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I meant delusional.

Have to get the 'l' out of here.

-- Posted by Interested Too on Wed, Jan 2, 2013, at 9:26 AM

"North Carolina's Democratic governor pardons 'Wilmington 10′ civil rights activists"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/01/01/no...

Yep, that is called LEADERSHIP AND COURAGE!!

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Jan 1, 2013, at 5:59 AM

Republicans listen up!

We the People are tired of you scumbags putting a fiscal gun to our heads over and over and over again.

Kiss your House majority goodbye in 2014!!!

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Jan 1, 2013, at 2:46 AM

Thanks ND,

I thought they sucked this year. The fireworks were good but the music was techno trash picked out by a ditsy beach-bottle blond, Kylie Minogue. Her choice of music comes to no surprise as she herself has very little talent short of her looks.

To say the least, I was disappointed.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Dec 31, 2012, at 11:32 PM

Thank you my dear friend. Happy New Year ND to you, and yours.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Dec 31, 2012, at 10:14 PM

I hope you had a great New Years Eve News Across. I understand that the fireworks over Sydney Harbor (?) were excellent.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Dec 31, 2012, at 7:03 PM

REPUBLICAN PARTY

1854-2012

Rest in Peace

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Dec 31, 2012, at 4:18 PM

Goodbye, and good riddance to the old one hundred and twelfth.

Throw them in the garbage, or put them on the shelf.

They sat around so long that they began to stink,

and they gathered dust as they slept on through the brink.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/31...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Dec 31, 2012, at 4:06 PM

When one nut falls, other nuts are sure to cover the ground. Was Adam Lanza a new sort of Manchurian candidate? ;) http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/20...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Dec 31, 2012, at 12:10 AM

Most of us men = dumb apes.

Its just our lot in life mate.

Thank goodness for the ladies, 'cause left to our own devices...well...you know..."Boom!"

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Dec 30, 2012, at 7:34 PM

Yeah and as ND has proven over and over again, they can out-think us too.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Dec 30, 2012, at 7:30 PM

You are probably right on the age thing News...just another advantage that women have over us, it goes along with if they can't stand us they can always wait us out, personally, or presidentially. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Dec 30, 2012, at 6:21 PM

Oklahoma Reader

The pundits are saying she is unbeatable mate.

All indicators are pretty clear that she will definitely be the Democrat Nominee in 2016.

As to her age, 69 for a woman is not nearly as old as 70 is for a man (Reagan). I don't think that will even be an issue at all mate. So say most the senior women I have known -- including my Grandmother who lived to her 104th year right there in Marshall and kept her mind sharp as a tack to the very end.

2016: The Clintons are back in the White House, no ifs, ands, or buts about it.

With the Republican Party ceasing to be a political party between now and 2016 (its a process) and lacking any organized opposition, it will be a cake-walk for the Clintons.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Dec 30, 2012, at 2:36 PM

But then there is the other side of the coin; President Cheney was able to ram his nefarious programs through despite the fact that he had no heart, or it may have been because he had no heart. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Dec 30, 2012, at 1:32 AM

News we could do worse than Ms. Clinton, and very well may. Four years is a long time to wait. She will be sixty nine then. I am not sure that isn't too old to be starting a term as President.

Not to say that she will be come wacked out with Alzheimers as Reagan did, but it does raise the odds of health becoming an issue.

Guess we will see, or at the least some of us will. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Dec 30, 2012, at 1:20 AM

My wife is reading Dicken's "Dombey and Sons". She just read a quote to me that I had forgotten.

"Captain Cuttle in the exercise of that surprising talent for deep laid and unfathomable scheming, (with which as is not unusual in men of transparent simplicity)"

Captain Cuttle should be the new mascot of the right wing of the Republican party. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Dec 30, 2012, at 12:40 AM

Yeah that is the likely senerio OKR

and hey, here is a special present for the cons -- our next President...

"Will Hillary Clinton run for president in 2016?"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/12/29/wi...

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Dec 30, 2012, at 12:28 AM

Who can feel sorry for li'l Johnny Boehner?

He obeyed the Tea Party, so he lost his honor.

If he had shown just a little bit of guts,

he would have said no to that bunch of nuts.

If only he had gathered his few who have a brain,

and joined the Democrats on the recovery train,

things would be much better for one and all,

and Johnny Boehner wouldn't be taking the fall.

He might now be enjoying comity, and banter,

safe from the mindless, safe from the ranter,

either way he loses his job to Eric Cantor.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Dec 29, 2012, at 11:39 PM

Hey OKR,

What do you think the chances of Lil' Johnny Boehner being re-elected Speaker of the House by the House Republicans in the next session of Congress?

I think he has had it.

He is damned if he does, and damned if he doesn't sign on to a deal with the President.

Such a deal will absolutely include tax increases on the rich.

How many of those House Republicans signed on to the Grover Norquist no-tax increase pledge?

ROTFLMAO!!!!!

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Dec 29, 2012, at 5:20 PM

How dare you excoriate those poor souls, figuratively tearing their calloused hides from their bodies! Oh the shame of it all!

Would you not treat better even the dumb beasts of the fields who lineup neither left nor right, rather on an instinctive course toward what is best for them. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Dec 29, 2012, at 5:06 PM

OKR,

I read it.

Its an interesting glimpse into the conservative reality bubble.

Its amazing the average con can even manage their daily lives.

Those are some very stupid people.

The best thing we can do is let them die off quickly and quietly.

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Dec 29, 2012, at 3:31 PM

Overcome by the spirit of charity, and compassion that this season brings to us all, I offer the following high note to our knuckle dragging brethren on the right.

Despite suffering through defeat, and disaster since early November, and being forced to curl up in a fetal ball wrapping those flailing arms, and calloused knuckles about yourselves here is a bright spot for you. Your dim witted darling Michelle Bachmann has won a Woman of the Year award. At the following link you may read every delicious word. I hope it seems like old times to you. ;) http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/28...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Dec 29, 2012, at 1:35 PM

Well Jo, I doubt they will ever get it right.

As long as the Republicans keep trying to solve an economic depression with cuts to government jobs, aka Neo-classical economic policies -- the same policies that put us in this sinking ship to begin with -- we will continue to see our standard of living decrease dramatically.

That's the long and short of it mate.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Dec 28, 2012, at 4:37 PM

The fall will be hard on a lot of Americans,but maybe they can get it right the next time,you think?

-- Posted by Jo on Fri, Dec 28, 2012, at 3:41 PM

ND and OKR,

If the Republicans in the House fail to meet their responsibilities, it will be the end of the Republican Party.

The Republicans are quickly becoming irrelevant, and as I had predicted before the last election, their Party will soon be splitting and disintegrating to nonexistence before the 2014 elections arrive.

What you are witnessing is the end of the Republican Party.

Republican Party

1854-2013

RIP

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Dec 27, 2012, at 1:03 AM

As America goes back to work Thursday after the Holiday there are some who just say no.

The Refuse-niks who run the House of Representatives have decided, and we have been so informed by John Boehner, that they will not reconvene on Thursday. They are more, or less admitting that they would not do anything anyway if they were in session. Meanwhile the fiscal cliff looms a few days away.

What does it take to light a fire under a Refuse-nik these days? No one knows. The Refuse-niks have become so pig headed that we should now refuse to recognize their party symbol is the elephant. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/26...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Dec 26, 2012, at 9:48 PM

Regarding the "fiscal cliff..."

Well it looks like our military will be getting a lot smaller in a week or so -- half as big as it is now.

And just at a time when social unrest will be reaching a whole new all-time high. You know, with all those cuts to food stamps and unemployment benefits and all. Hungry, desperate masses have a way of letting us know when they are unhappy -- and it won't be pretty.

I guess last year when the Republican Party held the fiscal gun to the head of the American People they thought this deal was a great idea. They forgot it means we won't be able to invade and murder brown skinned People in 3rd World countries as much as the right-wing wackos would like to. I bet that will break a few hearts (con hearts) and save a lot of innocent human lives from American death squads. Death squads are so expensive!!!

As for me, I welcome the change.

Sure our economy will be crashing soon. That is to be expected with these kinds of cuts.

But more peace and less war are definitely worth it.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Dec 26, 2012, at 12:46 PM

"GOP strategist: 'I don't think the NRA is listening' to Americans"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/12/26/go...

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Dec 26, 2012, at 12:34 PM

Ok, well here is what I did for x-mas.

cooked, very expensive -- guaranteed, yeah it actually had a money back guarantee (the wife got it at her butchers) -- ham -- wood-fired Chimnea grill/outdoor fireplace -- the wood is aged 1 year and from trees on my property.

http://www.bunnings.com.au/products_prod...

Oh yeah, it was tasty.

Drank more eggnog than I probably should have.

Got a few presents (no lump of coal in stocking).

Argued with wife's Aunt over Aussie racism.

Yep it was a good X-mas.

How did you folks do?

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Dec 25, 2012, at 1:32 AM

"Neil deGrasse Tyson explains the science behind Santa's visits"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/12/24/ne...

...told ya!

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Dec 24, 2012, at 3:15 PM

We are all fine Jo. We are fortunate to have our older son, and his family near. We will spend Christmas Eve with them, and chow down on prime rib.

Christmas Day we are supposed to get 5-6 inches of snow. We have a big old pup, our only daughter ;) two years old next month and she has never seen snow. We will have some fun with that. Then my wife, and I will just sit around, eat well, drink some wine, listen to good music, and watch the snow fall.

So as you can see I am one lucky old man. My only regret is that our younger son can't be with us this Christmas.

I hope all is well with you, and yours, and that you all have a wonderful Christmas my friend.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Dec 23, 2012, at 11:29 PM

You said it, News! The American Vet.has not been respected since Vietnam! Of course after The Twin Towers they needed them again,and everyone became a Patriot again! This is a confused nation,the USA! I think back during and after the 2nd World War and that was true Patriotism! Its a shame we can't be that honest again,this entire Country.

-- Posted by Jo on Sun, Dec 23, 2012, at 9:27 PM

Thanks Okla for the part-B Link! And how you been doing, my Friend! Everyone O.K ?

-- Posted by Jo on Sun, Dec 23, 2012, at 9:11 PM

"U.S. Sen. Crapo arrested and charged with driving under influence"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/12/23/u-...

I wonder, how do conservatives explain this?

I mean he IS a conservative and he DID commit a very serious offense and put family lives on the road at risk.

Yeah we see the family values conservatives' hold dear....

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Dec 23, 2012, at 8:59 PM

Thanks for the Part-B Information link, Okla! How you been doing?

-- Posted by Jo on Sun, Dec 23, 2012, at 8:55 PM

Missed my point News...you said bad guy turned into hamburger. I meant that hamburgered bad guy was to be taken to McDonalds for delicious recycling, not to kill kids enjoying their Happy Meal. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Dec 23, 2012, at 6:52 PM

McDonald's is responsible for their own security.

All we can do is make the schools safe.

Sure, they might look like prisons, but what are ascetics compared to the lives of little angels?

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Dec 23, 2012, at 5:08 PM

Last line: Bad guy hauled to McDonalds. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Dec 23, 2012, at 4:40 PM

Bad Guy (speaking to razor-wire): Get out of my way razor-wire or I will shoot!!

Razor-wire: .......

Bad Guy (pulling assault rifle trigger repeatedly): Ratatatatatatatata....

Razor-wire: .......

Bad Guy (in a screaming rage): I am coming through!!!

Bad Guy charges Razor-wire.

Bad Guy turned into hamburger by Razor-wire.

Razor-wire: No, your not.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Dec 23, 2012, at 4:09 PM

ND,

That's debatable.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Dec 23, 2012, at 12:32 PM

Jo,

You were very clear mate.

In my previous comment, I was referring to the link posted in ND's comment.

It was an interesting article about the failure of Americans to communicate effectively with one another and some suggestions on how we might rectify that problem.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Dec 23, 2012, at 10:59 AM

Sorry, my post on S.S. & Medicare was not clear!

-- Posted by Jo on Sun, Dec 23, 2012, at 4:46 AM

I read it.

I don't get it.

Look, 2 debaters go into the debate-dome, but only 1 comes out.

Its pretty simple really.

May the best argument win!!

The problem comes in when you try to debate important issues with folks who believe the World is 6000 years old, Paul Revere warned the British that the American Colonialists had guns, and that the Founding Fathers worked tirelessly against slavery until slavery was no more.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Dec 23, 2012, at 2:26 AM

Thanks for the link ND. It made me consider furling my sails, and pursuing a different tack, as an experiment even if nothing comes of it. ;)

Actually I have done that some with little result. It takes at least two to tango, and most folks prefer to spar.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Dec 23, 2012, at 12:35 AM

Wow, here in OZ, and the rest of the Civilized World, we just go in and take care of the medical stuff. We don't have part B's, medical bills, or premiums or any of that nonsense.

Lol, I can't imagine having to pay a bill for medical service, much less a premium.

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Dec 22, 2012, at 9:57 PM

This is a Medicare matter which indirectly effects Social Security for many.

Medicare Part A (hospitalization coverage) pays 80% of hospital bills, and a few other things.

Medicare Part B covers Doctor bills, outpatient medical testing, and other similar things. It has not been free for a long time.

When I turned 65 I was eligible for Medicare, but not Social Security payments until I was 65 1/2. I received my Part A coverage at 65, and was advised that if I wanted Part B at that time I would have to pay for it each month, send them a check, or have it withdrawn from my bank account. As I was in good health, I elected not to choose the Part B coverage at that time. When I turned 65 1/2 I chose to purchase the Part B coverage, and the premium was deducted from my Social Security benefit check when I then began to receive it.

Part B Medicare premium was $3.00 per month in 1965 when Medicare started, and has risen steadily since then. The following link has more details on that. http://www.ehow.com/info_7886883_medicar...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Dec 22, 2012, at 6:54 PM

Jo,

I am shocked that the Government is treating our vets that way.

For years now vets have endured ever increasing benefit cuts and now this.

I guess once they don't need the soldier on the field of battle anymore, they just quit caring about him or her.

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Dec 22, 2012, at 4:08 PM

The deduction was for Part B of S.S. It was confusion at first,on my part.But NO i had to call S.S.before i under stood what was going on!My wife informed me that we did get a notice. They are not taking it out of my wife's check,because she joined United Health,and pays $240.00 a Month only when she has to use it. I went to V.A. for care.So this is why the deduction is taken out of mine,witch doesn't make any sense,only to the stand point of Profit! So being a Veteran, their still going to make some Profit off you! Their contract with you, in the beginning is being chipped away bit by bit!Thanks my friends for the advise & concern!

-- Posted by Jo on Sat, Dec 22, 2012, at 12:53 PM

Jo I know of no recent legislation that resulted in decreased Social Security Payments.

This is the first I have heard of it.

Did Social Security notify you at the time of the decreased payment? Did they say why they were decreasing it?

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Dec 22, 2012, at 3:02 AM

I know they have taken $140.00 a Month out of my S.S.since Obama took over! So they can do what they want with S.S., without any warning! If we don't get on with some National Health-care, we the old, are done for! Every thing you work for in the past will;; be gone. Not everyone will be a success in life,i don't care how much Education you have!It will,(in my opinion) get worse.

-- Posted by Jo on Sat, Dec 22, 2012, at 2:34 AM

Jo

The American People will never allow either side to tamper with Social Security payments.

The last President that tried that found out real quick what We the People think of that.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Dec 21, 2012, at 9:33 PM

I think Obama could have taken the Lead on Prosecutions of the BUSH & Cheney War Criminals! Like i've said before, they take care of their own,and that's B.S.! So in my opinion the entire U.S.Government is the Law breakers! No wonder we are hated so much. Obama is NO better than any of them. He's already giving them the Negotiations! All he does is give, to the people that wouldn't spit on him if he was on Fire!

-- Posted by Jo on Fri, Dec 21, 2012, at 8:15 PM

"Mosque arsonist tells court: 'I only know what I hear on Fox News"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/12/20/mo...

http://www.northwestohio.com/news/story....

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Dec 20, 2012, at 2:17 PM

Ohhhh, OKR, my friend, you WAY underestimate Santa.

You may want to check this out and then reconsider your position.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75oEsJf52...

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Dec 19, 2012, at 3:53 AM

But News, you don't understand. I have left that original lump of coal in my stocking for twenty years to save that portly old geriatric the trouble of delivering me a new one each year. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Dec 18, 2012, at 10:28 PM

Yes that is great OKR,

But have you smoothed everything out with Santa yet, or will be another lump-of-coal Xmas this year?

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Dec 18, 2012, at 10:19 PM

HUMBUG! Just kidding. I love Christmas. Hence Merry Christmas to you News, and to you Nana. The culinary efforts you mentioned made me salivate nearly to the point of drooling. :)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Dec 18, 2012, at 6:10 PM

That's the spirit ND,

Christmas is a special time for Americans no matter how they view the holiday or how they celebrate it.

I refuse to allow that 20 year old nut case to ruin my Christmas.

Last Christmas I am afraid I was a bit out of sorts. It has been suggested that while I may have lacked Scrooge's miserliness, I seemed to share some of his views of Christmas last year.

This year, I am dedicated to being a happy holiday camper.

Let's get this Christmas rockin'!!!

Here's some Xmas music to get it goin'...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcQJj7d18...

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Dec 18, 2012, at 4:46 PM

So, I figured some better news might be of interest to other bloggers, I offer this little tid-bit of technology that may quietly be changing our lives significantly in the future.

Apparently the US Navy has proven it possible to manufacture jet fuel from sea water.

http://www.nrl.navy.mil/media/news-relea...

I find that pretty impressive. What I don't find quite as impressive is that the Republicans in Congress, the fossil fuel financed bastions of obstructionism, have apparently attempted to block these efforts.

Please read the last few paragraphs in the following article on the same subject.

http://cleantechnica.com/2012/09/26/u-s-...

BTW, this process does most likely rely on large quantities of electricity, but at least that can be produced via nuclear powered generation.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Tue, Dec 18, 2012, at 3:41 PM

I wanted to add my "good going" to your accurate response to "The Conservative". I knew it was B.S., but I was too tired last night to dig, and respond. I would not have done as good a job as you did anyway. Thanks. :)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Dec 18, 2012, at 12:51 PM

"Florida GOP leaders admit crafting law to suppress college vote"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/12/18/fl...

And people still vote for these jerks.

No wonder our Nation is falling apart!

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Dec 18, 2012, at 11:28 AM

ND,

It is unfortunate that despite the fact that this is the 21st Century, many men still fear a strong, intelligent woman.

You proved your position correct by utilizing facts from rock-solid, fully qualified sources and reason.

He made his argument based on nonsense that he "heard" from his pals that all "heard" the same nonsense he "heard" from them (kinda like a big "heard circle") -- and then declared what he "heard" to be facts.

I also noticed that when his "facts" did not jive at all with cited, qualified, factual/statistical records which you provided, some of his pals went into personal attack mode. That is when I knew they were all out of argument and had in fact failed to support the conservative thesis -- resulting in their decisive defeat.

Double good on ya mate!!!

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Dec 18, 2012, at 10:59 AM

ND,

LOL...I believe you just knocked a conservative clean out.

BTW, I read the links.

You definitely have the facts down pat.

Good on ya mate!!!

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Dec 18, 2012, at 3:55 AM

Interestingly enough RT,

Capitalism was certainly not the first form of Economics practiced by folks.

Prior to capitalism. folks lived with feudalism.

It took a long time but eventually folks started looking for something a bit fairer, a middle class developed, and capitalism was born. Its not the first economic system we will use, and its not the last.

It will change because it will have to change.

To what? who knows? (probably democratic socialism such as that in Norway and Sweden, which right now appears to work best).

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Dec 16, 2012, at 10:21 PM

And when (if) capitalism ends, it may not be socialism since the only way for the greedy to circumvent the poor masses voting themselves into power would be for the greedy to elimnate (or change) the vote, which we've already seen some effort in that direction this time.

-- Posted by RationalThinker on Sun, Dec 16, 2012, at 4:00 PM

RT,

Good point,

Capitalism in all its forms -- Keynesian and Neoclassical (and Classical, aka Free Market, aka the same type of economic policies we used in the 1700's) has a definite end point. We do not know the exact date capitalism will end, but we (Economists) can easily prove that it does have an end point.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Dec 16, 2012, at 1:39 PM

News: "

I might add that Chinese workers who are now middle class and no longer poor -- and who's kids have a real bright future -- would probably like to thank the 1% and their conservative American supporters for all they have done to make China number 1."

That post was 100 percent "right on" News. We've sacrificed our middle class to make the rich even richer and our political opposites even stronger. The sad irony is that when we eventually have the vast majority in poverty, we will eventually vote more toward socialism, not what the greedy really intended.

-- Posted by RationalThinker on Sun, Dec 16, 2012, at 7:23 AM

Poor old Willard M. Romney, amazed, and dazed as were his followers when he was not elected President. However, he has been awarded a consolation prize from Politifact for Pants on Fire Lie of the year 2012.

That at least leaves us all with something to remember him by, as I doubt many have a recall as to anything that he stood for. ROTFLMAO http://www.nationalmemo.com/so-was-this-...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Dec 16, 2012, at 1:08 AM

Our country is fortunate that Obama's first choice for Secretary of State is out of the picture. Like Obama her nature is to appease, and even worse she is something of a boot licker. She was assailed by the left, and the right on good grounds from both sides.

Of the two favorites still in the chase I prefer Chuck Hagel, Republican over John Kerry, Democrat. He is a temperate, and courageous man with true common sense. Kerry like Rice is a climber who sways like a weak rooted tree when buffeted by a strong wind.

Read this regarding Rice: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/20...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Dec 16, 2012, at 12:50 AM

OKR,

Yeah I read that earlier.

That is good news.

Can you believe it, mate?

The American CIA Agents RAPED him.

Since when is RAPE acceptable under our Domestic laws or the International rules our Nation agreed to?

Even in War, RAPE is a crime.

The Republicans have a lot to answer for.

When will Republicans begin taking personal responsibility for the criminal acts they order?

And how long will we as a nation stand idly by while the Republican criminals who ordered this and other crimes like it go free with no consequences for their actions?

I hope in 2014, the American People will show their contempt for the Republican rapists and kick every Republican in Congress to the curb -- its time we send them a message!!

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Dec 14, 2012, at 12:00 AM

Finally a conviction in a court of standing regarding CIA extraordinary rendition under the war criminal George W. Bush. http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Dec 13, 2012, at 10:08 PM

Maybe 30+ years of Reaganism didn't work?

Maybe its time we choose something different?

Maybe its time for a New Deal?

We better do something, because right now it looks like China is winning...by a wide margin, and the only thing that will save our guided capitalism is Keynesian Economic policies -- if we act quickly.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Dec 11, 2012, at 5:45 PM

"Chinese workers: 'America's loss is our gain"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kabd-kr9R...

"The Ka-Ching Dynasty! - China"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZgUyjzPS...

PBS Documentary - "China from the Inside - Power and the People"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMHAnh0Ie...

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Dec 10, 2012, at 2:50 PM

I might add that Chinese workers who are now middle class and no longer poor -- and who's kids have a real bright future -- would probably like to thank the 1% and their conservative American supporters for all they have done to make China number 1.

We told Bush, we told conservative Democrat Clinton, GATT and NAFTA were real, real bad ideas that would put us in the poor house.

But with the help of the conservatives in the House and Senate -- and lots and lots of "campaign donations" -- GATT and NAFTA sailed right on through.

And despite the fact that you are suffering, the good news is that the top 1% is doing very, very well indeed! They all own mansions in gated communities in China. They stopped caring about you folks a long time ago.

Yeah, job creators -- Chinese jobs!

Thanks a lot conservatives!!

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Dec 10, 2012, at 1:28 PM

"China's economy will be No. 1 in less than 20 years, US study says"

http://www.nbcnews.com/business/economyw...

A big thank you to the conservatives for sending our manufacturing to China.

Now you can be sure your kids and grandkids will starve alongside all the kids of those liberals you hated so much that you were willing to sell out your own Country in order to score some political points.

And to all you middle-of-the-roaders who enabled the conservatives to sell out the future of American kids, there is the fruit of your labor.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Dec 10, 2012, at 11:46 AM

"My first wish is to see this plague of mankind, war, banished from the earth."

"Observe good faith and justice toward all nations. Cultivate peace and harmony with all."

"Over grown military establishments are under any form of government inauspicious to liberty, and are to be regarded as particularly hostile to republican liberty."

--George Washington

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Mon, Dec 10, 2012, at 7:56 AM

OKR,

Is that the same war that got my nephew killed?

Yep that's the one, good ol' Afghanistan.

I often wonder how many more young people have to die before we end this tragedy in motion?

War makes no sense at all.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Dec 10, 2012, at 12:41 AM

"Deliverance"?

Oklahoma style?

OMG!!!!

I wonder how that would go? Moo like a cow maybe?

Then again, I am sure pigs are also a product of Oklahoma.

"Dueling Banjos"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myhnAZFR1...

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Dec 10, 2012, at 12:34 AM

"U. S. Military facing fresh questions over targeting of children in Afghanistan" This is a typical development when immersed in a quagmire.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/dec...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Dec 9, 2012, at 10:08 PM

Now if he had instead mentioned Deliverance type shenanigans going on in southeastern Oklahoma he may have maintained a modicum of credibility. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Dec 9, 2012, at 9:12 PM

Here's the quote. http://www.quotesdaddy.com/quote/366338/...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Dec 9, 2012, at 9:07 PM

To be precise that was school bathrooms.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Dec 9, 2012, at 9:00 PM

Yeh News, he's a knuckle dragger, and a homophobe to boot. He uttered one time that the girl's bathrooms in a southeastern Oklahoma town had to be constantly monitored because of lesbian attacks on the other girls. It was the epitome of utter nonsense. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Dec 9, 2012, at 8:57 PM

Yeah its sounds like he is a Classicalist (free-marketeer) OKR.

Funny that, even the conservative Economists moved on to Neoclassical Economic Theory around the turn of the last Century. Classical Economic Theory was the brain-child of 18th Century, Scottish Economist Adam Smith.

While his Classical theory was the first time anyone had approached Economics as a science and he is regarded as the Father of the Science of Economics, his theory was basically what we call today "Free Market" Economics -- Neoclassical's retarded cousin, sort-to-speak.

He was unable to do more than provide some general definitions and admitted that his observations failed to identify what he referred to as "the invisible hand of the market."

Today that hand is no longer invisible and we know what the mechanisms are that drive economies.

In fact, his Classical Theory was abandoned by late 19th Century Economists as the science matured and as new discoveries were made.

Even conservative economists began to admit that the math and empirical evidence demonstrated that the Classical approach (Free-Market approach) drove the 99% into the poor house, concentrated all the wealth into the hands of a few, resulted into the huge problems Americans and Europeans experienced with massive deflationary periods every 5 to 6 years, and in market forces such as Perfect Competition reducing average wages to the level of slave wages.

Now guys like this Senator want to return to the days of Classical Economic policies.

Its gotta make a fella wonder, just how far back do they want to set that clock?

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Dec 9, 2012, at 6:19 PM

For instance News, read this. http://truth-out.org/news/item/13168-to-...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Dec 9, 2012, at 4:05 PM

He is not typical News because he is also a fiscal watch dog. He may be the greatest proponent of deep cuts in the defense department budget who is in the Senate. It is his somewhat redeeming quality.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Dec 9, 2012, at 4:00 PM

Oh and by the way OKR, you live out there in Muskogee, I mean, Oklahoma, have you ever heard of this guy?

"Coburn: Medicare and Social Security 'are things we don't absolutely need"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/12/09/co...

Would you say that this fellow is pretty much your everyday, mainstream Okie type?

