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Superintendent floats new ideas for building new schools

Tuesday, November 13, 2012

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This is a photo of a slide Marshall Superintendent Ryan Huff showed the school board Tuesday, Nov. 13. It is not a detailed plan but is intended to be a rough example of how the layout of the current Marshall High School campus might change to make room for a new high school building. The new building would be located immediately south of the football stadium. Baseball and soccer fields would be moved to the north side of campus. Additional parking would be added, and playgrounds could be added on the west side of MHS, which would be converted to an elementary school.
(Eric Crump/Democrat-News)
Marshall's school board has been mulling the possibility of trying in April to win voters' approval to build a new school building, and the board met Tuesday, Nov. 13, to consider some new ideas.

Five bond issues have failed at the polls in the past dozen years or so.

Considering the recent track record, Superintendent Ryan Huff presented the board with two options to consider -- one different and one very different.

In previous proposals, the focus has been on building a three-grade elementary school to start, then continue to replace buildings every few years until facilities have all been replaced.

In his "Building on the Past: Bridging to the Future" proposal, Huff's first option is similar to the earlier plans, although he proposed building one new elementary school that would house grades one through five, use Northwest Elementary School as the kindergarten center and demolition of Southeast, Eastwood and most of Benton schools.

Option 2 goes in a very different direction.

It would involve building a new high school -- possibly with a 900-1,000-seat performing arts center -- and converting the current high school into an elementary school for grades one through five.

Option 2 would also involve demolishing the 1920s-era buildings, except for a newer section of Benton.
Huff listed pros and cons for each option.

Option 1 would cost less and be less complicated to implement, but it would not directly benefit as many people in the community, it has failed at the polls in recent years and would have less impact on economic development.

Option 2 would cost more -- possibly as much as $40 million -- and would be more complicated to achieve, but it would directly benefit more people and would have a greater impact on economic development, he said.

Within Option 2 there are two further options to consider -- whether to purchase land for the new high school or build it on the current high school campus.

Both have pros and cons, Huff said, but one thing he likes about Option 2 is the opportunity to allow curriculum to drive building design rather than having to fit curricular needs within existing spaces.

In both options, the Satellite School would be relocated to a newer section of Benton and its current building would be demolished. Fifth-grade classes would be moved out of Bueker Middle School, and the annex would be demolished.

When he heard the proposed fate of the annex at BMS, board member Wayne Crawford exclaimed, "God bless you."

In both options, all elementary classes would meet in a permanent building. There would be no more "trailer" classrooms.

The district has used a number of modular classrooms, commonly referred to as "the trailers," for several decades to relieve overcrowding.

The estimated cost of a new high school would be about $32 million, but adapting MHS to serve elementary school needs, rearranging of the sports complex and addition of Astroturf to the football field to enable it to be used by multiple sports and band activities brings the price tag to about $40 million.

Huff said it would be possible to wait six months to a year before demolishing any of the old buildings to see if anyone was interested in buying them to convert them to other uses.

Huff told the board he recommends pursuing Option 2, but he urged the board to postpone placing the issue on the ballot. The board had indicated interest in putting a bond issue on the April 2013 ballot.

The complex plan will take more time than that to properly develop, he said.

The price tag will likely be much higher than the district's bonding capacity, so Huff will propose the district consider a lease-purchase arrangement, which would require increasing the operating levy rather than seeking approval for a debt service levy.

Increasing the operating levy would only require a simple majority to pass, too. Bond issues require four-sevenths or two-thirds majorities, depending on the timing of the election.

The board took no action Tuesday. Huff urged the board to ponder the options and listen to feedback from the community before making a decision.

"Everything is open at this point," he said.

Huff concluded his presentation by offering a Chinese proverb: "The best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago. The second best time is now."

The quote also applies to building schools, he said, noting that construction costs will continue to increase, making postponement an expensive proposition.

After the open meeting, the board convened in closed session to discuss real estate issues. No action was taken.

Board members Wayne Crawford, Larry Godsey, President Kathy Green, Douglas Koehn, Mike Mills, Sherrie Stouffer and Anita Wright were present.

