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  • Here's a nuther'n from right here in my back yard SD. There was collusion between the corrupt D. A. of Oklahoma County, and Joyce Gilchrist who lied about testing of evidence over, and over, thwarting the dispensing of justice. Neither spent one day looking at striped sunshine; probably because they knew too much about too many other criminals in the system. http://www.aclu.org/racial-justice_prisoners-rights_womens-rights_immigrants-rig...

    This link gives a summary of the whole nasty business, ya gotta read it. It will turn your stomach.


    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Nov 1, 2012, at 11:01 AM
  • smartdog,

    I think the Romney caimpaign lies about Chrysler is indicative of a team that knows their losing this election and is throwing up a hail mary pass.

    -- Posted by cheesehead on Thu, Nov 1, 2012, at 2:32 PM
  • "For Mitt Romney, it's one scary Halloween. The Presidential candidate has just learned that tomorrow afternoon he will charged with violating the federal Ethics in Government law by improperly concealing his multi-million dollar windfall from the auto industry bail-out"


    -- Posted by cheesehead on Thu, Nov 1, 2012, at 2:34 PM
  • Testing...my comments keep showing up on the last month Politics blog, though posted on the one started November 1st.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Nov 1, 2012, at 6:59 PM
  • You can mouth off about Romney all you want. But here is a fact that I want you all to see: The Gallup Poll finds that the 2012 election will actually have more Republicans and fewer Dems voting than any of the past 4 elections

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Thu, Nov 1, 2012, at 9:42 PM
  • Testing.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Nov 2, 2012, at 12:17 AM
  • Not just Texas Bohdi, also voting for a member of the Democratic Party at any level of government in Oklahoma.

    It is so bad here that the Corporatist Republicans in the state legislature are making alliances with the few remaining Democrats to thwart the Tea Party Republicans' efforts to pass bills such as one that would have created a statute that would have made it unlawful to use human fetuses in food products. I haven't eaten a locally produced hot dog since that one was voted down. ;)

    Yep, I also liked the fifty year comment. :)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Nov 2, 2012, at 11:03 PM
  • With all the Republican talk about "unleashing capitalism" and "slashing stifling regulations by the EPA", it's a good idea to consider the consequences. Here in NC, considered to be tops for business, a couple of fancy subdivisions near Wake Forest are facing exactly what can happen.

    A few years ago, a very small company was cleaning circuit boards in a small building. The used fluids were allowed to drain out a pipe directly onto the ground.

    Fast forward, the company was sold. The land was developed, homes built. The wells serving those homes are now contaminated w/cleaning solvents. EPA is testing and installing filtering systems in the homes. Costing megabucks.

    The owners of the company are in CA and aren't answering phones.

    -- Posted by upsedaisy on Sat, Nov 3, 2012, at 8:32 PM
  • With the election just a few days away we have all had the opportunity to express our hopes, and our fears. It is now time for each of us to make a prediction regarding the presidential race.

    I believe we will see a contest culminating in circumstances nearly as bizzare as the Gore/Bush contest of 2000. I think that many will feel that the election was stolen no matter who wins because the truth is that many don't trust either side these days.

    Keeping in mind that Republican cohorts control the electronic, no paper trail, voting machines I think that Romney will defy the polls prior to the election, and defy the findings from exit polls. He will unexpectedly win by a hair in enough of the swing states to eke out a victory. When I also take into consideration ongoing Republican efforts to deny as many likely Democratic voters access to the ballot as they possibly can I can not imagine any other outcome.

    Romney in a close one, though it may be awhile before that is declared. Don't waste your time staying up all election night to hear the winner declared, that ain't gonna happen.

    Pessimistic? Cynical? You bet.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Nov 4, 2012, at 12:49 AM
  • Oh yes, don't forget the Regressive persuasion of the majority of the Supreme Court. They would dearly love to massage their egos by annointing another ruler of their choice.

    Obama, nor America has a chance in hell this time around, the Corporatists/Fascists will step it up this time to a new level.

    I hope I am wrong more than I have ever hoped I was wrong in my life.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Nov 4, 2012, at 12:58 AM
  • Testing.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Nov 4, 2012, at 11:21 AM
  • News I appreciate your optimism, and hope that you are right with every fabric of my being. :)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Nov 4, 2012, at 3:03 PM
  • Is the Republican party still fueled by hate or fear?


    -- Posted by cheesehead on Sun, Nov 4, 2012, at 8:15 PM
  • Rotflmao News.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Nov 4, 2012, at 9:25 PM
  • You will never know the truth about anything from the G.O.P.! The American People are not that stupid too believe anything the liars have too say,or should know by now!! This is not just Political, its Criminal what has happened with some, (in both Parties)! The system has to change! Too be safe for now,,it better be Obama!

    -- Posted by Jo on Sun, Nov 4, 2012, at 9:42 PM
  • Well we changed the time today now don't forget to change your president on Tuesday.

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sun, Nov 4, 2012, at 11:22 PM
  • Might as well vote for o.

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sun, Nov 4, 2012, at 11:38 PM
  • Gaffe-a-minute biden and people still want to vote for them? One thing about it o has the loser and moron vote wrapped up, it will be interesting to see if they are a majority. Scary actually!

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sun, Nov 4, 2012, at 11:56 PM
  • That's ironic r, I think you are scary. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Nov 5, 2012, at 12:04 AM
  • Why is it that all the major news (and even the fair and unbalanced news) are showing most polls have the race for President close (within the margin of error), yet, no matter where I walk or visit, the vast majority of lawn signs show Romney/Ryan? Is it because the DNA of those from the right are much more "in your face" type individuals? And the more affluent neighborhoods have almost all yard signs for Romney. Yet, I know there are many Obama supporters who will vote quietly and not put a sign in their yard. There also seems to be a correlation between Romney signs and anti-abortion signs from the religious right. Anyone care to take a guess as to why GOP supporters put out yard signs at a much higher percentage than polls suggest their numbers are?

    -- Posted by RationalThinker on Mon, Nov 5, 2012, at 3:32 AM
  • One reason NOT to vote Libertarian is because it is a fringe party and doesn't have a chance to win. It is literally "throwing your vote away". However, since a pragmatic Libertarian would probably vote Republican, I probably shouldn't point that out to you. I know several idealists in Florida that decided it was important to vote for Ralph Nader instead of Kerry, purely to try and make a statement. They made that statement and besides wasting their vote, they ended up putting in office someone they detested worse than any other party had to offer. Another reason not to vote Libertarian.... Libertarians want to live In a bubble without sharing for the public good. If they had been born into a tribe, they would have been cast out as a non-contributing member. They were the ones who never learned to share their toys while growing up.

    -- Posted by RationalThinker on Mon, Nov 5, 2012, at 3:47 AM
  • Smart Dog:

    I am not surprised with any of the revelations you showed us. I suppose the neo-cons will say that the show you watched was a product of the liberal media.

    Actually, no big time politician is a friend of ours, some may have good intentions, but they still have their vested interests at heart.

    I must point out however; I've felt that Ryan and Akin were nut jobs a long time ago. Everything I've heard recently just reaffirms this opinion.

    -- Posted by Interested Too on Mon, Nov 5, 2012, at 9:21 AM
  • I hope all the libs are ready for the Romney/Ryan tsunami tomorrow. Don't be unprepared like those on the east coast thinking government can save you.

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Mon, Nov 5, 2012, at 11:51 AM
  • rr3yvo,

    Ok, I'll bite. Then what?

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Mon, Nov 5, 2012, at 12:32 PM
  • News, Congratulations,my friend, on the Grandson! Hope all go's well for the Family! And good luck too your Son that's leaving! Nana, Yes i think it's too risky Voting the Third Party at this time,for America. Its just a feeling i have! I think the Opposition is determined too rid this Country of the Democratic Brand,through any means Possible! I think when they show their real Character it will be very hard for them too hang on to their own Brand! When American People check into their Ideology closely, it will click,i hope! The Government is the only entity big enough too keep the People safe from Predators, ready to eat you alive! Like News said, at the right time,it has to be a more Social World too survive the Crazies! Lets go too the Polls People,once in that line, (STAY) that's all we can do. The suppression of the Vote, is what there counting on,hang in there !

    -- Posted by Jo on Mon, Nov 5, 2012, at 2:53 PM
  • No predictions by anyone excepting News, r, Jason, and myself? Come on folks display your political savvy. :)

    Thus far the predictions run 3 to 1 for Romney.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Nov 5, 2012, at 6:41 PM
  • Okla: In an Honest Election and Common Sense thinking from the Electorate, there NO way Obama can lose! All that Money was there for a reason,and it wasn't because Romney is an Honest Man, and right man for the job! He's shown his Character! And the Republicans Parties disgust for integrity, and the American People!

    -- Posted by Jo on Mon, Nov 5, 2012, at 8:43 PM
  • Nate Silver who has a good track record of analyzing polls and elections predicts Pres Obama has a 92% chance of winning reelection. So if you are a betting person place your money on the president. This site provides links to all the polls also. Silver does base analysis on polls so basically what he is saying the only way Romney wins is if most of the polls are wrong.


    -- Posted by cheesehead on Mon, Nov 5, 2012, at 10:34 PM
  • Nate Silver does not account for post vote fraud, electronic, and otherwise. Romney wins by the skin of his lying lips, though it may take a long time to get finalized.

    The big story of this election may be ballot manipulation fraud, (not voter fraud).

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Nov 6, 2012, at 12:36 AM
  • OK, after seeing what the turnout looks like across the country; I am saying Obama wins, as it is generally conceeded that he has the best ground organization.

    It's still coming down to Ohio, by all accounts.

    -- Posted by Interested Too on Tue, Nov 6, 2012, at 9:24 AM
  • There is no way Obama wins in Saline County though.

    But Missouri is an interesting state. Polls have Romney by 10%, if he has coattails, then Akin will win. If Missouri splits the vote, then the only real campaign that would suggest a split vote is the Akin/ McCaskill race. Therefore, I feel Akin wins by a nose.

    -- Posted by Interested Too on Tue, Nov 6, 2012, at 10:09 AM
  • IT and SD I really hope you guys are right. Your points are well taken.

    I hope I am wrong in my opinion that Romney will carry the day via election manipulation.

    By the way SD you have grown as a humorist since you began posting. Keep 'em coming. :)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Nov 6, 2012, at 10:42 AM
  • A better question might be "If Obama loses, who's going to pay the bill from New Black Panthers for their intimidation practices at polling places in Philly ... again?"

    -- Posted by gentle ben on Tue, Nov 6, 2012, at 12:50 PM
  • LOL News. I am hoping that he will have to clean them himself, at least tonight. If it is an Obama landslide that may be a load that he deserves to handle. But then it may be that one of the properties of that occult underwear is self cleaning. Too bad he doesn't have magic mittens because his hands haven't been clean for a long time. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Nov 6, 2012, at 12:54 PM
  • No link gb? Wach you talkin' bout Willis?

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Nov 6, 2012, at 12:56 PM
  • GB

    The same people who will have to pay the attorney general of Ohio for his voter suppression tactics....we the people. (Although I am sure that the Koch brothers have handsomely rewarded him already.)

    -- Posted by Interested Too on Tue, Nov 6, 2012, at 1:07 PM
  • Good Lord gb...a predominately black precinct? Don't ya think that any folks who are white, and voting in that precinct see big strong black men every day? AND he was an official poll watcher! Do you always hit the sauce early on election day? ;) ROTFLMAO X 2.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Nov 6, 2012, at 1:37 PM
  • "Enough Donkey and Elephant, long live the Lamb." http://www.huffingtonpost.com/shane-claiborne/jesus-for-president-2012_b_2078351...

    Another option for those who are looking at alternatives.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Nov 6, 2012, at 1:49 PM
  • OKR - I am truly surprised at your response to my comment. It seemed rather immature for a person of your stature. Something I would have expected from others - not you.

    To the others - not that you will care one bit - but I am also offended by your race-centered remarks. I have never been a racist. Some of my best friends are black or hispanic or American Indian. Went to school with blacks and hispanics and native americans as well as Italian Americans and hard working white middle class folks. Never have had a problem with race.

    I do, however, have a problem with intimidation of anyone by anyone - whether it is from the conservative right or the liberal left. If the stories posted about Florida and Oregon and Ohio are true - shame on those folks as well.

    In fact - I think that's what some of you do best - you bully and intimidate (verbally) others for expressing their own beliefs until they say "enough" and stop posting - then you say they couldn't stand the proverbial heat so they left the also-proverbial kitchen.

