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"Iraq: After the Americans"

http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/faul...

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Jul 30, 2012, at 4:08 PM

Anymore, the hypocrisy of neoliberalism and its devotes fails to shock me.

One thing that neoliberals cling to, even more than their Bibles and guns, is their own hidden agenda which bares no resemblance to their claimed "moral values."

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Jul 28, 2012, at 6:49 PM

You gotta love conservatives.

And apparently you won't be the only one.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/27/us/str...

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Sat, Jul 28, 2012, at 1:24 PM

"Why so many communist philosophers?"

"The destructive nature of neoliberalism has prompted many philosophers to reconsider communist ideas."

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion...

Excellent!!

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Jul 25, 2012, at 10:00 PM

"Expanding Medicaid cuts death rates, study finds"

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/48326394/ns/...

Well, isn't that interesting.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Jul 25, 2012, at 8:40 PM

Smart Dog

Excellent point!

Perhaps Ro-money should clarify his position before the election?

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Jul 24, 2012, at 7:19 PM

From my research, it appears that Mitt recieved Conscientous Objector status, following dropping out of Stanford after one year, for his Missionary work in Paris.

He returned to the god old USA once his lottery number hit 300 in 1969.

So how does that Conscientous Objector status jive with being Commander in Chief?

Perhaps OKR's dreams will come true. Once Mitt wins in November, we will be in no more wars as we will have a riteous man who objects to war on moral grounds as our Commander in Chief.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Tue, Jul 24, 2012, at 6:12 PM

You have a point News. That was one of the things that enraged me. I looked at the sons of Congress, etc, and saw no surge of patriotism there. As a matter of fact nearly, if not every one of the things that enraged me about our middle eastern mess, enraged me back then.

As the middle east ramped up, in a fleeting moment of naivete' I thought how can we be doing the same thing again so soon after the tragedy of Viet Nam. Then a bitter reflective inner chuckle occured as I thought back on my thoughts after Nam ended, I had said as horrid as that was, at least it will be a long time before we will enter again into such a devilish tragedy. Yeh right.

Actually I began to become paranoid about wars again, as I watched Reagan launch his little wars, thinking this is not necessary. A bit later, after Panama, OMG, these are tests to see if the American people will yet stand for another big one. I have seen nothing since to dissuade me of that opinion. Endless war is an ally of fascism. Sad to say, I agree with your refrain, we have become a fascist nation. I wish it were not so.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Jul 24, 2012, at 12:33 AM

Oh and OKR,

I think those rich boys were not motivated by any lofty ideals in their avoidance of serving their country. I think their motivation had far less to do with any moral concerns and far more to do with simple cowardice.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Jul 23, 2012, at 10:40 PM

Oklahoma Reader

Yeah I know Ft Leonard Wood...I know it well. I had both my basic training and my AIT at "Fort Lost in the Woods."

Your comment reminded me of a fella I knew in Marshall back in '69. He couldn't wait to join up and go off to 'nam. The problem was that he was overweight and so much so that the best he could hope for was a seat on the Group W bench. So he worked hard to lose that extra weight. He dieted, worked out everyday religiously, and he quit driving for awhile, jogging everywhere he went. In fact he used to jog up Montague Hill everyday. If you have ever walked or ridden a bike up that hill, you know its a whole lot harder than it looks. But even Montague Hill couldn't break him. I had to kinda admire his determination. I don't recall if he was successful in his endeavor, but I suspect he made it to 'nam.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Jul 23, 2012, at 8:19 PM

It wasn't only rich kids that dodged Vietnam NA. A hell of a lot of us did, many of us thought it an immoral war built on lies, and did all we could to avoid it. I was called a communist more than once in Marshall. By the way I can say that never did I malign, nor disrespect those who did go. I used to buy beers for the poor draftees training at Ft. Leonard, when they came to Columbia on weekend pass. I felt very sorry for their misfortune, i. e. being sucked up by an immoral war machine.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Jul 23, 2012, at 6:55 PM

SD Romney pursued a course common to many young men during the Viet Nam period. He piggy backed a college deferment (3 yrs.) on a Mormon missionary deferment (2 1/2 yrs.), then drew a high number in the draft lottery, and consequently was never called to service. http://2012.presidential-candidates.org/...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Jul 23, 2012, at 6:44 PM

Smart Dog.

Rich folks kids did not go to Vietnam...with just a few exceptions who volunteered to go despite the fact that they didn't have to go -- such as Vice President Al Gore.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Jul 23, 2012, at 6:35 PM

Oklahoma Reader

Let's not forget there was no al qaeda in Iraq until we, without any provocation and without a declaration of war, brutally invaded their nation.

I believe one thing is for sure, those folks will hate our American guts for many generations to come.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Jul 23, 2012, at 6:31 PM

More than one hundred killed in a wave of attacks across Iraq. It is thought to be a joint effort by Al Quaeda of Iraq, and Sunni militants who do not like the Shiite dominated government's alliance with Iran.

Lets see, we definitely hate Al Quaeda in Iraq, but then we also definitely hate Iran. We don't like any allies of Iran, so we can't like the Shiite government of Iraq.

So, let's just keep it simple, and hate everyone in Iraq. What in God's name have we wrought? When will we ever learn? http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Jul 23, 2012, at 1:06 PM

So, speaking of politics.

Isn't Mitt Romney of Vietnam draft age?

I don't see any military service on his record, so how'd he keep from getting drafted?

Hey, if the birthers can still run ads expecting to get mileage, then how 'bout we ask Mitt to see his draft status upon graduation from high school?

Along with those "top secret" tax returns, also.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Mon, Jul 23, 2012, at 11:45 AM

Seems their back on the Gun Law's again! I wonder if they would find that this kid did this because of the way our Government is doing thing,bring the Nation too it's knees! With what i have heard from the news the kid was a very gifted guy,and working at McDonalds. Maybe he felt he had NO future.If this was the case, do you think the Government would encourage the News Media make it out too be he's Nut's, or it's the Gun Law's? No way it could be these stinking Politicians and the way this Country is run,and they just snap? I'm sure it will be blamed on something other than the Politician's & the System! But their actions are not on the right targets, maybe? either way it's a tragic thing!

-- Posted by Jo on Mon, Jul 23, 2012, at 2:35 AM

How can the People sit and watch these Politicians keep turning down the suggestion of getting started on the Infrastructure of this Country? Wouldn't that be an obvious thing to do for starter's? This is one of the thing's i can't grasp! We should be in the streets when these kinds of things happen! I say we, even myself and the rest of the Seniors that can still move,were not dead yet, and should go down fighting, if necessary! There's a lot of us who are just getting by and that's not right! We helped build this Country and they want us to go out like this! Its nuts to have S.O.B Representing us?

-- Posted by Jo on Sun, Jul 22, 2012, at 5:34 PM

Thanks NA for reminding us all of the continuing carnage caused by our largely forgotten Iraq crusade. What a bitter irony that since the fall of Hussein in 2003 recent reporting indicates that their overall Christian population may have dropped by as much as fifty percent.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Jul 22, 2012, at 3:44 PM

"Bombs kill 20 and wound 80 across Iraq"

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/48277439/ns/...

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Jul 22, 2012, at 3:01 PM

Evenin' ND. :)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Jul 21, 2012, at 11:31 PM

A tribute to the radical writer Alexander Cockburn who has just died. He was an inspiration to all who try to get the truth out; including all of us who strive to do so on small country blogs. http://www.thenation.com/blog/168996/ale...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Jul 21, 2012, at 11:28 PM

A strong economic recovery is nigh impossible as long as the dead weight of the housing bubble continues to run unabated. Upside down homeowners for the most part are doggedly making their payments, for now, but are left with little to help us consume our way out out of our doldrums. There is a lack of robust reaction to the problem from a timid President, a do nothing congress, and Wall Street entities not willing to make any concessions.

A possible solution to the problem may be at hand. At the least it may force the hand of all the above mentioned to actually do something. Cities, and counties could use eminent domain to condemn the blighted properties, buy them at fair market value, then sell them back to the original owners at fair market value.

Read the link to see the details as to how it would work. The idea has promise. http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blo...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Jul 21, 2012, at 11:01 PM

"Fox & Friends Deceptively Edits Obama's Comments On Small Business"

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2012/07/16/...

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Jul 20, 2012, at 10:07 PM

Smart Dog

Perhaps you should direct that question to the folks who vote for the nut-cases.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Jul 20, 2012, at 9:36 PM

Does that make them legit nutcases?

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Fri, Jul 20, 2012, at 5:03 PM

"Top tea partier demands Obama prove he doesn't smoke crack and have gay sex"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/07/20/to...

America faces some of its greatest challenges ever and we have nut-cases parading around as legit.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Jul 20, 2012, at 2:32 PM

Good song, Gentle Ben. Buddy Miller has a remake that gets played on tripple A radio now and then.

I agree with both you and Jo, we are not headed in a very good direction, and I ain't talking about Obama.

We have so co-mingled politics into every little dang thing, mixxed with a healthy dose of religion, to the point that most people are po'd about something most of the time.

Politicians kind of like it that way. From my poly sci education. "When you are out of power, you want the voters to HATE the government. Then you offer the alternative."

Trouble is, once you get elected, you need an immediate, effective PR (bs, really) campaign to convince the great unwashed masses that now it is OK to LOVE the government.

But, if you are really, really good at the first one, you ain't going to have much luck with the second, and next thing you know everybody hates everybody and you have the political instability we have now.

Sadly, the jobs pay so well that many politicians can't keep themselves from lying, backstabbing, and cheating to get in. Politics in America is now the biggest 'get rich quick' scheme since medical schools were invented.

For example. How can John Boehner make somewhere around $150,000 per year as a congressman, then get a promotion in 2010 to speaker at $223,000 per year, and afford to donate $4,100,000 to his buddies to get them elected?

I mean, the pay for a congressman is pretty good, but apparently becoming one makes you a multi-millionaire, even though the job pays slightly more than what a school superintendent in a big district, or a mid level manager in a big corporation, makes.

Where'd he get all that money?

Oh, I know, from "investments," right?

Yeah, that's the ticket. But what's he going to do now that insider trading by congressmen is illegal?

Must be those businesses he runs on the side, eh? But wait, aren't us taxpayers paying him for a full time job already? Are we getting our money's worth?

Never mind, like Will Rogers said, "Be thankful you aren't getting all the government you are paying for."

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Fri, Jul 20, 2012, at 12:22 PM

Good to see you back GB. The thought just occured to me that maybe I have become "The Walmart Greeter" at these blogs; LOL at least my age is right.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Jul 20, 2012, at 11:52 AM

Attimes I think of life through the words of songs and/or poetry. Lately I've been reminded of these words of wisdom from the late Mark Heard ... From his Second Hand album ...

It's the demolition derby

It's the thrill of the hunt

It's the proud tribe in full war-dance

It's the slow smile that the bully gives the runt ...

It's these sandpaper eyes

It's the way they rub the lustre from what is seen

It's the way we tell ourselves that all these things are normal

Till we can't remember what we mean ...

It's the flicker of our flames

It's the friction born of living

It's the way we beat a hot retreat

And heave our smoking guns into the river ...

It's the quick-step march of history

The vanity of nations

It's the way there'll be no muffled drums

To mark the passage of my generation ...

It's the children of my children

It's the lambs born in innocence

It's wondering if the good I know

Will last to be seen by the eyes of the little ones ...

Sometimes it feels like bars of steel I cannot bend with my hands ...

-- Posted by gentle ben on Fri, Jul 20, 2012, at 10:40 AM

I had been thinking about taking to the mountains and building a cabin inside of a stockade and just sitting it out ... Then I remembered what happened at Ruby Ridge and Waco and realized it doesn't matter how you try to protect yourself, it's probably all in vain. Note of interest: I actually saw a law enforcement produced video of the attack on Waco that plainly showed one of the officers shoot himself in the leg and another being shot by one of his own people while entering the house. Those wounds were the ones used to justify the gassing and burning of the "compound". Go figure.

By the way, if you don't hear from me for awhile - send out a search party.

-- Posted by gentle ben on Fri, Jul 20, 2012, at 10:25 AM

I agree Jo - the trouble is there are a whole line of fools waiting in the wings to be groomed and prepared to take their place. sad to say - but I believe that everything is fixed, and we can't change it. When we're overrun by foreigners - maybe then we'll rise up and make some changes - take back control from the elite few who run things from their lofty perches. Until then - it's a crap shoot.

-- Posted by gentle ben on Fri, Jul 20, 2012, at 10:18 AM

"Republican fundraiser charged with kidnapping, raping multiple women"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/07/19/re...

Why is it these days we seem to see a lot of headlines like this one...and its always some crazy conservative.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Jul 20, 2012, at 2:59 AM

You know back at the time Johnson made that speech about not running again for the Presidency gave me the sense that he was fed up with the same System i'm talking about not just the War and all the protest. But just the disgust of having to deal with all the inside bickering! I always felt he didn't think we should be there anyway! Maybe that's wrong, but i got that impression! I did like his tough statements he made.I don't think he was a man any of them in Washington could push around,but i didn't keep up with thing at the time! But did make a lot of judgements on them! I liked Truman & Patton,MacArthur,Eisenhower,King,and many others! They had guts and Honor! In my opinion these guys were Men that took care of the Country's reputation, not these little crooked fools we have put in office now! Disgraceful! The World hates us, and we won't last long like this and everyone knows it !!!

-- Posted by Jo on Thu, Jul 19, 2012, at 9:38 PM

news

Based on the photo, it would have to be a very, very small family it is going to replace the family fossil fuel burner. From the picture it looks like it could fit maybe 2 adults comfortably. I am not that knowledgeable on the subject so, is the technology for this car identical to a car that would hold 5 people? We have 6 in our family, I know for sure that unless my kids were very small, it wouldn't be for us even if it could go 1000 miles.

-- Posted by inthemiddle on Thu, Jul 19, 2012, at 9:37 PM

PART TWO

One of our great American tragedies occured less than a year before the 1964 election, the assassination of President Kennedy. Lyndon B. Johnson, and Richard M. Nixon both profited politically from the tragedy; Johnson because he had been relegated to a minor role by the Kennedy clan, and after four more years in the shadows, had Kennedy lived, likely would not have ever ascended to out nations highest office. Nixon recieved a new lease on political life, with his photogenic nemesis gone forever. After Johnson rolled over Barry Goldwater in 1964, partly because Johnson took advantage of the nation's protracted grief with his "let us continue" campaign embracing Kennedy's ghost, and partly because of a devastating negative television advertising campaign, portraying Goldwater as a danger to world peace.

Johnson suffered from his tragic mistakes regarding Viet Nam, and decided not to run again. Our nation, and especially the Democratic Party were torn apart.

Nixon was not given the opportunity to engage in the ugly man contest with Johnson. The other Kennedy, his likely opponent, was assassinated. At this point the only thing that would allow an ugly man to become President was an even uglier campaign, and nomination process by the opposing party. Assassination, convention riots of a magnitude never seen, and hatred of factions within the Democratic party for each other would have allowed Frankenstein's monster to succeed to the Presidency. Nixon had it made, and won in 1968.

Of course he had his own problems in the future, which set his place in history as the last ugly president America was to have.

END OF PART TWO

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Jul 19, 2012, at 5:07 PM

When i say the entire System has to be changed,that's a big order! But i feel that would be necessary to accomplish Honesty and fairness,it is so geared to the way (they) want things done. Its way over the intellect of even the smartest of Americans, with all the in and outs of the Political Procedures! And if they have enough evidence that Romney has Committed a Felony, were is the Indictment, the same with Bush & Cheney! When you have Professional Politicians staying in Office Year after year, they can perfect the System in their favor.Regardless of what they want too do! We need more control over what Bill's are Passed, they don't even read them,they all think with one Brain, so what kind of Government is that? The Package they receive when Elected to Office! Their Health Care should be NO different then ours? Money should not be relevant to any Election,but it is! What does that say about the Electorate? The System Stinks unless we demand more Control over things! I'm rambling,but in my opinion the People are screwed unless we decent from all this nonsense!!

-- Posted by Jo on Thu, Jul 19, 2012, at 2:46 PM

We used to have a type of interesting candidate, and/or president that we may never have again. Lyndon Johnson, and Richard Nixon, I believe are the last of the not pretty presidents.

Still the beauty contest winners today are not satisied, or perhaps I should say not satisfying, regardless, one leads to the other; thus they spend more time in makeup than half of the working women in America. To be re-elected, indeed even to maintain the allegiance of the masses, they must present a pleasing physical presence. Thus, the most important polls to them are the ones that measure their Q factor, and I don't mean quality.

The hand writing was on the wall, I should say screen, during the nineteen sixty presidential campaign. As the first John F. Kennedy versus Richard M. Nixon debates, televised, and on radio transpired, it was determined by polling that Nixon had won the debate as determined by the ears of the listening radio audience, but Kennedy had won in the eyes of the television audience. Interestingly Nixon had scorned the pancake make up used in the early days of black and white television. He had appeared haggard on television, and a villainous black five 'o clock shadow stood out in a striking manner. It was over.

Surprisingly we had not seen the last of Nixon, though he said himself, after losing the 1960 presidential contest, and engaging in a moribund failed follow up contention for governor of California, "you don't have Nixon to kick around any more".

END OF PART ONE

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Jul 19, 2012, at 1:32 PM

upsedaisy

President Nixon had quite a number of good ideas.

In fact, I found him to be a very complex man. When He attended Duke University He was not accepted into any of the fraternities on campus because he came up in life the hard way he and his family worked for a living. And with hard work he started his own fraternity for the other fellas on campus who also worked for a living. Their trademark was the lack of a tie. The rich-boy frats all wore ties. Today, the fraternity he started is the largest and most prestigious fraternity on Duke's campus.

Despite some of his more questionable decisions, he also had a lot of good in his heart.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Jul 19, 2012, at 1:40 AM

Richard Nixon's parents struggled to provide for their children. One of Richard's brothers died of tuberculosis. Nixon was bitter that the family couldn't afford medical care for him. He proposed a national health insurance program in 1974. The following link: http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/stories/...

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Wed, Jul 18, 2012, at 11:43 PM

SD ...to say nothing of the degree to which Eisenhower, and Nixon would be apalled.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Jul 18, 2012, at 5:17 PM

Smart Dog

I agree with you 100% mate.

Millions of Americans are coming around to understanding just how radically dangerous the Republican Party has become, and in fact today "Republican" has become synonymous with "Racist."

By remaining vigilant and united, We the People can and will lead America back to her rightful place on that hill as the World's shining beacon of freedom and democracy.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Jul 18, 2012, at 5:13 PM

I think we would love it also, if we could quit arguing about who gets to take credit for it and actually implement a single payer system.

I recall reading about how republicans thought Medicare was a bad idea when first voted on in the mid 60's. It was branded as bad for business, too costly for the government, and, yes, "socialist."

Turns out that about 10 years later, polls showed it was the most popular government program in history, and was regarded as a extremely successful, even health care providers loved it (for obvious reasons, now they got paid to care for old, poor folks).

The GOP got egg on their faces, as if Watergate didn't do enough of that already, as they had been such staunch opponents of Medicare, and of the expansion of Medicare in the early 70's, and here it was, successful. Sort of made them sound like they were somewhat out of touch, eh?

So I think the problem today is that the GOP now fears that the Affordable Care Act will turn out to be similarily popular, and they will again look like fools for opposing it. Thus the desperation to get control of both houses of congress and get the presidency so they can overturn "Obamacare." Then, amazingly, they will propose their own system, which according to Mitt is the same system, but it will be their idea.

Have winning elections become so important to Mr. Baker and his buddies running the RNC that they are willing to sacrifice lives and bankrupt Americans just to get it done?

Never mind, I already know the answer.

Reminds me of the GOP and their assurances that Bill Clinton's "Infrastructure Improvement Program" in the very early 90's was going to "bankrupt the country and ruin the economy," according to House Speaker Newt Gingrich.

Clinton's idea was to put 100,000 more police officers on the street, and 100,000 more teachers in classrooms with federal grant programs, along with reinvestment into bridges, roads, and public facilities. Turns out we had the biggest economic boom in the history of the USA in the 90's, following several serious recessions during the Reagan and Bush I years of the 80's.

So much of the rhetoric from the GOP in this election reminds me very much of those two previous "gloom and doom" campaigns to attempt to discredit democratic policies.

Problem is, the GOP is, once again, long on opinion and short on facts, kind of like the NYT article points out regarding the Affordable Care Act.

Speaking personally, it was this sort of GOP thinking that influenced my switch from voting Republican in the 80's and 90's to now. Today, this is not my fathers Republican party, I can assure you young folks out there of that.

Ronald Reagan, I believe, would be appalled at what his party has become.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Wed, Jul 18, 2012, at 12:05 PM

SD,

That op-ed piece in the NYT clearly demonstrates why America has fallen so far behind the rest of the World -- Americans are dumb. That is what the rest of the World thinks anyway.

I live in a country with real socialized healthcare.

We love it.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Jul 17, 2012, at 5:45 PM

Great stuff SD. Unfortunately those that should read it won't. I am hopeful that somehow the program will hang on until 2014, and perhaps even get an improvement or two.

It's said that even a blind pig will find an acorn once in a while. I think a stupid pig doesn't know the difference between an acorn, and a rock. Thus it will die of starvation with a full stomach. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Jul 17, 2012, at 2:12 PM

Here's some enlightening facts regarding the right wing attacks on the Affordable Care Act.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/16/opinio...

I believe the last line in the article sums things up nicely.

When was the last time somebody got elected "with the idea that too many people have insurance coverage" as the RNC now claims.

Apparently, if you can raise enough money, you can make it happen.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Tue, Jul 17, 2012, at 1:13 PM

It seems to me that the religious fundamentalists at this point should think hard as to the question is Romney the servant of God, or Mammon?

There is just too much evidence for them to ignore any longer.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Jul 16, 2012, at 6:36 PM

OKR,

OMG!!!

Frankly, at this point Mitt really should consider indefinitely suspending his Bid for the White House.

I understand Michelle Bachmann may still be interested in the job.

She may be crazy, but she's clean...ROTFLMAO!!!

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Jul 16, 2012, at 1:39 AM

The skeletons rattle their bones, and sleaze just keeps oozing out of Mitt's closet. I don't know how much more the far right can stand before they run away from him shrieking in horror. Get this one; he made money from investing in a fetus disposal company. http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/07/rom...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Jul 16, 2012, at 12:14 AM

What is Willard Mitt Romney hiding?

Why won't Willy release his long-form Tax Certificate and settle the controversy?

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Jul 15, 2012, at 4:30 PM

An Open Message to Mitt Romney from a voter:

RELEASE THE TAX CERTIFICATE!!

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Jul 15, 2012, at 3:30 PM

Yes News, and there's the rub. That antiquated relic, the electoral college causes folks from all over the country to be disenfranchised election after election. The effect has gotten worse as the country becomes more polarized... but then you know that my friend, thanks for giving me the opportunity to express it again, joining Jo's voice in his frequent criticism of the electoral college. :)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Jul 15, 2012, at 12:58 PM

Well OKR, don't all of Oklahoma's big whopping 7 electoral votes usually go to the Republican candidate?

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Jul 15, 2012, at 3:25 AM

"If we want to change the broken political system, what we need is not a new law or a new lobbying effort," Stein said. "We need a new, unbought political party that can put people of integrity into office."

Jill Stein

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Jul 15, 2012, at 3:05 AM

There will be no opportunity in Oklahoma to vote for the Green Party candidate. It is the Republican candidate or Obama (who did not win a single county in the state last time). The presidential election in Oklahoma is a meaningless mockery.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Jul 14, 2012, at 10:56 PM

"Jill Stein wins Green Party presidential nomination"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/07/14/ji...

Finally, a 3rd Party Candidate I can support.

WE DO NOT HAVE TO SETTLE FOR THE REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS ANYMORE! WE HAVE A 3RD CHOICE!

I will be supporting the Greens.

I am supporting Jill Stein for President.

Its time for a real change!

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Jul 14, 2012, at 7:57 PM

MITT ROMNEY, RELEASE THE TAX CERTIFICATE!!

And I do mean the long form -- the one with all the details.

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Jul 14, 2012, at 6:38 PM

Actually ND, he has already lied under oath (see his SEC filing which was signed under oath. There is no way any decent American would knowingly vote for a criminal candidate for President.

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Jul 14, 2012, at 3:57 PM

Of course, the solution to the Romneygate controversy is for Romney to answer the questions under oath.

Problem Solved!!

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Jul 13, 2012, at 6:35 PM

"Maddow: Romney's primary Bain defense has crumbled"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/07/13/ma...

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Jul 13, 2012, at 3:46 PM

@Smartdog,

Amen.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, Jul 13, 2012, at 2:52 PM

Well said all you guys!

-- Posted by Jo on Fri, Jul 13, 2012, at 12:58 PM

The questions in my last comment were rhetorical. I have lived long enough to know that a lot people not only betray themselves often in their public choices, but also in their private lives. It is sad that heart ache is not a symptom experienced by many such folk. If it was perhaps they would seek a cure for their disease.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Jul 13, 2012, at 11:22 AM

ND it is astounding that Romney, the epitome of the "Wall Street" villains that folks have learned to love to hate, is a viable candidate for President of the United States. This is a man with multiple luxury homes valued at over twenty million dollars, a man who has gamed the system for years to become fantastically wealthy. This is a man that not only sent American jobs over seas, but gutted, and wrecked American companies in the process. It is he, and men like him who are directly responsible for the industrial ghost towns in cities all over America.

Then he takes his ill gotten gains, stashing them in the Cayman Islands, and in secret Swiss bank accounts.

Wait a minute folks, isn't that a guy just like all the other greedy fat cats that we profess to hate? How in the hell did he become the darling of blue collar voters in America? Have they totally lost their senses?

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Jul 13, 2012, at 11:03 AM

Nice post SD, worthy of what has proceeded it on this thread. :)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Jul 13, 2012, at 10:34 AM

Well OKR, the GOP has been very, very good a narrowing all discussion to only what they want folks to say, think, and believe. That is sort of what makes them what they are; very, very good at winning elections.

Also, I think most moderates, or liberals for that matter, are the kind of folks who ask a lot of questions and dig for answers.

Conservatives seem to me to be comfortable getting the answers from the guy next to them, as long as they think that guy thinks the same things they do.

Gets back to my 'intuitives' vs. 'analytics' thing. Most conservatives, especially the Christian conservatives, are intuitives. Gut feel and "rule of thumb" are what informs their opinions and ideas.

Most athiests, and many liberals, tend to be analytics in my opinion. Seeking facts and data to analyze before coming to any kind of conclusion.

Kind of funny if you think about it, because we have this idea that liberals are all "touchy, feely, huggy, nurturers" and conservatives are all "stowic, staid, anaytics."

Turns out, if you look at studies done on the two groups of folks, those who consider themselves liberal or conservative, the opposite is actually true in contemporary society.

It's not hard to find sociological or psychological studies that have proven this generally true. Keep in mind that there are no absolutes, so there are many intuitive liberals and analytic conservatives, it is just that the majority of these folks fall into the opposite category.

This, in my opinion, comes from the GOP selling its self as the party of God. Christians, or those believing in any sort of spirituality, or mythology, tend to fall into the intuitive catgeory. Therefore, todays conservatives have become a group dominated by intuitive logic, not facts and data.

As atheists and agnostics tend to be analytics, relying on facts, data, analysis, and empirical evidence for thier beliefs, this means that you sort of automatically must be a democrat, since you can't be a republican athiest in this century.

I believe this somewhat leads to the turmoil we have in todays politics. What I have described really doesn't make much sense. One would think that hard nosed business men, fiscal conservatives, would be analytic personality types, and they probably are, but must put aside personal beliefs for the sake of supporting a political party which will aid their success in business.

This is what makes the modern GOP such an enigma. 60 years ago the thought of a bunch of touchy, feely, christians supporting conservative politics would be unusual. What I believe has occurred is the GOP has forced Christians to abandon the compassion and utopian ideals of Christianity for the sake of winning political battles regarding the things they have been told are important, like eliminating abortion.

The democrats? Well, like I have said many times. Today the words of Will Rogers still ring true, "I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat." It is the party of "everything else" that is not todays GOP/Christian/NRA/'Job Creator' alliance.

By the way (I am already rambling so why not) one of the saddest things in todays politics was the politicization of the NRA. What could be a club of like minded gun owners and sportsmen has turned into a giant business with terrific profits and gigantic salaries that is drunk on political power and influence. The NRA is now just another political action committee that utilizes fear and mistrust of the government to milk money from the working class to buy politicians. They (the NRA)have certainly been a bonus for the gun industry, obviously, but at a high cost to it's members in tax policy, and several other areas where supporting the NRA means supporting the 1%'ers.

Personally, as a fiscally conservative, socially liberal, gun owning, athiest I find I have no representation in todays system and really fundamentally do not agree with either party's methods or ideology.

In my world, folks who refuse to work even though they are able, and who continue to do stupid things that keep themselves at the bottom, are just as wrong as the 2% at the top who think they deserve a bigger slice of the pie just because of their 'holier than thou' attitude.

The problem is that today apparently compromise is a dirty word to both groups, creating gridlock, and forcing everyone to the extremes of their beliefs.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Fri, Jul 13, 2012, at 8:53 AM

I have been reading this thread with great interest. All I have to offer at the moment is a side bar.

This thread should dispel once and for all that liberals, progressives, leftists, call 'em what you want, are in lock step, spouting the party line. Obviously we can think for ourselves, and for different reasons arrive at a similiar bottom line.

I would love to see such a discussion among conservatives, regressives, rightists, call 'em what you want, but I don't think that there is enough diversity in that political wing to carry it off. I would love to have that opinion disproven. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Jul 12, 2012, at 11:40 PM

Jo

They have all the evidence they need to prosecute him right now.

