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  • Just stopped by to say "hi."

    -- Posted by E.C. on Mon, Sep 9, 2013, at 11:03 AM
  • Hello E.C. old buddy ... And everyone else for that matter ...

    shep

    -- Posted by shep on Mon, Sep 9, 2013, at 1:44 PM
  • Aren't People tired of our leaders trying to override Nixon's Veto and letting the rich get richer? What will it take for the People to see the rich are running things and speak out? It's not so unbelievable, that one day our Children and Grandkids will be Fighting in the street's, like the poorer Nations are doing now! This system is disgusting!

    -- Posted by Jo on Mon, Sep 9, 2013, at 3:54 PM
  • Hey folks! What do you think about staying away from the original Speak Out for about a week? I don't know about y'all, but I am curious as to whether anyone will utilize it, if we don't.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Sep 9, 2013, at 6:00 PM
  • Right, OKR! You'd best round up your pal DO and cut him in on your plan before he finishes packing.

    -- Posted by Slater on Mon, Sep 9, 2013, at 7:23 PM
  • Still waiting on a Speak Out comment from you Slater, or anyone else for that matter. Despite your explanation it is not a comment from a reader, it is just a copy and paste job. ;)

    I reckon we will see what DO does. Maybe he'll surprise you.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Sep 9, 2013, at 8:49 PM
  • You must not be looking very closely.

    -- Posted by Slater on Mon, Sep 9, 2013, at 9:20 PM
  • But that's right, none of us over there are smart enough to post our own thoughts, like you and your methamphetamine cure.

    -- Posted by Slater on Mon, Sep 9, 2013, at 9:24 PM
  • Slater it disappoints me that you didn't read my stuff on METH LAB ERADICATION. Obviously you did not or you would not have stated that it was about methamphetamine cure. Of course I can not rule out the possibility that you are churlishly trivializing, and being dismissive of what I said.

    By the way that piece was not politics, it was about a social problem endemic to Marshall, Saline County, and Missouri, and what can be done about it. Too bad more folks on the Speak Out blog don't address local social conditions.

    Hurry back over to the Speak Out blog, and say hello back to UpseDaisy. That will make two actual comments on that blog.

    Then I will hold my breath (not) until you actually post something of substance of your own as you long ago knew how to do. Anything would be of more interest than what you present in your self appointed role as the blank space policeman of Speak Out.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Sep 9, 2013, at 10:41 PM
  • News the reason it went over your head was because Slater was trashing me for placing a group of three lengthy comments that I made in a series starting Friday August 16th on the original Speak Out. They were in my own words of course, and it did entail a considerable amount of research.

    The upshot was that there is a relatively easy way to eradicate mobile meth labs.It is supported by most law enforcement agencies, and medical associations.

    You were off line at the time.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Sep 9, 2013, at 11:02 PM
  • Yup News it is escalating. I have had my say in response, and will now let it go unless there is further provocation. Go ahead Slater the last word is yours unless you get really nasty in which case I reserve the right to defend myself.

    News I would appreciate it if you would read those meth problem comments that started Aug. 16th. Note that dogs were yapping at my heels all along that course. LOL

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Sep 9, 2013, at 11:09 PM
  • -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Sep 9, 2013, at 11:21 PM
  • Hey News what was your takeaway from your month off line?

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Sep 10, 2013, at 12:08 AM
  • Thanks for your takeaway News.

    DO that was an excellent comment to Representative Cleaver. Please do not take offense at this, but do you not think that your phrase concerning cannabalism of Christians was a little over the top? I believe it was distracting from your otherwise on point message.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Sep 10, 2013, at 12:46 PM
  • News: "Thank goodness there are some nations that are still willing to lead and not just jump for their gun."

    The "right" is chastising Obama for not just doing what was needed to be done, and the left is chastising him for wanting to strike, so I'd say if you P*ssed off both sides maybe it is the right choice. At least his decision to seek congressional approval has allowed time to go by and perhaps allow diplomacy. But we'll see what he has to say in the next hour....

    -- Posted by RationalThinker on Tue, Sep 10, 2013, at 7:40 PM
  • Russia wants to keep its interests safe when it comes to Syria so by doing this getting Assad to agree to stop producing and to monitor its stockpile in exchange for a promise from the USA to not strike Syria it keeps their interest safe witch is oil. Now the lack of leadership in this by the USA is real troublesome Barrack should of never issued the Red Line. He wrote a check he can not cash now he will be seen as weak by the world. Make no mistake are real enemy is Russia they are going to get stronger and stronger and they are going to get more strong will this has weaken the USA.

    It is time for us to be independent of other countries for us decide our own fate I say stop supporting the UN. Get self supporting energy policy going balanced with oil and green energy and just have enough of a military that we could defend and defeat any foreign attack it is time to put our energy into the domestic policy and not the foreign policy.

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Tue, Sep 10, 2013, at 10:15 PM
  • "Top Ten Unproven Claims for War Against Syria"- -Dennis Kucinich

    http://www.alternet.org/world/top-10-unproven-claims-war-against-syria?paging=of...

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Sep 11, 2013, at 12:45 AM
  • Highly interesting local School Board letter to the editor tonight in the paper. Good reading and interesting topic. I need to mull this one over.

    -- Posted by MyObservation on Wed, Sep 11, 2013, at 7:51 PM
  • SD thanks for the invitation to share opinions regarding eminent domain.

    First of all I agree with you that it is utilized in far more ways than it should be. Particularly troublesome for me, as you mentioned, is the situation wherein ordinary individuals are harmed by its use solely to increase the private wealth of the very rich, and environmental harm occasioned by its utilization. However I have a different slant on the circumstance in California that prompted your comment.

    You are correct that many home buyers were motivated by a form of greed to apply for large loans for which they did not qualify, and could not make payments. Many thought that the boom would allow them to flip the houses in an ever upward spiral resulting in increased personal wealth. Some were shysters, those who were not were fools.

    However there are two sides to that coin. You will recall that at the same time the mortgage lenders were doing all they could to encourage such folks to buy, buy, buy. They were shoddy, or downright fraudulent in their efforts to entice fools into the frenzy, looking the other way even when in some cases qualifications were nonexistent. They did this because they had no intention of holding those mortgages within their own institutions. They bundled those poison mortgages and shipped them upstream, going so far as to fraudently disguise the bundles as prime mortgages as they shipped them upstream for discounted sale. Oh boy did they make money off those shenanigans.

