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    Who will hold the government accountable to even a Supreme Court ruling? They evidently aren't accountable to the constitution. Will tyranny prevail? or Will the law prevail?

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sun, Apr 1, 2012, at 7:42 AM

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sun, Apr 1, 2012, at 7:43 AM
  • Our Government has went over the line in every aspect of Governing this Country! WE ARE NOT THE BOSS ANYMORE! Neither is the President! With out an all out Civil unrest against these people nothing will change! Some are doing what they can, but they can't do it alone! Civil & Nice has not worked with these Screw balls? Both Democrats and Republicans!

    -- Posted by Jo on Mon, Apr 2, 2012, at 10:02 PM
  • Hey News:These lying Politicians has got me, i'm frustrated, I have to stay out of it for a while, and try to see the reasoning for the way the Electorate acts! And it gets too me! People will cut the Nose off their face! ( with a broken Bottle) for little encouragement from these fools! Can"t see when there being took,and what to do about it! Its disgusting! Its not the supposed Leaders,its the disgusting People that puts them there! Before i Vote again,i'm going to know everything there is to know about all the Jerks from the Day they stuck their head out!This Country is not what i remember! They wouldn't put up with it! Genetics i guess?

    -- Posted by Jo on Tue, Apr 3, 2012, at 3:28 PM
  • I do remember some of the Statements made by that nut!Thanks for bringing it back. You think back at Bush, State of the Union Address there was NO remarks from the Audience,like this one Clown did to Obama! That's when Obama should have demanded some respect! I guess i'm expecting some action when things like that happens! That's when Dueling should be brought back! I think that would stop it, or a punch in the Mouth! They would think when they show this kind of disrespect to one another! Thanks News!

    -- Posted by Jo on Wed, Apr 4, 2012, at 4:58 PM
  • Obama is appealing directly to the dumbest Americans saying the Republicans budget will poison the water and the air and the food and even screw up weather forecast!!! Huh When have you followed a weather forecast that was accurate past a few days? This is the Democrat base though. Not a single thing he can point to that he has done that he can say to the people they want more of. Unless it would be food stamps or unemployment or put more money into bankrupt solar energy. This would be funny if it wasn't the president of the United States. He's appealing to his base though because he is desperate for votes because they see the writing on the wall. We could run a chimpanzee against this guy and he would win in a landslide because the smart people would vote for the chimp. This is crazy Obama is saying this about a budget that is less then a trillion dollars less then his budget, this Republican budget don't balance until what 2040? I don't think the country will last that long as we know it. Europe is coming to America, but we want to be exactly like them, so we will be. I don't think there is a current budget being proposed in Washington by anybody that is going to help this country we are heading for bankruptcy in fact I think we are already there everything else has to catch up.

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Apr 4, 2012, at 5:48 PM
  • Thanks Nana, you made my day! Carlin & Maher are strait up! Common sense at its best. My kind of People. Sorry we lost Carlin!

    -- Posted by Jo on Thu, Apr 5, 2012, at 1:23 PM
  • Then it would be legal!!!!

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Mon, Apr 9, 2012, at 11:42 AM
  • -- Posted by What the f...... on Mon, Apr 9, 2012, at 2:23 PM
  • ND, NA, it is my opinion that Ms. Hartzler has a medical problem. I think this because she remains a birther despite a preponderance of evidence to the contrary, and absolutely no evidence supporting that dead horse. Further evidence is that only an insane person would equate same sex marriage with incest, and allowing three year olds to drive. As she made those statements which are patently wrong, and beyond illogical, the only rational conclusion I am able to make is that she is not in full possession of her faculties. Poor thing, I think she needs a good long rest.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Apr 10, 2012, at 10:34 PM
  • Hartzler know's exactly what she is saying because she know's exactly who she is talking to. Crazy like a fox.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Apr 11, 2012, at 9:18 AM
  • Things are so much more sophisticated these days News. After fifty years of conditioning by an increasingly subtle, and ever more psychologically powerful advertising we are a crowd of Zombies doing a shuffle dance on command at the appropriate visual, and audio cue. They have snatched our minds, leaving our bodies dancing whichever way they care to pull the strings.

    I don't think that they will have to snatch bodies in the old heavy handed way of the Third Reich; that is unless the Populis becomes bored with insufficient violence to minorities in the sporting world. At that point they may roll out mass murder of minorities to hold our jaded attention for forthcoming brainwashing "commercials". ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Apr 12, 2012, at 12:06 AM
  • Does that last post of mine fit the category of dark humor, or sick humor, or something else?

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Apr 12, 2012, at 12:11 AM
  • Don't forget all the liberal wars. Like the war on women and the war on the rich. Oh yeh the war on contraceptives. Let's not forget these are only wars for distraction from there dismal failures.

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Mon, Apr 16, 2012, at 5:56 AM
  • rr3yvo,

    Liberal war on women and contraceptives? Could you be more specific.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Mon, Apr 16, 2012, at 6:34 AM
  • i say let'em have it (the pols, i mean) ... thinking about getting back to my hippying - tree hugging - anti-warring - love, peace, and rock-n-rolling - poetry writing - guitar picking ways and dropping out of this crazy rat race ... anyone have any ideas of where and how that might be accomplished? ... blue jeans and sandals here i come ... say - do they still make waffle stompers with tire tread soles???? far out man ...(singing/humming) where have all the flowers gone ...

    -- Posted by zeke on Mon, Apr 16, 2012, at 3:16 PM
  • na - you obviously have no idea what you are talking about ... no stereotypes here - i was actually talking about my own younger days and no one elses ... sorry to burst your "i know more than anyone" bubble - but you really missed the target on that jab ... have a great evening - mate ...

    -- Posted by zeke on Mon, Apr 16, 2012, at 4:06 PM
  • consider yourself spared -

    -- Posted by zeke on Mon, Apr 16, 2012, at 4:19 PM
  • What is the real war on women called?


    What political party really gets behind this and makes it a political issue?

    Liberals you know who you are!

    What political party are liberals generally associated with?


    That's all for tonight class.

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Mon, Apr 16, 2012, at 10:54 PM
  • nana - i was serious when i posted that comment about getting back to the older, simpler ways - don't know why it caused so much controversy ...

    -- Posted by zeke on Tue, Apr 17, 2012, at 9:36 AM
  • Peace. :)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Apr 17, 2012, at 11:02 AM
  • in the immortal words of the bellamy brothers ... he's an old hippy, and he don't know what to do ... should he hang on to the old - should he grab on to the new .. he's an old hippy ... his new life is just a bust - he ain't tryin to hurt nobody ... he's just tryin real hard to adjust ...

    -- Posted by zeke on Tue, Apr 17, 2012, at 11:24 AM
  • nana - and i know this isn't the religion speak out ... but i believe it's possible that jesus was a hippy ... so to speak ... he talked about peace a lot, anyway ... and put forth many of the same ideologies present at the height of the movement in the 60s ... i'm sure some will disagree, but that's what's great about this country ... we can disagree ... just sayin'

    -- Posted by zeke on Tue, Apr 17, 2012, at 11:49 AM
  • Obama fighting his war on big oil today as Romney rises in the polls. Obama has awoke the conservative majority in this country. The liberal minority will be kicked to the curb in November. Even some of the liberal folks are waking to the fact that they don't care about you or me just your vote if they can dupe you enough to vote for them. Obama and liberals own words will spell defeat. It won't matter who runs against Obama because the majority will be voting against Obama that will be the main reason to vote. People that have never voted before will vote in November. So if you want to be duped listen to the liberal media they will tell you all of the lies that you want to hear.

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Tue, Apr 17, 2012, at 9:18 PM
  • George Washington, Thomas, Jefferson,James Madison,James Monroe, Andrew Jackson, Zachary Taylor, Franklin Pierce, all purportedly pot smokers, also Ben Franklin. Pierce is quoted as saying "smoking cannabis was the only positive thing about the Mexican War".

    Then there is the modern group of druggies. JFK, Nixon, Dan Quayle, Bill Clinton, Al Gore, George W. Bush, John Kerry, Obama.

    And that doesn't count all the Presidents, and President's wives who used laudanum, and other addictive patent medicines throughout history.

    Our hypocritical drug policies must come to an end. They won't when we keep electing people like our current Hypocrite in Chief Barak Obama. He knows first hand that marijuana is not the bogey man portrayed by our capitalistic War on Drugs, yet is so craven that he will not even allow sick people to use it medicinally, even when the laws of a state say it is legal. He is disgusting, cowardly, and the biggest disappointment of any President I have voted for, which goes back to JFK.

    George Will is right, Milton Friedman is right, along with many other solid conservatives, end the drug war now. http://www.rinf.com/alt-news/politics/hi...

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Apr 17, 2012, at 9:27 PM
  • Try this link, the one below is bad.http://www.rinf.com/alt-news/politics/history-of-presidential-drug-alcohol-abuse/2082/

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Apr 17, 2012, at 9:35 PM
  • Well I suppose I am beeing harassed by Harry Anslinger's ghost. He never wanted the truth about drugs to get out. One more time.


    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Apr 17, 2012, at 9:47 PM
  • rr3yvo,

    If you have more than one channel (FOX) on your TV, check out the Young Turks on Current TV.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Apr 18, 2012, at 6:28 AM
  • Current TV really!!!! I have wondered who in the world would watch that channel. Now I know.

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Apr 18, 2012, at 10:43 AM
  • Check it out. You might learn something,

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Apr 18, 2012, at 11:17 AM
  • Good stuff News...ND tomatoes are fine, putting peppers in this weekend, lettuce is about ready, and have had a few onions. Not sure what else I will put in other than beans, okra.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Apr 18, 2012, at 4:21 PM
  • Good piece on The failed Drug War(Zogby poll,75% of Americans believe it has failed). What a shame that we must go to Al Jazeera for inclusive reporting. Thanks News.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Apr 18, 2012, at 7:47 PM
  • New it ought to tell you that no one want to listen to the liberal Democrats. Why does conservative talk radio dominate? You could have your own show but the audience is so limited I guess you are stuck to the MDN speak out column. Frustrating isn't it to be in the minority.

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Apr 18, 2012, at 11:14 PM
  • That was when he was a liberal.

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Apr 18, 2012, at 11:30 PM
  • Democrats play defense in U.S. Senate races


    Conservatives will win in landslide victory in November. Conservative majority will reign.

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Apr 18, 2012, at 11:58 PM
  • rr3yvo said:

    "Why does conservative talk radio dominate?"

    What, do you think this is some sort of grand proclamation about the listening audience being mostly conservative? Wrong. It's about the airwaves being owned by a select few content providers. What they give us is mostly conservative programming in a concerted effort to further bolster thier own greedy aspirations. Congrats, rr3yvo, you have fallen for thier B.S. just like that of the bible. Have you ever once in your life thought for yourself?

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Thu, Apr 19, 2012, at 5:03 AM
  • Yeh wtf thats why businesses spend the big bucks to advertise on their shows. Its not to reach a small audience but to reach a large audience. Liberal talk=small; conservative talk=big. Big is better.

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, Apr 19, 2012, at 6:07 AM
  • rr3yvo,

    Be careful what you wish for, that theocrat may have a different religion than you do.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Thu, Apr 19, 2012, at 9:00 AM
  • News back at you: The Derek Trucks Band from "Joyful Noise", the aptly titled "So Close, So Far Away" ;) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TS7jH_Nyhc

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Apr 19, 2012, at 8:05 PM
  • Ahhh my main man Coltrane! Thanks News.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Apr 19, 2012, at 10:17 PM
  • Am now CPp. :)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Apr 19, 2012, at 10:29 PM
  • Your ongoing Obama green energy disaster of the day: Fisker Automotive

    The death watch begins.


    Was there any doubt that this whole stimulus debacle would be a complete and total failure. Just like this president.

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, Apr 19, 2012, at 11:25 PM
  • Did you know class that gun control laws began with the Democrats. It was to keep blacks from owning guns. It allowed the Democratic policy of slavery to proceed and then after the civil war it allowed the Democratic KKK to menace and murder blacks with little resistance. The KKK is to Democrats what the ACLU is today. Because of the Democrats we had to fight the Civil War. Then after the war the Democrats passed legislation that denied 'blacks' citizenship. Then we had a Christian minister in 1956 had his house firebombed, Dr. King. Remember him. He applied for a gun permit to protect his family and was denied as unsuitable. Later he won the Nobel Peace Prize. It is easy to oppress people when they cannot defend themselves. Liberals want us to be unarmed, physically and mentally, they don't want the truth to get out because we may decide that we don't need them anymore. Folks the conservative majority will win in November and we can kick the liberal minority to the curb.

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, Apr 19, 2012, at 11:52 PM
  • rr3yvo,

    Ok, I'll bite. Who is coming for your guns?

    Obama? The guy who signed the law that said you can now take a loaded weapon into national parks for personal protection? Is he the NRA's latest election year boogeyman? Of course he is. The NRA will sell a lot of new membership's and manufacturers will sell and absurd amount of guns and ammo because of people like you. I'm curious, do you not understand what is going on or do you refuse to care about about it?

    I'll ask you again, do you possess the ability to generate even one thought for yourself or do you rely soley on FOX news and the bible?

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, Apr 20, 2012, at 5:56 AM
  • Nice woof Smart Dog! That one should make the "conservative" canines in the neighborhood howl, but then maybe they will just stay curled up in their crates licking the same old things they always do, as always unaware of the stink. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Apr 20, 2012, at 3:48 PM
  • "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

    "well regulated militia being necessary"..."the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

    Read as a whole, and not conveniently extracted, it does not say you can load up on guns, unless you are part of a well regulated militia. Further, "bearing arms" is stretched a long way when you take it to mean packing nuclear weapons, or bombs, missiles, etc. Why not extend it to anthrax, and such by that standard?

    News it is not like you to be so imprecise. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Apr 20, 2012, at 7:15 PM
  • Oklahoma,

    A well regulated militia in the colonial days consisted of citizens of this great nation such as farmers,slaves,businessmen,and so on, These militia were not issued weapons by the federal govt. to fight with. These citizens used whatever "number" of weapons they personally owned. I am sure their were a number of individuals during this era that owned or possessed more than one or two weapons.

    The right to bear arms means your right to bear as many arms as you feel necessary to protect you and your loved ones. If you do not feel like you need to own firearms then that is your choice. But just know when when it comes time to defend your family and property, you will wish you had them!!