No way could he possibly win an election while he is being prosecuted for a felony.

That won't work lol...

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Jul 12, 2012, at 10:59 PM

News, the People won't demand, nor will the GOP demand anything be done! And the People will still Vote for this American S.O.B! They don't care about the Law,they (ARE) the Law!So they have us by the short hair's again! Bush & Cheney are still walking free! If they can get away with what they did, and Kill that many of our Men & Woman the Government Stinks, and a big majority of the American People has NO Empathy or Morel's to let these Moron's run lose! But they will take care of their own,and that's wrong! New System,this one can't be fixed with out a lot of Bloodshed

-- Posted by Jo on Thu, Jul 12, 2012, at 10:47 PM

TEN - FOUR, WE GOT 'EM!

"'Severe consequences' if Romney committed felony with Bain lies"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/07/12/ob...

It turns out that lying to the SEC is a very serious criminal act, and yeah they have the evidence.

So, I wonder who the Republicans will be running as their candidate for the White House now?

ROTFLMAO!!!

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Jul 12, 2012, at 10:24 PM

NanaDot

As I said, in Economics we study those 3 collective behaviors which are defined bellow in my previous comment.

Any collective behavior that lies outside those 3 collective behaviors or is entirely an individual behavior, is not an area studied by Economists.

For answers to questions of those values that you refer to in your comment, you may want to consult the study of Philosophy.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Jul 12, 2012, at 7:03 PM

Economics is a specialized branch of Sociology.

In the field of Economics we are interested in how societies answer 3 questions:

(1) Allocation

How do we as a society decide what goods and services we want?

{2} Technology

How will we as a society produce those goods and services?

(3) Equity

How will we will distribute those goods and services?

There are a number of different approaches to addressing these 3 questions.

Capitalism is but one approach, and not a very good one. Capitalism is the least democratic approach to allocation and the least equitable in distribution, concentrating the bulk of dollar vote, power, and accumulated wealth into the possession and control of a very few members of the society .

Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels offered us a much better, scientific understanding of Economics and a scientific approach to answering those 3 questions.

http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/wor...

http://www.anu.edu.au/polsci/marx/classi...

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Jul 12, 2012, at 6:25 PM

Nana,

I see what you are saying, I think.

A successful society needs methods that organize and manage everyone so that the needs of the society can be met. Hopefully with equal sharing of the workload and the benefits, but without the need for control, regulation, governing, etc. eh?

I also think I get your point regarding our only known, or maybe considered is the right word, method of distributing the workload and benefits is with "control" or "regulation" or some such method, which led to my conclusion that this control or regulation method would create a separate class of folks doing the controlling or regulating.

If I get what you are saying, I think it means that we don't even know how to quantify a system where everyone does what is right for the group to prosper simply because it is the right thing to do.

This touches on what was in the SciAm article I referenced, as the author was using some pretty heavy computer simulations utilizing game theory and "the prisioners dilema" matrix to prove that large groups will only thrive when everyone cooperates as opposed to competes. This is the basis for his theory that cooperation drives evolution as much as competition.

Still, I personally believe that humans, as we now are, will never overcome the narcissism that makes one think they deserve more than the others, and therefore leads to the alpha theory, creating competition for the top dog spot. In a society, an effective alpha will band together his supporters and reach the top, thereby creating a classed system.

That is why I get stuck on the only method of overcoming this natural narcissism built in to humans is with some form of control or regulation of power, a government if you will. That, too, leads to the classed structure as I said, as the controllers or regulators will have more "authority" in the system.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Thu, Jul 12, 2012, at 4:48 PM

PARLIMENTRY PROCEEDURE IN WASHINGTON IS BROKEN! iT'S A BIG JOKE! They have the Deck stacked against the People with their Procedures. We have lost any say about any decisions made,we have the illusion we do, but, NO! There has too be Leadership in any Society, that's Natural! WE the People are the Boss,and should have more say with what go's on! So what we have now is a bunch of clowns that tells us what we want. And we as a Boss should have the option of removal at any time,with force if necessary! None of this nonsense of the continual Legal Battles! Democracy has been bought and Paid for! So if things don't change,whats left, but Rebellion? Your the **** Boss! I don't care what Party it is!

-- Posted by Jo on Thu, Jul 12, 2012, at 2:20 PM

I think this thread is one of our better discussions regarding content, and the icing on the cake is that there has been no name calling!

IMHO of course. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Jul 12, 2012, at 12:11 PM

Nana and News,

I agree that utopian socialism, where everyone is equal and decisions are always a consensus is possible, and possibly even a desirable goal, but not likely to work out very well, nor is it very probable.

This months Scientific American has a quite interesting article supporting the idea that cooperation was just as significant in evolution of many species as compteition. The long held belief that all evolution was driven by natural selection, the "survival of the fittest" if you will, is not the only vehicle driving us forward according to the author.

The point of my previous comment was that even in the pure socialist system, there will be some need to regulate control if you are to deny the natural competition built into many in the society.

Once you create a form of regulating power, who are the regulators? Would they then not comprise a group in the society that had more authority than the others?

Another aspect that makes me fairly sure no true "democratic socialist" system can work is the functional paralysis that comes with all "decisions by committee."

In our theoretical society, do all decisions affecting the tribe need to be made by the entire population? Do we need 100% consensus to move forward? Or will we use some sort of representative voting?

If you create a form of representative regulation (government), you have created a separate class of citizens, have you not?

If you chose to have the entire tribe involved in every decision, then good luck buddy. Getting a small group to reach total consensus is quite difficult, I have no faith that it is possible with a large group.

Ask any good manager what is required to steer a group to consensus. It ain't easy, and those who do not agree with the final decision are thereby somewhat ostracized.

In the large group environment, after a decision is made, or voted on, there will be those who do not agree. Dissenters. Therefore, we have again created two classes of folks in our society. Those who support the direction taken and those who object.

I reckon at that point in our utopian democratic socialist tribe, we just kill off or banish those "objectors" in order to maintain harmony, and unanimous support, eh?

Except wait, our tribe doesn't flourish as we keep having to kill off the other half that does not agree.

Don't see the system working very well, in theory, as we humans are not nearly as civilized as we think we are, in my opinion.

Whales and dolphins may be totally altrustic and have no genetic need for an "alpha fish," but we are talking about humans here. Quite a different species, indeed.

The Scientific American article leads me to believe that this very issue, did we evolve to dominate the planet due to competition, or cooperation, is heavily debated in sociology.

I can guarantee, in the world that now exists, there will always be the "alpha male, or female" affect and therefore always be some political aspect to any society of humans. Somebody will desire to be more important, or have more than his neighbor. Following politics, comes class structure.

Those who support the current alpha dog will enjoy privledge due to their allegiance to the alpha dog. Such is the nature of man.

By the way, my personal opinion is the the "Benevolent Dictatorship" is the most effective form of government. Problem is that while benevolent dictators exist, and have existed in history, they are few and far between.

A true altruistic leader will always make decisions that benefit the tribe. He can then deal with dissenters as necessary. The decision making process is quite simple and quick. With the allegiance of the tribe and good leadership skills of our altruistic "chief," we will flourish.

As long as I get to be the chief.

p.s. Thanks for the discussion. You guys always make me think and that's always a good thing IMHO. (Bet you haven't seen "IMHO" in a while, eh?)

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Thu, Jul 12, 2012, at 8:38 AM

Jo

When the People have nothing left to lose but their life, they don't mind giving that up too...as long as they can take the aristocracy with them. So says the empirical evidence.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Jul 12, 2012, at 2:14 AM

CORRECTION: OUR OWN MILITARY. (IM ALSO A DUMB ***) SORRY!

-- Posted by Jo on Wed, Jul 11, 2012, at 11:47 PM

The Actions being taken in a lot of the Countries of the World ,will have to happen here in the USA, in the same manner, no if ands or buts about it! Our own Hillary will have too kill a lot of us to succeed! That's way i see NO change unless the People wake up, and see how the Politicians are taking over ! They think we are silly and don't care what we think or say,can't you see it? The People have lost their will too rebel,SAD!!!

-- Posted by Jo on Wed, Jul 11, 2012, at 11:27 PM

"US trade gap shrinks as exports rise"

http://economywatch.msnbc.msn.com/_news/...

As a result of deflationary pressures, American goods have become very cheap.

In fact, here in Australian retailers are mad as wet hens over this development.

Since our economy is so good and the American economy so bad, the resulting currency valuation favoring the Australian dollar relative to the American dollar has created a market where we are able to purchase American goods dirt cheap online, directly from the USA -- and tax-free (no GST added in). It works very well for us consumers, but the Australian retailers hate it...lol.

All of a sudden these once outspoken, staunch supporters of "Free-market" capitalism have decided that maybe its not such a hot idea...lol.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Jul 11, 2012, at 7:47 PM

Smart Dog

You seem to have a very narrow perception of socialism, even going so far as to confuse communism with stalinism.

Anyway, socialism is an economic system that can only thrive in a free and open, democratic political system.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Jul 11, 2012, at 5:47 PM

Oklahoma Reader

Neither promised to bring a 1 class society nor was such their goal.

No matter their goal, they both brought down empires without firing a shot. It can be done.

Anyway, bare in mind that capitalism has a definite endpoint and enjoy that American poverty as best you can mate.

As I have always believed, folks always get what they choose...and they deserve it.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Jul 11, 2012, at 5:26 PM

There will be no such thing as a one class system. It is mythology at best.

Even in the totally communist system, there exists a leadership or ruling class. Along with that comes human nature and the desire of many to be the "alpha dog."

This leads to politics, even in the one class system.

It's good to be a member of the communist party if you are living in a communist country. That would automatically imply that there are two classes, party members and non-party members.

Even with a total socialist system, there must be some manner of organizing the masses to acomplish anything (economic output, defense, etc, etc) therefore, there must be some kind of management structure, and there you go, the desire to be the guy at the top of the structure ignites politics.

The end result, a ruling class and non-ruling class.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Wed, Jul 11, 2012, at 1:29 PM

News you said "Even Empires can crumble without the People ever firing a shot.

Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi

Martin Luther King, Jr."

For all the great works that those two magnificent people did pacifically, neither brought a one class society to their countries. India remains mired in a rigid caste system, and more African Americans are stuck at the bottom of our three tier system than any other group.

I do not find your point relevant as a counter to my statement regarding one class systems resulting from bloody revolutions.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Jul 11, 2012, at 12:17 PM

"AFSCME mocks 'The Boehner Bunch' in new video"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/07/10/af...

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Jul 11, 2012, at 6:56 AM

Yep, folks have to get pretty hungry before they decide to do something.

Is this a sign of the future for all American workers?

"Scranton, Pa., slashes workers' pay to minimum wage"

http://bottomline.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20...

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Jul 10, 2012, at 7:12 PM

Even Empires can crumble without the People ever firing a shot.

"Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohandas_Ka...

"Martin Luther King, Jr."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luth....

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Jul 10, 2012, at 6:52 PM

I disagree back News. ;) Please note that I presented remedies that would reel in the upper tier, increase the middle tier, and most importantly shrink the lower tier to levels unseen in our society. In effect, bringing us all closer together, closer to one class. It is pragmatic, and peaceful.

Short of massive violent revolution what you advocate just ain't gonna happen.

Further, most change occurs incrementally. What I have advocated would take us closer to your ideal, thus perhaps setting the stage for a peaceful transition to something closer to what you advocate. That last statement, is exactly the argument that right wingers would use against what I advocate.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Jul 10, 2012, at 5:34 PM

I disagree.

A 3 tier class society is not the solution. Its the problem.

Capitalism simply does not work.

We need a 1 class society where we all prosper together with a healthy, scientifically planned economy.

And until that day comes, learn to love poverty 'cause things haven't gotten any significantly better since Bush and Republican Neoclassical economic policies collapsed the economy in '08, and things aren't going to be changing until Americans get real, real hungry and demand a whole new deal..

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Jul 10, 2012, at 4:48 PM

Taking my point a bit further, before someone jumps in based on their conscientious concern, and sympathy for the abject poor, i. e. liberal guilt manifested, hear me out.

I believe a democracy bereft of a thriving bourgeoisie can not be sustained. I also believe that there must be an open, and equal avenue upward giving the proletariat an opportunity to become bourgeoisie through hard work, education, and thrift. That after all, is simply the American Dream.

At the moment that dream has become a nightmare, as opportunity for advancement not only is diminishing, but more, and more are tumbling downward from the ranks of the bourgeois. The top two percent, and the bottom ten percent are both cancers on the body politic, and must be excised to make America healthy.It will require radical action to accomplish that.

Thus we must bring forth a massive tax increase on the top two percent, one that brings them reeling back into the mainstream; an increase that generates enough money to prepare the bottom ten percent to once again aspire to, and actually attain the American Dream. We can not allow them to wallow at the bottom where drugs, provide the only dreams, and there is abjection, and resentment throughout their culture.

It is a massive task as the cancer has been growing unattended for generations. We must invade their culture, leaving sources of knowlege, and sustainable models of successful adaptation in our wake, being certain that the very youngest are given the larger doses, for without early intervention the cure will not occur.

There is one other illness that has infected us all that must be attended to so that we may be a healthy vigorous nation once again. That is indiscriminate consumption. It is not wrong to consume, but we must learn to consume more thoughtfully. The result will be healthy production that won't have to accompanied by brainwashing to move the product.

It is a tall order, but if we hope to be the nation that is presently only a figment of propagandized imagination, we must dare to undertake such revolution.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Jul 10, 2012, at 12:48 AM

Smart Dog my observations during my lifetime have led me to conclude that those at the very top, and those at the very bottom are equally ignorant. Their isolation from the mainstream of daily living in America has left each category clueless as to what it is like for the most of us as we go about our business.

Thus any so called solutions postulated by either of those groups are absurd, because they know nothing of the most of America, how it works, and what it needs. Any solutions that they present are grounded in their experiences of a different world, not America as a whole.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Jul 9, 2012, at 11:33 PM

"Should the US be a global moral authority?"

http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/insi...

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Jul 9, 2012, at 6:58 PM

Smart Dog

I am sick and tired of rich folks telling me what I should think and do.

What do they know about being poor or middle class and struggling through hard times? Absolutely nothing!

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Jul 9, 2012, at 4:00 PM

Well, at least some journalists can see the humor in what is going on in our political system currently.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arch...

It's always fun to read some rich person explain how folks who actually have to work for a living "just don't get it."

Or the out-n-out humor of Ms. Simmons generosity by letting someone stay on their yacht because the hotel hosting the fundraiser was sold out of rooms. Oh, the horror of being rich and not being able to get your way. "See how benovelent we are?"

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Mon, Jul 9, 2012, at 11:18 AM

Congratulations to Barney & Partner! It's too bad he's leaving Office. He was one who was trying to do the right thing for the Banking Industry and the way they treat the People! He has made a great Contribution to the Law of Banking and the Protection of the Peoples right! We are running out of honest and considerate Politician's, if there is such a thing left in Politics? IM still for term Limit's on all Government Officials! There can always be exception, but not many?

-- Posted by Jo on Sun, Jul 8, 2012, at 1:24 PM

"Rep. Barney Frank weds longtime partner in same-sex marriage"

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2012/07/07/ne...

Congratulations to the Newly Weds, Barney Franks and Jim Ready!!!

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Jul 7, 2012, at 8:01 PM

"Global report: Decriminalization does not increase rates of drug use"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/07/07/gl...

Gee, wouldn't decriminalization be cheaper and more effective than spending the trillions of dollars we have spent on the War on Drugs?

This report seems to answer that question in the affirmative.

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Jul 7, 2012, at 3:07 PM

The states that attacked the United States of America got hammered for their efforts.

By 1865 the traitor states were completely broken. Their economy was shattered.

Most of their able-bodied men were either in POW camps or dead.

They were soundly defeated...and rightly so.

The traitors were very fortunate that President Lincoln issued a blanket pardon for their acts of treason. In fact, they could have remained military occupation zones -- permanently.

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Jul 7, 2012, at 2:08 PM

Yep. Historian James Loewen says the north won the Civil War in 1865 and the south won it in 1890.

http://tinyurl.com/7zomjgk

I think you could argue that the south won it with one bullet: the one that killed Lincoln. Had Lincoln lived, I bet reconstruction would have unfolded differently. More of a healing process than the false hopes and deepening divisions we got instead. Just a hunch.

-- Posted by taxedpayer on Sat, Jul 7, 2012, at 7:34 AM

I once heard my nephew comment that "had he been around during the civil war he would have fought for the south because they would have had god on their side".... The lad has been successfully indoctrinated.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Sat, Jul 7, 2012, at 6:43 AM

After seeing this interview, I think a good nick-name for Ted would be "Inappropriate Ted," to say the least.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWYqvv4-2...

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Jul 7, 2012, at 1:59 AM

"Ted Nugent says it might have been best if South had won Civil War"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/07/06/te...

Well I bet if Ted actually had a taste of that bull-whip from the receiving end, he would be singing a whole new tune.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=086Dj-h-J...

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Jul 6, 2012, at 9:22 PM

Francois Hollande's,Yea, this will be interesting to see how this Socialist President will Operate? A good thing!! This could be a model for the USA!

-- Posted by Jo on Fri, Jul 6, 2012, at 3:39 PM

"Drought hits 56 percent of continental US; 'significant toll' on crops"

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/0...

Here is something I am thinking.

Shouldn't it be a crime for a politician, media commentator, and/or public person to mislead the public on something as important as climate change, and especially when they mislead the public despite the massive pile of factual data to the contrary?

Shouldn't there be some accountability?

Shouldn't the lying sacks of bullhockey like Rush Limbaugh, Michael Steele, Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, all of the teaparty/Republican Party be held to account at this point? After all, we know now they were lying to us and, in the process, their misinformation campaign has resulted in the greatest national security threat we have ever faced.

We need to hang those folks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=is4pUhEKz...

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Jul 5, 2012, at 7:10 PM

A flash from the recent past:

On last April 1, rr3yv0 said "OBAMACARE FIGHT 'SOON TO BE OVER'? LOL!"

Well, yes rr, it certainly is all over.

You neocon/tea party boys thought you owned the High Court...lol lol lol. Your boys were convinced you had that Court "stacked"...lol...wrong!! lol...

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Jul 5, 2012, at 4:53 PM

ND,

That is a wonderful video about Woody.

Woody was a good socialist American who learned the hard way that capitalism does not work for anyone but the 1%. He remained faithful to the American People to the day he died, having never once surrendered the fight for democracy, socialism, and justice that he dedicated his life to.

Thanks for posting it!

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Jul 5, 2012, at 4:39 PM

An excellent essay News, thanks for the heads up; also Billy Bragg. :)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Jul 5, 2012, at 4:06 PM

Billy Bragg & Wilco: "All You Fascists"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=end...

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Jul 5, 2012, at 3:54 AM

Hey OKR,

Here is something mainstream, capitalist-owned media don't want anyone to know.

Its a rather interesting phenomena.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/07/05/ma...

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Jul 5, 2012, at 3:51 AM

Part Two

Corporate America is well aware that there is no way that they can put a lid on the marijuana industry, despite the current futile scrambling by big Pharma to isolate, and package for profit the active ingredients in marijuana. Further, even if they succeed in doing so the only thing that will do is remove the fear of marijuana which they have advertised for ages. With that altered circumstance no one for long is going to pay their always high prices for such a prescription medication. People will just get it from the street, particularly in the declining economy we experience. They will not be able to overcome the baseline; it only takes a seed, a container, and average gardening knowlege to grow it, and once the fear is removed, grow it people will. Big Pharma therefore will fight even limited legalization to the bitter end.

The tobacco industry is not in such dire straits. They produce a similiar product to marijuana, the problem is that their product kills people, and is appropriately in more ways than one, a dying industry. They are actually set up to easily convert to marijuana production in every way. I am certain they are currently considering how to do just that so that they will be ready when the time is right. It would be ironic if it is the savior of the tobacco industry, but it appears that it is the only thing that could do it. Their resistance will wan, and they will in time, quietly switch sides on the issue.

The brewing, and distilling industry is likely already preparing for leglization as they stand to make a fortune off such things as infusions into existing high profile products. They also will be able to take advantage of the fact that they are already a controlled product, and will be able to take advantage of existing legislation as they segue to their enhanced products. They to will get aboard the legalization band wagon.

What is good for business is good for America, and boy is this going to be good business!

End of Part Two

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Jul 5, 2012, at 2:43 AM

Wow! Finally a challenge through the court system with valid research regarding marijuana. All that it is really doing is providing established, and respected backing for what millions of Americans have known for years. Though it is troubling, recent evidence that a larger percentage of high school seniors smoke marijuana than cigarettes points to the necessity of regulation instead of prohibition. It appears that the prevarications tendered by vested interests to the ninny hammers are unraveling at last.

In my opinion the only reason that it is taking so much longer to overturn this prohibition than the one against alcohol, is the differences in sourcing.

Alcohol prohibition shut down an established complex industry that was necessary to provide enough distilled, suitably varied product to meet consumer demand. It works nicely to provide jobs, taxable incomes, and most of all profits, to stimulate Establishment capitalism. The only out side the system competition was, and is, a small anti-establishment sector in the form of Moonshiners, who can only produce a single product with limited appeal, and even that must be done by a physical process involving machinery. It is merely a blip to the alcohol industry. Thus influential well funded capitalists spearheaded the drive for repeal of the Eighteenth Amendment.

On the other hand marijuana production has no pre-existing capitalist mechanism to assure that once legalized, all the profits go to establishment capitalists. To the contrary, existing sectors of capitalism, namely the distilling, pharmaceutical, and tobacco industries, rightly percieve that legalization of marijuana would cause a decline in sales of their products. Thus establishment capitalism spearheads the drive for continued total prohibition.

End Part One

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Jul 5, 2012, at 1:48 AM

Nana, thank you so much my dear friend for that. It made my Fourth!

This one is for you.

A hundred miles from Okemah, and a hundred years too late,

to walk all the way with Woody, as he made Oklahoma great.

though his path has faded, if I stay real close to shacks,

I'm pretty sure if I listen too, I'll follow in his tracks.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Jul 4, 2012, at 2:12 PM

"Salon's Joan Walsh on GOP anger at Roberts: 'They believed they controlled the court"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/07/03/sa...

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Jul 4, 2012, at 2:37 AM

News that line "My next room neighbor does have that illegal smile," should read My next room neighbor MAY have that illegal smile,...the implication being that he suffers senile dementia when tied to the next line, "but then he again he ain't said a word in a good long while." In a "rest home" that is the only way the "inmates" are going to approximate the peace of mind that Willie Nelson has, and the narrator wishes for. Once put away there is absolutely no chance to get the medicine of choice. But yea, I too obviously am familiar with that particular smile. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Jul 4, 2012, at 1:32 AM

OKR,

I know that smile.

I know it well...

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Jul 4, 2012, at 1:02 AM

While the subject of songs is up, I have another one to share, that I wrote a little while ago. No help from Gene Autry on this one. As a matter of fact I doubt clean livin' Gene would have wanted anything to do with it, considering the subject of the song. Who knows though? He did live in California most of his life.

I have mentioned medical marijuana on this blog when it was the thread, and I think that I said that I had used it for severe back injury with excellent results over thirty years ago. The Doctors pushed a variety of addictive narcotics to me, I tried 'em, they creeped me out, more than they gave me relief. After trying each one a time, or two, I knew they weren't for me, and used only marijuana for pain relief during the time I was seeing if I could avoid surgery.

Anyway, I was thinking that I am really lucky at my age to not have a darn thing wrong with me, and that I don't have to take any kind of medication for anything. Then I thought what would happen if my back went way bad on me like it did in 1980? I didn't panic, but I was concerned because I don't know one person here in Oklahoma that I could get, what is for me, the best medicine for a bad back. I guess social isolation of the aged might have something to do with it. Then I thought, well it could be worse, you could be in a rest home with a bad back. Then I panicked. From that conversation with self, came this song. I hope you enjoy it. ;)

Wishin' Willie Was My Friend

I'm just a rockin in my rest home, wishin' Willie was my friend.

All my friends just like him, have come to their good end.

My next room neighbor does have that illegal smile,

but then again he ain't said a word in a good long while.

I wish I was in Colorado, or some other state like that,

but I'm in Oklahoma, and that's not where it's at.

So I just sit awaitin' while I still have time to spend,

Still dreamin', and still wishin' that Willie was my friend.

My back is bad from hurts I've had, and it makes me sad,

and the zombie pills they give me really make me mad.

I'd be doin' better with some of that special blend.

Man, I wish so much, that Willie was my friend.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Jul 3, 2012, at 4:20 PM

Guess I shoulda said this SATIRICAL song parody just popped in to my head. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Jul 3, 2012, at 9:17 AM

OKR,

You don't strike me as the "Spare the rod and spoil the child" type.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Jul 3, 2012, at 4:32 AM

This song parody just popped into my head, to the tune of Gene Autry's "Back in The Saddle Again" http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=yout...

I'm backin' the paddle again

out where a trend is a trend

where the long haired mullets grow

and folks don't want to know

I'm backin' the paddle again

usin' the belt once more

til the butt is sore

where kids cry in bed every night

and the only law is might

backin' the paddle again

;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Jul 3, 2012, at 12:58 AM

Agreed.

The country need jobs, jobs, jobs. There is erosion of benefits for those who do have jobs. Lenovo, a Chinese company, moves jobs around the world w/only a modicum of notice. Those remaining are expected to work Saturdays--a six day week.

Can't understand the opposition to programs like the WPA during the 30s. This spring there was mention of rebuilding a facility near the Lake of the Ozarks, which had been serving many groups for 70 years. (There may have been a fire in the mix.) Thankfully funds have been found to rebuild.

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Mon, Jul 2, 2012, at 9:39 PM

"Social justice nun: Ryan's budget is 'not a moral document"

"Paul Ryan has claimed to be a faithful Catholic, and I have no reason to suspect that that isn't accurate, "Sister Mary Ellen Lacy Daughter, a lobbyist at Catholic social justice lobbying group NETWORK, told Raw Story. "What we do know, and what the bishops agree with us on, is that the document, the budget that he wrote, is not a moral document. It is not a faithful budget. It is not consistent with the Catholic social teachings. He may claim one thing, but it is clearly in opposition to what we believe."

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/07/02/so...

http://nunsonthebus.com/about/

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Jul 2, 2012, at 5:39 PM

Jo

There is one thing I am certain of, in most cases, when something doesn't make any sense its usually because there are some pieces missing from the puzzle.

May I suggest that the rational mind expects that most politicians want what is best for his or her constituents but they follow different paths to that public good.

However, when those same politicians are being paid bribes by the 1%ers, like the Koch brothers for example, then their constituency no longer includes voters.

So they say they will do one thing, and then do the opposite and the rational man or woman ends up scratching their head wondering what happened.

What happened is the politician took a bribe and no longer cares at all about doing good public work. He/she is now fully owned and controlled by the rich jerk who is paying the bribe.

America is the most corrupt nation in the World.

Get used to it mate, 'cause most Americans seem to approve of American corruption...otherwise they would be slapping those rich fat cats onto the Guillotine.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Jul 2, 2012, at 3:55 AM

Other Countries like Brazil, Columbia, China, Japan,i under stand are having a field Day buying up American Real Estate! How much are we going to sell them? And we are worried about People coming across the Border? Its too deep for me! Nothing makes sense anymore!

-- Posted by Jo on Sun, Jul 1, 2012, at 10:06 PM

I guess what I am really trying to say is that without increased employment -- significantly increased -- full recovery may not happen anytime soon. Chinese purchases of used American homes will not create any substantial number new jobs. It just is not enough to do the job. Only a substantially improved employment situation will create the kind of consumption and level of consumption we need to get back to the good old days. What we should be doing is borrowing from the Chinese then using the revenues to establish a massive government direct-hire work program rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure and making consumers of those formerly unemployed workers. That is the only thing that has the strength to end the deflationary pressures and return our economy back to a healthy state.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Jul 1, 2012, at 10:02 PM

upsedaisy

So now we have an open immigration policy as regards the Chinese? Lol...how many plan on moving to America? A billion, or 2 maybe?

This should be interesting.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Jul 1, 2012, at 8:22 PM

Newsacross,

No the Asian buyers aren't moving shop back to America. They are bringing their cash and purchasing homes for themselves and their families. Their money buys a lot more in US.

Still a good deal of accurate information in the WSJ reporting, which is separate from the editorial and op-ed pieces by Karl Rove et al.

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Sun, Jul 1, 2012, at 7:58 PM

That,and many other things News, like freebies to our so called allies.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Jul 1, 2012, at 12:12 AM

Oklahoma Reader

Are you referring to the wars with Afghanistan and Iraq, 2 countries that never attacked us and were never capable of a military attack on the USA, -- those wars that we started when we invaded them, destroying their infrastructure in the process?

Another brilliant couple of ideas brought to you by Conservative, Inc.

We could stop things like that by not doing them.

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Jun 30, 2012, at 11:38 PM

Simply put we can not emulate Germany, nor any other social model that truly provides for the welfare of all its citizens as long as we remain arsenal to the world. It is a fiscal impossibility to so grandly subsidize, and provide security for that industry, and have enough resources remaining to do anything else large scale. Caught between a rock, and a hard place, we can't live without it, and we can't live well with it. What a pickle we are in.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Jun 30, 2012, at 11:23 PM

upsedaisy

So you figure those 65% of China's manufacturing companies owned by American 1%ers are planning to up and root all over again and move all their capital (tools, machinery and tool makers) back to the USA at incredible cost to them?

I doubt that.

Those jobs, and the good old days are gone.

I wouldn't wait around on that one if I were you...no matter what Ruppert Murdock told you.

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Jun 30, 2012, at 11:04 PM

Nanadot,

Good comments on Germany's economy flourishing despite their "Socialist" perks for citizens.

