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Speak Out [January 1 through April 1, 2013]

Tuesday, January 1, 2013

The Marshall Democrat-News invites readers to share their views and questions on any issue. Open discussions are often useful and enlightening. Criticism is acceptable as an important part of public conversations, but we expect everyone to treat others with respect. Experience suggests it is best not to post comments while angry. We reserve the right to delete comments that we think include personal attacks, are disrespectful, threatening, obscene or in other ways objectionable. Anyone who repeatedly violates this policy will be banned from participating in our forums.

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Wishing all of you a very joyful Easter :)

-- Posted by Slater on Sat, Mar 30, 2013, at 10:52 PM

When is the city going to come repair yards along the curb that they destroyed with the snow blade.

-- Posted by Pasta on Sat, Mar 30, 2013, at 12:59 PM

Hey Jo! Everything is okay. All good for you?

-- Posted by Slater on Sat, Mar 30, 2013, at 12:36 PM

hey Slater were you been? Everything good?

-- Posted by Jo on Fri, Mar 29, 2013, at 8:18 PM

OKR, you're "ruminating" like those numbers infer a significance we should consider. :)

Actually, they do surprise me a bit.

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, Mar 27, 2013, at 7:52 PM

The results at the moment on the Sequester poll are interesting.

Excluding the 23.8% that consider it not a big deal, between those who believe it to be a disaster, or blow(38.1%), and those who consider it necessary (38.1%) we have an evenly split difference of opinion. Hmmmm.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Mar 27, 2013, at 5:38 PM

Thanks Shep, inspired by yours. :)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Mar 25, 2013, at 1:50 PM

litlmissme - The National Archery in Schools program has become immensely popular in Missouri since 2008, and the national tournament for fourth through 12th graders will be held in St. Louis this June. "Hunger Games" gives a whole new meaning to this historic shooting sport. Yes, young people would recognize the heroine's name. The film is not comedic. Sci-fi "Ender's Game" will premier as a movie late this year. Though set in an improbable future, the use of video games as war already exists via remote drone attacks. I hope the movie is as good as the book which poses questions about what are the limits of games as war and where do ethics and remote controlled violence intersect. The younger set will identify with Ender.

-- Posted by former editor on Mon, Mar 25, 2013, at 1:11 PM

I like it OKR ...


-- Posted by shep on Mon, Mar 25, 2013, at 11:45 AM

Let's just say it has been done and it did bring smiles and chuckles to several faces in Mcdonalds. Remember the majority of the employees there are young people who had viewed the movie and got the humor as it was intended.

-- Posted by litlmissme on Sun, Mar 24, 2013, at 1:57 PM

litlmissme - Katniss Everdeen is not a "cartoon" character in the light hearted, traditional sense. Invoking that name related to a violent, dystopian movie is less likely to promote smiles on the faces of McDonald's employees and customers. Smiling/laughing are healthy, not just congenial. I'd never thought of challenging the person on the other side of the register with a harsh "Make my day" style retort.

-- Posted by former editor on Sun, Mar 24, 2013, at 11:00 AM

Uh DO,

Can I offer you some advice.

1.) don't tug on Superman's cape

2.) don't spit into the wind

3.) don't cross Slater

Its just some friendly advice from a guy who knows -- 'cause if you make slater angry, you won't like the results.

OK now that we have that settled....

Let me give you a little history on the Religion Speak Out.

Back a long, long time ago, there was only 1 Speak Out -- this one -- and speak out we did!!

However, there are a number of folks in Marshall who are not interested in reading the many political and religious comments that appeared in this forum. They prefered to keep this forum reserved for comments on local happenings, sports, local politics, ect.

So Eric created the Politics Speak Out and the Religion Speak Out for the convenience of everyone.

Every now and again some political or religious topic ends up back here in this forum, however we try to keep these topics where they belong and leave the front page Speak Out available for local concerns.

Anyway, I will be in the Political Speak Out Forum and the Religious Speak Out Forum if you would like to ask any questions about this or if you have any response you would like to post.

See you there!!

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Mar 23, 2013, at 5:39 PM

former editor:

I want to say my name is Katniss Everdeen. When they call my name I want to yell " I volunteer, and may the odds be ever in your favor!"

-- Posted by litlmissme on Sat, Mar 23, 2013, at 2:25 PM

Jesus Has Returned At Least A Thousand Times

He was there to face a white robed Klan, torches in their hands.

They immediately killed him for opposing all their stands.

And Jesus was in Bagdad at the start of shock and awe,

was blown up by a bomb as he helped the hurt he saw.

And Jesus was at Auschwitz bringing honest news,

was thrown into the ovens with Gypsies and the Jews.

He was hanging on the corner of a harsh city street,

with those reviled that did not work for what they eat,

was caught in a crossfire, just more sacrificial meat.

All around the world at least a thousand times,

Jesus was killed for his at least a thousand crimes.

He always comes among those anguished by last despair,

and dies with them because for those, we can not care.

The next time you hear Kill! Kill! And flush with zealous pride,

pause a moment, ask yourself, is Jesus really by my side?

It may be that your heart and that of Jesus don't coincide.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Mar 23, 2013, at 12:42 PM

Hey, Bugs Bunny - It can be fun to be a cartoon character in west central Missouri. The McDonald's in Marshall and Sedalia along with Burger King in Warrensburg often ask for a name to put on the receipts when filling orders instead of using the receipt number. It's fun to give a cartoon character's name for the cashier to write down. Plus it usually results in a chuckle and a smile. Usually I keep it simple and never use "Yosemite Sam" which presents a spelling challenge.

-- Posted by former editor on Fri, Mar 22, 2013, at 4:59 PM

OK, well if we get to be cartoon characters, can I be Bugs Bunny? I definitely don't want to be elmer Fudd and I don't think I am interested in the Daffy Duck part either. So if no one else has claimed the Bugs Bunny part...well...I call dibs on it!

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Mar 21, 2013, at 5:30 PM

DO, in case you somehow missed a key point during your entry into this section, Speak Out is dedicated to the ruminations of us cartoon characters, as you call us, but make no mistake, your windbag approach is noted by everyone.

The MDN does offer a separate column for political discussion; however, I'm certain you'll continue to plant your "ruminations" wherever you're inclined.

-- Posted by Slater on Thu, Mar 21, 2013, at 4:33 PM

Refining your post DO I would say a cadre of cartoon characters, and now, one troll.

I have been meaning to ask you, what is your connection to Marshall, and/or Saline County? Have you some connection, or have you just been roaming the low lands, and swamps of the internet, deciding to stop here for spite, or respite? ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Mar 21, 2013, at 1:32 PM

UpseDaisy as an eldest child I think that we beat those lower in the birth order all hollow. I offer myself, and my prior comment as nearly unrefutable evidence. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Mar 21, 2013, at 12:33 AM

"Safety Effort Targets Missouri Older Drivers"


As a septugenarian I became quite alarmed when I saw this headline. It struck fear in my slowly failing heart. My reaction time though slower than it once was soon lead me to the obvious; we must do all we can to assure that they do not take our keys away. I resolved that they would not take my keys unless it was from my cold dead hand.

My next thought was of The Declaration of Independence, brought forth on the first Independence day, July 4th, 1776, and its immortal words "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

Buoyed by this assurance that our Creator, and the founders of our nation believed I, and all like me should have liberty, and be able to pursue happiness I was emboldened. After all it would certainly hamper my liberty if I were denied the right to drive. Additionally, what better way could there be to pursue anything, especially happiness than behind the wheel of my side scraped, bumper dented old car?

Thinking next that I needed to get my ducks in a row my thoughts quite naturally segued to guns and their proud possessors. Realizing that gun owners were the group most similarly persecuted I turned to the words of Wayne LaPierre for inspiration.

I now have the faith to know that if Wayne, and his people could shoot down the Pinkos that tried to take away their guns, that we Gray Panthers could put the pedal to the metal, and run over the opposition demanding that we give up our keys, and our cars.

We need only band together, impress upon the Republican Party that they need our votes, and remind them that there is little difference between confiscating citizens guns, and citizens keys. Once we have them in our corner it is a done deal, for if they have not proven anything else in the last several years, they have proven that they can bring any legislation to a grinding halt. We old drivers may not be so good at putting the brakes on, but the Republican Party is a master at at it!

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Mar 21, 2013, at 12:28 AM


Agreed. But who is listening?

My Mama used to say "some folks just talk to hear themselves talking."

Maybe they are all "middle children". Some of us are of the opinion that "middle children" are the great talkers of the world. A friend claims her middle child would talk to the wall.

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Wed, Mar 20, 2013, at 11:12 PM

My sentiment:


-- Posted by Slater on Wed, Mar 20, 2013, at 2:31 AM


I find it disgusting that you would make use of such an accomplished individual's initials. Especially while portraying to follow such far left ideologies. I enjoy the punctuation (or lack thereof). Do you troll much?

-- Posted by ScaredyCat on Tue, Mar 19, 2013, at 3:24 PM

DO - Here's a link to a 2003 story on CNN Money about apparent Rumsfeld involvement and the U.S. 1994 proposal to give two light water nuclear reactors to North Korea in exchange for North Korea giving up their nuclear weapons program. I was surprised that the story was so easy to find and how easy it is for the public to forget. That was a generation ago.


-- Posted by former editor on Tue, Mar 19, 2013, at 10:30 AM

And of course, more false equivalency from DO.

Why am I not surprised?

DO you should work for Fox News where you would fit right in.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Mar 18, 2013, at 4:19 PM


That's a real nifty "headline" ya posted there mate.

Where is the link so we can check it for accuracy, qualification, and timeliness? I have a feeling you left out a very important factoid in that headline statement you made.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Mar 18, 2013, at 4:17 PM

Who won at the Luck of the Irish dinner Saturday night?

-- Posted by RedAngel on Mon, Mar 18, 2013, at 12:53 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Henry and Sharon Mills.

Good post Former Editor, you were on the money (pun intended).

Expanding it further one only need to review the recently released 1940 census to see the many folks from Marshall, and Saline County who were employed in that era by various government programs. A local government run rock quarry was just one of those. Many of the family names that worked in those programs are still in the area today.

It is likely some of those descendants are among those who rail about "guvment hand outs". It is ironic that some of those may partially owe their very existence to what they call "guvment hand outs".

