Speak Out July 1 to August 2, 2008

Monday, June 30, 2008

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  • We start the second half of the year with a clean Speak Out slate. Speak more ...

    -- Posted by Eric Crump on Mon, Jun 30, 2008, at 11:05 PM
  • I think the first comment that should be posted is this:

    God Bless America & God Bless Our Troops! No matter what our views are about the war we must support our troops! Freedom is not free and our soldiers are what make this country so great!

    -- Posted by aen2012 on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 8:02 AM
  • Cheetah - I set up the blog you asked for :) Have at it.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 4:37 PM
  • Does anyone have an opinion on whether or not Bush/Chaney are gonna start a war in Iran? Just the thought is making my stomach knot up!

    -- Posted by barebackrider on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 4:40 PM
  • Amen JJ

    -- Posted by GOCHIEFS on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 8:19 PM
  • JJ,

    Just in case you weren't aware there are many quality news services to choose from. Maybe you could take a minute and swtich away from FOX "news" and check them out sometime.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 9:25 PM
  • All you get from FOX NEWS, is what the Government wants to spin! Has everyone forgot, that we need to do everything we can to get Bush and his Cronies Prosecuted for the Criminals they are? There is too many Brave Military Men dead!Unnecessary Action! they can't just walkout out of the Whitehouse after all this, and leave it up to the next President! Keep sending your E Mails too your Representative, demanding for this to happen!! This is Insane!

    -- Posted by Jo on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 11:40 PM
  • JJ you rock along with your twenty postings a day, and then you bust one that makes me laugh my *** off. The musical montage bit was great. I hope you will accept a compliment from a pinko, communist, socialist, wild eyed radical, hippie, idiot, (lets see what else have I been called at this blog site, oh yes) punk.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Jul 2, 2008, at 12:33 AM
  • FOX "news" down right lies. FOX owner Rupert Murdoch admitted publicly that he slanted his news to favor the Iraq war. That's not "news" that's propaganda and that's all I need to know about FOX.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Thu, Jul 3, 2008, at 6:23 AM
  • OK... problem.

    The community this year voted to keep the park tax & the park board is wondering where the $$$ would come from to develope a basketball court.

    They should hold a fund raiser??? I understand there has been a tad bit of progress completed and the gasoline cost is still on the rise. But this still doesn't seem right.

    -- Posted by nomad on Thu, Jul 3, 2008, at 3:30 PM
  • nomad - I think the park board suggested the fundraiser as a means to getting the basketball court done *sooner* because their current budget plan doesn't include it right away. At least that's what it sounds like to me.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Thu, Jul 3, 2008, at 3:58 PM
  • I too believe we are being "fundraised" to death.I was under the same impression as nomad , that we extended the tax for such things. Now they are trying to " doubledip" Same way with Fitzgibbon hospital a supposedly not for profit orginization. If they are not for profit id hate to see my hospital bills if they added in a profit.Seems like every month they are running an ad somewhere asking for more money for new equiptment, facility or something.

    -- Posted by GOCHIEFS on Thu, Jul 3, 2008, at 4:10 PM
  • GOCHIEFS - I know about the cancer center campaign, of course, but that's the only fundraiser I've heard of that has anything to do with the hospital. Obviously, since I've not lived here all my life, I could have missed something. Can you give me some examples?

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Thu, Jul 3, 2008, at 4:23 PM
  • It's not just Fox and CNN it is all of network television news. They are all tools of the corporations that at the very least are the most influential group in our country. More and more people are saying that the big corporations run America. Katy Couric admitted that she had been put under extreme pressure by CBS corporate executives in the run up to the Iraq War. The mainstream television news media failed utterly to investigate what was going on pre Iraqi war. It is probably the greatest disgrace the television news industry has ever suffered.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Jul 3, 2008, at 10:05 PM
  • People, please, turn it to Jon Stewart and the Daily Show for some real news. Sheesh.

    -- Posted by yogagirl on Thu, Jul 3, 2008, at 10:49 PM
  • I recommend buzzflash.com to people who want to read serious investigative reporting. Fair warning it can become addictive to some. You will read the details as presented by the world's finest newspapers. The Christian Science Monitor perhaps our nations least biased newspaper is often featured there.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Jul 4, 2008, at 1:20 AM
  • I recommend buzzflash.com for a guide to solid investigative reporting.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Jul 4, 2008, at 1:41 AM
  • o.k lets look at the cancer center.Dont anyone get me wrong it is a wonderful addition to the community and sorely needed .It will be a godsend to many people in the community. My only point is if Mcdonalds wanted to add a second drive thru which would add a conveniance to the community but would also be an extreme addition to their bottom line,would it be tolerated if they asked the community to pay for it , and than sold the hamburgers to the same people who donated towards it for full retail price?

    -- Posted by GOCHIEFS on Fri, Jul 4, 2008, at 7:35 AM
  • Go Chiefs-

    Please tell me you didn't compare a cancer center to another McDonald's drive-thru. The cancer center is a necessity, not merely a convenience. Ask anyone who has had cancer and they will tell you how important treatment close to home is to them. Besides the wear and tear on their physical condition, look at the expense of having to drive so far for treatment. Many people won't be able to do that, especially now. I see this as a community effort that will benefit our community as well as those around us.

    -- Posted by spareme on Fri, Jul 4, 2008, at 7:58 AM
  • I knew someone would get the wrong idea even though I explained that my point was not that the cancer center wasnt needed or necessary. Because it is, my point was that i dont think the community should be expected to donate to build it and than pay the outragous medical bills that iI assure you will follow their treatment

    -- Posted by GOCHIEFS on Fri, Jul 4, 2008, at 9:27 AM
  • Go Chiefs -

    While I know you didn't intend for your McDonald's drive-thru comment to be offensive, most will probably take it that way. I agree, it seems we have been fundraised over the edge in Marshall in the last few years. Fundraisers I can think of is the civic center and the cancer center. We add in all of the normal annual fundraising efforts of local groups such as Project Graduation, Relay for Life, Lighthouse Shelter, etc. The economy is sinking and we are in the middle of an election year. We are all tired of being nickel and dimed here and there.

    With all of this having been said, there is no comparison to the benefit a cancer center could provide to this community, in my opinion only. My family drove the miles to take my husband to treatments, surgery, doctor visits for only 12 months. I can't imagine traveling to Columbia, Sedalia, Kansas City or further for five days a week which was required for his treatment, paying gasoline costs now.

    My emotions run very high with this topic because it is so personal for me. The love of my life was fighting for his life, I was trying to raise three kids, work a full-time job, and drive him to treatments 60 miles away. Thankfully, I had LOTS of support from family and friends and that helped so much. I would not change a single thing that I did during that tragic fight and I don't want nor have I ever wanted sympathy.

    Maybe the people that splurge on those latte's everyday could donate that to the cancer center and ground breaking would occur. We all make unnecessary purchases and should rethink our priorities and I put myself right up there first on the list. One never knows when those facilities are going to be needed. People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw rocks!

    K Mullins-Lamb

    -- Posted by writerintraining on Fri, Jul 4, 2008, at 2:50 PM
  • Dear GoChiefs;

    I think you're a bit confused in your allegory.

    Community support for a much-needed cancer center cannot and should not have been confused with a for-profit franchise like McDonald's... How you equate cancer treatment with fast food is beyond me, much less the public funding jab. Once the center is built, it will not be operated on public donations, and the cost of health care is such that, were you to have cancer, you wouldn't really care what the costs were if your life was being saved.

    The sanctity of life is the point; not whether or not the community joins together to complete the cancer center. Would you rather live in a communtiy without any hosptial servioes at all and have to go to KC for those services? I think you need to re-evaluate your life priorities or perhaps English composition to better express yourself so as to not be so "misunderstood." Had you ever experienced anyone who died of cancer (as my Dad did), your cavalier attitude would change I'm sure.

    -- Posted by twosocksmom on Fri, Jul 4, 2008, at 6:33 PM
  • JJ, this comment is why people have a hard time w/ you.

    -- Posted by nomad on Sat, Jul 5, 2008, at 2:39 PM
  • JJ,

    I have refrained from ever belittling or using harsh language with anyone on this website but you have pushed the limit too far this time. You are unbelievable. My husband who lost his battle with cancer after 12 months was very rarely sick a day in his life. He started working at the age of 15 in the field and never quit until he become so ill he could not work. He was of average size, weight, NO DISEASE, no high blood pressure, diabetes, NOTHING. This man did not drink or smoke and was healthy until he got a very fast progressing cancer. You tell my kids their dad did not eat right or exercise and that is what killed him. You tell them that he was a weak dumb person that you were having to support. You tell my eight year old that has no memory of his dad that he was ugly. You are an uneducated creep!

    By the way, scholar JJ, according to Merriam-Webster dictionary, there is no such word as UNSTRONG. Oh but I am not going to support the local library with donations so that delinquents can learn to spell!

    K Mullins-Lamb

    -- Posted by writerintraining on Sat, Jul 5, 2008, at 5:26 PM
  • JJ

    Real men aplologize when they're wrong! Try not to be so closed-minded.

    -- Posted by milliemouse on Sat, Jul 5, 2008, at 5:39 PM
  • You may not agree with JJ, but as usual, the rationale of his argument is easy to follow and carries a considerable amount of weight. The whole survival of the fittest argument to promote genetic superiority may seem crass for those who have lost loved ones to cancer or other disease, but think about it objectively and become one with JJ.

    -- Posted by Eff Ess on Sat, Jul 5, 2008, at 5:50 PM
  • JJ

    So glad you're keeping my comment in mind. Had you just taken it to heart, it would have been void of any intellectual thought processes.

    -- Posted by milliemouse on Sat, Jul 5, 2008, at 7:37 PM
  • JJ,

    Please enlighten us on where the bible becomes an evidenciary source in your latest mean spirited, small minded diatribe.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Sat, Jul 5, 2008, at 7:57 PM
  • It is my observation the folks who tout the bible have never actually read it cover to cover, only snippetts here and there. Or they will comment, "Oh, that's the old testement. It doesn't apply." without ever explaining to me why not since it's part of the bible I have.

    Then it dawns on me, they only believe what they want without considering the truth or facts. For instance, could some of you bible thumpers explain why I can't own slaves when Leviticus 25:44 says I can if I buy them from neighboring nations (Canada, Mexico?)and treat them fairly. Oh, now I know, that **** Constitution getting in the way. (I think I'll get one of each but I think I favor the Mexican one).

    When was the last time we stoned to death an unrespectful child or an unclean person (for touching a pig) or a farmer for planting two different crops in the same field as outlined in Leviticus 24:10-16?

    While at it, please tell me which I should do as I have conflicting messages here. First it tells me "turn the other cheek" and then "an eye for an eye." Then it tells me that if a neighbor should slay one of my "*****" I must slay 2 of his. Why can't I just burn him to death like in Leviticus 20:14?

    Folks, my tongue in cheek point here is that the bible, even if a good book, is so far out of date as to be useless and any re-write would just be a modern day person injecting her/his slant and have absolutely no validity per any deity you can name, and there are thousands of dieties in this world so which one "writes" the modern bible?

    PS: As a Marine for 11 years and a Pan American pilot for over 25, I have observed more religions than most people realize exist all over the world. I've read at least 6 different bibles (book of Morman, Torah, Koran, etc. and all of them are laughable by todays world.

    -- Posted by White Tornado on Sat, Jul 5, 2008, at 11:01 PM
  • OOPS! Sorry folks, I got in on the conversation late and thought this was a religious spat but in reading more comments I realize it's more about health and nutrition.

    I agree with EVERYONE here. How's that for a stand! No one ever accused me of being wishy-washy. lol. But, for those that aren't into self health I highly recommend Harvard Medical School studies, Mayo Clinic tests, Society of Science in London, and numerous other sites. ConsumerLabs.com is a favorite of mine as is vitamin shoppe dot com for ordering suppliments if that's your desire. (I take a lot of them).

    Those of you having lost a loved one, my condolences. There were probably many things over the years, taking or avoiding, that may have kept them around a bit longer but hind sight is 20-20 as they say. The rest of your life starts as soon as you read this so the choices are yours and the answer is education. Educate your self, then decide what you can do for yourself, your loved ones and others around you that you influence.

    Maybe you can't afford the vitamins or that certain type of food, maybe you can't move to Nepal or Japan where life seems to last longer, maybe you enjoy that big Mac or that cigarette enough to sacrifice the few seconds or minutes it may take away from your life. That's your choice and you don't need to feel guilty just because JJ or I think you are foolish.

    After all, if life isn't fun and enjoyable, why bother? Just do one or two little things that may help you live a bit healthier and happier and for goodness sakes, DON'T STEP IN FRONT OF A TRUCK1

    -- Posted by White Tornado on Sat, Jul 5, 2008, at 11:28 PM
  • JJ,

    Okay I call a truce on the Cancer Center argument, donations, and healthy eating. My last entry was deleted so I must have stepped over my bounds. I hope you understand my passion for finding a cure and providing assistance for individuals faced with this dreaded disease. Agreed?

    -- Posted by writerintraining on Sun, Jul 6, 2008, at 10:59 AM
  • JJ this is def. your formula.

    complete Anonymity + an audience = complete (censored)

    Try being quiet for a little bit.

    -- Posted by MoAirmen on Sun, Jul 6, 2008, at 6:40 PM
  • JJ said:

    "people get what they deserve!"

    Hmmmm. The irony of JJ saying that is palpable. Do you believe in Karma JJ?

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Sun, Jul 6, 2008, at 10:10 PM
  • Point Proven! You can't be quiet, but then again you are still hiding behind your username.

    -- Posted by MoAirmen on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 12:06 AM
  • There was a boy who yelled doo doo,

    repeated whenever he saw you.

    his only word,

    no other was heard,

    so most thought him a t--d.

    What's wrong with that boy,

    why must he annoy,

    folks would bluster and cuss.

    light was shed, when it was said,

    he do do it because he must.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 12:29 AM
  • Here is the deal fellow bloggers, JJ can't really feel what he responds, he just wants attention so I say, we ignore it. Let's change the topic to something more appealing than JJ! If he truly feels this way, what a sad person he is and he needs help.

    -- Posted by writerintraining on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 8:50 AM
  • How's everybody feel about the possibility of returning to the good old double-nickel speed limit? Sen. John Warner is apparently thinking about proposing a return to 55 mph to save gas -- and lives, but I guess the lives are a secondary consideration since the idea didn't come up until gas prices got out of hand. Hmmm.

    Are we too addicted to speed to go back to 55? Maybe 60 mph would be an acceptable compromise. I suspect reducing the speed limit also has economic consequences, too, since delivery of goods would be affected and we've come to expect fastfastfast arrival of our online orders!

    Should we do it? Can we handle it?

    -- Posted by Eric Crump on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 8:56 AM
  • Not to mention the cost of speeding tickets!! It would be hard for me to drive 55.

    -- Posted by milliemouse on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 10:11 AM
  • My thought on changing the speed limit....

    Did the DOT keep the old speed signs? OR will we be paying for new signs instead of the highways and bi-ways getting repaired??????

    Just think about how much $$ would be spent for the man hours! They have much more to do than change some signs.

    -- Posted by nomad on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 10:44 AM
  • JJ how was the bungee Jump, and Keep the folks on their feet...

    Speed Limits, do use more fuel and cost lives i guess only if you can't handle how your driving. The change of speed on the interstates and secondary roads may be somewhat a good idea. Leave the speed lower in the day and 10 mph higher at night. This is when old lady Smith isn't going to Wal-mart so Little Johnny with a hot foot in Mommy's car can plow her over. same thing with the interstate. Passenger vehicles are less at night so Poppa can make that load by sun up. Missouri focuse on getting the truckers their own lane on Interstate 70 and Far as i care don't give'em a speed limit.. go like you stole it. Then passenger cars can cruise likes its sunday whenever they decide to take a trip to the mall or the city to buy little Johnny his own car. Don't forget to tell him to wear his SEATBELT! Also stop by the Alignment Shoppe because the state isn;t going to fix the pot holes. They are way to busy rutting up ditches with the mowers after a 4 inch rain...

    -- Posted by SalineFire on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 11:50 AM
  • In a typical family sedan, every 10 miles per hour you drive over 60 is like the price of gasoline going up about 54 cents a gallon (http://money.cnn.com/). Pushing air around actually takes up about 40% of a car's energy at highway speeds, according to Roger Clark, a fuel economy engineer for General Motors. The faster we go the more wind resistance there is. GasPriceWatch.com, also suggests trying to drive more smoothly rather than accelerating and stopping hard the way most Americans do.

    Makes you wonder how much it would cost with material and labor to change out the current speed limit signs. MoDot is broke now so I am not sure the change in speed limit will fly but I think I am for the change.

    -- Posted by writerintraining on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 12:51 PM
  • A couple of weeks ago while driving back from Columbia I decided to drive 60 miles per hour on I-70. What a difference. I only passed three people in trucks and the trip was so enjoyable. I did not have all the stress of driving defensibly. I did not seem to have to be tensed up. I was in a better mood. My passenger did not critize my driving skills or ask me to slow it down a bit. I did not use as much gas.

    I don't think that we need to post down the speed limit signs (modot doesn't have a pot or a window)If you want to go slower, do it. Remember not to drive under 40 miles per hour. And have a great time driving like I did the other day. Do we always have to drive agressively!

    Everybody take care and CHILL OUT!

    -- Posted by salinemg on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 5:29 PM
  • Hi again folks, here in California the price of gas is at or near $5.00 per gallon. In fact, on a recent drive to Seattle, I spent $5.69 per in a couple of places.

    However, there is a bright side, drive-by shootings in LA are down almost 50%. Having spent a lot of time in other countries, I can tell you we, the people in US, still pay considerably less than most other places in real income terms.

    also, get used to it as the Chinese are just now starting to get autos for the average person. They have just begun a country-wide building of highways similar to our nation system built 75 or so years ago. Only about 250,000 of them have vehicles out of over one billion people. What do you think will happen to the price of oil as the rest of them try to join the "club" of car owners?

    It seems rather obvious to me that we need to be aware of all this and act accordingly by using alternative power sources when we can, use more wind and solar, use less oil if you can, develope a new source of power and tell me about it. I may want to invest.

    As for more drilling, that's for each of us to decide. Personally I prefer to allow the drilling if it is done in a responsible manner. At current rates of usage and the current proven supply, we have approx. 48 years of known supply. Most of us, or at least I, will not live that long anyway so I pass the baton to the kids behind me. Where do you want the world to be in 15 or 20 years?

    -- Posted by White Tornado on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 11:58 PM
  • To notgvnasht, here are a couple of tips for you. In the late '70's I used to drive between Marshall and KC Airport commuting to SFO Here are some of the results of my unofficial experiments.

    One big saver of gas is to inflate the tires to 35 or more PSI. Tires are required to be rated to 250 PSI so don't worry about the tire exploding. The downside is the vehicle can get a bit skidish and delicate to the touch. find the level, psi, that you can live with.

    If you drive a pickup as I did, Nissan Frontier, shell on gets the same as no shell with tailgate down. Tailgate up, shell off reduces mileage by about 10%. Running 4 wheel drive on standby but not engaged really is a no-no. Really increases the gas useage. Windows down reduces mileage slightly but not as much as does A/C off.

    Grade of gas-Reg, premium and highest prem. Premium would get about 12% more than regular and high test almost 10% more than prem. Therefore, if premium was less that 12% more cost than regular, go with the prem. Same with the highest test. I ended up using high test most of the time due to the increase in miles per gallon.

    I hope this gives you something to think about. I was going from Marshall to KC airport, parking in very near the same spot, filling up from the same station on south Odell near college, driving the exact same route all the time.

    As I recall, it was exactly 96 miles one way using the center of the road. If I cut every corner I could, stayed to the inside of the lane and never drifted to the outside, I would save almost 8 miles for the trip.

    Obviously, bad weather, snow, heavy rain, etc. reduces the mileage. I hope this gives you some food for thought. Good luck.

    -- Posted by White Tornado on Tue, Jul 8, 2008, at 12:24 AM
  • I really don't want the government to get involved in telling us how fast to drive. I can accept the limits related to safety of others but I sure don't need anyone telling me how fast to drive for gas consumption.

    And the car I drive gets better gas mileage at 70 (actually 72 seems to be best speed!) than it does at 55 or 60. It has an on-board computer that tracks such things and I watch it closely.

    Of course all this varies with temperature, etc. so I drive what the fuel flow per miles dictates.

