Speak Out February 20, 2009 to April 7, 2009

Friday, February 20, 2009

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  • NanaDot good to hear from you.

    The gun registration bill was not authored by the party you mentioned, but it well could have been. As you inferred it would at least bring back a defacto possee comitatus.

    Actually I think the author of the bill erred because his focus was too narrow. I think it is likely that he was concerned about urban gun crime, and did not consider the effect on the rest of the nation of his proposed answer to the urban problem. I hope so.

    Or, was your comment essentially grim humor? I hope not. I have a grim humor streak in me, and to this day I am not sure it is healthy. On the other hand I sometimes think it is a by product of nearly unbearable cognizance, a salve for a wound that never heals.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Feb 21, 2009, at 1:17 AM
  • Go Chiefs: criticism accepted, and I will remain mindful of your comments.

    However, I can not assume that other readers of my posts will agree with me (as you profess to) seventy five percent of the time based on the postulation. Quite reasonably (I believe) I wish to persuade as many readers as possible to accept my point of view. I remain convinced that my postulation must be supported by what I believe to be pertinent information.

    Therefore, my posts will likely remain too long for your taste. I suggest you read the postulation, then in good humor, skip the rest of the message, hopeful, as I shall be, that the remaining mess will bring others to join us in our conviction seventy five percent of the time.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Feb 21, 2009, at 2:07 AM
  • All I can say in retort is that if it were not for those of us who postulate, there are others who post that would seldom have anything to say.

    It is an easy thing to take a pot shot at another writers form, or a word in their post. It is curious that those who engage in that behaviour seldom have the energy, or the inclination to respond to the content of a post in any meaningful way. Their negativity is essentially pointless.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Feb 22, 2009, at 11:25 PM
  • Does anyone not eat certain foods because of what they're named?

    I'm that way. For example, I don't eat eggplant, zucchini (sp), blood pudding, rhubarb, to name a few. Some or perhaps all of these could have a very pleasant taste, but I'll never know.

    We humans have some most interesting peculiarities.:)

    -- Posted by Slater on Sun, Feb 22, 2009, at 11:47 PM
  • I'm a big believer in trying to expand my vocabulary. I'm not fond of the new "text spelling" that is common with many people. My neice when she was in high school did not like my use of "large words" she always would stop in frustration and ask me what I ment. Now a few years have passed and I see a large improvement in her language. Walk the talk!

    This love of language was passed on to me by my paternal grandmother. Thanks, Granny!

    -- Posted by salinemg on Mon, Feb 23, 2009, at 1:40 PM
  • Notgvnascat: I was probably a bit hard on you because I was irked that you had no comment about my post excepting your distaste for a word I had used, and that you had not absorbed the context.

    I used "that word" (don't worry you don't have to see it again) because Go Chiefs had stated he didn't like my rhetoric. The p------tion is the initial statement in rhetorical form. Therefore I believe it was pertinent to the specific subject he had broached, "rhetoric".

    I will stop now in order to not irritate Go Chiefs who in assuming the right to edit me does not want me to add supporting argument to my postu....oops, declarative statement, nor you in your assumed editorial cloak out of fear that I may utilize a word that you find so irritating that you are compelled to comment on it, and chastise me for using the word. I am off now to contemplate whether I ever dare comment again in the face of such imposing editors.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Feb 23, 2009, at 2:40 PM
  • Following up on a long post of mine about two months ago. There is a great new article out about why/how "Evolution hates diets" in Popular Science. http://www.popsci.com/category/tags/fat-pill

    -- Posted by AF Brat on Mon, Feb 23, 2009, at 3:17 PM
  • What bout the wreck over by the trailer park last friday. Or an Officer on a foot case with a convict Sunday. Marshall Demo you all need a scanner! LOL

    -- Posted by RedTruckRider on Mon, Feb 23, 2009, at 4:15 PM
  • RedTruckRider,

    I've got a great idea! Why don't you try hiring enough people to cover each and every story/activity that comes up anytime in each and every 24 hour period! Good luck with that.

    -- Posted by hat full of sky on Mon, Feb 23, 2009, at 5:21 PM
  • I wonder why we have to listen to the same complaints about the job being done by the staff of the newspaper? Last time I checked, the people who worked there are allowed to have a life outside the office. If you want continuous coverage, move to a big city with a huge newspaper staff!

    -- Posted by hat full of sky on Mon, Feb 23, 2009, at 5:23 PM
  • I think the point, hat full of sky, is that the MDN used to provide information/news that it just doesn't provide anymore. Having grown up reading the MDN, I can tell you, the news reporting has changed. As it has been pointed out by MDN staff, you can't please everyone. I accept that. I also cancelled my subscription.

    -- Posted by born-n-raised on Mon, Feb 23, 2009, at 6:26 PM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    What would you like to see in the paper that currently is missing?
  • So you cancelled your subscription but you come to the website and hang out to add to the complaints?

    All I'm saying is that typically, those who are complaining are not capable (or can't be bothered) to do the amount of work that is done by those they are complaining about.

    The newspaper coverage is phenomenal when you consider the number of staff who do the huge amount of work.

    -- Posted by hat full of sky on Mon, Feb 23, 2009, at 9:40 PM
  • When you think about it, the thing that has changed the most is the expectations set up by the instant nature of television and the internet. (I enjoy both greatly, by the way.) But using them sets up the demand for instant gratification and coverage at any time of the day or night.

    A small town newspaper can't do that! That's what gets my dander up when people start griping about how something that happened on a Friday night or on a weekend wasn't instantly covered by newspaper staff who do have families and farms and other places that need their attention. (By the way, they do cover events that occur on weekends but that's for the scheduled events, like sports or concerts, etc. and that already cuts into their weekends.)

    That unrealistic expectation of what can be accomplished is the problem.

    -- Posted by hat full of sky on Mon, Feb 23, 2009, at 9:45 PM
  • I wasn't complaining, hat full of sky; I was simply reporting a fact, which is something MDN is "ethically" unwilling to do anymore in certain instances. As I stated before, I accept that. I still enjoy the human interest stories MDN provides, but I get my news elsewhere.

    -- Posted by born-n-raised on Tue, Feb 24, 2009, at 7:26 AM

    PBS, 10:00 P.M. Central

    At America's oldest Mardi Gras - celebrated each year in Mobile, Alabama -- events remain segregated between white and black residents.This program looks beneath the surface of pageantry and reveals a complex story about race relations and the ever-present racial divide that persists in America.

    -- Posted by Slater on Tue, Feb 24, 2009, at 9:52 AM
  • How about the police report? Which seems to a satple in most small town papers

    -- Posted by GOCHIEFS on Tue, Feb 24, 2009, at 10:07 AM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    Will do. I'm not sure why the paper stopped running daily police briefs. My first job as a reporter many moons ago was to collect and write up that information. We'll get it going again.
  • LOL forgot to spell check. "staple" was what i intended

    -- Posted by GOCHIEFS on Tue, Feb 24, 2009, at 10:08 AM
  • I find your comment about MDN being "ethically" unwilling (to do what your bidding) to be extremely offensive. Why would you use that term in a conversation about preferences for newspaper coverage? I'm sure the MDN staff doesn't appreciate all their hard work being called unethical.

    -- Posted by hat full of sky on Tue, Feb 24, 2009, at 10:25 AM
  • I suggest that anyone who wants to make a complaint about the newspaper actually have some background in the newspaper business. These armchair quarterbacks can spend their time more wisely by getting a journalism degree rather than griping about things they don't understand.

    -- Posted by hat full of sky on Tue, Feb 24, 2009, at 10:28 AM
  • That reply about ethics was directed at born-and-raised and had a typo. The parens should have read (to do your bidding).

    -- Posted by hat full of sky on Tue, Feb 24, 2009, at 10:30 AM
  • WOW, hat full of sky, you really misinterpreted my statement. I never said that MDN's "hard work is unethical." If anything, I was complaining that they are taking too ethical a stance in certain circumstances. I do apologize if I offended.

    -- Posted by born-n-raised on Tue, Feb 24, 2009, at 11:41 AM
  • Historically, newspapers everywhere have been mostly left-leaning or mostly right-leaning - one or the other.

    I believe the penchant for taking a viewpoint and sticking with it - corporately - can be seen throughout the history of publishing.

    Hence names like "The Democrat" or "The Republican" or "The Union" and so forth.

    Many times, however, things change within a newspaper's editorial "bent" without an obvious change in the name. A few years ago many people complained that the Democrat-News seemd to have taken a more conservative stance on many issues. Now, many may complain that it is leaning back to the left a bit more than is comfortable for them.

    I think many editorial departments feel they should speak for the entity they represent to the world - i.e. - if the owners and or shareholders wish to see a certain stance from the editorial department, that's the way it should be.

    On the other hand, there needs to be a bit of freedom to allow the editorial department to do what they have been hired to do - edit the newspaper and put forth editorial "opinion" when it is called for.

    As for covering all the news all the time in a split second's notice - it has never been done and will never be done in a small town daily or weekly venue. But the MDN comes awful close.

    Keep up the good work!


    -- Posted by circuitrider on Tue, Feb 24, 2009, at 12:33 PM
  • born-and-raised,

    I apologize. I did misinterpret your post.

    -- Posted by hat full of sky on Tue, Feb 24, 2009, at 12:44 PM
  • If your "handle" is "notgvnasht " why do you allow yourself to be irritated? Most of the time, you have interesting comments that overcome my irritation at your "handle". This post does not sound like your usual line of thought.

    At the risk of being thought of as "holier than thou" I'd like to suggest you run your comment through Spell Check before you post. For example, " the say words like that. It is the type of writting, that they warn in college, NOT to use, simply because it is boring, and makes reader hate you."


    -- Posted by upsedaisy on Tue, Feb 24, 2009, at 5:18 PM
  • Cheetah, I think I could see myself trying the zuc bread, but I had a bite of rhubarb pie once upon a time, and that was enough.

    It occurred many years ago when I stopped in a little cafe for lunch and decided to have a slice of cherry pie for dessert. Well, evidently the woman grabbed without looking, and when I started to take that first bite I thought it looked a mite different for cherry pie, but I stuffed it in anyway. Minding my manners, I chewed and swallowed it, but that was it for me. :)

    -- Posted by Slater on Tue, Feb 24, 2009, at 8:14 PM
  • Slater: I'm with you on the rhubarb. Had a similar experience in a cafeteria when I was in my early teens, mistaking rhubarb for strawberry. Bleagh!! Everyone else can have my share.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Tue, Feb 24, 2009, at 8:43 PM
  • I completely forgot about Obama's address to the Congress this evening, and I'm interested to know anyone's reaction to what Bobby Jindall had to say on behalf of the GOP.

    I don't know much about him beyond his being the governor of Louisiana. When my son was stationed in New Orleans with the Coast Guard, he became a supporter when Jindall ran for some state office, as I recall. He's a pretty popular figure over there, and maybe with ranking members of the Republican party as well.

    -- Posted by Slater on Tue, Feb 24, 2009, at 9:38 PM
  • Slater in essence he repeated the same old party line. "Don't look to the federal government to bail us out." Curiously, he used the failure of the federal government to provide after the New Orleans calamity as an example. To me that was a blunder. That federal failure was a failure of the Republican Administration, and does not support the contention that all forms of federal government assistance would have failed.

    He also took the position that tax cuts are the primary solution, that only by putting more money directly in the hands of the people can things get better. Tell that to people who are out of work.

    David Brooks, the conservative commentator on PBS thought it was a diastrous speech, and said so with dismay in his facial expression.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Feb 25, 2009, at 12:12 AM
  • I didn't see the Jindall response, but I didn't hear anything new in the Obama speech. I like the transparency position to allow us to see where the money is being spent, but really, who thinks that will actually work? You are leaving it up to politicians to be honest about where the money went. There will also most likely be a distinct delay from the spending of the money to the posting on the website for us to see where it went. Other than that, I didn't really hear Obama say anything new just his same change and recovery speech. I might have missed something while feeding my son, but for the most part I only hear talk about change and no real plan as of yet on how to accomplish change. Although I must say he seemed to mention several new committees that he has formed to come up with ideas, I for one can't wait to see what these committees come up with.

    -- Posted by cjay on Wed, Feb 25, 2009, at 12:23 AM
  • I have been contemplating whether or not I truly should shorten my posts, and in general use fewer words.

    I was reminded of the fellow who closed a long letter to a friend with the statement "I am sorry this letter is so long, I did not have time to make it shorter".

    Then I recalled the story about Ernest Hemingway who was either challenged in a bar bet, or a fiction contest to write a novel in six words. He answered the challenge by writing the following "novel". For sale: baby shoes, never worn.

    I then tried it myself: Utility cutoff, help denied, winter vacancy. Far, far, from Hemingway's masterful answer to his challenge, but nevertheless a good mental exercise.

    Now, my challenge to those of you have challenged me to shorten my posts is for you to write a novel, as Hemingway did, in six words. I also invite all you creative types to play the game.

    Oh, one more: Life recalled, crib recalled, community appalled.


    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Feb 25, 2009, at 1:09 AM
  • OK Reader: I'm stealing this one from the winner of the Poynter Institute's contest to write an autobiography in six words: "Not quite what I had planned."

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Wed, Feb 25, 2009, at 6:52 AM
  • How about this one, I call it "Life in a Newspaper":

    "Announcements: birth, engagement, marriage, anniversary, obituary."

    -- Posted by "When the Music Plays..." on Wed, Feb 25, 2009, at 8:44 AM
  • Is it appropriate to allow people who have not paid their taxes to file for city council? I'm pretty sure this is happening in Sweet Springs I was just wondering if this is common practice in any other towns in Saline county?

    -- Posted by questioningstuff on Wed, Feb 25, 2009, at 12:23 PM
  • To When the Music -

    Loved your "novel" idea. Life in the Newspaper.

    Even better when you condider the poor folks who usually have to sit and decipher the notices every day just to get them in the paper.

    Ususally the same person enters the birth announcements, engagement announcements, wedding announcements, anniversary announcements, and obits.

    What drudgery - I would imagine - especially when you get a wedding announcement that is suped up for extra drama and pizazz!


    -- Posted by circuitrider on Wed, Feb 25, 2009, at 1:52 PM
  • Another re Kathy Fairchild's post: I did not plan and am now paying for it 68 years later. Kids, plan, plan, plan for your future or there won't be one that you enjoy.

    Listening in

    -- Posted by Listening In on Wed, Feb 25, 2009, at 3:40 PM
  • Is any one happy about the names of the roads that were given to our county roads for the 911 system. We specifically requested our road be given a certain name instead it is named something totally different. There is only our family on this road and it has been that way in over 100 years. When we called we were told there was no changing it now.

    Does anyone else feel that we who live here should decide?

    -- Posted by litlmissme on Wed, Feb 25, 2009, at 4:01 PM
  • questioningstuff: Check city ordinances for information on qualifications for filing for city office. If "pays taxes on time" isn't listed as a requirement, I'd assume it's okay to run for office.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Wed, Feb 25, 2009, at 4:25 PM
  • You have a majority on the 911 board that does only what they want, and the public has no say, the ones who won't listen, need to be replced, most of them are puppets anyway for the conty commssion.

    -- Posted by saline on Wed, Feb 25, 2009, at 4:31 PM
  • Those of you wanting news instantly should sign up for the Demo News text service, and it's free. The unfortunate accident Monday was released instantly. I followed the story on the Web site which was updated frequently.

    -- Posted by Muffin on Wed, Feb 25, 2009, at 4:36 PM
  • Thank you Kathy!

    -- Posted by questioningstuff on Wed, Feb 25, 2009, at 5:54 PM
  • I can feel your pain about the 911 address issue. I live in Waverly and the *cough cough* City board (where they get the idea this village is a city amazes me)renamed a bunch of streets. All of a sudden BOOM it's done and when I asked different CITY employees why the need for the change???? uhhhhhhh it's because of 911, yeah that's it! When I didn't buy that excuse, it was uhhhhhhhhhh because of GPS! Holy crap...never did get a straight answer but there is specualation that the Mayor wanted the streets to be named after apples. Now this happened over a year ago and I still have to explain to everyone why my phone number doesn't belong to the person that now lives on my OLD street name. But hey! I'm not bitter...MUCH

    -- Posted by alwayzmovin on Wed, Feb 25, 2009, at 6:14 PM
  • I don't reside in or near Marshall, so I have no connection with the 911 business in progrress there, but I AM intrigued by the conversation re the renaming of streets/roads. Does anyone know why it's happening?

    We have a countywide 911 service here in San Antonio and no streets or roads were renamed when it was implemented.

    Obviously someone believes it's necessary, but the why of it certainly is puzzling to me.

    -- Posted by Slater on Wed, Feb 25, 2009, at 8:02 PM
  • CJAY, thanks for the report on Obama's address. I'm not at all surprised that he's talking about the same issues, since he's looking into the future for much of the change he hopes to effect. I believe many of the politicians on both sides who oppose his effort do so because they're either unwilling or unable to see the same distance ahead.

    Some days, when I'm reading the speculative newspaper columns written by dopey people who have no more understanding of economics than the average citizen, I think about the old movie, Mr. Smith Goes to Washington, and I see how similar Obama's situation is to that Jimmy Stewart character, and I think about all of those up there and around the country who want to see him fail. The welfare of the country doesn't matter to those people, they're just hoping they can say I told you so, as our country sinks into oblivion.

    OKR, thanks for the synopsis of Jindal. He seems to have trouble thinking for himself, and when he tries, he ends up making himself look foolish.

    As for your posts, I see no reason why you should compromise your thoughts by reducing the content. I can only say to those who complain about their length, if that's bothersome, don't read them. I attribute that kind of criticism to someone having a short attention span.

    Okay, I'm off to see how MU is faring against K-State.

    -- Posted by Slater on Wed, Feb 25, 2009, at 8:22 PM
  • Would someone tell me about the progress on the Nicholas-Beazley air museum? I've probably missed seeing reports, but it's been a long time since I last read anything about it.

    -- Posted by Slater on Wed, Feb 25, 2009, at 11:14 PM
  • Thanks for the vote of confidence Slater.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Feb 25, 2009, at 11:48 PM
  • I wish many of the people who post comments here would send them to the Editor for the paper so that they would be posted in print. The Letters To The Editor have become almost nonexistent and I wonder if it is because the internet is the conversation place now.

    Many people don't know what is being talked about or is of interest to those in the community if they are "blogged" only. Hopefully some of you will write to the editor and let your voice be heard in print so the many people who read the newspaper can also hear your voices.


    -- Posted by cjcb on Thu, Feb 26, 2009, at 10:14 AM
  • Slater

    This is my understanding of the new 911 address changes. Most bigger towns like Marshall, or Slater, the street addresses won't change because residences are easily found by emergency services. If your address is 123 Arrow Street, or 123 Broadway, an ambulance can pretty easily be dispatched to the correct house and arrive quickly. A few addresses might change within the larger towns to make them easier to find, but most of those should stay the same. However, in some small towns, such as Malta Bend, many of the addresses in town are Route 1. So if an ambulance is sent to Route 1, Malta Bend the residence could be in town or it could be in a rural area, depending on the box number. In some really small towns like Grand Pass there are only a cluster of post boxes in a central location in the town - none of the houses have an actual mailbox at their house, so they have no street address. Thus, some small towns will be getting actual street addresses such as 123 Lunbeck Street or 456 McReynolds Street to make them easier to find by emergency services. The same is pretty much true for country addresses. Right now country addresses are Rural Route numbers with Box numbers. Each larger town and some smaller towns have several Rural Route numbers. For example Marshall has a Route 1, and so does Slater, Malta Bend, etc. So if a dispatcher only catches the address as Route 1, Box 123 before the person calling looses phone connection the address needing a fire truck could be just about anywhere within one of the several Route 1s in the county - thus, it would make it hard for emergency services to be quickly dispatched to the correct location. Plus once the emergency responders are in the area of the right Route number, then they have to find the Box number of the correct residence. This could be very difficult as some rural mailboxes are located some distance from the actual residence. You can imagine how hard this would be for an ambulance to get to the correct place in a timely manner with the current kinds of addresses. However, if a rural residence is located at 123 Dusty Rock Road the ambulance can be dispatched to the exact location of that address, just as it would to an exact address within a city limit. Therefore, they can respond faster because they are not wasting time trying to find the residence they've been dispatched to. Thus, that is why some small towns and most rural addresses are changing. Hope this helps to answer your question about the 911 address changes here in Saline County.

    -- Posted by Typesetter on Thu, Feb 26, 2009, at 11:58 AM
  • Typesetter, thanks for the explanation, which makes perfect sense. I realize now that I was being one-track in my thinking. For some strange reason I had it in my head that postal service was being affected by these name changes, when in fact that is not the case. :)

    -- Posted by Slater on Thu, Feb 26, 2009, at 12:18 PM
  • Slater,

    The postal service will be affected some, but mostly just the rural carriers. Rural addresses will no longer be Rural Routes with Box Numbers, they will be an actual address; which may make things easier for the postal carriers too once the change over happens. I know it will be easier for the UPS delivery person who has to deliver a package in to a country address and may not be familiar with the area.

