Speak Out [politics] October 1 to December 31, 2011

Yeh CWilli it's been going on for a long, long, time. Since the founding of our country the haves, have oppressed the have nots. In fact one must pause to wonder if it ever stopped, even for a moment.

Are you familiar with Howard Zinn's "A People's History of The United States"? It is an eye opener.

Article from St. Louis American - :Assault on Voting Rights".

http://www.stlamerican.com/news/local_ne...

Well bless your liberal atheistic heart okr from saving us from that BEFORE Christmas. Your consideration is uncanny. Thank you.

Yep, News. Obama, and Vice President Hillary Clinton.

A bunch of clowns, nine, or so, have squeezed into a little old car that has seen better days, and has four flat tires. It is a vehicle that most folks think is going nowhere. They are traveling across Iowa in winter to drum up business.

The circus in which they participate has grown stagnate. The public, as a whole, not only doesn't take their craft seriously, but no longer even think they are funny. In fact things have turned rather ugly, to the point that the majority of folks hurl insults, and worse, whenever the circus, and its clowns are mentioned. Surveys indicated that only around ten percent of the people think that they even know what they are doing, and many actually think they are doing nothing.

The clowns know that a minority of the folks in Iowa would at the least come out to see them, especially because they are among the last remaining people anywhere who have any interest in their particular circus. To rev up response they decided they would ask those loyalists to pick out a special clown from among their group of nine as best clown to represent their circus in the run for national clown in chief.

At each stop they tumble out of the car stumbling and prat falling as they go. Some specialize in saying really stupid things, knowing that these loyal special spectators like stupid, and have shown in the past that it is the one thing that is sure to get the vote of their sort of people, not only in Iowa, but across the nation.

The only distaff member of the clown corps wished Elvis happy birthday on the anniversary of his death, an over the top, desperate gamble to establish once and for all, that she was the stupidest of clowns. Pundits observed that her tactic was an utter failure because the Iowan minority involved in the contest, and weaned on Fox News, didn't get her mistake. She received no dumb points for that one.

Another is famous for his statement "I have no problem with homosexuality. I have a problem with homosexual acts." That registered high marks for stupid with those folks of the challenged caucus. One serious fellow was heard to say "I think that Rick Insanitorium feller has got my vote. He reminds me of my neighbor Billy Bob. He's the kinda guy you can laugh with, and have a beer with."

So, on, and on this insignificant madness continues. We will know in a few days who a minority of the voters of Iowa, a group to the right of eighty percent of the American voting populace thinks should be Clown in Chief.

The only thing more ridiculous than this scenario as it plays out, is the psuedo gravitas that our national main stream media pretends to afford it. Actually they are just copping to a good thing, a good thing for the MSM that is. Where else would they find kooky reality television, an American addiction, that they do not have to pay the participants, nor production costs. They are laughing all the way to the bank.

Soon the "Iowa Primary" will be forgotten. Open primaries, that is those open to Republicans, and Independents, will give us, in short order, a better understanding as to who a significant portion of the citizenry will choose as the Republican nominee for President to challenge Barak Obama.

The Iowa causes are just around the corner, and the presidential candidates are jockeying for position. Here's what MDN website poll participants think about the field:

Mitt Romney: 27.8% (74 votes)

Ron Paul: 27.1% (72 votes)

Newt Gingrich: 15.8% (42 votes)

Michele Bachmann: 9.4% (25 votes)

Jon Huntsman: 7.5% (20 votes)

Rick Perry: 7.5% (20 votes)

Rick Santorum: 4.9% (13 votes)

Thanks ND, and welcome back. I must admit that I had fun creating it. If anyone had been watching as I thought, then wrote, then thought again, pauses punctuated by audible chuckles, they would have thought to themselves "The old fool has finally lost it!" I do enjoy entertaining my selves. ;)

Believe something long enough it might come true?????

I'm convinced Obama will get a second term.It's all we have now.If the Congress can be changed at the same time, maybe he could get some great things done for the People!A lot of things will have to be changed to make this System work for the People who made this Country. I get a sense that anyone that is Voted into Power gets the attitude they will do as they please! But the People are showing a little defiance to these Jerks,it may work,but i'm still sceptical about it! We till have to get the Term Limits on these SOBS!

Next time a friend excitedly shows you an ultrasound picture of the baby they are expecting you need to look mortified and say "But surely, it's not yet a child, it's still a choice."

I was thinking Ron Paul, and then read some letters thats out.He is a bigot. But i don't think i could Vote Republican, who ever he is! Just looking at them,(the leaders)remind me of when i was a kid sitting in the theater watching Movietone News, seeing Hitler and his Henchman on the Screen,same difference with the Republicans i see today! And they all puke me!! We need one term for all Politicians! And like Roosevelt as many as the President can Win,it's up to the People if he's doing his Job!

Well Obama is our 4th greatest president-just ask him.

http://www.breitbart.tv/obamas-our-4th-g...

rr3yvo,

If you had shown as much contempt for the Bush admin as you do the current admin. I might give some creedence to anything you have to say. Until then......

Best Political cartoons of 2011. http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/...

"Republican Congress ending 2011 with worst approval rating ever"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/12/20/co...

Yeah those teaparty republicans are so popular!

Oh me, oh my, what will we progressives do??

One thing is for sure, America is reaching a point of no return economically and democratically.

This election is not politics as usual but rather it is about which direction our Nation wants to go. Will they go the teaparty way? -- The road to economic ruin? or will they choose to break free from the Iron fisted control of the brutal, fascist teaparty and take a new road of possibiities? Please notice I used the word "choose." Its a choice. If the American economy and democracy cease to function then that is only a reflection of what the American People want. Its what they choose if that is where the next President leads them -- after all its they who are choosing who that President will be.

Its sad to watch the collapse of the greatest democracy the World has ever known and all at the hands of corrupt, Reaganist, teaparty politicians who value lining their own pockets with money from the 1% more than they do about our Nation.

Frankly, I see little hope for America's future. It would seem the Beacon on the Hill has dimmed and may be going out.

In fact, I have noticed here in Australia the people seem to think America has had it. I keep suggesting they remember the USA has survived tough times before and not to count Her out so quickly. But I do so all the while worried that they may indeed be correct.

The economic situation, the result of 30+ years of Reagan's failed Fascist economic policy and fascist political philosophy, is drastic. The facts that half the American People are now poor and that the middle class is disappearing fast are serious indications of an economy headed the way of Hati, Mexico, and the Philippines. Life in America 2 to 3 years from now may be very very different from anything most Americans have ever experienced in their entire lives. Poverty really hits home when one has not eaten for a few days.

I hope in the next election America will choose very carefully. The future of the Nation depends upon it.

rr3yv0

Exactly what was your point?

Also, what makes you think ND's comment supports your point -- specifically?

Nana thanks for proving me right, AGAIN!

And here is more evidence of the bone chilling fact that we committed murder to the point that it became a part of the process of conducting the war.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/15/world/...

News I should have spoken more precisely. His comment is on this website. He has a blog now, here. It is in the same column where Marcia, Kathy, and the regular bloggers post. It is on the left side of your screen.

Any of you still up, and around should take a peek at what state senator Stouffer has to say now on his blog...priceless. I could not resist a counterpoint to his point. ;)

I see a lot of R.U.S.H. here. What's that you say? Oh, Regressive unadulterated swill hurled.

Well then maybe folks should be a bit worried now that half the American Population is living in poverty.

After all, most of the other half are headed in that direction as well.

When will people wake up and realize Regressivist economic policies of the Tea Party and the war policies of the Tea Party are wiping out the American economy?

I guess some folks get what they deserve in the end, eh mate?

OKR,

I can't remember anytime during my lifetime that half our population was...well,...poor.

You are a couple years my senior, do you remember anytime when half of America fell into low income classification?

I am not sure that was the case in the first Great Depression, but it may have been the case then too.

The difference is we had FDR and his New Deal, Keynesian economic policies...which saved our Nation.

But frankly, it appears many Americans have decided poverty is just fine with them. Why else would the keep voting for Regressives?

No offense taken Anne D., and from what I have seen of you on the blogs I do believe your position was taken in the interest of fairness. I did not think your position was politically motivated.

By the way, Oklahoma-----I would have taken up for you too if the situation were reversed. All in the interest of fairness, of course. I'm not here to take political sides. I like reading about what others think and hearing both sides.

"LOL I still have to laugh at the suggestion that 500 billion would have appeased Iraq into stopping what they were doing and quit molesting the Kurds or anyone else for that matter they Sadaam decided to perform Genocide against. LOL"

That is the expected response from you X-Ray, with, in my opinion, your last century ideology. Laugh if you will, but it is the Chinese who are entitled to ROTFL at our antique, and muddled utilage of warfare to further empiricism. They meanwhile are quietly, and adeptly utilizing the methods that I spoke of to establish a dominating presence where they choose, including Afghanistan. It is so much cheaper, with stable, long lasting results.

We will be better off if, and when, we can get the out moded ideology of the Regressives put on the back shelf, and that of Progressives leading us back to sanity. LOL indeed!

mrxray

You may find our current and future discussions rather limited as I have no intention of responding to your requests and questions until you answer the questions I asked you.

After all, its not fair you demand of me what you yourself are not willing to do.

I await your answers.

X-Ray you said "I am still waiting for answers from you liberal wackos... with your 100% accurate (In your opinion) 20/20 hindsight vision, exactly what would you do, where would you send troops, how would you defend the US from more Terrorist activities..."

I had posted exactly what you said you wanted a very few days before you said the above.

Can you man up, just once, and say I WAS WRONG? Of course not, and I am wasting my time pointing out that you were wrong. Due to your selective attention deficit, whatever it's source you won't know this was ever posted.ROTFLMAO!

LOL I still have to laugh at the suggestion that 500 billion would have appeased Iraq into stopping what they were doing and quit molesting the Kurds or anyone else for that matter they Sadaam decided to perform Genocide against. LOL

as for those objecting to the Iraq war... the SENATE voted 77-23 to authorize Bush to invade Iraq in Oct 2002. THe house voted its approval 296-133. You act as if Bush and Cheney did this alone, of as if the Senate and House intell committees did not read the same reports as the President did... These were even bigger margins than Bush I got in 1991 to expel Iraq from Kuwait... strange Right?

Historically Sadaam ignore the UN, the UN security counsel and all efforts to resolve the Iraq situation that had been festering like an open boil since before 1991.

HEre some interesting aspects regargind England and Australia

"The U.S. administration argued that it had enough legal support for its subsequent military action, based on resolution 1441 as well as two previous Security Council resolutions: 678, which in 1990 authorized the U.N. to take military action against Iraq, and 687, which set the terms of the cease-fire at the end of the 1991 Gulf War. Administration lawyers said that because Iraq never lived up to the terms of the cease-fire, the use force was now valid.

In answer to a question in parliament, Great Britain�s Attorney General Lord Goldsmith issued a March 17th statement supporting the use of force against Iraq. The Australian Attorney General�s Department issued a memorandum on March 18th, also supporting the use of force against Iraq."

Spain supported this action as well as other nations

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-107pub...

news... as to your comments... I dont care about what you think of me either... but maybe you should stop YOUR silly thinking and change YOUR mind over to MY way of thinking... lol can you please tell me exactly what sense you made with that statement?

news... how about beliving like Harry Reid that absolutely NO rich person EVER creates a job, or maintains employees? OR Obama stating that he had visited 57 states with a few more to go? OR Biden telling Missouri's Representative to stand up... when he was wheel chair bound?

Bringing up mistakes and mistatements by people proves nothing Only that you are biased with no real free thinking of your own

OKR>.. LOL so you think that by giving Sadaam 500 BILLION dollars after he ignored 100s, if not 1000s of UN sanctions and rulings and mandates, would have suddenly changed Iraq's course of action? OR would they have acted like Hitler did when Europe tried to appease him and taken the money, grown stronger with more and more terrorists support and ignore the US desires?

wake up

X-ray I don't know whether you read selectively, or it is that you have a selective memory, but the ground you asked us to cover, has been covered here more than once by those you most enjoy insulting. In case you are dealing with a failing memory, rather than what I supposed, I have included your comment as a reminder of what you said. Following that is a post I made not that long ago that is on point concerning your direct plea for an answer. I hope it clears your fog.

"I am still waiting for answers from you liberal wackos... with your 100% accurate (In your opinion) 20/20 hindsight vision, exactly what would you do, where would you send troops, how would you defend the US from more Terrorist activities...

