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Speak Out October 1 to December 31, 2011

Saturday, October 1, 2011

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Happy New Year everyone. Stay safe, and don't get fracked this evening. It is not smart to frack yourself, i. e. "force chemical laden liquids into a small opening to make it larger". The last thing any of us need is a bigger mouth accompanying a spaced brain. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Dec 31, 2011, at 6:54 PM

With the current state of the farm economy, you can bet that any acres that have the potential to produce crops are gonna be put into production.

-- Posted by outsider on Sat, Dec 31, 2011, at 5:44 PM

My mom has said for years, if you want to know what is going to happen with farm prices and such watch Iowa and Illinois.

-- Posted by meagain on Sat, Dec 31, 2011, at 5:32 PM

Thanks RD, I had suspected that as Iowa goes, so goes Saline County, Missouri. There are many similarities between the two entities, even to the point that in each entity the richer soils are in the northern portion, and poorer in the southern. That raises the following question; are the changes equivalent county wide, or are they greater in the northern part of the county, where that extra scrap of land will bring more dollars when returned to production? Another question, are grazing acres being rapidly converted to cash crop production?

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Dec 31, 2011, at 2:34 PM

That article from Iowa pretty much reflects what I see in Missouri. I am out and about on the blacktops in the counties surrounding Saline County almost daily. I am seeing a lot of land cleared of brush and timber. I had one knowledgeable person tell me it takes three years of crops to pay for the clearing, then it is profitable. I don't like it, but it is their land, not mine. The bottom line with everything is the dollar.

What bugs me in my travels is farmers planting on highway right of way. Go down the road and see how many "swerve" between utility poles toward the highway to get in a little extra planting. Ditch to ditch planting is the common way now and it seems to matter not, to the state or the farmer, that some of the crops are raised on the right of way.

-- Posted by red dog on Sat, Dec 31, 2011, at 1:50 PM

The following link is to a NYT article on recent changes in farming practices, with the focus on Iowa. If some of you in the know regarding Saline County farming practices (Marcia?) happen to read it I would appreciate your opinion as to whether, or not there are similar local changes.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45833101/ns/...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Dec 31, 2011, at 1:28 PM

The war on drugs will never be won bc American's have an appetite for it. We need to shift to rehab and highly regulate and tax marijuana. The other drugs crac meth... should still be outlawed. But with first time offence offered rehab.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Sat, Dec 31, 2011, at 9:16 AM

Bob,

If it were 93 grams then a felony charge would make more sense. That being said,this ridiculous,counter productive,expensive and big pharma driven hysteria about pot has got to stop.Period. We have so many other issues we need to deal with.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Sat, Dec 31, 2011, at 6:46 AM

KMMO says that a total of 93 grams was found. Which, according to Google, is quite a bit more than one joint. Maybe there is more to the story....

-- Posted by GrahamBob on Fri, Dec 30, 2011, at 11:14 PM

Calm down? A felony charge for a joint? No, I won't calm down.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, Dec 30, 2011, at 10:14 PM

Let's calm down, folks. Seven years is the MAXIMUM penalty. He could be sentenced to a year in the county jail and pay a $5K fine, or just get probation. And according to casenet, he's already posted a $7500 bond.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Fri, Dec 30, 2011, at 9:03 PM

OK Reader,

They never poured our beer out as I can remember it. They only "confiscated" it. We thought supplying the officer with free beer was a fair trade for not giving us a police record. Now days they call out a S.W.A.T. team.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, Dec 30, 2011, at 5:15 PM

Back fifty years ago Marshall Police used to catch us with beer, we were under aged. They would pour it out in front of us, laughing at us all the while. Maybe that tradition needs to come back in regard to miniscule amounts of marijuana.

All of this on the tax payers dollar is ridiculous.

No doubt this case is going to be plead down, but if the kid refuses a plea bargain thousands of dollars will be wasted that could have been used to combat meth, and oxycontin, the real nightmare drugs. All this over one little marijuana cigarette? Whatever happened to rational priorities? Good grief!

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Dec 30, 2011, at 5:03 PM

hunterfisher,

I couldn't agree more. The man could have had a truckload of whiskey and it wouldn't have been a problem.

Also, can anyone tell me since when is ONE joint a FELONY? I guess this is one of those ridiculous loopholes that say a "joint" is considered "Packaged for Sale? hence the felony charge?

This hysteria has got to stop! How much will this idiocy of the "justice" system cost the taxpayer?

If he was driving under the influence then fine, let's deal with that, but let's not ruin this kids life for a joint while the real criminals run the banks and the government! STOP THE MADNESS!

-- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, Dec 30, 2011, at 4:41 PM

"marshall drug dog assists as ohio man arrested for drug possession"

all of that manpower, paperwork, court time, and money for one joint?! great use of resources by everyone involved. way to fight that hard, violent crime guys.

-- Posted by hunterfisher on Fri, Dec 30, 2011, at 3:55 PM

mofireman, not hazing, but odd, weird, borderline cruel and uncalled for type of discipline. there are much better ways to handle the situation than that in my opinion by men who are educators, teachers and coaches.

-- Posted by hunterfisher on Fri, Dec 30, 2011, at 3:37 PM

Let me know if this is hazing. You lose a wrestling match, your late for practice and the coach puts you into the middle of the mat the whole team surrounds you and the whole team "wrestles" you. is this hazing or not?

-- Posted by mofireman on Fri, Dec 30, 2011, at 3:29 PM

Red Dog, that's an interesting observation about the effect on washcloths and other similar items. I do recall the same, now that you bring it up, and even after they've been hung up properly.

I'm not convinced that the benefit of mass application is significant. I'd agree that getting the treatment at the dentist's office is probably more beneficial, but it's a political issue, wouldn't you agree?

Wheresthelove, I go along with your remarks about the bottled water. I'm a user of it, and, like you, I haven't noticed on any packaging a reference to the source of the contents. I never paid much attention to bottled water until I began "imbibin" from the Ozarka bottle in the cafeteria at the place where I worked, but even then it was more a novelty to me (mid-1980s).

Here in San Antonio, the city treats our potable water (which is drawn from an aquifer) with chlorine. THAT makes for good coffee, too!

CHEERS! clink! gulp!

-- Posted by Slater on Fri, Dec 30, 2011, at 1:11 PM

Slater, you are right about the fluoride. It certainly changed the taste. I noticed then that washcloths and whatever "soured" out after one use. The medical benefits, at least to me, outweighed the bad taste. That was then. This is now and I now wonder if the kids were better off getting fluoride treatments at the dentist. Anyway, the bleach smell and bad tasting water we have today, while free of the bad little bugs, is disgusting.

-- Posted by red dog on Fri, Dec 30, 2011, at 11:46 AM

At least with tap water you can find out what it contains vs. bottled. Waters have so much naturally occurring Fluoride, without testing it you have no idea how much is in it. It's very possible the bottled, depending where it was "bottled", could have more! Could.....but the source of the water is so vague.

-- Posted by wheresthelove on Fri, Dec 30, 2011, at 10:09 AM

I've thought for the past few months that it has smelled like bleach when it comes from the faucet. Can't taste it but it sure smells like it.

-- Posted by FFAmom on Fri, Dec 30, 2011, at 9:22 AM

1OF...

I thought the water in Marshall was pretty good up until sometime in the 90s when the city began adding fluoride. That sure ruined the taste of coffee for me.

-- Posted by Slater on Fri, Dec 30, 2011, at 9:04 AM

Not trying to "hit a hornet's nest with a stick" but has anyone else noticed the water in Marshall tasting different? Maybe I've just drank too much bottled water lately. I used to think Marshall had really good tasting water. Or is it just my taste buds?

-- Posted by 1OFTHEGALS on Thu, Dec 29, 2011, at 8:48 PM

Yes Slater,

It was quite a drubbing. Not sure who had the most egg on face. The Heels or poor Truman who broke the trophy earlier in the day. Wonder if he/she was drummed out of the tiger costume?

I tried some ribbon candy from A Southern Season--perhaps, it is the humid south but it seemed thicker and chewier than I recall. Very carefully packaged to preserve the shape. Definitely, must keep testing:) Health and happiness in balance!!

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Mon, Dec 26, 2011, at 9:32 PM

Well, Upsedaisy

So far it looks as if MU will have its way with the Tar Heels.

I told my wife and our neighbor what you said about your plan to begin eating whatever you want, starting in 12 years, and they cheered. :)

I didn't locate any ribbon candy. I sent an inquiry to the Primrose Candy Co. of Chicago at their invitation to request information about local sources here for their products, but I never got a response. I'll have another go at it next year.

Happy New Year!

-- Posted by Slater on Mon, Dec 26, 2011, at 5:46 PM

Scarpetta, Everything is one day off. I see the banks are closed today also, and there is no answer at the post office so I guess they are closed and expect them to be next Monday.

-- Posted by momaster on Mon, Dec 26, 2011, at 10:34 AM

Do we know the trash collection schedule for the next 2 weeks?

-- Posted by Scarpetta on Mon, Dec 26, 2011, at 10:06 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Pickup is pushed back 1 day each week.

You too M & G!

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Dec 25, 2011, at 2:17 PM

M. F. back at you News.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Dec 25, 2011, at 1:05 PM

Happy Christmas back at you Jo.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Dec 25, 2011, at 1:03 PM

Merry Christmas Everyone!

-- Posted by momandgramma on Sun, Dec 25, 2011, at 12:28 PM

Happy xmas everyone!

-- Posted by Jo on Sat, Dec 24, 2011, at 7:23 PM

Merry Festivus Everyone!!

"The Story of Festivus"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pla...!

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Dec 24, 2011, at 4:33 PM

Philemon

I really didn't care mate.

It was a "gotcha" with xray mate. I could not careless about the 2% or Casey's.

As to how we do things in Australia, yes we do things very differently here. That is why our economy never crashed and is partially responsible for our booming economy (World's number 1 economy). We regulate our banks heavily. That is why we did not have to bail them out when America and Europe hit the skids. In addition, unlike America, we have a lot of social programs that fight poverty -- such as socialized medicine, a $14,000.00 first-time buyers program to help young folks purchase that first home, and in Australia no one goes without a safety net. In America unemployment benefits may end, but in Australia everyone who is unemployed receives a minimum of $300.00 a week until they are employed again. It has no stop date. So yeah, we do things a lot differently than you do in America and that is why things are so darned good here.

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Dec 24, 2011, at 3:55 PM

OKR,

Thanks for the post but I'm not sure if I should be flattered or creeped out! Lol....

-- Posted by What the f...... on Sat, Dec 24, 2011, at 9:40 AM

Speak Out Persistence Awards: For those who have consistently posted the longest.

WTF (first posted) 11-09-07

K77 11-16-07

OKR 11-20-07

SC 12-21-07

Jo 01-07-08

ND 02-21-08

Some others may have been long time consistent posters, but changed names at some point. For instance Cheese posted 03-25-08, is that the same person as CheeseHead, further has CheeseHead morphed to CheeseMate?

KF, and Eric were early posters, but both were employees of the paper at the time.

Filed under: Who cares?

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Dec 24, 2011, at 1:55 AM

News,

Just in case they do things differently in Australia, you should realize that a customer using a debit or credit card would actually cost Casey's at least 2% of the purchase in fees to the card company, sometimes more. Isn't it better for this to stay local?

-- Posted by Philemon on Fri, Dec 23, 2011, at 7:22 AM

I would like to point out that Casey's is most certainly not a local merchant. The publicly traded company is based in Iowa and has over 1,600 locations!

-- Posted by Owl12345 on Fri, Dec 23, 2011, at 2:54 AM

Well xray...there you go again...

I feel sorry for the owner of Casey's. After all, why should he get beat out of 2%?

2% may not sound like much when you are only buying 50 bucks in gas but what kind of effect would it have when it amounts to 2% of his annual, gross gas revenues. 2% of a million bucks would be $20,000.00. Thats a lot of money to ask a local, small businessman to have to give up. Its money he needs to run his business with.

These are hard times in America xray. The local small business men and women need help more than any other business grouping in this harsh economy, and small businesses are vital to the local community in so many ways.

Programs, such as the one you mentioned as being sponsored by the local Chamber of Commerce, may be based on good intentions but when they cost a local businessman money then those programs are of little use to anyone in the long-run, other than the lucky customer who saved a big whopping 2%.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Dec 23, 2011, at 1:05 AM

Eric recently asked a Commenter what they would like to see in the MDN. I can't speak for that person, but for myself, I would like to see better coverage of business news regarding new businesses in town. For example, the building next to the old Pizza Hut is being refurbished. What is going in there? There are often other new businesses that come to town, but we know nothing about them until after they open (e.g. The Dollar Tree). I presume they all have building permits, so perhaps the MDN could routinely check those and find what is going on around town, and when they are expected to open.

-- Posted by cmasretire on Thu, Dec 22, 2011, at 6:52 PM

mr.exray My wife had a similar experience at Patricias,she puchased a few items,and tried to use the Bucks,and the clerk informed her there would be no change,why would anyone pay 20dollar chamber bucks for 6 dollars of groceries.Not all Merchants are that way,Some give Store credit,Like walmart for instance.Patricias lost a customer here .Its a shame the smaller merchants need the business.

-- Posted by DocHolida2u on Thu, Dec 22, 2011, at 4:59 PM

Cheetah... I agree with you about something!!! who cares about celebrities anyway? they put their pants on the same way I do... ohhhh wait... they probably have an illegal immigrant or other under paid staff dressing them every day.

-- Posted by mrxray on Thu, Dec 22, 2011, at 1:42 PM

Just wanted to share an experience I had here in Marshall today. As you know, the Chamber of Commerce utilizes a program of "Chamber Bucks" to encourage people to spend money in Marshall.... since these gift certificates cannot be used outside of Marshall it keeps those dollars here.

Business members of the CoC can give these out and accept them as cash. They have to go to the Chamber to cash them in and they do have lose 2% of the cash value when they cash in these certificates.

Today, I went to Caseys and tried to use these certificates to pay for gas and other things. My bill came to 50 dollars. I presented the certificates and the staff at Caseys got offended and stated that they did not accept them because they did not get cash back from the bank... I informed them that they had to go to the chamber to get the money not the bank. They ended up accepting them but begrudgingly. Before they did they had to call the manager/owner of the Caseys store and the staff member said over and over that this manager/owner was going to be upset over having to lose the 2% of the dollars.

Now they have the right to participate or not, but it seems they would generate more good will and repeat business by having a happier more community caring attitude than to ONLY worry about losing the 2% of cash value....... not to mention that they were completely miss informed by saying they could not ever get money back for these certificates...

-- Posted by mrxray on Thu, Dec 22, 2011, at 1:40 PM

Amen Cheetah! And,I'll add that there is the internet, that Pandora's box pandering to every desire imaginable.

I must add that the community is blessed by the presence of Eric, and Amy, both always involved to the hilt in good things to enhance the community. That part they don't have to do, that comes from the heart.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Dec 22, 2011, at 1:11 PM

Yogagirl I'm with you. Why are they cutting the trees down? What gives them the right to cut down a tree that is 15 feet into a persons property? OK maybe they are concerned about limbs hanging into power lines but the whole tree isnt hanging into powerlines. And every tree cut down and not replaced is one less tree cleaning and resupplying the air we breathe. I would like the MDN to do a story on this. PLEASE.

-- Posted by momaster on Thu, Dec 22, 2011, at 11:52 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
We'll get to work on it.

Who's picking up these dang huge trunks laying all over town? My elderly neighbors who never asked for them to be cut down in the first place sure as heck can't do it or afford it themselves!

-- Posted by yogagirl on Thu, Dec 22, 2011, at 9:57 AM

Editor Crump,

Personally, I believe the Baldwin story running two weeks after the fact got what it deserved, if it even deserved to be treated as news in the first place.

It's sad that some people can't live without hearing about the aberrant behaviors and worthless exploits of people like Baldwin, Sheen, Lohan, and countless others of their type.

-- Posted by Slater on Thu, Dec 22, 2011, at 7:30 AM

Regarding the Alex Baldwin story, yes, I agree. Two weeks is old news. Too old, considering the content. It was my fault for not catching that. It was, as several have proposed, filler material. Sometimes the important news of the day doesn't neatly fill out the page and we use wire stories to make up the difference. But the wire stories should be fresh and relevant, and I don't think the Baldwin story qualified.

-- Posted by Eric Crump on Thu, Dec 22, 2011, at 7:07 AM

Gee. You would think everyone on this site pays to read the paper.

-- Posted by red dog on Thu, Dec 22, 2011, at 6:31 AM

To which I respond.... as quickly as can be just like the story of Alex Baldwin being kicked off the plane when again? that's right 2 weeks prior to being printed in MDN.