Ya know I keep sayin' it 'cause its true -- we just need to let that ax fall. I don't see what the problem is. Just let it fall. Boom!! The whole thing goes. No ifs, no ands, no buts, and the best part -- no more wars.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Dec 9, 2012, at 1:21 PM

Such as that News keeps me in, at the least, faint hope. I am pessimistic because implanting beliefs in ever more sophisticated ways by the rulers leaves the masses clueless excepting a confusing anxiety in their minds. :(

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Dec 9, 2012, at 12:55 PM

OKR,

Remember that Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi has already shown the way to freedom.

He brought the World's largest Empire to its knees and never fired a shot, broke a bone, or bruised anything other than British pride.

We the People do the labor. We the People do almost all the consuming. If we stop doing both, the rich fall.

Gandhi proved it!!

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Dec 9, 2012, at 12:34 PM

The thought occurs to me as the one percenters steal more, and more from the rest of us, and resentment rises against them, that perhaps there is one niche where they will actually create some new jobs right here in America. Food tasters will be necessary to them, and understandably well paid due to the potentially shortened life span of that career. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Dec 9, 2012, at 12:01 PM

By the way SD good stuff today. The link I just posted ties in nicely with what you said. :)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Dec 9, 2012, at 11:49 AM

"Lost Civilization" a spot on, and hilarious account of the current Republican Party.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/09/opinio...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Dec 9, 2012, at 11:39 AM

Jason,

We already have an agreement.

On January 1 there will be a 50%, across the board cut to everything -- entitlement and military spending.

No need to negotiate. We did all the negotiating we needed to do last year when the Republicans held the American People hostage.

So let's just relax and stick to the agreement we already have.

Let's let that ax fall and let the pieces lay where they will.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Dec 9, 2012, at 11:02 AM

I thin we ought to raise taxes on the top 2% that would force the democrats to look at entitlement reform and get cut into the defecit,

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Sun, Dec 9, 2012, at 10:31 AM

And for my final poke in the eye for Republican leadership I give you this article from Jonathan Bernstein regarding the new generation of GOP leaders.

http://www.salon.com/2012/12/08/will_the...

I couldn't agree more. Plenty of party line fluff to appease the donors, no actual proposals or policy. Thus is the post-election GOP.

I reckon we should give them some credit for having become masters of obstruction.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Sun, Dec 9, 2012, at 9:33 AM

Here's some karma.

The very next news story I stumbled onto after my previous dissertation was about Michelle Bachmann, the millionaire fundraiser and another of the GOP's "leaders."

It appears that Michelle is making millions simply running for office. Who knows how much she makes after winning, we don't get to know that.

According to the linked article she took in $14.4 million, and spent $11.8 million, so she has netted around $2.6 million just from running for her seat in the House of Representatives.

In 2010, she took in $13.5 million and spent $11.6 million, for a take of $1.9 million.

http://www.kare11.com/news/article/10012...

Atta girl, Michelle. $4.5 mil just from running for office. There's a conservative family value. Greed.

I certainly hope her supporters are proud of her. I know I am. If I could fleece $4.5 million from neo-cons legally, it sure would be hard to resist.

Wait, I reckon if I was willing to do things like that I already would have.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Sun, Dec 9, 2012, at 9:20 AM

News, perhaps you misinterpreted my snarky comment. I am not trying to say liberals are nazi's. It was an oxymoron.

On to better things. (With better being a term used sarcasticly. Sadly, I am beginning to think I have to explain my smart-alec comments on the blog.)

It appears that the UK's experiment with austerity programs in response to economic recession is not working. Once again, conservative response to growing debt and deficit with big budget cuts has failed to provide a cure to the Brittish ecomomic morass.

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/co...

Now, if we could just get the congressional obstructionists to put down their copies of "Atlas Shrugged," tune out their billionaire donor/masters, and listen, there might be something here to be learned.

I believe what we can learn is that economic recession is not self healing and stimulus is required. Weak stimulus measures provide weak recovery, which is what we are experiencing. At least we are faring better than our friends in the UK, who are suffering through huge conservative sponsored budget cuts. Sadly, those cuts have only further deepened the Brittish economic woes.

We should be worried that this looming "fiscal cliff" represents severe cuts in spending which will no doubt result in another recession.

Dropping off of that "fiscal cliff" accomplishes another goal of the GOP that we shouldn't take lightly. As they seem to adhere to the concept of making the public hate the government, the "do-nothing" nature of the Tea Party with regards to the dealing with the economy is working like a charm.

The automatic invoking of deep cuts to spending will initiate another recession which will undoubtedly further the American public's distrust of their elected leaders.

The idiots thought making the American voter hate the federal government would win the White House for the GOP. All it has done is create significant mistrust of politicians and government, and hardened the intuitive beliefs of the ill informed right while furthering the ideological divide among the public.

Keep in mind that I seriously doubt that another recession following the federal governments failure to deal with current economic conditions will impact the lifestyle of the billionaire 1%'ers that are the lifeblood of the GOP at all. Well, maybe they will have to put off buying that new yacht for a couple of years.

However, further recession will have a much more devistating impact upon the middle and lower classes where decisions will become more along the lines of "pay the rent or buy groceries."

It appears that todays conservatives are good for nothing except social issues. Want to post the Ten Commandments in a public building? Well, just watch the GOP swing into action then, eh?

Don't like paying for contraceptive care in your insurance plan? Plenty of GOP campaigning and support from the right then.

So, I guess that's where we are then today. Conservatives apparently have nothing much to bring to the party in government except a bunch of Christian dogma and social engineering.

Sadly, that used to be the group that harbored economic savvy and expertise, but all of those guys lost in the Republican primaires over the last decade or so, leaving the GOP woefully unprepared to lead, and with apparently no working ideas of how to fix our current economic and budget woes.

Unless of course you think a fellow like Paul Ryan is a leader, and that is just hillarious, a fellow who, by his own admission, got all his knowledge of sociology and economics from a dystopian fiction novel.

Or maybe that darling of cluelessness and reiteration of Rove-ology, Vicky Hartzler, is more your speed.

Welcome to the new GOP, neo-cons. Hope you are impressed with your party now.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Sun, Dec 9, 2012, at 8:57 AM

SD,

I have read AC's comments.

He does not seem to know much more about the subjects he comments on any better than jason or rr -- and that, as has been demonstrated over and over again, is not a lot.

Clearly AC is living in the Republican/Fox News "reality bubble." That is the same bubble that convinced them they were a majority and were about to easily win the Presidential Election, and take control of the Senate as well.

And we know how that turned out.

That should clue you in on AC's opinions -- and his "sources" -- real well.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Dec 7, 2012, at 5:04 PM

Smart Dog

Well I don't know if that makes you a NAZI.

For a good description of fascism (nazism), I would refer you to Dr. Lawrence Britt's study, "The 14 Defining Characteristics of Fascism."

http://rense.com/general37/char.htm

I believe forcing sterilization upon anybody is a violation of the 1st, 4th, 5th, 8th, and 14th Amendments, just for starters.

What do you call someone who opposes our Constitution and Human Rights of Americans? Ya got me. I would call that person a tyrant. Are they a NAZI tyrant? Darned if I know.

But I do know it does not make you a liberal in any political sense that I am familiar with unless of course you are confusing the terms "liberal" and "Neoliberal," -- which are complete opposites.

As far as defining the political terms "Liberal" and "Conservative", as they relate to American politics, I prefer that of Dr. Charles W. Dunn's which he details in his book, "American Democracy Debated" General Learning Press, 1978.

Liberal Defined: 1.) Constitutional Approach, Liberal Interpretationist. 2.) Economic Approach, Keynesian.

Conservative Defined: 1.) Constitutional Approach, Strict Constructionist. 2.) Economic Approach, Neoclassicalist/Classicalist.

http://books.google.com.au/books/about/A...

Such a severe human rights violation as you suggest and support, forced sterilization, would probably fall under the classification of "Criminal Act." and "Crimes Against Humanity."

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Dec 7, 2012, at 4:34 PM

Looks like I am going to have to post a link to the truth about Romney's "47%'ers" comment again for Almost Critical as he apparently still thinks 47% of Americans are deadbeats living off the federal government.

http://www.businessinsider.com/mitt-romn...

Sheesh.

In reality, I think everyone can agree that there are abuses of the Social Security Disability system and of Medicare and Medicaid going on.

Also, I think we would all agree that abuses by those who are scamming the system, or who should not be receiving benefits, should be cleaned up.

Strangling the federal government is not going to get that done.

Cooperation by our politicians and the passage of some legislation might make it happen, but how would we know, as it appears that the GOP are more interested in political theater than anything else at this point.

I am all for reform of the systems. Mostly, I think budgets and efforts toward investigation and enforcement of welfare fraud, disability fraud, and Medicare fraud should be stepped up. That would be a good start.

I guess that makes me a bleeding heart liberal in the mind of conservatives because I would actually increase funding and regulation in order to target abusers and dead beats.

A nice start would be to get all the "baby daddys" out there to start supporting their illegitimate children so my tax dollars don't have to. That crap is way out of control. Mandatory sterilization has a nice ring to it.

But I guess that idea makes me a liberal nazi, eh?

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Fri, Dec 7, 2012, at 4:01 PM

Hey guys and gals, Aussie Wife recently told me she is quite sure that AC (almost critical) is actually Jason who she is pretty sure is actually rr.

She calls him "almost jason."

Lol...she does, seriously lol.

Any thoughts on this possibility?

Personally, I can't see why he would use different names, but then again, he sure sounds like Jason and rr.

Of course I don't care what names a person posts comments under. I am just glad they comment.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Dec 7, 2012, at 3:57 PM

OKR,

Its another good reason to return the filibuster to its original state and purpose -- requiring the filibuster to continue to speak and when he is finished speaking, the bill goes to a straight up or down, simple majority vote.

Its time our Nation puts Republican obstructionism behind us.

In fact, at the current rate that the Republican members are dying off (boomers) and the much lower rate of new memberships (young people), the future of the Republican Party is bleak indeed. So in the end, their obstructionism may very well be the very force which ends up destroying their own party.

Kinda ironic isn't it? Lol...

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Dec 7, 2012, at 2:16 PM

Republicans in the Senate are stupid. Democrats in the Senate are crazy...Because the Republicans drive them crazy.

Get this LOL: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/06...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Dec 7, 2012, at 10:38 AM

I urge both the Republicans and the President who are in negotiations on the fiscal cliff thing to just end the negotiations and please go home and have a nice holiday break.

If the Republicans and Democrats are serious about cutting the Federal Budget deficit then all they have to do is walk away from the negotiations permanently.

Both sides agreed last year, in writing, that if they could not negotiate successfully then there would be an across the board cut of 50% -- including slashing the military budget in half (also effectively ending our capacity to continue to wage endless war).

Both sides already signed an agreement.

Let's just go with that one.

I hope both parties will walk away from that negotiating table right now, go home, enjoy the holiday season, and let that budget ax fall!!

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Dec 7, 2012, at 3:07 AM

Jo,

I would love to see Bush, Cheney, Rove, Rice, Rumsfeld, and other Bush Administration officials involved in crimes, and conspiracies to commit crimes, prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

Have a real nice X-mas and a happy New year Jo!!!

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Dec 7, 2012, at 1:53 AM

News: you mentioned Treason,and i know you haven't forgot Bush,Cheney, Rumsfeld, Armitage and a few more in that tight little minded group! You know i think i would give 5 years of my short life to see this happen, (Prosecutions) but, The time is running out! Too all my Buddies on this Blog,enjoy the Holidays my Friends.

-- Posted by Jo on Thu, Dec 6, 2012, at 10:02 PM

Jim DeMint leaves the Senate.

He got a cushy job offer, so he left before he was voted out in 2016.

He basically quit the sinking tea party ship and grabbed what he could.

LOL

-- Posted by Interested Too on Thu, Dec 6, 2012, at 10:02 PM

"Democrats watch in awe as McConnell filibusters himself"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/12/06/de...

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/...

...and Republicans wonder why folks think Republicans are stupid...lol.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Dec 6, 2012, at 6:02 PM

Don't worry OKR, the matter of state secession was settled by the Civil War -- the most bitter war our Nation has ever fought.

Secession is treason. Treason is a serious matter.

A lot of folks don't seem to realize we hang folks for treason, and if Lincoln had not issued a pardon for the traitors in the South that attacked the United States of America, the Southern traitors surely would have swung from a rope by their necks.

For me its a personal matter. My Great Grandfather fought against the rebel scum traitors for 3 long years on behalf of our Nation -- 1 Nation -- the United States of America.

The states can secede when they can beat the United States of America on the battlefield -- which will be never.

And I do hope they start prosecuting some of the secessionists for sedition soon in order to send a strong message to the would be traitors. We won't tolerate treason!!!

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Dec 6, 2012, at 2:40 AM

Evenin NA & ND. :)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Dec 6, 2012, at 1:09 AM

Oh God no Nana! they are bound to choose Oklahoma, and it would drive me insane. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Dec 6, 2012, at 1:07 AM

Hey ND,

Did you notice we both were posting similar responses on the front page at exactly the same time.

And I was thinking the whole time I was writing my response to "almost critical", just wait till ND reads his nonsense...lol, she will rip him a new one...lol!!!!!

and you did not disappoint lol.

But the best part is both our responses were posted at almost the exact same moment.

I guess its true, great minds think alike....

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Dec 6, 2012, at 12:24 AM

The thought occurs to me that there is nothing so dangerous, nothing so contagious as closed minds. They cause closed health care clinics, closed roads, closed schools, closed businesses, and a closed Congress.

They close access to health care choices, even to freedom itself.

Any growth that closed minds cause is perfidious, and results in great harm. More prisons are opened, more wars occur, and more people die.

Sadly there is no cure for a closed mind.

Perhaps they should be isolated all together, responsible for there own survival, as not half so contagious lepers once were. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Dec 5, 2012, at 11:13 PM

SD,

I think the President should simply withdraw from any further negotiations with the Republicans since they are refusing to negotiate anyway.

Let's let that ax fall and let the pieces lay where they will.

Let's go with the planned 50% cuts across the board (including cutting 50% of our military budget), let the tax give-away to the rich naturally cease on Jan 1, and return to the tax rates of the Clinton era.

Its the best solution and requires no negotiations.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Dec 5, 2012, at 2:40 PM

Smart Dog

Because they understand absolutely nothing about Economics mate.

The cons believe economies are pulled along by the rich who they claim are job creators.

Their belief is in error and does not conform to any Economic theories I am familiar with.

Economies are pushed along by consumption and the engine is Economic Demand.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Dec 5, 2012, at 1:59 PM

Obviously many neo-con supporters must be making over $250,000/year in gross income as I can't imagine why someone who is not in that income bracket would care about increases on those who can most afford it.

Either that, or they have fallen for the "those rich folks deserve a bigger slice of the pie than you" brainwashing of the 'Karl Rovians'.

Also, there is a fundamental problem with the elimination of FICA payroll tax cuts for middle class folks.

Rich folk such as Mitt Romney, the Koch bros., et al, don't pay FICA, they get their income from interest, dividends, and capital gains. You have to be recieving a paycheck from and employer to be subject to FICA withholding I suppose, or paying self employment taxes. That alone is why the GOP supports eliminating the Bush era cuts to FICA.

George Bush gave working folks FICA tax cuts along with the huge breaks for corporations and the 1%'ers. Thank you George.

Now the Repugnicans want to raise that FICA tax back up by 2%. This is a tax increase for the working class but will not affect the top income folks.

How in the wild, wild world of sports does any person working for a paycheck still support the millionaire party on the right?

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Wed, Dec 5, 2012, at 10:21 AM

"Republicans cite abortion, home schooling to defeat UN disability treaty"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/12/04/re...

Yeah, the conservative crazies are still on the Hill...but not for long.

2014 cometh and cometh right soon!

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Dec 5, 2012, at 1:17 AM

Hey Jason,

Are you into the military, combat, war, and all that kind of stuff? Lots of the conservatives are.

So you may want to go back into the bubble on January 1st when you can only afford half an army.

JANUARY 1, LET'S LET THAT AXE FALL AND LET THE PIECES LAY WHERE THEY WILL!!

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Dec 5, 2012, at 12:59 AM

Jason

The big O could not careless what you think mate. You didn't vote for him.

Now the right wing wackos want to cry because they have learned they are nothing but a small minority.

But the right-wing-wackos do think they were "born to rule." You know, like Hitler thought he was "born to rule," and you know what happened to him.

We the People are in charge now mate, and the Big O is boss because we say he is.

So we are not surprised to hear the small minority of cons cry and whine because We the People won't let the cons kick us around anymore.

If the Congress does not get its act together, we will take that away from the right-wing-wackos too ...in less than 2 short years.

Democracy, its back!!

Get used to it!

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Dec 5, 2012, at 12:28 AM

Dear Dictator Obaama take your higher taxes proposal and stick it where the sun don't shine.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Tue, Dec 4, 2012, at 10:42 PM

"Obama to Republicans: Raise taxes on rich or no fiscal cliff deal"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/12/04/ob...

Thank you President Obama for standing up to America's enemies!!

CONS TAKE NOTE:

There's a new sheriff in town and his name is Obama. Your hay-day of obstructionism and anti-Americanism is over.

Get used to it!!

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Dec 4, 2012, at 8:24 PM

OK, I found out from fox news what the hold up is on my Obama phone.

Apparently I forget to use the magic word.

BEnGHAZI! BEnGHAZI!! BEnGHAZI!!!

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Dec 4, 2012, at 2:48 PM

Hey I hear from Ted Nugent that the government is handing out free "Obama Phones."

I want my Obama Phone too!!

Why is Obama discriminating against Americans who live overseas?

I WANT MY OBAMA PHONE DARN IT!!!!!!

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Dec 4, 2012, at 2:27 PM

Yeah I see your point IT.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Dec 4, 2012, at 2:24 PM

Not sure how all of this ended up in politics, but it certainly is topical.

-- Posted by Interested Too on Tue, Dec 4, 2012, at 2:08 PM

News,

I never claimed you made a diagnosis, I just said it might be interesting to see if they were on the drug regimen you suggested.

Wasn't knocking your post in any way.

I would certainly hope that they had a second opinion, especially if repeated head trauma was a factor.

-- Posted by Interested Too on Tue, Dec 4, 2012, at 2:07 PM

Republicans, and the radical right (interchangeable terms these days) are the epitome of hypocrisy. They are throwing a tantrum about recess appointments by President Obama. That includes the ones who post here.

At the moment law suits promoting its prohibition are winding their way through the courts. The Republican Party has filed a friend of the court brief supporting the plaintiffs.

President Obama made thirty two recess appointments during his first term in office. George W. Bush made ninety nine such appointments when he was president. There was never a peep from the irrational right (also interchangeable with "Republican" these days) who were all for it then. LOL (followed by my sneer of derision). ;) http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Dec 4, 2012, at 1:37 PM

HES BACK!!

AND HE IS JUST AS CONFUSED AS HE EVER WAS!

"Nugent: Budget deal should suspend welfare recipients' voting rights"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/12/04/nu...

Its times like these that I almost want to get on my knees and thank Sweet Jesus for this manna from Heaven.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyK1bZZ7E...

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Dec 4, 2012, at 1:08 PM

Interested Too,

Just to clarify, I was not and did not make a medical diagnosis nor prognosis of anyone.

I simply said that I would put my betting money on ASAD. That is not the same as a diagnosis.

However, I am familiar with ASAD and its symptoms.

I hope the link I provided which describes this disorder might increase awareness of the disorder and may prove beneficial to any of the readers who may be suffering from it.

The only advice I offered was that if a person is suffering from some, all, and any of the symptoms of ASAD, they should consult their physician as soon as possible.

So now you say Jovan was under treatment for some unknown-to-you condition and a head injury. In retrospect, perhaps a second opinion might have been beneficial to the patient. Either way, the prognosis he was given apparently failed to adequately treat his condition. After all, the patient (and his girlfriend) are now both dead and one could hardly call that a success.

"Adult Separation Anxiety Disorder"

http://anxietypanichealth.com/reference/...

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Dec 4, 2012, at 12:01 PM

Not in my lifetime, but thankfully in that of many of you, folks will look back on the ludicrous resistance to medical marijuana with derision and resentment. Some day it will become known as the most remarkable medicine in the world.

Here is one small example: http://www.aol.com/video/did-cannabis-cu...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Dec 4, 2012, at 11:17 AM

Turns out that Jovan Belcher and his girlfriend were being treated by a psychologist, courtesy of the Chiefs.

It will be interestng to see if they were on any drug regimen as News suggested. It will also be interesting to see if there was brain trauma involved after his autopsy is completed. He had been under treatment for repeated head trauma, and his girlfriend had mentioned some early dementia problems.

Time will tell.

This post is a result of stories on KansasCity.com and ESPN...and are not my own evaluation.

-- Posted by Interested Too on Tue, Dec 4, 2012, at 10:31 AM

I have said many times that Obama brought the wrong Robert into his governing clique. I think of Robert Reich as the Little Giant of American politics. :)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Dec 4, 2012, at 10:00 AM

Hey OKR,

Did you know that Economists have heroes!

We do.

Robert Reich is one of mine.

His advice is always spot on.

Great video mate.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Dec 4, 2012, at 12:42 AM

Two and a half minutes with Robert Reich. "Hold Your Ground". http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pla...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Dec 3, 2012, at 11:05 PM

Well Jo,

Its a good start.

Let's hope Senator Reid is successful.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Dec 3, 2012, at 1:08 PM

So, yeah guns kill, but what makes the killer pull the trigger?

Well in Jovan Belcher's case I would put my betting money on "ASAD" -- Adult Separation Anxiety Disorder.

The sad part is that these kinds of tragedies, such as that of Jovan Belcher and his girlfriend, are easily averted with anti-anxiety medication.

Had he discussed his symptoms and relationship problem with his physician, he would have been started on medication that very day and would not have been suffering from the symptoms once he began his medication. The end result is that he would be alive, she would be alive, and he would still be a good linebacker.

Adult Separation Anxiety Disorder

http://anxietypanichealth.com/reference/...

Ladies and Gents, if you find yourself suffering from a broken relationship to the point where you can't function -- please do not dismiss it as heartbreak and think "well I just have to suffer."

It isn't "simple heartbreak."

And it can kill you and others if left untreated.

And it is treatable. You do not have to suffer at all.

Its a real disorder and it can be easily treated by your physician with the symptoms disappearing almost immediately after the medication therapy begins.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Dec 3, 2012, at 1:07 PM

Thanks News!How this nonsense becomes Law, is my grip. This could be the start of getting rid of more nonsense, going on in our Government! But as it stands someone has to raise more hell! Thanks for Educating me my friend!

-- Posted by Jo on Mon, Dec 3, 2012, at 12:55 PM

"Sportscaster Bob Costas condemns U.S. gun culture during NFL game"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/12/03/sp...

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Dec 3, 2012, at 12:13 PM

I like bare arms too, but only on some people.

-- Posted by Interested Too on Mon, Dec 3, 2012, at 11:08 AM

Jo

its my understanding that Senate Majority Leader, Senator Harry Reid is attempting to do just that -- get rid of the current form of filibuster.

Back in the old days when they would use the filibuster, they could only delay the vote as long as they could keep speaking. When the speaking stopped, it went to a straight up or down, simple majority vote -- 51% wins.

That is why there were so few filibusters back then. At best all the opposition could do is delay the vote for a short time.

Then Senate Rule 22 changed all that.

They changed the part that required the opposition to continually speak in order to delay the simple majority vote.

So now all the opposition has to do is inform the majority that the opposition intends to filibuster and it automatically requires a super-majority to end the debate -- even though they are not actually doing any debating.

It made filibustering so easy that the Republicans now filibuster almost every single piece of legislation that comes up in the Senate.

The end result has been years of Republican obstructionism where by they have almost brought the work of the Senate to a complete halt and have ensured that the Will of the People will be obstructed.

Senator Reid is now working hard to get the filibuster back to the original intent.

"Harry Reid: Filibuster Reform Will Be Pursued In The Next Congress"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/07...

"Obama backs Reid's filibuster reform effort"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post...

"Reid moves to limit GOP filibusters"

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012...

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Dec 2, 2012, at 10:45 PM

News: I respect what your saying ,but i can't see the Tough,your seeing! Civillized maybe! Why they don't try and change the way, of getting their way with Tatic's of having the filibuster stopping Vote's on very serious issues! I feel you have an answer,but with a lot of compromise! "NO" we've compromised enough! He's wasting time. Four years isn't but a blink of the eye,when there is so much too do!

-- Posted by Jo on Sun, Dec 2, 2012, at 9:29 PM

"Hear" lol...make that "Here"

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Dec 2, 2012, at 8:43 PM

Hear is an interesting question, does living in the conservative comfort bubble have any serious, long term effects on the conservative?

How long can a person survive in an imaginary World and ignore reality?

Conservatism is a mental illness, to be sure.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Dec 2, 2012, at 7:46 PM

If you can't beat them join them. ;)

Adult acne has increased during Republican presidencies.

More cats, and dogs are abandoned during Republican Administrations, than during Democratic Administrations.

Some state that figure is in error because it doesn't factor in that more dogs are eaten during the hard times caused by the Republicans.

Find proof that those statements are not true Jason, and rr3! I stand by them until you do. I will not acknowlege that you disproved them even if you do.

(satire)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Dec 2, 2012, at 6:35 PM

"Bill Kristol: Republicans look like they 'don't care about the middle class"

(with video)

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/12/02/bi...

Even Republicans can see Republicans hate the middle class!!

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Dec 2, 2012, at 5:20 PM

Good Point Jo,

it sure looks like the Republican Party has lost its collective mind!!

But I sure am glad to see President Obama finally standing up to those Republicans who prefer our Nation fail.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Dec 2, 2012, at 5:18 PM

Lets just start from the beginning of Obama's second term by fool proofing the Voting System.then attacking the Filibuster to a 51% rule! Then take on the big Problems? The way it is now,with the Majority in the Republicans hands we're back were we started,i see NO change,other than time being lost!! Does this make any sense to anyone??????

-- Posted by Jo on Sun, Dec 2, 2012, at 5:05 PM

Thanks ND for clearing that up.

It looks like you were making up stories about our President again Jason.

Why can't the cons get over their conservative bias??

What is wrong with conservatives?

Is it mental illness?

Is it sour grapes because America rejects conservatism?

Or is it their hatred of freedom and their desire to see America fail?

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Dec 2, 2012, at 4:21 PM

"Geithner touts Democrats' fiscal plan; Boehner says 'We are nowhere"

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/12/...

The President tried to reason with Congress, but those Republicans could not care any less about the well being of the poor or the middle class.

President Obama should simply allow the budget ax to fall as planned -- let the pieces settle where they will.

let's go with the 50% cuts across the board -- everything on the table, including military spending.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Dec 2, 2012, at 12:04 PM

Or is this just another one of your unprovable "instatfacts?"

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Dec 2, 2012, at 11:58 AM

Jason1969

Can you qualify that by posting the link to your source of that information mate?

In particular, I want to see if they have converted all the previous debt to current (2012) dollars.

I want to see the base they are using in their calculation. In fact, I want to see all their calculations.

Let's see the math details please!

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Dec 2, 2012, at 11:37 AM

The federal government has now borrowed more money during Barack Obama's time as president than it did in the period lasting from the time President George Washington took the oath office until July 2, 2001, more than five months into the first term of President George W. Bush. I am just adding the debt from the time he started being president not the previous debt.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Sun, Dec 2, 2012, at 11:12 AM

Heck Jason,

Even the French are getting hip to the right to bare arms and to stand their ground.

