Speak Out: July 1 to Sept. 9, 2013

Monday, July 1, 2013

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  • New Speak Out starts today!

    -- Posted by Eric Crump on Mon, Jul 1, 2013, at 12:03 PM
  • I think it is just you news across.

    -- Posted by World Traveler on Mon, Jul 1, 2013, at 5:40 PM
  • It looks like I was not on the political and religion speak out. It wasn't just you news across. Sorry.

    -- Posted by World Traveler on Tue, Jul 2, 2013, at 8:39 AM
  • Yellow Ribbons Then and Now

    They are over there now, but will be back soon

    won't last long home at the latest next June

    I put a yellow ribbon on my car, how about you

    Yes we must support the troops, I did too

    I am sick of this car now it is so too old

    I need a new one now so I was told

    I put a yellow ribbon on my new car today

    They still sell them, hard to find I must say

    Mine got so tacky that I just threw it away

    Millie put one in her window by the the gold star

    she spends most of her days now at the corner bar

    Bill said he was at the junkyard a few days ago

    and saw as he was walking by the very back row

    that under the thick film of accumulated dust

    each car had a yellow ribbon surrounded by rust

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Jul 3, 2013, at 11:45 AM
  • Are you saying that people have forgotten, or just dont care anymore, with that poem?

    -- Posted by Armour-of-God on Wed, Jul 3, 2013, at 12:00 PM
  • Both AoG, they are related, one follows the other, as well as some other things. Many poems have multiple levels intended by the author. A neat thing about poems is that in addition to the author's intent, the readers are free to, and often do draw additional personal meanings, and or conclusions from poems.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Jul 3, 2013, at 12:34 PM
  • Yellow Ribbons Then and Now

    They are over there now, but will be back soon

    won't last long home at the latest next June

    I put a yellow ribbon on my car, how about you

    Yes we must support the troops, I did too

    I am sick of this car now it is so too old

    I need a new one now so I was told

    I put a yellow ribbon on my new car today

    They still sell them, hard to find I must say

    Mine got so tacky that I just threw it away

    Millie put one in her window by the gold star

    she spends most of her days now at the corner bar

    Bill said he was at the junkyard a few days ago

    and saw as he was walking by the very back row

    that under the thick film of accumulated dust

    each car had a yellow ribbon surrounded by rust

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Jul 3, 2013, at 12:36 PM
  • Did you know? The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services National Training Program is offering two training webinars throughout June and July. Health Insurance Marketplace 101 is an hour-long overview of the Affordable Care Act's accomplishments and introduction to the Marketplace (Exchanges) highlighting who is eligible and how the it will work. Understanding the Health Insurance Marketplace is a two-hour review including eligibility, enrollment, plan structure, Medicaid expansion, and streamlined application. Sign up here.http://marketplace.cms.gov/NewsEvents/Webinars/Spring-Summer-2013-Health-Insurance-Marketplace-Training-Schedule.pdf

    -- Posted by CWilli on Thu, Jul 4, 2013, at 3:40 PM
  • Every year the children on our block would come to our house to do fireworks under the watchful eye of my father. The only requirement was that we would have to listen to him read the Declaration of Independence all the way through. As time went on and we got older we even asked questions. I still read the entire document every fourth of July. All of us should! I hear it misquoted all the time. Take the time.

    -- Posted by carmella214 on Thu, Jul 4, 2013, at 3:41 PM
  • Was wondering why the Saline County Fair is not having the demolation derby this year again

    -- Posted by loisjean on Tue, Jul 9, 2013, at 7:05 PM
  • Welcome Back Rachel

    -- Posted by mofireman on Wed, Jul 10, 2013, at 4:26 PM
  • loisjean,

    The promoter the fair board had secured in years past for the event went out of business two years ago. As there is a large demand for demolition derby events securing a promoter during Saline County's fair has proven unsuccessful. Efforts to secure a demolition derby continue in hopes there will be a promoter available during Saline County's fair time.

    -- Posted by arthfarm28 on Mon, Jul 15, 2013, at 6:15 PM
  • ChickenPotpie that was a rude side!

    You having a bad day?

    -- Posted by Gal66 on Thu, Jul 18, 2013, at 7:54 AM
  • We wanted to give the new restaurant that has went in where Grace Brothers used to be a try over the last couple of weeks we have been down there 2 times both times they had closed early!

    The sign on the business door says open until 9pm.

    We will not be trying again!

    -- Posted by Gal66 on Thu, Jul 18, 2013, at 8:01 AM
  • Bloomfields is non-smoking now.

    -- Posted by Cat Lover on Fri, Jul 19, 2013, at 3:14 PM
  • There are NO establishments that cater to smokers except a couple of bars. That's fine if it is the decision of the business, it is not fine if it becomes some city council directive. If a place allows smoking and you don't like it don't go.It's that simple. There will be nine other places that don't allow smoking.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Sat, Jul 20, 2013, at 10:02 AM
  • CPP - how long has it been since you bothered to eat ANYwhere in Marshall? There are several non-smoking establishments...

    -- Posted by NDII on Sat, Jul 20, 2013, at 9:40 PM
  • There is no excuse for this... I would ask the local PD and Wally George to PLEASE be sure your people are trained on this! There is a diabetes educator at Fitzgibbon...

    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/07/20/cop-cuffs-woman-having-diabetic-attack-bec...

    -- Posted by NDII on Sun, Jul 21, 2013, at 11:20 PM
  • Nothing on the shooting that occurred Friday night involving a known felon and 3 juveniles?

    -- Posted by huh? on Mon, Jul 22, 2013, at 12:45 PM
  • Nice tribute to Donnie Donkey D---. He was good kid, so was his brother.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Jul 23, 2013, at 10:27 AM
  • I so ashamed in our President that he defended Trayvon Martin, if he addressed the real problem instead of making excuses

    -- Posted by bc65340 on Tue, Jul 23, 2013, at 1:27 PM
  • I don't believe race should have ever been introduced into the Martin case. Those that did were only trying to sell their agenda and manipulate America. Look up the Roderick Scott case and tell me how it is so different that race was not a national issue in that case.

    If people want to challenge the law that allowed this to happen, fine, but let's stop dividing the nation with "racial" issues.

    -- Posted by inthemiddle on Tue, Jul 23, 2013, at 6:19 PM
  • BC65 you said, "I so ashamed in our President that he defended Trayvon Martin, if he addressed the real problem instead of making excuses."

    I want to hear you out before saying anything else. What is your take as to what is the real problem, and then, in what manner should the President have addressed it?

    Inquiring minds want to know. :)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Jul 23, 2013, at 7:40 PM
  • By the way BC, if it's all right with you, would you mind answering on the political blog, unless you feel the President's response should have been religious, in which case the religion blog might be the appropriate one. :)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Jul 23, 2013, at 7:47 PM
  • News Across, although obviously ill-informed, your opinion is your opinion and everyone is entitled to one. However, let me say that when you and the others who consider Zimmerman a racist and say that he was racially profiling, you are only half right. He was profiling yes, but not based on race, based on facts. The FACT is that Zimmermans community had been having break-ins by young black males. Had the community been having break-ins by white males and Trayvon was white, I believe we would have seen the same outcome that night. He was in the wrong for following him so long but they have proven that he was jumped by Trayvon during his retreat.

    In closing, quit being brainwashed and create your own thoughts. The media has stirred this thing in every direction possible. As racially divided as some think this country is, remember, we have a BLACK president in his second term.

    -- Posted by Almost Critical on Tue, Jul 23, 2013, at 9:47 PM
  • DO - interesting vid.

    Almost Critical: In FACT, they did not PROVE anything because they only had Zimmerman's version, and the other guy was dead. In FACT, Z was NOT retreating - the police had TOLD him to stand down, and he did not. All evidence except the vocal recordings of the 911 calls and TM's cell phone calls were circumstantial and subject to interpretation by the only one left standing, and those were 'if-ey' at best.

    -- Posted by NDII on Wed, Jul 24, 2013, at 10:35 AM
  • My son's best friend in high school was 6'5" tall and black. My son was about 6'2". I was terrified that someone would be scared of them because of their size and his friend's race, decide they were thugs and react violently. By the way, this boy (the friend) was very shy, the president of the Math club and eventually went to MIT. An absolute sweetheart. If someone had been violent with them, I have no idea what they would have done.

    My fear was absolutely nothing to what black mothers will be feeling now that George Zimmerman has gotten off scot free for shooting Trayvon Martin to death because he, Zimmerman, was scared.

    If Zimmerman couldn't keep his demographic terror under control, why did he get out of his car? He'd reported Martin to the police, who are trained, and are at least somewhat accountable (being public servants). That was WAY more than sufficient. And that doesn't event get into what a disgusting move it was to report this kid to the police because he was walking in Zimmerman's community.

    What does Roderick Scott have to do with it?

    -- Posted by Have to say on Wed, Jul 24, 2013, at 6:34 PM
  • Well said Have To Say! You should post more often. :)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Jul 24, 2013, at 6:48 PM
  • Actually, DO, I did read the article. It said that Roderick Scott went out because kids were breaking into cars. I don't see what that has to do with George Zimmerman or Trayvon Martin - no matter how much the author of the article insists that they're similar.

    Trayvon Martin was walking home from the store when he was followed by George Zimmerman, in a car and then on foot. The situations are not at all alike.