    -- Posted by Typesetter on Thu, Feb 26, 2009, at 1:10 PM
  • AHHHHH... so now I see why some people are put out by this change.

    Another example of how humans have become more and more dependent on machines to do their thinking for them. The computer age has us by the lobes.

    -- Posted by Slater on Thu, Feb 26, 2009, at 3:10 PM
  • As a "rural" citizen, I can see both sides of this coin. I'm annoyed that my address is going to change because it will be a hassle notifying everyone of the change. On the other hand, I'm grateful that my house will be easier to find in the event of an emergency. The inconvenience is worth it.

    -- Posted by born-n-raised on Thu, Feb 26, 2009, at 3:47 PM
  • My only objection is that some roads have been known as a certain name for many years, why would it have hurt to have left the name the same instead of naming it after an animal or flower?

    I do appriciate what the overall outcome will provide but it's like there was no reguard for the property owners opinion.

    It's to me just like signing the stimulus package with no reguard to what the people of this country wanted.

    -- Posted by litlmissme on Thu, Feb 26, 2009, at 4:05 PM
  • About those county road names...

    Here is a story from September 2007 (and it's not the first one nor was it the only one we ran) about how this would be done:


    The story notes "Following its next meeting the commission plans to begin a series of informational meetings at various locations around the county to allow public questions and suggestions about the new addressing scheme."

    The meetings were held, but were not very well attended.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Thu, Feb 26, 2009, at 7:29 PM
  • I recall seeing the meetings advertised. There were numerous opportunities to discuss the changes of names of county roads. If you're the one waiting for an ambulance, fire engine, or for the sheriff to arrive, you'll be thankful they can find you. Did you ever try to locate someone by their route number? Not easy!!!

    -- Posted by oneofmany on Thu, Feb 26, 2009, at 9:05 PM
  • [Jane Bevan of Geocomm explained that in the new system road numbering would begin at 100 in the southwest corner of the county and increase by 10 numbers each mile.

    Roads running north-south will have names rather than numbers and would also begin in the southwest corner of the county with names beginning with the letter "A" and progressing alphabetically one letter each mile.

    Addresses will be five-digit numbers beginning with 10,000 at the southwest corner.]

    So, numbering the east-west roads would begin with 10 and increase by 10 (10-20, etc.) for each mile north of the starting point? What happens if there are multiple east-west roads between the mileposts? Would the nuber scheme for the second road begin with 11? What will be the result if a particular block were to be developed for residential use, and the mile ends up with 25 streets intersecting with Road Alpha or Road 10000?

    If there are multiple north-south roads between mileposts 1 and 2, for example, will each one have a name beginning with the letter A?

    What happens in the case of a road beginning in a north-south direction but after a few hundred yards it turns east or west for its duration?

    Heh heh...I can just imagine the outcome for someone a WEE bit tipsy trying to get home.

    -- Posted by Slater on Thu, Feb 26, 2009, at 9:10 PM
  • MidMoCat, this one's for you:


    ...and for anyone who ends up driving and driving on that county road, doing your best to remember your new address, this one is for you:



    -- Posted by Slater on Thu, Feb 26, 2009, at 11:05 PM
  • The more I study the plan to rescue our economy, and what economists have to say about it, the more I believe that it is not too much, but not enough.

    I believe that before another six months has elapsed that there will be a necessary suspension of the federal tax on payrolls.

    Here is one economist's take on the situation.


    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Feb 27, 2009, at 12:39 AM
  • What is the deal with gas going from $1.63 to $1.89 a gallon overnight??!! When I passed Wal-Mart this morning the price was $1.89. Luckily when I turned onto College Street Breaktime still had $1.63 so I whipped in and filled up. Caseys has $1.79 this morning. Even when gas was really high it went up maybe .10 or .12 cents at a time, but not .16 or .26 cents!! Some might say I should be glad that it's not $3.00 a gallon but it seems it's headed back in that direction, which it shouldn't be because the price of a barrel of oil is low. WTF??

    -- Posted by Typesetter on Fri, Feb 27, 2009, at 9:11 AM
  • I drove through the junction this morning and the price of gas was $1.59 compared to $1.89 at Murphys. I have NEVER seen the junction's price be .30 cents less than anywhere in town.

    -- Posted by speedfingers on Fri, Feb 27, 2009, at 9:52 AM
  • OKR, I like the way that James Galbraith thinks about the various elements of the economy, except for his view of the Obama administration's effort thus far.

    The major problem I've seen so far is that there's no consensus among the so-called brains of economic practice. One says the recovery bill doesn't do enough, and the next one says it's too much, and on it goes.

    One important key that can be easily overlooked is that the plan is not set in stone. What are seen today as the imperatives doesn't mean there's no redoing the plan as modification becomes necessary, and this to me is the common failing among the brains. All of them talk like this current effort is it, when in fact Obama has stated on numerous occasions that there's no guarantee this plan will succeed in the way it's intended.

    I totally agree with Galbraith's assessment that some banks should be put into receivership and the monkey managers sent packing, or escorted to those jail cells with the Sweet Gum fruit-stuffed mattresses. The monetary side of our nation cannot and should not agree to make good all the bad paper these banks have generated. I believe it's way past the time when lenders should be adopting a conservative policy, maybe much like what was in place 50-60 years ago. We've tried Reagan's free market economy, mortgaging our future to the hilt, and that got us to where we are today. It's time to turn back the clock on certain activities.

    While I clearly understand Obama's optimistic stance, anyone who believes he's not seeing the big picture is guilty of that very thing. The public needs to know in straightforward and honest terms what the conditions are, and they don't want to see the president wringing his hands and doing nothing. I prefer thinking that the glass is half full rather than half empty.

    The people need to accept the fact that the economy is in dire straits and stop acting like it's a minor inconvenience.

    -- Posted by Slater on Fri, Feb 27, 2009, at 11:04 AM
  • I have been watching gas prices for some time now. Seems like they often manage to be higher on the weekends. No way to prove it but a lot of people get paid on friday and fill up their tanks.....(I am going to start filling up the old beater on Tuesdays.)

    -- Posted by broke-n-busted on Fri, Feb 27, 2009, at 4:17 PM
  • Nice post Slater, I can't say I disagree with much that you said.

    My own take on Obama is that he may be the most brilliant president we have had in my lifetime. When you couple that with the fact that much of his life he lived as many of us have it is reassuring.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Feb 27, 2009, at 10:19 PM
  • Thanks, OKR. I second your remark about Obama's brain. The other night I was listening to some guy who worked for Clinton talking about the differences between Clinton and Obama. He called Clinton a lateral thinker, able to gather a lot of information from a broad spectrum, and he said Obama is a forward thinker with the ability to envision the world a fair distance into the future. Just the kind of thinking we need, especially at this time, I'd say.

    Are you favoring nationalizing some of the banks? I'm all for it as long as the government doesn't give away the house just to keep the bank afloat, and as long as there's a sunset provision as a part of the deal. I've read that the administration is poised to become the majority shareholder in a few of the big ones, like Citigroup. I'm a little antsy about the proposal to take stock but no cash or dividends, expecting the monkeys to put that capital back into the company. I don't know of a single one who has seen the light and repented their greedy and evil ways.

    I'd like to rewrite the oath/pledge that legislators take upon being elected to serve. Their feet would get mighty hot.

    -- Posted by Slater on Fri, Feb 27, 2009, at 11:22 PM
  • Slater I favor it with reservations, and some trepidation. What makes me apprehensive is that there never has been, nor never will be an Albert Schweitzer, nor a Mother Theresa that rises to the top in the financial world. It is the nature of the beast that bright people whose interests are to rise to the top of a financial institution are largely motivated by material greed. That is because material wealth is the primary measuring stick of success in the field.

    Therefore, it seems to me that there must be modernized controls on the negative aspects of greed to keep things from falling apart.

    Secondly, the risk of moral hazard must stay firmly in place. If there is no severe consequence for all the people who have screwed up capitalism is a goner.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Feb 28, 2009, at 12:52 AM
  • It looks like the Republican politicians can't stand the stench that was left by Bush any more than the Democrats. At least that was the theme of many of the comments made by leading Republicans at the recent Conservative Political Action Committee meeting. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0209/19433_Page2.html

    Former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee: "You know what kind of conservatives we need most? Competent conservatives," he said in a speech last Thursday. "It's when we lose our competence, that Americans lose their confidence." He added, "We're no longer Reagan's shining city on a hill; we are the ruined city by the sea."

    Joe Scarborough said "We have to present alternatives, we can't just say no." "There is an alternative to everything we hear from the White House every single day, but we can't just say no." He added: "We're not going to win votes and we're not going to win elections by calling Barack Obama a communist."

    And so it went, on and on from the leading lights of the Republican party, evidencing at every turn a regional party in disarray.

    All of which leads me consider the nick name that George W. Bush gave to Karl Rove the man more commonly called Bush's brain.

    That nick name is Turd Blossom. Google says there are approximately 15,900 entries for the phrase. I have seen it referred to in newspapers of every political stripe.

    According to associates of both Bush, and Rove, it is defined as a flower that grows from a pile of manure. It has occurred to me to wonder if Bush ever realized the implications of the name that he had bestowed on Rove. Rove did not truly flourish until he attached himself to George W. Bush. In fact, Bush's father had cast Rove out of his own campaign because he was too nasty. So if Rove was a turd blossom what would that make George W. Bush to whom he attached himself, and only then grew to be a giant.

    Republican's at CPAC hardly mentioned Bush's name, the name of the man who had addressed their conference every year for eight years. It was as if the name had become a four letter word not to be mentioned in public.

    CPAC is nearly always a gathering that draws all the leading Republican candidates positioning themselves for the next run for President. This year Sara Palin, and Bobby Jindal, the early leaders for next time, apparently believed that the Bush remainders permeating the gathering might overcome them. They chose to not go near the place.

    Like I said, it looks like the Republican's can't stand the stench that was left by Bush.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Mar 1, 2009, at 2:52 AM
  • Yawn "same old same old"

    -- Posted by GOCHIEFS on Sun, Mar 1, 2009, at 7:25 PM
  • I really like the new online poll. I think it reflects highly on Mr. Crump and his crew that MDN is willing to listen to it's citizens. I just wanted to let MDN know that I, for one, appreciate it.

    -- Posted by born-n-raised on Sun, Mar 1, 2009, at 7:27 PM
  • Chiefs Fan, you and Raytown Bill must be blood relatives.

    -- Posted by Slater on Sun, Mar 1, 2009, at 8:35 PM
  • Obama's "forward thinking" is limited to his ability to see what the speech writers have written. Most of the thinking going on is not by B.O., but for B.O. by the demented, twisted puppeteers that control him.

    -- Posted by Billfromraytown on Sun, Mar 1, 2009, at 11:28 PM
  • I suppose I should lay off the poor old Bush Administration. It would be a lot easier for me to do so if I could wean myself of reading conservative intellectual writers that are saying many of the things that I do. It is not the center and left writers that keep me stirred up. They have pretty much moved on to what are we going to do now. Then in an effort to be fair and balanced in my reading, I read conservative writers in conservative publications.

    Consider the following: Did the Limbaughs, Hannitys, Savages, and Ingrahams lead us to this sorry state of affairs?

    They surely did. At the very least, by yoking themselves to the clueless George W. Bush and his free-spending administration, they helped create the great debt bubble that has now burst so spectacularly. The big names, too, were all uncritical of the decade-long (at least) efforts to "build democracy" in no-account nations with politically primitive populations. Sean Hannity called the Iraq War a "massive success," and in January 2008 deemed the U.S. economy "phenomenal."

    I read that ,and it made me mad as hell again concerning what the Bush Administration has done to our country. Off I go on another rant.

    At this point I need to warn my critics, my brothers who call themselves conservatives, who also post on this blog to stay away from reading those conservative intellectuals, and the magazines in which they comment. I know you are safe up to this point or you would already be joining me in ranting about Bush. I would also warn you against reading intellectual journals on the left, and the center, but you don't comment as to what needs to be done to get us out of the malaise that Bush & Co. served up. That is all they talk about these days, they would probably bore you to death. Therefore it may be for the best that you just keep taking it in the ear from Rush and the rest. Don't worry, be happy.

    Oh yes, I almost forgot to give you the source of the quote I asked you to consider. It is by John Derbyshire, a contributing editor to "National Review" writing in the "American Conservative". Y'all wanna stay away from them two rags, hear me now?


    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Mar 2, 2009, at 2:05 AM
  • OKR, the tune you sing about kindred spirits has an intimate ring to it for me, and I understand.

    -- Posted by Slater on Mon, Mar 2, 2009, at 9:31 AM
  • I heard on the news that authorities rescued spaniels from a breeder in southern Missouri. It mentioned some of the dogs were brought here to Marshall. Does anyone know which vet got them? There are several of us that would like to donate food and treats for the poor things.

    -- Posted by i'mback/didyoumissme on Mon, Mar 2, 2009, at 2:00 PM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    Sydney is working on a story about the dogs now. I believe some of them, at least, are at Odell Veterinary Clinic.
  • I'd be interested to know if born-n-raised took the Web site poll. I think that speaks TMDN "is" interested in what people want to see in their newspaper. I like the photos and enjoy the Web site photo gallery and video portions. Gosh, TMDN utilizing video is almost like Marshall having their own TV station.

    -- Posted by Muffin on Mon, Mar 2, 2009, at 2:08 PM
  • I believe we are trying to say the same thing, Muffin. MDN is interested in what people want to see. Am I missing something?

    -- Posted by born-n-raised on Mon, Mar 2, 2009, at 6:14 PM

    -- Posted by Jo on Mon, Mar 2, 2009, at 11:20 PM
  • Point To Ponder:

    It is unpatriotic in these dire times to hope that our President fails in his efforts to bring recovery to our nation.

    It is treason to plan and/or act to sabotage recovery efforts when based on such despicable hope.

    Has a portion of the membership of the Republican Party crossed the line from lack of patriotism to treason?

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Mar 3, 2009, at 12:26 AM
  • Absolutely nothing NanaDot.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Mar 3, 2009, at 12:37 AM
  • Greed looked down on the nation from his mountain of ill gotten gains. He was somewhat satisfied as he realized that his mass of material wealth had grown so large, larger than it had ever been, that he could hardly see his minions far below.

    However, he was troubled when he saw others blocking their progress. He was surprised that those others had noticed, as his minions were the most furtive creatures in the land. He had thought that his total control of public address had caused every one to believe that his minions were the best of citizens, and that nearly everyone was aping their behavior.

    He grimly chuckled to himself, and knew that he had to distract the others. He started a war. He was confident that it would work, because it had worked many times before. Soon enough he saw most of the others disengaging, and running to the boundaries of the nation. He smiled when he saw (as had always happened before) that a large portion of the others did not run to the borders, instead joining his minions as they gathered for their master.

    In less than a decade (which was only a moment to Greed) the swollen ranks of his minions, unimpeded, had had gathered every thing that was gatherable, throwing it in exultation high on the sides of Greed's mountain. Now they scurried to and fro, but there was nothing left to gather.

    Each minion extracted promises from fellow minions to bring more to Greed, but they were empty promises. Then they all stood still, and looked at each other uneasily.

    Suddenly Greed felt his mountain begin to shake, and sway. Then it began to tumble. An avalanche of useless festering garbage, gains that had remained in a dormant pile until they rotted from within, spread across the nation. Most, including all the minions were bound up in the putrid mass, and could not move. Cries of despair were heard across the land. Even Greed, with only his head sticking out of the dump was anguished.

    The others who had rushed to the border turned back, no longer distracted they saw that something must be done. They found that the putrid mass could be used to grow their country again, but only if separated into smaller portions for each to work with. They learned that rules must be enforced to ensure that no one had more than they could understand, and control. And most of all they learned to not let Greed put it in a useless dormant pile.

    Greed grimaced, and realized that it would be three score years, and maybe longer before the people would forget. He sighed, and waited.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Mar 3, 2009, at 1:59 AM
  • Oklahoma Reader;

    You have not a clue with which you speak. It's socialism I want to see fail, not our economy. This is exactly what Rush has said, but as always you can't see or even hear the truth through your liberal fog. It's B.O.'s socialist policies that are so rapidly destroying our nation. If B.O. was doing anything that was good for our country I would want him to succeed, unfortunately he hasn't and I don't!

    -- Posted by Billfromraytown on Tue, Mar 3, 2009, at 10:19 PM
  • Who is censoring the Post here? do you think your Hitler? Do you think your Qualified, or are you a stanch Republican ,that has no sense of fare expression towards that Moron Bush? I don't think i was anything but kind, to that Jerk! I'm tired of people making excuses for that Administration,when you know they were wrong! Their Ideology ,(Dog Eat Dog) and care nothing for the people! The first priority for this World should be the people, even if they had too come to your house and feed you, like the service people they are! The Greedy Fools!You won't post this Either, but i had my say!!

    -- Posted by Jo on Tue, Mar 3, 2009, at 10:43 PM
  • Whats your number? Yee Haw

    -- Posted by Jo on Tue, Mar 3, 2009, at 11:46 PM
  • is anyone else sick and tired of going to walmart and hearing the constant beeeeeeeeeps over and over from their security system failing? it's extremely irritating .. i know this is pretty stupid compared to the stupidity of the nobama administration's rush to "let's not think about it and push things through as quickly as we can before america wakes up to me" approach, but c'mon gary goldammer or whatever the manager's name is ... the beeps are way past irritating. everytime i go into that store, in the grocery section, it's beeeeeep ... beeeeeeep ... beeeeeep ... beeeeep ... employees there say they can't control it, but i don't hear beeeeeeep in any other walmart's i go in.

    fix it goldammer!

    -- Posted by aikman8 on Wed, Mar 4, 2009, at 12:23 AM
  • aikman8 it's real easy for you to fix the problem DONT GO TO WALMART!!!

    -- Posted by Gal66 on Wed, Mar 4, 2009, at 6:38 AM
  • http://www.sedaliademocrat.com/news/kcp_15080___article.html/users_.html

    This is a link about the turnout and concerns for KCPL at the meeting in Sedalia Tuesday night. Same thing here on Thursday I believe?

    -- Posted by Oldblackcat on Wed, Mar 4, 2009, at 8:20 AM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:

    5:30 p.m. March 5 at the Saline County Career Center.


  • Aikman8, I feel the same way!! It is the most annoying beeping I have ever heard!! I complained about it once and an associate told me it was their security system rebooting.... I don't buy that but whatever.....


    Walmart is the only place to get things at a reasonable price and you can get everyhing accomplished in one stop.

    I shop at the Walmart in Columbia and have never heard this beeping.

    -- Posted by luckymomma on Wed, Mar 4, 2009, at 1:42 PM
  • Yes, the beeping is annoying and the service is not near what it used to be. It is convenient, but not so reasonable anymore. I urge anyone that shops there to check your receipts and pay attention as the clerk scans your things. And....any chance you get "Buy American Made".

    -- Posted by tommob on Wed, Mar 4, 2009, at 2:14 PM
  • Maybe, there should be a beep, beep, beeping before we send posts to remind us to hit spell check, and/or grammar check. Capitalizing the first letter of a new sentence is one of the first lessons taught in school.

    -- Posted by litlmissme on Wed, Mar 4, 2009, at 3:54 PM
  • Littlemiss,

    Maybe the school should have beep, beep, and more beeping before they send children off to the next grade because they don't want to deal with them anymore. No child left behind??!!?? Whatever!!!

    -- Posted by luckymomma on Wed, Mar 4, 2009, at 4:30 PM
  • Smokin Cheetah,

    I notice it more back by the dairy department and they have those dang flashing lights. I think they are both very annoying.

    -- Posted by luckymomma on Wed, Mar 4, 2009, at 4:43 PM
  • Why do people think it's okay to make fun of people because they do not spell correctly or use proper grammar? Making someone feel stupid is not okay. It says a lot about a person's character when they cut others down. Clearly, we are not all born with the same abilities or are given the same opportunities. Please be respectful.

    -- Posted by born-n-raised on Wed, Mar 4, 2009, at 5:33 PM
  • Thanks for bringing that up, YeeHaw! Aldi's is looking good! Good job, Robin and crew! I love the bargains I find there...and gourmet items too!

    -- Posted by oneofmany on Wed, Mar 4, 2009, at 9:12 PM
  • My spell checker is on strike.

    Olny srmat poelpe can raed tihs.

    I cdnuolt blveiee taht I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was rdanieg. The phaonmneal pweor of the hmuan mnid, aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoatnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be in the rghit pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit a porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Amzanig huh? yaeh and I awlyas tghuhot slpeling was ipmorantt! if you can read this spelling doesn't really matter, does it?

