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One might say that the Republicans have painted themselves into a corner and are sitting there with arms folded across the chest and averted gaze until the paint dries. It is the only way that they can slip away without leaving the tracks of their foolishness, and stupidity all over the place.
That is unless again Obama in some way unneccessarily expresses his compulsion for comity and screws the whole thing up. The most important thing he can do, must do, is push down this rebellion. It is a bad change in procedure to allow it, and it will muck up government henceforth no matter whether a Democratic or Republican Administration.
"Boehner, Obama, and the Triple Dog Dare" -William Rivers Pitt
Reality check for the left. An interesting perspective by David Sirota.
The preceding link is also a reality check for the right. After you have read this perspective can you be certain that the Republican Party is the vehicle that will bring the changes you want?
It may be that the current and trending state of government will bring none of us what we want.
Here is the link again so that you won't even have to scroll down. :)
News, thanks for that link. Weiner wasn't such a wiener, I'd like him more. He killed Hanity.
"6 Ways Neoliberal Education Reform May Be Destroying a College Near You."
Are we talkin' General Buck Turgidson and General Jack D. Ripper here? (Dr. Strangelove)
Check the link, kinda creepy. http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/11/20922413-air-force-general-in-charge-...
Ya got that right News. Too bad (not) that the jerks have screwed up so bad this time that even undereducated, over propagandized masses can see it.
In my opinion the little Bush was the worst President in our country's history. Obama? Meh. Not that I don't agree with your point.
He has faced stronger resistance than most Presidents have. Despite the right wing screams to the contrary much of the resistance has been fueled by racism. Why else would the major portion of the condemnation be from the neoconfederate states?The South HAS risen again in all its ugliness.
"Of Civil War" was well written, and a good read.
I see that Ted Cruz was the big winner of a straw poll among the craziest of the far right crazies. http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/12/20936417-cruz-the-overwhelming-f...
I appreciate that it is only my subject opinion that Cruz has an appearance that would play well as the insane killer in a B movie. To me he is one creepy appearing dude.
I can see Cruz and Michelle Bachmann as a couple who run a bed and breakfast at the end of an isolated road where the patrons don't ask what's for breakfast instead become what's for breakfast. Come to think of it that is a nice analogy for what would happen if they teamed as the Repub candidates in 2014, some how happening to win. ;)
News have you considered that they may all be out in the middle of an evil forest somewhere, prancing around a giant bonfire semi-naked as Wagner blares from huge speakers. The sweat pours from every pore as they scream out from time to time in a mostly unintelligible fashion. Occasionally one may make out a word, or two; "God", "welfare cheats", and such. ;)
Visualize that as you listen at the link.
Reflecting back News I think that changes in media, and changes in machine politics have had a lot of effect on comity, and quality of those elected to serve in Washington, and to a lesser degree in state, and some local positions.
Exposure of politicians back then was firstly limited to radio, and then pioneer, or rudimentary television.
Advertising was simple and forthright utilizing such things as a celebrity standing beside a refrigerator endorsing it. There were few endlessly repeated ads with simple slogans, sophisticated visuals, and catch phrases to brainwash the folks.
News was news, and about the nuts and bolts of our country without emphasis on what would visually thrill, tantalize, or scare the viewing audience. It did not often deal in the indiscretions of office holders, pretty much reporting on positions. I think all that was only because it was a developing media. To say it another way, the ignorance of youth. After all newspapers who had two hundred years of political experience were already nasty, and slanted.
Machine politics dictated who became a party's rising stars. Each party was an old boys club, and smoke filled rooms were where candidates were promoted, and selected. They had to pass a go along test. As they continued to rise go along to get along became a mindset that even carried across the aisle, thus things did get done.
Now some individual who has a very rich backer can thumb the nose at party political machines, go directly to the media, buying electing exposure. These politicians ignore going along with the political party to get along, instead choosing to do so with their benefactor. Thus we have a lot of princes of power with surrogates in congress whose primary interst is that of his maker. We the people have very few of our own.