As a result of the increase in armed citizens in France, those pesky, loud, noisy parties on the weekends that the French are so famous for, are quickly becoming a thing of the past.

Finally, French streets are becoming quiet and orderly.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/12/01/sh...

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Dec 2, 2012, at 12:57 AM

And Jason,

For the record, I have a long and consistent history of strongly supporting the right to bare arms (see Speak Out comments archive for more on this).

In fact mate, I fully agree with Tea Party Former Congressman Allen West when he says,

"I believe for personal security, every American should have to go out and buy a Glock 9mm. And if you don't do it, we'll tax you."

(Paragraph 4, line 1)

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/07/02/al...

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Dec 1, 2012, at 8:10 PM

Jason1969

Well mate that may be your take on it.

However we in the Tea Party believe in our 2nd Amendment rights.

You say somebody got murdered.

But many others would say the alleged murderer was a law abiding citizen who was legally carrying his weapon and had broken no laws until the shooting.

Many would interpret his actions as a strong endorsement of the 2nd Amendment and our right to bare arms as well as a strong statement on our right to stand our ground.

As to your claims about weapons being banned by Stalin and Hitler, you are incorrect in both cases.

Weapons were widely available in Stalinist Russia and NAZI Germany . Both Stalin and Hitler were strong proponents of the right to bare arms -- and much like the USA, qualified citizens were issued permits to carry their weapons.

Also, both Stalin and Hitler were in fact very popular in their prospective Nations.

Its not like there was any active opposition to either and both seemed to have enjoyed the overwhelming popular support of their respective constituencies.

Face it Jason, your liberal position on this issue is full of holes.

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Dec 1, 2012, at 7:59 PM

My disdain for people who have taken such a tragedy and try to make political points is at a all time high..The weapon didn't kill the lady it was murderer. Someone once said, Once you disarm the public all you have left is victims. My point is Nazi Germany had gun control and the holocaust happen there. USSR had gun control and look what Stalin did to his people, not to mention China and its lovely track record sure I could name other countries or former countries. Again the leftist socialist fools lead the country and what will have in the end is a foolish country.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Sat, Dec 1, 2012, at 7:23 PM

Yes, its been a banner weekend for the 2nd Amendment and the most vocal supporters of the right to bare arms, the Tea Party.

The lengths to which Americans are standing their ground when it comes to their 2nd Amendment Rights is really astounding since the formation of the Tea Party.

The right to bare arms includes a variety of lethal weapons and is not just limited to firearms.

The 2nd Amendment refers to the right of citizens to bare arms which would have to include the right to carry and use a bow and arrow, crossbow, or other tension-based weapons -- and of course the always popular, sharpened knife.

Here is another story of 2nd Amendment courage I read about this weekend. Its the story of a young man who paid the ultimate sacrifice to stand his ground on the issue of the right to bare arms.

Another hero of the Tea Party principled 2nd Amendment stand.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/...

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Dec 1, 2012, at 6:02 PM

Jovan Belcher's decision to stand his ground regarding his 2nd Amendment right to bare arms is something the Tea Party can be proud of.

While Mr. Belcher was not, as far as anyone knows, a card-carrying member of the Tea Party or the Republican Party, he did never-the-less share their passion for the 2nd Amendment, the right to bare arms, the right to stand their ground, their love of firearms, and their enthusiasm for responsible gun ownership.

While in life he was a humble Chief's linebacker, his final sacrifice for his beliefs -- going that extra mile in order to drive home the importance of our right to bare arms and our right to stand our ground -- was probably his greatest achievement.

In life was a fairly good linebacker.

Now he is an immortalized Tea Party hero!!

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Dec 1, 2012, at 4:00 PM

Hey Jason,

do you know what a recess appointment is?

Lol...yeah I am pretty sure the Senate Christmas break is coming.

During that break, the President will simply appoint ambassador Rice to be our new Secretary of State using the recess appointment mechanism, and Senator Kerry will keep his Senate Seat.

See how easy that is?

BTW, the Republican Congress just hit a new record for lowest popularity in the history of the USA.

We the People will clean that mess up in 2014.

Since the Republican Party does not "get it," its best we simply pull all their teeth, sort-to-speak.

No prob, we have the numbers to do it.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Nov 30, 2012, at 12:44 AM

Jason1969

The Republican Party is finished.

You know it.

I know it.

We all know it.

And Susan Rice is the next Secretary of State.

Get used to it!!

BEnGHAZI! BEnGHAZI!! BEnGHAZI!!!

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Nov 29, 2012, at 9:40 PM

Susan Rice does not deserve anything she is a liar to the the american people...And Obama is not a dictator should not get what she wants. Obama is going to be the downfall of the democrat party.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Thu, Nov 29, 2012, at 8:39 PM

Regarding Susan Rice,

it looks like its time for a recess appointment.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Nov 28, 2012, at 2:03 PM

ND,

There are a number of things we could do to increase Tax revenues rather than reducing our national standards of living, and all of them would be better than reducing our national living standards as the conservatives prefer.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Nov 28, 2012, at 2:01 PM

Cutting spending on social programs = cutting our National living standards.

What we need to do is increase Government tax revenues. Not decrease our standards and live poorer.

Yes cut where its needed of course to make Government more efficient -- such as cuts to military spending and cutting our Federal and State prison system costs. Legalizing cannabis for recreational use by adults over 18 would go a long way in cutting the latter.

If we can't pay our bills on our current salary, then its time for an increase in salary...raise the taxes on the rich sufficiently and we won't need to cut social programs.

And r, you conservatives need to stop driving down our National standards and get with the program.

The President has a mandate from the People and by golly, he intends to keep his bargain with the majority that elected him.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Nov 28, 2012, at 5:38 AM

Oh yeh r, I guess I need to remind you that Bill Clinton was the last President to approach commandeering a balanced budget. DEMOCRAT!

Big deficits? Ronald Reagan, and George W. Bush, REPUBLICANS!

Your boys are all flash, and no cash. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Nov 27, 2012, at 9:59 PM

Wrong as usual r. LOL Drastically cutting spending is absolutely necessary. I have said it before, but you forget so soon. There, you heard it again from a liberal.

Let's start with cutting the bloated war machine by fifty percent. Then lets stop the subsidies to corporate agriculture, and the oil industry.

You are on board with that, right? Or are you one of those neocons that advocates recklessly throwing away this taxpayer's dollars. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Nov 27, 2012, at 8:55 PM

We have become a culture of hand outs instead of hard work. Some how we want all the benefits of hard work without doing it. Psc won the election but what is his plan for avoiding the fiscal cliff? The conservatives ought to have him explain to the people what his plan is. All we hear is tax increases on the rich. So if the liberals get what they want are we going to be debt free and have a balanced budget 5-10 years from now? Are they going to ever tell us ok we have enough money? Is there really anyone stupid enough to believe this. Cut spending is the only answer and we will not hear it from a liberal. The hand outs are making the hard workers the slaves.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Tue, Nov 27, 2012, at 8:29 PM

I don't know if they idolize Scrooge, or not News, but he could count on the same 47% of the vote that Romney got if he ran as their candidate for president.

I must say that I have more respect for the 47% he disparaged, than the 47% that voted for him.

As time goes on folks will forget whether he is Mitt, Willard, or Milton, and may even confuse him with George Romney, but he will be forever known as "Old Forty Seven Percent".

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Nov 27, 2012, at 7:44 PM

"If [the poor] would rather die, they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population."

"There is nothing on which [the world] is so hard as poverty; and there is nothing it professes to condemn with such severity as the pursuit of wealth."

Ebenezer Scrooge

"A Christmas Carol" Charles Dickens

http://www.stormfax.com/dickens.htm

I wonder r,

Do you conservatives idolize Ebenezer Scrooge?

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Nov 27, 2012, at 6:37 PM

Yeah everything was just hunky dory before Teddy's progressive ways....

Yeah the good old days...

It was a time when the Big Trusts who owned everything could get an average Joe lots of unlimited hours of work for slave wages. If he didn't like the pay he could hit the highway!

And if his wife didn't keep her foreman happy, she could forget her slave wages. Of course a lot of the foremen in those days had some positions available in a little side-line the foreman were into during those years -- if she wanted to make a few extra cents after work. Of course, she would not be able to tell her husband about the extra job -- but the babies have to eat.

The foremen in the factories used to make a fella pay a percentage of his weekly wages to the foreman or he could forget his opportunity to make slave wages.

And hey, child labor laws? Lol...what?

Most of those city kids had to work in the factories too -- at least 12 hours a day.

Education was not a luxury they could afford. In fact often times, food was a luxury they could not afford. And those kids were almost perfectly designed for those really dangerous jobs that required a small person.

They normally got paid half the wages as an adult in that same job.

A lot of them didn't make it to adulthood, but what the heck it kept the population growth rate from exploding and besides regular folks had loads of kids they could not feed as it was.

The rich were doing them a favor!! They should have been grateful.

It was a day when the "job creators" were free to make a buck and create jobs!!.

No regulations, no rules, and free-market capitalism ruled the day. The "job creators" could be creative and no big progressive government agents snooping 'round to stop the whole thing up.

Yeah r, the good old days, when folks got worked to death, exploited at full tilt until there was nothing left for the rich to exploit out of them.

And then they got their final reward!

They got buried in a pauper's cemetery. No head stone and nothing to mark the grave -- and those were the lucky ones.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Nov 27, 2012, at 6:21 PM

My forebearers were American dirt farmers for two hundred years, and six generations, The three generations before mine in Saline County. Not a one of the four siblings in my generation are farmers, nor are any of their progeny. I recognize my heritage with gratitude.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Nov 27, 2012, at 4:56 PM

Thanks News for understanding what I was getting at with my question. Of course it all depends on one's mind set. I bet r got it too, but he will not admit to the underpinnings of his success. If he admitted that his entire political philosophy would fall like the house of cards that it duplicates.

He is a self made man after all owing nothing to anyone, or anything that went before him. The progressive era in the first two thirds of the last century never happened. Thus his preposterous statement that Theodore Roosevelt began the downfall of America. Which opinion, by the way, is not shared by lucid intelligentsia, conservative, nor liberal. They only argue Roosevelt's bent for imperialism.

There are none so blind as those who refuse to see. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Nov 27, 2012, at 4:43 PM

I bet like my folks, your family dates back to poor dirt farmers r.

And yeah they worked alright, while the rich folks played.

Yeah back in the day folks pretty much worked themselves to an early death...45, 50. The rich folks called all our families "serfs" back in those days. A serf is a slave.

Then after a few revolutions and civil wars back there in the old country, you know 'urope, the progressives came up with a nifty progressive idea -- let folks elect their leaders instead of letting the rich call all the shots.

That sure made things a bit better for your kin. Now they could actually own themselves.

But then the rich figured out how to control the democracies with money. Its called bribery. They found the conservative politicians of both major parties real easy to bribe. And pretty soon enough politicians were owned by the rich folks so well that they could keep firm control over everything, and that meant all the people were owned by the rich folks...again...including you...and they called them "serfs."

I guess we progressives will have to clean things up again after your boys all sold out to the rich...as usual.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Nov 27, 2012, at 3:31 PM

Worked!!

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Tue, Nov 27, 2012, at 3:13 PM

Just curious r, would you mind sharing what your Dad did for a living, and what his Dad did for a living?

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Nov 27, 2012, at 2:58 PM

A lot of this mess started with teddy and progressively gets worse as the worship of liberalism acting as santa claus gets worse.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Tue, Nov 27, 2012, at 2:48 PM

Really good try news but no sane intelligent being would believe that but they did vote for him.

psc = president santa claus

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Tue, Nov 27, 2012, at 2:25 PM

Thanks News. You mean people like Teddy Roosevelt?

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Nov 27, 2012, at 2:17 PM

OKR,

I think I can help with that.

PSC = "Progressives Saving Conservatives"

Its a reference to how throughout American history, it has always been the progressives who save our nation from the failed policies of conservatives.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Nov 27, 2012, at 1:58 PM

By the way what does psc mean? Have I missed some new right wing insult? ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Nov 27, 2012, at 1:51 PM

I am hoping r that you are with me on bringing the troops home today. I despise that Obama has made no move in that direction. It sure as hell cheapens his Nobel Peace Prize. Further, I thought the award was premature at the time, and it is further cheapened by his procrastination regarding peace.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Nov 27, 2012, at 1:49 PM

There is nothing to stop psc from bringing the troops home today. Nothing! We know he doesn't need congress so is that Bush's fault too!

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Tue, Nov 27, 2012, at 1:42 PM

On a happier note r, did you see that consumer confidence has reached has reached a four, and a half year high? Wonder why that is? Oh well it is not something to be angry about, or is it? ;)

http://www.nbcnews.com/business/economyw...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Nov 27, 2012, at 1:35 PM

Oh yes, and we have cause for anger at our eternal, infernal war machine.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Nov 27, 2012, at 1:13 PM

Have you missed the comments on the wars r? They are beyond partisan politics,and plumb the depths of human morality. What say you?

Welcome back. :)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Nov 27, 2012, at 1:11 PM

Could someone please explain that after winning the election why are liberals still so angry? Is this perpetual campaign mode?

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Tue, Nov 27, 2012, at 12:03 PM

"Ricks scuttles claim by Fox that he apologized privately for remarks'

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/11/27/ri...

Fox News, the official spokes-channel of the Republican Party, just doesn't get it.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Nov 27, 2012, at 11:58 AM

Excellent point ND,

American Empire wars keep on getting folks killed long after the war ends.

And its no picnic for the victims of our invasions either.

Like Iraq, their civil wars continue long after our troops end their foreign occupation of 3rd World countries that have never attacked the USA and were never a military threat to the USA.

When will Americans learn to stop listening to the warmongers?

For warmongers will always champion war even if it costs America everything it has including its freedom and its economy -- even if that war kills America completely. Such concerns mean nothing to the warmongers. For them, only war matters because they never have to pay the price of war -- but the American People pay the price and the price keeps going up.

For warmongers, there is no such thing as a justified peace.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Nov 27, 2012, at 11:32 AM

I live that story every day through my step son ND. After years of nothing being done about his invisible wounds they have now put him on three meds, are counseling, and evaluating his degree of disability. His decision making does seem better, and he is less erratic. It is what it is.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Nov 27, 2012, at 9:36 AM

I saw that NA; typical Fox. LOL

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Nov 27, 2012, at 9:19 AM

"Former Florida GOP leaders: Election laws meant to suppress Democratic voters"

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/news/s...

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/11/26/fo...

http://seattletimes.com/html/nationworld...

If folks who have been supporting the Republican Party still can't see that something is definitely rotten in the Republican Party, they would have to be completely brain dead -- or they just don't care about our Democracy.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Nov 27, 2012, at 4:42 AM

OKR,

You gotta see this lol -- priceless!!

"Military expert booted after accusing Fox News of 'operating as wing of the Republican Party"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/11/26/mi...

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Nov 27, 2012, at 2:08 AM

Evenin' ND, News. :)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Nov 27, 2012, at 12:42 AM

My heart is heavy as I reflect on The Forgotten War. The murderous insanity continues tonight in Afghanistan as we spend all our time figuring out how best to make things cushy once again.

I think that a war movie should be made with the only sound track the sounds of war. It should be unexpurgated; flying arms, and heads of blown to bits children, The screams of soldiers whose legs we have just witnessed being blown off, the deafening sounds of blasts, odorama included, featuring the smell of burning flesh, and the stench of death. And death, everywhere death.

I think that every adult in this country should have to watch it. When contemplating war, members of Congress should have to watch it once a month, and the President and his cabinet, once a week. Perhaps if we really knew the horrors of war, and what collateral damage really is, we would not be so dam*ed John Wayneish ready to ride off reins in our teeth, six guns blazing, over the cliff to hell.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Nov 27, 2012, at 12:28 AM

"Filibuster fight may threaten accord on avoiding fiscal cliff"

http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/201...

Great!

Let that axe fall!!

Let the pieces scatter where they will.

50% reduction in military spending -- yeah its worth it!

SENATORS AND CONGRESSMEN, LET THAT BUDGET AXE FALL!!

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Nov 26, 2012, at 11:59 PM

Well said OKR.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Nov 26, 2012, at 5:25 PM

It is a conservative family value for the parents of a twelve year old girl who is raped, and impregnated by her uncle who has Huntington's disease to make her have the baby.

It is a conservative family value to cheer when American bombers blow up women, and children in foreign cities whose nation is incapable of attacking America. Hurrah for Shock and Awe!

It is a conservative family value to support snatching children from foreign lands, then hold them incommunicado to adulthood at Gitmo.

Three strikes, and they are out!

Out of compassion, out of reason, and out of their minds. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Nov 26, 2012, at 5:04 PM

Baggage

http://media.caglecartoons.com/media/car...

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Nov 26, 2012, at 2:20 PM

SD,

The conservatives have very strange families.

Oddly, what the conservatives call a "family" is, judging by the manifestation of their conservative "values," something normal people would not recognize as being even remotely similar to a normal American "family."

In fact, when conservatives refer to "family values," they are referring to something much more akin to Mafia family values.

Murder, torture, rape, genocide, sedition, and treason are all good examples of conservative "family values." These are things they fully support.

Many today wonder if Republicans are capable of defining simple terms or even using a standard American English dictionary.

Having the capacity to read and understand written words is NOT a conservative family value.

Along with their very unusual "family values," Republican ignorance and subsequent inability to adjust to normal American family values are some of the major contributing factors to the conservative inability to win elections or govern justly.

Perhaps its time conservatives get their head out of that hole their hiding it in and learn to appreciate American family values instead, but I doubt it will ever happen.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Nov 26, 2012, at 1:44 PM

Apparently continuous war is also a family value.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Mon, Nov 26, 2012, at 9:56 AM

Election rigging and voter fraud must be family values, eh?

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Mon, Nov 26, 2012, at 7:48 AM

And speaking of the Republicans, since when is treason an acceptable thing?

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Nov 25, 2012, at 6:33 PM

Interesting stuff ND.

Its sad that Republicans can only win election to any office by cheating.

Smear campaigns, voter fraud, restricting legitimate American voters from exercising their Constitutional right to have their vote counted, and of course, electronic voter fraud are the hallmarks of any Republican campaign for political office. Its the only way they can "win."

As if that was not bad enough, the Republicans continue their crazy tantrums when they lose, often committing sedition and threatening to commit treason against their own country.

The fact is the Republican Party is almost finished now. They know that the young people are avoiding their party and rejecting the teaparty fascist ideology -- a political ideology based entirely in racism.

Young folks want nothing to do with the teaparty/Republican party and the baby-boomers that comprise the bulk of crazies in the teaparty/Republican Party are dying off.

And there is not 1 thing they can do about it.

Cheating is the only way the teaparty/Republicans can win because they are nothing more than a small, quickly aging, dying political minority with an average IQ of 72.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Nov 25, 2012, at 1:55 PM

I know nothing of the site Cheesehead, but I also know that the Karl Roves of this world will stop at nothing to control everything.

I know little about such technology beyond the fact that cyber war is a fact of life.

Thanks for sharing.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Nov 24, 2012, at 8:14 PM

This is an interesting story as they claim Karl Rove and his buddies tried to steal votes in Ohio. I in no way know whether this group is credible or not, but if they have credible evidence I would hope there is an investigation.

Anonymous claims to have blocked Rove's attempt to steal Ohio by setting up some firewall in computers that record votes. This could explain Roves early dispute of the vote counting in Ohio.

Does anyone have any evidence of the credibilty of this group whether good or bad?

http://samuel-warde.com/2012/11/did-anon...

-- Posted by cheesehead on Sat, Nov 24, 2012, at 6:20 PM

"Ten Numbers The Rich Would Like To See Fudged"

It is enough to make your blood boil!

http://truth-out.org/buzzflash/commentar...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Nov 24, 2012, at 12:19 AM

And regarding the First Americans in New Mexico...well...they don't seem to feel they have gotten a fair shake.

"Watch: 'The disenfranchisment of Native Americans continues today"

with video

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/11/22/wa...

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Nov 23, 2012, at 10:35 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Is62Y7_U1...

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Nov 23, 2012, at 8:10 PM

I think the Late Senator from Virginia, Senator A. Willis Robertson put it best when he explained his position on desegregation of the public schools.

"Virginia recognizes the correctness of the 1850 decision of the Massachusetts Supreme Court and in the 155 subsequent decisions of State and Federal courts holding that the equal rights provision of a constitution could be properly satisfied by public schools for the white and colored races which are separate but equal.

During the last 10 years notable progress has been made in the Southern States is meeting that equality requirement. But that progress will be nullified by a program of rapid, enforced desegregation. In fact, public education for both races in some Southern States would be destroyed.

The worst feature of the current desegregation effort, however, is the resulting bitterness and racial animosities in areas where harmony heretofore prevailed. Southerners believe that the cherished constitutional right of every citizen to select his personal associates is being violated."

March 10, 1956, Christian Science Monitor

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Nov 23, 2012, at 7:47 PM

Jason1969

Exactly mate.

Just what business does that New York yankee have tryin' to tell white folks how they should treat their minorities?

He should worry about his state and other folks can worry about their states.

If we choose to use social mechanisms to to create an acceptable equilibrium of the races in our state, its none of Mathew's business. He doesn't live in Missouri. As long as we treat everyone equally based on the dominant cultural expectations of the majority, then of course all minorities will find themselves more than welcome in Missouri...as did many of their slave ancestors who were also more than welcome in Marshall.

Thank you for having the courage to stand your ground mate!

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Nov 23, 2012, at 3:16 PM

"Morsi decree triggers mass protests in Egypt"

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast...

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Nov 23, 2012, at 2:55 PM

Jason1969

Freedom often requires a continuing revolutionary process. This is not the first time the fascists have tried to circumvent a revolution by installing one of their own as dictator.

I predict that within 6 months Morsi is in a prison awaiting trial and/or execution.

The Will of the People is irresistible, and there is no power greater. No ruler can stand long when the masses oppose him.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Nov 23, 2012, at 1:58 PM

Pat Robertson is a nut job however he has freedoms that he should exercise..Also fox news on the hunger joke.. No worse than Chris Mathews looking for racism around every issue.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Fri, Nov 23, 2012, at 12:59 PM

For those of you who that the Arab spring was a great thing. Looks like Egypt replaced a secular dictator with an Islamic Dictator...Yep I see where this is going...

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Fri, Nov 23, 2012, at 12:57 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KLicLLZp...

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Nov 23, 2012, at 3:05 AM

"Jeep...tent...boom!

The television comedy, "Mash," character Henry Blake immediately after his tent exploded.

Excellent ND!!!

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Nov 23, 2012, at 2:41 AM

"Watch: 'The disenfranchisment of Native Americans continues today"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/11/22/wa...

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Nov 22, 2012, at 2:32 PM

Oklahoma Reader

Well he comes from a long line of crooks going all the way back to the Mayflower.

His daddy was a Senator from Virgina, an ultra conservative (dixicrat) who formed the "Conservative Coalition" which was comprised of the Southern Democrats in Congress and the Republicans in Congress...together.

Daddy Robertson was one of the signers of the "Southern Manifesto" which detailed the Southern Coalition's position on desegregation.

Apparently Daddy Robertson, or "Willy" as I like to call him, was not fond of the idea of Black Americans drinking from "white Folk's" drinking fountains (now referred to simply as "public water fountains).

Yeah, Pat's dad was a racist pig.

He was also very rich.

So was Pat.

Pat was born with a silver spoon in his mouth.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Nov 22, 2012, at 2:29 AM

Could be News that he is such a scoundrel that he had to go to an alias at an early age. Kinda like that Milton, or Mitt, or Willard, or whatever his real name is. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Nov 21, 2012, at 10:10 PM

LOL!

Check this out.

Pat Robertson's real name is "Marion Gorden Robertson"

There is no "Pat" anywhere in his name.

He can't even be honest enough to go make living under his real name.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Roberts...

What a jerk!!

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Nov 21, 2012, at 7:19 PM

Fox News host makes joke of hunger and poverty in America

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/11/21/fo...

Yeah those rich folks at Fox think your troubles are funny.

And why is it some folks watch Fox News?

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Nov 21, 2012, at 4:26 PM

"Study: Higher retail wages would lift Americans out of poverty, boost economy"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/11/21/st...

Uh oh!

Hannity isn't going to like that!

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Nov 21, 2012, at 10:43 AM

OKR,

I'm thinking Hannity in '16.

He could easily get the Republican nod.

In fact, I want to go ahead and jump on the "Hannity for Republican Presidential Candidate in '16" band-wagon now.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Nov 21, 2012, at 4:21 AM

Is Fox News finally failing? Has their B. S. bubble burst? Maddow beats Hannity in their head to head contest by 17% since the election. Fox slipping in other areas. http://www.alternet.org/rachel-maddow-be...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Nov 21, 2012, at 12:24 AM

The folowing link is to a very interesting dialogue concerning United States imperialism, and claims of exceptionalism. http://www.salon.com/2012/11/17/oliver_s...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Nov 21, 2012, at 12:04 AM

THE TEA PARTY CHALLENGE!

"Cory Booker challenges tea partier to live on food stamps for a week"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/11/20/co...

That President Book...ahem...I mean, that Mayor Booker sure is a smart fellow.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Nov 20, 2012, at 9:41 PM

That's a darn good point ND.

The 1%ers own and control the Red States and those rich folks don't want to see any tax dollars going to something they themselves would never use. Moreover, they could not care any less for the serfs -- their word for the common man/woman.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Nov 20, 2012, at 6:42 PM

Yup News on every front they are just a wreck waiting to happen.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Nov 20, 2012, at 2:31 PM

OKR,

That is an interesting phenomena.

In fact, I understand that even in the Red sections of Blue States, the rates of accidents tend to be higher.

I believe that is what the Rolling Stones must have been referring to when they wrote and performed the following song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyK1bZZ7E...

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Nov 20, 2012, at 2:17 PM

More evidence that folks in Red states don't make rational decisions. http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news/201...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Nov 20, 2012, at 10:48 AM

I've been wanting to take the time to blabber on about how the GOP has once again reversed course from the pre-election mantra "we want to unite America, reach compromise, and move the country forward" to the same old obstructionist rhetoric pouring forth now that the elections are over.

However, I think this fellow did a much better job than I could.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-will...

It was not referenced in this article, but I love how the 30 GOP governors, at their recent conference, came to the conclusion that the GOP platform and their ideology and ideas are all the right ones. They just lost so many seats in the House, and the presidential election, because their candidates "weren't conservative enough."

From a New York Times article, 'Jindal and other governors insisted that putting the party back on track does not mean betraying its traditional principles.

"In the face of the losses, we do have to make changes," Jindal said. "We need to modernize our party. We don't need to moderate our party."

Added Wisconsin's Scott Walker, who survived a recall effort earlier this year: "It's not that our beliefs are wrong. We're not doing an effective enough job articulating those beliefs."'

I tell you what, the neo-cons are cracking me up.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Tue, Nov 20, 2012, at 10:44 AM

Let's hear it for those 'job creating venture capitalists.'

Tell me again why it is that the exalted egomaniacs who have climbed to the top of our business world on the backs of workers and peers should be in charge of our government?

Alas, poor Hostess, we knew ye well.....

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/who-kil...

Another fine 21st Century American business story. A few rich folks got richer while Hostess was on the way down and 18,000 workers are set to lose their jobs. The company certainly hasn't gotten much for the $1.2 to 1.5 million a year it's been paying the CEO's, eh?

God Bless America.

And then there is Hobby Lobby. I realize that some folks are religious about their craft work, but according to U.S. District Judge Joe Heaton, that doesn't exempt the craft store chain from contraceptive care in it's health plan.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/20...

Apparently the fellers in charge at Hobby Lobby are claiming that theirs is a "biblically founded business". What's next? No taxes?

