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Speak Out April 1 to July 31, 2012

Sunday, April 1, 2012

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Amperage what news sources do you find credible? I think that the Christian Science Monitor is best in this country for provided unslanted news.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Jul 30, 2012, at 10:56 PM

Smart Dog,

I think it would be advisable to add the Huffington Post, probably Bloomberg and I am sure a few others to your voter tip list also.

-- Posted by Amperage on Mon, Jul 30, 2012, at 10:30 PM

Speaking of sports,

Marshall can be very proud of its own Jessica Philippus, a top performing athlete and a good role model for Marshall's young, athletic hopefuls.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Jul 30, 2012, at 3:57 PM

BTW, here's a tip for voters.

If anyone cites the US Chamber of Commerce, Fox News, or Rush Limbaugh as a source of informed analysis for any given topic, they are wrong and you are recieving campaign propoganda, not the truth.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Mon, Jul 30, 2012, at 10:47 AM

What I found most disappointing in that story is that the Koch's have spent $61,500,000 trying to disprove global warming.

I guess they really hate Al Gore that bad. Al must have dated their wives before they got married or something.

Think of all the good that could have come from $61 million well spent.

How did climate science get to be a political issue anyway?

I reckon this is another symptom of our ridiculous political culture in America in the new century. Politicize every single thing so that some politician somewhere can a) get donors that are for or against that thing to give you money; and b) take a poll and decide which side of the issue most voters are on and then proceed accordingly.

Problem is, as science and math education in America sucks so badly, the average Amercian voter has no idea what is right and what is wrong regarding any scientific issue.

The politicians love that as good old emotion then informs the opinion of the voter, and we all know how much they love to prey on the emotional issues.

Like the dope that thought it was a good idea to compare Obama to the Colorado serial killer on an billboard.

The pinacle of callousness has now been reached by neo-con supporters. I thought they reached it when Pat Robertson blamed gays for 9/11 and Katrina, but I believe a new benchmark has been set.

I reckon there are now more Fred Phelps clones in American than anyone realizes.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Mon, Jul 30, 2012, at 10:37 AM

"Koch-funded climate scientist: 'I was wrong, humans are to blame"



-- Posted by news across on Sun, Jul 29, 2012, at 5:14 PM

Dont have that problem with Direct TV!

-- Posted by momaster on Sun, Jul 29, 2012, at 1:58 PM

I have noticed that watching the Olympics on channel 11 is slightly better than on 8, as there seem to be only half of the number of political (lies) commercials as there are on 8. Stouffer is totally absent from channel 11 as well.

-- Posted by Interested Too on Sun, Jul 29, 2012, at 11:06 AM

Anyone know anything about Espressions Coffee House? They seem to be closed.

-- Posted by momaster on Sun, Jul 29, 2012, at 10:38 AM

It stinks that Boomer was hurt but why wasnt he on a leash? Is he exempt from Marshalls leash law?

-- Posted by Employed on Sat, Jul 28, 2012, at 11:26 PM

How did the surgery go for Boomer? Tough deal.

-- Posted by Pasta on Sat, Jul 28, 2012, at 7:24 PM

I hope that the MPD thoroughly searched the driver of, and the car that struck poor Boomer. That ever vigilant drug dog may have caught a whiff, and charged forth on an unauthorized mission.


-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Jul 28, 2012, at 12:35 PM

Thanks Alwayz.

I'm puzzled MDN, why post the initial story about the man falling off the bridge, if you're not going to post the outcome? I had been checking MDN's website daily looking for an update-but finally had to go to KMZU's website today, to find out he was found on Wednesday at noon. I know you can't report everything all the time, but this one was regarding someone's life/death.

-- Posted by patron on Fri, Jul 27, 2012, at 5:32 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
We're attempting to verify the information with law enforcement officials in Carroll County. When we do, we'll publish the followup story.

Poor little Boomer.

I hope he gets well soon.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Jul 27, 2012, at 5:01 PM

Eric- Boomer was the MPD member I spoke of. I just consider him an officer, one of Marshall's finest ya know. Poor Boomer...

Although...rumor has it that there could be more to the story...the poor person that struck him. Bet that person just feels horrible...

-- Posted by Scarpetta on Fri, Jul 27, 2012, at 10:23 AM

*this is hearsay, until confirmed* -- I heard yesterday a member of the MPD was injured...I have yet to see it mentioned in the paper. While the incident did not occur on duty, I still wonder why we haven't seen anything if it's true?? Any news on Boomer our K-9 officer?? Is he ok?? Will he be retired?? What happened that he was able to be struck by a car?? Where was his partner?? Just a few questions I have...

-- Posted by Scarpetta on Fri, Jul 27, 2012, at 10:07 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
We'll have a story on Boomer posted in a few minutes. I have not heard of any other member of MPD being injured. If you have details, please call 886-2233 or email ecrump@marshallnews.com.

Yes they found his body a little after noon Wednesday. Of course, it wasn't mentioned anywhere but the Carrollton radio, you have to be a family of affuence to get any attention in Waverly.

-- Posted by alwayzmovin on Fri, Jul 27, 2012, at 9:28 AM

Did they find the man who fell off the Waverly bridge? Through a friend of a friend, I saw a post on facebook about his funeral services scheduled for this weekend, but have never heard that his body had been found. ?

-- Posted by patron on Fri, Jul 27, 2012, at 8:37 AM

That is true kkmom! The park should staff all the jobs with more employees to keep the MAC open!

Time for a new blog Eric!

-- Posted by willie makit on Thu, Jul 26, 2012, at 4:39 PM

Lifegaurds are not the only people who work at the pool. Those working at the front desk and in the concession stand cooking don't have the oppurtunity to rotate or jump in the pool.

-- Posted by kkmom on Thu, Jul 26, 2012, at 3:05 PM

Glad the Marshall Aquatics Center will be going back to normal hours so those of us who have a season pass and also work til 5pm, will be able to use it again during week. I didn't understand the logic in the previous hours during the heat. Open earlier and stay open later during this time also rotate the lifeguard's shifts to be able to do so. Season passes are not cheap and when you are not able to use them when it's at your convenience, well that's a waste of money. I do hope that doesn't hinder those from purchasing passes in the future. It would be a shame for the pool to lose money to where it would have to shut it down. Consider that when the next heat wave arrives and people would like to enjoy the pool!

-- Posted by MADDmother on Thu, Jul 26, 2012, at 11:35 AM

Hey guys, speaking of DQ...I don't know if they're participating or not, BUT:

It's Miracle Treat Day at Dairy Queen! If this ridiculously hot weather wasn't enough of an excuse to go and get ice cream - now you have another! For every Blizzard sold today, Dairy Queen will donate $1 to Children's Miracle Network Hospitals.

How COOL is that??? Get some ice cream, do some good! It's win-win all around!

-- Posted by koeller77 on Thu, Jul 26, 2012, at 8:20 AM


I have eaten often at DQ, and they do actually seem to care that you get good service. Family owned establishments generally do, and the owners are usually there as well. However, I have been stuck in their drive through when a driver gets an order, seemingly fit for an army. They don't have a spot up there where an employee could easily ask the car to move forward and let an employee bring the larger orders out.

I do agree though, much better service.

-- Posted by Interested Too on Thu, Jul 26, 2012, at 7:51 AM

Interested Too

I highly recommend the DQ on South Odell. The food is always fresh, hot, and delicious and the service is much better than Mackers (Australian for McDonald's)

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Jul 25, 2012, at 10:56 PM

Comparatively lately, the service inside McDonald's has been terrible too.

You stand in line while they hustle one order after another for the drive thru. I've been at other McDonald's where they move the cars up during a rush and bring the food out to them to keep the line moving, but they still treat indoor customers as 2nd class citizens. Also, even though I have boycotted for 6 months (so it may, admittedly, be better), there was so much yelling going on behind the line about orders and when people got their breaks that there was no way to keep any sense of decorum.

McDonalds is a place for rowdy, noisy, happy-go-lucky kids. I see that now, and will not be a customer again.

-- Posted by Interested Too on Wed, Jul 25, 2012, at 9:02 PM

Man does anybody else think the new drive-thru system at the Marshall McDonalds totally sucks? I was there for 15 minutes today in line. How does having the two order boxes in the same line supposed to help at all? Sedalia has two lanes and two order boxes and that seems to work better than what we have here. I hope they fix it soon cause the way it is now it takes way to long to go to the drive-thru.

-- Posted by lovesbacon on Wed, Jul 25, 2012, at 5:03 PM

Well I'm sure all those folks will be delighted by your suggestion CN.

-- Posted by wheresthelove on Wed, Jul 25, 2012, at 4:01 PM

Thank you for the quick response on the picture question earlier.....I have another question....I want to ask if there would be any story about the LaCoMo East boys playing in the state games?They played on the field opposite the girls all weekend. I am happy for the girls, but would like to see the same for the boys!

-- Posted by buzymomof1 on Wed, Jul 25, 2012, at 12:00 AM

CPp huh? Wha'choo talkin' bout?

I have been searching all about for the thread that correlates to your comment, but it is akin to searching for a needle in a hay stack. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Jul 24, 2012, at 7:42 PM


Just for clarification, I am a private citizen and I do not make my living in the public eye.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Jul 24, 2012, at 6:35 PM

Have there been any charge's ever filed yet in the infant death on Blackwater River? If not any reason why???

-- Posted by Marshall Man on Tue, Jul 24, 2012, at 2:37 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Charges of tampering with a motor vehicle have been filed. As of yesterday, investigators were unable to interview the mother, who was still hospitalized. We'll check with Sheriff George and see if anything has changed in that regard.

Will there be Fair pictures of the Sale from Friday night?

-- Posted by buzymomof1 on Tue, Jul 24, 2012, at 12:53 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Yes. Still working on them.

Smokin' & OKR - yes I have no idea...it's top notch facilities are one to be proud of for sure. I was mostly just curious if anything was known...so just had to ask. Figured I could thrown in "about time"...

-- Posted by Scarpetta on Mon, Jul 23, 2012, at 7:26 PM

Bed bugs, roaches, rats, or mice,

or the results of some sort of vice?

Til we know we should try to stay nice. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Jul 23, 2012, at 5:12 PM

Somkin' - yes it sure is. Noticed the Closed signs, also noted it said "till further notice by DOH".

-- Posted by Scarpetta on Mon, Jul 23, 2012, at 4:04 PM

Any idea why Budget Inn is closed by DOH??

-- Posted by Scarpetta on Mon, Jul 23, 2012, at 2:46 PM

I had the chance to go visit a good friend in Brunswick, I was so surprised to see what a nice,clean,well kept little town it was. It was obvious that they took pride in their small little town. I didnt see any homes with cars parked in the front yard, no sofas on the front porches, and I did not see one garden planted in the front yard. Come on Marshall lets step up to the plate and clean up our little town!

-- Posted by tommob on Mon, Jul 23, 2012, at 10:52 AM

Just have to praise the Marshall Democrat News for all the coverage on the Saline County Fair. AWESOME work! I loved seeing each event including pictures and a nice article to go along with, on line so soon!! Great Job!

-- Posted by mizufan12 on Mon, Jul 23, 2012, at 10:27 AM

Yes News it is all a disgusting horror.

The statute, covered up in blue, a portion of Paterno's head peeking out, was just taken down in the dead of night. and hidden away at an undisclosed location.

There was nothing else that they could do, except perhaps destroy the statute. No matter what action they take in this case, it will all be a mocking parallel of the abominable acts, and omissions. In this case expunge, and conceal, blend to be inseparable in meaning.


-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Jul 22, 2012, at 12:19 PM

Oklahoma Reader,

I have found it a difficult story to read about. Every time I start to read about the whole disgusting story it makes me want to up-chuck -- seriously.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Jul 20, 2012, at 9:07 PM

Well it looks like Penn State may be removing the statute of Joe Paterno from campus. In the established tradition of their august athletic department, they do have to think about it a while longer, then they will likely put it in the closet.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Jul 20, 2012, at 5:13 PM

G66: "So zeke what alternative lifestyles would that be?"

LOL G66 what are you an inquiring mind wanting to know? It could be one of many lifestyles, they are all an alternative to somebody, i.e. any lifestyle not chosen by the person looking from the outside in is alternative.

Hey it could be born 'n' raised vs. retired move ins, or many other alternatives. If it will satisfy you more, just imagine all the ones that come into your own mind, let them parade across it. Feel free to tsk, tsk, if one that crosses your mind seems inappropriate to you. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Jul 20, 2012, at 2:56 PM

Gal - I guess by definition anything "alternative" would be anything different than your own - i.e belief system, etc.

If you're looking for a fight you won't find one here. I also like Arrow Rock - and I like to visit there when I get a chance. There's a lot of history there that makes it interetsing to say the least.

-- Posted by zeke on Fri, Jul 20, 2012, at 2:49 PM

It is a neat old town News, I try to drop by when I am back home. I didn't make it this spring, opting instead to visit Hermann, a little Rhineland in my mind, and the historical home of Free Thinkers in Missouri. Of course I sat outside a hill side vinyard, and thought freely for a while, more freely with every glass I quaffed. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Jul 20, 2012, at 2:34 PM

Well I absolutely love Arrow Rock. My Mom grew up there. In fact she used to attend the 1 room schoolhouse there. My wife and I always pay a visit to Arrow Rock whenever we come up that way. Its an interesting old town.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Jul 20, 2012, at 2:01 PM

So zeke what alternative lifestyles would that be?

-- Posted by Gal66 on Fri, Jul 20, 2012, at 1:59 PM

OKR - the same thing happended to Santa Fe, Taos, Telluride, and so on. I would have loved to have been in Aspen "back in the day" when the music scene there was unique and intimate. And I too have friends of alternative persuasion. Like you and I (sometimes) we agree to disagree.

-- Posted by zeke on Fri, Jul 20, 2012, at 12:57 PM

Zeke I was speaking of the Fire Department debacle, but you are right there are cultural divisions as well. Not that it matters to me, some of my friends are culturally different.

All I can say to the old timers is get used to it, and be grateful that you had forty years more of old style than a lot of other quaint villages. Aspen comes to my mind; I was there in 1970, went back in 74, and didn't recognize it. I never went back again.

At least the hamlet hasn't devolved to the point where each side of the main street is lined with vendors pushing a lot of pseudo-historical, made in China junk, of the type that clutters the "gift room" of Cracker Barrel restaurants all across our nation. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Jul 20, 2012, at 11:41 AM

It has become a definite magnet for "alternative lifestyles" that's for sure.

-- Posted by zeke on Fri, Jul 20, 2012, at 10:43 AM

Arrow Rock is a quaint little village, though I don't think I would want to live there these days. It appears that if I walked down one side of the street half the town wouldn't speak to me. If I walked down the other side of the street the other half wouldn't. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Jul 20, 2012, at 12:29 AM

"Electric car concept drives progress with extended 500-mile range"


Its a very promising, practical, economical replacement for for the family fossil fuel burner.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Jul 19, 2012, at 8:22 PM

Whoever, knowing that an offense has been committed, receives, relieves, comforts or assists any offender in order to hinder or prevent his or her apprehension, trial or punishment, is called an accessory after the fact. An accessory after the fact is often not considered an accomplice but is treated as a separate offender. Punishment for an accessory after the fact is universally less than that for the principal offender.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Jul 19, 2012, at 6:40 PM

Penn State Campus of course. Sorry about the missing word. My only excuse is that I was distracted because that whole situation repulses me.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Jul 19, 2012, at 6:30 PM

I noticed on the news that the statute of Joe Paterno, on the Penn State is being guarded night, and day by students. I assume that those are Penn State students, and not little Happy Valley elementary school boys. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Jul 19, 2012, at 6:26 PM

Smart Dog & Smokin' Cheetah,

Well put, both of you.

-- Posted by Eric Crump on Thu, Jul 19, 2012, at 10:03 AM


I just wish to make a correction to your statement that "all of the preschools in town are church affiliated". There are at least three that I can think of that are not church affiliated. Granted, the amount of space is still limited, but there are other options available to those that are not interested in church affiliation.

Also, the Marshall Early Childhood Program is limited to children who are "at risk" or have special educational needs at this time so that they can have a chance to possibly catch up to their peers of average development.

To be honest, if parents are working with their children at home on the basics, letters, colors, shapes, numbers, position words, etc., the only need for preschool would be social interaction with peers. This interaction can also take place at the local library, church (if you are so inclined), etc.

Go here: http://dese.mo.gov/eel/el/PreK_Standards... if you need more information on the standards Missouri has set for Early Childhood.

-- Posted by mdp367 on Thu, Jul 19, 2012, at 9:25 AM

I think Eric is going to have to come up with more ground rules if the Speak Out blog is going to become the Speak Out Debate Society.

I have a comment for everyone who seeks to "win" on a dang internet blog.

There are no winners in an argument, just a couple of po'd folks trying to convince each other they are wrong.

In my opinion, stating facts and then defending them with evidence is the best way to enlighten another person. The goal should be to get the reader to at least think about a different perspective, not beat them into submission.

In the interest of clarity, let me say that I enjoy a good argument as much as the next guy, but I never expect to teach anyone anything during an argument. Except maybe patience, as they restrain themselves from choking me.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Thu, Jul 19, 2012, at 9:13 AM

Anyone else in Marshall have Windjammer and have cable/internet out?

-- Posted by koeller77 on Thu, Jul 19, 2012, at 8:50 AM

Are going to report Saline Co Fair result.Last year you posted what all the kids got on there projects and if the projects were going to the State fair...

-- Posted by Salesman1 on Thu, Jul 19, 2012, at 8:48 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
We will, yes, as soon as results are available.


Its sad for Saline County Farmers who are being hurt this coming harvest, and its sad for the consumers in Marshall when food prices go through the roof -- all due to one of the worst droughts on record. This severe drought is part of a pattern predicted by the Climate Change Model, and the Model predicts ever increasing severity in weather patterns with extreme consequences for Saline County farmers and Marshall consumers.

I don't know about you mate, but its hittin' a bit too close to home for me.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Jul 19, 2012, at 12:49 AM

Now here is a topic of local interest. Earlier this year there was some discussion surrounding the city's decision regarding how to, and who to rent city owned crop land. The city made their decision to rent to a certain individual on a share of production basis, spurning another offer of cash rent for the land use. My recall is that the reasons presented for their decision were that the farmer was known for expertise in extracting high yields, and that last year had been a great yield so they believed they would make more money from share renting this year.

The topic was raised again in the comment section of Rep. Cleaver's current blog comment regarding the horrible drought as follows:

"The City of Marshall made a huge mistake this year! Should have cash rented their property.

-- Posted by willie makit on Wed, Jul 18, 2012," at 1:54 PM

"You know Willie, I am inclined to agree with you.

The investment, and deposit of municipal funds is by law always placed in the traditionally more secure locations. That is of course to minimize possibilities of loss. The accepted penalty for doing so is minimal increase in return.

It would also behoove municipalities, whether compelled by law, or not, to treat income producing assets in the same prudent, conservative manner, and stay with the sure thing.

If you can't ante up deposits for a crap shoot, you shouldn't be able to throw assets in a crap game. Farmers will be the first to tell you that farming is a crap shoot.

Yeah Willie, they screwed up.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Jul 18, 2012, at 4:57 PM "

niuges, OMG, G/Fly, et al discuss. Whatcha think?

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Jul 19, 2012, at 12:13 AM

News take satisfaction from your victory. You don't have to pummel your opponent into the ground. Lighten up my friend, winter isn't being that hard on you is it? :)

I thought that Amperage had the weaker position from the get go, but did a nice job of presenting what arguments he had. You may recall that I was the first to jump in when he got off point.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Jul 18, 2012, at 11:48 PM

Such as what OKR?

His "we can't" approach to re-newale energy or his self-proclaimed right to decide for the rest of us what does and does not constitute an American?

Paleeeeze OKR, you know better than that. You know darn well he had no game mate. His "we can't" argument completely collapsed. The fact is we can do it!

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Jul 18, 2012, at 11:24 PM

OMG, niuges, and McFly when there is not a lively thread of discussion in progress this forum it absent new comment for days. I will look for you guys the next time nothing is being said.

Oh yes, one other thing. The quickest way to change the topic, and bring the blog back to local issues is to start a new topic that is interesting, and that will stimulate a response. That is proactive, carping is not. Give it a try. :)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Jul 18, 2012, at 11:24 PM

Wow that is a long time... are they all registered voters too? lol

-- Posted by niuges on Wed, Jul 18, 2012, at 11:20 PM

By the way Amperage, I find your posts interesting, and well written. Therefore I hope you continue to post.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Jul 18, 2012, at 11:13 PM

I was born and raised in Missouri too.

And my family has been in America for 14,000 to 15,000 years.

Now can we stop the nationalistic non-sense and get back to our discussion of re-newable energies?

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Jul 18, 2012, at 11:10 PM

My grandfather immigrated to the US from Canada.(and gee what a concept...he learned to read, write and speak english) I am proud of my french canadian heritage, but first and formost I am an AMERICAN born and raised in Missouri. Let's get back to the issues in Saline county in this forum PLEASE!!!!!!!

-- Posted by niuges on Wed, Jul 18, 2012, at 11:03 PM

GeorgeMcFly, you better come up with better reasoning than that if you want to debate the big dogs...successfully.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Jul 18, 2012, at 11:01 PM

OMG...ummm yes I would have to agree with you....good grief give us all a break!

-- Posted by niuges on Wed, Jul 18, 2012, at 10:31 PM

Is anyone but me sick of having to pick through 30 posts about Australia on here to find 1 post about LOCAL current events and issues? Maybe they don't have newspapers for people to post on IN AUSTRALIA, sigh... Let me also say, if you don't LIVE HERE, you shouldn't be able to VOTE HERE (except for active military). Locals get deleted while ex pats are allowed to take over the joint. No wonder all the newspapers are going out of business. And just so this post doesn't get deleted....Australia is great! Australia kicks butt! Australia is heaven! Let's all move to Australia where all the smart, beautiful people live! (Insert your diety of choice, or lack thereof here) bless Australia! Aussie Aussie Aussi, Australia!

-- Posted by OMG! on Wed, Jul 18, 2012, at 10:06 PM

Marshall Public Schools preschool is a Title One school. In order to attend, students must be below the 50th percentile. I believe they receive federal funding. My guess is that there isn't money for the district to include preschool. It would not only require funds for materials, but also staff and a facility. If a bond issue had passed in the last 20 years that enabled the district to build a new school, the facility issue would at least be addressed.

There are several preschools in Marshall. All are church affiliated. Granted there are not enough preschools for all, but, pardon my cynicism, I suspect what a lot of people are really looking for is all day and public. That way they don't have to pay for daycare. Although some may be concerned with testing, however some of the kids who will do poorly on tests, probably qualify for the Title 1 provided Early Childhood.

-- Posted by inthemiddle on Wed, Jul 18, 2012, at 5:18 PM


My wife and I own and maintain a residence in Independence. I vote in every Missouri/American election, and I pay not only Australian taxes on my income here but I also have to pay American taxes on that income.

America is irresponsible in many ways, and as a patriotic American, I join millions of other patriotic Americans who prefer our Nation stop doing evil things (like war mongering and torture) and start doing the right things, like leading the World in technological advances, leading the World in democracy by example, and leading the World to peace and prosperity.

As to your wife having to remind you of things...sounds like a personal problem to me.

The fact is mate, my wife and I will continue to post comments here whenever we choose to do so and there is not 1 thing you can do to stop us.

Get used to it!

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Jul 18, 2012, at 4:43 PM

Pidge thank you for the information. It's not my children tho being denied the opportunity. Marshall needs more options for their children. This philosophy discriminates and helps one set of children...and leaves the others behind. Yet the school system wonders why we do poorly on the state testing. It's sad really...

-- Posted by Scarpetta on Wed, Jul 18, 2012, at 4:35 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Just to clarify, the Title programs are paid for with federal money and come with federal rules.


My understanding is that Marshall preschool is a Title preschool. Which means that it funded to serve children that are at risk, and need some extra help to be able to start Kindergarten at the same level as other children. Some schools do have a public preschool but Marshall does not. Another option for your child, might be Head Start if you are low income.

-- Posted by Pidge on Wed, Jul 18, 2012, at 4:10 PM

I realize that the First Amendment applies to me also. Additionally I realize that I actually have residence here, pay my taxes, and exercise my right to vote. Maybe in this case I have been a bit jingoistic. In my defense I feel someone taking every opportunity possible to suggest America is somehow irresponsible in not taking action against global warming because we choose not adopt a carbon tax or make it affordable to throw a few solar panels on the roofs of our homes while Australia is more responsible because they practice these policies, seems to me to be a bit belligerent and hostile also. In hopes of avoiding also being labeled xenophobic I shall move on.

My wife doesn't waste much time defending me, it obviously would be a full time job. Be she does, on occasion kick me in the shin asking me what the heck I am thinking. Her words were "get over it". People are going to post on forums including MDN correctly, incorrectly, biased, unbiased and American or not. I share responsibility for over personalizing the issue and should have exercised more patience with the nonsensical comments posted here as most of you MDN readers have already demonstrated. You have also demonstrated the same patience with me.

Perhaps the most sensible thing do is not to boast about or be critical of the Aussie carbon tax but to step back and give it some time to see if it fails, proves to be ineffective, or even becomes successful. After all it hasn't been on the books a month. It still has the new car smell. I will yield for now and look forward to seeing what happens in the next few years.

-- Posted by Amperage on Wed, Jul 18, 2012, at 3:12 PM

If you're going to post a link to YouTube you might want to make sure it works because it wouldn't open on my smartphone.