    And I hesitate to ask this because I do not want to come off sounding like a Romney supporter (I have made it clear I think they are all puppets and will do as they are directed - so it's hard to hold any of them accountable for what they say they'll do) but where is your precious "trustworthy news link" (if there is such a thing)or peer-reviewed evidence-based proof that Romney even wears underwear - much less Magic Underwear?

    So sad.

    -- Posted by gentle ben on Tue, Nov 6, 2012, at 2:13 PM
  • Long ago, in the sixties two sweet little old Marshall Republican sisters who had been election workers for years were caught (dare I say it) RED handed throwing ballots cast by Democrats in the trash. Do you reckon News that such behavior is just unresistable to the hard right? You know that brain difference thang. ;)

    By the way if you are persistent, and continue linking all the Republican transgressions Eric is going to have to delete your comment; not because of content, but because it will run too long for this forum.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Nov 6, 2012, at 2:23 PM
  • Gentle Ben: I have never called you on any Comment,but this one is so obvious! This Man is not Presidential.just as Bush was inept! And history has proven this! Common sense told us this in the beginning.People has not used there gut feeling, and has made a lot of mistakes! We judge all kinds of People every day,but lose that sense when it comes too People of power.Maybe we listen to the lies being told.I was a Bartender for awhile and judged People every day on there demeanor. Wasn't wrong that many times!

    -- Posted by Jo on Tue, Nov 6, 2012, at 2:32 PM
  • All I have to say gb is that your verification was sloppy thus you made an irresponsible comment. I expect better from you so back at you.

    Get used to the higher standard for some of us; I have, and I welcome it. We are different than the robo voices that pop up with the same parroted message over, and over.

    I am harder on myself, and my politically akin friends of this blog. We need to fact check ourselves to remain above reproach.

    Anyway I appreciate you, your comments, and hope that you stay with us on this election watch. :)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Nov 6, 2012, at 2:38 PM
  • Don't worry - I'll be here.

    And I will say it again - I don't know where people get it that I am a die hard Republican and a Romney backer.

    I must have slipped up somewhere.

    Anyway - it'll be interesting whose string gets pulled this time around.

    I may have voted with news on the third party - who knows?

    -- Posted by gentle ben on Tue, Nov 6, 2012, at 2:59 PM
  • Boldili: One thing i agree with what you've been Posting.That's the Electoral College! Rid this Country of the Filibuster It's antiquated for this time in History! Just like a lot of other Law's! Popular Vote in any decisions being made about anything,that has always been the true Democracy of anything! After all this is over,there should be some Prosecutions going on, for Voter Suppression! Just like Bush & Cheney,& others should have been charged with Treason!

    -- Posted by Jo on Tue, Nov 6, 2012, at 3:03 PM
  • Also - does it seem that some of the senatorial candidates may have written Obama off? There are a lot of new ads that say something like "if Mitt Romney wins you'll need me in the Senate so your voice can be heard" and the such. That sounds almost like early concession. Even McCaskill - who should have absolutely NO PROBLEM retaining her senate seat against that dipstick Akin - is pointing out where she "stood up to President Obama" on first one thing then another. What's up with that?

    -- Posted by gentle ben on Tue, Nov 6, 2012, at 3:04 PM
  • Wow! I can see there is a lot of debate going on in here! Never was much of a debater - too timid to be blatantly confrontational. But at least this shows at least a few folks are interested. That's a good thing!

    -- Posted by shep on Tue, Nov 6, 2012, at 3:10 PM
  • Welcome to the fray Shep. :)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Nov 6, 2012, at 3:45 PM
  • For gb: Mitt Romney wears the prescribed Mormon underwear. It is compelled clothing for devout Mormons, Mitt states he is a devout Mormon, ergo he wears Mormon underwear.

    there are lots of links that confirm it. http://www.quora.com/Does-Mitt-Romney-we...

    If he is elected he will be the first President in a long time for whom the tired old question boxers or briefs will be inappropriate.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Nov 6, 2012, at 5:23 PM
  • It is much too early to draw conclusions about today's election. However it is beginning to look like the "New Irish" are beginning to flex their political muscle.

    I have written before on these blogs, with respect, and admiration, about the Latino immigrants who now do the dirty work of America. It is a repetition of what the Irish did mid-nineteenth century, thus I call them the New Irish.

    If Obama should pull out a win, he will owe it to the New Irish who are the big bunch that is the power of the coalition that will elect him.

    The next step is for them to extract from him the concessions owed. That is the way it works. The Latinos will be a defining force in American politics for the next fifty years, as were the Irish before them. Habla espanol?

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Nov 6, 2012, at 7:45 PM
  • News:

    Congratulations on the grandchild, and prayers that all goes well:)

    -- Posted by litlmissme on Tue, Nov 6, 2012, at 8:23 PM
  • Echo 9 Hotel for some reasom you seem familiar. Just wonderin, are you acquainted with military tactical flanking?

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Nov 6, 2012, at 11:22 PM
  • It's really sad that half of America voted for the destruction of it.

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Tue, Nov 6, 2012, at 11:46 PM
  • It is interesting how the libs want to stop all wars.

    They all just voted to continue the:

    war on women

    war on coal

    war on oil

    war on health care

    war on poverty

    war on the middle class

    When energy prices are high, food prices are high and health care is high who does it hurt the worst? The poor and middle class. Thank a liberal for putting us all in poverty.

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Nov 7, 2012, at 12:33 AM
  • Yipppeeeeee!

    -- Posted by Interested Too on Wed, Nov 7, 2012, at 5:10 AM
  • rr3yvo,

    Once again your hysyeria is unfounded. Relax, join the converstation. Let's all move forward...or do you just want to take your ball and go home?

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Nov 7, 2012, at 5:36 AM
  • rr3yvo,

    As to your last two posts. It looks exactly like a post I saw on Facebook. Are you a plagerist or did you just blow your cover?

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Nov 7, 2012, at 5:48 AM
  • I'm happy it went as far as it did,but they still hold the house! That means Nothing happens that will amount to anything! The way the System works as far as change will never happen! So what has changed? Still grid lock.I don't see much going on.I do know Obama had better be more assertive!Our Infrastructure will fall down around our Ears!

    -- Posted by Jo on Wed, Nov 7, 2012, at 8:46 AM
  • Hey people,

    I have not posted before but have read a lot of posts. Please use your dictionary before posting.

    I am so tired of words spelled wrong and blatant errors in the use of the English language showing your ignorance.

    -- Posted by SalineGran on Wed, Nov 7, 2012, at 10:13 AM
  • A lot of people are going to be ill on Jan. 1 if nothing is done during this lame duck session about taxes. On that day, the Bush tax cuts expire and a whole lot of people (L and R) are going to be royally ****** when they look at their pay checks.

    Even those who don't pay federal income tax are going to be hurt, because the people who do pay are going to cut back on expenses. That means things like less eating out to less purchasing of durable goods. That translates into less jobs and more layoffs.

    Small business owners are going to see their taxes go up and their willingness to expand their businesses will take a plunge. More layoffs will ensue.

    One day later, the $110 billion in automatic spending "sequesters" set in motion by last year's debt deal take effect, slashing equally from defense and domestic spending. Layoffs will follow. And that will affect both R and D voters.

    There is a potential for huge civil unrest.

    -- Posted by Gal66 on Wed, Nov 7, 2012, at 10:48 AM
  • Gal66,

    I know the media hasnt showed you this, but many economists are predicting more jobs in 2013 and that in 2014 they are predicting 250,000 jobs a month. So regardless of youre ideological rant you should actually listen to the experts in this field and not politicians or Fox news.


    -- Posted by cheesehead on Wed, Nov 7, 2012, at 1:10 PM
  • SalineGran I share your appreciation for written language.

    However, I always keep in mind that grammar skills are not necessarily congruous with the ability to think, and express illuminating ideas.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Nov 7, 2012, at 1:42 PM
  • cheesehead for your information I do not get my thoughts from fox or politicians they are mine and mine alone.

    I know if the bush tax cuts are allowed to expire my take home pay will go down period as will everyone else's that works for a living!

    Let me ask you a question what Has the past 4 years done for you?

    Are you better off now than then financially?

    Now let it be know I am not laying this at the feet of anyone group or person and that is why I myself did not vote for an Incumbent, with the exception of those running unopposed.

    PS I hope Moodys is right!

    -- Posted by Gal66 on Wed, Nov 7, 2012, at 2:13 PM
  • man jo that was hard, to the fact but hard......LOL

    -- Posted by Gal66 on Wed, Nov 7, 2012, at 2:14 PM
  • This not my own work but the work of a friend that does not want to give his real name or post it himself.

    posted on another forum by jazznut "Where does American conservatism go from here?

    It would appear that Americans have elected to maintain the status quo as regards the White House and Senate, for whatever that's worth.

    And now the Republicans are faced with the unenviable task of having to once again reinvent the party (not to mention search anew for potential leaders) in the hope of working toward garnering greater gains in both the next Congressional and Presidential election years.

    So where exactly does the Republican Party look in undertaking this task? Does it turn toward solidifying its more conservative-leaning aspirations via policy and personnel choices? Or does it veer more toward the sometimes nebulous and oftentimes volatile middle ground politically in an effort to appeal to centrists?

    One of the major reasons I'm asking these questions is because I and my fellow Canadians have, over the last decade, experienced a rather significant electoral shift (both in terms of the political affiliation of the majority of members of Parliament and the Federal party in power) as the Conseravtive Party under Prime Minister Stephen Harper has wrested control from the Liberal Party. Harper and his party have achieved this through a conscious effort to take the more rightist-leaning elements of the old Reform Party of western Canada and envelope those desires within a basically centrist philosophy aimed squarely at appealing to a broader range of the electorate. His success in this venture is clear to all.

    Admittedly, conservatism north of the border isn't directly comparable with its American counterpart. (We still maintain relatively far-reaching social assistance programs and are taxed accordingly.) But the wave of support Harper and his party are enjoying still begs the question, "Would the Republican Party in the United States contemplate a similar strategy in order to try to oust the Democrats?"

    As always, I'm very interested in hearing thouhts (and feelings) from my neighbours."

    -- Posted by Gal66 on Wed, Nov 7, 2012, at 2:28 PM
  • Gal66,

    Actually my family and I are better off financially then we were 4 years ago and we will be better off in the next few years.

    Im no economists, but have had some college level studies in this area. The only tax cuts that we want to expire are on those making over 250,000 yearly. The main problem effecting our future economic standing is the debt not taxes. The argument that higher taxes is going to hurt businesses is not historically true.

    If we dont raise taxes on the rich or get out of wars or decrease defense spending then we will have to ask those living off social securtiy or elderly people to pay more for healthcare.

    -- Posted by cheesehead on Wed, Nov 7, 2012, at 2:56 PM
  • Another slant on Romney's concession speech. I am truly relieved that he was not elected.


    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Nov 7, 2012, at 7:50 PM
  • ND your reply to jazznut was on the money. What else is new. :)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Nov 7, 2012, at 7:52 PM
  • It's the freebies stupid..........no longer the economy stupid...

    --post on a blog by DETROIT PAPERBOY

    I got to thinking that why would anybody not vote for Santa Claus. I guess if I was on the take I would have voted for o.

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Nov 7, 2012, at 10:39 PM
  • Gee r, now that is a real reach. By that logic you should be proud of the idiotic remarks by every peckerwood, red neck idiot on the farthest right fringes of the Tea Party. Of course you do not. Only an idiot would think something like that. See what I mean? ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Nov 7, 2012, at 11:10 PM
  • For some reason okr I have you pictured to look like dingy harry reid.

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Nov 7, 2012, at 11:34 PM
  • I have nothing against Harry Reid r, but I don't look a thing like him. I'm vain enough even at my age (seventy two as of later this day) to think it is an unfavorable comparison.

    The only well known person that I have ever been repeatedly physically compared to was Sean Connery, and that was a long time ago when I was in my forties. Some of the guys, and girls who were my son's high school class mates used to tell me that. So did my wife. I'm old now, still stand up straight, not as tall, nor as strong, but still what weight I have is muscle. Oh yea, and I don't have a beard much of the time anymore because it inhibits the treatment of rosacea that came on a few years ago.

    What about you?