    This is driving on US Highway 5 from SF are to Seattle, straight wide open highway for the most part. You need to drive whatever your car's best performance is and not try to dictate to others.

    -- Posted by White Tornado on Tue, Jul 8, 2008, at 12:42 AM
  • It seems to me the school board would be better served spending their time cleaning their own house and those of their teaching staff rather than trying to make it more difficult for borderline students to participate in extracurricular activities.

    -- Posted by GOCHIEFS on Tue, Jul 8, 2008, at 12:19 PM
  • Any news from the school board meeting tonight?

    -- Posted by Gal66 on Tue, Jul 8, 2008, at 10:00 PM
  • A really great thing about this online newspaper

    is that when we get these gully washers like today, I can actually still read the news without the extra 3 gallons of water dripping out of those useless blue bags used to "protect" the paper.

    -- Posted by rmb4life on Tue, Jul 8, 2008, at 10:52 PM
  • I am just north of SF an hour drive and west of Santa Rosa in Sebastopol but planning to move to south west Washington state very soon.

    I still prefer newspapers as it's so much easier to skip around, read what I want, do the crossword puzzle and the funnies. I do fear that papers are a dying business as we know it and they need to be more of a daily magazine with more in depth articles as the internet and TV gets the news out so much quicker.

    But sound bytes can be annoying when you want more of a particular story. And I wouldn't trust Fox News to cover a church picnic with accuracy. Besides, it's really hard to line the bird cage with Fox News or Google news. (Let me know if you figure out how to do that!)

    DAily newspapers have been a big part of my life since I was 10 years old or earlier, or at least for the last 60 years. I really would hate to see them go the way of the dinasaurs but I'm afraid it's the future.

    A lot of newspaper around the country have now gone to being a source of ads, some articles, in depth stuff and offered free in news boxes or on the shelves. They make the revenue with the ads. Evolution! and all things evolve so why not newspapers?

    -- Posted by White Tornado on Wed, Jul 9, 2008, at 12:29 AM
  • Congratulations to Fitzgibbon Community Cancer Center Campaign! So many people have worked so hard to reach this goal -- THANK YOU!

    -- Posted by missy08 on Wed, Jul 9, 2008, at 5:44 AM
  • I dont believe its "the world" acting like or treating people like " a piece of sh..." I believe its frustrated with life people who cuss out others on an anonymouse blog.

    -- Posted by GOCHIEFS on Wed, Jul 9, 2008, at 1:05 PM
  • Then let's drop the anonymous.

    If there is anyone with information regarding the accident that happened last Thursday, here is my full name and mailing address:

    Alvin Leon Phillips, Jr.

    544 South Lake Drive

    Marshall, MO 65340

    If you truly feel the information you want to share is worthy of conversation, I have nothing but time and you will have my unbridled, unadulterated, and uninterrupted attention. To be clear, this information must pertain to my step-daughter, Stephanie Rapp. I assure you, there is no one more interested in me in knowing what you may have to say.

    -- Posted by Leon Phillips on Wed, Jul 9, 2008, at 1:23 PM
  • I was at the first hearing last night. The issues being raised do not question how good these three individuals are as teachers. My child's class at Eastwood worked closely with these other classes. Mrs. McGraw and Mrs. Plummer are good teachers and they are well liked by students because they care about their students success. The activities in class were enthusiastic and educational, not to mention, fun for the students. Children will learn easier and more effectively when their work is fun! Mrs. Stanton was also a good principal who was well liked by students whom she cared very deeply about. I believe that most parents liked her also. I know that I did.

    The question is regarding their ethics and personal conduct. Did they cross a line of ethical conduct for a person of their professional and personal position?

    I have been threatened in a work place before. I know that under stressful environmental conditions at work it is sometimes difficult to allow truth to be exposed in a timely and appropriate manner.

    The quality teachers who testified last night on behalf of the district were justified in their actions. Timing is critical to how a violation is exposed, if there is one.

    Mrs. Wright was professional and open minded in consideration of the objections stated by the attorney for the three accused teachers. His stated objections were questionable in nature and sometimes seemed one sided. The total picture needs to be exposed in a fair and open manner.

    There will be more testimony tonight by more quality teachers of our district. This process is also difficult for all teachers or individuals involved as well as our school board members. However truth needs to be told.

    Unless an individual on this forum has or had students within the elementary school system during the questioned period of time, comments about this hearing should be minimal. After all, gossip on this forum does our children,teachers or community no justice. It just stirs up dirt. There are participants in this forum (you know who you are) who state their uneducated and unfounded opinions on everything from news, religion, politics, education and current or social events within our community and abroad. Instead of wasting valuble spare time after work using this post as an outlet for your ignorance and lack of worldly knowlege, or rumors; why not get off of your cans and find a constructive and beneficial personal hobby or activity; better yet, spend time with a lonely person or child or volunteer for a cause or organization that improves life for those around us instead of always criticizing and finding fault with everything and everyone just because you can.

    Life can be better for all of us if we all make an honest effort!

    -- Posted by farmer'sgranddaughter on Wed, Jul 9, 2008, at 1:54 PM
  • The MAP testing is a joke! The state doesn't care what a child knows as long as he or she can sit down and answer 3 page questions about a fictional story and see if they pulled anything out of the test and if they can restart a sentence while stating the question. These Teachers should have never even had the option of knwoing where the school kept these tests prior to test day. Sounds to me as if our school system higher ups are the only ones not doing their jobs. Maybe thats why we can't keep them!

    -- Posted by SalineFire on Wed, Jul 9, 2008, at 3:50 PM
  • I do not often agree with all the comments posted on this forum, but I feel that it is an appropriate place to post opinions as they are just that-- the newspaper is supposed to print the facts-- these are just opinions and we all have one--

    -- Posted by workingmom on Wed, Jul 9, 2008, at 3:51 PM
  • Looks like the Dems have allowed Bush to run over them again. The Senate has approved a bill allowing telecommunications companies to have immunity for wiretapping activities. Bush's approval ratings are at an all-time low, but the Dems have still yet to "grow a pair." I am a long time Dem and I am embarassed! To quote my favorite Texan "The Dems are all hat and no cattle!" Obama even sided with Bush and voted in favor of the Bill!!! That may have cost him my vote!

    -- Posted by OldOwl on Wed, Jul 9, 2008, at 4:13 PM
  • If I'm not mistaken there is a loophole in the bill that still allows for criminal prosecution but it does protect from civil prosecution. In voting to support the bill the next president may still have an avenue for prosecution.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Jul 9, 2008, at 4:35 PM
  • This Vote from Obama today has turned me to the only one left that will change Washington's Criminal behavior, is Nader! It has gotten to the point, that it is the least corrupt that you vote for! And that is sad.They are all walking the line of Criminality! The Law means nothing, the Constitution means nothing.Obama said his vote was a compromise! You don't compromise with the Law,you obey the law! I hope the people don't just accept this ,with out writing to your Representatives and make your Protest,for all the good it will do!

    -- Posted by Jo on Wed, Jul 9, 2008, at 6:17 PM
  • If I'm not mistaken there is a loophole in the bill that still allows for criminal prosecution but it does protect from civil prosecution. In voting to support the bill the next president may still have an avenue for criminal prosecution.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Jul 9, 2008, at 7:42 PM
  • I'm not convinced that there is a loophole for criminal prosecution. I have not read the full bill, only a summary, but it looks like there is immunity for legal "proceedings." This would appear to include criminal proceedings. I hope I am wrong. Either way it is bad news and the Reps are not the only ones to blame!

    -- Posted by OldOwl on Wed, Jul 9, 2008, at 9:38 PM
  • it sucks to be a cheating teacher.

    -- Posted by SecretAgentMichaelScarn on Thu, Jul 10, 2008, at 12:48 PM
  • Cheating Teachers blow

    -- Posted by yomomma on Thu, Jul 10, 2008, at 2:24 PM
  • GREAT NEWS!! Senator McCain's top economic adviser, Phil Gramm, was quoted as saying we are only experiencing a "mental" recession and have become "a nation of whiners...while growth continues..." This is the same Senator with extensive ties to Enron (see 'Enron Loophole') & the sub-prime mortgage industry. This is the same person who once wanted to deny food stamps to elderly legal immigrants on the grounds that 'extending aid would only foster dependency'; who during a Senate debate over Social Security, when pointed out that the proposal would hurt 80-year-old retirees, said: "Most people don't have the luxury of living to be 80 years old, so it's hard for me to feel sorry for them"." To be fair, Gramm occasionally found it in his heart to assist the poor -- like the time he suggested that mothers on welfare would be better off working for $2.50 an hour.

    As recently as Dec. 31st of last year, he was still working for Swiss bankers specifically to help kill the "Emergency Home Ownership and Mortgage Equity Protection Act" and the "Helping Families Save Their Homes in Bankruptcy Act," bills that would have let bankruptcy judges adjust mortgage terms so American families facing foreclosure could repay their loans, and keep their homes.

    $4/Gallon gasoline, rising food prices, stagnant wages......the moral of the story is: get elected to the Senate, get your spouse a spot on large corporate board of directors, pass legislation that will benefit your friends and soon.....you will find that this thing folks are calling a "recession" is all in your head. Senator McCain said a recession is all 'psychological' and admitted earlier this year that economics isn't his thing. "The issue of economics is not something I've understood as well as I should..." Now doesn't that make you feel better!

    -- Posted by modemocrat on Thu, Jul 10, 2008, at 3:45 PM
  • The Obama Tidal Wave

    We are witnessing a political phenomenon with Barack Obama of rare magnitude.

    His speeches have inspired millions and yet most of his followers have no idea of what he stands for except platitudes of 'Change' or that he says he will be a 'Uniter'.

    The power of speech from a charismatic person truly can be a powerful thing.

    Certainly Billy Graham had charisma and both his manner of speech and particularly the content changed millions.

    On the extreme other hand, the charisma of Adolph Hitler inspired millions and the results were catastrophic.

    Barack Obama certainly is no Hitler or a Billy Graham, but for many Americans out there feeling just like a surfer who might be ecstatic and euphoric while riding a tidal wave, the real story is what happens when it hits shore .

    Just Some of What Defines Barack Obama:

    . He voted against banning partial birth abortion.

    . He voted no on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions.

    . Supports affirmative action in Colleges and Government.

    . In 2001 he questioned harsh penalties for drug dealing.

    . Says he will deal with street level drug dealing as minimum wage affair..

    . Admitted marijuana and cocaine use in high school and in college.

    . His religious convictions are very murky.

    . He is willing to meet with Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez, Kim Jung Il and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

    . Has said that one of his first goals after being elected would be to have a conference with all Muslim nations.

    . Opposed the Patriot Act.

    . First bill he signed that was passed was campaign finance reform..

    . Voted No on prohibiting law suits against gun manufacturers.

    . Supports universal health-care.

    . Voted yes on providing habeas corpus for Guantanamo detainees.

    . Supports granting driver's licenses to illegal immigrants.

    . Supports extending welfare to illegal immigrants.

    . Voted yes on comprehensive immigration reform.

    . Voted yes on allowing illegal aliens to participate in Social Security.

    . Wants to make the minimum wage a 'living wage'.

    . Voted with Democratic Party 96 percent of 251 votes.

    . Is a big believer in the separation of church and state.

    . Opposed to any efforts to Privatize Social Security and instead supports increasing the amount of tax paid.

    . He voted No on repealing the Alternative Minimum Tax.

    . He voted No on repealing the 'Death' Tax.

    . He wants to raise the Capital Gains Tax.

    . Has repeatedly said the surge in Iraq has not succeeded....

    . He is ranked as the most liberal Senator in the Senate today and that takes some doing.

    If your political choices are consistent with Barack Obama's and you think that his positions will bring America together or make it a better place, then you will probably enjoy the ride. If you are like most Americans that after examining what he stands for, are truly not in line with his record, it would be prudent to get off the wave or better yet, never get on, before it comes on shore and undermines the very foundations of this great Country. We have limited time to save America or the Supreme Court as we know it.

    Inaction is action.

    Bill Brown


    Bill Brown, is a highly respected retired member of the Billy Graham team.


    -- Posted by Young Owl on Thu, Jul 10, 2008, at 4:00 PM
  • Obama believes in a fair tax system, habeas corpus, health care, a living wage, supports affirmative action and against the Patriot Act! In other words he believes in the Constitution and the rule of law; just the opposite of what we have experienced the past 7 years. Shocking!!

    -- Posted by modemocrat on Thu, Jul 10, 2008, at 5:05 PM
  • Oh,and don't forget he believes in Allah.

    -- Posted by milliemouse on Thu, Jul 10, 2008, at 5:38 PM
  • Only problem with that argument is he is a Christian. But like you, I am sure he is respectful of all religions.

    -- Posted by modemocrat on Thu, Jul 10, 2008, at 5:41 PM
  • I am respectful of the fact that there is only one God and He ain't Allah.

    -- Posted by milliemouse on Thu, Jul 10, 2008, at 11:57 PM
  • I do not get into politics much as there is always some things I like about all candidates and some things I dislike of all of them. I usual vote Libertarian as that seems to be the overall closest to the things I feel are important.

    Also, I do admire Ralph Nader. As for Obama, I recently saw a picture of him with his arm around James Hoffa, Teamster's corrupt leader. Obama was promising him to work to remove the Oversight committee that cleaned up a very corrupt union 5 or 6 years ago. Saying that since things were cleaned up now there was no need for the committee. Rubbish! The corruption will return as soon as the Oversight is removed!

    If you had a dangerous street corner/intersection where several accidents had happened, or a school crossing where accidents were occurring too often, and you put in a traffic light. No more accidents now for five years. Do you now remove the traffic light? Of course not, it's a preventive measure not cure.

    Well, that's the same way I see the Oversight committee for the Teamster's, preventive not a cure.

    BTW, the Teamster's then gave Obama a ton of money (as much as they were allowed or more) and sent Union Officials to all the chapters touting Obama to the membership. Does this sound like just another typical politition? Does this sound like a change of the "old ways"? Smells a lot like a sell-out to me.

    -- Posted by White Tornado on Fri, Jul 11, 2008, at 12:15 AM
  • Do you really think religion means squate in terms of how either guy will do as president? Who cares if he believes in God, Alah, or a cow named Bessy. This is America, as long as he does the job he's paid to do his religion, race, sex, favorite movie, clothing style, or video game system preference doesn't mean a darn thing.

    -- Posted by oldschool17 on Fri, Jul 11, 2008, at 7:57 AM
  • So....Phil Gram, one of John McCain's economic advisors, claims that we are in a "mental recession" and Americans are nothing more than "whiners." Oil is at $147 a barrel, or maybe that is just my imagination. I paid nearly $4.00 a gallon for gas yesterday, or maybe that was just my imagination. I paid $4.14 for a gallon of milk, or maybe I just thought I did! More than 100 foreclosed homes are being sold this week, at one time, in Kansas City, or maybe that is just in my mind! I could go on, but I think you get the picture. I cannot imagine what any of us have to whine about?!

    -- Posted by OldOwl on Fri, Jul 11, 2008, at 8:50 AM
  • Old School. You're right. This IS America. One Nation under God. I don't see how love of God doesn't play into who will be leading our country.

    -- Posted by milliemouse on Fri, Jul 11, 2008, at 9:24 AM
  • Yea Old School!! You should pay more attention to your civics lesson. Don't you remember learning that ALL (at least Americans) persons of faith are not allowed to refer to any God but the Christian version. Haven't you read there is no such Deity as Allah?? Shame on you. We probably also need to re-write that pesky constitution; especially Amendment 1.

    -- Posted by modemocrat on Fri, Jul 11, 2008, at 9:57 AM
  • doesnt the muslim religion talk about death to all infidels, and dont the muslims refer to us (all americans) as infidels? i may be mistaken with someother radical religion , but i thought that is what i have heard.

    -- Posted by themonsterinme on Fri, Jul 11, 2008, at 12:00 PM
  • No the Muslim religion does not preach that. Some radical factions may advocate such action, but a study of their principles shows that not to be true. That is the equivalent to saying the Baptist Pastor Fred Phillips speaks for all Christians..

    -- Posted by saline mo on Fri, Jul 11, 2008, at 12:18 PM
  • And for those who aren't familiar with Fred Phelps, he's the guy whose church members **celebrate** the death of every US soldier because the military doesn't outright ban gays from serving. These are the people who demonstrate at funerals. We get faxes from them now and again, and their rhetoric is about as vicious as it comes. Some Christians might agree with Phelps' position on gays, but I bet few would approve of his extreme tactics. Same goes for Muslims, most of whom are horrified by the acts of terrorism done in the name of their religion.

    -- Posted by Eric Crump on Fri, Jul 11, 2008, at 12:37 PM
  • Which raises the question: If God, any God for that matter is "all powerful", why would they continue to let people perform horrendous acts in their (God's) name. If there is a God who does posses the power to stop of all the nonsense but doesn't then why is that God worthy of worship?

    I'm not talking about finding some appropriate passage in any religious text either, I'm talking about actually showing up, in person, setting the record straight and telling those offenders to cool thier jets. Where is that God?

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, Jul 11, 2008, at 12:58 PM
  • After reading today's online version of the Sedalia Daily Democrat, I find it very odd that I was able to read an article about a motorcycle accident occurring in Saline county and involving a Saline county man who was subsequently arrested but i find no mention of it in our MDN.

    -- Posted by GOCHIEFS on Fri, Jul 11, 2008, at 3:06 PM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    My fault. Kathy had the story ready to go, but I didn't get it placed. It's on the website now.
  • missy08,

    Isn't it exciting that the Cancer Center met their goal. Another milestone in Marshall's success as a community and pulling together.

    -- Posted by writerintraining on Fri, Jul 11, 2008, at 3:45 PM
  • Cheetah, very good to see your name again.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Fri, Jul 11, 2008, at 4:02 PM
  • Very well put Cheetah and when Christ came in the new testament and admonished us to love God with all your heart, mind and soul and to love your neighbor as yourself, that perfectly covered all that is commanded in the ten commandments. The new law!

    -- Posted by milliemouse on Fri, Jul 11, 2008, at 4:12 PM
  • Smokin' Cheetah,

    That's an excellent and well thought out response but it doesn't completely answer my question. Why would a loving God who also has free will choose not to end suffering in his/her name?

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, Jul 11, 2008, at 4:56 PM
  • as i sit and read these postings i have to wonder what you ppl do with your free time? yes i am guilty of the intrigue that goes on in my community and sit and read this stuff as you do. what really concerns me is the posts that talk about how this town is "clicky" and how only those with "names" thrive..that is BS!!! i was told by my high school guidance counselor because of my test scores i should join the military..which i did.. i also have a college degree and still live in this town which I think is a great place to live....If you dont think you or your children are getting a fair shake...MOVE!! Thats what my relatives died for in WWII and VietNam, so you have the freedoms to do as you please...Let he is who free from sin cast the first stone..quit being so judgemental and live your own lives...

    -- Posted by U2ONE on Fri, Jul 11, 2008, at 5:28 PM
  • P.S. my guidance counselor was Ms. Elliot! Guess that kinda gives my age away!

    -- Posted by U2ONE on Fri, Jul 11, 2008, at 5:31 PM
  • smokin c,

    it reallymakes NO difference what church or any church for that matter!!! its FAITH in JESUS that matters... thats just my opinion and sorry to offend anyone.. i think all that matter,s is how we treat people...and what i see from my view is most people here treat people like CRAP!!!

    -- Posted by U2ONE on Fri, Jul 11, 2008, at 8:00 PM
  • Wow, all this god stuff is amazing! Amazing that so many people actually believe the myths and want to blame or credit some unknown and unproveable idea from thousands of years ago.

    Every time I read this sort of thing I just substitude Santa Claus for god and it becomes comic. My grandson in Iraq recently asked me to see if you religious folks could ask god to come to Iraq and help settle things. He said. "And, Grandpa, tell them to ask god to come himself and not send Jesus as this is no place for kids."

    Perhaps those of you with influence in the appropiate area could get god, allah, mohammad, jesus and others to show up and duke it out on our behalf.

    -- Posted by White Tornado on Fri, Jul 11, 2008, at 9:27 PM
  • For you Jesus fans, I suggest you spend some time reading Greek, Roman and other ancient histories to see where the Jesus concept arose. There are dozens of exactly or very nearly the same scenario occurring thousands of years earlier. Here's an interesting web site.


