Speak Out August 1 to November 1, 2012

Wednesday, August 1, 2012

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  • Happy August everyone! One more month under our belts and one more month closer to Fall!

    -- Posted by luvthoseowls on Wed, Aug 1, 2012, at 10:44 AM
  • Why you probably won't have to pay a "fine" or "tax" if you don't buy health insurance under the new mandate. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/01/health-care-reform-individual-mandate-t...

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Aug 1, 2012, at 1:12 PM
  • Chicken Pot Pie -

    Why so negative about church affiliation? That's a far more positive thing than belonging to a gang, the Mafia or the KKK.

    College research into economic thinking and cheating shows that if people are asked to recite the 10 Commandments, they are less likely to cheat. This held true even if the test subjects couldn't remember commandments or were agnostics or atheists. Wish we could get Wall Street bankers, traders and hedge funders to recite. Maybe locally invested MF Global money wouldn't have "vaporized." Maybe all those "Linda Greens" wouldn't have signed somebody else's name attesting to having checked real estate documents they never read.

    -- Posted by former editor on Wed, Aug 1, 2012, at 2:34 PM
  • News Across - you are challenging again.

    Conclusion is that "we are driven by morality much more than standard economic models allow." Research on cheating and morality is covered in a book by Dan Ariely featured in a June New York Times piece:


    Google the guy and the book, and you'll find more. The "Freakonomics" books are good, too, based on good research.

    KKK doesn't sound like a moral organization to me, pseudo-Christian.

    -- Posted by former editor on Wed, Aug 1, 2012, at 4:53 PM
  • News Across - perhaps you didn't Google hard enough. Here's a link to a 2009 paper published in the journal "Psychological Science." It includes a reference to the 10 Commandments experiment, so you can chase it.


    The 2008 research paper with the 10 Commandments experiment, "The Dishonesty of Honest People," was published in the Journal of Marketing Research Vol. 45.

    Referencing whether the KKK is a moral organization, perhaps this New Testament quote applies: "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits." Does the KKK produce good fruit?

    -- Posted by former editor on Wed, Aug 1, 2012, at 5:45 PM
  • Wel I see our city fathers have managed to squash another business that wanted to come to town. I guess they would rather see the old hospital just sit there until it falls down.

    -- Posted by sheepdip on Wed, Aug 1, 2012, at 6:15 PM
  • Personally, I started out thinking that this was a great project. After hearing from a variety of people, I changed my mind.

    Marshall currently has low-cost senior housing sitting empty. Now, if Sunflower had wanted to provide housing that wasn't limited to seniors, I would have been able to support it more. The real lack of housing in Marshall is for people who don't qualify for Section 8 but aren't interested in purchasing a house. Teachers come into town and can't find a place to live. Same way with visiting professionals, such as doctors at the hospital.

    That's where the need is. The old hospital would be great for the right project.

    -- Posted by Amy Crump on Wed, Aug 1, 2012, at 7:02 PM
  • Its a sad thing to see the 54%, against Health care coming from a supposedly Christian Community like Marshall! I used to be proud of that Town! Seems like a lot of selfish or ignorant People living there now!

    -- Posted by Jo on Wed, Aug 1, 2012, at 8:09 PM
  • News Across - Both journals I cited (Psychological Science and Journal of Marketing Research) publish research papers only after a peer review process. If you object to their processes, please consult them about it.

    Remember that KKK branded flyers littered driveways in Saline County last month, and the sheriff is looking for information. Typo excused, often evidence of brain moving faster than fingers. And the sheriff won't be concerned unless the typo turns into KKK KKK too often.

    In the spirit of fun, let's reprise the farm boys' created music video "I'm Farming and I Grow It," nearly 6.5 million views since June 25.


    -- Posted by former editor on Wed, Aug 1, 2012, at 8:11 PM
  • George,

    You may have a point but the real need is still for housing that isn't subsidized or Section 8.


    -- Posted by Amy Crump on Wed, Aug 1, 2012, at 9:15 PM
  • George,

    I believe that the Zimmer plan will address some of the housing issues. I am waiting to see that.

    -- Posted by Amy Crump on Wed, Aug 1, 2012, at 9:45 PM
  • -- Posted by AnneD on Wed, Aug 1, 2012, at 11:40 PM
  • News Across - There are many types of peer review which vary with discipline and purpose. You have defined what you find acceptable. Not everything can be researched in experimental, readily quantifiable terms. Examples include anthropology relying strongly on cultural observation and experiments that would compromise human safety or life.

    Some of the extended posting on a subject tended to digress, and I oroginally referred to wishing there were a way to prevent the greedy, cheating, fraudy behavior that culminated in the financial crisis and still tends to play out in a series of revelations such as the MF Global and LIBOR scandals.

    Missouri has a resource that isn't used enough, William K. Black, UMiKC. His specialty is white collar crime and how it is incentivized. Black often refers to a paper co-authored by George Akerlof, "The Market for Lemons: Quality Uncertainty and the Market Mechanism" for which the authors received a Nobel Prize. Simply, it's about how sellers who know more about a product can fool buyers, which ruins the market over time. Black has many ways of explaining how rewarding bad behavior produces more bad behavior. Shades of Pavlov and B. F. Skinner.

    Bail out the big bankers programs worked as a reward for bad behavior. TBTF equals financial obesity, and we have yet to find an effective way to promote Wall Street responsible behavior. The business department at UCM, Warrensburg, has programs designed to promote ethical behavior. The faculty does research and publishes in journals, and I respect their efforts, hoping their methods work in the real world. A researcher in another department is doing a paper on the functionality of emergency response in smaller communities, 50,000 and down. Personally I would generalize that to a variety of community efforts. At times I see some of that grass roots community functionality in Marshall and the county.

    -- Posted by former editor on Thu, Aug 2, 2012, at 9:39 AM
  • Eric why in the world would my post about the lack of victim rights and the lack of communication from the Saline County Prosecuting attorney's office have been deleated?

    -- Posted by Gal66 on Thu, Aug 2, 2012, at 1:34 PM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    We don't allow comments about crime stories.
  • Ok lets see if this will work!

    I sure wish Crime victims had some rights when it comes to a continuance!

    It would be a great help if the Saline County Prosecuting Attorney's office would let people know if a court case had been continued so people would not be out of a half a days pay!

    And do not think it was last minute it was not!

    When I went to court today to support a victim I was not allowed into the court room with shorts on (now you may wonder why I would have had shorts on when going to court well I work in a metal building and my employer says it's ok)

    I really did not have a problem with this until they let 3 young ladies go in with short skirts on may I ask what the difference is?

    -- Posted by Gal66 on Thu, Aug 2, 2012, at 2:04 PM
  • Gal66,

    You can always access Casenet on the internet... type in the offender's last and first name and the year the crime was committed... When you locate the appropriate one, click on it. It will bring up a new page... then all you have to do is click on docket entries and it will tell you all you need to know about the case. Good luck.

    Accidentally posted this in the religion section... Sorry Eric!

    -- Posted by brmihe on Thu, Aug 2, 2012, at 4:48 PM
  • brmihe

    When the Prosecuting Attorney's office tells you that they will keep you up to date they should do it.

    -- Posted by Gal66 on Fri, Aug 3, 2012, at 6:27 AM
  • Does anyone know if a person has to have a building permit to rebuild an existing deck and is there an city law as to what time a person can start construction work. Just curious cause i just got out of a week long hospital stay and get woke up at 6:30am to some jerk sawing wood for a deck.

    -- Posted by MIZ_ZOU on Fri, Aug 3, 2012, at 7:19 AM
  • MIZ_ZOU,

    Call the office that gives out the permits and ask them. The number is 886-2653. They should be able to answer the questions you have.

    Sorry that you have an inconsiderate neighbor! Speedy recovery to you though!

    -- Posted by momof3girls on Fri, Aug 3, 2012, at 9:28 AM
  • Aren't EBT cards "food stamps"? Why on earth does a gas station need to take those?? I mean isn't that an oxy moron for the first lady's crusade against childhood obesity and eating healthy?? It's a "convenience" store not a "grocery store"...ah how flawed our government is... NOT to mention other things that I think belong in the policies forum so I won't post then here...

    -- Posted by Scarpetta on Fri, Aug 3, 2012, at 10:07 AM
  • I also love to be behind someone in the grocery store with a cart full of chips, pork rinds, mountain dew and Ho-Ho's.... not a vegetable in sight.... and pay with EBT. My tax dollars hard at work.

    -- Posted by luvthoseowls on Fri, Aug 3, 2012, at 11:04 AM
  • MIZ have you noticed that it is in the 100s lately? Many construction jobs take advantage of the cooler early morning hours for the safety of workers.

    -- Posted by inthemiddle on Fri, Aug 3, 2012, at 12:29 PM
  • When will the election preview be posted for Northern Commissioner? Did one canidate request it to be the last or what?

    -- Posted by willie makit on Fri, Aug 3, 2012, at 3:32 PM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:

    None of the candidates made any requests about the timing of stories.

  • Smokin

    This is one of my pet peeves too.

    -- Posted by meagain on Fri, Aug 3, 2012, at 4:16 PM
  • Smokin & Lov - I'm going to agree with you both!! Honestly I don't get food stamps and car hardly afford to feed my kids healthy meals. I mean isn't there some sort of system to limit what someone can buy?? What's stops those with EBT from purchasing beer, tobacco or lottery on those cards??

    -- Posted by Scarpetta on Fri, Aug 3, 2012, at 6:34 PM
  • I can't believe the audacity or the gall... nerve of some people to run for office after they had a chance and didn't do it right first time.....not even close. I would rather give a new, fresh face a chance before someone who failed before!!!

    -- Posted by bakerman on Fri, Aug 3, 2012, at 8:30 PM
  • Bakerman,

    Not that you asked for my thoughts on the subject, but here they are anyway.

    I would be overjoyed if the voting public would elect new people to every chair being vacated at every election, from local to national.

    We spend virtually no time learning about the people who seek an office, but one common trait seems to be evident - they're all on a self-serving power trip.

    So, I say turn them out at every election since we don't invest the time and energy to find out just how dedicated they are to taking care of the country's business. At some point, those who are only in it for themselves might think twice before attempting to hoodwink the voters.

    Impartial organizations exist which compile information about candidates, and it's up to us to utilize these sources to better educate ourselves.

    -- Posted by Slater on Sat, Aug 4, 2012, at 2:11 PM
  • The EBT card is a card that can be used as a "food" transaction or a "cash" transaction. You may not you food stamps for beer, tobacco, paper goods or anything non-edible. If one does get a cash benefit they could.

    -- Posted by Jessa on Sat, Aug 4, 2012, at 3:49 PM
  • Oklahoma Reader,

    Hope all is well and no fires raging close to you. Prayers and good thoughts sent you way!

    -- Posted by nouveaublogger on Sat, Aug 4, 2012, at 6:30 PM
  • Thank you NB. We are fine though there is literally fire on all sides of us. With my backyard temps running 110 to 115 each day it feels like I am next to a fire.

    I hope all is well with you, and yours.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Aug 4, 2012, at 7:50 PM
  • Well said slater, thanks for your thoughts

    -- Posted by bakerman on Sun, Aug 5, 2012, at 10:30 AM
  • Just came through Indian Foothills Park and noticed that the Sister of Liberty statue was missing. Any information on her whereabouts?

    -- Posted by SalineNative on Sun, Aug 5, 2012, at 1:26 PM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    I just talked to Jeff Stubblefield. He said the statue was taken sometime between 10 p.m. Saturday and about 10:30 a.m. Sunday. I'm working on a brief story now.
  • The old hospital situation is getting a lot of press these days. I think it is safe to say the the housing project has disappeared. I got an idea. How about the building getting placed on the historical register. The city, or an entity thereof, or some interested group, getting together, using the tax credits to finance tearing down the 1955 addition and turning the original building into a museum. It would be a fine place to house the museum and offices of some of the cultural organizations in town. Maybe there can be some type of auditorium for performances of various types. Use your imagination.

    -- Posted by red dog on Sun, Aug 5, 2012, at 4:26 PM
  • Eric. How about starting a special section for the old hospital. Commentators can offer constructive ideas on how too obtain and put the building to good use. There is too much negativity in this town and now there is a new target. This situation needs to be turned into a positive action opportunity. The owner wants to sell. The structure may be placed on the historical register. Tax credit money will be available then. How can we turn this negative into a positive?

    -- Posted by red dog on Sun, Aug 5, 2012, at 4:32 PM
  • Call the local scrap yards in case someone tries to sell it.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Sun, Aug 5, 2012, at 9:39 PM
  • Another thought about the old hospital building and senior housing. I qualify as a senior. I don't much want to wind up in an old re-modeled hospital. I still remember what the old folks home ( poor farm, county farm, county home) looked like after remodeling. Don't do that too me.

    We should be able to get some kind of bond issue going for old folks housing. We can't do it for young folks and new education facilities. We can surely do it for the other end of the spectrum.

    -- Posted by red dog on Sun, Aug 5, 2012, at 10:12 PM
  • Worst case scenario regarding falling down Fitzgibbon; raze it, turn it into a small park using the old bricks to put a brick fence around it, and to build a small brick shelter.

    Or use it for a little kids soccer, and tee ball facility.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Aug 5, 2012, at 11:16 PM
  • Someone stole Lady Liberty? You mean it wasn't bolted down? Well I hope this is a stupid prank amd it is returned.

    -- Posted by momaster on Mon, Aug 6, 2012, at 7:11 AM
  • News,

    I realize that your comment was basically tongue-in-cheek, but you are correct. A correctional facility in Marshall would be a game changer.

    As for tearing down the building, I think there are lead pipes, asbestos problems and other concerns that will be very cost prohibitive. I think the train left the station last week, and all that's left are sunflower petals.

    -- Posted by Interested Too on Mon, Aug 6, 2012, at 10:13 AM
  • Whether it was intended as a crime or a prank, the culprits of the missing Statue of Liberty, once identified, need to be charged and prosecuted.

    First the mailbox bombings, which the kids involved obviously did not learn any lesson from (from their bragging and advertizing of their involvement), now the Statue of Liberty. Not saying these were the same individuals, but regardless, kids and citizens alike need to realize the difference between a harmless prank and a crime.

    -- Posted by mojomama66 on Mon, Aug 6, 2012, at 1:02 PM
  • were you aware that a correctional facility - apart from the saline county jail - already exists in marshall? it's called the "forensics unit" at the marshall habilitation center ...

    -- Posted by zeke on Mon, Aug 6, 2012, at 3:19 PM
  • also - those interested in how to use old buildings in new ways should check out what is going on at the old school in sweet springs ...

    -- Posted by zeke on Mon, Aug 6, 2012, at 3:21 PM
  • zeke,

    The Forensics unit closed last year, and the bulk of the individuals were transferred out.

    -- Posted by Interested Too on Mon, Aug 6, 2012, at 3:54 PM
  • I think that a prison in a residential neighborhood would not go over very well with the citizens. If things are headed in that direction how about just turning it into habitation for the sex offenders residing in central Missouri. Apparently there is a great need for such housing everywhere. LOL

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Aug 6, 2012, at 8:24 PM
  • OKR:

    I wasn't advocating a prison in a residential neighborhood (although I know a few guys who's marriages feel like prison to them...lol). I don't think news was really serious about it either, however, there is apparently a good living to be made working at such a place; and in some cases communities lacking in adequate jobs could embrace such an institution in their area.

    I would prefer that a car plant or Disneyland come to central Missouri, but it seems unlikely.

    Either way, the block that old Fitzy sits on is going down fast and affecting the nice neighborhood around it.

    -- Posted by Interested Too on Tue, Aug 7, 2012, at 7:25 AM
  • Why was my comment about the statue deleted Eric???? I love how you pic and choose what you want comments you want to leave and which ones you want to delete. There was absolutely NOTHING wrong with my comment!!

    -- Posted by Jessa on Tue, Aug 7, 2012, at 12:05 PM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    None of your comments on this subject have been deleted.
  • Jessa - you need to simmer down - your (rant) comments are shown under the article about the theft of the statue.

    -- Posted by pitbull on Tue, Aug 7, 2012, at 2:55 PM
  • Well, it's begun. Let's all watch with delight as the closer the election draws near the higher gas prices will get. Anyone want to guess what gas prices will be come Nov. 3rd? Anyone who doesn't yet believe are owned by the corporations ,....just watch. Just watch.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Tue, Aug 7, 2012, at 4:03 PM
  • I'm a little confused about where the housing authority fits into the scheme of things in Marshall. I don't see anything on the city's website, but I could be missing it. From where do they derive any "authority?"

    -- Posted by Miss Marple on Tue, Aug 7, 2012, at 8:15 PM
  • I have been voting at a church for over 30 Years. My parents voted there as well. This is not a new thing at least in Saline County.

    -- Posted by meagain on Tue, Aug 7, 2012, at 9:41 PM
  • Just a facility to use for elections, news across. Don't worry. There aren't people standing nearby praying when you cast a vote. Or crosses on the ballot. Or hymns being sung. You get the drift.

    Three churches used in Marshall this year for voting.

    -- Posted by AnneD on Tue, Aug 7, 2012, at 9:51 PM
  • How bout seperation of athesim and state?

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Tue, Aug 7, 2012, at 11:26 PM
  • How about seperation of lawyers and state?

    -- Posted by Interested Too on Wed, Aug 8, 2012, at 6:24 AM
  • @Interested 2 - Love it! ROFL

    -- Posted by SalineVoter on Wed, Aug 8, 2012, at 8:50 AM
  • Obviously Australian Wheaties are not of the same high nutritional standards as American Wheaties. 119-86

    -- Posted by Amperage on Thu, Aug 9, 2012, at 8:41 AM
  • Amperage - Please list your peer-reviewed study to back up that statement.

    -- Posted by broke-n-busted on Thu, Aug 9, 2012, at 1:34 PM
  • Please forgive me. The research was conducted by Mr. Kobe Bryant and Mr. LeBron James of the Dream Team Company. Peer reviewed by Mr. Kevin Durant - Thunder Corp. of Oklahoma City and Mr. Mike Krzyzewski -- Duke University. Various other respected experts from an organization called the NBA have weighed in also. This study is most defiantly reproducible but researchers say they need 4 years to prepare.

    SC- I really choose not to throw around my dual citizenship ("Shocking" I know) but I find the resistance just gets me too heated up.

    -- Posted by Amperage on Thu, Aug 9, 2012, at 4:50 PM
  • Very impressive, Amperage. You're sure this is correct information? You're sure you don't have your wires crossed?

    -- Posted by AnneD on Thu, Aug 9, 2012, at 7:02 PM
  • Again - where can I find information about the housing authority? I don't see it on the city's website, but I could be missing it. Who are the members? From where do they derive their authority? Is it a city organization or a county group?

    -- Posted by Miss Marple on Thu, Aug 9, 2012, at 8:06 PM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    Maggie is planning to interview David Hayes to find out more information about the history, people and functions of the organization.
  • Seriously sad it is, that the ugliness that is our decade long Afghanistan fiasco rolls on, and rolls on, with hardly a murmur of protest. Just this week there have been two more occasions resulting in murder of our soldiers by our alleged Afghan allies. Does anyone really care? The silence speaks volumes affirming our apathy.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Aug 9, 2012, at 9:15 PM
  • Oh yes, here is the link to the story regarding my Afghanistan comment. I thought I had better post it to avoid supposition that I was making it up by those who may respond that could not be true, we would not stay in a place where such is occurring for that would be insane. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/09/afghanistan-soldiers-attack-nato_n_1761...

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Aug 9, 2012, at 9:31 PM
  • I never thought much about the general lack of understanding regarding Thomas Jefferson's "wall separating church and state," but maybe this will help clear up any misconception.

    First off, the words "separation of church and state" or any similar words do not appear in the Constitution. Jefferson's intent was based on his view of the inherent evils engendered by a government-mandated religion. Persecution of individuals was common, by the government and by rthe various religious groups against each other, and that same philosophy thrived in the American colonies before the revolution. Jefferson saw that no good would ever come of the government imposing religiious standards on individuals, and he wrote into the Constitution that government shall make no laws respecting the establishment of religion, or the free exercise of individuals to worship however they see fit.

    Therefore, using churuch facilities/properties as polling locations would not violate any provisions of our Constitution.

    -- Posted by Slater on Fri, Aug 10, 2012, at 4:15 PM
  • The separation of church and state that our founders debated, was meant to protect religion from government. Many of the posts I read that show examples of religion interferring with government, our founders would have seen the other way around. In other words, we see it as religion using politics, the founders would have seen it as politics using religion. I have read many posts on here pointing out how religion has caused wars, death, whatever over the centuries. That is one interpretation of the facts. However, the founders would most-likely have interpreted those same facts as governments using religion to justify political acts.

    Look at our rights, whether speech, press, guns, etc., they were all placed to protect individuals from abuse by the government. Not the other way around. It is why a founder such as Jefferson, had no problem with Congress hiring a chaplain, or the President taking the oath on the Bible, or governmental institutions opening or closing with a prayer, but worked to eliminate religious requirements for voting.

    -- Posted by inthemiddle on Fri, Aug 10, 2012, at 4:54 PM
  • No One should be exempt or No business or operation should be free of paying taxes. Every thing should be taxed at one flat tax rate. You should pay in at that rate and no matter what your exemption's are the goverment keep's it. There is no way a person who say pay's in a thousand in Federal tax should turn around at end of year and get a 8-10 thousand refund. One flat tax rate for all no matter what your income and no tax exempt status for any operation.

    -- Posted by Marshall Man on Fri, Aug 10, 2012, at 5:26 PM
  • Anyone heard anything more about our missing statue? I strongly suspect she was taken for the scrap metal value. With other similar statues missing from elsewhere, I also suspect it was done by outsiders, perhaps only a couple of people. I am afraid our statue is in little pieces in a scrapyard somewhere. I can see hope in catching the persons responsible by contacting other towns with similar statues and telling them to be aware. This has probably already been done but we don't know that. At least it should have been done.

