Speak Out [April 1 to June 30, 2013]

Monday, April 1, 2013

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  • Curious if anyone knows what time the Fitzgibbon Spring Fling begins on Friday, April 5th. Their website is still not updated.

    -- Posted by mizufan12 on Mon, Apr 1, 2013, at 10:01 AM
  • mizufan12 -

    I think that event is scheduled to begin at 5:30 p.m.


    -- Posted by gentle ben on Mon, Apr 1, 2013, at 1:37 PM
  • Spring Fling Schedule

    *5:30 p.m. Cocktails/Silent Auction

    *7 p.m. Dinner

    *8 p.m. Physician Recognition & 90th Birthday Celebration Toast

    *8:15 p.m. Live Auction

    *9-11 p.m. Dance

    -- Posted by pitbull on Tue, Apr 2, 2013, at 8:53 AM
  • Was wondering when the city is having their city wide clean up

    -- Posted by loisjean on Tue, Apr 2, 2013, at 9:00 AM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    From Carlos' city council story last night: "City-wide clean up will begin the week of Monday, April 8. The clean up will occur during the regular trash-pickup days."
  • A change of pace. Does anyone in Marshall have Uverse Internet service? If so, what's your experience with it? Good, bad? Recommend? Just looking for Uverse Internet reviews, not their tv service. Thanks.

    -- Posted by hunterfisher on Thu, Apr 4, 2013, at 11:52 PM
  • Has anyone noticed the not only god-awful ugly but highly dangerous barrier that has been erected in the Marshall Lodge / Bloomfields parking lot.

    Obviously, it's a physical manifestation of a hissy-fit about restuarant customers parking on the motel side of the lot. With a single armco rail about 4 feet off the ground it's only a matter of time before it takes off someone's head because you can't see it at night and folks aren't used to it being there. It has no reflectors or anything. Has anyone seen it and can anyone tell me if it violates every code in the book?

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, Apr 5, 2013, at 10:27 PM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    I wondered about that, too. We'll inquire ...
  • We saw that too and it certainly is ugly.

    -- Posted by litlmissme on Sat, Apr 6, 2013, at 9:15 PM
  • That barrier just screams that they don't care about people with disabilities or their restaurant crowd.

    The east side is where we would park for the restaurant with our folks as the other parking spots are generally filled and it was safer to walk on the sidewalk.

    We won't go back now.

    -- Posted by Interested Too on Sun, Apr 7, 2013, at 8:00 AM
  • Any info on when City Wide Clean Up is in Marshall??

    -- Posted by Scarpetta on Sun, Apr 7, 2013, at 9:55 AM
  • Sorry, just decided to read down further. April 8th it starts...sorry for not looking before posting.

    -- Posted by Scarpetta on Sun, Apr 7, 2013, at 9:56 AM
  • In my opinion the Motel should welcome restaurant customers parking on thier side.Then it might actaully look like that had some business.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Sun, Apr 7, 2013, at 5:19 PM
  • DO,

    Chrisitans are not labelled as hate groups or extremists by any significantly larger percentage now than in the past.

    In this age of instant messaging and unlimited access to the internet, there appears to be an aggressive campaign against Christians. If you look at things logically, you'll see that it is just about the same percentage as in years past. The difference is; people are a bit more outspoken about it now. In the past, people feared backlash from their 'religious' brethren in the form of lost employment or shunning (which still happens in some Christian communities).

    Also, it seems that the religious folk are a bit more thin skinned and more likely to take umbridge these days.

    That happens when your core values are threatened, but Christians need to see that other peoples' core values are threatened as well; when overzealous people try to make others live as they dictate.

    In addition, folks are more willing to talk these days about examples such as the Catholic bishops, etc, that have preyed on those weaker than themselves.

    All this together may outshine the good that Christian charities do, but unfortunately; bad press trumps good press. Do you think that the Red Cross will ever, truly, escape the bad press that it incurred while skimming money off the top and overpaying their CEO's? I don't think so. People look at things a lot more closely now, and that can be a good thing. It can also be bad when deliberate misinformation can be planted anywhere, by anyone; then read by a few thousand people and repackaged in a different form.

    I would say to those Christians who feel wronged; just walk the walk, quit worrying about what others think. Live a good life, do what is right, and you won't have too much to worry about. Take on the Muslims, agnotics, Mormons, Catholics, Hindis and all, then you'll find you have a fight on your hands.

    It's your call, but don't be surprised to find resistance; it isn't always because people are anti-Christian. It may just be that people are anti-smugness and not happy with those who claim superiority over a set of unilateral beliefs.

    -- Posted by Interested Too on Mon, Apr 8, 2013, at 2:58 PM
  • This all seems like it should be on the politics page ... not here. Then again - I guess those who want more exposure for their views would choose this section over the others.


    -- Posted by gentle ben on Tue, Apr 9, 2013, at 9:09 AM
  • OK DO,

    I read your site. Evangelical Christians ARE extremists, there is no doubt.

    That does not necessarily make them evil or hated as far as I am concerned, but they are a problem when they try to take the law into their own hands. Perhaps a few of them are on a terrorist watch list. It won't be because they are religious, it is because they are extreme.

    You actually made my point. An article written is now on the net and others take it as an overwhelming indictment against their own viewpoint and start screaming about oppression, etc.

    Thanks for making my point, even though I got there without first reading your article.

    -- Posted by Interested Too on Tue, Apr 9, 2013, at 9:17 AM
  • gb,

    You are correct, I'll send further responses to this topic over there.

    The politics page is not an absolute, as far as I know, but it does keep things in a coherent (if that term can be used in this case) mass.

    -- Posted by Interested Too on Tue, Apr 9, 2013, at 10:59 AM
  • I would like to for everyone to express how nice and compassionate news across is.

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Apr 10, 2013, at 12:43 PM
  • FYI: Carlos checked with Mike Morgan, Marshall code enforcement official. The barrier installed by the Marshall Lodge between the motel and Bloomfield's Family Restaurant is not in violation of city codes, according to Mike.

    -- Posted by Eric Crump on Wed, Apr 10, 2013, at 7:13 PM
  • It is certainly a lovely addition to the Marshall Lodge. A steel fence post, bailing wire, and guard rail work of art.

    So if I build the same fence around my house in Marshall, will it muster city code approval? I have been led to believe that fences must be permitted and meet certain requirements.

    Not that I care that much about businesses who create their own eyesores, but is that thing considered a fence, or are there different rules for "parking lot barriers"?

    That is the question, I reckon.

    -- Posted by countryman on Thu, Apr 11, 2013, at 8:18 AM
  • Countryman,

    I see your point, and there are a few places around town I'm not too happy to see because, to me, they reflect poorly on the whole community. I asked Mike Morgan a while back about what options he has for forcing owners to improve shabby, poorly maintained properties. He said the code is mainly designed with health and safety in mind. Aesthetics don't really come into play. And I see the point there, too. If city code regulated what "looks good," there would have to be a precise definition of what "good" is, and even then, it might be very difficult to enforce.