I highly recommend going on line, and for free, perusing that 1940 census. Among other things that will capture the notice of such readers is the closeness in earnings between the top earners, and the bottom earners in the area. It was a range of a top of about five thousand dollars per annum for a couple of bankers, a few at three thousand, a lot clustered around fifteen hundred, down to "guvment workers" at less than eight hundred, and a few at five hundred. My how things change.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Mar 18, 2013, at 12:04 PM

News Across -

Many people here did not want NAFTA (SHAFTA) because they did not want to live with its negative consequences. The political elite for more than a generation worked their will regardless of public opinion. I'm pleased you indicted both Clinton and Bush. When it comes to setting up systems to reward the financial elite, often the two political parties differ only at the margins or on fringe issues.

The Clinton administration brought us NAFTA along with the "landmark" trade agreement with China, other trade agreements and the demise of Depression Era Glass-Steagall. The Glass-Steagall act separated commercial banks from "investment" casinos, preventing Wall Street gambling with other people's money. The end of Glass-Steagall protections greased the way into the financial crisis from which we have not recovered.

When we look at FDR's record, we find that some things worked and others did not. Sadly, the present administration seems to have not learned from that history to implement programs that help. The CCC and electric infrastructure building are examples that left a positive legacy but were not implemented in a modern version now. Instead of the 30-some-page Glass-Steagall law, we now have the Dodd-Frank deal that is 100 times as long, creating confusion and loopholes which will provide employment for accountants and attorneys but not foster safe growth and middle class jobs.

-- Posted by former editor on Mon, Mar 18, 2013, at 9:13 AM

Oh well,

People come and people go, and it's nice to cross their paths. Sometimes people go then people come (right News?).

Anyway, it's fun to read peoples' comments here, but for the most part, it is an opinion board, and that keeps the content light enough that you can basically plug in another with similar comments and start the whole thing all over again.

I too, remember JJ. His posts were by far the best on the board. I'll never forget the one about the black helicopters following him around. Good stuff.

-- Posted by Interested Too on Mon, Mar 18, 2013, at 8:04 AM


Smokin' Cheetah requested his account be deleted and all his comments with it.

-- Posted by Eric Crump on Mon, Mar 18, 2013, at 7:45 AM

Well, Smokin Cheetah's comments have been removed from the blogs, all of them, old, and new. In my opinion it was his choice to have them removed. Whether that is true, or not the fact remains that in my further opinion a lot of those who read here will miss his comments.

Sometimes folks are expelled from these blogs for their mendaciousness, or their head strong refusal to obey the necessary rules. In most of the cases when people have left my parting thought has been good riddance. I can think of only two exceptions to that.

One is Smokin Cheetah, if he was expelled.

The other was JJ Gates in the early days of the Speak Out blog. JJ's personality often exploded from the page when one read his comments. He was irascible, colorful, witty, and humorous. He also exhibited multiple personalties, real, or imagined, with different names for each personality that he wrote under.

On the negative side he was insulting, risque at times, and could not resist pushing the envelope over the edge. None of that was a part of Cheetah's agenda.

I regret not having the opportunity to re-read Smokin Cheetah's past comments, as I do JJ's. It is a sad thing to not have an opportunity to re-visit past pleasantries.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Mar 17, 2013, at 11:44 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
You are correct. Smokin' Cheetah requested his account be deleted and all his comments with it.

former editor,

That is sad job news indeed, and it certainly does not speak well for "free-market" (formerly known as Classical Economics) economic theory.

I wonder how many folks in Boonville and Poplar Bluff supported NAFTA back when Bush and Clinton thought it was a great idea, and how many of them support it now?

Personally, I predicted at the time when NAFTA was a new idea that it was going to prove to be a real bad idea in the long run. I still think NAFTA is a real bad idea. I guess that is how the ol' free-market cookie crumbles.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Mar 17, 2013, at 12:44 PM

Bad news, indeed, former editor. Another "American" business to add to the boycott list.

-- Posted by Slater on Fri, Mar 15, 2013, at 6:10 PM

Wow. The bad news under "State News" on this morning's website is that NORDYNE is closing its Boonville and Poplar Bluff plants, transferring manufacturing to Mexico. Boonville will lose 200 jobs.

-- Posted by former editor on Fri, Mar 15, 2013, at 9:10 AM

Ah News, get over your pout, and come on back. Some of us miss you, and discussion with you.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Mar 15, 2013, at 1:30 AM

Be afwaid. Be vewy afwaid. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4nSbnaVR...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Mar 13, 2013, at 12:47 AM

DO, elbowing your way in is what I believe occurs when a few of the regulars offer responses to your entries. I would say make yourself comfortable at the trough, but it appears you've done that already. :)

-- Posted by Slater on Tue, Mar 12, 2013, at 12:50 PM

Thanks DO, and a belated welcome to these blogs. I think that you have some interesting perspectives, and may prove to be a bit of a different voice on these blogs. I am all for diversity.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Mar 10, 2013, at 11:35 PM

I must say that despite our recent disagreement that I enjoyed much of the stuff that News presented. He and I were in allied positions most of the time regarding politics. I am certain we had more differences in style of presentation, than in what we each were presenting.

Gee, that sounds like an obituary. Oh well I have heard that people may rise from the dead. ;)

I also think he is getting a bad wrap on the drone murder issue. I believe those that think he supports the government's position on the subject are in error. We should not confuse his extended effort in various ways to promote the fact that Obama, and Congress had the stamp of approval of the Supreme Court's interpretation of the Constitution to do that nasty stuff, with support for that nasty stuff. He definitely was on record on these blogs when the murder of an American citizen, and his innocent American son occured (executed by drone) in the middle east, Yemen wasn't it? He has since been consistent regarding his opposition to such perniciousness.

Fair is fair, that's it.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Mar 10, 2013, at 11:30 PM

I think some clarification is needed here. News has left the forum because he got sick of his position being twisted (he never ever stated that the president can murder whom he liked). He is also very, very concerned about Rand Paul's motives as you all should be. I have not contributed to this because except for a few rational people, I have been subjected to the 'you are not an American' taunt many times and that is very disturbing to me and sort of reinforces the belief that it is ok to kill 'aliens' with drones but not Americans. The drone program should be discarded immediately, but the good people of Marshall should also be vigilant about extreme right wingers and their intent to split up your country.

-- Posted by aussie wife on Sun, Mar 10, 2013, at 8:51 PM

"Do", not all Progressives favor the Drone murder policy. I think you may appreciate the following link. http://trueliberalnexus.wordpress.com/20...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Mar 10, 2013, at 7:57 PM

Viewing the opposite side of the coin, here's what I think about the droning going on over the drones:


"...Paranoia strikes deep

Into your life it will creep

It starts when you're always afraid

You step out of line, the man come and take you away..."

-- Posted by Slater on Sun, Mar 10, 2013, at 7:14 PM

I am total agreement that we as a nation need laws when it comes to drones I don't like the fact that some cities have them up in the air spying on us. I don't like the fact that drones make the military less cautious on how they use them. I think we as a nation need to hold our leaders to a higher ethical standard when it comes to killing our citizens.

And btw I am not on here a lot because I have 3 special needs kids so I am busy.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Sat, Mar 9, 2013, at 1:45 PM

And how about his 16 year old son, an American minor, also the victim of a targetted killing. Is it just OK to execute American children, even though they are not wanted and there is no evidence to even arrest, them as long as they are Muslim?

My my my, where were you and Randy when we really needed you?

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Mar 8, 2013, at 6:28 PM

Oh and Jason,

Al Awalaki was not a foreign anything. He was an American citizen, born in the United States, raised in the United States, and was a full citizen with exactly the same Constitutional rights as you.

Where were you and Randy when that American was killed by the Government?

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Mar 8, 2013, at 6:24 PM


There was no warrant out for his arrest, no grand jury had indicted him nor had a grand jury been convened. The Obama Administration said publically that they had no evidence to tie him to any terrorist attack.

What about his habeas corpus rights? He wasn't even wanted!

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Mar 8, 2013, at 6:21 PM

They are putting him on trial for conspiracy for planning I hope they have strong evidence because if it is just talk about the act he should be let go.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Fri, Mar 8, 2013, at 6:18 PM

When we take a terror suspect like the one that just had court in New York we can not gain valuable intelligence because now they are protected by a court of law that is meant for criminal acts. I think that he shouldn't even be on trial because he is not accused of killing an american he just accused about talking about how happy all of Al Queada was of 9-11.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Fri, Mar 8, 2013, at 6:16 PM

I was probably busy with my special needs kids. I think there is a problem when we say it is ok to kill us terrosist overseas yet capture foreign ones. I do believe that foreign terror suspects are pows which is different than a crime we should be able to question them without legal counsel and they should not afforded the same rights as a citizen when it is terror related. Because to me its like an act of war.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Fri, Mar 8, 2013, at 6:13 PM

Sooo...can anyone tell me if the coffee shop that opened last year (Espressions?) Is still open?

-- Posted by koeller77 on Fri, Mar 8, 2013, at 5:49 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
It's not, but a new coffee shop has opened in the same spot, Cafe.com.


Yeah I think so too mate.

Where was your voice when the United States executed Ahmad al-Alawi?

There was no warrant for his arrest, no grand jury Indictment, and not 1 shred of evidence against him.

Yet you said not one single word in this forum demonstrating your outrage at his execution nor did you complain when they executed his 16 year old son -- also a natural-born American citizen.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Mar 8, 2013, at 5:45 PM

I would say that Americans have a right for due process and the government should not be an executioner with out a court order.. I believe that having a drone program without laws that would protect our rights is a dangerous power for a President to have rather Republican or Democrat.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Fri, Mar 8, 2013, at 9:11 AM

Oh and DO? Just one more thing.

Randy's dance was kinda funny actually.

I mean talk about entertainment lol lol lol....

Its just another case of a con telling us that white is black, up is down, right is wrong.

Randy acts like this is the first time anyone thought about it -- the fact that the President of the United States might, when duly authorized by Congress, use military force to subdue an armed insurrection in an area of the United States that is no longer under a functioning federal court because the area is in the control of the insurgents or under no control at all.

I think he is a bit late mate...153 years too late.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Mar 8, 2013, at 12:45 AM


Yeah you say I am wrong but the Supreme Court says I am right mate.

The Supreme Court, in Ex parte Milligan, 71 U.S. (4 Wall.) 2 (1866), ruled that (1) Congress has the sole right to suspend habeas corpus and (2) can only authorize said suspension in areas where there is no functioning civilian court.

