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Speak Out [February 1 to March 31, 2012]

Wednesday, February 1, 2012

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Owls baseball 4-0!!!!!!!!!

-- Posted by Tigers/Owls4Life96 on Sat, Mar 31, 2012, at 1:04 PM

Really hope people pay attention to Eric's story on AG Koster's mortgage settlement deal with the Too Big To Fail banks. The big banks got bailed out by the rest of us and their big shots were rewarded with huge bonuses for leading us into the Great Recession.

"Basically, (the banks) just haven't been treating consumers very well" is the quote from the AG representative in Marshall Friday. With Washington establishment failure to protect the little guy, Koster at least did something. William K. Black (UMKC), who prosecuted S&L frauds and speaks nationally on financial white collar crime, gives Koster a thumbs up for trying.

-- Posted by former editor on Sat, Mar 31, 2012, at 2:53 AM


I agree 100%.

Well said mate!

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Mar 30, 2012, at 11:21 PM

I'll have to say you are a good man Eric. I don't think I would be as cool and collected if I had the bully pulpit. You know that some you can never satisfy and they have the right to voice that. We all make mistakes, and I love this speak out column. Keep up the good work.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Fri, Mar 30, 2012, at 10:40 PM

So is the MDN saying the story about Sweet Springs constitutes a story on the Barton case? Seems to me they just can't admit they were wrong and stand up and do the right thing. The end.

-- Posted by BellyJeans on Fri, Mar 30, 2012, at 8:40 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
I did admit I was wrong. I posted to Speak Out: "I did not know Jay Barton was serving as Sweet Springs city attorney. That changes the situation regarding the suspension of his license." -- Posted by Eric Crump on Thu, Mar 29, 2012, at 8:15 AM

I then added a brief explanation to the Sweet Springs Board of Aldermen story. Unlike the Ehler case, we posted a link to the court findings that explain the situation in detail.

with all due respect eric, a few lines in a story about sweet springs is not a story about the barton case. lol.

-- Posted by hunterfisher on Fri, Mar 30, 2012, at 5:49 PM

when as man has nothing he reverts to sarcasm, been there myself plenty of times too eric.

-- Posted by hunterfisher on Fri, Mar 30, 2012, at 5:32 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
No sarcasm intended.

lol bellyjeans. good point.

-- Posted by hunterfisher on Fri, Mar 30, 2012, at 5:15 PM

Oh, I don't know, maybe a story on the Barton case??

-- Posted by BellyJeans on Fri, Mar 30, 2012, at 5:04 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:

i for one love the lively discussion on local topics. it beats what's usually discussed on speak out which is sports scores, youtube videos, how big someone's tomatoes are this year and what's the weather like.

keep up the good work posters!

if you don't like what's being posted or think it has been beat to death, skip over it. that's what i do.

-- Posted by hunterfisher on Fri, Mar 30, 2012, at 4:59 PM

So what more do you want or expect?

What question hasn't been answered, with the answer you wanted or otherwise?

What hasn't been discussed, beat up, and discussed again?

-- Posted by Tigers/Owls4Life96 on Fri, Mar 30, 2012, at 3:51 PM

Maybe I am one of the people the so-called policy has affected. Or I could be in the future. I am just trying to stand for what I believe to be fair and equal treatment of the citizens of our little town.

-- Posted by BellyJeans on Fri, Mar 30, 2012, at 3:19 PM

I agree Tigers/Owls4Life96. That was my point earlier on.

-- Posted by OwlsSupporter on Fri, Mar 30, 2012, at 2:31 PM

I understand that, but shouldn't the people it affects complain, rather than people not affected?

1 story ran, 1 didn't. The question was asked "why", the answer was given repeatedly.

What's left to discuss?

-- Posted by Tigers/Owls4Life96 on Fri, Mar 30, 2012, at 1:30 PM


It is called fair and equal treatment of all, which is reason for this discussion.

-- Posted by BellyJeans on Fri, Mar 30, 2012, at 12:36 PM

True, the editor doesn't make the policies on his own, but the people on this blog frequently hold him responsible for those decisions.

SO, different editor means a likely different approach and different opinion on which/what stories are newsworthy, despite the fact that the publisher remained the same.

-- Posted by koeller77 on Fri, Mar 30, 2012, at 11:51 AM

For those still fixating on complaining, how does it change your individual quality of life? Just curious.

-- Posted by Tigers/Owls4Life96 on Fri, Mar 30, 2012, at 11:30 AM


I don't believe anyone ever said the editor makes the policies. And, Eric himself said that he and his boss discuss whether or not a story makes the paper.

-- Posted by BellyJeans on Fri, Mar 30, 2012, at 11:14 AM

Cosa Nostra:

In 2005, Eric was not editor-in-chief. That probably explains the policy discrepancy.

-- Posted by koeller77 on Fri, Mar 30, 2012, at 9:19 AM

"Owls 3-0 for first time in 10 years"


Great game Owls!

I sure wish I could have been there to see that game.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Mar 30, 2012, at 2:45 AM


"Howlin' Wolf"


-- Posted by news across on Thu, Mar 29, 2012, at 6:54 PM

ChickenPotpie, the slogan was not fear mongering, it referenced the political atmosphere around the time that Missouri became a state. You may remember reading about the "States Rights' issues vs Federal policies and slavery that lead to the Civil War.

-- Posted by John Q. on Thu, Mar 29, 2012, at 6:49 PM

Big E,

Yup, folks that make their living in the public eye are definitely fair game.

"Down Home Shakedown"


-- Posted by news across on Thu, Mar 29, 2012, at 6:18 PM

I did not know Jay Barton was serving as Sweet Springs city attorney. That changes the situation regarding the suspension of his license.


-- Posted by Eric Crump on Thu, Mar 29, 2012, at 8:15 AM

Go Tennis!

-- Posted by Tigers/Owls4Life96 on Thu, Mar 29, 2012, at 1:01 AM

Saturday, 11AM, Marshall High School Baseball Field.

Come out and watch the Owls take on Conference foe Hannibal. Pack the stands, bring a lawn chair, come support your Owls!!!!!!

-- Posted by Tigers/Owls4Life96 on Wed, Mar 28, 2012, at 10:38 PM

Good Lord, are we still talking about the Barton deal? What is there left to discuss at this point?

-- Posted by Tigers/Owls4Life96 on Wed, Mar 28, 2012, at 10:36 PM

I posted this on one of the political blogs.

When a person is elected to public office they have to take an oath. They are all pretty much the same with a few words added or in a different order for some states.

You see all kinds of statements on state flags to state seals. I think we need to hold all elected officials accountable just to what is on the Missouri State Seal. In the middle of the seal is the state slogan. You will see two bears standing with the words "United We Stand Divided We Fall". I think that sould also apply to everyone who is elected to national office anywhere in this country. At the bottom of the state seal their is a phrase written in Latin that is our state motto; it says "Salus Populi Suprema Lex Esto".

Translated it says "The Welfare Of The People Shall Be The Supreme Law.

It doesn't appear that a lot of the elected people in Washington and Jefferson City subscribe to this thought.

-- Posted by John Q. on Wed, Mar 28, 2012, at 8:55 PM

A legendary song by a legendary singer-song writer, Mr. Neil Young:



-- Posted by news across on Wed, Mar 28, 2012, at 5:03 PM


Its been awhile since one of my comments mysteriously disappeared, I guess I was due for one...lol.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Mar 28, 2012, at 4:52 PM

So ChickenPotpie what makes a product that is legal shady?

-- Posted by Gal66 on Wed, Mar 28, 2012, at 2:06 PM

Preemptive blogging, Eric?

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Wed, Mar 28, 2012, at 1:29 PM

I've gotten two anonymous tips suggesting a police officer was arrested in a drug bust. That's correct, but it was not a Marshall officer. The officer was not a member of a Saline County law enforcement agency.

-- Posted by Eric Crump on Wed, Mar 28, 2012, at 10:45 AM


I agree, but I am sure MDN's response to that would be that she was actually charged with a crime. Personally I don't understand why the paper publishes names of people charged with crimes either. I really don't care because those crimes don't affect me in any way. Just gives this town something else to gossip about.

-- Posted by BellyJeans on Wed, Mar 28, 2012, at 9:52 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
That's partially correct. It also has to do with the severity of the crime. In the case you're referring to, the person was charged with 13 counts of class C felony forgery and one count of class B felony stealing more than $25,000.

Freshman/Sophomore game on Thursday at home, 430pm.

Great win tonight Owls, stay together, the sky is the limit!!!

-- Posted by Tigers/Owls4Life96 on Wed, Mar 28, 2012, at 12:12 AM

What I have learned... you have to have a business license to get away with keeping the better of 7,000 & not be charged with a felony in Saline County. & I guess~ I wouldn't be concidered a "private citizen" if I get caught hiding, let's say, my mother's money. You can bet my name is mud & it would be published right there on the front page of the MDN.

Just ask the gal from the heating & cooling company. That was public record & wrote about a couple of times. I guess she wasn't concidered a "private citizin" either.

-- Posted by nomad on Tue, Mar 27, 2012, at 11:43 PM

Owls Win!

10-4 over Boonville!

No game Thursday?

Saturday vs. Hannibal at 11:00am, MHS Field.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Tue, Mar 27, 2012, at 7:55 PM


Game Today, Tuesday, 5:00pm v. Booneville at MHS Field!

Thursday v. Grain Valley, 4:30pm, MHS!


-- Posted by Smart Dog on Tue, Mar 27, 2012, at 3:53 PM

One more thing and then I will shut up. Quit feeling sorry for him. He made his choices, now he has to live them. If this had been some 22 yr old stealing money to buy drugs not one of you would be feeling sorry for him. In fact, some would want to put him in prison and throw away the key.

-- Posted by BellyJeans on Tue, Mar 27, 2012, at 3:49 PM

If anyone else had stolen that money they would have been charged. Period. Once again, it comes down to who you are and who you know in this town.

-- Posted by BellyJeans on Tue, Mar 27, 2012, at 3:26 PM

Actually I totally agree with you, yes America is grand, and yes we need to speak up when we see wrong. That is why I posted. You have every right to speak up and say what is on your mind, my objection is, that we decide when we are truly standing up for what is right and when we have went to far. I know both parties that were wronged, and I believe they spoke up and asked for justice, I believe he is being made to also pay those people back, now we must all decide is this,after we have spoke our mind, about how we feel, when do we be adults and let it go, and let justice work or not work. You and I have no idea what is going on behind the scenes, we will never know the whole story behind all of it. Believe me I speak up. A very wise person once told me,speak up for what you believe in but always remember when it is time to stop so you don't look like a fool. It is wonderful we can speak out, but enough is enough. I think and also respect your opinion that you think a crime has been done. How many times does that have to be posted.If this had happened to you, I would totally understand, but it didnt.If those families involved speak up about THEIR feelings of injustice, then lets back them.I want to say again, I respect your feelings on this,what MY opinion is about this is lets not go over board on it.

-- Posted by OwlsSupporter on Tue, Mar 27, 2012, at 2:31 PM

And just think ChickenPotpie at one time Jay Barton was the head man on the board of Education!

-- Posted by Gal66 on Tue, Mar 27, 2012, at 2:28 PM

I see that the relegation to the back page issue is resolved. Curiously my comment that could not get to the front page is now missing. What a coincidence.

You have the right to censor comments. I don't believe my comment was slanderous, libelous, nor anything more than raising issues. At no point did I accuse Mr. Barton of anything. I merely asked questions in the pursuit of truth.

I disagree with your decision to strike my comment. My ability to protest that is limited, but I shall avail myself of what measures that I can.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Mar 27, 2012, at 2:04 PM

"I am just making sure I take care of myself and what goes on in my life, and let others worry about themselves."

Some times we have a greater duty to society than that. Granted, each of us decide individually what such greater duties are. I am pretty sure that speaking against other's right to speak is not one of those greater duties. On the other hand, speaking out when it appears an unprosecuted crime may have occured probably is.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Mar 27, 2012, at 1:50 PM

This is not about sweeping things under the rug, I am pretty sure that after reading these posts, it is not being swept under the rug,I guess my question is, who is he held accountable to? You, me, Marshall Missouri. Actually, he is held accountable to those people who were wronged, himself, his family and God, that is it. With all due respect to all. Those people who were wronged, are the only ones, besides his family, that should be interested in what is going on now, frankly, it is none of my business. I am so sorry to those people who were wronged, but they are the ones that need to be asking for justice, not you or me. No sweeping under the rug, I am just making sure I take care of myself and what goes on in my life, and let others worry about themselves. If charges are to be filed, then let them, but it is not anyones business but theirs and those that are wronged, not the Marshall Democrat News Opinion blogs.

-- Posted by OwlsSupporter on Tue, Mar 27, 2012, at 1:20 PM

O. K.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Mar 27, 2012, at 1:04 PM

Why won't my comment responding to Miss Marple move to the front page of Speak Out, and instead remain relegated to the "all comments" section?

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Mar 27, 2012, at 12:50 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
It's based on the number of comments. At a certain predetermined point, the front page display cuts off and everything else is available under "all comments."

Ok Reader: I think Owl Supporter is right. I think it's time to stop discussing the Barton issue altogether. I said much earlier that there are many other issues that need this much attention. If you have questions for the prosecutor, call him.

-- Posted by Miss Marple on Tue, Mar 27, 2012, at 11:40 AM

Missouri Revised Statutes: Stealing--penalties.

570.030. 1. A person commits the crime of stealing if he or she appropriates property or services of another with the purpose to deprive him or her thereof, either without his or her consent or by means of deceit or coercion.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Mar 27, 2012, at 11:40 AM

Apparently we are going to lynch poor Mr. Barton right here in the MDN Speak Out blog, eh?

Who needs judicial review when we have public executions like this to guide our civic endeavors?

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Tue, Mar 27, 2012, at 11:34 AM

Re: Missouri embezzlement law; http://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/res...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Mar 27, 2012, at 11:31 AM

I am in no way saying that I agree with what Mr. Barton has done. What I am unsure about is, why we as people think it is ok to remark about it. Yes what he did was wrong, and I believe he has been suspended for 2 years. For any of us to speculate to what should have happened,is wrong. You have to remember that he has children, and while I think what he did was wrong,it is not our place to judge or decide what should be published or not published. Again, I am not defending him, I am saying enough is enough. It is almost like we feed off of others failures. It is ok to post about it, ask a question, but to keep going on and on about this is not right. Yes he should have made better choices, yes what he did was wrong. Yes he is paying for it, with a 2 year suspension. That may not make people happy, I understand that. I wish we would all think for just one minute, if that was us, a family member, would you want to keep it going on and on in a paper. Before you ask, no I am not a family member. Just a concerned Marshall citizen.

-- Posted by OwlsSupporter on Tue, Mar 27, 2012, at 11:30 AM

"In the latter part of 2007, Mr. Tomlin sold a house and forwarded a final payment

of $6,470.00 to Respondent Barton. App. 120-121 (T. 76-77). Barton did not deposit

any of the $6,470.00 into his trust account. App. 115 (T. 55), 121 (T. 78). Indeed, from

June through November of 2007, Respondent's client trust account reflected a negative

balance. App. 115 (T. 55). Although Respondent Barton told Ms. Wrisner that her exhusband

had sold the house, he never told her about Tomlin's payment of $6,470.00.

App. 127 (T. 103-104). He did not disburse any of the $6,470.00 to Ms. Wrisner; she

only found out about the money when informed by disciplinary counsel"

From the record. What do you make of that Ms. Marple?

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Mar 27, 2012, at 10:33 AM

I did read the entire complaint MissMarple, which is what prompted my questions. In most cases if you take money that is in entrusted to you by someone else, and you break the fiduciary trust by converting the entrustment to your own use it is a crime. Maybe not in this circumstance, hence the nature of my questions.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Mar 27, 2012, at 10:14 AM

@newsacross: Barton is not an "ex-lawyer." His license to practice has been suspended, not revoked. He has not been disbarred.

@Oklahoma Reader: Just a guess, but I'd say that Barton hasn't been charged with a crime because he didn't commit one, at least not in the eyes of local authorities. You may want to read the entire complaint and resolution for greater insight to the situation.

-- Posted by Miss Marple on Tue, Mar 27, 2012, at 5:50 AM


Right now, as these words are being typed, there is an ex-lawyer out there somewhere that would like to see you tarred and feathered lol.

However, you pose a most interesting question.

It would be interesting to hear from the local authorities on that one. It certainly looks to me to be a crime to steal a client's money. In fact, he may even be the subject of an investigation right now.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Mar 26, 2012, at 11:36 PM

A few questions occur to me that I have not seen in this discussion.

Firstly, under the Missouri Criminal Code what is the definition of embezzlement? Does Mr. Barton's mishandling of his client's money appear to fit that definition? If so, why has he not been criminally charged for the crime?

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Mar 26, 2012, at 10:46 PM


Calm down mate.

Its just a topic of discussion.

This matter would only become an issue if the MDN or some other publication actually ran a story on a private person's private affairs which would then most likely become a tort suit not the least of which would include a libel charge. And it would be a suit the publication would have a tough time defending against because truth is not an allowable defense when it involves libeling or slandering of a private person.

That makes all the difference in the World mate, because in the end that kind of thing all boils down to money -- and lots of it -- in the form of punitive damages.