NONE of you have ever come up with any sort of action... and we all know and understand from history that doing nothing strengthens the enemy, appeasement leads to more aggressive behavior by the enemy until you are too weak and have too many of your resources taken away to defend yourself. WWII is the greatest example of how appeasement and apathy leads to great destruction in the world

SO again... give me DETAILED description of how you would have responded to terrorist attacks against the US... Keep in mind you have none to very little of the top secret data and intell that were present at the moment of these attacks and the months afterward.

I dont care about opinion about past US policies all I care about is your answer as to what our response should have been.

-- Posted by mrxray on Tue, Dec 13, 2011, at 6:08 PM"

"Suppose instead of invading Iraq, at the cost of a million lives, and trillions of dollars, we had rationally considered the real problems the Iraqi government posed to us, what their real problems were, and gone to it with the following offer. We will help to protect you from invasion by Iran, We will give you five hundred billion dollars to restore you infrastructure, and assuage your other needs. In turn you must not continue the friction with the Kurds in your country, instead let them share equally. You must give up any desire for nuclear weapons, and nuclear power, using our largesse to instead build environmentally friendly sources of power etc. I believe that had we done that we would not be in our current dilemma.

Instead we did what we did at monumental cost to us, and Iraq, destroying the balance in the middle east as we were at it. Instead we engaged in what George W. Bush so unconsciously succinctly called it, a crusade.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Dec 9, 2011, at 11:35 AM"

O'Reilly surprised to learn U.S. gov't. controls the military

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/12/14/or...

With video (dang my lyin' ears and eyes).

If a person bases their opinion on anything this dummy says then that person should not be surprised to get hammered by people who do know that facts (in this case, the fact is the U.S. military is governed and controlled by a civilian government -- not some separate "military government," as dummy Bill O'Reilly claims).

Ya know folks, its not real complicated. If your data is garbage going in, it will be garbage when it comes out the other side -- garbage in -- garbage out. If Bill O'Reilly is your source of information then you don't have any useful information.

Wackos? Hmmm...I like the original better:

"right-wing, religious wacko"

...and there are some real good reasons we call the conservatives that, just take a good look at some of their "leaders."

Oh and xray,

I know how much you appreciate getting a response to your questions.

That is why I am sure you will want to answer the question I am addressing to you as soon as possible.

QUESTION TO XRAY:

Do you agree that corporations are "persons" and have all the same rights as you and me and any other natural born citizen?

If you answer in the affirmative, would you support a corporation as a Presidential candidate if that corporation was "born" in America, has been a resident for at least 14 years, had attained the age of at least 35, and which reflects your values and positions on the issues?

mrxray

I am not interested in your opinion of me either way mate.

I will post news articles regardless of what you think of the articles or of the messenger who brought the link to you.

Really, maybe what you should spend your time on is reconsidering your positions, often based in factually incorrect assumptions rather than fact, and basically cleaning up your own backyard -- before you worry about mine.

nanadot... to your comment regarding the imaginary 1%.... if they own Congress exactly how is giving our federal government more and more and more control over every aspect of our life not giving that 1% more and more control over our lives? You say we need more and more government to fix things but then you say they are bought and paid for by the evil corporations.... just curious how you justify this in your mind.

what the f

Blog getting prison time also implicates Jesse Jackson junior and Obama.... but then the current DOJ is preventing fair treatment of the facts as they apply to Democrats ....

"Report: Boehner influenced Ohio gerrymandering on behalf of GOP donor"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/12/13/re...

Even in prison Republicans will vote for him and support him. They have no moral values.

zeke

Neither Iraq nor Afghanistan had a navy, army, or air-force capable of 1.) reaching the United States or 2.) getting past our coastal defenses (or anywhere close to our shores), nor did they ever threaten to do so.

The only way they were any threat to us was if we attacked them -- which we did. We invaded them, unprovoked and without any precedent.

The wars were/are unlawful under the Geneva Conventions and have almost wiped out our economy and any future our kids may have had.

In addition, we are now regarded by most of the World's nations -- including our allies, like my other country, Australia, -- as being as bad or even worse than fascist Germany, fascist Italy, and Stalinist Russia. Where we were once famous for our democracy, our freedom, and our support of human liberties and civil rights, we are now known for bullying smaller countries -- all populated by brown skinned people, torturing people, filling our prisons with political prisoners, ignoring international and domestic laws which prohibit many of the things we have done, murder, genocide, and heavy racism.

The real cost of these wars has not even yet begun to be paid yet -- but as a result of these wars we may have sacrificed the future of our Nation.

"Russians stage mass protests against Putin"

http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/201...

What the article may fail to point out is that these folks are upset because the Russian People overwhelmingly voted for the Communist Party and Putin was stuffing ballot boxes -- some where stuffed before the polls even opened. The Communist Party gained 1/3 of all the seats of Parliament but the People are pretty sure the Communist Party actually won the election without question.

The Russians are very unhappy with capitalism. They want to restore the Soviet Union, and I have no doubt they will succeed. I welcome such a return for a number of reasons, but to me the most important reason is that nothing says "NO" to American imperialism better than a well Armed Soviet Union. We, the People of the World, need checks and balances to American militarism. If the Soviet Union had been around 10 years ago, we would probably would not have been able to invaded any 3rd World Countries that could not defend themselves against us. We would be at peace now instead of war.

There is a new day dawning. There is a new World coming, and it can't come soon enough.

Rick Perry is exactly the kind of dummy we expect from the Tea Party voters.

My kids, when they were in 1st Grade, could easily name at least one Supreme Court Justice, but not Rick Perry. He could not name even 1. Also he made some rather nasty comments about our Founding Fathers. Apparently HE does not like the way they designed our Court structure, but then HE didn't found America nor did Rick Perry fight for American Independence (sorry Rick, but I think the Founding Fathers knew much better than you do what they wanted for the Nation THEY created). Such is not surprising from some Johnny-come-lately who cannot even name just one Supreme Court Justice.

No wonder he has been such a poor excuse for a Governor, and the fact that the Texans vote for him gives us all a big clue about the intellectual capacity of most Texans. No wonder that State is so screwed up.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/201...

What would be a more definitive name for the right wing in America who continue to cling to the appellation Conservative? They certainly don't want to conserve anything.

Nowadays they seem bent on returning us to the no holds barred, days of the Robber Barons. Survival of the fittest is their mantra. Remove regulations, do away with, or reduce federal income tax, privatize (gut) Social Security, on, and on. In summation they embrace a return to Social Darwinism. That is in no way twentieth, nor twenty first century Conservatism, which due to its absence from the scene in this century is yet to be defined.

They fume at Progressives, and scoff at everything Progressives stand for. In fact on almost every issue they occupy a political position the polar opposite of Progressives. In fact, and most would heartily agree, they are the opposite of Progressives.

The opposite of progressive defined, is regressive. Therefore, the only rational conclusion as to what they really are is the Regressives. Republican Regressives, The Regressive Movement, those phrases have a nice ring to them don't they, and all the more so because of their dead on accuracy.

In the future I will refrain from using the term Conservative, for it is but a ghost, a phantom, an apparition, not in any semblance of truth a presence in modern America. I hail those dead, or diminished Conservatives who no longer have a voice, and will not sully their memory by mentioning them in the same breath with the names of the clowns, cut throats, and connivers currently parading across the platform of the Pachyderms. REGRESSIVE, REGRESSIVE, REGRESSIVE!

For more information on this subject please read the Robert Reich commentary at the following link. It was the inspiration for my diatribe. http://robertreich.org/post/13567144944

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Dec 9, 2011, at 12:40 AM

rr3yv0

Welcome back buddy.

...and thanks a lot for letting me worry about you. I thought something bad had happened to you. I am glad you are OK buddy, but listen the next time you take a vacation from posting please let your friends -- like me -- know you are OK. Seriously, I was pretty worried by your absence.

Good to have you back mate!

"God does not believe in Rick Perry"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbrI3F7p6...

Can't Prosecute? Some more B.S.for the People to swallow! They do think we are stupid,i kind-a think so too!Look at all the Prosecutions that could be in Court right now.The deterrent factor alone would save us a lot of Money in the long run! It would be Money well spent! And the Flem -flam Man is back,Gingrich is as no account as you can get,and look he's back at the top of the Polls.Crime does Pay.This man should have been in Jail a decade ago! So are we nuts? I think maybe little.

I can believe you Deleted the "Quote" from Patty Myer, of Montana! It was a Profound Statement that everyone should have the Opportunity to read! The Language was a little harsh but nothing too shocking for grown Ups Censorship Sucks!What was the objectionable Part of the Story? Was it the Language or the content? You should be ashamed!

They have been so corrupt for so long, they don't know how to do any good.

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Dec 3, 2011, at 1:07 AM

After reading many post on here I guess it could be said that many have believed lies for so long that they can't recognize the truth. Just sayin.....

No one will be Indited in the Mortgage Fraud & Wall Street until we the People, (as one) demand it not just Demonstrate on the Streets! Back them up with pulling your Money out of Wall Street, and putting it in Credit Unions! Take your Money out of their Hands,anyway possible. I did ,what little i have! All these indictments should have started with Bush, Cheney,and the rest! It would have set a tone with the rest of the Crooks!

60 Minutes showed a couple of inside the mortage industry whistleblowers that have been completely ingnored by the justice department. Typical.

So....did anyone see 60 Minutes last night?

What the f......

Exactly mate.

What the bill does is basically to establish martial law (martial law occurs when military courts and military law replace civilian courts and civilian laws) in the USA and whenever the right of habeas corpus is suspended.

I think it will have some Constitutional issues when it is tested in the Courts.

The Courts have ruled in past cases that the Congress can only authorize martial law in areas where there is no functioning civilian court (ex parte Milligan, 71 US 2 [1866]).

Never-the-less, the writing is on the wall, and it appears the USA has opted to move a bit closer towards the fascist police state the 1% and a few rednecks would prefer -- well so they think anyway.

I agree, NanaDot. Surprisingly little media frenzy over the defense bill provision you refer to. Here's a passage from the Washington Post story:

"In an escalating fight with the White House, the bill would ramp up the role of the military in handling terror suspects. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta and FBI Director Robert Mueller both oppose the provisions as does the White House, which said it cannot accept any legislation that "challenges or constrains the president's authorities to collect intelligence, incapacitate dangerous terrorists and protect the nation."

"The bill would require military custody of a suspect deemed to be a member of al-Qaida or its affiliates and involved in plotting or committing attacks on the United States. American citizens would be exempt. ...

"The legislation also would deny suspected terrorists, even U.S. citizens seized within the nation's borders, the right to trial and subject them to indefinite detention."

Chilling.

It should be each Individual ordering the Arrests, and making the Arrest, held responsible and not having to Pay with Tax Payer Money.it would be more affective? They are holding the Tax Payer Hostage.These People holding these Positions should be held accountable Individually.Just as Bush and his cohorts should have been dealt with!The same with the Politicians, Fraud & Perjury and taking things out of Context.there should be Consequences for that in my opinion!

"Why Republicans Embrace Simpletons and How it Hurts America", from Forbes.com. A painfully funny look at the funny farm of dolts, and goats that comprise the Republican field. http://news.yahoo.com/why-republicans-em...

The National Defense Authorization Act sends a chill down my spine. We have become a nation of moles that never see the light, excepting during an occasional pop up, followed by a whack that sends us back into darkness more senseless than before.

Jo,

I haven't heard of him but I plan to research the guy today and find out all about him.

As a general guide, the only way you could go wrong in the coming election would be to vote for a Republican.

The Democrats are not much better than the Republicans, but they aren't crazy. That is a difference that makes the difference for me.

War? What war?

...lol...

ND, Where ya been mate?

Nice to see you posting again.

I am very concerned about the direction the passage of that bill points in. Obama has said he will veto the bill if it included the offending provisions, but we know how he flip-flops.

Frankly, I think all the signs point to the emergence of an autocratic American Government which has been replacing democracy in small bits and pieces and began with the Patriot Act.

Today we see ever growing assaults on American civil liberties that defy logic, but I think the worst part is how they don't even bother being subtle about the trashing of the rights of the American People.

Perhaps Mr. Bush was correct when he said the "Constitution is nothing but a *@#*#*% piece of paper."