    -- Posted by devildog92 on Fri, Apr 20, 2012, at 9:30 PM
  • Now you guys really have me scared. I am of this moment on the search for some incredibly lethal contact poison that I can smear on my front door knob. Someone else can remove it from their cold dead hands. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Apr 20, 2012, at 11:43 PM
  • A lot of good ideas as to macho methods of self protection. I don't know...they somehow don't fit my persona. I think I will just cultivate a different sort of paranoia within myself...maybe one that can be soothed by just at all times wearing an aluminum foil pyramid on my head. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Apr 21, 2012, at 12:25 AM
  • Oh I know Nana, I am just enraptured by the absurd tonight. :)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Apr 21, 2012, at 1:01 AM
  • Re: Last Word, Zimmerman/Martin, Primarily about guns, not race. Not very far off subject ND, in fact not at all IMHO.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Apr 21, 2012, at 1:08 AM
  • The party of the Right may as well strike up their band now. Barak Obama will not become a second term President. However, the first thing they should do as their party begins, is to raise their glasses, and toast the liberal left civil libertarians, and African American voters who will be the ones who make their dreams come true. Morally honest social progressives will not be able to vote for Obama, who in their eyes is the President who more than any other, has disappointed his core voters. He has run roughshod over civil liberties, more so than the disgraced George W. Bush. He has done nothing special to help the African American community. Unemployment among young blacks is at a historic high, and he has not specifically addressed the problem.

    It is a vain, and foolhardy misjudgement by him to think that those two entities, African Americans, and the left will stay with him, because their is no place else for them to go. He is forgetting that they don't have to go anywhere, they can just stay home, and they will. http://www.alternet.org/story/155045/how_obama_became_a_civil_libertarian%27s_ni...

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Apr 22, 2012, at 1:16 AM
  • Okr I have been trying to tell you this from the beginning. After 3 years you are finally getting it. It's funny how the article in a weak attempt is still blaming Bush for what Obama has done. When will anyone in the liberal media hold this guy accountable. If he expanded on policies then they are his now. What Bush done is done good or bad. What is done today is Obama good or bad. The sad part about it is that nearly 100% of it has been bad.

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sun, Apr 22, 2012, at 6:15 AM
  • -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sun, Apr 22, 2012, at 7:26 AM
  • rr3yvo,

    When you hold Bush accountable then we'll hold others accountable. What do your christian sensibilites say about lying us into an illegal war for fun and profit? Thousands of lives lost.They were not lost defending our freedoms they were defending and increasing profits for the 1%. The day you awknowledge this and demand that Bush/Cheney be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law then I would be happy to discuss Obama's shortcomings with you. Unitil that day any comments you offer on the subject are rendered completely moot.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Sun, Apr 22, 2012, at 9:34 AM
  • rr3 I have been an Obama critic for a long time. All you have to do to verify that is go back, and review my comments from about 2009 forward. True, I initially supported him, as I felt obligated to give him a chance. He fell about fourth, or fifth in my ranking of the primary candidates.

    By the way in the last Democratic primary I was a John Edwards supporter, as I thought he was the closest thing to a Populist that had a chance of winning. Despite his personal perversions I still think he would have been a good President.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Apr 22, 2012, at 11:33 AM
  • And so it goes.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Apr 23, 2012, at 12:16 AM
  • Earth Day 2012: The Day the Tide Turned


    The biggest green supporter shutting down 'Planet Green'. The Discovery Channel is amusing to watch but this one must have been really boring.

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Mon, Apr 23, 2012, at 6:52 AM
  • rr3: "What Bush done is done good or bad." True rr3, but in all these years you have yet to say whether it was good, or bad. Have you got the guts to say which you think is the case? I doubt it. Shock me with a direct answer ole buddy. :)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Apr 23, 2012, at 11:47 AM
  • True rr3, but in all these years you have yet to say whether it was good, or bad.

    Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Apr 23, 2012, at 11:47 AM

    I don't know what 'IT' is????????? Is this a 'whole' or a certain 'piece'? Compared to what? Obama? Huh that's like having an easy button.

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Mon, Apr 23, 2012, at 3:06 PM
  • What about 'accountability' and 'personal responsibility' for who is in charge? Hmmmmmmmmmm never thought of that did ya. Hah!

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Mon, Apr 23, 2012, at 3:08 PM
  • Who knows what lurks in the heart of rr3?...The Shadow knows....hahahahaha.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Apr 23, 2012, at 6:20 PM
  • What Do Solyndra, Mexican Drug Cartels, And Enron Have In Common?

    All three received subsidies from the Export-Import Bank.

    If Obama wants to shut something down this should be one.

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Tue, Apr 24, 2012, at 6:08 AM
  • Thank you News you seem to be the only one that sees that logic. It really doesn't matter what I think of Bush. If the media would have treated Bush like they have treated Obama well the opinion of him would be different to say the least. The economy was always terrible under Bush even when it was good. Now under Obama the economy has been terrible but what do we hear everyday? The economy is recovering slowly, it was much worse then we thought, when it is not recovering even slowly and it is much worse but has gotten that way under Obama.

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Tue, Apr 24, 2012, at 6:15 AM
  • rr3yvo,

    Have you not prayed for the economy? That should do it right? So what are you waitin' for.

    Get prayin'

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Tue, Apr 24, 2012, at 8:53 AM
  • I will continue to pray for you wtf.

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Tue, Apr 24, 2012, at 12:05 PM
  • Don't pray for me I'm fine. Pray for the economy!

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Tue, Apr 24, 2012, at 1:55 PM
  • Granted wtf the economy is bad but it is an easy fix not requiring prayer. The economy will fix itself if we get Obama out of the way. I like to pray for things only God can fix.

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Tue, Apr 24, 2012, at 2:51 PM
  • rr3yvo,

    Ok, then what things has god "fixed" to date?

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Tue, Apr 24, 2012, at 5:34 PM
  • rr3: "The economy will fix itself if we get Obama out of the way." That is patent naivete rr3. You are smarter than that, thus I must assume you jest. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Apr 24, 2012, at 7:34 PM
  • What Is "Fair"?


    Why is it so repulsive to progressives and "liberals" that I want to provide for my own family instead of the state? If more of us worried about taking care of our own situations and quit looking at others with greed, envy, or guilt, we all would see that there is no rational to who gets born when or where. The best thing our society can do is provide liberty in personal choices and economic freedom to all.

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Apr 25, 2012, at 11:00 AM
  • Suppressing free speech?

    Are you ready for this?


    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Apr 25, 2012, at 5:24 PM
  • well rr3yvo,

    What has god fixed?

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Apr 25, 2012, at 6:12 PM
  • rr3: "Why is it so repulsive to progressives and "liberals" that I want to provide for my own family instead of the state? If more of us worried about taking care of our own situations and quit looking at others with greed, envy, or guilt..."

    rr3 you don't reckon that it would have anything to do with the fact that a whole lot of hard working American families don't make enough to provide for their families? Oh yea, and it is assinine to think that they don't worry about taking care of their own. What kind of nonsense is tracking its way through your head? You think that they come home from work worn out, the kids say Daddy my fees are due, or I need a book for school, and pay day is a week away, that all they think about is gee, why doesn't the state help me out. I have been in that situation a time, or two, and it did not once cross my mind that it was not my responsibility, but the state's. No, what I thought, and felt was frustrated, and guilty, even though I was bustin my arse every day. There are a hell of a lot of people in that circumstance all the time, more than ever before.

    Some times you repulse me because of your callous ignorance. If I was a prayin man, rr3 I would pray for you first, and most, because you need it more than about anyone I know! Good grief man wake up, and smell the coffee!

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Apr 25, 2012, at 6:15 PM
  • Nope News, I don't think the presidential elections make a significant difference these days. Further, I do not think that until a real people's champion comes to the fore that they will be meaningful.

    The problem is that we the people are not yet ready for that champion. I think that the masses could not yet recognize a champion for what she/he is even if such a person was boldly proclaiming our real cause right in front of our eyes, and ears. I am hopeful that such a time will come. We are not yet needy enough, nor desperate enough, to cast off deeply ingrained habits. Our political education will not be complete until a majority have matriculated from the school of hard knocks. Then, perhaps.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Apr 25, 2012, at 10:22 PM
  • Not back tracking, instead further considering, I do believe our continuing societal devolution would be slower under Obama than under the banner of the full blown fascist party. The SCOTUS would likely vote fascist even more often, by a greater majority, if Mitt Romney becomes President, and his controllers select nominees.

    Whether slower decline of our Nation is better in the long haul is a separate debate topic.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Apr 25, 2012, at 10:40 PM
  • We Owe Our Souls To The Company Store

    Time was when a whole lot of hard working folks scratched for a livin in a feudalistic system right here in America. I am talking about coal miners, and others that lived in a company owned town, in company owned housing for which they paid rent to The Company. The Company also owned the only store, and folks exclusively filled their needs there, buying on credit. It was a trap that kept them from ever getting out of their burden of debt to The Company. Prices were exorbitant for the shacks they lived in, and the goods at the store were similarly priced. Sometimes there was even a little old short loan business set up by the Lords for the workers, just to get em by until pay day mind you. Problem was that interest rates were so high that once in the laborers never got out. They truly did owe their souls (if you take that to mean their free will) to The Company Store.

    One thing about the Master Class, you can always count on them to expand a good thing to its absolute limit. Darned if they ain't gone, and done it with this devious scheme. Greed knows no bounds unless we the people say enough, and we can't say "enough" if we are in to deep to have the guts, and more importantly, the where with all to do it.

    What they did was set up Easy Credit for every one, and boy did we indulge. In our own petty greed, carefully coached to an all in frenzy by the Master Class, it wasn't long before twenty cents of every dollar we made went directly to them to cover their "risk". They skim us all the way to the bottom of the human pile with special pay day loan places that charge interest rates as usurious as any in the history of civilization. They limit us more, and more, of any chance to discharge these debts through bankruptcy, no matter the calamity that curtailed the ability of we poor saps to discharge such debt.

    Some of us opened our eyes before we were in too deep (my household included), and delayed purchases until the credit cards were paid off, and we once again were able to spend all of each earned dollar on what we chose without a double tithe to the Master Class; this despite their dire warnings that our credit rating would be ruined which would leave us without a safety net. That too was more of their brainwashing bull. Our credit rating is well over 800, and even went up a bit after we got rid of credit cards. I believe it likely that others have had the same experience.

    Now here we sit, a nation of people mired in debt for everything that we have been compelled to buy, including the cost of education, and medical care which should be available at no financial cost in a nation that has any concern for its long range success, and the welfare of its citizens. There has long been a saying among the hard luck class which is now just as meaningful to all, extending into the upper middle class, but not the upper class; "There is short money, and there is long money." Short money is what we actually get to spend after the interest is taken out. Long money is what we get when our pay is not already owed to some other entity when we receive it , and every cent goes directly to the earner's needs.

    This will come to no good end. We are urged to increase our debt, as our ability to repay debt is lessened. At the same time that the Master Class demands more from each of us, they are shrinking our what they allow us to receive for our labors. Greed has blinded all. The irony is that The Masters are no longer rational, and expect us to escalate our payments to them (increased consumption) even as our ability to do so lessens (diminishing demand).

    Yep, we owe our souls to the company store. http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=youtube+sixteen+tons&mid=C977D86A83886625AC0...

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Apr 25, 2012, at 11:11 PM
  • A ground-breaking abortion study from Chile


    Very interesting to find that pregnancy is not a disease where you have to kill the problem. What a concept!

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, May 9, 2012, at 5:59 AM
  • Good to see you back ND. I lost Frank Rich from the NYT, and was concerned that we may have lost you. :)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, May 9, 2012, at 7:56 PM
  • Speaking of Frank Rich, it is not that he has died, and gone to Populist Paradise, he still writes, though at the more obscure New York Magazine. I do miss sprawling in my easy chair of a Sunday morning reading him first thing as I hold the NY Times in hand.

    Here he is courtesy of the internet, with just another of his enduring must read columns.


    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, May 9, 2012, at 8:55 PM
  • Even'n ND. Amen to your comment.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, May 10, 2012, at 12:06 AM
  • Gee SD that sounds like you could classify anybody that disagrees with your point of view as such. Don't forget racist and christian for they are some of the most used words in the liberal play book. Whatever happened to differing ideas and priciples instead of name calling? Just wonderin'

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, May 10, 2012, at 1:22 PM
  • Ah, "differing principles" r, there's the rub.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, May 10, 2012, at 1:39 PM
  • Romney campaign button: http://www.doug-long.com/rombutt.htm

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, May 10, 2012, at 7:38 PM
  • You're right about "differing principles" okr. Some of us have them and some don't.

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, May 10, 2012, at 10:15 PM
  • Yup, guess that would make them differing.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, May 10, 2012, at 10:19 PM
  • It's funny how Romney was a homophobe and a bully because of something he did in school. Wasn't this back in the 70's? I guess all you liberals were saints in school and you have led that sheltered life that makes you the wonderful person you are today. Liars. All of us have something in our past we are not proud of and it only matters if you are Republican. Our sitting president speaks of snorting cocaine and drinking in excess when he was in school. Shouldn't that make him an alcoholic and drug addict? Doesn't everyone stay the same person that they were in school? Nobody changes or becomes better do they? If you bully one person you are a bully for life, right? If you do illegal drugs once then you are an addict for life, right? Romney or anyone else may be who you say they are but let's base it on what they do now. What kind of person are they now? Wouldn't that be fair, I mean all of you are about fairness aren't you? I judge Obummer on what he has done while president, he has done____________________. Well I couldn't think of anything. Obummer will have to destroy his opponent to win regardless of the facts. All Romney has to do is stick with the facts of Obummer's failures and he will win in a landslide that we haven't seen in this country. The conservative and the moral majority will prevail and take this country back and make it something we can be proud of. Moochele can be ashamed if she wants. Romney may not be the right man for the job but he is better then the alternative.

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, May 10, 2012, at 10:40 PM
  • r would you treat a dog like Romney did his dog? He was no kid then.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, May 11, 2012, at 12:39 AM
  • rr3yvo,

    First of all, the "moral majority" is neither.

    Secondly, what kinds of specific changes would be made when and if the conservatives "take back" the country?

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, May 11, 2012, at 6:35 AM
  • I don't know where you libs get off that I was defending anything. I was pointing out the blatant hypocrisy of you libs. From the response I definitely struck a nerve. HEH!HEH!HEH!