-- Posted by niuges on Wed, Jul 18, 2012, at 2:37 PM

OH MMMMM GEEEEE get over yourself.....mate

-- Posted by wheresthelove on Wed, Jul 18, 2012, at 10:00 AM

Oh and Amperage,

Here is a video that I think illustrates my position.

Enjoy mate!


-- Posted by news across on Wed, Jul 18, 2012, at 5:11 AM

Amperage said,

"My position is quite simple Australian's should not use this forum to suggest that somehow Americans should adopt policies more similar to theirs."

I say,

1.) I am an American citizen -- so says my birth certificate, so says my passport, so says the U.S. Constitution, law, and Government.

2.) I am also an Australian citizen. So says the Australian Government, law, and Constitution, so says my Australian passport.

3.) I am also a member of the human race and am a resident of the Planet Earth.

All 3 of things have common characteristics not the least of which is the right to freely express my opinion. This forum is no exception as long as my comments meet with MDN Speak Out policies.

My wife, whose children are American citizens living in the USA -- one of whom is currently defending your right to speak freely by serving our Nation, the United States of America, aboard an American Aircraft Carrier in the Persian Gulf right now -- shares your and my Natural Right to speak freely, including in this forum.

So says English/American Common Law, so says the United States Constitution, Amendment 1, so says Article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and so says our cherished American tradition of supporting the free exchange of opinions and ideas.

If that does not please you then that is sad and unfortunate, but it will have no bearing what-so-ever upon our shared-privilege to post comments in this forum, nor on the content of said comments.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Jul 18, 2012, at 4:53 AM

Yup FE they were great cars. I never owned one, but I drove one a few times.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Jul 17, 2012, at 9:56 PM

Did someone say Hudson? They were top quality, innovative automobiles in the first half of the 20th Century. The company apparently didn't recover after WWII, outsold by the big three. They were also international with plants in England and Belgium, but the war ended that

Amazing that some Hudson NASCAR records from the 1950s still stand. Remember the wise Hudson in the Pixar animated movie "Cars"? He was the sympathetic, inspirational old timer. Best 50s or 60s car that's gone away, however, is the Studebaker Avanti.

-- Posted by former editor on Tue, Jul 17, 2012, at 9:48 PM

Marshall Man - I got a coffe there this morning...

-- Posted by Scarpetta on Tue, Jul 17, 2012, at 9:38 PM

Is the coffee shop on O'Dell still in operation ?

-- Posted by Marshall Man on Tue, Jul 17, 2012, at 5:52 PM

Mitt Romney,


-- Posted by news across on Tue, Jul 17, 2012, at 4:55 PM

George Romney is known as the stepfather of the Nash, and Hudson automobiles. That is the same company that a little later came up with the Gremlin, and the Pacer. The products he produced were a little weird for their time. He had a lot to be proud of as he was also the father of the Nash Rambler, oh yes, and Mitt. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Jul 17, 2012, at 4:18 PM

Of course McCain saw eleven years of Romney's tax returns. Does he know something that the rest of us do not?

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Jul 17, 2012, at 3:51 PM

John McCain says that Sarah Palin was a better candidate than Mitt Romney. Now that is setting the bar at a new low. Wow!


-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Jul 17, 2012, at 3:47 PM

meagain - the public schools has a Pre-School that a child has to fall below a certain level to attend. Let's say they are screened and the cut off is a score of 20...those with a score of 25 are too smart to attend the public pre-school. Those scoring lowest are offered the places...which are limited.

-- Posted by Scarpetta on Tue, Jul 17, 2012, at 2:03 PM

Well said, OR!

-- Posted by meagain on Tue, Jul 17, 2012, at 1:25 PM

Please explain more on the "to smart" to go to preschool, something doesn't sound right.

-- Posted by meagain on Tue, Jul 17, 2012, at 1:18 PM

Amperage you said "My position is quite simple Australians should not use this forum to suggest that somehow Americans should adopt policies more similar to theirs."

Don't you think that is a bit jingoistic? Would you also take offense at a French citizen speaking out against our multi-war fiasco? Why are you offended by someone who makes a comparison you don't agree with, and suggest that since they are a "furriner' they don't have a right to do so? Would you take equal offense if I, an old Okie, made an unfavorable to Missouri comparison with something in Oklahoma? How about If someone in Slater, did the same thing concerning Marshall? Just where do you draw your line in the sand?

Not saying that it applies to you, but the thought occurs to me:

Some people who choose to wave the flag

Would be better served if used as a gag.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Jul 17, 2012, at 1:16 PM

Amperage, let's look at it this way. Suppose you met and (eventually) married the most absolutely wonderful Saudi Arabian. You both now live in the US, but have met your spouse's family and many of their friends, and now correspond and converse regularly with them. You also read their local newspaper online and watch their other media online.

You have observed that there are misconceptions about the US and would like to express your opinion on topics of discussion in Saudi online forums to which you have access.

Is that any different from what Aussie Wife is doing?

-- Posted by TerryM on Tue, Jul 17, 2012, at 12:54 PM

My question...how many children of tax payers were told they can't go to public Pre-school because they were "too smart to meet the cut off"...

-- Posted by Scarpetta on Tue, Jul 17, 2012, at 12:17 PM

Aussie Wife,

So outraged and unsettled, but yet you are still here on a rural USA newspaper touting me as a Nationalist and issuing statements that my mentality is equal to that of a racist. Stating that I should adopt a worldwide view (whatever that is) to counteract or somehow fix my fallacies. I do see this tactic is not unfamiliar to you since you choose to use it so gracefully. I don't really find my position impossible to sustain. My position is quite simple Australian's should not use this forum to suggest that somehow Americans should adopt policies more similar to theirs.

-- Posted by Amperage on Tue, Jul 17, 2012, at 7:06 AM


former editor,

I misread your comment...its early, lol.

You correctly pointed out that Australia is NOT a 2 party system. There are 3 major parties and several small ones.

Anyway, yeah here in OZ we have capitalists who mine and sell our coal, and a whole lot more than just coal.

The owners of the country, the First Australians, have long demanded it stop. I agree with my indigenous brothers and sisters in that regard and I would also prefer all mining in North America also stop immediately.

But the capitalists continue their mining anyway.

As to pleasing everyone in Australia, well in a democracy folks do often disagree. Hopefully, throughout the struggle to keep the Planet fit for our survival, we will win at least a few battles...like the carbon tax.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Jul 16, 2012, at 4:45 PM

former editor

If Australia is a 2 party system (Labour and Liberal Parties), How do you explain our Senate being controlled by the Green Party?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Yeah it used to be a 2 party system, but not anymore...lol.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Jul 16, 2012, at 2:23 PM

former editor

Yeah maybe the PM was listening to the thousands who took to the streets demanding the carbon tax.

Anyway, my biggest concern is seeing my own country, the USA start leading the World again instead of being one of the stragglers. That dream, however, is as yet unfulfilled.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Jul 16, 2012, at 2:19 PM

Amperage -

We do have some things in common with Australia - such as politicians saying one thing and doing another. Prime Minister Julia Gillard said she wouldn't push a carbon tax but then formed an alliance did the opposite. (Australia is not a two-party system.) And not everybody in Australia is pleased by the carbon tax:


Australia keeps shipping coal to China, the country that leads the world in building coal fired power plants.

-- Posted by former editor on Mon, Jul 16, 2012, at 8:29 AM

Amperage, I find your statements not just factually incorrect but also misleading. At no stage have I attacked your country and I find those who resort to nationalism to defend their position quite disturbing. This inevitably leads to an us and them mentality closely related to racism and detracts from the main discussion. As you have been arguing your position with another American who happens to live in Australia and happens to be my husband, the use of incorrect facts (Australia is not socialist) and the implied outrage that I would dare to contribute to a rural country newspaper in the USA reveal an agenda which is quite unsettling. This is not unfamiliar to me as I find people who resort to this type of response mainly do it when their own position is impossible to sustain. Perhaps you should try to adopt more of a world view to counteract this.

-- Posted by aussie wife on Mon, Jul 16, 2012, at 1:44 AM

Uh,... Amperage,

I am 100% American.

Born in Missouri, raised in Marshall and Chicago.

Just settin' the record straight, mate.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Jul 16, 2012, at 1:02 AM

Aussie Wife,

The way I look at it there is no competition. It was stated on this forum by an Australian; "at least 1 of my 2 countries is making at least some kind of effort to address the issue of carbon emissions." "Perhaps you and like minded folks need to vote out those bad politicians and replace them with some good politicians and get those laws changed, lest you end up the only country in the World where people are slaves to Big oil and Big coal. Personally, I prefer freedom to slavery, but each to his or her own I guess. Anyway, that may explain why America is so far behind the rest of the World." I simply posted information to the contrary.

As an American I am going to take exception to comments like these. I would expect an Australian to take exception to me if I did the same on one of their rural country newspapers. If what you have works for you then that is great and I am happy for you. But because we don't follow in the footsteps of the Australian's socialistic agenda doesn't make us the root of all evil. Until Australia has proven to have resolved all their controversies and issues then I would think the logical approach would be for Australian's to focus their efforts on their own country instead of incorrectly criticizing ours.

We can continue on with this if you wish, I would rather not. But rest assured that I will continue a defense if Australian's continue to slight America on this forum.

-- Posted by Amperage on Sun, Jul 15, 2012, at 11:57 PM

You may like this link even more News. It is the complete 1881 History of Saline County, on line. I have read this history a couple of times. We once had a first edition in my family, as my Great Grand Pa had a short biography in it.


A heads up to you to Slater, as it has audio listening capacity at this site.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Jul 15, 2012, at 11:17 PM

Great link OKR!

I found some interesting stuff their. Its a bit of a treasure trove of info.

I cited one story I found there about one of Marshall's Civil War vets in the comment section of Eric's blog.

Have a look if ya get a chance mate.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Jul 15, 2012, at 10:58 PM

News Across you may enjoy this link: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mosali...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Jul 15, 2012, at 7:48 PM

If we have any Civil War buffs here, Eric has written a great piece in his blog section entitled,

"Marshall's Civil War battle"


Its a very detailed look at Marshall's part in the War Between the States.

I highly recommend giving it a read over, and heck it would be great if anyone has some old, locally related, Civil War stories they could share in the blog's comment section.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Jul 15, 2012, at 7:08 PM

In the interest of full disclosure:

The poster known as 'Smart Dog' is neither a dog, nor all that smart.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Sun, Jul 15, 2012, at 9:06 AM

Really OKR?

I didn't see it...darn!!

It sounds like I missed something interesting.

Well anyway, the commenting business is a tough racket.

Its no place for the sensitive. Its the thick skinned who make the grade...lol.

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Jul 14, 2012, at 8:05 PM

"Surfer presumed dead in shark attack off Western Australian coast"


Despite the fact that I live less than 10 miles from the South Pacific Ocean, I have never once swam or in any way attempted to actually enter the water.

There is a good reason for that.


-- Posted by news across on Sat, Jul 14, 2012, at 5:23 PM

I hate when it when fake Corbins try to sneak their comments in.


-- Posted by news across on Sat, Jul 14, 2012, at 4:54 PM

The comment from the fake Corbin has been deleted and the user banned.

-- Posted by Eric Crump on Sat, Jul 14, 2012, at 2:22 PM

The person posting under the username CorbinAllred is not really Corbin. I have informed Eric and the comments will be addressed shortly.

-- Posted by Amy Crump on Sat, Jul 14, 2012, at 2:11 PM

Amperage, when did this become a competition between Australia and the USA? All I am saying and I have said it a lot is that solar is the way to go for obvious reasons. It does not matter where it is in the world as Climate Change affects all of us. The point is that we must all try to get away from fossil fuels. It is time to refute factually incorrect assumptions about solar energy and make sure we all have access to it.

And by the way, the Australian government has implemented a 'carbon tax' precisely to reduce our reliance on coal here.

-- Posted by aussie wife on Fri, Jul 13, 2012, at 7:16 PM

Yes, what NanaDot said! RAIN, pouring down RAIN!!!

-- Posted by AnneD on Fri, Jul 13, 2012, at 3:18 PM

Yup News the Zoot Suit Era was so scary that it panicked boys, and young men into dressing just like their fathers for at least ten years.


-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Jul 13, 2012, at 12:04 AM

Well OKR, when it cools down a bit, I would recomend young folks consider bringing Zoot Suits back into style.

Now that was a fad with a touch of class!


-- Posted by news across on Thu, Jul 12, 2012, at 5:35 PM

If this heat wave continues we won't have to worry about exposed body parts. We will all be wearing burquas, and burnooses as they do in the middle east.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Jul 12, 2012, at 2:12 PM

I apologize on my last comment. My math is very flawed on the last paragraph. 1 to 1 payback would be a net of zero. I just can't get my head around how this is economically sustainable while maintaining/growing a national wide electrical grid. Sorry my mistake.

-- Posted by Amperage on Thu, Jul 12, 2012, at 1:41 PM

Mofireman, while i agree with sagging issue, i dont think laws should be imposed unless we are ready to start writing tickets for girls showing their butt crack everytime they bend over or for wearing shirts that are about three sizes to small and showing more of their breasts than what they are covering!!! I would much rathet see.boxers over body parts!!!!

-- Posted by BellyJeans on Thu, Jul 12, 2012, at 12:49 PM

Americans currently pay 12 U.S. cents per KWH for electricity, national average. Australians pay 25 U.S. cents. I suppose we could debate why this is, but it is what it is.

The U.S. isn't just sitting around doing nothing about renewable energy. As of last year our investments in renewable energy is up 57%. We are 2nd only to China in funding renewable energy and they beat us by only 1 billion dollars. You might note that manufacturers in the solar market are taking a hit from competition.


Currently 14.3% of our electricity is generated by renewable energy. The US has been a leader in the development and use of renewable energy. Heliostat power technology was developed in the US. The result is the SEGS solar thermal plant facility is the largest of its kind in the world. The US has the largest Geo Thermal energy producing complex in the world, The Geysers. The Copper Mountain Solar Facility is the largest PV array in the US. It is huge. US is 2nd to China in wind power generation, they just recently surpassed us in that technology. Wind is the fastest growing renewable energy technology in the US. Wind farms are popping up all over and farmers actually make huge cash leasing land for turbine placements. All these projects are subsidized by our Government.

In the fossil fuel category; Natural Gas fired plants for the first time in history is now equal to the number of Coal fired plants. Because of the much lower price of NG more plants are converting. Coal emissions are 90x the sulfur dioxide, 5x the nitrogen oxide, and 2x the CO2 as NG. This is a huge savings on the environment. We have Nuclear, no CO2 emissions, Australia doesn't do nuclear.

Here is a 6 month old article about Australia's success with roof top solar panels. It is interesting to see that the Australians affinity for buying from the Chinese is just as high as ours. It is about to put their only solar panel maker out of business. What happened in New South Wales?


What else is new, another government that can't agree on issues?


Australia has 10% generation from renewable energy. They have a plan to double that by 2020. Guess what? The United States wants the same. Australia generates 80% of their electricity with Coal. We are now at about 40%.

To be fair we should talk about perspective. Population of Australia; 22,668,402 the USA 311,591,917. I might go out on a limb and suggest that our current renewable energy electrical generation capabilities could possibly provide power for all the people in Australia alone. Additionally if you look at data concerning greenhouse gas emissions you will find that per capita, Australia's emissions per metric ton of CO2 gas are worse than ours.

We may not be getting paid "$2000" a year for our electricity, but that is alright. I would rather see those subsidies being used in developing and growing the technologies mentioned above and perhaps even inventing some new ones, creating jobs along the way. Remember they pay 25 cents, we pay 12. Getting a return at 1 to 1 for putting some electricity back on the grid basically means an Australian ends up paying what we do per KWH for electricity.

Hold your heads up America, we are doing alright.

-- Posted by Amperage on Thu, Jul 12, 2012, at 10:08 AM

While 'saggin' is an interesting phenomen, perhaps it is correlated to rising poverty and the inability to afford pants that fit, or a belt.

(That's a sarcastic remark, for those who don't get my subtle humor.)

So, how's that Reaganomic "Trickle-Down" from the "Job Creators" working for us?


Read the linked article and find out.

(This is not an attempt at humor, in fact I don't find this very funny at all.)

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Thu, Jul 12, 2012, at 7:56 AM

Interested Too is on target, it is finally a fading fad.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Jul 11, 2012, at 11:00 PM

Yeah, it could be those possibilities or perhaps there is a belt/suspenders shortage in Marshall. Of course a length of rope would do in a pinch.

Is the phenomena isolated to just Marshall or are folks all over the Country walking around with their pants around their knees?

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Jul 11, 2012, at 9:27 PM

Maybe they are apprentice plumbers, or training to be sack racers? ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Jul 11, 2012, at 9:11 PM

Well if they were trying to walk around with their pants down to their knees, as was alleged, they would not be walking for long. Gravity would see to that. Certainly it seems a fad such as that would soon be extinct.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Jul 11, 2012, at 9:02 PM

Marshall youth are way behind the times. Backward ball caps and low pants have been out of vogue for some time now.

-- Posted by Interested Too on Wed, Jul 11, 2012, at 8:52 PM


People are walking around Marshall with there pants pulled down? Isn't that kind of difficult to do? Are they tripping quite a bit?


-- Posted by news across on Wed, Jul 11, 2012, at 6:56 PM

Can anyone tell me if walking down the street with your pants pulled down to your knees is against the city law or state law? I cant believe that the people of marshall allows this? You know if a young lady would walk down the street with her pants pulled down she probably would be arrested for indecent exposure. If this is against the law why isn't it being enforced? I don't know about everyone

else but i don't want my kids to see this in public.

-- Posted by mofireman on Wed, Jul 11, 2012, at 6:50 PM

"China Sets New Record For Renewable Energy Storage"


"Power of cool: Liquid air to store clean energy"


"Energy Storage Projects Continue to Increase Worldwide"


"Ultracapacitors: The next big thing in energy storage?"


-- Posted by news across on Wed, Jul 11, 2012, at 6:25 PM


Sounds bad mate. Perhaps you and like minded folks need to vote out those bad politicians and replace them with some good politicians and get those laws changed, lest you end up the only country in the World where people are slaves to Big oil and Big coal.

Personally, I prefer freedom to slavery, but each to his or her own I guess.

Anyway, that may explain why America is so far behind the rest of the World.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Jul 11, 2012, at 4:52 PM

Regarding your comment, OMG.

This is America, where we value corporations over individuals, and we value business profits over what benefits individual citizens. A wide variety of business entities have much more political clout than at any time in our history.

I really wish someone would prove my statement wrong. Unfortunately that seems to be the theme of our country in the new century.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Wed, Jul 11, 2012, at 12:56 PM

Neither KCP&L or CMEC offer buy back programs for surplus green energy. This leaves you with the option of "donating" surplus and still having a bill at the end of the month for energy used at night, or buying a stand alone system for 3 times the cost of a grid tied system. So, until things change not many here at least will be buying in to solar, wind or hydro.

-- Posted by OMG! on Wed, Jul 11, 2012, at 8:42 AM


As advanced as the Aussies may be relative to the USA in terms of green energy production and increased energy efficiency, the fact is both countries are way, way behind the Asians.

They are light-years ahead of us all in green technology.

"Solar power puts China and Japan on top of the world"


"China leads the solar revolution"


"China Quadruples 2015 Solar Power Target!"


"China's green revolution to keep growing: IEA"


-- Posted by news across on Wed, Jul 11, 2012, at 4:40 AM

Amperage,you need to know the experience of people who have solar. We produce more electricity than we use and the electricity company pays us for the excess. Our bill states zero greenhouse emissions. Many people here realise that solar has a lot of benefits, in fact electricity demand has declined in Australia mainly because of government sponsored solar schemes. Even without these programs we have found that it has been more than worthwhile and the fact that we never have to worry about the cost of the air con or any appliances is the best of all. Here is a link showing the decline in demand


-- Posted by aussie wife on Wed, Jul 11, 2012, at 4:13 AM


I am paid 1 for 1 for my surplus. The program you refer to, which was paid by the State for a limited time, ended before my system was operating.

I would be more than happy just getting my electricity for free but being paid for the surplus is the frosting on the cake.

Surplus energy produced during the day can be stored in either chemical storage or kinetic storage systems, the latter being a much cheaper proposition, and then used to power the home at night.

As it is, I produce far more units (kilowatts) than I use. That is a fact.

Eventually I believe home energy will replace most, if not all, publicly produced energy in either hybrid or off-grid systems utilizing inexpensive kinetic storage systems.

As to my carbon foot print, the electricity company I do business with says my carbon footprint is zero. I will take their word for it.

And your sarcasm may have a place, but this discussion is not that place. I was not impressed.

So now, it looks to me like the only difference between us is that I am not being billed for electricity and I earn over $2000.00 a year on my surplus. You, however, continue to be billed for dirty energy and you have no surplus.

Gee, maybe you should get a solar power system of your own, eh mate?

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Jul 11, 2012, at 2:44 AM

News Across,

I am very familiar with the solar panel system concept and I very well know that they don't work efficiently or if all in the direct shade. I am also aware that they don't work in the moon light. I am mainly speaking out of sarcasm as I was when I wrote the comment about not being "green" enough to cut my shade trees down. Your comment was that you had a bunch of trees all over your yard. I don't really care if you think I am speaking for you or not. You seemed to indicate that you had plenty of shade and chose not to mention that your panels have a clear line of sight to the sun, insinuating that your panels work in shade. In fact they do not.

Your solar panels do not work efficiently 100 % of the time during the daylight hours, and of course they do not work at all in the night. To be practical you must remain on the electrical grid to supplement your needed energy on stormy days and throughout the night. It does not matter how much additional energy you supply to the grid with your solar panels at some point you require the power plants to (they burn fossil fuels) resupply you at night. They do not have a bunch of car batteries hooked together to store your additional energy until you call for it later.

In an earlier post you stated "I produce all my own electricity and sell my surplus green energy to my neighbors. I walk and I bicycle. My direct carbon footprint is zero." That statement is a fallacy. At night when you are blogging by the glow of your computer monitor your electricity is being generated by a fossil fuel power plant somewhere on the grid bellowing out CO2 gas. A "direct" carbon footprint by definition includes the use of fossil fuels in both domestic energy consumption and transportation both of which are "directly" in an individual's control. When your panels fail to produce enough energy to power your house you choose to use the grid. Just because you put a trickle, and I do mean trickle, of excess energy back on the grid does not mean you can state you have "no" direct carbon footprint. Sure you are saving the atmosphere a pinch of CO2 with your solar panel setup, but I imagine that savings is probably offset by the emissions from all that smoke you are trying to blow up our posteriors.

For those of you that do live in the United States know the Federal Government requires states to have some type of statute regarding people wishing to generate their own electricity. Missouri's Net Metering Statute allows you to produce electricity to power your home. It also allows for you to send your excess, if you have any, back to the grid. You will need a power generation system that will meet your power needs (wind or solar if you want to save on CO2, larger system if you want to put excess energy back on the grid), a meter with net metering technology and a safety system that will automatically disconnect you from the grid if there is a power outage. (this keeps linemen from getting killed by your electricity). This all has to be checked, tested and signed off by a certified engineer/inspector. Bottom line is if you manage to send excess energy to the grid they will pay you in credits at "avoided cost", not retail. Meaning they give you credit for what they saved in fuel to generate that amount of electricity. BTW they do not pay cash, only credits and the credits only roll over until the end of the billing year, and then you lose them. If you pay 12 cents per KWH, your "avoided cost" credit would be about 40% of that, less than 5 cents. This would never pan out financially. It might work in Australia where I understand some States pay 3x the retail price "in cash" for privately generated electricity but not here.

-- Posted by Amperage on Tue, Jul 10, 2012, at 9:51 PM

NanaDot, I am actually horrified by what you have told us about utility companies deliberately undermining solar energy. This is outrageous, not just for local residents but for all of us on this planet. Greenhouse emissions do not just stay in one country, we all share their impact. I think what is needed is for all of you to complain to your local government and state governments about this. And as far as the utility companies are concerned, let them know that in the near future they will be held accountable for their actions by the people of the world. Sending them bankrupt would be a start...

-- Posted by aussie wife on Tue, Jul 10, 2012, at 5:13 PM

"Scientists to directly link extreme weather to man-made climate change"


-- Posted by news across on Tue, Jul 10, 2012, at 3:52 PM

For those interested in installing their own electricity producing solar panels, Mother Earth News had a good article last year, especially functional for rural settings.


Producing one's own electricity or mechanical power in rural settings has a long tradition in the US, but was wind and water. Sometimes federal rules get in the way. The historical society in Silverton, CO has a FERC problem with a small generating plant using water diverted from a creek that they hoped to use to for power at a historical tour area. Non-polluting, no problems except bureaucratic red tape more appropriate to large corporate entities. For members of my family, Silverton is summer home away from home.


-- Posted by former editor on Tue, Jul 10, 2012, at 8:54 AM

red dog,

I think Mr. Spock was a big influence too, as most everyone out there seems to be a space cadet.

-- Posted by Interested Too on Tue, Jul 10, 2012, at 8:35 AM

Oh and Amperage,

One more thing.

I see you are confused by the system operation.

Here is how it works.

Your panels produce X number of kilowatts per quarter (or month, week, or day} which travels down through the invertor(s) and out the power-lines. At the end of the billing period your electric company subtracts what you used from what you produced {in most systems this is done automatically by a "Smart-system" meter}. If you produce more than you use, your statement will tell you what that is in credits. If you use more than you produce, the amount you produced is subtracted from what you used and you will be billed. I get 28 Australian cents for each surplus kilowatt I produce.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Jul 9, 2012, at 11:45 PM


I never said any of that mate.

And you don't speak for me.