Amen, brother. I think my life is a non-profit as well.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Tue, Nov 20, 2012, at 7:52 AM

"Lindsey Graham to Romney: 'GOP is in a 'death spiral"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/11/18/li...

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Nov 19, 2012, at 1:21 PM

WOW!

Well written.

Incredible performance.

I had to share this one...absolutely.

(Warning, some adult language used)

"Wicked Games"

The Weeknd

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1OTWCd40...

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Nov 19, 2012, at 2:13 AM

Ahhhhh ND

Were on real time!

That is so cool!

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Nov 19, 2012, at 12:05 AM

"Florida Congressman Allen West still not conceding defeat in House race"

http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/201...

ROTFLMAO!!!

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Nov 19, 2012, at 12:04 AM

Jason, listen mate, every time you make a point, you turn out to be factually incorrect -- not that you would let a little thing like facts stop you.

May I recommend you stick with something you know...baseball perhaps or maybe grid-iron football...or hey, losing elections?

Now there is topic you Republicans are experts at.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Nov 18, 2012, at 11:51 PM

Jason.

We have real socialized medicine in Australia.

1) I picked my doc from the yellow pages and can change anytime I want by simply seeing a different doc.

2.) I have never waited more than 10 minutes to see my GP.

3.) There is no bill. There is no co-pay. There is no insurance needed and money is never discussed as it has no role in our medical care.

4.) Our State has a surplus treasury.

5.) Our economy is the number 1 economy in the World.

Personally, I don't care what you do, but for me...well I would never live in any country that did not have socialized medicine. Why would anyone want to?

Good luck with that failed system.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Nov 18, 2012, at 11:40 PM

Jason that is a lengthy right wing diatribe, and not you own work. I refuse to read it because that sort of thing is not the purpose this forum.

Sorry.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Nov 18, 2012, at 10:08 PM

"Communism never worked and they took the upper class out of their nation basically your all advocating a weaker version of socialism and that has never worked..."-Jason

No Jason, you have again missed the point by your usual mile. ;)

What we are advocating is the end to this Nouveau Gilded Age. It will end, make no mistake about that. If for no other reason it will end because these more recent Robber Barons by their unbridled greed will suck the economic life out of all of us. Then there will be nothing left to feed the greed monster. All hell will break loose.

What we are promoting is the concept that by reining them in we will avert a collapse of our society.

Practical examples of important things we wish to do is restore Glass-Steagle, and reverse Citizens United. In other words return things to the way they were in America's Golden Age. Now that's not so scary is it? It is also a rather modest, and moderate goal. Why do you oppose that? Don't you want things to be as they were when Joe, and Joan, if they worked hard could count on getting a real raise every year?

I have a challenge for you. Pick the time since 1940 when in your opinion, the most Americans believed they lived the good life. Then find what governmental economic regulations were in place at that time; what were the regulations on banking, and Wall Street, determine what were the federal income tax rates, what tariffs were in place, you get the picture.

Why would you choose to oppose the way things were done economically at the time you yourself choose was America at its best? It seems to me that if you are a true conservative, you would want to conserve the doing of things as they were when America was grand.

That is a lot to ponder, and it takes time for research, so I won't be looking for an answer in the next day, or two. So take some time, check it out, and get back to me. I think it is an exercise that you can profit from, and who knows, maybe I will too when I hear your results. :)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Nov 18, 2012, at 10:01 PM

I got this from Face book checked the first five and they were right so I am assuming the rest are...Yes I researched this in the Affordable health care act. f you read all 2750 pages of Obamacare, I guess you are aware of the following conditions:

* Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed!

* Page 30: A government committee will decide what treatments and benefits you get (and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process)

* Page 42: The "Health Choices Commissioner" will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice. None

* Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services.

* Page 58: Every person will be issued a National ID Healthcard.

* Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer.

* Page 65: Taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree and community organizer health plans (example: SEIU, UAW and ACORN)

* Page 84: All private healthcare plans must participate in the Healthcare Exchange (i.e., total government control of private plans)

* Page 91: Government mandates linguistic infrastructure for services; translation: illegal aliens

* Page 95: The Government will pay ACORN and Americorps to sign up individuals for Government-run Health Care plan.

* Page 102: Those eligible for Medicaid will be automatically enrolled: you have no choice in the matter.

* Page 124: No company can sue the government for price-fixing. No "judicial review" is permitted against the government monopoly. Put simply, private insurers will be crushed.

* Page 127: The AMA sold doctors out: the government will set wages.

* Page 145: An employer MUST auto-enroll employees into the government-run public plan. No alternatives.

* Page 126: Employers MUST pay healthcare bills for part-time employees AND their families.

* Page 149: Any employer with a payroll of $400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays an 8% tax on payroll

* Page 150: Any employer with a payroll of $250K-400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays a 2 to 6% tax on payroll

* Page 167: Any individual who doesnt' have acceptable healthcare (according to the government) will be taxed 2.5% of income.

* Page 170: Any NON-RESIDENT alien is exempt from individual taxes (Americans will pay for them).

* Page 195: Officers and employees of Government Healthcare Bureaucracy will have access to ALL American financial and personal records.

* Page 203: "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax." Yes, it really says that.

* Page 239: Bill will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors and the poor most affected."

OBAMA'S MARK OF THE BEAST

There's a pretty starling thing in the Obamacare Bill that 95% of Americans won't like.

The Obama Health care bill under Class II (Paragraph 1, Section B) specifically includes ''(ii) a class II device that is implantable." Then on page 1004 it describes what the term "data" means in paragraph 1, section B:

14 ''(B) In this paragraph, the term 'data' refers to in

15 formation respecting a device described in paragraph (1),

16 including claims data, patient survey data, standardized

17 analytic files that allow for the pooling and analysis of

18 data from disparate data environments, electronic health

19 records, and any other data deemed appropriate by the

20 Secretary"

What exactly is a class II device that is implantable?

Lets see...

Approved by the FDA, a class II implantable device is an "implantable radiofrequency transponder system for patient identification and health information." The purpose of a class II device is to collect data in medical patients such as "claims data, patient survey data, standardized analytic files that allow for the pooling and analysis of data from disparate data environments, electronic health records, and any other data deemed appropriate by the Secretary."

This sort of device would be implanted in the majority of people who opt to become covered by the public health care option. With the reform of the private insurance companies, who charge outrageous rates, many people will switch their coverage to a more affordable insurance plan. This means the number of people who choose the public option will increase. This also means the number of people chipped will be plentiful as well. The adults who choose to have a chip implanted are the lucky (yes, lucky) ones in this case.

CHILDREN'S HEALTH INSURANCE PROGRAM = CHIP

Children who are "born in the United States who at the time of birth are not otherwise covered under acceptable coverage" will be qualified and placed into the CHIP or Children's Health Insurance Program (what a convenient name). Children conceived by parents who are already covered under the public option will more than likely be implanted with a chip by the consent of the parent. Eventually everyone will be implanted with a chip. And with the price and coverage of the public option being so competitive with the private companies, the private company may not survive.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Sun, Nov 18, 2012, at 9:24 PM

Actually both Norway and Sweden have socialist economies. They also have the 2nd and 3rd best economies in the World.

Socialism can only flourish in a free and open society under a democratic form of government.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Nov 18, 2012, at 9:06 PM

Communism never worked and they took the upper class out of their nation basically your all advocating a weaker version of socialism and that has never worked...

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Sun, Nov 18, 2012, at 8:39 PM

OKR,

Well...heh...there you go again with that logic and reason stuff.

You should know by now those liberal, intellectual tricks don't work on true conservatives.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Nov 18, 2012, at 7:01 PM

Jason beyond being nothing more than right wing cant Rubio's comment makes no sense. He says, "we don't need to make rich people poorer", so how do you make people who are not poor poorer? To become poorer, you must start from being poor. Folks like Rubio are clueless in every way including grammatically. What you can do is make rich people richer, and that is what Rubio is all about. LOL

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Nov 18, 2012, at 4:14 PM

...and rich folks big talk won't put groceries on the table.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Nov 18, 2012, at 3:54 PM

Well Jason, if we want everyone to be rich, we will have to move to a democratic socialist economy.

Until then, poor folks should probably go ahead and get used to being poor and the middle class should probably get used to the idea that they will be joining the poor soon, because without socialism all We the People are going to get is the manure side of the stick and a lot of big talk from the puppets of the rich.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Nov 18, 2012, at 3:45 PM

It's not about making the poor richer or the rich poorer, it's about not letting the rich buy the system so that they may skew the laws in their financial favor. That Jason, is the problem.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Sun, Nov 18, 2012, at 3:27 PM

When you believe you it is all right to throw insults that sound of bigot of ignorance you show your true core values off on a different subject...... To turn this country around we don't need to make rich people poorer we need to make poor people richer - Senator Mark Rubio (Latino Republican)

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Sun, Nov 18, 2012, at 12:05 PM

"Former U.N. Iraq Weapons Inspection Team Leader Talks on WMD"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEZ_WCi2i...

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Nov 18, 2012, at 11:17 AM

How does that old saying go?

Let's see, I believe its,

"Hindsight is 20/20."

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Nov 18, 2012, at 10:26 AM

But I believe the vulgar name he called Sarah Palin was most accurate. So now what?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Sun, Nov 18, 2012, at 10:25 AM

SD,

He sounds like he's a day late and a dollar short to me.

The damage has already been done.

Where was he when Bush was lying us into war?

Maybe if he had spoken up and joined with the liberals already taking a stand for peace Bush could have been stopped.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Nov 18, 2012, at 10:24 AM

Jason1969

So say you.

And you haven't been right about anything yet.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Nov 18, 2012, at 9:31 AM

Bill Maher is a sexist who made fun a disabled child. And has called Sarah Palin a vulgar name now pay attention this is your idol now To me that is not Progressive but regressive.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Sun, Nov 18, 2012, at 8:55 AM

If I'm not mistaken, I believe Jason said Bush was wrong on Iraq.

I'll bet if News was a coach, he be inclined to run up the score in victory.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Sun, Nov 18, 2012, at 8:09 AM

Jason1969

Since when was lying America into a war a good thing?

Oh and hey, find those Iraqi nukes yet.

Bush was just another conservative moron who broke our laws and got away with it.

And mate, I hope the Iraqis refuse to sell the US even 1 drop of oil after the genocide Bush committed against the Iraqi non-combatant civilians -- over a million dead, 55% of them were women and children.

YANKEE GO HOME!!

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Nov 17, 2012, at 9:38 PM

Jason1969

I never said I was.

However, I did vote Governor Gary Johnson.

BTW, you know who Bill Maher is don't ya?

He's a way bigger progressive than me.

He's also a card-carrying Libertarian.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Maher

As for me, I am an independent voter.

Get used to it.

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Nov 17, 2012, at 9:31 PM

Newsacrooss you da man. First libertarian I met who is liberal.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Sat, Nov 17, 2012, at 9:23 PM

The country that the USA liberated has called on Arab states to use oil as a weapon against the USA....Ummm thought these dudes was going to be our friends Bush you had to do what you thought was right but you were wrong on Iraq. And Obama let me give you a hint the Arab states they hate us.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Sat, Nov 17, 2012, at 7:52 PM

Here's hoping we can put silly conspiracy theories behind us, and perhaps we can concentrate our National attention on finding workable solutions to real challenges that face our Nation today.

Discussions such as this debate are a healthy, productive way to address REAL, current issues.

"Watch: Cerebral debate on the merits of drug legalization"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/11/16/wa...

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Nov 17, 2012, at 6:38 PM

"DELPHI"

"President Obama is using a Cold War-era mind-control technique known as "Delphi" to coerce Americans into accepting his plan for a United Nations-run communist dictatorship in which suburbanites will be forcibly relocated to cities. That's according to a four-hour briefing delivered to Republican state senators at the Georgia state Capitol last month."

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012/11/...

Now THAT is one heck of a darn good piece of right-wing-wacko conspiracy there.

I hope the cons will stick with this one for awile.

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Nov 17, 2012, at 1:01 PM

Do you ladies and gentlemen have a favorite Republican conspiracy theory?

Yeah, there are a whole bunch of 'em to choose from and the list keeps getting bigger.

I like this one.

*Top Georgia GOP Lawmakers Host Briefing on Secret Obama Mind-Control Plot"

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012/11/...

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Nov 17, 2012, at 12:40 PM

Its no wonder folks are fleeing the Republican Party as fast as they can.

http://0.tqn.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/O/...

BEnGHAZI! BEnGHAZI! BEnGHAZI!

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Nov 17, 2012, at 12:15 PM

Hi Jason, How's things in the Republican comfort-bubble?

Ya know if cons want to get anywhere with their wild-eyed conspiracy theories, they are going to have to learn to be a heck of a lot more creative at it.

Pfffff, they can't even do that right....

Hey I have an idea!

Why don't the cons try dusting off their previous insano-conspiracy-theory and see if they can do something with that one again?

You know,

"Fast and Furious"

The one that completely collapsed under scrutiny and made con's look like some strange kind of moron version of conspiracy theorists?

You know just like the con's latest insano-conspiracy-theory.

BEnGHAZI! BEnGHAZI! BEnGHAZI!

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Nov 17, 2012, at 11:56 AM

Yup SD, nothing but remnants of the right to present pro to counter their con. I guess we can just split hairs among ourselves for diversity's sake. ;)

Wonder what happened to X-Ray? He could bring it at times. Could be that he is as disgusted with the Right's performance as so many others. I am pretty sure that the libertarian streak in him was not happy about some of the stuff the Right presented.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Nov 17, 2012, at 10:15 AM

I so look forward to 4 more years of these conversations.

Ugh.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Sat, Nov 17, 2012, at 9:54 AM

Lmao somebody in the White House took out any mention of Al Queada. Why because of the election think about Obama was saying the face of terror was on its death bed were safe they covered it up because of the election they lied to the people...Poor Ambassador Rice she is such a little girl lets defend her again democrats being sexist...If she can not put her big pants on she does not deserved Secretary of State.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Sat, Nov 17, 2012, at 9:19 AM

The thought occurs to me that seeing nought but evil, hearing nought but evil, then speaking nought but evil is the definition of Rush Limbaugh's broadcasts, and his listeners' responses. It also reminds of three very sick little monkeys. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Nov 16, 2012, at 11:56 PM

"Anderson Cooper rips Rohrabacher on Benghazi: You're factually not correct"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/11/16/an...

http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/video/wor...

Ignoring facts -- completely ignoring the facts, yeah...thats the ticket!!

Hey Jason I have good news for you!

The Republican bubble of comfort is back and better than ever!!

All anyone has to do to get into the comfort bubble is to click their heels together 3 times while repeating the magic word 3 times...and Boom!! its the Clinton impeachment all over again -- except that this time the Senate finds him guilty!

BENGHAZI! BENGHAZI! BENGHAZI!

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Nov 16, 2012, at 11:32 PM

"Hundreds of Irish women sought abortions in Britain in past three years"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/11/16/hu...

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Nov 16, 2012, at 8:04 PM

Oh, Jason,

I am really looking forward to spending 100% of my American Social Security in OZ (my wife will continue to receive it after I am gone for the rest of her life).

I plan to use it for pocket money on my permanent tourist days in Sydney.

The day before yesterday I took the Sydney Harbour Ferry to Darling Harbour and enjoyed an afternoon of Merlo wine, an incredible view of the ships on the Harbour, and great conversation with folks from all over the World.

http://www.businessanalystworld.com/imag...

http://bestplacevacation.com/wp-content/...

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3373/3297...

Life is good!

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Nov 16, 2012, at 7:17 PM

Jason1969

No prob about the Social Security/Medicare thing mate.

I will be collecting my American Social Security here in Australia in just a few short years, and I won't being paying for Medicare.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Nov 16, 2012, at 6:47 PM

Sorry meant 25% will to cover the increase in Medicare premiums.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Fri, Nov 16, 2012, at 6:44 PM

ATTENTION ALL RETIREES GETTING SOCIAL SECRUITY: You will be getting a COLA increase....Bad news we will be taking 255 back because we are increasing Medicare Premiums sorry Obama care didn't cover ya.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Fri, Nov 16, 2012, at 6:41 PM

Lmao this company's CEO's Grandson contributed to Obama and look what is happening to his company rofl....http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/16/medical-supply-giant-stryker-corp-makes-pre-emptive-strike-against-pending/?test=latestnews I do feel sorry for the employees that will loose their job to a tax increase...

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Fri, Nov 16, 2012, at 6:29 PM

"Appeals court finds Michigan affirmative action ban unconstitutional"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/11/16/ap...

Why is it the very people who claimed to want to "get back to the Constitution," the teapart-fascists, are the biggest proponents of unconstitutional laws?

Gee, maybe they are secretly opposed to the Constitution and against freedom and liberty.

That sure would explain a lot about those folks.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Nov 16, 2012, at 5:05 PM

Excellent point OKR,

Of course I don't know what good it would those poor rednecks to move to another country.

Poor is poor, no matter where they live.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Nov 16, 2012, at 4:47 PM

Actually I think that they should all move to the Cayman Islands. That is as close as they will ever get to the big money, and big money folks that they slavishly adore. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Nov 16, 2012, at 4:42 PM

Maybe it's time to start hurling back the insult that the ultra right has hurled at every one left of Attila the Hun for nearly fifty years.

America; love it, or leave it! There are a bunch of those fair weather fascists just itching to do it any way. I think we should urge them on their way. ;)

What a bunch of poor loser unpatriotic bumpkins!

Rotflmao.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Nov 16, 2012, at 4:37 PM

Yeh ND I feel the same way about Coburn. He is in two different one percenter camps. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Nov 16, 2012, at 4:29 PM

UH OH! TYPO ALERT.

In my previous comment, prior to my last comment, I said,

"Yes I certainly don't support going back to 18th-style economic policy."

It should have read,

"Yes I certainly don't support going back to 18th-CENTURY style economic policy."

Sorry for any confusion my error may have caused the reader.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Nov 16, 2012, at 2:18 PM

Why is it so many Republicans have called for their States to secede from the United States?

Is that how they show their love for our Nation?

Is treason love?

" Alabama secessionist blames government for closing topless car wash"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/11/16/al...

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Nov 16, 2012, at 2:10 PM

Jason1969

Yes I certainly don't support going back to 18th-style economic policy.

However, I felt that it entirely unlikely, nay, impossible, for a Libertarian President, a Republican President, or a Democrat President to completely undo our economic system and then remake it. Thus, that minor disagreement with that 1 small thing was not enough to dissuade me from supporting Governor Johnson.

Fortunately, though I don't agree with the Libertarians on all the issues, I certainly found we agree on most of the issues.

In fact, so much so that I cast my vote for Governor Johnson.

So, Jason, what is it you don't understand about "I voted for Gary Johnson"?

What part of "I cast my vote for Gary Johnson" don't you comprehend, mate?

Btw, I am an independent voter. I vote for the candidate -- not the Party. I do not hold membership to any party.

My preferred candidate lost.

So I have done the right thing and recognized that President Obama now has a mandate from the People.

Perhaps you should get over the fact that your candidate lost, stop playing partisan politics, put aside your conservative bias, and start supporting America instead.

...or maybe you just hate America.

Maybe that is your real problem...eh mate?

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Nov 16, 2012, at 1:44 PM

The Obama admin said it was "terrorism" in plenty of time to influence the election. It didn't. Game, set , match. Let's move on to important things and leave these silly semantics behind. The GOP is full of children that have absolutely no interest in the governance of our country, only temper tantrums and breath holding.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, Nov 16, 2012, at 11:09 AM

Republican Senator Tom Coburn, arch conservative of Oklahoma, proposes defense cuts. http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/201...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Nov 16, 2012, at 10:01 AM

And as far as President Obama defending Ambassador Rice it was kind of silly and sexist, she has no business being an Ambassador if she can not speak up for herself.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Fri, Nov 16, 2012, at 9:08 AM

They knew about his affair for a few months and they held this over his head .....until after the election. Chicago style politics. A source close to ex-CIA Director David Petraeus tells Fox News that he is expected to tell Congress he believed the Libya attack was terrorism within the first 24 hours -- and that he suspected an Al Qaeda affiliate was behind it, a version that conflicts with his earlier statement and those of the Obama administration. Obama is a Washington insider and knows how to play the game well. Republicans need to learn this tactic.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Fri, Nov 16, 2012, at 9:07 AM

Anyone who still holds out hope that our leaders will do the responsible thing and avoid the fiscal cliff in January didn't get much solace from Washington Democratic Senator Patty Murray. She told ABC's "This Week" that if Republicans won't agree to tax hikes on high earners, then maybe we should just let America go over the fiscal cliff. Let tax rates leap for everyone, then come back next year and negotiate new rates. We have to assume she's willing to do it: as a member of the congressional "supercommittee" that failed to come up with a deficit reduction plan, she does have a history of doing nothing to avert a crisis. And here's more good news for American taxpayers: Sen. Murray is likely to become the next chairwoman of the Senate Budget Committee. That would really worry me, if I thought there was any chance at all of the Senate ever writing a budget. This is from the status of Mike Huckabee Facebook Good day mate.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Fri, Nov 16, 2012, at 8:40 AM

Listen to this your a Democrat...A Libertarian basically believes in really small government they say but out of my life I do not need the government to wipe my but. You advocate liberal ideas mate.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Fri, Nov 16, 2012, at 8:35 AM

Religion poisons politics (actually everything, but for this blog Politics will do). It is the religious right that cost the GOP the election because of social conservatism. There is enough of them to cause their leaders to put their outrageous anti-human rights demands into their platform (because their holy book told them the way). However, the backlash was strong enough to stop them from gaining power and moving us back to the 50's. It wasn't overwhelming, but the result indicates that the push continues for individual freedoms... the freedom for a woman to do what she wants with her body, the freedom for consenting adults to partner with who they choose, the freedom to not have a religion influence our education system, and the freedom to even smoke weed if you want to. Most of us can buy into a degree of fiscal conservatism, but when it comes to social conservatism, please leave the rest of us alone. And since you didn't get your way, now you want to secede from the union or dream up some way to impeach the person who soundly beat who you wanted to be President. If the GOP wants to watch what goes on in other peoples bedrooms, they should be more careful with who they sleep with.

-- Posted by RationalThinker on Fri, Nov 16, 2012, at 3:22 AM

As to your question Jason, I refuse to address loaded questions. They are not allowed in the rules of debate and such questions lack legitimacy.

I don't know why you think I should address any of your questions, actually. After all, its not my job to teach you anything.

Anyway, when will you stop your sour grapes and your conservative bias and start supporting our President and respect his mandate?

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Nov 16, 2012, at 2:20 AM

Jasob,

If you want to learn about the Libertarian Party, I recommend you have a look at their website.

http://www.lp.org/platform

I particularly like their foreign policy and their position on civil liberties.

That's 2 of the reasons I supported Governor Johnson for the office of President.

When comparing Johnson to Romney, it was immediately clear Johnson was honest and has integrity. Romney lost points right away for his tendency to lie. Republicans -- and especially Romney -- could not be trusted. In addition, the Republicans had no workable plans of any kind. Gary Johnson did have a workable plan.

Obama had a wrkable plan, is honest, and a man of integrity, but I felt like he lost points in the civil rights category and his foreign policy is to quick to jump to war. So he lost points on foreign policy.

In the end, Gary Johnson had the most points and was the best candidate of the bunch.

My candidate lost and the election is over.

The People have spoken.

Now its time to put my candidate's loss behind, and its time to support our President.

Frankly, the way the Republicans are behaving is pretty childish and definitely not good for our Nation. They will never, ever gain my support as long as they continue their anti-American behavior, stop their racism, stop acting like crazy NAZIs, and offer us at least some political candidates with an IQ above 3.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Nov 16, 2012, at 2:10 AM

I'm thinkin' r that your back is gonna be real sore if you stay curled up in that post election fetal ball. Come on back ole buddy, I know you've got something outrageous, or preposterous to say that will rile up all of us pinko subversive lefties. :)

I don't listen myself of course, but I gotta ask you, do all the excuses, and sputtering sound more like static than talk these days on Rush's show?

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Nov 16, 2012, at 12:57 AM

Another Republican Congressman who is a lying hypocrite. Anti-abortion all the way except when it comes to his wife, or mistresses. Good grief.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/15...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Nov 16, 2012, at 12:49 AM

And if your libertarian can you define it please "mate"

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Thu, Nov 15, 2012, at 11:44 PM

Notice you didn't answer my last question why?

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Thu, Nov 15, 2012, at 11:42 PM

Jason1969

I voted Libertarian mate.

I am not and never have been a Democrat.

Nice try, but no cigar.

Mine is an unbiased view based on facts.

Yours is a view influenced completely by conservative bias.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Nov 15, 2012, at 11:20 PM

Btw if this happen on Bush's watch you all we be on him lie maggots on roadkill.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Thu, Nov 15, 2012, at 10:40 PM

What is funny how people are so blindly loyal to their political party they can't open their eyes when the President is a liar when it concerns Benghazi.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Thu, Nov 15, 2012, at 10:39 PM

Tongue in cheek News, tongue in cheek. Do I really feel sorry for them? Yes, because they can't help themselves. The wrong part of their brain is big, and a nutherin' is too little. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Nov 15, 2012, at 8:29 PM

OKR,

I don't feel 1 bit sorry for the Republicons.

Not 1 little bit.

After the terrible, anti-American things the Republicons have done to our Nation, they are very, very lucky we haven't rolled the Guillotines into action...yet.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Nov 15, 2012, at 7:15 PM

Jason, r, and others, some of whom peek, but don't post should heed the information gathered from exit polls by your very own RNC (Regressive National Committee).

Your guys found that voters by "53% to 38% blame Bush for the state of the economy instead of Obama". It looks like you guys are the only ones with Bush amnesia. Stay in denial, don't own up, and say how you are different now, please. Keep listening to Rush, Fox, and the rest. We need folks like you to be marginalized so that we can get on with the nation's business. http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/...

Oh, by the way, in the report your boys prepared you may find some other things that you don't want to see. Tell you what, don't bother going to the link. I prefer that you stay in the dark, partly because I feel sorry for you, and know that is the place where you are most comfortable. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Nov 15, 2012, at 6:42 PM

Jason, I am just going to blunt.

The Republicons could not care less about

BENGHAZI! BENGHAZI! BENGHAZI!

The only thing the Republicons care about is attacking Obama for anything they think they can.

Its all about politics.

and nothing more.

But I can promise them that if they don't get their act together, stop making wild accusations about our President, and start cooperating with our President, the Republicons will be removed from the House of Reps -- permanently -- by We the People in less than 2 short years.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Nov 15, 2012, at 6:01 PM

"Georgia lawmakers meet over Obama's 'mind-control' UN dictatorship plot"

Includes video.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/11/15/ge...

Lol...some of those folks there in Georgia aren't very bright.

ROTFLMAO at the cons!!!!!

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Nov 15, 2012, at 2:37 PM

Jason,

If you had any idea why and how the Republicans lost those all-important, traditionally rock-solid Republican districts in Ohio and Florida, you would know the Republicans will be in deep manure if they don't cooperate with the Dems this Congressional term.

Its a new day mate and if necessary, We the People will use the same strategy to take enough of those traditionally Republican districts in 2 years to give the House back to the Dems.

Its that simple mate.

Evolve or become extinct.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Nov 15, 2012, at 2:20 PM

Jason: "Fact is that the Commander Chief forgot about how 9-11 is a holy day to Islamic radicals"; that is absolute rot Jason.

Holy Days are not proclaimed by fringe radicals, they are proclaimed by the entire clerical body of a religion based on its sacred history. In Muslim religion it is the Koran, in Christian religion it is the Bible.