That's not all of it obviously, but it is some of it.
Oh yea News though unlikely, it is possible that it is finally dawning on them that Obama is no liberal so they are pausing to form new strategy.
A liberal would not have chosen the words that Obama chose as reported at this link. http://laborpains.org/2013/10/04/breaking-news-obama-says-all-striking-union-mem...
OKR: "Despite the right wing screams to the contrary much of the resistance has been fueled by racism"
You've got that right OKR. One possible good thing from this is that I believe often is the case that, like a wound, sometimes the festering must happen before the healing. Like many other social issues plaguing our nation, there is a pendulum effect of back and forth as through time things can improve by oscillating between good and bad forces. The Obama Presidency is just one more major step toward a long road to healing that bigots and racists must go thru. He is not above criticism, but it is quite obvious many of his critics have no grounds that make any sense other than basic racism. That is why milestones like the first black President are so important, as it brings out the ugliness of individuals we thought were behind us, and gives the opportunity for our youth and future generations a chance to see a historical perspective of how ignorance is propagated. Each successive generation so far has become more liberated from the ignorance and bias of their parents. Not all, but the trend is that larger numbers become more enlightened than their parents. It is not unlike the slow process of evolution.
Glad you made your Sunday appearance RT. Somebody take SD a quart of strong coffee next Sunday morning. ND it would also be nice to have your harmonious and wise presence of a Sunday morning.
Indulge me I'm old. I put you guys before my delivered Sunday NYT. :)
You too News. I didn't mention you because it is often the case that we have just discussed things half the stateside night.
Yep there is a bunch of 'em I'd like to hear more from; GB, rr3, DO, countryman, just to name a few.
Did you hear that the Redskins have finally given in and are going to change their offensive name? They are going to remove the word "Washington" because it's too embarrassing.
A "friend" posted that on Facebook last night and I had to share.
News: "But I want ya to know, I for one will really miss your comments mate."
Not sure why, unless you like being openly insulted and reading insults he made to others. The rare and occasional semi-rational argument was not worth the attacks. Be honest, we don't need any of that from any political spectrum. Perhaps it will benefit the discussion to have the tone more respectful. Now I better go review some of my posts to see how often I might have stepped over the line :-)
Quite familiar with Markwayne my friend. He is definitely an Apple*, one that fell off the right side of the tree, rolled all the way down hill to the bottom. He lays there with the rest of such culls, so sour and rotten that they make vinegar seem like honey.
He is the most extreme of the most extreme set of Representatives any of the States sent to Congress.
The best of the lot is Tom Cole who is something of an old style Republican, who happens to be a proud member of the Chickasaw Tribe.
*Apple: Native American slang for a Native American who is red on the outside and white on the inside.
RE: Rope Essay. Good stuff. :)
Hey I'm done with it buddy. See my last comment on the original speak out.
Rest assured my point was not to attack you, in fact it was just the opposite. :)
I have long thought that only a person of character who is secure in their overall beliefs has the ability to admit they are wrong about anything.
By the way News when was the last time you heard anyone on the Right admit they were wrong about anything? ;)
My last comment did not encompass those few who bungle their way through life saying I'm sorry at every turn, and those who believe a cheap "sorry" allows them to escape censure for repeated egregious behavior.
Friends stick together even when it gets sticky. Which is not to say I have not failed to do enough from time, to time. A relatively recent discussion with Slater comes to mind.
Enjoy your break News. :)
Good one SD! Yep that's Smokelahoma alright. The wind that blows across these plains is only about fifty percent a product of Mother Nature.
News time flies when you get old. If you had not pushed the point I would not have known that you really had not been gone two weeks already. Good to have you back from your experiment in time warping. ;)
Sorry News. Too bad that Uncle Sam's pain in the butt, The Tea Party, can't be as easily removed.
"The Ocean is broken." This story depressed me, doubly so because only a few will hear it.
That's why I posted it on the original Speak Out. At least there it gets a little more exposure.