Contact Eric Crump at ecrump@marshallnews.com

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Good points IntheMiddle. One of the things I conclude from your comments is that new buildings won't erase those problems. The student base is not all that malleable.

There was a time when I wanted to be a teacher, it runs in my family. I am glad that I am not a teacher, at least not in Marshall, and from what I gather there are many places worse.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Nov 28, 2012, at 10:05 PM

Have any of you noticed our student body has changed over the last 30 years? In 1985 the largest departments at MHS were Social Studies and English. Today the largest is Special Education.

Thirty years ago how many Marshall students were not speaking English at home? When they administer those state tests, the restrictions of the state mean that almost all of the Special Ed students and ESL students must take the same tests everyone does, with no modifications for their IEP except extended time. At the high school level teachers can't tell students what a word on the test means, and can only pronounce one word in a sentence if the student is unfamiliar with the words.

As a community we are slipping downward on the economic ladder. We have a growing number of families for whom education is not their top priority. All anyone has to do is to read the posts by many of you and you see that there is very little support for teachers in this community unless they are coaching a state champion team.

-- Posted by inthemiddle on Wed, Nov 28, 2012, at 8:53 PM

We hire fewer friends and relatives than we used to.

Missouri Teachers aren't allowed to unionize.

Let the parents pick the teachers? Quite possibly the most unrealistic solution. You think the complaining about favoritism is bad now, have your kid get denied the "good" teacher and see how the crap hits the fan.

Add clssrooms? In case you haven't noticed, we've done that and are running out of space to do much more of that. The trailers were never meant to be permanent. I find it a bit humorous that people who continously rant and rail against giving the district anymore money which would eliminate the trailers, then turn around and blame the district for the trailers when the trailers are the cost-saving solution.

-- Posted by inthemiddle on Wed, Nov 28, 2012, at 8:38 PM

OK, I get it.

SmartDog doesn't take government money.

Can we get back on topic about the proposed school issue?

Once again, I think that the school board will opt to go for the same old plan and it will fail.

I do think it's a better deal if we go with Ryan's plan.

The bussing might be an issue unless they stagger the times kids go to schools. Also, it might not be a bad idea to limit how many high school students can park in the parking lot with all of the little ones running around. Otherwise, I've always thought that Marshall High School looked more like an elementary set up than a high school.

Plans for a better theater sound good too, and I hope they include that no matter which plan they propose.

-- Posted by Interested Too on Tue, Nov 27, 2012, at 9:39 AM

Jesus, parkuser, you got some kind of fixation on farm subsidy programs or what?

There is no trust associated with my farm. I have no hidden ownership or any other way to hide government payments.

I simply have never received any subsidy payments.

Never.

I guess that is hard for some folks to believe.

It's really not that complicated.

I will admit that I got some federal money to help pay for college about 35 years ago. I reckon I was on the dole then, eh?

However, I think I have paid the feds back with the gross amount of federal income tax I have had withheld from the professional level salary that education helped me land. So the way I see it we both came out on that deal.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Tue, Nov 27, 2012, at 7:25 AM

Parkuser adhominem attacks are the last refuge of those whose on point argument has failed. Won't you try to do better?

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Nov 26, 2012, at 4:40 PM

St. Peters keeps being mentioned as an example. It must be their bright shiny new building that makes St. Peter's so atractive....oh, hang on, they don't have one....hmmmm

-- Posted by windowview on Mon, Nov 26, 2012, at 12:54 PM

Smart dog your the one that brought up the tax issue on farm ground not me.

put your name out here and I will be glad to check and see if yours or your familys name is on the list.

You know a lot of the names on that list are trust farms so the name on the check would not show up in your name it would be in the trust name.

I have no doubt your chack does not come in your name but is could still be in a trust and you still get it.

you know this is not about you, everytime this issue has come up one of you poor farmers get on here and cry about how much you all have to pay.

Cry me a river we need the rain!!!!!

-- Posted by parkuser on Mon, Nov 26, 2012, at 12:00 PM

Smartdog if my memory serves me right my class from 1977 was 212 strong the largest up to that date, it was the first class at the new high school.

Then the next largest class was around 1985-86 with like 215 it was my little brothers class.