    There are some wonderful shows on the history channel and others about the Universe. Perhaps learning a bit more may temper your judgement about a lot of things attributed to the bible and god.

    -- Posted by White Tornado on Fri, Jul 11, 2008, at 9:35 PM
  • Hey JJ, did you notice that our comments got deleted about the swimming program? Boy Mason Webers parents have some pull, eh? lol

    Anyway, like I said, my child was on the swim team and has been swimming since the age of 6. Meet us at the park some morning for lap swim and we will see if you lose this battle, lol.

    -- Posted by get a clue on Sat, Jul 12, 2008, at 12:59 AM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    The Webers had nothing to do with it.
  • -- Posted by milliemouse on Sat, Jul 12, 2008, at 1:32 PM
  • Hey Eric, When are you going to put the photos you took of the Summer School Play "Into the Woods" in the Photo Gallery. Still Waiting.


    -- Posted by Cat Lover on Sat, Jul 12, 2008, at 1:42 PM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    As soon as I can. Sorry for the delay. I've put in numerous requests to have more hours added to the day, but somebody keeps losing my order!


  • Mr. Crump,

    You take your job WAY to seriously man. You notice the sarcasm in my laughing??? lol

    Come on Crump, laugh a little!

    Hey JJ, did you notice that our comments got deleted about the swimming program? Boy Mason Webers parents have some pull, eh? lol

    Anyway, like I said, my child was on the swim team and has been swimming since the age of 6. Meet us at the park some morning for lap swim and we will see if you lose this battle, lol.

    -- Posted by get a clue on Sat, Jul 12, 2008, at 12:59 AM

    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:

    The Webers had nothing to do with it.

    -- Posted by get a clue on Sat, Jul 12, 2008, at 7:16 PM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    I'll try. Heh. Er, ha. Um, hee. Am I getting close?
  • I just came home from the Saline County Fair Demolition Derby and boy did it suck!!!It was like going to a party and the guests not showing up.I know the rain today had something to do with it but they really need to make sure they have enough cars to make it interesting.I'm glad I didn't have to pay for my tickets.The announcer didn't even have a spot to plug in his computer to do the national anthem. I hope next year is better or I'll have to go some where else and enjoy a real demolition derby.

    -- Posted by old&cranky on Sat, Jul 12, 2008, at 9:30 PM
  • Cheetah, I fully agree with you on the basic TV production stuff being biased and too juvenile for serious attention. But I'm suggesting shows that are on the History channel, the Science channel, PBS and the like. These are shows producted and narrated by some of the top minds in the astrophysics world, in conjunction with top Universities, UCal Berkeley, Stanford, MIT, as well as NASA and top ones from Europe, India and the rest of the world.

    Just resently watched a great show on the Hubble telescope and the plans for repairs in the near future. It's really amazing what will be required. Zero "G" conditions are unreal if you've never encountered the experience, (and, yes, I have).

    Just starting on PBS on Wednesdays is a series "Nova Now" with one of my favorite physisits, Niel DeGrasse Tyson, as the main narrator. And, if you want to see a really interesting show, check out the movie, "Aftermath, Population Zero" similar to a book I just read, "The World Without Us" depecting what would happen to Earth if people were just suddenly gone. (No premise given for that happening so you can fill in your own, a disease of some sort, meteor strike, all the various gods calling home all their folks at the same time, etc.)

    And, these days with the computer generated images, it's incredible how real things appear. Check it out.

    And I do agree with your basic assessment of the quality of television but it's only going to be as good as it has to be to draw viewers so I never watch anything that I think is garbage hoping that will influence the producers.

    But as long as we have folks that watch the Flintstones and think it's a documentary, producers will still make the show to sell stuff. Personally, I have never watched one of these "reality shows" or survivor shows and the like.

    -- Posted by White Tornado on Sun, Jul 13, 2008, at 12:02 AM
  • Cheetah, sorry you missed the joke when suggesting that IRAQ was no place for the kids (Jesus). Actually, my grndson had long since finished two tours there and is now on a Carrier off the coast of Peru. (True)

    He thinks they may go to New Zealand next as there's a chance oil has been found in the South Island of NZ. Bush and Cheney have already issued warnings that NZ is possibly hiding WMD. An invasion is scheduled in the very near future. (Joke)

    -- Posted by White Tornado on Sun, Jul 13, 2008, at 12:16 AM
  • I think it's wonderful that we live in a society that allows individuals freedoms. Freedom of choice and the opportunities that are provided are terrific things. I've read most of the comments and discussions posted on here and am amazed at the tug and pull it presents to my brain matter. I would think that our community would be overjoyed by the fact that there is a really good chance that the swim program at the high school is coming back. Likewise, I would think that a new and exciting art program at our high school, like the glass blowing class, would be viewed as a wonderful opportunity for students who have talents in other areas. These programs can shine some positive light on our district.

    And what about the cancer center? Congratulations! That's great that this community rallies around causes to help others. Where would we be if we didn't help others, but instead just helped ourselves? Superior species? I don't believe so. History teaches us that the strongest civilizations that focus on strength and ultimate superiority don't survive...look at the Greeks, Romans, Egyptians....instead it's the most caring civilizations that prosper. Might doesn't make right. Instead I like to reflect on the ideas that make this country great...life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness along with give me your poor, your weak, your tired and your huddled masses. We are strongest when we set aside our bickering and create a unified voice.

    -- Posted by Greg House on Sun, Jul 13, 2008, at 2:55 PM
  • Dear notgvnasht,

    I am not positive, but I think the plane you might be talking about is Dyer the Flyer or one of several other crop dusters who are in the area now applying fungicide on corn.

    Besides Dyer, there are 4-5 planes from as far away as Iowa and Kennett, Mo. flying out of the Marshall airport this week.

    It does look like they are doing stunts, but they have to fly low over the crops to safely and effectively apply the fungicides. (The fungicide may have also been the dust you saw.)

    It does look dangerous (or "quite the show," depending on your perspective), but Dyer has been doing crop dusting for a long time in this area. He is very good at what he does.

    He has done work for us several times and it is fun to watch him "buzz" our house, but I admit if I didn't know what he was doing, it would be scary.

    Crop dusters do have to have special licenses and of course, special training.

    Just FYI,


    -- Posted by Marcia Gorrell on Sun, Jul 13, 2008, at 8:08 PM
  • I do know for a fact that Mr. Dyer was out dusting crops Sat. because my dad's crops were dusted...just so you know. He's also very much not an idiot...if, in fact, he's the one you saw.

    Getting info before you speak is priceless.

    -- Posted by opin on Sun, Jul 13, 2008, at 8:36 PM
  • Greg House,

    Greg House posted: "We are strongest when we set aside our bickering and create a unified voice."

    Thanks for sharing the great things about this community and the people who call the area home. I had the opportunity to meet the instructor behind the new glass blowing project and the high school, what an interesting form of art and I think it is great our students will have this advantage.

    Several times I have voiced my opinion on the cancer center, what a great addition this facilitiy will be.

    -- Posted by writerintraining on Sun, Jul 13, 2008, at 8:54 PM
  • wow writin in this blog thing just makes instant experts out of all y'all!!! there are pills for that you know notgvna.....whatever!! i do believe if i were that frightened by that i would have called 911!!!yes i can spell and no i don't care.

    -- Posted by marshallite on Sun, Jul 13, 2008, at 10:53 PM
  • Folks, if the crop duster was Sam Dyer, and I assume it was, there is no real cause for alarm. Sam knows what he's doing and has been doing it for many years. If you can see his plane then you are in no danger if his plane has problems because he can get far enough away that you will not be a factor or in danger.

    As a Marine fighter pilot for 10 years and having grown up with Sam, I speak from experience. We have similar complaints here in the San Francisco area when the Blue Angels have a show in the area. I was fortunate to be able to fill in for a month for the Marine Blue Angel's pilot killed in practice, Paul Fredricks I think was his name circa 1962. The only show I did was to dedicate the new civilian airport in Lake Charles, La. March 24-25, 1962.

    The Blue Angel team always has one Marine pilot on the team. Anyway, in those days, I occassionally flew into the Marshall area and stayed in touch with Sam as he was a high school classmate. So, please relax, go talk to him and learn what his "mission" is and it may help you to understand. I have confidence that Sam would not endanger anyone on the ground. That's alway the code of dedicated pilots.

    -- Posted by White Tornado on Mon, Jul 14, 2008, at 12:56 AM
  • Cheetah, I'm curious if you have checked the link I enclosed in a previous comment. I'd love to have your comments. I really think we can have a serious dialog, even a "duel to the death" about religion et al. Just as long as you are able to recognize my sense of humor.

    It really is an amazing world, lots of ideas about the Universe, things that continue to baffle, just a great time to be alive but we need to figure out how to educate the suicide bombers of the world. How do we stop this ridiculous religious slaughter?

    One thing I did learn being over there in the middle East, Mesopotamia if you will, those folks have absolutely no sense of humor. So how do we convince them there can't possibley be 72 virgins awaiting them if they bomb a few innocent infidels like me and probably you?

    I can't even convince folks here that religion is the root of all evil. Do you think people here really believe the story of Noah's Ark, thinking it's real?

    If you are a reader, read the book "Infidel" about and by the lady that escaped the area (IRAQ, I think) to become a Dutch politition and helped write the play that got the co-author killed and caused her to go into "hiding". I will be happy to send you a copy if you like to read.

    -- Posted by White Tornado on Mon, Jul 14, 2008, at 1:16 AM
  • notgvn.......You live in an agricultural area . crop dusting is a needed service, especially in a year as wet as this has been. Sam Dyer is one of the most respected and professional pilots I have ever known. So get over it. Low flying aircraft are just part of it.

    -- Posted by GOCHIEFS on Mon, Jul 14, 2008, at 1:34 AM
  • Here's a 2006 story from USA Today about crop-dusting, including information about safety.


    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Mon, Jul 14, 2008, at 6:43 AM
  • Not,

    Sure didn't say the person you saw WAS him...just said if... Also did not say I know him personally, just that he did some dusting for my father.

    If you are really concerned, I'd suggest calling someone. Posting here really won't solve your problem....

    -- Posted by opin on Mon, Jul 14, 2008, at 9:46 AM
  • HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ntgvnasht... You are killing me! Welcome to Saline County..I don't think you were ever properly welcomed. Here in Saline county we have some of the best fertile ground in the state. The people in this county are dang proud of it to. Having this ground gives the chance to grow outstanding crops. Corn in a wet year needs fungicides to preform more at its peak yields. First Slater wasn't good enough for ya and the people from their I'm sure are happy to know you are out around Marshall and Blackburn watching "Stunt Flying planes" that in reality are crop dusters working for the American Farmer!!! Dryer thanks for the great work you do here in the comunity and everywhere else. Also so to the rest of the crop dusters that are at marshall airport... Thank You!

    -- Posted by SalineFire on Mon, Jul 14, 2008, at 10:09 AM
  • Will the MDN be posting the Saline County Fair event schedule on line? Thanks.

    -- Posted by pumpkin08 on Mon, Jul 14, 2008, at 11:36 AM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
  • Well I know this man VERY well Sam Dyer is my GRANDFATHER. I live with him and also have been working out at the airport taking orders for crop dusting. If you have a problem with his flying. Which there is nothing to be scared of he knows what he is doing and the other men flying also know very well what they are doing. You can come talk to me out at the marshall airport. I would gladly argue with you that my grandfather does know what he is doing and he is NOT AND IDIOT! My grandfather is a very good man and very respected. I dont know what person hasn't seen him fly but you must not be from around here because he has been flying for many years. My grandparents have raised me and I dont like when people call my grandfather an idiot and trying to show off because he is NOT. So if you have a problem with my grandpa or any of the men flying around here doing their jobs and making a living then come talk to me out at the airport. Thank you very much to the other people who have stood up for my grandfather. Thanks. ♥ Molly

    -- Posted by Molly2010 on Mon, Jul 14, 2008, at 1:31 PM
  • P.S.

    My grandpa does not need his liscense taken away. My grandpa also gives flying lessons and flight tests so he does for a fact know what he is doing. My grandpa has taught many people how to fly and given their tests. And I have known this man my whole life and I don't think it is very much like him to be an "idiot" or "moron" he is very respected christian man. My grandpa is my hero so please if you would stop talking bad about him he knows what he is doing and if you were to go outside and see him doing his job admire him dont complain about him "going to kill himself" because I know him very well and he is an amazing man and knows what he is doing.

    -- Posted by Molly2010 on Mon, Jul 14, 2008, at 1:42 PM
  • Molly,

    Everyone in this area who is not ignorant on the topic would agree with you 100%. Just remember that some people use the psuedo-anonymous internet to say things they would never have the guts to say to someones face or maybe just to stir something up. Your grandpa is exactly as you say he is. He and the other flyers are to be commended by folks like me who like to eat!:)Don't let someone's childish comments get you down.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Mon, Jul 14, 2008, at 1:53 PM
  • To change the subject-- are you all effected by the gas and grocery prices as much as my family is-- milk at ald's has risen $0.60 in 2 weeks and I had to cut cable to help in my budget-- wow-- are we the only family feeling this huge pinch or living paycheck to paycheck?

    -- Posted by workingmom on Mon, Jul 14, 2008, at 2:13 PM
  • Nope. it's not just you. The powers that be however don't seem to have to worry about paying thier bills.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Mon, Jul 14, 2008, at 2:26 PM
  • Molly, you give your grandpa a hug for the majority of citizens of Marshall who know Sam Dyer is a fine man. Every word you said about him is true. He comes from a long line of Saline County natives who have had the best interest of our community at heart. You tell your grandpa to keep up the good work. He's a remarkable man who is very good at his job!

    -- Posted by oneofmany on Mon, Jul 14, 2008, at 2:35 PM
  • Molly you let your grandfather know that here in Saline County we love the Natives like your family. For making a life here to help our county only because their hearts are in it. Everyone that wants to go below the belt on this matter is not a Saline County native like Sam Dyer. This is easy to detect due to the fact these people complaining and putting a fine citizen down don't even know what a crop duster is!! Welcome to the Country and we like it that way!!!

    -- Posted by SalineFire on Mon, Jul 14, 2008, at 2:50 PM
  • wow-jjgates-- if my attempt change topics or vent a little upset you in anyway it was not meant to. I however am a little upset at the way you responded with such viscous sarcasm. Did what I say offend you- I suppose I was just trying to make myself feel a wee bit better about my current financial state to hear others are in the boat with me-- I am aware of the current economic state-- and was just using this posting as a venting space-- why must you be so horrible?

    -- Posted by workingmom on Mon, Jul 14, 2008, at 4:48 PM
  • because jj is an a-----e and needs a a good lining up!! i feel the pinch and i dont like either, but you do what you must to survive!!

    -- Posted by themonsterinme on Mon, Jul 14, 2008, at 5:21 PM
  • Well said Molly!! I know my family thanks your family greatly for helping us by spraying our crops when needed!!! Just remember, that the opinion of one is usually not the majority - and in this case - isn't! Most folks I know love 'Dyer the Flyer' and enjoy his 'air shows.' You just keep a smile on your face and your head held high!!!!!!!

    -- Posted by opin on Mon, Jul 14, 2008, at 5:33 PM
  • JJ,

    Were you born that way or do you have to work at it? Geez, what a troll.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Mon, Jul 14, 2008, at 8:31 PM
  • if anybody is trolling, it sure isn't JJ. this is the Marshall Democrat-News JJ Gates Speak Out Forum.

    -- Posted by SecretAgentMichaelScarn on Mon, Jul 14, 2008, at 8:34 PM
  • and I suppose Secret Agent whatever that you think we don't see that you are in fact JJ?

    The trolls are multiplying.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Mon, Jul 14, 2008, at 8:42 PM
  • Anhauser-Busch.

    Goodbye old friend. It's the begining of the end.

    What's next? Coke, Pepsi, John Wayne and Apple Pie. Will lady Liberty's torch soon be replaced with a for sale sign? I think we should fly our flags at half staff in rememberence of the King of Beers.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Mon, Jul 14, 2008, at 8:49 PM
  • wtf, if the trolls are multiplying at your place, hopefully you're the next one that gets taken over.

    -- Posted by Eff Ess on Mon, Jul 14, 2008, at 9:06 PM
  • JJ,

    What the hell is your problem?

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Mon, Jul 14, 2008, at 9:45 PM
  • First off JJGates I would like to know what the hell your problem is. I am a mother of 2 small children, at this point in my life I do stay home with my kids but I am able too. But I have had to be a working mother in the past and it is getting back to that point again. In this day in age we cant afford for both parents to not work. WE ARE ALL GOING BROKE!!!!!!!! Keep your negative comments to your self you should not judge a mother or anyone for that fact for working and trying to make it in this world, have you noticed the rising cost of food, gas, clothes, and um did i mention gas, and o yeah school is getting ready to start so now we all have to try to pay our bills buy school clothes, new shoes, and the supplies they need to go to school not to mention school lunches, class dues, and all the other crap schools think we need to pay for. THINK B4 YOU SPEAK you may offend someone.

    -- Posted by mommaof2 on Mon, Jul 14, 2008, at 10:18 PM
  • jj

    your mom must of smacked you around alot before and after work!! what a felch!! you probably dont know a hard days labor!

    -- Posted by themonsterinme on Mon, Jul 14, 2008, at 11:46 PM
  • While I think highly of Sam Dyer, I really think the spraying we do needs to be curtailed as much as possible. The unfortunate problem with the spray is that it is non-discrimnatory in that it kills all or most insect life.

    Albert Einstein was once asked, "What's the greatest threat today to the human race?"

    His reply was, "The lose of bees! Without bees we would probably become extinct in about 3 years." And here in California, we are starting to suffer from a bee shortage. The commercial bee providers are having trouble keeping enough of them and nothing else can pollenate some crops.

    There is even some studies suggesting that infrared cell phone and other telecom rays are a part of the problem, confusing the "navigation" and homing systems of the bees.

    Yes, I do know that there is a trade-off sometimes but I urge everyone to do as little spraying as possible. Thank you.

    -- Posted by White Tornado on Tue, Jul 15, 2008, at 12:22 AM
  • A survey of professional bee keepers this spring that reached approximately twenty five percent of them found that roughly one third of their colonies did not make it through the winter. While it is unlikely that the current fungicide spraying is related to the problem, pesticide spraying almost certainly is. Scientists are scrambling in an empirical search for the source, or more likely, sources of the problem, but have been unable so far to determine the answer.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Jul 15, 2008, at 2:11 AM
  • Does anyone care about what the Headline fungicide is doing to our health? Look it up online; New York doesn't even allow arial application of it.

    -- Posted by awake on Tue, Jul 15, 2008, at 6:26 AM
  • New York allows application of this fungicide under special provisions, but doesn't ban it completely. According to the EPA,"State-Specific Registrations, Under Section 24(c) of FIFRA, States can register a new pesticide product for any use, or a federally-registered product for an additional use, as long as there is both a demonstrated "special local need," and a tolerance, exemption from a tolerance, or other clearance under FFDCA. EPA can disapprove a State's special local need registration."

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Tue, Jul 15, 2008, at 7:27 AM
  • Check this website for what Einstein said, or did not say, about bees:


    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Tue, Jul 15, 2008, at 7:29 AM
  • JJGATES--I work to provide for my children -- my husband also works but his job does not offer health insurance for myself or my children so I suppose I could stay home with my children-- use your tax dollars for insurance-- as my kids suffer from chronic illnesses (cardiology appts, pulomonology appts etc) I agree that children benefit from being at home with their mothers-- so why don't you just write me a check for the doctors and I will glady change my position to -stay at home mom--you must be such a lonely little man-- how sad your attempt to BURN me also shows that you probably spend too much time watching your cable show "that 70's show"

    -- Posted by workingmom on Tue, Jul 15, 2008, at 12:08 PM
  • You know JJ not all jobs provide insurance, My husband is an EMT and works for an EMS system, they do not provide insurance for any of us, there for we have to buy our insurance from a private company, and that is not cheap. I am proud to say my kids are on MC+ with out that we could not afford medical insurance for my entire family due to certain medical problems my kids and I have. As I said in my last response this day and age it is not uncommen for both parents to have to work and that does not make ANY ONE OF US A BAD PARENT, in fact I think it makes us better parents, it shows kids that not everything can be handed down to you and sometimes you have to work for the things that you need and sometimes want. If you are married I feel for the women if you expect her to sit at home and wait on your butt hand and foot.