What you said is as ridiculous as if I said that Eric Robert Rudolph's birthday is a holy day for many Tea Party members.

In each case it may cause joy, and celebration, but a holy day? I think not!

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Nov 15, 2012, at 1:38 PM

So now the story is that Benghazi is Obama's fault because he couldn't predict the future?

Sheesh.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Thu, Nov 15, 2012, at 12:57 PM

No Jason,

No one thinks Obama can do no wrong but that doesn't mean there is a grand conspiracy no matter how bad you want there to be one.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Thu, Nov 15, 2012, at 12:34 PM

If the the President has free reign to do anything he wants then what is the use of having congress.The President has to answer to people and the people are represented by Congress now if this was Bush you all would feel different. Fact is that the Commander Chief forgot about how 9-11 is a holy day to Islamic radicals and we should of protected our people and we as a people have a right to ask why they were not protected. Problem is that people out there think Obama can do no wrong and with this attitude America is going to die a slow painful death.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Thu, Nov 15, 2012, at 12:21 PM

Jason,

You are stretching for a conspiracy. If you have to be outraged about something, why don't you start with the 85 or so people who will be killed today and everyday by gun violence right here at home. While your at it you can be outraged at the staggering billions of dollars that gun violence costs us every year. You wanna be outraged? start with that.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Thu, Nov 15, 2012, at 11:41 AM

Go Nanadot, your on a roll! Hi by the way! Its been awhile.

-- Posted by Jo on Thu, Nov 15, 2012, at 8:35 AM

There has too be a way to keep these Senators & Congressman away from the News Media,if they have a disagreement with the President! All of this is crap too second guess the Commander in Chief! These people should,(especially McCain and Graham!) Retire They are Voted in too many times and they think they are significant in all decision made,even over the head of the President! Their just too old to serve anymore.Term Limit for all! That my Rant for the day!

-- Posted by Jo on Thu, Nov 15, 2012, at 8:31 AM

So it's 10 days or so since the election and we already get to see that Republican obstructionism is alive and well in congress.

"McCain says he will do "whatever is necessary" to block Rice if she's nominated to become the next secretary of state. Republican Sen. Lindsay Graham of South Carolina echoed that sentiment."

Let's hear it for our Republican politicians who just can't stand being irrelevant and need to manufacture controversy where there is none.

http://www.npr.org/2012/11/14/165154303/...

Are these guys just so dumb that they really believe all the pre-election hype regarding the attacks on our embassy in Benghazi, Libya, is something other than a case of initial mis-information regarding who was responsible that was overblown for political gain? Why are we still talking about this when we actually have other more important things to do?

Yes, we were obviously unprepared for a coordinated Al-Qaeda attack on the ambassador. No, there was no attempt to cover up what happened. If you ask folks in the diplomatic corps and they will say that those assignments in Muslim countries are dangerous. Everyone knows that. Security could always be better, no matter how much you try, there will be attacks against the US presence in the middle east by radical religious fundamentalist groups.

So where is the story here? It appears to me to be nothing but an attempt to score political points from a tragedy for the families of Ambassador Stevens and those who died with him.

How is it we don't ignite a national controversy over those coffins bringing our soldiers home from the battle fields of the middle east? I'll tell you why, there is not political points to gain for the next election.

Once again, I find the behavior of some of our finest neo-con politicians boorish at best. If Mr. McCain wishes to beef up security at our embassy's, then I suggest he stop voting against it. What a bunch of hypocrites.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Thu, Nov 15, 2012, at 7:49 AM

Well, I may not agree with Ron Paul on everything, but I must admit that the man makes some very valid points.

Following is a link to an article that attempts to summarize Mr. Paul's final address to congress.

Like I said, he raises some very valid questions and points out many things no one wants to talk about. We need more congressmen like him, not less.

Of course, I am not so sure I am ready for a Ron Paul congressional majority, but folks like him are good for our democracy. We need more politicians who will uncover the ugly political stuff we like to sweep under the rug.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arch...

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Thu, Nov 15, 2012, at 7:30 AM

Jason,

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's all well and good.

So now that you are finished, let me get you and every con out there straightened out.

Its time for a reality check.

Minorities -- the same minorities the cons have been kicking around for 500 years in America, now compromise 50% of the population from my People, The Shawnee and all our indigenous brothers and sisters, to the Blacks, to the Hispanics, to the Asians, and the American woman, we are a power to be reckoned with.

Its a new day mate.

No more nicy nice. No more compromises.

The Republicans had best get their act together...right now.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Nov 15, 2012, at 2:34 AM

Mcain and Graham are not the leaders of our country therefore what they advocate for security doesn't matter what matters is the state departments handling of security and Obama's orders on security of our embassies. He is the Commander in Chief.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Thu, Nov 15, 2012, at 12:54 AM

Btw WMDS in Iraq at the time was a shared belief between dems and republicans it was faulty intelligence.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Thu, Nov 15, 2012, at 12:52 AM

Well if she has the same info as the CIA and they knew from the start that this was a terrorist attack , then basically they lied to protect the President during the campaign to protect the image that Al Queda is not a threat if they would of told the truth from the start the election may have been in favor for Romney...So basically they had a circle the wagons mentality of protection our President same as with the CIA Director why was POTUS not informed of this earlier its been going on for 6 months this investigation and the FBI knew there was an afair this could of endangered our country because it could of been used as a blackmail to the CIA Director. Now the General was a great military leader and he made a mistake it should not reflect what he has done for the country but he did the right thing by stepping down.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Thu, Nov 15, 2012, at 12:50 AM

Evenin' ND :)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Nov 15, 2012, at 12:29 AM

You say of your President "running like a coward" regarding the story the Far Right clings to desperately, having lost their security blanket election day. You really believe that don't you?

You know I think it may be fruitless to have a discussion with you, so I won't say any more.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Nov 15, 2012, at 12:28 AM

Why send the Ambassador out in front of the media when she was not in the loop about Benghazi? Because she would play well as a victim of attack from the media. Thus allowing Obama to hide....It looks great when he is defending a lady who had no inside info on Benghazi makes him look like a hero while he is running like a coward...This is a great political tactic but very obvious.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Wed, Nov 14, 2012, at 9:05 PM

Thanks News for the link to the Intelligence Surveillance story,(Fisa Law) Like i said before with the Supreme Court we have, and the Paranoia we see, we'll see how that go's?(The fox watching the Chicken House!) Thanks my friend! i CAN lEARN A LOT FROM YOU!

-- Posted by Jo on Wed, Nov 14, 2012, at 3:58 PM

Jo,

I think ya have a point there mate.

And check this out.

"Inside Story Americas - Obama: Under surveillance"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKh1euc-v...

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Nov 14, 2012, at 2:54 PM

It doesn't matter who is in power! If they can think of anything to screw the People and benefit their own self, they will! That's what we don't need! Like i said before, J. Hoover had the Power to keep these Politician in line, to a Point,but even Hoover could use his power for his own benefit,that's why they changed thing in that their favor, too keep their own a-- safe.Its only Common Sense you have to have something to keep any Orginistion in line.And what would that be,is the question? The nazi's watch each other! Prosecutions with real Penalties could be the answer!

-- Posted by Jo on Wed, Nov 14, 2012, at 12:02 PM

I can't say you're wrong SD. Actually to some degree what I wrote was an exercise in wishful thinking. Of course we old folks often harken back to the good old days. I am pragmatic enough to know that the good old days weren't always so good, and that time seldom allows a duplication of past circumstance. Excepting of course in the case of war. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Nov 14, 2012, at 10:07 AM

I doubt very much that conservatism is dead. They still control the House of Representatives.

Also, in our capitalist system, there will always be rich folks. Whether they got there by hard work, or by accident, or by inheritance, whatever, they will always attempt to stack the deck in favor of money and power. Therefore you will always have politics involving money, and fiscal conservatism will always have appeal to segments of society.

Since conservatives can't sell the merit of their proposals to working class voters, as they generally have no merit for workers, there will always be the ploy of using social, ideological issues to sway voters. That isn't going away either. Pandering to Christians, or gun owners, or pet owners, or vegetarians, or NASCAR fans, or white males, or any of a host of other "demographic sub-groups" will always exist in politics.

Additionally, political science being what it is, there will always be one side or the other trying to convince voters that the government is evil. Just depends on which side is currently in power as to who thinks you should fear government, and what aspects of government they want you to fear also depends on who sits on the throne.

So I wouldn't be espousing the end of conservatism in America just yet. Don't underestimate the amount of money industry and finance are willing to throw toward efforts at political influence.

Where there is demand for political influence among rich and powerful folks with plenty of cash, there will be a supply of politicians and political scientists willing to take that money off their hands to promote whatever ideology the money man desires.

After all, just think of the economic stimulus just provided to printing companies, telemarketers, statisticians, video production companies, tv and radio networks and stations, magazines, newspapers, and Karl Rove by these same folks and their desire to gain political influence.

Don't think of it as politics, think of it as a way to get the Koch brothers to let go of some of that money they're stockpiling so it can trickle down to us common folk.

Like my great-grandfather said, "If you need money, find somebody that has some and figure out how to get it from them." Sounds like Rove, Nordquist, and all the other perpetual political "staffers" heard that lesson as well.

Oh, and I don't think you can, or should, charge someone with treason because they are working against tax increases. Not that I support Grover, I just think the way to control him is with informed voters (as just happened), not jail.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Wed, Nov 14, 2012, at 8:37 AM

Moderates, and liberals should pause in their gloating, and celebrating the demise of conservatism.

First of all it may be that the election results do not signal the death of conservatism, but instead the rebirth of true conservatism, which we should all welcome.

Perhaps now Republican moderates can throw off the bindings applied by the neofascist right wing of their party, and move back to center right which is their traditional place in the established political scheme.

They have likely learned that it does not further their personal political aspirations to shift far right to win a primary, then lose a general election awash in more moderate voters. It is too great a reach to attempt to scramble back toward the center after winning a primary by staking out far right positions. It leaves them, no matter how adroitly they make the attempt, stained by the appearance that they lack firm values, and will say anything to get elected.

It is better that they stay in their natural camp, especially in open primary states, where they may attract independent voters, and in some cases even Democratic voters, to offset their loss of far right votes. Those far right votes will be split among several neofascists anyway.

I hope that is what transpires, for if not the Republican Party is nothing more than a marginalized curiosity, incapable of supplying the necessary balance that allows Congress to do its work in a traditional manner.

Even worse for those citizens of a liberal persuasion is that the absence of a functional center right Republican Party allows, the Democratic Party to drift center right, themselves filling that void. A strong traditional Republican Party will force the Democratic Party back to its traditional center left perch. Then we can begin to get done, the things that must be done, as we always did get them done.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Nov 14, 2012, at 12:00 AM

Is there anyone who will answer (what i stated as a question)On the Norquist Pledge! Couldn't a Prosecution be tried! I'll give it too the Rep.,they could come up with something! This Republican Brand has to go ? And News, i can't agree about this Traitor remark you made! When there is several Traitor running loose right now! And the only one that came close too being charged was Carl Rove!This is why i can't love this Country anymore! And i did my time during the Korean Conflict,Something i wouldn't do again, and am not proud of even now! It was as silly a reason too be there as Vietnam! All the Brave men that died are my Hero's that i respect,not the Warmongering Politicians that put us there!

-- Posted by Jo on Tue, Nov 13, 2012, at 10:13 PM

TerryM

The auctioneer is only responsible for paying taxes on his own, personal gross income. That would be that amount that is due him as his fee and only that portion of the revenues he is entitled to would be added to his personal gross income.

The consignment shop owner is not the owner of the item being sold. He is acting as a broker and is only responsible for paying tax on the broker fees he receives as a broker fee. Only that portion would belong to him.

Also, even with a flat-tax, there will still be plenty of accountants and tax specialists around to help folks adjust to the changes.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Nov 13, 2012, at 4:28 PM

News, I'm not speaking in favor of a value-added tax or any other gross-based tax. As to how to game the gross-receipts tax - what is a gross receipt? Look at an auctioneer. Will he be taxed on the sale price of everything he sells at an auction? You'll say no because he's not the 'seller,' he's just hired by the seller to find the buyer.

So we look at a consignment resale shop. The shop owner doesn't own the stuff in it because it's all on consignment from the owners of the various items. Will the shop owner be taxed on the selling price of everything sold? The auctioneer isn't, why should she? She doesn't own any inventory either. If she gets taxed, why shouldn't the auctioneer get taxed?

If the resale shop owner doesn't get taxed, pretty soon EVERY shop is a consignment retail shop. Groceries are just taking in food on consignment. So is everyone else that isn't 'producing' a product out of separate component parts.

So we end up with a value-added tax. And yes, I agree that a VAT is regressive, which is why I don't favor it.

-- Posted by TerryM on Tue, Nov 13, 2012, at 2:27 PM

"When Dummies Double Down on a Dying Demographic"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfVaxPdK9...

Oh this is funny!

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Nov 13, 2012, at 1:57 PM

OH and for the record GB,

Teaparty = Dixicrat

Changing names don't fool the People nearly as much as cons erroneously seem to believe.

The names change, but their game is the same.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Nov 13, 2012, at 1:36 PM

Well Ted Kaczynski says in his manifestos that he hates liberals and the left.

Its pretty easy to believe he meant it since most, if not all, of his victims were liberals.

I don't know what party he adhered to, but he certainly leaves no doubt that he hates liberals and the left.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Nov 13, 2012, at 1:23 PM

"The Dummies The Day After"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQjTZwEAD...

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Nov 13, 2012, at 1:17 PM

Was Kazinski a dixiecrat ??? or a Tea Partier?

-- Posted by gentle ben on Tue, Nov 13, 2012, at 1:12 PM

In other words - you could never admit to being wrong about anything so you will not accept the fact that I do not fit your mold.

Sad.

It must be lonely up there.

-- Posted by gentle ben on Tue, Nov 13, 2012, at 1:10 PM

"Why Dummies Want to Forget the Tea Party Ancestry"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiaI63pBm...

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Nov 13, 2012, at 1:10 PM

gentle ben

ROTFLMAO!!!

Every tearpartier-dixicrat I have known claims the same nonsense.

I don't buy into their claims mate and I am not buying into yours either.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Nov 13, 2012, at 1:05 PM

You are still missing the point - that is - I do not ALWAYS vote one way or another. I do, however, vote for issues or candidates.

-- Posted by gentle ben on Tue, Nov 13, 2012, at 12:50 PM

GB,

I have no doubt you are the Dixiecrat you describe yourself to be.

And like all the other dixicrats, you went Republican in 1980 and you've been voting that way ever since.

Now the Dixicrats call themselves teaparty. The name changes every now and then, but they are always conservatives no matter what they call themselves, and their positions on the issues -- which are identical to those you advocate in your comments -- have not changed.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Nov 13, 2012, at 12:47 PM

Sorry - ballot "boxes"

-- Posted by gentle ben on Tue, Nov 13, 2012, at 12:26 PM

news - Like I said - you would be surprised (and frankly, so would I) if you had a clue about how I vote. And my first election wasn't the year Reagan was elected. In fact - at a tender young age (barely a teen) I walked the streets of my hometown handing out campaign buttons to try to get everyone to vote for the Democratic candidate. Didn't work and I was devastated.

Just as I have been suspecting - you DON'T know everything.

And what about those ballot bozes?

-- Posted by gentle ben on Tue, Nov 13, 2012, at 12:25 PM

Oh and GB,

There are 2 possible outcomes regarding our state and federal governments: Centralized Government (strong federal government) or Decentralized Government (strong state government).

You have made it very clear you do not support centralized government. That leaves only decentralized government.

Oh and this issue has already been settled -- the Civil War concluded the matter.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Nov 13, 2012, at 12:12 PM

gentle ben

Oh yeah, I've read your comments.

I would happily bet my last dollar you have been voting Republican since you first cast your vote for Ronald Ray-Gun back in '80.

I don't need to see empirical evidence to figure that out. I only have to read your comments.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Nov 13, 2012, at 12:04 PM

news -

Nope - not at all - I don't care for big government. In fact - don't like it at all.

As me voting "consistently" for anyone or anything or any party, I'd say unless you've been breaking into ballot boxes lately (which, of course, is a federal offense) then you have no blasted clue as to how I vote. In fact - though you seem to know everything - you may be extremely surprised if you knew. I'd say you're guessing - and guesses, as you know, are not based on empirical evidence.

-- Posted by gentle ben on Tue, Nov 13, 2012, at 11:49 AM

"Jindal to Republicans: 'Stop being the stupid party'"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/11/13/ji...

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/111...

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Nov 13, 2012, at 11:44 AM

Oh and for those would-be traitors out there, you may want to take note that state secession from the union of states is prohibited by our Constitution.

Once a State of the USA, always a state of the USA.

Texas v. White () 100 U.S. 1

http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/hi...

Sedition (the calling for armed conflict upon the United States) is a very serious federal crime.

Treason is a very serious federal crime.

And We the People of the United States insist the United States Army, Air Force, Navy, and Marines protect the integrity of our borders from all enemies, including traitors, and that the federal government enforce our Constitution and our laws.

Seditionists and traitors will be dealt with accordingly.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Nov 13, 2012, at 11:20 AM

gentle ben

So ya say ya like Big State Government eh mate?

No thanks!

How ironic that you consistently vote for the party that established strong central government in the USA to begin with.

Anyway, the Civil War is over. The traitors lost. The United States won.

Get used to it.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Nov 13, 2012, at 11:03 AM

One of the duties of the federal government is to protect the Constitutional rights of its citizens. When some jerk, or group of jerks decide a segment of the population can't do what the rest of the citizenry does the federal government protects those folks rights. Then the squawking from said jerks is a non-ending litany of woe about how their rights have been abridged. The jerks believe they have the right to abridge others rights. Go figure. Stupid is as stupid does. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Nov 13, 2012, at 10:50 AM

"A bill sponsored by state Sen. Brian Nieves, a Washington Republican, would have amended the Missouri constitution to prohibit state government from "recognizing, enforcing, or acting in furtherance of any federal action that exceeds the powers delegated to the federal government.""

"According to the bill, the prohibition would have covered a host of topics, from gun restrictions to legalized abortion to the recognition of same-sex unions, among others."

http://www.kansascity.com/2012/11/13/

OK - can someone please tell me what's wrong with less federal control on the state level? And less federal government in general?

Surely I must be missing something that - in the eyes of some - makes those who would like to see a smaller federal government traitors, or even evil ...

-- Posted by gentle ben on Tue, Nov 13, 2012, at 10:20 AM

Anyone seen Smokin Cheetah lately? His posts were always thought provoking.

-- Posted by gentle ben on Tue, Nov 13, 2012, at 10:02 AM

Well, it looks like some of our fellow Missourians are working to verify the opinion of many folks that we are a bunch of Luddite hicks out here in the Midwest.

Do the super-neo-cons really think that secession is a good idea? Do they really think it will work? Do they so love war that they think another civil war in America is desirable?

http://www.kansascity.com/2012/11/13/391...

Sheesh, I reckon it's about time to dust off the old saying and apply it in a new direction.

"America, love it or leave it."

If you folks that signed this petition hate America in the 21st century so much, why stay here?

Oh, wait, you can't find a more right-wing facist country to go to that isn't run by Islamic radicals. What a dilema, eh?

The ego of neo-cons doesn't allow them to accept the fact that they are rapidly becoming an unpopular minority in America. I say good deal.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Tue, Nov 13, 2012, at 8:41 AM

Oklahoma Reader

Price Elasticity of Demand is a natural mechanism of Micro Economics.

It has no feelings and it has no opinions.

It does not care if the company makes a profit or loses everything.

It occurs largely in deflationary Macro Economic conditions where other natural economic mechanisms, specifically Perfect Competition and availability of Substitutes exist.

Simply put, it means in the short term (1 year or less) there is a natural price limit, and in the long-run it places a natural price limit on all goods and services, beyond which any price increase results in a reduction of units sold and resulting in reduced earnings relative to the previous quarter.

Here is a simple illustration.

AAA Widgets is a major producer of widgets. Currently AAA is operating in a deflationary economy.

The current price of a widget is $10 and last year AAA produced and sold 1 million widgets at the $10 price resulting in gross revenues of $10 million.

LAW OF DEMAND: Demand and price have a direct relationship. The higher the Price, the less the Quantity demanded, ceteras paribus (all other things remaining the same).

Demand Curve for Widgets:

Price/Quantity Demanded: $1/100 million widgets, $2/90 mil units, $3/80 mil units, $4/60 mil units, $5/50 mil units, $6/20 mil units, $7/10 mil units, $8/5 mil units, $9/2 mil, $10/1 mil units, $11/200 thousand units.

If supplier's cost to produce 1 widget increases to $1 per widget, and they raise their price $1 from $10 per widget to $11 per widget, their total sales will be $11 x 200,000 widgets = gross revenue of $2,200,00.

If they maintain their current price of $10 per widget and absorb the additional cost and not pass it on to the consumer, their gross revenue will be 1 million unit x $10 = $10 mil, and less the additional cost per unit of $1, $9 x 1 mil units = a net of $9 mil. $9 mil is far greater than the 2,200,000 at the $11 price.

Sure, AAA would love to get that extra $1 per unit, but Elasticity of Demand places a limit upon the price increase because consumers immediately respond by severely decreasing Quantity Demanded at the marginal price increase.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Nov 13, 2012, at 2:23 AM

Grab bag. :)

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/11/11...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Nov 12, 2012, at 11:56 PM

News how is the price increase that you speak of connected to business dumping med care cost? A price increase to whom? Consumers because they will pay more in taxes for the medical care, than they are paying for medical insurance now? Educate me mate, I didn't get it.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Nov 12, 2012, at 11:54 PM

"Robert Reich: Republicans pledged to Norquist, not the American people"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/11/12/ro...

We need politicians who pledge their allegiance to the American People and to the United States Constitution.

We do not need or desire politicians who pledge their allegiance to some imagined King.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Nov 12, 2012, at 11:25 PM

OKR,

Because they know what a price increase in the midst of deflationary pressures will mean in terms of Price Elasticity of Demand.

No CEO wants to have to be the one to report lower quarterly earnings to the stockholders.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Nov 12, 2012, at 11:05 PM

I wonder why businesses haven't jumped all over the opportunity, via medicare for all, to dump the cost of health care on to the tax payers?

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Nov 12, 2012, at 10:58 PM

They have the Peoples Names that signed this Pledge,so why can't they be Prosecuted for un-American Activities? Or i'm sure some of these big time Attorneys in the system could think of some other Charges? If that isn't un-American!What is? But with all the Laws Bush & Company broke, this is small time i guess! They will do nothing unless the People demand it! This is suppose to be a Country of Laws,not just for the People,but for the People who make the Laws! And yes i agree , there is NO reason we can't have the same Health Care as Australia!If Obama don't start flexing some Muscle,he's no better than the rest, and i voted for him! Ive always felt the entire System & the way things get done, has to be Changed

-- Posted by Jo on Mon, Nov 12, 2012, at 10:16 PM

news,

Its unfortunate the right wingers put politics over country when it comes to health care. I just wish polictians and the people would take a closer look at the issue of Universal care and look at the benefits to our economy, pocketbooks, and health care.

-- Posted by cheesehead on Mon, Nov 12, 2012, at 6:33 PM

Ya know, in fact, having experienced both years of socialized medicine and years of the American Root, Hog, or Die Medical system, I cannot understand why anyone in their right mind would prefer the American approach.

It makes no sense at all.

After all, if we have tax-dollars for killing, we have tax dollars for healing.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Nov 12, 2012, at 6:33 PM

CH,

We have socialized medicine in Australia and we love it!

I picked my doctor from the yellow pages, and I can change doctors anytime I want. Also I can get all the 2nd opinions I want.

I have never waited to see my doctor more than 10 minute, and the longest it has taken to see a specialist was the 2 days I waited from the time I called my specialist to make the appointment and the appointment date. And that was just a routine exam.

My taxes here are about the same as I paid on a similar income in the USA.

When I go see any doctor, there is no co-pay, no deductible, and no insurance needed. Money is never discussed nor is it needed. There is no bill.

Best of all, it didn't bankrupt the treasury and Australia still has the World's best economy.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Nov 12, 2012, at 6:14 PM

My question to the right wingers:

If you say Obamacare is gonna kill jobs why not support some type of unviversal health care or single payer health care reform?

Many employers would save thousands if citizens could pay for their healthcare in the form of taxes. If would had a single payer non-profit insurance system this would cause a decrease in the cost of health care and eliminate the need to pay a middle man(for profit insurance companies).

This would save employers and employees millions and probably billions of dollars. This could provide a boost to the economy, but we would still have to deal with the amount of public debt. The people who make over 250,000 a year could easily afford to go back to the Clinton era tax brackets.

A single payer healthcare system would also prevent many people from filing for bankruptcy due to medical bills. We would once again have the world's biggest and fastest growing economy. This is something that every American should be considering and we could make it happen with more public support.

-- Posted by cheesehead on Mon, Nov 12, 2012, at 4:58 PM

Yes Jason, the list bellow are just a handful of the con values we have seen first hand.

The cons actions speak much louder than their words.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Nov 12, 2012, at 1:53 PM

Let's recall the values cons forced on us the last time the Republicans held power.

Multiple violations of the Constitution, specifically the Following Articles and Amendments: Article 2, Amendments 1, 4, 5, 8, and 14.

Torturing Prisoners

Suspending habeas corpus

Lying

Misappropriation of funds

Attacking and invading 3rd World nations that lack the capacity to be a military threat to the USA.

Outing CIA agents and endangering their lives

Genocide

Murder

and last but not least, racism

Of course this is just a partial list of the con values.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Nov 12, 2012, at 1:51 PM

TerryM

There are 2 big problems with value added tax (sales tax). First, sales tax is regressive. The poorer you are the more tax you pay as a percentage of your income. Sale taxes are unequal and unfair to the poor. Secondly, such a tax, in order to be effective and cover the costs of government, would mean a price increase of 35% or more of all goods and services across the board. The immediate effects would include flattened consumption and a collapsed economy.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Nov 12, 2012, at 1:36 PM

I'm thinking that you folks on the hard right have been riding through a desert on a horse named Tea Party. As you wandered in circles through that desert you were constantly exposed to mirages that you believed real. It is over. Now you must rub the sand from your eyes, and find something real to quench your thirst.

The following song is dedicated to you with the hope that it gives you inspiration on your necessary quest for reality. ;) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2naehMUQp...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Nov 12, 2012, at 1:23 PM

TerryM

I believe in keeping it simple.

Everyone gets taxed equally under my proposal.

The formula is simple:

X%tax x Gross Revenues = tax due.

No deductions, no adjustments, no write offs.

So where is the opportunity for evasion?

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Nov 12, 2012, at 1:23 PM

News, you mentioned on Saturday that you were in favor of a flat tax on gross receipts. I don't think that will work under our current economic and regulatory systems. It's too wide-open to being gamed.

Here's the easy way - agency. Every retailer will become the 'agent' of each of its suppliers, never taking title to the goods it sells. It only collects a commission on the sale - what we now refer to as the gross profit. In effect, the gross receipts tax becomes a value-added tax for those smart enough to play the game, and a business-busting load on those who don't. And the biggest players in the game? The wholesaler.

A value-added tax might work, but not a gross receipts tax. Just my uneducated opinion, of course.

-- Posted by TerryM on Mon, Nov 12, 2012, at 1:12 PM

Jason,

Conservative should relate to your party's views on economy and governmental control of money.

Somewhere along the way; abortion, gun control and religion got mixed in.

I come from a long line of Democrats and find your remarks objectionable.

My family has social workers, preachers, people with old time values in it and every one of us is employed. Some even own small businesses.