I think one in the last few years was larger than that.

I do understand your point about the system not being any larger but buildings do get old and need to be replaced at some point.

-- Posted by Gal66 on Mon, Nov 26, 2012, at 11:51 AM

Willie, you and parkuser seem to think you know something about my farming operation.

So, if you fellers are so smart, let's see if you can find a single check from the US Government, any agency you choose will be fine, made out to me.

Let me give you a hint. You won't find any.

In fact, want to put your money where your mouth is? I'll wager any amount you want that you can't find a single farm subsidy payment to me.

You guys do realize this isn't about me, right? I reckon that's the best shot the whiny "we want a new shiny school" crowd has got, eh? Attack the messenger?

Personal attacks on the fellow who posts blogs about our lack of justification or ability to pay for new schools. How Marshall like.

How about you geniuses come up with some real world justifications for raising everyone's taxes by $40,000,000 for new schools other than "Sedalia has new schools" because there are less students in Marshall Public Schools right now than in the recent, or distant, past.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Sun, Nov 25, 2012, at 8:47 AM

Farmers or in Smartdogs case, "landowner" have always accepted the "welfare". They are also the first ones to complain when asked to pay alittle more when needed! Now Smartdog you can head to the farm and check on your "renter".

-- Posted by willie makit on Fri, Nov 23, 2012, at 11:14 AM

Farm envy.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Fri, Nov 23, 2012, at 9:47 AM

Man parkuser you seem to have caused this talk to die.

Where did you go smartdog?

-- Posted by Gal66 on Wed, Nov 21, 2012, at 1:19 PM

Just a little info

EWG Farm Subsidy Database

Subsidy Recipients 1,326 in zipcode 65340

Recipients in this zipcode received $71,950,576 from 1995-2006

Poor poor farmers..........

http://farm.ewg.org/addrsearch.php?searc...

-- Posted by parkuser on Tue, Nov 20, 2012, at 9:00 AM

Hey Smart Dog you know if you don't like paying the tax on you farm land then sell it!

Oh wait then you would not get all the goverment handouts you farmers get that I am sure more than make up the tax!!!!!!

-- Posted by parkuser on Tue, Nov 20, 2012, at 8:46 AM

I agree with litlmissme on both points she makes.

Our public schools should be maintained and cleaned as well as St. Peters, in fact they have more money to do it with per student. St. Peters also doesn't have to serve special needs students or babysit students suffering with behavior or social ills.

On her second point regarding kindergardeners in trailers, I also agree. This should have been addressed long ago. To me it demonstrates the long term disfunction of the Marshall School Board and Administration that have failed to remedy that for decades now.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Sat, Nov 17, 2012, at 10:08 AM

Lilmissme that doesn't change the fact that more affluent people everywhere tend to send their kids to private school. There has developed a stigma concerning public schools in America, and there are several reasons for that.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Nov 16, 2012, at 11:45 PM

"So a high school teacher's fate is in the hands of 16-18 year olds."-Your priorities are reversed CJK, 16-18 year olds' fate is in the hands of high school teachers.

In any other field you produce, or are terminated. Why not teachers? What I outlined merely demands that teachers use their skills to assure that the students meet, or exceed their established level of attainment.

Your example of a kid that doesn't care that day, would be offset by a kid that cares more than usual that day. One student's failure to achieve would not skew the results of a teacher's entire class. In fact it is likely that every teacher will have a few under achievers.

Look out for the teacher, and kick out the teacher whose kids that had good achievement the year before, and the year after being that teacher's student, but under achieved in that class. There are several ways achievement can be measured.

This is off topic, I was just floating an idea, and I won't have more to say about it. Folks can take, and run with it, or discard it, I don't care.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Nov 16, 2012, at 11:42 PM

OKR:

One family toured both St. Peters and the public schools. This is what the mom said " The building at St. Peters is better cared for, and over all the school just looks cleaner." Her children had attended public school before they moved here. This couple has since moved on and her children went into the public school system where they curently reside.

Another couple began here with their child in public school, but they were shocked to learn their daughter had to go from a trailor to the main building in all sorts of weather. The following year they enrolled both their children at St. Peters. My point OKR is that dog does hunt and it is happening.