The MDN clearly made the best decision both ethically and legally.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Mar 26, 2012, at 5:04 PM

Cheetah, we seldom disagree, but we are far apart on the Barton question. Barton was in private practice at the time his license was suspended. It's true that he is therefore an officer of the court. He is not, however, in any sense a public employee merely because he is subject to the scrutiny of the Missouri Supreme Court. If that is true, then there are thousands of other privately employed Missourians who meet similar criteria. You can check them out at this website:


These professions also require a state license and are subject to the scrutiny of a government agency. I'm almost certain that you really don't believe the loss of a professional license or suspension of all of those so employed would also have to be the subject of a story in the newspaper.

Barton's position was and is quite different from Gordon's, who WAS employed and paid by local taxpayers.

Names of those who ARE criminally charged appear in the paper routinely, sometimes as stories, sometime only as part of a list.

I doesn't seem to me that the paper has been at all inconsistent. If Barton is ever charged with a crime, his name should be in the paper with the rest of them; on that we can agree.

-- Posted by Miss Marple on Mon, Mar 26, 2012, at 4:30 PM


Oh were we discussing the public life of an elected public employee?

I don't think so.

Nice try, but no cigar mate.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Mar 26, 2012, at 3:40 PM

news across,

No offense, but I do have interest in public officials and thier ethical conduct, as do many others who live in this town and may find the occasion to be represented by them. If you don't want to read about it, skip it.

-- Posted by BellyJeans on Mon, Mar 26, 2012, at 10:23 AM

Personally, I have no interest in reading about this former attorney's private affairs.

Being from Marshall and being so far from home (literally the other side of the World), what I look for in my hometown paper is news of public interest, not interesting news about a private citizen's personal life.

If I want to read about folks' personal lives (or alien visitors from space or the latest Big Foot sighting}, I would go read the "National Enquirer" or the infamous "Daily Mail."

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Mar 26, 2012, at 12:49 AM


MDN covers what they want to cover. Period. That has been made very clear. They certainly manage to publish names of every person ever charged with a crime in this town. And, frankly I could care less about all of that. All anyone is saying here is that there should be consistency in what the paper covers, regardless of who it is. I don't know why MDN just can't stand up and be accountable and admit this is just wrong

-- Posted by BellyJeans on Sun, Mar 25, 2012, at 11:36 PM

Well put Red Dog. Big government don't pry enough we need more locals on the job.

Outsider that is funny I hadn't thought of that.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sun, Mar 25, 2012, at 8:00 PM

This is a small town newspaper, so with that being said it is going to be hard to cover anything. They just don't have the man power with that being said Eric is doing a great job with what he has.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Sun, Mar 25, 2012, at 5:19 PM

I was feeling guilty the other day about not doing enough to help the needy, so I've decided to organize a fundraiser to help Wal-Mart buy new wheels for their shopping carts. Apparently the high cost of having all their merchandise shipped over here from China has caused them to go to the cheaper multi-sided wheels instead of the more expensive round ones.

-- Posted by outsider on Sun, Mar 25, 2012, at 1:46 PM

I have said it before. I will say it again. Start your own newspaper if you don't like this one. You scream about bringing jobs to Marshall. This would be the perfect opportunity to do your part. It won't take much. A little money. A little time. A lot of paper and ink. You can do your own investigating. You can uncover the scandals. You can pry into people's lives.

This is the land of opportunity. Take advantage of it.

-- Posted by red dog on Sun, Mar 25, 2012, at 7:33 AM

Thumbs up on the editor's allowing discussion on the Barton vs. Ehler news issue. I agree with Marple that the Ehler disbarment had more public record information behind it and was more serious than suspension, therefore justified more coverage. Eric is trying to do a good job here and is allowing more discussion than many people in his position would.

-- Posted by former editor on Sat, Mar 24, 2012, at 9:09 AM

Well, excuse me, BellyJeans, here's the problem...he has been a practicing attorney for more than 20 years. Hasn't done anything else in that time, I'd imagine. His wife, if I am not mistaken, worked in his office. So both of them are out of work. That's a pretty tough row to hoe, wouldn't you say? I didn't say he couldn't work or wouldn't work. I said it would be hard. It's tough to lose your job, tougher still if two people in the same family are out of work. In that, he is not alone these days. Doesn't make it any easier.

-- Posted by Miss Marple on Fri, Mar 23, 2012, at 9:54 PM

Excuse me Miss Marple but, why can't he go out and find another job?????? Seems to me there are a lot of people that complain about those on welfare and receiving food stamps getting jobs. Why, is he any different?

-- Posted by BellyJeans on Fri, Mar 23, 2012, at 9:19 PM

Barton's right to practice has been suspended. It's not as if he can run out and easily find another job, especially in a small town. That seems to me to be more than sufficient punishment without the newspaper's "help."

When a private citizen is fired at, say, ConAgra, Cargill, or any other employer, the newspaper does not publish that information. This situation is no different. Barton is no longer a public official, and the situations for which he was suspended did not involve public funds or any public purpose at all.

This does not compare to the Ehlers case. She was disbarred, not suspended, and it was not her first time at the rodeo, either. She engaged in improper behavior when she was on probation for the same behavior. At the time of her disbarment, she was a sitting prosecuting attorney, albeit elsewhere, another key difference.

Unless you all are without flaws, find something else to talk about. Perhaps you could spend your energy on solving the problem of child hunger in Saline County - a much more worthy topic and one urgently in need of a solution.

-- Posted by Miss Marple on Fri, Mar 23, 2012, at 8:52 PM

That seems like a fair and just policy to me Eric.

From a legal and ethical viewpoint, its the wisest course to follow.

I particularly like your objective test process for determining whether or not the story crosses the threshold set by the criteria.

Its a sound approach.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Mar 23, 2012, at 7:18 PM


Not to beat a dead horse, but I would like you tell us why there was never a story done on Mr. Barton and his suspension. I am sure you are hoping this too will just be forgotten but it won't be. Thanks

-- Posted by BellyJeans on Fri, Mar 23, 2012, at 3:07 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Mr. Barton's infractions occurred as part of his private practice. Whenever a case like this comes up, we ask ourselves (I consult with my boss) whether we would do a story if the name was different. If it was John Doe instead of Jay Barton, would it be a story? If the answer is no, we don't pursue the story. If the answer is yes, we do. In this case, the answer was no. If this situation had become a criminal matter or if it involved Mr. Barton's role as a government official, the answer would have been different.

Dang it Smokin' Cheetah I asked you because your better at putting your thoughts into a post than I will ever be, but then along came born-n-raised

and put one of the best post's ever on this site.

Well done both of you.

I don't have any kids in Marshall Schools but I do have grandkids and I am going to make sure parents see this thats for sure.

-- Posted by Gal66 on Fri, Mar 23, 2012, at 12:58 PM

I don't know what Cheetah learned, but what I learned about Marshall Schools is alarming. I urge everyone to check out the link that Cheetah provided. It is a painful read. I read the achievement scores from the past 4 years for Marshall Schools and all of the schools in neighboring districts, including Sweet Springs, Slater, Santa Fe and Sedalia. Marshall isn't just DEAD LAST; it's SIGNIFICANTLY behind all of these other school districts. WHY??????? What are these other school districts doing differently?

I have children in Marshall Schools, and I feel like they are being cheated. I'm angry. EVERYONE in Marshall should be angry. We deserve to know why our children are not performing as well as other children in surrounding areas.

Having said all that, I acknowledge that administrators and teachers are fully aware of the poor performances and they ARE making efforts to improve those scores. I guess we will find out next year if the new math curriculum has had any impact. I also know there is a "task force" trying to develop a new communication arts program. Let's hope they develop something effective.

Fellow citizens of Marshall, our children DESERVE better. We, as citizens, tax payers, and parents need to demand better. Parents, we must be involved in the education of our children. It is our responsibility. Be involved, be aware, and ENCOURAGE your children to want more, be more, and expect more.

I, for one, will be monitoring the school district's progress very closely. Even more, I will be watching MY children's progress closely.

Again, I urge everyone to read the link that Cheetah provided. It's time to wake up.

-- Posted by born-n-raised on Fri, Mar 23, 2012, at 12:24 PM

So Cheetah what did you learn?

-- Posted by Gal66 on Fri, Mar 23, 2012, at 9:44 AM

Rain, rain, go away!!!

Looking bleek for baseball today.

-- Posted by Tigers/Owls4Life96 on Fri, Mar 23, 2012, at 7:56 AM


Yes, I'd call it a case of meeting yourself coming while you're going. Should keep you out of mischief, at least for the time being. :)

Yep, growing old is not for the faint of heart.

Nope, no strong winds around here. Is that more erroneous info put out by the Weather Channel?

Heard any commentary on the Senior trip to S.D.? When my class was deciding (arguing) about where we were going, Principal Geo. M. Kendrick said, "As I see it you have three choices: you can go to Washington, D.C., Denver, CO, or Saline city." He always thought of himself as a comedian, but many of us thought about him another way.

Keep the faith!

-- Posted by Slater on Thu, Mar 22, 2012, at 11:44 PM

Fulton Honey Bees tomorrow at 5pm at MHS.

I like our chances.

Go Owls!

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Thu, Mar 22, 2012, at 5:41 PM

Well, it was supposed to be at 5 but the game has been cancelled.

Darn the luck.

So it looks like tomorrow at 5 will be the season opener instead.

-- Posted by Tigers/Owls4Life96 on Thu, Mar 22, 2012, at 3:31 PM

What time Tigers/Owls4Life96?

-- Posted by Gal66 on Thu, Mar 22, 2012, at 2:16 PM

Owls baseball home opener tonight!!!! Come out and show some support.

-- Posted by Tigers/Owls4Life96 on Thu, Mar 22, 2012, at 2:09 PM

Now that Bartons ethics have come into question

I wonder how many criminal defense attorneys will be looking back at the cases they had in Saline county while Barton was the assistant prosecuting attorney?

-- Posted by Gal66 on Thu, Mar 22, 2012, at 1:16 PM


You are right, it would have been a crime. And any other persons name would have been on the front page of the paper before a conviction. I have never thought it fair to publish people's names before they are convicted.

-- Posted by BellyJeans on Wed, Mar 21, 2012, at 10:43 PM

Well I read the finding that resulted in Mr. Barton's loss of his license for two years. Yes I think this should have been covered in the paper and I am wondering why it wasn't. I am also wondering why all he gets is loss of his license for two years. If you or I took someones money that wasn't intended for our use it would have been called a crime. Something isn't right here. My opinion of Mr. Barton isn't very high after reading the finding. My opinion of the MDN isn't very high either.

-- Posted by momaster on Wed, Mar 21, 2012, at 10:10 PM


I think you are missing the point. Why didn't MDN report on this?

-- Posted by Jessa on Wed, Mar 21, 2012, at 10:04 PM

Cosa Nostra,

The link to Mr. Barton's misdeeds was posted yesterday. It's there for you or anyone else to read, in detail. I don't see any need for Eric to pile on at this point. That being said; I think Mr. Barton's role in Dr. Gordons hearing is fair game. My recollection is that he chose to wear his attorney's hat that night as opposed to that of School Board President. The board had the services of an attorney who was present, to make sure that the hearing was properly conducted. From the beginning Mr Barton continually refused to let Dr. Gordon or his attorney make a statement. It was one interruption after another. They finally left in frustration. Mr. Barton may have been technically correct, but I'm not sure the majority of those in attendance saw it that way. In fact, he lost his bid for reelection to the board in the next election.

-- Posted by Bcat on Wed, Mar 21, 2012, at 8:52 PM

Cosa Nostra,

Names have everything to do with it. At least, in Marshall, Mo.

-- Posted by Jessa on Wed, Mar 21, 2012, at 6:49 PM

I second what Marshall Man said Cosa Nosta!! Well said and soooo true!!

-- Posted by BellyJeans on Wed, Mar 21, 2012, at 4:09 PM

Very well put Cosa Nostra, but I think you have been around here long enough to know, that's Marshall!!!! Keep it up, they can't handle the truth...

-- Posted by Marshall Man on Wed, Mar 21, 2012, at 3:57 PM


Glad to hear you didn't get blown away!

Everything is kind of crazy right now, M-O-L, now age 92 living with us after a fall and injury; my dad having to go to the VA several times for appointments with about 6 different doctors that I have to take him, the store, the farm....planting season is upon the hubs and he thinks that now I am capable again...ha! So I really haven't been not busy! To be honest, I'm quite surprised that we are both holding up! LOL! Faith, determination, stubborness, prayers.....I have been calling on all!

-- Posted by nouveaublogger on Wed, Mar 21, 2012, at 3:20 PM

Hey Eric looks like you may need to hire Scarpetta as a investigative reporter.

-- Posted by Gal66 on Wed, Mar 21, 2012, at 10:25 AM

Smokin', I am sure that Eric is preparing an article on this. It seems newsworthy, don't you think?

-- Posted by missy08 on Wed, Mar 21, 2012, at 10:17 AM

HUGE conference win tonight Owls!!! Way to go!!!

-- Posted by Tigers/Owls4Life96 on Wed, Mar 21, 2012, at 1:01 AM


All is well around here, thank you for asking. And how are things with you? Hubs still downstairs flipping the burgers? :)

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, Mar 21, 2012, at 12:09 AM

Eesh kinda glad he was closed when I needed an attorney...

-- Posted by Scarpetta on Tue, Mar 20, 2012, at 10:46 PM


How have you weathered the weather in San Antonio. Are you and your family okay?

-- Posted by nouveaublogger on Tue, Mar 20, 2012, at 2:31 PM

Eric, I was wondering what was going on in our community? I went to a lawyer's office uptown and he was closed. When I googled his name it said something about him loosing his license for two years? Can you shed some light on this?

-- Posted by Marshallgirl71 on Tue, Mar 20, 2012, at 1:36 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
According to casenet, James P. Barton was suspended March 6. No other details are provided. I'm afraid that's all I know about the situation.

Great season opener by our Marshall Owls Friday night in Pleasant Hill.

Here's to hoping this years baseball campaign is filled with success.

-- Posted by Tigers/Owls4Life96 on Tue, Mar 20, 2012, at 8:14 AM

Happy St Patrick's Day to all. On point: why the Irish really came here, and why we don't tell our students. http://www.commondreams.org/view/2012/03...

It is not really strange that "the hunger of 800 million happens at the same time as another historical first: that they are outnumbered by the one billion people on this planet that are overweight."

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Mar 17, 2012, at 10:30 PM


In your comment you ask an interesting question and here is 1 possible explanation.

Since the time when the Republican Justices on the Supreme Court appointed George W. Bush to the White House, all American Presidents have utilized dictatorial powers when they deem it necessary -- including the torture or murder of American citizens -- for "national security" reasons.

This is because the Federal Courts have ruled that the Courts cannot even hear a case if the sitting President claims the case involves National Security.

When a President can order the murder of any American citizen, legally and without court review, you have a President who can do anything he wants.

When a President has the absolute power over the life and death of every American citizen, all the other power is his absolutely.

Just because 1 sitting dictator allows the election of a possible new dictator to go forward does not make it any less a dictatorship.

If Obama declared that due to national security there will be no election, the Courts could not review the matter, and any politician opposing his decision(s) in Congress (such as calling for his impeachment) could very quickly find themselves the target of a military death squad...for national security reasons of course...and no court can review it or do anything about it.

You may want to learn to adjust to the new American approach to democracy. Its what happens when you trade a little bit of liberty for a little bit security.

"Anwar Al-Awlaki Rulling"


*The Case of Anwar al-Awlaki v. Barack H. Obama"


"Obama argues his assassination program is a 'state secret"



-- Posted by news across on Sat, Mar 17, 2012, at 5:09 PM

New facility in Utah with mega storage capacity for technological communication: emails, cell phones, etc. It's NSA's Utah Data Center to be up and running with essentially warantless searches of private information Sept. 2013. How did this happen?


-- Posted by former editor on Sat, Mar 17, 2012, at 4:10 PM

Nana dot "... the US is almost a 'turn-key totalitarian state'..."

The Utah project is just an upgrading of the "Echelon Project" which has been going on for years. Computers flagging key words on all telephone, internet and cell phone communications.

-- Posted by John Q. on Sat, Mar 17, 2012, at 12:16 PM

Nana Dot, are you saying that Obama is our anointed dictator?

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Sat, Mar 17, 2012, at 11:03 AM

Honey Bee die off linked to corn insecticides.


-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Mar 17, 2012, at 12:33 AM

So Eric,

What is the reason we can't comment on the story about the wreck????????

-- Posted by Jessa on Fri, Mar 16, 2012, at 3:24 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:

Is there going to be a MHS baseball preview?

-- Posted by SlapHappy on Thu, Mar 15, 2012, at 8:54 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Yes. It will be in today's paper.

The Economic Development meeting last night -- hosted by MSDC -- was great! I encourage everyone to attend the next meeting (March 27 at the Martin Community Center) to put in your two cents worth. That way, the plan can address what the community sees as the important issues.

-- Posted by Amy Crump on Wed, Mar 14, 2012, at 11:33 AM

Don't live on gravel road, but cars fly by my house, never stop at stopsign at corner, we have several children that live and play on our two block street. We do not have side walks and for the most part they stay in yards to play, but can not ride bikes thru yards, so they have to be in street. It is really scary when a car will not slow down when they see a child on a bike. and visabilaty is very good.

The children do not ride in middle of street, some cars seem to see how close they can get to them as they fly by.