    -- Posted by White Tornado on Wed, Mar 4, 2009, at 9:15 PM
  • Yes White Tornado spelling is important. Why else do you think they always corrected us in school if we misspelled something. It must be important, Please tell me it wasn't a waste of time.

    -- Posted by John Q. on Thu, Mar 5, 2009, at 9:47 PM
  • Ok, lets think about white tornados, twisted comment for a sec......First the first and last letter of the word are what matters. Well not exactly true.... the middle of the words are spelled correctly just in a different order.

    So think on this......Tgft...did it spell "that" or nothing....nothing is the answer. Rgfh...did it spell rich....dont think so. Spelling does matter, so don't let anyone tell you it doesn't

    Please give me a break if i didn't spell something or punctuate right..

    -- Posted by moodyblue on Fri, Mar 6, 2009, at 2:07 AM
  • echo...echo.........

    -- Posted by moodyblue on Fri, Mar 6, 2009, at 2:09 AM
  • Interesting article (link below). Even more evidence as to how shallow this person really is.

    If you have ever watched one of his "performances" without a TelePrompter you will understand.


    -- Posted by Billfromraytown on Fri, Mar 6, 2009, at 12:48 PM
  • Spelling does matter. That was the point of the blurb. But actually understanding what was said is far more important. Some of you seemed to think that was my opinion when I was merely passing along the results of studies done at Cambridge U. The occassional improper word is only important if it distorts the message. Irony or satire?

    New thought- I'm just a country boy but isn't it counterintuitive to package organic produce in cellophane and Styrofoam?

    -- Posted by White Tornado on Fri, Mar 6, 2009, at 1:51 PM
  • I find it rather humerous that the highschool play recieved more coverage than ever and got a two page spread in the paper.

    Hmm, wonder if that has to do with the daughter of an employee being a part?

    -- Posted by mhsfan on Fri, Mar 6, 2009, at 1:59 PM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    Nope. We always try to cover the play well. Sometimes it gets more coverage, sometimes less, but that depends more on time available than who's in the cast. All the kids involved in every production deserve coverage and recognition.
  • I agree that spelling does matter, as does using proper tense in sentences, something our newscasters and those in politics seem to have forgotten. Look at the "trailers" that appear below the screen and count the number of misspelled words - our children see these. No wonder they don't believe it is important. Knowing proper English used to be a sign of education and/or intelligence, but not now.

    -- Posted by Listening In on Fri, Mar 6, 2009, at 2:18 PM
  • I went back and looked at our coverage of MHS plays and musicals during the past couple of years. I think mhsfan may have a point. Grease, for instance, didn't get the coverage most other productions did. I meant to create a photo gallery for the 2008 summer play and never got around to it. I'll see if I can correct those oversights soon.

    -- Posted by Eric Crump on Fri, Mar 6, 2009, at 3:24 PM
  • NO crimes today on the front page?? Drug busts? 17 year old beating? Dog beatings? Unlawful use of guns? No arrowhead hunters? Seems like a borning day on marshalnews.com

    -- Posted by local-A-rod on Fri, Mar 6, 2009, at 3:37 PM
  • midmocat,

    Regarding Sir Teddy - you know what they say - "What goes around, comes around". Couldn't happen to a "nicer" guy.

    -- Posted by i'mback/didyoumissme on Fri, Mar 6, 2009, at 4:07 PM
  • mhsfan,

    Guess you were off base. The daughter of the editor was in Grease too. In fact, the daughter of the editor has been in the plays for the past four years. Would you like a breakdown on what coverage each play received?

    Give me a break!

    -- Posted by hat full of sky on Fri, Mar 6, 2009, at 5:39 PM
  • "Regarding Sir Teddy - you know what they say - "What goes around, comes around". Couldn't happen to a "nicer" guy."

    Your post speaks volumes......about you, not Senator Kennedy. I hope you or a family member never has to go through such a trauma. You are welcome to disagree with his policies but to basically say he deserves it (and appear to relish his illness), is despicable.

    -- Posted by modemocrat on Fri, Mar 6, 2009, at 7:25 PM
  • Familes and Vets welcome troops home. Do you know the winners of "AMERICAN IDOL"? Have you a favorite sports star? Do you know the names of the METAL OF HONOR recipients from the Global War on Terror? There have been 5! Yes, you support the troops. NAVY CROSS recipients? 14! DISTINGUISHED SERVICE CROSS? 23! Educate yourself. "People who don't read newspapers are uninformed, people who do read newspapers are misinformed" Mark Twain. Case in point-New York Times, MSNBC, NBC. Educate yourself. "Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill , that we shall pay any price, bear any burden,meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and success of liberty" John F. Kennedy Jan. 20, 1961. George W.Bush did just that for 50 million people, and paid the price of hate. As we are like sheep grazing in a open pasture, without any fear, if it were not for the sheepdogs [dogs of war] protecting us when the WOLVES come our freedom will be lost. Educate yourself. As for me, I will PRAY that our President does not cut the military budget by 10% or more. See you tuesday, I'll be the one waving the US flag.

    -- Posted by US male on Fri, Mar 6, 2009, at 8:48 PM
  • USmale,

    "METAL OF HONOR"? Really? I guess we could all use some self "education".

    You also said"

    "Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill , that we shall pay any price, bear any burden,meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and success of liberty" John F. Kennedy Jan. 20, 1961. George W.Bush did just that for 50 million people, and paid the price of hate."

    That's what happens when you invade a sovereign nation that did nothing to us resulting hundreds of thousands killed. People tend not to like you very much.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, Mar 6, 2009, at 9:43 PM
  • If you haven't had a chance to see MHS's play, See how they run, you must! Awesome performance by all!!

    -- Posted by Proudsportsmom on Fri, Mar 6, 2009, at 10:18 PM
  • ND, I'm waving hello. :)

    -- Posted by Slater on Fri, Mar 6, 2009, at 10:51 PM
  • OKR, will you be taking in any of the Big 12 basketball tournament coming, I believe, to your fair city next week?

    -- Posted by Slater on Fri, Mar 6, 2009, at 11:26 PM
  • Hey MidMoCat! Would you have become Wm. F. Buckley's partner if he'd asked? (heh heh)

    Raytown Bill longs to become Limbaugh's partner. Maybe one of you "enlightened" souls should put in a word on Wild Bill's behalf.

    -- Posted by Slater on Fri, Mar 6, 2009, at 11:31 PM
  • Was anyone else outraged that the mayor of St. Louis has been all over the cable news shows complaining that Missouri is mis-using it's stimulus monies because the first project funded by the stimulus package was in rural Missouri? The St. Louis mayor is demanding that almost all of the stimulus monies be used to fund projects in his city.

    So I guess all of us tax paying citizens of Missouri that happen to live outside the St. Louis metro area just don't count for much. Just look at how the 15 year highway plan was derailed. The state continued to collect the gas tax and then spent most of that money on road projects in the major metro areas while completely dumping the projects in rural Missouri.

    The entire state is in need of repairs and improvements, citizens of all parts of the state are taxpayers, so who does this mayor of St. Louis think he is demanding that his city get all the benefits?

    -- Posted by Reader101 on Fri, Mar 6, 2009, at 11:53 PM
  • Nope Slater, as much as I would like to I am not going to see any of the basketball games live. The only live games I am watching at the moment are my seventh grade grandson's games. His school season is over but most of the team has stayed together, and have started spring tournaments, and a spring league. He attends a 6A (largest class) school.

    They start getting serious about it at a young age down here, at least in the city area. It is doubly pleasurable for me because my son coaches the team in the spring and summer. My son was, and now my grandson is a point guard. I coached my son's youth league basketball team when he was a kid. It is a fun tradition for us.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Mar 7, 2009, at 10:44 PM
  • Hey Mayor of St. Louis I was going to take an overnight extended vacation in St. Louis to visit the MO Botanical Gardens but NOT NOW. What a creep! WE NEED TO BOYCOTT EVERYTHING ST.LOUIS!

    Outstate MO roads are a joke! Bridges crumbling, potholes, pavement coming loose our roads are a mess. On CNN they had a segment about what the St. Louis Mayor said and the newscaster who went under the bridge in question to interview a MODOT worker and the two of them were nearly hit with a 6 inch piece of concrete that fell off the bridge. Now come on Mr. Mayor don't you think country people need a few two lane roads that are SAFE! When is 65 hwy going to get a real paving? North of I-70 on 65 hwy is very rough. State Hwy N and 127 are direct routes to Mid Mo Energy and there is not enough money to really fix the roads for the load capacity. Outstate MO citizens drive more and therefore pay more taxes to MODOT but we are left behind in money spending in the state.

    I don't want anybody to think that the MODOT employees who drive the trucks handle the hot asphalt and mow the banks are doing a bad job. They drive these same roads as we do and they see the need firsthand and their hands are tied because the money goes to the metropolitan areas and they are just not budgeted in the rural areas.

    Like I said before we need to not spend any money in St. Louis see how they will get along without tourism dollars.

    -- Posted by salinemg on Sun, Mar 8, 2009, at 12:18 AM
  • BOINGGG!!!!!! Spring forward, everybody!

    -- Posted by Slater on Sun, Mar 8, 2009, at 12:18 AM
  • anyone else feeling like hillary would have been a much better option now as president?

    this guy and his socialist agenda have already proved to be a failure, after just six weeks! push everything through as quickly as we can before the people figure us out. and we have four more YEARS of this! as it turned out, i guess all you obamamaniacs had it wrong ... hillary would've been a more comforting and smart option ... and i'm not even a clinton fan, but it sure seems more comforting right now than this idiot.

    blame it all on bush if you want, and i completely agree with that, he stunk, but obama's "change" is the answer?!?!? he's gonna go down in history as one of the best all-time marketing experts, but like all politicians, has little to deliver. blame it all on bush, but eventually, it's nobama's problem. you can't keep using that argument.

    it's now barack's problem, which he ignores with his $100 a pound kobe beef steak and wednesday night parties at the white house just to please his wife. they are partying while we're all struggling out here.

    unless someone else shows up who can do it better ... hillary in 2k12!?!?!!? get this jimmy carter jr. out of office after four years. i'm not sure this country can survive four years of nobama and his negative approach to everything. everytime he speaks, the stock market dives. 3,000 points in six weeks? that's a record. go look it up. it's all about confidence, and he's about as negative as it comes.

    -- Posted by aikman8 on Sun, Mar 8, 2009, at 3:46 AM
  • aikman8,

    Calm down. There is no magic wand in our microwave, instant gratification society.

    The man took office with an unprecedented amount of very serious problems. Had he done nothing I'm sure your complaint would be the same.

    Maybe now more than ever we should rally behind our president and try to adopt the "can do" attitude that we Americans are supposedly famous for.

    Those wednesday parties you speak of are a great way for members both parties to socialize, perhaps create bonds which may help them work together better in the future. Just like many American workers who regularly go out for beers.

    I think it helps builds stonger,more positive attitudes.

    Anyone willing to take on what he has taken on deserves a good steak.

    BTW, there was a larger dow drop under Bush.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Sun, Mar 8, 2009, at 6:52 AM
  • Those readers who are interested in the fortunes of the GE plant in Slater might like to go to The New York Times for an article titled, "Behind the curtain at GE" which was in the 6 March 2009 edition. At least GE stock is worth more than Citigroup's.

    -- Posted by upsedaisy on Sun, Mar 8, 2009, at 8:47 PM
  • 2009 DJIA opened Jan 01 at 8,772.75, Opened Nov 04 2008 Election Day at 9,323.89, Opened Inauguration Day at 8,279.63

    Mar 05 Falls 281.40 to close at 6,594.44, down 53.44% from the all time high on Oct 9, 2007, down 24.83% from the 2009 open, lowest close since Apr 15, 1997

    OW! OW! OW!

    -- Posted by Billfromraytown on Mon, Mar 9, 2009, at 12:19 AM
  • Stay away from the windows, Bill.

    -- Posted by Slater on Mon, Mar 9, 2009, at 12:28 AM
  • I do not normally utilize long quotes in my postings, but this one is put so succinctly, and is such an important subject I am going against my usual habit. There has been so much bull spread about the Obama tax increase on earnings over $250,000.00 that clarification is necessary.

    "Finally, there has been a near total absence of discussion of what higher rates will mean in the real world. Say you're a CNBC anchor, or a Washington Post columnist with a seat at the Council on Foreign Relations, or a dentist, and you managed to cobble together $350,000 a year in income. You're doing quite well. If you subtract deductions for state and property taxes, mortgage interest and charitable deductions, and other deductions, the amount on which tax rates are calculated might total $300,000. What would happen if the marginal rate on the portion of your income above $250,000 were to rise from 33 percent to 36 percent? Under the old regime, you'd pay $16,500 in federal taxes on that amount. Under the new one, you'd pay $18,000. The difference is $1,500 per year, or $4.10 per day. Obviously, the numbers rise as you make more. But is $4.10 a day bleeding the rich, a war on the wealthy, a killer of innovation and enterprise? That dentist eager to slash her income from $320,000 to $250,000 would avoid the pain of paying an extra $2,100 in federal taxes. But she'd also deprive herself of an additional $70,000 in income!

    Can she, or we, really be that stupid?"

    The above quote is from a column entitled "War on the Rich?" by Daniel Gross.


    The next time someone tells you that Obama's tax increases are going to kill us refer them to this column. Further be suspicious of anything that person tells you in the future. As best I can see that person is ignorant, or stupid, or repeating what they have heard prior to analyzing it, usually to support a political view opposed to our President's.

    By the way I found the entire column interesting

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Mar 11, 2009, at 12:31 AM
  • oklahoma reader ... i think nobama's tax increases are the least thing we have to worry about ... i pretty much see elmer fudd sitting in the oval office taking his shotgun and shooting everything in sight, trying to kill that wascally wabbitt ... while his attention and focus isn't on the most important things - mainly the banking industry and the mortgage situation, the things that got us in this crisis in the first place - but let's just try to cure it all at once without thinking about any of it, push through as much as i can before the peeps wake up ... let's just throw some money at it all ... hey THAT will work! sounds like .. ummm ... george bush?

    this isn't jimmy carter lite .... it's jimmy carter heavy.

    -- Posted by aikman8 on Wed, Mar 11, 2009, at 1:10 AM
  • Aikman8 couldn't agree with you more. My point was that the tax increase is an inconsequential red herring thrown up by Rush Limbaugh and his ilk that distracts us from the "bidness" of getting a handle on the situation.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Mar 11, 2009, at 1:34 AM
  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHw7PB_q8J0

    Slater, just throwing some music back at you. NanaDot you also might want to take a peek at it.

    Linkin Park... maybe this is where the protest music has gone....along with going to hip hop of course. I liked our generations better. CS&N "Ohio", Dylan, Lennon, et al.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Mar 11, 2009, at 1:42 AM
  • oklahoma reader ... you seem to have an issue with rush. lol. i'm not exactly his biggest fan, but you have to admit, the dems (aka rham emanuel, james carville, etc) are trying to use him for their plan - taking the focus off the bigger issue - that they're failing. i think nobama should be concentrating on bigger issues.

    -- Posted by aikman8 on Wed, Mar 11, 2009, at 1:45 AM
  • Lest people think I am "just" a Liberal, or a Democrat, not true. I am in lock step with no party, nor political figure. I am a Populist first.

    I was dismayed by Obama's choice of Geithner for Treasurer, and have seen nothing to alleviate my dismay.

    I **** sure would like to see more regulation of the corporate greed. I would like to see more of the natural consequences of "moral hazard". When you remove those consequences of stupid greedy blunders from the mix, you remove the first line of defense against repetition of the errors.

    Down with the Corporatocracy, restore some semblance of a democratic republic with the welfare of the people as its goal.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Mar 11, 2009, at 1:59 AM
  • Well said Cosa. I just wonder why all these intelligent people who have all the answers aren't running for office? Like having several back seat drivers.

    -- Posted by Air Force Wife on Wed, Mar 11, 2009, at 11:52 AM
  • Cosa Nostra, you remind me of any character from the movie Caveman.

    If people didn't study and discuss their interests with some passion, this would most definitely be a boring world, and would look just about like that cave the troglodytes shared.

    -- Posted by Slater on Wed, Mar 11, 2009, at 2:43 PM
  • As an American I find its time to put politics aside, standup and be counted, as a defender of the Constitution. As an American its time to send a message to Washington, that we are not going to allow members of Congress to put restrictions on our First Amendment Rights.

    House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is supporting legislation that will force the Federal Communications Commission to "promote diversity" on the airwaves -- a move many see as a stealth effort to regulate conservative-dominated talk radio without bringing back the controversial Fairness Doctrine.

    Pelosi, D-Calif., has thrown her support to an amendment in a Senate bill. The amendment has become known as the Durbin amendment, after its sponsor, Senate Assistant Majority Leader Dick Durbin, D-Ill.

    The amendment is clearly an attempt to revive the Fairness Doctrine -- an unpopular FCC regulation removed in 1987 that forced broadcasters to grant equal airtime to opposing political viewpoints,

    After all nearly all talk radio and conservative talk shows on Cable Networks are subscribed to by the listener and the listener has the right to change channels or simply unsubscribe if they don't like what they hear.

    Any attempt by anyone in Government to regulate Freedom of Speech should be recognized for what it is, an attack on the Constitution of The United States of America! People making or supporting such attacks should be dealt with, please join me, pick up your pin, and voice your opinion by letting your Congress person know how you feel. Stand up as an American and protect this Nation's greatest asset, The Constitution of The United States.

    John Gorrell

    -- Posted by squirrel on Wed, Mar 11, 2009, at 2:55 PM
  • John Gorrell, I agree it is (rather than "its"} time to oppose the legislation. No one is forcing me to listen to anyone.

    I just want to know which pompous politician should I attack first once I have picked up "my pin" ?

    -- Posted by upsedaisy on Wed, Mar 11, 2009, at 8:49 PM
  • Upsedaisy:

    All of them!

    -- Posted by squirrel on Wed, Mar 11, 2009, at 11:55 PM
  • Hey Cosa Nostra, and AFW, I have posted three out of the last nine days. Since I know you aren't talking about me I will rise to the defense of my fellow posters that you must have been criticizing.

    I,and many others enjoy the posts with provocative comment. People like Smokin Cheetah, NanaDot, Slater, White Tornado, WTF, Aikman8, Newsacross, and many others,including the paper's staff comment on diverse subjects, but yes often politics. Politically these posters represent a diverse group, from Liberal to Libertarian, from Centerist to Conservative. Complex people they are, more often than not supporting some things from each end of the political spectrum, to say nothing of the middle.

    Had it not been for people like this who spoke out, in writing, and verbally, our country would never have been founded in the manner that it was. We now call them patriots. Had it not been for people like these through out periods of peril in our nation's history we would have lost much. Do not forget those who spoke out in support of breaking the yoke of slavery. Do not forget those who sought, first the right to own property, then the right to vote for the women of our country. They were moral stalwarts, they were patriots.

    Now our nation is in deep peril again. Patriotic people of every political stripe are concerned.

    Patriotic people of every stripe are wracking their brains as to what should done, for the truth is none of us high, nor low, really know what will work, what won't. High, and low, let's talk about it. Won't you join us? Speak out.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Mar 11, 2009, at 11:56 PM
  • you're a good man, a good american, oklahoma reader. i respect your views. don't always agree with you, but this time i do. fair and balanced you are. :)

    -- Posted by aikman8 on Thu, Mar 12, 2009, at 12:18 AM
  • Thank you for your comment Aikman8, it means a lot to me. Keep em coming.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Mar 12, 2009, at 12:26 AM
  • Oh, Aikman8 I did not mean keep the compliments coming, I meant your comments. Who knows one of us overbearing posters may come up with something that will ignite, and spread like a populist prairie fire. If so, it could blow from the left or the right.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Mar 12, 2009, at 12:58 AM
  • John Gorrell, this one is for you. Open your mind, absorb the lyrics, and expand your horizons!


    Lyrics for Suite: Madame Blue, by Styx

    Time after time I sit and I wait for your call

    I know I'm a fool but, why can I say

    Whatever the price I'll pay for you, Madame Blue

    Once long ago, a word from your lips and the world turned around

    But somehow you've changed, You're so far away

    I long for the past and dream of the days with you, Madame Blue

    Suite Madame Blue, gaze in your looking glass

    You're not a child anymore

    Suite Madame Blue, the future is all but past

    Dressed in your jewels, you made your own rules

    You conquered the world and more....Heaven's door





    Red, white and blue, gaze in your looking glass

    You're not a child anymore

    Red, white and blue, the future is all but past

    So lift up your heart, make a new start

    And lead us away from here

    -- Posted by Slater on Thu, Mar 12, 2009, at 12:54 PM
  • OKR, Linkin Park is a reminder, and here's one closer to the times:


    -- Posted by Slater on Thu, Mar 12, 2009, at 1:34 PM
  • While I'm feeling melodic, is there anyone in here who remembers a late 60s group called Stoneface? They played at a few clubs in KC and went to California at the invitation of Columbia Records, but a recording contract never panned out and they returned to KC after about 6 months waiting and waiting...