I just happen to work closely with these people and know the story. It's like when a tree falls in the woods and no one is there, does it make a sound? If people don't hear these things they don't beleive it is so.

It would be nice to do a poll of the St. Peters parents, and Trinity parents to get the data for all to see, it may open alot of eyes in our community.

-- Posted by litlmissme on Fri, Nov 16, 2012, at 9:13 AM

Oklahoma Reader:

Ok, let's say we are talking about high school. The way they measure student progress is by end of course exams. There are many high schoolers who have years of testing to compare the results to, so progress can be noted. So a high school teacher's fate is in the hands of 16-18 year olds. There are many high schoolers who don't care about their grades, their teacher's job, or the results on any testing. So these students sit down to take a test which they don't want to take in the first place and decide to just mark answers randomly, believe me it happens. So these teachers are to be fired because of lack of student performance. Maybe the student actually knew the curriculum but just decided not to "perform" that day. Sounds like an even better idea then letting 5 year olds decide the fate of an adult.

-- Posted by CJK on Fri, Nov 16, 2012, at 5:46 AM

You missed my point CJK, obviously so because you used kindergarteners as an example. They have no educational history to compare to. Read what I said again. It compares students success to their success level in previous years. I said nothing about using "No Child's Behind Left" as a standard. There are several ways to measure progress.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Nov 16, 2012, at 1:16 AM

Smart Dog Says:

"Also, farmers pay significantly more property tax than the city folks, so those modest increases that will be advertised by the proponents (I'll refrain from calling them "whiny yuppies" but I agree with 1ofthegals sentiments) should be multiplied by 10 to arrive at the amount paid by farm land owners."

Question: Are you aware that farm land is taxed at the lowest rate of any realestate property? Which includes homes and commercial/industrial businesses? Also, are you aware that the assessed valuation of farm land is kept artificially low by the state legislature?

-- Posted by Wise Old Owl on Thu, Nov 15, 2012, at 10:15 PM

The intimation that a school board would purposely keep students in trailers is utterly offensive. Nobody in their right mind would want students having to walk outside in rain, snow, ice, and any other element just to get to lunch or the bathroom.

Perhaps the school system will let community members tour their facilities again. Having attended one of the meetings a few years ago, it was eye opening to see some of the conditions. It helped make my decision on whether or not to vote for the bond issue.

Comparing our situation to the Kansas City school district is laughable. Numerous times I have cited research linking the relationship between quality of environment and student performance. It's easy to find.

-- Posted by fvsol on Thu, Nov 15, 2012, at 9:52 PM

Smart Dog says:

"Statistics show that new buildings have no impact on non-performing schools."

Question: Can you cite the reference(s) please?

-- Posted by Wise Old Owl on Thu, Nov 15, 2012, at 9:40 PM

Smart Dog:

"By the way, was I right that there would be a corresponding increase in the operating levy for the district as well as a new debt service levy?"

Answer: NO. I do not see anywhere in the article where it says that there will be both a debt service levy AND increase in operating levy.

Question: If we the citizens of Marshall are not interested in investing in our own community and kids, then why would anyone outside of Marshall want to invest their resources here?

-- Posted by Wise Old Owl on Thu, Nov 15, 2012, at 9:10 PM

Oklahoma Reader:

So if I understand what you are saying you think a teacher should be fired if his or her class does not peform well on standarized tests. Well I would hate to be a teacher who's job security is in the hands of 5 year olds. A 5 year old just wants to know when lunch and recess are. So let's say a teacher prepares her students all year long for this test which is usually given at the end of the year. She covers grade level expectations and follows her curriculum guide. She gives practice tests and teaches test taking strategies. The end of the year comes and her fate is in the hands of kindergarteners, who might decide to make a nice pattern down their tests booklet instead of taking the time to mark the correct answers. Sure that sounds like a super idea, sign me up!!

-- Posted by CJK on Thu, Nov 15, 2012, at 8:33 PM

If you want a new idea that would have a positive impact on the quality of education without spending a dime more here's one.