But, let us not squabble about the timeliness of when something is printed, or about what a bargain MDN gives to those who have lost a loved one.

I would like to wish ALL a Merry Christmas and a wonderful 2012! May all your Christmas wishes and New Year dreams become realities.

-- Posted by 1OFTHEGALS on Wed, Dec 21, 2011, at 10:28 PM

newsacross and Areyouseeing this: Read the article again, all the way through and pay attention to the details. There is more to the story than you realize.

1ofthegals: Most newspapers receive information regarding deaths from many sources, including funeral homes and relatives. Funeral homes do an excellent job of getting the job done. Others may not be so timely. In any case, the MDN publishes the information they receive as soon as possible.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Wed, Dec 21, 2011, at 9:16 PM

I strongly suspect that the woman was on probation, from reading "In 2008 Walmart banned Grapes from Walmart stores for a shoplifting offense." $8.50, by no means is a felony, however, being a previous offender that has been banned is usually due to a felony shoplifting charge. It was most likely an agreement with her and the courts that she not be in a Walmart, much less steal from one or felony charges could be pressed. I am no lawyer but I can guess that may be the case.

-- Posted by meagain on Wed, Dec 21, 2011, at 6:21 PM

Areyouseeingthis

I am not a bit surprised.

Its America, what did you expect?

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Dec 21, 2011, at 6:00 PM

Did anyone see the story about the woman who had $8.50 worth of beads from Wal-mart and tried to return them, as if she didn't mean to take them was charged with a FELONY OF ATTEMPTED BURGLARY? Seems to me that you shouldn't be punished for trying to do the right thing.

-- Posted by Areyouseeingthis on Wed, Dec 21, 2011, at 5:33 PM

Merry Christmas Everyone! Please enjoy the holidays as best you can.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ek1uqrwLm...

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Dec 21, 2011, at 5:26 PM

I would much prefer my obit runs after I am dead.

-- Posted by broke-n-busted on Wed, Dec 21, 2011, at 5:11 PM

Might be a "bargain" but not if the announcement appears after the event.

-- Posted by 1OFTHEGALS on Wed, Dec 21, 2011, at 4:55 PM

As to obituaries in the paper, I have been told that the St Louis Post Dispatch charges $100 per inch for obit space. I haven't tried to verify that, but if it's true, then the MDN is certainly a bargain.

-- Posted by TerryM on Wed, Dec 21, 2011, at 4:08 PM

1ofthegals: I can say with authority that having an obit printed in the Marshall paper is an incredible bargain at a mere $40. When my parents died, we spent somewhat more than $1,200 for obits in just the four local papers where they lived, and neither of the obituaries was any longer than most of the ones you see in the Marshall Democrat-News for FREE.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Wed, Dec 21, 2011, at 3:08 PM

At the risk of offending many, with the hope of pleasing a few, here is my annual Christmas offering. ;)

Things would be different I think

if the color for Christmas was pink

The scene on the street, would just be too sweet

and hearts softened so often gently would beat

Santa so dashing in fuchsia lame'

perched in his rose colored sleigh

Retro would rise to a never seen high

pink flocked the only tree you could buy

Ralphie would recant, his disgust at his aunt

no longer would hide, would wear with pride,

those amazing pink pajamas she sent.

There's much to be said for the pale sister of red,

I guess that's the point to which this has lead.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Dec 21, 2011, at 3:03 PM

Selmac8:

After reading more than one negative comment you have made about ConAgra, why don't you just come out and say what your beef is with them.

Without them providing so many people in our community with employment our community would suffer.

I thank goodness we have employers that have stayed here in Marshall. Providing our citizens with more than minimum wage jobs. With out these employers our local economy would greatly suffer.

If they are breaking laws by parking in places they shouldn't perhaps filing a report with the police would fix it, instead of complaining on a blog.

Have you called Conagra, to voice your concerns?

-- Posted by meagain on Wed, Dec 21, 2011, at 1:06 PM

I am sure our local paper tries to be right on top of current events happening. Although Alex Baldwin getting kicked off a plane is not news interest to me... it might be to others. Probably just "filler" to make a complete page. The last MDN paper I saw could be read from front to back within a matter of minutes. With about 85 to 95 percent of NO interest to me. In fact, if most people were being honest, the first thing people glance at is the front page and then FLIP the paper over and look at the obituaries.

Have you noticed the statement in obituaries of MDN "additional information provided at family recompense" That would include naming family members of the deceased person, such as children's spouses or grandchildren's names. More often than not of LOCAL people names. People who we work with, live beside or perhaps went to school with.

I am sure there are costs of ink, paper and labor involved in making the newspaper. With the printed page becoming less popular now days I am sure MDN has to do what it can to stay alive. Just like printing useless information about actors being kicked off planes and charging $40.00 to print loved ones names all be it usually late or even after the services have been held.

Yep... newspapers are trying to stay right on top of things.

-- Posted by 1OFTHEGALS on Wed, Dec 21, 2011, at 10:58 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
What would you be interested in reading in the paper?

Did anyone else notice in last nights MDN on page 3 they ran an article about an event (Alec Baldwin thrown off plane) that occured two weeks ago. Must have been a really slow news day!

-- Posted by momaster on Wed, Dec 21, 2011, at 9:41 AM

Con Agra. I wonder what would happen if Con Agra pulled out of Marshall. It could happen you know. Big business will do what is best for the bottom line.

-- Posted by red dog on Wed, Dec 21, 2011, at 6:59 AM

Here's all I can offer about that illegally-parked truck:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYsBDmqJf...

-- Posted by Slater on Tue, Dec 20, 2011, at 11:27 PM

Earlier to this evening I was out walking and came to the corner of North street and salt pond. I walked past a Semi parked on the side of the road. On the pole right beside the parked Semi was a NO TRUCKS sign. But its ok cause it was probably a Con Agra truck and the city lets them do what ever they want.

-- Posted by Selmac8 on Tue, Dec 20, 2011, at 10:23 PM

About 10 years ago, many merchants and other businesses raised some money to repair and expand the commercial Christmas decorations for the City of Marshall. The City also contributed some funding for this project.

A number of service club members stripped old decorations of worn wiring and garland. The frames were taken to Iowa to be re-furbished and additional decorations were purchased including the wreaths and garlands on the square.

The plan was to have decorations from the square south to Morrow Street and from the square west on Arrow Street to Miami. College Street was to have decorations from Miami Street to 65 Highway.

Most of the utility poles on Arrow have not been wired so the decorations can be plugged in (although this function could certainly be performed). This would explain why those decorations are not lighted.

With respect to the other decorations, many have burned out lights and some need to be re-furbished or replaced. The life for these decorations is about 10 years.

Unfortunately, a funding mechanism to update and replace the commercial decorations was never established. Perhaps a $5.00 per year assessment to each Chamber of Commerce membership would, over time, provide this funding.

I hope this answers the questions posed. It is unfortunate that these issues cannot be raised without pointing a finger at Connie Latimer. Perhaps an offer to help organize a committee to ready the decorations for display each year would be more appropriate and certainly in the spirit of the season. GH

-- Posted by Gray hair on Tue, Dec 20, 2011, at 3:53 AM

momaster,

You might call our City Administrator, Connie Latimer at City Hall. She was sharp enough to get hired by the City Council as the only applicant interviewed. Surely she can answer your question to your satisfaction.

-- Posted by Bcat on Mon, Dec 19, 2011, at 9:45 PM

This past weekend driving around town at night I noticed that about half the cities Christmas decorations on lamp posts were not working. Do we have that many broken decorations or is this some kind of cost saving move?

-- Posted by momaster on Mon, Dec 19, 2011, at 2:19 PM

You might try looking at their website. http://www.moviesinmarshall.com/ If that doesn't answer your questions there is an email link on their website - you could ask the owners your questions.

-- Posted by the view from the square on Mon, Dec 19, 2011, at 10:42 AM

I've got a quick question. Why does the movie theater only give their schedules through Thursday of the current week? Many folks want to plan for their weekend farther in advance than one day. Can anyone tell me what's playing at the theater Christmas night or will the theater even be open?

-- Posted by luvthoseowls on Mon, Dec 19, 2011, at 9:36 AM

A reminiscence of Marshall in winter long ago. For my fellow Geezers.

I remember our town in nineteen forty five

most folks then are gone, some still alive,

town that's gone, though a town is still there.

Close your eyes and go back, if you dare,

look back through your window upon the past,

for one of these days it will be your last:

Coal dust peppered the hard frozen snow,

the ice boy still came that cold day you know,

the coal man scooped, down the chute it would go,

Jackson slopped town hogs on the town's scrap,

and Mom stayed home bouncing kids on her lap.

The city bus crunched along on its route,

and work a day people were walking about.

At times a scarce car would come skidding along,

and the war had just ended all that was wrong.

A big black steam engine passed by with a roar,

shook every window as we looked out the door.

It chuffed, it puffed, it kicked up snow,

with a long haunting whistle away it would go.

Kicking up memories along its cold road,

these relics of childhood I closely hold.

I'll close now by saying each word that you've read;

is a kid's view from a corner,near Boyd and Ted.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Dec 18, 2011, at 10:55 PM

About the trees on College. I strongly suspect the trees that were cut down were what the property owner wanted. I strongly suspect they were cut down with the understanding the owner would clear the wood. WOOD. Fireplaces. Just like cash in the bank. At least the trim job these guys are doing beats the "brush hog" that was usually used when clearing the lines in the years past. That brush hog approach butchered the trees in front of my place. That was two or three years ago and the aftermath is still apparent. As bad as the street looks to you, it is much better than it could be.

-- Posted by red dog on Sat, Dec 17, 2011, at 3:46 PM

aikman8, I'm with you - College Street looks just awful. Surely there was a better way to take care of this.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Sat, Dec 17, 2011, at 6:50 AM

what in the world happened on college street with all the trees being cut down or trimmed back from the wires? the city apparently hired this out to a company that did quite a hack job all along the street. it looks absolutely terrible. who is responsible for cleaning up all those trees they cut down, and also, why such a drastic approach? some of those trees that are cut back look like half a tree now and look absolutely terrible. if i lived in one of those houses, i would not be a very happy camper. who hired these guys?

-- Posted by aikman8 on Fri, Dec 16, 2011, at 11:21 PM

"Census: 1 in 2 persons is poor or low-income"

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45678784#.Tu...

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Dec 16, 2011, at 4:17 PM

Okay....not sure why my last post was deleted, but just a concerned parent of a high school student.

-- Posted by Marshallgirl71 on Thu, Dec 15, 2011, at 6:40 PM

just wondering if you heard, I was up late last night had scanner on. I heard marshall an saline co police arrested 10 women an 3 men on drug charges Any news about this !!!!

-- Posted by bnm on Thu, Dec 15, 2011, at 8:05 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
We have a report this morning (story just posted) about arrests of three men and one woman on burglary, drug and receiving stolen property charges.

Will there be photos from the weekend concerts?

-- Posted by momaster on Wed, Dec 14, 2011, at 8:07 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Yes.

Nanadot

I found what my mom was telling me about this morning ,It's on Foxnews.com under there Technology section . There is a 3 min video and it's labled Is U.S. prepared for a electromagnetic pulse attack . Sorry I dont know how to paste it to my messege so that you can just click and go . It was very interesting and also scary to think it could happen .

-- Posted by ambsun on Tue, Dec 13, 2011, at 3:04 PM

Nanadot

Thanks for the info ,I was courious . Was thinking maybe my mom was losing it . :O)

-- Posted by ambsun on Tue, Dec 13, 2011, at 12:40 PM

I have a wierd question

Has anyone heard or seen on the news about a magnetic pulse that is supposed to hit missouri and other surounding states knocking out power to all of us ? Talking to my mom in Oregon , she says it was on there news and was supposed to miss them and california . I cant find any info on it . Does anyone else know anything ?

-- Posted by ambsun on Tue, Dec 13, 2011, at 11:01 AM

ChickenPotPie you quoted as follows, "The article was based on selective data, excluded interpretation that hasn't been finished yet, and reflected power levels 32 times higher than LightSquared actually plans to use, company officials said."

So tell me again why everyone should get on board with Light Squared when "interpretation hasn't been finished yet".

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Dec 13, 2011, at 10:32 AM

Dec. 12 article from PC Magazine points the finger back at the FCC for unwise allocation of bands in the electromagnetic spectrum. FCC is the rule maker, road builder for the information super highway. Too much traffic on a narrow road doesn't bode well for LightSquared or GPS.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,239...

-- Posted by former editor on Tue, Dec 13, 2011, at 8:21 AM

The problem with LightSquare telling rural residents to tell their Congressmen to support LightSquared is that spectrum testing isn't finished and won't be until next year. That's too much like buying a used car without a test drive. I don't want to pay for it unless it works. The reason it may not work is it may override GPS. GPS is used in rural areas to guide fertilizing and planting. But it's used for much more, such as guiding airliners, ocean going oil tankers, military drones and emergency services. GPS occupied their part of the spectrum first and became a widely used technology. LightSquared commercials say GPS is "flawed." Let's see what the test results show first instead of voting for the proverbial broadband pig in a poke from which a rich person is trying to make more money.

-- Posted by former editor on Mon, Dec 12, 2011, at 9:05 PM

Thanks FormerEditor. You are a watch dog who has chosen a different view than the most of the guard dogs that post here, self included. I appreciate your bark, and listen for it. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Dec 9, 2011, at 1:26 PM

Yesterday I was surprised to learn LightSquared (broadband GPS conflicting company) is spending advertising money in our area. Their message says to contact your Congressman and register support for LightSquared. Also yesterday the SEC filed a Wells notice on LightSquared's parents such as Phil Falcone and Harbinger Capital Partners entities.

The next question is do we have another Solyndra?

-- Posted by former editor on Fri, Dec 9, 2011, at 10:05 AM

Who said anything about Sponge Bob, Jason?

My post was about the foolishness of branding "The Muppet Movie" as 'anti-capitalist' or more wrongly 'pro-socialist' as was done by Fox's Bolling and Gainor did.

To say that Hollywood is brainwashing our children to turn them into socialists is just plain stupid and reeks of conspiratorial paranoia.

If Fox wants credibility then perhaps they should stop fanning the flames of partisan politics and try to help solve some problems. A halt to the 24/7 campaigning for the GOP might be a good place to start if they want to be taken seriously.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Wed, Dec 7, 2011, at 2:48 PM

Attacking Fox ? Just read what they put out, and Investegate!

-- Posted by Jo on Wed, Dec 7, 2011, at 2:47 AM

For those that think only fox news said sponge bob may be harmful to kids here is another link from a leftist leaning company, just saying if you going to attack fox news make sure you can back it up.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-09-12...

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Tue, Dec 6, 2011, at 11:25 PM

Smart Dog,

I was just watching that video and its too bad these guys at Fox news couldnt participate in real journalism instead of all propaganda all the time. Dont forget that they also went after the cartoon "Spongebob" not that long ago for the same reason. This is just crazy and divisive and they should be ashamed over there at Fox.

-- Posted by cheesehead on Tue, Dec 6, 2011, at 6:47 PM

Speaking of comics.

Anybody else see where Eric Bolling and Dan Gainor of Fox News have decided that "The Muppet Movie" is an attempt by Hollywood to brainwash our children against capitalism and ignite class warfare.

Apparently the villian in the movie is a little too similar to the guy that signs thier paychecks. :)

I'm not sure whether to laugh, due to the sheer foolishness of these jokers, or cry, as this is apparently the sad state of our American culture at this point in history.

I think I'll go with laughter as there seems to be nothing funnier than 21st century conservatives and their TV network antics. Can't wait to see what Jon Stewart has to say about this on the Daily Show. That should be good.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Tue, Dec 6, 2011, at 3:27 PM

Say whaaaat?

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Dec 6, 2011, at 2:20 PM

What brand of tobacco are you smoking these days?

-- Posted by Slater on Tue, Dec 6, 2011, at 2:08 PM

That's so gay Slater.

Note: Satire, I do not use that twisted word, and neither should anyone else.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Dec 6, 2011, at 1:47 PM

I don't know, OKR. Blockhead may have been replaced by a string of expletives, judging by the increasingly rude and violent nature of our society.

-- Posted by Slater on Tue, Dec 6, 2011, at 1:19 PM

Yeh I know Slater, no Lucys allowed here. If that comic strip/TV special were to be written today the lines, and scenes would be much different. Instead of "Blockhead!" Lucy might say to Charley "That may have been a mistake my slightly different (not that there is anything wrong with that) friend, but then that is just my opinion, and everybody loves you whether it was a mistake, or not." Charley's answer? Good grief. Some things never change. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Dec 5, 2011, at 11:51 PM

If you look just above this post, you'll have your answer.

