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Olbermann has covered it extensively.
MSNBC reports about 700 arrested. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44742659/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/
in fact - the fox news web site has a fairly substantial article RIGHT NOW concerning the demonstrations, police brutality, the camps, the different cities where demonstrations are taking place, etc.
maybe folks should check things out a bit better before making uneducated comments.
the article o spoke of - dated 10-2-11 - was pretty much just news. however - a subsequent editorial piece on FOX News by columnist Dan Gainer sort of got me riled - he continued to state the entire event is "just another leftist" event ... calling the protestors anarchists, left wing radical, etc.
not on the same page there - that's for sure.
I haven't seen any coverage on our Local News,not zip! They can't hid all this forever,or can they?? Wake up America, and look these things up for your selves, Or do you really want to know how this System sucks1
Barack Obama is No Underdog. He's a Political Loser
...said the man with no credibility.
The Occupy Wall Street Fools
What happened to the America where we looked up to success instead of looking down on it as an excuse for our own failure?
Oops wrong link try this one.
This Is Why America Is Not Creating New Jobs
This says it all:"He's not just a political loser, he seems more and more an economic dolt."
There is a very clear distinction between success and rape.
rr3 - what is "successful" about big banks and investment firms getting bailed out of a mess - which they created - by taxpayer dollars? we are supposed to "look up" to these folks? if they offered to repay the taxpayers - or at least placed a moritorium on executive bonuses - that might be a bit better - but i doubt it.
Most of the Wall Street protesters they talk to don't know why they are protesting. They are just there because hey it's a party.
These Wall Street protesters are protesting capitalism, right! Should they buy stuff?
What i've been saying ever since i've been on this blog is finely coming true. All this nice talk everyone has been putting out hasn't made a dent in the troubles this Country has been facing.Maybe we have awaken the beast of Protest.I hope so! Now if the Bible Belt wakes up and joins in, and a few other Places we can shake Washington up,and a few of the Lying fools wondering around in that big Building in Washington. It all comes down to big big changes in the way the System is changed. And i mean big changes to every Branch.I think a lot of People will be hurt and even Killed but a change like that has to happen or we are going to fall like the Roman Empire,along with everyone else! If that's what has to happen to see change, RIGHT ON! I would like to see Integrity reintroduced in this Country again ,before i die! Hang on News Across it's happening everywhere! A big shout out to all young and Old Protesters,you may be Americas Heroes!
The following link is to a thought provoking commentary at "Market Watch".
Could it be that the Corporatists have over reached; to the point that the youth of the world FINALLY "get it", and are at last beginning a world wide rebellion that will not cease until equitable balance is restored?
To me it is a sign of hope, for no real seismic change ever occurs that is not spearheaded by the energy of youth.
Reid Goes Nuclear To Block The President's Stimulus Plan
This is what they had you all believing would be so terrible if the Republicans did this. It is terrible but look who did it, the party responsible for a lot of this mess and making it worse.
I don't think I am the sucker here news most of the American people have been suckers for years and the liberals want more of them. I think they are getting what they want.
So news with this president does the constitution mean anything?
The Wall Street protesters don't know why they are there. Hispanics have admitted to being paid to be there. There have been over 700 arrests.
How does that compare to a Tea Party protest?
Here is the problem with blaming the "Wall street guys"... aka "Those evil rich white guys" SOLELY for the economic crash is that they ONLY played a game within the boundaries of the rules that were created by politicians. When you try to force some sort of social justice and that attempt goes against the forces of capitalism, then the social justice effort will fail because it relies solely on taking away productive money from the economy and from tax payers to pay for a program doomed to failure. The REAL agenda that forced this false economic boom was a social justice program attempting to force banks to lend money to low income, risky people on an idealistic concept that people somehow have a RIGHT to own a home regardless of their financial abilities or risks. THEN when local banks refused to make the loans ACORN and others boycotted and protested banks and the Fed raised the interest rates on banks refusing... so local banks were FORCED, COERCED into making risky loans to risky people so the snow ball started where they sold off risky loans and then farther down the mountain lots of these loans were bundled, traded and invested upon.... THANK YOU FRANKS, DODD, and other even way back to Carter with the Community Reinvestment Act and Clinton and the liberal progressive socialist agenda where they want to spread the wealth, redistribute the wealth of those who EARN their way in life and give it to those who dont.
I have to agree with Mr Cain..... if you are not rich BLAME YOURSELF.... that includes me. lol
Here is a list of "demands" from the "occupy wallstreet" astroturf.... sounds exactly like the communist manifesto
Then there is the list of "demands" made by the Occupy Wall Street Movement:
*Restoration of the living wage.
*Institute a universal single payer healthcare system.
*Guaranteed living wage income regardless of employment.
*Free college education.
*Begin a fast track process to bring the fossil fuel economy to an end.
*One trillion dollars in infrastructure spending, now.
*One trillion dollars in ecological restoration.
*The decommissioning of all of America's nuclear power plants.
*Racial and gender equal rights amendments.
*Open borders migration.
*Bring American elections up to international standards.
*Immediate across the board debt forgiveness for all.
*Outlaw all credit reporting agencies.
*Allow all workers access to unionization and collective bargaining at any time.
you can find that list of demands on the Occupywallstreet.org website...
On a different topic... China and the Green industry... China and its economy behaves just like you all complain about Walmart... they utilize intentionally cheap labor to undercut the US And European businesses then when they have the greatest market share, or even before, they make cheap, poorly made, sometimes posionous products. Their green industry is no different. BUT in this case they are not utilizing their own green energy but instead are building more and more coal plants to generate electricity.
When we push the artificial market of "green" energy, we are ONLY helping build up the economy of China, much like we do with every artificial financial stimulus plan when we borrow money from other nations such as china... all while we take tax payer money from tax payers and send back to those very same nations for different types of aide or social programs....... you know, the same nations we are borrowing money from .
no matter how much a rich person is forced to contribute in taxes... you all will never be happy... there is not enough money in the world to support your crack-like spending addiction where you think the government should be providing all things for all people instead of demanding that people take care of their selves.
Life is not fair and no amount of laws will make life fair, no amount of wealth redistribution will make life fair.... all blaming the rich for our problem does is make people MORE dependent on the government and less likely to do the hard work, invest the time to become a success....
Back to the occupy wall street FAKE protests... every one of those protestors participate in the very capitalist process in which they are protesting... ironic.... BUT more to the point, I could post a whole bunch of videos where people are being interviewed and they cannot answer in depth questions about why they are there... videos from most every city in which there are protests... and thank god we have the unions and michael moore to come in and financially support these people who are obviously not thinking for their selves... and if you read the signs... they are printed by socialist and communist groups... that is sadly ironically funny
I have mixed feelings about the killing of the American who is a terrorist in another nation plotting and assisting people who are attempting to kill OUR CITIZENS. The oath we take to serve in our Military, both enlisted and officers, says we will defend our nations from enemies both foreign and domestic. This Al-alwaki was a US citizen, KNOWN to have worked with most of the terrorists that attacked or atttempted to attack our nation in various ways and was in Yemen carrying out terrorist activities... THIS is an act of war against the US, even if he is a US citizen.... his behavior, being an act of war, allows for us to kill him during war... and we are at war with Terrorists and therefore anywhere we can find them is a battle field of terrorism because they will utilize anywhere for their battle field of terror.
I guess if you want to leave the borders of our nation, move in with the terror organaizations attacking your nation of origin and carry out acts of war against them, then you willfully acknowledge that you are a war time combatant and run the risk of being killed in retaliation.
On a happier note... George Soros' conviction of insider trading was upheld by the European Court
back to my mixed feelings on the issue of killing Al-Alawki..(spelling)
The problem I have is that the Department of Justice that Ok'd the death of this terrorist is the same Department of Justice that makes serious errors of judgement like when they refused to prosecut the Black Panther party people for voter intimidation, the same Dept of Justice that allowed the Gun Runner program to go on where US Border agent(s) have been killed due to their serious failed judgement, the same administration where the Vice President calls Tea partiers Terrorists, so what is to stop the Democrat logic from first saying that a Tea partier is a terrorist rhetorically to then putting the person or people who most loudly oppose Obama on a kill list?
X-Ray if you have a libertarian bone left in your body you must be against Obama's kill at will policy. What will the next President do to extend it just a bit further, then the next one, and the next one? It is a horrible precedent, and another huge rip in the already tattered fabric of democracy that shelters the people.
Is Occupy Wall St. Getting Big Name Lefty Media Help?
So wtf how do you propose changing that? Without money?
It's simple. We the people need to demand terms limits, campaign finance reform and the end to lobbyists just to name a few things. We need to make these ballot issues. These need to be enforcable laws and not empty political promises.
Oh, and we should rescend the supreme court decision to grant coporations the same rights as citizens which to me is one of the most recent and most glaring infractions.
rr3yvo,xray aand anyone else who takes the OWS lightly,
If we look at the OWS issue solely through the lens of our party you are doing ourselves a major disservice.
This issue is more than just a difference in personal income tax rates and it trancends political idealogy.
This issue is the fact that the ultra rich have bought and paid for our goverment. It is really that simple.
If we refuse to see the real issue because we are too busy hating some politican or some party then we're are all doomed. We have to wake up. We are falling victim to the age old divide and conquer tactic. Do you really think anyone in Washington ,Republican or Democrat,is really looking out for our best interests at this point?
We have to quit spending all our energy rooting for our ""when we should be rooting for every American citizen who is being flushed down the toilet. If we can't see, or refuse to see what is really going on because we are blinded by party rhetoric then we are part of the problem and you have become far worse then those we condemn.
We have played right into thier hands and they picked our pocket. So yes, I do hope the far left media is giving them some help considering what Huckabee said on FOX the other night. If we are to turn a blind eye to the realities of the situation because are stuck in some sort if idealogical quagmire then we should all be ashamed of ourselves and we'll continue to get what we deserve.
...that should have read rooting for our "team".
The Democrats Envy the Tea Party, So They Created a Bad Imitation
That's funny news.
Herman Cain Endures Lecture on Blackness from MSNBC White Guy
"This is the kind of thing that makes me think we are never going to overcome this divide because of the left. Now, they claim that they are the ones who are colorblind, they are the ones who are open-minded and tolerant, when in fact they are the biggest bigots among all of us."
ROMNEY: An eloquently justified surrender of world leadership is still surrender. I will not surrender America's role in the world. This is very simple. If you do not want America to be the strongest nation on earth, I'm not your president. You have that president today.
I'm not saying that Romney should be the nominee but I do like the point he made.
It appears to me that Obama, and those others who have designs on becoming his challenger, all either misunderstand what the people want, or are afraid to deliver it. That is why neither Obama, nor any of his prospective opponents are delivering a message that resonates with the populis.
If this is the best that politics has to offer us we are in for another ho hum election with people dragging themselves to the polls out of duty, not desire, and holding their noses as they vote for the slightly lesser evil.
If this is the best they can produce there will be abandonment of the process by the younger citizens who do get the one message that comes through loud, and clear, none of them really give a darn about the people. Consequently, as they have in the past, the young will choose different routes to make a difference.
We have to wonder why is there not even one populist candidate from either party, at this time when we all are desperate for someone, anyone, to represent us, and tell us what they will do about the continued destruction of the middle class. When we all want someone, anyone to share a vision, even fresh ideas, and no one speaks, no one steps up, it may be that we are truly done as a functioning democratic republic.
In the absence of a benevolent response from the political establishment the people will take to the streets sooner, or later.
A political response to that discord may be the only way we will ever get our troops home. It would be just like our malfunctioning government to bring the troops home at the wrong time for the wrong reason, just as our malfunctioning government sent them off at the wrong time for the wrong reason.
News I would vote Green Party, had I that option. Unfortunately Oklahoma is one of many states in which the Green Party does not have ballot access. My further misfortune is that Oklahoma has the most repressive standards in our nation regarding third party access. That is of course due to collusion between the Republican Party, and what passes for the Democratic Party.
