Speak Out: Sept. 9 to Oct. 8, 2013

Monday, September 9, 2013

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  • New Speak Out starts today!

    -- Posted by Rachel Knight on Mon, Sep 9, 2013, at 9:20 AM
  • For us science nerds:

    My daughter sent this article to me which discusses a study published in Science magazine:

    "Transplanting intestinal bacteria from lean or obese humans can turn mice fat or thin, and diet may transform that phenotype, researchers found.

    In a series of studies using fecal material from pairs of obese and lean twins, mice given bacteria from the heavier twin gained more weight and packed on more adipose tissue than mice given bacteria from the thin twin (P≤0.01), Jeffrey Gordon, MD, of Washington University in St. Louis, and colleagues reported in Science.

    There was also evidence of bacterial sharing when these mice were housed together, and the lean mice appeared to confer protective benefits to their obese counterparts. That effect was facilitated by a healthy, low-saturated-fat, high-fiber diet, but was stymied by an unhealthy one full of saturated fats and short on fiber, Gordon and colleagues reported.

    "We now have a way of identifying such interactions, dependent on diet, and thinking about what features of our unhealthy diets we could transform in ways that would encourage bacteria to establish themselves in our guts, and do the jobs needed to improve our well-being," Gordon said in a statement.

    Much research has focused on the effects of the intestinal microbiome and its effects on human obesity. Recent findings from the MetaHIT project in Europe have shown that these 'gut bugs' have a great impact on metabolic health.

    For instance, Danish patients with less diversity of intestinal bacteria were found to have more metabolic dysfunction than those with a more robust portfolio. Another study reported at the same time found that healthier diets improved the number and types of intestinal bacteria.

    For their study, Gordon and colleagues took fecal material from pairs of adult female twins -- one who was obese, the other lean -- and transplanted it into mice that were bred to have no intestinal bacteria at all. All of these mice were given a standard diet that was low in fat and high in plant polysaccharides.

    The researchers found that mice given bacteria from the heavier twin gained more weight and accumulated more adipose tissue than those who received intestinal bacteria from the leaner twin (P≤0.01).

    "This wasn't attributable to differences in the amount of food they consumed, so there was something in the microbiota that was able to transmit this trait," Gordon said in the statement. "Our question became: What were the components responsible?"

    So they placed the mice together, an easy way of sharing intestinal bacteria because mice engage in coprophagia, the consumption of feces.

    After living together for 10 days, the researchers found the obese mice had adopted features of their leaner cage mates, packing on less adiposity than obese animals not housed with lean mice (P≤0.05). At the same time, exposure to the obese mice didn't make the lean animals fat.

    Specifically, the obese mice gained bacteria in the genus Bacteroides, which has been associated with less obesity in previous work.

    To assess whether a change in diet would have an impact on these effects, Gordon and colleagues put the mice on two different diets: a healthy one that was low in saturated fats and high in fiber, and another that was the opposite -- high in saturated fat and low in fiber.

    They found that among animals on the healthier diet, lean mice were still able to confer metabolic benefits to their obese counterparts, via an invasion of Bacteroides. But the high-fat, low-fiber diet stymied that benefit, and obese animals housed with lean ones gained no benefits, they reported.

    "Remarkably, there was a lack of significant invasion of members of the lean microbiota into the guts of obese cage mates," the researchers wrote. "Together, these results emphasize the strong microbiota-by-diet interactions that underlie invasion, and illustrate how a diet high in saturated fats and low in fruits and vegetables can select against human gut bacterial taxa associated with leanness."

    Gordon and colleagues concluded that their findings suggest complex interactions between diet, body mass, and gut microbiota underlie metabolic dysfunction, and that their model will be useful for future studies looking at the effects of specific dietary components on intestinal bacteria and subsequent phenotypes.

    "In the future, the nutritional value and the effects of food will involve significant consideration of our microbiota," Gordon said, "and developing healthy, nutritious foods will be done from the inside-out, not just the outside-in."

    -- Posted by Slater on Mon, Sep 9, 2013, at 7:11 PM
  • By the way, sorry for the space consumption. The article came from a members-only site, so I pasted it here the way I received it.

    -- Posted by Slater on Mon, Sep 9, 2013, at 7:18 PM
  • Great to see old friends, Slater, Eric popping by.

    Slater hope you saw the article on Preservation efforts/plans for Masonic Hall. Of special interest, the focus on the Bloesser home at Malta Bend.

    Howdies to all,

    -- Posted by upsedaisy on Mon, Sep 9, 2013, at 10:12 PM
  • Hi Upsedaisy,

    Great to see you again! I was just thinking about you a day or two ago.

    No, I haven't seen the article you mentioned. If I have any points left, I'll see if I can locate it. You know, for the life of me, I have yet to figure out this 7-Click rule. That is to say, I'm always expiring my limit and I don't even get off this page except to satisfy my morbid curiosity of who's in the obituaries.

    Speaking of articles, today I saw in the St. Louis paper an article about a disabled woman who wants to take the Law Scholastic Achievement Test (I think that's it - LSAT commonly), but when she asked for certain accommodations, she was denied part of what she'd requested. Now she's filed a suit against the people who administer the exam.

    Being a disabled person, I sometimes look at these stories to see what other people are experiencing, and over time I've concluded that the old school-yard taunt, It Takes One toKnow One!, is pretty accurate. Non-disabled people have no basis for understanding, and many of that group simply don't want to be bothered.

    Human nature at work, I suppose.

    I trust you've had no more encounters with a Praying Mantis. :)

    -- Posted by Slater on Tue, Sep 10, 2013, at 12:15 AM
  • I hope that all are having a safe and wonderful summer.