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Nov 8, 2012, at 12:21 AM
  • A truly appreciated compliment ND. Thank you.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Nov 8, 2012, at 12:22 AM
  • That fits you Nana; I pictured you as having a pleasing honest face with truth seeking eyes, and a whole lot of character.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Nov 8, 2012, at 12:46 AM
  • Oh yea, and Nana it has been a looong time since I have heard the Connery comparison. The last time was a few years back when my son said remember when, and my wife said that was a long time ago. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Nov 8, 2012, at 12:50 AM
  • Hey News that pretty much fits how I had pictured you, partly (I'm sure) from things you have said on the blogs. Well all, but the ugly part LOL which I'm going to consider to be as self deprecation.

    It is hard for rational people to describe themselves without a little self deprecation.

    Back to you r, care to share what you see in the mirror?

    I'll take a stab at you, don't take offense if I am way off. Gonna say about 5' 8' to 5' 10', well fed, a big head (physically), and a florid complexion. If you smoke at all it is cigars.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Nov 8, 2012, at 1:12 AM
  • Rotflmao News.

    Gotta add that as they will no longer be donkeys, nor elephants that they should choose the lemming as their mascot.

    Of course such a break from the Republican party would leave the Republicans, by definition, the rump party. Undoubtably they would soon become known as the Rumps, or Rump Republicans. ;)


    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Nov 8, 2012, at 1:02 PM
  • Nana - OKR -

    Retired? - Social Worker? - Teacher? - Journalist???

    Just wonderin.


    -- Posted by gentle ben on Thu, Nov 8, 2012, at 1:35 PM
  • I would have guessed OKR to look like Connery - or some version of him (maybe as King Arthur in First Night) ... and the picture news across paints of himself sounds right on as well ... But I completely missed on the nandot / ferrell connection. Completley missed - not close - completely missed.

    -- Posted by gentle ben on Thu, Nov 8, 2012, at 1:40 PM
  • news - What can I - some folks have all the luck - or - in your case - some folks made all the right decisions early on. Congrats!

    -- Posted by gentle ben on Thu, Nov 8, 2012, at 2:34 PM
  • OKR posted "Back to you r, care to share what you see in the mirror?

    I'll take a stab at you, don't take offense if I am way off. Gonna say about 5' 8' to 5' 10', well fed, a big head (physically), and a florid complexion. If you smoke at all it is cigars."

    You may or may not have be right about r but you just about nailed me......LOL

    6' 0" very very well fed, a big head (physically 7-7/8 hat size), and a florid complexion. If I smoke at all it is cigars I have a real like for the ISOM.

    -- Posted by Gal66 on Thu, Nov 8, 2012, at 3:43 PM
  • LOL Galaxy66 that is not how I pictured you. Just for grins I saw you as a guy that works hard every day, around six feet, maybe even a bit lanky, with thinning hair, who (obviously) likes to tinker with classic cars in his spare time, and have a beer, or two as he does it. :)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Nov 8, 2012, at 5:56 PM
  • Retired gb. My career was in the insurance industry (claims). I did a lot of investigations, fraud, fire, and accidents mostly. I at times was in management, also handled only litigation files, and was a company liason with attorneys for several companies that I worked for. Owned my own one man business the last five years before retirement, doing complex investigations for various insurance companies, and Avis Rent-A-Car.

    Oh yea, and I am largely self-educated.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Nov 8, 2012, at 6:09 PM
  • Romney lost and its not big deal here is why nothing will get done the democrats and republicans would have to bend a little and that is not going to happen.. What must the Republicans do to rebound. Then need concentrate on the boardroom and not the bedroom. According to the bible each person has a free will let them answer him and not the republicans. 2 I think they should re think the war on drugs still out law the big ones cocaine, exctasy, meth etc. But move towards more of a treatment to the problem instead of hard punishment... They need to not concentrate so much on abortion again its a personal decision and no matter how much we explain that it should be the states who decides this not the feds women will still think we are for taking their right away. We need to practice a more libertarian view. Gay marriage rather its a personal choice or born this way we need to stay out of it again they have to answer to their god it is their personal relationship. On immigration we need to still be against illegal immigration but realize that is not right to make grandma go back home give them a residency card let them contribute with their taxes, increase legal immigration to 2 or 3 million a year instead of the 1 million ceiling streamline the immigration process...More than anything except the election result and in 4 years we can run on blame it on Obama.. But seriously the demographics have change and we need to recognize it. Also Obama care is the law of the land we can not change it now but we can tweak it to make it run better and to address the concerns we have.

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Thu, Nov 8, 2012, at 9:49 PM
  • Before we leave this election behind here is a selection of typical Romney supporters explaining why they voted for Romney, or at least trying to explain. It is also informative to hear their reasons why they won't vote for Obama. Check out the video.

    You won't hear anything except an occasional snarl from these folks for another four years. Then they will arise once again to lurch like zombies toward the polling station to cast their vote based on vague reasons that they can not express. They only know they must.

    It would be funny if it was not so tragic, and dangerous. http://www.ostroyreport.com/2012/11/the-real-takeaway-from-election.html

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Nov 8, 2012, at 11:57 PM
  • Gosh News it sounds like you get to do each day the same things that the panhandlers can if they run into a few guys like you so they may have a bite, a beer, and a bus ride. Now that takes egalitarianism to a new extreme. ;)

    I'll say this J69 if the Repubniks had followed your strategies instead of the ones their best minds came up with it would have at the least been a closer election. Kinda scary huh that those are the best minds they have. Also kinda scary what those best minds would have done if elected. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Nov 9, 2012, at 12:13 AM
  • ND do you think that maybe if the fiscal conservatives in congress can summons the guts to form an alliance with the Democrats we could get some of the people's business done? To say it another way is it even possible that they will fall on their swords, and commit political suicide for the good of their country?

    I wonder if it would help to seal that pragmatic grand bargain if the powers of the Democratic Party would agree to forego stiff resistance to such individuals in their next election cycle, and even encourage Democrats to vote for them in open primary states?

    LOL, look how desperate things are, but then desperate times call for desperate actions. Things are going to explode one way or the tuther.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Nov 9, 2012, at 12:37 AM
  • OK the election in my opinion was won because Obama had run so much attack adds while Romney was still in the primary race of his life. These attack ads were not answered for 3 months. Democrats were able to key in on him and label him. They even got to say he was basically a murderer. He was labeled by the dems and not by himself another reason is that Romney played it safe after the first debate he should of been more aggressive after that and when Sandy hit he should of been more out there keeping himself in the news everybody forgot about him and conentrated on Sandy.. And images of Governor CHristie hugging Obama and him saying how great Obama did not help this erased one of the key arguements that Obama was not willing to compromise. Image is everything and that hurt us.

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Fri, Nov 9, 2012, at 5:54 AM
  • OKR posted this statement "It would be funny if it was not so tragic, and dangerous." about a video he found.

    OKR I understand that some of the Romney supporters are way out there on the right hell I would say even some are idiots.

    If the people in that video are typical Romney supporters then are the people in this clip typical Obama supporters?


    If they are then "It would be funny if it was not so tragic, and dangerous."

    -- Posted by Gal66 on Fri, Nov 9, 2012, at 8:23 AM
  • G66 you are right, the same goes for those folks, and to be honest I didn't even watch the video at your link, just read the stuff.

    I have long mulled the thought that maybe we would be better off if folks had to earn a civics certificate to vote, and maybe even get paid for successful completion.

    The problem of course would be how to implement it in a fair, and equal manner. To me there is something grand about the concept of a citizenry marching down the aisle to proudly receive their certificates allowing them to become a real decider in the future of our nation.

    I am, conditioned to believe in the protestant work ethic that something earned is of more value to each of us than something given.

    Yea I know, as Sara Palin might say it, I am going all utopian on you. :)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Nov 9, 2012, at 10:58 AM
  • Mornin' ND. :)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Nov 9, 2012, at 11:00 AM
  • Jason,

    You obviously didnt get the memo that Fox news lied to its viewers, yet you are still spewing out the viewpoints that you hear on Fox. The truth is that everyone knew Obama was going to win reelection, but to the contrary Fox news spilled hope and lies to its right wing viewers.

    Jason save yourself and your party by turning off Fox and actually go searching for answers in the form of factual data.

    -- Posted by cheesehead on Fri, Nov 9, 2012, at 12:09 PM
  • News you posted the other day "Gal66, Unless you are rich with an income of $200,000.00 a year, you get zero direct benefits from the Bush tax cuts."

    This is from the last link you posted.

    "The tax increases would raise the average tax burden by almost $3,500 per taxpayer in 2013, according to According to the Tax Policy Center. This would happen because the current income tax rates and some tax breaks are scheduled to expire or shrink on Dec. 31. Among them, the popular middle-class tax break, a $1,000-per-child tax credit for each child age 17 and younger, would be cut in half.

    In addition, starting on Jan. 1, the Affordable Care Act imposes a $20 billion tax increase on people with incomes above $200,000, or $250,000 for joint filers. Adding to the tax increase, a temporary reduction in the Social Security payroll tax is set to expire at year end."

    Thats over $250 for me a month how does that effect me?

    What am I missing?

    -- Posted by Gal66 on Fri, Nov 9, 2012, at 2:22 PM
  • Jason,

    I actually agree with a small part of your statement. I think Sandy did hurt Mitt a bit, as he lost some important coverage. However, I think it just made people who were a bit unsure about Obama a little more secure. I don't think it made anyone stand outside for 6 to 8 hours to vote though.

    Those people were committed already.

    For everyone else...this fabricated 'Fiscal Cliff' should show us all if we have any chance at a dialogue, or if we are going to have 2 more years of nonsense.

    I hope that Obama can close some loopholes in the tax code, and that Republicans will go along with that.

    My other hope is that Obama can see that many Republicans are truly concerned about the tax on the rich; insofar that it has to do with business owners who may have a large gross income, but very little net income. Maybe there is some wiggle room in the taxing of the rich in those instances.

    Anyway, it seems possible for some compromise, and I truly hope they can do it.

    -- Posted by Interested Too on Fri, Nov 9, 2012, at 2:30 PM
  • News we are not behind the PSC 100%, if we were he would have gotten 100% of the vote. We don't need more taxes on anyone period we need across the board spending cuts that is the only solution. Your pie in the sky government multiplier does not work and never has and if you believe that well I'm sorry.

    What about the people affected by Sandy now? They are begging for someone to help. They are not getting any and if they are it is very, very slow. There was a sign on FEMA's door that they were closed because of weather. I thing it is worse response then Katrina but the bleeding hearst libs don't care because of the man in charge can do no wrong. You really can't see that? I mean you seem to be an intelligent person. PSC will fail in his second term exponentially worse then the first one. Don't doubt me. I seen it coming 4+ years ago and our PSC has done nothing to change it.

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Fri, Nov 9, 2012, at 2:48 PM
  • Gal you are missing a degree in economics that makes you lose all common sense, think that theory reflects reality and that spending a dollar can magically turn into 2 or 3. Shazaam! LOL

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Fri, Nov 9, 2012, at 2:52 PM
  • News posted "Gal66


    Let's see...divided by 365 days a year = 68 cents.

    I spend more than that at Mackers.

    Pay your taxes -- those wars you love aren't cheap!


    If you could only comprehend what I posted.....

    I said $250 a month please pay attention!

    Thats $3500 for the average tax payer in 2013

    I get that by (3500/26)*2 = 269.23 and I averaged down to $250

    Like I said $250 a MONTH is a lot of money to me.

    But I guess it's not to you since you are financially set for life.

    Man it sure seem's capitalism worked for you or someone in your family.

    One more thing I would like you to show me the post I said I love wars please, and if you can't an honorable man would retract that!

    -- Posted by Gal66 on Fri, Nov 9, 2012, at 6:56 PM
  • Well my math must have been right or I am sure you would have pointed it out!

    I guess we all see the side of honorable you fall on!

    You have a wonderful weekend and I hope your grandson is doing well.

    -- Posted by Gal66 on Fri, Nov 9, 2012, at 7:39 PM
  • If I didn't know better you think JFK was a neo con "Our tax system still siphons out of the private economy too large a share of personal and business purchasing power and reduces the incentive for risk, investment and effort -- thereby aborting our recoveries and stifling our national growth rate."

    -- John F. Kennedy, Jan. 24, 1963, message to Congress on tax reduction and reform, House Doc. 43, 88th Congress, 1st Session.

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Fri, Nov 9, 2012, at 10:03 PM
  • You wouldn't even begin to think that he was a neocon J69 if you had known the top federal income tax rate was 91% when John Kennedy said that. :)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Nov 9, 2012, at 11:44 PM
  • I am not advocating lowering the tax rates but I am advocating everybody paying a fair share eliminate the tax loop holes eliminate the tax credits, if you are getting a tax return you are not paying fed taxes you are just paying payroll taxes...I say when you do that then you have to right to ask others to pay more.