Read 'em and weep mate.




-- Posted by news across on Thu, Mar 7, 2013, at 11:58 PM

The plane looked similar to this:


-- Posted by litlmissme on Thu, Mar 7, 2013, at 2:56 PM


See "Ex parte Milligan and you will find your answer (even if you don't like the answer).


-- Posted by news across on Thu, Mar 7, 2013, at 1:45 PM

What did the strange looking aircraft look like. Two week's ago I thought I saw a F-117 took my eye off of it and then couldn't pick it back up.

-- Posted by Marshall Man on Thu, Mar 7, 2013, at 10:05 AM

No Saturday (junk) mail delivery, eh?

Hmmmm...Do you suppose it'll be a day off with pay?

-- Posted by Slater on Thu, Mar 7, 2013, at 2:15 AM

Did anyone see a stange looking aircraft just west of Marshall between 130 and 230. It was flying straight west. Just curious, what type plane is was.

-- Posted by litlmissme on Wed, Mar 6, 2013, at 4:56 PM


As an Economist, my interest is Economics.

I am not trying to convince anyone of anything. The empirical evidence and other data speak for themselves.

As regards economic change, well capitalism has a definite end-point at which it will collapse because it cannot sustain itself in an environment of long-term, significantly decreasing consumption. Given the rapid increase in scarcity of natural resources as a result of overpopulation, Economic Demand will ultimately decrease to the point where deflationary pressures grow geometrically and the economy collapses, ceteris paribus. Like capitalism's predecessor, Feudalism, capitalism will no longer be a viable economic system at that point.

So I don't need to convince anyone of anything mate. I am just laying out the economic facts.

I suppose we could ignore the empirical evidence of past economic collapse. We could pretend the French did not reach the point of economic collapse where it was no longer possible to feed the masses. We could pretend that didn't launch a revolution. We could pretend the Russian and Chinese revolutions never happened. After all, who or what could ever have convinced any of those folks to launch massive revolutions?

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Mar 6, 2013, at 1:18 PM

Hi Upsedaisy,

Yes, I do have a memory of Winter 1951, and what's most vividly recalled is my sister skating on the iced-over side yard.

My dad built our house in 1938 (located on the northwest corner of Jenkins and Euclid Streets), and I'm pleased to report that it's still in the family, in a manner of speaking. It's now owned by the son of my cousin.

Jenkins Street runs east-west and at the intersection with Euclid, it descends to the west for a long block, absolutely ideal for sledding once the snow got packed down. I'm guessing it's still a popular sledding hill.

I remember that Main Street and Broadway were the only two that were cleared, Broadway being the north-south route through town between 240 Highway and Route C which led toward 41 Highway and Miami. It was always a challenge to observe the stop signs before crossing Broadway without getting stuck in the snow that was piled up from the grading.

Since the conversations began about the power outages, I've been trying to remember any times that it occurred during my days up there, and I still don't remember any, but that's not to say it never happened, of course.

I'm glad it doesn't snow here, because we'd probably be without power most of the winter if it did. As it is, a brisk wind is enough to knock it out - literally.

By the way, I had some ribbon candy during the holidays. :) It was forgetable, and now I'll just stick with the memory of it from long ago.

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, Mar 6, 2013, at 11:08 AM

That's all well and good, News, but in America socialism is a bad word.

So is China.

So good luck convincing the average voter that we should transform our system into something that resembles Chinese socialism.

It's a non-starter regardless of merit.

-- Posted by countryman on Wed, Mar 6, 2013, at 8:02 AM


Actually, capitalism is designed to funnel most the wealth and control of all resources to the 1%.

Claims that socialism lacks motivation, a notion based in a model known as "Taylor's Scientific Method of Management" -- a model that went the way of the Dodo bird in the early 20th century -- were put to rest we learned that the workers have other motivations besides money (see Westinghouse Study, circa 1920s for more on this).

In addition, modern models of democratic socialism offer tremendous potential for competitiveness and motivation for hard work -- including the potential for a much higher standard of living for the 99% than that which capitalism is providing in the USA currently.

Economist Richard Wolff offers us a glimpse into modern socialism while the economic success of modern democratic socialist nations such as Sweden and Norway provide the empirical evidence to suggest that the modern democratic socialist model can and does work well. In addition, the socialist model at work in China puts the American capitalist system to shame (see Deng Xiaoping "The Plan" for more on this) and demonstrates the capacity of socialism for economic success.

"Capitalism Hits the Fan"


"Austerity Programs"


"China's economic success sets an example the world should follow"


"China's 12th Five-Year Plan:Strategy vs. Tactics"


"China's Development Plans Lead World, BRICs"


So,...how's that capitalist system working out for ya there in the States mate (40 + million living in poverty, 5-6 year cycles of boom to bust, and extremely high unemployment) ? If you work for a living then you may not feel that capitalist system is working well for you -- especially if you are one of the poor and unemployed.

I know its easy to sit back in the USA and think that the whole World is suffering just as much as the USA -- and many nations are -- but the fact is that the socialist nations are experiencing huge economic success. Even in nations such as Australia that utilize a mixed approach (Guided Capitalism/ Keynesian Model) where we have far more social programs, such as our socialized medical care system, than the US has, the economy is doing very well relative to the US. In fact, our Keynesian approach in Australia has resulted in a boom that has really stood the test of time and resulted in the 2nd best economy in the World. Compare that to the Neoclassical approach of America mate.

"Australia the world's second-best place to be born: study"



"The Happiest (And Saddest) Countries In The World"


We Americans don't have to settle for increasing unemployment, increasing poverty, and the disappearance of the American dream. There are other economic models out there. There are other very successful economic approaches that don't enrich the fat cat 1%ers at the expense of the 99%.

Perhaps what America needs is a whole New Deal mate.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Mar 5, 2013, at 4:11 PM

Excellent link, Oklahoma Reader.

In a capitalist system, given long enough, the money flows to a ever smaller and smaller group. That is the nature of business, the big fish swallow up the little fish, and then each other until there is only one fish left. There are great examples of that in late 19th century America, where a handful of names virtually owned the entire country.

Next comes the explaination of government's role in the regulation of business so it does not consume its-self, and the redistribution of all that wealth.

Super-conservatives think the capitalist machine should just keep right on pumping all the wealth into an ever smaller group of pockets, and then everyone else can live off whatever crumbs fall out of those pockets. Sooner or later, one guy owns everything and you have an oligarchy.

Ultra-liberals think we should take it all away from everybody and spread it in a nice even layer over everyone. This results in a bunch of dependent, useless folks who have no idea how to actually work, create, or think for themselves. Those who do wish to excell through hard work quickly realize there is no advantage in out working the next guy as the outcome is already predetermined.

Reality says that neither group is right, and that there is a role for government to play in the regulation of the economy and the redistribution of wealth. Rewards must be provided for those who work hard, and an ever increasing standard of living for everyone should be the outcome.

Sadly, one of our political parties has been purchased by the 1%'ers, and they have run a most excellent psychological campaign to convince the citizens most harmed by neoconservative policies that unbridaled capitalism and deregulation is good. It was done mostly with emotional arguments that prey on naive intuition and non-secularism but lack logic, reason, or justification.

Following 2 or 3 decades (Reagan, Bush I, Clinton, and Bush II) of conservative domination of economic polcy, it makes even the hint of the value of redistribution seem "way, way out there on the left" and results in cries of "Socialism!"

The end results of our love of all things capitalist and conservative in America for a couple of decades have resulted in the vast inequalities demonstrated in the link posted by OKR.

Of course, if you are in that top 1%, well then you don't want to see anything change, and you have the funds to try and make sure that it doesn't. Adelson, the Koch's, and several others have made it their mission to make neoconservative policy into the law of the land.

Of course, a question remains. How do you wake up a public that doesn't want to be awake?

Or better yet, how do you undo the decades of nationwide campaigning that aimed to convince the populace that God votes Republican and the devil is a Democrat?

-- Posted by countryman on Tue, Mar 5, 2013, at 2:29 PM

Hi Slater,

You may remember the snow and ice at Christmas, 1951. We were snowed in at my aunt's home near New Bloomfield. Again, oil lamps were pressed into service and wood stoves kept us warm until the highways were cleared.

From the pictures, we can admire the snowy beauty of Marshall's landscape, but we also know hasn't been easy on those facing winter's chill. Sending warm wishes for spring soonest.

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Mon, Mar 4, 2013, at 10:52 PM

Note: Scroll down to second picture, then click on it.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Mar 4, 2013, at 6:30 PM

For all of us left, center, and right who wonder what is wrong with Marshall, or anywhere else; and who wonder why the average folks in Marshall seem to have such a tough time making ends meet, let alone putting anything back in savings, here is the answer in an easy to understand six minute animated video. It is guaranteed to make your blood boil. http://www.dailyfinance.com/on/Wealth-In...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Mar 4, 2013, at 6:23 PM

Hello Upsedaisy,

Nope, I don't remember the 1935 ice storm. :) But I do recall a few later ones, the kind that made the big Elm trees across the street in Susie Hickman's yard groan fiercely in the wind. What an eerie sound it was, too!

Well, your uncle did a super job with the power plant, and he must have been a good teacher, since those whTo followed him carried on the tradition.

We seem to have lost a lot of the pride that went along with a job well done. I don't see that attitude exhibited much anymore.

-- Posted by Slater on Mon, Mar 4, 2013, at 12:44 PM

Come on, America! It's time!!!!!


-- Posted by Slater on Mon, Mar 4, 2013, at 12:17 PM

The posting and updating of closings and postponements has been highly useful.

On the roof collapse list, the roof of Gilliam Chemical & Fertilizer's larger metal building in Gilliam is inverted, pointing down instead of up, but the walls appear solid.

-- Posted by former editor on Sat, Mar 2, 2013, at 10:58 AM

Eric and others,

The snow pictures are terrific. You are braving the elements to keep us "in the picture". I had chills just looking at them.

Loved the one that shows Jim the Wonder Dog has changed from hunting/setter dog to a "Sheep" dog.

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Fri, Mar 1, 2013, at 10:17 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Thank you! I'm proud of the work Kelsey and Carlos did this week.


I predate you--1933. My earliest memory Dec '35 is of an ice storm that left us w/o power. We had a "stove" in the living room which heated our very small home. I don't recall how long the outage, but do remember being fascinated by the candles in the ruby red candleholders. (Still have the candleholders and they have proved useful in summer and winter storms).