    Stoneface was a group in the same format as Chicago and Blood Sweat & Tears. They were VERY good, in my opinion, but fortune didn't shine on them to any extent.

    -- Posted by Slater on Thu, Mar 12, 2009, at 1:48 PM
  • Speaking of melodies and other ditties. How many among us would like to shoot the fish on the wall for making this phrase get stuck in our heads?

    "Give me back that Fillet-O-Fish...give me that Fish."

    -- Posted by Typesetter on Thu, Mar 12, 2009, at 2:05 PM
  • Still singing - here's 6 minutes of emotion with a few of the greatest:


    -- Posted by Slater on Thu, Mar 12, 2009, at 3:43 PM
  • Munch, munch, munch a bunch of Fritos Corn Chips :)

    -- Posted by Slater on Thu, Mar 12, 2009, at 4:11 PM
  • Brusha, brusha, brusha, new Ipana toothpaste! Seems to me it was a squirrel or a chipmunk singing the jingle. And then there's Brylcream, a little dab'll do ya, Brylcream, you'll look so debonair...but those were in the Dark Ages, almost before TV :)

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Thu, Mar 12, 2009, at 4:24 PM
  • KF, that was Bucky Beaver, brushing with the new Ipana and its brand-new flavor. It was dandy for your teeeeeeeeth. :)

    -- Posted by Slater on Thu, Mar 12, 2009, at 4:28 PM
  • Typesetter, this is all YOUR fault!!! heh heh

    -- Posted by Slater on Thu, Mar 12, 2009, at 4:30 PM
  • LOL...yup, Slater, you're right - it was Bucky Beaver! I have a theory about memory that dovetails neatly with this little string of trivia we're working right now. I think there is only so much space on the memory disk we're issued birth. We fill the disk all our lives, adding memories, bits of information from school, TV, everywhere...but eventually things start to slow down. It's harder to find an empty slot for new information.

    And then one day, we realize that we're going to have to offload some of that information.

    We'd rather not offload anything, of course, but unless we erase the words to "Louie, Louie," we will not be able to remember where we put the keys to the car. :)

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Thu, Mar 12, 2009, at 4:37 PM
  • This is telling us things about ourselves that maybe we don't really want to admit. lol

    Can I recite Hamlet's soliloquy? NO!

    Can I sing the Ipana toothpaste jingle? YES!

    -- Posted by Slater on Thu, Mar 12, 2009, at 4:54 PM
  • I think music attached to memory makes the memory stick better, too. Maybe that's why we remember song lyrics but forget other things. Maybe one day science will give us a longer memory or more capacity, or maybe we will learn how to store things better.

    It seems to me that everything we know is up there, and that one of the reasons we can't remember is that we misfiled the data.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Thu, Mar 12, 2009, at 4:59 PM
  • Now here's a CEO who's thinking like a person instead of a machine:


    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Thu, Mar 12, 2009, at 5:02 PM
  • And here's another person in charge who maybe isn't thinking that way. Be sure to read the entire story, all the way to the end:


    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Thu, Mar 12, 2009, at 5:25 PM
  • Yep, the little guy with the big voice.

    -- Posted by Slater on Thu, Mar 12, 2009, at 5:44 PM
  • Yes, Bush took over the governor's seat from Ann Richards, who'd managed to build a surplus in the treasury of around $375 million. By the time Bush moved east, the state was in the red by around $8 BILLION, and Perry has done nothing to erase that debt.

    Evidently he learned fiscal management from his predecessor.

    -- Posted by Slater on Thu, Mar 12, 2009, at 5:49 PM
  • Kathy Fairchild:

    Thanks for your post I can understand what you are talking about.

    President Obama said today that he studied the Constitution for nearly 10 years-- I wonder if anyone in Congress has ever bothered to read it!

    -- Posted by squirrel on Thu, Mar 12, 2009, at 6:02 PM
  • Here is a populist essay by Jim Hightower. It is about a five minute read if anyone is interested.


    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Mar 12, 2009, at 10:59 PM
  • Until I read this commentary I did not fully understand how bad things really are, and how much worse they are likely to get. The crux of the problem is credit derivatives which were defined by Warren Buffet as financial weapons of mass destruction.

    All of you Clinton haters will jump with joy when you read how complicit Bill Clinton, and Robert Rubin were in establishing our mess. Of course the Republicans were, and are in it up to their eyeballs. I am concerned that the Obama Administration is too close to the perpetrators.

    Anyway here it is, read it and weep.


    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Mar 13, 2009, at 12:50 AM
  • can anyone remind me when the city wide clean up thingy is? i saw it on here the other day....april something?

    -- Posted by marshallite on Fri, Mar 13, 2009, at 2:07 PM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    "Take Pride in Marshall" litter pickup is April 4. Folks who want to pitch in should meet at the City Office Building in Marshall at 9:30 a.m. David Kemm will distribute gloves, trash bags and safety vests.
  • I just recently read where Missouri's State Appropriations Committee recommended to the House of Legislators to do away with the Parents as Teachers program and other support programs for Missouri schools. I also heard that this passed in the House and is on its way to the state Senate. I'm appalled that this is being considered, as programs such as this provide such an awesome service for our school, community, especially for families who have children that experience learning delays. In my opinion, educational programs are not where the state needs to be cutting back!

    -- Posted by cssmcc on Fri, Mar 13, 2009, at 2:35 PM
  • The Appropriations Committee also recommended HUGE cuts for the Department of Mental Health, which includes laying off 75 employees at the Marshall Habilitation Center. That's 75 good jobs, with health care and benefits; not replaceable in this town. Let's hope Mr. Aull and Mr. Stouffer are paying attention and fighting for their constituents.

    -- Posted by born-n-raised on Fri, Mar 13, 2009, at 5:15 PM
  • Only the locals will know this one:

    Dress right you can't afford not to.

    Dress right if you want to belong,

    Dress right no matter what your doing

    Dress right man and you'll never go wrong!

    -- Posted by litlmissme on Fri, Mar 13, 2009, at 5:16 PM
  • I'm embarrassed to learn that one of Missouri's Senators was responsible for the "pork" included in the stimulus bill. The link below explains further:


    -- Posted by born-n-raised on Fri, Mar 13, 2009, at 5:17 PM
  • Little Miss, would that have been Rose & Buckner?

    -- Posted by Slater on Fri, Mar 13, 2009, at 6:19 PM
  • Little Miss-

    Indeed it is. I can remember that, along with Harold Douglas (Hello, whaddya say?) on KMMO, long before they went FM.

    -- Posted by BlackBird on Fri, Mar 13, 2009, at 6:24 PM
  • Isn't the theme song formerly used by Rose and Buckner now used by Jerry's and Lin's? It's not the same recording because the original jingle had a real 50's sound. I don't know who sings the tune now, but it sounds like a local voice I should recognize. At any rate, I recall waking up to that jingle on school days. There was also a religious show on called "Echos of Eternity." (I'm really showing my age here!) Another highlight was Voncille Blum who was a very respected cook in the county. She had a show on KMMO as well. Of course, the voices of John Hughes and Harold Douglas were amazing. As teenagers, we thought our mom was so "out of it" because she listened to KMMO, your friendly farmer station. My kids crack up that I get up to listen to the 6:15 birthday and anniversary club and the 6:30 news. It's one of the many things I love about small town. Thanks for the stroll down memory lane.

    -- Posted by oneofmany on Fri, Mar 13, 2009, at 9:03 PM
  • Oneofmany

    I'm pretty sure that the person that sings the jingle for Jerry's Menswear is the owner Jerry Hedrick.

    -- Posted by Typesetter on Fri, Mar 13, 2009, at 9:38 PM
  • Hey oneofmany, that's John Swisher singing the jingle.

    I think I'm remembering correctly when I say another oldtimer on KMMO was Joe Harris.

    -- Posted by Tori on Fri, Mar 13, 2009, at 9:40 PM
  • OKR, Hightower has Brooks nailed for sure. As I read the article I was thinking about Brooks' deportment and the presidential campaign wound down, and how he so grudgingly admitted that Obama ran a better campaign than McCain. I don't read the NY Times, so I don't have first-hand knowledge of his comments about our "classless" society, but that attribution doesn't surprise me.

    As I read the Lieber article, his commentary reinforced my feeling that the majority of the American people are in denial about the state of the nation. So many younger people have lived a life free of calamitous events and they either can't or they refuse to acknowledge the severity of the problems we face, and this mindset is strengthened by the continued bickering in Washington; the politicians present an almost indifferent attitude about the trouble we're in. The public looks at the government, sees the usual behaviors and figures we're not as bad off as some would have us believe. In an earlier post, John Gorrell wondered if the politicians have ever taken the time to read the Constitution. My belief is that the majority of the public responds to woeful economic statistics in a similar manner - it CAN'T be all that bad - and then they turn a deaf ear to the reports, unable or unwilling to comprehend the inferences.

    No one needs to react like Chicken Little, but adopting the false belief that this will be over in a matter of weeks is only inviting more trouble. The sky won't fall as long as we take the steps to prevent that from happening.

    -- Posted by Slater on Fri, Mar 13, 2009, at 11:38 PM
  • Tomorrow I'll have to get out my two-way cap - MU on one side, and Baylor on the other. I can't lose. :)

    -- Posted by Slater on Fri, Mar 13, 2009, at 11:47 PM
  • Slater I heartily agree with your comments provoked by the Lieber commentary. It also set me to thinkin.

    Why were people starting around 1980, consumed more than is usual, with scrambling to accumulate more "wealth" than they could ever have a rational use for? Do you remember the phrase "greed is good" from that period? I seem to recall that it was a quote from Michael Douglas' character in the movie, "Wall Street".

    My initial hypothesis is that we were beginning to take note of dwindling resources, and that our hoarding instinct spurred by subconcious fear ramped up. I'll see how it holds up as I think it through over the next few days.

    I'm glad you took the time to read the Lieber comments, I doubt many did. At least for me, it is a difficult piece to wrap the mind around from both a technical, and an emotional perspective.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Mar 14, 2009, at 10:05 AM
  • Litlmissme, thanks for the grins you provided with the Rose & Buckner jingle. It set me off on a nostalgia trip.

    It seems to me that back then, on some of the Kansas City stations there was a Helzberg Jewelers jingle. I can not bring it to my conscious mind. You wouldn't happen to recall that one would you?

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Mar 14, 2009, at 10:13 AM
  • There is a newer version of the "Dress Right" jingle. If I didn't know any better I would say it was sung by Al Sturhahn.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Sat, Mar 14, 2009, at 1:24 PM
  • OKR, thank YOU for posting links offering a variety of perspectives. I've always felt there's generallysomething useful to be found in all opinions.

    I was thinking about your hypothesis and how it can help to explain the events of the past few decades. I believe you're correct about the Douglas character statement. I remember the newspeople talking about how the 1980s was being called the Decade of Greed, or something along that line.

    Human nature, as tuned and refined by religious belief, seems to parallel the ingredients driving a capitalist economy, or maybe human nature IS one of the attributes. I'm not a religious historian by any stretch of the imagination, but I seem to recall that John Calvin believed that God looked favorably upon those who amassed substantial material wealth - the more one acquired, the more God favored that individual.

    One glaring characteristic of today's society is its collective need to outdo the Jones's. It's become an obsession, which may have taken off in the early 1970s when the US economy took a big hit. Inflation was running in double-digit numbers and the financiers were swimming in the serendipituous gravy bowl that emerged. I can remember the money market accounts I had at the end of the 70s returning anywhere from 12-15 percent or more.

    Lieber talked about the junk bond fiasco of the 1980s, prompting the news people to give the decade that label of greed, and it's continued almost at full speed since.

    I was curiious to know, as relates to the federal deficit, what the fiscal records of both political parties showed since the end of WWII, and I was somewhat surprised by the numbers, given the stereotypes associated with the parties - Democrats the tax and spend party, Republicans the party of fiscal responsibility. What I saw in the Bureau of the Budget records is that every Democratic administration since 1948 has lowered the deficit while operating in a more frugal way. I posted the link here, but I doubt that many looked at it.

    So, I believe I would say that Americans, by and large, are now being victimized by members of their own generation and can't see beyond their own spheres of affluence,such as they might be.

    Incidentally, my wife was born and raised in KC, and I asked her about the Helzbergs commercials, but she doesn't remember any specific jingles. :(

    -- Posted by Slater on Sat, Mar 14, 2009, at 2:19 PM
  • Well, I see the corruption and greed still run rampant at AIG. The other day they reported a fourth-quarter '08 loss of $61.7 billion, and today they paid some executives a total of $165 million in bonuses.

    The administration (treasury dept.) said the payments are legal and the government can't force them not to pay out the money. The government's request to withhold the payments was ignored.

    I suppose as long as nothing is done to any of them, they'll continue to moon the rest of us.

    An article I read today about the new attorney general indicates that, although he's a smart enough guy, it isn't yet known if he'll have the moxey to deal effectively with the lawbreakers.

    As long as aspects of our system are being overhauled, my vote is for adding the "legal" system to the list.

    -- Posted by Slater on Sat, Mar 14, 2009, at 11:51 PM
  • Did anyone notice that there were some 40 Tea Parties in 12 States Saturday, protesting the the pork spending that Congress is using your TAX Dollars for?

    Someone said that Capital Hill in Washington DC was liken to a toilet--its time to flush it!

    Standup and be counted!!

    -- Posted by squirrel on Sun, Mar 15, 2009, at 3:17 PM
  • A very inflammatory article, YeeHaw. Thanks for posting the link.

    The government-appointed head of AIG said the bonuses are necessary in order to retain the most skilled people. Most skillled in what way, one might ask? Most skilled at putting the country on the brink of bankruptcy? And for that their "ironclad" contracts guarantee these bnuses, now and in the future.

    I can't believe ANYONE would have the gall to make such an outrageous statement. {Liddy in a whiney voice: "But, Mr. Geithner! We HAVE to pay out the bonuses if we're going to have a chance at retaining the most skilled people!"}

    Since the government now owns 80% of the company, it behooves each of us to begin a letter-writing campaign making it very clear to those monkeys in Washington that we fully expect our majority ownership to exercise its control and get rid of the crooks and freeloaders.

    -- Posted by Slater on Sun, Mar 15, 2009, at 3:34 PM
  • Slater:

    The Monkeys in Washington are just as bad as AIG Exec's.

    Like I said in my previous post its time to flush the toilet and get some new people in there.

    Yes you right if we own the company then we need to do something about it.

    -- Posted by squirrel on Sun, Mar 15, 2009, at 6:02 PM
  • Hey has anyone read the letter from the 911 commission that tell a bunch of lies. Everyones zip+4 will change. Everyone will need to go to the courthouse and change their address so their voting records will be correct. You would think that we taxpayers would get better work for our tax dollars. I'm not worried about Pork in the fed budget, I'm worried about the 911 commissionars not having enough oversight over GeoCom! I think that GeoCom handling of this whole project is a joke. Imagine a gravel road called an avenue! Heck, they don't even follow the established names of streets that turn into gravel roads. Plus have they forgotten that Hwy 65 is Lexington Street in Marshall and State Street in Malta Bend. Which name is correct? People outside the county will think its a joke or that the citizens are a joke.

    -- Posted by salinemg on Sun, Mar 15, 2009, at 9:20 PM
  • "Obama Says Administration Will Try to Block AIG Bonuses"

    Is this not like trying to close the barn after the cow's got out.

    Who in there right mind would loan a business a large some of money not knowing what there obligations are?

    Oh wait I know the good old USA!!!!

    Well done you idiots in Washington that voted for this!!!!!!

    Someone saves us from ourselves!!!!!!!!

    -- Posted by Gal66 on Mon, Mar 16, 2009, at 12:06 PM
  • Regarding Text Alerts:

    I would hardly call a deal on a large pizza at a local pizza joint "breaking news"!

    I really can't be bothered with messages like this in the midddle of my work day.

    If this is what it's going to be, I'll probably need to unsubscribe.

    -- Posted by Sad Spectator on Mon, Mar 16, 2009, at 1:00 PM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    Please accept our apologies. The message was sent to all text alert subscribers. This is a fairly new service and we're still trying things out. Feedback from subscribers is essential to the process, so thanks for letting us know what you think!
  • http://jimhightower.com//node/6758

    Grab bag, reach in if you dare.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Mar 16, 2009, at 11:22 PM
  • ok how do you unsub from text alerts from this and mazzios of all things!!!!

    -- Posted by marshallite on Tue, Mar 17, 2009, at 9:52 AM
  • How does one get a get a job at AIG? Apparently having any kind of competency is not a job qualification, and not only do you keep your job no matter how bad your actual performance is, you also get bonuses!!!! Talk about a dream job!!!! Where do I sign up???!?!?!

    -- Posted by Reader101 on Tue, Mar 17, 2009, at 6:12 PM
  • My problem with the new 911 addresses is I have to go to the Courthouse and change my address with the Assessor's Office (they boohoo-ed that they don't have enough manpower during their 'busy season' to answer all the phone calls they were getting right now so they want everyone to bring in a copy of their change of address letter) - Couldn't the 911 Commission have coordinated with entities such as the County government offices to provide them with the address changes so that we individuals do not have to make a special trip to the Courthouse to change our address. Also, as far as changing the address on my voter registration, how come the County Clerk's office can't send a new voter registration card to every voter who changed their address to sign and return? I guess that would be because the 911 Commission did not provide that office with the new addresses either. Thus, I have to go to the Courthouse and give that office my new address too so I might as well sign the new voter registration card while I'm there! Plus, I don't think it is right that I have to pay to have my driver's license updated with my new address when I recently had it renewed and it is good for several years. Those folks who live in town whose address did not change do not have the extra expense of changing their licenses. Don't get me wrong I am very appreciative of having the security of knowing that if I need emergency services they can find me more easily with the new addresses. I just don't think that it should cost me a trip to the Courthouse during business hours (taking off of work) and the extra funds to change my driver's license (and double that for those who have a conceal-to-carry license), etc.! It just seems to me this kind of thing could have been handled better.

    -- Posted by Typesetter on Tue, Mar 17, 2009, at 9:59 PM
  • This whole 911 thing has been a circus from the word go. And speaking of circus...where did the clowns get these "street" names? What a weird group of words they chose. I saw a "Boxelder Rd"..or ave, or st. or something. What a ridiculous name. The poor people on that road are gonna have to spell it out every time they give their address to someone.

    No offense intended to any actual clowns.

    -- Posted by outsider on Tue, Mar 17, 2009, at 10:41 PM
  • Junk bonds in 1980. Recession October 1987. Dot.com implosions in 90s, followed by Enron's meltdown. Madoff's Ponzi scheme.

    The New York Times reports "There have been signs that all is not well in business education. A study of cheating among graduate students, published in 2006 in the journal Academy of Management Learning & Education, found that 56 percent of all M.B.A. students cheated regularly -- more than in any other discipline. The authors attributed that to "perceived peer behavior" -- in other words, students believed everyone else was doing it."

    Evidently, they were!

    -- Posted by upsedaisy on Tue, Mar 17, 2009, at 10:57 PM
  • hey police chief donnell-

    how about actually enforcing some of the ordinances regarding cars with defective mufflers and cars with "altered" tailpipes to make them sound like whiny chainsaws on steroids?! this town has so many loud cars and trucks it sounds like a drag strip.

    don't even get me started on the car stereos that vibrate your windows when they drive by. do we have laws against this type of thing or are all the officers to busy going to one call for curiosity and something to do when it only takes a single officer to do the call?

    speaking of drag strips, while your officers are out on patrol, have them actually sit in a high traffic location like odell and yerby or odell and mitchell. at certain times of the day like after school until about 7, especially on warm days it's like a drag strip up and down odell.

    -- Posted by hunterfisher on Tue, Mar 17, 2009, at 11:28 PM
  • upsedaisy ain't it a shame, but then when young people lock in on the major that they believe will make them more money than any other what can we expect. It ought to be called the greed major. Greed and morality mix about as well as oil and water. For me one of the least unpleasant things about this mess is watching the greedy get smacked down.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Mar 17, 2009, at 11:37 PM
  • Back to the 911. It's been asked here and probably discussed among rural citizens, but just why can't the county offices coordinate to save people some hassle associated with changing addresses? No one has answered the question. How about if our newspaper asks our officials and posts their reply?

    -- Posted by outsider on Wed, Mar 18, 2009, at 6:55 AM
  • Typesetter I bet if the county said we have $30 for you but you have to come to town to get it you would take the time to go get it.