    Looks like a good harvest this year; that's good. Our farmers took it on the chin last year, and they are due!

    -- Posted by Interested Too on Tue, Sep 10, 2013, at 11:35 AM
  • Some time ago I bought an exercise bike at the annual church yard sale, and I've since worn it out, although, being ancient to begin with, it lasted just 1200 miles.

    Now, I want to replace it and appreciate suggestions and experiences from anyone so inclined to share your thoughts. A comprehensive display panel is of secondary importance since my vision is too poor to read that stuff.

    Thanks for your interest! :)

    -- Posted by Slater on Tue, Sep 10, 2013, at 4:23 PM
  • Slater--I think of you often. The broken flower pot from my dance w/Mantis is in use. Son-in-law has promised to help w/transplant for several years now...

    Overnighted recently in ER, shocked at the treatment of a woman w/advanced dementia. Whole lot of bullying from staff to her own daughter who was not present but made her presence known by screaming at her Mother so loud I could hear every word in my curtained cubicle outside in the hallway. Physical infirmities are easier to bear than to have our minds disappear.

    -- Posted by upsedaisy on Tue, Sep 10, 2013, at 8:59 PM
  • -- Posted by World Traveler on Wed, Sep 11, 2013, at 10:19 AM
  • Upsedaisy, I'm glad your hospital stay was brief and hope all is on par again. I chuckled over the mantis incident, but at the same time, that could've resulted in some seriousness. At any rate, I won't bring it up again, since it seems to raise side effects.

    I would hope the story you mentioned about the dementia patient isn't commonplace, but cases like that make me wonder. My oldest sister is plagued by the condition, and I worry about her treatment.

    I almost think that anyone in our society not physically or mentally fit by average standards is thought to be a throw away. It was tradition for families to care for their own, with minimal outside assistance, but as that pattern began changing in the early 20th century we saw the foundation of what we have today, where so many children are sometimes almost eager to be shed of their parents or grandparents. Maybe an example of the social isolation that appears to be gaining control over individual interaction.

    -- Posted by Slater on Wed, Sep 11, 2013, at 11:38 AM
  • Sorry to hear about your mother, News. It's a dreaded diagnosis that presently leaves few options for everyone concerned. Yes, the sad part is that inevitably the time comes when most families can no longer properly care for the sufferer.

    I mentioned treatment in terms of the daily maintenance involved where, ideally, the caregivers possess the kind of disposition needed to deal with the frustration.

    If anyone were to approach me offering a "bonafide" treatment for my sister, I'd offer to trade a parcel of land with a scenic view on the sunny side of Superstition Mountain.

    -- Posted by Slater on Wed, Sep 11, 2013, at 10:49 PM
  • News, I believe I've seen your remarks that you're not especially the praying kind, but that won't keep me from saying a prayer for your mother. :)

    -- Posted by Slater on Thu, Sep 12, 2013, at 12:25 AM
  • Smart Dog, did you happen to watch any of the discussion series about the brain that Charlie Rose hosted on his PBS program a few years ago? One of his guests reported that his research into the cause(s) of autism uncovered a brain anomaly that he believed could prove to be linked to the condition.

    In my opinion, this conversation about vaccines potentially contributing to (not CAUSING) the development of the condition is comparable to reading the list of potential side effects occurring from the use of a medication - a risk is always present, however slight. As you pointed out, the cumulative effect of refusing to have a child vaccinated is of greater concern to the population as a whole.

    I'm guessing the level of statistical significance cited in the studies supporting the correlation is so weak as to be insignificant.

    I knew where that article was headed when I saw the statement about the "exponential" increase and the continued reference to "multiple" studies.

    Thanks for those links. :)

    -- Posted by Slater on Fri, Sep 13, 2013, at 1:03 PM
  • It is awesome to see this blog coming back into its own again. Some really good stuff; interesting topics, expressions of warmth to other commenters, camaraderie, almost an absence of politics.

    Slater you have had a large part in this revival. thanks for coming back.

    Now, I'll just shut up, sit down, and look forward to reading what the next person says.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Sep 13, 2013, at 4:17 PM
  • News, consider the source and enjoy the day. He's admitted that he has no social skills.

    -- Posted by Slater on Fri, Sep 13, 2013, at 7:08 PM
  • OKR, the only thing I'm guilty of is sticking my nose in where it didn't belong. Nothing more can be attributed to me.

    -- Posted by Slater on Fri, Sep 13, 2013, at 8:42 PM
  • You are too modest Slater. You are guilty only of caring which is usually, but not always, an offense without penalty. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Sep 13, 2013, at 10:56 PM
  • Battle of Marshall reenactment and lots of activities at Indian Foothills Park today. There's lots to look at and experience, so come on out! It was so neat to see all those cavalry horses standing in a shaded valley there last night.

    -- Posted by former editor on Sat, Sep 14, 2013, at 8:32 AM
  • Two or three things before the mood wanes:

    First off, News, I do appreciate your enthusiasm, but I'm an outsider, and the natives generally view outsiders with a degree of hostility, so, no, I don't fancy myself as being popular, nor is that my goal. However, I do my best to act in a civil manner toward everyone and offer a level of respect befitting the entitlement. :)

    As to OKR's standing, and there again I'm the outsider looking in, I can only say that his prior remarks with respect to the quality of casual posts in this forum surely may have tarnished that image to some extent. :)

    Secondly, OKR, your remark about caring being an offense without punishment is a curious one. Who said it, and in what context was it made?

    The last thing is this - It's too easy to resort to pettiness when that same manner of expression is directed at you, so, for my own juvenile reaction in those instances, I offer my sincere apology.