It is insane, but there are those that will read it and rejoice because it is another sign of the end times when they will all be transported far beyond the dying sea.
Well there is one big difference News between your horrible problem in Oz and the zany ones. They are all smoke and smoke with a putrid odor at that.
News I have come to believe that the masses as a whole have little affinity or ability for deep thought. Thus when times get tough they are looking for a simple answer to their problems.
Due to the harsh terms of surrender after WWI Germany was flat on its back, and the people were desperate. Thus they searched for a Messiah. Where there is a Christian or other majority religious tradition they turn to that first. They find there is no material relief from that quarter thus they turn to a source that incorporates the prevailing religious indoctrination with a simple political message that is easily grasped. Presto you have a canny charismatic Hitler who runs with the habitual gullibility established by religion.
The Tea Party here has done the same thing. It has not established the mass appeal that appeared in Germany, yet. That is because things have not yet gotten as bad as they were in Germany back then, and because the Tea Party has not yet established a single champion equal to Hitler. If things continue to go south economically for most folks which is likely, and if a charismatic leader rises from the Tea Party pack watch out!
There is another thing that we have in place now that is in common with early twentieth Germany. That is a minority to blame, to hate, and to mistreat. We have not so far descended in our hatred based treatment of black folk as far as Germany did its Jewish minority, however it is picking up steam, and will continue to do so given the previously mentioned trends.
There is another parallel though not an exact one. Germany was defeated, and subjugated by WWI, spending the majority of the nation's treasure in the process. We have been in a series of wars starting with Viet Nam, and continuing with Iraq, and still Afghanistan in which not a single originally announced major goal has been accomplished. We too have depleted our nation's treasure in the process.
But wait, there's more. Germany redirected their best scientific minds to developing never before heard of horrible weapons. They were close to an atomic bomb when ironically we stole their scientists and did it ourselves. We are continuing to do the same with drones being just one current example. Another is continuing research and development of new nuclear weapons. A part of that process in both countries fostered a dependency on a military-industrial complex that can not be stopped with out unacceptable economic consequences. We are too entangled to end it, thus it continues to grow like an eventually fatal cancer on our society.
As a whole we are no better than the German folk were. Given the similar circumstances we are becoming just as vulnerable as the German people were. The rest of the world should be trembling in fear at the direction we are heading, as should the minority of our own citizens that can see the forest despite the trees.
"The Furies Never End" by Frank Rich my all time favorite columnist. This is a good one folks.
You can debunk it all day, but you can't stop the Republicans from repeating it. They rationalize, they close their eyes, as if they may make it true by making it an oft repeated magical mantra; 47% 47% 47% 47% 47%.
The Tea Party basic principal appears to be from a feeling (like the original Tea Party) that they are being taxed without representation. To some degree, everyone might feel that way if each individual gets to choose how that money is spent. However, they are not the repressed group they think they are. They do have representation, and if they don't like it, they can splinter off from the Republican Party and form their own representative group to try and perform more explicitly the way they want them to. So, what I am saying is that they are all a big bunch of babies not liking the way the majority of our society has chosen via our current representatives. I didn't like it either when GW took us to war, acted totally fiscally irresponsible, and gave giant contracts to his buddies, but I didn't leave the country or threaten to succeed because my choice of representatives were not in power. Their temper tantrum has splintered their odd-ball group to where they may not have a chance to gain national power for years to come. The basic tenant of being fiscally responsible (a good one) has long been gone and replaced by social conservatism fed by religious nuts. The majority may never be socially conservative ever again, and I for one am happy about that.
The Tea Party is operating way outside what it started as:
"Rick Scarborough, Tea Party Leader, Suggests Class Action Lawsuit Against Homosexuality"
Now what does this have to do with fiscal responsibility? This is why they will remain a fringe political force, and nothing more.
Well said News!
"socialism does not utilize the threat of starvation as a motivator.."