    If you want the benefits of living in town then move to town.

    -- Posted by Gal66 on Wed, Mar 18, 2009, at 7:10 AM
  • That is simple for you to say but what about the elderly persons this affects who have trouble getting out, or the persons who live at the other end of the county that do not work in or near Marshall. You would complain as well if you were told you had to drive to Blackburn to change your address, or Marshall Jct.

    I do not believe that people are complaining because that is all they have to do. This is a major inconvenience for some.

    -- Posted by litlmissme on Wed, Mar 18, 2009, at 3:45 PM
  • My comment is that this is a county thing of the 911 why can't county offices communicate with one another. If other people, that we get mail from, already have our new address without us letting them know than I am sure that there is a way for the county offices to get the new address. Why can't when we go vote within the year, we change our addresses at the polling place? And to have to go to two offices that are 10 feet down the hall from one another seems rediculous -do people not talk to one another? Next we will have to inform the post office!!!!

    -- Posted by Pidge on Wed, Mar 18, 2009, at 4:26 PM
  • Watch out fellow Saline Countians.....Gal66 has her claws out!

    -- Posted by born-n-raised on Wed, Mar 18, 2009, at 5:49 PM
  • Thank you for the back up Pidge and littlemissme! Pidge - I was receiving some of my bills with my new address on them before I had even been informed what my new address was going to be. I agree with you - if the entities that I do business with can be informed of my new address before I am - why could the County government not be made aware also! And you are so right about having to make more than one stop at the Courthouse because the offices there can't communicate the information between each other?! littlemissme - you also make a good point about the elderly and other folks that either can't physically get to Marshall or don't have the extra money to come to town to do what a phone call should be able to accomplish. Its just too bad the folks at the Courthouse are too busy to deal with phone calls from the taxpayers. Why should the staff of the Courthouse be inconvenienced with taking phone calls when a large portion of the taxpayers in the County can be inconvenienced with a trip to the Courthouse during business hours to tell them something and give them a piece of paper. I don't want to move to town - what I want is to be able to make one phone call to a place that is supported by my tax dollars to change my address instead of having to try to get off of work, use my gas, drive to the Courthouse to hand two different offices a piece of paper!

    -- Posted by Typesetter on Wed, Mar 18, 2009, at 7:01 PM
  • I wanted to make a general comment on the story in yesterdays edition about Derick Samson and the cars that were shown (and won big) at the World of Wheels show in KC.

    I was able to attend the show and all of the cars he presented were stunning. The attention to detail was outstanding. Many folks may not really understand what it takes to build and show a car at this level. His cars were shown center stage and against the best. The awards they garnered proved that they belong among the best and he is talented young man with a bright future. Derick's creativity and attention to detail is trememdous.

    My point is, I often hear folks talk about how to keep young people here in Marshall. A builder with Derick's level of ability could take his talents to any shop in the nation, but he chose to stay here. If you know Derick or get a chance to meet him, give him a pat on the back and let him know how proud we are of him.

    Congrats Derick. Job well done!

    -- Posted by carguy on Wed, Mar 18, 2009, at 8:01 PM
  • I know for a fact that each office within the Courthouse works under a different set of Law. If you want to complain about having to visit more than one office or even the fact that you have to go in at all to take care of business all you have to do is look Southeast of here to Jefferson City. They make most of all the rules that each of those offices work under. Plus in the distant past Saline Countians decided to be a forth class county but to be governed as a second class county. That makes for some unusual law. So before you blame the Courthouse office holders you might just visit with them and they can let you know what they are up against. The State of Missouri is telling them what to do and the know-it-all citizens of the county are also telling them what to do. I don't know but it sounds like the Courthouse is somewhere between a rock and hard place.

    Remember folks lets not sweat the small stuff. Now about the 60k bathroom. If you (a man) have ever been caught needing a bathroom during one of the Marshall Municipal Band Concerts. Mr. Triban has to keep a look out so you can go to the bathroom so no ladies get offended with a man in the bathroom. It is a problem! It would be such a great help if there were a men's and women's bathroom down there. I don't know about the 60k but with all the ADA requirements I'm sure it would not be cheap!

    That is how I see it. My statement and $.50 will buy you coffee somewhere I think.

    -- Posted by salinemg on Wed, Mar 18, 2009, at 10:36 PM
  • The AIG mess is all caused by the desire not to let them go bankrupt. When comanies fail, bankruptsy is the normal result. Other companies will fill the void. Stop supporting ineptness! Others will fill the void. Imagine where we'd be if we had supported buggywhip companies in the late '20's! Let the free market sort out the losers and winners.

    Sure there will be some who get hurt but that's the way life is. I didn't have any investment in AIG but I do in some competitors so now I'm being punished for being right.

    How do you feel about paying "losers" a bonus for what they did? Unfortunately, there's not much the Obama group can do at this point.

    A very stupid move to bail them out!!

    -- Posted by White Tornado on Wed, Mar 18, 2009, at 11:59 PM
  • As a resident that lives outside city limits, I was bit put put off initially that the county couldn't communicate with the 911 commission regarding addressing. However, when I went to the courthouse to list our changes, the folks there were very helpful and it took all of thirty seconds. The Assessors office makes a copy the letter we all received and your done. I did ask if I needed to do anything else on this with the county and they cheerfully said "no". The license office offered to update my voter registration and this took a couple seconds.

    While I do feel that 911 was misrepresented by not spelling out true capabilities of the system itself, specifically the ability to locate a caller within 25ft of a cel phone, 911 is a good thing and it will make Saline County a better and safer place to live. For everyone inside or out of city limits. As with any major projects, there are going to be real challenges that aren't always anticipated. I for one am trying to be patient and realize the commission is trying very hard to the right thing

    -- Posted by carguy on Thu, Mar 19, 2009, at 7:49 AM
  • RE: On 90% Tax

    When the lawsuits start and are lost by this idiotic bunch of administration dummies, the payoff should come out of their pockets, not that of the American taxpayer. These are contracts and if the lawmakers, the administration and finally the President were dumb enough to sign off on these contracts without reading first, they deserve to be impeached....every single one of them. I'm starting to be really embarrassed by these incompetent politicians.

    -- Posted by Gal66 on Thu, Mar 19, 2009, at 10:42 AM
  • 13 Bailout Firms Owe $220M+ In Back Taxes


    And the plot thickens!

    Obama-Nation = abomination

    -- Posted by Maynard G Krebbs on Thu, Mar 19, 2009, at 10:50 AM
  • couldn't agree with you more gal66 ... sneak the bonus protection into the stimulus plan that they don't even read before voting on it ... how stupid and incompetent is that? and now they have the gall to fake anger over something that is their own screwup - can't blame this one on bush!

    welcome to the world of pelosi, reid, barney frank, tax cheat geithner and obama ...

    -- Posted by aikman8 on Thu, Mar 19, 2009, at 12:28 PM
  • I know.......I know.......100 days is a little too early for a big,fat...I TOLD YA SO

    -- Posted by GOCHIEFS on Thu, Mar 19, 2009, at 12:41 PM
  • Regarding AIG, Henry Greenberg, the former CEO of AIG, said a couple of nights ago that AIG officials have been playing a game of deception with the government in order to hide the activities of the financial division at the center of the problem. He also blames the government for its laissez-faire handling of the restructuring effort. Greenberg believes the failure would not have occurred if both sides had been forthcoming and had worked together to avoid what resulted. He went on to say that Bush made a critical error by giving Paulson autonomy to spend the $700 billion however he saw fit and then compounding the problem by not requiring ANY accountability for how the money was being used, by ANYONE receiving funds from that appropriation.

    Today it's being reported that certain members of the treasury department have known about the bonuses for over a month, but withheld the information from Geithner and the administration until March 10.

    It's looking more and more like the plans to deal with all the crises have been developed out of purposeful and accidental misinformation, and a general lack of appreciation for the seriousness of the events, beginning with the former administration and continuing into the current one. In every case the public has been kept in the dark, either because of ignorance or by design.

    In my opinion, Obama's team shares in the blame since it didn't demand proof/verification of any information being provided by the financial institutions. It's hard to understand how Geithner could be so surprised by some of the things that have happened considering his background.

    In hindsight we can say that everybody in government is to blame, but at the same time it's become clear that the smartest people aren't as smart as was needed in these times BECAUSE of the lack of tough regulations and people to insure that the rules were followed.

    In spite of everything, we continue to have the same petty bickering, backbiting B.S. going on EVERYWHERE - from Washington and throughout the country. It's THEIR fault! No, it's THEIR fault! Maybe the truth is, it's THE VOTERS fault for electing the same ones over and over again.

    I'm like the Pennsylvania congressman who said he's sick and tired of hearing Geithner use the excuse that he hadn't been informed every time some new outrage occurs. I'm sick and tired of hearing citizens and the elected people continuing to blame one side or the other.

    This is OUR country, and we need to be doing whatever we can to help instead of sitting around whining and engaging in the blame game.

    -- Posted by Slater on Thu, Mar 19, 2009, at 1:32 PM
  • The bonuses were corporate obligations of AIG with some employees. Had AIG gone bankrupt, the chances are 99-1 that a bankruptcy judge would have voided them. At issue is HOW the government could have avoided them being paid. How could the government, as merely an investor in AIG cause the corporation to honor or exclude certain obligations?

    Now, the Obama group looks pretty stupid, as they should. The "outrage" is just political posturing and will produce nothing but favorable impressions with folk who what to be favorable impressed with the Obama administration.

    Insurance companies are audited every 3 years by the State's insurance commissioner where they're chartered, typically along with 2 other states at the same time, I wonder if these audits need to be reviewed, along with the report to shareholder audits and opinion letters as well.

    -- Posted by Nonnymus on Thu, Mar 19, 2009, at 1:52 PM
  • Slater said

    "I'm sick and tired of hearing citizens and the elected people continuing to blame one side or the other."

    But Slater are you not doing the same thing?

    Just about everytime someone posts something that makes this administration look bad you have to bring up the Bush administration so is that not like the pot calling the kettle black?

    Myself I am not sure we don't need a 100% new house and senate ASAP

    -- Posted by Gal66 on Thu, Mar 19, 2009, at 2:06 PM
  • Yes, Gal66, I'm as guilty as everyone else. However I do believe that all sides are responsible for the mess, including the American people.

    Back in the earlier part of the 20th century, before the 1930s, the prevailing attitude of our society was one based on so-called rugged individualism, which equated to the belief that each person was responsible for herself/himself in the figurative sense. Family matters, such as how to care for aging parents/grandparents, were left to the family members, or volunteerism, if you want to give it a label.

    In the mid-1930s as the depression wore on with no end in sight and more and more people lacking the means to take of themselves and their families, the government passed the Social Security Act in 1935 (as we all know) with the immediate intent of providing a means for helpiing families take care of those who were unable to take care of themselves.

    Since that time we've witnessed a proliferation of social services interventions, some of which have been necessary and beneficial, and others which have been nothing more than a waste of taxpayer money.

    The short of this digression is that ALL PEOPLE, including those who have been elected to represent the masses, exhibit the behaviors and attitudes reinforcing our now-institutionalized dependency on government to take care of us, whether the chips are down or not.

    Although the gap between the middle- and upper-classes on the socio-economic scale has widened, the bottom 80-90% are increasingly frustrated due to the feeling of relative deprivation.

    Lots of reasons exist which help explain the current attitude of our society. Life is made easier by the advances in science and technology; better-paying jobs come with more education, and the list goes on. Advertisers tell us that we can have anything we want - it's a material world, so go out and get what you want. All of this, and the rest of it, the psychology of self-absorption, has made for a cushy lifestyle.

    Now, when the walls come tumbling down on the greed merchants, many of us are outraged for the wrong reasons. We want to place the blame on some part of our political structure, or one or two prominent members of Wall Street, or the out-of-step automaker bosses, when in fact it's a systemic failure where our very existence can be blamed. We've had nearly 75 years to work on bringing about these circumstances we find ourselve in today, and we have ourselves to blame for it.

    So, Gal66, you see that I'm looking in the mirror when I attempt to understand what's happened, and I realize it does little good to whine pitifully about my 401K and other vanishing material possessions, or to try and shift the blame to others.

    We have a choice - we can either be part of the problem, or we can be part of the solution.

    -- Posted by Slater on Thu, Mar 19, 2009, at 4:29 PM
  • Slater . . .Do you watch Glen Beck?

    -- Posted by litlmissme on Thu, Mar 19, 2009, at 7:22 PM
  • Well, Slater I got your back.....

    Was it not the Republican Congress during the first 6 YES Six years of the Bush administration in charge of congress.

    Gee Mr. Slater was correct!

    Then was it not the Republican Senate that had a veto proof majority during the Bush Adm so even if the last two years of the Bush League Years the Dems did not have a chance.


    Oh yea. I forget that it was Bushie and the Republicans who wanted to take all our civil liberities away and had the justice dept approve the legality of invalidating the first admenment to the constitution just to bring on a police state just after the emergency, 9/11/01.

    Republicans want a police state. They are afraid of freedom of the individual. Remember that Republicans only trust in the freedom of Capitalists to do what ever they want to do with our investments and tax loopholes. Just like that capitalists at AIG who took down the entire world economy to the brink of diaster. It is just a shame that we dems should want to help and float all boats......Maybe we should all go back to a quieter time..... I say!


    -- Posted by salinemg on Thu, Mar 19, 2009, at 7:53 PM
  • Little Miss, I don't know who Glen Beck is, but I'll guess that he's a columnist or radio talker. What does he stand for?

    Salinemg, at this stage I can't advocate for anarchy. As you said, the new administration has been at it only 50 days, far, far from enough time to see if the proposals have merit, but a fair number of citizens are disillusioned by current events and active protests could very well become an eventuality.

    -- Posted by Slater on Thu, Mar 19, 2009, at 8:17 PM
  • Little Miss, I've just been off reading a transcript of a conversation between Bill O'Reilly and Glenn Beck. I have to say here, the only person who comes to mind at this minute who I'd say is a bigger jerk than O'Reilly would be Newt Gingrich.

    O'Reilly's "quick" transcript of their talk makes it difficult to get a sense of how Beck thinks about the world, but I've read other "quick" transcripts from O'Reilly interviews, and they all seem to dovetail into a conservative vortex. Now wouldn't that be a surprise if I was right. :)

    Anyway, thanks for the resource.

    By the way, are you receiving mail with your new address on it before you even know what it'll be? I'm still thinking the 911 plan was copied from something someone picked up in Washington.

    -- Posted by Slater on Thu, Mar 19, 2009, at 8:50 PM
  • I think President Obama said it best on The Tonight Show With Jay Leno and it applies to this forum so perfectly.

    "Too many in Washington are trying to figure out who to blame for things -- when they should be focused on fixing them".

    -- Posted by hunterfisher on Thu, Mar 19, 2009, at 10:52 PM
  • Like Truman said, (The Buck stops here) Who was in office when all this started? And yes,we should find out if it was some kind of Conspiracy! Change all our Reps,in the Senate,and Congress.Get rid of all the,entrenched, conniving thinkers, that knows how to play the System! All there doing is playing a game of trying to make themselves look good to the Voters,There not taking care of the Peoples Business. Lets fool them this time, and Fire their A--! If we don't,nothing will be Fixed We have to give Obama some help, or we all lose!

    -- Posted by Jo on Fri, Mar 20, 2009, at 12:41 AM
  • Tim Geithner should resign now. He is an embarassment to the Obama administration, he is an embarassment to our nation.

    Chris Dodd should ask the Nation's forgiveness, and announce that he will not run for reelection in 2010.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Mar 20, 2009, at 12:42 AM
  • Glen Beck is a host of a radio show and the Glen Beck show on Fox. As far as I can tell, (I am new to getting involved in politics) Glen is not for either side. He is about what the people want. He has people on his show that tell the "what if's".

    Some of what he has been saying would happen is happening. It is very scary the path we are headed down.

    This last push of 1.15 trillion dollars into the economy I fear may be the straw that breaks the camel's back. I do remember the 70's, the gas wars. I remember how inflation took hold with only millions of dollars pushed into the economy. I can only imagine what the cost of a loaf of bread will be in ten years, after the most current dump of money. I can only imagine what the value of our dollar will be.

    All I know is I am scared of what my children and grandchildren will be seeing happen to our beloved country.

    -- Posted by litlmissme on Fri, Mar 20, 2009, at 9:28 AM
  • On the 911, yes I received 6 peices of mail yesterday that had the new address. This has been happening for over two weeks now, but I received my letter late last week informing me of the new address.

    I am going to the court house today while I am on vacation to change all the info.

    -- Posted by litlmissme on Fri, Mar 20, 2009, at 9:42 AM
  • I agree with what you're saying, litlmissme, but I'd hardly refer to $1.15 trillion as a piece "straw"! It's more like dropping a freight train on a camel!

    For some basic info about Glenn Beck (an independent American who leans Libertarian, as far as I have heard), follow this link:


    I can tell you he is conservative, (not a hard-right extremist by any means), but the kind of conservative who can see that both political parties are taking us to Hell in a handbag!

    -- Posted by "When the Music Plays..." on Fri, Mar 20, 2009, at 9:48 AM
  • -- Posted by "When the Music Plays...

    "both political parties are taking us to Hell in a handbag!"

    I could not agree with this statement!!!!

    -- Posted by Gal66 on Fri, Mar 20, 2009, at 10:04 AM
  • I for one am praying your right. In case you are not though I am preparing for my children and grandchildren's futures by planting fruit trees and teaching them how to grow vegetables, and animals. I am very thankful that I live on a farm that is paid for and have this ability.

    If I am wrong, at least they will be able to eat fresh foods if they choose to and have beautiful trees to look at, and fond memories of their crazy old grandma who thought the county was in trouble.

    If you are right, I will gladly eat a peice of humble pie! Only time will tell.

    -- Posted by litlmissme on Fri, Mar 20, 2009, at 11:23 AM
  • I agree, OKR. Dodd is an absolute joke, and, although Geithner is no doubt a bright person, he isn't acting like he's up to the task.

    Last night Obama said he wants to deal with the issues efficiently and timely and not end up jumping haphazardly from one problem to another, and, as HunterFisher said, he would be happiest to see the people in Washington stop trying to place blame for our problems and focus on fixing them. I had hope that we would see that happen, but I guess I should have known better. Washington politics have been characterized by infantile behaviors, and that continues unabated. No one up there cares about the country, only what they can stuff into their pockets. If they truly cared about America and its citizens, they'd stop acting like babies and get busy fixing things.

    I don't want to get started ranting again, so I'm going downstairs and pour myself a cup of coffee.:)

    -- Posted by Slater on Fri, Mar 20, 2009, at 11:24 AM
  • The two recent conversations about government negligence, incompetence, and out right stupidity and the talk about Mr. Glenn Beck seem to overlap a bit, so I thought I'd pull them both together.

    Go to http://theglennbeck912project.com/ and click in the "Featured Videos" section the video titled "Glenn explains AIG and why the bonuses were not the REAL problem."

    Very informative and very condemning of at least the last 15 years worth of politics. And while you're there, check out the mission statement and the premise of the 9.12 Project itself.

    Hoka Hay!

    -- Posted by Jacob Hatfield on Fri, Mar 20, 2009, at 12:07 PM
  • Jacob Hatfield

    Thanks for the link I have been listening to Glen for several months now and really feel he is on point.

    If anyone is discouraged/scared/disappointed about how things are going he gives answers on who to contact. There are links for every state.

    Plus, I have found some very interesting reading in some of his recommended books.

    I find his show very insightful.

    -- Posted by litlmissme on Fri, Mar 20, 2009, at 1:09 PM
  • Just a quick comment about the article on the front page of the newspaper today regarding building a new school. I don't think the voters turned down the bond issue in the past because they didn't want our children to have nice new facilities - I think a lot of people didn't like the location of where they wanted to put the school. The school board kept trying to cram the same location down our throats and that is why I think it didn't pass in the past. If the school board wants a new elementary campus they should possibly look for a different location more suitable to the voting public than the location they've tried to get us to pass the last few times we voted on this issue. Then maybe we voters might come around.

    -- Posted by Typesetter on Fri, Mar 20, 2009, at 4:09 PM
  • The end is near!!!.To many problems to overcome.The drug wars in the southwest is enough to do us in alone,every other country on the globe hates the usa,the economy,race problems.A person could go on forever.The party is on going on while the ship is sinking,that might be a good thing.Everybody plays devils advocate and my partys right and yours is wrong.Talk radio is fine but remember, thats how they make money, ratings keep them on. Many people hope for change we will get it.This will be my last post,moving to remote woods and live in 10x12 shed void of any modern technology except transistor radio for one year tell glenn, I will be listening.