    -- Posted by red dog on Fri, Aug 10, 2012, at 6:01 PM
  • Has our Dough Boy statue on the Court House lawn been secured down. If not I hope it doesn't come up gone like at the park. I guess it is made of same copper plate also. Get it fasten down County and City. Please.

    -- Posted by Marshall Man on Fri, Aug 10, 2012, at 8:11 PM
  • What I visualize right now is a cherry picker, log chain and a couple of guys. They wouldn't have any concern about damage as they were stealing the statue for scrap metal. Lift it off, put it in the bed and take off. It could be a cherry picker mounted on a truck chassis or a van chassis. Think about the vans the cable tv and other people use. In a van they could have concealed it inside and boogied out of town. Speculation is easy. Facts are a little harder to come by.

    -- Posted by red dog on Fri, Aug 10, 2012, at 9:48 PM
  • Where there any Police patrol's thru north end of the Park on night our statue was stolen. If so wouldn't those time's be logged so time frame could be more narrowed down or maybe it just wasn't noticed as being gone.

    -- Posted by Marshall Man on Sat, Aug 11, 2012, at 7:30 AM
  • Mr. Crump, thanks for the response. I read further into the article and discovered the names of board members. Does it trouble anyone that at least two of the people on the Housing Authority board are, at the very least, more than financially "comfortable?"

    -- Posted by Miss Marple on Sat, Aug 11, 2012, at 7:46 AM
  • Miss Marple, don't see what issue you would have with board people that have worked hard and made a good life for them self. That feeling is a lot of today's problem with our Country, we should all have the same. We need smart business people on our board's but also these people need to see from the side of the fence of the lower income. We don't need a board made up of people that just stand by their mail box waiting for the 1st of month.

    -- Posted by Marshall Man on Sat, Aug 11, 2012, at 9:22 AM
  • Each and every U.S citizen deserve's and should have the right to be the best they can be and have a chance to achieve that. But with that said they must put effort and desire into that on their own, they should not expect it to just be given to them if they are to lazy or don't care to put effort into it. Yes some people are born into a better situation then other's and by so have a better chance but life is what you make it and were you want your's to go. Should we all be equal in wealth at the cost of taking from the rich and giving it all to the poor and lazy? NO!! Should we help someone who truly wishes to be their best and apply themself? YES!! It's time for AMERICAN'S to quit standing around with their hand out waiting for a free ride. NOTHING is owed to you. You owe it to yourself to be the best you can be and that will take getting off you butt and trying. No Body is owed anything..

    -- Posted by Marshall Man on Sat, Aug 11, 2012, at 10:41 AM
  • Three more Marines shot dead on base by one of our Afghan allies. The insanity continues.


    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Aug 11, 2012, at 11:46 AM
  • Pot Pie, Sorry but there are a lot of hand's out in this country. If you think there aren't a lot of people on the system that wouldn't have it any other way you are sadly wrong. Also a lot of people on the wealthy end also abuse our system. The people you think I must watch I don't, the Rush guy is an idiot. As far as the world, yes it is big, seen a bit of it and the people on it. It is a very real World , you must get in it.

    -- Posted by Marshall Man on Sat, Aug 11, 2012, at 1:52 PM
  • After reading this article it seems to me that "Class Warfare Exists" is about the polar opposite as one can get from "FauxNews". Putting the two together would be equivalent to fighting fire with gasoline. I would also be cautious using an article making use of information from Fareed Zakaria after his recent events. It is not that I really have a strong opinion either way on this subject. I am just saying.

    -- Posted by Amperage on Sat, Aug 11, 2012, at 3:21 PM
  • The Harry Truman's of our society have been replaced by the Barack Obama's and the Mitt Romney's.

    Miss Marple, I know I can't picture the bulk of well-off people making any distinction between the less fortunate who struggle for an honest life and the ones who freeload.

    -- Posted by Slater on Sat, Aug 11, 2012, at 3:39 PM
  • Marshall Man, you're putting up a straw man and knocking him down. I have nothing against people who have actually made it on their own. But those folks are very few and far between. I did not in any way suggest that people "with their hand out" are better fitted for the MHA board. I AM suggesting that with 23% of Marshall's population living below the poverty line (http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/29/2946316.html ), the MHA board's membership should have a more balanced representation of the population. At present, 40% of the board's membership lives at many times the poverty level. They might, therefore, have a less-than-realistic view of what it's like to live below it.

    -- Posted by Miss Marple on Sat, Aug 11, 2012, at 5:16 PM
  • Be careful there MissMarple you are suggesting representation for the disadvantaged, and are now subject to attack by the philistines. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Aug 11, 2012, at 5:58 PM
  • I know, OKR. It's like poking a rabid dog with a stick. But, honestly, I just had to do something to celebrate the arrival of Paul Ryan on the Romney ticket. ;) Let the fun begin...

    -- Posted by Miss Marple on Sat, Aug 11, 2012, at 6:13 PM
  • My first reaction to the Ryan selection is:

    The Ryan Express is rollin' down the track,

    cars full of rich folks who have his back.

    Ain't no room for sick folks on the Paul Ryan train.

    The're all back at the station, standin' in the rain. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Aug 11, 2012, at 8:15 PM
  • Is this the Politic's blog?

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Sat, Aug 11, 2012, at 9:53 PM
  • Don't think so Jason; of course we have grounds to ask you the same question. I guess it depends whose ox is being gored as to who objects huh buddy? ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Aug 11, 2012, at 10:33 PM
  • Well said NanaDot!!!

    I'm going out on a limb here by saying I don't think their is anyone out there who is unemployed because they WANT to be, who is homeless because they WANT to be, who is begging because they WANT to. For that matter, show me an illegal immigrant who is living in this country because they WANT to; an immigrant with nothing, who has left their wife and children behind, unable to speak the language, working their hands to the bone and sending every penny they make back home to put food on the table for their families that they may never see again.

    -- Posted by mojomama66 on Sun, Aug 12, 2012, at 2:37 PM
  • Couldn't agree more, Nana Dot - and Slater, yeah, I can't picture that either. If I hear one more person spout the ridiculous nonsense I've heard many, many times about how Marshall is a "mecca" for people who want handouts, I will scream. That is the purest, most unadulterated balderdash I've heard in my life. Where that particular nonsense was generated, I don't know, but I have heard it more than once and it's all I can do to keep from slapping the person who says it. There might be some people who enjoy living on welfare and handouts, but I would rather support those few along with the ones who really need it, than let someone go hungry or children go without shoes. And it will come as no surprise to note that the people who say that the most often - in my experience - are the ones with the most cash and the least experience of living without it.

    -- Posted by Miss Marple on Sun, Aug 12, 2012, at 4:11 PM
  • Well said too all! The Government should,( and have the obligation) to take care of the basic needs of the People! The big Dog's will eat you alive if the Government don't do their job,and keep them in check! That's what we paid for all through the Years! There's going to be a time that everyone will need help in their life! Socialized America,Neighbors helping Neighbors is what made this Nation,since time began!Not everyone will be a success in life? They have Law's to take care of the one's that plays the System, if they do their job! Don't punish the one's that have tried in life! This is supposed to be a Christian Nation! That's B.S ! Im an Atheist, and have more compassion for People than the big Government pretenders!

    -- Posted by Jo on Sun, Aug 12, 2012, at 7:49 PM
  • mojomoma66 - Completely agree with you - nobody WANTS to be poor. Why is that so hard for some people to understand? Nobody wants or plans or works hard to be poor.

    -- Posted by Miss Marple on Sun, Aug 12, 2012, at 8:11 PM
  • Hey Oklahoma,say my friend i have been wondering what ever happened to White Tornado. Also i wonder if News is doing ok? Haven't seen any Post for awhile. You been doing ok? I new Tornado's Step Father & Mother,or my Mother was friends with them. I was just a little guy,but remember them well! Thought you might know something or someone else on here,might! Thank!

    -- Posted by Jo on Mon, Aug 13, 2012, at 12:40 AM
  • Jo I think WT is probably doing well, and has just moved on to other fish he prefers to fry. I do not have contact with, nor have I had contact with any members of his family since I left Marshall in the early 1960s.

    Life is good for me, and I hope the same for you.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Aug 13, 2012, at 11:57 AM
  • Glad everyone is good! Yea News, i wish i could join you in a laugh about these Politicians! But i have lost faith with the Electorate in this Country! Then ad on the dishonesty in the system! And in Ohio they are trying to extend the Voting time for the Republican Counties and a big NO for the Democratic Counties! Is that not in your face, dishonest, i don't know what is! I think there is a Law Suite been filed? But hell they are the Law! Were is the Peoples anger? Whats going on? Oklahoma,nana,news,Slater! This is what i'm talking about,flatout in your face dishonesty!and the American's just sit back and don't raise an eyebrow? Another Rant for the Month!! I can see you taking a break from Posting awhile. Glad its all good! Thanks my Friend!

    -- Posted by Jo on Mon, Aug 13, 2012, at 8:06 PM
  • If you don't get a laugh out of this one have some one immediately check your pulse.


    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Aug 13, 2012, at 10:22 PM
  • Yeah News, my brother sent me an e mail of that one. When I finally was able to stop laughing I knew that I must immediately share it on this blog.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Aug 13, 2012, at 11:20 PM
  • Ah don't be such a curmudgeon CPp. Credibility, and currentness isn't always crucial to comedy. I'm sorry for you that you didn't enjoy it. I hope that your funny bone isn't broken. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Aug 14, 2012, at 1:10 PM
  • (aren't)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Aug 14, 2012, at 1:12 PM
  • Just a thought for those who don't think anyone is too LAZY to work. I know a 21 year old man, and I use that term loosely, that does not have a job because he doesn't want one. He has a girlfriend who works a part time job. They have a daughter to care for. He has told me that he will not work a job that does not pay well because it is not worth his time. In other words, he does not want to work and why should he because the State of MO is making sure that his needs are met and providing for him just fine. He did not finish school and is to LAZY to obtain his GED. He doesn't have a drivers license simply because he is to LAZY and it gives him another excuse not to work because he can't get there. People are just Lazy and unfortunately we can't just think that everyone is struggling becuase of their unfortunate situation.

    -- Posted by kkmom on Wed, Aug 15, 2012, at 6:23 AM
  • kkmom.....I have a distant cousin who has the same attitude. Wants to make money but wants it the easy way, doesn't want to work hard or work his way up the ladder. Too bad he doesn't have a whole lot of talents that would allow him to achieve this pipedream.

    -- Posted by momaster on Wed, Aug 15, 2012, at 7:30 AM
  • If we didn't have to foot the bill for being the world's policeman....wait a minute that might cut into the profits of defense contractors.

    I havn't seen it but I wonder if anyone here is as appalled as I at the show "Stars for Stripes" ? What a slap in the face to those who have faced "real" combat.

    Real bullets...real explosions. That's their tagline. There is nothing "real" about it.

    This my friends is where we are at in our society and this is why we sell weapons at the grocery store.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Aug 15, 2012, at 9:49 AM
  • Nana.. I know of several people who fit this same description but would not be able to describe them all in this post. Unfortunately it is not an exception story.

    -- Posted by kkmom on Wed, Aug 15, 2012, at 9:58 AM
  • Kkmom do you know any poor people that work two jobs, have two, or three kids, and just barely get by? Or, in your mind is that just a myth that is not happening in America, the land of opportunity?

    Do you know ANY people that are hard working, but barely get by? Do you know any older people that lost their job, and can't find another job because businesses prefer to hire younger workers?

    Do you even know any people with limited physical strength, limited intellect, that work as hard, and as much as they are able, but still live on the edge of poverty, or is that just another myth propagated by loony lefties?

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Aug 15, 2012, at 10:16 AM
  • OKR, I am one of those people who works more than one job and overtime to provide for my children. I want them to them to know it takes hard work to have things in life and that they shouldn't stand with their hands out!

    -- Posted by kkmom on Wed, Aug 15, 2012, at 11:01 AM
  • kkmom,

    You really should be careful how you judge people. It may be one of your very own children in a situation that needs help from others. Would you want others to judge your children when they don't know the full circumstances? There are many, many things in life that can lead to one living in poverty and receiving assistance.

    -- Posted by Jessa on Wed, Aug 15, 2012, at 11:10 AM
  • Maybe some people don't want "things". Maybe they want to be one of the people who actually wants to be with their children and not run the risk of someone abusing their children while they work. Maybe their children are more important than "things".

    -- Posted by toesrcute on Wed, Aug 15, 2012, at 11:17 AM
  • And I am not saying that should give them the right to handouts. Just stating some are willing to do without the "things" so that they can have more time with their children.

    -- Posted by toesrcute on Wed, Aug 15, 2012, at 11:20 AM
  • Let me clarify a few things. I am teaching my kids to work smarter as they watched as I went through school to obtain a degree to get a better job and career. When I say provide them with "things", that means a roof over their heads, food on the table, and anything else that meets their needs. I do not have a problem with people receiving assistance when they need it! I do have a problem with people who are completely able to work but choose not to.

    -- Posted by kkmom on Wed, Aug 15, 2012, at 11:49 AM
  • I believe that any person recieving State or Federal aid should be subjected to mandatory DRUG TESTING!! I work 40 plus hours a week, and get tested randomly. I help pay for these "handouts"! Its only fair, dont you think?

    -- Posted by willie makit on Wed, Aug 15, 2012, at 11:51 AM
  • So, Chicken, you think its ok?

    -- Posted by willie makit on Wed, Aug 15, 2012, at 12:07 PM
  • Willie makeit,

    I completely agree!! But, not everyone on public assistance uses drugs. Like I said before, there are many, many reasons some people HAVE to be on assistance and we should all know better than to judge because one day it could be one of us or one of our loved ones.

    -- Posted by toesrcute on Wed, Aug 15, 2012, at 12:08 PM
  • Willie,

    Are those random drug tests sent to a lab? Do they check creatine levels to make sure you are not flushing?

    -- Posted by toesrcute on Wed, Aug 15, 2012, at 12:11 PM
  • They are observed tests! Dont believe I judged anybody, anymore than I am standing there holding a cup of urine so I can continue to provide for my family!

    -- Posted by willie makit on Wed, Aug 15, 2012, at 12:36 PM
  • I think people need to consider the bigger picture when it comes to drug testing people who receive assistance. Nearly all public assistance is provided to help the CHILDREN of the person it is given to. Take away the assistance, and it is hurting the CHILDREN for whom it was intended. These kids didn't ask to be born to drug users, and they shouldn't be punished for it.

    -- Posted by born-n-raised on Wed, Aug 15, 2012, at 12:40 PM
  • Willie,

    I apologize. Your statement about the drug testing led me to believe you think people on assistance do drugs.

    -- Posted by toesrcute on Wed, Aug 15, 2012, at 12:40 PM
  • Born-n-raised,

    I agree with that too. The way I understand it is the children will continue to receive but the person who tested positive would be ineligible.

    -- Posted by toesrcute on Wed, Aug 15, 2012, at 12:44 PM
  • Place those CHILDREN with non drug user foster parents! Take away the assistance the parent was getting, give some or all to the foster parents! I agree, not the childrens fault! Someway somehow break the cycle!

    -- Posted by willie makit on Wed, Aug 15, 2012, at 12:50 PM
  • Not judging, ChickenPot! Just tired of my tax dollars NOT being used correctly! Why are you so against drugtesting? Stand up taxpayers...its our money!

    -- Posted by willie makit on Wed, Aug 15, 2012, at 12:59 PM
  • Plenty of people are addicted to legal drugs as well. Are we going to test for alcohol, tobacco and prescription drugs? Drugs are drugs right? Only some have much better lobbyists.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Aug 15, 2012, at 1:03 PM
  • Im tested for legal and illegal drugs! I guess Im getting picked on then! I thought I was getting tested for my safety and the safety of my co-workers!

    -- Posted by willie makit on Wed, Aug 15, 2012, at 1:10 PM
  • You must smoke alot of your middle name! Lol

    -- Posted by willie makit on Wed, Aug 15, 2012, at 1:15 PM
  • Will you give a urine sample or hair folicle to prove yourself? I have! All Im looking for is that OUR tax dollars be used in the right manner. Do you have any concerns with your tax dollars going to drug addicted parents?!!!

    -- Posted by willie makit on Wed, Aug 15, 2012, at 1:32 PM
  • willie makit I also think people that get assistance should be tested.

    I do not work at a place that test's now but if the owner said your all getting tested it would not be a problem for me!

    -- Posted by Gal66 on Wed, Aug 15, 2012, at 1:33 PM
  • What about all the people getting prescribed "happy pills" such as xanax and valium and working under the influence of those???? Oh, that's right, they have a script so that makes it ok.

    I agree with you CPP....we have bigger things to worry about such as the ones you mentioned.

    -- Posted by toesrcute on Wed, Aug 15, 2012, at 2:01 PM
  • Pot...I could careless if your on drugs or not! What Im saying is it is not RIGHT for our tax dollars to be used in the way they are! The issues you brought up are ones that should be addressed also.

    -- Posted by willie makit on Wed, Aug 15, 2012, at 2:17 PM
  • Don't look now folks but we are all victims of the ol' "bait and switch" . The is a classic wedge issue just like god, guns, gays etc. The powers that be just love to have us fighting about these silly issues in the trenches because we take our eyes off the ball. "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain" so to speak, It's our fault and we should all be ashamed of ourselves for letting it happen. Let's all pay attention. That'll really make'em mad!

    All hail the corporation.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Aug 15, 2012, at 2:20 PM
  • Sorry to misrepresent that I work two full time jobs as that is not the case. After obtaining my degree I make a nice salary. But it took alot of hard work to get that point.

    -- Posted by kkmom on Wed, Aug 15, 2012, at 3:41 PM
  • I for one will stop griping about drug testing, and prison sentences for potsellers, and users when they make it a level playing field.

    By that I mean when they start imprisoning people who sell, manufacture, or use alcoholic substances. Alcohol causes more deaths, more illness, more social dysfunction than all the rest combined. That's o. k. because it is legal? What hypocritical balderdash.

    It is also time to start putting drug pushing Doctors, and those who are users with prescriptions in prison. Those drugs (oxycontin, et al) also cause more problems than marijuana, as do their pushers, and users. Lock 'em all up! We can't do that you say? We don't have room nor money to do so you say? Then we don't have room, nor money to do it to pot heads, and pot sellers either. Let's stop the illogical hypocrisy, and treat all the things that cause the same problems the same way.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Aug 15, 2012, at 4:37 PM
  • Oklahoma Reader,

    AMEN!! AMEN!! AMEN!!

    -- Posted by BellyJeans on Wed, Aug 15, 2012, at 5:34 PM
  • KKMOM,

    WOW! Evidently you are teaching your children to lie. Why would say you worked two jobs and then come back and say you don't??

    -- Posted by BellyJeans on Wed, Aug 15, 2012, at 5:41 PM
  • Oklahoma Reader,

    You hit the nail on the head!! I am so glad you said this and you did a mighty fine job of saying it as well!! Most people don't want to face those FACTS!!!

    -- Posted by toesrcute on Wed, Aug 15, 2012, at 5:46 PM
  • kkmom,

    Do you have a problem with someone who chooses not to work and does not receive any assistance whatsoever??

    -- Posted by toesrcute on Wed, Aug 15, 2012, at 5:59 PM
  • toesrcute I will not answer for KKMOM but for myself why on earth would anyone have a problem with that!

    As far as pot goes it should have been legal long time and taxed just like other tobacco products.

    -- Posted by Gal66 on Wed, Aug 15, 2012, at 6:15 PM
  • Gal66

    These are kkmom's words :

    " I do have a problem with people who are completely able to work but choose not to."

    which leads to my question.

    -- Posted by toesrcute on Wed, Aug 15, 2012, at 6:18 PM
  • No I do not have a problem with people who choose not to work and do not receive assistance. As far as lying, maybe my comment needs to be reread. I do not work two FULL time jobs. You can make whatever you want of it. I provide for my family without relying on others to do it for me.

    -- Posted by kkmom on Wed, Aug 15, 2012, at 7:07 PM
  • KKMOM,

    Hats off to you then. If you can work two jobs and pay for childcare and do all that you have accomplished completely and entirely on your own you deserve to toot your own horn. Good for you!

    -- Posted by toesrcute on Wed, Aug 15, 2012, at 7:51 PM
  • So...is it OK that people who recieve state and federal aid do not take drug tests?

    -- Posted by willie makit on Wed, Aug 15, 2012, at 7:52 PM
  • I agree with the comment about the problem being much, much larger than most all that is discussed here. I see some in situations that the programs are very beneficial for and the only way for the family to sustain any kind of life without resorting to third-world country living style. The problem is the administration of the government programs and the lack of oversight and responsibility by our officials, elected and employed. As I think about third-world countries, I wish all you people could walk through, NOT drive through some of the "hoods" in Kansas City and observe how some live there. Take a trip to the back hollows of Kentucky, Tennessee and even New York State and you might be surprised.

    -- Posted by red dog on Wed, Aug 15, 2012, at 7:57 PM
  • Is it usual for the County Courthouse offices to close at 4:30? I ran in at 4:34 today to take care of some business and everything was shut down.

    -- Posted by Amy Crump on Wed, Aug 15, 2012, at 8:08 PM
  • Willie,

    It has been proven it would cost waaaayyyy more than what it would save us taxpayers so I think we should leave it alone. Just my opinion. One other thing to think about is what would happen if someone tested positive for something they didn't do. If they are on limited income they could not fight it.

    -- Posted by toesrcute on Wed, Aug 15, 2012, at 8:25 PM
  • OKR,

    I am with you. Let's resurrect Eliot Ness and the Untouchables. They can raid the White House with sledge hammers in hand and put those beer brewing hypocrites out of the alcohol manufacturing business. ;-)

    -- Posted by Amperage on Wed, Aug 15, 2012, at 8:43 PM
  • toesrcute posted "It has been proven it would cost waaaayyyy more than what it would save us taxpayers"

    I would like to see where you found the facts that show that.