I think this take on OWS may not be that uncommon considering the perspective forced upon black people in America. http://www.theroot.com/views/ows-blackne...

Oklahoma Reader

I read the article you linked to in your comment regarding the 36 hour Black Friday shopping spree.

I looked at the empirical record for the last 3 years. The same thing that happened this year happened last year and they year before and the year before.

I was curious about this because some economists are errantly assuring the public that this is the economic sign they have waited for, and that such is proof of the end of the recession/depression and the beginning of recovery.

I say nonsense.

The only thing they are basing that on is the crowds and sales of Chinese manufactured products -- Chinese imports. Those sales increases are temporary at best and it does nothing to increase new housing starts, new auto sales, or sales of domestically produced durable goods such as air-conditioners, water heaters, and roof-top, solar panel arrays nor does it increase the consumption of domestically produced building materials.

Any economist who is telling you that the frenzied crowds and seasonal increases in retail sales is proof of the end of the deflationary American economy is lying to you. Yeah lying. I am not saying they are mistaken. I am saying they are intentionally telling you a lie. They know better and now so do you.

Its a good question:

"Will War Ever End?"

What is sad that we should even have to ask that question. What is even sadder is how blood-thirsty America is. Nobody is looking to America with admiration in the World Community anymore. Nobody in the World Community seriously regards America as a democratic republic anymore.

Nowadays, whether Americans realize it or not, America is an Autocracy where principles like democracy, freedom, liberty, justice, and doing the right thing are no longer of any importance.

America has become a pathetic, collapsing empire at the hands of 2 conservative parties -- the Democrats and the Republicans.

Is it too late to go back to the good old days of freedom and democracy in America? Well I guess it doesn't matter since only a few of us want that anyway.

A bullish take on the never before seen 36 hour Friday. http://www.borowitzreport.com/2011/11/25...

OKR,

Trust me mate, I have never once thought you and I were quarreling.

I guess you forgot,

You are on my list of "American Heroes."

In my book you can do no wrong...lol.

iTS TRUE ,THERE IS NOT ENOUGH COVERAGE ON THE OCCUPY MOVEMENT! yOU WOULD EXPECT TO SEE SOMETHING EVERY NEWS CAST BUT YOU DON'T?

OKR, I think there is a lot more support for the OWS movement in the Black Community than a lot of folks are aware of. People of color are suffering tremendously -- far worse than those in the White Community and like any other American, they are deeply concerned about the direction our Nation seems to be sliding. Some Black folks have gone down to the protests -- particularly high profile Black leaders. I think often it may not be reported or is under-reported in an effort to create divisiveness or at least the appearance of such in the OWS Movement, and estimates of Black participation in the Movement are at best unscientific at this point. None of us knows the accurate figure.

However, none of that really matters at this point because the 3rd Class Coach model predicts that as the causation (war, government/corporate corruption, economic disparity and unemployment) grows so too grows the effect (mass public discontent) at a rate greater than or equal to the growth of the causation.

If the rate of causation increases so too will the rate of the public discontent until it reaches a level of outright revolution -- the real deal -- with the 1% on one side and the 99% on the other.

History gives us a very good idea of what to expect, and frankly its the defenders of the rich that really do have something to worry about if history is correct.

Wow Jo,

I see you are not a happy camper...and I don't blame you mate.

I think we are all tired of American Government corruption. It would seem we have allowed the foxes to govern the hen=house, sort-to-speak.

"Pakistan voices 'deep rage' over NATO attack"

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia/2011/...

"US, Pakistan Near Open War; Chinese Ultimatum Warns Washington Against Attack"

"Any Attack on Pakistan Would be Construed as an Attack on China"

http://tarpley.net/2011/05/21/us-pakista...

"Obama Tells BBC He Will Violate Pakistan Borders"

http://tarpley.net/2011/05/24/obama-tell...

I sure am happy I don't live in the United States -- even happier than those right-wing folks who hate me and also enjoy the fact that I am not living in the United States (as an American I certainly could live there anytime I want to live there...however, I think its safer down here.)

And if things start to look like there will be massive nuclear attacks on American cities, my wife and I will be moving to Brewarrina, deep in the Australian Outback or maybe even Alice Springs) -- its one of the the safest place in the World, or at least its as safe as any place can be. Thank goodness for remote, isolated communities that live just fine in no-man's land, way down under!

Good luck mates!

Thanks ND...I guess. What is going to happen to my grandchildren? I am old, and perhaps getting forgetful. What is it again that IMF stands for? Oh, now I remember, Insidious Meddling Fools.

"Mexican president accused of war crimes"

"systematically allowing troops to kill, kidnap and torture civilians"

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/americas/2...

"Philadelphia mayor gives 'Occupy Philly' eviction notice"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/11/26/ph...

If you had not already figured out that the Democrats are just as big an enemy of the People of the United States as the Republicans, you now have full confirmation.

Its time we start putting criminals like Michael Nutter and his rich, fat-cat 1% pals in prison.

Its time WE THE PEOPLE -- the 99% -- send a message to these criminals like Michael Nutter -- you are finished as are your rich, fat-cat pals. There is no place in our Government for criminals anymore. Those days are finished.

Its becoming clearer and clearer that the only thing the 1% understands is violence...so be it...it looks like they will get it.

Way to go red dog your home work.The fact is the collage has a track,it's in the building across the street,in the one they built a few years ago.They haven't used that old track in awhile.

I lived here a big part of my life,and it is true that the highschool did pay to use not the track but only the football feild.ONLY.they used that old runned down gravel track that in fact has never had a whole lot done since i went to school there.It still has the same old blechers there when i was in the 7th grade. but still to this day not a dam thing has been to that track.the concrete is all broken up was then and still is the middle school track in question.

But were any cuts made to fix that on going problem and the safety of anybody and,or any students,think not.instead they used that track until and well after they bulit the new highschool and some years ,until they got a track.but yet nothing still has been done to the old one.why. cause they don't care about those young kids that use it nor their safety.

Now back to the point.they closed the A.E. school,true.for what real reason,money.

The money they say they had to save,for what.lets see how,a couple of new vehicles that they said they were buying.how about a new shed that maybe that the wick builders provided,why cause his wife is involed in the tennis program.maybe.

but someone still got to pay for the labor.that's how that works

The soccer feild, maybe those compaies are taking care of their part,but once again the labor.who pays for that.in case you dont this but concrete is not cheap,i know.it's about $100.00 a yard ,so you ask your self, how many yards are they pouring.[$135.000 worth] who paying for the labor.they don't donate that stuff.

The track oh yeah the track.did any one donate a 3 135.00 fOR the asphalt ,the paint for stripes ,maybe and maybe not.so you got ask yourself that. i don't think so.

Maybe the track was in need of some repairs a little cosmetic work.a fairly new one at that.they close down something that fundamentaly good,for sports fans as you say.

Their savings is $135.000 that they said they forked out yearly for that building,wow thats alot .for a couple of rooms.and you think that macfarland was charging the school district that much money for that.good for him.there is no way that could be.thats stupid.on their part.

brake that down.i think there was four teachers,a secetary,and the principle.is that where the $135.00 was going or for the rent and ultilies.uh.

so what were they trying to save ,the staffs salaries or the rent .their still paying their salaries but in a different school.so what were they saving.

They couldn't afford the A.E. school but yet they can do all this extra stuff after they voted to do so, why you ask.heck i don't know why maybe i will ask the school board ,so they can give the public some bull story about their actions on what is right or wrong or maybe the good for school,and not anything else.

Apparently you did read all the past post about this matter and maybe you did ,maybe not i guess.their is alot of people here that feel the same way as i do on this matter and yeah maybe it is at the highschool but that is not the point.

The point is what they did to those kids that might have a hard time learning or getting along the staff at the highschool.they could have made cuts else where,like the hall cop.last i remember it is a HIGHSCHOOL not a level 4 prison.that school is no more harmful today than it was when it was built.so what is with cop.just more money or sercurity.that could have been a cut.

Enough said i could go on the fact of the matter is they will do what they want and tell you what they want you to hear,just like the higher end of the berucratic ladder we all have to trust their judgements cause they know best and the good of mankind ,but yet they are always cutting funds for education.always

So how much money out of that $135.000 IS GOING TOWARD FIXING UP THE PLACE.ALL OF IT AND SOME.

The problem with history is that instead of choosing to learn from it we simply choose to revise it if not ignore it all together.

THE AMERICAN POLICE STATE

"Police body slam leaves grandpa bloody, unconscious at Wal-Mart"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/11/25/po...

I bet Grandpa is having a few second thoughts about his support of the American Police State.

"Off-duty police pepper spray NC shoppers"

http://bottomline.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20...

"Safeway fires guard for banning 4-year-old girl"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/11/25/sa...

Season's Greetings from your Police State Government and remember -- OBEY!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8Q9MxvxX...

mrxray

The NAZI's hated socialists. That is why the socialists were the first to go to the concentration camps.

The NAZIS were a small, ultra-right-wing, conservative think tank when Hitler was first ordered by the army to investigate and spy on them. Hitler was delighted to learn the NAZI Party shared his conservative ideals and he joined them.

The National Socialist Workers Party is no more socialist than North Korea is a democratic republic (as in "Peoples' Democratic Republic of Korea," aka, "North Korea").

I can understand your confusion. Lots of folks mistakenly judge books, national titles, and political parties by their cover -- rather than looking at the story inside the book, or the ideals which fueled a political party, or what the actual policies of that party or government were.

As to the teaparty fascists...well they are fascists not much different than the folks we were just discussing. I have no time for the teaparty, their failed economic policies or their opposition to enforcement of all but 2 of the Bill of Rights. As to the future of their policies....well those are causing a lot of unrest in the USA and I see no reason to think that unrest has dissipated any.

As long as oppressive, authoritarian teaparty policies continue to destroy our economy and allow the flow of wealth into the private accounts of the fat-cat rich bankers, the cause of the unrest will continue to result in more and more public unrest, more police violence, and more folks sliding into poverty. The only real question is how long does the teaparty think it will be before We the People start loading them up onto the guillotines? I am betting it won't be much longer lol lol lol...Good luck buddy lol lol lol...

all of you who are standing up for the whole idiotic occupy wall street and occupy cities movement have obviously NOT done your research as to who is initiating this and backing it and who is prodding the young mindless fools with their expensive tents, Ipads,Iphones and etc to stay in a location in a city protesting something of which they have NO real grasp of, made obvious by the inability of them to do nothing more than shout one liners and memorized propaganda, ALL WHILE creating in evironment in the tent cities where drugs and RAPE and Crimes are being commited, and where HONEST hardworking MIDDLE CLASS small business owners are being DESTROYED while the idiot protestors disrupt their businesses and vandalize their property all while proving they are idiots every time they open their mouths....... Bill Ayers, George Soros, the Communist, Nazi Socialist and other ANTI American groups are totally funding and pushing this movement.... no wonder Obama is trying to show that he empathizes with this OWS movement..... At least the Tea Partiers went home at night, cleaned up their trash and were respectful....

OKR,

William River's Pitt's article normally would bring to everyone's attention the criminal behavior of the mayors and police involved in the brutal attacks on the peaceful protesters. However, apparently the teaparty neocons who cried so loudly for a return to our Constitution are no-where to be seen or heard when it comes to defending that Constitution they claimed -- falsely -- that they understood, had read, and wanted to see enforced.

These mayors and their storm-trooper, brown-shirt police officers all need to go to prison where they belong and as soon as possible. However, if nothing good has come of the attacks on our Constitutional rights by the police and the conservative 1%, at least now the teaparty has been exposed for the fraud they are.

ND,

Actually, as I have pointed out before and which remains a well-understood fact in the science of Economics is that "free-market, "Supply-side," and "Voodoo Economics" are all the same thing -- Neoclassical Hypothesis. It too has no empirical evidence which would describe it as a successful economic hypothesis when used in practical application.

I am all for trying out the Steady-State Economic Hypothesis. Certainly the Neoclassical approach is not working as evident by the many economic collapses we have experienced over the years as a result of applied Neoclassical policies. We need a new deal and perhaps Steady-State is the way to go. I say let's try it and see what happens. If it doesn't work, we will try something else.

ND,

Thank you for asking me about Steady-State Economic Hypothesis. I am honored that you are interested in hearing my thoughts on that.

But first, some good listening music while you read my response (lol)

"Taxi Driver - Soundtrack"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGkujkBRa...