    Meanwhile our government not only looked the other way, but removed such regulatory means as existed to further the cause of corrupt financial institutions. What happened when the bubble burst had to happen. Eventually it had to be recognized that the bundles were worthless. Things went to hell, and government took our tax dollars to bail out big wigs at the top. To this day there has been no real reestablishment of regulation of financial institutions. Despite their criminal greed the mortgage companies have gotten off scot free. They are attempting to place the onus for their perfidy solely on the borrowers with whom they in fact colluded. They have suffered no penalty, nor punishment.

    I can summon no sympathy for the plight of the mortgage companies, and mortgage brokers who are disturbed by the contemplated use of eminent domain to relieve the purchasers. Maybe such after the fact punishment is the only thing that will make them think twice before again becoming participants in the next preposterous scheme that becomes the norm. For sure our corporate owned federal government will not do anything to prohibit another cycle of such insanity. To hell with the mortgage companies, may they hang from a rope made from their own hubris.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Sep 11, 2013, at 9:01 PM
  • Unbridled greed must always be restricted, and contained for a nation to succeed. That is why there has never been, and never will be a true libertarian nation. That is why libertarians are incapable of even envisioning, and explaining how such nations can rise, let alone succeed.

    The only pragmatic libertarian structure that can work is social libertarianism within another form of government structure.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Sep 11, 2013, at 9:31 PM
  • News I assume that you are speaking of our initial nation under The Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union which was ratified in 1781, then replaced a short time later by the United States Constitution (adopted in 1787).

    Granted,it was pretty much bare bones libertarian at the start, but there was immediate, and uninterrupted movement distancing the nation from libertarianism. In fact there was far from initial consensus endorsing the concept. The southern states would not go for anything more restrictive so it was presumed that anything was better than nothing. This fluid work in progress was conceived out of necessity.

    Such constitutional declarations as the interstate commerce clause foretold, and initiated the movement away from American libertarianism. Unfortunately the Neoclassical economic model went hand in glove with the libertarian features, and even outlasted them.

    Thus I hold a more nuanced position than your declaration; that being that our nation's conception as libertarian was merely a necessary base from which we rapidly distanced ourselves. I also hold that federalism, a key component of our early government does not meld with libertarianism, and cut off libertarianism at its roots.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Sep 11, 2013, at 11:34 PM
  • And there I thought maybe we are becoming big boys, and we are going to go an entire evening without internecine sniping. Dadgummit! ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Sep 11, 2013, at 11:44 PM
  • MyObservation welcome to this forum. Come back when you can.

    Am I understanding correctly that the letter to the Editor appeared in the print version of the MDN? I have not found it in this online version.

    That disgruntles me just a bit because I seem to recall that one of the sales pitches for the online only subscription was that it would allow us to read the Letters To The Editor. I pay for the online subscription, but I am seeing very few letters to the editor. I wonder what's up?

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Sep 11, 2013, at 11:57 PM
  • Republican pigs grow fat at the corporate trough.

    Blue Dogs squeeze in so tightly they can not cough.

    They all eat all day and can never stop,

    all are addicted to corporate slop.

    They squeal, they howl, they bark, they grunt,

    taking it all in from the front.

    It is a tragedy for us I fear,

    that what's left for us comes out the rear.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Sep 12, 2013, at 1:13 AM
  • Thanks News, I always enjoy, and learn when you expound on Economics. :)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Sep 12, 2013, at 1:22 AM
  • news - thanks for the link on the Putin letter. Most of the time, I think he's an arrogant jerk, but he certainly hit the nail square on the head with this one, all the way through.

    The US 'exceptionalism' doctrine is long overdue for the burn barrel. At some point, we have to grow up, and live in the company of our peers if we expect to lead by example. Otherwise, our 'example' to other nations is simply that if you are big and brutal enough, you can ignore the law and democracy, and just steal what you want...

    -- Posted by NDII on Thu, Sep 12, 2013, at 6:52 AM
  • News there is a feller who calls himself "Fed up" commenting over at the link I have included that is in dire of an economics lesson, if ya got the time, and inclination. He cites economics 101, but may have flunked it cause his declaration is way off what one might gather from Econ 101. ;)

    http://www.marshallnews.com/story/2001326.html

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Sep 12, 2013, at 3:30 PM
  • I've been out of pocket News. I just read the exchange you had with Fedup. People who run around citing the Laffer Curve at this late date are likely to never be convinced they are wrong about much of anything. However I do believe that you may have convinced FedUp of a new twist on an old saying; "No News is good news". ROTFLMAO.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Sep 13, 2013, at 12:28 AM
  • Thank you News for your concern. I have always thought Slater a good guy, and believe that he knows that. You're a good guy too, and I am certain that you know I think that.

    O. K. I'm done with that.

    I am holding on to no anger, or resentment toward anyone. I think that would be a foolish thing for me to do.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Sep 14, 2013, at 12:44 AM
  • OKR: "The only pragmatic libertarian structure that can work is social libertarianism within another form of government structure."

    It sure appears to be an oxymoron. Social Libertarianism? Can you give an example of how that might work? Perhaps living under a socialist government sharing the tax burden but being allowed to do whatever you want behind closed doors/gates other than you must pay taxes? Not sure what it means?

    -- Posted by RationalThinker on Sat, Sep 14, 2013, at 8:30 AM
  • SD: "I have long believed that capitalism only works with regulation, and to have successful regulation requires a strong central authority for enforcement. Therefore, government regulation of business goes hand-in-hand with a working capitalist economy."

    That hits the nail straight on the head for me!!!

    -- Posted by RationalThinker on Sat, Sep 14, 2013, at 8:30 AM
  • At this point in time, it appears to me that Obama has played his cards correctly. Obviously we will see in the coming weeks ahead, but he has given just enough time for possibilities of compliance by Syria appear real. The threat of the sword is also mightier than the pen. He has taken criticism from both sides, which may ultimately mean he is handling the situation correctly (for the moment). A war monger would have already launched; a pacifist would not have influenced Assad or Russia in the least.

    -- Posted by RationalThinker on Sat, Sep 14, 2013, at 8:36 AM
  • George Zimmerman's best friend appears on a white power podcast! Here you go.

    http://thewhitevoice.com/the-white-roundup/2013/7/27/the-white-voice-21-intervie...