News no write in vote is legal, we have the most restrictive ballot access law in the nation requring a greater percentage of voters sign an access petition than any other state.
Yes, I have done all the things you mention. As it stands now I will be partially disenfrachised in 2012, as I may only choose between the two tawdry parties' candidates.
There is a ray of hope as there is a ballot access bill working it's way through the legislature. We'll see.
nanadot... based on YOUR logic, if someone favors NOT taking from the rich simply because they happen to be rich, then if you are for wealth redistribution then YOU HAVE TO BE in favor of communist, Marxism and socialism. Therefore YOU are a shill for the communist party of the united states and/or any socialist party in the US.
Freedom, American Freedom, is the ability to make individual choices and then suffer the rewards or consequences of said choices... what you are saying is that the government, a body made up of a corrupted process, campaign donations for legislation bribery, and fraud, waste and a political class that considers their selves better than us common folks, is somehow a better mechanism to make choices for us. You proclaim that the political process is broke YET you want those same politicians to make all of our choices for us, pick business and industry winners and losers, tell people how much money is too much money to obtain and then tax them to death.
Anyone who buys into the class warfare arguments is buying into the propaganda from the communist parties of the 1900s....
Does our political process need fixed? SURE. But when you blame capitalism, an inanimate entity for our woes, then you FAIL to understand what the real problem is. the REAL problem is American apathy, Citizens giving up hope because it seems like nothing will ever change the whole situation we have because we have OVER PAID politicians in DC that get there and NEVER have to rely upon their constituents for their future financial well being so there is no check and balance for people sent to DC. And because the establishment politico group in DC, that includes BOTH parties and all of their advisers and managers and lobbyists and etc, is SO powerful NOTHING changes. Spending is increase exponentially ONLY because they know the MORE tax they impose on the lowly normal citizens the more power they have and the less likely they will be removed from their palaces.... It is NOT capitalism that is a fault NOR the rich people alone...... Wall streeters play by the rules that the corrupted political process create and modify in an attempt to garner more campaign dollars.... Human nature at ANY socio-economic level dictates that one looks out for ones self.... Political corruption and providing favorable legislation in exchange for more campaign dollars is NO different than the quest to abuse and fraudulently manipulate the rules of social welfare programs so you never have to work again, or so you can go out and buy the newest cell phones, hightops or support your smoking habit..... selfishness is NOT the affliction of the rich... Life is unfair and no amount of laws or wealth redistribution will make life fair or even fairer... people go get things for NOTHING will continue to exploit the system to get more just as the rich will exploit the system to get more.
OKR.... do we sit and wait for a jury to decide if an enemy combatant deserves to die for shooting at our soldiers? Terrorism and those behind it are no different than any other enemy military combatant, except they hide behind civilians and school buildings and a religion
News. because you claim the tea party is nothing more than some corporate manipulation and because the Occupy wall street is backed by George Soros and Unions and other corporate type organizations where is your outrage that OWS is a corporate manipulation as well? LOL Hypocrite
conservative free markets DO work... news... the problem is that we have liberal progressive politicos corrupting the process with restrictive rules and regulations that prevents the free market from eliminating the bad business models and where the corrupted politicians pick and choose who the winners and the losers are, where they bailout bad businesses at the expense of the tax payers who fund the bailouts and the mom and pop investors who were simply trying to provide for their own retirement. free market is not a failed system, OUR political system where we totally function based on who gives career politicians money to bribe into existence laws and rules that favor them. This is exactly why a big and growing government is HARMFUL. this is what happens when we allow the two party establishment political process to have career political people that rule from upon Mount D.C. When our society has a section of progressive liberals who attempt to get rid of every single aspect of religion and prevent the encouragement of good morals and ethics and rewards those in political positions when they do bad things by not self policing, then of course the free market will not function... G. Washington and other stated we had to have people of high morals, even men of religious virtues, or this great experiment of the Republic of the United States would FAIL. And because this political corruption, NOT capitalism or free market failure, has been going on for so long the citizens are frustrated, apathetic and have given up hope that anything will change and therefore they become easily swayed by things like the concept of taking from the rich to support a progressive addiction to spending or the concept that the rich are evil simply because they are rich.
Yes, because as we all know, only the religious are moral.
Why would a wealthy guy back a cause that rallies against the wealthy?
Mr. X Ray you are a libertarian only when it is a convenience to persuasion. Actually you appear most to be one of those shills for corporate takeover. Are they paying you for it?
X you said, "Freedom, American Freedom, is the ability to make individual choices and then suffer the rewards or consequences of said choices... what you are saying is that the government, a body made up of a corrupted process, campaign donations for legislation bribery, and fraud, waste and a political class that considers their selves better than us common folks, is somehow a better mechanism to make choices for us. You proclaim that the political process is broke YET you want those same politicians to make all of our choices for us, pick business and industry winners and losers, tell people how much money is too much money to obtain and then tax them to death."
That is not at all what ND was saying. You are good at putting words in other's mouths.
None of us on the left are saying that we want the sorry politicians (essentially corporate shills) who now are in the majority to make our choices for us, in fact there is little difference between them, and the corporate greedaholics. We don't want either of those groups running things. That is unlike you who has chosen rotten corporates, over rotten congress. Why is it that you can not recognize that they are but two sides of the same coin?
Greed must be controlled. It is preposterous to believe that the greedy should control themselves which is what you advocate. It is equally preposterous to believe that those that the greedy buy elections for will control greed. That is what you falsely accuse the left of doing.
Get this, and please address your future comments to what we believe if you value credibility. We want a REFORMED GOVERNMENT, elected by, and in tune with the needs of all human citizens. We want to pay for elections with our tax dollars. We want each viable candidate to have an equal voice when seeking office. We do not want corporations, nor unions for that matter, paying for campaigns.
Get real, or get laughed at.
There is nothing wrong with captialism, profits or corporations per se, but when these entities buy the government it is time to push back. Our supreme court should be impeached as well.
The ultra-wealthy may need thier money to build higher walls. Let'em eat cake.
News it's not my land, and it's not Woody's land, any more.
When the last century was new, as was Oklahoma, it was the most progressive/populist state in the nation. The state constitution those folks came up with is still a thorn in the side of revisionists, even after eighty years of their often successful attacks on it.
Nope ND. If the little fascists think like the big fascists, the big fascists leave them alone.
Greed & Hippies Properly Understood
What's amazing is that seemingly intelligent people are buying into this big sham. It's going to get worse though because it is in Obama's campaign play book to distract from his failures to be reelected. I guess if you think this is all legit then keep voting Democrat.
"What's amazing is that seemingly intelligent people are buying into this big sham..."
Sound familiar? Sounds an awful lot like those who buy into religion doesn't it?
I have yet to see this blog's contributing conservatives mention a candidate that they support in regard to the 2012 presidential election. Occasionally they do state, though with little emphasis, that yes, the Republicans also failed us before going back to pounding Obama, and liberal congress.
It is almost as if after their Obama/liberal inspired diatribes they are exhausted, and don't have strength, or will to say any thing else.
So, how about it, who do you believe is the best choice to lead our nation as we go forward, at least in time, if not otherwise?
Okla; In my opinion, until the entire system is restructure, there is no one or anything going to happen in this Country,but failure! But what do i know?
His gun was loaded, and so was he,
driving the highway proud, and free.
He wants the same rights for you, and me.
Wingless, Bloodsucking and Parasitic: Meet the Flea Party!
"This is the flea party, not the tea party."
You know I am torn whether to go to work as a protester or sit at home and collect unemployment what would you do?
You're trying to hard. Is that the best slam you can come up with? Once again, swing and a miss.
rr3 who you for as President in 2012? Why?
There is a bizarre dissonance when one quotes the Bible in one breath, and Ann Coulter in the next. Wow rr3!
News, Dan Coulter, LOL (not that their is anything wrong with transsexuals). I have heard that they are outraged that some assign Coulter to their community. I guess the only ones who wanted a part of Ann Coulter were his re-assignment surgeon, and the worst portion of the knuckle dragging right.
(rewritten and reposted before Eric makes my comment nevernet history)
smart dog... lol you calling me an ultra right winger?
I think that Cain speaks his mind and is most definitely NOT an establishment politician which is refreshing on both counts. I like what I hear so far, but at this point I would be concerned about his foreign policy experience or concepts, but this is mostly because I have not read nor heard him discuss this aspect of politics as of yet.
I think that he scares Obama and the Dems because he is yet another example of a minority who learned conservative values; doing the hard work, not blaming anyone else, not expecting someone else or the government to pick up the check, and the other conservative values, and then used these learned values to become a huge success in the business world. I think that this aspect of his life will resonate with many people regardless of their political leanings as long as the message gets out there. Dems seem to think that minorities ALL suffer too many societal obstacles therefore they should all just give up and accept government assistance and social welfare/justice programs instead of doing the hard work, suffering through the hard times so that you feel great about the success on the other side of the obstacles. Every time someone like Herman Cain or a woman with several kids, a long term family, or any other minority type provides America an example of how the entitlement mindset really just prevents you from real success by going against what the Dems demand minorities do or behave.... this irritates them and scares them.... God forbide that someone not be like Al Sharpton or professor West or Jesse Jackson.... you already see how they are calling him names and accusing him of only being a puppet of some conservative evil white guy... lol
Well wtf what would you do?
Are those the same conservative values that got us an illegal war and put it on a credit card? Are they also the conservative values that now applauds the fact that the US tortures people?
are those the values you are talking about?
Obama's approval rating soars after slugging banker in the face.
what the f... in no respect can you attribute wars to conservative or liberal ideals...
Here is a curious question for you... since you seem to be all knowing and all against war of any nature.... we are at war with terror and terrorist that is a fact. We were attacked by them many times. Since YOU have no clue about what the President of the United States if actually briefed about (not saying I do either) exactly what would you have done differently... I know being an arm chair Quarterback with 20/20 vison after the fact, you MUST know everything, so please tell us how YOU would prevent more terrorist acts against the US...
ND that is an excellent link. Yes that is what Liberals want.
X-ray, rr3, Jason69, and the rest, did you read that? Quit telling Liberals what they want. You don't know unless we tell you.
If you want discussion don't start by telling us what we want, and then arguing against what you say we want. Do you have any idea how absurd that is?
Here is a repeat of the link ND provided in case you didn't read it. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/10/12/1025555/-Open-Letter-to-that-53-Guy
I am telling you that is what we want, and I believe most Liberals would agree with my statement. So, I will be waiting, but not holding my breath until it happens, for you to discuss, even argue against the position stated in the link.
One would think you would be tired of blowing up a plastic dummy with your own hot air, naming it Liberal, and knocking it over. Are you up to really bringing it on?
By the way turn about is fair play. Pick your own conservative comment stating what conservatives want, provide a link, and I will be happy to discuss it, and argue against it if I disagree. I also think others would.
Don't be throwing Rush, or Coulter out there. You may not know it, but they are at the bottom of the conservate barrel, and there are other much better spoke persons for conservatism.
One caveat. I expect an answer to the above challenge before I will honor yours.
How you can tell when a liberal is losing the argument.
They attack your morality, for example:
If you are discussing immigration and they disagree you are a 'racist'.
If you are worried about radical Islam then you are 'Islamophobic'.
If you want your kids to get the best education you are an 'elitist'.
If you think marriage requires one man and one woman then you are 'homophobic'.
If you think there are obvious differences between men and women then you are a 'sexist'.
They think their opponent is so evil that their truth is tainted by their depravity. But the liberal thinks that being nice and good and caring that they win.
In a fact based debate the conservative always wins unless the liberal can destroy their character. Because that is all they have, just look at the current presidential campaign are they running on their successes or blaming and attempting to destroy their opponent? You decide.
Does anyone believe this Cain who is running for President? He says his 9-9-9 plan will add 6 million jobs. I would like the people who believe this to raise their hands?
In my opinion this is a slap in the face to informed voters. I wonder how Fox news is going to push this one across and did I mention his plan will raise taxes on the middle class and lower taxes for the rich.