OK, got it playing? Lovely isn't it?

Here is a summary of my opinion thus far of the Steady-State Economic concept.

I like the general concepts of Steady-State Economic hypothesis.

As yet is has not been attempted in the form now described by Herman Daly, Robert Costanza, and AnnMari Jansson, et al, so we have no empirical evidence to support it. I believe it may have strong mathematical support, and I think its probably do-able.

It describes achievable Allocation and Technology goals, but it becomes rather fuzzy as regards the 3rd leg of any economy -- Equity -- how the goods and services are to be distributed. That is a crucial aspect of any economy.

I believe that a Steady-State economy would only work in the context of a very tightly controlled economy. The dollar vote element of Capitalism just won't do it. To maintain effective levels of supply and demand at a stable equilibrium point while also keeping investment and depreciation at exactly the correct balance would require a scientifically planned economy.

I fully support the idea. I would love to see our Nation at least give it a shot because at least one thing is for sure...

...Capitalism sure doesn't work very well, nor can Capitalism survive long in an environment of declining consumption.

Thanks again for asking and I hope you enjoyed the musical portion of the show..ahem...I mean, summary.

Thanks for the link ND. I signed their petition. Unfortunately in many congressional quarters petitions such as that get the same sort of attention that they would give to the hanky of a bum with a bad cold as he handed it to them.

For all the sisters and brothers of the Occupy Movement,

I think Green Day might agree...this song is in your honor.

Good on ya America for not lying down and taking it!

Good on ya America for fighting back against the fat-cats and their fellow travelers, the teaparty neocons!!

Green Day - "Holiday [Live]"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5aQFRc4o...

"Let it be told to the future world, that in the depth of winter, when nothing but hope and virtue could survive, that the city and the country, alarmed at one common danger, came forth to meet and repulse it."-Thomas Paine December 23rd, 1776.

The writings of this man for the ages are as pertinent today as they were over two hundred years ago.

I invite you all to explore "The Crisis" a series of "posts" by our friend Tom Paine. http://www.ushistory.org/PAINE/crisis/in...

Here is another of our neo-pamphleteers who like Chris Hedges, writes as if Tom Paine is looking over his shoulder. William Rivers Pitt on OWS. Enjoy, think, then act! http://www.truth-out.org/what-america-lo...

ND,

I did indeed enjoy that very much!!

Kieth doesn't mess around. He gets right to the point.

Great link ND.

Ya know OKR, your right...

...it sure has gotten quiet around here lately.

I am hoping some of our good friends on the other side of the political aisle are perhaps silent because they are considering the arguments made by those in the 99% Movement...well revolution might be a better word for it.

Funny that how folks can sometimes see things so much clearer when they realize the voice they are hearing is the collective voice of the overwhelming majority of Americans demanding a whole new deal.

Let's see, how does that old saying go?

Oh yeah, "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em."

Expanding further I believe that it is the example set by their presidential hopefuls that has caused conservative comment to cease on this political blog, rather than that they have been overpowered by the splendid minds of those fortunate enough to possess an enlarged anterior cingulate cortex.

It seems that each week a new head pops up a bit higher than the others, from the sewage lagoon that all the Republican candidates are swimming in, and just as their constituency on the bank throws that candidate a line, and pulls it partially to dry land, they are as usual, overwhelmed by the stink, release the rope, and let another hopeful slide back in.

Michelle Bachmann has amazed the world with her astounding ignorance that is recognized by every conservative whose knuckles don't drag the ground when walking.

Rick Perry who, even worse, at times can't speak at all, and then when he does, reminds them so much of George W. Bush that it sends a shudder down their spines, has been rejected.

They hoped that they were on to something with their own black candidate, Herman Cain, to oppose Obama, but have even if they can't admit it, the sense that he is a womanizer, and a bully. They may have been able to live with that, but his over the top imitation of Rick Perry's brain freeze was just too much. They let him flop back into the water.

And so it goes, on, and on, one by one. With each the stink has a distinctive top note, but the underlying stench is the same.

Meanwhile Mittt Romney holds his head high above the water, immaculate hair unscathed, carefully treading, treading, treading. It could be that the nomination is his if he will just adopt the old Stealers Wheel song as his campaign anthem. "Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right, here I am, stuck in the middle with you."

That is until you consider this. It was those with conservative minds that violently drove the Mormons from state after state for their heresy. I am not willing to believe that in essence, the inflexible conservative mind has changed, only circumstances have changed. They will not nominate a Mormon for the office of President of The United States.

The result is that conservatives don't know what to say, because they don't know what to think. They can only rail against Obama for so long until surrounding voices, and in some cases their own inner voices say "well, then who?" They are at that point, and they like some of their candidates, have become speechless.

Chris Hedges. To me his writing is evocative of the revolutionary spiriit exhibited by our colonial pamphleteers

http://www.truth-out.org/what-revolution...

"GOP presidential candidate Buddy Roemer: Bloomberg on the wrong side of history"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/11/15/go...

I will look for that ND. It sounds like very interesting reading.

I think the hope for the future is, with out a doubt, the young people of America. I admire the way they are "mad as hell and not going to take it anymore." I fully support them. They are bravely utilizing their Constitutional rights to bring an end to teaparty/capitalist oppression of the Nation.

Also, it looks like the Reagan Era has finally died an overdue death. The effects of Reaganism on the Nation have been horrific, and the ideology a complete and utter failure.

These are indeed signs of hope.

OKR

That was pretty good mate.

Very creative.

The Soviet bear hibernates confined to the Russian Cave, awakening occasionally to crunch bare bones left from aged kills.

John Bull still walks with grand steps, turning often at close boundaries of diminished estate, looking across to neighbor Uncle Sam, reflecting with despair twinged regret, at that companion's decline.

Ah, poor Sam, a white beard grown to disguise callow youth, too soon conformed to general appearance.

They all vaguely perceive rumblings to the east, confused as a giant yellow hand pats the heads of the people of the world, but then they have all been to Afghanistan.

The sun sets in the west bringing darkness, as it rises in the east with a brilliance that blinds some to the appearance of the new day.

Any politician seeking to be elected to national office in 2012 who does not co-opt at least some features of the new progressive movement is a fool. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/13/opinio...

"...a full 61 percent of Republican voters said they were not troubled by the numerous sexual harassment allegations against Cain."

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/11/11/po...

What's wrong with this picture?

What is wrong with Republicans?

Perhaps I would eat it. :)

I misspelled political Upsedaisy. I used kenned as you assumed. I thought it appropriate because it carries a nuance, knowlege beyond what may be expected to be known. I believe that hits Newt Gingrich squarely in this instance. Who would expect him to believe, or at the least, that it was a mistake, to repeal Glass-Steagle.

Good to hear from you.

I am eating pizza, and trying to write at the same time. Sorry for the misspelling. Also I left out his name. Newt Gingrich.

parkuser

Oh about average on the right, wrong, and inbetween mate.

How about you?

Anyway, so, where in my argument am I wrong. Have at it and point out how I am all wrong. I am from Missouri mate, you will have to "Show Me" -- and please, be specific.

Where is my argument incorrect? After all, an argument either can stand on its own merits or it can't.

Show me where my argument is incorrect, mate.

Jo

It is the rich -- the Rothschilds, the Koch Brothers, the Waltons, the Rockerfellers, and a few of their friends who sent those young people to die in that war -- a war started for and fought for to make the rich and only the rich much richer.

When the rich no longer have any further use for us, they care not what becomes of us.

That is why the rich in this country need to be stripped of all their wealth and put on trial for their crimes against the People.

"Poll shows most see deepening wealth gap"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/e...

RR

Haven't heard anything from ya buddy.

I hope all is well mate.

NanaDot

You make some good points there and I have no dispute with any of them.

However, I would like to point out that cities on fire is exactly what we get when we allow the rich to strip the People of all hope for a decent future.

I really do wish the rich and the tyrants that support the rich would go over there to France sometime and count how many rich folks ended their careers on the Guillotine.

The Will of the American People -- the 99%ers -- is unstoppable and they will carry the day in the end.

"We are Radicals"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WU0Rg1gVQ...!

zeke

..and yes I am proud of the team.

Many good Americans play a role in the process of restoring democracy to our Republic, defending the poor, defending human rights, defending long-standing Western concepts of justice for all, euaity, and fair play.

It is both fair and correct, and as Patrick Henry would point out, a patriotic duty, to quickly correct erroneous, conservative propaganda and misinformation and any argument that is designed to encroach upon the rights of mankind.

Yep, I am darned proud of this team of concerned citizens who rally to the cause of truth and right.

In fact, I think one more cheer is in order!

JOB WELL DONE TEAM!!!

zeke

Actually, they had the same definition in 1803 that they did in 2003 and will in 2103.

I am not surprised that you are unable to give an objective definition of these terms. A lot of folks can't. I couldn't define them either until I was in my sophomore year in college.

Fortunately, I took some courses in Political Science and read Charles Dunn's book, "American Democracy Debated"

http://books.google.com.au/books?id=Q7jr...

in which he gives very useful, objective definitions of these words which defines these terms at any point in the history of American diplomacy and is regarded in academia as the universal political definition of these terms as regards the United States history of diplomacy.

"Liberal" defined:

A liberal is one who (1) (Constitutional Approach): Follows the School of Thought referred to as the "Liberal Interpretationist" approach to the Constitution. This School of Thought states that the Constitution is a living document which our Founding Fathers intended to serve as the supreme law of the land for all time. They designed it to be flexible and, with quite some difficulty, changeable.

The Liberal Interpretationist view holds that the Founding Fathers, who wrote a mountain of essays, letters, articles, op-ed pieces, and books in which they discussed their views and what they intended in the Constitution, left these detailed writings so that we can better understand what is meant by the Constitution they wrote. The Liberal Interpretationist believes these records and documents must be considered any time we are interpreting the Constitution.

(2) (Economic Approach): Follows Keynesian Economic Theory which holds that economies are driven by consumption and that consumption is best stimulated through the Federal Spending Multiplier. Keynesian Economic theory further holds that government has a strong role to play in shaping the economy especially since it is the largest employer in the United States and that only the government has the means to sufficiently stimulate the economy. This School of Thought further proposes that economies should operate at a slight deficit in order to guard against the effects of Paradox of Thrift which is likely to occur when a sufficient amount of money is kept in the National Treasury as a surplus. Keynesian Economic Theory views government as having a responsibility to the People to ensure a regulated economy that benefits all the People and has a responsibility to motivate equitable distribution of goods and services in the economy.

Please move to my next comment above for the second part of this comment.

"GOP bill would make Pledge of Allegiance mandatory for Michigan students"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/11/07/go...

Wouldn't it be easier to just have the kids face the flag, thrust their arm out at a 45% upward angle, hand flat with plams towards the floor and then have them shout loud and proud "Sieg Heil?

After all it means the same basic thing.

Personally, I only have allegiance to truth, justice, equality, and the principles of a democratic republic.

The GOP has their fascist thing, and I have my democracy thing. Each to his or her own I guess.

my real complaint centers around folks who are "all the way" conservative or "all the way" liberal - with no variations or in-betweens ... if anything - i guess i am a little of both ... and that is beyond some folk's ability to comprehend ... for them - every thing has to be all black or all white - in every circumstance ... and i don't believe that's how life presents itself ... soooooooo ... i can't and won't make "i'm right and anyone who disagrees with me is wrong" types of statements ... just won't join in that fray ...

i wish you peace ...

just sayin

zeke

wow - you must be so proud of your "team" for pulling off the "Wam - Wam Bam - Drive the Nail Home" tri-fecta ...

anyway - though lenin was probably a genius and stalin was most definitely a monster - it is my humble opinion that ANY TIME a people start thinking they need a king - they end up suffering ... in the Old Tetsmant (I know - you don't believe the bible - but hey - it's just an illustration - OK?) ... in the OT the people demanded a King and God gave them Saul - a giant of a man who stood head and shoulders above everyone else - and he turned out to be a complete failure and practically brought the people down with him when he fell. ... more recently - our nation demanded a king and now we have a man in the white house who can't get anything done in congress and refuses to make peace with them - so he announces he will "start governing(?) by executive order" ... now that's democracy (tongue firmly in cheek) ... gotta love it.

and btw - you may think you have shut the other conservative up --- but maybe he or she decided to stop casting pearls before swine, so to speak, and spend his or her valuable time elsewhere.

note: i am not calling anyone swine - just using another bible reference ...

just sayin'

zeke

"Bill Kristol concedes 2012 presidential race to Democrats"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/11/05/bi...

