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  • New Speak Out starts now!

    -- Posted by Rachel Knight on Fri, Nov 15, 2013, at 2:56 PM
  • Can anyone explain specific differences between the Tea Party agenda versus the Libertarian Party? Who on this blog feels they identify with either of those parties, and which one? More specifically, I'd like to ask each of you to state which party you most identify with and if applicable, which wing. I know many will claim to be independent, but which party are you closest to identifying with? I definitely identify with the progressive wing of the Democratic party.

    -- Posted by RationalThinker on Sat, Nov 16, 2013, at 4:15 AM
  • -- Posted by EiEiO on Sat, Nov 16, 2013, at 4:49 AM
  • The ACA is the right direction. Single payer is the ultimate answer, but not penalizing pre-existing conditions and insuring millions of more that are currently not insured is also the moral thing to do. Nobody thinks government is efficient, but doing the right thing has worked for Social Security and Medicare, and doing what it takes to fully fund them all via fair taxes is where the debate should be. Forcing younger and healthier individuals to get healthcare was a Republican ides that was also the right thing, except it now goes against their mantra to always be against whatever Obama is for. Being against all taxation to do the right thing is the wrong thing.

    -- Posted by RationalThinker on Sun, Nov 17, 2013, at 10:19 AM
  • Smart Dog you definitely are more bite than bark. Very well said! Of course by the end of your first sentence the selective Right went into optional brain lock and never heard another word. They remember nothing of the bad old days of baby Bush and puppet master Cheney.

    Their eight years treading the yellow brick road; one with no heart, one with no brain, and neither with courage has left all of us stranded in some especially sick version of OZ.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Nov 18, 2013, at 5:45 PM
  • Yeh SD I can't believe News hasn't popped up again with the report of Zimmerman's latest escapade. No News is bad news.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Nov 19, 2013, at 12:02 AM
  • Trey Radel, Repubican Congressman from Florida was busted on a cocaine charge. He voted for drug testing food stamp recipients. If he is not a hypocrite he should renounce his many congressionally afforded welfare benefits. Don't try holding your breath until that happens. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/19/trey-radel-drug-testing_n_4305348.html

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Nov 19, 2013, at 10:47 PM
  • Even though I agree that GW was possibly the worst President in history, and I detested most everything he did, AND I am definitely a progressive liberal, I always felt that he was unjustly criticized for his "Mission Accomplished" carrier speech. At that time, I agreed to running Hussein back to Bagdad and wiping out their military. I was for that action. And, when we did that I also felt "Mission Accomplished" was a true statement. We should have stopped and withdrew, in hind sight, and had we done so, I believe Mission Accomplished would have been true.

    -- Posted by RationalThinker on Thu, Nov 21, 2013, at 6:54 PM
  • AND, Iraq deserved to have their butt kicked, and we did have a decent coalition that agreed to go along. He thwarted every effort for inspection and kept crossing every line we would draw in the sand. He sure acted like he had a lot to hide. This liberal remembers his feelings at that moment, and feel that taking him out was warranted, whether we found WMD's or not at that point. He was the bully that kept pushing and daring until WE couldn't take it any longer. Our only problem was that we decided to "police" the state. I think that is the major lesson we should take away from that terrible experience. I am a liberal, but not a pacifist. Again, that does not take away from the fact that I was ashamed of GW as our President and feel that he is the one responsible for ALL the decisions that took us down the road to our recession we are still unburying ourselves even today.

    -- Posted by RationalThinker on Fri, Nov 22, 2013, at 2:38 AM
  • Iraq? Oil, blood and sand made a monstrous mosaic.

    It is ironic that we removed Iraq's Dictator who was a toothless tiger, and caused the slaughter of more people than he ever could have. A half million Iraquis are dead from the violence we precipitated, a thousand more a month are still dying from the violence. We destroyed the infrastructure of the nation. Birth defects are overwhelming there from the toxic environment that we left behind.

    We attacked and removed one whom we proclaimed a Devil, and left a hell on earth for an innocent populis. I can not find that morally justifiable under any circumstances.

    The Bush Administration made the greatest foreign policy blunder in American history. There are many more reasons why the Iraq War was wrong in conception, and administration.

    I tire of opposing that moral repugnacy after over a decade of doing so. I will let others oppose the ongoing revisionism. I could not disagree with you more Rational Thinker.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnmcquaid/2013/03/20/ten-years-later-its-still-not...

    http://tonydan.hubpages.com/hub/Three-Reasons-We-Invaded-Iraq

    http://www.iraqbodycount.org/

    http://rt.com/news/research-iraqis-died-war-247/

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Nov 22, 2013, at 6:29 PM
  • OKR, I agree with you AFTER our actions following the storming to Baghdad, which is when the vast majority of all the horrific numbers you accurately point out. We pretty much removed his teeth once we made it to Baghdad, and that is where we should have withdrawn and stayed away from trying to police the state. He probably would have arisen again, but perhaps the people would have prevented that. He was the one killing his own people and invading other countries up to that point. Do you believe the world should have allowed him to occupy Kuwait? Do you agree that pushing him back to Baghdad was the right thing to do?

    -- Posted by RationalThinker on Sat, Nov 23, 2013, at 3:23 AM
  • And that was what I was too tired to say all over again. Thank you Smart Dog!

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Nov 24, 2013, at 1:00 PM
  • The thought occurs to me that America is much like a giant cat box that never gets cleaned. It just gets fresh litter thrown on top of the nasty stuff. Then we all can say I don't smell anything bad, I don't see anything bad, all remains good.

    We are all about covering up our messes instead of eradicating them.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Nov 24, 2013, at 1:45 PM
  • Darn, I hate this mild case of memory loss. Yes, now I remember :-( OKR, please quit cleaning the litter box just before you log on and post anything... it seems to have a lingering effect. Wash your hands before you use the keyboard as well :-)

    -- Posted by RationalThinker on Sun, Nov 24, 2013, at 2:21 PM
  • :)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Nov 24, 2013, at 6:34 PM
  • We have two states side, by side with similar heritages. One has left its progressive roots and gone far right. The other has continued its progressive tradition. It is a slam dunk as to which is doing better. Stuff this in your pie holes GOTP members. Wait, maybe you better take a Tums before you read it at the link because this truth is going to upset your belly in a way that no amount of tepid Tea party swill can sooth. I hope some of you have the gut stregth to read it, maybe even comment, but I'm not holding my breath until that happens.

    "Right Vs. Left In The Midwest"

    "MINNESOTA and Wisconsin share much more than bone-chilling winters: German and Northern European roots; farming; and, until recently, a populist progressive tradition stretching back a century to Wisconsin's Fighting Bob La Follette and the birth of Minnesota's Democratic-Farmer-Labor Party.

    But in 2010 these cousin states diverged. By doing so they began a natural experiment that compares the agendas of modern progressivism and the new right. Wisconsin elected Republicans to majorities in the Legislature and selected a bold and vigorous Republican governor, Scott Walker. Minnesotans elected one of the most progressive candidates for governor in the country, Mark Dayton of the Democratic-Farmer-Labor Party."

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/24/opinion/sunday/right-vs-left-in-the-midwest.ht...

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Nov 26, 2013, at 12:34 AM
  • Smart Dog, great post. I concur completely!

    -- Posted by RationalThinker on Tue, Nov 26, 2013, at 5:18 PM
  • OKR, interesting read. The verdict is still out, but looks like the progressive approach is working out best.... as I would expect.

    -- Posted by RationalThinker on Tue, Nov 26, 2013, at 5:20 PM
  • The article would have been better if it would have provided base figures, for example showing where did MN and WI rank in 2004.

    Playing Devil's advocate for a moment; Oklahoma was rated the 14th best state to do business by Forbes, close to MN's 8th.States don't get further to the right than Oklahoma.

    Still that does not spoil the Minnesota/Wisconsin example. They are so similar in many ways that it would be hard to find two other like states for a more meaningful comparison of the influence of political system differences.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Nov 26, 2013, at 11:54 PM
  • Hey Dude!

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Nov 30, 2013, at 7:05 PM
  • Shouldn't that have been my question to you? ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Dec 1, 2013, at 11:46 AM
  • Jez been hangin' out with my dog; enjoying the simple parts of Holidays, the best parts of winter and ignoring the rest. Oh yea, some afflicting the comfortable and comforting the afficted to paraphrase Finley Peter Dunne.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Dec 1, 2013, at 11:16 PM
  • Is Santa in danger of being shot out of the sky? Will millions of kids abed have visions of Santa being shot at by missiles instead of sugar plums?

    Is there no shame? Can not the military/industrial complex leave even Santa and little children alone? Good grief.

    http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/20441-top-gun-santa

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Dec 6, 2013, at 1:31 AM
  • We really need to take back the House, or we are going to be stuck in limbo and not getting anything done or fixed for quite some time. On the flip side, I really hate to imagine what would happen if the GOP takes back the Senate along with the house, and heaven forbid, the Presidency, especially if they keep kowtowing to the Tea Party types.

    -- Posted by RationalThinker on Fri, Dec 6, 2013, at 3:34 AM
  • SD the simulated tracking of Santa on his flight being accompanied by F-35 aircraft to protect him is sick. However I admit that it is historic in that it is likely to be the first untroubled flight by the star crossed F-35 aircraft. Costs when all is said and done will far exceed a trillion dollars by the time this clunker leaves the air for the last time. All bets are off as to whether that will be a falling or a landing. If NORAD wanted to do a truly realistic simulation they would somewhere along the Eve's magical path show Santa rescuing a pilot, pulling him safely into his sleigh as the F-35 fell from the sky like a gold brick.

    Even more worrisome is how will our monsterous military industry take advantage of other fictions that are dear to children. Certainly there is an opportunity here for them to have protective drones accompany the easter bunny on his rounds, laying an occasional egg as the bunny delivers his.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Dec 6, 2013, at 5:41 PM
  • Funny stuff OKR "drones accompanying the Easter Bunny", love it!

    -- Posted by RationalThinker on Sat, Dec 7, 2013, at 3:07 AM
  • SD, I agree the GOTP will successfully scramble to hold and in some cases, temporarily gain power, but in the longer run they've hurt themselves badly by alienating many of their rational base, those who only care about paying as you go, the true fiscal conservative without the right wing social agendas. Their atrocious actions on restricting voting hours, reducing voting locations, and requiring special Id's, along with all their restrictive push with social agendas will only energize a growing base that detests the "old, white, cranky, and downright mean spirited" GOTP of today. They may have lost the Presidency for some time to come as the people have shown they will stand in line a long time (and multiple times :-) in spite of their efforts. Eventually the wave of disrespect they are deservedly thrusting on themselves will have the opposite effect of their misguided intentions.

    -- Posted by RationalThinker on Sat, Dec 7, 2013, at 3:22 AM
  • I think we ought to inform Algore and the low information folks that believe in his global warming hoax that it is fixed now.

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sat, Dec 7, 2013, at 5:29 PM
  • His politics contain the same degree of delusion that sprouts from his God delusion. If your source is the bible, it has about equal merit as a horoscope. Check out his latest "truth" comment on the Religion forum and you'll see what I mean.

    -- Posted by RationalThinker on Sun, Dec 8, 2013, at 12:39 PM
  • You can plainly see without God you don't need truth. Better yet what is it? We don't expect nor desire it in politics and that spills over into the culture. We have seen that with this regime on a daily basis but some seem to think they have our best interests in mind. Idiots! How many lies does it take to make a person unbelievable? I guess that is unlimited.

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sun, Dec 8, 2013, at 4:17 PM
  • This regime is paying more respect for a dead black communist then the effort they make to protect Americans around the world. I'm sure all the liberals will know what I am talking about.

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sun, Dec 8, 2013, at 4:23 PM
  • "This regime is paying more respect for a dead black communist... -rr3

    That is a racist statement rr3. I am sure you don't believe that because you don't understand why it is a racist statement. Let me explain.

    Your point was that we should not be giving so much respect to an individual. You used two adjectives black and communist to describe the individual. You used no other terms to describe Mandela inferring that your reasons for disapproval of the individual were that he was black and that he was a communist.

    If your reasons were only political you might have said for instance, "This regime is paying more respect for a dead terrorist communist...". Why was it important to you to use the word black? It certainly did nothing to define the political reason that you choose to express your scorn at the world's mourning of Mandela.

    If you bother to reply you may choose to defend yourself by saying I wanted everyone to know that I was talking about Mandela. That is the reason people have names rr3. Such a retort would be nothing more than a flimsy excuse to cover what in my opinion is blatant racism.

    I will give you that it may have originated on a subconscious level in your mind, and that you thought nothing of it as you pecked away at the key board. I recommend self examination rr3 instead of self defense of your racist slip.

    By the way what do you think of that dead white communist Stalin, or that dead yellow communist Mao? See what I mean?

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Dec 9, 2013, at 12:58 AM
  • rr3: I see you haven't changed! Mandela was a Hero to mankind, in my opinion, i don't care what color you are. For someone to take on the Establishment, for unjust treatment,is a Hero, in my mind. Okla, News, Nana, Slater and the rest of my friends on here , HAPPY HOLIDAYS

    -- Posted by Jo on Mon, Dec 9, 2013, at 1:58 PM
  • There will also be those that think that Obama is a hero when he is dead and gone. The truth will be known but denied by the followers(low information). I would like to challenge any of the libs out there to give me a reason to believe anything that Obama says. The amazing thing is that he has lied to you and me. When someone lies they lose all credibility as a leader, not that he ever was one. Our credibility with the world has been damaged maybe beyond repair and libs still defend him. The truth is that during his upbringing he was surrounded by communist and terrorists, so now tell me he loves America. In fact he has libs(low information) believing capitalism is evil, corporations are evil, the rich are evil and they believe it. He portrays himself as fighting against the havoc that his policies are causing. He should be impeached for lying to the American people but the libs will never have the courage to do it because they paint anyone that is against him as racist just like some on here like to call me.

    At least if they attack me personally they have no argument because personal attack is all they have because they stand for a lie and policies that have never worked and never will.

    It would be easy for me to say "I told you so" but hey "I told you so".

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Mon, Dec 9, 2013, at 5:47 PM
  • Jo I am glad to see you popped up! I get concerned about my fellow oldsters when I don't see anything from them for a while. ;)

    I have asked my wife to let you guys all know that I kicked the bucket when that happens. I hope you folks do the same. That includes you rr3. :)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Dec 9, 2013, at 6:33 PM
  • And your opinion of the Cheney/Bush administration is? Just thought I would throw that question at you rr3 even though you have not answered it in all the years it has been asked of you on this blog. Better low information than no information huh? ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Dec 9, 2013, at 6:39 PM
  • RR3;How can you even mention Obama being a liar, after Bush and Cheney! All the Years they were in Office, they were the Champions of being liars You know i've been thinking about President Obama, and what he has done for this Country with the Party of (NO) Pulling every tactic in the Book to do him in,and was still able to stop another depression,and did it! The Republican's left a mess! With the Lives of a lot of Hero's! Think of what he could have accomplished with the Rep. help. And still could. He's right up there with Roosevelt,maybe better! Roosevelt had help from most of the other Politician's! He not Perfect, better than anything we've had in awhile.he does have Character. It'S THE SYSTEM and the way it can be manipulated .I don't think any of it will work for the People, until this happens! Sorry okla didn't think. Everyone should keep in touch,i agree! Thanks,hope you and your's are fine.

    -- Posted by Jo on Mon, Dec 9, 2013, at 11:06 PM
  • Smart Dog what do you think the odds are that even one member of the "no information please" Right will click on, then read the Buzzflash link recording Bush's disastrous lies? I think about a million to one.

    Good post, thus it will be ignored by the no information crowd.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Dec 10, 2013, at 12:10 PM
  • RR3, OKR layed out the complete case on why your post was racist, and it is such a sound case that you can't (and haven't tried) to refute one point that he made. You have tried to shift the topic to Obama (which gives insight as to why you hate him so much as well). Recognition of a problem is the first step toward healing.

    -- Posted by RationalThinker on Tue, Dec 10, 2013, at 6:49 PM
  • I kid you not, Ted Cruz has put out a coloring book. The question is, intended for the children of his supporters, or intended for his supporters? Oh yes, he is also going to host a gun training event on the anniversary of the Sandy Hook massacre.