    -- Posted by Slater on Sat, Sep 14, 2013, at 12:34 PM
  • One thing that provides interest in the Missouri version of the Civil War is how it divided families, communities, church congregations, etc. Obviously you don't find as much of that in more Northern or more Southern states. To illustrate the point, remember the story (repeated by Carlos Restrepos) about Marshall area citizen Mike Mitchell who calmly retrieved his cow from the middle of the 1863 battlefield. Local historian Marvin Wilhite said: "Most likely, 80 to 90 percent of those fighting in the battle knew each other. Many soldiers, on both sides, probably knew Mike, which is why they stopped for him." Retrieving a cow is part of the reenactment.

    Although Missouri by legislative vote preferred to remain neutral, outsiders like Nathaniel Lyon are credited with actions that pushed the state toward succession. He was the first Union general to take the offensive - and many Missourians took offense. In 1861 Lyon was in charge of Union soldiers who shot into a crowd of protesters in St. Louis, killing 28 people including women and children. Before that while serving in California, Lyon participated in massacres of Native Americans including women and children. He was an officer who directed that killing, and in California in the 1850's slavery was legal - if the slaves were Native American. Lyon was no Mr. Nice Guy. He is an example of people on both sides of the Civil War who used the conflict as an excuse to be cruel.

    The hard part of understanding the war in this state is in trying to understand how people's views differed so much when human nature has remained much the same.

    -- Posted by former editor on Sat, Sep 14, 2013, at 8:39 PM
  • As I said Slater, I am done with this discussion.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Sep 15, 2013, at 12:07 AM
  • Too bad. I was interested in seeing how you'd explain the contradiction of your statement.

    -- Posted by Slater on Sun, Sep 15, 2013, at 12:40 PM
  • That was an interesting comment FE; thanks for bringing the era back to us in the manner you chose. :)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Sep 15, 2013, at 2:54 PM
  • Last things first, DO - just like opinions about global warming, some people have them, some don't.

    Thanks for your concern, but no, I'm not having sleepless nights over OKR's decision to skip an explanation, although he presented an intriguing proposition.

    DO, have you thought much about online anonymity and the resulting disinhibition effect some researchers believe it creates?

    -- Posted by Slater on Tue, Sep 17, 2013, at 12:11 AM
  • I heard that the Marshall School District is planning to petition the court and ask a judge to order a tax levy to build a new school on their newly purchased property since they have been unable to convince voters to pass it. Does anyone know if this is true? Wouldn't that be incredibly unconstitutional? Taxation without representation and all that?

    -- Posted by OMG! on Tue, Sep 17, 2013, at 7:05 PM
  • OMG - that rumor is so laughable because it's ridiculous. You need to find someone else to tell you rumors, and you need to be less gullible. Of course it's not true. That wouldn't be legal.

    -- Posted by cmasretire on Tue, Sep 17, 2013, at 8:31 PM
  • Jenny McCarthy, one of the loudest opponents of vaccinations is famous for that loudness and just one other thing: taking her clothes off for Playboy. She claims to have received her medical "education" at "the University of Google." This is someone that anyone could reasonably cite as a source for information on vaccinations and links to autism and other afflictions? What planet are you ON? How can anyone believe anything she says? Her main source appears to be Andrew Wakefield, who himself is most famous for authoring a deeply flawed "study" of vaccinations and autism that involved fewer than 20 cases and which has been thoroughly discredited. If a parent doesn't want to have their child vaccinated, then they shouldn't be allowed to send that child to any school. If they are so afraid to have their children protected and to protect other children in the process, then keep them home and away from the rest of vulnerable population. I fully realize that's a Draconian solution, but allowing unvaccinated children to come into close contact with children who may have younger siblings at home verges, for me, on criminal behavior.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Tue, Sep 17, 2013, at 11:08 PM
  • Has a school bond issue already been passed? I see where there is a sign at the corner of Lincoln & Watermill Rd. stating that that corner is the site for a new elementary school.

    -- Posted by wizzer on Wed, Sep 18, 2013, at 3:10 PM
  • Well said Kathy, we are not a third world country. Look at their populations.

    -- Posted by Pasta on Wed, Sep 18, 2013, at 4:17 PM
  • -- Posted by OMG! on Wed, Sep 18, 2013, at 6:22 PM
  • DO, I can't disagree with your thought about the unhealthy state of our society, but I can disagree with your statement that the U.S. spends more on health care than anyone else. Actually, the U.S. comes in second behind Switzerland.

    Discussing the potential side effects of vaccines is like your idea of small talk, you know, like someone complaining to you how their flu shot gave them the flu.

    However, I don't have much faith in the members of the Ringling Brothers Clown College, North Campus, taking the bull by the horns and doing what's right to improve the health of Americans. Jay Rockefeller once said that he believed the committee members assigned to create the new healthcare legislation weren't smart enough to get a proper job done. I believe his words were just an excuse for tkaing the easy way out. I believe it would've happened if they'd honestly wanted to do it.

    Something is drastically wrong with the philosophy of a healthcare system that spends over $8800 per person yet ranks 46th in terms of efficient and effective delivery.

    -- Posted by Slater on Thu, Sep 19, 2013, at 2:36 AM
  • DO: Perhaps you don't understand the nature of a statement of opinion. I'm not going to engage in a debate with you or anyone else on the subject of vaccination. I've spent plenty of time doing appropriate research on the subject and am firmly convinced that what I wrote is a statement of the facts as I know them to be, along with a clear statement of why I believe them to be true.

    I believe that your statements, on the other hand, consist of half-truths, misdirection, very poor citations and a host of other "debate" strategies typical of the wild-eyed, anti-vaccination contingent in general.

    I'm not interested in listening to more of the same or engaging in further discussions with you at any point in the future. You won't change your opinion and neither will I, rendering additional postings meaningless.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Thu, Sep 19, 2013, at 6:39 AM
  • Really? No one is going to address this comment?