You tell lies long enough, to some it becomes fact! The Politicians have found this out. That the Journalist will keep on Printing it, when they know the actual Facts themselves! Why is this happening? Are People stupid? I have almost given up looking for the actual facts. Maybe that's what the liars are depending on,wearing you down with disgust for everyone. You know we did it too ourselves by giving the Majority back in Congress. Obama wasted everyone's time when they had the Majority! I'm looking at some of these (supposedly) Democrats. Third Party Absolutely!! I hope everyone has signed the Bernie Sanders Proposal on getting the Money out of Politic,I seen it on Dylan Ratigan show!
Fair, Fair, Fair that is what is nonsense Nana. You won't define it because you can't. You want to empower the government to to take what you can't. "Thou shall not covet" one of the ten commandments but you don't believe that because it don't fit your argument. This protest is nonsense but it fits your agenda so you will lift it up. I am right on the money, you are wrong.
Cheesy I'm don't know the details of the 999 plan. Are you commenting from a point of knowledge or speculation with no knowledge?
What you just stated is utter nonsense. The whole arguement is not about captialism or taxes per se, both are necessary. The arguement is that the the hyper wealthy have bought OUR govt. lock, stock and barrel. Now they can manipulate the laws with impunity in their favor and the rest of us can eat cake. Do you not see this? Do you refuse to see this?
The thought occurs to me that people choose to rely on their emotions, or their rational minds, sometimes both. Sadly the majority do not have the opportunity to make the choice.
I would like to point out an issue that is one of my own and im sure countless others. The issue would happen to be run down rental properties and the landlords that do not care about the neighborhood in which they are ruining. Let me point out that there are plenty of good landlords out there and im not speaking of you. But what happened to the idea of a yearly inspection of rental property to keep the "slum-lords" in line and protect the lives of the individuals living in them, furthermore holding the landlords accountable for allowing individuals to live in unsafe unsanitary conditions and ruining the value of homes that people own in those communities. The laws seem to protect the very people who wish to break them.
AM I WRONG TO FEEL THIS WAY?
the keyboard you are typing on ... the opinion space you are writing in ... the internet you are so used to ... probably the cup you drink coffee from each day ... all made possible by capitalists. ... what can we do? ... we need capitalism to fuel our disposable lifestyles ... it's the way of the world ... i don't agree with it ... but it's the way it is ... we reap the benefits of the corporate world but hate it atthe same time .. remember the old listerine commericals? ... i hate, but i use it. ... that's us.
Not to argue the point you're making, but I have to offer a clarification, only because it's a bit of history not many seem to be familiar with.
The Internet was developed by scientists and technologists primarily using U.S. defense department funding. It was gradually opened to commercial development in the early 1990s, but the technology was created with public funds and enhanced by university researchers long before it became the world of commerce we know today.
See the book, "Where Wizards Stay Up Late: The Origins Of The Internet."
Captialism is NOT the enemy. We have to consume in order to give others employment. What is the enemy is the buying and selling of our govt and our laws.
eric - thanks for the clarification re: the origin of the internet ... you are right on ... however - my point was just that - without capitalism we wouldn't have the net as we know it today ... or maybe i should say access to the technology that we have today ... we all hail the deeds of gates and jobs, etc., but they (and their corporations) made a lot of money doing what they did ... i agree with wtf - the problem lies in the selling of our government to the highets bidder ... it's ridiculous ... and maybe too big to fight ... who knows ...
Bumbling Obama Campaign Tour Hits Virginia As Democrats Run for Cover
"Obama's perfectly situated for his campaign. His supporters are turning on him, Wall Street can't stand him and the general public can't wait to get rid of him. Other than that he's doing great."
If capitalism was allowed to run its course many of these banks would have went under and some of the corporations would have went under and wall street would have taken a hit too. But no we had crony capitalism in the form of government bailouts so why aren't these OWS protesters at Washington instead of wall street? True capitalism would have taken care of many of the problems they are protesting. Does that really matter though? No because this is the hard left bunch, these are not 99 percenters. These people are prone to violence and would be willing to take other people's money because the liberal media and the liberals in Washington told them so. This will come back to bite the Democrats for embracing this as a legitimate deal. It will bite them as soon as it gets out of hand.
Obama and Occupy Wall Street Are One
Their anger and outrage is directed to everyone but the ones that caused this mess, their fellow leftist.
Careful, FOX sues those who plagerize.
What's the difference between liberalism and communism?
The communist admits it.
I'll admit to a misspelled word. What will you admit to? Do you have the capacity to think for yourself? I'll wait while you go and and ask someone.
Nostalgia & Decline
No,once again you are wrong. Swing and a miss.
Heh! Heh! Heh!
'Sybil' is one big psych-out
Author exposes split-personality 'lie'
This is an agenda driven hoax becoming scientific fact. Sound familiar? Has anyone heard of global warming? "Anything dominated by liberals you have perverse corruption, lies, outright fraud and hoaxes all for the express purpose of controlling people, all because they want to control everybody." Who do you think is in charge of OWS? HMMMMMMMMMM!
No one is in charge of OWS.
You really believe that!!! Come on now we aren't that naive now are we?
...why are you so scared of OWS?
Afraid now that's funny, It's more like they're STUPID just like our VP.
All Huffy, Joe Biden Stands By Rape Reference to GOP
DON'T STEAL: The government hates competition.
Considering the things you have admitted to believing, I'm not sure you have any room to call anyone else stupid.
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." -- Benjamin Franklin
I thought the OWS was the majority aren't they the 99%'ers.
Sounds like a fun jaunt News. Sounds like a day in the life of Crocodile Dundee mate. ;)
If they would have dispersed like they were asked to do he wouldn't have got clocked in the head.
My my my, how very christian of you. What would jesus do, rr3yvo? What would jesus do?
Well what would he do since you think you know? Jesus had nothing to do with him getting hit in the head.
Wtf if I didn't post on here you would have nothing to offer. Glad I can help.
Hey wtf what would Jesus do with OWS? I would really like to hear your brilliance on this issue.
News these protesters are violating public land by trashing it and occupying public areas keeping other people from using it. What about the rights of the citizens that live near where these protesters are violating? You are not getting the whole story news just what Raw Story wants you to have and you believe it.
Smart Dog it seems you are doing the very thing that you are accusing someone else of. When it comes to name calling you're only rebuttal is more name calling. Interesting!
How about just saying that Rush is a documented liar, a documented drug addict, a documented draft dodger, a documented failure in his several personal relationships, and proven by time to have been wrong in many of his predictions. Just the facts. Is that better rr3?
Just saying. ;)
How is that someone who calls himself a christian will constantly makes excuses for the most intolerant people in the world?
congratulations too the 99%! It's Something i have been wishing for for 20 Years! It bring back the feeling i had back in the 60's! I've had my butt dragged over some curb's or anything that would cause some injuries back then,they would try and grab you just right so the gun Hammer would cut you pretty good if you didn't watch it!They had other tatic,s too! But in the end ,it accomplished something worth while,that was the only thing then and now,that ever got anything done. I wish i could be on the line again! So i hope everyone supports them by Writing you Representatives of approval! Their doing it for All of America,the least us Old Folks can support them!
In my opinion Rush Limbaugh would sell his Children, (if he had any), if the Price was right Sorry ,Sorry, Man! Not because of anything other than the Man he is! A big ZERO!
Wtf maybe I can add some substance to your comment. I don't make excuses for nobody. I don't understand how someone can call a person all kinds of names while accusing said person of calling people names. I doesn't matter who it is, when they do that they are a hypocrite.
They need to quite furnishing diapers for the OWS protesters, give them some big boy pants tell them to go to work. They could at least work to clean up the mess they are making.
It would really be interesting if this was a bunch of Christians protesting abortion. What would the story be then? Would you support them?
You know, i have had to take a break form all this Political Nonsense for awhile. I have a question about some of these reports you hear, on obvious lies that the Candidates,Strategists, bring up on some of their Interviews.We all know the Journalist cover these things and actually know its B.S. but they still put them on the air.Eric maybe able to answer this, why do they waste time on Interviews they know are bogus? And has he ever had any suggestion on what he can or can not run in the News? Rachel Maddow seems to have enough facts too call them on anything they may say thats bogus. I think that's the reason most won't go for an interview on her show. I haven't seen her call any of them liars,but she comes close.They should be cut off from saying anything, if they do that! We have too have term limits on all these People.No more career Politician! Hey too Nana,Slater, Okla,News Across,White Tornado,were ever you are! Hope all's well with ya! GO TO THE 99%. HANG IN THERE AND GOOD LUCK!
"They need to quite furnishing diapers for the OWS protesters, give them some big boy pants tell them to go to work."-rr3
"Injured vet spent days at work, nights at protest"
You think he doesn't wear big boy pants rr3? Shame on you. Read his story then decide if you could fill one leg of his trousers. From what I have seen of you I have my doubts.
Hey back at you Jo. Evenin ND. :)
The corpulent corporates sat down to dine,
on the finest of food, the finest of wine.
Discussed how to fool ignorant masses,
and decided to feed the ignorant arses.
Gave them baloney, and a whole lot of pap,
served by Rush from the plutocrats' lap.
He uses bulb and syringe instead of a spoon,
their faces see no daylight, even at noon.
Thanks ND. :)
You need to be looking to where the heart of the problem is--WASHINGTON DC. That's where all this started and of course some took unfair advantage of it but look to the liberal Democrats mostly Dodd and Frank, Fannie and Freddie and its going to be like dominoes they will all fall. That's where the protesters ought to be.
What do Vanilla Ice, Eminem, and Barack Obama have in common?
They've all made careers pretending to be black men.
They are so jealous of the Tea Party they need for OWS to take off but it seems to be a fizzle. They seem to be getting in trouble and the lame stream media are portraying the cops and government officials as being the bad guys. These people are the ones violating other people's rights but no reporting about that. And the amazing thing is that people that seem pretty smart are believing it.
In this video there is a report that police in Tennesse were told they couldnt impose a curfew at this plaza by a judge they defied this order and only arrested protesters that defied this curfew and no the others that were in violation of this illegal law. The judge ordered all of these protesters to be released.
My question is to anyone who is qualified to explain this is this, how exactly are the police allowed to enforce a law that is illegal without themselves or those in charge being charge with a crime or disciplined in some way?
"Whenever possible go outside the experience of the enemy." -S. Alinsky
When even Conservatives such as Thomas Friedman are saying it you know we are in trouble. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/30/opinion/sunday/friedman-did-you-hear-the-one-a...
I think they got it wrong instead of the 99%ers they are the 0.99%ers.
Two of the greatest qualities in life.
You seem to get a lot of joy from making fun of the 99%. What would Jesus do? I would really like you to answer that question for a change.
Well it is becoming quite a joke wtf. If you want to know what Jesus would do maybe you need to read your bible. I personally don't think he would support trashing personal and public property and antagonizing the cops. Maybe you support those kind of things.
O. K. rr3 lets hear your interpretation of Jesus, and the money changers. Seems somebody ( we really don't know who, do we?) said he did a bit of trashing himself. ;)
I need to read the bible? Thank you for commenting as each time you reveal more and more about yourself.
Wtf are following the OWS footsteps?
Wtf don't you grow weary of character assasination?
I blindly follow no man,being,book or movement.I follow my heart.
Just how did I assinate your character? I guess I must have used your words against you.
What question is that Nana? With all of wtf's and your diatribe I forgot what it was. Must be really important to gain so much attention from you guys. I do try to answer legitimate intelligent questions but many times you all don't like the answer. I just have to laugh at the way you carry on over NOTHING.
So Jesus would support the wealthy? I guess the rich have finally found a way to pass a camel through the eye of a needle. I'll bet they hired a scientist to figure it out.