Interesting article this week in Wall Street Journal on the wave of Asian buyers for real estate in the USA. It's led by the Chinese, their buying power may well lift the U.S. housing market out of its decline.

In China, parents buy American baby food because they don't trust Chinese brands.

There is a Chinese blessing/curse: May you live in interesting times. Sums it up.

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Sat, Jun 30, 2012, at 10:48 PM

Well OKR,

Actually I feel confident the American people will figure out that Neoclassical Economic policies are hammering them real hard, but I think they will have to get pretty poor and hungry before they finally do something about it. In fact mate, it appears history is repeating itself.

See "Great Depression" for more on this.

Then watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRsSED21E...

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Jun 30, 2012, at 8:58 PM

Going back a bit, to the Crossroad, also appropriate. :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yd60nI4sa...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Jun 30, 2012, at 8:14 PM

Appropriate cut News, and excellent my friend.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Jun 30, 2012, at 8:08 PM

You have a point News, and I agree that Progressives are paddling against the current. The problem is that as the current gets stronger, we along with all the rest, will not be able to get to that distant shore. All we can do is keep on paddling. We have to try.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Jun 30, 2012, at 8:02 PM

Long Distance Blues

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLP3U3asR...

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Jun 30, 2012, at 7:58 PM

Oh not all of us mate.

As I said, the results of Reaganist economic policies are there for anyone to see.

Our economic ruin had nothing to do with liberals, because liberals have not had any political power in over 30 years.

All our economic and political problems were entirely the direct result of conservative economic and political policies.

We are not in separate life-boats swinging oars at each other as you describe. Such would imply that we liberals have some kind of voice and say in matters. We don't and we haven't. The American voters threw us overboard over 30 years ago.

Now we watch from a distant shore as the conservatives burn our ship of state.

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Jun 30, 2012, at 7:12 PM

Yup News, our old titanic self has steamed ahead, blind to warning after warning, and in my opinion already hit an iceberg.

We are now a nation of folk categorized, polarized, and segregated into the appropriate life boats, most of which are paddling in circles. The only boat to boat exchange is insults, and the swing of an aggressive oar should one try to approach another. Meanwhile an unrecognized current is taking us all to a giant whirlpool somewhere in the Ocean of Despair, where we all will be sucked into oblivion. Glub, glub. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Jun 30, 2012, at 6:55 PM

Oklahoma Reader

What 30+ years of Reaganism has done to our Nation speaks for itself.

Perhaps its time we change course, 'cause as it is now, the ship is sinking...quickly.

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Jun 30, 2012, at 3:33 PM

I truly enjoy these blogs. Where else is an old porch sitting, whittling, dog petting, observer of life as it goes by like me, with absolutely no certificates, credentials, or specialties of lasting value, get to converse with economists, psychologists, teachers, ministers, successful business professionals, and judging from the apparent intelligence of other posters, unspecified professional accomplishments, or innate high intelligence, and advanced perceptions?

Yet we grump about the content, we groan about the limitations, and castigate each other like children who can't see the forest for the trees. We are fortunate, or blessed (depending on perspective) to have this opportunity.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Jun 30, 2012, at 2:58 PM

Oh and GB,

The solution to ending America's dependence on oil is green energy.

Perhaps rather than attacking America's poorest and most disadvantaged citizens by cutting assistance to the poor, that do-nothing good Republican Congress should be investing in America's energy future?

Unfortunately, conservatives are more interested in starting wars, torturing prisoners, spying on the American People, cutting old folk's medicare and social security, starving poor children, and restricting the civil rights of American women and minorities.

I guess its all a matter of priorities.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Jun 29, 2012, at 5:23 PM

gentle ben

I actually live in a country that has socialized medicine. We have had it since the mid-1980's, and we love it!

I picked my doctor from the yellow pages. The longest I ever waited to see my doctor was 10 minutes. The longest I ever waited to see a specialist was 2 days (my appointment was scheduled for 2 days from the time I called to make the appointment). My taxes here are no higher than they were when I was living in Marshall on a comparable level of income.

All that mate, and our economy is the best economy in the World.

That story about how you interpreted something President Carter did is all well and good. Its certainly important to you and probably a few historians, but that has no relevance to America's current health care access disaster. Your story is interesting, but it won't help my kids out. Socialized medicine in America will help my kids out.

All the Industrialized, Democratic Nations in the World enjoy socialized medicine -- except for America.

If America has dollars for bullets, she has money for equitable medical care access.

Its just a matter of priorities.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Jun 29, 2012, at 4:27 PM

Though I too hope for some sort of Health Care reform, to make quality health care accessible to more people, I hope this doesn't turn out like what happened when the Carter administration implemented the Department of Energy.

The Department of Energy was instituted on August 4, 1977 and charged with the mission to LESSEN OUR DEPENDENCE ON FOREIGN OIL.

Now here we are in 2012 and the budget for this "necessary" department stands at around $24.2 BILLION A YEAR. It has 16,000 federal employees and approximately 100,000 contract employees. And what about their track record - When the department was started, 30% of our oil consumption was foreign imports. Today 70% of our oil consumption is foreign imports. And we have since turned the banking system and the auto industry over to the feds. I wonder what might happen if they take over healthcare?

-- Posted by gentle ben on Fri, Jun 29, 2012, at 10:35 AM

Absolutely News!Any thing else will stink for everyone but i guess you could call it a victory of some kind! If were lucky this will lead to the National Healthcare everyone wants & deserves but, not in our life time! Rachel Maddow and other showed how far behind we really are with other Nations, it sucks! We spend over one and a half times more, and receive less effective results! Is there something wrong with that,people?

-- Posted by Jo on Thu, Jun 28, 2012, at 9:53 PM

Panem et Circenses

If anyone really wanted you to have equitable access to healthcare, they would have done the right thing and socialized health care.

Anything less is nothing but "panem et circenses."

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Jun 28, 2012, at 6:47 PM

Even though I am happy about the Supreme Court's decision today; I am not entirely happy with the bill in its entirety. I hope that opponents spend their energies fine-tuning and improving the parts that a lot of people have problems with, and do not spend all of their energy trying to repeal the entire bill. That is nearly impossible now, and if both sides listen to each other and work productively; we may have an excellent plan that most people can live comfortably with and feel proud of.

-- Posted by Interested Too on Thu, Jun 28, 2012, at 5:35 PM

I don't think Roberts has changed. There's something else behind this! they just don't wake up one day and believe something else? That Court has already let the Money, buy the Government, if the People let it happen! Go with the Candidate with the least Money and better ideas, and we can beat these fools!

-- Posted by Jo on Thu, Jun 28, 2012, at 4:15 PM

Didn't realize I got poked by a poster over on the Brunner story.

Better respond to that genius.....

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Thu, Jun 28, 2012, at 1:26 PM

It appears that Mitt has responded as predicted.

He might as well say "as I have nothing to offer, I wish to turn the November election into a pro-obamacare vs. anit-obamacare event."

What the heck is Obamacare, Mitt? I thought it was the "Health Care Reform Act." Who would vote for a guy who doesn't even know the name of the legislation? Wait......never mind.

Also appears that he is not willing to cut his own throat as he has refrained from claiming the "status quo" is the way to go. Funny thing is, his proposals in the linked article are already in the current law. Doh!?

Yep, the GOP approach is going to be "our future unnamed bill of mystery is better than the one the democrats passed even though it's going to contain the same stuff."

I love conservatives. Apparently they think no one actually listens to what they say, or conversly they think if they say the same thing as democrats, it makes it a better idea.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/r...

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Thu, Jun 28, 2012, at 12:56 PM

Well, it appears that now the November election will be framed as the current "Health Care Reform Act" vs. an unknown republican authored "Health Care Reform Act To Be Determined At A Later Date."

Surely the GOP won't commit political suicide by proposing a "Health Care Reform Act" vs. "The Status Quo That Now Works So Well" debate, will they?

At least for me, today my faith in our current Supreme Court was boosted a little. I was just dang sure that this was going to be a vote down party lines to aid the GOP in the November elections by gutting health care reform.

Perhaps our supremes are not as politicized as I thought they were. Perhaps even they have gotten the message that our current system is rapidly becoming a laughing stock. I, personally, already think it already is.

For me the question is whether government regulation and involvement will help or hinder.

Apparently the capitalist model of health care ain't working so well for us so I reckon it's time to see if we can't head toward 'medicare for all.'

Can't wait to see the ultracon reaction to todays ruling. Rush may blow a gasket and take up drugs again. For sure there will be plenty of red faced angry white guys shouting into microphones for the next month. Anybody wanna bet on the number of times the word 'socialism' is misused in the next 24 hours? Perhaps an office pool?

Another hillarious thing will be when the neocons start calling for Chief Justice Roberts head. Personally, I gained a little respect for the guy today as he apparently is willing to make the tough decisions and the heat that goes with them.

Neocons do realize that if something is right of Roberts position, it is really, really far out there, don't they?

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Thu, Jun 28, 2012, at 11:22 AM

Where's the flight suit and aircraft carrier, gentle ben?

Everybody already knows James Baker runs the GOP, and has for several decades now, since Bill Clinton defeated Bush, sr. and put him out of a job, right?

There was a really good PBS documentary created during the 2000 presidential campaign that makes that very, very clear.

Regarding the Democrats, I am afraid that the words of Will Rogers still hold true to this day.

When asked which party he "belonged" to, he replied "I'm not a member of any organized political party . . . . . I'm a democrat."

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Wed, Jun 27, 2012, at 12:25 PM

Mission Accomplished!

-- Posted by gentle ben on Wed, Jun 27, 2012, at 10:38 AM

Well GB you certainly got to the bare bones of it. Geronimo! ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Jun 27, 2012, at 10:32 AM

"Like lemmings over a cliff" is a good analogy - but I believe mankind is being driven over the edge by the few who hold ultimate power. Dynasties that have been around for many, many years and who have controlled banking, oil, the geo-political make up of the nations, and even the environment - are still calling the shots on a world-wide scale. I might name names - but then - who would listen to the rantings of an old codger like me? However - to find the trail that leads up the strings to the puppet masters we must look at certain well-placed scholarship recipients, at certain Ivy League colleges and universities, and at certain "fellowships" such as that group with skeletal parts in their name. Oops - I've probably said too much. If you don't hear from me soon - send out a search party! For now - I have to skip over to the Religion section to see how that Thesis vs Antithesis = Synthesis formula is working out.

-- Posted by gentle ben on Wed, Jun 27, 2012, at 10:15 AM

"Noam Chomsky tells Julian Assange: Humanity 'like lemmings going over the cliff'"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/06/26/no...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iJjtEMam...!

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Jun 26, 2012, at 6:27 PM

GB,

There is a definite endpoint to man's attack on Mother Nature, and Mother Nature always wins in the end.

We won't be around in significant numbers for much longer, so no matter what anyone chooses to believe, our species has about had it. If we are real, real, real lucky, we might have a hundred years or so to survive as a species.

Some of our species wanted us to change the way we were doing things in order to at least put off that climate change to its normal cycle change which normally would not have occurred for another 3000 years (that would be 30 centuries).

Unfortunately for us, a whole lot of folks decided to cast their ballots in the voting booth for the folks who were causing the conditions that created the danger that now looms in our near-future. Elections have consequences as do policies -- intended and unintended, both.

They, pseudo-independents and the conservatives, ignored all the data, tuned into Fox pseudo-news, and pretended the environment was just fine (the ol', "ignore it and it will go away" approach).

But Mother Nature was not impressed. She does not care what anybody believes. She only knows she is under attack by little more than talking-monkeys who she will easily remove from the mixture.

The saddest part is that the folks who tried to sound the alarm will die right next to the ones who ignored the alarm.

To say these different approaches are all the same is to ignore the reality.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Jun 26, 2012, at 1:37 PM

GB I have long been a proponent of accurately descriptive labels, i.e. those that describe positions, not parties. Thus I most often use the terms Progressive, and Regressive. Progressive is defined as favoring, or advocating change, improvement, or reform; Regressive of course means returning to previous condition.

Many Regressives may be found within the membership of the Democratic Party (Blue Dogs), the Republican Party is dominated by Regressives, any Republicans with an alternative philosophy have been gone from the Party for years, and are a prime reason for the swelling ranks of Independents.

I appreciate what you are saying, they all are beholden to higher powers. The core difference is that Progressives prefer that it was not so, and work to change it by promoting such things as financing elections with the people's money (taxpayers), not private contributions.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Jun 26, 2012, at 12:48 PM

We should all stop talking about "liberal" and "conservative" - Democrat and Republican - and so on. They are all controlled by the same folks in higher than you can imagine places. And again - the concept of order out of chaos - which is very much alive and well - seems to be working even on this comment section. The formula is really quite simple: Thesis (the left is right) clashes with Antithesis (the right is right); chaos ensues until we arrive at Synthesis (an agreement of some sort). Problem is - the Thesis and Antithesis are both invented and controlled by the same folks who are simply manipulating world events to bring about their own desired ends. It's been that way forever and will ever be. We are all just pawns on a chess board. So please - no more of this conservative vs liberal drivel - THEY ARE ALL THE SAME!

-- Posted by gentle ben on Tue, Jun 26, 2012, at 11:40 AM

Drones, drones, drones. They will yet be Barry's undoing.

When you get back r please read at the attached link an article that I think you will mostly agree with even though it is in a liberal news source. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/20...

Next, just for grins, see if you can find something at a similar conservative news source that I will likely agree with.

All about fair, and balanced don'tcha know. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Jun 26, 2012, at 12:44 AM

When all this started,about too big to fail! Has any thing been broken up yet? And what about the Koch Brothers Empire and the others? Has anyone heard of anything? Why couldn't they go after these People for un American Activities regardless of their Politic!? MY HISTORY ISN'T THERE ANYMORE! Wasn't Germany's Problem along the same lines, when Hitler took over? I've STUDIED so much on this stuff my Brain isn't retaining what i read anymore.ha! Thanks for the help, if you have any! Okla,NANA,NEWS Thanks for the links YOU'VE BEEN PROVIDING!

-- Posted by Jo on Mon, Jun 25, 2012, at 10:07 PM

If we have money for war, we have money for healthcare.

Its just a question of priorities.

Being the Christian Nation the conservatives claim it is, America chooses war.

We have chosen...poorly.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Jun 25, 2012, at 6:57 PM

OMG!!!!!

Check -- this -- out!!

"Al-Jazeera video breaks down military spending by the dollar"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/06/24/al...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXzRzaTlj...

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Jun 25, 2012, at 12:33 AM

Here is my bet ND.

I bet that super-volcano under Yellowstone will explode and wipe us out for the most part.

The last time that a super-volcano pretty well wiped us out, it ended our first migration out of Africa and reduced our ancestors numbers down to a few hundred.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Jun 24, 2012, at 8:23 PM

NanaDot

Actually it will more than likely be Mother Nature who will put our talking-monkey games to an end.

She has done it before -- several times, and Man is no match for Mother Nature.

We will most likely survive as a species, but in far fewer numbers. At least that is what the empirical evidence suggests.

In fact, one could say that Mother Nature will destroy us to save us.

I think perhaps Man's best living arrangement is living a hunter-gatherer lifestyle in small communities of 30 to 50 people with a world total population of under 1 million talking monkeys...ahem,...I mean Human beings.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Jun 24, 2012, at 5:27 PM

Yeh we are bad column number one NA, and if we keep at it we will be nothing except number two.

ND I am beginning to think we will never learn. It makes my heart ache.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Jun 24, 2012, at 1:41 AM

A blast from the past, vintage 1968, had to love those 60s; "The Way We Live". What a burgeoning of false hope those days were. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00DM-KmyE...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Jun 23, 2012, at 8:33 PM

"USA #1? 40 Embarrassing Things That America Is The Best In The World At"

http://endoftheamericandream.com/archive...

USA! WE'RE NUMBER 1!!

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Jun 23, 2012, at 5:30 PM

Uh OH!!

"An almighty Koch app: Democrat Darcy Burner targets billionaire brothers"

"A former tech head turned politician is developing an app that will allow shoppers to avoid products made by the Kochs or other billionaires currently spending fortunes backing rightwing candidates and policies."

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/06/23/an...

Lol...1%ers be warned, this is really going to hurt!

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Jun 23, 2012, at 4:55 PM

Well OKR,

It looks to me like the regressive's just lost one of their big boys...lol.

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Jun 23, 2012, at 4:45 PM

"Major opponent of gay marriage switches sides"

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47930211/ns/...

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Jun 23, 2012, at 4:21 PM

Oldy, but moldy NA. LOL Unfortunately it would likely be considered quite up to date in certain Regressive circles.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Jun 23, 2012, at 1:51 PM

Romney brings potential V. P. candidates to Utah this weekend. Is that so the candidates can be vetted by the Mormon Elders? http://video.msnbc.msn.com/msnbc-tv/4793...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Jun 23, 2012, at 1:44 PM

An oldy but a goody!

"Women know your limits!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3Pwl8jTL...

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Jun 23, 2012, at 1:17 AM

Thank goodness the Authorities are looking out for us!

"How to Spot a Communist"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkYl_AH-q...

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Jun 23, 2012, at 1:08 AM

As the world turns...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-H99C4JEq...

-- Posted by Slater on Fri, Jun 22, 2012, at 6:44 PM

Or perhaps they were Fox News scrolling headlines.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Fri, Jun 22, 2012, at 8:13 AM

rr3,

Thank you for the brief summary of Rush's show.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Fri, Jun 22, 2012, at 8:12 AM

That explains it ND.

So if I understand this correctly, in the mind of the average right-wing extremist anyone who prefers fact to Fox fascist propaganda is a liar.

Wow!!

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Jun 22, 2012, at 7:02 AM

r,

Are you calling me a liar?

Please qualify your response sir!

When did I lie and what lie did I tell.

Be specific and prove its a lie...or sit down.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Jun 21, 2012, at 11:03 PM

Obama regime suing Florida for attempting to purge illegal voters from their roles? Really! These people are above the law and some of you don't care.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, Jun 21, 2012, at 10:48 PM

Obama regime suing egg producer for requesting too much paper work to make sure their employees are legal? They can be shut down for hiring illegals but get sued to for making sure they are legal? How can we have it both ways? Is this more of the catch, release and vote strategy?

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, Jun 21, 2012, at 10:45 PM

Holder found in contempt of Congress, Obama pulls executive privilege at the last hour? What are they hiding? Will we ever know?

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, Jun 21, 2012, at 10:40 PM

The one's you keep repeating.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, Jun 21, 2012, at 10:37 PM

What lie, specifically, are you referring to r?

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Jun 21, 2012, at 9:55 PM

Nana you are right you are all a victim of the big lie. You keep repeating it and never know it.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, Jun 21, 2012, at 9:16 PM

Speaking proactively r before you start moaning about Obama because of todays huge drop in the Dow Jones Average, bear in mind that six of the top ten drops in Dow Jones history came on the watch of...you guessed it...George W. Bush. In fact the top three drops ever were when Georgie was in control, as well as drops five, seven, and nine. Despite that, you want to put in office another candidate that endorses the same old failed policies. Get a clue, get a clue.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Jun 21, 2012, at 7:24 PM

"Rachel Maddow explains what the hell 'Fast and Furious' is all about"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/06/21/ra...

If you weren't convinced conservatives were crazy before, you will be after viewing this.

Conservative dummies have been calling the shots in our country since 1980, and we can easily see what we got from the dummies -- economic depression, eternal war, rising mass poverty, and now the conservative dummies are wasting valuable time and taxpayers money in Congress over a conspiracy theory.

That won't put groceries on the table.

Isn't time we send the conservative dummies in Congress home?

We need leadership in Congress, not conservative conspiracy theories.

DUMMIES GO HOME!

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Jun 21, 2012, at 3:51 PM

Nana,

I think the PR guy you are referring to is Lee Atwater.

A fascinating story if you take the time to do the research. He taught the GOP how to "brand" your opponent with lies and personal attacks during the 1988 elections. In Atwater's early views, nothing was off limits. Dragging the opponents kids, wife, associates, and anything else throught the mud was good campaining.

When Lee woke up and realized what he had done to the electoral process in America, he tried to recant his methods and wrote a book explaining how things went wrong.

The GOP thanked him by basically "Swift Boating" him and telling folks that Poor Lee had gone soft in the head.

The birther movement is a fine example of Atwater politics, as well as the 'Swift Boat Veterans for Truth' ("...always use the word 'truth' or 'fact' in your lie....") that most folks today can observe first hand if they weren't around for the 1980's version.

Oh, yeah, and Al Gore never said "I invented the internet," the GOP told folks that he said it. Sad part is that many to this day still believe it.

What Ol' Al really said was that his work in congress to get the DARPANET opened up for public access lead the way to the creation of the internet.

To me this is a primo example of political brainwashing as, like I said, there are people to this day still saying "Al Gore said he invented the internet," which, of course, never happened.

And John Kerry, a two tour Vietnam veteran, really is a recipient of the Bronze Star.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Thu, Jun 21, 2012, at 2:43 PM

RR "No" trying too deceive the American People in anyway, halve truths, flat out lying, Taking things out of context,is taking this Country down! I know that's the way its always been done! But not this blatantly! Like you say they all do it,but that's what has too be changed! Believing anything, (Most) of these People has too be checked out for the truth,but it has gotten to the point there is very little truths being Printed! This is why i feel the entire System has to be done over. Revolution is all i see in our future! There's a lot i felt Obama would do when he was Elected,and think he still would if he had any help! Right now i feel Obama is as close as we have too salvation for the People,but he and the Democratic Party has to develop a spine and take care of the Peoples Business? We are America! If they don't have the People, they have nothing,and if they can force that kind of ideology on the People, we could have another HITLER! In my View?

-- Posted by Jo on Thu, Jun 21, 2012, at 2:58 AM

N/D,

53%...that is pretty shocking.

Its absolutely amazing how the 1% managed to dumb down the 99%.

Like a slow boiled frog, Americans nver saw it coming.

Its something straight out of the NAZI handbook.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Jun 20, 2012, at 8:33 PM

"Declassified document contradicts Cheney's claim of Iraqi connection to 9/11"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/06/20/de...

Cheney should be tried for his crimes, as should Rumsfeld, Bush, and yep, Obama too.

How long will folks tolerate criminal government?

If we don't hold our politicians to the same laws the rest of us are held accountable to, we will share the same fate of all the other corrupt nations that saw their freedom collapse.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Jun 20, 2012, at 4:58 PM

The Top 10 So-Called "Liberal" Hypocrites: Their Lies, Tries, and the Moral of Their Story

http://www.newsrealblog.com/2010/08/22/1...

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Jun 20, 2012, at 12:00 PM

Frankly, I would bet Massachusetts is about as sick and tired of Brown's nonsense as the Nation is of Republicans in general.

Republicans just get crazier and crazier, and that sure as heck won't put groceries on the table.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Jun 20, 2012, at 7:21 AM

N/D,

that study you cited definitely explains a lot.

It confirms my suspicions regarding the conservative crazies and the cause of their crazy ideas.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Jun 20, 2012, at 7:15 AM

"Maddow: What is going on with Sen. Scott Brown?"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/06/20/ma...

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Jun 20, 2012, at 6:47 AM

Oh and any penalization as retaliation for Mrs. Kennedy speaking out on the issues, such as setting untenable conditions under which a non-party, non-participant to the debate, Mr.Kennedy, must give up her 1st Amendment, Constitutional right to Free Speech, fully qualifies as not only an attack on Mrs. Kennedy, but in fact a direct attack on the Democratic values every true American patriots hold dear.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Jun 19, 2012, at 11:21 PM

rr,

How sad that one who just recently complained that he was being censored by a privately held publication because the gatekeeper of that private publication deemed his comment a violation of their written comment criteria, now has no qualms supporting a conservative politician who is attacking Mrs. Kennedy's 1st Ammendment right to speak out on issues important to her, at her own expense, and in a forum she owns and/or a forum she has sole, lawful gatekeeper authority with.

Isn't that special...

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Jun 19, 2012, at 11:11 PM

So Jo let me get this straight a blatant fabrication is aired by a liberal news source and all you can say is that the Republicans are lying? Really! Is that it? Does that make it ok?

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Tue, Jun 19, 2012, at 10:36 PM

Scott Brown accepts Kennedy debate with conditions

http://www.boston.com/politicalintellige...

News I don't see the attack. I read your article also and they are nearly identical much with a different tones. Seems that RS was on the attack which is why you worship them. Just trying to point out your blatant hypocrisy. Your welcome mate.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Tue, Jun 19, 2012, at 10:33 PM

RR: yes the media can and do anything they want with a Story! But some of the Provable lies that has been told,is still being told by the Republicans! I have missed any apologies or corrections made from any of them. And they continue! So get real!

-- Posted by Jo on Tue, Jun 19, 2012, at 10:31 PM

PMSNBC caught doctoring Romney tape to try to make him look bad. What a laughingstock!!!! HAHAHA!!!! How many of you believe the state run media? I guess if you keep on believing something it might come true. Is that like wishing?

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Tue, Jun 19, 2012, at 9:40 PM

"Brown won't debate Warren unless Kennedy's widow stays silent"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/06/19/br...

http://www.boston.com/politicalintellige...

Scott Brown is a little worm.

How dare he attack Mrs. Kennedy!!

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Jun 19, 2012, at 6:30 PM

Well Jo,

you know how folks can be.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Jun 19, 2012, at 6:11 PM

Yes News,I was a Police Officer for a couple of years,also a Corrections officer for another three years,so i know of threats. Didn't like it,always alerate to the fact! But most were Cowards & Big Mouths in the end! Never liked talking behind anyone's back.Your right,a lot of times it's better too just hush,and observe,but feel free to speak your mind if necessary!

-- Posted by Jo on Tue, Jun 19, 2012, at 12:49 PM

"Michelle Bachmann Says the Darndest Things! - Founding Fathers and Slavery"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vzXPgdlf...

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Jun 19, 2012, at 12:53 AM

Jo,

We all use a nickname.

It allows folks to express themselves without having to constantly watch their back. You know there are crazies everywhere who can become rather violent when their assumptions are challenged.

Using a nick-name helps to prevent that kind of thing from happening.

I know I have seen comments directed towards me before that were very explicit threats of violence...they didn't like my opinion. All of them ended up deleted eventually. Of course I knew each time that they were empty threats that ignored a few basic facts such as the fact that I live on the other end of the Earth. Never-the-less, it proved to me that there were readers/commenters crazy enough and fully willing to use violence as a means of persuasion, if they got the chance. Don't give them that chance mate.

Stick with your nick-name. Its safer.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Jun 18, 2012, at 11:58 PM

Good point OKR.

Every good regressive knows facts are just an annoying inconvenience which can be easily overcome by simply making up history as one goes.

One of my favorite regressive "imaginary history" stories is the one told by regressive Sarah Palin.

You may recall how she explained to us all about Paul Revere's ride through the night in order to warn the Britsh that the Americans had weapons.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oS4C7bvHv...

Of course he did not do that.

http://www.poets.org/viewmedia.php/prmMI...

But regressives would never little a little fact like that stop them from making it up as they go.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Jun 18, 2012, at 11:41 PM

What do you think of People that have something to say about someone on this Blog,and at the same thing give your Name?I have did that,and it was Deleted! I stated that if i had something to say about anyone i would rather say it too there face,so i added my Name! I believe it was directed to Raytown Bill,rr3 sounds just like him! I'm happy too give my Name on any comment i make!

-- Posted by Jo on Mon, Jun 18, 2012, at 10:26 PM

Yup, it is a sign of the times News, as is making movies such as Abraham Lincoln the Vampire Slayer. Now there is twisted history for you, though it doesn't rival the Regressive's revisionist recall of recent history.

I can't wait until the lame production that is surely forthcoming, Washington The Werewolf. And to think most of us have believed that Washington's problems with his false teeth were due to the primitive dentistry of the day, when all the time it was because they were really used to cover a set of wolf like pearly whites. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Jun 18, 2012, at 10:13 PM

Is this a sign of times?

"Head of white nationalist group registers as a lobbyist"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/06/18/he...

http://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/2...

http://reporting.sunlightfoundation.com/...

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/in...

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Jun 18, 2012, at 8:49 PM

Lol, hey Eric, is too late to get in some last minute entries?

I am kidding of course.

We may never know the actual winner of the most deleted comments category, but at least most of us can safely say we made a valiant effort to strive for number one.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Jun 18, 2012, at 8:30 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
:-)

Eric I thought that it might be possible to check who has the most deletions, but I wouldn't ask you to take your valuable time to do so. It isn't like you have even an extra thirty seconds with your dedication to the paper, and the community.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Jun 18, 2012, at 7:58 PM

rr, one of the responsibilities that come with free-speech is the criticism of the content of said speech by other folks exercising their free-speech rights.

As to the MDN posting policy, it apples equally to us all.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Jun 18, 2012, at 6:09 PM

Are you offended when the same poor taste is directed at conservatives and their families?

Posted by rr3yv0 on Mon, Jun 18, 2012, at 2:09 PM

Mainly directed at those whining. I have been deleted also. All I want to point out is the two-faced hypocrisy of it all. I was not deleted until we had the whining. Just trying to make a point.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Mon, Jun 18, 2012, at 5:28 PM

Yeah OKR, Raytown Bill may have beat my record.

And ya know, thinking of all the conservatives who's arguments fell to pieces in this forum and subsequently disappeared from this forum (proably out of shame), really makes me respect rr. Nothing scares him and he stands his ground. Ya gotta admit, he is one tough fella.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Jun 18, 2012, at 4:43 PM

I wonder if Eric can pull up who has been the most censored? No way News are you the most censored. That label belongs to ThirdChild, or JJGates, or Raytown Bill, or someone else equally outrageous, may their blog spirits rest in peace.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Jun 18, 2012, at 4:26 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
I think it might be possible but time-consuming. It would be interesting!

OKR,

I must respectfully disagree.

I believe I hold the record for deleted comments.