    -- Posted by Have to say on Thu, Jul 25, 2013, at 1:15 AM
  • George Zimmerman followed, from his car, a 17-year-old boy who was doing nothing but walking down the street. Zimmerman then got out and chased the child on foot. He was not a policeman, and was not identified as neighborhood security. Had I been in Trayvon Martin's place I would have felt terrified and under attack.

    Zimmerman's actions were a provocation. Nobody made him get out of his car and follow Trayvon. In fact, the police dispatcher told him they didn't need him to do that. Zimmerman was perfectly safe in his car. If he'd had any sense he would've stayed there and nothing would have happened. Except that Trayvon would've gotten home safely to give his little brother a bag of skittles.

    -- Posted by Have to say on Thu, Jul 25, 2013, at 10:56 AM
  • The Jury found him not Guilty! (Zimmerman) Don't judge until you've walked in his shoes. Pepper spray would have been OK too! People don't wear Guns to just go out and kill people! They wear it as a deterrant and to save their own life, and others! I would rather be Judged by 12 than carried by 6 in those cercumstances?

    -- Posted by Jo on Thu, Jul 25, 2013, at 12:04 PM
  • I joined a discussion on this Speak Out that was in progress. If it should have been on the political blog why was it here? Why is it OK for comments that agree with the verdict to be here, but not comments that don't?

    To answer you, DO & Jo, Zimmerman got out of his car to chase Martin. Getting out of his car and doing something else wouldn't have been provocative. I understand that the jury of 6 rendered their verdict. I just think they were mistaken. And I also think that if we're going to consider walking in Zimmerman's shoes, we should also consider walking in Trayvon's.

    -- Posted by Have to say on Thu, Jul 25, 2013, at 12:13 PM
  • -- Posted by CWilli on Thu, Jul 25, 2013, at 2:13 PM
  • In your opinion,how bad should an officer be beaten up before its considered Self Defence? When an officer is checking out a person, to see if he belongs in the Neigbourhood i wouldn't think anyone would have an objection,in my opinion, white ,blach,or pokadot! Thats what the man was hired to do! If the officer had a Taser,and Pepper Spray, and thats all, what would he do, if Shot at? There is MO answer other than good Judgment and the Courts?

    -- Posted by Jo on Thu, Jul 25, 2013, at 2:18 PM
  • Jo Mr. Zimmerman was not an officer of the law. He was essentially a self appointed neighborhood watch patrolling the neighborhood. The police had asked him to stay in his car, and report to law officers when he saw something that he considered suspicious. Does that information at all change your opinion?

    Good to see you are still kickin'. :)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Jul 25, 2013, at 2:53 PM
  • Thanks for the link to the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, CWilli. It's an excellent article.

    -- Posted by Have to say on Thu, Jul 25, 2013, at 2:56 PM
  • I have to say what Have to say said. Thanks CWilli. :)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Jul 25, 2013, at 3:29 PM
  • Juror B29 says 'George Zimmerman got away with murder

    SO?

    -- Posted by Armour-of-God on Fri, Jul 26, 2013, at 8:35 AM
  • The Marshall Plaza Face lift looks very good but ... Come on businesses owners, the parking lot looks like a pigpen. After all of the work that has been done out there it would seem that the businesses would at least pick up the trash and litter in front of their own stores. It is an eyesore.

    -- Posted by pitbull on Fri, Jul 26, 2013, at 9:16 AM
  • I wonder how Hardy, the burglar with a criminal record, got the gun he waved at the homeowner - the only gun at the scene. Good thing for him that so many states still have really low requirements for gun ownership - and there's always the gun-show loophole. That probably made his life a lot easier.

    But if the homeowner had had a gun, I'm sure it would have been better. There's no chance he would have gotten shot to death for $2,500 worth of stuff.

    Seriously, though, this sounds like a horrible experience. At least we've got a law enforcement system that's already caught two out of three of the burglars - and it looks like Hardy hasn't been very successful in the past in getting away, judging by his criminal record. Maybe they'll get him soon for this too.

    -- Posted by Have to say on Fri, Jul 26, 2013, at 11:38 AM
  • Hey Okla! I've been having some trouble with this PC! I haven't read everything i could have,in this (Zimmerman CASE),but did make a judgment of how rediculas it began! If he the suspect hadn't ran,if the Officer hadn't got out of his Car,several if's.Like i said before,"IF A FROG HAD WINGS HE WOULDN'T BUMP HIS BUTT ON THE GROUND" If the Neighborhood watch Volunter had been a Police Officer or a PRIVATE CITIZEN would it have changed things? We don't know! i'v seen other things like this,were a SECURITY OFFICER was shot under his left eye filling out a report, he lived, thanks for that! So its all a judgement call. I don't think it changes my mind. Glad your good MY FRIEND!

    -- Posted by Jo on Fri, Jul 26, 2013, at 12:33 PM
  • News: I didn't ask for a Lesson in the Law.i was an Officer for nearly 4 years and never seen the Law operate the way it was intended,in most cases! It could get you killed! But it would be a better world if it did! Thanks for the info my friend!

    -- Posted by Jo on Fri, Jul 26, 2013, at 10:45 PM
  • Zimmerman turned himself into a human balloon during the past year, gaining so much weight that he became a parody of himself. At the time of the tragic confrontation last year, Zimmerman was somewhat heavier than Martin. However, Martin was taller and likely more physically fit. Martin was at that transition age where under some law (like traffic laws) he would be accountable as an adult, but under other law he would be a juvenile, not adult status yet. Calling him a child may be accurate in one way, but it is a less accurate common indicator of age than calling him a teenager. Most responsible parents worry about their teenagers successfully transitioning into adulthood. Martin's parents tried to put him in the new (Sanford) environment for his well being after he was suspended from school.

    Since we have two individuals from minorities involved in this tragic incident, perhaps we should look at this from a "stranger danger" perspective. Likely each person misunderstood the presence of the other. Being followed by a stranger in the dark can engender feelings of risk and fear. But note that the dispatcher in communication with Zimmerman had no direct police authority, did not tell him not to follow but only that he did not have to follow.

    Also note that a Slate writer/reporter has called out ABC News for selectively editing the Hispanic juror's interview. The context in which she answered questions remains to be revealed. Apparently she believes Zimmerman was morally wrong, but the verdict was legally right. And she said she did not approach her decision from a racial perspective. Parenthetically, Hispanic is not a race. It's a language/ethnic/cultural classification. Hispanics may have Spanish ancestors, therefore Spanish surnames. They may come from south of our borders and have Native American DNA such as those who come to this country to work but speak the ancient Mayan language of Quiche, not just Western Hemisphere Spanish. We don't know the nature of Zimmerman Hispanic ancestry, only that his mother is Peruvian. There have been so many inaccuracies propagated by mass media that the general population is confused by much in this case. The jury certainly had more details than we do.

    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/frame_game/2013/07/did_george_zi...

    -- Posted by former editor on Sat, Jul 27, 2013, at 8:51 AM
  • News: I respect your opinion! Were good.I was just making a statement about a news story i diden't know that many facts about! But i do know what is said and what people hear & see, are two different things! If the Law is just, depends on the experience of the Prosecutor or Criminal Attorney! We seen it time after time.There has to be a better system than being judged by your peers. This day and age everyone wants to be a C.S.I.EXPERT and be on T.V.after the Trial ! Thanks my friend!

    -- Posted by Jo on Sat, Jul 27, 2013, at 12:18 PM
  • So much remains speculative regarding this case. "Could have", "may have", "should have" remains in these latest posts here. That it wasn't Martin's father's house is immaterial, but is apparently intended to infer that he somehow had a lesser right to be there, because of this "new" information.

    One slants it one way, another slants it differently, but inevitably the presentation reflects the preconceptions of the poster. Nothing new with that either. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Jul 27, 2013, at 1:36 PM
  • I would say this as tragic as the Martin case is its time to let go. It was not about race or stand your ground it was about self defense. I saw where martin was involved in a MMA fight club. If that is true then it is time to just let go.

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Sat, Jul 27, 2013, at 1:47 PM
  • Jason - I'm definitely OK with letting the Martin case go on this thread. I just think that it's sort of an unfair way to argue to suggest we drop it, then re-state facts as you see them. I'm not sure there's universal agreement that the case had nothing to do with race or stand your ground, but was about self-defense - in fact I know there isn't, because I disagree about those things still. But fine, let's drop this discussion. I think how you see it depends a lot on whose point of view you look from. The case was certainly tragic, I agree about that.

    By the way, what's an MMA fight club? Something to do with Martial Arts?

    -- Posted by Have to say on Sat, Jul 27, 2013, at 5:44 PM
  • There's a really interesting video showing the assumptions of a bunch of people on candid footage here: http://www.upworthy.com/know-anyone-that-thinks-racial-profiling-is-exaggerated-...

    Pretty amazing, huh?

    -- Posted by Have to say on Sat, Jul 27, 2013, at 11:53 PM
  • As I pointed out earlier, Hispanic is not a race. However, Hispanic is a minority group. The major media added false flavor to the tragic Martin-Zimmerman encounter by portraying only Martin as minority. They set this up as a black/white thing instead of announcing Zimmerman's Hispanic identify. However, major media (ABC, for example) pounced on the chance to identify hold out juror Mandy as minority Hispanic. Zimmerman's looks appear similar to folks I know in New Mexico whose ancestors lived there for centuries, having come from Spain, and Spanish is still one of two official languages in that state.