    -- Posted by cheesehead on Sat, Sep 14, 2013, at 9:11 PM
  • What I meant was certain social prohibitions could be unregulated. The right of every competent woman to be the sole decider of what goes on in her body, the right of every competent person to choose what they may, or may not ingest, or inhale, as long as they do it in private, and not endanger others, and the right to marry whomever one chose would be among those things. The base thought behind those examples is that more personal liberty might unencumber individual efforts to reach one's full potential.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Sep 14, 2013, at 10:54 PM
  • RT and SD: Certainly agree... it seems that much of the rest of the industrialized, advanced world has figured this out... Socialized human services (education, health care, utilities, etc), strong unions, and regulated private capitalism seems to have worked elsewhere. I am more in favor of the Nordic plan - they can open any business they want, but are required to pay a good living wage that places no burden on the state, the usual 4-week annual vacation plus holidays, and strong unions - and they are doing very well. It's not so difficult...

    OKR - Agreed: social libertarianism is a far cry from the governing libertarianism, and is often confused as the same thing, which it's not.

    DO:" The neocons, who were originally progressive leftist.." and then referencing the PNAC group?? ROFLM*O. There is absolutely no rational way that Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, or Keith Armitage could EVER be mistaken for "progressive leftist" on any level.

    -- Posted by NDII on Sun, Sep 15, 2013, at 9:05 AM
  • DO, you are really confused about who the neocons are and who they control. The neocons are the ones that wanted the first excuse possible to bomb Syria, and would have already done so prior to their use of chemical weapons if they had their way (or if they had their man in power). Obama is not a neocon, nor does he follow what THEY want. He is between a rock and a hard place, the rock being those so wary of our wars they don't want to ever intervene in the foreseeable future and the hard place being the right neocons who are calling him spineless for not doing "the right thing" (bombing) without requesting congress or the American people to back that decision. His reluctance to bomb has caused the right to accuse him of indecisive with no backbone while many on the left are ridiculing him for even talking about bombing. We now have a week for verification of the process. It may not work, yet there is a chance. Obama has made the most rational decision yet again, regardless of the outcome.

    -- Posted by RationalThinker on Sun, Sep 15, 2013, at 7:41 PM
  • I have been fortunate to have had for many years a partner with whom the conversation never lags. Thus on the rare occasions that we go out of an evening for a couple of drinks we choose quiet little places where the customers are few, and become characters in a play in which we are all actors. As Paul Simon says in his song "America" we "play games with the faces", fleshing out the other actors.

    Here is a pensive poem drawn from one such "character", a role assigned through imagination if you will, words that person never thought, nor spoke.

    Halfway House

    So I sit alone in a sleepy bar just passing time away

    There is a tinkling piano with songs from another day

    It brings me many memories of friends along the way

    No one in the darkness to notice my far away stare

    nor a slight smile on red lips drawn with special care

    no one around to even notice only half of me is there

    Another Martini sweetie the bartender says again

    Just one more for the road named Remember When

    to help me feel better as I'm going where I've been

    Sometime I will go to a more lively place instead

    make myself so gorgeous that I may turn a head

    However it is more likely that I'll just stay in bed

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Sep 17, 2013, at 2:11 PM
  • Some may wonder why did that old fool place that particular poem, and comment on the politics blog. I did consider that question before I proceeded to do so. It is an object lesson regarding imagination, and its place in the scheme of things.

    Imagination is a wonderful tool to enhance entertainment.

    It is also of value in bringing to mind potential unconsidered options regarding many other things. However, that sort of conjecture should always be followed by the hard work of vetting.

    Unfortunately we humans at times skip the examination of imaginings, and intermingle them with facts. The two may become so interwoven that the whole becomes a goobledygoop of nonsense. Such is seen in political declarations, and espoused religious beliefs.

    When apparently rational people scoff, or laugh at our political pronouncements, when such folk roll their eyes as we engage and emote regarding our religious beliefs, we should at least pause before clinging more tightly to what we hold as true; then ask ourselves, have I mixed imaginings, and fact?

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Sep 17, 2013, at 5:48 PM
  • News there is a much larger pack of thieves picking the pockets of the crowd these days as Babalu habitually continues to distract them.

    I have no recall of his colorful past. I'm thinking that I am far from alone regarding that.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Sep 17, 2013, at 6:48 PM
  • Wow News the conservative carnival, and clown parade of 2016 is shaping up to put the all star cast of 2012 in the shade. Babalu will undoubtably be a featured performer. What a show! I hope that I can hang on for that one. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Sep 17, 2013, at 8:41 PM
  • -- Posted by NDII on Wed, Sep 18, 2013, at 7:04 AM
  • Well News I reckon you aren't going to see what you missed. One was so nasty, that it became the first one I ever flagged. I am pleased to see that some of a certain party's nastier personal attacks have been deleted, along with some of mine defending the person he attacked, and berating him for the behavior. That doesn't bother me as I am just happy the extremely ugly remarks are gone. We will see if it has a lasting effect on the offending person.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Sep 18, 2013, at 11:43 AM
  • LOL Smart Dog. Seriously though a certain comment by a certain commenter went waaay beyond propriety. I was glad to see that Rachel squelched it.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Sep 18, 2013, at 2:22 PM
  • Do we ever know how to get rid of those worthless poor people here in Oklahoma. We just starve 'em to death! http://newsok.com/oklahoma-dhs-warns-of-pending-cuts-to-food-program/article/388...

    Which gets me to thinking; what are you folks in Missouri gonna do when all those wretched Okie refugees start swarming across your southwestern border?

    It looks to me like you have several choices. You could set up tents, and food stations on your side of the border. That would probably be the cheapest thing.

    On the other hand you might rather confer with Arizona officials as how best to block your border. Whatever that is it will be expensive. You could cut the cost by about 90% though if you hired illegal Latinos already in Missouri to do the border patrol. Just give them $30.00 a day (cash), and a big sharpened stick; they'd get 'er done.

    YEh, yeh, I'm exaggerating, but the truth is that scenario might happen sooner than you think. They don't call folks here "Sooners" for nuthin' you know. As explained in the linked article they are paring SNAP for families with NO INCOME.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Sep 18, 2013, at 3:38 PM
  • I reckon some folks that read what I just wrote, and say "my oh my, what a bunch of deadbeat lazy people they have in Oklahoma". That is not true; 628,956 recieved SNAP benefits in August. The state population is approximately 3,800,000.The July unemployment rate was only 5.3%, up a few tenths from the month before. Where else can you go with that except Oklahoma pays poverty wages?

