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I save a link to this blog and I always get fooled into posting something only later to find out it was technically closed out because they've posted the new link at the bottom of the Home page. Anyone else have this problem?
I hope you are wrong News. I wish a lot of bad things on the Republicans as they deserve, but certainly not at the expense of the rest of us. Unfortunately, I can't say the same thing about the GOP, as they don't mind taking everything down in an attempt to get their way. They are lucky there is no god, or they'd burn in hell.
I had just read that in the newspaper today or Pop Sci, can't remember. He is going to show his evidence Oct 19, so I'll remain a skeptic until then. Of course I absolutely believe that could be true, but it will take some extremely good evidence to convince those rational Christians (oxymoron?) that their messiah was invented for political gain. Wouldn't it be great if there was definitive evidence? On second thought, those die hard followers don't believe definitive evidence on evolution or global warming, so no way would they ever believe that jebus didn't walk on water or didn't actually exist.
I now have to click on the number of comments at the top to expand them to be able to see them, but that wasn't what I was referring to. I always save the link in my favorites so I can go directly to the blog with a single click. But after 2 or 3 months and they close that link and start a new one, I still go to the old one until I realize nobody is posting except me :-) Then I realize I need to go to the MDN home page and scroll down to click on the new link.
Thanks for that last link News. I watched the hour long video and enjoyed every bit of it. It does give me sorrow to think about all the children that grow up under the abuse of religion's fear mongering. Also, the historical perspective (or lack thereof) of Jesus was fascinating as well.
Based on that video, News, I would have to agree with you. I would be curious to see if there is any acceptable counter evidence of what was presented, as you and most of us know, it is hard to sometimes know if videos have gone thru proper scrutiny. Obviously there will never be anything to prove Jesus was born of a virgin birth, walked on water, and performed miracles against the laws of physics (because it just can't happen), so the only real question here is whether there was a real historical Jesus or not.
So we think we know how Missouri's finest writer, and well known religion cynic got his pen name Mark Twain; not so fast Jethro.
News I don't know how to say this. I will try to break it to you gently. It appears DO, past and present has vanished.
Did I miss something? Will DO have a future here?
News did he jump ship, or did he walk the plank at Captain's orders.
I think it was rule violation. I suppose we could ask Rachel to end speculation.
I for one do not care for insulting posts, which DO did most of the time. I can understand being really peeved at other's posts, but he started being rude and insulting and it caused a natural escalation of rudeness. We are all open to other opinions and enjoy countering those points we disagree with, often to the point of openly insinuating the comment that was made was stupid. Once we go down that road, it escalates quickly, and unfortunately, DO took it over the line first and farthest. From what I have read I am not surprised at all if he was kicked off the site and as much as I back free speech, his banning was deserved. He can probably come back with another Id and if he does, I hope he sticks with arguments and stays away from the insults. No tears shed here.
OKR: "After all, he is actually a pretty bright guy.."
"Bright".. possibly, but those who believe strongly in a multitude of conspiracy theories cause any brightness to be hidden by delusion.
Now back to religion, one area where delusion runs rampant :-)
"Through a series of events that scientists themselves admit was "extremely improbable," a mosquito that feasted on the blood of Eocene animals some 46 million years ago managed to die and become trapped in sediment, but remain in tact, all while carrying a belly full of blood -- its last meal."
This will be hard for cretonists to fatham since it goes against those who literally interpret the bible, believing the earth is only 6,000 years old. I swear it is like living on two different plants, one being the counter to intelligent life. Here is a link to the full and fascinating article:
I had thought the first day DO posted here announcing that he came gunning for me, News, and ND that the only question was how long would it take for him to explode and be blown away.
DO is quite literate. On the other hand he seems obsessive-compulsive to me. He was not satisfied with the obvious western world wide domination by the rich, and had to build in his mind a detailed organizational chart to the very top.
I always meant to say to him, but did not, why don't you realize that those folks are canny and single minded enough to pursue their common goal without having to organize.
Further, it is we, the multitude of little people who must at least loosely organize. To defend ourselves we must, as we generally have disparate purpose, and no other strength than our numbers.