    -- Posted by Gal66 on Wed, Aug 15, 2012, at 10:03 PM
  • Gal66 most evidence leans toward supporting the conclusion that due to lower failure rates than many anticipated, the cost of testing is greater than the savings in welfare benefits curtailed. That is the economic side of the issue. There also is a constitutional issue as there is a strong case made that such action is unconstitutional.

    I know you may not have time to research it yourself, nor may toesrcute, so here are three links that cover the situation, each from a different perspective.




    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Aug 15, 2012, at 11:10 PM
  • LOL Amperage.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Aug 15, 2012, at 11:12 PM
  • Does anyone other than me think it funny that nearly 5% of the voters in the current poll clicked on a dot that has only blank space next to it, instead of any one of the four that tells you what you are voting for?

    A curious lot that nearly five percent. I suppose that some of them actually saw words of their own choosing there, the sort of folks that can read something everyone else does, and interprets it as no one else does. I bet they were eager to click the opinion they saw. There may have been others that are just really comfortable with a blank space, and want to register their pleasure at that.

    Then there is the habitual type who have always just clicked the last button because they want everyone to know they have no opinion, and by golly that has always been what the last button meant. Heck there may have even been other participants that are so paranoid that they never, even secretly, let anyone know what they are thinking. What a relief it must be to those folks to express an opinion, and still no one knows for sure what they were thinking.

    Maybe we should have a poll registering what folks think is the reason that some will click a solitary dot.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Aug 16, 2012, at 12:21 AM
  • Now its 5.1% :)

    -- Posted by moodyblue on Thu, Aug 16, 2012, at 1:15 AM
  • OKR thanks for the links.

    I have to admit that I did not think toesrcute was posting about the drug testing, I assumed (we all know what we get when we assume) toesrcute was posting about it not being cost effective to do something about fruad.

    -- Posted by Gal66 on Thu, Aug 16, 2012, at 7:37 AM
  • OKR, you're attempting to make the mountain from the molehill.

    Choice #5 is now at 6.8%, including my vote.

    -- Posted by Slater on Thu, Aug 16, 2012, at 2:12 PM
  • LOL my friend.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Aug 16, 2012, at 4:02 PM
  • -- Posted by toesrcute on Thu, Aug 16, 2012, at 6:01 PM
  • I note that Representative Cleaver, Democrat, has come back to Saline County, and Marshall again to visit, and get acquainted with the folks. It has not been all that long since he was last here.

    That got me to thinking, and I did some checking. It appears that in her entire time as representative of Saline County, Vicky Hartzler, Republican, has not once visited the county, nor Marshall. At the least there is no mention of a visit in the MDN's search engine, and one would naturally believe such a visit would have been worthy of remark in the MDN. She did apparently send a staffer to the area a couple of times to deliver to her second hand what local folks have to say.

    It seems to me that is inexcusable neglect of her constituency, and strong evidence that the only opinion she cares about is that of her Republican Party superiors, to say nothing of the obvious embarrassment to Republican Party stalwarts in Saline County.

    That may be something to consider when considering whether to vote Democratic, or Republican in the upcoming election.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Aug 16, 2012, at 7:47 PM
  • OKR

    Did you accidently post on the wrong blog?

    -- Posted by sheepdip on Thu, Aug 16, 2012, at 8:03 PM
  • Why would it be unconstitunal to drug test people drawing welfare or disablity?

    Anyone that is working has to pass a drug test. So why if you get something for nothing shouldn't you have to pass a drug test?

    -- Posted by sheepdip on Thu, Aug 16, 2012, at 8:08 PM
  • Nope dip, I was commenting on a story just above where you are reading now. In proximus wouldn't you say, in more than one way. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Aug 16, 2012, at 8:56 PM
  • Interestingly enough there have been a few states that have passed laws requiring mandatory, suspicionless drug testing of welfare applicants. Florida, Georgia, and Michigan. These have been blocked and challenged by federal courts as unconstitutional under the 4th Amendment. To work around this Missouri, Arizona, Utah, and Oklahoma HB2388 have produced laws that include a prior screening process to meet the "reasonable suspicion" requirement of the 4th Amendment. So far I don't think any of these "reasonable suspicion" laws have been challenged as unconstitutional but I imagine that is coming sometime soon. Any law passed that may have an unconstitutional impact should be challenged.

    To add another twist to welfare reform North Carolina and New Jersey were looking to require people to perform community service in order to receive government help. I don't know if that concept faded away or not. It is late and I am just too tired to look it up.

    -- Posted by Amperage on Fri, Aug 17, 2012, at 12:23 AM
  • So for those of you that see drug testing for people getting assistance as unconstitutional I have a question.

    If or when there is an assult on the Second Amendment will you take the same stand?

    -- Posted by Gal66 on Fri, Aug 17, 2012, at 7:24 AM
  • Gal66...most wont! As for me....YES!!!

    -- Posted by willie makit on Fri, Aug 17, 2012, at 8:00 AM
  • G66 I for one would be opposed to an assault on any of the amendments, so would most others. The real question each of our consciences, and rational minds must determine is whether or not a specific action is truly an assault on an amendment to our Constitution.

    Why are we even discussing second amendment gun rights at this moment? There is no viable threat in any of the three branches of our federal government to curtail them in any way at the moment.

    We are discussing it because it is one of a trio red herrings that have been around so long that they stink. The problem is that you have to wake up, and smell the coffee, before you can smell the stench of red herrings. It of course is otherwise difficult to sniff the rotten fish, that difficulty being because our sense of smell is overwhelmed by steaming mountains of fresh B.S. on a daily basis.

    Good luck to you, good luck to us all, as we each do our best to determine truth.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Aug 17, 2012, at 11:05 AM
  • I was just checking out the registration form for the Car Show, but it didn't say anywhere when the car show is. Can we get a little more info Eric?

    -- Posted by luvthoseowls on Fri, Aug 17, 2012, at 11:25 AM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    I believe it will be on the Marshall square. We'll get more info out soon.
  • I know I'm running a page or two behind, but it doesn't matter.

    OKR, your comment about Cleaver vs. Hartzler (sp) visitations brought to mind our federal district representatives. Currently we have a republican in that chair, who has yet to set foot in the community since the election. His predecessor, a democrat, was here several times during his tenure, holding streetcorner and town hall type meetings, and we got a phone recording alerting us to when and where he would be appearing. Before the democrat, it was another republican who never made an appearance here during his time in the seat.

    I don't know if this is a typical pattern by party, but it seems that way for this area.

    A legitimate question could be raised as to why the democrat lost his seat, and my best assessment is that he was a victim of the times, of the way the political wind (hot air) has been blowing. He's preparing to try and get his seat back.

    I'm not in favor of our legislators spending a lot of time away from where their work is, but I do favor constituent contact if it results in beneficial action for the common good. (I'm almost laughing derisively at myself for this last statement.)

    Anyway, it all seems to be for show. Gingrich telling that reporter the American people are too stupid to be involved in politics always keeps coming back to mind.

    -- Posted by Slater on Fri, Aug 17, 2012, at 11:25 AM
  • I agree Slater that Republicans seem to trend more in that direction. However there are exceptions, my own congressman, creepy James Lankford is one, he is back in the district regularly. He may be an exception because about seventy percent of we Okies love Southern Baptist Youth Ministers, which is what he was, he likely comes home to feel the love.

    As to Gingrich, one of his political failings is that on rare occasions he blurts the brutal truth. In effect at least saying the emperor has on no pants. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Aug 17, 2012, at 12:20 PM
  • In Hartzler's defense, almost immediately upon her winning the seat, the redistricting took Saline county out of her area. Throw in the fact that Saline county went for Ike, I can't really blame her for not spending much time here. I wouldn't get all lovey-dovey with Cleaver just yet. The first time he has to vote on legislation that would benefit the KC area at the expense of us country folk, I'm sure we'll find out who he's really in bed with.

    -- Posted by outsider on Fri, Aug 17, 2012, at 12:22 PM
  • This blog sure nuff has gone back to politics, mea culpa. Politics effects so much of our lives that it is hard to avoid in the stream of conversation. Anyway it's back to the political blog for me, for now. I want to leave plenty of room for car show questions, and such. Otherwise they may get lost in the brouhaha. :)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Aug 17, 2012, at 12:28 PM
  • See my response to you on the political blog Outsider, if you are interested. :)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Aug 17, 2012, at 12:30 PM
  • Well OKR I really did not think we were discussing gun rights, I thought I asked about showing the same support for all of our constitutional rights, yes I could have worded in better as I did not see that until some one obviously more INTELLIGENT than I pointed it out!

    OKR I respect your right to think the way you do it is after all your right to have an opinion.

    We will just have to agree to disagree on whether or not there are any viable threats in any of the three branches of our federal government.

    -- Posted by Gal66 on Fri, Aug 17, 2012, at 1:41 PM
  • I am so happy that the individual that was taking money from the benefit and fundraiser cans around town has been caught and prosecuted. That money is being raised for good causes to help people out and now have been shorted. Thank You to Northside Convenience Employees!!

    -- Posted by Pink and Black on Fri, Aug 17, 2012, at 3:41 PM
  • Who was stealing money from fundraiser cans?

    -- Posted by red dog on Fri, Aug 17, 2012, at 4:00 PM
  • Fair 'nuff G66. :)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Aug 17, 2012, at 4:05 PM
  • Not sure who it was, but do know they got money from Casey's and Northside Convenience. Its a shame that people steal donated money from people in need!! Just know she got cought stealing gum and that's how she is getting prosecuted.

    -- Posted by Pink and Black on Fri, Aug 17, 2012, at 4:24 PM
  • I am going to get some major heat but I notice when liberals are posting there is no one moderating this and asking them to stop or removing the comments.

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Fri, Aug 17, 2012, at 10:08 PM
  • @Jason,

    I've had plenty of comments removed. And I'm a card carrying pinko liberal, or so I've been told.

    Would you like to let us know what comment you think should have been removed?

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Sat, Aug 18, 2012, at 5:54 AM
  • Sister of Liberty statue. I was curious about the worth of the scrap copper. She was made (past tense) out of stamped copper over a wooden frame. Total weight about 290 lbs. Sold for about $350.00 each. About 200 made. Some have been stolen, scrapped or stored. About 100 being exhibited have been tracked down. A couple of years ago (from article) there are 22 grades of scrap copper from a low of .54c a pound to a high of $4.00 a pound. If the scrap were the highest quality, the worth would have been around $116.00 plus or minus. I hope the miserable wretches are caught.

    -- Posted by red dog on Sat, Aug 18, 2012, at 12:38 PM
  • Some Liberals even go to church before they hit the shooting range. They are also very good at starting families with midwestern values (not a squirrel or doe is safe from a Liberal).

    -- Posted by Interested Too on Sat, Aug 18, 2012, at 6:31 PM
  • News:

    Have you seen how inept the Liberals have been at taking guns away?

    They are just as inept as Conservatives have been at outlawing abortion and putting those doctors and law breaking girls in prison.

    Could it be that Conservatives are using both arguments as campaign tools and that they don't really care about those 2 issues?

    Would they LIE to us?

    -- Posted by Interested Too on Sat, Aug 18, 2012, at 6:34 PM
  • No News.

    Faux News is not even on my radar of relevance.

    I am talking about how W had carte blanche for just about anything he wanted, and he got nowhere near his stated goal of reversing Roe V. Wade, and the house never even voted on any issue relating to that topic.

    Also, if Libs really wanted to get rid of guns, do you think they would have emptied their guns (metaphorically speaking) at the Healthcare topic?

    All politicians do is listen to their lobbyists, and it is not in the lobbyists's best interest to have these issues truly brought to the fore, or else it would have happened.

    -- Posted by Interested Too on Sat, Aug 18, 2012, at 6:52 PM
  • Sacred, Nothing is sacred anymore News!They have this System set up just like they like it! And People can't see it! Your Lucky you live there,wish i did!

    -- Posted by Jo on Sat, Aug 18, 2012, at 7:19 PM
  • NanaDot,

    How or why should the rules be different in the cities as opposed to the rural community to own firearms? I thought the rule was the right to keep and bear arms. What does the term "loose guns" mean? What does the "Tea Party" have to do with gun violence? Are a lot of politicians shooting people or advocating shooting people? Of course HONEST people have guns, with the exception of; in-the-line of duty, self-defense, and maybe some accidents; anyone using a gun to rob, kill or harm someone is a criminal by definition. No gun law can predict or control someone from taking a turn for the worst killing themselves or their family. Fully automatic assault weapons (sometimes commonly referred to as Machine Guns) have been stringently restricted by the Federal Government since the 1934 NFA. Current law allows qualifying citizens (if state law allows) to purchase a transferable machine gun made prior to 1986 with a very extensive background check, letter from sheriff, finger prints, picture, and a $200 excise tax. No interstate transports of these weapons are allowed and because there is only a limited supply, the costs of these firearms range from $4000 to $100,000 or more. Anyone possessing a "fully automatic assault weapon" had to obtain it by theft, black market smuggling, or making an illegal mechanical conversion all which would make that person a criminal.

    I own guns including handguns and "semi automatic weapons". I very rarely hunt. I am NOT a member of the NRA. I have CCW permit passing a curriculum based on NRA safety guidelines. Many law enforcement agencies endorse their efforts. I would conclude by using the same logic as you began with. When the police are comfortable not wearing their side arms and body armor then I would consider surrendering mine. We both know that has no chance of happening.

    -- Posted by Amperage on Sun, Aug 19, 2012, at 12:25 AM
  • Actually news I doubt that very much. The theater was filled with smoke by the shooter, couple that with body armor and a wave of scrambling people and the chances of a hero shooter having a nice, clean line of sight go out the window. Thing change when people are actually shooting at you.

    This I belive is part of our problem here, we've seen way too many movies. We think our gun battles will go the way of the good guy, standing tall, firing with uncanny accuracy where only the bad guys get hit.

    Real life gunights just don't happen that way. Much like religion, we have immersed ourselves in a fantasy world that is far removed from reality.

    When this happens again, and it will, we should not act stunned, surprised or shocked.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Sun, Aug 19, 2012, at 7:45 AM
  • A number of people in the Aurora movie theater were active military. Likely others in the audience had military service/training. People with firearms training and experience are potential resources in protecting themselves and others when licensed for concealed carry and allowed to carry.

    A major issue in this, the 2011 Arizona Giffords incident and others is the failure of the mental health system. In Aurora and Arizona, school officials knew the mass murderers were problematic, but there was no prevention.

    Most schizophrenics, even those with paranoia, don't harm others. But some do, with means ranging from bombs to knives (mostly kitchen knives), to baseball bats. Bombs can kill more people than a single shooter. However, the rogue schizophrenic Unibomber mailed only small ones, but he remained uncaught and active for years. Current practice is to allow the seriously mentally ill dangerous people to act out, then put them in prison, making prisons surrogate mental institutions.

    -- Posted by former editor on Sun, Aug 19, 2012, at 8:37 AM
  • Former Editor,

    I agree with your comment but let's couple that with the fact that we can now buy semi-automatic, combat designed assualt weapons at the grocery store.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Sun, Aug 19, 2012, at 9:27 AM
  • There seemed to be conflicting reports concerning if Colorado shooter was actually wearing bullet resistant/ballistic armor or tactical grab that is not bullet resistant. I am not aware of the official report but I am sure it is or will be in the court records. The assailant deployed smoke in order to successfully cause confusion and panic among his victims. Smoke can also cause a disadvantage to the user because it also provides cover for possible defenders. The military uses smoke for both these scenarios. The guy could have just tossed homemade pipe bombs in the place causing casualties and panic. Reports lead me to believe he had the expertise to construct those types of devices. I guess getting to the discussion could a patron with a weapon and legal concealment permit made any difference changing the outcome of the tragedy? The answer is who knows. The argument could be made that any citizen packing a gun, no matter what their training would have no impact because their bullets would just ricochet off his bullet proof vest in a harmless display of sparks. It wouldn't make a difference because the room was dark and filled with smoke not allowing a clear sight picture or a person would be helplessly intimidated by the sheer magnitude of semi-automatic fire power before them. Maybe the opposite argument would be a carefully placed shot in the shooter's right eye would drop him in his tracks saving everyone. That is radical and off base.

    So the answer must be do nothing and trample over the toddler down the aisle running for the exit praying you and your family aren't stuck last in line? Maybe duck under the flimsy plastic and foam theater seat hoping you won't randomly be slaughtered like a lamb? My way of thinking is to draw my sidearm and take my best shots. At the very least I become a threat to him. Likely he will pause and engage me. Possibly I would be shot to death but just maybe my action would give my family and perhaps the children of another family the seconds they need to escape. What if two other defenders joined in? Now the shooter has to engage multiple targets mostly likely to cause him to take cover or die. This situation would give our families even more time to escape to safety.

    My point is, in this case given the resource (defensive weapon and training) and even a chance of some reasonable success (saving one or more lives) that person might find the courage to take action. To take a position that this was a no win scenario even if the venue had patrons with legally concealed weapons is a lack in critical thinking and an exercise in apathy.

    -- Posted by Amperage on Sun, Aug 19, 2012, at 1:10 PM
  • ...compliments of the NRA.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Sun, Aug 19, 2012, at 3:13 PM
  • In lieu of making comments about guns/availability/control and/or comments about mandated drug tests for welfare recipients, I offer the following:

    If anyone is interested, Diana Nyad (remember her?) is in the process of another attempt to swim the 103 miles across the Straits of Florida, from Cuba to the U.S.

    Soon to be 63 (Wednesday), her trainer says she's in the best shape of her life, and, barring any stiff opposition from the elements, should succeed this time.

    -- Posted by Slater on Sun, Aug 19, 2012, at 3:26 PM

    (A short play)

    (Outside a theatre passers by, and hangers on who could not get in to the sold out show, scream, drop, and cover as the sound of multiple gun shots comes from the theatre. People rush out of the building, some bleeding, surrounded by a curtain of smoke. Police arrive.)

    Faces in the crowd yelling: "OMG the place is full of shooters" "terrorists" "one may be down" "you can't see in there."

    Officer in Charge: "We'll get 'em! ICD-10! ICD-10! Let's roll!

    (A deafening roar of gun fire, much louder than the first, explodes from within the theatre. Screams rise again as people outside drop, and cover. Some stand across the street next to the buildings from which the echos repeat the sound of madness. Some video the scene.)

    A Conservative: Thank God for guns.

    A Liberal: Both of the Waynes would love this.

    A Simpleton: People are dying!

    (fade to black)

    The End.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Aug 19, 2012, at 3:50 PM
  • This nugget from Todd Akin, challenger to your Senator McCaskill; he said today that "legitimate rape rarely causes pregnancy" as he defended his stand against abortions for victims of rape.

    Not only is his statement morally abhorrent to most women, it should be to most men.

    Beyond that he displayed that he is essentially dimwitted, as in the mold of Dan Quayle, by even using the term "legitimate rape". What sort of person would ever even use the term legitimate rape? Rape never, ever is legitimate, why doesn't he know that? One should think twice before casting a vote for this mentally, and morally challenged candidate.

    By the way,both Mitt Romney, and Paul Ryan immediately disavowed Akin's statement.


    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Aug 19, 2012, at 11:22 PM
  • I guess it does not matter that Akin is a bonehead.

    Even after being disavowed by Romney/Ryan; he still only admits to misspeaking.

    Why doesn't he just admit that this is how he feels? I doubt that anyone will actually change their vote, because he has weeks to talk guns and abortion (in another manner) and get everyone skeered of Claire again.

    The only reason that this guy is even a relevant factor in this race is that Claire has proven to be just another politician, and has a lot of skeletons herself.

    -- Posted by Interested Too on Mon, Aug 20, 2012, at 8:17 AM
  • Why is it that the people that use this blog cannot go by the rules. No political stuff please.

    -- Posted by sheepdip on Mon, Aug 20, 2012, at 12:39 PM
  • sheepdip:

    Nowhere here does it say non-political and non-religious only.

    Having said that; this is front page news on all papers and networks, and if Eric wishes to move my posts, that's totally fine by me.

    -- Posted by Interested Too on Mon, Aug 20, 2012, at 12:57 PM
  • SheepDip sometimes politics creeps back to this forum because the specific topic is one which has a strong local connection, such as the Akin fiasco.

    You may may wish to consider flagging your own political comments on this blog so that Eric could delete them for you. That would be a nice non-hypocritical start to your campaign to eradicate all politics from this blog.

    Here are a few political statements with absolutely no local connection that you have posted to get you started. ;)

    "Why would it be unconstitunal to drug test people drawing welfare or disablity?

    Anyone that is working has to pass a drug test. So why if you get something for nothing shouldn't you have to pass a drug test?

    -- Posted by sheepdip

    I guess than you could say that the women who's home was broken into by two armed thug and forced in to her closet would be an advocate for the NRA's culture war.

    -- Posted by sheepdip

    I would like to know why my post on the immagration issue in Arizona and the Obama response to it was deleted?

    -- Posted by sheepdip

    I see in the KC paper that the Obama adminstration is going to sue to block Arizonia's new immagration law. The reason for this is that Mexico and Latin America nations do not like this law even after polls show 65% of amercian people support this law. It is a sad day when our own polticains but the interest of other nation's above the wishes of our own people.

    -- Posted by sheepdip "

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Aug 20, 2012, at 1:20 PM
  • Now that was a great post OKR, I don't care what anyone else thinks!!!!!

    -- Posted by Gal66 on Mon, Aug 20, 2012, at 2:29 PM
  • OK

    I have never posted anything political on this or any other page. The post you put up under my name are not all mine. I have posted on gun control and drug testing but the last two post you contribit to me are not mine, so I don't know where you got them but not from me. I am not against political posting just think it should be put on the political forum. Maybe we should let Eric decide if the political post should be on the political forum and keep this one for local comments.