    -- Posted by mommaof2 on Tue, Jul 15, 2008, at 2:12 PM
  • Have you ever seen the film Idiocracy?

    "As the 21st century began, human evolution was at a turning point. Natural selection, the process by which the strongest, the smartest, the fastest, reproduced in greater numbers than the rest, a process which had once favored the noblest traits of man, now began to favor different traits. Most science fiction of the day predicted a future that was more civilized and more intelligent. But as time went on, things seemed to be heading in the opposite direction. A dumbing down. How did this happen? Evolution does not necessarily reward intelligence. With no natural predators to thin the herd, it began to simply reward those who reproduced the most, and left the intelligent to become an endangered species." from Idiocracy (2006).

    -- Posted by SecretAgentMichaelScarn on Tue, Jul 15, 2008, at 2:45 PM
  • so secret agent, of what line are you from-- and are you insunuating that those of us who reproduce are simply uneducated -- just wanted to check your credentials --

    -- Posted by workingmom on Tue, Jul 15, 2008, at 2:57 PM
  • I know several of the families involved in the most recent tragedy in Marshall involving minors and automobiles and consider them friends. I have prepared a "Teen Driver Contract" that I will make available, free of charge, to any parent who has a teen driver or to anyone who knows a teen driver. Obviously the contract is not legally binding. It is a one-page document and very easy to understand. If you would like a copy of this contract, just come by my office and pick one up. If this contract saves just one life, it will be well worth the effort. Jay Barton, 10 East Arrow, Marshall, MO.

    -- Posted by James Barton on Tue, Jul 15, 2008, at 3:47 PM
  • to secret agent: i love that movie and it is so true! the first 5 minutes in the movie says it all!!! :)

    -- Posted by awake on Tue, Jul 15, 2008, at 4:36 PM
  • Odd isn't it that our enemies never seem to change. In the dark ages, they recited the bible and ripped the lungs out of opponents while they were still alive.

    During WW II they recited Mein Kampf while shoving people into gas chambers. And, during most of my life, they shot you in the back of the head quoting Engels and Marx.

    And now they mis-use the Koran while bombing innocent folks for the 72 virgins.

    Same peopel, different books.

    Won't it be fun when they find out their virgins are all fat ugly men?

    -- Posted by White Tornado on Tue, Jul 15, 2008, at 11:20 PM
  • To Kathy Fairchild, actually the "common quote" for Einstein was originally presented by a German reporter. It was an adaptation from further comment that put Einstein's estimate of about 4 years for humans without bees and ants.

    Albert Einstein on the Importance of Bees.

    ""It is evident, therefore, that the dependence of the individual upon society is a fact of nature which cannot be abolished--just as in the case of ants and bees."

    -Albert Einstein

    You are correct in that it wasn't the direct quote at the time but rather a reporter's rendition later. Sorry if I misled. The point was to stress just how important are other species besides humans.

    Also, it highlghts the law of unintended consequences of some of our actions.

    A classical illustration, by rushing in to bring food to a starving town in Africa, we have to be careful not to destroy the infrastructure. Will the infusion ruin the local food supplier's business? We need to feed the starving without disrupting the local economy. It's not an easy task and takes some tight rope walking.

    -- Posted by White Tornado on Tue, Jul 15, 2008, at 11:45 PM
  • My former wife is in the midst of organizing a 50th high school re-union in Belleview, Wa. (we are still great friends) and it has gotten me to wondering if any of my old school mates have done anything like that.

    I graduated in 1955 and would be interested to hear from anyone of the mid 50's era. My favorite sports coach was Woody Gaba, basketball, but I think he is no longer with us.

    If you, or any of your friends, relatives or someone you know is from that era at MHS, please have them come on and comment. Thanks a bunch.

    My name is Robert Abney aka White Tornado (the name came from the guys, all black, that I played basketball with on a team in the Marines.)

    -- Posted by White Tornado on Wed, Jul 16, 2008, at 12:20 AM
  • James I think your contract is a terrific idea. As a parent of future drivers. I will be stopping by to attain my copy of the contract. WORD OF WISE ADVICE to concerned parents. I learned the hard way...TALK to you kids, really talk to them especially while they are out. Make it your business to know their business, they will not be happy, but they are still here. Don't become a cell phone parent. Forget the texting, TALK to your child. Only you know how your child truly sounds. And if they refuse to answer their phone, time to pick them up from where ever they are. I made that mistake and relied on texting to communicate with my child and boy was I deceived. How do you know if it is your child you are texting with? You don't. I am not saying don't trust your child I am just saying be very much a part of who they are, who they are with and what they are doing. Our responsibility as parents is to protect our children.

    -- Posted by ontheoutsidelookingin on Wed, Jul 16, 2008, at 12:52 AM
  • Congress has overridden Bush's pernicious veto of the Medicare legislation. Neither of the two major presidential candidates attended the veto override vote. Obama had voted for the measure the three previous times it had come to the Senate floor. He supports the legislation, and would have been there had the override vote in the Senate been close. A number of Republican Senators including Kit Bond of Missouri, felt the heat, and crossed party lines to vote yea. Bond had previously voted nay when the measure came to a vote. All of you senior citizens who are in the McCain camp will be dismayed to know that he missed all four votes on the issue, but has publically stated that he was opposed to it.That is not unusual he rarely strays from the Bush/Cheney position. For those seniors who have not bothered to become informed as to the substance of this important legislation, its purpose was to stop a ten percent cut in Medicare payments to Doctors. Many Doctors had began refusing to accept new Medicare patients because of the pending cut. Seniors if for whatever reason you are uncomfortable with Obama, please, for your own sake,examine his record on issues of importance to elder citizens. Also examine McCain's record on the same issues. Most of you will be more comfortable with Obama's record, than McCain's.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Jul 16, 2008, at 1:43 AM
  • To White Tornado: I was a classmate of your brother Don. I had already established your identity from the bits of personal information you had dropped into your posts. I recall your excellent ball handling skills, and the way Coach Gaba utilized them to stall out close games. I would tell you who I am excepting I still have family publically involved in Marshall. Many of my thoughts, and perceptions don't jibe with the conservative mainstream of Marshall. I do not want them to suffer from this old man's "radical rants". I welcome your fresh voice to the blog. My views regarding religion are close to yours. I always enjoy your comments. As I have read this blog one of the most interesting things to me is that many of the most perceptive well composed postings on this site often come from older commentators. I suppose that the radical youth of today present themselves in another forum, or perhaps it is just hard to state complex thoughts in text messaging. Oh well that is a subject for another day. Keep em coming.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Jul 16, 2008, at 2:13 AM
  • My dad graduated late 50's, 59 I believe. His name is Roger Bailey. Still alive and well in Central Kansas.

    -- Posted by kansas bailey on Wed, Jul 16, 2008, at 8:00 AM
  • Oklahoma Reader: If you are a classmate of Don, then I am a classmate of yours. Hope to see you at our class reunion this year.

    -- Posted by Cat Lover on Wed, Jul 16, 2008, at 1:30 PM
  • hello i am looking for a girl named ahlea roark her mother is barb i graduated with her if any one knows where she may be

    -- Posted by purpleroses on Wed, Jul 16, 2008, at 1:58 PM
  • To Whitetornado, If you are one of the Abneys from Napton Mo. I think ,Maybe, your Great Grandfather! Tom Abney.My mother was a friend of Marie Abney. they worked together at, Gus Lakes Tavern in Marshall. We would go for Sunday dinner with them, back in the early 40s in Napton, were they lived. Im an old man now Tom Abney was great guy, in my opinion! He liked his Beer, everyone did back then!

    -- Posted by Jo on Wed, Jul 16, 2008, at 3:13 PM
  • my sister was friends with ahlea also-- last we knew she was in the columbia/moberly area with her 2 children

    -- Posted by workingmom on Wed, Jul 16, 2008, at 3:23 PM
  • This is a blog, not a FIND A OLD FRIEND section!

    -- Posted by yomomma on Wed, Jul 16, 2008, at 3:30 PM
  • blog---on yomomma--

    -- Posted by workingmom on Wed, Jul 16, 2008, at 4:17 PM
  • Hey Yomomma - why can't someone use this blog for finding friends? It is a good use for blogs - much better than tearing someone down with ideas that are not very well thought out.

    -- Posted by Listening In on Wed, Jul 16, 2008, at 4:32 PM
  • Is it possible to remind our young youth, and perhaps the older ones as well, that when you are on your bicycles, the rules of the road apply. When you come to an intersection, if the light is red, you must stop. That applies to the 2, 3 and 4 wheeled variety of vehicles.

    I nearly ran down one young man as I came through an intersection (and my light was green). Had I not hit the brakes, he would have eaten my hood, and his friend would have eaten my door. Let's review. Red means stop. Green means go.

    -- Posted by Greg House on Wed, Jul 16, 2008, at 5:08 PM
  • Can someone explain Lt. Gov. Candidate Plattner's campaign strategy to me? She has raised $2958.10 ($2358.10 via personal loan); on June 30th, $2658.10 was spent on a web site. Less than two weeks later a 'Committee Termination Statement' was filed. On her web site it lists her "Campaign Events" as 2 Conservation Commission Meetings. I didn't realize that public state committee/commission meetings were considered campaign events. It also seems odd that someone would spend thousands of dollars on a campaign that would include no public appearances, no paid advertising or any type of effort to win. Of course she has said she is a candidate for Lt. Gov. in 2012.....five years in advance of an election!?? Perhaps she was announcing her 're-election' campaign already. Can anyone explain this bizarre behavior?

    -- Posted by saline mo on Wed, Jul 16, 2008, at 6:34 PM
  • Some nice responces, thanks folk. But first I must appologise to yomomma, I hesitated to ask as I was worried someone would be offended. I will definately try to refrain from seeking folks from the past. And I appreciate your position and ask for a tad of forebearence just for today.

    Any chance MDN would start a "Find an Old Friend" blog? Or is it a problem to post an email address on sites like this? Any opinions? I have no problem listing mine as I get tons of spam as it is. (NP as I have a delete button!)

    I remember Roger Bailey as he was the president of the 8th grade my senior year. And a pretty good bb player as I recall. And I have been busted as one of the Abney's from Napton.

    nanadot, I live in Northern CA an hour drive from SF so I don't get back there as all my family has long since moved or died. I do have an urge to do a "bucket list" or the "Blue Highway" one of these days. If you are puzzled, the blue highway is the long road back to all the places you once knew, an attempt to re-live the past.

    Marshall will be on the road map for that and nanadot will be on the list for coffee.

    Yomomma, thanks for the patience. My next entry will be topical and not nostalgic.

    -- Posted by White Tornado on Wed, Jul 16, 2008, at 10:40 PM
  • JJ, you say half empty while someone else says half full, I say we have a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be.

    Some very interesting comments on evolution. Check out Stanley Miller's lab tests, in the early '50's, 1952 I think, show how life started. He was able to generate life using the the various chemicals, ammino acids, etc. infused with electrical action such as would come from lightening bolts.

    Several good books on the recent trials around the country where schools have tried to rule out teaching evolution in favor of intelligent design. One of my favorite authors is Richard Dawkins, http://richarddawkins.net/ His book, "The Blind Watchmaker" is a must read. "Only A Theory" is the most recent book I've read on the subject.

    As for voting, "Just How Stupid Are We?" is great as is "The Age of American Unreason". Just be sure to remember that all polititians are just that and will tell you what they think you want to hear. And they will make it sound logical.

    For instance, how often to you hear them say "we want to tax business not the individuals!" but they don't tell you that business's don't pay taxes, people do. For example, raising the taxes for, say, Kellogg just means a raise in cereal cost which "taxes" all the people who eat cereal. (The employees, especially management, then get raises due to higher numbers in the gross income sheets).

    -- Posted by White Tornado on Wed, Jul 16, 2008, at 11:24 PM
  • I watched a lot of the recent Senate and House Finance committes questioning the federal reserve chairman and others. I am absolutely appalled at how little our Senators and Reps seem to understand about finance and banking. One female Rep from Mo. even ranted a question for 5 minutes about why small banks couldn't use the Fed "discount window" and how they should be able to use it. Bernanke just let her dig a big embarrassing hole and then explained to her that all banks can use the "discount window". (Basically means borrow from the fed, short term at lowest rates to cover short swings in capital investments.)

    If you watch Jim Cramer on CNBC (I'm not a fan but I watch now and then) he made some good points on the purpose and use of the up-tick rule for shorting stocks, showing how the SEC is not enforcing the laws which has had a lot to do with the current down market in stocks.

    -- Posted by White Tornado on Wed, Jul 16, 2008, at 11:25 PM
  • Back at you Nanadot.

    Jo, you are an old timer! I had my first in a tavern beer at Gus's. I was under twenty one, but he knew my Mom and Pop,and knew I wouldn't cause him a problem. By the way my folks were circulating at the time you recalled, you probably also knew them.

    WT I recently purchased Richard Dawkins' The God Delusion. My wife is getting first read on it. She opined that it makes one with unorthodox views of religion feel less alone. I had read a review of it in The Sunday New York Times that intrigued me, so we purchased it. NanaDot I believe you would enjoy the book. Another book that has been around for sometime that gives a very interesting perspective on american history is Howard Zinn's A People's History of The United States. Smokin Cheetah I think you would enjoy it as you continue your quest for knowlege. It is an eye opener concerning class structure and its origins in our country. It presents a convincing argument that the problems that our society encounters today were endemic from the time we first began settling the country, and pushing out its aboriginal peoples.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Jul 17, 2008, at 1:25 AM
  • Greg House

    I agree with your statement about bicyclist and the meaning of red and green. I would like to also add a reminder to bicyclist that they are not supposed to ride their bikes on the square. I've seen everything from the "pro" bicyclist that ride all over the countryside, to kids riding around against the flow of traffic with no hands on the handlebars and ipod ear plugs. There are signs on each corner of the square telling people not to ride bikes or skateboards there. Either people don't see them or ignore them. I'm afraid eventually someone will be hit and/or hurt! So please remember that bike riding is not allowed on the square or within one block of the square.

    -- Posted by Typesetter on Thu, Jul 17, 2008, at 9:26 AM
  • Acting Chief of Police Robert King confirmed a few minutes ago that, according to Marshall City Ordinance 29.326, "bicycle riding on the square is prohibited ... to include the square and within one block of the square on the streets leading to the square."

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Thu, Jul 17, 2008, at 10:21 AM
  • The Wiccans have a wonderful philosophy.

    "An it harm none....do what thou will"

    That's the way I like to roll.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Thu, Jul 17, 2008, at 2:38 PM
  • The problem with riding the fence is that without Christ redemption, there is no eternal life in heaven.

    -- Posted by milliemouse on Thu, Jul 17, 2008, at 3:37 PM
  • I just received the paper and noticed that Bill Vogel(should be Bill Vogl on the Demolition Derby pictures)

    -- Posted by t&d on Thu, Jul 17, 2008, at 3:41 PM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    Web version is fixed. Thanks for letting us know.
  • The same goes with Tom Vogel it should be Tom Vogl

    -- Posted by t&d on Thu, Jul 17, 2008, at 3:42 PM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
  • I feel as a Christian that it is my responsibilty to witness to others-- but I also feel that the information is out there and if you choose not to believe that is your choice-- my committment to Christ is what I want to instill in my children-- believe what you will as I will, I feel I am right in my beliefs and cannot be persuaded to change--so if you have been presented with all information and you still don't believe in the power of Christ that is your choice and as Christians we are not to condemn our neighbors for their beliefs or judge as Christ I feel is the ultimate Judge

    -- Posted by workingmom on Thu, Jul 17, 2008, at 4:57 PM
  • Workingmom,

    I wish more Christians were like you. So many feel that God is all powerful but lacking in the judgement department and it's thier job to fill in.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Thu, Jul 17, 2008, at 6:20 PM
  • OK-R, All of the books by Dawkins are worth reading, or at least the ones I have read and I think it's all of them. Also of great interest and value is Sam Harris's "The End Of Faith" as is "Why Atheism?" by George H. Smith.

    In fairness and balance, I recommend "The Case for a Creator" by Lee Strobel and "Reasons for Faith" by Mittelberg and 3 or 4 others. Both are easy interesting reading even though I think Strobel's case for a Creator really makes the case against a creator, a bit ironic in substance.

    As I've stated, I believe that religion is the root of all evil but a few authors I've enjoyed liked to make the case that faith was needed to control the unruly masses. But, of course, the Jim Jones's, the David Kreishs, and the current religious battles in the world have sure made a mockery of that idea.

    -- Posted by White Tornado on Thu, Jul 17, 2008, at 8:13 PM
  • For nanadot,OKR and any others who like to read, here are some recommendations. First, I just finished "The Candy Bombers" about the end of WW2 and the control of Berlin and our need to airlift all supplies, food, etc. into there. Really interesting look at the geo-political side.

    Also, recently read "Memo To The President Elect" by Madeleine AlBright. Then for a blast from the past, check out the Doug Adams "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" and all his books, about 6 or 7. All light and fun reading, fiction except the last one he wrote about taking treks to places where animals were in danger of extinction and how humans could help save then. Before he died, he established a foundation to help save rare species of animals.

    I just checked with Amazon but can't find the name of the book, and since I may move soon, I just gave most of my library to local libraries and hospice, about 3,000 books. Now I'm starting to miss them, keep coming up with something I need to re-read and no book!

    -- Posted by White Tornado on Thu, Jul 17, 2008, at 8:42 PM
  • -- Posted by milliemouse on Thu, Jul 17, 2008, at 10:13 PM
  • JJ did you like Millie's post because it left room for thought, or did you consider it art, perhaps an albino in a snow storm? I don't agree with you that the adjective "best" has any place in a description of it, I lean toward concise, or perhaps minimalist. I will concede that it is more interesting than some postings I have read on this, and other blogs.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Jul 18, 2008, at 12:15 AM
  • Cat Lover: I regret to say I won't be attending the class of 58 reunion. No offense intended but building a float, riding on it in a parade, and attending the homecoming game en masse just isn't my cup of tea. I am much more comfortable with gatherings of six or less. To each his/her own.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Jul 18, 2008, at 12:39 AM
  • There is a spirited ongoing discussion under the article "Following defense witnesses, two sides,". I am pasting my post from that site here. There are postings by others at the site that are serious and informative.

    I just got back to this section and caught up on the commentary. Firstly, I think most will agree that No child Left Behind is a disaster that must be discarded at the earliest possible moment. The conundrum is what should take its place? The sage comments of NanaDot and others are a starting point. The problem is that no one in authority is listening. Every member of the school board, and administration should be reading this blog. I doubt that any are. I would much prefer to see only general guidelines from federal and state education authorities, with the nuts and bolts of the education system devised at the local level. Those guidelines should deal more with what local authorities can not do rather than limit the options that may enhance the unique local environment. For instance public school boards could not install a system that featured any particular philosophy or theology. On the other hand outside authority would have little voice in how best to reach and teach the students in the local social environment. They would only have authority to advise as to available options when previous paths failed, to mentor rather than mandate. Any one size fits all system in a country as diverse, and large as we are is doomed to failure, and will ultimately end in the trash heap where No Child Left Behind will soon repose.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Jul 18, 2008, at 1:38 AM

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Jul 18, 2008, at 1:53 AM
  • Just a short note to WT and NanaDot before I hang it up. I appreciate your suggested readings. I will store them in my memory which fortunately still has retrieval capacity, and catch them as I can.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Jul 18, 2008, at 2:10 AM
  • Oklahoma Reader: I totally agree with you. Just going to go to the dinner to visit. Don't care about the rest.

    -- Posted by Cat Lover on Fri, Jul 18, 2008, at 11:21 AM
  • jj your best is yet to come

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Jul 18, 2008, at 6:43 PM
  • Short and sweet! (Yeah, right! Short, maybe.) Playing poker on line and ran longer than usual so just a quick comment, from Hobbs, "Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us."

    Cheetah, I don't recall the joke you refer to but you see I have a funny sense of humor. (Is that redundnt or superfluous? Never can keep those straight). But please rest assured that I never ever have a desire to embarass or hurt anyone with my words, only to possible influence their direction of thought, to get them to consider alternatives.

    Off to bed to read a new book I just got. "In Defense of America". Has anyone read it? If so, tell me what you think. I read pretty fast so I'll let you know tomorrow as it's a fairly short book.