-- Posted by Slater on Mon, Dec 5, 2011, at 11:16 PM

From my just wondering compartment.

I just finished watching Charlie Brown Christmas. It raised the question in my mind, may I call someone a block head on this blog?

That show was from 1965. How far has political correctness "progressed" since then?

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Dec 5, 2011, at 7:35 PM

Rushing to judgement in each instant case

Running in circles looking for a base

Stumbling, falling, in some sort of daze

Crawling to a corner confounded by malaise

A magician's rabbit compells a constant chase

but blind dogs lose sight then lose their pace

Perhaps it soon will end, leaving not a trace

Reporting now on the progress of the human race

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Dec 5, 2011, at 12:05 PM

Specialized equipment does come in handy at times. The one or two recipes I read make the process sound tricky even for the experienced person. :)

-- Posted by Slater on Sun, Dec 4, 2011, at 2:17 PM

Slater, thanks for the link to the ribbon candy video - doesn't look like something I'd want to try without the automatic folding machine :)

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Sun, Dec 4, 2011, at 9:19 AM

Koeller,

This one appears to be filled to the brim with a variety of info, but it looks as if you may need to register to make use of it. There's supposed to be a video in there showing how to make ribbon candy:

http://cakecentral.com/modules.php?name=...

-- Posted by Slater on Sun, Dec 4, 2011, at 12:20 AM

Koeller,

We're not there yet, but we're closing in on it! Meanwhile, this one includes other projects you and daughter may find fun. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9jAd6NRM...

-- Posted by Slater on Sun, Dec 4, 2011, at 12:07 AM

What the f......

Yeah that too.

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Dec 3, 2011, at 4:21 PM

OKR,

Yeah I can appreciate that mate.

So did Nina Simone

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8tuTSi6S...

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Dec 3, 2011, at 3:55 PM

New day, new mood, I try to not let yesterday ever become today. I do that by not letting it (yesterday) occupy my thoughts. At my age I do not want to miss a single remaining day. Hence I avoid self manufactured mini-"Ground Hog Day". ;)

MERRY CHRISTMAS to EVERY one.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Dec 3, 2011, at 12:16 PM

News,

Sorry, but I just gotta have fun with this one.

I had trouble understanding your last post, maybe I just couldn't hear you because you were making a "mute" point. If the point was indeed "moot" then I know exactly what you mean.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Sat, Dec 3, 2011, at 10:41 AM

I read this all the time, some of you sure have posted a lot over the years. Maybe they should have a post count like other blogs do!

-- Posted by bakerman on Sat, Dec 3, 2011, at 8:27 AM

Oklahoma Reader

Lol...

Yeah, that's the ticket!

Check this out mate, in Australia Christmas is in the Summer. Can you imagine how hard it is to get into the Christmas spirit when there is no chance of snow -- ever. How the heck is Santa going to land on the roof?

Its a quandry.

Sure we put up a Christmas tree, but as soon as I walk out the door its all Palm trees and green Gum trees. And let's face it, a Summertime beach full of sunshine, surf, and people may be fun -- but it hardly inspires one to break out in a rendition of "Jingle Bells."

I have considered gathering a petition urging Parliament to reschedule Christmas to June 25th which is Winter here, but since there isn't much difference between Australian Summer and Australian Winter, it seems it would be a mute point and a waste of the MPs' time.

So I have resolved myself to imagine at all times that it is a white, snowy Christmas -- a Winter wonderland you might call it. Sure my wife may think I am crazy as I try to build a snowman made of green grass, dirt, and bugs, but I think in the end it might help ease my Christmas dilema.

Maybe it will help.

I think it might be worth a try anyway.

So, what is your excuse?

(lol)

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Dec 3, 2011, at 3:30 AM

Evenin News. Reckon everybody is mad at everybody else? Must be the season. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Dec 3, 2011, at 1:29 AM

They only call it class warfare when We the People fight back.

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Dec 3, 2011, at 1:06 AM

Class warfare, you say? Yes, some want to engage in it, but I see it as nothing more than classless behavior.

-- Posted by Slater on Fri, Dec 2, 2011, at 11:54 PM

This is for you Slater, per your request.

Luther was a sittin with his buds, and Buds, outside the nationally owned local general store, whittlin, and a spittin.

He commenced to tell a story. Said he always took his dog fishin with him. Let on that one time when he was a fishin, a bear came up on em, swiped at Luther, and knocked him winding. Then he says that dog grabbed up Luther's rifle, ran over to the water, stuck his paw on the trigger, and began firin into the water. Luther says carp was a rollin up dead left, and right. Meanwhile that bear was still a comin after Luther. Luther fessed that he started runnin to the car, just barely made it. Pete says what happened to the dog. "Don't know, never saw him again". Pete says what's the point? Luther scratched his head, said maybe that I oughter not go fishin if'n the dog don't hunt?

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Dec 2, 2011, at 10:07 PM

Wow this blog gets nasty when you take politics away from it. Then again, maybe politics didn't leave at all, instead just morphing to another form of political expression. Class warfare anyone?

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Dec 2, 2011, at 9:41 PM

Scoff if you choose at what I said, it says more about you than it does me.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Dec 2, 2011, at 9:18 PM

That bird dog is a liar and trained to do so.Mannerisms, vocal modulation, and yes, even the way a dog barks, may be tip offs to parvo.

-- Posted by greg floyd on Fri, Dec 2, 2011, at 8:26 PM

This protracted badgering of Nancy and her post is wearing me out!

I'm gonna get cranky if you don't quit it!

I want to hear more tales about gun-toting bird dogs. :)

-- Posted by Slater on Fri, Dec 2, 2011, at 8:11 PM

I must have done somthing to get a spark going and that's all I was trying to do, just one of the things I see nowadays. I didn't call anyone out and I'm sorry if I offended anyone and I will never write anything on here again as my doing so has upset people and I just did it to let off some steam ,It's not my life!

-- Posted by nancy007 on Fri, Dec 2, 2011, at 8:04 PM

Some people can smell a rat better than others. I was professionally trained to do so. Mannerisms, vocal modulation, and yes, even the way something is written, may be tip offs to prevarication.

All are not of equal ability concerning lie detection, anymore than all liars are equally accomplished.

Just sayin. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Dec 2, 2011, at 7:02 PM

Say what you want,but News can give Pretty good accurate info! I've checked out a few things he's said and he's right on with most! But he can speak for him self.

-- Posted by Jo on Fri, Dec 2, 2011, at 6:09 PM

If you want your money to got someone who needs help donate to a charity that has a good rep. In the long run your just enabling them to drink or smoke.

Also the personal insults need to stop we all have a right our own thoughts and your perspective or understanding of a certain comments are just that opinions are neither right or wrong.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Fri, Dec 2, 2011, at 5:38 PM

The girl from Cole Camp has been found.

-- Posted by Jessa on Fri, Dec 2, 2011, at 5:08 PM

Smokin' Cheetah

Actually, I think its a made up story.

and I could not care less what you think of me either way mate.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Dec 2, 2011, at 4:58 PM

I love to recall those candies of our childhood. But, yes, my taste buds have changed. Sweets aren't high on my priority list. Though I do allow myself a square of dark chocolate, if at day's end the calorie count is within bounds. May have the dna of a mouse, for I love cheese. But again, that has to be kept to a daily quota of no more than 100 calories. Seasoning w/cheese, it's called. In 12 years--I'll be 90--that's when I'll eat what I want:)

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Fri, Dec 2, 2011, at 3:36 PM

Born-n-Raised you have a point. The least one can say is that she has long had a knack for frequently spotting the worst of poor folks, then scornfully unloading on them.

For the record: http://www.marshallnews.com/scripts/sear...

;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Dec 2, 2011, at 2:21 PM

Upsedaisy and Koeller,

Making the stuff is definitely challenging, based on the content in this video:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/3kyxd8

I put this up on a web host for easy access. If you want to view the file, just click the link and select the download (Ribbon Candy). It's a short clip (12 Mb) from the Primrose Candy Co. in Chicago, and it generally tells how they make their ribbon and rock candy. Interesting, but no detail.

I obviously misspoke about having the video that explains how to make it. I thought I saved that one, but no. :(

I'll look again for it, and if I find it, I'll put the link on here. It's for the do-it-yourselfer and the one you'd want to see, Koeller.

I wonder if the ingredients have changed in any way through today's growing/processing. I know my taste buds have changed as I've aged.

Upsedaisy, has that been your experience, too?

-- Posted by Slater on Fri, Dec 2, 2011, at 1:40 PM

Slater!

That ribbon candy video sounds like a challenge - can you post the link? I'd LOVE to see if it's something I can do!

-- Posted by koeller77 on Fri, Dec 2, 2011, at 12:43 PM

Gal66 -

My understanding is the Consumer Reports recommends the Nook over the Kindle - but they're pretty close in the rankings! I'd go to Walmart - I think they have demos of both, and see which you like better!

Good luck!

-- Posted by koeller77 on Fri, Dec 2, 2011, at 12:39 PM

Slater, Making thin ribbon candy sounds complicated. Right off the bat, too complicated for this ancient one. Might be hot for S.A.'s 80 degree winter days too. Hope you find the perfect ribbon candy and have joy in your search.

To Nancy since your funds are limited the best place for your donation is the Salvation Army bucket. They are good at seeing to genuine needs.

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Fri, Dec 2, 2011, at 12:26 PM

Smokin' Cheetah, I, too, thought news was being cynical, but then I read some of nancy007's previous comments. I think he nailed it. She has provided the exact same comments in the past, nearly word for word. C'mon nancy, at least try to fool the people.

-- Posted by born-n-raised on Fri, Dec 2, 2011, at 10:40 AM

nancy007

That is quite a story mate.

Is there any possibility that your memory may be a bit skewed by your previously determined, opinion of donation seekers in general?

Anyway that is quite an interesting story you told there mate, fictional though it may be.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Dec 2, 2011, at 2:14 AM

"Dog steps on gun, shoots Utah hunter in buttocks"

If I owned that dog I would have to rename it Cheney. LOL

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Dec 2, 2011, at 12:50 AM

Does Walmart allow begging at the entrance to their stores, or were you talking about some other chain department store in Marshall? (Is their another?)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Dec 2, 2011, at 12:45 AM

While at a local chain department store I noticed a woman at one entrance asking ( financial assistance)help. I had planned on getting cash in store and giving her five dollars. But she was gone , but I did see another woman at other entrance and decided to just go to my car. As I was leaving I seen the first woman driving a truck up to the other woman who was talking to some people. I thought I would go ahead and give them my five dollars, but as I walked pass the back of thier truck it had five cases of beer and front seat had several cartons of cigarettes, and the two of them seemed to cheerful, after people left were laughing and counting money so I just turned around and left, I thought something was fishy, but now I wonder if I did the right thing... any opinions .... I Live on fixed income(retired)and I just thought they might have been scamming.

-- Posted by nancy007 on Thu, Dec 1, 2011, at 9:43 PM

Hi Upsedaisy,

How nice to see you again!

Yes, I've located tons of the ribbon candy, but I haven't tested any of it yet.

Actually, I came across a video showing how to make it. :)

-- Posted by Slater on Thu, Dec 1, 2011, at 4:35 PM

The Kindle Touch comes highly recommended, I especially like the no-glare screen, it's very easy on the eyes. Since the Kindle Fire is new and in color, I don't know if it has the same feature or if it has back-lighting, which I would be hesitant of. I can't comment on the Nook though.

Many libraries now have e-books books available for loan, but I don't believe Marshall is there yet. It would be an awesome boost to our library. Any word on that Amy?

-- Posted by k_m on Thu, Dec 1, 2011, at 4:05 PM

Looking for a little help my better half wants an e-reader I have looked at both the Kindle and the Nook but thought I would ask here for some thoughts.

Also would she have access to books on loan from the Marshall Library?

Thanks

-- Posted by Gal66 on Thu, Dec 1, 2011, at 11:17 AM

xray,

I have never said I have all the answers nor have I ever said the answers I do have are the most moral. Those are your words, not mine and I challenge you to show me where I have ever made those claims.

What I have done is called you out on your blood lust, war mongering and Islamaphobia. If you can't handle it then that is your problem.

We all have to look in the mirror once in a while. When was the last time you did?

Personally, I have no use for any organized religion but that is an arguement for another forum.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Nov 30, 2011, at 9:16 PM

Take it to the political blog X-ray if you expect a political response from me. As far as I am concerned what you post here, have posted here, will post here, doesn't exist.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Nov 30, 2011, at 8:35 PM

LOL Eric... By blog police, I was not thinking of you, but the multiple people who think that THEIR way is the only way... meaning if you make a mistake speelin they correct it or if you make a grammar mistake they correct it or if THEY post political statements here then it is ok but once you confront them and ask them a direct question they demand that we post to a different location... lol

-- Posted by mrxray on Wed, Nov 30, 2011, at 7:34 PM

Here is another thought... how about the European nations who have attempted to appease by allowing multiculturalism and who have now been overrun with Muslims that are demanding more and more and more Sharia type laws and demanding that these nations allow them to disrupt traffick flow by praying in the busy streets many other examples of how the Muslim religion is ANTI western culture so much so that they want us all dead if we choose not to convert?

Again, what is your all knowing answer to this solution? Are you going to stand up and give away YOUR freedoms so that they dont kill you? Are you going to ignore the possibility of this threat just to appease ONE religion? If Christians in today's world stood up and demanded that you convert to their ways or suffer death would you put up with it?

-- Posted by mrxray on Wed, Nov 30, 2011, at 7:31 PM

OKR... love to hear about my holes... lol

-- Posted by mrxray on Wed, Nov 30, 2011, at 7:27 PM

wow... what the f... that is the BEST answer you can come up with... instead of Bashing me, why not answer the simple little question I asked... since YOU have ALL the answers and YOUR answers are the MOST moral, then why not share them with the rest of the world?

Or is this too hard of a question... the problem you libbies have, is that you cannot answer direct questions such as this....

-- Posted by mrxray on Wed, Nov 30, 2011, at 7:27 PM

Zeke....

Even Jesus cleansed the temple in anger....

Just saying..... I can find justification in ANY religion, atheism, or any other type of thought process where there are "true believers" and those who take it to extremes...

BUT.... I find it funny that the liberal wanks are all about the "great" and "Wonderful" things that Occupy Wall Street groups are doing but they IGNORE the crime, rape, drugs, vandalism and economic harm they are causing the SMALL BUSINESS owners close to where they are protesting.

IF you are going to bash extremist religious people then in the SAME breath you better be bashing the extremeists in the OWS, the Unions and their thugs they send out and others.

It is TIRESOME and irrelevant and illogical to blame someone who YOU deem "Too" religious and utilize that person or group of people to justify your hatred of Christians as a whole while you dont do the same thing for the leftist people, like Obama's mentor and friend, Bill Ayers who BLEW UP buildings... and is unrepentent, and who Obama denied held fundraisers for him during the 2008 election campaign.

IF you are not bashing both sides of the aisle then all you are is a hypocrite.

NOTE: Zeke, I was not direction specific statements at you, just making general points toward your discussion

-- Posted by mrxray on Wed, Nov 30, 2011, at 7:19 PM

Such sad news.

-- Posted by meagain on Wed, Nov 30, 2011, at 3:46 PM

http://www.kmbc.com/news/29884730/detail...

-- Posted by wheresthelove on Wed, Nov 30, 2011, at 12:49 PM

aren't saying much on the news station but apparent suicide, his wife found him yesterday afternoon. tragic stuuf for his family and all who enjoyed his forecasts...

-- Posted by wheresthelove on Wed, Nov 30, 2011, at 12:34 PM

wheresthelove,

I missed the program this morning, what happened? This is terrible news!

-- Posted by momof3girls on Wed, Nov 30, 2011, at 10:52 AM

RIP DON HARMON, FOX 4 WEATHER GUY!! SO SHOCKING, DON'T KNOW HOW THOSE FOLKS ARE WORKING THIS AM, I GUESS THE SHOW MUST GO ON, BUT WOW!!

-- Posted by wheresthelove on Wed, Nov 30, 2011, at 7:52 AM

The same might be said about most good Muslims, eh Zeke?