Don't you just love it when nasty people self expose their ugliness and hypocrisy. This time it is the underbelly of Roman Catholicism, their right wing fundementalists. You know, the ones who get amnesia when it comes to Catholic doctrine from Thomas Aquinas forward concerning war. The ones so filled with inner ugliness that they even jump the Pope when he chides their selective love and suddenly cease their incessant quoting of the Papacy. ROTFLMAO
News thank you for your kind comments. Your Dad's reference to the John Birch Society reminded my better half of an old song from 1962. You may be familiar with it, and more likely will be your Dad.
Anyway here it is dedicated to you, and your Pop. I think it is as funny today, and just as fresh as it was then. Only the names have changed.
"Family says Alabama youth pastor impersonated officer as a part of God's 'plan"
Yeah of course, all Christians have the same full authority as police officers do, right?-News Across
I appreciate your inference that a cross is their badge. Such "Christians" should actually adopt a twisted cross, the swastika, for they find auspicious the same things that the Nazis did. It would also fit the (common to several religions) original symbolism of that twisted symbol, auspiciousness.
It would a good way for them to distinguish themselves from those Christians whose faith demands a closer adherence to the tenets established by the actual words attributed to Jesus. ;)
By the way News your link on the Alabama pseudo cop/youth minister wasn't good so I checked this curious story elsewhere. Here is that link if anyone wants to read the story. http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2013/08/youth_pastor_matt_pitt_struggl.html
I think News that they should confine themselves to policing themselves. Also I am not opposed to them judging and sentencing themselves. A daily self scourging with a length of barb wire seems appropriate to me. ;)
News is there a place for Unitarian-Universalists and The Society of Friends within that structure? How about Branch Davidians? The point is that turmoil would continue, unless fringe religions were somehow quarantined.
At least that is the opinion of Missouri's own fringe politician Vicky Hartzler who would no doubt be among the first to endorse your concept.
Here is Ms. Hartzler in her own words. http://www.firedupmissouri.com/content/hartzler
News thanks for my laugh of the night. That was funny. Gotta say though I think you must have some sort of fetish thing going on. Oh well it could be a worse one. ;)
I reckon I am different in that I see nothing attractive about any of the women of the Right. They all just look as crazy as they sound to me. It may be an age thing. The thought occurs to me a lot of women may think that by the time a man is old enough to put up with he has nothing up to put.
Well News, you can thank evolution for bringing you to that paradox :-) However, a whole lot of crazy turns a person ugly for me. I personally don't find either of them attractive before they even start spewing ignorance. Ann Coulter is another crazy that Bill Mahr seems to like (how's that for a paradox) that I don't understand. You wouldn't even want to put her on the "crazy meter" unless you don't mind watching it blow up.
Christians being in total control would be no better than the theocracy of Iran. People who believe the earth is only 6,000 years old and that Jebus is coming back in their life time have no fear of global warming or nuclear annihilation. The Old Testament is very explicit on what amount of compassion to expect from their Christian god... NONE! I bet all those guys at the dinner table of the last supper could genetically be traced back to the first Republicans. Ironically they were following a Democrat :-)
"I bet all those guys at the dinner table of the last supper.... Funny and true for the most part RT.
News, if a relatively unattractive creationist brought out the hound dog in you, then this interviewer of Richard Dawkins might cause a real problem with your "Aussie" wife. Actually, it will probably just fuel the flame and she'll wonder why you just became so frisky :-) This is a short interview with Richard Dawkins that might help turn Billy Graham into an Atheist...
You're ALL Welcome!
A little clarification seems to be in order ...
When RT speaks about the Old Testament and the lack of compassion on behalf of the "Christian" God ... He misses a valuable point ... The key lies in his reference to the "Old Testament God." ... The God of the old testament was a god of judgement - very much so ... Yet He also showed compassion in a variety of situations. ... But the key lies in the fact that believers are now in a new dispensation - a new covenant ... a covenant based on the finished work of Christ ... that includes not just the finished work on the cross, which was the most compassionate act of God toward mankind - ever ... But it includes the power of the resurrection whereby believers are able to live life in a world like the one we live in today without fear of the (Old Testament) judgement of God. ... At least that's how I understand the teaching of the New Testament. ... And yes - in today's society Jesus of Nazareth would be considered a socialist - so if that means he was a democrat - so be it.