How does that sit with your views on Democrats? Can you explain how people who are honest, God fearing and employed are not GOP based?

I can. We hold that everyone deserves a chance, and that people of all color and backgrounds are entitled to getting opportunities.

You often talk about your child having some problems. You are a good and supportive dad. What if your child had been born to a black, single mother in the inner city. Is he now a freeloader; unworthy of some intervention to improve his life?

-- Posted by Interested Too on Mon, Nov 12, 2012, at 10:06 AM

And your immature taunts reflect on your politic ideology all most child like.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Mon, Nov 12, 2012, at 8:56 AM

Democrat party should have a different name The Anti Founding Fathers Part or The Islamic Socialist Part oh and here is another The So left They Are Neigbors to China party.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Mon, Nov 12, 2012, at 8:54 AM

Your ignorance over conservative values really shows news...

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Mon, Nov 12, 2012, at 8:51 AM

OK, this comment is for our conservative Teaparty buddies only.

You libs should just skip this comment.

OK teapartiers, listen up!!

I know a lot of you are rather unhappy your reality bubble burst and now you find out the Black guy is still "occupying" the WHITE house.

That is intolerable for you folks and I am here to help.

I recommend you leave the Republican Party and form your own party. Yep, leave those Northern Bankers to a much smaller Republican party and form your own true-conservatives party.

However, you need a party name that truly reflects your party's "values." You need something catchy, something that will stick in folks' minds. I have a few suggestions for some catchy names for your new party..

1) The "Nationalist Capitalist Worker's Party (the NCWP)

2) The "Conservative League of American Nationalists" (the CLAN)

3. The "Confederacy" (The CONS)

Feel free to discuss,

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Nov 12, 2012, at 1:57 AM

Hey r,

...the election...

...what happened to your boys the Republicans there huh?

OK, so what's the plan now? Become even more conservative? Again?

ROTFLMAO!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8tuTSi6S...

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Nov 12, 2012, at 12:30 AM

CH,

Thats awfully Republican of them to allow heathen scientists who are Americans to remain Americans.

Yes sir, that is mighty Republican of them!

ROTFLMAO!!!

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Nov 12, 2012, at 12:18 AM

A trenchant, and hilarious send up of Romney, and the white male establishment by Maureen Dowd from the Sunday Times. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/11/opinio...

Oh yeah, there is a word in it with which I was unfamiliar, "gallimaufry". To save many of you the trouble of looking it up it means a hodgepodge, a jumble of various things or people.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Nov 12, 2012, at 12:14 AM

Food for thought; Political Racism in The Age of Obama http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/11/opinio...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Nov 11, 2012, at 11:52 PM

Good stuff CH, thanks. Here's another from the same Dude for those who want a click of the mouse to be immediately followed by cause for laughter.

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/bo...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Nov 11, 2012, at 8:19 PM

Republicans Consider Welcoming People Who Believe in Math and Science.

"Just because we don't believe in those things doesn't mean we can't get along with people who do," he said. "We want to send this message: math and science Americans are Americans, too."

Read more: http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/bo...

-- Posted by cheesehead on Sun, Nov 11, 2012, at 7:50 PM

Yep, many times OKR,

A racist opinion is no less racist just because its an opinion.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Nov 11, 2012, at 4:01 PM

Why is it that most racists when called on their remarks, always deny they are racist, even when challenged about the most blatantly racist statements? Here is a typical example: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/09...

The typical rationalization, as in this illustration is, "I'm not racist, I am just expressing my opinion". That justification in itself indicates that such individuals can not think logically. It verifies that they do not even conceive that an opinion may be racist, that in their wacky minds you get a Kings X when it comes to judgement of your opinions. They can not ever "get it" that though they are entitled to their opinion, others are entitled to judge it. Thus they fly into rages, and/or denial when others exercise their right. They are outraged that someone dare to call them racist.

I have seen such behavior on this blog. Have you?

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Nov 11, 2012, at 3:55 PM

Socialized Medicine, its the intelligent choice!

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Nov 11, 2012, at 1:27 PM

Jason1969

Yeah like I said, the American "Root, Hog, or Die" health-care access system, the Worlds most backward system, sure hasn't improved much.

Just think, if you ever catch up with the rest of the civilized World and finally enact socialized medicine, corporations won't have to worry about Obama Care, or the gazillions of American bankruptcies due to medical bill, or the thousands of needless deaths from lack of medical-care access.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Nov 11, 2012, at 12:59 PM

I guess my point is if these bigger companies are doing it then the smaller ones going to do it to. They are going to cut to get the most out of their money...Its only logic when you know you can escape obama care cost by going to part time employees or reducing your employees then as an owner you are going to naturally find a way to make it more economically friendly towards you.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Sun, Nov 11, 2012, at 7:03 AM

Jason1969

ND's comment is an interesting consumer economic reaction to a potential price increase to the products of those corporations you cited -- a concept we call "Price Elasticity of Demand."

Price Elasticity of Demand refers to the response of consumers to price increases.

If a good or service is Price Elastic over the short run, which pizzas are by the way, then a marginal price increase will drive down demand for that good or service resulting in decreased aggregate revenue.

In addition to the effect of Price Elasticity of Demand, there are other economic price control mechanisms at work which also make marginal price increases unattractive including Economic Substitutes, Economic Condiments, and last but not least, Perfect Competition.

I don't know who advised them to increase their price, but he/she clearly was not thinking about the likely effect it will ultimately have on Pappa Johns bottom line.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Nov 11, 2012, at 2:28 AM

"Texas GOP official: state should secede from 'maggots' who reelected Obama"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/11/10/te...

Apparently, this fellow forgot what happened the last time some folks in Texas thought treason was a good idea.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Nov 11, 2012, at 1:16 AM

Jason1969

Yeah, the traditional American medical-access approach -- the "Root, Hog, or Die" approach -- hasn't improved much.

I sure am glad I live in a 21st Century nation where I am able to enjoy socialized medicine.

The rest of you have my deepest sympathy.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Nov 11, 2012, at 12:55 AM

I see a lot of companies are making plans for the affordable healthcare act. Its all bad they are shifting to part time workers that means 29 hours or less, because after 30 hours they are required to provide health care. Papa Johns is going to do a slight increase in pizza costs and move people down to part time. And there are others.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Sat, Nov 10, 2012, at 10:30 PM

Oh, this is funny!

"Barack Obama vs Mitt Romney. Epic Rap Battles Of History"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dX_1B0w7H...

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Nov 10, 2012, at 3:01 PM

I ran across this video with a clip fom CNN.

It really seems to put the spotlight on the biggest problem our Nation faces...ignorance.

Its also rather entertaining...lol.

"Tea Party Leader Destroyed"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngGy97rq_...

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Nov 10, 2012, at 2:06 PM

In my previous comment below I say,

"(resulting in city/county public services, such as trash removal)"

it should read as,

"((resulting in CUTS TO city/county public services, such as trash removal)

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Nov 10, 2012, at 1:17 PM

OKR,

Your analysis is spot on mate.

In fact, that is exactly what Reagan did.

He slashed the tax rates of the richest 1% and then shifted the tax burden to the states and cities. He cut national tax-sharing with the states, cut federal assistance to cities (resulting in city/county public services, such as trash removal), and he closed middle class tax deductions.

And that is exactly what the Republicans want to do now.

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Nov 10, 2012, at 1:13 PM

Here is another point. When the federal budget is cut the average Joe should not for even a minute think it is in the long run coming back to his wallet.

Among the first things that get slashed are things that help our states, and cities make necessary repairs to infrastructure, to assist with costly services to the mentally ill, to help maintain, and to furnish equipment to police departments, and a myriad of other necessary things.

Note that I said necessary things. Thus the cities, and states must fund them. The result is higher city, and state sales tax rates, higher state income tax rates, higher property taxes, and higher fees for car tags, driver's licenses, hunting licenses, building permits, and anything else we need to do, or enjoy doing; among other things sort of a tax on pleasure, and domestic bliss. ;)

Paying for national, and local maintenance has been, since the long ago rise of the middle class, the burden assumed by the middle class. There ain't no break for John and Mary Doe, they just are occasionally directed to a different pay station. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Nov 10, 2012, at 12:35 PM

Personally,

I prefer a flat tax as long as

1.) there is only 1 tax form for individuals and corporations, and the tax rate is the same for all individuals and corporations.

2.) Everyone pays the flat tax on their gross revenues -- no deductions, no exemptions. Individuals and corporations pay the same exact tax rate based entirely on their gross, annual revenues.

Its simpler, its fair, and it would force everyone who earns any money at all to pay their fair share of taxes.

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Nov 10, 2012, at 12:33 PM

Jason1969

1.) A tax return represents that amount of tax paid less the amount of the tax liability. Its the return of excess tax collected above the amount of tax they actually incurred.

2.) all Federal taxes are Federal tax -- including payroll tax such as Social Security and Medicare tax.

3.) as a percentage of income, the poorer you are, the more tax you pay. For example, if you pay 15% of your income in Federal income tax, 7% in payroll tax, 5% in State Income tax, and the sales tax is 8% then your real direct-tax liability would be 15 + 7 + 5 + 8 = 35%.

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Nov 10, 2012, at 11:32 AM

I am not advocating lowering the tax rates but I am advocating everybody paying a fair share eliminate the tax loop holes eliminate the tax credits, if you are getting a tax return you are not paying fed taxes you are just paying payroll taxes...I say when you do that then you have to right to ask others to pay more.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Sat, Nov 10, 2012, at 10:12 AM

You wouldn't even begin to think that he was a neocon J69 if you had known the top federal income tax rate was 91% when John Kennedy said that. :)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Nov 9, 2012, at 11:44 PM

Jason1969

President Kennedy did the correct thing given the state of the economy at that time.

And the Economy was not in a deflationary state.

Our economy is under severe deflationary pressures and has been so since at least 2007.

The Federal Spending Multiplier is far greater than the Tax Multiplier.

Tax cuts are great when the economy slows a little. In fact, that is a great way to improve a slowing economy that is not under deflationary pressure. Its a useful tool of Monetary Policy under the appropriate conditions, but when an economy dives deep into a deflationary period, only the Federal Spending Multiplier has the strength to pull an economy out of a deflationary state, through recovery, and into a growing economy.

So says the math. So says the empirical evidence.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Nov 9, 2012, at 11:31 PM

If I didn't know better you think JFK was a neo con "Our tax system still siphons out of the private economy too large a share of personal and business purchasing power and reduces the incentive for risk, investment and effort -- thereby aborting our recoveries and stifling our national growth rate."

-- John F. Kennedy, Jan. 24, 1963, message to Congress on tax reduction and reform, House Doc. 43, 88th Congress, 1st Session.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Fri, Nov 9, 2012, at 10:03 PM

Whats that Gal?

I voted for Gary Johnson.

not Obama.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Nov 9, 2012, at 7:48 PM

Gal,

I guess you cons forgot about us on the left warning con Republicans and con Democrats (like Obama) that Bush's, and later Obama's, borrowing to pay for 2 wars (and later expanded to 4 wars) was not going to eliminate the cost.

That just pushed the cost of paying for the war to some future point.

That time has arrived and frankly, to get those war loans paid back, everyone's taxes are eventually going to go up.

That's why folks used to think real hard and very carefully about going to war before they would commit to it.

But not you cons, eh mate? You rushed in without a care about what it was going to cost.

War is real, real expensive.

But you folks who were waving flags and saying "get 'em Bush," didn't seem to think much about the cost.

And the few cons who did at least consider the long-term cost were telling everyone it would cost only a billion going into Iraq, and then told us Iraqi oil would pay for it all.

So you cons collectively, lead by Bush, borrowed and spent on war as if it was going out of style.

Now its time to pay for it.

And you want to complain.

Pay your taxes.

Enjoy your wars, 'cause you sure are going to be paying for them for a very long time.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Nov 9, 2012, at 7:47 PM

Well my math must have been right or I am sure you would have pointed it out!

I guess we all see the side of honorable you fall on!

You have a wonderful weekend and I hope your grandson is doing well.

-- Posted by Gal66 on Fri, Nov 9, 2012, at 7:39 PM

Gal66

Actually, our financial independence was a result of employment benefits.

I think you need to start paying your taxes.

The free ride is over.

Those wars you love don't come cheap.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Nov 9, 2012, at 7:04 PM

News posted "Gal66

$250?

Let's see...divided by 365 days a year = 68 cents.

I spend more than that at Mackers.

Pay your taxes -- those wars you love aren't cheap!

"

If you could only comprehend what I posted.....

I said $250 a month please pay attention!

Thats $3500 for the average tax payer in 2013

I get that by (3500/26)*2 = 269.23 and I averaged down to $250

Like I said $250 a MONTH is a lot of money to me.

But I guess it's not to you since you are financially set for life.

Man it sure seem's capitalism worked for you or someone in your family.

One more thing I would like you to show me the post I said I love wars please, and if you can't an honorable man would retract that!

-- Posted by Gal66 on Fri, Nov 9, 2012, at 6:56 PM

"JetBlue pilot who had midair meltdown ordered released from prison"

"On a March 27 flight from New York City to Las Vegas, Osbon began running through the aisles of the plane screaming about Iraq, Iran and al-Qaida, yelling, "We're not going to Vegas" and "You'd better start praying now!" An FBI report says the first officer on the flight managed to lock Osbon out of the cabin while passengers subdued him and another pilot made the decision to land in Amarillo."

http://www.nbcnews.com/travel/jetblue-pi...

Definitely a Republican...lol.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Nov 9, 2012, at 4:39 PM

Let me help ya out mate:

Fiscal Spending Multiplier = 1/(1-mpc)

mpc = marginal propensity to consume

Tax Multiplier = 1/ [{1- mpc* (1-t)}+ mpm]

t = the incomne tax rate

mpm = the marginal propensity to import.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Nov 9, 2012, at 4:13 PM

r,

After your mathematically (and empirically) incorrect statement regarding the Federal Spending Multiplier, I can't help but think perhaps Nate is speaking to you.

"Nate Silver: 'Math does not need to be intimidating"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/11/09/na...

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Nov 9, 2012, at 4:02 PM

"Hispanics to Obama: We helped you, now you help us"

"With the election behind them, Hispanics now want Obama and Congress to work on issues identified in surveys as their priorities -- more jobs, affordable health care, access to higher education and immigration reform."

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/...

And by "immigration reform" they DO NOT mean a fence (concrete wall) running along the American/Mexican border...lol.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Nov 9, 2012, at 3:52 PM

Whats wrong with you cons?

The election is over.

President Obama won...again.

The majority has spoken.

Its time to get behind the President and let him do the job We the People re-elected him to do.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Nov 9, 2012, at 3:13 PM

r,

"Government Multiplier?"

What's that?

And regarding the con whining...

You lost.

Again.

Get used to it.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Nov 9, 2012, at 2:54 PM

Gal you are missing a degree in economics that makes you lose all common sense, think that theory reflects reality and that spending a dollar can magically turn into 2 or 3. Shazaam! LOL

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Fri, Nov 9, 2012, at 2:52 PM

News we are not behind the PSC 100%, if we were he would have gotten 100% of the vote. We don't need more taxes on anyone period we need across the board spending cuts that is the only solution. Your pie in the sky government multiplier does not work and never has and if you believe that well I'm sorry.

What about the people affected by Sandy now? They are begging for someone to help. They are not getting any and if they are it is very, very slow. There was a sign on FEMA's door that they were closed because of weather. I thing it is worse response then Katrina but the bleeding hearst libs don't care because of the man in charge can do no wrong. You really can't see that? I mean you seem to be an intelligent person. PSC will fail in his second term exponentially worse then the first one. Don't doubt me. I seen it coming 4+ years ago and our PSC has done nothing to change it.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Fri, Nov 9, 2012, at 2:48 PM

Gal66

$250?

Let's see...divided by 365 days a year = 68 cents.

I spend more than that at Mackers.

Pay your taxes -- those wars you love aren't cheap!

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Nov 9, 2012, at 2:36 PM

Jason,

I actually agree with a small part of your statement. I think Sandy did hurt Mitt a bit, as he lost some important coverage. However, I think it just made people who were a bit unsure about Obama a little more secure. I don't think it made anyone stand outside for 6 to 8 hours to vote though.

Those people were committed already.

For everyone else...this fabricated 'Fiscal Cliff' should show us all if we have any chance at a dialogue, or if we are going to have 2 more years of nonsense.

I hope that Obama can close some loopholes in the tax code, and that Republicans will go along with that.

My other hope is that Obama can see that many Republicans are truly concerned about the tax on the rich; insofar that it has to do with business owners who may have a large gross income, but very little net income. Maybe there is some wiggle room in the taxing of the rich in those instances.

Anyway, it seems possible for some compromise, and I truly hope they can do it.

-- Posted by Interested Too on Fri, Nov 9, 2012, at 2:30 PM

News you posted the other day "Gal66, Unless you are rich with an income of $200,000.00 a year, you get zero direct benefits from the Bush tax cuts."

This is from the last link you posted.

"The tax increases would raise the average tax burden by almost $3,500 per taxpayer in 2013, according to According to the Tax Policy Center. This would happen because the current income tax rates and some tax breaks are scheduled to expire or shrink on Dec. 31. Among them, the popular middle-class tax break, a $1,000-per-child tax credit for each child age 17 and younger, would be cut in half.

In addition, starting on Jan. 1, the Affordable Care Act imposes a $20 billion tax increase on people with incomes above $200,000, or $250,000 for joint filers. Adding to the tax increase, a temporary reduction in the Social Security payroll tax is set to expire at year end."

Thats over $250 for me a month how does that effect me?

What am I missing?

-- Posted by Gal66 on Fri, Nov 9, 2012, at 2:22 PM

"Obama sticks to guns on tax increase for wealthiest Americans"

http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/201...

Mr. President, We the People are behind you 100%!

Its a new day in America.

The days of Republican molly-coddling of rich scumbags are over!!

We the People say its time to make the rich pay their fair share of taxes.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Nov 9, 2012, at 1:54 PM

Hey Jason, don't look now mate but, uh, it looks like you slipped into that bubble again.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Nov 9, 2012, at 1:18 PM

ND,

Lol...if they think we have a President in Australia -- they are demonstrating some serious con ignorance.

2nd, if they think either our Head of Government or our Head of State are male, they get extra stupidity points -- and they get double stupidity points for not realizing our Head of State is Queen Elizabeth II.

Finally, they can come to OZ to visit as tourists and can stay for up to 3 months spending money in Australia. They cannot work here. They cannot have a bank account here. They must bring travelers insurance -- they will receive no financial assistance or coverage under our socialized medical system.

Australia is an independent, sovereign nation with its own laws, its own Government, and its own way of doing things. We have rules about immigration here -- very specific rules -- and if the cons think they can just come on down and stay and live in Australia, bypassing our immigration laws and process, they will find themselves in deep trouble.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Nov 9, 2012, at 1:15 PM

Jason,

You obviously didnt get the memo that Fox news lied to its viewers, yet you are still spewing out the viewpoints that you hear on Fox. The truth is that everyone knew Obama was going to win reelection, but to the contrary Fox news spilled hope and lies to its right wing viewers.

Jason save yourself and your party by turning off Fox and actually go searching for answers in the form of factual data.

-- Posted by cheesehead on Fri, Nov 9, 2012, at 12:09 PM

Mornin' ND. :)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Nov 9, 2012, at 11:00 AM

G66 you are right, the same goes for those folks, and to be honest I didn't even watch the video at your link, just read the stuff.

I have long mulled the thought that maybe we would be better off if folks had to earn a civics certificate to vote, and maybe even get paid for successful completion.

The problem of course would be how to implement it in a fair, and equal manner. To me there is something grand about the concept of a citizenry marching down the aisle to proudly receive their certificates allowing them to become a real decider in the future of our nation.

I am, conditioned to believe in the protestant work ethic that something earned is of more value to each of us than something given.

Yea I know, as Sara Palin might say it, I am going all utopian on you. :)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Nov 9, 2012, at 10:58 AM

OKR posted this statement "It would be funny if it was not so tragic, and dangerous." about a video he found.

OKR I understand that some of the Romney supporters are way out there on the right hell I would say even some are idiots.

If the people in that video are typical Romney supporters then are the people in this clip typical Obama supporters?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prtKw0y2W...

If they are then "It would be funny if it was not so tragic, and dangerous."

-- Posted by Gal66 on Fri, Nov 9, 2012, at 8:23 AM

OK the election in my opinion was won because Obama had run so much attack adds while Romney was still in the primary race of his life. These attack ads were not answered for 3 months. Democrats were able to key in on him and label him. They even got to say he was basically a murderer. He was labeled by the dems and not by himself another reason is that Romney played it safe after the first debate he should of been more aggressive after that and when Sandy hit he should of been more out there keeping himself in the news everybody forgot about him and conentrated on Sandy.. And images of Governor CHristie hugging Obama and him saying how great Obama did not help this erased one of the key arguements that Obama was not willing to compromise. Image is everything and that hurt us.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Fri, Nov 9, 2012, at 5:54 AM

Actually OKR, I can only do that once in awhile.

My wife had an accident some few years ago that caused her a disability that requires me to remain at home most the time to assist with those things she cannot do.

But there are days once in awhile when I do have a tourist day out, and yeah, I do give generously to the good folks on the street who are experiencing hard times.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Nov 9, 2012, at 12:46 AM

ND do you think that maybe if the fiscal conservatives in congress can summons the guts to form an alliance with the Democrats we could get some of the people's business done? To say it another way is it even possible that they will fall on their swords, and commit political suicide for the good of their country?

I wonder if it would help to seal that pragmatic grand bargain if the powers of the Democratic Party would agree to forego stiff resistance to such individuals in their next election cycle, and even encourage Democrats to vote for them in open primary states?

LOL, look how desperate things are, but then desperate times call for desperate actions. Things are going to explode one way or the tuther.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Nov 9, 2012, at 12:37 AM

Gosh News it sounds like you get to do each day the same things that the panhandlers can if they run into a few guys like you so they may have a bite, a beer, and a bus ride. Now that takes egalitarianism to a new extreme. ;)

I'll say this J69 if the Repubniks had followed your strategies instead of the ones their best minds came up with it would have at the least been a closer election. Kinda scary huh that those are the best minds they have. Also kinda scary what those best minds would have done if elected. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Nov 9, 2012, at 12:13 AM

Before we leave this election behind here is a selection of typical Romney supporters explaining why they voted for Romney, or at least trying to explain. It is also informative to hear their reasons why they won't vote for Obama. Check out the video.

You won't hear anything except an occasional snarl from these folks for another four years. Then they will arise once again to lurch like zombies toward the polling station to cast their vote based on vague reasons that they can not express. They only know they must.

It would be funny if it was not so tragic, and dangerous. http://www.ostroyreport.com/2012/11/the-...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Nov 8, 2012, at 11:57 PM

Part 2: my difficult job.

The Ferry to Manly.

It costs about 6 bucks for a round trip.

The Harbour ferries go to all the suburbs that are located anywhere on the Harbor. Each is absolutely stunning. They are our premier suburbs.

My favorite is a place called Manly.

http://www.manly.nsw.gov.au/IgnitionSuit...

http://publocation.com.au/sites/publocat...

http://www.century21.com.au/photos/160/n...

http://fiftytwoweeksinsydney.com/wp-cont...

http://www.rent-a-home.com.au/common/uti...

http://www.rent-a-home.com.au/common/uti...

http://i2.au.reastatic.net/800x600/85092...

I like to sit across from the beach and the South Pacific Ocean in Manly at the local pubs and restaurants and have a beer and a snack and enjoy the breeze coming off the ocean.

http://wac.3e65.edgecastcdn.net/803E65/s...

http://www.rent-a-home.com.au/common/uti...

http://ribsandrumps.com/wp-content/uploa...

http://archive.homehound.com.au/images/E...

http://www.surfingatlas.com/media/Pictur...

Usually by about 5 or 6 PM I am ready to head back home.

On a side note the, one of the things I learned NOT to do when I do get home from my hard day's work is to walk into the house and holler "Where's my dinner woman?!" Apparently its a cultural no-no in Australia. So, now I usually just stop some place on the way home.

Its very hard work being a Permanent Tourist in OZ, but as I said somebody has to do it...lol.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Nov 8, 2012, at 10:12 PM

Romney lost and its not big deal here is why nothing will get done the democrats and republicans would have to bend a little and that is not going to happen.. What must the Republicans do to rebound. Then need concentrate on the boardroom and not the bedroom. According to the bible each person has a free will let them answer him and not the republicans. 2 I think they should re think the war on drugs still out law the big ones cocaine, exctasy, meth etc. But move towards more of a treatment to the problem instead of hard punishment... They need to not concentrate so much on abortion again its a personal decision and no matter how much we explain that it should be the states who decides this not the feds women will still think we are for taking their right away. We need to practice a more libertarian view. Gay marriage rather its a personal choice or born this way we need to stay out of it again they have to answer to their god it is their personal relationship. On immigration we need to still be against illegal immigration but realize that is not right to make grandma go back home give them a residency card let them contribute with their taxes, increase legal immigration to 2 or 3 million a year instead of the 1 million ceiling streamline the immigration process...More than anything except the election result and in 4 years we can run on blame it on Obama.. But seriously the demographics have change and we need to recognize it. Also Obama care is the law of the land we can not change it now but we can tweak it to make it run better and to address the concerns we have.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Thu, Nov 8, 2012, at 9:49 PM

OH you guys think your jobs are difficult?

Just look at what is involved in my typical tourist-day out.

First, I have to get up early, around 7:30 AM so I can be ready to go to "work" by 9 or 10 AM.

Then I have to walk 1/4 of a block to catch the bus to the train station. The ride takes another 10 minutes.

Then I usually have to wait 10 to 15 minutes for the train. From there its a 30 minute ride on the train reading the paper before I arrive at the Sydney CBD (Central Business district).

http://resources1.news.com.au/images/201...

http://www.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/image...

http://www.themotorreport.com.au/content...

Once I am down in the CBD, I usually get breakfast at one of the zillions of restaurants in Sydney, preferably an outdoor cafe with a view of the Harbour.

http://www.hoosta.com/wp-content/uploads...

http://www.bestrestaurants.com.au/images...

http://www.honeyandginger.com.au/images/...

After breakfast, I usually walk around the CBD giving money to the pan-handlers...'cause they are hungry too.

http://simongorges.com/wp-content/upload...

Then usually around lunchtime I like to stop at a pub for a steak and a beer. If I am down at the CBD then I usually go over to Scuffy Murphey's and watch the people walk by while I suck down a few pints of Guinness Stout.

http://www.scruffymurphys.com.au/bar.htm

http://cache.virtualtourist.com/15/17545...

http://cache.virtualtourist.com/15/13319...

Then I am just about ready to walk over to Central Quay and enjoy the Sydney Opra House, walk through the Sydney Botanical Gardens, ans/or catch a ferry over to Manly Beach, my favorite beach.

http://www.nswholidays.com.au/locationph...

http://photos.igougo.com/images/p90252-S...

http://www.hotelsaccommodation.com.au/Sy...

http://www.starscientificfoundation.com/...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/co...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/co...

http://www.charliesbirdblog.com/~charlie...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/co...

End of Part 1.

Stay tuned for part 2

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Nov 8, 2012, at 8:17 PM

Retired gb. My career was in the insurance industry (claims). I did a lot of investigations, fraud, fire, and accidents mostly. I at times was in management, also handled only litigation files, and was a company liason with attorneys for several companies that I worked for. Owned my own one man business the last five years before retirement, doing complex investigations for various insurance companies, and Avis Rent-A-Car.