Great point News. The far right believes most people getting any government support are free loaders, and the far left believe hardly anybody are free loaders. I don't think the answer is directly in the middle, but I do believe there are significant numbers that are not motivated to "pull their own weight" when they are capable of doing so. That being said, I believe we need to insure that capitalism also does not use the threat of starvation either. Terminating food stamp programs IS not just the threat of starvation, it will definitely increase starvation. The threat of not providing health care is equally cruel, and in some cases even more so. Literally thousands every year die because by the time they show severe enough symptoms to force them to the humility of an emergency room, it is too late. Women who undergo yearly preventative mammograms and men who are screened for prostate cancer yearly often survive because they are able to see a healthcare professional for preventative care, not emergency care when a cancer has reached stage 5. However, capitalism can be fair if we are willing to insure that the rich make up the difference with extra taxation to cover the basic needs of the poor, while the middle class and rich are taxed sufficiently to pay for infrastructure, services, and oversight to prevent atrocities brought on by overzealous capital ventures. I yield to those with strong economic backgrounds, but still believe that controlled and compassionate regulating of capitalism is the model we need our government to oversee.
"Everyone contributes -- everyone benefits"
You'll have to be patient. I'm open to learning some basics, and so far your explanations have been very good, so bear with me. How does a "scientific and democratic approach" (SDA) reward the hard workers more as well as allow for true innovators to possibly be rewarded at a higher level. Where's the incentives? What prevents the "slackers" from "slacking"?
Interesting personal anecdote News. Thanks for sharing. By the way I believe our wives would hit it off, just as we have. We have had only one political disagreement in as long as I can remember. I almost feel sorry that I was right. ;)
I was joking about being right News. After a couple of days of discussion, and each of us writing essays on the topic we had to agree to disagree.
So they are as bungling as our FBI? Surely not an ominous cartoon character like Hoover though? (Sorry Jo that is one you and I will have to agree to disagree).
By the way I hope Jo is doing O. K. Check in old buddy if you can.
I think that may be a world wide phenom News. Am I being passive-aggressive chauvinistic when I say that? Was I trivializing women when I said the last sentence? OMG it is all too much. Is there no end? ;)
A real knee slapper. Guaranteed to make you laugh out loud and lighten up. http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Little+Brown+Jug+2012&Form=VQFRVP#view=detai...
Just poking fun at myself News. :)
Guns. We need more guns. :)
Guns, the logical answer to over population. Especially effective at removing little ones before they can reproduce. :(
Funny News. It borders on sick humor though not as twisted as naming one's children Auschwitz and Buchenwald in honor of Jewish people lost in the holocaust, which would be another way of harming people of the present to excoriate past transgressors. ;)
I am assuming that you were being satirical considering your deep awareness of white America's activities against your mother's people.
Actually I am not that outraged by our technologically based spying on other nations. It is nothing more than the modern extension of what has always transpired between nations.
Who knows what other nations are doing? All nations are foolish to not assume the worst of others, and should proactively utilize all practical measures to block such efforts; both known and unknown. Spies, court intrigue, and such has always been a part of the process even between allies.
The day is fast approaching when the only assured private communication will be between two people isolated from all others who write little messages on shielded paper then pass it to the other party's cupped hand. The other party then reads it, passes it back to the originator who shreds it and eats it. Rice paper any one? ;)
Even then the consideration of trust will at times cause nightmares, as it always has.
Speaking of white American attempts to eradicate America's indigenous people you said "but the crimes of the fathers were the fathers,". That is also true of the German people. Any German folk who had anything to do with WWI are long dead, and almost everyone who had anything to do with WWII is also dead.
Several generations of Germans who had nothing to do with it are now the citizens of Germany. It is those very people who have resisted OUR actions as we caused the deaths of millions of brown skinned people and destroyed the infrastructure of their nations. It is likely that the world as a whole does not share your opinion that the German people are a greater threat than America.
You are pulling my leg right, or are you opting to apply a differing standard to past Germans, than to the consistent egregious behavior of white Americans against people of color at home and abroad?