    "Slater, KF, why do you think 'we' as a nation, that spends more on health than anyone else in the world, are one of the sickest, unhealthiest countries in the world?"

    Which world are we referring to here? It isn't this one...

    But hey, lets just give it to them. Let's go back to the days where vaccinations weren't required. Back when life expectancy was about 50 and people got polio and stuff. Polio was sweet.

    -- Posted by thebirdman on Thu, Sep 19, 2013, at 11:27 AM
  • More, higher quality options for seniors in Medicare Advantage

    More beneficiaries are choosing higher quality Medicare Advantage (MA) plans, and for the fourth straight year enrollment is projected to increase, Health and Human Services (HHS) Secretary Kathleen Sebelius announced today.

    The average MA premium in 2014 is projected to increase by only $1.64 from last year, coming to $32.60. Access to the MA program will remain strong, with 99.1 percent of beneficiaries having access to a plan. The average number of plan choices will remain about the same in 2014 and access to supplemental benefits remains stable. Since passage of the Affordable Care Act, average MA premiums are down by 9.8 percent.


    -- Posted by CWilli on Thu, Sep 19, 2013, at 3:40 PM
  • CWilli, I'm thinnking that $32.60 figure has a different meaning than what's implied. I have a Medicare Advantage plan, and it costs a lot more than $32.60.

    -- Posted by Slater on Thu, Sep 19, 2013, at 4:30 PM
  • Ha! Birdman, that genie is on an extended vacation, but if I were inclined to take the old reductionist approach, I might speculate that good ol' greed could be at the bottom of it.

    -- Posted by Slater on Thu, Sep 19, 2013, at 4:43 PM
  • Not to get in the middle of the current discussion, but the Carson & Barnes Circus came to Marshall recently. I would like to share this link to educate the people that support that circus. Makes my stomach turn...


    -- Posted by OldOwl_90 on Fri, Sep 20, 2013, at 6:33 PM
  • I wouldn't support that circus ever after seeing that.

    -- Posted by Pasta on Fri, Sep 20, 2013, at 8:20 PM
  • Smart Dog, news across: I highly recommend "The Panic Virus," by Seth Mnookin, if you haven't already read it.

    Quoting from the publisher:

    "The fierce wars over vaccines and autism won't end because of one book, but The Panic Virus is at least a first step in making the debates more civil. Seth Mnookin, the author of this book, knows that vaccines are a volatile issue. Everyone who remembers the polio epidemic or who knows a parent raising an autistic child will recognize the seriousness of what gets into our children's body. Mnookin discusses this complicated issue in detail, not ignoring either the epidemics of past eras or early vaccine mishaps. Nor does he limit his exposition to scientific reports: He devotes full chapters to vaccine critics David Kirby (Evidence of Harm) and Jenny McCarthy (Louder Than Words). This is a significant milestone in a debate too important to simply end."

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Sat, Sep 21, 2013, at 9:10 AM
  • I've heard both sides of the issue also. I believe vaccines are truly great but me and my spouse never allowed our children to be given mmr at the same time as any other vaccinations. It required separate trips to Dr and extra co-pays but we truly believed all the vaccinations given at one time was dangerous and unnecessary.

    -- Posted by moodyblue on Sun, Sep 22, 2013, at 5:49 PM
  • News Across, I think the truth and your keyboard are at divergent angles

    -- Posted by moodyblue on Sun, Sep 22, 2013, at 10:05 PM
  • News Across,

    Let me make it clear. You mate are a liar. The system in Australia is known as medicare. It consists of private and government insurance.

    Australian health care has been described as slow, reactive and inefficient.

    Every day people in Australia are referred to private surgeons. Problem is they don't have private insurance.

    In the U.S. citizens are able to access the same physicians and surgeons regardless if on medicare or private insurance. Not the same in Australia where the private system is faster and considered to be better health care in Australia.

    Australian health care is described as a two tier health system. As you know that exists when the government provides basic medical necessities while a secondary tier of care exists for those that can purchase additional health care services or receive better quality and faster access.

    News I don't know how long you have been gone from the Marshall area but let me remind you that everyone here sees the same doctors, surgeons and dentists regardless of the type of insurance we have.

    I consider Australia a great country and a friend to the U.S. not because of you but due to the vast conservative population of Australia

    -- Posted by moodyblue on Mon, Sep 23, 2013, at 12:52 AM
  • MoodyBlue is News a liar, or more on point does he have a different perspective than you? Calling someone a liar is an accusation best backed with facts explaining why. Your opinion is not a fact. You presented no facts. So, all you have done is hurl an unsupported insult.

    Is that the image of yourself that you wish to present here? :)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Sep 23, 2013, at 1:49 AM
  • I come from a place where a lie is called as a lie

    "Here when you go see a doctor money is not discussed. There is no bill. There is no need for insurance, premiums, or co-pays. Cost is not an issue for the patient in a socialized system"

    Second post is a little more truthful.

    I find your own comment interesting:

    "A person can opt to use private insurance and many rich folks do. Mostly for the elective surgery such will cover.

    Socialized medicine is only for necessary medical diagnosis/prognosis and surgery".

    Why would anyone elect to pay more if your healthcare is so good? Maybe because some of those "elective surgeries" are more necessary then elective and the gap between what medicare (Australian) pays and what the surgery costs is probably a good sum of money.

    Who decides what tests you get to diagnose your health problems and who decides what surgeries are necessary? It certainly isn't the patient is it? It sounds like the medical choices are made by others (bean counters) in the name of the patient.

    My post was in reference to vaccinations and News took that and ran with it to spout half truths in support of socialized medicine. A half truth is still a lie.

