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Speak Out [politics] August 1 to November 1, 2012

Wednesday, August 1, 2012

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Testing...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Nov 1, 2012, at 7:02 PM

Testing.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Nov 1, 2012, at 6:55 PM

LOL this is where I meant to put "Amen News!"

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Nov 1, 2012, at 6:51 PM

Amen News!

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Nov 1, 2012, at 6:26 PM

"Compromise"

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Nov 1, 2012, at 12:29 AM

Compromimise with fascism?

Is that why our folks fought WW2?

Wasn't the defeat of fascism the whole point of the war?

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Nov 1, 2012, at 12:29 AM

Great op-ed piece OKR.

But 1 question keeps popping into my thoughts, what is more conservative than fascism?

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Oct 31, 2012, at 11:26 PM

A conversation with Frank Rich who says if Obama wins the Republicans will be in a rage, and go even further to the right. He says expect more of the same polarization as the last four years. It is a good read, lots of nuggets in the piece.

http://www.salon.com/2012/10/27/frank_ri...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Oct 31, 2012, at 11:03 PM

Well mate, I am always happy to qualify my arguments with credible evidence. You seem to rely on your own limited perception and experience.

I was asking you to do anything more than provide your sources. After all, the burden of proof always rests upon the claimant.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Oct 31, 2012, at 10:12 PM

A secret memo from the Romney campaigned has been obtained in which they instruct the people they intent to send to watch over the polls in Wisconsin to challenge ballots not to give their political affiliation. It also fails to provide these igcognito poll watchers with the correct info to correctly dispute ballots. So what Wisconsin will get is a bunch of Republicans who dont know the laws trying to contest ballots. This campaign is knee deep in you know what.

http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news/201...

-- Posted by cheesehead on Wed, Oct 31, 2012, at 9:52 PM

BohdiLi

If you could qualify it, you would have.

Again all you offer us is your own subjective, empty opinion based on nothing.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Oct 31, 2012, at 9:37 PM

"OBAMA IN DISASTER ZONE:

'WE ARE HERE FOR YOU"

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/10/...

NOW THAT IS WHAT REAL LEADERSHIP LOOKS LIKE!!!

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Oct 31, 2012, at 6:31 PM

BohdiLi

Yeah opinions about 2 completely different and unrelated fields.

And actually, both are impressive awards, based on expert opinion (unlike your non-expert opinion), and awarded for outstanding achievements in the respective fields, but while a Pulitzer is an impressive recognition in Journalism, it would be meaningless to award it to a musical group or music writer for writing/performing even the greatest song in the World.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lK4cX5xG...

Also, you say,

"my whole point being, winning an award of that nature looks good in a resume, but doesn't really mean a lot, in the end."

Can you qualify that statement please?

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Oct 31, 2012, at 6:24 PM

Two new polls out of the swing state of Ohio. This may be the state that decides the election.

CBS/Quinnipac Obama by 5% and University of Cinn poll has Obama by 2%.

http://www.ipr.uc.edu/documents/op103112...

http://www.scribd.com/doc/111619086/Quin...

-- Posted by cheesehead on Wed, Oct 31, 2012, at 6:24 PM

"Obama tours Sandy disaster in NJ -- 'going to be here for the long haul"

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/10/...

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Oct 31, 2012, at 3:59 PM

"Romney flip flops on killing FEMA: 'I will ensure FEMA has the funding it needs"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/10/31/ro...

"During a Republican primary debate earlier this year, the former Massachusetts governor had said that abolishing the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) was "the right direction" and eliminating all federal disaster relief was important because "we cannot afford to do those things without jeopardizing the future for our kids."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/28...

Folks, if you vote Flip Flopney and he wins, you will definitely get what you are asking for...but it may not be what you want.

Think very carefully before you vote.

Choose wisely.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Oct 31, 2012, at 3:48 PM

As to the Republicans being extremists, that is nothing new. What is relatively new is the marriage between the Republican Party and the Dixiecrats.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Oct 31, 2012, at 3:18 PM

Here is a hint.

Apples are not oranges.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Oct 31, 2012, at 3:15 PM

Smart Dog

How many apples = 4 oranges.

Please show your math.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Oct 31, 2012, at 3:06 PM

Those conservatives and their antics.

Now, Newt Gingrich tells us that a vote for Todd (the biological expert) Akin is a vote against the Republican party? Honest.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/g...

Wha...? Really, Newt? Because Todd Akin is a poster child for everything that is wrong with the Republican Party, so I ain't too sure how you arrived at that one.

And to think, that was said by a guy named after Issac Newton, who was apparently wrong, according to Gingrich and Akin, about all knowledge he passed on to future generations.

American politics has now entered the Twilight Zone, I think.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Wed, Oct 31, 2012, at 1:38 PM

I don't usually recommend television shows - but the series now running on The History Channel - "The Men Who Built America" or some such title - is pretty good. It shows the relationship between the Rockerfellas, Carnegie, and JP Morgan. I just wish they would go ahead and tell the whole truth about these guys and their invovlement in the group that controls all the assets and power in the known world.

Anyway - the series is scheduled to run in it's entirety starting at 2 p.m. on Sunday.

I'm guessing we should all just be happy that Morgan baled the nation out when it was broke back in the day (to the tune of about $500 million or so - that's billions in today's currency.). I'd say a government might feel pretty beholden to someone who could and would write that kind of check. Oh yeah - that's how we got the non-governmental privately owned Federal Reserve - never mind!

-- Posted by gentle ben on Wed, Oct 31, 2012, at 11:01 AM

Well, apples and oranges are both fruit, they are both edible, and they both grow on trees.

I figure debating the similarities between tree fruits is about as useful as politics currently.

Once again, the political scientists have successfully driven a giant wedge very precisely down the middle of our nation in order to score political points, get their respective candidates elected, and get about the business of reaping the rewards that holding a political office provides.

I reckon that makes our political system the biggest welfare program of all. Get yourself elected and you and your staff members are set up!

God Bless America.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Wed, Oct 31, 2012, at 9:14 AM

"Romney refuses questions about eliminating FEMA during his 'storm relief event"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/10/30/ro...

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Oct 31, 2012, at 1:33 AM

So more good news for Obama tonight as 2 polls just released: 1 more Ohio poll has Obama by 3 and another in Colorado showing Obama up by 3. If these polls anymore towards Obama then this race is over.

http://projectnewamerica.com/latest/poll...

http://www.scribd.com/doc/111611304/Memo...

-- Posted by cheesehead on Wed, Oct 31, 2012, at 1:15 AM

BohdiLi

Isn't trying to compare the Grammy Award for Best Rock Album to the Pulitzer Prize for Journalism a lot like trying to compare apples and oranges?

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Oct 31, 2012, at 12:36 AM

Oh yea Bohdi, I forgot to mention, seven Pulitzer Prizes. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Oct 30, 2012, at 11:26 PM

At a debate in Minnesota Michelle Bachman draws laughs from the crowd by stating she doesnt give political speeches.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/10/30/au...

-- Posted by cheesehead on Tue, Oct 30, 2012, at 11:19 PM

It has been a highly rated paper for a very long time Bohdi. It has often rated much higher than currently. I think it not the negative example that you conceive it to be. The CSM does a good job of presenting straight news.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Oct 30, 2012, at 11:16 PM

Poll on the 28th finds Obama up by 6% in the swing state of Nevada.

http://www.ralstonreports.com/blog/new-p...

-- Posted by cheesehead on Tue, Oct 30, 2012, at 11:15 PM

Bohdi take a peek at what paper is the twentieth ranked newspaper in North America. ;)

http://www.4imn.com/topNorth-America/

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Oct 30, 2012, at 9:08 PM

The good news for Obama is that he is leading early voting in Florida by 1.7% when he was losing early voting at this time last election. I believe this gives him the edge considering this fact, but that margin could be made up easily.

So when push comes to shove if Obama wins Florida it will almost be impossible for Romney to win this election even if he does win Ohio, but today's Ohio poll has Obama by 3%.

http://elections.gmu.edu/early_vote_2012...

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollRepo...

-- Posted by cheesehead on Tue, Oct 30, 2012, at 8:59 PM

I havent seen anybody discrediting CNN polls in they actual do a good job polling and their polling is in line with most polls from Florida.

There is a poll released today from surveyUSA on Florida that shows it a tie 47%-47%.

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollRepo...

Also a ppd poll released on the 28th shows Obama with the lead by 1% 49-48. There is lots of people that discredit the PPD poll since its ran by left leaning pollster, but I will post the link to the poll and state polls in the 2008 election and the PPD polls were the most accurrate in the swing states in 2008. So before anybody disputes this poll please look at how close they got in 2008.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2...

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/...

With that being said all of these polls all indicate that neither candidate can take Florida for granted.

-- Posted by cheesehead on Tue, Oct 30, 2012, at 8:38 PM

Nate Silver is predicting a 73% chance that President Obama is reelected. This is a very good site if anyone wants a very comprehensive look at the polls and their results.

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com...

-- Posted by cheesehead on Tue, Oct 30, 2012, at 7:24 PM

BohdiLi asked about our views on state propositions - well, here's mine.

Constitutional amendment 3 - NO - the current plan is a national model. It ain't broke, so there's no need to fix it.

Proposition A - YES - It's time to end Civil War politics. That's when the St. Louis Police Department fell under the control of the State.

Proposition B - YES - The 760% tax increase will not even put Missouri into the middle of the pack on cigarette taxes. Best thing that could result from this is that in a few years the modest administrative cost of the new dedicated fund outstrips the revenue it generates due to decreased tobacco use.

Proposition E - NO - We're going to get an insurance exchange anyway. Let's make it a Missouri exchange, not a Federal exchange.

And one last thought - no matter how much a candidate declares that he/she will STOP this, REPEAL that, or DO / NOT DO something else, they are forced to work with Congress (Federal) or Legislature (state) as a whole to make it happen. For example, Romney says he will repeal Obamacare on day one. He CAN'T!! He can only present to Congress and it is Congress that needs to vote first. Ditto for Obama's plans. And for Nixon's and Spence's plans at the state level.

Just my two cents' worth. Worth just what you paid for it.

-- Posted by TerryM on Tue, Oct 30, 2012, at 1:01 PM

"SUPERSTORM SANDY BATTERS EAST COAST;

FLOODING AND WIND LEAVE MILLIONS IN DARK"

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/49593609/ns/... By=msnbc|cover=1^12=Landing Content=Mixed=1^13=Landing Hostname=www.nbcnews.com=1^30=Visit Type to Content=Internal to Mixed=1&__utmk=181450023&__utma=14933801.1811737418.1351537199.1351576401.1351584031.4&__utmb=14933801.3.10.1351584031&__utmc=14933801&__utmx=-&__utmz=14933801.1351537199.1.1.utmcsr=(direct)|utmccn=(direct)|utmcmd=(none)&__utmv=14933801.|8=Earned%20By=msnbc%7Ccover=1^12=Landing%20Content=Mixed=1^13=Landing%20Hostname=www.nbcnews.com=1^30=Visit%20Type%20to%20Content=Internal%20to%20Mixed=1&__utmk=181450023

Climate change, what climate change?

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Oct 30, 2012, at 3:25 AM

Good night?

Its the middle of the day!

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Oct 30, 2012, at 3:11 AM

A fact check on the Mitt Romney lies about Chrysler moving jobs to China.

http://www.tennessean.com/article/201210...

-- Posted by cheesehead on Mon, Oct 29, 2012, at 6:02 PM

"Sandy could bring 'catastrophe,' affect 60 million"

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/10/29/us/tro...

Hey remember when Rush and his pals at Fox News told us there was no climate change?

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Oct 29, 2012, at 5:26 PM

x-ray;

I am thinking that some of your comments may be actionable. Might want to secure your assets!

-- Posted by Interested Too on Mon, Oct 29, 2012, at 3:46 PM

xray,

nonsense -- pure-D nonsense.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Oct 29, 2012, at 2:03 PM

Warren buffet has a plan? What to NOT pay his own taxes?

-- Posted by mrxray on Mon, Oct 29, 2012, at 12:20 PM

All I can think of is this... we have troops all over that are in harms way... do you think they feel more confident or less confident that if they are stranded and under attack that the command will give permission for their rescue?

-- Posted by mrxray on Mon, Oct 29, 2012, at 12:19 PM

The reality about welfare is that we are now spending a trillion dollars a year on Federal welfare programs..... we have spent Trillions over the decades on welfare... and have we made a dent in solving poverty or any other social problem? One would think that in a nation as great and innovative as the US, that since the inception of Federal welfare programs that the goal would have been to SOLVE social problems. However, our liberal progressive pushed agenda for our welfare and social programs is designed or intended to SOLVE those problems.... all it is are games for people to play to THINK they are being cared about.

The Reality is that if those pushing the current types of welfare programs REALLY cared about the poor, then they would see the government programs for exactly what they are.... failed programs that ONLY feed the government monster where the coerced and forced taxation money goes into the money pit of a government program and not to the people who need them. The bureaucracies of the government ALWAYS eat away most of the money with all its inherent corruption, graft, waste, abuse, fraud and inefficient rules and practices and personnel.

A REAL caring person would have seen this over the decades and demanded that we FIX the programs or just stop them... the government IS the problem and always has unintended consequences.

Can you tell me ONE government program that digs down to the root of WHY a person or family is poor and then helps that person or family solve their problems? NO because once we did that, found out the actual REASON that people are poor, we could no longer blame the rich or blame the republicans or blame corporations because we would find out that the REAL reasons people are poor have nothing to do with the rich or the political group or businesses.... and all to do with REAL CHOICES that people make.

So anyone claiming that welfare aint broke, that the government attempts at fixing social problems aint broke just does not care about people and ONLY cares about pushing the agenda of the progressive liberals that want bigger government with more and more control over the 'stupid common folk' that they feel superior to.

-- Posted by mrxray on Mon, Oct 29, 2012, at 12:05 PM

and as for Chrysler and Jeep... Jeep has plans for sending jobs to China... and GM is failing in Europe.... along with their low low stock prices... the Tax payer will never get paid back like promised.... but then since when do we expect anything that Obama promises us to come true? Isnt an Obama promise a guarantee that it will NOT come true?

-- Posted by mrxray on Mon, Oct 29, 2012, at 11:56 AM

http://m.washingtontimes.com/blog/robbin...

I dont know how anyone can vote for Obama... he is the Murderer in Chief... negligent homicide of our Diplomatic personnel... we has assets in the water, land and air and OBAMA denied them the opportunity to save the men that were being attacked.... the concept that you wait until you 'understand' what is going on on the ground before you rescue people under direct and overwhelming attack goes against EVERY military concept of never leaving people behind...

We could have sent Military fighter planes to fly low flying flights over the site as a warning, or fired a few 'close shots' ... the guys on the roof of the building that were killed had laser targeting devices and the coordinates of the mortar positions...

for POLITICAL reasons Obama just let those men die and watched the video of it...

ANYONE with military experience or with family members in the military needs to understand this... since Obama has been in office, in Afghanistan our troops have had the direct order that they CANNOT fire back at people shooting at them UNTIL they ask for permission from the chain of command... NOW our troops have NO FAITH that our Appeaser in Chief's chain of command will give that permission.... And this I know for 100% fact as My son just did a tour in Afghanistan and his unit has had people all over Afghanistan for years.... Can you imagine sitting in a helicopter with the fire power to rescue ground troops from an attack but you just have to fly circles over them because you have to wait until permission is given, IF it is given, before you can shot to protect the lives of US troops? And watching people get shot and/or killed while waiting on the chain of command?

Anyone voting for Obama is voting for actionable killings of our own troops.... and overseas personnel.

-- Posted by mrxray on Mon, Oct 29, 2012, at 11:55 AM

No need to answer any of your questions - i agree that corporate welfare is worse than all the rest of the welfare added together. It doesn't change the fact that folks is folks - and whether they are at the top of the $$$ food chain or the bottom - many will find a way to abuse the system. I just think there should be better checks and balances on both ends of the spectrum.

-- Posted by gentle ben on Mon, Oct 29, 2012, at 8:22 AM

Romney will be another stooge just like Bush was!So the far ,far Insane of the Party can run things! But seems like there is nothing but Insanity in that Party anymore. But i blame all of them in the Party! the ones that are still half sane aren't doing anything too correct thing,their just staying hide for now! It is absolutely clear that most in both Parties should go back into the work force.Warren Buffet has a plan!**** i wish i could find it again too share with you Guys!

-- Posted by Jo on Sun, Oct 28, 2012, at 8:32 PM

Here is the ad run by Mitt Romney that tells us its over. Why would you run a ad stating Obama took the car industry bankrupt and Obama sold Chrysler to Italians. This is desperation at its highest.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/10/28/ro...

-- Posted by cheesehead on Sun, Oct 28, 2012, at 7:27 PM

Gee r, didn't you get the party memo?

Aren't you supposed to be telling us that the big issue that's on all the voter's minds is "what happened in Benghazi?"

Geez r, you better pray to sweet Jesus Fox News doesn't hear about this slip-up.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Oct 28, 2012, at 2:47 PM

Romney = Bush = Neoclassical economic policy = economic collapse.

Elections matter

Your vote matters

And remember, elections have consequences that directly affect your life everyday, so...

...choose wisely.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Oct 28, 2012, at 2:40 PM

STILL.........................WAITING!!!!!!!!

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sun, Oct 28, 2012, at 2:37 PM

Well Jo, if you think things are bad now, can you imagine what it would be like under a Romney regime?

Flip Flipney...another Republican opportunist.

Just like Bush.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Oct 28, 2012, at 1:20 PM

Some think that the people on welfare is gaming the system! In my opinion,that statement is way off! There is a criteria too get what i think is very little help.Most, who would go through that hassel needs it! Why isn't people upset with the Money being stolen in Washington?There is Laws against all this,so why aren't the Laws being enforced? The Politicians are bigger thieves than the People. The false claims on Medicaid being perpetrated by the Professionals at the rate of 63 Billion a year! In the end NO one will pay for their crime except the Patients! Its not Medicare that wrong It's the thieves stealing from it,same with S.S.! Another thing the Electoral College is Antiquated,the Popular Vote on everything is the only way to go. The Filibuster has ruined this Country! The voting system has to be revamped with paper Ballots!Another thing! The Republicans want smaller Government,stay the HELL out from between the woman Legs,out of the bedrooms,out of the Refrigerators,away from Medical Records,stay away from the subject of Rape! Keep your **** Nose out of Peoples personal Business!!

-- Posted by Jo on Sat, Oct 27, 2012, at 9:35 PM

"Former Powell Chief of Staff: 'My party is full of racists"

(Includes video)

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/10/27/fo...

If we have learned anything about the Republican Party over the last 12 years, we certainly have learned they are largely motivated by racism. To a Republican, the best interests of our nation takes a back seat to there goals of "racial purity."

Folks its election time. Let's kick the racists in the Republican Congress to the curb!

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Oct 27, 2012, at 3:19 PM

I am in agreement with Nana on the ballot measures.

Except I kind of like the method we use now to select our Missouri Supreme Court justices. Having non lawyers on the board seems like a good idea to me. Seems kind of like the jury system. After all, we trust a random group of 12 people to make correct decisions regarding the application of our legal system every day. Seems to work. Of course I am sure the system is rife with good ol' boy politics, but I am not sure handing it over to attorneys will eliminate that.

And Prop E, as Nana said, is no doubt another fine example of the conservative need to make absolutely everything about partisian politics, even something as essential as health care.

I expect anyday now neo-cons will propose a new policy to make clean water systems privatized. It will fit nicely with their proposals to make law enforcement and prisions, education, social security, roads and bridges and everything else now done in the name of public good a "for profit" enterprise.

Folks do realize that Mitt Flopney openly stated that his goal was to repeal "Obamacare" and replace it with his own plan, "Romneycare," right? And his Romneycare system is identical to the Affordable Care Act, except for the mandatory coverage provision, which makes Romneycare a system doomed to fail.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Sat, Oct 27, 2012, at 10:12 AM

I've heard there's been a lot of campaign sign thefts in Marshall in recent weeks. It's not only illegal. It's annoying. So petty & immature. So I thought the solution proposed about halfway down this page was kind of interesting. Vaseline.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/linin...

-- Posted by taxedpayer on Sat, Oct 27, 2012, at 7:39 AM

BohdiLi

I discuss what ever I choose to discuss.

Get used to it.

As to your claims to musical skill,

I doubt that very much.

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Oct 27, 2012, at 2:45 AM

BohdiLi

Well his music may be, like his message, a bit difficult for some folks to understand.

Anyway, I like his music, but then again I am a classically-trained solo violinist with 45 years of experience under my belt, so what would I know about it, eh mate?

One thing is for sure...somebody likes him. He made millions with his songs and he stands to make a lot more with this one.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Oct 26, 2012, at 9:29 PM

"First off say peace to Pine Ridge

Shame on all the damage the white man wine did

Ghost dance, Trail of Tears, 5 million beers a year

And all that other crime did"

"Around My Way"

Lupe Fiasco

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S77zUWqaw...

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Oct 26, 2012, at 5:42 PM

GB,

When will the Republicans stop handing out taxpayer dollars to rich corporations?

What's the Republican plan to end corporate welfare?

Please be specific.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Oct 26, 2012, at 4:15 PM

The Republican assault on American women continues.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/10/26/co...

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Oct 26, 2012, at 3:59 PM

Let's see Flipneys math r,

and while he is at it, why won't Flipney show us his tax returns for the last ten years just like all the rest of the candidates for the White House have done?

What is Flipney hiding?

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Oct 26, 2012, at 3:43 PM

rr3yv0

and here is another question for you.

How does Romney plan to pay for that 5 trillion dollar tax cut?

Or will the middle class get stuck having to pay that Republican bill too?

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Oct 26, 2012, at 3:39 PM

rr3yv0,

You said,

"Maybe I need to speak louder.

STILL.........................WAITING!!!!!!!!"

Well mate, I have been waiting for you to answer specific questions since 2007.

If you want answers to your questions then you better start answering the questions I asked you from years ago.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Oct 26, 2012, at 3:35 PM

Have you looked around, SD? Look closely and you will see that many folks who are walking around with Smart Phones are also on the welfare system. Same folks who have large flat screen televisions to watch while suckin' on cigarettes and drinking their favorite alcholic libations - and snacking on the chips and pretzels they bought with food stamps - rather - our tax money! Makes me crazy. Somewhere there has got to be a log cabin back in the woods - with a fireplace or woodstove and a stack of firewood beside the door - with my name on it. Not that I would ever become a recluse, mind you. Well, maybe.

-- Posted by gentle ben on Fri, Oct 26, 2012, at 2:19 PM

I just heard that oh-bite-me announced that Romney is proposing a 500 trillion dollar tax cut. Well we can't have that can we I am voting for o.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Fri, Oct 26, 2012, at 1:16 PM

I agree Gentle Ben. The amount of money being spent on this election is obscene. When compared to all the good that could be done with a billion dollars, it makes us look somewhat foolish in my view.

Also, I, too, am a grouchy middle aged white guy, just not a republican grouchy middle aged white guy. I'm comfortable, I am a big fan of gun ownership, and I believe in our constitution, so folks can't quite get their heads around why I am not a conservative.

I am not so proud of my baby boom generation when I look at what we have done now that we are in charge of things. The "peace, love, and rock-n-roll" generation has created the biggest war-mongering, greedy, narcissistic, egotistical society on the planet. But it's all ok because we are fundamentalists and go to church.

Of course we have also created the welfare state where poverty means you can't afford a smart phone. I do agree something is wrong if the statistic that says 45% of Americans are receiving food stamps is correct.

Don't get me wrong, there are definitely poor folks out there who are truly poor, and deserving and needing assistance. Rightly so.

However, if you can afford beer and cigarettes, but government money has to feed your kids, we are doing something wrong. When able bodied folks can wash their cars, mow their lawns, carry their groceries, water ski, golf, or whatever but they and their kids are receiving social security disability, something is wrong.

It's quite a messy system we have created in my lifetime and I am not sure either party has a clue how to fix it. I think most politicians are only in it for the ego trip and the money.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Fri, Oct 26, 2012, at 12:21 PM

Maybe I need to speak louder.

STILL.........................WAITING!!!!!!!!

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Fri, Oct 26, 2012, at 12:09 PM

By the way ...

I am neither a democrat or a republican - though I obviously tend to lean a little more to the right of center than to the left.

Have a hard time trusting any of them - or the gullible masses who keep letting them run for office using donations that exceed $2 billion this year alone.

Talk about feeding the hungry or finding better solutions for energy or digging wells so folks can have clean water all you want - but when the candidates have to spend that much money to get elected, there is obviously something wrong with the system as a whole.

And hey - I'm not even being cynical.

-- Posted by gentle ben on Fri, Oct 26, 2012, at 11:07 AM

"C'mon grouchy middle aged white guys, you don't really believe these guys have a clue or are operating with the best interest of America at heart, do you?" Posted by Smart Dog 10-26-12

Actually (though I'm not always GROUCHY - I am a middle aged white guy), I don't believe ANY POLITICIAN, from the White House to the Court House, has the best interests of America at heart.

There - I said it.

-- Posted by gentle ben on Fri, Oct 26, 2012, at 10:59 AM

As Republican politicians everywhere seem to be coming up with egregious, bone-headed, statements perhaps folks will start to understand why, as a group, these clowns are not the magnanimous intellectuals they would like conservative voters to believe they are.

Then there is the presidential candidate. Mitt Flopney, who apparently had his "severely conservative" ideology removed and replaced by his current "I'm for whatever gets you to vote for me" personna.

I guess if you are a democrat and do that sort of thing, you are a 'flip-flopper,' if you are a republican, well, then it's just that "the ends justifies the means" and you are actually ethical if you lie to get yourself elected.

It should be clear by now to most folks why we should not trust the GOP, or almost all of their darling candidates, isn't it?

I am somewhat appalled by number of folks who I thought were somewhat rational that are stretching their own reason and dignity to defend Akin, Moulder, Kinder, Romney, Ryan, et al in the face of rather outrageous defining statements.

C'mon grouchy middle aged white guys, you don't really believe these guys have a clue or are operating with the best interest of America at heart, do you?

Are those tax cuts for rich folks that important? Should rich grouchy middle aged white guys really get to make the rules for everybody? Oh wait, poor people mooching off the government really are why we haven't been more successful.

And for the truly religious folks out there, be advised that you are being played by the 1%'ers.

I'll even name names, Sheldon Adelson, David Koch, Charles Koch, T. Boone Pickens, Donald Trump, who when combined with just a few others have donated nearly $1 billion dollars to conservative politicians just this cycle in order to buy favor and influence government policies.

The neo-cons work to buy your vote by playing to your faith with false promises of attending to your concerns, all the while the intention is to get control of the government and stack the economic deck in their favor.

Hell, even Wayne LaPierre, NRA darling, has been made a multi-millionaire off of conservative political antics. You do realize that Wayne has never, in his entire life, been anything except a Washington lobbyist, right? Is that considered being a productive member of society that understands the plight of the working man?

Perhaps instead of complaining, I should start an Ayn Rand "Objectivism" cult and start reaping my own share of the neo-con rewards now that her work of fiction is being used to justify political agenda. It's actually a science fiction book that made Ayn rich enough to become a philosopher, another "productive" member of society who has no idea what it's like to work at a job for a living.

Apparently the 'Repugnican' Party is now in the same category as Scientology. A cult based on a science fiction novel written in the 1950's, along with some nice McCarthy era attitudes toward women and society.

BTW, I claim copyrights over "Mitt Flopney and the Repugnicans" dang it. Gotta profit from this somehow, it's the American way.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Fri, Oct 26, 2012, at 9:26 AM

As if Todd Akin was not embarrassing enough...

"GOP Missouri Lt. Gov.: Obama plans to sign away our sovereignty"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/10/25/go...

Ya know, cons still don't get it. Politicians are a lot like computers -- garbage in/garbage out.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Oct 26, 2012, at 7:11 AM

cheesehead,

Fortunately, Mr. and Mrs. Romney will soon be nothing more than a brief footnote in history, despite the claims of the mainstream, pro-conservative-biased media.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Oct 26, 2012, at 6:51 AM

Slowly but surely this story is working itself into the media, but will Fox news jr and Fox news actually cover this.

http://current.com/shows/the-young-turks...

-- Posted by cheesehead on Fri, Oct 26, 2012, at 1:12 AM

ND,

No doubt, anyone could be racist or sexist or a religious biggot if they choose thst.

However, the challenge to BohdiLi is to provide evidence of specific instances of Democrat racial discrimination over the last 10 years.

If it is occurring, then certainly it must be easy to verify.

Specific, factually based, verified instances of Democrat racist demonstrations, interviews with Democrats where the Democrats make racist statements, and Democrat racist blogs -- you know, just like the dixiecrat-teaparty Republicans have manifested over the last 10 yeats, would go much further in supporting his argument than will his fox news-like innuendo.

Hey maybe he can prove the Democrats actually oppose gay rights and gay marriage too!!

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Oct 25, 2012, at 11:55 PM

BohdiLi

Yeah that's nice, I prefer calm, rational, discource.

Trolls don't bother me much. Its pretty easy to examine their hype, and show them for the empty bags of hot air that they really are.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Oct 25, 2012, at 10:52 PM

Lol...did you want to make a point mate?

If so, spit it out. Let's have it.

...and your link to CNN proves...?

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Oct 25, 2012, at 9:52 PM

BohdiLi

Well so much for your claim that the Democrats or the progressives are racist, eh mate?

Its what I figured, all talk and no substance.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Oct 25, 2012, at 8:55 PM

I watched several News Shows today! I have one thing to say,The Republicans think the American People are Crazy! Its the only answer too what they've been saying! This Election will determine if we are,are not!

-- Posted by Jo on Thu, Oct 25, 2012, at 8:41 PM

"Suprisingly, the asians seem to be pretty quite about their beliefs, either way"

Could it be the difference between eatern religion, and western religion?

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Oct 25, 2012, at 7:16 PM

this one is for you Bohdi. ;) http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=yout...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Oct 25, 2012, at 7:12 PM

BohdiLi

Can you qualify your Thesis statement please, and please be sure to include the links to your sources so we, the readers, can verify them and check them for factual accuracy, timeliness, level of expertise, and credibility.

Your thesis cannot be supported by your personal, subjective experience or personal opinion.

And please be specific.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Oct 25, 2012, at 6:58 PM

Well cheese,

Mr. Cobert's generous offer to Mr. Trump certainly appears to be very fair.

But I predict Donald Trump could not care less for children and will coward his way out of it.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Oct 25, 2012, at 5:45 PM

Stephen Colbert counters the Trump's offer with a offer of his own. Colbert is offering Trump 1 million to the charity of his liking. Will Trump take the offer or not? Warning this video may be offensive to some, but funny to most!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlvQW7tI4...

-- Posted by cheesehead on Thu, Oct 25, 2012, at 5:25 PM

BohdiLi

How's that?

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Oct 25, 2012, at 5:24 PM

BohdiLi

Well, sadly, judging by the dixicrat-teaparty statements and history of racism as evidenced by their, signs, blogs, and rallies, racism is alive and well in America.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Oct 25, 2012, at 4:53 PM

R, considering your extensive history of name-calling, is pointing the finger at the victim really the way to go at this juncture?

As to Obama and Romney, they are both bad news.

I recommend you consider Libertarian Candidate, Gary Johnson. We have national problems, and Governor Johnson has workable solutions.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Oct 25, 2012, at 3:45 PM

With Romney; same thing plus a war in Libya and Syria, and a possible war with Iran.

Increased debt and no solution to any other problem you mentioned.

Oh yes, he won't worry about abortion either as he would not have anything to run for re-election on.

-- Posted by Interested Too on Thu, Oct 25, 2012, at 3:31 PM

Record debt

Record unemployment

Job killing policies

Weak foreign policy

Increased entitlements to buy votes

Unprecedented tax increases forthcoming on all including middle class through ocare and tax rate increases

Setting a surrender date in Afghanistan endangering out troops still serving there

Letting Alqueada expand and strengthen because we have to apologize and not call something for what it is 'terrorism'.

Now let me get this straigh are these reasons to vote for o or not to vote for o. I have been getting conflicting reports on these issues. Can any American justify voting for the status quo knowing it is not working and is voting for our failure. Can you look your kids and grandkids in the eye and say that you voted for this and I am sorry that you will not have the same opportunity in America that I did. I apologize!!

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, Oct 25, 2012, at 2:51 PM

You all are right.

Still......no reason to vote for o. I don't know what is more scary, o getting re-elected or living in the same country with people that voted for him.

Now that is funny!!!!

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, Oct 25, 2012, at 2:06 PM

You said r; "America is going to hell in a hand basket under o's leadership and I don't want it to happen and I don't know anyone that cares about America that does."

A little over the top r. Your disdain for the views of half of our nation's citizens is one thing, but to believe that they don't care about America is in my opinion just bone headed stupid.

It is also typical of a whole bunch of you folks on the radical right, and one of the reasons you folks are so dangerous to democracy. What do you want to do; decreee half of America disloyal, and treasonous, take away their right to vote, and put 'em in concentration camps?

ROTFLMAO!

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Oct 25, 2012, at 1:15 PM

rr3yvo,

So don't @*$**&! vote for him! Let it go. Excercise your right not to vote for this president and let it go!

-- Posted by What the f...... on Thu, Oct 25, 2012, at 1:06 PM

Still waiting.......all I hear is vote for o so we don't go back to what we had or that what he has done so far needs work or needs to be streamlined. Record unemployment, record debt, record tax increases in ocare, increased entitlements to buy votes, do I need to go on. America is going to hell in a hand basket under o's leadership and I don't want it to happen and I don't know anyone that cares about America that does. This man cannot run on his record, he can only try to discredit his opponent and yet we have some on here complain about name calling. Like that is real important. Tsk! Tsk! Do you need a tissue. The arrogance of liberalism does not care about American exceptionalism. They want those that experience it to feel guilty because of the failure of liberalism and their policies. Liberalism suppresses a person's desire for excellence and independence. They want to look to the government as a fix all and heal all and it doesn't work. It never has.

So yes I am still........waiting for a reason to vote for o. I don't see anything that I want more of. Do you?

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, Oct 25, 2012, at 12:43 PM

cheesehead

Interesting video mate.

Its shocking to see folks trade off ethics so easily and for no other reason than their determination to "get the black guy out of the White House."

Republicans truly sank to new lows this election.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Oct 25, 2012, at 8:14 AM

Does anyone want to see what Republicans really think of Mitt Romney?

http://front.moveon.org/what-republicans...

-- Posted by cheesehead on Thu, Oct 25, 2012, at 1:06 AM

Bohdili,

Im not sure what the point of your posts are most of them just consist of you bickering with someone.

-- Posted by cheesehead on Thu, Oct 25, 2012, at 1:05 AM

BohdiLi

Mate is a term that is part of my Australian culture to which I am entitled.

I will not cease to use this friendly word of my People.

Please do not expect me to do otherwise, mate.

Your requests that I do so shall go unheeded and unanswered beyond this point.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Oct 24, 2012, at 11:29 PM

Eric,

correct me if I am wrong, but isn't name-calling a violation of the MDN Speak Out Policy? In fact, wasn't this type of thing settled with your decision in the Michell Obama precedent in which a commenter referred to our First Lady with inappropriate name-calling?

I am of course referring to the name-calling in BohdiLi's comment below.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Oct 24, 2012, at 11:25 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
You're quite correct. Sorry for the oversight.

It is quite a quandary Bohdi. I have thought about it a lot over the years. There is no answer fair to all concerned. At least there is not one that I have found.

Thus I wait for science to come up with an answer that is equitable. If science could come up with an implant that is harmless for boys, and girls upon reaching puberty, that could be removed only when two fully informed prospective parents desire children, or when a woman wanted to have a child with an anonymous sperm donor, it would remedy most of the issues, for most of the people, most of the time.

Of course it would raise other issues, and put a new twist on existing issues. For instance what if a woman wanted to have a child alone, but was to most, obviously unable to support, and/or nurture a child? What about intrusions on religious freedom, such as some of those horny old men who belong to offshoots of the Mormon religion that love to marry, and impregnate multiple young girls because their God told them it is the right thing to do? I'm afraid that bottom line it is an unanswerable dilemma.

Probably the best we can do is offer sex education, and birth control to all young people. With all the socially irresponsibles who consider God's bidding to "go forth, and multiply" theeleventh commandment we can't even get close to doing that.

Finally, and ultimately it is in the hands of nature. We will multiply until it is unsustainable then we will die back as a species. End of problem.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Oct 24, 2012, at 10:55 PM

BohdiLi

The Supreme Court answered the central question you pose. A father has zero say in it -- even if they are married/not separated.

A woman owns exclusive rights to her own body under the 14th Amendment to the Constitution. States may regulate this from the point of viability.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/hi...

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Oct 24, 2012, at 10:36 PM

BohdiLi

Mate, under no circumstances would I ever take my marching orders from the likes of you.

You can play whatever games you want, but it has no bearing on any of the political issues we have been discussing.

If you wish to discuss a particular, non-personal issue, then great.

State your thesis and defend it. If I think you are mistaken in reason or fact, I will be very pleased to rebut.

But if you just want to rag on personal jibes, jabs, and attacks then I think I will pass on it..

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Oct 24, 2012, at 10:31 PM

BohdiLi

The only interest I have in your personal attacks on me is that it signals that you have lost your argument.

As to my wife...well, she does post here and she thinks your quips are childish nonsense not worth her time.

In addition, she is well versed in debate and she already knows what personal attacks signify.

So, mate, as President Obama might say, "proceed, BohdiLi, proceed."

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Oct 24, 2012, at 8:32 PM

Trump is a good example of the kind of person a whole lotta cons would like to see in the White House.

Which is another good reason to vote 3rd party.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Oct 24, 2012, at 8:03 PM

BohdiLi

In Australia we enjoy a parliamentary democracy. Here we vote for a party. Rarely do we have independent candidates. The party that wins the most votes decides who the Prime Minister is and uses its majorty to pass legislation.

When we vote, our ballot allows us as many preference slots as there are parties. The first slot indicates our first party choice. If that party does not have a majority, the vote goes to the party preference the voter puts in the 2nd slot. If that party fails to win a majority, the voter's vote goes to his 3rd preference, and so on and so forth. In addition, the ballots are all paper ballots -- no Diebold machines in Australian elections.

In recent years, it seems like a pretty effective approach.

Anyway, historically, it has always ended about the same as in America -- 2 major parties, Labour Party (same as American Democrats) and Liberal Party (same as American Republicans)...until recent years.

Now Green Party controls the Senate and our House is equally split between Liberals and Labour. Our last Federal election was a "Hung Parliament" with no party having a majority. So even though the Greens are a minority party, they decided who the Prime Minister would be by forming a coalition government with Labour. The also could have formed a coalition government with the Liberal Party instead, however, they took the offer that best suited their constituents' needs and sided with Labour.

I like that system. It makes 3rd Party influence far greater and forces the 2 big parties to behave more rationally.

Its how democracy should work.

I don't think democracy is working well, though, when the same 2 parties become the only game in town. 2 party democracies often become defacto 1 party systems -- the perfect breeding ground for fascism.

I do oppose both major American Parties and the 2-party-only system -- both of whom have policies that almost seem to have come straight out of "Mein Kampf" itself.

Much like many of our WW II vets who fought a long, bloody war to stop fascism's rise in the 1940's, today many Americans, including me, believe our Nation's struggle to defeat fascism is a continuous struggle and one that honors those brave men and women who fought so valiantly to defeat the forces of fascism in WW II.

That is 1 of the reasons I am supporting the Libertarians in the November election. 3rd party power sharing has the best probability of stiffing fascism and maintaining our American tradition of opposing fascism and fascist dictatorship -- a tradition paid for in American blood.

And 1 last thing mate.

I noticed you make occasional quips about Australia. I won't speculate on your probable motivations for said quips.

However, you may want to recall that I am an American -- born American to a long...very long...line of Americans. Quips about Australia don't mean much to me. They might irritate my wife, Aussie Wife, but they don't mean much to me. Heck, I talk about them quite often myself...lol.

But no matter what we may think of the Aussies, 1 thing is for sure, they absolutely love the United States -- and are the only country and people in the World that have stood by America's side in every war and conflict America has fought since WW I -- every one -- and has always steadfastly supported America even when all the other Allies balked. Here they have a saying, "right or wrong, we stand with America!"

America has no better friend than Australia mate.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Oct 24, 2012, at 6:05 PM

Hey, it appears that Trumps "huge, huge election altering news" is a little weak, eh?

Poor Donald, he's just not getting enough attention in the media these days.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Wed, Oct 24, 2012, at 4:26 PM

SD,

...great article mate!!

"I struggled with it myself for a long time, but I came to realize life is that gift from God," Mourdock said in a Tuesday night debate with his Democratic rival, Rep. Joe Donnelly, in a debate. "And I think even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that it is something that God intended to happen."

(Richard Mourdock, a Tea Party-backed candidate}

I bet he thinks the Holocaust was a gift from God too.

Is America possibly suffering from severe mass-mental illness?

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Oct 24, 2012, at 4:17 PM

Hey, here's a good reason to vote for Obama, if anyone is still looking for one. :)

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-34222_162-57...

Mitt, of course, says he doesn't agree with Mourdock the Unenlightened, but he still supports the guy for the US Senate so apparently he doesn't disagree all that much.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Wed, Oct 24, 2012, at 4:06 PM

"Pennsylvania may force workers to pay taxes to their employers"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/10/24/pe...

http://www.citypaper.net/blogs/nakedcity...

Yeah, I think you can see where things are headed.

Good luck with that fascism America...you are really going to need it.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Oct 24, 2012, at 2:57 PM

So Mitt Romney has decided to endorse one Senate candidate this year. Well you will haveto watch this video to find out!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pla...!

-- Posted by cheesehead on Wed, Oct 24, 2012, at 1:37 PM

Smart Dog,

Not only is rape a part of god's plan, but apparently its a gift also.

What I do know is that all the serial rapists out there are probably now targeting this guy. Obviously if its part of God's plan he wont mind at all.

-- Posted by cheesehead on Wed, Oct 24, 2012, at 12:24 PM

...foxnews/opinion.....

I think that says it all right there.

BTW, thanks Bohdi and Cheesehead for the recent links to stuff that actually makes sense.

And how 'bout that Indiana Senator Richard Mourdock? What a guy. Apparently if you get raped, it was God's plan.

If that's the kind of god you Christians worship, well then there's another reason for me to stick with atheism. At least in my world, the individual is responsible for their own actions.

The rapist is a criminal deserving no mercy and should in no way what-so-ever be considered an actor for the divine being. The concept that if a woman becomes pregnant from rape then it is the Christian God's will is just repugnant.

Obviously Mourdock does not understand simple logic, but once again, when you state that the result of the rape was God's plan, you are stating that the rape was a part of the plan, eh? Sheesh.

How in the wide world of sports do these fundamentalist fools like Mourdock, Akin, Santorum, Bachmann, and so on even get anyone to listen to one single thing they say, much less actually give them money for nothing to run for office?

Oh, wait........ praise Jesus.......yeah, that's it, blind faith really is blind.

And Marx was right about at least one thing, religion is the opiate of the masses, it appears to have dulled the brains of fundamentalists.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Wed, Oct 24, 2012, at 8:04 AM

Hey r,

isn't that a lot like the pot calling the kettle black?

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Oct 24, 2012, at 7:36 AM

The Democratic Party has lost its mind and its way

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/10/1...

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Oct 24, 2012, at 6:51 AM

BohdiLi

Oh did you miss the memo mate?

I have been saying for at least 2 years now in this forum that I am not a Democrat and that I won't be voting for Obama.

Nor am I a Republican, and I won't be voting for Romney either.

To me they both represent the United Fascist Party, aka Republicans + Democrats.

There are other candidates.

However, I have made a decision.

I am voting for Gary Johnson of the Libertarian Party.

Thank you for your concern lol...

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Oct 24, 2012, at 1:30 AM

So here is an article related to the videos I posted earlier.

Apparently the Mitt Romney group bought Delphi which makes parts for GM. They somehow managed to extort the US Govt for auto bailout funds in the amount of 12 billion by threatening to shut down their plants that made parts for GM. Once they got these funds they then closed down all the plants in the U.S. except 1 fired 25,000 workers and moved these plants to China.

After they bought this company and fired these workers they didnt even pay their pensions and they even paid for ads trying to blame the loss of pensions on Obama and the US govt.

So to sum it up Romney made anywhere from 15 million to 115 million dollars off buying American auto plants recieving and extorting money from bailout funds, then shipping jobs overseas. To top it off the same people he was in business with during this are the biggest contributors to his campaign.

http://truth-out.org/progressivepicks/it...

http://www.thenation.com/article/170644/...

-- Posted by cheesehead on Wed, Oct 24, 2012, at 1:01 AM

news and oklahoma,

Please watch my last video I posted and tell me what you think? I think if mainstream media reports this story on Romney I think he is done. This guy profited off the bailouts by shipping jobs to China. Then he tries covering it up by having the govt check written out to Ann Romney.

http://truth-out.org/progressivepicks/it...

Also on another front Todd Akin has an arrest record and ties to a militia group.

http://www.firedupmissouri.com/content/p...

http://www.salon.com/2012/10/23/todd_aki...

-- Posted by cheesehead on Tue, Oct 23, 2012, at 8:55 PM

"it never ceases to amaze me how the people as a whole have bought into the crap of negative politics....no one ever posts links to articles about how GOOD thier candidate is...only how crappy the other one is...... why is that? I mean, I understand why the money grubbing power ****** who run for office do it....but why does the voting public do the same thing?"-Bohdi

The answer to that one is easy Bohdi, both candidates are lousy. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Oct 23, 2012, at 8:48 PM

BREAKING NEWS - BREAKING NEWS

We now have proof why Mitt Romney wont release his 2009 taxes. Mitt Romney profited off the autobailout which he said shouldnt have happened.

The video shows Romney and friends bought many GM plants and shipped every single job overseas and they cashed a check in Ann Romney's name of at least 15 million and possibly up to 115 million dollars.

http://truth-out.org/progressivepicks/it...

-- Posted by cheesehead on Tue, Oct 23, 2012, at 6:30 PM

News,

Ryan has fell off his rocker because it was him that voted for the cuts to the military if no debt deal is reached. This Romney/Ryan/Fox news ticket is doing nothing but demeaning our status in the world.

-- Posted by cheesehead on Tue, Oct 23, 2012, at 5:23 PM

Gees that Ryan is dumb!!

and he wants us to make him Vice President?

ROTFLMAO

"Ryan: 'I just don't understand' what 'horses and bayonets' means"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/10/23/ry...

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Oct 23, 2012, at 3:04 PM

Obama hammered Romney hard!!!!!

Mr. President, this notes for you sir!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otCpCn0l4...

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Oct 23, 2012, at 5:01 AM

The CBC poll of uncommited voters post debate: 53% Obama, 23% Romney, 24% tie

-- Posted by cheesehead on Mon, Oct 22, 2012, at 11:47 PM

Bohdi don't break your arm patting yourself on the back. I don't think that will qualify as a service related disability. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Oct 22, 2012, at 10:21 PM

"NBC/WSJ poll: Obama leads by 45 points with Latinos"

"Hispanic voters continue to say they prefer President Obama by wide margins over Republican nominee Mitt Romney..."

http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/...

Yeah the dixiecrat tea party attacks on that huge minority of voters, the Hispanics, for the past few years was a real good idea, eh teapartiers?

Again, your chickens are coming home to roost.

Will you dixiecrat tea party folks ever wake up?

ROTHFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Oct 22, 2012, at 5:47 PM

LOL SD!

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Oct 22, 2012, at 5:31 PM

So do we have a pool on what Donald "the Blowhard" Trump's big anti-Obama October Surprise is yet?

Will it be more birther hocus-pocus?

Barack with a joint at age 19?

No...no....wait......

A disgruntled ex-mistress? Yeah, that's it. That sounds seedy enough for Trump.

Do you suppose she will come complete with a stained dress and phone recordings?

At least it will be fun seeing Fox & Friends, Limbaugh, and Beck all soil themselves, foaming at the mouth, and getting all fired up with righteous indignation over whatever lies Trump comes up with here at the last minute.

Hey Donald, if this is so big, why wait until October? Shouldn't you have told us about this supposed "Big, big thing" before now if it's that dang important?

Wait.....that thing on Donald's head is Barack's father. Yeah, that's it.

Or, even better, he found some starving guy in Africa that will say he delivered Barack in a grass hut out on the savanna in Kenya. Yeah, that's the ticket.

This should be good. However, I'll not be putting a lot of stock in a story concocted by an egomaniacal psychopath. I am sure his facts and rationalization will be impeccible. Not.

Never have so many spent so much effort on something so useless as the birther movement. 'Swift Boat Veterans for Truth' anyone?

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Mon, Oct 22, 2012, at 4:26 PM

Mate the dixiecrats (tea party fascists) don't have any money.

They are the Republican Party's poor, retarded cousin that the Republican Party hides in a closet whenever they have guests lol.

That is why the split will hammer them so hard when the big money Republican traditionalists put as much distance as they can between themselves and the dixiecrats.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Oct 22, 2012, at 3:04 PM

News,

I agree that the Republican Party will split into 2 parties, but I do think the Tea Party will do better than you think this election.

In fact, it is because it does pretty well this election that the more centrist (see: sane) Republicans will be the ones splitting off...I hope.

I still have very few problems with the GOP of the 70s and 80s, even though their ideology is partially what led to this mess.

True fiscal conservatism, with some cross aisle cooperation is absolutely paramount to fixing our problems.

I'll take a moderate Republican or moderate Democrat over just about anyone else at this time.

An example of each is John Danforth and Bill Clinton, in my humble opinion.

-- Posted by Interested Too on Mon, Oct 22, 2012, at 2:51 PM

Jason1969

Well mate, don't believe the hype.

Tea party fascists stand to lose pretty bad at the polls this election.

Perhaps this time around those tea party fascists will "get it."

We the People reject your party's fascism. We are Americans. We oppose fascism. We support freedom and liberty.

And that is why come the day after the election the tea party fascist will be scrambling to try to prevent the North Eastern Republican big money from abandoning the dixiecrat tea party fascists.

Your Party is set to lose another election. Your Party is desperate. Your party is about to split into 2 separate parties.

However, not all is lost. You can still enjoy our victory song.

"U Can't Touch This"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otCpCn0l4...

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Oct 22, 2012, at 2:36 PM

IntToo you are wasting your breath with rr3. In my opinion the only reason he would even consider voting for Obama would be if the Lord that is uniquely his, screamed the command into his ear. Even in that absurd circumstance it would bring on the political/religious crisis of his life, and who knows what the outcome would be. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Oct 22, 2012, at 1:50 PM

rr3

I will vote for Obama to keep us from reverting to the problems that got us into the financial bind we find ourselves in. I don't expect much different to happen if Obama gets re-elected as the obstructionists aren't going away.

I do admit that we need to work on the Healthcare Act and streamline it, if that makes you feel better.

Here's another reason. Haliburton hasn't been the beneficiary of a war for 4 years. The way the Republicans are beating the war drums for Libya and Syria, I vote for Obama to keep them under some sort of control. They would bankrupt the U.S for their own profit.

Another reason is that the next president may get to appoint 2 supreme court replacements. I, for one, do not want to see Roe v. Wade overturned, so there is another reason. I understand that you won't agree with this, but about 1/2 of Americans do, so I prefer the status quo on this issue.

There are some reason for you, now you no longer need to wait.

-- Posted by Interested Too on Mon, Oct 22, 2012, at 12:59 PM

Only two weeks left and still.....waiting!!!

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Mon, Oct 22, 2012, at 12:43 PM

InToo it will be a damning indictment of the people of Missouri, and certainly the people of Saline County if they put Akin into the United States Senate.

I can not fathom why anyone of virtuous moral character, and/or any grasp of reality (Akin believes the earth is 9,000 years old) would even consider voting for him.

We shall see.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Oct 22, 2012, at 12:08 PM

This is from "The Nation":

Akin Co-Sponsored Bill to Redefine Rape

(with Paul Ryan)

Akin Was One of 14 in Congress to Vote Against National Center for Missing and Exploited Children

(and he calls himself a Christian)

Akin Was One of Only 11 Members Who Opposed Acknowledging the Positive Impact of Breakfast

(Debatable, but still, only 11 voted that way.)

Akin Was In Small Minority to Vote Against Creating the National Sex Offender Registry

(Hmmmm)

Akin Questioned Spousal Rape Law (We know how this is going to turn out...only legitimate spouses need apply)

Akin Called For End To Federal Student Loans, Compared Government Involvement To "Stage Three Cancer" (I'd like some reform there, but not abolishment)

Akin Said 28 Year Old With No Insurance And Cancer Would Have To Deal With "Consequences From [His] Decisions." (Probably not legitimate cancer)

Akin Compared Children's Health Insurance to the Titanic (He might want to compare his campaign to it as well).

(Comments in parentheses are obviously mine...The Nation was reporting straight up events.)

-- Posted by Interested Too on Mon, Oct 22, 2012, at 11:01 AM

I am just curious as to why some people can read the online newspaper over and over with out having to pay for the $9 monthly subscription. At first it wouldn't let them, but have unlimited access now. An error in the system?

-- Posted by mizufan12 on Mon, Oct 22, 2012, at 10:47 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Difficult to say without more information (which accounts? which pages can they view?). If you have more information, please write to ecrump@marshallnews.com

Lol Democrats shifting to the right that could be further. The new generation is cut throw if your a fellow democrat and don't tow the party line your a target. Also they are selfish Obama has not helped his fellow democrats running for office didn't mention anything about how important it is to win the congressional election... Didn't mention cannidates by name in the speech and really has not help in congressional elections going on. Bill Clinton ran a different campaign especially in his first election run.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Mon, Oct 22, 2012, at 9:51 AM

"BELL TOLLS"

Skylar Wolf

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4ipSguV3...

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Oct 21, 2012, at 7:58 PM

That was precisely my point News. Each of us mentions most often what we can most easily use as a point of reference; whether that be Australia, Oklahoma, or the military.

In other words it was an indirect proposal to Bohdi to lighten up with the criticism of your alleged over use of references to Australia, as it is the pot calling the kettle black.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Oct 21, 2012, at 6:51 PM

Oklahoma Reader

I not only agree with Frank Rich, but I would go further and point out that even the Democrats have shifted strongly to the right.

I did not shift, so naturally folks think my views are extreme.

I agree that conservative policies will continue to dictate American policies -- all of them -- no matter which major candidate is elected. After all, we haven't had a liberal in the White House since President Carter.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Oct 21, 2012, at 5:34 PM

OKR,

How often do you mention the country you live in?

I happen to have 2 countries and sometimes I am discussing something relative to each.

In fact, I wish I had a dollar for every time you have mentioned any of the following:

America

Oklahoma

Missouri

Marshall

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Oct 21, 2012, at 4:36 PM

Bohdi I wish had a dollar for every time you referenced matters military, and for every time News mentions Australia. If so I would have enough money to buy enough Guiness, and good whiskey for all three of us to have a marathon roaring drunk that we would never forget unless we couldn't remember. If it happened I would be sure to bring an extra bar rag just to continually wipe the table drenched by testosterone emitted from you two. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Oct 21, 2012, at 4:15 PM

"The Tea Party Will Win In The End".

This is a thought provoking philosophical look a at our country's political future by Frank Rich. I consider him to be one of the most prescient political writers in our nation. He has been on the money for years, and has the guts to say what folks don't necessarily want to hear, whether it is the ears of the Right, or the Left doing the listening.

Ladies, and Gentlemen, I give you Frank Rich: http://nymag.com/news/politics/elections...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Oct 21, 2012, at 3:45 PM

Thank you CheeseHead for posting that. I was going to include that with my criticism of the piece itself, but thought the better of it.

I have learned from the hard right purveyors of opinion. They always keep it simple, and cover just one point at a time so as not to confuse their target audience. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Oct 20, 2012, at 11:29 PM

In addition to those points Jason the entire article grossly oversimplifies the entire situation. I am tired, and don't want to take the time to pick it to pieces point by point, especially as you would not pay any attention any way. You would just ignore it, and go find some other oversimplified piece that validates your concepts, and misconceptions to comfortably wrap your noggin around. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Oct 20, 2012, at 11:22 PM

Jason,

Your post is not your post it just a repost that is copied and posted on several right wing websites. These websites Ive never even heard of before but looks kinda like stole someone's idea.

This is just spin and not actual data. The truth is that you are looking for reason not to support Obama and your arguments arent supported by facts, so you are just another false witness.

Also your video doesnt show president Obama saying unemployment will be at 5.4%, so Im still waiting for it. Just since Fox says he said this doesnt make it true. It appears you have caught Romnesia which is a Fox transmitted disease.

To the point that your so called post tries to place blame on Dems for wall st bailout. Here is a video of Pres Bush pushing for the bailout.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGZt-hPlp...

-- Posted by cheesehead on Sat, Oct 20, 2012, at 11:16 PM

Jason that article is in my opinion hogwash. Firstly it is my recall that during the 110th Congress Democrats were not a majority in the Senate. There were two Independents that caucused with the Democrats which barely gave them a working majority, if, and it is an important if, the Independents chose to go along. More importantly Bush could veto whatever he wanted to, and the Democrats did not have the votes to over ride any of his vetoes. Ultimately he was in control of his own destiny. If he didn't want something to happen, it didn't happen without Republican support.

There is great danger in forming opinions, or accepting the opinions of others when one is ignorant of important ramifications. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Oct 20, 2012, at 11:11 PM

http://washingtonexaminer.com/team-obama...

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Sat, Oct 20, 2012, at 9:46 PM

Remember that on October 9, 2007, 11 months before our "economic

crisis" occurred (that was actually created), the Dow hit its highest

point ever, closing at 14,164.53 and reaching 14,198.10 intra-day level2 days later. Unemployment was steady at 4.7%. But things were

already being put in place to create the havoc we've all been experiencing since then. And it all started, as this email explains, on January 3, 2007. --LFL

I'm sending this to each of you regardless of your party preferences

because I believe it is something you may not have considered.

This tells the story, why Bush was so "bad" at the end of his term.

Don't just skim over this, it's not very long, read it slowly and let

it sink in. If in doubt, check it out!!!

The day the Democrats took over was not January 22nd 2009, it was

actually January 3rd 2007, which was the day the Democrats took over

the House of Representatives and the Senate, at the very start of the

110th Congress.

The Democrat Party controlled a majority in both chambers for the

first time since the end of the 103rd Congress in 1995.

For those who are listening to the liberals propagating the fallacy

that everything is "Bush's Fault", think about this: January 3rd, 2007

was the day the Democrats took over the Senate and the Congress.