Let parents, and students pick which teacher's classes their kids are assigned. If a teacher can't fill their classes they are replaced by someone who can. If the kids that low class size teachers have improve over what they had done previously that teacher gets a pass regardless of class size. If a teacher's classes are packed, but kids don't achieve at least with their level of previous attainment that teacher also has to go. That last of course to thwart the search for an easy teacher.

Oh that's right, teachers are protected by unions, or quasi-unions, can't do that. It always makes me laugh to hear teachers griping about unions when they are benificiaries of the last bastion of unions.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Nov 15, 2012, at 7:54 PM

It's not surprising lilmissme that upper management people send their kids to private school. That is true everywhere, good public schools or no. Hell they even put their kids on waiting lists for muckity muck day care/preparatory centers for two year olds before they are born. LOL

That dog won't hunt lilmm. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Nov 15, 2012, at 7:30 PM

Smart dog said

"When Marshall somehow manages to change it's demographics from a community with 75% of it's students living in poverty, which has not one **** thing to do with the age of the school buildings, then Marshall Public Schools can afford new facilities."

If we had new employers we might see that poverty level drop. Just one example, from a near by community with a new school; Pro energy, Sedalia, MO.

More good paying jobs = less poverty, right?

-- Posted by litlmissme on Thu, Nov 15, 2012, at 6:48 PM

Smart dog:

The people that I referenced that had children that are sent to Tinity, and St. Peters are all from upper management from one of the major employers in town. Conjecture, not so much. It is happening.

-- Posted by litlmissme on Thu, Nov 15, 2012, at 5:50 PM

Oops, forgot one.

I have spent an entire career in industry in several states. A fair amount of time in management positions with very successful companies.

Businesses that wish to expand will look at school district performance. That is definitely true, as that is an indicator of how well educated the potential workforce is in a community. They will not care about the age of the buildings. They will care if the graduates can read at a normal pace, write coherently, and do basic mathematics and algebra.

Even more important is the availability of post secondary education, community colleges and universities. We have several in the area, UCM, State Fair, Valley. We also have pretty good technology programs at SFCC.

We have a hospital, doctors, emergency care, and first responders, a respectable fire department and police department. Those things also count.

Find me a CEO who says that he won't locate a new operation or facility in a town due to the age of it's school buildings and I'll show you a CEO who either hasn't been in the job very long or won't be.

That excuse that business won't move here due to the age of school buildings is pure conjecture.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Thu, Nov 15, 2012, at 8:40 AM

litlmissme does a fine job of making my point.

Marshall has a bad case of "school envy."

Read up. The classroom teacher has a far bigger impact on the quality of education than anything else.

Want improved test scores? Bring back Don Garst or someone just like him. We need to hire quality teachers, not friends and relatives. Period.

(Can't wait to hear the roar from that one.)

Curriculum comes next.

Ask Kansas City Public Schools if throwing money into new facilities increases school performance. It doesn't. Statistics show that new buildings have no impact on non-performing schools.

Booneville has growth fueled by that shiny casino and all the jobs and small businesses that it brought with it. Sedalia has growth due to it's significant industrial and retail business base.

When Marshall somehow manages to change it's demographics from a community with 75% of it's students living in poverty, which has not one **** thing to do with the age of the school buildings, then Marshall Public Schools can afford new facilities.

Try prying some of that moldy money out of the pockets of our well off citizens and invest it in new jobs and increased paychecks for their employees and you might have some growth and increased tax base.

But, alas, there's the rub. Those well off folks didn't get where they are by letting go of their money.

We have that same problem in many aspects of society today. How to stimulate economic growth in Marshall is a very significant topic and should be discussed, but that would take another entire dissertation.

I still hold that without an increase in the tax base of school district, there is no way to fund an expansion of Marshall Public Schools.

By the way, was I right that there would be a corresponding increase in the operating levy for the district as well as a new debt service levy?

I seem to recall folks telling me I was wrong about that.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Thu, Nov 15, 2012, at 8:31 AM

Oldschool17,

The trailers have been there for kindergarden for years, decades even, and no one has done a single thing about it. They should have been replaced with permanent classrooms 20 years ago. I fault our school administration and school board over that time period for not doing anything about them. It appears that the trailers were left there in order to increase support for new schools. Interesting political strategy there. Exhibit incompetence then use the results of those incompetent decisions for justification to spend more money.