Summer is almost here, which means the children will be out all day, you just have to pray no one gets hit,

-- Posted by buttons on Wed, Mar 14, 2012, at 9:08 AM

I went outside to enjoy the weather. My granddaughter and I were pulling weeds from around an electric pole, when a truck came by on the gravel road and launched a rock up and hit me on the calf of my leg leaving a big goose egg. There is a 45 mile an hour speed limit on gravel roads, who enforces that? I feel certain this guy had to be going 60. I am glad it didn't hit my granddaughter! We saw the truck coming and stepped back too. Where has common courtousy gone? That guy had to see us there! I know if I am traveling the gravel road and I see someone mowing or working in the yard near the road I slow down.

-- Posted by meagain on Tue, Mar 13, 2012, at 5:38 PM

Hey MDN, just my opinion but I would love to see the cook of the week feature brought back. Thanks.

-- Posted by springvinnie on Tue, Mar 13, 2012, at 1:47 PM

Ugh.... I always wait one day too long.......

-- Posted by luvthoseowls on Mon, Mar 12, 2012, at 3:10 PM

Well, that was short-lived. Gas this morning was at 3.60-something.

-- Posted by Amy Crump on Mon, Mar 12, 2012, at 11:24 AM

CPP I have believed for most of my life (based on personal observation) what Dunning-Kruger have tested. Thanks. I would not have been aware of the validation, were it not for your link.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Mar 11, 2012, at 11:35 PM

I've been in Kansas City (MO and KS) twice this week; the second time was today. Gas prices are 15 to 17 cents higher than Marshall! Enjoy it while you can.

-- Posted by Amy Crump on Sun, Mar 11, 2012, at 10:52 PM

"U.S. soldier kills 16 Afghan civilians"

"We call this an intentional act," Karzai said.

He said the dead included four men, three women and nine children, calling the killings "acts of terror and unforgivable." Another five people were wounded, he said."





-- Posted by news across on Sun, Mar 11, 2012, at 9:10 PM


But who will save them from America?

Many countries citizens, who are our allies, are asking...and answering...that question ...and many are in the quiet, subtle, slow process of establishing much closer ties to China and Russia.

Even Australia, traditionally America's closest ally, is moving in that direction and doing so at a visibly high rate. While our ties with America are still very strong, those times appear to be changing.




Given America's vicious, unjustifiable invasions of so many 3rd World countries who were no military threat to America (and now appear to many people in the World to have been unlawful, immoral wars of aggression designed to seize control of those nations' natural resources) and which the US coerced, brow-beat, and diplomatically intimidated their traditional allies into supporting, its no surprise so many folks are re-evaluating their relationships with the USA.

And then there are all those human rights violations by the USA.

Its no surprise so many folks regard the USA to be the biggest threat to World peace, human rights, and democracy that the World has faced since the pre-war days of NAZI Germany. As a result, many citizens in the EU and the British Commonwealth are now demanding alternatives to the "American solution" and finding those alternatives in China and Russia.

One thing is for sure mate, the USA needs the rest of the World a lot more than the rest of the World needs the USA.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Mar 11, 2012, at 6:53 PM

You just have to complain, don't you. They outght to rename this the ***** column.

-- Posted by momaster on Sun, Mar 11, 2012, at 6:20 PM

Norway and all those other "nice" little countries don't need to spend anything on military. They know the United States will protect them.

-- Posted by outsider on Sun, Mar 11, 2012, at 5:40 PM

Here's something for all you gas price complainers to think about.Our avg gas price is about $3.53 per gallon right now. In Norway, where they are major producers of North Sea oil, the price is over $9.00 per gallon. http://money.cnn.com/2011/03/10/news/int...

-- Posted by momaster on Sun, Mar 11, 2012, at 4:32 PM

Whew I'm glad we won't get the pipeline now Nana so the increase in gas prices will be totally 'unintentional'. I'm glad you cleared that up. I would hate to think that Obama would intentionally want the price of gas to go up.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sun, Mar 11, 2012, at 3:13 PM

"Whistleblowers: 70 percent of U.S. ground beef contains 'pink slime"





-- Posted by news across on Fri, Mar 9, 2012, at 7:35 PM

I bet Limbaugh would approve of insurance paying for Viagra!

-- Posted by born-n-raised on Fri, Mar 9, 2012, at 11:02 AM

Boorish behavior is inexcusable, regardless of which side of the aisle you are on.

Additionally, wouldn't blasting Obama for not commenting on something one talking head said about another talking head be akin to blasting Boehner for not criticizing what Limbaugh said about, say, Pelosi? Like that would ever happen.

Not really the same thing at all regarding Limbaugh's 3-day tasteless personal assault on someone who exercised her right to appear and testify in a congressional hearing. I don't believe Sandra Fluke was in it for the fame or money, she was testifying as someone affected by health insurers unwillingness to pay for birth control pills.

Pretty sure we can't say the same thing about Bachmann or Palin, who are the subjects discussed in your link, rr3.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Fri, Mar 9, 2012, at 8:38 AM

Does anybody realize that Limbaugh has had 4 wives and no children himself. His wives must have been using some form of contraceptives. Why would this guy go after a private citizen for expressing her view when clearly he has been ok with the use of contraceptives.

-- Posted by cheesehead on Fri, Mar 9, 2012, at 8:28 AM

Obama Supporters Worse than Limbaugh but No One Cares


-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Fri, Mar 9, 2012, at 5:43 AM


I checked the links - not one word about a private citizen in there.

I guess attacking and slandering private citizens on public airwaves is exclusively a conservative thing.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Mar 9, 2012, at 12:29 AM


The man went on a three day orgy of insults and crucified a college student. If that had been you daughter, how would you feel? Don't give me the "well others have said bad things so this excuses my bad behavior" arguement. Would let your children get away with that arguement? If so then maybe it wouldn't bother you if Rush spent three days calling your college student daughter a slut,a prostitute and demanding she make explicit video tapes for him to watch. On national radio.Is that really your arguement? To defend the indefensible?

Enough already.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, Mar 9, 2012, at 12:01 AM


Rush is getting what he deserves.

His top 17 customers have abandoned him, and his tirade against a private citizen is just another example of conservative morality -- "Do as I say, not as I do."

When you claim the moral high ground but wallow with pigs, you can expect that the American People will eventually kick you to the curb...and rightly so.

The Republicans will learn soon -- in November -- what We the People think of conservative "leadership."

"You may fool all the people some of the time, you can even fool some of the people all of the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all the time."

Abraham Lincoln

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Mar 8, 2012, at 11:40 PM

Heh heh...One would wonder, Smart Dog.

-- Posted by Slater on Thu, Mar 8, 2012, at 11:14 PM

I laugh at the outrage of people who have of Rush, at the same time irealize you have thee right to be outrage just don't be selective about it.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Thu, Mar 8, 2012, at 11:13 PM


You assume he has one left after all the Oxy and liquor?

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Thu, Mar 8, 2012, at 5:45 PM


I'd like to hear your thoughts about Payton Manning, and maybe your projection for MU's success in the tournament.

Also, I'd be interested in seeing the PET scan of Limbaugh's brain in comparison with a a few adjudged to be normal.

-- Posted by Slater on Thu, Mar 8, 2012, at 4:29 PM


Brilliant retort. Sounds like your reading that verbatim off a FOX site. Even if your have a valid point this does not excuse Rush. Would you let your children get away with that?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Thu, Mar 8, 2012, at 2:26 PM

What if we didn't talk about Rush Limbaugh or politics and started talking about sports? Like Peyton Manning or the college basketball bracket that's getting ready to come out.... Or heck, even soccer if we can't think of anything else!

-- Posted by luvthoseowls on Thu, Mar 8, 2012, at 1:30 PM

Where is the outrage when liberals call conservative women nasty names? Mostly silence and never an apology. The worst thing about Limbaugh's comments is that he brought himself down to their level so where is the equality?

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, Mar 8, 2012, at 11:13 AM

Actually, Nanadot, when I googled it, I found a HUGE amount of information about it - it was on Hannity Show, too.

However, I agree with you, it doesn't match the size nor scope of Limbaugh's comments. I was just giving news the links he asked for. ;-)

-- Posted by koeller77 on Thu, Mar 8, 2012, at 10:44 AM

News...here's a link to back up Jason's comments, including a direct link to the comments.



I have to say, even though I live in Wisconsin, I somehow missed this entire story last year. I'm not entirely sure how, to be honest!!!

-- Posted by koeller77 on Thu, Mar 8, 2012, at 9:13 AM


So say you...

Where are the links to your sources so we can verify the accuracy of your claims...

...and while your at it, which of those you listed are NOT people who make their living in the public eye?

Which of those you listed are private citizens and not politicians?

Politics is a rough game that comes with a big payoff and a lot of power. Those rich, famous folks knew what they were getting into and they apparently thought the benefits were well worth it when they chose that career.

They made that choice.

The private citizen never had a choice and 0 (zero)% of the benefits.

But right now I am just interested in seeing/hearing these terrible comments about the rich and powerful politicians you feel sink to the conservative level so well illustrated by Rush's comments. Show us the specific examples you cited. Let's see the links.

I bet I will probably find you are attempting to try and compare apples and oranges, sort-to-speak.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Mar 7, 2012, at 10:34 PM

The hypocracy of some people on the Rush thing is really sickening here are some examples of liberals doing this to conservative women and Keith Oberman has done a lot of this, Some of us have not forgotten when liberal Wisconsin radio host John "Sly" Sylvester outrageously accused GOP Lt. Gov. Rebecca Kleefisch of performing "******** on all the talk-show hosts in Milwaukee" and sneered that she had "pulled a train" (a crude phrase for gang sex). (Earlier, he called former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice a "black trophy" and "Aunt Jemima.")

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Wed, Mar 7, 2012, at 10:06 PM

Forget Rush Limbaugh- What about Peyton Manning??

-- Posted by luvthoseowls on Wed, Mar 7, 2012, at 4:57 PM

Rush's comments were totally inappropriate. Sadly, it is a phenomena that is equally at home on both the left and the right. Too bad both sides are blind to their stupidity.

-- Posted by inthemiddle on Wed, Mar 7, 2012, at 4:27 PM

I don't believe that Rush is even religious. He just uses it as a platform to promote himeself and his vile ideas.

Anyway Jason; some religions allow for multiple spouses. Some modern day religions consider witchcraft to be a part of their beliefs. Some allow for 'honor killings'. I don't belong to any of those, but they do exist. We have legislated against some of these things, but Jason, do you now argue that the government should allow honor killings in corporations where the owner is of that mindset?

Let's just quit making excuses for Rush, and try to minialize him somehow.

-- Posted by Interested Too on Wed, Mar 7, 2012, at 3:25 PM

I'd sure like to see the Chiefs snatch up Peyton Manning.... if he's healthy! Can you even imagine!!!

-- Posted by luvthoseowls on Wed, Mar 7, 2012, at 2:01 PM

Dig into the core of most of our problems and you'll probably find it's rooted in religion.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Mar 7, 2012, at 1:45 PM

My question is is the right to have contraception more important than the company's owner right to freedom of religonm, I say not, what gives someone the right to say you must do this even if it goes against your religon. Kind of sounds like a intolerant stance.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Wed, Mar 7, 2012, at 1:31 PM

To call the issue of Limbaugh slandering someone publicly multiple times over several days poliitcal is foolish. It's just plain old bad behavior from an immature, whiny baby-boomer who thinks his opinions are facts.

Doesn't matter what your politics are, that is an actionable offense as well as in extremely bad taste.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Wed, Mar 7, 2012, at 7:47 AM


If you think name calling and bad behaviour are political, you are very correct.

However, this comment line was begun asking about how people responded to Rush's badness, not his politics. I don't believe that politics, per se, have been mentioned once in this series of comments, nor Rush's views on anything do do with politicians. We were discussing how he thinks he can get away with slandering a young lady who was only stating her mind on an issue. Do you think he should escape unscathed? That was the original intent.

-- Posted by Interested Too on Wed, Mar 7, 2012, at 5:45 AM

Yes Jason, and may you find your way there some day. All things are possible.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Mar 7, 2012, at 1:26 AM

I think talking about Rush is political, with that being said we do have a politacal speak out. Like I was told please feel free to use it thanks.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Tue, Mar 6, 2012, at 11:04 PM

ANY NEWs Agency or Politicians putting out information on anything better be accurate or be eliminated, Nothing taken out of context or a flat out lie! No excuses, No retractions. These people are Professionals,or should be! Police Officers are held too that standard,so there's no reason they can't be too!My Opinion!

-- Posted by Jo on Tue, Mar 6, 2012, at 5:12 PM


Skylar Wolf


-- Posted by news across on Tue, Mar 6, 2012, at 3:02 PM

Rush says he was trying to be humorous whereas Bill Maher actually is.....

-- Posted by What the f...... on Tue, Mar 6, 2012, at 2:37 PM

*Lawyer: Fluke could 'definitely' sue Limbaugh for slander"



-- Posted by news across on Tue, Mar 6, 2012, at 2:30 PM

There is a huge difference between public discourse of public issues and using the airwaves for a personal attack on a private citizen. The 2 are in completely different categories altogether.

Perhaps it would behoove those on the right and those in the middle of the road to stop taking their advice from drug addicts and folks who engage in the illicit trafficking of drugs. Perhaps now they will do the right thing and stop supporting -- at least financially -- that drug addict of the airwaves, Limbaugh.

No wonder America is headed to Hades in a hand-basket.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Mar 6, 2012, at 2:25 PM

So I guess the general consensus is that there is enough of a difference that people are treating Rush fairly and treated the Dixie Chicks unfairly.

I tend to agree with that, but wanted to see what others had to say.

In my opinion, there is no room for the type of talk Rush uses, or for that matter, Bill Maher. I would like to see discourse without the disgust.

-- Posted by Interested Too on Tue, Mar 6, 2012, at 1:54 PM

Smart Dog,

There isn't. The right-wing drug addict has a zero chance of defending himself in court on this one.

She has a very strong tort case against that right-wing drug addict.

In fact, he committed several torts.

I bet he has already agreed to a settlement.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Mar 6, 2012, at 1:51 PM

What possible truth defense could there be for calling a private citizen a slut or wh*re in front of all 12 of his listeners multiple times over a 3 day period?

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Tue, Mar 6, 2012, at 1:40 PM

"Limbaugh blasts 'overeducated' young single white women"


It would appear he is at it again.

Why on Earth would anyone give the opinion of a hard-core drug addict who admitted to trafficking in drugs any credence?

Its time for that sleaze-bag to retire.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Mar 6, 2012, at 1:35 PM

Absolutely correct OKR!

The principle difference is in the defense.

Truth is not normally an allowable defense in a slander or liable case which involves slander or liable of a private citizen who does not make their living in the public eye.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Mar 6, 2012, at 1:28 PM

Falwell v. Flynt http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/ge...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Mar 6, 2012, at 1:20 PM

Slander, and libel laws are different for public figures than average people. Considerably less restrictive concerning public figures. Check out Falwell v. Flynt, you may find it informative.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Mar 6, 2012, at 1:15 PM


What could the Dixie Chicks possibly have to do with the likes of a foul-mouthed drug addict like Limbaugh?

Speaking out against immoral, wars of aggression is patriotism.

Launching public, slanderous, personal attacks on an innocent college student for personal and political gain is down-right evil {its also a tort}.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Mar 6, 2012, at 12:44 PM

Actually, my point was that I was wondering if the media, and the average Joe treated Rush's case any differently than the Dixie Chicks and whether it was fair treatment in either case.

I understand that there are peripheral issues, such as the ultimate legitimacy of the law itself.

My slant was whether these people should be censored, and Smart Dog gave a good legal example with the slander suggestion. Is it fair to cut back on sponsorships or have people clamor for stations to quit playing Dixie Chick songs or to have Rush taken off their station? I guess my opinion is that it IS fair, but I am not sure that it is warranted. Also, the shoe does seem to fit differently; depending on whose foot it is on.

Are these people given different treatment because they are celebrities? Is there a moral difference on how you treat (slander) a public figure vs. a college student?

Anyway, this is also potentially a 1st amendment issue. So, let's keep cussing and discussing it!

-- Posted by Interested Too on Tue, Mar 6, 2012, at 11:34 AM

Aye, Smart Dog!

-- Posted by Slater on Tue, Mar 6, 2012, at 10:45 AM

You are missing the real point. What this is all about is the president of the United States acting extra-constitutionally, mandating that Catholic churches and their schools provide contraceptives, abortifacients. He doesn't have that power constitutionally. He cannot mandate these things.

-- Posted by SlapHappy on Tue, Mar 6, 2012, at 10:29 AM

Perhaps we could create a "Hall of Infamous Missourians" and put old Rush in there along side the likes of Jesse James, William Quantrill, and Robert Berdella.

I believe that might be more a more appropriate honor.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Tue, Mar 6, 2012, at 10:13 AM

I'd sooner see Jim the Wonderdog, or Old Drum for that matter, in the Hall of Famous Missourians than that lying, hate spewing, Limbaugh character.

What a joke on all Missourians if we allow a partisian politician to place his name along side the likes of Harry Truman, George Caleb Bingham, Samuel Clemons, or George Washington Carver.

What a sad state our society is in that allows this sort of thing to occur. I encourage all who are disgusted by this action to speak up and be heard.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Tue, Mar 6, 2012, at 10:09 AM

Interested Too - oh, yes, Rush had PLENTY to say on the subject of the Dixie Chicks back in 2003. I can't find any transcripts right now, but I remember it well!