    You may say why is he talking about Oklahoma, this is a Missouri blog. My answer is that your Republican legislature makes no bones about their goal to make the government of Missouri just like Oklahoma's, or worse, so that they can steal businesses from Oklahoma. They say it all the time. People I'm telling you, you do not want a government like this reddest of states, Oklahoma unless you are sadistic, stupid, mean, or masochistic.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Sep 18, 2013, at 4:21 PM
  • But News you misunderstand the duped, and dupers, the dupers mean they wish to restore the FIRST government of our country, The Articles of Confederation. The dupers dare not say that straight out to the duped because it would confuse them. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Sep 18, 2013, at 4:40 PM
  • God, guns, and gays is a successful theme that the Right counts on. In a sense we (they) as a body get just deserts. Hypocrisy, ignorance, and prejudice deserve to be punished. Too bad though that the rest of us must be punished along with the miscreants.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Sep 18, 2013, at 4:59 PM
  • Whatever you care to think about me DO think that. I have no control over that, nor do I want it. I am really not into mind control.

    However, need I remind you that thinking is one thing, and saying is another? ;)

    You will not bait me into superfluous discussion. Get used to that.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Sep 18, 2013, at 11:30 PM
  • SD I have believed for quite some time, that the crux of the issue is that the Republicans (those not brain dead) know that the A.C.A. is something that the people will never turn loose of once all it's benefits are in play. You are correct, it is the medicare scenario all over again.

    They are so panicked by it that they are repeatedly running into a brick wall knocking out more of what little sense they have left with each impact. The worst of it is that though they will not destroy the A. C. A. they are with each of the forty odd mass butting of heads to brick wall actually shaking the foundation of our government.

    I have been chuckling all along that those knuckleheads who believe they are insulting Obama by derisely labeling it "Obamacare" are in the long run assuring for posterity that this signature piece of his administration, which will be understood in time as the real start of health care reform forever carries his name. It will eventually be realized as another Simpsonistic DOH! moment for those fools, and scoundrels. ROTFLMAO!

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Sep 20, 2013, at 2:19 PM
  • Being anti-vaccine is not just political; it has its roots in religious ignorance. We cannot let that ignorance change the fantastic progress we have made...

    "Vaccines have saved millions of lives as well as improved the quality of life and yet there are those who, whether through abject ignorance or dogmatism, would bring back the ravages of disease..... Texas pastor Kenneth Copeland is just another in a long-line of benighted religionists who encourage parents to ignore facts putting at risk not only children in their care, but all of us because of epidemiological considerations".

    "This is not just a fight against dogmatic ignorance, this is literally a fight for the lives of innocents."

    http://www.richarddawkins.net/foundation_articles/2013/9/10/stop-the-anti-vaccin...

    -- Posted by RationalThinker on Sat, Sep 21, 2013, at 8:14 AM
  • Yes, religion poisons politics! You cannot expect our politicians to make rational decisions when their world vision is based on supernatural beliefs. Stop using the scientific method of growing corn and soybeans and watch how well your crops do on prayer. Stop vaccinations and watch our grandchildren suffer from a resurgence of polio and other life altering diseases. I realize this comment belongs more on the religion blog, but it appears politics has been bleeding profusely from the ravages of religion. We need to stop the bleeding and vote out those individuals willing to take down our government. Although I consider myself very progressive, I'd be the first to jump ship and vote them out if they started acting like the GOP has been acting over the Obama years. Along with the other idiotic positions the GOP and especially the Tea Party has been taking, I wouldn't be surprised if they start using the Confederate flag in their local conventions along with a requirement to wear long white "pointy" hats.

    -- Posted by RationalThinker on Sat, Sep 21, 2013, at 8:31 AM
  • I'm beginning to think Republicans and Religion are synonymous. So, let it be written.. "Republicans poison everything"

    What is very scary is that the GOP has been hijacked and without a viable conservative alternative, we might lose the value our two party system has played since the beginning of our government. As our middle class continues to shrink and one party plays to the fears of the greedy, the ignorant, and the ultra religious, we may be getting close to a potential revolution?

    -- Posted by RationalThinker on Sun, Sep 22, 2013, at 1:42 PM
  • Rt: I think you've got a point there! I also think all these shooting has a lot to do with what's happening in our Politic,People are fed up with this kind of Governing! But the People doing the shooting are taking it out on society not the Governing body! But if we don't change thing's in Washington,the fighting and killing will just get worse! That's where it all started! It's come too the point of our Leader's! We have a good President but we gave him NO! HELP! THEIR ALL TOO ARROGANT,AND KNOW THEY CAN GET AWAY WITH IT! THE PEOPLE WON'T GET OUT IN NUMBER'S AND VOTE FOR NEW LEADER'S! We need a more Social Society! but what do i know! My rant for the Month!

    -- Posted by Jo on Sun, Sep 22, 2013, at 8:52 PM
  • I don't question anyone about their reasoning on shot's anymore. The quality or our Medicines and the loss of respect for the people regulating things, leave's everyone guesting anything they put out anymore,At least i feel that way!

    -- Posted by Jo on Sun, Sep 22, 2013, at 9:05 PM
  • "People are fed up with this kind of Governing! But the People doing the shooting are taking it out on society not the Governing body!"-JO

    Dead on Jo. :)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Sep 23, 2013, at 1:11 AM
  • Finest Pope in my lifetime News. He walks the walk.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Sep 23, 2013, at 1:16 AM
  • Here is a stemwinder "call it what it is" chock full of facts from Mark Karlin, Editor of Buzzflash/Truthout. I am proud to call him my friend, and honored that he has published my poetry on his website. He is a young man who works tirelessly for the betterment of America.

    Read and enjoy. Fair warning to closet racists, you ain't gonna like it. http://www.truth-out.org/buzzflash/commentary/item/18210-only-difference-between...

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Sep 23, 2013, at 4:05 PM
  • I suppose that the 2014 elections are a more civil way to get rid of Republican traitors. Using elections instead of electrocution to silence traitors is more humane.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Sep 23, 2013, at 11:56 PM
  • Off topic, thread, whatever; News was it you who alluded to maybe moodyblue was DO? I say definitely not, moodyblue has been around for a long time. I'm glad he's back though we share little in common. The more the merrier.

    Back to DO; I reckon he is just taking a little time off.

    I figure he is in a little boat that leaks, on some little pond somewhere. He is just slowly going around in counter-clockwise circles (he only rows from the right) dangling his bait hoping to hook a sucker, or a guppy. What is it that they call that sort of fishing operation? Oh yea, I remember, trolling. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Sep 24, 2013, at 12:59 AM
  • I wish we would hear more often from WTF, rr3, cheesehead, CPp, MrXray, and others. Countryman is also good, and ostensibly absent though he may have morphed full time into another very fine poster.