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Nov 29, 2011, at 10:06 AM

Zeke,

I can appreciate what you are saying. Maybe you could witness to the right wingers.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Tue, Nov 29, 2011, at 10:04 AM

Yup Zeke. Just sayin. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Nov 29, 2011, at 9:34 AM

hey wtf ...

i could agree with most of what you said in your last post - but i don't think true christians see things the way you describe ... i think the ultra-right-wingers and others in washington make their own way and christians get the brunt of the blame ... i don't know many true followers of christ who are war mongers ... in fact, many are peaceniks, you know? ... as was jesus ... he came to bring a "better way" ... love your neighbor - and that included those who believed differently ... he did say that the only way to the father was through him - and i have to stick with that - but he never said go out a murder those who don't agree with our cause ... no - it's not christianity that is leading this current not-so-holy war ... it's greed and hunger for more power ... on the right and on the left and everywhere in between ... if we make it out to be a holy war - we've played right into their hands and they will sit back sipping their martinis and brandies while chuckling to themselves about how the stupid sheep got sucked in once again - and they'll chuckle all the way to the banks they control.

just sayin

zeke

-- Posted by zeke on Tue, Nov 29, 2011, at 8:22 AM

What the f......

Your previous comment was nothing short of outstanding!!

Good on ya mate.

If there was a comment of the year award, I would have already nominated yours.

Excellent work mate!!

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Nov 29, 2011, at 6:48 AM

X-ray your latest posts are full of holes. Pull on your big boy britches, and bring your next comments over to the political blog, and I'll tell you why, as will several others. We didn't mean to run you off. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Nov 28, 2011, at 10:42 PM

xray,

Well then let's just by god just kill everyone who's not a confirmed Christian! That'll fix everything won't it? Would that make you feel better? Where does it end? We can't afford the wars were in now. Are we supposed to invade every country with a Muslim in it? Where's that money coming from? BTW, Where's our free Iraq oil anyway?

Onward Christian soldier.... Nuttin says Christmas like a good old fashioned inquisition, right Xray?

Once again the 1% are ruining it for the 99%. Yes,there are some Islamic fundmentalists that wish us harm just as there Christian fundamentalist who are spoiling for a fight. Nuttin like a little man made rapture to ring in the holidays.

Mmmm, I feel all warm and fuzzy inside don't you?

Of course, none of that can justify why they felt the need to lie us into Iraq,a point that is consistently overlooked for some reason.

"Reason"...rhymes with "treason" as with outing CIA agents to punish those won't play ball.

Thousands are dead but billions were made. It's ok because they were different than us, right Xray? Is that the new American way?

They call it propaganda for a reason. The holy books started it, FOX perfected it and Wall Street profits from it. There is alot of money in the business of fear. Congratulations, you fell for it.

One Tin Soldier rides away....

-- Posted by What the f...... on Mon, Nov 28, 2011, at 10:22 PM

Slater and Eric,

I read both Politics and Speak out. I have noted that politics seem to have taken over Speak Out. In agreement that it would be great to have politics w/politics and not overlapping.

Eric, haven't mentioned for awhile how much I enjoy coverage and pictures of music events and community activities such as the annual Century Farms awards. Names bring memories rushing back.

Slater have you found the perfect ribbon candy yet?

Cheers,

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Mon, Nov 28, 2011, at 10:13 PM

For you Anti war people PLEASE PLEASE tell me your 100% perfect answer.... if you dont believe that Sadaam and Iraq were training and harboring terrorists, and defying the UN resolutions... makes me wonder how many UN resolutions it would have taken to FORCE Sadaam into submission.. (Sort of like how many licks to get to the center of the blowpops)

Reality is that people like Sadaam and Iran's blow hard and others are NOT swayed by UN resolutions and sanctions...

So again... for those who are ANTI war, please tell me how many cheeks you would turn, how many appeasements you would allow before even YOU favored military action....

-- Posted by mrxray on Mon, Nov 28, 2011, at 7:08 PM

ahhhh beware of the MDN blog police....

-- Posted by mrxray on Mon, Nov 28, 2011, at 7:04 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Yes, please do.

What the F... by YOUR logic, the US and England and every member of the allies during WWII would be considered terrorists as well.... think the Allies were terrorists?

-- Posted by mrxray on Mon, Nov 28, 2011, at 7:03 PM

what the f..... I ALWAYS see our faults... however, I am a realist. NOTHING that our nation could have done would change the fact that the Islam religion is ANTI-Western culture. Unless the entire US population of 350 million+ would be willing to accept Sharia law and convert to Islam then NOTHING we could do as a nation, society or politcal body would change the fact that they believe that anyone who is NOT of the Islamic faith should be killed. Just as Hitler was Anti-Jews and worked to exterminate the Jews, Islam wants to exterminate those who refuse to convert to "their" faith. THIS is the FUNDAMENTAL understanding that we have to have to survive and protect our citizens..... Just as Europe SHOULD HAVE done in WWII, we need to be proactive, stand firm in our STRONG military standards and maintain the BEST of the BEST when it comes to Troops Training and Technology. Anything less is negligent.

-- Posted by mrxray on Mon, Nov 28, 2011, at 7:01 PM

I go along with hunter/fisher and everyone else in agreement. Take the political discussions to the proper board. Please.

What say you, Mr. Editor?

-- Posted by Slater on Mon, Nov 28, 2011, at 10:43 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
I agree. That's what it's for.

Could not have said it better WTF.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Nov 28, 2011, at 9:17 AM

OK Reader

I think that your calling it an "ill concieved war" is quite generous of you.

I prefer the term "illegal".

It's sad that those who lied us in to Iraq for fun and profit are not sitting in prison but the guy caught with a quarter pound of weed will rot in his cell.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Mon, Nov 28, 2011, at 4:51 AM

hunterfisher

Well I wouldn't worry about it too much.

I would suggest you just not think about it. Think pleasant thoughts. You know, maybe think about some special place you have visited or maybe remember some loved one. Just sit back and think positive thoughts mate, after all, I hear if you think positive thoughts then positive things will happen...and if they don't, well you have your pleasant thoughts to keep you in high spirits.

Everything will be OK...well maybe everything will be OK...yeah, I think everything will probably work out for ya mate.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Nov 28, 2011, at 2:52 AM

Agree J69. :)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Nov 28, 2011, at 12:06 AM

Eric did say that hunterfisher. I suspect that Eric, and most of the rest of us tend to cut people a little slack when the lengthy post is obviously an outpouring of grief.

My stepson is one of the invisible walking wounded as a result of the ill concieved war in Iraq. He will never be the same, and will struggle the rest of his life. I grieve every day. So I have a little insight into how News feels.

Callous of you. At least you could have let that post alone. Shame, shame, shame!

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Nov 27, 2011, at 11:50 PM

news across i also seem to remember eric saying something about mile long posts. but i forget, the rules don't apply to you.

-- Posted by hunterfisher on Sun, Nov 27, 2011, at 11:29 PM

I would argue that Politics and war go hand and hand. The Commander in Chief is the president and he is the political leader of the Democrats. Just like G.W. was our commander in chief and he was the leader of the republicans and most Dems were against what he did and most repubs are against what our President does.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Sun, Nov 27, 2011, at 11:28 PM

War is not politics. Politics is not war. If so the two words could be used interchangeably. It can't be done if one wants to speak coherently in all circumstances. They are not synonyms.

Generally war is an offshoot, outcome, or consequence of political activity.

If anyone cares to discuss my statement please reply on the politics blog, or if you insist, the war blog. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Nov 27, 2011, at 11:03 PM

CheddarMate as a new poster on this blog you may not be aware of a long established practice on the blog. It is custom to not copy, and paste long statements from elsewhere on the web. Instead, an introductory statement concerning the topic is posted, then a link to the statement.

These blogs are for original statements by the various posters. Your post regarding you know you are a Tea Party member if... is not your original comment. It is found at the following link among other places. http://www.ostroyreport.com/2011/08/you-...

Just a heads up to you.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Nov 27, 2011, at 10:42 PM

koeller77

Yeah like I have said many times, I am the Typo King - undisputed.

Thank you for correcting my typo.

Anyway, no, where I set my boots has nothing to do with my opinion. Facts do.

Please allow me to simplify this for you.

Politics is about passing legislation, creating rules, setting up governmental structures, tax systems, court systems.

Politics in our culture involves debate, argumentation and other calm discourse, and negotiation.

War on the other hand is about one group of people -- usually a Nation such as the United States shooting at another group of people who are shooting back.

War means death. There is no way around that.

War means the increased spread of disease.

War means violence.

War means starvation.

War means rapes.

War means torture.

War means young Americans going out and body bags coming in.

And is this case, one might even say that war is the result of our collapsing empire, the result of endless war. Its a kind of vicious circle isn't it?

Politics has none of those things -- not in our system of government.

You won't hear how the Tea Party Congressman fought hard with bombs and bullets in the face of an overwhelmingly strong enemy who was fighting back with bombs and bullets today -- or any other day. The reason for that is because its politics and not war.

That is what I base most of my opinion on -- facts. Where I live has no bearing on that and my American citizenship is never up for debate.

One last thing, your press is not reporting all the news. You know you are having problems with Pakistan...well...here are some things the American press is trying real hard to not tell you about.

"Pakistan voices 'deep rage' over NATO attack"

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia/2011/...

"US, Pakistan Near Open War; Chinese Ultimatum Warns Washington Against Attack"

"Any Attack on Pakistan Would be Construed as an Attack on China"

http://tarpley.net/2011/05/21/us-pakista...

"Obama Tells BBC He Will Violate Pakistan Borders"

on tape, on record: Dang my lyin' ears!

http://tarpley.net/2011/05/24/obama-tell...

Frankly, foreign wars are one thing, but if the Chinese fire their missles, that war will be coming right on in your living room window.

Fortunately, Australia is very close allies (many here say China is our best and closest ally) with China and don't look to us to back you on this one lol lol lol... You can keep your nukes out of our backyard thank you very much!

Have a great day!

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Nov 27, 2011, at 10:11 PM

@news...I don't normally correct grammar/spelling, but I do hope you meant I*E*D. It's a small difference, but an important distinction!

We'll have to agree to disagree again. We simply have exceptionally different world view, in part, I'm sure, due to your residence in another country and our age differences.

-- Posted by koeller77 on Sun, Nov 27, 2011, at 9:39 PM

@xray...Hold up! We're on the same side in this! My husband certianly felt that we were doing good in Iraq! And he's of the opinion that the politics of war have gotten in the way of the greater good in Iraq and Afghanistan. In fact, while neither of us want more casualties, we're not sure that the politics driving the push to bring all the boys home is the safest/best choice.

My only argument was with newsacross saying war isn't politics.

-- Posted by koeller77 on Sun, Nov 27, 2011, at 9:31 PM

BTW xray,

Bush didn't prevent 9/11 but he sure as hell took advantage of it.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Sun, Nov 27, 2011, at 9:18 PM

xray,

Good question but wouldn't Bush qualify as a terrorist? I'll bet the famalies of a bunch of dead Iraqi's would say so. If you really loved this country then you would be willing to see it's faults and deal with them in a realistic manner instead of just waving the flag, cracking a beer and shoutin' for god to sort them out. First of all we could probably reconsider our foreign policy methods. There are none so blind as those who will not see.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Sun, Nov 27, 2011, at 9:17 PM

gosh, all of this would look really great in the politics section.

-- Posted by hunterfisher on Sun, Nov 27, 2011, at 8:29 PM

for you liberal leftist, whining arm chair quarterbacks....... without bashing Bush or republicans how would YOU prevent another 9/11 and how would you work to end terrorism?

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE dont tell me that you think we can actually TALK with terrorists or negotiate with them and actually have the negotiated terms either ignored or used as a stepping stone for terrorists to attempt to garner more and more and more....

-- Posted by mrxray on Sun, Nov 27, 2011, at 7:41 PM

cheddar... by YOUR logic, if you believe ANYTHING that is anti tea party then you are COMMUNIST or a Nazi

-- Posted by mrxray on Sun, Nov 27, 2011, at 7:39 PM

koeller... I know MORE military members in harms way or that have been in harms way that believe the US has been doing good in the nations where we have been fighting terrorism and we could be doing more good and actually really disrupt the terrorist's organization if politicians were not involved. It is ALWAYS politics, since WWII (Maybe even before that) that have caused wars to be prolongs or not fought with the ONE goal of winning as quickly as possible.

While the atom bomb droppings on Japan to end the Pacific Ocean portion of WWII were horrible, there has not been a President or political body that was as courageous as Harry S. Truman was in making a decision that prevented the loss of 1000s more AMERICAN lives.

Either we need to treat war like something to WIN or we just need to treat the rest of the world by continual turning of our cheeks, giving in to their every whim and wish even if it doing so causes our nation economical, societal or other types of harm. Immediately after 9/11 we demanded that we find out who attacked us and retaliate... now, just as with the typical liberal beliefs and "feelings", they want to award those who are Attacking the US the same type of equality of civil rights as we grant our faithful citizens, force our troops to NOT fire back at people firing on them and other idiocies that belong to the leftist thought process.

-- Posted by mrxray on Sun, Nov 27, 2011, at 7:38 PM

news...it is sad when anyone is killed.... my son was in Afghanistan, could have been killed, was shot at while flying blackhawks. Friends of his were killed. However, war is never fun. I am guessing, just like my father and his brothers, myself and my son, "Matt" signed up on the dotted line, a volunteer. Men and women in the Armed forces KNOW what they are doing. If you read history there were plenty of isolationist types in WWI and WWII that demanded that the US stay out of the "European war" and the US did until almost too late to prevent the HORRIBLE Hitler from overrunning the planet. I am sure that anyone throughtout time that has lost a son or daughter to a war that they felt was not "legitimate" for whatever their reasons, feels that it is easier to blame the government or those in power with whom they politically disagree with.

I know a BUNCH of military members that feel as if the US is actually doing some good in Iraq and Afghanistan but that it is the POLITICS that is preventing the military from actually doing their job of winning the war by winning over the "people" and just as in Vietnam, it is the political game that is the problem not the military action.

I know a bunch of people building schools, rebuilding cities, infrastructure and organizing a nation at local, regional and national levels.

perspective is everything I guess.

-- Posted by mrxray on Sun, Nov 27, 2011, at 7:31 PM

war is politics by other means

-- Posted by CheddarMate on Sun, Nov 27, 2011, at 7:27 PM

Politics creates war. So, obviously,war is politics. Get over it mate.

-- Posted by CheddarMate on Sun, Nov 27, 2011, at 7:23 PM

koeller77

No, you are incorrect.

Bad politics may lead to war, but War is a category all to itself

...or did some of our Congressman run into a hidden IUD today?

I didn't think so.

Politics is politics.

War is a whole other subject.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Nov 27, 2011, at 7:18 PM

@news: I'm very sorry for your family's loss. I can't imagine a world where my husband hadn't come home from Iraq. Most recently, 3 hometown boys have either not made it home or come home grieviously injured in 3 separate incidents...a shock to the system for a small town.

But my husband did make it home safely. And he'll be the first person to tell you that while soldiers believe in the more noble reasons for war and the best soldiers (my husband was a Staff Sgt as well) worry less about winning and more about their soldiers, it's the politicians that send them there, and they don't send them there for noble reasons. They send them there for oil, for power, for dominance.

Yes, news, war IS politics.

-- Posted by koeller77 on Sun, Nov 27, 2011, at 7:06 PM

As the 2012 presidential campaign intensifies, there's been much speculation as to the philosophies, motivations and overall composition of Tea Party constituents.

To help clarify any lingering confusion and to help define these passionate Americans, I offer the following Litmus Test:

You know you're a Tea Bagger if:

1. You hate science and the corrupt scientists who manufacture data in nefarious schemes

2. You think global warming is a hoax

3. You think there are hundreds of Nobel Peace Prize-winning scientists who believe in Intelligent Design

4. You think Social Security, Medicare and "big government" are mutually-exclusive

5. You think God is an evangelical Christian conservative

6. You think Elvis was born in August

7. You think the "Soviet Union" remains one of America's biggest threats

8. You can see the "Soviet Union," or Russia, from your backyard

9. You think Paul Revere is famous for warning the British

10. You think the historic "Shot Heard Round the World" took place in New Hampshire

11. You think John Wayne Gacy was a rugged movie star

12. You think John Wayne was a serial killer

13. You think homosexuals can be "cured" by Marcus Bachmann

14. You think Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke has committed "treason"

15. You think there are "Death Panels" consisting of evil doctors who will kill old people

16. You think Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity tell the truth and that Fox News is fair and balanced

17. You think governors who advocate their state's secession from the Union would make great presidents of the United States.

18. You think that African American males like President Obama benefit more by government assistance than those hard-workin' white folks

19. You think President Obama is an illegal alien

20. You think Michele Bachmann really worked for the IRS just to get inside to better understand the enemy

21. You think the Founding Fathers abolished slavery

22. You love America but scowl when your opponents exercise the very Democratic principles which make it great, like free speech; separation of church and state; a free and open press; freedom of religion; checks and balances; freedom from persecution; and civil rights for all

23. And most of all, unlike your founding Tea Party brethren 238 years ago, you think "No taxation without representation" really just means "No taxation."