    Really it's a little confusing. Is this a local blog or a sounding board for socialism?

    -- Posted by moodyblue on Mon, Sep 23, 2013, at 11:42 AM
  • News,

    DO by any other disguise is still DO, ya think?

    -- Posted by Slater on Mon, Sep 23, 2013, at 7:43 PM
  • -- Posted by CWilli on Mon, Sep 23, 2013, at 8:20 PM
  • Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.

    Winston Churchill

    A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.

    Winston Churchill

    -- Posted by moodyblue on Mon, Sep 23, 2013, at 10:39 PM
  • How do you tell a communist? Well, it's someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It's someone who understands Marx and Lenin.

    Ronald Reagan

    -- Posted by moodyblue on Mon, Sep 23, 2013, at 10:59 PM
  • "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.

    Winston Churchill " -posted by moodyblue

    Yep he said that. It is that attitude that provoked the British people to kick him to the curb at the end of war in 1945. They left his Conservative rump party in favor of the Labour Party which favored socialist universal health care, and Keynesian economic policy.

    Great men in one area of endeavor may fail in another as did Churchill. Mindful people quote the greats regarding the areas they succeeded. They do not quote them in areas wherein they didn't pass muster. LOL

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Sep 23, 2013, at 11:18 PM
  • Hey guys lets take all this over to the Politics blog. This thread didn't start as pure politics, but it did evolve to that which sometimes happens.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Sep 23, 2013, at 11:22 PM
  • Point taken News. :)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Sep 23, 2013, at 11:50 PM
  • Fire and Ice

    by Robert Frost

    Some say the world will end in fire,

    Some say in ice.

    From what I've tasted of desire

    I hold with those who favor fire.

    But if it had to perish twice,

    I think I know enough of hate

    To know that for destruction ice

    Is also great

    And would suffice.

    -- Posted by moodyblue on Tue, Sep 24, 2013, at 8:01 AM
  • Good Morning Marshall,

    I hope everyone has a great day.

    Go Owls!

    -- Posted by moodyblue on Tue, Sep 24, 2013, at 8:02 AM
  • By the Numbers: Uninsured Missourians who are eligible for coverage through the Marketplace.

    * 799,255 (16%) are uninsured and eligible

    * 585,747 (73%) have a full-time worker in the family

    * 316,182 (40%) are 18-35 years old

    * 584,270 (73%) are White

    * 130,350 (16%) are African American

    * 42,746 (5%) are Latino/Hispanic

    * 12,946 (2%) are Asian American or Pacific Islander

    * 425,526 (53%) are male

    744,710 (93%) of Missouri's uninsured and eligible population may qualify for either tax credits to purchase coverage in the Marketplace or for Medicaid if Missouri takes advantage of the new opportunity to expand Medicaid coverage under the Affordable Care Act.

    Missouri has received $21,865,716 in grants for research, planning, information technology development, and implementation of its Health Insurance Marketplace

    more ... http://c.ymcdn.com/sites/mocities.site-ym.com/resource/resmgr/2013_AC_Handouts/A...

    -- Posted by CWilli on Tue, Sep 24, 2013, at 10:04 PM
  • AND. if you choose to take advantage of the new OBAMACARE fiasco, even with breaks and aid, you will be oin the hook for 100-200 dollars a month out of pocket. 1200-2400 yearly....or you can just pay the 200-300 once a year fine...

    -- Posted by Armour-of-God on Wed, Sep 25, 2013, at 11:19 AM
  • Yup, Armour, you could do that. You could also have a non-insured serious medical matter that costs thousands, or even tens of thousands, and dump the bill at my feet, and the rest of us taxpayers. I don't reckon the deserved cussin' you would get for doin' that would bother you anymore than it would any other welfare scammer. ;)

    You know hospital costs might even go down a little bit if we didn't have to pay for the freeloaders. I think that anyone who doesn't get with the program, and then winds up with a big old medical bill would have to pay that sucker off. Such debt forever non-dischargable by bankruptcy of course.

    I don't guess you would mind goin' along with all that, you bein' a responsible citizen. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Sep 25, 2013, at 4:06 PM
  • The ant worked hard all summer collecting food and preparing his home for winter. The grasshopper played all summer not doing any work.

    When winter came the grasshopper had no food. No worries, the grasshopper elected a socialist leader that took away 40 percent of the ants food and gave it to the grasshopper.

    The next year the ant decided that the new government would take care of him the same way so he played all summer too, as did all the other hard working producing ants.

    When winter came, there was no food and they all starved to death.

    -- Posted by moodyblue on Thu, Sep 26, 2013, at 3:54 AM
  • socialism

    A sincere sentimental beneficent theory which has but one objection and that is it will not work

    An earnest effort to get Nature to change the rules for the benefit of those who are tired of the Game

    A social and economic scheme of government by which man shall loiter rather than labor

    A device for swimming without going near the H 2 O

    Participation in profits without responsibility as to deficits

    An arrangement for destroying initiative invention creation and originality

    Resolutions passed by a committee as a substitute for work

    A system for turning water into wine kerosene into oyster-soup and boulders into bread by passing resolutions

    ^ Unknown

    -- Posted by moodyblue on Thu, Sep 26, 2013, at 4:22 AM
  • Autumn

    Julie L. O'Connor

    There's a crispness in the air that greets the morning sun, a feeling of anticipation, a new day has begun.

    Harvest days are ending, winter is drawing near, yet in between is surely the most special time of year.

    They call it Indian Summer, and it seems to fit the bill, for it's as if the Lord took a feathered brush and painted all the hills.