At the time:

The DOW Jones closed at 12,621.77

The GDP for the previous quarter was 3.5%

The Unemployment rate was 4.6%

George Bush's Economic policies SET A RECORD of 52 STRAIGHT MONTHS of JOB GROWTH

Remember the day...

January 3rd, 2007 was the day that Barney Frank took over the House

Financial Services Committee and Chris Dodd took over the Senate

Banking Committee. The economic meltdown that happened 15 months

later was in what part of the economy? BANKING AND FINANCIAL

SERVICES!

Unemployment... to this CRISIS by (among MANY other things) dumping

5-6 TRILLION Dollars of toxic loans on the economy from YOUR Fannie

Mae and Freddie Mac FIASCOES!

Bush asked Congress 17 TIMES to stop Fannie & Freddie - starting in

2001 because it was financially risky for the US economy.

And who took the THIRD highest pay-off from Fannie Mae AND Freddie

Mac? OBAMA And who fought against reform of Fannie and Freddie? OBAMA and the Democrat Congress.

So when someone tries to blame Bush. REMEMBER JANUARY 3rd, 2007....

THE DAY THE DEMOCRATS TOOK OVER!"

Budgets do not come from the White House. They come from Congress and the party that controlled Congress since January 2007 is the Democrat Party.

Furthermore, the Democrats controlled the budget process for 2008 &

2009 as well as 2010 & 2011.

In that first year, they had to contend with George Bush, which caused

them to compromise on spending, when Bush somewhat belatedly got tough on spending increases.

For 2009 though, Nancy Pelosi & Harry Reid bypassed George Bush

entirely, passing continuing resolutions to keep government running

until Barack Obama could take office. At that time, they passed a

massive omnibus spending bill to complete the 2009 budgets.

And where was Barack Obama during this time? He was a member of that

very Congress that passed all of these massive spending bills, and he

signed the omnibus bill as President to complete 2009.

If the Democrats inherited any deficit, it was the 2007 deficit, the

last of the Republican budgets. That deficit was the lowest in five

years, and the fourth straight decline in deficit spending. After

that, Democrats in Congress took control of spending, and that

includes Barack Obama, who voted for the budgets.

If Obama inherited anything, he inherited it from himself. In a

nutshell, what Obama is saying is I inherited a deficit that I voted

for and then I voted to expand that deficit four-fold since

January 20th.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Sat, Oct 20, 2012, at 9:43 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Please cite your source when posting material you did not write. Thanks.

"Bill Maher Mocks Mitt Romney's Women Remarks With Hitchcock's 'Shadow Of A Doubt' (VIDEO)"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNV1TJl49...

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Oct 20, 2012, at 9:00 PM

Hey here is an interesting thought.

How many of our conservative commenters would be willing to sign a Grover Norquist type pledge to oppose fascism, oppose fascist legislation, and support and vote only for candidates that openly pledge to fight fascism in America?

Lol...I bet not 1 of them would sign it. And we all know why they wouldn't sign it.

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Oct 20, 2012, at 8:12 PM

Why does it seem like conservatives run out of answers as soon as the facts start getting laid out for everyone to see?

Will r answer you OKR?

His history indicates he has no answer and for whatever reason, is unable to admit he was mistaken and that the point he made can no longer be used to justify his argument.

How can our Nation move forward out the "middle ages" conservatism has created when 1/3 of the voters cannot even admit when they are wrong and that they have no idea what they are even talking about -- despite the facts?

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Oct 20, 2012, at 7:28 PM

"U.S. civil rights groups ask international election monitors for assistance"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/10/20/u-...

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Oct 20, 2012, at 7:21 PM

rr3/still waiting. Does it say anything in your big book about hell freezing over? ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Oct 20, 2012, at 4:59 PM

Jason you said; "Romney make it better if he is elected I don't know but I do know this he promised hope and change and the citizens may do that hold him to that promise and vote for hope and change...."

But Jason look at what he advocates. It is simply a return to what was done during the eight years of the Bush Administration. Scrutinize it for yourself, don't believe me.

We all want hope, and change, things are a mess. Romney does not bring real change, he just wants to take as backward to what got us started into this mess.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Oct 20, 2012, at 4:54 PM

Jason,

Show us the video where Obama says he would lower the rate to 5.4%

-- Posted by cheesehead on Sat, Oct 20, 2012, at 4:46 PM

"A look at the rise of super-rich 'Plutocrats"

http://video.msnbc.msn.com/msnbc/4948814...

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Oct 20, 2012, at 3:35 PM

Smart Dog

There is nothing touchy feely about Economics mate. Its all scientific theory and number crunching mate.

Yes Economics is a specialized from of sociology which focuses only on 3 human behaviors, Allocation, Technology, and Equity.

Its unfortunate that most people understand Economics about as well as they understand math or biology. Anyway, economic policies matter and economic policies are about 90% of what a President does.

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Oct 20, 2012, at 2:47 PM

I have to say this is the most passionate election in a long time. Rather your for Obama or Romney but I also say this there are some people that are very disappointed with him. Obama he was full of promises like lowering the jobless rate to at least 5.4 percent. Will Romney make it better if he is elected I don't know but I do know this he promised hope and change and the citizens may do that hold him to that promise and vote for hope and change....

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Sat, Oct 20, 2012, at 12:26 PM

This one is for you Smart Dog. :)

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=pogo...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Oct 20, 2012, at 9:55 AM

I have always been taught that economics is more of a social science, much more closely related to sociology than physics.

Therefore, there are many deductions in economics based on that 'touchy-feely' human behavior stuff of psychology than the wonderful hard, cold facts of physics and chemistry.

There is the exception of economic quantitative analysis, however I don't think anybody but the folks actually doing the statistical analysis and stochastic calculus have any clue what the results mean. It is defintely beyond the realm of politicians, and voters for that matter.

Of course the philosophers laugh at all of the above as they dilligently search for proof positive that they have found the truth.

However, all of this is moot in light of what I learned from this months Scientific American, where an enlightening article points out that in America we no longer value knowledge as the driver of progress. We now live in a society dominated by snake oil salesmen, charlitans, and secularists.

I, personally, don't believe we are doomed due to Obama, Romney, or either of their political parties.

We are doomed because we have become a nation of lazy folks who think education and knowledge are too hard and would rather have some leader, or divine spirit, tell us what is right and wrong and what to think. And if that doesn't do it then we just take what the other guy has through force, manipulation, or guile.

Speaking of guile, how the heck can a pitcher win a national league playoff game and never throw a pitch faster than 86 mph? Hats off to Barry Zito, the master of deception from the pitchers mound last night.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Sat, Oct 20, 2012, at 9:26 AM

Lol...mate, the Australian Liberal Party is the Equivalent of the American Republican Party...they are right-wing, conservative.

Besides, my primary vote always goes to the Socialist Alliance first, then Labor.

And please don't make me have to explain how parliamentary elections are conducted.

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Oct 20, 2012, at 2:03 AM

Here is a video about 2 men trapped in 1 body. So is he a liar or does he have multiple personalities.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9njHHyRI...

-- Posted by cheesehead on Sat, Oct 20, 2012, at 2:02 AM

"Moyers and Matt Taibbi take on Wall Street's 'battered wives"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/10/19/mo...

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Oct 20, 2012, at 1:52 AM

"I do not use medications, of any kind. Not even aspirin."-Bohdi

Aha! ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Oct 20, 2012, at 12:11 AM

"Which Side Are You On?"

Pete Seeger

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iAIM02kv...

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Oct 20, 2012, at 12:05 AM

BohdiLi

My personal life is none of your concern mate.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Oct 19, 2012, at 11:37 PM

Still waiting!!

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Fri, Oct 19, 2012, at 11:21 PM

BohdiLi

Is torture the only criminal act you support or are there other extremely serious, violent, inhuman criminal acts you support?

Lol mate, I am learning not to be surprised about the things you think are precious lol lol lol.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Oct 19, 2012, at 11:14 PM

BohdiLi

If you don't like me using the word mate, that is too bad.

I don't take my marching orders from the likes of you mate.

If you don't like my culture, or anything else about me or my comments, don't read my comments mate.

Its that simple.

Also, living overseas gives Americans like me a unique perspective. It is perhaps unfortunate you cannot appreciate that...unfortunate for you that is, mate.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Oct 19, 2012, at 11:12 PM

I suggest dueling pistols at three thousand paces.

Lighten up guys. ROTFLMAO

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Oct 19, 2012, at 10:57 PM

BohdiLi

oh the math is easy mate.

majority of voters = politician in office, political party in power.

When political party = conservative, the formula is as follows.

(Economy x Neoclassical Economic theory) + (draconian, conservative regulation of civil rights) = collapsed economy + dictatorship = masses of poor + handful of rich masters running the government while the People starve.

When that majority of voters elect conservatives, they get get neoclassical economic policies (see American Economic Collapse, 2008 for more on this). That is exactly the same as Hatti. They follow strict "free-market" economic policies. The end result is a whole bunch of poor people and a handful of rich people.

Frankly mate, its not the math that you need. What you need is the empirical (historical) statistical information to get a good grip on that particular prediction.

And listen, here is another you may quote me on,

Even if America became exactly like Hatti today, and you were out rooting around for roots and what not for you daily sustenance, It would have no effect on me directly.

I am not poor...at all. And my wealth is not market-related. The market collapse of '08 had little or no direct effect on my wife and me at all. I didn't lose a single penny and I have not had to work in years mate. Basically I live like a permanent tourist in one of the richest, most luxurious cities in the World on one of the most unique Continents in the World. I never want for anything mate and I never will. In addition, as an Australian citizen, I don't have to live under most of America's draconian laws. Its not me who will suffer mate. However, I do care enough about those who will suffer that I am fully willing to sound the alarm whenever I see the danger.

Unlike conservatives, to progressives America matters.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Oct 19, 2012, at 6:14 PM

Oh mate, I don't care if you think that has validity or not. Its just my personal, and non-expert opinion -- obviously you may disagree with that prediction or any prediction.

However, when it comes to my professional opinion as an economist, I have an excellent record of accuracy. It is indeed based in Econometrics, Calculus, Quantitative Methods, and empirical evidence.

And ya know really, even if a Romney Presidency did produce another 9/11, I doubt you would even admit it was predicted anyway.

Fortunately, I don't think we will have to worry about that after the election anyway lol.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Oct 19, 2012, at 5:49 PM

Is the personal fire arms industry hoping Obama wins? They have reason to do so. http://bottomline.nbcnews.com/_news/2012...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Oct 19, 2012, at 5:13 PM

SD,

Either way mater, the voters always get what they choose.

9/11 attack? -> result of failed conservative foreign policy.

multiple wars? -> result of failed conservative foreign policy.

economic collapse -> result of failed conservative Neoclassical Economic policies.

Great Recession -> result of failed conservative Neoclassical Economic policies.

And the voters definitely get what they deserve.

One last thing, please remember,

Corporations are people too my friend.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Oct 19, 2012, at 3:40 PM

Well, now that desperation is rearing it's ugly head at the GOP, we find Mitt Flopney diving for the middle of the road in his "say whatever it takes to win" campaign.

Mitt's "give me some sound bites without any substance to throw out there, who cares if I'm contradicting myself" methods seem thin to me, but I'm just a dumb farm kid from Missouri.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/201...

I believe Mitt's "I was for it before I was against it and now I'm for it again" stance on almost everything he says is an indicator to me that we have no idea where this guy stands on anything.

One thing for sure, once elected he will be told who to hire for his staff and what to do by GOP party bosses. That is a clear fact of neo-con operation. Anybody itching to put Karl Rove back in the White House?

Additionally, apparently this Republican supporter is not real concerned with voter fraud........he's committing it.

http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washing...

Those conservatives and their antics. Can't wait to hear the neo-con bloggers explain these new revelations.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Fri, Oct 19, 2012, at 12:29 PM

"As others skimp, rich splurge on holiday gifts"

"Wealthiest 10% will spend more than the remaining 90% of U.S. population"

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/49467493#_...

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Oct 19, 2012, at 6:29 AM

"Obama to Jon Stewart: Congress needs to rein in the presidency"

(with video)

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/10/19/ob...

Finally, one of the 2 major party candidates is starting to make sense!

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Oct 19, 2012, at 1:58 AM

Well OKR,

Even the NAZIs and the Stalinists could not keep everyone inside their iron curtains.

There will always be those who manage to make it to freedom.

Perhaps Americans will get tired of the conservative nonsense and do something about it before they are past the point of no return...maybe. This election will decide the matter, for if Romney is elected, like it or not, Americans will learn what the Haitians already know -- there is nothing good about poverty and starvation.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Oct 19, 2012, at 1:35 AM

Me too News. Most of the time I just shake my head, and go on. Then I summon some energy, and say it all again, all the while knowing that such words do not penetrate the amazingly obtuse minds of the American masses.

It sometimes seems to me that like cattle they must be herded, or fenced for they can't think clearly enough to go anywhere without assistance. I think that the political machine of the Right buys that theory, and have fully bought in to herding most, and fencing those others that they can not herd. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Oct 19, 2012, at 1:07 AM

One of the worst horrors of modern warfare is that for years after the battles it kills babies yet unborn. Disgusting. http://truth-out.org/buzzflash/commentar...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Oct 19, 2012, at 12:57 AM

OKR,

I realized the problem a long time ago.

Americans want America to collapse into a Hatti-style economy where 1% live like kings and the 99% learn to live with out food or basic necessities.

I hope my fellow Americans get what they want.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Oct 19, 2012, at 12:47 AM

There is a part of me that almost hopes that Romney is elected, and a whole pack of moron Tea Party Senators right along with him.

The fact that the electorate would even consider voting into office such a group of mental light weights that yammer to return to the same policies pursued by the Bush Administration tells me that John Q. Public needs just such a hard slap upside his head.

If they are elected, and have four more years to steal the middle class blind, rob the poor, the children, and the old; drive our economy into total collapse, and hook us up in another neocon war it may just be enough to shut down their shenanigans for at least forty years.

We the people will be as sick of them as the Greatest Generation became of the earlier version a la Hoover. It took forty years for folks to forget about the Republican Party's total ineptitude that time, and it will be the same again.

After Hoover, and until Reagan came along forty eight years later our government was dominated by center/left coalitions. In that period the Presidency was in the hands of Democrats thirty two years. It was in the hands of Republicans only sixteen years. All of those Republicans were centrists, or center/left by today's standards; Eisenhower, Nixon, and Ford. The political positions that they promoted would have caused all three to be drummed out of today's Republican Party. It is telling that those years of center/left dominance were the golden years of America.

It is baffling that as a group, our memories, and for the younger ones, a grasp of history, is so weak that they do not even consider the points of this commentary. Once considered it seems to be a no brainer that we get back to what was good for us.

I sadly suppose that as a whole, the only way we can learn is to be smacked in the head so hard by the hammer of the right that we are knocked senseless, and only then will be able to reboot our senses.

Go Mitt! Take us to the bottom so that there is no way, but up. Then maybe, when there is only one direction to go we can begin to climb out of the hole we have dug for ourselves. Good grief!

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Oct 19, 2012, at 12:27 AM

SD:

Putting the arm on employees to support the head cheese's political candidates has been going on for a long time. Back in the late 60s the CEO of the ad agency where my husband was in management gave "suggestions" on how much each one should donate to the Republican party.

Personally, I hope the grossly overweight mogul who along w/his "tootsie" wife are building their own version of Versailles does depart for sunny Latin American beaches. He has threatened to close his business if Obama wins. Don't let the door...

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Thu, Oct 18, 2012, at 10:58 PM

In Iowa with approximately 34% voting the state has recieved 110,000 more ballots from Democrats than Republicans. Anybody want to guess whose gonna win this swing state?

-- Posted by cheesehead on Thu, Oct 18, 2012, at 10:01 PM

If anybody wants to see how much Obama is winning Iowa in early voting.

http://sos.iowa.gov/elections/pdf/2012/g...

-- Posted by cheesehead on Thu, Oct 18, 2012, at 9:58 PM

Oh and sorry about the typos. I was in a hurry as I have a trady waiting out front to discuss a price on building a new fence in front of my house (with electric driveway gate thank you very much lol).

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Oct 18, 2012, at 9:27 PM

Oh, and mate, FYI, a non-expert opinion is not equal to an expert opinion. One is is qualified (expert), the other unqualified (non-expert).

Not all expert opinion is mathematically based.

Fortunately, the Field of Economics is.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Oct 18, 2012, at 9:13 PM

BohdiLi,

yes that is correct -- I cited statistical facts. The Dept. of Labor would be more that happy to share their quantitative methods with you. Its not like its a secret.

As to my comment regarding the end result of a Romney-planned and implemented macro-economic policy -- which he has based entirely on the Neoclassical Macro-Economic Model.

Neoclassical Theory has a math problem right away. This is because in order for it to stimulate movement along the IS/LM curve (Investment-Savings/Liquidity of Money curve) is for 1 X to have 2 or more Y solutions on the Cartesian Coordinate System...and that isn't mathematically possible. It ceases to be a function at that point and becomes useless -- especially in Economic models.

While Neoclassical is useful in terms of some micro-economic applications, it is disastrous when applied to a deflationary or recovering macro-economies.

In fact, the empirical evidence suggests Neoclassical macro approaches have little or no positive effect at all on a deflated, near deflationary, or recovering deflationary economy. The Tax Multiplier is far less effective, mathematically and empirically, than the Keynesian approach of utilizing the Federal Spending Multiplier which is far more effective and is confirmed by the empirical evidence. In addition, the empirical evidence from the 1930's suggests that only a Keynesian approach has the appropriate, minimum strength required to fuel economic recovering in the midst of deflationary pressures.

As I stated in my earlier comment, in my professional opinion, a Romney economy -- which based entirely on the Neoclassical Macro-Economic Model -- will collapse completely within the first 2.5 years of a Romney Administration. In fact my friend, given the current deflationary pressures already exerting themselves on a very slowly recovering economy, the implementations -- even moderate implementations -- of Neoclassical Economic policy with be the final coffin in our economy.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Oct 18, 2012, at 9:05 PM

BohdiLi

Facts are facts mate.

get used to it.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Oct 18, 2012, at 7:15 PM

Well Bohdi I suppose that it is good that on occasion your rational mind is able to over ride your "first instinct" or you would be typecast as a blithering idiot. (It was funny) LOL

That is why some of the statements by the radical right on these blogs are flabbergasting. They lack a rational override to their instincts. Likely that is at least partially due to their enlarged amygdalas. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Oct 18, 2012, at 6:57 PM

FACTS:

Annual Unemployment rate:

1978 = 6.1%

1979 = 5.8

1980 = 7.1

1981 = 7.6

1982 9.7

1983 9.6

Source: Bureau of Labor Statistics, U.S. Department of Labor

http://www.bls.gov/cps/prev_yrs.htm

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Oct 18, 2012, at 4:59 PM

Jason you said "Here is some more research Reagan had a worse economy than Obama yet he turned it around in less than 2 years". I'm calling you on that one.

First because you did not link to the so called research that you mentioned. Secondly because the entire world knows, excepting apparently you and a few others that Obama inherited the worst financial crisis since the great depression.

Why do you guys put forth such unsupportable nonsense? It is time to put up, or shut up on that point, and I suppose you will opt to shut up, for I do not believe that any such evidence exists anywhere.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Oct 18, 2012, at 4:31 PM

I hear a lot of folks comparing Obama'a record to previous presidents in order to highlight his supposed lack of accomplishment. What they always fail to mention is that you would have to go back to FDR to find a president that was left with such an immense mess. At worst the president may have been guilty of underestimating that scale of the mess just as most everyone else was. What's more important to me however is the man seems to genuinely care about civil liberties.

Perhaps our current president has an understandbly different view about civil liberties than all of our previous presidents....a bunch of rich white guys who had never had to worry about thier rights being violated and therefore could never relate.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Thu, Oct 18, 2012, at 4:18 PM

Hey 'Merica, I dare ya to elect Romney.

I double dare ya.

Come on, show the World you are not afraid to commit national suicide.

ROTFLMAO!!!

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Oct 18, 2012, at 1:40 PM

Blogging while drunk usually doesn't yield good results.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Thu, Oct 18, 2012, at 1:02 PM

Jason,

You didnt answer all the questions just replaced facts with opinions. The truth is that unemployment was at 4% when Bush took office and when he left we were in a recession and unemployment was at 7.8% with a total of 4.4 million net jobs lost.

Under Obama there has been a net gain of 125,000 jobs added and that number is low because we were in a recession and you cant find any facts or data that shows any of Obama's economic policies were in effect in the first few months he took office. At the current rate Obama will net over 4 million jobs in his next term.

If I recall correctly Reagan left us with a deficit due to the tax cuts and increased def spending.

Also Jason if u look at the state polls it still has Obama winning reelection. Romney will still need some movement or bigger turnouts than expected to win. Obama is still up in Wis, Mich, Nevada, Ohio, Penn, and Iowa, and New Hamp. So I will post a map to the electoral college and you can do the math, but as the state polls stand right now its 281 obama, 257 Romney. Romney might win the popular vote but not the electoral college.

http://money.cnn.com/2012/09/27/news/eco...

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/...

-- Posted by cheesehead on Thu, Oct 18, 2012, at 12:50 PM

Here is some research for ya Obama has gained 5 million plus jobs on a side not he has lost 5 million jobs. Also here is some more research for you Romney 51 percent Obama 45 percent in a recent poll...Here is some more research Reagan had a worse economy than Obama yet he turned it around in less than 2 years...Oh and you want me to comment on Bush here we go again bringing up Bush the economy was starting to grow then something major happen 9-11 happen thatdecided to do something about Bin laden when he had a chance but oh no Monica needed him or did he need Monica? I grant you Bush should of not gone into Iraq but at least he tried to protect us from islamic radicals and placate them lie Obama.. knocked a recovery out for awhile but oh wait here is thing we could of not gone through that if Clinton would of him when he had the chance and speaking of that the economy started slowing down in the last year of the Clinton white house. Obama is the reincarnation of Jimmy Carter.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Thu, Oct 18, 2012, at 10:53 AM

And, in the theme of GOP political corruption, I present Mr. Sheldon Adelson:

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blo...

This is kind of an old article (last April) but is certainly a component of my distrust of the GOP. Are all you conservative voters out there really sure you want folks like Adelson and the Koch's writing government policy?

Much as the Oil Industry (enabled by Dick Cheney)wrote our National Energy Policy during the Bush Administration, and now you have almost $4 a gallon gasoline and contaminated land and groundwater from unregulated fracking, are we ready to let modern robber-barons write our tax laws, labor laws, and plans to privatize social security?

I'm not, but then again, I'm a big fan of a level playing field. In fact, I'll go one better. I'm a fan of giving an advantage to working class folks at the expense of Adelson and Koch and our other supposed job creators.

The billionaire business owners hold all the cards since they hold the purse strings, much the same as in the days of the robber barons who cared little for the plight of their own workers who were making them filthy rich. That is where the impetus for wage and labor laws came from in the first place.

To give control of our wage and labor regulations and environmental regulations to those GOP contributors who desire a return to a 19th century regulatory environment concerns me to say the least. Who do you think will be writing these laws if the GOP gets control of the government? It certainly won't be us working folk.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Thu, Oct 18, 2012, at 9:30 AM

I'm with you on the pink dresses, upsedaisy. It's a nice touch and am sure the intention was to support breast cancer awareness.

I still wonder if it was a coincidence that they both wore pink, or if one or the other had a hint that the opponent would be in pink so they followed suit (get it....suit...).

Or, how 'bout this one? Perhaps they both had multiple outfits on hand and once they got a look at the other, raced to the dressing room and changed.

Or maybe somebody tweeted and spilled the beans on the choice of outfits. "Gonna look spiffy in my new pink casuals at the auto-da-fe tonight #trophywife"

Not sure why I am discussing this as I really ain't much of a fashionista, but it's more fun than arguing about who was the bigger jerk during the debate, I reckon.

Oh, yeah, and I still don't trust Republicans.

Once again I am appalled by all the bosses threatening their workers if they don't vote GOP. It doesn't take much research on the web to find that the Koch Brothers have attempted to intimidate employees of their various enterprises into voting Republican.

Apparently this is a characteristic of 21st century neo-cons as it is becoming standard operating procedure in businesses across America. Doesn't that strike anyone as sort of Un-American, because it sure does to me?

Also, it's sort of sad when the folks at the top of the management pyramid don't realize that not everyone below them shares their social and political views. Even sadder is that they think such tactics will actually change someone's mind about what they believe.

Reminds me of 2008, when my boss posted notices on the bulletin boards at our workplace that the company was going to go under if Obama won. Amazingly we are still here and the boss has purchased several new toys so we must not be doing too badly.

Of course we are much more likely to go under from other causes, but I reckon it's good to have somebody else to blame if it happens, eh? Sort of let's your management skills off the hook if you can blame the government for your demise.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Thu, Oct 18, 2012, at 7:50 AM

Bohd,

Thats really a non-issue and more of a tea party or religous fringe issue because we have always been allies with Israel and always will be. The fringe on the right try to make President Obama look like an enemy of Israel.

With that being said a war with Iran would be costly in dollars and lives. If Romney were to be president we would add 5 trillion to our deficit in tax cuts and 2 trillion for increased defense spending and a war with Iran would cost at least another trillion or 2. So under a Romney administration we would add over 10 trillion dollars to our deficit in his 1st term.

-- Posted by cheesehead on Wed, Oct 17, 2012, at 11:54 PM

Smart Dog,

Noted the pink dress choice by Mrs. Obama and Mrs. Romney.

Thought perhaps it was a choice made on behalf of breast cancer awareness?

Last Friday, all the service reps at my car dealership were togged out in pink shirts, male and female, save one. He was told to go put on an extra large for a photo shoot to publicize their commitment to breast cancer fund raising.

I hope the poor fella who was swimming in the extra large got to stand on the back row.

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Wed, Oct 17, 2012, at 9:38 PM

Celia Hodes? YES! LOL SD.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Oct 17, 2012, at 9:13 PM

BohdiLi

I have been commenting in this forum for a few years now, to say the least.

I have stated many times about how I feel about Obama and the Democrat right-wing. I don't like them. I don't support them.

Currently I am almost as distant from voting for Obama as I am Romney.

There are other choices as well. In fact, I am very interested in hearing from the 3rd Party Candidates as well.

I want to know what all my choices are before I make a decision as to whom I will cast my vote.

I do think of the 2 fascist parties, the Republicans and the Democrats, the candidate that is the least threat to our nation appears to be Obama. However, I don't base my vote on the "least of 2 evils" argument.

I will cast my vote for the best candidate of ALL the available choices.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Oct 17, 2012, at 7:57 PM

Jason,

Romney is proposing using the same Neoclassical Economic policies as Bush.

Neoclassical Economic policy collapsed our Economy under GB Bush in 2008.

Things are slowly getting better -- much better -- since President Obama introduced Keynesian Economic policies beginning in 2009.

Going back to the same Neoclassical Economic policies that caused our economy to collapse in the first place would be the single worst thing we could do as a Nation and would ensure the final collapse of our ailing economy. If Romney wins, in my professional opinion, the US Economy will move swiftly into a permanent state of deflationary stagnation. The end result will resemble something I can only describe as the US becoming "New Haiti."

If Romney wins, say hello to extreme poverty Jason.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Oct 17, 2012, at 3:53 PM

Jason,

Please do some research and tell us how many jobs were lost in the last 6 months or so of the Bush Presidency. Then do some research of when any of President Obama's economic policies went into effect. Then do some research of jobs gained/lost after his policies went into effect, and most policies dont go into effect immediately after a bill is signed. So give us some answers? Also what was the effective unemployment when Obama took office minus the govt expansion under Bush!

-- Posted by cheesehead on Wed, Oct 17, 2012, at 3:11 PM

Your view on Romney and his beliefs are ignorant plan and simple and I was not referring to the the Republican party I was referring to the Democrat party who have for the record 47 million on food stamps a drop in income for middle class and I effective jobless rate of 10 percent there's your ignorance showing again.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Wed, Oct 17, 2012, at 2:46 PM

SD,

We are fortunate to have such a beautiful, intelligent, cultured First Lady as Mrs. Obama.

I am hoping she will consider a run for the White House herself in 2016. I think she might just win it.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Oct 17, 2012, at 2:09 PM

Regardless of the actual debate, I would say the winner of the post-debate "Who I Want My Picture Taken With" award goes to Michelle Obama.

It appeared that plenty of folks were lining up to get Barack, or Mitt's autograph, after their slugfest. However, the biggest crowd appeared to me to be around Michelle, with her huggin' folks and the cameras flashin' away.

I noticed Anne was glued to Mitt's side and not huggin' up on anyone.

I wonder if they called each other to coordinate the pink dresses? Doubtful, eh?

Does Ann remind anyone else of Celia Hodes (Elizabeth Perkins character) on Weeds?

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Wed, Oct 17, 2012, at 1:28 PM

Unless there is a majority for the Democrats all around,we will still be were we left off! So it don't matter who wins the Presidency they still need the Majority on either sides! So the People better give someone the Ball all the way through. The System is not working for the People! Personally i think they have the Political procedures just the way they want it? This is the Peoples Government,I DON'T THINK SO!

-- Posted by Jo on Wed, Oct 17, 2012, at 1:27 PM

Jason1969

I am not a member of the Republican Party, as you claim in your comment.

I am not a member of the Democrat Party.

I am an independent voter.

I am as yet undecided as to which candidate will get my vote.

You do not speak for me, nor do you have anyway of knowing which candidate I will be supporting -- especially since I have no idea which candidate I will be casting my vote for.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Oct 17, 2012, at 12:53 PM

For you to say that about Romney is ignorant then again News you are for a party that likes to keep minorities in the poor house so I expect those comments from you.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Wed, Oct 17, 2012, at 12:34 PM

cheesehead,

I never gave up the fight the 40 some years I lived in the USA, and I won't give up the fight now either. Our Nation is way too important for me to give up on Her.

And thank you for your kind sentiments. I do appreciate that.

As to your Romney question, I have been wondering about that also. He is Mormon and I bet he has a whole bunch of, technically-not-legally-married-to-him, wives out there...and a few other kids to boot.

WILL THE REAL MITT ROMNEY PLEASE STAND UP?!

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Oct 17, 2012, at 5:32 AM

Does anybody think Romney will release his binders full of women?

-- Posted by cheesehead on Wed, Oct 17, 2012, at 1:49 AM

news,

You keep speaking the truth dont let the haters get to you. I can tell by your post that you care more about this country than most people. I havent really been posting much in the last few months, but I see some people are still allowed to make personal attacks.

-- Posted by cheesehead on Wed, Oct 17, 2012, at 12:29 AM

Oh and may I add that who you vote for is your concern.

As for me, I still remain undecided. I am interested in hearing what the 3rd Party Candidates have to say on the issues.

Romney and all other Republican office seekers who appear on the 5th District are, however, off my list of possible candidates for office.

All the Republicans have to offer is fascism.

Thanks but no thanks!

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Oct 16, 2012, at 11:34 PM

BohdiLi

I am an American citizen, born in Kansas city, MO., raised in Marshall, MO. and Chicago, Il.

I have every right (see 1st Ammendment of the US Constitution) to speak out on the election, hold and express an opinion, and to cast my vote in the district where my American residence is located (Independence, 5th Congressional District) -- 1 vote, Just like you -- no matter what soil my boots happen to be standing on.

I choose to exercise my rights under our Constitution, thank you very much.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Oct 16, 2012, at 11:18 PM

Watch Anderson Cooper Destroy The Romney/Ryan '6 Studies' Tax Plan Myth In 4 Minutes

http://front.moveon.org/watch-anderson-c...

-- Posted by cheesehead on Tue, Oct 16, 2012, at 5:58 PM

Jason,

Romney doesn't stand a chance of winning this election mate.

He never did have any serious chance to win because he is a Republican.

The only People voting for Romney are Republicans and there are not enough of them to elect Romney to the office of dog-catcher, much less the White House.

I hope the Republicans will take their psychosis medication after the election this time, 'cause they clearly are out of touch with reality and the American People this time around.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Oct 16, 2012, at 3:30 PM

Romney finally releases the details of his tax plan, here is the link. http://www.romneytaxplan.com/

-- Posted by cheesehead on Tue, Oct 16, 2012, at 1:05 PM

Early voting in Ohio and Iowa has Obama up nearly 2 to 1 and Romney wont win if he loses these states which means its probable that democrats are showing up to vote at record numbers, but only time will tell for sure, but its looking good for Obama in those 2 states as Iowa is one of the few states where Democrat registration is higher than Republican registration.

-- Posted by cheesehead on Tue, Oct 16, 2012, at 1:02 PM

Going bold Romney wins by landslide.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Tue, Oct 16, 2012, at 10:54 AM

Lyin' Ryan, at it again.

"Soup kitchen operator blasts Ryan photo op: 'He did nothing"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/10/15/so...

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Oct 16, 2012, at 1:55 AM

"Nonpartisan report: Ryan Medicare plan hurts Florida seniors the most"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/10/15/no...

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Oct 15, 2012, at 7:39 PM

Good stuff News. See ya later.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Oct 15, 2012, at 12:03 AM

Well OKR, I find that if I am busy...or rather appear busy, my better half leaves me alone. Fortunately, there is enough home maintenance to keep me busy till I drop dead.

And speaking of dropping dead,...

...my all time favorite musician/showman is the late, great Johnny "Guitar" Watson.

The guy had an incredible career in blues, jazz, R&B, and is the Father of Disco.

And Johnny was a showman to the end. He dropped dead while playing his guitar and singing on stage in front of thousands of fans, who said he was dead before he hit the stage floor.

What a showman! A true artist to the very end.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Vucxv6Gn...

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Oct 14, 2012, at 11:51 PM

Hey News good to see ya! I was tiring of the semi-soliloquy I appeared to be stuck with tonight. Read a bit, post a bit was becoming irksome.

I have not considered you to be sociopathic either. I think Aussie Wife is wise to keep an eye on you though.

I don't know what I would do with out my wife. I am dependent on her to yank my chain, and bring me back to reality from time, to time. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Oct 14, 2012, at 11:16 PM

"Is Anarchism an Idea Whose Time Has Come?"

http://www.alternet.org/visions/anarchis...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Oct 14, 2012, at 11:05 PM

Yeah, lol, psychopaths, Aussie Wife is an expert on them.

No kidding, she has read every modern book written on the subject, and yep, wouldn't ya know it, she does hold a Masters Degree in Psychology.

So guess who her favorite test subject is?

Yeah, li'l ol'me.

She says I am not a psychopath, but I have noticed she keeps a close eye on me.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Oct 14, 2012, at 10:51 PM

Why none of us have any idea who the next President will be. http://www.democraticunderground.com/100...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Oct 14, 2012, at 10:33 PM

A defense of psychopathy in some frames of reference. Very interesting. See if you have an "aha!" moment about someone you know as you read this. http://www.salon.com/2012/10/13/how_psyc...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Oct 14, 2012, at 10:21 PM

"The Self Destruction Of The One Percent"

A thought provoking commentary of interest to left, right, and center, with historical antecedent. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/14/opinio...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Oct 14, 2012, at 8:11 PM

He is called lyin' Ryan for a very good reason -- he is a known liar.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Oct 14, 2012, at 1:55 PM

Meanwhile, back in the land of actual facts.

Apparently Biden was wrong during the debates.

Paul Ryan has requested stimulus funds for his home state 4 times, not 2.

And then there are all those requests for funds from the EPA. The same EPA that Ryan says is worthless and should be eliminated.

Why all the requests for EPA money back home if it is such a worthless branch of government, Paul?

The link shows actual copies of letters sent by Ryan to the EPA obtained through the freedom of information act where Ryan is asking for our tax money to help his supporters.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/109858723/Paul...

I am not saying that requesting EPA funding for projects back home is bad. What I am saying is that Paul Ryan is a misleading hypocrite.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Sun, Oct 14, 2012, at 9:08 AM

Jason,

An anonymous blog post from someone named "sundancecracker" seems to be to be a little thin on the credibility scale.

Then there are the links to the "conservative2conservative" and "Romney/Ryan" campaigns included with the body of the article.

You might want to develop a little more stringent criteria for resources that you use to support your arguments.

Then there is the 'mountain from a molehill' aspect and the lack of any evidence of government payouts, only the statement with no facts, quotes, or evidence. And what is misleading is that the supposed payoffs were from the Bahrain government, not the Obama administration.

Personally I can't tell if the article you linked is showing concern for torture in Bahrain, or just trying to manufacture something against Obama out of thin air.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Sun, Oct 14, 2012, at 9:01 AM

"Documentary: 'America the Gutted' -- What Happens When the Middle Class Disappears?"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/10/13/do...

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Oct 13, 2012, at 3:07 PM

Jason1969,

And are they manipulating Australian media as well?

Is it a big International conspiracy?

Could it be the UN Agenda #21?

Enquiring minds want to know!

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Oct 13, 2012, at 12:00 PM

You talk about fox being bias how about this for being bias.....State media. http://beforeitsnews.com/blogging-citize...

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Sat, Oct 13, 2012, at 10:55 AM

"Killing The Kids Who Don't Need To Die"

http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/12022-...

Both candidates in the next debate need to be asked over, and over until they each give a straight answer, what real changes will happen in Afghanistan between now, and 2014 when we are scheduled to pull out? And, why are we killing the kids who don't need to die for transitory gains, if in fact there are gains of any kind, in another year of boots blown up by IEDs, and by so-called friendly troops. At least get both of the jerks on record so we in the future can look back, and scorn them for their ignorance, callousness, and cowardice. Neither one has the guts to call it what it is, a senseless failed exercise no longer necessary, justified by nebulous reasons.

Will that happen, of course not. Today's mainstream press has no more courage than the candidates. LBJ famously said that the Viet Nam war was lost when Walter Kronkite turned against it. We have no such lions in the press today. We are left with a bunch of inconsequential "news" readers.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Oct 13, 2012, at 12:41 AM

OK, well I watched both the debates, O v R and B v R.

Frankly, at this point, Republicans asking me to vote for R/R is a rude and insulting gesture.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Oct 12, 2012, at 3:30 PM

Thanks SD for proof positive (not that I didn't already know it) that Paul Ryan is an ignorant oaf, and a parroting idealologue regarding foreign policy.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Oct 12, 2012, at 1:30 PM

A lighten up moment for all; left, center, right, or really out there. If you don't smile at least once when viewing this you are in need of some serious therapy. I have heard many of these answers at blue collar taverns in Marshall many years ago. http://www.parenting.com/video-kids-2012...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Oct 12, 2012, at 1:14 PM

A nice perspective on the VP debates.......unless you are a Paul Ryan fan.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arch...

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Fri, Oct 12, 2012, at 12:56 PM

...and I am independent -- I am supporting no-one.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Oct 12, 2012, at 12:54 AM

Yeah, I don't let CNN, or any other corporate-owned media make my decisions for me nor do I allow them to develope my opinion for me.

I decide what I think -- not corporate news.

I know what I saw.

I saw lyin' Ryan hammered by Joe Biden.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Oct 12, 2012, at 12:50 AM

The CNN poll sampled more Republicans than Democrats with 2% more Republicans , but a CBS poll of undecided voters say Biden won the debate 50% to 31% with 500 surveyed.

-- Posted by cheesehead on Thu, Oct 11, 2012, at 11:50 PM

BohdiLi

Well mate, the Champ was in fine form today/tonight.

The Champ came in with dazzling foot-work while he pummeled Lyin' Ryan with ease for most the first round, culminating with a devastating triple hook to Ryans jaw followed by a powerhouse to Ryan's breadbasket just before the bell.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Oct 11, 2012, at 10:13 PM

Go Big Joe Biden!!

That's how its done champ!!

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Oct 11, 2012, at 9:24 PM

Here is a video of Mitt Romney stating he plans to give a 20% across the board tax cut. The only way his plan wont create a bigger deficit is if the economy grows vastly and he closes every tax loophole for the rich.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UH3XnqPIn...

The TPC a nonpartisan group which did a study of Romney's tax plan states he cant give that big of tax cut without raising taxes or adding to the deficit.

http://articles.marketwatch.com/2012-06-...

-- Posted by cheesehead on Thu, Oct 11, 2012, at 6:42 PM

Here is my results from the Quiz

I agree with

Obama 90%

Jill Stein 90%

Rocky Anderson 71%

Gary Johnson 39%

Mitt Romney 18%

Take the quiz yourself at http://www.isidewith.com/

-- Posted by cheesehead on Thu, Oct 11, 2012, at 6:15 PM

Good one, Cheesehead. I reckon by the time the election gets here, Romney/Ryan will be volunteering to preside over gay marriages and offering to drive women to Planned Parenhood themselves, eh?

The GOP Doubletalk Express will be operating under full steam from tonight on as they were so handsomely rewarded in the polls following the Romney frat-boy fib-fest first debate.

And on to another topic that should make rr3's day. That Obama Big Bird commercial is one of the stupidest political ads I have ever seen. I realize it is the product of one of those lovely Super PACS, but how bizare that they don't realize they are shooting their candidate in the foot. Did they not realize that all Barack needed to do was look and act presidential and it was a lock?

Sheesh, Obama was winning in a landslide. All you had to do was not do anything stupid to give the other side any traction. Maybe it was too easy so they decided to let Mitt catch up.

Once again I am reminded of the words of Will Rogers, "I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a democrat."

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Thu, Oct 11, 2012, at 4:02 PM

Oh these numbers have been questioned for the last 4 years but now even the lefty media is having trouble swallowing them.

What about the Libya lies?

STILL WAITING FOR A VALID REASON TO VOTE FOR O!!

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, Oct 11, 2012, at 3:05 PM

Here is a website that matches the issues you support up with a candidate. While Im sure they have to update this site a lot due to Romney's ever changing postions if they can even keep up.

Its worth noting that Missourians that took this poll agree with Obama more on the issues followed by Gary Johnson, then Jill Stein, then Mitt Romney. So everybody should take this poll and share their results with us!

http://www.isidewith.com/

-- Posted by cheesehead on Thu, Oct 11, 2012, at 2:56 PM

rr,

Its 114k plus 86k in revisions. We have added jobs for 31 months straight and now 1 month before the elections you take the Fox news line and question the numbers, but Fox news and the righties have quoted these numbers from the Bureau and never questioned them untill it get under 8%.

Be prepared for some lies and changing of poilicies tonight from Paul Ryan as they seek out the women's vote. So RR be ready to support a more moderate candidate after tonight.

-- Posted by cheesehead on Thu, Oct 11, 2012, at 2:35 PM

Shazaam it's magic. We add 114K jobs and the number unemployed dropped by 456K. Shazaam! Doesn't that insult your intelligence? Well maybe not!

O and the regime lied about Libya and nobody is worried about it? Does any liberal care? A released Guantonomo detainee could be responsible for this? Nobody saw the movie? There was no protest? It was terrorism!

No character.

No leadership.

No experience.

No plan.

Does the bleeding heart part of liberalism keep you from denouncing this and calling it what it is?

STILL WAITING FOR A VALID REASON TO VOTE FOR O!!

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, Oct 11, 2012, at 2:06 PM

Back to politics.

So apparently everyone except the voters who still plan on checking the box beside Romney have figured out that his big tax plan is all smoke and mirrors.

The linked article sheds some needed light on why Mitt is so tight lipped about details of his "20% tax cut for everybody but it won't cost the government any revenue" plan. It doesn't add up. No how, no way.

One of my favorite quotes from the attached link:

"William Gale, who co-authored the TPC study, compares the debate so far to an attempt by Mr. Romney to claim that he can drive from New York to Los Angeles in 15 hours without breaking the speed limit."

I suggest reading the article for anyone who has questions about Mitt's plan, or his ability to admit the truth.

Following is the final paragraph for those who don't wish to read it all.

"But it's the sheer tomfoolery that gets me. Mr Romney knows his numbers don't work, but he keeps insisting with bald-faced insouciance that they do, and using the most transparent used-car-salesman-style obfuscation to evade the question. He pulled exactly the same stunt during his debate with Barack Obama last week. Mr Obama charged that Mr Romney planned tax cuts of $5 trillion, and that his proposed limits on deductions could never make up for them. Mr Romney said the $5 trillion figure was wrong because it didn't include the limits on deductions. This kind of sophomoric mathematical double-talk wouldn't have fooled investors in Mr Romney's Bain Capital funds for a second. It does seem to be fooling a fair number of journalists and voters, though."

http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracy...

Btw, those are some pretty smart fellers over there at The Economist. Mostly, no one is going to pull the wool over their eyes. A significantly better source of information than Rush or Fox or Beck, the millionaire talking-head liars club.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Thu, Oct 11, 2012, at 12:48 PM

Cheesehead,

When you are losing in politics, the best plan is to adopt the opponent's stance on issues until the election is over. Romney's GOP handlers know this and are kicking it into high gear.

The remaining GOP lackeys (Limbaugh, Nordquist, Beck, Fox and Friends, et al) will happily remain quiet as they have no problem with telling whatever untruths are required to win an election. "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" anyone? One of the great oxymorons of the Bushies.

I believe we refer to this as the "win at all costs" strategy where winning opens the gates to the kingdom and the ends justify the means.

Politics is an ugly business. Deceit abounds and is why, I believe, the founders had literacy requirements for voters. They thought educated voters would be better at seeing through all the lies surrounding politics. Those poor old white haired gentlemen would be appalled if they saw what our system has turned into in my opinion.

The dichotomy, to me, is that the party of Christian Conservatism, in spite of the fact that supposedly deceit and lying are sins, seems to lean heavily on misconception and untruth to win elections.

So, what we can learn from this is that in the GOP, "the ends justifies the means" trumps their God's word as to what constitutes sin, apparently.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Thu, Oct 11, 2012, at 9:44 AM

Bodhi, you got 'Doran v. KC Board of Police' slightly wrong. No cops were shot. They shot the homeowner, found absolutely nothing illegal in the house, and then took no responsibility for the victims hospital bills, damage to his home, or the fact that the guy, a vietnam vet who lost one kidney but got a purple heart for it, lost his last remaining kidney due to the police shooting him in the back in his own kitchen. That resulted in the guy losing his business due to 3-months in the hospital and a year of recovery.

I am intimately familiar with the case and it was unnerving to say the least.

By the way, my post was not intended to be an affront to you in any way. I enjoy your posts but you seem a little paranoid. Not every comment is about you or yours.

Your comment about meeting the cops at the door with a gun just triggered my memory.

I posted what I know first hand from the Doran case about police trampling individual rights. Since Amendment IV to the US Constitution in the Bill of Rights says, verbatim "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized" I figured you were right in your attitude regarding folks kicking your door in.

I have always wondered where anyone got the idea that no-knock raids based on anonymous tips were a good idea once you read Amendment IV. Gestapo tactics were outlawed by our radical, rebellious founders fortunately, yet we seem to struggle to keep our various government agencies from denying that fact.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Thu, Oct 11, 2012, at 9:30 AM

cheesehead

Obama also passed the biggest tax decrease in American history.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Oct 11, 2012, at 4:14 AM

This question is for all! It appears Mitt Romney is getting ready to flip-flop on abortion yet again. Are conservatives ok with this if it wins him the election? Will Fox news and Rush accept this or will they bash him or just not show coverage of this? I would especially like to hear some conservative comments on whether this would be acceptable or not!

http://www.salon.com/2012/10/10/mitts_ab...

-- Posted by cheesehead on Thu, Oct 11, 2012, at 12:34 AM

Bohdili,

So it seems they have similar plans to social security, but where we should worry is if Obamacare gets repealed and not replaced with anything better. The current Romney/Ryan plan would only protect medicare for those 55 and older, so if we raise the age on social security and subject our elderly to a private insurance system with higher premiums and copays what would this result in? I think if you weaken social security then u should strengthen medicare or vice versa because if not it would be horrible for the elderly.

-- Posted by cheesehead on Thu, Oct 11, 2012, at 12:29 AM

If anybody wants some proof that Republicans helped sabotage our economy here is an article that states that moodys predicted if Obama's jobs plan was passed it would have added 1.9 million jobs here in the U.S and reduced unemployment by 1%, but I know that most Republicans would prefer to believe Fox news over economist so this may mean nothing to them.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/091...

-- Posted by cheesehead on Wed, Oct 10, 2012, at 9:29 PM

rr,

I can give several reasons to vote for Obama!

1. He got Osama Bin Laden the most wanted terrorist in the world.

2. Americans are safer than under Bush.

3. 31 months of private sector job growth.

4. The Repeal of Dont ask, Dont tell.

5. He didnt raise taxes on the middle class.

6. He got us out of Iraq and has plans to get us out of Afghanistan.

7. He helped pass Health care Reform just like Romney did in Mass

8. He fought for women to get equal pay for equal work

-- Posted by cheesehead on Wed, Oct 10, 2012, at 8:59 PM

Uh fella, lets look the numbers.

Number 1:

Your civil or military service has no bearing on your personal political opinion. I have a son in the Navy and his personal political preferences have no effect on his ability to follow orders. And it was so for all of us vets, including the fellas like my nephew who died from Taliban bullets in Afghanistan.

Number 2:

That sink or swim thing, the corporate world would beg to differ.

Large corporations typically move money around from successful holdings ("Cash Cows"} to other holdings that are losing money. They know that holding may reverse performance over the long-term (1 year+) while requiring assistance from the Cash Cow only over the short-term.

Such is common practice in business and contributes to the synergy of the whole.

Number 3:

You say you don't go to doctors...

Yeah today you may not have...but you will be doing so tomorrow, no matter what you think today.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Oct 10, 2012, at 6:56 PM

Oppa!

I mean, "...there are..."

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Oct 10, 2012, at 5:10 PM

Oh and r,

yeah, Obama rates a zero also.

Fortunately their are other candidates on the ballot as well.

As for me, I remain undecided.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Oct 10, 2012, at 5:09 PM

Uh r,

Character? Romney?

Mate, I did listen to the 47% speech -- which Romney thought I would never hear.

On character, I would rate him zero.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Oct 10, 2012, at 5:04 PM

Liberals are beside theirself with o. They have been carrying his water for nearly 4 years and o has not stepped up.

Lack of leadership.

Lack of experience.

Lack of character.

Lack of a plan.

Tell me again is there a reason to vote for o.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Oct 10, 2012, at 2:36 PM

rr3yvo,

Your considerable desperation is unattractive.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Oct 10, 2012, at 2:08 PM

By the way o lied to ALL of the American people, all 300+ million of us.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Oct 10, 2012, at 1:51 PM

How come there is no outrage on this Libya attack.

O said it was a spontanious attack and we find out it was planned and they know about it before it happened. O lied.

O said it was because of a film made by some American and we find out that wasn't true either. O lied.

We were lied to by o and the regime for days after the attack while he went to a fund raiser in vegas, letterman show, beyonce and jz. We also find out today the white house made all this up.

He lacked leadership.

He lacked experience.

He lacked character.

He lacked a plan.

If o is not impeached as an embarrassment to the dem party then he will be soundly defeated on Nov 6.

Now come on now please give me a reason to vote for o.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Oct 10, 2012, at 1:49 PM

A man of character who sat out the Vietnam War draft years in Paris.

Who attended private schools his entire life and as the son of the President of General Motors never had to actually put in a days work ever.

Who presided over the closing of many factories and businesses, shipping jobs overseas while lining his own pockets.

And who loves America so much he keeps his money, and the majority of his income, overseas.

Who has never actually started and run a successful business, just bought and sold them.

He's some character alright.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Wed, Oct 10, 2012, at 1:14 PM

rr,

I will give you 2 of the 4. Romney does have executive and Business experience and was sucessful in the amount of profits and getting health care reform.

However his plans are forever changing and no details whatsover have been giving and he has no leadership ability at all. To be a leader you have to be able to set an example and you dont do this by lying to 50 million Americans.

-- Posted by cheesehead on Wed, Oct 10, 2012, at 12:42 PM

1. Experience in business and management and has been successful at both.

2. Has executive governing experience.

3. A man of character and proven leadership.

4. A man with a plan.

If you were on an interview board for the job of president would any of these be good reasons to vote for a candidate? It boils down to 4 words: EXPERIENCE, LEADERSHIP, CHARACTER & PLAN. We only have on candidate with these characteristics.

Now give a valid reason to vote for o.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Oct 10, 2012, at 11:59 AM

Hey News - I usually get my information from you and OKR; glean some from rr3 and some from the cheetah and some from grandma dorothy ... I mean NanaDot ... Anyway - just a question and not sure what I got was an answer.

-- Posted by gentle ben on Wed, Oct 10, 2012, at 11:26 AM

Give me a reason to vote for Myth Romney.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Oct 10, 2012, at 11:21 AM

So I am still waiting for that one good reason. Why would you vote for someone if those voting for them cannot tell you why?

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Oct 10, 2012, at 10:38 AM

Yeah Ben.

Apparently, the secret, secular, socialist agenda has now been codified,

I take it you are familiar with the UN Agenda #21?

Yes, its a new day in America Ben.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Oct 10, 2012, at 8:29 AM

If you really want to know what will happen to you when the police kick your door in in the middle of the night I suggest you research Doran v. KC Board of Police in Federal District Court records.

You will find that the police will shoot you down where you stand and will not face any consequence even though they may be at the wrong house, or have a warrant based on nothing more than an anonymous tip to a 1-800 phone number.

If you come out with guns-a-blazin', you might take a few out, but you will then be remembered as a cop killing criminal, again even if they are at the wrong house or are there under fictitious pretenses.

This occurred several years ago, long before Obama. It is quite chilling when you realize that law enforcement is no longer required to be concerned about any rights you have as a private citizen what-so-ever. Thank you "War on Drugs" and "War on Terrorism."

Our supreme court, at one time, enforced something known as the "knock and announce rule" which basically stated that the government had to give you a chance to surrender before kicking the door down and opening fire. That went by the wayside following 9/11, and our preoccupation with meth.

Whatever rights we had left as US Citizens then disappeared with the Patriot Act brought about the last time the GOP had total control of our government.

Funny, the party of "Freedom and Liberty," and "small government with less intervention in your life" proposed and then passed the most oppressive legislation in history.

Then neo-cons brought you the biggest increase in government payroll with the Department of Homeland Security (sorry, but that just sounds totalitarian to me, Stalin would be proud) and the Transportation Security Administration (security theatre that costs billions anyone?).

Why is it the job of the federal government to protect customers and property of one private business? Shouldn't the airlines be required to provide their own security? I don't see the feds providing security for any other private businesses. How is that in any way a conservative principle?

Sorry neo-cons but I still like my chances with Dems in charge better, although neither party seems to have anything but their own survival at heart.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Wed, Oct 10, 2012, at 8:04 AM

Ben,

That depends, where do you get your info usually? Maybe start there.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Oct 10, 2012, at 7:48 AM

Hey Y'All

Any word on the possibility of our government allowing the United Nations to tax the citizens of the US? Maybe businesses, large corporations, and energy companies? Thought I heard something about that ... If it's true - do you think the UN has that authority and do you think they have the right to do that?

-- Posted by gentle ben on Wed, Oct 10, 2012, at 7:45 AM

BohdiLi ,

Sadly, you sound like far too many gun owners these days who can't seem to wait for a "justified" reason to blow someone away.

Amercia has an unhealthy gun fetish both literally and figuratively.

I would be interested to know where you get your information that spells out such doom and gloom. Could you give us some specifics about which freedoms the president will take away? By the way, that statement is far more true if Romney wins and you are a woman.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Oct 10, 2012, at 6:09 AM

I find it hilarious when the tea party starts threatening civil war.

They have no army, no navy, and no chance of winning anything.

They have no defensive and no offensive capacity beyond their erroneous belief that "1 rebel is worth 12 yankees", sort-to-speak. And Lincoln won't be around to pardon them for treason this time around.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Oct 10, 2012, at 4:21 AM

"Why Dummies Want to Forget the Tea Party Ancestry"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiaI63pBm...

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Oct 10, 2012, at 3:04 AM

Bohdili,

First you try spread propaganda that the extreme fringe of the right which is usually the racist wing by stating your scared of a civil war if Obama is reelected.

Then you add to this hatred by calling him a jerk in your post and that someone as liberal as him might take away our freedom.

Im afaid your not good at masking your hatred for this man but when you do you seem to say its justified because you seek freedom or due to our lack of freedoms. My question is to you and what freedom have you personally lost and how has this affected you?

For some reason I think your ok with govt telling women whether they can have abortions or not or your employer being able to pick and choose what drugs are covered under your private insurance plan. I also suppose your ok with Govt intrusion to foster businesses and protect the wealthy at the cost of the middle class.

-- Posted by cheesehead on Wed, Oct 10, 2012, at 12:21 AM

Myth Romney...lol...

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Oct 9, 2012, at 9:25 PM

rr3yvo,

You keep harping for ONE good reason to vote for Obama. If I give you one will you change the channel?

Ok, deal? One good reason...ready? You, rr3yvo are ONE good reason to vote for Obama.

Now it is up to you to provide us ONE good reason

to vote for Myth Romney.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Tue, Oct 9, 2012, at 8:31 PM

The sad part is, Charlie Fuqua represents todays modern, mainstream, conservative-fascist.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Oct 9, 2012, at 8:00 PM

There are really surreal things going on in Arkansas. Charlie Fuqua legislative candidate advocates the death penalty for rebellious children. Says it is based on God's law. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/08...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Oct 9, 2012, at 7:39 PM

It is likely no one would even know you were a prisoner Bohdi if you were unlucky enough to survive the attempt. You would be an excellent candidate for extraordinary rendition.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Oct 9, 2012, at 7:17 PM

Lol...I reckon I was on my way out anyway OKR...lol.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Oct 9, 2012, at 6:01 PM

You forgot to mention that the President can also have any American citizen shot upon his command to do so even though no charges have even been filed against the citizen. Be careful what you say Bohdi, you too News he can also come get you.

Me? I'm gonna shut my mouth right now. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Oct 9, 2012, at 5:36 PM

BohdiLi,

I thank goodness every day that I emigrated to Australia.

We have socialized medicine, a healthy economy, the South Pacific Ocean, the Southern Cross, democracy -- and a Prime Minister who has the courage of a lion.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Oct 9, 2012, at 5:25 PM

Still waiting for just one, single valid reason to vote for o. Just one, how hard can it be? I am thinking those voting for o don't even know why they are voting for him.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Tue, Oct 9, 2012, at 3:11 PM

rr3yvo,

I don't know any libs who deny god but they do feel that "god" has postively no place at all in our politcal process. I believe that is stated in one of our historical documents somewhere.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Tue, Oct 9, 2012, at 7:14 AM

Jo you got me thinkin' when you compared Raytown Bill, and rr3. Maybe they are one in the same?

It was several years ago that Bill was banned. He may be a bit more mellow now though spouting the same nonsense. It would be an easy thing to change e mail addresses, and account name (you don't have to show I.D.) starting all over.

J.J. Gates ran under several names until he was banned. One, DAGates pops up once in a while with a line or two, to this day.