    It is hard to believe that he is real, but then it is hard to believe his supporters are real. Surreal is more descriptive in both cases.

    http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/20544-it-only-hurts-when-i-laugh

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Dec 11, 2013, at 1:52 AM
  • "New All Time Low" "Americans Pretty Sick Of Tea Party" http://www.msnbc.com/politicsnation/new-all-time-low

    Things are looking grim for the no information please crowd. Their only solace is that they will choose to not see, hear, or speak the truth. For their sake may their bubble where they are surrounded by comforting ignorance never break.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Dec 12, 2013, at 5:32 PM
  • It's really funny how liberalism always has to attack an opponents character instead of having a straight up debate on the issues. As you can read about how I am a racist and about how good their argument is on about why I am. Others have to bring up how bad they thought Bush/Cheney was so they justify the actions of Obama. I just have to laugh at the low information crowd.

    They have been fighting the war on poverty since 1964 and poverty is worse then ever under Obama. Does that mean that liberalism has failed? If there is a war we should pull out of it is that one. We have the top 40% of taxpayers paying 106% of the tax burden while the bottom 40% have a negative tax burden and this comes from the CBO.

    The income gap has widened under Obama despite all his liberal redistribution efforts. Redistribution has never worked. We have about 1 in 7 Americans enrolled in food stamps compared to 1 in 50 in the 70's. How is that successful?

    We have on of the longest runs of high unemployment in American history and it doesn't even include the millions that are no longer in the workforce. How has this economy been in anything that can be considered a recovery in the last five years. Low information voters would say it has because that is all they hear from their media.

    Liberal policies have destroyed the family unit especially among blacks. My daughter is black and people ask her why she doesn't act black. How are blacks supposed to act? Stupid I guess, how do you answer that?

    Why is it that Christianity is the religion always under attack by liberals, why not Atheism, Mormonism, Islam, or Wiccans. The nativity is attacked, the cross is attacked and usually by liberal activist groups that are supposed to stand up for a person's civil rights.

    Under Obamacare those that can pay will being forced to pay for others. So why is someone's reproductive system 0% my business but is 100% my financial responsibility?

    We have a crazy person shoot up a place and the first thing liberals want is to restrict the legal possession of firearms and ignore any existing laws that were broken while committing the crime. Why do the majority of these crimes occur in gun free zones?

    Now we have a president that support the Muslim brotherhood but cannot protect Americans abroad. Why do liberals always want to apologize for America and our enemies still hate us?

    We have dumbed down America with our public school system that refuses to give you any other choice. The way Americans vote proves that. If any other president would have done the the things illegal and unconstitutional he would be impeached but it probably won't happen because he is black. Liberals have played the race card so much they can't bring themselves to do justice for the American people so why is that not racist?

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sat, Dec 14, 2013, at 5:25 PM
  • "We have the top 40% of taxpayers paying 106% of the tax burden"-rr3

    Well you started with that impossible whopper rr3 and went down hill from there. Actually you should have stopped right there. LOL

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Dec 14, 2013, at 10:08 PM
  • What If Your Income Grew As Fast As The One Percent's? Try This Calculator.

    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/12/calculator-what-if-your-income-grew-...

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Dec 15, 2013, at 1:42 AM
  • RR3: The information we do get has to be scrutinized, and have severe Penalties if misrepresented, in content! This Language thing SUCKS for the average Person!

    -- Posted by Jo on Sun, Dec 15, 2013, at 2:18 PM
  • "It's really funny how liberalism always has to attack an opponents character instead of having a straight up debate on the issues."-rr3

    That is not true rr3 once again you miss the point (I suppose you believe even that a personal attack).

    Jo got it right. So did Maureen Dowd in her commentary published in today's New York Times. "People who advance controversial notions should be prepared for controversy." "All quarrels are not petty. Sometimes quarrels are about big things, and it is an actual privelege to take a side in them." http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/15/opinion/sunday/dowd-bigger-than-bambi.html?ref...

    So don't bring your "poor me they are attacking me again junk to these blogs". If your ideas are illogical, unsupported, and controversial rational folks are going to say so. Rational folk are going to deride such preposterous statements as "most gay people don't live past fifty". That opinion is intellectually unsupportable and in my opinion homophobic. So, yes I rationally called your opinion preposterous. Deal with it, and quit whining.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Dec 15, 2013, at 4:08 PM
  • "Liberal policies have destroyed the family unit especially among blacks. My daughter is black and people ask her why she doesn't act black. How are blacks supposed to act? Stupid I guess, how do you answer that?"-rr3

    What kind of people ask your (black) daughter why she doesn't act black? Are you proud of that? Do you share their wondering? What is it to "act black", I don't know what that means please explain that.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Dec 15, 2013, at 4:35 PM
  • RR3: "My daughter is black.."

    Sorry, that is hard to believe after all this time reading your posts. Could be, but sure shocks me based on your prior comments. Without giving away too much personal info, roughly what age is she and did you adopt, or are you going to try and tell us that you are black as well :-)

    -- Posted by RationalThinker on Sun, Dec 15, 2013, at 8:40 PM
  • RR3yvo: Should Bush and Cheney be brought up on the Law's they broke? That would be, Treason & not following the Law's of the Nation,that they readily admit!

    -- Posted by Jo on Sun, Dec 15, 2013, at 8:59 PM
  • Mar-Saline Branch of the NAACP oppossion to below listed Bills communicated to All Local Legislators. (Pearce, Dohrman, and Muntzel)

    Proposed Photo ID constitutional amendment and photo ID legislation have been pre-filed in the MO legislature. The Session begins in January.

    HB 1073 [1] - requires a person to submit a specified form of photo identification in order to vote in a public election with specified exemptions.

    SB 511 [2] - establishes photo identification requirements for voting.

    SJR 31 [3] - Upon voter approval, this constitutional amendment provides that a voter seeking to vote in person may be required by general law to identify himself or herself as a United States citizen and a resident of the state by producing valid, government-issued photo identification.

    -- Posted by CWilli on Mon, Dec 16, 2013, at 9:20 AM
  • Jim Crow has got to go.

    Actually this bill is another attempt by the Regressive Party to make it harder to vote for those whom they concieve (blacks)are opposed to their mission. I'm thinking that they better be careful as to what they wish for.

    There are also many old people, many redneck white folks, and others who are ill prepared for stringent voter I. D. Laws. Would it not be ironic justice if the rest home and red neck voters were hampered in some locales to the point that election was denied to some Tea Party Twits?

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Dec 16, 2013, at 2:19 PM
  • Smart Dog,

    Shame on you. Except for this one example; "Missouri Legislature" and "logic" do not belong in the same sentence.

    Not sure about the proposed Missouri law, but at least a few of the other states that have passed this do not charge for the voter I.D.

    That point is worth pursuing.

    I expect, given the brouhaha over the color of Santa Claus, the legislature's next move will be to have an official state Santa Claus.

    Any bets on what color they'll make him?

    -- Posted by Interested Too on Mon, Dec 16, 2013, at 3:06 PM
  • Nearly half of Republicans opposed lowering the flag to half mast for Mandela.

    As was recently mentioned by another poster that is why rr3 is such an important poster on these blogs. He is the voice of the what passes for the conservative Republican Party. He alone of that group has exhibited the courage to be that public voice in these environs.

    By the way thirty four percent of Republicans were O. K. with the Mandela tribute.

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/poll-provides-window-into-gop-s-view-of-mandel...

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Dec 18, 2013, at 1:14 AM
  • "Good luck with that. I think Americans are looking for solutions, not constant negativity and obstructionism.

    "

    Solutions like cutting military pensions? Is that what Americans are looking for?

    -- Posted by Armour-of-God on Wed, Dec 18, 2013, at 10:07 AM
  • I'm wondering if the Christmas candy industry has taken a hit this year because Tea Party members refuse to buy Chocolate Santas. On the other hand they may demand renewed production of the little liquorice babies that were a staple during the childhood of we older ones. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Dec 18, 2013, at 6:26 PM
  • I agree with RR3, believe it or not! The American People are so dumbed down they have NO idea about who is Hoseing them!I don't think they reserch who they're Voting for! This is why we have so many SOB'S IN THERE , aLSO WE KEEP THE SAME PIG IN THERE TOO DO OUR BIDDING ,OR SHOULD I SAY THEIR BIDDING,because they don't care what the people want. Term limit's on all ?

    -- Posted by Jo on Wed, Dec 18, 2013, at 9:45 PM
  • Thank you, Jo.

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Dec 18, 2013, at 9:57 PM
  • Liberals like to make people think they are the tolerant one's. So why do they always personally attack and attempt to discredit anyone that disagrees with them? Why do they always attack Christianity but promote tolerance of Atheism, Islam, etc.? I guess the biggest question is why do people believe them when they obviously lie and spin everything to advance there own agenda?

    They will stop at nothing to force their agenda on others. They won't debate facts because facts and the truth are never in their favor. So why all the lies? Is it because they deny God? We see what happens in societies where God it not allowed, millions of people die at the hands of the ruling class.

    What do we see here in America? Our president is number one at one thing, lying to the people, us: the people he was supposed to protect and unwilling to uphold the constitution he was sworn too. We have a president willing to spy on us, listen to our conversations, expose our personal information but has spent millions to keep his personal information sealed. He tells us that "you can keep your plan if you like it", "you can keep your doctor if you like them", but when we find out that is not true he insults every American's intelligence by telling us that we were too stupid to understand what he really meant. We hear that the IRS are still targeting conservatives and religious groups but we don't hear it from the media. We tell a liberal that then they call us idiots, who is the real idiot here?

    Our president would rather support the terrorism and murders of the Muslim brotherhood then our allies or even American citizens. Then liberals want to blame it on Bush. Let me get this straight who it the idiot? A Muslim beheads two Coptic Christians in New Jersey, a Muslim walks into a church and kills his father while praising Allah in Ohio, these two instances we hardly heard anything about. We did hear about the Boston bombing but the reluctance the relate any of this to Islam is ridiculous. Didn't we hear they might have been Christian before the media finally had to report the truth? Yet liberals will try to convince you that Christianity is the problem. Who is the idiot again?

    I guess if you can believe that liberalism is loving and tolerant then you can believe that Islam is a religion of peace. More lies, lies upon lies, without God what is the truth? An opinion that's it and subject to change depending on the liberals agenda. There is no sin without God, it is ok to be gay, it is ok to murder babies for convenience, it is ok to attack a persons character because of an agenda, and it is ok to to lie to the American people to pass a law nobody wants, raises taxes on everybody and destroys a healthcare system that was actually pretty good but will make it worse for everyone. I would just like to ask again, who is the idiot?

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Dec 18, 2013, at 9:59 PM
  • rr3 I think you are confusing liberal policy with center right policy regarding health care. I am a liberal. At no time was what came out of governmental negotiation (Obamacare) what I advocated. Nor did any other progressive/populist that I know of. We are in favor of the successful single payer coverage enjoyed by most advanced nations; always were, still are. Don't blame liberals for Obamacare. It passed Congress because it was supported by a coalition of Democrats, REPUBLICANS, and assorted business interests. Learn that if you learn nothing else this week. ONCE AGAIN! I AM A LIBERAL. I DID NOT FAVOR OBAMACARE. HAVE YOU GOT THAT?

    I am not at the moment going to address other flawed statements in your last long comment. I will wait until you acknowlege this one before going to the next.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Dec 19, 2013, at 12:53 AM
  • I erred in my last statement. No Republicans voted for the final version of the ACA.

    That does not change the fact that it was not favored by true liberals who overwhelmingly support single payer coverage. Some of them voted for it because it was a start to much needed reform, and the ACA was the only viable beginning on the table. It still needs much work.

    If the Republicans have a better idea that can win the support of the people they should promote it. They don't come off very well sitting on their hands griping about what is, and advocating return to the mess of what was; that being a system with which the American people have been fed up with for twenty five years, or more.

    They sat on their hands ignoring the problem in the Reagan years, then the Bush SR. years. They sabotaged the Clinton effort to reform health care. They then ignored the festering problem for eight more years of the Baby Bush Administration.

    Do something. Just Say No has not worked on drug policy, reduction of teen pregnancy, and it won't work to make health care better. The Party of No needs to go in my opinion; either to work, or away.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Dec 19, 2013, at 1:24 AM
  • Smart Dog,

    Well put, and I agree with everything that you said.

    His opinion was not aired on the show, it was in an interview.

    Also, right or wrong, it was his opinion.

    GLAAD is actually receiving some backlash over their knee-jerk reaction; and that is appropriate as well.

    The vocal minority gets a lot done by screaming at every supposed foul, until slowly, they begin to abuse the privilege.

    I am all about equality, but when it affects a person's right to voice his own opinion, that's where I draw the line.

    If members of a minority wish to state their opinions, I am all for it.

    Therefore, when someone in the majority chooses to do so; they ought to have equal standing.

    I do not watch Duck Dynasty,and if it goes off the air,I won't miss it; but I'll miss the loss of individual rights that it takes with it.

    -- Posted by Interested Too on Sun, Dec 22, 2013, at 9:03 AM
  • Good comments, Interested & SD. Gotta wonder, though, if Robertson really represents majority opinion. Do you think, Interested, that blacks were perfectly happy in Louisiana under Jim Crow, and that homosexuality is the same as (or possibly the cause of) bestiality, adultery, idolatry, prostitution (only male, though), greed, slander and fraud? I doubt that you do.

    When you talk about majority opinion, I think you may be talking about Robertson's professed Christianity. That's certainly majority, I'll grant you, but the loud response to Phil's comments isn't because he believes in Christ, it's because of what he said about gays and blacks, and the fact that he uses Christianity to defend what he said. I don't even think the majority of Christians agree with him on that. Many may feel that homosexuality doesn't fit with their Christianity, but that bestiality, greed, slander and fraud radiate from it? I doubt there's a majority there - and I think A&E agrees. That's why they suspended Robertson. They think the majority doesn't agree and it will make them (A&E) look bad and make less money. Polling doesn't even show a majority for criminalizing gay marriage any more - so calling Phil's opinion's majority view just isn't so, and it matters because people think it's more wrong for the majority to be unable to express their opinion than for a minority to suffer the same fate. Phil doesn't speak for the American majority.

    I'm also kind of tired of all this defense of him. If we're going to talk about sinners, why are gays the focus? Greed was in Phil's list, too. It was money changers who Jesus threw out of the temple, not homosexuals. Why isn't Robertson ranting about the way the banks sold people substandard mortgages and then took their houses - in many cases without producing the paperwork to prove their claims? Why isn't he exercised about rich companies paying less than a living wage? Because he thinks homosexuality is worse than greed. That, of course, goes into what he said, not his right to say it, but what about my right (and GLADD's) to say he's completely missed the point? Is there something wrong about that?

    SD, would you tell Robertson, as a fan, that you wish he'd stick to humor & keep his bigotry to himself? That would probably get through the best - and maybe make him consider that he might lose some fans and make less money if he wants to claim these ideas.

    -- Posted by Have to say on Mon, Dec 23, 2013, at 11:53 AM
  • I've been gone for a while (sorry, I can't multi-task at all & other things came up) but now I see that this conversation has been shunted even further to the back. How disappointing! It was hard enough when those of us who wanted to talk were a little area on the bottom of the main page. Now you have to be looking for a discussion in order to find it - there's no way you can just come across it.

    I also want to add a voice to the complaint about comments on Letters to the Editor. Why would that be restricted? It's obviously a button you turn on or off. Why should it be off?

    -- Posted by Have to say on Mon, Dec 23, 2013, at 12:29 PM
  • Have To Say,

    Good points; I stand corrected on the 'majority' statement.

    -- Posted by Interested Too on Mon, Dec 23, 2013, at 1:06 PM
  • Santa's Gone Redder

    Santa's factory is troubled at the North Pole.

    His economic model at last has taken a toll.

    The old fellow finally has the temerity to confess,

    even in Red states his elves couldn't make less.

    No incentive, no merriment, an absence of wages,

    slave labor has been Santa's way for all of the ages.

    As Santa is wealthy, and the elves are all broke

    he has joined forces with the good brothers Koch.

    They endorse his economic model as the best one,

    and believe they can sell it as unions are done.

    Santa is changing to whom and what he delivers

    in a way that should give every child shivers.

    Sleigh loaded with rubies, diamonds and gold,

    there's also a new list this year I've been told,

    a customer list of those to whom Tiffany sold.