    -- Posted by White Tornado on Fri, Jul 18, 2008, at 11:41 PM
  • JJ,

    I am with you on this. I hopefully can post my thoughts here and not have them deleted since they seem to get deleted on the actual artical.

    Why ask a former board member questions? I know for a fact 12 girls that are interested in the HS swim program and I will add 8 boys. Don't you think, Mr. Allen, that they would like to be included in the articals about the program? Why choose Mr. Barton? His daughter has not even benefitted from the program yet. You should have asked the parent of a member that was on the team perviously. They would have more insight then someone's father that has no idea what to expect from the program.

    Jillian will do a awesome job as Assistant. She has done wonders for the Y team. They have more team memnbers then pervious years making zone, state, and D1 and D2 times then under the leadership before her.

    With Mr. Heinzlers coaching abilities, he will whip these kids into shape. I applaude him for offering to take this task on. I comgratulate them both and they have my 200% respect for wanting to help these kids produce a excellent team this season. Who knows maybe more students will want to participate under this leadership then pervious seasons. Good luck Jillian and Jim. You will do great!

    -- Posted by get a clue on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 12:01 AM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    I wasn't at the meeting, so I can't say specifically why Jay Barton was quoted in the story about the swim team rather than someone else.

    I can speak to the issue more generally: We occasionally get criticized for quoting a particular person. It's a fair comment. We would like to get more voices and viewpoints out there than we often do. However, we usually have to work with what we have, and often what we have are comments from people who take the time to go to meetings and speak.

    We also exercise judgment about who seems to best represent a particular viewpoint. There isn't room to include every comment by everyone. A story in the paper attempts to very concisely convey the most important information about an event or issue. It's never going to be comprehensive. Those who disagree with our choices are welcome to voice their opinions on the matter.

    We should pursue other sources for stories, that's true. And those with something to say can also speak up -- not just at meetings but here on the website or by writing letters to the editor for publication -- both perfectly good ways to add information and opinion to a given story.

    I wish more people would write letters! I'd love to see local voices bump syndicated columnists off the Perspective page more often.

  • Sorry get a clue I just can't let this one go by without a comment. Althought Jillian does a great job with the younger/recreation swimmers, I have to clarify something... The reason the Y program had more swimmers making zone times, DII's and DI's is because of Coach Mike Ballard. He is in fact the coach for the competitive swimmers and pushes these kids to do their best at every meet and practice. I have no doubt Jillian will be a good Assistant Coach for the HS team but give credit where credit is due... It is because of Mike that the Y program is growing in numbers and better swimmers.

    -- Posted by mrsmom on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 9:59 AM
  • mrsmom,

    Okay, Mrs. Debbie Barton. Toot Mikes horn all you want, but it is a calborative effort on both sides. I have no doubt that Mike is a great coach. You obviously do not read my comments enough to know that my child has been on swim team since they were 6. I KNOW BOTH MIKE AND JILLIAN WELL!!! Why did the school board choose Jillan over Mike then??? Someone needs to GET A CLUE!

    -- Posted by get a clue on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 4:22 PM
  • Get a clue,

    Didn't mean to hit a nerve. My child is on the swim NOW as well and I KNOW WHO has made my kid a better swimmer. I'm not knocking Jillian. She's a great coach and I wish her well. I just think Mr. Ballard should get credit for building the Y program too.

    I'm not certain but I have heard that Mike didn't get the position because he didn't have enough college credit hours for certification AND MSHSAA will not allow him to coach the Manta Rays and the HS team at the same time. Which also maybe a problem for Jillian. I'm not sure Mr. Ballard even wanted the position.

    One more thing....If you had a clue you would know that Mrs. Barton is out of town this weekend at a swim meet.

    -- Posted by mrsmom on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 6:50 PM
  • Smokin' Cheetah,

    I didn't need the clue I DID read this and was well aware that they tried to hire him first. Heck I knew this before most of you all.

    But thanks anyway for the "clue."

    -- Posted by get a clue on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 9:43 PM
  • mrsmom,

    I am well aware of many things like,m the Mantarays were suppose to be on a break for 2 weeks before D2's. And have you not heard of laptop computers that can be used practically anywhere? Step into 2008 lady.

    Maybe you are confusing your childs improvment with other swimmers giving her help. Her daughter is a D2 and D1 swimmer and there are state and zone swimmers that your child could have benefitted from. Trust me my child has not learned anything from her child. My child has tallent of their own.

    -- Posted by get a clue on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 9:48 PM
  • OK, everyone out of the pool for a ten minute cool down. Tisk, tisk. Next thing you know someone is going to be slamming their shoe on the table like it's a soviet swim convention. Like a great King once said, "can't we all just get along?" As he got a taste of an LA officers' baton.

    -- Posted by Greg House on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 9:27 AM
  • Karen,

    As a new member of this community, I have just recently found your blog here on this inkless rag. I love it. I found so many of your thoughts and comments to be on the mark. I too would love to see the development of more "home grown" businesses rather than see big chains come in and snuff out the mom and pops. It sickens me to see a big business coffee shop, lumber retailer, food chain etc, come in and purge the community of a small shop that's been here for 30 years. I would love to see more lodging for guests as I have recently found out that when our hotels and motels are full, we herd our guests to Boonville or Sedalia. I'd also love to see a bookstore where you can kick your feet up and sip on something warm while enjoying a Steinbeck, Hemmingway or just the local paper. I have seen lots of properties on the market and it saddens me to see historic looking buildings sitting empty.

    Can anyone tell me why the depot is empty? Who owns it and are there plans to do something with it? I have recently seen what Sedalia did with their old depot. Can we put the chamber in there or maybe an art gallery that hosts concerts? Ah, noonday brown bag concerts at the depot. That would be refreshing.

    -- Posted by Greg House on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 9:42 AM
  • Mr. House,

    The last I heard was that Paul Thompson was the owner of the old depot. I'm not sure what he plans to do with it, but I once heard that someone wanted to turn it into a restaurant with a patio and specials every time a train went by. There for awhile, someone was working on it and painted some of the wood a dark green color. I too would love to see this old building restored into something that would benefit the community.

    -- Posted by Oldblackcat on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 10:15 AM
  • get a clue -

    Didn't mean to start an argument with you on the swim team. Just wanted to give kudos to Coach Ballard for building the program along with Ms. Pointer.

    Let's just agree to disagree...

    Obviously you have a chip on your shoulder...I'll pray for you.

    -- Posted by mrsmom on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 10:49 AM
  • mrsmom,

    Nope no chip. I think that to give praise to one you need to give praise to all. The ones that really need the praise is the children that are in the program. Well, that and ANY ONE OF THEM that had to put up with the coach before Jillian and Mike. I love Mike. I think that he is truely a wonderful coach and he pushes the kids to the utmost potential. Jillian as well does her best to give encouragement to the kids, old and beginners. Go ahead and pray for me though. Maybe it will work and I can get rid of this migrain that I have too. ;)

    -- Posted by get a clue on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 8:19 PM
  • Dear Clue: Just so you know, Chris Allen did not contact me to ask for a quote about the swim team and I did not contact him. In reality, when the Board met last Friday morning to discuss reinstatement of the swim team program, I attended the meeting...not as a former member of the Board, but, rather, as an interested parent and advocate of Marshall's swim programs. Also, other than the Board and administrators, Chris Allen and I were the only ones present. After the Board voted to reinstate the program, I simply thanked them on behalf of the swimmers and parents and Chris placed my thank you in his article exactly as I said it. My Mom always taught me to say "please and thank you" and even after all of these years, I have not forgotten that lesson. Never thought I would be criticized for saying thank you!

    -- Posted by James Barton on Mon, Jul 21, 2008, at 8:35 AM
  • Greg,

    Thanks for your kind words and I am happy to know that someone is reading what I enjoy writing. Oldblackcat I believe is correct in saying that Mr. Thompson was the last person I knew that owned the depot. What a wonderful old building the depot is and I agree, it would make for a great restaurant. Recently my family and I have experienced the Katy Trail and the restored depots are live art!

    I am not aware of any plans for the depot currently but maybe the owner will read this and speak up or out. I cannot help but think that money plays a large role with any new business undertaking whether that would include renovating a building or just moving in. We also have an empty restaurant off the square that is a historical building. Again, my first thought is cash flow. We can all dream but we need that pot of gold to fulfill.

    Several people have indicated their interest in a bookstore, coffee shop, internet cafe type establishment on this site. I think you would have a lot of backing Mr. House, go for it.

    By the way, welcome to Marshall and I hope it becomes your home for a long time. We need new blood and new ideas to keep our local businesses.

    K Mullins-Lamb

    -- Posted by writerintraining on Mon, Jul 21, 2008, at 1:44 PM
  • On ABC's 'Good Morning America' John McCain was asked about the situation in Afghanistan. His reply"...It's a serious situation....particularly given the situation on the Iraq/Pakistan border." Last week Sen. McCain made several references to Czechoslovakia.

    The only problem is the Iraq & Pakistan DO NOT share a border; and a quick update: Czechoslovakia has not existed since 1993. He has also (on several different occasions) gotten Sunni & Shia mixed up.

    If Senator Obama had made the same mistakes, does anyone think the 'mainstream media' would ignore such slips of the tongue?

    -- Posted by modemocrat on Mon, Jul 21, 2008, at 2:01 PM
  • where are the quilts?

    -- Posted by Eff Ess on Mon, Jul 21, 2008, at 6:20 PM
  • Nanodot! You are absolutely correct!

    -- Posted by Jo on Mon, Jul 21, 2008, at 7:00 PM
  • Okay, folks, Jay and Debbie Barton have as much right to advocate for their children as you do. According to reports, Mr. Barton was the only other outside person at the meeting besides Chris Allen. That ought to tell you something. I do wish the term "former board member" had not been used. He was there as a parent. I have no children involved in the swimming program, but I'm thrilled it's been reinstated. ALL activities that promote student participation are positive. MSHAA has strict rules about who can qualify as a coach. I'm sure Mr. Ballard is a great coach, but that doesn't matter if MSHAA won't accept his qualifications. Let's be thankful another program has been made available for our kids and that Jimmy and Jillian have stepped up to the plate to coach. By the way, in his day, Jimmy was an amazing competitive swimmer, I'm told. I know that at least one "at-risk" student benefited from this program last year. In my book, that makes it worthwhile.

    While I'm at it, thanks Mr. Barton for your contract for teenagers. You continue to have the best interest of our children (and community) at heart.

    -- Posted by oneofmany on Mon, Jul 21, 2008, at 8:45 PM
  • There's yet another tragedy, Bush Cheney and Co.

    will apparently never be held accountable for thier crimes which also sends the wrong message to future administrations. Dear Congress, thanks for nothing,

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Mon, Jul 21, 2008, at 10:34 PM

    Suppose for the moment that you owned stock in a giant complex corporation, and that you were so deeply invested in the corporation, that if the corporation failed, or even took a dramatic down turn you would be ruined. Further suppose that the corporation had not done well for a number of years, and that you are a member of the hiring committee that is to replace the outgoing executive. The new executive will have a four year guaranteed contract from which he can not be terminated even if it turns out that he is utterly incompetent.

    An applicant appears before you that has held a lesser position in the corporation. You are furnished background information that states his major weakness is comprehension of economic issues. He has admitted this weakness, and for several years has said he is going to get up to speed on the issue, but as yet has not. He is seventy two years old. He admits that he does not know how to get online on a computer, nor anything about email. He confesses that if he must utilize a computer his much younger second wife does it for him. He also says he is going to get up to speed on that. Though the business of the corporation includes heavy involvement with other nations, he confuses where some of those nations are located. He also gets mixed up as to how the various factions within those nations are aligned. With so much of your future riding on it would you select this man as the new executive?

    If so you should vote for John McCain as the next president of the United States.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Jul 22, 2008, at 12:03 AM
  • Nana Dot: Thank you able fellow traveler.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Jul 22, 2008, at 12:32 AM
  • ok have a question.. where is the oil united states has in oil reserve.. or whatever it's called, they can bring down gas prices if they wanted to

    -- Posted by lhcg on Tue, Jul 22, 2008, at 3:20 AM
  • Here's some information about oil reserves in the U.S.


    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Tue, Jul 22, 2008, at 7:14 AM
  • my name is "integrity at all costs" and i like to cry... waaa waaa waaa.

    having this speak out forum (this isn't really a blog) and the ability to comment on specific articles might be the best thing that ever happened for the Marshall Democrat News since they first put their news online. Many news websites from the Kansas City Star's kansascity.com to CNN.com have sections for people to comment on articles. if you have a problem with people commenting about other people in scandals and controversies, then maybe you should they shouldn't get involved in scandals.

    I hope the staff at Marshall Democrat News keep up the good work providing us news in print and online in this modern world.

    -- Posted by SecretAgentMichaelScarn on Tue, Jul 22, 2008, at 2:48 PM
  • Comments made on this forum are the same things that have been said in privte settings and public restaurants. Seems it stings more when you see it in writing or when it is directed to people you know or yourself. Heck, if it was the other guy it would be okay just as long as it's not me....hog wash.

    To those who have posted ugly, mean comments, defied the guidelines set on what began as a harmless open form for expression of opinions and discussions, do you remember the old Demo News site? It, too, had something on this line and was shut down because rules were broken.

    Once again, the few bad apples are spoiling the barrel. Perhaps a good weedding out or, as we do children when they misbehave, a long time out from posting should be envolked.

    -- Posted by Muffin on Tue, Jul 22, 2008, at 3:39 PM
  • not,

    You might be interested in this story about T. Boone Pickens' proposals. He wants to shift from oil to a combination of wind power and natural gas.


    That strikes me as a potentially wise compromise between going to all-renewable energy, which we just aren't ready to do yet (and may not have time to *get* ready) and non-renewable but more accessible energy sources.

    I'm not sure oil is a smart bet in any case.

    -- Posted by Eric Crump on Tue, Jul 22, 2008, at 5:09 PM
  • Thanks to Muffin and Integrity At All Costs for saying what many feel. This forum is great as long as people stick to the guidelines. When it becomes a venue for personal vendettas, it is less effective. My concern, again, is that children/teens are reading these "adult" comments. Sometimes there is a thin line between blogging and cyberbullying. I'm sure there would be much less trash talk if true identities were revealed, as they must be in a letter to the editor.

    -- Posted by oneofmany on Tue, Jul 22, 2008, at 7:33 PM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    I'm glad we're getting input from people who object to the nasty comments some people post. We get input, too, from people who object to the deletion of comments we deem inappropriate.

    It's always a challenge to find the right balance between freedom and responsibility, but it helps greatly to hear from members of the community, to know where they would like the line drawn.

    There isn't likely to be a clear consensus on the matter, but it helps us continually evaluate how we enforce our guidelines to hear what you all think.

  • Marshall Democrat News, I want to say that I am impressed with your online newspaper. Blogs and comments are a way to give your opinion on topics. What I hate to see is bloggers using offensive language in their comments, for example, notgvnasht. This blogger could make more of an impact with his comments if he didn't use the language.

    -- Posted by iteach on Tue, Jul 22, 2008, at 7:34 PM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    We haven't forced people to change their user names, even though a couple of them have been challenged. One account was deleted because the user's name was misrepresenting local members of a profession.
  • Ok,

    I'd be happy to tell Obama everything on your list if you will do me the courtesy of telling Bush and Cheney a few choice words that I have in mind.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Tue, Jul 22, 2008, at 8:16 PM
  • I think iteach makes a good point.

    Just from a rhetorical standpoint, a crude name erodes the credibility of the speaker in the eyes of most readers. The writer may be able to compensate by the quality of their arguments, but I always figure: Why dig yourself a hole you have to then climb out of just to get back to level ground?

    -- Posted by Eric Crump on Tue, Jul 22, 2008, at 8:38 PM
  • Maybe it would be easier for those few with questionable user names to transition to a new creative one, if they could have a grace period before entirely discarding the old one. For example norelease formerly known as ntgvnasht. After a set period of time the old name would have to be discarded, with only the new name remaining. Regular visitors to the blog would still recall the old name, therefore the poster's point would continue to be made.

    However, I do not believe that it is desirable to force people to post their actual name. It is an erosion of freedom. It is easy enough for those who seldom express an opinion outside the mainstream comfort zone to say I wouldn't lose anything by putting my name to it. For others it would be more difficult. For a few it would amount to supression of their ideas. This blog gives opportunity to people who because of fear of economic retaliation, or other forms of retaliation, literally can not voice their ideas.

    On the other hand, personal attacks do pop up from time to time that are far removed from the exchange of ideas. The offenders firstly are punished by other bloggers who deride their comment. They also are punished in some instances by the removal of the offending comment. I believe that there are others whose own remorse is the greater punishment. I know there have been a few times when I have written things that I wish I had not, and it bothered me. I have tried to profit from my errors of that nature by focusing harder on disagreeing with an action, idea, or statement, not an individual, depersonalizing the issue if you will. Harsher measures may be necessary for the few who habitually use the cover of their screen names to hurl insults at others. Three strikes and you are out may be appropriate. Out as in your name is stated on the blog along with your screen name. If the individual would not agree to that access could be quietly terminated. Personally, I have no problem with things the way they are. I think Mr. Crump does a great job, monitoring the blog. He is also spot on with his comment that screen names that many find offensive diminishes the audience, and credibility of the poster.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Jul 23, 2008, at 12:35 AM
  • My comment regarding the questionable user names was tongue in cheek. Sometimes my expressions of delight in the absurd are far too obscure. I was referencing the rocker Prince, and the media's problems when he changed his name to a symbol. I should have said so, then my feeble attempt at humor would not have been misconstrued which I regret. It probably still isn't humorous, but I can live with that. The remainder of my comment was sincere.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Jul 23, 2008, at 9:27 AM
  • One of your best Smokin Cheetah. Thanks for the LOL at the end, now that is humor.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Jul 23, 2008, at 9:38 AM
  • It was just reported in the news that while President Bush thought he was off camera yesterday he commented that "the people on Wall Street had gotten drunk and were now suffering the hangover." FINALLY, we have found a subject that President Bush can speak on with some expertise!

    -- Posted by James Barton on Wed, Jul 23, 2008, at 9:49 AM
  • You guys are beating me to death with your illustratios of humor. Nice James.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Jul 23, 2008, at 10:10 AM
  • It is interesting that when ONE Republican candidate for governor (Rep. Hulshoff)appears in Marshall it garners a photo & a 600+ word article. I agree that this is a newsworthy item. However, it is equally interesting that when SEVEN state-wide Democratic candidates appear at a function with 400 guests, it is not worth a photo or even a mention in this paper.

    -- Posted by modemocrat on Wed, Jul 23, 2008, at 12:53 PM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    The Democratic Party event *was* worth a photo and a story, but I didn't get the job done. Too much to do, not enough time. My apologies. Next time I'll do better. If it helps, I attended the Pachyderm Club's Lincoln Day dinner in the same general timeframe and didn't get a story done on that, either.

    I may have failed, but at least I failed bipartisanly :-)

  • modemocrat: I think you've mentioned us missing this particular event before. Our failure to cover it wasn't intentional. When an article or photo does not appear in the paper after some event, it *may* be that organizers of the event didn't let us know beforehand. I'm not suggesting that's the case here, because I'm not sure, but one thing I'm sure of is that we don't deliberately cover some events and ignore others on a politically-motivated basis.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Wed, Jul 23, 2008, at 1:01 PM
  • Ms. Fairchild, I know for a fact that this newspaper was notified. I know that a news release was sent and an ad was also puchased that appeared in your paper.

    "it *MAY* BE that organizers of the event didn't let us know beforehand..."

    Then why mention it??

    -- Posted by modemocrat on Wed, Jul 23, 2008, at 1:26 PM
  • modemocrat: As I mentioned, I was not sure whether we'd been notified or not. Either way, my point is that we don't pick and choose what to cover on a partisan basis, as you seemed to suggest. I notice that Eric has also posted a reply. Between us, I believe we have responded in more than adequate fashion.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Wed, Jul 23, 2008, at 2:22 PM
  • Cheetah - Do you think the NRA will take him? His ability to aim a weapon seems questionable to me. Or maybe that's not a qualification for the position. ;)

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Wed, Jul 23, 2008, at 5:25 PM
  • Correct me if I am wrong (and I'm sure someone will take pleasure in doing so), but didn't I read in the MDN some time back that ConAgra had to assure the City that they would not use the area where the Marshall Lumber Co. building was for a parking area? I drive by there every morning and it is full of cars. It seems to me that taking a building down so that the area would not look blighted is not much better than having visitors to our town see a huge parking lot just one block off the city square.

