Speak Out April 1 to May 1, 2011

Friday, April 1, 2011

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  • Clean slate.

    -- Posted by Eric Crump on Fri, Apr 1, 2011, at 9:05 AM
  • newsacross, if Libya has not attacked us and is not a threat to our national security, then why are we bombing them and why do we have CIA in country? I, for one, am sick and tired of the US worrying about what other countries may think of us. Do you think Harry Truman worried about such things when he decided to drop two atomic bombs on Japan? No! What he was thinking about was saving the lives of American soldiers and sailors. War has become sanitized and it simply cannot be that way. To win a war you have to make the other guy die for his country. If Gadaffi wants a war, then I say we give it to him and allow him to die for his country. If not, then we run the risk of allowing our service people to give their lives. All of this could be solved with one Tomahawk missile! WAKE UP AMERICA!!!

    -- Posted by OldOwl on Fri, Apr 1, 2011, at 10:06 AM
  • "U.S. employment recorded a second straight month of solid gains in March and the jobless rate fell to a two-year low of 8.8 percent, underscoring a decisive shift in the labor market that should help to underpin the economic recovery."


    -- Posted by cheesehead on Fri, Apr 1, 2011, at 10:11 AM
  • Old Owl, How exactly do you figure that dropping bombs and killing people is a good way to spread peace?

    Violence Begets only more violence. the thought of Truman dropping bombs on a country who the war had nearly crippled already and killing millions for the sake of peace is ridiculous.

    my kids are fighting in the other room over the remote, do you suggest I sit them down and explain that they are blood relatives and need to find a way to co-exist because they will be together for the rest of their lives, or do you think it would be better for me to go in there and grab the one who I percieve to be in the wrong and Beat her to death?

    -- Posted by BigFatGuy on Fri, Apr 1, 2011, at 2:14 PM
  • BigFatGuy: You need to read a little more history. The bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki did not kill millions. The estimates were about 100,000 lives immediately, plus many thousands more as the days followed. That's a long way from millions.

    Now, when we're talking about humans lives, I fully realize that even just ONE senseless death is bad. But Truman could only deal with the facts at hand. Those facts were, in part, that the Japanese had already consistently refused to surrender, not just once but many times. An invasion would have taken the lives of not just more Japanese but many more American soldiers. The battle for Guam cost alone had 79,000 American lives. Rather than continue bloodshed on what he felt would be a much larger scale than the damage of the two bombs, Truman made his decision. We all have to live with it.

    -- Posted by Miss Marple on Fri, Apr 1, 2011, at 3:33 PM
  • Whoops, I see a made a mistake - American dead at the battles of Iwo Jima and Okinawa numbered about 75,000. Expected casualties from additional battles and a house-to-house invasion of Japan would have resulted in much higher numbers. It might have been the wrong decision in hindsight, but at the time, I think Truman what he thought was best. Either of us might have come to the same conclusion.

    -- Posted by Miss Marple on Fri, Apr 1, 2011, at 3:44 PM
  • Miss Marple, I'm not exactly sure why

    Truman's decision to drop the bomb was a "mistake," even in hindsight. The goal was to end the war as quickly as possible, and to limit the number of casualties. The dropping of the 2 bombs accomplished that. Are there consequences of any action? Yes. Both Hiroshima and Nagasaki are large metropolitain areas today. While the health issues continue today, niether was turned into a desert wasteland. The American people of Truman's timeperiod would have impeached and possibly lynched Truman if they found out that he had a weapon in his possession and not used it.

    Was it a mistake, I don't think so. It was the lesser of two evils and sometimes that is what people have to choose. Do you worry about the impact every decision you make will have on future generations?

    -- Posted by inthemiddle on Fri, Apr 1, 2011, at 4:29 PM
  • I don't know about this day in age but the biggest reason why the soviet union collapsed was bc reagan out spend them on defense they became broke insolvent most historians agree with this.

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Fri, Apr 1, 2011, at 4:57 PM
  • inthemiddle: I didn't say I thought Truman's decision was a mistake - I said it MIGHT, in hindsight, seem to be a mistake. It's hard to see, so many years later, what else he could have done.

    -- Posted by Miss Marple on Sat, Apr 2, 2011, at 5:54 AM
  • Watch 60 Minutes tonight to learn about sloppy big banks/mortgage originators' failure to properly record transfers. While the show focuses on foreclosure fraud, there is information for people who pay their mortgages. They may not get clear title for what they paid for if loans and deeds of trusts were not recorded with county recorder of deeds. Small and local banks do record in the counties where the property is located so if the small banks kept the loan, it's safer.

    -- Posted by former editor on Sun, Apr 3, 2011, at 9:22 AM
  • To whomever is in charge of the Saline County compost area. If you worked at it, do you think you could come up with even more inconvenient hours?

    7-4pm Monday, Wednesday and 7 to noon Sat.

    Please,this is unacceptable. Gid rid of the "atttendant" set up some motion sensitive web-cams and just let us use the **** thing!

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Sun, Apr 3, 2011, at 9:55 AM
  • More good news for the Bob James Jazz Festival. Will Matthews will join the Joe Athon Band set. Will is the widely respected guitarist for the Count Basie Orchestra. Clarence Smith, originally from Marshall and is a former Marshall band director, will play percussion with Joe, who is also from Marshall. The concert includes singer D.J. Sweeney, who lived in Marshall as a child, and renowned sax player Bobby Watson, who once was on a tour with Bob James, who is from Marshall. Subtle trend here, eh? Tickets are available now at the MDN office and bobjamesjazzfest.org.

    -- Posted by Eric Crump on Sun, Apr 3, 2011, at 10:09 AM
  • Eric,

    Just a little side note but on the jazzfest site I couldn't find the date of for all the happening. You may want to check in to it.


    -- Posted by What the f...... on Sun, Apr 3, 2011, at 10:27 AM
  • OK. It's Saturday, May 21, at Missouri Valley College. Clinic from 9 a.m. to 3 p.m. and concert from 4 p.m. to 9 p.m. in Eckilson-Mabee Auditorium.

    -- Posted by Eric Crump on Sun, Apr 3, 2011, at 10:32 AM
  • I am sure that by now we have all seen how our gas prices jumped 17 cents per gallon in the past week to week and a half. But as I was traveling about yesterday with my father-in law and son I noticed that once again the fine citizens of Marshall have been HAD AGAIN !!! Sweet Springs $3.32...Concordia..$3.32.Sedalia..$3.40 !!! What is this reason for our local stations to feel they need to price gouge? Can someone explain this???!!

    -- Posted by devildog92 on Sun, Apr 3, 2011, at 8:04 PM
  • Simple. Because they can.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Sun, Apr 3, 2011, at 8:59 PM
  • Devildog

    I was in Sedalia yesterday too. Their was only one gas station that was at 3.40 the rest were 3.45 or above. That station was Wal-mart who is well known for undercutting their competition in every category.

    -- Posted by Mommyto1 on Sun, Apr 3, 2011, at 10:16 PM
  • does any one if the two people that was in the car at the Hab Center that had the tree fall on it ok?

    -- Posted by mtshell08 on Sun, Apr 3, 2011, at 11:41 PM
  • Ms Maple, I need a History lesson? BUahahahaha

    you dont think that the fall out from not one but 2 above ground nuclear explosions that rained down on the entire world caused millions of deaths in countries that werent even involved? Cancer, radiation sickness?

    not to mention the precident set by us that its okay to use the most powerfull tool ever possesed by any known living being to kill.

    furthermore I try my best to think about what my decisions will mean to future generations. those of us who dont consider this eventuality are the same BONEHEADS who got us into our Present situation of No money and lots of unresolved problems. as a country we have borrowed so much from our childrens future that they are nearly Bankrupt at birth and have to fight for years to get out from under the weight of past irresponsibility.

    -- Posted by BigFatGuy on Mon, Apr 4, 2011, at 8:19 AM
  • Why Does Gas Cost So Much Right Now? Shameless Wall St. Betting on the Price of Oil

    While there are many causes that contribute to the rise in oil prices, many experts point to Wall Street: big banks trying to make money by betting on the price fluctuation of oil.


    -- Posted by miss october on Mon, Apr 4, 2011, at 12:56 PM
  • It's all on paper. Speculation. If they had to buy it and store oil in order to sell it this would not be the case. They do it because they can. The more middle east unrest the better, be it real or imagined. This is the same kind of book cooking they did with mortgage swaps and we get the bill.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Mon, Apr 4, 2011, at 1:01 PM
  • Is the Subway by sherman williams so frequently out of at least 2 items due to a supply chain issue or a lack of manager talent/competence. I hate walmart like a bad itch but I have to go there if I want to get tomatoes, peppers and cheeze on o my sub on the same day

    really I wanna know?

    -- Posted by BigFatGuy on Mon, Apr 4, 2011, at 2:33 PM
  • BFG it is legit. Not only Subway, but Wendys, and others here are out of tomatoes, and peppers. They have signs saying that a freeze had effected their producers. Looks like it may be nation wide, or at the least regional in scope. Have you thought about carrying a jar of jalapenos with you, and doubling up on the catsup? ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Apr 4, 2011, at 3:32 PM
  • Here is the funny thing, the one next to Wal-mart was out of tomatos, some kinds of cheese, and almost out of one type bread yesterday.

    Once last summer, I ran in the one by Wal-mart to grab a quick fountain drink, they were out of ice! I could see the ice machine in Wal-mart from where I was. I walked over, bought a bag of ice and got some pop,amazing!

    -- Posted by litlmissme on Mon, Apr 4, 2011, at 6:06 PM
  • I have had the same problem with the Subway on the Plaza, it seems if you go in there after 4 they hardly have anything to make the sandwich you want, then you go for one you don't really care for and they're even out of that. Funny thing is I have contacted the manager, and then when I realized that didn't do any good I contacted corporate that was months ago, apparently they don't know how to estimate how much bread they will use in one night because they don't even make enough to get through the day and see how much they would have left over. I've just stopped going there, too bad Quizno's had management issues!

    -- Posted by MyVoiceIsHeard on Mon, Apr 4, 2011, at 7:19 PM
  • Good boy Smart Dog! ROTFLMAO.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Apr 4, 2011, at 7:21 PM
  • Recently, when I went to McDonald's I saw on the menu that you could have an order of 6, 9 or 12 Chicken McNuggets.

    I asked for a half dozen nuggets. "We don't have half dozen nuggets," said the teenager at the counter.

    "You don't?" I replied. "We only have six, nine, or twelve," was the reply. "So I can't order a half-dozen nuggets, but I can order six?" "That's right."

    Dairy Queen's Chicken basket was better anyway.

    So I shook my head and ordered six McNuggets.

    -- Posted by EiEiO on Tue, Apr 5, 2011, at 12:01 AM
  • "Sexual Assault Awareness Month" and "the month of the small child" at the same time? and a disturbing Juxtiposition in the news column. This is the kind of stuff you see on Leno.

    -- Posted by BigFatGuy on Tue, Apr 5, 2011, at 8:09 AM
  • Here is a hot one! Back in june, last year, I went to a local clinic, known for long wait times. Sat there about an hour, growing more anxious by the minute until I just had to go before I had a full blown panic attack which was why I was there, anxiety attacks. So I told the nurse I can't wait any longer and left even tho I had already paid my co-pay. And lo and behold, right on schedule, they refund my money.....TEN months later. Right on time!!

    -- Posted by wheresthelove on Tue, Apr 5, 2011, at 10:03 AM
  • "Depletion of the ozone ... has reached an unprecedented level over the Arctic this spring because of the continuing presence of ozone-depleting substances in the atmosphere and a very cold winter in the stratosphere," the WMO said in a statement.


    -- Posted by cheesehead on Tue, Apr 5, 2011, at 12:29 PM
  • Regardless of anyone's opinion on global warming and ozone levels, we are experiencing a loss of ice at the north pole.

    Whether this is a cyclical phenomenon or something mankind is accelerating through pollution; there are 2 things that make sense to me.

    First, it wouldn't hurt to learn more about this and keep an open mind about what we should do in either case.

    Second, if it is truly a global problem, there isn't too much mankind can do about this. So, let's learn about it and plan for any possible negative outcomes, as best as we can.

    -- Posted by Interested Too on Tue, Apr 5, 2011, at 1:43 PM
  • EiEiO It could not have been at the Marshall McDonalds because they don't have a 12 piece nugget option. They have 4, 6, 10, 20, or 50.

    -- Posted by inthemiddle on Tue, Apr 5, 2011, at 6:27 PM
  • At what point does the number of nuggets equal a whole chicken?

    -- Posted by momaster on Tue, Apr 5, 2011, at 8:36 PM
  • About losing ice in the Arctic, there are more things to investigate scientifically. For one, there is a hot, active, explosive tectonic zone under the Arctic Ocean, and the bottom of the ocean itself it bowl-shaped. One question is whether the ocean is sometimes heated like a pot on the stove and if this affects ice thickness. More research is needed.

    -- Posted by former editor on Tue, Apr 5, 2011, at 9:47 PM
  • half of a dozen is 6 nuggets. maybe there was a computation error or maybe somebody mis read a coment.

    -- Posted by BigFatGuy on Wed, Apr 6, 2011, at 9:39 AM
  • I think everyone should go back and re-read the Mcdonld's joke . He asked for a half a dozen (6) nuggets . Dont you just love our educational system .

    -- Posted by ambsun on Wed, Apr 6, 2011, at 10:51 AM
  • ambsun,

    can you think of a reason to take funding AWAY from our schools when the stuff like this happens. a Highschool Diploma used to mean something like "I am competant" now it means "I had good attendace"

    -- Posted by BigFatGuy on Wed, Apr 6, 2011, at 12:11 PM
  • attendence,

    sorry about that.

    -- Posted by BigFatGuy on Wed, Apr 6, 2011, at 12:11 PM
  • I found 2 baseball gloves today in the street. If you lost them please call me and I.D. them. my cell is 660-229-3679

    -- Posted by mofireman on Wed, Apr 6, 2011, at 12:58 PM
  • The correct spelling is competent.

    Please don't blame the school for that mistake. Or others.

    -- Posted by mu-grad on Wed, Apr 6, 2011, at 4:03 PM
  • mu-grad:

    I love it when someone with an apparent education posts on here. It happens so seldom!

    -- Posted by katie76 on Wed, Apr 6, 2011, at 6:01 PM
  • BigFatGuy: And happy BUahahahaha to you, too. No, I do not believe millions have died as a result of two atomic bombs detonated in 1945. The reason I don't believe it is that I can't find any source that comes anywhere close to supporting your contention the number is anywhere near even one million, let alone "millions."

    We've already established the number of deaths at the time was under 200,000. That means you will have to find CREDIBLE sources to account for the other 1.8 million you claim have died. (Since you said millions, the minimum number that could mean is 2 million.)

    Have fun trying to locate those sources. I don't think you'll find them. And don't forget I said CREDIBLE sources.

    -- Posted by Miss Marple on Wed, Apr 6, 2011, at 7:31 PM
  • I go through the intersection at O'dell and College Streets twice a day. At least one of those times, some idiot is clearly running a red light. I now wait at least five seconds before crossing O'dell when my light is green. I generally oppose them, but for this situation, I wish there was a red light camera. Marshall would make A LOT of money from it!

    -- Posted by Pass it On on Wed, Apr 6, 2011, at 7:33 PM
  • Imagine Being 80 and Owing 40K in Health Costs. If the current budget proposal was to pass this will happen and it will also cause most nursing homes to close as only the rich would be able to pay these costs. Is this really acceptable?


    -- Posted by cheesehead on Wed, Apr 6, 2011, at 10:35 PM
  • Our energy needs in the future from an artificial leaf? May be so. http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2011-03/acs-dot031811.php

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Apr 7, 2011, at 12:08 AM
  • Nanadot

    Well altruism is not in his playbook for sure but maybe self righteousness is what we could call it, because making it harder for able body adult in this country is one thing, but Ryan's budget plan shows a lack of respect for the elderly.

    -- Posted by cheesehead on Thu, Apr 7, 2011, at 11:08 AM
  • So another election has taken place.