Oh yea, and I am largely self-educated.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Nov 8, 2012, at 6:09 PM

LOL Galaxy66 that is not how I pictured you. Just for grins I saw you as a guy that works hard every day, around six feet, maybe even a bit lanky, with thinning hair, who (obviously) likes to tinker with classic cars in his spare time, and have a beer, or two as he does it. :)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Nov 8, 2012, at 5:56 PM

OKR posted "Back to you r, care to share what you see in the mirror?

I'll take a stab at you, don't take offense if I am way off. Gonna say about 5' 8' to 5' 10', well fed, a big head (physically), and a florid complexion. If you smoke at all it is cigars."

You may or may not have be right about r but you just about nailed me......LOL

6' 0" very very well fed, a big head (physically 7-7/8 hat size), and a florid complexion. If I smoke at all it is cigars I have a real like for the ISOM.

-- Posted by Gal66 on Thu, Nov 8, 2012, at 3:43 PM

news - What can I - some folks have all the luck - or - in your case - some folks made all the right decisions early on. Congrats!

-- Posted by gentle ben on Thu, Nov 8, 2012, at 2:34 PM

GB,

It says "Economist" on my diploma, but my occupation is "Permanent Tourist on Permanent Holiday in Oz."

Its a tough job, but hey somebody has to do it!

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Nov 8, 2012, at 1:53 PM

I would have guessed OKR to look like Connery - or some version of him (maybe as King Arthur in First Night) ... and the picture news across paints of himself sounds right on as well ... But I completely missed on the nandot / ferrell connection. Completley missed - not close - completely missed.

-- Posted by gentle ben on Thu, Nov 8, 2012, at 1:40 PM

Nana - OKR -

Retired? - Social Worker? - Teacher? - Journalist???

Just wonderin.

GB

-- Posted by gentle ben on Thu, Nov 8, 2012, at 1:35 PM

Rotflmao News.

Gotta add that as they will no longer be donkeys, nor elephants that they should choose the lemming as their mascot.

Of course such a break from the Republican party would leave the Republicans, by definition, the rump party. Undoubtably they would soon become known as the Rumps, or Rump Republicans. ;)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rump_party

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Nov 8, 2012, at 1:02 PM

CAN WE HELP THE TEAPARTY?

Yes that's right, I did say "help the teaparty."

Since its obvious we teapartiers...ahem...I mean, we folks who agree with Mr. Cain that the Republican Party should split apart, could be a big help to the teaparty fellas by helping them decide on a new name for their new party.

So perhaps we could suggest some possible names for the new party.

For example, here are a few of my suggestions for the new name of and independent teaparty.

1.) RED Party (Redneck Evangelical Desperado)

2.) The Losers

3.) Falange

4.) National Capitalist American Workers Party

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Nov 8, 2012, at 11:43 AM

"Herman Cain: Break up the Republican Party to 'save the country"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/11/08/he...

I agree with Mr. Cain, the best thing would be for the teaparty (former dixicrats) to completely split away from the Republican party.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Nov 8, 2012, at 11:04 AM

By the way, rr3, you are on the take.

Ever attend a public school? Drive on a federal, state, or county road? Get your water from a public utility? Ever collect a farm subsidy payment, or buy food produced by a farmer that does?

Speaking of food, and medicine. Ready for the elimination the FDA? No more federal or state inspection of your food? "Let the buyer beware" at the grocery store and pharmacy, eh?

Ready for drug companies to market anything they like, making any claim they like, without any sort of regulation or inspection?

Ready to eliminate the Clean Air Act and Clean Water Act? Would you like for ALL of our groundwater to be contaminated with ag and industrial chemicals right now? How about the acid rain from sulfur dioxide emissions? We would now be unable to eat any fish in any body of fresh water if those regulations had not been enacted in the early 70's. Are you unaware of the Cuyahoga River fires in Cleveland?

How about those national and state parks? Ever visit one? Ever hunt on or near a park or wildlife refuge?

I'll skip over the Corps of Engineers funded and implemented flood control on the river as that ain't exactly been working as planned lately, but they have done some good things in the not so recent past.

How about those oil and gas industry subsidies? Every tank of gas you buy has been subsidized by the federal government thanks to the Cheney national energy policy.

You do realize that all of the technology that enables us to produce that cheap natural gas from fracking, (steerable drilling and down hole communications systems)was funded by Department of Energy grants, right?

Well, then there is that federal monetary system. Those greenbacks in your pocket? Who printed those and insures the private banking industry?

I could go on, but I think you get my point.

As you seem concerned about Santa Clause living in the White House, I reckon you are ready to give up all the gifts he has left for you.

A hint would be to be a little more specific in your concerns. If you think too many folks are on welfare or food stamps, why not say that and then back it up with some facts and figures.

I would agree that we need to clean up our social support systems as what we consider poverty today seems like lower middle class lifestyles of the 60's to me, but you seem more interested in trying to make some unsupportable point that all government programs are bad for America.

Reform and elimination of waste in government programs is a great idea. Tossing out pot shots that somehow democrats are creating a welfare state just reflects a lack of knowledge about where we are in the 21st century.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Thu, Nov 8, 2012, at 8:25 AM

OMG, News, Paul Ryan is the anti-christ.

That explains his fascination with Ayn Rand, the atheist, I reckon.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Thu, Nov 8, 2012, at 7:58 AM

r,

Getting back to our discussion,

I found an interesting article which provides additional Bible-based descriptions of the Antichrist.

For example, he won't have any interest in the ladies (yeah, one of those), he will be stone-faced with a fierce continence, and he will be "very proud and boastful.

http://www.countdown.org/armageddon/anti...

I don't know if that description fits Obama or not, but it is interesting to know what characteristics the Antichrist will possess.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Nov 8, 2012, at 4:28 AM

OKR,

Your self-description matches pretty accurately matches what I imagine you look like -- beard or no beard.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Nov 8, 2012, at 1:47 AM

r,

I think you probably look a lot like Rush, but with muscle instead of fat...lol.

Sorry if I am way off the mark buddy.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Nov 8, 2012, at 1:42 AM

ND,

I had to look Conchata Ferrel up. I had never heard of her before.

I almost never watch TV anymore, so I have never seen the sit-com "2 and a Half Men. I don't even know if that show is on any channels here...lol.

So I looked her up

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/photopost/d...

This may surprise you, but my lovely wife also bears a strong resemblance to Ms. Ferrel.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Nov 8, 2012, at 1:39 AM

Hey News that pretty much fits how I had pictured you, partly (I'm sure) from things you have said on the blogs. Well all, but the ugly part LOL which I'm going to consider to be as self deprecation.

It is hard for rational people to describe themselves without a little self deprecation.

Back to you r, care to share what you see in the mirror?

I'll take a stab at you, don't take offense if I am way off. Gonna say about 5' 8' to 5' 10', well fed, a big head (physically), and a florid complexion. If you smoke at all it is cigars.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Nov 8, 2012, at 1:12 AM

Oh yea, and Nana it has been a looong time since I have heard the Connery comparison. The last time was a few years back when my son said remember when, and my wife said that was a long time ago. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Nov 8, 2012, at 12:50 AM

That fits you Nana; I pictured you as having a pleasing honest face with truth seeking eyes, and a whole lot of character.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Nov 8, 2012, at 12:46 AM

A truly appreciated compliment ND. Thank you.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Nov 8, 2012, at 12:22 AM

I have nothing against Harry Reid r, but I don't look a thing like him. I'm vain enough even at my age (seventy two as of later this day) to think it is an unfavorable comparison.

The only well known person that I have ever been repeatedly physically compared to was Sean Connery, and that was a long time ago when I was in my forties. Some of the guys, and girls who were my son's high school class mates used to tell me that. So did my wife. I'm old now, still stand up straight, not as tall, nor as strong, but still what weight I have is muscle. Oh yea, and I don't have a beard much of the time anymore because it inhibits the treatment of rosacea that came on a few years ago.

What about you?

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Nov 8, 2012, at 12:21 AM

hey r,

I look like an uglier, older version of John Lennon when had real long hair...circa Abbey Road.

I guess we all resemble somebody.

And your point about Senator Reid and OKR is what?

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Nov 7, 2012, at 11:51 PM

For some reason okr I have you pictured to look like dingy harry reid.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Nov 7, 2012, at 11:34 PM

Gee r, now that is a real reach. By that logic you should be proud of the idiotic remarks by every peckerwood, red neck idiot on the farthest right fringes of the Tea Party. Of course you do not. Only an idiot would think something like that. See what I mean? ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Nov 7, 2012, at 11:10 PM

It's the freebies stupid..........no longer the economy stupid...

--post on a blog by DETROIT PAPERBOY

I got to thinking that why would anybody not vote for Santa Claus. I guess if I was on the take I would have voted for o.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Nov 7, 2012, at 10:39 PM

ND your reply to jazznut was on the money. What else is new. :)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Nov 7, 2012, at 7:52 PM

Another slant on Romney's concession speech. I am truly relieved that he was not elected.

http://www.salon.com/2012/11/07/romneys_...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Nov 7, 2012, at 7:50 PM

Gal,

My family is much better off than they were 4 years ago.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Nov 7, 2012, at 3:13 PM

Gal66,

Unless you are rich with an income of $200,000.00 a year, you get zero direct benefits from the Bush tax cuts.

In fact, the Bush tax cuts for the rich meant those massive lost revenues had to be gathered elswhere -- like the poor and middle class. After all, all those wars on brown skinned people around the World that the United States is engaged in don't come cheap.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Nov 7, 2012, at 3:04 PM

Gal66,

Actually my family and I are better off financially then we were 4 years ago and we will be better off in the next few years.

Im no economists, but have had some college level studies in this area. The only tax cuts that we want to expire are on those making over 250,000 yearly. The main problem effecting our future economic standing is the debt not taxes. The argument that higher taxes is going to hurt businesses is not historically true.

If we dont raise taxes on the rich or get out of wars or decrease defense spending then we will have to ask those living off social securtiy or elderly people to pay more for healthcare.

-- Posted by cheesehead on Wed, Nov 7, 2012, at 2:56 PM

SalineGran,

Typos happen.

Its an imperfect World.

Get used to it.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Nov 7, 2012, at 2:43 PM

This not my own work but the work of a friend that does not want to give his real name or post it himself.

posted on another forum by jazznut "Where does American conservatism go from here?

It would appear that Americans have elected to maintain the status quo as regards the White House and Senate, for whatever that's worth.

And now the Republicans are faced with the unenviable task of having to once again reinvent the party (not to mention search anew for potential leaders) in the hope of working toward garnering greater gains in both the next Congressional and Presidential election years.

So where exactly does the Republican Party look in undertaking this task? Does it turn toward solidifying its more conservative-leaning aspirations via policy and personnel choices? Or does it veer more toward the sometimes nebulous and oftentimes volatile middle ground politically in an effort to appeal to centrists?

One of the major reasons I'm asking these questions is because I and my fellow Canadians have, over the last decade, experienced a rather significant electoral shift (both in terms of the political affiliation of the majority of members of Parliament and the Federal party in power) as the Conseravtive Party under Prime Minister Stephen Harper has wrested control from the Liberal Party. Harper and his party have achieved this through a conscious effort to take the more rightist-leaning elements of the old Reform Party of western Canada and envelope those desires within a basically centrist philosophy aimed squarely at appealing to a broader range of the electorate. His success in this venture is clear to all.

Admittedly, conservatism north of the border isn't directly comparable with its American counterpart. (We still maintain relatively far-reaching social assistance programs and are taxed accordingly.) But the wave of support Harper and his party are enjoying still begs the question, "Would the Republican Party in the United States contemplate a similar strategy in order to try to oust the Democrats?"

As always, I'm very interested in hearing thouhts (and feelings) from my neighbours."

-- Posted by Gal66 on Wed, Nov 7, 2012, at 2:28 PM

man jo that was hard, to the fact but hard......LOL

-- Posted by Gal66 on Wed, Nov 7, 2012, at 2:14 PM

cheesehead for your information I do not get my thoughts from fox or politicians they are mine and mine alone.

I know if the bush tax cuts are allowed to expire my take home pay will go down period as will everyone else's that works for a living!

Let me ask you a question what Has the past 4 years done for you?

Are you better off now than then financially?

Now let it be know I am not laying this at the feet of anyone group or person and that is why I myself did not vote for an Incumbent, with the exception of those running unopposed.

PS I hope Moodys is right!

-- Posted by Gal66 on Wed, Nov 7, 2012, at 2:13 PM

SalineGran I share your appreciation for written language.

However, I always keep in mind that grammar skills are not necessarily congruous with the ability to think, and express illuminating ideas.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Nov 7, 2012, at 1:42 PM

Gal66,

I know the media hasnt showed you this, but many economists are predicting more jobs in 2013 and that in 2014 they are predicting 250,000 jobs a month. So regardless of youre ideological rant you should actually listen to the experts in this field and not politicians or Fox news.

http://www.moodysanalytics.com/~/media/H...

-- Posted by cheesehead on Wed, Nov 7, 2012, at 1:10 PM

A lot of people are going to be ill on Jan. 1 if nothing is done during this lame duck session about taxes. On that day, the Bush tax cuts expire and a whole lot of people (L and R) are going to be royally ****** when they look at their pay checks.

Even those who don't pay federal income tax are going to be hurt, because the people who do pay are going to cut back on expenses. That means things like less eating out to less purchasing of durable goods. That translates into less jobs and more layoffs.

Small business owners are going to see their taxes go up and their willingness to expand their businesses will take a plunge. More layoffs will ensue.

One day later, the $110 billion in automatic spending "sequesters" set in motion by last year's debt deal take effect, slashing equally from defense and domestic spending. Layoffs will follow. And that will affect both R and D voters.

There is a potential for huge civil unrest.

-- Posted by Gal66 on Wed, Nov 7, 2012, at 10:48 AM

Hey people,

I have not posted before but have read a lot of posts. Please use your dictionary before posting.

I am so tired of words spelled wrong and blatant errors in the use of the English language showing your ignorance.

-- Posted by SalineGran on Wed, Nov 7, 2012, at 10:13 AM

I'm happy it went as far as it did,but they still hold the house! That means Nothing happens that will amount to anything! The way the System works as far as change will never happen! So what has changed? Still grid lock.I don't see much going on.I do know Obama had better be more assertive!Our Infrastructure will fall down around our Ears!

-- Posted by Jo on Wed, Nov 7, 2012, at 8:46 AM

Smart Dog,

I am pretty sure Ted Nugent is not in Sydney -- not his kind of people.

That should narrow things down a little.

In the mean time, I will let you know if I hear anything concerning crazy Ted's whereabouts.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Nov 7, 2012, at 8:23 AM

On the day after the election I find I still can't quite get a grip on neo-con logic.

A vote for democrats is a vote against women and healthcare? Really?

Are we unaware of the recent GOP candidates ridiculous undignified remarks regarding female reproduction? What is with the neo-con fascination with this topic? I am sure psychologists could have a field day with the religious right's preoccupation with women's reproductive organs.

And apparently they are not aware that the majority of health care providers and insurance companies favor the Affordable Care Act.

Perhaps with the new elections, neo-cons could try getting information from more than faux news and the NRA. It might help them seem more in touch with the realities of life in the 21st century.

Also, please read a science magazine or website once in a while. Climate Change is real and there is no such thing as "Clean Coal Technology." That term is a marketing strategy by the coal industry to make it sound like burning coal is harmless.

Science and technology say that is not true. We must keep working toward cleaner burning coal fired power plants and an eventual significant reduction in the inefficient burning of fossil fuels or we are in deep doodoo.

Here in Missouri, Ameren has applied for government grants (more corporate welfare, but I don't hear the neo-cons railing against that) to fund the permit process for new generation nuclear reactors at Callaway. If they thought the future was "clean coal" (fiction) would they be doing that?

BTW, anybody checked on Ted Nugent today? He may be in a van full of weapons headed for DC.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Wed, Nov 7, 2012, at 8:12 AM

rr3yvo,

As to your last two posts. It looks exactly like a post I saw on Facebook. Are you a plagerist or did you just blow your cover?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Nov 7, 2012, at 5:48 AM

rr3yvo,

Once again your hysyeria is unfounded. Relax, join the converstation. Let's all move forward...or do you just want to take your ball and go home?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Nov 7, 2012, at 5:36 AM

Yipppeeeeee!

-- Posted by Interested Too on Wed, Nov 7, 2012, at 5:10 AM

r,

Remember the day after the election back in '08, you said Obama would be a 1 term President?

So, what happened?

What say you now mate?

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Nov 7, 2012, at 3:26 AM

r,

You sound like some poor ol' fella suffering from Burst-Bubble Shock.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Nov 7, 2012, at 1:31 AM

It is interesting how the libs want to stop all wars.

They all just voted to continue the:

war on women

war on coal

war on oil

war on health care

war on poverty

war on the middle class

When energy prices are high, food prices are high and health care is high who does it hurt the worst? The poor and middle class. Thank a liberal for putting us all in poverty.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Nov 7, 2012, at 12:33 AM

OKR,

ROTFLMAOF!!!!

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Nov 7, 2012, at 12:10 AM

Oh a lot more than half mate.

Republicans are a political minority...and about to get a lot smaller.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Nov 7, 2012, at 12:09 AM

It's really sad that half of America voted for the destruction of it.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Tue, Nov 6, 2012, at 11:46 PM

Echo 9 Hotel for some reasom you seem familiar. Just wonderin, are you acquainted with military tactical flanking?

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Nov 6, 2012, at 11:22 PM

welcome to Idiocracy......youtube it, IMDB it...wikipedia it.....wouldn't have mattered who won this one, that's where the nation is headed

-- Posted by Echo 9 Hotel on Tue, Nov 6, 2012, at 10:43 PM

litlmissme

Thank you so much for your kind words and prayers. My family and I deeply appreciate your sentiments.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Nov 6, 2012, at 8:30 PM

News:

Congratulations on the grandchild, and prayers that all goes well:)

-- Posted by litlmissme on Tue, Nov 6, 2012, at 8:23 PM

I don't know if this counts, but I love Hispanic-American food -- in particular, Mexican cusine.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Nov 6, 2012, at 8:02 PM

It is much too early to draw conclusions about today's election. However it is beginning to look like the "New Irish" are beginning to flex their political muscle.

I have written before on these blogs, with respect, and admiration, about the Latino immigrants who now do the dirty work of America. It is a repetition of what the Irish did mid-nineteenth century, thus I call them the New Irish.

If Obama should pull out a win, he will owe it to the New Irish who are the big bunch that is the power of the coalition that will elect him.

The next step is for them to extract from him the concessions owed. That is the way it works. The Latinos will be a defining force in American politics for the next fifty years, as were the Irish before them. Habla espanol?

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Nov 6, 2012, at 7:45 PM

OKR,

I must respectfully disagree.

I have it on good authority that Magic Mormon Underwear comes in all the latest styles and colors.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Nov 6, 2012, at 5:32 PM

For gb: Mitt Romney wears the prescribed Mormon underwear. It is compelled clothing for devout Mormons, Mitt states he is a devout Mormon, ergo he wears Mormon underwear.

there are lots of links that confirm it. http://www.quora.com/Does-Mitt-Romney-we...

If he is elected he will be the first President in a long time for whom the tired old question boxers or briefs will be inappropriate.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Nov 6, 2012, at 5:23 PM

Poor Todd Akin...

...so misunderstood.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ylRozwTJ...

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Nov 6, 2012, at 4:00 PM

Welcome to the fray Shep. :)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Nov 6, 2012, at 3:45 PM

Hey speaking of teapartiers, how's that Todd Akin thing going for ya?

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Nov 6, 2012, at 3:31 PM

"Illinois woman votes while in labor"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/11/06/il...

Republicans, get ready to taste the wrath of American Women!!

Today is the day and the ladies say you gotta go!

"I Am Woman"

Helen Reddy

(with lyrics)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6fHTyVmY...

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Nov 6, 2012, at 3:15 PM

Wow! I can see there is a lot of debate going on in here! Never was much of a debater - too timid to be blatantly confrontational. But at least this shows at least a few folks are interested. That's a good thing!

-- Posted by shep on Tue, Nov 6, 2012, at 3:10 PM

Also - does it seem that some of the senatorial candidates may have written Obama off? There are a lot of new ads that say something like "if Mitt Romney wins you'll need me in the Senate so your voice can be heard" and the such. That sounds almost like early concession. Even McCaskill - who should have absolutely NO PROBLEM retaining her senate seat against that dipstick Akin - is pointing out where she "stood up to President Obama" on first one thing then another. What's up with that?

-- Posted by gentle ben on Tue, Nov 6, 2012, at 3:04 PM

Boldili: One thing i agree with what you've been Posting.That's the Electoral College! Rid this Country of the Filibuster It's antiquated for this time in History! Just like a lot of other Law's! Popular Vote in any decisions being made about anything,that has always been the true Democracy of anything! After all this is over,there should be some Prosecutions going on, for Voter Suppression! Just like Bush & Cheney,& others should have been charged with Treason!

-- Posted by Jo on Tue, Nov 6, 2012, at 3:03 PM

Don't worry - I'll be here.

And I will say it again - I don't know where people get it that I am a die hard Republican and a Romney backer.

I must have slipped up somewhere.

Anyway - it'll be interesting whose string gets pulled this time around.

I may have voted with news on the third party - who knows?

-- Posted by gentle ben on Tue, Nov 6, 2012, at 2:59 PM

GB

This note's for you mate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=end...

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Nov 6, 2012, at 2:54 PM

All I have to say gb is that your verification was sloppy thus you made an irresponsible comment. I expect better from you so back at you.

Get used to the higher standard for some of us; I have, and I welcome it. We are different than the robo voices that pop up with the same parroted message over, and over.

I am harder on myself, and my politically akin friends of this blog. We need to fact check ourselves to remain above reproach.

Anyway I appreciate you, your comments, and hope that you stay with us on this election watch. :)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Nov 6, 2012, at 2:38 PM

Oklahoma Reader,

In Texas they say, "Don't mess with Texas."

In the MDN virtual World we also have a saying, "Don't mess with Eric"...lol.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Nov 6, 2012, at 2:33 PM

Gentle Ben: I have never called you on any Comment,but this one is so obvious! This Man is not Presidential.just as Bush was inept! And history has proven this! Common sense told us this in the beginning.People has not used there gut feeling, and has made a lot of mistakes! We judge all kinds of People every day,but lose that sense when it comes too People of power.Maybe we listen to the lies being told.I was a Bartender for awhile and judged People every day on there demeanor. Wasn't wrong that many times!

-- Posted by Jo on Tue, Nov 6, 2012, at 2:32 PM

gentle ben

We don't appreciate being referred to as "Indians."

We aren't from India. We are the First Americans -- Native Americans...not "Indians."

For a fella that claims to have Indigenous American friends, you strangely use a rather unsettling term in your "friends" description.

Its bad enough the European invaders of America and their descendents stole our land, destroyed our country, our culture, our religion, and most of our people. At least they could leave us our dignity at this point.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Nov 6, 2012, at 2:29 PM

Long ago, in the sixties two sweet little old Marshall Republican sisters who had been election workers for years were caught (dare I say it) RED handed throwing ballots cast by Democrats in the trash. Do you reckon News that such behavior is just unresistable to the hard right? You know that brain difference thang. ;)

By the way if you are persistent, and continue linking all the Republican transgressions Eric is going to have to delete your comment; not because of content, but because it will run too long for this forum.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Nov 6, 2012, at 2:23 PM

OKR - I am truly surprised at your response to my comment. It seemed rather immature for a person of your stature. Something I would have expected from others - not you.

To the others - not that you will care one bit - but I am also offended by your race-centered remarks. I have never been a racist. Some of my best friends are black or hispanic or American Indian. Went to school with blacks and hispanics and native americans as well as Italian Americans and hard working white middle class folks. Never have had a problem with race.

I do, however, have a problem with intimidation of anyone by anyone - whether it is from the conservative right or the liberal left. If the stories posted about Florida and Oregon and Ohio are true - shame on those folks as well.

In fact - I think that's what some of you do best - you bully and intimidate (verbally) others for expressing their own beliefs until they say "enough" and stop posting - then you say they couldn't stand the proverbial heat so they left the also-proverbial kitchen.

And I hesitate to ask this because I do not want to come off sounding like a Romney supporter (I have made it clear I think they are all puppets and will do as they are directed - so it's hard to hold any of them accountable for what they say they'll do) but where is your precious "trustworthy news link" (if there is such a thing)or peer-reviewed evidence-based proof that Romney even wears underwear - much less Magic Underwear?

So sad.

-- Posted by gentle ben on Tue, Nov 6, 2012, at 2:13 PM

"Enough Donkey and Elephant, long live the Lamb." http://www.huffingtonpost.com/shane-clai...

Another option for those who are looking at alternatives.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Nov 6, 2012, at 1:49 PM

"NAACP accuses Mississippi country clerk of failing to process thousands of voter registrations"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/11/06/na...

http://www.jacksonfreepress.com/news/201...

"Election office robocalls in Florida falsely tell voters they can vote till Wednesday"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/11/06/el...

http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/lo...

"Oregon election worker fired for altering ballots to Republican straight ticket"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/11/06/or...

http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-city/in...

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Nov 6, 2012, at 1:42 PM

Good Lord gb...a predominately black precinct? Don't ya think that any folks who are white, and voting in that precinct see big strong black men every day? AND he was an official poll watcher! Do you always hit the sauce early on election day? ;) ROTFLMAO X 2.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Nov 6, 2012, at 1:37 PM

Just remember, Kathleen Harris was rewarded by the GOP with a seat in the US House of Representatives after she named George Bush president from her position as Florida Secretary of State in 2000.

A House seat is a much more cushy gig than Florida SOS, of course. Salary and benefits for life and all that.

So, she blazed the trail for GOP lackeys at the state level that have bigger dreams. Now they all can't wait for an opportunity to win the praises of Karl Rove by rigging elections.

I am sure all the party faithful will be justly rewarded for their efforts at voter suppression this time around.

But what I really want to know is where the "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" stand on the issues this election cycle. They seemed awfully concerned about America in 2004, but amazingly silent ever since, eh?

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Tue, Nov 6, 2012, at 1:18 PM

Here you go, OKR. Looks like another fine example of Faux News over-reaction and veiled racism to me.

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/new-bla...

"We's afraid of them big black men. They looks scary" said one of the white folks.

Ok, so I made that quote up.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Tue, Nov 6, 2012, at 1:09 PM

GB

The same people who will have to pay the attorney general of Ohio for his voter suppression tactics....we the people. (Although I am sure that the Koch brothers have handsomely rewarded him already.)

-- Posted by Interested Too on Tue, Nov 6, 2012, at 1:07 PM

No link gb? Wach you talkin' bout Willis?

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Nov 6, 2012, at 12:56 PM

LOL News. I am hoping that he will have to clean them himself, at least tonight. If it is an Obama landslide that may be a load that he deserves to handle. But then it may be that one of the properties of that occult underwear is self cleaning. Too bad he doesn't have magic mittens because his hands haven't been clean for a long time. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Nov 6, 2012, at 12:54 PM

A better question might be "If Obama loses, who's going to pay the bill from New Black Panthers for their intimidation practices at polling places in Philly ... again?"

-- Posted by gentle ben on Tue, Nov 6, 2012, at 12:50 PM

Question:

If Romney wins does that mean the American taxpayer gets stuck with the cleaning bill for Romney's magic underwear?

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Nov 6, 2012, at 12:40 PM

"GARY JOHNSON on The DAILY SHOW"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xl5zCl_rg...

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Nov 6, 2012, at 11:57 AM

"Gary Johnson Explains The Libertarian Presidential Platform"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0zGYai3K...