Thank you news. Even though we disagree most of the time and sometimes go at it I feel we have a mutual respect for each other. Of course I can't speak for you, it is only my opinion. You always offer something of substance in the form of an opinion, idea, theory or fact. You seem to have gotten away from attacking someone on character, sources of information or simply because you disagree. I know old habits are hard to break. I want to thank you for that. Even when you post something I deem offensive I still respect your position even though I don't agree. You are a rare breed among liberals because as we see in politics they are usually mean and nasty and facts doesn't seem to matter if you disagree with them. The media is the worst. Some posters on here seem to always want to be at odds instead of offering any sort of intelligent dialogue. I know when I first started posting on here we would have never had this sort of dialogue. Respect I think develops over time when you decide to accept the differences along with the agreements. Again news I want to thank you and as I think you would say "good on ya mate".
I just threw up a little in my mouth....
Hey rr3, with all due respect to you, in regard to OWS, what do you think Jesus would do?
Or, (just to address it from the other side) why would Jesus not with them abide?
You must have an opinion, with which you may retort. I will await with interest, your overdue report.
I am really surprised okr that you would jump on this nonsensical band wagon. I quess birds of a feather stick together.
All you have to do is read
The post on 10/31 11:44am to get what you need.
Maybe if you read what I post
You will get what you need the most.
So let's assume for a moment there was a Jesus. Are you saying that you speak for him?
I will say one thing, when it comes to the "nonsensical" as you put it, you are certainly in your element.
Nope wtf I could never and would not claim to speak for Jesus. I can only speculate what he might say just like you. I can only speculate how you respond to my post too. Although I am usually right on the latter.
I'll speculate that if Jesus were here he wouldn't like you, Rush Limbaugh or FOX news.
That's my Jesus speculation for the day.
Good for you wtf I'm so proud.
I checked your post rr3 it says: "Well it is becoming quite a joke wtf. If you want to know what Jesus would do maybe you need to read your bible. I personally don't think he would support trashing personal and public property and antagonizing the cops. Maybe you support those kind of things.
-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Mon, Oct 31, 2011, at 11:44 AM "
So, In regard to OWS what would Jesus do in your opinion? From your post I gathered the limited knowledge that you think he WOULD NOT support trashing personal, and public property. Leaving Jesus, and the money changers aside for the moment, what do YOU think Jesus WOULD have done in regard to OWS?
He could tell them to go and sin no more like the woman at the well. I mean one of the commandments is to not covet. What is the purpose of OWS? If we have our eyes on God it doesn't matter what others have.
Thanks for answering rr3.
Regarding your partial answer "If we have our eyes on God it doesn't matter what others have." has been nefariously used by haves, against have nots for ages. Slave holders regarding slaves, men against women regarding personal, property, and voting rights, and the rich against the poor.
It has otherwise been stated in secular context as "know your place, and stay in it". Quite convenient for the haves, but that belabored bromide does not pass the smell test in a society wherein fairness is of the slightest concern. Just my opinion of course.
Personally i could care less what they did 2000 years ago! This is sounding like what the Republicans are wasting time in Congress with this (IN GOD WE TRUST) and NO one is working! I think these fool Politicians has got everyone silly! If there is any change in this Country,you'll have only these People sitting in the cold and Snow too thank,not some imaginary God! Everyone has to get real. I respect your having faith but it has no place in Policy for this Country! Matter of fact i believe the People of Faith is who has started a lot of this,with the People they Vote into Office!(Example)Bush and all the others that has sucked you in with Faith! Just a thought.
News not to worry something that might be offensive to me may not bother anyone else. Seems like they said this in some movie "don't worry about it".
I remember back as a child okr I always thought things were unfair. There was always other kids that had more. My parents were poor but we always had food on the table and a roof over our heads and I never heard them complain about anything being unfair. I was unemployed once but I realized it was up to me to find work to get the things I wanted. When I didn't like the job I had it was up to me to find another job that I might like better. When we didn't have enough money to pay all the bills I went out and got a second job to make ends meet. When we had trouble buying groceries I went out to the woods and shot something and drug it home so we could eat. We planted a garden and canned the produce so we wouldn't have to buy it in the store. I'm doing better now but I don't drive new cars and my only debt is my house. My car I drive to work has over 275,000 miles on it and is much cheaper to operate then a new one. I say let the haves have it I have what I need and I can live with that and if I have to I can live on less or get a second job again. Sometimes the only difference between the haves and the have-nots is the size of the payment. I've had payments but I don't want them, and if people would learn to live within our means they would be better off. We live in a society that teaches us when we want something get it now, keep your credit score high and you can borrow your way to prosperity just like our government. But then when something happens it all comes tumbling down and then we think its unfair. In my opinion that is for children.
Nana keep waiting that was the exact response I had you pegged for. I am right again. Thank you.
Besides Nana and Wtf who else thinks I didn't answer?
When they don't like the answer they accuse you of not answering the question. Get real or maybe you need a hobby.
Your experience rr3, or mine for that matter, are not relevant to now. My life experience has been similar to yours. As a child I knew what it was to hear my belly growl all day, I overcame...yadda yadda yadda.
Every statistic supports the reality that it is increasingly harder to get ahead. So truthfully neither you, nor I have the first hand experience as to how tough it is to start up now. More, and more are materially making less, and less progress. We are on our way to a return to a society reminiscent of the days of the Robber Barons.
When our perspective arises from "back in the day", and we ignore the present, as well as projections about the future, we have become victims of geezerdom and our voices become meaningless ghosts from the past.
Things have gone well for you, and for me. I think we both want at least the same starting base for our grand children that we had. Unfortunately that is not the case. Do you not see that? There is a reason that people are disgruntled, restive, and more of them, are more so all the time. It is just the beginning of the stirring of the people. Get aboard, or get left behind. Muttering about the past is best left to those in rest homes waiting to die, and or meet their Maker.
I don't know that I deserve better news. I feel I have done pretty well but that depends on what you compare it to. Since 1998 by changing jobs and promotions my wages are up about 377%. During that same time union bosses have gotten richer with fewer members. It's easy to put the blame on the 1% that are already paying their fair share then to look at the very people that claim to be for us. Yeh they have gotten rich off us by keeping almost 50% of eligible taxpayers dependent on the government for everything. Yet we keep voting the rich into public office so they get richer lets protest them. As Trump would say "you're fired".
I agree okr and I know people are frustrated, I mean I am frustrated as more and more of my hard earned dollar goes to gas and food. I guess my point would be that it's ok to protest but do you do that instead of working? Can't you protest after work? I want to instill in my children and grand children that it is ok to speak up but don't rely on the government to make you successful. No matter how bad it is go out there and do something, don't sit around and think of someone to blame because you have nothing. As Larry the Cable Guy would say "Git er done".
That's good to know Nana. There are also many there that are being paid and don't know why they are there. They really want this the gain traction like the Tea Party but I don't think it is happening. Did their parents also teach them that violence was ok during protest and it is ok to trash public property for someone else to clean up and to also be arrested and to trample others civil rights in the process. Oh thats right you don't want to listen to that spin. I am right again.
You mean the police violence,right?
he told the woman caught is adultery to "go and sin no more" ... he told the woman at the well many other things - so many that she said to him that she "perceived he was a prophet" (John 4) - but not to "go and sin no more" ... just for clarification ...
Congress is doing a wonderful Job! They reaffirmed our motto (in god we trust) and voted to have 2 weeks on & 1 week off for themselves! Sweet deal for everyone but the People! This is absurd ! The People should do something,besides waiting to Vote them out! Like drag them out of the Chamber by their foot, Sorry i forgot, that's Politically Incorrect!But Civil disobediance & fear, seem's to be the only thing they will understand! This Political System is actually silly!!
Obama's Reagan Parallels are Falling Away
If liberal policies are so successful why do they always emulate a conservative at election time? Get it!
News, you have more confidence in the People than i do! When you have gotten Burned like we have in the last 4 Elections, like we have,it's hard to think that most of the people have got it, yet! There a long pause between Elections were more Damage can be done! This Country is already in a collapse mode!I haven't liked some of things Obama has done,but with some of the others we could have been a lot worse off! I'm for another Party, and too **** old too see one come about.I see absolutely Nothing coming from the Republican Party! So i wonder how does it exist as a Political Party ? I'm missing something that the Republicans of this Country are feeling.Unless they are immune too Pain and abuse from maybe a dominate Family that insisted on regimentation for everyone? this is what i get from there Ideology. Sounds like you live in a system that works with not a lot of conflict in Government? Good for you and your Family, I have some jealousy my friend!!!
Rush Limbaugh; ten most racist quotes. http://newsone.com/obama/casey-gane-mccalla/top-10-racist-limbaugh-quotes/
This is one for The Gingham Dog, and The Calico Cat to sink their teeth into. ;)
...and a fine good evenin to you ND. :)
Thanks for the link ND. I had previously read the article by Lew Rockwell that is referenced by commentary at your link. The diverse voices raised in this latest cause of the people, by the people, and for the people is making some strange bed fellows. It doesn't bother me. I learned long ago that even a skunk doesn't smell too bad, if you stay down wind, and are going in the same direction. ;)
I guess you guys ought to be proud of Occupy Oakland. Tried to take over a city building, starting fires in the streets and trashing a Whole Foods store. Such nice peaceful protesting you fully support that, RIGHT!!!
Yep, I fully support them. If you had the skills for critical thinking then you would know that those who are destructive have nothing to do with the actual protest. They are just trouble makers.
We'll probably find out they were planted there by the wealthy to cause trouble giving the cops probable cause to forcefully break up the protests.
I look forward to the future protest of the country clubs and gated communitites. The uber wealthy will need to spend thier money on higher walls. Your criticism falls on deaf ears.
Thanks wtf I am right again.
Obama is behind it, our community antagonizer-in-chief. He wants the riots and the violence because what else does he have. This is his base, the losers, the bottom 50% that pay no taxes. They are losers because they listen and look to the government for success. The only way to success is smaller government then we would all be winners. They are not the 99% they are a minute minority that the liberals are using just like they use everybody dependent on government. They use the black community, they use single moms, they dumb down our kids, they promote climate change, etc. etc. They buy their base for the votes for the power. And you think they care about anybody but numero uno then you are naive. To make things better we just need more money and more votes. Folks the government don't need more money period. We need to riot in Washington where the non-producers are not the people working. We need to quite inconveniencing working people and go to the source. OWS is doing exactly what Obama wants and blame it all on the rich. Some people will believe it but the majority won't and if they run a conservative candidate then conservatism will win in 2012.
Wow. You really have no idea what this is all about do you? Are you being willfully ignorant or are you just repeating the blahter you hear from your questionable news sources? As with all human injustices you have to follow the money.
It does no good to protest in Washington. We have to protest against those who bought and paid for Washington. You have to follow the money.
You have become a cartoon of yourself but it is no longer funny...it is sad.
Each is your posts is more pathetic and desperate than the last. A true Christian should possess the capacity for empathy. What would Jesus do,rr3yvo? What would Jesus do?
I guess since it is football season then--go long, pass...touchdown.
The government takes in 2.2 trillion per year and spends 3.7 trillion per year. If the government took 100% of the money over $250,000 that the top 1% earn, how much would it be? That would only work for one year because next year I can guarantee nobody would make more then $250,000.
the proper size of government
Can it be too big? Some don't think so.
2012 DNC Discriminates Against Charlotte Businesses, Demands Unionization
I am just curious if all of you that scream about fairness think this is fair? I eagerly await an answer, this should be interesting.
That's funny news that of the OWS you would approve of violence, rape, public nudity, trashing public property with no intent to clean it up and antagonizing police to get arrested. I see a double standard here. What if the Tea Party had done any one of those things? That's ok you don't have to answer because I already know what it will be. There may be some good things happening and good people involved in OWS but they are being made to look like a bunch of thugs because of these events. Keep them quotes coming I like being famous.
all of this OWS stuff and its resulting mayhem remind me of what "history" tells us happened between 1905 and maybe 1919 in Russia ... we all know how that turned out - stalin taking the lead in about 1924 ... i wonder what the outcome will be here in the good ole USA ... all i know is that washington is broke and somebody needs to find a way to fix it ...
BRAVO NANA! BRAVO! Well said indeed.
BTW, I have worked all of my life starting as a child hoeing beans and detassling corn. I have worked all my life and I am happy to do so. I am, however, sick and tired of being told by the wealthy that I have to sit down and shut up because I haven't "worked hard enough".