    Teens experiment without their parents knowing. Remember "huffing?" Some teens in our county experiment with pot. The do-it-yourself drug here is meth, and some teens try it. Martin's purchase of Skittles and Watermelon Tea has consistently been portrayed by major media as childlike innocence. However, those are two ingredients in a do-it-yourself drug combination called "purple lean" contrived by Southern hip-hop culture. We'll never know if Martin discovered some of the right cough syrup to add in his father's girlfriend's medicine cabinet. Most of the teens who experiment eventually grow up to be responsible citizens. Sadly Trayvon Martin will never have that chance. But parents can be oblivious. I remember a Slater mom who took her son to a doctor because of his breast enlargement. Doctor asked him if he used pot because breast enlargement is an occasional side effect of marijuana use in young males. Son said no. Mom believed him. His friends said he used. Wonder if Martin's parents knew he used pot, and I'll bet they had no clue about "purple lean" explained here:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purple_drank

    -- Posted by former editor on Sun, Jul 28, 2013, at 7:35 AM
  • Smart Dog - What's a stretch? That Zimmerman was not initially identified as minority Hispanic? That the hold out juror was identified as minority Hispanic? That adolescents experiment with behaviors their parents may not be aware of? That Spanish is an official language in New Mexico? That immigration from Spain predated the formation of some of our states? That pot use in teen males can promote breast enlargement in some cases because of hormone effects? That teens in Saline County experiment with pot? That meth is our do-it-yourself drug? That other types of do-it-yourself drugs are popularized by music icons? That Skittles can be an ingredient in a do-it-yourself drug? That Zimmerman looks as though he has some Spanish ancestry? That major media set up the polarity with incomplete information? That Trayvon Martin's death was a sad outcome of the encounter? What?

    -- Posted by former editor on Sun, Jul 28, 2013, at 8:44 AM
  • "Sarah Palin and Fox News do not speak for We the People, as they claim.

    "

    -- Posted by news across on Sun, Jul 28, 2013, at 6:40 PM

    amazingly, neither do you.

    You seem like a fairly intelligent kinda guy. Arrogant, condesending, and rude, but intelligent. Maybe people would pay more attention to what you had to say if you didn't come off like such an overbearing blankity blank blank blank blank blank. (sorry, ran out of non creative ways to call you obscene names, LOL).

    Serioulsy, you have good info, maybe try putting it out in a non combative manner

    -- Posted by Armour-of-God on Mon, Jul 29, 2013, at 8:40 AM
  • Pope on gays: 'Who am I to judge?'

    Francis opens up about every hot-button issue

    "If someone is gay and he searches for the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge?" he said

    -- Posted by Armour-of-God on Mon, Jul 29, 2013, at 8:46 AM
  • I am aware, News.....Just giving you some good natured critisism. Well, good natured for me

    -- Posted by Armour-of-God on Tue, Jul 30, 2013, at 8:44 AM
  • And I Do love ol Pope Jorge. Seems like my kinda religious leader. All inclusive, preaches love and not seperation based on minute differences in doctorine. All in all, seems like a good Joe so far.

    -- Posted by Armour-of-God on Tue, Jul 30, 2013, at 8:48 AM
  • Armour-of-God:

    I think your message is fine if you would leave out the "blankity blank blank blank blank blank. (sorry, ran out of non creative ways to call you obscene names, LOL" Leaving the overbearing out wasn't a mistake.

    I think if he wasn't so overbearing, I might read a little more of what he has to say. To be fare! News Across is a lot better in this area than before.

    One thing we can agree on (Catholic or not, I am not) is the new pope. He seems to be a great selection to take the church back in the direction of helping the people that need it most.

    -- Posted by World Traveler on Tue, Jul 30, 2013, at 1:15 PM
  • It felt like spring returned -- record low temperatures at the end of July -- air conditioner off for a few days. Cornfields are looking great, and I hope the soybeans have enough rain to do well. Such a contrast from last year's heat and drought!

    -- Posted by former editor on Wed, Jul 31, 2013, at 8:40 PM
  • Which ruling? I love it when folks want to 'get back to the Constitution' but neglect all of the rulings by the Supreme Court that have subsequently defined that document... Can we say "Citizens United"??? THAT Constitution?

    -- Posted by NDII on Thu, Aug 1, 2013, at 9:05 PM
  • The U. S. House of Representatives is controlled by the Republicans. For the 40th time the Republicans have voted to repeal Obamacare. Each time it dies in the Senate. Come on, even Saline County Republicans have to be embarassed by this. Let's see, what else have they done? Nothing.

    That is not representing we the people. Contact your Congress person if it is a Republican, and demand practical action. There is much to be done.

    Note that Congressman Cleaver is not a member of the Do Nothing Party.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/02/gop-obamacare-vote_n_3695871.html

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Aug 3, 2013, at 1:14 AM
  • OKR, Just as you said to do, I contacted my state reps and asked them take practical action. I asked them to repeal Obamacare. Thanks for the suggestion!!!

    -- Posted by Almost Critical on Sat, Aug 3, 2013, at 11:25 PM
  • Thank you very much Almost Critical for sharing your excellent example of the root cause of the Republican House choice to vote forty times to repeal Obamacare. Even though they knew each time that it would go no further than the House exit, and that they were wasting valuable time that should be devoted to attending our nation's business, they have done little else than that. Thus this session of The House is destined to be forever known as the most do nothing session in all our nation's history.

    As I wrote my original comment to which you so graciously responded, I considered concluding it with the well worn maxim attributed to Albert Einstein, "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over, and over again expecting different results". However as the monumental egos of the Republican stalwarts would cause them to cringe at the realization that they would be historically defined as the worst ever, I knew there was more to it. Therefore I reserved Einstein's observation for the constituency that demands such activity from it's Congressional Representatives.

    Of course I am not including you Almost Critical in that castigation. You contacted your state reps. to demand that they repeal Obamacare. They have nothing to do with it. Additional thanks to you for so graphically exhibiting that second problem of the Republican constituency, ignorance.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Aug 4, 2013, at 12:16 PM
  • One of the problems with Obamacare is the reduction in funding to Medicare, and the details of how that impacts the elderly are not generally known. I have been listening to people involved in professional therapy and reading chat on the APTA (American Physical Therapy Association) site. More power is given to agencies that decide if a person is making progress, less to the professionals who observe the patient directly. The amount of documentation required is growing as though paperwork is more important than people. Sadly, this is being talked about as saving money through mortality. In other words, therapies that keep people alive cost more than letting people pass on. That's what some of the pros are saying.

    I also notice that I am now without a family doctor. Two highly accessible older doctors in this area ended their practices. Officially, one could say they retired. One retired shortly after Obamacare passed. The other kept on longer but likely did not want to spend the time and money on the database record keeping now required. He even said his patients did not want their records going to the IRS and some federal agency to be shared everywhere. They wanted doctor/patient privacy. These old fashioned doctors charged modest fees and accepted cash payments. A friend of mine of Medicare age reported a records problem. Someone hit the wrong key while filling out the computer form and gave her an incorrect diagnosis. Being a well educated, detail person, she noticed something on her medical information that most people wouldn't catch and asked about it, revealing the mistake. She asked to have the mistake removed from her record and was told the system didn't allow it. It could only be annotated as a mistake. Because medical records will now be in a database that can be universally shared, people need to know more about what is in their records, more personal control of information instead of faith that a newly mandated system will work to their advantage and be accurate.

    -- Posted by former editor on Sun, Aug 4, 2013, at 4:45 PM
  • Former Editor I could list a plethora of counter arguments to your anecdotal arguments against Obamacare, all fact based, and supported by reliable sources.

    However, that would be agreeing to your circumvention ploy changing the topic. Instead I request that you respond directly on point by furnishing your opinion as to the Republican House of Representatives wasting time by voting forty times to kill Obamacare, each time full well knowing that not a one of of those excretions would make it beyond the exit door of the House.

    What say you?

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Aug 4, 2013, at 8:13 PM
  • Thankyou for pointing out the fact that the state representatives have nothing to do with it. Although not completely correct, I guess I should have said STATE'S REPUBS or REPUBLICANS as I meant. And when the guy or gal, dont want to start a war on women even though the posisition is currently held by a man, who is in charge of overseeing obamanocare is against it for himself then something is wrong.

    On a separate note, to answer a couple of questions you asked Former Editor, if you consider The House voting on shutting down obamanocare a waste of time, what do you consider obama traveling the U.S. campaigning about the economy. All this talk and he has done absolutely nothing. The economy is growing but very slowly and it has nothing to do with him. It has everything to do with Americans being sick and tired of nothing being done at the white house and taking it upon themselves to better their lives.

    -- Posted by Almost Critical on Sun, Aug 4, 2013, at 10:17 PM
  • We have a Democrat representing this area in the House of Representatives. I took the therapy issue there, mentioning the importantce of the CMS and WPS in making decisions for patients based on volumes of required paperwork, not personal knowledge of the patient.