    As it is sure to anger every urchin and waif

    precautions will be taken to keep Santa safe.

    As TV follows Santa's trek through the skies,

    war planes will escort him wherever he flies.

    NORAD has said that it will do just that,

    scaring off any nasty revenge seeking brat.

    Though they may hear ere he flies out of sight

    "frugal Christmas to most we've shifted far right".

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Dec 23, 2013, at 1:58 PM
  • What grace, Interested Too! Your response certainly makes the conversation feel worthwhile. Too bad we're in the back pages of this website and not on GQ.

    And by the way, Not-a-Diva, I'm a little worried - who's "all"? I mean, I like the next generation as well as anybody else, I guess, but ... I mean, I know that in the long run we're all dead, but now I'm kind of nervous about the short run too.

    -- Posted by Have to say on Mon, Dec 23, 2013, at 2:10 PM
  • I think i remember that Obama wanted Single Payer!He wanted a lot of things that he didn't fight for! Inditing Cheney and Bush may have set the tone. The People in Washington knows Single Payer works, but they would do anything to stop it, Why is that? What reason is there, other than the Economy? I lost the use of my Shoulder because of this sillyness! Red Tape and just NO ONE caring, in an Emergency! It has shown me that my Country don't care about any of us! There has to be a way to stop this buying of our Country. Look at the KOCH Brother's and other's! Can we really let this go on? Obama better take a look at this kind of thing? And find Holder wherever he is, and get him to work on something important?

    -- Posted by Jo on Mon, Dec 23, 2013, at 10:54 PM
  • You're right about single payer, Jo. I think we didn't get it because the insurance industry was going to spend zillions to make sure it didn't happen because they're making more than zillions the way it is.

    I'm so sorry about your shoulder. Its ridiculous and horrible that you wouldn't be able to get the care you need here in the US. But Vermont is trying to launch its own single payer system. And if it works, more people around the country will want it, too.

    And there are people working on it in MO. There's an organization in Mexico called GRO (Grass Roots Organizing, 573.581.9595, that's part of a national group called National Peoples Action). A bill was introduced in 2012 by MO House Rep. Michael Brown (D-Kansas City) for state-wide universal care: HB 1405. I don't know what happened with it in 2013, (or how your Rep, Dean Dohrman stood on it. He's an R., I'll guess NO. Ask HIS office why you don't have adequate health care - phone: 573-751-2204, email: Dean.Dohrman@house.mo.gov - or go see him. Take friends.) Maybe you can push it through in 2014.

    Aside from that, you probably know that the Koch Brothers own Georgia-Pacific, the paper company. Every time one of us buys Brawny paper towels or Dixie cups, the profit goes to the Kochs and they get richer. The US gov. bought over $51 million worth of toiletry paper products from Koch Industries in 2012 http://usaspending.gov/index.php?q=node%2F3&productorservicecode=8540&psc_name=T... (click the "Prime Awardee" tab). I think there are a lot of us who should be mad about that. Here's a site with videos about money in politics and a campaign with flyers to hand out about Koch products outside stores that carry Georgia Pacific: http://www.bigapplecoffeeparty.org/ (flyer download button on right side of page under Don't Do Koch campaign).

    Obama isn't going to give us anything we don't make him give us. It's still the squeaky wheel that gets the grease - and without the $'s that squeak has to be really, really loud.

    Anyway, Happy Holidays. Maybe 2014 will see us move toward our own interests. I hope so.

    -- Posted by Have to say on Tue, Dec 24, 2013, at 1:37 PM
  • I try to keep from buying anything that puts more of my Money in the KOCK Brothers pocket! Everyone should do the same! They have NO plan to use their Money too better America! I Personally think these kind of people can and do run America with their Money.It's kind of a blackmail they use, and probably don't pay any more Taxes than i have in my lifetime! America will not succeed leaving People behind,it just won't.Mankind won't exist, without a Social structure thats just the way it is,in my opinion! Merry Christmas Everyone!!!!

    -- Posted by Jo on Tue, Dec 24, 2013, at 7:31 PM
  • Have to Say: :... it's because of what he said about gays and blacks, and the fact that he uses Christianity to defend what he said."

    That IS the point indeed. And that is why our Bill of Rights and constitution is so much better than any ridiculous parables from ANY holy book. Our laws are guided by our collective morals, even though they are a continuous work in progress, needing tweaks as societal norms and science continue to evolve toward what we believe is "moral". Those holy books don't have to be changed because they are totally up to interpretation, which are of no more value than the daily horoscope

    -- Posted by RationalThinker on Wed, Dec 25, 2013, at 8:00 AM
  • At the following link is another wonderful example of the behavior of the right wing no information crowd. They prefer to have no information at all which gives them the God given freedom to speak passionately, loudly, and endlessly though they don't know what in the hell they are talking about. It is their most cherished, and most utilized freedom.

    Ladies and gentlemen, I give you Ms. Sarah Palin. http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/palin-never-actually-read-interview-before...

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Dec 25, 2013, at 8:04 PM
  • A different kind of Christmas song. Hope for an end at last to the Afghan War so that dads, moms, sons and daughters who are over there may come home soon, and that those who are home there may experience peace.

    I think it Garth Brooks best.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lktY_pDauY

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Dec 25, 2013, at 10:45 PM
  • -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Dec 25, 2013, at 10:51 PM
  • Christmas In The Trenches by John McCutcheon for those of you to listen to who care to pray for, hope for, or contemplate peace in Afghanistan.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJi41RWaTCs

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Dec 25, 2013, at 11:11 PM
  • I suppose i am something of a cross between a liberal and a conservative myself.

    I am very conservative in the use of my ammunition if I don't have a clear shot.

    I will however use ammunition liberally in a target rich environment.

    If i am running low of funds, i tend to not bother with the comic books, conserving my cash for more important things

    If i have extra funds, i will buy drinks for all my friends at the nearast pub.

    So, given these beliefs, what political party should i align myself with?

    -- Posted by Armour-of-God on Thu, Dec 26, 2013, at 2:35 PM
  • If you must align with one of the two major parties AoG you are limited to the Democrats. That party definitely has a bigger tent with room even for a non-conformist like you. You may recall that a famous Okie named Will Rogers once said "I am not a member of any organized party, I am a Democrat". ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Dec 26, 2013, at 11:33 PM
  • AoG,

    I don't think you can go by the dictionary definitions of the words "conservative" & "liberal". A lot of "conservatives" believe in liberally using government funds to support private industry (fossil fuel industry tax incentives, for example, and weapons expenditures, not to mention amazing privileges for the financial industry, along with allowing liberal usage of private money in elections), while some "liberals" get a lot of flak for being conservative about attacking other countries. In politics, I think the two words have just become labels that people chose to join - more like picking allegiance to a football team, that has more to do with geography and community than philosophy for a lot of people.

    I mean, look at the audit of the Fed that some people call the Bernie Sanders (the Socialist Senator) Audit the Fed Bill, and some call the Rand Paul (the Tea Party Senator) Audit the Fed Bill. They both introduced bills. It depends on what team you're on.

    If you look at polling on issues, support for "liberal" policies (like Social Security) is quite high among people who call themselves "conservative" - I mean, who really doesn't like Medicare? But that's usually when you don't call a policy either liberal or conservative - and you talk about what to do about specific problems, not people or general philosophical preferences. Real policy questions are usually more about whether we're going to be liberal in our support of poor children or liberal in our support of bond holders - the unemployed or Boeing. It's really all about competing interests - and I'm continually amazed at how the real elite (people in the top tenth of a per cent of wealth) have managed to get anybody else to defend their interests. Using the word "conservative", which people like (maybe because it makes them feel prudent) seems to work pretty well.

    -- Posted by Have to say on Fri, Dec 27, 2013, at 11:18 AM
  • http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/27/justice/nsa-ruling/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

    (CNN) -- The National Security Agency notched a much-needed win in court, after a series of setbacks over the legality and even the usefulness of its massive data collection program.

    A federal judge in New York ruled Friday that the National Security Agency's bulk collection of data on nearly every phone call made in the United States is legal

    -- Posted by Armour-of-God on Fri, Dec 27, 2013, at 11:52 AM
  • Co-opting the Christian right who say "love the sinner, hate the sin". (humor)

    http://www.internetweekly.org/2013/12/cartoon_phil_the_ignoramus.html

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Dec 28, 2013, at 2:14 AM
  • Have to Say: "..and I'm continually amazed at how the real elite (people in the top tenth of a per cent of wealth) have managed to get anybody else to defend their interests."

    This amazes all liberals (and I am one) because it is obvious to us that there are a large number of poor and near poor that do seem to vote against their own self-interest. It is either they believe in "trickle down ", or there are conservative social issues at play that make them detest liberals to such a degree that they must always vote against them (abortion, gun control, etc.). And then there is the tea party philosophy where a lot are in the "conservative" camp because they either don't believe in paying any taxes (Libertarians), or believe the government can never be trusted to spend tax money wisely and would rather throw the baby out with the bathwater. And then with our first black President conservatives have solidified their standing by gaining support from all the existing white racists that still exist (a large number it seems) and who might not quite fit into one of the other categories, although most racists overlap into several of those categories already. And of course, there is another superset category that many in these groups overlap with, and that is the ignorant. Have I left anyone out?

    -- Posted by RationalThinker on Sun, Dec 29, 2013, at 6:53 AM
  • Sometimes I have to be perfectly honest with myself and acknowledge that the other side (conservatives) also has some extremely intelligent and rational individuals that just see things in a totally different light than us liberals. We are seen as simply naive to the "real world" and vote for ideology that never really works. We are but socialists who think that spreading the wealth will solve the world's ills, but in reality the strong survive, the wealthy drive our commerce, and voting against those principals is voting against our own self-interest as well. Is there some truth to this conservative way of thinking?

    -- Posted by RationalThinker on Sun, Dec 29, 2013, at 7:07 AM
  • I think the Parties have groomed their People from the beginning, for years, to think as one,there is NO individual thinking in either Party anymore! And it wouldnt suprise me they haven't infiltrated People on both side's.You know the Mafia went from Gangster to, White Collar Crime! So it's not that far from them going to Politics.It wouldn't surprise me! Either way, we are the loser's! We will be, until we change the way Politic & the System in Washington is changed! Just a thought.

    -- Posted by Jo on Sun, Dec 29, 2013, at 9:02 PM
  • So - there haven't been any comments since Dec. 27th on this forum, Is no one trying to comment or is some sort of lockout going on? If this shows up, I guess it means we all had a busy New Year. Happy, happy!

    -- Posted by Have to say on Sun, Jan 5, 2014, at 8:23 AM
  • What the hell is going on? Someone tell us so we won't waste our time!

    -- Posted by Jo on Fri, Jan 10, 2014, at 3:11 PM
  • MY TWO CENTS, could not see the article you referred me to, would not let me see it, but I thank you just the same.

    -- Posted by buttons on Fri, Jan 10, 2014, at 7:40 PM
  • I guess one of you guys or Gals could answer me a question! why is it they don't take some of the things Bill Clinton's Administration did, balancing the Budget? Or at least, kept it Balanced ? You know we have enough Wars going on with our Representatives! We don't need any of these Foreign Wars! In my opinion the entire Government sucks ,with the way the System works! They have it set up the way they want it,and have perfected it for Years! We the People have NO chance of voting on anything they want to change for their benefit. Their Pay, their time off.We should have some say about everything that go's on in that corrupt Town!! Just another Rant of mine for the Month!

    -- Posted by Jo on Thu, Jan 16, 2014, at 3:37 PM
  • Every one of our Representatives are Millionaires. If they weren't when they went to office,they come out as one! The Law's that apply to the Citizens don't apply to them! There's not many that breaks the Law, ever go to Jail. It's because the People don't demand it! What has happened to (We The People)? Do we just sit back and let our Employees do as they please? We have to tweak the system,and the Criminals running it! They are not worth 1/3 of what we Pay them?

    -- Posted by Jo on Thu, Jan 16, 2014, at 9:40 PM
  • What's the answer to this? Elections don't do it! Or Is there an answer?

    -- Posted by Jo on Fri, Jan 17, 2014, at 4:29 PM
  • Does anyone have a solution?

    -- Posted by Jo on Wed, Jan 22, 2014, at 1:27 PM
  • Answer.... dig up Harry Truman and create a clone from his remains, and hope he can get elected President.

    -- Posted by RationalThinker on Sat, Jan 25, 2014, at 9:39 AM
  • Hey, Okla,New! the Poor has nothing in the game but their Vote,and that don't have much influence when they can rig everything to their advantage! Personally i think there is a lot more going on than anyone realises! Not just one side or the other but the entire Government! Something just not right! This new world order is more then we can comprehend,in my opinion.

    -- Posted by Jo on Sat, Feb 8, 2014, at 11:42 AM
  • "GOP problem: 'Their voters are white, aging and dying off"

    Straight and to the point.. and accurate!

    -- Posted by RationalThinker on Sun, Feb 9, 2014, at 7:29 AM
  • Looks like Obama Care is working to me. Yet the GOP is trying to spin it differently by spinning the CBO stats. I've said for many years that if they could drop the Medicare age down to 62 that a lot of people would opt to try and retire early, and the only reason they are not is because they had to stay working to keep their health insurance. Now they are finding out that there are large numbers beside early retiree hopefuls that were working just to keep medical insurance. Many were wanting to start their own business but couldn't afford to pay the $800+ (varied by age) for their own medical insurance. And the good news is that several million people that could not afford health insurance now have it, which will eventually take a load off emergency rooms where the cost has become totally outrageous. To be fair, I know single people who make in the $30k range that will be forced to pay for insurance that will be around $200 a month that don't feel they can afford it, and it will make it tougher on them. Many will opt for the penalty. But those with children that are low income will get cheap insurance and everyone will benefit. If we could just get the GOP to help fix the pieces that need fixing as it progresses, but alas, they are only intent on trying to ruin the legacy of our first black President at whatever the cost. Thousands of lives will now be saved and desperate parents will have the option to take their sick children to real healthcare clinics early instead of waiting until their child is so sick they have no option but to go to the emergency room. We can only hope that the benefit to our society seen by this will allow our country to finally take the step to a single payer system so the remaining multitudes can also have access to healthcare.

    -- Posted by RationalThinker on Sun, Feb 9, 2014, at 7:51 AM
  • If the GOP get's back in the next Election they will repeal all Obama has accomplished anyway? If he (Mandated),Single Payer,before leaving Office, how would that be handled? Could that be Repealed?

    -- Posted by Jo on Mon, Feb 10, 2014, at 11:02 PM
  • There is no way a President can mandate something like single payer. I wouldn't want them to have that much authority even though I believe single payer is ultimately the best way to go.

    -- Posted by RationalThinker on Tue, Feb 11, 2014, at 7:01 AM
  • Glad to hear another positive experience with Obama Care with you Smart Dog. So did your employer drop you, or were they paying you separate for you coverage and then had you go thru Obama Care to get the reduced price?

    -- Posted by RationalThinker on Wed, Feb 12, 2014, at 4:37 AM
  • Smart Dog, you are correct that the Congress proposes and writes the budget. However, there has been no budget during most of the Obama term. All budgets must start in the House of Representatives (Article I of the Constitutions). The House has passed them but the Senate has refused to not only not vote on them, but they have prevented them from being discussed. And the Republicans are called "obstructionists." This is the reason for all of the debt ceiling votes and continuing resolutions that Republicans have fought. If there is no budget, the most recent budget continues. That would be the budget from the Obama/Democrat Congress first 2 years in office. Democrats controlled both chambers of Congress during President Obama's first 2 years in office.

    It is why Republicans are correct in identifying it as the Obama budget.

    -- Posted by inthemiddle on Fri, Feb 14, 2014, at 4:51 PM
  • Keep on "keep'n on" Smart Dog! I haven't heard a thing I disagree with from you in quite some time, and that's strange considering I sometimes disagree with some of my own posts after I've posted them :-( Here's a link to a KC Fox article and video about how the ACA (O'care) saved this man's life. What is interesting to me is the comments that follow the article are overwhelming in support of the ACA. One guy uses the old "should have got a real job" rhetoric and gets eat'n alive, presumably by quite a few Fox News followers (just guessing) and I think the guy's spouse. If this is any indication of how the ACA is starting to affect the minds and souls of our nation, it's very positive.

    http://fox4kc.com/2014/02/13/man-with-a-new-healthy-heart-says-obamacare-saved-h...