As to tree and shrub maintenance, I would recommend a good tree surgeon to enable the offending tree to remain while leaving a clear patch of sky suitable for your system requirements. However if you do need to remove a tree completely, please be sure to plant another in a more convenient spot in order to keep the atmospheric carbon in balance.

I would also recommend a poly-crystal system over a mono-crystal. They perform well on cloudy days and they continue to function even if a part of the panel system is crossed by shade.

Really mate, its not real difficult. After all, its not rocket science.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Jul 9, 2012, at 11:03 PM

Dr. Benjamin Spock. Do any of you remember him and his books about child rearing? It has dawned on me this generation of politicians were raised by parents that very probably were influenced by the writings of Dr. Spock. Is the permissivness he espoused reflected in the generations following his first publication in 1946? His ideas were really widespread in the middle 60's. I wonder.

-- Posted by red dog on Mon, Jul 9, 2012, at 9:26 PM

News Across,

So new solar panels are so efficient 12 of them in total shade can power a house 24hrs with energy to spare? How well do these super duper panels work in moonlight? Would it be allowed to post the website to the brand of panels you have? You are right! At these prices and low light abilities everyone should consider installing them.

-- Posted by Amperage on Mon, Jul 9, 2012, at 9:26 PM

Some lessons just don't come with a 2nd chance.

"Lessons From Easter Island"


"End of Easter Island"


"The Fate of Easter Island"


-- Posted by news across on Mon, Jul 9, 2012, at 8:00 PM

The global warming debate has been raging for at least 20 years now.

From 1992 -


(Yep, it's a libertarian site, alright.)

And a little more history of the subject -


Is CO2 build-up in the atmosphere really an issue? Will it result in a significant change in the future?

I don't think we have the answer to that yet.

One thing is for sure, this is no time to stop studying the issue and trying to reach scientific consensus through research, data collection, and analysis.

However, now that this issue has become thoroughly politically charged, I have no faith that an objective answer will ever be found.

The answer will become whatever the big contributors to the politicians who can convince the majority of voters to vote for them wants it to be.

In other words, science, data gathering, analysis, logic, and reason will have little to do with the outcome, and that is the true shame of the "global warming" issue and it's effects.

And as long as a path to wealth runs through writing books disparaging whatever side of the debate turns out to be true, there will be no consensus.

Ain't life in the new century grand?

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Mon, Jul 9, 2012, at 4:50 PM

Luke's is back!! Good news!! I'll be in to eat some good food soon.

-- Posted by the view from the square on Mon, Jul 9, 2012, at 4:42 PM

Lukes resturant will be open on july 10th 2012. we want to say sorry to all our great customers for any inconvenients it may have caused.

-- Posted by stormy7334 on Mon, Jul 9, 2012, at 4:26 PM

Lukes resturant will be open on 7/10/21 at regular time.

-- Posted by stormy7334 on Mon, Jul 9, 2012, at 4:20 PM


I have a whole bunch of bid ol' Gum trees all over my lawn and 12 solar panels on my roof.

Really the only real differences between us is that you pay for electricity. I do not. you don't get paid $2000.00 a year for surplus electricity. I do.

Each to his own I guess, eh mate?

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Jul 9, 2012, at 4:12 PM

I have to admit that I have considered installing solar panels at my home. I thought it would be nice to hold hands, and sing Kumbaya with our Australian friends as we single handedly saved the planet. However, I failed to do so because I just found myself not "Green" enough to slaughter the 60 year old, CO2 breathing trees shading my roof and yard. I know, shame on me.

Don't forget Marshall does provide the citizens a location for recycling. The city also provides curbside pick-up for recycling paper which is then processed into pellets for burning in the power plant. This reduces the consumption of coal used to generate electricity.

-- Posted by Amperage on Mon, Jul 9, 2012, at 4:01 PM

Thank you for giving more information about the little child. I certainly hope the child did not suffer long. No matter how you look at it, this was tragic.

-- Posted by 1OFTHEGALS on Mon, Jul 9, 2012, at 3:28 PM

I don't know all the details of the tragic death of the little girl over the weekend. But was just wondering why it took so long for help to be asked for in searching for this child and her mother. If they were missing Thursday why did they not ask for additional help until middle of Saturday night?

I can't help but wonder if help would have been asked for sooner perhaps this tragic outcome could have been avoided.

-- Posted by 1OFTHEGALS on Mon, Jul 9, 2012, at 12:55 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
According to Sheriff George, the two were being sought, but the mother was known to move around the area frequently. It wasn't immediately certain they were lost. Law enforcement officials thought they might have gone to another town to stay. The child wasn't known to be in danger until the mother showed up without her, George said.

If humans have caused any increase in our planet's warming, then we all need to be aware that even cyclical warming and cooling trends can cause mass destruction and death, and that any further pressure could be calamitous. Instead of arguing whether or not we are "a" cause or "the" cause of global warming; it might be better to just try and decrease pollution and fossil fuel use on general principle. There is a fine line between destruction and annihilation, and we need to be prepared for the former. If the latter happens, there will be no recourse, obviously.

Let's listen to the experts and hope that humans have enough sense to prepare both through anticipating potential scenarios, and dealing with our present pollution and waste where feasible.

-- Posted by Interested Too on Mon, Jul 9, 2012, at 11:23 AM

Global warming is NOT caused by humans. It is compunded by humans, but not caused by them. When this whole global warming debate began about 10 years ago, scientists showed charts of the historic periods of global warming as proof. As the scientists pointed out, the current cycle of warming was within the range of time. It is environmentalists and politicians who claim human causation. Yes, we make it worse, but are not the sole cause.

-- Posted by inthemiddle on Mon, Jul 9, 2012, at 10:57 AM

On the missing baby story - start with a person who apparently had a potentially disorienting mental condition. Add last week's high temperatures with heat stress potentially contributing to disorientation. One surprise is that both mother and toddler didn't die. The county had one heat related death the week before related to someone walking a distance.

-- Posted by former editor on Mon, Jul 9, 2012, at 10:35 AM

Just wondering in the city of marshall is going to have a makeup night for fireworks, since it rained

-- Posted by mofireman on Mon, Jul 9, 2012, at 9:16 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
City officials report it's still possible there will be a fireworks display, but no date has been set and things will depend on a number of factors, including weather.

Oh and by the way, the 12 solar panel system I bought for $8000.00 is now selling for $5000,00 in Australia. They are becoming cheaper and cheaper making an already attractive option even more attractive.

I have not paid one penny to the electric company since they went up over a year ago. Now I receive a check for my surplus. It comes to just over $2000.00 a year. The savings in electricity comes to $2400.00 a year and that comes to a total of $4400.00 a year. These panels I bought will pay for themselves in less than 2 years from the day I bought them and they are warranted fully for 10 years.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Jul 8, 2012, at 11:03 PM


You think scientists don't agree.

In fact, 99.99% agree that the data shows the Earth is warming and that it is caused by human activity. 5 "scientists" who work directly for the oil companies disagree.

There is no controversy except on Fox News.

Regarding the passing on of the carbon tax.

I doubt that will happen. They are only allowed by law to pass on a fraction of it and working families are receiving government rebates to cover that small fraction. Your assumption that they will just pass on the cost is also not based in economic theory. Price elasticity of demand would prohibit any significant increase in price -- especially in light of the quickly decreasing demand already occurring and the option of substitutes such as solar power. Since price and demand have a direct relationship, decreasing demand means decreasing price. When you add in substitutes the combination means the cost of the tax cannot be passed to the consumer. He (the average Australian consumer, will simply reduce his demand or eliminate it entirely by purchasing solar panels.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Jul 8, 2012, at 10:29 PM

Look, ice cores do show climate is cyclic but I don't recall seeing data that those ice cores predict that the next ice age will occur in 3000 years. Actually scientist cannot agree if these ice cores confirm if we are in a post-glacial Holocene epoch or an interglacial period of the Pleistocene. If it is the latter we could very well be on the brink of major change right now.

Ice cores tell many stories and those stories change with the advancement of technology. Core samples analyzed previous to 2000 could only be done so with data points spanning over a 1000 years apart. Since that date high resolution ice core samples can be analyzed with data points inside of 300 years. The old technology lead scientists to conclude carbon dioxide caused global warming. They know now with the new technology that global temperature changes actually proceeded CO2 changes by an average of 800 years. Also, satellite and balloon data taken in the atmosphere above the tropical regions of the earth have shown that there is absolutely no greenhouse signature present. More and more leading scientists are now saying the IPCC model was wrong.

With that said, I am not an advocate for exclusively burning fossil fuels. I am sure we can think of many more reasons not to do so other than global warming. The Australian Tax solution to carbon emissions is interesting. If I read correctly it has just recently been voted into law so there really has not been much time to measure its true effectiveness. The law only targets the 500 biggest polluters hoping they will use their capital to invest in technology to reduce their carbon creation. What I find very interesting is the Government expected these companies to pass their higher tax burden back to the end users so the law also increased your income tax threshold to compensate. Economically that is a wash. Companies don't lose because they pass the loss in higher tax to the customer. The costumer doesn't lose because they get a tax break. The government doesn't lose because they collect those taxes back from the company. I see no incentive for the companies to work real hard to reduce emissions. Kudos though for passing a law that will make people feel better about being Green.

Maybe the world should be investing the time, money and resources they are spending to delay the enviable on how to survive the enviable when it gets here.

-- Posted by Amperage on Sun, Jul 8, 2012, at 9:08 PM

former editor

I think that the cause of Younger-Dryas is irrelevant to its impact on humans...lol.

And yes the Younger-Dryas was a 1000 year ice age that came on in 10 years. Whatever the trigger was (the generally accepted, peer-reviewed cause is actually attributed to tectonic plate shift closing the free flow of the Atlantic Ocean into the Pacific Ocean when it closed the gap with what is now Central America -- however, additional, information may indeed shed new light on the causation -- that is how science works), one thing is certain, whatever the triggering mechanism, the fact remains that it caused the Atlantic Convection to shut down -- and then the ice age was on! This is also one of the dangers of global warming -- the addition of large amounts of fresh water from melting ice caps will shut down the Atlantic Convection, triggering another ice age.

And that is when things get real, real difficult, real fast.

Addressing the rest of your comment,...

Well mate, I am 100% the same amount of American as you and millions of other Americans just like you and me. I was born and raised in America by parents born and raised in America by their parents born and raised in America and so, and so forth, and in fact on my Mom's side of the family we go back 14,000 years in America.

Unlike many other Americans, I have 2 countries of which I am a citizen. Both of my countries are big producers of coal, but I neither support nor contribute any direct control of said coal production. I produce all my own electricity and sell my surplus green energy to my neighbors. I walk and I bicycle. My direct carbon footprint is zero.

And there are a heck of a lot of other like-minded folks here in Australia. Here you see solar panels on every block and everywhere you go here. Yeah, its the People who lead the way here. Its the People who are making the difference here, more than anything else. In fact, even our electric companies are moving into the solar power business as direct coal-fire electrical energy demand is in significant decline. So at least 1 of my 2 countries is making at least some kind of effort to address the issue of carbon emissions.

Of course, we could discuss it all day, but the empirical data remains the same, and we will all suffer from the effects of climate change no matter how strongly some folks want to deny it -- and despite their denial of empirical evidence. You will see what I mean this coming Winter when you go grocery shopping.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Jul 8, 2012, at 7:02 PM

My prayers go out to the family of the toddler that was missing.

-- Posted by meagain on Sun, Jul 8, 2012, at 6:51 PM

The Younger-Dryas, a cold period, is increasing thought to be the result of an extraterrestrial impact. If so, the severe cooling was random, not cyclic like repeated ice ages. See June 11 Science Daily


If the whole atmosphere were equal to $100, the amount of CO2 is still less than 4 cents worth. China is becoming the world's leader in building new coal fired power plants. Australia exports huge amounts of coal to China. How does that fit with Australia's carbon agenda? More effective to lead a moratorium denying coal to China. How did my compliment to some Kansas farm boys for a clever music video turn into a lengthy discussion on climate politics?


-- Posted by former editor on Sun, Jul 8, 2012, at 5:29 PM

From the St. Louis Post Dispatch Re: Mother/toddler/Blackwater...50 minutes ago.


-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Jul 8, 2012, at 5:01 PM


Yes we have experienced climate change before. In fact the last one, the Younger-Dryas, wiped out most of our kind 14,000 years ago -- down to about 200,000 World-wide. We are the decedents of the few surviver.

It is also true that climate change is cyclical -- and we were not due for another round for at least 3000 more years -- at least that is what the data from ice-cores have indicated. Thus, the cycle's timing has changed and science has isolated the cause -- man-made carbon -- at least a 3% increase into the atmosphere each year (in 10 years that equals a 30% increase).

Climate change creates new weather patterns which are almost impossible to predict and tend to be particularly severe -- lush forests become deserts, deserts become forests. That is what kills us in climate change -- the change in weather patterns reduces our ability to produce food and to locate resources.

The data is clear and climate change is no longer a debate. That debate ended with that collected ice-core data and melting polar ice caps and glaciers. The drought which threatens to create food shortages in the coming Winter is but only one of many to come.

Folks can deny climate change all day long -- but that won't save them from its devastating effects.

Here in Australia we are doing something about it.

Recently Australia passed a tough anti-carbon tax that forces large corporate offenders to pay dearly for their carbon admissions, thus reducing carbon output. We are the first Country in the World to do so. However, I think we -- Mankind -- may have pushed climate change to the point of no return and our efforts may be ineffectual as a result, but at least we can say we tried.

One of the milder effects you get to experience this coming Winter in the form of reduced food supply and skyrocketing food prices and all the denial in the USA won't change that.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Jul 8, 2012, at 4:49 PM

Why did the public not hear about the baby missing until Saturday? I would think that a Amber Alert would of been announced earlier. I do not understand why with the weather so hot that it was not announced so more people could help in the search alot earlier.........

-- Posted by fresh air on Sun, Jul 8, 2012, at 1:28 PM

What we are experiencing here locally is weather. Climate is worldwide and measured over a period of time. Sure the planet's "climate" has averaged up in temperature and it only takes a few degrees to make a real difference. We as humans, have been recording weather and climate change for a very short period of time. If we had been recording climate change say for the past 600,000 years we would have seen many patterns of heating and cooling of the earth's climate as we have discovered evidence of in fossils, ice samples and rock deposits. It should be pointed out that this earth has experienced at least 5 ice ages. The most recent 22,000 to 12,000 years ago. It should also be pointed out that these swings in climate in the past, including the ice ages obviously could not have been caused by industrialization. It might also be noted that in the last ice age the average worldwide temperature was thought to be about 10 degrees cooler and the change was abrupt, about the period of a human life time.

What does this all mean? It means the climate is going to change anyway. We can argue that industrialization is helping it along, maybe, maybe not. But change is inevitable. If it comes as an ice age then it is going to suck living in North America. There is a bright side though. We have technology that earlier man didn't have. That electric blanket will feel very nice on a cool ice age night.

-- Posted by Amperage on Sun, Jul 8, 2012, at 12:12 PM

What I intended to present as a great music video on farming now at 4.7 million views


has been diverted into a global warming topic. Climate changes. Crops grew well in northern Europe during the Medieval warm period and Greenland was green. Meanwhile higher temperatures and drought in the North American southwest and west caused hardship on inhabitants culminating in the Anasazi collapse. Check out Chaco Canyon. Recent reports on southern hemisphere sediment samples show warming effects were not confined to one hemisphere. Climate changes that disadvantage one group/area advantage others. Northern Missouri and Illinois farms produce on a legacy of soils scraped from northern states and provinces and deposited by glacial ice.

-- Posted by former editor on Sun, Jul 8, 2012, at 10:43 AM

former editor

Also, global warming refers to "global" temperature. Local temps may very.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Jul 8, 2012, at 9:19 AM

News Across

Bringing up the global warming meme distracts from the fun in the going-viral farming music video with 4.5 million views in two weeks.


Australia is under a carbon tax with business prohibited from telling customers how the carbon tax adds to price. Here the hottest driest periods in remembered history were during the Great Depression 1930s. If you look up yearly average records for Missouri weather stations on the GISS site, you can see that the rural and small town stations confirm high 1930's temps. Heat island effect stations, which we have more of due to urban/suburban sprawl, give higher temps - and we've "grown" more pavement and buildings through time. Missouri archaeologists who study paleobotany as temperature proxies show ancient hot, dry periods in the state and US, but nobody asks them.

-- Posted by former editor on Sun, Jul 8, 2012, at 6:49 AM


-- Posted by TwillingB on Sun, Jul 8, 2012, at 12:07 AM

former editor

That's a fun video!

I just hope they feel like rappin' come harvest time -- but I doubt they will be dancing any jigs this season given the harsh conditions, a product of climate change.

"Drought hits 56 percent of continental US; 'significant toll' on crops"


Pretending there is no climate change, has consequences, and in this case it will mean a very poor harvest and sky-rocketing food prices.

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Jul 7, 2012, at 9:38 PM

As an admirer of Marcia Gorrell's columns, I wonder if others noticed the "I'm Farming and I Grow It" music video made by a college ag student in Kansas.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/06... or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48H7zOQrX...

Nearly 4 million youtube views in two weeks. It's great.

-- Posted by former editor on Sat, Jul 7, 2012, at 7:23 AM

Yeah one thing is for sure Jason, having socialized medicine sure beats the heck out of not having socialized medicine.

We have had socialized medicine in Oz since the mid '80's and we love it!

You folks ought to try it sometime.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Jul 6, 2012, at 5:26 PM

A belated Happy Birthday to Grace Hayes, who celebrated 100 years on June 23. I enjoyed reading Maggie Menderski's profile of Grace in the MD News on July 3. It was especially fun to read that someone besides this Ancient One remembers Slater in the 30s, 40s and through to 2012. Grace, you look so young--the Fountain of Youth must be piped into your water supply. Better start a MD News column on staying healthy.

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Fri, Jul 6, 2012, at 1:41 PM

Jason1969 said: "at treatment you want is not held in regard but has to go to a panel to determine what treatment is economically feasible"

You don't think they are doing that now?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, Jul 6, 2012, at 12:08 PM

Yes I have and my problem is that in order to implement this it is going to be increase burden on the states and the states will have to have some sort of tax to cover this. With this being said most American's do not like taxes so it will be hard for the states to implement a tax to cover the cost so the will wup with further economic problems. Now to my ethical problems when your wishes for what treatment you want is not held in regard but has to go to a panel to determine what treatment is economically feasible then I have an ethical problem. Plus this is a tax on middle class a promise that the President broke. Now I know most of you will say it is just a penalty but the view of the goverment and what they argued in the supreme court is that is a tax.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Fri, Jul 6, 2012, at 11:47 AM

Amy - the building LOOKS defunct for all intents and purposes and is right in the middle of one of the commercial parts of town which one can imagine does not make businesses want to come here.

-- Posted by Akura on Fri, Jul 6, 2012, at 11:39 AM


I have read most of the bill, and the way that it interacts with other bills makes the bill in its entirety hard to decipher. I just hope that neither party adopts a scorched earth policy and tries to entirely dismantle the health bill; OR accept it in its entirety, warts and all. They could work together (that's what they are paid to do, after all) and fix the parts that need fixing.

By the way; have YOU read the entire bill, or are you believing the opponents in blind trust?

-- Posted by Interested Too on Fri, Jul 6, 2012, at 8:14 AM

Only one problem with converting the old Walmart to a library -- somebody already uses the building as a business. It's not standing empty.

Amy Crump

-- Posted by Amy Crump on Fri, Jul 6, 2012, at 6:50 AM

Wow, they should do this with the old Wal-Mart Building in Marshall! What a neat idea! http://gawker.com/5923608/texas-town-con...

-- Posted by riclin1 on Fri, Jul 6, 2012, at 3:29 AM

For those of you who support President Obama's health care reform have you looked at the entire bill or are you going by blind trust?

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Fri, Jul 6, 2012, at 2:14 AM

Way-to-go Slater, MO!!!

Good to see a city government true to American traditions. It is wonderful that the pyrotechnic citizens of Marshall are invited to participate in your celebration of our country's Independence Day.

-- Posted by Amperage on Thu, Jul 5, 2012, at 8:48 PM

luvthoseowls.....when did this happen!?

"Why did Luke's Place close?"

-- Posted by luvthoseowls on Thu, Jul 5, 2012, at 2:27 PM

-- Posted by mizufan12 on Thu, Jul 5, 2012, at 2:50 PM

Gal66: I'm pretty sure there are already some limitations on how much corn you can plant (through government programs). And I am not certain of this because I'm not a hunter, but don't seasonal restrictions on hunting certain animals apply also to landowners?

-- Posted by Miss Marple on Thu, Jul 5, 2012, at 2:43 PM

Why did Luke's Place close?

-- Posted by luvthoseowls on Thu, Jul 5, 2012, at 2:27 PM

When is the Saline County Fair?

-- Posted by mizufan12 on Thu, Jul 5, 2012, at 1:35 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Saturday, July 14, through Sunday, July 22.

Watch for our preview of the fair, which will be included in the paper Tuesday, July 10.

Does anyone have any information on the family that lost their home to fire in Sweet Springs yesterday?

-- Posted by momaster on Thu, Jul 5, 2012, at 8:34 AM

It's a public safety issue. If somebody using poor judgment starts a fire right now, it could spread fast and damage property and people far beyond the starting point. I'm glad the county took steps to prevent that. I heard very few fireworks go off last night in my neighborhood, so I think most people are wisely heeding the warnings.

-- Posted by taxedpayer on Thu, Jul 5, 2012, at 7:36 AM

Folks it's not about the fireworks, it's about the fact that this can be done in the first place.

What would you all think if they put a limit on how much corn could be grown on your property or put a ban on ATV's or for you hunters that own your own property what if they put a ban on hunting?

-- Posted by Gal66 on Thu, Jul 5, 2012, at 6:57 AM

Was there any fires on the 4th? I didn't hear any sirens but, I sure did hear a lot of Booms. I understand why we postponed the firework displays but, honestly though seems like we were the only town that didn't shoot any off. Still made the best of my 4th with a BBQ lol.

-- Posted by nathanm89 on Thu, Jul 5, 2012, at 1:09 AM

Happy Birthday America!


-- Posted by news across on Wed, Jul 4, 2012, at 2:05 PM

There was a time when hearing the "Star Spangled Banner" while a big old flag waved in the breeze made the hairs on the back of my neck stand up, and I got cold chills. Sadly when I hear it now, though I still get cold chills, it is because of the egregious acts committed by Pseudo-Patriots who wrap themselves in the flag to cover their dastardly behavior, and the fact that most folks don't give a darn that they do; if they even recognize it.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Jul 4, 2012, at 1:14 PM

Oklahoma Reader you're comment on fireworks pretty much sums it up.......Slater politcians should look at this!!!

-- Posted by bakerman on Wed, Jul 4, 2012, at 1:10 PM

GAL66: This might be just what you're looking for - Missouri Fireworks Regulations:


-- Posted by Miss Marple on Tue, Jul 3, 2012, at 6:18 PM

For those folks who are more concerned about gratifying their own wishes than the public welfare there is one other point to consider.

This is a situation wherein one knows, or should know that in this circumstance fireworks are likely to start a fire. If one persists, and other's property is damaged, you could be held liable for the damage, leaving you with a bigger headache than a firecracker going off near your ear. Just sayin.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Jul 3, 2012, at 2:40 PM

Gal66- Just cuz you can, doesn't mean you should. Even without a ban on burning, would you really want to in this kind of drought?

-- Posted by luvthoseowls on Tue, Jul 3, 2012, at 2:22 PM

I couldn't find anything about it Gal but I didn't look very hard. Take a look.


-- Posted by CaptainPlanet on Tue, Jul 3, 2012, at 12:22 PM

"Saline County Commissioners ordered a ban on outdoor burning and on the use of fireworks in the unincorporated areas of Saline County."

So at anytime the County Commissioners can order me not to do something that is not against the law?

We moved out into the country so we could have a little control of our lives.

Somehow this just does not seem right to me.

-- Posted by Gal66 on Tue, Jul 3, 2012, at 11:53 AM

Jason tell me this. When are the states going to wake up, and say we can't afford these costly Obamawars anymore? Are you awake to that, or are you of the group that believes it is O. K. to spend any amount to kill, but become penurious when the money is to be spent saving lives. I'll wait for your answer.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Jul 3, 2012, at 10:50 AM

I would say that any state that implements Obamacare better start lobbying for a tax increase on to of the tax increase to middle class of America will receive if they don't purchase health care. And while the expansion of medicaid is at the beginning 100 percent paid for by the feds to the states. The Feds will slowly wean the states of this. In other words the feds don't want the states dependent on them for a federal program that was passed through Federal legislation.. I think it is perfectly logical for the states to be honest and say they can not afford Obama care.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Tue, Jul 3, 2012, at 9:58 AM


One would think your statement to be obvious.

However, have you spoken with any conservative voters lately?

They are quite sure that they deserve to carry a higher share of the tax burden, that they in no way benefit from any government services, that rich folks somehow have a 'birthright' to wealth (see why it's ok for Mitt Romney to get rich off of outsourcing and lay-offs), that all of America's problems are due to life being too easy for poor folks and immigrants, that it's poor folks fault they are poor, and that all democrats want to take away all guns.

If you can figure out a way to cure any of that, I think we can possibly get the GOP back to where it should be. Fiscal conservatism.

Then there is the democrats, who abandoned working folks in favor of fringe issues some time ago. I reckon the logic is that if the GOP moves to the right, we better move to the left.

They let the NRA/GOP alliance brand them with the "gun hater" lable. They have also allowed themselves to be branded as the political wing of the ACLU. Neither of which will win many working class votes these days.

Us middle class folks are left standing here trying to pick candidates in the middle of a fire fight over issues from both sides that most of us don't really support or give a hoot about.