    Odd to think that it's been a year since the last vote on the school bond. We could have significant work on a new building by now (if not actually completed.)

    -- Posted by Citizens for the School Bond on Thu, Apr 7, 2011, at 11:40 AM
  • Citizens for the School Bond the people of Marshall have spoken and though I do agree with the people that have voted no they have said they do not want to invest in new schools period.

    I really think if someone donated enough money to build new schools in Marshall and all we had to do to get it was get the people to agree on the location for the k-6 and the 7-8 schools and the location had to pass with a 2/3 maj. then we would still not get it done.

    -- Posted by Gal66 on Thu, Apr 7, 2011, at 1:41 PM
  • New schools will continue to be an issue. The 1920 era buldings (Bueker, Eastwood, Benton, Southeast)will eventually need to be replaced.

    -- Posted by mu-grad on Thu, Apr 7, 2011, at 1:57 PM
  • If the federal government shuts down tomorrow night, I know our soldiers will not be getting paid. Question: will Congress still be drawing paychecks? If the answer is "yes" then perhaps we should bring our soldiers home and send our Congress overseas to take their place! Just a thought!!!

    -- Posted by OldOwl on Thu, Apr 7, 2011, at 3:16 PM
  • Ryan plan to slash Medicaid will cost the economy nearly two million private sector jobs according to the Economic Policy Institute.

    According to EPI "Currently, Medicaid provides comprehensive health coverage to the elderly, disabled, children, and low-income adults.[1] The cost of providing health care coverage is split between the federal government and the states. House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan (R.-Wisc.) released a budget resolution this week that would "block grant" Medicaid, meaning that it would give states a fixed amount of money rather than provide a fixed share of the total costs. Because these grants would grow more slowly than the expected inflation rate for health care costs, this proposal would have the federal government shift an increasing amount of the coverage costs onto states, who will be in turn forced to cut health benefits and other services, cut public investments such as education and transportation, or raise taxes.


    -- Posted by cheesehead on Thu, Apr 7, 2011, at 3:26 PM
  • The problem with healthcare, as I see it, is that we are asking the wrong questions. Instead of asking "how do we pay for it?" we should be asking "why does it cost so much?"

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Thu, Apr 7, 2011, at 5:23 PM
  • Can anyone tell me how to contact the people managing the latest Habitat for Humanity house? I want to be involved but can't locate any information about schedules, etc. I've been advised to "just show up" but I'm not comfortable with that and would like to talk to the coordinator(s).

    -- Posted by Amy Crump on Thu, Apr 7, 2011, at 6:42 PM
  • What the f...

    Thats the question everyone should be asking. Health care instituitions overcharge huge amounts. Just ask anyone that doesnt have Health insurance and has actually had to pay a bill out of pocket whether it be here in Marshall or any hospital around because it doesnt matter.

    -- Posted by cheesehead on Thu, Apr 7, 2011, at 7:49 PM
  • Old Owl,

    Yes, Congress will still be feeding from the trough. Unlike our military personnel and other government workers, their money doesn't come from regular appropriations.

    Senator Barbara Boxer (D)CA, initiated a bill, which was passed, to suspend Congressional salaries during a shutdown, but the House Republicans blocked it.

    Over the years, Congress has made certain they'll get theirs regardless, and the public will have nothing to say about it.

    -- Posted by Slater on Thu, Apr 7, 2011, at 9:01 PM
  • It looks like Democrats in Wisconsin may have began counting their cheese before it was made. I guess that we will be able to tell by the smell what happened.

    I wonder if Wisconsin is becoming Little Florida?


    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Apr 8, 2011, at 12:37 AM
  • Some things to consider about radiation from failed reactors, and other sources of radiation.http://www.truthout.org/waking-nuclear-nightmare

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Apr 8, 2011, at 1:13 AM
  • -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Apr 8, 2011, at 1:15 AM
  • Washington DC is obviously broken. My proposal would be that everyone who is there now be sent home packing and we start all over again. Seems to me that our new "representatives" could not possibly do any worse than what we have now. Also seems to me that we could probably add Jefferson City into that equation as well. WAKE UP AMERICA!

    -- Posted by OldOwl on Fri, Apr 8, 2011, at 9:16 AM
  • Old Owl: We could all study this Green/ Green Party USA , as News Across suggested! But it would be one hell of a change from what we have now,but to good to be true, but honestly i think it would take a Revolution to accomplish! But something has to be done, this is not working? We need more reaction from the People to back Obama on some of his agenda, from the beginning. With out it he feels he has no support form his own Party, he's out there alone! My opinion!

    -- Posted by Jo on Fri, Apr 8, 2011, at 10:13 AM
  • Jo, Obama campaigned on a promise of change in DC. That has NOT happened! I voted for him, but at this point in time would not vote for him again. Washington DC is nothing but "politics as usual" and day by day things only get worse. Don't even get me started on the fiascos in Libya, Iraq and Afghanistan. I don't place all of the blame on the Dems. The GOP shares the blame as well. Nothing will change until the people take charge of their own government. Until we do, we deserve what we get from our elected leaders. They get paid and our soldiers go without! How wrong can that be?

    -- Posted by OldOwl on Fri, Apr 8, 2011, at 11:06 AM
  • Fox News Misreports Poll Numbers To Claim That Most Americans Don't Want GOP To Compromise On Budget


    -- Posted by cheesehead on Fri, Apr 8, 2011, at 12:33 PM
  • Cheesehead

    Once again you are using liberal political blogs to try and make a network look bad. I suggest you go back and get all the facts. In that segment Fox showed results of three polls. The poll you showed which in fact was a Wall Street Journal Poll, as well as two Fox News polls one showing what the Tea Party would like to see the Republicans do which was an overwhelming stick to your guns no compromising, and one they did of registered independents, which wanted the Republicans to compromise. You have made accusations in the past about networks such as Fox editing stuff to fit their cause, just remember it is a two way street. Just because something fits your views doesn't mean its true.

    -- Posted by Mommyto1 on Fri, Apr 8, 2011, at 12:48 PM
  • Fox news is always trying to alter the facts that why independents like myself are turning our eyes and ears elsewhere so we aren't misled anymore. I wan't buying it at first, but now after paying closer attention we can notice they arent as fair and balanced as claimed. Thanks cheesey for pointing these things out its helped me when I need to find some facts on the issues that can affect our lives.

    -- Posted by Back in the day on Fri, Apr 8, 2011, at 2:22 PM
  • I liked this sentence from an earlier comment: "Nothing will change until the people take charge of their own government." We can't really take charge of our government because we are ruled by elements of a world government - the World Trade Organization for example. To comply with WTO late 1990's we eliminated financial regulations that had protected for generations since the 1930's. We got rid of 'em and went into mortgage bubble CDO's, Swaps, CDO squares, REMIC's and blew up the country. But we followed the WTO rules and the Fed even bailed out foreign banks. We got rid of "fair trade", have "free trade." Congress doesn't make some of the most important rules anymore. It's by WTO.

    -- Posted by former editor on Fri, Apr 8, 2011, at 9:50 PM
  • Mommyto1: Faux News needs no assistance in looking bad. As the least-reliable news agency on the planet, they are doing an excellent job all by themselves.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Sat, Apr 9, 2011, at 7:51 AM
  • So... to be clear... LOL

    MSNBC, NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, PBS, NPR are all unbiased news sources? I mean some have people like Jeff Immelt as CEO and he is in tight with Obama and gets special deals so he wont allow his news outlets to do hard reporting on Obama... the so called public news outlets are backed by admitted leftists and people like George Soros... LOL you people are too much...

    -- Posted by mrxray on Sat, Apr 9, 2011, at 9:33 AM
  • Mommyto1 I agree with your post but the rebuttal to it to discredit any source you cite that disagrees with a liberal is the liberal way. Facts don't matter in the whole scheme of things. If they can discredit their opponent then they win according to them. They even say that your source can look bad all by themselves but the bias on the left never looks bad. I think some of their post are quite funny just stick to your guns and enjoy the humor.

    To the liberals seems awfully political over here I think we have a speak out for that so see you there.

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sat, Apr 9, 2011, at 12:23 PM
  • mrxray: NOBODY...absolutely nobody...can claim to be entirely free of bias. In the case of Faux News, however, their biases are dazzlingly apparent to even a casual observer, and they are, generally, not merely conservative but far right-wing.

    I find your reference to NPR as biased especially amusing, since they are routinely subject to scathing criticism and citation for bias from BOTH sides of the political aisle and a couple of political "sides" few have ever heard of.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Sat, Apr 9, 2011, at 12:44 PM
  • A question for you Mr.Xray. Have you watched, and do you watch television news sources? If so is Fox the network that gets the majority of your attention? I would not at all be surprised to find that of the group mentioned, PBS gets more respect from you.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Apr 9, 2011, at 1:04 PM
  • Doesn't it bother anyone that Rupert Murdoch, the owner of Fox news admitted on camera the he slanted his "news" to be for the Iraq invasion? That's all it took for me.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Sat, Apr 9, 2011, at 3:46 PM
  • Do you think there could be a Conspiracy to take over this Country? Most of these People in the Middle & Far East control most all the Money! A new world Order! A NEW WORLD GOVERNMENT? I think it's not to far fetched! You feel there is no body in Control in Washington? Seems to me there's something bigger, and so complex that it would blow the Minds of everyone, that thinks, their in control! You know just about anything could be going on,when most of the politicians can control Peoples mind with lies half truths? It would get rid of Democracy as we know it! Now i'm sounding like Glen Beck,**** this Politics has me Paranoid! Never mind, ha

    -- Posted by Jo on Sat, Apr 9, 2011, at 10:41 PM
  • We already have world government - sort of - World Trade Organization required getting rid of our banking regulations put in place to prevent the same kind of financial crash we had 1929. Got rid of regulations late 1990's, crashed within 10 years. Who benefits from WTO financial rules? Paranoid is appropriate reaction.

    -- Posted by former editor on Sat, Apr 9, 2011, at 11:48 PM
  • Kathy Fairchild -- Readers miss you. Wish you were still blogging. Out of respect for your diligence in reporting, I'm going to extend the topic of bias. Bias often includes choosing which story to cover, which to ignore especially if it's something difficult or complex. Obviously we have major media that are right, left and sort of left. To be informed, one must look at some of everything. And like another poster here, I sometimes go to Al Jereeza English along with other non-U.S. sources for perspective since, for example, Basel I and II have local impact. Fox News can be right sometimes, and Red Cross donations for Japan jogged my memory. After 9/11 the Red Cross ran dramatic ads asking for donations. People donated generously thinking money would go to 9/11 victims. No. The Red Cross was using 9/11 to obtain funds for future problems, say, the next hurricane or whatever. Bill O'Reilly put out the facts, Red Cross rearranged, and then donors could designate their money to 9/11 victims. O'Reilly was, of course, wrong on Shirley Sherrod, had to back track and apologize while ironically Beck was about the first to defend her. An example of major media ducking out on something that takes too much homework is fraud and forgery in land title and mortgage documents. CBS 60 Minutes finally covered some of it last Sunday. What's more on their web site they gave information about how people paying their mortgages may not get clear title and what to do about checking. This is a truly difficult, complex topic, so credit to CBS. Yet, when Doug Ommen representing the Missouri AG gave a talk about the fraud and forgery in St. Loui two weeks before, there was virtually no coverage. Don't know why. So I conclude bias is conveyed by choices on what to cover, not just political leaning. Sometimes I see the tendency to "attribute" to a source as an excuse not to do one's own reporter homework and actually learn something about a newsy subject

    -- Posted by former editor on Sun, Apr 10, 2011, at 9:00 AM
  • Nice piece formereditor.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Apr 10, 2011, at 10:21 AM
  • first, before any spelling or language teachers correct me... I am typing without my left index finger, it is in a splint... lol SO leave me alone. LOL

    Kathy... I find it amusing that you bash fox, the ONE media outlet that leans to the right when every other news outlet on TV leans left, is funded by left leaning people like Soros even when they get public, tax payer, funds. Like Formereditor stated, bias is demonstrated by what is NOT reported equally or more so than how they slant the news to support their bias.

    How is what Fox news does any different than Soros providing millions, if not billions since he had tons of entities to channel money through, to PUBLIC radio for the SPECIFIC purpose of hiring more outlying reporters to report the news. AND since you know where your bread is buttered, in this case from the far leftist, anti-America, NON-American George Soros is providing the extra money for the new personnel's salaries, exactly how can they claim any semblance of being unbiased? The ONLY difference is that Soros' money is going to a PUBLIC radio that was supposed to be UNBIASED which obtains funds from TAX PAYERS who have their hard earned money CONFISCATED by the government while Fox News uses PRIVATE funds to fund their bias.

    THEN you are not even acknowledging the GE/NBC connection with direct and frequent, if not constant commincations between those who run GE and the White House where GE is getting special deals and the Democrat cronyism is running rampant... if I am not mistake that was a complaint with Bush... cronyism.

    So.. One major news outlet in Fox versus a whole realm of national media outlets on TV that lean left... so again exactly what is wrong with a news outlet that leans right? amusing aint it

    -- Posted by mrxray on Sun, Apr 10, 2011, at 10:31 AM
  • Probably not this year.

    Mr. James said he is honored to have the festival named after him, and he has been very supportive of the effort. However, Fourplay, the jazz supergroup he founded, released a new recording Oct. 26, 2010, ("Let's Touch the Sky") and the group has been touring heavily since. He said he was obligated to Fourplay's schedule and other projects. But next year we hope he'll be able to join us for the second annual Bob James Jazz Festival!

    -- Posted by Eric Crump on Sun, Apr 10, 2011, at 1:11 PM
  • Former Editor,

    I like your clear-eyed way of bringing into focus the obliqueness that surrounds us.

    Thanks for your posts. :)

    -- Posted by Slater on Sun, Apr 10, 2011, at 1:12 PM
  • former editor: Thank you - it's nice to be missed. Since my (sort of) retirement from the newspaper, other pursuits have kept me a little busier than I expected, giving me less time to participate here or to work on a longer post. Your post, however, brings several issues to mind about bias, and when I am closer to home in a few days, I'll have more to say.

    For now, I think of something I've seen more than once: "Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not after you." As a reporter I can say, "Just because I'm not writing about you doesn't mean I'm not on to you." You're completely in tune with the problem - it isn't necessarily bias that keeps this paper or any other from tackling certain issues...it's the availability of reporters, the timeliness of the subject, the ability to do the best job possible in the time available...and more.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Sun, Apr 10, 2011, at 2:45 PM
  • Old Chair: many thanks for your, uh, concern, but when I want your advice, I will let you know.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Sun, Apr 10, 2011, at 3:35 PM
  • Back in the day.. .in regards to your comment about Fox news trying to alter the reasonings of independents... that is exactly what the left, the Dems and main stream media does to the Tea Party...according to them every single, or MOST of the Tea partiers are racists and uneducated red necks who are members of militias... lol

    -- Posted by mrxray on Sun, Apr 10, 2011, at 3:52 PM
  • News... good to see that you are buying into the leftist propaganda networks... lol But then the entire movement against Gov. Walker of Wisconsin is made up of Communists and Union Thugs intent on bashing the heads in on anyone who stands up against them righgt? LOL

    -- Posted by mrxray on Sun, Apr 10, 2011, at 6:53 PM
  • max: If that's what it takes, that's what we should do! Some people will only listen too force! They just go and make a law against something the people want? Should we just stand back and say ok Get real,or get out of the box you've been living in! Every thing you post is against the people's rights! Hey if you don't know it your people,i think? just a thought! How about the 10,000 votes they just happened too find? even you should see, that's a lot of Garbage! The **** crooks! If their going to be a crook, be a good one,don't insult the peoples with their lies!