    -- Posted by RationalThinker on Sat, Feb 15, 2014, at 10:24 AM
  • InTheMiddle... sounds like your middle is a little right of center, but that's ok, as I wish the GOP had a lot more members worrying about fiscal responsibility than concentrating on satisfying the religious right. The debates should be about how much is reasonable to cut from the budget (if anything at this economic juncture) versus how much to raise taxes on the ever widening gap at the top. But the GOP remains indentured to the tyranny of Grover Norquist instead of doing the right thing. Any common ground here InTheMiddle?

    -- Posted by RationalThinker on Sat, Feb 15, 2014, at 10:25 AM
  • Question: How does everyone feel about our Great Leaders enabling Big Business to pollute our Nation's resources? Killing our Wild Horses for profits? We better do something, if at all possible! We are going down too a 3rd World Country very fast,if you think about it! Both Parties are responsible! I asked before is there an answer in our system of Government?

    -- Posted by Jo on Mon, Feb 17, 2014, at 4:14 PM
  • I am just about 100 pct in agreement with you SD! Not sure I'd mandate a 5 pct across the board cut, as I don't want to take away anything from anyone who needs help the most. But I agree that we need to have a better focus on eliminating waste where it can be found. I would like to see mandatory screening before being allowed to buy a gun, and possibly licensing. I know I'll get a lot of resistance to that, but we have too many whackos running around to let just anyone purchase a gun. I know it is a slippery slope, but some common sense agreements need to be made.

    -- Posted by RationalThinker on Wed, Feb 19, 2014, at 6:23 PM
  • The Social Security fix is in my mind very simple. Remove the cap and let the rich pay into it more than they will ever get out of it. Medicare a little tougher, but I believe we have to do something similar with it. By increasing taxes on the upper incomes and making a legitimate effort at reducing waste, most of our problems are solvable.

    -- Posted by RationalThinker on Wed, Feb 19, 2014, at 6:28 PM
  • I see our esteemed congressman, the Rev. Cleaver no longer has a blog in this paper. Could it be because he and his car wash loan are back in the news? Can you say..garnishment?

    Pay it back like the rest of us do, Mr. Cleaver..and move on.

    -- Posted by outsider on Thu, Feb 20, 2014, at 6:38 AM
  • Like i've always said The Politicians have it the way it! their not going to change a thing until the People speaks up and do what they can to change it! And it's not with the Vote either! Any Idea's?

    -- Posted by Jo on Wed, Mar 5, 2014, at 6:27 PM
  • News I always felt that the Vote was the way to accomplish a good Government for the people! But that has all changed! I feel that the Government has perfected things, so that a few can disrupt the entire process with some silly tactic, that takes the Supreme Court to settle! With the right People set up on that Court,there is still no Honesty! That takes Years to get things in line from the bottom up,but i think its been done! I have NO faith in the System! Look at Florida when it Put BUSH over the top.NO, We have(NO) Honesty in Government anymore. Definitely not in the Vote. My opinion. We need a Government to watch this Government,ha

    -- Posted by Jo on Sat, Mar 8, 2014, at 3:02 PM
  • This is what i've been saying about the System! Something has to change to correct all these Tactic.This is way short of being foolproof! Its a never ending battle of tactic, and the law. We the People never win!

    -- Posted by Jo on Sun, Mar 9, 2014, at 2:40 PM
  • Smart Dog, wish were our superintendent. You

    seem to be an intelligent person and have common sense. Wish you would write letters to the editor so that more people could read your comments.

    -- Posted by Cat Lover on Mon, Mar 10, 2014, at 6:41 PM
  • oops my comment was posted on the wrong forum. Sorry.

    -- Posted by Cat Lover on Mon, Mar 10, 2014, at 6:46 PM
  • All that being said NEWS,What's your Opinion on a solution to correct this? This has been my question all along! Everyone keeps saying the Vote,have for years! But we all know it hasn't worked! Anyone have an idea?

    -- Posted by Jo on Wed, Mar 12, 2014, at 3:14 PM
  • Thanks NEW'S,for your reply! I have thought the Vote should do it too but, not with the SOB'S WE have now or in the near future. With the System they have set up for themselves ! I don't think there will be any change in the near future for an Honest Government! Were NO different than all these other Country,that has to Rebel in the street's! If they can take away your right to make your own decisions about Health,Unions Privacy,just about everything you can think of it's a sad a&# Country? Nana,Okla,Slater,or anyone else? Hey by the way to all!

    -- Posted by Jo on Thu, Mar 13, 2014, at 6:18 PM
  • I just found out today that I am R.A.C.I.S.T.

    Realistic American Combating Ignorance and Socialist Trends

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sun, Mar 16, 2014, at 7:42 PM
  • If you want to make Missouri a better place to live,VOTE that S.O B.BLUNT OUT OF OFFICE!He's BEEN THERE LONG ENOUGH!Check out his Voting record! He's screw this State enough! Some of the Representative's too! Check out everyone you Vote for.We need Progressive thinkers. The Republican's don't cut it!

    -- Posted by Jo on Tue, Mar 18, 2014, at 4:36 PM
  • R.A.C.I.S.T.

    Rather Annoying Communist Inspired Silencing Tactic

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Mar 19, 2014, at 9:39 AM
  • Why is our country the greatest country in the world? Why have we achieved more then any other country in the world.

    Why does the current administration want to put America in her place? Why do they want to bring us down.

    The typical low information response will tell us how bad we are and how we have screwed the rest of the world.

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, Mar 20, 2014, at 1:58 PM
  • I hear president Santa went on Ellen and she was fawning about how grateful everybody is that they have Obamacare. Really!

    President Santa and the Demwits have single handedly destroyed one of the best health care systems in the world and for what? Control. It was never about health care or they would have had a website that worked. What does the low information crowd believe?

    It is the same with global warming. They have government subsidized scientist tell them we have global warming because of man-made CO2. Why? Control. It is not about the climate it is an effort to make CO2 a commodity. You can still produce it but it will cost you. What does the low information crowd believe?

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, Mar 20, 2014, at 2:26 PM
  • I'm O. K. computer crashed. Finally got a new one. Microsoft 8.1, I despise it. It is very different from prior incarnations, and hard to use. More another time. Hi to every one.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Mar 26, 2014, at 2:17 PM
  • I just wish the low information crowd could tell me why this president is so great. Why is his policies so great. Why is the democrat party so great.

    I would like to know how they take the moral high ground. I would like to know how the economic numbers the last five years still show us in a recession and the left media still tries to tell us we are recovering verrrrrrrrrrry slowly. Really! I would also like to know that just because we disagree with the president we are a racist because he is black. Is there some rule we can't disagree with black people?

    I predict the demwits will run against Obamacare this election because they will say it is not the law they voted for because of all the changes. I would ask them why they went along with all the changes. They let president santa run rough shod over the constitution and the American people. They voted for the law and they should own it but you will see they will run from it to get reelected. How many low information liberals will vote for them?

    How many low information liberals believe that government entitlements are a good way to buy votes? If you are scamming the system are you going to vote for someone that may make you go to work, make you take a drug test or put in place other restrictions that would make it harder for you to stay at home, drink your beer, smoke your cigarettes, or do your drugs. Who are they going to vote for? Santa Claus, the ones promising they can continue to rape the taxpayer.

    I don't think that liberals understand that nothing is government funded it is ALL taxpayer funded.

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Mar 26, 2014, at 10:50 PM
  • OKLA: glad to see your good,my Friend!

    -- Posted by Jo on Wed, Mar 26, 2014, at 11:42 PM
  • r,

    I am an angry white man but I am not wealthy, racist, homophobic, sexist or a gun nut. I can keep my nose out of people's bedrooms. I don't want any religion shoved into our government. I don't get my science from Rush. I think the environment should be protected from greedy corporations.

    If you consider non-right-wingers to be the low information crowd, I consider those who get their information from the likes of Rush to be the wrong information crowd.

    I am a member of the Green Party. I only vote Democrat if the election is close. The Koch brothers can't buy my vote.

    -- Posted by desert Rat on Thu, Mar 27, 2014, at 3:04 PM
  • It seems like the more that the low information liberal gets their way the angrier they become. Why would someone be an angry white man in the greatest country in the world? They are told to be that way, they are told that corporations are evil, the rich are evil and they need to remain poor and tolerant of everything unless it is conservative or Christian. They are told they are too stupid to sign up for health care because they can't navigate the internet. They are told that the government is the answer, that you do not need to be responsible we are from the government and we are here to help you.

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, Mar 27, 2014, at 8:31 PM
  • r,

    I should have said that I am an angry OLD white man. That is what the tea party seems to be made of. The younger generation seems to be more tolerant and enlightened. You may have noticed that gay rights and marijuana legalization are becoming more accepted. The Republican Party pushes us toward plutocracy and away from democracy. You won't call it Obamacare when it is proven to work.

    -- Posted by desert Rat on Thu, Mar 27, 2014, at 10:22 PM
  • I consider that the Government, what ever side is ruling should take care of it's citizens! How ever you want to think of,( Liberal or Conservative) ! It's the only thing they can do,they work for us, (i would think)! They are there make our Country better.The only way to do that is don't leave anyone behind, like on the Battle field! Most of these Politician's have never served in any branch of the Military!But they can vote to send someone else to die! They look out for themselves not the People! That seems to be OK with everyone,what's happened to everyone?This is not the Country i grew up in!

    -- Posted by Jo on Thu, Mar 27, 2014, at 11:18 PM
  • Thanks News! More later. Jo posed an interesting question a while back that I want to respond to at length when I have a bit more time.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Mar 28, 2014, at 12:30 PM
  • There we see a typical low information response. Obamacare will never work. We find out as it unfolds that they lied about it from the very beginning. None of it is about healthcare, it is about tranfering wealth. It will be one of the worlds largest ponzi schemes ranking right up there with Social Security.

    If Obamacare is so wonderful why don't we hear or see the success stories? All we hear is what an utter disaster it is and the low information media won't report it. We don't even know how many have signed up, the ones that have don't know if they have coverage, then they find out their doctor or hospital is not participation because they don't even know how to bill for it.

    Complete and utter incompetence and lies. So how much longer will the low information crowd believe them? HMMMMMMMMM!!!!!

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Fri, Mar 28, 2014, at 3:32 PM
  • Why do the low information crowd believe the lie that capitalism is the problem when socialism fails every time? Freedom and capitalism made this country into something that no other nation has achieved. We have enjoyed things that people in other nations have never been able to.

    Liberalism has tried to take this nation down for some time and lately has been achieving more and more liberal or progressive policies. We are seeing our freedoms being taken away little by little and our media taken over to the point we have a largely low information nation. Those that speak out about it are immediately attacked and called racist, homophobe, etc. Liberalism cannot survive in the arena of ideas because they are bankrupt.

    Obamacare has taken a big step in the take down of this nation to function as we know it. We are being told that the terrible economy is the new normal, we should feel guilty for having so much so get used to having less, and we should not be a super power because it is like being a bully and that's not nice.

    Can anyone brag about how good Obamacare and explain why the Democrats will not run on it this election cycle?

    Can anyone explain why increasing the size of government and reducing opportunity in this country benefits the people?

    People used to come to this country to be Americans, sure they brought their culture with them but they did not force it on fellow Americans. Now what do we have Afican-American, Asian-Americans, German-Americans, and we could go on and on. We are losing the American dream of being able to be succussful and also the ability to fail. The new dream is to be able to scam the system and to be on government entitlements. Then we can watch those poor folk go to work so we don't have to.

    Liberalism always preaches about fairness and equality, yet their is nothing fair or equal about it. Everything they accuse others of they are guilty of but the low information crowd will never believe it. Unless they finally realize they are getting screwed by the very people that pretend to be for them. Someday hopefully!!!

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Mon, Mar 31, 2014, at 1:55 PM
  • Now, now, now rr3 please don't go back to spewing no information declarations. You are capable of doing better.

    "Why do the low information crowd believe the lie that capitalism is the problem when socialism fails every time? Freedom and capitalism made this country into something that no other nation has achieved."-rr3

    Have you ever heard of Sweden? It is a Nordic country that is socialist, and thriving to the point that it is far ahead of the good ole USA on every measure of quality of life for a citizenry.

    Try again rr3, but please try harder. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Mar 31, 2014, at 7:44 PM
  • Oh yes, and rr3 until the right realizes that our federal government is a dysfunctional mess and is an owned subsidiary of mega corporations things will not get better. We must ALL work together for things to get better. Turning a blind eye to the obvious is dangerous.

    No information is a dangerous thing; even more so than low information my friend. At its worst low information is imbecilic. No information is brain dead. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Mar 31, 2014, at 8:03 PM
  • Hey News, what up? Well said RT.

    Darned if this blog isn't beginning to resemble the old days (just a little).

    Thanks rr3 for coming back aboard. You have guts buddy. :) I can't say the same for any of the other conservatives who are acquainted with this blog, but lack the temerity to post.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Apr 1, 2014, at 6:16 PM
  • Being banned from Fox News is a badge of honor.

    -- Posted by desert Rat on Tue, Apr 1, 2014, at 9:29 PM
  • Here we see the typical low information response because they are just repeating whatever they are told by the lame stream(state run) media. They also believe whatever the regime tells them to believe.

    President Santa just told them to believe that they reached their goal by 7.1 million signing up for Obamacare. It seems that millions signed up overnight. They won't or can't tell us the exact number and they don't know how many has even paid and the ones that have signed up don't know if they actually have coverage or not. They do know if they put it out in the media a large number i.e. low information people will suck it up and believe it. The media said it was a 'victory lap' and it seemed all of them were on the same page like they were told what to say. They keep telling us that it is the Republicans that want to take people's health insurance away from them. But who is taking health insurance away from people? Obama is. What do the low information crowd believe? They believe every lie Obama speaks because he promises things but never fulfills the promise. It is the largest wealth transfer in the history of the world.

    It is no different then the unemployment numbers that does not give a true picture of what it actually is. Under Bush the unemployment was under 5% and we were in a recession. That is what they kept telling us. Under PSC the unemployment rate has never been under 7% but we have been in recovery. That is what the state media preaches to the low information crowd and they believe it. We may have been entering a recession under Bush but we are still in it no matter how much they cook the books.

    I would like to know how long a Republican president would have been allowed to stay in office if he/she had done even one half of what PSC and his regime has done. Then to make it worse nobody has been held accountable for what has been done.

    It amazes me the number of people that are being deceived and then they defend it. The Democrat party has done a good job of it. They convince people that there is no God and that morality is whatever society will tolerate. Then they will believe whatever they want to put out there because they are not grounded in any morals or belief.

    It was immoral for thousands of years to murder unborn babies. All they had to do was tell people that it wasn't a baby it was a fetus. With technology we can see that a fetus forms human parts very quickly after conception but we are told that it is ok to have a baby partially born, all but the head, stick a pair of forceps into the base of the skull scramble the brains and suck them out. Now this is done to a baby that has formed all the human attributes. It's amazing what you can accomplish without God.

    They also believe in climate change, global warming, global cooling, etc. Whatever fits the agenda at any given time. They assume any evidence to the contrary is a lie but will believe a computer model that can be manipulated to give any result that you want. Without believing there is a God in control I guess it would be easy to believe man is in control. How many catastrophic global climate change predictions made in the last 30 years have come true?

    As you will see the low information crowd will never address any of these lies all they will do is claim that my information is wrong. That I am the one misinformed, misled and lied too. They will never address an issue because they cannot without destroying the credibility or the character of the person telling the truth. That's how lies are defended. I believe in God and the morals that he has instilled in every human. If it is against God and his morals it is wrong. That will always be true.

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Apr 2, 2014, at 12:30 PM
  • News I can understand why you would be banned from Fox News. You commented that you weren't as friendly as you are on here.

    I read some of the uncensored comments on different websites and I will not stoop the level of vulgarity and vitriol that is written by some and it always seems to be the low information liberals that are always trying to defend the indefensible. I would say you probably deserved it. Of course I know you will blame it on the fact that they didn't want read what you wanted to say. Very typical!

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Apr 2, 2014, at 12:41 PM
  • Humans created all gods. Humans are a cancer on this planet.