    -- Posted by sheepdip on Mon, Aug 20, 2012, at 2:40 PM
  • I see a very urgent need for campaign buttons that read: I may be from Missouri, but I DID NOT vote for Akin.

    -- Posted by Miss Marple on Mon, Aug 20, 2012, at 2:42 PM
  • SheepDip they definitely were your posts even though you deny them. Your statement that you have not posted anything political, on this nor other blogs is also incorrect.

    I will give you that the last two were posted on the political blog. My bad, and I apologize for that. It was sloppy research on my part.

    However my point remains correct. You may read your comments yourself. The following link is where I found them. :)


    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Aug 20, 2012, at 3:49 PM
  • Come on people. It ain't that bad. Why can't we all just get along?

    -- Posted by red dog on Mon, Aug 20, 2012, at 8:20 PM
  • SheepDip one last thing, that I should have said in my last post concerning you. Everyone forgets things that they say, or have written, I for sure know that at my age. So, don't feel bad that you didn't remember something you posted a good while back. If the situation were reversed I might have done the same thing. :)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Aug 20, 2012, at 10:26 PM
  • My concern is that Akin will be pressured, persuaded, or paid in some fashion to drop out of the senate race. The Republican Party then will insert in his place one of the two candidates that he beat in their primary election, or someone else of the same persuasion. Whichever it is will essentially believe the same things as Akin, but be much more adroit at hiding such hideousness from gullible voters.

    The bottom line is that whomever it is will still pursue the same wrong headed agenda as would have Akin. It is the Tea Party agenda, because they know that they can't be elected without the Tea Party voters. That agenda is wrong for America, and hopefully a majority of voters will have the sense to know that come November.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Aug 20, 2012, at 10:42 PM
  • What? Me worry? I'm voting for Alfred E. Newman!

    Gullible voters? And then some, I'll say!!!!

    -- Posted by Slater on Tue, Aug 21, 2012, at 10:10 AM
  • Lookie! Lookie! World Traveler is going to vote for me, and that'll be a start! Hmmm...gotta figure out how to keep Nader out of things!

    -- Posted by Slater on Tue, Aug 21, 2012, at 3:18 PM
  • Well, I would also Slater, but you can't write in a candidate in Oklahoma. It is not allowed because too many voters here would be disenfranchised from the practice simply because they can't write. %]

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Aug 21, 2012, at 6:33 PM
  • News I think they are more inclined to try to take over the nation, or at least make America as madly "red" as is Oklahoma.

    It makes me wonder if there are any of those old cold war bumper stickers laying around in a warehouse somewhere, you know, the ones that said "Better Dead Than Red". A feller might be able to buy cheap, and sell high before much longer. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Aug 21, 2012, at 10:42 PM
  • Well Akin says he is staying in the race. I'm thinking he is just trying to raise the ante on a cushy deal for withdrawing. A new poll out today (taken after he spoke Tea Party truth) incredibly shows him still leading by one percent in Missouri!

    He still could win the thing! If he does, that laughter you hear coming from your southwest border, will not just be the echo of your laughter at Oklahoma bouncing off the blockheads down here. It will be me, and others like me roaring with laughter because Missouri is the same.

    Actually Missouri is rapidly trending toward the destination that Oklahoma has reached. I figure you guys are about two election cycles behind. Take a close look at all things Oklahoman, unless trends change that is what you will be in four to six years. I'm thinking a majority of you won't like that. At least I hope that is the case.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Aug 21, 2012, at 11:28 PM
  • News I'm waving a hand toward you right now pal. The only problem is that three of my fingers are drooping. Count your lucky stars, and shove the Southern Cross while you are at it. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Aug 22, 2012, at 12:33 AM
  • Yes, I believe this discussion on Akin, Democrat response, neo-cons, etc., belongs on the politics page. Nevertheless, the sight of political signs on East 50 in Sedalia yesterday made me smile. Two huge signs posted in the same yard supported Nixon and Koster - a bipartisan yard.

    Akin seems like the kind of candidate Democrats could support in the primary - because he is a loose lipped candidate McCaskill could defeat. So many members of Congress push laws that involve science, yet their backgrounds don't include enough science to understand issues at depth. Akin represents just one version of using a belief system instead of science.

    -- Posted by former editor on Wed, Aug 22, 2012, at 7:37 AM
  • Former Editor

    I agree the political forum should be use as that is what it if for,but curtesy and good manners are not used today. I got my behind chewed the other day for holding the door for a lady. All we get now is sarcasm and rudeness when something is done that ticks someone else off. I miss the days as a young boy in the 40's when we said yes mam,no sir, thank you and your welcome sadly very few of us pratice good manners any more.

    -- Posted by sheepdip on Wed, Aug 22, 2012, at 1:20 PM
  • formereditor, you do realize Nixon and Koster are both Democrats, right? Or was your bipartisan comment meant to be funny?

    -- Posted by inthemiddle on Wed, Aug 22, 2012, at 5:26 PM
  • Hey inthemiddle. If is wasn't for the small "d" how could you tell for sure which party they belong too?

    -- Posted by red dog on Wed, Aug 22, 2012, at 8:06 PM

    Thank God there is still a gentleman around, not many men hold a door open for a woman, I want to thank you, it thrills my heart when a door is held open for me, I always remember to say thank you sir, for I do appreciate it.

    Please don't stop being a gentleman, we have so few around anymore. Don't pay any attention to what was said to you, it was probable a num-skull who has no idea what manners is,

    -- Posted by buttons on Thu, Aug 23, 2012, at 9:58 AM
  • SheepDip, I also open doors for ladies, and persist in all the other vintage behaviors I was taught that were considered good manners back in the day. However the reactions to my actions have always been positive, usually a big smile, and a thank you. Could it be that you have a scowl on your face that signals rote behavior rather than personal engagement to those recipients of your largesse? ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Aug 23, 2012, at 11:11 AM
  • Actually in a nod to emancipation of both sexes, I am as likely to hold a door open for a man, or a kid, as a woman. I just think of it as a signal to the person that cooperation, and a willingness to assist is alive, and well in this often cold world that we all share. :)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Aug 23, 2012, at 11:18 AM
  • Okr I don't understand why you always try to find something negative with my post. I was brought up to be a gentleman and always have a smile for someone I meet. My father had a heart attack when I was 16 and I had to run the farm and still am, so I know what a hard time life can be, that is one reason that I always am frienly and smiling when I help someone out. Being a gentleman I woun't tell you what to do with your negative comments, maybe you can figure it out.

    -- Posted by sheepdip on Thu, Aug 23, 2012, at 1:42 PM
  • You generalize SheepDip, "always", really? I have nothing against you, I was just wondering why people take umbrance when you open doors for them, and it never happens to me, nor anyone else I know.

    If it is a regular occurence that people give you a hard time when you open doors for them then just thank God that you are a farmer, and not a Door man. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Aug 23, 2012, at 3:09 PM
  • Well if I new why she was that way it would solve a lot. I have no idea. I always smile and say good morning when doing anything for someone else, guess she was having a bad day. Maybe people in OK are better mannered than here. We have many here that will not say thank you for some favor, but I will say most of the ones that do that are the younger gerneration.

    -- Posted by sheepdip on Thu, Aug 23, 2012, at 3:54 PM
  • It occurs to me that even though the rest of the world is changing, we don't have to when it comes to Our manners.

    -- Posted by red dog on Thu, Aug 23, 2012, at 4:32 PM
  • I had two experiences recently regarding men holding doors open for me. Most of the time when they do this, I smile and thank you as I am walking by the man nods or says you're welcome and it is nice. However, twice in a row with two different men within a week's time opened the door for me. Both times it went like this. Man opens door, I say smile and say thank you as I walk by, man rudely says "Wow, not even a thank you". I had said thank you both times. I guess they did not hear me, though I spoke in a normal tone of voice. The first time I let it go and just kept walking, the second time I looked right at the guy and said, "I said thanks, don't know if you didn't hear me or what, but just because you opened a door does not give you an excuse to be rude." Maybe I should have just kept walking, but it irritated me. Let's give the benefit of the doubt and assume both didn't hear me say thank you. A small random act of kindness ruined by attitude. I think both missed the point of a random act of kindness. You don't do it so people will tell you how awesome and wonderful you are, or fall over themselves in gratitude for doing something they could have easily done themselves. You do it to shine a small ray of light into an otherwise dark and dreary place so that when they all work together it makes life better not just for you, but everyone around you. You never know what people have going on in their lives or their heads at any given moment. I once picked up some little girls who were just separated from their mother and taken into foster care. They were terrified and crying in the back seat. I was trying anything I could think of to calm them down and make them feel better so I decided to drive through McDonalds on the way home and get them some ice cream. As we were waiting for our food, some jerk pulled up next to us, honked his horn looked right at me and flipped me the bird. I have no idea what I did to make him angry, maybe I cut him off, drove too slow, I just don't know. My point is, I bet if he had even the slightest idea what was going on in that car at the time he would have offered his help, not his finger. So be nice, and if someone isn't nice back cut them a break because you just never know.

    -- Posted by OMG! on Fri, Aug 24, 2012, at 8:42 AM
  • "The expectation of gratitude is mean, and continually punished by the insensibility of the obliged person.' Thoreau as I recall.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Aug 24, 2012, at 9:12 AM
  • I think the Marshall Owls will beat Chillicothe tonight in football. Go Owls

    -- Posted by mofireman on Fri, Aug 24, 2012, at 9:53 AM
  • Are you ready for some football? We are....good luck Marshall Owls and Coach Stockman........show them what we are made of!!

    -- Posted by RuSerious2012 on Fri, Aug 24, 2012, at 7:13 PM
  • 7 and 0 Marshall

    -- Posted by RuSerious2012 on Fri, Aug 24, 2012, at 7:40 PM

    -- Posted by mofireman on Fri, Aug 24, 2012, at 9:52 PM


    -- Posted by RuSerious2012 on Fri, Aug 24, 2012, at 10:03 PM
  • Owl pride ONCE AGAIN? You mean you are only proud of them when they win? wow.

    -- Posted by momaster on Sat, Aug 25, 2012, at 7:14 AM
  • wow is a palindrome.

    -- Posted by Interested Too on Sat, Aug 25, 2012, at 8:37 AM
  • ChickenPotPie does have a point, so does momaster.

    We should be proud of the kids all of the time; however, try to be proud of them in academics, not sports.

    Which will promise a better future for 99.9% of the students; getting a diploma, or beating Chillicothe?

    -- Posted by Interested Too on Sat, Aug 25, 2012, at 8:54 AM
  • I see the black and white truth. No matter what happens, somebody in this town or world tries to bring you down. I'm sick of reading all the negative comments by people that won't even use their real names when they post. For those that have all the answers,STOP you are doing nothing but creating a cancer on our community,political offices,schools and the minds of our population. As I tell my children YOU are the only one that dictates how each day begins and ends.Can't we as the people of Marshall support the Good things that happen and not find a way to undermind them?

    -- Posted by public informant on Sat, Aug 25, 2012, at 10:10 AM
  • Very well put Cheetah and very true. Pot Pie, why such a hater of the Pig Skin and people who enjoy it? Hope your day get's better as me think's you got up on wrong side of bed. I'll pray for you.

    -- Posted by Marshall Man on Sat, Aug 25, 2012, at 10:18 AM
  • It must suck to jot be any good at sports, or to make the team, so the only recourse is to bash those that did. It is entirely possible to excel in academics, and sports together. Guess what, just to answer the question that was posed, even though it's certainly better to get the diploma instead of a win, its also pretty cool to be able to do both. :)

    -- Posted by Tigers/Owls4Life96 on Sat, Aug 25, 2012, at 11:14 AM
  • CPP,

    Those who can, do. Those who can't, sit on the sides and poke fun.

    -- Posted by Tigers/Owls4Life96 on Sat, Aug 25, 2012, at 6:54 PM
  • R.I.P. Neil Armstrong.

    You were one cool dude.

    -- Posted by Interested Too on Sat, Aug 25, 2012, at 8:00 PM
  • A would recommend that those those of you who have a jaded outlook on academics and athletics attend the Academic Excellence Banquet next May at MHS, then we can discuss what you have observed

    -- Posted by public informant on Sun, Aug 26, 2012, at 12:16 PM
  • Sorry for the error, A should be I. A mistake was made and I admit it.

    -- Posted by public informant on Sun, Aug 26, 2012, at 12:22 PM
  • Different year, same story. Sports are bad, only the "name" kids play, my kid is better than everyone else but the coach doesn't like him/her, etc./etc./etc........

    Great win Friday night to the Marshall football team. You showed what working hard, showing dedication, and operating as 1 can do.

    Don't let the haters detour your goals, go get em men!

    -- Posted by Tigers/Owls4Life96 on Mon, Aug 27, 2012, at 8:38 AM
  • To Marshall's scholars.

    Don't let the people who ignore your accomplishments just because you are smart, but not interested in athletics, get to you.

    Hang in there, get that degree, and maybe someday you'll own a team, rather than just playing on one!

    I am proud of our scholars who try so hard when people seem to only go for the glitz.

    For those of you lucky enough to be an athlete and a scholar, I am proud of you too.

    I am also proud of our athletes and their sacrifices. I just hope that they realize the odds, and that they don't try to live their lives based on high schoool athletic accomplishments; the odds are against them.

    Get that degree and use it to your advantage.

    -- Posted by Interested Too on Mon, Aug 27, 2012, at 9:07 AM
  • Interested Too,

    I see your point, but not sure I can agree whole-heartedly. Jordan didn't even make his high school team until his Junior year because he was "too raw and undersized". Where would the NBA be now, without Jordan? I'm no fool, and don't misinterpret my point. Why not let kids shoot for the stars? For every athlete that let high school sports get to their heads, and didn't put in the work to be ready when that plan didn't pan out, there are just as many that did.

    Also, no one, or at least not from anything I have read is saying that those who choose academics over sports is any less accepted. The issue is for all those who choose not to play, support, etc., but would rather sit on a message board and knock the efforts of those that do. That's a real problem.

    Sports aren't for everyone, but neither is quantum physics. There's no problem with that, to each is own.

    -- Posted by Tigers/Owls4Life96 on Mon, Aug 27, 2012, at 10:01 AM
  • -- Posted by Tigers/Owls4Life96 on Mon, Aug 27, 2012, at 10:02 AM
  • How ridiculous ......that when we commend a football team of hard working young men for accomplishing something that is important to them....

    it causes so much DRAMA! We commend FFA, debate club ect ...and last I knew ALL students who participate in sports had to maintain certain grades! Again congratulations to the TEAM which consists of students from ALL walks of life and different academic levels!! Marshall is proud of you!!

    -- Posted by RuSerious2012 on Mon, Aug 27, 2012, at 10:05 AM
  • To Cheetah and ND,

    Your conversation was interesting reading, and I say thanks for sharing your insight. :)

    -- Posted by Slater on Tue, Aug 28, 2012, at 1:37 AM
  • I predict that both conventions this year will be meaningless. I am pretty sure that Obama and Romney will be our candidates.

    That's a lot of money for infomercials for the parties. Think of the good they could do if they gave it to people in need (Dems to the poor, Reps to the rich) and think of how much cleaner we would all feel if we didn't have to listen to that rhetoric for 3 days or so.

    I could watch reruns and sports, but otherwise, it is difficult to keep all of the madness from my eyes and ears.

    -- Posted by Interested Too on Tue, Aug 28, 2012, at 9:16 AM
  • SC - I agree ...

    But what about those poor kids from Chilicothe? You know as well as I do that in today's society we are not supposed to have "winners" and "loser." How would you feel if a team that was not too good last year came in and beat up on your team - and in your first game in your brand new stadium?

    By the way - Good Job Owls!

    -- Posted by gentle ben on Tue, Aug 28, 2012, at 9:25 AM
  • Interested Too said this:

    "... and think of how much cleaner we would all feel if we didn't have to listen to that rhetoric for 3 days or so."

    An idyllic notion, to be sure, but one I heartily concur with, except my sentiment would be to leave off the "for three days or so."

    -- Posted by Slater on Tue, Aug 28, 2012, at 9:33 AM
  • OK - Fine ... I'll take my tonue OUT of my cheek for a minute.

    Having ha dyoung'ns who played junior sports, I agree with you about the "everyone plays and has fun" mindset at the youth level. But in high school there comes a time when you have to put on your big boy pants and "make adjustments" when you lose. Interesting to note - as well - is that the Owls didn't stomp the boys up north. They won the game. I know that many will say "a W is a W" - but there is apparently room for improvement on both sides.

    -- Posted by gentle ben on Tue, Aug 28, 2012, at 12:44 PM
  • Too bad that Al Jolson isn't around anymore for the Repubs to trot out for a little soft shoe, and song at their convention. That is about as close to "color" as most of the attendees could remain comfortable with. ;)

    Al Jolson: http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=al+jolson+mammy&mid=AE07DFB983B4D5F01059AE07...

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Aug 28, 2012, at 2:23 PM
  • SC

    Yep ... And by that time, it won't matter. You will already be in the presence of the Lord by the time they put your earthly tabernacle in the soil. That's a promise I'd bet you can live with. I wonder if there's gonna be football (or soccer) in heaven???????? I just hope they have a band ...

    -- Posted by gentle ben on Tue, Aug 28, 2012, at 3:13 PM
  • I'm hopin' an' believin' that all you Repub. folk out there will forgive my last comment as I may have miss spoke; partly because you are real used to hearing "I miss spoke" from your leaders, and partly because most of you have forgiven Akin (unless you agreed with him). If you can forgive him out of the bigness of your hearts, I know you can forgive my error.

    You see, I had clean forgot Herman Cain! I know that most of you will like his presentation at the convention. I do have remaining doubts regarding the folks at the bottom of your barrel (geographically speaking of course, Mississippi, and Alabama). Those folks might have less aversion to Mr. Cain if he had risen up from the same line as Colonel Sanders, instead of the pizza line. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Aug 28, 2012, at 3:15 PM
  • Sc

    Sorry - it was rather presumptious of me to assume you are of the Christian persuasion. I haven't been around here long enough to know for sure. Just guessin'.

    -- Posted by gentle ben on Tue, Aug 28, 2012, at 3:31 PM
  • I'm not plannin' to watch your convention. I don't want to watch Ann Romney work hard to prove the point that a warm blooded person can actually live with an electronically activated, over age Ken doll, and be happy.

    I'm not watchin' the Demo.'s convention either. They are so diverse that they are goin' in reverse.

    I will have more zingers when their convention comes up. PLENTY of material there.

    Meanwhile keep in mind that all effective politics these days are local. It is pure theatre at the national level, and all the actors are paid by corporate interests. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Aug 28, 2012, at 3:41 PM
  • Msnbc has cut every speech made by a minority at the RNC and you all say Fox news is bias. If that is not bias I don't know what is at least fox includes minority points of view let see how Fox handles the DNC next week bet you will find a big difference, in how they handle it I bet its Fair and Balanced. And not bipolar like Chris Mathew's MSNBC.

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Wed, Aug 29, 2012, at 7:43 AM
  • Jason, Fox will of course show every moment that a person of color participates in at the Democratic convention, plus panning regularly to segments of the crowd that are made up mostly of people of color.

    Why you may ask? They will do so to instill in their mostly white, narrow minded audience that the Democrats represent the interests of minorities only, and not that of real Amurkins. Wait, "instill" is the wrong word, reinforce that belief is more accurate. Fox viewers already think that. It was "instilled" long ago by Rush, Michael Savage, and the Fox network, among others.

    I do appreciate that they can't do that at the Republican Convention, where a person of color stands out like a lump of coal on a field of snow.

    What is it, two percent of African Americans are Republicans? Even less at the convention? It may just be that MSNBC at the Republican Convention doesn't choose to show them because they are insignificant, and under-represented in every aspect of the Republican scheme of things. Fair, and Balanced? LOL The Republican Party puts Fox News to shame.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Aug 29, 2012, at 9:49 AM
  • Let's talk a minute about fear mongering.

    The President states that Mitt Romney, if elected, will - as soon as he takes offiice - with a single swipe of a pen - deny health care for 7 miilion "kids".

    No - he might change the age at which college age offspring get taken off their parents' insurance plan - but it won't be denying health care to 7 million kids.

    How absurd - and he calls republicans a party that pedals fear.

    -- Posted by gentle ben on Wed, Aug 29, 2012, at 1:33 PM
  • gentleben doesn't it make you fearful that Romney will remove college age kids from their parent's policies? Why is that necessary? Parents are strapped enough with the cost of sending their kids to college, and you are O. K. with that? That is the tip of the iceberg as to what a Romney victory will cost ordinary Americans.I have spent the last forty years (regretfully)telling obtuse conservatives, "I told you so".

    Viet Nam, Afghanistan, Iraq, "No Child Left Behind", financial deregulation, George W. Bush the first time, then incredibly, I had to say it about George W. Bush again! Those people, especially Democrats, who voted for him the second time were astoundingly stupid, and should never trust their own political judgment again. They should contritely ask friends, and relatives who have been right most of the time who to vote for. Those are just the big things. I'm telling you now, please listen, Romney, and a Republican Congress will bring America to its knees. Conservative voters' judgment has been wrong, over, and over for forty years. Get a clue, finally, or suffer the disgrace of, by your stupidity destroying your nation. I am weary of telling you "I told you so".

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Aug 29, 2012, at 2:51 PM
  • Before someone says it, yes LBJ (a Democrat) lied us into Viet Nam with unanimous conservative Republican support. However it was liberals who advocated getting us out. It was Democrats whose lead horse in the next election cycle was assassinated, he advocated get out now. "WE" voted in a Republican president who dragged out the war. Nixon had blood on his hands for unnecessary deaths, and wounds of thousands. That would not have occurred had Hubert Humphrey been elected in 1968 instead of Nixon, and most definitely not if Booby Kennedy had not been killed. But then we always, in our darkness, kill the peacemakers; Abraham, Martin, and John, along with Bobby. In our darkness, we allow war criminals, little bush, cheney, and rumesfield to live out their lives in relative peace, and tranquility, even tough they must avoid foreign travel to escape justice in the rest of the world.