'Fess up r, are you Raytown Bill? Where were you on June 13th, 2008? Do you have any witnesses to that? ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Oct 8, 2012, at 11:49 PM

Something for nothing!!! Interesting? Why does a liberal always promise to give you something that is not theirs to buy votes? Is this so they can feel good while denying God, legislating against the will of the people and keeping a percentage of the populace dumb enough to accept it?

I have heard many reasons to not vote for Romney. I have also heard that o has a plan but have not heard it. Still waiting for a good reason to vote for o.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Mon, Oct 8, 2012, at 11:22 PM

SD,

Yes I agree, both Mr. Romney and Mr. Ryan have been caught lying quite a number of times now, and then there was the "47%" video.

I am in the percentage of voters Mr. Romney says he needs, but how can any independent support a team of known liars?

I can't.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Oct 8, 2012, at 4:07 PM

At this point, News, the GOP strategy has become "just say anything you think somebody wants to hear" in order to try and get Romney elected.

They are flip-flopping at a record pace.

Kind of like the old Saturday Night Live skit with the pathological liar......."Yeah, that's it......yeah, we love the middle class, yeah.....that's it.....the middle class.....whatever it is you want, that's what we are going to do.......yeah......that's the ticket."

The fun part is listening to all the GOP supporters that I know say things like "Romney just needs to say whatever it takes to win the election."

Doesn't that make him a liar?

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Mon, Oct 8, 2012, at 3:53 PM

As an undecided, independent voter, I am shocked by what I have been hearing from Mitt Romney and the entire Republican Party.

That team is just plain ol' crazy.

I doubt we independents will be able to vote Republican this time around.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Oct 8, 2012, at 3:31 PM

Once upon a time there was a little lemming named Leonard. He was a lonely little lemming. One morning he had been slow to wake up, no, let's just say he had over slept. Upon arising he noticed that his whole lemming family was gone. He searched everywhere, but could not find them. Leonard was very sad.

Leonard saw a donkey, and asked the donkey, "can you give me one good reason to not just march to the nearby seaside, and throw myself off the cliff?" The donkey, worried about Leonard's state of mind, gave Leonard a reason that seemed reasonable. Leonard said, "No, I am going to hurl myself off the cliff".

Leonard the lemming walked on until he saw a yellow dog. Leonard asked the yellow dog to give him one good reason why he should not march to the seaside, and jump off the cliff. The yellow dog gave Leonard two reasons why Leonard should not jump off the cliff. Leonard said, "No, I am going to hurl myself off the cliff".

Leonard then made a right turn, and walked on. He saw an elephant. Leonard thought that the elephant must be cold, because it was shaking, and wrapped (very tightly) in a donkey skin. Leonard asked the elephant to give him one good reason why he should not march to the seaside, and jump off the cliff. The elephant was even more worried about Leonard than had been the donkey, or the yellow dog, for he had felt much the same, and had been close to doing just that himself. Then he had found the discarded donkey hide, put it on, and immediately had felt more secure. The elephant did not intend to wear the hide always, just until things got better. So the elephant gave Leonard the lemming three good reasons why Leonard should not jump off the cliff. Leonard said, "No, I am going to hurl myself off the cliff", and that is just what he did.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Oct 8, 2012, at 1:08 PM

BECAUSE HE IS NOT A REPUBLICAN!

(Sorry to shout, but I thought maybe rr3 couldn't hear it the first 10 times as he keeps asking a question that has been answered multiple times.)

Then of course, there is the apparent reality that in the world of rr3 this justification is inadequate.

So, on that assumption, I'm here to tell you that there is a large, significant group of voters in America that do not, in any way whatsoever, trust the GOP to do anything at all that is good for anyone but themselves.

This mistrust is very, very well supported by their records over the past decade.

-I have yet to see any democrat bring about anything as egregious as "The Halliburton Rule" in the 2005 Energy Policy that gives one single company a free pass from The Clean Air Act and Clean Water Act for fracking.

-Tax rates on upper income folks are at historic lows already, and the party that constantly complains about government deficits and the national debt, wants to lower them more.

-The shameless blending of religion and politics as a method of voter manipulation for personal political gain. Deceitful at best.

-Issues important to women, such as what they can or can not do with their own bodies, equal pay, and such. Not much need to further explain where the GOP has gone off the rails here.

-Cost cutting? The GOP controlled congress and white house brought you the Department of Homeland Security and the Transportation Security Administration. The largest expansion of the federal government payrolls ever. Plus, two totally unfunded wars, one of which was completely unnecessary, unless you were a Halliburton stockholder. Fiscal restraint? What a joke. Period.

-Then there's good old Mitt. When it comes to just about any of his policies, he's done more flips than a Russian gymnast.

So all that being said, I find I would vote for just about anybody ahead of just about any republican these days. As soon as I can find a true fiscally conservative republican, who stays out of our bedrooms, and who knows something besides the party line and what he was told to say by GOP handlers, I might vote differently.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Mon, Oct 8, 2012, at 8:33 AM

"Hugo Chavez Wins Re-Election In Venezuela Presidential Vote"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/07...

Felicitaciones al presidente Chávez. ˇViva la Revolucion!

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Oct 8, 2012, at 2:38 AM

Willard Romney is just another slick used car salesman on a sub standard car lot. He is pushing an old junker that every one complained about for eight years, and darned if nearly half the people aren't jumping up, and down to buy it.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Oct 7, 2012, at 11:18 PM

Jason, Jason, Jason, do you not know that Warren G. Harding has traditionally been ranked at or near the bottom of lists of Presidents? The last thing we need is another Harding. You know though, you may be on to something. Maybe Willard M. Romney would be another Warren G. Harding, if so our nation would have a hard time surviving his presidency.

Even though I know I am scooping sand against the tide here is another link offered to help you understand history. http://mauialmanac.com/2008/08/24/us-pre...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Oct 7, 2012, at 10:56 PM

Jason,

I am an Economist mate...at least that's what it says on my diploma, and I can assure you that neither Harding's application of Neoclassical Economic theory to Macro-economic policies nor his isolationist policies did much more than place the pavement on our Nation's road to the Great Depression of the 1930s.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Oct 7, 2012, at 9:08 PM

If your all honest we know that Barrack's plan has failed in the last 4 years, William G Harding has a worse economy yet turned it around in 18 months why don't you all study him and see what he did to help turn this country around?

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Sun, Oct 7, 2012, at 6:46 PM

News,

I can give lots of good reasons to vote for Republicans this year. First off lets start with Mitt Romney because now that he won the Republican primary we get to see a new Romney with new policies its just like starting all over just wait till next debate new policies and a new man. He also added Ryan to the ticket whose philosphy is based off a Russian atheist which is exactly what we want.

Then on the Republican ticket we have Akin who finally after all these years speaks the truth about abortions and informs us only women who lie about being raped are the ones who will have to give birth and supports doing away with the min wage and its about time thats only number.

In general the Republicans are wanting to do just what we ask with our tax dollars and by this I mean taking medicare away from the senoirs taking pell grants from students, removing funds from public school system, cut funding to the epa and pbs and giving this money to the rich people and oil companies so they can help feed and clothe everyone that needs it. What else could we ask for? Its a good thing we got a news organization like Fox news to help push for the people's interest.

-- Posted by cheesehead on Sun, Oct 7, 2012, at 6:26 PM

r,

We know Obama's plan.

What is Romney's plan?

So far I have heard him in the GOP primaries preaching laissez faire, aka "free market" capitalism -- which requires a market economy free of any and all government regulation --- and now he is changing his economic policy to that of guided capitalism -- which requires government regulation of the market place.

Since when does flip-flopping on the issues add up to a plan?

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Oct 7, 2012, at 5:04 PM

Thanks OKR,

My Grandson is more stable now and seems to be getting stronger everyday.

And yeah, I am back. lol...

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Oct 7, 2012, at 4:53 PM

Good to see to see you back News. I hope that all ended well.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Oct 7, 2012, at 10:47 AM

Sadly rr3 no one can give you a reason to vote for Obama. "Give me this, give me that", you Tea Party people are always asking something for nothing. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Oct 7, 2012, at 10:45 AM

Can someone give me a valid reason to vote for o? Anybody?

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sun, Oct 7, 2012, at 10:22 AM

Vote for O to spite me!!! Now that's hilarious. Is that a definition of an informed voter or one that wishes to only listen to lib media that lies and keeps the voter illiterate.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sun, Oct 7, 2012, at 10:21 AM

OKR,

As an independent voter who remains as yet undecided, I can tell you that I am having great difficulty finding any good reason to consider any Republican. Frankly, as Akin and Romney (and Gingrich, and Bachmann, and Santorum, et el) have proven over and over again, the Republican Party has lost touch with the People and with reality.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Oct 7, 2012, at 2:45 AM

More from The Clown Congress in Washington. This would be hilarious if it was not so darn scary. But then that's the way with clowns.

Representative Paul Broun (apparently he can't even spell Brown correctly) Republican Representative from Georgia, and a ranking member of the House Science Committee says that evolution, and the Big Bang Theory are "lies straight from the pit of Hell". He also believes the earth is around nine thousand years old.

By the way Todd Akin the moron from Missouri is also on the House Science Committee. Sheesh.

Why are those knuckle draggers allowed to have any thing to do with our nation's governmental positions on science? Because Republican leadership in the House placed them there, thats why. Is there any reason a rational person votes Republican these days?

Those idiots should have been assigned to a special committee only, along with any others like them...say a committee to determine the density of darkness, unaided by lighting, or any other products of science. They should have been forced to meet every moment the House is in session in a closet at the House cloak room; then allowed to pull a string signaling "present" on every House vote. ;) http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/06...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Oct 7, 2012, at 12:52 AM

taxedpayer,

Thats a good observation and point. I keep hearing these people point out the fact that real unemployment is higher. Well this has always been the case no matter who is in office the real rate is and always been higher, but they use the same numbers as every other administration has used.

Then we hear its due to seasonal hiring, but we never hear any of these same people say that we should deduct some of the job losses that happened in the first few months after he took office because they were seasonal workers. I say a good report is a good report and the honest truth is that most of these people would have rather us lost 200,000 jobs instead of gaining them because they care more about having power and their party members being elected then they actually care about our country and its people.

-- Posted by cheesehead on Sat, Oct 6, 2012, at 6:26 PM

Bodili,

I can see your new to this forum and you should actually read the articles you post. There is a difference from telling a lie to mislead people, so you dont have to answer questions about your real policies and being off on your numbers.

About the % of the deficit and who is accountable Obama is quoting the Dept of Treasury who estimated 12% of the deficit under Obama and Obama said 10%. He was off 2% and politifact took the CBO's estimation which was 18%. So, actually the Dept of treasury was off 6% not Obama.

About Health care cost rising, but at a lower rate Obama was absolutely correct on this statement. There is no absolute proof of what is to blame for slowing of health care cost but an assumption that the recession is to blame, which could very well be true. But this could be his opinion. I havent seen a study that shows this either way.

-- Posted by cheesehead on Sat, Oct 6, 2012, at 5:49 PM

On a lighter political note I want to share with you the following, penned by John Cleese, whom many of you will remember as a mainstay of Monte Python. Enjoy. http://www.medepage.com/blog/2012/03/14/...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Oct 6, 2012, at 10:47 AM

It's weird. Some conservatives are questioning the unemployment figures now that the rate has fallen below 8 percent. Manipulation, they say. But when it was 8 percent or higher, they apparently trusted the numbers. OK, I guess that's not too weird. Bad numbers = bad news for obama. Good numbers = good news for obama. So it's not actually job growth they want. It's credit for job growth. that's partisan politics for ya. (If there was a Republican in the White House, liberals would say the same thing, I bet)

-- Posted by taxedpayer on Sat, Oct 6, 2012, at 7:10 AM

Hell no they don't really care Bohdi. Sounds like you have chosen "evil of lessers" over "lesser of evils".

To me Obama is the lesser of evils, but I likely won't vote for him. The only choices on the ballot here in Oklahoma are the two lessers, with the foregone conclusion that Willard Romney will win the state in a landslide. Last time Obama did not carry a single county in the state. My vote won't count.

My biggest problem is that the corporate pirates who have ruined our nation financially, for the first time are brazenly presenting one of their own (WMR), to run our nation....further into the ground. And the American people not only stand for it, they likely will go to the polls, and vote him in, leaving the booth with an appropriate idiotic grin on their faces. Stupid is as stupid does.

Even if he doesn't get enough votes; ballot tampering, electronic, and otherwise will put him over the top.

Democracy defined: 1.free and equal representation of people: the free and equal right of every person to participate in a system of government, often practiced by electing representatives of the people by the majority of the people

2.democratic nation: a country with a government that has been elected freely and equally by all its citizens

3.democratic system of government: a system of government based on the principle of majority decision-making.

Democracy? There has not been one of those archaic things around here in quite some time. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Oct 5, 2012, at 11:49 PM

Just wonderin' Bohdi, ignore if you choose to do so, do you have a lot of flash backs?

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Oct 5, 2012, at 9:25 PM

Do you reckon considering all the lies that Willard M. Romney tells, that it is his magic underwear that keeps his behind from burning as he runs around with his pants on fire? ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Oct 5, 2012, at 7:45 PM

Here is just one lie from Mitt Romney during the debates as he said 2o million will lose their Health care coverage due to Obama care.Liar Liar pants on fire!

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/...

-- Posted by cheesehead on Fri, Oct 5, 2012, at 6:37 PM

rr3yvo,

I am going to vote for Obama simply to spite you. Thank you for giving me a reason.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, Oct 5, 2012, at 5:59 AM

Obama the debater: Making Jimmy Carter look awesome

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012...

"Not since Jimmy Carter faced Ronald Reagan has the U.S. presidency been so embarrassingly represented in public."

Then o telling everyone today that wasn't the real Mitt Romney on stage. More embarrassing!!!

The only thing that would have been better if Mitt was up there by himself talking to an empty podium. Some of you will get that.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Fri, Oct 5, 2012, at 12:44 AM

Is Hugo, o's campaign manager?

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/10/04/...

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Fri, Oct 5, 2012, at 12:20 AM

I assume Bohdi as Romney is even less politically experienced, and has no political capital in Washington that he won't work either.

Remember that he was the least favored emotionally by the primary voters, and won basically because the clowns in the race all did pratfalls from which they could not recover; excepting Ron Paul whose honesty relegated him to a niche candidacy. Huntsman was probably the best candidate in the field, and certainly the better Mormon. The Republican body politic, much closer to a lynch mob, than anything more cerebral than that never even saw him.

Is this a case of pick your poison, or do you have a third party in mind?

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Oct 5, 2012, at 12:17 AM

Guess you missed the debate.

Give me a reason to vote for o.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Fri, Oct 5, 2012, at 12:15 AM

Mitt Romney has officially lowered the standard for Presidential candidates from here on. First of all he doesnt release his tax return. Then he shifts most of his positions before his presidential run then he shifts them more to win the Republican nomination.

Now he has lied to Republican base to get support and now is shifting his positions back to middle.

So now we should forget which party affiliation we have and stand up for the integrity of this process because never in our history have we had a man with such disregard for our processes. First he used lies and his money to participate in character assaination of his Republican collegues during the nomination process and now he is using the same method trying to win the general election. We should all pray this man doesnt get elected because many will choose the same path as this man.

-- Posted by cheesehead on Fri, Oct 5, 2012, at 12:13 AM

You will be waiting forever rr3. Blinded by hatred you wouldn't see a reason if it hit you in the face. Quit asking.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Oct 5, 2012, at 12:02 AM

'UH'

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/here-is-...

FUNNY!!!

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, Oct 4, 2012, at 11:57 PM

Willard M. Romney would bring the economic, and political destruction of our nation.

Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Oct 4, 2012, at 10:01 PM

AND o IS NOT????????????

Still waiting for a reason to vote for o.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, Oct 4, 2012, at 11:43 PM

But why would anyone in their right mind want to bring in a President who has announced to the world that he will bring back the same policies of the Bush Administration? Good grief!

Willard M. Romney would bring the economic, and political destruction of our nation.

Bohdi I am beginning to think that you live for sturm und drang. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Oct 4, 2012, at 10:01 PM

I think Obama has accomplished quite a bit with very little help,from both sides! That's why he should have another term! Like Okla said, Roosevelt had more time! That's why i think the President,(if wanted by the People),should have that opportunity too continue to run as long as needed! Without that the People lose! If things are going well for the People, why change thing? But they all have to have the Majority too accomplish anything, anymore!This is all a game to the Politicians not accomplishments for the People!

-- Posted by Jo on Thu, Oct 4, 2012, at 3:14 PM

I would like to hear why you would vote for who after listening to the debate last night. Romney give several reasons to vote for him but did o give any?

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, Oct 4, 2012, at 2:07 PM

So if your assumption is correct then all Dems are libs!! Interesting!!

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, Oct 4, 2012, at 12:10 PM

Well said SD, but a waste of breath. You might as well be speaking to the Queen of Hearts, or perhaps the Mad Hatter.

One doesn't so much engage in dialogue with the Irrational Right as conduct a constant crusade correcting misinformation, and miss-speaking. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Oct 4, 2012, at 10:35 AM

"Where did I say Democrats are a worse enemy then terrorist?" -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Oct 3, 2012, at 12:23 PM

"Liberalism is our worst enemy followed by our national debt then terrorism now that is sad." -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Tue, Oct 2, 2012, at 11:26 PM

Sorry, r3, I took the liberty of equating liberalism with the Democrats. If you don't feel that the Democrats are the promoters of liberalism then it certainly does not come through that way in your posts and perhaps you should clarify your position there.

You must admit, though that in your Oct. 2 post, you state that liberalism is our worst enemy, right? Followed by the national debt and terrorism, right?

So, if A is greater than B, and B is greater than C, A is greater than C.

Or maybe this will make more sense.

If A>B is true, and if B>C is true, then A>C is also true.

Anyway, you said it, not me.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Thu, Oct 4, 2012, at 9:53 AM

Obama was himself he showed how disengaged he is in time of crisis. Even Obama couldn't give us a reason to vote for him. His only hope for reelection is to keep his voting base illiterate of the facts.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, Oct 4, 2012, at 6:16 AM

You do know rr3 that Franklin Delano Roosevelt is nearly unanimously judged as one of our greatest Presidents? He inherited a mess from Republicans, had a Congress to his liking, and still had not pulled us out of our economic woes at the end of his first term. Why would you think that Barak Obama could pull us out of the same kind of mess in his first four years? Especially as, unlike Roosevelt he did not even have a Congress of the same party.

Everytime, you members of the Irrational Right expect the impossible recovery, after leaving an impossible mess. Then cry like babies when Daddy Democrat doesn't fix it for you right now. It would be just as well if you all would shut up, stomp your feet, and yell WAAAH! over, and over. You would be delivering the same message as always with out wasted words. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Oct 3, 2012, at 11:47 PM

rr3: You and Raytown Bill could be great buddies. You have the same thought pattern,you could be the same Person! You couldn't change his mind either, about a NO good Politician,even with evidence! Hang in there you may get it right one day!Try not to feel bad when Obama is your next President!

-- Posted by Jo on Wed, Oct 3, 2012, at 10:45 PM

Sorry to say Obama looked like a School boy being reprimanded for doing something wrong! He better get over that,and be himself! I think he gave better specifics of what he wants too do,NO SPECIFICS FROM ROMNEY,LIKE ALWAYS!

-- Posted by Jo on Wed, Oct 3, 2012, at 10:13 PM

You said r; "Under Obamanomics neither ss or medicare will survive and if you think so then you are fooling yourself." LOL r, both will survive longer than you, or me...maybe even if Willard M. Romney is elected. Tone down the hyperbole buddy, you may give yourself a heart attack. Fear can be a dangerous thing.

After the election we will each wake up the next morning, and go about our business. The sky isn't falling, not immediately anyway. :)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Oct 3, 2012, at 5:51 PM

You are losing it r, you said what I said was an outright lie. Try liar, liar pants on fire next time. ROTFLMAO. Go to Politifact ole buddy. Oh that's right you don't trust anyone, but Rush Limbaugh.

You basically called me a liar, though I'm sure you will try to weasel out of that too. ROTFLMAOx2.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Oct 3, 2012, at 4:58 PM

Born in the dark, and still in the dark huh r? :)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Oct 3, 2012, at 3:31 PM

rr3yvo,

You are desparate and trying way to hard. Do you need a hug?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Oct 3, 2012, at 3:00 PM

Do you really think that o got over 700 billion form medicare by eliminating fraud? So now he can apply this savings to obamacare? Do you really believe that? Man I may have been born at night but is wasn't last night.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Oct 3, 2012, at 2:51 PM

Under Obamanomics neither ss or medicare will survive and if you think so then you are fooling yourself.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Oct 3, 2012, at 2:45 PM

That is an outright lie okr check the facts before you believe your left wing propaganda. They are not giving you the facts but that don't matter does it?

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Oct 3, 2012, at 2:43 PM

Two very good reasons to support our President in the next election are that he will fight to save Social Security, and Medicare. His opponents will not. I know r that you don't get it, but you better believe it that most of the electorate does.

Barring rampant right wing voter fraud that will carry the day for Obama.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Oct 3, 2012, at 2:14 PM

How come when unemployment was 5% under Bush we were in a recession and for the last 3+ years of unemployment over 8% we are in recovery?

How come when gas prices went up under Bush it was all we heard from the lib media and now that gas prices are double what they were under Bush we don't hear nothing about it?

How come during the war in Iraq we were told the death count daily in fact several times a day and now the deaths in the war in Afghanistan are hardly reported or hardly noticed since we now have a surrender date?

How come there was such an outrage about not finding WMD's in Iraq but not when o lied to us for 8 days about the attack in Libya and tried to blame it on an American?

How come 'fast and furious' is tied to Bush when o started it? Bush's program 'wide receiver' was abandoned 2 years before o took office because they knew it wouldn't work.

Why are the libs trying to convince us this is a new normal?

Now give me a reason to vote for o.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Oct 3, 2012, at 2:12 PM

Don't vote for him. Let it go.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Oct 3, 2012, at 1:58 PM

Still waiting for a reason to vote for o.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Oct 3, 2012, at 1:35 PM

rr3yvo,

You don't have to vote for Obama. That's the beauty of it.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Oct 3, 2012, at 1:15 PM

Rules OF Engagement With RR3

Rule no.1: All questions that are addressed to him must be considered rhetorical. Save yourself frustration, as he considers all questions to him rhetorical, thus he answers none.

Rule no.2: All questions addressed to him must instead be considered a request to change the subject.

Rule no.3: Do not ask r to respond to the content of a link you have provided. He does not read them because he already knows everything, as he got it first from Rush.

I think if we all just keep these new rules in mind our dialogue will go swimmingly, at least from r's point of view. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Oct 3, 2012, at 12:29 PM

Where did I say Democrats are a worse enemy then terrorist? Even when you make clear and succinct statements the point is missed. To move terrorism up the list it needs to be more important than the next fundraiser or letterman or beyonce or jz unless of course your plan all along was to cover it up because of failed policy. They denied numerous requests for more security. Does o think alqueda is dead because osama is? Does he think apologizing is going to make them like us? Even if o gets reelected and we are in economic ruin and have a third world lifestyle they will still hate us. It won't matter how much race baiting and hate mongering this president spreads around.

Still waiting for a reason to vote for o.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Oct 3, 2012, at 12:23 PM

"Liberalism is our worst enemy followed by our national debt then terrorism......." -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Tue, Oct 2, 2012, at 11:26 PM

So, Democrats are more of an enemy than terrorists? Really? One must be pretty far gone down into the bowels of Rush Limbaugh ideology to make a statement like that.

And the national debt is a more significant threat than terrorism as well? This was stated following a rant regarding the killing of American diplomatic staff by terrorists. Not following the logic there.

Once again, it is difficult to take what is said seriously.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Wed, Oct 3, 2012, at 10:00 AM

Turning your question back to you r, other than not Obama why should we vote for Willard Romney? Follow up question: What is he stating that he will do that is different from what was done by George W. Bush for eight years?

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Oct 3, 2012, at 9:42 AM

rr3yvo,

You're a little hysterical don't you think?. Take two aspirin and suppress some votes, it'll make you feel better.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Oct 3, 2012, at 5:49 AM

"the middle class has been buried since 2008" VP Biden campaigning for Mitt Romney.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Oct 3, 2012, at 5:42 AM

Any of you women see o's campaign ad that stated, "vote like your lady parts depend on it". Is that demeaning or what? Oh maybe you don't get it! Doesn't matter just vote for o because your parts depend on it. Not to worry though it wasn't up long before they pulled it.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Tue, Oct 2, 2012, at 11:36 PM

Still waiting???

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Tue, Oct 2, 2012, at 11:26 PM

You say O will keep us out of more wars. Really! How many Americans will have to die on his watch before he will have a spine to do something about it? How many will die in Afghanistan between now and our surrender date he was so wise to give our enemy. I don't know what worries me more, is that o would get 4 more years or living with the people that would vote for him. Liberalism is our worst enemy followed by our national debt then terrorism now that is sad.

Why do you let this man lie to you for eight days about what happened in Libya? They knew it was going to happen. Why were our marines not allowed live ammunition? All I hear is pathetic excuses for failure. We can still live in the greatest country in the world, we won't have to apologize for it if we defeat liberalism.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Tue, Oct 2, 2012, at 11:26 PM

rr3yvo,

What are the specific problems that you have had with Obama over the last few weeks?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Tue, Oct 2, 2012, at 8:36 PM

SD

Hopefully that junk engine puffing, and blowing, that is coming up the track from the right will run out of hot air and be sidetracked. Maybe then there will be a new Republican train on the track, one that knows where it is going; one that folks feel as if they may safely get on board.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Oct 2, 2012, at 5:31 PM

You point out another good reason to vote for Obama, OKR. His running mate is not Paul Ryan. Joe Biden may not be the greatest choice, but there is no worry that he will eliminate Social Security or Medicare.

Much as Sara Palin was a real good reason not to vote for McCain, Ryan is only an asset if you need to woo the right wingers who were going to vote Republican anyway.

Interesting strategy to say the least.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Tue, Oct 2, 2012, at 4:01 PM

Have you ever considered r that people of extremist right wing views, having taken over the Republican Party have doomed it? No major party can be successful when it strays far from center. The only way that Willard M. Romney may win is if right wing voter fraud carries the election.

It (the election) is going to be interesting regarding that possibility.

As far as Romney himself goes I know that deep in your heart you don't trust him. He is a chameleon who has been all over the map with his positions, discarding them, and espousing new ones. His only consistency is that he is not consistent. A fan of that socialistic health care that he worked his butt off for in Massachussets are you? LOL

If he should become president it won't be long before the hard right is hoping he dies, so the fanatical Ryan can become President. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Oct 2, 2012, at 2:47 PM

Such an anomaly I have never seen.

Apparently there is a blogger who can write, but not read.

Perhaps I was not clear.

The reason many folks plan to vote for Obama is that he is not a Republican. So, there's your reason to vote for Obama, he may not be perfect, but he's better than anything the other side's got.

Heck, I'd still be voting Republican if they had not become the party of country clubbers and religious fundamentalists.

I'm still trying to figure out who has the best interest of us middle, working-class folks in mind. So far I reckon my chances of a fair deal are best with the democrats.

Also, I am with the seniors, quit threatening to eliminate social security and medicare. While I'm at it, quit calling them entitlements, we paid for that stuff with a lifetime of work and payments to the plans so get busy putting all that money robbed from the systems during the Reagan, Bush, Clinton, and Bush II years back in there, dang it. I'll be trusting the democrats to get that done in spite of the GOP.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Tue, Oct 2, 2012, at 2:36 PM

One good reason r of many that you continue to ignore is that he is likely to keep us out of even more wars. You didn't read Conservative columnist Thomas Friedman's column on each candidate's foreign policy did you? Rush is better than Friedman, Will, and all the rest of the proven Conservative sages in your mind huh?

The cases you build have no substance, because they are not predicated on true conservatism. I honestly think that you are clueless as to what Conservatism really is. Continue to live in an uninformed state of being, but don't expect many to join you. There are reasons why you are expressing a singular position here. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Oct 2, 2012, at 2:25 PM

Still waiting for a good reason that Obama should be reelected. I can turn on the leftist news media to hear why Romney should not be elected. I thought maybe someone on here would actually put forth something with substance that would at least make me think that the next 4 years of o would be any different then the last 4. O has not given any reason and the incompetence of the last few weeks have not convinced me either. We are being lied to to cover there own butts and some people refuse to acknowledge it. Some of the lib news media are getting tired of carrying the water for this guy. Just about every inmate in prison will tell you it was not their fault they are where they are at, they want to place the blame anywhere but on them. I have come to the conclusion that the prisons are full of liberals.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Tue, Oct 2, 2012, at 12:19 PM

Nana: im not so sure that Obama has this Election. When he's dealing with the liars and thieves! They are going too through Evey crooked tatic they can find,so Holder and the rest better be on their toe's

-- Posted by Jo on Mon, Oct 1, 2012, at 2:19 PM

The absence of reasonable, and rational thought, and comment by mainstream Republicans on this blog leads me to the conclusion that if any still exist they are in hiding. I tend to believe that most have left the party with a chronic hangover from the eight years of constant destructive celebration occasioned by Bush/Cheney.

As is the case with all really wild parties wherein excess is the norm, those that drank it all in obviously suffer from the black out syndrome. They have no memory of any of it. Thus they, unashamed, remain Republicans, and can not comment when asked about that eight year debacle. Yet in denial of their chronic problem, they refuse to respond with the only honest answer, when asked about it, "hell I don't have a clue".

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Oct 1, 2012, at 10:45 AM

Good points, Nana.

Especially the voter purge thing.

Add that to my reasons not to vote for any GOP candidate.

When part of your campaign strategy becomes to fabricate voter fraud issues and then use those fabrications to purge legitimate voters from the rolls, followed by bragging about doing it in front of video cameras in order to "hand the election to Mitt Romney," well, I am not willing to reward that sort of behavior.

Then there's the birther thing.....

If those are the best things the GOP can come up with to win elections, voter purges and fictious information, then it doesn't say much for their ideology, plans, or strategy, does it?

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Mon, Oct 1, 2012, at 10:23 AM

rr3,

I can't understand whether you are looking for fact or opinion regarding why the President should be re-elected so will offer my personal reasons.

1) Becasue the GOP doesn't deserve 4 more years after the blatant disregard for working class America shown over the last 4 years of congressional disfunction from the House of Representatives.

2) Because the GOP has not offered a reasonable candidate who represents the majority of Americans.

Yep, it's the same old "lesser of two evils" rationale for me. It's not that I think the Democrats have all the answers, it's that the GOP has become a party of extreme views regarding most personal issues important to voters.

It's also not so much of a vote for the Democrats as a vote against folks like Todd Akin, and all the other bastions of radical conservatism.

Most folks don't really like extreme views, from either party, even though extremism has made Limbaugh, Beck, Palin, Bachmann, Santorum, Ryan et al millionaries.

So, I think the GOP is going to have to figure out how to be good at something besides manufacturing right-wing millonaire talking heads on television and radio in order to be relevant to the general public again.

The party of conservatism seems to have forgotten the words practical, reasonable, and compromise.

Most Americans have not.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Mon, Oct 1, 2012, at 8:00 AM

Still waiting for a good reason that O deserves 4 more years.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Mon, Oct 1, 2012, at 4:17 AM

Jason, r, and whomever else is of a similar persuasion, do you recall a recent thread that the discussion was regarding Willard Romney's statement that "redistribution has never been a characteristic of America". The response from several whom you call liberals went something like this. Addressing Romney's statement quoted above; Your kidding right? Is not redistribution one purpose of progressive taxation? Is not most of what government does-from agricultural sudsidies to subsidized student loans, to entitlements-the redistribution of wealth from one cohort or region to another?

You guys vigorously defended Willard Romney's statement, disagreeing with the above opinion. Guess who made the above statement? None other than George Will, one of the leading intellectuals of the American Right.

You do not recognize that more often than you are aware, those you call liberals are actually paraphrasing the big brains of the right. I say "more often than not" because you guys are cluless as to what the bright right even thinks. Read this, it is never too late to learn. George Will: http://www.stltoday.com/news/opinion/col...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Sep 30, 2012, at 10:46 PM

rr3yvo,

I'll give you a reason...he ain't Romney.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Sun, Sep 30, 2012, at 10:32 PM

Guess I may hang around awhile this evenin'. :)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Sep 30, 2012, at 10:23 PM

OKR,

I am from Marshall, and like my Dad before me, Marshall is a part of my life -- no matter the ground beneath my feet. I do like reading about what is happening there and staying informed.

In addition, I think many of the folks who comment here are already print subscribers which gives them full access to the online version.

I think your decision to give it a trial period and see how it works out is a good choice.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Sep 30, 2012, at 8:11 PM

You gonna be hangin' around here still rr3 when the price goes up?

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Sep 30, 2012, at 7:52 PM

News, I don't know...I am wavering as to paying $9.00 a month for me, and you to discuss things. If it boils down to that buddy I would just prefer to exchange e mail addresses. :)

I sent the MDN a message a bit ago to see how we work out this payment thing, and the details of it. I want a trial period to start with. If I find that WTF, SC, ND, Slater, r, Jason, X-ray and others are missing, I ain't gonna hang around to talk about the weather, and what street gets paved next Thursday so to speak. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Sep 30, 2012, at 7:50 PM

I am still waiting for a reason Obama deserves 4 more years.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sun, Sep 30, 2012, at 7:30 PM

Nana if you are not here a light goes off on the blogs. It will be interesting to see who remains. I hope that these blogs remain viable.

:# :# :# :# :# R.I.P.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Sep 30, 2012, at 7:10 PM

I spend more than $9 on 1 trip to Mackers.

I think I can afford an online subscription.

Besides, being a subscriber makes us direct customers of the MDN...and that gives us each a little more pull around here...lol.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Sep 30, 2012, at 7:07 PM

$3 a month maybe, but not $9.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Sun, Sep 30, 2012, at 6:39 PM

Yeah, why is it r and Jason's similar political positions, like so many other predominately Southern, conservatives, seem so extreme when compared to those positions taken by conservative intellectuals?

They all support the Republican Party, and yet their respective political/economic views would almost make it appear as they support vastly different political parties.

Could a party split be on its way?

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Sep 30, 2012, at 6:19 PM

The following link is to Thomas Friedman's op-ed today. He has impeccable conservative credentials. He is the son of Milton Friedman who was President Reagan's top economic adviser, and the apple (Thomas) did not fall far from the tree.

Read, and understand what he is saying about foreign policy. The rabid right is out of touch with reality, and Willard Romney, a man of shifting persuasions, and chasms in his cranium who otherwise lacks depth, will say that he believes any thing to curry their favor.

Wake up those of you on the right, and at least listen once in awhile to the sages of your own party. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/30/opinio...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Sep 30, 2012, at 6:00 PM

I don't take any attacks as personal, that is I don't consider that comments are aimed at me. I think that they are often just another form of disagreement with a point I have made.

However I do get perturbed by some comments that I consider an attack (abetted by ignorance, and misinformation) on the very fabric of our nation. It is to those that I respond with vigor, and occasionally vitriol.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Sep 30, 2012, at 5:30 PM

Willful ignorance is dangerous, like drunk driving or giving a toddler a loaded gun. How can you not take that personally? Certain people here try to make legitimate points only to reference websites with laughable credibiliy as a source. That is the epitome of willful ignorance that they take into the voting booth. I take that personally.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Sun, Sep 30, 2012, at 4:44 PM

Who's they?

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Sep 30, 2012, at 4:37 PM

I am going to ask a question why is that it seems when it comes to discussing politics they kind of take it personal like a personal attack? I mean why can't we as a whole respect what other's think or believe without making it personally not saying this forum is doing that. Just wondering in general.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Sun, Sep 30, 2012, at 3:52 PM

Well put OKR.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Sep 30, 2012, at 3:22 PM

"Do libs actually think the American people are as dumb as they are?"-rr3

Response: Only when I get on this blog, and am subjected to the inane comments of Rightists, and the whacky links they choose to support those comments.

I perk up when I consider that they are only a vociferous minority with the chutzpah to have temporarily taken over a Grand Old Party that is fresh out of rational ideas, and that has abandoned its conservative intellectual guides. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Sep 30, 2012, at 11:26 AM

rr3yvo,

Yes. Yes I will blame Bush every chance I get.

Just become someone else becomes president doesn't change this.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Sun, Sep 30, 2012, at 10:56 AM

You have confirmed that facts don't matter because you never address even one of them. Most of the post on here are only about a weak attempt to discredit someone or some organization. If Obama deserves another 4 years tell me all the things he has done to deserve it. That would be a switch. Even the Obama campaign is not running on any achievement of the last 4 years. All the Obama campaign can tell you is how bad Romney is. If Obama gets reelected will you still blame Bush in 2016?

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sun, Sep 30, 2012, at 8:33 AM

Dish Network-channel 215 is right now running some interesting programs this morning:

Currently- Koch Brothers exposed

Next up- Iraq War for Sale and

at 11 am CST- My Favorite- "Outfoxed" Rupert Murdochs War on news.Caution, it is very upsetting to watch.

There you go folks- Check them out

Current TV is a Progrssive Flagship station, so before anyone starts screaming about how they are biased or in the tank-watch Outfoxed because that is how bias rules with almost ALL news organizations. Do we even have non-editorial news anymore?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Sun, Sep 30, 2012, at 8:25 AM

rr3yvo,

Will you answer this or not? You expect us to take "The Americn Thinker" website seriously? Shouldn't you be out somewhere suppressing a vote?

That being said...

I'll pose this question to you once again even though you never seem to answer. How do you expect anyone here to take seriously anything you have to say? You scream about the alledged lies of Obama but never mention the acutal lies of Bush/Cheny and yes, considering the topic they are very relevant. Why do you consistenly overlook those lies? If we are going to "clean house" then let's clean the whole house.

Spare us your manufactured, FOX induced outrage until you are willing to concede that Bush/Cheny should be in prison. President Obama walked into the biggest mess since the great depression and I for one understand that you just can't snap your fingers and make that go away. I am willing to give him time to get more done. This may come as a shock to you but the president isn't that powerful. He will need the help of congress and to be even more frank some good, old fashioned coprorate patriotism. Good luck with that

-- Posted by What the f...... on Sun, Sep 30, 2012, at 7:02 AM

BIDEN BLAMES REPUBLICANS FOR NATIONAL DEBT IN DISCUSSION OF THE 'FACTS'

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/biden-bl...

This is funny and brings up a question. Do libs actually think the American people are as dumb as they are?

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sun, Sep 30, 2012, at 6:46 AM

Obama family 'costs taxpayers $1.4BILLION per year' (that's 20 times more expensive than British Royal Family)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sun, Sep 30, 2012, at 6:26 AM

As the Liberals Turn: When Facts don't Matter

http://concordfactcheck.com/as-the-liber...

Just like having an 'EASY' button!

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sun, Sep 30, 2012, at 5:52 AM

Obama: The Affirmative Action President

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/08/o...

Affirmative Action = Racism

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sun, Sep 30, 2012, at 5:36 AM

OKR,

The Republicans never seem to tire of their little conspiracy theories.

They don't mind spending gazillions of U.S. taxpayers' dollars on their conspiracy theories either.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Sep 30, 2012, at 12:09 AM

Oh yes,and one other take away, that being the weight of the NRA on what is done, or not done about all things concerning guns.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Sep 29, 2012, at 11:41 PM

News thanks for the informative link to Fortune/CNN regarding"Fast and Furious". I doubt any of our colleagues from the Right will read it though it is chock full of information about the matter. After all it is somewhat complex, and short on sound bites that can be parroted.

My takeaway from the information is that it is another SNAFU, in the best tradition of such matters ,that have occurred over, and over in government operations since that acronym was coined around sixty years ago. The F and F story could have been dialogue straight out of Joseph Heller's novel "Catch 22".

To blame Obama for F and F is a ridiculously simple approach taken in my opinion by simple people who can not grasp the full meaning of anything beyond a group of cheerleader's slogans at high school football games; and nefarious individuals trying to influence such simpletons. LOL

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Sep 29, 2012, at 11:37 PM

"The truth about the Fast and Furious scandal"

http://features.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/20...

"ATF gunwalking scandal"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalk...

"Fast and Furious -- Today's Q's for O's WH"

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/201...

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Sep 29, 2012, at 6:09 PM

WTF,

For the record, I am very interested in hearing r's -- and any other conservative's -- view, anytime.

As to the election, Stench and Gilligan have already lost and yeah, I think they know it.

I hope that once the election is over we will see a refreshed Obama ready to get to work and get our Nation back on track.

As to the Republican Party, I believe it will split after the election with the big money North-Eastern Republicans parting ways with the teaparty dixiecrat crazies.

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Sep 29, 2012, at 5:31 PM

rr3yvo,

I'll pose this question to you once again even though you never seem to answer. How do you expect anyone here to take seriously anything you have to say? You scream about the alledged lies of Obama but never mention the acutal lies of Bush/Cheny and yes, considering the topic they are very relevant. Why do you consistenly overlook those lies? If we are going to "clean house" then let's clean the whole house.

Spare us your manufactured, FOX induced outrage until you are willing to concede that Bush/Cheny should be in prison. President Obama walked into the biggest mess since the great depression and I for one understand that you just can't snap your fingers and make that go away. I am willing to give him time to get more done. This may come as a shock to you but the president isn't that powerful. He will need the help of congress and to be even more frank some good, old fashioned coprorate patriotism. Good luck with that.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Sat, Sep 29, 2012, at 10:16 AM

Anyone citing "The Blaze" as a credible source of information is most definitely misinformed.

It is a sad state of affairs when folks resort to Limbaugh or Beck as sources of knowledge. The best you can hope to get from them is opinion; blind, money-grubbing, biased, inflamitory opinion.

I wonder when the time will come that we start to classify political hate speech along with other unprotected speech like slander and inciting riots.

It seems that in real life, you are not allowed to make up and spread information that damages the well being of another, or spread information that is subversive and treasonable.

In political punditry apparently slander, incitement, and treason are ways to become a millionaire.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Sat, Sep 29, 2012, at 9:51 AM

Check your facts news 'fast and furious' is all Obama.

You're right Nixon did resign because then it was a disgrace to lie but not for this president. I guess since facts don't matter to libs then character doesn't either. Makes it easier to deny God doesn't it.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sat, Sep 29, 2012, at 9:44 AM

Oh, that subject, well...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ot3H2xhgf...

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Sep 29, 2012, at 7:37 AM

OK Reader,

Amen. Furthermore, any politician who talks about "going green" but refuses to consider industrial hemp is an incompetent knucklehead.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Sat, Sep 29, 2012, at 7:17 AM

There will probably be someone that will read what I just posted and only see that I put marijuana in a somewhat less dangerous class with alcohol. They will feel compelled to come back with that tired old phrase that it is a gateway drug, and will lead to use of the horrible drugs. That dog won't hunt, and it never did. It was baying at the moon, and never treed a thing.

The establishment caused the gate to truly dangerous drugs to swing wide open. They lied to folks, saying what a horrible thing is marijuana. Folks tried pot, and immediately knew that it was a pack of lies. The establishment erroneously stuck marijuana in the same package with the genuine nasties, making it impossible to get except where the bad stuff was also available. To compound the problem their loss of credibility from the marijuana lies made it much easier for them to experiment with the others. After all Dealer Dude had told them you will really like this (marijuana), there is no hangover, it makes food taste better, you feel good, music sounds better, it even takes away your aches, pains, and you won't be craving it the next day. That is all true for most people. The establishment, by lying about marijuana gave instant credibility to Dealer Dude. Is it any wonder when Dealer Dude told them next, "psst, try this too, it is also good" they believed him. The establishment transferred their credibility to the dope dealers, and are the true manufacturers of the gateway to hard drugs.

Even today the same old fabrications are told to each new generation, maintaining the gateway that they made. Good parents know that you get into trouble when you lie to your kids. Why in the hell would any rational parent allow government to lie to their kids?

Tell them the truth about marijuana. Tell them kids have no business using it. Tell them that it has detrimental effects on immature brains, that is all true. Tell them it is something to only be used responsibly, by responsible adults. In other words, tell them the same things you tell them about alcohol. If we individually, and as a society had from the start, approached marijuana rationally, I believe our nightmarish drug problems in today's world would not be nearly as bad. Our kids would believe us when we, and our government tell them something is really bad, and stay away from it, especially since they would not have occasion to be in contact with the purveyors of hard narcotics.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Sep 29, 2012, at 1:10 AM

Oh for the good old days when all you had to worry about with your kids were alcohol, pot, and magic mushrooms. Next, and more dangerous was hillbilly meth, and urban crack.

Things are getting progressively worse with the drug scene. It is horrifying, to see the proliferation of new designer drugs hitting the market. The scariest part is that some are killer drugs, and that there is no way to stop them. They are cheap, easy to make, and deadly. As soon as one is made illegal, there is a slight chemical alteration made, and another, potentially worse, is legally in the market place.

I hope the new stuff isn't as bad as press releases state. I remember the ridiculous exaggerations about marijuana (still being made in some corners of ignorance) that had no credibility with people who had tried it. About the only hope I can summon is that those falsehoods are being repeated with designer drugs, for I see no way to stop them.

The establishment did our entire society a disservice with the marijuana lies, for they lost credibility with youth that they have never been able to recover. It may be that such credibility will be missed now more than ever before.

http://vitals.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Sep 29, 2012, at 12:06 AM

Funny News. BTW I have long been an advocate of a "None of the above" box on presidential ballots. However I am revisiting that opinion because as divided,and dissatisfied as the electorate is these days we would likely have election after election with none elected.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Sep 28, 2012, at 10:53 PM

"Ron Reagan: Poll truthers smoking 'giant crack pipe' in Fox News green room"

(includes video)

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/09/28/ro...

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Sep 28, 2012, at 7:03 PM

I have no personal bias against Dan/Ann Coulter. In fact I fully support the entire transgender community.

However, I disagree with his/her views on politics.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Sep 28, 2012, at 6:52 PM

Willard Romney is just the latest in a long line of Republican pretenders who have desired to become First Puppet.

From Warren G. Harding forward it has been the rare Republican contender who has been more than a First Puppet. Eisenhower, Goldwater, and Nixon were exceptions.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Sep 28, 2012, at 6:48 PM

r,

I enjoyed "The View" video.

And I just want to on record and say that I fully support Dan/Ann' Coulter's personal life choices and in no way did his/her "transformation" into the woman within him/her have any bearing on my opinions of his/her thoughts.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Sep 28, 2012, at 6:47 PM

Times have gotten hard for anyone who has sunken so far that they quote Ann Coulter about anything.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Sep 28, 2012, at 6:36 PM

News it looks like Jason has ignored the words of Lombardi, and the like. Instead he has taken to heart the instruction of Harry Truman, "if you can't take the heat stay out of the kitchen". ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Sep 28, 2012, at 6:33 PM

What lies about Libya? DO you mean waiting to make any specific statements until they actually had some factual information? Or should they go all FOX news and cry "terrorists" at every possible turn? BTW, when did fast and furious start anyway? And if you want to blame anyone for it perhaps you should look at the NRA.

Come back when you have something of substance to say.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, Sep 28, 2012, at 6:32 PM

rr3yv0

Fact Check:

Nixon was not impeached.

Nixon resigned in disgrace.

Nixon was a Republican.

"Fast and Furious" was a Republican planned operation ordered by and begun under the Bush Administration.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Sep 28, 2012, at 6:32 PM

SCREAMING APPARENT OBAMA SUPPORTER EXPLAINS WHY WE NEED TO RE-ELECT PRESIDENT: 'HE GAVE US A PHONE, HE GONNA DO MORE!'

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/screamin...

This is a classic result of liberal policies. Are they really helping these people by giving them this stuff?

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Fri, Sep 28, 2012, at 6:32 PM

Ann Coulter Causes Mass Hysteria on 'The View,' Whoopi Bleeped...

http://nation.foxnews.com/ann-coulter/20...

Liberals never want the facts if it goes against their agenda. You see it doesn't matter what actually happened. Facts don't matter.

Nixon got impeached for lying. Did anyone get hurt or killed because of it? This president lies about Libya, Fast and Furious, etc. When will liberals hold their own accountable? How many will have to die?

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Fri, Sep 28, 2012, at 6:27 PM

"Winners never quit and quitters never win."

Vince Lombardi

"Nothing is easy to the unwilling."

Thomas Fuller

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Sep 28, 2012, at 5:22 PM

Why so quick to war and so quick to surrender too?

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Sep 28, 2012, at 5:02 PM

Jason,

It's interesting that when you are called out on your comments then that instantly makes someone an "Obama Zombie". As far as I can tell no one here is a Zombie. They are just rational folks who know a line of B.S. when they see it.

In no way, shape or form do I agree with everything the president has done and I would be worried if I did but that doesn't excuse your lack research and willfull ignorance of the topics at hand. You wanna take your ball and go home? See ya!

-- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, Sep 28, 2012, at 4:16 PM

I am tired of talking about my views I am not going to change the way I think or other's, my friend was right an Obama voter is an Obama zombie there could be no wrong that Obama could do to change your minds.....Have a good day and good life its been fun but I am tired of talking to people who are closed minded and basically brainwashed.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Fri, Sep 28, 2012, at 3:48 PM

Fox News, completely biased.

I am tired of conservative bias running our Nation into the ground.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Sep 28, 2012, at 3:30 PM

Jason1969

I think the reason no one can take your opinions seriously is because they probably aren't opinions that were even formulated by you in the first place.

Everything you say sounds as if it were lifted verbatim from a FOX news broadcast or website.

There is an interesting documentary call "Outfoxed" http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0418038/

You should check it out but you probably won't

-- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, Sep 28, 2012, at 8:29 AM

Samuel L. Jackson video tells voters to 'wake the [frig] up' in rhyme"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/09/27/sa...

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Sep 28, 2012, at 5:24 AM

Jason,

I gotta tell ya mate, I think putting those clowns Stench and Giligan in control of the Oval Office would be a bad idea.

Obama is looking better and better as a candidate.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Sep 28, 2012, at 4:09 AM

"Republicans fire voter registration firm owned by Romney consultant"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/09/27/re...

BUSTED!!!

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Sep 28, 2012, at 4:04 AM

Jason you said, "News flash all voter fraud is wrong....Rather Republican or Democrats...Just more rampant with the Dems"

I challenge you to provide proof of that one Jason. I believe you have overstepped your knowlege.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Sep 27, 2012, at 11:18 PM

I agree Jo, Bush, Cheney, and crew should have been charged with multiple counts of war crimes and for spying on the American People.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Sep 27, 2012, at 10:15 PM

JASON: THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION HAD ALL THE INTELLIGENTS THEY NEEDED ABOUT 9/11,AND DID NOTHING BUT BLOW IT OFF! AND THEN BLAME THE FBI THE CIA & ALL THE OTHER AGENTCIES INVOLVED FOR THEIR INCOMPIDENCE, AND THEN OUT ONE OF THEIR OWN UNDER COVER AGENT! THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN HUNG! AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE SHOULD HAVE DEMANDED OBAMA PROSECUTE THEM!THATS THE ONE THING I HOLD AGAINST OBAMA! AND EVEN WITH THAT, HE'S STILL THE AMERICAN PEOPLES CHOICE FOR THE PRESIDENT,OR SHOULD BE, WITH WHAT WE HAVE TO CHOOSE FROM!

-- Posted by Jo on Thu, Sep 27, 2012, at 10:07 PM

Nana: were on too something! Ha! Now, how can we change it? Until we get some Honor back into Politics it will stay the same.Were would you find Honor, in thIS USA?

-- Posted by Jo on Thu, Sep 27, 2012, at 9:51 PM

Jason,

You mean like the way the Republicans lied us into a war in Iraq?

And wow, you talk about a guy who completely blew it, check out Bush. He received a full, detailed report on the coming 9/11 attack, gave no orders, he did nothing except to go enjoy his vacation.

You know the rest of the story.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Sep 27, 2012, at 9:02 PM

And it turns out the Administration knew the attack on our Ambassador within 24 hours they just shot themselves in the foot..What does this means it means they either covered it up because of the elections or they were trying to cover there ineptness in protecting our diplomats, it means that this could haunt the administration all the way to election..How can you trust an admin.? If he is willing to lie about this what else is he willing to lie about?

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Thu, Sep 27, 2012, at 7:38 PM

Why you concern about voter fraud Oklahoma you were probably not concerned about the black panthers doing voter intimidation back in 2008 so why worry about voter fraud now oh wait its because it was a republican doing it. News flash all voter fraud is wrong....Rather Republican or Democrats...Just more rampant with the Dems...

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Thu, Sep 27, 2012, at 7:34 PM

Republican affiliate under criminal investigation in Florida for voter registration fraud. http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/...

What say you Jason, and r?

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Sep 27, 2012, at 7:16 PM

"Court declares 92 Occupy Chicago arrests unconstitutional"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/09/27/co...

Hey cons, remember when you fully supported the police as they violated demonstrators Constitutional Rights?

Your teaparty claimed they wanted to "get back to the Constitution," (their words) but it looks like you ran as far from our Constitution as you could (your actions).

Don't look now, but your hidden agenda is showing.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Sep 27, 2012, at 4:11 PM

I personally think the Media has a responsibility to correct any Lies or out of context remarks when it's reported! How is it that it can be done in this day and age, without something being done? They say its always been done in Politic,Why! Correct it! This is the 21 Century! They were called out with a slap in the face with a Glove,back in the day! Maybe we should go back to that time? At least they had some Gut's!That would stop all this, (Win at all cost)!Or they would Pay with there Life!

-- Posted by Jo on Thu, Sep 27, 2012, at 2:37 PM

"..... and Obama killed our Ambassador...."

Posted by Jason1969 on Wed, Sep 26, 2012, at 5:35 PM

One thing I have learned from reading this blog, Republicans are their own worst enemies when it comes to getting people to take them seriously.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Thu, Sep 27, 2012, at 9:52 AM

Regarding Nana's comment regarding stealing elections, this would be a good place for a nice long rant about how one vote from Kathleen Harris, Secretary of State of Florida, picked the President of the United States in 2000.

So much for the concept of your vote counting. It appeared to me in 2000 that the GOP was quite willing to do anything it took to get control of the White House in time to appoint three Supreme Court justices.

While American voters just stood by and watched, one of our political parties pulled off a democratic coup similar to the one that got Hitler elected dictator.

Oh, yes, and Kathleen Harris was very well rewarded by the Republican National Committee for her service to them. I encourage anyone to read about Ms. Harris's voter purge back prior to the 2000 election. She was a groundbreaking GOP lackey early and was rewarded with a seat in the House of Representatives.

"Harris's purge of ineligible voters in Florida also removed eligible voters. Harris, along with state division of elections director Clay Roberts, and Governor Jeb Bush used an inaccurate ineligible-voter list that eliminated a disproportionate number of non-felon African Americans from Florida voter rolls. The problem went uncorrected for two years despite the warnings and complaints of elections supervisor Ion Sancho, and affected the 2000 presidential election." - Down and Dirty, The Plot to Steal the Presidency By JAKE TAPPER Warner Books

That passed for democracy back then with very little effort on the GOP's part.

Politically very impressive. However, I am 100% sure it was very, very bad for the United States of America.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Thu, Sep 27, 2012, at 9:49 AM

Nana,

I'm with you all the way on the treason thing.

We had conservative politicians going on record saying they would do nothing to help our dire economic status in 2008 because they did not want to support the President of the United States. They were even bragging about doing everything they could to get in the way of any kind of economic stimulus or relief efforts.

So these conservative clowns were quite willing to allow Americans to lose their jobs and homes just so their political party would have a better chance of winning an election.

I stand with the quote I posted from Wayne Swan, Australia's Deputy Prime Minister and Treasury Secretary:

"And there can be few things more alarming in public policy than a political movement which was genuinely prepared to see the government of the United States default on its obligations in order to score a political point."

"Let's be blunt and acknowledge the biggest threat to the world's biggest economy are the cranks and crazies that have taken over a part of the Republican Party," Swan said.

But, somehow, many middle-class American voters blinded by their religion, or blinded by Republican fueled misinformation and outright lies (the value "trickle-down economics," for one) still think that the party which panders to the 1%'ers is going to make their lives better.

Welcome to the 21st century, where the Country Club Republicans, quite willing to co-opt religion, media, or anything else that yeilds an advantage, want to make the rules and the rest of us struggle along in a system that makes the wealthy more so while everyone else slowly slides backward.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Thu, Sep 27, 2012, at 9:37 AM

ND,

Republicans = fascists

Voter suppression is number 14 of Dr. Brit's study, "Fourteen Defining Characteristics Of Fascism."

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Sep 27, 2012, at 4:55 AM

"Name-calling begins as reported rift opens between 'Stench' Romney and 'Gilligan' Ryan"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/09/26/na...

ROTFLMAO!!

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Sep 27, 2012, at 1:39 AM

I think maybe he was 100% red the whole time Jason.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Sep 27, 2012, at 1:21 AM

I had a liberal friend who slowly turned conservative now we sit and talk about nothing..I miss the old times where I could turn him 50 shades of red.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Wed, Sep 26, 2012, at 10:35 PM

AWW an Independent liberal...You probably voted for Ralph Nadder at one point...

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Wed, Sep 26, 2012, at 10:33 PM

Make that, Yes taxpayers, fascist policies don't come cheap.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Sep 26, 2012, at 10:19 PM

"University of California to pay nearly $1 million in deal with 21 pepper-sprayed UC-Davis Occupy protesters"

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/...

Yes taxpayers, policies don't come cheap.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Sep 26, 2012, at 9:53 PM

Personally I believe in Democratic Republics and the freedom and liberty such provide.

"Eyes on the prize"

Mavis Staples

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcE1gkcw5...

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Sep 26, 2012, at 7:15 PM

Jason1969

Egypt had an election. The Egyptian Government was elected.

That's democracy in action.

Get used to it.

Maybe the problem is you Christian Nationalists want us to support fascist dictatorships in other countries that you think can be "controlled" by America.

As to voting for Obama, no, as I have said before I am not a democrat. I am an independent voter, and I have not made a decision as to who I will vote for.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Sep 26, 2012, at 6:08 PM

You fools for Obama....Just keep calling the muslim brotherhood and Al Queada democratic...Open your eyes no matter how we treat them they still going to hate us and Obama killed our Ambassador my god back in June the British envoy suffered an attack by the very same outfit and Obama didn't do nothing about it he is the one in charge and Clinton should resign...OPEN YOUR EYES.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Wed, Sep 26, 2012, at 5:35 PM

Jason

"Extremism"?...oh you mean demands for democracy...I see.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Sep 26, 2012, at 3:55 PM

Jason,

Boots on the ground? Ok. You first. There is no way we can deploy troops everytime a fanatic does something idiotic.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Sep 26, 2012, at 8:21 AM

Btw if you liberals need to me to stick to one subject..Just let me know thought maybe you would be be progressive enough to talk about several issues at the same time, hope you all progressive enough to follow these thoughts.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Wed, Sep 26, 2012, at 8:17 AM

On another different subject here is why and how we should of reacted to the death of our ambassador seems like the Libyan President has a handle on who did this and why..So we should of gotten their permission to bomb the terrorist group responsible for this thus helping him squash a little bit of the extremism that is trying to take root there.