    -- Posted by Jo on Sun, Apr 10, 2011, at 8:30 PM
  • x you said "But then the entire movement against Gov. Walker of Wisconsin is made up of Communists and Union Thugs intent on bashing the heads in on anyone who stands up against them righgt? LOL"

    If that is what it takes to defeat Walker's bunch of greedy fascist pigs, and Koch lap dogs that are out to destroy the remnants of the middle class so be it. However in portraying the people of Wisconsin as communists, and union thugs you have reached new heights of hyperbole, or should I say a new low. Good Grief.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Apr 10, 2011, at 8:49 PM
  • OKR... LOL You are funny, maybe you better read what I stated again... I never said I thought all people in Wis are communists and union thugs. In fact what I did state was in response to an ongoing discussion. IF you actually read my post I stated that by using the logic of the left where they declare the tea party made up of mostly racist redneck militia members then if we apply that same logic or thought process in reverse, then all people protesting Gov Walker must be communists and union thugs willing to beat people into submission... not a statment of anything close to what I might think, only an exercise in typical leftist distortion of reality when they allow their Hatred of the right to distort their brain function... lol

    -- Posted by mrxray on Sun, Apr 10, 2011, at 10:40 PM
  • Point taken X. I missed the context. Your round this time.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Apr 10, 2011, at 11:43 PM
  • So that you do not miss my context, your round because I missed your context, not because your argument was persuasive. LOL

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Apr 10, 2011, at 11:45 PM
  • Is anyone paying any attention to this Bob James thing coming up? Will it be worth going too?

    -- Posted by red dog on Mon, Apr 11, 2011, at 7:07 AM
  • Wisconsin Titanic: Criminal Probe Heading Scott Walker's Way

    Not only is this guy corrupt he may also turn out to be a criminal.


    -- Posted by cheesehead on Mon, Apr 11, 2011, at 12:59 PM
  • Red Dog - From BiG Dog

    Bob James Jazz Festival is more than "...worth attending...." Tickets are going fast ---better get yours now!!!

    Where can you get 4-5 acts for $25?

    -- Posted by CWilli on Mon, Apr 11, 2011, at 3:39 PM
  • OldChair,

    When you think about it, the event was put together on too short a notice for James to attend. If he fails to show next year, then your question will be valid.

    How are your mortise and tenon joints holding up? :)

    -- Posted by Slater on Mon, Apr 11, 2011, at 7:40 PM
  • Shakespeare and Mozart fans everywhere are stunned. tHey were unaware that festivals held annually in honor of their idols required the presence of the honoree to be regarded as anything more than a boondoggle. Imagine their surprise.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Mon, Apr 11, 2011, at 8:14 PM
  • Rock on old chair.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Apr 11, 2011, at 8:32 PM
  • Just to clarify: Bob James has not said he *wouldn't* attend. He said he couldn't promise it and didn't want to make a commitment he couldn't keep. We've been careful to make no promises, either, because we don't want anyone to get the wrong impression and be disappointed. He has been interested in the project and quite helpful throughout the process, in spite of his busy touring schedule.

    -- Posted by Eric Crump on Mon, Apr 11, 2011, at 8:51 PM
  • Have you all read Pat Nolan's article about Silencing the Press-A Local Attack? You should, but most especially you should read the article at the web site he posted at the bottom.

    This article from the Moberly Mirror (the defunct weekly newspaper) gives credence to P.T. Barnum's allegation that there is a sucker born every minute.

    Moberly gives a perfect example of government for the people, not by the people. Just read the article and see if you arrive at the same conclusion I have. If the Mirror article is actually an unbiased account of the happenings with the "plant" Marshall missed out on, Roy Hunter is to be applauded.

    Does "con-game" come to mind?

    -- Posted by red dog on Mon, Apr 11, 2011, at 9:44 PM
  • I have decided I am definitely going to the Bob James tribute. If you are not a Jazz fan, you have no idea how "big" Bob James is professionally and how humble he is in person. His roots are in Marshall and he has never forgotten that. I look for him to be here if at all possible, even if his jazz group won't be. He is the benchmark of his profession and I am proud he is from Marshall.

    -- Posted by red dog on Mon, Apr 11, 2011, at 9:54 PM
  • OldChair,

    It isn't a show or a concert as you are envisioning. It is a festival named in his honor. Much like the Steve McQueen Days in Slater are named in his honor (yes I realize he is dead, but that does not negate the fact that it is a celebration of what he did well in his life)!

    -- Posted by Owl12345 on Mon, Apr 11, 2011, at 10:00 PM
  • "Japan Ups Nuke Crisis Severity to Match Chernobyl" http://www.aolnews.com/2011/04/11/fire-put-out-at-japans-damaged-nuke-plant-cris...

    Can we ever be assured that fallible mankind can successfully design a harness for the deadly power of nuclear energy? At the least, doubt must exist in our minds if the meticulous Japanese have failed to do so.

    I predict that this is only the most recent of many nuclear disasters yet to come, as aging reactors are re-licensed around the world, when their projected viable value has ended. I wish I didn't believe that, for it is the stuff of nightmares.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Apr 11, 2011, at 10:48 PM
  • Kathy,

    You have been missed.

    Henry Kissinger said "Even a paranoid has enemies."

    -- Posted by upsedaisy on Mon, Apr 11, 2011, at 11:14 PM
  • Slater,

    Tonight, our PBS station carried the program on the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory Fire. I see why you thought it was a "must see" especially w/the union bashing abroad in the USA. How sad to see big businesses and other organizations trying to do away w/hard won protection for workers.

    Thanks for sharing your recommendations on worthwhile programs and of course, music.

    -- Posted by upsedaisy on Mon, Apr 11, 2011, at 11:21 PM
  • Robert and Boris, Mustapha, and Chan,

    said I'll do it, I know that I can.

    Each built for the monsters reliable cages,

    Each assured all they'd be there for ages.

    The people agreed, and with a loud shout,

    cried that the monsters would never get out.

    Inspectors regularly checked every one,

    and said it's O. K. each time it was done.

    Then things happened that none did foresee,

    the monsters ate you, and are gonna eat me.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Apr 11, 2011, at 11:48 PM
  • See Pat Nolan's "Rough time to be pro nuke" for more discussion on this crucial issue.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Apr 12, 2011, at 1:10 AM
  • come on big fat guy.

    -- Posted by values on Tue, Apr 12, 2011, at 5:01 AM
  • Sending jobs to China hurts the U.S. is the conclusion of a recently released research paper by MIT economists. For people at grass roots level, this isn't news. It's common sense and experience. But it's not considered real or important until ivory tower types do the number crunching. Some important people high up in the political and financial classes won't like this research. The MIT researchers found that losing jobs grows government. When large numbers of "ordinary" folk lose income, they need more government help -- thus government grows. I'd say if the research is right, it points to two big reasons for the growing U.S. deficit.


    -- Posted by former editor on Tue, Apr 12, 2011, at 6:41 AM
  • Oklahoma

    Old Chair may claim to not read the posts such as Pat Nolan's Newest nuclear blog, but three minutes before that statement he posted a comment on it. Sounds like a lot of smoke to me.

    -- Posted by Mommyto1 on Tue, Apr 12, 2011, at 11:39 AM
  • With the recent attacks on our teachers and education system just how long will it take before we destroy it completely?


    -- Posted by cheesehead on Tue, Apr 12, 2011, at 12:07 PM
  • Upsedaisy,

    I'm happy to serve as a part-time online tv guide. :) Of course I have no way of knowing how much our local broadcast schedule differs from other parts of the country, but perhaps my random alerts help others to be aware.

    Tonight on the PBS series, Independent Lens, the following will be seen here:

    "In his short career, Jean-Michel Basquiat was a wunderkind and a phenomenon. Discovered through his graffiti art in the late 1970s on the Lower East Side, he sold his first painting to Deborah Harry for $200 and later became best friends with Andy Warhol. Director Tamra Davis pays homage to her friend in this documentary."

    I remember seeing a documentary (maybe 20 or so years ago) about the subway car taggers in New York City, and this guy was probably one of them. I'm no art critic by any stretch, but I was greatly impressed with some of their handiwork. I believe the city offered several buildings in exchange for leaving the subway cars alone.

    -- Posted by Slater on Tue, Apr 12, 2011, at 12:19 PM
  • I do not watch pbs or as i like to call it Propaganda Broadcasting Service....Ask me why because it is Goverment funded....And I am proud to say I watch fox news and btw they have more liberal commentators than cnn..

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Tue, Apr 12, 2011, at 12:45 PM
  • "I will not read any post from a guy who supports Julian Assange. The harm he has caused is undeniable. However, Mr. Assange does have beautiful teeth. I admire that.

    -- Posted by OldChair on Tue, Apr 12, 2011, at 6:25 AM "

    OldChair then would you not read the works of others whom you may abhor? Is your choice not a self limiting boycott? A nugget of knowlege may be found anywhere.

    I was deleted for some reason Mommyto1 so I have edited my comment, and reposted. It appears that OldChair's comment that you also referenced may have been deleted. I did not want it to appear that you were responding to imaginary posts. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Apr 12, 2011, at 12:49 PM
  • My bad, OldChair's comment was on Pat's blog. NOW I get your point Mommyto1. LOL

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Apr 12, 2011, at 12:54 PM
  • ok old chair what ever floats your boat.

    -- Posted by Mommyto1 on Tue, Apr 12, 2011, at 3:51 PM
  • oldchair,

    At least someone else has noticed a lot of his blogs are anti-obama usually with half truths also. We can hope and wait to see an anti Fox news blog soon. That would make for a good blog!

    -- Posted by cheesehead on Tue, Apr 12, 2011, at 4:08 PM
  • OldChair -

    It is a rare occasion when I agree with Pat's opinion on his blog, but I have to say, when you choose to ignore opinions other than your own, rather than read about them, and take the opportunity for rebuttal, you do a disservice to both you AND Pat. You may have some insight or factual information that could change his mind.

    -- Posted by koeller77 on Tue, Apr 12, 2011, at 4:09 PM
  • Jason,

    You watch your propaganda, and I'll watch mine, and we'll both be happy.

    -- Posted by Slater on Tue, Apr 12, 2011, at 4:18 PM
  • Old Chair

    Websters dictionary defines blog as an opinion, or journal where opinions are reflected. So Pats blog is his opinion, the great thing about the first amendment is everyone has the right to voice their opinions. If you haven't noticed the MDN website has the blogs, which are opinion, and the speakout which is opinions ( no matter what you want to call them they are opinions)and they just so happen to be placed right next to the blogs. If anything your opinion is easier to find then his.

    Your comments sound like you have a personal problem with him. So since we have established that you may speak your mind since that is your first amendment right, tell us the real reason.

    -- Posted by Mommyto1 on Tue, Apr 12, 2011, at 4:34 PM
  • OldChair has been banned for making a string of comments in succession that consisted entirely of personal insults.

    -- Posted by Eric Crump on Tue, Apr 12, 2011, at 5:46 PM
  • cheesehead,

    Regarding your wish for an anti Fox News blog: I was under the impression that you had started one here, weeks ago.

    -- Posted by Bcat on Tue, Apr 12, 2011, at 7:13 PM
  • "In the wake of Glenn Beck announcing he will end his Fox News show, Media Matters demonstrates how throughout Beck's tenure at Fox News the false, incendiary, and even violent rhetoric he pushed on his television and radio shows spread throughout the network. Where Beck leads Fox follows ... but who will they follow now"


    -- Posted by cheesehead on Tue, Apr 12, 2011, at 8:00 PM
  • I have to say that politics can either bring people together or make them hate each other....In other words when politics start to divide people make them feel like that they have to degrade people than its not really politics...Politics should be ideas that are shared by difrent views...doesn't mean we have to hate on individual even tho we disagree I have a lot of liberal friends and proud to call them friends and we can have a heated discussion without loosing respect for each other.

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Tue, Apr 12, 2011, at 8:22 PM
  • I rest my case.

    -- Posted by Bcat on Tue, Apr 12, 2011, at 8:24 PM
  • cheesehead,

    I think they are probably gonna use Donald Trump in that role or maybe Palin, but one thing that is for sure is that they will find someone along the same line of thinking that Beck is on. They have to have some far out there personalities to make the others seem more moderate. Im pretty sure the choice to remove Beck isn't an attempt to give balanced coverage it probably has to do more with money than anything.

    -- Posted by miss october on Tue, Apr 12, 2011, at 8:49 PM
  • Marshall Krause your video of your experiences in the military back in the 50's was amazing!!!

    Interesting to learn that the locks in the great lakes were so closely watched back then... and geez, your account of tactics for unknown aircraft is so similar to what seems to be done today.

    -- Posted by Mel on Tue, Apr 12, 2011, at 9:22 PM
  • Today on Pg. 10, the Democrat News reported a felony warrant issuance with $4,000 bond attached, to an inmate at the Marshall City Jail for the offense of having scratched his name on a cell door (See "Marshall man accused of causing damage to city property"). The warrant reportedly seeks a penalty of "up to four years incarceration in the Department of Corrections, up to one year in the county jail and/or up to a $5,000 fine if convicted". I do not wish to debate the classification of the alleged behavior as "city property damage", however I do wish to register my dismay at the extremely exaggerated response being given it in the name of justice. By definition, justice ought to affect a balanced correction to a wrong. Extremism in the name of justice is not just, either for the offender punished or for the society that is said to be served. What would the cost be to the taxpayers to pay for those "four years in the Department of Corrections" or "one year in the county jail"? Surely there is a more measured and practicable correction for such violations as this. Lets get real!

    -- Posted by whatwasthat on Tue, Apr 12, 2011, at 10:25 PM
  • SC - I'm pretty sure a record was also set from time of appearance to time of banning!

    -- Posted by koeller77 on Tue, Apr 12, 2011, at 10:52 PM
  • koeller,

    You probably know by now but their seems to be an upcoming recall election in Wisconsin.Wisconsin recall: Republican Randy Hopper to face 2008 rematch.


    -- Posted by cheesehead on Tue, Apr 12, 2011, at 11:28 PM
  • Cause for concern about Japanese originated radiation in our milk, and water? Read at this link before you decide. http://www.truth-out.org/radiation-detected-milk-air-and-water-america-safe

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Apr 12, 2011, at 11:53 PM
  • whatwasthat: The story you cited listed the possible penalty for the offense, which is not necessarily what the sentence will be. Depending on whether the person charged has a previous criminal record (which he likely does, if he scratched his name on a cell door), the outcome could be as little as probation.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Wed, Apr 13, 2011, at 6:33 AM
  • You know sometimes I look at things in such a way that all I see is the bad or wrong things in this world but once in a while I see or hear about something that gives me hope.

    Today at work one of my co-workers was telling me about his long night with his neighbor, my co-worker lives out in the country he has a small farm and talks all the time about his neighbors, one he talks about a lot is a 90 plus year old man that just don't want to give up his country life but it is getting harder all the time for him to care for himself.

    Well yesterday he noticed his neighbors garage door open later than it should have been so he went up to check on him and found him laying down in his driveway with his head down hill and he was in some of pain.

    So he checked him out and helped him set up he set there for a while and then asked him to help him into a chair on the porch, my co-worker asked where he hurt and he said his hip my co-worker told him you and I know what we need to do but when your ready you tell me and I will make the call.

    The old guy just set there and they talked about all sorts of stuff and then he asked my co-worker about how much more daylight you think is left and he told him about an hour and a half.

    So about and hour later the old guy said ok go ahead and make the call.

    Well he did in fact break his hip and will be down for some time.

    To my co-worker I could only hope to have a neighbor like you, you are a special person.

    People take the time to get to know your neighbors and if you notice something about your neighbor's house that just don't look right go check on them.

    -- Posted by Gal66 on Wed, Apr 13, 2011, at 7:35 AM
  • Here is an example of leftist extreme groups Peta. Here is a example of extreme leftist view point Partial term abortion studies have been shown after 25 weeks in the womb feels pain and there have been times during a partial term abortion that after a fetus is taken out they are still alive yet a lot of leftist are for this...Who are we to play God and say who lives or dies..

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Wed, Apr 13, 2011, at 11:01 AM
  • It seems to me that peoples' political agendas and party slams are making their way back into the main blog. Isn't there a blog page for religion, and another for politics still?

    I'd appreciate leaving this area for local news and stories of interest to all, rather than the obvious baiting that is beginning to appear here again.

    -- Posted by Interested Too on Wed, Apr 13, 2011, at 11:38 AM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    Good point!
  • Great story Galaxie66, thanks for sharing it. This seems to be a good forum for such as that.