Yes, Native Americans did fight against the Germans, so did African Americans before each of those minorities was sent home to their respective ghettos. They also fought in Viet Nam, Iraq, Afghanistan, and a host of other places to build and reinforce our empire.
I think it is a slippery slope to attempt to defend one party over another because the millions killed were murdered by one method instead of another. Is it really more horrifying to observe people dying in gas chambers than to observe children burned alive by napalm? I think not. Ultimately innocent dead are innocent dead, and they can not speak to finer points of why.
Just to get on the record; I too, am OK with spying on other countries. Of course, it must be done within the precepts of national security as anything else would be considered prurient.
There is too much at stake in the world to not know what others are up to.
Even countries that are friendly to us know that there is some sort of spying going on, as their spies have assuredly reported this to their own leaders.
Those that do not believe that this is going on will undoubtedly condemn it, and yet, they would be the first to complain should something like 9/11 happen again. Even truer, if it were because of undue diligence on our part to not protect ourselves.
As Halloween approaches thoughts on that subject come a calling, come a creeping into my head, where they mix with ever present politics. Here are some things that came out of it.
Wearing a Ted Cruz mask is the only way you can get a treat on Halloween at Christian fundamentalist households when knocking on the door. It is likely they will give you all the money they have.
In some states the only night you can get an unimpeded abortion is on Halloween. You have to put spooky stuff around and let little kids watch. That way folks will think it is just a right wing Halloween House of Horrors.
If you wear a George Zimmerman mask in racist communities you can run down the street, steal all the little black kids' candy and get away with it.
Girlfriends going together to an adult Halloween party should wear Bachman, Coulter, and Palin costumes. They may then all get blown away stupid drunk, and run their mouths. Folks will just think they are doing a hell of a job of staying in character.
Yup News! I'm thinking it is a weird twist of the Stockholm syndrome on a massive scale. ;)
The entire world has become a gigantic eye
with invisible nerves running across the sky.
The nerves each connect at a different place
so that all have a view of the big rat race.
The world has also become a gigantic ear
so we all can hear all the sounds we fear.
It will no longer do to tell the world a lie
because the entire world has become spy.
So far he looks like a nutcase to me News, and yes a right wing one. Maybe he was sniffing the same dull red paint as Tim McVeigh, perhaps a little more than McVeigh as he was apparently not capable of much more than running amok.
Whoa! I left out the next to last word of the poem, should of been an "a" there. Late night lack of concentration, sorry.
News don't you think Rant Paul is making a big mistake erasing evidence of plagiarism from his website?
It is highly likely it will offend his followers. He has such a small base, and most of them love to cut and paste others words without any acknowledgement as to the source. DO did it all the time and his arrogance prohibited even the hint of a mea culpa.
Actually I don't think they care what the source is anymore than they care about its veracity. They just spew it by rote because to them it sounds good and feels good. ;)
News I agree the guy should resign if the crack cocaine use was effecting his judgment. I don't think it has anything to do with the Tea Party. After all JFK who was in my gullible youth an idol of mine was a hard core drug addict.
"Uh actually he follows tea party ideals and is the Canadian version of a tea party crazy. I recommend you have a look at his policies and see for yourself."-News
Duh. What does that have to do with anything I said? I know he is a typical Tea Partier. Read my post again News.
I'm done, last word is yours.
Great music News. :)
Jennifer Aniston bobbed her hair. Jennifer Aniston bobbed her hair!
Whoever thought she could go there, whoever thought would go there?
Some things are so inviolate and so never to be done.
This horror, this travesty, this outrage, must surely be one.
Go to Mt. Rushmore, chisel Lincoln's beard until his chin is bare,
even Washington's locks we totally don't have to spare,
about Jennifer's tresses, television confesses, we really care.
The superficial TV shows are all a buzz because Ms. Aniston who has long been known for her long beautiful tresses, has slashed her hair into a short bob.
The Mt. Rushmore bit is satire insinuating that most folks care more about superficial things than the constant chiseling away at our nation's tradition. There is a little more to it, but it would take a lot of time to explain. That is the basic bit.