    -- Posted by Eric Crump on Thu, Apr 11, 2013, at 4:52 PM
  • I still maintain that the barrier in it current condition will be extremely dangerous at night. Imagine a motorcyclist who is not familiar with the area, pulls in at nite and takes his head off or someone will impale themselves on the end of it that is exposed right at the entrance .Mark my words, this thing is going to hurt somebody!

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, Apr 12, 2013, at 6:32 AM
  • WTF, from the way you've described the barrier, it sounds like it would be violating OSHA regulations.

    -- Posted by Slater on Fri, Apr 12, 2013, at 1:52 PM
  • Someone just go there, and put some reflective tape on both sides of it. Better yet, ask whoever put it up to do so. If they say no, ask if they would mind if you did. If they still say no, explain that you want to avoid injury to someone, and a costly tort allegation to them. :)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Apr 12, 2013, at 5:10 PM
  • Maybe, Bloomfield's and the Livingroom should seek another location. One near one of the other motels, with a bigger parking lot. Problem solved! I am sure the patron's of both businesses would follow.

    -- Posted by litlmissme on Fri, Apr 12, 2013, at 8:22 PM
  • Cosa, is whining all you know how to do? Wait, don't answer that. I think res ipsa loquitur.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Sat, Apr 13, 2013, at 7:12 PM
  • Ah, yes..charming as always.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Sun, Apr 14, 2013, at 7:16 AM
  • I suppose now the general narrative will be that the only way to defend against a bad guy with a bomb is to have a good guy with a bomb?

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Tue, Apr 16, 2013, at 11:57 AM
  • So.... is todays railroad crossing entrapment practice just an easy way for the city to recoup some of their loss this year????

    -- Posted by twogirls on Tue, Apr 16, 2013, at 4:27 PM
  • Only if you break the law!

    -- Posted by Interested Too on Tue, Apr 16, 2013, at 8:04 PM
  • We need to outlaw pressure cookers after all it was pressure cookers that caused this tragedy we need to have everyone that has a pressure cooker to register and make sure when this is enacted that we share this with every federal agency after all we have no right for privacy....For all of you this was a tongue cheek statement.

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Wed, Apr 17, 2013, at 12:27 AM
  • Marshall's own Bob James is being interviewed on Bob Edwards' siriusxm radio this morning - on right now. He's talking about his hometown!

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Wed, Apr 17, 2013, at 7:06 AM
  • The broadcast repeats at 8 and 9 am today.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Wed, Apr 17, 2013, at 7:07 AM
  • Not entrapment, nobody forced you to cross the tracks with railroad crossing lights flashing. You made a poor decision and there were consequences.

    -- Posted by DAgates on Thu, Apr 18, 2013, at 6:00 PM
  • DAgates why don't you also bring back some of your other personas, they were funny.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Apr 18, 2013, at 7:39 PM
  • Is anyone else curious about the man who possessed explosive devices in our home town?? Gives me chills when you think of Boston and possibly Waco!

    -- Posted by nomad on Fri, Apr 19, 2013, at 9:02 AM
  • Nana...

    I do not wish to strike "FEAR" into my neighbors.

    Only awareness. Marshall, is a small and central town with many different senic routes to larger more significant cities for a wanna be "bomber".

    IMO... your disregard to educate yourself of what I was referring to is my only "FEAR"!

    -- Posted by nomad on Fri, Apr 19, 2013, at 10:30 AM
  • I don't want to strike fear into anyone's heart, but it is a fact that Saline County is a bomb material depository.

    That ubiquitous substance ammonium nitrate is stored all around you. Though these days there are safeguards in place, it would not be extremely difficult for a clever kook to secure enough to do a lot of damage. Think for instance, despondent farmer, foreclosure, mind snap, boom!

    Tim McVeigh blew up sixteen blocks of Oklahoma City with a truck load of ammonium nitrate. The explosion made my ears ring six miles away.

    My point is that even when precautions are taken it remains that when there is a will there is a way, but your chances of being maimed, or killed in a more mundane manner are vastly more likely. You are even more likely to be struck by lightning. We don't run around constantly worrying about being struck by lightning, though we attempt to avoid it.

    On further thought maybe just a little bit of precaution is in order concerning bombs too. So the next time a farmer's truck with a canvas over it's load is parked on the square, go ahead and drive off the square if it makes you feel better.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Apr 19, 2013, at 12:08 PM
  • Hey...I noticed there was no blog from our rep, Manny Cleaver. Maybe he's busy trying to figure out how to repay that loan like the judge told him....or filing an appeal to drag out the process a while longer.

    -- Posted by outsider on Fri, Apr 19, 2013, at 4:32 PM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    Sorry. I didn't get last week's column posted. (It's posted now.) Haven't received one yet this week.
  • FYI

    NanaDot has asked to have her user name deleted.

    -- Posted by Eric Crump on Sat, Apr 20, 2013, at 7:35 AM
  • Wow NanaDot is the matriarch who kept a bunch of overage boys minding their P's and Q's. Say it ain't so. :(

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Apr 20, 2013, at 11:10 AM
  • Nanadot, don't give up now! Hope your health is ok! If its a Private thing,good luck!

    -- Posted by Jo on Sat, Apr 20, 2013, at 6:03 PM
  • What's wrong with our kids today? One thing is that more American children live in poverty than do in all but one of thirty five developed countries. Yeah! We are thirty fourth, still hanging in there ahead of number thirty five Romania. Check it out: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/04/15/map-how-35-countrie...

    Poverty effects every facet of a child's life. Is it really any wonder that our children continue to fall further behind in education? They start behind, and poverty continues to grind them down. Maybe our teachers aren't as much at fault as some think, nor old buildings for that matter.

    It is the rare child that makes something of its self whose life has been spent in a poverty pocket. That is why stories are written, and pictures are taken of the rare exceptions. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Apr 22, 2013, at 1:40 AM
  • I certainly don't think teachers are at fault. To me, it seems that their hands are tied. They want to teach, but have to quietly and politely fight parents and administrators...mainly parents.

    -- Posted by outsider on Thu, Apr 25, 2013, at 8:59 AM
  • Philemon was another whose posts I enjoyed G66, there were others.

    Maybe we should promote a Speak Out reunion. It would be interesting to hear what folks are up to, left, right, and the middle as well as the politically indifferent.

    How about it folks? Why did you leave? What is currently important to you? What topics would you like to see posted more frequently?

    I don't mean to go all proactive on you Gal66, but I am going to post this on the primary Speak Out. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Apr 25, 2013, at 1:42 PM
  • Eric would you consider temporarily lifting the ban on the recalcitrants who would not play by the rules? ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Apr 25, 2013, at 1:49 PM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    I'd have to do that on a case by case basis. A few former commenters worked very hard to get banned. They burned bridges, poisoned the river and took an ax to the boats.
  • Anyway it would be fun, a virtual reunion picnic on the grounds, at least as long as no one tried to turn it into a nit pick on the grounds. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Apr 25, 2013, at 2:02 PM
  • I was joking Eric, there are some that were absolutely toxic. However JJ, if he/she/it could promise best behavior might be fun. :)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Apr 25, 2013, at 3:16 PM
  • RIP GEORGE JONES, you will be missed!!