    Now as I sit contented, atop of one of these, a book in hand to pass the time, the sound of a gentle breeze,

    I can almost imagine an Indian child upon this mountaintop, looking down at the land of her forefathers, lost within her thoughts

    For in every persons lifetime some heartache may occur, but on these hills in quiet solitude, God helps us to endure.

    So I say that the eyes are a window, beauty is found within the soul, and upon the hills of Autumn, that are strewn with red and gold.

    -- Posted by moodyblue on Thu, Sep 26, 2013, at 4:34 AM
  • Americans gave a total of nearly $347 billion to charity in 2011. One thousand millions equals 1 billion. That is 347,000 million dollars. In 2011 347,000 million dollars would rate 30th of 194 nations in the world for total Gross Domestic Product (the market value of ALL final goods and services from a nation) Lets put oh lets say Cuba's GDP out there at 68,715 millions. Just a slight difference.

    We as a nation GIVE AWAY more money then the entire GDP of 164 nations in the world.

    Just to make it clear the GDP of the U.S. in 2011 was 14,991,300. The next nation was China at 7,203,784.

    God Bless the U.S.A.

    -- Posted by moodyblue on Thu, Sep 26, 2013, at 2:26 PM
  • O say can you see by the dawn's early light,

    What so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming,

    Whose broad stripes and bright stars through the perilous fight,

    O'er the ramparts we watched, were so gallantly streaming?

    And the rockets' red glare, the bombs bursting in air,

    Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there;

    O say does that star-spangled banner yet wave,

    O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?

    -- Posted by moodyblue on Thu, Sep 26, 2013, at 4:48 PM
  • "It is not my intention to do away with government. It is rather to make it work -- work with us, not over us; stand by our side, not ride on our back. Government can and must provide opportunity, not smother it; foster productivity, not stifle it."

    - Ronald Reagan, First Inaugural Address, January 20, 1981

    -- Posted by moodyblue on Thu, Sep 26, 2013, at 4:49 PM
  • John was in the fertilized egg business. He had several hundred young layers (hens), called "pullets," and ten roosters to fertilize the eggs.

    He kept records, and any rooster not performing went into the soup pot and was replaced.

    This took a lot of time. To make things easier, he bought some tiny bells and attached them to his roosters.

    Each bell had a different tone, so he could tell from a distance, which rooster was performing.

    Now, he could sit on the porch and fill out an efficiency report by just listening to the bells.

    John's favorite rooster, old Butch, was a very fine specimen. But this morning he noticed old Butch's bell hadn't rung at all.

    Concerned, he went to investigate. John saw the other roosters were busy chasing pullets, bells-a-ringing, but the pullets, hearing the roosters coming, had sufficent warning, and had time to run for cover.

    To John's amazement, old Butch had his bell in his beak, so it couldn't ring. Old Butch was able to sneak up on a pullet, do his job and walk on to the next one, without any warning.

    John was so proud of old Butch, he decided to enter him in the Renfrew County Fair. He quickly became an overnight sensation among the judges.

    The judges loved Old Butch so much they awarded old Butch "the No Bell Piece Prize" and also awarded him the "Pulletsurprise."

    Clearly old Butch was a politician in the making. Who else but a politician could figure out how to win two of the most highly coveted awards on our planet by being the best at sneaking up on the populace and screwing them when they weren't paying attention?

    Vote carefully every election, the bells are not always audible.

    Thanks Chappy!

    -- Posted by OMG! on Thu, Sep 26, 2013, at 4:51 PM
  • Q: Have you heard about McDonald's' new Obama Value Meal?

    A: Order anything you like and the guy behind you has to pay for it. (Conan O'Brian)

    -- Posted by OMG! on Thu, Sep 26, 2013, at 5:17 PM
  • Q: What does Barack Obama call lunch with a convicted felon?

    A: A fund raiser. Leno

    Q: What's the difference between Obama's cabinet and a penitentiary?

    A: One is filled with tax evaders, blackmailers and threats to

    society. The other is for housing prisoners. Letterman

    -- Posted by OMG! on Thu, Sep 26, 2013, at 5:18 PM
  • If Nancy Pelosi and Obama were on a boat in the middle of the

    ocean and it started to sink, who would be saved?

    A: America! Fallon

    -- Posted by OMG! on Thu, Sep 26, 2013, at 5:19 PM
  • Q: Did you hear about a late night comedian that was relevant?

    A: No

    -- Posted by Interested Too on Thu, Sep 26, 2013, at 8:09 PM
  • What did Socialists use before they had candles?

    Answer: electricity.

    -- Posted by OMG! on Thu, Sep 26, 2013, at 8:56 PM
  • There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, has orcs.

    -- Posted by OMG! on Thu, Sep 26, 2013, at 8:58 PM
  • What do you call a journalist with half a brain?


    -- Posted by OMG! on Thu, Sep 26, 2013, at 9:01 PM
  • We have roughly 700,000 Police officers in the US who create a fine blue line between peace and chaos for hundreds of millions of US citizens.

    * 200 of these officers are killed in the line of duty each year, a number that is rising.

    * Another 250 officers were shot but saved by ballistics (bullet proof) vests.

    * 200,000 police officers are criminally assaulted each year.

    * 15,000 of these officers require hospitalization each year.

    * 300 police officers commit suicide each year as a direct result of the job.

    -- Posted by moodyblue on Fri, Sep 27, 2013, at 4:15 AM
  • Honor to the Soldier, and Sailor everywhere, who bravely bears his country's cause. Honor also to the citizen who cares for his brother in the field, and serves, as he best can, the same cause -- honor to him, only less than to him, who braves, for the common good, the storms of heaven and the storms of battle.

    --December 2, 1863 Abraham Lincoln

    -- Posted by moodyblue on Fri, Sep 27, 2013, at 4:21 AM
  • As a citizen of Saline County I would like to thank all the Policeman, Sheriff's Deputies, Missouri State Highway Patrol and other law enforcement agencies that work to help better our community.