This is just posted for informational purposes ... I'm not interested in argument for argument's sake ... Just thought the correct information should be out there as well as the half-truths and misnomers generally posted here by unbelievers.
and peace be with each of you ...
And news -
Where did you get the scenario about Christian government ... I could have laughed my rear-end off ... Except it sounded a lot like historical accounts of the lives lived by the Israelites (guest workers) during their captivity in Egypt under the Pharoahs.
Just sayin' ...
Welcome back GB. Diverse voices are necessary to stimulate better discussion.
Do you not agree that Christianity is often co opted by charlatans who do so to capture the interest of the masses and lead them to accept nefarious purpose?
Hitler did intertwine Christianity and his mad designs specifically using the Jewish people as a foil to further his cause. I find nothing funny, nor laughable about that.
Of course that is nothing more than this old man's opinion unless I elaborate, but then I have already done that in the course of this thread as has News Across. Would you care to elaborate as to why you find that point of view ridiculous to the point it brought you to laughter? Perhaps I am missing something.
Oh yes, one other thing GB in regard to yours of 10:33 today. Speaking from a view that some would call atheistic I do find the purported words, and described actions of Jesus illustrative, and illuminating. I wonder whether, or not Christians find the same in atheistic writings. Is that so, or not for you?
OKR - Thanks for the welcome ... As far as atheistic writers are concerned, I have to admit I haven't read much of their work. I do think, however, that anything that varies from that which we may or may not believe is of value in that it makes us ask ourselves why we believe what we believe or vice-versa. ... For instance, the quote from Stephen Roberts shown listed below should make the Christian ask himself why he believes in only one god when so many people believe in numerous gods - or no god at all. ... That, my friend, is of great value.
"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours"
-- Stephen Roberts
OKR - You obviously missed the "tongue-in-cheek" value of my reference to laughter in my 10:33 piece. ... All of it - Hitler using Christianity to further his cause, the Egyptians living high on the backs of forced labor of others (Jews and others), etc., is nothing to laugh about. ... But when we transfer the sometimes wrathful nature of the God of the Old Testament into the present dispensation of Grace that began with Jesus of Nazareth, we have miss something.
Thanks for the comeback GB. I have generally enjoyed you comments, and thought I was probably missing something. I hope you hang around and post more often.
I was hoping and am beginning to believe that these blogs would take a more civil turn with DO's demise. I had long thought that his primary goal was to stir dissension and negative emotions. Such is contagious, and I believe that I along with some others fell into his trap from time to time.
I hope that some other posters will also return now and we can all enjoy a resurgence of civility as well as increased sharing of disparate views.
I guess this is also a good time to apologize to others that I may have offended by being too dismissive, even snarky in retort. :)
By the way that does not mean that we should cease discussing flaws in each others posts. We all have an opportunity to grow intellectually from such exposure.
"I do think, however, that anything that varies from that which we may or may not believe is of value in that it makes us ask ourselves why we believe what we believe or vice-versa"-GB
I'm with you on that GB, which brings me back to my previous post. These blogs offer just that. They have the potential to offer even more of it. I fervently hope that we who are regularly posting can develop a habitual civility that is inviting to past posters, those who read but don't post, as well as new readers who have just discovered these blogs and are considering posting.
There is one other thing that I believe deserves thought from many of us. That is gender bias. I have read comments by several female posters expressing that they are put off by testosterone driven remarks. Thus the absence of women is a message from them, "no thank you".
Guys I gotta tell you, most of the time a lot of us don't even know we are in that mode. It is a part of our nature, and you better believe women know that, and for the most part tolerate it. I think that mostly they are looking for no more than an expression of awareness from us which hopefully will result in gender neutral forms and topics of discussion. When we are absent representatives from half of our society we are only half what we could be.
Yup, I have likely opened a can of worms. How about we ALL discuss it? :)
There is an old Irish saying (I paraphrase) diplomacy is the art of telling someone to go to hell in a way that they will look forward to the trip. Maybe we should consider that before responding to postings that raise our ire, whether they are in our opinion; stupid, illogical, or even nasty. ;)
Welcome back Empress. :)
I believe that given opportunity and incentive we all may plumb our depths, and reach new heights, achieving the full range of potential individually and as a group.