    -- Posted by former editor on Mon, Aug 5, 2013, at 3:48 AM
  • Almost Critical: 1) NONE of the higher level government want the AHCA because THEY pay NOTHING and 'almost nothing' for their gold-standard no hassles healthcare. 2) The Senate GOP has FILIBUSTERED EVERYTHING anyone proposes - even the expense for toilet paper, much less JOBS. In case you forget your high school civics lessons, the President may propose legislation but both houses of CONGRESS have to **AGREE** and actually **VOTE IT INTO LAW**.

    Given the GOP's sick obsession with teaching O not to "step out of his place" and their vicious insistence on punishing the rest of the country for voting for him, whether they did or not, WHAT DO YOU THINK THE CHANCES ARE that ANY laws will be passed, much less any that actually help working class people?

    -- Posted by NDII on Mon, Aug 5, 2013, at 6:54 AM
  • Hab Center on the chopping block if Governor's veto of tax cut is over-ridden!

    Somewhere near sixty percent of you folks who have participated in the current online poll regarding the tax cut are for it, or don't think that it cut taxes enough. It would be justice if some of you who so voted are the ones who lose their jobs when the Hab Center shuts down. Actually there will be even more jobs lost because of the ripple effect.

    You gotta love all the good things that those Republican controlled legislatures, state, and federal, do for folks, well some folks. NO? Well for a very few folks at the top.

    There is something you can do about it folks. Get on the phone, call each of the Republican state legislators that represent a portion of Saline County who has favored this bill, and let them know that if they vote for the over-ride they are toast. If you don't know who they are you will find who they are on the blogs at the left hand column of the home page of this online MDN.

    When you finish doing that call Republican legislator David Pearce (he also has a blog there) and thank him for being the only Republican in the entire House with the vision, and the guts to vote against this heartless monstrosity of a bill. He is a keeper, with the interests of all the folks of Saline County always in mind.

    I haven't yet mentioned the most vulnerable victims of this insane scenario orchestrated by the Republicans, the residents of the Hab Center. What is to be done with them? Are they to be thrown in the lake on the property, and drowned, or only some slightly less bleak fortune?

    Wake up folks, stop this disgusting thing right now!

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Aug 5, 2013, at 12:36 PM
  • Oklahoma Reader

    Well said. Contact your Legislator http://www.senate.mo.gov/LegisLookup/default.aspx/leg_lookup.aspx

    When our legislators are not doing the will of the people, but of Special Interest and the U. S. Chamber of Commerce (not local chambers), we will not sit idly by and NOT speak truth to power.

    WE SHALL NOT be MOVED

    -- Posted by CWilli on Mon, Aug 5, 2013, at 1:01 PM
  • Re: Congressional health care benefits --- they are STILL going to get them... the previous poster rather stunningly misrepresented the situation...

    The article explains: "The problem was rooted in the original text of the Affordable Care Act. Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) inserted a provision which said members of Congress and their aides must be covered by plans "created" by the law or "offered through an exchange." Until now, OPM had not said if the Federal Employee Health Benefits Program could contribute premium payments toward plans on the exchange... Obama's involvement in solving this impasse was unusual, to say the least. But it came after serious griping from **both** sides of the aisle about the potential of a "brain drain." "

    And yes, I am correct: the history, dates and votes BY CONGRESS on the ACA are public record:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient_Protection_and_Affordable_Care_Act

    -- Posted by NDII on Mon, Aug 5, 2013, at 7:04 PM
  • I see that blaming one Black guy for everything is still more worrying to some than 26 MILLION uninsured people who have no options for healthcare at all... "die sooner" seems to cover it..

    -- Posted by NDII on Mon, Aug 5, 2013, at 7:42 PM
  • DO and NDII;

    Save the Date - September 26th - 6 PM - Martin Communit Center.

    NAACP is HOSTING a TOWN HALL MEETING on The Affordable Healthcare Act and Open Enrollment. This is a Non Partisan Town Hall. Regional Director of Health and Human Services to speak to and answer question on ACA and Open Enrollment. There are others invited to share information on Open Enrollment which begins October 1st.

    Pray to see you there--- Each One Bring One.

    -- Posted by CWilli on Tue, Aug 6, 2013, at 12:30 PM
  • Well Mr. President, you better get a grab on your justice department. They just filed charges against someone in that "phony" Benghazi attack.

    -- Posted by Almost Critical on Tue, Aug 6, 2013, at 5:06 PM
  • Everyone get their head out of your a&* ,and blame the right People! Not Obama! If you give him some- one to work with he might get something done!

    -- Posted by Jo on Tue, Aug 6, 2013, at 6:22 PM
  • He's got the senate and lame stream media.

    -- Posted by Almost Critical on Tue, Aug 6, 2013, at 6:29 PM
  • Jo for the first 2 years he had the house too and did not get anything done!

    -- Posted by Gal66 on Wed, Aug 7, 2013, at 6:57 AM
  • I personally think he didn't want to come off Gang- Busters)! I do think he was making an impression of wanting to work with everyone,(being the first black President) I thought that was a mistake.because thats what got him the Job! He should have began his change ,when he first got there,and sat a tone of NO nonsense. But he didn't! And they seen him as vulnerable,and shut him down , with taking the Majority back,with a Voting System that is (a little less than Legal),and still is!! That little wimp Harry Reid had a chance to rid our system of the Filibuster, (that nonsense),and didn't! Until there is a change in all that nonsense,this is all a Joke!! Also go to a Popular Vote,Paper ballots) 51% Majority on all Votes! Does that sound so wrong?

    -- Posted by Jo on Wed, Aug 7, 2013, at 12:49 PM
  • Jo - agree. Harry Reid and most of the Congressional D's are spineless and have no cojones.

    Gal66- not correct, please see following... don't forget Ted Kennedy collapsed at the Inaugural, and O never had a filibuster proof Senate

    http://www.winningprogressive.org/democrats-had-a-filibuster-proof-senate-majori...

    http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2010/09/about-filibuster-proof-majority

    In the meantime, the R's have voted against the ACA 40 times at a cost of $50 million to the taxpayers, voted against any jobs bill, any middle-class tax relief, against women, against elders, against virtually ANY thing that would actually help the people who voted them in while filibustering literally HUNDREDS of bills, and taking more vacations than W and Reagan but in the meantime

    W packed the Supreme Court, who has managed to give the country to the corporations, made dollars for votes legal, gutted the Voting Rights Act, and allowed the States to turn their voting requirements into a vicious new version of Jim Crow, and given corporations a free pass to literally lie to 'consumers' at will.

    CLINTON repealed Glass-Steagall, and set the stage for the transfer of TRILLIONS of dollars of wealth straight into WallStreet's pockets, and NOT ONE BANKSTER has gone to jail. Corporations are now 'people' but have no citizen obligations, so they basically have a license to steal EVERYONE blind.

    In the meantime, the R's have managed to give billions to military contractors, drug=test companies they own (Rick Sanford), book deals to family-members (the Bushes), and ALEC /Koch Industries write the laws for the nation because the 'legislators' are too bloody lazy to read the stuff.

    And 'conservatives' still want to blame the one Black guy in the White House for ALL the ills of the nation that have been accumulating for the last 40 years... puh-leeeze.

    -- Posted by NDII on Thu, Aug 8, 2013, at 5:47 AM
  • NDII thanks for the links.

    I have said all along they all need to be fired and until the big money is out of the game it will never get any better.

    -- Posted by Gal66 on Thu, Aug 8, 2013, at 7:56 AM
  • Gal66, I thought you especially might appreciate something I heard the other day:

    "Politicians are like diapers - They need to be changed often and for the same reason."

    -- Posted by Philemon on Thu, Aug 8, 2013, at 8:21 AM
  • That right there is dang funny.

    -- Posted by countryman on Thu, Aug 8, 2013, at 11:49 AM
  • i have recently read some interesting statements about our higher ranking police officials and city admin. and accusations of corruption. has anyone else seen these emails? if this sort of abuse of office is actually happening i believe we as citizens have a right to be informed of the depth of betrayal by the very people that are trusted to protect us runs. has anyone else seen any of these statements?

    -- Posted by mokey62 on Thu, Aug 8, 2013, at 7:15 PM
  • OMG Philemon you are still around!!!!!!!

    That was very good my friend!!!!!

    Please stay around always liked to see your point of view on these pages.

    Do you still have the same phone number?

    -- Posted by Gal66 on Fri, Aug 9, 2013, at 10:30 AM
  • mokey62 would you be willing to share where you have seen these statements?

    -- Posted by Gal66 on Fri, Aug 9, 2013, at 11:25 AM
  • Yep ... But then the citizens got involved and elected a mayor that was NOT part of the deal ... One by just a snidge ... and the heir apparent called for a recall ... and still lost.

    Now - let's just say some of the folks in city hall don't get along so well ...

    -- Posted by gentle ben on Fri, Aug 9, 2013, at 11:26 AM
  • Well now - that was filled with typos ...

    WON by just a SMIDGE ...

    Sorry typo police ...

    gb

    -- Posted by gentle ben on Fri, Aug 9, 2013, at 11:28 AM
  • Gal66, you can find some of the comments here:

    http://www.marshallnews.com/story/1991651.html

    and here:

    http://www.marshallnews.com/story/1988662.html

    City officials have been hiding their own incompetence in dealing with a situation. The city attorney acknowledged during the sensitivity training that the reason for the training was the lawsuit. What we want to know is why this situation was allowed to reach the point of a lawsuit, and what has been done to correct the problem at the management level, not just punishing the perpetrator, but also dealing with his/her supervisor's failure to deal.