"It's Not 1980 Anymore," Bill Kristol, "Weekly Standard"

http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/i...

"Romney Economic Plan: Of The 1%, By The 1%, For The 1%"

http://thinkprogress.org/progress-report...

NanaDot

I would agree to a flat tax as long as neither individuals nor corporations can have any deductions.

If you have to pay a tax based on your gross revenues -- then so do the corporations.

That means Gross Revenues -- not Gross Revenues less expenses...lol.

What the cons are trying to do is make you pay a flat tax on your Gross Income while corporations would only pay the flat tax on their net income.

If they want a flat tax, then they have to level the playing field and treat all individuals and corporations the same -- flat tax on Gross Income.

Watch how fast the 1%ers drop that flat tax idea when you explain to them that means paying the tax on their Gross income...lol.

Did anyone see where Herman Cain said he was the Koch Brothers "Brother from another mother"?

Does this guy not see that this is exactly the reason people are protesting?

And we're supposed to vote of this guy?

"Things Congress passed this week that had nothing to do with jobs"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/11/04/th...

rr3 must you always be so scornful, and abrasive? The story is all over the internet, so pick where yo want to read it. Typically, you had no comment on the story itself, instead using it as an opportunity to disparage the Huffington Post.

That is so off point, and lightweight. You are better than that.

Did I strike a chord here?

Just as I expected!!!

And also RR,

It would appear religion has had its share of frauds as well.

"List of religious leaders convicted of crimes"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rel...

How is that "divine inspiration" working out for ya? lol...

Dutch Scientist Diederik Stapel Faked Data

http://www.theworld.org/2011/11/dutch-sc...

I wonder how that factual, testable, measurable, verifiable, repeatable evidence is working out?

Oklahoma Reader

I have added you to my Great American Heroes list...lol.

Good on ya mate!!!!!

In Oakland the cops are using strobe lights that are supposes to make camera's ineffective. Now why in the world would the cops want camera's to be ineffective? Wanna take that one rr3yvo?

It would behove the teaparty (aka Republican Party) and other conservatives who support the rich 1% that those kids you see at OWS are our kids -- our friends kids, our siblings kids, and our grandkids.

We, their parents, relatives, friends, and other supporters of civil rights, peace, economic equality, and democracy have no intention of leaving those kids out there on the OWS front hanging.

The kids may be flat broke -- but we their older relatives and supporters are not broke. A lot of us have rather significant resources, and we intend to finance OWS, collectively.

You teaparty neocons have the Koch Brothers -- OWS kids have the majority support. I bet we win.

I will be posting OWS leadership sites where supporters of OWS can make donations to help keep the kids warm and fed while they continue their protests.

As for my wife and me, we are preparing to make a significant contribution. We think liberty, democracy and our kids are worth it.

The OWS kids are not alone -- they have us.

zeke

Actually the elected Communist Party Secretary was Lenin who many of us still regard as Russia's greatest hero and a great hero of the working-class.

After Lenin's death, Stalin bullied his way into the the position of CPS. He was never chosen by the People or by Lenin.

As to life under Stalin, yeah bad news but not surprising given the long history of cruel tyrants that go back over a 1000 years in Russian history. Certainly the Czar, the previous power in Russian was just as bad as Stalin and every other tyrant in Russian history. No surprises there either.

Its unlikely that such would occur in America. In fact, as President Eisenhower pointed out, the greatest threat to American democracy comes not from the communists or the left wing, but rather the greatest threat comes from the fascist leanings of conservatives in America. Those are the ones he suggested we keep a close eye on.

Whatever comes of the OWS protests, one thing is for sure -- the poor and middle class are through being kicked around by teaparty fascists and their Rich, fat-cat Republican banker pals.

Zeke regarding Russia in the early 1900s do not forget that Russia was corrupt with a despotic government, which enabled the communist takeover.

Have you considered the other lesson in your example? Our current situation is similar. Hence it is urgent that people do not sit on their hands, and grumble about the Tea Party,and/or OWS. The people must make every effort to end the rampant bribery of government officials, the back, and forth employment of government officials by those they regulate, and rein in the greed, and gambling that is endemic in our financial apparatus.

That is our pragmatic choice. Failure to make that choice may result in rue regarding the changes that are going to occur. Change is coming make no mistake about it.

BRAVO NANA! BRAVO! Well said indeed.

BTW, I have worked all of my life starting as a child hoeing beans and detassling corn. I have worked all my life and I am happy to do so. I am, however, sick and tired of being told by the wealthy that I have to sit down and shut up because I haven't "worked hard enough".

It's not about having wealth, it's about how you got it.

That's funny news that of the OWS you would approve of violence, rape, public nudity, trashing public property with no intent to clean it up and antagonizing police to get arrested. I see a double standard here. What if the Tea Party had done any one of those things? That's ok you don't have to answer because I already know what it will be. There may be some good things happening and good people involved in OWS but they are being made to look like a bunch of thugs because of these events. Keep them quotes coming I like being famous.

NanaDot

Great Article mate.

I got to thinking about my youngest son when I read it. He is in the Navy proudly serving our Nation. In fact, he has sacrificed a lot for the honor of serving in the United States Navy. His wife is sacrificing too. She has to live without her husband until he comes home. She has to take care of the children, the home, work, and balance it all without the man she loves so much.

My son says he works 18 hours a day, 7 days a week on that Ship. Its probably more like 12 hour shifts but it probably feels like 18 hours to him. He had a baby last August -- his first son and my first grandson, Tony. My son has not seen Tony yet. He has not held his son yet. He has not yet been able to tell his son that he loves him. And he won't being doing any of those things until that Ship gets back to Seattle.

He loves his Country very much and he gives all he has to his service to our Nation, but if he were back in the civilian World right now, and no longer serving in the Navy, he would be right in the forefront of OWS -- serving our Nation in another way and with just as much dedication.

Thanks NanaDot for reminding us all that this younger generation, the OWS movement, is a hardworking, strongly motivated, and intelligent group of young people dedicated to the principles of peace, equality, and justice and devoted to our traditional democratic values.

Good on OWS and good on you NanaDot.

RR its like Woody told the rich fat-cats and their supporters mate,

Woodie Guthrie - "All You Fascists are Bound to Lose"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s76mkRRGP...

the proper size of government

http://www.whoisjohngalt.com/2009/04/the...

Can it be too big? Some don't think so.

I guess since it is football season then--go long, pass...touchdown.

rr3yvo,

Wow. You really have no idea what this is all about do you? Are you being willfully ignorant or are you just repeating the blahter you hear from your questionable news sources? As with all human injustices you have to follow the money.

It does no good to protest in Washington. We have to protest against those who bought and paid for Washington. You have to follow the money.

You have become a cartoon of yourself but it is no longer funny...it is sad.

Each is your posts is more pathetic and desperate than the last. A true Christian should possess the capacity for empathy. What would Jesus do,rr3yvo? What would Jesus do?

Thanks wtf I am right again.

I guess you guys ought to be proud of Occupy Oakland. Tried to take over a city building, starting fires in the streets and trashing a Whole Foods store. Such nice peaceful protesting you fully support that, RIGHT!!!

I don't know about other folks, but I for one am extremely proud of the younger generation.

They are showing tremendous courage, strength, and fortitude in the midst of the 2nd Great Depression demanding their fair share of the economy, an end to the wars and empire building, and an end to lobbying and capitalists bribing our politicians.

They want action. They mean business. And they won't accept "NO" for an answer.

I am very proud of the younger generation. They inspire hope.

RR

I enjoyed reading the article you posted which makes comparison/contrast analysis as regards President Reagan and Obama.

I agree with the thesis and I think the author presents a well supported argument.

Great article mate.

How's that 'change' working out for ya?

...and a fine good evenin to you ND. :)

News, you have more confidence in the People than i do! When you have gotten Burned like we have in the last 4 Elections, like we have,it's hard to think that most of the people have got it, yet! There a long pause between Elections were more Damage can be done! This Country is already in a collapse mode!I haven't liked some of things Obama has done,but with some of the others we could have been a lot worse off! I'm for another Party, and too **** old too see one come about.I see absolutely Nothing coming from the Republican Party! So i wonder how does it exist as a Political Party ? I'm missing something that the Republicans of this Country are feeling.Unless they are immune too Pain and abuse from maybe a dominate Family that insisted on regimentation for everyone? this is what i get from there Ideology. Sounds like you live in a system that works with not a lot of conflict in Government? Good for you and your Family, I have some jealousy my friend!!!

"GOP Rep: 'Few things more important than re-affirming 'In God We Trust'"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/11/02/go...

The GOP is completely out of touch with the People...and reality.

Let's kick the GOP to the curb in 2012 and get our Government working for the People instead of the crazies.

Congress is doing a wonderful Job! They reaffirmed our motto (in god we trust) and voted to have 2 weeks on & 1 week off for themselves! Sweet deal for everyone but the People! This is absurd ! The People should do something,besides waiting to Vote them out! Like drag them out of the Chamber by their foot, Sorry i forgot, that's Politically Incorrect!But Civil disobediance & fear, seem's to be the only thing they will understand! This Political System is actually silly!!

rr3

he told the woman caught is adultery to "go and sin no more" ... he told the woman at the well many other things - so many that she said to him that she "perceived he was a prophet" (John 4) - but not to "go and sin no more" ... just for clarification ...

just sayin

zeke

That's good to know Nana. There are also many there that are being paid and don't know why they are there. They really want this the gain traction like the Tea Party but I don't think it is happening. Did their parents also teach them that violence was ok during protest and it is ok to trash public property for someone else to clean up and to also be arrested and to trample others civil rights in the process. Oh thats right you don't want to listen to that spin. I am right again.

Nana --ROTFLMAO--

RR, I can't help but admire the strong effort you have made in your life to live the lifestyle you prefer. I have no doubt you fully understand the meaning of the words "hard work." I admire your spirit buddy.

I think the problem is that the American worker has not had a Real Wage increase since prior to 1978 -- that is what the National Statistics show. As a consequence you and many other people have ofter had to work extra hours beyond your normal 40 in order to make ends meet. From 1820 to 1978 the American worker had regular, yearly Real Wage increases -- even in the Great Depression workers received Real Wage increases every year. That is why each generation's lives improved. Each generation received greater and greater Real Wage increases over the years and span of generation. It is the real American dream -- work hard and be rewarded with Real Wage increases. That stopped in 1978 and the income of the top 1% increased dramatically. They became much, much richer as we worked harder, longer, more efficiently, and with no Real Wage increases. All the benefit of our increased productivity -- all of it -- went only to the top 1% -- all of it! That is not fair to someone like you who has worked so hard and for so long RR.

You deserve better than that mate.

Your experience rr3, or mine for that matter, are not relevant to now. My life experience has been similar to yours. As a child I knew what it was to hear my belly growl all day, I overcame...yadda yadda yadda.

Every statistic supports the reality that it is increasingly harder to get ahead. So truthfully neither you, nor I have the first hand experience as to how tough it is to start up now. More, and more are materially making less, and less progress. We are on our way to a return to a society reminiscent of the days of the Robber Barons.

When our perspective arises from "back in the day", and we ignore the present, as well as projections about the future, we have become victims of geezerdom and our voices become meaningless ghosts from the past.

Things have gone well for you, and for me. I think we both want at least the same starting base for our grand children that we had. Unfortunately that is not the case. Do you not see that? There is a reason that people are disgruntled, restive, and more of them, are more so all the time. It is just the beginning of the stirring of the people. Get aboard, or get left behind. Muttering about the past is best left to those in rest homes waiting to die, and or meet their Maker.

I remember back as a child okr I always thought things were unfair. There was always other kids that had more. My parents were poor but we always had food on the table and a roof over our heads and I never heard them complain about anything being unfair. I was unemployed once but I realized it was up to me to find work to get the things I wanted. When I didn't like the job I had it was up to me to find another job that I might like better. When we didn't have enough money to pay all the bills I went out and got a second job to make ends meet. When we had trouble buying groceries I went out to the woods and shot something and drug it home so we could eat. We planted a garden and canned the produce so we wouldn't have to buy it in the store. I'm doing better now but I don't drive new cars and my only debt is my house. My car I drive to work has over 275,000 miles on it and is much cheaper to operate then a new one. I say let the haves have it I have what I need and I can live with that and if I have to I can live on less or get a second job again. Sometimes the only difference between the haves and the have-nots is the size of the payment. I've had payments but I don't want them, and if people would learn to live within our means they would be better off. We live in a society that teaches us when we want something get it now, keep your credit score high and you can borrow your way to prosperity just like our government. But then when something happens it all comes tumbling down and then we think its unfair. In my opinion that is for children.