    -- Posted by wheresthelove on Fri, Apr 26, 2013, at 9:47 AM
  • OK Reader,

    Great story about early childhood education success and support in OK on evening news. Congrats are in order.

    Nice to hear that something so important is working well.

    -- Posted by upsedaisy on Sat, May 4, 2013, at 10:16 PM
  • Due to dinner with friends we missed the evening news. What network showed it, I may try to see it. Good news is a rare thing here. Good to hear from you Upsedaisy. I hope that all is well with you. :)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, May 4, 2013, at 11:16 PM
  • Did anyone else read this story and see the quick link to Marshall? http://www.kansascity.com/2013/05/04/4218484/lost-for-years-drawings-and-their.h...

    -- Posted by pink lady on Sun, May 5, 2013, at 10:51 AM
  • OKR,

    CBS News. It's available via link on the CBS Evening News page. Mentions the Tulsa man who finances early childhood education in Tulsa.

    Hard to believe the snow in Marshall, hey wot? Interested to see the picture of a 2 March 1960 snowstorm which I remember.

    Cold rain here in southeast, at least we don't have to shovel.

    Hope all is well in OK.

    -- Posted by upsedaisy on Sun, May 5, 2013, at 11:28 PM
  • Thank you Upsedaisy.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, May 6, 2013, at 6:54 PM
  • Thanks pink lady for link to interesting article. Afraid we may be turning back the hands of the clock. Medication was going to be the great cure-all for mental problems, but more and more people w/mental issues are ending up in jail. If they have loved ones who keep trying to get them the help they really need they may eventually receive care, but if they have no one to advocate on their behalf, they continue to languish in prisons.

    -- Posted by upsedaisy on Tue, May 7, 2013, at 11:55 PM
  • "More infants die within twenty four hours of birth in the United States than any other industrialized nation. In fact 60% of all first day deaths in the developed world occur in the United States."

    Is it not high time that we give consideration to what all the rest of the developed world is doing with medical care systems? It seems plain when results are compared ours is hopelessly inferior. Is it not either ignorant, stupid, or close minded to argue ours is better when the facts dispute the point?


    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, May 8, 2013, at 7:29 PM
  • Interesting topic posted by pink lady. Historically people with a variety of differences were labeled schizophrenic when they weren't, and institutions were dumping grounds for the unwanted. Yes, jails now serve as mental institutions. Now psychoactive medications help many lead productive or simply quiet lives outside institutions. But for the violently troubled and their families, there are inadequate options. In addition, families and friends are hampered by privacy laws that came into effect as institutions downsized.

    Young paranoid schizophrenics seem to be disproportionately represented in headlines. Parents can write off misbehavior until the illness fully blossoms, usually in young adulthood. Parents of 33-year-old Rudy Perez, Sedalia, obviously tried, were successful for 10 years keeping son out of major trouble. Then after he went off his meds two months ago, attacking a neighbor, police, parents, he wound up in Columbia's Veterans Hospital where he killed an older patient. So sad. Jared Loughner (Arizona) and James Holmes (Aurora) are obviously paranoid schizophrenics vastly out of touch with reality. So was the Unibomber, Pres. Reagan's unsuccessful assassin John Hinckley and headlined others. We don't really know the mental state of Adam Lanza or Missouri's Blaec Lammers whose parents turned him in to police to prevent another mass murder.

    Lammers' parents have been outspoken about flaws in the mental health system that does not provide real help or get the mentally ill on the NICS gun purchase background check list. Some states report few to NICS citing privacy federal laws. Mental health is the "elephant in the room" nobody wants to talk about. Lammers' viewpoints are worth hearing because to him the situation is not hypothetical.


    -- Posted by former editor on Thu, May 9, 2013, at 7:18 AM
  • Good morning everyone ...

    May the raindrops fall lightly on your brow

    May the soft winds freshen your spirit

    May the sunshine brighten your heart

    May the burdens of the day rest lightly upon you

    And may God enfold you in the mantle of His love.

    (an olde Irish toast - but a great way to say "good mornin')


    -- Posted by gentle ben on Thu, May 9, 2013, at 8:24 AM
  • I think this town needs to think a little more when they close roads. We have Odell and Jefferson closed for train track work, have MoDOT working on 240 between Miami and Odell what happens when someone needs Emergency Response north of the tracks. Fire,EMS, and Police have to wind their way through town to get here. It is pretty sad the crossing at Odell was closed just a few months ago for almost a full month.

    -- Posted by MIZ_ZOU on Wed, May 15, 2013, at 11:11 AM
  • Why have several of our local police officers quit?

    -- Posted by Pasta on Fri, May 17, 2013, at 6:17 AM
  • Pasta I would guess that a lot of young officers come to a small town to get some experience and then move on to a larger town for better pay.

    -- Posted by Gal66 on Fri, May 17, 2013, at 7:42 AM

    -- Posted by Jo on Mon, May 20, 2013, at 9:59 PM
  • Thank you Jo. We live northside OKC. We are fine. We got 1.4 inches of rain in twenty minutes, and a lot of nickle sized hail along with it. We are about six, or seven miles north of the path of this ef-4, or ef-5 tornado.

    It is heart breaking that so many innocent children died. The folks of Oklahoma all grieve tonight.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, May 20, 2013, at 10:36 PM
  • OKR,

    Jo beat me to it--thanks for your quick response. Glad to know you and your family are safe. Thought of you as soon as the news broke this afternoon.

    -- Posted by upsedaisy on Tue, May 21, 2013, at 12:34 AM
  • Thanks Upsedaisy.

    It appears we are going to have more storms today (third day in a row) though they are not projected to be as severe as those of the last two days.

    This last year we have recieved minor earthquake damage to our home, minor hail damage on multiple occasions, unparalleled destructive heat, and unprecedented killing frost in May. Our water reservoirs are drying up, the worst one at 20 percent of capacity.

    We have in essence a one party state government. Folks argue as to whether all this is God's will, or man's will.

    Having said all that it is amazing how folks here unite to face disasters such as this.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, May 21, 2013, at 10:47 AM
  • OKR

    Weren't there also wildfires last fall?

    Many expensive problems caused by natural disasters. Whether you live in an area prone to floods, where homes need to be built on foundations to withstand flooding or in areas subject to tornadoes it may be time to follow the guidelines of FL and AL in strengthening building codes. Interesting to learn that clay soil is the reason few homes in OK have basements. So safe rooms or cores may be the only option.

    May the people heal and Moore rise to be "better" for all.

    -- Posted by upsedaisy on Wed, May 22, 2013, at 12:35 AM
  • There were wildfires, Upsedaisy, I had forgotten, or repressed the memory. ;)

    We have a fraidy hole in our garage floor that we had installed a couple of years ago.

    There was a drawing in OKC for a certain number to be subsidized by a government program. We were winners so to speak, as I recall one of eighteen hundred winners. We waited patiently for a long time. Funding was not forthcoming so we had it installed. Oh yes, you could not proceed with installation until funds were available. If you did you were stricken from the list of fortunate winners.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, May 22, 2013, at 11:13 AM
  • Thanks to Kip and Bob for their work on the Walk of Honor for our Veterans.