A great example is the XL Pipeline. It's a pretty simple eminent domain case. Normally folks don't like the idea of government forcing private landowners to sell, or allow construction of things they don't want. Simple enough.

However in this case you have the supposed "small government with limited powers" party (GOP) supporting the government forcing private citizens to do something they don't want to do while the supposed "socialist" big powerful government democrats are the ones calling for individual rights to triumph over government powers.

How'd we get here? Mostly because the GOP now supports big business, not small government. XL means oil industry profits. Republican politicians support it because it means campaign money.

This leads to an ugly truth. So many people are spending so much money to distort, hide, or otherwise confuse facts and reality in order to win an election and "lead" us into the future.

Hard for me to be very optimistic with this being the political system as it now operates.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Tue, Jul 3, 2012, at 8:49 AM

Breaking news: The Big Bopper, Richie Valens, and Buddy Holly did not die in an Iowa plane crash. Patsy Cline didn't, either. And Elvis lives on. All of these talented singers are alive and well and living under assumed names in Kenya. Where's my proof? Oh, heavens to Betsy, I don't need no stinkin' proof! I just declare this to be the truth and all who do not believe me are just blind to the obvious.

The U.S. government, for reasons too dastardly to be discussed in this open forum, wanted these entertainers to cease and desist in their efforts to subvert the minds of our young and paid them to disappear.

The funds were supplied by the CIA, the FBI and several other alphabetically challenged agencies, some of which are hidden so deep in the government even Dick Cheney doesn't know about them. It was all Karl Rove's idea, obviously.

Don't believe me? Hah! I'm from Missouri - SHOW ME it ain't so.

-- Posted by Miss Marple on Tue, Jul 3, 2012, at 7:02 AM


I may be wrong about this, but that seems to be what the voters wanted...and they are getting exactly what they deserve.

Elections have consequences.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Jul 3, 2012, at 2:49 AM

For clarification of skepticism, see the following:


As Dr. Carl Sagan said,

"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."

George Bush made a" whole lotta" extraordinary claims regarding who attacked us on 9/11 which had about as much evidence to support it as did his conspiracy theory that the Iraqis had nuclear weapons. And none of it passes the bologna detection kit.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Jul 3, 2012, at 2:38 AM

So it looks like the Republican Missouri legislators are going to refuse the medicaid expansion. Despite the fact the federal government is covering all of the cost, and it's to help the working poor, our state is going to refuse money?

Anyone that's not a billionaire should NOT be voting Republican anytime soon.

-- Posted by Akura on Tue, Jul 3, 2012, at 2:36 AM


Not me mate.

I am a skeptic from Missouri...show me!

I don't buy into Bush's conspiracy theory that 19 mostly Saudi Arabians attacked us because its full of holes and lacks factual evidence to support it.

I also don't buy into any of the other conspiracy theories for the same reasons.

I will believe the correct story when they have one they can prove with absolute physical evidence and can prove it with absolute certainty.

Until then, I am not buying into any of it.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Jul 2, 2012, at 11:15 PM

And I'll bet they both think the Earth is flat and the moon landings were faked. Oh, brother.

-- Posted by cmasretire on Mon, Jul 2, 2012, at 10:09 PM

We really don't know much about the 9/11 attacks. There is the Official Bush conspiracy theory which is supported by few facts and is full of holes. There are other conspiracy theories as well which are supported by very few facts as well.

Did passengers really fight back? Who was behind the attacks? We will probably never know.

But the thing that I find most interesting about the attack is why did Dick Cheney order all American fighter aircraft to be grounded during the attack? Incompetence perhaps? To me it would seem that we would want our fighter aircraft in the air ready to shoot down the hijacked airliners before those airliners could be used as weapons.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Jul 2, 2012, at 5:02 PM

Hey, Planet - evidently you missed the stories about the people who DID stand up and risk "a little danger." Flight 93, remember? All aboard died...quite a bit more than "a little danger," wouldn't you say?

-- Posted by Miss Marple on Mon, Jul 2, 2012, at 4:09 PM

America's soft enough. We can't afford to baby/coddle our youth any further. Ask the families of WTC employees. If 2 or 3 people per airplane would have stood up and risked a little danger. Millions wouldn't be in harms way today.

-- Posted by CaptainPlanet on Mon, Jul 2, 2012, at 1:03 PM

The reason for helmets and pads was not due to brain trauma. It was due to deaths. At one point nearly 500 each year. There was serious talk in Congress about outlawing football. Teddy Roosevelt stepped in to negotiate a solution in order to save it. If nearly 500 died each yer today, we would be talking about outlawing it again. Look at all the stuff we outlaw or heavily regulate today because only a handful of people die (especially when it is kids).

-- Posted by inthemiddle on Mon, Jul 2, 2012, at 9:29 AM

Regarding that quote, chicken, look up "Dunning Kruger Effect."

A nicely quantified concept that somewhat explains why your quote rings true.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Mon, Jul 2, 2012, at 7:46 AM

Hey OKR, I know one thing, most folks in Marshall sure knew who my uncle was back in the late '30s.

Apparently, while earning his campfire building merit badge, he managed to burn up what he claimed was half of Indian Foothills Park. Needless-to-say, he never got his merit badge and in fact was immediately dismissed from the Boy Scouts and was permanently barred from ever again entering the park.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Jul 2, 2012, at 6:11 AM


Excellent quote mate!

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Jul 2, 2012, at 4:01 AM

The thought occurs to me that Marshall is one of those little towns where everyone knows who you are, and who you are not. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Jul 1, 2012, at 10:57 PM

Yeah like I said they are crazy.

They think we Americans are too soft when it comes to football.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Jul 1, 2012, at 6:58 PM

They are tough guys News Across. However I have wondered if the no helmet situation might not result in a lower rate of traumatic brain injuries, than the helmeted game. I think one is less likely to lead with the head if no helmet is covering it.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Jul 1, 2012, at 6:47 PM


You should see how these Aussies play football -- no protection worth mentioning.

Mate, these blokes are crazy!


-- Posted by news across on Sun, Jul 1, 2012, at 5:53 PM

We Liked it That Way

The heat wave plus the excitement over the hiring of the new football coach (good luck to him) got me to thinking about two a days, and how it used to be way back when (1952 my eigth grade year), and how the kids today might react if asked to play football as it was back then.

Back in my day we were not allowed any water at practice. After practice we were given a salt tablet, and cautioned to take it with only a sip of water. We liked it that way.

We spent practice time every day doing something called the duck walk. We squatted, and then put one foot out, then the other waddling around the field doing laps like a line of ducks. It was a real knee wrecker, but we liked it that way.

Of course we ran a lot of laps under the August sun, and there weren't any of those softy coaches observing to see if anyone might be having a problem, they were busy yelling go faster, or catch up to the fat kids always at the back of the line. There were no trainers. The only relieve was if a kid dropped, or bent over puking, or with dry heaves. At that point a coach would yell to him to go sit under a tree, and cool off. He would stagger over, and drop under the tree unattended. We liked it that way.

Our equipment that year was cast off varsity gear. The helmets I kid you not, were leather, no face protection, likely 1930s vintage, quite similar to those worn by Red Grange, "The Galloping Ghost" whom most of you have no idea who I am talking about. http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=phot... was a twelve year old eigth grader, maybe seventy five pounds, and recall running laps, holding my pants up with one hand, with the other out for balance as I stumbled along in my oversized shoes. We liked it that way.

The next year I was a thirteen year old freshman, maybe up to eighty five pounds, and the freshmen practiced with varsity. Most of us were relegated to defense as the first team offense practiced their plays. Much of the time we held blocking dummies. On reflection I wonder if we weren't as real dummies as the device. When a senior lineman came crashing into you the manufactured dummy did not give a lot of protection to the real dummy. Sometimes it was live action, no protective dummy, and we got our clocks cleaned over, and over. We liked it that way.

If you got knocked out they would come check you, and wait until you got to your feet. If not wobbly you went back to your position. If wobbly you were relegated to under the tree until you felt like you could go again. I remember playing in some games a year or two later wherein I took a lick, sitting a while and being kind of vague, about the second half in which I had just played. We liked it that way.

I suppose that the only good thing about it was that you didn't have to be a starter, or even play much, to be recognized as a tough kid, and carry a sort of macho badge of honor. We liked it that way. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Jul 1, 2012, at 3:12 PM

From the Sunday NYT: "Coverage won't be denied because of pre-exsisting conditions. Even knee-jerk conservatism?

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Jul 1, 2012, at 1:34 PM

We are not 'becoming sheeple,' we're already there.

How else do you explain folks who work for a paycheck racing off to the polls to unquestionably vote for candidates that have every intention of raising taxes on,and providing less benefits to, working class people while reducing the tax burden on, and providing more subsidies (welfare) to, "job creators" and wealthy folks who already pay a lesser share than the folks who work for them?

The politics of emotion, using issues like abortion, fear of gun control, and Christianity has ruined any chance we have to talk about what really needs to happen in the USA to move forward into the future.

We have been busy arguing about issues that have little bearing on future generations for about 20 years now, ever since the GOP decided to con the American people into believing they were the "Party of God" in order to win elections.

Who can blame them? It worked well for several bad monarchs throughout history who used "The Divine Right of Kings" as justification to do all manner of evil things.

I believe this statement is more true today than ever. "Politicians need religion far more than religion needs politics."

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Sun, Jul 1, 2012, at 11:11 AM


The caveman/ Neanderthal metaphor may no longer fit. Human brain volume has decreased more than 10% in the past 35,000 years. Perhaps in a challenging environment more raw brain power is needed. Less brainy humans may be similar to domestic animals evolving smaller brains than their wild counterparts. Perhaps we're becoming sheeple.

-- Posted by former editor on Sun, Jul 1, 2012, at 8:09 AM

Cover your eyes baby boomers and hard core rightist. Sure you would like to go back to the way things were in 'your time'. I'm sure cavemen and neanderthals wouldn't be comfortable in this day and age either. I'm about to drop two words on you that will make you spit prune juice all over Ben Matlock's pretty face on that old box T.V.



-- Posted by CaptainPlanet on Sat, Jun 30, 2012, at 9:27 PM

My fellow citizens, tonight we will all become time travelers as time stops for one second.

What will we do with the extra time? How 'bout we spend it arguing about politics/health care/tax policy.


-- Posted by Smart Dog on Sat, Jun 30, 2012, at 9:47 AM

Anyone who has a news tip, question or concern that might not be appropriate to post on a public forum can use this form to let us know:


-- Posted by Eric Crump on Fri, Jun 29, 2012, at 7:53 PM

;) But kinda humerous.....

-- Posted by luvthoseowls on Fri, Jun 29, 2012, at 4:01 PM


-- Posted by luvthoseowls on Fri, Jun 29, 2012, at 4:00 PM

It's so hot my neighbor's feedin' crushed ice to his chickens to keep 'em from layin' hard boiled eggs!

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Fri, Jun 29, 2012, at 3:59 PM

It's so hot and dry down here that I saw three ducks following a dog waiting for it to pee. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Jun 29, 2012, at 2:27 PM

Man, it's so hot and dry out my way I just say two trees fighting over a dog!

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Fri, Jun 29, 2012, at 10:14 AM

i heard about miami's city wide garage sale, and a parade? anyone know when these are?

-- Posted by marshall21 on Thu, Jun 28, 2012, at 9:04 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Here's some info: http://www.marshallnews.com/story/186512...

Rotflmao MissMarple.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Jun 28, 2012, at 4:23 PM

OKR: I know you will understand when I say, "Goodess, where is Third Child when you need him? He's just the one to tell us which country (or planet) is preparing to invade!" Cuz like, I'm shur that's what is goin' on.

-- Posted by Miss Marple on Thu, Jun 28, 2012, at 4:10 PM


I don't think they are a star or planet. The lights just showed up Monday. There is no light in the sky where this is until the sun starts to come over the horizon, so am pretty sure that the light is a reflection of sunlight on some object that is stationary in the sky. The light is in the same spot every day.

-- Posted by sheepdip on Thu, Jun 28, 2012, at 3:58 PM

They are probably Mars, and Venus Sheepdip. Look sharply you may be able to also see Mercury. I am not sure on that; perhaps some amateur astronomer can give you a more authoritative answer.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Jun 28, 2012, at 3:47 PM

Has anyone noticed the two bright lights in the Eastern sky early in the morning. They are not stars because the light doesn't appear until the sun starts to rise. I have noticed them the last week, one is lower in the sky and the other one is a lot higher and off to one side a bit. I watched this morning and they were not there at 3.50 am but as the sun started over the horizon they started to show up and by 4.30 they were really bright. They never move from day to day so must be something that is tethered to the groung.

-- Posted by sheepdip on Thu, Jun 28, 2012, at 2:48 PM

This little ryhme worked its way out of my old brain this last couple of minutes. It made me chuckle. I hope it does the same for some of you on this very hot day.

Opinions may be shabby, and of course are very cheap.

It's sad that most of us don't have an internal bleep.

So when you are compelled to necessary vents

try to remember it's not always worth two cents.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Jun 28, 2012, at 1:34 PM

The Onion is easily one of the most non-funny websites out there. Terrible attempts at humor.

-- Posted by Tigers/Owls4Life96 on Thu, Jun 28, 2012, at 12:32 PM

Just wondering- with the heat and dry conditions, will the fire dept. still allow fireworks? It seems awfully dangerous and unnecessary to me.

-- Posted by luvthoseowls on Thu, Jun 28, 2012, at 10:31 AM

You are right Jo. It may seem futile, but we gotta try, now.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Jun 27, 2012, at 8:42 PM

There is some interesting discussion ongoing at the MDN story "NAACP honors Tuskegee Airmen, speaker warns of efforts to limit voter rights" http://www.marshallnews.com/story/186383...

Just a heads up for those that are interested in voting rights, and related issues.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Jun 27, 2012, at 8:40 PM

Okla: you got that right! But we need to start now?

-- Posted by Jo on Wed, Jun 27, 2012, at 5:59 PM

A sad, but accurate projection ND. Our only hope is a massive revolt by youth. They have a way of not waxing nostalgic about the way it was, and instead react existentially with the full vigor that only they possess. If not our children, nor our grand children, then their children. They will be abetted by the absolute necessity for radical change. Perhaps they will not be too late to save something of civilization.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Jun 26, 2012, at 3:02 PM


The USA is way far behind almost all other industrialized nations in not only health-care access, bur yeah solar power.

Our government here in Oz has had quite a number of rebate programs for residential green technology for not only solar power but efficient water heaters and efficient climate control as well.

We ( my wife and me) utilized the government programs in all 3.

We have not paid 1 penny on an electric bill in over a year.

Now the electricity company sends us a check for our surplus.

It worked for us.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Jun 25, 2012, at 10:00 PM


Great link mate.

I had never been aware of that.


-- Posted by news across on Mon, Jun 25, 2012, at 8:29 PM

Lot of bickering here...but then Missourians have always been a contentious lot...we come by it honest. Check the link. ;) http://www.mandatory.com/2012/06/25/10-w...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Jun 25, 2012, at 7:29 PM


I must respectfully disagree with your assessment and claim regarding the bottle and the mysterious, suspicious contents of said bottle.

I am pretty sure that was the diet-coke bottle that mysteriously disappeared from the back of my pick-up as I was driving to the Airport to move to a free country.

However, I hear-by relinquish my rightful claim to the coke bottle in question.

You may keep the bottle and all its contents, while SD may keep the can-cooler.

I hope this will bring this matter to an equitable end.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Jun 25, 2012, at 5:50 PM

I find it irritating that ADT representatives are going door-to-door telling residents that they have been dispatched to Marshall because of all the recent break-ins. They tell you that they are going to give you all of the necessary equipment for free if you let them place a sign in front of your house, then they tell you that it costs to get it installed and that there is a monthly fee for monitoring. Now, I did not fall for this "scare" tactic, but I do wonder how many ADT signs will be popping up in town because of this type of sales tactic.

I also wondered if they had a city business license to be selling door-to-door. I don't know...between the cleaning guys with cans of Febreeze and the ADT salespeople, I think I am going to buy a "NO SOLICITING" sign to post on my door.

-- Posted by RedAngel on Mon, Jun 25, 2012, at 5:45 PM

Smart Dog, I really appreciate you leaving the Diet Coke I was really thirsty after a day of geocache hunting. I did smell it first. Everybody knows when in doubt you should first smell the substance before you consume it. The drink was a little on the warm side though. Perhaps in the future you could leave the cooler on the bottle and I will see that you get it after I am finished with the drink. Please make sure you surround the area with a few rolls of yellow caution tape so no one takes the bottle before I get there. Thanks again pal!

-- Posted by Amperage on Mon, Jun 25, 2012, at 12:42 PM

One stupid question about the Wal Mart caper. Was there no attempt to identify / detain / question the person or persons that the employee saw doing 'something' with the object that turned into a geocache? If that person could have been identified, couldn't they have been asked to go out and disassemble and display the unknown object? Wouldn't that have saved a bunch of time and money?

-- Posted by TerryM on Mon, Jun 25, 2012, at 12:38 PM

Well done Smart Dog you are good, but I also think you may have based that on a little more knowledge that just my comments about this subject :)

Man I want a coolie cup like that

-- Posted by Gal66 on Mon, Jun 25, 2012, at 12:03 PM


-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Jun 25, 2012, at 11:52 AM


You are difficult to categorize, but as a moderate independent middle class voter who likes guns, you are pretty much unrepresented in our current system. Also, most likely a believer, but not a regular church-goer. Close?

And by the way, some timely karma occurred Sunday morning and made me stand in the yard and laugh for a few minutes. Hopefully nobody saw me.

While out walking along my front yard, I saw a plastic bottle with something dark in it, and something dark wrapped around it, smack dab in the middle of the road.

At first I thought it was an unexploded 'works' bomb somebody had left behind, so being the redneck that I am, I walked up closer for a better look.

As it wasn't fizzing or all swelled up, I figured it was not about to blow. It appeared to be about half full of brown liquid and had a can cooler on the outside, so I kicked it over to the ditch.

Everybody knows you kick dangerous stuff before you pick it up. Something about evolution and being better off with one foot than one hand or something like that.

I contemplated calling the bomb squad, but that was a pretty nice looking can cooler around that bottle.

Since the kick resulted in pretty much nothing, I picked it up. It appeared to be a half-full Diet Coke in a real nice Bass Pro freezable can cooler.

Then I figured some geocacher was just leaving a little refreshment for a fellow player, so I removed the can cooler and left the bottle sitting by the side of the road in case somebody came by for it.

So, had I called the bomb squad they would have blown up the nice can cooler that is now in my possesion.

I reckon sometimes litter is just litter.

By the way, if you lost a half-full Diet Coke in a can-cooler out in the country somewhere Saturday night, call me.

And for those who think I should have poked it with a stick? I would have, but my pristeen lawn had none close by and it was too long of a walk to the brush pile to get one. So laziness obviously works into the equation here somehow also.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Mon, Jun 25, 2012, at 11:42 AM

I thought living in Marshall meant we are RURAL. If we wanted to be URBAN we would live in Kansas City. Obviously my concept must be, in some way flawed.

-- Posted by Amperage on Mon, Jun 25, 2012, at 11:04 AM

Ok smartdog I will bite you said

"From that perspective, I believe I could predict the religious beliefs or voting habits of commenter's on this event based on their reactions with a high degree of accuracy."

Predict away on me:)

-- Posted by Gal66 on Mon, Jun 25, 2012, at 9:04 AM

I checked my property well last night.

No geocaches anywhere, thank goodness!

-- Posted by Interested Too on Mon, Jun 25, 2012, at 9:00 AM

Sorry bakerman right now all we can talk about is the Wal Mart bomb scare. It is consuming our lives. Good indication of just how RURAL we are!


-- Posted by momaster on Mon, Jun 25, 2012, at 7:34 AM

For goodness sake. Some of you people are out of touch. International terrorism is not something we people in Marshall, Missouri worry about happening here. Far from it. Muslims? Geez. In this case the problem could have been related to a disgruntled Wal Mart employee. A disgruntled anybody for that matter. The local constabulary saw something not normally seen. The average John Q. Citizen would not have recognized what it was, or wasn't. You read the same as I no doubt that the bomb disposal people also found the object to be possibly dangerous. Appropriate action was taken. Some of you appear to take it personal that Wal Mart was shut down for a while. Are you concerned with Wal Mart's bottom line? How much money do you suppose they lost? Do you have stock in the company? Do you really think anyone intending to shop at the store went somewhere else? Or, did they come back later? You all get real.

-- Posted by red dog on Sun, Jun 24, 2012, at 6:20 PM


I think the problem is the warmongers have folks so frightened that folks are seeing Muslim bogymen hiding behind every tree.

There is no need for that at all...especially in Marshall.

Unlike my friends and family back home in Marshall, I actually live in a town that is about 95% Muslim. I know first hand what a beautiful religion Islam is and how kind and peaceful Muslims are.

I don't walk in fear. I don't believe anything warmongers tell me, and I don't freakout over non-issues like a geocache game.

Isn't it time commonsense replaces the fear the warmongers have woven into the American psyche?

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Jun 24, 2012, at 4:47 PM

Noticed a lot of billboards for county commissioner(s) some are going for re-elections.

like to hear from them on issues, can anyone say anything about them....

-- Posted by bakerman on Sun, Jun 24, 2012, at 2:05 PM


It takes roughly 38 lbs. of 90% enriched Uranium enclosed inside a box with sufficient strength (wall thickness) and surrounded with enough high explosive (C-4) to create critical mass in the Uranium to make a thermonuclear device.

Won't fit into a 3-1/2" x 1-1/4" plastic tube, that's for sure. Won't even fit in a suitcase, as you see on tv.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Sun, Jun 24, 2012, at 8:24 AM

Analysis of bomb scare; Should we be scared? MPD please reflect on this situation at Wal-Mart and make efforts to improve for the possible future. You had a 3" long by 1" dia or smaller tube "wrapped in electrical tape with a small metal tab on one end" that we all know this now as meaning a small tube with a wrapping of tape (not wrapped in) securing a small magnet (metal tab) typical of what has now been identified as a Geo-Cache container. This object concerned the police officer so much that he/she did not take note that the "object" had no fuse, no detonator, no wires, no timer, no receiver did I mention small container (meaning it could only possibly hold a small amount of explosive, being either low or high explosive) all tucked in behind a very sturdy guard rail and post facing away from the building. Now I understand that maybe the MPD realized, in this case, they had no training or expertise in assessing this explosive device or its possible degree of threat. In this case to "err on the side of caution" was absolutely the correct course of action. The worst case scenario should be considered. Perhaps the "suspicious-looking object" could have been one of those pesky thermal nuclear devices. That would certainly warrant blocking off US 65 and closing down the gas station and other surrounding buildings.

I do have a couple of questions/observations that as a concerned citizen, would like addressed so I can rest easy and remain confident in our law enforcement community. For instance; if the threat was so great why wasn't every fire engine and ambulance in a 3 county area called to the scene with their red lights flashing? Most people naturally know that bomb explosions result in fire and sparks. Sometimes there is even mayhem and human injury. So did the first responders not call the other first responders? Someone help me out so I may understand. Secondly, I understand "the suspicious subjects re-entered the store" and that prompted the evacuation of the building. What I don't understand is after there was a confirmed visible and threatening device in the parking lot and only a suspicion (meaning no confirmation) of a device/s possibly planted in the store that they would march everyone out of the store onto the parking lot. The bomb squad and the dogs weren't there yet. Did the police positively confirm that there were no other devices in the parking, say near the exit doors just waiting for the opportunity to have a few people lined up to make a bomb more effective? If not should I have confidence in the future to blindly be ordered out of a building on the demand of the MPD? Oh and why is there a MPD officer in the newspaper picture with what looks like his hands in his pockets, with no ballistic body armor or helmet on watching a bomb squad technician posturing to poke at a "possible bomb" with a 20ft fiberglass pole? Just wondering.

Please, some expert confirm to me if this is the normal procedure for this type of situation. I want to know if I can be confident that my kids will be safe with these same methods if this terrible thing happens at school. Would it be ok not to have a fleet of fire trucks and ambulances on site? Would the exit points and campus be covered with a fine tooth comb positively confirming there were no additional threats before they evacuated my children from the building? Would first responders stand around cooling their heels waiting 3 hours for the bomb squad to show up so they could casually watch them do their work?

I know a lot of you feel the MPD did a bang up job on this Walmart situation but personally my confidence is shaky. I hope someone can help me get it restored.

-- Posted by Amperage on Sun, Jun 24, 2012, at 2:37 AM

Yeah and you know those trips to the hospital are enough to put the average American into bankruptcy.

Only in America, eh SC?

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Jun 23, 2012, at 4:25 PM

Local ER?

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Sat, Jun 23, 2012, at 2:19 PM

I think this situation creates a teachable moment regarding another aspect of political science I learned long ago. It is a fine example of why the politics of fear are so effective, and why that method wooing voters works so well.

If a political entity can convince the masses that there is something to be afraid of (fundamentalist terrorists, in the situation currently unfolding today in our country), and convince those same masses that they are the only one that can protect them, and the opponent is woefully incapable of protecting them, then elections are won and fortunes are made.

To me, many of the comments reflect the manifestation of this tenant of political science in action.

Of course "better safe than sorry" are words to live by, but at what point does logic and common sense get supplanted by irrational fear.

Also one could go on quite a dissertation regarding the analytic personality type's reaction to these events as opposed to the intuitive personality type.

Analytics tend to base their beliefs on logic, analysis, and reason. Intuitives base beliefs on intuition, "gut instinct", and "rules of thumb."

From that perspective, I believe I could predict the religious beliefs or voting habits of commenter's on this event based on their reactions with a high degree of accuracy.