-- Posted by CheddarMate on Sun, Nov 27, 2011, at 7:05 PM

Its all Palins fault

-- Posted by CheddarMate on Sun, Nov 27, 2011, at 6:34 PM

hunterfisher

Remember when we were told we were in Iraq and Afghanistan to fight for our freedom and the freedom of the Afghan and Iraqi People? You know, we were told, families, families like mine who actually had a close relative such as a son or daughter, nephew or niece, grandson or granddaughter who was actually fighting those wars -- and the even fewer of us who actually paid the high price of our loved one's life -- could rest assured that our children were In Iraq and Afghanistan for the noblest of reasons -- freedom, liberty, and protecting our Nation -- and certainly not for oil or poltics?

Remember that?

Remember the fancy slogans like "Freedom is not free" and hey remember those cute little yellow ribbons we were told we should put on our cars to show our support for our troops and freedom -- you know troops like my late Nephew Matt who died of wounds he received in Afghanistan (his second tour in Afghanistan after his previous 2 tours in Iraq)?

Of course Matt, being a Staff Sgt, was a bit too worried about his platoon for his own good perhaps. I bet some folks who have forgotten all the lofty ideals we claimed we went to war for in Afghanistan and Iraq might even say Matt brought what happened on himself. They might say it was his own fault -- well they might say that now but they didn't say that back when they all wanted us to support the war they were all excited about and wanted.

Sgt. Matt's platoon was being evacuated after being overrun by the Taliban Army. They were in a hasty retreat all jumping on the helicopter to be evactuated -- well, that is except for Sgt Matt. He refused to get on board until all his men were safely on board while he provided them with covering fire. After all his men were on board the helicopter, they grabbed onto my nephew and pulled him on to the helicopter platform as the helicopter was taking off, and while the Taliban shot his legs to pieces.

Matt died.

The Army paid for a big hero's funeral for him, gave my Sister, his Mother, a whole bunch of money and his Sister, my niece, a whole bunch of money. They awarded him a whole bunch of medals with a lot of lofty sounding names and they named a few buildings after him, and yep the United States of America gave my sister a beautiful American flag. She keeps that flag under glass and it reminds her of why she believes he died -- fighting for your freedom and mine -- well at least that is what most of the folks were telling us back when they were planning to invade those countries.

She misses her Son, and she loves that flag, but he won't be coming home.

Matt is dead.

My Sister is distraught.

Its hard for her particularly at certain times of the year -- Matt's birthday, the anniversary of his death, and Christmas just, to name a few.

She will never be the same again.

Neither will my Parents - Matt's Grandparents. Mom cries a lot when she thinks about it and she thinks about it a lot.

So do I.

I think about why he died.

I think about what a whole lot of folks said when it all first started -- they said it was about freedom and democracy. They said it was about making the World a better place. That is what we all told each other isn't it? Didn't we decide that our troops were there to do the right thing for the Afghan People, the Iraqi People, and to fight for our safety and freedom here in America?

So now you tell me it is only politics.

Now you tell me Matt and all the other heroes, our childen, our familes, those families who paid the real cost of that war, just died for politics.

Well isn't that special.

I think you are wrong.

But then again, I am subjective, I guess. Having lost someone I loved very much in that war -- seeing my Sister pay the cost of her Son's life, seeing my own Mother weep and suffer for his loss, knowing none of us will ever hug him again or be able to tell him we love him again, I guess I tend to be a bit subjective -- or perhaps just concerned that some of the same folks who told me before that my nephew died fighting for our freedom now want to tell me that Matt died for politics -- not freedom or democracy. I guess its just a matter of convenience vs inconvenience for some folks, and yeah war can be very inconvenient -- particularly for the folks being invaded.

I think Those wars are just wars, and I think wars are bad, but I never think of war as politics. Politics may cause wars, but war is about young people dying for a noble cause they believe in, and the cause they died for was freedom -- not politics.

There are lots of reasons for going to war.

Funny that, how the same folks who told us we were in those wars, not for political reasons, not for oil, but rather to eliminate some very bad governments in Afghanistan and Iraq and to establish free societies in their place, and to protect our freedom at home from the murderous acts of terrorists, now don't want to hear about those wars. They don't label the wars with words like "freedom" anymore. Now they want to label the wars with words like "politics."

War is war, not politics.

Perhaps the problem is not that you confuse war with politics, but, rather, like so many folks previously mentioned, you simply don't want to know we are still at war and our soldiers -- guys and gals like my nephew -- are still dying -- just like my nephew did in those wars. Its just not convenient anymore perhaps?

I guess now the same folks that cheered on the wars and got a whole lot of Americans killed are tired of those wars, or at least tired of being reminded of what they started and of what horrors they brought upon our children who's task it was to fight those wars.

The only real thing that seems to have changed is the reason some folks give us now for those wars, and the blinders some folks want to impose on this forum to the horrible consequences of those wars these same folks once cheered on.

Ya know its kinda odd, but there is this song I like. I think about Matt and the thousands of other brave, young, American men and women who answered their Nation's call in the name of freedom and liberty every time I hear it.

Its a song you have probably heard before.

You will find it here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyygMti1Q...

Of course on second thought, you might just want to skip that song. You would probably think its politics.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Nov 27, 2011, at 6:26 PM

I did find ONE spot that used nuclear energy. But that was used as fuel. It's clean burning and renewable. No need to bomb them, mate. They are harmless and deserve our repesct.

C to the M

-- Posted by CheddarMate on Sun, Nov 27, 2011, at 6:22 PM

wow.... all you could do was call me "Miss" xray? Wow that hurt... I better run to mommy.....

OR wait... maybe you should try to come up with a MATURE arguement or counter point... LOL

-- Posted by mrxray on Sun, Nov 27, 2011, at 6:22 PM

Cheesehead er.. cheddarmate...

Here is the MOST important question.

The question is NOT IF Iran has Nukes, or currently has the weapon grade nuclear material and/or the technology to weaponize radioactive material. The question is do we just sit back and ignore that potential and ignore the threat?

Do we sit back like France and Europe did with Hitler and ignore the reality of Germany's threat and potential threat? Do we behave like them and appease and ignore? Sort of like ignoring a threat on New York City or Washington DC or Los Angeles or any other city in our nation.... if we have a threat, a rumor of a threat do we just sit back and ignore that threat or do we attempt to appease those making the threat or do we throw the full strength of our military might against the threat?

History PROVES over and over that appeasement NEVER works but ultimately causes the loss of MORE lives than if proactive actions were taken from the begining

-- Posted by mrxray on Sun, Nov 27, 2011, at 6:20 PM

Really Cheddarmate... they have no nukes... have you gone to Iran and gotten a free-for-all pass to investigate each and every inch of Iran? and its buildings?

I tend to agree with the experts of the International Atomic Energy Agency and its reports from Nov 2011 that state that Iran has Nuclear material that is weapons grade and that Iran has purchased material and technology from Pakisthan's Nuclear weapons expert and is extremely close to having nuclear weapons...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/nov...

http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/inter...

http://www.thetakeaway.org/2011/nov/07/i...

http://isis-online.org/isis-reports/deta...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnew...

http://disarmingconflict.ca/2011/11/23/u...

-- Posted by mrxray on Sun, Nov 27, 2011, at 6:16 PM

as to reasons for misspelling or utilizing poor grammar....... I my mind types WAY faster than my fingers do.... if you cannot see past the occasional spelling error or grammatical mistake to understand the actual point of what I type then it is YOU that have the intellectual obstacle, not me.

-- Posted by mrxray on Sun, Nov 27, 2011, at 6:01 PM

Jason1969.... with regards to the whole Grammar police on here.... What you have to bear in mind with those people is that when you make a point, a good point, that they disagree with, then they try to belittle you as a means of intimidation so that you are not expressing something that they disagree with.... Just keep on keeping on and dont worry about the grammar and spelling police... LOL. I might join the ranks of those who intentionally misspell and utilize poor grammar on purpose just to make those faux people react..... lol

-- Posted by mrxray on Sun, Nov 27, 2011, at 5:59 PM

Xray dude

Iran has no nukes. Only sticks and stones.

Sit down John McCain. Warmonger

-- Posted by CheddarMate on Sun, Nov 27, 2011, at 5:59 PM

Cheddarmate... can you explain how Iran is NOT a threat?

-- Posted by mrxray on Sun, Nov 27, 2011, at 5:57 PM

XRay dude

Get a grip mate, vietnam is over

We came home matey

-- Posted by CheddarMate on Sun, Nov 27, 2011, at 5:56 PM

News... NO ONE thinks war is great and wonderful and somethine we need to intentionally seek out.... However, along with John Lenon and others of his ilk.... Unicorns and the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow are NOTHING more than figments of your imagination. In the REAL WORLD, nations and extremists and nations like Iran, North Korea, Syria, Venezuela, Cuba, Russia, China and many others HATE the US, NOT for its world policies but because the US REALLY is a shining beacon on the highest hill that shines the light upon the DARKNESS of the evil oppressive dictators who want to control their people with totaltarian, iron fisted violence so that those dictators and governoring bodies can maintain their power and control over their people so they can live their lives of luxury while exploiting their people.

In the REAL WORLD, it does not matter what the US does or says or how we react, those nations and people will hate the US because the US is a threat to their way of live, threaten their control over their subjects, over those they exploit.

War and maintaining the very best of military troops, training and technology is essential to survival and this is the exact thing that liberal whining weakminded people who believe TOTALLY in isolationism and appeasement cannot grasp.... reality is to "Scary" for them so they want to give and give and give and turn 16 cheeks until they are beaten to a pulp and cannot fight back..... THAT is the European way after all and the European way is what the liberals drool after

-- Posted by mrxray on Sun, Nov 27, 2011, at 5:56 PM

hunterfisher.... you make a great point..... as long as it is something THEY want to post about and talk about it does not EVER Matter where they post to.... even if there is a specific place for POLITICS....

The second you bring up the Solyndra and other Green energy FAILURES of Obama, or GunRunner, of how Obama's Department of Justice FAILED to prosecute, INTENTIONALLY, the voter intimidation cases by the black panther party ONLY because the people doing the intimidation were BLACK, or how Obama is favoring GE and how GEs CEO Immelt is in bed with Obama and does not pay taxes yet ships TONS of jobs over seas.... and how the Occupy Wall Street movement is prompted and prodded and PAID FOR by Unions and the Communist and Nazi parties and people like Obama's wonderful friend Bill Ayers the home grown leftist terrorist is trying to teach the mindless fools being manipulated in the OWS tent cities, or how those same people have committeed over 200 documented CRIMES while "protestting" and how there were no arrests of tea partiers..... and the list goes on.... as long as you are not posting about THESE types of things that the leftist, Dems, Progressives, Liberals, communists, Socialists of Saline County and the City of Marshall disagree with then you are free to post on the front page area of the online portion of the Marshall news site.... but if they disagree with you, "How DARE you post here and not in the political section ONLY!!"

-- Posted by mrxray on Sun, Nov 27, 2011, at 5:49 PM

nobody is disagreeing the war is not front page news. i guess i just missed the sub-section to the democrat's posting rules saying that you can post endless political links and stories outside the politcal section if they are deemed front page news by those posting. point that section out to me if you would please.

-- Posted by hunterfisher on Sun, Nov 27, 2011, at 3:25 PM

http://www.ehow.co.uk/video_4977778_expr...

A free tip for you cat lovers. My cousin is the vet in the video. This is the proper way to do this procedure, and will save you 100s in veterinary bills. Good luck, mates.

CM

-- Posted by CheddarMate on Sun, Nov 27, 2011, at 12:27 PM

Howdy mate. Wonder what time it is in Perth mate. Actually, Steve Irwin is my mate, mate. But then, he is sleeping with Elvis, mate.

Iran is not a threat, mate.

-- Posted by CheddarMate on Sun, Nov 27, 2011, at 12:04 PM

hunterfisher

Oh I think war is way to big a deal for most folks (especially those of us who have paid the price of your war first-hand) to keep it off the front page.

Clearly, war is a category all its own and way too big to keep it secret...eh mate?

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Nov 26, 2011, at 8:50 PM

i see we are back to political issues on here again. you silly guys just can't stay in the political section with your political talk can you?

not enough traffic over there for you?

-- Posted by hunterfisher on Sat, Nov 26, 2011, at 8:04 PM

We can change the whole World if we only have the will to do the right thing, but war is not the way. We can say "NO!" to war, if we want to.

"Imagine"

John Lennon

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-b7qaSxuZ...

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Nov 26, 2011, at 5:26 PM

"Pakistan demands US vacate air base after deadly strikes"

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45442885/ns/...

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/11/26/world/...

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/11/...

With friends like America who needs enemies?

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Nov 26, 2011, at 5:16 PM

OKR,

No way anybody is moving in on my monopoly of the typo/misspelling/grammar racket.

I remain the undisputed Typo King!!!

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Nov 26, 2011, at 12:14 AM

I meant may be, not maybe.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Nov 26, 2011, at 12:02 AM

Stay with it J69. I think at this point you know that I don't judge people's content by their grammar.

By the way I had not noticed that you have a particulary glaring grammar problem. That maybe partially because some of your comments irritate me, and that is all I notice. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Nov 26, 2011, at 12:01 AM

Jason1969

Your comments seem fine to me.

Don't let a lot of other folks' worrying, worry you. Your opinion is just as important as any other commenter's.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Nov 25, 2011, at 10:13 PM

The reason I am so passionate is that when I was born I was born with a heart defect. And back then most people assumed you were mentally challenged if you had that. So I was stuck in Special Ed till 6th grade when they found out I had Above average IQ by then it was to late had to make up a lot of years in one summer and I started to not care about school. So sorry if I get sore at people correcting grammar and spelling I have been around people who don't have that ability.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Fri, Nov 25, 2011, at 9:32 PM

The Alternative High School was moved, not closed. It is still active but in a building on High School property. I am not sure what the savings total was but the district no longer pays for renting space at the McFarland Office Complex. I asked the right person to find this out.

Why don't all that post here find out the facts before making comments? The opportunity to find out the facts occurs at least once a month at the Board meetings. Every Board member is approachable. You elected them to represent you. Why not avail yourself of the opportunity.

The High School track was in very poor shape before it was refurbished. The life expectancy of the old surface went beyond it's forecast life. It would have been unusable soon if something was not done. How would you feel about that sports fans?

Something most of you probably don't know is the College no longer has a track. When artificial turf was put down the field was widened to accommodate soccer and there went the track. If the College wants to host a track meet I would say they will have to rent the High School track. After years of having to pay the College to use their football field for High School home games it is only fitting they pay to use the track.

As for the work at the soccer field. About all the School District will pay for is pouring some footings. Con Agra and Cargill will take care of the rest. Would you rather the District turn down the offers from Con Agra and Cargill?

Look before you leap to conclusions.

-- Posted by red dog on Fri, Nov 25, 2011, at 5:24 PM

Jason1969

I had no problem understanding your post at all mate.

I think its great that you share your opinion with all the other readers and me.

Please keep the comments coming mate, and don't worry about minor grammatical problems.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Nov 25, 2011, at 3:08 PM

Forget the grammar, punctuation marks or mismarks, I just want to know more about the what I THINK the posting was about: priorities of the school administration/system and what they are spending.

I agree the priorities don't seem to be in order if the track resurfacing comes before the possibility of closing a school. (which I'm sorry I am NOT up on all the latest information, I have been and continue to be out of the loop due to circumstances beyond my control ...out of town)

First, what school is ae? We the voters of Marshall have voted down repeatedly the issue of building a new school. I have my reasons for not wanting to build a new school. Increased taxes being a large reason and another for not trusting what the school administration/system says they need and or want.

If this is indeed what priorities this school administration/system follows it just puts icing on the cupcake for me not to trust this administration.

I am FOR sports in schools as much as I am FOR music, agricultural groups, science and just about any of the extracurricular activities our schools offer. I feel that this keeps kids interested in going to school, not just to learn but to have a little fun at the same time.

But I do believe these extracurricular activities should not trump keeping a school open.

Once again let me say I am not up on all the latest information, which is why I am concerned I don't understand the meaning of the initial posting. I would like to know more about this issue.

I did not mean to cause madparent1 or any other person on this web site any undue stress about the grammar or typing issues. I am just trying to understand and unfortunately I didn't understand this post.

-- Posted by 1OFTHEGALS on Fri, Nov 25, 2011, at 11:30 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
AE refers to Alternative Education, the former Saline County High School. Although SCHS was closed at the end of the 2010-2011 school year, its alternative education program was folded into Marshall High School, so the program itself was not eliminated. The proposal to eliminate SCHS included savings to the district of $135,000. I'm sure the current program costs the district less than that, but I'm not sure what the price tag is. It was saved by reassigning a second-grade teacher to MHS, leaving Southeast school short staffed.