    -- Posted by Pasta on Wed, May 22, 2013, at 6:09 PM
  • To the young lady who try to interfere while I was shopping with my 4yr old son. He has Autism and thank God he does because he was not aware what you said to me. You prejudge a stranger someone you didn't know..I am not angry just feel sorry for the way you are hope you learn one day that things may look one way but in reality it is a whole different story.

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Wed, May 22, 2013, at 10:37 PM
  • Jason I am sorry that happened to you, and your son. Good intentions coupled with ignorance can cause much harm.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, May 23, 2013, at 12:00 AM
  • Well we recieved a letter yesterday from the prosecuting attorneys office letting us know that the man that pled guilty to Sexual Contact W/ Student By Teacher, Student Teacher, Employee, Contrct Employee, School Official Or Volunteer { Felony D RSMo: 566.086 } and recieved 4 years and 7 years on a related case will be released May 28 2013 after 120 days shock incarceration.

    I think the laws that allow this need to be changed!

    I also want everyone to know this is not the fault of anyone in the Prosecuting Attorneys office they along with the Marshall Police Department did a great job with this case!

    I have sent letters to everyone that has the power to change this in hopes we can get this changed.

    -- Posted by Gal66 on Thu, May 23, 2013, at 1:36 PM
  • My son was recently diagnosed with autism right now he is on the low end of the spectrum a 4 yr old that behaves like a 2 yr old or even less he can't eat a lot of foods because of textures. 1-88 in kids are born with the Autism spectrum. I have had doctors office call childrens division on us because he was not gaining wait when he was a baby well we begged and pleaded for a genetics test finally got one and it came back abnormal. I had this immediately put in his records. A chldrens hospital in KC investigated us for neglect basically before this, I no longer go to this hospital I go to the columbia much less of patients seen by the Doctors so therefore the quality of care is better. The hospital up at KC wanted to amputate his web fingers they said they would explore the idea of saving during surgery without do a mri to check for blood flow or anything we found another doctor in Columbia who did the work up and saved my son's fingers. I will say this if you as parents feel something is not right then you should all ways check it and double check it out keep asking questions don't quit till you find the answer that seems to speak to everything is going on. And another peace of advice if you do not like the medical advice of a specialist then go see another one for a second opinion. Remember you are your child's advocate and protector and don't stop asking questions we discovered the Thompson Center by accident thank god we did we are now on the road to more open doors to therapy.

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Fri, May 24, 2013, at 8:38 AM
  • Gal66,

    My heart breaks for your family. I wish that I could be surprised with this news. Most cases in Saline County given 5-7 year sentences are released in 120 days. That's not listed in the newspaper though! The Sweet Springs Mom whose kindergarten child brought methamphetamine & a crack pipe to school also received 120 shock incarceration. Our court system is not protecting the children from abusers. New judge & stricter sentences are needed in Saline County.

    -- Posted by SalineVoter on Fri, May 24, 2013, at 10:12 AM
  • Jason: Think of the Families that has (NO) Insurance at all ! They are Lucky too have 1 Diagnosis ,let alone 2 are 3! Our Children would have a better chance at life, with National Health Care for everyone! If you think about it everything worth while is Socialized ?

    -- Posted by Jo on Fri, May 24, 2013, at 11:57 AM
  • Thank you for providing information about your autistic son's condition. It was an appropriate response to the ignorant person who was hurtful in her reaction to encountering you and your son.

    The best tool against harmful ignorance is information.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, May 24, 2013, at 12:21 PM
  • News the good thing for Marshall is he does not live here, he came here from Blue Springs twice a week for our daughter and one other special needs child.

    He did lose his license so he will not have easy access to easy victims.

    -- Posted by Gal66 on Fri, May 24, 2013, at 2:57 PM
  • By the way Jason, Jo's comment is worth thinking about. I don't know if you are on a form of medicaid, or not, but you should be aware that there is a faction of politicians who wish to slash medicaid services to more, and more people at every opportunity. There are some politicians in some states that would choose to reject federal dollars to bring more people health care because they say they are fearful that the state may have to pick up the tab at some point.

    Our health care system is atrocious when compared to nearly every other industrialized nation's. We the people should not accept that. So why do we?

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, May 24, 2013, at 3:02 PM
  • The problem with Medicaid and it is a little known fact that it will be bankrupt in 9 years. They have a program that has an outflow of money and less of a influx of money. They should have it like an insurance have a co pay based on income guidelines require the patient that do not cancel and not show to appointments to pay for them themselves (Medicaid has to pay for the appointment regardless if a patient shows are not. It would be nice if we could do a tax that would go specifically to Medicaid but that won't happen and here is why most Missourians do not like taxes. They can't even pass a ciggarette tax. 2 Alot of people don't trust the government to knot dip into the funds and they do not trust our State division of Revenue. And with the recent IRS scandal this has reinforce this fear.

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Sat, May 25, 2013, at 12:16 AM
  • Medicaid is alot easier to apply for when you have a kid with a disabilty if you qualify for ssi then you get Medicaid. SSI payment is basically government welfare because these individuals paid little in the system or none at alot. The amount of SSI payment is effected by how much money the family is making the more the income the less of a payment however even if you are only getting 5 dollars in SSI it is worth the effort to apply for medicaid because you will qualify because of your dissability.

    To many kids go with out these government programs because their parents do not know their kids qualify for them.

    On a side note I believe we need to provide for those not able to fend for themselves leave our resources to them not to able body people. Or at least have true work programs where at least they are picking up trash along the highway or something. Make them put in the system before they take it out.

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Sat, May 25, 2013, at 12:24 AM
  • News your idea is outrageous! Jason would never go for that, it is communism! So all those old folks work together for their common good, sharing the bounty equally, and no one else has to kick in tax dollars to support them?

    Better in the red than being reds, especially in a red state.


    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, May 26, 2013, at 12:19 AM
  • I am all for people to work together just not the government overseeing it but with that sad. You all all right in my book just bear in mind my book is not a best seller lol.

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Sun, May 26, 2013, at 2:14 PM
  • Slater--it is time to check in. Floods in San Antonio have your old friends wanting to know if you are safely above water. Am I correct in remembering you are in the "Heights"?

    -- Posted by upsedaisy on Mon, May 27, 2013, at 11:07 PM
  • Hello Upsedaisy,

    Everything is fine here, and thanks for your concern. :)

    The weather service made a bigger deal out of our little shower than it needed. A few spots filled up but life returned to normal by Tuesday.

    I haven't been around much lately. Been busy with a laundry list of things.

    I've been out of touch and didn't even know about the terrible storm in OKC the other day, but I see that OKR is OK and that's good.

    Thanks for checking on me!

    -- Posted by Slater on Thu, May 30, 2013, at 12:41 AM
  • Thanks to the Marshall street sweeper for cleaning the curbs after the last gully washers. There must have been a few specks of sand that I couldn't see. Do you work on a schedule, or do you actually go out and look to see if there is a need?

    About the Marshall Police Dept. There is plenty to read in the Columbia papers. It seem to be correct since Marshall just hired 4 new officers.

    Marshall city offices are still corrupt. That is why we can't get any new businesses to come to town.