    -- Posted by cmasretire on Fri, Aug 9, 2013, at 1:38 PM
  • cmasretire someone was kind enough to send the letter to me.

    Wonder just how long it would last if it was posted?

    -- Posted by Gal66 on Fri, Aug 9, 2013, at 6:37 PM
  • computer down can read can't post

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Aug 10, 2013, at 1:07 PM
  • Not long Gal, not long at all.

    When the people at the top of a food chain are only in their jobs bc of the "who you know" policy in this town...they tend to feel threatened easily. However if this town actually hired on qualifications and an ability to perform...maybe the City wouldn't continually pay out money on law suits. Additionally maybe qualified police officers would still be employed and wouldn't leave very few trained personnel to handle the constant turn over.

    The problem isn't hard to find, it's eliminating the problem and those responsible for it...for that answer one must look directly at the top to find both answers.

    -- Posted by Scarpetta on Mon, Aug 12, 2013, at 9:09 AM
  • cmasretire I sent the letter on to a few people one of them said they would be willing to put up a little money to help with an investigation or even serve on an investigation committee.

    -- Posted by Gal66 on Mon, Aug 12, 2013, at 10:53 AM
  • Okla, Hope you didn't get any flooding my Friend!!

    -- Posted by Jo on Mon, Aug 12, 2013, at 2:53 PM
  • Gal66, what letter are you talking about? Is there some letter that gets specific about issues?

    -- Posted by cmasretire on Mon, Aug 12, 2013, at 4:08 PM
  • Thanks for inquiring Jo. I am lucky enough to live on high ground so flooding isn't a problem. Earthquakes, tornadoes, hail, high straight winds, and extreme drought are all that have caused us damage. Excepting of course mischief by the most conservative state government in the nation.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Aug 12, 2013, at 7:32 PM
  • cmasretire I have a email copy of a letter that it titled letter to personnel board.

    If you would like a copy all I would need is an email address I would be glad to seen it to you.

    -- Posted by Gal66 on Tue, Aug 13, 2013, at 8:10 AM
  • Congrats to the FFA kids

    -- Posted by Armour-of-God on Tue, Aug 13, 2013, at 2:21 PM
  • OKR,

    In recent weeks have twice noted tv commercials touting OK City's attributes. Placement includes Sunday morning talk shows. Always a prime time to reach business people apparently?

    -- Posted by upsedaisy on Wed, Aug 14, 2013, at 7:23 PM
  • It is good to hear from you upsedaisy. I hope all is well with you. I was unaware that Oklahoma is placing ads on Sunday news shows in other states declaring how great is Oklahoma to do 'bidness'.

    That effort is the antithesis of gilding the lily. If it attracts anything it will be the sort of company that endeavors to exploit third world conditions without the cost of a long haul.

    Actually Oklahoma has all the third world conditions in place including a work force long accustomed to low wages, and an increasing inflow of Latinos which solidifies that there will be no change in that.

    Other inducements to such corporate carpetbaggers are a very low tax rate that will continue to decline, a rigged worker's compensation system that doesn't pay enough to starve on, and a right to work for peanuts law. That is just for starters.

    The state government itself is totally dominated by very "conservative" Republicans. The only real debate is between the Tea Party wing who wants to focus all the legislative time on legislating the legality of de facto hate crimes, and the corporate flunky wing that wants to devote all the time in session to providing additional rewards to their corporate masters.

    The social environment is replete with third world conditions. The latest proof of that is the press release yesterday that Oklahoma is at the bottom of our nation in nursing home conditions, which gives me pause to the point that I now consider hemlock one of my favorite plants.

    It would take a full page to merely list without comment all the other categories that we have sunk to the bottom, or near bottom.

    I am amazed that the Republican legislature in Missouri has the audacity to tell the people that they want to favor the business community as Oklahoma, and Arkansas do, so that they may attract the businesses that otherwise would go to such third world states. I wish the folks back home would take a peek at the standard of living in those states surrounding Missouri before saying hell yea to that flim flammery.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Aug 14, 2013, at 11:56 PM
  • Correction: Oklahoma ranks 48th in nursing home care. Our good neighbor Texas that we emulate was 51st. That change is meaningless when considering the broas view.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Aug 15, 2013, at 12:37 AM
  • (BROAD view, not broas view)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Aug 15, 2013, at 12:40 AM
  • I am compelled to say something to all you folks in my beloved home town, home county, and home state. You, along with Kentucky, Tennessee, and Indiana are the center of an unwanted categorization in our nation. You are Methland.

    While Sheriff George, his men, and other such fine law enforcement officers across Missouri run their legs off, frantically trying to quell the madness, and horror that is Meth and clean up its deadly residue, they are taken away from the more traditional functions that we used to count on, and are still needed.

    What if I told you there is another way to shut this abomination down? What if I told you that it will not only free your law officers to return to there historic duties, but that it would not cost the citizens a dime, and likely would save money. If you believed it you would go for it, right?

    There is a simple way. The one thing that meth makers must have is pseudoephedrine to produce it. There are many ways to "cook" using various products, and new methods are created regularly. There is not a one that will work without pseudoephedrine.

    The simple answer is to return pseudoephedrine in all its retailed forms to a prescription only medication. That is a status it once had. Oregon did so, and meth labs have decreased there by 96%. Even backward Mississippi did it and meth labs have decreased by 74%. It is probable that many of you are now thinking if that is all it takes why in the hell hasn't every state already done that, and also, there must be something wrong with this plan. There is, our nations drug manufacturers sell 605 million dollars worth of it a year. They do not want it to become prescription only.

    Read this link, educate yourself, I will be writing more about how to "git er done" tomorrow. http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/08/meth-pseudoephedrine-big-pharma-lobb...

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Aug 16, 2013, at 1:14 AM
  • In the first part of this extended comment on meth, and Methland of which Missouri is a part, I noted that Mississippi, and Oregon, two disparate states, rid themselves of meth labs by making meth lab's only precursor drug, pseudoephedrine, a prescription medicine. That is fact that can not be refuted. No one can rationally argue that it won't work, can't work, because there is no example they can point to in support.

    Other states including Missouri have tried to do the same, but have been smacked down by the money, and power of the big drug manufacturers. They have been able to do so because the folks that we elect to represent us instead represent the drug manufacturers who pay off enough of them directly, and indirectly to thwart the urgent needs of we the people.

    We must take action, but before we do we should rid ourselves of the patent notion that meth use is all about anorexic, snaggle toothed, druggy, good for nothings that some of us enjoy laughing at and most of us scorn. They are only the highly visible minority of ghoulish, cartoonish direct victims that hide other direct victims from attention. Other direct victims are housewives, and teachers, truck drivers, waitresses, and yes, even law enforcement officers sometimes become direct victims. They all fall down. Some of you hard in the hearts have no pity for even any of these, holding hard to "they made their own beds they can sleep in them."

    Even such folk as you can not honestly ignore the secondary victims, the mothers, children and other family members who live close to the addicts. Then there are other victims even more indirectly connected, for instance the unknowing folks who live next door to meth labs who are in constant danger. The ripple effect spreads wide.

    This plague overwhelms any selfish arguments that if pseudoephedrine is available only by prescription it is an inconvenience to some folks. Please reserve some of your scorn for such folks as that.

    There is some discussion of this subject on the "Speak Out Politics" blog. Please feel free to visit there, even if it is your first time if you have questions regarding this important topic. My next comment will definitely be about what we can do individually, and as a group to end this problem.

    Once again I post the link to important information that will clarify the problem, and the solution to the many dangers of meth labs which can be eradicated in your community, and all of Missouri.

    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/08/meth-pseudoephedrine-big-pharma-lobb...

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Aug 18, 2013, at 12:13 AM
  • Oklahoma,

    Why should we allow otc drugs to only be available by prescription? So if someone has a cold they should have to pay $50 to go to their doctor and pay for a prescription that is available now for $5. That's nonsense and people shouldn't have to pay because some people use something for which its not intended.

    If people are willing to shell out this extra money for cold meds why not shell out the extra money for treatment programs or educational programs on the use of drugs.

    The same argument could be used for guns, knives, etc as they ruin peoples lives when used for unintended purposes. I think people in this country are leaning towards spending less money on the war on drugs rather then spending more in either tax dollars or at their local doctors office.

    -- Posted by cheesehead on Mon, Aug 19, 2013, at 12:47 AM
  • Chickenpotpie, good link.

    I think the honey dilema makes a nice metaphor for life in the new century.

    If we introduce new regulations on the honey industry, politicians will have a field day at the expense of whoever is in the presidents chair, claiming that we have "too much big government" and "over-regulation of business." Then the voters will respond accordingly.

    If we do nothing, we get businesses who, in the name of increased profits, buy illegal honey from China and say "you can't prove it's from China" and "so what, make me stop." And those same voters will say "I want real honey, why doesn't somebody stop that from happening?"