    Gettin way back from politics seems appropriate for this forum. With that in mind I would like to continue the warm fuzzy trend with a little poem I wrote this morning for my great neice in note of her recent first birthday.

    None of us know what a sweet baby dreams.

    Chocolate filled rivers, and soda pop streams?

    Warm puppies as blankets, for a pillow a kitten?

    Sweet words to describe just can not be written.

    Bushes with branches of peppermint canes?

    A sky pouring Kool Aid whenever it rains?

    A moon tha's a cookie to reach up, and eat?

    Such things may be when tired, and so sweet.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Apr 13, 2011, at 12:11 PM
  • Sorryfor the missing T in the next to last line. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Apr 13, 2011, at 12:25 PM
  • Jason1969 this may well shock some of the long time posters here!

    But who are you or we to tell a woman what she can and can not do with her own body.

    -- Posted by Gal66 on Wed, Apr 13, 2011, at 12:29 PM
  • Gal66 I don't think it is a matter of telling a woman what to do with her body. Should she have let a moment of indiscretion that left her with two heads, four arms and four legs, give her the right to kill it. There also had to be a man involved so the real problem is that men don't want the responsibility so the decision is left to the woman. If men were taught to be responsible for their actions this wouldn't be a matter of a woman's decision the man would step up and do what is right. The woman should have to identify who the man is and the man should be made to take full responsibility. Then men wouldn't be so willing to have that moment of indiscretion. We live in world where nobody want responsibility for their actions but no matter how hard we try there are always consequences when we make poor decisions. Abortion is just another poor decision to take care of a poor decision already made but carries lifetime consequences.

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Apr 13, 2011, at 12:47 PM
  • I am sorry for what I said in this blog bc its not the right blog but I do believe that you have a selective blog when it comes to free speech and its your right to Mr. Crump. But it is kind of obvious that the editors may have leftist leanings and that is their right but come on be fair and balanced.

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Wed, Apr 13, 2011, at 12:52 PM
  • rr3yv0 I respect your opinion, I just don't think the goverment or anyone else should try to control me, you or anyone else.

    As far as the men not doing what is right I would bet that a large number of men do not even know thay have a child.

    Unless it is rape the girls are in complete control period!

    Should people not be having unprotected sex? YES but that is not now or ever going to happen!

    -- Posted by Gal66 on Wed, Apr 13, 2011, at 1:44 PM
  • Good stuff guys, but hey, take it to the politics blog. We can read you guys there.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Apr 13, 2011, at 1:50 PM
  • The problem with today's society we are always looking for a easy way out and we don't care who we hurt....Now abortion comes from bad moral decisions so I expect people that have had abortions vast majority not all of them to have bad morals when the fetus starts feeling pain at 25 weeks does that still become a women's choice...It has been proven google it do your own research a woman's choice began when she said yes a man's choice began at the time. And as far as your example smart dog is not comparable bc the sick and elderly and the people that are on their death bed could make their choice thru medical directives or expressing their wish How does a baby or fetus gets the say so..

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Wed, Apr 13, 2011, at 10:56 PM
  • Jason1969,

    Let me get this straight. You complain about the "leftist tendencies" of the newspaper and want what you view as fair treatment (which I guess means that you get to say whatever you want) but your sweeping indictment of anyone who might have an abortion as "bad moral decisions" could definitely be interpreted as unfair evaluation.

    Seems to me that you want to have your cake and eat it too.

    -- Posted by Amy Crump on Thu, Apr 14, 2011, at 7:57 AM
  • Amy you and I don't see eye to eye on a lot of things but when your right your right.

    Well Said!!!!!!

    -- Posted by Gal66 on Thu, Apr 14, 2011, at 10:54 AM
  • Thanks, Gal66!

    -- Posted by Amy Crump on Thu, Apr 14, 2011, at 11:44 AM
  • What I think is hilarious is that those on the left tend to complain about Eric being too far right just as much as those on the right complain about his left leaning tendencies. Makes me think he must be doing something right. Good job Eric!

    -- Posted by Philemon on Thu, Apr 14, 2011, at 11:55 AM
  • I once heard someone say that the biggest problem with abortions was that they usually came one generation too late.

    -- Posted by outsider on Thu, Apr 14, 2011, at 2:21 PM
  • Oh, this is one of those days when I wish we had a facebook-style "like" button for comments!

    -- Posted by koeller77 on Thu, Apr 14, 2011, at 2:43 PM
  • Here's an article pointing out how the culture of greed remains constant, even after major disasters, natural as well as man-made:


    -- Posted by Slater on Thu, Apr 14, 2011, at 3:45 PM
  • For reasons not clear to me, I somehow believe that J.S. Bach would approve of this endeavor:


    -- Posted by Slater on Thu, Apr 14, 2011, at 11:06 PM
  • Funny, Slater.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Apr 14, 2011, at 11:45 PM
  • Ok on the record I am against abortion except in case of health of mother or baby, and sexual crime including rape, molestation etc. I respect what you believe Amy...Just don't understand why you don't respond to the points I made in my previous points.

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Fri, Apr 15, 2011, at 12:29 AM
  • Jason1969:

    While I have been blessed enough never to have face the heart-breaking decision to end a pregnancy and while my personal beliefs would keep me from doing that -- my beliefs and choices are not something that I feel I have the right to FORCE onto anyone else.

    It's not a hard concept: step back from the philosophy that we are allowed to judge people on their lifestyles. That duty belongs to God.

    -- Posted by Amy Crump on Fri, Apr 15, 2011, at 7:33 AM
  • I guess looking back I am not against abortion just against goverment paid abortion...And I am against the federal goverment telling the states what they must allow as far as what I would call a moral law..I think abortion could be legal but make it go to a state right issue who better to govern themselves than local goverment..I would never force my beliefs on someone the law of the land is abortion is the law of the land... And a woman should be allowed to have that but she or the person who got her pregnant should pay for it. And we should make planned parenthood who spent little money on women's health issues like mammograms and other things that are mandated in order to keep funding them by the goverment..Abide by the rules but if your going to do the deed you should pay consequences and yes there was poor decisions made if you find it necessary to have an abortion. Planned parent spent less that 2 percent of their budget on preventive pregnacy programs they just gave the women an abortion and send her on the way...Also there should be counseling made available and let them know the risks and the emotional side effects I has seen to many women who were not the same bc of the what if factor.

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Fri, Apr 15, 2011, at 8:09 AM
  • News,

    This Scott Walker is a total joke and his hearing proved his union busting deal wouldn't help the budget of Wisconsin at all. Not only will it not save money this guy is hiring relatives of some of his biggest donors who happen to be very unqualified to positions over those who have college degrees and such.

    Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker (R) has given an $81,500/year government job to Brian Deschane, a 28-year-old with no college degree, little management experience and two DUI convictions. Deschane, the son of a homebuilders lobbyist who supported Walker's gubernatorial campaign, will oversee environmental and regulatory matters and dozens of employees at the Department of Commerce.


    -- Posted by cheesehead on Fri, Apr 15, 2011, at 8:40 AM
  • One quick question. Do you think there could be a way to do voter registration drive and maybe more local activist groups out there getting the disabled to the voting booths? The reason I brought this up I notice in the recent election only 1500 votes total for the both the Mayor-elect and his opponent. To me this is not a political question but a civic question.

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Fri, Apr 15, 2011, at 8:56 AM
  • Jason I hate to say this but a lot of people just don't care enough to vote!

    -- Posted by Gal66 on Fri, Apr 15, 2011, at 11:43 AM
  • Jason,

    I see your points. But historically, the federal government has told the states what they must allow -- such as ending slavery and enforcing desegregation.

    I agree with you that a proactive approach (such as education) is better than a reactive approach (such as abortion.)

    As for the consequences -- bringing a child into the world doesn't just affect the mother. What about an unwanted child? Do you think it's right to make them "pay the consequences?"

    And what about the father of said child? Where are his consequences? According to your approach, only one of the two required in this act are being held responsible. I would argue that could fall under "bad moral decision" too.

    -- Posted by Amy Crump on Fri, Apr 15, 2011, at 12:18 PM
  • @Cheese (& News): Mr. Deschane is no longer taking that position. Once the hire was made known, he was demoted, and then he resigned. So at least THAT is no longer an issue.

    Nonetheless, I am proud that our federal legislators called him on the carpet about the union-busting not saving any money. I am also proud of the Vermont Governor, who gave Gov. Walker a bottle of maple syrup, as a prop it turned out, for Shumlin's point that "you can get more with maple sugar than with vinegar."

    -- Posted by koeller77 on Fri, Apr 15, 2011, at 1:19 PM
  • We both have valid views and people have a right to disagree and have free speech and tg most of my friends are liberals otherwise I would be bored. Anyways another suggestion would be looking at the adoption industry regulate the cost without sacrificing the welfare of the child....In the ultimate end your right its between a woman in her maker and if god considers abortion as murder than I feel bad for her...I realize I can't force my morals even tho they are right leaning but I just wish the left would realize it too. But that can't happen bc we live in a society where the majority has the right to govern the minority.

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Fri, Apr 15, 2011, at 1:51 PM
  • As far as the father's consequences the mother can pursue child support in fact if a mother signs up for afdc they are required to give up the name of the father but it is ultimately the mother's decision to hold the father responsible...And if they don't give up the name the mother has to go get gainful employement with in a certain time limit or education and if they don't after a certain amount of time they loose benefits..And if you think about Planned Parenthood and other such orgnations make their money on abortions so thats where they are going to concentrate their resources.

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Fri, Apr 15, 2011, at 1:56 PM
  • Amy & Jason -

    Just to play devil's advocate...what about the rights of the father the OTHER way? The right of the father to WANT his child but the mother terminates the pregnancy against HIS will? Or even without acknowledging to him that she is pregnant?

    Or what if the mother got pregnant against the will of the father? I wish I could remember the name of the case, but there was one in the last few years where a man sought to have his parental rights terminated - along with his need to pay child support because the woman got pregnant on the sly (NOT on accident).

    -- Posted by koeller77 on Fri, Apr 15, 2011, at 2:12 PM
  • Man, this blog has gotten depressing. Heard these same arguments in the 70s. Nothing worth reading here at this time, guess I'll take a few days off.

    -- Posted by Interested Too on Fri, Apr 15, 2011, at 4:51 PM
  • If you want to see some amazing pictures of space check out these take by Nasa's WISE space telescope.


    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Fri, Apr 15, 2011, at 5:33 PM
  • ND re: On another note. A powerful piece that everyone should read, but few will.

    rr3: Great pictures.

    Frankly speaking it amazes me that people don't want to read, or see the stuff that is made available here, as represented by these offerings. Boring? I think not.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Apr 15, 2011, at 7:23 PM
  • The thought occurs to me that though people say ignorance is bliss, it is not so when their bliss has been destroyed by things of which they are ignorant.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Apr 15, 2011, at 7:27 PM
  • Jason1969,

    You had me listening to you but when you responded by putting the responsibility all on the woman (She can seek for child support), you lost me. If it takes two to tango, the responsibility should also be shared -- and not just monetarily.

    Please don't bother responding. This conversation is finished.

    -- Posted by Amy Crump on Fri, Apr 15, 2011, at 8:19 PM
  • Consider the conservation but I must say this Ms. or Mrs. Crump. You are very passionate in your beliefs and you deserve the respect that is given to you sorry if I offended anybody.

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Fri, Apr 15, 2011, at 10:17 PM
  • nanadot... the 3% of budget that Planned parenthood "Claims" to be from abortions is misleading... this is an interesting take on accounting tricks... when speaking of value or cost per service rendered the actual percentage of revenue from abortions in planned parenthood is about 36.7% annually.


    -- Posted by mrxray on Fri, Apr 15, 2011, at 11:54 PM
  • just to follow up on the subject... when two people decide to give in to their urges and decide to "tango" and IGNORED the possible consequences of the tango, ignored the possibility of pregnancy and when they have FAILED to adequately prevent the preventable pregnancy, then BOTH people have given up their RIGHTs in regards to the creation of the new life. The pregnancy was preventable and if there was not adequate birth control then the two people should have NOT given in to primal urges since they do have highly functioning brains (Supposedly) And if humans cannot control their urges and use intelligent decision making choices, then they are probably not the ones that should become parents. However, once that pregnancy is there, then they have given up their freedom of Choice (choice to tango without birth control) and the new life has ALL rights, or at least should have in CIVILIZED societies. We should be Erring on the side of LIFE not on the side of convienence for two people who could not tango without precautions and need an easy way out to dodge their responsibility as humans who have created a new life

    -- Posted by mrxray on Sat, Apr 16, 2011, at 6:40 AM
  • Jason1969,

    I feel I must say to you that it is a pleasure to have a discussion with someone who treats others with respect. While it's obvious that we are on opposite ends of the spectrum on this topic, you present your case in reasonable manner. Thank you!

    -- Posted by Amy Crump on Sat, Apr 16, 2011, at 8:41 AM
  • SOMETIMES pregnancy OCCURS when BIRTH control IS used. NO birth CONTROL method IS 100% effective. HOW many UNWANTED babies have YOU adopted mrxray?

    -- Posted by born-n-raised on Sat, Apr 16, 2011, at 9:36 AM
  • MrXray in your decision as to what people give up did you consider the children who do, by law, and reason not have a responsible mind, but yet are parties to child pregnancy? So they should pay the price of their physical error even though they are legally incompetent?

    What is your take as to what should transpire regarding these children who make a mistake?

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Apr 16, 2011, at 9:43 AM
  • born-n-raised there is one form of birth control that works every time "abstinence". Oh I forgot they are going to do it anyway so why teach that I mean that would be teaching responsibility wouldn't it?

    Okr you can always state a situation to justify your position but as a whole it doesn't hold water. Frankly it makes no sense.

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sat, Apr 16, 2011, at 9:55 AM
  • Abstinence education is a little off topic, considering we are discussing what happens after unwanted pregnancy has already occurred.

    -- Posted by born-n-raised on Sat, Apr 16, 2011, at 10:15 AM
  • rr3 you said to me, "Okr you can always state a situation to justify your position but as a whole it doesn't hold water. Frankly it makes no sense."

    Sorry you couldn't understand it. I will wait for X-ray's response, to whom I addressed the question.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Apr 16, 2011, at 1:55 PM
  • In a democratic society we are going to have passion and beliefs that are diffrent. Does it mean its wrong on either side of the spectrum its not up to me ultimately amy said one thing right... Its up to something of greater power in my case god to judge...And its my oppinnon for the record I am pro choice without the goverment involved ie no govt. funding. But that also means the choice of the activities that end up with either the birth or the abortion... Just wish parents bc its not the schools responsibility or church or anyting to teach morals. I guess what I am saying is that I don't believe abortion is the best possible choice in my case i would tell the mother of my unborn child give me a chance to be a father and if you don't want to be a mother you can sign the rights away..

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Sat, Apr 16, 2011, at 1:59 PM
  • sorry for the typos on pain pills after having open heart surgery. Recovery is going good.

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Sat, Apr 16, 2011, at 2:01 PM
  • Jason1969,

    Well stated! I particularly like your statement about what is the parents' responsibility -- not the schools.

    Glad to hear that you are recovering nicely from surgery. Isn't just amazing what they can do nowadays with surgery (or even without surgery)? We live in a fantastical time.

    -- Posted by Amy Crump on Sat, Apr 16, 2011, at 2:17 PM
  • Oh, the glory of lilacs blooming! Is there anything more wonderful than the perfume of lilacs in the air?

    -- Posted by Amy Crump on Sat, Apr 16, 2011, at 3:15 PM
  • The scent of a woman.

    -- Posted by Slater on Sat, Apr 16, 2011, at 6:04 PM
  • Surgery would of been ok if i didn't had a medicine that didn't attack my lungs... Now I am worse off I am exploring litigation on this matter bc of certain things. 1. Had a history of chronic lung disease 2. They had a year and half to do a full work up on my lungs. Didn't happen... Other than that I can not say anything other than each day gets better.