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Fri, May 11, 2012, at 11:29 AM
  • ...and Romney was for more things, before he was against them, than any candidate that I can recall in my long lifetime. Too bad that there is not a "Swift Boat" group on the left. They would have ample opportunity to skewer Romney to a much greater degree than that original group did "for it before I was agin it" John Kerry.

    The "Swift Boaters" paddled in waters made so odiferous, and poisonous by the foul offal that they discharged into it, that hopefully no one will go up that creek again, paddle, or not.

    Sadly that will not be the case, for subhumans like that are drawn to stench as if it were the finest of perfumes. In fact they are so enraptured by it that they must manufacture it.


    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, May 11, 2012, at 11:43 AM
  • Good to see you back r. See what you do? Thank you for your unintended service to the progressive cause.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, May 11, 2012, at 11:46 AM
  • The New American Dream!

    Barack H. Obama:: Dear America, I quit.

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Fri, May 11, 2012, at 11:57 AM
  • Won't ever happen ND as a true progressive would find such filth so repulsive that they could not engage in such behavior.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, May 11, 2012, at 8:11 PM
  • Hope everyone ate what they want today since it was National Eat What You Want Day. This is the only day Moochele will allow it. Tomorrow it is back to what she tells you to eat while Obummer goes out and eats whatever he wants.

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Fri, May 11, 2012, at 10:04 PM
  • Anyone curious about why these 99 week extensions for unemployment are running out in an election year? The unemployment rate is going down because people are dropping off because their time is up, not because they are working. Do you think Obummer is calculating that he can blame this on the Republicans and profit politically from it?

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Fri, May 11, 2012, at 10:09 PM
  • "Mitt Romney was not at Chappaquiddick. Mitt Romney has not been accused of rape. Mitt Romney did not have an affair with a mob babe. He didn't have an affair with an actress who committed suicide later on. Mitt Romney did not father a child out of wedlock. Mitt Romney did not support the tapping of Martin Luther King's phone. Mitt Romney was never a member of the Ku Klux Klan."- Rush

    But he is a big bad bully! Waaaah! More hypocrisy!

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Fri, May 11, 2012, at 10:11 PM
  • Thanks Nana. I had not considered the concept of perennial grains,it's brilliant, and the sooner we can pull it off the better.

    Just an aside; I do lazy man gardening. No clearing of all weeds from planted crops. I utilize ditch sunflowers a lot, scattered within beds. I see insects of all types swarming them constantly, and adjacent human food source plants are insect free. They also shade my insect free lettuce extending the duration of the crop. Finally they feed finches, sparrows, etc. when gone to seed. The birds in turn eat insects for desert, drop their little fertilizer bombs as they feed, which makes my soil more fertile, and scatter the sunflower seed for the next year as a final thank you. I try to recognize circles of life, and not interrupt any phase that links it together. I reckon that is a circle game worth pursuing, at least more so than some other circle games I have played. LOL

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, May 12, 2012, at 12:30 AM
  • Sobering, saddening, superb.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, May 12, 2012, at 11:34 AM
  • I see this thread has not changed any... Nana and Not smart Dog and others are stuck in their OBama love and RR3 is stuck in the right...

    Just some facts for you to think about.

    Spewing the hatred against Romney about UNSUBSTANTIATED stories of him being a bully is idiotic... the story that states this premise is full of holes and the primary people in the stories all say a much different thing if you actually read their unfiltered statements....

    Unlike Obama who just admitted that the supposed girl friend in his book(s) was a made up person and not real...

    I liked what RR3 stated.. who in this world can claim that when they were a teenager, early 20s while in college did not do things that might be considered stupid for an adult? Didnt Obama use Cocaine? Hang out with mentors and educators that hated America? Hang out with Bombers of police stations and the Pentagon? ohhh wait... some of that Obama did as an ADULT.

    PS.. the economy is STILL horrible and Obama has STILL not passed a budget... and what... did one Democrat vote for his purposed budget a month or so ago? maybe one... but that was it.

    PSS. Unemployment is still over 14% if you utilize the real unemployment number that is the most inclusive unemployment number and more Americans are on Food Stamps, on disability than every before and more people are NOT in the work force than what, since WWII? Obama has done such a wonderful job...

    -- Posted by mrxray on Sat, May 12, 2012, at 4:32 PM
  • Good to see you back X, I have missed your pot stirring.

    Regarding Romney, and Obama, I think they both stink, and that neither will be the catalyst needed to speed recovery.

    By the way what do you think of the latest JPMorgan Chase failed exercise in unfettered greed?

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, May 12, 2012, at 5:21 PM
  • Speaking of the missing in action...where you at News? I hope you haven't succumbed to Guiness poisoning. Just in case that is the case don't forget that it is one of the few things that is its own antidote. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, May 12, 2012, at 5:24 PM
  • xray,

    Spare us your manufactured outrage. If you admit Bush / Cheny are war criminals then maybe any opinion you offer could be deemed valid.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Sat, May 12, 2012, at 9:40 PM
  • The Democrats have controlled 2/3 of our government for the last 5 years. Now if you still blame the Republicans or (Bush/Cheney) then you are either ignorant or a liar.

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sun, May 13, 2012, at 8:28 AM
  • Anyone curious about why these 99 week extensions for unemployment are running out in an election year? The unemployment rate is going down because people are dropping off because their time is up, not because they are working. Do you think Obummer is calculating that he can blame this on the Republicans and profit politically from it?

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Fri, May 11, 2012, at 10:09 PM

    I thought I would repost this because you missed it. It is not getting any news coverage yet. Why is that? Is this fair? People are dropping off of unemployment and still don't have a job. I am sure some of you bleeding heart liberals care about this. Don't you?

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sun, May 13, 2012, at 8:38 AM
  • Hey r, I have another direct question for you. One that may be answered with a simple yes, or no. Is it true that the Democrats, and the Republicans in our federal government are failing to serve the people, and instead serve the corporate citizens? No artful dodge please, just yes, or no.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, May 13, 2012, at 10:55 PM
  • One more thing r, isn't it about time you guys on the far right came up with a slogan in support of your Republican candidate? I know that it is hard for you guys as you don't have a clue as to what Mitt really stands for...and then there are all those strange Mormon things some say he believes. The former is really disconcerting, but don't worry too much about the latter, as there is ample evidence that he only believes what is convenient at the moment.

    Anyway I thought I might give you guys some suggestions, just to get you headed in that direction.

    Vote for Mitt, he's our zit, and we'll squeeze him if we want to, or Vote for Mitt, our bad fit. Maybe you should spin the warm human being angle, say; He put his dog above all, and he'll put us up there too. Or, how about; He may take the shirt off your back, but he'll give you magic underwear. My favorite though (and it may work for the churchiest of your lot) is; Don't ask, don't tell, just remember Mitt is swell, even if he's going to hell. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, May 13, 2012, at 11:54 PM
  • Yeh r, that unemployment extension drop off has been worked politically by Democrats, and Republicans at every opportunity. Have you ever thought that maybe we need a new party, a new style of politics? Have you ever thought these parties are not working for the people? If so, what are we going to do about it?

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, May 14, 2012, at 12:04 AM
  • Yes okr you are right but it is not that simple. I have been telling you guys that since I have been posting on here so I am glad you are finally coming around.

    No there is nothing we can do but vote unless we have a revolution. That won't happen because we will have too many freeloaders on the dole they won't want to get off their butts to overthrow their gravy train until it runs out of gravy. That is coming to America.

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Mon, May 14, 2012, at 2:31 PM
  • Which freeloaders, social or corporate?

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Mon, May 14, 2012, at 4:11 PM
  • Is there News out there? Whattabout you BFG, or are you on a slowboat to Australia?

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, May 15, 2012, at 12:32 AM
  • Oh but Nana you just have not been listening. Is it inability or just stubborness?

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Tue, May 15, 2012, at 11:38 AM
  • It is ironic that some of those who yell the loudest about bringing freedom to third world peoples by invading their countries, are imprisoned themselves by their own closed minds.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, May 15, 2012, at 4:21 PM
  • Restated for the sake of clarity: It is ironic that some of those who yell the loudest favoring bringing freedom to third world peoples by invading their countries, are imprisoned themselves by their own closed minds.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, May 15, 2012, at 4:32 PM
  • Good to see you back News. Re: your comment; yup.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, May 15, 2012, at 11:08 PM
  • It seems we have once again been foolhardy. While we have worried about, and rescued those economic entities we reckon to be too big to fail, we have paid far too little attention to those economic machinations too big to not fail.


    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, May 16, 2012, at 1:24 PM
  • I see Greece coming to America as I have been saying all along. We think we can keep letting our government spend, spend, spend and keep buying the unions so their workers can have the high wages, fat retirements and have the common worker foot the bill we are fooling ourselves. It will come to an end and it will be the takers(liberals) whining. The producers always survive and that will include the rich because they are the reason this country is great. Show me a country where you are not allowed to be rich and I will show you poverty.

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, May 16, 2012, at 5:31 PM
  • R, have you forgotten the days when you were a young man, as well as the economic history of our country in the last half of the twentieth century? You will recall that the portion of wealth held by the upper, and upper-middle class was much less than is the case in the twenty first century.

    Yet the second half of the twentieth century is considered the Golden Age of America. Why would you not want to return America to the conditions of its Golden Age, including the more equitablely preportionate wealth that worked for a greater percentage of Americans? I don't think you have ever explained why you would not want to do that. Would you please do so now?

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, May 16, 2012, at 6:50 PM
  • rr3yvo,

    I'll bet you get invited to a lot of parties...but not for the reasons you think.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, May 16, 2012, at 9:42 PM
  • Okr what is there to explain? I would agree but maybe you haven't been listening either.

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, May 17, 2012, at 12:02 PM
  • Exactly what is happening to us news. Its not the Christians it is the government.

    The Obama Administration: All Your Privacy And All Your Stuff Belong To Us


    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Fri, May 18, 2012, at 12:32 PM
  • rr3yvo,

    Been invited to any parties lately?

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, May 18, 2012, at 1:50 PM
  • Obama's Numbers Game (And Why You Should Be Concerned)


    They keep trying to report a recovering economy but is anybody buying it? I bet I know who is!

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sat, May 19, 2012, at 6:28 AM
  • Told ya! Now Nana that is racist. I will say it again I could care less what color he is. A failure is a failure plain and simple but of course you won't buy into the truth.

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sat, May 19, 2012, at 9:37 PM
  • News I am really not surprised that you would think that a racist remark is 'well said'. Goes with the territory doesn't it?

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sat, May 19, 2012, at 9:40 PM
  • rr3yvo,

    He's black ... he's not magic. The GOP's sole function is not to govern and consider the well being of the entire county, but to obstruct any thing and everything. If Obama were to say the sky is blue, they would argue that fact. Pure and simple. I'm sure you prayed for Obama not to be elected, what do you reckon' happened there?

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Sat, May 19, 2012, at 10:15 PM
  • We are all Suckers,and too afraid to do anything about it. Because it will take more hard ship on everyone to fix all this mess,and rid ourselves of all the Politicians,and Corporations that put us here! We would have to have some dectatorship.in the White House,to even get started to clean this Country up! Start clean! That will never happen without a Revolution and People dying! We do need to take this Country Back, or other Countries will? And then see what People like rr3 would think when they all start crawling out of attics ,like Spiders! Not unlike Europeans after World War Two.Complete new start. We have a sad future in this Country (UNLESS WE WAKE UP)

    -- Posted by Jo on Tue, May 22, 2012, at 8:31 PM
  • News your off tap comments have a lot to do with the silence. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, May 22, 2012, at 11:58 PM
  • Great piece ND but I will be really surprised if any of the local conservatives--or should that be the conservative these days--who read, and post here comment about it.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, May 23, 2012, at 12:08 AM
  • Good to see you're still kicking Jo, and pretty hard I might add.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, May 23, 2012, at 12:11 AM
  • SD why do you reckon that people who favor conservative (actually regressive) politics absolutely can not wrap their minds around the obvious fact that Romney is a corporate pirate. Why is it that they ignore the truths that you just stated?

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, May 23, 2012, at 12:33 AM
  • News my apologies to you regarding "off tap". I had never heard of it until I was reading about Australia in the travel issue of last Sunday's New York Times Magazine. That article used it, and then defined it as Australian slang for awesome. Since your comment I googled it, and found that it is described as Australian slang, but with several meanings, mostly derogatory, or negative, and nowhere near "awesome".

    I learned that you can not trust the NYT during the run up to our Iraq fiasco, and should not have used it until checking further. The Times, and I were both sloppy. I am corrected, they are not. Oh well.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, May 23, 2012, at 2:45 PM
  • Oklahoma: I've been wondering if your Son is home ,and is well? Hope everyone is Good! Isn't this amazing how the American People are even considering putting these SOB back in office? It blows my mind seeing some of the poll's!

    -- Posted by Jo on Wed, May 23, 2012, at 8:48 PM
  • Jo he has been home for quite some time, and is as well as may be expected. It was kind of you to inquire.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, May 23, 2012, at 9:57 PM
  • News I don't often disagree with you, and hardly ever in principle, but I think you may have missed the obvious answer in regard to your shade conundrum. It is taking the wrong perspective to look for the proper hose to wash off the bird doo.

    What you should do is bow to nature, and let its magic be worked. Just let the birds decorate your shades with nature's graffiti. Can you imagine the beauty of the resulting impressionist spray painting? The rich browns, buffs, black, and white, accented by mulberry, and grape, would be, in time a wonderful work of art, rivaling if not exceeding the wonder of Monet. It would be a spectacular display of art that will be talked about forever in your neighborhood. Perhaps you may be able to convince some particularly literate parrot to sign the piece on behalf of the avian art colony.

    Beyond the obvious cultural opportunity, is the environmental advantage. The additional layers will provide superior insulation far beyond anything contemplated by the manufacturer.

    But there is more; It would be a security blessing, for no burglar would ever choose to cut his way through such a problematic sheet. In fact I would be willing to bet that no self respecting burglar would go within ten feet of such a burglar barrier.

    It seems the advantages to making such a proactive choice may be never ending. Below those screens you could grow crops, or landscaping that would rival that produced in the Malta Bend bottoms.

    I could go on, but I will leave any further additions to other fertile minds.

    Please give my suggestion your full consideration, and don't just toss it aside as another crappy idea.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, May 24, 2012, at 5:49 PM
  • ROTFLMAO. Sounds to me like you're getting hosed.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, May 24, 2012, at 6:31 PM
  • NA as Australia suffers from a dearth of natural predators it appears you as a country would do well to unleash that deadliest of natural predators, mankind.