Personally i could care less what they did 2000 years ago! This is sounding like what the Republicans are wasting time in Congress with this (IN GOD WE TRUST) and NO one is working! I think these fool Politicians has got everyone silly! If there is any change in this Country,you'll have only these People sitting in the cold and Snow too thank,not some imaginary God! Everyone has to get real. I respect your having faith but it has no place in Policy for this Country! Matter of fact i believe the People of Faith is who has started a lot of this,with the People they Vote into Office!(Example)Bush and all the others that has sucked you in with Faith! Just a thought.

Lest we forget...

Woody Guthrie - "Jesus Christ"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVRqdhfFA...

RR,

You took the words right out of my mouth mate, lol.

Mutual respect is what its all about in the end I think.

I will try to post less offensive stuff mate. I did not realize I had offended anyone. I certainly didn't intend to. Sometimes I see things that I simply think are funny, but not necessarily relative in any realistic way to the topic at hand. In other words, I like comedy for comedy's sake and in no way would I post anything I thought might be patently offensive.

Thanks for bringing that to my attention mate and I will consider my audience a bit more carefully the next time I post something I think is funny.

I checked your post rr3 it says: "Well it is becoming quite a joke wtf. If you want to know what Jesus would do maybe you need to read your bible. I personally don't think he would support trashing personal and public property and antagonizing the cops. Maybe you support those kind of things.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Mon, Oct 31, 2011, at 11:44 AM "

So, In regard to OWS what would Jesus do in your opinion? From your post I gathered the limited knowledge that you think he WOULD NOT support trashing personal, and public property. Leaving Jesus, and the money changers aside for the moment, what do YOU think Jesus WOULD have done in regard to OWS?

rr3yvo.

I'll speculate that if Jesus were here he wouldn't like you, Rush Limbaugh or FOX news.

That's my Jesus speculation for the day.

rr3yvo,

So let's assume for a moment there was a Jesus. Are you saying that you speak for him?

I will say one thing, when it comes to the "nonsensical" as you put it, you are certainly in your element.

Hey rr3, with all due respect to you, in regard to OWS, what do you think Jesus would do?

Or, (just to address it from the other side) why would Jesus not with them abide?

You must have an opinion, with which you may retort. I will await with interest, your overdue report.

Thank you news. Even though we disagree most of the time and sometimes go at it I feel we have a mutual respect for each other. Of course I can't speak for you, it is only my opinion. You always offer something of substance in the form of an opinion, idea, theory or fact. You seem to have gotten away from attacking someone on character, sources of information or simply because you disagree. I know old habits are hard to break. I want to thank you for that. Even when you post something I deem offensive I still respect your position even though I don't agree. You are a rare breed among liberals because as we see in politics they are usually mean and nasty and facts doesn't seem to matter if you disagree with them. The media is the worst. Some posters on here seem to always want to be at odds instead of offering any sort of intelligent dialogue. I know when I first started posting on here we would have never had this sort of dialogue. Respect I think develops over time when you decide to accept the differences along with the agreements. Again news I want to thank you and as I think you would say "good on ya mate".

rr3yvo,

So Jesus would support the wealthy? I guess the rich have finally found a way to pass a camel through the eye of a needle. I'll bet they hired a scientist to figure it out.

rr3yvo,

I blindly follow no man,being,book or movement.I follow my heart.

Just how did I assinate your character? I guess I must have used your words against you.

Wtf are following the OWS footsteps?

O. K. rr3 lets hear your interpretation of Jesus, and the money changers. Seems somebody ( we really don't know who, do we?) said he did a bit of trashing himself. ;)

Apparently rr3 doesn't like being refered to as a loyalist.

rr3yvo,

You seem to get a lot of joy from making fun of the 99%. What would Jesus do? I would really like you to answer that question for a change.

I think they got it wrong instead of the 99%ers they are the 0.99%ers.

"Whenever possible go outside the experience of the enemy." -S. Alinsky

http://www.truth-out.org/gandhi-meets-mo...

cheesehead

Not only that, but the Judge stated that the Governor's curfew was invalid because it had not been passed by the State Legislature and that the Governor had no authority to rule by decree.

Its awfully scary to see such occur in a Nation that was once regarded as a bastion of democracy and civil liberty.

It illustrates the greatest threat that is emerging from the Republican Party -- authoritarian rule by a strong-man state governor who has no need for a state legislature and rules by decree. He is a good example of the kind of "leadership" the Republicans would like to see at the national level as well.

Sad but true mate.

Oh one other thing, even legislated curfew of adults violates a whole bunch of our Constitutional amendments and articles -- not the least of which is our right to peacefully assemble and protest which has no time limit. Similar curfews have been struck down as unconstitutional by the High Courts both at the state and national levels -- and there is a mountain of precedent which prohibits such curfews.

The Tennessee Governor should be immediately impeached, convicted, and removed from office as well as be brought up on Federal charges for his flagrant disregard for the rights of the People and his aggressive, violent assault on the right of the people to constitutional democracy in their state.

It looks like we have police riots going on in Nashville and Denver.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45088079/ns/...

Question: What happens when authoritarian city and state governments violate the right of the People to peacefully assemble in protest and then attack the protesters?

Answer: The People fight back!! Cities on fire baby, cities on fire!

This is only the beginning.

Ah Heck, while I am at it...

Dr. Dre - "Forgot About Dre" ft. Eminem, Hittman

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5a93wABH...

N.W.A. - Straight Outta Compton

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JjqTinl-...

rr3yv0

Lol lol lol lol lol, great joke mate. I whole-heartedly agree and laughed my rear off.

They are so jealous of the Tea Party they need for OWS to take off but it seems to be a fizzle. They seem to be getting in trouble and the lame stream media are portraying the cops and government officials as being the bad guys. These people are the ones violating other people's rights but no reporting about that. And the amazing thing is that people that seem pretty smart are believing it.

You need to be looking to where the heart of the problem is--WASHINGTON DC. That's where all this started and of course some took unfair advantage of it but look to the liberal Democrats mostly Dodd and Frank, Fannie and Freddie and its going to be like dominoes they will all fall. That's where the protesters ought to be.

"American Jesus"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaNOqDarn...

Thanks ND. :)

RR

Rush earned the title of drug addict and drug dealer when he chose to engage in the abuse of addictive drugs -- drugs he knew were addictive and which he knew he was using for the "high" -- and when he decided of his own free will to engage in drug trafficking.

That was his doing -- not the messenger's doing.

The corpulent corporates sat down to dine,

on the finest of food, the finest of wine.

Discussed how to fool ignorant masses,

and decided to feed the ignorant arses.

Gave them baloney, and a whole lot of pap,

served by Rush from the plutocrats' lap.

He uses bulb and syringe instead of a spoon,

their faces see no daylight, even at noon.

"They need to quite furnishing diapers for the OWS protesters, give them some big boy pants tell them to go to work."-rr3

"Injured vet spent days at work, nights at protest"

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45071048/ns/...

You think he doesn't wear big boy pants rr3? Shame on you. Read his story then decide if you could fill one leg of his trousers. From what I have seen of you I have my doubts.

They need to quite furnishing diapers for the OWS protesters, give them some big boy pants tell them to go to work. They could at least work to clean up the mess they are making.

It would really be interesting if this was a bunch of Christians protesting abortion. What would the story be then? Would you support them?

He is also a drug dealer and a drug addict Jo. That is all well documented.

Personally, I don't take political advise from drug dealers and drug addicts.

Some people do -- conservatives -- but only their imaginary friend in the sky seems to know why.

RR

Please show me where in our Constitution it states that the right to Freedom of Assembly is prohibited in public places and is subject to time limits.

I bet you can't mate

Because it does not say that at all.

rr3yvo,

How is that someone who calls himself a christian will constantly makes excuses for the most intolerant people in the world?

Smart Dog it seems you are doing the very thing that you are accusing someone else of. When it comes to name calling you're only rebuttal is more name calling. Interesting!

News these protesters are violating public land by trashing it and occupying public areas keeping other people from using it. What about the rights of the citizens that live near where these protesters are violating? You are not getting the whole story news just what Raw Story wants you to have and you believe it.

Hey wtf what would Jesus do with OWS? I would really like to hear your brilliance on this issue.

rr3yvo,

My my my, how very christian of you. What would jesus do, rr3yvo? What would jesus do?

"If Jesus Ran For President..."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJ1L4eeu5...

Oklahoma Reader

Yeah it was quite an experience mate.

Bre (that is what the locals call Brewarrina) is a very unique place on the Earth. It was hard to leave there and go back to Sydney. Bre is a place that really captured my heart. The people there were all so nice and very friendly, and the history of the place is fascinating.

I am going back to Bre in January for 7 or 8 (or if I am lucky, 10) days. There are some things there that I want to look at which are related to a project I am considering. More on that as things develop (lol). I won't be driving this time however. I plan to take the train to Dubbo -- gateway to the NSW Outback, then I will travel by bus coach to Bre -- 6 hours by train then 6 hours by coach. At least I can drink beer and get a meal on the train lol, but the coach trip will be entirely Outback, dusty, hot, dry and very wild. The good news is that I don't have to do the driving this time and I can sit back and watch the scenery and wildlife while I relax on the coach.

"'Anonymous' vows to 'destroy' Fox News website on Nov. 5th"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/10/24/an...

Right on! Right on! Right on!

For those dedicated Fox News sheep, I suggest you get your share of Fox News propaganda before November 5th. They won't be around to lie to you anymore after that.

Hey, aren't there some bloggers on here that think global warming is a hoax? Seems to me I have seen that here on the MDN.

Well, I reckon after the 4th peer reviewed study, this one partially funded by the Koch's and other conservative groups, verifies those done by NASA, the NOAA, and those British fellers that everybody accused of cheating, were correct.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-enviro...

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." -- Benjamin Franklin

Bumper sticker

DON'T STEAL: The government hates competition.

...why are you so scared of OWS?

No one is in charge of OWS.

Heh! Heh! Heh!

Nostalgia & Decline

http://www.redstate.com/erick/2011/10/19...

Interesting!

rr3yvo,

I'll admit to a misspelled word. What will you admit to? Do you have the capacity to think for yourself? I'll wait while you go and and ask someone.

P-L-A-G-I-A-R-I-Z-E..............plagiarize

Obama and Occupy Wall Street Are One

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?i...

Their anger and outrage is directed to everyone but the ones that caused this mess, their fellow leftist.

Bumbling Obama Campaign Tour Hits Virginia As Democrats Run for Cover

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?i...

"Obama's perfectly situated for his campaign. His supporters are turning on him, Wall Street can't stand him and the general public can't wait to get rid of him. Other than that he's doing great."

Captialism is NOT the enemy. We have to consume in order to give others employment. What is the enemy is the buying and selling of our govt and our laws.

the keyboard you are typing on ... the opinion space you are writing in ... the internet you are so used to ... probably the cup you drink coffee from each day ... all made possible by capitalists. ... what can we do? ... we need capitalism to fuel our disposable lifestyles ... it's the way of the world ... i don't agree with it ... but it's the way it is ... we reap the benefits of the corporate world but hate it atthe same time .. remember the old listerine commericals? ... i hate, but i use it. ... that's us.

NanaDot

When neocons (aka teapartiers) say they want "smaller government" what they mean is they want (1) to eliminate all government programs that benefit the poor, (2) less regulation of business, and (3) increased regulations of individuals.

Just so we are clear on what "smaller government" means when a neocon teapartier uses that phrase.

I do not support their idea of smaller government and I doubt you do either.

And to all those teaparty-neocon nut cases attempting to paint the brave young men and women who are demonstrating against the out of control capitalism in the USA as "dirty, smelly, hippies," please bare in mind that for each young person you see there are 1000's of people back home who agree with them...and we don't smell,...and we have money...and we vote.

The teaparty is over.