...just settin' the record straight, mate (lol).

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Jun 18, 2012, at 3:47 PM

r my friend you are wrong again with your latest blast blanketing all liberals, "I see liberals really don't want free speech except when it is theirs. rr3 censored conservative."

Please go back, and read my take on on the first lady name calling brouhaha. It is exactly the opposite of the label you just applied to "all liberals". I am absolutely for your right to say even much worse in a public forum. Please recognize the distinction between that, and the private forum in which we write. If it was up to me your label of the first lady would stand (read my comment), but it isn't up to me, it is up to Eric.

I think it likely I have been censored on these blogs as often, or perhaps more often than you. I don't go all waa waa, with delusions of persecution. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Jun 18, 2012, at 3:30 PM

Appreciate the comment news but you didn't answer my question.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Mon, Jun 18, 2012, at 3:06 PM

I would like to know what some think on the legality or constitutionality of the latest Obama immigration ruse. Sounds like catch, release and vote to me. I guess when you can't buy votes you legalize them. Instead of illegal aliens would they now be called 'undocumented democratic voters'.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Mon, Jun 18, 2012, at 3:04 PM

rr,

Trust me mate, only Eric has any say as to what gets deleted, and that is how it should be, after all he is the editor.

As far as the way you referred to our First Lady, well as I said, she is only First Lady because of her husband's job. If not for that, she would be "private citizen" Michelle Obama.

Personally, I believe all politicians are fair game, but the First Lady should always be treated with absolute respect irrespective of her husband's politics.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Jun 18, 2012, at 2:53 PM

SD,

I just meant that of the 2 '08 candidates, in terms of personal honor, dignity, and honesty, Senator McCain would have been a much better choice.

I agree that McCain ran a poor campaign. He definitely made some bad choices, and had I been advising him, I would have advised him to switch parties and run as a Democrat. Frankly, I think he could have won if he had done that. After all, he really is a good and honorable man and he was having to run on Bush's record -- which meant his goose was cooked even before the campaign season began.

Obama, on the other hand, did the opposite of almost all of the over 800 campaign promises he made, adopted almost all of Bush's previous policies, and basically became "Bush II."

Perhaps the problem is we limit ourselves to 2 parties who's party platforms are nearly identical. Maybe its time we all begin to look for additional choices, such as the Greens, the Libertarians, or the Socialists, or some other 3rd party, 'cause theses Democrat and Republican parties don't seem to be able to do the job.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Jun 18, 2012, at 2:41 PM

News the outhouse story is funny. Poor taste maybe but funny nevertheless. What is really funny is those that were offended by my pet names for the president and first lady. I didn't realize how thin-skinned some of you are. Are you offended when the same poor taste is directed at conservatives and their families? If there is I haven't seen it from any of you. I have a couple of other names for the president but you have successfully got them deleted. Does that mean if I find something on here offensive and whine about it it will be deleted? Where do we stop? I see liberals really don't want free speech except when it is theirs. rr3 censored conservative. Thank you. You all take the fun out of it and thats all it was in good fun. Laugh a little live a lot.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Mon, Jun 18, 2012, at 2:09 PM

News,

I couldn't agree more. Hillary '08!!!!

More seriously though, McCain might even have landed my vote in '08 (well, not really, but...) except for a certain momma grisly from Alaska.

You can't possibly be thinking having Palin anywhere near a position where she could become president was a good idea, can you?

McCain tried to pander to the right-wing in her selection and in my opinion it backfired. He would have been much better off with a moderate, possibly even a conservative democrat, than with the future TV reality star.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Mon, Jun 18, 2012, at 7:45 AM

OKR,

I wonder sometimes if maybe we elected the wrong candidate in '08.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Jun 18, 2012, at 6:12 AM

Once in a while John McCain says, or does something that separates himself from the lies, and vitriol that we have learned to expect from prominent Republicans. That of course is why so many Republicans could hardly bring themselves to vote for him. If a man has a shred of character it isolates him from the mad crowd at the top of the reeking regressive heap.

Differing from Romney regarding corporate citizenship, and unlimited corporate donations, McCain spoke an uncomfortable truth. Good for him! http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/06...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Jun 18, 2012, at 12:54 AM

How Fascist/Conservative Governments Respond to Those Who Disagree With The Fascist/Conservative Government's Policies:

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/06/17/br...

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Jun 17, 2012, at 5:38 PM

"Bullet-riddled 'Obama library' outhouse appears at Montana GOP convention"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/06/17/bu...

This is a sad, but common, example of conservatism.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Jun 17, 2012, at 4:35 PM

"Glenn Beck Rally: The Bibletution & other Civics lessons"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pla...

Rocket scientists, every one of them.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Jun 17, 2012, at 4:01 AM

OKR,

Good analysis mate.

But I should mention that the Iranians have copied our most sophisticated drone technology, and just recently they passed the captured technology to Venezuela who has put them into production.

No need to purchse from us, these drones are cheap and easy for everyone to build, and the really funny part is how easily the Iranians captured it.

The World does not quake in fear of America. Our reputation as a bully is just an inconvenient fact of life. But when folks around the World talk about America what they do is laugh about how dumb we are. I kid you not, that is our International reputation -- dumbest People on Earth.

"Venezuela building drones with Iran, Russia, China"

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/...

http://www.businessinsider.com/iran-has-...

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Jun 17, 2012, at 1:56 AM

I just saw this. "Drones over US: Thousands could be in the skies soon." And, I know kids who want to grow up to be drone pilots. We probably have a million half trained by now via X-Box etc.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47846841/ns/...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Jun 17, 2012, at 1:42 AM

All of this panic driven expending of munitions, and military machinary in three to five wars at a time is a last gasp effort by our government. An effort to kill, and contain nefarious entities that threaten the overthrow of our government, and the annihilation of our people? No. It is a last gap effort to save our economy by ratcheting up our last viable industry, the military-industrial complex.

As manufacturing has declined the powers that be belatedly, and grudgingly see our mistake in allowing, and abetting the destruction of our manufacturing base. They now know that a strong manufacturingm and export sector in our economy is an absolute necessity, if we are to economically survive the peril of an anemic domestic consumption segment of the economy.

Therefore the PTB (powers that be) looked at what we have that has a good chance of creating jobs that will spur domestic consumption; create production that through foreign sales, will bring an inflow of foreign money, and if handled in the right manner (advertising, and on the ground promotion) will dramatically spiral upward for a long time.

The military-industrial complex was not only the obvious choice, it was the only choice. While technology, soft goods, and hard goods manufacture has fled to the far corners of the world, we remain supremely at the top of the heap in the area of military manufacture. We manufacture more of the means to slaughter people than the rest of the world combined. Our research and development, our physical plants, and our trained labor force, dwarfs that of the rest of the world combined.

Wait there's more. We have the largest free advertising venues in the world, that being the world wide main stream media. An example is the current drone advertising campaign. It is being conducted much like the advertising for an innovative new car line. "News" purveyors around the world love to show menacing drones of various sizes, and shapes, gliding through the sky, then wreaking destruction. Things can't get much more dramatic than that, and the media knows that their audience loves nothing more than action, drama, and destruction. The only major difference between a new car campaign, and the drone campaign is that the solicited customers of the drone campaign are really, really high end. You know every country that is insecure, or aggressive wants drones, and lots of them.

It is an easy instruct for the PBT to deliver to main stream media, as they are both on the same page with this one; no quibbling anywhere. And, if that is not enough we have sales boots on the ground around the world stirring up things in a way that makes potential customers drool for drones.

Is it any wonder that the world quakes when they think of America?

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Jun 17, 2012, at 12:47 AM

U.S. Admits conducting 2 "Secret Wars."

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/americas/2...

Can we really afford secret wars? Is butchering more brown-skinned people in more 3rd World countries, who have not attacked us and don't have the means to be of any kind of military threat to us, a good idea?

We just keep doing all the wrong things.

And you can see where that has gotten us, economic depression, an office of dictator where the office of president used to be, and our National loss of the right of habeas corpus -- and with that loss, all our other civil rights.

So, where will it all end?

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Jun 16, 2012, at 5:43 PM

"You're Welcome: BP Voices From The Gulf"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjxtytNaX...

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Jun 15, 2012, at 10:28 PM

SD,

Thanks for posting the Op-Ed piece.

Its a well argued essay.

I concur with the author.

On a side note, just wait till those Tea Party folks who are about to retire see what Medicare WON'T pay for.

They may want to rethink their position on socialized medicine.

Recently my elderly Mom, who is terminally ill, required some emergency medical treatment related to her illness. It also requires some lengthy nursing home care. So naturally, my wife and I thoroughly researched American Medicare to see what medical coverage my Mom has.

My wife and I were shocked by what American Medicare won't cover.

I wonder if most Americans have any idea just how far behind the rest of the World America is in this regard?

Anyway, a whole bunch of those conservatives will soon be learning 1st-hand about inadequate health care coverage.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Jun 15, 2012, at 4:44 PM

gentle ben

All isn't all that well in Australia.

Its true our economy is one of the best in the World, and its been that way for a number of years, but now we are beginning to see some cracks in the armor, sort-to-speak, with rising unemployment in New South Wales.

As to rich Australian families, have you ever heard of the Murdochs?

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Jun 15, 2012, at 4:00 PM

My apologies if someone has already posted a link to this article. Just learned of it myself.

I think this should be required reading for all voters in 2012.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/l...

Please, conservatives, do yourself a favor and read this with whatever small amount of open-mindedness you can muster. Revealing, I think, but not painful.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Fri, Jun 15, 2012, at 3:58 PM

One more thought - and then I'll hush for now - but the latest thesis vs. antithesis artificially formed by the masters to create more chaos seems to be one that was invented to replace the Communism-v-Capitalism battle we knew during the cold war. This one pits Nationalism (or Patriotism) against Universalism - with Nationalists being demonized and Universalists being held up as role models. Just my observations - but scary nonetheless.

-- Posted by gentle ben on Fri, Jun 15, 2012, at 3:32 PM

I do not believe it is simply an American problem - I think there are ten specific international "families" if you will who control it all and who use the puppets to do their "dirty work" so to speak. Reader be warned, however - the dirty work doesn't always look so dirty to the masses. The way I see it - the families are divided by nation as follows: USA - 2; South Africa - 1; France - 3; Austria - 1; Great Britain - 1; Spain - 1; and Canada - 1. (No one from Australia - maybe that's why all is well down under?) Interesting to note that the lion's share of these puppeteers are from what is commonly known as the European Community. (Which seems to be in quite a shambles right now)

-- Posted by gentle ben on Fri, Jun 15, 2012, at 3:25 PM

GB,

The real puppet masters are easy to identify, after all, there aren't many of them. They are the 1%. They are the top richest families who own and control over 98% of the means of production and distribution.

The French People had a similar problem.

The solution came via an unusual source, an Italian Physician by the name of Dr. Guillotine.

We are the 99% and we can do anything we want to do, but we have to want it bad enough.

Hard times, they are a comin' and eventually we might even get hungry enough to start putting those old French Guillotines to good use.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Jun 15, 2012, at 3:13 PM

A final word to contemplate this weekend - it seems that the puppeteers are constantly creating two opposing forces which clash. Chaos ensues (think Nazis and Soviets - or just look at World War II, for example). And it is through this chaos that the puppeteers' plan for control (global domination) finds its life and execution - or more simply put - the battle brings order out of chaos.

-- Posted by gentle ben on Fri, Jun 15, 2012, at 2:17 PM

"There are two great forces in the world - Each is directed form the same boardroom." James Knox

Their mantra ... "Ordo Ab Chao" ... Order Out of Chaos.

-- Posted by gentle ben on Fri, Jun 15, 2012, at 2:02 PM

Amen Gentle Ben!

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Jun 15, 2012, at 1:50 PM

Congresswoman Vicky has a new blog post up if you want some laughs.

To save time, let me summarize. It's all Obama's fault the economy is slow and congress can't get anything done.

She's now using the US Chamber of Commerce as a credible source. That's funny, right there.

It's like saying "According to economic analyst Rush Limbaugh" or "Per expert sources at Fox News."

You know now that I have convinced myself to look at contemporary American politics as comedy, along the lines of a circus full of poorly trained performers, it is much more entertaining.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Fri, Jun 15, 2012, at 12:56 PM

Has anyone else noticed that the marionettes in the media are already talking about a possible clash between what they expect to be a resurgence of the Clinton "dynasty" and the Bush "dynasty" come 2016?

It's really appalling to think that intelligent people do not understand that the Clintons and the Bushes (along with Reagan, Gingrich, Dole, and the lot) are all just puppets being played by some very powerful puppet-masters?

As one writer put it - this group has the world ensnared in the tentacles of social control that operates on all levels of the socio-economic ladder.

A "war" between dynasties that are controlled by the same puppet-masters can't be a real war, can it? Then again - the major news sources are controlled by the same puppet-masters.

Sounds like they're setting the stage for some changes.

-- Posted by gentle ben on Fri, Jun 15, 2012, at 12:38 PM

ND,

Yeah I read about that.

Of course I doubt they will get that though Parliament.

Our PM has about had it politically already, and she has 0 (zero) support amongst the voters. This leak will probably be the end of her and her Party's control of government.

Governments often collude in secrecy, but such collusion does not necessarily reflect the Will of the People, and in a free and open Democracy, such as Australia, that Will makes all the difference.

Perhaps the only real question left is which will go 1st, our PM and her Party, or the crazy notion that the People of Australia and the States of Australia (which have more power than the Federal Government) will approve of surrendering their National sovereignty in this regard.

Anyway, its interesting.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Jun 14, 2012, at 10:32 PM

Is the pursuit of certified racial "purity" by conservative politicians in Europe a sign of the times, and can we expect Republicans in America to follow suit??

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/06/14/sc...

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Jun 14, 2012, at 8:40 PM

r,

Very interesting article mate.

I have to agree, we do have a debt problem that needs to be addressed, but until the House Republicans get serious about across the board cuts which include getting the out-of-control military spending significantly reduced, we probably won't see any real action on the debt.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Jun 14, 2012, at 7:07 AM

More Evidence the GOP is Not Serious About Spending

http://www.redstate.com/erick/2012/06/14...

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, Jun 14, 2012, at 6:26 AM

OKR,

Has it crossed your mind that we may have run out of conservative opposition in this forum.

What the heck are going to do if rr doesn't come back? Twittle our thumbs and talk about the good old days?

Fortunately, I have an idea that just might work.

We bring in a ringer. You know, a realy, truly crazy conservative who has absolutely no shame what-so-ever.

I found this fella on you tube.

"The Only Way Obama Wins In 2012 Is If He Steals The Election!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xS80GRUE...

This guy makes rr look like a bleeding heart liberal.

He would be perfect for this forum.

I figure maybe we could invite him to start posting comments here, and trust me, this fellow has a lot to say.

Anyway, have a look and let me know what you think (lol).

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Jun 14, 2012, at 2:15 AM

Can anyone watch this and not want to rebel against this system we live in? what will it take for everyone to rise up? One day you won't have Social Security, NO Hospitals Public School,Safe food,No Power,No Bridages,no Roads No Nothing! They want to Privatize everything,and exclude everyone that can't pay what ever they decide they want to charge you! What would they have if everyone just didn't show up one day? And didn't spend anything for a week or two? All this against the Middle Class and the poor sucks!! And have the nerve too blame OBAMA.If buy some strange reason the Republican should take back the Presidency,and Majority,everything the President has tried to Implement,they will do when they can take credit for it! Right now their ready to let the Country go down the Tubes! That's what i call a skanky bunch of Pigs that should be put in front of a firing squad!

-- Posted by Jo on Wed, Jun 13, 2012, at 10:37 PM

Yeah r,

This place would be pretty boring without ya buddy.

Besides, you make some really challenging arguments sometimes...better than most on your side of the aisle.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Jun 13, 2012, at 10:23 PM

Jo,

You are no fool. When your posts pop up, we are going to hear common sense. In other words, you are the innocent child on the sidelines pointing out that the Emperor is not wearing clothes.

Our children need classes in common sense. And we need your thoughts.

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Wed, Jun 13, 2012, at 10:15 PM

rr3 just want you to know that you are appreciated. It is a difficult situation on these blogs for you, and I appreciate that there is at least one Conservative who brings his best to the blogs. You are a Mensch. :)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Jun 13, 2012, at 6:16 PM

FOUND IT!

It originally aired in Feb.

Anyway, I strongly recommend watching it.

"bbc report on poverty in america"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gz23Otv7m...

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Jun 13, 2012, at 4:46 PM

OKR,

Make that the BBC, not ABC.

I will see if I can find a link to it and post it when I find it, in case you or anyone who might want to see it.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Jun 13, 2012, at 4:40 PM

OKR,

That is a very Interesting article.

And scary!

Again we are given a choice -- a rock or a hard place.

Last night our ABC (our version of public TV) did a report on the massive growth of poverty in the USA and I have to tell ya, it was truly shocking.

It was like watching a report on a 3rd World nation, but it was the USA, not a 3rd World nation...(yet).

I wonder just how bad things have to get before folks realize conservatism and conservative policies are pushing our Nation over the cliff?

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Jun 13, 2012, at 3:58 PM

Eric you have a pretty tall order here of policing these blogs. You tripled your workload when you added the political and religious blog. I enjoy all of them and I think when our post is deleted we automatically see bias. I think you have been as fair as you can possibly be.

I would like to thank all that participated in my experiment. Some results were a surprise, most were not. There say there is a fine line between genius and idiot and there is not much gray area.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Jun 13, 2012, at 3:49 PM

In the beginning i thought there was a little Bias going on. But anytime i hear the word Editor or Edit my antenna go's up. In no way do i think any of the people i read on here would except Censorship! Well, maybe 1 But usually i skip over nonsense!

-- Posted by Jo on Wed, Jun 13, 2012, at 2:53 PM

More evidence that one world corporatism is a part of the Obama Administrations agenda. Would Romney be any different? Naw, we're screwed.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/13...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Jun 13, 2012, at 10:28 AM

Jo,

We have the Constitutional right to free speech and a free press.

However, we do not have the right to force someone else to print our words in their publication.

Every news publisher has at least 1 editor and most have several editors. It is the editor's job to decide what will and will not appear in that publication.

In no way does the editor or the publication have an obligation to publish anything other than those things he or she deems acceptable for said publication, for whatever reason, whatever purpose, and whatever utility he or she applies to same.

Only the owner or the owner's designated agent (the editor for example) have any say about what appears in their publication. After all, its their publication.

As for Eric, he is a very fair person, of excellent, professional character, and a dedicated journalist. In fact mate, I have been posting here a long time and I have never known Eric to be 1 bit biased or preferential, and he has always enforced the MDN commenting policy fairly and equally.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Jun 13, 2012, at 2:49 AM

Jo I think you missed the point of my comment. I was not advocating censorship. What I meant to say, perhaps I wasn't clear, is that through discussion we can persuade people to drop the nasty comments, or at least shame them into it, and that route is superior to censoring. Censoring to me should only be a last resort, in a private forum, and seldom if ever, used in a public forum. This site is a private forum, and we have absolutely no legal right to say anything. It is through the good graces, and tolerance of the editor that we have it. I for one am grateful to him.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Jun 13, 2012, at 12:14 AM

All of this about the Economy could be fixed tomorrow if the Congress wanted to resend their allegiance too Norquist and some Democrats! Put some Charges on these Billionaires for un American activities! Do something! Get behind another tougher Party! J. EDGER HOOVER COULD HAVE HELPED WITH SOME OF THESE FOOLS!

-- Posted by Jo on Tue, Jun 12, 2012, at 9:32 PM

NEWS ,OKLA,: I think your advocating censorship when you agree with Eric Crump! Everyone should be able to express there opinion without being censored, with in reason.I know Eric has deleted some of the thing i have said,and would have showed my Ignorance in some of them!But in no way should have been Censored! the World has been through that before! Fools like myself and many others have made stupid statements and will continue until we wise up! So Eric in my opinion you've be doing better,letting People either make fools of them selves, or intelligent Statements! Like most on this blog!

-- Posted by Jo on Tue, Jun 12, 2012, at 9:13 PM

Ya know, personally I think our First Lady is a truly extraordinary woman.

Her resume is very impressive.

And as if her education and her career in law are enough to impress, she also has extraordinary beauty.

http://links.ezinemark.com/images_screen...

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Jun 12, 2012, at 6:14 PM

cheesehead

Excellent point!

Excellent question!

Good on ya mate!!!

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Jun 12, 2012, at 3:51 PM

Interested Too,

Its very possible that when you watch Fox news and/or listen to Rush Limbaugh that you become immune to name calling, charcter assaination, and turn a blind eye to instituitional racism and still can call yourself a Christian. The question I have is why is this still acceptable?

-- Posted by cheesehead on Tue, Jun 12, 2012, at 3:01 PM

First trip to this forum, and while I had no quarrel with rr over on the religion forum (even though we disagree), his comments here in the political forum somewhat nullify his claims on being a Christian. I know a lot of religious people, and they generally state their opinions without acrimony.

I hope that rr will recant the name calling and keep the discussions civil and rational.

-- Posted by Interested Too on Tue, Jun 12, 2012, at 11:45 AM

Although name calling such as referring to the first lady of our nation as Moochelle is insulting to her, and irritating to many citizens for obvious reasons, where is the real harm? Eleanor Roosevelt suffered greater castigation in her day, and it, over time has certainly not sullied the reputation of that great lady. First ladies make their own reputations despite ignorant, and hateful remarks by those on the fringe of the left, or the right. Sometimes such things in the long haul even help to define their greatness, i. e. to be opposed, and insulted mostly by dolts, and hate mongers is affirmation of their essential goodness.

The other positive from not censoring such remarks is that they trivialize, and categorize, fairly, or not, any other point such writers, or speakers are attempting to make, rendering them insignificant to the most of us. Every time they shoot off their mouth in such manner they shoot themselves in the foot.

I have been irritated by the appellation Moochelle used over, and over by a writer on this blog, but had not said anything about it until others raised the subject. I was glad that he waved such an offensive flag, showing his true colors, over, and over to us all.

I doubt that we will see the word Moochelle again in this forum, not because Eric will censor it, but because through continued free discourse the writer has realized it harms his over all message, and that it has been marginalized by rational discussion. I am of the optimistic opinion that the flow of free speech will find the necessary true course, if not dammed, or otherwise impeded, even though at times it overflows with impropriety.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Jun 12, 2012, at 10:54 AM

I'm with upsedaisy, I thought the blog had rules regarding name calling.

Eric must have considered the source and let it slide. Repeatedly. Over a period of months.

I have learned that what folks say about others says more about them than the person they are talking about. Especially in our little corner of the world.

The psychologists call it 'projection' or 'transferrence' or something like that. Anyways, one's comments regarding others can provide a view into who they are.

Consider, for example, a person who thinks beating children is a good idea because a)"I deserved to be beat when I was a kid"; b)it will make them respect authority in spite of overwhelming evidence to the contrary; and c)Dobson says it's a good idea.

Speaks volumes if you listen.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Tue, Jun 12, 2012, at 8:10 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Public figures, especially those as powerful as the president and first lady, are usually open to more pointed criticism than others, but I agree, name-calling is not legitimate criticism and I promise to do a better job monitoring the practice.

Thanks News, back at you.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Jun 12, 2012, at 12:13 AM

OKR,

Well said mate.

You have a wonderful gift with words my friend...and a whole lot of wisdom to boot.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Jun 11, 2012, at 8:56 PM

UpseDaisy, good to hear from you, hope all is well.

Unfortunately one of the hate filled folks on the far right exhibiting the cleverness of a somewhat slow sixth grade boy thought up "Moochelle", and exhilirated by his brilliance sent it by e mail to all his like minded friends. From there it went viral among the similarly challenged.

Though it is somewhat lesser in achievement than the average flatulence joke, they can not resist repeating it over, and over. Wait a minute, that is what three year olds do. Perhaps I over estimated their level of maturity, and intelligence. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Jun 11, 2012, at 7:53 PM

What happened in Wisconsin can and will happen in the National Election! Its either Voter fraud or People that don,t care! I would like to know the turn out? how many didn't Vote? I didn't get it at the time. This is hard to figure out, its hard to even make a guess at whats going on. Everyone was thinking about a turn around on Walker,for sure! It can't be just Money. The People don't pay any attention to Protest anymore.Educate me Please!!

-- Posted by Jo on Mon, Jun 11, 2012, at 7:43 PM

upsedaisy

I just want you to know you are not alone.

No matter who the First Lady is, she does not serve in an elected office and is only First Lady because of her husband's job. In my mind, the First Lady, no matter her husband's political party, is above reproach and should absolutely be treated with respect.

Its sad when calm, rational discourse devolves into ugly, disrespectable name calling.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Jun 11, 2012, at 7:18 PM

Is it showing respect for the office of the President of the United States of America to refer to the present duly elected official and his wife as "Obummer and Moochelle"? Times change. I remember April 1945. A tavern owner of German descent in Sedalia MO was convicted of sedition for stomping on FDR's picture when FDR died.

If I recall correctly he served six months in a federal prison in Kansas.

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Mon, Jun 11, 2012, at 6:42 PM

"'Where are the jobs?' David Cay Johnston debunks GOP theory behind lowering taxes on the wealthy"

http://current.com/shows/viewpoint/video...

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Jun 11, 2012, at 2:39 AM

There is no excuse for the Republican Party putting a gun to the heads of the American People and threatening to pull the trigger if they don't get their way as they did during the so-called "budget crisis".

The only "crisis" was the Republican Party in the House of Representatives absolutely refused to meet their Constitutional obligation to pass a budget acceptable to the American People in a reasonable and timely manner.

We the People will show them what we think of Republican disloyalty to America in November...you can bet on that. I am even planning to head home for a while just to make sure my vote is cast for the only party that actually has a plan, the Democrats.

Besides, no self-respecting American would even consider voting for a party that has 1 goal, the economic collapse of America in the hope that they will get political gain out of it, which is what every Republican leader has cited as their primary goal.

The Democrats have both positive goals and a plsn.

The Republicans only offer us failure.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Jun 11, 2012, at 12:58 AM

Kind of like no budget for the last 3+ years and Obummercare that will officially wreck our economy that was shoved down our throats. The only positive thing is that Obummer and the liberals get fired in November and we could get Trump to tell them "You're fired". Then we could release this regime's stranglehold on businesses, get people back to work, work at energy independence and not have blame somebody else for the dismal failure you have caused. Obummer and Moochelle "You're fired". Go back to Chicago with all the other thugs.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sun, Jun 10, 2012, at 10:09 PM

"Van Jones slams Huckabee: 'The average teacher doesn't make $100,000"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/06/10/va...

with video

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Jun 10, 2012, at 6:50 PM

Nor have We the People forgotten how every Republican in the House of Representatives signed a document pledging their allegiance to Grover Norquist.

We need leaders who pledge their allegiance to the United States of America -- not politicians who pledge their allegiance to Grover Norquist.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Jun 10, 2012, at 6:21 PM

Oh and don't think we the voters have forgotten how the Republicans in the House put a gun to our head during the "budget crisis" and threatened to kill our economy and our Nation if all their demands were not met.

The Republicans said early on that they wanted our Nation to fail, including the defacto Republican Party Chairman, Rush Limbaugh.

We the voters don't need a government who's goal is failure.

We need leadership with positive goals and a plan to achieve those goals.

The Democrats have both positive goals and a plsn.

The Republicans only offer us failure.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Jun 10, 2012, at 6:04 PM

Folks, as you know, I am a political independent.

I am not a republican, and I do not normally vote Republican.

I am not a Democrat, and I do not normally vote Democrat.

I believe both of these parties have failed you and me, our Founding Fathers, and the generations to come.

However, I have noticed the Democrats are offering up potentially workable solutions, while the Republicans offer us no plans at all.

And as if the lack of any plans what-so-ever by the Republicans wasn't bad enough, it appears the Republican goal, as stated by Republicans so many times over the past 4 years, is to cause our economy to fail, and with it our Nation.

That is downright unAmerican!!!

So, I want to thank the Republicans for helping me see the light.

The Republicans have proven one thing to this independent voter...

...the Republican Party wants the USA to fail.

I don't like that one little bit.

When Republicans want America to fail -- and please don't say they don't want that because the Republican leadership has stated for the record that their goal is to see America fail, many times -- then they are calling for the failure of my friends, my family, and me.

I take that personally.

I will be voting Democrat this time around.

At least they have a positive goal and a plan.

It sure beats the Republican effort to destroy our economy and our Nation.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Jun 10, 2012, at 4:31 PM

Jo,

you hit the nail right on the head mate.

The number one threat to democracy is ignorance, and it is widespread ignorance that fuels fascist conservatism.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Jun 10, 2012, at 3:57 PM

Yes News its a shame our Democracy has come to what we have now! Its disheartening to see we have come so far and have gone NOWERE! That's way i feel that drastic things have to happen too get us back on track.Its amazing when when i talk to Veterans( the old guys),like my self about these things, and they seem so uninformed about what going on these days! Trusting of Government! Shocking too me!

-- Posted by Jo on Sun, Jun 10, 2012, at 3:26 PM

rr,

It would appear yet again that the facts trump your unsupported position.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Jun 10, 2012, at 3:00 PM

Does the license to cheat require a photo?

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Sun, Jun 10, 2012, at 8:52 AM

When the feds sue a state for requiring a photo id to vote, but the Obummer's require a photo id to attend one of their functions, what is wrong with this picture? The fed suing a state trying to take dead people off the voting roles saying they cannot do this, is this a license to cheat, Democrats?

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sun, Jun 10, 2012, at 8:17 AM

Jo,

I was born about 15 years after WW2 started and I grew up hearing all kinds of war stories from the vets who fought that war.

I also grew up hearing the stories of the WW 1 vets.

They knew fascism and imperialism were evil. They thought fascism and imperialism were so wrong that they volunteered to fight it, and in doing so, they hoped to spare their children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren any chance of having to live under fascism.