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Sat, Apr 16, 2011, at 7:41 PM
  • lol Nanadot... but if you actually use the example stated in that article the 3% is misleading. Like the example said that if you look at an airplane builder it could be said by using pure numbers of parts from the tiniest screw to the whole airplane, then since they only sell a few whole planes compared to the millions of varying parts, then if you ignore the dollar amounts then the airplane builder only would have a very small % of their business alotted to whole planes... however whole plane sales would make up probably over 90% of their dollar/sales.... you can use accounting to make figures look like anything you want.

    -- Posted by mrxray on Sat, Apr 16, 2011, at 7:42 PM
  • OKR... I am not 100% sure what you are asking.. if you are asking about the children having children, are you making an excuse for children that have sex KNOWING that pregnancy is a risk of sex? Are you saying that simply because their brain is not fully developed (Possibly) that this excuses them from being held responsible for their actions and for the outcomes of their actions? Are you saying that children who kill or hurt other children should not be held responsible for their actions nor punished and instead given a "pass" or a legal break from being responsible for their actions by blaming it on youth?

    There is no good answer, but in my opinion, because YOU and a partner made a BAD choice and could not delay your sexual urges until you have contraception does not give you the right to terminate a life.

    I guess my thought is that if we value life so much that we protect people from being murdered and injured to the point that we desire to even end childhood bullying and fighting and accidents, then how does this logic and desire to protect life line up with terminating a life simply because two people cannot use adequate contraception? Especially when they usually use the excuse that the "heat of the moment" prevented them from thinking about birth control. Or they were drunk or some other reason or excuse prevented them from making the smart choice.

    -- Posted by mrxray on Sat, Apr 16, 2011, at 7:55 PM
  • You cannot on one hand say we are civilized and that we value life when we also are willing to terminate a life simply because people made a bad choice. (obviously excluding the risk of death to the mother/rape reasons)

    -- Posted by mrxray on Sat, Apr 16, 2011, at 7:57 PM
  • I wish you well Jason,Hope you have some Health Care.A lot of People like you don't,and if you do they will Price you out of it! In my case,i thank the VA for my back up! Good luck with your problem, and i wish you well!

    -- Posted by Jo on Sat, Apr 16, 2011, at 10:08 PM
  • If you value life you should value the law of the land mean no harm should come to the person who performs the abortion and the woman who is having it you can't be hyprocitical after all we live in a free society...Remember majority rules and thats a fact in a democratic society tg for that who would want to live in China?

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Sun, Apr 17, 2011, at 12:02 AM
  • Now to a difrent question does Saline county and Marshall work together well in attracting companies to Marshall ie like a tif(tax breaks on property bonds that are at lower interest rates?

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Sun, Apr 17, 2011, at 12:05 AM
  • Thanks for your reply X-ray.

    An example may best clarify my remark. As we all know puberty is arriving earlier, and earlier for girls, why, is another story.

    I had in mind those ten, eleven , and twelve year old kids that become pregnant. In general they have had inadequate parenting, poverty, and its usual attendant, ignorance to deal with. To me it just doesn't seem fair that kids already deprived in so many ways be forced to carry to term. Those children are legally not competent, (infant status under law) intellectually not competent, emotionally not competent. How can we then say oh, but you must be morally competent, you must be morally responsible, and if not you must face the same consequences as would an adult in your position. Even for murder children are not by law forced to face the same consequences as adults. Yet many would not show them the mercy in case of pregnancy, that they are shown in every other circumstance. It is not rational to isolate this one circumstance from the way they are treated in every other circumstance.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Apr 17, 2011, at 12:14 AM
  • Well, Jason, that's an another interesting topic. There have been recent looks into how TIF districts are working the way they were designed to and in fact, they don't. I can find that information if you want. (Don't have it at my fingertips right now.)

    Picture this: a new business comes into town, lured by lower taxes, and although it's fantastic that new jobs are created and people move in, it also creates more demands for services such as fire and police protection, education, libraries -- all services that are (at least in part) paid for by taxes. But the business (usually higher than personal taxes) doesn't have to pay their taxes for 75 years. See the catch-22?

    In addition, there's a real problem with the way that said districts have been (mis)managed in our state.

    -- Posted by Amy Crump on Sun, Apr 17, 2011, at 7:27 AM
  • I agree with your points but here is another thought make it a requirement that 80 percent of a certain amount of positions are offered to local workers...or some other percentage that is realistic. In theory one could assume the influx of tax paying working individuals thru sales tax property tax and income would off set the lost of property taxes of the new business. And if you want a variety sometimes you have to sacrifice in order to gain something. For instance in Glasglow they are getting a company but the state is doing all the tax relief or attraction.

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Sun, Apr 17, 2011, at 9:01 AM
  • And not going to subject of an abortion but if a 10 yr old gets pregnant or 11 yr old gets pregnant than the parents of both kids need parental counseling to be better parents.

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Sun, Apr 17, 2011, at 9:03 AM
  • Jason1969,

    Yes, it would be good if there was requirement about a certain amount of jobs going to local people. However, one of the advantages of new business is that it brings new people to town. I mean, we all age and if no new people come in then the town ages too quickly.

    Also, the problem I have with tax breaks for businesses is that makes the people bear all the weight of the taxes. While I am a believer in taxes because I see what they provide for us, I have strong feelings about the main weight being on individuals who are working to feed their families. I believe the big businesses should contribute to the communities they are located in, not be given a free pass.

    -- Posted by Amy Crump on Sun, Apr 17, 2011, at 9:08 AM
  • Another problem is that we have created this monster ourselves. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy: "If we don't offer these tax breaks, the company will locate someplace where they can get the tax breaks. We better make the deal really sweet so it beats out the other locations." That type of thinking creates a competition that has the community that "wins" lose out on those needed taxes. And the cycle escalates each time -- the first time, it's a 10-year tax break, the next time, it's a 50-year tax break. You create a cycle that never ends.

    What needs to happen (and never will) is that the communities stand together and say, "we're not going to offer these ridiculous tax breaks because they are harmful in the long-run to the community. What productive way can we encourage you to choose our location?"

    Just me living in a fantasy world!

    -- Posted by Amy Crump on Sun, Apr 17, 2011, at 9:14 AM
  • And one more thing to keep in mind -- when these tax breaks are given to businesses, there is no stipulation that they have to stay in the community once the tax breaks expire. They can move to another community (or state) that offers them more tax breaks.

    The tax breaks don't create loyalty to the community.

    -- Posted by Amy Crump on Sun, Apr 17, 2011, at 9:29 AM
  • FINALLY got a business to come to the area. Let's COMPLAIN about it and make sure nobody else comes here.

    -- Posted by broke-n-busted on Sun, Apr 17, 2011, at 3:26 PM
  • You know, all the same arguments being posed against tax breaks for locating business, can be made for not buying votes with welfare programs. What a better world it would be if we never live for the sake of another man nor ask another man to live for us.

    -- Posted by marshall4ever on Sun, Apr 17, 2011, at 4:07 PM
  • Not everyone is born equally abled, marshall4ever.

    -- Posted by born-n-raised on Sun, Apr 17, 2011, at 6:15 PM
  • broke-and-busted,

    There's a difference between complaining and legitimately discussing a broken system.

    -- Posted by Amy Crump on Sun, Apr 17, 2011, at 8:01 PM
  • Amy,

    I just had a look at the MSDC Web site, and I have to say it's uninspiring. Below is a part I lifted from the section called Project Footprint: Alumni. Read the last sentence and you'll see one reason why the site needs improvement. The common use of "there are" to begin a sentence indicates laziness on the part of the composer, and I had to laugh when I read that "several private schools are available, except some don't exist." What do you suppose Ms. or Mr. Site Search would think after reading that?

    "Who Should Register?"

    "Anyone who is a past or present student of Saline County's school districts (regardless of whether you graduated). We have four public schools, Marshall, Slater, Malta Bend, and Sweet Springs. There are also a variety of other private schools in the area, some of which no longer exist."

    Effective communication is paramount in this case, and we ain't seein' it here.

    -- Posted by Slater on Sun, Apr 17, 2011, at 9:35 PM
  • Well, websites can be tricky to create and maintain. I know the library one has been redone several times in the past six years and there's still some parts that I'm not satisfied with.

    -- Posted by Amy Crump on Sun, Apr 17, 2011, at 9:47 PM
  • Wonder what this fellow's position on abortion is?

    AP reports: JOPLIN, Mo. (AP) -- A 25-year-old man has pleaded guilty to having illicit sex with a 14-year-old girl while traveling with a missionary group in the Mediterranean country of Cyprus in 2007.

    Spreading the word of God and who knows what else.

    -- Posted by upsedaisy on Sun, Apr 17, 2011, at 11:44 PM
  • Hello Upsedaisy,

    I was thinking about you the other day as the bad weather moved eastward, and I had my fingers crossed so that the tumultuous weather didn't cause you any distress.

    -- Posted by Slater on Mon, Apr 18, 2011, at 12:06 AM
  • For the 3 guys who decided that riding bikes on Vest St.( or any other street ) at 11:45 pm dressed in black,then chose to cross the street in front of my car scaring the crap out of me you are not the brightest crayon in the box

    You should know when on a bike,walking you have same law that you have to obey as if you was driving a vehicle

    Common sense people lets get smart on yourself

    -- Posted by momandgramma on Mon, Apr 18, 2011, at 12:07 AM
  • In the place I lived six years ago, men riding bikes at night meant they were dealing drugs. Especially if they were on bikes that were too small for them. Easier to stay out of the sight of police if you are dressed in dark colors.

    -- Posted by Amy Crump on Mon, Apr 18, 2011, at 7:18 AM
  • Ok since there are people who are against the idea of attracting companies to marshall with tax breaks and tax bonds at a lower interest rate. I want to know if they have ideas on how to attract companies to marshall what incentive would you give to a company to attract companies. In my opinnon the town doesn't support its school when it comes to funding them sometimes like when the schools wanted to do something about changing the format of individual grades in schools to making them "neighborhood" schools.

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Mon, Apr 18, 2011, at 8:01 AM
  • As far as on vest I have never been in a city that has poorly lighted streets like marshall even in the early darkness on vest especially its hard to see people walking, riding bikes and what gives if your walking in the street single file...

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Mon, Apr 18, 2011, at 8:04 AM
  • The one other thing I have to say is god I love the people of the USA and our nation. What other country can you exchange ideas and not have to worry about a govt. crackdown (I know there is our allies but some of them have some restrictions on press and personal freedoms)anyways love talking to people about todays problems in our society even getting into a heated debate then going for a drink in my case it would be diet soda or plain ice tea lol.

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Mon, Apr 18, 2011, at 8:38 AM
  • Jason,

    It seems to me that people are in favor of seeing business locate in and around Marshall. The merits of offering tax abatement as an incentive can rightfully be questioned, particularly when a company moves because it's been offered a better deal elsewhere. Municipalities are always on the short end of the loyalty stick, so, obviously, it behooves the city administrators to draw up an agreement that minimizes the city's financial burden as much as possible. Those are tough negotiations, and sometimes it's best to walk away and see what kind of deal can be made with the next one.

    I believe I recall reading here a year or so ago that the MSDC (which has existed for a decade or so?) has yet to deliver the goods, so the taxpaying residents of the county whose dollars support the operation of the organization should be wanting to learn why it's largely unsuccessful.

    As you would figure, many factors influence a decision to establish a business in a particular location. If the elements of a region are so limiting that they prohibit action by a prospective industry, then it would be time to reassess the viability of the existing formal development corporation.

    It would make better sense to me to take those same dollars being shoved down the dry well and invest them in local endeavors, that is, if the entrepreneurial spirit is alive and well.

    -- Posted by Slater on Mon, Apr 18, 2011, at 10:09 AM
  • Thanks Slater for kind thoughts,

    Escaped unscathed. Some 60 tornadoes did enormous damage w/too many deaths to North Carolina. Mending broken hearts will take a long time.

    -- Posted by upsedaisy on Mon, Apr 18, 2011, at 12:13 PM
  • The big companies, those that would make a big impact, choose their sites. The big boys seem to be more attuned to what they need and not what the towns offer them in the way of tax breaks and whatnot. Sure, they will take anything you want to give them, but their ultimate decision is deciding if the area/county/town fits their needs.

    As someone posted, let us build up what we have; offer some incentives to established business' to expand.

    -- Posted by red dog on Mon, Apr 18, 2011, at 12:54 PM
  • FYI,

    For those following the progress of local cartoonist Keith Brown in the Cartoon Studio contest, he's made it to the 8th round. Supporters can still vote at www.thecartooniststudio.com.

    Look for "The Wages of Sin."

    -- Posted by Eric Crump on Mon, Apr 18, 2011, at 5:34 PM
  • Interesting comment on the Japanese nuclear catastrophe. Yup, it is still a problem. http://www.truthout.org/how-many-chernobyls-we-get-it/1303110000

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Apr 19, 2011, at 12:08 AM
  • Radiation too high for Japanese nuclear workers near the Reactor site. Another set back. http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/japan-earthquake/4903728/Radiation-near-Japan-...

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Apr 19, 2011, at 12:13 AM
  • Amen, Newsaccross, Preach on Brother! there are more of us and we all get a vote. I say USE IT!

    -- Posted by BigFatGuy on Tue, Apr 19, 2011, at 8:40 AM
  • I really do feel like the Goverment of Japan has dropped the ball on this. The nuke plants should have been incased with cement and sand a long time ago.

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Tue, Apr 19, 2011, at 10:08 AM
  • Jason1969,

    I know its not going well, but have you noticed that Japan is dealing with quite a load right now? I am sure the govt of Japan is a little over loaded with the human crisis going on and the town that got eaten by a tsunami, and the other list of problems that arise after a disaster of this magnitude.

    I would like to see a comparison of damage to the environment done between Japans unexpected and unpredictable disaster and the Totally avoidable and preventable BP oil spill. I bet the results would suprise some folks.

    -- Posted by BigFatGuy on Tue, Apr 19, 2011, at 11:41 AM
  • There is no excuse what they did to their citizens by not reacting was wrong look at the soviet union and chernobyl took them only 14 days to react to that now look at japan they have vast area that will never be able to be populate they have allies that could of helped but bc of their culture they have not asked for help thats my imo.

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Tue, Apr 19, 2011, at 12:12 PM
  • I understand your opinion and feelings about the situation and concern for the human/natural consequences of this disaster but I would advise against blaming any culture for the actions of its governing body.

    -- Posted by BigFatGuy on Tue, Apr 19, 2011, at 2:08 PM
  • BFG it is hard to draw a conclusion at this time as to the comparative catastrophes. Maybe twenty years from now when the long range consequences of each will begin to be apparent.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Apr 19, 2011, at 2:15 PM
  • Gotta say this is a pretty racist statement

    Elected Officials -- including Presidents -- lying our Nation into immoral wars against brown skinned poor people in foreign places.

    We are of course assuming that only brown skinned people are poor and living in foreign places.

    Immoral acts have happened in all wars, including the "moral" wars and to people of all economic and racial backgrounds.

    -- Posted by inthemiddle on Tue, Apr 19, 2011, at 3:53 PM
  • -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Apr 19, 2011, at 6:16 PM
  • BACTERIA!!!! IT'S WHAT'S FOR DINNER!!!!!!!!!!!!

    -- Posted by Slater on Tue, Apr 19, 2011, at 8:17 PM
  • This guy's hamburger got taken by a tornado and he can't find it. This is a must watch!


    -- Posted by cheesehead on Tue, Apr 19, 2011, at 10:15 PM
  • LOL Slater.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Apr 20, 2011, at 12:00 AM
  • OKR, that news makes a person want to try self-sufficiency.

    -- Posted by Slater on Wed, Apr 20, 2011, at 12:09 AM
  • BigFatGuy: I couldn't respond to you on the teacher's pay story. 60 hours a week is a lot. You are right. But according to the schedule teachers only work 180 days for that pay. So, they are working fewer hours than other people, making more per hour than many of us and demand extra pay (career ladder) for the few hours they spend in professional development or helping students outside of class.

    Math: 1 week= 60 hours (your numbers)

    180 days (school calendar) = 5 days per week or 36 weeks.