Politics seemingly had nothing to do with this event but this does provide a fine bit of insight into our modern political arena and the mind of the 21st century voter.

Thus concludes today's lesson in the nuances of political science. Keep in mind that we are all currently being manipulated by campaign staffs from both sides of the aisle made up of experts in this field.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Sat, Jun 23, 2012, at 9:15 AM

LOL Slater.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Jun 23, 2012, at 12:35 AM


I never said any of those things, and you do not speak for me.

The Unibomber did not attack the college or anyone in the college in Marshall. I doubt very much that he has ever heard of Marshall any more than Christian Nationalist, Eric Rudolph or Christian Nationalist, Timothy McVeigh. All those terrorist chose well known, large targets -- not some rural community with a mere 12,000 like Marshall -- and who's targets represented, in their minds, their political rival's valued and highly visible assets which were well suited to those terrorist's political motivations.

Why on Earth would a Christian Nationalist or other terrorist want to target Marshall? What's the motivation?

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Jun 23, 2012, at 12:14 AM

Yeah Koeller I guess you're right. I'm just going to start assuming every plane that flys over me is going to crash into my house.

-- Posted by CaptainPlanet on Sat, Jun 23, 2012, at 12:04 AM


Does Marshall have a college? With a physics dept? Because that's all it took for Ted K. To send those bombs thru the mail. As usual, you chose to take one part of my comment and make it your main point to make fun of.

Did Marshall not recently have 3 mailbox bombs as "pranks"? Would it not be reasonable to assume the possibility that this was another one of those? Tell you what...next time, they can call you or Cosa and when it blows of your hand, or blows off a child's hand when it turns out to NOT be a harmless geocache, it can be on you. We all know you think you live in utopia there down under and the rest of the world are heathens who don't know anything, but I think I'll take my cautious reality over your cavalier "you're overreacting and the Marshall Police are morons" reality any day.

-- Posted by koeller77 on Fri, Jun 22, 2012, at 11:51 PM

Personally, I think John Lennon had the right idea.


-- Posted by news across on Fri, Jun 22, 2012, at 9:47 PM


The Unibomber struck Marshall??

Wow! When?

As to your husbands advice, are the two of you working out the details of a local, future bombing?

Gee, Maybe Marshall does have something to worry about (lol).

Look mate, you may cross the street and get hit by a car tomorrow or you may not. There is no 100% guarantee in this life. Lots of things can happen. All we can do is to try and cross the street safely and hope for the best. The probability of a terrorist bombing in Marshall is slim to none. Relax, enjoy your life, be as happy as you can be for what ever time you have left, and try not to worry too much about things that are so remote a probability that for all intents and purposes the possibility of them occurring is next to zero.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Jun 22, 2012, at 9:18 PM

And quite frankly, my husband pointed out that placing a bomb's location on a geocaching site is a BRILLIANT way to insure that you hurt someone with your bomb, don't you think?

-- Posted by koeller77 on Fri, Jun 22, 2012, at 8:54 PM

How soon you all forget the mailbox bombings! And people like the Bishop Bomber and the Unabomber.

The police reacted in a proper manner, and I second the person who said that had it turned out to be a real bomb and they HADN'T taken those precautions, you all would have been on here screaming about their negligence and ignorance.

Terrorism doesn't always have rhyme or reason, logic or cause other than to cause terror. It can happen anytime, anyplace, regardless of town size and/or location.

-- Posted by koeller77 on Fri, Jun 22, 2012, at 8:50 PM

"Sense", not sence.

-- Posted by meagain on Fri, Jun 22, 2012, at 8:13 PM

My immediate thoughts did not go to a conspiracy, nor did I think terrorist. I thought it was probably kids playing a prank. However, having lived here through the 80s, and Marshall having the highest per capita ratio for murder. Since then a couple murdered and home set on fire, a nursing home robbed with a gun involved, you never can tell.

I hope that if there is ever a real bomb, time is not wasted consulting a geocashing website to see if it may or may not be a part of a game. Lives could be saved in those few minutes. That is what I call common sence.

-- Posted by meagain on Fri, Jun 22, 2012, at 8:09 PM

Here's how it is, gang:


-- Posted by Slater on Fri, Jun 22, 2012, at 6:35 PM


That "if" that is the foundation of your argument is a pretty big "if."

Granted Christianist terrorists have placed bombs in the USA, and they have killed quite a few people, but their targets have been highly populated places -- such as the Olympics in Atlanta and Oklahoma City. I am unaware of any that they have placed in small towns.

The likelihood that you will be struck by lightning several times is far greater than the probability that you will be killed by a bomb planted in full site at Walmart.

Again, a little common sense goes a long way sometimes.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Jun 22, 2012, at 5:56 PM

I am one that is pleased with the response by Walmart officials and all law enforcement involved. if this had been a real bomb and it had exploded, killing a few people, injuring others, I can only imagine how the comments would be different. Unless you have been in similar circumstances and can assure me you could positivitly identify a bomb with 100 percent confidence, then I disagree with your comments that it was overreaction, on anyone's part.

-- Posted by meagain on Fri, Jun 22, 2012, at 4:08 PM

When the civilization you live in becomes so 'soft' and passive that 2 men with inch long blades can take control of 60+. There isn't much you can do to protect them(and you shouldn't). This thing is out of control. IED's? for real red dog?

-- Posted by CaptainPlanet on Fri, Jun 22, 2012, at 8:46 AM

red dog,

Who wants to do that? And why do they want to do that?

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Jun 22, 2012, at 4:16 AM

Overreaction? I don't think so. What does an IED look like these days? Is there a standard that all bomb makers go by? Is Marshall exempt from any such happening?

-- Posted by red dog on Fri, Jun 22, 2012, at 3:19 AM

Well, Marshall isn't alone.

Check out this response to people potentially not wearing a seatbelt in Tennessee.

"Infowars Story on Illegal Tennessee Checkpoint Prompts Action by Governor"


-- Posted by news across on Thu, Jun 21, 2012, at 7:43 PM

They should have made the Sheriffs Department drive the new Hum-V over the bomb. Heck soldiers were doing it daily for years with far less pay.

-- Posted by CaptainPlanet on Thu, Jun 21, 2012, at 6:48 PM

Wal-Mart gets an F for internal communications. I cannot believe people are letting a company's negligence slide. That whole ordeal yesterday wasn't free.......Wal-Mart doesn't communicate internally and Saline County 'confers' with Geocachers to make sure this doesn't happen again? WRONG! The Geocachers told Wal-Mart so this wouldn't happen in the first place. Sheesh!

-- Posted by CaptainPlanet on Thu, Jun 21, 2012, at 6:46 PM


Yeah but somebody knew didn't they, in fact a number of people knew including the organizers of the game and the players who placed it there. Not to mention, all the game details were available on the sponsor's website.

So, Eric, it would appear quite a few folks had prior knowledge of the game and the placement of the game cache.

So, as I asked earlier, will the United States Army be conducting bomb search operations during next year's family Easter egg hunts in Marshall?

An overreaction is no less excessive just because its well executed.

Perhaps some common sense would have been a much better response.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Jun 21, 2012, at 5:46 PM


Yeah that's it mate, keep that fear level high and the voters will be complacent.

Who knows, maybe they will be willing to trade away a little bit more of their liberty away for a little bit more security and in the end have neither, eh mate?.

It was a game of Geocache.

The store manager gave prior consent to the placement of the GPS cache, knew exactly what it was, and was aware it was there in the store.

Instead of asking the manager if he knew about it, they called out the Army.

It was a way,way-over-reaction to a harmless game.

Whats next? Will the Army be conducting bomb searches during next Easter's Easter egg hunts in Marshall?

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Jun 21, 2012, at 5:18 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
The Walmart manager was contacted soon after the object was discovered. He was not aware of the geocache site. The manager who reportedly gave permission to use the site retired several years ago.

It wasn't a bomb.

-- Posted by CaptainPlanet on Thu, Jun 21, 2012, at 5:02 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Bomb disposal teams are trained to determine whether an object is or isn't a bomb.

So Marshall Police/Sheriffs Dept. lacked the ability to determine this wasn't a bomb?

-- Posted by CaptainPlanet on Thu, Jun 21, 2012, at 4:52 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
MPD does not have a bomb disposal unit.

Well, what's done is done, can't change it, so how about move on to a new subject, something else that doesn't suit you. My word you all can wear a person out reading all the negativity and how you can do things so much better. Well then, step up to that plate. Whatever happened to "better safe than sorry". I commend all of them for their efforts in keeping everyone safe. Just because it's "Marshall", doesn't necessarily mean nothing bad will EVER happen!

-- Posted by mizufan12 on Thu, Jun 21, 2012, at 4:43 PM

I agree CN...100%

Frankly, the response was pretty pathetic.

It reminds me of a simple line from a well-known childhood story,

"The sky is falling!! The sky is falling!!' said Chicken Little"

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Jun 21, 2012, at 4:11 PM

Geocaching? I thought someone finally had an economic stimulus plan that would work! (And it probably did for a few hours) Oh and remember THE POWER IS YOOOOOOOOOURS (echo effect)

-- Posted by CaptainPlanet on Thu, Jun 21, 2012, at 1:40 PM

Never heard of geocaching.

-- Posted by Tigers/Owls4Life96 on Thu, Jun 21, 2012, at 11:05 AM

Ok folks lets look at this geocaching like rational adults.

It was placed with the ok of the manager, yes he is no longer there but it was still oked just like it should have been it was placed 2/9/09.

The package was wraped in black tape except for the top it was about 3.5" long x 1.25" in dia the reason it was wraped in black tape was to attach a magnet.

When I found this exact one I had an employee of walmarts auto center see me and he came out and asked me what I was doing I explaned it to him

and showed him on my phone that it had been oked by Gary Goldhammer he said cool and went on his way.

There are 19 geocache's within 10 miles of Marshall some are in the park oked by Mr Stubblefield there is one within 1 block of the square.

All it would have taken was for who ever seen this to ask the people they saw what they was doing.

momandgramma your grandkids well except the youngest and son have gone geocaching with me in fact they have found all the ones within 30 miles of Marshall........:)

-- Posted by Gal66 on Thu, Jun 21, 2012, at 10:48 AM

Red Dog,

I agree with you 100% ....

I commend the direct actions that was taken by our law enforcement on this matter, public safety first call!

Remember people, "stupid" is not labeled on what others do / think and what or even what color of a object a homemade bomb would be placed.

Is sad way people can set back and critize this, make jokes when we all know if this had gone the other way you all be first in line for a law suit grow up people, times has changed is not good.

*Smile and pass one along*

-- Posted by momandgramma on Thu, Jun 21, 2012, at 10:03 AM

Some think this situation is funny. I applaud what was done. When it comes to public safety to err on the side of caution is commendable. The true intelligence of people is manifested by situations such as this.

-- Posted by red dog on Thu, Jun 21, 2012, at 5:17 AM


Have your husband and kids considered a career in store security enforcement?

They clearly are better at it than anyone at Walmart.


-- Posted by news across on Thu, Jun 21, 2012, at 12:47 AM

LMAO My husband and kids found that one months ago.

-- Posted by STLgirlMarshallMom on Thu, Jun 21, 2012, at 12:43 AM

You guys have me in stitches!...lol,lol,lol.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Jun 21, 2012, at 12:32 AM



-- Posted by news across on Wed, Jun 20, 2012, at 11:36 PM

Hey CN, any thoughts as to why the geocache terrorists targeted Marshall?

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Jun 20, 2012, at 11:28 PM

Yeah CN, either that or they can learn how to just ask the store manager about it...lol.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Jun 20, 2012, at 11:25 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Please note it was a Walmart employee who reported the suspicious object. The store has had several managers since the one who apparently authorized placement of the object. The current manage was consulted during the investigation, according to police.

Nice work CP.


-- Posted by news across on Wed, Jun 20, 2012, at 11:14 PM

What do you have against sweet potatoes mate?

At least they are real, unlike the false flag.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Jun 20, 2012, at 10:26 PM

Sounds to me like another false flag incident designed to frighten folks, albeit a local attempt.

"The sky is falling! The sky is falling!"

Chicken Little

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Jun 20, 2012, at 9:42 PM

Thank You Cosa Nostra

-- Posted by ambsun on Wed, Jun 20, 2012, at 9:17 PM

Eric any news or updates on what's going on at walmart ?

-- Posted by ambsun on Wed, Jun 20, 2012, at 8:58 PM

Cant we all just get along!!!

-- Posted by Almost Critical on Wed, Jun 20, 2012, at 8:36 PM

I would just like to give a shout-out to Dale Zank for his continued dedication as an umpire with the Marshall Parks and Recreation 8U softball league. His patience and dedication towards those little girls does not go unrecognized and is appreciated by many coaches and parents...including myself! Thank you Dale for all that you do for the youth in our community!

-- Posted by soccerma77 on Wed, Jun 20, 2012, at 4:48 PM

But that's my Point of View and I am done with that subject next subject anyone???

-- Posted by nathanm89 on Wed, Jun 20, 2012, at 4:42 PM

I also used to work at one of those production facilities and was never late, gave it my 100%, and was working toward my advancement. They let me go because I called in one time and showed up the next day with a doctors excuse told me if that if I wanted to keep my job I had to go talk to someone from the HR department which I showed up 25 minutes before the time they told me to be there. Just for her not to be in and, they had me talk to another person who is just in it for the money pretty much. He didn't even listen to me nor give it any thought just wasted time with me just to already make a decision to let me go said it's what the company and my supervisor found best. Talked to my supervisor since he is a good friend of mine and they never even asked him anything about me. Maybe it's different for you but, for the mast majority of the people it's the same. That's why one of the production companies here have multiple law suites for discrimination and unfair termination and the other one was under extensive investigation for hiring people without the proper identification.

-- Posted by nathanm89 on Wed, Jun 20, 2012, at 3:49 PM


I work at one of those production facilities, and from my point of view, you are wrong. People are not let go unless they fail to come to work, or are late too many times. I don't believe those are silly reasons to get rid of them. I wish they would get rid of some that simply show up, complain about being there and actually do as little as possible, but that and a couple of bucks will buy you a cup of coffee.

-- Posted by meagain on Wed, Jun 20, 2012, at 3:04 PM

ChickenPotpie: I agree with you one hundred percent the biggest majority of the jobs that Marshall has are jobs that you barely can support yourself on. The factory jobs in this town unless your either a minority or a women your not treated well and they let you go over the most crazy reasons. We have no jobs that actually can turn to a professional job with training and we do not have enough businesses that are willing to train anyone with little or no qualifications but, those are the people that probably would thrive and excel in the field. The military seems like the only option these days but seeing my views on how it's ran and why we go fight I will not join. America isn't what it used to be now days we fall back to our old ways just nothing but big bullies that have to have everything our way or close to the way we want it. Whether its changing a way a country lives, going over to steal oil, or just going over there just to make a statement.

-- Posted by nathanm89 on Wed, Jun 20, 2012, at 12:04 PM

Is it me or does it seem like no one hires in Marshall? I know a bunch of people between the ages of 16-28 that don't have a job at all and are doing what there supposed to be doing. Kinda seems like Marshall really isn't concerned about growing it's population much seeing how people have to look else where for work.

-- Posted by nathanm89 on Wed, Jun 20, 2012, at 4:58 AM

Jammer, thanks for the follow-up. It's surprising sometimes how much MIS-information you can find on the Internet. Since I have no one in that cemetery, I couldn't justify the long-distance call, so I simply passed on my findings with an implied it's-worth-what-you-paid-for-it.

That being said, I'm sure that the fine folks at the local funeral homes all have directories of who to contact for every local cemetery that is still accepting new residents. Here in St. Louis, they call those new residents 'voters'! But comments on that should be reserved to the political blog.

-- Posted by TerryM on Tue, Jun 19, 2012, at 3:56 PM

Since it has been brought up regarding Sunset Gardens. Is the owner of the cemetary responsible to sow grass seed on a newer grave? My husband was buried a year ago and there has still not been grass sown. I guess I will get some and sow. He also was to send me a deed to the plots I purchased and have not received that as yet. But I did think it looked fine for Memorial Day. And was by there today and it was mowed.

-- Posted by Pidge on Tue, Jun 19, 2012, at 3:54 PM

I checked with Audsley Monument and they have not owned the cemetery for about 3 years the guy said. It was sold to another guy with the same last name, but they're not related. The guy who owns it is now Josh Fuemeller from Glasgow. Audsley's was upset at how the cemetery looked too. What a shame.

-- Posted by jammer on Tue, Jun 19, 2012, at 10:40 AM

Eric thanks for checking on the pub.

My dad is buried at Ridge Park he has been there about a year and the only time the grass has not been mowed is when it has been to wet, I go by just about everyday.

Memorial Day weekend I thought the whole place looked nice and it sure seemed to me like the place was full of flowers.

-- Posted by Gal66 on Tue, Jun 19, 2012, at 10:36 AM

In response to criticisms and negative comments regarding the cemeteries in Marshall during Memorial Day weekend, I visited both Ridge Park and Sunset Memorial Gardens each at least twice during that weekend. I found both of those cemeteries well mowed, trimmed and well kept. The people who care for these and other cemeteries work hard taking care of the final resting places for our relatives and friends - they deserve THANK YOU instead of your criticism! I have visited cemeteries in other towns that are not nearly as tidy as these two cemeteries. If you can't appreciate the hard work and efforts of the people who care for a cemetery, why not volunteer to go help them!

-- Posted by farmer'sgranddaughter on Tue, Jun 19, 2012, at 10:10 AM

Eric any news on the Irish pub planned for Marshall's downtown?

-- Posted by Gal66 on Tue, Jun 19, 2012, at 8:19 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
I haven't heard anything about that in many months. We'll inquire.


Thanks for passing that along mate.

My Grandmother and Grandfather, as well as one of my aunts, are buried in Sunset, and after reading some of the comments here, I may just go ahead and give those folks in Glasgow a call.

Its hard for me to know what is going on with Sunset being on the other side of the World from where I am right now, but I thank goodness for the nice folks in Marshall who cared enough to bring this matter to this forum.

Again, thanks Terry for taking the time to research this and for posting the information in this forum.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Jun 18, 2012, at 4:30 PM

According to a little internet research I just did, Sunset Hill Cemetery (a.k.a Sunset Memorial Gardens) has a phone number of 660-338-0335. When I do a reverse lookup of that number, it comes back to Audsley Monument Co. in Glasgow. If you have family buried in Sunset, you might want to call them and ask about the current condition of the cemetery.

-- Posted by TerryM on Mon, Jun 18, 2012, at 4:13 PM

Why would Eric want a thankless job like that?

No matter what you do; about 1/3 to 1/2 of the people are on the other side of the proposal. Before long, eveyone is upset with you.


Besides, it would be a huge pay cut.

-- Posted by Interested Too on Mon, Jun 18, 2012, at 4:00 PM

i agree eric would be a better mayor then the one we have NOW!!!!!!!!!!

-- Posted by bc65340 on Mon, Jun 18, 2012, at 3:46 PM

Hmmmm..."Mayor Eric Crump." It does have a nice ring to it.

What say you Eric?

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Jun 18, 2012, at 3:43 PM


Sunset Gardens has gone down hill like a snowball in hell-o....I have loved ones laid to rest as well,just breaks my heart see the awful way is not kept up.

Couple years ago I had post on here about the roads I could not even drive in place flowers for my mothers birthday and Eric had it fixed that day WTG! Eric!

I vote Eric for running and maintaining the needs of the people of Marshall, we know we can find Eric and depend on him get the job done

-- Posted by momandgramma on Mon, Jun 18, 2012, at 10:36 AM

I thought there were a lot of flowers. Guess its a matter of opinion.

-- Posted by momaster on Mon, Jun 18, 2012, at 8:34 AM

In general, all of the cemeteries in town looked run down over Memorial Day.

I was surprised at the lack of flowers and flags that weekend as well.

-- Posted by Interested Too on Mon, Jun 18, 2012, at 8:20 AM

Is the city responsible for the property north of Sunset Memorial Gardens? It looks terrible and needs to be maintained. I came in from out of town to decorate graves out there and was overwhelmed at how trashy that area north of the cemetery looked. Shame on whoever is responsible. By the looks of the cemetery, no one is taking care of it either. The roads are all rutted, no one there over the holiday to help with locating loved ones...wow. Terrible.

-- Posted by jammer on Sun, Jun 17, 2012, at 10:08 PM

Part of the peer-review process includes independent verification.

Its typically done on a double-blind basis.

The study or experiment is duplicated by an independent researcher.

The verifiers (peer-review often requires more than one verification) typically have no idea of who the original author of the study is and have no idea what his/her original results were, and the original author has no idea who is doing the verification. The original study or experiment is repeated exactly as the original and the repeats must show the same results as the author's, or the original author's study fails the peer-review process.

The verification process is a critical part of peer-review and helps ensure the integrity of the scientific method.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Jun 13, 2012, at 3:20 PM

Has anyone heard when the bank in Slater will switch hands with Fayette?

-- Posted by mizufan12 on Wed, Jun 13, 2012, at 2:03 PM


Not 1 of those links is a study showing 1/3 of peer-reviewed studies are in error, as you claimed -- not even 1.

I certainly was interested in the topic some of your links discussed, including discussion referring to an Op-Ed piece appearing in "Nature" where the author gives his opinion regarding possible sexual discrimination against women in the pre-research, grant application approvals, but that is an opinion -- not a peer-reviewed study -- and has nothing to do with the peer-review process.

In addition, I enjoyed reading about how frustrating the gruelingly tough process of peer-review can be...and rightly so. After all the entire process is designed to weed out any junk science or fraud, and to insure the integrity of the scientific method.

I certainly am looking forward to reading that study you cited though, you know, just as soon as you can find one.

However, none of your links are to accredited science journals, and all are opinion papers -- not peer-reviewed studies.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Jun 13, 2012, at 1:58 AM


Henry Rollins...excellent choice!!

Good on ya mate!

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Jun 12, 2012, at 12:35 AM


As Maggy Thatcher likes to say when annonomous, generalized, uncited claims are made,...

..."Name They!"

Let's see them.

Post the links to those studies and the accredited scientific journal in which they were published so I can verify your claim.

Name They...

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Jun 11, 2012, at 8:50 PM

While I agree with you newsacross, several recent studies showed that over the last dozen years, in as much as 1/3 of "peer reviewed" research the peer reviews were discovered to be biased in some way.

-- Posted by inthemiddle on Mon, Jun 11, 2012, at 6:49 PM

and, I got the same text from you and it states Field 1 "and" Slater are cancelled. Thanks!!

-- Posted by mizufan12 on Mon, Jun 11, 2012, at 4:55 PM

Thanks, but that is in Marshall only. Both fields in Slater are canceled, we don't call them by 1 or 2. Appreciate it though. Marshall will still play Field 2 and 3 from what I understand.

-- Posted by mizufan12 on Mon, Jun 11, 2012, at 4:54 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Thanks for clarifying.

All games in Slater have been canceled for tonight.

-- Posted by mizufan12 on Mon, Jun 11, 2012, at 3:06 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:

I got a text saying games on field 1 are cancelled but men's slow pitch is still on.

You're welcome!!

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sun, Jun 10, 2012, at 10:00 PM


Absolutely its based on peer-reviewed studies, empirical evidence, and other factual data.

As to any disagreement you may have with it, you will have to take it up with the doctors mate. Its they who are saying it.

Personally, I think they call them experts for a reason.

But I am quite certain you know far more about this than the Pediatricians do.

Thanks for straightening those experts out...lol.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Jun 10, 2012, at 2:54 PM

Is that peer reviewed news? I know I never got a spanking that I didn't deserve. I guess one of the deleterious side effects for me was respect for my parents and respect for people in authority(teachers, law enforcement, etc.). Is that bad?

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sun, Jun 10, 2012, at 8:09 AM

In regards to Corporal punishment, the American Academy of Pediatrics. Committee on Psychosocial Aspects of Child and Family Health. advises that

"Corporal punishment is of limited effectiveness and has potentially deleterious side effects. The American Academy of Pediatrics recommends that parents be encouraged and assisted in the development of methods other than spanking for managing undesired behavior."


-- Posted by news across on Sat, Jun 9, 2012, at 8:04 PM

I recall those times. I do recall getting a "paddled" myself. Abuse and discipline are not one in the same, however I personally feel a lack of discipline is why some people and/or children act the way they do...

-- Posted by Scarpetta on Sat, Jun 9, 2012, at 8:08 AM


I agree with you 100%

A rule of thumb I have always followed when it comes to any outdoor activity be it the Forrest, the park, or a fishing pond, "leave no trace." I always take my trash out with me and dispose of it properly, and I would bet you do too.

I wish everyone would do that, but you know how some folks are.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Jun 7, 2012, at 12:13 AM

Do you love to fish at the Hab center lakes? Me too, but I do not like the excessive amounts of trash left by my fellow anglers. Really? If you have the time to haul in all of your gear, and enjoy the beautiful area to fish, don't you have time to pick up your empty worm containers, soda bottles and trash? We are very lucky to have such a user-friendly fishing-hole right in town. Please respect it -- if you can bait a hook, you can toss your trash in a trash can.

-- Posted by pitbull on Wed, Jun 6, 2012, at 9:19 AM

Slater - we have high hopes that he'll be removed by other means in the next few months here...he's the subject of a criminal investigation that has already granted immunity to 14 of his direct associates, and had felony charges filed against 5 others.

It has been an ugly year up here - and I don't think it's over yet, unfortunately!

-- Posted by koeller77 on Wed, Jun 6, 2012, at 8:15 AM

Koeller, I see your beloved governor managed to hang onto his chair, but only by the skin of his teeth.