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Sat, Nov 10, 2012, at 10:12 AM
  • Here is another point. When the federal budget is cut the average Joe should not for even a minute think it is in the long run coming back to his wallet.

    Among the first things that get slashed are things that help our states, and cities make necessary repairs to infrastructure, to assist with costly services to the mentally ill, to help maintain, and to furnish equipment to police departments, and a myriad of other necessary things.

    Note that I said necessary things. Thus the cities, and states must fund them. The result is higher city, and state sales tax rates, higher state income tax rates, higher property taxes, and higher fees for car tags, driver's licenses, hunting licenses, building permits, and anything else we need to do, or enjoy doing; among other things sort of a tax on pleasure, and domestic bliss. ;)

    Paying for national, and local maintenance has been, since the long ago rise of the middle class, the burden assumed by the middle class. There ain't no break for John and Mary Doe, they just are occasionally directed to a different pay station. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Nov 10, 2012, at 12:35 PM
  • I see a lot of companies are making plans for the affordable healthcare act. Its all bad they are shifting to part time workers that means 29 hours or less, because after 30 hours they are required to provide health care. Papa Johns is going to do a slight increase in pizza costs and move people down to part time. And there are others.

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Sat, Nov 10, 2012, at 10:30 PM
  • I guess my point is if these bigger companies are doing it then the smaller ones going to do it to. They are going to cut to get the most out of their money...Its only logic when you know you can escape obama care cost by going to part time employees or reducing your employees then as an owner you are going to naturally find a way to make it more economically friendly towards you.

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Sun, Nov 11, 2012, at 7:03 AM
  • Why is it that most racists when called on their remarks, always deny they are racist, even when challenged about the most blatantly racist statements? Here is a typical example: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/09/denise-helms-california-woman-hopes-oba...

    The typical rationalization, as in this illustration is, "I'm not racist, I am just expressing my opinion". That justification in itself indicates that such individuals can not think logically. It verifies that they do not even conceive that an opinion may be racist, that in their wacky minds you get a Kings X when it comes to judgement of your opinions. They can not ever "get it" that though they are entitled to their opinion, others are entitled to judge it. Thus they fly into rages, and/or denial when others exercise their right. They are outraged that someone dare to call them racist.

    I have seen such behavior on this blog. Have you?

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Nov 11, 2012, at 3:55 PM
  • Republicans Consider Welcoming People Who Believe in Math and Science.

    "Just because we don't believe in those things doesn't mean we can't get along with people who do," he said. "We want to send this message: math and science Americans are Americans, too."

    Read more: http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/borowitzreport/2012/11/republicans-conside...

    -- Posted by cheesehead on Sun, Nov 11, 2012, at 7:50 PM
  • Good stuff CH, thanks. Here's another from the same Dude for those who want a click of the mouse to be immediately followed by cause for laughter.


    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Nov 11, 2012, at 8:19 PM
  • Food for thought; Political Racism in The Age of Obama http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/11/opinion/sunday/political-racism-in-the-age-of-...

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Nov 11, 2012, at 11:52 PM
  • A trenchant, and hilarious send up of Romney, and the white male establishment by Maureen Dowd from the Sunday Times. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/11/opinion/sunday/dowd-romney-is-president.html?_...

    Oh yeah, there is a word in it with which I was unfamiliar, "gallimaufry". To save many of you the trouble of looking it up it means a hodgepodge, a jumble of various things or people.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Nov 12, 2012, at 12:14 AM
  • Your ignorance over conservative values really shows news...

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Mon, Nov 12, 2012, at 8:51 AM
  • Democrat party should have a different name The Anti Founding Fathers Part or The Islamic Socialist Part oh and here is another The So left They Are Neigbors to China party.

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Mon, Nov 12, 2012, at 8:54 AM
  • And your immature taunts reflect on your politic ideology all most child like.

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Mon, Nov 12, 2012, at 8:56 AM
  • Jason,

    Conservative should relate to your party's views on economy and governmental control of money.

    Somewhere along the way; abortion, gun control and religion got mixed in.

    I come from a long line of Democrats and find your remarks objectionable.

    My family has social workers, preachers, people with old time values in it and every one of us is employed. Some even own small businesses.

    How does that sit with your views on Democrats? Can you explain how people who are honest, God fearing and employed are not GOP based?

    I can. We hold that everyone deserves a chance, and that people of all color and backgrounds are entitled to getting opportunities.

    You often talk about your child having some problems. You are a good and supportive dad. What if your child had been born to a black, single mother in the inner city. Is he now a freeloader; unworthy of some intervention to improve his life?

    -- Posted by Interested Too on Mon, Nov 12, 2012, at 10:06 AM
  • News, you mentioned on Saturday that you were in favor of a flat tax on gross receipts. I don't think that will work under our current economic and regulatory systems. It's too wide-open to being gamed.

    Here's the easy way - agency. Every retailer will become the 'agent' of each of its suppliers, never taking title to the goods it sells. It only collects a commission on the sale - what we now refer to as the gross profit. In effect, the gross receipts tax becomes a value-added tax for those smart enough to play the game, and a business-busting load on those who don't. And the biggest players in the game? The wholesaler.

    A value-added tax might work, but not a gross receipts tax. Just my uneducated opinion, of course.

    -- Posted by TerryM on Mon, Nov 12, 2012, at 1:12 PM
  • I'm thinking that you folks on the hard right have been riding through a desert on a horse named Tea Party. As you wandered in circles through that desert you were constantly exposed to mirages that you believed real. It is over. Now you must rub the sand from your eyes, and find something real to quench your thirst.

    The following song is dedicated to you with the hope that it gives you inspiration on your necessary quest for reality. ;) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2naehMUQpQY&feature=related

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Nov 12, 2012, at 1:23 PM
  • My question to the right wingers:

    If you say Obamacare is gonna kill jobs why not support some type of unviversal health care or single payer health care reform?

    Many employers would save thousands if citizens could pay for their healthcare in the form of taxes. If would had a single payer non-profit insurance system this would cause a decrease in the cost of health care and eliminate the need to pay a middle man(for profit insurance companies).

    This would save employers and employees millions and probably billions of dollars. This could provide a boost to the economy, but we would still have to deal with the amount of public debt. The people who make over 250,000 a year could easily afford to go back to the Clinton era tax brackets.

    A single payer healthcare system would also prevent many people from filing for bankruptcy due to medical bills. We would once again have the world's biggest and fastest growing economy. This is something that every American should be considering and we could make it happen with more public support.

    -- Posted by cheesehead on Mon, Nov 12, 2012, at 4:58 PM
  • news,

    Its unfortunate the right wingers put politics over country when it comes to health care. I just wish polictians and the people would take a closer look at the issue of Universal care and look at the benefits to our economy, pocketbooks, and health care.

    -- Posted by cheesehead on Mon, Nov 12, 2012, at 6:33 PM
  • They have the Peoples Names that signed this Pledge,so why can't they be Prosecuted for un-American Activities? Or i'm sure some of these big time Attorneys in the system could think of some other Charges? If that isn't un-American!What is? But with all the Laws Bush & Company broke, this is small time i guess! They will do nothing unless the People demand it! This is suppose to be a Country of Laws,not just for the People,but for the People who make the Laws! And yes i agree , there is NO reason we can't have the same Health Care as Australia!If Obama don't start flexing some Muscle,he's no better than the rest, and i voted for him! Ive always felt the entire System & the way things get done, has to be Changed

    -- Posted by Jo on Mon, Nov 12, 2012, at 10:16 PM
  • I wonder why businesses haven't jumped all over the opportunity, via medicare for all, to dump the cost of health care on to the tax payers?

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Nov 12, 2012, at 10:58 PM
  • News how is the price increase that you speak of connected to business dumping med care cost? A price increase to whom? Consumers because they will pay more in taxes for the medical care, than they are paying for medical insurance now? Educate me mate, I didn't get it.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Nov 12, 2012, at 11:54 PM
  • -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Nov 12, 2012, at 11:56 PM
  • Anyone seen Smokin Cheetah lately? His posts were always thought provoking.

    -- Posted by gentle ben on Tue, Nov 13, 2012, at 10:02 AM
  • "A bill sponsored by state Sen. Brian Nieves, a Washington Republican, would have amended the Missouri constitution to prohibit state government from "recognizing, enforcing, or acting in furtherance of any federal action that exceeds the powers delegated to the federal government.""

    "According to the bill, the prohibition would have covered a host of topics, from gun restrictions to legalized abortion to the recognition of same-sex unions, among others."


    OK - can someone please tell me what's wrong with less federal control on the state level? And less federal government in general?

    Surely I must be missing something that - in the eyes of some - makes those who would like to see a smaller federal government traitors, or even evil ...

    -- Posted by gentle ben on Tue, Nov 13, 2012, at 10:20 AM
  • One of the duties of the federal government is to protect the Constitutional rights of its citizens. When some jerk, or group of jerks decide a segment of the population can't do what the rest of the citizenry does the federal government protects those folks rights. Then the squawking from said jerks is a non-ending litany of woe about how their rights have been abridged. The jerks believe they have the right to abridge others rights. Go figure. Stupid is as stupid does. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Nov 13, 2012, at 10:50 AM
  • news -

    Nope - not at all - I don't care for big government. In fact - don't like it at all.

    As me voting "consistently" for anyone or anything or any party, I'd say unless you've been breaking into ballot boxes lately (which, of course, is a federal offense) then you have no blasted clue as to how I vote. In fact - though you seem to know everything - you may be extremely surprised if you knew. I'd say you're guessing - and guesses, as you know, are not based on empirical evidence.

    -- Posted by gentle ben on Tue, Nov 13, 2012, at 11:49 AM
  • news - Like I said - you would be surprised (and frankly, so would I) if you had a clue about how I vote. And my first election wasn't the year Reagan was elected. In fact - at a tender young age (barely a teen) I walked the streets of my hometown handing out campaign buttons to try to get everyone to vote for the Democratic candidate. Didn't work and I was devastated.

    Just as I have been suspecting - you DON'T know everything.

    And what about those ballot bozes?

    -- Posted by gentle ben on Tue, Nov 13, 2012, at 12:25 PM
  • Sorry - ballot "boxes"

    -- Posted by gentle ben on Tue, Nov 13, 2012, at 12:26 PM
  • You are still missing the point - that is - I do not ALWAYS vote one way or another. I do, however, vote for issues or candidates.

    -- Posted by gentle ben on Tue, Nov 13, 2012, at 12:50 PM
  • In other words - you could never admit to being wrong about anything so you will not accept the fact that I do not fit your mold.


    It must be lonely up there.

    -- Posted by gentle ben on Tue, Nov 13, 2012, at 1:10 PM
  • Was Kazinski a dixiecrat ??? or a Tea Partier?

    -- Posted by gentle ben on Tue, Nov 13, 2012, at 1:12 PM
  • News, I'm not speaking in favor of a value-added tax or any other gross-based tax. As to how to game the gross-receipts tax - what is a gross receipt? Look at an auctioneer. Will he be taxed on the sale price of everything he sells at an auction? You'll say no because he's not the 'seller,' he's just hired by the seller to find the buyer.

    So we look at a consignment resale shop. The shop owner doesn't own the stuff in it because it's all on consignment from the owners of the various items. Will the shop owner be taxed on the selling price of everything sold? The auctioneer isn't, why should she? She doesn't own any inventory either. If she gets taxed, why shouldn't the auctioneer get taxed?

    If the resale shop owner doesn't get taxed, pretty soon EVERY shop is a consignment retail shop. Groceries are just taking in food on consignment. So is everyone else that isn't 'producing' a product out of separate component parts.

    So we end up with a value-added tax. And yes, I agree that a VAT is regressive, which is why I don't favor it.

    -- Posted by TerryM on Tue, Nov 13, 2012, at 2:27 PM
  • Is there anyone who will answer (what i stated as a question)On the Norquist Pledge! Couldn't a Prosecution be tried! I'll give it too the Rep.,they could come up with something! This Republican Brand has to go ? And News, i can't agree about this Traitor remark you made! When there is several Traitor running loose right now! And the only one that came close too being charged was Carl Rove!This is why i can't love this Country anymore! And i did my time during the Korean Conflict,Something i wouldn't do again, and am not proud of even now! It was as silly a reason too be there as Vietnam! All the Brave men that died are my Hero's that i respect,not the Warmongering Politicians that put us there!