We should provide some boots on the ground to help him set up a security force that is stable. I think we are missing the boat on this one we could actually get a good ally with Libya...

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/09/26/...

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Wed, Sep 26, 2012, at 8:15 AM

A little bit of fear goes a long way.

On a different subject lets talk about how a liberal idea to save money actually cost us billions of dollars Mike Hucklebee summed it up on facebook..

Mike Huckabee

The federal government spent billions of dollars promoting the move to electronic medical records. They brushed aside objections from privacy advocates, saying it was worth it because it would not only make the system more efficient, it would reduce health care costs. So, how's that working out? A New York Times analysis found that the move to electronic records and billing has raised Medicare costs by billions of dollars. It's made it really easy for hospitals to cut-and-paste information from one file to another, and make it look as if patients had much more thorough -- and expensive -- exams than they actually did. Overall, the Times found that from 2006 to 2010, hospitals that got government incentives to switch to electronic records showed a 47 percent rise in Medicare payments at higher levels. I think the moral of this story might be, "Never trust government to decide how to make something cheaper and more efficient."

For more of the Huckabee Report, visit MikeHuckabee.com.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Wed, Sep 26, 2012, at 7:49 AM

Jason,

What is your problem? You just can't wait to start bombing can you? What would you suggest?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Sep 26, 2012, at 6:59 AM

I say that Willard Romney will be selected as this nation's next president despite the fact that he has the lowest favorablity rating of either party's nominee, winner, or loser, in modern history. Note that I said our nation's president, not our president.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Sep 25, 2012, at 11:48 PM

The web page does not display Jason. The link doesn't work.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Sep 25, 2012, at 11:33 PM

I think that Willard Romney will be the next President. Please note that I did not say he will win the election. Here is the basis of my opinion. http://truth-out.org/buzzflash/commentar...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Sep 25, 2012, at 11:31 PM

Michael Salvage summed up what our spineless President did today and he really put it in great words the interview from hell by Pierce Morgan to the Hitler of our our time the President of Iran......http://www.wnd.com/2012/09/savage-spineless-obama-crawled-before-u-n/

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Tue, Sep 25, 2012, at 11:09 PM

We are right in the middle of a Republican thunderstorm at the moment; lots of noise, and flash, but no substance. Sure sounds,and looks good.

I looked out the window a moment ago; there would be more moisture on it from a slobbering auctioneer standing in the next yard.

Maybe if most of the Baptists here in Oklahoma (about a million if you count the back sliders) would jump into a quick prayer God would let out deluge of his healing tears. I sure wouldn't split hairs over whether they were tears of derisive laughter, or sadness. We sure enough need some rain. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Sep 25, 2012, at 10:52 PM

My wife just reminded me that there was a famous rat named Willard. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Sep 25, 2012, at 8:51 PM

The only Willard I have ever known that could get anything going was a Willard battery. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Sep 25, 2012, at 8:49 PM

According to some Mormons Willard Romney has sullied the face of Mormonism with his remark that it isn't his job to worry about nearly half of Americans. Mormons are supposed to put the needs, of the poor, and needy first. If he betrays his faith, does anyone think he won't betray the American people?

Willard Romney, now that has a familiar ring to it. It sounds a lot like Calvin Coolidge, or Herbert Hoover. Expect the same results too.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/25...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Sep 25, 2012, at 8:47 PM

Paul Ryan turns his Tea Party philosophy upside down, and blasts scab referees in NFL. Urges return of union refs.

Aha! When it is his ox being gored, he is all for the Union guys. Is this an admission that scabs don't do a good job? ;) http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Sep 25, 2012, at 2:08 PM

Thank you news. Although we have different opinions you have always respected mine. I have respected yours also even when I don't always show it.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Tue, Sep 25, 2012, at 1:27 PM

Well said Terry M. I am of a mind that unless there is documentation of voter fraud to a degree that has some chance to effect election out comes, that voter I. D. laws are superflous. There is no such documentation. Thus there must be some other reason for the drive to establish them.

Why disenfranchise some elderly, and urban voters to correct a non-existent problem?

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Sep 25, 2012, at 1:06 PM

Jason, I'm of two minds regarding voter ID laws. As a man with a solid gray beard, I seldom have to produce any kind of ID to purchase alcoholic beverages. There aren't many twenty year olds with full gray beards to go with a salt-and-pepper head of hair.

Voting, however, is a different story. For the purchase of alcohol, the only purpose of the ID is to establish a minimum age of the purchaser. For voting, the ID establishes that the individual is the name on the computer printout of registered voters. This is different.

As a small-town guy for the first 40 years of my life, I can't imagine an adult without a driver's license, unless they are physically disabled or lost that license due to traffic violations. Once a person has a driver's license, the swap to a non-driver ID is simple on surrender of the license, so it would seem that nearly every voter would already have their photo ID.

But living in the big city for the last 20 years has given me a different perspective. There are many among the poor that rely exclusively on public transportation, an option not available in small towns. These people have no money for a car or car insurance, but they still have the right to vote.

I guess that I support the concept of a required photo ID, but I have a lot of trouble now with the implementation. It will be interesting to compare voting rates before and after ID implementation where those ID requirements are new.

-- Posted by TerryM on Tue, Sep 25, 2012, at 10:00 AM

r you said; "I think o has activated the dormant conservative voter." Don't fall out of your chair, but I am in agreement with you.

Where we likely differ is why that is so. I think just as O has activated the black vote, he has also activated the counter-black vote. Say what we will we can not ignore that race remains an issue in America. It remains the unsavory side of our heritage.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Sep 25, 2012, at 9:57 AM

As News and Gentle Ben note, "insult" is a broad and subjective term, commonly used by just about everyone to justify taking offense to just about anything.

So here's what I mean by it: Comments directed at another person that are clearly intended to disparage, belittle, besmirch or express disdain for the target's character, morals, intelligence or physical characteristics.

I don't much like blanket insults directed at groups (because individuals who are part of those groups tend to take them personally) but know there's not a ghost of a chance of slowing that practice down.

Of all the comments deleted from this site over the past five years, I would guess about 75 percent are because of personal insults directed at another commenter.

Here's why I dislike insults so much: They don't further the discussion of issues. They degrade the usefulness of the conversation generally. They are interesting really only to the combatants. They tend to feed on each other. One insult leads to retaliation, which leads to reciprocal retaliation, and on and on and on.

There's no redeeming value in an endless exchange of insults. I would rather people resist the temptation. But I don't mind using the delete button when they don't.

This is OK: "I completely disagree with your stance on this issue."

Not OK: "I think you're a fool and an idiot for believing what you do."

-- Posted by Eric Crump on Tue, Sep 25, 2012, at 8:49 AM

I fear that some would say that telling the truth - as they see it - is an insult to others. Kind of a catch 22.

-- Posted by gentle ben on Tue, Sep 25, 2012, at 8:28 AM

Ok, so I have now read the Missouri Supreme Court finding regarding the collection of sales taxes. (Yawn)

http://www.courts.mo.gov/file.jsp?id=522...

It appears that all the local entities tied their local sales taxes to Missouri's Sales Tax laws which specifically state are "levied and imposed upon all sellers for the privilege of engaging in the business of selling tangible personal property or rendering taxable service at retail IN THIS STATE,..."

Therefore, sales occurring outside the state are not subject to state sales tax. Surely the legislators who wrote this law knew what they were writing and intended on the sales tax only applying to in state purchases. That's what the court found, anyway.

Apparently we also have a state use tax that then says that even if you are not subjected to the Sales Tax, you have to pay the Use Tax to drive your car, or boat, or whatever in Missouri.

I find it interesting, and even encouraging that the court, in it's findings, makes the statement that in cases of ambiguous wording in a statute, the interpretation of the language will always favor the taxpayer. Way to go, Supreme's!

So it took this fellow from Green County, who bought a boat, motor, and trailer out of state, funding a legal challenge all the way through the Missouri Supreme Court to find out that the Missouri Department of Revenue has been screwing Missouri residents for some time now. That's a little worrisome.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Tue, Sep 25, 2012, at 8:27 AM

So what do we do Jason, start bombing Iran?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Tue, Sep 25, 2012, at 7:50 AM

Read new voting laws may prevent millions of hispanic voters from voting this fall..This might have a effect on the outcome of the election...23 of 50 states have enacted some sort of voting law that will do this most have to do with providing an I.D. witch we do have to provide when buying tequila.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Tue, Sep 25, 2012, at 7:38 AM

Watch the interview of the President of Iran a little and I must say he was treating Pierce Morgan like a redheaded step child...He won't even acknowledge there was a holocaust.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Tue, Sep 25, 2012, at 7:36 AM

r,

Yeah, you may be right.

In fact, this election may be much closer than a lot of folks think.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Sep 25, 2012, at 7:28 AM

Eric,

As that is what the Supreme Court does, determine the constitutionality of laws, I would assume that whatever Use Tax law Missouri had prior to January's court ruling was found to be unconstitutional.

I would hope that those who are promoting this new tax law would be able to explain what happened to the former Use Tax law much better that I can.

After all, I am calling for nothing new. Others are proposing this new law, so I reckon you should ask them why we need it, eh?

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Tue, Sep 25, 2012, at 7:03 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
My question is not about the Supreme Court's role but about a specific ruling on Missouri's use tax. I have read about a ruling earlier this year that addressed the collection of local sales taxes on out-of-state purchases. I have not heard that the state use tax (which is a different but related tax, as I understand it) was ruled unconstitutional. If that's the case, it bears heavily on the issue Saline County has put on the ballot, so that's why I asked about a source for that information.

News you would have to define mainstream American political thought. I think we would differ on the definition. I believe the majority of Americans are conservative. Do you believe that? There are also the percentage that don't listen to politics and don't care and don't vote but are conservative. I think o has activated the dormant conservative voter.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Tue, Sep 25, 2012, at 5:57 AM

Hey r,

Who do you think more closely reflects mainstream American political thought, President Obama or Bill O'Reilly?

Of course there is no right or wrong answer. However, I am interested in hearing your assessment.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Sep 25, 2012, at 3:23 AM

Hey, remember this little gem?

"Bill O'Reilly and Geraldo Rivera angry fight Immigration"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3U9ENaTP...

Priceless!

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Sep 24, 2012, at 6:45 PM

Oklahoma Reader

Lol...yeah, true.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Sep 24, 2012, at 6:25 PM

Fair enough News, but that does not change the fact thar r utilizes sites affirming his point that also carry racist content. Perhaps he is not a racist, but he indeed at the least is a fellow traveler with those of racist views.

Additionally r seems to identify with every Tea Party position except racism. Perhaps although he disavows racism he is racist without being personally cognizant of that prejudice. It is the rare racist that admits to being racist, witness the bulk of Tea Party members.

I am not convinced by your defense of r.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Sep 24, 2012, at 6:14 PM

I wonder if any of the counties that are racing to pass local Use Taxes have given any consideration to the fact that the Missouri Supreme Court found the state Use Tax unconstitutional for a reason?

Two questions come from this:

1) Have you folks racing to support this new tax law bothered to investigate what is was that the legal scholars found wrong with Missouri Use Tax laws?

2) What makes you so sure the Missouri Supreme Court won't find the county Use Taxes unconstitutional as well? Do you plan to spend my tax dollars fighting that out in court?

Is it possible the State Supreme Court thought it was a bad law? Perhaps it was written poorly, or it overstepped constitutional boundaries on taxation, but whatever the reason, how is it that our local politicians think they can craft a law that will pass constitutional muster?

I have yet to find anything beyond opinions of folks not versed in constitutional law on the subject myself.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Mon, Sep 24, 2012, at 4:28 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Do you have a source for the assertion that Missouri's use tax is unconstitutional? This is the first I've heard that and in a quick search haven't found any reference to it.

As to silly accusations.

I feel a bit sickened one accusation in particular.

It has been suggested that r's preference for Governor Mitt Romney's policy proposals over those of President Obama may in fact reflect some kind of hidden racial bias.

I have never seen anything that supports that suggestion -- and I have been associated with r in this comment section for at least a few years now.

r and me may not agree on every political issue but we do agree on at least 1 thing -- that his political biases are in no way race-based.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Sep 24, 2012, at 4:11 PM

Use Tax, rr3?

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Mon, Sep 24, 2012, at 3:59 PM

Eric Crump

Given the fact that 1 man's insult is another man's compliment, the goal you set is unachievable.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Sep 24, 2012, at 3:57 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
You're right! But if my asking for a cease fire helps stem the tide of proliferating insults (according to my definition), then my goal will have been achieved in spirit even without being achieved in fact.

If the hood fits ....

-- Posted by What the f...... on Mon, Sep 24, 2012, at 2:15 PM

It really doesn't matter what I think of the president as far as race because I also see him as a person and American. I can't help but bring to light the racist remarks some on here like to make. One of my favorites is "You just want to black guy out of the White House". Those remarks always come when they can no longer defend their position. The same ones that like to claim they are not racist, you know tolerance and civility.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Mon, Sep 24, 2012, at 2:07 PM

You said r; "Funny how libs always play the race card. You have use a whiny voice to say this "It is because he is black isn't it". To be fair and balanced I would have to say that I don't like his white half either."

It is thought provoking that you look at our President as having a white half, and a black half. I just see him as an American, and don't concern myself as to what percentage of any race he embodies.

Digging a bit deeper into your statement do you also see him as a mulatto, or a quadroon, that is do you further distinguish people of mixed race?

The reason I ask these questions is because you so often provide links to web sites that in addition to addressing your subject highlight racist commentary as other subjects at those sites. To be clear, I am not calling you a racist, I just want to know why, regarding the those questions.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Sep 24, 2012, at 1:28 PM

Too late today for me Eric. I will do my best to curtail invective the remainder of this day, and a half day tomorrow. Will that count? ;)

Seriously, I will try to do better.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Sep 24, 2012, at 1:10 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
I appreciate the effort!

I know well (personal experience) how tempting it is to resort to the devastating verbal blow. But folks do get a bit carried away sometimes and the conversation devolves into a back-and-forth battle that leaves actual issues behind.

I dare everybody who uses this forum to go a day without hurling an insult. At anyone.

Can it be done?

-- Posted by Eric Crump on Mon, Sep 24, 2012, at 12:54 PM

...and one more thing. In regards to tolerance and civility, you reap what you sow.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Mon, Sep 24, 2012, at 12:51 PM

What? Just because I said if the hood fits wear it? I don't like being called a "lib" so should I feign offense and complain to the editor?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Mon, Sep 24, 2012, at 12:49 PM

Where do working class libs think the money to pay all the lib politicians come from. Everything big o has came from the American taxpayer. He has never had a real job a.k.a. private sector. Libs never spend their own money and it is silly to think otherwise. O and all you libs can be proud that everything he has had to first be taken from someone else. I know it is really hard to understand.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Mon, Sep 24, 2012, at 12:19 PM

Funny how libs always play the race card. You have use a whiny voice to say this "It is because he is black isn't it". To be fair and balanced I would have to say that I don't like his white half either.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Mon, Sep 24, 2012, at 12:12 PM

News I liked your use of the term conservative bias. It is an on the mark euphemism for paranoid B. S. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Sep 24, 2012, at 9:58 AM

Jason,

It's because he's black, isn't it?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Mon, Sep 24, 2012, at 9:41 AM

Btw when Univision interview our President he was asked Why he has not lived up to his promise of Imigration reform/his response was that republicans have stood in his way the interviewer responded he had 2 years of when his party was in power.....

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Mon, Sep 24, 2012, at 9:27 AM

Pretty soon we will have newly elected President...And Obama will go back to his mansion that was given to him I mean he worked so hard to achieve it.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Mon, Sep 24, 2012, at 9:25 AM

What the f......

Actually, many of r's links are fair and balanced articles. A few, however, do seem to be a bit influenced by conservative bias.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Sep 24, 2012, at 7:57 AM

I found this jewel on the website rr3 has chosen to cite as evidence of whatever point he was trying to make as well.

http://www.wnd.com/2012/09/urgent-plea-f...

Yep, looks like fair and balanced reporting to me. :) Thanks for the laugh.

By the way, rr3, your tax dollars are not buying a retirement home for the Obama's. Not sure where you got that idea. It's not even in the neo-con website article that you linked.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Mon, Sep 24, 2012, at 7:53 AM

I invite everyone here to visit the sites rr3yvo has given links for. It will explain alot in terms of who/what you are dealing with.

I guess I should feel sorry for them but willful ignorance should be chatised, not coddled.

For instance, did you know that president Obama hid his gay lifestyle in order to become president? And apparrently his new campaign logo is a symbol of Sharia law? Or something to that effect. I could'nt bring myself to wade past much more than the sensational headlines that were flanked by the adds for conceald carry permits.

My question to rr3yvo is: Do you really believe all of that junk or do you just willfully spread mis-information and outright lies as a genral hobby?

I can repsect a person who argues a difference of opinion over the facts but I cannot respect a person show a blatant disregard for the facts.

You are free to visit any site you like but for some of them to be presented here as trustworthy news sources is unacceptable.

Are you not a christian? Why do you willfully

bear false witness againt others? Is that how you expect to get into heaven?

BTW, global warming is real wheter you want to believe it or not.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Mon, Sep 24, 2012, at 6:18 AM

r,

Those interesting details regarding our President seem to coincidentally confirm what many cons already believe.

The home in Hawaii is lovely. Frankly, $35 million sounds like a real good find. In fact, good, affordable real estate is in limited supply in Hawaii and Ocean front property is nearly impossible to find. The grounds seem well kept, the pool in working order, and you just can't beat the view.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Sep 24, 2012, at 6:18 AM

Hark! Do I hear an utterance from the bottom of the barrel? ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Sep 23, 2012, at 11:22 PM

We have seen the middle class income go down over four thousand dollars since big o took office. Yeh them libs are really representing the middle class.

SECRET RETIREMENT PLANS: DOES OBAMA EXPECT TO LOSE?

http://www.wnd.com/2012/09/secret-retire...

Interesting what our tax dollars can buy for those that are looking out for our best interest. To a rich lib it doesn't matter whether you win or lose they will win either way. How many of you can have a place like that after you get fired? Of course to some this is all a lie the facts don't make it true.

SAUDI BILLIONAIRE DID HELP OBAMA INTO HARVARD

http://www.wnd.com/2012/09/saudi-billion...

We knew he couldn't have done that on his own somebody helped him. We have tried to tell you libs that big o hung around some shady characters. That can't be true he is our savior, our messiah, the greatest president ever. How many refuse to believe things like this no matter what the evidence is? Romney should make a list of things that big o has spent money to try to hide and tell him if he shows the American people all of that then he will show all his tax returns. Seems like a fair trade for America.

A childhood of privilege, not hardship

http://washingtonexaminer.com/chapter-i-...

We find that big o and m both lied about his status growing up. If he will lie about that what else will he lie about. This guy make Clinton look like a saint.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sun, Sep 23, 2012, at 11:13 PM

Mitt Romney stacked audience at Univision forum with Republican activists after campaign couldn't find student supporters at University of Miami, moderator Maria Elenas Salinas claims

Mitt also pitched a fit just minutes before the broadcast and refused to come out unless the Spanish language network re-taped the introduction, said Univision anchor Maria Elena Salinas

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/election...

-- Posted by cheesehead on Sun, Sep 23, 2012, at 9:40 PM

Nick Kristoff, and Thomas Friedman (son of Milton Friedman) are respected conservative columnists at the New York Times. I read them every Sunday. It is refreshing to hear the lost voice of true conservatism.

The rotten apples remaining in the Republican barrel would not even understand what those intelligent people are talking about. They have lost their senses, and march up, and down Main Street like a lynch mob. Blinded by rage, abetted by rope salesmen like Rush, they are all of a mind, missing any remnant of rationality.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Sep 23, 2012, at 4:31 PM

SD,

There certainly have been some very intelligent conservatives.

William F. Buckley was never a man to be taken lightly by any politician on either side of the aisle. He was a well respected intellectual.

However, much like the liberal Republican (Teddy Roosevelt, John Anderson, et al), the conservative intellectual is a dying breed. In fact, they may already be extinct.

So, for the average con today, its just a lot less trouble to let folks like Rush and Michael "Savage" Weiner do their thinking for them.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Sep 23, 2012, at 3:34 PM

So, apparently all rr3 and jason have is whatever talking points they glean from Beck and Limbaugh.

Apparently they are too busy lapping up the neo-con pablum to even know what the Use Tax issue is. Wake up and do your job. If you are a true conservative, how is it you don't even know anything about taxation issues?

Sheesh, voters. Please try and learn something about what is going to be on the ballot before you go vote.

As I have said before, I have learned much about todays conservative supporters from these blogs. Both sides strategists, Dems and Cons should read these things. Perhaps they would read and understand the end results of their dogma.

I reckon we are doomed, as there is no successful democracy without voters who understand what they are voting for.

It has also been interesting to me to see the results of those "How Should You Vote" websites. I think many folks who think they are conservatives get surprised when they answer the questions honestly.

As a final comment regarding neo-con ideology, Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, and their like are not working in the best interest of the United States of America or it's people. They are working in the best interest of themselves, plain and simple.

They have become millionaires by spewing lies and half truths out for desperate listeners who are looking for someone to blame for their woes.

When those fools tell you that it's the democrats fault that you aren't more successful, or more rich, than where your current middle class struggle has placed you, it's an outright lie that is intended on playing to your emotions and misconceptions.

It's really fairly basic, in final analysis. The Repbulican party does not plan to represent the middle class in tax policy. They will seek to provide more for the rich, and less for everyone else in every law and regulation they pass.

They plan to buy your vote with the "God, Guns, and Gays" strategy as no one who works for a pay check in America will be helped in any way by their economic plans and financial deregulation.

Then there's the future of Social Security and Medicare. Who do you trust more to keep these programs which are working quite well viable into the future?

And by the way, Mitt Romney IS Wall Street. Don't forget that little fact.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Sun, Sep 23, 2012, at 8:54 AM

Wow!

That list is almost entirely Republican.

ROTFLMAO!!

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Sep 23, 2012, at 1:55 AM

Jason here is a link to a Pulitzer Prize winning site that keeps track of the most outrageous "pants on fire" lies by politicians.

I like you am concerned about lies by politicians. I am concerned about lies by ALL politicians, not just the Republicans, or the Democrats. I hope you are of the same mind set. Anyway check it out, I think you will find it interesting. If nothing else it is the most trusted location for you to use as a source when you state someone has lied. Let me know what you think of the site. As the fast, and furious deal is relatively new it isn't covered there yet.

Don't bother going there r as you will just pick out the Obama lies, and ignore the rest. ;)

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Sep 23, 2012, at 12:18 AM

rr3yvo,

Could you please tell me, and be very specific, no generalities please, why I should listen to anything Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh , Hannity or O'Reilly have to say?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Sat, Sep 22, 2012, at 6:15 PM

Oklahoma Reader

The cons can call Obama whatever they want, but the fact is he governs with conservative policies.

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Sep 22, 2012, at 2:55 PM

Actually r you should be loving Obama. He is the one that kept W., Cheney, Rummy and that whole rotten pack out of prison for their treasonous acts. Had he done his constitutional duty, instead of being an accessory after the fact you wouldn't even have a candidate that could pull more than thirty percent of the vote.

Obama saved the Republican Party, show a little gratitude. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Sep 22, 2012, at 12:59 PM

And, r,

I agree we should fire Obama.

The problem is that there are no other legitimate, candidates for the job that are actually seeking the job.

No one is taking that racist pig Romney seriously.

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Sep 22, 2012, at 2:11 AM

No, not a set-up mate.

I really do have a lot of respect for good debate skills.

Issues are issues, the real key to winning a debate -- no matter the topic -- is always dependent on having the ability to think on your feet. You did that. You took a failing argument and completely resurrected it. Now that is what I call good showmanship!

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Sep 22, 2012, at 1:54 AM

So it is never about the issues when a lib is against the wall. It is always about the other guy. How he deals with it or how he can't deal with. Further proof that facts don't matter because they lose on the argument of facts. Romney would win in a landslide if the media would stick to the facts about b.o. Let's see presidential decision here. Should I meet with Netanyahu or have interview with Letterman? Actually go to an intelligence briefing or find something else to do? Obama in 2012 "YOU'RE FIRED"!!!

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sat, Sep 22, 2012, at 1:35 AM

We have an act of terrorism and b.o. goes out of his way to exonerate those that are guilty and still is. But of course those facts come out of thin air so you can't believe a word of it.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sat, Sep 22, 2012, at 1:28 AM

Thanks news, I think? Of course this could be a set up.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sat, Sep 22, 2012, at 1:20 AM

OKR,

Consider r's position:

1.) The spotlight was on him, while readers, on the edge of their seats, watched anxiously to see what strategy he would use to somehow redeem his argument. That alone is a difficult starting point.

2.) His entire argument had been utterly destroyed in one, almighty fact-punch, and it was, without question, his turn for rebuttal.

That kind of pressure can really box a fella in.

So there he is. He looks to see what he has to work with, and he sees he's got nothing.

Most debaters would have gracefully conceded.

But not r.

Instead of quitting while the quiting is good, r goes with the insta-stat approach, simply pulling figures out of the thin air as though its all legit.

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Sep 22, 2012, at 1:20 AM

HERE ARE THE 14 MOST ABSURD THINGS FOR SALE ON THE OBAMA WEBSITE

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/here-are...

All you libs need to check out number 11. Oh yeh I want one of those.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sat, Sep 22, 2012, at 1:19 AM

Antarctic Sea Ice Sets Another Record

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/...

Really all I hear in the media is that ice is at record lows. Who do you believe? The truth or an agenda?

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sat, Sep 22, 2012, at 1:14 AM

The myth of the 'rock-star professor'

http://washingtonexaminer.com/chapter-ii...

Looks like b.o. the professor is much like b.o. the president. But hey facts don't matter, right!

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sat, Sep 22, 2012, at 12:44 AM

r,

Nice work mate.

I'm impressed.

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Sep 22, 2012, at 12:40 AM

So the only reason b.o. deserves reelection is that Romney will give us 4 more years of Bush! Talk about weak! Give a lib facts and they don't like it. Why is that? They never can stand on lib policies. All they do is tell you how much worse the other guy will be. What kind of argument is that? We already know how bad the current guy is lets try somebody else, anybody! Weak! Now that's funny.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sat, Sep 22, 2012, at 12:35 AM

If anybody needs further evidence of Obama being reelected here you go.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/...

-- Posted by cheesehead on Sat, Sep 22, 2012, at 12:12 AM

So Jason, and r how about that Saline County Use Tax Smart Dog has been talking about? Y'all agin' it ain't cha?

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Sep 22, 2012, at 12:02 AM

Figggered I better splain it to ya r. Your response was weak because you were ranting that Obama won't do anything about immigration. When in fact he has been more active than Bush on deportations.

I guess though the weak response was just your sheepish way of admitting you were wrong so I'll let it go. I won't be as tough on you as WTF who wears you out regularly. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Sep 21, 2012, at 11:56 PM

He deserves to be reelected Jason because Romney tells us he will give us four more years of G. W. Bush,and we barely survived the first eight of Bush.

Listen to Romney, Jason. Everything he says he will do are things that Bush did.

How about you and me look for a third option? I'm not real happy with Obama either. Have you looked at the Justice Party? :)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Sep 21, 2012, at 11:50 PM

weak r.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Sep 21, 2012, at 11:39 PM

I want to know why Obama lied and said Fast and Furious was started by Bush when in fact it started 9 months after he took office, I want to know why they can't admit it was terrorist attack in Libya. I want to know why he has not turned around economy like he said he would. I want to know why after ramming his stimulus down our throats that people on food stamps more than double. I want to know why he deserves to be reelected.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Fri, Sep 21, 2012, at 11:24 PM

MAN SPENDS $20K CLEANING ABANDONED LOT NEAR HIS BUSINESS-- CITY THREATENS LEGAL ACTION

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/man-spen...

Spend your own money and get sued. If he was wrong why didn't the city stop him. I looked into the political persuasion of the mayor and understand why this business man is getting sued. He did it on his own without government assistance. That is becoming a crime in this country.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Fri, Sep 21, 2012, at 11:23 PM

Bush deported about 2 million illegals in 8 years and b.o. is currently at about 1.4 million. So according to my math Bush is still ahead overall. On a timeline b.o. is ahead but will not catch Bush for a total because he is out of time.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Fri, Sep 21, 2012, at 10:52 PM

Hey r,

Are you going to stand there and let OKR prove you to be absolutely, factually wrong and do nothing about it.

Come on buddy, when have Republicans ever let trivial little things like facts stand in their way.

Show 'em how argumentation is done r.

Make Fox News and me proud mate.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Sep 21, 2012, at 8:18 PM

Well folks we have survived 4 years of the Obama administration and we still have our guns, freedom, and lower taxes. The muslim brotherhood hasnt taken over our country and here in the U.S. we have been free of any terrorist attacks. We have gotten out of 1 war and have 30 months of private sector job growth, and did I mention we have health care reform thats here to stay.

I would like to thank all of the moderates and liberals that have helped us defeat Fox news and the right wing propaganda of hate and lies. As of Oct 3 the first presidential debate we will be able to confirm that Barack Obama is with us for another 4 years. The corporate elitist and Facists will have to wait another 4 years before they have a chance to take over our country.

-- Posted by cheesehead on Fri, Sep 21, 2012, at 6:28 PM

Still waiting on your reply rr3 to the fact that Obama deported more than Bush. You said otherwise. You got back from hiding out early. Naw, the coast isn't clear. How about "I was wrong". That would be a first for you. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Sep 21, 2012, at 6:13 PM

That's all well and good, rr3.

What's your take on this "Use Tax" frenzy that Missouri counties are now undertaking?

Or are you just here to post snarky comments?

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Fri, Sep 21, 2012, at 3:04 PM

If all it take is a fee to get some to stop posting then MDC should have charged a fee years ago. Is this what happens when welfare comes to an end.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Fri, Sep 21, 2012, at 2:57 PM

More from Swan.

"Let's be blunt and acknowledge the biggest threat to the world's biggest economy are the cranks and crazies that have taken over the Republican Party," Swan said in a speech in Sydney.

It's the speech that just keeps on giving.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Fri, Sep 21, 2012, at 7:44 AM

I have a lot of opinions to get out before October 1st. Not sure I can survive on only 7 dissertations per month. :)

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Fri, Sep 21, 2012, at 7:40 AM

News,

Here's some news from right in your back yard. I have to say that I agree with your Treasurer and Deputy Prime Minister, Wayne Swan, when he said the following about Tea Party Republicans:

"And there can be few things more alarming in public policy than a political movement which was genuinely prepared to see the government of the United States default on its obligations in order to score a political point."

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/a...

My sentiments exactly. How is it that half the voters in this state still think Todd Akin, Hartzler, and their ilk are working in the best interest of our country?

I reckon the philosophers are right, voters in a democracy get what they deserve.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Fri, Sep 21, 2012, at 7:39 AM

Hey, fellow bloggers, I have a few questions.

How is it none of the self proclaimed conservatives that post here regularly have no comments regarding the Use Tax being proposed and supported by our county commissioners?

Where's x-ray, rr3, jason, and all the other neo-cons? Does Grover Norquist know about this? He's liable to revoke your GOP card, you know.

I can't believe I am the lone voice waving the "No New Taxes" flag.

Apparently it is true. All the angry voices of tea-party conservatism care about is God, guns, and Gays. Have conservative voters now just become social ideologues who don't care about the core principles of conservatism?

If a stinkin' liberal like me is all we've got to carry the "lower my taxes" banner, then that's somewhat of a concern, isn't it?

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Fri, Sep 21, 2012, at 7:23 AM

This question is to Eric: Is there some way that commenting on the blogs, and perhaps reading the blogs can remain open? If it can be done technically I'm thinking that it is possible that it may result in increased on line viewership. Can you count the hits that you get on these blogs? If so you may be able to make a rational decision as to whether, or not what I propose is feasible.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Sep 21, 2012, at 12:58 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
I'll inquire about that. Thanks for the suggestion.

News I know you can afford the nine bucks a month, so it is a matter of principle with you. My problem is that I am stuck with conflicting principles.

Do I like the changes? Hell no. That is largely because I know that some of the people who post here, and whose comments I enjoy can not afford to pay for the privelege. So, one of my principles that comes into play is my life long sense of solidarity with those who have little material wealth. Should I walk with them?

On the other hand I know, we all know, that small town newspapers are nearing their end unless they can somehow increase their revenue. I don't know if this will work for the MDN, but I do feel a sense of gratitude for the opportunity they have afforded us all. I have made real friends here, and though some may leave, I will not forget them. I also have learned a lot from others who post. Should I express my gratitude by offering my loyalty and stay with this paper?

For me a compromise is the only way out of this dilemma. I will cough up initially, and see how it goes. If many of my friends are missing because they could not afford it, I am concerned my conscience (guilt) may force me to withdraw. On the other hand, if it morphs into something of value I may stay.

It is too bad that there are so many things concerning which we only have terminal control. Sometimes I have to just shrug, and go with the flow, because that is of more benefit than termination. Trite, but true, life is a series of compromises.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Sep 21, 2012, at 12:48 AM

There are a raft of comments under the article about the MDN's changes. There is a lot of disparate opinion there. Check it out.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Sep 21, 2012, at 12:16 AM

Hey all you guys take care and keep fighting these pinhead Politicians! News,nana,okla,slater, Keep up the good work my friends!

-- Posted by Jo on Thu, Sep 20, 2012, at 9:38 PM

I agree with this action. Creating this content is not free. These are professionals and like the rest of us they would like to get paid for their services.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Thu, Sep 20, 2012, at 7:51 PM

Yeah, I am outta here too mates.

Its been a lot of fun.

I'll see ya'll in a comment section of another website soon -- one that doesn't charge a fee.

Ya'll be good, and take good care of yourselves..

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Sep 20, 2012, at 7:43 PM

(The Obama administration) if they don't get a handle on the Middle East may cause some problems in November..They now believe a Gitmo detainee is behind the attack on the diplomatic community. The turned this person over to Libya with the promise he stay in prison..Well the Libyan dictator released him a few years ago to appease the rising tide of islamic radicals...Not to mention they now think an affiliate of AL Queda is also behind it. 43 percent of americans are keeping an eye on the mideat and it's turnoil...Next Fast and Furious was mishandle and Eric Holder may become an liability and other upper officials in the justice Department....These are just thoughts and these are things that Independent voters may look at.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Thu, Sep 20, 2012, at 6:53 PM

Guess we will see Smart Dog. I have other options where I may post, and suppose I could find more where I would be welcome. However there is a feeling of unity, and shared concerns that can't be duplicated by other than my hometown paper. You just can't beat the over the back fence type of conversational closeness. I hope things will work out for us all.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Sep 20, 2012, at 5:29 PM

I will concede that MSNBC is nearly as bad as Fox. I watched it a bit today for the first time in a year, or so. As a progressive, I choose not to watch it because it might give me a false sense of security. I think for regressives the same is true with Fox.

Neither give an accurate feel for what is going on in our country. Each tout the insignificant triumphs of their favorites. Each bubble with optimism about their favorites. I think it is an all out effort by each to make their audience contented, and that takes precedent over informing their audience.

I don't need to be fired up by a news source, just the facts please.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Sep 20, 2012, at 5:18 PM

By the way, the American Embassy in Australia is warning Americans to stay away from Martin Place in Sydney on Saturday as the Australian Muslims will be demonstrating in front of the American Consulate that day.

All thanks to years of American bullying in the International community.

THANKS A LOT CONS!!!

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Sep 20, 2012, at 3:59 PM

I gotta tell ya, this has been a fun election.

I found the Republican nominees to be most Amusing.

But now that its obvious that Romney has committed Romneycide, one question keeps popping up in my mind, what is the future of the teaparty dixicrats?

I predict the rich folks in the Republican Party will split off and form a fiscal conservative party leaving the dixicrat teaparty out in the cold with empty pockets.

Any thoughts on this guys?

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Sep 20, 2012, at 3:25 PM

Well, fellow bloggers, it has been fun.

It would appear, from reading the article titled "Marshall Democrat-News announces improvements" that "marshallnews.com" will become a pay site beginning October 1st.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Thu, Sep 20, 2012, at 3:19 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Note that not all content will be behind the paywall, and of the content that is behind the wall, readers will be able to view up to seven pages free every 30 days.

There is a lot of recrimination from those of the right who post here, toward those of the left. Especially that is the case when we scoff at Fox News. When backed into a corner which is not infrequent the best they can come up with is well the left press is just as bad. Well guess what guys, it is not.

The Huffington Post is often spotlighted by the right as a prime example of a biased left wing news source. Well guys of the right, read at the following link from yes, the Huffington Post. You will love every word of it. After you read the criticism of Obamacare (as you call it) scroll down for additional material you will find to be even more delightful, "14 facts Obama doesn't want you to know".

Actually I have provided proof of two of the, let me be kind and call them misconceptions, of the right. Not only will you find material adverse to leftist positions in leftist media, but that leftists who read it have the guts to present in this forum. It will be a cold day in hell when any of you from the right will do the same.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/19...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Sep 20, 2012, at 1:14 PM

I have been treated buy the VA since last year and all i have heard is they need more funds! My opinion is they need more funds for a little better Quality of Care.You can't get Dental Care unless its through the Emergence Room! No Preventative Dental Care at all! The Military Care was top Notch in every aspect during Active Duty. Even Civilians would go too them,in the 40's & 50's! They are over run with Middle East Men & Women doing their dirty work for the Warmongers!

-- Posted by Jo on Thu, Sep 20, 2012, at 12:17 PM

I have always thought Bush,Cheney,and all the rest involved should be Indited for Treason! I do hold Obama's Administration Guilty for not doing this!Like i've always said this Government we have has morphed into a ,do as you please, with NO Consequences! We will take care of you with any scandal! when a President enters office he is subject to almost any kind of retribution unless he fall's in line with their **** code! These Covert Groups in this Government, that even the President don't know about, could be headed buy a misfit like Cheney or others! I think it's gotten that bad! And the American People better do something about it,get more involved and take care of business of this Country!

-- Posted by Jo on Thu, Sep 20, 2012, at 11:55 AM

Philemon,

Following is a link to a table of tax rates for roughly the past 100 years.

http://forbestadvice.com/Money/Taxes/Fed...

Note that the income tax rate shown is the HIGHEST bracket and the column "Above Joint Taxable Income" is the amount above which the highest rate applies.

At first glance you can see that, historically, we have financed our wars by raising the rates on the highest earners.

Notice those 80% rates during and post WW2? Where are all those conservatives that want to go back to the good old days because I'm all for that regarding tax policy.

My point is that no one in the Bush Administration or the 2000-2006 Republican controlled congress (Senate and House both) bothered to figure out how to pay for those two wars we started.

So what makes anyone think that the Republicans have now all had brain transplants and are going to figure out how to cure the disease they inflicted on America via bad governance.

In contemporary America, the conservative love of supply side economics ('trickle-down' or 'job creator varieties,' take your pick) has increased the amount of citizens living below poverty level (now $23,000/year for a family of four) significantly (2 million more added in 2011) while the top earners have INCREASED their net worth, on average, by 13% in JUST THE PAST YEAR. (Source for all that is NPR)

It appears to me that if you look historically at the periods of modern American history that have resulted in growth of the middle class and lowering of the amount of folks living below poverty level (economic expansion, essentially) you will find that tax rates on Capital Gains taxes were around 25% to 40% (now 15%) and the highest tax bracket was 40% to 90% (now 37.9%).

2013-on in the chart assumes the expiration of the Bush tax cuts.

Also note that leading up to the Great Depression in the "Roaring Twenties" (1925-1929) the top bracket was lowered to 25% and Capital Gains were merely 12.5%.

Sound familiar?

I find this a nice place for a famous quote: "...that's the problem with history, it keeps repeating it's self."

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Thu, Sep 20, 2012, at 8:35 AM

Suggested reading for those who think climate change is not real.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/20...

Note the part where it is stated that warming air temperatures in the Arctic will lead to more volatility in the climate in North America.

More summers like 2012 to come. But, hey conservatives, let's keep on sticking our collective heads in the sand and calling this a hoax, eh?

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Thu, Sep 20, 2012, at 8:04 AM

As ND pointed out on the front page,

"Republicans block vote on veterans jobs bill"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/09/19/ve...

...and they want us to vote for them?

Paleezzzzzz!!

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Sep 20, 2012, at 4:57 AM

Philemon

I am a socialist, consequently I do not believe in either capitalism, nor taxation.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Sep 20, 2012, at 4:36 AM

I have what should be a simple question for both sides of the aisle. I keep hearing that everyone, especially the rich, should pay their fair share. How much do you consider that fair share to be? Specifically, if your annual income is:

$10,000

$30,000

$50,000

$100,000

$500,000

$1,000,000

$100,000,000

Exactly how much in $ should people at those incomes be paying in taxes? For this exercise, pretend each income level belongs to a married couple with two children. Feel free to put negative amounts for the lower incomes if you think they should get a rebate rather than pay anything. Even mention entitlements if you want.

I'm really curious how all the regular posters from both sides will answer.

-- Posted by Philemon on Thu, Sep 20, 2012, at 4:20 AM

I am getting real sick and tired of Republicans attacking our long National history of compassion for the poor.

I wish the Republicans would stop attacking our National traditions.

Romney may want my vote, but he sure has a nasty way of showing it.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Sep 20, 2012, at 3:14 AM

Only in Oklahoma, and I do mean nowhere else.

Here is one of the unique pleasures of living in the reddest of the red states. http://www2.wjbf.com/news/2012/sep/19/1/...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Sep 19, 2012, at 9:59 PM

Adlai Stevenson once was told after a great speech, that he would win the vote of every thinking American. He wisely retorted "Not enough".

That's why Todd Akin is again in front in the polls.

-- Posted by Interested Too on Wed, Sep 19, 2012, at 9:11 PM

To paraphrase Todd Akin:

Are these 'legitimate' polls?

-- Posted by Interested Too on Wed, Sep 19, 2012, at 6:42 PM

This is a Question, If the American People are not insane,how does these Polls come up with a 37% to 52% Percent approval rating for Obama,and then have a close rating on the Presidential race! I think the latest is a 5 Point difference for Obama.

-- Posted by Jo on Wed, Sep 19, 2012, at 5:32 PM

And that is from an impeccably right wing think tank SD. Good find.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Sep 19, 2012, at 2:00 PM

Here's an interesting bit of history I gleaned from my lunchtime reading.

"Nicholas Eberstadt of the American Enterprise Institute argues that entitlements are corrupting America in his forthcoming book "A Nation of Takers: America's Entitlement Epidemic." But he says that the growth of entitlement spending over the past half century has been greater under Republican administrations than Democratic ones.

"Between 1960 and 2010, the growth of entitlement spending was exponential," he wrote in a recent excerpt published by The Wall Street Journal, "but in any given year, it was on the whole roughly 8 percent higher if the president happened to be a Republican rather than a Democrat.""

This is the link to the entire article. I found it to be quite informative and mostly apolitical. Apparently there is quite a bit of disagreement among conservatives as to just what tax policy should be in America.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/19/us/pol...

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Wed, Sep 19, 2012, at 12:53 PM

Thank you Professor SmartDog, I could not have said it better myself. :)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Sep 19, 2012, at 11:24 AM

Jason you said: "The right wing radicals don't have a monopoly on violence the left wing is just as violent in fact here is an example of murder... "

Jason you need to learn to read with a more critical eye. You obviously were taken in by the head line that called the perpetrators left wing. No where in the body of the story is anything that would lead one to believe they were left wing. Do you not think that label is suspicious when their desired pinnacle of success was to assassinate our president who you on the right constantly label left wing?

Search some more my friend, and always keep in mind that headlines (whether from a left, or right source) are an opportunity to editorialize that is not ignored by the source.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Sep 19, 2012, at 10:57 AM

And by the way, Jason, the government is not running any auto factories.

The government simply became GM's biggest creditor, their banker in essence.

They did this since the investment bankers, like Bain Capital, would not loan GM the needed funds. Reason number one is that the financial industry had just destroyed it's self in a capitalist frenzy that was 'bundling of sub-prime mortgages' and 'credit default swaps."

So to somehow swallow conservative babble that the government is running GM is an incorrect assumption.

The government has sold some GM stock. They will continue to do so over a period of time so as to have minimal impact on markets. The best of all possible scenario's is that GM buys it's own stock back from the government. Stock buy-backs are done quite often by large corporations for a variety of reasons, all of which are usually in the best interest of the company.

I see no problem with the federal government waiting until GM can formulate a plan for the repurchase. Tens of thousands of jobs were saved by this deal and casting it in a negative light is simply election year politics by a desperate group of politicians.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Wed, Sep 19, 2012, at 10:14 AM

Redistribution of Wealth

Let me provide some free education for folks who read the blog.

A function of government, any government in any form, is automatically redistribution of wealth.

All governments; democratic republics, state governments, socialist democracies, and even communism and dictatorships, redistribute wealth.

They all, every single form, collect from some and give to others.

In democracies, taxes are collected, and the funds are doled out to someone somewhere. Be it millitary spending, research, education funding, welfare, farm programs, roads, bridges, parks, or anything else the fact remains that money was taken from somewhere and placed somewhere else.

The taxpayer pays and the contractor collects when a new government funded bridge is built or millitary weapons system is manufactured.

The king collected taxes and spent the money on fine fabrics, palaces, and jewels. Somebody got paid out of the kings coffers.

In the communist system, the theory is that the sum total of all production goes into a big pot and is then handed back out to the people. I am not advocating communism, it is just an example.

The argument to be had here is how much is the right amount of involvment in the economy by the government. That is a fair argument to have and should be examined by voters and politicians to make sure that an economy and free markets thrive.

It is well known among learned folks that redistribution of assets (money) is a function of all forms of government for thousands of years.

That's how economies work. It is a fact.

So once again the Repulican party, and now it's blind faithful, are proving how clueless they really are.

To state that "I don't think it is the government's job to redistribute wealth" is foolish.

This is not my opinion, it is a fact that you can learn by taking a fundamental political science or economics class.

Redistribution of wealth is listed as one of the basic functions of all government entities in any form. Apparently Romney didn't pay much attention in economics or political science class at Harvard.

I challenge any of the "anti-redistribution" crowd to show me an example of a government, any where at any time, that does not perform this function in any way.

Sheesh, even your churches are involved in redistribution, what do you think happens when you put a dollar in the collection plate?

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Wed, Sep 19, 2012, at 10:02 AM

Gov. Mike Huckabee has a great thought about the Auto Industry.

GM got in bed with the government, now they're feeling like Michael Corleone: "Every time I try to get out, they keep pullin' me back in!" For all the talk about GM paying back its entire bailout, the fact is that taxpayers still own about 27 percent of GM's stock. And the Wall Street Journal reports that they're starting to chafe at that: the bailout has stigmatized GM with car buyers, and the pay caps keep them from attracting top executive talent. So they presented a plan to the Treasury Department to sell the remaining shares held by the public. But the feds said no, because if they sell at today's prices, the government would take a $15 billion loss just before the election. So the government won't sell its GM stock until the price comes up, but GM thinks the price won't come up until the government sells its stock. This is why you should never let government run something complicated, like an auto factory.

That's not to say that the Obama Administration approves of the government subsidizing the auto industry. It just depends on which government's doing the subsidizing. Obama has been taking a beating in automaking swing states from Mitt Romney's ads, accusing him of being soft on unfair Chinese trade practices. So yesterday, Obama launched a formal complaint with the World Trade Organization, charging China with unfair subsidizing of its auto industry. If you're still confused, just remember: when they do it, it's unfair trade practices that undercut competitors. When we do it, it's saving jobs and preserving a great American industry.

For more of the Huckabee Report visit MikeHuckabee.com.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Wed, Sep 19, 2012, at 7:14 AM

The right wing radicals don't have a monopoly on violence the left wing is just as violent in fact here is an example of murder... http://the-eyeontheworld.blogspot.com/20...

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Wed, Sep 19, 2012, at 6:19 AM

And I say unto the master who haveth a bountiful harvest, and doth not reckon sweat of thy laborers thinketh as a fool. A heavy harvest is not thou bounty, yet it is of the many who must share bounty, as they must endure poor harvest.

So sayeth The Humble Pie In The Sky.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Sep 18, 2012, at 11:31 PM

Yes Jason most of us agree that there are radicals on the left, and the right. There always is an extreme on each side, or there could not be a center.

You mentioned P.E.T.A., and E.L.F. on the left, radical religionist abortion doctor killers, and middle eastern religionist radicals on the right.

The sharp difference is that the primary direct goal of those rightists you mentioned is to murder their enemies. The radicals of the left on the other hand tend to sabotage inanimate objects. Rarely death occurs, and never, as far as I know is death the primary objective of their tactics.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Sep 18, 2012, at 11:08 PM

Here's the deal Jason, I don't have a problem with redistribution, nor do a majority of the rest of the folks.

You, and I both know that the only form of redistribution that has a chance of occuring is raising taxes on the very rich. For years a majority of our citizens has supported that. Going way back to a CBS/New York Times poll in April of 2009, 74% of those polled believed that the rich should pay higher taxes. There have even been polls showing that a majority of Republicans believe that the rich should pay higher taxes.

So, where's your beef? Is it wrong that those who have gained the most (always with the help of others) should be asked to share a little more to help our nation recover from disastrous problems caused at least in part by the excesses of the self same very rich?

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Sep 18, 2012, at 10:49 PM

"Hard Truth For The Left" http://www.populist.com/15.17.edit.html

If I were in a swing state like Missouri I would with some chagrin, cast my ballot in favor of Barak Obama. With so much in play, now is no time for swing staters to tilt at windmills.

The above link covers many of the reasons I own up to this anguished opinion.

Do not forget that the Republican Party is bankrolling efforts of the Green Party to get on the ballot in many states. They will do anything to divert votes from what has become their hated rival.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Sep 18, 2012, at 10:25 PM

There are radicals in a lot of segments or our world today in the USA we have people who target abortion doctors on the left their is PETA, E.L.F (Earth Liberation Front) in Islam there are people who believe in spreading sharia law by enemies and if you all don't recognize this then your acting like fools.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Tue, Sep 18, 2012, at 10:05 PM

Problem is Oklahoma throughout Obama's term his unofficial policy has been redistribution so that 10 yr old video is still relevant today/ OBAMA: It's not that I want to punish your success; I just want to make sure that everybody who is behind you that they've got a chance to success, too. I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,4383...

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Tue, Sep 18, 2012, at 9:53 PM

Jo,

That comment deserves the coveted "Hammer Time" comment of the week award.

You said it as it is mate -- no mincing words.

Enjoy mate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otCpCn0l4...

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Sep 18, 2012, at 9:47 PM

I was not referencing to the military I was referencing to the Adminstration not having the backbone sorry if I didn't make it clear. My family has had a history of serving our country and the main thing gets in their way is solid leadership from the top. That includes the defense department.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Tue, Sep 18, 2012, at 9:46 PM

Jo,

RIGHT ON MATE!!!

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Sep 18, 2012, at 9:40 PM

Jason,69, I take offence to the Statement that you made about our Military,Men & Women,not having the Guts or Strenght to make these creeps end their carnage! There's been too many, that has give life and well being for anyone to believe something like that! These People have their own culture and are willing too give it all for some Billion Believers of Islam! Religion will be this worlds demise! I don't think any of our Men or women should serve this Countries Warmongers we have now,but i'm afraid they will! World War 1 & 2 were the only Necessary ones! I served when 2 were going on! And they were unnecessary! If i had it to do over i would go to Canada like a lot of the smart ones did!

-- Posted by Jo on Tue, Sep 18, 2012, at 9:28 PM

Most of the 47% are older Americans on Social Security! I'm still going Obama for 4 more! I would go Green,but, this is not the time,i think! These Fool Republicans can't do anything but go down hill from now on. Let them keep talking. I think people are learning just how creepy these people are! Also the Tea Party will have their own Party,just guessing! ha

-- Posted by Jo on Tue, Sep 18, 2012, at 8:51 PM

Aaah, but the Republican's strike back with an Obama statement released now. The problem is it is ten years old. The gist of it is that he used a word that is anathema to Republicans (only), redistribution. Oh horrors!

Poor pathetic desperate creatures.

Yes it is an uncovered secret, but that it is all it has in common. I suppose that makes things even as far as simpletons are concerned. ROTFLMAO!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/18... (From The Huff Post, fair, and balanced)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Sep 18, 2012, at 8:36 PM

"Mitt's 47% claims wildly inaccurate"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/18...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Sep 18, 2012, at 7:58 PM

It doesn't much matter whether it's W, or M

It's hard to see much from a bulb that is dim.

Both blunder, and mispeak like a veritable dunce,

explaining three times what they couldn't say once.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Sep 18, 2012, at 6:24 PM

rr3yv0

I receive not 1 penny from either of my Governments. My wife and I are financially independent -- middle class and enough money to last until the end of our lives. I am an independent voter. And yes, I will be voting.

So,...that kinda puts me in the percentage of voters Mitt Romney and those crazies in the Republican party DO want to appeal to, eh mate?

I still remain undecided but I can tell you Mitten's latest political suicide-blunder definitely will impact my final decision.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Sep 18, 2012, at 5:22 PM

Sorry Jason,

Mitt needs a lot of butter, because he is toast.

-- Posted by Interested Too on Tue, Sep 18, 2012, at 2:20 PM

Jason,

You're dippin' your bucket in a dry well.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Tue, Sep 18, 2012, at 2:06 PM

Jason you said "I don't think all of the 47% want to be there, but they need to understand that o has put them there." Jason were you asleep from 2000 through 2008? During the eight years of the Bush Administration the personal wealth declined steadily for all but the very rich.

I have a question for you. The Mittrites want to return to more of that ghastliness. They have offered nothing else. How do you conclude that is going to make anything better for the most of us, you, and me included? :) (specifics please)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Sep 18, 2012, at 12:20 PM

Romney video that was just leaked out was shot back in may and releaseed right in the middle of the Middle East crisis and A Carter Grandson admits he had a hand in this....When is the La times going to release a controversial tape involving Bill Ayer's and a PLO activist. Here is a link to better imform you of what I am talking about. http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/10/29...

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Tue, Sep 18, 2012, at 12:19 PM

I bet you wouldn't feel the same way if Fast and Furious happen under Bush's watch and How come ever time Obama lies the liberal bias media covers him with a cover story for instance watch the Libya debacle unfold there be some weak cover story all ready starting..Also why did the President skipped out on an Intel briefing the day after the Ambassador's death.. And another according to his own records Obama had not attended intel briefing since Sept. 5 Now if this would of happen under Bush's watch the liberal media would of been all over him bim like maggots are on 3 day roadkill. You all just don't want to admit that their is a liberal bias and are in cohorts with the administration.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Tue, Sep 18, 2012, at 12:15 PM

Jason re: your comment. "Justice department working with media to target critics. So now what? Here is a link again proving my point and it is about fast furious any of you liberals know about fast furious?"

Jason you are naive. Establishing rapport with sympathetic media has always been a government/political tradition. You think that the Republicans aren't in bed with Fox News? LOL

Regarding "Fast and Furious" it was a bone headed strategy that is ideologically neutral. Similar shennanigans committed by Repubs, and Dems, both wrong.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Sep 18, 2012, at 11:49 AM

One thing Romney is right about is that his message of low taxes will not get across to people that don't pay any. If you make your living by being on the take would you be worried about what someone pays in taxes? I don't think all of the 47% want to be there, but they need to understand that o has put them there. They want them to stay there so they will vote democrat. If we don't fire the libs and the democratic party in November then we will not have an America known for opportunity and the American dream. The dream has faded greatly in the last 4 years, so do we want more of the same? We still have opportunity in this country if it is unleashed and people are given an opportunity for greatness. Who will be more likely to give that to America? We found out what hope and change will get us so do we want more of it? Romney has a golden opportunity here because these people are listening right now. Ask them do they want to stay there or do they want something better? Then we will see who are the one's that are sick, lame and lazy.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Tue, Sep 18, 2012, at 11:40 AM

Just remember a government big enough to give you something is big enough to take something away look at G.M the government has a 27 percent stake in it. The Government tells them how much they can pay who they can hire the CEO says this is hurting G.M's ability to compete.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Tue, Sep 18, 2012, at 10:53 AM

Lets not forget that the main-stream leftist Obama propaganda machine news they also get direction on which questions to ask....And here is the biggest one them all Media Matters. Justice department working with media to target critics. So now what? Here is a link again proving my point and it is about fast furious any of you liberals know about fast furious? http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09/...

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Tue, Sep 18, 2012, at 10:46 AM

Agreed SD. Sometimes I like to posit statements as questions, as I did regarding the Romney "leak".

The thought this moment just occurred to me that Mitt, and Mitty (as in Walter Mitty) are very similar. Both delusional, but the Walter Mitty delusions were harmless, and comical. I wish we could say the same about the delusions of His Mittness.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Sep 18, 2012, at 9:53 AM

News,

Last night's Daily Show was classic Stewart.

You got to love a guy who hangs Faux News with their own rhetoric.

In several instances of similar situations faced by the Bush and Obama Administrations, he pointed out quite a few instances of Faux News pundits contradicting themselves.

In every case, when Bush did the same thing as Obama, it was a great idea and wonderful. Now, when done by Obama it is horrible and the end of the world as we know it.

Stewart is very good at pointing out the hypocrisy of neo-con politics, which, as I think about it, is not all that hard. All you have to do is pay attention.

It's too bad they never learned the old saying, "If you always tell the truth, you don't have to worry about remembering what you said."

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Tue, Sep 18, 2012, at 8:00 AM

OKR,

Mitt's campaign knew exactly what they were doing when they "leaked" that video.

With all the secrecy surrounding Mitt's positions on issues, regarding his real income and wealth, and regarding his biggest contributors, there is no way that video was made in secret by someone inside the campaign for purposes of damaging Mitt's image.

I rest assured that this video comes as a desperate move following bad news about the current position of the campaign. Sadly,Mitt himself, and his campaign staff are deluded enough to think that essentially calling half of America lazy and stupid is a good campaign move.

It fits the "angry middle-aged white guy" strategy of the GOP too well. Once again, the GOP panders to the folks who were going to vote for them in the first place because they have no idea how to appeal to anyone else. Apparently those "anyone else's" don't matter to Mitt in the first place.