    Total hours: 60 * 36= 2160

    Average pay (http://www.city-data.com/school/hardeman-elem-mo.html) $30,814: $14.27 hour

    My job: 50 hrs * 50 weeks = 2500 hours.

    Average pay $28850: $11.54 per hour.


    Teachers do important work, but they are not underpaid.

    -- Posted by marshall4ever on Wed, Apr 20, 2011, at 11:01 AM
  • "Teachers do important work, but they are not underpaid."

    Posted by marshall4ever on Wed, Apr 20, 2011, at 11:01 AM

    I beg to differ. Would you want to listen to 25 screaming and whining little kids for 8 hours a day? I know I wouldn't! I would gladly pay them more!

    -- Posted by Employed on Wed, Apr 20, 2011, at 11:14 AM
  • Try homeschooling even your own kids; keeping them involved and learning, then see if those teachers who have 20+ kids in their classes are underpaid. They ought to get double, after all, they are a huge influence on how your child may compete for jobs and act in the future. Are you sure that you want to send them out to the lowest bidder?

    -- Posted by Interested Too on Wed, Apr 20, 2011, at 11:15 AM
  • Why has the comment option been removed from the story on the budget cuts? Some people clearly posted comments. Why can't all of us? If you closed it down because you dont want more comments then remove ALL the comments to be fair to the rest of us.

    -- Posted by momaster on Wed, Apr 20, 2011, at 11:18 AM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    OK. All comments removed.
  • marshall4ever..that's right, just 180 days which means the rest of the days THEY ARE NOT PAID FOR so to be fair if you are comparing their salaries to someone who works 12 months spread that teacher salary out over 12 months not 8.

    -- Posted by momaster on Wed, Apr 20, 2011, at 11:20 AM
  • BFG click back to the "Slater Opposes" article where you commented. I added some info that you may find interesting.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Apr 20, 2011, at 12:22 PM
  • Marshall4ever..I have a question. Do you have a college degree or a master's degree and earning $11 something per hour? It is sad when a teacher could go work at a Quik Trip (just an example) and make more money without a college degree, than they are making teaching our future. Remember, you don't know what it is like unless you have walked in their shoes.

    -- Posted by yellow on Wed, Apr 20, 2011, at 12:23 PM
  • MoMaster,

    your math doesn't make sense why should teachers get paid for 12 months when they only work 8. While I am not a teacher and I will openly admit that, I have many friends that are. They feel they are fairly paid for the time they work. A few of them pick up in home day care in the Summer to supplement their income while they are at home, and they have no problem filling the openings. This argument comes down to stop complaining and start doing.

    As for Homeschooling their is a trend toward homeschooling. There has been a 76% increase in children being home schooled since 1999 when the Dept. of Ed. started tracking. With a 36% increase over the last 4 years.


    Also home schooled children score on average 67 points higher on their SAT's than students who are educated in a school setting and 2.2 points higher on their ACT's than the student educated in a school setting. I think those numbers speak for themselves.


    -- Posted by Mommyto1 on Wed, Apr 20, 2011, at 12:25 PM
  • Comments restored on the Marshall school district budget cuts story. No more personal attacks, OK?

    -- Posted by Eric Crump on Wed, Apr 20, 2011, at 12:25 PM
  • Hey maybe teachers should be paid like parents have to pay daycare. Parents even provide the transportation for that. I know one person that pays $120 per week even if there child is not there. You also don't take them when they are sick you either have to take off work or have someone that can watch a sick kid. A teacher with 20 students that would be $2400 a week, $124,800 per year. That's why we need private schooling where the teachers get paid better and we don't have the government administration cost.

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Apr 20, 2011, at 12:37 PM
  • rr3 then who would take the special ed kids? Who would take the very poor kids? Sounds like another hard hearted pseudoconservative ploy to me. We have a long tradition of public education, we should not through out the baby with the bath water.

    As for home schooling, it is suitable in some cases, but it needs to be better regulated. The present system allows things like a child being yanked from public school who wound up dead in a front yard discarded freezer for seven months. No one saw him, no one cared, he was being home schooled. It also allowed a mother to home school who was afraid she couldn't get her G.E.D., so she didn't. Her kids never saw another teacher, but her.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Apr 20, 2011, at 1:20 PM
  • Okr don't take it so seriously I was only pointing out the discrepancy in the way things are prioritized. You make it sound like all homeschoolers are drop outs or serial killers. More government regulation is the last thing they need. What do think is wrong with out public education? Yep government regulation. At all graduations the dollars in scholarships for the students excelling at sports far exceeds the dollars in academic scholarships. Misplaced priorities for sure. Is there such a thing as a full ride academic scholarship? I don't know but there are many for sports. The impression that I get is it is far more important to be athletic then to be smart.

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Apr 20, 2011, at 1:39 PM
  • Just want to give a shout out to the St. Peter kids yesterday walking for Miles for Meals. While everyone is complaining about schools I thought I would give some kudos to some teachers and kids.

    -- Posted by KW on Wed, Apr 20, 2011, at 2:43 PM
  • Thanks for the clarification Smart Dog.

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Apr 20, 2011, at 4:25 PM
  • rr3

    You better do more research. Private school teachers, elementary and secondary, seldom make more than their public school counterparts. Many are lucky to make the same. I have many friends and relatives who have worked for private schools and that is one of their major gripes. Example, my brother-in-law taught at an affluent suburban private school and when he switched to a public school in a less affluent neighborhood, he still made nearly $3000 more each year plus his retirement and health insurance. My sister did the opposite and switched from public to private and saw her salary drop by a couple of thousand. She enjoys the greater parent support in private

    -- Posted by inthemiddle on Wed, Apr 20, 2011, at 5:39 PM
  • Smart Dog,

    It may not be my place to comment on such matters; however, as a recent graduate of Marshall High School, I thought you might like a first hand perspective on the college scholarship process. I think that I may have an interesting perspective as I was the Valedictorian of my class last year, the Student Body President, and I had a composite score of a 32 (which at the time was the 99th percentile) on the ACT. Currently I am a first year student at the University of Notre Dame in South Bend, Indiana.

    First, I would like to point out that there are at least two Division I athletes from MHS: Cortni Ervin is on the track and field team at the University of Missouri and Mason Weber swims at the University of Notre Dame. Also, I can think of at least four Division II athletes just in the Class of 2010: Matt Buford and Nathan Cato play football at Missouri Western, Matt Jacobs plays football at Truman State, and Morgan Lamberson golfs at Drury (I apologize if I left anyone out!). I am not sure how much of a scholarship each student received from their respective institution and it is not my place to speculate about that.

    Now I would like to debunk this myth about students getting a "free ride" at any institution, let alone the top institutions. Since most individuals in the area know and associate with the University of Missouri (MU), I will use it for my examples. I will use the numbers from scholarships that I received. The Cost of Attendance (COA) at MU is $21,280 for an in-state student according to the Financial Aid website. MU offers only 50 scholarships (labeled as the Chancellor's Scholarship) based on ACT, etc. that cover the full COA. Currently there are 24,759 undergraduate students at MU. When I applied to MU, I received another scholarship for high scoring students, the Curator's Scholarship, which is only $3,500. Even when combined with Bright Flight, which the Missouri General Assembly was not fully funding at the time, it would have only brought my award up to $5,500 (only 25% of the COA). There are of course grants through both the state and federal governments (Access Missouri, Pell Grant, SEOG, etc.) that can help make up the difference. Thankfully, I applied for, and received, the Sam M. Walton Scholarship in Business from the Trulaske College of Business at MU, which would have given me another $7,500, which still does not cover the entire COA.

    Now when discussing elite institutions, one must pretty much throw all pre-conceived notions of scholarships out the window. When you look at the Ivy League (Harvard, etc.) they offer aid based on financial need, not on academic ability (the University of Notre Dame does this as well, except for 25 half-ride scholarships that are part of a program that just began this year). The philosophy behind this decision is that if you are smart enough to be accepted at such an institution then you are all equally qualified for aid, which is then distributed to the most needy first. As such, it did not help that I scored a 32 on the ACT, as nearly everyone else that I know here at Notre Dame scored that or higher.

    Finally, where I found my community involvement, my extra-curricular activities, my grades, and my ACT score paid off was in the pursuit of outside, or private, scholarships. Last year, I applied for many, and thankfully was blessed with many as well. Many of these scholarships were funded by local organizations, although I did receive two scholarships from very recognizable national corporations (Wal-Mart and Cargill). My advice to anyone is if you want to pay for school with scholarships, then you need to apply for the outside ones. Even if they are only $500, it adds up. Despite all of the outside scholarships, grants, University aid, etc. I received, I still had to pay a sizable portion of the $50,000+ COA at Notre Dame.

    This was not meant to be an opinion column, it is just the facts.

    Jacob Stanton

    -- Posted by Jacob Stanton on Wed, Apr 20, 2011, at 5:56 PM
  • Also, if you are looking for the students who have scored a 30 or above on the ACT or have a 4.0 or above GPA, then go to the Commons in the high school and on the East wall there is the "Academic Wall of Honor," which shows all of the students that fit in either one or both of those categories.

    -- Posted by Jacob Stanton on Wed, Apr 20, 2011, at 6:35 PM
  • The lack of a strong family rather it be single parent or a 2 parent plays a huge role in our education of a children. Lots of children are left to do their homework on their own. No help at home

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Wed, Apr 20, 2011, at 7:44 PM
  • Oklahoma,

    Are you seriously making the accusation that homeschooled children are more at risk than public school?

    It drives me crazy that every time homeschooling is mentioned, people drag out these rare horror stories that they can't give research citations for. Do you know how many children are abused in this country on a yearly basis? Take a look at that number and then find out how many of them are homeschooled. Betcha a big wad of cash that most of them are in the public school system.

    The choice to homeschool is one made by dedicated parents who typically have to give up making a second income in order to be able educate their children.

    -- Posted by Amy Crump on Wed, Apr 20, 2011, at 7:59 PM
  • Oh, by the way -- regarding regulation. Most states have little regulation of private schools. In Illinois, the only requirement of a private school is that they teach the classes in English and that they approximate grade-level subject matter.

    So those wonderful private schools that are under-regulated are successful. Why should homeschoolers be more regulated than them?

    -- Posted by Amy Crump on Wed, Apr 20, 2011, at 8:03 PM
  • Ok here is a shocker for you all I believe some school districts manipulate the state scores and you ask why I have a personal experience. This was at the Independence mo Schools.I have a step daughter thats in the lowest iep that can be iq was tested a few yrs back at 70 at 8th grade we were told she was at a 3rd grade level. Now we have to get her tested and its going cost us 200 dollars. Now we ask Marshall to retest her bc of our concerns with the last testing they said no. Reason being the state requires only testing ever 2 or 3 yrs forgot witch one. Basically the schools our only following state policy and are trying to go beyond. We are so worried about her future bc she can't even follow simple directions. If its more than 2 steps we have to explain each step.

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Wed, Apr 20, 2011, at 8:58 PM
  • Amy ouch, sorry I hit a sore spot. Apparently you will agree with me that home school kids need the same accountability that public school kids do. Then if your take is correct it would be statistically supported. As it stands your opinion is no more supported than mine.

    Don't throw comparitive ACT, and SAT scores back at me. A lot of home school kids don't even take them.

    We can exchange anecdotal stories all day, but that doesn't cut it. There are horror stories some of which are documented, and there are some of them of which I have personal knowlege.

    I also know kids that have thrived by being home schooled. I don't mention them because they are not endangered. I am concerned about those who are short shrifted. If you don't believe some are in that category it is my opinion that you are ill informed on the subject.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Apr 21, 2011, at 12:11 AM
  • Oklahoma,

    How about we agree on this? The people who abuse kids and use homeschool as a cover for their atrocities are NOT homeschoolers.

    Homeschoolers are dedicated to enriching their child's life with a quality education.

    Some homeschooler (past and present) in the Marshall community:

    the newspaper editor and his librarian wife

    a surgeon

    a financial advisor

    the manager of a government agency

    -- Posted by Amy Crump on Thu, Apr 21, 2011, at 7:09 AM
  • A very apropos article given the current topic. This is an article from today's Wisconsin State Journal:


    -- Posted by koeller77 on Thu, Apr 21, 2011, at 7:49 AM
  • I thought you were a home schooler Amy based on the emotional tone of your response to my initial post on the subject. People like you, and Eric are ideal home schoolers. In fact, even were you not home schoolers, the intellectually enriched environment that you, and people like you provide children assures that you are de facto home schoolers even if you were not doing it on a formal basis.

    However you, and people like you are a minority. Therefore it is my opinion that your touting of people with strong backgrounds in your post was superfluous. Surely you must agree with me that home schoolers, as is the case with private schools, and public schools run the gamut from excellent to abysmal.

    Some of the on line home school programs teach children that the earth, and all that is on it, is six thousand years old, flying in the face of the body of contemporary knowledge. That is also the case with some private schools.

    Any one can home school their children, and no one is officially looking over their shoulder. There is no accountability. As it stands parents can elect to if they so desire, to use only the Bible, or the Koran, or anything else they choose as sole text to "educate" their children. No one knows what is going on with home schooled kids. In my opinion it is in the best interest of the home schooled children of our country to at the least check to see that they are performing at grade level. I do not believe that it is an unnecessary intrusion to at the least have them twice a year complete a general test that can measure their progress. That could be a state, or federally monitored test.

    You make a mistake by assuming the standard that you, and the others you cited set is typical for the majority of home schoolers. It is no different than if I had said that the extreme examples on the low end that I cited were what home schooling amounted to. I do not see how it can give you comfort that home schooling is grand because you know some folks who do a bang up job of it. I am surprised that you have closed your usual critical eye, and are blindly defending the entire spectrum of home schoolers.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Apr 21, 2011, at 12:14 PM
  • @Amy - You're right! Wonderful, educated people like you and Eric are ideal homeschoolers. People who are dedicated to making sure your children have a strong footing in many subjects, and ensuring that they will live successful lives.

    @OKR - You're right, too! I love my best friend, but she was SO not qualified to home school when she took her two kids out of school for a year. She didn't force them to stick to a schedule, didn't make sure that their work was done, and she didn't make them do all the subjects if they didn't want to. Why was she homeschooling? She had a disagreement with the school, and pulled them out of "that awful place." Thankfully, she realized after a year that she was doing them a disservice and they have now finally caught up to their peers.

    Homeschooling is not for everyone, horror stories of abuse aside. I do believe there should be some more oversight for those wishing to homeschool their kids! Or we could all send them to Amy & Eric, who ROCK, LOL!!

    -- Posted by koeller77 on Thu, Apr 21, 2011, at 12:50 PM
  • OKR: Let me address your offensive comments point by point:

    It's a good thing Columbus flew in the face of the body of contemporary knowledge and sailed across the "flat" Earth. It's a good thing Republicans fought against the body of contemporary knowledge that blacks were happy as slaves and worked to free them.

    No person, other than a prison inmate, should have anyone officially looking over their shoulder. Home schoolers are not criminals.

    There is nothing wrong with using the Bible, Koran or other work a principle book in education. Perhaps a lack of principles is the problem with modern education.

    As for "no one knowing what is going on with these home schooled kids" their parents do. And that is all that matters.

    Don't allow your beliefs to intrude upon other people's civil rights. Any intrusion is unnecessary.

    If I apply the same measure you use for home schoolers to public school teachers, they by large should be confine to an institution somewhere. After all, we hear about public school teachers committing crimes of violence and sexual perversion with and against their students every day. Just because some public school teachers do a bang up job is no reason to allow the lot of them to continue harming our children.

    Your arguments sure look interesting when aimed in another direction don't they?

    -- Posted by marshall4ever on Thu, Apr 21, 2011, at 12:52 PM
  • Marshall4ever I wasn't addressing you, and from the tone, and content of your post I choose not to, excepting to say that your statement, as long as the parents know what is going on every thing is O. K., might profit from further thought on your part. Hint to you, parents come in all varities, good, bad, and indifferent. If not we would not need child services to investigate parents would we?

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Apr 21, 2011, at 1:05 PM
  • Oklahoma,

    We may have to agree to disagree.