Maybe next time.

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, Jun 6, 2012, at 2:14 AM

Yep, I have been proven wrong. Jot it down on your calendars folks. It does happen once in a while :)

-- Posted by meagain on Tue, Jun 5, 2012, at 5:12 PM

Well! While we're on the subject of banks and banking philosophy, here's a nice little video caled Using the Bank, dated 1947. Have a look! :)


Incidentally, I had an account at the Farmers Savings bank up to the late 1960s. The staff there were nice people, and it had a friendly atmosphere.

-- Posted by Slater on Tue, Jun 5, 2012, at 4:27 PM

Make that 'B of A came to Marshall when Boatmens was taken over ...'. Didn't read before I clicked post!

-- Posted by TerryM on Tue, Jun 5, 2012, at 4:07 PM

B of A came to Marshall Boatmens Bank was taken over by Nationsbank in 1997. Then in 1998, Nationsbank took over Bank of America and changed its name from Nationsbank to Bank of America.

I don't know when Boatmens came to Marshall. It was already here in the new building when I arrived in 1986. At that time, there were at least three other financial institutions in Marshall - Wood & Huston, Community Bank, and Farm & Home Savings & Loan.

-- Posted by TerryM on Tue, Jun 5, 2012, at 4:05 PM

To meagin,

Wood and Huston has four branches in Marshall - square and drive in, Arrow Drive in and lobby, Morrow drive in and lobby, Walmart lobby only.

Bank of America has one Marshall Branch - Southeast corner Marshall square w/drive in.This is the location where Farmer's Savings Bank once stood That building was torn down in the early 1980's (1983 or 4) when Charter Bank purchased Farmers Savings Bank. A few years later it becane Boatmen's Bank. I am not sure exactly when BOA came to town but I am guessing in the late 1990's or early 2000's.

Community Bank has two - College and Miami corner (near) McDonalds and College and Odell Ave. Then there is Bank Mid West near Super 8 and Bank 21 near Mueskee Insurance.

-- Posted by farmer'sgranddaughter on Tue, Jun 5, 2012, at 3:19 PM

Bank of America is on the street that DQ is on, except east side of Odell Ave. Just behind a motel. Wood and Houston has four locations, One on the square, the drive thru just behind it, a drive thru off of Miami, and inside Wal-mart. Farmers Savings, I believe goes by another name now but is just off the square southeast corner. Community Bank has two locations Miami and College and Odell and College. Bank 21 is on the west side of 65 on College. As Forest Gump would say "that is all I have to say about that."

-- Posted by meagain on Tue, Jun 5, 2012, at 2:51 PM

As far as I know the BOA branch in Boonville is not closing.

-- Posted by BEATLEFAN on Tue, Jun 5, 2012, at 2:40 PM

I remember two banks in Marshall - Farmers Savings, and Wood & Huston. Did Bank of America acquire one of them?

-- Posted by Slater on Tue, Jun 5, 2012, at 1:46 PM

I was at the bank yesterday afternoon before I received the letter and the employees seemed in good spirits. I wonder if they even knew yet?

I feel bad for the folks that work there but as for Bank of America as a corporation I feel nothing but contempt. As they put these good local folks out of work I can't help but wonder how much $$$ they are dumping into politcal campaigns.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Tue, Jun 5, 2012, at 12:19 PM

Did anyone else get a letter from Bank of America stating they are closing the Marshall Branch in Sept. and we'll now have to do business in Columbia?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Tue, Jun 5, 2012, at 10:53 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
We've heard from several people who received the letter. A reader kindly brought a copy to the office a few minutes ago. As you note, it states the Marshall office will close Sept. 14 and local customers will have to use the bank in Columbia. We've got a reporter trying to get more information from the bank.

I completely agree char-broil. Best thing they could have done was just leave it as it was- no one would have ever known. A very upsetting ending.

-- Posted by mizufan12 on Mon, Jun 4, 2012, at 4:43 PM

Has anyone else noticed the size Marshall kids are lacking compared to other towns?? Maybe they are tired of getting hurt and choose to focus on other sports other than football. It's a shame people automatically assume that children aren't dedicated when actaully they would love to be out on the field! Maybe they are smart enough to know that they will have to have their bodies for the rest of their lives and aren't willing to have it broken in highschool!

-- Posted by kkmom on Mon, Jun 4, 2012, at 4:23 PM

I, for one, am very upset about the mistake on the junior contest. I think at the very least the announcer who made the mistake and the organizers owe the young ladies an apology. And perhaps some flowers to replace the ones they yanked out of the poor girl's hands. Mistakes happen, but I think some apologies should be made. It was very upsetting to the whole audience.

-- Posted by Char-broil on Mon, Jun 4, 2012, at 3:49 PM

born-n-raised. I thought the judges did fine, however I am not a big believer in having judges from the same community, but that's just my opinion. I also found the crowning/announcing of the Jr. Queen to be very unclassy. That is not the judges fault, and I understand mistakes happen. But how sad for the other candidates on stage.

-- Posted by mizufan12 on Mon, Jun 4, 2012, at 10:28 AM

I think the judges made the right decisions on the Senior and Junior Queens each of the winners were pretty, poised, and had many accomplishments to be proud of. The little princesses were all too cute for me to have been a judge or they all would have gone home in a tie. They were all precious!

-- Posted by meagain on Sun, Jun 3, 2012, at 8:27 PM

Out of curiosity, did this weekend turn out as so many predicted? I didn't see any comments indicating anyone had been wrong. Just wondering...

-- Posted by born-n-raised on Sun, Jun 3, 2012, at 7:04 PM

Ya most people haven't heard that the UTV that was pulling the kids around on Saturday well the wagon train cars tipped over and the kids got hurt.So my prayers go out to the kids the got hurt.Maybe it will or maybe it won't make the paper.

-- Posted by arojr on Sun, Jun 3, 2012, at 11:24 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:


-- Posted by momaster on Sun, Jun 3, 2012, at 7:36 AM

Prayers go out to all the kids involved with the rolling of the train cars behind the UTV that happened Saturday on the corner of Brunswick and Eastwood Street.

-- Posted by arojr on Sat, Jun 2, 2012, at 7:12 PM

I have searched for a story that was published this week on awards given by the Daughters of the American Revolution; to some students for a history paper they had written. Are some stories such as this one not available electronically?

-- Posted by meagain on Fri, Jun 1, 2012, at 6:42 PM

Osage Park lights have to be more important than a water fountain at the Liberty statue.

I hear that the park is asking people for donations for certain projects after passing that levy.

Maybe the board members should remember that a park is more than a golf course. Let's get those lights on!

-- Posted by Interested Too on Fri, Jun 1, 2012, at 5:31 PM


-- Posted by RuSerious2012 on Fri, Jun 1, 2012, at 3:18 PM

Somebody please tell me WHY the park will not turn on the lights on Osage Field. The kids have double headers scheduled,but they say the lights dont work! If the lights dont work isnt it the JOB of Park Director to see that it gets fixed? Huge FAIL Jeff!

-- Posted by willie makit on Fri, Jun 1, 2012, at 12:18 PM

Owls baseball road to a state title to kick off in a few hours!!!

Go get em boys!!!!

-- Posted by Tigers/Owls4Life96 on Fri, Jun 1, 2012, at 10:33 AM

Speaking of this weekend..... who are the judges for the contests?????

-- Posted by Jessa on Thu, May 31, 2012, at 1:29 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
We generally don't publish judges names in advance.

Everything about Marshall is a "name game" and Scarpetta, you are so right, this weekend will prove it yet again.

-- Posted by Jessa on Thu, May 31, 2012, at 1:10 PM

It is a name game...festivities this weekend will prove that again...

I will agree that if the kids aren't working, showing up or goofing off then yes they shouldn't play BUT that should apply to the "talent" as well...and it doesn't. My specific point was the younger kids...like the pee wee leagues. Yes talent should play but coaches need to coach all the kids not just the good ones. Every child deserves the chance, but they are over looked.

Maybe you guys are right that it's not about the name, guess its the inabilities of the coaches... (I'm not talking HS level either)

-- Posted by Scarpetta on Thu, May 31, 2012, at 11:56 AM

I don't believe that it's "all in your name". I've sat in those stands every Friday night for years and have seen many young men with the "wrong" last name turn into star players. And yes, they are the ones showing up for every practice, working their butts off in 90+ degree heat without so much as a complaint. They may not have the name, but they certainly have the heart.

-- Posted by luvthoseowls on Thu, May 31, 2012, at 10:51 AM

Maybe, just maybe, the kids that don't play as much are the same kids who are late to practice, don't show up for practices, cause disturbances st practice, goof off, don't put in the work, or aren't as talented as mommy and daddy think. The "name" argument is so old and outplayed, yet so easy to fall back on over and over. Talent plays, period. There is a lot of good talent that plays, who I would assure, don't feel as though they fall into the "name" category. It's absurd.

-- Posted by Tigers/Owls4Life96 on Wed, May 30, 2012, at 11:16 PM

Well put and with tact McFly & Scarpetta! Could not agree more.

-- Posted by Marshallgirl71 on Wed, May 30, 2012, at 10:27 PM

McFly- I couldn't agree more, however let me add this to your well put facts. I truly believe the "football" issue needs to be fixed at a younger level. Let me explain more...

The children trying to learn the game are discouraged and left on the side lines to watch the "names" play the game. Marshall always has and always will be a name game. If you don't agree...you likely have the right last name.

Not every child is a Joe Montana and every child should have the same opportunity, no matter their name. If the same kids always play, guess what you are missing out on that hidden talent that you have over looked since they were 6...it's no wonder we have no kids that want to play. I wouldn't either if I was never allowed to learn the game and play. It's not always about the "W". At this rate in 5 years or less Marshall won't have a football team...

-- Posted by Scarpetta on Wed, May 30, 2012, at 10:20 PM

Pep Rally for Final 4 bound MHS Baseball team on Wednesday, May 30 @ 7 p.m. at the MHS Baseball field. Go Owls!

-- Posted by Lilac on Tue, May 29, 2012, at 4:40 PM

Any details in baseball send off for state?

-- Posted by Tigers/Owls4Life96 on Tue, May 29, 2012, at 11:44 AM

Its true! Ask!

-- Posted by willie makit on Tue, May 29, 2012, at 7:55 AM

That bald eagle has been there for a while. I saw it soaring over 65 at the quarry about 2 months ago. Must have nested along the river. Maybe we will have a family soon!

-- Posted by momaster on Tue, May 29, 2012, at 7:46 AM

What speculation?

-- Posted by Tigers/Owls4Life96 on Mon, May 28, 2012, at 9:06 PM

Why was my comment deleted?

-- Posted by Tigers/Owls4Life96 on Mon, May 28, 2012, at 6:50 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
It appeared to include speculation about the employment status of a school district staff member.

Not me, but I just watched a video of some over around Clarksville.

-- Posted by Slater on Mon, May 28, 2012, at 5:43 PM

We spotted a bald eagle this morning about 10, north of the junction, south of UU. Anybody else get a look at him?

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Mon, May 28, 2012, at 2:39 PM

Follow Al Capone's advice: vote early and often.

-- Posted by Slater on Fri, May 25, 2012, at 8:04 PM


Here's the rub.

I didn't watch the eclipse, but I am very interested in "celestial shenanigans," so how do I answer?

This is somewhat typical of the available choices when a poll is posted. The available choices are either oxymorons, or dichotomies.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Fri, May 25, 2012, at 3:59 PM

I think that a new low in participaton at the poll question site may be established with the latest question of passing interest.

The previous low was 170 votes regarding Saline County urgent care need. That poll was on line from 2-26-12, through 3-4-12. The second lowest was in regard to debt ceiling negotiations, 214, and was on line from 7-24- 2011, through 8-3-2011.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, May 25, 2012, at 12:33 PM

Great job, Marshall Owls!! Good luck!!

-- Posted by opin on Fri, May 25, 2012, at 8:30 AM

Well, Westminister Christian Academy (the Owls semi-final opponent) has volunteer coaches who are also professonal MLB coaches for the Cardinals. Cool.

But we got Bubba, Kelly, and Dom.

You know what that means?

Bad news for Westminister Christian.


Show 'em how country kids play baseball.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Fri, May 25, 2012, at 7:48 AM

What a job by the Marshall Owls baseball team, and their coaching staff. Truly remarkable, hats off to them, all of them.

You boys are special, one of a kind. You promised us a trip to Springfield, and you didn't disappoint. Well done. This is easily one of the best groups of young men I have seen in quite some time. The teamwork, the brotherhood, the comrodery, it has really been a joy to watch. Even when the chips have been down, the leaders take over, and raise the spirit and gameplay of those around them. Thats a quality that every team needs. No panic, subtle confidence, a dash of cockiness, and a whole lot of swagger.

Marshall Owls 2012, Final 4. Has a nice ring to it huh?

Very proud men, all of you. No one can ever take what you guys have accomplished away from you. Stay hungry, be a little more greedy, and let's go win some hardware!!!

-- Posted by Tigers/Owls4Life96 on Fri, May 25, 2012, at 12:46 AM

Marshall wins again!

Owls - 5

Logan-Rogersville - 4

Zach Bishop Grand Slam to tie in the 5th.

Outstanding. GO OWLS! Final 4!

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Thu, May 24, 2012, at 7:47 PM

Marshall 5 Logan-Rogersville 4. Final Four!

-- Posted by mu-grad on Thu, May 24, 2012, at 7:18 PM

Springvinnie - THANK YOU! That's when we'll be in town, so I can't wait to hear the band! :-)

-- Posted by koeller77 on Thu, May 24, 2012, at 10:23 AM


The Municipal Band's annual ice cream social will be held on Thursday, August 2nd. The band's first concert of the season is Thursday, May 31st.

-- Posted by springvinnie on Thu, May 24, 2012, at 7:51 AM

Hey, Marshallites!

Does anyone know yet when the Municipal Band is playing the concert on the square with the ice cream social this summer? It was so much fun the last time we visited that we don't want to miss it again!

-- Posted by koeller77 on Wed, May 23, 2012, at 7:03 PM

Completely missed my point born-n-raised.

I never questioned his remorse, it's obvious there was none. I merely stated that even though action isn't showcased publicly, doesn't mean that the authorities involved didn't/aren't doing anything. People assume that since they don't see immediate repercussion, that nothing is/will be done.

Even more the shame are those that found it funny enough to make the shirts and helping with the mockery. Sometimes the kids being kids excuse only goes so far.

-- Posted by Tigers/Owls4Life96 on Wed, May 23, 2012, at 7:48 AM

Great job Owls and coaches!!! It was good to see so many in attendance to support this outstanding group of young men.

Tremendous senior leadership Mr. Skinny, way to step up. Tremendous effort from all of you, your fans couldn't be prouder. The trips not over, we'll see you in Rogersville.

Coaches, thank you, it's been a hell of a ride.

-- Posted by Tigers/Owls4Life96 on Wed, May 23, 2012, at 7:40 AM

On a more positive note:


Marshall - 8

Cuba - 2

Aaron Skinner pitches a 7-inning 2-hitter.

Owls hit well, agressive base running!

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Tue, May 22, 2012, at 7:49 PM

I must respectfully disagree Tigers/Owls. Had the people involved had any impact on the kid when the bombings took place, then maybe he wouldn't have made and worn a t-shirt boasting his participation. Clearly shoveling manure for a few community service hours wasn't effective enough punishment.

-- Posted by born-n-raised on Tue, May 22, 2012, at 3:05 PM

Just because the kid wasn't standing in front of a firing squad on Fox 4 for the world to see, doesnt mean that nothing was done due to his actions.

I realize the cool thing to go is to sit back, complain, point fingers, and assume, but give it time to run its course. I bet the people who have actual involvement in it will and have addressed it accordingly.

-- Posted by Tigers/Owls4Life96 on Tue, May 22, 2012, at 1:29 PM

well said momof3girls

-- Posted by Gal66 on Tue, May 22, 2012, at 10:31 AM

I agree with you totally born-n-raised! Wish parents took to parenting the way my mother and father did and the way that I am doing with my daughters now. I am not afraid to punish my girls for anything they do that they know is wrong! And the first thing to go is their time with friends! I tell my girls if they ever do anything that would be bad enough for authorities to get involved, they won't have to worry about the police, my punishment will much worse!

-- Posted by momof3girls on Tue, May 22, 2012, at 9:50 AM

may I ask why my comment was deleted?

-- Posted by OldOwlFan on Tue, May 22, 2012, at 9:45 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Relates to an alleged crime.

Born-n-raised, from what I understand, the faculty was aware of the student with that shirt and the student was immediately sent to change.

-- Posted by JClover on Tue, May 22, 2012, at 9:07 AM

Were school officials aware that the student was wearing the "bomb-squad" shirt? If so, the kid should have been sent home immediately. Also, this conduct should have been reported to the kid's juvenile officer. I'm with you RuSerious, where are the parents?! Making bombs and blowing up mailboxes goes way beyond "kids being kids". What the kid did was foolish, disrespectful and beyond dangerous. Also, the arrogance many of the youngsters involved displayed after getting caught was shameful. Wearing the shirt indicates there is no remorse for his actions. There is nothing funny or cool about it and it speaks volumes about this kid's character; but it also says a great deal about the parents.

-- Posted by born-n-raised on Mon, May 21, 2012, at 6:20 PM

Wow...buttons, that was a hard read!

-- Posted by willie makit on Mon, May 21, 2012, at 5:35 PM

So, how many new businesses have sprung up in Marshall and vicinity making good use of the jet accommodations at the airport?

-- Posted by Slater on Mon, May 21, 2012, at 4:43 PM

How sad, someone or several someones, had to go paint SENIOR 2012 on the track Sat, night, then school maint, had to go clean it off before anyone could sit up the stsge for graduation.

It's every year some sort of prank has to be pulled at end of school year. So sad, they do not have respect for others,

Heard some one sitting behind us Sun, in the stadium make the comment "where did that paint go?'

The ones that did it will be csught, and I hope procecuted, all that happens is a hand-slap, when is this destruction going to stop?? W hat prank will be pulled next year, hoprfully no one gets hurt,

-- Posted by buttons on Mon, May 21, 2012, at 4:40 PM

Just out of curiosity Pumpkin- If you "do NOT miss that town" why are you drawn to the local hometown newspaper?

-- Posted by luvthoseowls on Mon, May 21, 2012, at 4:36 PM

Ruserious, looks like things never change...it's all in who you are, always has been, always will be...I do NOT miss that town.

-- Posted by pumpkin08 on Mon, May 21, 2012, at 1:45 PM

It amazes me that one of the kids involved in the mailbox bombings wore a "bomb squad-days of 2012" handmade T-shirt to school today........with a mailbox painted on it! WHERE ARE HIS PARENTS?

Then the head adult female got outstanding citizen at school!! THIS IS WHY PRANKS AINT NO BIG DEAL! I'm just saying!!

-- Posted by RuSerious2012 on Mon, May 21, 2012, at 1:11 PM

Being a Cashier is hard work, any job dealing with the public is hard. Most people for the most part are idiot's. They have no manner's at all no respect for other's and lo-life's. The old saying the customer is alway's right is a bunch of b.s. A lot of them want something for nothin.

-- Posted by Marshall Man on Mon, May 21, 2012, at 8:21 AM

Will the Slater HS Graduation pictures from 05/13/12 be posted anytime soon?

-- Posted by prd123 on Mon, May 21, 2012, at 8:20 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Yes. My apologies for the delay.

I wouldn't want the job.

The same thing happens at this site a lot as well. People ask Eric to check into things at City Hall or at a place of business, when all they have to do is make a quick phone call. People do tend to rely too much on others for simple chores.

Having said that, I had to reread Ilivnhel's remarks a few times to figure out what they meant. For those of us who don't tweet and text much, please cut back on the shortcuts and we'll get your message easier!

-- Posted by Interested Too on Mon, May 21, 2012, at 8:15 AM

One thing is for sure, that cashiering sounds like hard work.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, May 21, 2012, at 2:24 AM

some people in this world lacking in basic manners n social skills, and class need to learn how to not be so rude when using retail services. dont throw ur money on the counter, dont come to the checkout n ask cashiers to go find u stuff.dont call and have them search for one thing cause u dont wanna get off ur lazy but n look urself.its so simple.those people dont need your crap. have a bit of class n act like ur a civilized member of sociaty.

-- Posted by ilivnhel on Sun, May 20, 2012, at 10:48 PM

I think its outrageous about the concern over tax credits for companies wanting to invest in this city. Especially when most of those concern use tax credit on their taxes to get a refund start paying taxes then people like me will listen to youl.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Sun, May 20, 2012, at 11:18 AM

It's been almost a week since Malta Bend's graduation that you covered, where's the story?

-- Posted by farmergirl on Fri, May 18, 2012, at 8:56 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
My apologies. I expect to have it done early next week.

Owls, district baseball champs!!!!

Couldn't be prouder men!!!!

Let's go on a trip!!!!

-- Posted by Tigers/Owls4Life96 on Thu, May 17, 2012, at 11:05 AM

Mr. Crump, haven't read any thing about Mr. Stone former Marshall citzen who was cold blooded killed this past Sunday in Raytown while walking his dog. Tragic killing of a good person. So sad.

-- Posted by Marshall Man on Thu, May 17, 2012, at 8:56 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
I didn't know Mr. Stone was formerly of Marshall until late yesterday. We'll have a story today.

"The Power of Nightmares"

British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) Documentary


Think you know something about the war on terrorism?

Think again...

Get the facts in this BBC documentary.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, May 17, 2012, at 4:07 AM

Well, red dog, unless you have proof to the contrary, I'm going to just jump in here and say that that the city council and the mayor ARE the elected representatives of the people in this town. Whether I (or you) particularly care for any of them or how city business is conducted is quite a different matter.

In order for the city to change how it does things, the people who put those people in office have to say they want change. Since few, if ANY, of the very, very few people who voted (or any who didn't) attend the city council meetings, it's very clear that "we, the people" either don't want change or don't care enough about the change we say we want to bestir ourselves from our comfortable couches and do something about it.

-- Posted by Miss Marple on Wed, May 16, 2012, at 4:53 PM

Random question...does anyone know if personal gardens in commercially zoned areas, in city limits, are allowed by city ordinance?

-- Posted by momandgramma on Wed, May 16, 2012, at 11:56 AM

OK, so my views about the Marshall City Council are slanted. There are obviously many facets to the situation I don't know about. That seems to be the general opinion of some that have responded to my remarks. I guess you could categorize me as one of the ill-informed. I have this old fashioned notion that government is supposed to be by the people, not for the people. My bad.

-- Posted by red dog on Wed, May 16, 2012, at 8:00 AM

red dog: You commented several days ago that the timing of city council meetings at 5:15 seems designed to discourage participation by local citizens.

I think you're dead wrong. Most people work until 5:00 around here, unless things have changed in the last 24 hours, so putting the meeting at that time does two things: 1) allows council members to attend meetings without leaving their own jobs early, and 2) allows the rest of us to get there after our jobs are done for the day, too.

The fact that there is generally no audience for meetings is testament only to the fact that most citizens don't bother to attend, even with hours that are more convenient for them.

-- Posted by Miss Marple on Wed, May 16, 2012, at 6:48 AM

Slater: http://www.marshallnews.com/story/184378...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, May 16, 2012, at 12:24 AM

I heard that the Mt. Carmel church building burned. Is that right?

-- Posted by Slater on Tue, May 15, 2012, at 11:06 PM

Thanks CPp I needed the reassurance.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, May 15, 2012, at 4:43 PM

Good job by Maggie on the unclothed man story; just the bare facts. The story was concise, and stripped to its essentials. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, May 15, 2012, at 10:24 AM

"Report: Resources being stripped faster than planet can renew them"


-- Posted by news across on Tue, May 15, 2012, at 3:12 AM

Lest we forget, it is all still unraveling in Afghanistan. We should bring our troops home now, instead of later. If we wait, we will repeat the sorrowful caravan of the defeated USSR leaving that country not so very long ago. That war was a large part of the end of the USSR. Will this war be a large part of the demise of the USA?


-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, May 13, 2012, at 7:24 PM

Glad he is doing well J69. I hope you guys get a break from your myriad of health problems.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, May 13, 2012, at 12:54 AM

Thanks Oklahoma been busy with my son who had his fingers operated on he is doing well. Complicated surgery bc they were sharing a bone.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Sat, May 12, 2012, at 10:54 PM

Weird that you didn't see it Jason.http://www.marshallnews.com/story/1847952.html

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, May 12, 2012, at 2:06 PM

I find it weird that the local paper has not reported on the Butterfield Youth worker who is charge with having sex with an underage boy.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Sat, May 12, 2012, at 12:43 PM

Cool video, Cheetah. That kid should be the game MVP.

Actually, to a baseball guy what you have there is a caught pop-up and two base running errors.

Still, I'll bet that kid got lots of high fives!

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Fri, May 11, 2012, at 12:11 PM

All for it CPp! It's about time gay people have to put up with the travails of marriage. I am sick, and tired of the privileges that they enjoy, but the rest of us are denied. Be careful what you wish for. Any homophobe in a bad marriage ought to be rejoicing. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, May 10, 2012, at 6:37 PM

That headline about the arrest almost sounded like the MPD was without clothing.

-- Posted by Interested Too on Thu, May 10, 2012, at 6:35 PM

Good one Slater. I think that that song expresses my mood, at least a moment, of every day.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, May 10, 2012, at 1:35 PM

This tune expresses my mood today:


-- Posted by Slater on Thu, May 10, 2012, at 12:49 PM

I read the story below, all I can say is wow!


-- Posted by meagain on Thu, May 10, 2012, at 10:54 AM

Red dog:

There is a place on the agendas where anyone from the audience can ask a question. I have used it myself. As far as I know, it is always on the agenda, and you need not submit anything to be heard.