    -- Posted by desert Rat on Wed, Apr 2, 2014, at 3:05 PM
  • SD,

    I should have said humans act like a cancer on the planet. We are destroying this planet while seeking means to reach other planets to destroy.

    As long as there are cheeseburgers, steaks, pork chops and the like, I will not be a vegan.

    Tax churches.

    -- Posted by desert Rat on Wed, Apr 2, 2014, at 7:20 PM
  • CAUTION: The information at the following link should not be read by the no information crowd.

    The American people are sick and tired of the one percent getting it all while the rest of us get only one thing in one place whether we bend over and say thank you or not. http://robertreich.org/post/81303984245

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Apr 3, 2014, at 1:43 AM
  • LBJ initiated the War on Poverty. Republicans today are engaged in the War on the Poor. It doesn't appear that Obama will get to appoint another Supreme Court Justice. Hillary will.

    -- Posted by desert Rat on Fri, Apr 4, 2014, at 11:02 AM
  • Speaking of frogs and their delectable lower appendages; as a rural kid I used barbed gigs to fill the skillet. It is a more primitive form of the hunt, kinda up close and personal.

    Frogs are a rather unusual source of sustenance. Not only are they tasty and nutritious they provide entertainment before dinner. Those long slender pink legs doing high kicks in the skillet rivaled the Rockettes, and were a hell of a lot hotter.

    And I remember supping on them as the sound of their surviving kin in the nearby pond drifted through the kitchen window, singing an accompanying baritone chorus. It sounded like a dirge. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Apr 4, 2014, at 12:02 PM
  • Sorry about no frog legs in Australia News. I reckon you guys will have to settle for licking cane toads, and imagining you are eating fried frog legs. Lick enough toad and it shouldn't be to hard to imagine that. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Apr 4, 2014, at 11:56 PM
  • Froglegs,We would always catch them by hand,shinning a light in their eyes. They would sit real still for you! Okla, your Dad probably eat a few Frogs at the place,don't you think?

    -- Posted by Jo on Sun, Apr 6, 2014, at 4:53 PM
  • If members of congress were paid on a piecework rate, they would be eligible for food stamps.

    -- Posted by desert Rat on Sun, Apr 6, 2014, at 5:19 PM
  • Sho nuff Jo. By the way I too used to catch em by hand with a light. Also we used to tie a fly with a small hook on the end of a line tied to a pole. We let the fly dangle over the frog. They couldn't resist it.

    There is more than one way to skin a cat, er, er, a frog. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Apr 6, 2014, at 5:41 PM
  • News I reckon that the next time you visit Saline County you should purloin a few bull frogs to take home to develop a bull frog monopoly in Australia.

    Soon enough you would have more of the critters than you could sell. They are very good at proliferating. Come to think of it maybe that isn't such a good idea. Such effort may cause you to be more reviled than the joker who brought rabbits to Australia. ;)

    RIBBIT, not RABBIT! A slogan for you if you decide to go into the venture. http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/09/0928_040928_bullfrog.html

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Apr 6, 2014, at 5:53 PM
  • DR: All of the fool's in Washington need to Live the same as the Poor & Middle Class! They have NO idea what it's like! Take all the perks away from them along with 75% of their Wages. Term limit on all! These Professional Politicians make me Ill just to hear them Lie with every breath! We have to rid ourselves of these People?

    -- Posted by Jo on Mon, Apr 7, 2014, at 4:53 PM
  • Calling people morons seldom furthers a person's credibility. More often it is an indication of the lack of ability to rationally advance a point of view. Most learn of its lack of effectiveness by the time they leave the elementary school yard. Unfortunately some never do. Definition moron: "usually offensive: a person affected with mild mental retardation"

    I really don't think there are any morons posting here though there may be a few from time to time; those exhibiting the lack of ability to state a case for an opinion; only able to hurl insults as rebuttal may fall into the category of moron. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Apr 8, 2014, at 11:42 AM
  • Don't go all trolly. LOL Just talking of common decorum. Why didn't you say to News what you just said to me instead of just calling him a moron. At least it was a formed opinion, not a misinformed direct insult. If News were a moron he would not have the capability to post here as he does. So, guess who looks stupid by utilizing that description of him?

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Apr 8, 2014, at 6:43 PM
  • Everyone has an Opinion about Guns, and thats their right! I made most of my living Carrying a Gun! This is my opinion! Don't tell me not to make a comment about the Subject! News or anyone else can make their own case on the post you made?

    -- Posted by Jo on Tue, Apr 8, 2014, at 6:54 PM
  • Is everyone that loves and appreciates firearms a 'gun-nut'?

    The nut in the Fort Hood did use a gun. Why are the men and women in our armed forces that are sent to other countries to defend our freedom not allowed to defend themselves at home? Another one of those gun free zones where the 'nut' has the advantage.

    Of course the low information crowd are told the gun is the 'nut' and needs to be takes away from law biding citizens. Again another win for the 'nut' with a gun.

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Tue, Apr 8, 2014, at 8:57 PM
  • Why would anyone praise an insult by an AG that will not uphold the law of the United States? He is a disgrace to any law abiding citizen.

    How will the low information crowd respond?

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Tue, Apr 8, 2014, at 9:59 PM
  • Fire you still miss the point. Let me explain it this way. New's comment about gun nuts was a comment about a large class of people. Your comment was a direct insult to an individual and was also entirely erroneous. News is not a moron, surely you do not care to further argue that conclusion you had made.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Apr 8, 2014, at 10:48 PM
  • Its funny what the low information crowd will believe in a story from unreliable sources. The same story a couple of post back hardly mentions the real reason for the hearing.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/04/08/dont-want-to-go-there-holder-tangles-...

    Do you want to believe truth or opinion?

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Tue, Apr 8, 2014, at 11:20 PM
  • Good by fire. In my opinion you are uninteresting and exhibit the qualities of an internet troll. The best defense against trolls is to ignore them. Trolls come and go on these blogs.

    You don't have the capacity for debate that is illustrated by rr3's defense of fundamentalism, and far right politics. I think that you should read and learn from him.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Apr 9, 2014, at 7:47 PM
  • Firethecurrent's demeanor on this forum would suggest that he was a bully in school. His writing skills would suggest that he wasn't in school for very long.

    -- Posted by desert Rat on Wed, Apr 9, 2014, at 8:04 PM
  • ROTFLMAO dR.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Apr 9, 2014, at 9:56 PM
  • If you truly want an improvement in the Educational system...

    Reward the Teachers on Merit, not Tenure.

    -- Posted by EiEiO on Wed, Apr 9, 2014, at 11:26 PM
  • The site monitor needs to remove the entire comment made by anyone engaging in direct insult. And if it persists, the forum would benefit if you would remove them completely.

    -- Posted by RationalThinker on Thu, Apr 10, 2014, at 2:25 AM
  • Fire,

    You have no right to instruct me or anyone else on this forum to keep to ourselves. I doubt that you are more educated than anyone on this forum. Perhaps you should address your anger management issues.

    If you are trying to sway anyone to your gun rights opinion, you are failing miserably.

    -- Posted by desert Rat on Thu, Apr 10, 2014, at 10:58 AM
  • Fire,

    Are you drunk?

    -- Posted by desert Rat on Thu, Apr 10, 2014, at 5:22 PM
  • Thank you news and okr.

    It is a sad day for the state of Kansas when they found out Sebelius was resigning. They are scared that she is coming back.

    You know president santa being the first black president had an opportunity to be the greatest president this country had ever had. He could have brought unity to this country like we haven't seen since the founding. Sadly he has done exactly the opposite by dividing this country more then it ever has been.

    We see the AG get upset during a hearing saying that no AG has had to put up with that. Don't they remember what they put some of the Rebublican AG's through. Short term memory loss, must be all that pot smoking.lol.

    Then we see the AG trying to be subtle but he really wants to say that anyone against him is a racist. He does this at some Sharpton event and Al has become rich being one of the biggest racist in the country along with Jesse. It is unbelievable the lies that they will go to, to politicize everything. How many of us can owe $2 million in taxes since 2006 and get a pass? Al's organization does and they still owe it with no intention to pay it. Should they go to jail? These people along with the current administration think they are untouchable.

    Whenever there is a Republican attorney general that can actually do the job the Demwits go on witch hunt and then think they should not be under scrutiny. Now the low information voters will believe this. In none of these stories that I read was there anything about asparagus.

    Some people are learning that they can't listen to the state run media and get the truth anymore, hardly ever. Will they all learn? No Everyday our intelligence is insulted by president santa and his gang. Or is it? You decide!

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, Apr 10, 2014, at 9:47 PM
  • I do believe you are a better writer than when you first came here rr3; maybe we all are. After all we have all spent a goodly amount of time fussin' with each other to the best of our abilities.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Apr 10, 2014, at 10:45 PM
  • "You know president santa being the first black president had an opportunity to be the greatest president this country had ever had. He could have brought unity to this country like we haven't seen since the founding. Sadly he has done exactly the opposite by dividing this country more then it ever has been."

    I'm not trying to pick on you RR3, it is just that you write so many outlandish things I feel the need to respond. Nobody can bring unity to this country under the current political climate where the GOP is out to do the opposite of absolutely everything the Democrats propose. Paul Ryan's budget is shameful, and such an extreme it has no possibility of warranting a compromise. Even as the ACA finally hits its projected numbers signifying a successful direction, it is attacked as a failure by the GOP. This new breed of right-wing GOP members that want to keep the rich in power and meddle in everyone's social business IS the problem. This group of religious right wing nut jobs make conservatives like Jeb Bush and Chris Christy look like left wing liberals. There is no common ground with this group.

    -- Posted by RationalThinker on Sat, Apr 12, 2014, at 8:52 AM
  • Sadly RT it is all Obama when it comes to the division in this country during his tenure. He puts the poor against the rich, illegals against American citizens, etc. What hasn't he divided all for political gain. Granted the low information voter won't ever believe it because they believe in the state run media. Obama was never qualified to be a leader of anything, he is a 'Community Antagonizer' and that is the only thing he is good at.

    He has apologized to everyone so they would like us, but they still hate us. He supports terrorist groups and people seem to be ok with it. Al Queda is stronger now then they were 5 years ago. He has lost more lives in Afghanistan then Bush did, but you didn't hear that on your media did you. When you look at the facts, the GOP has not been in charge, but the Demwits have gotten everything they want and they are still not happy. Because it never works. It is all built on lies for political gain.

    "The further a society drifts from the truth,the more it will hate those that speak it". George Orwell

    We see that on here as anyone that speaks the truth is viciously attacked. Instead of any intelligent dialogue they only want to attack the character or the person's source of information. The reason is that lies will not stand against the truth. The truth will always prevail.

    The best thing to do is post what is true and let the entertainment begin. It is sad and funny at the same time. It will make you realize how we this president got elected not only once but twice.

    For those that read this blog but don't post because of the attacks, just don't take it personal just go ahead and post and then be entertained as you read post from those that claim to be informed and think rationally. You will see when you post the truth they will feel the need to respond. Isn't that sweet.

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sun, Apr 13, 2014, at 5:31 PM
  • What do low information liberals think of the feds showdown with a Texas rancher?

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sun, Apr 13, 2014, at 6:18 PM
  • Why are the liberals not speaking out about the IRS scandals? They are supposed to be the freedom loving tolerant ones. Right!

    We find that Elijah Cummings(D) was fed emails from Lerner about a conservative organization that wanted to get the truth out. Yet he tried to make Issa(R) out as a racist. Amazing to what measures they will take to cover up the truth of this gross abuse of power. Does the low information liberal even know the truth about this?

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sun, Apr 13, 2014, at 6:49 PM
  • "We see that on here as anyone that speaks the truth is viciously attacked. Instead of any intelligent dialogue they only want to attack the character or the person's source of information."-rr3

    Yes, and I will be grateful rr3 when you, and the rest of the confused far right fundamentalists stop doing that. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Apr 13, 2014, at 8:44 PM
  • Oh yes, one other thing rr3; firethecurrent recently, and DO in the recent past are prime examples of that, don't you agree?

    Going a bit further in to the history of these blogs rr3, why do you think it is that it has been folks such as DO and his rightwing predecessors such as Third World that have been kicked off these forums for egregious behavior? Can you recall even one person from the left who has been booted?

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Apr 13, 2014, at 8:55 PM
  • Empress ALL you have done for several months is ATTACK me and/or News Across. You may recall that those attacks have drawn no response from me. That will remain my defense against anyone who says nothing to further discussion.

    Should you decide to end your negative campaign and instead post something that I consider worthy of discussion I may enter into discussion.

    This is the last you will hear from me until you end your long enduring attacks. I find it curious that you can not let go of things that upset you long ago to the point that it is the only thing you have to say months later. Frankly I find it weird.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Apr 14, 2014, at 11:59 AM
  • I too enjoyed the Lewis Black video. I tried finding the full talk on YouTube but couldn't. I was surprised he proclaims to be a socialist since that word is often held in less esteem than being an atheist, which he also admits to.

    -- Posted by RationalThinker on Tue, Apr 15, 2014, at 9:54 PM
  • I sometimes wonder how the Tea Party members and the Westboro Baptist Church members hide their lobotomy scars.

    -- Posted by desert Rat on Tue, Apr 15, 2014, at 10:55 PM
  • Maybe the only solution is a partition of our nation. The south central part of our country, namely old Dixie, and its border states, could secede, and be renamed the United States of Stepford.

    All the Phyllis Schlafly types, all the Limbaughesques, all the Pat Robertson followers, and so on could move there, changing back to their foggy version of a 1950s culture. They could block all TV news signals excepting Fox, and live happily ever after.

    All the good folks who would want to flee such a rat hole could engage in home swaps, etc. with those eager to move in to Stepford. Everybody happy!

    Then maybe, just maybe, we in the remaining United States would once again have a non-polarized functioning government, universal health coverage, freedom from religion based morality's intrusion into our private lives, reduced prison populations, and a decent standard of living for all our citizens. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Apr 17, 2014, at 12:50 AM
  • By the way rr3 as you may recall I have proposed on several occasions to swap my nice little Oklahoma home for yours in Missouri so that we would each reside in a more compatible social environment. It would have been a one on one swap similar to what I just wrote about the United States of Stepford.

    Well buddy you missed the boat, the offer is off the table. I no longer see a heck of a lot of difference in Missouri, and Oklahoma excepting Oklahoma for the moment has a few more Southern Baptists. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Apr 17, 2014, at 1:04 AM
  • Hey OKR, the splitting of our nation idea sounds intriguing. I'm guessing one section would soon start to look a lot like Iran or Afghanistan, and the other part would drift towards looking like a Switzerland or Sweden. It would be the hippies versus the neocons, the free lovers versus the sex with guilt group. It would be those who share versus those who hoard. I already know the ones of you I'd be sharing a country with... don't bogart that joint my friend :-)

    -- Posted by RationalThinker on Sat, Apr 19, 2014, at 7:33 AM
  • LMAO RT. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Apr 19, 2014, at 11:08 AM
  • Good point News. As you just illustrated I see no obstacles that could not be overcome with careful planning by good rational minds.

    As for what Stepford would become all I care to say is it would be well deserved.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Apr 19, 2014, at 7:05 PM
  • What about we move the border fence between us and Mexico over to the U. S. S. border? Then we could seed their rain clouds with estrogen, also attack with drones equipped with sprayers and tanks full of it to bring a calming effect to the enemy. A new sort of warfare such as that might just be the proactive solution!

    By the way it might be a good thing to also equip the Drones with loud speakers blasting out Debbie and Pat Boone songs.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Apr 20, 2014, at 6:37 PM
  • Empress, News, I think you guys take some of my flippant comments far too seriously. I suppose that what I said goes no deeper than authoritarian, paternalistic societies tend to be angry, and seekers of physically aggressive solutions to problems, thus could benefit from modulation produced by estrogen.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Apr 20, 2014, at 9:22 PM
  • Anybody up for occupying the Supreme Court?

    -- Posted by cheesehead on Mon, Apr 21, 2014, at 9:23 PM
  • Too bad that they didn't ask him about Justice Douglas who was the left equivalent of the current far right Justices. Oh how the conservatives used to moan about, and rail against him! It might have provoked a different response from him if he had been asked about Douglas first, then about the likes of Clarence Thomas. Line of questioning is important in interviews.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Apr 22, 2014, at 11:04 AM
  • There is NO common sense in America any more from either side! There is but one answer to our problems ! And it's what's fair to everyone.I don't see that as a big problem, if there is any sympathy left in this Country for the Middle class & the Poor!