    I figger that most of 'em are O. K., just busy. The one I am concerned about is rr3. He is an old geezer like me, Jo, and a few others who never know when the lights are going to be turned off. Rr3, if you are reading let us know that you're still kickin', additional comment optional. :)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Sep 24, 2013, at 1:37 AM
  • ROTF...

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Sep 24, 2013, at 2:01 AM
  • I think John Henry's Hammer was banished along with Third Child, and others when Eric was the real hammer not John Henry's Hammer. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Sep 24, 2013, at 2:04 AM
  • Come on DO you, and your source stretched the context of what Pelosi actually said way beyond any semblance to reality. It is the usual trade mark of you folks on the right.

    The only remaining question is whether you do it because of some endemic brain glitch handicapping you folks ability to parse, or whether it is because you are so desperate for material that you will throw any old glob of stinky stuff against the wall hoping some of it will stick. A little of both I reckon. ;)

    I suggest you go back to the video, listen carefully. What Pelosie actually was referencing as assisting the American dream, was the health care improvements, not the loss of the forty hour work week. You guys, and your disconnect are down right scary. Sheesh.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Sep 24, 2013, at 11:53 AM
  • More direct evidence of you folks problem DO is that in your post you did not quote Pelosi. You chose to instead quote your source's interpretation of what Pelosi said. "Some parts of Obamacare need to be clarified, she acknowledged, but losing that 40-hour work week will really free Americans to "pursue your happiness ... follow your passion."

    I think you are smart enough to understand what that flaw illustrates. If not come back, and I or one of the other well qualified folks here will explain it to you in detail.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Sep 24, 2013, at 12:39 PM
  • Snarky, snarky DO; such is the last refuge of those who are rationally rebuked. It is effete of you to resort to disparaging the physical appearance of someone. You can not escape that you chose to quote an interpretation of Pelosi's remark, not her remark.

    Unless you flag your comments on this subject for eradication they will stand here as a typical devious example of irrational, and failed exposition by the uncomprehending Right. You're running on empty. ROTFLMAO!

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Sep 24, 2013, at 5:10 PM
  • Nice try News, but try as you may you can not, I repeat can not, top the crazies. First of all they are so consumed by their phobic hatred that they can not even see real problems like termite damage.

    It always has puzzled me that such folks have no problem swallowing as fast as they can food cooked up, and served by African Americans, but will have no part of health care improvements cooked up, and served by one of that ethnicity. It must be something about folks not staying in their place. Sick, sick, sick!

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Sep 24, 2013, at 7:07 PM
  • (By the way, very funny.)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Sep 24, 2013, at 7:09 PM
  • William Rivers Pitt, his usual brilliant self, On sending in the clowns to keep your eyes off the Big Tent. http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/19019-send-in-the-clowns

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Sep 25, 2013, at 1:45 AM
  • Surely you aren't calling Obamacare "the Peoples' legislation" ? it is a sick joke, that will do far more harm than good. Who among the poor has an extra 1200-4000 bucks a year just laying around?

    -- Posted by Armour-of-God on Wed, Sep 25, 2013, at 1:26 PM
  • Well, well DO back to your cut, and paste routine again with the "Little Johnny" story. You know If I were you I might do the same. Your own stuff has been so weak recently that it gets shredded, disproved, and ridiculed about as fast as it pops up. I know you are fatigued from being constantly on the recieving end of a Whack A Mole game.

    So a special rule for poor old DO, cut and paste away, hey sign it with your own name. Each time you get an email with ignorant dribble, and low brow humor from one of your right wing knuckle dragging associates, just put your name on it and serve it up here. It's better than most of the recent authentically yours stuff.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Sep 25, 2013, at 4:27 PM
  • Thanks for hte Snowden/Manning piece that you shared though, it was on the money. :)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Sep 25, 2013, at 4:37 PM
  • DO nice job on the poem. :)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Sep 26, 2013, at 4:49 PM
  • Well said SD.

    Oh News you mean to say that the ACA is law? Jeez who'd a thunk that?

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Sep 26, 2013, at 4:53 PM
  • Sorry News, that was an obscure comment that I made. Matter of fact it was an afterthought to a comment that you made recently scorning, and rebuking those who refuse to recognize it as law. Like I said, my comment was obscure, to the point that you could not even discern it was meant to be supportive.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Sep 26, 2013, at 7:40 PM
  • (yours of 9-25 @4:05 pm)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Sep 26, 2013, at 7:44 PM
  • News that preposterously concocted story that was put out could leave one with only two conclusions; either those who put it out are all insane, or that they think we the people are all insane.

    What a crock of it!

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Sep 27, 2013, at 5:00 PM
  • A farts joke is the lead item on the original Speak Out.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Sep 27, 2013, at 5:43 PM
  • Hersh has said so since the get go News. The larger question is why haven't many others followed his lead?

    Re: the status of the primary Speak Out, nah why bother. Well one thing, I am relieved that folks can't copy and paste from truck stop bathroom walls. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Sep 27, 2013, at 10:50 PM
  • SD - in its current form, the ACA is a sop to those money-sucking private medical insurance companies but it was the best they could get.. I agree that Medicare for everyone would be the most cost-effective and sane way to go, but the medical insurance industry scared the b'jeezus out of seniors saying that if we went to Medicare for All, they would get less -which was a blatant lie.

    The Medicare system would only have to tweak the prescription protection for Big Pharma to make it REALLY effective, and allow Medicare to NEGOTIATE drug prices in bulk like every other sane plan does...

    But HEAVEN FORBID we actually have a 'health care' system instead of a massive for-profit medical industry... :P

    -- Posted by NDII on Sat, Sep 28, 2013, at 12:33 AM
  • news & okr - I read the Hersch piece and he is dead on the money... the man does know his profession. Criminy - even Bob Woodward has sold out for comfort and cash. THAT was a disappointment...

    And raising a glass to both of you... slainte!

    -- Posted by NDII on Sat, Sep 28, 2013, at 12:36 AM
  • And top o' the mornin' to you. :)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Sep 28, 2013, at 12:51 AM
  • mornin' :)... I haven't disappeared, but just was NOT getting into the petty personal/name-calling nonsense that seemed to be dominating the discussions...

    Hope all is well with you and yours :)

    -- Posted by NDII on Sat, Sep 28, 2013, at 1:23 AM
  • The real goal of the GOP:

    "...the looming threat of a government shutdown and credit default Republicans promise are not about spending, debt and deficit, or even the Affordable Care Act; it is about ending the nation's representative democracy and ushering in fascism and rule by oligarchy."

    http://www.politicususa.com/2013/09/27/republican-fascists-stop-representative-d...