It's not about having wealth, it's about how you got it.
Let's see how rr3yvo justifies this.
Zeke regarding Russia in the early 1900s do not forget that Russia was corrupt with a despotic government, which enabled the communist takeover.
Have you considered the other lesson in your example? Our current situation is similar. Hence it is urgent that people do not sit on their hands, and grumble about the Tea Party,and/or OWS. The people must make every effort to end the rampant bribery of government officials, the back, and forth employment of government officials by those they regulate, and rein in the greed, and gambling that is endemic in our financial apparatus.
That is our pragmatic choice. Failure to make that choice may result in rue regarding the changes that are going to occur. Change is coming make no mistake about it.
In Oakland the cops are using strobe lights that are supposes to make camera's ineffective. Now why in the world would the cops want camera's to be ineffective? Wanna take that one rr3yvo?
Went down to OWS-OKC last evening, we took them four large pizzas. Had some interesting conversations...more later.
The media wants you to think it is the police causing the trouble. You mean its not there job to have rocks thrown at them, watch people set fires and break out windows. You all are as pathetic as the OWS.
The media tried to make the Tea Party look bad but they cleaned up their own trash and were peaceful. So yes news you are supporting violence, but yet you want to appear to be peace loving. Yeh right!!!
Dutch Scientist Diederik Stapel Faked Data
I wonder how that factual, testable, measurable, verifiable, repeatable evidence is working out?
U. S. General in Afghanistan fired for speaking the truth instead of sticking with the propaganda that is dished out to the public. It is bad there, and getting worse. Karzai says that if U. S. and Pakistan go to war, Afghanistan will join Pakistan. Winning the hearts, and minds of the Afghanis. NOT!
Just as I expected!!!
Sorry...here is the link to the Afghanistan story.
Did I strike a chord here?
Huff Post oh then it must be true then.
rr3 must you always be so scornful, and abrasive? The story is all over the internet, so pick where yo want to read it. Typically, you had no comment on the story itself, instead using it as an opportunity to disparage the Huffington Post.
That is so off point, and lightweight. You are better than that.
It's amazing how much trouble the 1% can cause.
The top 1% with the money, 1% of cops who beat protesters and 1% of the protesters who cause problems.
Did anyone see where Herman Cain said he was the Koch Brothers "Brother from another mother"?
Does this guy not see that this is exactly the reason people are protesting?
And we're supposed to vote of this guy?
Nana I am so gonna do that. I get at least three of those a week.
wow - you must be so proud of your "team" for pulling off the "Wam - Wam Bam - Drive the Nail Home" tri-fecta ...
anyway - though lenin was probably a genius and stalin was most definitely a monster - it is my humble opinion that ANY TIME a people start thinking they need a king - they end up suffering ... in the Old Tetsmant (I know - you don't believe the bible - but hey - it's just an illustration - OK?) ... in the OT the people demanded a King and God gave them Saul - a giant of a man who stood head and shoulders above everyone else - and he turned out to be a complete failure and practically brought the people down with him when he fell. ... more recently - our nation demanded a king and now we have a man in the white house who can't get anything done in congress and refuses to make peace with them - so he announces he will "start governing(?) by executive order" ... now that's democracy (tongue firmly in cheek) ... gotta love it.
and btw - you may think you have shut the other conservative up --- but maybe he or she decided to stop casting pearls before swine, so to speak, and spend his or her valuable time elsewhere.
note: i am not calling anyone swine - just using another bible reference ...
sorry - Old Testament ...
my real complaint centers around folks who are "all the way" conservative or "all the way" liberal - with no variations or in-betweens ... if anything - i guess i am a little of both ... and that is beyond some folk's ability to comprehend ... for them - every thing has to be all black or all white - in every circumstance ... and i don't believe that's how life presents itself ... soooooooo ... i can't and won't make "i'm right and anyone who disagrees with me is wrong" types of statements ... just won't join in that fray ...
i wish you peace ...
as you know - news - the terms liberal and conservative probably and most likley DO NOT mean the same today as they did in 1800 ...
i think today's society would see a liberal as a person who states he or she favors a political philosophy of progress and reform and the protection of civil liberties ... or someone who is open-minded or tolerant, especially free of traditional ideas, values, etc. ... i also think that what we see in practice is that many who would see themselves as liberals are often the most intolerant of ideas and opinions that don't line up with their own ...
and i think today's society would see a conservative as someone who appears to adhere to principles of personal responsibility, moral values, and limited government ... many self-proclaimed conservatives hold former president Ronald Reagan up as their standard bearer and tend to believe that a conservative is someone who rises above his or her personal self-interest and promotes moral and economic values beneficial to all (the last part of which sounds like what us former-liberals wanted in the 60s and 70s - and a lot like what Christ stood for) ... a conservative in today's sense would seem to place a great deal of importance and value on the scriptures of the Judeo-Christian Bible ... conservatives will say they seek or support limited government, balanced budgets, capitalism and free markets ... although - like liberals and others - this is not always the case.
again - i do not believe comparing the meaning of "liberals" or "conservatives" in 1800 to today is a productive process due to the fact that there seems to have been significant changes over the years.
i know that's probably not scientific enough for some - but that's how i see it - and - after all - this place is all about opinions ...
Well said News. Those are the parameters I utilize when considering, or discussing liberal, or conservative orthodoxy.
With the way the systems is set up, with Bush & Obama Appointments, our Government can do what they want! I personally think we have let them go too far already.Until the entire Population of this great Nation gets involved, like the 99%,there is not a hole lot going to change. They may give the illusion of it, but, some were in their Black conniving Heart they will get all of us! Make us their Slave! And yes the Police can turn a peaceful Protest into a Riot real quick,and thats whats hard for the Protester to deal with.Its a fine line for them to walk! But to them i say good Job my friends!!
I thought i had seen and heard and read about every Disgusting thing this Country, and the People running it,but when i heard about our Brave Men & Women killed in the Far East being Dishonored and their Bodies handled like so much Garbage, even in Death,makes me even more disgusted with Washington and the way the system works. Some of them thrown in the Dump In south Carolina,after Cremation! One Identified Pilots Arm sawed off so they could get their Uniform on his dead Body! This is just now being Investigated By the Agency that should have been on this years ago,so more to be reading in disgust!And they want People to be Civilized, Dignified and Respectful when dealing with them,b*** S***! People we as a Nation Had better do something fast! We will end this Country with our own Civil War!
Has That old polical strategist kenned that it is going to take populist positions to win the Republican nomination, and the presidency? I look for (hopefully) a lot of monkey see, monkey do from the other candidates.
Hard to believe what he said. http://www.addictinginfo.org/2011/11/09/newt-gingrich-calls-for-reinstating-glas...
I am eating pizza, and trying to write at the same time. Sorry for the misspelling. Also I left out his name. Newt Gingrich.
Hope it isn't Godfather's pizza!
What did you misspell?
"kenned"? I thought you were using the Scottish term "to know"
I misspelled political Upsedaisy. I used kenned as you assumed. I thought it appropriate because it carries a nuance, knowlege beyond what may be expected to be known. I believe that hits Newt Gingrich squarely in this instance. Who would expect him to believe, or at the least, that it was a mistake, to repeal Glass-Steagle.
Good to hear from you.
There, I did it again (Steagall).
No, it wasn't Godfather's Pizza. I would perhaps eat it, if Herman Cain first ate his words, all of them. ;)
Perhaps I would eat it. :)
Any politician seeking to be elected to national office in 2012 who does not co-opt at least some features of the new progressive movement is a fool. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/13/opinion/sunday/the-new-progressive-movement.ht...
The Soviet bear hibernates confined to the Russian Cave, awakening occasionally to crunch bare bones left from aged kills.
John Bull still walks with grand steps, turning often at close boundaries of diminished estate, looking across to neighbor Uncle Sam, reflecting with despair twinged regret, at that companion's decline.
Ah, poor Sam, a white beard grown to disguise callow youth, too soon conformed to general appearance.
They all vaguely perceive rumblings to the east, confused as a giant yellow hand pats the heads of the people of the world, but then they have all been to Afghanistan.
The sun sets in the west bringing darkness, as it rises in the east with a brilliance that blinds some to the appearance of the new day.
I'm sorry, I forgot to put on the title.
BEAR, Bull, and ME
I am also sorry if poetry bores many of you. No bull, bear with me. ;)
Buddy Roemer is the best of Republican candidates. Jim Hightower has a high opinion of him, and (for me) that is one strong endorsement.
Chris Hedges. To me his writing is evocative of the revolutionary spiriit exhibited by our colonial pamphleteers
It is beginning to appear that the modern day loyalists who have posted here have seen the tide turn, and have all fled to some virtual Canada for conservatives, where their remarks are heard by, and responded to only by an array of those with amplified amygdalas.
They are apparently either clustering with their own herd, or burrowing away from the light of day because they can not bear what the sun reveals to them these days.
Sad it tis that small comfort is all that remains for them.
Expanding further I believe that it is the example set by their presidential hopefuls that has caused conservative comment to cease on this political blog, rather than that they have been overpowered by the splendid minds of those fortunate enough to possess an enlarged anterior cingulate cortex.
It seems that each week a new head pops up a bit higher than the others, from the sewage lagoon that all the Republican candidates are swimming in, and just as their constituency on the bank throws that candidate a line, and pulls it partially to dry land, they are as usual, overwhelmed by the stink, release the rope, and let another hopeful slide back in.
Michelle Bachmann has amazed the world with her astounding ignorance that is recognized by every conservative whose knuckles don't drag the ground when walking.
Rick Perry who, even worse, at times can't speak at all, and then when he does, reminds them so much of George W. Bush that it sends a shudder down their spines, has been rejected.
They hoped that they were on to something with their own black candidate, Herman Cain, to oppose Obama, but have even if they can't admit it, the sense that he is a womanizer, and a bully. They may have been able to live with that, but his over the top imitation of Rick Perry's brain freeze was just too much. They let him flop back into the water.
And so it goes, on, and on, one by one. With each the stink has a distinctive top note, but the underlying stench is the same.
Meanwhile Mittt Romney holds his head high above the water, immaculate hair unscathed, carefully treading, treading, treading. It could be that the nomination is his if he will just adopt the old Stealers Wheel song as his campaign anthem. "Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right, here I am, stuck in the middle with you."
That is until you consider this. It was those with conservative minds that violently drove the Mormons from state after state for their heresy. I am not willing to believe that in essence, the inflexible conservative mind has changed, only circumstances have changed. They will not nominate a Mormon for the office of President of The United States.
The result is that conservatives don't know what to say, because they don't know what to think. They can only rail against Obama for so long until surrounding voices, and in some cases their own inner voices say "well, then who?" They are at that point, and they like some of their candidates, have become speechless.
Jack Abramoff could help The Government take down these Lobbyist, and other thieves, why don't they? Were the hell is Holder? Is he even there anymore?They won't do anything when they get the chance,this entire Government has to go!Are we the People, stupid? It would surprise me if there working on this! Abramoff has a book out ,but i don't want too put any Money back in his pocket! Thanks for the Link Nana.
Here is another of our neo-pamphleteers who like Chris Hedges, writes as if Tom Paine is looking over his shoulder. William Rivers Pitt on OWS. Enjoy, think, then act! http://www.truth-out.org/what-america-looks/1321471600
Thanks for the Link Okla.That guy,PITT can put it out there. Great story!
"Let it be told to the future world, that in the depth of winter, when nothing but hope and virtue could survive, that the city and the country, alarmed at one common danger, came forth to meet and repulse it."-Thomas Paine December 23rd, 1776.
The writings of this man for the ages are as pertinent today as they were over two hundred years ago.
I invite you all to explore "The Crisis" a series of "posts" by our friend Tom Paine. http://www.ushistory.org/PAINE/crisis/index.htm
As we begin Thanksgiving week here are some things to be thankful for; that is if you are progressive populists.