Would like to believe that the town of Slater's steady electrical supply was due to the expertise of my great-great uncle Roscoe Howard who managed the power plant in that era.

It does seem to take much more time to restore services, power, cable and telephone.

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Fri, Mar 1, 2013, at 9:40 PM

To put curious minds at rest, those who declined the warm home and meals, did indeed have other arrangements made with near by relatives. We offered our home, none the less.

-- Posted by litlmissme on Fri, Mar 1, 2013, at 3:26 PM

I know some people in the country don't want to leave their homes unoccupied when power is out...and I don't blame them. I wouldn't either. You won't starve eating cold sandwiches and most homes are able to keep the temp respectable with minimal heat sources.

-- Posted by outsider on Fri, Mar 1, 2013, at 10:00 AM

Probably already had made other arrangements. Something would most definitely be amiss if they chose to be cold and hungry.

"Thanks, but we have a spot reserved at Applebee's, in the non-smoke section. They're always open, you know!"

-- Posted by Slater on Thu, Feb 28, 2013, at 8:46 PM

I was born and raised in Saline County (Slater, Dec. 1941), and I cannot recall one instance when we were without power, not one single instance, during the 18 years I lived there before leaving for the Army. This doesn't mean it never happened, but I sure can't recall of it.

Power outages nowadays seem commonplace, and that's very puzzling to me, since we're led to believe that technology is so much more advanced now. If that's truly the case, then perhaps there's another obvious answer.

-- Posted by Slater on Thu, Feb 28, 2013, at 4:56 PM

Yes, that is exactly what I was told. My husband tried to call as well and was told the same thing. The nursing home was in Saline County and was not thier problem. We needed to call Saline County...pitiful!

-- Posted by litlmissme on Wed, Feb 27, 2013, at 4:54 PM

They had LIMITED power, yes. However, it was cold in there. Nursing homes and hospitals in my opinion should be top priority!

I don't feel there is any excuse why the electric company still is not answering the phones. We will attend the next board meeting and address our concerns!

I had my hands tied as to what I could do myself, our road had yet to be plowed out and was impassable.

I did what I felt was productive, trying to contact emergency personel that should have cared!

Thank goodness at least Saline County, said they would get the hyway patrol to deliver the message.

As far as the other people still out of power, we offered to open our home to them and provide meals, but they have declined.

Yep, it was a bad one, but I can say I did all I could to help others. Not once did I complain that our power was out, we were getting by just fine!

-- Posted by litlmissme on Wed, Feb 27, 2013, at 4:52 PM

litlmissme - Are you saying the Pettis County Sheriff's Department refused to send a car three miles north from their office to deliver a message in person to Central Missouri Electric Cooperative's office?

-- Posted by former editor on Wed, Feb 27, 2013, at 4:26 PM

Your telling me that a nursing home does not have a back-up generator? Stop trying to put the blame on everybody else and DO something productive for once! It was a BAD storm that could have been alot worse!

-- Posted by willie makit on Wed, Feb 27, 2013, at 4:06 PM

Totally unacceptable; Golden Oaks nursing home was with out electricity from 109 am until around 1030 pm last night. To make matters worse; the telephone line was constantly busy and still is (Central Missouri Electric).

We called Pettis County Sheriff's office to see if they would have a road car stop in as they were going by there to let them know there was a nursing home without power. They said the nursing home isn't in Pettis County, and it's not our problem so we should contact Saline County and they could send a car. We did and they said they would see if they could reach a hyway patrol and have them let someone know.

There are still people's homes in this area with no electricity and no-one is answering the phone, all we get is a busy signal.

-- Posted by litlmissme on Wed, Feb 27, 2013, at 3:27 PM

Went to the Marshall post office this morning to put some things in the mail. The lobby was locked up and dark at 9:45. Guess we aren't getting mail today?

-- Posted by momaster on Tue, Feb 26, 2013, at 10:45 AM

I was informed when I was a little child that if you pour salt on a bird's tail you can catch it. You might try that.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Feb 26, 2013, at 10:20 AM

Motor-man - just dust off the ones you can grab :)

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Tue, Feb 26, 2013, at 9:13 AM

Kathy,I can't catch any birds to dust off. They are too quick!

-- Posted by motor-man on Tue, Feb 26, 2013, at 8:25 AM

If you're feeding birds, be sure to dust the snow off them - our little feathered friends are having a tough time getting breakfast today!

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Tue, Feb 26, 2013, at 7:28 AM

Good morning, all. I've just been outside shaking the snow off a small tree in our front yard. I was too late for a couple of the larger branches already broken by the weight of this heavy snow. If you are able, you may want to bundle up and do the same. But do be careful!!

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Tue, Feb 26, 2013, at 6:29 AM

Any news on trash-pick up re-scheduling?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Mon, Feb 25, 2013, at 10:40 PM

A concept that the Zimmer Plan missed that prospective local entrepreneurs should be ready for. The pending collapse of big box stores, and resulting local opportunity.

Read at this link: http://www.alternet.org/economy/after-ru...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Feb 25, 2013, at 10:19 PM

Hey Jo!

Those were the days, weren't they. That bobsled we used got a fair workout, and, yes, being at the back provided some pretty good thrills every now and then, along with a few scrapes and bruises. :)

How's the new year treating you?

-- Posted by Slater on Mon, Feb 25, 2013, at 6:18 PM

Yes Kathy, I do appreciate your point. Even a minimum wage job is better than no job.

That is one of the problems with deflationary periods. Labor has a gun to its head because demand for labor is either decreasing or rising but very slowly.

That was something FDR was fully aware of and he did something about it because he knew those men would consume in the same area as well creating even more jobs in the private sector.

My Dad tells me it was the CCC that built the swimming pool up at the park. Where do you think the labor for that came from? If you said Marshall, give yourself a big gold star.

Maybe what America needs is a New Deal?

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Feb 25, 2013, at 3:40 PM

newsacross: You're right, yes, they might be minimum wage jobs, but at least they are jobs. And there's no guarantee that even a very large corporation wouldn't also pay minimum wage. The point is that we are NOT going to get big factories to come here. I'd love to eat those words someday, but doubt that I will. We are not positioned well geographically for that to happen. Smaller jobs are still jobs, still keep the engine running, still do people some good, though. And if they are tech jobs, more likely to pay better wages. Smokestacks just are not in the cards for us.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Mon, Feb 25, 2013, at 3:04 PM

Shouldn't a story on a winter storm warning be on the free side of the pay wall Eric?

-- Posted by Selmac8 on Mon, Feb 25, 2013, at 3:56 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Yes. Fixed. Thanks.

yes, Slater i remember hopping car and holding on too the bumper! We got around that way. Dangerous but fun.Or someone hooking a long bobsled too the back of their Car,don't get on the end of the sled!

-- Posted by Jo on Sun, Feb 24, 2013, at 8:36 PM

Tv just said 8 to 15 more inches on the way, Monday night into Tuesday morning.

We had a pleasant surprise with the last snow. We stayed in town so we could get to work. A truck full of boys stopped and helped us dig out to get into our daughters driveway. There are good kids out there. The best part is they refused money, they said they were just out having fun! Thank you boys, yor kindness was a blessing!

-- Posted by litlmissme on Sun, Feb 24, 2013, at 6:42 PM

Anyone remember the days when the streets never got graded? Mother Nature solved it with sunshine and warmer temperatures, and, in the meantime, we took advantage of the conditions to go sledding on the streets.

We've grown up to be the biggest bunch of softies on the planet.

-- Posted by Slater on Sun, Feb 24, 2013, at 4:06 PM

Topic: Winning the hearts, and minds of the Afghan people; not!

President Karzai has demanded all United States Special Forces out of a key state in Afghanistan.The Afghanistan goverment alleges that they have been murdering, torturing, and kidnapping innocent Afghanis in that province.

Out of Afghanistan now. Nothing good will come from staying another day.


-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Feb 24, 2013, at 12:40 PM

Some people would gripe after the first rain following a 2 year drought because they have mud on their shoes.

It's Mother Nature; we all do the best we can.

The city's priorities are to clean the main arteries to insure emergency vehicles can get to where they are going. Next priority is secondary areteries and to business and school areas. Unfortunately, residences are last. This is true everywhere, not just Marshall.

My thanks to the road crews who worked through the night. I appreciate you, at least.

-- Posted by Interested Too on Sun, Feb 24, 2013, at 8:10 AM

It's a nice sunny day today. You would think the snow crews would be out cleaning the side streets to make room for the 5-10 inches we are predicted to get Monday - Tuesday. But maybe thats just too easy...

-- Posted by momaster on Sat, Feb 23, 2013, at 11:29 AM

praise God, they did not dump the snow in my driveway, yea I can get out. L ast time we had all that snow, my son cleaned my driveway out, and a big path to street and mailbox, city come thru night and next morning the snow was piled back in my driveway deep, could not get to mail box or to the street, the snow was so packed I could not shovel it out,

I called city, raised cain and they sent a little tractor and driver out to clean it out again. I am the only one om my side of street that uses garage for over a block and I get penalized for it, why? Because they had to come around cars in street so all the snow ended up in my driveway, Next morning when asked to move their cars to other side of street so tractor could clear our side, I got a cussing. Real respect for neighbors huh, but my drive got cleaned out, no problem this year. So I want to thank them.

-- Posted by buttons on Sat, Feb 23, 2013, at 8:50 AM

It would have been AWESOME if they would have enforced The Snow route ban, There were cars parked everywhere.

-- Posted by Selmac8 on Sat, Feb 23, 2013, at 3:49 AM

Kudos to Carlos! :)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Feb 22, 2013, at 2:36 PM
Response by Carlos Restrepo:
Thank you!

This is just rediculous that the streets have not been plowed yet. How many plows does Marshall have? My neighbor called the street dept. to see if they could plow our street because she is home bound and her caregiver and nurse can not get in. There response was there is snow all over town. No kidding.

-- Posted by stormy7334 on Fri, Feb 22, 2013, at 11:14 AM

Love the reader pictures in the snow gallery. Great idea Eric.

-- Posted by Maggie Menderski on Fri, Feb 22, 2013, at 11:10 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Thanks! But I gotta give credit to Carlos for the idea.

Dusting the cobwebs off Slater's shovel......

-- Posted by broke-n-busted on Fri, Feb 22, 2013, at 7:50 AM

Anyone know our official snow total from this storm?