OKR, what are you smok'n.... pass it around :-) Actually, you made very good points about testosterone influence. As I've said, on the political side anyway, our world needs a lot more women in government to help get the testosterone driven decisions throttled down a lot. However, they have their extremes as well, just look at Bachmann, Palin, Ann Coulter, and the list goes on. In general, I believe you have a much higher chance of reaching fair compromise if you had nothing but women in a room making the decisions. Perhaps the same thing could be said about gays as well? It seems the underlying problematic hormone here is testosterone. There may also be a link with testosterone and right wing religions, in that the leaders of virtually all cults and mega churches as far as I know are all male dominated.
Love this... 5 reasons why I hate religion:
...and 6 reasons why I've been smitten by Jaclyn Glenn :-)
News, this short video she made on Obama Care will be right up your alley. Don't let the title or profanity dissuade any of you from not fully listening to what Jaclyn has to say on the subject. She really dices the major issues down to the basics. And the surprise for me toward the end is to hear what profession she has chosen and how she feels about potentially making less money because of Obama Care.
"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." That my friends is a dangerous maxim. Suppose that one is masochistic and has an intense desire to be scourged by others. You can see where that goes. ;)
"Harm none" is a more benign maxim, necessitating thoughtful consideration before acting.
"Suppose that one is masochistic and has an intense desire to be scourged by others. You can see where that goes"
I think you are not completely serious, but it is somewhat thought provoking and certainly related to personal morality. I think the "treat others as you would expect to be treated" maxim is based on what most of us call "normal" expectations, not masochistic behavior being a norm. Perhaps the negative form of the Golden Rule (aka Silver Rule) solves your paradox: "One should not treat others in ways that one would not like to be treated"?
Hey RT! Yep, half serious. A part of my point is that we all interpret, and utilize maxims for our own purposes. Even "Harm None." is subject to an individual's concept of what is harm. It is no wonder that Christians who diligently study the bible act in such diverse manners.
Those (Christian or otherwise) who are smugly arrogant that they and like thinkers are the only ones with the only correct understanding of things are the most perturbing to me. I think that humility is an attitude that fosters strength, but that is just my imperfect opinion. ;)
RT I just watched your link "five reasons". I had not before I commented today. Am I omniscient? ;)
Hey news - Please note that I did not reference Israel under Roman rule - during the pax romana - but did make reference to Israel in bandage under the Pharoahs in Egypt.
Have a great day!
Sorry bout that - BONDAGE - not bandage ...
I only come here about every 2 weeks now, but I saw this, and had to comment:
"Guys I gotta tell you, most of the time a lot of us don't even know we are in that mode. It is a part of our nature, and you better believe women know that, and for the most part tolerate it. I think that mostly they are looking for no more than an expression of awareness from us which hopefully will result in gender neutral forms and topics of discussion. When we are absent representatives from half of our society we are only half what we could be."
Could it be that they are working too hard to spend any time here?
Well said IT. I always enjoy a valid point reinforced as a quip. :)
I saw that story News on the "Daily Oklahoman" web site. Here is my take. I found it a sad story. That poor fellow is obviously and extremely deranged. I hope that this unfortunate human will now get the help he so desperately needs.
The secondary tragedy is that I doubt he will considering that mental health services here are underfunded and overwhelmed. It is most likely that he will be thrown into prison which has become the bedlam like repository for the majority of our mentally ill; out of sight, out of mind.
I beg your pardon News I believe I actually saw that story on our local what passes for evening news. I like to check the weather forecast which is the last bastion of real news reporting on local television. In the process I am at times exposed to the swill that they are feeding the masses.
This story was probably the most lurid opportunity they have had in some time. It appeared to me that the news reader salivated when telling us that the victim had ripped the taser barbs from his flesh as the police attempted to subdue him.
Not for a minute News did I think you were making light of mental illness. Just sharing my reaction to it. I will say though that there are those situations where to laugh is just a response to avoid crying. That poor fellow has obviously been mentally ill for years, and is likely schizophrenic among other disabilities that he may suffer. In Oklahoma the best we can do is lock 'em up when we can no longer ignore them.