Centerists may also wish to read it, but if so, treat it as a Thanksgiving buffet, devour the things that delight you, sample some others, and just move on past the things that turn your stomach. There is enough to like to be satisfied.
As for you folks on the far right, don't bother to even walk to the table. It will just give you indigestion, high blood pressure, and may even cause you to vomit. ;)
Mark Bittman-"No Turkeys Here" http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/201...
-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Nov 20, 2011, at 3:39 PM
Thanks for the link ND. I signed their petition. Unfortunately in many congressional quarters petitions such as that get the same sort of attention that they would give to the hanky of a bum with a bad cold as he handed it to them.
If anyone has been watching 60 minutes the past few weeks, they are quitely running stories that show the very reason people are protesting. So far it's been inside information that congressmen use to invest for thier own personal gain and the power of lobbyist Grover Norquist. It's all sad, pathetic and infuriating. Good job 60 minutes and keep it up!
Turning the tables on the Neu Reich, and its Gestapo, as explained by William Rivers Pitt.
all of you who are standing up for the whole idiotic occupy wall street and occupy cities movement have obviously NOT done your research as to who is initiating this and backing it and who is prodding the young mindless fools with their expensive tents, Ipads,Iphones and etc to stay in a location in a city protesting something of which they have NO real grasp of, made obvious by the inability of them to do nothing more than shout one liners and memorized propaganda, ALL WHILE creating in evironment in the tent cities where drugs and RAPE and Crimes are being commited, and where HONEST hardworking MIDDLE CLASS small business owners are being DESTROYED while the idiot protestors disrupt their businesses and vandalize their property all while proving they are idiots every time they open their mouths....... Bill Ayers, George Soros, the Communist, Nazi Socialist and other ANTI American groups are totally funding and pushing this movement.... no wonder Obama is trying to show that he empathizes with this OWS movement..... At least the Tea Partiers went home at night, cleaned up their trash and were respectful....
So Mr.X-Ray, Communists, Nazi Socialists, and Anti-Americans are totally funding the OWS movement? Really? ROTFLMAO!
I saw on the original Speakout that you are looking for someone to dig you some post holes. You are so adept at digging holes for yourself, that it has me scratching my head as to why you would ever need such a service. ;)
P. S. Welcome back.
The problem with history is that instead of choosing to learn from it we simply choose to revise it if not ignore it all together.
Which side are you on, Democracy, or Capitalism? Is Western Civilization being forced to make that choice? http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-growing-tension-between-capitalism-an...
Way to go red dog your home work.The fact is the collage has a track,it's in the building across the street,in the one they built a few years ago.They haven't used that old track in awhile.
I lived here a big part of my life,and it is true that the highschool did pay to use not the track but only the football feild.ONLY.they used that old runned down gravel track that in fact has never had a whole lot done since i went to school there.It still has the same old blechers there when i was in the 7th grade. but still to this day not a dam thing has been to that track.the concrete is all broken up was then and still is the middle school track in question.
But were any cuts made to fix that on going problem and the safety of anybody and,or any students,think not.instead they used that track until and well after they bulit the new highschool and some years ,until they got a track.but yet nothing still has been done to the old one.why. cause they don't care about those young kids that use it nor their safety.
Now back to the point.they closed the A.E. school,true.for what real reason,money.
The money they say they had to save,for what.lets see how,a couple of new vehicles that they said they were buying.how about a new shed that maybe that the wick builders provided,why cause his wife is involed in the tennis program.maybe.
but someone still got to pay for the labor.that's how that works
The soccer feild, maybe those compaies are taking care of their part,but once again the labor.who pays for that.in case you dont this but concrete is not cheap,i know.it's about $100.00 a yard ,so you ask your self, how many yards are they pouring.[$135.000 worth] who paying for the labor.they don't donate that stuff.
The track oh yeah the track.did any one donate a 3 135.00 fOR the asphalt ,the paint for stripes ,maybe and maybe not.so you got ask yourself that. i don't think so.
Maybe the track was in need of some repairs a little cosmetic work.a fairly new one at that.they close down something that fundamentaly good,for sports fans as you say.
Their savings is $135.000 that they said they forked out yearly for that building,wow thats alot .for a couple of rooms.and you think that macfarland was charging the school district that much money for that.good for him.there is no way that could be.thats stupid.on their part.
brake that down.i think there was four teachers,a secetary,and the principle.is that where the $135.00 was going or for the rent and ultilies.uh.
so what were they trying to save ,the staffs salaries or the rent .their still paying their salaries but in a different school.so what were they saving.
They couldn't afford the A.E. school but yet they can do all this extra stuff after they voted to do so, why you ask.heck i don't know why maybe i will ask the school board ,so they can give the public some bull story about their actions on what is right or wrong or maybe the good for school,and not anything else.
Apparently you did read all the past post about this matter and maybe you did ,maybe not i guess.their is alot of people here that feel the same way as i do on this matter and yeah maybe it is at the highschool but that is not the point.
The point is what they did to those kids that might have a hard time learning or getting along the staff at the highschool.they could have made cuts else where,like the hall cop.last i remember it is a HIGHSCHOOL not a level 4 prison.that school is no more harmful today than it was when it was built.so what is with cop.just more money or sercurity.that could have been a cut.
Enough said i could go on the fact of the matter is they will do what they want and tell you what they want you to hear,just like the higher end of the berucratic ladder we all have to trust their judgements cause they know best and the good of mankind ,but yet they are always cutting funds for education.always
So how much money out of that $135.000 IS GOING TOWARD FIXING UP THE PLACE.ALL OF IT AND SOME.
Goldman Sachs to make presidential run.
Can you validate my parking, mate?
Thanks ND...I guess. What is going to happen to my grandchildren? I am old, and perhaps getting forgetful. What is it again that IMF stands for? Oh, now I remember, Insidious Meddling Fools.
I would like to see Marshall Law declared on Wall Street and all big Corporations,Until they can weed out all the thieves, and then deal with whats right for the Economy, and well being of the People! We should keep our Nose out of other Nations Business,No more Money in Foreign aid for any of them!Term Limits on all Government Offices,with the exception of the President,that would be left up to the People.Roosevelt was kept in place from 1933, until his Death 1945!A lot of Great things happened!If there doing their Job keep them in Place, the People will make that choice.Any deception or taking things out of Context in an Election will be Prosecuted! When its said that its just Politic is BS,it doesn't have too be that way and everyone knows it? i think that would be
Fraud or Perjury,and well be Prosecuted as such!
Why are Afro-Americans not embracing OWS? They are more downtrodden than any other group, and suffer the highest unemployment rate.
No quarrel with your statement News in regard to the greater economic peril of black folks.
If there was greater participation of blacks at this time the blood bath at the sites would likely have been even greater. I am not so sure that the spirit of Bull Connor does not still reside in the hearts of some of the Gestapo.
iTS TRUE ,THERE IS NOT ENOUGH COVERAGE ON THE OCCUPY MOVEMENT! yOU WOULD EXPECT TO SEE SOMETHING EVERY NEWS CAST BUT YOU DON'T?
In that case News I had better tell you that on the next Saturday morning, after we had delivered four large pizzas on a Thursday evening to OWS-OKC we took breakfat to them. Three big boxes of Dunkin Donuts, a gallon of orange juice, and a gallon of orange-mango juice. Oh, and four packs of Marlboros (the cigarettes by their request when asked what they needed). ;)
Seriously, to receive kudos, and friendship from one of your caliber is indeed gratifying.
A bullish take on the never before seen 36 hour Friday. http://www.borowitzreport.com/2011/11/25/in-positive-economic-sign-walmart-custo...
Food for thought. En garde pessimists. Despite the thoughts expressed at this link Malthus lives!
News I am surprised that you did not realize that the Borowitz Report is pure satire. Give me a break. You didn't take that spoof seriously did you? I am relatively certain that the writer already knew that it is poppy cock to believe that the annual Thanksgiving Friday madness is anything more than brain washed consumers going on a buying frenzy to relieve their pent up desire to buy, buy, buy.
In my opinion it is not all that different from a broke drunk, unable to buy decent whiskey, spending his last dime on rot gut because he must have something...NOW!
I have long been aware of the distinction afforded durable goods, and found your closing comment "They know better, and now so do you." presumptuous. Chill my friend. :)
I think this take on OWS may not be that uncommon considering the perspective forced upon black people in America. http://www.theroot.com/views/ows-blackness
I was standing in my garage tonight when I happened to look up to a shelf, and saw a box of very large trash bags. The picture on the side of the box was of one of the black bags, tied with a prominently displayed yellow ribbon. I reflected that it was the only place I had seen a yellow ribbon for a long, long time. The irony did not escape me.
Has it really come to pass that our interminable wars have gone on for so long that direct symbolic references to them are now absent, blown away like the dust of the dead that has settled unmarked in foreign fields? Has it come to pass that we not only indulge our proclivity for forgetting what has ended badly, but have now learned to forget what continues badly?
Are we not quickly stuffing reminders of our failures, our remorse, into black bags, like so many pieces of garbage, to be quickly removed before the stench can not be ignored?
How can something awful that continues, be so absent from our consciousness, that we see, in the absence of contemporary reminders, an unintended reminder, that causes us to reflect almost as if it was something that happened long ago. These wars in a large part, for many of us, now dwell in surreality.
I was reading about this Rocky Anderson, Former Mayor in Utah. He has been trying to get on the Ballot for President with a Third Party,(The Justice Party) I've never heard of him before! Rachel Maddow had him on last nite.He has some good idea's. I'll have too find out more about him.If he's a Bible Thumper and can't leave that out of his Politic, ill forget him! News, Okla,Nana what do you know about him?
The National Defense Authorization Act sends a chill down my spine. We have become a nation of moles that never see the light, excepting during an occasional pop up, followed by a whack that sends us back into darkness more senseless than before.
Tonight at eleven OWS-OKC gets das boot. This after a week of propaganda by the Regressive owned local media howling about how expensive it is to "allow" them to exercise their civil rights.
By that standard there should be no arrests. After all it is much more expensive to process, and imprison protesters, than to patrol, and provide porta-potties.
We shall see.
Here is an interesting link regarding cop-biased media. http://www.ct.com/blog/wtxx-the-media-bias-no-one-talks-about-20111122,0,7087130...
"Why Republicans Embrace Simpletons and How it Hurts America", from Forbes.com. A painfully funny look at the funny farm of dolts, and goats that comprise the Republican field. http://news.yahoo.com/why-republicans-embrace-simpletons-hurts-america-192501947...
It should be each Individual ordering the Arrests, and making the Arrest, held responsible and not having to Pay with Tax Payer Money.it would be more affective? They are holding the Tax Payer Hostage.These People holding these Positions should be held accountable Individually.Just as Bush and his cohorts should have been dealt with!The same with the Politicians, Fraud & Perjury and taking things out of Context.there should be Consequences for that in my opinion!
I agree, NanaDot. Surprisingly little media frenzy over the defense bill provision you refer to. Here's a passage from the Washington Post story:
"In an escalating fight with the White House, the bill would ramp up the role of the military in handling terror suspects. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta and FBI Director Robert Mueller both oppose the provisions as does the White House, which said it cannot accept any legislation that "challenges or constrains the president's authorities to collect intelligence, incapacitate dangerous terrorists and protect the nation."
"The bill would require military custody of a suspect deemed to be a member of al-Qaida or its affiliates and involved in plotting or committing attacks on the United States. American citizens would be exempt. ...
"The legislation also would deny suspected terrorists, even U.S. citizens seized within the nation's borders, the right to trial and subject them to indefinite detention."
How long until the OWS protestors are labeled terrorists?
So....did anyone see 60 Minutes last night?
Amen to all that News.
Nope WTF. Good one?
60 Minutes showed a couple of inside the mortage industry whistleblowers that have been completely ingnored by the justice department. Typical.
No one will be Indited in the Mortgage Fraud & Wall Street until we the People, (as one) demand it not just Demonstrate on the Streets! Back them up with pulling your Money out of Wall Street, and putting it in Credit Unions! Take your Money out of their Hands,anyway possible. I did ,what little i have! All these indictments should have started with Bush, Cheney,and the rest! It would have set a tone with the rest of the Crooks!