-- Posted by OMG! on Fri, Feb 22, 2013, at 7:33 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
10 inches in Marshall.

Does anyone know who to call to ask about when the snow plows will be going down your street ? We cant get out at all . We need to get to work and thought they would have run down are street by now , they usually do .

-- Posted by ambsun on Fri, Feb 22, 2013, at 4:54 AM

Hey BnB!

Get that shovel out you've been saving for me. I'll be along if I can get Yukon King from in front of the fireplace. :)

-- Posted by Slater on Fri, Feb 22, 2013, at 2:05 AM

Good luck on your dig out Jason. I feel sorry for all you folks up there who will be freezing your butts off as you shovel away.

I'm glad we missed this one. Christmas Eve a couple of years ago we got ten inches with thirty mile an hour winds. I had three feet of drifted snow all across my sixty feet of driveway. It took me a while to dig out of that one. :)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Feb 21, 2013, at 10:32 PM

I hope the snow plows don't bury me in I have no choice on street parking.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Thu, Feb 21, 2013, at 9:53 PM

I want to thank the people that delivers the newspaper, I wasnt excepting to get it

-- Posted by loisjean on Thu, Feb 21, 2013, at 6:27 PM

My mail never came. Guessing he got stuck someplace.

-- Posted by momaster on Thu, Feb 21, 2013, at 6:20 PM

I got my mail just about a half hour later than usual, which I commend my lil mail woman for, neither rain nor snow nor sleet nor hail, now government cutbacks on Saturdays, another story!! I walked these streets for about 15 years in a former position, glad I've graduated up to mostly inside now:}

-- Posted by wheresthelove on Thu, Feb 21, 2013, at 4:01 PM

so i am taking it there is going to be no mail ran today?

-- Posted by tweety on Thu, Feb 21, 2013, at 3:09 PM

How much snow y'all got up there?

Early this morning we had thunder, lightning, sleet, then freezing rain...slicker'n a gut out there.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Feb 21, 2013, at 1:23 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
We had more than 8 inches before noon. Snow started in Marshall about 8 a.m.

Are snow routes being cleaned today???? I've looked at a couple and not even one pass has been made. I know their gettin hammered but, can't we hit them one time??

-- Posted by Marshall Man on Thu, Feb 21, 2013, at 1:13 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Crews are out. I know Eastwood was plowed a couple of hours ago and I saw two plows going south on Odell.

Jason it is my opinion that you did not grasp any of the many economic lessons that have been provided you on these blogs. My opinion is based on the fact that you did not take into account the proven multiplier effect.

It is my further opinion that you either choose to ignore, or can not grasp proven economic principles. Frankly I do not know which is the worse for you.

Which ever it is I am not going to waste an effort rebutting your position for the umpteenth time.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Feb 21, 2013, at 10:20 AM

I would say this you can't expand grovernment employees and help the economy much what your doing is spending money that people will just infuse back to government with taxes so its basically money going around a racetrack it will eventually go back to its source. Now with small plants and business what would happen is new money would be going into grovernment and that would help us more.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Thu, Feb 21, 2013, at 9:10 AM


Wouldn't those be mostly minimum wage and near-minimum wage jobs?

Perhaps Marshall needs a New Deal -- but we won't get that as long as government is cutting jobs.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Feb 19, 2013, at 5:32 PM

I thought we'd laid to rest the old dream about a "white knight" company riding in with thousands of jobs to save Marshall's faltering economy, but I see that's not the case. It won't happen here - we have to stop wishing for smokestacks and push for smaller businesses, as Interested Too said. Expansion at Fitzgibbon hospital is one good example. Expansion at our existing businesses, and the establishment of new and smaller businesses is a reachable goal.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Tue, Feb 19, 2013, at 3:31 PM

The old catch-22, InterestedToo. One reason why the Saline development primarily is on the dole.

-- Posted by Slater on Mon, Feb 18, 2013, at 10:30 PM


If you mean plants that hire about 50 workers, we might have a shot.

Anything bigger than that would go to an area with better potential; in educated people and a guaranteed work force. We just don't have the population to attract big industry.

Let's hope the junction can get something going. There would be jobs there for local folks as well.

-- Posted by Interested Too on Mon, Feb 18, 2013, at 4:03 PM

If you don't have gas in your pumps you dont sell gas so you cant make money. It sometimes takes money to make money. Whomever was running that Conoco station seemed to have money problems. They were without gas almost every weekend.The other gas stations in town don't have that problem.

-- Posted by momaster on Mon, Feb 18, 2013, at 12:32 PM

Limited opportunities for retail and gas stations here in Marshall our best bet is attracting industrial plants..

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Mon, Feb 18, 2013, at 11:17 AM

The breaktime on Odell, closed about the same time. I don't know if they were owned by the same person or not.

-- Posted by litlmissme on Mon, Feb 18, 2013, at 4:33 AM


Thanks for the info. I'm guessing that would be the same for any other store in town and they're still open.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Sun, Feb 17, 2013, at 6:26 AM

Thanks for the information, CJK! It sounds as if the kids can look forward to a safe and fun night, and the parents can look forward to a worry-free night as well.

Make mine a Guinness! :)

-- Posted by Slater on Sun, Feb 17, 2013, at 2:01 AM

I would also mention he had to pay a high rate of taxes on the business..That includes local, State,FED and misc.taxes.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Sun, Feb 17, 2013, at 12:30 AM

The reason Combination of things the main one was a hard time keeping and getting gas delivery contracts.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Sun, Feb 17, 2013, at 12:26 AM

Anyone know why that convenience store/gas station on college and 65 closed so suddenly?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Sat, Feb 16, 2013, at 9:42 PM

Slater, the Luck of the Irish Dinner and Raffle benefits Project Graduation, an alcohol and drug-free all-night party for the Marshall High School Class of 2013. The Project Graduation celebration has become a tradition for MHS graduates. This is the 8th annual Luck of the Irish Dinner and Raffle. Tickets are on sale now. For $100 you get two prime rib dinners and a chance at winning the $10,000 grand prize, along with other cash prizes. This year the dinner will be held at MHS on Saturday, March 16th. Dinner seating at 6:30pm. Tickets may be purchased at Viking Athletic Goods on the Marshall Square. Thanks for inquiring!!

-- Posted by CJK on Sat, Feb 16, 2013, at 6:11 PM

Oh! What is this Irish boy missing out on?

-- Posted by Slater on Sat, Feb 16, 2013, at 12:11 PM

CJK, thank you!

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Thu, Feb 14, 2013, at 11:25 AM

The Luck of the Iris dinner is Saturday, March 16

-- Posted by CJK on Thu, Feb 14, 2013, at 6:04 AM

And also - anybody have the date of the Luck o' the Irish dinner, please?

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Wed, Feb 13, 2013, at 10:11 PM

And now for a change of pace....$5 will get you a ticket to MVC's production of "Smoky Joe's Cafe." It'll be money well spent. Enjoy!

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Wed, Feb 13, 2013, at 10:08 PM


Yeah that's good mate.

Anyway, yeah, I worry about my bank account.

Other folks can worry about what ever they want to worry about.

As to the environment, I am pro-climate change -- I want climate change to come to our Planet very much because there are 7 Billion of us and its time for Mother Nature to make an adjustment to that population size as she has so many times before. Its the only way we will survive as a species.

But, as an individual, I won't be around more than another 20 years or so if I am real lucky, and while I am here I prefer not to live poor. My solar panels help me in that regard.

If you don't like my attitude, then I recommend you just don't give it any thought mate.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Feb 13, 2013, at 3:16 PM


I think you have me confused with a tree hugger.

I could not care

less about it mate. If solar panels are have a less harmful effect on the environment then its just a side effect as far as I am concerned.

But as far as climate change and the environment go, I think climate change is the best thing that could have happened to our species. I am pro-climate change.

But for the meantime, while we still have a civilization, I plan to save as much money on utilities as I can.

You can power your house or apartment any way you want.

I power mine the way I want.

And which one of us is making bill payments to the electric company?

It sure isn't me.

Instead, the electric company sends me a payment.

Each to his or her own I guess.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Feb 12, 2013, at 7:21 PM

Yeah thanks SC.

I grew up poor.

I don't have any desire to be poor at this stage of the game mate.

I used to get an electric bill for an average $650.00 a bill per quarter -- that is $2600.00 a year. And yeah, electricity is expensive here.

Now I pay $0.00 per quarter -- that is $0.00 per year for electricity.

In addition, I receive large payments from the electric company each quarter for my excess electricity production.

The system has already paid for itself (including installation, inverters, and meters). It has a 10 year full warranty and is also covered under our home insurance protection. The system was designed and built to last 25 years minimum.

I think its working out real well mate.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Feb 11, 2013, at 10:18 PM

Thanks Nana for the links. Hope everything good with you and Family!

-- Posted by Jo on Mon, Feb 11, 2013, at 7:43 PM

My electricity costs me $0.00 a year. I make a couple of grand in profit from my excess, and they pay on time.

Its worked well for 2 years, they have already paid for themselves, and they are warranted for 10 years -- built to last 25 years.

I have no problem with it.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Feb 11, 2013, at 4:20 PM

Smokin' Cheetah

Yeah there is a lot of pollution in the World mate.

By golly someone ought to clean that mess up lol.

Anyway, I still haven't paid a penny in electric bills since I installed my solar panels almost 2 years ago, and I get paid for the excess on time every "billing" cycle.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Feb 11, 2013, at 12:40 PM

We talk about this Privatisation of everything,really what could we do about it anyway? Our Government will do what they see fit! This illusion we have of this being our Government is absolutely silly! They have us by the short hairs, and most People don't know it yet.I really think its already too late, even if the People finely see things the way they really are! We are NO different than any of these other Countries,they just haven't started eliminating the People trying too fight back! (YET)

-- Posted by Jo on Mon, Feb 11, 2013, at 1:05 AM

Prompted by a recent event in Marshall, and ongoing such events across the country I could not resist penning the following bit of doggerel. ;)

Granny is still driving on her lifetime pass.

Granny missed the brake, instead she hit the gas.

I heard her say in a manner firm, and terse,

on my trip to the grave yard, I will drive the hearse!

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Feb 9, 2013, at 6:07 PM

Well gee, let's go ahead and privatize everything we do collectively as a group.

Let's make police and fire protection a personal responsibility.