    -- Posted by nancy007 on Fri, Mar 20, 2009, at 7:01 PM
  • With reference to Glen Beck's "independence" Nicolas Kristof of the New York Times had this to say about what we want when we search for information. "

    "That's because there's pretty good evidence that we generally don't truly want good information -- but rather information that confirms our prejudices. We may believe intellectually in the clash of opinions, but in practice we like to embed ourselves in the reassuring womb of an echo chamber."

    -- Posted by upsedaisy on Fri, Mar 20, 2009, at 10:03 PM
  • Kristof's comment makes perfect sense, considering the fact that a miniscule percentage of the talkers are qualified debaters.

    Thanks for sharing, Upsedaisy.

    -- Posted by Slater on Fri, Mar 20, 2009, at 10:18 PM
  • I think i have watch every Commentator on TV & Radio, and i think Olbermann & Maddow are the best, if you want all this Information broke down so the not so sharp intellect, like myself, can understand the complexity of this Bailout thing! It seems there is a lot of you, (Posting) that are aware of whats going on with the Economy!I like that,there are people who calls Country Folks unintelligent,Proud of ya! Speaking as a person who loves that town! So be objective and try MSNBC, OLBERMAN, & MADDOW, Show.

    -- Posted by Jo on Fri, Mar 20, 2009, at 11:51 PM
  • Jo,

    I would agree with you about Olbermann and Maddow. While I understand alot of people may not like thier left leaning style, at least they have the facts straight and if they don't they will admit it. You can't say that about FOX. I really like Racheal Maddow. She is calm, cool collected and really seems to be on top of the issues. Olbermann is more extreme but his show is specifically desinged to counter the Bill O''Reilly's and Rush Limbaugh's of the news as entertainment genre.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Sat, Mar 21, 2009, at 9:02 AM
  • Who has an opinion about the victims of Bernard Madoff's scam?

    Has anyone in the county been victimized, or does anayone know of someone who was a victim?

    -- Posted by Slater on Sat, Mar 21, 2009, at 3:25 PM

    By the way, Little Miss, I applaud your effort to teach the kids the benefits of self sufficiency.

    Others should follow your example.

    -- Posted by Slater on Sun, Mar 22, 2009, at 1:14 AM
  • So called Liberals do not all think alike, which is counter to what most so called Conservatives state on this blog. Want proof? Read the following commentary by Paul Krugman who disagrees with the Obama bail out plan. I also disagree with it. http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/03/21/more-on-the-bank-plan/#m

    Suppose that all Conservatives think alike. There is plenty of support for that supposition at the moment when consideration is given to the chorus of no, no, no, and not much more when the Obama plan is mentioned. I invite my conservative friends to disprove the hypothesis.

    Slater, in answer to your question regarding those scammed by "Made off", the initial response that popped into my head was it is hard to pity a fool, but nevertheless necessary. Upon reflection I have a mixed response running from disdain for some of them, similar to what I feel when someone gets scammed by a con artist because of those folk's over reaching greed; to sadness and pity for those poor people who only wanted to have a secure retirement, not get rich, but were screwed by financial advisers, or institutions that they trusted.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Mar 22, 2009, at 1:51 AM
  • Here comes another musical interlude to help lift the sagging spirits.

    Do I hear a 12-stringer in there? :)


    -- Posted by Slater on Sun, Mar 22, 2009, at 2:07 PM
  • Slater - The world is not whole without John & George. It is supposed to be a "feel good" song and it made me cry.

    -- Posted by broke-n-busted on Sun, Mar 22, 2009, at 2:30 PM
  • Broke n Busted, the sentiment is mutual.

    -- Posted by Slater on Sun, Mar 22, 2009, at 2:59 PM
  • While I'm in a reflective mood, here's one I can identify with:


    -- Posted by Slater on Sun, Mar 22, 2009, at 4:05 PM
  • What a lovely lady! She does us proud.

    -- Posted by Nonnymus on Sun, Mar 22, 2009, at 6:04 PM
  • OKR, you and I are in sync on the Madoff issue, except after I saw that the average investment with him was $1 million, I stopped feeling sorry for the greedy bastards. A fool and his money are soon parted.

    I do feel sadness and anger when I read or hear a report about a elderly person being conned out of what little money they might possess, BUT, they should know better, since the newspeople do a pretty good job of broadcasting that kind of story.

    As for the professor, I don't know what useful or practical information can be taken from his blog. It's more of what I've seen all along, where analysts, economists, "experts" can't seem to agree on the finer points of what can be done to right the ship. My conclusion is that all of them are being shown up, much like the weather people. It seems to be a guessing game and no one is able to predict with real accuracy how many fingers are needed to plug the dyke.

    One thing I do agree with is the assessment that the administration(s) didn't have enough of the right kinds of information to make the best decisions before acting, and the members of Congress are impervious to any hint of intellectualizing.

    I see just more of the same coming from the government - the tried and failed bandaid approach to problem-solving.

    But I try to do what Tavis Smiley says when he signs off - "...and as always, keep the faith."

    -- Posted by Slater on Sun, Mar 22, 2009, at 9:16 PM
  • Does anyone know the date of this spring's city wide clean-up where you can put extra stuff on the curb?

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Sun, Mar 22, 2009, at 10:06 PM
  • YeeHaw, no need to worry, unless you have more than $250,000. in any one account.

    -- Posted by Slater on Mon, Mar 23, 2009, at 12:00 AM
  • By the way, where on East Eastwood is the bridge that MoDot is talking about repairing/replacing? The only bridge I remember on Eastwood weren't actually on Eastwood, but on 240 highway over the Salt Fork river.

    -- Posted by Slater on Mon, Mar 23, 2009, at 12:08 AM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    The bridges are located just east of the north entrance to Indian Foothills Park. They provide the most direct connection between Marshall and Montague Hill.
  • Here is a column by conservative columnist Thomas Friedman, the son of President Reagan's economic guru Milton Friedman. His take is friendlier to President Obama's plight than many of the liberal columnists. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/22/opinion/22friedman.html?em

    On the other hand, here are two liberal columnists Frank Rich, and Maurine Dowd who pretty much rake President Obama's actions thus far over the coals.



    My question is what in the world is going on? Up is down, and down is up. Is it just that all of us are in a state of confusion, from those of us that toil with our hands, to those of us in the highest of stations?

    All of us that are interested in politics that post on this blog grouse about the current state of affairs, but few of us (myself included) state anything specific that we believe should be done to alleviate OUR mess. One exception to that is the erudite Libertarian, White Tornado who has made specific suggestions such as temporarily curtailing the income tax on payrolls. It is an idea with merit.

    There are others who post stating general philosophical/political opinions as to what direction we should travel, but never state what road we should travel to get there. Again, I include myself in that category.

    In my opinion, there are fine minds of every political persuasion that post on this blog. I am challenging each of you to state what specific step, or steps you believe should be taken to put OUR nation on the road to recovery, and why that step, or those steps will do so. Don't worry about the grammar, just say it. I for one will defend your ideas against the grammar police. We have bigger problems than grammar right now, so lets all tend to them. Don't worry about what your political party says, they darn sure haven't come up with enough pragmatic answers. Think for your self.

    As a Populist I believe that insulated Washingtonians, and the rest of the power establishment. are so deep in the forest that there is no way they can see the trees. I further believe that workable solutions are more likely to come from one or more of us out here in the grass roots where we can see clearly. If there was ever a time that we needed to send a message to Washington it is now. I don't know anyone who likes or trusts the messages that Washington is sending us. Please accept this challenge, our nation is in grave danger.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Mar 23, 2009, at 1:24 AM
  • Slater the bridge in east of the park entrance it is over the railroad tracks that run along the edge of the park.

    -- Posted by Gal66 on Mon, Mar 23, 2009, at 6:41 AM
  • Thanks, Editor Crump and Gal66. Those were the only bridges I could remember, and someone told me several years ago that they'd been closed, but I wondered at the ttime if people living on the east side were having to go up Montague Hill and connect with 240 to get back to Marshall.

    I was just remembering how narrow they are and all the scrapes and gouges in the concrete walls. In my early days of driving it was always a thrill to meet another vehicle on those bridges. :)

    -- Posted by Slater on Mon, Mar 23, 2009, at 11:21 AM
  • One thing I should think would be of very high importance is that if a company is finding itself in the position of laying people off, that company should be one of the first places to be given stimulus money, ONLY if it can be legitimized the reason for layoffs is the economy not large bonuses or misappropriations of funds.

    I second the fixation on the prices of food, however, that should not hinder the profits of farmers by backing up the food chain and making their goods worthless.

    Instead of the government making it easier to be in a union; unionized workers should be forced to take a pay cut to make their wages at least only a few bucks more than the non-unionized workers, therefore making the cost of producing goods much less, allowing the consumer to take advantage of the less costly goods.

    These are my ideas, for what they are worth.

    -- Posted by litlmissme on Mon, Mar 23, 2009, at 3:48 PM
  • Oklahoma Reader, I agree that whenever someone finds everything that's wrong in America that they should give some ideas on how to correct them.

    I used to say that if you want to stimulate the economy then give the money to the poor people,they will spend it. Nothing stimulates the economy than a stronger demand for goods and services. That doesn't necessarily hold true today. The poor people will still spend the money but most of what is bought will stimulate the economies of China, Japan, India, Honduras; you know what I mean. Thing purchased that are not manufactured in America will only benefit the retailer that sold it and the foreign nation that produced the product.

    Have you ever wondered why when Levi Strauss moved it's operation to the Dominican Republic to produce their product cheaper that the retail price never reflected the lower costs. Manufacturers today model their business plan on profit at any cost versus of providing jobs for the community and being a good corporate neighbor?

    -- Posted by John Q. on Mon, Mar 23, 2009, at 8:13 PM
  • JohnQ - About this: "Thing purchased that are not manufactured in America will only benefit the retailer that sold it and the foreign nation that produced the product."

    That's not quite true - sales of those items will also benefit the people employed by the retailer, the people involved in moving it around this country (shippers, railroads, trucking firms, etc.)and so on. Although I'd prefer that more products be manufactured here in the United States, to say the only benefit goes to the retailer and the foreign nation leaves out a very big number. Optimal for this country? No one would suggest that.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Mon, Mar 23, 2009, at 8:25 PM
  • Some good ideas on solving our economic woes have been posted. I hope you are making your ideas known to your representatives, senators AND POTUS. On 60 Minutes, Obama said that he picks, at random. ten letters per day to personally read in an effort to keep in touch with public opinion.

    Washington really is a bubble. Our elected representatives are on a gravy train with biscuit wheels. I refuse to call them leaders for I see very little leading, but much posturing and "fact-finding" after the damage has been done.

    -- Posted by upsedaisy on Mon, Mar 23, 2009, at 10:15 PM
  • I hadn't thought of it that way, Kathy. I agree it is harder and harder to buy American, but we've done it to ourselves in many ways. I have always made it my policy to buy only American made cars. However, it irritates me when, supposedly, the automobile workers for the Big 3 are making as much as $75 per hour including benefits as compared to $35 for American auto workers building foreign cars in the US. Recently, I heard a auto union rep who was being interviewed on TV say they deserve it and shouldn't take less. I don't get it! They'd rather lose their jobs when their companies are in danger of going under than take a reduction in pay to a reasonable salary.

    -- Posted by oneofmany on Mon, Mar 23, 2009, at 11:08 PM
  • Thank you to the patriots who have responded with their thoughts as to what we can do to pull our nation out of these economic doldrums. I hope to see more, because I know there are even more bright people out there whose ideas I, and I would bet many others, would like to see.

    How about a tax break for farmers who go the extra mile toward green farming practices? This subsidy would keep their products competitive with those whose only concern is to produce as much as possible as cheaply as possible with no concern for our environment, nor the health of the consumers of their products. It is likely such practices would be more labor intensive. If that is the case an extra break for those who must hire more labor to conform to superior product standards. More jobs. More products sold that are beneficial to the environment. Kelp for fertilizer? Just brainstorming, thinking of what might help my old county.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Mar 24, 2009, at 12:02 AM
  • Here are a some ideas.

    Stop all aid to impoverished nations until we have a zero budget deficit and we have zero homeless people in this country.

    Pay no kind of aid to illegal's they should not be here in the first place.

    Stop the money for nothing, if someone is on an aid program and is able to work then make them work, I don't care if it's picking up liter or sweeping streets.

    Give tax breaks to business's that hire new people

    -- Posted by Gal66 on Tue, Mar 24, 2009, at 7:09 AM
  • OKR, Krugman was on the Charlie Rose program last night, along with two other NY Times writers, Andrew Sorkin and Joe Nocera. They spent themselves railing about their perceptions of the "plan," and how it won't work, in part because private investors are too leery of the idea to start with.

    Following those three were two people representing private investors, and it was interesting how those two were saying just the opposite from the Times writers. One pointed out that the adminsitration's plan is moving on five fronts, it's (the plan) well-devised, and it's timely, and the government is in a good position to recover a significant amount of taxpayer dollars.

    The other guy talked about the newspeople trying to compare this situation to that which happened to Japan in the early 1990s and the RTC solution to the S&L scandal of the late 1980s, saying that there IS no comparision. During the savings and loan mess the government went in and took the securities without first attempting to place value on them, then sold off pieces at varying rates, with the end result being a decent return on taxpayer money. The current banking situation differs by the banks being unwilling to place values on the so-called toxic assets, since they would essentially end up pricing themselves out of business, which won't happen. He's strongly in favor of the current effort and agrees that it'll require modification as time goes on, but that it's well-formulated and puts the government in a good position to recover a substantial part of its investment.

    I've always said that newspeople, by and large, aren't expert in the fields they report, and the reporting of the present-day crisis only serves to support that contention. It can make for interesting reading, but vast quantities of concrete solutions won't be forthcoming from most of the ideas being expressed.

    Somewhere along the line we, collectively, have to begin trusting in the effort being put forth, as well as in the people crafting the plans. No one knows with real certainty if ANYTHING will make much difference, or ANY difference for that matter, but obviously only time will tell.

    So, this is my offering. Those people are a whole lot smarter than I am, along with having a birdseye view of things. I'm not so sure we would need to provide specific ideas or suggestions, other than to make it clear what the common man is experiencing through this. We can't expect our "representatives" to do much when they're consumed by the mistaken idea that their job is to politicize everything. As I said previously, their intellectualizing ability is barely perceptible, but they may begin showing signs of life if we threaten to withhold votes, which I believe is what we should be doing anyhow.

    -- Posted by Slater on Tue, Mar 24, 2009, at 10:16 AM
  • Dear Oklahoma Reader,

    As you probably guessed I would, I feel it necessary to address your comments.

    I certainly have no problem with "green" farming practices. However, usually when people talk about farmers producing "as much as possible as cheaply as possible with no concern for our environment, nor the health of the consumers" they often mean farmers who are not organic or those who only grow vegetables. For instance I have been called a "corporate farmer" and (my favorite) an "industrial model agriculturist." If you look at my latest blog entry, you will see I sure could have used my "corporate" workforce that day.

    As for organic, it may have it's place, but considering there are people in America who can't afford food as it is, I think it would be devastating to only encourage that type of farming.

    In order to have enough food "organically grown" we would need 48 million more farmers, according to most estimates. (Now there are less than 2 million.)

    I think encouraging people to plant their yards into gardens would be a better idea.

    While in "so-called industrialized farming" we have decreased soil loss, pesticide, fertilizer and water usage (here in Saline County, there is minimal, if any irrigation)- U.S. lawnowners have increased those things dramatically.

    In fact, according to the U.S. Fish and Wildlife service, homeowners use up to 10 times more chemical pesticides per acre on their lawns than farmers use on crops.

    The lawns in the United States consume around 270 billion gallons of water a week--enough to water 81 million acres of organic vegetables, all summer long. NASA's ecological forecasting research group reports that the people living in suburbia, alone, already water about 30 million acres of lawn, three times the land planted in irrigated corn.

    As for growing what consumers want, here is something to consider - most consumers want cheap. You have to look no further than last year's uproar over the increase in food prices (blamed erroneously on ethanol). Even with the increase, there wasn't more than 3 cents worth of corn in a $2.19 box of corn flakes.

    Also, people wanted leaner meat - that is one of the big reasons hog production went inside. (Too much backfat needed for outdoor hogs) BTW - carefully collected hog manure is a natural fertilizer.

    Now, a loud minority are clamoring for pasture raised beef. Fine, but it will take more land, cost more and probably be seasonal here in the U.S. Right now studies show Americans prefer corn fed beef. It is what we have been eating for over 100 years.

    There is one thing I know for sure, whatever consumers dictate, U.S. family farmers (which 98 percent of us still are) will adapt.

    -- Posted by Marcia Gorrell on Tue, Mar 24, 2009, at 12:20 PM
  • Oklahoma Reader:

    The farmers that I know would prefer not to use any more costly chemicals than necessary to raise a decent crop.

    In recent years there have been many farmers going back to spreading manure to lessen the cost of producing crops.

    There are many neighbors (as you have probably read) that do not want to smell the poo.

    Kelp, now that is interesting.

    I wonder how much that would smell as it rotted into the ground. In addition, I have not yet wrapped my head around how a farmer in the mid-west would purchase kelp. How kelp is harvested and what benefits it would have to the PH level of the soil, or what impact harvesting kelp would have on the environment.

    One other topic is salmanilla and ecoli. Organically grown produce has the potential to carry those diseases because the produce has been sprayed with organic products and not chemicals.

    Anyway, thanks for the chuckle I got at my vision of a dump truck of kelp being placed at the end of a dirt road and a farmer walking up taking off his baseball cap, scratching his head, and saying to himself if this is what America wants. . . .

    -- Posted by litlmissme on Tue, Mar 24, 2009, at 3:57 PM
  • Woody Holton, has written a book, Unruly Americans and the Origins of the Constitution (Hill and Wang/Farrar, Straus & Gioux),which is among this year's National Book Award nominees in Nonfiction.

    Might be a good read for people who think they aren't smart enough to offer an opinion on current affairs.

    "Woody Holton upends what we think we know of the Constitution's origins by telling the history of the average Americans who challenged the framers of the Constitution and forced on them the revisions that produced the document we now venerate. The framers who gathered in Philadelphia in 1787 were determined to reverse America's post--Revolutionary War slide into democracy. They believed too many middling Americans exercised too much influence over state and national policies. That the framers were only partially successful in curtailing citizen rights is due to the reaction, sometimes violent, of unruly average Americans.

    If not to protect civil liberties and the freedom of the people, what motivated the framers? In Unruly Americans and the Origins of the Constitution, Holton provides the startling discovery that the primary purpose of the Constitution was, simply put, to make America more attractive to investment. And the linchpin to that endeavor was taking power away from the states and ultimately away from the people. In an eye-opening interpretation of the Constitution, Holton captures how the same class of Americans that produced Shays's Rebellion in Massachusetts (and rebellions in **** near every other state) produced the Constitution we now revere.

    Woody Holton is an associate professor of history at the University of Richmond and the author of the award-winning book Forced Founders: Indians, Debtors, Slaves, and the Making of the American Revolution in Virginia.

    Fans of MSNBC will recognize Larry J. Sabatino's name at the end of this comment.

    "Move over, Founding Fathers. It turns out that average Americans from the 'unruly mob' had more to do with insuring the personal liberties we Americans now hold dear than did the Framers we so revere. Woody Holton's fascinating and energetic new book makes us take a fresh look at the Constitution, especially the Bill of Rights. The populist underpinnings of our Republic are real, and this has clear implications for the role that citizens ought to play today in reforming American democracy. Holton's lesson: If the establishment won't change the system, the people can. They've done it from the beginning." --Larry J. Sabato, Director, Center for Politics, University of Virginia

    -- Posted by upsedaisy on Tue, Mar 24, 2009, at 6:12 PM
  • littlemissme: I love Google - here's what I found on kelp fertilizer. Turns out it's true, there really IS nothing new under the sun:


    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Tue, Mar 24, 2009, at 9:02 PM
  • Marcia I am sorry that I did not write clearly enough to express my intent. I certainly did not mean my post to be a swipe at traditional farming practices. At the moment I am focused on the positive, looking for what might be good for our economic system, i.e. putting people to work in new jobs that can be sustained into the future, and at the same time improve our environment, and/or our infrastructure. Tax breaks are an available carrot to reward those innovators that meet those requirements.

    For instance, those farmers (traditional or otherwise) who take a bit of a gamble to make practical application of the results of cutting edge agricultural research based on ecologically sound theory should be rewarded with a tax break for trying to make things better. That is the antithesis of giving tax breaks to those corporations that flee to the Caymans.

    Speaking in general (not to you Marcia), I have seen some suggestions with which I did not particularly agree. As the intent of the challenge was to urge people to present their ideas I feel it would be counter productive to snipe at those ideas, laugh at them, or deride them in any manner. I am hopeful that others will adopt that attitude, and if they post on the topic at hand will offer their own sincere thoughts as to what will help all America, and not waste their own time poking fun at others.