A new day is dawning and the promising light of a new direction for our Nation can finally be seen.

rr3yvo,

What you just stated is utter nonsense. The whole arguement is not about captialism or taxes per se, both are necessary. The arguement is that the the hyper wealthy have bought OUR govt. lock, stock and barrel. Now they can manipulate the laws with impunity in their favor and the rest of us can eat cake. Do you not see this? Do you refuse to see this?

Fair, Fair, Fair that is what is nonsense Nana. You won't define it because you can't. You want to empower the government to to take what you can't. "Thou shall not covet" one of the ten commandments but you don't believe that because it don't fit your argument. This protest is nonsense but it fits your agenda so you will lift it up. I am right on the money, you are wrong.

"Herman Cain Frustrated That People Are Misinterpreting His 'Nein-Nein-Nein' Economic Plan"

http://www.freewoodpost.com/2011/10/13/h...

cheesehead

Have you noticed he didn't say that the corps would pay 9% on their gross revenues did he? lol. There is a reason why he failed to mention that the corps still get all their deductions and loopholes.

I say if we are going to go with Cain's plan then everyone -- individuals as well as corporations -- all get the same deductions or we eliminate all deductions and tax both corps and individuals at the same rate -- taxed on their gross income -- nothing more, nothing less.

Watch how fast the rich folks back on off of that one lol lol lol...

How you can tell when a liberal is losing the argument.

They attack your morality, for example:

If you are discussing immigration and they disagree you are a 'racist'.

If you are worried about radical Islam then you are 'Islamophobic'.

If you want your kids to get the best education you are an 'elitist'.

If you think marriage requires one man and one woman then you are 'homophobic'.

If you think there are obvious differences between men and women then you are a 'sexist'.

They think their opponent is so evil that their truth is tainted by their depravity. But the liberal thinks that being nice and good and caring that they win.

In a fact based debate the conservative always wins unless the liberal can destroy their character. Because that is all they have, just look at the current presidential campaign are they running on their successes or blaming and attempting to destroy their opponent? You decide.

ND that is an excellent link. Yes that is what Liberals want.

X-ray, rr3, Jason69, and the rest, did you read that? Quit telling Liberals what they want. You don't know unless we tell you.

If you want discussion don't start by telling us what we want, and then arguing against what you say we want. Do you have any idea how absurd that is?

Here is a repeat of the link ND provided in case you didn't read it. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/10/12...

I am telling you that is what we want, and I believe most Liberals would agree with my statement. So, I will be waiting, but not holding my breath until it happens, for you to discuss, even argue against the position stated in the link.

One would think you would be tired of blowing up a plastic dummy with your own hot air, naming it Liberal, and knocking it over. Are you up to really bringing it on?

By the way turn about is fair play. Pick your own conservative comment stating what conservatives want, provide a link, and I will be happy to discuss it, and argue against it if I disagree. I also think others would.

Don't be throwing Rush, or Coulter out there. You may not know it, but they are at the bottom of the conservate barrel, and there are other much better spoke persons for conservatism.

One caveat. I expect an answer to the above challenge before I will honor yours.

mrxray

It would have saved a lot of lives if we had created a Palestinian State a long time ago.

They Arabs hate us because the last thing the Palestinian sees just before the Israeli tank crushes his house so the Israelis can steal his property and build a Jewish-only settlement out of it, is "Made in America."

If you want to solve the problem of terrorism then do what the Brits did with the Irish mate -- negotiate an equitable settlement that respects everyone's civil rights.

Otherwise, get used to terrorists I guess.

what the f... in no respect can you attribute wars to conservative or liberal ideals...

Here is a curious question for you... since you seem to be all knowing and all against war of any nature.... we are at war with terror and terrorist that is a fact. We were attacked by them many times. Since YOU have no clue about what the President of the United States if actually briefed about (not saying I do either) exactly what would you have done differently... I know being an arm chair Quarterback with 20/20 vison after the fact, you MUST know everything, so please tell us how YOU would prevent more terrorist acts against the US...

Oh sorry, I meant cheesehead...not ND

That was hilarious mate.

Obama's approval rating soars after slugging banker in the face.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/10/12/pa...

WTF,

Clearly he is talking about conservative values.

I am listing the values we have seen in conservative action below for clarity.

CONSERVATIVE FAMILY VALUES:

1.) Imperialism is good, Democracy bad.

2.) Torture is a humanitarian act.

3.) Breaking American law is allowed as long as its a conservative breaking the law.

4.) Lying is a good thing if it advances the conservative causes -- like war.

5.) Warrantless spying on American citizens is fine despite the fact that its unconstititutional and against the law (see conservative value number 3 for more on this).

6.) Adultery is the right thing to do, as long as its a conservative committing the adultery.

7.) Gay marriage is always wrong but it is perfectly acceptable for closeted, conservative gay politicians to wait in airport restrooms and make sexual advances to all who enter -- including police officers.

8.) Demonstrations by anyone NOT a conservative should be made illegal.

9.) Voter Fraud (IE, Ann Coulter) is perfectly acceptable as long as the politician being voted for multiple times by a voter is a conservative.

10.) Stealing is perfectly acceptable as long as the thief is a conservative politician or a rich conservative.

Well the list just goes on and on mate.

x-ray,

I guess that, or a liberaterian. Not really what I meant to do though.

Think Cain has a chance? Looks to me like the GOP is putting all their money on Romney.

Well wtf what would you do?

Hey, rr3 and xray,

I would be interested in hearing your opinions on Herman Cain. Not trying to make any statements or stir up anything here.

I would sincerely like to hear from the blogs resident conservatives about him.

I thought the 'flat tax' concepts of Steve Forbes had some credibility back when I also thought republicans had somethng to contribute to government back in the last century.

I'm curious how the libertarian and ultra-right see Cain, and his views, today.

There is a bizarre dissonance when one quotes the Bible in one breath, and Ann Coulter in the next. Wow rr3!

News, Dan Coulter, LOL (not that their is anything wrong with transsexuals). I have heard that they are outraged that some assign Coulter to their community. I guess the only ones who wanted a part of Ann Coulter were his re-assignment surgeon, and the worst portion of the knuckle dragging right.

(rewritten and reposted before Eric makes my comment nevernet history)

Oh sorry, lol,

RR my last comment was designed for you my friend -- to lend guidance in these trying times.

rr3 who you for as President in 2012? Why?

You know I am torn whether to go to work as a protester or sit at home and collect unemployment what would you do?

His gun was loaded, and so was he,

driving the highway proud, and free.

He wants the same rights for you, and me.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44878611/ns/...

"Economist blasts GOP's 'seven biggest economic lies'"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/10/12/ec...

When you are sick you go to an doctor.

When you are being sued you go to an attorney.

When you need to get your financial business in order, you see your accountant.

But in American instead of consulting the professionals on the economy, aka Economists, Americans rely on the teaparty non-experts.

What is wrong with this picture?

I have yet to see this blog's contributing conservatives mention a candidate that they support in regard to the 2012 presidential election. Occasionally they do state, though with little emphasis, that yes, the Republicans also failed us before going back to pounding Obama, and liberal congress.

It is almost as if after their Obama/liberal inspired diatribes they are exhausted, and don't have strength, or will to say any thing else.

So, how about it, who do you believe is the best choice to lead our nation as we go forward, at least in time, if not otherwise?

Greed & Hippies Properly Understood

http://www.redstate.com/erick/2011/10/12...

What's amazing is that seemingly intelligent people are buying into this big sham. It's going to get worse though because it is in Obama's campaign play book to distract from his failures to be reelected. I guess if you think this is all legit then keep voting Democrat.

News it's not my land, and it's not Woody's land, any more.

When the last century was new, as was Oklahoma, it was the most progressive/populist state in the nation. The state constitution those folks came up with is still a thorn in the side of revisionists, even after eighty years of their often successful attacks on it.

Oh hey look!

Its a documentary about the French Revolution!

"The French Revolution" 1/9

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EvakM9Wa...

I sure hope the 1%ers are a watchin'.

Its time to start drawing lines folks.

Either your with us (the 99%ers) or you're against us.

There is no middle.

Time to make important, potentially life-changing decisions.

OKR,

How sad that the State that gave us Woody Guthrie seems to be one of the most oppressive States in the Union.

In that case mate, yeah, least of 2 evils.

X you said, "Freedom, American Freedom, is the ability to make individual choices and then suffer the rewards or consequences of said choices... what you are saying is that the government, a body made up of a corrupted process, campaign donations for legislation bribery, and fraud, waste and a political class that considers their selves better than us common folks, is somehow a better mechanism to make choices for us. You proclaim that the political process is broke YET you want those same politicians to make all of our choices for us, pick business and industry winners and losers, tell people how much money is too much money to obtain and then tax them to death."

That is not at all what ND was saying. You are good at putting words in other's mouths.

None of us on the left are saying that we want the sorry politicians (essentially corporate shills) who now are in the majority to make our choices for us, in fact there is little difference between them, and the corporate greedaholics. We don't want either of those groups running things. That is unlike you who has chosen rotten corporates, over rotten congress. Why is it that you can not recognize that they are but two sides of the same coin?

Greed must be controlled. It is preposterous to believe that the greedy should control themselves which is what you advocate. It is equally preposterous to believe that those that the greedy buy elections for will control greed. That is what you falsely accuse the left of doing.

Get this, and please address your future comments to what we believe if you value credibility. We want a REFORMED GOVERNMENT, elected by, and in tune with the needs of all human citizens. We want to pay for elections with our tax dollars. We want each viable candidate to have an equal voice when seeking office. We do not want corporations, nor unions for that matter, paying for campaigns.

Get real, or get laughed at.

Why would a wealthy guy back a cause that rallies against the wealthy?

conservative free markets DO work... news... the problem is that we have liberal progressive politicos corrupting the process with restrictive rules and regulations that prevents the free market from eliminating the bad business models and where the corrupted politicians pick and choose who the winners and the losers are, where they bailout bad businesses at the expense of the tax payers who fund the bailouts and the mom and pop investors who were simply trying to provide for their own retirement. free market is not a failed system, OUR political system where we totally function based on who gives career politicians money to bribe into existence laws and rules that favor them. This is exactly why a big and growing government is HARMFUL. this is what happens when we allow the two party establishment political process to have career political people that rule from upon Mount D.C. When our society has a section of progressive liberals who attempt to get rid of every single aspect of religion and prevent the encouragement of good morals and ethics and rewards those in political positions when they do bad things by not self policing, then of course the free market will not function... G. Washington and other stated we had to have people of high morals, even men of religious virtues, or this great experiment of the Republic of the United States would FAIL. And because this political corruption, NOT capitalism or free market failure, has been going on for so long the citizens are frustrated, apathetic and have given up hope that anything will change and therefore they become easily swayed by things like the concept of taking from the rich to support a progressive addiction to spending or the concept that the rich are evil simply because they are rich.

OKR.... do we sit and wait for a jury to decide if an enemy combatant deserves to die for shooting at our soldiers? Terrorism and those behind it are no different than any other enemy military combatant, except they hide behind civilians and school buildings and a religion

News no write in vote is legal, we have the most restrictive ballot access law in the nation requring a greater percentage of voters sign an access petition than any other state.

Yes, I have done all the things you mention. As it stands now I will be partially disenfrachised in 2012, as I may only choose between the two tawdry parties' candidates.

There is a ray of hope as there is a ballot access bill working it's way through the legislature. We'll see.

Oklahoma Reader

Have you considered all the options?

Do you know all the options available in Oklahoma?

Have you contacted the Green Party to see what they are doing in terms of organizing candidacies in Oklahoma?

Is there a write in option on the ballot, if not, why not?

Are there other like-minded folks in Oklahoma who would be willing to work to make the changes necessary for a democratic election process in your State?

Do democracy and the future of Oklahoma and the United States of America matter?

Have we all just given up out of frustration?

I think those kids in the OWS Movement sure haven't given up. I don't think they are willing to accept the demise of democracy in America, and I don't think they intend to give up. They should be an inspiration for us boomers.

And never forget mate, we boomers have changed the World before. The Civil Rights movement, the ending of the Vietnam War. Its down right amazing what we boomers can do when we set our minds to it.

We CAN do this mate! Together and standing united , we boomers can win this struggle to save our great Nation!

"If I Had A Hammer"

Pete Seeger

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSWQfCkdu...

"The case for a third party candidate"

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/101...

Don't let the Democrats and Republicans con you folks, we do have options. Its up to each of us to decide the question, do we accept lower and lower living standards till we are living in shacks and using outhouses, or do we do something to stop the decline of our Nation?