Those brave American, British, and Russian men and women in WW2 succeeded against all odds in vanquishing the greatest evil mankind had ever faced.

How sad it is that generations later, the United States has de-evolved into the most fascist, most imperialist nation on Earth. This is particularly sad in view of that great generation of Americans who bravely fought a brutal war to destroy that evil in the first place.

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Jun 9, 2012, at 11:54 PM

Like i have said before ,there is one way to fix this Country.A complete change of this System we have now! Our Employees,in Washington have everyone in place to keep things as (they) see fit and nothing short of violence will change it! How violent, remains to be seen! Its in our History! People are tired of having NO say even when they VOTE! I **** sure don't trust the voting in this Country! And the Supreme Court is one big sham! The People of this Country are disgusting, when they Vote against their own Economic Survival! Its totally unbelievable to me!

-- Posted by Jo on Sat, Jun 9, 2012, at 10:27 PM

Gee...just look at our "Choices" for the high Office of President,...

(A) one fellow who ordered the murder of 2 American-born, American citizens and claims the right to order the murder of any and all Americans he wants to murder

and

(B) the other fellow who congratulated him for doing so.

Am I the only American who has a problem with that fact?

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Jun 9, 2012, at 6:27 PM

A sign of the times?

"Benito Mussolini speeches become Apple iTunes hit"

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/ap...

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Jun 9, 2012, at 5:21 PM

Smart Dog

The internal political infighting between 2 rival factions of the Unified Fascist Party, the Republican faction and the Democrat faction, are of no interest to this independent voter.

I don't vote for fascists nor do I support their fascist policies.

And I sure as heck am not fooled by the illusion of democracy in America.

Democracy in America died on December 12, 2000 and I see every indication that from there things have only gotten worse...and none to the contrary.

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Jun 9, 2012, at 4:56 PM

I'm with you on this one Smart Dog. Excellent comment by you,and thanks for the link.

"The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president."-Mitch McConnell,Leader of Senate Republicans

Partisan priorities above all else? To me that is traitorous to the country. Yet it is the number one goal of Republican leadership. People have been hauled before a firing squad, and shot for less egregious behavior.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Jun 9, 2012, at 1:18 PM

A video of some of Romney's flip flops!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BI9yjhd8b...

-- Posted by cheesehead on Sat, Jun 9, 2012, at 1:06 PM

While I may not be enamored of some things Mr. Obama is doing in the name of attempted bipartisanship and compromise, I still have some faith that the democrats don't do things like this.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/...

Of course, I'm not so sure that the Democratic Party is organized enough, or agree with each other enough, or are clever enough to pull something like that off.

Like I have thought and said for years, the problem I have with neo-conservatives is that while some of their policies have merit, they are willing to damage our democratic republic just to win elections and control the government.

They passed up "drunk with power" long ago and now are firmly planted in the "power junky" category. Not being able to see or do anything except that which provides the next "I'm in charge here, dammit" fix.

Righties have demonstrated a total lack of concern for the 'great unwashed masses' (us) in favor of the moneyed folks who fund their wasteful brainwashing campaigns just to be able to say they are "in charge" and then stuff money it their pockets as fast as possible.

Today conservatives claim to hate the government's role in redistribution of wealth, yet what I see is that they love redistribution; they just promote a different version. They favor taking away from the middle class and giving it to those at the top of the capitalist pyramid, as opposed to liberals who think it should come from the top and go to those on the bottom.

What is most strange to me is the success the neo-cons have had in convincing those funding this 'money siphon,' the working class, to vote for economic policies that actually take money out of their own pockets.

Perhaps PT Barnum was right, there is a fool born every minute.

Of course the right wingers who can are slowing the economy down on purpose. Does anybody think that rr3, if he was in a position to do so, would do one dang thing to try and revive the economy right now? Would he hire an unemployed person right now if he had the need, or would fear that somehow it might make the President look better hold him back?

Not meaning to attack you rr3, it's just that you make a perfect example of what I am talking about. I think we all know that you would do anything within your power to defeat Mr. Obama, regardless of the impact on society, right now.

So if r is a good example of today's 21st century neo-con, then it should be obvious to anyone paying attention that about 49% of voters right now are doing all they can to keep things looking as bad as possible in America.

Another of those fundamental facts I learned in my brief political science education. "When your party is out of power you want the public to hate the government."

NOt sure why I still marvel at things like this that I learned years ago when I observe them in real life. They would not have been teaching them if they were not true, I reckon.

This could lead to a rant about how the money spent by both candidates and the associated Super Pac's (thanks for making things worse, Supreme Court) per month to win this stinkin' election is more than the funding for research programs in things like prostate cancer plus funding for the Large Hadron Collider plus various National Institutes for Health programs in gene therapy. (Scientific American, April 2012)

As I have bored most readers to sleep by now, I'll refrain from another dissertation on the corrupting influence of money on politics, another fact of political science.

Most folks are already decided, let's just have this election next week, and then spend all that SuperPac money creating jobs for folks and solving some societal woes.

Who's with me?

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Sat, Jun 9, 2012, at 9:15 AM

In fact, let's see just how different Obama is from Bush.

It doesn't take a lot of fact checking to realize their administrations are almost identical despite the pre-election Obama promises to take a far different approach.

"Despite Campaign Promises, President Obama Adopts President Bush's Policy of Secrecy"

http://www.democracynow.org/2009/6/17/de...

"Among other things, since taking office Obama has:"

http://stpeteforpeace.org/obama.html

"Targeted Killings"

http://www.cfr.org/counterterrorism/targ...

"Obama takes Bush's secrecy games one step further"

http://www.salon.com/2012/03/26/obama_ta...

Gee...I wonder what changed Obama's mind?

He only works for the top 1%, and as for Romney, he IS IN the top 1%. He is one of them -- not one of us. So either way ya go, it doesn't matter. You, me, and everyone else in the 99% are just serfs to be used, as far as the real American power is concerned.

I don't like it any more than you mate, but we can't ignore such a severe 180 degree turn as we saw with Obama.

Something has gone seriously wrong with our democracy.

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Jun 9, 2012, at 5:10 AM

OKR,

Lol...mate it doesn't matter one bit if you do vote or not.

It doesn't matter if you vote Democrat.

It doesn't matter if you vote Republican.

Whoever wins, from either major party, he/she is only working for the folks who bought him/her -- the Waltons, the Koch Brothers, the Rockefellers, ect.

American elections are, for all practical purposes, meaningless gestures of futility.

It serves its rich masters by fooling the serfs with an illusion of democratic participation.

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Jun 9, 2012, at 3:04 AM

News I won't be voting for a presidential candidate this November. Here's why; My vote for any Democrat candidate for Prez won't count in this the reddest of red states. There will be only Dem, and Repub on the ballot. Due to the outmoded electoral college my failing to vote for the lesser of evils will be of no consequence.

However, if I were in a swing state I would vote for the Democratic candidate, only because of potential Supreme Court nominees in the next presidential term.

As is I am defacto disenfranchised when it comes to presidential elections. My vote counts only if I vote Republican. It stinks.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Jun 9, 2012, at 1:28 AM

More evidence that Obama is just another corporate shill. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47745646/ns/...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Jun 9, 2012, at 1:14 AM

OKR,

Regarding fracking,

The United States and all its various states comprise a corrupt plutocracy.

Only the 1% richest Americans matter.

But hey, be sure and get out there election day and vote...lol.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Jun 8, 2012, at 10:43 PM

False prosperity: Is it really prosperity in North Dakota when the cost is destruction of Mother Earth? The Motherfrackers are destroying the soil, and water there. Perhaps Mother Earth will shrug as if to rid herself of an irksome pest, and houses will tumble to the ground. We shall see. http://openchannel.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Jun 8, 2012, at 6:37 PM

CORRECTION:

"... with nothing more than foodstamps and welfare is easy livin',,,"

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Jun 8, 2012, at 6:02 PM

Anyone who thinks providing for children with nothing more than foodstamps and welfare ought to actually try living on it for a year or 2.

I bet they would be singing a whole new tune at that point.

Blaming the poor for being poor is a superficial view at best and has no basis in fact.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Jun 8, 2012, at 5:59 PM

So, rr3, I'm still waiting for a plan to deal with the 'unemployable' that exist in society.

"Vote Conservative" is not a plan, it's a slogan.

What do we do with those who don't have the mental capacity, or the physical ability, to perform a job in a company that needs to be productive to be profitable?

What do you do with the unemployable in a totally capitalist system?

Any answers that don't have the words "Obummer" in them?

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Fri, Jun 8, 2012, at 3:58 PM

This president for all of his faults has done an admirable job considering the problems he inherited. What are we to do? Let's folks starve? Is that what your god would want? Any system can and will be abused. From the welfare system to the banking system. Should you not also demand bankers be punished along side the poor?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, Jun 8, 2012, at 3:58 PM

I worry about you r. I am afraid that one of these years, just before Christmas, you will be visited by three ghosts. It is not the visits I am concerned about. It is that I am certain that you will not heed those ghosts, and instead will argue with them, even insisting that poor houses be shut down. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Jun 8, 2012, at 12:03 PM

rr3! That's exactly why we need Socialism with some tweaking! There nothing that can't be fixed, that's fair to everyone? The People's welfare should come first! You must be a miserable Man ,inside your head with some of the statement you make against the needy! But i'm sorry to see you have a lot of Company with this miserable attitude of this, (I got mine, you scratch for yours!) You must be a non-God Fearing Man like me?

-- Posted by Jo on Fri, Jun 8, 2012, at 11:50 AM

The number of people on food stamps have doubled under Obummer. Do anyone think Obummer is abusing the system? Man if we have 4 more years of this it will be worse then Oh Bummer!!

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Fri, Jun 8, 2012, at 11:43 AM

rr3yvo,

There will always be people who abuse a system. Those abuses should be dealt with. Do you think conservatives ever abuse any part of the system?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, Jun 8, 2012, at 5:37 AM

"The Rise of Italian Fascism (History in color)"

1/5

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToO4Inbao...

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Jun 8, 2012, at 2:38 AM

OKR,

I believe ignorance can lead to fascism.

It certainly has done so in the past, and about the only way the majority of Americans seem to be able to understand the warnings of the past is to re-live the past.

Its a shame really.

One day, Americans may wake up to the dangers of fascist conservatism, but probably not until its too late.

An excerpt from:

"They Thought They Were Free:

The Germans, 1933-45"

Milton Mayer

http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chica...

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Jun 8, 2012, at 2:10 AM

Poll finds George W. Bush the most unpopular living President. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/07...

How can that be? We are about to elect a presidential candidate who advocates a return to the same policies that made Bush unpopular. Stupid is as stupid does.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Jun 8, 2012, at 1:13 AM

SD anybody that deals with the public deals with it. I see people on disability working for cash so they keep their check. I see people that keep going to different doctors until they get one that will help them prove they are disabled. I see parents that let their kids live with them, with their boyfriends, so they can have babies, so they can get food stamps and a government check. It's just one big happy family. I see people that can work and you help them get a job and quite within a week because it is much easier to set at home and get the money out of the mailbox.

I also see people that need disability and go for months or even years and they can't get it. They work at what they can to eat and get by. Now that is somebody I can help. I see people looking for work taking any odd job they can to scrape by refusing to burden the taxpayers except as a last resort. Now there is someone I can help. I see people that are in a wheelchair but they work everyday they have to specially equip their car and if you go with them somewhere they don't want you to help them. They want to be treated like a normal person. Now there is someone I would be happy to help.

You liberals want to help so you can feel good about yourself. How much damage has government assistance done to the family unit? Every time the Republicans try to do anything to change it you liberals scream that they are going to take food out of the children's mouth. or starve Grandma. kick her out to the curb. Really? You just can't see it. You want to be God because you don't believe there is one. Why are most of the states with the worst financial mess are run by liberals. They aren't Democrats they are liberals. Just look at Illinois especially Chicago. We got the Chicago mob running Washington. We need politicians with a spine to say we can't afford this any longer, we can't afford to support people that don't need it, we need to stop the bleeding of the Obummer machine and the voters need a spine to vote that they have had enough but will the takers out vote the producers? We will see in November. See you at the polls. BE THERE!

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, Jun 7, 2012, at 9:43 PM

rr3yvo,

Ok...I'll bite and ask you yet again. Just what exactly are you right about? Be specific.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Thu, Jun 7, 2012, at 9:17 PM

"ought to tell the liberals something but I doubt they will ever see it."

Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, Jun 7, 2012, at 12:39 PM

RIGHT AGAIN!!! CHA CHING!!!!

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, Jun 7, 2012, at 9:11 PM

"Panetta: US patience with Pakistan 'reaching the limits"

http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/201...

UH OHHHHHH!!

I wonder what makes him think we can "win" a war with nuclear power Pakistan?

After all, not only do they have a massive nuclear weapons arsenal, but the also have a huge population of 173 million, suicidally fanatical Muslims fulling willing to gladly fight to the death against the "Great Satan," aka, America.

This war would be very bloody for us, and if Republican/Democrat Neoclassical economic policies don't collapse the economy, a war with Pakistan will certainly do it.

Fasten your seat-belts folks, it looks like Fascist America's road to self-destruction is about to get a whole lot rougher.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Jun 7, 2012, at 6:20 PM

rr,

Laying off government workers in a deflationary economy strangles the economy.

It means decreased consumption in an already deflated economy. That is a recipe for disaster.

If the Republican/Democrat fascists keep this up, soon you too will be seeking new employment in a nation of no jobs.

One would think folks would have learned something from the last collapse.

Oh well, it won't be me who suffers.

Good luck supporting failed economic policies...see how that works out for you mate...'cause the Mother of all economic collapse sure is comin' and comin' right soon.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Jun 7, 2012, at 4:32 PM

Nana,

Perhaps rr3 is a postman, a semi-government worker with plenty of benefits and several strong unions representing the clerks, city letter carriers, and even rural letter carriers.

I also believe that it takes quite a leap to equate organized labor with welfare.

But I digress.

Like abortion, "welfare reform" is a beautiful glittering generality loved by political scientists everywhere that means almost nothing.

One of those concepts that are great for sound bites. "Working people should be upset that their hard earned dollars are funding deadbeats." Sure plays well during a campaign, but I have yet to see either party do much in the way of elimination of support systems.

Conservatives had sole control of the federal government for six years (2000-2006). Did they put a dent in supposed outrageous "welfare spending?" I sure didn't hear anything about it.

Those who clamor for making the recipients pick up trash or do other community service work are not seeing the costs associated with that. Are they covered by workers comp while picking up trash, and who pays for that? Who supervises and sets schedules? How do you deal with child care? On the job injuries? Transportation to and from work?

I fear that welfare is a given in a capitalist system. Business can not suffer the cost of employing the 'unemployable' by making jobs for those who don't bring much to the party, and we can't just shoot them, then what does a society do with the folks that either won't or can't contribute?

I would be interested in hearing rr3's solution to that.

It is a given in any society that there will always be those considered poor performers. The Native Americans just banished them from the tribe where they either succumbed to the elements, or became renegades, even that didn't work so well. So what's the solution? Ship them off to another country? It appears that's what Castro did back a couple generations ago.

Also, keep in mind that rich folks get plenty of handouts from various government agencies. I sure don't hear the conservatives yelling to cut oil subsidies, or restore the capital gains tax, or eliminate 'no-bid contracts,' or cut tobacco subsidies, or cut defense spending which is somewhat out of control, or stop providing tax cuts to business in the name of job creation.

I believe this is one of those issues that no one has a clue how to deal with on either side of the aisle.

Even with job creation, there are those who just don't have the tools to be of value to business. Also, is it fair to call subsidies or tax breaks for business good while calling handouts to poor or handicapped folks bad? Both use my payroll tax dollars.

One thing for sure, no politician will touch the issue with a 10' pole unless he thinks it garners more votes, therefore it is better for them to talk about welfare reform than to actually execute welfare reform.

Another red herring election year issue in a country loaded up to the gills with meaningless election year issues if you ask me.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Thu, Jun 7, 2012, at 4:23 PM

rr3yvo,

Exactly what are you "right" about? Be specific...

-- Posted by What the f...... on Thu, Jun 7, 2012, at 4:01 PM

You know Wisconsin ought to tell the liberals something but I doubt they will ever see it. The taxpayer is getting fed up with government being generous with the money they work hard for to pay taxes. They are being fed up with unions and state employees getting far more generous benefits on their dime. Unions also took a hit in Californis in San Diego. Look around I am sure you can read about it. People are also getting fed up with our entitlement culture in this country. People simple too fat and lazy to work get disability and food stamps to sit around on their lazy butt. In my job I see the checks go out every month otherwise you wouldn't know. These people get up when they want to, go fishing or hunting when they want to, they eat better then the working family does, they can drink and smoke when they want, and otherwise just hang out together while we work to support them and their habits. I know there has to be some hard working liberals out there, why can't they see this corruption that lives next door to us and in our towns?

What is funny now after the loss in Wisconsin we are hearing very little about it and what we hear is being blown off as not to matter. Why did it matter so much before the vote? Liberals need to brace for an even bigger loss in November. Then it will be Taxpayers-2, Liberals-0. There is no need to compromise, stick to your guns and you can win, we have proof. Hopefully conservatives got the message.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, Jun 7, 2012, at 12:39 PM

Point made perfectly boy I am right, again!!!!

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, Jun 7, 2012, at 12:20 PM

rr3yvo,

I'll do you one better. I'll concede any point you've ever tried to make if you'll concede that Bush / Cheney are war criminals and should be treated as such. Deal?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Thu, Jun 7, 2012, at 7:16 AM

OKR,

Finally, the mystery has been solved (lol).

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Jun 7, 2012, at 1:37 AM

r said: "Okr I don't know any intelligent sane person that wouldn't take the Bush economy over what we are in now."

Finally r the mystery is solved as to why all your opinions are confounding. You don't really listen to any intelligent sane people. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Jun 7, 2012, at 12:31 AM

Personally rr,

I think the voters of Wisconsin would have been better off following the wisdom of an old Chinese proverb,

"Be careful what you choose, you just may get it."

Same with the rest of the Country.

Again, its times like these that I thank goodness I am not living in the most oppressive, corrupt nation in the World. I thank goodness I live in a free and democratic nation where folks still know the difference between fascism and democracy.

I hope someday Americans will learn to love democracy and freedom and cast away the conservative, fascist Iron Curtain that makes them virtual slaves to the top 1% of the population.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Jun 6, 2012, at 8:16 PM

rr,

Blaming liberals for the conservative policies of Obama?

Lol...mate let me know when Obama starts governing from the left because he hasn't yet.

As to winners and losers, the pending American economic collapse is a direct result of conservative Neoclassical economic policies used by both parties for the last 32 years.

Stop blaming liberals for the failure of conservativism.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Jun 6, 2012, at 4:51 PM

Like I said intelligent and sane!!!!!lol

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Jun 6, 2012, at 12:27 PM

MORE WARS! WE NEED MORE WARS! It's good for business.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Jun 6, 2012, at 12:12 PM

Okr I don't know any intelligent sane person that wouldn't take the Bush economy over what we are in now.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Jun 6, 2012, at 11:08 AM

r you are always saying that liberal policits don't work, and that Democratic Party policies don't work. Yet I never see you defend the eight years of the Bush debacle. Your response is invariably "lets talk about now".

I can only conclude that is tacit admission by you that Republican policies don't work either. Yet Republican Congressional members, as well as presidential, and congressional candidates only advocate returning to the Bush era policies, and procedures.

With (in your opinion) only those two failed policies available to us, do you advocate some third option that you have not expressed? You surely do not want a repeat of the devastating failures of Bush, so what are we to do?

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Jun 6, 2012, at 9:29 AM

"Anyone who quotes Rush Limbaugh as any sort of authority on anything is terribly misguided." - Smart Dog

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Wed, Jun 6, 2012, at 7:29 AM

"Barack Hussein Kardashian is what he has become. He is celebrity of the United States. He is not the president."- Rush

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Jun 6, 2012, at 5:23 AM

http://www.redstate.com/realquiet/2012/0...

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Jun 6, 2012, at 5:16 AM

Oh you mean the one's that run scared during the protest by leaving the state. Yeh I would be proud!

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Jun 6, 2012, at 5:09 AM

The Whupping in Wisconsin: Seven Key Conclusions

http://www.redstate.com/erick/2012/06/06...

It's funny how the liberal media tried to make us think this Wisconsin thing was a close race. Just like they keep trying to tell us how good Obama's economy is. I think you have to be brain dead to still believe them. Liberal policies don't work we have plenty of proof.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Jun 6, 2012, at 5:07 AM

Yeah but guess who controls the Wisconsin Senate now.

Let me give you a hint...it ain't the Republicans.

ROTFLMAO!!!

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Jun 6, 2012, at 5:07 AM

Wisconsin's Walker survives recall by wide margin

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/06/...

Taxpayers in Wisconsin won round one lets win round two in November.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Jun 6, 2012, at 5:00 AM

"Former Penn. GOP senator sentenced to prison for corruption"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/06/04/fo...

Ahahahahahahahahaha...

ROTFLMAO!!!

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Jun 5, 2012, at 12:10 AM

"Eliot Spitzer: U.S. needs 'big, old-fashioned Keynesian stimulus"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/06/04/el...

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Jun 4, 2012, at 11:38 PM

ND,

Right On!!!

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Jun 2, 2012, at 1:41 AM

Good to hear from you Jo, and thank you for the compliment. Thank you even more for being with us in the really important war we are fighting my brother.

It is a war against inequality, and ignorance. At the moment we are short on troops, and supplies; we may even be at our version of Valley Forge. We must, and shall prevail to save our nation.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Jun 2, 2012, at 1:01 AM

Nana, News, Okla,Smart Dog! Good for you guys,all made my day with your Article! I haven't heard it said better for a long time! Thanks!

-- Posted by Jo on Fri, Jun 1, 2012, at 9:20 PM

There is an old Roman Republic expression that describes well the state of affairs that seem to be transpiring right now in America, and it rings as true today as it was in Old Rome.

"panem et circenses"

"bread and circuses"

One of these days folks will be ready for real change. How far off that is depends on long they can stand being hungry while waiting for the promises.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Jun 1, 2012, at 6:21 PM

"Stormy Monday"

As performed by the "Allman Brothers Blues Band"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gDhR1R3S...

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Jun 1, 2012, at 5:37 PM

Smart Dog and OKR,

Excellent comments mates, and may I say SD you have summed up the problem pretty well.

In fact, the rest of the World can't help but wonder what is wrong with Americans?...especially regarding medical care access. I was shocked to see the pathetic program that was offered up to the public by the democrats and even more shocked to see some Americans dead set against it.

I still see my doctor for free, receive treatment and surgery for free, as well as related services such as blood testing, ultra-sounds, x-rays, and MRIs all for free. My taxes here are no higher than what I paid in the USA, I have never had to wait any longer than 10 minutes to see my GP, and the longest I ever waited to see a specialist was 2 days (I called day 1 to set the appointment and was able to see the specialist 2 days later -- compare that to the 2 months it took for me to see a specialist in America where I was fully insured).

I told folks back home about the great medical care access system socialized medicine provides, but I guess folks back home thought I was fibbing. Oh well...lol...its not me who is suffering. I figure Americans can keep their capitalist approach, which clearly does not work to provide equal, affordable medical care access to all Americans, and the rest of the World can keep its universal, easily affordable, socialized medical care access system.

It works for me.

I think the problem is that Americans insist on learning their lessons the hard way. Folks will eventually see the error of their ways when they get hungry enough but I doubt that by the time they figure out that the Republicans and conservative democrats have done them in they will be able to do anything to reverse it. With democracy a thing of the past in America now, its hard to see how such ill fortune can be reversed.

This is what happens when you trade a little bit of your liberty for a little bit of security...you end up with neither (Ben Franklin).

Personally, I would recommend non-violent revolution, but that hole conservatives have dug for themselves and the rest of America is pretty deep and getting out of that hole won't be easy.

I wish ya'll a lot of luck mate.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Jun 1, 2012, at 4:52 PM

Excellent piece Smart Dog, you nailed it.

The problem is that the Democrats seeing the Republican success with cynically deceitful tactics, and pushed in the same direction by those who finance national campaigns, far too often emulate them. The center has gradually shifted further to the right. There was a time, in our lifetimes, when a Republican President (Nixon) advocated tax payer financed universal health care.

The question is what can you, and I, and others of our ilk do to wake up the American people? It is a start to write opinion pieces such as the quality item that you just wrote.

We can also talk the talk in our daily conversations, but if we intend to influence those whose dearly held political beliefs, and tendencies are driven by emotion, not pragmatism, we can not be abrasive, nor personally condemning in the approach. We must first point out the truth that our entire federal government, Democrat, and Republicam is in the clutches of the rich, and no longer pays more than lip service to we the common people.

All of us have a populist streak, and recognize that problem, it is just manifested in different ways. Occupy Wall Street, and the Tea Party, are equally disgruntled, and are opposite sides of the same coin.

The trick is to convince those who emotionally rail at the status quo, and whose political beliefs are so entertwined with emotion that they are deaf to logic, and pragmatism that they literally can not hear it when it is expressed. Thus we must express logic, and pragmatism cloaked in appealing emotion.

For instance, the case for universal health care may be expressed: it is time to remove the burden of health care costs from hard working small businessmen by spreading the cost to us all. It is not fair to them to have to compete in the world market with all the foreign businesses that do not have the expense of paying for employee health care. Give U. S. small businesses an equal chance at success. That is just one example, there are of course many others.

Will it work? I do not know, but we have to try.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Jun 1, 2012, at 12:55 PM

I think many people today are missing an important point. The GOP has run a steady campaign to convince folks to vote based on emotion and intuition, rather than logic and reason, and it has worked like a charm.

Working class voters are racing off to the polls to vote for Republicans, the very group who seeks to favor corporations and the wealthy in all things from regulation to tax policy. As no one who works for a paycheck will ever benefit from GOP economics, they prey on the social issues of abortion and gay rights, promoting the belief that their Christian God, who is the only hope they have for a brighter future, doesn't like these things.

Follow this with a healthy dose of "immigrants, welfare, and all this social justice are why your life is so rough" along with "everybody else wants to take away your guns" and they have successfully convinced folks who are most harmed by policies that favor employers over employees, favor the wealthy over middle class in taxation, and the elimination of environmental and banking regulations on business, to vote for candidates that have every intention of making the 'job creators' richer at the expense of everyone else.

Combine that with the baby-boom generations' dire need to be right about everything and make sure everybody else knows it, and now you have an entire generation who are basically like junkies, they know it is not good for them, but they have been praising all things conservative for so long they just can't stop and look at the truth, it is killing the supposed "American Dream."

Everyone knows that "trickle-down economics" doesn't work, but now it is repackaged as "rewarding the job creators." I always loved the term 'trickle down,' kind of like being pee'd on from above, eh? You gotta love political scientists, give them enough time and money, and they will convince 50% of voters that kidney stones are a good idea.

We have real problems in our country that are not solved with political one-liners and spreading blame.

Our health care system is a joke compared to other industrialized nations. The GOP answer, more profits for insurance companies, and health care providers. No consideration at all for a single payer system which is working marvelously for many other nations and unloads the burden of health care expense off of employers. Find an Britt, Canadian, or Aussie (where we gonna get one of those?:) and ask them about their systems if you don't believe it can work.

Our school system is a joke compared to other developed nations, and even some that are not so developed. The GOP answer, Privatize It! Then only the wealthy will be able to afford education, and that will assure their friends and families will have the good jobs and brightest futures, to hell with everyone else. The real answer is to fund education enough so that the best and brightest become teachers, not investment bankers.

Jobs are not disappearing, they are just leaving the USA in favor of cheap labor and no labor regulations in other countries to create more profits for the 1%. Close your factories in the US, farm out your products to some 3rd world manufacturer, and increase profits for the directors and executives by 10%? "You Betcha, Let's Git-Er-Done!" In the GOP view of manufacturing, you don't do what's best for the workers, or the community, you do what's best for the CEO, or the Investment Bankers in the case of Mr. 'Bain Capital'.

And then the GOP view of the environment, it's here to be exploited for profit, regardless of the damage and destruction left behind. "Let some bunch of do-gooders clean up after us, we got our mining, logging, or manufacturing profits to worry about, so who cares about fish and birds, dang it?"

Many of our voters are dupes, voting for issues they are told are important instead of thinking for themselves, studying up on some history and philosophy, and deciding what really is important to the future of mankind on Earth.

It takes courage to admit to yourself you were wrong about something and apparently about half of my generation has none. I am quite willing to admit that I voted for Reagan, and Bush #1. I never voted for Clinton, either time, but by the end of the 90's, I was disgusted with the GOP and the Atwater concepts of "win at all costs."

I guess I'm different. I saw the whole Lewinski thing as a waste of time and money just to win the 2000 election. Their fear? The candidate who wins in 2000 gets to name enough Supreme Court justices to control the court. So instead of a populist who favored working class folks appointing moderate or liberal justices which would decide cases based on what's best for the masses, they wanted pro-corporate, pro-money, pro-religion, far right wingers who will support the concept that money should make the rules and government should tell the masses what to think.

I saw Christians dashing off to the polls to vote for a guy who never went to church in his life until he became a candidate over the other guy who was a life long bible thumper and church-go'er because political scientists told them to vote that way. "Al Gore can't be a good Christian, he's a Democrat." Sad part is...it worked.

I also saw the GOP run government of 2000-2006 take our federal government from a budget surplus in 1998, 1999, and 2000, where we were actually PAYING DOWN THE NATIONAL DEBT, and turn it around into record deficits and a doubling of the national debt which, combined with a healthy dose of financial deregulation, destroyed the economy in 2007.