The enrollment at Marshall Public Schools has not increased in any significant amount in the past 40 years.

The previous record graduating class was 1972, a class of around 215 students. At that time there were 6 grades 7-12 in the old high school(Beuker). The over crowded conditions resulted in a school bond passing and the new high school being built.

In 2011 we graduated 206 I believe, for the second largest class ever. In 2012, the graduating class only had around 185 students. Average class size at MHS is around 170-190 students and has been there for decades.

Once the statistics are revealed you will see that what I say is correct. What we need to watch out for is creative application of statistics. Keep in mind that since 1972, the State of Missouri has pushed special needs kids into the public school system that used to attend state run institutions, such as Prarie View.

MY fear is that those who now see this as a contest will, in spite of voters, say anything that supports their cause in order to get their way. How is it you can be a school board member and make comments like "We are going to ram this thing through no matter what it takes." It is a sign of spoiled baby boomers who are more worried about winning, or helicopter parenting their adult children, than doing what is best for the community.

I love our big feeling Saline County brethren. They think because they thought of something it must be right.

Also, farmers pay significantly more property tax than the city folks, so those modest increases that will be advertised by the proponents (I'll refrain from calling them "whiny yuppies" but I agree with 1ofthegals sentiments) should be multiplied by 10 to arrive at the amount paid by farm land owners.

Something that costs an average property owner in Marshall around $150 to 200 peryear will most likely take about 5% of my net annual farm income.

Would you like it if somebody came along and said "I'm taking 5% of your take home salary to pay for something we really don't need, we just want it to keep up with our neighbors?"

Didn't think so.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Thu, Nov 15, 2012, at 8:16 AM

You ask if we have seen the new school in Sedalia. I sure have. I saw it right after I drove past ALL the businesses, shops, stores and industries to get to the school's location. I also saw that most of these places were already in Sedalia before the new school was built.

Having a new school would be great for Marshall. I don't deny that.... I just hope that when this thing goes through (and it will because like zombies it NEVER dies) that we the tax payers will be able to afford to pay for it.

-- Posted by 1OFTHEGALS on Wed, Nov 14, 2012, at 11:34 PM

New jobs and businesses won't consider Marshall as a viable possibility, if they look at our existing school system. Our current employers may decide to locate new operations in other locations in the future if enough people turn down positions due to the school system here; is that what Marshall wants?

Keep on turning down our schools until it begins to happen and see where Marshall is then, because you are right if one of our large employers decides to pull out because another location draws a better employee pool Marshall's economy won't be so rosey.

I know several parents of school age children now that choose to take their children to Trinity in Alma, and pay tuition instead of going to Marshall Public schools. I also know parents that are not Catholic that send their kids to St. Peters.

Even the smaller communities in this area have voted for new schools in recent years, Sweet Springs, Slater, why not Marshall?

Have you seen Sedalia's new school? It is time to move into this century, before it is too late.

-- Posted by litlmissme on Wed, Nov 14, 2012, at 5:44 PM

Eric...Thank you for helping me understand the plans. But unfortunately with these answers also comes more questions.

Are the schools zoned for business or residential? Where would the money go from the sales of the property? Do the neighbors of these properties have any say in who or what is allowed to get the properties?

I'm sure there are more questions to come. But once again thank you.

-- Posted by 1OFTHEGALS on Wed, Nov 14, 2012, at 5:39 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
I'll check on the zoning issue. There are provisions in the zoning ordinance for residents to comment on some issues, like when a zoning change is requested, etc.

I am unclear as to what would be done with the land where Southeast, Benton and Eastwood schools are located if the buildings are destroyed. What are the plans for these properties? Option 2 calls for the destruction of the 1920's buildings. What about the late 1960's addition to Eastwood?

And when this finally does happen and Marshall gets the new schools, will those in charge of the new buildings take as good of care of them as they have the old ones?

-- Posted by 1OFTHEGALS on Wed, Nov 14, 2012, at 4:18 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
The schools will be demolished if no one buys them within 6-12 months and the property will be put up for sale/redevelopment.