-- Posted by koeller77 on Tue, Mar 6, 2012, at 9:14 AM


I don't know mate.

I have never heard of anyone doing that.

I think perhaps the process of renouncing one's citizenship and the process of regaining one's citizenship may reveal the answer to your question.

Federal law mandates that in order to renounce ones citizenship an ex-pat must go to the American Embassy, in person, hand their American passport to the Ambassador and state verbally that they hereby renounce their citizenship.

To regain their citizenship they would need only apply for a new American Passport utilizing their certified birth certificate. Its that simple because the 14th Amendment guarantees the natural born American person's citizenship.

The bottom line is this, a natural born citizen is, for all intents and purposes, an American citizen forever. Any renunciation is meaningless.

So yeah such a person probably could run for President, but I think such would be as futile an act as the act of renunciation. After all, I doubt most of my fellow Americans would think much of a fellow or gal who renounces his or her citizenship then runs for President. I know such a person would certainly not get my vote.

Of course your question begs another question, who in their right mind would want to renounce their citizenship when such is unnecessary?

in my own opinion, for me, having 2 passports beats the heck out of 1. It gives one options.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Mar 6, 2012, at 2:39 AM

Thanks news across, I am aware of the birth requirements for president, but my question about my friend, was based on the fact that he had given up his US citizenship to become a citizen of Germany, but then was "naturalized" as an American citizen years later.

Even if you are a "natural born citizen," if you renounce your US citizenship, are you eligible to be president?

-- Posted by inthemiddle on Mon, Mar 5, 2012, at 8:45 PM

Believe Saline County will get Union Pacific steam engine no. 844 this month. Check their website and see if a steam locomotive is scheduled to stop at Malta Bend March 27 before noon and then steam on through to Boonville.

-- Posted by former editor on Mon, Mar 5, 2012, at 6:16 PM

Interested Too,

I don't think slander is considered free speech, which, from my view, is what Limbaugh has done.

Publicly calling someone a slut, or a wh*re, is not protected speech. Well, unless you are in Judge Cebull's courtroom, I reckon, where sexist slanderous humor "touches his heart."

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Mon, Mar 5, 2012, at 1:29 PM

St. Louis Post-Dispatch weighs in on the Jim Bill:


-- Posted by Eric Crump on Mon, Mar 5, 2012, at 12:45 PM

Does anyone see a correlation between the backlash against Rush Limbaugh and what happened to the Dixie Chicks years ago when they got in trouble for criticizing Bush?

Both lost some money that backs them.

Is this all political, or is there a 1st Amendment issue here as well?

I back no particular horse in this race; I just wonder what people think. It is nice that both examples come from opposite political venues. Does anyone remember if Rush had a comment on the Dixie Chicks losing some venues and backing from their incident?

-- Posted by Interested Too on Mon, Mar 5, 2012, at 9:40 AM

You Know what grinds my gears, people who dont use sidewalks. How am I supossed to read my paper in the morning if I have to watch for all the people who are walking down College street. They are always in the way. Lets put a sidewalk in or enforce jaywalking.

-- Posted by SlapHappy on Mon, Mar 5, 2012, at 9:20 AM

Hey George,

One man's trouble-maker is another man's soldier of truth.

Each to his own I guess...

Anyway, here is a nifty song you can listen to while you give it some thought.


-- Posted by news across on Sun, Mar 4, 2012, at 10:28 PM


Yeah, I understood you, and yeah I enjoyed your humor.

And yes you are correct, I thought it a good opportunity to expand on it.

I meant no offense at all my friend.

The thing is that every now and again some crazy down in Texas starts talking about seceding from the Union. Rick Perry came real close to calling for it awhile back, and when I heard about it I remember thinking how he oh-so-carefully chose his words. There is a line no Governor should ever cross and he knew that.

Anyway, I enjoyed your comment very much, and as always, you have a wonderful sense of humor.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Mar 4, 2012, at 10:05 PM


Apparently you missed the typo alert and the corrections notation in the comment immediately following the comment you apparently didn't read very carefully.

I clearly stated my position there.

Maybe you should scroll down and re-read the comment you are addressing.

As to whether you can appreciate my concerns in Marshall is immaterial to the discussion.

I have just as much right to post here as you do, regardless of whether or not you agree with that. But, as I said, I have already addressed the concerns you mentioned. Try scrolling down.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Mar 4, 2012, at 9:53 PM

Hey News,

Apparently my joke went over your head, but thanks for making the effort to dig out that secession stuff. Some may find it informative.

-- Posted by Slater on Sun, Mar 4, 2012, at 9:52 PM

Don't condemn a statement because it is misspelled.

You'll learn more on reflection from how it smelled. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Mar 4, 2012, at 9:32 PM


You felt intimidated so you looked for a typo error to go on about because you were completely unable to attack any part of my arguement...I see...

Mate, when you opt to launch a poorly veiled personal attack on your opposition, you have already lost your argument.

As to your personal opinion of me, well...that is neither here or there as it relates to the Constitutional issues that some of us have managed to stay focused on.

Ya' know, just sayin'...

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Mar 4, 2012, at 9:22 PM


-- Posted by Interested Too on Sun, Mar 4, 2012, at 9:14 PM

Nope, I have nothing agaianst the Constitution, or you either.

Just don't care all that much for situations where people try to intimidate others. Not even sure your post fits that either, but it was how I interpreted it. Anyway, it's all I am saying on this subject.

Have a great day! I mean that!

-- Posted by Interested Too on Sun, Mar 4, 2012, at 9:10 PM

Interested Too,

I see you have never read a copy of the current Constitution in its original form.

As it turns out, our Founding Fathers could not spell very well either.

At least I am in good company.

Anyway, numerous misspellings by our Founding Fathers in our Constitution has never been an issue for our Supreme Court when interpreting the Constitution as far as I know.

Perhaps our Supreme Court is far more concerned with the meaning of the words, from the perspective of our Founding Fathers, than they are the spelling our Founding Fathers used.

Interestingly enough, unlike every one of those learned men and women who have served our nation over years as United States Supreme Court Justices, the final word in American Jurisprudence, your approach to interpreting our Constitution seems to be focused entirely upon the spelling -- or misspelling, as the case may be -- of our Founding Fathers.

Well isn't that special.

Mate, if you don't like my misspellings, you would hate the current Constitution in its original form.

Then again, maybe you already do.

You know, just sayin'...

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Mar 4, 2012, at 8:57 PM


No one really cares, just having a conversation.

Make a rhyme....lol

-- Posted by Interested Too on Sun, Mar 4, 2012, at 8:47 PM


-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Mar 4, 2012, at 8:29 PM

Well now, that is interesting.

I'd think you would review a source before claiming it as one.

Just sayin'.

-- Posted by Interested Too on Sun, Mar 4, 2012, at 8:21 PM

Danged if I know.

why don't you go have a look.

As for the typo, don't sweat it. Its not a graded quiz.

And I remain, the undisputed, Welter Weight Typo King!!

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Mar 4, 2012, at 7:14 PM

Hey news...

Does the U.S. Constitution really spell 'dual' as 'duel'?

Just making sure that your sources are correct.

Lesser errors have caused the fall of kings... nay...nations.

Just having a little fun at your expense.

-- Posted by Interested Too on Sun, Mar 4, 2012, at 6:03 PM


Regarding American citizenship and who can run for President, to be eligible one must meet all of the following requirements:

1.) They must be a native born American citizen. This means that they have to be born in a state, territory, or military zone of the United States {IE: Senator McCain was born in Panama, which is not the United States, but he was born in a zone governed by the U.S. military).

2.) They must be at least 35 years old.

3.} They must have resided in the U.S. for 14 years or more.

4.) They are not eligible if they have already served 2 terms as President.

It may surprise some folks to learn, for example, that Australian actress Nicole Kidman is fully qualified to run for the office of, and if elected, serve as President of the United States.

She was born in Hawaii while her Australian parents were vacationing there.

She has attained the age of 35.

She has maintained a residence in the USA for 14 years or more.

However, I don't think she has any interest in the job.


-- Posted by news across on Sun, Mar 4, 2012, at 6:01 PM


The issue of state-secession was decided by the civil war and, later, by the Supreme Court which says the Constitution does not allow state-secession.

In addition, any attempt to secede from the Union of States would likely result in the immediate military re-occupation of Texas by the United States. The Statehood of Texas would likely be nullified and it would then be regarded as a Federal territory. A military governor would be assigned to govern Texas, Texas legislators and, probably the governor, would be imprisoned and would most likely be tried by a military court on a whole range of charges, not the least of which would probably include treason.


74 U.S. 700

Texas v. White


Argued: --- Decided:


-- Posted by news across on Sun, Mar 4, 2012, at 4:27 PM


Yes, each country is sovereign and each has its own laws. This includes citizenship laws.

Both Australia and the United States allow duel citizenship.

U.S. law in this regard is particularly interesting.

Our 14th Amendment to the Constitution of the United States guarantees any person, except for the children of foreign diplomats who are born while their parent{s} is/are assigned to the USA by their government, are automatically permanent American citizens.

The 14th Amendment guarantees that a natural born American cannot be denied his or her American citizenship under any circumstances, and all American citizens enjoy absolutely the same exact rights no matter where in the World they may live. Duel citizenship has no effect upon that what-so-ever. So says our Constitution. So says our Supreme Court. So say our laws.

I might add that under no circumstances would I ever be willing to give up my American citizenship nor would I give up my Australian citizenship.



-- Posted by news across on Sun, Mar 4, 2012, at 3:55 PM


I stand corrected and I remain the typo king.

Thank you.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Mar 4, 2012, at 3:16 PM

I had dual citizenship I declared for the good ol USA, I was born in the Germany.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Sun, Mar 4, 2012, at 11:44 AM

Some people in Texas want to make Texas a republic. I suppose that would then make me a republican.

-- Posted by Slater on Sat, Mar 3, 2012, at 11:41 PM

An interesting side note about my friend who had dual citizenship, not that any of you are begging for more detail; when he became a legal adult, he was required to choose either American, or his other country. Although born and raised in the USA, he chose citizenship in the nation of his grandparents and moved overseas. (He always spent holidays and summers there.) After living there for several years, he realized that living there was not the same as visiting there.

Eventually he became disillousioned with his choice and wanted to return to AMerica so he had to apply for citizenship and take the test. I have never asked him, but I wonder if he is eligible to be President.

-- Posted by inthemiddle on Sat, Mar 3, 2012, at 11:01 PM

This is a serious question and not meant to be critical. If you are a naturalized citizen, do you have dual citizenship? I was under the impression that when one becomes a citizen of another country, they give up citizenship in their original country. I had a friend who had dual citizenship but it was because he was born in the USA to parents who were not yet US citizens. Do different countries have different rules?

-- Posted by inthemiddle on Sat, Mar 3, 2012, at 10:49 PM

News Across,

Third typo: You have dual citizenship not "duel". Though you do have a penchant for "duelin" it out.


-- Posted by upsedaisy on Sat, Mar 3, 2012, at 9:57 PM

NanaDot good to see that you are still there.

-- Posted by John Q. on Sat, Mar 3, 2012, at 6:26 PM

"Limbaugh apologizes to student..."


-- Posted by news across on Sat, Mar 3, 2012, at 5:33 PM

former editor

I see you know almost as much about Meteorology as you do peak oil.

OK, well I predict we will all be driving electric cars within the next 10 years or using some other form of transportation other than a fossil fuel burner (if we survive climate change).

Get used to it.

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Mar 3, 2012, at 2:26 PM

Not everyone can use the same type of birth control. Some insurances pay more than others. The cost can vary, however I find $3,000 a quite impressive amount. I know that my insurance doesn't cover the brand I have to use, so it was costing $75.00 a month, until I went online and got a coupon that reduces the cost down to $25.00

a month.

-- Posted by meagain on Sat, Mar 3, 2012, at 1:07 PM

Should have addressed the preceding to Jason1969, but this was also information to McFly who seems concerned about a long wind blowing in from the Southern Hemisphere.

On local use of solar panels, try this. Google: CEA Warrensburg MO. This should connect with the Citizens for Environmental Action group in Johnson County. They started a speakers bureau, so click on that. You will find Mike Shaw who has solar panels on his house and knows about their use here but will not do a hard salesman sell. Shaw is also the expert on historic, famous pianist "Blind" Boone born in a Federal encampment at Miami Civil War era.

-- Posted by former editor on Sat, Mar 3, 2012, at 9:47 AM

I feel that it is a great opportunity to hear the opinion of others outside our area and country. It gives me a wider perspective on issues that we all face. I have learned a great deal by looking into some of the comments made here, doing my own research and forming my own opinion. I don't agree with everything I read, but that is my right, as well as it is the right for anyone to post thier opinion here.

-- Posted by meagain on Sat, Mar 3, 2012, at 9:43 AM

I heard that there was a woman who claims it costs her 3k for birth control. Birth control pills cost 9$ at wal mart.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Sat, Mar 3, 2012, at 9:31 AM


Yes, noticed the Volt problem, a car for people with money to whom the govt. gives more money for buying it(GM=Government Motors). The used 4-cyl. truck I just bought cost the same amount as the Volt incentive-rebate. But I can't haul lumber in a Volt even if I could afford to buy a Volt.

Another Volt problem is that it's misrepresented as to fuel. It burns second hand coal. In other words, a lot of charging electricity comes from coal fired generating plants. The Carter era solution, natural gas, works and doesn't require total reconfiguration of how vehicles are built. Also transportation ideas suited to places of high population density don't necessary work in places of low to very low density.

-- Posted by former editor on Sat, Mar 3, 2012, at 4:18 AM



In my previous comment ther are 2 typos:

1.} correction: should be, "I don't think you can GET more American than that."


2.) correction: should be, "Marshallite."

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Mar 2, 2012, at 11:09 PM


Oh are you confused about my citizenship?

Well let me help you out.

I am a natural-born American citizen, born and raised in the good ol' US of A.

My Mom and Dad were born in America too -- in Missouri -- just like my Grandparents were -- and just like me. On my Dad's side of the family that line of Americans goes all the way back to the 1700's -- when we were just 13 British Colonies, On Mom's side that line of Americans goes back 14,000 years.

I don't think you can much more American than that, mate.

I am also a naturalized Australian citizen,

Its called "duel citizenship."

And yeah I like being in Sydney a whole lot more than being almost any place in America.

However, make no mistake about it, no matter what country I happen to be in at any point on the timeline, I am always a Mashallite.

Get used to it.

As to the rest of that silly comment, you can't support your position with any credible, factual, evidence, expert opinion, or qualified sources. All you have are empty, meaningless statements that have no basis in reality.

That is why your positions are untenable and without merit.

...and now you want to blame your lack of basic debate skills on me?

Frankly mate, it looks more like you want to kill the messenger because you don't like the message, sort to speak. That is a losing proposition right from the start.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Mar 2, 2012, at 10:58 PM


Most of us discuss politics in the "Speak Out (politics} forum.

Perhaps you will be so good as to go there, state your thesis, give us your qualifying supports (and please include your links to your sources so we, the readers, can verify their accuracy, timeliness, and expertise, relativity and content}, and be prepared for a very detailed analysis of your claim.

Frankly, I think your argument will fall flat, right away, but if you think your comment is not as meaningless as it appears to be, well then,..."come on down...!!"

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Mar 2, 2012, at 7:23 PM

G.M.(Goverment Motors) is suspending the Volt for lack of sales don't worry folks the goverment will borrow more money afor their "Volt" program you know the car that most people can not afford, Good Job Barry the friend socialist.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Fri, Mar 2, 2012, at 6:52 PM

Oh and about the typos --oops!

But I think you can still discern my point...mate.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Mar 2, 2012, at 5:53 PM

former editor,

Many of us who no longer live in Marshall still own property there, have close relatives living in the area, are well rooted in Marshall, and/or have other vested interests in the Marshall area.

We have every right and good reason to be concerned with those local, state, and federal policies that affect our vested interests and our family in the Marshall.

Granted, there are some in Marshall who may disagree with a particular message or position of other the other folks who are concerned about their vested interests in the Marshall area have. After all, we all have an opinion or preference -- tenable or untenable, and there are those who would prefer to have a forum in which their opinions cannot be questioned, analyzed or tested in any form or method.

Sadly, of those in Marshall who may disagree with the well supported position of some other folks who may not be in Marshall 100% of the time, there is a tendency to attempt to elevate themselves to the self-appointed position of "Great Decider" of what is and isn't important to all the other folks who have a vested interest in the City of Marshall.

Oh they make lots of wild claims and accuse those they disagree with of having an "agenda," or even attempt to paint other folks as "foreigners" who live in strange, "foreign countries," when in fact those folks they are making the wild claims about are as equally American as you and me, and equally as rooted in Marshall as you and me.

I think perhaps the problem is not the ground upon which a Marshalite's boots happen to be resting on at some particular moment in time, but rather the problem facing the "Great Decider" is formulating a workable strategy for pushing his agenda while silencing those willing to point out and analyze the self-appointed "Great Decider's" agenda.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Mar 2, 2012, at 5:28 PM


Obviously you do, otherwise you wouldn't be posting rude and insulting comments!!!! Wish I could be there when your karma comees back!!!!!!!!!