    -- Posted by Jo on Tue, Nov 13, 2012, at 10:13 PM
  • Moderates, and liberals should pause in their gloating, and celebrating the demise of conservatism.

    First of all it may be that the election results do not signal the death of conservatism, but instead the rebirth of true conservatism, which we should all welcome.

    Perhaps now Republican moderates can throw off the bindings applied by the neofascist right wing of their party, and move back to center right which is their traditional place in the established political scheme.

    They have likely learned that it does not further their personal political aspirations to shift far right to win a primary, then lose a general election awash in more moderate voters. It is too great a reach to attempt to scramble back toward the center after winning a primary by staking out far right positions. It leaves them, no matter how adroitly they make the attempt, stained by the appearance that they lack firm values, and will say anything to get elected.

    It is better that they stay in their natural camp, especially in open primary states, where they may attract independent voters, and in some cases even Democratic voters, to offset their loss of far right votes. Those far right votes will be split among several neofascists anyway.

    I hope that is what transpires, for if not the Republican Party is nothing more than a marginalized curiosity, incapable of supplying the necessary balance that allows Congress to do its work in a traditional manner.

    Even worse for those citizens of a liberal persuasion is that the absence of a functional center right Republican Party allows, the Democratic Party to drift center right, themselves filling that void. A strong traditional Republican Party will force the Democratic Party back to its traditional center left perch. Then we can begin to get done, the things that must be done, as we always did get them done.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Nov 14, 2012, at 12:00 AM
  • I can't say you're wrong SD. Actually to some degree what I wrote was an exercise in wishful thinking. Of course we old folks often harken back to the good old days. I am pragmatic enough to know that the good old days weren't always so good, and that time seldom allows a duplication of past circumstance. Excepting of course in the case of war. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Nov 14, 2012, at 10:07 AM
  • It doesn't matter who is in power! If they can think of anything to screw the People and benefit their own self, they will! That's what we don't need! Like i said before, J. Hoover had the Power to keep these Politician in line, to a Point,but even Hoover could use his power for his own benefit,that's why they changed thing in that their favor, too keep their own a-- safe.Its only Common Sense you have to have something to keep any Orginistion in line.And what would that be,is the question? The nazi's watch each other! Prosecutions with real Penalties could be the answer!

    -- Posted by Jo on Wed, Nov 14, 2012, at 12:02 PM
  • Thanks News for the link to the Intelligence Surveillance story,(Fisa Law) Like i said before with the Supreme Court we have, and the Paranoia we see, we'll see how that go's?(The fox watching the Chicken House!) Thanks my friend! i CAN lEARN A LOT FROM YOU!

    -- Posted by Jo on Wed, Nov 14, 2012, at 3:58 PM
  • Why send the Ambassador out in front of the media when she was not in the loop about Benghazi? Because she would play well as a victim of attack from the media. Thus allowing Obama to hide....It looks great when he is defending a lady who had no inside info on Benghazi makes him look like a hero while he is running like a coward...This is a great political tactic but very obvious.

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Wed, Nov 14, 2012, at 9:05 PM
  • You say of your President "running like a coward" regarding the story the Far Right clings to desperately, having lost their security blanket election day. You really believe that don't you?

    You know I think it may be fruitless to have a discussion with you, so I won't say any more.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Nov 15, 2012, at 12:28 AM
  • Evenin' ND :)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Nov 15, 2012, at 12:29 AM
  • Well if she has the same info as the CIA and they knew from the start that this was a terrorist attack , then basically they lied to protect the President during the campaign to protect the image that Al Queda is not a threat if they would of told the truth from the start the election may have been in favor for Romney...So basically they had a circle the wagons mentality of protection our President same as with the CIA Director why was POTUS not informed of this earlier its been going on for 6 months this investigation and the FBI knew there was an afair this could of endangered our country because it could of been used as a blackmail to the CIA Director. Now the General was a great military leader and he made a mistake it should not reflect what he has done for the country but he did the right thing by stepping down.

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Thu, Nov 15, 2012, at 12:50 AM
  • Btw WMDS in Iraq at the time was a shared belief between dems and republicans it was faulty intelligence.

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Thu, Nov 15, 2012, at 12:52 AM
  • Mcain and Graham are not the leaders of our country therefore what they advocate for security doesn't matter what matters is the state departments handling of security and Obama's orders on security of our embassies. He is the Commander in Chief.

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Thu, Nov 15, 2012, at 12:54 AM
  • There has too be a way to keep these Senators & Congressman away from the News Media,if they have a disagreement with the President! All of this is crap too second guess the Commander in Chief! These people should,(especially McCain and Graham!) Retire They are Voted in too many times and they think they are significant in all decision made,even over the head of the President! Their just too old to serve anymore.Term Limit for all! That my Rant for the day!

    -- Posted by Jo on Thu, Nov 15, 2012, at 8:31 AM
  • Go Nanadot, your on a roll! Hi by the way! Its been awhile.

    -- Posted by Jo on Thu, Nov 15, 2012, at 8:35 AM
  • Jason,

    You are stretching for a conspiracy. If you have to be outraged about something, why don't you start with the 85 or so people who will be killed today and everyday by gun violence right here at home. While your at it you can be outraged at the staggering billions of dollars that gun violence costs us every year. You wanna be outraged? start with that.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Thu, Nov 15, 2012, at 11:41 AM
  • If the the President has free reign to do anything he wants then what is the use of having congress.The President has to answer to people and the people are represented by Congress now if this was Bush you all would feel different. Fact is that the Commander Chief forgot about how 9-11 is a holy day to Islamic radicals and we should of protected our people and we as a people have a right to ask why they were not protected. Problem is that people out there think Obama can do no wrong and with this attitude America is going to die a slow painful death.

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Thu, Nov 15, 2012, at 12:21 PM
  • No Jason,

    No one thinks Obama can do no wrong but that doesn't mean there is a grand conspiracy no matter how bad you want there to be one.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Thu, Nov 15, 2012, at 12:34 PM
  • Jason: "Fact is that the Commander Chief forgot about how 9-11 is a holy day to Islamic radicals"; that is absolute rot Jason.

    Holy Days are not proclaimed by fringe radicals, they are proclaimed by the entire clerical body of a religion based on its sacred history. In Muslim religion it is the Koran, in Christian religion it is the Bible.

    What you said is as ridiculous as if I said that Eric Robert Rudolph's birthday is a holy day for many Tea Party members.

    In each case it may cause joy, and celebration, but a holy day? I think not!

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Nov 15, 2012, at 1:38 PM
  • Jason, r, and others, some of whom peek, but don't post should heed the information gathered from exit polls by your very own RNC (Regressive National Committee).

    Your guys found that voters by "53% to 38% blame Bush for the state of the economy instead of Obama". It looks like you guys are the only ones with Bush amnesia. Stay in denial, don't own up, and say how you are different now, please. Keep listening to Rush, Fox, and the rest. We need folks like you to be marginalized so that we can get on with the nation's business. http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/15/15192985-rnc-report-suggests-other...

    Oh, by the way, in the report your boys prepared you may find some other things that you don't want to see. Tell you what, don't bother going to the link. I prefer that you stay in the dark, partly because I feel sorry for you, and know that is the place where you are most comfortable. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Nov 15, 2012, at 6:42 PM
  • Tongue in cheek News, tongue in cheek. Do I really feel sorry for them? Yes, because they can't help themselves. The wrong part of their brain is big, and a nutherin' is too little. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Nov 15, 2012, at 8:29 PM
  • What is funny how people are so blindly loyal to their political party they can't open their eyes when the President is a liar when it concerns Benghazi.

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Thu, Nov 15, 2012, at 10:39 PM
  • Btw if this happen on Bush's watch you all we be on him lie maggots on roadkill.

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Thu, Nov 15, 2012, at 10:40 PM
  • Notice you didn't answer my last question why?

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Thu, Nov 15, 2012, at 11:42 PM
  • And if your libertarian can you define it please "mate"

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Thu, Nov 15, 2012, at 11:44 PM
  • Another Republican Congressman who is a lying hypocrite. Anti-abortion all the way except when it comes to his wife, or mistresses. Good grief.


    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Nov 16, 2012, at 12:49 AM
  • I'm thinkin' r that your back is gonna be real sore if you stay curled up in that post election fetal ball. Come on back ole buddy, I know you've got something outrageous, or preposterous to say that will rile up all of us pinko subversive lefties. :)

    I don't listen myself of course, but I gotta ask you, do all the excuses, and sputtering sound more like static than talk these days on Rush's show?

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Nov 16, 2012, at 12:57 AM
  • Religion poisons politics (actually everything, but for this blog Politics will do). It is the religious right that cost the GOP the election because of social conservatism. There is enough of them to cause their leaders to put their outrageous anti-human rights demands into their platform (because their holy book told them the way). However, the backlash was strong enough to stop them from gaining power and moving us back to the 50's. It wasn't overwhelming, but the result indicates that the push continues for individual freedoms... the freedom for a woman to do what she wants with her body, the freedom for consenting adults to partner with who they choose, the freedom to not have a religion influence our education system, and the freedom to even smoke weed if you want to. Most of us can buy into a degree of fiscal conservatism, but when it comes to social conservatism, please leave the rest of us alone. And since you didn't get your way, now you want to secede from the union or dream up some way to impeach the person who soundly beat who you wanted to be President. If the GOP wants to watch what goes on in other peoples bedrooms, they should be more careful with who they sleep with.

    -- Posted by RationalThinker on Fri, Nov 16, 2012, at 3:22 AM
  • Listen to this your a Democrat...A Libertarian basically believes in really small government they say but out of my life I do not need the government to wipe my but. You advocate liberal ideas mate.

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Fri, Nov 16, 2012, at 8:35 AM
  • Anyone who still holds out hope that our leaders will do the responsible thing and avoid the fiscal cliff in January didn't get much solace from Washington Democratic Senator Patty Murray. She told ABC's "This Week" that if Republicans won't agree to tax hikes on high earners, then maybe we should just let America go over the fiscal cliff. Let tax rates leap for everyone, then come back next year and negotiate new rates. We have to assume she's willing to do it: as a member of the congressional "supercommittee" that failed to come up with a deficit reduction plan, she does have a history of doing nothing to avert a crisis. And here's more good news for American taxpayers: Sen. Murray is likely to become the next chairwoman of the Senate Budget Committee. That would really worry me, if I thought there was any chance at all of the Senate ever writing a budget. This is from the status of Mike Huckabee Facebook Good day mate.

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Fri, Nov 16, 2012, at 8:40 AM
  • They knew about his affair for a few months and they held this over his head .....until after the election. Chicago style politics. A source close to ex-CIA Director David Petraeus tells Fox News that he is expected to tell Congress he believed the Libya attack was terrorism within the first 24 hours -- and that he suspected an Al Qaeda affiliate was behind it, a version that conflicts with his earlier statement and those of the Obama administration. Obama is a Washington insider and knows how to play the game well. Republicans need to learn this tactic.

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Fri, Nov 16, 2012, at 9:07 AM
  • And as far as President Obama defending Ambassador Rice it was kind of silly and sexist, she has no business being an Ambassador if she can not speak up for herself.

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Fri, Nov 16, 2012, at 9:08 AM
  • Republican Senator Tom Coburn, arch conservative of Oklahoma, proposes defense cuts. http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/15/15194879-alleging-republican-bli...

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Nov 16, 2012, at 10:01 AM
  • The Obama admin said it was "terrorism" in plenty of time to influence the election. It didn't. Game, set , match. Let's move on to important things and leave these silly semantics behind. The GOP is full of children that have absolutely no interest in the governance of our country, only temper tantrums and breath holding.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, Nov 16, 2012, at 11:09 AM
  • Yeh ND I feel the same way about Coburn. He is in two different one percenter camps. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Nov 16, 2012, at 4:29 PM
  • Maybe it's time to start hurling back the insult that the ultra right has hurled at every one left of Attila the Hun for nearly fifty years.

    America; love it, or leave it! There are a bunch of those fair weather fascists just itching to do it any way. I think we should urge them on their way. ;)

    What a bunch of poor loser unpatriotic bumpkins!


    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Nov 16, 2012, at 4:37 PM
  • Actually I think that they should all move to the Cayman Islands. That is as close as they will ever get to the big money, and big money folks that they slavishly adore. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Nov 16, 2012, at 4:42 PM
  • Lmao this company's CEO's Grandson contributed to Obama and look what is happening to his company rofl....http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/16/medical-supply-giant-stryker-corp-makes-pre-emptive-strike-against-pending/?test=latestnews I do feel sorry for the employees that will loose their job to a tax increase...