    By the way Marcia, what do you think would be of benefit to help our country get back on its feet? Do you think it would create too big a stink to harvest oversupplies of carp, and other rough fish from our rivers to be turned into fish emulsion for fertilizer? I am also wondering if pond scum a.k.a.spiro gyra, (algae) which smothers our ponds, sloughs, and lakes in the summertime has nutritional value that could be utilized as fertilizer with as much effect as kelp at coastal agricultural operations?

    I have enjoyed reading, and reflecting upon all the suggestions. I hope to see more. Saline County's best product is its people both those that have been shipped elsewhere, and those that have stayed in the local market.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Mar 25, 2009, at 12:37 AM
  • Dear OKR,

    I applaud your search for solutions.

    I apologize if I jumped too soon, I'm afraid as a farmer I am a little sensitive these days. It seems everytime we turn around modern farming is being blamed for something-often things beyond our control. The other day searching something else, I ran across a blog that said, "Get rid of cows - the real source of Global Warming." - and the person was serious!! Geez!

    As for fertilizer, I haven't done enough research on kelp or carp use. I would say, probably like energy, we need to diversify sources. The biggest problem with using anhydrous and other manufactured fertilizers is that they are not being made in the U.S.

    I still believe manure is the most natural and renewable fertilizer, although it causes problems with neighbors who don't like the smell. However, rotting fish probably would not be popular with neighbors either!!

    As for more jobs with "greener" farming. I wonder if those are the kind of jobs Americans want? Right or wrong, it doesn't seem like labor intensive jobs like hoeing weeds are real popular right now??

    I am certainly not smart enough to know what would work to help our economy, but I did see a statistic that showed after WWII, our national debt was bigger (percentage wise) than it is now, when compared to the country's Gross National Product. It made me feel better.

    I really would like to see us get back to manufacturing things here in the U.S.and buying those items.

    I also think buying local foods or local products altogether is a very good idea. That is a big push on the West Coast. However, I'm always surprised when I get off the plane to visit my siblings in Portland, Oregon. The people there are very big on buying locally, however the first thing I notice is that few people there drive American made cars. I wonder why that is?

    I applaud Michelle Obama for planting a garden. I think that is something more Americans can do to stretch budgets, teach children about hard work and eat better foods.

    My father, a sign maker in KC, just thinks people (especially the press) need to be quiet about the economy, because it "is fine, and they are just scaring people!" He is tired of people "waiting to see about the economy" before they buy signs.

    I don't think there is one answer - or easy answers.



    -- Posted by Marcia Gorrell on Wed, Mar 25, 2009, at 10:36 AM
  • Could someone please explane to me how a budget that has a deficit of 1.4 trillion dollars is a good thing for this county?

    -- Posted by Gal66 on Wed, Mar 25, 2009, at 2:22 PM
  • Give it a break Cosa Nostra your a broken record!

    -- Posted by Gal66 on Wed, Mar 25, 2009, at 2:23 PM
  • we are due for the don't write a novel on the wall post from you Mr. Crump....

    -- Posted by SalineFire on Wed, Mar 25, 2009, at 3:08 PM
  • Gal66, the budget and the deficit are two different items. The budget is the amount the government expects to spend during the coming fiscal year (which begins, I believe, October 1 of each year), whereas the deficit is the difference between the amount of money coming in through normal sources (taxes) and the amount actually spent.

    Since the start of the Bush administration, the government spent $1.4 trillion more than it collected - hence the deficit.

    The White House proposed budget is somewhere around $400 billion for the coming fiscal year, beginning October, but Congress is developing its version presently, and we'll see what their proposal will be.

    Until now, only the government could spend more than it made, but the banks have been doing the same thing for the past few years, essentially since the deregulation of 1999.

    -- Posted by Slater on Wed, Mar 25, 2009, at 3:14 PM
  • I am sorry. I meant no offense. I was raised on a farm and have a degree in Agriculture. I just found humor in the thought of my brother or my dad looking at a truckload of kelp and not having a clue what to do with it.

    I do agree that there should be more organic fertilizers out there to replace the more costly and dangerous ones that are available now.

    Some more ideas I have are to eliminate corporate taxes, this would stimulate growth in the corporate sector.

    No more earmarks! The senate and congress work for us they should make $1.00 a year as Mr. Liddy does of AIG.

    A flat tax for every one.

    Stop the bailouts. Companies that make bad decisions should be allowed to fail and let the strong survive.

    Stop welfare for able-bodied persons; let them work at a food pantry, clean up litter on the side of the road. Give some of them a labor-intensive job and I think they would be looking for one that is better suited to their taste. Get rid of the entitlement theory, earn a living.

    Again my apologies, I did not mean to belittle your ideas.

    -- Posted by litlmissme on Wed, Mar 25, 2009, at 3:55 PM
  • One last idea is that if an idividual were to decide to install a wind turbine. 98% should be subsidised by government grants, if a corporation installs one (or many), they should be given insentives based on the ammount of electricity they are saving by not using fossel fuels. Lastly, if a farmer lets just say on his CRP land installs one (or many), the farmer should be able to receive 98% of the money invested.

    -- Posted by litlmissme on Wed, Mar 25, 2009, at 4:11 PM
  • Report on Missouri Banks http://www.missouri-finance.org/Contribute%20Documents/December2008abstract.pdf

    Can you do an article on Saline COunty, Marshall banks? OR is there one in the mix???

    -- Posted by CWilli on Wed, Mar 25, 2009, at 4:25 PM
  • CWilli: You can go to this website for more information on the condition of an individual bank or many banks in a particular area:


    Click on "Uniform Bank Performance Report Data" towards the bottom of the page to get a search parameter screen for individual banks or banks by county or other criteria.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Wed, Mar 25, 2009, at 5:32 PM
  • littlemissme, you raise some good points. Your position on welfare is popular among many, although I think it's important to remember that minimum wage paying jobs still place people in the poverty level. Also, I'm curious how you feel about farm subsidies? Isn't that welfare, too? I disagree about eliminating corporate tax, I think if you put more money in corporate hands it doesn't create more jobs, it just lines their pockets, ala AIG. I do really like the flat tax idea, as long as their is some provision that doesn't allow anyone to hide their money in overseas accounts to avoid paying.

    -- Posted by born-n-raised on Wed, Mar 25, 2009, at 5:37 PM
  • I hardly mean to do away with welfare. Just make it so if you are able bodied and are applying for welfare here is a list of jobs, pick one and you can earn your welfare check. If you don't like that well there is the door.

    I fully understand how difficult it is to feed a family on minimum wage and agree. My only point is if you are not willing to work and are able to; don't expect a free ride.

    As far as farm subsidies, well I am prejudice when it comes to farmers, and I had better plead the 5th or be ran off the blog!

    -- Posted by litlmissme on Wed, Mar 25, 2009, at 6:24 PM
  • any thoughts on the new vice-principal at Marshall H.S.?

    -- Posted by momaster on Wed, Mar 25, 2009, at 8:26 PM
  • Obviously momaster you want to talk about the new vice-principal at MHS so why don't you start the conversation?

    Tell us your thoughts.

    Or are you just trying to stir things up?

    -- Posted by Gal66 on Thu, Mar 26, 2009, at 8:49 AM
  • I appreciate your stance on subsidies, littlemissme, but can you (or anyone) explain the necessity to me? I truly don't understand how the farm subsidy program works. When I see that farmers are being paid more than I make working full-time all year not to farm a parcel of ground, it bewilders me. I certainly acknowledge that I know virtually nothing about the program, so my viewpoint may be very skewed. Someone enlighten me, please.

    -- Posted by born-n-raised on Thu, Mar 26, 2009, at 1:09 PM
  • born-n-raised: Here's some info on what subsidies are and how they work:


    If you google it, you'll find a wealth of information on both sides of the question of whether they are good or bad, but this one isn't biased in either direction, at least as far as I can see.

    They're certainly not a new phenomenon.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Thu, Mar 26, 2009, at 1:26 PM
  • This site is known for stirring things up Gal66.

    -- Posted by momaster on Thu, Mar 26, 2009, at 2:00 PM
  • Thanks for the info, Kathy. I will check it out.

    -- Posted by born-n-raised on Thu, Mar 26, 2009, at 2:07 PM
  • Just wanted to put my two cents in on the farm subsidies debate.

    I'm the first to admit that there are some loopholes that need to be closed, but if we throw out the baby with the bathwater we'll all be in trouble.

    Politicians like to pat themselves on the back that they're in touch with the common man because they know the price of a gallon of milk, or a loaf of bread. But none of them have a clue as to the input costs to the producers in order for them to get that gallon of milk or loaf of bread.

    Subsidies are just what the name implies. They subsidize the producers. If producers have to sell their crops/products for what it costs to produce those crops/products, the price of milk, bread and everything else we eat would be twice as much. In the US, the average household spends 10 percent of their income on food. In most European countries it's 25 percent. A good portion of that discrepancy is that the US subsidizes farmers. We make up the difference in what it costs to produce and what is a price that Americans can afford to pay.

    If it costs producers more to produce than they can get at sale time, producers go under. Not only do they join the ranks of the unemployed, but the supply will diminish, but not the demand. Making the price consumers pay go through the roof.

    Setting a limit on sales in order to be eligible for subsidies like the Obama Administration wants to do is disasterous. Farmers don't farm a quarter section or half section of land anymore. They can't make it on that. We have fewer farming operations that are farming lots more acreage. It won't be hard for large operations to have 500K in sales. But the input costs, what it costs them to raise the crops, could be pretty close 500K too, leaving the farmer barely breaking even. A much better, fairer way to tweak farm subsidies would be to make sure payments go only to producers, the ones that bare the costs, not land owners who collect lease monies.

    As for farmers not working full time/year round, the 15 to 18+ hour days they put in when the timing/weather is right more than evens out to 40 hours a week/52 weeks a year. Believe me, farming is a full time job, and then some.

    -- Posted by Reader101 on Thu, Mar 26, 2009, at 11:30 PM
  • YeeHaw: Your figure of 10 percent on an income of $58,370 means those two people would spend close to $500 per month on food. That's actually quite a lot of food, at just over $16 per day. You wouldn't have to eat poorly for that at all - my husband and I certainly eat well on less.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Fri, Mar 27, 2009, at 7:23 AM
  • Thank you Reader101 and YeeHaw for shedding some more light on the subsidy program. After doing some research on my own, I'm still not sure which side of the fence I'm sitting. I understand the need to drive food costs down, but it seems like the government has created a monster here. On one website it listed that Saline County farmers took in over 152 million dollars in subsidies in 2006. Aren't we really paying higher food costs, disguised as taxes? Here is the link where I found this info: http://farm.ewg.org/farm/top_recips.php?fips=29195&progcode=total&yr=2006

    -- Posted by born-n-raised on Fri, Mar 27, 2009, at 8:13 AM
  • Born n raised,

    You asked, "Aren't we really paying higher food costs, disguised as taxes?"

    Some might say yes, but In Europe and some other industrialized countries, farmers are subsidized at a much higher rate - but consumers there still pay up to 3 times more for food. Because they are supported at such a high rate, those farmers have stayed smaller and are more diversified. Consumers there complain about supporting the farmers at both ends.

    The premise of the U.S. farm program has not been to benefit individual farmers, but to instead insure a safe and steady supply of food for the American people. In that, it has been a great success. As has been stated, Americans pay less of their take home pay on food than any other country, 10 percent.

    Looking at yearly subsidy rates, it looks like a lot of money, but if it were that lucrative, then why don't more people farm, or why don't farm women stay home and live off the subsidies?

    The truth is more often than not, the subsidy money has made a difference between losing money and making a little. Farming is a very high cost (a new combine with heads can cost over $500,000), but low margin (profit) business. If you look around Marshall, you'll see that many of our businesses are here because of farmers. It seems that money gets spread around very well.

    Here is something else I find interesting. In the next 5 years, direct payments to U.S. farmers are expected to total $40 billion or about $8 billion a year (down from previous farm bills).

    In contrast, EVERY year U.S. homeowners and businesses spend $45 billion in lawn care, and unless you're a cow - you can't eat your lawn.

    -- Posted by Marcia Gorrell on Fri, Mar 27, 2009, at 10:39 AM
  • I feed my family of 4-my husband and myself and a 13 year old and 11 year old on about 75-100 dollars a week. We eat well, try to eat healthy and my kids snack regularly on fresh fruits and veggies. We also buy our share of junk food. I try to adjust what I cook for dinner throughout the week according to what is on sale. I am pretty savvy at only buying things on sale. i.e. meat, pasta, fresh fruit and veggies. The shopping ads sent out weekly are a lifesaver! We always eat a pretty good assortment of foods. I also try to buy enough staples to last until the next time it goes on sale. I have learned your basic staples rotate and are on sale an average of every 6-7 weeks. I totally understand some people cannot afford to do this.I also don't take part in the hype that name brand is always best. You can get many good quality items in the Great Value or Equate brand at Wal-Mart, or the Best Choice items at Patricia's. Aldi also carries many great things. I try to stay away from smaller off brands, just because I have found some of them to be right out yucky. There are ways to save money and still eat healthy. You just have to do a little bit of homework. I personally think that estimating 10% of your income is spent on food is a bit inflated.

    -- Posted by sapphireslipper on Fri, Mar 27, 2009, at 1:45 PM
  • Mrs. Gorrell do livestock farmers get subsidies?

    How about farmers that grow nuts from trees or fruit farmers or vegetable farmers?

    If not do you think that is fair?

    You know Mrs. Gorrell really I don't have a problem with subsidies for farmers I just think if some cash crops get them they all should.

    -- Posted by Gal66 on Fri, Mar 27, 2009, at 1:46 PM
  • Gal 66,

    I understand what you are saying and there are certainly people who agree with you.

    I always wonder why vegetable and fruit grower's groups don't lobby for that, surely they could be as powerful as corn growers or soybean grower groups? From what I've been told it is because they don't want subsidies - they would make less money and have more government controls. Also most vegetables are grown on contract, which means a set price is agreed to in advance.

    As for livestock farmers, the conventional thought is that they can take advantage of cheaper sources of feed in soybeans, corn and wheat, because of the subsidies. Once again, livestock groups also have large lobbies and they don't seem to be clamoring for subsidies.

    BTW- farms have been subsidized since 1933. While programs have changed, the concept is not new.

    Sapphire slipper - the 10 percent is an average and actually would be a higher percentage of a family with a lower income. It also includes dinners eaten outside of the home, which account for a bigger portion of people's incomes. Despite what some think I have found source after source stating it is cheaper to cook a well rounded, healthy meal at home, than to eat out, even at a fast food restaurant. It's just not as easy and I am guilty of it myself.

    -- Posted by Marcia Gorrell on Fri, Mar 27, 2009, at 2:46 PM
  • Marcia, I really appreciate your thoughtful response to my question. Thanks.

    -- Posted by born-n-raised on Fri, Mar 27, 2009, at 6:23 PM
  • A few more thoughts on the farm subsidy debate.

    Farming is a business, and just like any other business, if it costs you more to produce your product than you can sell your product for, you don't stay in business. Food is a necessity, not a fad or current craze. The demand will not dimish. If farmers go under, the supply does dimish, meaning prices go up, fast.

    At this time, we have fewer people directly involved in raising crops and livestock in this country than ever before. Just go back and read the all articles on Saline County Century farms and look at how many are not being farmed by the families that own the land. The land is being leased to other people to do the actual farming. Farming is an expensive proposition. It's too cost prohibitive to run a small operation, so we have fewer, but larger operations. On the flip side, the larger the operation, the more costs incurred by the farmer.

    If we allow fair market value to determine what prices farmers are paid, rather than make up the difference between cost to produce and what we can afford to pay, we'll see many farmers go under and food costs soaring.

    And, if we do away with subsidies, does anyone really think the government will return that money to the taxpayers, or will they spend it on something else? So, we would still be paying the same amount of taxes, but our food costs would go way up, meaning we're spending even more of our income on food.

    -- Posted by Reader101 on Fri, Mar 27, 2009, at 11:54 PM
  • Reader 101 I would like to respond to your assumption that subsidies should not go to landowners that they should only go to the producers. Well considering that farm ground is going for $7000 per acre in Malta Bend I believe that landowners should get part of those subsidies. Landowners get part of the subsidies because they take part of the risk. As Marcia pointed out that it takes a couple of thousands of acres to support to make a living with conventional row crops. A landowner depending on their participation in the farm operation will or will not get subsidies. If the landowner is "paid" in a share of the crop but had to pay for their share in the costs of production then they get a share in the subsidies. If they get a rent check from the farmer and do not share in the costs/profits of production are not eligible for a subsidies.

    I regret the depiction that many farmers are lazy and alcoholic. If you are lazy and alcoholic you will not be able to balance the work load, managing the work on 1500-2000 acres plus making sure your operation can pay for about 1.5 million in equipment assets. Plus making sure you are in compliance with EPA/DNR regulations, USDA regulations, Technology trait contractural responsibilities as well as worrying about controlling livestock to say the least about managing odors. Any person who has alcoholism is not going to be at the top of their game be they newspaper reporters, accountants, lawyers, teachers or farmers. Alcoholism is a disease and needs to be treated as such. Any business that is not being run properly will eventually fail. Why is it that we always assume that a person who because of the flexibility of their job may not work 9-5 is lazy? Or why is it that we always assume that a person is an alcoholic if they have a beer or drink in the afternoon even if their day ended early because of their flexible schedule. Or maybe it is OK to have a martini or margarita at lunch and go back to work impaired. But God forbid a farmer who cracks open one while out in a field or back at his/her shop is an alcoholic. I believe that these rash judgments are not based on the complete picture. Plus sometimes I think that we need to mind our own business....and get back to work!

    -- Posted by salinemg on Sat, Mar 28, 2009, at 11:35 AM
  • In my Ag economics class, we had to work out a scenario in which farm subsidies were phased out over a ten-year period. Every team found that the cost of food would go up 300%, or more with in a five-year period after the last subsidy was gone. We had to follow a dozen eggs, a gallon of milk, and a loaf of bread. It has been a while since that class; but I remember the dozen of eggs price in my study was over $5.00. (The beginning cost was $.75 a dozen)

    The scariest part of that analogy though is that our study was based on the prices of fuel remaining at the same cost it was then. In addition, the study found that over half of the farmers in the first two years went out of business. I wish I would have kept all that info now, but I did not.

    -- Posted by litlmissme on Sun, Mar 29, 2009, at 9:53 AM
  • Katie bar the door - this could get ugly.

    -- Posted by broke-n-busted on Sun, Mar 29, 2009, at 2:41 PM
  • notgvnasht

    You've got to be kidding. You obviously don't know the first thing about farming and you should not speak of things you have no clue about. They only work 6 months a year? Really? Who do you think is going to buy that line of bull? I've never lived on a farm in my adult life but I was raised on one. I was driving a tractor by the age of 10. I would go with my father in the middle of winter to chop ice so the cows would have something to drink and made sure they had plenty to eat. I would get up in the middle of the night with him when the cows were calving or the pigs were giving birth to make sure everything went alright and if it didn't, intervene the best you could in order to save a life. My grandfather and father both drove old, used trucks until the day they died. You often rob from Peter to pay Paul when times are bad. When times are good,if you're smart,you save because you know next year could be a completely different story. All I can do is shake my head in disbelief when I hear such ignorance.

    -- Posted by JustFYI on Sun, Mar 29, 2009, at 2:44 PM
  • Notgvnasht

    I do not know any farmer that only works 6 months a year, even someone who only row crops. In the off-season is when the farmer is checking over his equipment and welding what needs to be fixed, doing some necessary bull dozing, or putting in tile. If a farmer is lucky, he starts, the season in March, some times as last year with the rain it was later but the crop doesn't come out until October, and there is still fall work to do on the terraces.

    Most farmers are diversified, and have more than just row crops. If you have, animals let me tell you that is a 365 day a year job. They are fed if you are sick, if there is a death in the family, if it is raining, if it hot or freezing out side.

    In my case we grew up on a dairy farm we got up every morning at 3:00am went and milked cows left the dairy to run home and shower and jump on the school bus. After a day at school, we got off the bus at the dairy and stayed there until the milking was done about 21/2 hours and then cleaned the barn. Then scooped poop and bedded the animals for the night. Then stopped at the farrowing barns (we also had pigs) fed them, checked on the moms to make sure all was well. Then and only then about 7:30pm did we go in the house to eat our dinner, do our homework and get to bed.

    In the summer time, we spent the days walking beans. Have you ever done that job? How about bucking straw bales when it is 90 degrees outside. I doubt it or you would not assume that farms are passed down for free, trust me almost every kid that is raised on a farm that has inherited it has earned their keep.