    -- Posted by Typesetter on Wed, Jul 23, 2008, at 9:40 PM
  • I just found the article in the MDN entitled, ConAgra Plans Demolishion Soon of 4 Buildings in Marshall dated January 17, 2008. Here is the quote from the article. "According to Mayor Connie Latimer, ConAgra acquired the Marshall Lumber property from the city in July 2005, with the understanding that it would not be used for a parking lot. The property is to be used only for building expansion."

    -- Posted by Typesetter on Wed, Jul 23, 2008, at 9:47 PM
  • Typesetter: I think the cars you're seeing in that lot are there temporarily, while constructions crews work on ConAgra's expansion. I'll try to confirm that later today.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Thu, Jul 24, 2008, at 6:08 AM
  • Typesetter: We confirmed this morning that it's the construction crews you're seeing in the lots near ConAgra, so it's a temporary situation. They expect to finish the expansion project some time this fall.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Thu, Jul 24, 2008, at 11:39 AM
  • Greg, the old train depot is owned by Paul Thompson DDS here in Marshall. I've talked to him several times about the building and his future plans for the building. His family has a fascinating yet sad history with the depot.

    -- Posted by John Q. on Fri, Jul 25, 2008, at 12:09 AM
  • I want to say that some days I see people at their worst-- by my faith in human compassion has been renewed-- walking in wal-mart I saw a little boy that was panicky as he had lost $5 that was meant for a toy ( I know this is a judgment-- but the mother looked also upset and the $5 was a big deal to her and her son)-- another little boy in the aisle whispered-- mom-- can we give him $5 -- the mother took out a $5 dollar bill and the other little boy said -- I found your $5 and gave to that one-- I just wanted to note that there are parents in this area that are instilling wonderful values and compassion in their children--

    -- Posted by workingmom on Fri, Jul 25, 2008, at 9:54 AM
  • workingmom thanks for posting this it really brightened up my day.

    To who ever the mom was at walmart well done not so much for giveing the $$$$$ but just for teachin your son what compassion is.

    Every on have a great weekend

    -- Posted by Gal66 on Fri, Jul 25, 2008, at 12:44 PM
  • This post is for those who are interested in and support the glass program that Mr. Harris is trying to get started at the high school. This has been a long hard road for Shawn, with many ups and downs. He has persevered through MANY setbacks, mostly due to the ever changing climate of the administration and Board. I would like to ask you and everyone else reading this, if you support the program, PLEASE find a way to help. With so much negative publicity for our district, wouldn't it be great to be put on the map for something so positive for our kids!!!! Even if you only have a few dollars to spare, every little bit helps! This would be such a positive thing for our school, our kids, and our community. He is only $31,620 away from the highest bid........if 64 people donated $500, or if 127 people gave $250, he would have enough to make it happen! If this "village" would work together, we could be a part of history in the making here in Marshall, Mo.!!!!!!!!

    If you need information to make a donation - contact the high school.

    -- Posted by outsidelookin'in on Fri, Jul 25, 2008, at 6:28 PM
  • It is good to see others interested in the hard work of Mr. Harris and the efforts created to start a glass program at Marshall High. As most can figure out from previous posts, I enjoy the arts and since moving here, have looked for more arts in this area. I am surprised Marshall doesn't have an Arts Council. I have been to Perchils and The Pahlo and even enjoyed the art on the square from the high school students. I would like to see more art opportunities for the students of Marshall High School. This chance for a glass studio sounds like a once in a lifetime shot and as I understand it, Marshall would be the only high school in the state that has a glass program! That's amazing. To be the first! I can only imagine what opportunities that would bring to the students and the community. I will be contacting the high school to find out more about sending in my contribution. I urge others to do so too.

    -- Posted by Greg House on Fri, Jul 25, 2008, at 9:58 PM
  • While there are several posters to this venue that ably post Democratic Party themes, and progressive views on politics there is an absence of well stated conservative, and Republican Party themes. When there has been comment by those who claim to be conservatives, it has too often been either a personal attack on the poster of comments they deem liberal, or an attack on the comment without definitive counter argument. Rarely have I seen a postulation of conservative theory on any topic, with illustration and example to support it. I view this dearth with a sense of foreboding. I am curious as to the reasons for it.

    Recently, while reading a conservative blog I found comment among Young Republicans that bemoaned their shrinking ranks. They stated that they were at best small children during the Reagan years, and that the older Republicans' penchant for citing the Reagan Revolution for them, had no relevance nor resonance. They did not want to hear about "the good old days". They stated they were ready to move beyond narrowly constructed social themes such as resistance to homosexual rights. They also expressed great concern about environmental stewardship. So, I post the question what is happening to the conservative movement? Where is your voice? Where is your political soul? Are you in disarray, and despondent concerning the failure of the neoconservative movement? Do you miss traditional conservative values such as fiscal conservatism, and preservation of privacy? Do you feel more akin to Libertarian Bob Barr than Republican John McCain? Are you secretly intrigued by some of Barak Obama's ideas? What do you think your party should do about the horrible state of health care in our nation? What do you see them doing about that problem? I am just wondering where you are, and what you have to say.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Jul 26, 2008, at 3:43 AM
  • Just when you think no one cares, along comes someone with a great example that proves they do. Workingmom - thanks so much for sharing that story. It made my day brighter!

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Sat, Jul 26, 2008, at 7:12 AM
  • I am assuming there was a board meeting yesterday, Eric you mentioned 72 hour waiting period. Does that mean these teachers will know something before the end of the weekend? What about the public, I mean school starts in a few short weeks. I am sure there are many people wondering the outcome! Any information?

    -- Posted by bigpicture on Sat, Jul 26, 2008, at 9:04 AM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    There was a board meeting scheduled for 6:30 p.m. Friday. The 72-hour period begins, however, when the board makes a decision, and I don't know whether they did. Board President Anita Wright has assured me the board will make information available as soon as possible in this case. The board is acutely aware of the intense interest in the outcome.
  • Eric; it didn't take you very long at all to eliminate my last comments. I really understand the vital importance you liberals have to protect each other, it's certainly necessary since you really don't have solid ground to stand on relative to your distorted views. To use the term "cover each others backs" would sound way too military for you guys and would probably offend you, so I decided to use "protect each other" in this instance.

    Times Online has a great piece by Gerard Baker about the messiah (Obama) who has the "occasional detour into the odd weed and a little blow." It's a very humorous article, read it if you dare!

    It's amazing, 'spell check' keeps telling me to change the word "Obama" to "Osama". I guess I understand why it is confused; the only difference in the two names is a little b.s.!

    -- Posted by Billfromraytown on Sat, Jul 26, 2008, at 3:03 PM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    I assume you're referring to this column by Baker:


    Baker has written several columns recently about Obama:



  • Well, now...isn't that interesting? My spellcheck doesn't flag either Osama or Obama as being in need of any change. Please don't change anything to spare this raised-in-a-military-family woman. And "read it if you dare?" Oh, honestly.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Sat, Jul 26, 2008, at 5:25 PM
  • Kathy; you may want to consider up-grading your spell check.

    Hopefully Obama will only be a 'flash in the pan', so that spell check won't ever have to include it.

    So am I to assume that you did read 'great' piece by Gerard Baker?

    -- Posted by Billfromraytown on Sat, Jul 26, 2008, at 6:54 PM
  • LOL...I had fearlessly read it earlier. Hardly Nobel material, despite the comment that said so. My preference is to read something of substance.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Sat, Jul 26, 2008, at 7:02 PM
  • Eric; http://tinyurl.com/5bgetv

    "He ventured forth to bring light to the world

    The anointed one's pilgrimage to the Holy Land is a miracle in action - and a blessing to all his faithful followers........."

    -- Posted by Billfromraytown on Sat, Jul 26, 2008, at 7:08 PM
  • Kathy; it has a lot of substance and truth; it's all about the messianic image portrayed by Barack Hussein himself and the mindless followers who trail behind him. Oh, and we certainly don't want to leave out his most willing servants the liberal media, who are at his every bidding!

    -- Posted by Billfromraytown on Sat, Jul 26, 2008, at 7:20 PM
  • At his bidding, eh? LOLOLOL...we must have missed that email.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Sat, Jul 26, 2008, at 7:36 PM
  • Kathy; apparently you ARE owing up to being part of the "liberal media", just sounds like you are lagging behind on getting your marching orders. The Demorats do still have a Saline County headquarters don't they? I used to go there around election time and get free stuff when I was a kid (didn't know any better then). Maybe you just need to stop by there and pick up a current copy, their computer may be down (no e-mail)..........LOL

    -- Posted by Billfromraytown on Sat, Jul 26, 2008, at 9:53 PM
  • Mr. Bill - I am "owing up" to nothing. Since I'm not a political writer of any sort, and don't deal at all with politics in my column, your categorization of me as part of the "liberal media" doesn't carry much weight. Within the last several days, this paper has been accused of 1) covering a Republican candidate and ignoring Democrats, and 2) being biased on the "liberal" side. That should speak for itself.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Sun, Jul 27, 2008, at 7:56 AM
  • Kathy; wow, apparently I touched a sensitive nerve. Since the original comments were directed at Mr. Crump (who is obviously a staunch liberal and socialist) you really shouldn't be so offended. But it was you who weighed in on my comments and thusly became entwined in the conversation.

    Fact is most of the main stream media has a very liberal bias; they don't even make any effort to hide it nowadays.

    By the way, I'm sure it was obvious, but I meant to say "owning up". But, you know "owing up" might be a good term to use, it could imply feeling obligated toward a cause without really understanding why! That's what I find with most liberals when I actually get an opportunity to sit down with them and converse (and most of them actually like me when they get to know me). I have discovered that many of them have beliefs and values that are quite contrary to the liberal cause.

    Fact is that most of the people around Marshall are Democrats, but their beliefs, values, and character qualities certainly don't run parallel to the "new" Democrat Party, its beliefs and values, or its platform. They are Democrats because their parents were or they still believe the baloney about the Democrat's being for the little guy.

    P.S…..I'm sure Oklahoma Reader's $20.00 words are meant to impress the simpletons out there (including me). Sorry, but when you spew garbage with articulate words, it still comes out garbage!

    -- Posted by Billfromraytown on Sun, Jul 27, 2008, at 9:53 AM
  • Sensitive nerve? Nah. This November, I will be voting in a presidential election for the 11th time (and I haven't missed any) and I seriously doubt that anyone who does not know me very, very well could ever guess how I voted in most of them. I pick my candidate by considering both sides, and figuring out who, in my opinion, is the better candidate.

    You are entitled to your opinion, of course. It would be nice if you could do it without always going for the throat, and without personal attacks - that said, I fully subscribe to the constitutional right of all citizens to speak their minds.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Sun, Jul 27, 2008, at 10:46 AM
  • Oh Boy! Bill from Raytown is back!

    BTW Bill, the joke about the difference between Obama and Osama is just a little BS is as old as your ramblings. You accuse others of being "mindless followers". That is not only hilarious it's the epitome of hypocrisy. Speaking of "mindless followers", how is your boy George doing thses days?

    Personally I feel that if this country were finally adult enough see past the BS and elect it's first African American president then there is hope for us, or will we yet again go with another old rich white guy who probably could care less about you and me. This country will never have the best and brightest for our leaders as long as there are attitudes like yours. You should be ashamed of yourself. One more thing, Rush Limbaugh called and he wants his talking points back.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Sun, Jul 27, 2008, at 11:34 AM
  • You know Kathy that may be one of the most intelligent posts made here yet. I find many of your posts to be a little defensive but here you have spoken out on the side of thought. Let's see, I don't fit in box A or box B but which one of these characters best suits me on the subjects that I care about the most? Wow! Where did you come up with that? I mean you have to fit in a box don't you? Our friend the Okie says that the Democrats are the only way to go.... Do they all have the same opinion? Maybe they do now without Leiberman. JJ is all the way for McCain. It would appear mostly because he is a Republican or possibly because McCain allows for the most sarcasm. JJ do you really have enough money to consider yourself a Republican? The real question is do you really believe all of the drivel that spews out of either one of their mouths anyway? It is all about saying whatever you have to in a way that least contradicts what you said the day before in order to garner the most votes to obtain the most powerful political office in the world so that you can then do what ever you want to. For the record I consider myself a conservative. I hope that I have not presented myself in a overtly illiterate fashion.

    -- Posted by broke-n-busted on Sun, Jul 27, 2008, at 12:02 PM
  • Billy, Billy, Billy......very humorous comments. It appears that you have all the buzz words/phrases correct: 'liberal media', Obama/Osama ("BS"....what an old line), Mr. Baker' (a self described 'neo, neo-con') article:"it has a lot of substance and truth...."(and I thought it was satire), "...obviously a staunch liberal and socialist". You forgot to include "death tax", "pro-abortion", "they want to take your guns", etc., etc.

    Where is your substance, where are your facts, why do you make personal attacks and baseless accusations? FYI, if you are needing information from the Democrats, let us know; we would be happy to e-mail any information/materials that you might need; just go to our web site and make a request (I am sure you can do the same with the Saline County Republicans.......oops....forgot they don't have a web site "nowadays". ) Our headquarters will be opening soon, we hope you will stop by and enlighten us with more of your profound wisdom; we might even give your some more 'free stuff' and hopefully bring back some pleasant, happy childhood memories.

    -- Posted by modemocrat on Sun, Jul 27, 2008, at 12:14 PM
  • Broke-n-busted: Yeah, that "thinking about it " thing is how I do it. There is almost always something I agree with on one side or the other and often on both sides. My preference is to vote for a candidate whose stated views are ones I can wholeheartedly support, which, unfortunately, hasn't always ocurred. There have been times when I had to mark my ballot for a candidate I wasn't wild about, but the other candidate was worse, in my view. It's better to vote for someone that way than not at all, I feel, but it isn't always comfortable.

    What makes me admire any politician is a consistent, well thought out and well-considered opinion stated clearly, one they stick with, even in the face of opposition. Not many can meet that standard. With so many outlets for information, it's often hard to keep track of who's in favor of (or against) a particular issue on a particular day.

    There are some politicans I admire - Barry Goldwater of Arizona and Jim Leach of Iowa are two who come to mind, though there again, I didn't like every position each one held on the issues and didn't live in their states, anyway. In Goldwater's case, I wasn't old enough to vote in his run for president, and at this remove, don't know if I would or would not have done so.

    To me, it's all about voting - just get out there and vote, instead of staying home on election day and finding every possible way to avoid it - and cast your ballot. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, but the best part of voting is that if you lose, at the very least you get the right to complain.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Sun, Jul 27, 2008, at 12:55 PM
  • NanaDot: Who were the two conservatives Moyers interviewed?

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Sun, Jul 27, 2008, at 1:23 PM
  • Broken'Busted welcome to the fray. I look forward to your future postings. While many that read my postings assume that I am a 'liberal", that is not the case. I consider traditional liberal philosophy to be just as worn out as neoconservatism. Neither meet the challenges faced by twenty first century America. I am a populist. One basic tenant of populism is that if you want to get it done it has to start at the grass roots. That in a general sense means outside the Washington beltway. Populism is not confined to "liberals, nor "conservatives", it ias about restoring the power to the people. Mike Huckabee, and Mike Gravel on the right struck certain populist chords in their campaigns. So did John Edwards on the left. Populism has not gained the strength...yet, to nominate its standard bearers as presidential candidates of either major party. Earlier in this posting I mentioned the grass roots. This usually conjures up an image of the little guy with five bucks in his pocket. That image is far too narrow. As an example I give you T. Boone Pickens. I reviled him when he gave a million dollars to the Swift boaters. He now states " I have been an oil man all my life, but this is one emergency we can't drill our way out of". With no material encouragement from The Republican Administration nor anyone else in the Beltway he has embarked on a massive wind generated electricity project. He is making a grass roots difference. He is a pragmatic populist on the issue of energy. Washington will fall in line when he is successful. I applaud his effort. Both parties are going to have to make adjustments to remain relevant, so again I ask concerned "conservatives" what do you think the Republican must do to remain relevant?

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Jul 27, 2008, at 1:26 PM
  • Oklahoma Reader I did not refer to you as a liberal but did link you to the Democratic Party - from comments that you have made. If you are a true Populist then you would lean toward the People's Party and really don't have much to choose from - this being a two party system. Although I labeled myself a conservative for the sake of simplicity I lean toward the center of the scale and might be referred to as moderate. I hear reports from the admittedly liberal press (no reference to MDN here) that a majority of America is slightly on the conservative side of the scale. Given that, all the Republicans have to do to remain in the fracas - to remain relevant as you put it - is to stay closer to the statistical center of popular opinion. (And, I will also add, to not continue do stupid things that cause that statistical center to shift.) The Democrats have made this easy for them to do by choosing candidates from their midst that are the most liberal. If America is given far left and far right to choose from there is still much to debate. If one side (particulaly the Democrats) would choose a candidate somewhat more moderate then they would have a statistical advantage. You would have thought they might have figured that out with Clinton. I guess supporting their most extreme ideolgy is more important to them than putting a President in office. Had the Democrats chosen Edwards instead of Kerry last go around our world might look a bit different right now. Given the case at hand where the Democratic Party has again choosen from among their most liberal of candidates I propose that the Republicans need do nothing to remain relevant! Fortunately for them they have that covered.

    I will join you with the hats off to T. Boone Pickens - with the full realization that he is going to make a lot of money doing this. That isn't a bad thing. I hope he makes a boat-load of money on wind energy while he helps to lead us out of our energy dependence. I hope our elected officials don't tax him and regulate him until he is numb and he stops. I guess I shouldn't worry about that our current elected officials give the impression that it is difficult for them to find their way to work each day much less do something when they get there.

    -- Posted by broke-n-busted on Sun, Jul 27, 2008, at 3:29 PM
  • Broke and OK Reader - I'm with you, so far, on Pickens. His foray into the swift boat mess was, at best, misguided. If he makes money, but he gives us a better way to solve our energy problems and doesn't make the situation worse, that's great. Actually, making money by inventing a better mousetrap is pretty much the American model, isn't it?

    And I agree that the center, if that's where the voters are, is where politicians should be hanging out. One of the disasters in American culture IMHO over the last 40 years is the extreme polarization that's pervaded nearly everything. We're no longer tolerant of others' beliefs except to insist that they are wrong. We can't even agree to disagree!

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Sun, Jul 27, 2008, at 3:52 PM
  • NanaflyoffthehandleDot - Don't believe I said beans about deregulation but I do stand by what I said.

    -- Posted by broke-n-busted on Sun, Jul 27, 2008, at 4:07 PM
  • Personally, I'd like to see a voting mechanism similar to a McDonald's drive thru. Yes, I'd like candidate number one, super sized, add honesty, work ethic and a healthy respect for the original constitution. Hold the BS, and double speak. Can I super size American jobs located here at home and add aid to those who need it most, hold the federal spending on unnecessary $300 hammers and gold plated toilet seats and add homeland defense even if it means sealing the border and kicking out illegals who should go through proper procedure to get here. Once that's ordered, my candidate is handed to me in a plain white, recycle ready bag. BUT, I know that once I've driven off, I'll find an onion or unnecessary slice of pickle in there. Go figure.

    -- Posted by Greg House on Sun, Jul 27, 2008, at 5:42 PM

    -- Posted by slater41 on Sun, Jul 27, 2008, at 6:11 PM
  • The Ant and the Grasshopper......

    This one is a little different? Two different versions! Two different


    OLD VERSION: The ant works hard in the withering heat all summer long,

    building his house and laying up supplies for the winter.

    The grasshopper thinks the ant is a fool and laughs and dances and plays the

    summer away. Come winter, the ant is warm and well fed.

    The grasshopper has no food or shelter, so he dies out in the cold.

    MORAL OF THE STORY: Be responsible for yourself!



    The ant works hard in the withering heat all summer long, building his house

    and laying up supplies for the winter.

    The grasshopper thinks the ant is a fool and laughs and dances and plays the

    summer away.

    Come winter, the shivering grasshopper calls a press conference and demands

    to know why the ant should be allowed to be warm and well fed while others

    are cold and starving.

    CBS, NBC, PBS, CNN, and ABC show up to provide pictures of the shivering

    grasshopper next to a video of the ant in his comfortable home with a table

    filled with food. America is stunned by the sharp contrast.

    How can this be, that in a country of such wealth, this poor grasshopper is

    allowed to suffer so?