Let's do away with our collectively owned Army and privatize the military. If you want military protection for your home, you will make your military protection insurance payments otherwise your property is pretty much up for grabs -- but that is the price we pay to privatize.

Let's privatize the Department of Justice. Justice may be defined a bit differently by the 2 or 3 dominant "Justice Companies" that will emerge under privatization. It certainly will have a big effect on the distribution of justice.

Let's privatize all roads. We sell them off to the highest bidder. Have your toll payment ready when you pull onto the road -- every road.

Let's privatize the Treasury Department. Certainly the oligipoly of companies that will control that market will really have their thumbs on the World markets, and hey they may not even be American corps that buy up the Treasury Department.

Let's do away with publicly funded education. Let's make it a personal responsibility. If you want to educate your child, you will pay the premium payment. Otherwise, there is no reason you should not have that kid out working an honest job at as early an age as possible -- a benefit of privatizing the Department of labor.

If we are going to go with this privatization thing -- you know "free" market -- then we have to do it all the way for it to "work."

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Feb 9, 2013, at 3:04 PM

You hit the nail on the head ITM! Yes, you hammered it!

An added thought off the top of my head; It is probable that many more jobs have been created by the newer forms of communication than are lost by the postal service contraction. Too bad so many of them are in China though.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Feb 8, 2013, at 6:11 PM

Here is how we begin to save the post office.

1. Everyone, get off the internet. Never ever use it again; don't purchase anything via the internet; don't read the papers or magazines on line; don't communicate with ANYONE unless by handwritten letter. The last typewriter factory in the entire world closed 2 years ago so they have to be handwritten.

2. Get rid of cell phones, or at least stop texting on them. Again, only communicate by handwritten letter.

3. Buy stamps, lots of them. Mail letters, better still, just buy the stamps and don't actually use them. Tha eliminates the costs of gasoline and vehicle maintenance.

4. Eliminate UPS, FEDEX and any other competition the postal system has. Go back to the monopoly the USPS had 60 years ago.

By the way, since we are in the mood to save occupations that are possibly becoming obsolete, let's get rid of direct dial so that we can bring back telephone operators. Demand all bowling alleys eliminate mechanical pinsetters so we can bring back all of the pinboys. If there is anytime left, let's get rid of these digital, plasma televisions and put all the people at the televsion tube factories, as well as TV repairmen, back to work.

-- Posted by inthemiddle on Fri, Feb 8, 2013, at 5:56 PM

Before someone says it, yes I am aware that the postal service has already gone to a lot of part time, and temp. workers, and that it is difficult to become a full time, fully vested postal employee. A good first step to busting a union is utilizing temporary, part time, and sub-contracted labor. Get er done, grunt, grunt. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Feb 7, 2013, at 2:31 PM

I wonder when the postal service is going to cut back to Monday, Wednesday, and Friday delivery? What a cost cutter that will be, cuts in transportation costs for instance. Most of all we can put those postal workers on part time, not pay them fringe benefits, and cut their pay. Oh darn it they have a union. Well that's O. K. we know how to get rid of those pesky things.


-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Feb 7, 2013, at 2:15 PM

MIZ_ZOU & Eric I have the same problem I have not been able to read any articles this month either.

Response by Eric Crump/Editor:

Keep in mind the period is 30 days, not calendar months.

-- Posted by Gal66 on Thu, Feb 7, 2013, at 6:38 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
I checked with company tech support and got this explanation: "If a visitor without a subscription has read 7 stories within the last 30 days, then they aren't allowed to read any more."

What a busy day for the MDN staff -- A fire and a crash into the Dollar Tree? Good job team.

-- Posted by Maggie Menderski on Wed, Feb 6, 2013, at 9:54 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:

I thought that every month a non-subscriber could read like 7 articles without having to pay...Guess that has changed. I have tried to read a couple but i guess i won't be reading any this month. Pretty crazy that a person has to pay to read an obituary.

-- Posted by MIZ_ZOU on Wed, Feb 6, 2013, at 2:22 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
I believe it's 7 free articles every 30 days, and to my knowledge, the policy has not changed.

One thing for sure CPp, unlike the ground hog, there is no chance that Lincoln, could he be at the gathering, see even a shadow of himself among those present. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Feb 4, 2013, at 1:54 PM

For Luke's... one of the building's owners passed away and the other owner wants to sell.

The people running Luke's had an opportunity out of state, so they took the sure thing and are closing the place.

Sorry to see Luke's go.

-- Posted by Interested Too on Sat, Feb 2, 2013, at 1:15 PM

Who woulda thought 5 months into school and dropping off and picking up would still perplex people...

-- Posted by Scarpetta on Fri, Feb 1, 2013, at 2:45 PM

I have heard several reasons for Lukes Place closing... from location, to poor service, to tax trouble, to them moving out of State. Who knows really. I enjoyed having them in town. The food was good, yes there was a wait most times, but it was nice to have somewhere besides Applebees or fast food to sit down and have a drink/meal. Location wasn't the best but it's not like it was 10 miles away.

-- Posted by mizufan12 on Fri, Feb 1, 2013, at 2:34 PM


I don't recall ever reading about the car in the Slater lake, in the Marshall paper. Unless I missed it. It was stolen out of KC from a mans garage while he was working out on the road. Haven't heard if the driver has been caught or not.

-- Posted by mizufan12 on Fri, Feb 1, 2013, at 2:29 PM

I had that experience just once. That's all it took.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Thu, Jan 31, 2013, at 9:19 PM



No wonder they went out of business.

I don't think I would have even made it the 2nd trip, much less the 3rd.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Jan 31, 2013, at 5:02 PM

I went there three times, the first time we had to wait at the entry way for 15 minutes, while two waitresses got a lecture from an older lady we assumed was either the owner or manager.

The second time we heard a woman barking orders at someone else in the kitchen.

The third trip it had a funny smell, took almost 45 minutes to get our food and we decided we were done with that place. Three bad experiences were enough.

-- Posted by litlmissme on Thu, Jan 31, 2013, at 3:41 PM

Sorry to hear about Luke's but I suspect it's all due to location,location,location.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Jan 30, 2013, at 9:42 PM

Lukes Place is closing. Another good restaurant leaving town, I presume for lack of support.

-- Posted by cmasretire on Wed, Jan 30, 2013, at 8:24 PM

does anyone know what the situation on the car in the Slater lake turned out to be--such big news and no follow-up!! Also, did I miss something--what happened that gas went up 20 cents--

-- Posted by farmerwife on Wed, Jan 30, 2013, at 5:38 PM

A sad fact is that we all know someone who has been molested though we may not know who it is.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Jan 30, 2013, at 5:25 PM

I am so sorry that your daughter had to go through that my nephew and niece suffered from molestation. And still effects them today. Gal 66 I am glad you got some justice just would the predator would of gotten life.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Tue, Jan 29, 2013, at 11:42 PM

Good news:

"Twinkie lovers can relax: Hostess sale is imminent"


Thank goodness. I know they are not real nutritious, but I love those little cakes anyway.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Jan 29, 2013, at 4:52 PM

I want to thank everyone at the Saline County Prosecutor's office and the Saline County Victim Advocate for the job they did in putting my daughters sexual predator behind bars for 11 years you all did a great job!

With state laws the way they are the problem is he could be out of prison in 120 days if the state determins they can control him outside of prison.

-- Posted by Gal66 on Tue, Jan 29, 2013, at 8:53 AM

Thanks ydnasllew, I didn't really expect anyone to acually put the name of the company. I didn't think my question would even be answered. Wheresthelove, I couldn't agree more.

-- Posted by Almost Critical on Mon, Jan 28, 2013, at 9:05 PM

OHHHH EMMMM GEEEEE!!! If that was the worst thing that has happened in this town......UNFREAKING BELIEVEABLE!! I'm not a huge fan of some of the things that happen surrounding our city ummmm, leaders(?) but the guy has every right to hire whichever company he chooses. What a bunch of hypocrites!!

-- Posted by wheresthelove on Mon, Jan 28, 2013, at 11:01 AM


-- Posted by momaster on Sun, Jan 27, 2013, at 4:03 PM

Almost Critical. I won't say what company, because this is not an advertising space; but many, if not most of the employees they use locally are local residents.

-- Posted by ydnasllew on Sun, Jan 27, 2013, at 2:17 PM

Well Semper, he wouldn't be the first Mayor in this town to do something like that. Im all about shopping local but saving money is saving money. And as the Mayor, how do you choose a local company knowing that all of the others would be ticked off.

May I ask who the company is? Is there is a chance they have local guys working for them?

-- Posted by Almost Critical on Sun, Jan 27, 2013, at 12:59 PM

KEEPING OUR TAX DOLLARS IN MARSHALL? I have noticed our Mayor has decided to do a little remodeling job on the outside of his house. Sure is nice to see he chose an out of town contractor to do his siding work. Nothing like leading by example.

-- Posted by semperfi on Sun, Jan 27, 2013, at 11:35 AM

Must have been a slow news day. Press release for someone student teaching and the Monday Club met on..wait for it....Monday!

-- Posted by momaster on Thu, Jan 24, 2013, at 8:54 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Now that subscribers pay for access to the website, we publish all the local content online that used to appear only the in the paper.

Apology accepted outsider. I'll put it in my apology bank so I'll have one ready for withdrawal, and delivery the next time I need one. I have to be careful about getting overdrawn there. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Jan 23, 2013, at 12:21 AM

sorry Okr. I totally whiffed on that one. My apologies.

-- Posted by outsider on Tue, Jan 22, 2013, at 10:08 PM

So which school board member resigned?

-- Posted by momaster on Tue, Jan 22, 2013, at 8:59 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Wayne Crawford.

Sorry that you didn't think it was funny outsider. It takes all kinds. Some folks like slapstick, maybe you do, I happen not to like it.

Hey we can even disagree as to what the wink symbol means. I think it is a signal that one is joking, in other words, not serious, intending to be funny. You seem to view it more as an proclamation, THIS IS FUNNY! My view is take it,or leave it. You could have just left it as far as I am concerned. Now I am going to leave this topic.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Jan 22, 2013, at 3:50 PM

Not about you outsider, not about your comment. No reason for you to take offense. It was just as I said, a thought that occured to me. I'll explain it though.

Some people take chances from an early age, some never do. If one never takes chances at some points in their life they will fail to accomplish some goals. Thats it. Get it?

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Jan 22, 2013, at 2:30 PM


It looks a lot like a conspiracy theory to me mate.