    I would also like to thank all the firemen, Emergency Medical Technicians and First Responders.

    All the fine men and women who voluntarily join our armed services to protect us from threats overseas make up the greatest military in the world.

    When bad things happen all these men and women jeopardize their safety to rush to where the trouble is.

    -- Posted by moodyblue on Fri, Sep 27, 2013, at 4:33 AM
  • The Unites States has many times been insulted, dejected and ground in the dirt of circumstances and decisions. But no matter what happens, WE STILL ARE AND WILL REMAIN THE GREATEST NATION IN THE WORLD

    Bitter and hateful people will never be able to change that.

    -- Posted by moodyblue on Fri, Sep 27, 2013, at 4:46 AM
  • Why did the cookie go to the hospital? Because he felt crummy.

    -- Posted by OMG! on Fri, Sep 27, 2013, at 5:08 AM
  • How did Darth Vader know what Luke got him for Christmas? He felt his presents.

    -- Posted by OMG! on Fri, Sep 27, 2013, at 5:10 AM
  • What do you call a pig who knows karate? A pork chop.

    -- Posted by OMG! on Fri, Sep 27, 2013, at 5:12 AM
  • How much do pirates pay for corn? A buccaneer.

    -- Posted by OMG! on Fri, Sep 27, 2013, at 5:14 AM
  • Why is six afraid of seven?

    Because seven ate nine.

    -- Posted by OMG! on Fri, Sep 27, 2013, at 4:19 PM
  • Why couldn't the kindergarten class watch a pirate movie on their field trip?

    It was rated ARGH.

    -- Posted by OMG! on Fri, Sep 27, 2013, at 4:21 PM
  • What do you call someone who never farts in public?

    A private tutor.

    -- Posted by OMG! on Fri, Sep 27, 2013, at 4:22 PM
  • moody - "greatest" is a superlative, generally in reference to an undifferentiated opinion. We are also the "greatest" incarcerator of our own citizens in the world, the "greatest" in inequality, worst healthcare, and a few other categories... so what do you mean by "greatest"?

    -- Posted by NDII on Sat, Sep 28, 2013, at 12:24 AM
  • Why did the man put his money in the freezer?

    He wanted cold hard cash.

    -- Posted by OMG! on Sat, Sep 28, 2013, at 7:38 AM
  • What do you get from a pampered cow?

    Spoiled milk.

    -- Posted by OMG! on Sat, Sep 28, 2013, at 7:40 AM
  • What did Geronimo say when he jumped out of the airplane?


    -- Posted by OMG! on Sat, Sep 28, 2013, at 7:41 AM
  • How do crazy people go through the forest?

    They take the psycho path.

    -- Posted by OMG! on Sat, Sep 28, 2013, at 4:35 PM
  • Where do polar bears vote?

    The north poll.

    -- Posted by OMG! on Sat, Sep 28, 2013, at 4:36 PM
  • What is brown and sticky?

    A stick.

    -- Posted by OMG! on Sat, Sep 28, 2013, at 4:37 PM
  • Does an apple a day keep the Doctor away? Yes if you aim it well enough.

    From "Jokes For 10 year Old Boys and Girls". Here is a link to the site which is chock full of more side splitters. http://www.birthday-party-magician.com/jokes-for-10-year-old.html

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Sep 28, 2013, at 8:36 PM
  • Why don't skeletons fight each other?

    They don't have the guts.

    -- Posted by OMG! on Sat, Sep 28, 2013, at 9:43 PM
  • What do you get when you cross a snowman with a vampire?


    -- Posted by OMG! on Sat, Sep 28, 2013, at 9:44 PM
  • How do you make a tissue dance?

    Put a little boogie in it.

    -- Posted by OMG! on Sat, Sep 28, 2013, at 9:45 PM
  • Is a PUN ... FUN ?

    -- Posted by former editor on Sun, Sep 29, 2013, at 9:30 PM
  • Perhaps just one. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Sep 30, 2013, at 12:06 AM
  • What did the doctor say to the patient when he finished operating?

    That's enough out of you.

    -- Posted by OMG! on Mon, Sep 30, 2013, at 5:46 AM
  • If an apple a day keeps the doctor away, what does garlic do?

    Keeps everyone away.

    -- Posted by OMG! on Mon, Sep 30, 2013, at 5:47 AM
  • What do you call a dog with no legs?

    It doesn't matter because he isn't going to come anyway.

    -- Posted by OMG! on Mon, Sep 30, 2013, at 5:48 AM
  • What did the fish say when it swam into the concrete wall?


    -- Posted by momaster on Mon, Sep 30, 2013, at 7:02 AM
  • I'm reading a book about anti-gravity. It's impossible to put down.

    -- Posted by Interested Too on Mon, Sep 30, 2013, at 8:14 AM
  • What did the tomato turn red?

    It saw the salad dressing.

    -- Posted by OMG! on Thu, Oct 3, 2013, at 7:20 AM
  • Where do bees stop to use the restroom?

    The BP station.

    -- Posted by OMG! on Thu, Oct 3, 2013, at 7:21 AM
  • What did the judge say when a skunk walked into the courtroom?

    Odor in the court.

    -- Posted by OMG! on Thu, Oct 3, 2013, at 7:22 AM
  • What did the water say to the boat?

    Nothing, it just waved.

    -- Posted by OMG! on Thu, Oct 3, 2013, at 5:12 PM
  • Why did the elephant eat the candle.

    He wanted a light snack.

    -- Posted by OMG! on Thu, Oct 3, 2013, at 5:14 PM
  • What did the ground say to the earthquake?