    I can envision keeping the troops home in a Cockatoo crusade for instance. You folks are just going to have to give up your pacific behavior, crack down on cockatoos, rout the rabbits, and decimate the Dingoes. It is you, or them. You are absolutely going to have to give up your wimpy behavior, and develop a killer instinct. You need to hire Rush Limbaugh, bring over Bill Reilly, and other cheerleaders for killing. We wouldn't mind as a majority of us would just as soon see them go elsewhere.

    Your washing away of cockatoo sins, that is if you can ever find a proper hose, is like fruitlessly chasing the horse when it is already out of the barn. For God's sake stiffen your resistance mate.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, May 25, 2012, at 12:25 AM
  • ...and now for something completely different.

    The Melungeons, the mystery solved by DNA. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/24/melungeon-dna-study-origin_n_1544489.ht...

    A study in successfully avoiding racial discrimination by artifice in early America. Such Goins on!

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, May 25, 2012, at 10:37 AM
  • Shoulda said: successfully avoiding by artifice, racial discrimination in early America

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, May 25, 2012, at 10:44 AM
  • ND I stumbled on to the Melungeons about ten years ago while doing genealogical research. I found their circumstance fascinating, and have stayed with the subject on an intermittent basis. The genetic conclusions are what I thought they would be. I had not thought of the indentured servant avenue to their establishment.

    I just learned of the Redbones from the article I linked, and am off in pursuit of them. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, May 25, 2012, at 11:14 PM
  • -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, May 28, 2012, at 2:15 AM
  • Thanks News you confirmed my opinion. I thought their half baked assertions were a bit over the top.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, May 28, 2012, at 12:45 PM
  • According to Lawrence O'Donnell Trump has donated $2,500 to Romney.

    Romney is hoping to earn the support of Adelson the big money man of Las Vegas. Adelson wants the U.S. Government to pressure the Chinese to let him into Maccau's gambling "industry".

    Adelson thought Newt could do more for him, but now that Newt is out of the race, he may decided Romney is his best "bet".

    -- Posted by upsedaisy on Tue, May 29, 2012, at 10:56 PM
  • Excellent piece Smart Dog, you nailed it.

    The problem is that the Democrats seeing the Republican success with cynically deceitful tactics, and pushed in the same direction by those who finance national campaigns, far too often emulate them. The center has gradually shifted further to the right. There was a time, in our lifetimes, when a Republican President (Nixon) advocated tax payer financed universal health care.

    The question is what can you, and I, and others of our ilk do to wake up the American people? It is a start to write opinion pieces such as the quality item that you just wrote.

    We can also talk the talk in our daily conversations, but if we intend to influence those whose dearly held political beliefs, and tendencies are driven by emotion, not pragmatism, we can not be abrasive, nor personally condemning in the approach. We must first point out the truth that our entire federal government, Democrat, and Republicam is in the clutches of the rich, and no longer pays more than lip service to we the common people.

    All of us have a populist streak, and recognize that problem, it is just manifested in different ways. Occupy Wall Street, and the Tea Party, are equally disgruntled, and are opposite sides of the same coin.

    The trick is to convince those who emotionally rail at the status quo, and whose political beliefs are so entertwined with emotion that they are deaf to logic, and pragmatism that they literally can not hear it when it is expressed. Thus we must express logic, and pragmatism cloaked in appealing emotion.

    For instance, the case for universal health care may be expressed: it is time to remove the burden of health care costs from hard working small businessmen by spreading the cost to us all. It is not fair to them to have to compete in the world market with all the foreign businesses that do not have the expense of paying for employee health care. Give U. S. small businesses an equal chance at success. That is just one example, there are of course many others.

    Will it work? I do not know, but we have to try.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Jun 1, 2012, at 12:55 PM
  • Nana, News, Okla,Smart Dog! Good for you guys,all made my day with your Article! I haven't heard it said better for a long time! Thanks!

    -- Posted by Jo on Fri, Jun 1, 2012, at 9:20 PM
  • Good to hear from you Jo, and thank you for the compliment. Thank you even more for being with us in the really important war we are fighting my brother.

    It is a war against inequality, and ignorance. At the moment we are short on troops, and supplies; we may even be at our version of Valley Forge. We must, and shall prevail to save our nation.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Jun 2, 2012, at 1:01 AM
  • Wisconsin's Walker survives recall by wide margin


    Taxpayers in Wisconsin won round one lets win round two in November.

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Jun 6, 2012, at 5:00 AM
  • The Whupping in Wisconsin: Seven Key Conclusions


    It's funny how the liberal media tried to make us think this Wisconsin thing was a close race. Just like they keep trying to tell us how good Obama's economy is. I think you have to be brain dead to still believe them. Liberal policies don't work we have plenty of proof.

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Jun 6, 2012, at 5:07 AM
  • Oh you mean the one's that run scared during the protest by leaving the state. Yeh I would be proud!

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Jun 6, 2012, at 5:09 AM
  • -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Jun 6, 2012, at 5:16 AM
  • "Barack Hussein Kardashian is what he has become. He is celebrity of the United States. He is not the president."- Rush

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Jun 6, 2012, at 5:23 AM
  • r you are always saying that liberal policits don't work, and that Democratic Party policies don't work. Yet I never see you defend the eight years of the Bush debacle. Your response is invariably "lets talk about now".

    I can only conclude that is tacit admission by you that Republican policies don't work either. Yet Republican Congressional members, as well as presidential, and congressional candidates only advocate returning to the Bush era policies, and procedures.

    With (in your opinion) only those two failed policies available to us, do you advocate some third option that you have not expressed? You surely do not want a repeat of the devastating failures of Bush, so what are we to do?

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Jun 6, 2012, at 9:29 AM
  • Okr I don't know any intelligent sane person that wouldn't take the Bush economy over what we are in now.

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Jun 6, 2012, at 11:08 AM
  • MORE WARS! WE NEED MORE WARS! It's good for business.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Jun 6, 2012, at 12:12 PM
  • Like I said intelligent and sane!!!!!lol

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Jun 6, 2012, at 12:27 PM
  • r said: "Okr I don't know any intelligent sane person that wouldn't take the Bush economy over what we are in now."

    Finally r the mystery is solved as to why all your opinions are confounding. You don't really listen to any intelligent sane people. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Jun 7, 2012, at 12:31 AM
  • rr3yvo,

    I'll do you one better. I'll concede any point you've ever tried to make if you'll concede that Bush / Cheney are war criminals and should be treated as such. Deal?

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Thu, Jun 7, 2012, at 7:16 AM
  • Point made perfectly boy I am right, again!!!!

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, Jun 7, 2012, at 12:20 PM
  • You know Wisconsin ought to tell the liberals something but I doubt they will ever see it. The taxpayer is getting fed up with government being generous with the money they work hard for to pay taxes. They are being fed up with unions and state employees getting far more generous benefits on their dime. Unions also took a hit in Californis in San Diego. Look around I am sure you can read about it. People are also getting fed up with our entitlement culture in this country. People simple too fat and lazy to work get disability and food stamps to sit around on their lazy butt. In my job I see the checks go out every month otherwise you wouldn't know. These people get up when they want to, go fishing or hunting when they want to, they eat better then the working family does, they can drink and smoke when they want, and otherwise just hang out together while we work to support them and their habits. I know there has to be some hard working liberals out there, why can't they see this corruption that lives next door to us and in our towns?

    What is funny now after the loss in Wisconsin we are hearing very little about it and what we hear is being blown off as not to matter. Why did it matter so much before the vote? Liberals need to brace for an even bigger loss in November. Then it will be Taxpayers-2, Liberals-0. There is no need to compromise, stick to your guns and you can win, we have proof. Hopefully conservatives got the message.

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, Jun 7, 2012, at 12:39 PM
  • rr3yvo,

    Exactly what are you "right" about? Be specific...

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Thu, Jun 7, 2012, at 4:01 PM
  • "ought to tell the liberals something but I doubt they will ever see it."

    Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, Jun 7, 2012, at 12:39 PM


    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, Jun 7, 2012, at 9:11 PM
  • rr3yvo,

    Ok...I'll bite and ask you yet again. Just what exactly are you right about? Be specific.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Thu, Jun 7, 2012, at 9:17 PM
  • SD anybody that deals with the public deals with it. I see people on disability working for cash so they keep their check. I see people that keep going to different doctors until they get one that will help them prove they are disabled. I see parents that let their kids live with them, with their boyfriends, so they can have babies, so they can get food stamps and a government check. It's just one big happy family. I see people that can work and you help them get a job and quite within a week because it is much easier to set at home and get the money out of the mailbox.

    I also see people that need disability and go for months or even years and they can't get it. They work at what they can to eat and get by. Now that is somebody I can help. I see people looking for work taking any odd job they can to scrape by refusing to burden the taxpayers except as a last resort. Now there is someone I can help. I see people that are in a wheelchair but they work everyday they have to specially equip their car and if you go with them somewhere they don't want you to help them. They want to be treated like a normal person. Now there is someone I would be happy to help.

    You liberals want to help so you can feel good about yourself. How much damage has government assistance done to the family unit? Every time the Republicans try to do anything to change it you liberals scream that they are going to take food out of the children's mouth. or starve Grandma. kick her out to the curb. Really? You just can't see it. You want to be God because you don't believe there is one. Why are most of the states with the worst financial mess are run by liberals. They aren't Democrats they are liberals. Just look at Illinois especially Chicago. We got the Chicago mob running Washington. We need politicians with a spine to say we can't afford this any longer, we can't afford to support people that don't need it, we need to stop the bleeding of the Obummer machine and the voters need a spine to vote that they have had enough but will the takers out vote the producers? We will see in November. See you at the polls. BE THERE!

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, Jun 7, 2012, at 9:43 PM
  • Poll finds George W. Bush the most unpopular living President. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/07/george-bush-most-unpopular-president_n_...

    How can that be? We are about to elect a presidential candidate who advocates a return to the same policies that made Bush unpopular. Stupid is as stupid does.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Jun 8, 2012, at 1:13 AM
  • rr3yvo,

    There will always be people who abuse a system. Those abuses should be dealt with. Do you think conservatives ever abuse any part of the system?

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, Jun 8, 2012, at 5:37 AM
  • The number of people on food stamps have doubled under Obummer. Do anyone think Obummer is abusing the system? Man if we have 4 more years of this it will be worse then Oh Bummer!!

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Fri, Jun 8, 2012, at 11:43 AM
  • rr3! That's exactly why we need Socialism with some tweaking! There nothing that can't be fixed, that's fair to everyone? The People's welfare should come first! You must be a miserable Man ,inside your head with some of the statement you make against the needy! But i'm sorry to see you have a lot of Company with this miserable attitude of this, (I got mine, you scratch for yours!) You must be a non-God Fearing Man like me?

    -- Posted by Jo on Fri, Jun 8, 2012, at 11:50 AM
  • I worry about you r. I am afraid that one of these years, just before Christmas, you will be visited by three ghosts. It is not the visits I am concerned about. It is that I am certain that you will not heed those ghosts, and instead will argue with them, even insisting that poor houses be shut down. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Jun 8, 2012, at 12:03 PM
  • This president for all of his faults has done an admirable job considering the problems he inherited. What are we to do? Let's folks starve? Is that what your god would want? Any system can and will be abused. From the welfare system to the banking system. Should you not also demand bankers be punished along side the poor?

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, Jun 8, 2012, at 3:58 PM
  • False prosperity: Is it really prosperity in North Dakota when the cost is destruction of Mother Earth? The Motherfrackers are destroying the soil, and water there. Perhaps Mother Earth will shrug as if to rid herself of an irksome pest, and houses will tumble to the ground. We shall see. http://openchannel.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/08/12106895-oil-boom-brings-wealt...

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Jun 8, 2012, at 6:37 PM
  • More evidence that Obama is just another corporate shill. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47745646/ns/politics-the_new_york_times/

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Jun 9, 2012, at 1:14 AM
  • News I won't be voting for a presidential candidate this November. Here's why; My vote for any Democrat candidate for Prez won't count in this the reddest of red states. There will be only Dem, and Repub on the ballot. Due to the outmoded electoral college my failing to vote for the lesser of evils will be of no consequence.

    However, if I were in a swing state I would vote for the Democratic candidate, only because of potential Supreme Court nominees in the next presidential term.

    As is I am defacto disenfranchised when it comes to presidential elections. My vote counts only if I vote Republican. It stinks.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Jun 9, 2012, at 1:28 AM
  • A video of some of Romney's flip flops!


    -- Posted by cheesehead on Sat, Jun 9, 2012, at 1:06 PM
  • I'm with you on this one Smart Dog. Excellent comment by you,and thanks for the link.

    "The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president."-Mitch McConnell,Leader of Senate Republicans

    Partisan priorities above all else? To me that is traitorous to the country. Yet it is the number one goal of Republican leadership. People have been hauled before a firing squad, and shot for less egregious behavior.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Jun 9, 2012, at 1:18 PM
  • Like i have said before ,there is one way to fix this Country.A complete change of this System we have now! Our Employees,in Washington have everyone in place to keep things as (they) see fit and nothing short of violence will change it! How violent, remains to be seen! Its in our History! People are tired of having NO say even when they VOTE! I **** sure don't trust the voting in this Country! And the Supreme Court is one big sham! The People of this Country are disgusting, when they Vote against their own Economic Survival! Its totally unbelievable to me!

    -- Posted by Jo on Sat, Jun 9, 2012, at 10:27 PM
  • When the feds sue a state for requiring a photo id to vote, but the Obummer's require a photo id to attend one of their functions, what is wrong with this picture? The fed suing a state trying to take dead people off the voting roles saying they cannot do this, is this a license to cheat, Democrats?

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sun, Jun 10, 2012, at 8:17 AM
  • Yes News its a shame our Democracy has come to what we have now! Its disheartening to see we have come so far and have gone NOWERE! That's way i feel that drastic things have to happen too get us back on track.Its amazing when when i talk to Veterans( the old guys),like my self about these things, and they seem so uninformed about what going on these days! Trusting of Government! Shocking too me!

    -- Posted by Jo on Sun, Jun 10, 2012, at 3:26 PM
  • Kind of like no budget for the last 3+ years and Obummercare that will officially wreck our economy that was shoved down our throats. The only positive thing is that Obummer and the liberals get fired in November and we could get Trump to tell them "You're fired". Then we could release this regime's stranglehold on businesses, get people back to work, work at energy independence and not have blame somebody else for the dismal failure you have caused. Obummer and Moochelle "You're fired". Go back to Chicago with all the other thugs.