Good to see he has cemented his position as the front man for rich white men. If he didn't have the God movement on his side, he wouldn't have any support outside of Wall Street and corporate board rooms at all.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Tue, Sep 18, 2012, at 7:49 AM

"Jon Stewart shows Sean Hannity arguing with his slightly younger self"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/09/18/jo...

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Sep 18, 2012, at 5:29 AM

rr3yv0

What planet, exactly, are the Republicans on?

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Sep 18, 2012, at 3:53 AM

A SCARY Halloween Poem

Hilarious!

http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/tw...

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Tue, Sep 18, 2012, at 12:07 AM

Let's not forget that Mitt has actual members of his campaign staff that are also FOX news contributors. Very convenient and very wrong.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Mon, Sep 17, 2012, at 8:23 PM

Hmmmm? Are these "secret" recordings of His Mittness, finally a peek at the real Mittster, or are they sourced by his campaign to energize his base, or some other thing? Who in the hell knows.

Here 'tis: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/17...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Sep 17, 2012, at 5:15 PM

I am saying that his inability to lead us is gong to haunt Obama. The middle east not engaging being passive with them has come to bite him back hard...More and More imfo is coming out of death of the Ambassador. Gas prices is effecting the poor and lower middle class causing higher durable goods now the high prices don't effect the upper middle class and rich but unfortunately that is not apart of what traditionally votes for a democrat..The economy will cause the typical democrat voter to not vote at all or vote for someone else. Plus religon plays a big part in African American's lives in fact read a report that African American Pastors are asking their congregation to not vote to do a boycott of this election..Because of his views of marriage..Just saying he is going to have a hard time being reelected.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Mon, Sep 17, 2012, at 4:39 PM

Jason,

And what is our alternative?

Romney? A 1%er -- one of the rich class who collapsed our economy and stole our 401K's? A guy who believes he is wearing magic underwear? You want him to have his hand on the "Button"? That's the best you cons can offer out Nation?

Thanks but no thanks!

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Sep 17, 2012, at 4:06 PM

Changing our subject for brief moment got this off face book checked it out and it is a true statement.

"The fact that we are here today to debate raising America 's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the US Government cannot pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government's reckless fiscal policies. Increasing America 's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that, "the buck stops here.' Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better."

~ Senator Barack H. Obama, March 2006

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Mon, Sep 17, 2012, at 9:59 AM

President Obama has been disengaging the Middle East has basically distance himself from Israel things still have not changed...I think you will find that radicals will hate us because we are just infidels..I say when someone messes with us show a little strength go after terror group wipe them out as much as possible maybe they back off..Our other course is to ignore them however when we did that 9-11 happen..

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Mon, Sep 17, 2012, at 9:57 AM

Jason

Yeah I agree, if our diplomatic corp is not safe then they need to be withdrawn.

The only problem with that is that we lose a very powerful diplomatic tool. That can prove to be an even greater catastrophe in the long run.

Perhaps this would also be a good time for our nation to start behaving like a responsible member of the World community, for a change.

We could dis-affirm the Bush doctrine, re-evaluate our current political/military relationship with Israel, get back on the 2-State solution to the Israeli/Palestinian problem, stop invading 3rd World countries who are no military threat to the United States and who have not attacked us, stop torturing people, and seek only peaceful solutions to International problems.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Sep 17, 2012, at 12:50 AM

Now as far as the Islamic we need to show enough muscle enough guts to garner some fear so they will leave us alone and we need to do a better job of knowing when to pull our diplomats because of security concerns from what I read we were warned something was going to happen and we did not act. The diplomats in Libya where personally warned. I would also say that if President Obama since he is commander in chief needs to attend all of intell briefings even if it means by conference call..He needs to be a leader in this area. In Sudan they refused our request to let us bring more marines in to protect our diplomats it is time to pull out of their completely till things die down.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Mon, Sep 17, 2012, at 12:31 AM

Thanks rr we consider ourselves blessed not special anybody with a heart would rise up to our challenges.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Mon, Sep 17, 2012, at 12:26 AM

Oklahoma glad your grand daughter has you, my wife and I are an Island unto ourselves we have no support system therefore no break except for when they are in school your child must be greatful to have you there for his/her special needs child..

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Mon, Sep 17, 2012, at 12:25 AM

It takes very special people to take care of very special children. My hats off to you!

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sun, Sep 16, 2012, at 10:53 PM

Uh r,

Are you suggesting the USA will be going to war against every Muslim, Mideast country?

The reason I ask is because I think its a really bad idea all the way around.

Its a scenario that would likely end with Chinese and Russian missiles coming down in your neighborhood.

You don't want that mate.

...or maybe you do?...you know, that whole end-time thingy.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Sep 16, 2012, at 9:51 PM

My Granddaughter has Rett Syndrome. She spends every Tuesday with me, she is my special joy Jason. She, and GrandPa are very close. :)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Sep 16, 2012, at 9:45 PM

I do not take the attack on the political viewspersonal I consider it a challenge however sometimes I can be guilty of being to passionate...

I have special needs children 2 of them are my step-children. One is about to Graduate and we are currently exploring her options after high school that is challenging I have a 10 yr old who is at age level of a 4 yr old but only a 2 yrs behind hoping she has not reached her potential she has anger and abandonment issues due to her bio donor not being in her life. She also has chromosone deletion 1 and duplication. My son shares the same genetic problem as the youngest daughter plus have web fingers still attached at the bone but has 2 hand surgeries dental surgeries and hypo-spedia. These kids are a joy and blessing and my goal is to make sure they have every opportunity to obtain their potential but I know they may never be truly independent.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Sun, Sep 16, 2012, at 9:16 PM

By the way r you switched the subject again without replying to what was addressed to you. So how about that Obama has deported more illegals than Bush? Just because you have to eat your words doesn't mean that your fingers won't work on a key board.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Sep 16, 2012, at 7:17 PM

I can heatedly argue, no holds barred r, and still like a person. It so happens that I do like Jason. My son has a severely handicapped daughter, and I know all too well the load parents of those kids must bear. Jason also has some health issues of his own, yet he hangs in there every day, and even finds time to comment on these blogs. To say that I admire him is an understatement.

What's up with you? Have you had an extra portion of the nasties today? ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Sep 16, 2012, at 7:12 PM

That makes you appear stupid, and you are not. You are just ignorant in some ways as am I, and everyone else. I did the research regarding your statement. That is how I know you were wrong. I am not going to share with you the links I checked out because you should have done it yourself, and I am not going to reward lazy scholarship. You have several choices at this point, make a good one. :) By the way I hope things went well with your son's surgery. Did it come out well?

Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Sep 16, 2012, at 11:33 AM

This all in the same post and then the last sentence is supposed to sound like you care!! How do you tell friend from foe? I sure hope a good outcome on the surgery but I was laughing the whole time I read this.

09/16/2012

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sun, Sep 16, 2012, at 4:03 PM

I guess you didn't know r that Obama has deported more illegal aliens per year than did Bush, in 2007, and 2008 when he ramped up.

And I guess you didn't know that he has also stepped up the number of prosecutions of businesses that hire illegals, over the rate of the Bush Administration.

You have a fascinating mind set that gives you an unerring ability to never truly see anything that runs counter to your pre-concieved notions. What wonderful security you have. Just you, and God sitting in a corner, the only two entities around that have no need to learn anything, comfortable that you know it all, and thus just gather information to extend your litany. ;)

http://politics.gather.com/viewArticle.a...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Sep 16, 2012, at 1:49 PM

Careful r, that last over the top rant makes you vulnerable as the better voice of the extreme right on these blogs. J69 is about to supersede you. ;)

I did like your use of analogy "Grasshoppers, and Ants" no matter that it too was far fetched. :)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Sep 16, 2012, at 1:30 PM

IRS: Agents will not be involved in tax audits, pursuing Americans without health insurance

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09/...

So are they going to enforce this the same as immigration laws how many really believe this won't be used to generate revenue for a healthcare system that will be broke? I should say how many libs believe this?

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sun, Sep 16, 2012, at 1:24 PM

The really scary part is that we were warned something was happening and we took no precautions to protect our citizens abroad. Nobody took action to protect our ambassador or lock down our embassies. Americans are inconvenienced more in this country just to get on plane. All Americans better take this as a warning to get out of the Middle East now because this is going to erupt into something far worse than what it is now. The appeaser in chief brought this on by being naive enough to believe that a new tone would make Muslims our friends. We will never be their friends because we are infidels and the Koran tells them to kill infidels. Why can't libs understand this? How's that new tone working out for you? This president was in over his head when he was elected and this has further proven that. We need leadership in Washington not apologies.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sun, Sep 16, 2012, at 1:18 PM

"Mittens"* Romney if elected will bring Dick Cheney back to the White House. Word is that Cheney has already fashioned a new set of puppet strings, and is licking his chops. It is bizzare that a man with no heart associates himself so closely with men who have no brains.

* Maureen Dowd coined Mittens in her op-ed NYT, todays issue.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Sep 16, 2012, at 1:11 PM

If o gets reelected there will not be any checks. He don't need Congress and he has proven that already. He will not have to worry about anymore elections so if he wants to do something it will be by executive order and the libs will not have the courage to call him on it. I know why believe me what do I know? If a party will deny God they will deny the country and the citizens in it. We are all slaves to o's debt that is going to be the downfall of this country probably already is. Indicated by the recent credit downgrade. If liberalism wins then we the people will lose. We can see their policies don't work and never have. What do we do when there are not enough people producing to finance all the takers? Every empire that has fallen experienced runaway debt that enslaved the people, oppressive taxation that killed small business and job growth, over regulation because of the need for control and this is a big one, moral decline. They all experienced these symptoms in some form before they fell. What is America experiencing?

Obama's America

The ant works hard all summer to put away enough for winter. The grasshopper plays and dances all summer and when winter comes realizes he will starve because he was too lazy to plan ahead. Well they elect a President that declares that it isn't fair for the ants to have so much while others don't. He declares that all the ants have to give half of what they labored for to support all the grasshoppers for the winter. So the next summer comes and the ants say why should we bust our buns when we have to give half of our labor to the president to give to the grasshoppers so they can be lazy. I think everyone can figure how this story will end, even the liberals.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sun, Sep 16, 2012, at 1:04 PM

Great link Jason! I agree with the Leader of Libya. It makes a hell of a lot more sense than does the psychobabble that is sweeping the nation, regarding a jejune fellow whose insipid work was so powerful that it struck the hearts of all Muslims driving masses of them into a killing frenzy. It is insulting to us, to middle-easterners, and humanity in general that the media presents such swill as fact.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Sep 16, 2012, at 12:54 PM

And this scares me I know it is from Fox but just read this...then make your observations.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09/... btw this was a CBS interview.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Sun, Sep 16, 2012, at 10:48 AM

My son is feeling better had a few rough nights he is playing. I do respect people who have the courage to speak about their beliefs. One belief that I do have is that one party should not have all the party should not have all the power when that does happen nothing good happens because of that rather it is the democrats or republican our country works best when their is a check in balance in our executive and legislative branches so if Mitt wins I hope the democrats still have enough power to keep Mitt in check and if Barrack wins I hope the Repubs have enough power to keep Barrack in check.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Sun, Sep 16, 2012, at 10:40 AM

Jason,

I, too, offer my hope that your son's surgery goes well.

While I may not agree with you, I enjoy the debate. I think you do a fine job of representing a large portion of Marshall citizens and commend you for getting on here and speaking your mind.

We all have things to learn from each other, if we can just try and listen once in a while.

Best of luck to you and your family.

Oh, yeah, and "Go Democrats!" :)

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Sun, Sep 16, 2012, at 10:18 AM

Jo, there is a silent majority just itching to vote the crazies out of Congress.

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Sep 15, 2012, at 5:03 PM

Thanks Okla. it makes you feel like you have to be a Political Science Professor too even make a comment anymore! But to hell with this Politically correct B.S! I personally think that's part of the Problem in this Countries! No body says what should be said,straight out and up front!My opinion!

-- Posted by Jo on Sat, Sep 15, 2012, at 4:10 PM

"Santorum: 'Smart people will never be on our side"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/09/15/sa...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0n5oa55Es...

Well why should we go with stupidity?

Republicans are completely out of touch with The People.

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Sep 15, 2012, at 3:10 PM

What do you know Joe? A hell of a lot my friend. :)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Sep 15, 2012, at 1:22 PM

Until we get the Voting back to a paper Ballot i don't believe my Vote will ever count! when Bush had everyone in place,the Federal Judges, the Supreme Court, and this Tea Party characters, with that much Power with Congress,i new we were in trouble!The Courts are going against a lot of the claims of Voter Fraud,but this won't stop these claims,and it will be in the way of a clean Election. Until we go to a Popular Vote rid ourselves of all these Complications and Control of things,were screwed! All these Constitutional Lawyer's challenging every interpretation of the law is nonsense ! But what do i know?

-- Posted by Jo on Sat, Sep 15, 2012, at 12:49 PM

Combine that Nana with the liklihood of manipulation of computer driven voting systems which are proven hackable, and manufactured by Regressive cohorts, and we may get what is our first national selection instead of a national election.

I am looking forward to closely scrutinizing the outcome with a mindset that is influenced by reality based paranoia. If we have more results that the exit polls, and pre-election projections "misjudge" to unheard of levels, a growing trend, we will know the process is toast.

At that point we will go one of two directions. We may have a cyber war with hacking, and counter hacking, accompanying accusations, and denials of the same by the adversaries. Hopefully instead we will return to the tried, and true paper ballot. We will see.

The bitter irony is that as we fight for an honest election, powers that be continue to buy candidates on both sides. Let's see, do I want to vote for the General Motors candidate, or the candidate of Amalgamated Unions. Of course we won't be informed enough to even do that because financial support secrecy will burgeon unabated. We will only know that we are voting for some entity's candidate, and hope that our desires are homogenous to some degree with their candidate. Extreme, and pessimistic? Yes, but unless we envision the worst we can not defend against it.

Perhaps instead of the slogan "Get Out The Vote" we will just be saying Get Out, before we become speechless.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Sep 15, 2012, at 11:30 AM

OKw,

I am looking forward to watching the Republican Party split after they lose this election.

The North Eastern Republicans know that as long as they are allied with crazies (teaparty crazies, aka, dixiecrats) their election winning days will be gone...perhaps forever.

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Sep 15, 2012, at 1:18 AM

It stands to reason News that it is not only in science that the Regressives are desperate for remedialization. Their foreign policy approach is disastrous as often as not. I can't believe that more is not made of Romney's shortcomings on foreign policy. He often sounds Palinesque. He is the guy that went over to our best friend England, and pi**ed off the whole country, then floundered his way across Europe pi**ing off the Poles as he left the continent.

By the way old "there you go again", "I don't recall" Reagan made both the psychopathic, and stupid lists I mentioned in my prior post. So did George W. Bush. Is it any wonder that the the two presidents who unraveled America were both stupid, and clinically insane. LOL

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Sep 14, 2012, at 11:57 PM

Many of our Presidents have been psychopathic, Teddy Roosevelt leads the charge, John Kennedy near the top, Reagan, and Franklin Roosevelt in the mix. Dem., or Repub. not an issue.

On the other hand Republican politicians are really stupid when it comes to science. Duh, ya think?

Read the link, then scroll down for the dirt on the dumb guys, and gal (Yeh Palin), but that's just scratching the surface as Bachman didn't get a mention. ;)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/13...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Sep 14, 2012, at 10:31 PM

"Protesters vent rage at western powers"

http://video.msnbc.msn.com/nightly-news/...

And what really cracks me up is the con response: "We should have supported fascist dictators in the Middle East."

Will the cons never learn the lessons of the past and present?

THANKS A LOT CONS!!!!

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Sep 14, 2012, at 9:29 PM

"Wisconsin anti-union law struck down in court"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/09/14/wi...

Finally some good news for a change!

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Sep 14, 2012, at 5:58 PM

Jason: Good luck to your son, and hang in there buddy, I know you, and yours have a lot of health issues.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Sep 14, 2012, at 5:12 PM

Dooby dooby doo do wap do, da dooby da dooby da doo wap doo.

Thanks News! :)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Sep 14, 2012, at 5:10 PM

"Romney: U.S. 'middle income' is $200K to $250K per year"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/09/14/ro...

This guy is completely out of touch with America...and reality.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Sep 14, 2012, at 3:57 PM

Jason1969

I hope your son recovers from the surgery quickly. Come on back and join the discussion whenever you are ready. We'll be here.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Sep 14, 2012, at 3:44 PM

I am reading the blog but not participating much because my son just had hand surgery Wed. I sometimes don't have time to read the current conversation in full...You all have fun taking part in are great american freedom of exchanging thoughts of political views....

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Fri, Sep 14, 2012, at 11:40 AM

"Americano"

Brian Setzer Orchestra

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVpz9k5my...

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Sep 14, 2012, at 3:12 AM

I was interacting with my big old pup a few minutes ago, she's a little over a year, and a half now, and is showing signs of approaching maturity. She has never been hit, and only rarely has she been sternly rebuked. She is fifty pounds of cuddly kindness.

From the get go ours has been an egalitarian relationship. I have never attempted to press the point that she obey my command immediately. In fact she doesn't get nearly as many commands as she does invitations. She has a huge passive vocabulary for a pup her age, has mastered my body language, and a goodly number of hand signals so I am certain that she understands me most of the time. When we have been outside for a while it does my old heart good to see her ponder my invitation to go back inside. I am proud that she thinks for herself, then decides what is best for her.

In contrast it does frustrate me that during the several years I have been writing on these blogs, consistently inviting people to consider various choices, and then decide what is best for them, that some to this day immediately bark an aggressive no in response without even a moment of serious consideration as to whether it just might be best for them. Some would say they are doggedly determined, but I think not.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Sep 14, 2012, at 12:00 AM

I prefer socialized medicine. Its far better...but then I actually live in a country with socialized medicine.

The American insurance company owners must love Obama.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Sep 13, 2012, at 9:32 PM

Those Republicans sure are sneaky. They managed to stonewall everything except somehow managed to slip up and let one of their most hated bills actually pass - Obamacare. Obviously they were smart enough to realize that the majority of the country was against this in one form or another, so it actually passing would be bad for the Democrats. Sneaky, sneaky, sneaky.

-- Posted by Philemon on Thu, Sep 13, 2012, at 8:13 PM

Good points SD,

The Republicans only care about getting into power. Everything else they say is nothing more than the empty rhetoric of desperate, morally bankrupt political party in decay.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Sep 13, 2012, at 6:16 PM

Now I have to agree with OKR.

You have hit on the item that is making me vote the way I will in November. The GOP, from the first day the new House of Representatives was in session, went on record very clearly that their number one priority was to stonewall everything and defeat Barack Obama in 2012.

The were adamant that they would do everything they could to make things as difficult as possible. Talking that up to anyone who would listen back in 2009. They were rewarded with a House majority in 2010, so they doubled-down and became even more recalcitrant in anticipation of political gain in 2012.

So much for the willingness to compromise. It made me realize that, to the GOP, winning elections and being in control of the government is more important to them than the health and well being of American citizens.

I learned in my brief foray into political science the following concept used to win elections: "When you are out of office, you want the people to hate the government. Once you gain power, then the trick is to get the people to love the government again."

I'd say the GOP has done an excellent job of turning folks against the federal government, so clearly that was the cornerstone of their strategy for 2012. Funny thing is, they, as well as the democrats, ARE the government.

However, I am extremely disappointing that we have elected public officials willing to sacrifice the future of our republic for their own personal gain.

I know, that gets a chuckle. "A politician putting themselves ahead of the voters? Surely you jest."

I realize it happens, but I am not willing to reward the bad behavior of a political party who are willing to make us folks out here in the real world suffer just so they can win.

Now, I could start in on all the "voter purge" junk going on to make folks in certain congressional districts re-register to vote because they knew many would not get notified, or make it to the courthouse to register, and would be turned away from the polls in November.

I also find that sort of political strategy to be absurd, so let me be brief and just say that I am definitely not willing to reward those sort of hi-jinks either.

Next thing you know they will fire all the US Attorneys and replace them with political lackeys or something. Oh, wait, that already happened.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Thu, Sep 13, 2012, at 5:30 PM

Make that "HAT into the ring"

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Sep 13, 2012, at 3:55 PM

Wow, I gotta hand it to the Republicans.

They heard Jesus might be throwin' his hate into the ring and in nothing flat the Republicans got this political attack add ready to go...just in case...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJ1L4eeu5...

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Sep 13, 2012, at 3:46 PM

I don't know if we can pull it off SD, there may be just too many folks around without both oars in the water.

In all fairness when we look back on the early part of the Obama administration his strategy was to compromise. I believe that is a manifestation of his personality, and his tradition extending back to at least his demeanor at grad school, and as a community organizer. The Republicans dug their heels in, said no to everything, end of story.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Sep 13, 2012, at 1:28 PM

Excellent continuation Smart Dog. I've even seen that some people that post here are so blinded by their own oar or wing being the only way that they will go so far as to say that nobody using the other oar has EVER done anything to help them. Personally, I lost any respect I may have for someone when I hear such a totally biased and ridiculous blanket statement such as that.

-- Posted by Philemon on Thu, Sep 13, 2012, at 1:20 PM

Thank you MyOp. That was a breath of fresh air. I had hoped that a person of the right would break the code of saying nothing bad about anything Republican.

Yet even you repeat the tired mantra "let's move on", traditionally used to support the code you broke. That mantra, murmered as habitual response to evade any penetrating question that makes the Republican squirm inside, also needs to go.

If we are to conscientiously examine the differences between this latest proposal by the Republican Party, to the one that spawned it we must lay the proposal, and the earlier product side by side to determine real differences. If they are to serve, and lead America there must be sharp differences, for we can not tolerate, nor perhaps even politically survive four more years of that earlier eight year abomination.

It is not "where's the beef" this election cycle, it is "where's the difference". It is more meaningful to discern those differences than to spend our time comparing the Democratic program, to an unknown. It is of mutual advantage to both parties, and most of all, to the concerned American public. It is of special advantage to the Republicans because they must banish the failed policies just as they banished the symbol of them, George W. Bush from their recent convention. Hopefully America will demand it, and not settle for a good deal on a pig in the poke.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Sep 13, 2012, at 1:14 PM

I agree with Philemon that compromise is missing from politics today.

And regarding the wing analogy, it would probably be a more accurate description to say we are flying in figure 8's.

First the right wing, then the left wing, then the right wing, then the left......

You get the picture.

The boat only goes straight when we use both oars, and the bird only flies straight by flapping both wings.

However, most folks today are just sure that only one of the oars is getting the job done and the other is just a waste of time.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Thu, Sep 13, 2012, at 12:01 PM

Good analogy OKR, but incomplete.

Wouldn't flying around with only a left wing take you in just as many circles but just in the opposite direction? Just sounds silly to me.

What is really needed is compromise, but everyone's idea of compromise is for the OTHER side to come around their way of thinking. This blog has been a prime example of that reasoning with both sides looking pretty idiotic most of the time.

-- Posted by Philemon on Thu, Sep 13, 2012, at 11:52 AM

Maybe it's time to move on.

Everyone is entrenched and what passes for opinions in the midwest is entirely different from either coast, or the north or the south.

The election is over; everyone has made up their mind and the only thing is: we don't know who won yet.

-- Posted by Interested Too on Thu, Sep 13, 2012, at 9:47 AM

OKR ~ "On the other hand, hell would freeze over before you, rr3, and the rest of your ilk would admit that Reagan, Bush, or any other of your boys was wrong about anything." Well here goes... Hold onto your seat! Hell is about to freeze over! We should have NEVER invaded Iraq. I'm glad Obama got us out of there!

-- Posted by myopinionmp on Thu, Sep 13, 2012, at 9:07 AM

Let's focus on the the Left stream media I mean the mainstream media never mind its the Obama Propaganda machine...How they conspired against Mitt Romney before his press conference in other words they shared what was directed from Obama and here's a link...I must say Fox news looks more independent then the others. http://chicksontheright.com/categories/t...

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Thu, Sep 13, 2012, at 8:40 AM

OKR,

I like the analogy you posted.

If we fly around with only the right wing, we go in circles.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Thu, Sep 13, 2012, at 7:45 AM

".....if you are a lib facts don't matter." - rr3yvo

"We're not going to let our campaign be dictated by fact-checkers." - Neil Newhouse, pollster for Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney

"On all three network morning shows today, Congressman Paul Ryan repeated the falsehood he told about the Janesville GM plant in his convention speech."

Wait, rr3, who is it that is having trouble with facts?

I have yet to see anything except blind regurgitation of Limbaugh and Fox News by either of the stalwarts of Republicanism that post here regularly.

Facts are not what Limbaugh says. Facts are ....well.......the truth.

I thing someone is having trouble distinguishing between fact and opinion.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Thu, Sep 13, 2012, at 7:42 AM

"US: Still #1?"

http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/thec...

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Sep 13, 2012, at 6:11 AM

"Jesse Ventura: 'Fox News lives on intimidation"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/09/12/je...

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Sep 13, 2012, at 1:07 AM

Nah it isn't that r, its just you trying to figure out why your chickens keep coming home to roost.

Its what happens when you live in the Evil Empire.

Get used to it.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Sep 13, 2012, at 12:50 AM

You see I am right about those libs.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, Sep 13, 2012, at 12:29 AM

So are you thinking apology is the right course of action?

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, Sep 13, 2012, at 12:27 AM

r the classic example of a President ignoring national crisis was your boy Georgie reading a kiddy book about goats, continuing that as the WTC went down, then running to hide, leaving "Strangelove" Cheney in charge. You just can't top that one.

By the way did you ever figure out which one of them was the real President?

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Sep 13, 2012, at 12:25 AM

President Obama said that Romney shoots first, and aims later. He should have added, I guess he got that from Dick Cheney. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Sep 13, 2012, at 12:16 AM

Freudian, and perpetuation of racist myth News. LOL

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Sep 13, 2012, at 12:05 AM

OBAMA SKIPPED INTEL BRIEFINGS PRIOR TO ATTACKS

http://www.wnd.com/2012/09/obama-skipped...

Say it ain't so! How can he make decisions regarding the interests of our country here and abroad? Silly me just apologize.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, Sep 13, 2012, at 12:03 AM

Lol...OKR, is it just me or is there something real Freudian about r's last comment?

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Sep 12, 2012, at 11:53 PM

You know I think it was Biden said that Obama had a big stick. Where is it?

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Sep 12, 2012, at 11:44 PM

Who thinks we need to attack our political opponent for what he said before we denounce what our enemies did to us? O DOES! Who thinks we owe an apology for our First Amendment? O DOES! Who think we owe an apology for who we are? O DOES! Who thinks we owe an apology for having free speech? O DOES! But if you want to talk about zombies go ahead.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Sep 12, 2012, at 11:42 PM

The thought occurs to me that those who believe only a right wing works perpetually go around in circles.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Sep 12, 2012, at 11:41 PM

SAVAGE: ISLAMIC TAKEOVER HATCHED IN OBAMA'S 'IVORY TOWER'

http://www.wnd.com/2012/09/savage-islami...

Watch and see how the libs attack this bit of news, they won't like it or you won't hear about it. You may hear about zombies though.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Sep 12, 2012, at 11:31 PM

Well its not easy trying to have intelligent conversations with folks who think Paul Revere rode to warn the British that the Americans were armed or think that forcible rape prevents pregnancy.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Sep 12, 2012, at 11:28 PM

I think some are confused by the zombie thing being any kind of attack but is a patent lib strategy to avoid any real issues. When they don't want to talk about something they talk about anything to divert attention to any real substantive issue especially when they are on the losing end. It is simply a defensive tactic hoping the real issue will go away or at least fade into the background. We see O and the lib media do it all the time. It is getting harder and harder to cover up the real issue. It is kind of like a cat covering up stuff on a tin roof. It is kind of funny though.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Sep 12, 2012, at 11:16 PM

Zombie Jamboree took place at a Tampa cemetery.

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=yout...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Sep 12, 2012, at 11:06 PM

What a barrage! ROTFLMAO temporarily helpless to Zombie attack. Barricade defensive position example. Sentences closing ranks to become impenetrable. ROFLMAO AGAIN! Stop!

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Sep 12, 2012, at 10:57 PM

As a good lib would say when confronted with truth "ROTFLMAO".

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Sep 12, 2012, at 10:51 PM

Zombies who continue to perceive themselves as "threatened" (Zombies are natural cowards and have been known to misinterpret minor events as serious threats) even while they are behind their defensive barricade of slander and innuendo, often try to distract attention away from their weak defensive position by making a big tado of nothing.

We normally see this type of zombie behavior when the zombie's desperate attempts of cognitive activity result in increased frustration.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Sep 12, 2012, at 10:38 PM

France plans to up tax on rich

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/09/12/...

I guess we will see how that works out for them.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Sep 12, 2012, at 10:25 PM

Feds: Sebelius violated federal law by campaigning for Obama http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09/...

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Sep 12, 2012, at 10:18 PM

"Bush Vs. Zombies"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoXgRtDys...

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Sep 12, 2012, at 10:08 PM

Now if you examine the example bellow, you can see the typical barricade defensive position, as described in my previous comment, beginning to form.

At this stage of development they remain more annoying than dangerous.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Sep 12, 2012, at 9:47 PM

Well we see what the appeaser in chief has accomplished in 4 years. Anyone remember Jimmy Carter? I guess now instead of taking hostages they just kill them. Then O wants to apologize. Does this mean that we will have to pay for another apology tour? When will the libs realize that these people are never going to like us unless we become a Muslim nation. O has proven that it doesn't work to talk to them and then he has proven too cowardly to stand up to them. He dissed Israel and invited the Muslim Brotherhood to the WH. They should have never been invited to the WH. Then we give them $1.5 B dollars. Conservative news warned what would happen if they gained control of Egypt and they were right. O and the lib media completely ignored the indicators. Not only is this president a coward I don't think he is American. Would an American be happy to rule over its decline and then not stand up for her. He might as well line every man and woman in the armed forces and slap them in the face and tell them "how dare you stand up for this country and be an American". Our enemies only understand one thing and that is 'defeat' and if we don't get it we will be defeated. Our worst enemies are radical muslim terrorist, our president that can't even bring himself to say the words 'radical muslim terrorist or war on terror', and our lib lame stream media that many of you worship the lies they tell you. Romney acted more presidential then this one ever has or can and all we hear is how wrong he was to stand for America. If we don't defeat liberalism it will defeat America. I just pray to God that don't happen because there will be millions of people that truly love America caught in the middle as a casualty of liberalism. We already see it with the destruction of the family unit in blacks, the destruction of marriage by approving gay unions and they even voted down God and their leaders ignored them. I don't think our war on terror will ever end but our defeat will be an inside job, liberalism will be the destruction of America.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Sep 12, 2012, at 9:30 PM

Fortunately, the spread of zombies can be controlled, but despite the best efforts of humanitarians and educators across the World, 100% eradication of this plague has proven to be unattainable.

The zombies do have several weaknesses.

They are terrified of education or anything resembling critical thinking. In addition, facts contrary to their claims can force them into a defensive position, barricading themselves with a thin shell of biblical nonsense and empty argument.

Despite their lack of cognative capacity, the zombie can be very dangerous when placed into positions of power. Some of their species have been known to murder millions of innocents and then insist they have done nothing wrong.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Sep 12, 2012, at 9:29 PM

Jason,

That was a one day deal from stations who bought from a specific supplier did in protest to the dealer gouging them. For you to blame that on the POTUS is simply showing your ignorance.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Sep 12, 2012, at 9:26 PM

By Jove! I think you are on to something!

ROTFLMAO

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Sep 12, 2012, at 9:02 PM

Yes, I see.

Well it just so happens that recently I have been researching demons and related ghouls, and zombies are related to a variety of other blood sucking ghouls.

Fortunately, modern science has classified all the major ghoul groups. Surprisingly, Zombies are a sub species of the Bloodsucking, life robbing, super-leaches called Uselessory Baggagithicus.

The zombie, or as its known by its scientific name, "Ignoranis Biblicagunarious Clingto-onicus," is a particularly nasty species.

It thrives on the misfortunes of others, often spewing vast quantities of baseless, empty claims dating all the way back to the 1980's, repeating the claims over and over again in the hope that their victims, normal human beings, will begin to believe the craziness and transorm into zombies themselves.

Yes those zombies can be a real pain.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Sep 12, 2012, at 8:56 PM

Btw wtg Obama New York and New Jersey $9.00 galloon gas..

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Wed, Sep 12, 2012, at 8:51 PM

I didn't like Bush's spending habits but I have to admit they were better than Obama's. And btw I think we should strip all funding from Libya and Egypt and to think Obama gave millions of dollars To the Muslim Brotherhood of Egypt....And btw we should not be in country diplomatic where there has been an Arab spring,,,Another failure of Obama's regime of catering to the Islamic radicals...

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Wed, Sep 12, 2012, at 8:48 PM

News re: yours of 2:52 p. m. Is there such a thing as a zombie that walks, looks, and moves like living folks? You know, except use the brain, which slows way down zombie style? I mean a type of zombie that can do everything human style except think with accuracy. The kind that in their minds wander aimlessly, bumping into things, no matter that they have been down that path before. I think I may have seen some of those, and I am nearly certain that I have read some of their messages indicating that they lurch up, and down the same path. Would you mind applying your scientific proclivity to the question. Thank you Holmes. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Sep 12, 2012, at 7:29 PM

rr3yv0

Do you seriously believe Americans are listening to teaparty crazy nonsense?

ROTFLMAO!!

So, after the cons get themselves wupped good and hard again in the November election, they can go back to their churches and quietly listen as their witch-doctors rant and rave about crazy nonsense -- and leave the running of the Nation in the hands of rational people.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Sep 12, 2012, at 7:08 PM

I think if we had a president that could achieve say 2% unemployment, expanded our energy plan and brought gas down to around a $1 per gal, kept us out of war but kept us safe and had good economic growth many on this blog would still complain. It wouldn't matter if he were Republican or Democrat. They would be screaming to go back to high unemployment, high energy prices and get back on food stamps. This getting up and working for a living is too hard. Want 4 more years of it vote for the O he will make it much worse.

The warning signs are there for people that will listen. That isn't any different than looking at the world around us and not seeing the hand of a creator. Like I said before if you are a lib facts don't matter.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Sep 12, 2012, at 6:15 PM

"Great Recession still slamming the middle class"

"More than five years after the Great Recession began, the lingering impact of the worst downturn in a half-century continues to deplete the standard of living of middle-class American households."

http://economywatch.nbcnews.com/_news/20...

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Sep 12, 2012, at 4:21 PM

OKR,

They couldn't answer you even if they wanted to answer, because the cons are so out of touch with the American People and reality that they would not know where to begin.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Sep 12, 2012, at 2:52 PM

That letter/op-ed piece was great SD!

He said what so many in the silent majority would also like to say to the homophobic cons.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Sep 12, 2012, at 2:48 PM

Please respond r, J69, and whomever else is out there on the sidelines who embraces the Tea Party, the birther business, and other such nonsense. Can you summon your inner strength, and say one critical thing about eight years of the Bush Administration, said being the proximate cause of our present predicament?

Despite of all that you believe, and there is so much incorrect concerning that, I assure you there is no consequence to violating omerta' in the right wing of the Regressive Party. Therefore toss that from your tablet of transgressive acts.

Also please consider that if you can admit even one tiny flaw in the Bushies that you will have proven wrong in a minor way, or established at least an exception to the rule touted by the left. That rule is of course that you will say nothing critical of those eight years that you delight in, and are doing all you can to resurrect for at least four more years. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Sep 12, 2012, at 2:02 PM

Another plum SD. You are a regular Little Jack Horner. :)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Sep 12, 2012, at 12:51 PM

Hey, fellers, I stumbled onto this article last evening. Well, really it's a letter in response to some boneheaded politician back east whining about and NFL player coming out in support of gay marriage.

I must warn you. Strong language content. Do not read it if you have no appreciation of well placed profanity.

I think there may be a couple of posters here who enjoy it, however. I know I did.

http://deadspin.com/5941348/they-wont-ma...

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Wed, Sep 12, 2012, at 11:28 AM

You said r, "I am thinking if Romney wins and fails that it should be Obama's fault. Look at what he is going to inherit. If Obama wins will he still blame Bush?"

Take a deep breath, clear your mind of clutter, and read the following carefully r.

Your statement is illogical. In the simplest of terms here is why.

If a stopped car is hit from behind it is the fault of the driver of the car that hit it. If the car that was hit from behind is shoved into the car in front of it that is also the fault of the driver who initially failed his duty. Get it?

You may quibble with my graphic example, and say well if the driver in the middle had stopped further back, or kept his foot firmly on his brake he would not have hit the front car. The fact remains that none of it would have happened barring the negligence of the driver of the rear car. The legal term for it is proximate cause.

Actually during the interminate discussions of the subject on these blogs you have clung to the phantom car theory of defense, "there was no negligent driver, nor no car at the rear". Thus all the damage to the rear of the middle car (Obama) just magically appeared. In the court of common sense you my friend are deemed not a credible witness. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Sep 12, 2012, at 11:06 AM

You know, Jason, r, and the rest of the rock heads of the right just can not bring themselves to even in the slightest way, criticize any of their own political persuasion. They also can not bring themselves to say a single good thing about the center, or the left.

Is it not insanity when a human can not discern, nor speak of one good quality in over sixty percent of their fellow humans? I pity such sad fellows. They are disasterously dour.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Sep 12, 2012, at 10:30 AM

Poor Jason, he could not be further from the truth in his last statement.

George W. Bush inherited a federal budget surplus. That's right, Jason, we had paid down the national debt during the years of 1998, 1999, and 2000.

Not only did the Republican controlled White House and Congress squander the budget surplus, they doubled the national debt by 2006.

Facts, son, facts. Stop believing what Rush is shouting at you and learn something before entering into the fray.

Also, funny you know so much about Jimmy Carter as I reckon he was president when you were still in diapers. Got some first hand knowledge, do you?

Or perhaps you wish to champion that bastion of character and morality, Republican Richard Nixon, the original bad boy of modern American politics, whom Carter followed during a period that rivals right now for distrust in the federal government.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Wed, Sep 12, 2012, at 7:36 AM

rr3yvo, and Jason1969.

Please give us all your specific views on how you would run the country if you were POTUS.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Sep 12, 2012, at 7:18 AM

I am thinking if Romney wins and fails that it should be Obama's fault. Look at what he is going to inherit. If Obama wins will he still blame Bush?

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Sep 12, 2012, at 6:33 AM

George W. Bush before 9-11 had this economy recovery and must I say that he never had a month where less than 100,000 americans gained employement,,,9-11 hurt us ecnomically derailed Bush's economy.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Wed, Sep 12, 2012, at 12:54 AM

Regarding the voting record of then State Senator Obama here is a link that has a direct quote from him...http://illinoisreview.typepad.com/illinoisreview/2008/01/top-10-reasons.html

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Wed, Sep 12, 2012, at 12:51 AM

If the Navy Seal that published the book on Bin Laden Death is put up on charges,the entire Bush Administration has to be Charged with Treason!Which should have been done in the first place With an extra charge of being STUPID on Bush! There is not much more investigation needed ,with some of the statements made by the perpetrators! I would give anything to see them shot,like any other trador's, Carl Rove Put in the Gas Chamber, like the Rosenberges!

-- Posted by Jo on Tue, Sep 11, 2012, at 11:34 PM

Regarding the high risk loans Jason your perfect Republicans did their darndest to deregulate so that those high risk loans were not vetted at all, and so they could be bundled to swindle.

Will you admit that, and prove me wrong about the statement I made just before this one?

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Sep 11, 2012, at 11:19 PM

You just illustrated the difference in character between liberals, and rad righties Jason. Many of us agree that Clinton was wrong on what you outlined. Yep, we admit it.

On the other hand, hell would freeze over before you, rr3, and the rest of your ilk would admit that Reagan, Bush, or any other of your boys was wrong about anything. You guys have dodged G. W. Bush questions, and declarations for so long that you have literally lost your balance.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Sep 11, 2012, at 11:13 PM

I read the link you provided regarding partial birth abortion Jason. If this is the link http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/290... it does not say what you say it did.

Obama does not believe in killing babies, and the boogey man won't get you tonight if you don't go to sleep with a pillow over your head. I hope you are relieved on both counts.

Obama believes, along with a solid majority of women, and many men that abortion is a personal choice of the woman. Good grief, your own links don't support your statements. Weak!

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Sep 11, 2012, at 11:04 PM

Jason,

President Obama is not even half the man President Carter -- one of the greatest Presidents in the history of our Nation -- is.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Sep 11, 2012, at 11:02 PM

By the way it is you liberals that contributed to the vast majority started way back in Bill Clinton's last term when his democratic controlled congress forced into law where morgage companies had to give high risk people morgages Barney Frank was really vocal about this.... in the last century why his there only been 2 democrats re-elected full terms by thway LBJ doesn't count, I tell you why its because american's the vast majority realize they a mistake with woting a democrat to be the President...Barrack Obama is Jimmy Carter

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Tue, Sep 11, 2012, at 10:57 PM

The 9-11 commentary can be attributed to Alan Caruba, 2012 thought I included his name.

On another note you liberals have not commented on the fact that Obama believes in killing babys born alive outside the womb and that is a proven fact.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Tue, Sep 11, 2012, at 10:44 PM

And they wonder why most Americans call them tea party crazies...lol!

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Sep 11, 2012, at 10:39 PM

Oklahoma the first world trade center was on bill clinton's watch and he at one time cuold of taken Bin laden out.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Tue, Sep 11, 2012, at 10:39 PM

That is some sick stuff rr3 at the link you provided under your statement, THE RACIST, BLOODY TRUTH ABOUT DEMOCRATS.

"Whats wrong with Obama's birth certificate", "Brand-new surge in black mob violence", "Rush: Economy will collapse if Obama re-elected", et al. You must need a mental shower after rolling in all that racist filth.

You would be less of a hypocrite if you had in your all caps statement used a colon instead of a comma. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Sep 11, 2012, at 10:21 PM

Jason,

plagiarism is a very dishonorable thing to do.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Sep 11, 2012, at 10:02 PM

I knew there as a reason I couldn't wade throught that mess. Shame on you Jason.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Tue, Sep 11, 2012, at 10:00 PM

WOW! That was fast OKR!!!

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Sep 11, 2012, at 9:59 PM

No ND,

But OKR is very good at tracking original copy and has busted many cons for violations before. In fact, if I know OKR, he is having a look into it as we speak.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Sep 11, 2012, at 9:59 PM

Yeh I do Nana.

Jason you copied word for word a commentary that I located at the Tea Party Network of all places. It also pops up at several other radical right hot spots.

Shame on you. These blogs are for original comments, but then you knew that. Are you so overwhelmed that you don't have a word left to say?

Here is what Jason 'wrote". http://www.teapartynation.com/profiles/b... Gee Jason I didn't know you were so famous what you said is all over the internet. LOL

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Sep 11, 2012, at 9:56 PM

Yes, and my dear step-son was "blown up" as they phrase it, years ago in Iraq. FOR NOTHING! He is just now getting medical treatment, going through the disability rating process. Yeh Jason, we all have reason to grieve. We each pick our poison.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Sep 11, 2012, at 9:34 PM

Obama had Bin Laden killed. Is that not good enough for you?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Tue, Sep 11, 2012, at 9:32 PM

While you're remembering 9-11 Jason, and hopefully 3-21-03, don't forget to remember that it was your boy Georgie Porgie spit in your eye, bomb the world, and make it cry; that ignored warning after warning that Bin Laden was going to attack, because he was insisting, over their objections, that our federal investigating institutions spend all their time chasing non-existent evidence that Saddam Hussein was a threat to us. Read it, and weep athe following link:

http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news/201...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Sep 11, 2012, at 9:28 PM

Jason,

Pay attention to the news in the coming weeks. And I mean the "news" not FOX. You are going to find out just how incompetent Cheny/ Bush were in regard threats before 9/11. I wouldn't say they orchestrated it, but I wouldn't be surprised if they let it happen as a convenient reason to invade Iraq. And they still had to lie to get us into Iraq.

Spare us your manufactured, Rush Limbaugh inspired and FOX news swilling hatred for PRESIDENT Obama. No one here is buying what your selling.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Tue, Sep 11, 2012, at 9:22 PM

THE RACIST, BLOODY TRUTH ABOUT DEMOCRATS

http://www.wnd.com/wnd_video/the-racist-...

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Tue, Sep 11, 2012, at 9:18 PM

Jason,

Yeah and these wars are costing you your economy and your freedoms.

I know they sure cost my family and me -- especially my parents and my sister when her son, my nephew, died in combat in Afghanistan while saving the platoon of men he lead. My sister lost her son and then the Army gave her a flag.

I still haven't figured out why you warhawks sent him there to die to begin with. Have you?

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Sep 11, 2012, at 9:18 PM

The one thing I have never understood is the way Americans seem to refuse to accept the fact that the worst attack on the homeland since Pearl Harbor was planned, funded, carried out by Muslims, and was celebrated by Muslims around the world.

Perhaps the reluctance to relate the attack to "a religion" had to do with the way whole generations of Americans since the 1960s have passed through schools that indoctrinated them to believe that America has been invading other nations wrongly, supporting allies like Israel wrongly, and deserved to be attacked because of it.

Perhaps the election of a President with a Muslim name makes people reluctant to associate 9/11 with Islam?

The President, Barack Hussein Obama, is the son of a Muslim father he venerates even though he deserted and divorced his mother. He became the step-son of another Muslim his mother married, spent four years growing up in Indonesia surrounded by Muslims, until he was returned to the United States to be raised by his grandparents. While growing up in Hawaii he was mentored by a card-carrying member of the Communist Party USA and during his college years, a close friend was a Pakistani with whom he traveled to that nation.

In "Audacity of Hope" he wrote, "I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."

In retrospect 9/11 was entirely predictable. American military had been under attack since 1986 when a marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by a suicide bomber. After that, there was a succession of embassy bombings, an attack on the USS Cole.

In 1993 the first attempt to destroy the Twin Towers was unsuccessful, but was treated like an ordinary criminal case instead of the warning for heightened vigilance..

How many more Americans will have to die before we acknowledge that the enemy is Islam and the attacks reflect--not all, but many--Muslims' view that America is, in Osama bin Laden's words, the "great Satan", while Israel is the "little Satan"? It took a decade to hunt him down and kill him. In the end, he was found in Pakistan, a mile from that nation's equivalent of West Point.

This is not a call to punish American Muslims who are loyal to the nation, but even in our military service, the 2009 Fort Hood massacre by Nidal Malik Hasan, an Army Major, serves as a reminder that it is hard to know when the desire to strike fellow Americans will occur; dubbed the "sudden jihad syndrome.".

Even in the wake of 9/11 when many in the Middle East were dancing in the streets and handing out candy to celebrate, President Bush went to great lengths to separate the perpetrators from the rest of the Muslim population of the nation and the world. The end of Ramadan was celebrated in the White House under Bush and, of course, by Obama.

One wonders how long it will take for the vast body of evidence that a war is being waged by Muslims around the world against those they scorn as "unbelievers" and against whom Islam calls for "a holy war."

Recent reports from the Middle East indicate that, over the past five years, scores of Christians living in Egypt were murdered and that women and children are being abducted, tortured, raped, and forced to convert to Islam; 550 cases have been documented. The tiny Christian community in the Hamas-run Gaza strip is under siege. In Indonesia, Muslim protesters forced a church to shut down during Sunday worship. Name the nation, Iran, Lebanon, Kenya, Kuwait, Turkey, and what emerges is a consistent pattern, one that mirrors the way Islam was spread by terror and conquest since the seventh century.

Post 9/11 is testimony to a suicidal tolerance that ignores the message left by the ruins of the Twin Towers, the attack on the Pentagon, and the deaths of more than 3,000 innocent people on the airlines and in those buildings who were deemed the enemies of Islam for no other reason than being Americans, for being "infidels."

It is a fearful prospect that a nuclear mushroom cloud could rise over Israel and, in all likelihood, over New York and other U.S. cities if we do not end this foolish "tolerance" that preys on an American value we hold dear and which may well doom more Americans.

The official policy of two administrations has been to pretend that Islam is not the enemy. The Obama administration went so far as to tell NASA that its new mission was Muslim outreach. And Islam is reaching back, but not in gratitude for ridding Iraq of Saddam Hussein or protecting Afghanis against the Taliban. The hatred of America, of Christians, Jews, and all other faiths is costing lives every day.

The lesson of 9/11 is that Islam cannot be tolerated

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Tue, Sep 11, 2012, at 9:08 PM

It would cost $120,000.00 to paint the White House if a Democrat is in office. 400 paint brushes, and 100 accessory tools, made in America=$20.000.00; 2,000 hours of union labor inclusive of direct payroll, and fringe benefits=$80,000.00; 20% overhead&profit=$20,000.00.

It would cost $117,000 to paint the White House if a Republican is in office. 500 paint brushes, and 200 accessory tools made in China=$7,000.00; 2,000 hours of cash payment for illegal alien labor=$20,000; Contract litigation fees, $20,000.00; overhead $10,000.00; Profit to Contractor, $60,00.00. half to be deposited in a Cayman Islands account, half to be deposited in a Swiss bank account upon reciept of $10,000.00 from said contractor by The Republican National Committee.

(Given: paint comes from government stock on hand)

The Republicans get a campaign issue boasting that the Democrats spend too much money, even to paint the White House. They rage about the price paid for labor, and the overage for tool purchases.

Sometimes it is hard to see the big picture. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Sep 11, 2012, at 9:00 PM

You all just showed why I think that most liberals suffer from a mental disorder.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Tue, Sep 11, 2012, at 8:44 PM

Jason1969

What better way to show our respect for our fallen comrades than exercising those rights the terrorists were attacking?

I decline your invitation Jason.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Sep 11, 2012, at 8:26 PM

Ahhh Jason me boy, so's yez have a soft heart for the 3000. Ye will be doin' the same for the innocent lambs lost March 21st, 2003 will ye?

Unless yur fergettin' that was the black day, under false pretenses ye see, we unleashed 1700 air sorties includin' 504 cruise missiles on Iraq, mostly on their largest city where many of the women, and children lived ye see. I know you won't be forgettin' to mourn them 3-21-2013.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Sep 11, 2012, at 8:03 PM

I believe in freedom of speech with that being said I am with hold all comments on this blog till tomorrow out of respect for 9/11, It is great to be in a country where we can have freedom of speech....I am sorry if I have offended anyone while execrcising my freedom

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Tue, Sep 11, 2012, at 6:58 PM

outsider

Yeah well, I suspect his business holdings are probably sub-corp, which means its a corporation in which he is probably is the major shareholder.

If you dig deep enough you will probably learn that its the corporation's management that is defending the corporation in its tax dispute with the IRS.

But whether its a corp, sub-corp, partnership, or single proprietorship, such tax disputes are common in business which explains why companies spend so much money on tax planning each and every year. That does not make either the business or Congressman Cleaver a bad guy at all.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Sep 11, 2012, at 4:50 PM

Since you're on the other side of the planet, you probably aren't aware that this whole thing started because he hadn't paid taxes on the business for several years. I'm sure you're correcting that oversight by Google-ing madly at the moment.

The main point is that taxpayers are probably gonna be left holding the bag for this government backed loan while the glorious Rev is slamming fellow representatives over ethics.

-- Posted by outsider on Tue, Sep 11, 2012, at 3:46 PM

outsider

I read the article.

The article indicates the court is resolving a dispute between a carwash and a lender. In addition, the article indicates that Congressman Cleaver is at least 1 of the owners of the carwash.

Its a civil dispute over a business loan. It is not a criminal case. Such disputes are indeed common in business and occur daily.

So...your point is?

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Sep 11, 2012, at 2:52 PM

How about our beloved representative, the honorable Rev. Cleaver, trying to get out of paying back a small business loan?

From the KC STAR

http://midwestdemocracy.com/articles/cle...

-- Posted by outsider on Tue, Sep 11, 2012, at 2:37 PM

RE; Taxing Churches -

If you tax churches they would no longer have tax-exempt non-profit status and therefore CEOs could no longer give their 1/2 of 1 percent to the churches for a tax write-off. Silly people.

-- Posted by gentle ben on Tue, Sep 11, 2012, at 1:40 PM

NanaDot - Why don't you tell us how you REALLY feel?

-- Posted by gentle ben on Tue, Sep 11, 2012, at 1:34 PM

From time to time I read little anecdotes on these blogs that all run as some version of; I saw a three hundred pound woman with nine kids buying potato chips, Coca Cola, and candy bars with her welfare card, and then going to her big Cadillac with a TV built in, where her drunken husband with a case of premium beer on his lap was popping the cap on another one.

I have yet to read an anecdote saying that I saw a poor woman with two kids, all three clean as can be, at the grocery store buying store brand healthy foods with her welfare card.

Either that second example is so common that it is not worth remarking about, or nasty narrow minded people with ugly hearts are on the look out for those outlined in my first example so that they can scorn the downtrodden. Watcha wanna bet it is for both reasons?

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Sep 11, 2012, at 11:42 AM

Speaking of home runs Nana you just hit a walk off. Too bad that a third of the spectators at the biggest ball game of all are wearing blinder glasses passed out free by the owners. The owners recoup their cost for even that by selling non-nourishing, hot air popped corn priced at half a day's wage to the dim wits.

Those fans of the man ought to sit together in their own special section designed for the self handicapped. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Sep 11, 2012, at 11:16 AM

Pray Nana....just pray. Ever noticed how some folks don't want the govt. to do anything for anybody while at the same time praying to god for everything? Where's their personal responsibility?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Tue, Sep 11, 2012, at 10:38 AM

Who in their right minds thinks that it would be a good idea to return to the days of a GOP controlled government.

I suppose in 2001, Dick and George were far too busy stuffing money in their pockets to actually pay attention, eh?

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_162-5...

And, yes Jason, President Obama is pro choice. What's your point? We already can see that you are a one issue voter.

I'll tell you what. How 'bout we have put the "Choice vs. Life" issue on a ballot and only let women vote on it. How do you think that will turn out?

BTW, still waiting for those bible references to abortion or gay marriage.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Tue, Sep 11, 2012, at 8:29 AM

rr3yvo,

In your thinly veiled attempt to call me stupid I would like to point out that your "Engvall" quote also included one of Ron White's quotes.

I guess your right though, "you can't fix stupid."

Now, would you like to answer the original question?

You mentioned the Chevy Volt. Well. we have to start somewhere to get away from foreign oil becuase the reality is that we cannot produce enough of our own. That's what's called a "fact" just in case you are unfamiliar with the concept.

Remember when microwaves hit the market in the mid to late 70's? They were a very expensive home appliance. Now they almost give them away. Same thing for computer printers and cell phones. Look how far things have come in 30 yrs.

We have to give this technology a chance to be refined. I guess if you were in charge we would still be living in biblical times full of Ox carts and outhouses.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Tue, Sep 11, 2012, at 5:24 AM

Oh and may I also say that its time those deadbeat churches show some personal responsibility and stop making the tax payers foot the whole bill for the cost and repair of public assets while the deadbeat churches use our public infrastructure willy-nilly for free.

DEAD BEAT CHURCHES, LISTEN UP AND LISTEN UP WELL.

ITS TIME CHURCHES START PAYING THEIR FAIR SHARE OF THE TAXES.

THE FREE RIDE IS OVER!!

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Sep 11, 2012, at 1:08 AM

I agree WTF,

The Churches should pay their fair share of taxes.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Sep 11, 2012, at 12:59 AM

You know I always love to listen to comedian Bill Engvall talking about "Here's your sign". Stupid is something you just can't fix.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Mon, Sep 10, 2012, at 11:52 PM

rr3yvo,

Ok, and let's start taxing churches. That would save taxpayers billions too. Agreed?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Mon, Sep 10, 2012, at 10:04 PM

Chevy Volt cost almost $89000 to produce and they can't even sell them at a loss for $40000. That's the government trying to pick winners and losers. The free market is very effective at that, if you make something people want they will buy it if you make something they don't want they won't buy and you go bankrupt. GM should have went bankrupt and saved the American taxpayer billions of dollars. If anyone thinks I am wrong then go buy a Volt to prove it.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Mon, Sep 10, 2012, at 9:13 PM

Oh, and Jason, please remember, corporations are people too my friend.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Sep 10, 2012, at 8:40 PM

Ok, after reading that I would like to add...and I am also so glad I don't have to work for a living. Being a permanent tourist under the Southern Cross is a much better occupation.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Sep 10, 2012, at 8:04 PM

Jason,

Can you for one moment even fathom the brink we were on in 2008? This was something that was unprecedented since 1929. I for one can understand that it cannot be fixed in a couple of years. It will take some time. The president, no matter who it may be is not magic.I dare say that a McCain/Palin administration couldn't have done any better by this point. They will also need help from congress, corporations and a little bit of patience from the electorate. We live in an internet and microwave society but sometimes real problems just don't work out themselves out that way. I work in manufacturing and still have a job and and house. That might not be the case if drastic measures had not been taken. I am thankful.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Mon, Sep 10, 2012, at 7:47 PM

Lol...I am so glad I don't have to live there.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Sep 10, 2012, at 7:24 PM

I'm not sure which president it would be. Probably not George W. Bush. In January 2009, when he left office, unemployment was above 7.5% (http://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2009/feb/wk2/art02.htm). The average gas price was $1.84 per gallon (http://news.consumerreports.org/cars/2009/01/average-gas-pricesjanuary-26-2009.html) and food stamp users numbered more than 32 million (http://frac.org/reports-and-resources/snapfood-stamp-monthly-participation-data/snapfood-stamp-past-data-2009/).

-- Posted by taxedpayer on Mon, Sep 10, 2012, at 7:06 PM

Listen first for most I am not a humanist I do believe we have free will we should have a willing heart to help others. I believe that just because I earned something I should not have to share something I did the hard work I alone should reap the award and with me being of good heart I would give my money to a proven charity and not to the goverment if you want to have higher taxes why not donate to the goverment they have a Tax form for that,

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Mon, Sep 10, 2012, at 5:54 PM

When I left office, unemployment was 4.7%, gas cost $2.26 a gallon and 17 million Americans were on food stamps. Almost 4 years later under Obama, unemployment is at a record 8.3%, gas costs $4.00 a gallon and 43 million Americans are on food Can you name the Presicent???

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Mon, Sep 10, 2012, at 5:43 PM

Thanks IntToo. :)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Sep 10, 2012, at 5:21 PM

Well Jason,

Would you care to comment on the questions I posed to you in an eariler post?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Mon, Sep 10, 2012, at 4:54 PM

I have this problem; when anything occupies my attention I find it hard to let go until I have done what I can to make it better. So it goes with the poem I wrote last night.