    -- Posted by Pasta on Thu, May 30, 2013, at 5:26 PM
  • What if they had hired 2 officers, or one? Where do you draw the line?

    -- Posted by Interested Too on Thu, May 30, 2013, at 5:46 PM
  • I will try to get the link.

    -- Posted by Pasta on Fri, May 31, 2013, at 7:31 AM
  • If Eric holder HAS BROKE THE Law,you can bet he will be dealt with,under Obama's administration!I believe this! But he has to be Convicted!

    -- Posted by Jo on Fri, May 31, 2013, at 2:12 PM
  • When i was just a Child in the late 30's we visited a relative that died in the Old Folk's Home in Marshall! It seems like it was in the country a little ways North Of Marshall.Does anyone remember? We didn't know what was Good or Bad back then , we never seen a lot of the good,so nothing too compare it too!

    -- Posted by Jo on Fri, May 31, 2013, at 3:18 PM
  • Glad your back NANA!

    -- Posted by Jo on Fri, May 31, 2013, at 3:20 PM
  • OKR:

    I am praying for you and yours! Sounds terrible, stay safe!

    -- Posted by litlmissme on Fri, May 31, 2013, at 8:10 PM
  • Thanks lmm. It has been an interesting evening. See my comments on the political blog.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, May 31, 2013, at 9:05 PM
  • Wilton Springs Bridge...lots of good memories.


    -- Posted by EiEiO on Fri, May 31, 2013, at 10:02 PM
  • In light of the recent tornados, I would like to know what public areas are open in Marshall? I have two daughters that live in homes with no basements....where would they go to have a safe place?

    -- Posted by litlmissme on Sat, Jun 1, 2013, at 9:24 AM
  • Wilton Springs Bridge is a wonderful old structure. As a teenager, I climbed that bridge once. I was 16 and bullet-proof then. Good memories, indeed.

    -- Posted by born-n-raised on Sat, Jun 1, 2013, at 2:43 PM
  • litlmissme:

    I'd call the Fire Chief to find that stuff out.

    -- Posted by Interested Too on Mon, Jun 3, 2013, at 5:31 AM
  • It breaks my heart reading what has been posted about our senior citizens, one day it will be them that are old, I hope they get more respect and stop to remember these things that they are posting. I hope they are treated better than what they are suggesting now, they better remember they to will get old where they cannot work, yes lets see them work for hours until they fall out, maybe someone will kick them and tell them to get back to work pulling weeds. These people has to be heartless and I am so glad I don't know anyone like that, God help them.

    -- Posted by buttons on Wed, Jun 5, 2013, at 11:13 AM
  • I think it is time that we take care of the elderly. Most of them have worked all of their lives and have paid into the system. Lets let the young able bodied freeloaders do without. They either work or do without! I'm tired of my money going to people that do absolutely nothing!

    -- Posted by tommob on Thu, Jun 6, 2013, at 10:21 AM
  • You're right, we should take care of the elderly - but a lot of those on Social Security ARE the elderly. Otherwise, the only ones that I know of are people on disability and children whose parents die. I know one guy who had ALS and got disability. He started getting benefits sometime between not being able to button his shirt and not being able to swallow. When he died, his children got Soc. Sec. until they were 18. He certainly couldn't work - but he did get onto the disability list right away because of ALS. Most people have to wait a year before they qualify.

    Food stamps go to people who don't make enough to buy food - many of whom work. In a lot of places Walmart, for example, gives their employees food stamp applications because they don't pay enough for people to live. We could just raise the minimum wage so they'd have to pay more. That would get some folks off assistance.

    I don't know, it seems to me that most people with benefits really need them - unless we want to talk about all the money that goes to those who are already well set and well connected, via tax advantages & government contracts.

    Who's getting paid your money for doing nothing?

    -- Posted by Have to say on Thu, Jun 6, 2013, at 3:35 PM
  • I would like to know if anyone knows the whereabouts of the two light poles that was taken off the two fountains on the square. The were removed back in the 80's and was thought to be in the old state shed on morrow street. One of the post has a plaque on it with the names of men who served in the revolution war. The fountains were put on the square in 1915 by the Daughters of the American Revolution, I think it was the Patsy Greg Chapter.

    I would like to start a community drive to restore the fountains for the citzens of Saline County.

    -- Posted by mofireman on Sat, Jun 8, 2013, at 10:02 AM
  • I spoke to the current owner of the old maitenance bldg on morrow street and he told me that he had bought the building from thompson's and that the light poles where not there. The cost to replace the poles will be about $30,000 just for the poles, if anyone knows their whereabouts please let me know.

    -- Posted by mofireman on Sat, Jun 8, 2013, at 4:02 PM
  • I notice that Pasta never got the link to support his allegations against MPD.

    I used the Columbia paper's search engine and found nothing.

    It may be time for a retraction, right Pasta?

    -- Posted by Interested Too on Tue, Jun 11, 2013, at 9:16 AM
  • Have the Drinking Fountains ever been found? I think they were taken down in the middle 40 or early 50 ? Someone was looking for them a few Years ago! I can't remember if there was one on each corner, or not.

    -- Posted by Jo on Wed, Jun 12, 2013, at 10:48 PM
  • what makes me sad is able-bodied people that can work and would rather draw food-stamps, Then there are the ones that sells their food-stamps so they can buy cigs and drugs with the money, I know someone that drew them for seven months, never had their child living with them, sold them for drugs, and when finally getting caught, went and got the child and got the food-stamps back, police made grand-parents give the child back, now the drugs are flowing again, putting that child in danger again. What is wrong with our legal system?? It dose not do any good to report them, that was tried and failed. We wonder what is wrong with our kids, all we have to do is look at our legal system, it is hard to get anything done, including hot linening them, all you get is the run around,

    Why is our system so mixed up?? People that really needs cannot get it and the ones that could work will not, then people complain about S.S. and old people that has worked all their lives, paid into S.S. and deserves it are getting it.

    -- Posted by buttons on Thu, Jun 13, 2013, at 10:46 AM
  • Buttons have you considered that those welfare cheats that you keep a vigilant eye on usually draw benefits that are less than the cost of keeping them in prison, or jail? There is also often the cost of paying for children moved to foster homes during the incarceration.

    So what do you think we should do about it. I don't think the state is in any mood to pay more to, or because of the actions of the worst of the poor folks. They are even cutting education funding, or at least all but one of the Republicans aretrying to. Those same folks are insisting on cutting the state income tax rate.

    What would you do?

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Jun 13, 2013, at 11:43 AM
  • In 2012, the best paid hedge fund manager in the US could have saved around $528 million dollars because of the "carried interest rate" tax loophole. It makes his tax rate less than half that of someone in another field whose earnings put him or her at the top tax bracket (maybe a doctor saving lives, for example) because his income is taxed as capital gains instead of work. $528 million is the difference between the 15% (capital gains rate) of what it's reported that this hedge fund manager made and the 39% he would have paid without the loophole. I don't know how much of his income he sheltered from even that paltry 15% rate with deductions - or any other tax reductions his accountants figured out for him - so I don't know how much he actually paid, just how much he would have paid at 15% on his entire income.