    In my prior comment I forgot to mention the resistance to affording civil rights to all Americans. That was another piece of conservative nastiness. The national Democratic Party raised the flag of civil rights. It was fought tooth, and nail by the Southern Democrats. They lost, then took their nastiness, and fled to the Republican Party, where they now reside controlling all the southland, nastiness intact, honor in absentia.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Aug 29, 2012, at 3:39 PM
  • OKR - I really respect you and most of your opinions ... But this time you are barking up the wrong tree. I never sided with Romney - I just said that "7 million kids" is not the same as college age offspring.

    I have kids that are slowly falling off my insurance because of age and what-have-you. Then it becomes their responsibility - which isn't a bad thing. You and I had to get out on our own at one time - be it very long ago.

    As far as washington goes - You have read my posts long enough to know that I don't trust any of them - demo or repub - and that's the sad truth. I believe our nation is already on its knees and grasping for a way to get up - and all we get is more of the same from everyone invlolved in the political machine.

    -- Posted by gentle ben on Wed, Aug 29, 2012, at 3:42 PM
  • Oh I know gb, my diatribe wasn't really meant for you. If others were more like you we wouldn't be in the awful mess that is.

    I think what got to me was that the tone of your comment, perhaps wrongfully, smacked of acquiescence, and appeasement..."well they are only going to take a little bit away from us". Anymore I say don't let the fat pigs at the top take another darned thing that we have away from us. They in their insane greed want it all, and will never stop trying to get until we pen them all, and yes if they continue to be pigs even then, they should suffer pigs' end.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Aug 29, 2012, at 4:28 PM
  • I have more to say, but I am taking it to the political blog...I can almost hear the "Thank God" murmurs from all the Pleasant Valley readers out there. Sorry, my bad. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Aug 29, 2012, at 4:38 PM
  • Any updates on the whereabouts of Miss Liberty?

    -- Posted by luvthoseowls on Thu, Aug 30, 2012, at 9:10 AM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    No new info lately, I'm afraid.
  • One of the most cynical, dirty, reprehensible political moves was made by Barack Obama just a few days ago. When he passed Obamacare, he included $500 Bn of cuts in Medicare. Jammed it through ... But the cut would come three weeks before Election day. So Obama has passed an $8.3 Bn appropriation to extend that program for 4 or 5 weeks to get it passed Election day so the notices don't go out until after the Senior Citizens have voted and then they'll be cut. Isn't that unbelievably cynical?

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Thu, Aug 30, 2012, at 11:06 AM
  • http://mediamatters.org/research/2012/08/30/foxs-chris-wallace-advances-gops-fal...

    Read about it hear don't believe the false hype about Obama and medicare.

    -- Posted by DAgates on Thu, Aug 30, 2012, at 12:40 PM
  • No link to support your stink J69? At the moment your gripe is supported by thin air. Maybe it is mentioned in DAGates link above. If you want to reply to my comment I'll be waiting at the political blog. :)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Aug 30, 2012, at 1:45 PM
  • Per Fox News, Republican Vice Presidential Candidate Paul Ryan told lie, after lie about Obama in his address to the convention last night. http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/08/30/paul-ryans-speech-in-three-words/?cmpi... More at the political blog.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Aug 30, 2012, at 3:26 PM
  • Liars figure. Figures lie. Heard that one before? Then.....politicians, and others, naturally try to put a spin on the lies. Trouble is, these aspiring representatives of the people have forgot they now often leave paper and verbal trails. Oh, pity those that practice to deceive. They will be caught up with today. Hopefully by November. They better be or we are in more trouble.

    -- Posted by red dog on Thu, Aug 30, 2012, at 6:05 PM
  • I noticed that John Hughes died though there wasn't much of an obituary.

    He was a fixture in the Marshall of my youth, broadcasting daily on the local radio station, and for a time amping the level of excitement at the local auto race track as he called out the action.

    I never had a conversation with the man. I did see him late night at O. C. Bruner's on occasion. Some of those nights I would see two of him, and I am nearly certain that on some of those nights he was seeing two of me.

    John may you be sitting down to a cold beer, a plate of shorts, and some awesome blues music of the late nineteen fifties. You left your mark.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Aug 31, 2012, at 10:56 AM
  • I'm watching K-9 Cops and makes me wonder how Boomer's recovery and rehabilitation is coming??

    -- Posted by Scarpetta on Fri, Aug 31, 2012, at 3:59 PM
  • OKR, check out sportsmansspeedway.com. You will find a photo of John Hughes there as well as others you will recognize. Memories.

    -- Posted by red dog on Sat, Sep 1, 2012, at 5:56 AM
  • in response to wanting proof here is actually an interview with our president about how he funded obamacare Now to educate you all when they cut payments to providers on certain things then the providers will pass the expense to the patient so yes in a direct way this effects Seniors. http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2012/08/15/video_obama_admits_he_cut_bill...

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Sat, Sep 1, 2012, at 8:51 AM
  • Here is another thing that is going into effect that will effect senior's in few months. Hospitals will not be funded a certain percentage of medicare payments if a patient is hospitalized within 30 days of being hospitalized before...This could cost hospitals billions of dollars because when we get older we tend to not get well as fast or get worse after we get out of the hospital because a hospital is very sterile. Now how does this effect us well the hospital has to pass the cost to everyone so that means they start charging insurance and individuals more for care.

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Sat, Sep 1, 2012, at 8:57 AM
  • And btw there is a lot of news organizations but I picked your favorie news channel to back that up with this link lol. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/23/more-than-2200-hospitals-face-penalti...

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Sat, Sep 1, 2012, at 8:59 AM
  • Jason69 there is a lot debatable in your comments, but I'll have nothing to say to you, until you get the guts to bring your political comments to the political blog and play with the big boys, and girls. It seems you folks on the right are afraid to come there these days,you included, so talk to yourself for now.

    Suffice to say there is a lot of malarkey in what you say. A warning to all, buyer beware.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Sep 1, 2012, at 10:26 AM
  • Thanks RD. Did you know him? He was a character.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Sep 1, 2012, at 10:30 AM
  • Hi Jason,

    You know something? I respect you and your ideas. I do not agree with a lot of them, but I think it is cool that you take the time and effort to post them.

    My problem is that I find the posts hard to read. Could you work on sentence structure....just a little? I'd like to know where one thought stops and another begins. If you think this is anything but constructive criticism, just let it slide, but otherwise, it would make reading your posts much easier for me.

    Have a great day.

    -- Posted by Interested Too on Sat, Sep 1, 2012, at 10:42 AM
  • Oklahoma you keep bringing your ideas in this blog so I feel like there is 2 political blogs.

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Sat, Sep 1, 2012, at 10:51 AM
  • Yes OKR. He was part of my youth. John, Dorothy and Dorothy's son Chuck Thatcher. Chuck,s father was an aviator and got killed in the war. Susan came along later. He was a grand man and very opinionated. I am proud to have known him.

    -- Posted by red dog on Sat, Sep 1, 2012, at 11:15 AM
  • I am sorry for the run on sentences...I was a product of and educational situation...I was tested and the thought I had mental retardation..Especially back them when you were born with heart defects they automatically almost assume you had mental retardatom. In 6th grade I was tested and found to have avearage inteligence so I had to make up 3 years of english 2 years of math because I was in special education imagine doing that over a summer vacation....So you know I am peed off at our goverment funded education becuase it is still going downhill. But in a nutshell that should explain somethings did not stick with me because of the fact of what I had to do in order to catch up to my peers so I have lost some of my skills.

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Sat, Sep 1, 2012, at 11:47 AM
  • Well Jason, you are a brave guy.

    Thanks for responding, but I was just trying to suggest a solution.

    Obviously, you know the score.

    -- Posted by Interested Too on Sat, Sep 1, 2012, at 11:56 AM
  • Eric, maybe the family would agree to having a story published on John Hughes. He had many interesting stories to tell.

    -- Posted by meagain on Sat, Sep 1, 2012, at 12:21 PM
  • I am John Hughes' daughter and I think it would be wonderful to see a story of my father. What's more, Dad would think it was wonderful to see a posthumous story on him. John Hughes was an individual in the truest sense of the world and growing up with him as my father was an interesting journey. He was unique, flamboyant and certainly had no problem offending people, but he was to me first and foremost my father and he was a great one!

    His love of automobile racing and boxing extended to the very last days of his life.

    Thank you for remembering him also.

    Susan Hughes

    -- Posted by Clause72 on Sat, Sep 1, 2012, at 2:38 PM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    I know there's more to Mr. Hughes' story than this, but here's a story that featured him a few years ago as part of Rachel Knight's series on local racing history:


  • -- Posted by Cheese on Sat, Sep 1, 2012, at 4:00 PM
  • -- Posted by Cheese on Sat, Sep 1, 2012, at 4:02 PM
  • Ms. Susan Hughes, your father I'm sure, was also proud that he had such a loving daughter.

    Though I observed him only from a distance his vibrant personality, and ability to open himself warts, and all, to all, in a closed little conservative community,was an indicator of his personal courage, and trust in his fellow humans.

    I think that is what I admired most about your father.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Sep 2, 2012, at 11:18 AM
  • Thanks Cheese, and RD. :)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Sep 2, 2012, at 3:04 PM
  • Rachel Harper did an excellent story about Mr. Hughes for this newspaper not so long ago:


    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Sun, Sep 2, 2012, at 3:18 PM
  • Good stuff KF.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Sep 2, 2012, at 10:30 PM
  • Delete my comment put it on the wrong board my son distracted me.

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Tue, Sep 4, 2012, at 2:49 PM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    Done. Thanks for letting me know.
  • Will there be a schedule of events posted for this Saturday's Santa Fe Trail Days?

    -- Posted by luvthoseowls on Wed, Sep 5, 2012, at 11:55 AM
  • luvthoseowls, the MDN printed an article and schedule of events on Santa Fe Trail Days in yesterday's newspaper.

    -- Posted by springvinnie on Thu, Sep 6, 2012, at 9:27 AM
  • In the actual paper newspaper? I guess that's why I didn't see it. Thanks!

    -- Posted by luvthoseowls on Thu, Sep 6, 2012, at 11:29 AM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    It pays to pay for the paper :-)
  • The thought occurred to me that I have long been told I have a fertile mind. My appreciation of those observations has been tempered by the various speakers' concept of what stimulates fertility. I am certain that some meant that it was obvious to them that my mind had been exposed to regular applications of B. S. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Sep 6, 2012, at 1:16 PM
  • lol - OKR, I believe you've hit the nail squarely on its head. :)

    -- Posted by Slater on Fri, Sep 7, 2012, at 4:26 PM
  • Good to see you Slater. Takes one to know one huh? I hope all is well with you. :)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Sep 7, 2012, at 6:21 PM
  • Ye be knowin' that for truth, me lad! :)

    -- Posted by Slater on Fri, Sep 7, 2012, at 9:55 PM
  • Has the burn ban been lifted yet??

    -- Posted by Scarpetta on Sat, Sep 8, 2012, at 8:17 AM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    The county burn ban expires Sept. 15.
  • Missed the end of the Valley game, what was the final score?

    -- Posted by Pasta on Sat, Sep 8, 2012, at 9:50 PM
  • Valley 41

    Nazarene 7

    -- Posted by Interested Too on Sat, Sep 8, 2012, at 10:10 PM
  • Fuel prices have only dropped pennies since the hurricane scare raised the prices by about 20 cents a gallon. I believe the fuel empires are already making billions profit by the quarter.... that's right billion with a B. Is there anything we can do about these prices? Is there anything our "leaders" can do about this price gouging? I surely am not the only one that has disgust about this.....

    -- Posted by 1OFTHEGALS on Mon, Sep 10, 2012, at 10:48 PM
  • Yes we can tightly regulate speculative futures bidding on petroleum. Those nervous ninnies bid up the price of gasoline to be produced, and sold in the future every time they see, or hear there is a threat to production, even if it is a gnat passing gas. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Sep 11, 2012, at 12:20 AM
  • I called a local contractor and either a) they don't want my business or b) don't need my business...so can someone recommend a contractor in the area that needs and wants business...?

    -- Posted by Scarpetta on Tue, Sep 11, 2012, at 7:50 AM
  • Any info regarding an accident Friday on or near Redman St, where a car hit a child??

    -- Posted by patron on Tue, Sep 11, 2012, at 12:52 PM
  • Regarding the new interim director at the library: Wicky, welcome back!! This is wonderful for the Marshall Public Library and the community!

    -- Posted by AnneD on Tue, Sep 11, 2012, at 3:17 PM
  • Scarpetta, your experience mirrors mine. I can't count the number of times we've asked someone about this or that project we'd like to do. We get an enthusiastic, "Sure, I'll come out and look," and then...absolutely nothing. No phone call, no apology, no excuses...nada. I don't get it. Too busy? Too lazy? What?

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Tue, Sep 11, 2012, at 7:35 PM
  • I realize some businesses are only as good as the person manning the phone...but still. I wanted to name names but I knew the delete button was in my future....so I opted to be nice. :)

    In short...the drought and my foundation are not getting along...cracked sheetrock, doors off set and just a flat mess.

    -- Posted by Scarpetta on Tue, Sep 11, 2012, at 9:24 PM
  • Scarpetta maybe the horse is already out of the barn, but I have heard that if you water around your foundation deeply during periods of extreme drought it will prevent the problem you are having. This is strictly anecdotal, but I have done that this summer, and last. My neighbor didn't, and he now has severe foundation problems, and huge gaps in his brick veneer. My side wall of the same type construction, ten feet from his has none. Good luck to you.

    Maybe someone else can comment as to whether, or not it does any good.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Sep 11, 2012, at 10:44 PM
  • I was traveling a major highway today and met 2 combines with a flagger but they hadn't removed the corn heads. The combines alone are wider than one side of the road but then the heads add probably at least 6 more feet to the width. I have no problem if they want to block traffic on less traveled roads and move short distances but on a major highway? I know time is of the essence during harvest but safety is too. It don't take that long to remove a corn head in the name of safety.

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Sep 12, 2012, at 10:39 PM
  • On another note how does your children like mrs o's menu at school of going completely whole grains by I believe next year. It is starting now and some of the stuff you buy that is whole grain is good and some is gross. I have been told the kids aren't liking it and more are bringing their own lunch. If the kids won't eat what you put in front of them are we accomplishing anything? Even if it is free or reduced. Seems to me more will go in the trash and good money going with it. Also we have this 'public education' and it cost me money every week for something that is required by a teacher that is unfunded. What are my tax dollars going for?

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Sep 12, 2012, at 11:26 PM
  • So are you saying that we should go back to loading them up on fat and carbs (cuz that's what they like)and then have to deal with childhood obesity and diabetes? Just askin'

    -- Posted by luvthoseowls on Thu, Sep 13, 2012, at 8:33 AM
  • It's good for them, so of course they didn't like it. Crap tastes so much better than real food. Childhood obesity is an epidemic and somebody had to take a stand. Most parents don't care and schools saved money because crappy food is cheaper than real food. Good for Mrs. O trying to give our kids a better, longer life by feeding them HEALTHY food instead of CRAP!

    -- Posted by myopinionmp on Thu, Sep 13, 2012, at 9:00 AM
  • The education if free. The supplies are not.

    -- Posted by mu-grad on Thu, Sep 13, 2012, at 9:40 AM
  • All of the teachers I know spend a lot of their own money buying things for the classroom. So...rr3yvo do you think they should support all 25 of the students so parents don't have to send anything?

    -- Posted by tommob on Thu, Sep 13, 2012, at 10:42 AM
  • Actually crappy pre-packaged food is more expensive and makes it easy on the cook. What happened to actually making real food that is good for you? I know some of these schools have excellent cooks so why not let them cook. How long have we been promoting low fat, low carb, fat free and sugar free foods. Is it working? When you deprive the body of certain things then the body craves things that are not necessarily good for you. When did obesity become an epidemic? Did we have the problem before microwaves and pre-packaged foods with all the preservatives? Did we have the problem when families actually sat down and ate together as a family? Just some things to think about.

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, Sep 13, 2012, at 11:23 AM
  • Education is not free we all pay if we own property. It just seems that we pump more and more money into education without knowing the real result. How much goes for sports which are good but should our education tax money pay for them when all students don't play sports? I could be wrong but our spending priorities may be a little skewed. I only have one child in the system, I feel sorry for the families that have 2, 3 or more to keep up with every week. I just think the things that all children have to take should be fully funded first except for normal supplies.

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, Sep 13, 2012, at 11:44 AM
  • 1 out of every 3 children is obese or overweight and that number is growing at a rapid pace. Don't hate on school lunches just because someone with the last name Obama came up with it. I mean, neither of us like her husband, but that doesn't mean she can't come up with something good, right? The rate of obese and overweight children has grown and grown. Parents and schools alike have been given chance after chance to change what we feed our children and no one has done anything about it. It's time that someone stepped up and said enough is enough. She did exactly that! She's also promoting getting up and moving 60 minutes a day!

    -- Posted by myopinionmp on Thu, Sep 13, 2012, at 12:59 PM
  • Mr. and Ms. America have their backs to the wall at every turn, including education and school lunches, thanks to the conspiracy between government and big business, and their love of money.

    When you think about it, our system isn't a lot different from the ways of the former Soviet Union in terms of who's in charge.

    I do believe it'll take a full-scale revolution if the balance of power is ever to be redressed, but until Average America pulls its head out of the sand long enough to realize or admit to what's happened, the shift in favor ot those at the top will continue unabated.

    I see today the Feds have given that group another green light to add more to their coffers of riches and power.

    Chicken Little was right all along, but we've refused to acknowledge it.

    -- Posted by Slater on Thu, Sep 13, 2012, at 1:09 PM
  • I send my child's lunch to school each day, per his request. Not because he doesn't like the foods, but because he is a slow eater and standing in line was taking up too much lunch time. I am happy to send his lunch because then I know that the foods I send are nutritious and things that he enjoys and will eat and not throw away.

    -- Posted by meagain on Thu, Sep 13, 2012, at 1:53 PM
  • Not only Chicken Little, but ChickenPotpie more often than not, despite their transitional difference in the world of chickens the substance remains. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Sep 13, 2012, at 3:14 PM
  • Is the Democrat News going to do a story about the hog manure spill into a creek north of Marshall? Trucks were pumping it out of the creek and the Mo. Conservation Dept. was there to check things out. Sure hope the DNR gets involved and does the right thing. The public needs to know this side of the story about CAFO's too !!

    -- Posted by fresh air on Thu, Sep 13, 2012, at 4:24 PM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    Do you have more information? Directions to the location? Property owner name? We'll contact DNR, but if you have more info, please let me know, ecrump@marshallnews.com or 660-886-2233.
  • Well said Slater. The sky has fallen, but has come down slowly, like an invisible curtain bringing to a close a long running play that has entranced the American audience since its original playbill in 1776.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Sep 13, 2012, at 10:38 PM
  • Not as much money is spent on sports as it is on education. But if you try to cut, watch out. A couple of years ago the district cut swimming because we had less than 10 swimmers both male and female. It was restored at the very next board meeting. The community will be after you because sports offers so many "opportunities for college scholarships." Or, "its the only thing that keeps some kids in school."

    -- Posted by inthemiddle on Thu, Sep 13, 2012, at 11:03 PM
  • Slater, don't forget that the Soviet Union was run by people who claimed to be the voice of the working people, not the wealthy. The Soviet system was "the workers' paradise." Look at all the greedy Russian capitalists/farmers who had 100% of their property/wealth taken and were lined up against the wall and shot.

    All the Soviets proved was that the left could be at least as corrupt as the right; some would say more.

    -- Posted by inthemiddle on Thu, Sep 13, 2012, at 11:13 PM
  • I have to disagree with you World Traveler regarding Russia's greatest leaders who I believe were Peter The Great, and Catherine The Great. They were hands down Russia's best, thus the "great" suffix. Great has never been attached to Czar Nicholas' name. He was disaffected from the people, and generally thought a weak, and not particularly bright individual.

    Russia's isolated vastness has set up through history a unique national persona. Saturated by neither western, nor eastern civilization, but influenced by both they are distinctly different from either. They have always been a breeding ground for despots. Peter, and Catherine each tried to westernize Russia, but after their demises the reforms decayed, and disappeared.

    I think that had they began a democratic republic around the time that we did it would have drowned in a sea of bloodshed. Of course we came close to that ourselves killing two percent of our population in the war between the states.

    They did try something somewhat similar during the Red vs. White conflagration at the turn of the twentieth century. It failed, Whites lost, despite being abetted by allied American troops on Russian soil.

    It is curious as to why (but another long story) we have been allied with Russia more often that not throughout our nation's history.

    Maybe we are lucky, maybe Russia is not.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Sep 14, 2012, at 4:25 PM
  • Funny CPp.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Sep 14, 2012, at 4:29 PM
  • Nice brief on Russian history, OKR.

    Inthemiddle, I believe you took my comparison of the U.S. and Russia too literally. Obviously, we don't line up the dissenters against the wall and fill them full of lead, but we have plenty of ruthless people in our midst (both corporate and government) who use paper bullets to achieve much the same result, as evidenced by the economic meltdown. And, time after time, we've witnessed the remorseless collusion between members on Capitol Hill and the corporate sector as they clearly put themselves ahead of their country and its people.

    Whatever actions are taken on both sides of the ocean, it's all about power and control, either by brutality or treachery. It's all the same difference.

    -- Posted by Slater on Sat, Sep 15, 2012, at 11:57 AM
  • At the following link is a tid bit regarding cigars, battle orders, and the bloodiest day in U.S. history when 23,000 were killed.