    -- Posted by countryman on Mon, Aug 19, 2013, at 10:12 AM
  • Thanks for sharing CPp. Honey will now become another item that I only buy at our local farmer's market. Yeh, it is gonna cost me more, but sometimes for personal well being, and just flat out doing the right thing it costs a little more. It is also good to support local economies when ya can. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Aug 19, 2013, at 10:55 AM
  • Yup countryman, well said. My reaction to your "And those same voters will say "I want real honey, why doesn't somebody stop that from happening?" is that those same nay saying voters are the ones that will be the first to vote NO at any effort to correct any problem. They are blind to their pervasive negativity, and the poor fools have not a clue as to how to escape it even if they wanted to. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Aug 19, 2013, at 1:46 PM
  • Resuming my series of comments on the effort to make pseudoephedrine a prescription drug in order to stop the proliferation of on the fly meth labs (shake and bake, etc.)that are in Methland, some history of the situation is in order.

    In 2011 the Missouri House of Representatives addressed the issue. A bi-partisan coalition passed the legislation by a vote of 86 to 64. It then went to the Missouri Senate. Led by Rob Schaaf out of St. Joseph, who represents the surrounding area there, it died in the Senate. Senator Schaaf vowed he would filibuster the bill. Such stubborness, and continued pressure from large pharmaceutical companies was the bill's down fall.

    Senator Schaaf's, and his allies' opposition was entirely focused on the opinion that folks should not have to pay the cost of a Dr. visit to get a prescription to get pseudoephedrine based medicines currently sold over the counter, and that there was not an effective alternative to the pseudoephedrine based product.

    They were not dissuaded by such facts that for many consumers it would mean no more effort than to call their family physician, and ask that a prescription be called in to their pharmacy which is a regular courtesy extended without charge by many Doctors. They were not dissuaded by the fact that poorer folks on Medicaid type programs were not going to have to dig in their pockets for a dime.

    They gave no consideration to the grievous harm that the meth labs were doing to our natural environment, nor to the plight of innocent children, and other family members, as well as neighbors to the operations who were exposed, and harmed by the poisons, and explosions.

    They gave no consideration to the plight of law enforcement officers exposed to the hazards of cleaning up abandoned sites, and subjected to the hazards of raiding active operations. They ignored the sky rocketing increase in meth labs that was taking more, and more time from law enforcement's efforts to provide necessary traditional services to their communities. Though feigning cost consciousness on most of their considerations, they even turned a blind eye to the increased costs of attending to the proliferation of meth labs.

    Any reasonable review of the history must conclude that the only thing that mattered to the opponents of reform was that they were not going to allow some of their constituents to have to pay a doctor fee, or be faced with using a product less efficacious than the pseudoephedrine based medicines. End of story.

    Not quite, sometimes stories have a potentially happy ending.

    All these years as Big Pharmacy threw millions of dollars at preventing reform they had an opportunity to spend those millions on product reform. They could have, and should have, been working on research to produce a form of pseudoephrine based medicine wherein the pseudoephedrine was integrated in such a manner that it could not be broken down by the extraction methods of meth labs. They did not, continuing to this day throwing money down the rat hole rejecting reform. That is typical of bloated giant industries whose primary consideration is to make money.

    Meanwhile all these years, a little pharmaceutical research laboratory in St. Louis named Highland Pharmaceuticals was quietly working away at the problem of product reformation while the big dogs as usual avoided the responsibility. Darned if they didn't get 'er done!

    More good news! Highland sold some part, or all their interest in this remarkable product to Westport Pharmaceuticals who is marketing it all over Missouri in CVS, and Walgreen pharmacies, as well as Walmart. It is per their website on the shelf as are other pseudoephedrine based products in Walmarts at Marshall, Sedalia, Booneville, and Higginsville. Somebody; quick, call Senator Schaaf, and tell him he can quit worrying about his sole announced concerns on the matter, now they are null. You might give him a tip at the same time to consider purchasing some of that Westport Pharmaceutical stock.

    Here is a link to Westport's website. It will fill you in on the particulars. http://zephrex-d.com/westport-pharmaceuticals/ The product is called Zephrex-D.

    If you think Big Pharma is going to lay down now, and let this matter go you are sadly mistaken. Don't forget that a cool 600 million a year in sales are on the line.

    That's all for now. When I come back next time I will share how we the people can roll over Big Pharma, and their representatives in the Missouri General Assembly.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Aug 19, 2013, at 5:26 PM
  • WOW!!!!!!! It appears to me that there are some people on here that not only like to complain and argue about everything, but appear to be doing it with themselves. Nine out of the top fifteen posts are from the same person and that person doesnt even live in this state! Worry about your state and we will worry about ours.

    -- Posted by Almost Critical on Mon, Aug 19, 2013, at 8:21 PM
  • I see you still have your usual chops AC. LOL Is that all ya got today? No further enlightenment?

    Good grief.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Aug 19, 2013, at 8:47 PM
  • Much like you OK reader I am getting tired of the same crap. The whole world knows this admninistration is a disaster. You and I cannot change anything until we are able to vote again. Even then only half of us will get it right. So until then I have vowed to try my hardest to not get involved. I would like to restore hope in this country but all of us behaving like loud-mouthed uneducated people will get us nowhere.

    -- Posted by Almost Critical on Mon, Aug 19, 2013, at 9:04 PM
  • Some people are just full of complaints! Lets be respectful AC.

    -- Posted by cheesehead on Mon, Aug 19, 2013, at 10:46 PM
  • Just one question Empress. What is it that makes you follow me around from blog to blog saying derogatory things about me,and telling me what to do? Honestly it feels like an especially creepy form of virtual stalking. Weird.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Aug 20, 2013, at 11:08 AM
  • I'm not biting DO. You should know that by now. It is your choice to waste your time picking at others to draw them into unconstructive exchanges. It works for a while, but will eventually be ignored by all except those who share your proclivity.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Aug 20, 2013, at 1:15 PM
  • I think that suspects in the Chris Lane murder have already been charged with first degree murder. According to your link, Santucci's murder is being investigated and three suspects are under arrest. The allegation that it was done in revenge for Trayvon Martin seems, so far, to be an unproven claim by the victim's brother.

    The reason people complained about the Martin case and it became a media controversy was that Trayvon Martin was shot and killed, but no one was charged with a crime. If Zimmerman had been charged, there wouldn't have been a big deal. But, on the other hand, if the police had been unwilling to charge Chris Lane's killers with a crime, (even if they were sure who they were), I'll bet the media - and people in general - would have flipped out. Same with the Santucci case, if it turns out they can prove their suspects did it.

    The Lane case has gotten a serious amount of attention, even though the police seem to be following up in a completely appropriate way. What should be happening?

    -- Posted by Have to say on Fri, Aug 23, 2013, at 12:35 PM
  • Wow, DO, seems like you want to pick a personal fight.

    To repeat - Martin was shot and killed and nobody was charged with anything. That's what started the controversy. None of the cases you mention have that problem - the police have been arresting and charging people in those cases. And if people end up going free after having killed, I expect a firestorm in the media - but remember, nothing has gone to trial. We don't know what kind of cases there are against people who've been arrested in these instances.

    As far as I can see, the rest of this conversation is name-calling & a fight. What I've been trying to point out is that the objective isn't compassion, it's even-handed justice. And as to who is going to admit first that they're wrong - I'm guessing it isn't going to be you.

    -- Posted by Have to say on Fri, Aug 23, 2013, at 6:04 PM
  • In black on white murder cases, the revenge for Trayvon Martin motivation is more an excuse for violence than a legitimate reason. Has anyone read up on the St. Louis "knockout game" problem? Teenage attacks with fists on innocent people, including old folks. Murder does not require a gun.

    -- Posted by former editor on Sat, Aug 24, 2013, at 2:57 PM
  • The need to find a reason for crime is all ways because we are afraid of the truth. The truth is before welfare the african american family was indeed a whole family then the government decided to take over and like everything else it ruined the family. Welfare made it easy for dads to escape in doing the right thing. This is happen across all races but is more problematic in the african america race. You liberals have had a major impact in the sense of hopelessness instead of lifting a group of people you keep them down and not lift them up.

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Sun, Aug 25, 2013, at 8:37 AM
  • This discussion sounds as if crime committed by blacks is the only violence there is. According to Justice Department statistics, 84% of whites who are murdered are killed by whites: http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf, page 13.

    So when we talk about whites being killed by blacks, it's 16% of the whites who are killed. I've seen no documentation of revenge killings related to the Martin case. They may be happening, but they're probably a pretty small piece of that 16%.

    If white people are worried about getting murdered, their greatest danger is coming from white people. I wonder what the reason is for those murders.

    And if you want to talk about welfare, I can't find any statistics on what percentage of murders are committed by welfare recipients (who are majority non-black, by the way). Do you know of any facts on the subject?

    -- Posted by Have to say on Sun, Aug 25, 2013, at 9:25 AM
  • "The truth is before welfare the african american family was indeed a whole family then the government decided to take over and like everything else it ruined the family." -Jason 69

    And before that the white aristocracy in the south ripped African American families apart selling Dads down the river, and the same even for little children. Don't forget brandings, beatings, castration, and even murder. Then "government" put a stop to that. Thank God for government intervention huh Jason?

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Aug 25, 2013, at 11:50 AM
  • Jason,

    Instead of using the same playbook as Fox news does and playing the race card to try to put down African Americans maybe you should look into the contributing factors such as education, poverty, and discrimination. Then maybe you could actually put some solutions forth.