    -- Posted by NDII on Sat, Sep 28, 2013, at 2:17 AM
  • Hey! news.. I've been 'lurking' - just wasn't into the name-calling routine..

    Yeah - it seems we ALWAYS have money for another bloody war, but never have money for peace... :(

    Of course, peace is harder, requires patience, cooperation and creativity and is FAR less profitable...

    -- Posted by NDII on Sat, Sep 28, 2013, at 3:02 AM
  • I'd like to think that there are a large number of compassionate conservatives, but I'm afraid they are either hiding or becoming non-existent. I used to think of them as fiscal conservatives, but in recent history they've been hijacked by the social conservatives, and even that has been hijacked by the religious right. Throw in the gun lobby, libertarians, neocons, and racists, and you've got a bed difficult to go to sleep in. Both parties have the uneducated, but it is only the GOP that thinks the uneducated equates to uninterested (some truth in that) and that is to their advantage. Both parties used to at least appear to have our country's interest at heart, but that too is no longer true for a large proportion of the GOP, unless you count possessing all the wealth for trickle down economics as having everyone's interest in mind.

    -- Posted by RationalThinker on Sat, Sep 28, 2013, at 7:49 AM
  • News and RT: this might be of interest, and certainly corroborates perversions like "The Family" cult in DC, among others... "Reconstructionist Christianity" by any other name is still "revisionist"... and since this is 10 years old, we can see clearly how correct his research was...

    http://www.publiceye.org/magazine/v08n1/chrisre1.html

    -- Posted by NDII on Sat, Sep 28, 2013, at 8:39 AM
  • News how about calling them Repulsivecans? They find any thing rational repulsive, and rational people find them repulsive. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Sep 28, 2013, at 9:52 PM
  • Year, after year, decade after decade, the following states for the most part have the highest poverty rates. Year after year, decade after decade those same states for the most part become more conservative. Consistently the people of those states vote for more of the same to fix it.

    Are they so undernourished as children that their brains are deficient? Are they beyond caring because hope is in short supply? Are they so conditioned by religion that corporeal life is of no matter to them, because they think they will eventually rest easy on a cloud mattress? Yes.

    Mississippi, Louisiana, New Mexico, Arkansas, West Virginia, Kentucky, Texas, Alabama, South Carolina, Oklahoma.

    Is the Southern Baptist predominance in those states (Roman Catholic in N.M. and parts of Texas) because those entities feed off of poverty, or because they feed those in poverty?

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Sep 28, 2013, at 10:20 PM
  • There are so many ways to express disdain for the pseudo-conservatives.

    I wonder why they don't come back with such labels as Democraps, and Socialistopaths? I think probably it is a profound lack of imagination that compounds their insanity; insanity established as fact by their compulsion to do the same thing over and over each time expecting different results. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Sep 28, 2013, at 10:54 PM
  • In memory of Woody Guthrie and his abiding hope.

    The Right has fascist hammers, and lots of little square pegs;

    a plutocratic platform with differing holes and weak legs.

    They pound the poor pegs just as hard as they are able,

    and are bound to collapse that shoddy little table.

    Then all those little pegs so battered and square,

    will be finally free to find a deal that's fair.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Sep 29, 2013, at 12:32 AM
  • Yea News ya gotta point. My domicile undoubtably effects my perspective. Hey I even thought it would be a close race between Romney the Robot, and President Promise.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Sep 29, 2013, at 12:41 AM
  • DO, very interesting article/study on the use of statins. I've been on statins for several years and do have concerns about what potential harm it might be doing besides reducing the risk of my arteries being clogged. My primary doctor claims vast studies conclude it dramatically reduces the cholesterol level and thus buildup that can lead to eventual heart failure. I have also seen a well respected heart specialist due to cholesterol buildup that claims it is essential to reducing my risk as well. Ultimately, the answer may be to change my lifestyle and start eating like the Chinese, but even that does not insure lowering cholesterol levels, let alone the difficulty of changing one's diet so drastically. Has anyone else looked at that article DO has provided and able to verify the source is not political?

    -- Posted by RationalThinker on Sun, Sep 29, 2013, at 6:32 AM
  • The Disconnect

    (a short play)

    The set: A fox screen face is interviewing a well known liberal politician; it could be anyone of many.

    Scene one: Fox: So you believe that we should give all those welfare scammers even more of our hard earned money?

    Guest: Bzxtl mngllst gnfltre and mxtl. Khvxzqtl jztststl, and mrtmnycmbl.

    Fox: You heard it here folks he said we should double the money that welfare cheaters, and good for nothing deadbeats get.

    Scene two: (a typical Fox watchers living room).

    Bozo 1: Hey Harry, did you here what that pinko liberal just said, he told Fox that he regularly had sex with welfare mothers, and was a baby daddy six times over.

    Bozo 2: Yep Harry you never know what those crazy ignorant liberals are gonna do next. I'm gonna e mail Joe about that bum giving welfare money to deadbeat women for sex.

    Fade to black.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Sep 29, 2013, at 11:37 PM
  • Human folks are not nearly as bright, perhaps clear thinking is a better way to say it, as we think we are. Nearly half of us are wrong on many issues, and it is not always the same ones excepting politics. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Sep 30, 2013, at 1:11 AM
  • SD - it seems that there is a vocal, extremist minority in the GOP who want to not just 'shut it down' but destroy it entirely...

    http://www.businessinsider.com/why-republicans-want-to-shut-government-2013-9

    They have NOT passed ANY thing that looks like a Jobs Bill, they have voted to cut healthcare, education, food, jobs, and public works, they have spent BILLIONS voting AGAINST laws already in place, and trying to get us INTO another bloody WAR that has NO END!!! They want to DESTROY the federal government (except the military) and throw everyone under the bus so they and their donors can have MORE that working class people are expected to PAY FOR!

    But the world in which we are entwined may have a problem with that....

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/eamonnfingleton/2013/09/29/if-republicans-want-to-sh...

    And these are the SAME people who want to ELIMINATE science standards, impose a THEOCRACY (like Saudi Arabia) and turn the entire country into a bloody plantation, and they THINK they are all gonna be 'massas' and 'jefes'... so THEY DON'T HAVE TO DIRTY THEIR OWN dainty HANDS WITH ACTUAL LABOR.

    Who do I blame? The GOTP.