In addition, may I add it sounds like a big to-do about nothing.

Enjoy you theory mate and remember if the going gets a little rough you can always click your heels together 3 times and repeat the magic words


and you will be magically transported to the con bubble where its the 1980s all over again, where "liberal" is still a dirty word and Reagan was just re-elected to a 2nd term.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Jan 22, 2013, at 1:33 PM

okr reader. That is really an odd comment. If you're directing it at me, you are probably gonna have to explain to me what it means, how it pertains to the discussion and for what reason you posted it. I notice the little wink thing at the end that usually implies that there is humor to be found in whatever was said, but even if it's a joke, it's really not all that funny.

-- Posted by outsider on Tue, Jan 22, 2013, at 12:45 PM

I'm basing my opinion on a couple years worth of stonewalling on the part of Manny in regards to why taxes weren't paid, and now a lawsuit by a bank because the loan hasn't been paid.

You really have no idea what I may or may not know about this situation. All you have are your own assumptions...mate.

-- Posted by outsider on Tue, Jan 22, 2013, at 12:39 PM


I read the article. You are basing your entire opinion on the claims of the plaintiff and are completely unaware of the facts of the case or the legal position of the defense.

May I suggest mate that you are more motivated by partisanship and party loyalty than by jurisprudence or justice.

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Jan 19, 2013, at 1:38 PM

The thought occurs to me that if you are one of those who never ran with scissors, that there have also been times when you couldn't cut it. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Jan 19, 2013, at 12:26 PM

Also...I've seen this car wash. It doesn't look like $1.5 mil to me. This smells like a scam to clip the SBA for a low interest loan.

-- Posted by outsider on Sat, Jan 19, 2013, at 6:27 AM

Wrong, "mate". Mr. Cleaver has had years to respond, but was no doubt preoccupied with figuring out how to avoid taxes on said car wash and forgot about making the payments. This has been going on for quite a while. He keeps hiding behind the "personal business" curtain. He has no intention of responding.

-- Posted by outsider on Sat, Jan 19, 2013, at 6:21 AM

Any decent forensics person would be able to match the bite marks to the dog in question, if the story the man told is accurate.

-- Posted by Interested Too on Sat, Jan 19, 2013, at 12:58 AM

Well gee outsider,

It looks like you are jumpin' the gun a bit there mate.

The defense has not even had the opportunity to respond, and the judge is a long way from settling the matter.

Personally, I like hearing both sides of a story before I start drawing conclusions.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Jan 18, 2013, at 8:43 PM

Seems our good friend Manny Cleaver still doesn't want to repay his car wash loan. Not to worry. Thanks to being 75% backed by the SBA, us taxpayers will pick up the tab for him.


-- Posted by outsider on Fri, Jan 18, 2013, at 7:23 PM

"Large dog suspected of vicious behavior shot by police "

what an INNACURATE account of the facts

-- Posted by Rise Against on Fri, Jan 18, 2013, at 6:34 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
I'll stand by the headline.

Mundane, yes OKR. :)

Black t-shirt is to bird attack as MVC graduate is to being shot.

-- Posted by Slater on Fri, Jan 18, 2013, at 5:39 PM

Now AP reports that Greg Elsenrath, 1990 MVC grad and former staff member, is expected to make a full recovery. AP also says that Sean Johnson who shot St. Louis business school administrator Elsenrath should have been in jail for a parole violation committed eight months earlier. Johnson was on parole for attacking a cab driver with a knife, was "on probation for five years and ordered to take medication for an unspecified mental illness."

Now the repeat offender likely will be forced to take his meds while in jail or prison. For too many, that's the way our system works. Nuts. Where's prevention?

-- Posted by former editor on Fri, Jan 18, 2013, at 4:40 AM

That one was for the birds Slater. ;)

(I think I got it. Were you meddling with the mundane?)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Jan 18, 2013, at 12:17 AM

Billy was wearing a black t-shirt with red lettering across the front when he rode his bicycle into a flock of Bluejays and subsequently was attacked by the irate birds.

-- Posted by Slater on Thu, Jan 17, 2013, at 4:43 PM

Did anyone notice that the financial aid officer at the little college in St. Louis in the "Student charged in college shooting attacked cabby" story under the State News heading on this website was an MVC graduate? The 34-year old student who attacked the financial aid officer after arguments was reported to be "off his meds" and had a history of mental illness with acting out that included criminal behavior such as attacking a cab driver with a knife - in traffic. Nuts.

-- Posted by former editor on Thu, Jan 17, 2013, at 9:38 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
I'm working on a brief story now. Not much information available past what you note above, though.

"Ring the Bell! Schools back in!!"

MC Hammer, "Can't Touch This"

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Jan 13, 2013, at 3:14 PM

You reckon former editor that the common use of the term assault rifle to include certain semi-automatic rifles has anything to do with the fact that they are nearly the same guns; the only difference being one fires fully automatically, the other doesn't?

The average user of the semi-automatic version can dump a thirty round magazine in ten seconds, some claim (boast) they can empty that magazine in five seconds. Utilizing the bump firing technique, from shoulder, or hip, it can be done even faster, making the difference between fully automatic, and semi-automatic versions of the same weapon practically negligible as to rate of fire.

It is a red herring about the semi-automatic versions not being assault rifles, it is at most splitting hairs, and I suspect an obfuscation by right wing gun nuts,and the shills of arms production and sales such as the NRA.

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it is a duck. Enough already.


-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Jan 13, 2013, at 1:37 PM

In the firearms discussion, the terms "assault weapon" and "assault rifle" are used over and over again. There appears to be both a technical legal definition of them as well as a common use or slang definition similar to using the term "Levis" to refer to all blue jeans. So what are we really talking about here? We also hear the letters "AR" over and over, but how many people saying "AR" know what it means?

-- Posted by former editor on Sun, Jan 13, 2013, at 9:17 AM

Additionally, for those existing legally owned assault weapons, how about non-lethal bullets? After all, you "don't use them to hunt, just enjoy at target practice". I have hunters in my family and several law enforcement officers/detective, etc...I don't want all guns banned and when I hear people say that is what "Lefties" want; they are lying or misinformed.

-- Posted by mFromSweetSprings on Sun, Jan 13, 2013, at 4:13 AM

Well said, jason1969. There is no need for assault weapons outside the military. As someone who had a mass shooting near my home in 1994 at Fairchild AFB, WA...that could have been avoided if the loopholes were closed on back ground checks. 27 people shot that day, 5 dead plus assailant.


-- Posted by mFromSweetSprings on Sun, Jan 13, 2013, at 4:09 AM

Honest disagreement is often a good sign of progress.

Mahatma Gandhi

Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/author...

-- Posted by former editor on Sat, Jan 12, 2013, at 8:16 AM

Well OKR, I just want to know how we got from regulating use of assault rifles and extended clips -- which we did in the 90's -- to banning all guns.

I believe some folks in the con bubble want to put words in the mouths of lefties. That won't work.

We don't let folks own or produce their own, personal nuclear arms and we have the right to draw lines.

I don't know exactly where that line is. Only the Supreme Court can say that. And as parkuser points out in his comment, that will be a radically different High Court than the one we see today. It will undoubtedly include a Democrat majority and their rulings are unlikely to be taken from the Strict Constructionist school of thought.

I predict We the Majority will regulate ownership of assault rifles and extended clips and those regulations will be upheld by the High Court.

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Jan 12, 2013, at 2:24 AM

News I don't think that anti-gun regulation folks can legitimately use this as confirmation that Gandhi was on the side of the NRA regarding gun control in the United States, that would be ludicrous. Wait a minute, do use suppose that some in the NRA are ludicrous, and illegitimate?

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Jan 12, 2013, at 2:01 AM

News here is more stuff on the Indian Arms Act. I like to expose, and expunge my own ignorance where ever possible, It is much less embarrassing than having some one else do it.

The Arms Act did deny arms to all Indian citizens, and was put in place during British imperial rule, their standard practice as masters over slaves. It was a number of years after British rule before it began to be loosened, and India still has strict gun laws.

Given all that Gandhi's statement if authentic can not be stretched to mean as I said, that Gandhi wanted to put in the hands of every untouchable an untouchable gun.

The most one can legitimately say is that Gandhi was disturbed by the principle that no private citizen of his infant nation was allowed to have a gun. It is a far cry from an honest word clip to go on a NRA poster.

Note the following commentary is from an Indian citizen who appears to be a pro gun activist. I treat it as a hopefully accurate description of the metamorphisis of the Indian Arms Act, the rest is extraneous concerning our point of discussion. http://www.abhijeetsingh.com/arms/india/

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Jan 12, 2013, at 1:52 AM

Oklahoma Reader

There is no way we can determine what the alleged Gahndi statement referred to or what it meant without the original context.

I have checked every source I have including the complete published work of all of Gandhi's letters, speeches, and statements. I can't find it anyplace in there.

"Collected Works of Mahatma Gandhi Online"


Until the quote is verified and we know it exists and then until we see it in context. it remains impossible to interpret his meaning.

One thing we can be sure of, Gandhi's methods did not include guns or violence of any kind -- and that is a fact, no matter what revisionists try to claim.

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Jan 12, 2013, at 1:45 AM

News I did a search for the context of the Gandhi comment. I found this, which was placed as an anonymous blog comment. The way it flows, I believe it likely a Ghandi comment, perhaps in a book, letter, or essay he wrote. That is just my opinion.

If it is correct it does give us context, and to me he was discussing the British not allowing the new Indian nation to arm itself, as in have an army. I really don't think his point was to make all the Untouchables in India, at least have guns that were untouchable. ;)

" I used to issue leaflets asking people to enlist as recruits. One of the arguments I had used was distasteful to the Commissioner: 'Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest. If we want the Arms Act to be repealed, if we want to learn the use of arms, here is a golden opportunity. If the middle classes render voluntary help to Government in the hour of its trial, distrust will disappear, and the ban on possessing arms will be withdrawn.' The Commissioner referred to this and said that he appreciated my presence in the conference in spite of the differences between us. And I had to justify my standpoint as courteously as I could.

My nonviolence does not admit of running away from danger and leaving dear ones unprotected. Between violence and cowardly flight, I can only prefer violence to cowardice. I can no more preach nonviolence to a coward than I can tempt a blind man to enjoy healthy scenes."


-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Jan 12, 2013, at 1:24 AM


So how do you go from calling for reasonable, rational safety regulation of firearm use and the banning of assault weapons and large clips to all of a sudden calling for all guns to be banned?