    We are not a peaceful people. That is something that the Corporate Commanders have failed to consider. We may be stupid, malleable, and soft at the moment, but lurking inside our collective conciousness is a wrathful monster. Woe to them if they push us too far.


    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Sep 15, 2012, at 3:13 PM
  • A slight correction that in no way affects the import of your post: About 6,500 were killed at Antietam, according to "Antietam: America's Deadliest Day," published in the September edition of VFW Magazine (thanks to Richard Clemens for sharing his copy!). As the headline indicates, it was the bloodiest single day of warfare in American history. More died at Gettysburg, but that was over a three-day span. More died at Iwo Jima, but that battle lasted more than a month. The deaths at Antietam occurred in about 11 hours, according to the article.

    -- Posted by Eric Crump on Sat, Sep 15, 2012, at 3:31 PM
  • Interesting take on the cultural characteristics that contribute to the recent violence at US embassies:

    "Why is the Arab world so easily offended?"


    -- Posted by Eric Crump on Sat, Sep 15, 2012, at 5:42 PM
  • Thanks Eric (and Richard), I obviously erred by reading casualties as deaths, casualties includes wounded, missing, and captured.

    Still as you stated, the point remains the same.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Sep 15, 2012, at 6:08 PM
  • I think it's important to realize that in the Arab world, indeed in many parts of the world, governments are in control of newspapers, publishing, the internet - all methods of communication - and they can and DO manipulate what people see and hear.

    Contrast that with the US, where the government does not have control of all methods of communication and it isn't hard to understand why Muslims get so angry. They feel the government should be controlling the idiots like the "Reverend" Terry Jordan and not allowing him to be insulting. We don't understand them and they do not understand us...BUT look at the reaction of conservatives to the Dr. Pepper ad campaign that touches on evolution. Granted that the boycott of Dr. Pepper is non-violent, but is it any less a misguided, overblown reaction to a perceived insult? I don't think so.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Sat, Sep 15, 2012, at 6:46 PM
  • The Arab world hates us and that's all there is to it.They have us so paranoid that it doesn't matter what we say or do they want us out of their way of life, and think we want to change their Culture, why wouldn't they feel that way? We give them Money,hand over fist.We interfere in every Country we come in contact with,and never leave when were done! How would we feel if they, (muslim) tried too do the same here?I think that's why were hated so much in the World! We owe them nothing so why keep this Country broke, funding them too fight us?They are playing us like a fiddle!An opinion!

    -- Posted by Jo on Sat, Sep 15, 2012, at 8:00 PM
  • I agree 100% with Jo

    -- Posted by mofireman on Sun, Sep 16, 2012, at 9:02 AM
  • Maybe we should study the history of the Islamic discover how they expand their Islamic beliefs and you would find that they are guilty of the same thing as Europeans were conquering you ever notice there is no Islamic missionarys if you will notice their history the way the expand is to conquer a country and force the citizens to convert. I will bring of the Iranian Christian Pastor who objected to his kids being taught the Koran. So they charged him with Apostasy for being Islamic and converting Christian and almost got put to death,

    The arab spring was not a rise democracy but a rise in Islamic Radicals. Maybe we should all read what independent people say what is in the koran from what I read their is no peaceful text in there and let us not forget how the treat their women, as second class citizens that is taught or interperted in Koran..

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Sun, Sep 16, 2012, at 9:11 AM
  • And the maker of that crappy Islamic in our country has the right to make that movie, he should not have been detained for questioning my God they knocked on his door at midnight kind of reminds me of what the nazis did...They took away Freedom of speech and press all under the fear of a certain part of society was going to take over. Now they will disguise what they did to the film maker as well he may have violated probation or something like that. Have we become such cowards that when Islamic Radicals start acting up in another country we have to bow down to their threats and demands and start taking away our freedoms? When the marines where killed back when Reagan was president he answered by attacking the very people that did this...What effect did this have well we instilled a little bit of fear and respect in the radicals for the most part they were just mouthy and left us alone for a good long while. Our country missed an opportunity of instilling a little bit of respect by not responding to this attack on diplomats with a very heavy hand.. Then maybe just maybe they would back off for awhile.

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Sun, Sep 16, 2012, at 9:45 AM
  • Jason.

    They didn't deny them man his free speach. Had was a convicted felon who, as part of his sentencing, was not to access or have access to the internet.

    They were investigating wheter or not he was in violation of his probation requirement.

    The problem is hysteria. We get hysterical about everything these days.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Sun, Sep 16, 2012, at 11:12 AM
  • Jason you said, "you ever notice there is no Islamic missionarys if you will notice their history the way the expand is to conquer a country and force the citizens to convert."

    Jason that is totally wrong. I wish you would research your concepts before you post them. It is an interesting concept that I did not know the answer to. Neither did you, but you posted your thought anyway. That makes you appear stupid, and you are not. You are just ignorant in some ways as am I, and everyone else.

    I did the research regarding your statement. That is how I know you were wrong. I am not going to share with you the links I checked out because you should have done it yourself, and I am not going to reward lazy scholarship. You have several choices at this point, make a good one. :)

    By the way I hope things went well with your son's surgery. Did it come out well?

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Sep 16, 2012, at 11:33 AM
  • ""And what will explain to you what the steep path is? It is the freeing of a (slave) from bondage; or the giving of food in a day of famine to an orphan relative, or to a needy in distress. Then will he be of those who believe, enjoin fortitude and encourage kindness and compassion." Chapter 90, Verses 12-17 (Quo'ran)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Sep 16, 2012, at 11:43 AM
  • You can't yell fire in a theater, it's just not what you do.

    Some people just don't get that, so it is a law too.

    The whole world is a theatre, and that is something new.

    Other panic causing words, should now be subject to review.

    That is something to consider, it's just another view. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Sep 16, 2012, at 12:01 PM
  • I was referring to sharia law to better explain what I meant here is a link. http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Islamic_Law Now when your in the country and your not Islamic your generally governed differently however there are radicals that want to impose this on everyone and I will argue that they truly want everybody to follow this and they do there utmost efforts rather by force other means to have its people adhere to sharia law if you notice they interwoven Islam with the way the govern a nation there is no sepparation of church and state ..And with recent history my thoughts on this is backed up look at Iran look at Afghanistan until Taliban was toppled they governed under their intterperation of Sharia or Islam law.

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Sun, Sep 16, 2012, at 1:04 PM
  • See my comments in the poltical blog Oklahoma and btw he is acting himself today no pain meds this morning what a trooper he has one more surgery after the first of the year we could have in November but I want him to enjoy the holidays and his birthday.

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Sun, Sep 16, 2012, at 1:21 PM
  • I would say this people should educate themselves on sharia law which right now is the sect Islam that is spreading I would recommend you look at the recent history of Iran they toppled the Ayatollha replaced him with Sharia Law.

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Sun, Sep 16, 2012, at 1:27 PM
  • It's worth noting that WikiIslam is a site that, in its own words, "WikiIslam's goal is to become the one-stop source of information critical of Islam" ... "whilst also allowing pro-Islamic responses in separate articles."

    I'd be interested in a disinterested, scholarly description of Sharia Law and will look around.

    My first impression of Sharia Law based on a quick look at the page Jason1969 posted is that it is comparable to Old Testament Bible law. They are guidelines for proper living that were particular to a time and culture long gone.

    -- Posted by taxedpayer on Sun, Sep 16, 2012, at 2:19 PM
  • My point is according to sharia law you must expand Islam by any means...That is what is going on with the Middle East. The Libyan President said that foreign people was responsible for the ambassadors death..Who do you think these foreigners are?? Al-Queda. Why are they their to spread their brand of Islam. What brand of Islam? Sharia Law...How does effect us in the USA? They become a bigger threat because no matter how we treat them rather being nice to them or not we are what they call Infidels and the Quoran tells them how to deal with infidels.

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Mon, Sep 17, 2012, at 12:19 AM
  • Let me spell it out to you there are different type of sects within the Islamic community and the ones that want to spread sharia law by any means necessary are radicals.. There are moderate Islamic people who live a Islamic life without being a threat right now the vast majority of the trouble makers who have taken the mission to the next level witch is a deadly choice.

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Mon, Sep 17, 2012, at 6:57 AM
  • His Mittness says, I want to be your President, trust me.

    No, you can't see my income tax returns. No, you can't see my offshore accounts. No, you can't see my Swiss Bank dealings. No, you can't see my Bain Capital stuff, and no, you can't come inside my church.

    Just trust me. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Sep 17, 2012, at 5:25 PM
  • Most U. S. and Afghan joint military operations are suspended following another attack on us by our Afghan allies who turned their guns on U. S. and British troops killing four U. S,, and two British soldiers.

    Meanwhile our forces in an airstrike killed eight Afghan women, and girls gathering firewood.

    This has become a nightmare of recurring madness.

    It's over Rover. OUT! NOW!


    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Sep 17, 2012, at 10:20 PM
  • I haven't, Potpie, but I wouldn't, since that place is on my DoNotPatronize list.

    -- Posted by Slater on Tue, Sep 18, 2012, at 1:47 AM
  • Answer the following questions to see which presidential candidates you side on most issues with.

    Be honest with yourself, I was and got a shock!


    -- Posted by Gal66 on Tue, Sep 18, 2012, at 8:02 AM
  • ChickenPotpie why should it be disconcerting?

    It is legal for them to sell them right?

    -- Posted by Gal66 on Tue, Sep 18, 2012, at 9:29 AM
  • Gal,

    My results were as expected.

    -- Posted by Interested Too on Tue, Sep 18, 2012, at 9:51 AM
  • ChickenPotpie a question for you can you tell me the prices of these assault rifles at the local wally world?

    -- Posted by Gal66 on Tue, Sep 18, 2012, at 5:58 PM
  • ChickenPotpie you must have deep pockets because 1100 bucks for a Colt M4 is out of reach for my check book. Looks like it is the highest priced firearm on the Walmart shelf.

    -- Posted by Amperage on Tue, Sep 18, 2012, at 9:03 PM
  • Well Chicken you were the disconcert one that first made the comment Walmart had cheap "Assault Rifles".You (most likely purposely)didn't mention that you were referring to the .22 cal rimfire look alike that is less than half the cost of the 5.56 nato version that is commonly referred to as the assault rifle. We get it. You don't understand assault rifles, but don't cloud your agenda with statements of ambiguity and vagueness making false comparisons that later you have to clarify or retract. That is the way of today's politicians.

    -- Posted by Amperage on Tue, Sep 18, 2012, at 11:01 PM
  • Perhaps before worrying about the "yokels" getting their "undies" in a wad, you should remove yours from around your neck so you may begin to receive the oxygen rich blood your brain so desperately needs.

    -- Posted by Amperage on Tue, Sep 18, 2012, at 11:04 PM
  • Anybody know of at least 5 pumpkin patches near here? And witch ones are the better ones?

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Wed, Sep 19, 2012, at 6:11 AM
  • Slater businessman Terry Jordan and town city officials have been victims of a viral vicious internet and twitter attack this week based on a hoax. Facebook and chat sites are alive with false information, and Jordan received death threats.

    This highlights the importance of understanding cyber bullying - which apparently isn't confined to school students. Reminder: free program on cyber bullying 6:30 p.m. Sept. 25 at Marshall High School with program provided by the mother of Megan Meier who became suicidal after cyber bullying. We could all learn more.

    -- Posted by former editor on Wed, Sep 19, 2012, at 8:46 AM
  • Jason1969,

    Re: pumpkin patches. There is one in Blackwater called Nowlin's, just off I-70, that's really nice. They have a corn maze, play area for the kids, bonfire, hay ride, concessions, etc. I've also seen one south of Sedalia on the west side of Hwy 65, but don't know anything about that one. If you're willing to drive, the best one I've seen is Carolyn's Pumpkin Patch in Liberty, but Shyrocks east of Columbia is really nice too.

    Hope this helps

    -- Posted by mojomama66 on Wed, Sep 19, 2012, at 10:43 AM
  • "An internal Department of Justice investigation"

    Regardless of the outcome does this not bother anyone else but me?

    -- Posted by Gal66 on Wed, Sep 19, 2012, at 5:26 PM
  • Yeh it bothers me G66 as have all the other bone headed fiascos of governmental operations that have occured in every administration during the fifty years I have been closely following politics. The worst part is that as a pragmatic Democrat I haven't gotten the periodic relief that Republicans get.

    I truly wish I could do as they, and turn a blind eye to the ever present boondoggles when the favored party is in office. Republicans have mastered not only that mental trick, but have also somehow learned to forget, and never mention any past screw up on their watch, no matter how egregious.

    When is the last time you heard a Republican rage about the excesses of the calamity filled eight years of Bush? Never, that's when. In fact they are all Rah rah now about a Bush clone whose head is full of the same concepts as Bush; a fellow who has almost as much trouble saying things as Bush, and also spends more time explaining what he meant to say than time spent on the original utterance.

    Perhaps it is some shared curse or disability they inherited along with riches from their respective President, and wanna be President fathers. They are eerily similar aren't they?

    As for me, an old populist Democrat, hell would freeze over before I voted for an over-aged rich brat, born on third base who has smugly gone through life thinking he hit a home run.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Sep 19, 2012, at 6:36 PM
  • Did they move the political blog?

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Thu, Sep 20, 2012, at 1:02 AM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    Do you mean the MDN politics forum? That hasn't moved. You can find it by scrolling down past Speak Out on the front pge or go directly to http://www.marshallnews.com/story/1876936.html
  • News... long time no see... sorry to say that the CONGRESS is not Republican... the HOUSE is republican and the SENATE is Democrat...

    As to the Veterans bill... I looked at information... those voting against it did so because it spent what a billion or more and did not really do anything that has not already been done so it was foolish to spend more money, when not off set in the budget somehow just to duplicate efforts already out there... just to have a feel good bill passed.... maybe this is just a pathetic attempt to garner military votes? lol

    -- Posted by mrxray on Thu, Sep 20, 2012, at 6:55 AM
  • Gal66... I agree.. being found not at fault by the organization that you are the head of is not really a "fair" effort nor a transparent or honest effort at attempting to find out what went wrong in a government sanctioned program that got US border agent MURDERED....

    That would be like a jury of 12 Drunks finding a person innocent of killing a person while driving drunk...

    -- Posted by mrxray on Thu, Sep 20, 2012, at 6:58 AM
  • It follows then Mr. X-ray that the case would be the same concerning Bush, Cheney, and Rumesfield whose malefeasance, and misinforming; as well as authorization of murder, and torture concerning the fiasco in Iraq have nearly brought our nation to its knees. I assume that you have written your congressman demanding that they be investigated, and held responsible if the evidence supports what seems apparent .

    Welcome back.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Sep 20, 2012, at 9:41 AM
  • As Jason suggested, let's move all this to the political blog. :)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Sep 20, 2012, at 9:45 AM
  • Hell both dems and repubs are nothing but crooks

    -- Posted by Gal66 on Thu, Sep 20, 2012, at 10:01 AM
  • Is there a new release forthcoming regarding the hogwash at Edmunson Creek?

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Sep 20, 2012, at 11:12 AM
  • Probably just a slap on the wrist! They get away with it and the neighbors suffer. Hope this paper tells the public what the end result is.

    -- Posted by fresh air on Fri, Sep 21, 2012, at 1:45 AM
  • -- Posted by cheesehead on Sat, Sep 22, 2012, at 12:15 AM
  • Fast forward to the 4 minute mark, Go Owls!!!!


    -- Posted by Tigers/Owls4Life96 on Sat, Sep 22, 2012, at 1:17 PM
  • Recently when traveling all day on the Interstate, and having passed the same slower moving vehicles for the fourth time that day, the thought occured to me that if the movie business really wanted to pack old folks back into their houses, they would have three intermissions in each movie. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Sep 22, 2012, at 1:51 PM
  • Wow CPp, I have enjoyed you comments here, but I'm not sure, speaking from a white male septugenerian's perspective, that I would ever want to meet you in person. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Sep 22, 2012, at 2:41 PM
  • I would like an official statement from the school district explaining what REALLY occurred at the schools on Friday. As a parent, I have a right to know if my children were ever in danger. The rumors surrounding all of this are numerous and it is impossible to know what is true.

    I understand why the school district didn't send out a text at the time of the event (although the Sweet Springs school district did when a similar situation occurred in their district a couple of weeks ago). However, a text SHOULD have been sent following the event providing an explanation. My children are scared. I need to know that my children are going to be safe returning to school. More importantly, my kids need to feel safe. The district needs to address this immediately.

    -- Posted by born-n-raised on Sun, Sep 23, 2012, at 2:15 PM
  • ChickenPP and Cheesehead, it would be nice if you would include a short description of the content that you link along with the link. In some cases, some of us readers are not interested in particular conversations here in the blog, and we would not have to open a link just to find out that it relates to one of those conversations.

    In other cases, some of us read from restricted environments from time to time. My employer does not allow access to youtube, fleabay, CraigsList, and many .org domains and blogs. Having some clue of the content may keep us from having to come back to this blog (which is NOT blocked for me!) from a different computer on an outside internet connection, only to discover that the topic is of no interest.

    I'm not intending to be critical of your links. I liked the link on the use of 'I', but some of the other links I've seen over the last year or so have been time-wasters for me when I had no interest in the topic.

    -- Posted by TerryM on Mon, Sep 24, 2012, at 4:08 PM
  • I am really happy for the kids of MHS they have a hardworking football team and it shows..Kids tend to have more fun when they are winning for some reason.

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Tue, Sep 25, 2012, at 7:32 AM
  • How many of you know that the Republican aspirant to the Presidency is named Willard M. Romney. That is his legal name. He goes by Mitt which may be his middle name, though it may be Milton, as he was named after his father's cousin Milton.

    O. K. birthers, I'm sure you are going to join me in demanding that Willard Milton Romney produce his original birth certificate. We don't want a President that goes by an alias, mostly criminals do that. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Sep 25, 2012, at 9:10 PM
  • Here is a list of the top ten currently banned books. Any in the Marshall library?


    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Sep 25, 2012, at 11:15 PM
  • OKR, #5 is my favorite! :)

    -- Posted by Slater on Wed, Sep 26, 2012, at 12:51 AM
  • Hey Slater! I have read only #7, and #10 from the list. Both are excellent books. I will keep an eye open for #5 based on your recommendation. At the moment I have about six books lined up to read, and have neglected my reading a bit.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Sep 26, 2012, at 11:32 AM
  • Just stumbled across this link. Want to know how much your local educators earn? Just copy this link and fill in the blanks:


    -- Posted by cmasretire on Wed, Sep 26, 2012, at 2:53 PM
  • Me, too, OKR. I've accumulated a pile of 27, also resulting from neglect due to my "hobby" of collecting and monkeying with the old movies.

    I haven't read #5; I just thought it has a catchy title, but I do plan to see if I can locate it and throw it onto the pile.

    Did you notice the sudden moderation of temps after 9:49 a.m., 9/22?

    -- Posted by Slater on Wed, Sep 26, 2012, at 3:43 PM
  • cmasretire

    That was last years salaries. These are not up to date. Better yet look up the 30 Teachers who left the district last year or the ones who were demotted. That number comes to pretty penny.

    -- Posted by public informant on Wed, Sep 26, 2012, at 4:13 PM
  • OKR, if things are as they ought to be, ALL of those books are in the Marshall library.

    -- Posted by Miss Marple on Wed, Sep 26, 2012, at 4:28 PM
  • Thanks MM. I'm thinking there was a book war in Marshall a few years ago. I am glad the Freedom Fighters won. Yea!

    LOL Slater you are worse than me. :)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Sep 26, 2012, at 4:35 PM
  • Mitt is his middle name. That is the name he uses. Just like Hiram Ulysses Simpson Grant went by Ulysses, Ulysses Simpson Grant was a mistake in a form filled-out by his Congressman while applying to West Point. Grant was horrifed at the prospect of his initials-HUG- on luggage making him the butt of college jokes, he let the mistake become permanent.

    Stephen Grover Cleveland preferred Grover; Thomas Woodrow Wilson went by Woodrow; and John Calvin Coolidge was another who preferred his middle name.

    PS it was the Democrats who first began the whole birth certificate issue in 2008. John McCain was not born in the USA. Democrats wanted proof he was born on an American military base in Panama. McCain showed his and asked to see then candidate, Obama's. The rest is history.

    -- Posted by inthemiddle on Wed, Sep 26, 2012, at 5:45 PM
  • ITM how do you know his middle name is Mitt, and not Milton? Please share your source with me.

    His income tax filing shows Willard M. Romney. Biographical sites state that his father named him after his cousin (Milton).

    It is unbecoming of a President to be called officially by a nickname.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Sep 26, 2012, at 9:46 PM
  • Romney refuses to show his birth cerificate. http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/04/wheres-mitt-romneys-birth-ce...

    InTheMiddle I just found this information as I searched for clear, and convincing evidence that Mitt is his real name. Did you know that in kindergarten he was known as Billy? Did you know that the Milton he was named for also chose to go by "Mitt"?

    Who knows there may be law suits filed to attempt to get to the truth of this matter. There is recent precedent concerning a presidential candidates refusal to furnish an original birth certificate.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Sep 26, 2012, at 10:02 PM
  • "Boston Globe columnist Joan Vennochi wrote on the origins of his name:

    "His first name is "Willard," after the hotel magnate J. Willard Marriott, his father's best friend.

    His middle name comes from his father's cousin, who played quarterback for the Chicago Bears from 1925 to 1929. That cousin's name was "Milton" and his nickname was "Mitt" -- a totally understandable preference for a football player or a presidential candidate.

    She could not, however, obtain a birth certificate confirming it."

    (From The Huff Post)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Sep 26, 2012, at 10:39 PM
  • An alleged copy of Willard Romney's became public in May 2012. It was actually an undated hand out photo obtained by Reuters on May 29th, 2012.

    We all know there are millions of Americans that find that sort of evidence worthless.