-- Posted by BellyJeans on Fri, Mar 2, 2012, at 2:21 PM

BellyJeans, Marshall Man don't care!!!!!!!!!!!!

-- Posted by Marshall Man on Fri, Mar 2, 2012, at 10:06 AM

As someone who licenses vehicles in Saline County (just paid sales tax on a new-used one) and pays real estate property tax as well as routine sales taxes, I'm always concerned with the economic well being of the county and its communities.

What I often see in the comment area here are postings from people who live in other states and countries. When these far away people post bits of history and memories of life here, it adds to local color. When they post their political agendas without rubbing shoulders with local voters, they might as well go post on HuffPo.

This newspaper covers local news pretty well, and that's why people read it in print or on line.

-- Posted by former editor on Fri, Mar 2, 2012, at 8:27 AM


I find your comment rude and uncalled for!! How do you know those crazy drivers are on welfare? I am sick and tired of people putting other people down. You don't know why someone may be on welfare and frankly, it is none of your business. Yes, there are some that abuse it but there are also a lot of people who need it and use it wisely. Quit being so judgemental. Thank you

-- Posted by BellyJeans on Fri, Mar 2, 2012, at 8:16 AM

"Why [Some People] Want to Forget the Tea Party Ancestry"


-- Posted by news across on Fri, Mar 2, 2012, at 12:25 AM

And while you doing the best you can to organize your thoughts, here is some "thinking" music to help you along your way.


-- Posted by news across on Thu, Mar 1, 2012, at 8:09 PM

Gee bcat and GeorgeMcFly, et al,

I thought we discuss politics in the Political Speakout now?

of course in the Political Speakout your tenuous position would be hammered with close scrutiny.

But then you clearly know that already, hence your choice of this forum to make your political statements in.

Come bring your tenuous argument to the political forum and let's just see if you have a leg to stand on.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Mar 1, 2012, at 7:47 PM

Smart Dog,

I read the article and agree that he fits your description of "immature and disrespectful", especially for someone in his position. That being said, you seem to be painting conservatives with a pretty broad brush, my friend.

-- Posted by Bcat on Thu, Mar 1, 2012, at 7:06 PM

former editor, Cadwell's One Scoop or Two, Court Street Classics and the Marshall Chamber of Commerce all carry the books, however I believe they are all out of stock at this time. You can also purchase Jim items at www.jimthewonderdog.com, but the book is out of stock there also.

-- Posted by springvinnie on Thu, Mar 1, 2012, at 3:41 PM

Once again, I find I am disgusted by the immature and disrespectful actions of a fellow baby-boomer. This one, a federal judge in Montana, and apparently a card carrying conservative, deserves a good old fashioned "a$$ whippin'" for his lack of taste and maturity.

Just google "Richard Cebull" and I am sure you can find what I am talking about.

The guy needs to be removed from his job. If he thinks this is acceptable behavior by a federal judge, then to me that proves he is not fit for the position.

Try saying that about my mother, to my face, Mr. Cebull, and you will go home bloody.

.....and conservatives wonder why most folks are weary of their attitude and don't take them seriously any more.


-- Posted by Smart Dog on Thu, Mar 1, 2012, at 12:26 PM

Meanwhile a U. S. corporate telephone company has been outrageously ripping off our soldiers for years, and no one does a darn thing about it. Read the following link. It will make your blood boil. http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/46576843/n...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Mar 1, 2012, at 11:45 AM

You can tell it's 1st of month. Every one that get's a welfare check is driving like mad to get to the bank and get their cash, at us taxpayer's expense of course. So just drive safe out there, cause the system sucker's don't.....

-- Posted by Marshall Man on Thu, Mar 1, 2012, at 11:41 AM

Two more U. S. troops in Adghanistan were killed by those we are helping. The last three events that have resulted in the death of our soldiers have been committed by our Afghan allies, not the ones we are supposed to be fighting, the Taliban, nor Al Quaeda. When is enough, enough? http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/201...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Mar 1, 2012, at 11:34 AM

Really wish the high school would run the play another night. I know several people who want to see it but the tickets are sold out. Sad not everyone will get to see the great performances from the students.

-- Posted by huh? on Thu, Mar 1, 2012, at 9:09 AM

Banker's 1% tip on restaurant bill? Turns out it was a hoax. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/02/28...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Mar 1, 2012, at 12:10 AM

A friend of mine is looking for the "Jim, the Wonder Dog" book and can't find a copy. Seems strange she is having a problem locating a copy in Marshall.

-- Posted by former editor on Wed, Feb 29, 2012, at 10:21 PM

Oh Owls4life, you made me remember when my boy was playing baseball. Sweet Sweet summer memories! Go Owls!

-- Posted by luvthoseowls on Wed, Feb 29, 2012, at 3:45 PM

I am so ready for Owls baseball!!!! Many of the kids out on their own working through the winter, hitting the indoor cages, getting in some good glove work, throwing, getting better, lots of promise to be excited about.

Freshly cut grass, the white chalk, seeds o'plenty, popcorn, shade trees in the outfield, pine tar, ting-ting, a pearl laying next to the mound, mitts popping, and gum smacking. It's here, it's coming.

Owls baseball, 2012, get ready!

-- Posted by Tigers/Owls4Life96 on Wed, Feb 29, 2012, at 3:17 PM

Saw a story on KMMO news section about a drug bust on Porter street on Friday. What's the story MDN?

-- Posted by RedAngel on Mon, Feb 27, 2012, at 10:00 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
There was a drug bust on Porter street Friday. No formal charges filed yet.


-- Posted by broke-n-busted on Mon, Feb 27, 2012, at 9:51 PM


Yeah, if you scroll down you will see that I already pointed out that in Australia electricity is expensive - due to the very high cost of oil and the cost of importing that to the most remote continent on Earth.

Well it seems expensive to Americans anyway, because the Australian dollar is higher than the American dollar, but in fact wages and salaries are also much higher here than in the USA. Our minimum wage is $15.51 per hour, add that to our mandatory 4.33 weeks paid vacation per year, our low inflation rate, our massive mineral sales to China, our many social programs that lend a real had-up to our less fortunate citizens and our middle class, and our free-to-the-patient socialized medical system and even the few poor citizens here are pretty comfortable. And yeah, we also have one of top economies in the World -- and its works out pretty well for us. Last time I checked we were the number 2 economy in the World.

Yeah its nice here but I did not call it paradise -- you are the only commenter in this forum who suggested that it may be paradise --your words, not mine.

Anyway, all that matters to me, is that after purchasing 12 solar panels and 2 inverters, I am no longer paying anything for electricity -- 0 -- zilch -- nada, and I am also earning $2000.00 a year for the excess electricity I am producing. The system will pay for itself in less than 2 years, the panels have a full 10 year warranty, and they were built to last 25 years.

Will that help you? Darned if I know.

But it sure helps me.

Personally, I would like to see America build lots and lots of nuclear plants.

We have the World's largest uranium deposits and selling minerals is our business here in Australia. We can meet all your uranium needs with no problem -- for the right price of course.

I definitely think you should forget about green power and concentrate on nuclear power.

Just let us know when you want that uranium and well get you all you need mate.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Feb 27, 2012, at 7:54 PM

meagin you might look at the difference in the price of electricity in Australia vs the USA. Although I am sure it is the paradise that news tells us it is electricity costs almost twice what it does here. (Wikipedia for my source.) Because of that you would need to carry the cost longer to break even. Unless you are made of money you will need to borrow the money adding more cost. I would still argue for the good things that generating power from the sun can do for us but until the cost of electricity is elevated more you won't see a wholesale move to solar energy in the USA.

-- Posted by broke-n-busted on Mon, Feb 27, 2012, at 5:44 PM

Wow, what a great oportunity if a company that sells and installs panels for the rebate check for the next say three years to give themselves a profit and to sell the panels....Wish I had the money to do that!

-- Posted by meagain on Mon, Feb 27, 2012, at 5:26 PM


Thank you for answering my question.

I appreciate it.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Feb 27, 2012, at 5:25 PM


I stand corrected. I called the hospital and asked them. They don't have "urgent" care but they have "fasttrack". Anyone can be seen and billed with or without insurance, however, emergency rates apply. I guess it really isn't much help ater all. I took my lil one out there due to high fever and we went thru fast track, so I guess this is how I got confused. My apologies.

-- Posted by Jessa on Mon, Feb 27, 2012, at 5:05 PM

With the recent school shooting in Ohio, I have grave concern for our own high school, I was wondering if the Marshall Public Schools have a plan of action when it comes to security at the schools, Eric could you check on this if you have the time?

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Mon, Feb 27, 2012, at 4:56 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
I will check on the current plan. I do remember following the Joplin shooting a few years ago, there was a good deal of discussion and new security measures implemented. The school has a resource officer on campus most of the time, I think. But I don't know what current practice is in terms of informing students, parents, doing drills, etc.

Be careful what you wish for. Why the Keystone pipeline will raise your gas prices in the midwest. > http://bottomline.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Feb 27, 2012, at 4:55 PM


How does that urgent care thing workout for uninsured folks who have no cash to pay for it?

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Feb 27, 2012, at 4:32 PM

Bothwell recently added Urgent Care at the hospital. When someone goes in, they are assessed as to whether they need emergency or urgent care. This could be an option for Marshall. They would not need an additional facility, they would only need drs and nurses. Or could they use one of the clinics?? There is a need in Marshall. I am like the others, Fitzgibbon would lose money and that is the real reason it won't be done.

-- Posted by Jessa on Mon, Feb 27, 2012, at 4:08 PM

Marshall will never have a urgent care facility. That would be a step in the right direction but it would take away the dollar from the hospital and that isn't gonna happen.

-- Posted by BellyJeans on Mon, Feb 27, 2012, at 3:52 PM

A little late to the party about urgent care, but this is how our little town deals with the need (from our hospital website):

Emergency services and urgent care are provided by the same team of hospital physicians, nurses and staff. A visit that begins in Urgent Care may become an Emergency Department visit after the physician completes the exam.

Urgent Care:

* Is appropriate for minor conditions like earaches, sore throats and urinary tract infections

* Is available: Monday through Friday: 5 p.m. - 10 p.m. and Saturdays, Sundays & Holidays: 8 a.m. - 10 p.m.

* If lab work is done (besides a monospot, throat culture or urine sample), the visit automatically becomes an Emergency Department visit.

-- Posted by koeller77 on Mon, Feb 27, 2012, at 3:37 PM

Now NanaDot,

That's not what Rush and Glenn say, so it can't be true!

Actually, there is enough theivery on both sides of the argument to defuse the central arguments; the earth is overpopulated, it takes too much energy to sustain us, and there isn't much that anyone is willing (or able) to do about it. So....we shall slowly and surely sink as a species until somehow, someway; Mother Nature takes care of things in her own manner.

-- Posted by Interested Too on Mon, Feb 27, 2012, at 9:38 AM

Yeah, Jason,

all those wars are mighty expensive and it will be many years before you get them paid down, and in the end you have nothing to show for them except for a collapsed economy and lots of dead American kids.

Perhaps attacking and butchering all those brown skinned people in foreign countries is not the best choice, economically speaking anyway.

But getting back to the topic, going green is by far the best thing any individual, home solar power co-operative, or business can do for the economy, the environment, and themselves.

Solar power production reduces demand for non-green power - which means reduced demand for oil, which translates into a reduction in the price of oil.

In addition, the excess power that goes into the electrical grid means a simultaneous increase in the supply of electricity -- driving down the over-all price of electricity.

Reduced energy prices helps everyone including the poor, and the reduction in fossil-fuel use makes for a better, healthier environment, for everyone.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Feb 27, 2012, at 12:51 AM

I am not saying going green is not a bad idea for an individual corp to go green especially one with the money to do this. I am just saying right now with the state of the economy its not viable for us a country and provide proof of my comment in an earlier post. With that being said Energy Sec. of going 9$-10$ per a gallon of gas is in our best interested he is the direct statement: n September 2008, Chu told The Wall Street Journal, "Somehow we have to figure out how to boost the price of gasoline to the levels in Europe." In a follow-up article, ABC News interviewed a scientist who had worked with Chu, Lee Schipper, who estimated that European gas prices were at about $7 to $9 per gallon.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/021...

Now why do I bring this up is bc low income the poor the one's that Our President is looking out for is going to be hurt bc they can not afford this and speaking of going green can the low and lower middle class really afford this with the cost of Green energy and don't say the goverment can pay for this Our GDP is smaller than our debt right now.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Sun, Feb 26, 2012, at 11:56 PM

Yeah OKR,

I am sure the self-appointed World-Police will find some more brown-skinned folks in some foreign nation they can kill real soon.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Feb 26, 2012, at 10:26 PM

We are done in Afghanistan. Even those we are helping have turned against us. Our coalition partners are going home. The sun has set, it is time to bring every body home, instead of leaving them to grope about in the darkness that has enveloped Afghanistan.

Peace. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/26...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Feb 26, 2012, at 8:37 PM

Thankyou NanaDot, that was very informative and also so typical

-- Posted by aussie wife on Sun, Feb 26, 2012, at 5:39 PM

Jason isn't it interesting that Fox News did not let that American corruption stop them from putting up their own solar panels?

Please look at the link below, you will see that Rupert Murdoch who owns Fox News last year proudly announced that his company News Corp is now Carbon Neutral. This was achieved by installing solar and other green initiatives and in this article he states that he has 'saved millions of dollars' by doing this. Why does Fox News fail to let their listeners know the benefits of solar?


-- Posted by aussie wife on Sun, Feb 26, 2012, at 5:20 PM


What does that American corruption have to do with me getting my energy for free and my getting paid a couple of thousand dollars for my excess energy?

Well how about this, you and Fox News do the worrying about American Corporate corruption thing, and my wife and me will do the free energy from our solar panels thing and we will all be happy lol.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Feb 26, 2012, at 3:08 PM

To those who are in favor of green energy, Solyndra, and now this, http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/02/...

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Sun, Feb 26, 2012, at 1:14 PM

ND - I know there are advocates and lobbyists for all the big electric corporations and oil companies statewide and nationally.

As for the residential classification, isn't it helpful that I live at my business which is classified as C-R...;).

My biggest hurdle is not Jeff City, or Washington. It would be the "dark ages" thinking of the Hubs! Ha! Sometimes, I believe that the last forward-thinking advancement that he's paid attention to is air-conditioning for his tractor...LOL!

-- Posted by nouveaublogger on Sun, Feb 26, 2012, at 1:14 PM


All I can say is that the system we purchased has performed better than I ever expected.

It provides all my home energy with enough power left over to sell to the electric company on a one for one ratio which pays out $2000.00 a year (which is tax-free income here).

I am planing on adding 12 more as time goes by using the proceeds generated by the excess energy production. We think home solar production offers a nice tidy extra income source limited only by available roof space.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Feb 26, 2012, at 1:15 AM

Please continue your comments about solar and wind energy, as it greatly interests me. While visiting in Chicago, driving through the city, I spotted and older Dairy Queen that had a windmill on top of their building. It was operational and I was thinking it was totally cool. Was surprised I didn't see more.

-- Posted by nouveaublogger on Sat, Feb 25, 2012, at 11:48 PM

Mr. Crump,

The issue of an urgent care for this community, might make an excellent Poll question, if any would use an urgent care facility if one was available, how many think it's a necessity, how many don't care?

Thank you.

-- Posted by nouveaublogger on Sat, Feb 25, 2012, at 11:37 PM

Here is a link to at least some urgent care facilities in the State.


There is also one on Nifong Blvd in Columbia called Provident Urgent Care, the have a website,


Of course, Fitzgibbon would say there is no need. That would cut into how much revenue the ER brings in. They charge more for people who have insurance, to make up for the cost for people who do not have insurance, and the lowered payments they receive from Medicaid and Medicare that they have to accept.

I agree there is a need in the community! I took my 90+ mother-in-law to the ER for a bump on her head, just to be on the safe side. 7 hours later we were on our way home...glad she had Medicare and Insurance. Sure wouldn't have wanted to pay that bill. If it had been on a week day, I would be sending them a bill for my lost wages! However, am certain she would have been seen at the clinic in that case. Same thing with my dad...took him to ER, recently, got there about 2:30 p.m., was taken straight into the ER and the doctor didn't come in to see him until 7:05 p.m. It's redicululous!

-- Posted by nouveaublogger on Sat, Feb 25, 2012, at 11:32 PM

I realize my prior comment will more than likely be deleted due to the sensitive matter of Medicaid therefore I'd like to rephrase:

I have spoke with officials at Fitz...the community need does not show that an urgent care facility is needed and the funds are not there. REally????? are you serious???? I can not afford trips to the ER for sore throats and ear aches that could be easily handled. Yes; I have insurance that I pay for that is not state funded and I would use an URGENT CARE facility! Please; lets make this an awareness....

-- Posted by KW on Sat, Feb 25, 2012, at 10:11 PM

Changing the subject...

Fitz says money must be raised in order to support an urgent care and the need is not there...and YES I called and found out why we don't have one. CITIZENS....come one are there really so many people out there on Medicaid that going to the ER is no big deal? This county needs an urgent care.

-- Posted by KW on Sat, Feb 25, 2012, at 10:08 PM

Jason, I must take issue with your statement. You state that there would be minimal environmental effects associated with the Keystone Pipeline and the production of energy from tar sands. In fact there is ample evidence that this kind of fossil fuel development will produce even more greenhouse gasses and increase the risk of oils spills (and we all know how responsible energy companies have been in this area -- BP and Exxon Valdez for example).