    In my experience, there are two main reasons why people homeschool. The first is from a desire to protect their children from what the parents view as a "negative" influences. The second is because the parents are dissatisfied with the level of education their children are receiving. Of course, a combination of both is also possible.

    Homeschooling regulations vary by state. In New York (and I believe Florida), you must have a teaching certificate in order to homeschool your children. In some states, you must submit a year's curriculum with the Department of Education.

    There are somewhere around 1.3 million children homeschooled in the US. There are approximately 52 million children in public and private schools.

    According to the US Dept. of Health and Human Services, 3.6 million children were reported as abused in 2009. I hope that you are not suggesting that almost one-third of the abused children in this country are homeschooled.

    Again, I would state that child abusers are not homeschoolers. They are predators who use homeschooling as a cover and consequently create ill-will toward homeschoolers.

    -- Posted by Amy Crump on Thu, Apr 21, 2011, at 6:38 PM
  • The school district I live in reported today that it has $97,000,000.00 in its "rainy day" fund.

    The state requires that each district have sufficient revenue set aside to be able to operate for two months, so now I'll be attempting to learn how much it costs to run this district for a month. I'll be shocked and amazed if it's $48.5 million. The superintendent was on the news saying, "Oh, we're going to use some of the fund to retain our teachers!"

    Next will be a school tax increase election, where the turnout is roughly 6%-8% of the registered voters - the usual average for this type election.

    Incidentally, my kids were schoolschooled and they turned out just fine, and you'll never guess which school they graduated from, so I'll tell you - Marshall High School (John Marshall HS, that is).

    -- Posted by Slater on Thu, Apr 21, 2011, at 8:00 PM
  • Amy, one more time, this time stated directly, are you opposed to oversight of home schoolers, and if so why?

    At no time have I used "horror stories" to do other than point out the bottom end of the spectrum. My primary point is that you, and I may speculate as to the educational status of home schooled children, but the sad truth is that neither of us know how well home schooled children en totem, are being educated. I want to know, perhaps you do not.

    Frankly, at this point I have no idea what your thoughts are on the subject, because all I have heard is your repeated comments that those at the bottom are predators, and therefore not home schoolers. In my opinion that is just a play on words, because they are first, certainly home schoolers (bad ones), and only secondly predators, predicated on their status in the first category.

    So you see I can not agree to disagree when I don't even know to any significant extent what we disagree, or agree about.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Apr 21, 2011, at 9:58 PM
  • Not trying to take sides but the school district that home schoolers would be in are the oversight here are some laws that you can look up your self missiouri law sections 162.996, 167.031 all you got to do is just imform yourself before you make an arguement against home school or regulating

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Fri, Apr 22, 2011, at 2:21 AM
  • Oklahoma,

    You say tomato and I say tomahto -- let's call the whole conversation off.

    Have a blessed Easter weekend!

    -- Posted by Amy Crump on Fri, Apr 22, 2011, at 7:22 AM
  • Jason my purview was national in scope. The problem is that we do not know how well the nation's home schooled children are doing.

    We can speculate, probably accurately, that those of well educated parents are doing well. We can speculate that those being home schooled by parents with less than a high school education may not be doing well at all, but we have no idea how the majority, those kids in between, compare to those educated by other methods.

    I think it is important that we know, obviously others don't. This apparently sleeping issue may awaken one day soon, and we may find that our children have been cheated. Law suits against state, and parents, will arise as a result, but the greater harm will be to our nation's future.

    With that I close my take on the subject, unless someone else stirs my interest. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Apr 22, 2011, at 11:06 AM
  • This may help ease your concerns OKR: http://www.ericdigests.org/2000-3/home.htm

    -- Posted by marshall4ever on Fri, Apr 22, 2011, at 11:22 AM
  • I don't have much of an opinion one way or the other about homeschooling, so I should stay out of this, because I know very little about homeschooling regulation, but if I were of a mind to give it a try, I would expect to have to qualify in part through subject exams and mental fitness, and I would expect periodic monitoring for effectiveness, among other things. I wouldn't be opposed to regulation, as long as it's comprehensive yet efficient.

    I see nothing wrong with homeschoolers pooling their resources by joining together in a somewhat communal arrangement, but maybe that format is outside the definition.

    Koeller's post regarding her friend who tried and failed supports the idea of the need for screening and structure.

    I'm in favor of a national standard for all of primary and secondary education, including homeschooling. Each state doing its own thing is less than adequate, in my opinion. But, hey, education isn't important enough in the "minds" of our legislators!

    -- Posted by Slater on Fri, Apr 22, 2011, at 11:27 AM
  • marshall4ever in my book this is the most important part of the link you posted.

    "It should be noted that it was not possible within the parameters of this study to evaluate whether this sample is truly representative of the entire population of home school students. Noting that the press had reported the results as if the sample had been random, Welner and Welner (1999) correctly cautioned that the results may not be an accurate portrayal of the home school population."

    I have no doubt that there are parents doing a great job of teaching their kids at home but I also know some are not.

    And the way it stands now we just don't know how many of the later we have.

    -- Posted by Gal66 on Fri, Apr 22, 2011, at 12:27 PM
  • The study show how homeschool students are several grade levels ahead of public school students and the one part you think is most important is the cover-my-butt comment that the researcher may not know everything about all homeschool students. Really? And you solution is to subject homeschool student to the same governmental interference that prevents public schools from doing a good job. Isn't that sad. We can't fix our public schools so lets just destroy all education.

    -- Posted by marshall4ever on Fri, Apr 22, 2011, at 12:33 PM
  • Here is the problem we are a country that give our state a lot of rights and education is a perfect example we should actually give the states more right to govern their education after all wouldn't the locals of any given state be better enable to regulate our education now do i think public education should be funded yes. But I also think we should have private school vouchers simply put. If public education had competion it would automatically improve and the home schooling probably drop a little. And if we want the "poor" to have a fair shake with the "rich" why not have govt funded private school vouchers.

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Fri, Apr 22, 2011, at 12:51 PM
  • No marshall4ever what is sad is that you seem to think it's ok for there to be bad teachers in homes.

    Do you not think it would be a good thing to have testing for all home school students?

    How about the parents that are teaching do you think they should meet some requirement to be able to home school?

    -- Posted by Gal66 on Fri, Apr 22, 2011, at 1:13 PM
  • Well we continue to speculate. Why? Because at this point in time that is solid as it can be. More on the subject later.

    By the way Amy, I believe I understand why you were limiting your opinions. I know you already believe this, but it is worth saying, no personal offense, nor intentional provocation, was intended toward you.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Apr 22, 2011, at 1:32 PM
  • Yes, it is okay for parents to bad teachers. It is okay for people to be bad parents. It is okay to allow your children to stay up late and eat their dessert first. It is okay for parents to make decisions for their children. It is okay for people to have an opportunity to live without the governments thumb on their throat.

    No it would not be good to mandate testing of homeschool students. Then you simply force homeschoolers to waste valuable education time teaching to the test and getting the same poor results that you get from public schools.

    You asked: "How about the parents that are teaching do you think they should meet some requirement to be able to home school?" Let's take that a step farther - How about the parents that are having kids do you think they should meet some requirement to be able to have children?

    Answer- Of course not.

    Parents who select homeschooler are better educated than the general public. Children who are homeschooled are better educated than their peers. If you want to crusade, go fix your broken schools and then homeschoolers might come back.

    -- Posted by marshall4ever on Fri, Apr 22, 2011, at 2:29 PM
  • No offense taken, Oklahoma. I respect your right to disagree with me as part the tenets of this great country we live in. (Besides, I enjoy invigorating conversation.)

    I do want to add one more thing to my previous comments. Although we homeschooled our children in the early years, both of my two oldest children spent their high school years at Marshall High. I have the highest respect for all of the principals who served in the past six years: Glenn Miller, Nina Boling, Carol Smith and currently Jeff Kramer. They were wonderful educators and leaders for my children. Thank you, Marshall School District!

    -- Posted by Amy Crump on Fri, Apr 22, 2011, at 5:11 PM
  • I heard on the news the other day that someone in the Missouri General Assembly wanted to raise the tax on cigarettes. That is fine with me but I also have a problem with that way of thinking. Why not raise the tax on liquor? You read in the newspaper almost every day where teenager was killed or hurt from a drunk driver or were drinking and driving a vehicle them-selves. I have never read in the newspaper where a teenager was killed from smoking a cigarette but you do hear of some teenager killed from drinking or driving. I wish that someone would take up this and tax all liquor. Cigarettes are not killing our teenager but liquor is killing them. Yes, smoking is bad for your health and will kill you over time but liquor will kill you sooner.

    -- Posted by slatermo on Fri, Apr 22, 2011, at 5:26 PM
  • Isn't it illegal for teens to smoke and drink?

    I do believe there are liquor taxes as well, but secondhand fumes worse for cigs.

    Just sayin'.

    -- Posted by Interested Too on Fri, Apr 22, 2011, at 7:15 PM
  • I think maybe most people do not understand all the ballyhoo around the lottery and how the schools benefit.

    The lottery gives money to the school systems as part of the deal that allowed the lottery to open in the state. The kicker is that the money given by the lottery is NOT IN ADDITION TO what the state kicks in. The state just subtracts the amount derived from the lottery and doles out that money somewhere else.

    Do schools actually benefit from the lottery money. I think not.

    I am sure there is a better way of explaining all this that is more understandable and would someone please help me out here.

    -- Posted by red dog on Fri, Apr 22, 2011, at 7:16 PM
  • Egg-zackly, NanaDot,

    Proof that the parents have some knowledge of handling money and budgets need to be included in prospective parents licensing reqirements.

    -- Posted by upsedaisy on Fri, Apr 22, 2011, at 9:05 PM
  • License parenting????

    Are you two serious???

    The whole point of a free country is that the government doesn't meddle in our affairs. Whatever happened to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness without the government interfering. If the government adds more regulation whats to stop them from acting like China and only allowing 1 child. Or better yet only allow those with a certain income bracket to have children. How about only allowing those with the right thought pattern to have children, shall we say these four years only democrats can have children. Then the next four years when a Republican is in the White House then only Republicans can breed. We could even allow post term abortions perhaps up to the age of usefulness or the age of 21 whichever comes first. You have to be kidding!!! No one is that crazy that they want the government to run their lives for them.

    -- Posted by Mommyto1 on Fri, Apr 22, 2011, at 9:49 PM
  • ND and Upsedaisy,

    Count me in!

    Isn't it odd that some are all for doing away with entitlement programs, but oppose one primary measure which would substantially reduce the need for such programs in the first place.

    -- Posted by Slater on Fri, Apr 22, 2011, at 11:14 PM
  • A tip of the Earth Day hat to Senator Gaylord Nelson D-Wisconsin. There have been many good people who also happened to be good politicians from Wisconsin. It is sad to see that they have fallen into a political abyss. http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Global-News/2011/0422/Earth-Day-How-the-antiwar-m...

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Apr 23, 2011, at 12:33 AM
  • -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Apr 23, 2011, at 1:13 AM
  • Mommyto1: Are YOU serious? You said: "The whole point of a free country is that the government doesn't meddle in our affairs."

    If you are paying Social Security, collecting unemployment, or assume that Medicare will help you out when you're 65, rest assured there is already quite a bit of government "interference" in your life.

    When it comes to protecting children and assuring they receive a reasonably decent education (at a minimum), government interference may be the only way to accomplish that goal.

    I have no objection, per se, to home-schooling. But it has been my experience that not all home-schooled children are well-educated. If Mom and Dad are not good at math, for example, the kids might not be getting all they need in that area. If Mom and Dad aren't lovers of the arts, the kids' education in that area is likely to be slighted. At least in a school setting, the people doing the teaching have been trained how to teach and have had specialized training in their particular subject.

    That doesn't guarantee an ideal education for everyone, but it certainly sets the bar higher than unregulated and random approaches to learning that are often the hallmark of home schooling.

    I'm not suggesting it shouldn't be done - far from it - but I do believe it shouldn't escape some sort of oversight.

    -- Posted by Miss Marple on Sat, Apr 23, 2011, at 6:59 AM
  • Interesting discussion on CNN this morning that made me think of Marshall. They were talking about "neighborhood schools". Comment was made by a guest, and supported by NAACP, that neighborhood schools promote segregation because they reflect the neighborhoods they are located in. In other words, rich kids go to the same school and poor kids go to a different school because they live in a different neighborhood.

    -- Posted by momaster on Sat, Apr 23, 2011, at 9:16 AM
  • momaster: That is precisely why Marshall can't go back to the neighborhood schools they used to have.

    -- Posted by Miss Marple on Sat, Apr 23, 2011, at 11:24 AM
  • or if we go back to neighborhood schools, it won't save a boatload of money on busing. because lots of kids will still need to be carted around to make things balanced. I'm not sure whether that's good or bad but it looks like it is what it is.

    -- Posted by taxedpayer on Sat, Apr 23, 2011, at 11:56 AM
  • Food for thought ND. Thanks.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Apr 23, 2011, at 1:30 PM
  • -- Posted by Slater on Sat, Apr 23, 2011, at 4:34 PM
  • Are you a good Mom Nana?

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sat, Apr 23, 2011, at 5:32 PM
  • It's Sunday, and the mail don't run.

    It's Sunday, and the bills don't come.

    It's Sunday and let's all get together and praise the Lord.

    Happy Easter!

    -- Posted by red dog on Sun, Apr 24, 2011, at 5:35 AM
  • Thanks Red Dog

    God Bless,

    Happy Easter Everyone

    -- Posted by momandgramma on Sun, Apr 24, 2011, at 10:33 AM
  • There is some interesting comment concerning the drive to end tenure for all the Missouri teachers at the MDN on line paper's story on the subject. Either move your cursor, and click on the story, or even easier, just click here. http://www.marshallnews.com/story/1721213.html

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Apr 24, 2011, at 10:56 AM
  • My pick as one of the Beatles' best and one of George Harrison's best:


    -- Posted by Slater on Sun, Apr 24, 2011, at 11:17 PM
  • I wasn't hip to much of the H.I.P.P.I.E. language, like calling guys "brother," but this is one guy I believe I would address in that manner:


    -- Posted by Slater on Sun, Apr 24, 2011, at 11:33 PM
  • Koeller77 here is a chance for you to step up, if you are able. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/04/24/969723/-Kloppenburg-needs-recount-volun...

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Apr 25, 2011, at 12:04 AM
  • OKR- Thanks! I have sent my email in already and hope my crazy schedule allows me to help at least a little bit!

    -- Posted by koeller77 on Mon, Apr 25, 2011, at 11:36 AM
  • Awesome K77, I was glad I had the opportunity to give you a heads up.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Apr 25, 2011, at 12:27 PM
  • Drat! There I go using that over used word awesome. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Apr 25, 2011, at 12:30 PM
  • Philemon,

    You once told me you preferred my posts of links containing historical information to my political commentary (smiling), and, while I was doing some housecleaning, I came across this link to a collection of Civil WAr photos. Each has an identifying caption which appears when clicking on the photo:


    -- Posted by Slater on Mon, Apr 25, 2011, at 1:37 PM
  • What actually surprised you Nana the claim that Obama is Muslim or that all American's are racist.

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Mon, Apr 25, 2011, at 2:40 PM
  • Nice collection Slater. I'll have to check out the entire site later when I have time. On a political note, I think we have actually agreed more often than not of late.

    -- Posted by Philemon on Mon, Apr 25, 2011, at 2:41 PM
  • It looks like our roads are going to be in bad shape again real soon. It is reported the MODOT budget is going to be cut in half next year.

    Did we or did we not vote some kind of dedicated funding recently for MODOT? Help me out here. I am not much of a researcher.

    -- Posted by red dog on Mon, Apr 25, 2011, at 5:30 PM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    You may be thinking about Amendment 3, which was approved by voters on 2004. It diverted more highway user fees to MoDOT's road improvement programs. I've read that the amendment required the agency to use the revenue to finance bonds rather than funding projects on a pay-as-you-go basis. I seem to remember reading that the debt service capacity of Amendment 3 revenue is maxed out and other sources of revenue have been hit hard by the recession. Plus, federal stimulus funding is done. And that's why MoDOT's road improvement funding is about half what it was a year or two ago.