You know with all i've read about Politic.You know who the enemy? Most of us! What do People do sit around and listen too every crackpot that opens his Mouth,and believes it? take this Gingrich thief and Flem flam Man! Don't People remember how this Pig left his terminally ill Wife, and how he handled his job as Speaker.and now the s.o.b. is back running first in the Polls! My friends, there's somethings wrong with all of us, if this is the kind of People we want running our Country,and all Politicians are the same,from city Government right up to the Top office's! It's something else when you Investigate!
They have been so corrupt for so long, they don't know how to do any good.
-- Posted by news across on Sat, Dec 3, 2011, at 1:07 AM
After reading many post on here I guess it could be said that many have believed lies for so long that they can't recognize the truth. Just sayin.....
"After reading many post on here I guess it could be said that many have believed lies for so long that they can't recognize the truth. Just sayin....."
Sounds the me like you just described organized religion.
I can believe you Deleted the "Quote" from Patty Myer, of Montana! It was a Profound Statement that everyone should have the Opportunity to read! The Language was a little harsh but nothing too shocking for grown Ups Censorship Sucks!What was the objectionable Part of the Story? Was it the Language or the content? You should be ashamed!
There is never the money for bed pans or books yet we always have plenty of bullets.
Can't Prosecute? Some more B.S.for the People to swallow! They do think we are stupid,i kind-a think so too!Look at all the Prosecutions that could be in Court right now.The deterrent factor alone would save us a lot of Money in the long run! It would be Money well spent! And the Flem -flam Man is back,Gingrich is as no account as you can get,and look he's back at the top of the Polls.Crime does Pay.This man should have been in Jail a decade ago! So are we nuts? I think maybe little.
Well, you have to keep in mind that Gingrich is polling well with the GOP base, not the general population. At least Blagojevich just got 14 years. That's a start. I wonder what Bush / Cheney will get?
What would be a more definitive name for the right wing in America who continue to cling to the appellation Conservative? They certainly don't want to conserve anything.
Nowadays they seem bent on returning us to the no holds barred, days of the Robber Barons. Survival of the fittest is their mantra. Remove regulations, do away with, or reduce federal income tax, privatize (gut) Social Security, on, and on. In summation they embrace a return to Social Darwinism. That is in no way twentieth, nor twenty first century Conservatism, which due to its absence from the scene in this century is yet to be defined.
They fume at Progressives, and scoff at everything Progressives stand for. In fact on almost every issue they occupy a political position the polar opposite of Progressives. In fact, and most would heartily agree, they are the opposite of Progressives.
The opposite of progressive defined, is regressive. Therefore, the only rational conclusion as to what they really are is the Regressives. Republican Regressives, The Regressive Movement, those phrases have a nice ring to them don't they, and all the more so because of their dead on accuracy.
In the future I will refrain from using the term Conservative, for it is but a ghost, a phantom, an apparition, not in any semblance of truth a presence in modern America. I hail those dead, or diminished Conservatives who no longer have a voice, and will not sully their memory by mentioning them in the same breath with the names of the clowns, cut throats, and connivers currently parading across the platform of the Pachyderms. REGRESSIVE, REGRESSIVE, REGRESSIVE!
For more information on this subject please read the Robert Reich commentary at the following link. It was the inspiration for my diatribe. http://robertreich.org/post/13567144944
-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Dec 9, 2011, at 12:40 AM
Thanks ND. You set a high standard to emulate. :)
are you saying that iraq and afghanistan couldn't defend themselves? ... not that i agree with the wars - the sooner we get out the better - but do you really think either of these countries were defenseless?
news... you get more and more and more and more and more radical with each post... it is mildly entertaining to watch you drift from reality
what the f
Blog getting prison time also implicates Jesse Jackson junior and Obama.... but then the current DOJ is preventing fair treatment of the facts as they apply to Democrats ....
I am still waiting for answers from you liberal wackos... with your 100% accurate (In your opinion) 20/20 hindsight vision, exactly what would you do, where would you send troops, how would you defend the US from more Terrorist activities...
NONE of you have ever come up with any sort of action... and we all know and understand from history that doing nothing strengthens the enemy, appeasement leads to more aggressive behavior by the enemy until you are too weak and have too many of your resources taken away to defend yourself. WWII is the greatest example of how appeasement and apathy leads to great destruction in the world
SO again... give me DETAILED description of how you would have responded to terrorist attacks against the US... Keep in mind you have none to very little of the top secret data and intell that were present at the moment of these attacks and the months afterward.
I dont care about opinion about past US policies all I care about is your answer as to what our response should have been.
nanadot... to your comment regarding the imaginary 1%.... if they own Congress exactly how is giving our federal government more and more and more control over every aspect of our life not giving that 1% more and more control over our lives? You say we need more and more government to fix things but then you say they are bought and paid for by the evil corporations.... just curious how you justify this in your mind.
Fine. You win. Let's just kill everbody. Feel better now?
BTW, If Jesse Jackson and Obama have indeed commited crimes then by all means we should prosecute them. I'm not sure where anyone on this board has ever suggested that a democrat get a pass on illegal activity. That seems to be your particular fetish/phobia.
That being said, can we finally stop the dance and indict Bush/Cheney? Iraq was illegal no matter how you decide spin it.
Your friend the Liberal Wacko.
X-ray I don't know whether you read selectively, or it is that you have a selective memory, but the ground you asked us to cover, has been covered here more than once by those you most enjoy insulting. In case you are dealing with a failing memory, rather than what I supposed, I have included your comment as a reminder of what you said. Following that is a post I made not that long ago that is on point concerning your direct plea for an answer. I hope it clears your fog.
"I am still waiting for answers from you liberal wackos... with your 100% accurate (In your opinion) 20/20 hindsight vision, exactly what would you do, where would you send troops, how would you defend the US from more Terrorist activities...
NONE of you have ever come up with any sort of action... and we all know and understand from history that doing nothing strengthens the enemy, appeasement leads to more aggressive behavior by the enemy until you are too weak and have too many of your resources taken away to defend yourself. WWII is the greatest example of how appeasement and apathy leads to great destruction in the world
SO again... give me DETAILED description of how you would have responded to terrorist attacks against the US... Keep in mind you have none to very little of the top secret data and intell that were present at the moment of these attacks and the months afterward.
-- Posted by mrxray on Tue, Dec 13, 2011, at 6:08 PM"
"Suppose instead of invading Iraq, at the cost of a million lives, and trillions of dollars, we had rationally considered the real problems the Iraqi government posed to us, what their real problems were, and gone to it with the following offer. We will help to protect you from invasion by Iran, We will give you five hundred billion dollars to restore you infrastructure, and assuage your other needs. In turn you must not continue the friction with the Kurds in your country, instead let them share equally. You must give up any desire for nuclear weapons, and nuclear power, using our largesse to instead build environmentally friendly sources of power etc. I believe that had we done that we would not be in our current dilemma.
Instead we did what we did at monumental cost to us, and Iraq, destroying the balance in the middle east as we were at it. Instead we engaged in what George W. Bush so unconsciously succinctly called it, a crusade.
-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Dec 9, 2011, at 11:35 AM"
OKR>.. LOL so you think that by giving Sadaam 500 BILLION dollars after he ignored 100s, if not 1000s of UN sanctions and rulings and mandates, would have suddenly changed Iraq's course of action? OR would they have acted like Hitler did when Europe tried to appease him and taken the money, grown stronger with more and more terrorists support and ignore the US desires?
anyone who claims OIL is the cause of all wars and evils in the world ignores the reality of the Islam religion and how they PUBLICALLY tell you they hate anything Western and want all Westerners dead..... I know, I know... appeasement is what you leftists want. Nanadot
news... how about beliving like Harry Reid that absolutely NO rich person EVER creates a job, or maintains employees? OR Obama stating that he had visited 57 states with a few more to go? OR Biden telling Missouri's Representative to stand up... when he was wheel chair bound?
Bringing up mistakes and mistatements by people proves nothing Only that you are biased with no real free thinking of your own
News... comparing UK and Irelands situation to that of the World and the Islam religion is like comparing hot pancakes and eggs and bacon to hard tack and frozen biscuits Nothing CLOSE to the same situation....
news... as to your comments... I dont care about what you think of me either... but maybe you should stop YOUR silly thinking and change YOUR mind over to MY way of thinking... lol can you please tell me exactly what sense you made with that statement?
news... you will have to provide background before I answer your question. Explain how YOU think that corporations are a person... I know the liberal talking points... but if you are going to argue this point then YOU have to provide exact details that substantiate how YOU think that corporations have personhood AND how that is bad.
as for those objecting to the Iraq war... the SENATE voted 77-23 to authorize Bush to invade Iraq in Oct 2002. THe house voted its approval 296-133. You act as if Bush and Cheney did this alone, of as if the Senate and House intell committees did not read the same reports as the President did... These were even bigger margins than Bush I got in 1991 to expel Iraq from Kuwait... strange Right?
Historically Sadaam ignore the UN, the UN security counsel and all efforts to resolve the Iraq situation that had been festering like an open boil since before 1991.
HEre some interesting aspects regargind England and Australia
"The U.S. administration argued that it had enough legal support for its subsequent military action, based on resolution 1441 as well as two previous Security Council resolutions: 678, which in 1990 authorized the U.N. to take military action against Iraq, and 687, which set the terms of the cease-fire at the end of the 1991 Gulf War. Administration lawyers said that because Iraq never lived up to the terms of the cease-fire, the use force was now valid.
In answer to a question in parliament, Great Britain�s Attorney General Lord Goldsmith issued a March 17th statement supporting the use of force against Iraq. The Australian Attorney General�s Department issued a memorandum on March 18th, also supporting the use of force against Iraq."
Spain supported this action as well as other nations
To break down that Senate vote further... 28 Dems voted FOR the resolution and only 22 Dems against.
Clinton, Kerry, BIDEN, Edwards,Bayh and Daschle voted FOR IT.
You all act as if Bush and Cheney did this all by their self and ignored Congress... LOL
LOL I still have to laugh at the suggestion that 500 billion would have appeased Iraq into stopping what they were doing and quit molesting the Kurds or anyone else for that matter they Sadaam decided to perform Genocide against. LOL
Bush/Cheny lied about Hussien aquiring weapons grade yellow cake uranium from Nigeria for WMD's. Congress bought the lies and voted to invade.
When Joe Wilson wouldn't play ball and lie for the them they outed his wife as a CIA operarative. That's a treasonous act in and of itself and all that happened was that Scooter Libby was slapped on the wrist. Pathetic.
As of last Friday, the war in Iraq had claimed 4,487 American lives, with another 32,226 Americans wounded in action and that doesn't count the thousands upon thousands of dead Iraqi's who never did a damned thing to you.
They defended thier country as we would have ours.
Can you look into thier mother's eyes and tell her they deserved it? Could you do that Xray because that is effectively what you are saying?
Do you have the guts? I doubt it.
You cannot blame them for defending thier country. We invaded them, remember?
Billions and billions squandered and for what? The profit of a very few. Period. Shell,BP, Haliburton and Blackwater.
And folks wonder why people are protesting.
I love my country but words cannot express how ashamed I am of my government.
What part of this do you not understand and how can you continue to defend these people?
X-Ray you said "I am still waiting for answers from you liberal wackos... with your 100% accurate (In your opinion) 20/20 hindsight vision, exactly what would you do, where would you send troops, how would you defend the US from more Terrorist activities..."
I had posted exactly what you said you wanted a very few days before you said the above.
Can you man up, just once, and say I WAS WRONG? Of course not, and I am wasting my time pointing out that you were wrong. Due to your selective attention deficit, whatever it's source you won't know this was ever posted.ROTFLMAO!
Oklahoma, I have been reading this board pretty regularly of late and didn't remember you posting that so I went on a search. Just to be fair to xray, you posted that on Speak Out Religion and not this Politics board. So maybe xray didn't see it because of that?