    -- Posted by Jo on Tue, Apr 22, 2014, at 1:04 PM
  • Local control only when it suits them SD. Governor Mary Failin here in Oklahoma is pushing a law that municipalities can not raise the minimum wage within their boundaries. So much for local control! What a bunch of nefarious hypocrites they are.

    They are only happy when they can keep young girls knocked up in every circumstance, and every working stiff laboring for an insufficient minimum wage.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Apr 25, 2014, at 12:15 PM
  • That WAS a winner News. LMAO

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Apr 25, 2014, at 3:54 PM
  • I don't know about that News. I think I prefer that you continue the practice of blarney as you, I and the rest of the regular denizens here are darn proficient at it. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Apr 25, 2014, at 9:45 PM
  • Opinions of the validity of the material at this link may split the usually in agreement progressives who post here. http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/23267-autism-nation-americas-chemical-brain-d...

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Apr 26, 2014, at 2:19 AM
  • News I appreciate your concerns. My step-grandson has Asperger's syndrome, and I have a granddaughter with severe Rett's syndrome. Nuff said huh?

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Apr 26, 2014, at 12:18 PM
  • Good stuff (Howlin' Wolf).

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Apr 27, 2014, at 12:29 AM
  • Smart Dog: I like your Comments!

    -- Posted by Jo on Mon, Apr 28, 2014, at 7:06 PM
  • -- Posted by EiEiO on Tue, Apr 29, 2014, at 9:54 AM
  • Bravo Smart Dog very well said, and supported!

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Apr 29, 2014, at 6:42 PM
  • Howlin Wolf was great, but Joe Williams was the Man a little before that! Late 40's early 50's!Great Voice! He was around a long time. There was a long line of great Big Band Singer's in the good days!

    -- Posted by Jo on Tue, Apr 29, 2014, at 8:29 PM
  • Thanks New's. Now thats Music!

    -- Posted by Jo on Wed, Apr 30, 2014, at 2:55 PM
  • Well that leaves firethecurrent with no alternative excepting to draw a bead on you News. I am sure he is well schooled in stand your ground. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, May 1, 2014, at 2:20 AM
  • Hey SD you must have quaffed an entire pot of coffee this morning. You were on a roll. Funny stuff. I am big on humor in politics as it is a balm for the B. S. that bombards us these days.

    While I am at it I appreciated your poking holes in the propaganda during the recent local brouhaha. To me the bottom line regarding a lack of educational achievement is poverty. If poverty continues to increase, and I believe it will, achievement in education will continue to diminish.

    Nothing else that we do will end the plunge, not new schools, not Common Core (which I believe will leave even more poor kids behind and dropping out), not even better teachers if we can't lower class size along with that improvement, and certainly not somebody's God peeking over kids' shoulders in every classroom.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, May 1, 2014, at 12:50 PM
  • I don't know enough about the grazing on Government Land to really make a comment! But it is the People's land! It does seem if it is the People's land that anyone should have the right to graze their Cattle without giving the Government another cut! Seems when they get a cut of everything, anything fine! Sounds like the Mob! Marijuana for another example.

    -- Posted by Jo on Fri, May 2, 2014, at 12:06 PM
  • Empress & New's; Isn't the Government letting the Oil Companies to do as they Please with our Land?They have been Polluting everything for Years! Also Coal Companies! Exxon is going to Palaute our entire Water table,with this Pipeline they want to string across the middle of the Country! Grazing seems small when their Burying Nuclear Waste on Fault lines and possibly Polluting all the Water we have! I say they worry about things like that! All that will be left for our Families in the future is disaster! I say work on ridding our Country of Fossil Fuel, Nuclear Fuel! And we can if we have the will and the Moxy to make them do it? Money is making them all rich! But all those S.O.B.s will be dead ,so lets leave it for someone else to deal with,the dirty bunch of scumbags!!

    -- Posted by Jo on Fri, May 2, 2014, at 11:32 PM
  • Wake up ~Sheeple~ Read the REAL News.

    http://www.infowars.com/

    -- Posted by EiEiO on Sat, May 3, 2014, at 5:04 AM
  • Shades of long gone ThirdChild and DO!

    Could that be EiEiO?

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, May 3, 2014, at 11:46 AM
  • The GOP isn't just the party of NO. It is also the party of DOESN'T KNOW.

    -- Posted by desert Rat on Sun, May 4, 2014, at 11:52 AM
  • If you truly believe that the folks at MSNBC despise the folks

    at Fox, and that Drudge and Huffington are mortal enemies. If you truly believe

    they don't ~strategize~ and plan propaganda campaigns so that they can maintain

    the divisions amongst the people and keep the masses distracted for the purpose

    of picking their pockets, then I have a bridge I'd like to sell you...

    -- Posted by EiEiO on Mon, May 5, 2014, at 2:17 AM
  • -- Posted by EiEiO on Mon, May 5, 2014, at 2:22 AM
  • -- Posted by EiEiO on Mon, May 5, 2014, at 2:56 AM
  • Thanks for the bridge link EiEiO. From 1946 through 1951 I lived east of that bridge, in Pettis County near the Saline/Pettis line. More specifically, our farm bordered the south end of the Marshall Junction Wildlife area.

    We went to Sweet Springs regularly, taking our separated cream to sell at the creamery. I do not recall that bridge however though we used back roads to go to Sweet Springs.

    Also thanks (seriously) for presenting the extreme conspiracy themes here on the blogs. That view has been missing for some time. It is good that all persuasions be available for perusal.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, May 5, 2014, at 9:58 AM
  • Ah these Okies, you can shake them, and shake them, but you can not awaken them.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/05/oklahoma-earthquake-risk_n_5269280.html...

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, May 6, 2014, at 12:01 AM
  • I was in Bunkerville, NV yesterday. I drove by the Bundy ranch and did not see even one cow on his property. I wonder where they could be.

    I would estimate that about 50 of the militia gun nuts were still camped in the area. That estimate includes the women and children the cowards would use as shields.

    When your department title begins with the word bureau, there is a good chance that it is run by bureaucrats. The BLM made many blunders. The First Amendment Areas were a joke. Their timing couldn't have been worse. Tortoises were leaving their dens and the cattle were calving. Closing 600,000 acres of recreation land hurt the local economies.

    Bundy doesn't have a legal leg to stand on. In 1864, years before the Bundy's arrived, Nevada became a state. The Nevada constitution specifically states that Nevada would forever cede most of its land to the federal government. The Bundy's didn't buy the 160 acre ranch until 1948 and didn't have grazing permits until 1953. Bundy has been drubbed in the courts.

    Those involved in the standoff should be prosecuted for child endangerment and obstruction of justice at the very least. The militia presence is still affecting the local economy. Most people in Bunkerville and Mesquite wish that the militia and the Bundy's would just leave.

    -- Posted by desert Rat on Tue, May 6, 2014, at 12:08 PM
  • Good comments dR and SD.

    You provoked the thought that sometime in the next ten years there may be a rash of lawsuits against parents of home "schooled" by the children for failing to provide them a viable education.

    I personally know two good kids in Kansas who are ignorant of most things kids may acquire in public school, and misinformed regarding the rest. The custodial parent has had multiple visitations by Kansas child welfare officials who turned a blind eye to the mess. Come to think of it such kids may find a deeper pocket in state government as a co-defendant.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, May 6, 2014, at 3:47 PM
  • To allow the militia to get away with what they pulled would set a terrible precedent. The militias would be emboldened to interfere with any government actions that they didn't agree with. OKR is probably aware of the upcoming clash over the Red River situation.

    Two of the worst precedent setting mistakes were made by Cheney's puppet. Allowing torture opens the door for any enemy holding US POWs. A preemtive attack on another country because you perceive a threat opens the door for any country to attack another country and claim they felt threatened.

    -- Posted by desert Rat on Tue, May 6, 2014, at 6:41 PM
  • I am assuming dR that you are referencing the Red River situation described at the following link. http://www.dallasnews.com/news/local-news/20140430-red-river-land-dispute-echoes...

    It is a rather large assumption on my part because Okies and Texans have found ways to make the Red River one point of controversy, or another, in one fashion, or another since Oklahoma became a state.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, May 7, 2014, at 1:15 AM
  • Any of you guys eat Wonder bread? Read this, and you may wonder why. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/08/upshot/the-countrys-most-republican-company-th...

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, May 9, 2014, at 12:59 AM
  • The FBI is now investigating the Bundy militia.

    -- Posted by desert Rat on Fri, May 9, 2014, at 12:06 PM
  • The purpose of Elections are for the People of this Country!These Billionaire has enough Money to buy this Country and thats what their doing! They need to return to Public finance! A 51% majority Vote on any Bill,NO Filibusters, flat Tax on everyone, cut Representatives in half, Single Payer on Medical Care, including the Politicians, Cut all benefits after service in office,Term Limits on all but the President and Vice President,Prosecution for any intimidation from one too the other for their Vote! This and a few other things would change a lot of the B.S. in the System! RR3 give me your take on this and why it wouldn't help? Are there anyone else with an opinions on this?

    -- Posted by Jo on Fri, May 9, 2014, at 1:53 PM
  • This pretty much sums it up as to why this country is in the shape it is in now. It also effects other parts of the world.

    WARNING:If you don't like the truth, don't read it.

    http://www.thepcmdgazette.com/news/triple-amputee-veterans-fk-you-letter-to-obam...

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Fri, May 9, 2014, at 8:36 PM
  • rr3: There is NO truth anymore, (nothing) thats why its so sad ! Its puts a sad light on the Country,and a real good example for the Kids of this Country! But you do have to admit, the Republicans don't even try to make anything believable.They just stick with a lie,even when proven its a lie! I do think they think we are stupid and helpless (which we are) Democrats too. None of them want to make this an Honorable Country. Does any of that previous comment i made, make sense? Any of it?

    -- Posted by Jo on Fri, May 9, 2014, at 10:51 PM
  • WARNING! The link that rr3 presented with his last post pops up a website software screen urging that you must download their product. To get away from it I had to close all programs on my computer. I did not get to read the article at the link because the pesky pop up covered it.

    Not your fault rr3. I suppose that sort of invasive pest could pop up elsewhere.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, May 10, 2014, at 1:12 AM
  • Good post News. It is another one of many responses to rr3's posts that he will never answer. His presentations are usually typical wing nut activity in that after he offers them, and someone takes the time to debunk them, he has nothing more to say; instead moving on to presentation of another piece of misinformation.

    It is the primary tactic of the right; a constant slinging of sh*t against the wall knowing that some will stick, will be observed by many, and believed by some to be a graphic illustration depicting truth despite the obvious stink. Without that tactical deviation of excretion the right's nasty business would be flushed as it should be.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, May 10, 2014, at 10:24 AM
  • Benghazi

    Definition: ben.ghaz.i /ben ga zee/

    Interjection. (Used to express anger, frustration, outrage, etc. at lack of actual Obama scandals.)

    (Observed in the 'Oklahoma Observer" May 2014 issue.)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, May 10, 2014, at 11:18 AM
  • "We can't blame rr for not knowing the site is a hoax site. That can happen to any unsuspecting reader -- and how many folks actually check to see if a claim is real or a hoax?" -News Across

    Then may we blame rr3 for his eagerness to find, eagerness to believe, and eagerness to repeat hateful and preposterous right wing propaganda?

    Do you believe that if something walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and has feathers like a duck is a duck? Or, do you hold out that it may in fact be an aardvark? ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, May 10, 2014, at 6:18 PM
  • I don't think rr3 is ever looking for the truth News; instead he looks for declarations that support his every preconceived position which he always considers to be true. It is the mind set of rightists.

    I hasten to add that leftists, and centrists may also fall into that trap, but are less likely to be as dogmatic.

    Leftists often argue among themselves (you and I are a good example of that LOL). In all the years we have been around these blogs I have yet to see the first disagreement, and quarrel between two Rightists.

    Centrists by definition must look at both sides to stay centrists, though there has been a shift from center left, to center, and finally center right over the last thirty years among that group. It is likely that as they watch and absorb things that at some point they for a period of time will shift again.

    Then there is the Right who take Reagan's statement that Republicans must never criticize other Republicans as near gospel. They are in fact the Rigid Right. I personally believe that it is primarily due to differences in their brains, and there is considerable evidence to support that view. Much of it has been presented in this forum over the last several years. Differences in the amygdala is one of those differences.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, May 10, 2014, at 8:23 PM
  • Agreed News. How he (Reagan, not rr3) is viewed in the long run will largely be determined by what transpires in our country. If we continue this devolution from a rational society there may eventually be a statute of him in every town square feeding station where the proletarians gather to receive their daily food handout, soylent green or whatever. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, May 10, 2014, at 10:57 PM
  • SD unfortunately the days when Murrow and even Cronkite asked the tough questions are as long gone as the citizens who sat down to watch the evening news and actually got news. Thankfully we may at least scratch around on the internet in do it yourself mode.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, May 11, 2014, at 10:38 AM
  • Tar Baby and Troll

    Fraught with dangers is a forum's path.

    Woe to you if you stir someone's wrath.

    Especially troublesome are one, or two;

    first is the Troll who will gnaw and chew.

    The Troll goal is to stir all your hate,

    bite at your head, and slowly masticate.

    After all of your senses are pulverized

    you blurt to hurt, and become despised.

    Equally troubling in my jaundiced view

    is what a lurking Tar Baby can do to you.

    They twist your words as well as their own.

    The more you engage and try best to explain,

    the more they twist and treat with disdain.

    Being stuck to a Tar Baby is not any fun.

    Pull back as you will you can't get undone.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, May 12, 2014, at 1:04 PM
  • Oops! I meant to post this poem on the original Speak Out. Posting it here may leave the impression that is a direct reflection about recent comments on this forum. It is not, so please do not try on the shoe; if it should fit you will just be angrier. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, May 12, 2014, at 1:15 PM
  • I think have finally figured out why the right wing politicians that dominate government here in Oklahoma and other places are so fearful, and upset about the possibility of Sharia law becoming a part of the judicial system. Could it be that they are afraid that they would all be adjudicated and have their tongues cut out because of their constant lying? ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, May 12, 2014, at 7:09 PM
  • SD: Thay are all Liar!And i think it became worse when the Obama Administration didn't Put BUSH & Cheney up on War Crimes and Treason for outing the CIA Operative !! I hope all of them involved rot in History! The U.S. GOVERNMENT Politicians SUCK and need replaced by the People! It could happen if everyone would just look at all of them a little deeper and quit listening to all the BS!

    -- Posted by Jo on Mon, May 12, 2014, at 7:34 PM
  • News I think the only way we will ever get the creationist crowd on board with believing the facts of climate change is to interweave it with those beliefs they hold near, and dear.

    We must point out to them that wrathful God is outraged at the actions of all the homosexuals, blacks, Democrats, Hispanics and atheistic lying scientists.

    Therefore God has turned all but fundamentalist Christian humanity's actions against themselves provoking climate change. It gives them a fresh prayer route; "O Lord please stop the sinners efforts to despoil your beautiful garden", and their actions will follow their prayers. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, May 12, 2014, at 7:56 PM
  • It does News, but we still must do more to in anyway we can to get as many people as we can on board with the truth.

    My comment was only partially facetious. Maybe we should counter the lies and myths with better lies and myths, just for those with animosity toward, and ignorance of truth. It is hard to overcome the revered statement referencing lies, damned lies, and statistics. Perhaps good lies, white lies are a portion of the answer. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, May 12, 2014, at 9:03 PM
  • Capitalism will (is?) bringing our moral destruction? An interesting essay that will cause the Right to disavow their hero economist.

    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-1-quote-and-who-said-it-prove-capitalism-i...

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, May 12, 2014, at 11:56 PM
  • News I have learned that though one can swat flies it is more efficient to give maggots nothing to feed on. I have no idea why that thought just popped into my head. Just another way to say nip things in the bud I reckon. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, May 13, 2014, at 12:03 AM
  • Beware those Google eyes. They are watching, waiting, for an opportunity to pounce.

    http://www.dissentmagazine.org/online_articles/googles-snoops-mining-our-data-fo...