    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Sep 26, 2012, at 10:54 PM
  • Look closely at the alleged copy of Romney's birth certificate linked in the previous post.

    Though it shows the middle name Mitt, the bottom of the letters are slightly higher on the page than his first name, and last name. Also "Mitt" appears slanted to the right as if someone had changed it later. Hmmmm?

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Sep 26, 2012, at 11:03 PM
  • Anyone going by the name Mitt would be a fake.

    Hey! Wasn't there a movie with a rat in it named Willard?

    -- Posted by Slater on Thu, Sep 27, 2012, at 1:32 AM
  • Marshall lady arrested for DWI with child in car!? Interesting case. MDN should follow this.


    -- Posted by CaptainPlanet on Thu, Sep 27, 2012, at 5:17 PM
  • Nicknames like "jack Kennedy" or "Teddy Roosevelt" are unbecoming of a President! Both were actually nicknames. Get real people, you guys are nitpicking just because of Romney's political view and Republican persuasion etc. I guess it is actually OK by your standards if a Democrat uses an acceptible nickname. Even William Jefferson Clinton used a form of his name "Bill"!

    This election has so much more importance to consider than the dribble talked about on this forum.

    -- Posted by farmer'sgranddaughter on Fri, Sep 28, 2012, at 12:24 PM
  • Farmersdaughter I don't recall that you expressed your dissatisfaction when the Obama birthers were spreading their nonsense on the blog.

    I'm sorry that you don't like this form of parody, and satire. Some do. Thanks for expressing you're view, that is what the blogis for. :)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Sep 28, 2012, at 12:49 PM
  • LMAO OKreader - thanks for the entertainment regarding "Mitt"! It was a good afternoon read. :-)

    -- Posted by koeller77 on Fri, Sep 28, 2012, at 2:34 PM
  • Does anyone know when Arrow Rock Craft Festival is?

    -- Posted by meagain on Fri, Sep 28, 2012, at 4:04 PM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    It's Saturday, Oct. 13, and Sunday, Oct. 14.
  • Thanks K77. I also want to give a shout out to the others who participated in our not so sublime online political farce. :)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Sep 28, 2012, at 6:22 PM
  • Also, does anyone know when the Blackwater haunted hayride is?

    -- Posted by meagain on Sat, Sep 29, 2012, at 9:31 AM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    Fri & Sat, Oct. 5 and 6 and Oct. 12 and 13. Donations: $12 for adults and $8 for kids 12 and under (children 3 and under are free). Reservatioins: 660-888-2300.

    More info:


  • Thanks, Eric for being a human calendar, and the quick response!

    -- Posted by meagain on Sat, Sep 29, 2012, at 1:55 PM
  • Willard Romney's belatedly released 2011 tax return shows that he invested in Chinese oil, stem cell research, and Plan B abortion pills.


    Sorry Tea Party folks, it doesn't look like you have a dog in the hunt this election cycle. Have you considered the Constitution Party candidate? Now there is someone who believes as you do. Send your message, vote Constitution Party!


    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Sep 29, 2012, at 2:23 PM
  • Sounds like your worried about the election Oklahoma. Is it Barry warry didn't do what he said he was going to do and he had 2 years of complete control...Poor Barry warry may be getting an eviction notice soon.

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Sat, Sep 29, 2012, at 4:10 PM
  • So jason, are you going to endorse stem cell research, and plan B abortion right along with Willard Romney? I am sorry for the anguish that you must be about to suffer as you make the difficult decision.

    Did you check out The Constitution Party at the link I provided?

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Sep 29, 2012, at 4:52 PM
  • Jason, when you say "Barry warry," I suppose we should conclude that you're referring to Obama.

    For a second, your use of "Barry" had me flashing back to 1964 and Barry Goldwater's campaign of paranoia.

    In my estimation, by their actions of self-serving greed and egotism over the last 12 years, our government (all branches) and its corporate partners have done all but sign this country's death warrant.

    -- Posted by Slater on Sat, Sep 29, 2012, at 4:55 PM
  • To those who have read more than one Central Missouri newspaper online in the past ten years, I wanted to mention that Irene Haskins, columnist for The Columbia Tribune since 1977, has died.

    Her obituary is available free to readers at The Columbia Tribune website. Services are scheduled for 2 p.m. Monday, Oct 1 at Jesse Hall, University of Missouri campus.

    Irene's outlook on life was zestful and full of fun. Her lucky readers shared many smiles.

    -- Posted by upsedaisy on Sat, Sep 29, 2012, at 10:40 PM
  • Yes Eric would you please give us specifics as to logistics, and price for the revisions.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Sep 30, 2012, at 8:13 PM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:

    Go to www.marshallnews.com/access

    If you answer the first question "no" (that you're not a current print subscriber) you'll then get a choice at the next screen of signing up for a print subscription, which includes unlimited online access (New subscriber special: Sign up for print delivery (with online access) and receive the first three months for the price of two! Price: $21.50 for the first three months, then $10.75 per month) or online-only subscription at $9 per month.

    Whichever you choose, the next step is a form collecting necessary address and credit card information.

    There will be no need to get a new user ID, as I understand it. If you go by XYZ now, you'll still use XYZ with the same password after you subscribe -- you'll just have unlimited access.

  • I'm signed up News, how about you. :)

    Anyone else signed up?

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Sep 30, 2012, at 8:38 PM
  • I am extremely disappointed with the lack of access to the e edition I am now paying for. The only thing I can bring up are the thumb nail sketches that will not enlarge, and just set there taunting me with an inch high newspaper page.

    Actually I am not dissappointed, I am disgusted. I have New York Times on line, and have never had any problem navigating, nor getting to it. With this one I have even had trouble getting it to accept my pass word. In fact I had to change it to even get to the thumb nails. The instruction says enter your name (Oklahoma Reader), but it really means enter your e mail address.

    I will keep trying for a day, or two, if I still get these ridiculous technical problems I am canceling, and gone from this site.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Oct 1, 2012, at 5:39 PM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    Something is amiss. Email me your phone number and I'll call you tomorrow to see if I can help.
  • GMcFly I had that coming. All the best to you. :)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Oct 1, 2012, at 8:05 PM
  • OKR,

    It sounds like your computer may be ailing. Run a good scan and see if anything turns up in your Java program.

    -- Posted by Slater on Mon, Oct 1, 2012, at 8:32 PM
  • OKR...do the following:

    1) Reboot. In case that isn't a familiar term, it means take your system down and bring it back up again.

    2) Log in again to the newspaper website.

    3) If that doesn't fix it, consider having your computer looked at.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Mon, Oct 1, 2012, at 8:53 PM
  • Reboot didn't work. I am doing a disc cleanup, and some other stuff I can do. My computer does everything else I want it to do except the MDN reader. I am already kicking out $108.00 a year so I can post on these blogs. I am not inclined to spend another $100.00 or more for the pleasure on computer repair. If I can't get it going with what I can do to the computer I guess it will be adios.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Oct 1, 2012, at 11:30 PM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:

    Your browsing experience should not be affected at all by the new subscription arrangement. I'd be glad to help you sort out the problem.

  • Thanks Slater, and KF. :)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Oct 1, 2012, at 11:33 PM
  • Oklahoma, I get the same thing. Frustrating.

    Have a great day.

    -- Posted by missy08 on Tue, Oct 2, 2012, at 7:20 AM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    Just a reminder: We'll be glad to help! If you'd rather not call the paper (660-886-2233) you can email me or call toll free 1-800-444-4812.
  • Missy08 and OKR and anyone else who is running into trouble, I think we have a solution, thanks to a subscriber who called in just now and provided more details.

    Once you have logged into the website with your regular user ID (missy08, for example, or Oklahoma Reader), that's it. You're in. If you're paid up, you get unlimited access. If not, you'll eventually run into the paywall.

    If you click on the e-edition login, you'll go to a different place. I should have realized there might be some confusion about this. The website and the e-edition are similar products but delivered by different means.

    The website is the same as it always has been, but with more content.

    The e-edition, which we've had for several years, is hosted by another company, Tecnavia. Subscribers to the e-edition get the newspaper exactly as it appears in print, but through web access to PDF files. It's not interactive. There are no comment features in the e-edition. It's a digital version of the paper.

    If you're a print or online subscriber, go to marshallnews.com as you've always done and login as normal.

    -- Posted by Eric Crump on Tue, Oct 2, 2012, at 8:39 AM
  • Thank you, Eric!!! Have a great day.


    -- Posted by missy08 on Tue, Oct 2, 2012, at 12:18 PM
  • Thank you Eric. Guess you guys are stuck with me for a while. Yep, I can hear some groans about that way down here in OKC.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Oct 2, 2012, at 3:51 PM
  • I'll be hoping for the best of outcomes for all of you News.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Oct 2, 2012, at 10:01 PM
  • I really think the city/county should do more to let individuals know the square is one way. Yes I know there are signs, however clearly this isn't enough. Someone is gonna get hurt. Not sure what exactly to do tho...

    -- Posted by Scarpetta on Wed, Oct 3, 2012, at 10:05 AM
  • So should the city/county also do more about how to STOP at a STOP sign? It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out which way to go. Marshall also isn't the only town with a one way square- learn to drive, or don't drive. Just sayin.

    -- Posted by prd123 on Wed, Oct 3, 2012, at 10:38 AM
  • Anyone know what happened at Wal-Mart tonight? We went there around 9:30p.m. There was a really loud alarm going off. We stood by the registers for a bit to see what was going on. There were 2 police officers checking out, but seemed unaffected by the alarm. After a couple minutes, all the shoppers started heading towards the doors, saying they were told to evacuate. What now???

    -- Posted by k_m on Wed, Oct 3, 2012, at 10:33 PM
  • The first presidential debate is over. My initial take away is that Romney performed better than Obama, and will likely get a 2% bump in the polls conducted immediately post debate. That is double the percentage swing typical of the first presidential debate.

    Romney was the more forceful actor, perhaps even bull doggish when refusing to yield the floor when asked by the moderator Jim Lehrer. Obama played close to type, staying with his cool persona,and was not as assertive in comparison. That point I believe favors Romney in my opinion because the people are emotionally desperate for strong assertive leadership.

    As to who was truthful, and who was deceiving, the following link to Politifact can likely give you that in the morning. My own impression is that there were more half truths than actual lies from both men, with Obama getting a slight edge on accuracy. I admit to being from the left, and one should consider that when judging the veracity of my opinion. Now I'm off to the tube to see what others thought. :) http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2012/oct/03/fact-checking-denver...

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Oct 3, 2012, at 10:33 PM
  • prd123, your answer is the obvious one...but as you have hinted at...common sense is not among the majority. Hell if everyone thought like you, we would have no need for laws or law enforcement. That being said, one would think that signs and directional parking would be a DUH factor...but it's not.

    In addition I admit I'm not as well traveled as you must be, but I'm aware of no other one way square. Since you say they are out there I don't doubt you, maybe those areas just have more common sense patrons than those that frequent our square.

    Now, I was just voicing an opinion to keep people and their vehicles safe. Guess I hit a nerve. I won't disagree that driving is far too complex for some...

    -- Posted by Scarpetta on Thu, Oct 4, 2012, at 9:47 PM
  • Throw your wimpy guns away.


    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, Oct 4, 2012, at 11:14 PM
  • One is the loneliest number CPp. ;) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haT8g7oKnns

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Oct 4, 2012, at 11:54 PM
  • Wow rr3, now that gun is a phallic symbol for the ages. Other than wrappin' hands around it to feel good what's a gun like that for?

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Oct 4, 2012, at 11:58 PM
  • Did Romney cheat as well as lie? Watch the video, and you decide. http://markcrispinmiller.com/2012/10/did-romney-cheat-as-well-as-lie/

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Oct 5, 2012, at 9:35 PM
  • Say it ain't so Willard M. Romney. No more cookies for the Cookie Monster? No more rent subsidy on the garbage can for Oscar the Grouch? Did you really say pluck Big Bird? Are you applying Bain Capital tactics to Sesame Street? Are you going to make Elmo prostitute his innocent little self, make him give his all to the highest bidder? Are you turning Sesame Street into Detroit Avenue?

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Oct 5, 2012, at 10:13 PM
  • Oklahoma,

    Its doesnt surprise me this guy would cheat and sneak a note card on the podium. He will do and say ANYTHING to win. I knew he lied but didnt realize he did this.

    As far as the debate goes I actually found something Newt Gingrich said that I agree with.'You Cannot Debate Somebody Who Is Dishonest'Gingrich said there was "no practical way" to deal with somebody who is willing to say something "totally dishonest."


    -- Posted by cheesehead on Sat, Oct 6, 2012, at 3:36 PM
  • Why do some people have to always bring up racism to prove they are not?

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sun, Oct 7, 2012, at 10:12 AM
  • Why do you dodge the point so often rr3 regarding racism? The Arkie made a racist, and stupid statement. Why not just own up once in a while when something is racist. You are as slippery as an eel. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Oct 7, 2012, at 10:39 AM
  • Scarp, the square around the Audrain County courthouse in Mexico has been one-way counter-clockwise (just like Marshall) for over fifty years. Also, I believe the square around the Henry County courthouse in Clinton is the same. I think the square around the Franklin County courthouse in Union is also one way - all counter-clockwise.

    -- Posted by TerryM on Sun, Oct 7, 2012, at 6:06 PM
  • Some people will say that the left is racist by holding back minorities. There are people who are not conservatives but people who identify them as far right these people are idiots...I firmly believe that we as nation have been holding back the African Americans. This group of people should not be identified by their race but what they have done for this nation I feel like the left has delibaretly held them back...And when an African Man is a conservative why is it the left that calls him/her and uncle tom? Is that not racist?

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Sun, Oct 7, 2012, at 6:43 PM
  • Just so you know this new site blows not being able to stay updated with your hometown without subscribing well I no longer live in Marshall why should I have to pay to read a online paper? I know CNN and fox news not even the st louis post dispatch charges internet users to read a paper yeah they leave certain things out but don't prevent people from reading. I see this site losing a lot of viewers with this change.

    -- Posted by nathanm89 on Mon, Oct 8, 2012, at 3:05 AM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    Just a clarification: We don't charge for access to our website. Our new website subscription is for unlimited access to website content.
  • Think of the Marshall square as a really big "roundabout", way before the US discovered how functional they are in Europe. Roundabouts only go in one direction, and bear the direction of the side of the road you drive on (US on the right, so bear right). Our city fathers were ahead of their time, or perhaps blissfully ignorant of their correct choice :-)

    -- Posted by RationalThinker on Mon, Oct 8, 2012, at 4:14 AM
  • Rational, that may be exactly what it needs. A roundabout sign...

    -- Posted by Scarpetta on Mon, Oct 8, 2012, at 6:53 AM
  • I hate to say it but I agree. Was this a local or corporate decision to charge for online edition?

    I think you guys do a fabulous job with the paper and I am incredibly grateful to have a local paper BUT

    I am not a fan of the new internet policy. I look at the webpage more to just catch up when I have a bit of time to waste. I can do that on MSN or Yahoo for free. I hate to say it but its not worth the $9 a month to keep up with who was hurt in the one car accident on 65, etc. and I do not want to kill more trees with the paper edition.

    I'm also sad that people who might have viewed the edition but can not afford to read it will have even less access to information and services now. Atleast before they could log on at libraries, offices, etc. I hope the libraries will still have access.

    Also sadly people who are advertising will also have fewer people checking out the ads.

    I know you have to generate revenue some way. I hope this works. Having a local paper is very important.

    -- Posted by Mrs. on Mon, Oct 8, 2012, at 3:48 PM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    Rust Communications newspapers are in the process of moving to this model. Please note, though, that the new approach does not prevent all access to local news. Everyone still has unlimited access to index pages with headlines and brief story summaries (the front page, for example, or http://www.marshallnews.com/sports/ or http://www.marshallnews.com/news/). Everyone can read up to seven stories every 30 days at no charge. The subscription buys unlimited access to all content. So far, we have not seen a reduction in website traffic.
  • why can I not read or subscribe to news paper, get the same thing each time, have not hardley read paper on line this month, but still says I have used my time, don't understang

    -- Posted by buttons on Mon, Oct 8, 2012, at 6:32 PM
  • you a joke eric crump.....just like every other thing in this town does...if we dont fire everyone and start over this town is goin to just blow away...for example the elected officials around here..MAYOR,CITY ADMINSTRATOR..ARE THE WORST THEY KEEP MORE JOBS OUT OF THIS TOWN THAN THEY THEY DO IN IT.....COME ON PEOPLE WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!

    -- Posted by bc65340 on Tue, Oct 9, 2012, at 11:51 AM
  • Biting the hand that feeds you bc6? That is smart. ROTFLMAO!

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Oct 9, 2012, at 12:34 PM
  • elaborate please!!oklahoma your the wise one i read on here all the time. so go ahead and amuse me again

    -- Posted by bc65340 on Tue, Oct 9, 2012, at 1:00 PM
  • Here you go bc6: You read, and post here at Eric's discretion. You fire off at him, perhaps oblivious to the possibility that if he chooses to do so he can pull your plug. That's what I meant by biting the hand that feeds you. :)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Oct 9, 2012, at 1:29 PM
  • look at the headlines!!!our wonderful mayor proclaims another week of something...get jobs to marshall...why we pay this person is absurd to me

    -- Posted by bc65340 on Tue, Oct 9, 2012, at 3:59 PM
  • Mayors should do proclamations. It is part of the job. Give him a break, it is basically a volunteer position. His salary of a $300.00 or so a month probably doesn't cover his gasoline costs.

    But, there will be another election in a few years, and maybe you can run for the office yourself.

    I think the Mayor breaks ties in the council, does ceremonial things and makes appointments. He obviously does other things as well, and has to deal with a good number of people.

    You know how it goes; no matter what you do, it generally upsets about 1/2 of the people, so after awhile, you lose your standing with a lot of them.

    -- Posted by Interested Too on Tue, Oct 9, 2012, at 4:16 PM
  • do your research he gets paid alot more than that..and i might run you never know..i sure can sign a proclamation day whoopi....

    -- Posted by bc65340 on Tue, Oct 9, 2012, at 4:25 PM
  • Correction: Well.... I don't like this... I like to check out the news on here because it's about the best place to catch up on the news in this area. However, I don't live in Marshall, I don't get the printed version, and I really don't want to spend mondy just to read up on the news on the Internet.... I can find out all of this information for free on different sites... I just have to do more searching. I'm sorry, I love reading the Marshall Democrat News Online; however, if I am limited on my viewings because I am not a paid subscriber..... I may just not get on here much at all anymore..... I think Eric does a great job.... but I can't do this.

    -- Posted by djenme on Tue, Oct 9, 2012, at 4:30 PM
  • Eric, please delete my first two entries.... It's the end of the day.... My spelling got away from me.... No sense having multiple posts of the same thing right?

    -- Posted by djenme on Tue, Oct 9, 2012, at 4:35 PM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    Consider it done!
  • Let me just say this, I HATE THE NEW PAY TO LOOK AT THE PAPER ONLINE BUSINESS!!!!!!!!!! I can't afford the paper subscription and now I can't even look at the general information without paying for that. Do the advertisers, classified run, and the subscriptions not cover the little bit that the online readers had access to?

    -- Posted by RedAngel on Tue, Oct 9, 2012, at 4:47 PM
  • I did do my research. Here's another little factoid for you; the city administrator is NOT an elected position.

    If I am off by $100.00 a month on the Mayor's salary, sorry.

    -- Posted by Interested Too on Tue, Oct 9, 2012, at 6:21 PM
  • I don't live in Saline county anymore so I enjoyed seeing what was going on in my hometown from time to time via MDN. But if you're expecting me to pay a fee to read stories about "giant mushrooms" and "giant trees falling" in Marshall I guess we are going to have to part ways MDN. What a sad day indeed.

    -- Posted by tigger2118 on Tue, Oct 9, 2012, at 10:11 PM
  • According to city officials, Marshall's mayor receives $350 per month. Council members receive $250 per month.

    -- Posted by Eric Crump on Wed, Oct 10, 2012, at 9:42 AM
  • I believe that one of the benefits of Midwifery week is that... we now know that there are midwives available locally. I did not know that previously.

    -- Posted by Interested Too on Wed, Oct 10, 2012, at 10:25 AM
  • I am gunning for a Midlifery Week as well, as I go into crisis mode occassionally!

    -- Posted by Interested Too on Wed, Oct 10, 2012, at 10:31 AM
  • Just fyi, the Mayor does not "create" these proclamations. Organizations within our town request the proclamations.

    -- Posted by springvinnie on Wed, Oct 10, 2012, at 1:25 PM
  • Can someone please tell me how many "views" it takes per month until I can no longer read this thing online without paying $9.00/month?

    -- Posted by saya_cinta_pondans on Thu, Oct 11, 2012, at 5:50 AM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    Yes. You have unlimited access to index pages (the front page, http://www.marshallnews.com/news/, http://www.marshallnews.com/sports/ etc.) and you can read 7 stories in any given 30 day period. To read more stories requires a subscription.
  • I have a follow up question Eric. Is there unlimited access to the Speak Out features?

    It seems to me that if there is unlimited access to the sports section with the count beginning when you click on a story within the section, the parallel would be that if you click on Speak Out the count would begin when one chooses to post a comment.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Oct 11, 2012, at 10:46 AM
  • This totally stinks. I will not be paying and probably wont even check the paper period.

    -- Posted by speedfingers on Thu, Oct 11, 2012, at 10:52 AM
  • Biden wins!

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Oct 11, 2012, at 9:33 PM
  • That old man put a beating on the lying Ryan.

    -- Posted by cheesehead on Thu, Oct 11, 2012, at 11:47 PM
  • Ryan wins... all Biden could do is laugh maniacally, smirk, interrupt, be rude, point his pin at that moderator.... AND he LIED about the Libyan situation, throwing the intelligence agencies under the bus, discounting the FACT that the Diplomat requested multiple times to return the armed security units that OBAMA'S admin removed and refused to send back. Just to name a few problems... even the lame stream media... err the Obama propaganda network admitted that Joe, foot in mouth, Biden looked silly, condescending, and his laughter was stupid....