    -- Posted by NDII on Mon, Sep 30, 2013, at 5:33 PM
  • It's still amazes me what the low information crowd can be led to believe. The shut down basically boils down to the Democrats refusing to negotiate at all. They could have delayed Obamacare for a year and gave up their 75% subsidy to pay for their healthcare but Dingy Harry says 'no way'. We will not give up our subsidy and we will continue to force Obamacare on the American people. Now to me that don't sound like someone that represents the people. Does it to you? I guess if you only listen to the rhetoric and the fear mongering by the low information media you would believe that.

    Why is it compromise to liberals is always their opponents caving to their wishes? Each member of congress was voted in by people that thought they would represent what they wanted. All I hear from the low information crowd is name calling, disrespect, basically no consideration for why their opponent believes what they are doing is right. Why do liberal always think they are the only ones that can be right?

    The reason myself and other conservatives don't post on here much anymore is that there is no dialogue. I have tried numerous times to dialogue on here but in the arena of ideas well liberalism is bankrupt. It has failed the American people time and time again but as long as they can give something for nothing they will get votes and even get reelected. All Obamacare is going to be used for is to get Democrat votes, just like amnesty, just like Social Security was used to get Democratic votes. Look what it has gotten us in the last 50 years. If the Democrats want to fix things like they say why don't they? It seems to me everything they set out to fix seems to get worse but the low information crowd will never hear it because their media will not tell them the truth. Of course when you have been lied to for 50 years what is the truth?

    Let me say that their are one or two that post on here that are polite and respectful so I don't want to throw all that subscribe to liberalism in one basket but they are the exception. Many are mean and nasty just like their mentors Reed and Polosie but hey I don't want to be like them.

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Tue, Oct 1, 2013, at 11:08 PM
  • No tricks new just trying to get the truth to some low information voters. Why not explain what you think the truth is instead of calling it a rabbit trick. Anybody can make that argument. It's more like a bait and switch and a lot of people are taking the bait.

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Tue, Oct 1, 2013, at 11:42 PM
  • Simply put rr3 the Affordable Care Act is the law of the land. Why would the majority who think it is a good law agree to a minority demand to change it? You must admit that if the shoe was on the other foot you guys would do no differently.

    Get over it, and participate in governing if the right remembers how. It has been a long time since the right has actually done anything except obstruct.

    Anyway welcome back. Check in more frequently as at your age we can't be sure whether, or not you have gone off to join the cloud and harp gang.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Oct 2, 2013, at 12:06 AM
  • G'day News. :)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Oct 2, 2013, at 1:41 AM
  • Know Nothing, Dixiecrat, and Republican parties, where will the nation's nasties hide next. Will they destroy another existing party? Will they shelter within a a new tent of their own manufacture?

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Oct 2, 2013, at 12:01 PM
  • "In a statement released today, the owners of the outdoor drama cited rising insurance and production costs, declining crowds and costs associated with the new federal healthcare mandate."

    Jeez DO you ran with what appears to be an afterthought tacked at the end of real, and sufficient reasons for the shutdown. Do you truly think that it would have survived even if the ACA was not extant?

    The crowds are declining just as the Republican Party is declining. Old uberconservatives are dying off like flies and subsequent generations have no interest in either Branson stuff, or the morphed Republican Party.

    People that I know who have been to Branson in the last few years say that you have to move at a snails pace there when driving, and at a walker/wheelchair pace when on foot. It's too slow for those still on the go. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Oct 2, 2013, at 7:05 PM
  • Gotta add though that even the snail's pace of Branson is warp speed compared to the movement of the Republican House.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Oct 2, 2013, at 7:14 PM
  • LOL News.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Oct 2, 2013, at 7:22 PM
  • RE: your take on Branson. ROTFLMAO (sorry DO)

    That is also my take on Branson. In fact if I believed in myths, went to sleep and awoke in Branson I would believe that I had died and gone to hell.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Oct 2, 2013, at 9:52 PM
  • Oh yea, one other thing. I think I read somewhere a while back that Branson had a snail infestation so bad that the likes of it had never been seen in any other town anywhere.

    A consultant was hired, a study done, and the conclusion was quite remarkable. It seems that the snail population had a very low crush rate. The little creatures were able to dodge around the feet of pedestrians, and dart between cars as the snails crossed the street.

    They solved the problem by bringing in hundreds of box turtles that consumed the snails. They were however left with another problem. Those speedy little turtles were crashing into pedestrians that clogged the sidewalks, knocking them down.

    After a series of victims with hip fractures, and broken Life Alerts they put little flashing red lights on the turtles backs as well as sirens that operated at high and low pitches. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Oct 2, 2013, at 10:20 PM
  • The Democrats are holding America hostage and blaming the Republicans. Even more amazing is how they convince the low information crowd. If I were a Democrat it would be an insult to me as an American, at the least a severe disappointment.

    We now have more personnel guarding the WWII memorial then we could send to protect Americans in Benghazi. How could anyone saying they are American support a party that would support or cover up those kind of actions?

    It would be really easy to stoop to the level of liberalism and just start name calling but I am going to exercise refrain lets see it liberals can do likewise.

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, Oct 3, 2013, at 7:17 AM
  • DO you must be a severe threat to liberalism. They are just as mean and nasty to you as some of the other conservative posters. Hang in there truth will prevail.

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, Oct 3, 2013, at 7:21 AM
  • Why on EARTH would anyone ever set foot in Branson?

    -- Posted by Armour-of-God on Thu, Oct 3, 2013, at 11:42 AM
  • AoG - I remember Branson as a sleepy little town with a Five n Dime, the play and Silver Dollar City... lovely place, but that was 40 years ago, and shortly thereafter, the bad theatre crowd took over... And I'm with you, now - why on EARTH?

    -- Posted by NDII on Thu, Oct 3, 2013, at 9:02 PM
  • News I understand your point of view. I don't post as frequently as I have in the past.

    You are not alone in your frustration.

    We have been at it for years now. It will be interesting to see what fills the vacuum, if anything at all.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Oct 4, 2013, at 11:54 AM
  • Things just keep getting worse in this Red state that is the poster child of the Tea Party, the reddest state in America.

    We have become the bottom state, or nearly so in almost every category that measures well being of the citizenry.

    We just became a member of the bottom ten most dangerous states in which to live. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/05/most-dangerous-states_n_4050398.html?ic...