    What benefit could he have contributed to the world that could possibly be worth even the $528 million he gained in 2012 with his unfair tax advantage, not even mentioning what he did that was worth his actual income that year of $2.2 billion (that's $2.2 million/hour at 40 hr/wk, 50 wks/yr)? Next year his tax rate will go up to 20%. At that rate he would have saved around $418 million on taxes by paying on his income as if it were capital gains. That's still a ridiculous amount of money.

    This man is considered one of the pillars of our society - a lion in the marketplace.

    $528 million would pay for over 8,000 teachers earning an average of $60,000/yr. It would provide food stamps for over 36,000 8-person households - almost 300,000 people

    Seven months of food stamps for a 2-person household would have been around $2,600 (the person you describe, Buttons). That's .00049% of $528 million. Not that fraud is OK, but that's half of a thousandth of a percent of Mr. Hedge Fund's tax advantage. This situation makes me a lot sadder - and a lot madder - than any cheating on government support programs.

    -- Posted by Have to say on Thu, Jun 13, 2013, at 2:07 PM
  • have to say - excellent point. But actually it's even worse...$2600 as a percentage of $518,000,000 is 5 to the negative 6th or of one percent... 0.000005 so take that penny and chop into a MILLION pieces, and keep 5...

    -- Posted by NDII on Thu, Jun 13, 2013, at 3:38 PM
  • I'd love to take your figures, NDII, but I'm not sure ... In either case, though, the two amounts are so grossly different that it's hard to hold both of them in your head at the same time. The 15% rate I figured for Mr. Hedge Fund is a little higher than the rate Mitt Romney claimed to have paid over the last 10 years when he was running for President last year.

    But to Oklahoma Reader's point, I think it costs on average across the US, over $31,000 to keep someone in jail for a year.

    -- Posted by Have to say on Thu, Jun 13, 2013, at 5:05 PM
  • OK. READER I agree it costs to house people in prisons, but how on earth will a person ever learn letting them get by with doing what they want to do and yes it cost for children to be in foster care, but do we let them grow up thinking scamming every one is ok and that is the way of life? My story was not costing any one any thing, the grand-parents was fully supporting the child on their own, now mom will be getting over $500.00 A MONTH AGAIN, and the child will be back in a dangerous place again. It is very very hard to prove a mom unfit, according to the guide lines of unfit mother, so guess we just let the child grow up inhaling all the smoke from the drugs, so they to will figure out how to scam the system to get their drugs in later years. Is that what we have come to today? Turn your back, make excuses for them and let them go?

    -- Posted by buttons on Thu, Jun 13, 2013, at 5:59 PM
  • What do you think we should do Buttons.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Jun 13, 2013, at 6:44 PM
  • I think anyone that applies for food stamps should have a UA done once a month, investigated to make sure they really cannot work and needs them, should have to turn in all the receipts for what is bought with food stamps and how often, (you know an adult and a child could not eat up $200.00 a week ). I know this would not solve all the abuse, but I believe it would slow it down and make it impossible to buy for anyone else.

    , or sell to someone for cash to buy drugs, the card holder would have to sign all receipts when the purchase was made. I believe there are things that can be done to slow down abuse of card, but who am I? Just someone that believes something can and should be done, and I know it can if welfare fraud would try,

    -- Posted by buttons on Thu, Jun 13, 2013, at 7:15 PM
  • Everyone is talking about the cheats that plays the System on Welfare! What about the Doctors Lawyers,Hospitals,and any other Profession that want to dip into the Money! They steal more than all the People that really need it! But i guess that's OK ? The system works if these people are watched as close as the few little Guys! Social Security is the same way! If the Government would Pay what they Owe use, it would be solvent! There not going to let up ,until they can privatize everything!The people have to do something? Let's have a Flat % for everyone! Write the bill On ONE SHEET OF PAPER, one Paragraph! NO EXCEPIONS !!

    -- Posted by Jo on Thu, Jun 13, 2013, at 8:50 PM
  • Buttons,

    What's a UA?

    Regarding food stamps - according to the USDA, the maximum amount a 2 person household can get in a month is $367 (around $92/wk). Here's the link: http://www.fns.usda.gov/snap/applicant_recipients/ben.htm.

    I know there are restrictions on what can be bought on a food stamp card. I guess you could sell one, but you might need ID to use it - so it would be hard to sell at full value.

    It sounds like you know this person has sold it - but $200/wk is $800/month - and to get food stamps at that level you'd have to prove you have a household of 5 people. For a payment of around $500/month you'd have to say you had a three person household. A person could be prosecuted for fraud for claiming too many people - or for selling a card. I would think that fraud would have some impact on being declared a fit mother.

    -- Posted by Have to say on Thu, Jun 13, 2013, at 11:30 PM
  • It is a problem Buttons. I agree it is heart breaking to see kids in unfit homes. I have seen that. If you don't correct the situation early those kids all too often grow up to repeat the cycle. One thing that it is going to take to correct it is money; to be used in one fashion, or another.

    In this era our society is not inclined to put money into saving lives. We are more interested in saving the life styles of the very rich. A good example of that is the proposed tax cut that remains alive despite the veto of the Governor. It is of little value to those of us in the lesser half of income earners, but will return many dollars to the upper half of income earners; dollars that they do not really need.

    What a difference though all that tax money could make in bettering the chances of at risk children. It would not have to be put into the programs sponsored by liberal, or conservative interests. Try the ideas of both. Those that work keep, those that don't discard, no matter the source.

    We could do so much better than we do for kids. Our number one priority should be save the children. They are our future.

    Buttons I appreciate your concern for those helpless unfortunate children. It is too bad that more people do not concern themselves about the problem.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Jun 13, 2013, at 11:49 PM
  • Buttons don't let it bother you, our parents did it the wrong way you know gave us the pride to work for what we have.

    With the child your posting about if what you say is true someone will step up and take care of them I bet its a grand parent.

    I support a flat tax.

    Hell I even say we should bring all our troops home and yes I say all of them screw the rest of the world.

    Hell we will not need as many troops so send a bunch of them packing too.

    Don't know what they will do for money but good old uncle-sam will take care of them.

    Hell I think it's time for a dystopian society!

    No more humanitarian aid to anyone outside this country, we have people here in this country that need our tax money.

    -- Posted by Gal66 on Fri, Jun 14, 2013, at 7:16 AM
  • News:

    Sadly, it isn't a few. It is a great many, and an irritant of mine to see healthy people on disability and able bodied on food stamps when the ones who really need it can't seem to get help. I have known several people that have gotten disability that are as capable of working as I am, they just know it s easier to walk to the mailbox than get up at the crack of dawn, brush off the aches and pains, pack a lunch and go to work everyday. It is sad to see.

    -- Posted by litlmissme on Fri, Jun 14, 2013, at 2:52 PM
  • News:

    I did not say any of these folks were friends, or living high on the hog. I have heard some co-workers talk of how they were screwing the system, by volunteering to go home early so they get more food stamps. I heard two girls in Walmart talking about one will pay for your food, if you'll buy me some beer. As far as I am concerned, food stamps and disability are in no way connected with our military. It is a crying shame that so many people are ABLE to work and work harder at getting out of work than keeping a job. Plus, those who are not disabled but hired a good lawyer to get disability. Nope I am not a physican, but I am not a blind man either.