    -- Posted by mrxray on Fri, Oct 12, 2012, at 12:14 AM
  • Evidently I've missed some important discussions regarding access to this site, and what little I've seen seems to be vague and maybe misleading.

    The Columbia Tribune did something similar about two years ago when it put certain sections and activities off-limits to non-subscribers.

    I'm guessing the owners of MDN are planning to close this free site?

    A couple of years ago I bought a short online subscription (a $20 or $40 deal) but I didn't extend it, because the inside pages wouldn't allow my color scheme to override the defaults and I literally could not read it.

    I suppose I'll get the picture the day I show up to log in and can't.

    -- Posted by Slater on Fri, Oct 12, 2012, at 12:25 AM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:

    I hope the articles below help clear things up, but in short, on Oct. 1, we implemented a new subscription arrangement. Everyone still has free access to our website, but only subscribers (print or website) have unlimited access to articles. Subscription to the website is different than subscription to the online reader or e-edition, which is what I believe you are referring to. Let me know if you have further questions!



  • Hey MrXray! How the heck are you? Haven't seen you for a coon's age!

    -- Posted by Slater on Fri, Oct 12, 2012, at 12:32 AM
  • There may be disagreement as to who "won" last night's debate. There is no supported disagreement as to who won the lying contest. Paul Ryan won most prolific liar in a shut out, 4-0, according to Politifact, the Pulitzer Prize winning fact checker.

    He told four whoppers that were entirely false, or mostly false, including a regurgitation of Politifacts 2010 Lie of The Year.

    Joe Biden largely failed in the lying contest dissappointing cynics left, and right. He, as well as Ryan uttered a few half truths, but he could not muster a single entirely false, nor mostly false statement.

    Ryan picked up steam as the debate wore on, and it seemed to me that his nose became victim to the Pinnochio effect. See results for yourself: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2012/oct/11/fact-checking-vice-p...

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Oct 12, 2012, at 10:34 AM
  • OKR et al ... No matter who wins the debates and no matter who goes to the polls - the puppetmasters will make sure the person they can best handle makes it to the big white house in d.c. They wouldn't want a rogue politician who only wants what's best for the people in there - would they? Oh - right - there is no such thing as a politician who wants what's best for the people. Never mind.

    -- Posted by gentle ben on Fri, Oct 12, 2012, at 3:08 PM
  • As Bain Ships Jobs to China, Bainport Protesters Arrested for Blocking Illinois Factory's Closure


    -- Posted by cheesehead on Fri, Oct 12, 2012, at 7:56 PM
  • Senator Arlen Specter is dead. It is likely that his greatest regret was that he outlived the Republican Party that three generations of Americans had come to know. http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/10/14/14433097-andrea-mitchell-remembe...

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Oct 14, 2012, at 7:22 PM
  • had a thought about how zimmer is doing all the work and getting paid well for it and the msdc bunch are still getting paid as well ... but then i thought - what the heck. by the way - does msdc still get county and city money? if so - do the citizens of saline county and marshall know or have a right to know what the msdc crowd gets paid? just a question from an outsider who is trying hard to understand what's happening out there in the hinterlands.

    -- Posted by zeke on Mon, Oct 15, 2012, at 2:56 PM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    MSDC does receive city and county funding. It's possible that means salaries are public information. I'll check. I can say that MSDC staff work hard, too, and have been very involved in the Zimmer project from the beginning.
  • not questioning - really - how hard they work ... just wondering if the locals know the whole story ... i think the folks around there should be looking forward to some great things to come ... if all this works out.

    -- Posted by zeke on Tue, Oct 16, 2012, at 8:04 AM
  • Why is it that every time the nations flags are ordered to half staff in honor of some fallen personage the Martin Community Center does not lower the flags on their building? I noticed it again today. Rather disrespectful and not a good example for the community.

    -- Posted by momaster on Tue, Oct 16, 2012, at 7:32 PM
  • momaster, I doubt very much that there is any central communication going on about when the flag is to be lowered. Today, they are in honor of the late Senator Arlen Specter. Since no one knows where every flag is located, it isn't as if they're all getting a phone call or an email. And although I don't know this for certain, it's possible that flag-lowerings are optional, not mandatory.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Wed, Oct 17, 2012, at 10:46 AM
  • Here is the relevant information about flags:


    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Wed, Oct 17, 2012, at 10:48 AM
  • And that link clearly states at the dirction of the president on the death of a national political figure flags should be flown at half staff. The president ordered it. So back to my question...why didn't they do it? They didn't know? Guess they need to start listening to or reading the media!

    -- Posted by momaster on Thu, Oct 18, 2012, at 7:42 AM
  • Speak Out is now in front of the paywall -- meaning unlimited access for subscribers and nonsubscribers.

    -- Posted by Eric Crump on Thu, Oct 18, 2012, at 8:37 AM
  • Thanks for parting the waters Eric. :)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Oct 18, 2012, at 10:03 AM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    Glad to! :-)
  • And back to my comment - unless they are specifically looking for announcements on that subject, they wouldn't know.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Thu, Oct 18, 2012, at 11:16 AM
  • I wasn't looking for announcements on that subject but I knew.

    -- Posted by momaster on Thu, Oct 18, 2012, at 7:51 PM
  • Eric, thanks for making sure that the Speak Out forums are in front of the paywall. I haven't hit the limit yet (a little surprising)and really enjoy reading the various points of view. Besides the general forum here, I also enjoy the politics forum. I don't spend much time in the religion forum, but I do pass that way from time to time.

    I only lived in Marshall for a few years, but I enjoy the MDN online and get MUCH more out of it than my original hometown paper! Almost makes me want to move back when I retire in a few years!

    -- Posted by TerryM on Fri, Oct 19, 2012, at 12:14 PM
  • Nobody knows you like your homeys.

    The Salt Lake Tribune, Mormon country's biggest newspaper endorses Obama instead of Romney.

    Read why here: http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/55019844-82/romney-obama-state-president.ht...

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Oct 19, 2012, at 11:27 PM
  • NB,

    I believe I heard the weather reader on a local channel here mention that a big meteor shower is expected tonight. With no snow on your garage roof you should be fairly secure. :)

    -- Posted by Slater on Sun, Oct 21, 2012, at 6:30 PM
  • CNN reports:

    "A little girl was fighting for her life early Monday after she was shot outside a Halloween party by a relative who mistook her costume for a skunk.

    Police in western Pennsylvania's New Sewickley Township said the 9-year-old girl was dressed in black with a black hat for the Saturday evening party.

    As the two to three dozen guests milled about, the girl went to hide on the edge of a hill.

    It was past 8 p.m. and the sun had long set. A relative spotted the dark figure in the distance, mistook it for a skunk and fired his shotgun, said Officer Greg Carney with the township police.

    The girl was hit in the neck, back and arm - and flown to Children's Hospital of Pittsburgh, about 30 miles away. There, she remained in the intensive care unit, Carney said.

    Police will determine later Monday whether they will charge the shooter, whom they did not name. Nor did they say how he was related to the girl.

    They did add, however, that the man had not been drinking."

    This guy is a total idiot. People milling around his property and he can't even use a flashlight?

    He may not have been drinking, but he wasn't thinking either.

    Good luck to the little girl!

    -- Posted by Interested Too on Mon, Oct 22, 2012, at 10:09 AM
  • Gov Romney at the debate: We had a blue sky once when I was governor, so I like flowers. It sounded like one of his multiple personalities was a liberal Sarah Palin.

    -- Posted by cheesehead on Mon, Oct 22, 2012, at 11:44 PM
  • -- Posted by cheesehead on Tue, Oct 23, 2012, at 2:32 PM
  • Thank you Cheesehead for posting the proof of the despicable extreme radical right wing anti- abortion groups that Akin associates with, and for posting proof of the lies he has told denying his involvement.

    I don't understand as I have said before how any moral person can support Akin, a man who associates with those who advocate killing Doctors, and destroying legal medical clinics. He is one scary individual.

    If he should become a United States Senator from Missouri, it will bring shame to the state, and its citizens.

    I also wonder how true Republicans can vote for this man after he has been scorned by many Republican leaders in Missouri, and across the Nation. He brings shame, and will continue to bring shame to the Grand Old Party. The citizens of Missouri are presented an opportunity to expel him from public life. I hope they do their moral duty.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Oct 23, 2012, at 11:22 PM
  • I agree with OKR on not voting for Akin - but do I understand correctly that there is an assumption that blockading an abortion clinic isn't on par with picketing in front of a steel mill or NOT riding a bus in Birminhgham? All peaceful protests - which we have a constitutional right to do - unless someone calls in the thugs with baseball bats (called strike busters), or the guys in the swat gear, to disperse the crowd.

    Then again - I am kinda slow - maybe I'm just not getting it.

    And no, I am not in favor of killing doctors and burning clinics, for the record.

    -- Posted by gentle ben on Wed, Oct 24, 2012, at 8:24 AM
  • Gentleben the folks with whom Akin associated are a far cry from what most of us think of as peaceful protesters. From the link we are discussing: "Then there's Tim Dreste, the milita's chaplain and captain, whom Akin worked with in the pro-life movement and who, as it turns out, may even have been arrested along with him. Dreste was one of the most infamous anti-abortion activists in the state, known for threatening abortion doctors, leading several invasions of abortion clinics in the late 1980s, and apparently celebrating the murder of abortion doctor David Gunn in 1993."

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Oct 24, 2012, at 11:33 AM
  • The bigger question whe should be asking is how did Todd Akin come so far without being vetted by the media and Missouri voters?

    Who gave this man funding? Who actually voted for this guy without doing any research? Do voters not care he is a criminal? Do voters not know he is a extremist?

    Todd Akin does nothing but make Missourians look bad regardless of our views. So did we get exactly what we deserved for not doing our homework or were we misled by big money that has come into play by the citizens united ruling.

    In my opinion Todd Akin is the result of the system we have allowed and result of money in politics.

    -- Posted by cheesehead on Wed, Oct 24, 2012, at 12:36 PM
  • I disagree,Akin WILL NOT have my vote!!!they need to get him and all his friends off the ballots.They have no respect at all for women!And they wonder whywomen dont report rape!!

    -- Posted by daytimegirl on Wed, Oct 24, 2012, at 8:00 PM
  • Does anyone realize that Rapists have father's rights in 31 states in the U.S.? So if these extremists get their way and are delighted to sign bills that outlaw all abortion then most of the women will be forced to have these men in their lives in one way or another.

    -- Posted by cheesehead on Wed, Oct 24, 2012, at 9:17 PM
  • Don't worry about Akin. He's toast...and rightly should be. I've never seen such a wacko run for office in Missouri. McCaskill will trounce him.

    -- Posted by outsider on Thu, Oct 25, 2012, at 11:10 AM
  • Way to go FFA boys and girls. This is something we can all be proud of.

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, Oct 25, 2012, at 3:12 PM
  • I suppose 2 can play at that game...


    -- Posted by OMG! on Sat, Oct 27, 2012, at 8:10 AM
  • I am a registered voter in Saline County. I work in Marshall, but have to drive to Marshall Jct. to vote, which is several miles out of my way. It becomes very inconveinient. Who would a person address those concerns to? What if anything can be done?

    -- Posted by litlmissme on Sat, Oct 27, 2012, at 9:15 AM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    Questions and concerns about polling places should be addressed to County Clerk Debbie Russell at 660-886-3331, 660-886-9050 or derussell@mmuonline.net.
  • Some of you Marshall folks may be interested in the information contained in this link, about the newspaper The Marshall Republican, published by Percy H. VanDyke, approx. 1899-1914:


    -- Posted by Slater on Sun, Oct 28, 2012, at 1:01 AM
  • Here ya go - Romney debating himself:


    -- Posted by Slater on Sun, Oct 28, 2012, at 10:09 PM
  • you all see, read or hear the accusations against Claire McCaskill's Husband of sexual harassment?

    -- Posted by mrxray on Mon, Oct 29, 2012, at 12:25 AM
  • man... news keeps getting worse for Obama... first LOTS of major newspapers are endorsing Romney... ones that have not endorsed a Repub for decades...

    Women favor Romney over Obama, and lots of swing/battle states are swinging toward Obama...

    Now with the HORRIBLE debacle in Libya and the news that he just sat and watched those people die even when we had the resources and attack plane and other things to initiate a rescue... THREE times the CIA was denied permission to go rescue the Ex Seals... the Deaths of US citizens just keep piling upon the hands of Obama....

    -- Posted by mrxray on Mon, Oct 29, 2012, at 12:29 AM
  • Directing politically minded posters to the Speak Out Politics forum must be similar to herding cats. The political posters are here.

    For a non-political comment on the open forum: I feel that San Francisco's series performance makes the St. Louis Cardinals look pretty good in retrospect.

    -- Posted by former editor on Mon, Oct 29, 2012, at 5:39 AM
  • Dear friends on the East Coast.

    As you are praying to god to keep you safe from the storm, don't forget to thank a scientist for letting you know that it's coming.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Mon, Oct 29, 2012, at 9:16 AM
  • We could have a nuclear problem with the hurricane 26 nuclear plants are going to be hit by this storm and not including the spent nuclear fuel pool(s). I hope and pray all is safe on the East Coast.

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Mon, Oct 29, 2012, at 10:58 AM
  • http://m.washingtontimes.com/blog/robbins-report/2012/oct/28/general-losing-his-...

    The more the stories flow regarding this HORRIBLE Libya Debacle CAUSED by the Appeaser in Chief, the Blamer in Chief, the Negligent Homicide in Chief, the more I cannot understand how anyone can vote for him A vote for Obama is a Vote to kill our Troops and diplomatic personnel that are in harms way.....

    -- Posted by mrxray on Mon, Oct 29, 2012, at 11:47 AM
  • All I can think of is this... we have troops all over that are in harms way... do you think they feel more confident or less confident that if they are stranded and under attack that the command will give permission for their rescue?

    Hope it is not YOUR son, father, mother, daughter or other family or friends over there!

    -- Posted by mrxray on Mon, Oct 29, 2012, at 12:17 PM
  • To everyone in Marshall, first off well greetings from Afghanistan and I want to thank you all for all the support you are giving to me and all my comrades, we really appreciate it. You all are the reason we are over here, so you can go about your day and not to worry about the "bad guys" coming to our loved and cherished and great city of Marshall. I am very happy to say that I am from Marshall, and I can't wait to come back home, I still have another 3 years left in the army, it'll make 12 and a half years, I miss being able to step out my house and smelling the fresh cut grass and not worrying about whats going to happen that day. I want to give a shout out to my family,( Larry, Hillarie, Carrie, Stacie, and Alan) I cant wait to come home, I really miss you all it's been too long since I have been home. Its about time to come home and make my place in Marshall with my family, thank you all again, even if i don't know you thank you Marshall residents. If you want to contact me my email is wes_the_pimp2003@yahoo.com


    -- Posted by SoldierfromMarshall on Mon, Oct 29, 2012, at 2:06 PM
  • Chicken

    I would look at your polls again and see who is conducting them and how they are conducted. While Michigan and Massachusetts are both very-likely to go to Obama, the only Democrat to carry Utah since FDR was LBJ in 1964. If he is leading in Utah then it means either a major national blow-out in favor of Obama, or faulty polling.

    -- Posted by inthemiddle on Mon, Oct 29, 2012, at 2:38 PM
  • Hang in there SoldierFromMarshall. Hope you get home safely and that you get to step outside that door soon and smell the beautiful day!

    -- Posted by Interested Too on Mon, Oct 29, 2012, at 3:02 PM
  • What does everyone think about the prospect of a 7th grade teacher telling students that its gonna be mostly black people voting for Obama this election?

    -- Posted by cheesehead on Mon, Oct 29, 2012, at 5:57 PM
  • CPP:

    Firstly, I am voting for Romney. I am not a racist, nor am I ignorant. I work for what I have. I am not rich. The reason I choose to vote for Romney is that four more years of Obama (who I voted for four years ago) is not what I want. I don't want the largest sect of growth to be in government, and I don't want a larger deficit. I fell for the hype 4 years ago; not this time.

    I work with a great deal of Hispanics and in speaking with them I have heard very few say they were voting for Obama, in fact just the opposite.

    I also want to know what qualifications you have that enable you to determine who is ignorant. I believe that everyone is entitled to an opinion, and has the right to say what they feel, without childish name calling. I have read about both candidates and what they stand for, you have your opinion; I have mine, we disagree. Thank gosh we live in the United States where we can say these things out loud and THANK YOU to all who are serving our country or have served to allow us that privilege. See you at the polls.

    -- Posted by litlmissme on Mon, Oct 29, 2012, at 6:49 PM
  • litlmisssme,

    You obviously have your facts and presumptions dead wrong. First off no money gets spent without the authorization of congress. To your point about the defcit: President Obama and congress actually lowered the deficit from when he took office, so obviously you have to have a premise for that increasing.


    As far as Romney reducing the deficit this is far from the truth. The CBO projects that if Romney repeals Obamacare it will add 210 billion dollars to our deficit over the next 10 years. So Romney adds 210 billion to deficit there.


    Romney is proposing a 2 trillion dollar increase in defense spending in which the military hasnt ask for. So that 2,210,000,000,000 increase in defcit so far.


    Romney's tax cut will cost another 4.8 trillion towards out deficit, which cant be paid for there hasnt been 1 nonpartisian study that has stated it could. So you have another 4.8 trillion added to deficit. So in Romney's first year as President he will add 6,210,000,000,000 to our defict. If you add the fact that he has lots of Bush advisors working for him that means we will probably be in Afganistan longer and have a war with Iran and this would add several more trillion dollars for our deficit.


    None of this extra spending will be added to our defict is Obama is reelected.

    -- Posted by cheesehead on Mon, Oct 29, 2012, at 9:50 PM
  • bohdili,

    What was told was that most hispanic wont be voting for Obama its the black people that will be voting for him by a 7th grade teacher.

    This prompted my 12 yr old to ask me if its true that only black people are voting for Obama. So, to me this is wrong not only on ethical principles, but factual principle. Im personally ok with teaching kids about politics if its factual data without racial implications.

    The truth is that most hispanics and african americans vote for Democrats not just a African American or Biracial president.IE: Exit polls show 90% of African Americans voted for John Kerry a white Democrat in 2004 and about 94% of African Americans voted for Obama in 2008 and over 60% of hispanics voted for Obama in 2008 and the same was true with Al Gore in 2000.

    The current polls if they suggest anything about racial implications is that President Obama may be pace to recieve the lowest % of the white vote of any President in the 15-25 years and maybe longer, so the facts suggest the only change that may be occuring is that of white people voting habits not African Americans. Also polls suggest that African Americans will actually vote at a slightly lower rate than 2008 for Obama.





    -- Posted by cheesehead on Mon, Oct 29, 2012, at 11:29 PM
  • Chris Chritie praises President Obama on Fox news for his role in the wake of this disaster.


    -- Posted by cheesehead on Tue, Oct 30, 2012, at 2:29 PM
  • Cheesehead, I hope you followed up with the school officials about the question your child posed.

    In my estimation, the teacher should be censured if that's in fact what occurred.

    -- Posted by Slater on Tue, Oct 30, 2012, at 3:37 PM
  • Yes, I did use I, as I was only speaking for myself.

    -- Posted by litlmissme on Tue, Oct 30, 2012, at 6:23 PM
  • Not only did Obama do the right thing...he may have temporarily turned Gov. Christie. That may be akin (not Todd) to parting the Red Sea!

    -- Posted by Interested Too on Wed, Oct 31, 2012, at 8:35 PM
  • BohdiLi (did I get it right?),

    Once you free your mind of prejudice and take on a name the news people can spell, THEN you can become a candidate for whatever office you choose.

    -- Posted by Slater on Wed, Oct 31, 2012, at 9:08 PM
  • The Romney campaign has explicitly said that it will not let fact checking restrain it message. I reckon there is something ironically funny about a candidate for Prez being honest enough to tell us straight out that his folks are gonna lie to us.

    I had no idea how often Romney was gonna do that lyin'. Get this, he has told at least 533 lies in 30 weeks! That is just to us folks, and it don't count how many times he may have lied to his wife, tax auditors, Security and Exchange Commission investigators, or any one else with whom he may have had the opportunity to prevaricate.

    I'm not making this up, check it for yourselves. http://www.patheos.com/blogs/slacktivist/2012/08/29/mitt-romney-tells-533-lies-i...

    The truth is that no one knows what Willard Mitt Romney will do. He tells us lies frequently, and refuses to give us information that ALL other candidates, Republican, and Democrat have shared with their fellow citizens throughout recent history.

    So if you are the kind of cynical person that believes that they all lie all the time, not just Romney go ahead, and buy this pig in a poke. No one else should.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Oct 31, 2012, at 10:14 PM
  • BohdiLi

    Is officially on my troll list now; after his Obama comments.

    The President cannot really go back and actually restart the electricity and move the sand off of the streets. He can move the stodgy federal beauracracy along and speed relief to the areas.

    He has done what a President should do; but what most don't do... shown compassion, gotten to the affected area and put his feet on the ground. He stood there with a Governor who had been openly hostile to him and gave him all the federal help he could.

    If the low level management troll can't see that, then he has no real standing on this forum with me.

    -- Posted by Interested Too on Thu, Nov 1, 2012, at 5:52 AM
  • Interested Too if you think of BohdiLi as a troll just for the Obama comments, then you must think of yourself as one along with news, slater and okr because of the Romney comments you all have made!

    News you assume much about BohdiLi and you know what they say about that......LOL

    I am just guessing that BohdiLi's leadership just may have been in the military.

    -- Posted by Gal66 on Thu, Nov 1, 2012, at 7:40 AM
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