I still think it was a plan, albeit a bumbling one. History shows that the markets during democratic administrations outperform those of republican administrations. Conservatives hate that statistic, so my thinking is that the plan was to make dang sure that it wasn't possible for that to happen during 2008-2012 because they knew they had no chance to maintain control of the federal government. It appears to be working for them. GOP tactics in action! "Who cares if we destroy folks lives, as long as we win in 2012!"

In my old age, I have become weary of every little thing being about whether or not somebody can make a buck. The fight for food, clothing, and shelter is becoming ridiculously difficult for many in our country. In our pyramid scheme of business economics, the money flows up hill. What I want to know is how does it get back down to the bottom without government intervention through tax policy and business regulation? Trickle down?

Is it raining, or is somebody up there just relieving themselves?

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Fri, Jun 1, 2012, at 9:50 AM

Krugman: "This may be when it all falls apart"

with video

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/05/29/kr...

-- Posted by news across on Thu, May 31, 2012, at 2:01 AM

"Condoleezza Rice endorsing Romney: campaign"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/05/30/co...

Well if Romney got Kinda Sleazy Rice's endorsement, you just Know Herr Hitler would endorse the Romney campaign for sure...if only he could (sigh).

The American election is nothing more than a facade.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, May 30, 2012, at 9:01 PM

According to Lawrence O'Donnell Trump has donated $2,500 to Romney.

Romney is hoping to earn the support of Adelson the big money man of Las Vegas. Adelson wants the U.S. Government to pressure the Chinese to let him into Maccau's gambling "industry".

Adelson thought Newt could do more for him, but now that Newt is out of the race, he may decided Romney is his best "bet".

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Tue, May 29, 2012, at 10:56 PM

From ABC News:

"In 1991, 1992, 2004, and again in 2009, Trump branded companies or properties have sought Chapter 11 protection.

"I've used the laws of this country to pare debt. ... We'll have the company. We'll throw it into a chapter. We'll negotiate with the banks. We'll make a fantastic deal. You know, it's like on 'The Apprentice.' It's not personal. It's just business," Trump told ABC's George Stephanopoulos last Thursday.

A business declaring bankruptcy is nothing new in corporate America, where bankruptcy is often sugar-coated as "restructuring debt." But it might seem alarming to everyday Americans who can't get a bank to restructure their home loans. If you want to get Donald Trump hot under the collar, accuse him of declaring bankruptcy.

Doug Heller, the executive director of Consumer Watchdog, said Trump is the "most egregious, almost comical example" of the disparity between what the average American faces when going through bankruptcy and the "ease with which the very rich can move in and out of bankruptcy."

Yep, if I was a politician, I'd be itchin' to get this guys endorsement also. You betcha.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Tue, May 29, 2012, at 9:23 AM

So do any other bloggers find the Trump/Romney alliance as hillarious as I do?

Apparently desperation has set in at Team Romney, otherwise, why in the world would you hook up with a cartoon like "the Donald?" Do they really think people care what Trump's opinion is about anything?

The Donald does give the impression of being flush with cash (not so sure that's true) and he does have a second rate TV show, but really? This is the guy you want to align yourself with? Mitt, you do realize the guys been through bankruptcy four times, don't you?

He's a job creator alright, for lawyers and judges. How many folks do you reckon lost their jobs every time Trump the Genius wrecked another business venture?

I am pretty sure that endorsements from gasbag self-promoters who almost no one respects are of limited value. Hey, why not invite Rush to join in as long as you are accepting endorsements from folks who alienate voters?

I reckon this is what a conservative 'celebrity' endorsement looks like. This campaign is going to set records for strategic mistakes. I might not stop laughing until November.

Everyone does know that most all voters have already decided who they are choosing in November? Right?

I know, I know. Vote Romney! Trump for Treasury Secretary, eh? Or Fed Chairman?

Now you're scared, aren't you?

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Tue, May 29, 2012, at 9:15 AM

A bit?

lol...you are being way too kind.

Frankly, I have to wonder how he got his degree in Economics without taking a course in Money and Banking...'cause he clearly does not understand how money is created and by whom.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, May 28, 2012, at 5:08 PM

Thanks News you confirmed my opinion. I thought their half baked assertions were a bit over the top.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, May 28, 2012, at 12:45 PM

OKR,

I am watching it now.

I haven't laughed this hard in ages.

These guys are hilarious!

Are they a local comedy team? 'Cause I gotta tell ya these boys really need to go on tour nationally.

That's what I think.

Of them.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, May 28, 2012, at 6:35 AM

News what do you make of this? http://w3.newsmax.com/a/aftershockb/vide...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, May 28, 2012, at 2:15 AM

ND I stumbled on to the Melungeons about ten years ago while doing genealogical research. I found their circumstance fascinating, and have stayed with the subject on an intermittent basis. The genetic conclusions are what I thought they would be. I had not thought of the indentured servant avenue to their establishment.

I just learned of the Redbones from the article I linked, and am off in pursuit of them. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, May 25, 2012, at 11:14 PM

Shoulda said: successfully avoiding by artifice, racial discrimination in early America

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, May 25, 2012, at 10:44 AM

...and now for something completely different.

The Melungeons, the mystery solved by DNA. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/24...

A study in successfully avoiding racial discrimination by artifice in early America. Such Goins on!

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, May 25, 2012, at 10:37 AM

Yes but OKR, a decent, quality garden hose is all I need to defeat these fearsome, feathery, fiends.

So close yet so far.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, May 25, 2012, at 1:44 AM

NA as Australia suffers from a dearth of natural predators it appears you as a country would do well to unleash that deadliest of natural predators, mankind.

I can envision keeping the troops home in a Cockatoo crusade for instance. You folks are just going to have to give up your pacific behavior, crack down on cockatoos, rout the rabbits, and decimate the Dingoes. It is you, or them. You are absolutely going to have to give up your wimpy behavior, and develop a killer instinct. You need to hire Rush Limbaugh, bring over Bill Reilly, and other cheerleaders for killing. We wouldn't mind as a majority of us would just as soon see them go elsewhere.

Your washing away of cockatoo sins, that is if you can ever find a proper hose, is like fruitlessly chasing the horse when it is already out of the barn. For God's sake stiffen your resistance mate.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, May 25, 2012, at 12:25 AM

And beware their deadly, ferocious fellow travelers...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-4oPJiqn...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KW3E9uik...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8IGMFr62...

-- Posted by news across on Thu, May 24, 2012, at 9:48 PM

Cockatoo Island,...

Beautiful, fun tourist spot or Cockatoo terrorist training camp in disguise?

http://www.cockatooisland.gov.au/

-- Posted by news across on Thu, May 24, 2012, at 8:43 PM

The Enemy

http://thetrueparrot.homestead.com/Cocka...

-- Posted by news across on Thu, May 24, 2012, at 8:05 PM

I may have to order an American garden hose OKR. I think they still make them with strong metal connectors built into the hose. And really, you should see the junky garden hoses they offer for sale here.

In fact, I even checked our version of Home Depot, called "Bunnings" here, not one decent garden hose in the entire joint.

Its very frustrating.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, May 24, 2012, at 7:51 PM

ROTFLMAO. Sounds to me like you're getting hosed.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, May 24, 2012, at 6:31 PM

OKR,

I will file that under advisement.

OK, now look out your window. Do you see any flocks of wild Cockatoos out there?

I rest my case.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, May 24, 2012, at 6:17 PM

News I don't often disagree with you, and hardly ever in principle, but I think you may have missed the obvious answer in regard to your shade conundrum. It is taking the wrong perspective to look for the proper hose to wash off the bird doo.

What you should do is bow to nature, and let its magic be worked. Just let the birds decorate your shades with nature's graffiti. Can you imagine the beauty of the resulting impressionist spray painting? The rich browns, buffs, black, and white, accented by mulberry, and grape, would be, in time a wonderful work of art, rivaling if not exceeding the wonder of Monet. It would be a spectacular display of art that will be talked about forever in your neighborhood. Perhaps you may be able to convince some particularly literate parrot to sign the piece on behalf of the avian art colony.

Beyond the obvious cultural opportunity, is the environmental advantage. The additional layers will provide superior insulation far beyond anything contemplated by the manufacturer.

But there is more; It would be a security blessing, for no burglar would ever choose to cut his way through such a problematic sheet. In fact I would be willing to bet that no self respecting burglar would go within ten feet of such a burglar barrier.

It seems the advantages to making such a proactive choice may be never ending. Below those screens you could grow crops, or landscaping that would rival that produced in the Malta Bend bottoms.

I could go on, but I will leave any further additions to other fertile minds.

Please give my suggestion your full consideration, and don't just toss it aside as another crappy idea.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, May 24, 2012, at 5:49 PM

"Iranian Navy saves U.S. cargo ship from pirates"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/05/24/ir...

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-05-23...

http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.php...

-- Posted by news across on Thu, May 24, 2012, at 5:30 PM

"Propaganda firm owner admits smear campaign against U.S. journalists"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/05/24/pr...

http://www.usatoday.com/news/military/st...

-- Posted by news across on Thu, May 24, 2012, at 5:25 PM

ND,

Lol, yeah I would be enjoying them if I wasn't worried about what the birds could do to it. And then there is the Australian garden hose problem.

Actually ND, this election has put me and many other progressives into quite a quandary -- support one fascist dictator or the other fascist dictator wanna-be gets in.

But the worst part is that my fellow Americans back home don't seem concerned at all about the dictatorship they have in Washington, nor do they appear at all interested in democracy.

So I will concentrate on getting the veranda remodeled and stop worrying about the election. My position is simply this; may the best American evil dictator win.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, May 24, 2012, at 3:41 PM

ND,

I enjoyed reading the article you posted a link to.

I guess you know which liberal camp I fall into.

So this campaign it may be better if I not discuss the candidates but rather focus on issues.

Since I can only perceive the world through my own physical senses, I will be focusing on those issues which are most important to me.

ISSUE NUMBER 1: Australian garden hoses!!

Just have a look at these and you can see the problem right away:

http://www.hoselink.com.au/shop/garden-h...

I would like to know where the candidates stand on forcing Australia to produce, import, and sell good quality, inexpensive garden hoses.

Its an issue dear to my heart.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, May 24, 2012, at 1:10 AM

Jo he has been home for quite some time, and is as well as may be expected. It was kind of you to inquire.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, May 23, 2012, at 9:57 PM

Oklahoma: I've been wondering if your Son is home ,and is well? Hope everyone is Good! Isn't this amazing how the American People are even considering putting these SOB back in office? It blows my mind seeing some of the poll's!

-- Posted by Jo on Wed, May 23, 2012, at 8:48 PM

"Senate panel votes to extend government's broader surveillance authority"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/nati...

Yep folks, Big Brother is always watching you so he can protect you from you.

American Democracy and American liberty died on December 12, 2000. May they rest in peace.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, May 23, 2012, at 5:17 PM

OKR,

I guess its easy to forget I was born and raised strictly American, partly in Marshall and partly in Chicago.

Yeah I too had to look that expression up.

I found 3 definitions for it and yep it can mean awesome as well as a couple of other meanings.

My wife, who is Australian born and raised, is very familiar with the expression and she says its definition depends on how you use it in a sentence.

Actually, I use very few Australian terms, after all I am really just a country boy from Marshall and that is unlikely to change anytime soon.

Neither do I have even the slightest Australian accent. My accent is 100% Missourian. A lot of Aussies ask me if I will ever pick up the Aussie accent. I always just laugh and say, "never."

But I think the most important question is this: why can't these Aussies come up with a decent yard hose with solid metal tap-ends?

-- Posted by news across on Wed, May 23, 2012, at 3:33 PM

News my apologies to you regarding "off tap". I had never heard of it until I was reading about Australia in the travel issue of last Sunday's New York Times Magazine. That article used it, and then defined it as Australian slang for awesome. Since your comment I googled it, and found that it is described as Australian slang, but with several meanings, mostly derogatory, or negative, and nowhere near "awesome".

I learned that you can not trust the NYT during the run up to our Iraq fiasco, and should not have used it until checking further. The Times, and I were both sloppy. I am corrected, they are not. Oh well.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, May 23, 2012, at 2:45 PM

Speaking of off tap, we bought some outdoor blinds in order to convert part of our front veranda into a bit more private veranda. They look pretty nice and provide complete privacy.

http://www.australianoutdoorliving.com.a...

The darn things had to be custom built and, yeah, they weren't cheap.

So now I spend a lot of time worrying about them. Sharp objects and or hot objects could quickly reduce their value and utility.

And then there is the bird poop threat...

The maintenance instructions call for a periodic gentle cleaning with water and mild dish soap and the a gentle rinsing with a hose.

My goal has become making sure the blinds outlast me, and I can't help but think its going to be an uphill battle all the way.

So, now that I have this new goal to pursue, I find that I must add a new tool in my war to protect the outrageously expensive blinds from bird excretions -- I need a new hose because the old one won't reach.

Which brings me to the problem I now face...Australian hoses are all cheap pieces of junk.

Every hardware store I have been in has the same junky assortment of hoses and I have to install the cheap plastic tap connection myself.

Now that is seriously "off tap."

-- Posted by news across on Wed, May 23, 2012, at 3:30 AM

Off tap OKR?

I'm not familiar with that phrase.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, May 23, 2012, at 1:48 AM

SD why do you reckon that people who favor conservative (actually regressive) politics absolutely can not wrap their minds around the obvious fact that Romney is a corporate pirate. Why is it that they ignore the truths that you just stated?

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, May 23, 2012, at 12:33 AM

Good to see you're still kicking Jo, and pretty hard I might add.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, May 23, 2012, at 12:11 AM

Great piece ND but I will be really surprised if any of the local conservatives--or should that be the conservative these days--who read, and post here comment about it.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, May 23, 2012, at 12:08 AM

News your off tap comments have a lot to do with the silence. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, May 22, 2012, at 11:58 PM

ND,

Have you ever notice how quiet conservatives are when confronted with facts?

Great link ND.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, May 22, 2012, at 9:15 PM

We are all Suckers,and too afraid to do anything about it. Because it will take more hard ship on everyone to fix all this mess,and rid ourselves of all the Politicians,and Corporations that put us here! We would have to have some dectatorship.in the White House,to even get started to clean this Country up! Start clean! That will never happen without a Revolution and People dying! We do need to take this Country Back, or other Countries will? And then see what People like rr3 would think when they all start crawling out of attics ,like Spiders! Not unlike Europeans after World War Two.Complete new start. We have a sad future in this Country (UNLESS WE WAKE UP)

-- Posted by Jo on Tue, May 22, 2012, at 8:31 PM

SD,

You definitely have Romney figured out lol.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, May 22, 2012, at 5:05 PM

The saddest part ND is that despite the facts to the contrary, Republicans and conservative Democrats still believe that somehow trickle-down economics will work.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, May 22, 2012, at 5:01 PM

Thank goodness Mr. Romney laid off all those folks at Armco Steel in Kansas City (GST Steel)so he could then go on to claim the title of "job creator."

I reckon he was pretty good at creating jobs overseas.

I love fundamentalist politicians, they are such bald liars and confirmed narcissists, yet still firmly believe they are headed to the eternal reward of heaven.

I reckon that's the beauty of 'tithing,' it makes you feel like you are actually helping out someone worse off than you.

I wonder how many jobs could have been created out of those millions ol' Mitt stuffed in his pockets while acting like a real life Gordon Gecko.

I suppose the next comment will be an intellectual retort like "well, Obama isn't any better...so there."

As far as I know, President Obama has not pocketed millions by closing companies that he manages and laying off workers by the thousands.

Heck, if Mitt is such a good manager, how come he couldn't figure out how to turn those companies around? Wait, that doesn't pay as well if you're the guy doing the firing and closing and selling off assets.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Tue, May 22, 2012, at 4:56 PM

Yeah, pretty typical for Chicago ND.

There is also strong evidence that they targeted the "Chicago 3" for prosecution, planting evidence in an effort to intimidate patriotic Americans who wanted to peaceably protest Obama foreign policy and economic issues.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, May 21, 2012, at 3:59 PM

"US VETS LEAD THOUSANDS IN PROTEST AT NATO SUMMIT"

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/0...

Let's hope the conservative fascists will not lead us into war again anytime soon. Better yet, let's just dust those old Guillotines off and start lopping off 1%er heads until we think these warmongers get our message loud and clear.

NO MORE WAR!!!!

-- Posted by news across on Sun, May 20, 2012, at 5:23 PM

Rr,

I don't support him or Romney.

Republicans + Democrats = Fascism.

If you support either of those 2 parties, you are supporting fascism.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, May 20, 2012, at 2:26 AM

rr3yvo,

He's black ... he's not magic. The GOP's sole function is not to govern and consider the well being of the entire county, but to obstruct any thing and everything. If Obama were to say the sky is blue, they would argue that fact. Pure and simple. I'm sure you prayed for Obama not to be elected, what do you reckon' happened there?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Sat, May 19, 2012, at 10:15 PM

News I am really not surprised that you would think that a racist remark is 'well said'. Goes with the territory doesn't it?

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sat, May 19, 2012, at 9:40 PM

Told ya! Now Nana that is racist. I will say it again I could care less what color he is. A failure is a failure plain and simple but of course you won't buy into the truth.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sat, May 19, 2012, at 9:37 PM

Well said ND!!

-- Posted by news across on Sat, May 19, 2012, at 9:18 PM

Obama's Numbers Game (And Why You Should Be Concerned)

http://www.moneynews.com/StreetTalk/jobl...

They keep trying to report a recovering economy but is anybody buying it? I bet I know who is!

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sat, May 19, 2012, at 6:28 AM

rr3yvo,

Been invited to any parties lately?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, May 18, 2012, at 1:50 PM

Exactly what is happening to us news. Its not the Christians it is the government.

The Obama Administration: All Your Privacy And All Your Stuff Belong To Us

http://endoftheamericandream.com/archive...

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Fri, May 18, 2012, at 12:32 PM

An excerpt from:

"They Thought They Were Free"

"The Germans, 1933-45"

Milton Mayer

"What no one seemed to notice," said a colleague of mine, a philologist, "was the ever widening gap, after 1933, between the government and the people. Just think how very wide this gap was to begin with, here in Germany. And it became always wider. You know, it doesn't make people close to their government to be told that this is a people's government, a true democracy, or to be enrolled in civilian defense, or even to vote. All this has little, really nothing, to do with knowing one is governing.

"What happened here was the gradual habituation of the people, little by little, to being governed by surprise; to receiving decisions deliberated in secret; to believing that the situation was so complicated that the government had to act on information which the people could not understand, or so dangerous that, even if the people could not understand it, it could not be released because of national security. And their sense of identification with Hitler, their trust in him, made it easier to widen this gap and reassured those who would otherwise have worried about it."

-- Posted by news across on Fri, May 18, 2012, at 1:57 AM

"Plaintiff in NDAA case: U.S. has 'gone insane' in its war on terror"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/05/17/pl...

Yep, insane enough to legislate away our right to a hearing, trial, a lawyer, and all other Constitutional rights.

And we are the idiots (all the American People) who sat back and did nothing while our Government -- both Parties -- systematically stripped us of our freedoms.

We may end up wishing we hadn't done that.

Its what happens when we "trade away a little of our freedom for a little bit of security -- we end up with neither" (Ben Franklin).

-- Posted by news across on Fri, May 18, 2012, at 12:50 AM

"'Dark Knight Rises' imperilled by Morgan Freeman's politics, claims Time Warner shareholder"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/05/17/da...

I am sick and tired of rich people trying to tell me what I should think!! They have no idea what it is to be poor or middle class, and are completely out of touch with reality -- the reality of the 99%.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, May 17, 2012, at 6:00 PM

The key to increasing jobs lays in Keynesian Economic theory. See FDR New Deal policies for more on that.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, May 17, 2012, at 5:07 PM

I would speculate that rr3 would like to see economic prosperity return to the middle class in America.

Heck, who doesn't.

I reckon the argument is how best to make that happen.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Thu, May 17, 2012, at 3:06 PM

Okr what is there to explain? I would agree but maybe you haven't been listening either.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, May 17, 2012, at 12:02 PM

"Census: Minorities now surpass whites in US births"

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47458196/ns/...

Ohhhhhh the times they are a changing!!

-- Posted by news across on Thu, May 17, 2012, at 7:55 AM

rr3yvo,

I'll bet you get invited to a lot of parties...but not for the reasons you think.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, May 16, 2012, at 9:42 PM

R, have you forgotten the days when you were a young man, as well as the economic history of our country in the last half of the twentieth century? You will recall that the portion of wealth held by the upper, and upper-middle class was much less than is the case in the twenty first century.

Yet the second half of the twentieth century is considered the Golden Age of America. Why would you not want to return America to the conditions of its Golden Age, including the more equitablely preportionate wealth that worked for a greater percentage of Americans? I don't think you have ever explained why you would not want to do that. Would you please do so now?

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, May 16, 2012, at 6:50 PM

I see Greece coming to America as I have been saying all along. We think we can keep letting our government spend, spend, spend and keep buying the unions so their workers can have the high wages, fat retirements and have the common worker foot the bill we are fooling ourselves. It will come to an end and it will be the takers(liberals) whining. The producers always survive and that will include the rich because they are the reason this country is great. Show me a country where you are not allowed to be rich and I will show you poverty.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, May 16, 2012, at 5:31 PM

It seems we have once again been foolhardy. While we have worried about, and rescued those economic entities we reckon to be too big to fail, we have paid far too little attention to those economic machinations too big to not fail.

http://economywatch.msnbc.msn.com/_news/...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, May 16, 2012, at 1:24 PM

Good to see you back News. Re: your comment; yup.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, May 15, 2012, at 11:08 PM

OKR,

Its also why the rest of the World despises America-the-bully.

America would do well to remember that the whole World can see its evil handiwork...murder, rape, genocide, torture, and the wholesale slaughter of women and children -- the cowardly work of a cowardly nation.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, May 15, 2012, at 9:17 PM

Restated for the sake of clarity: It is ironic that some of those who yell the loudest favoring bringing freedom to third world peoples by invading their countries, are imprisoned themselves by their own closed minds.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, May 15, 2012, at 4:32 PM

It is ironic that some of those who yell the loudest about bringing freedom to third world peoples by invading their countries, are imprisoned themselves by their own closed minds.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, May 15, 2012, at 4:21 PM

Oh but Nana you just have not been listening. Is it inability or just stubborness?

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Tue, May 15, 2012, at 11:38 AM

Mitt Romney...hmmm...isn't that the guy who thinks he will be God when he dies?

Gee,...talk about a control freak...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3BqLZ8Uo...

-- Posted by news across on Tue, May 15, 2012, at 7:04 AM

Is there News out there? Whattabout you BFG, or are you on a slowboat to Australia?

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, May 15, 2012, at 12:32 AM

Which freeloaders, social or corporate?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Mon, May 14, 2012, at 4:11 PM

Yes okr you are right but it is not that simple. I have been telling you guys that since I have been posting on here so I am glad you are finally coming around.

No there is nothing we can do but vote unless we have a revolution. That won't happen because we will have too many freeloaders on the dole they won't want to get off their butts to overthrow their gravy train until it runs out of gravy. That is coming to America.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Mon, May 14, 2012, at 2:31 PM

Yep, those five witnesses to Romney's forced hair-cut for a kid who he didn't think "looked right" were making it up. Yep. You betcha.

OR....were they all inspired by God somehow back 50 years to hang out with Mitt because in 2012 the devil would inhabit the guy named Romney and we would need some witnesses to his bad behavior to win the battle?

I reckon in the world some folks live in, explaination number two makes more sense in light of the beliefs in mythology and spiritualism.

Oh, wait, it was the devil that made Mitt do it in the first place. Never mind. That Obama and his abilities to manipulate the past.

And while I'm stirring the pot, how about those psychotics that deserve less government regulation in order to rape the economy more.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/13/opinio...

Yep, let's put the 'Running Dogs of Wall Street' in charge. We'll all be better off in no time. Trust me.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Mon, May 14, 2012, at 8:30 AM

Yeh r, that unemployment extension drop off has been worked politically by Democrats, and Republicans at every opportunity. Have you ever thought that maybe we need a new party, a new style of politics? Have you ever thought these parties are not working for the people? If so, what are we going to do about it?

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, May 14, 2012, at 12:04 AM

One more thing r, isn't it about time you guys on the far right came up with a slogan in support of your Republican candidate? I know that it is hard for you guys as you don't have a clue as to what Mitt really stands for...and then there are all those strange Mormon things some say he believes. The former is really disconcerting, but don't worry too much about the latter, as there is ample evidence that he only believes what is convenient at the moment.

Anyway I thought I might give you guys some suggestions, just to get you headed in that direction.

Vote for Mitt, he's our zit, and we'll squeeze him if we want to, or Vote for Mitt, our bad fit. Maybe you should spin the warm human being angle, say; He put his dog above all, and he'll put us up there too. Or, how about; He may take the shirt off your back, but he'll give you magic underwear. My favorite though (and it may work for the churchiest of your lot) is; Don't ask, don't tell, just remember Mitt is swell, even if he's going to hell. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, May 13, 2012, at 11:54 PM

Hey r, I have another direct question for you. One that may be answered with a simple yes, or no. Is it true that the Democrats, and the Republicans in our federal government are failing to serve the people, and instead serve the corporate citizens? No artful dodge please, just yes, or no.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, May 13, 2012, at 10:55 PM

Anyone curious about why these 99 week extensions for unemployment are running out in an election year? The unemployment rate is going down because people are dropping off because their time is up, not because they are working. Do you think Obummer is calculating that he can blame this on the Republicans and profit politically from it?

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Fri, May 11, 2012, at 10:09 PM

I thought I would repost this because you missed it. It is not getting any news coverage yet. Why is that? Is this fair? People are dropping off of unemployment and still don't have a job. I am sure some of you bleeding heart liberals care about this. Don't you?

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sun, May 13, 2012, at 8:38 AM

The Democrats have controlled 2/3 of our government for the last 5 years. Now if you still blame the Republicans or (Bush/Cheney) then you are either ignorant or a liar.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sun, May 13, 2012, at 8:28 AM

xray,

Spare us your manufactured outrage. If you admit Bush / Cheny are war criminals then maybe any opinion you offer could be deemed valid.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Sat, May 12, 2012, at 9:40 PM

Speaking of the missing in action...where you at News? I hope you haven't succumbed to Guiness poisoning. Just in case that is the case don't forget that it is one of the few things that is its own antidote. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, May 12, 2012, at 5:24 PM

Good to see you back X, I have missed your pot stirring.

Regarding Romney, and Obama, I think they both stink, and that neither will be the catalyst needed to speed recovery.

By the way what do you think of the latest JPMorgan Chase failed exercise in unfettered greed?

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, May 12, 2012, at 5:21 PM

I see this thread has not changed any... Nana and Not smart Dog and others are stuck in their OBama love and RR3 is stuck in the right...

Just some facts for you to think about.

Spewing the hatred against Romney about UNSUBSTANTIATED stories of him being a bully is idiotic... the story that states this premise is full of holes and the primary people in the stories all say a much different thing if you actually read their unfiltered statements....

Unlike Obama who just admitted that the supposed girl friend in his book(s) was a made up person and not real...

I liked what RR3 stated.. who in this world can claim that when they were a teenager, early 20s while in college did not do things that might be considered stupid for an adult? Didnt Obama use Cocaine? Hang out with mentors and educators that hated America? Hang out with Bombers of police stations and the Pentagon? ohhh wait... some of that Obama did as an ADULT.

PS.. the economy is STILL horrible and Obama has STILL not passed a budget... and what... did one Democrat vote for his purposed budget a month or so ago? maybe one... but that was it.

PSS. Unemployment is still over 14% if you utilize the real unemployment number that is the most inclusive unemployment number and more Americans are on Food Stamps, on disability than every before and more people are NOT in the work force than what, since WWII? Obama has done such a wonderful job...

-- Posted by mrxray on Sat, May 12, 2012, at 4:32 PM

Sobering, saddening, superb.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, May 12, 2012, at 11:34 AM

Thanks Nana. I had not considered the concept of perennial grains,it's brilliant, and the sooner we can pull it off the better.

Just an aside; I do lazy man gardening. No clearing of all weeds from planted crops. I utilize ditch sunflowers a lot, scattered within beds. I see insects of all types swarming them constantly, and adjacent human food source plants are insect free. They also shade my insect free lettuce extending the duration of the crop. Finally they feed finches, sparrows, etc. when gone to seed. The birds in turn eat insects for desert, drop their little fertilizer bombs as they feed, which makes my soil more fertile, and scatter the sunflower seed for the next year as a final thank you. I try to recognize circles of life, and not interrupt any phase that links it together. I reckon that is a circle game worth pursuing, at least more so than some other circle games I have played. LOL

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, May 12, 2012, at 12:30 AM

"Mitt Romney was not at Chappaquiddick. Mitt Romney has not been accused of rape. Mitt Romney did not have an affair with a mob babe. He didn't have an affair with an actress who committed suicide later on. Mitt Romney did not father a child out of wedlock. Mitt Romney did not support the tapping of Martin Luther King's phone. Mitt Romney was never a member of the Ku Klux Klan."- Rush

But he is a big bad bully! Waaaah! More hypocrisy!

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Fri, May 11, 2012, at 10:11 PM

Anyone curious about why these 99 week extensions for unemployment are running out in an election year? The unemployment rate is going down because people are dropping off because their time is up, not because they are working. Do you think Obummer is calculating that he can blame this on the Republicans and profit politically from it?

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Fri, May 11, 2012, at 10:09 PM

Hope everyone ate what they want today since it was National Eat What You Want Day. This is the only day Moochele will allow it. Tomorrow it is back to what she tells you to eat while Obummer goes out and eats whatever he wants.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Fri, May 11, 2012, at 10:04 PM

Won't ever happen ND as a true progressive would find such filth so repulsive that they could not engage in such behavior.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, May 11, 2012, at 8:11 PM

The New American Dream!