    The Reds of the GOTP, and it's fellow travelers the neopinkos are irrational to the point that they can not see that the nearly perfect model of what they think all states should be, Oklahoma, is an utter disaster in every measure of social and economic well being. Excepting the rich of course, for whom Oklahoma is an economic paradise.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Oct 5, 2013, at 11:53 PM
  • Yep, that's it. Though the essay doesn't push the point, it seems to me to be all about fear.

    That fear I believe is organic in nature, for instance the amygdala differences, as well as actual organic differences in other portions of the brain between the far right folks, and everyone else.

    Thankfully they are a numerical minority else we would be in deeper doo doo. They are extremely jacked up, motivated, compelled, by their biologically originating fear thus compelled to activism.

    The rest of us aren't as extremely motivated, because our fear factor is lesser. Thus to stymie them we must through rational means educate the majority to the dangers of that organically different minority. They are a group that from fear are reduced to panic which fosters irrationality.

    That is just my opinion though it is supported by several scientific studies on various brain differences.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Oct 6, 2013, at 1:43 AM
  • Smart Dog, I couldn't agree with you more. Great points indeed! I'm thinking the old adage that "sometimes things have to get a lot worse before they get better" is at play here. At least I agree it is going to get worse, so the sometimes hiding in the shadows optimist in me hopes that adage applies here. Like mathematical solutions, sometimes it takes much iteration to arrive at the true answer.

    -- Posted by RationalThinker on Sun, Oct 6, 2013, at 12:13 PM
  • The part that really irks me about this government shutdown is that I keep hearing people in the news say that the problem is on both sides. Nothing could be further from the truth. As a Democrat, I could not back actions of my party under the same circumstance. Let's say we Democrats were faced with a huge tax decrease that we know will shut down services for a majority of the population that we feel extremely important. But, assume the law was passed by the GOP, signed into law by the president, and survived a challenge all the way to the Supreme Court. And now we have a group of Democrats who are so outraged that they decide to threaten the potential wellbeing of the entire country by refusing to pass a budget unless a major portion designated for our Military is shifted over to social services we Dems feel is the only right thing to do. I can tell you right now that I would be outraged with my party over tactics I feel are against the principles of our constitution. We elect our representatives to enact laws they feel like are in the best interest of our people, laws that do not always go along with polling samples (if we did that, we should just eliminate our representatives and let everyone vote online for every law proposed), and we have a judicial system that is in place to override laws they feel might infringe on the rights of the few over potential unjust desires of the many. And then suppose we have to also contend with a minority of Democratic legislative members who can override all the counterbalances our constitution has in place with their hostage tactics. Those hostage tactics were never meant to be another counterbalance to the way our government works. Many republicans are for this tactic now since it is being used for their specific interest this time, but just remember that this same tactic could be used against an issue you are strongly for the next time. The President cannot allow this tactic to become legitimized.

    -- Posted by RationalThinker on Sun, Oct 6, 2013, at 12:13 PM
  • Good read guys. Thanks

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Oct 6, 2013, at 1:15 PM
  • Ever mindful of the needs of our brothers on the extreme right I offer this link to them about what that dastardly Obama has done now. They will be elated to know that the story at this link was also reported by the wise and delightful Anna Kooiman of Fox News.

    Here it is. This one is perfect for you guys to e mail to all your like minded friends. http://nationalreport.net/obama-uses-money-open-muslim-museum-amid-government-sh...

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Oct 6, 2013, at 5:09 PM
  • Funny News.

    Rumor has it that on that American treasure "The Simpsons" a major character is to be killed off this season. The smart money is all on Obama as the perpetrator. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Oct 6, 2013, at 7:41 PM
  • Up from 63% last week, 70% of Americans disapprove of how Republicans are handling budget negotiations. If they stay with the stubborness until we default and bring down the world economy their approval rating may be less than zero.

    It appears that there is a good chance that they will do just that. Any group that will do the same thing over, and over more than forty times, each time expecting different results as they have done, are so far out of touch with reality that they may choose to self emoliate rather than try something different.

    It is not all bad. Perhaps we need for them to become ashes blowing in the wind so that a positive proactive party may form to take the lead in healing our self inflicted wounds.

    Political parties do not last forever. There are several in our nation's history that were once strong, but let an emotional issue, or two mire them in their own muck until they went under forever.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/07/poll-republicans-shutdown_n_4059305.htm...

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Oct 7, 2013, at 8:16 PM
  • I always look forward to your Sunday coffee caused iterations SD. :)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Oct 7, 2013, at 8:38 PM
  • The Republican Party is to the Whig Party as the Tea Party is to the Know Nothing Party.

    http://www.let.rug.nl/usa/essays/1801-1900/the-american-whig-party/the-end-of-th...

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Oct 7, 2013, at 8:50 PM
  • Agreed News. They are so caught up in their blinding emotions that there is no impetus for pragmatism even though that is necessary for their survival.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Oct 7, 2013, at 8:56 PM
  • The thought occurs to me that advising Atlas to shrug is short sighted. One with clear vision would instead urge Atlas to ask, and teach all others to help carry the burden, then offer to pay them well for the effort. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Oct 7, 2013, at 9:33 PM
  • I suppose lemmings have a right to march to the cliff, to jump, and to drown. Lemmings do not however take everyone else with them.

    I think I have been analogizing the wrong rodent with the GOTP. Flea infested rats spreading a plague is a better analogy. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Oct 7, 2013, at 10:42 PM
  • Crazy paranoid thought I had; do you suppose that the recent proliferation of zombie movies, zombie TV series, and books is another insidious plot by the "Masters"? Are they hoping that by being exposed to the images over and over we will all adopt a more zombie like persona? Is it their desire that more will mindlessly lurch about trying to destroy all the other folks who are not brain dead?

    Doh! The Tea Party! Well maybe that is not such a crazy thought. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Oct 8, 2013, at 12:29 PM
  • DO you assume too much, and far too often. I do not watch the MSM except to see what the latest spin, aka brainwash technique, is used to sell the current hogwash.

    Are you turning into one of those zombies yourself? I would have thought that any cognizant person would have known from the many statements I have made on these blogs that I am extremely skeptical of the main stream media. What caused you to lurch to that assumption? ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Oct 8, 2013, at 2:09 PM
  • By the way some of the other stuff in your last statement I agree with. Does that surprise you?

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Oct 8, 2013, at 2:11 PM
  • One other thing DO it is not like you are presenting new stuff here. I read Vance Packard's "Hidden Persuaders" fifty five years ago. As a fellow geezer you also may have had that early opportunity. Did you?

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Oct 8, 2013, at 2:18 PM
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