    -- Posted by litlmissme on Fri, Jun 14, 2013, at 5:56 PM
  • lilmissme: EVERYbody it seems has all of information they need because they saw/heard someone in Wal-Mart or somebody told them about it... :/

    The FACTS about SNAP are larger than a few anecdotes in one rural town:


    Miltary families and retirees hit hard by SNAP cuts:




    Food assistance is both stimulative to the economy and effective as a program to stave off ABJECT poverty and starvation. The US spends less than 4% of it's budget on the TOTAL USDA budget, and most of that goes to AgBiz, not FOOD.

    Now I understand that the sheer magnitude of the numbers that Have to Say was discussing earlier are hard to wrap one's head around, and it sure is easy to blame the other little guy who you think is getting something 'free', ... but try. The AVERAGE GROSS household income for people on SNAP is a bit over $700 for the MONTH... for EVERYTHING... HTS's hedgefund cheater dodged $42,833,333 JUST on unpaid taxes in the same month... And, no, you can't do anything about the hedgefund socialist tax cheat - but why aren't you outraged about THAT? The 'food stamp cheat' is paying sales tax, social security taxes, and property taxes even if they're too poor to pay income taxes and everyone wants to complain about the next poverty-wage-slave 'gettin' sumpin fer free' while totally ignoring the biggest, most massive wealth rip-off EVER... I don't understand..

    -- Posted by NDII on Fri, Jun 14, 2013, at 8:33 PM
  • For those of you that support the Missouri tax bill here is a bit of info that most didn't know was in the bill! A 200 MILLION DOLLAR PRESCRIPTION DRUG TAX FOR OUR STATE.

    So I guess it ok make drastic cuts in education and add cost to prescription drugs. If you do think its ok just remember who to blame if this happens after it all falls apart and we have our kids receiving sub par educations and add to the list of people who have to choose between eating or their meds. It will be the REPUBLICANS in the Missouri Congress.

    I will remember for sure and I will do my best to make sure no one forgets who is pushing this bill which will hinder progress in our great state of Missouri.


    -- Posted by cheesehead on Sat, Jun 15, 2013, at 12:52 AM
  • News:

    I doubt that anyone who knows me would ever say I am not a good citizen. I get up each day, and earn a living, I pay my taxes, I don't look for handouts. I take care of my family, I volunteer and support numerous charities, and belong and attend church. We have different opinions but that does not make me a bad citizen.

    I have made some mistakes in voting for the wrong canidate sometimes but thank God we have the right to voice our opinions and to be free to make the wrong choices. I try to learn from my mistakes and freely admit when I make one. If these things make me wrong and a bad citizen then I msut be mistaken I thought I was in the United States! Yes, I know you have dual citizenship, and were raised here that is not in dispute that you are indeed entitled to your opinion, but so am I.

    -- Posted by litlmissme on Sat, Jun 15, 2013, at 4:18 PM
  • Cheesehead; Your not one of those that think we haven't already lost control of our Government?It has gotten too the point of desperation for the 98% ! The answer is, what do we do about it? Voting don't do it!Personally i think we are going to have too make our lives even more severe by doing nothing! Absolutely nothing ,for at least 1 Month,and it has to be at least 75% of all Americans! Other than that we have same ol same ol!

    -- Posted by Jo on Sat, Jun 15, 2013, at 5:52 PM
  • Right on Nana!

    -- Posted by Jo on Sat, Jun 15, 2013, at 5:56 PM
  • litlmissme - of course you're a citizen, and it sounds like you're a good one - probably better than me. More importantly, you're a human being - which gives you a perfect right to your opinion. I have a lot of pretty strong opinions myself, but I certainly can't claim I've never been wrong.

    I'm really glad that we can discuss those opinions here, though (yours, mine, news', Buttons', and everybody else's) - and trade information to support our own beliefs when we disagree. Maybe we'll persuade each other on some points. It looks like the discussion gets a bit rough sometimes, but if we can't hash it out somewhere, I think the bad situation we're in will just get worse.

    And Jo - how will 75% of Americans get convinced to do nothing for a month? If they don't work they won't be able to pay their rent - they won't be able to buy food. That's a lot to ask of people - especially if they haven't gotten together before-hand to figure out how to deal with the problems. You may be right that it's the right thing to do, but how will most people survive it?

    -- Posted by Have to say on Sat, Jun 15, 2013, at 6:49 PM
  • Many thanks to the Chamber of Commerce for the city wide garage sale yesterday! I'm sure a lot of work went in to its organization. I think it is something that would be worthwhile to do again next year, but my suggestion would be a month-long "city wide" garage sale. Divide the city into quarters and give each quarter its weekend. There were 87 LISTED sales yesterday (not to mention the many more unlisted sales). That's too many. It is overwhelming for the consumer. Garage sales are hard work to put together, and when you've got that much competition, your sales will suffer. This is just an idea from an avid garage sale goer. :)

    -- Posted by imaloony on Sun, Jun 16, 2013, at 11:11 AM
  • Have to say,that's my point you couldn't get the American People to try any kind of Civil disorder! And i have never disagreed with New' except this time! Our Government will fire on us! They did it all through the civil Rights Movement.At Kent State,and many more times with Religious organizations . So it has to be some kind of Civil unrest,and the American People is not ready(YET)? UNLESS THE ENTIRE SYSTEM IS CHANGED TO A MORE SOCIAL SOCIETY,WE ARE UNDER THE GUN,SO TO SPEAK! OUR LEADERS HAS US BY THE SHORT HAIRS,AND THEY KNOW IT!~ They have shown it in the last few Years. When Bush & Cheney went against the Law's of this Country and the people went with it! BIG MISTAKE!!

    -- Posted by Jo on Mon, Jun 17, 2013, at 12:42 AM
  • We look forward to the Saline County Fair every year. It is a very worthy cause for our community and our youth. The children work very hard to help with the dinner and to showcase their talents in the competitions that are offered. We have some very remarkable young men and women in our community that we should be very proud of. They are our next generation. There are talents such as dancing, singing and instrument playing. There is also a Queen competition. These young ladies are nominated by their peers to represent their organization. It is my understanding that there are several factors that play into this. Grades, volunteering, community service, etc.. While I have enjoyed the online photo gallery of all the Saline County Fair events, it has been very disheartening that you have not loaded an album of these wonderful, intelligent young ladies from our county. I know many things draw people to the fair each year and I am sure that the Queen contests is one of them. Would love to see some pictures of these young ladies on their special day. I'm honored that they represent Saline County.

    -- Posted by freckles on Mon, Jun 17, 2013, at 2:16 PM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    I apologize for the delay getting the photos posted. Look for them in a day or two.
  • The United States is ranked 27th in the world in middle class wealth. Hopefully at least that news will trickle down to the middle class. Nothing else does. http://www.alternet.org/economy/americas-middle-class-27th-richest?akid=10589.10...