I must also say in defense of the police and the justice system that it is unfair to them for our state to have thrust responsibility for the mentally ill upon them. I see nothing happening here to change that situation.
My primary remaining hope is that this state having become la la land for the Tea Party will have such a disastrous outcome that the rest of the states will wake up and run like hell from it before they sink to the same abysmal circumstance.
Once again - news - I said nothing about first century Jerusalem ... You probably mistook "Pharoahs" for "Pharisees." ... It's an honest mistake for those who would be honest.
As usual - "So let it be written - so let it be done" ...
Carolina Christian soup kitchen bans atheist volunteers who offer to assist. WWJD? I think he (if he existed) would have done what the atheists chose to do after being rejected. I think this demands a tsk, tsk toward Christian hypocrites who unfortunately infest the faith.
This guy is about as whacked out as they get. I can't believe he feels the need to display them around schools, or anywhere for that matter. It's another attempt to force their religious views down the throats of everyone else. When will they ever get it? We are not FOR abortion! We are for the right of women to make that choice. If he really wants to do something positive, he could spend time, effort, and money improving the quality of life for young children born into a life of poverty and misery. This is yet again proof that religion poisons everything!
"Northwest Christian University's student body president comes out as atheist"
The irony is that those "believers" who ridicule someone who cannot possibly come to believe in something their entire intellect tells them does not make any rational sense whatsoever, are exactly the ones that should have their belief in supernatural beings come under real scrutiny. When will we stop as a society letting these idiots ridicule us for being RATIONAL?
Interesting comments at the bottom of the link RT.
Gotta say RT that many of the ones who overtly ridicule atheists also ridicule many other groups that they find unusual, strange, or alien to their concepts. We are in the company of a broad spectrum of folks, from GLBTs, to intellectuals, people of color, the people of some other nations, even "that feller who jus' looks weird".
OKR, that is spot on! It shows that "free and rational" thinkers (progressives may be the larger category) are the "all inclusive" group. Once religious people become the small minority they deserve to be, perhaps we can then make significant social headway as the dominant species on this planet. For now, we are being held back by near crazy religious groups.
GW was just a good ol'boy President, too stupid to be in control (actually Cheney was pulling the strings). I don't believe for a minute, however, that he was that religious or that stupid to purposely promote the rapture. As much as I really enjoy TRMS, that is way too conspiracy theory stuff for me. That being said, we are probably very lucky we escaped his presidency with only our economy in a shambles and a tattered world image. He was just a preview of what could happen if we let the Christians have the reigns.
The God Panel.. this is funny as well as thought provoking. One of the most entertaining hours I've had in a long time that also involved some "thinking"....
Hmmm? Something more to ponder when we think of why we humans do as we do.
OKR, very interesting article on the Neanderthal gene sharing connection. I can't wait to hear more related to this article, but I suspect the guy who wrote it took great liberties in describing the Neanderthals risk/thrill seeking characteristics. I'd like to hear more about this DRD4 7R gene he is claiming came from Neanderthals 37k years ago too. Again, very entertaining read if you are not a CREaTiONist. Thanks for posting that link.
The mixing of genes between modern humans and Neanderthals is extremely likely in my mind, as I'm sure that if cross species gene sharing were possible, we'd also contain genetic characteristics of sheep and/or camels :-)
News, yes, I understand that Bush had the final say on policy, and that his religious beliefs are exactly what we should all be afraid of for someone who has command of "the button". I don't think there is any dispute about Cheney having a major influence on Bush's actions throughout most of his terms. That's quite a scary combination, with one being a religious wonker believing the end of days is near, while the other one being an extremely Neocon, wanting to dominate the planet militarily. Together they not only just about destroyed our economy, but also much of our respect around the globe. Iran is a great example of what happens when you mix religion with government. Perhaps we were lucky to have escaped the Bush era with only the devastation of economy and world respect?
RT I have read several articles recently regarding Neanderthals. There remains considerable dispute as to who they were, why they are gone, and their genetic effects on homo sapiens.
I haven't seen anything on the following beyond that the N are the source of our red hair. Red hair is supposedly becoming extinct. Does that foretell that in time the N genes will also disappear, or are different processes at play? I'm not well versed in the field, thus I am ignorant.
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