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Fri, Nov 16, 2012, at 6:29 PM
  • ATTENTION ALL RETIREES GETTING SOCIAL SECRUITY: You will be getting a COLA increase....Bad news we will be taking 255 back because we are increasing Medicare Premiums sorry Obama care didn't cover ya.

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Fri, Nov 16, 2012, at 6:41 PM
  • Sorry meant 25% will to cover the increase in Medicare premiums.

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Fri, Nov 16, 2012, at 6:44 PM
  • The thought occurs to me that seeing nought but evil, hearing nought but evil, then speaking nought but evil is the definition of Rush Limbaugh's broadcasts, and his listeners' responses. It also reminds of three very sick little monkeys. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Nov 16, 2012, at 11:56 PM
  • Lmao somebody in the White House took out any mention of Al Queada. Why because of the election think about Obama was saying the face of terror was on its death bed were safe they covered it up because of the election they lied to the people...Poor Ambassador Rice she is such a little girl lets defend her again democrats being sexist...If she can not put her big pants on she does not deserved Secretary of State.

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Sat, Nov 17, 2012, at 9:19 AM
  • Yup SD, nothing but remnants of the right to present pro to counter their con. I guess we can just split hairs among ourselves for diversity's sake. ;)

    Wonder what happened to X-Ray? He could bring it at times. Could be that he is as disgusted with the Right's performance as so many others. I am pretty sure that the libertarian streak in him was not happy about some of the stuff the Right presented.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Nov 17, 2012, at 10:15 AM
  • The country that the USA liberated has called on Arab states to use oil as a weapon against the USA....Ummm thought these dudes was going to be our friends Bush you had to do what you thought was right but you were wrong on Iraq. And Obama let me give you a hint the Arab states they hate us.

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Sat, Nov 17, 2012, at 7:52 PM
  • Newsacrooss you da man. First libertarian I met who is liberal.

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Sat, Nov 17, 2012, at 9:23 PM
  • Bill Maher is a sexist who made fun a disabled child. And has called Sarah Palin a vulgar name now pay attention this is your idol now To me that is not Progressive but regressive.

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Sun, Nov 18, 2012, at 8:55 AM
  • But I believe the vulgar name he called Sarah Palin was most accurate. So now what?

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Sun, Nov 18, 2012, at 10:25 AM
  • When you believe you it is all right to throw insults that sound of bigot of ignorance you show your true core values off on a different subject...... To turn this country around we don't need to make rich people poorer we need to make poor people richer - Senator Mark Rubio (Latino Republican)

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Sun, Nov 18, 2012, at 12:05 PM
  • It's not about making the poor richer or the rich poorer, it's about not letting the rich buy the system so that they may skew the laws in their financial favor. That Jason, is the problem.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Sun, Nov 18, 2012, at 3:27 PM
  • Jason beyond being nothing more than right wing cant Rubio's comment makes no sense. He says, "we don't need to make rich people poorer", so how do you make people who are not poor poorer? To become poorer, you must start from being poor. Folks like Rubio are clueless in every way including grammatically. What you can do is make rich people richer, and that is what Rubio is all about. LOL

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Nov 18, 2012, at 4:14 PM
  • Communism never worked and they took the upper class out of their nation basically your all advocating a weaker version of socialism and that has never worked...

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Sun, Nov 18, 2012, at 8:39 PM
  • I got this from Face book checked the first five and they were right so I am assuming the rest are...Yes I researched this in the Affordable health care act. f you read all 2750 pages of Obamacare, I guess you are aware of the following conditions:

    * Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed!

    * Page 30: A government committee will decide what treatments and benefits you get (and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process)

    * Page 42: The "Health Choices Commissioner" will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice. None

    * Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services.

    * Page 58: Every person will be issued a National ID Healthcard.

    * Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer.

    * Page 65: Taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree and community organizer health plans (example: SEIU, UAW and ACORN)

    * Page 84: All private healthcare plans must participate in the Healthcare Exchange (i.e., total government control of private plans)

    * Page 91: Government mandates linguistic infrastructure for services; translation: illegal aliens

    * Page 95: The Government will pay ACORN and Americorps to sign up individuals for Government-run Health Care plan.

    * Page 102: Those eligible for Medicaid will be automatically enrolled: you have no choice in the matter.

    * Page 124: No company can sue the government for price-fixing. No "judicial review" is permitted against the government monopoly. Put simply, private insurers will be crushed.

    * Page 127: The AMA sold doctors out: the government will set wages.

    * Page 145: An employer MUST auto-enroll employees into the government-run public plan. No alternatives.

    * Page 126: Employers MUST pay healthcare bills for part-time employees AND their families.

    * Page 149: Any employer with a payroll of $400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays an 8% tax on payroll

    * Page 150: Any employer with a payroll of $250K-400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays a 2 to 6% tax on payroll

    * Page 167: Any individual who doesnt' have acceptable healthcare (according to the government) will be taxed 2.5% of income.

    * Page 170: Any NON-RESIDENT alien is exempt from individual taxes (Americans will pay for them).

    * Page 195: Officers and employees of Government Healthcare Bureaucracy will have access to ALL American financial and personal records.

    * Page 203: "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax." Yes, it really says that.

    * Page 239: Bill will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors and the poor most affected."


    There's a pretty starling thing in the Obamacare Bill that 95% of Americans won't like.

    The Obama Health care bill under Class II (Paragraph 1, Section B) specifically includes ''(ii) a class II device that is implantable." Then on page 1004 it describes what the term "data" means in paragraph 1, section B:

    14 ''(B) In this paragraph, the term 'data' refers to in

    15 formation respecting a device described in paragraph (1),

    16 including claims data, patient survey data, standardized

    17 analytic files that allow for the pooling and analysis of

    18 data from disparate data environments, electronic health

    19 records, and any other data deemed appropriate by the

    20 Secretary"

    What exactly is a class II device that is implantable?

    Lets see...

    Approved by the FDA, a class II implantable device is an "implantable radiofrequency transponder system for patient identification and health information." The purpose of a class II device is to collect data in medical patients such as "claims data, patient survey data, standardized analytic files that allow for the pooling and analysis of data from disparate data environments, electronic health records, and any other data deemed appropriate by the Secretary."

    This sort of device would be implanted in the majority of people who opt to become covered by the public health care option. With the reform of the private insurance companies, who charge outrageous rates, many people will switch their coverage to a more affordable insurance plan. This means the number of people who choose the public option will increase. This also means the number of people chipped will be plentiful as well. The adults who choose to have a chip implanted are the lucky (yes, lucky) ones in this case.


    Children who are "born in the United States who at the time of birth are not otherwise covered under acceptable coverage" will be qualified and placed into the CHIP or Children's Health Insurance Program (what a convenient name). Children conceived by parents who are already covered under the public option will more than likely be implanted with a chip by the consent of the parent. Eventually everyone will be implanted with a chip. And with the price and coverage of the public option being so competitive with the private companies, the private company may not survive.

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Sun, Nov 18, 2012, at 9:24 PM
  • "Communism never worked and they took the upper class out of their nation basically your all advocating a weaker version of socialism and that has never worked..."-Jason

    No Jason, you have again missed the point by your usual mile. ;)

    What we are advocating is the end to this Nouveau Gilded Age. It will end, make no mistake about that. If for no other reason it will end because these more recent Robber Barons by their unbridled greed will suck the economic life out of all of us. Then there will be nothing left to feed the greed monster. All hell will break loose.

    What we are promoting is the concept that by reining them in we will avert a collapse of our society.

    Practical examples of important things we wish to do is restore Glass-Steagle, and reverse Citizens United. In other words return things to the way they were in America's Golden Age. Now that's not so scary is it? It is also a rather modest, and moderate goal. Why do you oppose that? Don't you want things to be as they were when Joe, and Joan, if they worked hard could count on getting a real raise every year?

    I have a challenge for you. Pick the time since 1940 when in your opinion, the most Americans believed they lived the good life. Then find what governmental economic regulations were in place at that time; what were the regulations on banking, and Wall Street, determine what were the federal income tax rates, what tariffs were in place, you get the picture.

    Why would you choose to oppose the way things were done economically at the time you yourself choose was America at its best? It seems to me that if you are a true conservative, you would want to conserve the doing of things as they were when America was grand.

    That is a lot to ponder, and it takes time for research, so I won't be looking for an answer in the next day, or two. So take some time, check it out, and get back to me. I think it is an exercise that you can profit from, and who knows, maybe I will too when I hear your results. :)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Nov 18, 2012, at 10:01 PM
  • Jason that is a lengthy right wing diatribe, and not you own work. I refuse to read it because that sort of thing is not the purpose this forum.


    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Nov 18, 2012, at 10:08 PM
  • More evidence that folks in Red states don't make rational decisions. http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/20/15224677-red-state-blue-state-di...

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Nov 20, 2012, at 10:48 AM
  • Yup News on every front they are just a wreck waiting to happen.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Nov 20, 2012, at 2:31 PM
  • The folowing link is to a very interesting dialogue concerning United States imperialism, and claims of exceptionalism. http://www.salon.com/2012/11/17/oliver_stone_america_is_an_%e2%80%9coutlaw_natio...

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Nov 21, 2012, at 12:04 AM
  • Is Fox News finally failing? Has their B. S. bubble burst? Maddow beats Hannity in their head to head contest by 17% since the election. Fox slipping in other areas. http://www.alternet.org/rachel-maddow-beating-hannity-are-people-finally-catchin...

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Nov 21, 2012, at 12:24 AM
  • Could be News that he is such a scoundrel that he had to go to an alias at an early age. Kinda like that Milton, or Mitt, or Willard, or whatever his real name is. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Nov 21, 2012, at 10:10 PM
  • For those of you who that the Arab spring was a great thing. Looks like Egypt replaced a secular dictator with an Islamic Dictator...Yep I see where this is going...

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Fri, Nov 23, 2012, at 12:57 PM
  • Pat Robertson is a nut job however he has freedoms that he should exercise..Also fox news on the hunger joke.. No worse than Chris Mathews looking for racism around every issue.

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Fri, Nov 23, 2012, at 12:59 PM
  • "Ten Numbers The Rich Would Like To See Fudged"

    It is enough to make your blood boil!


    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Nov 24, 2012, at 12:19 AM
  • This is an interesting story as they claim Karl Rove and his buddies tried to steal votes in Ohio. I in no way know whether this group is credible or not, but if they have credible evidence I would hope there is an investigation.

    Anonymous claims to have blocked Rove's attempt to steal Ohio by setting up some firewall in computers that record votes. This could explain Roves early dispute of the vote counting in Ohio.

    Does anyone have any evidence of the credibilty of this group whether good or bad?


    -- Posted by cheesehead on Sat, Nov 24, 2012, at 6:20 PM
  • I know nothing of the site Cheesehead, but I also know that the Karl Roves of this world will stop at nothing to control everything.

    I know little about such technology beyond the fact that cyber war is a fact of life.

    Thanks for sharing.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Nov 24, 2012, at 8:14 PM
  • It is a conservative family value for the parents of a twelve year old girl who is raped, and impregnated by her uncle who has Huntington's disease to make her have the baby.

    It is a conservative family value to cheer when American bombers blow up women, and children in foreign cities whose nation is incapable of attacking America. Hurrah for Shock and Awe!

    It is a conservative family value to support snatching children from foreign lands, then hold them incommunicado to adulthood at Gitmo.

    Three strikes, and they are out!

    Out of compassion, out of reason, and out of their minds. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Nov 26, 2012, at 5:04 PM
  • My heart is heavy as I reflect on The Forgotten War. The murderous insanity continues tonight in Afghanistan as we spend all our time figuring out how best to make things cushy once again.

    I think that a war movie should be made with the only sound track the sounds of war. It should be unexpurgated; flying arms, and heads of blown to bits children, The screams of soldiers whose legs we have just witnessed being blown off, the deafening sounds of blasts, odorama included, featuring the smell of burning flesh, and the stench of death. And death, everywhere death.