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, May 13, 2014, at 12:19 AM
  • I think you are spot on SD that Karl Rove is brain damaged. I will go even further and offer a potential diagnosis based on his lack of compassion and related emotions that he is a victim of a petrified anterior insula, and/or petrified anterior cingulate as well as a hyphenated hypothalamus.

    Unfortunately it is a brain disease he shares with many others among the political Right. As best I can tell the only cure is a partial lobotomy which has horrible side effects that leave the "cured" patient a near zombie. Although it is obvious that the cure leaves the patient less a threat to society, the patient can no longer take care of himself.

    The operation will not become a viable option until there is a removal of the multitudes of afflicted from power who now exercise control in our society. Those afflicted would never agree to take care of the post operative patients, any more than they will for any of the other vulnerable populations. It is truly an ironic catch 22. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, May 13, 2014, at 2:51 PM
  • Karl Rove ,Bush,Cheney,Rumsfeld,Condoleezza,Armitage,and a few more should have been put in front of a Firingsquad! They are all Traitors and Mass Murderers! NOt Politicians! They crossed the line of Humans! They will one day be considered as scum not Honorable in any way,the lowest of the low!!!

    -- Posted by Jo on Tue, May 13, 2014, at 9:32 PM
  • The only thing i have against Obama is,he's not tough enough? He had good idea's,but was not tough enough to go all the way with them! The GOP wasn't going to go along with any of it! The Leader's at the top are bad but, the rest went along for the ride,so that make's them as bad as the Leader's at the top,maybe worse for being follower's and not working for the people. They live in (THEIR)own little world, all of them!We should have the right to Vote on anything that comes up for approval! 51% Majority! Leader Pac or anything else!There is a lot there!!!I keep saying change the way the system work's and kick some ***'es out entirly!

    -- Posted by Jo on Wed, May 14, 2014, at 2:45 PM
  • "The Fascinating Bedlam of Creationism"

    The bed rock of many Creationists is the King James version of the Bible. Biblical texts were interpreted in the sixteenth century by forty seven English theologians, and scholars at the behest of the English ruling class resulting in that version.

    Of course it is imperative that Creationists believe that all forty seven had a direct long distance connection to God in order to not even wonder if one, or more of the multitude of other translations, by many theologian/scholars in many lands, who spoke, wrote, and read as a primary language English, or other than English, may have had a similar God connection. And so it goes.

    An interesting read: http://www.truth-out.org/buzzflash/commentary/the-fascinating-bedlam-of-creation...

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, May 15, 2014, at 1:50 PM
  • Who were the forty seven; how, and why did they convene (in more detail). http://www.av1611.org/kjv/kjvhist.html

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, May 15, 2014, at 2:04 PM
  • I thought empress had a tendency to try to make mountain ranges out of pimples.

    -- Posted by desert Rat on Fri, May 16, 2014, at 7:44 PM
  • I thought that she was over the top dramatic, and on a regular basis imagined, or exagerrated slights about which she could become vindictive, and which she could not let go. I wish her well, though she would never believe that. I thought that at times she made interesting comments.

    With that comment I am letting go of the post mortem to return to ignoring her which is the path I had already began to travel.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, May 17, 2014, at 1:10 AM
  • Third Child? It seems there was another one between DO and Third Child, but I don't recall his moniker. He was the one that proclaimed he was a world traveler, hinted at involvement in espionage, and unnamed government organizations, etc. He may have been the one with these forums greatest meltdown.

    He along with DO, and Third Child were Alex Jones fans. I don't think Raytown Bill was a fan, but was far right.

    E. was the first banished to claim being a liberal, another distinction.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, May 17, 2014, at 2:51 PM
  • OKR, might that be Bodi? Didn't he make the comment:

    "as far as normal, able bodied healthy adults go, I wouldn't cross the street to pee on them if they were on fire".

    -- Posted by RationalThinker on Sat, May 17, 2014, at 3:45 PM
  • Yes, Bodi! The thought occurred to me that maybe troll Bodi came back with a new persona as troll DO (with a new online address). Thanks RT.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, May 17, 2014, at 4:41 PM
  • Looking back on the positive side I thought Mr. X-ray did a great job with conservative positions. He was pretty good with nuance. Concerning the religion forum Eastwood did a good job with the fundamentalist position.

    They would be livelier forums if those two would return. It would be great if rr3 had some allies. I think that at times these must be lonely places for rr3.

    Meanwhile we camp out and wait for him to return so the conversation can start flowing. I reckon he knows that. He is truly doughty.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, May 17, 2014, at 11:15 PM
  • It would also be nice to get the slant of moderates; Republican, Democrat, or unaligned. We are so polarized as individuals and as a society these days that one of those showing up is about as likely as a Dodo landing on the Hab Center lake with a flock of honkers.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, May 17, 2014, at 11:46 PM
  • We need a good laugh around here. How about Bill Maher with the latest "New Rules": http://www.truth-out.org/buzzflash/videos/video/latest-bill-maher-new-rules-from...

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, May 18, 2014, at 2:26 AM
  • "9 Vilest Right-Wing Moments This Week", plus new word with definition that defines much of what is in place within right wing skulls, "coprocephalus" (find it on page two).

    http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-and-right/9-vilest-right-wing-moments-week-lim...

    ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, May 18, 2014, at 3:45 PM
  • It was over 100 degrees when I drove past the Bundy encampment the other day. I saw less than two dozen head of cattle on Bundy's property and that is about how many goons are left. I saw only two tents, one motor home and maybe eight travel trailers. I suspect most of the goons spend the heat of the day at casinos in Mesquite. In a few weeks, low temperatures will be in the nineties. After losing at the casinos and suffering in the heat, the goons will be long gone before the fourth of July.

    -- Posted by desert Rat on Sun, May 18, 2014, at 5:59 PM
  • It amazes me that they can swallow whole the most preposterous things. I some times wonder if many of them have been preconditioned to embrace the preposterous by early fundamentalist Christian teachings of parents and parsons.

    After all if one can swallow whole that the earth is six thousand years old, early religious tales twisted by multiple interpretations through the centuries are embraced that state magic is real, i.e. people walk on water, produce huge amounts of food from a mere hand full, and so on, they are ripe to believe anything.

    It is compounded by the fact that so called leaders who purport to share their believe in such garbage, are telling them the nonsensical political tales that dovetail with that tripe. Deluded from the day they were born I reckon. Allegory is one thing, but this insanity is quite another.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, May 19, 2014, at 12:50 PM
  • Here is an interesting commentary regarding our current thread; science and the fundamentalist community. More food for thought: http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/05/tea-party-climate-trust-science

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, May 20, 2014, at 4:53 PM
  • We did not inherit the earth from our parents; we are borrowing it from our children.

    -- Posted by desert Rat on Tue, May 20, 2014, at 5:28 PM
  • SD when my computer crashed a while back I tried to stay up with what was going on via my wife's "Surface". When I touched the "Opinion" header it would only take me directly to the Blogs, no option to go to forums.

    Over to the right side of the screen is the most read column which has a most discussed option. I hit most discussed, it brought up politics, and religion, I could touch those, and get to the forums. Once on the Politics, or Religion forums there was an "other forums" with the words "Speak Out" it would take me when touched, to the original Speak Out forum.

    It could be, that the powers that be, just want to do what they can to keep we resident geezers sharp so they give us these little problems to solve. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, May 21, 2014, at 2:34 PM
  • ROTFLMAO SD!

    An important distinction News. I have this theory that the only time some folks brains are at the top is when they are standing on their heads with their legs bent. Of course there is nothing scientific about it. It is just an observation based on the apparent.

    We all know what happens to those folks who never dig deeper than what is apparent to them. They spend their time watching Fox News. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, May 21, 2014, at 6:42 PM
  • Wow SD that is a lot to think about, one of those I'll get back to you later queries. Now I mull.

    Oh yes I hasten to add that you left out Rational Thinker unless you and he are one and the same, sort of a "Countryman" situation huh? ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, May 23, 2014, at 1:30 PM
  • Darned if those Tea Party nutcases don't just pratfall all over themselves in efforts to top the last ludicrous lambast of a low brow.

    "Florida Lawmaker Stands By Claim That Common Core Turns Kids Gay."

    Common Core has its problems, but there ain't no way in hell that is one of them.

    By the way, we have mentioned that rr3 feeds us fodder to masticate. I reckon that we in turn give him stuff to swallow whole such as this link. Fair is fair.

    http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2014/05/21...

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, May 23, 2014, at 3:46 PM
  • The thought occurred to me that a lot is often made of surnames, then the thought occurred to me that there are not nearly enough politicians named Lipschitz. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, May 24, 2014, at 2:02 AM
  • For a very long time one thing that I have regretted is the lack of a public sense of regret within our observation of Memorial Day.

    It is there on a personal level. I am certain that many who have suffered from a personal loss, that is the death of a loved one in armed conflict, in any one of our many wars, are overcome with regret caused by the attendant loss of one near and dear, as well as the futility of the causative circumstances.

    Yet among all the grand words publically spoken honoring the sacrifice, few deal with the regret at strategic mistakes made leading to the unnecessary deaths of thousands whose absence is grieved.

    How can we properly honor those lost without emphasizing that caution, and care must be taken that not more precious life is lost in those wars essentially provoked by unfounded aggression?

    Somehow though we always manage to do just that with much of the general public address, ignoring regret at our mistakes, and instead ramping up patriotic, jingoistic support for the next, which is likely just around the corner.

    Perhaps it causes just too much anguish for us to collectively acknowledge, and bear; that our pain, our grief, and our loved one's loss all was for naught, when stripped even of the dignity afforded by necessity.

    Thank you for your service, including all of you who continue to serve, voluntarily, or not; by every day bearing the loss of a loved one. Though your hero's pain is gone, yours will always linger on; I am sorry.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, May 26, 2014, at 11:53 AM
  • That was original News. ;)

    Have a good one!

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, May 26, 2014, at 7:13 PM
  • fire,

    If there was an attitude check as well as a background check, you would have to disarm.

    -- Posted by desert Rat on Wed, May 28, 2014, at 11:25 AM
  • An American Love Affair

    I love, I love, I love my guns

    so much more than women's buns!

    That nine inch barrel on my revolver,

    is my personal problem solver.

    When nothing else still works for me

    when there remains no A to Z

    and I am left with only P

    it is my gun that sets me free

    It scares me that I could lose my fun

    so I buy my bullets by the ton

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, May 28, 2014, at 1:56 PM
  • fire,

    There is nothing wrong with stating your beliefs. It is the snotty manner that you choose to use. Your people skills are every bit as lacking as your writing skills. Perhaps you should go help Bundy. You seem to have the same mind set.

    -- Posted by desert Rat on Wed, May 28, 2014, at 3:58 PM
  • Thank you fire, though I fear you may have misinterpreted its inspiration, and inference. If that is not so you have a sense of humor that transcends your convictions which is all good for all of us. I never miss an opportunity to be amused, which is preferable to bemused.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, May 28, 2014, at 4:18 PM
  • The left insists opinions be free

    among themselves they can't agree

    and can seldom embrace unity

    they fight, they shout and they fuss

    among themselves they often cuss

    The right is a more cohesive gang

    all agree with every wild harangue

    espoused by the right's wildest nut

    instead of brain, they trust gut

    eyes wide closed, minds wide shut

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, May 28, 2014, at 6:06 PM
  • LOL gonna have to change that name to firebackthecurrent! Don't agree with you, but appreciate your variant voice on the forums.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, May 29, 2014, at 6:52 PM
  • The gun nut crowd (not all gun owners) avow that if everyone had guns there would not be mass shootings, their hypothesis holds that an armed good guy would kill 'em before they could get er done.

    Maybe it is time to call their bluff in a big way. Why not select some sample schools, all in places that the NRA is strong, and arm every student over eighteen with a hand gun. As many of the mass murders happen at schools that would be the perfect culture dish for the experiment.

    Once in the experiment a school could not drop out for three years, no matter what happened. I would be willing to bet that if that is done we would get a handle on the mass shooting at schools problem. It is time for the NRA, and gun nuts to put up, or shut up.

    You would go for that wouldn't you firethecurrent?

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, May 30, 2014, at 12:59 AM
  • Deaths caused by alcohol, tobacco and gunshots are all preventable. All three are regulated to some degree. The first two are heavily taxed. I am for taxing guns. If we taxed guns and churches, we could make a big dent in the national debt. If not for gun nuts and religi-nazis, the GOP wouldn't amount to much.

    -- Posted by desert Rat on Fri, May 30, 2014, at 6:19 PM
  • Sorry for the long excerpt below, it is from the link below. At the link is a pretty good description as to how strong "Lefties" think and feel, and why, and what they intend to do about it. A lot more as well. The best read I have had for a while. Oh, did I say it may be inspirational, and informing to some of us? One last thing; rr3 this is a must read for you, an opportunity to get inside a Lefty's mind. You think Obama is a Lefty?

    "And this is the conclusion to which I am now arriving:

    When in war, when defending revolutions, when fighting imperialism: one has to be, and to write as a poet... Each report has to be part of a great novel which will be written in the future, or which is being written right there, as one prepares his or her reports. Otherwise it is all ****, and will touch nobody and change nothing.

    This is where our only advantage is, against those corporate ******: we are human and alive and we have a heart that is on the left and blood that is red, and all that we do is because we love this world passionately... we love this humanity... and we fight and are ready to die for it.

    Every report should have at least one poem hidden inside it. It has to touch. It has to offer warmth and relief, and it has to outrage and lead people onto the barricades.

    We have to learn how to write like that, again. Otherwise everything is really lost!

    And then, instead of recycling as those corporate scribes and academia do, we have to listen to the people, and not to the establishment, not to each other."

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/05/30/how-should-we-write-and-fight/

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, May 31, 2014, at 2:19 AM
  • Thanks News, I too found value in it. When it is happening on the other side of the world; chopping up children with a machete (for instance) is ignored. It is human nature to do so.

    There are times when people of good conscience must struggle against our collective nature, and at the very least notice such things enough to pause, and feel sorrow about them. We are our brother's keepers, and response in some small ways is morally mandatory.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, May 31, 2014, at 1:25 PM
  • The NRA on their headquarters has emblazoned only the second part of the second amendment. Perhaps it is time that someone brought suit against the NRA, and all owners of guns most suited for armed conflict.

    The jist of the suit would be that unless such gun owners are members of duly constituted militias they must give up their weapons that are best suited for that purpose, and that the NRA must stop advancing open sales of such weapons. I think even todays Supreme Court may have a hard time ignoring the entire Second Amendment, or twisting the Amendment, when having to deliberate from that perspective.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Jun 3, 2014, at 1:08 AM
  • I have come to the conclusion that Document's mean nothing! The Politician's & their Attorneys do as they please by changing one word, and changing the meaning of the entire Document? So people,you think we are in charge? Thats Bull, and you know it!

    -- Posted by Jo on Tue, Jun 3, 2014, at 3:40 PM
  • Thanks for the link! News it made my day! loved it!

    -- Posted by Jo on Tue, Jun 3, 2014, at 10:57 PM
  • ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Jun 4, 2014, at 2:24 PM
  • I think it likely that when removed from the count those whose profession includes a duty to save lives with their guns, essentially accredited law enforcement officers, and those others who would still have guns under the most stringent gun control conditions, there would remain very few lives saved by individuals packing heat.

    Now I could be wrong, so "fire" educate me please. I know it will take a considerable amount of research to answer my question, but hey anything to prove your point huh?

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Jun 6, 2014, at 5:30 PM
  • So firethecurrent you concede my point that few lives are saved by the use of guns other than by guns in the hands of law officers?

    I suppose you won't again be bringing up that old canard about the proliferation of guns in the hands of citizens saving lives.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Jun 7, 2014, at 12:31 PM
  • Okies are much like the folks in Arkansas, but a little nicer. Okies mark the sheep that kick. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Jun 8, 2014, at 12:08 AM
  • By the way firethecurrent you are at best comparing apples to oranges with your death from smoking numbers versus death by guns numbers.

    It would only be a valid comparison if most of the deaths by guns were suicidal, as is the case with cigarettes.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Jun 8, 2014, at 12:18 AM
  • The punch line is anonymous and apocryphal, the context is mine. I thought it was funny News so I created a frame of reference for the kicker (pun intended).