You sure have taken the argument to a whole new level -- one that no-one on the left is making.

We on the left are only interested in banning assault weapons and large clips.

We did it in the '90s and there is no reason we can't do it now.

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Jan 12, 2013, at 12:20 AM

fomer editor.

Without the context, its pretty difficult to tell what Gandhi was saying in the quote you posted.

So I did some research.

He sure was not advocating gun use or violence in any way.

In addition, he never proscribed the use of weapons or violence as a means of change nor did he support "defending oneself" with firearms or any other form of violence. In fact, he opposed oppressed people defending themselves in any violent manner.

I believe the quote is out of context.

Could you please post the entire, original manuscript so we can check it for context?


-- Posted by news across on Sat, Jan 12, 2013, at 12:10 AM

Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest.

Mahatma Gandhi

Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/author...

-- Posted by former editor on Fri, Jan 11, 2013, at 10:07 PM


Not if the intruder is a tank.

Gandhi brought the biggest, most powerful empire the World had ever known -- Great Britain -- to its knees with peaceful resistance.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Jan 11, 2013, at 5:36 PM

A gun will stop the intruder.. By me

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Fri, Jan 11, 2013, at 1:13 PM

"I cannot teach you violence, as I do not myself believe in it. I can only teach you not to bow your heads before any one even at the cost of your life."


-- Posted by news across on Thu, Jan 10, 2013, at 2:56 PM

"Non-violence is the greatest force at the disposal of mankind. It is mightier than the mightiest weapon of destruction devised by the ingenuity of man."

Mahatma Gandhi

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Jan 10, 2013, at 2:00 PM

I re-reckon Former Editor that I have not said enough about our current discussion.

After I re-reckoned, I re-read the satirical piece. It is my opinion that it was a satire aimed at war, and our constant preparation for war, with an allegory expressing how wonderful it would be if that all ended, and we had reached the point that we are "not going to study war no more".http://www.negrospirituals.com/news-song/study_war_no_more.htm

I think those that became upset by it, and thought it was derogatory toward the young Marine are obtuse.

The writer listed all the young Marine's boot camp accomplishments, just as requested by the family. Then, and this is where the obtuse miss an obvious transition of subject, she clearly says wouldn't it be nice if this was not the way it is (referencing in a sensitive manner that our young men are trained to be killers). She then posited would not it be wonderful if instead of this the young men of our nation were recruited, and trained to study the ways of peace, and other constructive activities to preserve our environment, et al. Her statement far from being derogatory to the young marine was a plaintive, and benevolent cry of sadness for his plight, all the others like him, and indeed our nation as a whole: "where have all the soldiers gone", where have all the flowers gone". Quixotic? Definitely. Derogatory, and demeaning? It is ridiculous to so think.

Again, in my opinion it takes certain obtuseness to have missed that, and instead come from the reading expressing trucelence.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Jan 10, 2013, at 1:35 PM

I don't think that editor's intent was ever to establish a community newspaper. From what I have gathered she was a pamphleteer from the outset. Her politics were rejected by the community. Nuff said.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Jan 10, 2013, at 12:06 PM

Oklahoma Reader -

Believe it was Dan Rather in an early book citing his community journalism experience in Texas who noted that in small markets, the subject of your news story can come right through the front door to register his view on the reporter's coverage. In community journalism, people are not abstractions, but best treated as people and fellow citizens. In the "Madison County Crier," newly arrived editor Madeson treated a young man who had graduated from Marine boot camp as an object lesson instead of a person, using his education in parody. His parents and friends considered this offensive and disrespectful. His parents simply expected a news item when they submitted the information. Editor followed this up by printing related letters to the editor on a background that looked like a first grader's painting, also tending to parody.

Editors are allowed to editorialize, and readers may agree or disagree. That is not what Madeson did. Every reporter, due to family, educational, and cultural background, operates with preconceived notions and prior judgments. But most community journalists attempt to draw a line between news and editorial opinion. Madeson mixed both using childish metaphor. All the community newspapers in Saline County do a better job. This one in particular allows diverse comments from readers but generally does not editorialize wildly within news stories.

-- Posted by former editor on Thu, Jan 10, 2013, at 10:18 AM


Where is the article about the young men who stole the Sister Of Liberty Statue? No charges pressed on a felony related action? If you need help finding out their names I will be glad to help you as they brag about it everyday at MHS. Hide your BBQ grill, yard gnomes, rear passenger tires, and all the garden sculptures because if those young men get away with stealing that, I KNOW I CAN get away with those items!!


Lee DE Way

to da pen

-- Posted by LEE De WAY on Wed, Jan 9, 2013, at 8:21 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
If charges are filed, we'll run the story.

I also had read the "Madison County Crier" story linked at the MDN. It is worth remembering that uncomfortable truths can cause writers to be shunned. Thomas Paine, among others was subjected to it.

I am not saying Former Editor that you were defending the ingrown folks down there in Madison County, but there did appear that insinuation.

It seems that the Editor of the most recent quickly defunct incarnation was an intelligent person, and with eyes wide open likely knew the consequences of trying to open voluntarily shut eyes.

As to your thanks for a good community newspaper I am in accord. Apparently though that sort effort had previously failed with the original "Crier". Maybe those folks 'jez don' care none fur readin' an' larnin'. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Jan 7, 2013, at 7:49 PM

In another story under State News on this website ("Some Mo. districts struggle with new evaluations" by AP's Heather Hollingsworth), we find that provisionally accredited Gilliam and Malta Bend schools rank higher under the new evaluation system. Good news.

-- Posted by former editor on Mon, Jan 7, 2013, at 4:00 AM

A story posted on this website's frequently changing State News (AP's Alan Scher Zagier, "In rural Missouri, anti-war satire opens wounds") was an interesting example of community journalism "fail." In Googling for background, a longer story turned up in St. Louis's Riverfront Times containing the provocative satire created by editor Frances Madeson for the defunct again Madison County Crier http://www.madisoncountycrier.net/ and the way the editor posted critical letters to the editor is something I've never seen an any newspaper anywhere. Editor Madeson's spoof of boot camp education for a real Madison County citizen who joined the Marines said he had been trained in "hand-to-hand massage" and "close order jitterbugging" at a U.S. Peace and Love Boot Camp. The content posted by the Riverfront Times makes one appreciate real community newspapers.


-- Posted by former editor on Sun, Jan 6, 2013, at 4:45 PM


That link you posted says so much with very few words.

And it is so true!!!

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Jan 6, 2013, at 1:28 PM

news when we get control of congress in 2014 and with the age of 4 of the judges on the Supreme Court I can see President Obama appointing all 4 that will put the number at 6 judges he has appointed.

If the Supreme Court can decide the out come of a presidential election then what makes you think they could not do something about a total ban on guns.

-- Posted by parkuser on Fri, Jan 4, 2013, at 12:23 PM


The school board has 72 hours or 3 business days to release information to the public on any actions they have taken while holding a closed meeting. If no action was taken then I don't think they are required to release any information. If you want more specifics look up Missouri Sunshine Laws.

-- Posted by sixty on Thu, Jan 3, 2013, at 9:28 PM


-- Posted by broke-n-busted on Thu, Jan 3, 2013, at 8:21 PM

Any updates from board meeting?

-- Posted by huh? on Thu, Jan 3, 2013, at 5:02 PM

Seems to me that there may be an element of sarcasm in parkusers comment. :)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Jan 3, 2013, at 3:41 PM


How does the Democrats having power translate into changing Supreme Court precedent?

Yes we could change the Constitution with a new Amendment which could limit or even undue the 2nd Amendment -- but do we really want to do that?

In addition, it is a long and difficult process to amend the Constitution. It requires the amendment of at least 38 state constitutions (ratification). Frankly, I doubt 38 states would be willing to ratify such an amendment.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Jan 3, 2013, at 2:48 PM

newsacross just because you have not heard or read it does not mean a bunch of us don't think it needs to be done!

The Constitution has been changed or added to in the past and it will be done again.

If banning some guns will help banning them all will be even better!

It will not be long and the dem's will be in control of both the house and the senate and then the Supreme Court

-- Posted by parkuser on Thu, Jan 3, 2013, at 2:36 PM


I found your comment interesting.

There are many folks calling for reasonable restrictions such as limiting possession/use of powerful assault rifles, belt-fed tripod machine guns, or nuclear arms by an individual.

However, you are the only one I have heard or read of that wants to ban the ownership of all guns.

What you propose would be an unconstitutional prohibition.

So says the Supreme Court, so says the Constitution.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Jan 3, 2013, at 1:05 PM

We need to take away every gun there is, even hunting rifles - every single one ! If they won't turn them in, just go in every house that might have one, and pay for information from neighbors when they say they don't have any, but really do. We should set up special camps for these people to help them learn not to love guns, and I'm giving money to the brady campaign today so that this can happen!

-- Posted by parkuser on Thu, Jan 3, 2013, at 10:37 AM

Thank you for the clarification

-- Posted by momaster on Thu, Jan 3, 2013, at 8:41 AM

It was 630 am.

-- Posted by huh? on Thu, Jan 3, 2013, at 7:48 AM

Confusion. Is this board meeting at 6:30 AM or PM? You are reporting one thing and the other local media outlet is reporting the other.

-- Posted by momaster on Thu, Jan 3, 2013, at 7:45 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
The agenda I received lists the time as 6:30 a.m.

Aren't all school board meetings, open or closed, supposed to be posted as to when they are occurring? Correct me if i am wrong, but I thought that was supposed to happen.

Is there a closed session school board meeting tomorrow morning?

-- Posted by huh? on Wed, Jan 2, 2013, at 3:20 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
There is a board meeting -- closed session only -- scheduled for 6:30 a.m. Thursday, Jan. 3, for the purpose of discussing personnel issues. The Sunshine Law posting requirements:

"Section 610.020.2 requires at least 24 hours of notice (excluding weekends and holidays) before the meeting, unless such notice is impossible.

"The notice must be posted prominently in the principal office of the body holding the meeting ..."

I received the email message at 5:18 p.m. Tuesday. I don't know, of course, whether or when it was posted at the school district Central Administration Office.

Welcome to a new year and a new forum. Past speakout forums can be found at www.marshallnews.com/topic/speakout.

-- Posted by Eric Crump on Tue, Jan 1, 2013, at 9:37 AM

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