Therefore I have asked Eric to delete it in favor of the revised version I am posting now.

An apple barrel is bound to fall if it tilts too far to the right,

when it goes down it may become a very serious plight .

The Republican Party is an apple barrel turned on its side.

The apples at the top rolled out, and found a place to hide.

The apples in the middle smelled rot from down below.

They too rolled right out in search of a place to go.

Those left inside the barrel are bottom dwellers all,

believing that they're on top since the barrel's fall.

They hope to at least be vinegar, so they often play that part,

but their destiny is to shrivel, and it has been since the start.

When the barrel is empty, and time has scoured the mess,

good apples may refill the barrel, faint hope I must confess.

For there are other apple barrels, and some are standing tall,

instead those may fill with apples, later on this fall.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Sep 10, 2012, at 3:58 PM

Last and final proof Obama in his own words and there is audio to prove it http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlic...

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Mon, Sep 10, 2012, at 3:27 PM

Obama has consistently refused to support legislation that would define an infant who survives a late-term induced-labor abortion as a human being with the right to live. He insists that no restriction must ever be placed on the right of a mother to decide to abort her child.

On March 30, 2001, Obama was the only Illinois senator who rose to speak against a bill that would have protected babies who survived late term labor-induced abortion. Obama rose to object that if the bill passed, and a nine-month-old fetus survived a late-term labor-induced abortion was deemed to be a person who had a right to live, then the law would "forbid abortions to take place." Obama further explained the equal protection clause of the Fourteenth Amendment does not allow somebody to kill a child, so if the law deemed a child who survived a late-term labor-induced abortion had a right to live, "then this would be an anti-abortion statute."

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Mon, Sep 10, 2012, at 3:21 PM

Obama's stance of imfantcide including a quote from him...http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/290707/when-obama-voted-infanticide-andrew-c-mccarthy#

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Mon, Sep 10, 2012, at 3:10 PM

That website that I publish have links to actuall voting records and his inactivity on his abortion stance.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Mon, Sep 10, 2012, at 3:09 PM

Read this about Obama's voting history when it came to abortion. http://www.akdart.com/obama61.html

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Mon, Sep 10, 2012, at 3:05 PM

WTF ~ "Do you think it's possible that some of the largest employers who could hire just won't in order to punish an administration and make them look bad in the eyes of the electorate?" Absolutely! It's also, in my conservative opinion, very possible that the GOP says Obama hasn't gotten anything done for America the last 4 years because they're the ones that are stopping him. Most anything that he wants to do, good or bad, has been stopped by the Republicans because they don't want him to have credit for anything good that happens. It's a miracle that something as big as Obamacare got passed. It's all a big game of politics.

-- Posted by myopinionmp on Mon, Sep 10, 2012, at 1:24 PM

Jason,

I did find one video that suggests this, but it was just a part of the speech, where he states that it ought not to be the government's call.

Isn't that what proponents of smaller government are arguing for?

If you decide to cite a source, please check to see that it is a total quote, not something out of context.

-- Posted by Interested Too on Mon, Sep 10, 2012, at 1:17 PM

Actually, Jason...

I have been looking and looking. I have also asked a few of my Republican friends.

Nowhere can I find a quote or reference to President Obama condoning the end of a life after a partial birth abortion. In fact, I have not been able to find a source that directly quotes him, or any vote he may have taken on that issue.

Please cite your printed facts.

Thanks.

-- Posted by Interested Too on Mon, Sep 10, 2012, at 12:59 PM

And, oh yeah, please get off the Stalin and Hitler thing, that just makes you sound foolish.

If you study political science some, you will learn that ultra-conservatism is much closer to facism than anything else.

I suggest wikipedia. There you can find accurate definitions for socialism, liberalism, conservatism, facism, communism, and democracy.

Might want to check out fundamentalism, theocracy, and the "divine right of kings" for interesting reading also. That last one is a hint as to why our founding fathers saw fit to make sure there was a separation of government and religion in America.

You may find you have been slightly misled by your political party of choice.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Mon, Sep 10, 2012, at 12:59 PM

Still waiting for the evidence from the bible regarding abortion. The Super-Christians believe it is a sin because they were told so, nothing more.

There are no references in the bible that I can find. Still waiting for someone to show me. Perhaps we will see another incorrect reference to Leviticus 31.

Also still waiting for the bible version of why gay marriage is bad. If we want to use the old Soddom & Gomorrah story from the Old Testament, then we have to literally interpret all those other goodies in the Old Testament as well, don't we?

And yes, Sodom and Gomorrah are brought up in the New Testament as well, but in references to the original story in the Old Testament.

Of course, historians have yet to locate the mythical cities of Sodom or Gomorrah. Most scholars believe them to be made up as metaphors for purposes of telling the original story.

Y'all keep right of believing that the bible says this stuff though. For a bunch of folks that supposedly hang on every word in that old book, most don't seem to know it very well.

By the way, Jason, my life is not a "personal mess" as you so insultingly put it and I have no need for anyone to clean it up for me.

And yes, you are right that I am free to believe what I want to. However, any statement I make will be based on facts. Perhaps you could point out how my factual statements regarding economics or history are misguided.

I will admit to conjecture in paragraph one, where I attempted to decipher what you are thinking.

The balance are all facts. I would be glad to read anything you can produce to dispute them.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Mon, Sep 10, 2012, at 12:45 PM

"Why Dummies Want to Forget the Tea Party Ancestry"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiaI63pBm...

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Sep 10, 2012, at 12:37 PM

Jason.

Seems like you are quite the advocate for the sanctity of life. Admittedly, that is a noble attribute for which you can be proud.

I can't help but wonder though, what would you say to the mothers of the thousands of dead iraqi's and coalition soldiers whose deaths were based soley on lies of the war profiteers?

Does the sanctity of life not count after you are born?

What about those who are sick and dying? We can't seem to wait to turn our backs on them as well. Is there no sanctity in thier lives?

As the christian you claim to be, could you tell us, based on your seemingly superior religious beliefs, just which lives are worthy and which aren't because I'm getting a little confused here.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Mon, Sep 10, 2012, at 12:24 PM

I do not agree with you being a Christian is about free will God doesn't force himself on you and neither should the goverment..You have a right to choose your path in life and if you want the goverment to continue to clean up your personal mess of a life then keep voting for a Democrat who believes that is ok to abort a baby at 8 and 9mths that if the baby is still alive after the attempted abortion to kill the baby that folks was practiced by Hitler and Stalin so yeah Obama is related to that sick thinking of Stalin and Hitler And when you keep a group of minority blinded into thinking they can't make a living and you need the goverment...That is closer to Hitler and Stalin.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Mon, Sep 10, 2012, at 10:57 AM

You have a right to believe in what you want to believe in even if your misguided.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Mon, Sep 10, 2012, at 10:51 AM

It would appear that Jason and rr3 have capitulated and decided that there are folks out there in America who deserve more than they have just by virtue of who they were born to, or who they were related to, or who they have screwed over in business.

Let's hear it for the folks that think trickle-down economics works and that greed is a Christian value. I reckon they forgot the part about capitalism where it is known that it is a zero sum game. For every billionaire that makes another million, the money leaves someone, or several others. As the rich get richer, the poor get poorer. The only way for everyone to get wealthy at the same time is to constantly create new wealth by creating new products, goods, and services. I have not seen any businesses willing to do that here in the 21st century. They are all waiting for government sponsored research to do the heavy lifting.

What has gone on for the last 12 years is not growth. For the first 8 years of the new millenium (2000-2008) the 100% republican government squandered our budget surplus and doubled the national debt while not expanding the economy at all. The poor and middle classes suffered the brunt of the losses while the wealthiest Americans incomes increased significantly.

I, as a person firmly planted in the middle class, think my chances of a fair deal are better with the democrats. The GOP has done nothing to convince me that they have anything in mind but a return to the failed economic policies of the Bush years. I have no desire what-so-ever to return to that mess.

And by the way, fellers, I have a newsflash for you: Jesus was a big old liberal who espoused social justice and equality a couple of millenium ago. I fear that your disdain of abortion and gay folks would not be enough to put him on your team.

Then there's that thing about it being easier to pass a camel through the eye of a needle that a rich man finding his way into the Kingdom of Heaven. Good thing Mitt's a Mormon, I don't think they have any criteria for getting your planet that are dependent on one's financial status. Not sure though, I am not familiar with Mormon dogma.

I am very sure about the biblical view on greed, wealth, and arrogance are however.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Mon, Sep 10, 2012, at 8:07 AM

OR:

Your best effort in recent past. I think you got to the core of the problem.

Unfortunately, the fruits of your labor will not respond in a positive way. Perhaps a caramel coating would sweeten them up!

-- Posted by Interested Too on Mon, Sep 10, 2012, at 7:50 AM

"Cain"

Chris Thomas King

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3xjLZymG...

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Sep 10, 2012, at 2:29 AM

Jason, and r do you agree, or disagree with my comment posted at 3:02p.m. today? Will you answer please.

Let's get specific. Enough of this Liberals are this, or Liberals are that. Vague blanket statements are the product of fuzzy minds, of course not necessarily warm, and fuzzy minds. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Sep 10, 2012, at 12:00 AM

As far as Republican's we are far from Facism, we don't hate minorities and we don't want the goverment controlling everything unlike liberals...Biden is a clear example on that when he made what many african americans believe was at the least over the top. Then one about where the republican's would put you all in chains....That is spreading hate. Recently when they had no mention of God in their platform and they recieved heat about that they quickly offered an amendment to include god and israel in their platform well before they even voted on the tele prompter it said with 2/3 rds saying yest to the admenment the motion is pass they took this vote 3 times and clearly it was a loud no voted on meaning there was clearly not a majority yes vote...The democrat leaders shoved this on their platform completely ignoring their delegates...These people the Democrat Leadership is only out to save face and try to gain votes because they know Obama has a high chance of not being re-elected..

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Sun, Sep 9, 2012, at 10:46 PM

Lol, since socialism is an economic system and not a political ideology, he was wrong from the start mate.

Hitler, much like Stalin, Mussolini, Mao, Franco, Pinochet, and so many dictators before them utilized authoritarian political systems. Yet, despite the fact that all of them utilized similar authoritarian political systems, many of them had vastly different economic systems. That certainly should warn us of the dangers of authoritarian political systems, but it tells us very little about economic systems.

Socialism is a scientific approach to economics that is far more democratic than capitalism in questions of allocation and far more equitable in its distribution of goods and services, and as the empirical evidence suggests, thrives best in a free and open, democratic society.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Sep 9, 2012, at 10:34 PM

Jason you were spot on. But the facts don't matter to libs thats why they have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sun, Sep 9, 2012, at 9:39 PM

"Krugman: Republican base is 'elderly white people arguing with empty chairs'"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/09/09/kr...

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Sep 9, 2012, at 9:08 PM

Jason1969

You did an excellent job of showing me that you have no idea what socialism is, what communism is, and what stalinism is -- none, 0, zero, zip, nada.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Sep 9, 2012, at 4:25 PM

"When you believe an indidual's wealth should be shared that is a socialist."

Then Jason you are surely a socialist unless you are sociopathic.

Believing that is following the instructions of Jesus Christ if you are an unhypocritical Christian.

Believing that comes from rational thought supporting instinctive altruism if you are a humanist.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Sep 9, 2012, at 3:02 PM

Over 8% unemployment, doubled our deficit in less than 4 years, worst recovery since the great depression, etc. Amazing how libs embrace failure and justify it as something we deserve.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sun, Sep 9, 2012, at 1:32 PM

Jason,

What is it when you start illegal wars for fun and profit?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Sun, Sep 9, 2012, at 1:17 PM

When you start telling the press core what they can ask that is goverment control that in itself is a socialist...He is on record for doing that, When you believe an indidual's wealth should be shared that is a socialist...When you start controlling when religon can be shown that is socialism

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Sun, Sep 9, 2012, at 12:50 PM

When you think that goverment control is good and the right thing to do when you tell business what they can can not do that is in it self a socialist...Rather you like it or Obama is a socialist look up the definitions.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Sun, Sep 9, 2012, at 12:47 PM

I hope things are going well. Good to see you ND. Your voice is missed here. :)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Sep 9, 2012, at 12:19 PM

Obama is a socialist who has communist tendacies.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Sun, Sep 9, 2012, at 9:37 AM

In March of 2004 then Presidential Cannidate Barrack Obama said that the jobs report of 308,000 new jobs was a sign of a bad economy btw 62.8% of the population was employed now lets fast forward his comment on the Aug 2012 job report where 96,000 the jobs reported gained and with 58.4 percent employed he stated the economy was growing what a hyprocrite

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Sun, Sep 9, 2012, at 9:35 AM

Jason,

Could you name some of the high profile American Stalinists you were referring to please?

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Sep 9, 2012, at 1:03 AM

Jason1969

I am a liberal.

I am a democratic Socialist.

Yet I have never met a single liberal who supports stalinism or stalinist ideals.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Sep 9, 2012, at 12:56 AM

I would say that the progressive liberal left is costly related to the Stalin like communist ideology

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Sat, Sep 8, 2012, at 11:05 PM

"Respect Yourself"

The Staples Singers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1II2nPmBZ...

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Sep 8, 2012, at 5:33 PM

If a Person would just wash your Brain of any kind of Political thinking, and concentrate on being a commonsense Human Being,the World would be a place you could live in! When you have a bunch of self serving people that has never actually did a good days work in their life, trying to change things for the Majority, the Majority is going to suffer! This analogy of stiff upper lip and Bootstrap B.S.. is just that,B.S.! I have paid and served this Country for most of my life,so now it's my turn, other Americans has did their share! So get our butt out of other Countries,and use that Money to help the People of the U.S.A.That's not Charity! It's the Countries Obligation! All this labeling of things and People SUCK'S, AND EVERYONE KNOWS IT,IF THEIR HONEST! I DON'T CARE HOW MUCH YOU HAVE OR DON'T HAVE!You help your fellow Man! Of course this is my Opinion!

-- Posted by Jo on Sat, Sep 8, 2012, at 1:09 PM

Jason1969

You can put your boots in an oven and call them cookies, but they're still boots.

American conservative political and economic ideals are duplicates of fascist ideals. You can call it whatever you want and it remains fascism because it is based in fascist philosophy.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Sep 7, 2012, at 11:48 PM

Do yourselves a favor; check out Reverend Bob Stewart's latest blog entry. It will scare the BeJeezus out of you, or into you, depending on your current state of being.

Seriously, it is a thought provoking, and timely effort on his part.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Sep 7, 2012, at 11:35 PM

And just because someone does not agree with your politics does not mean they are nazi or a radical just means they have different views also means your intolerant to the expression of that view point.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Fri, Sep 7, 2012, at 11:26 PM

Your arguement about companies not hiring because of the elections coming is in itself kind of for the lack of a better word un founded if you would look at the whole picture you would notice a pattern of the downard turns of the job market. Your basically saying that a commpany would much rather risk not having a better product or service by not hiring in order to make the admistration look bad I would except this arguement if this problem had only existed in the last few months.....Like I said their is all way going to be a far left(socialist) and far right unfortunately the era of moderation is gone.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Fri, Sep 7, 2012, at 11:24 PM

"This Land Is Your Land"

"Like Woody Wrote It

But sly old Pete, who actually hoboed with Woody during the Depression and Dust Bowl, had the crowd sing the song as it was actually written, as not only a celebration of this great land, but as a demand for workers' and people's rights. That is, he restored the verses that have been censored from the song over the years to make it less political:"

http://archive.truthout.org/011909R

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Sep 7, 2012, at 8:17 PM

This land is your land. This land is my land. From California to the New York Island............and so on.

-- Posted by red dog on Fri, Sep 7, 2012, at 7:20 PM

I think perhaps followers of teaparty/fascist ideology don't respond well to reason.

They just don't get it.

"Worried Man Blues"

Pete Seeger & Johnny Cash

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHbTWJ9tj...

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Sep 7, 2012, at 4:33 PM

"Ludlow Massacre"

Woody Guthrie

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDd64suDz...

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Sep 7, 2012, at 4:22 PM

I agree RD; WTF hit it on the money!

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Sep 7, 2012, at 4:05 PM

Pay attention to what WTF is saying. Think on it not as a liberal/conservative/whatever, but as a reasonable human being. Really think on it because WTF's comments are certainly reasonable.

-- Posted by red dog on Fri, Sep 7, 2012, at 3:56 PM

"All You Fascists Bound To Lose"

Woody Guthrie

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwcKwGS7O...

I'll let Woody explain it.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Sep 7, 2012, at 3:13 PM

Jason1969

If by "bias" you mean that I reject fascist ideology, then you are correct.

I prefer the principles of freedom, liberty, and democracy to the conservative principles of enslavement, racism, and theocracy.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Sep 7, 2012, at 2:37 PM

...or that they would rather just outsource to a worker making $3 a day? Let's all think about that this weekend when we are shopping at Wal-Mart. Does anyone think for a minute that the corporations wants whats best for us? What would you have the president do? Lower the corp. tax rate because it's too high?

Let's talk for a minute about what the corporations get from john q. taxpayer.

Roads, Bridges, Emergency services, Air traffic controllers, The coast guard, the corps of engineers , the national weather service, NOAA and many many other tax payer funded services that if eliminated they would be out of business, yet they don't want to kick in. That my friends is what's wrong with America.

You think the Koch brothers don't need our weather satellites? Our air traffic controllers? Our coast guard to keep our shipping safe? They want us to pay for all of that while they enjoy the benefits.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, Sep 7, 2012, at 11:57 AM

Jason69, first of all thanks for posting, and contributing a rightist point of view to this dialogue. I wish more from the right would.

Having said that, I find that your comments are no more than another trickle of the hope killing position from the body on the right. From the nefarious corporatist sponsors of the movement, to the most ignorant drunken redneck about to fall off a bar stool it is the same simple hopeless message. It goes like this; first an angry rant about what is wrong with America, and there is plenty to choose from, then kick out the Democrats, or the left, or the socialists, or the communists, the chosen noun reflecting the degree of paranoia of the speaker. Then follows the less enthusiastic conclusive statement that we must elect the Republican candidate for president, or Senator, or whatever level of politics is at the conversational fore. That is where the message of the Right falls short, and in fact looses all its steam, becoming instead a puddle on the floor of stale liquid with a yellow tint.

The Right wants us to go back to what they delivered for eight years, they have absolutely nothing to give, they voided themselves in an eight year run. An eight year run that left them so wet that no diaper can hide it.

Until the Right can deliver something more than what they strain to deliver one more time, they are just urinating into the wind. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Sep 7, 2012, at 11:51 AM

Do you think it's possible that some of the largest employers who could hire just won't in order to punish an administration and make them look bad in the eyes of the electorate?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, Sep 7, 2012, at 11:43 AM

300,000 people gave up last month looking for a job only 96k found jobs...You need well over 200,000 new jobs added a month to have have a healthy economic outlook these are hard facts, this is the Obama effect.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Fri, Sep 7, 2012, at 10:37 AM

Excuse the typos the computer is fcoused on polls and not typos.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Fri, Sep 7, 2012, at 8:46 AM

The person that wrote that is very left leaning he is focusing on the republican politics inside the republican would it not be prudent to include a study of the democrat party so that you can make a statement I notice your totally focused on the things going wrong with the republican you may not want to admit it but your biasa as well and to afraid to admit that your left leaning I would even dare say a liberal.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Fri, Sep 7, 2012, at 8:45 AM

Jason1969

Apparently you must have missed the statistics and demographics cited in the article I posted a link to in a previous comment entitled: "The Republican Party's Demographic Time Bomb"

The facts seem to be in conflict with what you believe.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Sep 7, 2012, at 7:37 AM

I believe their are redicals on both side of the aisle for instance President Obama has voted for before that if a baby still alive after a partial term abortion you should in fact kill the baby to me that is infantcide I believe that both parties have lost members...And both have narrowed their points of view there is no longer a middle its either far right or far left.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Fri, Sep 7, 2012, at 7:11 AM

"You Might be a Tea[partier] If......"

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2011/02/16/...

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Sep 7, 2012, at 4:20 AM

"The Republican Party's Demographic Time Bomb"

http://www.nextgenjournal.com/2012/02/th...

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Sep 7, 2012, at 4:15 AM

Jason69 you do agree that the Republican Party has been losing members for a long time? The Democrats have been losing members also, but not so drastically. Meanwhile the percentage independent voters has grown to be the largest block. Independents, 37%; Democratic voters, 34%; and Republican voters only 28%.

I believe it is because the focus of the Republican Party continues to move farther to the right, and that the beliefs of the Tea Party dominate the Republican agenda. There is no doubt that they have become philosophically less inclusive. They have some Latino members, many of whom are Cuban Americans, but hardly any Black members. I saw a percentage somewhere recently that put it at two percent.

The truth is if the party continues to make its policies more narrowly focused, more will leave.

I predict that if the Republicans lose the presidential election, lose even one senator, and if their majority in the House shrinks by as many as ten there will be cries from within the party to soften their stridency on social issues, and entitlements. The problem is that the energetic far right base will not allow them to do it. They are caught between a rock, and a hard place.

Even more dangerous is if they should somehow win the Presidency, gain control of the Senate, and retain the House, but then make a mess of things in the next four years, which I think will happen if they stick to their guns on policies they tout, they are toast for at least a generation.

In my opinion their policies have become so radical, their focus so narrow, and their membership so exclusive that I can already smell burning toast.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Sep 7, 2012, at 1:21 AM

"FEELING GOOD"

NINA SIMONE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfJRX-8SX...

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Sep 6, 2012, at 10:54 PM

"2012 or Never"

"Republicans are worried this election could be their last chance to stop history. This is fear talking. But not paranoia."

http://nymag.com/news/features/gop-prima...

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Sep 6, 2012, at 9:38 PM

Regardless of what they may say, 99.9% of people planning on voting have made up their minds and won't change them. I like to mess with the surveyors when they call, as they are uninvited callers, and deserve false answers.

-- Posted by Interested Too on Thu, Sep 6, 2012, at 9:33 PM

Not all Republican's are Tea party people that is kind of generalizing and it is kind of ignorant if you don't think Republican's are not inclusive we have black hispanic and other minorities that are members of the Republican party you would of notice if you had watch the RNC>

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Thu, Sep 6, 2012, at 8:59 PM

I am pretty sure there is hardly Reagan Democrats in the tea party....They went back to Democrat when Obama came a long...Both sides have swing voters and this is what I am talking about.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Thu, Sep 6, 2012, at 8:54 PM

Jason1969

Yeah nobody gets everything they want in politics or life, but there are no "Reagan Democrats" to swing over (they went Republican back in the '80's and now comprise a large segment of the teaparty crazy thing}. And frankly, though the Democrat Party is a diverse Party, they are not crazy and they don't have any intention of voting crazy.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Sep 6, 2012, at 7:58 PM

"I'm a Tea[partier] For Jesus"

Edward Current

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2Xw-7gsf...

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Sep 6, 2012, at 7:46 PM

Yes but I think the platform debacle could have effect on thos democrats that are not you would call hard core liberals meaning the Reagan Democrats may not be voting for Obama this year plus this also could be a real big turn off to those that didn't want God mention on their platform..The NOs were pretty loud.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Thu, Sep 6, 2012, at 7:40 PM

Jason,

Teaparty crazies, aka, the Republicans, weren't going to be voting for Obama anyway. They really don't matter in this race at this point. In addition, the Democrat base is committed to the democrats and there really is no practical purpose in Romney's attempting to swing any Democrats over to the crazy side. That just ain't going to happen mate.

So really, presuming the Democrat base is now relatively fired up and getting the vote out, the Republicans don't stand a chance. They are a political minority relative to the number of Democrats.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Sep 6, 2012, at 7:11 PM

Interesting observation when the Dems were voting to amend their platform to include and say that the capital they rcogonize in Israel is Jerusalem seems to me the that there was not a 2/3rds vote....I am wondering if they Bowed to the pressure of Jewish and Christian Democrats. Wondering if this might be a turn off to some conservative and moderate democrats it enough to not make them want to vote or even for a man they don't think represents their view.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Thu, Sep 6, 2012, at 6:49 PM

The problem with Ron Paul is that he is as flawed as the two candidates from whom we will likely choose, just in a different way. I don't think I can bring myself to support any candidate whose philosophical corner stone is Ayn Rand. That goes for Ryan too, who is doubly troubling. A fundamentalist Catholic, and an Ayn Rand fanactic has to be mentally disturbed because of that perverse mix.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Sep 6, 2012, at 6:38 PM

I reckon that Ron Paul is the only one on the horizon who is capable of uniting the Dems, and Regressives of Congress.

Upon his election they will close ranks, and make a mad dash to impeach, and convict. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Sep 6, 2012, at 5:49 PM

I gotta say that Ron Paul's penchant for candor made him stand out like a sore thumb in that unctous bunch of primary candidates that looked, and sounded like a clump of morticians after a mass killing. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Sep 6, 2012, at 5:29 PM

myopinionmp

I think Paul would make a truly great President, and right now at this point, a truly great President is exactly what our Nation needs.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Sep 6, 2012, at 5:22 PM

Now you're talking, News!! Ron Paul was my number one pick for the Repub. ticket!!

-- Posted by myopinionmp on Thu, Sep 6, 2012, at 5:10 PM

But if Ron Paul goes for an independent run, I would be very inclined to casting my vote for him.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Sep 6, 2012, at 4:59 PM

GB

I have not made a decision as to which candidate or party I will be supporting with my vote.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Sep 6, 2012, at 4:49 PM

gb see my comment of Wed. 9-5-12 11:19 which discusses one way to non-violent change. :)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Sep 6, 2012, at 4:16 PM

On gun Control

"Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence ... From the hour the Pilgrims landed, to the present day, events, occurrences, and tendencies prove that to ensure peace, security, and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable ... The very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference -- they deserve a place of honor with all that's good."

- George Washington.

And what about these other legendary Americans?

"When we got organized as a country, they wrote a fairly radical Constitution, with a radical Bill of Rights, giving radical amounts of freedom to Americans, it was assumed that Americans who had that freedom would use it responsibly. When personal freedom is being abused, you have to move to limit it." - Ex-President Bill Clinton

"We can't be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans ..." Bill Clinton

"Gun registration is not enough. Waiting periods are only a step. Registration is only a step. The prohibition of private firearms is the goal." - Janet Reno

And other world leaders from the past ...

"This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead." (Chancelor's Speech, 1935 by Adolf Hilter)

"Germans who wish to use firearms should join the SS or the SA, ordinary citizens don't need guns, as their having guns DOESN'T SERVE THE STATE." - HEINRICH HIMMLER

"All political power comes from the barrel of a gun. The communist party must command all the guns, that way, no guns can ever be used to command the party." -Mao Zedong

"One man with a gun can control 100 without one. ... Make mass searches and hold executions for found arms." --V.I. Lenin.

Our current president has been quoted as saying "I don't believe people should be able to own guns." Obama said in a questionnaire that he supported banning the manufacture, sale and possession of ALL handguns, and as a junior senator from Illinois Obama endorsed a state ban on the sale and possession of ALL handguns. Obama OPPOSED a bill designed to assert a right of citizens to protect themselves against home invasions and has proposed to make it a felony for a gun owner if their firearm was STOLEN from their residence and it causes harm to another person.

-- Posted by gentle ben on Thu, Sep 6, 2012, at 2:48 PM

Good to hear he's not "your man."

I would be open to any suggestions for making real change in the government - short of joining some sort of anti-government movement - which would be of no use because the feds have bigger weapons than ours - and I'm not just talking about firearms.

-- Posted by gentle ben on Thu, Sep 6, 2012, at 1:41 PM

Well gb all I can say is Sheldon got it wrong. Check the comments from many of us who are self styled progressives on these blogs. NA, ND, and myself included do not feel "our guy" is in the Whitehouse, nor has one of "our guys" been there for a very long time.

We see the current occupant as a lesser evil than the Republican aspirant, no more than that. We constantly are on the lookout for a viable third choice. Frankly as my ballot options are limited to just the two, and some other conditions within this state, it is likely I will forego casting a vote in the presidential election. I will of course vote in every contest that my ballot has any meaning.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Sep 6, 2012, at 1:31 PM

They are all in it for power ...

"The government one lives under is almost always the greatest threat to one's liberty and therefore must be a special object of 'eternal vigilance.' It's government that has the power to start wars, take your money, interfere with your economic affairs, violate your privacy, subsidize things you disapprove of, and perhaps even declare you an enemy combatant and hold you without charge indefinitely."

"Self-styled 'progressives' don't like criticism of government now that their guy is in the White House. The same people who routinely -- and properly -- denounced George W. Bush for his war policies and trampling of civil liberties have made a 180-degree turn and now suggest that those who spread alarm about the lengthening tentacles of the state flirt with "sedition" and might even be latent Tim McVeighs."

Sheldon Richman

-- Posted by gentle ben on Thu, Sep 6, 2012, at 1:11 PM

I think Bill Clinton did an excellent job of summarizing the GOP 2012 campaign.

"We left a mess and he hasn't cleaned it up fast enough, so put us back in."

Good one, Bill.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Thu, Sep 6, 2012, at 9:11 AM

taxedpayer

Its not my fault the cons follow fascist ideology.

Conservatism, aka Neo-liberalism, aka fascism defines itself by its ideology.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Sep 6, 2012, at 7:27 AM

So yeah, but I have to say the nazi comparisons are wearing thin. It's a boy-who-cried-wolf kind of thing. There are so many nazi comparisons floating around that it no longer means much. Saw in the news today that some Democrat down in South Carolina is comparing Gov. Haley to Eva Braun. Good grief. I'm surprised it made the news, it's so common.

News, I'd be right with you on this point if you'd said "who practice brutality," because that's quite bad enough. But pepper spray is just not in the same ballpark as starting a world war and practicing genocide. It's bad, but not quite that bad.

-- Posted by taxedpayer on Thu, Sep 6, 2012, at 6:59 AM

News all I am pointing out is you did not say give you said help, like it or not thats a fact!

-- Posted by Gal66 on Thu, Sep 6, 2012, at 6:40 AM

The undoing of third parties has usually been too much focus on a single issue. They are darned if they do, and darned if they don't.

Without such focus they can't draw support from those in the major parties who are disaffected because neither party will deal with that particular issue. If the third party gains momentum with the issue, one party, or the other, in some modified fashion, will incorporate it into their platform.

If they diversify their message, and stop hammering away at the critical issue, they tend to lose momentum, and shrivel, at least that has been the scenario in the past.

But something has changed, that some third party needs to utilize th their advantage. The two major parties, especially the Republican Party are rapidly shrinking in numbers. The Republican Party ironically, is diminishing for the same reason that third parties diminish; too narrow a focus. They have greatly contracted their ideology.

With one third of the voters signifying their independence from both parties there is now a nearly unique opportunity for third party success. One of those parties needs to read the sentiments of the major parties' disaffected, and bring them into their fold.

Conventional wisdom reckons that the outliers are young, are social libertarians, who contrarily want more regulation of Wall Street, accountability in Congress, and for the rich to accept a greater proportion of the financial burden of government.

It seems to me that the Green Party is best positioned to accomodate those voters. They are essentially sympatico with most of their desires. It may be that something as simple as emphasizing these positions as parallels to their central message, and changing their name to The Green and Progressive Party, or something similar, would propel them above the pack of third parties. Then they could become a real player, and a welcome breath of fresh air in contrast to the percieved stagnancy of both major parties.

It is not unreasonable to see them as they gain momentum, find anguished congressional office holders who would bolt their party, and give them additional instant influence in Congress. It also may be that the angst, and anger of so many of us would swell the ranks within that party.

Hope is in short supply, and we need to find it somewhere. I hope this is the place.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Sep 6, 2012, at 12:32 AM

A history of the Progressive Party in the United States. http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h1755.h...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Sep 5, 2012, at 11:19 PM

Gal66

Yeah, all cons have ever given me is less freedom and liberty and more oppression.

I hope that is a bit clearer for you.

You may find something in fascism that is beneficial to you, but it offers me nothing and all I ask of that con ideology is that it disappear from the face of the Earth.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Sep 5, 2012, at 9:13 PM

RedDog since you asked, here are some things to consider. One caveat; I would never tell anyone who to vote for, that is a precious individual decision. I will always say by any means possible to inform yourself, and also by any means possible offer my insight for consideration.

So, here goes:

RELEVANCE: You are in a swing state, and your vote definitely counts. Please vote.

HISTORY: In modern times the stock market has always done better when Democrats are in power. In modern times the Democrats have dealt with recession more successfully. In modern times the Democrats have done a better job of approaching a balanced budget. In modern times the Democrats have been the party that worked harder to protect the established safety net that hard working regular folks have paid for. For example do not forget George W. Bush, and the Republican party's ill fated stubborn attempt to have all of us invest our Social Security benefit in the stock market. Then the stock market went to hell. We dodged another Republican bullet then. If you doubt any or all of this do your homework, and check it out for yourself.

PORTENT: If the Republicans gain complete control of our government they intend to wipe out all the health care reforms. The reforms thus far are a mishmash of trade offs including far too many trade offs with the pharmaceutical industry. There are some benefits in place that we all appreciate, though some do not kick in until 2014. That is why the Republicans want to kill it immediately. They are scared to death that once it all is the law of the land we will appreciate it so much that they will never be able to kill it. Such things as insurance companies no longer being able to deny coverage because of pre=existing conditions are on the table.

Would it not be better to further reform the existing program, than to kill it all, and leave us with nothing? Should we not work toward establishing universal health care as is successfully deployed in most of the world?

The Republicans want to remove all regulation from giant financial institutions even though their illegal, and insufficiently regulated actions are what brought down our economy.

The Republicans make no bones about their desire to go to war in Iran. That ought to scare off anyone who thinks we are up to our necks in war already. There are other things, but I am tired of writing. Dig for yourself.

ALTERNATIVES: In Missouri at least you have other options. You are not restricted ot just the two paries. Check out the Green Party ticket, check out the Libertarians,and whatever other party's policy may fit your beliefs. They all have web sites. If enough people defect from the two traditional parties it will cause both to think what we must do to reattract the defectors. Thus your vote would become significant in other ways. Most causes that the people have historically demanded to the point that they would in significant numbers vote for a third party to get it, are soon incorporated into one or the other of the two major parties. You may wish to check this link to begin your appreciation of the relevance of third party candidates. http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h988.ht...

Good luck to you as you pursue the knowlege to become an informed voter.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Sep 5, 2012, at 8:37 PM

So news can you point out to us the part where you said give here?

"I repeat, no conservative has ever done anything to help me -- absolutely nothing good for me -- and that's not a guess, its a fact."

Oh that's right you can't

-- Posted by Gal66 on Wed, Sep 5, 2012, at 8:14 PM

"You Upset Me Baby"

Joe Bonamassa

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RD5JRDX2j...

I don't know about you folks, but I need a blues break (lol)

Enjoy!

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Sep 5, 2012, at 5:33 PM

If Obama had some help from everyone, things would be a lot better for everyone! The Republicans said from the start they would not help him in any way,they would rather see the Country fail! What kind of Governing is that rr3? Your Party don't car for this Country in any way! One Man can do only so much.I think the People can see this,and will Vote Accordingly!

-- Posted by Jo on Wed, Sep 5, 2012, at 5:32 PM

Yes rr,

But God sent a hurricane to disrupt your convention. What other sign do you need?

Are you not paying attention?

4 years of Obama sure beats 4 years of anyone who would choose Palin.

-- Posted by Interested Too on Wed, Sep 5, 2012, at 5:29 PM

This is getting kind of stupid. Would someone tell me why I should vote republican? Would someone tell me why I should vote democrat? I really want to know. Start off with your opinion. Then state facts that led to your opinion. Then, tell me what the incumbent has done followed by what the other guy has done. I hate to go to the polls ignorant.

-- Posted by red dog on Wed, Sep 5, 2012, at 5:28 PM

US Slips Down the Ranks of Global Competitiveness

http://www.cnbc.com/id/48905756

4 years in decline does any idiot want to vote for 4 more years of this guy. Are you serious?

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Sep 5, 2012, at 5:26 PM

Down-market motels in Charlotte jack up rates during DNC, forcing homeless families into the streets and emergency shelters

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics...

o is moving from a 70000+ seat stadium inside to a 20000 seat auditorium and it is not because of rain but because they wouldn't want to show all the empty seats in the stadium. Surely they could have paid enough people to fill a seat like they paid the OWC protesters. By the way where are they anyway?

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Sep 5, 2012, at 5:22 PM

"Ron Paul tells Jay Leno: 'Democracy isn't all that healthy in this country"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/09/05/ro...

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Sep 5, 2012, at 5:04 PM

Oh yeah, we can really count on Obama keeping his promises...lol.

A con is a con, no matter what political party nominates him/her.

We do not have to settle for Democrat conservatism/fascism anymore than we have have to settle for Republican conservatism/fascism.

If you folks really want change, vote 3rd party and kick the Unified Fascist Party to the curb.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Sep 5, 2012, at 5:01 PM

I watched a moment from the Democratic convention. As I watched the Republican convention in two five minute segments I have about nine minutes left to watch the Dems, gotta stay fair, and balanced.

All I have seen in comparison so far, that prompts a question to Republicans is "How come you folks are so unattractive?

Ashley Judd a Demo. delegate...wow.

We all know that the conventions are pure theatre, but without the thought provoking content of good theatre. At the least both parties' should give us pretty actors, even the cast of thousands of extras should be pleasing to the eye.

It appears that the Democrats have figured that out; Scarlett Johannson, et al straight from Hollywood. The Republicans eeh, not so much. Is an in many ways declining, and most importantly no longer physically attractive Clint Eastwood the best they can do? That guy looked so frail that one would be hesitant to encourage him as he went on to "break a leg".

Is that too much to ask? After all we the audience have paid more to make possible these productions than all the rest of the theatre tickets we have bought in our lifetimes.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Sep 5, 2012, at 4:24 PM

" If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound? "

If our nation crashes, and there is no one to hear it except folks of the far right, does it make a sound?

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Sep 5, 2012, at 3:15 PM

r we ALL see what you mean. That attitude, shared by so many, prompted my metaphoric satire LOL.

I am not gonna ask you to take off your blindfold because I know you folks can't reach high to accomplish a difficult task. I do suggest that you have your clothespin handy, just in case Rommunism prevails. :)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Sep 5, 2012, at 3:09 PM

See what I mean!

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Sep 5, 2012, at 2:50 PM

You know, maybe all who intend to vote the national Democratic ticket should just abstain this year, and let the revisionist Republicans have it.

I am sick of hearing their complaints about the stink from the outhouse, the same outhouse in which they dumped their nasty business for eight years. The outhouse so full of their disasterous deposits that it was flowing out the half moon at the top when they left office. A outhouse at which they have been standing guard at the door thwarting every effort to clean it up for four years. The stench from their own strained efforts remains the predominate stink du jour. It is their responsibility, let them clean it up!

The only problem is that they would just take a tooth brush, a teaspoon, and a cup of water to the task all the while continuing to use, and abuse the facility. They then would all just put clothes pins over their noses, tighten the blindfolds they habitually wear, and announce "problem solved"; that is until they were out of office, removed the clothes pins (but not the blindfolds) and started complaining again about the disgusting problems that Democrats cause. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Sep 5, 2012, at 2:26 PM

rr:

You generalize too much.

You are buying into as much hogwash as you claim libs are.

Try to have a sunnier outlook, as your side is going to lose, and you need to learn how to cooperate better with others. Now would be a good time to start.

-- Posted by Interested Too on Wed, Sep 5, 2012, at 1:23 PM

It is really ironic when lib hears the truth they immediately deny it. The Dems have now officially taken God out of there platform. Yet libs claim o is a Christian. Are you serious! This convention is about how much o cares, that's it. It doesn't matter what he has done or is going to do it just matter that o & m care. This convention is about portraying themselves as something they are not and you libs are buying it. Amazing! So if you always deny the truth then you will buy the lie. Are any libs Christian? If you are I would like to know how you can justify being Christian and democrat. Do you really believe that bo's most prized possession was a dumpster dive coffee table? Or that his best shoes were a half size too small? Or that his first car was so rusty she could see the road go by? This is laying it on pretty thick don't you think. What if we had heard this at the Republican convention? All bogus lies and they think that they can mislead enough voters to agree with them. They want the American voter to be stupid and with the help of the lib media they are. Without God, without morals, without truth then you can stand for anything, whichever way the wind blows. Even the dems feeding you this garbage don't believe it. So I can see where it would be really hard to be a lib dem because you don't know where you stand when you get up in the morning until someone tells you. So Americans if you want to live in a 3rd world country vote dem in 2012. Four more years of o not being accountable to nobody will do it.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Sep 5, 2012, at 1:17 PM

J69, and rr3, talk to the chair. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Sep 5, 2012, at 12:45 PM

Definition: republic

1. a state in which the supreme power rests in the body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by representatives chosen directly or indirectly by them.

We have the power, why do we cower, we must find a way to our finest hour.

Republicans with a capital "R" have led us to stray afar.

Democrats have not done much better, going along with the freedom fetter. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Sep 5, 2012, at 12:19 PM

I know that when I go out to eat with conservative friends; they universally tip less than 15%.

It's not a crime or anything, just a character trait.

-- Posted by Interested Too on Wed, Sep 5, 2012, at 9:04 AM

Gal66

No conservative has ever given me anything. I have employed cons. They were well paid in full. But no con anywhere ever gave me anything except draconian oppression.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Sep 5, 2012, at 8:52 AM

Still waiting for my support check, rr3.

Apparently you think conservatives are the only folks working and that somehow you are dragging the rest of us along.

A more clueless statement has never been found in these blogs, and that's saying something.

You know, if one could get past the arrogance, mythology, non-functional economics, and racism rooted in neo-conservatism, there might be a couple of ideas in there somewhere.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Wed, Sep 5, 2012, at 7:48 AM

news across posted "I repeat, no conservative has ever done anything to help me -- absolutely nothing good for me -- and that's not a guess, its a fact."

news have you asked every doctor, nurse

, cab driver, plumber, contractor?

For that matter have you asked everyone that has ever done anything to help you if they are a conservative?

-- Posted by Gal66 on Wed, Sep 5, 2012, at 7:37 AM

The Muskogee Malady is really getting a foothold. It seems to have progressed from stage 1 to stage 2. Is there any cure for it?

-- Posted by red dog on Wed, Sep 5, 2012, at 6:49 AM

"Capitalism Hits the Fan"

Part 1 of 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPmrA_QPm...

Part 2 of 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQNvHXJbF...

"The Crisis of Capitalism with Professor Richard Wolff in conversation with Robert Ovetz."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQ0q4rUd5...

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Sep 5, 2012, at 12:52 AM

And then we could have had Sarah Palin. That is reason enough for every American to be thankful that Obama was elected.

What if...just what if...John McCain an elderly man, who had suffered much physical hardship, had won, then died six months into his presidency.

Even most Regressives don't want to think on that nightmarish scenario. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Sep 4, 2012, at 11:41 PM

Almost Critical

I doubt anything I say has any impact upon you no matter what I say, after all, you were, as you pointed out, an enthusiastic supporter of Ronald Reagan. He was one of the big leaders of the post WWII American fascist movement -- constantly battling "Evil Socialism". The "enemy dejore" of his was "Communism!" He was just the kind of fellow the 1% were looking for -- the perfect Republican Spokes-model. Then he went on to break our law while President, as if the law didn't apply to him, and ushered in a new era of American fascism.

So, anyway, you apparently missed the Part of the cited study that points out that these are the characteristics that ALL fascist regimes manifest.

In fact, you are living under a fascist regime with either of the 2 big parties, Democrat or Republican. The rich figured out it was cheaper just to simply buy a majority of both a long time ago. When you have $50 billion, the price of a politician is peanuts. The 1% have absolute control...another common characteristic of fascism, by the way.

"An excerpt from:

They Thought They Were Free

The Germans, 1933-45"

Milton Mayer

http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chica...

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Sep 4, 2012, at 11:24 PM

Rommunism...LOL.

If they are elected, Romney dies,and flies off to one of the many planets that only Mormons know about, what will happen? Has our populace become so insane that Ryan will serve out Romney's term, then two more of his own terms creating a Ryanasty?

In my opinion a Ryanasty would be even worse than Rommunism. I haven't yet decided for certain whether Ryan is more Palinistic than Rommunistic, though I tend to believe that is the case. He is among that long line of Republican hopefuls that we have had to endure who spend more of their own time, and that of their handlers explaining what they meant to say when caught up in a volatile mix of lies, and ignorance, than actual cogency.

The Regressives are notable for the aberrancy of their Vice Presidential candidates. Here is the sorry lot of Regressive Vice Presidential candidates who were elected in the modern era.

Spiro Agnew: a convicted thief, and con man.

George H. W. Bush; the best of the lot, though a man who can never be forgiven for failing to diligently use every available means of birth control the fall of 1945.

Dan Quayle; among the stupidest of Vice Presidents, he could not even spell potato, and his conversational style was as vapid as that of the Valley Girls of the era.

Dick Cheney; Dr. Strangelove, probably the most evil man ever to be Vice President. It was finally announced after he left office that he has no heart. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Sep 4, 2012, at 11:05 PM

By the way, the link I posted was just a link. I was not part of my last statemaent.

-- Posted by Almost Critical on Tue, Sep 4, 2012, at 10:51 PM

News, you can find similarities between almost anything in life. Is a human a cat? We both have lungs, legs, eyes, tongues.....I could go on. The answer is no. Is a Catholic a Muslim? We all pray, we all look to a book to guide us, we all gather to have mass/service. Again the answer is NO. So your last statement means nothing to me. If you think about it, and I know you have, are democrats not communists. By no means am I saying they are but the similarities are chilling.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?...

-- Posted by Almost Critical on Tue, Sep 4, 2012, at 10:40 PM

Almost Critical

Conservative ideology is the same ideology as fascism.

I do not support fascism no matter what name it may try to hide behind.

Fascism has nothing to offer this American voter.

"The 14 Characteristics of Fascism"

http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/fasc...

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Sep 4, 2012, at 10:22 PM

All, right, and left should read ChickenPotpie's link to important, and consructive legislation that the Republicans have filibustered. Hey there were even some that you may have liked to have seen enacted rr3.

I can only hope that if the Regressives gain control of the Senate, and the Presidency, that an equally stubborn Democratic minority in the Senate will as vigorously filibuster the Regressive's regurgitation of what the Bushies fed us; that same stuff that has been souring Uncle Sam's stomach for four years.

We will be in deep trouble if the Democrats don't filibuster Regressive attempts to destroy Medicare, destroy Social Security, raise taxes on the middle class, lower taxes on the rich; cut programs that help provide food, shelter, and medical care to poor children, and remove all laws that regulate in anyway, or oversee the giant financial institutions.

If we may not sanity preserve, may we remain mindless as we suffer what we deserve.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Sep 4, 2012, at 10:07 PM

Well, I am sorry to hear that News.

I know that I am a very proud conservative, married with kids to what I would consider a Reagan democrat, and I have numerous friends who are further left than the President himself. And you know what, I have and would help and continue to help them anyway I could. Because I, like most, not all conservatives, know that I am part of the biggest party of all: I am human and I have a heart.

I hope and pray that someday you will get help from someone like me that won't feel the need to ask you what your political standpoint is but will instead ask you if they can do anything else to make your day better.

And please tell me this. Why do you feel NO conservative has ever helped you in anyway?

-- Posted by Almost Critical on Tue, Sep 4, 2012, at 9:59 PM

rr3yvo,

Still waiting for those facts.....still waiting.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Tue, Sep 4, 2012, at 9:58 PM

News,

I think we all heard a 'collective' sigh from your Rommunism comment.

-- Posted by Interested Too on Tue, Sep 4, 2012, at 9:55 PM

Hey, here is an idea that's fair to all of us.

You cons keep your Rommunism and the rest of us will stick with freedom.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Sep 4, 2012, at 9:39 PM

Almost Critical

I repeat, no conservative has ever done anything to help me -- absolutely nothing good for me -- and that's not a guess, its a fact.

And I sure as heck don't need any Rommunism in my life.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jonmartintr...

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Sep 4, 2012, at 9:35 PM

News, I have to ask you to re-think one of your previous comments:

"No conservative has ever done 1 thing to help me in anyway nor has any conservative ever contributed to my financial success in life".

It doesn't matter what your politics are. This is still AMERICA and there are still genuine PEOPLE. If what you say is true, than I would have to think there are a lot more republicans like Mitt Romney. I will quote his wife for this point: "Mitt doesn't like to talk about how he has helped others because he sees it as a privilege, not a political talking point. And we're no different than the millions of Americans who quietly help their neighbors, their churches and their communities. They don't do it so that other will think more of them. They do it because there is no greater joy."

-- Posted by Almost Critical on Tue, Sep 4, 2012, at 9:18 PM

CP!

Wow!

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Sep 4, 2012, at 8:46 PM

Yo sound the bell, school's in..."

MC Hammer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otCpCn0l4...

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Sep 4, 2012, at 7:20 PM

red dog

What makes you think our Nation will recover if we return the party of Bush back into the White House?

Was the last Great Recession not enough to clue you in to where Republican policies take us?

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Sep 4, 2012, at 5:22 PM

However, here is what the Republicans did to us the last time they were in power.

1.) Failed to protect us or take any security measures to protect us from the most devastating terrorist attack on our Nation in our entire history -- despite the FACT that they had sufficient warning a month before.

2.) Multiple violations of our laws including violations of the FISA Act and war crimes, and often in direct conflict with our Constitution.

3.) The outing of an American Intelligence Agent by an American President for purposes of political retaliation against her husband.

4.) The Patriot Act, and with it the flagrant violation of our Constitutional rights -- in particular, our 14th Amendment right to due process and our 4th Amendment protections against unwarranted searches.

5.) 2 major wars, 1 of which was based entirely on lies which were dreamed up by the Republican Administration, and both of which resulted in millions of innocent civilian deaths (mostly women and children).

6.) The Great Recession.

And now the cons want to con us again.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Sep 4, 2012, at 5:19 PM

Come on fellas. Pull back. It ain't that bad. The Nation will survive but you might not if you get your blood pressure into stroke territory.

-- Posted by red dog on Tue, Sep 4, 2012, at 5:01 PM

rr3yv0

I'm a liberal.

Make that, I am a PROUD AMERICAN LIBERAL.

I have worked very hard all my life.

No conservative has ever done 1 thing to help me in anyway nor has any conservative ever contributed to my financial success in life.

So much for your theory.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Sep 4, 2012, at 4:39 PM

"Memories Of The Bush Administration"

Paul Krugman

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08...

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Sep 4, 2012, at 4:34 PM

If all people were honest and hard working we wouldn't need liberals. Oh I guess there wouldn't be any. On the other hand if we were all sick, lame and lazy we would still need conservatives to support all of them.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Tue, Sep 4, 2012, at 4:29 PM

Well Jason,

considering the fact that the last time we had a Republican in the White House our entire economy collapsed under the weight of Republican Neoclassical economic policies, it seems President Obama has done a pretty good job of managing the economy.

Surely you are not suggesting that we put the folks (the Republicans) who's dreadful economic policies almost destroyed our nation back into power?

No way will they be getting my vote. I have a memory and I am not dumb enough to be fooled by the Republican Mafia.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Sep 4, 2012, at 3:39 PM

For the one's that voice their support for Barrack and those that are so ashamed they will vote for him but will not say it outright here is some facts about the annointed one's economy..

http://www.westernfreepress.com/2012/06/...

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Tue, Sep 4, 2012, at 2:50 PM

rr3yvo,

You are a clissic example of why relgion has no place in politics because you can convince your self of anything. You accuse the libs of not liking facts. Could you be more specific as to which actual facts the libs don't like? And please....be specific.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Tue, Sep 4, 2012, at 12:25 PM

Hey Chicken,

Any idea where I can buy magic underwear?

-- Posted by Interested Too on Tue, Sep 4, 2012, at 10:28 AM

Thanks OR,

As a rule, I detest generalizations; so I apologise to all my truly wonderful friends who might happen to be legit people and also Republicans.

-- Posted by Interested Too on Tue, Sep 4, 2012, at 9:43 AM

Bravo IntToo...and yours was original thought. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Sep 4, 2012, at 9:17 AM

If a Republican runs for office, he shares no personal information.

If a Democrat runs for office he must share tax returns, have his faith and legitimacy of birth questioned indefinitely.

If a Republican runs for office, he demands that a raped person bear her child and raise it herself.

If a Democrat runs for office, the raped woman can choose her own life; and if she so chooses to have the child; the Democrat will try to assist her in rearing that child.

If a Republican runs for office; women will know their place.

If a Democrat runs for office; more women will HAVE a place.

Add those to your list, Jason.

-- Posted by Interested Too on Tue, Sep 4, 2012, at 7:33 AM

Jason1969

I am not a democrat.

I do not vote Democrat.

I am not a Republican.

I do not vote Republican.

I am a true independent.

I read your outrageous, false claims regarding Democrats and I have only 1 thing to say about your claims.

Prove your claims or sit down.

Any fool can make outrageous claims but with out fully qualified proof, the claims are just as empty as the fool who made them.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Sep 4, 2012, at 3:14 AM

Something I saw on facebook.

If you ever wondered which side of the fence you sit on, this is a great test!

If a Republican doesn't like guns, he doesn't buy one.

If a Democrat doesn't like guns, he wants all guns outlawed.

If a Republican is a vegetarian, he doesn't eat meat.

If a Democrat is a vegetarian, he wants all meat products banned for everyone.

If a Republican is homosexual, he quietly leads his life.

If a Democrat is homosexual, he demands legislated respect.

If a Republican is down-and-out, he thinks about how to better his situation.

A Democrat wonders who is going to take care of him.

If a Republican doesn't like a talk show host, he switches channels..

Democrats demand that those they don't like be shut down.

If a Republican is a non-believer, he doesn't go to church.

A Democrat non-believer wants any mention of God and religion silenced.

If a Republican decides he needs health care, he goes about shopping for it, or may choose a job that provides it.

A Democrat demands that the rest of us pay for his.

If a Republican reads this, he'll forward it so his friends can have a good laugh.

A Democrat will delete it because he's "offended".

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Mon, Sep 3, 2012, at 11:52 PM

Oklahoma the problem is Barrack's ideas have not worked. Its been his Presidency for the last 4 years and 2 years of it he had his own party in control of both houses and I know liberals are going to say hey it has worked but I say where's the proof?

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Mon, Sep 3, 2012, at 11:51 PM

rr3yv0

What part of "United" States is it the cons don't get?

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Sep 3, 2012, at 4:20 PM

$15 billion dollars spent on New Orleans and they are nearly devastated by a Cat 1 hurricane. Was it worth it? Why do we pay for these people to rebuild? They live where a hurricane will happen from time to time. They are surrounded by walls because they are below sea level. There should not even be a city there. Makes no sense. This is about as stupid as someone voting for O a second time. If New Orleans wants to rebuild let them do it but don't give them money stupid.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Mon, Sep 3, 2012, at 1:59 PM

Lol...yeah...lol, like the cons knowing anything about our Constitution, our Common Law, or our history of jurisprudence.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Sep 3, 2012, at 8:08 AM

Do you know the #1 reason liberals are unhappy.

The constitution was not written in erasable ink.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Mon, Sep 3, 2012, at 7:46 AM

I am really feeling sorry for big o. If he gets reelected look at the mess he is going to inherit. I can hear him now "fellow Americans we live in tough times, during my first term:

Our nation has endured the worst economic recovery in 75 years.

The federal debt has increased more than 50%.

Unemployment has remained above 8%.

1 in 6 now live in poverty.

Household income has dropped $4,300.

Family health insurance is up $1,500.

Gas prices have doubled.

Our nation's credit rating has been downgraded.

But vote for me anyway because it is all Bush's fault and look at what my Republican opponent will do to the country. The upcoming dnc should be so uplifting, so visionary, so full of fresh ideas to finally address our nation's problems. I am certain that one day they will tell us.

I have found that for libs facts don't matter and it is ok to lie as long as it furthers your agenda.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Mon, Sep 3, 2012, at 7:18 AM

Interesting rr3. The bottom line for both sides appears to be money. One side wants to protect what they have accumulated, through hook or crook. The other side wants parity that will bankrupt our Nation. Both sides depend on half-truths and outright lies to stir the emotions of the people. Both sides spend millions on what are by comparison low-paying jobs. Long has the common man understood it is better to be the one controlling the politician than have the actual position himself. I have adjusted my thinking to not being able to support either "party". That doesn't leave me much choice does it? I remember being proud I was old enough to vote. Now, I hate going to the polls. You can only make bad choices now at the national and state levels. It will be grass roots movements that get this Nation going again.

-- Posted by red dog on Mon, Sep 3, 2012, at 6:04 AM

"When Will We Be Paid"

The Staple Singers, 1971

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25Fudv9bT...

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Sep 3, 2012, at 12:52 AM

Jason69 aren't you disturbed that the answer to the problems we face that the Republicans propose are the same old programs of 2000 to 2008 that provoked our downslide? I appreciate that you don't like Obama, but don't you thirst for fresh ideas that are not just a return to what before Obama failed for eight years? Do you not agree that we need something new? Aren't you disappointed that nothing new has gained any national traction?

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Sep 2, 2012, at 10:41 PM

"New York AG investigating Bain Capital, other firms for tax evasion"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/09/02/ne...

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/02/busine...

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Sep 2, 2012, at 4:55 PM

Also, why won't Romney release his tax returns like all the other candidates have already?

What is he hiding?

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Sep 2, 2012, at 4:45 PM

Also, regarding the Clint Eastwood/Republican Convention debacle:

I don't place the blame on Mr. Eastwood.

I don't blame the Republicans.

I blame Clint's grown-up children {seven children by five different women).

My Dad and Eastwood are the same age and there is no way I would ever let my 82 year-old Dad embarrass himself in front of the whole World the way Eastwood's kids did.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Sep 2, 2012, at 4:11 PM

"Fmr. Bush strategist calls out Paul Ryan over convention speech lies"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/09/02/fm...

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Sep 2, 2012, at 3:49 PM

...and that guy Ryan, isn't he the jerk that shutdown our government, caused us to losse our AAA credit standing, and then held our nation hostage until his cruel, draconian demands were met?

The Republicans want me to vote that guy into power?

Seriously?

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Sep 2, 2012, at 3:25 PM

As an undecided voter, I can't see how a candidate that believes he is wearing "magical underwear" and who believes a return to the economic policies that caused our economy to collapse is a good idea somehow is the right candidate for the job of President.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Sep 2, 2012, at 3:20 PM

My bad r, I just now saw your direct answer of this morning on the religion blog.