Please, do something to change it! Vote 3rd Party!

Green Party USA

http://www.gp.org/index.php

Ya know watching as events unfold in America, I cannot wonder just how bad things have to get for the average Joe and Jane in America before they realize that conservative, free-market economies don't work?

I mean, if I was living in America, I would be very concerned at the loss of living standards.

Well I will keep watching. This should be interesting. Its like watching someone who keeps dropping a rock on his foot and complaining that he can't figure out why his foot hurts so much. I keep wondering when he will figure out that dropping a rock on his foot is not going to make it feel better lol lol lol.

One of the days Americans might wake up...when they get hungry enough.

And really, its so simple.

Conservative, free-market capitalism doesn't work -- yet you keep electing conservatives.

Lol lol lol lol...so, how is that free-market capitalism working out for you?

rr3yv0

Our Nation should lead by example mate. A good step in that direction would be re-establishing democracy and the rule of law in the USA.

However, I read the entire Romney speech word for word and what he appears to be calling for is American economic and military domination of the World. Such imperialism is in direct conflict with our traditional American values and is something our Founding Fathers would have associated with the pro-British, pro-King George American Colonists -- or "loyalists" as they were known then.

Romney is right about one thing though...he certainly is not the person I want in Government in any form or manner. I am an American who respects our cherished national tradition of democracy and freedom, our Founding Fathers and the other brave Americans who fought to establish the World's greatest democracy, fought for our freedom, and fought against imperialism -- imperialism that Mr. Romney says he favors.

Herman Cain Endures Lecture on Blackness from MSNBC White Guy

http://conservativebyte.com/2011/10/herm...

"This is the kind of thing that makes me think we are never going to overcome this divide because of the left. Now, they claim that they are the ones who are colorblind, they are the ones who are open-minded and tolerant, when in fact they are the biggest bigots among all of us."

"Editor admits to 'infiltrating' D.C. protest to undermine 'Occupy' movement"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/10/09/ed...

Lol...the teaparty neocons will stop at nothing to achieve their hidden corporatist agenda. Even violating every journalistic ethic is fine with them as long as they can achieve their hidden corporatist agenda.

...that should have read rooting for our "team".

Oh, and we should rescend the supreme court decision to grant coporations the same rights as citizens which to me is one of the most recent and most glaring infractions.

So wtf how do you propose changing that? Without money?

Obama is a murderer -- pure and simple.

Now what are we, the American People going to do about it?

If we do nothing, then we can kiss our democracy and everything we ever fought for goodbye.

"US soldiers accused of raping teens in South Korea"

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44826697/ns/...

Oh hey that must be some of that American Exceptional-ism.

Its looking like the OWS movement is going to be a major political force in the coming election.

I fully support OWS and their goals.

Its time to sweep the crazy teaparty-neocons out of office!!

We the People won't allow them to ever again hold our nation hostage to their demands!!

On a happier note... George Soros' conviction of insider trading was upheld by the European Court

Back to the occupy wall street FAKE protests... every one of those protestors participate in the very capitalist process in which they are protesting... ironic.... BUT more to the point, I could post a whole bunch of videos where people are being interviewed and they cannot answer in depth questions about why they are there... videos from most every city in which there are protests... and thank god we have the unions and michael moore to come in and financially support these people who are obviously not thinking for their selves... and if you read the signs... they are printed by socialist and communist groups... that is sadly ironically funny

On a different topic... China and the Green industry... China and its economy behaves just like you all complain about Walmart... they utilize intentionally cheap labor to undercut the US And European businesses then when they have the greatest market share, or even before, they make cheap, poorly made, sometimes posionous products. Their green industry is no different. BUT in this case they are not utilizing their own green energy but instead are building more and more coal plants to generate electricity.

When we push the artificial market of "green" energy, we are ONLY helping build up the economy of China, much like we do with every artificial financial stimulus plan when we borrow money from other nations such as china... all while we take tax payer money from tax payers and send back to those very same nations for different types of aide or social programs....... you know, the same nations we are borrowing money from .

http://www.worldwatch.org/node/5650

Here is the problem with blaming the "Wall street guys"... aka "Those evil rich white guys" SOLELY for the economic crash is that they ONLY played a game within the boundaries of the rules that were created by politicians. When you try to force some sort of social justice and that attempt goes against the forces of capitalism, then the social justice effort will fail because it relies solely on taking away productive money from the economy and from tax payers to pay for a program doomed to failure. The REAL agenda that forced this false economic boom was a social justice program attempting to force banks to lend money to low income, risky people on an idealistic concept that people somehow have a RIGHT to own a home regardless of their financial abilities or risks. THEN when local banks refused to make the loans ACORN and others boycotted and protested banks and the Fed raised the interest rates on banks refusing... so local banks were FORCED, COERCED into making risky loans to risky people so the snow ball started where they sold off risky loans and then farther down the mountain lots of these loans were bundled, traded and invested upon.... THANK YOU FRANKS, DODD, and other even way back to Carter with the Community Reinvestment Act and Clinton and the liberal progressive socialist agenda where they want to spread the wealth, redistribute the wealth of those who EARN their way in life and give it to those who dont.

I have to agree with Mr Cain..... if you are not rich BLAME YOURSELF.... that includes me. lol

Here is a list of "demands" from the "occupy wallstreet" astroturf.... sounds exactly like the communist manifesto

Then there is the list of "demands" made by the Occupy Wall Street Movement:

*Restoration of the living wage.

*Institute a universal single payer healthcare system.

*Guaranteed living wage income regardless of employment.

*Free college education.

*Begin a fast track process to bring the fossil fuel economy to an end.

*One trillion dollars in infrastructure spending, now.

*One trillion dollars in ecological restoration.

*The decommissioning of all of America's nuclear power plants.

*Racial and gender equal rights amendments.

*Open borders migration.

*Bring American elections up to international standards.

*Immediate across the board debt forgiveness for all.

*Outlaw all credit reporting agencies.

*Allow all workers access to unionization and collective bargaining at any time.

rr3yv0

We know exactly what the Occupy Wall Street movement wants.

They want the 1-2-3 plan.

1.) They want the rich to pay a fairer share of the tax revenues.

2.) They want increased and enhanced Federal regulation of the banks and other lending institutions to prevent the rich from crashing our economy and stealing our 401Ks again.

3.) They want the Federal Government to take a Keynesian approach to the economy -- direct hiring of the unemployed to rebuild our crumbling infrastructure and to build an entirely new energy system in America based on green technology.

Now I hope you won't try to tell us you don't know why they are there. Their leaders speak for them -- not fox news -- and that is what their leaders say they want. If you try to say you don't know why they are there or that they don't know why they are there...well...at that point I think you are just playing possum mate.

Say, rr3, why don't you report back to us on why they are there after you review all those posts from Nanadot.

I think your foxnewsylike, gop-lemming denial that there is anything of substance there is quite funny.

But, hey, you may be right. It's just a bunch of hispanics paid to be there by ...... wait ..... who? ....... Obama? Nancy Pelosi?

Man, ultra-neo-cons are hillarious.

Let me give you a clue. This is what a populist movement looks like. It's not Sara Palin in her "I wannabe a millionaire" bus.

Let's see.

Folks want to impeach Obama.

Many folks wanted to impeach Bush II.

Before that, we impeached Clinton for getting a little on the side but we couldn't get him out of office.

Heck, fellers, let's just start impeachement proceedings as soon as whoever we elect gets sworn in.

That's about 20 years of "we hate the president" sentiment in America, wouldn't you say?

The common theme here seems to be the desire to hate and place blame on whoever wins the spot. Mostly I think this is the work of the two parties busily slinging mud at the incumbent in order to win next time.

A novel approach might be to get the two sides to work together on compromise solutions to our problems as opposed to the "winner take all" mentality we now have. "I'm right and you're wrong" is not a logical basis for decision making.

I believe that the premise we were founded on was one of civil debate, negotiation, and compromise to reach solutions supported by a majority of Americans.

What a concept, eh? We seem stuck on boneheaded obstanance and a refusal to accept anything but our own ideology. Instead of looking for solutions and common ground, our politicians on each side are stuck on getting their way at the expense of others.

rr3yv0

I don't think Obama cares one bit what the Constitution has to say.

The guy is one of the worst Presidents this American can remember followed by Bush at a close 2nd.

Between the 2 of them, the days of democracy are over in the USA unless the People stand up to the Obama dictatorship right now, regardless of party affiliation.

I don't think I am the sucker here news most of the American people have been suckers for years and the liberals want more of them. I think they are getting what they want.

"Secret panel can put Americans on 'kill list' without any oversight"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/10/06/se...

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/0...

http://news.yahoo.com/secret-panel-put-a...

When the President can, on a whim and without notice, deny any American he wants his Constitutional right to a fair trial and order that American executed by the Army, do you really think you live in a free country?

If so, please 'splain to me how you can be free when the President can take your freedom and all your Constitutional rights from you anytime he wants and doesn't even have to explain it to anyone. How is the President having absolute powers of life and death of every American citizen, without any regard for the Constitution or our laws, the same thing as freedom?

There is definitely something wrong with America!

rr3yv0

Yeah so said fox news RR -- consider the source.

If they want to know why the protesters are protesting it would make a lot more sense to talk to the real protesters -- not the teenager that came along for the ride.

The protesters want the "1 2 3 " deal as I outlined below.

RR doesn't it aggravate you when fox news misleads you into believing their nonsense mate?

'Cause that is exactly what they did when they told you the protesters don't know what they want -- and fox news knew better when they told you that, by the way. Don't be a fox news sucker mate.

The protesters want 1-2-3.

That is what they want.

Read my comment below to see the 3 things they want. Then you don't have to be fox news' convenient fool.

What i've been saying ever since i've been on this blog is finely coming true. All this nice talk everyone has been putting out hasn't made a dent in the troubles this Country has been facing.Maybe we have awaken the beast of Protest.I hope so! Now if the Bible Belt wakes up and joins in, and a few other Places we can shake Washington up,and a few of the Lying fools wondering around in that big Building in Washington. It all comes down to big big changes in the way the System is changed. And i mean big changes to every Branch.I think a lot of People will be hurt and even Killed but a change like that has to happen or we are going to fall like the Roman Empire,along with everyone else! If that's what has to happen to see change, RIGHT ON! I would like to see Integrity reintroduced in this Country again ,before i die! Hang on News Across it's happening everywhere! A big shout out to all young and Old Protesters,you may be Americas Heroes!

Most of the Wall Street protesters they talk to don't know why they are protesting. They are just there because hey it's a party.

Oh and remember folks,

Neocon/teaparty folks are a small minority.

We the People can do anything we want to do and, if we stand strong and united, there is nothing the neocon-teaparty can do to stop us.

JUST SAY NO! TO TEAPARTY CONSERVATISM!!!

rr3yv0

Neocon/teaparty blogs by bloggers who know nothing of economics do not adequately answer the question of why America is not creating enough jobs to end the economic depression.

I have told you many times before why not enough jobs are being created -- consumption has been dropping like a rock and has never recovered sufficiently to result in a substantially increased need for labor.

To do that we need to bring back the CCC and the WPA on a large scale.

But the rich folks may not like that! Rich folks love a good economic depression because they become much wealthier and they don't have to invest/risk a single penny to do it.

Remember, the rich do not create jobs. Only increased demand can create jobs.

rr3yvo,

There is a very clear distinction between success and rape.

Oops wrong link try this one.

http://www.redstate.com/erick/2011/10/05...

http://cartoonblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2...

Barack Obama is No Underdog. He's a Political Loser

http://www.redstate.com/erick/2011/10/04...

zeke

Defending Fox? lol...

in fact - the fox news web site has a fairly substantial article RIGHT NOW concerning the demonstrations, police brutality, the camps, the different cities where demonstrations are taking place, etc.

maybe folks should check things out a bit better before making uneducated comments.

just sayin'

MSNBC reports about 700 arrested. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44742659/ns/...

"400 'Occupy Wall Street' protesters arrested"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/10/01/40...

I haven't seen a single mention of it in the Mainstream conservative media.

Gee do you think maybe they don't want to talk about it?

lol

The tendency of the press is to ignore news anymore.

The subdued, docile American press does not care about telling us the news.

They are owned by the same folks who own Wall Street.

...and the American public goes on as if nothing is happening while the empire collapses around them...lol.