As I understand it, all of Eastwood and Southeast would be demolished and most of Benton. One newer wing of Benton would be used for the Satellite School.

Smart Dog, if the student numbers haven't increased as you say, than why do we need trailers outside of schools? Last I checked when I was in school we dind't need those except at Bueker, now I believe every school has one, so that would be a student increase! Personally that high school option 2 was one i hadn't thought of, i agree though the new building should be the elementary school to save from having to redue the high school to fit. Also that option does benefit everyone with new fields, new field turf (not astroturf)and making buses easier because they could just go to two locations mainly with Bueker & High School. I still think it's to early, because we have people like Smart Dog who would vote no even if the thing was free, i'd say wait another two years to let the dust settle, but at the same time waiting two years only means higher cost of any option because last I checked prices don't go down over time on things like building material and land!! People need to realize it's going to happen some day, so why not do it now, get ahead of the game instead of falling behind like we do everything else. Schools do matter to people & businesses moving here, not to mention I don't want my kids going to school in a trailer park!

-- Posted by oldschool17 on Wed, Nov 14, 2012, at 3:59 PM

Shouldn't the 5 times we've voted this thing DOWN tell you people something? The board is definitely setting an example for our children... Just keep whining and repeatedly asking for something NOT within your means. Sooner or later you will get what you want.

And when you DO ram this thing through I hope there are more job opportunities here in Marshall than what we have now. Also hope The Hab Center, Cargil or Conagra don't close. If just one of these places folds, Marshall will dry up just like other rural communities. Although Marshall will have a NICE NEW SHINY SCHOOL. IT MIGHT BE EMPTY BUT AIN'T IT PURDY?

-- Posted by 1OFTHEGALS on Wed, Nov 14, 2012, at 3:52 PM

If there is room on the high school campus for a new building why not make it an elementary building. That way there will not have to be the expense of remodeling the existing high school to work for younger students. The existing building can remain exactly what it is a high school and the new building can house the elementary grades, this saves on buying any land described in "Option 1". Maybe what I have just described could be called "Option 3".

-- Posted by CJK on Wed, Nov 14, 2012, at 3:38 PM

Eric:

I would like to see information on class size now vs 10 years, 20 years, 30 years ago if you have access to that information.

-- Posted by litlmissme on Wed, Nov 14, 2012, at 12:55 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
I'll see what I can do.

Now including 5th grade into the plan, this is more what I would be interested in voting for.

-- Posted by litlmissme on Wed, Nov 14, 2012, at 12:45 PM

Option 2 is the best plan yet...other than the cost. I see myself and my other family members voting for option 2!

-- Posted by willie makit on Wed, Nov 14, 2012, at 11:45 AM

Actually, this set of proposals does deal with the old buildings, and that's a plus.

Keep giving the board some input; it appears they might be listening this time.

-- Posted by Interested Too on Wed, Nov 14, 2012, at 9:19 AM

space.

-- Posted by outsider on Wed, Nov 14, 2012, at 8:29 AM

I've said all along that the lack of foresight by past officials is what's gotten us into this mess. The entire current high school campus is a study in poor planning. There's LOTS of wasted.

-- Posted by outsider on Wed, Nov 14, 2012, at 8:27 AM

Well, I'll say this. It is extremely easy to predict the future in Marshall.

As I pointed out earlier, the proposals will undoubtedly increase the operating levy in addition to the bond levy.

Interesting that the first plan floated proposes something that "The price tag will likely be much higher than the district's bonding capacity..."

I also believe that our school board hired Mr. Huff with one thing in mind, get us new school buildings, by any means necessary, whether we can afford them or not.

Once again, show me student enrollment increases and I'll show you a need for more classrooms. What's that, we don't have more students? Hmmmm...

By the way, where's the conservative proposal to add classrooms on to existing schools to get rid of the trailers? Well, I reckon that doesn't have the whiz factor that a $40 million dollar tax increase does, eh?

I have never seen a community that enjoyed taxing themselves as much as this one.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Wed, Nov 14, 2012, at 8:06 AM

Here we go again....

-- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Nov 14, 2012, at 5:07 AM


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