I am just saying if you feel the need to correct this why not volunteer tutor kids having problems in this area. Plus you don't know their situation maybe they are typing with less fingers or some other handicap not everybody can buy voice programs for your computers. Think of a more tactful way instead of coming across hateful.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Fri, Nov 25, 2011, at 10:41 AM

hey folks.... I am looking for someone with a tractor and a post hole digger that might want to earn a little money to dig about 20 or so holes that I already have pre-drilled...... if you are interested or know someone that might be, let me know

-- Posted by mrxray on Fri, Nov 25, 2011, at 10:12 AM

Jason1969

idon'tknowwhatthebigdealissoyoumaybehadafewtypossowhatitsnobigdealisaykeeponpostingandtoheckwithgrammerandspellingandallthosesillyrules.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Nov 25, 2011, at 4:31 AM

I disagree with you Jason69. I was in fact quite interested in the post, but it was difficult to read. I also realized that one simple change would give the writer access to more readers. I once had the same problem.

Actually it was just the opposite of what you assert. I thought some good points were raised, and if a small tip could further readership of those good points, then I was not only doing myself, and the writer a favor, but also those who read the blog, because then they would take the time to read something worth considering.

I do not hold anyone including myself, to a rigid grammatical standard...in fact I sometimes purposefully break them to give a slightly different nuance to what I am writing.

As long as words are not mispelled to the point that I can not tell what the word is...a rare occasion I might add, I am fine with whatever the spelling.

The same goes for punctuation. Usually the context of the post will yield the meaning, and emotional state of the writer. One need not know every pause missed nor its intended length because of an absence of comma, semi-colon or period to understand the writer.

I look at it this way. Just as with the spoken word, differing people utilize a differing dialect than others in their writing, a dialect that is predicated on the culture in which they gained their speaking, or writing skills. I believe that it is important to ignore the peripheral, and focus on the inner meaning of a statement, because it enhances one's own understanding of many things.

I suspect that many folks who demean, or feign disinterest in a written passage, sometimes do so from cultural bias. Perhaps Ebonics is at this time, the most graphic illustration of my point. There are many who refuse to read, or assign any value to something written in that form. Yet some people with good minds utilize it to make important points. It is ignored at personal peril, as are things written (or spoken), in broken english phrases of those new to this culture, or those who for whatever reason did not get a good grasp of english structure during there education.

Fluency with the familiar, is not an absolute precursor to intelligence. In fact to eschew all other forms of expression may be a sign of obtuseness.

Just something to think about.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Nov 25, 2011, at 12:34 AM

The expression of thought regardless of one grammar and spelling abilities should be free of what I call nit picking people no offense if you don't like the way one's expression of thought bc of penmanship or grammar or spelling then you are not interested in the first place.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Thu, Nov 24, 2011, at 10:00 PM

Thank you Okie, hope you had a wonderful and pleasant Thanksgiving.You have been a great help.

-- Posted by madparent1 on Thu, Nov 24, 2011, at 8:29 PM

And thank you MadParent1. I saw your post on another forum. It was easy to read your points.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Nov 24, 2011, at 7:03 PM

Thanks I. T. I really used to fix just that, many years ago. Believe it, or not it is tasty. I was not entirely in jest regarding my post. There are ways to get down when you're hard up.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Nov 24, 2011, at 6:59 PM

hunterfisher: I was not wrong. Your comments were disproportionate to the situation. So you had to go to another website to get a score? Really, on the scale of things in your life, is that the most important thing? If the MDN had posted the score in a (according to you) timely fashion, would you have said today at Thanksgiving dinner that you were thankful for that? Don't think so.

-- Posted by Miss Marple on Thu, Nov 24, 2011, at 6:47 PM

Nicely done, Oklahoma.

-- Posted by Interested Too on Thu, Nov 24, 2011, at 3:41 PM

Alone on Thanksgiving? Want a tasty one dish has it all, done in thirty minutes, T-day feast with leftovers? On the cheap, no less?

Two boxes of stove top dressing, a handful of "Craisins", handful of pecan pieces, small jar of sliced mushrooms, two small packets of Buddig (or other) sliced turkey, one chicken boullian cube, one box of instant mashed potatoes, four patties of butter purloined from a restaurant.Follow box instructions on the two boxes. Add boullian cube to water for the dressing. Toss in Craisins, pecans, mushrooms, bring to a boil, finish as per box instructions, adding the turkey (torn in pieces) as you toss the finished dressing.

In your other pan fix the potatoes per box instructions. Add your butter, a packet of salt, and one of pepper from your fast food condiment stash.

Put your potatoes in the bottom of your big bowl. Put the stuff in your other pan on top. Dig in.

Hopefully you will have a six pack of Nat Light to wash it down. Caution; save at least two of the beers to go with your leftovers.

Happy eating!

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Nov 24, 2011, at 10:47 AM

"Faith groups lay out Thanksgiving feast for 'Occupy' protesters"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/11/23/fa...

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Nov 23, 2011, at 7:56 PM

madparent1, sorry for the heat you have taken regarding grammar.

First of all do not stop posting when you have something to say. That is the purpose of this forum.

Please consider doing one simple thing when you post, in order to achieve maximum reader interest. Whenever the direct point you are making, that is when the subject changes, just hit the enter button. It leaves a space between each different point, and people will grasp each of your points without difficulty.

For instance, see how I have done that with my post. Make a point space, make a point space.

When I first started posting here years ago I ignored the enter button. The best of the grammar police, Paulie Walnuts, roundly took me to task, regarding lack of paragraphs (enter button). He was right. My posts got better.

Regrettably, he doesn't post often these days. I was hoping that he might turn on his red light, and siren regarding your post. Nothing like a ticket to slow down speed writing. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Nov 23, 2011, at 7:12 PM

Let the cooking begin!

-- Posted by meagain on Wed, Nov 23, 2011, at 5:08 PM

Like I said, I might be in agreement with madparent1 if I understood the post correctly. I think madparent1 was trying to question the priorities of our school's administration by spending money on sports and resurfacing the track when there is concern of closing a school (ae?) But I had trouble understanding when and where a sentence began and ended.

letmeputitthiswayifthereisnoneedforperiodsorcommasthereisnoreasonforspacesbetweenwordseither

Just so you understand this part of my post I will refer to the old way of typing. Please have a wonderful Thanksgiving!

-- Posted by 1OFTHEGALS on Wed, Nov 23, 2011, at 4:26 PM

I was going to say something about madparent's grammer as well, but it was so strange that I thought it must have been a prank.

I am with 1OfTheGals as well.

-- Posted by Interested Too on Wed, Nov 23, 2011, at 4:21 PM

koeller77

Yeah that's a good one lol.

The same people that beat her and caused her miscarriage are the same people who investigated the beating and concluded there is no supporting evidence.

What's wrong with that picture?

Let me help ya out with this one.

It would be exactly the same if Charles Manson had been the investigator in charge of the Tate - La Bianca murders -- I bet he would have found no evidence to support the accusation that he ordered the murders.

Putting the fox in charge of the chicken-house killings investigation is never a good idea -- nor can the results of such ever be in doubt from the very start.

But here is an interesting observation.

I noticed all the teaparty neocons have gone silent on the "Enforce the Constitution" thing they were babbling about (albeit incoherently) not long ago. Odd that isn't it that the same folks who claimed to have read the Constitution, claimed to have understood what they read, and claimed as one of their party banners a demand that the Constitution be enforced are now completely silent when young people are beaten by brown shirt, cops -- NAZI style -- while doing nothing more but exercising their 1st Amendment rights. This should tell you a lot about the Brown Shirts (police), the 1% politicians controlling the Brown Shirts, and the teaparty which now has nothing to say for our Constitution.

Isn't that special...lol.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Nov 23, 2011, at 3:15 PM

@newsacross:

Just for the record, there are serious questions about the validity of the miscarriage claim.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/lo...

-- Posted by koeller77 on Wed, Nov 23, 2011, at 10:33 AM

1OFTHEGALS,

Really?

-- Posted by momandgramma on Wed, Nov 23, 2011, at 9:39 AM

I'm not talking about full stories on every event right away. As I said in my original post just looking for a score. You don't have to attend an event to find out a score and post a small score update rather than waiting two days later to do a full story. That's what makes an online newspaper so great. Quick updates.

-- Posted by hunterfisher on Tue, Nov 22, 2011, at 11:25 PM

To madparent1: I read your post and might even agree with you. But I had trouble understanding it. I think you are saying something about the school system paying for resurfacing the track and something about having sports. All this while the school administration is complaining about the cost of keeping the "ae" school open. Sorry I didn't understand what you were trying to say, but when I went to school (which was a LONG time ago) I was taught to use commas and periods while writing. I might understand your comments better if maybe wherever you went to school they would have taught you the use of periods and commas too. I am NOT trying to cause any trouble or make fun of you. Like I said, it was a LONG time ago when I went to school and maybe this is how writing is done now.

-- Posted by 1OFTHEGALS on Tue, Nov 22, 2011, at 9:54 PM

"Seattle protester miscarries after police abuse"

"Pregnant Seattle protester miscarries after being kicked, pepper sprayed"

...for exercising her CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS!

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/11/22/pr...

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Nov 22, 2011, at 9:46 PM

i see the marshall school board is at it again i mean spending money they say they dont have here while back they voted to make some spending cuts some was good and others were maybe not so good none were about them i am talking about the ae school again here they had to make some cuts to save the school system from a melt down they said the ae school was costing to much to keep opened it was better for the school if it closed but what about the students was it probally not time will tell every body read all the comments back then but here the school isnt cutting any spending on their sports now are they i am all for sports but why spend all that money on sports when half the student body probally couldnt tell you who george washinton is or who wrote the star spangle banner or what the symbols on our state flag or any state flag mean here they can spend money on resurfacing the track a fairly new one at that but after they made their cuts what did it cost we ask if it cost one dollar it was one dollar to much if you would ask me but here they go again spending that i dont have any money again they said that the ae school was costing them 35.000 to keep open but what did the track cost and i read they are going to the sports complex wow i can only imagine how much that is going to cost i am sure it and the track together would be more than the ae school by far but i bet they never considered about cutting their pay now did they just like congress its always whats good for them and the hell with what got them where they are today a simple EDUCATION you have to have that before you can play sports you need to be able to read before you can open the play book they could have made other cuts if they wanted to and they know that

-- Posted by madparent1 on Tue, Nov 22, 2011, at 6:31 PM

actually, I'm referring to the valley football score, not the soccer score. the journalgazette.net of Ft. Wayne, Indiana had a small paragraph about the game just a few hours after it ended and a full write up on it at 3am Sunday morning. Not bad, not bad at all.

-- Posted by hunterfisher on Tue, Nov 22, 2011, at 6:16 PM

Well, I see in the paper today that the date for elections for city councilpersons is set.

To all who were disappointed with the selection method for city administrator, or concerned about the advertisment for God on the council chambers, here's your chance to do something about it.

Those responsible for these decisions can be held accountable to the public on Tuesday, April 3, 2012.

Interested in getting your hands dirty and getting involved? Make sure you file for candidacy between December 13th and January 17th at the city office building.

Also, if you are interested in diving into the thankless job of school board member, the same filing period applies. Although I have no idea where one goes to file as a candidate for those positions.

I assume the school board election will also be held on April 3, 2012.

Here's your chance to participate in our democracy. I hope to see plenty of good candidates on the ballot and record turn-out at the polls.

However, I won't be holding my breath until that happens.

"All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing" Leo Tolstoy, War and Peace.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Tue, Nov 22, 2011, at 1:11 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Sorry the filing place wasn't listed. I'll add that info to the web versions of the stories and post in the paper tomorrow.

For Marshall city council seats, filing takes place at the City Office Building, 214 N. Lafayette Ave.

For Marshall school board seats, filing takes place at the Central Administration Office, 860 W. Vest St.

pathetic in the fact that once again another paper beat them to news, whether it be sports, politics or anything. it has nothing to do with sports specifically. and yes, the time someone posts something has everything to do with their point.

my world doesn't rise and set on sports, but timely hometown news is important to me. face it, you didn't take into consideration the time of my post and your sarcastic reply was in error.

-- Posted by hunterfisher on Tue, Nov 22, 2011, at 12:40 PM

Afterthought: SC I know you have a full plate, but I enjoy your more fanciful efforts, and look forward to the next. :)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Nov 22, 2011, at 12:22 PM

hunterfisher: This may come as a shock to locals who believe that the sun rises and sets on sports, particularly Valley sports, but there are lots of people in the area who really do not care if they win or lose or if they play any sports at all. Your rather snarky post ("Pathetic," you said)implied the results were not posted at all, which is clearly not the case.

-- Posted by Miss Marple on Tue, Nov 22, 2011, at 12:11 PM

miss marple. i didn't miss anything. i posted that a hours after the game ended saturday afternoon when the other team's paper already had the score up for quite some time. the demo's story didn't appear until monday. i apparently missed nothing.

-- Posted by hunterfisher on Tue, Nov 22, 2011, at 12:02 PM

Thanks SC. I always enjoy when something I do pleases my friends.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Nov 22, 2011, at 10:27 AM

hunterfisher: Valley scores: type Missouri Valley in the search box and you'll find the scores you apparently missed.

-- Posted by Miss Marple on Mon, Nov 21, 2011, at 8:51 PM

"WHAT IF WE ALL STOPPED PAYING TAXES?"

SHARON JONES AND THE DAP-KINGS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MD4d7bel...

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Nov 21, 2011, at 5:26 PM

I'll try again...

There once was a turkey so lean,

on Thanksgiving it would preen.

It wasn't so perky

when it became jerky

and never again was it seen.

;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Nov 21, 2011, at 5:04 PM

Sorry about the extra a

in the first line. Bad proofing on my part. H. T. anyway to all of you. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Nov 21, 2011, at 4:32 PM

If anyone has been watching 60 minutes the past few weeks, they are quitely running stories that show the very reason people are protesting. So far it's been inside information that congressmen use to invest for thier own personal gain and the power of lobbyist Grover Norquist. It's all sad, pathetic and infuriating. Good job 60 minutes and keep it up!

-- Posted by What the f...... on Mon, Nov 21, 2011, at 4:26 PM

Plight of a turkey from a another perspective,

that you might say is entirely subjective.

I don't need dressing my plumage is fine,

don't ruffle my feathers for the day you dine.

Eat tofu, or miso, even rice would be nice,

and you can get them all for half of the price.

Mashed potatoes sculpted into a facsimile bird,

is trendy this year, or hadn't you heard?

I'll tell you now, (you know that I care),

don't eat a turkey tryptophan is in there.

It's a bad drug, to use it is lame,

you'll fall fast asleep and miss the big game.

All of the ladies should also beware

that horrendous drug, forgotten by D.A.R.E.

Long before you can even get out the door,

you'll be snoring away, flat on the floor.

So do not eat turkey, it's in every way bad.

If you must eat flesh there's better to be had.

It pains me to betray my cousin the chicken,

but I hear on authority it is finger lickin.

Then there is pig, either baked, or roasted,

in all the finer places it always is toasted.

I have told you nothing with intent to deceive,

Please this year, just once, give me a reprieve.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Nov 21, 2011, at 4:21 PM

Only in America? Consider this. http://www.democraticunderground.com/dis...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Nov 20, 2011, at 7:05 PM

As we begin Thanksgiving week here are some things to be thankful for; that is if you are progressive populists.

Centerists may also wish to read it, but if so, treat it as a Thanksgiving buffet, devour the things that delight you, sample some others, and just move on past the things that turn your stomach. There is enough to like to be satisfied.

As for you folks on the far right, don't bother to even walk to the table. It will just give you indigestion, high blood pressure, and may even cause you to vomit. ;)

Mark Bittman-"No Turkeys Here" http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/201...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Nov 20, 2011, at 3:39 PM

Yup News Across I watched the Okie State game last night, and the O. U. debacle tonight. It has been a sad crash,and burn weekend for sports minded Oklahomans.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Nov 20, 2011, at 1:03 AM

The struggles of the "near poor"-"New data shows 1 in 3 Americans either in poverty or just above."

http://www.truth-out.org/near-poor-strug...

And you read it on this blog that it is their own darn fault!

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Nov 20, 2011, at 12:57 AM

It's a shame when your local college is in the football playoffs and you have to go to the opposing team's hometown newspaper to find out the final score. Not even a quick blurb, Demo with a score?

Pathetic.