-- Posted by Interested Too on Wed, May 9, 2012, at 5:25 PM

The more I think about it, it is time to dump the City Manager position. Were you aware there is now an Assistant City Manager? I wasn't until I saw his name and position in a newspaper article. Didn't Charles Tryban handle the position all by himself? Why don't we go to a full-time Mayor position, pay him/her good money and let him/her work instead of it being a basically ceremonial position? I know you are all aware that nobody has any authority unless the people give it to them. The City Manager answers only to the City Council, not the electorate. What do you think people? Dump the position and take control of City Government?

-- Posted by red dog on Wed, May 9, 2012, at 4:45 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
I can double-check, but I don't think there is an assistant city administrator. Slater's administrator uses that title, but I haven't heard Marshall hired one.

I have read comments referring to the "Good Old Boy" network in Marshall. I never knew how entrenched it was until the "cash rent" thing concerning City-owned farm ground.

It is my understanding the practice of renting the ground was questioned and the City Council member doing the questioning was told to back off. Is there any truth to this? If so, I hope the Councilman does not "back off". I want him representing me. The others don't appear to be.

That got me to thinking about the practice of holding Council meetings at 5:15 in the afternoon. It appears to me this time frame is to discourage participation by the electorate. I then remembered the Council meetings have no provision for new business from the audience. If you want to speak to the Council, you have to call ahead and get put on the agenda. By doing this, our elected representatives can get in and out of the meetings in thirty minutes or less because everything is pre-determined. A rubber stamp kind of thing.

Is this any way to run a City? I guess it is if the government is a "Good Old Boy" system. I am tired of it.

-- Posted by red dog on Wed, May 9, 2012, at 4:37 PM

Mother Teresa in a squeeker.

-- Posted by Interested Too on Tue, May 8, 2012, at 5:52 PM

Mother Theresa!

(Although I would have gone for Eleanor Roosevelt in her round, but I wasn't online that day...)

-- Posted by koeller77 on Tue, May 8, 2012, at 11:38 AM

Still gotta go with Mother Teresa

-- Posted by mojomama66 on Mon, May 7, 2012, at 3:53 PM

Liz Taylor

-- Posted by meagain on Mon, May 7, 2012, at 3:29 PM

:) Interesting descriptor re MM, Smart Dog.

Okay, E.T. it is, in the well-rounded category.

-- Posted by Slater on Mon, May 7, 2012, at 10:51 AM

Smart Dog is overruled.

Pick your second (even though I agree with MM).

-- Posted by Interested Too on Mon, May 7, 2012, at 9:52 AM

I purposefully picked different types; instead of just going for looks (although Teresa was a hottie). I wanted to see if we go for altruism, looks or talent.

My last 2 were going to be Jessica Simpson vs Jessica Rabbit, knowing that we probably had a winner out of the first 3 polls.


-- Posted by Interested Too on Mon, May 7, 2012, at 9:50 AM

Marilyn Monroe! Write-in candidate!

She got hosed in round 1 by an unfair tiebreaker.

I demand a run-off election!

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Mon, May 7, 2012, at 9:26 AM

Oh Geez! I can't even think of what those 3 have in common! So, I guess Mother Theresa for me!

-- Posted by luvthoseowls on Mon, May 7, 2012, at 9:12 AM

Well, as interest in the poll has dropped, let's just vote on the 3 finalists.

For for your favorite, for whatever reason:

Elizabeth Taylor, Mother Teresa or Patsy Cline.

Result tomorrow!

-- Posted by Interested Too on Mon, May 7, 2012, at 8:07 AM

Patsy Cline

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, May 6, 2012, at 11:41 PM

I guess it's all relative B'n'B. To my way of thinking Japan isn't frequented by tornadoes. They report an average twenty per year. Oklahoma alone averages 96 per year.http://www.islandnet.com/~see/weather/almanac/arc2007/alm07jun.htm

By the way your link didn't work. Could you post it again. As I searched for information I saw several statements about various countries, including Japan being concerned about an increase in tornadoes.

Good to see you posting.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, May 6, 2012, at 11:31 PM

I'm not trying to deny climate change OKR but I was suprised to find that tornadoes in Japan are rather common. I though it was more of a USA thing but I guess not. http://english.ohmynews.com/ArticleView/...

-- Posted by broke-n-busted on Sun, May 6, 2012, at 9:55 PM

Tina Turner, but nothing to do with music.

-- Posted by Slater on Sun, May 6, 2012, at 5:17 PM


Climate change is occurring despite the deniers' denials.

That is the catch-22 for the deniers -- wishing it away won't stop it.

I often wonder if the Deniers really understand just how severely climate change has impacted human beings in the past.

I wonder about this because if they had the slightest notion of how difficult their lives and the lives of their children and grandchildren will be under such circumstances, they would be marching in the streets demanding that we stop pumping carbon into our atmosphere.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, May 6, 2012, at 4:33 PM

Patsy Cline

-- Posted by meagain on Sun, May 6, 2012, at 3:05 PM

For those who choose to believe absolutely nothing I say, the best I can do is give you a link, though you may choose to not believe that either. http://photoblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/201...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, May 6, 2012, at 12:26 PM

Tokyo tornado. Say what? Tokyo tornado, one killed, many injured.

Just keep saying to make it so; There is no such thing as climate change. There is no such thing as climate change. There is no such thing as climate change. Oh yes, add an all praise to Jim Inhofe. If you don't know who he is just say another dozen "no such things", and don't worry about it. Adopt the Alfred E. Newman approach "What me worry?", and be done with it. If you don't know who he is, you probably have no need to know. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, May 6, 2012, at 12:23 PM


Mother Teresa in a landslide.

Round 3:

Patsy Cline

Tina Turner

-- Posted by Interested Too on Sun, May 6, 2012, at 9:19 AM

"Florida Judge denies 'Stand Your Ground' retrial to female black defendant"


-- Posted by news across on Sat, May 5, 2012, at 6:24 PM

Definitely Eleanor. She was a visionary; and definitely a woman before her time.

-- Posted by born-n-raised on Sat, May 5, 2012, at 3:47 PM

Mother Teresa, no contest.

-- Posted by mojomama66 on Sat, May 5, 2012, at 12:22 PM

Mother Teresa

-- Posted by momof3girls on Sat, May 5, 2012, at 11:09 AM

OK, Liz wins her round.

Next round:

Eleanor Roosevelt

Mother Teresa

24 hours, I only vote to break ties.

-- Posted by Interested Too on Sat, May 5, 2012, at 9:20 AM


-- Posted by Slater on Fri, May 4, 2012, at 11:41 PM


-- Posted by broke-n-busted on Fri, May 4, 2012, at 8:24 PM


-- Posted by koeller77 on Fri, May 4, 2012, at 2:50 PM

Elizabeth Taylor...classy!

-- Posted by momof3girls on Fri, May 4, 2012, at 2:38 PM

Liz...those violet eyes.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, May 4, 2012, at 1:21 PM


-- Posted by Smart Dog on Fri, May 4, 2012, at 12:43 PM

Liz, for me too.

-- Posted by meagain on Fri, May 4, 2012, at 11:50 AM

Okay- I'll bite- Liz

-- Posted by luvthoseowls on Fri, May 4, 2012, at 9:45 AM

Gonna run an informal poll.

You can vote once, and each poll runs 24 hours.

Gong to do women first.

1st poll: Marilyn Monroe or Elizabeth Taylor?

Pick your favorite, no explanations necessary.

The winner of this round will go against the winner of the next round. There will be 8 ladies in all.

-- Posted by Interested Too on Fri, May 4, 2012, at 8:57 AM

The new press at the MDN has made a world of difference. It is so much better. Thanks

-- Posted by Pasta on Fri, May 4, 2012, at 8:33 AM

The jazz fest is just around the corner. Mr. James was kind of to record this invitation: http://youtu.be/WPuNU07b8Po

-- Posted by Eric Crump on Thu, May 3, 2012, at 11:00 AM

...and Paul McCartney.

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, May 2, 2012, at 6:07 PM

...and Bob Geldof.

-- Posted by Jessica Wise on Wed, May 2, 2012, at 2:22 PM

.....and Jimi Hendrix.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Wed, May 2, 2012, at 7:20 AM

Pappy was right! Sometimes folks jes need to have some sense knocked in their haids! ;)


-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Apr 30, 2012, at 7:09 PM

Why hasn't the story about Marshall's supermileage team appeared in the paper yet?

-- Posted by niuges on Mon, Apr 30, 2012, at 2:06 PM

Thank you ChickenPotPie!!!!

I am posting again so it want get lost in subsequent post.

Would be an attractive article for MDN and KMMO.


-- Posted by CWilli on Mon, Apr 30, 2012, at 9:47 AM

Nice job to Gene Griffith and the McQueen committee for such a fantastic show. Lots of hard work behind the scenes, paid off...and beautiful weather!

-- Posted by prd123 on Mon, Apr 30, 2012, at 8:25 AM

Saturday April 28. My kind of day. Photos of Slater's Steve McQueen Day celebration AND prom photos. Thanks.

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Sat, Apr 28, 2012, at 11:39 PM


I enjoyed reading the article you posted regarding the recently discovered social and health benefits of compassion and other forms of altruism.

However, I doubt it will have much impact with the root-hog-or-die crowd.

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Apr 28, 2012, at 5:02 PM

I hear ya!! Now, the band teacher is saying that she started a fifth grade band this year - there has been a fifth grade band since I was there in the 80's! My daughter participated a few years ago in fifth grade band as well. Oh well! Fine Arts night was great and I hope it continues!

-- Posted by opin on Fri, Apr 27, 2012, at 10:32 AM

Who knows anymore opin!! :-)

It was their First Fine Arts night and was a great turn out for it.

-- Posted by prd123 on Fri, Apr 27, 2012, at 10:03 AM



Bob James


-- Posted by news across on Thu, Apr 26, 2012, at 7:49 PM

Slater may not have had very many band members the last few years, but there has not been a time when there has been NO band members at all. I wonder where that came from prd!!!!!

-- Posted by opin on Thu, Apr 26, 2012, at 4:54 PM

Here's a nice diversion for my friends with as much interest in the past as in the present (or future). The site is dedicated to the sale of old postcards, but you don't have to register or buy to look (and you'll even see one of your courthouse from an ancient time!):



-- Posted by Slater on Thu, Apr 26, 2012, at 4:33 PM

Slater Fine Arts Night: "This is the first school year these students have had a school band."

Guess I was dreaming when I spent a whole lot of money on a clarinet a couple years ago and went to my child's band concerts.

-- Posted by prd123 on Thu, Apr 26, 2012, at 3:25 PM

I think it is very unfair that to work at the Marshall Municipal Utilities office you have to speak and read Spanish. I am definitely not against the Hispanic population in Marshall and I believe they are an asset but I don't think it is right to make jobs available only to those that are bilingual.

-- Posted by Bambi on Thu, Apr 26, 2012, at 2:35 PM

Thanks for the info, Oklahoma. I hope Senator McCaskill is successful in her quest.

-- Posted by born-n-raised on Wed, Apr 25, 2012, at 6:03 PM

Any word on what went on durring closed session of the board meeting last night? I'm a little disappointed that nothing has been updated.

-- Posted by public informant on Wed, Apr 25, 2012, at 4:53 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
It's been updated now.

I meant McCaskill of course. No offense intended to Missouri's only people's Senator. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Apr 25, 2012, at 4:49 PM

BNR here are some links that will inform you to some degree. Best I can tell Mo. State legislatures have not had a raise since 2007. There is an automatic provision for annual raises for Mo. elected officials, unless they vote it down prior to February each year. It appears they have voted it down each year since 2007.

The current raise at issue for state employees caps at 45K. That would include legislators, but they have excluded themselves from the potential raise. They make 35,915.00 per annum.

On a similar subject U. S, Senator Catskill, Democrat, is trying to end automatic annual raises for U. S. Senators, but is having a tough go of it. I don't know why your Republican Senator Blount has not joined her effort. Maybe some of you local Republicans who have his ear can put a bug in it. That is, unless you, like he, are hunky dory with them getting an automatic raise no matter the quality of the work they are doing.

Those Senators, tsk, tsk, are getting more like Wall Street Executives all the time, getting rewarded for failure is uncapitalistic. I scratch my head as to why politicians, and Wall Streeters can't understand that. They are supposed to be the ultimate capitalists, but don't know that? I guess I am just stupid, but it doesn't seem like a capitalist concept to me. ;)





-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Apr 25, 2012, at 4:43 PM

Out of curiosity, does anyone know if the state legislature has received a raise in the last 7 years?

-- Posted by born-n-raised on Wed, Apr 25, 2012, at 2:24 PM

I don't see the story SalineVoter...was this today's news feed...(wed)?

-- Posted by wheresthelove on Wed, Apr 25, 2012, at 12:30 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
The story has already cycled off our AP news feed, but you can find it here:


Thank you for your comment SalineVoter. Most people are not aware that FSD has not had a pay raise or a cost of living raise in almost 7 years. This makes it very difficult to provide for our families while we are working harder than ever with greatly increased caseloads to help other families in our community. The proposed 2% pay raise does not amount to much per person but it is better than nothing at all.

-- Posted by sickofit on Wed, Apr 25, 2012, at 11:40 AM

Actually, Stouffer is running for Secretary of State, which oversees public libraries in the state (among other things.)

-- Posted by Amy Crump on Wed, Apr 25, 2012, at 11:30 AM

I believe that Stouffer has term limited out, or is not running again.

So, no recourse for his NO vote folks.

Might keep in mind that you can vote against the next guy from his party, however.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Wed, Apr 25, 2012, at 10:56 AM

Well said SalineVoter! Shame on you Senator Stouffer!

-- Posted by soccerma77 on Wed, Apr 25, 2012, at 10:17 AM

Please read the State news feed. Thank you MDN, sincerely. Senator Stouffer has once again slapped his local constituents in the face. MHC & FSD provides valuable services to our most vulnerable citizens. You feel that the lowest paid workers don't deserve a 2% pay raise? Your yes vote to eliminate this meager raise will result in my NO vote for you. Quite disappointed again.

-- Posted by SalineVoter on Wed, Apr 25, 2012, at 8:50 AM

No limo ride for me.

They can turn me into ashes on the spot.

Let's keep the money in the family!

-- Posted by Interested Too on Wed, Apr 25, 2012, at 8:25 AM

In todays economic and political climate, the ride in "The Big Black Limo" seems to be all a working class guy has to look forward to.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Wed, Apr 25, 2012, at 7:35 AM

Hey RD, and r486 you dudes are kinda creepy. You both seem to be far too familiar with "The Long Black Ride". You guys up a lot very late at night are you? ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Apr 24, 2012, at 9:32 PM

Ambulances do ride rough, they have to. They not only need to carry a lot of equipment for all kinds of situations but the vehicle has to navigate mud, snow, ice and rain. The drivers are trained to minimize the roughness and do the best they can to make the expierence safe, quick and smooth. I agree, the smoothest ride is the one in the big black wagon.

-- Posted by rudy486 on Tue, Apr 24, 2012, at 7:27 PM

Jason is correct about those things riding rough. I had to remind myself I was riding in what is basically a box on a truck frame. What would it be rated at? A ton and a half? I think it is remarkable the technicians can still do their work while riding in a vehicle that is bouncing around like a truck.

There is a specialty "people transport" vehicle made that rides much smoother. It is usually long and black. We all may need the ambulance guy's help to forestall our riding in that long, black one. I am trying to make light of an unpleasant situation and not doing a very good job of it, ain't I?

-- Posted by red dog on Tue, Apr 24, 2012, at 2:54 PM

I apoligize for my comments thought he said that but still they rode rough to columbia.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Mon, Apr 23, 2012, at 7:54 PM

I want to thank you all for the nice comments about SCAD #3. Let me assure you that we have cutting edge and up to date equipment. We strive to give the most up to date care that we possibly can. EMS is a constantly evolving field and we attend numerous trainings throughout the year to stay current with these changes. As for our vehicles we have a 2007, 2008, and a 2010. All of these are built by AEV (American Emergency Vehicles). They are one of the best builders in the country. We have a 2012 Ambulance on order and expect to take delivery sometime this spring. Some of the prior comments were right. These ambulances do get a lot of miles on them. We go to Columbia or KC on an average of two times a day with patients that need a higher level of care than our local facilities can provide. We have an aggressive preventative care maintenance program since we transport the most precious cargo off all. I am always available to answer any questions about our organization. You can also visit our web page at salinecountyambulance.com


Wade Kelling, EMT-Paramedic

Chief of EMS

-- Posted by wkelling on Mon, Apr 23, 2012, at 11:08 AM

Jason - Based on my husband's experiences as an EMT, I think it would be highly irregular for an ambulance to still be in use from the 1970's. Perhaps they were referring to the fact that SCAD was established in the 1970s.

Rigs are usually replaced every 5-10 years, after they have put on between 100k & 150k miles. Given the huge amount of mileage regularly put on an ambulance, one that is close to 40 years old would be well over the 500k mark in mileage. I think perhaps either the EMT was joshing you, or you misunderstood.

-- Posted by koeller77 on Mon, Apr 23, 2012, at 10:11 AM

When I rode in an ambulance they had the Emt. said the ambulance was made back in the 70's.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Sun, Apr 22, 2012, at 6:15 PM

What was meant by SCAD III having outdated equipment? They usually have first rate stuff. I want them to have first rate stuff. Is there actually any truth to this?

-- Posted by red dog on Sun, Apr 22, 2012, at 1:56 PM

The Emts, do a bang up job considering they are driving outdated ambulances.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Sun, Apr 22, 2012, at 10:10 AM

Bob James has kindly taken the time to record a couple of promotional videos for the Bob James Jazz Fest. This one is a charming interview with his 10-year-old granddaughter, Ava.


-- Posted by Eric Crump on Sun, Apr 22, 2012, at 7:27 AM

Stories bout them not coming to rescue people or what "mtowners"? I am with you though we have a great group here!

-- Posted by tigger2118 on Sat, Apr 21, 2012, at 8:46 PM

I couldn't be more thankful for the professional and amazing members of our Saline county ambulance team! I have heard unbelievable stories about paramedics and EMT's in other counties and feel blessed to have such a fine team here, one you can really count on when you need it!!

-- Posted by mtownres on Sat, Apr 21, 2012, at 8:32 PM

"Gulf of Mexico spill takes toll on health"


-- Posted by news across on Fri, Apr 20, 2012, at 7:17 PM

I enjoyed the link, PotPie. Thanks for sharing!

-- Posted by Slater on Fri, Apr 20, 2012, at 12:43 AM

Any word on what happened at the closed school board meeting last night?

-- Posted by huh? on Wed, Apr 18, 2012, at 11:35 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
No action was taken, according to district officials.


Could you please answer my question??

Response by Eric Crump/Editor:

In a bit. Deadline.

-- Posted by BellyJeans on Wed, Apr 18, 2012, at 8:21 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
It's very easy, under the cloak of anonymity, to make accusations that can damage a person or business's reputation. Those accusations may be difficult or impossible for the accused to refute, so the damage is unfairly done.


If the jury has already decided your guilty based upon your race alone, then you will never, ever get a fair trial mate.

Racism guarantees the outcome from the start.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Apr 18, 2012, at 12:38 AM

The question should be News is 'Were they truly guilty or not' it doesn't matter what color the jury is. Now who is the racist here? The liberal.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Tue, Apr 17, 2012, at 9:09 PM


Why was my post deleted??????????

-- Posted by BellyJeans on Tue, Apr 17, 2012, at 5:28 PM

"Study: All-White Jury Pools Convict Black Defendants 16 Percent More Often Than Whites"


Is that justice?

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Apr 17, 2012, at 4:15 PM

And,...oh yeah, this fellow...


-- Posted by news across on Mon, Apr 16, 2012, at 11:08 PM


-- Posted by news across on Mon, Apr 16, 2012, at 10:58 PM

Are you talking to me? If so, I didn't post anything.

-- Posted by Amy Crump on Mon, Apr 16, 2012, at 5:26 PM

One definite answer would have been fine, Amy. I clearly stated I missed the information. Zeke "thought" he knew the date, which was great but I was asking for someone out of town who needed to know for sure.

-- Posted by prd123 on Mon, Apr 16, 2012, at 2:52 PM


If you've talked to the teacher and counselor at the school, keep calling and ask for the next person in the supervisory level. Then call MPS Central Office, then DESE. There are very specific time frames and deadlines that are required by law as far as submitting and completing each document in the IEP process. And I believe your child is eligible for services through age 21.

In my book, nothing is more important than a proper education, regardless of ability level. I wouldn't stop asking questions and making phone calls until I had some satisfaction. Good luck!!

-- Posted by mojomama66 on Mon, Apr 16, 2012, at 1:31 PM


-- Posted by news across on Sun, Apr 15, 2012, at 5:16 PM

Thank goodness they finally cancelled the soccer games today! I really didn't want my kids out there in the rain soaked fields!

-- Posted by meagain on Sun, Apr 15, 2012, at 2:45 PM

Well maybe its me but I think its kind of morbid the way some organizations have jumped on this murder of Treyvor Martin and try to hate on white people now if the role was reversed and a group of white people said stuff like this towards blacks they would be consider racists. Btw I am not white but Native American. Just saying I think its very morbid to do this on a death of such of a young person. It is not honoring his life.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Sun, Apr 15, 2012, at 11:24 AM

Dogs everywhere thank you for the nice words, Cheetah.

Apparently the chicken pot pie gang is not able to recognize satire.

Kids today......

I do favor the selection of my dearly departed friend Jim as State Historical Dog, as if it attracts one car load of folks to Marshall for a day, it is a good thing.

Perhaps I lost my audience by paraphrasing Asa Carter. I just figured no one, potpie included, would catch it.

"Never underestimate the underinformed."

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Sun, Apr 15, 2012, at 9:00 AM

I just voted in the new poll regarding the Drug War. I am with the leader of the Conservative intellectuals, George Will, on this issue.

Like our other wars that we have blundered into, we can no longer afford this loser.

To me this is a no brainer. We need to get out of the business of war all together. The drug war is a monumental failure. Every major war that we have gotten into beginning with the Viet Nam War has ended in failure. The Drug War is not an exception, in fact it is the worst failure, and because of its ridiculous premise may have cost our country the productive lives of more of our citizens than the rest combined.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Apr 15, 2012, at 1:23 AM


Great video mate, Carlin definitely had his head together.

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Apr 14, 2012, at 4:08 PM


Yes it is indeed a tragedy when a full grown man stalks and murders a child.

I don't know if Zimmerman will be found guilty or not, but I am pretty sure he is a "dead man walking" no matter what the verdict.

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Apr 14, 2012, at 3:57 PM

I am posting this comment today, my fellow Saline Countians, to shed some light on an issue that is near and dear to my heart, and yours too.

In keeping up with the times we must form a Political Action Committee to fund raise and lobby for Jim's designation as State Historical Dog.

Our gridlocked state government has tabled a vote on an important issue the affects dogs and other folks everywhere. We must pool our resources and get some pressure on these devilish politicians for our cause.

I am going to call it "The Dog PAC".

We need a publicist, a couple of lawyers, and some spin doctors on this State Historical Dog controversy quickly before we become overshadowed by those other meaningless campaigns going on right now.

Those Warrensburgers and their Supreme Court hound, what are they thinking. Nobody likes the Supreme Court, who are they trying to fool?

Perhaps a telemarketing campaign disguised as a public opinion poll, some clever bumper stickers, and celebrity endorsements. Corporate sponsorships from Alpo and Purina would be welcome.

As Jim was a hunting dog, I would think the NRA would want in on this. And the Koch brothers, are they dog owners?

Somebody make sure we have a copy of Jim's birth certificate handy. We don't want to let that stuff get started.

And make sure to call Vicky and tell her that Jim would support the XL Pipeline if he were still alive. (Wait.... Is he really dead? I thought I saw him outside of Wal-Mart the other day.)

Surely Jim is more popular, and deserving of recognition, than that hot-air radio radical guy.

Dogs Unite! Who's with me?

"Jim Today! Jim Tomorrow! Jim Forever!"

PS - My sincere apologies to those who find this too political for this blog. This topic is just too important to be limited to the confines of the Politics blog where it will only be read by 3 posters.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Sat, Apr 14, 2012, at 10:25 AM

The Trevor Martin case is a real tragedy feel so bad for his family. First their son is killed and then they are so wanting justice that they are used by certain groups of people like The New Black Panther same group that showed up at election voting booths trying to terrorize people to vote for President Obamma (this group put a bounty on George Zimmerman). And use hate speech towards white people come to find out Mr. Zimmerman is half Peruvian. I am saying this was tragedy that should not have happen and this was an individual that is overcharge right now. And btw I gurrantee he will not be found not Guilty of 2nd degree murder, found guily of manslaughter or plea down to manslaughter. And if you don't see this lord help our country bc we could end up in a race war.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Sat, Apr 14, 2012, at 10:13 AM

"Justice (If You're 17)"


-- Posted by news across on Sat, Apr 14, 2012, at 3:06 AM

Gunfights>Pay Day Loans

-- Posted by PotPieEavesDropperJ on Fri, Apr 13, 2012, at 8:00 PM


How many answers did you need?

-- Posted by Amy Crump on Fri, Apr 13, 2012, at 7:14 PM

ya'll best not tie up that thar south side of the square. There may be some dad blamed old business it may hinder the profits of, causing a bit of a ruckus.

-- Posted by meagain on Fri, Apr 13, 2012, at 4:46 PM

Thank you Zeke for the info on the Health Fair. I have still yet to get an answer from anyone else.