    I think that every adult in this country should have to watch it. When contemplating war, members of Congress should have to watch it once a month, and the President and his cabinet, once a week. Perhaps if we really knew the horrors of war, and what collateral damage really is, we would not be so dam*ed John Wayneish ready to ride off reins in our teeth, six guns blazing, over the cliff to hell.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Nov 27, 2012, at 12:28 AM
  • Evenin' ND, News. :)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Nov 27, 2012, at 12:42 AM
  • I saw that NA; typical Fox. LOL

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Nov 27, 2012, at 9:19 AM
  • I live that story every day through my step son ND. After years of nothing being done about his invisible wounds they have now put him on three meds, are counseling, and evaluating his degree of disability. His decision making does seem better, and he is less erratic. It is what it is.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Nov 27, 2012, at 9:36 AM
  • Could someone please explain that after winning the election why are liberals still so angry? Is this perpetual campaign mode?

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Tue, Nov 27, 2012, at 12:03 PM
  • Have you missed the comments on the wars r? They are beyond partisan politics,and plumb the depths of human morality. What say you?

    Welcome back. :)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Nov 27, 2012, at 1:11 PM
  • Oh yes, and we have cause for anger at our eternal, infernal war machine.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Nov 27, 2012, at 1:13 PM
  • On a happier note r, did you see that consumer confidence has reached has reached a four, and a half year high? Wonder why that is? Oh well it is not something to be angry about, or is it? ;)


    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Nov 27, 2012, at 1:35 PM
  • There is nothing to stop psc from bringing the troops home today. Nothing! We know he doesn't need congress so is that Bush's fault too!

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Tue, Nov 27, 2012, at 1:42 PM
  • I am hoping r that you are with me on bringing the troops home today. I despise that Obama has made no move in that direction. It sure as hell cheapens his Nobel Peace Prize. Further, I thought the award was premature at the time, and it is further cheapened by his procrastination regarding peace.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Nov 27, 2012, at 1:49 PM
  • By the way what does psc mean? Have I missed some new right wing insult? ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Nov 27, 2012, at 1:51 PM
  • Thanks News. You mean people like Teddy Roosevelt?

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Nov 27, 2012, at 2:17 PM
  • Really good try news but no sane intelligent being would believe that but they did vote for him.

    psc = president santa claus

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Tue, Nov 27, 2012, at 2:25 PM
  • A lot of this mess started with teddy and progressively gets worse as the worship of liberalism acting as santa claus gets worse.

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Tue, Nov 27, 2012, at 2:48 PM
  • Just curious r, would you mind sharing what your Dad did for a living, and what his Dad did for a living?

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Nov 27, 2012, at 2:58 PM
  • Worked!!

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Tue, Nov 27, 2012, at 3:13 PM
  • Thanks News for understanding what I was getting at with my question. Of course it all depends on one's mind set. I bet r got it too, but he will not admit to the underpinnings of his success. If he admitted that his entire political philosophy would fall like the house of cards that it duplicates.

    He is a self made man after all owing nothing to anyone, or anything that went before him. The progressive era in the first two thirds of the last century never happened. Thus his preposterous statement that Theodore Roosevelt began the downfall of America. Which opinion, by the way, is not shared by lucid intelligentsia, conservative, nor liberal. They only argue Roosevelt's bent for imperialism.

    There are none so blind as those who refuse to see. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Nov 27, 2012, at 4:43 PM
  • My forebearers were American dirt farmers for two hundred years, and six generations, The three generations before mine in Saline County. Not a one of the four siblings in my generation are farmers, nor are any of their progeny. I recognize my heritage with gratitude.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Nov 27, 2012, at 4:56 PM
  • I don't know if they idolize Scrooge, or not News, but he could count on the same 47% of the vote that Romney got if he ran as their candidate for president.

    I must say that I have more respect for the 47% he disparaged, than the 47% that voted for him.

    As time goes on folks will forget whether he is Mitt, Willard, or Milton, and may even confuse him with George Romney, but he will be forever known as "Old Forty Seven Percent".

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Nov 27, 2012, at 7:44 PM
  • We have become a culture of hand outs instead of hard work. Some how we want all the benefits of hard work without doing it. Psc won the election but what is his plan for avoiding the fiscal cliff? The conservatives ought to have him explain to the people what his plan is. All we hear is tax increases on the rich. So if the liberals get what they want are we going to be debt free and have a balanced budget 5-10 years from now? Are they going to ever tell us ok we have enough money? Is there really anyone stupid enough to believe this. Cut spending is the only answer and we will not hear it from a liberal. The hand outs are making the hard workers the slaves.

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Tue, Nov 27, 2012, at 8:29 PM
  • Wrong as usual r. LOL Drastically cutting spending is absolutely necessary. I have said it before, but you forget so soon. There, you heard it again from a liberal.

    Let's start with cutting the bloated war machine by fifty percent. Then lets stop the subsidies to corporate agriculture, and the oil industry.

    You are on board with that, right? Or are you one of those neocons that advocates recklessly throwing away this taxpayer's dollars. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Nov 27, 2012, at 8:55 PM
  • Oh yeh r, I guess I need to remind you that Bill Clinton was the last President to approach commandeering a balanced budget. DEMOCRAT!

    Big deficits? Ronald Reagan, and George W. Bush, REPUBLICANS!

    Your boys are all flash, and no cash. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Nov 27, 2012, at 9:59 PM
  • Susan Rice does not deserve anything she is a liar to the the american people...And Obama is not a dictator should not get what she wants. Obama is going to be the downfall of the democrat party.

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Thu, Nov 29, 2012, at 8:39 PM
  • My disdain for people who have taken such a tragedy and try to make political points is at a all time high..The weapon didn't kill the lady it was murderer. Someone once said, Once you disarm the public all you have left is victims. My point is Nazi Germany had gun control and the holocaust happen there. USSR had gun control and look what Stalin did to his people, not to mention China and its lovely track record sure I could name other countries or former countries. Again the leftist socialist fools lead the country and what will have in the end is a foolish country.

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Sat, Dec 1, 2012, at 7:23 PM
  • The federal government has now borrowed more money during Barack Obama's time as president than it did in the period lasting from the time President George Washington took the oath office until July 2, 2001, more than five months into the first term of President George W. Bush. I am just adding the debt from the time he started being president not the previous debt.

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Sun, Dec 2, 2012, at 11:12 AM
  • Lets just start from the beginning of Obama's second term by fool proofing the Voting System.then attacking the Filibuster to a 51% rule! Then take on the big Problems? The way it is now,with the Majority in the Republicans hands we're back were we started,i see NO change,other than time being lost!! Does this make any sense to anyone??????

    -- Posted by Jo on Sun, Dec 2, 2012, at 5:05 PM
  • If you can't beat them join them. ;)

    Adult acne has increased during Republican presidencies.

    More cats, and dogs are abandoned during Republican Administrations, than during Democratic Administrations.

    Some state that figure is in error because it doesn't factor in that more dogs are eaten during the hard times caused by the Republicans.

    Find proof that those statements are not true Jason, and rr3! I stand by them until you do. I will not acknowlege that you disproved them even if you do.


    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Dec 2, 2012, at 6:35 PM
  • News: I respect what your saying ,but i can't see the Tough,your seeing! Civillized maybe! Why they don't try and change the way, of getting their way with Tatic's of having the filibuster stopping Vote's on very serious issues! I feel you have an answer,but with a lot of compromise! "NO" we've compromised enough! He's wasting time. Four years isn't but a blink of the eye,when there is so much too do!

    -- Posted by Jo on Sun, Dec 2, 2012, at 9:29 PM
  • I like bare arms too, but only on some people.

    -- Posted by Interested Too on Mon, Dec 3, 2012, at 11:08 AM
  • Thanks News!How this nonsense becomes Law, is my grip. This could be the start of getting rid of more nonsense, going on in our Government! But as it stands someone has to raise more hell! Thanks for Educating me my friend!

    -- Posted by Jo on Mon, Dec 3, 2012, at 12:55 PM
  • Two and a half minutes with Robert Reich. "Hold Your Ground". http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=gMuA8I2M5l0

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Dec 3, 2012, at 11:05 PM
  • I have said many times that Obama brought the wrong Robert into his governing clique. I think of Robert Reich as the Little Giant of American politics. :)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Dec 4, 2012, at 10:00 AM
  • Turns out that Jovan Belcher and his girlfriend were being treated by a psychologist, courtesy of the Chiefs.

    It will be interestng to see if they were on any drug regimen as News suggested. It will also be interesting to see if there was brain trauma involved after his autopsy is completed. He had been under treatment for repeated head trauma, and his girlfriend had mentioned some early dementia problems.

    Time will tell.

    This post is a result of stories on KansasCity.com and ESPN...and are not my own evaluation.

    -- Posted by Interested Too on Tue, Dec 4, 2012, at 10:31 AM
  • Not in my lifetime, but thankfully in that of many of you, folks will look back on the ludicrous resistance to medical marijuana with derision and resentment. Some day it will become known as the most remarkable medicine in the world.

    Here is one small example: http://www.aol.com/video/did-cannabis-cure-babys-inoperable-brain-tumor/51755597...

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Dec 4, 2012, at 11:17 AM
  • Republicans, and the radical right (interchangeable terms these days) are the epitome of hypocrisy. They are throwing a tantrum about recess appointments by President Obama. That includes the ones who post here.

    At the moment law suits promoting its prohibition are winding their way through the courts. The Republican Party has filed a friend of the court brief supporting the plaintiffs.

    President Obama made thirty two recess appointments during his first term in office. George W. Bush made ninety nine such appointments when he was president. There was never a peep from the irrational right (also interchangeable with "Republican" these days) who were all for it then. LOL (followed by my sneer of derision). ;) http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/04/15672809-court-showdown-over-reces...

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Dec 4, 2012, at 1:37 PM
  • News,

    I never claimed you made a diagnosis, I just said it might be interesting to see if they were on the drug regimen you suggested.

    Wasn't knocking your post in any way.

    I would certainly hope that they had a second opinion, especially if repeated head trauma was a factor.

    -- Posted by Interested Too on Tue, Dec 4, 2012, at 2:07 PM
  • Not sure how all of this ended up in politics, but it certainly is topical.

    -- Posted by Interested Too on Tue, Dec 4, 2012, at 2:08 PM
  • Dear Dictator Obaama take your higher taxes proposal and stick it where the sun don't shine.

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Tue, Dec 4, 2012, at 10:42 PM
  • The thought occurs to me that there is nothing so dangerous, nothing so contagious as closed minds. They cause closed health care clinics, closed roads, closed schools, closed businesses, and a closed Congress.

    They close access to health care choices, even to freedom itself.

    Any growth that closed minds cause is perfidious, and results in great harm. More prisons are opened, more wars occur, and more people die.

    Sadly there is no cure for a closed mind.

    Perhaps they should be isolated all together, responsible for there own survival, as not half so contagious lepers once were. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Dec 5, 2012, at 11:13 PM
  • Oh God no Nana! they are bound to choose Oklahoma, and it would drive me insane. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Dec 6, 2012, at 1:07 AM
  • Evenin NA & ND. :)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Dec 6, 2012, at 1:09 AM
  • Jim DeMint leaves the Senate.

    He got a cushy job offer, so he left before he was voted out in 2016.

    He basically quit the sinking tea party ship and grabbed what he could.


    -- Posted by Interested Too on Thu, Dec 6, 2012, at 10:02 PM
  • News: you mentioned Treason,and i know you haven't forgot Bush,Cheney, Rumsfeld, Armitage and a few more in that tight little minded group! You know i think i would give 5 years of my short life to see this happen, (Prosecutions) but, The time is running out! Too all my Buddies on this Blog,enjoy the Holidays my Friends.

    -- Posted by Jo on Thu, Dec 6, 2012, at 10:02 PM
  • Republicans in the Senate are stupid. Democrats in the Senate are crazy...Because the Republicans drive them crazy.

    Get this LOL: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/06/debt-ceiling-mitch-mcconnell_n_2251515....

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Dec 7, 2012, at 10:38 AM
  • I thin we ought to raise taxes on the top 2% that would force the democrats to look at entitlement reform and get cut into the defecit,

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Sun, Dec 9, 2012, at 10:31 AM
  • "Lost Civilization" a spot on, and hilarious account of the current Republican Party.