Shouldn't the issue be getting our energy from clean sources such as wind and sun? Fossil fuels are a finite resource and cause damage to our environment, they are continually becoming more expensive, have been the reason for so many wars and really only benefit the owners of the energy companies. As you know News and I now have solar and our energy is free. My question is why haven't Americans been given the chance to have this type of energy? Instead what I see are vested interests sabotaging the chance for my friends in your country to have free energy and these same vested interests ignoring the impact of environmental damage on one of the most beautiful places on this earth. Why should people pay for dirty energy when they can have free clean energy?

And 'inthemiddle', China mines for silicon to make their solar panels and have made so many there is actually a glut of them, that is why China has cut back on them. The cost of solar panels has been steadily declining. You might find this article interesting


As solar can eliminate power costs, some enterprising people here in Australia have set up solar farms, they feed the electricity back into the grid and get payments from the energy companies. This is the kind of thing that should appeal to the free enterprise tradition of the American people. Why it is not being promoted over there is beyond me. It would help if we had some links to credible sources who have been discrediting clean energy, I would love to see their rationalizations.

-- Posted by aussie wife on Sat, Feb 25, 2012, at 5:48 PM


Who is stopping you from putting solar panels on your house?

I sure am happy I put them on my house. Everything in my home is electric. I heat and cool with electric. I cook with electric. All my appliances are electric. So for me its important that I now get my electricity for free -- and also get paid for my excess production. Now that I have 12 panels, my problem is solved and the entire system pays for itself in less than 2 years. Since the panels have a full 10 year warranty and are designed to last 25 years, I know from simple math that is extremely cost-efficient.

It pays for itself in less than 2 years but is guaranteed to keep producing for 10 years -- the means 8 years of absolutely free electricity and the additional income of $2000.00 a year from the electric company to me for payment for the excess electricity my system is producing.

Anyway, personally I think America should build lots and lots of nuclear plants.

Here in Australia we have the largest deposits of uranium in the World. Of course we are not dumb enough to build nuke plants here -- not given the danger and the troubled past of nuke plants. However, we are happy to sell America all the uranium She needs.

Either way, the rest of the World is already far ahead of America in technology and passive energy production which is the key to having safe, reliable energy in the future. As we run out of fossil fuels and the dangers of nukes becomes so prohibitive that they cannot be used, America will just continue to fall further and further behind...but that is not sweat off my brow, I live in advanced nation that is a leader in passive energy production.

But hey, don't forget, we can supply all the uranium you need for those nuke plants mate.

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Feb 25, 2012, at 4:24 PM

In this country we will never have solar panel farms and wind turbine farms at least not to the point of Australia, There are to many Environmentalist, you have some endangered animal that would be threaten and just look at the keystone oil pipline after years of study proven minimal effect on the environment and the one area it was going to effect they were willing to move it. Obama blocked it so to some it all there are to many left and right wing groups on the fringe that would block this.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Sat, Feb 25, 2012, at 11:47 AM


-- Posted by news across on Sat, Feb 25, 2012, at 4:18 AM

In the middle said it so well.

-- Posted by ilivnhel on Sat, Feb 25, 2012, at 2:30 AM

Oh and inthemiddle,

I was not aware that silicone mining has been banned in the USA...are you sure about that?

Also, its my understanding that copper wire, glass, and salt-water are all still available in the USA.

However, if you folks up there need some minerals look no further -- we, your close ally Australia, happen to be one of the largest exporters of minerals to the rest of the World -- including our biggest customer, China. We would be more than happy to meet all your mineral needs including silicone, as well as all your glass, salt-water, and copper wire needs. Just let us know mate and when the check clears, the minerals, glass, salt-water, and copper wire will be on their way!

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Feb 24, 2012, at 9:31 PM

Darned if I know inthemiddle,

but I know I am energy independent now.

Not only that but now I am producing energy that not only meets all my energy needs but also produces new income -- $2000.00 a year.

Here in Australia solar panels appear everywhere.

Most of my neighbors have them and I see them all over Sydney. All our traffic lights, traffic cameras, street lights, ect are all powered by solar panels. In the Outback a lot of folks are building big solar farms and we have a thriving green energy market. Here in Australia it is one of our National goals to become the leader in energy export in the future and we are working hard towards that goal.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Feb 24, 2012, at 9:04 PM

What a coincidence. The other day I was flipping across the radio dial the other day and there was a discussion about the solar panels and wind turbines and the USA lagging behind. The one person installed them professionally and according to him, because of the EPA regulations, the elements/chemicals used to make them are no longer mined in the USA, but 20 years ago over 90% were. Now they are all mined in China. As a result the cost of the panels and their installation would in the end limit their cost efficiency. He also said that in the last month China stopped/cut back mining too which will add to the problem.

I don't know how accurate his information was, but if he is correct I wonder how these alternative solutions will help the USA become more energy independent.

-- Posted by inthemiddle on Fri, Feb 24, 2012, at 8:22 PM

Well RR,

I recommend multi-crystal panels because they produce electricity on even cloudy days and the system won't shut down if part of it ends up in shade.

Mono crystals will shut down the entire system if part of it is crossed by a shadow, and they won't even produce a reduced amount of electricity on a cloudy day.

Mulit-crystal are definitely your best bet.

As far as American Producers, suppliers, and installers goes, I am not familiar with any on that side of the World, RR.

Our Panels were made in Japan, the inverters (we have to have 2 because of the directional configuration of our panels) were made in Germany. All the work was done by local tradesmen here in Australia.

So I really can't recommend any company there RR. I wish I could. I am sure there are some good, trustworthy solar companies in America but I am not aware of any off-hand.

Frankly, America has gotten so far behind the rest of the World in technology over the years that I am not even sure what is available there.

Here in Oz many, I would say at least half, the homes seem to have them, but when I was in America about a year and a half ago, I didn't see even one panel on any homes.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Feb 24, 2012, at 6:53 PM

Sounds good news I have been considering solar myself. Maybe you have a couple of good links for more information.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Fri, Feb 24, 2012, at 6:36 PM

By the way

if anyone has an interest in solar panels, I am pleased to report that the 12 panels my wife and I bought and installed have gone way beyond our expectations.

Our complete installation cost was $8000.00.

6 months since we got our panels fully functioning we are getting all of our electricity free and now the electric company owes us $1000.00 for the excess production.

Electricity in Australia is very expensive. Our electric bill used to average $600.00 a quarter ($200.00 per month). Our bill went to $0.00 -- zero dollars -- immediately after the panels were operational.

The bottom line is this, we pay no electricity bill what-so-ever now, and the electricity company owes us a thousand bucks for the excess we produced. The panels will pay for themselves in less than 2 years, have a 10 year warranty, and are built to last 25 years.

Going green never felt so good!

...and it turned out to be quite lucrative as well.

I highly recommend installing solar panels.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Feb 24, 2012, at 6:04 PM

Bring back the day's of 19.9 gallon gas, 5 cent candy bar's and 5 cent soda. I was a whole lot younger and it was a lot more fun time......

-- Posted by Marshall Man on Fri, Feb 24, 2012, at 5:56 PM

SC Answer you,

Is neither A nor B ... was wondering when the rules changed on accidents ( or who you know when it applies) that tickets will not be issued when a wreck of running a stop sign, as long as the driver is honest and has insurance no tickets! this was per the chief of Police when a off duty highway patrol hit me when he ran a stop sign and my 2 grand kids was in the car with me...

-- Posted by momandgramma on Fri, Feb 24, 2012, at 5:37 PM

Well said SC,

Good on ya mate!

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Feb 24, 2012, at 4:25 PM


So do I assume this person ran the stop sign?

I want to know did this person have insurance ?

Was this person honest and admit the accident was his/her fault?

And if these answer are truthfully answered yes then we ask...why did they get a ticket??

These questions to be answered with truth is very important to me....

-- Posted by momandgramma on Fri, Feb 24, 2012, at 4:10 PM


I like to know....

Why was a ticket issued?

Did the person that was given a ticket have insurance?

Was this person honest and admit the wreck was his fault?

-- Posted by momandgramma on Fri, Feb 24, 2012, at 3:25 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
The person was given a ticket for violating a traffic law.

I see someone wants a set of stop signs on Ellsworth at Vest after another wreck there. We don't need stop signs there we just need people to pay attention to there driving and not run the stop signs on Vest. Inattention, talking on phone or taking picture with your phone while driving etc, is the major cause of most accidents. Did the driver that caused the accident get a ticket, just wondering.

-- Posted by sheepdip on Fri, Feb 24, 2012, at 12:04 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
A city official confirms that a ticket was issued, yes.

I don't remember Juicy there during the year or so i was there. I really can't remember any of the guys Names! Juicies Sister sang in my dad's band back in the Late 40's or early 50's,she was in High School At the time. Juicy was a year or two ahead of me in School. He was one of the Stars of the Team. I remember a substitute From MVC, that came in to Coach with Lyons one session(Shorty Preston) was his name.That who i Played for also! Dad rented a hall above the Funeral home,one block south of the Square. To have Dances on the Week ends 5o Cents to get in. That was in the 40's. The Park hired me full time,at the Park along with 4 others already there.One lived in the House owned by the Park,Rent Free.

-- Posted by Jo on Thu, Feb 23, 2012, at 9:43 PM

Juicy Sprigg was the only one I remember being around the park the winter of 1956. Was he there the summer you were there? I expect that we may have passed close by each other, at times during our overlapping years in Marshall. It is my loss that I didn't meet you Jo.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Feb 23, 2012, at 5:38 PM

Okla,I worked there too, for Coach, Painted the out Field Wood Fence (WHITE) in 1956, with a Paint Brush Plus the Numbers and Framework on the ScoreBoard! I did it through the Entire Summer, (Fighting Wasps) both Sides The Indian Head on the front of the Stadium,I touched Up! I worked there for Coach, after i got out of the Navy. for a Year or so. Golf Course Swimming Pool,Park Area,The entire crew was 4 people.In the Summer Coach would put on 5 High School or Collage Kids work through the Summer. Small World! I thought i was going to Die of Heat Stroke! ha. Farrel Coon worked that Summer!Wasn't long after that he was in that Accident.

-- Posted by Jo on Thu, Feb 23, 2012, at 3:13 PM

Yep, I do Jo. He was a huge man with a huge heart. He used to put a towel across his belly with the seat all the way back in his old pick up to keep from getting steering wheel rub offs on his belly.

He was Driver's Ed teacher at the time, which I took the fall of 1956. He also was Parks Director. He knew I was a poor kid, called me up after class, and quietly told me that they needed someone to paint (aluminum paint) the storm fence around the old ball park during Christmas vacation. Fifty cents per hour, I jumped at the chance. After work every day due to wind, aluminum paint, and a roller I glittered every day as I walked home from the park. I nearly froze doing it, but it left a warm spot for him in my heart.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Feb 23, 2012, at 2:36 PM

Is there anyone that remembers Coach Lyons ? I played for him a couple of years at Marshall High.I've never heard his Name on this Blog! He was in too every thing in Marshall. He even Played Santa at Xmas!Remember the Parades around the Square? Great Memories!

-- Posted by Jo on Thu, Feb 23, 2012, at 1:36 PM

Ain't life full of 'em BnR. Life lessons never end. Just when you think you have a handle on it all you get swatted, or lifted up, and have to pause to reflect.

By the way I did some of that senior bench sitting, no fun, and humiliating in a sense. I played more as an undersized sophomore than I did as a senior. I reflected on it a lot, mostly about things like why did my folks send me off to first grade when I was five, and why did it happen that I was slow to physically, and socially mature. A good part of that was a waste of time. Another lesson learned. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Feb 22, 2012, at 4:21 PM

Very true, Oklahoma. I also learned that winning isn't everything. Both were very good lessons!

-- Posted by born-n-raised on Wed, Feb 22, 2012, at 2:10 PM

It appears bornnraised that you learned another life lesson, an even more important one. Life is not fair, but we must persevere.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Feb 22, 2012, at 1:48 PM

I was a victim of "program re-building" when I played ball in high school. A new coach came in, decided that the upper classmen weren't worthy of working with, benched us, and started over with freshmen. Before this occurred I was focused on obtaining a scholarship. I had devoted a lot of my life towards this goal. I was devastated. I had worked hard, practiced several hours per day, and was told I was an excellent player. It was all for naught. The coach's decision to rebuild, changed the course of my life forever. I quit playing ball, made some poor decisions that an athlete in training most likely wouldn't have made, and got into some trouble. The poor decisions I made were my fault.

Fortunately, I turned my life around and all is well now, but I'm often left wondering what might have been.

-- Posted by born-n-raised on Wed, Feb 22, 2012, at 11:52 AM

Which of these young men are in the gym year round? Which play in summer leagues against strong competition? I suspect it is the same ones who have succeeded on the court this year.

Just like everything else you get out of it what you put into it. Companies no longer promote someone just because they have seniority. They promote based on who can get the job done, who has worked the hardest to enhance their skills, and who will enhance the company's bottom line. Such is competition, life, and life lessons for the young.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Feb 22, 2012, at 11:22 AM

Coaches decisions on who to play and when to play and how to play should be entirely on them. No matter a persons age or grade level, that isn't what should dictate the playing time. Effort, determination, and skill should be that guide. Maybe the coach didn't feel that those upper class men put in the work that he felt they should? I have no problems with that at all, earn your spot is the only fair way.

-- Posted by Bigger Picture on Wed, Feb 22, 2012, at 9:41 AM

Yes, But when you come into a program as a new coach and toss the seniors (2-3 year varsity players who worked hard to get to the top and who deserved to play) to the side in order to build "your" program with freshmen, I don't agree. But that's old news. The future has arrived and next year should be awesome. Go Owls!

-- Posted by WickedWitch on Wed, Feb 22, 2012, at 8:02 AM

A coaches job is certainly never easy, kudos to those who are really taking the time to put in the effort to build programs.

-- Posted by Tigers/Owls4Life96 on Tue, Feb 21, 2012, at 11:44 PM


Glad to see someone else supporting the coaches. Parents are always so quick to attack coaches. It's tough to go to games and listen to the negative stuff that parents say about coaches, other players, and refs. It's getting harder to find a place in the stands that you don't have to listen to it. It is a big part of why kids get out of sports. Looks to me like the coaches in the basketball programs put in a lot of time for their kids. But then again I really doubt that the parents notice that or care. If my kids doesn't play, the coach is bad.

Some coaches give up to 5 or 6 months of their time to their kids and sport. They probably will be lucky to get a couple of thank yous from parents and players. I for one am thankful for the coaches we have.

-- Posted by a realist on Tue, Feb 21, 2012, at 9:04 PM

These coaches are not arrogant. If you've spent anytime with them at all, you can easily see that. They spend alot of time with these kids and trust me, they are not in it for the glory. Playing time should be based on a players skill, talent, heart and drive. If kids don't show it in practice, or in the off season, other kids will. Whether you are a freshman or senior, competition and head to head play should determine who plays varsity or JV and who starts or comes in off the bench.

It's so easy to blame coaches. Come on Marshall...get behind the teams at MHS! A TEAM is made up of players and coaches. Can't have one without the other! Go OWLS

-- Posted by alloutowls on Tue, Feb 21, 2012, at 7:59 PM

Just got to the sports page tonight and saw the comments under senior night. not much interest in upper classmen during the the coach's 3 years at Marshall. Alot of them quit his first year. Kinda hard to understand. Seems to me a senior should be on varsity not JV anyway. Seniors deserve more respect--many of them worked up the ranks of their sports, looking forward to their turn at the top.

-- Posted by WickedWitch on Tue, Feb 21, 2012, at 7:38 PM

I just wish there was more emphasis placed on the kids that we have and the jobs they do. Sometimes that comes with age and time in the coaching field. Without the kids, we wouldn't need coaching to begin with. I think that gets lost in the hustle and bustle at times. Not knocking any coaching, not my style, but the over tome at times is one of arrogance and not one of togetherness. I want a coach that will go to war with me, not someone who wants to sit back and look good and take all the credit. Maybe if there was more humbleness and a willingness to accept that the kids we have allow them to do a job they get to do then things might change. Too many me first types of coaches out there in my opinion.

-- Posted by Bigger Picture on Tue, Feb 21, 2012, at 3:20 PM

I agree Bigger Picture - very well said! Kudos to this young man! And we wonder why there aren't more upper classmen playing sports in Marshall???

-- Posted by Gregory Defouw on Tue, Feb 21, 2012, at 1:17 PM

Lest we forget...

Racism: A History (1/3) "The Colour of Money" - BBC documentary (2007)


-- Posted by news across on Tue, Feb 21, 2012, at 5:33 AM

Jo, I don't know why, but I had it in my head that you were around Marshall. Maybe you've gone back to the Hoover Dam area. :)

Well, I'm looking forward to meeting up with you one day, somewhere.

I'm about out of family in Saline County, too. I have one sister left there and she's on her last legs.

-- Posted by Slater on Tue, Feb 21, 2012, at 12:07 AM

Senior Night?

Great job Owls, way to work.