-- Posted by hunterfisher on Sat, Nov 19, 2011, at 6:48 PM

ND,

That is an excellent idea.

But the folks who benefit from the status quo, specifically, the rich fat-cats who laugh all the way to the bank, won't allow that to happen.

And I think most folks know by now that our government is so corrupt that only the fat-cats will be considered.

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Nov 19, 2011, at 6:41 PM

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/45361241/n...

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Nov 19, 2011, at 2:03 AM

OKR,

Did you see this mate?

"BCS chaos! Iowa St. stuns No. 2 Oklahoma St. in 2OT"

WOWEE WOW WOW!!!

I sure do wish I could have been at that game!

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Nov 19, 2011, at 2:03 AM

Gil Scott-Heron - "The Revolution Will Not Be Televised"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGaRtqrlG...

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Nov 18, 2011, at 11:15 PM

Bcat

Yeah. ignore the symptoms and maybe the cause will go away lol lol lol...

That's the ticket!

ROTFLMAO!!!

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Nov 18, 2011, at 10:10 PM

According to the Sedalia Democrat, the "We are the 99%" protest drew a crowd of about a dozen. Perhaps the hundreds who RSVP'd were responding with their "regrets".

-- Posted by Bcat on Fri, Nov 18, 2011, at 7:12 PM

O. K. Deejo. I won't waste your time, nor mine again.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Nov 18, 2011, at 6:28 PM

Jason1969

All Presidential elections occur at the State level.

I would prefer direct Presidential elections but until we change the Constitution, all Presidential elections will continue to occur at the State level.

However, whether the election is by direct popular vote or indirect State elections, it makes no difference as regards the defining element of of a democratic republic.

There are 2 forms of democracy -- (1) direct, absolute majority rule where by the majority will always rules even where such rule may violate the human rights of the minority of that democracy. This form of democracy was the earliest form and was established by Ancient Greeks. The second form (2) of democracy is the democratic republic. It is a democracy in which the minority has specific rights which are superior to the will of the majority -- our Bill of Rights is an excellent example of that. This form of democracy was first practiced in the Ancient Roman Republic and is the form of government meticulously detailed in the Supreme Law of our Nation, the United States Constitution.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Nov 18, 2011, at 6:20 PM

We don't elect our President directly. We vote in an electorial college therefor we are a republic. We do not have governing body saying is it ok to do this? We have a congress that passes laws and that is how we are governed so with that being said we are a republic.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Fri, Nov 18, 2011, at 4:47 PM

In response to Oklahoma Reader "Well DeeJo in case you have not noticed it, ordinary folks means have been shrinking for about thirty years. Makes it kinda hard to not live beyond means". Lets go back when times were really bad Under President Carter...."Inflation and interest rates, both topping 18%, are so far beyond anything that Americans have experienced in peacetime--and so far beyond anything that U.S. financial markets are set up to handle--as to inspire a contagion of fear". Peoples wealth today has fallen because they have bought homes and cars they can not afford. They have smartphones costing $100 a month. The have $100 a month cable bills, notebooks. They want to live like the Jone's so they borrow, borrow, borrow. No wonder the standard of living has gone down is because of greed by the average joe living beyond their means. I get what OWS is it is a BIG JOKE. Wanting to blame others for the mess we all made.

-- Posted by Deejo on Fri, Nov 18, 2011, at 4:37 PM

Well, we are a democratic republic, yes.

A democratic republic is a democracy where the rights of the individual are free from the control of the majority -- a democracy where the individual is free from tyrrany of the majority. It was created by the Romans, and our Founding Fathers attempted to perfect that concept -- I might add they did a darn good job of it.

Surely, you didn't miss the fact that our Founding Fathers created an system that provides for an elected legislature -- elected by the People encased with-in the Article I or the special civil rights provided to protect the individual encased with-in the Bill of Rights did you mate?

Constitution of the United States of America

http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Nov 18, 2011, at 4:02 PM

You all debating like this is a Democracy the USA is not a democracy but a republic. A Republic is representative government ruled by law (the Constitution). A democracy is direct government ruled by the majority (mob rule). A Republic recognizes the inalienable rights of individuals while democracies are only concerned with group wants or needs (the public good).

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Fri, Nov 18, 2011, at 3:52 PM

MU, you and I may have different motivations.

I am motivated by democracy which demands equality in order to work. I am motivated by a desire to see equality in the economic sense as well. We know statistically that that 1.5% of the population owns and controls 98% of the means of production and distribution. We know that the rich have not given the American People a Real Wage increase since before 1978. We know that the income of the wealthy increased dramatically -- setting historic records -- over that same 30+ year period. We know that the rich used those billions of dollars made off the backs of the American Majority to send our manufacturing base to China and permanently eliminating American manufacturing jobs.

That is what we know to be true.

You may be right that they are not as bad as the Robber-Rarrons or you may be wrong. It looks to me like what the 1% have done borders on treason given the enormous threat the destruction of our economy is to our National Security and the future of our Nation.

However, it really doesn't matter because its you and your family who will soon be starving as a result of what the 1% did to all of us. You will understand the situation much more clearly when you belly has been empty for a few days or few weeks. Never-the-less, and despite any permanent discomfort the rich have caused you -- albeit a future effect -- don't worry, the 1% is doing just great and laughing all the way to the bank.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Nov 18, 2011, at 3:43 PM

mu-grad,

This is not about someone who works hard and makes a nice living.It's not even about most millionaires.

We don't hate captialism or profits for that matter. This is about the 1%. This is about the hyper-wealthy who can actually afford to buy governments and manipulate our laws in thier favor. This is about fairness.

I fear you have totally missed the point.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, Nov 18, 2011, at 1:00 PM

They have bought Congress, The Presidency, and the Supreme Court for starters Mu-Grad. Perhaps you are content with being a second class citizen behind the bloodless, corporate citizen whose only concern, no make that compulsion, is make more money at any necessary cost.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Nov 18, 2011, at 11:58 AM

What exactly have the people who make money in America done wrong? I don't believe they are like the rich of the "Gilded Age".

-- Posted by mu-grad on Fri, Nov 18, 2011, at 11:24 AM

Clarification, that is the sound bite that will be pushed by the robber barons, and their guppies.

It does not excuse the unconscionably rich. Maybe we should be saying the "Five Hundred Felons" instead of "one percenters".

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Nov 18, 2011, at 10:36 AM

Your resource states "top one percenters made 960,000.00". Gal66 don't you find that just a bit disingenuous? Naw, I am going to go ahead, and say it. That is a flat out lie. Whoever twisted the stats for us to swallow must think folks are really stupid. Read it again, the inference is that there are no millionaires. Do you really belief that?

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Nov 18, 2011, at 10:27 AM

Think there are any 1%'s here in Marshall?

-- Posted by Gal66 on Fri, Nov 18, 2011, at 10:06 AM

Think it takes a million bucks to make it into the Top 1% of American taxpayers?

"NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- Think it takes a million bucks to make it into the Top 1% of American taxpayers?

Think again. In 2009, it took just $343,927 to join that elite group, according to newly released statistics from the Internal Revenue Service.

Occupy Wall Street protesters have been railing against the Top 1%, trying to raise anger and awareness of the growing economic gap between the rich and everybody else in America.

But just who are these fortunate folks at the top of the income ladder?

Well, there were just under 1.4 million households that qualified for entry. They earned nearly 17% of the nation's income and paid roughly 37% of its income tax.

Collectively, their adjusted gross income was $1.3 trillion. And while $343,927 was the minimum AGI to be included, on average, Top 1-percenters made $960,000."

http://money.cnn.com/2011/10/20/news/eco...

-- Posted by Gal66 on Fri, Nov 18, 2011, at 10:04 AM

One last thought before I hit the sack.

The Tea Partiers are also yellin ow! They are just lookin in a different direction for right now, yellin at the government that is.

Once they get it figured out that the government is owned by Wall Street (Wall Street in the broader sense), that is the direction they too will be expressing their pain. Maybe at that point the two groups will come together, maybe it won't be the TP and OWS anymore, just one big ole group of angry, hurtin folks yellin oooow! in the right direction, Maybe even calling the combined group... OW!

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Nov 18, 2011, at 1:14 AM

"It is not the greed from the 1%, it is the greed from everyday people living beyond their means."-DeeJo

Well DeeJo in case you have not noticed it, ordinary folks means have been shrinking for about thirty years. Makes it kinda hard to not live beyond means. Follow me carefully here:

1. Property taxes up, home insurance up, governmental fees and licenses up, medical costs up, car insurance up, gasoline up, food prices up, in short everything you must pay for, every year...UP!

2.Wages down, every year down. Even if you get a little raise (most don't) say 3%, inflation of 3% means no real wage increase. Even "go getters" ain't gettin much. "Go Getter" earns a promotion gets himself a 5% raise, feels pretty dang good about himself. Three years into the promotion, no more raises, dang if he ain't back makin less than he did before he got the promotion, and doin more work on top of it. Go figure.

Got it? I thought so. Nuff said.

Oh yeh, just one other little thing. There's a lot of fellers just like you that don't get what OWS is tryin to say. You folks say they got no message. I'm a thinkin that they oughter shorten their name, make it real simple. Just drop that S off the end of the word. Call the movement Ow! That's what they're sayin, ow. Defined: used to express pain.

Got it? I thought so.See ya down the road. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Nov 18, 2011, at 12:47 AM

Middle class areas are shrinking as the income gap grows. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/16/us/mid...

Is this true of middle class areas in Marshall as it is in the cities? When I have been in my old home town over...let's say the last ten years, or so it seems to me that some of the older areas of town that used to be made up of modest, but well kept, i. e. lower middle class to middle class homes, now appear to be mostly poorly maintained dwellings marked by the beat up cars parked around them.

Are their fewer people making the daily work commute to the Kansas City metro area, and bringing home union wages pay checks? Have slum lords bought up the houses as the old owners died off, letting maintenance go? Are inflation adjusted local wages lower than they were when the houses were owner occupied back when? Is there a market for modest first time buyer new homes in Marshall? Is there a market for "fix er up" first time buyer homes?

Is it all of the above plus other things? It saddens me to see the old town decaying from neglect.

Was a time when one drove down S. English, or Ellsworth to a view of manicured lawns, fresh paint, decent cars, and people busily working on their lawns, and houses.

Watcha think?

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Nov 17, 2011, at 11:42 PM

"Its time to take greed head on and to take the income our country back from the 1% richest people in the U.S." It is not the greed from the 1%, it is the greed from everyday people living beyond their means. OWS is a joke!

-- Posted by Deejo on Thu, Nov 17, 2011, at 9:25 PM

If anybody would like to attend there is protest planned in Sedalia. This is a " We are the 99%" rally at 5th and Ohio street Thursday night at 5:30. There have been a few hundred people RSVP for this event. Hopefully there is an even better turnout than expected. Its time to take greed head on and to take the income our country back from the 1% richest people in the U.S.

-- Posted by cheesehead on Wed, Nov 16, 2011, at 9:47 PM

"Vigilante Man" - Woody Guthrie

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcKbeSPE-...

I bet Woody had someone just like disgraced Mayor Bloomberg in mind when he wrote this one.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Nov 16, 2011, at 7:54 PM

Anyone know when Saline County will be getting WIMAX or 4G internet? Notice Pettis County already has WIMAX through Iland...any reason why we aren't as tech savy to have it here?

-- Posted by DAgates on Wed, Nov 16, 2011, at 5:03 PM

Former Saline Countian KC Moore in the news:

http://www.sedaliademocrat.com/articles/...

-- Posted by Eric Crump on Wed, Nov 16, 2011, at 4:55 PM

Any new information or any at all about the fire in Carroll County that killed a former Saline County citizen?

-- Posted by momof3girls on Wed, Nov 16, 2011, at 3:36 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
None.

"Middle-class areas shrink as America divides into 'two-tiered society' of rich and poor"

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45319319/ns/...

This constitutes an increase in the rate of worsening conditions which will mean a increase in public unrest equal to or greater than the rate of increase of the causation.

Or simply put, its time for some serious change in how our Nation operates.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Nov 16, 2011, at 5:28 AM

At what point do people in this country start getting worried about our Democracy? We all need to stand up for the right to protest! Its sad when the Police are allowed to beat up journalists and protesters. The people need to take the power back.

-- Posted by cheesehead on Tue, Nov 15, 2011, at 8:05 PM

"Public Citizen president: 'Occupy' movement is just getting started"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/11/15/pu...

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Nov 15, 2011, at 5:53 PM

Of course Woody Guthrie had a better way to say all that long-winded stuff I had to say, but he kept it simple and put it in the form of music...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwcKwGS7O...

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Nov 14, 2011, at 4:19 PM

TerryM

Yeah I have heard the "ignore it and it will go away" argument before, but that doesn't often work well when it comes to public discontent. Ignoring the problem is an unrealistic approach that does nothing to improve the situation.

As an Economist, I view it from the perspective of cause and effect. The cause is an economy in which 1% of our population own and control over 98.5% of the means of production and distribution. Under the watch of this 1% minority, Real Wages (the total income in terms of the package of goods and services the income will purchase in a 1 year period for each specific employment position category) have remained flat for over 30 years (in other words a mechanic, an office manager, or a store clerk, as examples, are making the same Real Wage they would have made 30 years ago, in the same employent position, and every point in between -- no Real Wage increases in over 30 years for the 99%). The rich have moved most of our manufacturing -- and the jobs -- to China. The Middle Class is shrinking fast, deflation continues to rage the economy, and poverty is growing at a highly accelerated rate. a The rich are making record-breaking incomes and laughing all the way to the bank while the 99% majority suffers increasingly difficult hardships.

That is the cause.

The effect is mass public discontent.

3rd Class Coach Theory is all about that cause and effect mate. The model is well supported by the empirical evidence encapsulated with-in the historical record. The model predicted the current unrest and it predicts that as the root cause, worsening economic conditions, continued American imperialism, and the suppression of human rights in the USA, worsen, so too will the effect -- increasing public discontent which will manifest itself in the form of increasingly more violent demonstrations -- aka, "cities on fire." If left to continue to worsen, 3rd Class Coach Theory predicts the movement can, and often does, ultimately become open revolution.

Perhaps in a perfect World such cause and effect would not dictate the direction of events. However, in the real World, cause and effect dictate everything. We can try to ignore the reality of the situation, pretend its not even happening...but it is happening. Until the underlying cause is addressed, we can only expect the public dissent to increase -- whether we are paying attention or not.

Ignoring the effect does nothing to address the cause.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Nov 14, 2011, at 4:01 PM

TerryM,

They want the powers that be to give a ****.

What more do you need to know.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Mon, Nov 14, 2011, at 3:44 PM

NewsAcross, as I see it there are some 'fine lines' that are being laid out by at least some of the government officials that are being ignored by some commentators. I'm in St. Louis, so I see the Occupy St. Louis stuff on the local news.

The local Occupy group was told that it was against the park rules to erect tents, etc. for overnight camping, but they put them up anyway. They were told that the park itself closes at a certain hour and they could move their protest group onto the bordering sidewalk and continue their protest all night, if they wished, but they stayed inside the park boundaries.

After weeks of trying to work with the Occupy group to maintain order and minimize the appearance of suppression of free speech, the City of St. Louis finally gave up last weekend and physically removed the tents and people that remained in the park after a final and specific warning to move out of the park. In the process, those that wished to continue protesting were allowed to move to the sidewalk and continue. Those that did not move to the sidewalk were removed as trespassers.

There was no attempt to stop the protest per se, only to get the protesters to follow basic rules regarding the administration of public property. Overnight camping is not permitted, and was stopped. The park closing time was enforced. There was no attempt made to stop the protesters from assembling on the always-open public sidewalk, which some of the protesters did.

Early in the protest, the group frequently marched up and down the streets of downtown, past the Federal Reserve Bank and downtown brokerage offices and banks. The city police department worked with them to ensure that traffic was not unreasonably impeded and the safety of both the marchers and the rest of the public was protected. It was only after repeated refusal of the protesters to follow some reasonable rules that arrests were finally made.

I don't know what has been happening in other cities. Until Occupy has some more coherent goals, I don't intend to pay a whole lot more attention to them than what I have to date.

-- Posted by TerryM on Mon, Nov 14, 2011, at 12:55 PM

Congrats to Valley.

Hosting the first round game this Saturday!

-- Posted by Interested Too on Sun, Nov 13, 2011, at 7:05 PM

If you saw 60 minutes tonite, that's why OWS is protesting.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Sun, Nov 13, 2011, at 6:23 PM

Okla: I do like the subject matter on Buzzflash!I like to see if i can check them out for accuracy ,if i can find anything. Im not that good at it yet! Thanks my friend!