    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Dec 9, 2012, at 11:39 AM
  • By the way SD good stuff today. The link I just posted ties in nicely with what you said. :)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Dec 9, 2012, at 11:49 AM
  • The thought occurs to me as the one percenters steal more, and more from the rest of us, and resentment rises against them, that perhaps there is one niche where they will actually create some new jobs right here in America. Food tasters will be necessary to them, and understandably well paid due to the potentially shortened life span of that career. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Dec 9, 2012, at 12:01 PM
  • Such as that News keeps me in, at the least, faint hope. I am pessimistic because implanting beliefs in ever more sophisticated ways by the rulers leaves the masses clueless excepting a confusing anxiety in their minds. :(

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Dec 9, 2012, at 12:55 PM
  • He is not typical News because he is also a fiscal watch dog. He may be the greatest proponent of deep cuts in the defense department budget who is in the Senate. It is his somewhat redeeming quality.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Dec 9, 2012, at 4:00 PM
  • -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Dec 9, 2012, at 4:05 PM
  • Yeh News, he's a knuckle dragger, and a homophobe to boot. He uttered one time that the girl's bathrooms in a southeastern Oklahoma town had to be constantly monitored because of lesbian attacks on the other girls. It was the epitome of utter nonsense. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Dec 9, 2012, at 8:57 PM
  • To be precise that was school bathrooms.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Dec 9, 2012, at 9:00 PM
  • -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Dec 9, 2012, at 9:07 PM
  • Now if he had instead mentioned Deliverance type shenanigans going on in southeastern Oklahoma he may have maintained a modicum of credibility. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Dec 9, 2012, at 9:12 PM
  • "U. S. Military facing fresh questions over targeting of children in Afghanistan" This is a typical development when immersed in a quagmire.


    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Dec 9, 2012, at 10:08 PM
  • Finally a conviction in a court of standing regarding CIA extraordinary rendition under the war criminal George W. Bush. http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/13/15885180-europe-court-german-was-v...

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Dec 13, 2012, at 10:08 PM
  • Our country is fortunate that Obama's first choice for Secretary of State is out of the picture. Like Obama her nature is to appease, and even worse she is something of a boot licker. She was assailed by the left, and the right on good grounds from both sides.

    Of the two favorites still in the chase I prefer Chuck Hagel, Republican over John Kerry, Democrat. He is a temperate, and courageous man with true common sense. Kerry like Rice is a climber who sways like a weak rooted tree when buffeted by a strong wind.

    Read this regarding Rice: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/12/14/susan-rice-didn-t-deserve-state...

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Dec 16, 2012, at 12:50 AM
  • Poor old Willard M. Romney, amazed, and dazed as were his followers when he was not elected President. However, he has been awarded a consolation prize from Politifact for Pants on Fire Lie of the year 2012.

    That at least leaves us all with something to remember him by, as I doubt many have a recall as to anything that he stood for. ROTFLMAO http://www.nationalmemo.com/so-was-this-the-biggest-political-lie-of-2012/

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Dec 16, 2012, at 1:08 AM
  • News: "

    I might add that Chinese workers who are now middle class and no longer poor -- and who's kids have a real bright future -- would probably like to thank the 1% and their conservative American supporters for all they have done to make China number 1."

    That post was 100 percent "right on" News. We've sacrificed our middle class to make the rich even richer and our political opposites even stronger. The sad irony is that when we eventually have the vast majority in poverty, we will eventually vote more toward socialism, not what the greedy really intended.

    -- Posted by RationalThinker on Sun, Dec 16, 2012, at 7:23 AM
  • And when (if) capitalism ends, it may not be socialism since the only way for the greedy to circumvent the poor masses voting themselves into power would be for the greedy to elimnate (or change) the vote, which we've already seen some effort in that direction this time.

    -- Posted by RationalThinker on Sun, Dec 16, 2012, at 4:00 PM
  • I wanted to add my "good going" to your accurate response to "The Conservative". I knew it was B.S., but I was too tired last night to dig, and respond. I would not have done as good a job as you did anyway. Thanks. :)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Dec 18, 2012, at 12:51 PM
  • HUMBUG! Just kidding. I love Christmas. Hence Merry Christmas to you News, and to you Nana. The culinary efforts you mentioned made me salivate nearly to the point of drooling. :)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Dec 18, 2012, at 6:10 PM
  • But News, you don't understand. I have left that original lump of coal in my stocking for twenty years to save that portly old geriatric the trouble of delivering me a new one each year. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Dec 18, 2012, at 10:28 PM
  • I think Obama could have taken the Lead on Prosecutions of the BUSH & Cheney War Criminals! Like i've said before, they take care of their own,and that's B.S.! So in my opinion the entire U.S.Government is the Law breakers! No wonder we are hated so much. Obama is NO better than any of them. He's already giving them the Negotiations! All he does is give, to the people that wouldn't spit on him if he was on Fire!

    -- Posted by Jo on Fri, Dec 21, 2012, at 8:15 PM
  • I know they have taken $140.00 a Month out of my S.S.since Obama took over! So they can do what they want with S.S., without any warning! If we don't get on with some National Health-care, we the old, are done for! Every thing you work for in the past will;; be gone. Not everyone will be a success in life,i don't care how much Education you have!It will,(in my opinion) get worse.

    -- Posted by Jo on Sat, Dec 22, 2012, at 2:34 AM
  • The deduction was for Part B of S.S. It was confusion at first,on my part.But NO i had to call S.S.before i under stood what was going on!My wife informed me that we did get a notice. They are not taking it out of my wife's check,because she joined United Health,and pays $240.00 a Month only when she has to use it. I went to V.A. for care.So this is why the deduction is taken out of mine,witch doesn't make any sense,only to the stand point of Profit! So being a Veteran, their still going to make some Profit off you! Their contract with you, in the beginning is being chipped away bit by bit!Thanks my friends for the advise & concern!

    -- Posted by Jo on Sat, Dec 22, 2012, at 12:53 PM
  • This is a Medicare matter which indirectly effects Social Security for many.

    Medicare Part A (hospitalization coverage) pays 80% of hospital bills, and a few other things.

    Medicare Part B covers Doctor bills, outpatient medical testing, and other similar things. It has not been free for a long time.

    When I turned 65 I was eligible for Medicare, but not Social Security payments until I was 65 1/2. I received my Part A coverage at 65, and was advised that if I wanted Part B at that time I would have to pay for it each month, send them a check, or have it withdrawn from my bank account. As I was in good health, I elected not to choose the Part B coverage at that time. When I turned 65 1/2 I chose to purchase the Part B coverage, and the premium was deducted from my Social Security benefit check when I then began to receive it.

    Part B Medicare premium was $3.00 per month in 1965 when Medicare started, and has risen steadily since then. The following link has more details on that. http://www.ehow.com/info_7886883_medicare-part-premium-history.html

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Dec 22, 2012, at 6:54 PM
  • Thanks for the link ND. It made me consider furling my sails, and pursuing a different tack, as an experiment even if nothing comes of it. ;)

    Actually I have done that some with little result. It takes at least two to tango, and most folks prefer to spar.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Dec 23, 2012, at 12:35 AM
  • Sorry, my post on S.S. & Medicare was not clear!

    -- Posted by Jo on Sun, Dec 23, 2012, at 4:46 AM
  • Last line: Bad guy hauled to McDonalds. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Dec 23, 2012, at 4:40 PM
  • Missed my point News...you said bad guy turned into hamburger. I meant that hamburgered bad guy was to be taken to McDonalds for delicious recycling, not to kill kids enjoying their Happy Meal. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Dec 23, 2012, at 6:52 PM
  • Thanks for the Part-B Information link, Okla! How you been doing?

    -- Posted by Jo on Sun, Dec 23, 2012, at 8:55 PM
  • Thanks Okla for the part-B Link! And how you been doing, my Friend! Everyone O.K ?

    -- Posted by Jo on Sun, Dec 23, 2012, at 9:11 PM
  • You said it, News! The American Vet.has not been respected since Vietnam! Of course after The Twin Towers they needed them again,and everyone became a Patriot again! This is a confused nation,the USA! I think back during and after the 2nd World War and that was true Patriotism! Its a shame we can't be that honest again,this entire Country.

    -- Posted by Jo on Sun, Dec 23, 2012, at 9:27 PM
  • We are all fine Jo. We are fortunate to have our older son, and his family near. We will spend Christmas Eve with them, and chow down on prime rib.

    Christmas Day we are supposed to get 5-6 inches of snow. We have a big old pup, our only daughter ;) two years old next month and she has never seen snow. We will have some fun with that. Then my wife, and I will just sit around, eat well, drink some wine, listen to good music, and watch the snow fall.

    So as you can see I am one lucky old man. My only regret is that our younger son can't be with us this Christmas.

    I hope all is well with you, and yours, and that you all have a wonderful Christmas my friend.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Dec 23, 2012, at 11:29 PM
  • As America goes back to work Thursday after the Holiday there are some who just say no.

    The Refuse-niks who run the House of Representatives have decided, and we have been so informed by John Boehner, that they will not reconvene on Thursday. They are more, or less admitting that they would not do anything anyway if they were in session. Meanwhile the fiscal cliff looms a few days away.

    What does it take to light a fire under a Refuse-nik these days? No one knows. The Refuse-niks have become so pig headed that we should now refuse to recognize their party symbol is the elephant. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/26/house-legislative-business_n_2365573.ht...

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Dec 26, 2012, at 9:48 PM
  • The fall will be hard on a lot of Americans,but maybe they can get it right the next time,you think?

    -- Posted by Jo on Fri, Dec 28, 2012, at 3:41 PM
  • Overcome by the spirit of charity, and compassion that this season brings to us all, I offer the following high note to our knuckle dragging brethren on the right.

    Despite suffering through defeat, and disaster since early November, and being forced to curl up in a fetal ball wrapping those flailing arms, and calloused knuckles about yourselves here is a bright spot for you. Your dim witted darling Michelle Bachmann has won a Woman of the Year award. At the following link you may read every delicious word. I hope it seems like old times to you. ;) http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/28/michele-bachmann-wnd_n_2376965.html?utm...

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Dec 29, 2012, at 1:35 PM
  • How dare you excoriate those poor souls, figuratively tearing their calloused hides from their bodies! Oh the shame of it all!

    Would you not treat better even the dumb beasts of the fields who lineup neither left nor right, rather on an instinctive course toward what is best for them. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Dec 29, 2012, at 5:06 PM
  • Who can feel sorry for li'l Johnny Boehner?

    He obeyed the Tea Party, so he lost his honor.

    If he had shown just a little bit of guts,

    he would have said no to that bunch of nuts.

    If only he had gathered his few who have a brain,

    and joined the Democrats on the recovery train,

    things would be much better for one and all,

    and Johnny Boehner wouldn't be taking the fall.

    He might now be enjoying comity, and banter,

    safe from the mindless, safe from the ranter,

    either way he loses his job to Eric Cantor.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Dec 29, 2012, at 11:39 PM
  • My wife is reading Dicken's "Dombey and Sons". She just read a quote to me that I had forgotten.

    "Captain Cuttle in the exercise of that surprising talent for deep laid and unfathomable scheming, (with which as is not unusual in men of transparent simplicity)"

    Captain Cuttle should be the new mascot of the right wing of the Republican party. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Dec 30, 2012, at 12:40 AM
  • News we could do worse than Ms. Clinton, and very well may. Four years is a long time to wait. She will be sixty nine then. I am not sure that isn't too old to be starting a term as President.

    Not to say that she will be come wacked out with Alzheimers as Reagan did, but it does raise the odds of health becoming an issue.

    Guess we will see, or at the least some of us will. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Dec 30, 2012, at 1:20 AM
  • But then there is the other side of the coin; President Cheney was able to ram his nefarious programs through despite the fact that he had no heart, or it may have been because he had no heart. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Dec 30, 2012, at 1:32 AM
  • You are probably right on the age thing News...just another advantage that women have over us, it goes along with if they can't stand us they can always wait us out, personally, or presidentially. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Dec 30, 2012, at 6:21 PM
  • When one nut falls, other nuts are sure to cover the ground. Was Adam Lanza a new sort of Manchurian candidate? ;) http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/12/27/newtown-conspiracy-theories-oba...

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Dec 31, 2012, at 12:10 AM
  • Goodbye, and good riddance to the old one hundred and twelfth.

    Throw them in the garbage, or put them on the shelf.

    They sat around so long that they began to stink,

    and they gathered dust as they slept on through the brink.


    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Dec 31, 2012, at 4:06 PM
  • I hope you had a great New Years Eve News Across. I understand that the fireworks over Sydney Harbor (?) were excellent.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Dec 31, 2012, at 7:03 PM
  • Thank you my dear friend. Happy New Year ND to you, and yours.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Dec 31, 2012, at 10:14 PM
  • I meant delusional.

    Have to get the 'l' out of here.

    -- Posted by Interested Too on Wed, Jan 2, 2013, at 9:26 AM
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