    Simply letting someone starve or punishing them for their economic situation isn't the answer. We have to stop thinking in terms of colors because we are all Americans and all share responsibility in this country.

    -- Posted by cheesehead on Sun, Aug 25, 2013, at 9:13 PM
  • Amen cheesehead! Well said.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Aug 25, 2013, at 9:19 PM
  • I miss Eric. This paper dies on the weekends with an editor that lives out of Marshall. If Eric had been here there would have already been pictures and info of the fire today.

    Come back Eric!

    -- Posted by hunterfisher on Mon, Aug 26, 2013, at 1:13 AM
  • Cheesehead your a part of the problem you should be giving them opportunities instead of keeping them down.

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Mon, Aug 26, 2013, at 10:55 AM
  • Don't you all think that it is time to put the whole Trevon Martin/Zimmerman case to rest?

    -- Posted by farmer'sgranddaughter on Mon, Aug 26, 2013, at 12:22 PM
  • DO, you mentioned a lot of problems in the post that started with a quote from Jason about welfare. I'm quoting you now (the dots indicate more in your post): "shipping jobs offshore, ... garbage food, the garbage TV/media and the dumbed down school incarceration system ..."

    I agree, those are all serious problems. But when you say that the solution that leftists want is a police state, you're amazingly far from the mark. And saying stuff like that makes it really hard for people from different points of view to try to actually solve problems.

    For example, there's a new trade deal in negotiation called the Trans-Pacific Partnership (the TPP). It's a NAFTA-style pact with 10 or 11 countries bordering the Pacific in talks right now. Info about it here: http://www.citizen.org/TPP, and here: http://www.exposethetpp.org/.

    As we saw with NAFTA, these deals make it much easier for our jobs to be off-shored, along with creating a lot of other problems. If the President is granted fast track authority (which would seriously decrease Congress's ability to consider this deal), it is much more likely that the TPP will pass. By the way, Pres. Bush asked for and got fast track authority in 2002, but it expired in 2007.

    The vote to re-instate fast track will probably be held in late Sept. or early Oct. Right now, people from both the right and the left are working to get their representatives to oppose fast track. I think Rep. Cleaver (your Rep. if you live in Marshall) is against it, but I'm not sure. Call him in KC - (816) 842-4545, or in DC - (202) 225-4535 and find out. This is something that can be done now about shipping jobs offshore.

    But on this blog, calling each other names and making wild assertions about other people's goals doesn't really help.

    -- Posted by Have to say on Mon, Aug 26, 2013, at 4:12 PM
  • (haiku)

    my little dog barks

    it has heard my voice again

    it has heard no words

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Aug 26, 2013, at 10:31 PM
  • And before that the white aristocracy in the south ripped African American families apart selling Dads down the river, and the same even for little children. Don't forget brandings, beatings, castration, and even murder. Then "government" put a stop to that. Thank God for government intervention huh Jason?

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Aug 25, 2013, at 11:50 AM

    OKR, I know how you hate homework, but you will find that the Civil War was not about freeing the slaves.

    -- Posted by DO on Mon, Aug 26, 2013, at 1:26 PM

    It went over your head again DO. I stated that government stopped slavery and its horrors. I did not state that the civil war was started to end the horrors of slavery, thus you again missed the point, and again appear a fool. I tire of coaching you to aha moments.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Aug 26, 2013, at 11:00 PM
  • Amen DO. So, we know that BOTH sides in the Syrian civil war have access to those outlawed poisons. We do not know whether, or not both have used them. We also do not know whether, or not one side, or the other may be framing the other by making it appear the opponent is using chemical warfare to draw support to their cause.

    It is a mess. We should be darned worried about what our intelligence services deliver to us, and even more so how it is construed by the Administration, and Congress.

    It wasn't that long ago that fraud was perpetrated on the American people by our government. It is a pitiful shame that we apparently already have forgotten that lesson.

    Here we go again jumping into war again, and turning our eyes, and minds away from two wars that we are leaving as huge unfinished messes. There is a civil war in progress in Iraq, and one about to begin in Afghanistan as we leave our disasters behind us, and leave the peoples of those countries with our disasters for them to ameliorate.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Aug 27, 2013, at 1:58 AM
  • Whats the Point of being the most powerful nation in the world if were just going to stand by and watch the weak and innocent be killed.

    Psalms 82:3 "Defend the weak and the fatherless; uphold the cause of the poor and the oppressed"

    "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." (Edmund Burke)

    On the USA Dollar that I work hard for Everyday. It reads "In god we trust"

    Our fore fathers in the Declaration of independence wrote:

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.

    Anyone who would stand by and watch men,woman and children be murdered for there Ideas, faith or race, I am ASHAMED to call you my countrymen.

    -- Posted by Selmac8 on Tue, Aug 27, 2013, at 4:15 AM
  • So Selmac where are you regarding the slaughter, and massacres that have been going on in Africa for decades? Should we go there as well, and wage war?

    Do you believe that the only viable answer to stopping other nations' civil wars is to bring more war to them? Why is waging peace such a foreign concept to you, and most of our nation? Is it possible that it may be more effective, and more economical to wage peace?

    Foreigner hunting season for us is about to open in yet another country, though the ever escalating initial bag limits have not been announced.

    Just some things to contemplate as we approach going abroad to kill yet again.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Aug 27, 2013, at 10:45 AM
  • Selmac8, your post, with its quotes, is very powerful. You're right - we should be standing with the weak and oppressed, not the powerful oppressors.

    Syria, though, is very complicated. I don't think we're sure who is doing what to whom. And I don't know what we can do that will truly help the oppressed. Our military action might just strengthen our own global-political interests, and the positions of multi-national corporations - not ordinary Syrians.

    I know that in Afghanistan, our desire to help the Afghanis be free has resulted in a lot of civilians being bombed at weddings, etc. And that's not helping the Afghan people.

    All in all, I don't think any of us truly know much about what's really going on in Syria (beyond the headlines) - and killing people is a terrible and very finite way to show that what we want is to be in charge of things we don't understand.

    We need another approach.

    -- Posted by Have to say on Tue, Aug 27, 2013, at 5:14 PM
  • Selmac here ia friendly reminder to you from the Sermon the Mount. Mathew 5:9 "Blessed are the peacemakers for they shall be called the sons of God." It amazes me how often that passage escapes the memory of some Godly folk. It is an inconvenient truth to many self proclaimed believers.

    As we ramp up to kill some more brown folks again it appears that it is also not a good time for such folk to ask, "What would Jesus do?"

    It is despairing to me that whenever we all get to talkin' another war on these blogs, the only folks to quote Jesus are such as near atheists like me. What's wrong with you folks?

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Aug 27, 2013, at 8:53 PM
  • Cosna Nostra, I couldn't agree more.

    -- Posted by Slater on Thu, Aug 29, 2013, at 12:10 PM
  • DO said this:

    "Slater, it's attitude like yours that gives the President the idea that he can just start World War 3 any time he feels like it.

    We've got beer and big screen TV, why don't we bomb someone!"

    DO, you have no earthly idea what my attitude is regarding the political topics you and others have been posting.

    My post and Cosna Nostra's post were to remind you and everyone else posting politically-inspired comments to take them to the Politics section where they belong.

    You're well aware that this section is strictly for incidental commentary.

    -- Posted by Slater on Fri, Aug 30, 2013, at 6:00 PM
  • I understand that everyone doesn't want to get involved in lots of political discussion, but politics matters so much more than most things - it's not like it's a hobby. Didn't it used to be part of one's civic duty as a citizen of the democracy to stay informed and be involved in politics? I mean, we all have to live by the decisions we make. If people don't want to be bothered, I hate having to live by what they think. If they're not be paying attention, how do they make good decisions?

    So, I hate having politice sequestered off like it's only for people who care about it. If all of us don't care, what is a democracy, anyway?

    -- Posted by Have to say on Sun, Sep 1, 2013, at 6:03 PM
  • HTS it has always amazed me that hardly any of those who grouse about politics showing up on this Speak Out blog, have any thing else to say except go away, often with a nasty tone, or words. That's it, no elaboration on topics that they prefer, and God forbid they make a comment about anything else themselves.

    They just can't seem to make the short leap to realize that if they only could think of something else to say, just anything, they would immediately relegate the political comment they abhor to the back page of Speak Out. It may be that such proactive endeavor exceeds the ability of some of those folks, but I am certain that is not the case for all.

    It is not unusual for this blog to stagnate for days with nary a new comment, but the moment a political comment appears, the uproar starts. It is as if someone has grabbed them by the neck, forcing face to screen, and screamed in the ear YOU MUST READ THIS NOW. A little secret folks, it is not a law that you must read them; there is no penalty if you do not, excepting in some cases fostering personal ignorance which is not without peril. ;)

    By the way I hope you folks get some solace from this comment which has not mentioned politics. Ya reckon it will rain tomorrow?

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Sep 1, 2013, at 11:09 PM
  • I just reviewed the comments on Speak Out back to August 13th. On that date Armour of God made a four word statement "congrats to the FFA kids." On Monday August 19th Chicken Pot pie made a short consumer interest comment regarding the quality of honey with a supporting link. On Monday, 25th hunterfisher made a two sentence non-political comment.

    That is it, no one else had anything else to say that was not in some way related to politics, or was a dig at another commenter.