It is good to see that you can compromise your religious values a bit when it is pragmatic. It shows that you, though with a different perspective, also opt for the lesser of evils.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Sep 2, 2012, at 2:32 PM

In catching up on my reading this afternoon, I have learned much about Rush Limbaugh fans.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Sun, Sep 2, 2012, at 1:43 PM

Still dodgin' direct answers to my questions r. :)

J69, welcome back. :)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Sep 2, 2012, at 1:39 PM

Well Jason,

Luckiy, most polls show Obama getting re-elected, especially in the electoral college. I have faith he will get us out of this mess faster than Romney would.

Time will tell.

-- Posted by Interested Too on Sun, Sep 2, 2012, at 11:51 AM

Here is a few facts lets see if we are better off today than 4 years ago we have a president that came into office with lets face it a crippling economy it started slowing down in the last year of Clinton's office will give him that the state of our economics as a nation was crippled.

So with that being said when he came into office the average income for Americans was about 55k it is now about 51k. The average cost of gas $1.80d it is now $3.70 this does not effect the rich guy but it does the everyday person's billfold...He has added 6 trillion into the defecit, And Bush way over spent but it took 8 years to get 10 trillion where is it has taken annointed one 4 years to add about 6 trillion.. How does that effect us well the goverment has to pay down the interest on this and that is less money to help with other things needed in the economy. 1in6 americans are now dependent on the goverment. Millions have decided it is easier to get on disability than to get a job....This kind of irks me for this program is truly needed for those that are really disabled....14 million added to the foodstamp program now looks at how Obamacare is going to effect the elderly well hospitals will now be fined about 3 percent of the medicare claims if a patient is readmitted to the hospital within 30 days this will effect 2000 hospitals no worries tho, they will past that expense to everyone else...So now they will increase the amount they claim to regular insurance causing the insurance company to raise their premiums next year it is estimated that health care insurance premiums will increase 14 percent. These are some of the things the annointed one has accomplished.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Sun, Sep 2, 2012, at 9:29 AM

"David Kappheim Told Girlfriend He Would 'Kill Her' Because She Is Liberal, Florida Police Say"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/31...

And cons wonder why the rest of the World thinks they are bat-dung crazy...lol.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Sep 2, 2012, at 7:24 AM

Okr you seem to jump to conclusion but that's normal. The catholic church is apostate, there are catholics that are Christian in spite of the church. I know it is very hard for you to understand but I am here to help you friend.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sun, Sep 2, 2012, at 6:37 AM

rr3 please answer a direct question. Will you vote for a presidential ticket that has no Christians? I know that you do not consider Catholics, nor Mormons Christians. You have said so many times.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Sep 2, 2012, at 1:19 AM

r,

I am, as yet, undecided.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Sep 2, 2012, at 12:30 AM

Ya know r, that is quite a comment ya got there.

r, you know what it is don't you?

You are keeping all your comments inside your brain for so long until the pressure builds and WHAM! It all comes out in one big, humongous "comment Explosion."

Well, at least it gives us all lot to think about.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Sep 2, 2012, at 12:14 AM

I thought it interesting that someone would think they weren't rich enough to be Republican. I just had to think if there are any poor democrat politicians. Can't think of any. I also thought about what you have to stand for to be a democrat.

1. You can't stand for Christian values because you have to support the gaystopo. I hear they will make the parties support of the gay agenda official at the convention.

2. You can't value life when you have to support the killing of it. You have to support abortion by choice not just when medically necessary. This will also apply to older people when they become too old for certain medical needs because they will no longer benefit society.

3. You have to stand for higher taxes and bigger government. That is the voter base, the losers in the lottery of life. Losers meaning that you have reached a point in your life where life is too hard, why should you continue to work hard when you can go on disability because you back hurts when you work too many hours. Or maybe you are too fat or just simply lazy. Never fear the government is here, we don't want you to work we will give you money, food stamps and free medical care all tax free. Where can you get a better deal than that.

4. You have to look the other way at the largest ponzi scheme in the history of the world. Libs support big labor, big labor lives large on the dues paid by the working members, than they support libs running for office. What better way to launder money for power. Union leaders mainly care about the money not the members. Are there any poor union leaders?

5. You can't stand for traditional marriage because kids born to a married couple have both a mom and a dad to support them. You have to support women having kids out of wedlock so the government can support them and any politician that tries to take it away is trying to starve the children.

6. You can't stand for reforming social security or medicare because it is a great way to waste taxpayer dollars. Then if someone wants to reform it they are going to let grandma eat dog food or throw them off the cliff. Saw that commercial.

7. Personal responsibility, we can't have that. What would the government do? The government is there to fix everything even the stuff that doesn't need fixing.

8. You have to stand for freedom of religion as long as it is not Christianity. Then there is this idiots that think separation of church and state is in the constitution. We can see what a state church does to a country look at the UK.

9. You can't stand for immigration reform because then we wouldn't be able to have UDV's.

UDV=undocumented democratic voters

That's why we can't require ID's to vote. Cheat and then accuse your opponent of cheating.

10. A good dem is never racist, right. What do they say about black conservatives? Call them "uncle tom's" say they are going to put you in chains, etc. Now who is racist?

Some of us can see this, other's never will. Lib media will keep you deceived. When you can't stand for truth what can you stand for? Anything they want you to.

This is just a partial list.

Do you support the rich guy that stands certain moral standard or the rich guy that has no morality.

Do you support the rich guy that has a plan or the rich guy that can only blame other's for his failures.

Do you support the rich guy that really wants to get the truth out(except the lib media will do everything to stop it) or the rich guy who can lie at will and the media will never call him on it.

YOU DECIDE!!!!

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sat, Sep 1, 2012, at 8:28 PM

Over the years I have said many times that I am not rich enough to be a Republican. It is rather obvious to me that I still am not rich enough. In fact, I am rather common. How in the world can a common man support the stance of the republican party?

-- Posted by red dog on Sat, Sep 1, 2012, at 3:04 PM

Jason, you make me think of Harry Truman and is "do nothing" congress which, of course, was controlled by the "other" party. Credit Harry Truman with some influence in getting the civil rights movement going. He is the one that, against popular opinion (and I mean POPULAR opinion) that integrated the Armed Forces. He was a hell of a good man. I met him at his library. I wish I had known him instead of about him.

-- Posted by red dog on Sat, Sep 1, 2012, at 11:21 AM

I have read one post and the ingorance is abundant just because your conservative does not mean your racist....You should look back at the history of the civil rights billAs and you will see the Republican's initiated it....A true american would want people to achieve their goals and dreams and not rely on the goverment.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Sat, Sep 1, 2012, at 11:01 AM

1. FDR (Basically a benevolent dictatorship)

2. Lincoln (Didn't want the war, but couldn't stop it. Victim of circumstances that showed incredible leadership.)

3. John Adams (Did a lot more for the inital Constitution and the actual running of government than did Washington; who was basically asked to be president to get him into a regular salary. Mount Vernon and his war debts were breaking the young nation.)

4. Teddy Roosevelt (Really got the country moving during his presidency, and had the respect of other countries.)

5. Reagan, Kennedy, Truman, Clinton (Mixed feeligs about all. Great charisma and had the opportunity to do so much, but all had fatal flaws.)

-- Posted by Interested Too on Sat, Sep 1, 2012, at 8:34 AM

Dick and Jane : The Urban Poor Primer

See Spot run. Spot caught a rat in the kitchen.

See Dick walk barefoot. Ned stole his shoes.

See Jane run. A big boy is after her. Run Jane run, run home Jane, maybe Mom is there.

See Dick, see Jane, See Spot, see many rats, see many roaches.

See Mom sometimes. Where is Dad? Jane says where is Dad? Dick says where is Dad?

See the social worker. The social worker says where is Mom?

She does not say where is Dad.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Aug 31, 2012, at 8:00 PM

Perhaps we need to take a proactive stance with the hard right. I'm talkin' edgycate 'em. Tell 'em things they don't know to take the edge off their irrational fear.

Things like; the earth doesn't get flatter when glaciers start melting, and slide southward. And, it's not the earth's spinning that keeps you from falling off. It really doesn't work like the carnival ride that keeps you pressed to the wall when the floor falls away.

Maybe they just need a little relief from their irrational fear. Tell them that Obama really doesn't silently fly around at night slipping in bedroom windows stealing their children. And, they really won't turn gay if they shake hands with a lesbian.

Sometimes you may need to fib to them a little to make them rest easy. Tell 'em the smell from the rock concert last fall was just the Smiths who live near by burning their leaves. Mostly though we need to stick to the truth, visualize their fears, and gently inform them.

I know this may not work, but as always, we have to try. It is only slightly less than hopeless because they will not believe anything but what they believe.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Aug 31, 2012, at 5:26 PM

RNC delegate offended by 'Mexican' working at Epcot's 'America Pavilion'

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/08/31/rn...

Racist pigs!!

Folks its an election year.

JUST SAY "NO!" TO RACISM! JUST SAY "NO!" TO CONSERVATISM!

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Aug 31, 2012, at 4:52 PM

You have a point News. Perhaps they are just sitting at home watching "Leave It To Beaver", and "Father Knows Best".

Black and white with shades of gray.

They live their lives in another day.

Ricky come back, bring Beaver too.

I will be a kid once more with you.

Apple pie, and a Johnny Mathis song,

It's always sunny, nothing's wrong.

Plenty of water for a fresh cut lawn,

the good old days are never gone.

Chances are if you wear a silly smile,

your mind has been gone a while.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Aug 31, 2012, at 4:43 PM

OKR,

Remember how after 9/11 if you so much as whispeared "boo" in the direction of a Con they would run for the hills hollaring, "The sky is falling, the sky is falling!"?

Nothing has changed.

Once a coward, always a coward.

If you are waiting for the Cons to do anything that requires courage or integrity, you will be waiting a very long time.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Aug 31, 2012, at 4:08 PM

Good point SD.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Aug 31, 2012, at 1:05 PM

OKR,

Perhaps they are responding but can not control their vitriol enough to get past the blog rules.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Fri, Aug 31, 2012, at 12:57 PM

Well it appears that the hard right is not up to the hard questions that they face on this blog. Nary a murmur from them regarding the challenge I made. Not a single one with the guts to murmur a word about Paul Ryan's series of lies to the people of America, as documented, and criticized by THEIR network Fox News. Not a single one willing to respond to my statements regarding the Christian credentials, and moral ambiguity of the Republican ticket.

It appears they are either curled up in a figurative fetal ball, or have some curious censoring cut off in their craniums compelling them to see no flaws in Republicana.

Which is it? I ask that rhetorically of course, because it is obvious that the hard right is suddenly silent.

Still I have faith that they will be back. But, it will only be when Rush, Fox (reverting to its nature), and the rest are speiling about some Democratic error, real or imagined. Then they will parrot, and crow in that devilish dual avian manner that drives them, and saves them from the hard work of critical analysis. Good grief!

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Aug 31, 2012, at 12:12 PM

Right on SD!

A little hard on PaPa Bush weren't you News? Then maybe he looks good to me because of the inevitable comparison to his despicable son.

I must say that he was the last Republican to go back on his word for the good of the nation. He had said over, and over "No New Taxes" which had already become the mantra of "The Party of No". Yet, knowing that his country needed a tax increase, and mindful that such action may cost him re-election (which it did), he proceeded, showing the same patriotic courage as he had in service to his country in WWII. I see him as very different from his son, a do nothing, know nothing, but when you do do anything do do it wrong. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Aug 31, 2012, at 11:19 AM

Hey, I agree with Mitt! It's time to turn the page.........on the useless, foolish idea of trickle down economics.

It's time to turn the page........on the "do-nothing" republican controled House of Representatives who have done everything they can to weaken America and unseat Obama for four years.

It's time to turn the page........on the conservative hate-speech of guys like Limbaugh, Fred Phelps, Nugent, Todd Akin and all the other loosers who are getting rich off the lemmings that fund their hate of America.

Yep, Mitt, you are onto something with this "Turn the Page" thing.

That's a nice progressive motto, "Turn the Page," it's a shame you are funded and supported by the most anti-progressive movement we have ever seen.

How 'bout you try some of that progressive stuff on Speaker of the House Boehner? He could use someone telling him to get out of the way.

Sheesh, Mitt, you seem to get more clueless the deeper the RNC gets it's hooks into you.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Fri, Aug 31, 2012, at 9:58 AM

Oops,

and #5 -- George HW Bush

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Aug 31, 2012, at 6:45 AM

Here is my "5 most despicable Presidents" list:

1.) George "Dubba" Bush

2.) Ronald Reagan

3.) Richard Nixon

4.) James K. Polk

Please note that this list is bi-partisan and inclusive of both major parties.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Aug 31, 2012, at 6:44 AM

"Legitimate Rape" Pharmaceutical Ad (TW)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtzqvqzBd...

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Aug 31, 2012, at 2:21 AM

While we are at it, how about the forlorn five at the bottom?

1.(with a bullet) George W. Bush

2. James Buchanan

3. Richard Nixon

4. Warren G. Harding

5. Andrew Jackson

Unhonorable mention: Lyndon Johnson, Rutherford B. Hayes, Ronald Reagan, Herbert Hoover, Andrew Johnson

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Aug 31, 2012, at 12:21 AM

1. Lincoln

2. Franklin Roosevelt

3. Washington

4. Jefferson

5. Theodore Roosevelt

In the mix: Wilson, Truman, Carter, Kennedy

The first three I picked are examples of extraordinary circumstances give rise to extraordinary presidents. Those three were all Presidents when our nation for various reasons was teetering at the edge of collapse, and saw us through those times. The last two in my top five moved the nation forward when it had stagnated.

My last group of four made that rarified group for various reasons though it is significant that all, but Kennedy were men of outstanding character who did not betray their character in trying times. Kennedy is there for the charismatic promise he exhibited, the ugliness that cheated him of life, and our nation of that promise. It was also the death of innocence in the youth of modern America.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Aug 30, 2012, at 11:54 PM

So fellas...who are your picks for top 5 Presidents in American History?

My picks:

1.} George Washington

2.) Abe Lincoln

3.) Franklin D. Roosevelt

4.) Jimmy Carter

5.) John F. Kennedy

You may note that its a completely bi-partisan list.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Aug 30, 2012, at 10:00 PM

Just a sign of the times Smart Dog. The Regressive leaders have gotten so outrageously preposterous that even Fox News has to call them on it. If they get just a little closer to the edge of madness maybe even Rush Limpaw will choke on their words.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Aug 30, 2012, at 8:10 PM

Perhaps I was harsh toward you Right wingers, especially you Southern Baptists, and like minded folk. Well, I have stepped in to your shoes for a moment, and am beginning to understand your anguish.

Wow you do have a problem. You have voted the Republican ticket election cycle, after election cycle comforted by the fact that the party has always provided you a Christian ticket to vote for. Can't go wrong there, right?

Now you are presented with of all things, A Mormon at the top of the ticket, somebody that many of you don't believe is a Christian, and most of you believe is a member of a cult. Many of you also believe that there are two groups that run the gambling casinos in Las Vegas, the Mafia, and the Mormons. Some of you know that Mitt Romney has ties to gambling interests, and continues to hide those ties, along with a whole lot of other stuff. I haven't known a Southern Baptist yet that isn't opposed to gambling.

If that isn't bad enough the tail end of the ticket is represented by a devout Catholic, Paul Ryan. The Southern Baptists have been at odds with the Catholics for generations, and repeated efforts by the powers that be in each body have not been able to reconcile important differences. Some of you do not believe that Catholics are Christians any more than Mormons are.

You are definitely on the horns of a dilemma. The only candidate out of the four (Joe Biden is also a Catholic) who is a Christian in the eyes of many of you is Barak Obama, and Lord knows you are not going to vote for him.

I feel your pain. When John Kerry whom I despised was the Democratic nominee for President in 2004 this old populist had to strongly consider not voting for President. I am not going to tell you what I finally decided to do as I don't want to point you toward a specific solution to your similar quandary. Can you in good conscience vote for a non-Christian in what you consider to be a Nation founded on Christian values? It must be tearing you to pieces. Good luck.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Aug 30, 2012, at 5:01 PM

SD,

Exactly mate, the conditions necessary to spark revolution are not yet severe enough to cause an "Egyptian-Spring " effect.

However, the U.S. is certainly headed in that direction. Its really just a matter of time. It really boils down to bread and butter. When folks get hungry enough in sufficient numbers, the dung hits the fan. So says the empirical evidence.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Aug 30, 2012, at 4:41 PM

News,

Since about half of the working class in America today votes GOP I made the comment I did regarding the unlikelihood of a national strike having much effect.

There are several folks I work with who have already capitulated and now believe that there is a class of people who deserve to have more than the workering folk do, and that any change to that system is bad for everyone.

And OKR. If you keep finding those links to actual 'fair and balanced reporting' at Fox then I'm going to have to stop bashing them.

Sheesh, what's the world coming to when you can't even count on the opponent opposing you? You don't suppose the Foxies have actually decided to try seeing both sides of issues, do you?

Sara Palin and Michelle Bachman must be really angry about this. Next thing you know, Fox will be reporting that you can't cure gay or some such crazy notion like that. :)

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Thu, Aug 30, 2012, at 4:29 PM

For all you hard heads who believe Fox News speaks the secular version of gospel hear this.

Fox said that Republican Vice Presidential Candidate Paul Ryan in his speech at the Republican convention told lie, after lie about Obama. It further said that some of the lies he repeated had been debunked in the past. Still he chose to repeat them. Who are you going to believe on this one? http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/08/3...

I won't be holding my breath until I hear Mormon Elder Mitt Romney who pretends to be a squeaky clean moral person dress down Ryan for his outright lies.

And I won't be holding my breath until one of you Right Wingers who read this blog show the moral courage to condemn the lies of YOUR candidate.

I will ask you this; how can you vote for a candidate that stands in front of his most devoted followers, and flat out lies to them? If he lies to you now, he will lie to you always, and has probably been lying to you all along.Where is YOUR moral outrage now?

One other thing; if you folks are so gutless that you don't appear on this blog, and respond to Ryan's outrageous behavior, especially after years of calling Obama a liar, hurling insults of an often spurious nature, at the President of The United States you are hypocrites of the worst kind.

Show your faces if you dare! RR3 where are you on this one?

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Aug 30, 2012, at 4:03 PM

Oh and by the way, Gina Rinehart was born with a diamonded studded, silver spoon in her mouth as was her Daddy. She has never labored 1 day in her entire life, save for the labor necessary to infect civilization with her rich brats. And even the spawn of that Australian she-devil hate her guts. All her children have lawsuits against her in the courts right now. She is a real pig.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Aug 30, 2012, at 3:41 PM

Australia's most hated citizen: Gina Rinehart

Even her own kids hate her.

"World's richest woman to 'jealous' poor: 'Drink less, work more"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/08/30/wo...

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Aug 30, 2012, at 3:09 PM

Smart Dog

I don't think you understand what the "National Strike is,

In a National strike ALL the workers -- anyone who's paycheck is signed by someone else -- stay home, stop purchasing anything (cease all consumption), and refuse to supply any labor what-so-ever until their demands are met. Essentially, everyone who is not rich (the 99%)refuse to participate in the economy and refuse to supply any labor in any form.

The entire economy comes to a grinding halt.

The rich begin to lose billions -- not millions -- every single day. In addition, the mony they do have becomes worthless because it cannot purchase anything. Stores don't open, gas stations don't open, factories don't produce, nothing moves in or out of warehouses, trucks all sit idle, nothing happens and the rich begin to suffer massive losses which they cannot long sustain.

It worked very, very well for the French in the 60's and in Egypt (Egyptian Spring) in 2011.

A National Strike is a proven method of peaceful revolution. However, its only useful if the 99% are united, so for it will ever be utilized, all the underlying foundations (3rd Class Coach Theory of Economics) must first be in place.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Aug 30, 2012, at 2:39 PM

Well, Jo, the conservative overlords would just assume that everyone on strike was a democrat and fire them.

Then, they would have the world they want, where everyone that laps up the neo-con lies can't wait to get to work and let their poverty level wages trickle down on them.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Thu, Aug 30, 2012, at 1:11 PM

Everyone: what do you think about New Across, idea of a National Strike? The more i think about it, the better it sound's, just to see how the Government would take it on!What do you think they would do? In my opinion the People would have to have some kind of protection or suffer some kind of lose of life, even with NO resistance! That's what it's come to.Okla, is that a great Idea or what!

-- Posted by Jo on Thu, Aug 30, 2012, at 12:52 PM

Uh OKR...not the rest of the World mate.

Our Economy here in OZ is great. We have more mining jobs than we can fill...and our mines pay well. The average miners annual wages come to around $100,000+ a year. Here in Sydney there are jobs across the spectrum for the diligent job-seeker. Last quarter's Australian Economic Report stated we had a zero inflation rate. So, yeah, we were not really affected too much by the U.S. economic collapse of '08.

In fact, though we certainly have our share of problems here in Oz, the fact is life here is pretty good...especially relative to life behind the American Iron Curtain.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Aug 30, 2012, at 2:16 AM

I am almost with you on that one News. I think that the Democrats are closer to sanity. Though their approach to never ending war is not an example of sanity.

I have come to the sad conclusion that the military-industrial complex is the only thing keeping our country, and thus the world from nose diving into a deep depression. We can not extricate ourselves because we are dependent on the economic energy generated by constant war.

I can imagine poor Barak Obama, morosely walking the halls of the Whitehouse late at night, much as did Lincoln, agonizing over a continuous war, mounting deaths, destruction, and injury, torn because he believes the war is necessary to save our nation from destruction. How ironic that it is not the assigned enemy that he must somehow defeat, instead an economic nightmare that may destroy society as we know it the world over. Perhaps his dilemma is even greater than was Lincoln's. Is there any person that can pull us out of the quandary of this century? Perhaps not, but I hope that Obama is reelected over the clueless Romney the only other possible winner, and has four more years to try.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Aug 30, 2012, at 12:52 AM

Ron Paul Libertarians walk out of Regressive convention. I'm proud to say some were from Oklahoma. http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/ho...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Aug 30, 2012, at 12:21 AM

Its like I keep saying, any rational mind can easily see the Republicans went off the deep end a long time ago, and putting mentally deranged people in control of our government is a real bad idea. I don't like the Democrats either, but at least they are sane.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Aug 30, 2012, at 12:06 AM

Yeh News...but the Regressives don't even have good taste. LOL

I thought the movie was a hoot. What a wise dog, he would have made a giant of a president, especially now that contemporary giants may be measured against contemporary presidents so small.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Aug 29, 2012, at 11:40 PM

Oh, and yeah I saw that movie on the big silver screen. Remember the end?

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Aug 29, 2012, at 11:24 PM

OKR

ROTFLMAO...TIMES 2!!

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Aug 29, 2012, at 11:12 PM

Speaking now only to News Across, and others who are my fellow travelers. I have to warn you of something. Stay the hell away from television broadcasts of the Regressives convention.

I watched about five minutes of it in two segments. The best parallel I can think of to describe the experience is to say that it is akin to holding your breath under water. Before very long you are squirming, then panic sets in causing you to rise above to get a breath of fresh air.

The first segment some nabob was speaking. I was astounded to learn that there are so many euphemisms for trickle down, return to the Bush years, free Wall Street from legal oversight, and lets start another war. Yes there they were asking, demanding, cajoling, a return to everything we did under eight years of George W. Bush, but never once using the same since ridiculed words that the Bushies used to explain what they were doing. It was truly amazing, all the more so because the crowd was cheering in actuality, for four more years of George W. Bush. Talk about a captive crowd.

And that brings me to the second segment I watched as it was all about the crowd. I had turned the sound off this time as I couldn't stand to hear any more of what I had heard before. The cameras were panning across the crowd. I had not seen such a sea of similar white faces with fat red cheeks, strange eyes and satisfied smiles since years ago when I was in a long mall at Christmas time that had a wall of replicated over, and over Santa faces, all leering with weird eyes. It was so bad that mothers were throwing blankets over their kiddies eyes and hurriedly pushing strollers away from the mural. They never brought that one back to the mall. I'm sorry to say the Regressives will duplicate their spectacle every four years.

The other thing I noted was a vague familiarity as I saw that sea of faces. Then it hit me. I recalled an old cult movie called "A Boy and His Dog" which had a section of the movie set underground after the destruction of civilization. I think it was called underground Topeka. Anyway it was a very restrictive throwback society with a constant county fair ambiance. All the citizens wore overalls, or gingham dresses. Everyone had a smile painted on their face. All were Aryan whites. They snapped the necks of people, and sent them to "the farm" for the slightest straying from conformity. Then the horror of it all, of the convention, hit me full in the face. OMG the conventioneers were facsimiles of the folks of underground Topeka! I shut off the television, poured myself a shot of Jameson's and ran outside to get a breath of fresh air. The air wasn't really fresh, but it is getting easier, and easier to delude ourselves, some more than others. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Aug 29, 2012, at 11:04 PM

sixty

I am not a Democrat nor do I vote for Democrats.

I am not a Republican nor do I vote for Republicans.

I am a true independent voter.

I do not in any way support either of the 2 major parties' candidates and under no circumstances will I vote for either.

In addition, as an independent voter, I am undecided regarding the other candidates for the White House.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Aug 29, 2012, at 10:15 PM

Open participation Sixty...watcha got to say? Diversity is welcome here, unlike the Republican Convention. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Aug 29, 2012, at 9:45 PM

The only flag that could have been more insulting is the Jolly Roger. Come to think of it the Jolly Roger would at least offer itself as a more honest symbol of purpose.

This guy would not have gotten a whiff of the presidency without hiding his shennanigans. Yet half of the Amurcan voters will select this guy that they don't know a darn thing about.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Aug 29, 2012, at 9:29 PM

Wow! Didn't realize this was the Democratic blog on the MDN website. Oh yeah I forgot this is Saline County.

-- Posted by sixty on Wed, Aug 29, 2012, at 9:20 PM

"Romney Party Yacht Flies Cayman Islands Flag"

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/romney-par...

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/08/29/ro...

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Aug 29, 2012, at 8:16 PM

We would have to be nuts to put the Crazy Party, aka, the Republican Party, or its crazy candidates into any political office of any kind.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Aug 29, 2012, at 7:12 PM

gb I certainly agree that the Democratic Party is also a tool of the corporatists. I only think of them as the lesser of two evils. The only difference in my opinion is that they seem to retain an iota of compassion for the common people.

I believe that it helps to get a handle on where they are coming from if you listen to the words out of the mouths of the biggest of corporatists who support each party. There is a distinct difference between the words of Warren Buffet who advocates raising taxes on the rich, and the Koch Brothers who in essence say they should pay no taxes.

In the short haul if we elect Romney, and give him a stacked deck in congress we the people will suffer from it. Deservedly so, I hasten to add. The havoc created by giving the corporatists unfettered control of everything at this time may hasten the revolution of the people that will inevitably come.

Greed has consumed any rationality once possessed by the pigs, and even the very souls of the corporatists. They are blind to all else. Therefore they do not see that destroying society as we know it will ultimately destroy them.

One example is their support for unlimited undocumented migrant workers in the United States. It does lower the base cost of labor, and they love that. If they wanted it stopped, it would be stopped. These peoples from countries that are no strangers to revolution will soon be a majority. That is not to be feared for they will be our brothers in the coming revolution

Viva la revolucion...my only regret is that I won't live long enough to be a part of it.

Another asset of the people's revolution is the hundreds of thousands of disgruntled, undervalued, undercompensated, left to lick their wounds alone veterans, many deployed over, and over have been killing for over ten years. How do you stop killing after all that? That is a powder keg which if exploded will turn the inevitable revolution into hell on earth.

The nearsighted bloated pigs at the top only think they are lighting celebratory cigars attesting their latest swindle. Fools. they are lighting powder kegs.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Aug 29, 2012, at 5:25 PM

SD,

That is hilariously funny!!

I like it!

Ya know mate, I will be voting -- and no Republican ever gets my vote.

Lots of folks think we give up our right to vote when we move overseas. They are wrong of course, but they think that. As long as an ex-pat maintains a residence in his/her district (we own a place in Independence), he/she can continue to vote in every election. I can cast my vote in person or by absentee ballot. I may be coming home to vote or I might just vote absentee, but 1 thing is absolute, I love my Country and so I refuse to vote Republican.

I hope that my fellow voters can remember what happened the last time there was a Republican in the White House.

THE PARTY OF NO! HAS GOT TO GO!!!

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Aug 29, 2012, at 4:45 PM

Just heard this and it is just too funny. Well, to me it is.

"I loved Ann Romney's speech. She totally articulated how important it is to working moms that millionaires pay less taxes."

Priceless.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Wed, Aug 29, 2012, at 3:54 PM

Hey, I work at a job where the boss, the owner of the company, prior to the 2008 elections, posted notices on the bulletin boards at work that if Obama won, the company was going to lose orders and most likely go out of business.

No kidding.

Amazingly, we are still here.

After discussions with state officials, I learned that this behavior is not illegal. Unethical, yes, but not an actionable offense.

So, today we have right wingers threatening employees in order to sway their votes. Same crap occurs from the pulpit in many churches.

So, what I also learned in the past decade is that there is no low water mark for conservative politics. They continue to sink to ever more illogical and foolish campaign tactics to win elections because they can't win based on their ideas, solutions, character, or leadership abilities, the typical methods for gaining political support.

I am quite disgusted with all the lies spread among the populace in order to divide us as a society just so a bunch of rich cats can win elections. Most right wing issues, that they use to prey on the emotions of their base voters, have no bearing on the future of mankind, or America for that matter.

What we need is jobs, economic growth, affordable health care, and solutions to our future energy problems along with some preparedness for upcoming climate change.

We probably all agree that those issues are important. I see no facts, or plans from the right wing that provide solutions to these problems. In fact one can make a pretty good argument that right wing policies have created many of these problems in the first place.

I also find it treasonable that a political party would purposely make many of these problems worse in order to win an election. Everyone knows that the Koch Brothers, Pickens, and their like, the GOP controlled Congress, many GOP controlled state legislatures, the Republican National Committee, and several other 1%'ers have done everything in their power to undermine the Obama administration and the federal government and to keep the economy on the ropes as long as possible.

How is it that we should reward them for that behavior?

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Wed, Aug 29, 2012, at 8:24 AM

Well Jo, I understand your position, but its always hard-times for those folks. I don't blame them. After all, they have babies to feed at home. Also, in mining areas the mining companies own and control almost everything.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Aug 29, 2012, at 1:56 AM

If the Coal Miners are that easy to intimidate,they need to lose their Money

-- Posted by Jo on Tue, Aug 28, 2012, at 8:52 PM

"Coal miners say they were forced to attend Romney event and donate"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/08/28/co...

http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/...

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Aug 28, 2012, at 3:57 PM

I think your National Strike is the way to go,News! How do i sign up?

-- Posted by Jo on Tue, Aug 28, 2012, at 3:53 PM

Interested Too

Oh I don't know either mate, Either way, if he wins enough write in ballet votes, he wins (except in Oklahoma).

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Aug 28, 2012, at 3:40 PM

Hi news,

I don't believe he qualified as an Independent.

I don't think qualifying as a primary candidate automatically insures a position on a general ballot.

I guess I need some education on this point.

-- Posted by Interested Too on Tue, Aug 28, 2012, at 2:43 PM

"In climate landmark, Arctic ice melts to record low"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/08/27/in...

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Aug 28, 2012, at 4:38 AM

Interested Too,

I believe he qualified in most states during the primaries.

Either way, write-in ballots work too (except in Oklahoma)..

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Aug 27, 2012, at 2:13 PM

News;

Indeedy, it would be, but it can't happen until 2016 as most states have deadlines for filing that have expired.

-- Posted by Interested Too on Mon, Aug 27, 2012, at 9:50 AM

Oh and here is something to think about.

Is Ron Paul gearing up for an independent bid for the White House?

Wouldn't that be a game changer?

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Aug 27, 2012, at 12:41 AM

So...

Anyone want to guess what will happen to the Republican Party after they find out what Americans think of them in November?

I am betting the Tea Part splits off and tries to form a viable 3rd party.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Aug 27, 2012, at 12:39 AM

Our problem is not so much the availability of guns as it is overpopulation.

As a species, our best environment, based on the science, appears to be that which allows us to live in small communities of 30 to 50 people, mostly, if not entirely, at the least, extended family.

In such communities each member of the community is vital to the survival of all the other members of the community.

In the case of our Paleolithic ancestors,everyone, man, women, and child carried at least a knife , but it wasn't humans they were worried about. They worried about predatory animals and food.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7bqi70B3...

Our problem is overpopulation.

The good news is that Mother Nature is about to correct that problem.

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Aug 25, 2012, at 6:31 PM

Nana:

I LIKE it.

-- Posted by Interested Too on Sat, Aug 25, 2012, at 12:04 PM

???????????

I am practicing. Soon I will be able to catch NanaDot!!!!!!!!!!

Just kidding Nana.

-- Posted by Interested Too on Sat, Aug 25, 2012, at 8:44 AM

"Congress shall have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birth-right of an American ... The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or the state governments, but where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the People."

-Tench Coxe, Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788

Who cares about guns? We MUST get rid of those swords!

-- Posted by Interested Too on Sat, Aug 25, 2012, at 8:42 AM

"religion is a matter which lies solely between Man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church and State.

Thomas Jefferson

Letter to the Danbury Baptist Association (1802)

http://civilliberty.about.com/od/religio...

"Without Freedom of Thought, there can be no such Thing as Wisdom; and no such Thing as publick Liberty, without Freedom of Speech; which is the Right of every Man, as far as by it he does not hurt or countroul the Right of another: And this is the only Check it ought to suffer, and the only Bounds it ought to know."

Benjamin Franklin

The New England Courant, July 9, 1722

http://www.masshist.org/online/silence_d...

"... with regard to the merely contingent or, as it may be called, constructive injury which a person causes to society, by conduct which neither violates any specific duty to the public, nor occasions perceptible hurt to any assignable individual except himself; the inconvenience is one which society can afford to bear, for the sake of the greater good of human freedom."

John Staurt Mill,

"ON LIBERTY"

CHAPTER 4,

"OF THE LIMITS TO THE AUTHORITY OF SOCIETY OVER THE INDIVIDUAL"

Paragraph 11, line 1

http://www.constitution.org/jsm/liberty....

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Aug 24, 2012, at 4:08 PM

"If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen."

- Samuel Adams

"Whenever governments mean to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise an army upon their ruins."

-Rep. Elbridge Gerry of Massachusetts, spoken during floor debate over the Second Amendment, I Annals of Congress at 750, August 17, 1789.

"Congress shall have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birth-right of an American ... The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or the state governments, but where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the People."

-Tench Coxe, Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788

-- Posted by gentle ben on Fri, Aug 24, 2012, at 3:02 PM

Traffic

"Dear Mr. Fantasy"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSQ1akE2C...

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Aug 24, 2012, at 2:27 PM

"Ryan on abortion exceptions: Rape is just another 'method of conception"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/08/24/ry...

Folks, its official, conservatism is a serious mental illness.

Let's not put the mentally ill back in charge of our nation.

After all, you saw what happened the last time these nutcases had control of the White House.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Aug 24, 2012, at 2:08 PM

Smart Dog

I am not calling for revolution.

I was simply explaining "3rd Class Coach theory." of Economics.

GB,

Utilizing the National Strike method of passive-resistance, there are no angry crowds, no buildings on fire, no mayhem, no assaults, and no-one for the police to arrest or shoot.

With the National Strike method the entire economy simply comes to a grinding halt and will not restart until the demands of the People are met.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Aug 24, 2012, at 1:49 PM

Smart Dog - I would agree with your statement about the military - "Of course the other way to ignite revolution is to send your military out against the citizens. We may be much closer to that than we realize with that lovely Patriot Act we got from the Bush/Cheney assault on our freedoms." But I think it will be militarized SWAT teams and militarized local police organizations that become a problem. For crying out loud - why do agencies like the Department of Education, the Bureau of Fisheries, and the National Parks System need their own SWAT teams? It may be just a by-product of an obese military complex - not enough countries to police - so we have to police our own people with automatic weapons while dressed in black riot gear, helmets, and kevlar vests. It's getting harder and harder to maintain a level head - too many FEMA camps and domestic special ops teams, and too much government intervention as a whole. And it's getting harder and harder to tell who the true patriots are - or what it looks like to be one. A hidden cabin in the woods is looking more and more logical to me.

-- Posted by gentle ben on Fri, Aug 24, 2012, at 1:28 PM

I think you revolutionaries are a bit premature. I don't see folks dying in the streets, or starving to death, in America just yet.

Notice I said YET.

"If I needed to kill a upper class citizen to keep my children from starvation, you bet I'd do it." That is the mentality of the revolutionary.

We are still way, way too well off in America. Like someone once told me, "You Americans are hilarious, you think someone needs to be fired, or the governor needs to be impeached, because there's no ice in your water at dinner."

Of course the other way to ignite revolution is to send your military out against the citizens. We may be much closer to that than we realize with that lovely Patriot Act we got from the Bush/Cheney assault on our freedoms.

Personally, I ain't quite ready to give up on America as it exists quite yet.

I am however, thinking of joining up with the GOP just so I could get in there and try and bring them back from the edge of the cliff. I feel that we are well served by having some level of disagreement in our system. It was sort of established to function well with forced compromise.

Problem is that I fear the GOP is too far gone to perform it's duties as opposition to labor and "the great unwashed masses." It has become the party that wishes to conduct a legally elected coup and then impose fundamentalist rule based on that dang old rewritten book of mythological stories.

Our GOP has crossed the dangerous line of co-mingling religion and politics. As it works so well to influence certain voters, they just can't help themselves. Their economic and regulatory policies are horrible, so it is the last hope for winning elections; prey on the emotions of believers.

I'd like to see some good old fashioned compromise and teamwork in our federal government. I still think it's possible, but we have to pry the TV and Radio Evangelists, the NRA, Fox News, and all the corporate money out of our political system.

A good start would be the elimination of sedition as an acceptable practice. Rush Limbaugh is a cancer on our system. Yes, he has the right to say what he thinks, but not to shout "Fire" in a crowded theater.

He regularly calls for the destruction of the American system of government, and promotes disrespect of our federal officials, and those who are elected to serve it, and us.

The man is a blatant example of someone who has gotten rich, filthy stinkin' rich, off the destruction of the democratic process in America.

Shameful, but it is amazing to me how many folks run to his defense.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Fri, Aug 24, 2012, at 11:32 AM

"New video from 'Paul Ryan' features him rapping 'White people are back!"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/08/23/pa...

Oh you don't want to miss this one.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Aug 24, 2012, at 12:13 AM

Ya know, OKR, in the end its the will of the People that wins the day.

Hang in there mate, a better World is coming because it cannot be stopped.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxiMrvDbq...

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Aug 23, 2012, at 9:55 PM

OKR,

In the science of Economics, we have a scientific theory, based upon studies of historical revolutions. It is sometimes referred to as "3rd Coach Class Theory.

This theory holds that when a majority of citizens have lost everything they own, they don't mind sacrificing their lives -- as long as they can take rich folks with them. The French Revolution is a very good example of this cause and effect relationship.

When folks get hungry enough, they revolt.

I prefer and support only peaceful revolution. The end result is the same, but with a National Strike approach there are no crowds, no-one for the police, loyal to the rich only, to arrest or shoot, no burning buildings, and no mayhem. Instead, the People simply bring the entire economy to an abrupt halt and it does not begin again untill the demands of the People are met.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Aug 23, 2012, at 9:39 PM

With you on that one News (what else is new) :)

If we only had the guts to do it the French way, rapid change would occur. In a sense the corporate pigs, spurred on by their greed,are setting a situation where people will freeze the flow of exchange half because they have nothing left, and the other half because they are afraid they will lose what they have left. Half can't make their payments, and the other half won't because of panic. Itsa comin' if they don't get their sh-- together!

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Aug 23, 2012, at 9:10 PM

GB,

The most effective revolutions have been the revolutions that utilize peaceful resistance.

After all King brought down the Jim Crow empire and Ghandi brought down the British Empire down without ever firing a single shot.

I personally prefer the "National Strike" method developed by the French.

This is where all people -- or at least most of the people who are not self-employed, folks who work for a living, stay home and refuse to work and refuse to make any purchases or pay any bills until their collective demands are met.

These can completely cripple the powers that be. The rich lose billions of dollars everyday and its difficult for them to do anything because the masses refuse to cooperate, provide any labor, and refuse to provide any services.

These types of revolutions are very, very effective and tend to require only a week or 2 before the rich cave to all demands.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Aug 23, 2012, at 7:33 PM

I keep hearing (and reading) people say it's gonna take a revolution to get the nation back on track. So where is this revolution? I'm game! And as far as patriotism goes, I think revolution to bring change to a broken system is the true measure of one's patriotism. (Think Adams, Franklin, et al).

-- Posted by gentle ben on Thu, Aug 23, 2012, at 2:36 PM

News,

You remember this old joke? I think it applies to the Texas judge in your link.

"If you beat the bull$#%t out of a Texan, you could bury him in a shoebox."

What an idiot. Sedition is correct, yet apparently goes unenforced. Some folks will go to extremes to try and veil their overt racism, I reckon.

There are many, many Religous Righties today who are dangerous. Extremely dangerous. However, just ask them and they will tell you that God is on their side. How do moderate Christians stand still for that?

Much as Ted (the Motor City Bonehead) Nugent is calling for civil war if Obama is re-elected, apparently judges in Texas wish to initiate the destruction of our country as well.

I've said it many times before but here goes again.... How is it that folks find it a good idea to vote for these clowns, like Judge Head in Texas or Congressman Akin right here in Missouri?

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Thu, Aug 23, 2012, at 8:16 AM

I read it red,

It sounds like straight up sedition to me.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/08/22/re...

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Aug 22, 2012, at 9:52 PM

The passion pit was a good place to become better acquainted with a future constituency. One at a time I presume? I bet the promises you made in those early campaigns were as exagerrated as any made by politicians today.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Aug 22, 2012, at 8:58 PM

Aw. OKR you make me blush. There ain't a mean bone in my body. At least not anymore.

-- Posted by red dog on Wed, Aug 22, 2012, at 8:40 PM

Did you read about that judge down in Texas? Wow!

-- Posted by red dog on Wed, Aug 22, 2012, at 8:38 PM

Your opinion of RD doesn't count SD. I figure you are of the same pack of dogs, off leash, and runnin' these virtual streets for quite some time now. I for one like both of you canine curmudgeons choice of targets to raise your leg on, and to howl about. I also appreciate the warning barks. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Aug 22, 2012, at 8:31 PM

What do you all think about the Marshall/Saline County stuff right now? It seems like there are some of our elected people that don't get along any too good. How about our City Council stuff? Are we allowed the opportunity to question how some of the decisions are arrived at? I cant decide if I am happy or unhappy about it. No one is making any waves so all must be right with the world. I ran for the council once quite a few years back. Ran on the Rainbow Stew platform. Didn't get many votes but it was educational as well as kinda fun. And I think I actually managed not to p... anyone off. On second thought, no,it was a LOT of fun. I got to spout off a lot.

-- Posted by red dog on Wed, Aug 22, 2012, at 8:01 PM

You mentioned grade B movies OKR. That made me think of the old "passion pit" and the movies there, almost all grade B. I went to the drive-in movie a lot. I do not remember much about the movies. It seems movies didn't interest me as much as who I was with. Geez but I am bad. Would you consider that politics in the most basic form?

-- Posted by red dog on Wed, Aug 22, 2012, at 7:24 PM

I'm with OKR on this red dog, I like your brand of wit, and have no concerns about your intelligence.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Wed, Aug 22, 2012, at 7:23 PM

RR3, where are you? You write like I chat. I consider it going back to basics. You know what I mean even if it isn't letter perfect. Who is perfect? He died on the cross 2012 (2013) years ago, depending how you interpret the calendar, but that isn't political yet. I made a remark about eecummins. youhavetoadmireherforgoingbacktobasicsdarnitishardwritelikethis I know you aren't shy and I know you have opinions. Let's hear from you. You might try to lighten up a little. It will keep the blood pressure down.

-- Posted by red dog on Wed, Aug 22, 2012, at 7:01 PM

Seems to me RD that the only one who impugns your intelligence is you, and that despite the nastinesss that pops up from time, to time on these blogs. :)

Regarding the Muskogee Malady I gotta live that every day at the epicenter, and I like that phrase you coined.

As far as Akin being a success down here, that's a certainty, but he would have to get in line, and show a little patience. There are many here who not only think just like him, but like him, (and different from other Missourian Righties) spout the same swill.

Actually breeding he and Sally Kern would likely produce an entirely new animal, a monster the likes of which haven't been seen this side of a grade B horror movie. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Aug 22, 2012, at 4:44 PM

Let's all go down to Dumas Walker's and have a slaw burger, fries and a bottle of 'ski. Now that would be a really fine place to discuss politics. I think that is someplace in Kentucky. Not sure. I am sure the Muskogee Malady has reached there though. I just can't let the Muskogee Malady go can I OKR? Oh well. I have never been accused of being intelligent. Twisted maybe. I am sure there is a difference.

-- Posted by red dog on Wed, Aug 22, 2012, at 4:18 PM

RD,

lol...definitely mate.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Aug 22, 2012, at 4:01 PM

Smart Dog, Well said! You put it together very well!

-- Posted by Jo on Wed, Aug 22, 2012, at 3:52 PM

Sounds like this Aiken fellow would be a shoe-in in Oklahoma.

-- Posted by red dog on Wed, Aug 22, 2012, at 3:15 PM

SD,

Excellent comment mate.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Aug 22, 2012, at 2:28 PM

Politics once was cordial

and sometimes even fun

now you can't be Republican

and to the left of Attila the Hun

;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Aug 22, 2012, at 1:24 PM

Mr. Akin refuses to quit (so far) and the GOP is trying to run away from him, but reality is that they just don't like being caught with a member saying what the rest of the partyline republicans think and agree with.

Apparently Akin has supporters in the GOP. Plenty of them.

http://swampland.time.com/2012/08/21/why...

So what they really are upset about is that the truth about Akin, and many other clueless GOP politicians, came out and it jepordizes their chances at another poitical coup. They desire complete control of our federal government.

I find it hard to believe that so many folks are just itching to return to the Bush years and all the financial and political disasters we are now living with.

They gave us two unfunded wars which bankrupted our country. Remember the budget surplus we used to have prior to 2000?

One war, I think was justified (Afghanistan) but then we let Osama slip through our fingers and stayed for another 10 years to get the job done. Iraq was a "for profit" war. Ask Dick Cheney how much money he made off of it. Never mind, you will never get a straight answer.

Then they gave us the "Halliburton Rule" in the 2005 Energy Bill which gives one company a free pass from federal Clean Water and Clean Air standards. Go ahead, destroy land and water resources in the name of profits. Another legacy of the GOP government take-over of 2000.

Elimination of Glass-Stegal. Deregulation of banking. Gutting of organized labor.

And the worst one of all, politicization of the Supreme Court.

Should I go on or does anyone get the picture yet?

Sadly, the Super-Christians will race to the polls to vote once again for lower taxes for the 1%'ers, less support for senior citizens, and more government telling what you can and can not do in private.

Tell me truthfully, senior citizens, do you think privatizing Social Security, so that some more 1%'ers make a profit from your retirement savings, which by default means you get less, is a good idea?

How about medicare? All folks our there now enjoying the benefits, do you think you will get as good of a system with private insurance? That is certainly what a GOP take over of the federal government will result in.

As our founding fathers knew quite well, the mixture of religion and government is dangerous. You can get otherwise intelligent folks to vote for all kinds of things when you prey on their spiritual beliefs.

However, it's a nice way to buy votes easily.

You may not like McCaskill, or Obama, much, but I guarantee they will not take away your Social Security and Medicare benefits, or the promise of my future benefits. No one can say the same for their opponents.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Wed, Aug 22, 2012, at 10:46 AM

upsedaisy

Politics have a significant effect in almost every aspect of our lives. Elections have consequences.

However, I see nothing wrong with a little crazy skinny-dipping once in a while, but as an American how a legislator votes matters to me at a very personal level.

I don't admonish him for something as innocently human as skinny-dipping, but I do have a problem with his apparent willingness to sell his legislated vote...at the expense of his constituency and our Nation.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Aug 22, 2012, at 1:13 AM

Yoder's skinny dipping happened a year ago. He was on a weeklong "fact-finding mission" paid for by the American Israel Education Foundation, according to congressional records.

U.S. Rep. Renee Ellmers, a Dunn NC Republican and her husband were among dozens of members of Congress, their spouses and staff who were part of the fact-finding visit. The trip included meeting top officials such as Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu and touring the country. Her trip cost $19,000. Multiply that by dozens to find out how much the American Israel Education Foundation spent to make their points to Congress.

She said that Yoder was a dear friend and was sure that he was overcome by the rigors of the factfinding mission and too many drinks, perhaps.

He was joined swimming by a number of members, their families and GOP staff after having dinner at a restaurant along the water. Yoder was the only person fully undressed

In a statement to Politico Yoder said, ""A year ago, my wife, Brooke, and I joined colleagues for dinner at the Sea of Galilee in Israel," "After dinner I followed some Members of Congress in a spontaneous and very brief dive into the sea and regrettably I jumped into the water without a swimsuit. It is my greatest honor to represent the people of Kansas in Congress and (for) any embarrassment I have caused for my colleagues and constituents, I apologize."

Some suggested that it was considered offensive to swim nude in the Sea where Jesus walked on water. I daresay that in the 2000 years since there have been many, many others who have gone for a swim in the Sea.

I thought that it popping up on the same day news of the Akin flap might be a diversion by Republicans to turn the focus from Akin.

Ah politics, the great diversion from real problems.

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Tue, Aug 21, 2012, at 11:14 PM

Personally i think it would take a Mini Revolution! And then i think, they would just order the Military to kill us all! Same all over the World! It has to be done a little at a time.Maybe the Voting System with a popular vote instead of the Electoral Collage! Any votes coming out of Washington to pass any Bills should have a 51%. None of this 61% crap,Majority Rules on any votes! That's the way its always been until the Pin Heads figured this would be better! I'm sure the American People had NO part in it,we just let it pass like everything else. Focus on some of these changes first would put a kink in their maneuvers its all calculated on both sides,and with the rules they set up for themselves! The American People should have more say about our Employees Salaries & Benifits,but the SOB set there own. What the Hell is wrong with us? There has to be a better way to Govern

-- Posted by Jo on Tue, Aug 21, 2012, at 11:03 PM

red dog

You think you have it bad?

You ought to try being an American living overseas.

Whenever America tortures a few people or invades another 3rd World country or kills its own citizens, we overseas Americans never hear the end of it.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Aug 21, 2012, at 9:03 PM

OKR,

"Flea Party: Hard to get rid of"

Made me laugh out loud. Almost spit out my milk with dinner.

Nice follow to Red Dog's at 6:40.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Tue, Aug 21, 2012, at 7:39 PM

Have not RD, I'll check out a review.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Aug 21, 2012, at 7:38 PM

Re: Flea Party, I forgot their signature characteristic they get their life blood mostly from rats.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Aug 21, 2012, at 7:27 PM

I think I will dig out the Man Who Shot Liberty Valance. Still.........that one is kind of bittersweet. By the way, ever read McKinley Kantor's Missouri Bittersweet?

-- Posted by red dog on Tue, Aug 21, 2012, at 7:20 PM

Aw RedDog just go watch an old Jimmy Cagney movie on NetFlix...you'll be O. K. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Aug 21, 2012, at 7:14 PM

Instead of Tea Party, how about Flea Party? Hard to get rid of, unwelcomed by everyone, carriers of contagions dangerous to the health of all, and they cause us to scratch our heads just thinkin' about 'em. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Aug 21, 2012, at 7:10 PM

While I am having disjointed thoughts...again. Isn't it strange/sad/predictable how most people get satisfaction out of seeing the big guy get knocked down, lose, proved to be human? Look how the world applauds USA misfortune and start your thought process there. It isn't cool to be the big dog unless you are part of a gang and ruthless. Look at all the criminals that have been turned into deities. So as not to go too far back in history, start with Jessie James. With that having been posed, surely there are good, hardworking, responsible, caring people that have been elected to represent us. Don't knock them but for goodness sake cull out the bad apples.

-- Posted by red dog on Tue, Aug 21, 2012, at 7:00 PM

When you see what is happening today you have to laugh, or cry. For me, most of the time, I choose laughter even if it is necessarily confined to deriding variety; sarcastic, sardonic, satirical, scathing, or scornful.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Aug 21, 2012, at 6:47 PM

Jo. Right on! Change obviously isn't easy though. Look at the "Tea Party". A bunch of people got together and decided the make things better, trying to approach Utopia. They got mouthy and a lot of press. It appeared they had things together and could make a big difference. As time went on it was obvious it turned into the old same-0 same-0. A few got the upper hand and look how it is ending up. It is the old let someone else do it thing and the zealots are more than happy to oblige. People will have to stay focused a long, long time to effect any change I am afraid. Some here will say the Tea Party is alive and well but I am afraid that isn't so. The bunch are morphing into something else and I think the name will have to go. Believe it or not, I don't have any suggestions for a new name.

-- Posted by red dog on Tue, Aug 21, 2012, at 6:40 PM

Oh gosh, I am so sorry I submitted the previous post. The answer suddenly came to me as I hit the enter button. We all know what slides downhill. I just didn't remember.

-- Posted by red dog on Tue, Aug 21, 2012, at 6:29 PM

You know OKR, I will on rare occasions say something ridiculous just to get crap started. I like to think I am a serious, faithful, dedicated individual but......sometimes the pressure just gets to be too much. Could this in any way be related to the Muskogee effect? I am worried now as obviously I sometimes suffer the Muskogee Malady. Now it is obvious the Muskogee Malady has drifted into the southern hemisphere. Do you suppose the effect is the same in both hemispheres? I am getting the impression it is more serious the further south you go.

-- Posted by red dog on Tue, Aug 21, 2012, at 6:27 PM

"Missouri Republican official: 'God chose to bless' women with pregnancies from rape"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/08/21/mi...

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/21/us/pol...

Folks its time we finally admit it, conservatism is a mental illness. Let's not put the mentally ill into political office.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Aug 21, 2012, at 5:48 PM

Yoder Swimming in the Nude,who hasn't? Is this because he's a Republican? That's silly! There's too much of this craziness! Let's get down to the seriousness of what can and will happen. Like RED Dog, Said "we deal with this every 2 to 4 Year's"It's either Change the System or at least the way it work's! Majority of Americans has NO concept of how thing's work,and is manipulated to the point of Criminal!Tell me why they haven't demanded the TAX RETURNS OF ROMENEY,DON'T ASK HIM ,LIKE IT A FAVOR, TELL HIM! PLEASE DON'T SAY IT THE LAW,HE'S RUNNING FOR THE PRESIDENT OF THE USA!

-- Posted by Jo on Tue, Aug 21, 2012, at 3:54 PM

We should start by kicking Madison Avenue to the curb. It is demeaning to candidates, and citizens to sell aspirants to public office as if they were F-150s, or Silverados.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Aug 21, 2012, at 3:14 PM

The bitter truth is that we get what we deserve. I never thought I would say this, but the right to vote should be sharply restricted. I do not mean a return to any of the superficial restrictions we have suffered through as a nation such as class, race, or gender.

We are a nation of people (perhaps all nations are) who as a whole are unable to think critically, to think objectively, to think rationally. I don't know whether the majority of people are incapable of it, or whether our education system has failed miserably in establishing its goals, and/or methods.

I believe that it is time to establish a parallel education system from which all citizens must successfully graduate before they are allowed to vote.

Its sole goal would be to teach the fore mentioned subjects, and abilities. Ideology would necessarily be banned from such an endeavor, as would extraneous academic achievement. It should be taught orally, literally, and visually, and tested by all three methods depending on the skill set possessed by each student. An opportunity should be provided to test out of the course work if one can demonstrate the necessary abilities prior to course work. That would probably result in twenty percent of the people who would be the base voting group. The base would grow as more learned to think critically, etc. It would force academia to address the issue, and prepare children to become full citizens. Hopefully it would overshadow false national testing, and truly, no child would be left behind.

It would result in a voting populace who care enough to earn the privilege to vote, and who have the rationality to make sound decisions.

It would put an end to attempted brainwashing by television spots no more relevant than auto, and toothpaste ads. In fact it would elevate the presentation of candidates in every way.

"I voted" stickers would become a symbol of prestige, pride, and achievement as never before.

I know that it is an utopian idea. However we can look at it as a guide to what would be best. From that guide we could remove all the campaigning techniques, and strategies that appeal to any other than critically, and rationally thinking voters. Only those who paid attention, and learned would vote. We would no longer be attempting to lure voters to the polls by any means, hoping for greater numbers. Instead we would be making way for better voters.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Aug 21, 2012, at 2:38 PM

Today's poll shows Akin ahead of McCaskill by one percentage point. This is what he was leading by before his gaff.

Like I said before, it won't matter at all. People have made up their minds, and the only group to win over are the 8 or 9 % that are truly independent.

-- Posted by Interested Too on Tue, Aug 21, 2012, at 11:06 AM

Muskogee is sweeping around the world. It has hit the bottom.

-- Posted by red dog on Tue, Aug 21, 2012, at 8:50 AM

FDR's "Worker's Bill of Rights"

"We have come to a clear realization of the fact that true individual freedom cannot exist without economic security and independence. Necessitous men are not free men. People who are hungry and out of a job are the stuff of which dictatorships are made.

In our day these economic truths have become accepted as self-evident. We have accepted, so to speak, a second Bill of Rights under which a new basis of security and prosperity can be established for all -- regardless of station, race, or creed. Among these are:

*Opportunity

The right to a useful and remunerative job...

The right to a good education.

The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies...

*Security

The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment.

The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health.

The right of every family to a decent home.

The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation."

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index....

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Aug 21, 2012, at 7:07 AM

"Hard Time Killing Floor Blues"

Chris Thomas King

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=An6z4TaLm...

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Aug 21, 2012, at 5:02 AM

red dog,

Yes, I do know.

Neither were wanted for any criminal or civil violations. Neither had ever been indited for any crimes, neither had any outstanding criminal warrants issued for their arrest, and all of their civil rights were violated beginning with their right to habeas corpus. In fact, after their military executions, the Obama Administration admitted it had zero (0) evidence to connect either to any crimes.

The President does not have any Constitutional authority to deny any American habeas corpus or Due Process.

Obama claims that the 2001 Joint Resolution of Congress authorizing military force in Afghanistan gives him such authority, and a Bush appointee to the Federal Courts ruled in Anwar al-Awlaki v. Barack H. Obama that the Courts cannot hear any case involving national security.

Obama further claims the right to deny any American anyplace in the World -- including within the Continental USA -- their right to habeas corpus, Due Process, and even the right to deny them their own lives -- effectively declaring martial law in violation of our Constitution and despite all legal precedents to the contrary.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Aug 21, 2012, at 3:42 AM

Judge Priest. Not Judas Priest.