The one disappointing part of the night, Senior Night, was not being able to see ALL Seniors dressed out and sitting with the rest of the team during their last home Varsity game. Whether or not it was ever intended for the individual to play or not, courtesy for the hard work, dedication, and effort that was given should have been rewarded. To look over at all the kids who didn't participate in the game, I am sure it would have been easy to get that one left out Senior onto the sideline, or even in the game for the first possession just to show some recognition. This is an area that the current coaching regime needs to continue developing in. Without these kids, your jobs would be obsolete. Take the steps to recognize that.

-- Posted by Bigger Picture on Mon, Feb 20, 2012, at 12:09 PM

Slater: All my People are gone ,so i haven't been in Marshall for years! I had a Cousin that ran the Tavern in Slater back in the 50's ! Her Name was Candy.She wasn't there but a short time! All my People are buried in Marshal! But! like the song go's,( don't get around much any more)! My get along is slowing down. ha. Glad to hear your well!

-- Posted by Jo on Mon, Feb 20, 2012, at 11:49 AM

thanks Mr. Crump! I wasn't even aware that marshall cinema had a website.

-- Posted by Almost Critical on Mon, Feb 20, 2012, at 10:50 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
You're welcome! I think the website is fairly new.


So I get that you can't tattoo or pierce without a liscense, but is it illegal to own the tools? Were they caught in the act of illegal tattooing?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Mon, Feb 20, 2012, at 10:40 AM

Is there trash pick up today? I haven't seen anything in the paper saying otherwise but it is a federal holiday.

-- Posted by momaster on Mon, Feb 20, 2012, at 8:01 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
No one here received a notice about a change in schedule, so I assume the regular pickup schedule applies.

Hi Jo,

Yep, getting along okay, and I'm still able to see this computer screen. :)

You know, I have no memory of drinking fountains around the square, but in my younger years, trips to Marshall with my parents were strictly business - we got what we went for and that was it.

Jo, on my next trip to the Marshall area I plan to look you up to say howdy. :)

-- Posted by Slater on Mon, Feb 20, 2012, at 12:46 AM

Has anyone heard if Marshall Cinema is doing a matinee tomorrow? That was such a great idea on martin luther king day. Please let me know ASAP. Thanks.

-- Posted by Almost Critical on Sun, Feb 19, 2012, at 9:13 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Looks like they are having a matinee today:


Yea Slater! Everything's fine,how you been. Is your Eyes OK? On the front page they were asking about the (what i remember) were Drinking Fountains.I wonder if that's what their talking about? I think they were removed in the late 40's or early 50", when they widen the Square if i remember right. Do you recall or anyone else?

-- Posted by Jo on Sun, Feb 19, 2012, at 1:18 PM

Here's what I'd call an interesting anecdote:

Each year at this time the City of San Antonio hosts the livestock and rodeo event, and Friday night my daughter went. She called yesterday morning and said Will Smith of Marshall, MO performed in the bronc riding and team roping events.

Although he didn't need a front loader to haul away his prize money, according to the winners list, I'm sure he enjoyed his stay down here.

-- Posted by Slater on Sun, Feb 19, 2012, at 12:27 AM

Hey Jo! You doin' alright my friend? :)

-- Posted by Slater on Sat, Feb 18, 2012, at 11:31 PM

Well, what I meant was, 24 hours to file charges or release them. My understanding you can't be held indefinitely without being charged. Thanks Eric

-- Posted by Jessa on Sat, Feb 18, 2012, at 9:58 PM

Thank you Eric. Doesn't the prosecutor have 24 hrs from the arrest?

-- Posted by Jessa on Sat, Feb 18, 2012, at 7:22 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
No, I don't think so. There is a statute of limitations on some crimes, but I think it's usually months or years, not hours.

When will we know the details of who the five people who were arrested are?

-- Posted by Jessa on Sat, Feb 18, 2012, at 4:56 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
When charges are filed.

We'll keep you alive from eight to five,

five days when you seek.

Saturday, like Sunday, is our fun day,

we'll see you the first of the week!

(Popped in my mind as I read these posts, and I couldn't resist sharing) ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Feb 18, 2012, at 1:11 PM

Slater,you've got that right!

-- Posted by Jo on Sat, Feb 18, 2012, at 12:37 PM

The "practice" of medicine seems to have evolved from a 24/7 commitment to an 8-5, Monday to Friday commitment, which says, don't get sick on the weekends. Right, Dr. Who. We'll get sick only during the week, and only between the hours of 8a.m. and 5p.m.

It's all about this $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ rather than this $$$$$$$$.

-- Posted by Slater on Sat, Feb 18, 2012, at 12:07 PM


I hope we can get something started. A NP would be great too; anyone that see a sick kiddo and get us started on antibiotic before the start of the next week! I for one do not like tying up ER for a sore throat (although I know plenty of people don't mind) however also just the expense of the ER. There is NOT an urgent care in Saline County. I even checked the new Slater clinic thinking surely they were at least open until noon on Sat...nope...

-- Posted by KW on Sat, Feb 18, 2012, at 11:18 AM

I agree we need some place to see a Dr. or nurse practitioner on week-ends. It never fails kids come home on Friday sick. The only option locally is the ER, and that stinks! What an opportunity for someone to do a good thing.

-- Posted by meagain on Sat, Feb 18, 2012, at 9:18 AM

Since when does the band play the pep song before the national anthem? I just noticed that at tonight's game. Also, congrats to the varsity boys basketball team for a hard-fought game.

-- Posted by JClover on Fri, Feb 17, 2012, at 11:45 PM

Does anyone know of an urgent care facility open on weekends that is closer than Columbia or Brookfield? Since MVP doesn't see patients anymore on Sat. I now have 2 ER copays for something that could have been taken care of by a phone call. However when I called MVP and asked for physician on call I was told to go to ER. FYI Marshall - a town the size of Brookfield, MO (5500) has a FABULOUS urgent care at their hospital. I have insurance...I do not want to go to ER for NON-EMERGENCY situations!

-- Posted by KW on Fri, Feb 17, 2012, at 9:42 PM

I can tell you from many years of experience that Eric is about as fair and objective as a newspaper edidtor can get.

Take it from a guy who has had quite a number of comments deleted (lol).

The MDN has standards and policies and enforcing those standards and policies is one of the jobs Eric performs. That's his job. Its what he is supposed to do. He does not have "favorites" and comments posted by those of us who are readers of the MDN all must meet the same minimum requirements for posting. If a comment meets the MDN standards and polcies, it stays. If a comment does not meet the MDN standards and policies, it gets deleted. Its fair, its reasonable, and its the way it is.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Feb 16, 2012, at 2:36 PM

BellyJeans - I didn't see your comment, so I don't know what it was. I believe Meagain's comment was probably left solely because Eric had responded to it, to try an avoid further questions.

You'll note that he didn't directly answer her question.

Trust me, if only "some" people were allowed to comment, there'd be a lot more deletions on this site.

-- Posted by koeller77 on Thu, Feb 16, 2012, at 12:20 PM

I checked with MPD. It was determined to be an unintentional discharge of a firearm. No charges.

-- Posted by Eric Crump on Thu, Feb 16, 2012, at 10:36 AM

Eric last night I heard on the scanner something about shots fired on the 700 block of west Thomas, Have you heard anything?

-- Posted by Selmac8 on Thu, Feb 16, 2012, at 4:41 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
I heard the scanner traffic, too. We'll check with police this morning to see what happened.

oh whatever, you are picking and choosing. Meagin asked how the baby was doin and you didn't delete her!!!! My point proven!!!!!

-- Posted by BellyJeans on Wed, Feb 15, 2012, at 9:37 PM

Eric, why was my post deleted???????????? I am really beginning to think only certain people are allowed to comment on anything. MDN is just like the rest of this town!!!!

-- Posted by BellyJeans on Wed, Feb 15, 2012, at 9:15 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
It referred to an alleged crime. We don't allow comments on crime stories. It also asked a question about the victim of the alleged crime that can't be answered in this space.

Just curious if someone could update us on the baby that was the victim of abuse. I have been saing a prayer for the child and family each day since I read the article. I hope the child is doing well:)

-- Posted by meagain on Wed, Feb 15, 2012, at 3:17 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Federal regulations prohibit health care workers from releasing that information. If a member of the family wishes to let the community know how the baby is doing, I would encourage them to call the paper and ask for me. 660-886-2233. Any comments posted on the website will be deleted, though, because I have no way of knowing whether the person posting the information is authorized by the family to do so.

New Jersey to fly flags at half staff for Whitney Huston....WTH!!!!! What a bunch of Hog-Wash...Give Me A Break...

-- Posted by Marshall Man on Wed, Feb 15, 2012, at 9:52 AM

Does anyone know what that alarm was for a bit ago? I couldn't understand what the man was saying, and have gotten several phone calls at my office asking about it...

-- Posted by MG2008 on Wed, Feb 15, 2012, at 9:21 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
It was a test of Missouri Valley College's emergency system. Sorry we didn't get an advance notice posted. My fault.

Went to my first MSDC meeting this morning. That group has a lot going on. Don't let anyone tell you differently. Go Bill Riggins!

-- Posted by Amy Crump on Tue, Feb 14, 2012, at 9:45 PM

Happy Valentine's Day, to you, Slater, and everyone else as well!

Sending you all hearts & flowers from Wisconsin! :-)

-- Posted by koeller77 on Tue, Feb 14, 2012, at 3:49 PM


-- Posted by Slater on Tue, Feb 14, 2012, at 12:25 PM

Upsedaisy, yes that's Elm Street out there to the east of the schools. When the new high school was built at that location, a circular drive of sorts was formed at the front, and that was closed off, I guess not too long after the school opened for business, but is now open again. My daughter and I went inside because I wanted her to see the football in the trophy case that sat just inside the front door. It was the ball from the 1948 game with Marshall which Slater won 61-0. My brother scored 4 touchdowns in that game, I'm proud to say. :)

My old homeplace sits on the northwest corner of Jenkins and Euclid, where I was born December 11, 1941. I was supposed to have been born at the hospital in Marshall, but a big snow came the night before, so I entered the world at home, 7:28 a.m., doctor in attendance. Although I no longer have blood relatives in Slater, the property is still in the family, in a manner of speaking. It's now owned by the son of my cousin, and that makes me happy.

That's Front Street where your relative lived. Interesting about the archery targets. That was a hobby of mine as well - no hunting, just for enjoyment.

So you've experienced that taste bud change, too. I've heard that from a number of people, even before it began to happen for me, but, unfortunately, I haven't yet lost the taste for sweets.

-- Posted by Slater on Tue, Feb 14, 2012, at 12:24 PM

OKR, I know your intention was honorable, so stop fretting. I was just having a little fun with your choice of words, and at your expense, I admit. :)

-- Posted by Slater on Tue, Feb 14, 2012, at 12:04 PM


I remember the high school, my aunt lived in a home directly across the street (Elm?) from the front. Great-great uncle Roscoe Howard worked for the town. His home, I think was on the same street as the rr station. The home is gone now, replaced by grain elevators. I remember his archery targets in the side yard. Interesting your changing taste buds. Same here--I find I like sugar less and less. Fortunate turn of events for it keeps the pounds off. Desultory or down memory lane: No one HAS to read. There will not be a test. Enjoyed the first night of the Dog Show.

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Mon, Feb 13, 2012, at 10:13 PM

By the way I used a modifier, (deliciously desultory) to, I had hoped convey the positive aspects of the word desultory as defined. Some portions of its definition are nearly contrary to one another. Mea maxima culpa.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Feb 13, 2012, at 6:29 PM

Slater I used the word desultory as a compliment to you guys, absolutely no insult intended.In hindsight, it was probably a poor choice of word.

Just to set it straight if I can, desultory - marked by lack of definite plan or regularity or purpose; jumping from one thing to another; "desultory thoughts"; "the desultory conversation characteristic of cocktail parties" (or front porch sits). :)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Feb 13, 2012, at 1:50 PM

Upsedaisy and NB,

We make "desultory" conversation. (heh heh - short e sound)

-- Posted by Slater on Mon, Feb 13, 2012, at 12:48 PM


You may know this already, but the old Kiva Theatre became a bowling alley back at the beginning of the 1960s, but it's now gone, the victim of a fire.

I recently learned that about a year ago the location was being considered for an ice rink - open air I presume. The walls are still there, so it would be a minimal effort to make it into one.

If you remember where the high school building is situated (built in the 1930s), The Little Store is across the street to the west of the high school.

I can't remember any of the street names, and it's weird about that. I was born and raised in Slater, and I never bothered to learn the street names. Didn't need to know them-then. But now is a little different when I'm talking to someone about someone from there and where they lived.

-- Posted by Slater on Mon, Feb 13, 2012, at 2:10 AM


Thanks for the link, and, no, I have not found a like item, but I figure I won't, since my taste buds have gone haywire in my advancing years. I won't be surprised if it turns out I don't even like the stuff any longer. Ha!

-- Posted by Slater on Mon, Feb 13, 2012, at 1:54 AM

A little reminder: Afghanistan


-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Feb 13, 2012, at 12:25 AM

Oklahoma Reader

Yes indeed mate.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Feb 12, 2012, at 4:08 AM

News I had forgotten John Henry's Hammer. He was as outrageous as some of the others.

Having been around here so long, I believe that you, me and several others have a pretty good idea which ones are gonna streak across the blogs, then crash, and burn.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Feb 12, 2012, at 2:14 AM

Ah, but upsedaisy on this blog we can imagine whatever suits us to a tea. ;)

Thanks ND for the vote of confidence.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Feb 11, 2012, at 9:33 PM

Howdy to all,

Thanks for the history of Little Store. I should remember it, for I was definitely in Slater in the 30s and 40s. But I can't. Of course, I remembered the KIVA theater on the other side of the street:(

Yes, it would be good to hear from White Tornado again.

OKR, the arctic blast has all the sweet tea drinkers seeking a place by the fire rather than the rocking chair on the porch.

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Sat, Feb 11, 2012, at 8:54 PM

I meant land of the lost, brain flatulence I reckon.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Feb 11, 2012, at 2:51 PM

Slater, NB, and upsedaisy, I too have enjoyed your front porch, evening breeze, and ice tea, deliciously desultory conversation. It has been a calming change of pace. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Feb 11, 2012, at 2:25 PM

Hey News, I liked your tribute song to those now in the land of the loss. She is awesome.

However, in a different way I think the following link to a song also is a fitting tribute, in a slightly different way; Paul Simon, "Still Crazy After All These Years". This is my favorite version of the song. It is unplugged with Michael Brecker on sax. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46bkXgxb6...

ND I too miss WT. I sort of halfway thought he might have reappeared with ew stimulating the religion blog. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Feb 11, 2012, at 2:19 PM

Slater, did you ever find the old fashion ribbon candy you were looking for?

Vermont Country Store has it!


-- Posted by nouveaublogger on Sat, Feb 11, 2012, at 7:06 AM

Oklahoma Reader

I liked Raytown Bill. He had a lot of energy and unusual ideas.

Another memorable one was John's hammer. I loved it the day John posted his political manifesto. I almost died laughing when I read it. Then I thanked goodness John would likely never ever be in any position to put his manifesto into effect.

Yeah John was a lot of fun to have around.

3rd Child was always rather entertaining as well. I can imagine 3rd Child is out there somewhere busily organizing some Tea Party gathering of one sort or another.

Anyway, I wish them all the best and I am posting this song video link in their honor. May their lives be happy and long.


-- Posted by news across on Sat, Feb 11, 2012, at 2:41 AM

Well, it appears Earl U.aka Ole Earl, Tigrrrrrr, is already banished, in near record time mind you. I think I must have missed the comment, or comments that voided his presence.

I must say that I tried to warn him, but he rowed his own boat, and some, not me, might even say without all his oars in the water. Now he is off in Never, Never Land with JJ, Third World, and Raytown Bill.

One thing for sure is that there are no grounds to accuse Eric of political, nor social bias as he has banished folks of various persuasions.

May they rest in peas, with a little corn, and an occasional rhubarb.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Feb 11, 2012, at 12:15 AM

Hey Slater, thanks for filling in for me in my absence.

Upsedaisy, the little store was built in the 1930s and I cannot remember the man's name who built it. The Wood's bought the store in 1939, or 40. As far as I know, it's always been called the Little Store. Ethel is the one who started the lunch counter by putting in a grill to serve hamburgers and hot dogs to the school kids. She told me the kids had an hour for lunch at that particular time. My husband grew up in Slater and ate lunch at the store, he said there were possibly 2 chairs and 1 small table, so everyone stood up, outside if the weather was nice. He stated Peck always sat in a rocking chair by the wood stove, so he placed on there in his honor. I believe we are the 5th or 6th owners of the store since they retired and sold the store, which used to house pinball machines and a pool table and juke box (after all the grocery equipment was removed). We did remodel and removed the pool table and juke box, sadly, for lack of use. I suppose the kids have their video games awaiting them. The kids today have 2 lunch shifts and only 20 minutes. But it's hopping for that 40 minutes of the day. Other than that the coffee pot is always on...........

-- Posted by nouveaublogger on Fri, Feb 10, 2012, at 10:04 PM

Hi Upsedaisy,

About all I can tell you regarding the business that went by The Little Store is that it was owned and operated by Lester and Ethel Wood for as long as I can remember. It was a neighborhood grocery which also included a lunch counter - the forerunner to the fast-food places, I'd say. I'm sure NB will be able to add much more detail about its history. :)

NB had hoped to acquire photos of its early years, and I scoured some of the people from my time, but I wasn't able to turn up any. My guess is that it would be random if any do exist.