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sun, Jun 10, 2012, at 10:09 PM
  • Is it showing respect for the office of the President of the United States of America to refer to the present duly elected official and his wife as "Obummer and Moochelle"? Times change. I remember April 1945. A tavern owner of German descent in Sedalia MO was convicted of sedition for stomping on FDR's picture when FDR died.

    If I recall correctly he served six months in a federal prison in Kansas.

    -- Posted by upsedaisy on Mon, Jun 11, 2012, at 6:42 PM
  • What happened in Wisconsin can and will happen in the National Election! Its either Voter fraud or People that don,t care! I would like to know the turn out? how many didn't Vote? I didn't get it at the time. This is hard to figure out, its hard to even make a guess at whats going on. Everyone was thinking about a turn around on Walker,for sure! It can't be just Money. The People don't pay any attention to Protest anymore.Educate me Please!!

    -- Posted by Jo on Mon, Jun 11, 2012, at 7:43 PM
  • UpseDaisy, good to hear from you, hope all is well.

    Unfortunately one of the hate filled folks on the far right exhibiting the cleverness of a somewhat slow sixth grade boy thought up "Moochelle", and exhilirated by his brilliance sent it by e mail to all his like minded friends. From there it went viral among the similarly challenged.

    Though it is somewhat lesser in achievement than the average flatulence joke, they can not resist repeating it over, and over. Wait a minute, that is what three year olds do. Perhaps I over estimated their level of maturity, and intelligence. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Jun 11, 2012, at 7:53 PM
  • Thanks News, back at you.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Jun 12, 2012, at 12:13 AM
  • Although name calling such as referring to the first lady of our nation as Moochelle is insulting to her, and irritating to many citizens for obvious reasons, where is the real harm? Eleanor Roosevelt suffered greater castigation in her day, and it, over time has certainly not sullied the reputation of that great lady. First ladies make their own reputations despite ignorant, and hateful remarks by those on the fringe of the left, or the right. Sometimes such things in the long haul even help to define their greatness, i. e. to be opposed, and insulted mostly by dolts, and hate mongers is affirmation of their essential goodness.

    The other positive from not censoring such remarks is that they trivialize, and categorize, fairly, or not, any other point such writers, or speakers are attempting to make, rendering them insignificant to the most of us. Every time they shoot off their mouth in such manner they shoot themselves in the foot.

    I have been irritated by the appellation Moochelle used over, and over by a writer on this blog, but had not said anything about it until others raised the subject. I was glad that he waved such an offensive flag, showing his true colors, over, and over to us all.

    I doubt that we will see the word Moochelle again in this forum, not because Eric will censor it, but because through continued free discourse the writer has realized it harms his over all message, and that it has been marginalized by rational discussion. I am of the optimistic opinion that the flow of free speech will find the necessary true course, if not dammed, or otherwise impeded, even though at times it overflows with impropriety.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Jun 12, 2012, at 10:54 AM
  • First trip to this forum, and while I had no quarrel with rr over on the religion forum (even though we disagree), his comments here in the political forum somewhat nullify his claims on being a Christian. I know a lot of religious people, and they generally state their opinions without acrimony.

    I hope that rr will recant the name calling and keep the discussions civil and rational.

    -- Posted by Interested Too on Tue, Jun 12, 2012, at 11:45 AM
  • Interested Too,

    Its very possible that when you watch Fox news and/or listen to Rush Limbaugh that you become immune to name calling, charcter assaination, and turn a blind eye to instituitional racism and still can call yourself a Christian. The question I have is why is this still acceptable?

    -- Posted by cheesehead on Tue, Jun 12, 2012, at 3:01 PM
  • NEWS ,OKLA,: I think your advocating censorship when you agree with Eric Crump! Everyone should be able to express there opinion without being censored, with in reason.I know Eric has deleted some of the thing i have said,and would have showed my Ignorance in some of them!But in no way should have been Censored! the World has been through that before! Fools like myself and many others have made stupid statements and will continue until we wise up! So Eric in my opinion you've be doing better,letting People either make fools of them selves, or intelligent Statements! Like most on this blog!

    -- Posted by Jo on Tue, Jun 12, 2012, at 9:13 PM
  • All of this about the Economy could be fixed tomorrow if the Congress wanted to resend their allegiance too Norquist and some Democrats! Put some Charges on these Billionaires for un American activities! Do something! Get behind another tougher Party! J. EDGER HOOVER COULD HAVE HELPED WITH SOME OF THESE FOOLS!

    -- Posted by Jo on Tue, Jun 12, 2012, at 9:32 PM
  • Jo I think you missed the point of my comment. I was not advocating censorship. What I meant to say, perhaps I wasn't clear, is that through discussion we can persuade people to drop the nasty comments, or at least shame them into it, and that route is superior to censoring. Censoring to me should only be a last resort, in a private forum, and seldom if ever, used in a public forum. This site is a private forum, and we have absolutely no legal right to say anything. It is through the good graces, and tolerance of the editor that we have it. I for one am grateful to him.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Jun 13, 2012, at 12:14 AM
  • More evidence that one world corporatism is a part of the Obama Administrations agenda. Would Romney be any different? Naw, we're screwed.


    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Jun 13, 2012, at 10:28 AM
  • In the beginning i thought there was a little Bias going on. But anytime i hear the word Editor or Edit my antenna go's up. In no way do i think any of the people i read on here would except Censorship! Well, maybe 1 But usually i skip over nonsense!

    -- Posted by Jo on Wed, Jun 13, 2012, at 2:53 PM
  • Eric you have a pretty tall order here of policing these blogs. You tripled your workload when you added the political and religious blog. I enjoy all of them and I think when our post is deleted we automatically see bias. I think you have been as fair as you can possibly be.

    I would like to thank all that participated in my experiment. Some results were a surprise, most were not. There say there is a fine line between genius and idiot and there is not much gray area.

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Jun 13, 2012, at 3:49 PM
  • rr3 just want you to know that you are appreciated. It is a difficult situation on these blogs for you, and I appreciate that there is at least one Conservative who brings his best to the blogs. You are a Mensch. :)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Jun 13, 2012, at 6:16 PM
  • Jo,

    You are no fool. When your posts pop up, we are going to hear common sense. In other words, you are the innocent child on the sidelines pointing out that the Emperor is not wearing clothes.

    Our children need classes in common sense. And we need your thoughts.

    -- Posted by upsedaisy on Wed, Jun 13, 2012, at 10:15 PM
  • Can anyone watch this and not want to rebel against this system we live in? what will it take for everyone to rise up? One day you won't have Social Security, NO Hospitals Public School,Safe food,No Power,No Bridages,no Roads No Nothing! They want to Privatize everything,and exclude everyone that can't pay what ever they decide they want to charge you! What would they have if everyone just didn't show up one day? And didn't spend anything for a week or two? All this against the Middle Class and the poor sucks!! And have the nerve too blame OBAMA.If buy some strange reason the Republican should take back the Presidency,and Majority,everything the President has tried to Implement,they will do when they can take credit for it! Right now their ready to let the Country go down the Tubes! That's what i call a skanky bunch of Pigs that should be put in front of a firing squad!

    -- Posted by Jo on Wed, Jun 13, 2012, at 10:37 PM
  • -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, Jun 14, 2012, at 6:26 AM
  • Has anyone else noticed that the marionettes in the media are already talking about a possible clash between what they expect to be a resurgence of the Clinton "dynasty" and the Bush "dynasty" come 2016?

    It's really appalling to think that intelligent people do not understand that the Clintons and the Bushes (along with Reagan, Gingrich, Dole, and the lot) are all just puppets being played by some very powerful puppet-masters?

    As one writer put it - this group has the world ensnared in the tentacles of social control that operates on all levels of the socio-economic ladder.

    A "war" between dynasties that are controlled by the same puppet-masters can't be a real war, can it? Then again - the major news sources are controlled by the same puppet-masters.

    Sounds like they're setting the stage for some changes.

    -- Posted by gentle ben on Fri, Jun 15, 2012, at 12:38 PM
  • Amen Gentle Ben!

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Jun 15, 2012, at 1:50 PM
  • "There are two great forces in the world - Each is directed form the same boardroom." James Knox

    Their mantra ... "Ordo Ab Chao" ... Order Out of Chaos.

    -- Posted by gentle ben on Fri, Jun 15, 2012, at 2:02 PM
  • A final word to contemplate this weekend - it seems that the puppeteers are constantly creating two opposing forces which clash. Chaos ensues (think Nazis and Soviets - or just look at World War II, for example). And it is through this chaos that the puppeteers' plan for control (global domination) finds its life and execution - or more simply put - the battle brings order out of chaos.

    -- Posted by gentle ben on Fri, Jun 15, 2012, at 2:17 PM
  • I do not believe it is simply an American problem - I think there are ten specific international "families" if you will who control it all and who use the puppets to do their "dirty work" so to speak. Reader be warned, however - the dirty work doesn't always look so dirty to the masses. The way I see it - the families are divided by nation as follows: USA - 2; South Africa - 1; France - 3; Austria - 1; Great Britain - 1; Spain - 1; and Canada - 1. (No one from Australia - maybe that's why all is well down under?) Interesting to note that the lion's share of these puppeteers are from what is commonly known as the European Community. (Which seems to be in quite a shambles right now)

    -- Posted by gentle ben on Fri, Jun 15, 2012, at 3:25 PM
  • One more thought - and then I'll hush for now - but the latest thesis vs. antithesis artificially formed by the masters to create more chaos seems to be one that was invented to replace the Communism-v-Capitalism battle we knew during the cold war. This one pits Nationalism (or Patriotism) against Universalism - with Nationalists being demonized and Universalists being held up as role models. Just my observations - but scary nonetheless.

    -- Posted by gentle ben on Fri, Jun 15, 2012, at 3:32 PM
  • All of this panic driven expending of munitions, and military machinary in three to five wars at a time is a last gasp effort by our government. An effort to kill, and contain nefarious entities that threaten the overthrow of our government, and the annihilation of our people? No. It is a last gap effort to save our economy by ratcheting up our last viable industry, the military-industrial complex.

    As manufacturing has declined the powers that be belatedly, and grudgingly see our mistake in allowing, and abetting the destruction of our manufacturing base. They now know that a strong manufacturingm and export sector in our economy is an absolute necessity, if we are to economically survive the peril of an anemic domestic consumption segment of the economy.

    Therefore the PTB (powers that be) looked at what we have that has a good chance of creating jobs that will spur domestic consumption; create production that through foreign sales, will bring an inflow of foreign money, and if handled in the right manner (advertising, and on the ground promotion) will dramatically spiral upward for a long time.

    The military-industrial complex was not only the obvious choice, it was the only choice. While technology, soft goods, and hard goods manufacture has fled to the far corners of the world, we remain supremely at the top of the heap in the area of military manufacture. We manufacture more of the means to slaughter people than the rest of the world combined. Our research and development, our physical plants, and our trained labor force, dwarfs that of the rest of the world combined.

    Wait there's more. We have the largest free advertising venues in the world, that being the world wide main stream media. An example is the current drone advertising campaign. It is being conducted much like the advertising for an innovative new car line. "News" purveyors around the world love to show menacing drones of various sizes, and shapes, gliding through the sky, then wreaking destruction. Things can't get much more dramatic than that, and the media knows that their audience loves nothing more than action, drama, and destruction. The only major difference between a new car campaign, and the drone campaign is that the solicited customers of the drone campaign are really, really high end. You know every country that is insecure, or aggressive wants drones, and lots of them.

    It is an easy instruct for the PBT to deliver to main stream media, as they are both on the same page with this one; no quibbling anywhere. And, if that is not enough we have sales boots on the ground around the world stirring up things in a way that makes potential customers drool for drones.

    Is it any wonder that the world quakes when they think of America?

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Jun 17, 2012, at 12:47 AM
  • I just saw this. "Drones over US: Thousands could be in the skies soon." And, I know kids who want to grow up to be drone pilots. We probably have a million half trained by now via X-Box etc.


    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Jun 17, 2012, at 1:42 AM
  • Once in a while John McCain says, or does something that separates himself from the lies, and vitriol that we have learned to expect from prominent Republicans. That of course is why so many Republicans could hardly bring themselves to vote for him. If a man has a shred of character it isolates him from the mad crowd at the top of the reeking regressive heap.

    Differing from Romney regarding corporate citizenship, and unlimited corporate donations, McCain spoke an uncomfortable truth. Good for him! http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/06/15/500435/mccain-corporations-not-peopl...

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Jun 18, 2012, at 12:54 AM
  • News the outhouse story is funny. Poor taste maybe but funny nevertheless. What is really funny is those that were offended by my pet names for the president and first lady. I didn't realize how thin-skinned some of you are. Are you offended when the same poor taste is directed at conservatives and their families? If there is I haven't seen it from any of you. I have a couple of other names for the president but you have successfully got them deleted. Does that mean if I find something on here offensive and whine about it it will be deleted? Where do we stop? I see liberals really don't want free speech except when it is theirs. rr3 censored conservative. Thank you. You all take the fun out of it and thats all it was in good fun. Laugh a little live a lot.

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Mon, Jun 18, 2012, at 2:09 PM
  • I would like to know what some think on the legality or constitutionality of the latest Obama immigration ruse. Sounds like catch, release and vote to me. I guess when you can't buy votes you legalize them. Instead of illegal aliens would they now be called 'undocumented democratic voters'.

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Mon, Jun 18, 2012, at 3:04 PM
  • Appreciate the comment news but you didn't answer my question.

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Mon, Jun 18, 2012, at 3:06 PM
  • r my friend you are wrong again with your latest blast blanketing all liberals, "I see liberals really don't want free speech except when it is theirs. rr3 censored conservative."

    Please go back, and read my take on on the first lady name calling brouhaha. It is exactly the opposite of the label you just applied to "all liberals". I am absolutely for your right to say even much worse in a public forum. Please recognize the distinction between that, and the private forum in which we write. If it was up to me your label of the first lady would stand (read my comment), but it isn't up to me, it is up to Eric.

    I think it likely I have been censored on these blogs as often, or perhaps more often than you. I don't go all waa waa, with delusions of persecution. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Jun 18, 2012, at 3:30 PM
  • I wonder if Eric can pull up who has been the most censored? No way News are you the most censored. That label belongs to ThirdChild, or JJGates, or Raytown Bill, or someone else equally outrageous, may their blog spirits rest in peace.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Jun 18, 2012, at 4:26 PM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    I think it might be possible but time-consuming. It would be interesting!
  • Are you offended when the same poor taste is directed at conservatives and their families?