Anne D: I, and others, have posted previously as to what we think should have been done. I merely selected that one because it was nearest in time to X-Ray's broadside. However as you are interested in fairness why not ask him if he reads the religion blog? I happen to believe that he does.
His bombast was typically long on hyperbole, and short on accuracy.
"LOL I still have to laugh at the suggestion that 500 billion would have appeased Iraq into stopping what they were doing and quit molesting the Kurds or anyone else for that matter they Sadaam decided to perform Genocide against. LOL"
That is the expected response from you X-Ray, with, in my opinion, your last century ideology. Laugh if you will, but it is the Chinese who are entitled to ROTFL at our antique, and muddled utilage of warfare to further empiricism. They meanwhile are quietly, and adeptly utilizing the methods that I spoke of to establish a dominating presence where they choose, including Afghanistan. It is so much cheaper, with stable, long lasting results.
We will be better off if, and when, we can get the out moded ideology of the Regressives put on the back shelf, and that of Progressives leading us back to sanity. LOL indeed!
I have no interest in knowing if xray reads the Religion Board. I was merely pointing out that you reprimanded him for not reading something that you posted on another board when he asked the question on this one.
By the way, Oklahoma-----I would have taken up for you too if the situation were reversed. All in the interest of fairness, of course. I'm not here to take political sides. I like reading about what others think and hearing both sides.
No offense taken Anne D., and from what I have seen of you on the blogs I do believe your position was taken in the interest of fairness. I did not think your position was politically motivated.
Thank you News Across. If you disparage all the Progressive ideology, and you espouse the opposite, you are the opposite of a Progressive which is, as defined, a Regressive.
Nope News, not in my lifetime. In my past (what is destined to be the larger portion of my life) people in fact had less material goods. Yet there were not so many, so poor. Most adult males, most of the time, even those who were not "good", and "ambitious" workers had a job. While many women were homemakers, it was not a disparaged career. Wages were such that a one income household was sufficient to maintain a decent standard of living.
Please note that this is not some sort of homage to halcyon days of old, there was plenty that was wrong. Abject poverty, to specifically answer you, seemed not so acute, particularly among white folks. You would likely get a different answer from folks of color kidnapped into slavery in this country, and those remnants of indigenous peoples from whom we took everything.
You guys still don't get it. Keep them poor and dependent and they will vote for you as long as you keep the entitlements coming and they will vote against anyone trying to take it away. You should thank Mr. Obama and the democrats for this it is their voting base. They want people to be poor. Why do they attack the private sector and uphold unions and keep expanding government? They have been doing it for years but Obama put it on steroids and we can see where it is leading us and you all seem to want more of it. They will get what they deserve and we won't have to worry about it. Good example is the payroll tax cut. Who will vote against it? People will not give it up willingly. Want poverty vote democrat! Oh and FDR extended the great depression much longer than if he hadn't interfered.
I see a lot of R.U.S.H. here. What's that you say? Oh, Regressive unadulterated swill hurled.
Any of you still up, and around should take a peek at what state senator Stouffer has to say now on his blog...priceless. I could not resist a counterpoint to his point. ;)
News I should have spoken more precisely. His comment is on this website. He has a blog now, here. It is in the same column where Marcia, Kathy, and the regular bloggers post. It is on the left side of your screen.
How we made an impression on the hearts, and minds of the Iraqi people, one that they can never forget. http://warisacrime.org/content/new-photos-released-iraq-atrocity-documents-and-v...
And here is more evidence of the bone chilling fact that we committed murder to the point that it became a part of the process of conducting the war.
I am in anguish concerning who I should vote for in the upcoming presidential election of 2012, or even whether I should cast a presidential vote. Here in Oklahoma I will likely only have the choice to vote for, either the Democratic candidate, or the Republican candidate.
I will not vote for Barak Obama as I believe he is weak, and an appeaser, incapable of leading us out of the morass in which we find ourselves. On the other hand the Republican candidates, a corps of creationist clowns, and puppets of plutocrats, save one, are even more repulsive.
The one Republican candidate that has any saving grace is Ron Paul. He has been consistently against our exercises in madness, i.e. that we can win the hearts, and minds of the people of countries by invading them, destroying their infrastructure, and slaughtering them. It is a preposterous madness that has consumed the minds of those who run our country for far too long. Perhaps I, and others like me should reward him for his steadfast position against foreign adventures.
Even though his policies would have us creating a void in world affairs as he believes in no foreign aid, and is something of an isolationist, those positions may have an upside. It may hasten to conclusion the currently untenable state of world affairs that would only be delayed by Obama, and the others. Maybe that house needs to fall, so that it may be reconstructed with a stronger foundation.
Additionally he is the only anti-establishment candidate in play. He is stronger on civil liberties than any of the other possibilities. I have not made up my mind, it will be awhile yet before all is clear. One thing for certain, I would not vote for him if he selects one of the others in the Republican field, or anyone else like them as his vice-presidential running mate. He would be dead in a year, and we would have another disastrous presidency with which to contend. What to do, what to do?
For those of you in most other states, it should not be too hard to find a third party candidate that fits your desires on at least some issues. Why not vote for that candidate, and send a message to Republicans, and Democrats that you have failed us. We all know that they have.
Nana thanks for proving me right, AGAIN!
That would be a balance I could believe in News.
I am certain that a balanced third party ticket has a better shot now than at any time in my life.
I would like to see that ticket reversed though. It would be a heck of a lot less scary to me. Paul has too many Regressive qualities. With his name at the top of any ticket my vote would be largely one of desperate defiance of the status quo.
More on micro-efficiency, right there in Missouri no less. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/19/wiki-diy-civilization_n_1157895.html?13...
Best Political cartoons of 2011. http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/bl-political-cartoons.htm?nl=1
We are a country 15 trillion dollars in debt but the president and the democrats can make an issue out of 40 bucks. Have a Merry Christmas everyone!
If you had shown as much contempt for the Bush admin as you do the current admin. I might give some creedence to anything you have to say. Until then......
Pathetic, really pathetic!
Well Obama is our 4th greatest president-just ask him.
The the best you got rr3yvo? And you call others pathetic?
I was thinking Ron Paul, and then read some letters thats out.He is a bigot. But i don't think i could Vote Republican, who ever he is! Just looking at them,(the leaders)remind me of when i was a kid sitting in the theater watching Movietone News, seeing Hitler and his Henchman on the Screen,same difference with the Republicans i see today! And they all puke me!! We need one term for all Politicians! And like Roosevelt as many as the President can Win,it's up to the People if he's doing his Job!
Let's get something straight here we have a government that takes money from the taxpayers to put more workers on the government payroll payed for by taxpayers and that helps the economy how exactly?
Next time a friend excitedly shows you an ultrasound picture of the baby they are expecting you need to look mortified and say "But surely, it's not yet a child, it's still a choice."
You say it's not a choice. I say it's none of your business.
I'm convinced Obama will get a second term.It's all we have now.If the Congress can be changed at the same time, maybe he could get some great things done for the People!A lot of things will have to be changed to make this System work for the People who made this Country. I get a sense that anyone that is Voted into Power gets the attitude they will do as they please! But the People are showing a little defiance to these Jerks,it may work,but i'm still sceptical about it! We till have to get the Term Limits on these SOBS!
"A gentleman told me recently that he doubted I would vote for the Angel Gabriel if found at the head of the Democratic Party, to which I responded that the Angel Gabriel would never be found in such company. Speaking quite dispassionately, and simply as a historian, the Democrats can be trusted invariably to walk in the darkness even when to walk in the light would be manifestly to their advantage."----Teddy Roosevelt
Believe something long enough it might come true?????
Like I said, cha-ching!!!
Thanks ND, and welcome back. I must admit that I had fun creating it. If anyone had been watching as I thought, then wrote, then thought again, pauses punctuated by audible chuckles, they would have thought to themselves "The old fool has finally lost it!" I do enjoy entertaining my selves. ;)
News you still out there, or did you celebrate Christmas so frenetically that you collapsed from heat stroke?
The Iowa causes are just around the corner, and the presidential candidates are jockeying for position. Here's what MDN website poll participants think about the field:
Mitt Romney: 27.8% (74 votes)
Ron Paul: 27.1% (72 votes)
Newt Gingrich: 15.8% (42 votes)
Michele Bachmann: 9.4% (25 votes)
Jon Huntsman: 7.5% (20 votes)
Rick Perry: 7.5% (20 votes)
Rick Santorum: 4.9% (13 votes)
A bunch of clowns, nine, or so, have squeezed into a little old car that has seen better days, and has four flat tires. It is a vehicle that most folks think is going nowhere. They are traveling across Iowa in winter to drum up business.
The circus in which they participate has grown stagnate. The public, as a whole, not only doesn't take their craft seriously, but no longer even think they are funny. In fact things have turned rather ugly, to the point that the majority of folks hurl insults, and worse, whenever the circus, and its clowns are mentioned. Surveys indicated that only around ten percent of the people think that they even know what they are doing, and many actually think they are doing nothing.
The clowns know that a minority of the folks in Iowa would at the least come out to see them, especially because they are among the last remaining people anywhere who have any interest in their particular circus. To rev up response they decided they would ask those loyalists to pick out a special clown from among their group of nine as best clown to represent their circus in the run for national clown in chief.
At each stop they tumble out of the car stumbling and prat falling as they go. Some specialize in saying really stupid things, knowing that these loyal special spectators like stupid, and have shown in the past that it is the one thing that is sure to get the vote of their sort of people, not only in Iowa, but across the nation.
The only distaff member of the clown corps wished Elvis happy birthday on the anniversary of his death, an over the top, desperate gamble to establish once and for all, that she was the stupidest of clowns. Pundits observed that her tactic was an utter failure because the Iowan minority involved in the contest, and weaned on Fox News, didn't get her mistake. She received no dumb points for that one.
Another is famous for his statement "I have no problem with homosexuality. I have a problem with homosexual acts." That registered high marks for stupid with those folks of the challenged caucus. One serious fellow was heard to say "I think that Rick Insanitorium feller has got my vote. He reminds me of my neighbor Billy Bob. He's the kinda guy you can laugh with, and have a beer with."
So, on, and on this insignificant madness continues. We will know in a few days who a minority of the voters of Iowa, a group to the right of eighty percent of the American voting populace thinks should be Clown in Chief.
The only thing more ridiculous than this scenario as it plays out, is the psuedo gravitas that our national main stream media pretends to afford it. Actually they are just copping to a good thing, a good thing for the MSM that is. Where else would they find kooky reality television, an American addiction, that they do not have to pay the participants, nor production costs. They are laughing all the way to the bank.
Soon the "Iowa Primary" will be forgotten. Open primaries, that is those open to Republicans, and Independents, will give us, in short order, a better understanding as to who a significant portion of the citizenry will choose as the Republican nominee for President to challenge Barak Obama.
Yep, News. Obama, and Vice President Hillary Clinton.
I saved this link until after Christmas because I didn't want to besmirch Christmas with these images. ;)
Ayn Rand Christmas cards. http://www.internetweekly.org/2011/12/cartoon_ayn_rand_christmas_cards.html
Well bless your liberal atheistic heart okr from saving us from that BEFORE Christmas. Your consideration is uncanny. Thank you.
Article from St. Louis American - :Assault on Voting Rights".
Thanks rr3, uncanny huh?
1.eerie: too strange or unlikely to seem merely natural or human
2.keen: unexpectedly accurate or precise
However, you leave me in a quandary as to what you meant. Knowing your predilection I am betting on 1. above. Should I frame that One above? ;)
Yeh CWilli it's been going on for a long, long, time. Since the founding of our country the haves, have oppressed the have nots. In fact one must pause to wonder if it ever stopped, even for a moment.
Are you familiar with Howard Zinn's "A People's History of The United States"? It is an eye opener.
Eric Margolis, one of the last real Republicans on 'Republican Hicks and Holy Rollers', also quotes Sinclair Lewis 'When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross'. http://www.ericmargolis.com/political_commentaries/republican-hicks-and-holy-rol...
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