    You crack me up.

    -- Posted by OMG! on Thu, Oct 3, 2013, at 5:15 PM
  • Was there no news today? Really?

    -- Posted by momaster on Thu, Oct 3, 2013, at 6:07 PM
  • Really I think there more important things to worry about with this shutdown than national parks right now.

    The right wing media is trying to divert attention away from the people who really shut down the government, because those people are taking a big hit in the eyes of public opinion

    -- Posted by cheesehead on Fri, Oct 4, 2013, at 1:15 PM
  • We are expecting tornadoes here in Oklahoma tonight. In this reddest of states they are now dubbed Obamanadoes. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Oct 4, 2013, at 5:16 PM
  • What has 4 eyes but no face?


    -- Posted by OMG! on Fri, Oct 4, 2013, at 7:16 PM
  • What do you call a pony with a sore throat.

    A little horse.

    -- Posted by OMG! on Fri, Oct 4, 2013, at 7:17 PM
  • What is an astronaut's favorite place on the keyboard?

    The space bar.

    -- Posted by OMG! on Fri, Oct 4, 2013, at 7:19 PM
  • Why did the boy eat his homework?

    Hours teacher said it was a piece of cake.

    -- Posted by OMG! on Fri, Oct 4, 2013, at 9:05 PM
  • Why is basketball such a messy sport?

    Because you dribble all over the floor.

    -- Posted by OMG! on Fri, Oct 4, 2013, at 9:06 PM
  • What is the best day to go to the beach?

    Sunday of course.

    -- Posted by OMG! on Fri, Oct 4, 2013, at 9:08 PM
  • It is a good time to appreciate state parks, the ones in Missouri and other states as well. And remember that the Arrow Rock Craft Festival is coming up soon.

    This article in csmonitor points out that National Park Service is closing things, even private businesses paying into the government, that were not closed in the previous government shutdown.


    At least our Kansas City area and Missouri vets got to visit their war memorial last week.

    -- Posted by former editor on Sat, Oct 5, 2013, at 7:01 AM
  • What how can't be tied?

    A rainbow.

    -- Posted by OMG! on Sat, Oct 5, 2013, at 7:41 PM
  • Why did the jelly wobble?

    It saw the milk shake.

    -- Posted by OMG! on Sat, Oct 5, 2013, at 7:41 PM
  • What happens if you eat yeast and show polish?

    Every morning you will rise and shine.

    -- Posted by OMG! on Sat, Oct 5, 2013, at 7:42 PM
  • What did the porcupine say to the cactus?

    Is that you mommy?

    -- Posted by OMG! on Sat, Oct 5, 2013, at 10:23 PM
  • Why do seagulls fly over the sea?

    If they flew over the bay they would be bagels.

    -- Posted by OMG! on Sat, Oct 5, 2013, at 10:25 PM
  • Which dog keeps the best time?

    A watch dog.

    -- Posted by OMG! on Sat, Oct 5, 2013, at 10:26 PM
  • I couldn't quite remember how to throw a boomerang, but eventually it came back to me.

    -- Posted by Interested Too on Sun, Oct 6, 2013, at 11:17 AM
  • Did you hear that Obama caused the Nebraska tornadoes?

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Oct 6, 2013, at 1:07 PM
  • What has 4 legs but doesn't walk?

    A table.

    -- Posted by OMG! on Sun, Oct 6, 2013, at 2:10 PM
  • What season is best for jumping on a trampoline?

    Spring time.

    -- Posted by OMG! on Sun, Oct 6, 2013, at 2:11 PM
  • Where do cows go on holiday?

    Moo York.

    -- Posted by OMG! on Sun, Oct 6, 2013, at 2:12 PM
  • Why is g the scariest letter?

    Because it turns a host into a ghost.

    -- Posted by OMG! on Mon, Oct 7, 2013, at 5:18 AM
  • What do you get when you cross a cow and a duck?

    Milk and quackers.

    -- Posted by OMG! on Mon, Oct 7, 2013, at 5:20 AM
  • What did he grape do when it got stepped on?

    It let out a little wine.

    -- Posted by OMG! on Mon, Oct 7, 2013, at 5:21 AM
  • He said I was average - but he was just being mean.

    -- Posted by Interested Too on Mon, Oct 7, 2013, at 10:53 AM
  • Did you hear about the fire at the circus? The heat was in tents.

    -- Posted by Interested Too on Mon, Oct 7, 2013, at 10:54 AM
  • What is the difference between capitalism and socialism?

    In capitalism, man exploits man. In socialism, it's the other way around.

    -- Posted by Interested Too on Mon, Oct 7, 2013, at 9:26 PM
  • Smart Dog you and I see eye to eye on very little but you hit that one right on the head!

    -- Posted by Gal66 on Tue, Oct 8, 2013, at 7:38 AM
  • What do you call a man who rolls in the leaves?


    -- Posted by OMG! on Tue, Oct 8, 2013, at 12:23 PM
  • What has one head, one foot and four legs?

    A bed.

    -- Posted by OMG! on Tue, Oct 8, 2013, at 12:24 PM
  • Cosa:

    The jokes are far superior to some of the chat on the page, and I promise...I will not force you to read mine.

    By the way; Eric is gone and the new staff has priorities as well. They are all good people, and whether they live in Marshall or 30 minutes away should not matter. Some people in the larger cities commute 2 hours, or more, each way; it does not make them less effective.

    By the way...did you hear the one about...?

    -- Posted by Interested Too on Tue, Oct 8, 2013, at 2:56 PM
  • Apparently, the Democrat can't take a little criticism, now can it? Sad.

    -- Posted by hunterfisher on Tue, Oct 8, 2013, at 3:25 PM
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