    Posted by rr3yv0 on Mon, Jun 18, 2012, at 2:09 PM

    Mainly directed at those whining. I have been deleted also. All I want to point out is the two-faced hypocrisy of it all. I was not deleted until we had the whining. Just trying to make a point.

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Mon, Jun 18, 2012, at 5:28 PM
  • Eric I thought that it might be possible to check who has the most deletions, but I wouldn't ask you to take your valuable time to do so. It isn't like you have even an extra thirty seconds with your dedication to the paper, and the community.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Jun 18, 2012, at 7:58 PM
  • Yup, it is a sign of the times News, as is making movies such as Abraham Lincoln the Vampire Slayer. Now there is twisted history for you, though it doesn't rival the Regressive's revisionist recall of recent history.

    I can't wait until the lame production that is surely forthcoming, Washington The Werewolf. And to think most of us have believed that Washington's problems with his false teeth were due to the primitive dentistry of the day, when all the time it was because they were really used to cover a set of wolf like pearly whites. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Jun 18, 2012, at 10:13 PM
  • What do you think of People that have something to say about someone on this Blog,and at the same thing give your Name?I have did that,and it was Deleted! I stated that if i had something to say about anyone i would rather say it too there face,so i added my Name! I believe it was directed to Raytown Bill,rr3 sounds just like him! I'm happy too give my Name on any comment i make!

    -- Posted by Jo on Mon, Jun 18, 2012, at 10:26 PM
  • Yes News,I was a Police Officer for a couple of years,also a Corrections officer for another three years,so i know of threats. Didn't like it,always alerate to the fact! But most were Cowards & Big Mouths in the end! Never liked talking behind anyone's back.Your right,a lot of times it's better too just hush,and observe,but feel free to speak your mind if necessary!

    -- Posted by Jo on Tue, Jun 19, 2012, at 12:49 PM
  • PMSNBC caught doctoring Romney tape to try to make him look bad. What a laughingstock!!!! HAHAHA!!!! How many of you believe the state run media? I guess if you keep on believing something it might come true. Is that like wishing?

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Tue, Jun 19, 2012, at 9:40 PM
  • RR: yes the media can and do anything they want with a Story! But some of the Provable lies that has been told,is still being told by the Republicans! I have missed any apologies or corrections made from any of them. And they continue! So get real!

    -- Posted by Jo on Tue, Jun 19, 2012, at 10:31 PM
  • Scott Brown accepts Kennedy debate with conditions


    News I don't see the attack. I read your article also and they are nearly identical much with a different tones. Seems that RS was on the attack which is why you worship them. Just trying to point out your blatant hypocrisy. Your welcome mate.

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Tue, Jun 19, 2012, at 10:33 PM
  • So Jo let me get this straight a blatant fabrication is aired by a liberal news source and all you can say is that the Republicans are lying? Really! Is that it? Does that make it ok?

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Tue, Jun 19, 2012, at 10:36 PM
  • The Top 10 So-Called "Liberal" Hypocrites: Their Lies, Tries, and the Moral of Their Story


    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Jun 20, 2012, at 12:00 PM
  • RR "No" trying too deceive the American People in anyway, halve truths, flat out lying, Taking things out of context,is taking this Country down! I know that's the way its always been done! But not this blatantly! Like you say they all do it,but that's what has too be changed! Believing anything, (Most) of these People has too be checked out for the truth,but it has gotten to the point there is very little truths being Printed! This is why i feel the entire System has to be done over. Revolution is all i see in our future! There's a lot i felt Obama would do when he was Elected,and think he still would if he had any help! Right now i feel Obama is as close as we have too salvation for the People,but he and the Democratic Party has to develop a spine and take care of the Peoples Business? We are America! If they don't have the People, they have nothing,and if they can force that kind of ideology on the People, we could have another HITLER! In my View?

    -- Posted by Jo on Thu, Jun 21, 2012, at 2:58 AM
  • Speaking proactively r before you start moaning about Obama because of todays huge drop in the Dow Jones Average, bear in mind that six of the top ten drops in Dow Jones history came on the watch of...you guessed it...George W. Bush. In fact the top three drops ever were when Georgie was in control, as well as drops five, seven, and nine. Despite that, you want to put in office another candidate that endorses the same old failed policies. Get a clue, get a clue.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Jun 21, 2012, at 7:24 PM
  • Nana you are right you are all a victim of the big lie. You keep repeating it and never know it.

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, Jun 21, 2012, at 9:16 PM
  • The one's you keep repeating.

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, Jun 21, 2012, at 10:37 PM
  • Holder found in contempt of Congress, Obama pulls executive privilege at the last hour? What are they hiding? Will we ever know?

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, Jun 21, 2012, at 10:40 PM
  • Obama regime suing egg producer for requesting too much paper work to make sure their employees are legal? They can be shut down for hiring illegals but get sued to for making sure they are legal? How can we have it both ways? Is this more of the catch, release and vote strategy?

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, Jun 21, 2012, at 10:45 PM
  • Obama regime suing Florida for attempting to purge illegal voters from their roles? Really! These people are above the law and some of you don't care.

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, Jun 21, 2012, at 10:48 PM
  • -- Posted by Slater on Fri, Jun 22, 2012, at 6:44 PM
  • Romney brings potential V. P. candidates to Utah this weekend. Is that so the candidates can be vetted by the Mormon Elders? http://video.msnbc.msn.com/msnbc-tv/47931444/#47931444

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Jun 23, 2012, at 1:44 PM
  • Oldy, but moldy NA. LOL Unfortunately it would likely be considered quite up to date in certain Regressive circles.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Jun 23, 2012, at 1:51 PM
  • A blast from the past, vintage 1968, had to love those 60s; "The Way We Live". What a burgeoning of false hope those days were. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00DM-KmyEoE

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Jun 23, 2012, at 8:33 PM
  • Yeh we are bad column number one NA, and if we keep at it we will be nothing except number two.

    ND I am beginning to think we will never learn. It makes my heart ache.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Jun 24, 2012, at 1:41 AM
  • When all this started,about too big to fail! Has any thing been broken up yet? And what about the Koch Brothers Empire and the others? Has anyone heard of anything? Why couldn't they go after these People for un American Activities regardless of their Politic!? MY HISTORY ISN'T THERE ANYMORE! Wasn't Germany's Problem along the same lines, when Hitler took over? I've STUDIED so much on this stuff my Brain isn't retaining what i read anymore.ha! Thanks for the help, if you have any! Okla,NANA,NEWS Thanks for the links YOU'VE BEEN PROVIDING!

    -- Posted by Jo on Mon, Jun 25, 2012, at 10:07 PM
  • Drones, drones, drones. They will yet be Barry's undoing.

    When you get back r please read at the attached link an article that I think you will mostly agree with even though it is in a liberal news source. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/06/24/obama-s-muslim-world-fantasy-ea...

    Next, just for grins, see if you can find something at a similar conservative news source that I will likely agree with.

    All about fair, and balanced don'tcha know. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Jun 26, 2012, at 12:44 AM
  • We should all stop talking about "liberal" and "conservative" - Democrat and Republican - and so on. They are all controlled by the same folks in higher than you can imagine places. And again - the concept of order out of chaos - which is very much alive and well - seems to be working even on this comment section. The formula is really quite simple: Thesis (the left is right) clashes with Antithesis (the right is right); chaos ensues until we arrive at Synthesis (an agreement of some sort). Problem is - the Thesis and Antithesis are both invented and controlled by the same folks who are simply manipulating world events to bring about their own desired ends. It's been that way forever and will ever be. We are all just pawns on a chess board. So please - no more of this conservative vs liberal drivel - THEY ARE ALL THE SAME!

    -- Posted by gentle ben on Tue, Jun 26, 2012, at 11:40 AM
  • GB I have long been a proponent of accurately descriptive labels, i.e. those that describe positions, not parties. Thus I most often use the terms Progressive, and Regressive. Progressive is defined as favoring, or advocating change, improvement, or reform; Regressive of course means returning to previous condition.

    Many Regressives may be found within the membership of the Democratic Party (Blue Dogs), the Republican Party is dominated by Regressives, any Republicans with an alternative philosophy have been gone from the Party for years, and are a prime reason for the swelling ranks of Independents.

    I appreciate what you are saying, they all are beholden to higher powers. The core difference is that Progressives prefer that it was not so, and work to change it by promoting such things as financing elections with the people's money (taxpayers), not private contributions.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Jun 26, 2012, at 12:48 PM
  • "Like lemmings over a cliff" is a good analogy - but I believe mankind is being driven over the edge by the few who hold ultimate power. Dynasties that have been around for many, many years and who have controlled banking, oil, the geo-political make up of the nations, and even the environment - are still calling the shots on a world-wide scale. I might name names - but then - who would listen to the rantings of an old codger like me? However - to find the trail that leads up the strings to the puppet masters we must look at certain well-placed scholarship recipients, at certain Ivy League colleges and universities, and at certain "fellowships" such as that group with skeletal parts in their name. Oops - I've probably said too much. If you don't hear from me soon - send out a search party! For now - I have to skip over to the Religion section to see how that Thesis vs Antithesis = Synthesis formula is working out.

    -- Posted by gentle ben on Wed, Jun 27, 2012, at 10:15 AM
  • Well GB you certainly got to the bare bones of it. Geronimo! ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Jun 27, 2012, at 10:32 AM
  • Mission Accomplished!

    -- Posted by gentle ben on Wed, Jun 27, 2012, at 10:38 AM
  • I don't think Roberts has changed. There's something else behind this! they just don't wake up one day and believe something else? That Court has already let the Money, buy the Government, if the People let it happen! Go with the Candidate with the least Money and better ideas, and we can beat these fools!

    -- Posted by Jo on Thu, Jun 28, 2012, at 4:15 PM
  • Even though I am happy about the Supreme Court's decision today; I am not entirely happy with the bill in its entirety. I hope that opponents spend their energies fine-tuning and improving the parts that a lot of people have problems with, and do not spend all of their energy trying to repeal the entire bill. That is nearly impossible now, and if both sides listen to each other and work productively; we may have an excellent plan that most people can live comfortably with and feel proud of.

    -- Posted by Interested Too on Thu, Jun 28, 2012, at 5:35 PM
  • Absolutely News!Any thing else will stink for everyone but i guess you could call it a victory of some kind! If were lucky this will lead to the National Healthcare everyone wants & deserves but, not in our life time! Rachel Maddow and other showed how far behind we really are with other Nations, it sucks! We spend over one and a half times more, and receive less effective results! Is there something wrong with that,people?

    -- Posted by Jo on Thu, Jun 28, 2012, at 9:53 PM
  • Though I too hope for some sort of Health Care reform, to make quality health care accessible to more people, I hope this doesn't turn out like what happened when the Carter administration implemented the Department of Energy.

    The Department of Energy was instituted on August 4, 1977 and charged with the mission to LESSEN OUR DEPENDENCE ON FOREIGN OIL.

    Now here we are in 2012 and the budget for this "necessary" department stands at around $24.2 BILLION A YEAR. It has 16,000 federal employees and approximately 100,000 contract employees. And what about their track record - When the department was started, 30% of our oil consumption was foreign imports. Today 70% of our oil consumption is foreign imports. And we have since turned the banking system and the auto industry over to the feds. I wonder what might happen if they take over healthcare?

    -- Posted by gentle ben on Fri, Jun 29, 2012, at 10:35 AM
  • I truly enjoy these blogs. Where else is an old porch sitting, whittling, dog petting, observer of life as it goes by like me, with absolutely no certificates, credentials, or specialties of lasting value, get to converse with economists, psychologists, teachers, ministers, successful business professionals, and judging from the apparent intelligence of other posters, unspecified professional accomplishments, or innate high intelligence, and advanced perceptions?

    Yet we grump about the content, we groan about the limitations, and castigate each other like children who can't see the forest for the trees. We are fortunate, or blessed (depending on perspective) to have this opportunity.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Jun 30, 2012, at 2:58 PM
  • Yup News, our old titanic self has steamed ahead, blind to warning after warning, and in my opinion already hit an iceberg.

    We are now a nation of folk categorized, polarized, and segregated into the appropriate life boats, most of which are paddling in circles. The only boat to boat exchange is insults, and the swing of an aggressive oar should one try to approach another. Meanwhile an unrecognized current is taking us all to a giant whirlpool somewhere in the Ocean of Despair, where we all will be sucked into oblivion. Glub, glub. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Jun 30, 2012, at 6:55 PM
  • You have a point News, and I agree that Progressives are paddling against the current. The problem is that as the current gets stronger, we along with all the rest, will not be able to get to that distant shore. All we can do is keep on paddling. We have to try.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Jun 30, 2012, at 8:02 PM
  • Appropriate cut News, and excellent my friend.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Jun 30, 2012, at 8:08 PM
  • Going back a bit, to the Crossroad, also appropriate. :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yd60nI4sa9A

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Jun 30, 2012, at 8:14 PM
  • Nanadot,

    Good comments on Germany's economy flourishing despite their "Socialist" perks for citizens.

    Interesting article this week in Wall Street Journal on the wave of Asian buyers for real estate in the USA. It's led by the Chinese, their buying power may well lift the U.S. housing market out of its decline.

    In China, parents buy American baby food because they don't trust Chinese brands.

    There is a Chinese blessing/curse: May you live in interesting times. Sums it up.

    -- Posted by upsedaisy on Sat, Jun 30, 2012, at 10:48 PM
  • Simply put we can not emulate Germany, nor any other social model that truly provides for the welfare of all its citizens as long as we remain arsenal to the world. It is a fiscal impossibility to so grandly subsidize, and provide security for that industry, and have enough resources remaining to do anything else large scale. Caught between a rock, and a hard place, we can't live without it, and we can't live well with it. What a pickle we are in.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Jun 30, 2012, at 11:23 PM
  • That,and many other things News, like freebies to our so called allies.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Jul 1, 2012, at 12:12 AM
  • Newsacross,

    No the Asian buyers aren't moving shop back to America. They are bringing their cash and purchasing homes for themselves and their families. Their money buys a lot more in US.

    Still a good deal of accurate information in the WSJ reporting, which is separate from the editorial and op-ed pieces by Karl Rove et al.