Barack H. Obama:: Dear America, I quit.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Fri, May 11, 2012, at 11:57 AM

Good to see you back r. See what you do? Thank you for your unintended service to the progressive cause.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, May 11, 2012, at 11:46 AM

...and Romney was for more things, before he was against them, than any candidate that I can recall in my long lifetime. Too bad that there is not a "Swift Boat" group on the left. They would have ample opportunity to skewer Romney to a much greater degree than that original group did "for it before I was agin it" John Kerry.

The "Swift Boaters" paddled in waters made so odiferous, and poisonous by the foul offal that they discharged into it, that hopefully no one will go up that creek again, paddle, or not.

Sadly that will not be the case, for subhumans like that are drawn to stench as if it were the finest of perfumes. In fact they are so enraptured by it that they must manufacture it.

;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, May 11, 2012, at 11:43 AM

I don't know where you libs get off that I was defending anything. I was pointing out the blatant hypocrisy of you libs. From the response I definitely struck a nerve. HEH!HEH!HEH!

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Fri, May 11, 2012, at 11:29 AM

Are you kidding me? rr3 is defending a spoiled rich kid in prep school putting together a posse of his buds and physically assaulting a kid for looking different?

No biggie, eh? Well, except for that kid who got assaulted, and what the heck, he's probably a sinner anyways.

How Christian of you. Man, you are waaaaaay off the deep end. I suggest therapy.

What is it with neo-cons and their supposed love of family values and the teachings of Jesus but their defense of behavior and things that do not in any way fit that description.

And then to somehow make the argument that, to paraphrase, 'obummer ain't any better, so nanny nanny boo boo' well, that just makes me see that the intelect behind the comments is the recripocal of the volume of boorishness of the commenter.

With such strong support from logical, clear thinking folks such as this ..... well .... the GOP will no doubt make themselves progressively less relevant and more useless.

And by the way, the issue is not what I or anyone else did in our youth, it's what a guy espousing to be a latter day saint, who claims the higher moral ground, and who wants to be elected to the highest public office in the land, did in his country club upbringing.

Isn't it a tennant of neo-con morality that we establish our value system during our youth so preaching creationism is important in school?

Well, I reckon we can include some lessons in the value of bullying and how the strong are encouraged to take advantage of the weak by utilizing a 5 to 1 numbers advantage. Is that part of the neo-con morality education package also?

What a fool that kid was to not travel in a pack like the hunters did, eh?

Sheesh. If rr3 is an example of what your Christian God brings one to believe, then I take back anything I ever said in support of the value of Christianity.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Fri, May 11, 2012, at 8:20 AM

rr3yvo,

First of all, the "moral majority" is neither.

Secondly, what kinds of specific changes would be made when and if the conservatives "take back" the country?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, May 11, 2012, at 6:35 AM

r would you treat a dog like Romney did his dog? He was no kid then.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, May 11, 2012, at 12:39 AM

It's funny how Romney was a homophobe and a bully because of something he did in school. Wasn't this back in the 70's? I guess all you liberals were saints in school and you have led that sheltered life that makes you the wonderful person you are today. Liars. All of us have something in our past we are not proud of and it only matters if you are Republican. Our sitting president speaks of snorting cocaine and drinking in excess when he was in school. Shouldn't that make him an alcoholic and drug addict? Doesn't everyone stay the same person that they were in school? Nobody changes or becomes better do they? If you bully one person you are a bully for life, right? If you do illegal drugs once then you are an addict for life, right? Romney or anyone else may be who you say they are but let's base it on what they do now. What kind of person are they now? Wouldn't that be fair, I mean all of you are about fairness aren't you? I judge Obummer on what he has done while president, he has done____________________. Well I couldn't think of anything. Obummer will have to destroy his opponent to win regardless of the facts. All Romney has to do is stick with the facts of Obummer's failures and he will win in a landslide that we haven't seen in this country. The conservative and the moral majority will prevail and take this country back and make it something we can be proud of. Moochele can be ashamed if she wants. Romney may not be the right man for the job but he is better then the alternative.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, May 10, 2012, at 10:40 PM

Yup, guess that would make them differing.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, May 10, 2012, at 10:19 PM

You're right about "differing principles" okr. Some of us have them and some don't.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, May 10, 2012, at 10:15 PM

Romney campaign button: http://www.doug-long.com/rombutt.htm

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, May 10, 2012, at 7:38 PM

Ah, "differing principles" r, there's the rub.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, May 10, 2012, at 1:39 PM

Gee SD that sounds like you could classify anybody that disagrees with your point of view as such. Don't forget racist and christian for they are some of the most used words in the liberal play book. Whatever happened to differing ideas and priciples instead of name calling? Just wonderin'

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, May 10, 2012, at 1:22 PM

So, today we find out that in high school and college, the spoiled rich kid Mittens Romney was a homophobe and bully.

However, according to Mitt, it's all ok, because it was a long time ago and he's 'sorry.'

He's "sorry" all right.

Sad, but not surprising.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Thu, May 10, 2012, at 10:32 AM

Even'n ND. Amen to your comment.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, May 10, 2012, at 12:06 AM

Speaking of Frank Rich, it is not that he has died, and gone to Populist Paradise, he still writes, though at the more obscure New York Magazine. I do miss sprawling in my easy chair of a Sunday morning reading him first thing as I hold the NY Times in hand.

Here he is courtesy of the internet, with just another of his enduring must read columns.

http://nymag.com/news/frank-rich/conserv...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, May 9, 2012, at 8:55 PM

Good to see you back ND. I lost Frank Rich from the NYT, and was concerned that we may have lost you. :)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, May 9, 2012, at 7:56 PM

A ground-breaking abortion study from Chile

http://www.mercatornet.com/articles/view...

Very interesting to find that pregnancy is not a disease where you have to kill the problem. What a concept!

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, May 9, 2012, at 5:59 AM

"Krugman compares Republican economic plan to blood-letting"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/05/05/kr...

-- Posted by news across on Sat, May 5, 2012, at 10:02 PM

The bottom line is that we DO NOT have to accept the failed policies of the Republican and Democrats.

Stand firm on your principles and you will not have to tolerate any more nonsense from the 2 big party clowns.

-- Posted by news across on Sat, May 5, 2012, at 8:55 PM

...and for those who might be interested, here is a link to the Green Party's Party Platform.

http://www.gp.org/committees/platform/20...

-- Posted by news across on Sat, May 5, 2012, at 8:51 PM

"Gary Johnson wins Libertarian Party nomination for president"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/05/05/ga...

Oh yes, we have other candidates than just the 2 twin candidates of the Republicans and Democrat Parties.

This election may be getting interesting after all!

Personally, its a bit early for me to make a selection, after all the Greens may throw in a ringer too, but if these were the only 3 running and the election was today, Gary Johnson would get my vote.

-- Posted by news across on Sat, May 5, 2012, at 7:13 PM

ND,

If we are to limit our votes to only 2 potential candidates, then this bit of news fact is yet another example as to why Obama is indeed the lessor of 2 evils.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/04/27/re...

There is no disputing the point you make in your argument.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Apr 27, 2012, at 6:09 PM

Hey, I thought some of the other amateur political scientists on here might enjoy watching this.

While I believe it is somewhat of a set-up for some right wing bs, if taken completely at face value only, it presents an educated view of our system and it's value.

It is a decently done video and provides an interesting argument.

I'll be curious to read what others think.

http://youtu.be/KFXuGIpsdE0

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Fri, Apr 27, 2012, at 8:47 AM

"Congress steering US economy toward a 'fiscal cliff"

http://economywatch.msnbc.msn.com/_news/...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjVYxmWnI...

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Apr 26, 2012, at 10:07 PM

We Owe Our Souls To The Company Store

Time was when a whole lot of hard working folks scratched for a livin in a feudalistic system right here in America. I am talking about coal miners, and others that lived in a company owned town, in company owned housing for which they paid rent to The Company. The Company also owned the only store, and folks exclusively filled their needs there, buying on credit. It was a trap that kept them from ever getting out of their burden of debt to The Company. Prices were exorbitant for the shacks they lived in, and the goods at the store were similarly priced. Sometimes there was even a little old short loan business set up by the Lords for the workers, just to get em by until pay day mind you. Problem was that interest rates were so high that once in the laborers never got out. They truly did owe their souls (if you take that to mean their free will) to The Company Store.

One thing about the Master Class, you can always count on them to expand a good thing to its absolute limit. Darned if they ain't gone, and done it with this devious scheme. Greed knows no bounds unless we the people say enough, and we can't say "enough" if we are in to deep to have the guts, and more importantly, the where with all to do it.

What they did was set up Easy Credit for every one, and boy did we indulge. In our own petty greed, carefully coached to an all in frenzy by the Master Class, it wasn't long before twenty cents of every dollar we made went directly to them to cover their "risk". They skim us all the way to the bottom of the human pile with special pay day loan places that charge interest rates as usurious as any in the history of civilization. They limit us more, and more, of any chance to discharge these debts through bankruptcy, no matter the calamity that curtailed the ability of we poor saps to discharge such debt.

Some of us opened our eyes before we were in too deep (my household included), and delayed purchases until the credit cards were paid off, and we once again were able to spend all of each earned dollar on what we chose without a double tithe to the Master Class; this despite their dire warnings that our credit rating would be ruined which would leave us without a safety net. That too was more of their brainwashing bull. Our credit rating is well over 800, and even went up a bit after we got rid of credit cards. I believe it likely that others have had the same experience.

Now here we sit, a nation of people mired in debt for everything that we have been compelled to buy, including the cost of education, and medical care which should be available at no financial cost in a nation that has any concern for its long range success, and the welfare of its citizens. There has long been a saying among the hard luck class which is now just as meaningful to all, extending into the upper middle class, but not the upper class; "There is short money, and there is long money." Short money is what we actually get to spend after the interest is taken out. Long money is what we get when our pay is not already owed to some other entity when we receive it , and every cent goes directly to the earner's needs.

This will come to no good end. We are urged to increase our debt, as our ability to repay debt is lessened. At the same time that the Master Class demands more from each of us, they are shrinking our what they allow us to receive for our labors. Greed has blinded all. The irony is that The Masters are no longer rational, and expect us to escalate our payments to them (increased consumption) even as our ability to do so lessens (diminishing demand).

Yep, we owe our souls to the company store. http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=yout...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Apr 25, 2012, at 11:11 PM

Not back tracking, instead further considering, I do believe our continuing societal devolution would be slower under Obama than under the banner of the full blown fascist party. The SCOTUS would likely vote fascist even more often, by a greater majority, if Mitt Romney becomes President, and his controllers select nominees.

Whether slower decline of our Nation is better in the long haul is a separate debate topic.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Apr 25, 2012, at 10:40 PM

Nope News, I don't think the presidential elections make a significant difference these days. Further, I do not think that until a real people's champion comes to the fore that they will be meaningful.

The problem is that we the people are not yet ready for that champion. I think that the masses could not yet recognize a champion for what she/he is even if such a person was boldly proclaiming our real cause right in front of our eyes, and ears. I am hopeful that such a time will come. We are not yet needy enough, nor desperate enough, to cast off deeply ingrained habits. Our political education will not be complete until a majority have matriculated from the school of hard knocks. Then, perhaps.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Apr 25, 2012, at 10:22 PM

OKR,

Do you really think elections mean anything in America?

Only the rich make our national decisions and to them we -- the 99% who are not the rich -- are nothing more than serfs to be used and abused.

It doesn't matter what school of thought influences our political views because our views don't matter to the rich.

America is having another election, but what She really needs is a full-scale, non-violent revolution.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Apr 25, 2012, at 6:50 PM

rr3: "Why is it so repulsive to progressives and "liberals" that I want to provide for my own family instead of the state? If more of us worried about taking care of our own situations and quit looking at others with greed, envy, or guilt..."

rr3 you don't reckon that it would have anything to do with the fact that a whole lot of hard working American families don't make enough to provide for their families? Oh yea, and it is assinine to think that they don't worry about taking care of their own. What kind of nonsense is tracking its way through your head? You think that they come home from work worn out, the kids say Daddy my fees are due, or I need a book for school, and pay day is a week away, that all they think about is gee, why doesn't the state help me out. I have been in that situation a time, or two, and it did not once cross my mind that it was not my responsibility, but the state's. No, what I thought, and felt was frustrated, and guilty, even though I was bustin my arse every day. There are a hell of a lot of people in that circumstance all the time, more than ever before.

Some times you repulse me because of your callous ignorance. If I was a prayin man, rr3 I would pray for you first, and most, because you need it more than about anyone I know! Good grief man wake up, and smell the coffee!

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Apr 25, 2012, at 6:15 PM

well rr3yvo,

What has god fixed?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Apr 25, 2012, at 6:12 PM

rr,

Thanks for posting that link to the interview with Judge Napolitano.

I have tremendous respect for his expertise in matters of constitutionality. He is highly qualified source and he makes a strong case in his argument.

Clearly, Obama has taken unprecedented steps to garner more and more dictatorial power for the Office of President (which he just "happens" to be right now -- what a "coinkidink!") and now he takes liberties with our most important freedoms...again.

Gee, why am I not surprised by his latest attack on our civil liberties?

Heh...and we thought Bush was bad...

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Apr 25, 2012, at 5:58 PM

Suppressing free speech?

Are you ready for this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=7SG...

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Apr 25, 2012, at 5:24 PM

ND,

My adult children live in America. My youngest is currently serving as a Petty Officer in the US Navy.

His son, my grandson, Tony, lives in Seattle with my daughter-in-law.

My Mother and Father are senior citizens living in Independence.

My brothers and sisters live in various places throughout the US.

My nephew Matt used to live in Independence, but he died saving the men in his platoon in Afghanistan.

Don't tell me I don't have a dog in this race.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Apr 25, 2012, at 5:09 PM

What Is "Fair"?

http://www.libertyunbound.com/node/586

Why is it so repulsive to progressives and "liberals" that I want to provide for my own family instead of the state? If more of us worried about taking care of our own situations and quit looking at others with greed, envy, or guilt, we all would see that there is no rational to who gets born when or where. The best thing our society can do is provide liberty in personal choices and economic freedom to all.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Apr 25, 2012, at 11:00 AM

rr3: "The economy will fix itself if we get Obama out of the way." That is patent naivete rr3. You are smarter than that, thus I must assume you jest. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Apr 24, 2012, at 7:34 PM

Perhaps a better question is what has Obama done to fix anything?

His economic policies were never near enough to fuel a rapid recovery, as every of one of his economic advisors warned him, as the Worlds top ranking economists warned him.

His Foreign policy is even worse than his predecessor's, starting not one but 2 new wars -- one of which raged on for over a year before that secret war became public. He dramatically increased the war in Afghanistan, including numerous atrocities against civilians, terrorizing the civilian population with American Army "death squad" night-time attacks, spreading the war into Pakistan in direct violation of International law and in a direct challenge to Pakistan's National sovereignty, and resulting in our defacto, decisive military defeat on the battlefield at the hands of the Taliban.

He has continued the Bush policies of searching all Americans' private, electronically stored and transmitted papers and documents without a warrant or probable cause, and does so on a daily basis still.

He failed to make any effort to investigate or prosecute any of the high ranking officials in the Bush administration despite the overwhelming evidence supporting probable cause for judicial review. In fact, that was one of his first acts of office -- effectively denying the American People their day in court and their right to see justice prevail over the will of, clearly, very corrupt politicians who had placed themselves above the law, threatening the very foundation of our democratic republic.

Worst of all, he has finalized the process of establishing for the Office of President laws and precedents granting unconstitutional, full dictatorial powers never before given to any President. He and all future Presidents now have the power to imprison for life or execute any American citizen he wants, anywhere in the World that he wants, without any judicial review what-so-ever.

Mates, that was not the kind of change I was looking for.

Was that what you folks had in mind when you voted for change?

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Apr 24, 2012, at 7:24 PM

rr3yvo,

Ok, then what things has god "fixed" to date?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Tue, Apr 24, 2012, at 5:34 PM

Sooooo.....

Lot's of prayers for the GOP then?

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Tue, Apr 24, 2012, at 4:02 PM

Granted wtf the economy is bad but it is an easy fix not requiring prayer. The economy will fix itself if we get Obama out of the way. I like to pray for things only God can fix.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Tue, Apr 24, 2012, at 2:51 PM

Don't pray for me I'm fine. Pray for the economy!

-- Posted by What the f...... on Tue, Apr 24, 2012, at 1:55 PM

I will continue to pray for you wtf.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Tue, Apr 24, 2012, at 12:05 PM

rr3yvo,

Have you not prayed for the economy? That should do it right? So what are you waitin' for.

Get prayin'

-- Posted by What the f...... on Tue, Apr 24, 2012, at 8:53 AM

Thank you News you seem to be the only one that sees that logic. It really doesn't matter what I think of Bush. If the media would have treated Bush like they have treated Obama well the opinion of him would be different to say the least. The economy was always terrible under Bush even when it was good. Now under Obama the economy has been terrible but what do we hear everyday? The economy is recovering slowly, it was much worse then we thought, when it is not recovering even slowly and it is much worse but has gotten that way under Obama.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Tue, Apr 24, 2012, at 6:15 AM

What Do Solyndra, Mexican Drug Cartels, And Enron Have In Common?

All three received subsidies from the Export-Import Bank.

If Obama wants to shut something down this should be one.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Tue, Apr 24, 2012, at 6:08 AM

rr is correct when he points to Obama and asks what has he accomplished during his almost 4 years in office?

That is a perfectly reasonable question, and one we should ask of every incumbent.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Apr 23, 2012, at 7:30 PM

Who knows what lurks in the heart of rr3?...The Shadow knows....hahahahaha.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Apr 23, 2012, at 6:20 PM

What about 'accountability' and 'personal responsibility' for who is in charge? Hmmmmmmmmmm never thought of that did ya. Hah!

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Mon, Apr 23, 2012, at 3:08 PM

True rr3, but in all these years you have yet to say whether it was good, or bad.

Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Apr 23, 2012, at 11:47 AM

I don't know what 'IT' is????????? Is this a 'whole' or a certain 'piece'? Compared to what? Obama? Huh that's like having an easy button.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Mon, Apr 23, 2012, at 3:06 PM

rr3: "What Bush done is done good or bad." True rr3, but in all these years you have yet to say whether it was good, or bad. Have you got the guts to say which you think is the case? I doubt it. Shock me with a direct answer ole buddy. :)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Apr 23, 2012, at 11:47 AM

Earth Day 2012: The Day the Tide Turned

http://www.redstate.com/vladimir/2012/04...

The biggest green supporter shutting down 'Planet Green'. The Discovery Channel is amusing to watch but this one must have been really boring.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Mon, Apr 23, 2012, at 6:52 AM

And so it goes.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Apr 23, 2012, at 12:16 AM

OKR,

I empathize with your concerns about Obama.

As you may recall, I am an independent voter, have long opposed the policies and candidates of the 2 large Parties, and I strongly oppose their collective fascism which Americans refer to as "conservatism."

For the most part, American elections are nothing more than a choice between dictator A and dictator B. American elections mean about as much now as the elections staged in NAZI Germany, Fascist Italy, or Stalinist Russia...not much.

This is the result of 2 relatively recent events , one event on December 12, 2000, and the other on September 11, 2001.

On December 12, 2000 the Republican Justices on the United State's highest Court, by a majority of 1 vote exactly upon party lines, in direct violation of their own precedents, and with an authority not mentioned anywhere in the Constitution, stopped a state election, set aside a State Supreme Court decision, and effectively appointed their own candidate, Republican Bush, who was already trailing his opponent, Democrat Gore, by over 500,000 - half a million - votes nation-wide, to the office of the Presidency.

That was the day the American Democratic Republic ended and the day Imperialist America began.

It was also the end of any effective semblance of democracy -- 1 man, 1 vote -- in America.

American Presidential Candidates no longer required the election as a path to the White House. Certainly they would prefer such as it lends legitimacy to their Presidency, but if necessary, but now there were other paths available.

Now there was a whole new way to the White House -- a whole new tool. As long as a party holds the balance of power in the Supreme Court -- with just a 1 vote majority -- they can simply shut down any state election that is not going well for their candidate, and have their 1 vote majority on the Supreme Court appoint the electoral college members of that state to vote in favor of their party's candidate, and bodda-bing, bodda-boom, you have a minority President like Bush.

Hitler would have been delighted by the American twist to establishing fascism in America.

On September 11, 2001, a well coordinated attack by a handful of primarily Saudi Arabian nationals, who were striking the United States in what they regarded as an act of self-defense in light of years of American oppression of the Palestinian People, by proxy, via Israel, hijacked commercial passenger aircraft and used those flying bombs to attack the United States. Americans responded by immediately surrendering their liberty to the Bush imperialist government in return for promises of security that amounted to little more than pie-in-the-sky wishful thinking.

We could easily observe that the next elected Dictator, Democrat Obama, not only adopted the draconian tactics of his predecessor, but in fact expanded on them considerably by ordering the political executions of American citizens, signing a bill into law that allows him -- and him alone -- to order the indefinite, permanent imprisonment without any trial, prosecution, or defense of each and every American he chooses, and established an American occupation strategy in Afghanistan that is in effect little more than American death-squads terrorizing civilians in the dark of night.

Given these facts, is it reasonable to think that it really makes any significant difference which dictator gets elected or re-elected in America After all, the names may change, but the game is the same.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Apr 22, 2012, at 8:36 PM

rr3 I have been an Obama critic for a long time. All you have to do to verify that is go back, and review my comments from about 2009 forward. True, I initially supported him, as I felt obligated to give him a chance. He fell about fourth, or fifth in my ranking of the primary candidates.

By the way in the last Democratic primary I was a John Edwards supporter, as I thought he was the closest thing to a Populist that had a chance of winning. Despite his personal perversions I still think he would have been a good President.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Apr 22, 2012, at 11:33 AM

rr3yvo,

When you hold Bush accountable then we'll hold others accountable. What do your christian sensibilites say about lying us into an illegal war for fun and profit? Thousands of lives lost.They were not lost defending our freedoms they were defending and increasing profits for the 1%. The day you awknowledge this and demand that Bush/Cheney be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law then I would be happy to discuss Obama's shortcomings with you. Unitil that day any comments you offer on the subject are rendered completely moot.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Sun, Apr 22, 2012, at 9:34 AM

Interesting!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBaRZw3n6...

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sun, Apr 22, 2012, at 7:26 AM

Okr I have been trying to tell you this from the beginning. After 3 years you are finally getting it. It's funny how the article in a weak attempt is still blaming Bush for what Obama has done. When will anyone in the liberal media hold this guy accountable. If he expanded on policies then they are his now. What Bush done is done good or bad. What is done today is Obama good or bad. The sad part about it is that nearly 100% of it has been bad.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sun, Apr 22, 2012, at 6:15 AM

The party of the Right may as well strike up their band now. Barak Obama will not become a second term President. However, the first thing they should do as their party begins, is to raise their glasses, and toast the liberal left civil libertarians, and African American voters who will be the ones who make their dreams come true. Morally honest social progressives will not be able to vote for Obama, who in their eyes is the President who more than any other, has disappointed his core voters. He has run roughshod over civil liberties, more so than the disgraced George W. Bush. He has done nothing special to help the African American community. Unemployment among young blacks is at a historic high, and he has not specifically addressed the problem.

It is a vain, and foolhardy misjudgement by him to think that those two entities, African Americans, and the left will stay with him, because their is no place else for them to go. He is forgetting that they don't have to go anywhere, they can just stay home, and they will. http://www.alternet.org/story/155045/how...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Apr 22, 2012, at 1:16 AM

ND

Here in Australia we have a joke most here know well.

Question: What is the title of the American 2nd Amendment?

Answer: Natural Selection!

Lol...

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Apr 21, 2012, at 4:50 PM

I guess what I am trying to illustrate is the often irrational fear which so often substitutes for a calm, reasonable approach to home security.

Since a person is statistically most likely to be shot by a friend or relative and most likely in a social situation and least likely to be attacked by a burglar in the, the notion that one is likely to need to keep a gun under their pillow is at best a misplaced notion.

What is far more dangerous and far more likely is that the gun owner will allow their irrational paranoia to put them in the position of being the bad guy.

My wife and I own no guns. We have never needed one nor have we ever felt the need for one. We have an inexpensive, highly effective alarm system, 2 dogs, and a fully functional cricket bat

From my own experience, most folks I have known to carry a gun are pathetic, cowardly little wimps who fear everything and suffer from irrational fear. Worse yet, many often end up wrongly using the weapon and doing time as a result.

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Apr 21, 2012, at 3:10 AM

Yeah but OKR,

What if you heard a bump in the night, got out of bed, went into your living room and found a few Borg rustling through your drawers looking for your stash of anti-matter?

(http://www.kowabunga.org/images/pictures/convergence_2002/convergence_2002_7.jpg}

Oh sure you might go for the phaser you keep under your pillow, only to learn that the Borg are using a force-field that renders them immune to your pathetic human phaser.

I bet you will wish you had a couple of atom bombs then!

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Apr 21, 2012, at 2:31 AM

Re: Last Word, Zimmerman/Martin, Primarily about guns, not race. Not very far off subject ND, in fact not at all IMHO.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Apr 21, 2012, at 1:08 AM

Oh I know Nana, I am just enraptured by the absurd tonight. :)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Apr 21, 2012, at 1:01 AM

A lot of good ideas as to macho methods of self protection. I don't know...they somehow don't fit my persona. I think I will just cultivate a different sort of paranoia within myself...maybe one that can be soothed by just at all times wearing an aluminum foil pyramid on my head. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Apr 21, 2012, at 12:25 AM

Well OKR,

That sort of thing might work well against regular ol' burglars, but what if its Kim Jong-un and his nuclear missiles sneakin' in your window?

I bet you will be wishing you had a couple of atomic bombs then!

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Apr 20, 2012, at 11:54 PM

Now you guys really have me scared. I am of this moment on the search for some incredibly lethal contact poison that I can smear on my front door knob. Someone else can remove it from their cold dead hands. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Apr 20, 2012, at 11:43 PM

DD,

I feel that I can only protect my family with high explosives, and against some bad guys I may need an atomic bomb or 2.

Thank you for supporting me in my effort to protect my family against all potential enemies, great and small.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Apr 20, 2012, at 10:54 PM

Oklahoma,

A well regulated militia in the colonial days consisted of citizens of this great nation such as farmers,slaves,businessmen,and so on, These militia were not issued weapons by the federal govt. to fight with. These citizens used whatever "number" of weapons they personally owned. I am sure their were a number of individuals during this era that owned or possessed more than one or two weapons.

The right to bear arms means your right to bear as many arms as you feel necessary to protect you and your loved ones. If you do not feel like you need to own firearms then that is your choice. But just know when when it comes time to defend your family and property, you will wish you had them!!

-- Posted by devildog92 on Fri, Apr 20, 2012, at 9:30 PM

OKR,

The Supreme Court disagrees with your interpretation and they have set the precedent.

The Founding Fathers intent is what ever the Supreme Court says it is.

MARBURY v. MADISON, 5 U.S. 137 (1803)

http://laws.lp.findlaw.com/getcase/us/5/...

And in this case they interpreted this Amendment from a Strict-Constructionist position which holds to a literal interpretation of the Constitution. Simply put, the Strict-Constructionist School of thought ignores all but the wording -- exact words -as they appear in the original document. They allow for nothing outside of the exact wording. If a prohibition existed, it would appear in the exact wording, so the SC School of thought tells us, and if a prohibition is not in there then there is no such prohibition.

In this case, they have ruled that individual ownership is clearly stated in the latter half of the sentence as it appears in the Constitution.

"1. The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home. Pp. 2--53."

DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA v. HELLER (No. 07-290)

478 F. 3d 370, affirmed.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/07...

Justice Scalia, a noted Strict Constructionist, writing for the majority of the Court, was rather vague on how this decision will affect other regulations and does leave open the door for regulating types of weapons one can own.

However, this narrow ruling leaves a whole lot of room for more potentially Purist, Strict-Constructionist rulings in the future -- particularly given the trend to appoint Justices who lean further and further to a conservative approach we have seen over the last 30+ years. In fact, its difficult to see how any future Court could justify any regulation of weapons if said future Court is comprised of a majority of SC purists.

I hope my use of extreme application of the SC approach will spur some deep introspection in the mind of some swing voters before they casts their vote for any conservative running for the White House -- of either Major Party. I hope they will remember that SC IS one of the 2 defining characteristics of American conservatism, and I hope they will consider the possible and probable consequences of electing conservative presidents. They may awaken one day to find all weapon regulations declared unconstitutional leaving the door wide open to chaos in the streets.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Apr 20, 2012, at 9:24 PM

"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

"well regulated militia being necessary"..."the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

Read as a whole, and not conveniently extracted, it does not say you can load up on guns, unless you are part of a well regulated militia. Further, "bearing arms" is stretched a long way when you take it to mean packing nuclear weapons, or bombs, missiles, etc. Why not extend it to anthrax, and such by that standard?

News it is not like you to be so imprecise. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Apr 20, 2012, at 7:15 PM

They can have my nuclear bomb when they pry it out of my dead, cold ashes!!

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Apr 20, 2012, at 7:10 PM

By the way, nowhere in the 2nd Amendment does the Constitution give the Federal or State Governments the authority to regulate ownership of arms by American citizens.

Since nowhere in the 2nd Amendment does it list exceptions, this would include all arms -- including nuclear arms as well.

The 2nd Amendment reads as follows:

" the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html...

Clearly, American citizens who can either afford nuclear arms, or have the physics know-how to design and build their own nuclear arms, have the right to own, carry, and use those arms as they choose within the limits of the 2nd Amendment.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Apr 20, 2012, at 5:28 PM

Smart Dog,

Even though I completely disagree with you, and despite the fact that I strongly support the 2nd Amendment and the God given right of every American to own and possess their very own, personal nuclear warhead, I must say your comment has a wonderful "hammerish" feel to it.