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Jun 20, 2013, at 12:39 AM
  • Braggart! ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Jun 20, 2013, at 10:08 AM
  • hi all. New to these Forums. and This ONLINE version of the paper

    -- Posted by Armour-of-God on Thu, Jun 20, 2013, at 4:40 PM
  • Every once in awhile I get really incensed by the political Far Right's incessant attack on public education. The state government of Oklahoma has been taken over in every facet by the right wing of the Republican party. That includes the office of State Superintendent of Schools, currently occupied by Janet Barresi.

    After the devasting consecutive tornadoes in Moore Oklahoma in which among many others, seven children at an elementary school lost their lives because they were forced to huddle in a hall way because there was no better shelter available, Ms. Barresi visited Moore, and proclaimed that she would do all that she could to help them in their recovery.

    Responding to her offer, the Superintendent of Moore Schools asked for help from her in a way that would not cost the state one dime, but that would help the school district recover from the devastation more expeditiously. The state's school systems are on an eleven month pattern disbursing state funds. He asked that on a one time exception that it be changed to a twelve month disbursement so that they could get the money early to help alleviate the nightmarish problems that Moore schools are facing. She refused.

    Ms. Barresi is in a long running battle with nearly every school superintendent in Oklahoma, constantly and consistently putting road blocks in the way of improving public education.

    Here is the article in the right wing Daily Oklahoman which is far from the alleged left wing bias that far too many fear warps the truth. Read it yourself. http://newsok.com/state-schools-superintendent-janet-barresis-denial-of-moore-sc...

    I bring this to the attention of the citizens of my beloved home town, and home state because Missouri is also trending in the same direction toward ultraconservative political control of its government.

    Here in Oklahoma like lemmings seeking the shortest path to the cliff from which to jump, a majority of teachers march out, and vote for the folks that will destroy public education. I fear it is becoming the same in Missouri.

    The Oklahoma Superintendent of Schools Janet Barresi is no friend of education, and her constant attacks on public education are more devastatingly profound than all the tornadoes that strike Oklahoma. Her hateful response to the cry for help from Moore's school leader is a symbol of the unrelenting, worse than tornadoes attack on public schools by governments that proclaim they are conservative, but conserve nothing, and destroy much of value. Ms. Barresi's act, a simple symbol of just that, should sweep the nation, striking fear in the heart of every educator, and parent. It should foster resistance to the destruction, but will it?

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Jun 22, 2013, at 3:24 PM
  • ""The state department of education is now your department, tell me what you need . . . We're going to move heaven and earth."

    -Janet Barresi speaking to Moore school employees on 5/22/13

    " . . . The (Moore) schools shouldn't need their money early."

    -Janet Barresi speaking to a reporter on 6/21/13

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Jun 22, 2013, at 5:16 PM
  • This action from Barrisi in OK seems pretty consistent with the actions of right wing idealogues in power across the country. They say they support schools, teachers and other public servants (police, fire fighters, ambulance emergency medical workers, etc.) then they refuse to actually give any support.

    Unfortunately, I think that the only thing voters hear is what these officials say - voters miss the action. But they should be aware: EXTREME CONSERVATIVE GOVERNMENT IS CUTTING SERVICES YOU NEED.


    -- Posted by Have to say on Sat, Jun 22, 2013, at 6:54 PM
  • BIG CONGRATS to Mikaela Henke of Marshall and Olivia Loges of Sweet Springs!! Saline County is proud to call these young ladies our "Queens". You both looked beautiful! I made a four hour trip to come to the BBQ to watch my cousin and it was worth every mile :)

    -- Posted by freckles on Mon, Jun 24, 2013, at 9:29 AM
  • news across, Food was wonderful!! So enjoyed the community coming together and seeing all of the town youth work so hard. True small town living. Check out the photo gallery. They have some AMAZING pictures of the event!!

    -- Posted by freckles on Tue, Jun 25, 2013, at 12:05 PM
  • BBQ sauce was fine. Guess I take BBQ sauce for granted and never really pay much attention. Have never tasted one in Missouri that tasted like ketchup and spices thankfully.

    -- Posted by freckles on Wed, Jun 26, 2013, at 8:26 AM
  • Well, look at that...the Supreme Court got something right for a change

    -- Posted by Armour-of-God on Wed, Jun 26, 2013, at 11:19 AM
  • This one is for all of you, who like me, are of a certain age. I enjoy the posts of such compatriots who remain, and miss the comments of you who now refrain.

    Inner Fire

    Staring into a fire inside that ever more slowly burns

    considering that my dreams have diminishing returns

    I shiver from the loss of long accustomed heat

    hug myself tightly as I lean forward in my seat

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Jun 28, 2013, at 12:47 PM
  • In case anyone is still unaware, Eric Crump is leaving us for the big city of Chicago. We should all wish him well in his new endeavors.

    -- Posted by cmasretire on Fri, Jun 28, 2013, at 7:12 PM
  • Thank you, cmasretire! I'll miss Marshall and Saline County. There are so many good things happening here & good people making them happen. I'm sorry I won't be able to participate as much.

    -- Posted by Eric Crump on Sat, Jun 29, 2013, at 8:12 AM
  • Best wishes, Eric! Keep that chin strap at the ready in case the breeze becomes too much for your hat. :)

    No more bike riding to work, I'm guessing.

    -- Posted by Slater on Sun, Jun 30, 2013, at 4:43 PM
  • Thanks Slater. Yeah, I'm afraid I'll have to become a recreational cyclist now. Homewood is apparently bike friendly. They have bike lanes anyway. I've always found Marshall to be very bike friendly, too, even without lanes. People are very considerate two-wheelers. Thank you, Marshall motorists!

    -- Posted by Eric Crump on Sun, Jun 30, 2013, at 5:01 PM
  • Hey Crump! Can you take a former member of the Saline County Historic Preservation group with you?

    -- Posted by Armour-of-God on Sun, Jun 30, 2013, at 8:44 PM
  • "23 Miles south of Chicago

    Population: 19,323

    58% College Degree; 18% Master's, Doctorate

    1,500 daily rail commuters

    Top Transit Suburb by Chaddick Institute

    Top Most Livable Metro-Area Suburb in Midwest by Forbes.com

    Best Town by Chicago Magazine"

    (From Homewood website)

    It appears that Homewood will be a bit different than Marshall.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Jun 30, 2013, at 11:41 PM
  • I imagine Monday is going to be a strange day in the MDN office without Eric. I can't imagine that paper or community without him. Best of luck Chief on your new adventure, and best of luck to whoever replaces you. The new editor has big shoes to fill.

    -- Posted by Maggie Menderski on Mon, Jul 1, 2013, at 12:13 AM
  • Hey Eric - sorry I missed your going away "food day" (see Scottie for explanation) ... We'll miss you ... I hope the new Chief will accept my columns "a bit" too late ... Thanks for all you've done and been in Saline County. See ya 'round buddy ...


    -- Posted by shep on Mon, Jul 1, 2013, at 8:06 AM
  • Sounds like a nice town

    -- Posted by Armour-of-God on Mon, Jul 1, 2013, at 8:43 AM
  • So I heard that the Marshall Housing Authority is going to stop the Section 8 housing due to lack of funds. I wonder if this includes MVCAA.

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Mon, Jul 1, 2013, at 9:40 AM
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