    -- Posted by upsedaisy on Sun, Jul 1, 2012, at 7:58 PM
  • Other Countries like Brazil, Columbia, China, Japan,i under stand are having a field Day buying up American Real Estate! How much are we going to sell them? And we are worried about People coming across the Border? Its too deep for me! Nothing makes sense anymore!

    -- Posted by Jo on Sun, Jul 1, 2012, at 10:06 PM
  • Agreed.

    The country need jobs, jobs, jobs. There is erosion of benefits for those who do have jobs. Lenovo, a Chinese company, moves jobs around the world w/only a modicum of notice. Those remaining are expected to work Saturdays--a six day week.

    Can't understand the opposition to programs like the WPA during the 30s. This spring there was mention of rebuilding a facility near the Lake of the Ozarks, which had been serving many groups for 70 years. (There may have been a fire in the mix.) Thankfully funds have been found to rebuild.

    -- Posted by upsedaisy on Mon, Jul 2, 2012, at 9:39 PM
  • This song parody just popped into my head, to the tune of Gene Autry's "Back in The Saddle Again" http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=youtube+back+in+the+saddle+again&mid=5CBFD53...

    I'm backin' the paddle again

    out where a trend is a trend

    where the long haired mullets grow

    and folks don't want to know

    I'm backin' the paddle again

    usin' the belt once more

    til the butt is sore

    where kids cry in bed every night

    and the only law is might

    backin' the paddle again


    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Jul 3, 2012, at 12:58 AM
  • Guess I shoulda said this SATIRICAL song parody just popped in to my head. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Jul 3, 2012, at 9:17 AM
  • While the subject of songs is up, I have another one to share, that I wrote a little while ago. No help from Gene Autry on this one. As a matter of fact I doubt clean livin' Gene would have wanted anything to do with it, considering the subject of the song. Who knows though? He did live in California most of his life.

    I have mentioned medical marijuana on this blog when it was the thread, and I think that I said that I had used it for severe back injury with excellent results over thirty years ago. The Doctors pushed a variety of addictive narcotics to me, I tried 'em, they creeped me out, more than they gave me relief. After trying each one a time, or two, I knew they weren't for me, and used only marijuana for pain relief during the time I was seeing if I could avoid surgery.

    Anyway, I was thinking that I am really lucky at my age to not have a darn thing wrong with me, and that I don't have to take any kind of medication for anything. Then I thought what would happen if my back went way bad on me like it did in 1980? I didn't panic, but I was concerned because I don't know one person here in Oklahoma that I could get, what is for me, the best medicine for a bad back. I guess social isolation of the aged might have something to do with it. Then I thought, well it could be worse, you could be in a rest home with a bad back. Then I panicked. From that conversation with self, came this song. I hope you enjoy it. ;)

    Wishin' Willie Was My Friend

    I'm just a rockin in my rest home, wishin' Willie was my friend.

    All my friends just like him, have come to their good end.

    My next room neighbor does have that illegal smile,

    but then again he ain't said a word in a good long while.

    I wish I was in Colorado, or some other state like that,

    but I'm in Oklahoma, and that's not where it's at.

    So I just sit awaitin' while I still have time to spend,

    Still dreamin', and still wishin' that Willie was my friend.

    My back is bad from hurts I've had, and it makes me sad,

    and the zombie pills they give me really make me mad.

    I'd be doin' better with some of that special blend.

    Man, I wish so much, that Willie was my friend.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Jul 3, 2012, at 4:20 PM
  • News that line "My next room neighbor does have that illegal smile," should read My next room neighbor MAY have that illegal smile,...the implication being that he suffers senile dementia when tied to the next line, "but then he again he ain't said a word in a good long while." In a "rest home" that is the only way the "inmates" are going to approximate the peace of mind that Willie Nelson has, and the narrator wishes for. Once put away there is absolutely no chance to get the medicine of choice. But yea, I too obviously am familiar with that particular smile. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Jul 4, 2012, at 1:32 AM
  • Nana, thank you so much my dear friend for that. It made my Fourth!

    This one is for you.

    A hundred miles from Okemah, and a hundred years too late,

    to walk all the way with Woody, as he made Oklahoma great.

    though his path has faded, if I stay real close to shacks,

    I'm pretty sure if I listen too, I'll follow in his tracks.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Jul 4, 2012, at 2:12 PM
  • Wow! Finally a challenge through the court system with valid research regarding marijuana. All that it is really doing is providing established, and respected backing for what millions of Americans have known for years. Though it is troubling, recent evidence that a larger percentage of high school seniors smoke marijuana than cigarettes points to the necessity of regulation instead of prohibition. It appears that the prevarications tendered by vested interests to the ninny hammers are unraveling at last.

    In my opinion the only reason that it is taking so much longer to overturn this prohibition than the one against alcohol, is the differences in sourcing.

    Alcohol prohibition shut down an established complex industry that was necessary to provide enough distilled, suitably varied product to meet consumer demand. It works nicely to provide jobs, taxable incomes, and most of all profits, to stimulate Establishment capitalism. The only out side the system competition was, and is, a small anti-establishment sector in the form of Moonshiners, who can only produce a single product with limited appeal, and even that must be done by a physical process involving machinery. It is merely a blip to the alcohol industry. Thus influential well funded capitalists spearheaded the drive for repeal of the Eighteenth Amendment.

    On the other hand marijuana production has no pre-existing capitalist mechanism to assure that once legalized, all the profits go to establishment capitalists. To the contrary, existing sectors of capitalism, namely the distilling, pharmaceutical, and tobacco industries, rightly percieve that legalization of marijuana would cause a decline in sales of their products. Thus establishment capitalism spearheads the drive for continued total prohibition.

    End Part One

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Jul 5, 2012, at 1:48 AM
  • Part Two

    Corporate America is well aware that there is no way that they can put a lid on the marijuana industry, despite the current futile scrambling by big Pharma to isolate, and package for profit the active ingredients in marijuana. Further, even if they succeed in doing so the only thing that will do is remove the fear of marijuana which they have advertised for ages. With that altered circumstance no one for long is going to pay their always high prices for such a prescription medication. People will just get it from the street, particularly in the declining economy we experience. They will not be able to overcome the baseline; it only takes a seed, a container, and average gardening knowlege to grow it, and once the fear is removed, grow it people will. Big Pharma therefore will fight even limited legalization to the bitter end.

    The tobacco industry is not in such dire straits. They produce a similiar product to marijuana, the problem is that their product kills people, and is appropriately in more ways than one, a dying industry. They are actually set up to easily convert to marijuana production in every way. I am certain they are currently considering how to do just that so that they will be ready when the time is right. It would be ironic if it is the savior of the tobacco industry, but it appears that it is the only thing that could do it. Their resistance will wan, and they will in time, quietly switch sides on the issue.

    The brewing, and distilling industry is likely already preparing for leglization as they stand to make a fortune off such things as infusions into existing high profile products. They also will be able to take advantage of the fact that they are already a controlled product, and will be able to take advantage of existing legislation as they segue to their enhanced products. They to will get aboard the legalization band wagon.

    What is good for business is good for America, and boy is this going to be good business!

    End of Part Two

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Jul 5, 2012, at 2:43 AM
  • An excellent essay News, thanks for the heads up; also Billy Bragg. :)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Jul 5, 2012, at 4:06 PM
  • Francois Hollande's,Yea, this will be interesting to see how this Socialist President will Operate? A good thing!! This could be a model for the USA!

    -- Posted by Jo on Fri, Jul 6, 2012, at 3:39 PM
  • I once heard my nephew comment that "had he been around during the civil war he would have fought for the south because they would have had god on their side".... The lad has been successfully indoctrinated.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Sat, Jul 7, 2012, at 6:43 AM
  • Yep. Historian James Loewen says the north won the Civil War in 1865 and the south won it in 1890.


    I think you could argue that the south won it with one bullet: the one that killed Lincoln. Had Lincoln lived, I bet reconstruction would have unfolded differently. More of a healing process than the false hopes and deepening divisions we got instead. Just a hunch.

    -- Posted by taxedpayer on Sat, Jul 7, 2012, at 7:34 AM
  • Congratulations to Barney & Partner! It's too bad he's leaving Office. He was one who was trying to do the right thing for the Banking Industry and the way they treat the People! He has made a great Contribution to the Law of Banking and the Protection of the Peoples right! We are running out of honest and considerate Politician's, if there is such a thing left in Politics? IM still for term Limit's on all Government Officials! There can always be exception, but not many?

    -- Posted by Jo on Sun, Jul 8, 2012, at 1:24 PM
  • Smart Dog my observations during my lifetime have led me to conclude that those at the very top, and those at the very bottom are equally ignorant. Their isolation from the mainstream of daily living in America has left each category clueless as to what it is like for the most of us as we go about our business.

    Thus any so called solutions postulated by either of those groups are absurd, because they know nothing of the most of America, how it works, and what it needs. Any solutions that they present are grounded in their experiences of a different world, not America as a whole.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Jul 9, 2012, at 11:33 PM
  • Taking my point a bit further, before someone jumps in based on their conscientious concern, and sympathy for the abject poor, i. e. liberal guilt manifested, hear me out.

    I believe a democracy bereft of a thriving bourgeoisie can not be sustained. I also believe that there must be an open, and equal avenue upward giving the proletariat an opportunity to become bourgeoisie through hard work, education, and thrift. That after all, is simply the American Dream.

    At the moment that dream has become a nightmare, as opportunity for advancement not only is diminishing, but more, and more are tumbling downward from the ranks of the bourgeois. The top two percent, and the bottom ten percent are both cancers on the body politic, and must be excised to make America healthy.It will require radical action to accomplish that.

    Thus we must bring forth a massive tax increase on the top two percent, one that brings them reeling back into the mainstream; an increase that generates enough money to prepare the bottom ten percent to once again aspire to, and actually attain the American Dream. We can not allow them to wallow at the bottom where drugs, provide the only dreams, and there is abjection, and resentment throughout their culture.

    It is a massive task as the cancer has been growing unattended for generations. We must invade their culture, leaving sources of knowlege, and sustainable models of successful adaptation in our wake, being certain that the very youngest are given the larger doses, for without early intervention the cure will not occur.

    There is one other illness that has infected us all that must be attended to so that we may be a healthy vigorous nation once again. That is indiscriminate consumption. It is not wrong to consume, but we must learn to consume more thoughtfully. The result will be healthy production that won't have to accompanied by brainwashing to move the product.

    It is a tall order, but if we hope to be the nation that is presently only a figment of propagandized imagination, we must dare to undertake such revolution.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Jul 10, 2012, at 12:48 AM
  • I disagree back News. ;) Please note that I presented remedies that would reel in the upper tier, increase the middle tier, and most importantly shrink the lower tier to levels unseen in our society. In effect, bringing us all closer together, closer to one class. It is pragmatic, and peaceful.

    Short of massive violent revolution what you advocate just ain't gonna happen.

    Further, most change occurs incrementally. What I have advocated would take us closer to your ideal, thus perhaps setting the stage for a peaceful transition to something closer to what you advocate. That last statement, is exactly the argument that right wingers would use against what I advocate.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Jul 10, 2012, at 5:34 PM
  • News you said "Even Empires can crumble without the People ever firing a shot.

    Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi

    Martin Luther King, Jr."

    For all the great works that those two magnificent people did pacifically, neither brought a one class society to their countries. India remains mired in a rigid caste system, and more African Americans are stuck at the bottom of our three tier system than any other group.

    I do not find your point relevant as a counter to my statement regarding one class systems resulting from bloody revolutions.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Jul 11, 2012, at 12:17 PM
  • The Actions being taken in a lot of the Countries of the World ,will have to happen here in the USA, in the same manner, no if ands or buts about it! Our own Hillary will have too kill a lot of us to succeed! That's way i see NO change unless the People wake up, and see how the Politicians are taking over ! They think we are silly and don't care what we think or say,can't you see it? The People have lost their will too rebel,SAD!!!

    -- Posted by Jo on Wed, Jul 11, 2012, at 11:27 PM

    -- Posted by Jo on Wed, Jul 11, 2012, at 11:47 PM
  • I think this thread is one of our better discussions regarding content, and the icing on the cake is that there has been no name calling!

    IMHO of course. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Jul 12, 2012, at 12:11 PM
  • PARLIMENTRY PROCEEDURE IN WASHINGTON IS BROKEN! iT'S A BIG JOKE! They have the Deck stacked against the People with their Procedures. We have lost any say about any decisions made,we have the illusion we do, but, NO! There has too be Leadership in any Society, that's Natural! WE the People are the Boss,and should have more say with what go's on! So what we have now is a bunch of clowns that tells us what we want. And we as a Boss should have the option of removal at any time,with force if necessary! None of this nonsense of the continual Legal Battles! Democracy has been bought and Paid for! So if things don't change,whats left, but Rebellion? Your the **** Boss! I don't care what Party it is!

    -- Posted by Jo on Thu, Jul 12, 2012, at 2:20 PM
  • News, the People won't demand, nor will the GOP demand anything be done! And the People will still Vote for this American S.O.B! They don't care about the Law,they (ARE) the Law!So they have us by the short hair's again! Bush & Cheney are still walking free! If they can get away with what they did, and Kill that many of our Men & Woman the Government Stinks, and a big majority of the American People has NO Empathy or Morel's to let these Moron's run lose! But they will take care of their own,and that's wrong! New System,this one can't be fixed with out a lot of Bloodshed

    -- Posted by Jo on Thu, Jul 12, 2012, at 10:47 PM
  • I have been reading this thread with great interest. All I have to offer at the moment is a side bar.

    This thread should dispel once and for all that liberals, progressives, leftists, call 'em what you want, are in lock step, spouting the party line. Obviously we can think for ourselves, and for different reasons arrive at a similiar bottom line.

    I would love to see such a discussion among conservatives, regressives, rightists, call 'em what you want, but I don't think that there is enough diversity in that political wing to carry it off. I would love to have that opinion disproven. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Jul 12, 2012, at 11:40 PM
  • Nice post SD, worthy of what has proceeded it on this thread. :)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Jul 13, 2012, at 10:34 AM
  • ND it is astounding that Romney, the epitome of the "Wall Street" villains that folks have learned to love to hate, is a viable candidate for President of the United States. This is a man with multiple luxury homes valued at over twenty million dollars, a man who has gamed the system for years to become fantastically wealthy. This is a man that not only sent American jobs over seas, but gutted, and wrecked American companies in the process. It is he, and men like him who are directly responsible for the industrial ghost towns in cities all over America.