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Nov 6, 2012, at 11:54 AM

IT and SD I really hope you guys are right. Your points are well taken.

I hope I am wrong in my opinion that Romney will carry the day via election manipulation.

By the way SD you have grown as a humorist since you began posting. Keep 'em coming. :)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Nov 6, 2012, at 10:42 AM

There is no way Obama wins in Saline County though.

But Missouri is an interesting state. Polls have Romney by 10%, if he has coattails, then Akin will win. If Missouri splits the vote, then the only real campaign that would suggest a split vote is the Akin/ McCaskill race. Therefore, I feel Akin wins by a nose.

-- Posted by Interested Too on Tue, Nov 6, 2012, at 10:09 AM

OK, after seeing what the turnout looks like across the country; I am saying Obama wins, as it is generally conceeded that he has the best ground organization.

It's still coming down to Ohio, by all accounts.

-- Posted by Interested Too on Tue, Nov 6, 2012, at 9:24 AM

Looks like heavy early turnout in my ward in Marshall. Interestingly, this morning I would say there were 5 women voting for every man.

I'm guessing the fairer sex is turning out to have their say about Akin.

The Vegas odds makers put Obama's chances for re-election at 92% so that's hard to overlook. I think he will lose in Missouri, but possibly win Saline County, and will win the electoral college.

I also think that the Democrats will actually gain seats in the Senate and House.

Of course, the GOP will not learn anything from this other than the Koch brothers will need to spend more money next time. The Koch's will now begin to fund Latino PAC's and buy themselves some fellows named Gonzales and Alvarez to head them up.

Paul Ryan will retain his seat and introduce a bill to require teaching Ayn Rand's "Objectivism" in schools, alongside the bible of course, which will confuse the hell out of everyone as Rand was an atheist.

Elizabeth Warren will win a seat in the Senate and bake cookies for everyone on her first day.

Todd Akin will become a lobbyist for "Fathers of Forced Pregnancy," a new PAC funded by David Koch and run by Richard Mourdock.

Rep. Paul Broun, Georgia, will retain his seat and lead the charge to burn all ancient history, biology, chemistry, physics, geology, anthropology, and archaeology textbooks and outlaw the teaching of any science in schools from his seat on the House Science, Space and Technology Committee, as all of them are wrong. Jesus told him so while he was trying on Mitt Romney's magic undergarments and if God intended on us going to Mars we would have been born with wings, or oxygen tanks, or both.

The NRA will immediately send out fearmongering pamphlets to the faithful who will write checks so fast that there will be a national ink shortage. This will also result in a quadrupling of gun sales, initiating the move of all gun manufacturing to China in the name of increased profits.

And Karl Rove will still not have a job (other than his gig as Yes-man for the Koch's). That, right there, is unemployment I can live with.

How's that for election day predictions, OKR? All snark is intended.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Tue, Nov 6, 2012, at 8:48 AM

Nate Silver does not account for post vote fraud, electronic, and otherwise. Romney wins by the skin of his lying lips, though it may take a long time to get finalized.

The big story of this election may be ballot manipulation fraud, (not voter fraud).

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Nov 6, 2012, at 12:36 AM

Nate Silver who has a good track record of analyzing polls and elections predicts Pres Obama has a 92% chance of winning reelection. So if you are a betting person place your money on the president. This site provides links to all the polls also. Silver does base analysis on polls so basically what he is saying the only way Romney wins is if most of the polls are wrong.

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com...

-- Posted by cheesehead on Mon, Nov 5, 2012, at 10:34 PM

Okla: In an Honest Election and Common Sense thinking from the Electorate, there NO way Obama can lose! All that Money was there for a reason,and it wasn't because Romney is an Honest Man, and right man for the job! He's shown his Character! And the Republicans Parties disgust for integrity, and the American People!

-- Posted by Jo on Mon, Nov 5, 2012, at 8:43 PM

NanaDot

Thanks.

Two of my children were also preemies -- one of them now stands a healthy 6 foot, 5 inches...lol.

However, in my Son and Daughter-in-law's case, they had to do it at 28 weeks because there was not enough am-biotic fluid and he would not have survived inside the womb. So far he is hanging in there but its something I worry about every waking hour of the day. However, things do appear to be looking up for Vinny, despite a setback about a week ago, and we are optimistic at this point.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Nov 5, 2012, at 7:03 PM

No predictions by anyone excepting News, r, Jason, and myself? Come on folks display your political savvy. :)

Thus far the predictions run 3 to 1 for Romney.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Nov 5, 2012, at 6:41 PM

Hey r,

Remember back in '08 when you got a little, well, depressed the day after the election?

I was real worried about you mate.

It looks like you may be having one of "those" days again come Wednesday...you know, when the election has finished.

Anyway, I just want you to remember that you have a lot of buddies here in the comment zone...you know, in case you need to talk about anything that might be, well, making you feel unhappy.

You know, like another lost Presidential election.

Its OK buddy, we understand and we will be here to cheer you up...

...with humor...

...laughing at Romney and the Republican Party.

We'll be here mate.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Nov 5, 2012, at 6:07 PM

Smart Dog,

The Republicans don't mind violating folks civil rights...as long as its not them who's rights are being violated.

Some criminal prosecutions of some of the Republican leadership after the election, with hefty jail time upon conviction, would go a long way to send a strong message to the criminals in the Republican Party -- stop violating American's Constitutional Right to vote, or go to prison on a long sentence!

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Nov 5, 2012, at 5:30 PM

Funny how I have yet to see a single Democrat state official trying to suppress voter turnout or purge voters from the rolls, but it sure isn't hard to find Republicans obsessed with limiting who gets to vote in this election.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arch...

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Mon, Nov 5, 2012, at 4:05 PM

Thanks Jo. I just hope he makes it. its been up and down. Its all 1 step at a time right now.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Nov 5, 2012, at 3:45 PM

News, Congratulations,my friend, on the Grandson! Hope all go's well for the Family! And good luck too your Son that's leaving! Nana, Yes i think it's too risky Voting the Third Party at this time,for America. Its just a feeling i have! I think the Opposition is determined too rid this Country of the Democratic Brand,through any means Possible! I think when they show their real Character it will be very hard for them too hang on to their own Brand! When American People check into their Ideology closely, it will click,i hope! The Government is the only entity big enough too keep the People safe from Predators, ready to eat you alive! Like News said, at the right time,it has to be a more Social World too survive the Crazies! Lets go too the Polls People,once in that line, (STAY) that's all we can do. The suppression of the Vote, is what there counting on,hang in there !

-- Posted by Jo on Mon, Nov 5, 2012, at 2:53 PM

"Arizona nonprofit admits laundering millions for out-of-state Republican groups"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/11/05/ar...

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Nov 5, 2012, at 2:46 PM

ND,

In a Military hospital located on the American West Coast there is a newborn infant -- cesarean delivery -- a 28 week old preemy who is struggling for his life. His Dad is one of our American Navy Petty Officers. He has been "camped out" at the hospital until the little fella is ready to come home, and then he will be joining his ship which has been deployed to the Persian Gulf.

That infant is my Grandson.

That American Navy Petty Officer is my son.

No one can say I don't have a dog in this fight, and anyone who did would be factually incorrect.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Nov 5, 2012, at 1:45 PM

rr,

only in your dreams mate.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Nov 5, 2012, at 12:43 PM

NanaDot

A 3rd party does not require a majority to weild power -- your reference to the Australian House and the Greens is absolute proof of that.

In addition, the Speaker of the American House is decided by majority vote -- and she/he sets the House agenda. In cases of a split House, a 3rd party would decide which party is in control -- and that means the Major parties must negotiate with the 3rd party and make concessions of interest to the 3rd party. If the major parties want the Speaker's seat and the power to set the House agenda, they then must negotiate with the 3rd parties who hold House seats, under those circumstances -- no way around it.

Also, the Agenda of the US Senate is set by the party that holds a majority of seats and by the Majority Leader. In a situation where neither major party has 50 seats and some seats are held by a 3rd party in the Senate, then, much like the House, the Majority is decided by the 3rd party -- and that will come with negotiated concessions.

I am committed to democracy and there is no real democracy as long as only 2 parties are always in control. I am voting 3rd party and i will continue that trend for the rest of my life.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Nov 5, 2012, at 12:41 PM

rr3yvo,

Ok, I'll bite. Then what?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Mon, Nov 5, 2012, at 12:32 PM

I hope all the libs are ready for the Romney/Ryan tsunami tomorrow. Don't be unprepared like those on the east coast thinking government can save you.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Mon, Nov 5, 2012, at 11:51 AM

Smart Dog:

I am not surprised with any of the revelations you showed us. I suppose the neo-cons will say that the show you watched was a product of the liberal media.

Actually, no big time politician is a friend of ours, some may have good intentions, but they still have their vested interests at heart.

I must point out however; I've felt that Ryan and Akin were nut jobs a long time ago. Everything I've heard recently just reaffirms this opinion.

-- Posted by Interested Too on Mon, Nov 5, 2012, at 9:21 AM

Hey, I caught the documentary "Park Avenue: Money, Power, & The American Dream" over the weekend and I highly recommend it to all.

In fact, it would be nice if we could make this mandatory watching for every registered voter.

I learned that the Koch brothers were born with the proverbial silver spoon in their mouths and have never really had to work for anything they have. Their father was the innovator. Hilariously, he made all his money in the Soviet Union. That's right, David and Charles father got filthy rich selling his oil refining systems to the communists. You gotta love America.

I also learned that Chuck Schumer, New York Democrat, is not a friend of middle America. That fellow is who kills Senate legislation regarding campaign finance reform or controlling PAC's. He is firmly planted in the pocket of Wall Street.

The other fun fact. All the investment bankers and CEO's of big financial firms (Merril Lynch, BOA, AIG. et al)that bankrupted their companies and were bailed out by George Bush and our tax dollars in 2007 are all still living in their plush 740 Park Avenue Condo's. Nice to know our tax dollars helped them maintain their spoiled rich kid lifestyles. Wouldn't want them to actually have to work for a living or anything like that.

And finally, Paul Ryan is one scary dude. He receives more money from David and Charles Koch than any other politician in America. But what is truly unsettling is that Ryan wants to base public policy on a work of dystopian fiction written during the McCarthy era.

Apparently he thinks Ayn Rand is a brilliant intellectual. I think she was more of a Russian nut job who wrote a novel and got rich during the era when fear of collectivism was at an all time high.

For all you uninformed neo-cons out there, "Atlas Shrugged" is not a textbook on economics, it's a dang novel, a FICTION novel. It is just as likely that other leaders would step up to the plate, or that folks in society would organize themselves following the "strike" by the "job creators" and society would go on without them, not collapse into chaos as Ms. Rand would lead us to believe. Once again, Mr. Ryan, you are basing your personal philosophy on a work of fiction. Yikes.

For those unfamiliar, Ms. Rand also felt that public schools, public hospitals, public roads and bridges, public water systems, public parks, and all cooperatives such as MFA, rural water systems, and rural electric cooperatives along with social security were a bad idea and bad for America.

So, Paul Ryan sings the praises of Ms. Rand's philosophy. Any of you agree with her? Are you ready for Mr. Ryan's politics to enter the mainstream so we can eliminate all those "socialist" entities that I listed above from our society.

How ironic that Ms. Rand, spent the final years of her life on social security and medicare.

What next? Public policy based on Star Wars?

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Mon, Nov 5, 2012, at 8:58 AM

RationalThinker

Yeah folks here in Australia used to think voting 3rd party was a waste of vote too.

They don't think that anymore.

Now Green Party controls the Australian Senate, and the Greens in the House of Representatives forced the 2 major parties to court their favor in a coalition government. Their decision decided who would be Prime Minister.

Thats a whole lotta power mate.

It took the courage and conviction of the independent voter to do that. We ignored the 2 party zombies who told us we were throwing away our votes, and we voted 3rd party anyway.

They don't say that anymore,

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Nov 5, 2012, at 4:23 AM

One reason NOT to vote Libertarian is because it is a fringe party and doesn't have a chance to win. It is literally "throwing your vote away". However, since a pragmatic Libertarian would probably vote Republican, I probably shouldn't point that out to you. I know several idealists in Florida that decided it was important to vote for Ralph Nader instead of Kerry, purely to try and make a statement. They made that statement and besides wasting their vote, they ended up putting in office someone they detested worse than any other party had to offer. Another reason not to vote Libertarian.... Libertarians want to live In a bubble without sharing for the public good. If they had been born into a tribe, they would have been cast out as a non-contributing member. They were the ones who never learned to share their toys while growing up.

-- Posted by RationalThinker on Mon, Nov 5, 2012, at 3:47 AM

Why is it that all the major news (and even the fair and unbalanced news) are showing most polls have the race for President close (within the margin of error), yet, no matter where I walk or visit, the vast majority of lawn signs show Romney/Ryan? Is it because the DNA of those from the right are much more "in your face" type individuals? And the more affluent neighborhoods have almost all yard signs for Romney. Yet, I know there are many Obama supporters who will vote quietly and not put a sign in their yard. There also seems to be a correlation between Romney signs and anti-abortion signs from the religious right. Anyone care to take a guess as to why GOP supporters put out yard signs at a much higher percentage than polls suggest their numbers are?

-- Posted by RationalThinker on Mon, Nov 5, 2012, at 3:32 AM

r,

May I humbly suggest that you consider Libertarian Party Presidential candidate, Governor Gary Johnson?

There is still plenty of time before the election to carefully consider all your options.

Governor Gary Johnson

http://www.garyjohnson2012.com/

.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Nov 5, 2012, at 2:27 AM

That's ironic r, I think you are scary. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Nov 5, 2012, at 12:04 AM

Gaffe-a-minute biden and people still want to vote for them? One thing about it o has the loser and moron vote wrapped up, it will be interesting to see if they are a majority. Scary actually!

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sun, Nov 4, 2012, at 11:56 PM

Might as well vote for o.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sun, Nov 4, 2012, at 11:38 PM

Jo, a lot of us feel the same buddy,

That is 1 of the reasons I am supporting Gary Johnson. He is the only viable 3rd party candidate candidate. I am no longer getting sucked into the 2 party only con. We have other options.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Nov 4, 2012, at 11:24 PM

Well we changed the time today now don't forget to change your president on Tuesday.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sun, Nov 4, 2012, at 11:22 PM

You will never know the truth about anything from the G.O.P.! The American People are not that stupid too believe anything the liars have too say,or should know by now!! This is not just Political, its Criminal what has happened with some, (in both Parties)! The system has to change! Too be safe for now,,it better be Obama!

-- Posted by Jo on Sun, Nov 4, 2012, at 9:42 PM

Rotflmao News.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Nov 4, 2012, at 9:25 PM

cheese

Definitely hate.

Those folks are down right scary.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Nov 4, 2012, at 8:23 PM

"Why dog is man's best friend"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xymIcIt1Q...

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Nov 4, 2012, at 8:17 PM

Is the Republican party still fueled by hate or fear?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pla...!

-- Posted by cheesehead on Sun, Nov 4, 2012, at 8:15 PM

OKR,

If I told you that Australia is a mighty dry place, I doubt that piece of trivia would not be anything you did not already know. In fact, I am sure you know full well already that Australia is the 2nd driest continent on Earth, with Australia's neighbor, Antarctica, being number 1 in the competition.

In Australia, water is scarce and so it is expensive. In fact mate, its almost like liquid gold.

So when one of my neighbors informed me that years ago my kind-hearted wife had allowed for, and agreed to give his predecessor limited easement on our property (so he could drain what would become a lake in his backyard during what few heavy rainstorms we get) across my property to the street and that he now wanted to use that easement, I was quite pleased.

I immediately started making plans to put in underground water-storage tanks and a solar-powered pump in my backyard. I had images of a low-cost a lush, ultra-green, lawn in my mind from the very start. I was going to have the best lawn on the block, and I was going to have my neighbor to thank for it.

Sometimes what might seem to be a negative thing can be turned to the positive.

Take the prospect that Romney may well be our next, and probably, last elected President of a crumbling nation, for example.

It does have an upside.

We get the opportunity to be the loyal opposition.

Lol...

Unfortunately for my neighbor and me, his drainage plans fell through...and Obama will probably win.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Nov 4, 2012, at 7:11 PM

News I appreciate your optimism, and hope that you are right with every fabric of my being. :)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Nov 4, 2012, at 3:03 PM

OKR,

There are not enough dixicrat-Reublicans to defeat Obama. They are a political minority.

Obama is going to win hands down and there is not 1 thing the dixicrat-republicans can do about it.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Nov 4, 2012, at 1:49 PM

Testing.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Nov 4, 2012, at 11:21 AM

Oh yes, don't forget the Regressive persuasion of the majority of the Supreme Court. They would dearly love to massage their egos by annointing another ruler of their choice.

Obama, nor America has a chance in hell this time around, the Corporatists/Fascists will step it up this time to a new level.

I hope I am wrong more than I have ever hoped I was wrong in my life.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Nov 4, 2012, at 12:58 AM

With the election just a few days away we have all had the opportunity to express our hopes, and our fears. It is now time for each of us to make a prediction regarding the presidential race.

I believe we will see a contest culminating in circumstances nearly as bizzare as the Gore/Bush contest of 2000. I think that many will feel that the election was stolen no matter who wins because the truth is that many don't trust either side these days.

Keeping in mind that Republican cohorts control the electronic, no paper trail, voting machines I think that Romney will defy the polls prior to the election, and defy the findings from exit polls. He will unexpectedly win by a hair in enough of the swing states to eke out a victory. When I also take into consideration ongoing Republican efforts to deny as many likely Democratic voters access to the ballot as they possibly can I can not imagine any other outcome.

Romney in a close one, though it may be awhile before that is declared. Don't waste your time staying up all election night to hear the winner declared, that ain't gonna happen.

Pessimistic? Cynical? You bet.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Nov 4, 2012, at 12:49 AM

With all the Republican talk about "unleashing capitalism" and "slashing stifling regulations by the EPA", it's a good idea to consider the consequences. Here in NC, considered to be tops for business, a couple of fancy subdivisions near Wake Forest are facing exactly what can happen.

A few years ago, a very small company was cleaning circuit boards in a small building. The used fluids were allowed to drain out a pipe directly onto the ground.

Fast forward, the company was sold. The land was developed, homes built. The wells serving those homes are now contaminated w/cleaning solvents. EPA is testing and installing filtering systems in the homes. Costing megabucks.

The owners of the company are in CA and aren't answering phones.

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Sat, Nov 3, 2012, at 8:32 PM

"Steroid company's political ties surface as meningitis outbreak worsens"

Salon reported on Tuesday that while NECC has been reprimanded several times over the past decade, the company was spared from more serious sanctions by entering into a consent agreement with a state agency, the Massachusetts Board of Registration in Pharmacy.

The company's president and co-owner, Greg Coniglario, was also revealed to have hosted a fundraiser for Massachusetts Republican Sen. Scott Brown (R-MA), one of 10 senators to sign a letter asking the FDA to loosen regulations on the drug compounding industry."

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/11/03/st...

How long will we tolerate deregulation?

How many Americans have to die before the cons wake up?

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Nov 3, 2012, at 5:43 PM

Not just Texas Bohdi, also voting for a member of the Democratic Party at any level of government in Oklahoma.

It is so bad here that the Corporatist Republicans in the state legislature are making alliances with the few remaining Democrats to thwart the Tea Party Republicans' efforts to pass bills such as one that would have created a statute that would have made it unlawful to use human fetuses in food products. I haven't eaten a locally produced hot dog since that one was voted down. ;)

Yep, I also liked the fifty year comment. :)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Nov 2, 2012, at 11:03 PM

Lol...now that is funny.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Nov 2, 2012, at 10:40 PM

"Let Detroit Go Bankrupt"

Mitt Romney

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/19/opinio...

That is how much Flip Flopney cares about America's autoworkers...in his own words.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Nov 2, 2012, at 5:20 PM

"Obama slams Romney for Jeep ad in Ohio"

http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/...

Clearly, Flip Flopney is a pathological liar.

Flip Flopney is not a man of good character.

Flip Flopney is a poor choice.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Nov 2, 2012, at 3:39 PM

Smart Dog,

Neither the data (facts) of the study nor the conclusions say anything about all conservatives being insane.

Instead, the data found,

" A meta-analysis culled from 88 samples in 12 countries, and with an N of 22,818, revealed that 'several psychological variables predicted political conservatism."

and those variables are,

"In order of predictive power: Death anxiety, system instability, dogmatism/intolerance of ambiguity, closed-mindedness, low tolerance of uncertainty, high needs for order, structure, and closure, low integrative complexity, fear of threat and loss, and low self-esteem."

And the conclusion drawn by the data results is,

"the core ideology of conservatism stresses resistance to change and a justification of inequality."

The title of the article is interesting, but even it makes no statement that "all conservatives are insane." as you seem to think.

The inference you have drawn is not at all what the data or the experts say -- so yeah, I guess they don't agree that all conservatives are insane, nor did they ever make such a claim..

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Nov 2, 2012, at 1:34 PM

I'm back to pick on Donald (the wig) Trump again.

Apparently the CEO of Chrysler isn't the only Chrysler exec willing to call BS on 'the Donald,' literally.

Gotta love a VP who is willing to publicly state "You are full of ..." to Mr. Irrelevant.

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20121...

Like that feller in Los Angeles, just for that I may re-evaluate my opinion of Chrysler vehicles. For the better, that is.

Not sure that all conservatives are insane, but I am sure that Trump fits the DSM-5 definition of psychopath.

And hats off to Mr. Ralph Gilles, Chrysler's Vice President for Product Design, for calling a spade a spade.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Fri, Nov 2, 2012, at 9:19 AM

"You can mouth off about Romney all you want. But here is a fact that I want you all to see: The Gallup Poll finds that the 2012 election will actually have more Republicans and fewer Dems voting than any of the past 4 elections"

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Thu, Nov 1, 2012, at 9:42 PM

So, what are you saying, Jason? That the GOP voter suppression strategy is working?

And how is that good for our democracy again?

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Fri, Nov 2, 2012, at 7:39 AM

Or maybe this answers the question.

"Here are the facts. A meta-analysis culled from 88 samples in 12 countries, and with an N of 22,818, revealed that "several psychological variables predicted political conservatism." Which variables exactly? In order of predictive power: Death anxiety, system instability, dogmatism/intolerance of ambiguity, closed-mindedness, low tolerance of uncertainty, high needs for order, structure, and closure, low integrative complexity, fear of threat and loss, and low self-esteem. The researchers conclude, a little chillingly, that "the core ideology of conservatism stresses resistance to change and a justification of inequality."

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/geni...

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Nov 2, 2012, at 2:47 AM

Hey Jason,

Why is it the Republican candidates always cheat and lie in Presidential elections?

Could it be that if they were honest nobody would vote for them?

Inquiring minds want to know.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Nov 2, 2012, at 1:48 AM

Testing.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Nov 2, 2012, at 12:17 AM

"John Koster's Rape Comments Demonstrate Conservative Inability to Understand Consent"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/11/01/jo...

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Nov 1, 2012, at 10:29 PM

...and Romney will still lose.

Wow, that is pretty bad.

Do you think the Republican Party will get the message this time around?

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Nov 1, 2012, at 10:28 PM

You can mouth off about Romney all you want. But here is a fact that I want you all to see: The Gallup Poll finds that the 2012 election will actually have more Republicans and fewer Dems voting than any of the past 4 elections

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Thu, Nov 1, 2012, at 9:42 PM

"Is Political Conservatism a Mild Form of Insanity?"

Published on September 6, 2008 by William Todd Schultz, Ph.D. in "Genius and Madness"

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/geni...

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Nov 1, 2012, at 7:07 PM

Testing...my comments keep showing up on the last month Politics blog, though posted on the one started November 1st.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Nov 1, 2012, at 6:59 PM

"Mitt Romney's Bailout Bonanza"

http://www.thenation.com/article/170644/...

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Nov 1, 2012, at 4:03 PM

OKR,

I believe any official found guilty of any felony should be sentenced to prison and released to prison general population ASAP!

Its high time Republicans and conservatives stop molly cuddling criminals.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Nov 1, 2012, at 3:12 PM

"For Mitt Romney, it's one scary Halloween. The Presidential candidate has just learned that tomorrow afternoon he will charged with violating the federal Ethics in Government law by improperly concealing his multi-million dollar windfall from the auto industry bail-out"

http://www.gregpalast.com/uaw-files-char...

-- Posted by cheesehead on Thu, Nov 1, 2012, at 2:34 PM

smartdog,

I think the Romney caimpaign lies about Chrysler is indicative of a team that knows their losing this election and is throwing up a hail mary pass.

-- Posted by cheesehead on Thu, Nov 1, 2012, at 2:32 PM

Here's a nuther'n from right here in my back yard SD. There was collusion between the corrupt D. A. of Oklahoma County, and Joyce Gilchrist who lied about testing of evidence over, and over, thwarting the dispensing of justice. Neither spent one day looking at striped sunshine; probably because they knew too much about too many other criminals in the system. http://www.aclu.org/racial-justice_priso...

This link gives a summary of the whole nasty business, ya gotta read it. It will turn your stomach.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joyce_Gilch...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Nov 1, 2012, at 11:01 AM

And to top it off, we should be very proud of the neo-cons and their fascination with what happens to rape victims.

Like I said earlier, I'm starting to feel like this election is being contested in the Twilight Zone.

Fundamentalist Christians scare me worse than any other threat on the planet at this point and that's saying something because climate change is a doozie and those other fundamentalists, the Islamic radicals, are pretty scary themselves.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/11/01/...

However, our own Christian Fundamentalists are right here at home and have organized themselves and infiltrated every dang aspect of our lives at this point, which to me makes them far more worrisome in my view.

Any bets on how long before we have another Scopes "monkey trial" here in America? Wait, I think similar things are going on every day and we are already there.

It's not a good sign for the future when 50% of the population has been brainwashed into believing that scientific knowledge is a bad thing and Rush Limbaugh is a credible source of information.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Thu, Nov 1, 2012, at 8:12 AM

We adults should be proud of ourselves now, eh?

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2012/10/31...

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Thu, Nov 1, 2012, at 8:01 AM

Next, let's move on to distrust of the GOP.

It appears that the champion liars are moving forward with the latest campaign lie in spite of the fact that both the Chairman of General Motors and the CEO of Chrysler say it's just plain wrong.

Yeah, Mitt loved to say "Those are the facts, Mr. President" during the debates, but apparently he doesn't understand the definition of the word "fact."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-34222_162-57...

Either that, or he's just a bald faced liar like the rest of his GOP handlers.

And before you neo-cons launch into a cacophony of "well Obama lied about (insert topic here)" please remember that stating, or even proving, that Obama is a liar does not mean that Romney is not a liar.

If you want to prove Mitt isn't lying to the American people repeatedly, prove that his campaign statements are true. Go ahead, I'll enjoy the reading.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Thu, Nov 1, 2012, at 7:57 AM

Well, let me kick off this shiny new political blog with some distrust of government agencies.

How 'bout that Massachusetts crime lab that has been faking test results for as much as nine years. How's that war on drugs working for us now?

http://cognoscenti.wbur.org/2012/11/01/a...

Then there is the forensic examiner in Mississippi who is a serial liar and has sent many to prision on fabricated evidence. This is apparently an older story, but I was only recently made aware.

http://reason.com/archives/2010/12/06/th...

It's no wonder we have more people locked up in prison, per capita, than any other country on earth with public servants like these being funded by our tax dollars.

And to think that the conservatives are worried about spending tax dollars on Planned Parenthood. Looks to me like we might have bigger fish to fry if we want to clean up wasted tax money and governmental abuse of citizens.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Thu, Nov 1, 2012, at 7:49 AM


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