  • MODOT should have considered their upcoming budget woes last year when they issued several million dollars in bonus payments to their managerial staff. The Jeff City Tribune posted a story about these payments.

    If you are a government employee, your salary or hourly wage should be it. Bonus payments should not be at the taxpayers expense. Please note that the flagmen or laborers working in 90+ heat or snowplow drivers working on Christmas did NOT receive a bonus. Even some of the Saline County MODOT managers received a bonus. This is all public information on the MO Accountability Portal. 8)

    -- Posted by SalineVoter on Tue, Apr 26, 2011, at 10:36 AM
  • It is disturbing reading the post by SalineVoter and the web site posted by Eric in response to my inquiry. See if you feel the same way after reading both.

    -- Posted by red dog on Tue, Apr 26, 2011, at 11:44 AM
  • My question is if MoDot is treating the additional funding provided for in the the amendment the same way our representatives and senators are treating the Lottery money for schools? Is it their contention that the extra money provided means they have to allocate less from the general fund and thus, are able to spread the "extra" money around to other entities?

    -- Posted by red dog on Tue, Apr 26, 2011, at 11:48 AM
  • Oh, I almost forgot. Slater, I greatly enjoyed the civil war photographs in the web site you posted. Thank you very much. I wonder if any similar photographs are available depicting the civil war in Missouri.

    -- Posted by red dog on Tue, Apr 26, 2011, at 11:53 AM
  • For those following the progress of local cartoonist Keith Brown in the contest at

    www.thecartooniststudio.com, he informs me his cartoon -- The Wages of Sin! -- has now made it to the 9th round of the 10-round contest. Pretty impressive! Voting continues ...

    -- Posted by Eric Crump on Tue, Apr 26, 2011, at 12:38 PM
  • Nuff to make you howl huh Red Dog? I see what you mean....Grrr!

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Apr 26, 2011, at 1:44 PM
  • Yay!!!!! I'm able to open the MDN site again!!

    Red Dog, I don't know of any sites offering photos strictly of Missouri activity, but here's one with some potential you may have already been in:


    It advertises having somewhere around 80,000 photographs, categorized in some fashion. I'm not able to use it because it doesn't like my accessibility features I need in order to see what I'm looking at.

    I'm pleased that you and Philemon enjoyed the link.

    -- Posted by Slater on Tue, Apr 26, 2011, at 2:26 PM
  • News,

    Here's another Beatles tune having more significance now that I'm there than it did back when it was released:


    -- Posted by Slater on Tue, Apr 26, 2011, at 2:33 PM
  • RIP Charles Robert Hayob. The best Boss a girl ever had. He ran a tight ship and was fair and just. Anything else just does not compare!!

    -- Posted by wheresthelove on Wed, Apr 27, 2011, at 6:27 AM
  • -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Apr 27, 2011, at 9:27 AM
  • The Donald said he would post his income tax returns if President Obama released his birth certificate. I'll believe that one when I see it. LOL

    -- Posted by Interested Too on Wed, Apr 27, 2011, at 10:41 AM
  • OKR - Nah, it's not a birther's nightmare...now they can say that since it "took so long" to be released, it must be forged. Reality is not a place in which those people live, I assure you, so this will not affect them at all!

    -- Posted by koeller77 on Wed, Apr 27, 2011, at 10:51 AM
  • K77 you are probably right. At least now they are free to pursue the same subject with Mitt Romney.

    Can you hear me all you Birthers out there? He has a very similar problem to the birth question that you have so ardently pursued concerning President Obama. I know you all have pursued it in the national interest, and have been stimulated by pure patriotism, and not some spurious things like paranoid delusions, and racism as some of those crazy liberals have charged. So, with Romney's situation, and your assured bull dog like pursuit of the truth, you have the opportunity to prove those crazy liberals wrong.

    Let the e mails fly about Romney. File a law suit in the federal courts, and state petitions in Utah, in Massachusetts, in Michigan, and every where else he has laid his well groomed head. I know you won't disappoint the nation.

    Here is a link to get you started. http://politicalwire.com/archives/2011/04/14/wheres_romneys_birth_certificate.ht...

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Apr 27, 2011, at 11:36 AM
  • A couple of years ago, I provided one of my kids the long form of his live birth. I thought he could use this for his State job application. NO GO. The state does not recognize the long form as proper documentation. He still had to go to whatever office and pay for a copy of his birth certificate.

    To take this a little further, the State of Missouri does not recognize a certificate of live birth as valid certification of one's birth. Using that as a criteria, what does the President's long form prove?

    I say this with a bit of humor. As far as I was concerned the place of our President's birth was done and done. What I am really interested in now is seeing Trump's income tax return.

    -- Posted by red dog on Wed, Apr 27, 2011, at 12:12 PM
  • I noticed our President's mother is from Wichita. An ironic thought comes to mind. What if President Obama decides to build his Presidential Library in Wichita. A Democrat in Wichita. A Republican (Eisenhower) up in Abilene.

    -- Posted by red dog on Wed, Apr 27, 2011, at 12:18 PM
  • @red dog...That's exactly my point, LOL! He already produced the valid certificate and no one believed it, so now he shows them this one. It's not going to change anyone's minds, unfortunately, and he is SO right that we as a country have SO many more things to worry about than THIS!

    But I am looking forward to Trump producing his tax forms. I'd also like a valid explanation for his lack of voting record over the last twenty years...since they make absentee ballots, his "widely traveled and busy business man" excuse doesn't seem to hold a lot of water!

    -- Posted by koeller77 on Wed, Apr 27, 2011, at 1:44 PM
  • John McCain was born in Panama. The Panama Canal Zone to be exact. He never questioned Obama's place of birth.

    -- Posted by mu-grad on Wed, Apr 27, 2011, at 1:57 PM
  • News, I suppose we're only as old as we want to think we are. My brain is still engaged in Early Adult Mode, but no one would ever know that just by looking at me. HA!

    -- Posted by Slater on Wed, Apr 27, 2011, at 2:28 PM
  • Bullseye, ND! :)

    -- Posted by Slater on Wed, Apr 27, 2011, at 3:19 PM
  • Actually, McCain's citizenship DID come up, and more than a few times.

    He was born to the legally married spouse of a serviceman who was on duty on Panama. This has been enough for citizenship to literally thousands of Americans.

    In Obama's case, the entire scenario is spurious, as in actuality, you really only need to be the child of an American citizen to be declared a U. S. citizen. That's why this entire procedure was so pointless. Nowhere in the Constitution does it state that an American needs to be born on American soil to be an American. I challenge anyone to disprove that comment.

    I agree with the President; let's move on and deal with oil subsidies, a fair tax system for all, and lowering the deficit in a manner that won't impact our already shaky international economic standing. While he's at it, he can work on getting us out of the wars, removing some of our bases around the world, and work on securing our borders. I hope that the opposition will work with him on this and that both sides will discontinue 'politics for the sake of politics'.

    -- Posted by Interested Too on Wed, Apr 27, 2011, at 3:49 PM
  • Quote of the day (unfortunately I can't remember the source): "You cannot reason people out of that which they have not been reasoned IN to!"

    -- Posted by koeller77 on Wed, Apr 27, 2011, at 6:00 PM
  • "No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President".

    Guess it all boils down to the definition of natural born.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Apr 27, 2011, at 6:14 PM
  • OK everyone that needs to be hand fed this stuff...please read this, and feel free to check the source..

    Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in the gaps left by the Constitution. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"

    *Anyone born inside the United States *

    *Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe

    *Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.

    *Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national

    *Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year

    *Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21

    *Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)

    *A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.

    * There is an exception in the law -- the person must be "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States. This would exempt the child of a diplomat, for example, from this provision.

    Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President. These provisions allow the children of military families to be considered natural-born, for example.

    -- Posted by Interested Too on Wed, Apr 27, 2011, at 6:50 PM
  • I am glad Pres. Obama has proven his right to mess up the country. Now on to something I have been wondering Pres. Obama is on record as saying he is a poor student if that is the case how did he get into Columbia and Harvard these Ivy schools have tough entrance requirements.

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Wed, Apr 27, 2011, at 7:54 PM
  • I guess he just wasn't doing as much Coke as W. was.

    I read the same remark off Faux News. I hope you look other places as well.

    -- Posted by Interested Too on Wed, Apr 27, 2011, at 8:33 PM
  • http://bltwy.msnbc.msn.com/politics/donald-trumps-new-obama-conspiracy-theory-16...

    Obama produced! So now what is Trump harassing him about....read the article above. It's now about his education, as Jason1969 just mentioned. This is such ridculous B.S.!

    Nana Dot, once again, hit the nail on the head. If he were white, there would not be ANY questions asked.

    -- Posted by nouveaublogger on Wed, Apr 27, 2011, at 10:00 PM
  • Jason1969 if you are now wondering how Obama, an intelligent human, got into Harvard, and Columbia, you must be absolutely bursting with curiousity as to how in the world George W. Bush, a not so intelligent human, not only got into Yale but graduated. I guess I missed where you asked that question. Heck you might as well do it again, right here on this blog.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Apr 28, 2011, at 12:32 AM
  • I heard a great comment on the whole birther issue and thought I'd share it.

    When the media continues to give coverage to the birthers, it's giving them more attention. It's like having a daily update from the people who say the moon landing was fake.

    -- Posted by Amy Crump on Thu, Apr 28, 2011, at 6:48 AM
  • Does anyone know why charges were not filed in the accidental shooting... from what the story said the man was under the influence and that is a crime.

    Would just like to know why.


    -- Posted by Jessa on Thu, Apr 28, 2011, at 4:07 PM
  • Does Donald Trump really know how stupid he sounds?? Now it is the Presidents grades, IF that turns out fine, what will be next, the brand of underware he has on???

    iT'S plain Trump does not like the President and one of these days he is going to go to far, and get it all back, I believe in karma, he WILL get his.

    -- Posted by buttons on Thu, Apr 28, 2011, at 5:21 PM
  • Jessa,

    Great point!

    Yet I'm little more so concerned shooting out the window of the home ? who or even why would anyone shoot out the window of a home?

    And mix with alcohol .... hope no children was in this home ( or up )

    -- Posted by momandgramma on Thu, Apr 28, 2011, at 6:17 PM
  • I'm not a big Trump fan news but what exactly did he say that was racist. According to this reporter he interpreted it as racism. Looks to be a blatant attempt to discredit him, I don't think he needs any help. My opinion give someone enough rope and they will hang theirself without our help. You liberals want to eliminate racism but you keep bringing it up. So news I have to ask are you racist? There are those on here that claim that I am.

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, Apr 28, 2011, at 10:03 PM
  • Lest we forget the first, and longest running (ten years) of the three wars we are fighting, nine more were killed in Afghanistan. This time by an allegedly friendly Afghan air force member.

    More, and more Americans believe we should get out now. More, and more Afghans believe we should get out now. When will our own government recognize this rising tide? When may we bring our people home from the war that is going no where? http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/04/27/afghanistan.violence/index.html?hpt=...

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Apr 28, 2011, at 11:42 PM
  • Eric,

    I have been trying to find more information on the pet idol contest and haven't seen anything about it. can you give me the link to it? thanks

    -- Posted by mtshell08 on Fri, Apr 29, 2011, at 2:43 AM
  • Heard the joke about a social studies teacher trying to explain "natural born citizen" to a high school class when an outraged student declared prejudice against those born by caesarian section?

    The term "natural born citizen" likely had specific legal meaning at the time it was written in the Constitution with case law piled on top. Through time there have been changes in laws defining citizenship, but we'd probably have to use the 18th century meaning to understand presidential qualification. Remember, John McCain was not born in the USA. McCain released his birth information promptly and didn't act as though he had something to hide.

    -- Posted by former editor on Fri, Apr 29, 2011, at 7:01 AM
  • To correct one item in previous post: McCain showed a birth certificate to a reporter. Others obtained copies elsewhere. Other presidential candidates and at least one president had citizenship qualification challenged or questioned.

    -- Posted by former editor on Fri, Apr 29, 2011, at 7:25 AM
  • Former Editor

    Here is a posting for you on the challenges that have occurred like Obama's citizenship. The only one similar was Chester Arthur running for vice president who was not considered a natural born citizen do to his father not being a citizen at the time of his birth even though he was born in the US. Thought maybe this would clear things up some.


    -- Posted by Mommyto1 on Fri, Apr 29, 2011, at 8:26 AM
  • The short form would have been fine, if it wasn't faked. The long form versino posted on the White House website has been manipulated in photoshop.



    -- Posted by marshall4ever on Fri, Apr 29, 2011, at 9:31 AM
  • Eric,

    Can you please tell us why no charges were filed in the shooting? I know many feel it is an "accident" but I don't feel it is any different than getting behind the wheel under the influence. And this 'accident" may not have happened if alcohol was not involved.


    -- Posted by Jessa on Fri, Apr 29, 2011, at 12:43 PM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    I'm afraid I can't. The decision whether evidence indicates a crime has been committed and whether to file charges rests with the prosecuting attorney. In my experience, PAs don't often comment about why they haven't filed charges in a specific case, and partly it's because just because they haven't doesn't mean they won't. The ball is in the PA's court. But if charges are filed, we'll report that.
  • Marshall4ever,

    I'm glad you were standing next to the person "manipulating" Obama's long form birth certificate and can now make your unequivocal statement.

    We'd be better off to believe none of what we read and only half of what we see, especially in this day and age.

    The business of politics and attitude in America becomes more idiotic every day.

    -- Posted by Slater on Fri, Apr 29, 2011, at 1:35 PM
  • Marshall4ever I know that what it says you said below has been manipulated by someone. I am scratching my head as to what you really think about the issue. I guess I will never know because I am suspicious that whatever it says you say on this blog is likely not what you really said. Therefore don't bother to reply to my post. It is fruitless.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Apr 29, 2011, at 2:29 PM
  • OKR- I think it took me 5x thru that to figure it out, LOL...they've been manipulating your posts, too!

    -- Posted by koeller77 on Fri, Apr 29, 2011, at 2:46 PM
  • -- Posted by CWilli on Fri, Apr 29, 2011, at 3:46 PM
  • Hurrah for Governor Nixon! Could be that there is a touch of the real Democrat tradition in him.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Apr 29, 2011, at 4:25 PM
  • Why all the politcal comments on this blog. I think there is a politcal bolg so please use it.

    -- Posted by sheepdip on Fri, Apr 29, 2011, at 7:03 PM
  • How many watched THE WEDDING today?

    I'm a great fan of that pomp and ceremony! We had the BBC America channel on through two or three reruns of it. :)

    -- Posted by Slater on Fri, Apr 29, 2011, at 10:44 PM
  • Sheep Dip I have not seem your name much on this blog whether during one of the sporadic out bursts of politics, or when there is no politics at all. I conclude that you have not been crowded out, instead you just don't post often.

    One question, is it politicking when you campaign for no politics on the blog?

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Apr 30, 2011, at 12:05 AM
  • Hey Slater -

    My 7yo daughter and I got up and watched it...we wore tiaras, made homemade scones, and had non-alcoholic mimosas in champagne glasses! It was a BLAST and I'm so glad she has that memory!

    -- Posted by koeller77 on Sat, Apr 30, 2011, at 10:20 AM
  • I really have to give a big THANK YOU to the Mid-Day Optimist Club and the Rector family for yet another successful and fun-filled Kid's Fishing Tournament! I just can't express how wonderful this event (completely FREE to the public) is. Not only did the Rector family generously donate the use of their beautiful lake, but also their huge garage for the kids and parents to eat hot dogs, chips, cookies and enjoy soda provided by the Optimist Club (again all FREE). Plus there were poles and bait provided. Five of my seven grandchildren and my three year old son were there and we had a ball. We couldn't have asked for a more beautiful day. Perfect weather, great family outing! I absolutely love to see that this small community is finding ways to provide fun opportunities for families to spend time together, for no cost in this trying economy. Thank you, thank you, thank you so much!!

    -- Posted by SawyersMommy on Sat, Apr 30, 2011, at 2:10 PM
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