    Then he takes his ill gotten gains, stashing them in the Cayman Islands, and in secret Swiss bank accounts.

    Wait a minute folks, isn't that a guy just like all the other greedy fat cats that we profess to hate? How in the hell did he become the darling of blue collar voters in America? Have they totally lost their senses?

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Jul 13, 2012, at 11:03 AM
  • The questions in my last comment were rhetorical. I have lived long enough to know that a lot people not only betray themselves often in their public choices, but also in their private lives. It is sad that heart ache is not a symptom experienced by many such folk. If it was perhaps they would seek a cure for their disease.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Jul 13, 2012, at 11:22 AM
  • Well said all you guys!

    -- Posted by Jo on Fri, Jul 13, 2012, at 12:58 PM
  • @Smartdog,


    -- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, Jul 13, 2012, at 2:52 PM
  • There will be no opportunity in Oklahoma to vote for the Green Party candidate. It is the Republican candidate or Obama (who did not win a single county in the state last time). The presidential election in Oklahoma is a meaningless mockery.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Jul 14, 2012, at 10:56 PM
  • Yes News, and there's the rub. That antiquated relic, the electoral college causes folks from all over the country to be disenfranchised election after election. The effect has gotten worse as the country becomes more polarized... but then you know that my friend, thanks for giving me the opportunity to express it again, joining Jo's voice in his frequent criticism of the electoral college. :)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Jul 15, 2012, at 12:58 PM
  • The skeletons rattle their bones, and sleaze just keeps oozing out of Mitt's closet. I don't know how much more the far right can stand before they run away from him shrieking in horror. Get this one; he made money from investing in a fetus disposal company. http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/07/romney-invested-in-a-fetus-disposal-company...

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Jul 16, 2012, at 12:14 AM
  • It seems to me that the religious fundamentalists at this point should think hard as to the question is Romney the servant of God, or Mammon?

    There is just too much evidence for them to ignore any longer.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Jul 16, 2012, at 6:36 PM
  • Great stuff SD. Unfortunately those that should read it won't. I am hopeful that somehow the program will hang on until 2014, and perhaps even get an improvement or two.

    It's said that even a blind pig will find an acorn once in a while. I think a stupid pig doesn't know the difference between an acorn, and a rock. Thus it will die of starvation with a full stomach. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Jul 17, 2012, at 2:12 PM
  • SD ...to say nothing of the degree to which Eisenhower, and Nixon would be apalled.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Jul 18, 2012, at 5:17 PM
  • Richard Nixon's parents struggled to provide for their children. One of Richard's brothers died of tuberculosis. Nixon was bitter that the family couldn't afford medical care for him. He proposed a national health insurance program in 1974. The following link: http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/stories/2009/september/03/nixon-proposal.aspx

    -- Posted by upsedaisy on Wed, Jul 18, 2012, at 11:43 PM
  • We used to have a type of interesting candidate, and/or president that we may never have again. Lyndon Johnson, and Richard Nixon, I believe are the last of the not pretty presidents.

    Still the beauty contest winners today are not satisied, or perhaps I should say not satisfying, regardless, one leads to the other; thus they spend more time in makeup than half of the working women in America. To be re-elected, indeed even to maintain the allegiance of the masses, they must present a pleasing physical presence. Thus, the most important polls to them are the ones that measure their Q factor, and I don't mean quality.

    The hand writing was on the wall, I should say screen, during the nineteen sixty presidential campaign. As the first John F. Kennedy versus Richard M. Nixon debates, televised, and on radio transpired, it was determined by polling that Nixon had won the debate as determined by the ears of the listening radio audience, but Kennedy had won in the eyes of the television audience. Interestingly Nixon had scorned the pancake make up used in the early days of black and white television. He had appeared haggard on television, and a villainous black five 'o clock shadow stood out in a striking manner. It was over.

    Surprisingly we had not seen the last of Nixon, though he said himself, after losing the 1960 presidential contest, and engaging in a moribund failed follow up contention for governor of California, "you don't have Nixon to kick around any more".


    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Jul 19, 2012, at 1:32 PM
  • When i say the entire System has to be changed,that's a big order! But i feel that would be necessary to accomplish Honesty and fairness,it is so geared to the way (they) want things done. Its way over the intellect of even the smartest of Americans, with all the in and outs of the Political Procedures! And if they have enough evidence that Romney has Committed a Felony, were is the Indictment, the same with Bush & Cheney! When you have Professional Politicians staying in Office Year after year, they can perfect the System in their favor.Regardless of what they want too do! We need more control over what Bill's are Passed, they don't even read them,they all think with one Brain, so what kind of Government is that? The Package they receive when Elected to Office! Their Health Care should be NO different then ours? Money should not be relevant to any Election,but it is! What does that say about the Electorate? The System Stinks unless we demand more Control over things! I'm rambling,but in my opinion the People are screwed unless we decent from all this nonsense!!

    -- Posted by Jo on Thu, Jul 19, 2012, at 2:46 PM

    One of our great American tragedies occured less than a year before the 1964 election, the assassination of President Kennedy. Lyndon B. Johnson, and Richard M. Nixon both profited politically from the tragedy; Johnson because he had been relegated to a minor role by the Kennedy clan, and after four more years in the shadows, had Kennedy lived, likely would not have ever ascended to out nations highest office. Nixon recieved a new lease on political life, with his photogenic nemesis gone forever. After Johnson rolled over Barry Goldwater in 1964, partly because Johnson took advantage of the nation's protracted grief with his "let us continue" campaign embracing Kennedy's ghost, and partly because of a devastating negative television advertising campaign, portraying Goldwater as a danger to world peace.

    Johnson suffered from his tragic mistakes regarding Viet Nam, and decided not to run again. Our nation, and especially the Democratic Party were torn apart.

    Nixon was not given the opportunity to engage in the ugly man contest with Johnson. The other Kennedy, his likely opponent, was assassinated. At this point the only thing that would allow an ugly man to become President was an even uglier campaign, and nomination process by the opposing party. Assassination, convention riots of a magnitude never seen, and hatred of factions within the Democratic party for each other would have allowed Frankenstein's monster to succeed to the Presidency. Nixon had it made, and won in 1968.

    Of course he had his own problems in the future, which set his place in history as the last ugly president America was to have.


    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Jul 19, 2012, at 5:07 PM
  • news

    Based on the photo, it would have to be a very, very small family it is going to replace the family fossil fuel burner. From the picture it looks like it could fit maybe 2 adults comfortably. I am not that knowledgeable on the subject so, is the technology for this car identical to a car that would hold 5 people? We have 6 in our family, I know for sure that unless my kids were very small, it wouldn't be for us even if it could go 1000 miles.

    -- Posted by inthemiddle on Thu, Jul 19, 2012, at 9:37 PM
  • You know back at the time Johnson made that speech about not running again for the Presidency gave me the sense that he was fed up with the same System i'm talking about not just the War and all the protest. But just the disgust of having to deal with all the inside bickering! I always felt he didn't think we should be there anyway! Maybe that's wrong, but i got that impression! I did like his tough statements he made.I don't think he was a man any of them in Washington could push around,but i didn't keep up with thing at the time! But did make a lot of judgements on them! I liked Truman & Patton,MacArthur,Eisenhower,King,and many others! They had guts and Honor! In my opinion these guys were Men that took care of the Country's reputation, not these little crooked fools we have put in office now! Disgraceful! The World hates us, and we won't last long like this and everyone knows it !!!

    -- Posted by Jo on Thu, Jul 19, 2012, at 9:38 PM
  • I agree Jo - the trouble is there are a whole line of fools waiting in the wings to be groomed and prepared to take their place. sad to say - but I believe that everything is fixed, and we can't change it. When we're overrun by foreigners - maybe then we'll rise up and make some changes - take back control from the elite few who run things from their lofty perches. Until then - it's a crap shoot.

    -- Posted by gentle ben on Fri, Jul 20, 2012, at 10:18 AM
  • I had been thinking about taking to the mountains and building a cabin inside of a stockade and just sitting it out ... Then I remembered what happened at Ruby Ridge and Waco and realized it doesn't matter how you try to protect yourself, it's probably all in vain. Note of interest: I actually saw a law enforcement produced video of the attack on Waco that plainly showed one of the officers shoot himself in the leg and another being shot by one of his own people while entering the house. Those wounds were the ones used to justify the gassing and burning of the "compound". Go figure.

    By the way, if you don't hear from me for awhile - send out a search party.

    -- Posted by gentle ben on Fri, Jul 20, 2012, at 10:25 AM
  • Attimes I think of life through the words of songs and/or poetry. Lately I've been reminded of these words of wisdom from the late Mark Heard ... From his Second Hand album ...

    It's the demolition derby

    It's the thrill of the hunt

    It's the proud tribe in full war-dance

    It's the slow smile that the bully gives the runt ...

    It's these sandpaper eyes

    It's the way they rub the lustre from what is seen

    It's the way we tell ourselves that all these things are normal

    Till we can't remember what we mean ...

    It's the flicker of our flames

    It's the friction born of living

    It's the way we beat a hot retreat

    And heave our smoking guns into the river ...

    It's the quick-step march of history

    The vanity of nations

    It's the way there'll be no muffled drums

    To mark the passage of my generation ...

    It's the children of my children

    It's the lambs born in innocence

    It's wondering if the good I know

    Will last to be seen by the eyes of the little ones ...

    Sometimes it feels like bars of steel I cannot bend with my hands ...

    -- Posted by gentle ben on Fri, Jul 20, 2012, at 10:40 AM
  • Good to see you back GB. The thought just occured to me that maybe I have become "The Walmart Greeter" at these blogs; LOL at least my age is right.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Jul 20, 2012, at 11:52 AM
  • A strong economic recovery is nigh impossible as long as the dead weight of the housing bubble continues to run unabated. Upside down homeowners for the most part are doggedly making their payments, for now, but are left with little to help us consume our way out out of our doldrums. There is a lack of robust reaction to the problem from a timid President, a do nothing congress, and Wall Street entities not willing to make any concessions.

    A possible solution to the problem may be at hand. At the least it may force the hand of all the above mentioned to actually do something. Cities, and counties could use eminent domain to condemn the blighted properties, buy them at fair market value, then sell them back to the original owners at fair market value.

    Read the link to see the details as to how it would work. The idea has promise. http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/from-an-unlikely-source-a-se...

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Jul 21, 2012, at 11:01 PM
  • A tribute to the radical writer Alexander Cockburn who has just died. He was an inspiration to all who try to get the truth out; including all of us who strive to do so on small country blogs. http://www.thenation.com/blog/168996/alexander-cockburn-and-radical-power-word#

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Jul 21, 2012, at 11:28 PM
  • Evenin' ND. :)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Jul 21, 2012, at 11:31 PM
  • Thanks NA for reminding us all of the continuing carnage caused by our largely forgotten Iraq crusade. What a bitter irony that since the fall of Hussein in 2003 recent reporting indicates that their overall Christian population may have dropped by as much as fifty percent.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Jul 22, 2012, at 3:44 PM
  • How can the People sit and watch these Politicians keep turning down the suggestion of getting started on the Infrastructure of this Country? Wouldn't that be an obvious thing to do for starter's? This is one of the thing's i can't grasp! We should be in the streets when these kinds of things happen! I say we, even myself and the rest of the Seniors that can still move,were not dead yet, and should go down fighting, if necessary! There's a lot of us who are just getting by and that's not right! We helped build this Country and they want us to go out like this! Its nuts to have S.O.B Representing us?

    -- Posted by Jo on Sun, Jul 22, 2012, at 5:34 PM
  • Seems their back on the Gun Law's again! I wonder if they would find that this kid did this because of the way our Government is doing thing,bring the Nation too it's knees! With what i have heard from the news the kid was a very gifted guy,and working at McDonalds. Maybe he felt he had NO future.If this was the case, do you think the Government would encourage the News Media make it out too be he's Nut's, or it's the Gun Law's? No way it could be these stinking Politicians and the way this Country is run,and they just snap? I'm sure it will be blamed on something other than the Politician's & the System! But their actions are not on the right targets, maybe? either way it's a tragic thing!

    -- Posted by Jo on Mon, Jul 23, 2012, at 2:35 AM
  • More than one hundred killed in a wave of attacks across Iraq. It is thought to be a joint effort by Al Quaeda of Iraq, and Sunni militants who do not like the Shiite dominated government's alliance with Iran.

    Lets see, we definitely hate Al Quaeda in Iraq, but then we also definitely hate Iran. We don't like any allies of Iran, so we can't like the Shiite government of Iraq.

    So, let's just keep it simple, and hate everyone in Iraq. What in God's name have we wrought? When will we ever learn? http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/07/23/12897673-wave-of-attacks-kills-mor...

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Jul 23, 2012, at 1:06 PM
  • SD Romney pursued a course common to many young men during the Viet Nam period. He piggy backed a college deferment (3 yrs.) on a Mormon missionary deferment (2 1/2 yrs.), then drew a high number in the draft lottery, and consequently was never called to service. http://2012.presidential-candidates.org/Romney/Military.php

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Jul 23, 2012, at 6:44 PM
  • It wasn't only rich kids that dodged Vietnam NA. A hell of a lot of us did, many of us thought it an immoral war built on lies, and did all we could to avoid it. I was called a communist more than once in Marshall. By the way I can say that never did I malign, nor disrespect those who did go. I used to buy beers for the poor draftees training at Ft. Leonard, when they came to Columbia on weekend pass. I felt very sorry for their misfortune, i. e. being sucked up by an immoral war machine.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Jul 23, 2012, at 6:55 PM
  • You have a point News. That was one of the things that enraged me. I looked at the sons of Congress, etc, and saw no surge of patriotism there. As a matter of fact nearly, if not every one of the things that enraged me about our middle eastern mess, enraged me back then.

    As the middle east ramped up, in a fleeting moment of naivete' I thought how can we be doing the same thing again so soon after the tragedy of Viet Nam. Then a bitter reflective inner chuckle occured as I thought back on my thoughts after Nam ended, I had said as horrid as that was, at least it will be a long time before we will enter again into such a devilish tragedy. Yeh right.

    Actually I began to become paranoid about wars again, as I watched Reagan launch his little wars, thinking this is not necessary. A bit later, after Panama, OMG, these are tests to see if the American people will yet stand for another big one. I have seen nothing since to dissuade me of that opinion. Endless war is an ally of fascism. Sad to say, I agree with your refrain, we have become a fascist nation. I wish it were not so.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Jul 24, 2012, at 12:33 AM
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