-- Posted by red dog on Tue, Aug 21, 2012, at 3:16 AM

Bashing Oklahoma is popular right now. Remember one very, very good thing that Oklahoma has provided us. That was a man. Will Rogers was his name. He sure had a way with words. He could ridicule politicians and make them like it. Go to Youtube and see if you can find anything. One movie I really enjoyed on the Internet Archive Wayback Machine was Judas Priest. Not politics, I know but in actuality Will Rogers was the consummate politician.

-- Posted by red dog on Tue, Aug 21, 2012, at 3:06 AM

And yes, I called him "President" Obama. I respect the position as should all loyal citizens of the United States of America. I also respect the man for doing what he thinks is right. I don't often agree but he has put himself in a heck of position by seeking the power. He is only one man and all these things he has done has come from advisers, most with an agenda. I think he has problems with considering the options and choosing the right one which means he isn't getting the kind of advice he needs. Start looking beyond the President toward the people behind the scenes.

-- Posted by red dog on Tue, Aug 21, 2012, at 2:59 AM

I have been thinking about the two "Americans" President Obama had dispatched. Did those two have the right to claim to be a loyal citizen of the United States of America? Was the extreme sanction morally wrong? Was it legally wrong? Was it justified? Are these really extreme times? Do extreme situations call for extreme measures? Should we have detained them and brought them to justice through the courts? Could we have detained them without bloodshed? I don't know. Do you?

-- Posted by red dog on Tue, Aug 21, 2012, at 2:54 AM

OKR,

Do you think there is anyway we could get Oklahoma to secede from the Union of States?

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Aug 21, 2012, at 12:15 AM

Relax folks you too could be stuck in Oklahoma. I have mentioned Sally Kern, an Oklahoma State Representative, the next district over from my own. I drive through there frequently, always switching my air circulation system to closed as if I were driving by a huge cess pool. That atrocious person has been elected for four straight terms, huge majorities, by a bunch of atrocious people. HERE'S SALLY!

"Studies show that no society that has totally embraced homosexuality has lasted more than, you know, a few decades. So it's the death knell of this country. I honestly think it's the biggest threat our nation has, even more so than terrorism or Islam -- which I think is a big threat, okay? 'Cause what's happening now is they are going after, in schools, two-year olds...And this stuff is deadly, and it's spreading, and it will destroy our young people, it will destroy this nation!" After receiving attention for the remarks, Kern said "I said nothing that was not true" and refused to apologize.

Kern authored a bill, which passed the Oklahoma House of Representatives in March 2008, mandating that students who espouse Young Earth creationism still receive passing grades in Earth science classes.

On April 27, 2011, while debating in favor of SJR 15, a proposed constitutional amendment that would eliminate Affirmative Action in Oklahoma, Kern said: "We have a high percentage of blacks in prison, and that's tragic, but are they in prison just because they are black or because they don't want to study as hard in school? I've taught school, and I saw a lot of people of color who didn't study hard because they said the government would take care of them."

During the same debate, Kern also stated that "Women usually don't want to work as hard as a man... women tend to think a little bit more about their family, wanting to be at home more time, wanting to have a little more leisure time."

Count your lucky stars!

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Aug 20, 2012, at 11:39 PM

OMG! Swim in the nude! What is wrong with our press that causes them to flash on something that inconsequential, and what is wrong with us to lap it?

You're right UpseDaisy that one swims like a dead red herring, stinks too. Oh yes, and why else would it float to the top except that with an assist from (of course) the pool reporters? ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Aug 20, 2012, at 10:59 PM

Red DOG, you make a lot of sense with most of your Post's! Right on. You know i just heard on THE NEWS that the People of Missouri,would vote along Party Lines.So this Nut Akin is still in with the Conservatives of Mo.!I have NO idea what has happened to this State? There's too much Media for them to not get the word on these Republicans,there all NUTS! rr3 Whats your take on this Fool?

-- Posted by Jo on Mon, Aug 20, 2012, at 10:54 PM

upsedaisy

Lol...well, he is from Kansas...

'nuff said (lol)

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Aug 20, 2012, at 10:20 PM

Now that Rep. Yoder (R) of Kansas has admitted to skinny dipping in Israel while on a junket (Oh excuse me, FACT FINDING MISSION) with other Reps. including Ellmers (R) of NC, perhaps that will divert some of the heat on Aiken. Ellmers issued an apology to anyone in Israel who was offended by the incident, but insisted that she had a swimsuit on. Yoder was the only one to swim in the nude. She said, "Yoder is a dear friend, and I'm sure he was just overcome by fatigue and too much alcohol." Strange how it happened about a year ago and they brought it up today with apologies!

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Mon, Aug 20, 2012, at 9:04 PM

RD,

You hit it right on the head. Its the system that dilutes freedom...slowly, like a slow boiled frog.

The system is designed to appear democratic, but in the end it is easily fooled folks, flashy, professional advertising, and dollar vote that decide the results.

Fortunately, recent empirical history suggests that the People -- specifically a very large percentage of the masses, the 99%, -- decide what will be, ultimately. We have only to look to the French, Russian, and Chinese Revolutions to see the consequences of a People denied.

When folks get tired of watching there children go hungry, the dung tends to hit the fan pretty rapidly.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Aug 20, 2012, at 9:03 PM

I worry about our nation. I hope the majority of our people feel the same way and take the steps to correct what is wrong. Yes, I know. Utopia is only obtainable in the great hereafter.

-- Posted by red dog on Mon, Aug 20, 2012, at 8:29 PM

Just think OKR. The majority of the voters elected these people to represent them. Does this indicate the majority of the voters are of a like mind? Perhaps mindless would be more apt. Scary, isn't it?

-- Posted by red dog on Mon, Aug 20, 2012, at 8:26 PM

SD,

If they had done that to my kid I would sue the State, the County, and the school, and I would also file tort suits against each one of the administrators, separately.

I would have them and their attorneys in court so often that after awhile they would think its their home. Of course their attorneys wouldn't mind, they charge by the hour.

I often wonder if school administrators ever actually think before they speak.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Aug 20, 2012, at 5:10 PM

I somehow missed that one Smart Dog. LOL it is easy to miss one now, and then, there are so many of them.My son went to a PUBLIC high school, (class of 1985) where they were not allowed to have proms because dancing is the work of the devil. I think they have grudgingly allowed the kids there to go all "Foot Loose" some time within the last ten years, not sure just which year.

On a related subject Oklahoma was the last state in the union to give up six on six basketball because five on five for girls was unbecoming to the little ladies, and their physical frailty if they were allowed to indulge would cause them irrepairable harm.

On politics it is not just Inhofe, we lead the nation at electing clowns to Congress. Our other Senator Tom Coburn is just as full of irrational, and preposterous beliefs, including his statement that at a large public school in southeastern Oklahoma they had to post teachers to guard the girl's restrooms because the school was full of Godless Lesbians who would attack the chaste girls. My own Representative (not) in Congress, James Lankford is about as creepy as they come. Even worse is a state representative within spittin' distance of my house district named Sally Kern. Google her, you will have a hard time believing what you find on that crazy. She is nationally notorius. The worst part (back to your original point) is that she is a public school teacher.

I am blown away at how all this hate, and insanity not only flourishes, but is overwhelming rationality at every turn. The only thing that puzzles me more is why rr3 hasn't contacted me begging, and pleading to swap homes. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Aug 20, 2012, at 4:33 PM

Hey, OKR.

I thought we were a little backwards here in Missouri, then I read this about your current state of residence.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/...

Well, I guess now that I think about it, you do have Inhofe, the poster boy for unenlightenment.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Mon, Aug 20, 2012, at 3:03 PM

Where is Muskogee? I'm glad you asked Red Dog.

muskogee is in the air all over oklahoma

it was given to native americans

it was taken back from native americans

it was given to populists

it was taken back from populists

it is possessed by big oil some say by the devil

others say no matter it's all the same

though the minds of its people have been stolen

their hearts are strong and impervious to theft

it is where paranoia drifts from the eastern hills

gathers an evil wind and blows across the plains

It is where a bigot pulls a transgender atheist from fire

then assures her she will roast in hell

it is the epicenter of a nouveau sturm und drung

that now shakes the foundation of the nation

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Aug 20, 2012, at 11:30 AM

"Ohio GOP official: We shouldn't try to accommodate African-American voters"

The only way Republicans can win an election is by stealing it.

The bat-dung crazies are so pathetic...lol, lol, lol...

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/08/19/oh...

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/...

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Aug 20, 2012, at 2:42 AM

By the way OKR. I enjoyed the link and that prompted my reply and inane remarks. The link is pretty heavy. My mind is pretty light. Well, maybe not so pretty.

-- Posted by red dog on Mon, Aug 20, 2012, at 12:59 AM

Okies say the darndest things without saying a word. Makes me think of Muskogee (sic) I have been hearing Merle Haggard sing about it. Got it on one of my CD's in the car. Now I gotta ask. Where in the h... is Muskogee? I know it is somewhere in Oklahoma. Do the lyrics represent Oklahomans? They sound pretty good to me.

-- Posted by red dog on Mon, Aug 20, 2012, at 12:57 AM

This reminds me of rr3, and any one of several others...Point-Counterpoint. ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3t-DuN8t...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Aug 19, 2012, at 11:55 PM

Red Dog: "bythewayrr3iunderstandwhereyouarecomingfromandwhatyouaresayingkeeponkeepingondoyouknowhowharditistowritelikeeecummingsmaybeyoudo"

ROTFLMAO

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Aug 19, 2012, at 11:45 PM

So r, putting all the politics aside, how the heck are ya?

We missed your input mate. It helps us all to get the view from the loyal opposition to keep us all on track, and besides that it was getting kind of stale 'round this forum without your contributions.

I'm very happy that you are OK buddy.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Aug 19, 2012, at 11:30 PM

bythewayrr3iunderstandwhereyouarecomingfromandwhatyouaresayingkeeponkeepingondoyouknowhowharditistowritelikeeecummingsmaybeyoudo

-- Posted by red dog on Sun, Aug 19, 2012, at 10:28 PM

I apologize. I guess I did question extremes to the left and right. It seems I used improper phrasing to pose my earlier question. I do wonder how much of Mr. Reagan's "silent majority" would be termed "moderate" and would be of the type that understand compromise for the good of all.

-- Posted by red dog on Sun, Aug 19, 2012, at 10:23 PM

By the way. I don't recall talking about anything "extreme left". I am of the persuasion that most things should be done in moderation. Sometimes the most simple questions come from the most unexpected places. I am referring to Rodney King (deceased) and his profound question which was "why can't we all just get along?".

-- Posted by red dog on Sun, Aug 19, 2012, at 10:18 PM

Of the people. For the people. By the people. Isn't is up to us, the people, to define what this means? We go to the polls. Make choices. Elect PEOPLE to represent us. Then, we consider our job done. We stand back and let other PEOPLE do what they want. We empowered them. Not all are worthy. What do we do about it? Talk a lot and put up with it. After all, we gave them the job and we expect them to do it. We stand back and let them play Big Dog. Does this not make we the people traitors to the cause by not directing them and holding them accountable? Why do we have to wait two years or four years or six years and go through the process again and we, the people, continually stand back and expect something to change? There are choices to be made come November and a lot of them are not very palatable. How can we continue to try to vote for the least offensive, the best of the poor choices offered (bought with campaign dollars)? We have been enured to the ways big business controls us. Can this nation endure?

-- Posted by red dog on Sun, Aug 19, 2012, at 10:13 PM

red dog

Obama governs from the center right. The Republicans are extreme bat-dung crazy right.

Liberals have not been in power since Carter...1976 through 1980.

So what "extreme" policy of the left are you referring to? We have not had any of our policies even considered in over 32 years.

Our Nation is producing the fruits of the conservatives (economic depression and dictatorship) and has nothing what-so-ever to do with liberals.

We tried to warn folks about the direction we were headed but they quit listening to us in 1980.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Aug 19, 2012, at 9:00 PM

Politicians. Why do these people let their mouths write checks their butts can't possibly cash? Do they actually think they can "fool all the people all the time"?

-- Posted by red dog on Sun, Aug 19, 2012, at 7:41 PM

Is there any such thing as a "moderate" anymore? I do not enjoy going to the polls. Politics in the last few years have gotten too extreme on both sides of the aisle. Has the art of compromise been lost? I am sick and tired of the "my dog is bigger than your dog" crap. The attitudes of the population have not changed, only the so-called politicians. What is a real politician? Does he have the good of the people in his heart or what is good for the "party"? I have always considered myself somewhat a realist and I am scared about where our country is going.

-- Posted by red dog on Sun, Aug 19, 2012, at 7:27 PM

This Aiken fellow that wants to take McCaskill's place. He has altered somewhat my attitude about judging people by what they do, not what they say. I just read the link NA posted. Is he for real?? If I wasn't so lazy I would see if I could find out if he has done anything as crazy as his attitude. I have already decided (reluctantly) to vote for McCaskill now, so it won't do anything but trigger more disgust on my part about Aiken to see what he has done, not said. I ramble. Sorry.

-- Posted by red dog on Sun, Aug 19, 2012, at 6:52 PM

Perhaps it is time "We The People" set up nation wide "Hedge Schools" to teach critical reading, viewing, listening, and thinking. It appears to me that it is at the least, neglected by our public school systems, as well as private schools with a specific agenda.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedge_schoo...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Aug 19, 2012, at 6:30 PM

SD,

Ronald Reagan, his capitalist owners, and his Republican pals in Congress completely gutted the Department of Education. It was shocking. The Republicans repealed almost every regulation and left a powerless, empty shell where the Department of Education used to be.

The capitalists have no need for educated serfs, they just need serfs that will do as they are told and not complain.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Aug 19, 2012, at 5:09 PM

Funny, that a person who can't spell, punctuate, or use grammar making smart-alec comments about "liberal education."

Yep, I reckon it's true, apparently our American education system failed at least one.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Sun, Aug 19, 2012, at 4:41 PM

"GOP Senate nominee: Women don't get pregnant from 'legitimate' rapes"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/08/19/go...

Folks, if you elect this jerk, you definitely deserve what you get.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Aug 19, 2012, at 3:23 PM

Get rid of the Lobbyist,the Speech Writers,the Teleprompters,the entire structure of things! Put them out there on their own,maybe you will hear things you haven't heard before.You will never know the real Person if they are playing a part off a script! We would never have had a LOT OF THE FOOLS WE'VE HAD! This is not a Government for the People or by the People! It's like New has described! When you have the Majority & the Minority,lead by 2 or 3 People with Threats for their Colleague positions! Whats the difference between the Mafia and this Government,except for the splitting of the Throat and pulling the Tongue through the hole! Just not as violent but with the same results! How does this help the Nation? It's like Mafia Warfare! Their has to be compromise for the good of the People,or better yet a couple more Parties too choose from or Revolution! Hope it's not the latter

-- Posted by Jo on Sun, Aug 19, 2012, at 12:17 PM

r,

I agree, Obama is just as bad as the last Republican we had in the White House.

After all they serve the same masters -- the rich, fat-cats down over there on Wall Street.

Neither candidate of the 2 major parties has any real concerns for us, the People. Their real agendas do not include us. Those boys both sold out a long time ago.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Aug 19, 2012, at 7:43 AM

For those that want to whine about my writing style 'get over it'. Just like a lib not wanting to address facts but whine about something that don't matter. I can't help it if you can't read. Must be that liberal education you got. What matters is we have a choice in November. We can continue to support the decline of America or we can lift it up to a higher standard like we have in the past. Which do you stand for? Do you want a President that consistently lies, thumbs his nose at the constitution and will not stand up against the new lows that his campaign is supporting. The biggest problem for O from the R/R ticket is finding something in their past to destroy their character. They can't find it. We have total incompetence for the last 4 years and the libs want us to accept it as the new normal. Really! I don't think so the conservative majority has awakened and we can restore this country back to the great nation that it has and make it even better. You can believe all the lies if you want but I choose to believe this country has greater days ahead not more of what we have now.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sun, Aug 19, 2012, at 6:22 AM

Jo,

Democracy in America ended on December 12, 2000 -- the day the Republican Justices of the Supreme Court, in a split 5-4 decision, entirely on party line, in direct violation of the Constitution and in violation of their own precedent, stopped a state election and appointed Republican G.W. Bush to the office of President.

G.W. Bush then went on to transform the power of the Presidency into that of an absolute dictatorship.

Obama continued Bush's dictatorial policies, establishing dictatorship as a Presidential precedent and practice.

And yes I am very happy I was able to emigrate to a free country. I do love living in OZ -- and I especially like travelling to the interior, the Outback. Its an incredibly diverse and exciting place mate.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Aug 19, 2012, at 2:51 AM

If you think about it, all this Blatant lying and Deceiving started with Bush & Cheney! With the World Trade hit and the Homeland Security put in place it has made it easy for the Government too do and get away with all of this Deceiving of the American People starting with the lie about iraq! And one of our Traitors in the White House that outed our Agent in the C.I.A.! So tall me rr3,can you defend that, for the Republicans? I can't for the Democrats! This goes on and on! After this i can't believe anything about our Government.All i can't do is try and figure out who is the less likely too bring this Country down entirely,not just the Economy! Right now the lesser of two evils, with what we have to choose from ,is the Democrats in my Opinion! If you can't agree with what is known as fact,then maybe you have a Character flaw2?

-- Posted by Jo on Sat, Aug 18, 2012, at 8:20 PM

"The 14 Characteristics of Fascism"

http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/fasc...

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Aug 18, 2012, at 4:43 PM

"They Thought They Were Free:

The Germans, 1933-45"

http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chica...

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Aug 18, 2012, at 2:59 PM

red dog,

In democratic socialism there are no taxes -- no income tax, no property tax, no sales tax, ect.

As regards dictatorship, the USA is a fascist - dictatorship. That would make it a capitalist economy, not socialist.

And there is no doubt that when your government's chief executive has the absolute power over the life and death of every citizen, he can do whatever he wants -- including ordering the army to execute all his opposition or even cancelling the election completely and there is nothing legally we can do to stop it if he claims its a matter of national security. So says the Federal Court. The President claims to have that authority, and he has already had 2 Americans executed...and they didn't even have any warrants out for them. Yep, he has exercised that authority twice now.

Yes, you live in a fascist nation which most of the World's People seem to regard as the Evil Empire. Of course your empire is falling apart quickly, but I do believe the fascism is permanent.

Good luck with that mate.

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Aug 18, 2012, at 2:32 PM

rr3,

Paragraphs man.

Topic sentence, then supporting statements.

You may have a point, but who can read those rants and figure out what you are saying?

By the way, your republican masters are the ones that say democrats are communists, not the democrats.

I don't think anyone thinks corporate profits are obscene, unless they are acquired at the expense of my environment (fracking), or at the expense of the workers that have ever decreasing protection from predatory employers.

Then there is the regulation of financial markets. They destroy themselves without regulation, which has been proven several times in our history, yet neo-cons refuse to acknowledge that someone must regulate the capitalist system to keep it viable.

Look at helium production. A nice little synopsis of something that the government must do for businesses because no on in your beloved free market system wil take over because there is not enough profit to make the Dick Cheney's or T. Boone Pickens of the world happy.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Sat, Aug 18, 2012, at 10:52 AM

Nana Dot. You are a born researcher. I love the stuff you come up with. I did not intend to put you, or anyone (mostly) down. Especially you.

-- Posted by red dog on Sat, Aug 18, 2012, at 10:49 AM

This is kinda like talking about the weather isn't it? "Everyone talks a lot about it. No one does a thing about it. About what? The......"

-- Posted by red dog on Sat, Aug 18, 2012, at 9:20 AM

If trickle-down isn't working (and it isn't) how about trying trickle-up?

-- Posted by red dog on Sat, Aug 18, 2012, at 9:19 AM

News Across has a point about dictatorship, kinda. Is it true if your total taxation exceeds one third of your income, you are living in a socialistic State? I suspect our total taxation, hidden and patent, exceeds one third of the income.

-- Posted by red dog on Sat, Aug 18, 2012, at 7:49 AM

He said..............

She said.............

This means..............

This doesn't mean................

I see so much opinion based on what people, especially politicians, say. I learned a long time ago to judge people not on what they say, but what they do. Actions really do speak louder than words. I would really like to see blog opinions based on what people have done, not said.

-- Posted by red dog on Sat, Aug 18, 2012, at 5:47 AM

Let's take corporate profits. Libs thing they are obscene but they need them to even begin to pay for all the programs that they want. Does it matter what the people want? Not to libs it only matters what they want and they get the huddled masses to think they are doing it for them. Really! Amazing what people will believe if they think they will get a hand out. How about giving people a hand up so they can prosper and do for themselves. Oh wait that wouldn't work we couldn't be sure they would vote democrat. We have to keep them dependent on us so when those evil Republicans try to have them work and become independent we need to say they are taking away your welfare, they are starving the children, they will have grandma eating dog food, etc. Does that sound like the stuff you libs believe? Hook, line and sinker. Libs like people on welfare, food stamps, disability and any other program they can make to buy votes. Hey hope and change worked in 2008 didn't it? Many were disillusioned then but some have seen the light, the real purpose of a liberal dem so they will not vote for O this time around. They will attempt to destroy Romney and Ryan with lies, twisted truths and anything else they can think of. That's how O got elected to the senate. He didn't beat his opponents he eliminated them because of declamation of character and then the libs proclaim they stand for character. Ha!! During Clinton character didn't matter but if you oppose them it very much matters and they will sink as low as they need to so they can win and maintain control. These lib dems don't care about any one of you people just the vote then they can control the agenda and ruin this country. Kerry said that voters were dumb and they figure the dumb will vote democrat.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sat, Aug 18, 2012, at 5:47 AM

This nice lady lived next to a park and she saw this good Democratic couple walk in the park every evening. One evening they had their teenage daughter with them and when they walked by they struck up a conversation with her. The lady asked the young girl what she wanted to be when she grew up. She said she want to help the poor and the homeless and build houses, etc. The lady said well honey you could start helping right now if you want. If you will come over tomorrow and help me weed my flowers and my garden, I will give you $50 and you can give it to the poor and the homeless. The young lady thought about that for a minute then asked the lady why the poor and the homeless don't help her weed her flowers and garden. The nice lady said, "so now you are a Republican".

Don't worry some of you will never get it.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sat, Aug 18, 2012, at 5:43 AM

"Neo-Nazis, gangs and criminals in the US military"

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion...

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Aug 17, 2012, at 7:27 PM

"Attacks on US mosques prompt Muslim security concerns"

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/...

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Aug 17, 2012, at 6:18 PM

And please don't forget, corporations are people too my friends.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Aug 17, 2012, at 5:53 PM

Its amusing to see my fellow Americans pretending they live in a democracy lol.

Electing your dictator does not make it any less a dictatorship.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Aug 17, 2012, at 4:40 PM

outsider,

Vicky is most likely a fine person. My concern stems from the only source of information I have from her, which is the Democrat News blogs that she posts occassionally.

All I have seen from her postings are verbatum regurgitation of the GOP party line. She does not appear to have an original thought, and actually quotes Rush Limbaugh and the US Chamber of Commerce as credible sources.

It appears from my limited exposure that Ms. Hartzler went off to Washington where she was told what to think, say, and do. That is reflected in the many blog posts that have appeared with her name on them.

It's actually humorous, because you can copy and paste many of her paragraphs into google and get the exact thing from other neo-con websites. It appears that her staffers are heavily into the copy and paste method of spreading the conservative word.

I am looking for politicians with solutions, not a continuous stream of "blame Obama for your woes" which is simply partisian politics with no substance. I have not seen anythging else from her so far.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Fri, Aug 17, 2012, at 4:39 PM

I read that Mr. Romney claims to have paid not less than 13 per cent taxes for the last decade or so. His statement has made me wonder about "hidden" taxes. I don't know what rate of "hidden" taxes we pay these days. Could that be the 13 per cent he is talking about? If that is what he is referencing then he wouldn't be "exactly" lying now would he?

-- Posted by red dog on Fri, Aug 17, 2012, at 4:30 PM

MyOpin; huh? I think you attributed the wrong poster. :)

"I bet the right wingers are thankin' sweet Jesus you are back...lol.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Aug 16, 2012, at 7:15 PM"

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Aug 17, 2012, at 4:12 PM

OKR ~ speaking of rr3 "I bet the right wingers are thankin' sweet Jesus you are back...lol." AMEN!!!

Right wing or left wing it doesn't matter. Washington is a messed up place and we need to kick them all and and get some real businessmen/women in there! All they want is the title and the money. Most of them could care less what happens to America.

-- Posted by myopinionmp on Fri, Aug 17, 2012, at 3:09 PM

I don't disagree with what you say, Smart Dog. I just posted a reason why Hartzler hasn't felt the need to spend time around here. One could ask..has she sponsored or voted for any legislation that would have a negative impact on the area? If not, then it sounds like people are just upset that they haven't gotten their little hands shaken.

If a person has an interest in agriculture related issues, Hartzler would probably be fine as a representative. If someone is the kind of person who is more interested in sticking out their hand, palm upward, Cleaver is your guy.

-- Posted by outsider on Fri, Aug 17, 2012, at 2:07 PM

Hartzler won over Skelton due to the redistricting that occurred during the governorship of Matt Blunt.

Do the research. We have been redistricted for our federal congressmen twice in the last 10 or so years. First when the GOP took over the Missouri State legislature just a few years back. The Missouri congress redrew Skelton's district to include counties in west central Missouri, on the Kansas border, near Carthage, Harrisonville, etc. Hotbeds of Christian conservatism.

This plan was devised by the Republican National Committee in order to take control of the federal House of Representatives. It was done with the express purpose of defeating Ike Skelton. No other reason at all. And it worked, leading to the "do nothing" congress currently in Washington.

This second round of redistricting came as a result of the 2010 census which resulted in Missouri only being aloted 8 seats in the House of Representatives instead of 9. Population decline (or slower growth than the rest of the country) resulted in our loosing one representative, therefore lines had to be redrawn again.

Lafayett and Saline counties were lumped in with the urban Kansas City, Missouri area as we traditionally vote Democratic. The plan by the Republicans in Jeff City was to concede this district to Cleaver, but assuring that the other seven districts would be won by Republicans indefinitely.

Gerrymandering at it's finest, right here at home.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Fri, Aug 17, 2012, at 12:49 PM

Outsider those are factors, as are the others previously mentioned. In addition she is a lame duck, getting out of politics, and may have found early on that it wasn't quite her cup of Tea Party, hence lost interest. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Aug 17, 2012, at 12:34 PM

...and sharks do what they do.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, Aug 17, 2012, at 11:04 AM

Hey, any of you out there seen "Gasland?"

That'll wake you right up to the wonders of energy production in the good old USA.

Who knew that the 2005 Bush Administration Energy Policy had a thing called the "Halliburton Rule" that exempts one company, which our former vice-president just happened to be CEO of at the time of his election, from the Federal Clean Water Act and Clean Air Act.

So, Halliburton is free to pollute anything they want, with whatever they want, with absolutely no oversight from any environmental agency. Not kidding here, it's true.

It is actually quite chilling when you think about it. What keeps a company from using this as judicial precident? "Well, Halliburton can destroy folks land and water and kill off people without consequence, so why can't we?"

Also, when did it become acceptable in the USA to pass legislation that gives one company a government sponsored leg up on their competition? I guess in the new millenium, if you buy enough politicians, you get to be the king of your industry.

Then, of course, there's just the plain old fact that they are using known carcenogenic and toxic chemicals and dumping them wrecklessly as there are no rules they have to follow in the fracking adventure.

I'm all for technology, and definitely pro-business, but business has no conscience and requires regulation. If you don't understand that, then go back to school. At the core, businesses do what's best for business, what's best for profits, what captures more market share, or increases shareholder equity.

Nowhere in there is a golden rule that keeps businesses from rapeing and pillaging in the name of profit. That is the job of the regulatory agencies. Truely impartial economists will tell you that business without regulation will consume it's self. For example, the logging company will cut down every tree for profit, and then stand on barren ground wondering where all the trees went.

Oil companies will ravage the environment in order to get to ever more difficult to extract energy in the name of profit. That is why they exist and what they do.

To create the "Halliburton Rule" reeks of modern Republican politics and their attitude of "to heck with the people, as long as my profits increase."

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Fri, Aug 17, 2012, at 8:21 AM

Well, when Republican politicians get right up there on camera and say "These new voter ID laws will assure a victory for Mitt Romney in our state" then it's kind of hard to see them as anything but more political hijinks by the GOP.

Sorry, rr3, but your own politicians are quite open about their intentions regarding voter ID laws. They know it will disenfranchise the exact groups that traditionally vote democrat.

I don't think the lame stream liberal media that you are so afraid of has to do anything.

Your republican politicians can't wait to get on camera and brag about how they are helping to "defeat the evil monster."

It must be a sad existance indeed to live in that much fear of liberal politics, which by it's very nature, is a bunch of people that are trying not to hurt anyone and do what's best for the middle class and lower class folks.

Sheesh, man, do you ever watch anything but Fox News? Of course, even they have plenty of footage of governors and representatives in Florida, Pennsylvania, and Ohio bragging up the fact that they can deny the right to vote to liberal voters in specific districts. Were you sleeping during those segments on Fox?

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Fri, Aug 17, 2012, at 8:02 AM

Hey rr..

While they are at it, do you think your honest republican buddies can clean up the political frauds that bought Bush's election in Florida and the fruads in Ohio that rigged the results for his re-election? If they do that, I'll believe that they want voter ID for altruistic purposes.

Right now I think they want it for altruistic porpoises, as it sounds all wet to me.

-- Posted by Interested Too on Fri, Aug 17, 2012, at 12:29 AM

William Rivers Pitt fired up again. "Beneath The Bottom Of The Barrel"

http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/10933-...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Aug 17, 2012, at 12:03 AM

I say the same thing to you rr3! How they get away with a lie, is keep telling them! The facts are out there,(on both sides) Look them up, and face them! These two Clowns running,can you deep in your Heart(Honestly) say either one of the two, has any Character at all? I guess you could ask the same question about most Politicians.At some point, you have to make a personal call on Peoples Character.And so these two have a big O! Of course that's my opinion! This Country is DOOMED with out changing the way Washington does business!

-- Posted by Jo on Thu, Aug 16, 2012, at 10:10 PM

Hey r,

Where ya been?

I bet the right wingers are thankin' sweet Jesus you are back...lol.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Aug 16, 2012, at 7:15 PM

Either major party is a losing proposition. They both serve the same masters.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Aug 16, 2012, at 7:12 PM

Firstly, welcome back r. I was concerned that you had become extremely ill, but had eschewed medical care because it was Obamacare, and the law of the land, thus you wouldn't have anything to do with it, and just withered away. Then I thought no, he seems as healthy as a horse, maybe he has gone to Washington, and become part of a cabal intent on offing Chief Justice Roberts.

I am glad neither was the case. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Aug 16, 2012, at 7:03 PM

I have come to the conclusion that O picked B so he wouldn't have a running mate as smart as him. When you are scraping the bottom of the barrel then you don't have many choices. H would be too smart for O so she don't have a prayer. How low will the lib dems go in this campaign? The Republicans only have to stick to the facts, they don't have to lie or make stuff up. To libs the facts don't matter. The dems and the lib media has become quite a joke and there are still people buying into it but a lot of them are fleeing for the hills in record number. Why do you think dems are against having an id to vote when you have to have one for nearly everything else? They think most undocumented voters vote democrat that's why. Why are dems trying to stop any immigration enforcement? Because they figure they will vote democrat. Do you think that O's executive order was really for immigrants? No it was a cheap move to buy votes and these people don't know what will happen to them in a couple of years because it is not permanent. So what does it accomplish except more uncertainty. If the dems thought the Republicans were actually cheating to get votes don't you think we would need a picture id, fingerprints, blood test and maybe DNA before we could walk into a polling place. That would be before we went through the ridicule of the black panthers, OWC and the LBGT that would be staged in front of all polling places. So who intends to cheat here? Makes me wonder when they stand in the way of any law to legitimize our voting system. What are they hiding? Who has raided more then 700 Billion dollars from medicare in the last 4 years? It is amazing what people will be blinded to and believe when the facts are in front of them. If you have any moral character and really want to help people be independent how could you ever vote democrat?

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, Aug 16, 2012, at 5:57 PM

Is that a political or religous comment, WTF? :)

Hey, I like the new campaign slogan in honor of Paul Ryan.

"Save Medicare: Vote Democrat"

I suppose we could say the same for Social Security, as Mr. Ryan seeks to dump that also.

Was Paul Ryan asleep during all of 2007 thru 2009? He really thinks that private equity markets are the place to secure the livelihood of senior citizens who need both of those programs to avoid dying in the streets penniless?

Oh, wait, it will be my fault I am penniless even though I have paid into social security and medicare for 42 years and hope to have these sources of assistance here in not too many years.

Dopey me, I should have planned for the running dogs of wall street wrecking the economy, planned for the cost of college tuition for my kids to go through the roof, and planned for a bunch of rich folks brainwashing the American public into privatizing these programs.

Yep, vote Republican. Then we can all live in the street together in our old age.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Thu, Aug 16, 2012, at 4:24 PM

As to gentle ben's question sbout when will Israel step in.

The saddest state of affairs is that in the year 2012 were are still willing to do horrible things to each other because whe everything is stripped to it's core, supposed grown-ups still want to believe in Santa Clause. Sad indeed.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Thu, Aug 16, 2012, at 2:27 PM

Regarding the middle east powder keg I'm not sure when Israel will step in, or even if they will as there is some chance that cooler heads may prevail.

I am sure that there are a whole lot of folks praying every day that it be sooner, rather than later. I'm thinking of the "red calf" crowd, and those of a similar persuasion who itch to sit among the clouds, satisfied smiles on their faces, canary feathers in their mouths, thinking God told us it would start there.

If they should be right, I'm wondering if they will notice those guys next cloud over, also smiling, but with something other than feathers in their mouths, surrounded by virgins, no less smug, no less thankful to God.

Personally I think both groups must be schizophrenic to be hearing such messages, and that any God such folk could worship must be equally schizophrenic to capture their devotion, and if extant, reward such disparate behavior. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Aug 16, 2012, at 11:59 AM

I have a general question for all - If the clashes between Christians and Muslems continues to escalate - when and where will Israel step in?

-- Posted by gentle ben on Thu, Aug 16, 2012, at 10:16 AM

And do you have documentation or reliable sources that show criminal acts escalated when people started obtaining conceal/carry permits?

-- Posted by gentle ben on Thu, Aug 16, 2012, at 10:10 AM

News - Alright, I'll take the bait.

Why is it that when a non-Muslim shoots up a mosque it Christian Terrorism and when someone shoots up a conservative Christian-based organization like FRC it's just another common criminal act?

-- Posted by gentle ben on Thu, Aug 16, 2012, at 10:09 AM

Tea Party Republicans try to swift-boat Obama

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/48684754/ns/...

The Tea Party is desperate...and pathetic.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Aug 16, 2012, at 2:19 AM

"Judge: Former ACORN worker can sue James O'Keefe"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/08/15/ju...

http://www.courthousenews.com/2012/08/14...

Conservatives beware! Fraud has serious consequences...as young felon, Mr. O'Keefe, can tell you.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Aug 16, 2012, at 1:54 AM

Yeah, I like to examine sources.

Anyway, sounds like a common criminal act.

I bet it wasn't the only shooting in America today either.

Funny that, the way the liberals were right again when they predicted conceal/carry laws would lead to a sharp increase in these types of crazy criminal acts by folks lawfully carrying weapons.

Perhaps its time we stop taking our advice from conservatives, who's predictions have been consistently wrong and start taking our advice from the liberals who have a much better track-record of predicting human behavior.

Conceal/carry laws are killing Americans.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Aug 15, 2012, at 8:50 PM

By the way all three versions I presented slant it differently, but none of the three would reasonably lead one to believe that the shooter was another aspiring mass killer. We shall see what is forthcoming, but I for one am not in a position to rush to judgment based on what is now known.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Aug 15, 2012, at 7:08 PM

Here are three versions of the story NA, pick your poison. ;)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/15...

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washin...

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/08/15/gua...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Aug 15, 2012, at 7:03 PM

Yeah GB,

Let's see the link. I would like to have a look at that story, 'cause it sounds a little fishy to me.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Aug 15, 2012, at 5:05 PM

Well said WTF, you too gb. Actually there is a whole lot of great posts popping up at the moment. Has the heat honed our reasoning capacity? LOL

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Aug 15, 2012, at 4:42 PM

Another "domestic terrorist" nutcase ... But this time it's someone trying to shoot up the Family Research Center in D.C. I guess anyone who stands for something - whether it be left, right, whatever, can become a target. Sad state of affairs.

Be sure to check your favorite news source for this story.

-- Posted by gentle ben on Wed, Aug 15, 2012, at 1:51 PM

It calls into question the real genesis of 9/11 and how we had to perfectly drop the ball for that to happen and now 10 years later anytime something is introduced to fight terrorism we just wave the flag, rollover and take it. I'm sorry but it does make me wonder a lot about false flag situations.

During the blitz of ww2, the brits were bombed every single night for 76 days. "Keep Calm, Carry On" was their motto.

We get hit once and we fall to pieces. In my opinion we dishonor everyone of the 9-11 victims everyime we rollover for this nonsense. Somewhere someone is getting rich on our hysteria.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Aug 15, 2012, at 10:00 AM

Trapwire just goes to prove my suspicions. The best interests of the citizenry no longer dictate policy and procedure in our nation's capitol. The unanswerable question remains - What Have We Become?

-- Posted by gentle ben on Wed, Aug 15, 2012, at 9:33 AM

Lol...I mean TrapWire...lol...or what ever the rich are calling their latest toy designed to spy on the People.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Aug 15, 2012, at 5:52 AM

No matter what the rich do to us, including "Trap Door," one thing is for sure, it stops when We the People say it stops.

We are the real boss.

Its just a question of how long we want to take it.

But the end is certain.

"All You Fascists Bound To Lose"

Woody Guthrie

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwcKwGS7O...

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Aug 15, 2012, at 12:25 AM

As is becoming the usual America's media has been absent without leave concerning TrapWire. One belated cover up story in the NY Times, that's it.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Aug 14, 2012, at 11:30 PM

More on TrapWire. I implore you to read the links.

Especially this one: http://occupysavvy.com/2012/08/14/decons...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/aug...

http://www.businessinsider.com/trapwire-...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Aug 14, 2012, at 11:23 PM

TrapWire. Remember it because it will remember you.

As if the stuff of nightmares wasn't already abundant to the vigilant folks who cherish freedom, we now know of TrapWire, an ominous name for an even more ominous program.

And just what kind of security cameras did you think those little black globes in parks, and malls were? Gawd Almighty we are done!

http://www.businessinsider.com/trapwire-...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Aug 14, 2012, at 11:06 PM

News, its hard too keep up with all the Vote suppression going on! It's everywhere you look.Im not up on what should be taking place to counter this. Were is the White House & Holder? I think Obama should have some input about this! And Holder,were has he been all this time? I haven't seen that much from him, since Obama put him in office! Obama should at least have something to say. He better get some guts and start speaking up to the crooks! I really do think the People would respect him more! We need a Socialized Party and a leader with some intestinal fortitude

-- Posted by Jo on Tue, Aug 14, 2012, at 10:43 PM

"'Game of Thrones' author rips 'Republicans and Tea[Party]' for voter suppression"

"I would be remiss if I do not at least make passing mention of how depressed, disgusted, and, yes, angry I've become as I watch the ongoing attempts at voter suppression in Ohio, Pennsylvania, Florida, Iowa, and other states where Republicans and their Tea[Party] allies control key seats of power,"

"It is one thing to attempt to win elections,' he continued. 'But trying to do so by denying the most basic and important right of any American citizen to hundreds and thousands of people, on entirely spurious grounds... that goes beyond reprehensible. That is despicable."

(George R.R. Martin)

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/08/14/ga...

How much longer will we stand-by while neocons strip away our civil rights?

Its election time -- let's send Congress a message.

We need jobs, not teaparty oppression!!

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Aug 14, 2012, at 8:59 PM

GB,

Any country where the chief executive has the absolute authority to order the immediate execution of any and every other citizen in that nation, without trial and with no appeal, is neither free nor a democratic republic. Its a dictatorship. Electing our dictators does not make it a democracy.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Aug 14, 2012, at 5:46 PM

I agree Ben,Nixon has did a good Job with what the Feds has given the State's. We should get rid of Blunt. There should be NO Career Politician, in my Opinion! Term Limits on all!

-- Posted by Jo on Tue, Aug 14, 2012, at 4:06 PM

Nana - Isn't using a Hollywood blockbuster starring Nick Cage to back up your stance a lot like quoting Rush Limbaugh to make your point? I KNOW you can do better than that - you've proven it time and again and, frankly, I expect better from you. I think we all do. Now if you'll excuse me I think I'll crawl back into my cave and collect what few original thoughts I might still possess.

-- Posted by gentle ben on Tue, Aug 14, 2012, at 2:55 PM

And Jo - I will have to say as a non-card-carrying non-party affiliated US Citizen and Missourian I have been fairly pleased with our current Governor. Again - just my opinion.

-- Posted by gentle ben on Tue, Aug 14, 2012, at 2:46 PM

Obviously the true meaning of and intent of the UN Arms Treaty is up for debate based primarily on OPINION. That said - we still should not be giving away our sovreignty to any other nation or entity.

Then we also have the problem of Holder and his cronies selling arms to drug lords and busting US gun shops because they "might be" selling guns to drug dealers.

Mark my words - if Mr. Obama is re-elected and doesn't have to worry about campaigning the way he has for the past 5 or 6 years, the hammer will drop and many of the freedoms you and I now enjoy will go out the window - and then we'll have more to gripe about than just the Patriot Act - which should be removed from national policy as soon as possible.

It bothers me that the federales can do what they want to do when they want to do it and there is no longer any recourse for the citizenry.

-- Posted by gentle ben on Tue, Aug 14, 2012, at 2:44 PM

I think i would worry about the State Government taking the Guns,not the Federal! These Governors are getting real arrogant any more!

-- Posted by Jo on Tue, Aug 14, 2012, at 2:09 PM

I also understand that it was the first Bush administration that put our armed services commanders under the authority of the United Nations commanders during the first gulf war. As I have previously stated - it's not a Democrat/Republican or Conservative/Liberal issue. It's a power issue and the puppeteers just keep pulling the strings.

The Republic is at risk anytime you allow a foreign nation (or a group of foreign nations gathered under the umbrella of the UN) to dictate how we deal with our own citizens. That's one reason I don't believe the United States should be policing the world - trying to force our notion of right and wrong or our idea of Democracy on other nations. It's not our place.

Again - this is just my humble opinion.

-- Posted by gentle ben on Tue, Aug 14, 2012, at 9:15 AM

Thanks to everyone for the enlightnement on the current administration's care NOT to overturn the 2nd Amendment wagon. However, I believe this administration's support of the United Nation's Small Arms Treaty should make all gun owners cringe. Mrs. Clinton has already signed in support of the treaty, which I believe will give the UN the power to confiscate and destroy all "unauthorized" civilian firearms (while exempting those held and owned by the government). It could also create an international gun registry. One of my main concerns - other than someone trying to legally take my firearms away - is that the treaty may cause the United States to relinquish a great deal of sovereignty. We should not be allowing the UN to determine what is proper in our nation - and especially when it may well reach to the state level - preempting state regulatory powers that are guaranteed by the 10th Amendment - not to mention the 2nd Amendment.

Of course - this is all just my opinion.

-- Posted by gentle ben on Tue, Aug 14, 2012, at 8:35 AM

I HEARBY NOMINATE JO FOR WRITE-IN CANDIDATE FOR THE PRESIDENCY OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

He sure does make a whole lot more sense than those big-money, high brows running in the 2 big parties.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Aug 13, 2012, at 10:01 PM

Gentle ben; I have carried a weapon for years Legally! And did over exaggerate when making that Point,i have a habit of a lose lip a lot of times!Sorry! That's one thing that has not entered my mind, losing the right too carry my weapon! I made most of my living,Carrying! In this World you need all the rights you can get. In my mind that's all i see is, Conservatives trying too take over my social agenda and relieving the Government of its Responsibility to the People they work for & Pays their Wages, that they give themselves! I think Obama has done a hell of a job taking on all the Morons, that said from the beginning they would take him down! And they are doing it, by doing Nothing too help the Nation!Thats unAmerican and should be treated as such! Obama should do all the mandating he can,and spit in the Majorities face! Any vote over 51% would benifit this Country trimendesly.The Teabaggers are going too win with this kind of Governing.Change the entire System! Bored hearing it.We better believe it!!

-- Posted by Jo on Mon, Aug 13, 2012, at 8:52 PM

"Associated Press calls white supremacists a 'white rights group"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/08/13/as...

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Aug 13, 2012, at 7:14 PM

Interested Too

I can't see much significant difference between McCaskill and the Republicans.

Conservative Democrat = Conservative = same failed policies as those of the Republicans.

The problem in America is conservatism in both major parties.

The problem in America is conservatism.

The longer it takes folks to wake up to the problem, the worse things will get.

Mass poverty is growing by leaps and bounds, while the rich, fat cats get richer and fatter.

Sooner or later folks will get tired of being hungry and watching their children go hungry, and then they will put a stop to it.

So says the empirical evidence.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Aug 13, 2012, at 6:54 PM

Round one goes to McCaskill, as she gets the opponent she wanted. Now, we will have to see how long the 2 presidential candidates' coattails are, as I am pretty sure that most people will vote a straight ballot. In Missouri, it is generally conceded that the state will veer to the Republican side again in the Presidential race.

If that happens, Claire will go down.

-- Posted by Interested Too on Mon, Aug 13, 2012, at 3:05 PM

Once again I find it pretty amazing that folks run out to vote for these neo-conservatives like our Speaker of the House, Steve Tilley.

He's the genius that brought Rush Limbaugh, possibly the most polarizing figure in 50 years, to the Hall of Famous Missourians, remember?

Can't even bother to stick around and finish out the job he was elected to do by his constituients as there's big money to be made now that he has proven his willingness to put the Republican National Committee's agenda ahead of the needs of citizens of Missouri.

Perhaps his publicist told him to stuff all the money in his pockets he could while the likes of Koch and the RNC are holding it out there.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt-...

Mr. Tilley is our own little Missouri version of another conservative darling who couldn't be bothered to finish out her term as governor of Alaska, as it was far more important to get rich, than to do the work for which you were elected.

Sheesh.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Mon, Aug 13, 2012, at 2:27 PM

Oh yeah, gentle ben Jo is a guy. As a relatively new poster you wouldn't have known that. Good to see you posting. :)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Aug 13, 2012, at 12:55 PM

News I find it hilarious that what passes today for the Republican Party has the string of the tea bag wrapped as tightly as a noose around it's neck. Consequently it is unable to utter one word that resembles its traditional message, and is reduced to senseless garbling by the ever increasing constriction from the weight of being teabagged. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Aug 13, 2012, at 12:23 PM

gentleben enlighten me. Show me proof of one move that Obama has made during his nearly four years in office that has curtailed your right to bear arms in any way whatsoever. I will necessarily wait patiently for the results of your search for evidence. I think you are in for a long search. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Aug 13, 2012, at 12:08 PM

If our nation elects Romney/Ryan, at least Jo may be able to retain the right to keep and bear the firearm she is threatening to use on herself if they do get elected. Sort of a darned-if-you-do and darned-if-you-don't kind of situation, wouldn't you say?

-- Posted by gentle ben on Mon, Aug 13, 2012, at 8:17 AM

OKR,

Yeah I am OK buddy.

Thanks for asking.

I had a good laugh over Romney's pick for VP. I believe that, much like the McCain campaign of '08, we can actually point to a specific date and say, "yes, the day he chose his VP is the date at which he actually lost his bid for the WH."

Jo,

Hang in their buddy. Remember, only a small minority of insano teaparty morons will be voting for those losers.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Aug 12, 2012, at 11:11 PM

On your other point Jo don't even consider bustin' a cap to put yourself out of it, there are too few good folks as it is. Save your ammo for the revolution if those two bring their version of hell to America.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Aug 11, 2012, at 10:58 PM

Hey Jo, and all these years I have thought the unoccupied underwear that the wind blew around Marshall wound up on the court house lawn Doughboy's clenched fist or bayonet. Proof positive that one is never too old to learn something new I reckon. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Aug 11, 2012, at 10:47 PM

How devastating is it to think that Romney & Ryan could be in control of this Country! ****, it makes you want to put a Gun in you Mouth and pull the trigger! What do you guys think? I seen were the Morons stole the Statue at the Park?I don't remember how many times i had to remove Bras7 Panties from the old girl, when the MVC had a game there,an won!

-- Posted by Jo on Sat, Aug 11, 2012, at 10:24 PM

news across I hope all is well with you my friend.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Aug 11, 2012, at 6:01 PM

Jo,

You are absolutely right. We have to remove the profit incentive from government service.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Thu, Aug 9, 2012, at 7:55 AM

I don't get it how the People can live through what we have and then go right back too what destroyed us in the first place! It can't just be Money and lies,whats wrong with the people? Everyone has a say about whats happening, but NO speculation on what causing the people to keep putting themselves in this spot.Either with the Majorities they put in office along with a President! Its all to complicated for the average American and that the way all Politician want it! You have too be a Political Genius to get it right,and there's not many of them! I've tried to keep up,but i'm too slow,and they know the average Person is too! ! keep saying the entire System has to be redone but you never hear it from anyone, or any Media! You know it can't be done over nite but there has to be a starting point, don't there?

-- Posted by Jo on Wed, Aug 8, 2012, at 3:37 PM

How much ya wanna bet that a Romney Presidency would include a 9/11-type "surprise" terrorist attack, followed by martial law under his "benevolent" dictatorship...just until the end of the "War on Terrorism"?

I would say its a good bet.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Aug 7, 2012, at 6:58 PM

Great piece SD. Too bad that those (the majority) who spend their lives in mental masturbation won't read it, just as, they don't even know that they are working for The Corporate Pimp, and that the queasy feeling in their guts comes from too much being shoved in the place where things are supposed to come out. LOL(bitterly)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Aug 7, 2012, at 9:41 AM

Dead on ND!

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Aug 7, 2012, at 9:31 AM

Man, Missouri sure must be important to the nation as the GOP has got the throttle to the money machine wide open to defeat our Senator McCaskill.

From the New York Times:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/06/us/pol...

I really enjoy it when a bunch of outsiders that have nothing good to say about, or to do with our state, play their political games with our lives.

"Karl Rove's Crossroads GPS, David and Charles Koch's Americans For Prosperity, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and the 60 Plus Association have dumped as much as $15 million into the state since July 2011 to keep her on her heels."

All this just to be able to win a Senate majority and ride roughshod over the public with complete control of the federal government just like from 2000-2006. Anybody think that was a great time in the history of America?

Bankrupt government and economic collapse in 2007 as a result. Two wars, one of which was completely elective, just to say we could. Thousands of American lives lost in Iraq. Hundreds of thousands of lives of Iraqi citizens lost to collateral damage. Billions of dollars spent to destroy and then partially rebuild a nation just so we could brag about killing an ineffective dictator in Sadam Hussein in order to diffuse the criticism regarding the fact that we let Osama Bin Laden get away in Afghanistan.

Are you voters out there itchin' to bring that sort of thing back?

I agree with McCaskill when she says, "People will look back at Missouri and look back at the money that's been spent by outside forces and say this is an election that shows whether or not these anonymous masters of the universe can buy these elections," Ms. McCaskill said. "If it works in Missouri, then I think we're in for a rough ride in this country."

Heck, we're already in the middle of a rough ride. The GOP has made it clear that they will favor the "job creators," which in my opinion is just a palatible word for billionaire who really are the "economy wreckers," in tax policy by refusing to allow the increase of taxes on those who are currently not paying as much as middle class wage earners.

So who thinks that a return to Bush era policies of deregulation and 'Crony Capitalism,' promoted by Karl Rove, is going to make things better by the GOP once again conquering the federal government?

Not me.

Pay attention voters, even you die-hard supposed conservatives. It is a bad idea to let this happen regardless of your opinion of McCaskill.

If this happened in another country, let's say, and Karl Rove and his ilk were spreading bullets across Missouri instead of dollars, forcing voters to select a specific candidate, we'd be outraged, call it a coup, and denounce it a un-deomcratic and un-American.

However, if the same folks decieve voters with lies, heap piles of money into spreading those lies, assassinate the opponents character with inuendo and half-truth, then, well, here in the 21st century that's just good politics.

What a deal, eh? I think it's time to start acting like good parents and quit rewarding bad behavior by our spoiled, fit throwing, childlike politicians and their handlers and supporters.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Tue, Aug 7, 2012, at 9:09 AM

Yeah the article said a number of states are about to dare the Supreme Court to enforce its ruling. If I was a Governor in one of those states, I would be treading most carefully...lest the Governor find himself/herself up on charges of murder after the execution.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Aug 6, 2012, at 2:08 AM

Yeh News, and Oklahoma is trying to do the same thing...at the moment they are splitting hairs over how mentally disabled is the guy, which side of the line is he on. It is reminiscent of the Queen of Hearts from Lewis Carroll. LOL

Thanks for your take on the article at the link I offered. As always I appreciate your insight on economics. I agree with you. :)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Aug 5, 2012, at 11:05 PM

"Texas to execute mentally disabled prisoner on Tuesday"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/08/05/te...

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Aug 5, 2012, at 7:31 PM

Or more simply put.

Economic revolution is a comin' and a comin' right soon.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Aug 5, 2012, at 5:53 PM

OKR,

Some folks confuse "civilization" with "capitalism."

They are not the same at all.

Yes capitalism has failed. It had a definate end-point -- that point at which there was no longer enough consistent, ever increasing rate of consumption.

However, capitalism is not the only form of economic system man has used and that is available.

Feudalism didn't work.

Its child, capitalism, didn't work.

However, for 10's of thousands of years our ancestors practiced socialism and it seemed to work quite well for them.

Today we are able to utilize a scientific form of socialist economics that can easily function in both periods of increasing consumption and decreasing consumption.

There is no need to think our civilization is collapsing just because capitalism doesn't work. We can survive and continue to thrive, but we must stop chasing an illusion, scrap capitalism, and establish a vibrant, democratic form of economics, socialism.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Aug 5, 2012, at 5:50 PM

Thanks for the Ray Charles NA. :)

What is your take on the information at the link I just posted? What should one do to best survive the coming catastrophe? Banks, governments, and government guarantees gone, what to stockpile beyond bullets, barricades, bread, and bologna?

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Aug 5, 2012, at 5:33 PM

Is the world economy, which includes our own, in a death spiral? Is it but a giant pyramid scheme on the edge of falling apart? Maybe so, you be the judge. If you read the link, you can't say you weren't warned. http://moneymorning.com/ob/economist-ric...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Aug 5, 2012, at 5:25 PM

Thanks ND. :)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Aug 5, 2012, at 12:57 PM

ONE. 'The " war on drugs" is America's longest running war. It has cost taxpayers ONE TRILLION DOLLARS in the last forty years.'

TWO. 'It has turned our nation into "the most highly incarcerated society in history".'

Three. 'In 2011, a global commission on drug policy (whose members included Paul Volker George P. Schultz and former presidents of Brazil, Colombia, and Mexico) declared that "the global war on drugs has failed." Sixty seven percent of Americans agree. Antonin Scalia and Pat Robertson are now to the left of President Obama on pot.'

GO. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/05/books/...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Aug 5, 2012, at 12:42 PM

Well OKR, at least you still have your sense of humor mate.

This notes for you mate,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71AEfhsH6...

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Aug 4, 2012, at 8:36 PM

Thanks for asking News Across. Down, down, down into a burning ring of fire. It's all around us. It has mostly hit rural, and semi-rural areas of the metropolitan area. Of course also throughout the state.

We are Southern Baptist dominated. I guess they must have done something, AGAIN, to make their Big Guy angry. My how they struggle to stay on the right side of their Lord. Their ineptitude is amazing! ;)

Bear in mind that it isn't me that is saying all this hell on earth is God's will, it's them that says their Guy is in control. Since they talk to him regularly I wish they would just shoot him a straight question; what the hell are we doing wrong? Since they run the show here in Oklahoma; nothing happens without their support. I just wish they would get on a program that is right with their Big Guy. I'm sick of the mess they are causing. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Aug 4, 2012, at 12:25 PM

OKR,

I read about the state of emergency in Oklahoma mate.

How are you holding up?

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Aug 4, 2012, at 4:43 AM

ND

That is one of the best docos I have seen in a very long time.

Every American should see that video.

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Aug 4, 2012, at 4:40 AM

Saw that one a while back ND. It's good. Unfortunately those who need to see it the most never will.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Aug 4, 2012, at 1:00 AM

We share those ties Upsedaisy, chronologically, and topographically. I attended Prairie Ridge R#44, a one room school first through sixth grade. It was on the west side of Longwood Township. It was an interesting experience, generally poorly educated teachers, but by eavesdropping as the older kids were taught, I was able to learn at my own pace. I think I may have become very bored in a more age restricted learning situation.

Nana no one today would consider for even a moment, propounding such an audacious experiment. I believe though that it could be adapted to fit today's needs, thinking state sponsored organic/sustainable I am.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Aug 3, 2012, at 1:21 AM

OKR,

You stumble upon the most interesting articles. It was my era, family roots in the Longwood & Beaman communities, but it's news to me. Thank you for the link.

Grass fires in OK the latest problem? Hope you are "weathering" the usual OK weather.

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Thu, Aug 2, 2012, at 9:00 PM

Communism just south of the Saline/Pettis County line? You bet! A local experiment in collectivism of which few have heard.

In 1945 my family moved one mile south of the Saline County line into Pettis County. Scattered about the community were starkly plain nearly rectangular little frame houses that were uniform in appearance. As a little child I was told that they were "government houses". There are many still in place today. I "road tripped" the area a couple of years ago, there they stood.

Over the years I learned more of the story. I stumbled on to this link tonight. I think it is the best consolidation of the facts concerning this unique experiment in collectivism by our federal government, that occurred just down the road from Marshall. I think it is a fascinating story. See what you think. http://www.dnr.mo.gov/shpo/nps-nr/910014...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Aug 2, 2012, at 2:00 AM

"Rebels 'execute' regime loyalists in Aleppo:

Video from Syria appears to show men accused of being shabiha lined up and shot at point blank range."

http://www.aljazeera.com/video/middleeas...

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Aug 1, 2012, at 2:46 PM

"Pepper Spray Cop' loses his job"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/08/01/pe...

I believe he is but the first of many cops all around the nation who will soon be unemployed private citizens.

We the People will not tolerate police officers who practice NAZIism.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Aug 1, 2012, at 2:27 PM


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