    Kermit the Frog appears on Oprah with the grasshopper and everybody cries

    when they sing, 'It's Not Easy Being Green.'

    Jesse Jackson stages a demonstration in front of the ant's house where the

    news stations film the group singing, 'We shall overcome.' Jesse then has

    the group kneel down to pray for the grasshopper's sake.

    Nancy Pelosi & Harry Reid exclaim in an interview with Larry King that the

    ant has gotten rich off the back of the grasshopper, and both call for an

    immediate tax hike on the ant to make him pay his fair share.

    Finally, the EEOC drafts the Economic Equity & Anti-Grasshopper Act

    retroactive to the beginning of the summer.

    The ant is fined for failing to hire a proportionate number of green bugs

    and, having nothing left to pay his retroactive taxes, his home is

    confiscated by the government.

    Hillary gets her old law firm to represent the grasshopper in a defamation

    suit against the ant, and the case is tried before a panel of federal judges

    that Bill Clinton appointed.

    The ant loses the case.

    The story ends as we see the grasshopper finishing up the last bits of the

    ant's' food while the government house he is in, which just happens to be the

    ant's' old house, crumbles around him because he doesn't maintain it.

    The ant has disappeared in the snow.

    The grasshopper is found dead in a drug related incident and the house, now

    abandoned, is taken over by a gang of spiders who terrorize the once

    peaceful neighborhood.

    MORAL OF THE STORY: Be careful how you vote in 2008

    -- Posted by Billfromraytown on Sun, Jul 27, 2008, at 9:14 PM
  • The Ant and the Grasshopper.

    This one is a little different? Two different versions! Two different


    OLD VERSION: The ant works hard in the withering heat all summer long,

    building his house and laying up supplies for the winter.

    The grasshopper thinks the ant is a fool and laughs and dances and plays the

    summer away. Come winter, the ant is warm and well fed.

    The grasshopper has no food or shelter, so he dies out in the cold.

    MORAL OF THE STORY: Be responsible for yourself!



    The ant works hard in the withering heat all summer long, building his house

    and laying up supplies for the winter.

    The grasshopper thinks the ant is a fool and laughs and dances and plays the

    summer away.

    Come winter, the shivering grasshopper calls a press conference and demands

    to know why the ant should be allowed to be warm and well fed while others

    are cold and starving.

    CBS, NBC, PBS, CNN, MSMBC, and ABC show up to provide pictures of the shivering

    grasshopper next to a video of the ant in his comfortable home with a table

    filled with food. America is stunned by the sharp contrast.

    How can this be, that in a country of such wealth, this poor grasshopper is

    allowed to suffer so?

    Kermit the Frog appears on Oprah with the grasshopper and everybody cries

    when they sing, 'It's Not Easy Being Green.'

    Jesse Jackson stages a demonstration in front of the ant's house where the

    news stations film the group singing, 'We shall overcome.' Jesse then has

    the group kneel down to pray for the grasshopper's sake.

    Nancy Pelosi & Harry Reid exclaim in an interview with Larry King that the

    ant has gotten rich off the back of the grasshopper, and both call for an

    immediate tax hike on the ant to make him pay his fair share.

    Finally, the EEOC drafts the Economic Equity & Anti-Grasshopper Act

    retroactive to the beginning of the summer.

    The ant is fined for failing to hire a proportionate number of green bugs

    and, having nothing left to pay his retroactive taxes, his home is

    confiscated by the government.

    Hillary gets her old law firm to represent the grasshopper in a defamation

    suit against the ant, and the case is tried before a panel of federal judges

    that Bill Clinton appointed.

    The ant loses the case.

    The story ends as we see the grasshopper finishing up the last bits of the

    ant's' food while the government house he is in, which just happens to be the

    ant's' old house, crumbles around him because he doesn't maintain it.

    The ant has disappeared in the snow.

    The grasshopper is found dead in a drug related incident and the house, now

    abandoned, is taken over by a gang of spiders who terrorize the once

    peaceful neighborhood.

    MORAL OF THE STORY: Be careful how you vote in 2008

    -- Posted by Billfromraytown on Sun, Jul 27, 2008, at 9:20 PM
  • If Bill Moyers said it you can probably bank on it, bank on it being very, very biased and unabatedly distorted that is!!!!!

    -- Posted by Billfromraytown on Sun, Jul 27, 2008, at 11:31 PM
  • B-N-B, your remark to the effect that all the Republicans have to do to remain relevant is to move closer to the center and not do stupid things that cause the center to shift rings true. You also inferred the same concerning Democrats. I agree with your statement. The reality is that indeed the center has shifted. Neither party has as yet absorbed that, nor has the mainstream media. They all continue to pump out sound bites that do not resonate with the populace. It is no wonder that the executive and legislative branches are recieving their lowest ratings since polling began. The mainstream media are also scorned, and are suffering a similar fate in the polls. Our health care system is in a shambles. Seventy to eighty percent of the people (depending on which poll) are now in favor of a single payer health system, if that is what it takes to have decent health care in the richest country in the world. That my friend is the center. I was recently privileged to listen to a large portion of a week long series that NPR ran that examined health care in the other industrialized nations. It was an eye opener. If you missed it the transcripts are likely archived on their web site. The comparisons made me ashamed. Though I blame both Democrats, and Republicans in our government for the lack of a credible response to a crying need the Republicans have blocked all efforts that have been made by the Democrats, even to the point of thwarting a Democratic Party iniative to once again allow our citizens to import cheaper drugs from Canada. Oh, the hypocrisy of that position! Shame on them for beating the drum for global free trade, but then saying ehr...not for you average citizen. Why are we so vainglorius that we can not look to the many successful models around the world for insight and inspiration? I suppose it is acceptable to wrap one's self in the flag, if one must, but dammit it is unforgivable to wrap it so high and tight that it becomes a blind fold.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Jul 27, 2008, at 11:37 PM
  • I am sorry for my spelling errors in this one, I should have proof read it better. My spelling of vainglorious would have had dear old Mary Davis (at Marshall High in my day) looking askance.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Jul 28, 2008, at 12:01 AM
  • As always, you have it backwards Oklahoma Reader, "successful models around the world for insight and inspiration"? The rest of the world should be looking to us for guidance, insight and inspiration. We exceed all the others by leaps and bounds. Some people (like you for instance) will never see that due your blind eyes and deaf ears. You can't see the truth when its right in front of you and you refuse to listen to the truth when it beckons in your ear.

    -- Posted by Billfromraytown on Mon, Jul 28, 2008, at 12:36 AM
  • Bill is one of those folks who doesn't believe that it is possible to love this country and still see it's faults.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Mon, Jul 28, 2008, at 6:41 AM
  • Wow, how impressive the photo gallery of the recent FFA District Fair and Saline County Fair is! Kudos to the newspaper staff for posting these.

    -- Posted by Muffin on Mon, Jul 28, 2008, at 8:29 AM
  • An old man, a boy & a donkey were going to town.

    The boy rode on the donkey & the old man walked.

    As they went along they passed some people

    who remarked it was a shame the old man

    was walking and the boy was riding.

    The man and boy thought maybe the critics were right, so they changed positions.

    Then, later, they passed some people who remarked,

    'What a shame, he makes that little boy walk.'

    So they then decided they'd both walk!

    Soon they passed some more people who thought

    they were stupid to walk when they had a decent donkey to ride.

    So, they both rode the donkey.

    Now they passed some people

    who shamed them by saying how awful to

    put such a load on a poor donkey.

    The boy and man figured they were probably right,

    so they decide to carry the donkey.

    As they crossed the bridge, they lost their grip on the animal and he fell into the river and drowned.

    The moral of the story?

    If you try to please everyone, you might as well....Kiss your A-- (backside) goodbye!

    -- Posted by Billfromraytown on Mon, Jul 28, 2008, at 9:10 PM
  • I had to post something just to make this board move.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Tue, Jul 29, 2008, at 7:21 PM
  • We could talk about this development: The U.S. House of Representatives today approved a non-binding resolution apologizing for slavery and the injustices of Jim Crow laws.


    -- Posted by Eric Crump on Tue, Jul 29, 2008, at 7:24 PM
  • Great, 150 years too late.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Tue, Jul 29, 2008, at 7:27 PM
  • July 29, 2008

    On this day in 1967, one hundred and thirty-four men died and sixty-two were wounded in a fire on an aircraft carrier, the USS Forrestal. Among the planes waiting to take off, a missile misfired and hit another plane, sparking a massive inferno.

    As bombs and fuel exploded, Lt. Commander John McCain jumped out of his own plane and ran toward the flames -- yes, toward the flames -- attempting to rescue another pilot. An exploding bomb then injured McCain in the chest and legs.

    With his own ship out of commission, McCain volunteered for duty aboard the USS Oriskany. Three months later, he was shot down. He spent five and a half years in a communist prison, much of that time in solitary confinement.

    The video is on YouTube.

    -- Posted by Billfromraytown on Tue, Jul 29, 2008, at 10:29 PM
  • Eric, had you or I, or our parents suffered the blatant discrimination that people of color have been subjected to, we would most likely be angry resentful dudes. Each time that people of color are in this day subjected to usually much slighter discrimination it fans the smoldering fire. I am constantly amazed at their patience, and their tolerance. It must cut like a knife when they see on the news that someone has been dragged to death by a chain around the neck pulled by a car. The long overdue congressional apology is a nice symbol. More important would be the act of electing Barak Obama President of the United States with a majority of the white vote. Then people of color could finally say, with tears in their eyes, we are accepted, finally we are accepted.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Jul 30, 2008, at 12:11 AM
  • Bill from Raytown,

    I don't think anyone here would question Mr.McCains Bravery,Sacrifice and Service to our country. I love my country too which is precisely why I cannot fathom putting her through four more years of the Bush administration.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Jul 30, 2008, at 6:13 AM
  • July news update from McCain for President:

    Item: 7/03 Obama voted 94 times for higher taxes.

    Item: 7/08 Obama will raise taxes on those earning over $32,000.

    Item: 7/11 Obama offers no new solutions for energy crisis.

    Item: 7/14 Obama will raise taxes on 23 million small business owners.

    Item: 7/22 Obama to blame for high gas prices. (Pres. Bush credited with lowering prices in recent weeks)

    Item: 7/28 McCain links Obama to Castro.

    Item: 7/28 Obama snubs troops.

    WOW! Quite an impressive list; the only problem is all the items are FALSE or misleading. All of these 'items' came from a campaign that recently said: it was "critical to run a respectful campaign focused on the issues."

    UPDATE: Today the McCain campaign released a new ad trying to link Sen. Obama with Brittney Spears, Paris Hilton & foreign oil!?!??

    -- Posted by modemocrat on Wed, Jul 30, 2008, at 1:36 PM
  • Another interesting topic in the national news that we've talked about some in various forums here:

    "Legislators aim to snuff out penalties for pot use"


    There are strong cases to be made for and against easing penalties on pot violations.

    -- Posted by Eric Crump on Wed, Jul 30, 2008, at 2:22 PM
  • Vote Barack- - - - - - for an Obama-nation

    -- Posted by Maynard G Krebbs on Wed, Jul 30, 2008, at 2:59 PM
  • I've said it here before and I'll say it again. It is time to end the hysteria about marijuana. I am a responsible advocate and have been for years. Everyone I know who indulges is very responsible. Is there abuse by some? Sure, anything can be abused. I know alot of people in this community who indulge and we all are sick and tired of be labeled a criminal. The black market is the gateway to harder drugs because that is were one is exposed to these drugs when trying to obtain some marijuana. It's time to recognize this freedom of choice by responsible adults.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Jul 30, 2008, at 3:02 PM
  • Okay, so I go out to a fast food restaurant for lunch today, which is the first time in a long time that I have "gone out" for lunch. In walks young lady of I'm guessing 11 years old with what appears to be little brother in tow. He is fighting with her and hitting at her and she is attempting to control him and not get hit. They are in the restaurant for several minutes before Mom, Grandma and baby brother come in. Little brother is screaming and carrying on and is allowed to do so. Once Mom, Grandma, sister and baby brother are at the counter deciding what they will order, little brother is free to be a social butterfly around the restaurant bothering the people who are already seated and eating. He has a heavy string that he calls a "jump rope" and is showing off with it to all the patrons. When he came to my table I just smiled at him hoping he would go away. I didn't need any entertainment. When I didn't respond verbally he swung the "jump rope" at me. I gave him a grim look and he did it again. At that time I said, "Little boy, I think you need to go back up to the counter with your mother." he stood there and said, "Watch this" and flung the rope at me again. I repeated what I had said to him and he put is hand on his hip and smarted off, "Maybe you should just go up there to your mother!" I got up from my seat and went to the counter and asked if this child belonged to them. Mom said, "yes" and I said, "I just want you to know that your son was just very rude to me." She took him by the hand as I went back and sat down. When grandma was passing by my table on the way to be seated she asked me what had happened and I told her. She said to me, "He is only three years old. You must not have any children!" She got extremely huffy and mumbled to herself as she walked away. (I can see where the child got his rudeness) I do have a child and I taught him from the time he was very little 1. Don't talk to strangers, 2. Respect your elders! So no one was supervising this three year old and if they had been they would have seen him swinging the rope at me and I bring to their attention that he is misbehaving and being rude and it is MY FAULT!! This is what is wrong with kids today! Instead of getting all upset with me someone should have told this young man that this is not the way to behave! But instead Grandma got mad at me?? Why do people think it is okay to let your child run wild and everyone will just tolerate it?

    -- Posted by Typesetter on Wed, Jul 30, 2008, at 4:05 PM
  • Preaching to the choir Typesetter, I've seen it a million times. I wouldn't dare do that when I was younger, my parents would have my hide.

    -- Posted by mtownresident on Wed, Jul 30, 2008, at 4:15 PM
  • I can say my 2-year-old nephew behaves better than that child. He knows about interacting with strangers, let alone hitting them. Wow. Poor sister. She's probably put in charge of that temperament a lot.

    -- Posted by Green Eyes on Wed, Jul 30, 2008, at 4:33 PM
  • I believe that cannabis is a really dangerous drug. Look what it has done to our last two Presidents. Clinton says that he tried it but didn't inhale. I spent some of my more youthful years in the sixties and seventies. Not once did I see anyone toke and not inhale. I saw people toke and cough it back saying I don't want that, I saw many people just say no, and other initial reactions. His recall is troubling. George W. is an even more worrisome case. He acknowleges that he was a wild young man,and his contemporaries attest to that. Yet when asked whether he had smoked vile cannabis he simply could not recall anything about it, didn't remember doing that. Not, "no I did not", not "maybe a little , every one was", he did not remember! I am sad to say is obvious that they both suffer from that little known, little researched, but definitely, most pernicious peril associated with marijuana use; cannabis induced selective long term memory loss. Every one is aware that marijuana causes short term memory loss, and there has been considerable study of that side effect. It is nothing compared to a memory gone forever. Yet the evil scientists sweep it under the rug. Not one to my knowlege has ever spoken a word about this dire consequence. They ignore the anecdotal evidence that surrounds, them and keep their silence. Doctors, lawyers, ministers, people with the most impeccable credentials can't seem to recall anything about their own past concerning cannabis. How sad it is that they don't have the memories.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Jul 30, 2008, at 5:06 PM
  • OK Reader,

    That's hilarious! I mean......you are joking, right?

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Jul 30, 2008, at 5:46 PM
  • WTF, I am always serious...about hypocrisy. Thanks

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Jul 30, 2008, at 6:05 PM
  • Seriously, If anything should be illegal its alcohol. I mean, how many people come home from work, get drunk and beat their wives, beat their kids. How many people a day die on highways because of drunk driving. How many people suffer from alcoholism, lose their jobs, kids. Alcohol kills. Hundreds if not thousands everyday. Yet the goverment is more worried about a plant that no one has ever overdosed on, or ever could. Maybe if my neighbor growing up would have come home at night and lit up a joint instead of drinking a case of beer, he wouldn't have beat his wife and kids every evening. Yeah, pot is what we should be worried about.

    -- Posted by yogagirl on Wed, Jul 30, 2008, at 11:45 PM
  • I invite everyone to visit this link and educate themselves about marijuana and hemp. Alot of folks who have no experience with marijuana (my parents ) for example think pot is just like heroin because they just don't know any better.

    This is the part where the arguement usually becomes about the children, "what about the children"? Minors have access to pot because it can only be obtained on the black market which as you know has no regulations. Some "dealers" also sell harder drugs and that is where the gateway begins. It's not so much the use of marijuana as it is the atmosphere in which it has to be obtained the exposes people to the more dangerous substances that most people would probably never seek out on thier own.What about the medical aspects? The very people who deny any medical benefits are the very people who want you buy thier synthetic drugs. Don't fool yourself. The only real threat that marijuana poses is to profits for large companies who literally run our govt. Even alot of proponents aren't aware of the facts about the real reason marijuana was made illegal and the incredible diversity of hemp. In this age of going green, the criminalization of utilizing hemp is not only irresponsible it's ignorant. This is our Federal Govt. as directed by corporations with yet another strangle hold on the American public.Don't you think that as an American citizen you should have the right to make that decision for yourself? Alot of people may not care about hemp but they should. It's ok if you know nothing about it but please educate yourself before you form an opinion.

    Please use this link or seek out your own info.


    -- Posted by What the f...... on Thu, Jul 31, 2008, at 6:41 AM
  • Typesetter -

    I agree! I have a 4 year old, and believe me, we would not have been staying to eat had she behaved in the manner of that little boy.

    There is no age too young to begin teaching children manners. Yes, there is a certain amount of "age appropriate" bad behavior. But that doesn't mean that you ignore it. You correct it and help them learn from the mistake. I think it's a shame that most people think kids should be making their own decisions. It's kinda like when my much-younger brother & sister were going to school and it didn't matter how they spelled something so long as they got their idea down on paper. There's a reason that they can't spell worth anything now! If you don't teach your children right from wrong when it comes to manners, they're not just going to magically figure it out someday!

    -- Posted by koeller77 on Thu, Jul 31, 2008, at 8:44 AM
  • Nanadot,

    You are so right. This brainwashing is simple corporate hijacking. If everyone understood the absolutely massive benefits of industrial hemp then feds could no longer pull the wool over our eyes. We still have the stuff growing wild around here, remnants of the civil war. The battle of Lexington,Mo was more commonly know as the battle of the hemp bales. If our govt. really cared about natural resources they would allow hemp cultivation tomorrow. There was an interesting news story this morning in that oil companies are making record profits, but are only spending 1 or 2 precent of that profit on research for alternative fuels and of the money being spent, most of it goes towards commercials to tell us about how they care and are searching for new alternatives. Wake up people. Don't believe the lies anymore. Our govt. is using us and lying to us.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Thu, Jul 31, 2008, at 2:40 PM
  • Typical "goverment is out to get us" comment. Really, you have nothing else to say but that?

    -- Posted by mtownresident on Fri, Aug 1, 2008, at 6:53 AM
  • Did you even read the links? I didn't think so....

    I hate to burst your bubble, but GW can't serve a third term. Maybe there is a God after all.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, Aug 1, 2008, at 7:56 AM
  • M&M's are yummy.

    -- Posted by Green Eyes on Fri, Aug 1, 2008, at 10:08 AM
  • One night last week Charlie Rose had a guest on his round table discussion program (PBS, 11pm) a man who has working in the oil industry for over 30 years. Some of the points made about our current energy situation were informative and also confirmed a belief that I'm sure many of us have about the auto industry.

    He said that Jimmy Carter initiated an energy independence program in 1977 which was designed to free this country from the need to purchase oil from foreign suppliers. By 1985 we were essentially self-sufficient, and then Ronald Reagan binned the program, starting us down the path we're on today.

    The man talked about how oil industry executives largely refuse to acknowledge that inflated gasoline prices are dealing a serious blow to the nation's economy, and they aren't forward-thinking about the need to develop alternative energy sources. One example he used was Bush's lifting of off-shore drilling restrictions which he said would cost more money than what we pay for foreign oil.

    He went on to say that the auto industry is in deep trouble and that one of the big three will most likely not exist 18 months from now (he implied it would be GM). When asked, he said that auto makers have been capable of producing a vehicle which would deliver significantly greater miles per gallon but the industry said it doesn't offer them because the public doesn't want them.

    All in all, it was an enlightening dialogue.