    I gotta say the trite old phrase comes to mind, USE IT OR LOSE IT!

    Shifting the blame to those who comment about politics is just an excuse to cover the rest of you who are ignoring the real truth which is you just, most of the time, don't have anything to say.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Sep 1, 2013, at 11:36 PM
  • "Vatican Opposition To Syria Strikes Ramps Up, Pope Francis Calls For Peace Vigil"

    Read about it here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/04/vatican-syria-peace-vigil_n_3864827.htm...

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Sep 4, 2013, at 3:38 PM
  • So, DO, I've missed the point, have I? Why do you suppose the newspaper offers separate forums for political and religious discussions? Apparently the silent majority and I have respect for the rules and don't believe it's being unfair to ask that everyone abide. Get this - one of your ilk had the nerve to suggest that I put up a flame-throwing post as a test to see if the new editor would ban me. Pretty disgusting!

    Let me ask you a question: How many people in the White House and in Congress read the Speak Out forum in the Marshall Democrat News?

    It's clear to me that you and the other self-proclaimed oracles are preaching to the wrong audience. Turn your laptops toward the east and enlighten those misbegotten souls so in need of your divinity.

    Go, and leave the rest of us to ponder the blankness of these few inches because we don't have anything worth saying, as was so sagely pointed out.

    -- Posted by Slater on Thu, Sep 5, 2013, at 3:19 AM
  • We have nothing to say?? Maybe there is a reason, everything you say there is a backlash about it, either we don't know what we are talking about, our spelling is incorrect, it did not happen like we thought, you know more about the subject than we do, we are always put down and that gets tiresome, you can't say anything that it not a smart remark, so why bother trying to say anything, our feelings has been hurt to many times, so all you know-it-alls write and complain all you want, I hardly bother to read speak out any more.

    -- Posted by buttons on Thu, Sep 5, 2013, at 9:56 AM
  • Thanks Buttons and Slater for speaking out. It's a start. ;)

    Potential nearly non-political topics for this blog:

    1. Complacency and community. What could be improved about the appearance of Marshall by ordinary citizens banding together. Think David Klemm and the clean up he fostered. What else needs done that can be done?

    2. What are the three best things about living in Marshall?

    3. What are the three worst things about living in Marshall?

    4. What do you like most about the online MDN?

    5. What do you least like about the online MDN? (Yeh I know, people who post political comments on the original Speak Out blog, but other than that?)

    6. Do Marshallites look down their noses at folks in Slater, Sweet Springs, or Malta Bend?

    7. Where do kids these days go for their keg parties? Do they even do that anymore, or do they just sit around alone, or in little clusters texting each other?

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Sep 5, 2013, at 1:13 PM
  • By the way Buttons hateful remarks come from all quarters. I have recently, and hatefully been instructed to leave this blog because I don't now live in Marshall, and that I should just tend to Oklahoma business. I just considered the source, and continued to do as I please. Such nastiness is a far greater indictment of the accuser than the accused.

    On the other hand critical observations regarding the content of one's opinions should be welcomed. If one's opinions are well reasoned they will withstand objective criticism. If not well reasoned we are given the opportunity to re-examine them, and perhaps become wiser.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Sep 5, 2013, at 2:59 PM
  • I don't usually comment on these type of things, but after reading the recent comments, I have to say I'm a little appalled at the lack of respect for others. My goodness, whatever happened to loving your neighbor? I think if ever there was a time for Americans to unite and work together, regardless of differences, it is now.

    As far as the Syrian conflict, I find it ironic that our leaders are so quick to rush us off into another war. Has anyone noticed that we've not officially won a war since WWII? I was young during the first Persian Gulf conflict, but I do remember it. But, as I study history, I can't help but think of all the unnecessary lives that were lost in the Vietnam War, the Korean War, etc. One thing you learn from history is that people never learn from history! We seem to follow the same paths over and again.

    I recently heard that the greatness of a country is not determined by the type of government they have, but by the character of the leaders of that country. I tend to agree with that. After their experience with 'ol King George, our forefathers formed our government with three branches thinking that they would keep an eye on each other. Well, what do you do when they're all corrupt? While some of the worst leaders in history have been dictators, some of the best leaders of history have also been dictators. (I'm not advocating dictatorship by any means.) The answer does not lie in the form of government, but in the morality of their leaders and the people.

    People, I think it is high time to speak out. We need change in our government and in all branches, not just one. We the people need to be more active and less complaining. It's time for everyone to make sacrifices, to work together, to be less greedy, and to start caring once more!

    -- Posted by Missouri gal on Thu, Sep 5, 2013, at 10:30 PM
  • That was a tidy bit of rhetoric, Missouri Gal. I'll second Smart Dog's motion. :)

    -- Posted by Slater on Fri, Sep 6, 2013, at 1:29 PM
  • Alright, DO, it's time for a brief history lesson.

    The political discussion ran hot and heavy in here prior to the 2008 general election, and it continued after the inauguration. It was hard for anyone just wanting to make small talk to get a word in edgeways. People began to grumble, so Editor Crump asked that posts be reduced in length. It was a partial solution but not good enough, so he created a separate forum for political discussions, and that solved the issue. The usage guideline to which you continually refer does not specifically state that posts of a political nature are to be placed in the Politics Speak Out forum. The editor told us what he was doing and why and urged us to comply. Except for a few isolated instances since then, we honored his demand. Now we have a new editor, and it seems that some of you no longer feel compelled to follow the directive established by a person who's no longer here.

    You arrived toward the end of 2012, as I recall, and some of your posts should have been made in the Politics forum. In an effort to keep you from getting off on the wrong foot with Mr. Crump and for your edification, both News and I explained the implied rules and pointed out the proper forum for your posts.

    That's the long and the short of it and anyone posting here prior to your entry can verify what I've just explained. I haven't seen a formal announcement by the new editor rescinding the posting rules, implied or otherwise stated, so, my thought is they're still in force.

    Everyone knows about the other forums and I'm certain anyone who is interested in knowing what's being talked about in there will stop in for a look.

    News and I had a spirited sparring session once upon a time that nearly had us both tossed, so, as to us going "man to man" as you put it, sure, we can do that, but not in here. Feel free to get my email address from the business office.

    Not that it's of any concern to you, I expect my level of disgust and disillisionment with our government fairly approximates your own.

    -- Posted by Slater on Sat, Sep 7, 2013, at 3:00 AM
  • Slater - What government? Been reading headlines about a poll supporting sending our Congress to Syria. So be it. After that, we have the NSA which is saving this communication as soon as I send or type it. Maybe it's hard to keep politics off the front page because of government intrusion in our lives in so many, sometimes sneaky ways. But I agree that serious political discussion belongs on the politics comment section as per Eric. (I'm not Eric, but sure do miss him.)

    -- Posted by former editor on Sat, Sep 7, 2013, at 8:27 AM
  • Slater - ah, the good ole days ;)... yep, I remember when you n news about tore the place apart :D The original Speak Out split into the Politics, and then the Religion, sections and local matters were left to the front page. Seems to have worked over the long haul. Some of those discussions got pretty deep and involved - and long. The current trend toward insulting name-calling short sound bites has been a bit off-putting, but oh well...

    But generally, I agreed with Eric's reasoning and excellent editorial oversight.

    -- Posted by NDII on Sun, Sep 8, 2013, at 12:38 AM
  • Slater your most recent post reminded me of something too long missing from these blogs, your voice. :)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Sep 8, 2013, at 1:13 AM
  • DO - working the bugs out in a new venue is part of the process, and Eric handled it well. Everybody learned and survived to laugh about it. Quit trying to point your holier-than-thou figurative finger at everyone else and look at the 3 pointing back at yourself.

    -- Posted by NDII on Sun, Sep 8, 2013, at 8:23 PM
  • Hello neighbors! How nice it is to see you again! :)

    -- Posted by Slater on Mon, Sep 9, 2013, at 2:07 AM
  • DO, this is the last I'll say on the subject you and I have been small talking over.

    No one elected me monitor, and I wouldn't accept the job anyway. You know and I know and everyone knows the MDN staff will decide about content and its proper place, and they are the gatekeepers - not News, not me, not you.

    I had no business offering you any information, even though it was the type that would benefit the new arrival who might have a reasonable expectation of wanting some bit of orientation. I knew before I did it that it was none of my business, but I thought I'd help out by saving Eric or another staff member the time to explain all those unwritten rules. I did it, you chose to ignore my good intention, and that's the end of my involvement.

    I believe I'll chalk this one up to your zealous fight for truth, justice, and the American way. Nothing at all wrong with that, as long as you don't trample other people who just might be on your side in that fight.

    -- Posted by Slater on Mon, Sep 9, 2013, at 2:41 AM
  • Former Editor,

    You have a good point. I hadn't seen anything about that poll, but I'll vote in favor of the proposal.

    Yes, I'm sure the folks are keeping tabs on us, something that I suspected from back in the days of Richard Nixon.

    I believe that snooping in certain circumstances can be a good thing, but that can go bad if the mission is inherently flawed or the snooper becomes flawed, as I think about Dubya's one-time desire to take possession of every phone record ever existing.

    It's a tangled web we're having to decipher these days.

    Cheers!

    -- Posted by Slater on Mon, Sep 9, 2013, at 2:53 AM
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