    I don't ever claim credit for what is not original material unlike some of the Radical Right from Rand Paul, on down to some of the local commenters of the no information crowd. Plagiarism is a pet peeve of mine.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Jun 8, 2014, at 2:57 AM
  • Just now reading some posts back to 5/23 in polictics, although Free Will discussion might belong more in the Religion section. No, SD and I are not one and the same. I wish I was as smart as SD, OKR, or News. News has a little twisted flare to his logic, but that's probably because he's too smart :-)

    Anyway, the free will (FW) post of SD is interesting, and as usual, any time I start contemplating FW, it gives me a headache. Without FW means that every little atom and molecule and sub particle has bounced around exactly as it should based on the laws of physics and in theory then, every larger object it is part of could also be precisely predicted, even to the electromagnetic pulses that cause our brains to think certain thoughts. All this is predetermined because everything must act in an exact way because of the laws of physics. Even though we don't know ALL the laws, most of us rational individuals understand the truth associated with those laws. So that means that every little atom rotation and molecular interaction in our cosmic soup of possible influence has even led up to my little writing of this post, and your brain's activity and events that led up to you reading this. Those of you who haven't read this post didn't do so because of the same set of sub atomic events that were predictable by net summation (oh, that's right, you aren't reading this :-) Anyway, this is why the thought of FW ends up giving me a headache. The simplest explanation for me to justify FW (something that can't be justified by logic) is that I "feel" to be in control of my thought process and based on all the events, including this discussion thread) I am exposed to, allow me to make rational decisions that can affect my choices (hopefully) in a positive way. Of course, I guess this post was pre-determined :-(

    -- Posted by RationalThinker on Sun, Jun 8, 2014, at 7:44 AM
  • OKR, loved your gun poem on 5/28. Is that an original?

    -- Posted by RationalThinker on Sun, Jun 8, 2014, at 7:44 AM
  • On guns... perhaps should be in political blog. Can't we make it simple? Let's have the right to have one in our home (I don't, but have considered it often), and certainly living in the country would make me want to have a gun; and obviously for hunting. But I certainly would be spooked being anywhere in public with regular citizens display holstered pistols when I know there is a possibility they are not part of our police or military. NO WAY do I want to see that. The potential of crazy police or military is bad enough, let alone the weirdoes I see next to me in public.

    -- Posted by RationalThinker on Sun, Jun 8, 2014, at 7:45 AM
  • On cigs/alcohol killing more people. That is correct, but at least we get to smell a lot more roses on the way to the grave with cigs and alcohol than the fast mortality brought on by a gun. BTW, I don't smoke, but I get pleasure out of the extremely slow death of alcohol :-)

    -- Posted by RationalThinker on Sun, Jun 8, 2014, at 7:45 AM
  • Yup RT all the poems I put on these forums are original. Thanks for the compliment.

    Now back to reading the excellent comments by you guys of this day. It takes away my ire at the once again failed delivery of my Sunday New York Times. I like the smell, crackle and feel of it of a Sunday morning with my coffee, and the cross current of conversation with my live in better.

    They keep sending me all the different ways I may read it online, but never address the frequent failure of that most essential thing keeping newspapers in business, delivery of the darn thing, Shish!

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Jun 8, 2014, at 12:00 PM
  • Considering the discussion of free will; perhaps it will calm our emotions if we realize that the possibility exists that whomever has just stirred our passions is only expressing what must be expressed by that unit (do I dare any longer refer to us as persons, do we matter any more than any other matter).

    Humility to the front, this is a super ego smack down. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Jun 8, 2014, at 1:13 PM
  • What a great weekend for you firethecurrent. It doesn't get much better than that. I fondly recall some hunting trips with my Dad.

    One in particular stands out. When I turned sixteen my Dad and I went to Mendon goose hunting, just the two of us. I got to drive his car, a big deal to me then. He used to put a touch of bourbon in a big thermos of coffee, and he allowed me to share that. I suppose it was a sort of rite of passage. We got one goose, I thought I shot it, but in hindsight I knew that he did.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Jun 9, 2014, at 1:31 PM
  • That provoked other thoughts that I want to share.

    In the late 1950s myself with friends, and other groups of kids as well used to get up early, and go duck hunting on the river before school. We would throw our guns in the trunk, and head back to school. There were guns in cars of students in the student parking lot quite often in hunting season. I do not recall that ever causing a problem.

    Social environments change, and adaptations for the welfare of all must be made. However that does not mean that adaptation of a one size fits all nature for the entire nation is best regarding gun control, or anything else. I would prefer to see a mandate for states, and large metropolitan areas to locally originate forms of gun control that are effective for their individual social environments. What is necessary for the south side of Chicago would not be a fit for rural Missouri, nor Butte Montana. What say you?

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Jun 9, 2014, at 1:56 PM
  • Well said SD.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Jun 10, 2014, at 10:36 AM
  • Hey,Okla! Did you ever do any Junking? We tried that too,but the War took care of that ,because everyone was selling what they could find! It made it hard to find. Scudder's Junk Yard didn't have fencing strong enough to contain some of their Junk,and it would spill out onto the Railroad Tracks and we would pick it up & resell it back to them. Wasn't the most honest thing to do, but we wanted to go see the Three Stooges at the old Mary lo Theater,on North Street.Ten Cents a Ticket!

    -- Posted by Jo on Tue, Jun 10, 2014, at 4:02 PM
  • Sorry, Wrong Forum i guess.

    -- Posted by Jo on Tue, Jun 10, 2014, at 4:06 PM
  • Yep Jo I did the junking too, but in the early 50s. I lived on a farm from fall 1946 until spring 1953, then back to Marshall. Just as you said H. H. Scudder's stuff would spill out beside the tracks.

    Beyond that there was in my time a hole in the fence near the tracks, I think I know who made that hole, and they used to squirm through it, sneak around, grab heavy chunks of scrap metal, back out the hole, around to the entrance, then sell it back to "old man" Scudder. So, what you guys did was down right honest in comparison. ;)

    We used to scoop snow, also clean out garages for folks. Sometimes there was junkable metal that they wanted gone. We would load it in the old Radio Flyer wagon, and drag it down to Scudders.

    Then there were the real jobs, for which I got my social security card at age twelve. De-tasseling corn, and rogueing milo. I still have that old S. S. card with my childish scrawl of a signature. It is sixty two years old.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Jun 10, 2014, at 7:40 PM
  • Yey! That smug S.O.B. Eric Cantor lost! When you see NO respect for the Active President of our Country,you can see how much respect the People will get! I know they are on the other side of the fence,but that is no reason for this? And on the Republican side thats all you see and hear! It happens on both sides but being honest about this thats what see! the ideology of this Government is to enrich themselves and through some crumbs our way?

    -- Posted by Jo on Tue, Jun 10, 2014, at 7:54 PM
  • I ment Throw,sorry! I think i can type and spell at the sametime.

    -- Posted by Jo on Tue, Jun 10, 2014, at 8:00 PM
  • Yes Okla i did all those thing! Good times!

    -- Posted by Jo on Tue, Jun 10, 2014, at 8:03 PM
  • Jo I think that it is great news that Eric Cantor lost his House race in Virginia. It is a rare situation in a major party when a House Majority Leader is even challenged in a primary, to say nothing of trounced.

    The Republican Party screwed up when they adopted the Tea Party. That adoptee has grown into a monster that is devouring the G. O. P. Well nourished by the Koch Brothers, and others who believe the John Birch Society (the Koch's father was a founder) may not be quite far enough to the right, they have muscle.

    They are well on their way to an eventual split between those who simply thrive on greed fed by the largesse of the Corporatocracy, and those who are fundamentalist in all aspects of their lives, eschewing science, and every rational position, preferring to trust their gut, and be slaves to their emotions. the latter is a scary lot.

    Contrary to what many believe I think that the Tea Party will continue to grow for a little while. As more,and more poor, blue collar middle class, and ignorant people's backs are put to the wall they will also strike out from emotion, not reason, finding kindred spirits in the Tea Party.

    Meanwhile the so called corporate wing of the G.O.P. will languish, some surviving by being propped up financially by their corporate masters. The problem for that wing is that there will be no new blood of that nature able to get the votes of an angry Republican primary electorate.

    I do believe that they will diminish as older folks die off so they must hasten to make their mischief while they can. After the die off I hope that the Republican Party will itself die off, hopefully to rise again, perhaps as the New Republicans, with the kind of center right conservatism that was their core in their best years. I also hope that this will give the Democratic Party enough elbow room to move back to their traditional center left position.

    If we can budge off the current center right position as a whole to the center; maybe, just maybe, we can once again have a functional legislative branch for our nation. Maybe some how then, we can even vanquish that monster more threatening than even the Tea Party, corporate control of politics.

    http://news.msn.com/us/house-majority-leader-cantor-defeated-in-primary

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Jun 11, 2014, at 2:07 AM
  • ""This is a miracle from God that just happened," exulted David Brat, an economics professor, as his victory became clear in the congressional district around Virginia's capital city."*

    David Brat (love that name) says that God favored him, but wait a minute, Eric Cantor believes in God too. Why would God favor one of his children over another? Oh that's right Cantor is Jewish, wrong God I reckon in Brat's mind.

    *(quote from link at my previous comment.)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Jun 11, 2014, at 2:30 AM
  • This is a silly remark ,but everytime i see the leadership of the Republican's lined up behind a podium it reminds me of Hitler and his Nazi Henchman in the old Movietone News Reel's! Just a gut feeling.

    -- Posted by Jo on Wed, Jun 11, 2014, at 2:17 PM
  • Down here in Okie land every political ad on television manages to spit out the word Obama as if it is an epithet, or a synonym for repulsive hard waste of the digestive process. The same goes for Obamacare.

    Nearly every one of them states that they will oppose Obama, and ObamaCare, and have the better record of doing so. That is true not only of those running for federal offices, but state offices.

    We just aren't seeing ads for Democratic candidates. That is because if a Democrat has the foolish temerity to even run for an office, there is not a second candidate that foolhardy to cause a primary race.

    Is anything like that going on in Missouri?

    Beware becoming a one party state!

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Jun 12, 2014, at 1:41 PM
  • SD, your remark about these Politicians fulling all this hate. In my opinion! When these Cowardly *******, Morons go to these Schools and kill Little kids,or their own neighbors.How Come they don't think about some of the clowns in Washington that causes all this? Its unbelievable!

    -- Posted by Jo on Thu, Jun 12, 2014, at 8:21 PM
  • Hey News there are a few "good Okies"; here are two of the best at this time. http://www.okobserver.net/about/

    If Woody Guthrie, and Will Rogers were here today they would have a hard time finding a forum.

    I hope all is well with you and yours.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Jun 12, 2014, at 11:11 PM
  • It is too bad that countries don't lose wars like they used to. In the old days, well, take Germany for instance; when a country lost a war it went down in flames. Those who were accused of war crimes were put on trial, and if found guilty were penalized, some paid with their lives.

    We pop over on false pretenses to Vietnam, lose the war. No heads roll, no prison doors slam.

    We concoct falsehoods and invade Iraq, blunder for years, fight on hard then leave a country behind destroyed, and now in the midst of a civil war. We lost the war, did some bad things, but no one has been held accountable.

    It seems we will never learn that when we manufacture lies as reasons for war, and the reasons morph into goals, it is impossible to accomplish them, they don't exist. At that point we lose, the rest is aftermath.

    The commentary at the following link is an excellent bit on Iraq, it and Jo's patriotic demands that heads roll inspired me, and compelled me to this rant tonight. http://www.truth-out.org/buzzflash/commentary/iraq-descends-into-bloody-factiona...

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Jun 14, 2014, at 2:14 AM
  • If there is NO penalties for such blatant lies,(which some were confirmed)There will always be Wars,(in my opinion)! There is NO honor anymore! When you have Leaders such as BUSH & CHENEY,are the most CORRUPT, DISHONORABLE, SLIME THERE HAS EVER BEEN! EVERY TIME I SEE HONORABLE Men & Women being Killed in this big lie,i want to puke! And the 5 or 6 that caused it still alive and kicking! It's not fair that this Country did nothing to make it right to the Families and their Loved one's! Its NO wonder this Country is hated by so many? If i was able and they wanted me to SERVE again,(I WOULD NOT)! I THOUGHT AT THE TIME IT WAS A NOBLE THING TO DO!

    -- Posted by Jo on Sun, Jun 15, 2014, at 4:27 PM
  • SD: im not so sure we have any worse Politicians They are all the same! there is NO individual thinkers any more. Thats how they become Politicians,just go along with the herd! When i hear Obama speak,he has a way of revealing his very sincere feelings,more so than anyone in a long time! And i have seen how a President can be stopped with any good things happening for the People! Actually NO real power at all,unless things are Changed in the procedural process,(THE NONSENSE)???? AND THERE IS A LOT TO CHANGEd!

    -- Posted by Jo on Sun, Jun 15, 2014, at 10:18 PM
  • Cantor's loss to Brat was a result of Brat's right wing populism. Democrat establishment politicians should take heed as they may also fall to populist Democrats.

    Brat hammered hard at establishment policy of rescuing the rich. So should Democrat challengers. http://progressive.org/news/2014/06/187734/cantors-loss-part-backlash-against-ba...

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Jun 18, 2014, at 12:10 AM
  • I believe Brat won because he is one of the few highly educated tea party members with credentials and looks, plus a lot of alumni that has taken his class. And never underestimate the power of personality. He is a rare bird in a Duck Dynasty world, at least, that is what I am hoping. Cantor is also way out there and finally his saying anything to get elected backfired.

    -- Posted by RationalThinker on Wed, Jun 18, 2014, at 8:48 AM
  • RR3,Whats happend to you my friend? Hope you're well!

    -- Posted by Jo on Thu, Jun 19, 2014, at 2:39 PM
  • Where there is a Will there is a way Smart Dog. In this case it seems that George Will has lost his way.

    He had become irrelevant to much of the so called conservative (they conserve nothing) crowd. Such folk have no interest in purported reason and rationality instead reacting with all the trappings of a lynch mob excepting a rope to execute their destructive mission. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Jun 20, 2014, at 11:00 AM
  • Are the cops getting creepy? Whatever happened to Officer Friendly? Do small town police departments really need tanks? Jim Hightower's take on the militarization of civilian police departments. http://www.truth-out.org/buzzflash/commentary/jim-hightower-the-militarization-o...

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Jun 26, 2014, at 12:40 AM
  • Over half the "bee friendly" plants sold at major garden centers have neonicotinoids in them. so you buy some flowers to plant to feed the bees, and instead the flowers kill the bees. Can't we do anything right?

    Click on the link to see which big box stores are culprits, and what to do as an alternative.

    https://www.commondreams.org/headline/2014/06/25-1

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Jun 26, 2014, at 2:55 AM
  • SD: Your comment about on the Prime Minister,is what everyone wants the U.S.to do! They always want us to get our Nose in their Business! I say keep our nose out of all their dam troubles .We have no Dog in any of these fight's Keep out is my motto!

    -- Posted by Jo on Sun, Jun 29, 2014, at 5:26 PM
  • Bill O'reilly made a statement the other nite,about the Money we send other Countries! I agree with him about 1% of the time, on anything! On this i agree 100%! I can see giving Countries Humanitarian Aid, but thats all! To Hell with arming any of them! All they do is wind up in other hands, and are used on us if they get the chance.These Countries (Leaders) has to take care of their own Country. We send all these Heavy Weapons to them and the first Battle they surrender,and give the Weapons to the Enemy! What the hell is that? This Maliki has played us like Fiddle,also Pakistan & Afghanistan! Its time too mind our business!!?? Get the Hell out? It all for Money anyway,and 1 American life is not worth it!

    -- Posted by Jo on Sun, Jun 29, 2014, at 9:33 PM
  • To Missouri voters; if Rex Sinquefield through one of his many front organizations is backing your favorite political candidates you should consider reevaluating your choices. King Rex ain't your friend.

    See why at the link. http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/06/king-rex-sinquefield-108015.html#...

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Jun 30, 2014, at 11:12 PM
  • LOL News. :)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Jul 1, 2014, at 11:42 AM
  • Funny desert, u avoid the issue & blindly vote democrate. If u actually read youd see I said I'm voting against Republican too! To steal a line from CB, u & Joe are sheep of the democrats.

    -- Posted by oldschool17 on Mon, Feb 8, 2016, at 11:44 PM
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