    -- Posted by slater41 on Fri, Aug 1, 2008, at 11:01 AM
  • QUARTERLY profits, mind you! 11.7 billion x 4, and soon enough Exxon has more money than the federal government.

    It seems that the foremost by-product of free enterprise is greed. Perhaps greed is an inherent trait of humans, certainly of many living in a democracy.

    I recall a few years ago the state of Missouri - among others - attempting to set term limits for congressional representatives, and the courts ruling that states don't have the authority to do so, only Congress can determine that.

    So, our legislators work feverishly to line their pockets with everything from the best health care to voting themselves pay raises whenever the notion strikes them.

    Does anyone remember what happened when FDR became president? The country, and the world, were in the vise-like grip of the most widespread depression in history, and Congress agreed to suspend its salary for two years. A symbolic gesture, to be sure, but at least enough of them put the welfare of our nation ahead of their own interests.

    We've come a long way from that time...

    -- Posted by slater41 on Fri, Aug 1, 2008, at 12:04 PM
  • Right, myself like many others are acutely aware that our federal govt. has been bought and paid for. It completely escapes me why so many people refuse to see this for what it is. It's not a conspiracy theory, in fact I think it's rather obvious. The worst part is that the fox is in charge of the hen house and I feel helpless to do anything about it.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, Aug 1, 2008, at 12:57 PM
  • If you want to read about the transformation of our Anglo Saxon heritage and how we've managed to delude ourselves into believing we're God's true missionaries, go here:


    -- Posted by slater41 on Fri, Aug 1, 2008, at 2:53 PM
  • Seems to me the only way to fight the Government is to write our representitives,and keep on writing them! We can only use the vote,to accomplish our goel. We"ve been putting the same kind of Politicians in office. And demand that wrong doérs will be put behind bar ( HARDTIME), Not the Country Clubs they usually are sent to! The people follow like sheep, when the religious right tells them to vote a certain way. This has to stop or we are no better than the Fanatic's we are dealing with now. Religion has to stay out of Politic,and should be dealt with, if they try to influence the public in any way! That's the only way Bush could have been Elected in the first place. then he appoints people to key positions, then they have Hijacks the Government, which they have done! So we have to use our good Judgement,(if we have any left) Carl Rove needs to be the first of many to be put away.After Bush is out of Office.So he can't Pardon him,and himself!! Personally , i don't think any of them will be brought to justice, unless we speak up! The least we can do for our Brave Men & Woman, who died for our Country! This was a bunch of Criminals that lead us into this,with their lies! They have to Pay! This wasént necessary and they knew it! People write in to you Representatives and make some demands!

    -- Posted by Jo on Fri, Aug 1, 2008, at 4:20 PM
  • Boy, are some people in for a big surprise when Pelosi, Boxer, Feinstein, et. al. start shoving their leftist agenda down the average citizen's throat, like they have in California. The goal of Marxism (leftist Democrat officials) is the Marxist agenda.

    Signed: A California resident whose heart is still in Marshall, whose heart is still in Missouri.

    -- Posted by Ray on Fri, Aug 1, 2008, at 8:29 PM
  • Oops, I forgot to mention that Obama was the furthermost left-voting Democrat in the Senate. Pelosi, Boxer and Feinstein are all looking forward to an Obama Presidency so they can shove their Marxist agenda right into the heart of "red-state" America.

    No doubt we will soon see "change" nationally under an Obama Presidency, change for the worse.

    -- Posted by Ray on Fri, Aug 1, 2008, at 8:39 PM
  • Let's see the leftist agenda: Health care for everybody, naw we don't want that. Better gas mileage from our automobiles, naw we don't want that. Never to have gotten into the Iraq war, we are so much better off for being there. Doing something about global warming, who cares, that is the next generation's problem. I know there are a lot of other scary things on that leftist agenda, but thats enough for me Ray, I'm with you. If only that leftist Franklin Roosevelt who the Republicans tried to warn us about hadn't mucked things up with stupid things like guaranteed bank deposits and a whole lot of other junk we wouldn't be worried about the problems we have now a days. I guess there is no alternative but to vote for John McCain so we can drill our way out of the energy crisis. Oh, and I almost forgot if it wasn't for the leftists we wouldn't have had to put up with all that civil rights junk, and colored folks would still know their place. Ray you really have a handle on it, thanks for enlightening me.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Aug 1, 2008, at 10:33 PM
  • Ray you really have a handle on it, thanks for enlightening me.

    Your prevarication will not disguise the future reality. I fully expect Obama to get elected so soon enough there will be evidence aplenty for what I have said. I fully expect that you will get to live through it. We here in California already know the taste of the jack boot of Stalinism, AND Marxism (the leftist Democrat party). We are keenly aware that the "zi" in Nazi, literally means socialist.

    -- Posted by Ray on Sat, Aug 2, 2008, at 12:07 AM
  • Ray, I gave six examples of the "leftist" agenda. You did not try to dispute a single one. You have yet to offer a single example of a "leftist" program that warrants your dire warning, for that matter you haven't even mentioned one. What is it that you are trying to say? What specifically has given you your sense of foreboding? What is it about the last two administrations that you believe warrants staying the course? I really would like to know. Your party's presumptive leader, John McClain also has not delivered a message that has resonated with the American people. Now he has given up trying to deliver a message, and is instead desperately telling lies about Obama and his record. In a recent poll sixty one percent of Republicans thought that McCain has gone too far with his attack ads. It looks to me like the Republicans are running on empty, and perhaps even getting dizzy from sniffing the empty tank.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Aug 2, 2008, at 12:43 AM
  • I believe Ray may have set a new record. In only three posts he has managed to use: "jack boot of Stalinism, Marxism (the leftist Democrat party), Nazi, socialist, left-voting, Marxist agenda, leftist agenda, Marxism (leftist Democrat officials), Marxist agenda." Hate to tell you OK Reader.....but this is the usual response/answers to the "agenda"; no response, simply name calling, scare tactics and buzz words.

    -- Posted by modemocrat on Sat, Aug 2, 2008, at 11:33 AM
  • "Let's see the leftist agenda: Health care for everybody, naw we don't want that. Better gas mileage from our automobiles, naw we don't want that. Never to have gotten into the Iraq war, we are so much better off for being there. Doing something about global warming, who cares, that is the next generation's problem."

    # Health care that includes the promotion of abortion and assisted suicide is hardly worth anything. America has murdered 40,000,000 children over the past 4 decades and Canada has shown what a horrible solution socialist, universal health care is with people unable to get help when they need it. Taxpayer funded universal health care is the next big taxpayer rip off funding the next unwieldy un-working government program.

    # Gas Mileage - Yea, "just add air to tires" was Obama's most recent idea to solve the problem with gas mileage/the energy crisis. Everybody knows about that and has already done that. With idiotic non-solutions like that from Obama I see no improvement in gas mileage coming from an Obama administration, just more tax-payer burdens for lame, pork barrel, socialist programs.

    # Better off fighting Islamofascist terrorists in the mid-east then having them blowing up more buildings in America.

    # Global warming? Stop drinking the Al Gore kool-aid. The world has major environmental problems that require more than America destroying itself so China can go ahead and accomplish the task all by itself.

    # But to tell you the truth, the thing that bothers me most about the hate-monger bigoted Democrat party is all the identity politics, that spends billions on this special program violating the 14 amendment (equal protection). Those Democrat conceived special interest programs are based not on need, but on conjured up lies, scams like domestic violence laws, sexual harassment laws, rape witch-hunts laws, Title IX laws in colleges and universities (Why is Title IX applied only to sports programs and not overall enrollment where men lag behind?), the gender wage-gap myth, lies about recent voter oppression of women (men have been the most oppressed in recent history), lies coming out of Offices of Women's Health, lies coming out of Women's Commissions, lies coming out of taxpayer funded Women's Studies programs, gender feminist witch-hunts of beat dead Dads with Title IV-D incentivations to destroy families and set unrealistic child support. The Democrat party is little more than one big hate movement, the biggest in American history.

    You talk about the war in Iraq, but say nothing about the fact that man-hating Democrats care nothing about the historical exploitation of men's lives in war. Men are currently over 97% of war deaths and casualties in Iraq, according to CNN. Historically for all wars, that number is 99.999%, according to the DOD. Why are women exempt by law from front line ground combat, but not men? Why are men only required to register with selective service, not women? Where are the hypocrite Democrats never addressing leveling those "playing fields?"

    You disingenuously talk about what the Democrat party has done in the area of race, but it is Republicans who have done far more in that area, beginning with Lincoln freeing the slaves. What about all the anti-civil-rights activities of the Dixie-crats during the 60's?

    I see the Democrat party of today as America's largest hate movement ever, with a long history of hateful programs pandering to all kinds of special interests who are lock step marching along with the jack booted Marxist social agenda.

    The Democrat party is working overtime to rip apart America. It appears Obama has a lock on the next Presidency. The only question I have now is, "Can America survive a Marxist, Obama Presidency for four years?" If it does survive will it ever be the same? We are still dealing with the loss of civil rights that transpired under Bill Clinton's administration, a loss of civil rights that makes anything alleged in the Bush administration pale in comparison.

    -- Posted by Ray on Sat, Aug 2, 2008, at 11:38 AM
  • Let me break in with some good news for a moment, please.

    Today's "Market on the Square" was a success! We had fruits and vegetables in abundance, bread, jams, jellies, egg noodles, eggs, chickens, even rabbits. At least three or four vendors sold everything they had, and the rest of them nearly so. The music was great, the weather pleasant and the square had more cars on it than I've seen (except for when court is in session) in the two years I've lived here.

    We're going to go after another big win on Saturday, September 6 and again Saturday, October 4.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Sat, Aug 2, 2008, at 11:51 AM
  • ".....but this is the usual response/answers to the "agenda"; no response, simply name calling, scare tactics and buzz words."

    You may look at it as name calling in your ignorant view of the etymology of those words, but taking their definitions within the framework of a historical context we see that the Democrat party is just one more shade of the Marxist chameleon that has cloaked itself in Stalinism, Nazism, Communism, Socialism and now the Democrat party. A popular axiom says, "If we do not learn from history we are condemned to repeat it." It would be advantageous on many levels, if the American public wised up to the failed, destructive history of the evil Marxist chameleon that now infests the Democrat party. The Marxist "change" that Obama proposes is clearly change for the worse.

    -- Posted by Ray on Sat, Aug 2, 2008, at 11:56 AM
  • "...your ignorant view..." That's the spirit! A nice civil discourse regarding issues. I'm glad we didn't fall back on any name calling. You managed to get "Marxist" in 3 times in one post; very impressive. Maybe next time you can expand you philosophical discussion to include Maoist' in your colorful insights.

    -- Posted by modemocrat on Sat, Aug 2, 2008, at 1:59 PM
  • Great news, great job, Kathy Fairchild (and friends). It is awesome to hear that the old town square is being used for such a traditional gathering. I suppose all that was missing were hitching racks and horses.

    Ray, a better job this time, troubling , but better. Of course I have a response, but I don't have time now.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Aug 2, 2008, at 3:51 PM
  • "...your ignorant view..." That's the spirit! A nice civil discourse regarding issues. I'm glad we didn't fall back on any name calling. You managed to get "Marxist" in 3 times in one post; very impressive. Maybe next time you can expand you philosophical discussion to include Maoist' in your colorful insights."

    As I said that's not name calling, just the facts. California style and big city Democrat style politics is going to be a very big surprise for a lot of simple folks in the Midwest when it gets shoved down their throats and they see their constitutional rights taken away as their taxes sky rocket. That's not name calling or fear mongering, just the truth from someone who's seen first hand how the far left Democrats work in California and big cities. Wait until your son comes home from school wearing a dress and your daughter tells you she's having a sex change, and they tell you the school told them it was all okay. The CA courts have already decided that parents cannot "opt their children out" of sex education training that advocates these things. You see, the state knows better than parents. It's all already happened in California. Parents in Lancaster, CA v. 9th Circuit Court of Appeal, and it will come to Marshall, Missouri under an Obama administration. But that's only the tip of the iceberg. This newspaper web site doesn't have adequate space for all the social horrors the Democrat party is planning for you. Sure, laugh it off. Just remember I told you so. I've already seen it. Will taxpayer's dollars be paying for your children's sex changes under an Obama administration? What do you think?

    Yes, the Democrat party is a hate movement disguised as a political party, that tramples the rights of citizens in the name of identity politics and special interest groups. From what I've seen of Democrat party politics in CA and big cities like Chicago, the Democrat party is the enemy of freedom loving America as certainly as any terrorist organizations.

    -- Posted by Ray on Sat, Aug 2, 2008, at 4:13 PM
  • "Health care - talked to a Canadian lately? They wouldn't trade their system for ours on a bet - they like it, it fact."

    Your answer is disingenuous, the Canadians I've heard from hate it and are dying while waiting for medical care.

    "Gas Mileage - no, Obama's solution was not JUST "add air to your tires". While the GOP was ranting about Obama's windfall profit tax on oil companies, they failed to mention that the oil companies could AVOID THE TAX ENTIRELY by investing that same amount in alternative energy solutions, AND take the tax credit for the R and D."

    The Democrats have had control of congress for the past two years and what exactly have they gotten done under their leadership? I see the price of gas has skyrocketed. We certainly do need to get off foriegn oil. We are all agreed on that, so what's the Democrat plan again. All I see is Obama making flowery speeches, but offering no real proposals or solutions to complex problems.

    "Better fighting Islamofascists there than having them blowing up buildings here"? Like the Unibomber, Tim McVey and Eric Rudolph?"

    How foolish to come up with just three "home grown" examples when the 50 year history of Islamofascist terrorism in the world shows thousands or more likely tens of thousands of examples of their hatred and intolerance of Western societies and citizens, and other citizens of the world. Yes, as I said, it's better the Islamofascist push their suicide bomber ideology in the mid-east than in America.

    "Global warming - so 5000 scientists, geologists, climatologists, and oceanographers across the world have been lying for the last 15 years? And James Hansen, of NASA has been at it for 30 years... Only the oil companies are funding PR firms to 'cast doubt on scientific findings'."

    Read my post again. I do not say global warming is not a problem, I said a solution that imposes harsh controls on the U.S., while letting an equal or bigger green house gas emitter (China) go without control, is not a viable solution. The problem is a lot, lot bigger than all that too. Oh, and what about all the "no nuke" Democrats, and "no off shore oil drilling" Democrats? Do the Democrats have any real plans to solve America's energy problems or just more bombastic Marxist rhetoric?

    -- Posted by Ray on Sat, Aug 2, 2008, at 4:32 PM
  • "The rest of it sounds like personal issues... The Democrats DID try to pass the Equal Rights Amendment over 20 years ago, which would have required women to be registered for the draft and combat duty. It was overwhelmingly defeated by the States."

    Amd what has the hypocritical, heavily gender feminist controlled, Democrat party done since then to promote gender equality - nothing, but they have very actively run a man-hating agenda.

    Those issues I posted are hardly personal issues when one considers that ten of thousands of innocent lives have been destroyed for no other reason then the Democrat party chooses to push a hateful identity politics agenda. According to the CDC of the 15 leading causes of death by disease, women lead in only one category, yet women get all the Offices of Women's Health. Why?:

    These are not personal issues:

    "# But to tell you the truth, the thing that bothers me most about the hate-monger bigoted Democrat party is all the identity politics, that spends billions on this special program violating the 14 amendment (equal protection). Those Democrat conceived special interest programs are based not on need, but on conjured up lies, scams like domestic violence laws, sexual harassment laws, rape witch-hunts laws, Title IX laws in colleges and universities (Why is Title IX applied only to sports programs and not overall enrollment where men lag behind?), the gender wage-gap myth, lies about recent voter oppression of women (men have been the most oppressed in recent history), lies coming out of Offices of Women's Health, lies coming out of Women's Commissions, lies coming out of taxpayer funded Women's Studies programs, gender feminist witch-hunts of beat dead Dads with Title IV-D incentivations to destroy families and set unrealistic child support. The Democrat party is little more than one big hate movement, the biggest in American history.

    You talk about the war in Iraq, but say nothing about the fact that man-hating Democrats care nothing about the historical exploitation of men's lives in war. Men are currently over 97% of war deaths and casualties in Iraq, according to CNN. Historically for all wars, that number is 99.999%, according to the DOD. Why are women exempt by law from front line ground combat, but not men? Why are men only required to register with selective service, not women? Where are the hypocrite Democrats never addressing leveling those "playing fields?"

    -- Posted by Ray on Sat, Aug 2, 2008, at 4:46 PM
  • Kathy - the Farmer's Market was a big hit. It was great to see that many people on the square on a Saturday morning. I would like to thank you and Amy Crump for the time you spent organizing this event. I constantly hear people say "well why don't we do this?" and sit back and wait for somebody else to do it for them. You said "why don't we do this?" and did it! What a concept.

    -- Posted by broke-n-busted on Sat, Aug 2, 2008, at 5:05 PM
  • In Response to Ray's comments regarding socialized healthcare:

    I took great interest reading Ray's comments regarding his version of the Canadian Socialized Healthcare System. I guess its just a coincidence that his comments sound like the came right out of the Republican Party spokeschannel, Fox News. I don't recall Ray telling us about how he was a legal resident in Canada and how he knows first hand that the Republican propaganda he is regurgitating is accurate.

    I don't know much about the Candian Socialized Medical System either...but I do know first hand about the Australian Socialized Medical System because this Marshallite is a legal resident of Australia (and soon to be a citizen of Australia as well).

    Perhaps one of the best examples of how well socilized medicine can work, the Australian model is one that I use regularly -- after all, I do live here. Being middle aged, I naturally have occasional medical problems and of course need to see my physician fairly often.

    We never wait to see our doctors in Australia. In fact, I have always goten in to see my physician the same day I call. I go in, see my doctor, then wave goodbye to the receptionist on my way out. I never get a bill and no money is ever discussed. Every single citizen and legal resident in Australia is covered 100% and you'll never hear of anyone filing bankruptcy as a result of medical bills here. Since we don't let lack of money or medical insurance keep us from seeing our doctors, preventitive care is much better and the result is a much healthier Nation with a longer life span than that of the United States.

    Our medical system is paid for out of tax dollars, and my taxes here are even lower than those I paid in they USA and in fact, I make a better income here than I did in the USA and yet still pay less in taxes.

    We have a surplus in our National Treasury -- unlike the USA which under Republican "leadership" now has gone from having a surplus under President Clinton to having the worst Government debt the USA has ever had in its history -- all thanks to the spend and borrow Republicans' failure to balance their checkbook. While we pay for our medical system out of general taxes, we still enjoy a surplus in our treasury -- our medical bills are paid and we have lots of cash leftover -- now that is what I call a successful socialized medical system.

    When I was living in Marshall, I had some neck problems and had to see a neurosurgen in Columbia for treatment. It took me 4 months to get in to see him because that was the earliest appointment they could make and this despite my having one of the best medical insurance policies you can get in the USA. However, here in Australia when I was having some heart problems, I was able to get in to see the heart specialist with-in 2 days and received excellent care. My cost? Nothing. No bill, no co-pay, money was never discussed.

    The medical care I receive here in Australia is the best I have ever seen. Its every bit as good as the medical care I received in the USA, if not better -- and no bill.

    Ray may want to note that there are no Australians rushing to America to receive medical care. Reading Ray's story on the Canadians, one would think the border is crammed with people just "dying" to get into the USA for ultra expensive medical care. Quite frankly Ray, I doubt that is happening. But one thing I do know, is that if you suggested to an Australian that he or she go to the USA for medical care the only thing they might die of is laughter.

    The Australians love their socialized medicine Ray. Its not perfect but its a hell of a lot better than what I saw in the United States in my 48 years I spent there and a whole lot cheaper (cant get any cheaper than free and remember what I said, I pay less taxes here on a higher income than I did in the USA and there is a surplus in the National Treasury). In fact, no politician here on either side of the aisle would ever even think about suggesting we get rid of socilized medicine because if he or she did the only thing that would end would be the politician's career!

    Perhaps Ray its time you folks in the USA stop spending so much money attacking defenseless 3rd World Countries in pursuit of their natural resources and more money on a National Medical Care System that works for all Americans -- not just the few who can afford the outragous insurance expense.

    And Ray, instead of worrying about the Republican talking points on the Canadian Medical Care System, you should consider modeling your National Medical Care on the Australian Model -- its a system that works and works well.

    -- Posted by news across the neocon empire on Thu, Aug 7, 2008, at 7:38 PM
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