That is some mighty fine hammerin' there mate!!

Good on ya SD!

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Apr 20, 2012, at 4:40 PM

Nice woof Smart Dog! That one should make the "conservative" canines in the neighborhood howl, but then maybe they will just stay curled up in their crates licking the same old things they always do, as always unaware of the stink. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Apr 20, 2012, at 3:48 PM

Poor rr3, he seems to have trouble with history.

Ever heard of James Brady, a Reagan staff member? It was following John Hinkley's attempted assasination of Ronald Reagan, and successful shooting of Brady, that the push for gun control by the federal government began, starting with hand guns.

Brady and Reagan were Republicans, just in case you didn't know.

Not saying I agree with gun control, just would like to clarify where the modern push for gun control began, and it had nothing to do with Democrats, who may have agreed, but it was Brady's family, and Reagan, who made the big political push.

At that time, the Senate had a republican majority, yet somehow the "Brady Bill" passed and was signed into law by Reagan.

Those conservatives and their revisionist history.

Sheesh.

It was Lee Atwater who brought about the concept of aligning the conservatives with the NRA about 6 years later. Atwater was a political 'Genghis Kahn' who believed in winning at all costs. Lying and misleading voters were just means to an end for Lee.

His theory was that NRA members would make good lemming voters, just like christians, and therefore the GOP should wave the NRA flag to buy votes.

The GOP's disdain for gun laws was a political ploy, nothing more, nothing less. An easy way to convince middle class white guys, who were all voting democratic due to their union and working class ties, to vote for a party which favors the rich elitists and corporations.

And it worked so well that when Atwater later wrote a book describing how he had damaged the American political system with tactics used against several democrats in the late 80's the GOP then turned their backs on him and basically said that he had gone soft in the head.

The GOP loves their position now as defenders of guns and god. It works very well to get folks who will NEVER benefit from their tax and spending policies to vote for them. They also love the Atwater methods so much (Swift Boat anyone? Birthers?) that they just can't help themselves.

This is why many former Reagan Republicans can not stand what the GOP has evolved into.

Those who have not paid much attention to the details still think the GOP is in their corner, and the GOP also does everything they can to keep that belief alive.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Fri, Apr 20, 2012, at 2:43 PM

rr3yvo,

Ok, I'll bite. Who is coming for your guns?

Obama? The guy who signed the law that said you can now take a loaded weapon into national parks for personal protection? Is he the NRA's latest election year boogeyman? Of course he is. The NRA will sell a lot of new membership's and manufacturers will sell and absurd amount of guns and ammo because of people like you. I'm curious, do you not understand what is going on or do you refuse to care about about it?

I'll ask you again, do you possess the ability to generate even one thought for yourself or do you rely soley on FOX news and the bible?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, Apr 20, 2012, at 5:56 AM

LEST WE FORGET:

conservatism = fascism.

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause

4. Supremacy of the Military

5. Rampant Sexism

6. Controlled Mass Media

7. Obsession with National Security

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined

9. Corporate Power is Protected

10. Labor Power is Suppressed

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment

13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption

14. Fraudulent Elections

"Fourteen Defining

Characteristics Of Fascism"

http://www.rense.com/general37/char.htm

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Apr 20, 2012, at 3:37 AM

"Online 'propaganda' campaign targets USA Today reporters"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/04/19/on...

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/...

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Apr 20, 2012, at 3:27 AM

rr,

I don't care which political party a conservative is a member of.

Conservatives of both parties are evil.

Be he/she a conservative Republican or be he/she a conservative Democrat, all conservatives are fascist cowards bent upon the destruction of the Democratic Republic of the United states.

Conservatism is the problem -- party association has no significance because the conservative is on a mission to establish the NAZI 4th Reich in America, and no party affiliation can change that.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Apr 20, 2012, at 2:38 AM

Did you know class that gun control laws began with the Democrats. It was to keep blacks from owning guns. It allowed the Democratic policy of slavery to proceed and then after the civil war it allowed the Democratic KKK to menace and murder blacks with little resistance. The KKK is to Democrats what the ACLU is today. Because of the Democrats we had to fight the Civil War. Then after the war the Democrats passed legislation that denied 'blacks' citizenship. Then we had a Christian minister in 1956 had his house firebombed, Dr. King. Remember him. He applied for a gun permit to protect his family and was denied as unsuitable. Later he won the Nobel Peace Prize. It is easy to oppress people when they cannot defend themselves. Liberals want us to be unarmed, physically and mentally, they don't want the truth to get out because we may decide that we don't need them anymore. Folks the conservative majority will win in November and we can kick the liberal minority to the curb.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, Apr 19, 2012, at 11:52 PM

Your ongoing Obama green energy disaster of the day: Fisker Automotive

The death watch begins.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?i...

Was there any doubt that this whole stimulus debacle would be a complete and total failure. Just like this president.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, Apr 19, 2012, at 11:25 PM

Am now CPp. :)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Apr 19, 2012, at 10:29 PM

Ahhh my main man Coltrane! Thanks News.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Apr 19, 2012, at 10:17 PM

OKR,

Great jam!!

I hope one of these days that band will tour Australia.

Their music is an interesting sound somewhat reminiscent of a kind of "Slow Fusion."

In fact, I was reminded by their performance of these fellows...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6WwuxqXP...

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Apr 19, 2012, at 9:29 PM

News back at you: The Derek Trucks Band from "Joyful Noise", the aptly titled "So Close, So Far Away" ;) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TS7jH_Ny...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Apr 19, 2012, at 8:05 PM

"House Dems introduce bill recognizing low income mothers raising their kids as work"

"...allow stay-at-home mothers to be compensated for taking care of their young children without worrying about falling into abject poverty."

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/04/19/ho...

Finally, some good ideas begin to emerge from Congress.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Apr 19, 2012, at 6:03 PM

rr3yvo,

Be careful what you wish for, that theocrat may have a different religion than you do.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Thu, Apr 19, 2012, at 9:00 AM

"It's been fun getting to know Ted Nugent!" - Mitt Romney

Well, I think that says much, right there.

It's interesting that Mitt thinks Ted, who is doing everything he can to inspire the next Tim McVeigh, is fun.

Sheesh.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Thu, Apr 19, 2012, at 8:43 AM

CP.

I remember Ted "Chicken Droppings" Nugent from way back.

He was an ignorant, cowardly redneck back then and he is an ignorant, cowardly redneck today.

Much like his pathetic, aging-baby-boomer, "classic" rock nonsense, he has not progressed even a little bit intellectually in all these years.

Anyone who listens to anything he has to say should have their head examined.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Apr 19, 2012, at 7:05 AM

"Racist Americans - The Chaser's War On Everything"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2rJBR5tm...

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Apr 19, 2012, at 6:51 AM

"Chasers : War on Everything -Americans"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJ3RrqBqk...

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Apr 19, 2012, at 6:19 AM

Yeh wtf thats why businesses spend the big bucks to advertise on their shows. Its not to reach a small audience but to reach a large audience. Liberal talk=small; conservative talk=big. Big is better.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, Apr 19, 2012, at 6:07 AM

rr3yvo said:

"Why does conservative talk radio dominate?"

What, do you think this is some sort of grand proclamation about the listening audience being mostly conservative? Wrong. It's about the airwaves being owned by a select few content providers. What they give us is mostly conservative programming in a concerted effort to further bolster thier own greedy aspirations. Congrats, rr3yvo, you have fallen for thier B.S. just like that of the bible. Have you ever once in your life thought for yourself?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Thu, Apr 19, 2012, at 5:03 AM

"Lawsuit: Former Bain execs fired employees for not being Mormon"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/04/18/la...

http://www.courthousenews.com/2012/04/17...

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Apr 19, 2012, at 3:22 AM

rr,

He was never a liberal.

He has always been ultra-conservative, and he has always been a coward.

Most conservatives are cowards -- as the cowardly invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan proved -- so it should not be surprising to learn that he shares that characteristic.

Unlike my liberal nephew who died while saving American lives in Afghanistan, and unlike my highly decorated, liberal Uncle Stanley (yeah, one of Marshall's own) who was one of the first in Marshall to join up after the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor and who sustained massive wounds while serving as a volunteer Ball Turret Gunner fighting that enemy in the South Pacific (Battle of Iwo Jima and Battle of Guadalcanal, just to name a couple of the fights he fought}.

As to the Motor City Madman, I don't get my political advice from cowards. That boy is and always has been one of you conservatives' own.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Apr 19, 2012, at 2:46 AM

Democrats play defense in U.S. Senate races

http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.c...

Conservatives will win in landslide victory in November. Conservative majority will reign.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Apr 18, 2012, at 11:58 PM

That was when he was a liberal.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Apr 18, 2012, at 11:30 PM

"Ted Nugent 'literally crapped his pants' over Vietnam draft"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/04/18/ce...

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Apr 18, 2012, at 11:21 PM

New it ought to tell you that no one want to listen to the liberal Democrats. Why does conservative talk radio dominate? You could have your own show but the audience is so limited I guess you are stuck to the MDN speak out column. Frustrating isn't it to be in the minority.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Apr 18, 2012, at 11:14 PM

Good piece on The failed Drug War(Zogby poll,75% of Americans believe it has failed). What a shame that we must go to Al Jazeera for inclusive reporting. Thanks News.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Apr 18, 2012, at 7:47 PM

"Is it time to end America's 'war on drugs'?"

http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/insi...

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Apr 18, 2012, at 5:46 PM

"Study: GOP guests dominate Sunday morning talk shows"

" The results skewed heavily Republican, white and male, with only token representation by blacks and Latinos, and virtually no appearances by guests outside of one of the two national political parties."

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/04/18/st...

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=4514

Fascist America's "exceptional" approach to "fair and balanced," a page right out of the German NAZI Party's handbook.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Apr 18, 2012, at 5:13 PM

Good stuff News...ND tomatoes are fine, putting peppers in this weekend, lettuce is about ready, and have had a few onions. Not sure what else I will put in other than beans, okra.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Apr 18, 2012, at 4:21 PM

Check it out. You might learn something,

-- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Apr 18, 2012, at 11:17 AM

Current TV really!!!! I have wondered who in the world would watch that channel. Now I know.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Apr 18, 2012, at 10:43 AM

rr3yvo,

If you have more than one channel (FOX) on your TV, check out the Young Turks on Current TV.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Apr 18, 2012, at 6:28 AM

OKR,

I think your right mate.

Now, having said that...

So how ya been mate? Are ya getting anywhere with the garden? I got a little worried about you back there a few days ago with all the reports of tornadoes out that way and all. I had this whole "Wizard of Oz" vision of you running from the garden to the house as a tornado comes down a dirt road headed directly for you stuck in my head. So, yeah, I am glad to see that it didn't actually happen. The way I figure, it probably wouldn't be the first time anyway... it bein' Oklahoma and all.

Ok, well on other matters, I thought you might like this song. Its by Poppa Chubby, "King of the New York blues."

"Daddy Played the Blues"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tkm3_4HaQ...

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Apr 18, 2012, at 1:28 AM

rr3yv0

Uh huh...lol lol lol lol lol...

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Apr 18, 2012, at 12:41 AM

Well I suppose I am beeing harassed by Harry Anslinger's ghost. He never wanted the truth about drugs to get out. One more time.

http://www.rinf.com/alt-news/politics/hi...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Apr 17, 2012, at 9:47 PM

Try this link, the one below is bad.http://www.rinf.com/alt-news/politics/history-of-presidential-drug-alcohol-abuse/2082/

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Apr 17, 2012, at 9:35 PM

George Washington, Thomas, Jefferson,James Madison,James Monroe, Andrew Jackson, Zachary Taylor, Franklin Pierce, all purportedly pot smokers, also Ben Franklin. Pierce is quoted as saying "smoking cannabis was the only positive thing about the Mexican War".

Then there is the modern group of druggies. JFK, Nixon, Dan Quayle, Bill Clinton, Al Gore, George W. Bush, John Kerry, Obama.

And that doesn't count all the Presidents, and President's wives who used laudanum, and other addictive patent medicines throughout history.

Our hypocritical drug policies must come to an end. They won't when we keep electing people like our current Hypocrite in Chief Barak Obama. He knows first hand that marijuana is not the bogey man portrayed by our capitalistic War on Drugs, yet is so craven that he will not even allow sick people to use it medicinally, even when the laws of a state say it is legal. He is disgusting, cowardly, and the biggest disappointment of any President I have voted for, which goes back to JFK.

George Will is right, Milton Friedman is right, along with many other solid conservatives, end the drug war now. http://www.rinf.com/alt-news/politics/hi...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Apr 17, 2012, at 9:27 PM

Obama fighting his war on big oil today as Romney rises in the polls. Obama has awoke the conservative majority in this country. The liberal minority will be kicked to the curb in November. Even some of the liberal folks are waking to the fact that they don't care about you or me just your vote if they can dupe you enough to vote for them. Obama and liberals own words will spell defeat. It won't matter who runs against Obama because the majority will be voting against Obama that will be the main reason to vote. People that have never voted before will vote in November. So if you want to be duped listen to the liberal media they will tell you all of the lies that you want to hear.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Tue, Apr 17, 2012, at 9:18 PM

"Incarceration, Inc."

Paul Ashton, a researcher with Justice Policy Institute; Charlie DeTar, co-founder of Between The Bars, a blogging platform for people in prison; and Harris Kenny, a policy analyst with Reason Foundation

http://stream.aljazeera.com/story/incarc...

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Apr 17, 2012, at 6:11 PM

AMERICA, LAND OF INEQUALITY, HOME OF THE SEXIST

"Women paid 77 cents for every dollar a man gets: study"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/04/17/st...

"FACT SHEET: Working Women and the Wage Gap"

http://www.nationalpartnership.org/site/...

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Apr 17, 2012, at 5:14 PM

"Cops arrest 6-year-old kindergartener in Georgia"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/04/17/co...

http://www.13wmaz.com/news/article/17844...

Only in America.

Thank goodness I don't live in the American police-state.

Somewhere in the process of trading your liberty for security you lost both.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Apr 17, 2012, at 4:30 PM

nana - and i know this isn't the religion speak out ... but i believe it's possible that jesus was a hippy ... so to speak ... he talked about peace a lot, anyway ... and put forth many of the same ideologies present at the height of the movement in the 60s ... i'm sure some will disagree, but that's what's great about this country ... we can disagree ... just sayin'

-- Posted by zeke on Tue, Apr 17, 2012, at 11:49 AM

in the immortal words of the bellamy brothers ... he's an old hippy, and he don't know what to do ... should he hang on to the old - should he grab on to the new .. he's an old hippy ... his new life is just a bust - he ain't tryin to hurt nobody ... he's just tryin real hard to adjust ...

-- Posted by zeke on Tue, Apr 17, 2012, at 11:24 AM

Peace. :)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Apr 17, 2012, at 11:02 AM

nana - i was serious when i posted that comment about getting back to the older, simpler ways - don't know why it caused so much controversy ...

-- Posted by zeke on Tue, Apr 17, 2012, at 9:36 AM

What is the real war on women called?

Abortion!

What political party really gets behind this and makes it a political issue?

Liberals you know who you are!

What political party are liberals generally associated with?

Democrats!

That's all for tonight class.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Mon, Apr 16, 2012, at 10:54 PM

Sen. Bernie Sanders: 'This is not what democracy looks like."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBugoGrPD...!

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Apr 16, 2012, at 6:32 PM

"Protest targets U.S. cyber intelligence legislation known as CISPA"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/04/16/pr...

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Apr 16, 2012, at 4:45 PM

We shall see but don't worry, nonsense just beads up and rolls off of me. You might say I am "thick skinned." However, the important thing to remember is that in this forum only facts matter.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Apr 16, 2012, at 4:37 PM

consider yourself spared -

-- Posted by zeke on Mon, Apr 16, 2012, at 4:19 PM

zeke, spare me your personal insults.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Apr 16, 2012, at 4:17 PM

na - you obviously have no idea what you are talking about ... no stereotypes here - i was actually talking about my own younger days and no one elses ... sorry to burst your "i know more than anyone" bubble - but you really missed the target on that jab ... have a great evening - mate ...

-- Posted by zeke on Mon, Apr 16, 2012, at 4:06 PM

zeke

Spare us your stereotypes mate.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Apr 16, 2012, at 3:41 PM

i say let'em have it (the pols, i mean) ... thinking about getting back to my hippying - tree hugging - anti-warring - love, peace, and rock-n-rolling - poetry writing - guitar picking ways and dropping out of this crazy rat race ... anyone have any ideas of where and how that might be accomplished? ... blue jeans and sandals here i come ... say - do they still make waffle stompers with tire tread soles???? far out man ...(singing/humming) where have all the flowers gone ...

-- Posted by zeke on Mon, Apr 16, 2012, at 3:16 PM

rr3yv0

They only call it class warfare when we the People fight back.

We way outnumber the rich mate, if we wanted to do so, We the People could have all of them sitting on death row today -- flat broke and awaiting their turn on the Guillotine. So far we have been very generous with them...and you call that generosity "war." However, if the rich and their running dogs continue to wage their war on the Middle-class and poor, We the People eventually will end our generosity. What do you think will happen to them and those who defend the rich then?

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Apr 16, 2012, at 8:12 AM

rr3yvo,

Liberal war on women and contraceptives? Could you be more specific.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Mon, Apr 16, 2012, at 6:34 AM

Don't forget all the liberal wars. Like the war on women and the war on the rich. Oh yeh the war on contraceptives. Let's not forget these are only wars for distraction from there dismal failures.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Mon, Apr 16, 2012, at 5:56 AM

I for one am glad the Republican circus of the crazies is over for another 4 years.

And of course we all know your boy Romney doesn't stand a chance of winning the White House.

And the voters all across the Country are chomping at the bit to vote the teaparty crazies out and replace them with sane politicians at both the Federal and State levels.

Yes, its going to be a rough election for the Republicans -- get used to it!

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Apr 15, 2012, at 4:01 PM

So it seems the conservatives started another war they could not finish.

How many Vietnams and collapsed economies do we need before we admit conservatism doesn't work?

How many more Americans have to die for a conservative wish-list?

Well...election time is here. Now is our chance to do something about it.

LET'S KICK THE CONSERVATIVES TO THE CURB THIS ELECTION YEAR!!

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Apr 15, 2012, at 1:34 AM

"Afghan war whistleblower Daniel Davis: 'I had to speak out -- lives are at stake"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/04/14/af...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/...

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Apr 14, 2012, at 6:30 PM

Nanci Griffith, great choice ND.

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Apr 14, 2012, at 5:15 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALcdFAAoj...

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Apr 13, 2012, at 8:17 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xmRWj7gJ...

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Apr 13, 2012, at 8:07 PM

"American Nazi Party registers a lobbyist in Washington D.C."

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/robe...

http://www.legistorm.com/lobbying/downlo...

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Apr 13, 2012, at 7:36 PM

"The End of America"

Naomi Wolf

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjALf12PA...

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Apr 12, 2012, at 6:10 PM

"Rise in justifiable homicides linked to weak gun control laws"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/apr...

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Apr 12, 2012, at 6:46 AM

OKR,

Actually, in both Italy and Germany the rise of fascism was quite subtle. They knew better than to throw the frog into boiling water.

Fascist don't pass all draconian legislation all at once.

It does not happen over night.

Instead, fascists pass little pieces of draconian law a little bit at a time, so as not to reveal their ultimate plan for iron fisted control, and to keep the public unaware of fascism's ultimate plans. Eventually fascism is so entrenched within the framework of the nation that the dictator no longer requires a veil of legitimacy to remain in firm control of the nation. The People become captives within their own borders with little choice or recourse to the authoritarianism that is now their master.

At that point, the only boiled frog the People find is the one in their desperate dinner pot.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Apr 12, 2012, at 3:52 AM

Does that last post of mine fit the category of dark humor, or sick humor, or something else?

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Apr 12, 2012, at 12:11 AM

Things are so much more sophisticated these days News. After fifty years of conditioning by an increasingly subtle, and ever more psychologically powerful advertising we are a crowd of Zombies doing a shuffle dance on command at the appropriate visual, and audio cue. They have snatched our minds, leaving our bodies dancing whichever way they care to pull the strings.

I don't think that they will have to snatch bodies in the old heavy handed way of the Third Reich; that is unless the Populis becomes bored with insufficient violence to minorities in the sporting world. At that point they may roll out mass murder of minorities to hold our jaded attention for forthcoming brainwashing "commercials". ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Apr 12, 2012, at 12:06 AM

Look for public events like this one brought to directly from the American Conservative Movement (ACM).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WrJMko34...

And a few years after that, expect to see a whole lot of this sort of thing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbyJeiuZx...

Conservatives, they have done it before, and they want to do it again.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Apr 11, 2012, at 5:25 PM

WTF,

You are probably right.

The problem is not her -- the problem is the majority who voted for her, a majority who insist on repeating Germany's mistakes.

Let's hope the innocent minority will be able to escape the Evil Empire before the American Iron Curtain seals tight preventing Americans from escaping to freedom.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Apr 11, 2012, at 4:14 PM

Hartzler know's exactly what she is saying because she know's exactly who she is talking to. Crazy like a fox.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Apr 11, 2012, at 9:18 AM

ND, NA, it is my opinion that Ms. Hartzler has a medical problem. I think this because she remains a birther despite a preponderance of evidence to the contrary, and absolutely no evidence supporting that dead horse. Further evidence is that only an insane person would equate same sex marriage with incest, and allowing three year olds to drive. As she made those statements which are patently wrong, and beyond illogical, the only rational conclusion I am able to make is that she is not in full possession of her faculties. Poor thing, I think she needs a good long rest.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Apr 10, 2012, at 10:34 PM

Hartzler's plan for the USA, including Marshall, is well demonstrated graphically in this video made by her fellow conservatives.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ceLnMT0r...

This is your future, Marshall, if you keep electing fascist-racist pigs like Hartzler.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Apr 10, 2012, at 4:42 PM

Hartzler is worthless as a representative and about and dumb as a brick.

Don't expect anything good to come from that teaparty crazy.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Apr 10, 2012, at 4:09 PM

But I have a problem with this dictator as well...

"Obama turns super-hawk"

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion...

Its time we kick the Conservatives of both the major parties to the curb and bring Democracy back into style.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Apr 9, 2012, at 7:17 PM

WTF,

The video-article you linked us to in your comment was absolutely fantastic. Clearly it describes the fascist conservatives very well indeed.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Apr 9, 2012, at 5:26 PM

ND,

I really enjoyed reading the article you posted a link to.

Its been kind of funny watching America obstinately attempt to refuse to modernize its medical care access system. "Anything but that!" seems to be the American response to a medical care access system that the rest of the World regards as the norm -- and has regarded it as such for many years now.

I have heard Americans make the craziest predictions about socialized medicine while knowing from my own daily experiences that the Americans' fears were nothing more than pure-d nonsense.

The rest of the World already knows what the Americans have yet to learn -- socialized medicine works and works well.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Apr 9, 2012, at 5:23 PM

rr3yo,

When I saw this I thought of you.

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/04/09/...

-- Posted by What the f...... on Mon, Apr 9, 2012, at 2:23 PM

Then it would be legal!!!!

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Mon, Apr 9, 2012, at 11:42 AM

A Vision for America's future, the Christian-Republican plan for America's future.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZks5jRDb...

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Apr 8, 2012, at 5:53 PM

"Afghanistan gets veto power over NATO night raids"

http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/201...

Maybe now the Afghans will finally get some relief from the terror of American Death Squads.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Apr 8, 2012, at 5:14 PM

"Armed Neo-Nazis Now Patrolling Sanford, Say They Are "Prepared" For Post-Trayvon Martin Violence"

http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2...

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Apr 6, 2012, at 7:03 PM

"Michael Moore's 'Capitalism: A Love Story' - Wal-Mart 'Dead Peasants' Scene"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frs25Rsst...

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Apr 5, 2012, at 8:47 PM

Excellent vid ND!

Carlin was not fooled by illusion. He saw through the charade quite well.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Apr 5, 2012, at 5:11 PM

Thanks Nana, you made my day! Carlin & Maher are strait up! Common sense at its best. My kind of People. Sorry we lost Carlin!

-- Posted by Jo on Thu, Apr 5, 2012, at 1:23 PM

How funny that apparently Mr. Romney has forgotten that he has two degrees from Harvard and that three of his kids have degrees from there.

Gotta love a guy who shoots himself in the foot when he's trying to hit his opponent.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Thu, Apr 5, 2012, at 1:06 PM

Well rr,

Since the President now seems to have the legal power over the life and death of every American and the power to deny any American their right to habeas corpus and imprison them indefinitely, it would appear that even if Mr. Obama should lose he would only be replaced by another President/Dictator with the same powers.

Electing your dictators does not make them any less a dictator and does not make America any more democratic.

The American Republic ended the day it became Imperialist America -- December 12, 2000.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Apr 4, 2012, at 7:23 PM

Obama is appealing directly to the dumbest Americans saying the Republicans budget will poison the water and the air and the food and even screw up weather forecast!!! Huh When have you followed a weather forecast that was accurate past a few days? This is the Democrat base though. Not a single thing he can point to that he has done that he can say to the people they want more of. Unless it would be food stamps or unemployment or put more money into bankrupt solar energy. This would be funny if it wasn't the president of the United States. He's appealing to his base though because he is desperate for votes because they see the writing on the wall. We could run a chimpanzee against this guy and he would win in a landslide because the smart people would vote for the chimp. This is crazy Obama is saying this about a budget that is less then a trillion dollars less then his budget, this Republican budget don't balance until what 2040? I don't think the country will last that long as we know it. Europe is coming to America, but we want to be exactly like them, so we will be. I don't think there is a current budget being proposed in Washington by anybody that is going to help this country we are heading for bankruptcy in fact I think we are already there everything else has to catch up.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Apr 4, 2012, at 5:48 PM

I do remember some of the Statements made by that nut!Thanks for bringing it back. You think back at Bush, State of the Union Address there was NO remarks from the Audience,like this one Clown did to Obama! That's when Obama should have demanded some respect! I guess i'm expecting some action when things like that happens! That's when Dueling should be brought back! I think that would stop it, or a punch in the Mouth! They would think when they show this kind of disrespect to one another! Thanks News!

-- Posted by Jo on Wed, Apr 4, 2012, at 4:58 PM

Jo

Recently I was going through some "you tube" videos from the '50s and I ran across some of the old crazy, Republican Senator Joe McCarthy communist witch-hunt hearings which destroyed careers and destroyed reputations of good men and women.

"Welch versus Joseph McCarthy 1-2"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Po5GlFba5...

"Welch versus Joseph McCarthy 2-2"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=end...

It made me realize that these Republicans are just as bad now as they were back then.

Its time We the People kick the conservatives in Washington and in the State Governments to the curb where they belong.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Apr 3, 2012, at 8:23 PM

Hey News:These lying Politicians has got me, i'm frustrated, I have to stay out of it for a while, and try to see the reasoning for the way the Electorate acts! And it gets too me! People will cut the Nose off their face! ( with a broken Bottle) for little encouragement from these fools! Can"t see when there being took,and what to do about it! Its disgusting! Its not the supposed Leaders,its the disgusting People that puts them there! Before i Vote again,i'm going to know everything there is to know about all the Jerks from the Day they stuck their head out!This Country is not what i remember! They wouldn't put up with it! Genetics i guess?

-- Posted by Jo on Tue, Apr 3, 2012, at 3:28 PM

Hey Jo,

Where ya been buddy?

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Apr 3, 2012, at 5:25 AM

Our Government has went over the line in every aspect of Governing this Country! WE ARE NOT THE BOSS ANYMORE! Neither is the President! With out an all out Civil unrest against these people nothing will change! Some are doing what they can, but they can't do it alone! Civil & Nice has not worked with these Screw balls? Both Democrats and Republicans!

-- Posted by Jo on Mon, Apr 2, 2012, at 10:02 PM

"Norway killer planned Obama attack"

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/wor...

Well, those Christian "virtues" REALLY do show themselves with fierce resolve! But I think we would be better off without them.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Apr 1, 2012, at 10:15 PM

"ACLU blasts Baltimore police for handcuffing schoolchildren"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/04/01/ac...

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2012-03...

What's next for the American police state? Perhaps we will soon see kids on chain gangs.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Apr 1, 2012, at 7:31 PM

RR,

I certainly agree that the unfunded mandate portion of the health care act is probably unconstitutional.

But is it surprising when you consider that the authors of the law were conservatives?

After all, its not the first time conservatives have attempted to force unfunded mandates on the American People.

Its time we stop listening to conservatives on health care issues because conservatives clearly didn't seem to know what they were doing when they drafted the so-called Obama Care law.

However, the health care problems still exist. Americans are still filing bankruptcy due to medical bills at a record rate, and millions are still being denied even basic health care access.

We need a workable solution to the problem because both of the conservative ideas thus far -- Obama Care and root-hog-or die -- seem to fall way short of the goal of affordable and equal health care access for all.

Perhaps we should try a proven, successful approach to health care that has a far greater success rate -- socialized medicine.

Its time we Americans tell the conservatives enough is enough!

Its time we demand they stop playing political games with our health care and demand a rock-solid, successful health care access system similar to the health care system we see in every other Western Industrialized nation in the World.

Socialized medicine...we KNOW it works!

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Apr 1, 2012, at 3:12 PM

APRIL FOOL!

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sun, Apr 1, 2012, at 7:43 AM

OBAMACARE FIGHT 'SOON TO BE OVER'? LOL!

http://www.wnd.com/2012/03/obamacare-fig...

Who will hold the government accountable to even a Supreme Court ruling? They evidently aren't accountable to the constitution. Will tyranny prevail? or Will the law prevail?

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sun, Apr 1, 2012, at 7:42 AM


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