-- Posted by prd123 on Fri, Apr 13, 2012, at 3:21 PM

news across,

Here, take this money and give my half and Ned's half to my kids. Tell 'em if I ain't back in a week, they give half to Sally Two-Trees. You keep the rest, you can get them spectacles now.

-- Posted by PotPieEavesDropperJ on Fri, Apr 13, 2012, at 10:10 AM


Darned if I care what you do mate.

I really do live in a whole other country.

While ya'll have your gunfights, I think I will just mosey on down to a fancy saloon overlooking the South Pacific ocean and enjoy a pint or two of Guinness Stout and watch the waves roll in.

Be sure and let me know how that gunfightin' works out for ya mate.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Apr 13, 2012, at 2:05 AM

I suggest the south side because gun duels are real serious events that would not be imagined profit making schemes. North Street is filled with those things. It reminds me of a song I once new LA LA LA LA LA Troyyyyyy Eddddddd Primeeeeeee Wooooood First Chrissssss B aaaaaaaand Beeeeeeeeeee

-- Posted by PotPieEavesDropperJ on Fri, Apr 13, 2012, at 1:02 AM

Praise the Lord, Jim the Wonder Dog, and Ricky Santorum! In that order. oh and uhhhhhh Dale Earnhard.

-- Posted by PotPieEavesDropperJ on Fri, Apr 13, 2012, at 12:36 AM

hey news across. I agree. I suggest that the South Side of the Square be used to have showdowns on Sunday morning, if any Cowpoke wants to draw down. (spit in spittoon) It would actually save lives by drawing people to the Farmers Market. One pistol fight a week would be healthier for the town than the daily fast food drive through parades! yeeee haaaaaaaaaaaw obamerr best not take my gunz

-- Posted by PotPieEavesDropperJ on Fri, Apr 13, 2012, at 12:33 AM

Smart Dog

I posted the op-ed piece because I think its an interesting take on a current topic of interest.

The authors' thesis does not require my support -- it is already well supported by the its qualifying points.

As to my opinion, I think its a well written essay. Beyond that, I don't have any opinion of it.

If you are wanting my opinion on gun ownership, that is another matter altogether.

My opinion on gun ownership is this;

Every adult in America who is not in prison or in a mental hospital should carry a loaded pistol on their person at all times -- with extremely severe penalties for any crime, no matter how small the crime -- committed while they are in possession of the weapon.

That is my opinion, however insignificant that may be..

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Apr 12, 2012, at 5:01 PM

Well said Gal66!!!

-- Posted by hatebegetshate on Thu, Apr 12, 2012, at 10:33 AM

Smart Dog it's called stiring the pot and news is very good at it!!!!

-- Posted by Gal66 on Thu, Apr 12, 2012, at 7:53 AM

News, old buddy, if you don't support the thesis and supporting statements, then why post the link?

Kind of hard to throw gasoline on the fire and then say "don't blame me, blame the gasoline," eh?

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Thu, Apr 12, 2012, at 7:43 AM


I didn't write the op ed piece you refer to.

If you feel the authors have misrepresented their argument, failed to qualify their thesis, or have questions about any part of their essay then I would recommend you contact the authors and/or the publisher and address your concerns to them.

You can contact them at:


As for me, I have expressed no opinion in the matter.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Apr 11, 2012, at 7:30 PM


I guess than you could say that the women who's home was broken into by two armed thug and forced in to her closet would be an advocate for the NRA's culture war.

-- Posted by sheepdip on Wed, Apr 11, 2012, at 7:14 PM

"Trayvon Martin, a victim in the NRA's culture war"


-- Posted by news across on Wed, Apr 11, 2012, at 4:41 PM

Any word on when the boil order will be over?


-- Posted by meagain on Wed, Apr 11, 2012, at 2:38 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
I left contact information with the district & asked if they could let us know whenever they have information they need to get to the public. I know they are very busy dealing with the situation, but if I don't hear back by tomorrow I'll check in with them.


-- Posted by SlapHappy on Wed, Apr 11, 2012, at 1:26 PM

Since I can't comment on the story, I'll do it here.

Cara Posegate has done a great thing for Marshall Schools with her Marketing classes and DECA competitions. We are lucky to have her (and Josh, of course).

GO DECA at Internationals!

Those kids are getting some great experience and valuable skills from their work, fundraising, and competition.

Atta girl, Cara.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Wed, Apr 11, 2012, at 1:14 PM

i think i saw the health fair advertised in the demo news and heard it on the radio ... i think it is this saturday - april 14th - from 7 a.m. to 11 a.m. at the hospital. this is a new location, it is usually at the high school - so let everyone know.


-- Posted by zeke on Wed, Apr 11, 2012, at 8:19 AM

"Record and near-record breaking temperatures dominated the eastern two-thirds of the United States and contributed to the warmest March on record for the contiguous United States, a record that dates back to 1895. More than 15,000 warm temperature records were broken during the month."


-- Posted by cheesehead on Tue, Apr 10, 2012, at 7:55 PM

Interested Too,

Excellent point.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Apr 10, 2012, at 4:28 PM

When is the Fitzgibbon Health Fair? I have not seen anything advertised unless I missed it.

-- Posted by prd123 on Tue, Apr 10, 2012, at 4:15 PM

Yay, we have water!!!! There is a boil order, but it beats driving back to town to get a shower. :)

-- Posted by meagain on Tue, Apr 10, 2012, at 3:10 PM

Oh nooooo!

Now that Santorum is out of the race; what are the Missouri Republican delegates to do?

Oh, that's right, he only suspended his campaign; this way, people can still support him monetarily. I can't wait until the book comes out!

-- Posted by Interested Too on Tue, Apr 10, 2012, at 2:08 PM


Apparently it was supposed to be out for just a few hours, but some problem happened. My sister-in--law apparently talked to them. Just got in from the field filthy and no water...great!


-- Posted by Marcia Gorrell on Mon, Apr 9, 2012, at 8:48 PM

Accusing Cheetah of being a bully? Seriously? Have you lost your mind entirely?

-- Posted by Miss Marple on Mon, Apr 9, 2012, at 7:52 PM

Unless it is on my fence and depicts body parts best left covered.

-- Posted by Interested Too on Mon, Apr 9, 2012, at 7:15 PM

Does anyone know why water district three has no water and has not had water since late morning? I can't do laundry, dishes, or take a shower :(

-- Posted by meagain on Mon, Apr 9, 2012, at 6:06 PM

Interested Too- I don't think there is a right or wrong answer to the art vs. vandalism debate... Beauty, as is art, is in the eye of the beholder.

-- Posted by luvthoseowls on Mon, Apr 9, 2012, at 3:54 PM

As someone who grew up loving art and wanting at one point to do it professionally, I have always been jealous of a "taggers" ability to create the work that they do. There is so much to it and most of it is really cool to look at.

-- Posted by Tigers/Owls4Life96 on Mon, Apr 9, 2012, at 1:29 PM

I am not entirely sure whether graffiti is art or not, but it is funny how our views of vandalism have changed. Of course the work at the skate park is not vandalism. I am referring to the generic tagger's work.

-- Posted by Interested Too on Mon, Apr 9, 2012, at 1:08 PM

I think it is a great thing for Marshall Skate Park to have a place where graffiti artists don't have to feel like they are breaking the law to express themselves. I don't agree with people sneaking around in the dark of night to deface someone's property without permission, however. I saw the pics of your work and it looked awesome!

-- Posted by luvthoseowls on Mon, Apr 9, 2012, at 1:03 PM


My siblings, a friend, and I did the mural in the gallery of "Alan Wake" at the skate park. I personally avoid painting private or public property without consent. I appreciate the skate park being available as an ever-changing canvas for graffiti.

By the way, we did the "Alan Wake" mural while filming a music video, which can be seen here:


-- Posted by jhatfield on Mon, Apr 9, 2012, at 12:48 PM

In reference to the Photo Gallery of graffiti in Marshall. The question was raised as to whether it was art or not. I, personally, think that some of it is definitely art. The unfortunate thing is WHERE these young artists choose to put their artwork. I love watching the trains at the crossings and seeing the "artwork" on the side of the trains... I know, it's against the law to deface the property, but I still enjoy seeing the color and beauty of some of their designs. What do you all think?

-- Posted by luvthoseowls on Mon, Apr 9, 2012, at 11:37 AM


-- Posted by news across on Sat, Apr 7, 2012, at 5:44 PM


Mr. Harper you did it the right way. Too bad so many now don't follow the same path in raising their children. Your generation did a great job of teaching your son's and my generation that hard work is important and sometimes necessary if you really want something. Not enough parents today are teaching that. Reading thru the current posts regarding the MHS baseball team makes you cringe. Everyone is more worried about who gets credit than just enjoying success and hard work.

Once again thanks to you and all parents of your era (including my own) for teaching us the right things in life.

-- Posted by a realist on Sat, Apr 7, 2012, at 11:25 AM

Been reading the comments about a parent (or parents) not being able to afford for their children (or child) to been in sports , yes I know times are hard and with only one parent it is doubly hard, but parents can do what they want to do, have seen SOME parents buy liquor and cigs, yet complain they don't have money for their child,what a disgrace.

what is wrong with a child mowing yards in summer to HELP pay for some of it?

My son did, he loved wrestling, he mowed yards, scooped snow and worked at Sonic to help pay for things he needed because we were poor and did not have money for every thing he needed.

He was State champion two years in a row (11 $ 12th grades) he worked hard to acheive what he wanted, The pride we felt was awesome, but more important it helped him to be a responsible adult knowing he had to work for what he wanted.

He went into the Army as soon as he graduated (he signed up with the delayed entry progam in 12th grads) served almost 23 years before retiring, now is a full-time fire fighter and works for the schools on days off from MFD

I guess what I'm trying to say is being poor is NO excuse for your child not to be in sports, you and they can do what you want IF they want it bad enough, almost all jobs will work around sport schdules

Good luck to any child that really tries, they WILL be succesful',

-- Posted by buttons on Sat, Apr 7, 2012, at 10:22 AM

Want to see who was around in Marshall/Saline county in 1940. Browse the 1940 census for using Ancestry.com. You only need sign up for a free account. I imagine they will eventually charge for using their outstanding image viewer.

The 1940 census is also available at FamilySearch.org. Their image viewer is slower and requires more work.

-- Posted by ceh_meh@verizon.net on Fri, Apr 6, 2012, at 2:04 PM

mu-grad, are those percentages different than in surrounding school districts? ALL surrounding districts are performing significantly better.

-- Posted by born-n-raised on Fri, Apr 6, 2012, at 12:33 PM

Were there any election results on MDN? Or did I miss them?

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Fri, Apr 6, 2012, at 10:53 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Unofficial results posted Tuesday night, in the paper Wednesday:


Write-in results posted Wednesday/in the paper Thursday:


the Academic performance is amazing considering 20% special education, 10% passed on from middle school, 20% with absent-no control parents,...

-- Posted by mu-grad on Thu, Apr 5, 2012, at 8:37 PM


Ok, I'll bite. Maybe if more kids were involved in programs such as sports that had academic responsibilities in order to participate, the numbers would be different.

Just a thought.

-- Posted by Tigers/Owls4Life96 on Thu, Apr 5, 2012, at 7:40 PM

Great Job Marshall Baseball!!

-- Posted by ballhog on Thu, Apr 5, 2012, at 6:25 PM

Good job Coach Callanan and players!

-- Posted by SlapHappy on Thu, Apr 5, 2012, at 12:07 PM

I'm glad that the baseball team is doing so well and that people are interested. I just wish that Marshall Public School's awful academic performance created this much interest.

-- Posted by born-n-raised on Thu, Apr 5, 2012, at 11:29 AM

I agree with Smart Dog! Bubba didnt play in lastnights game! Matter of fact he got ejected from mondays game and the boys came back to win with him gone! Goodjob fellas,way to win!

-- Posted by willie makit on Thu, Apr 5, 2012, at 11:07 AM

Absolutely, email away.

Lots of people use these boards as a manner of pointing fingers, assessing blame, making outlandish comments with no intent on ever being identified from them. I agree, that's not what the forum should be for. Maybe bully was harsh, but some of your comments did seem to fall in line with that thinking at times. My biggest issue has always been the finger pointing at kids, coaches, others while little to no alternatives have ever been identified by those doing it.

It's funny, when things aren't going so well, these pages fill up with blame, scapegoats, finger wagging, told you so's, fire everyone, and mockery of the student athletes. Now, with the kids playing well, no one wants to talk about it and complain that others are asking for more details and better write-ups.

It really is a no win situation, but lose 3 in a row, and heads will inevitably roll for sure. Just a peeve, some venting of sorts, but all is good. The Owls are 6-0 and really playing good baseball, that's all that really matters to me.

-- Posted by Tigers/Owls4Life96 on Thu, Apr 5, 2012, at 9:06 AM

Did Bubba pitch for the Owls, or what?

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Thu, Apr 5, 2012, at 7:46 AM


-- Posted by SlapHappy on Thu, Apr 5, 2012, at 7:40 AM

Marshall Owls baseball, 6-0!!!

-- Posted by Tigers/Owls4Life96 on Wed, Apr 4, 2012, at 10:35 PM

So now your argument is that there is corruption in the classes and that grades are not as they should be?

First you were upset your kids couldn't participate, but after that was debunked, your now acting as though sports are bad?

Pick a stance.

-- Posted by Tigers/Owls4Life96 on Wed, Apr 4, 2012, at 7:17 PM

Yes, I realize grades are SUPPOSED to be at a certain standard but that doesn't mean they always are.

-- Posted by BellyJeans on Wed, Apr 4, 2012, at 6:42 PM


You do realize that grades must be a certain standard to participate in sports, right? Sports are not the issue.

-- Posted by Tigers/Owls4Life96 on Wed, Apr 4, 2012, at 6:30 PM

AAhhh just as I thought! Imagine that!!

-- Posted by BellyJeans on Wed, Apr 4, 2012, at 6:16 PM

Oh and maybe, test scores are down for Marshall because we have way too many sports! We need to get a focus back on education and making kids think and use their brains!!

-- Posted by BellyJeans on Wed, Apr 4, 2012, at 6:13 PM

So - if the big boss says you can't share any information with an investigator until she sees it, is that interferring with the process or just being a dictator?

-- Posted by Where's the Truth? on Wed, Apr 4, 2012, at 6:10 PM


Currently a parent, previously a coach. In fact, I remember coaching a pretty good catcher/outfielder in Cheetah Jr. We can discuss sports at any time, it's a passion of mine for sure. Anytime your free, and there's a game in town, come on out to the left field trees and pull up a chair.

As far as the good citizen comment, the coaches hold their players to high standards. Mess up in class and playing time is in jeopardy. The way it should be, to be honest.

Hope to see you soon in the cheap seats.


-- Posted by Tigers/Owls4Life96 on Wed, Apr 4, 2012, at 5:31 PM

Local-a-rod you said to stop posting and let the word out by word-of-mouth!?! That is what posting is, or should we all just gather at the local Wal-Mart and tell people as they come in?

-- Posted by inthemiddle on Wed, Apr 4, 2012, at 4:43 PM

Here's the thing: People posting here are anonymous and so don't have to take responsibility for what they say. Accusations posted could be accurate and truthful. Or they might be fabrications and distortions. Without investigating further, I often have no way of knowing which it is. That's why I usually delete accusations posted here and urge people to contact me privately.

-- Posted by Eric Crump on Wed, Apr 4, 2012, at 3:47 PM


You are SO right!! Loved the video and it is very true!! Thanks for your input!!

-- Posted by BellyJeans on Wed, Apr 4, 2012, at 3:30 PM


Good point! There are some parents out there that don't give two hoots where the kids are AND there are parents out there that are pushing their kids into sports, orchestra, academic and who knows what else. Parents want to live vicariously through their kids. I have seen it too many times to count. All of my girls excel in academics and my oldest will be going leaving for Drury this summer, but I have a friend whose daughter wanted to be a cheerleader and is really good but they can't afford everything that comes with cheerleading so she can't try out. It is just very sad that there are children who never even have a chance and we shouldn't be concerned with who their parents are, we should be offering it to them regardless of where they come from. Some of them just might surprise you.

-- Posted by BellyJeans on Wed, Apr 4, 2012, at 3:24 PM


Why not post that information for all to see as my interest may be different from others. You just might help someone who has too much pride to ask.

-- Posted by BellyJeans on Wed, Apr 4, 2012, at 3:10 PM

If that's true, then why did you not investigate the letter you received a couple of years ago instead of turning it over the MHC administration?

-- Posted by Where's the Truth? on Wed, Apr 4, 2012, at 2:02 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Please send email to ecrump@marshallnews.com or call 660-886-2233 so we can talk further. I am not familiar with the situation you're referring to.

The safety of the workforce at the hab center has been bought into question twice and you have not only blocked comments about such; you have also apparently decided to hide the threats just as the hab center administration has. I also know that you received a letter about the hab center a couple of years ago and rather than investigate it, you turned it over to the superintendent. When does scratching someone's back quit overriding the safety of the public Eric? These are simple questions Eric, there should be no reason to delete this post also!

-- Posted by Where's the Truth? on Wed, Apr 4, 2012, at 1:45 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
I will suggest, as I have in the past, that allegations be directed to me by phone or email or in person, not posted here. We very much appreciate getting story ideas and tips from readers, and we will be glad to consider pursuing stories. 660-886-2233. ecrump@marshallnews.com.

What's funny is how wrong you really are Chicken Pot Pie. So wrong that it is laughable.

Maybe, just maybe, the kids that get to play, are the kids who work the hardest, give the most effort in closed practices where only the coaches are there, are good citizens in the classroom, and do what is required.

Too many lulz.

-- Posted by Tigers/Owls4Life96 on Wed, Apr 4, 2012, at 1:28 PM

yes, the first question every coach at the HS ask at the start of the season is, WHO IS YOUR DADDY AND WHAT DOES HE DO?

-- Posted by SlapHappy on Wed, Apr 4, 2012, at 12:44 PM

Belly jeans,

Again, there are resources to help those who are "less fortunate" participate in activities. If there are any particular activities that are of interest I would be happy to provide you contact information for those that can help, or at least point you in the right direction.

-- Posted by Tigers/Owls4Life96 on Wed, Apr 4, 2012, at 12:12 PM

Consider this Belly Jealns- Many of those same kids who are walking the streets do not have attentive parents who are investing in making sure their kids are involved in activities. I, too, am a single mother with very little money, but my kids are in sports. Baseball, football, basketball, track... not just sports either- academic team, art club, orchestra- It may not be as much an issue of not much money (we took advantage of scholarships offered)but rather parents who are too wrapped up in their own world to drive these kids to practice at 6:30 a.m. or attend games or cheer them on in an academic team match. You don't sound like you are in that category, but before you blame it on money, you should check out the parents.

-- Posted by luvthoseowls on Wed, Apr 4, 2012, at 11:46 AM

Thanks but I don't need congratulating on doing what I signed up to do. When I got married and had my daughters I had dreams of giving them everything they wanted but that all changed. It is what it is, however. If someone wants to do something positive for this town and are sincere about it, why not help the less fortunate kids have some enjoyment?? And, I am not talking specifically about my girls, I am talking about kids in the community who go without everyday and do nothing but walk the streets because that doesn't cost anything, at least not upfront. It could eventually cost them everything.

-- Posted by BellyJeans on Wed, Apr 4, 2012, at 11:00 AM


Lets stop begging people to come watch the baseball team play. Yes they are 5-0 but that is nowhere near their overall goal from what I have been told. Allow their sucess to adventure out by word of mouth. I'm sure Naylors program didn't have blogs to try and invite people to come watch. If you build it... They will come!! And I think we all know that those guys are in the process of trying to build something!

-- Posted by local-A-rod on Wed, Apr 4, 2012, at 7:38 AM


There are plenty of resources available for kids to participate in sports from grade school to high school, money shouldn't be a factor. All of the youth programs (football, wrestling, cheer leading, dancing, YMCA, park department activities) all offer scholarships and ways to participate if the fees are something that can't be met. Also, there must be fees in order to put on programming, it's not like they can operate without funding from participants. And what school sport costs money to participate in? I would venture to guess that there isn't a coach out there that would allow for money to stop a kid from playing a sport anywhere in this town.

Congrats on what you do as a single mother. Take advantage of the resources available, but don't lump everyone who plays sports to having money, or that it's only for rich kids because that is far from the truth.

-- Posted by Tigers/Owls4Life96 on Tue, Apr 3, 2012, at 11:11 PM

Sports in this town are just more things for the rich kids to do. Just like everything else in this town, if you don't have money you are nothing to everyone who does. If parents can't afford for their children to be in the sports programs at school their children are left out. There are many children in this town that don't even have a chance at going to the YMCA or even the swimming pool in summer because the prices are outrageous. My daughters would love to be in some of the sports at school but unfortunately I don't have the extra money for them to participate. And yes, I work, sometimes over 70 hrs per week but it is just me raising these girls and I do the best I can but putting food on the table comes first.

-- Posted by BellyJeans on Tue, Apr 3, 2012, at 10:33 PM


I am with you 100%.

I read the MDN Sports section regularly, and I like the idea of a Speak Out [Sports], if the MDN ever decides to have a Speak Out blog dedicated to that and inclusive of scholarly competitions as well.

Few things bring folks together as well as sports do and, it would be great opportunity for those of us no longer in Marshall to get the birds-eye descriptions of the games from folks who were actually at the game. It sounds like a win-win situation to me.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Apr 3, 2012, at 7:39 PM

Great points news across, I too like to read about the successes of all walks of life in the student world.

Reading these pages sometimes it looks like most will take any opportunity to bring people down, but not as much effort to build people up. There are really good things happening with the youth of our town, why not celebrate it at any opportunity possible?

-- Posted by Tigers/Owls4Life96 on Tue, Apr 3, 2012, at 7:17 PM

AH Life is sooooo good. KU lost!!!

-- Posted by sheepdip on Tue, Apr 3, 2012, at 6:52 PM

I think they should write every article about THE LOCAL A ROD.

-- Posted by local-A-rod on Tue, Apr 3, 2012, at 6:31 PM

Anyway, I know I enjoy reading about the Owls. Obviously, being on the other side of the World makes attending the games impracticable so a good detailed sports report makes a big difference to me.

However, I would also enjoy hearing how the MHS debate team did too (if they have a debate team), and other more academic competitions as well.

Anyway, thats my 2 cents.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Apr 3, 2012, at 5:37 PM

Oops...I mean IT (Interesting Enough).

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Apr 3, 2012, at 5:28 PM

Ya know IE, you have a darn good point there.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Apr 3, 2012, at 5:27 PM

There is a sport section at the top of the page, and I would be all for covering sports even more, if equal time is given to scholastic achievement.

Those kids are our future as well.

-- Posted by Interested Too on Tue, Apr 3, 2012, at 3:53 PM

Or, maybe some people enjoy seeing the kids succeed and think they should be talked about in positive manners by their community.

-- Posted by Tigers/Owls4Life96 on Tue, Apr 3, 2012, at 2:36 PM

I think we need a sports blog!! Personally, if I want to know the scores of games and such I will attend them. I think maybe some are just wanting to see their kids name in the spot light. JMHO

-- Posted by Jessa on Tue, Apr 3, 2012, at 2:29 PM

Address what?

-- Posted by huh? on Tue, Apr 3, 2012, at 2:12 PM

I mean, why would Marshall get it's own story instead of being completely lost in a sports story from another town?

Come on guys, surely you can do better than that?

Conference game, 4-0 for the first time in a long while, young and exciting upcoming program, and it get's a couple paragraphs buried in a non-related article?

Quite the shame.

-- Posted by Tigers/Owls4Life96 on Tue, Apr 3, 2012, at 11:35 AM

Well that's a pretty weak write-up.

-- Posted by Tigers/Owls4Life96 on Tue, Apr 3, 2012, at 11:31 AM

Here is Saturdays game story.

Not much but it's something!


-- Posted by local-A-rod on Tue, Apr 3, 2012, at 11:22 AM

Why is there no election for school boards if unopposed? No chance for write ins?

-- Posted by mu-grad on Tue, Apr 3, 2012, at 10:57 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
School board are not required to hold an election if there is no competition for seats.

And here are the school board and city council candidates. Eric, doesn't the paper usually do a recap of all this information the week before the election?



-- Posted by AnneD on Tue, Apr 3, 2012, at 10:22 AM

Marshall Owls baseball 5-0!!

No Saturday game story?

These kids are really fun to watch, be nice to see the community get out and support them a little bit more. Weather is great, good baseball, let's go Owls.

-- Posted by Tigers/Owls4Life96 on Tue, Apr 3, 2012, at 10:14 AM

On the ballot is a county wide issue to raise the sales tax for E911. Better get out and vote if you don't want to pay more sales tax for four years.


-- Posted by AnneD on Tue, Apr 3, 2012, at 10:14 AM

Is today voting day? What is on the ballot?

-- Posted by OMG! on Tue, Apr 3, 2012, at 7:38 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
It is voting day. What's on the ballot will depend on where you live. Mostly, though, there are school board, city council and ballot issues.

Good catch local.

430 is correct!

-- Posted by Tigers/Owls4Life96 on Mon, Apr 2, 2012, at 12:40 PM

Game time for Varsity matchup is at 4:30.

-- Posted by local-A-rod on Mon, Apr 2, 2012, at 11:07 AM

Owls baseball with a big game tonight at 5pm. Come out and support these young men. It's about time the community gets behind something positive involving our youth.

-- Posted by Tigers/Owls4Life96 on Mon, Apr 2, 2012, at 8:54 AM

April Fools Day!

-- Posted by Tigers/Owls4Life96 on Sun, Apr 1, 2012, at 11:31 AM

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