    About the new trucks, well some have new trucks. If you know anything about farming (LOL), farming with out a truck is like typing with out a key board it does not happen!

    One last point I have never met a farmer that wished to have a bad crop so they could get help!

    -- Posted by litlmissme on Sun, Mar 29, 2009, at 6:18 PM
  • is there any news on yesterdays fire?

    -- Posted by marshallite on Mon, Mar 30, 2009, at 8:47 AM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    We're working on the story now.
  • Hey, Notgvnasht you Notgotaclue---- If you think that inheritance is a easy beans then you are wrong and way off base. The inheritance tax alone darn near makes you buy it all over again generation after generation. You can have the best attorney, the tightest will but Uncle Sam gets his part. Even great estate planning cannot protect the payoff that Uncle Sam gets first.

    Thus, farm subsidy does help offset to a certain extent but not totally. There is constant upkeep and not only those brought on by Mother Nature. There is the every day wear and tear a home, an out building, a fence, a terrace, and you can list them for a long time.

    Give it a rest or know what you are talking about. These farmers do not own the land, it owns them, they "Thank Goodness" tend it for the rest of us. Whether a vegetable garden, flower garden, row crop, or whatever. They are only the tenders. There is more ownership to the land of the person caring for it than there is of the person owning the land.

    -- Posted by SnapThis on Mon, Mar 30, 2009, at 1:36 PM
  • Ghost hunters were hired to look for ghosts at the courthouse? That is the word on the street.

    -- Posted by SecretAgentMichaelScarn on Mon, Mar 30, 2009, at 6:32 PM
  • today's stupid ridiculous thought is ... why is it everytime i go in our wonderful local walmart, home of the security beeps that go off in the grocery section constantly (they seem to have solved that finally), why is it that every single time i've been in there the last month (and i'm usually there just about daily for some stupid reason or the other), the middle water fountain/faucet between the bathrooms in the front of the store, ALWAYS seems to be stuck in the "on" position, pouring out a stream of water constantly minute after minute, hour after hour. what's that costing walmart, and in turn, what's that costing us?

    c'mon goldammer, can you fix this too? you seem to be slipping in your job.

    -- Posted by aikman8 on Tue, Mar 31, 2009, at 1:23 AM
  • I think the first line of the post says it all.

    -- Posted by hunterfisher on Tue, Mar 31, 2009, at 6:51 AM
  • Scarn: I think this is what the "street" is referring to:


    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Tue, Mar 31, 2009, at 11:16 AM
  • YeeHaw, here's the reason that story you posted isn't getting the publicity it would if it had been, say, Sarah Palin's daughter:

    From an interview on MSNBC's Morning Joe with Joe Scarborough:

    CHRIS MATTHEWS: "Yeah, well, you know what? I want to do everything I can to make this thing work, this new presidency work, and I think that --"

    JOE SCARBOROUGH: "Is that your job? You just talked about being a journalist!"

    MATTHEWS: "Yeah, it is my job. My job is to help this country."

    SCARBOROUGH: "Your job is the make this presidency work?"

    MATTHEWS: "To make this work successfully. This country needs a successful presidency."

    This coming from a "journalist" who railed on how the Bush Administration had to be "held accountable" for America's current situations. I rest my case.

    -- Posted by "When the Music Plays..." on Tue, Mar 31, 2009, at 11:43 AM

    -- Posted by 1OFTHEGALS on Tue, Mar 31, 2009, at 11:57 AM
  • Yee Haw- have you ever thought the reason this hasn't been a serious issue is because it happened in the 1999/2000 school year? Since 2000, Bush has had a daughter arrested for a drug offense. If we're going to go back at least 9 years for dirt, why was it never an issue to you that W snorted coke in college? He was actually the son of a president AND the president. It would be nice to see your opinions/mistakes in 2000 and see if your outlook has changed since then. When the music plays... kind of a silly response for why no one is mentioning Biden's daughter, wouldn't you think? (even though since yeehaw provided a link and we're all aware of the issue, obviously we all HAVE been exposed to this and none of us care what mistake his daughter made- just like most didn't care about Bush's daughter's mistake) I believe Sarah Palin was 'preaching' realtime about the ills of premarital sex and problems with youth pregnancy WHILE she was running for office WHILE her daughter was pregnant- not 9 years ago. As far as Chris Matthews, he is on MSNBC and he wants a liberal to succeed. How is that any different than Shawn Hannity bashing plans from Pres. Obama that were doomed for failure- 30 DAYS INTO OFFICE?! Let's all use the grey matter that God gave us and realize these people are trying to put food on their table with ratings. The important issues are presented by the President and his staff only and you are just as capable to form your OWN opinions that will not follow an agenda such as MSNBC or FOX news. Will it save your job knowing that VP Biden's daughter did some coke in college? Will you be free of terrorism if W's daughter is sent to prison for 20 years? Do you REALLY care about these trivial issues in your life that have nothing to do with the country or how it's run?

    -- Posted by er on Tue, Mar 31, 2009, at 12:17 PM
  • Bravo er!!! I agree 110%! GREAT post!

    -- Posted by jl32320 on Tue, Mar 31, 2009, at 12:31 PM
  • oh yea like you never used drugs in college come on now bush is not to blame for this economy neither is obama clinton is to blame just back off bush he was a good president did what he had to to keep us safe

    -- Posted by n2deep22 on Tue, Mar 31, 2009, at 1:52 PM
  • ???? You went to college? Did your college tell you where a period is located in sentence structure or where Afghanistan was on a map? Apparently, Bush's didn't either. The reason Bush kept the country 'safe' was because our country hasn't been invaded from foreigners since Pearl Harbor, not because he did a great job at 'keeping them away'. 9/11 was the ONLY successful terrorist attack since Pearl Harbor (and on Bush's watch). I'm missing all these other attacks that Bush thwarted. Was it Oklahoma City? No, that was an American citizen and not during the Bush admin. Was it the Atlanta olympics? No, that was an American citizen and not during the Bush admin. Can you give me examples of when these successful foreign terrorists attempts took place in the past that Bush has improved upon? Trust me, it didn't have anything to do with Iraq and neither did 9/11.

    -- Posted by er on Tue, Mar 31, 2009, at 2:59 PM
  • Their are still People who think that Moron, Bush is a great Guy? You must be a poor judge of Character, Or you've been living in box! Sorry, this is an Opinion of mine , not up for debate! But this Man needs to be Prosecuted! And i think there will be some action on this subject! Too many unnecessary death!

    -- Posted by Jo on Tue, Mar 31, 2009, at 5:50 PM
  • Salinemg,

    perhaps I wasn't clear on my thoughts of producer vs landowner getting subsidies. What I was trying to convey was that the ones who are bearing the financial burden of the crops should get subsidy monies(and sometimes that is the landowner), not those who receive lease monies. I believe we are on the same page, I may not have expressed it clearly enough.

    -- Posted by Reader101 on Tue, Mar 31, 2009, at 6:51 PM
  • Hey ER in respones to you comment about the only terroist attack on our soil was under bush's watch, you might want to know your facts. What happened in 1993? i think that would be under clintons watch .When there was a bomb that exsploded in the basement of the world trade center killing 1000+ put that in your pipe and smoke and quit watching CNN it will rot your brain.

    -- Posted by n2deep22 on Wed, Apr 1, 2009, at 2:22 AM
  • n2deep22: Your stats on the WTC attack of 1993 are way off. In that attack, 6 people died and 1,042 were injured.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Wed, Apr 1, 2009, at 6:11 AM
  • Does anyone know when then spring citywide clean up is scheduled? The one where you can put extra stuff on the curb for pick-up?

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Apr 1, 2009, at 6:39 AM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    The week of April 13.
  • Where did you two get your facts? Funny how both of you brought up 2 stories to comment on that you know nothing about. You two must have got your fact finding skills from Fox News- Fair & Balanced (in make believe land). Yeehaw-It was 9 years ago that the VP's daughter was filmed. The film just surfaced this year. She was an 18 year old freshman at college and filmed by a college 'pal'. She is 27 now. Do the math 27-18= 9 years ago. n2deep22- how funny that you're trying to put me down while making up 'facts'. I guess that same college that taught you sentence structure told you that there were 1000 people that died in a tragedy that only you knew about. Maybe that's why you felt so safe during the Bush admin. Don't you think the rest of the world would have known about 1000 people that died or at least brought that up around 9/11? It was probably just a CNN cover up, right? Who's smokin' what here? I'm glad that Bush has kept America safe from the next 6 people that died in a failed attempt to blow up the trade center, which all happened to be next to the rental full of explosives.

    -- Posted by er on Wed, Apr 1, 2009, at 9:50 AM
  • JO...you are posting in a forum to generate debate, unless of course you state that your opinion isn't up for debate. So everyone please accept jo's opinion as gospel and whatever you do don't question her.she is a self righteous bitter person. I think George W must have stood her up for prom or something.

    -- Posted by GOCHIEFS on Wed, Apr 1, 2009, at 10:24 AM
  • Will there be a hazardous waste pick up any time soon? I remember several years ago Marshall had one, but none recently.

    -- Posted by luvthoseowls on Wed, Apr 1, 2009, at 3:58 PM
  • Has anyone had any issues with the highly publicized conficker virus we have heard

    so much about?

    -- Posted by rmb4life on Wed, Apr 1, 2009, at 4:17 PM
  • Go CHIEFS: You got one thing right! I am a bitter old man, But i am not a she! So your Judgement wrong! The reason, for no debate? Right and Wrong in my opinion can't be debated, it's what it is. And it's nonsense to think other wise! That's way i'm Bitter! Plus the fact, a few Simpletons in the White House, got all these Brave Men & women killed, in an unnecessary Action, that they new was wrong! So, think about it, knowing Right or Wrong, without debate, and making it known to our leaders,( and i use that term loosely) could stop a lot of Misery for Humanity! Like this Post, it was a Statement. My opinion

    -- Posted by Jo on Wed, Apr 1, 2009, at 10:08 PM
  • Read the following, consider the facts that the last administration screened prospective audiences, threw people out that held political views that differed from those of the Bush Administration, and often provided entry tickets only to Republicans. Is there ANYONE out there who disagrees that this is one area where the change is for the better?

    "We're going to take questions. All right. Just want to make sure my mike's working here. Here's the deal on questions. First of all, we didn't screen anybody. So there's some people who like me in the audience, some people that don't. Some people agree with me, some people who don't. It doesn't matter. We want to take questions from everybody."

    ---President Obama, town hall meeting, Elkhart, Indiana

    Feb. 2009

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Apr 1, 2009, at 11:21 PM
  • Behind my house there is an old van that don't run the glass has been broken out of it. I have talked to the mayer, police, i have talked to people at the chamber of commerce. i'm in ward 4 and i have talked to therm to.it's like no one will do anything about it. i moved in my house in 2005. everyone that i talk to tells me that they don't know how to contact the man that owns the house. i put his name on casenet.com . i now know where he lives everything. if the van i'm talking about was behind there house making there naberhood look bad i bet they would move it. if anyone knows how i can get this eye sore out of here let me know.it's a rental of D.E.D thank you

    -- Posted by cheryl B on Thu, Apr 2, 2009, at 9:47 PM
  • Cheryl B,

    It's easy. If the city won't do it go file your own lawsuit.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Thu, Apr 2, 2009, at 10:30 PM
  • Luvthoseowls, here is the link to the article in the Democrat News earlier this week. It tells the dates for hazardous waste and city-wide pickup.


    -- Posted by oneofmany on Thu, Apr 2, 2009, at 10:54 PM
  • B, call Mullins Tow Have it moved to the square...

    -- Posted by SalineFire on Fri, Apr 3, 2009, at 8:05 AM
  • OK Reader - and because Pres. Obama said it, makes it the truth. Right? No wonder this country is in trouble.

    -- Posted by Air Force Wife on Fri, Apr 3, 2009, at 8:39 AM
  • AFW, After the last 8 years of deceit and lies, I can see why it might be difficult to believe the new President is being more forthcoming. Until it can be proven that he is not, let's not slander him.

    -- Posted by born-n-raised on Fri, Apr 3, 2009, at 9:47 AM
  • I didn't slander anyone - I'm just making a point.

    -- Posted by Air Force Wife on Fri, Apr 3, 2009, at 10:22 AM
  • I apologize, AFW, I thought you were calling our President a liar.

    -- Posted by born-n-raised on Fri, Apr 3, 2009, at 1:44 PM
  • born n raised - you're reading into my comment. I think everyone should quit worrying about the past administration and watch very closely what is really going on now. Politicians will be politicians.

    -- Posted by Air Force Wife on Fri, Apr 3, 2009, at 6:44 PM
  • i my self iam happy with obama

    -- Posted by foster on Fri, Apr 3, 2009, at 7:37 PM
  • AFW you said in response to my short blog posting, "OK Reader - and because Pres. Obama said it, makes it the truth. Right? No wonder this country is in trouble". In this case AFW it was the truth. If you had taken the time to read the transcript of the Elkhart town hall meeting before you made your comment it would have been obvious to you that the quote was absolutely true. You do not have to read far into the transcript to see that a fair number of the questions that he responded to were definitely not from Obama supporters.

    It was a far cry from the "town hall meetings" scripted, and closely controlled by the manager's of our disgraced prior president. If you also do not accept this statement as the truth I would be happy to assist you in your quest for proof of that.

    Actually I have been quite critical of the Obama Administration recently so I decided in the interest of true fairness, and balance, I would point out something that I thought was obviously (boy was I wrong) a change for the better, something that was refreshing in comparison to the partisan propaganda we had been subjected to for eight years in what were purportedly town hall meetings.

    Since your initial response to my comment you have said " born n raised - you're reading into my comment. I think everyone should quit worrying about the past administration and watch very closely what is really going on now. Politicians will be politicians.". I do not recall even one instance where you posted anything that was critical of the Bush Administration, or even an insinuation that you were watching very closely what was going on. This despite ineptitude, and deception of the American citizenry that could be seen by everyone excepting those marching so closely behind the pachyderm's posterior that they saw nothing , but a gray blur. Therefore to me, your recent comments seem to me to be more partisanship rather than promoting a citizen's patriotic duty to stay on top of what their elected officials are doing. I pose these question to you. Is it only during Democratic Administrations that "Politicians will be politicians"? Where have you been for the last eight years?

    By the way, I have provided you a tag for the transcript of the Elkhart Town Meeting if you would care to read it.

    -- http://www.clipsandcomment.com/2009/02/09/transcript-president-obama-elkhart-ind...

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Apr 5, 2009, at 2:27 AM
  • If you missed out on last night's dinner and art at the tavern, you missed out on an amazing evening. Chef Liz perpared an outstanding meal and the art work that was auctioned was terrific! I hope this get's Mr. Harris to his goal of opening a glass studio at Marshall High School. I applaude his efforts. Last night was a success.

    -- Posted by Greg House on Sun, Apr 5, 2009, at 2:11 PM
  • OK Reader - I'll make my response very brief with little detail. As I have said before, as an active military family, we respect our leader. We may not agree but we do respect the position. I have to be very careful in what I say. As for where I have been - After the past 16 years, I don't trust ANY politician and until proven wrong, I will continue to not trust any. Examples - I was affected by "Made-off". He has been doing the same business for over 15 years. Where was the SEC and why didn't someone catch him before now. Mortgage crisis: Did anyone really think the bottom wasn't going to fall out due to the deals that were being made? The mid 90's idea of everyone living the American Dream of home ownership was a huge mistake and now the roof has caved in and the taxpayers are paying for that. Every administration makes mistakes. I fear more government control, more oversights, and that my Grandchildren will be living in a socialized country paying for the greed of the past 16+ years. I keep hearing about tax cuts.....where is the money that is being spent going to come from? Look at the most recent budget numbers. The hole is being dug deeper and deeper. Whether people like Pres. Obama or not isn't an issue. We had all better hope he can pull this together. I just wish people would leave Bush alone. He messed up a lot of things but who hasn't?

    -- Posted by Air Force Wife on Sun, Apr 5, 2009, at 4:41 PM
  • If anyone else reads the Elkhart Townhall Meeting transcript, please continue reading the blog of responses at the end. There are some interesting comments there. BTW, I traveled IN Hwy 31 last week - it was a better road than I 70 across MO.

    -- Posted by Air Force Wife on Sun, Apr 5, 2009, at 7:45 PM
  • I appreciate your response AFW. I encourage your continued vigilance.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Apr 5, 2009, at 11:51 PM
  • A bill has been introduced in the House of Representatives by Ron Paul (R), and Barney Frank (D) to legalize the production of non-psychoactive hemp. Nine other House members have signed on, seven Democrats and two Republicans.

    The purpose is to restore the right of American farmers to reenter the multifaceted world wide hemp trade. http://thepoliticalcarnival.blogspot.com/2009/04/ron-paul-barney-frank-introduce...

    This should be of particular interest to Saline Countians who may wish to urge their Representative to support the bill.

    Could it be that the wild hemp growing in the Missouri River bottoms would amount to at least a one time, no cost except harvest, crop for the farmers who own the land where it grows? Would it be an efficient crop to grow locally, or at least rotate with other crops? Failing all that could the police who continue to annually search it out, and destroy it, instead sell it to replenish their empty coffers during our economic down turn? It is something to consider.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Apr 6, 2009, at 12:18 AM
  • Just one more bit of cheery news. Robert Reich, Secretary of Labor under Bill Clinton, and in my opinion the Robert with a more brilliant mind than Robert Rubin who had Clinton's ear to our mutual chagrin, says we are in a depression. One of the the things I have always liked about him is that he does not mince words.

    In this tagged comment he hits on some of the points that NanaDot, myself, and others have touched upon. http://robertreich.blogspot.com/2009/04/its-depression.html

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Apr 6, 2009, at 1:32 AM
  • Oklahoma Reader you need a hobby or something to get you out of the house and away from the news and your computer.

    Try looking at things in a positive way for just once.

    -- Posted by hunterfisher on Mon, Apr 6, 2009, at 11:00 AM
  • I agree with most of your Comments,Oklahoma, Keep um coming!

    -- Posted by Jo on Mon, Apr 6, 2009, at 1:56 PM
  • Plenty of room here for everybody.

    By the way I am not a pessimist, I am a realist. How can you measure what is to come if you don't look at both ends of the spectrum? President Obama is doing an adequate job of presenting the optimistic view of what is to come, as he should. He is walking a tightrope, trying to tell us how bad it is with out putting us in a deeper psychological funk that would sink a recovery. What a tough job he has.

    I happen to believe that there will likely be no return to where we were under any circumstance, and that will be a certainty if we don't flat out declare war on the depression. Our efforts thus far have been inadequate. We will be increasing the national debt even more. It is just a matter of whether it will be now or later.

    The only solace is that it will be with the intent of helping the American people, instead of bursting the budget on an ill-conceived war that has destroyed a nation and its people.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Apr 6, 2009, at 5:38 PM

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Apr 6, 2009, at 5:40 PM
  • Back when each of us were very small tykes, and had limited communication skills, momma would have to ask us, "do you want this?" no. Do you want this? No. "Well, do you want this?" NO!! Each time she repeated herself trying to figure out what it was we wanted, and it wasn't, we little ones became more frustrated, at times to the point that we threw a tantrum.

    But aah, then we grew up, just a little though. We learned that we could, and did, develop the ability to actually say what we wanted from others. We found however that others did not always want to provide what we wanted. Oh. Frustration set in again.

    Then, most of us took a giant step toward maturity. We learned that we did not have to ask anyone to do what we wanted them to do. Wow, we could do it ourselves! Joy.

    About that same time many of us learned that there were some things that we still could not do. Gee. We learned we would still have to ask others to do it. We also learned (some earlier on) that others did not always comply. More frustration.

    So, we learned more complex techniques to satisfy our needs. We learned to ask another, or several others when one refused us. Surprise, sometimes they would. Joy again. Also a majority of us noticed that "hey, it doesn't bother me that much when I don't always get my way, when others don't do what I say", and merrily went on their way. Serenity.

    Unfortunately, some of us got stuck at various stages along this learning trail, and have been frustrated since.

    So, if this post makes you think, "what is that all about?" Let me spell it out. If you don't like what is posted on Speak Out, then speak out about what you like. If you feel you are incapable of posting yourself about what you like, ask others who do post about what you like, to post more often. You know who they are. Don't get frustrated. In other words grow up, its never to late.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Apr 7, 2009, at 1:30 AM
  • Bravo YeeHaw! A funny parody.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Apr 7, 2009, at 9:52 AM
  • Don't forget to vote today - polls close at 7 p.m. so there's plenty of time. There are two seats open for Marshall Board of Education, two seats open for County Health Department Board of Trustees and two seats open for Lafayette-Saline School Board (Santa Fe schools0, in addition to city council seats and other positions in cities around the county.

    It's your right AND your duty - vote!

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Tue, Apr 7, 2009, at 3:22 PM
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