Maybe around June 2009 the MDN did a story on NB and the business, but I don't remember how much historical detail was included, and I'd be speculating if I said that Lester and Ethel were the first operators.

-- Posted by Slater on Fri, Feb 10, 2012, at 9:42 AM

Better break out your walking shoes, looks like we're fixin' to do the gas dance again!

-- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, Feb 10, 2012, at 8:58 AM

Thanks, opin. Plenty of stuff to do and see out there. :)

-- Posted by Slater on Thu, Feb 9, 2012, at 10:33 PM

I wish I could go to Dublin. Sadly,I don't have any available vacation time, or I would sign on the vertual dotted line.

I am far from able to retire, so I must continue working.

-- Posted by meagain on Thu, Feb 9, 2012, at 4:23 PM

Smart Dog,

Love it!

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Thu, Feb 9, 2012, at 10:27 AM

A wise man once told me, "Every village has it's idiot."

He further went on to say "try not to let it be you."

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Thu, Feb 9, 2012, at 8:57 AM

Slater - The seniors are headed to San Diego for their trip.

-- Posted by opin on Thu, Feb 9, 2012, at 6:56 AM

Slater and NB,

I was struck by the New England start too. Could you talk about the Little Store's history?

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Wed, Feb 8, 2012, at 11:43 PM

I never got a look at the purple and gold picnic tables, but maybe next time. Speaking of colors, anything going on across the street to your east that I'd find interesting? I tried following the business about the search for a new superintendent, but I haven't seen any mention in the MDN lately, and I'm no longer a subscriber to the SMSN.

Our visit up there in '10 caused my daughter a bit of subconscious angst, I believe. I perceived her urgent desire to get out of town, so we did, leaving a few things undone. My wife gave off the same vibes when we were there in '06, so I'll be making other arrangements for the next time.

Where are the seniors off to this spring?

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, Feb 8, 2012, at 11:40 PM


I understand completely....been on a little vacation to the third floor for a couple of weeks now myself. When the hubs decides he can run things (which I have successfully managed for the past six years)better...I tend to let him prove it! ROTFLMAO...but quietly...;)!

I'm sorry, forgive my manners, Earl...how do you do? Fairly well, as I see in most of your posts. So, to you I'm new here...and, you just decided to jump on my band wagon and start insulting and yawning? Sorry, if we bore you. One would think with all of your wealth, you have the ability to entertain yourself in many other ways and situations.

-- Posted by nouveaublogger on Wed, Feb 8, 2012, at 10:04 PM


Our next-door neighbor is from England, and she wants my wife to make a trip with her, so I found the closest passport app place to us and put the info in an email. She responded by asking if I was trying to get rid of her. :)

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, Feb 8, 2012, at 9:18 PM

Ignore him, WTF. It's his way of trying to make friends.

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, Feb 8, 2012, at 9:13 PM

Lemme guess Earl,

With your vast wealth of which you like to boast, you bought this newspaper website and feel as if you can demand when, where and how people post?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Feb 8, 2012, at 9:08 PM


Glad to say (knock on wood)we haven't had that kind of weather, so far, this winter. I had fun telling that story to a friend only a couple of weeks ago. :) Hope you and your wife are having fun getting re-aquainted on a 24-7 basis. From my experience, it can be frustrating some days...LOL. And...what is retirement? I don't think I will ever see that, given the longevity of my genetic make-up and the fact the government upped the age to draw SS!

Yes, Ethel was from Vermont and she still had that East Coast accent when she spoke, very charming! I knew she wasn't from Missouri the first time she said the word "burgers"! HA!

-- Posted by nouveaublogger on Wed, Feb 8, 2012, at 4:13 PM

Very good to see you again, NB!

I don't know that you said anything to make me think she was already gone. Most likely it was the passage of time. I never knew anything about her, about either of them, really, and I didn't know she was from New England until I read the notice. Thinking about that, about how people end up where they do, is like playing a game of trivial pursuit to me.

Life goes on, and we make our adjustments. I'm extremely disappointed by our government's self-absorption and indifference to the plight of the people, but it is a two-way street.

Life is quiet here. My wife has retired a second time, so now I'm sharing the house full-time. :) I'd planned to make a trip up that way last fall, and my daughter was coming along, but her schedule got turned upside down at the last minute, so we put it off. The airline has my money, and I don't intend to forfeit it, so I'll be enroute in the not too distant future.

This time of year makes me think about your story of losing your overshoes in the snow on the way home from school. :)

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, Feb 8, 2012, at 1:57 PM

I appreciate the links, meagain. Thanks very much!

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, Feb 8, 2012, at 1:22 PM

Thanks Eric,

I'm just keeping in touch make sure is not swept under the all ready full rug......

-- Posted by momandgramma on Wed, Feb 8, 2012, at 8:39 AM

FYI: http://nbcpolitics.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2...

-- Posted by nouveaublogger on Tue, Feb 7, 2012, at 9:23 PM

Hi Slater, and everybody. Yes, sad for Little Store history and Slater. She was a darling lady. I can't recall what I might have said to make you think she had already passed. She has been in Big Bend for several years.

We have been doing alright. Hanging in there...much as everyone else in this economy. And you and yours, how have you been?

-- Posted by nouveaublogger on Tue, Feb 7, 2012, at 6:59 PM

Here is another link:


It explains that if parents are being deported due to being caught here illegal, they have the option to take the child to their country of origin. If they have have committed a criminal act the child will be placed in foster care and the parent deported.

-- Posted by meagain on Tue, Feb 7, 2012, at 6:57 PM


I would assume that I was deleted because this is still under investigation?

As a tax payer I would like some truthful answers

-- Posted by momandgramma on Tue, Feb 7, 2012, at 6:50 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
I don't blame you. I keep in touch with law enforcement officials on this situation, and when there's something to report, we'll get the word out.

Here is a link that I found: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anchor_baby

It looks as if a baby born here does not guarantee that either parent could stay here if they are illegal, nor could that child become their parents sponsor until the child was 21.

-- Posted by meagain on Tue, Feb 7, 2012, at 6:44 PM

inthemiddle, you've raised an interesting caveat, and now I'll have to make some inquiries to see where things stand today.

Thanks for the information! :)

-- Posted by Slater on Tue, Feb 7, 2012, at 4:40 PM

Slater and meagain

In 1898 the US Supreme Court clarified the 14th Amendment. In the case of US v Wong Kim Ark, the courts essentially ruled that a person born in the USA was by birth a US citizen no matter the citizenship of either parent.

At the time, Chinese immigrants were forbidden by law to become US citizens. Wong Kim Ark was born in the USA. As an adult he visited family in China. He was forbidden entry into the USA upon his return because he was not a citizen. He sued. The Supremes ruled in his favor, and it was not a court that was known for its racial tolerance. This was the same court that allowed separate but equal segregation.

-- Posted by inthemiddle on Tue, Feb 7, 2012, at 4:12 PM

Here's the way I see it, meagain. According to the 14th Amendment, if the mother gives birth while in the U.S., the status of her U.S. citizenship determines the child's citizenship status. She is or is not a U.S. citizen, and, therefore, the child is or is not a U.S. citizen by birth. The status of the father has no bearing on the outcome.

-- Posted by Slater on Tue, Feb 7, 2012, at 4:01 PM

According to what I have read, if a child is born here; it is a citizen. If one parent is legal, the other not. The illegal one should be the only one in question. The legal one has nothing to worry about.

-- Posted by meagain on Tue, Feb 7, 2012, at 3:24 PM

The children belong to the mother's country of origin, but, as a country known for its humanitarian acts, how can we refuse to provide the needed sustenance to a family dealing with what are overwhelming circumstances in their lives? We don't, but the problem is, we don't have a workable system to differentiate between those with real needs and those whose only interest is in getting whatever they can for free - not so much different from that portion of our own population - rich or poor - with the same attitude.

-- Posted by Slater on Tue, Feb 7, 2012, at 3:21 PM

Thank's Slater, so do we keep the kid and deport the illegal parent's. Some of our law's are about as clear as mud or the rule's of golf. I think some stuff need's an update. Time's have changed and not for the most part better.

-- Posted by Marshall Man on Tue, Feb 7, 2012, at 1:50 PM

Here ya go, Marshall Man. Wonder no longer:

"The 14th Amendment was ratified in 1868 to protect the rights of native-born Black Americans, whose rights were being denied as recently-freed slaves. In 1866, Senator Jacob Howard clearly spelled out the intent of the 14th Amendment by writing:

"Every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the United States. This has long been a great desideratum in the jurisprudence and legislation of this country."

-- Posted by Slater on Tue, Feb 7, 2012, at 12:33 PM

Hello NB,

I just saw the notice for Ethel Wood and, after our conversation about her in 2009(?), I didn't realize that she was still living.

So, how are you? Haven't seen you around these parts for a while.

-- Posted by Slater on Tue, Feb 7, 2012, at 12:09 PM

Any one have any opinion on Anchor Babies, children who are born here in the U.S. to illegal immigrant parent's. Should they be a U.S. citizen? What if just one parent is legal? Should they be able to get welfare, food stamp's etc? I know what I think but would like to hear other thought's.

-- Posted by Marshall Man on Tue, Feb 7, 2012, at 11:54 AM

I heard the sirens of the fire trucks during the game tonight. Be safe fellas! You are all appreciated!!!

-- Posted by thebirdman on Sun, Feb 5, 2012, at 9:25 PM

Justice for Baby Aria

-- Posted by BellyJeans on Sun, Feb 5, 2012, at 12:05 PM

The scary danger of meat, even for those that don't eat it. http://www.truth-out.org/scary-danger-me...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Feb 5, 2012, at 12:27 AM

Not to worry SC - the only trouble you caused me was a fit of laughter that I managed to get under control. I will admit that I also noticed an odor waifting through the website. I should also point out that while I did accuse you of name calling I did not specify which one I thought you were calling a name...

-- Posted by broke-n-busted on Sat, Feb 4, 2012, at 11:25 PM

Well, B-N-B, I'm glad you had your grappling hooks at the ready.

-- Posted by Slater on Sat, Feb 4, 2012, at 4:23 PM

OKR - Been here all along. Didn't have nothin' to say. Cheetah kicked me over the edge with the jj jab.

-- Posted by broke-n-busted on Sat, Feb 4, 2012, at 4:04 PM

Awwwww somebody is being mean. Stawp it!

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sat, Feb 4, 2012, at 5:33 AM

Good to see you Broke'n'busted. miss your comments.

Triangulated Earl I like your posts even if few others do.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Feb 3, 2012, at 6:03 PM

Hey you tried sheepdip, kudos to you. Why not keep doing it? At least you will get the satisfaction of aggravating the miscreants. It won't be the same degree of aggravation that would transpire from recieving a ticket, but it helps.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Feb 3, 2012, at 5:52 PM

lol - Now that's name calling.

-- Posted by broke-n-busted on Fri, Feb 3, 2012, at 3:40 PM

Oklahoma Reader. I have tried that many times and you don't know how friendly folks are. Got the old one finger salute so many times i gave up. Still think if the police would do there job people would soon get the message.

-- Posted by sheepdip on Fri, Feb 3, 2012, at 2:47 PM

Sheepdip, you, and the rest of, us including the police, may want to consider flashing headlamps, either on, and off, or to high beam when passing motorists whose lights are not on when it is raining. It would be a courteous reminder to those who have simply forgotten to activate head lamps. For those who are unaware that it is a safe driving technique (whether a law or not), it would send an important message. If such folk were faced with a parade of oncoming blinking lights, most would soon get the message. Watcha think?

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Feb 3, 2012, at 1:50 PM

Mr. Editor:

I love how well you've been keeping the FB feed updated! I don't always have time to pop over here to see the website, but I always know when there's a good story posted by looking at my FB feed.

Keep up the good work!

-- Posted by koeller77 on Fri, Feb 3, 2012, at 1:14 PM

As I drive around town this morning there are many cars with wipers going and no headlights on. The police meet these cars and just go on, I thought it was the law to turn lights on when wiper were use. I just wonder why they don't stop these cars when they see them. Oh I forgot they would have to get out of the patrol car to write a ticket silly me.

-- Posted by sheepdip on Fri, Feb 3, 2012, at 12:52 PM

Thank you.

-- Posted by kkmom on Fri, Feb 3, 2012, at 9:06 AM

Wow, I guess its just easier to delete people's comments and questions that to do a little investigative reporting! Good job MDN! Maybe those of us who are concerned for this innocent child need to contact Fox 4 news so that her story can be heard because our local news reporters are not interested... So sad!

-- Posted by kkmom on Fri, Feb 3, 2012, at 8:52 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:

So, I guess in some parts of the country there'll be six more weeks of weather? And then what?

Hey Earl! Do you have groundhogs in Morocco?

-- Posted by Slater on Fri, Feb 3, 2012, at 12:02 AM

How was I commenting on a story that doesn't even exist?? Wow!! I saw others asking questions about someone running from the law and resisting arrest and blah blah blah.....I was asking out of concern....sheeeshh!

-- Posted by Jessa on Thu, Feb 2, 2012, at 10:35 PM

Guess some people can't even ask questions. That is just plain RUDE!!!!!

-- Posted by Jessa on Thu, Feb 2, 2012, at 9:47 PM

Why was my post deleted??????????

-- Posted by Jessa on Thu, Feb 2, 2012, at 9:46 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Our policy is to not allow comments on crime-related stories. If you have news tips or questions about coverage of stories, please call 660-886-2233 or email ecrump@marshallnews.com.

Earl I enjoy your wit. I probably went overboard with my last comment. Sorry about that.

Don't gather around the flag pole on a cold day with your tongue hanging out.


-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Feb 2, 2012, at 8:47 PM

Earl are you one of those one percenters that spends a lot of time looking for the seven percent solution?

Hope you don't get snow bound.

Scoopy doo!

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Feb 2, 2012, at 7:58 PM

I would feed the cows Earl, but there is a dog in the manger.

Hay, what do you think about that?

Fork it over?

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Feb 2, 2012, at 7:38 PM

Earl have you traveled inward recently? It can be a hell of a trip.

Innies, and outies,

don't look down on either one.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Feb 2, 2012, at 7:28 PM

Earl did you recently return from a trip to the Australian Outback, one you forgot to tell us about? :)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Feb 2, 2012, at 7:09 PM

Are you a worlds traveler Earl, or just another mundane world traveler? Expand your horizons, expand your mind.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Feb 2, 2012, at 6:58 PM

All aboard for Namia, Barsom, Kandrakar, and Ethshar, Leaving in a moment, back in a moment. Hitch Hikers welcome. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Feb 2, 2012, at 6:46 PM

Ah flights of fancy. No harm in that. In fact it is a trip often good for those who partake, and may be enjoyable to those who hear of them. Entertain us Earl.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Feb 2, 2012, at 6:25 PM

Keep On Keepin On Earl!!!! I love it, your full of something and it ain't Bologna but your the BOMB... If you ever need someone to tag along on your adventure's hit me up..Peace out Bro.

-- Posted by Marshall Man on Thu, Feb 2, 2012, at 10:30 AM

The sheriff from Plainview said he'd sent word that he needed the help of the Rangers to control the lynch mob.

Texas Ranger Tim Vallance said, "I'm here!"

The sheriff replied, "Just one of you??"

Sgt. Vallance said, "You have just one mob, right?"

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, Feb 1, 2012, at 11:23 PM

"There ain't nothin' more powerful than the odor of mendacity...

Big Daddy--"Cat On A Hot Tin Roof"

Oops! This was supposed to go on the movie quotes blog, maybe?

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Feb 1, 2012, at 8:14 PM

Doesn't matter how you spell it...baloney is just B-O-L-O-G-N-A, Earl. Say Hi to the folks at the Casbah.

-- Posted by Miss Marple on Wed, Feb 1, 2012, at 7:55 PM

Is it just me or have some comments been deleted or otherwise hidden?

-- Posted by jd.wilson65 on Wed, Feb 1, 2012, at 4:33 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Comments get deleted almost daily.

All too brief, Unkie...that's a lightning trip to NWT.

-- Posted by Miss Marple on Wed, Feb 1, 2012, at 4:18 PM

Oh, Smokin'....I love your posts.

-- Posted by koeller77 on Wed, Feb 1, 2012, at 1:36 PM

Heh heh...Right, Editor Crump. Evidently the last post I made about ____ ___ posts "appeared" to violate posting policy. :)

No worries, Mr. Editor! It's all in good, clean fun! Laughter is the best medicine, according to that page in the Reader's Digest.

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, Feb 1, 2012, at 12:56 PM

I think I smell fish again! Just on certain crime stories I understand!! Because you can go back and search an comment on certain ones!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

-- Posted by Salesman1 on Wed, Feb 1, 2012, at 12:52 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Sorry. Commenting is a privilege. Crime stories have a long history of attracting inappropriate comments. It takes too much time to monitor them.

Can you believe a month of the new year is already gone?

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, Feb 1, 2012, at 12:41 PM

How come some of stories we can not comment on???

Sounds a little fishy to me!!!!!!!!!!

-- Posted by Salesman1 on Wed, Feb 1, 2012, at 12:24 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
We don't allow comments on crime-related stories. We also turn off the commenting feature in cases where it appears the majority of comments are being deleted for violating our posting policy.

YAY! I post first for the new month!

Happy February, everyone!

-- Posted by koeller77 on Wed, Feb 1, 2012, at 11:29 AM

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