OKR: "The superficial TV shows are all a buzz because Ms. Aniston who has long been known for her long beautiful tresses, has slashed her hair into a short bob."
Sometimes "superficial" works for me :-)
SO how can Obamacare be said to be written by conservatives when it was passed with no impute by conservatives?? I hate to tell you guys but when a party has all the power which the liberals did this is what you get a poor law.
Good to see you back Jason. I hope the kids are well. :)
Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi, the Right was wrong again. Is it any wonder that they stumble ever more frequently? They have shot themselves in the foot so often that it is staggering. ;)
Citigroup lobbyists literally write new law to weaken Dodd-Frank Law that regulates mega-banks. That's not the worst part, it passed the House of Representatives with bipartisan support.
We must throw the rascals of both parties out until we finally elect some who represent we the people, not corporations.
The basic funding of the ACA was certainly originated by conservatives. That is, force younger people to buy health insurance, which will increase the pool of money as well as insure millions of more individuals. News, although I agree that what is needed is the single payer option, what we have with the ACA does insure millions that were not insured before, as well as great features like not turning individuals down or charging more for pre-existing conditions (and more). It is BETTER than what we had. However, the conservatives cannot back it for one obvious reason, and that is that it is heavily subsidized for lower income people. So, when the left (I am for the most part very left) accuses conservatives of not backing their own idea, that is probably not fair because their intent was to make everybody pay, since they hate government subsidies of any kind way more than they like making the poor pay (what they call) their fair share. So, as usual, the argument comes down to just how much can we agree should come out of the coffers of the rich and middle class to compensate for the poor. That is our fundamental difference the left and right will always be fighting about. As long as the rich feel they are paying way more than their fair share, and the left feels an ever increasing number of those below or near the poverty line should pay little or nothing, the battles will continue. And as the middle gets squeezed ever smaller (the fault of which a lot more political discussion can evolve), the only money available to aid those in poverty must continue to be extracted from the wealthy, who will fight to the death to keep their burden from increasing. I think it is easy and understandable to see why we are so polarized today. I just don't see an end in sight to the extreme polarization.
I currently receive great healthcare benefits. I see some of the finest doctors, I get in relatively quick, and real fast if it is urgent. My entire family has enjoyed some of the best healthcare over the years with no extravagant costs. But that has and is changing fast. With no changes at all, we know healthcare costs will continue to skyrocket and the gap between those who have it and those who don't will continue to grow. However, If we allow 50 million people (not sure what the number really is) into our health care system, we also know there is going to be a major stress to the system that will translate to longer wait periods, less access to the better doctors, and lots more tax on middle and upper incomes to pay for a single payer system. We all know that the bigger an entity is, the more overhead there is to make it work, and those entities can become super inefficient. However, the fact remains that we have literally thousands of our own citizens lose their life every year because of diseases they only know about after it is too late to cure. The latter is a moral atrocity that those of us on the left understand is not acceptable, even if it means we give up the luxury of having the great healthcare we currently have so that all our fellow citizens can at least have some form of adequate healthcare before they become life threatening or debilitating. There is a real argument to be made that the healthcare system for those in the vast majority of the middle will become pure garbage. So the altruistic idea of giving up some of an individual's excellent healthcare so that "the many" may benefit meets the reality of potentially screwing it up for almost everyone. Few want to take the chance of giving up such an important thing as healthcare when there is also a risk of destroying it for everyone. They don't think it is worth the chance. I think that sums up pretty much why any effort to change what we have is meeting such strong resistance, and I fully understand that. For me however, the moral issue outweighs my fear of losing what I have. The AFA is a small step (albeit a major change) in the right moral direction, but everyone needs to understand that although this small step will have many startup issues, the moral thing to do is to take that step and address all problems as quickly as possible. Considering the natural ineptitude of large government (or large businesses for that matter), we are in for a rough few years at least. If government can show they can correct the major issues that arise in the AFA, we will need to take the next moral high road step to a single payer system, and that fight will be even bigger.
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