-- Posted by Jo on Sat, Nov 12, 2011, at 9:55 PM

"Iraq vet: Getting veterans involved in 'Occupy' adds a powerful voice"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/11/12/ir...

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Nov 12, 2011, at 3:29 PM

"Colin Powell: Occupy movement 'is as American as apple pie'"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/11/11/co...

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Nov 12, 2011, at 5:08 AM

I just asked if you was ever wrong news.

Now for me I am wrong way more than I am right.

-- Posted by parkuser on Fri, Nov 11, 2011, at 11:11 PM

koeller77

Ok, great mate.

Now show me where in my argument -- that the right to protest is superior to state statutes and local ordinances that ban the free public expression or have the effect of silencing the message of protesters, and is based in our well established traditions of civil disobedience (and even greater protection under the California Constitution as well).

Where am I wrong mate?

Show me where my argument collapses. Get right on down to the niddy-griddy mate.

You may want to read the following Supreme Court Precedents before you respond.

(1) Edward F. Kinane, et al v. United States

http://www.law.com/jsp/tal/PubArticleTAL...

(2) Snyder v Phelps, 2010

http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/10p...

(3) COATES v. CITY OF CINCINNATI, 402 U.S. 611 (1971)

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/ge...

(4) POLICE DEPARTMENT OF CHICAGO v. MOSLEY, 408 U.S. 92 (1972)

408 U.S. 92

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/ge...

(5) Brandenburg v. Ohio, 1969, 395 U.S. 444

http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/hi...

(6) Edwards v. South Carolina (1963)

http://supreme.justia.com/us/372/229/

(7) Thornhill v. Alabama (1940)

http://supreme.justia.com/us/310/88/case...

(8) Hague v. C.I.O. (1939)

http://supreme.justia.com/us/307/496/cas...

(9) DEJONGE V. OREGON, 299 U. S. 353 (1937)

http://supreme.justia.com/us/299/353/

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Nov 11, 2011, at 9:56 PM

Parkuser...thanks for reminding me that I shouldn't feed the troll! LOL! Yes, news is frequently wrong, such as calling me, a woman, "fella" and assuming I don't grasp the basic tenets of our laws and founding principles. Most of my history and polisci teachers in college would disagree, but that's okay. He's a legend in his own mind and entitled to his opinion, just like me, no matter how upside down it is from living "down under".

-- Posted by koeller77 on Fri, Nov 11, 2011, at 8:17 PM

Penn State

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Nov 11, 2011, at 8:07 PM

Jo check out the following link. I think you are going to like it. It has up to date stories on many of the things that interest you, including the treatment of our war dead. http://classic.buzzflash.com/

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Nov 11, 2011, at 7:17 PM

parkuser

Oh about average on the right, wrong, and inbetween mate.

How about you?

Anyway, so, where in my argument am I wrong. Have at it and point out how I am all wrong. I am from Missouri mate, you will have to "Show Me" -- and please, be specific.

Where is my argument incorrect? After all, an argument either can stand on its own merits or it can't.

Show me where my argument is incorrect, mate.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Nov 11, 2011, at 6:42 PM

News,Okla,Nana or anyone else that finds anything on the mishandling of American Vets bodies,i would appreciate the link.Its **** funny you don't see any of it now on World News! Thanks!

-- Posted by Jo on Fri, Nov 11, 2011, at 6:26 PM

I am sure glad that was the last thing news!!!!!

By the way news have you ever been wrong?

-- Posted by parkuser on Fri, Nov 11, 2011, at 6:04 PM

One last thing...

...it occurs to me that when a person does not understand the events that lead up to our American Revolution and cannot support the sacrifices our Founding Fathers made in the name of freedom, he or she cannot possibly even begin to understand the principles of human rights, freedom, and liberty that those brave Americans died for.

If a fella has already decided that the Founding Fathers were wrong from the very first act of civil disobedience then it becomes pointless to expect that same individual to grasp the principles behind such acts.

Fortunately, the Occupy Movement will continue until the rich do the right thing and start listening to the People -- the 99% of the United States of America -- and this despite the handful of supporters of the richest 1% opposition to Occupy's exercise in freedom.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Nov 11, 2011, at 3:26 PM

Frankly mate, I think the problem is not that you don't understand that the protesters right to assemble and exercise their right to free speech is superior to any federal, state, or local ordinance.

Rather, I think you disagree with the message and want to shut them down and prevent the message from getting out -- much like the Red Coats in Boston.

That kind of thing is just down right unAmerican.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Nov 11, 2011, at 2:52 PM

koeller77

Regarding the Boston Massacre. The British authorities shot and killed the American Colonialists who had gathered in a public place to air their grievences against the government. They were not violent. The protesters where excercising their human right to free speech. The Red Coats ordered them out of the square. The protesters refused and the Red Coats fired their weapons at the crowd of Americans killing at least 5 of them. They are regarded as American Patriots and heros by everyone but you mate.

The Boston Tea Party was not violent. The American Patriots dressed up in Native American garb and boarded a ship that was empty of crew. They made a lot of noise, threw some crates of British tea into the Boston Harbor. Not that big a deal except that it was US who were protesting the British oppression in the American Colonies.

You may not admire the sacrifices of our Founding Fathers -- as you have stated -- but rest assured mate, the rest of us -- every other American -- do admire our Founding Fathers sacrifices made for our freedom and to ensure our liberty.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Nov 11, 2011, at 2:46 PM

koeller77

Ok I think I see what the problem is. I have not been clear on the legalities.

The Constitution is the supreme law of the United States. It is superior to all federal laws, state laws, county ordinances, and city ordinances. Any federal, state or local law that conflicts with the Constitution is not a law and does not have to be observed.

That is the situation we have. A local ordinance says the protesters cannot stay there over night. The 1st Amendment says they can stay there over night. The Constitution is supreme over the ordinance.

So the protesters are not in violation of any ordinance or local law or state statute because the supreme law of the land, as interpreted by the Supreme Court, says they have the right to protest in any public place. There are no time limits in the 1st Amendment.

The police attacked them because they refused to leave the public place. The police attacked them to stop their assembly. The police have no right to attack them.

I hope that clears up the legalities for you.

If you would like to see the case law (Supreme Sourt decisions) regarding the 1st Amendment right to protest, please let me know and I would be happy to post the links to the case decisions in my next comment.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Nov 11, 2011, at 2:37 PM

@news - Yes, a biased source, showing a mere 2 minute of video, and not explaining that they were told NOT to set up camp. They were also asked several times to take down the camp, and that a camp had already been dismantled and then re-set up. Dude, there's peacefully protesting, and then there's actively ignoring what you've been told by the administration and the police. That's just stupid.

As to my opinion of the actions of the Tea Party - you'll please note that Benjamin Franklin himself, insisted that the cost of the tea repaid, so he clearly didn't agree with it either.

My opinion on the Tea Party & the Massacre doesn't reveal anything about me other than I abhor violence & destruction as a means to an end. And that's what YOU continue to promote.

-- Posted by koeller77 on Fri, Nov 11, 2011, at 8:19 AM

Well done, Selmac! If only more people could understand those words and take them to heart.

-- Posted by Slater on Fri, Nov 11, 2011, at 8:06 AM

Didn't this same deputy have some anger issues while employed in Slater?

-- Posted by Jessa on Fri, Nov 11, 2011, at 7:57 AM

The unrest in our nation today obviously has many causes. The main focus on assigning the blame is, as always, directed at politicians and now the bankers/traders/wheeler dealers are getting their share of the heat. It dawns on me the problem starts right here at home. You, me, almost everyone is lax in selecting the right person(s) to represent us politically. The low percentage of voters exercising their voting rights is pathetic.

Locally, most often the right people are chosen as our representatives. Jump to the state level and things start going Dixie. We, as a people, just do not always send the right people to be our representatives. This is a grass-roots problem and I don't see it changing much in the near future.

The campaign process starts as soon as a person is elected. They all want another term. I want my representative to pay attention to what is the right thing to do and not what is correct politically. I want my representative to be for the people, you and me; not the big campaign contributors.

Is this "old school" way of thinking?

-- Posted by red dog on Fri, Nov 11, 2011, at 7:49 AM

If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the few who are rich.

John F. Kennedy

Words Spoken by one of the GREATEST Presidents the U.S.A. has ever had.

-- Posted by Selmac8 on Fri, Nov 11, 2011, at 1:30 AM

Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.

John F. Kennedy

-- Posted by Selmac8 on Fri, Nov 11, 2011, at 1:27 AM

koeller77

I am sorry to hear the actions our Founding Fathers utilized for our benefit, to guarantee our freedom, and to guarantee our liberty, and not to mention winning our independence, is not to your liking. You are the first of my fellow Americans, in all my many years as an American, to tell me you do not support our Founding Fathers doing what had to be done to ensure you would live in freedom. That is most unusual mate. Its also most revealing.

But on to more important matters,

As to your other comment...

Biased source? A video is like a picture mate -- worth a thousand words.

Dang my lying eyes.

The police attack was also confirmed by your link as well.

Let's hope the rich tyrants and their supporters will soon figure out such police attacks upon the protesters violate the law, the Constitution (Amendment 1, right to protest, et al), and our historic traditions of freedom and liberty, and no police officer is entitled to break our laws.

In addition, the results of such attacks on the People don't bode well for our Nation. For such attacks on the People by this small, but determined class of filthy rich and their mouthpieces only invite the People to increase their determination -- no matter what the odds. As 3rd Class Coach Theory states, when the masses have lost all hope, they don't mind giving up their lives too as long as they can take the rich with them -- at least that is what the empirical evidence, encapsulated with-in the historical record, demonstrates.

One thing remains true, in the end the People always win, if for no other reason, due simply to their numbers. All the bullets in the country are not enough to kill the 99% of America -- and eventually they may start shooting back (see American Revolution for more on that).

Sadly, its all really unnecessary.

We have so much empirical evidence supporting the 3rd Class Coach Theory of Economics that predicting the future and direction of such a grass-roots movement as the Occupy movement, based upon that well supported model, is realtively easy, and we can say with relative accuracy that worsening conditions (cause) will result in increased violence on both sides (effect). Such is the nature of mass discontent. However, given that we can reasonably predict the results of worsening conditions, we could take steps now to head off a violent end, an end with the rich dying on the guillotine as so many did in the French Revolution. We have time now to take steps to respond in a positive way to the People.

We can start listening to them, for a change.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Nov 10, 2011, at 10:37 PM

Dear Eric,

May I ask why my post was deleted please? Was not anything of .....

"Refrain from obscenity in your comments, and to keep discussions civil, don't say anything in a way your grandmother would be ashamed to read"

Basically same as anyone else in here asking about the deputy and his job position? I was asking of that and his soon to be next job ??

-- Posted by momandgramma on Thu, Nov 10, 2011, at 7:03 PM

@RedDog & Smokin' Cheetah -

I think I may have googled the wrong Saline County, LOL! I was wondering where Wally's picture was.

SC - I think you're right about the dangerous combination

RedDog - certainly, if he can't carry a weapon, I don't see how he'll stay a deputy. The only thing I can figure is maybe he'll be put on permanent desk duty?

-- Posted by koeller77 on Thu, Nov 10, 2011, at 4:39 PM

And....telling the WHOLE story about Occupy Berkely from an unbiased source (The AP):

http://www.newser.com/article/d9qu0f882/...

-- Posted by koeller77 on Thu, Nov 10, 2011, at 4:37 PM

"Video of police attack on peaceful protesters at Occupy Berkeley"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/11/10/vi...

'Nough said...

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Nov 10, 2011, at 4:14 PM

Bye the bye. The last case I know of did involve a person involved in law enforcement.

-- Posted by red dog on Thu, Nov 10, 2011, at 3:15 PM

I believe you will find that any law enforcement officer convicted of domestic violence at any level is no longer allowed to carry a firearm. That is the State law as I remember it.

It may be possible for his sentence to be suspended and wiped out after a probation term (SIS). I am not sure what happens if the judge decides to go this route, but the conviction will no longer be a part of the public record.

It has happened in this county before. In the last case I know of, the conviction was for a felony other than domestic violence. The suspended sentence/probation was served and the conviction wiped out.

-- Posted by red dog on Thu, Nov 10, 2011, at 3:12 PM

@Jessa - I believe that the deputy's continued employment has to do with the fact that he was charged with a misdemeanor, rather than a felony. An Alford plea is still fundamentally a guilty plea. With an Alford plea, you're saying "I'm innocent, but the prosecutors have enough to convict me." I believe it's the equivalent of a "no contest plea" up here in Wisconsin, where you are still sentenced, and processed as if you had either pled guilty or been found guilty in a court of law.

-- Posted by koeller77 on Thu, Nov 10, 2011, at 1:42 PM

tigger,

Um, that is only for a select few. Basically, a member of law enforcement.

-- Posted by Jessa on Thu, Nov 10, 2011, at 11:42 AM

@news - Clearly, you and I have different world views. As to your reference to the Boston Tea Party - uh, no, I don't think it was the write thing to do. I don't support those type of actions, even though the end result was, of course, the founding of our country. As to the Boston Massacre, you'll please recall that the soldiers fired without orders, and of course, that 13 people were later charged with murder as a result, although I believe some were acquitted.

The point is this, news - the ends do NOT justify the means, not when the means is violent. Clearly, not all police are trained in inciting violence, or there would be FAR more violent acts in the Occupy movement. Instead, they appear to be somewhat isolated events, with the majority of the protestors assembling peaceably.

You can feel free to keep posting historical references, if you'd like, but really? You'll just be talking to yourself.

-- Posted by koeller77 on Thu, Nov 10, 2011, at 8:41 AM

Check it out! Darla Arni featured in a CNN piece:

http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/09/health/kee...

-- Posted by Eric Crump on Wed, Nov 9, 2011, at 9:45 PM

Eric,

I will ask again. Is the deputy still employed??

-- Posted by Jessa on Wed, Nov 9, 2011, at 7:22 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
I believe so, yes.

I am headed to the bar this weekend! May even start one of those bar brawls like I've seen on the movie roadhouse! If the cops come after me I'll just run! A slap on the wrist I hear!

-- Posted by tigger2118 on Wed, Nov 9, 2011, at 5:00 PM

It looks like things are getting pretty rough with those protests up there in Boston.

Today 5 people were killed when they refused to disperse. They were ordered to remain peaceful but apparently some of the protesters decided to get all up in the face of the Boston authorities -- and they managed to get themselves killed doing it.

You can read about it here:

"Boston Massacre"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Mass...

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Nov 9, 2011, at 2:57 PM

Hey koeller...did you hear about that latest act of violence?

It looks like up there in Boston A bunch of those protesters dressed up as Native Americans, climb the side of a ship, and began destroying and throwing the tea the ship was carrying into the harbor -- and then they had the nerve to call it a protest.

"Boston Tea Party"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Tea_...

Can you believe the nerve of those guys? What did the owner of all that tea and that ship ever do to the protesters?

Yeah sometimes protesters can really get out of hand, right koeller? I feel quite certain you would never support that.

(lol)

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Nov 9, 2011, at 2:33 PM

koeller77

I guess you missed the part where I said that police riots do not negate the right of the people to protest -- ever.

Did you think the police riot tactic was something new? -- a new trick the cops had just come up with? lol lol lol...see the Chicago Police Riot, 1968 for more on that.

The cops know exactly how to charge and attack a crowd -- they are very well trained to do so -- and when the tyrant gives the police the order, they attack. Then they blame the protesters. The police riots we have seen lately are nothing new. They do this anytime the tyrant does not like the message.

Never-the-less, thus far this has gone exactly as the 3rd Class-Coach Model predicts. When folks are attacked by the police and denied their Constitutional right to demonstrate, the next step is cities on fire. Its not what any of us want, it sure isn't what the protesters want, but it is all the People have left when the rich have taken all hope away. See the French Revolution, the Russian Revolution, and the Chinese Revolution for more on this.

In the meantime, the Occupy Movement isn't going away, but one thing is for sure, things can get a whole lot worse --especially for the rich and the tyrants who defend them and empower them.

How sad it is that those who fail to learn history's lessons are indeed doomed to re-live it.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Nov 9, 2011, at 2:23 PM

ND I do not doubt that some police officers have over done it, hell I am sure of it.

In the rubber bullet video that now they are not even sure was a rubber bullet (beanbag) from what I can see the police officer was wrong, but I will say this you or I neither one are sure what we saw was all there was to that episode.

In my opinion I think it is wrong to say the vast majority of the violence has been provoked, initiated or prolonged by police actions.

Let me ask you another question.

Lets say right here in Marshall a group of people are holding a protest up on the square and the protest spills out into the street blocking the flow of traffic.

Do the police have the right to ask the people to leave the street?

If they do not leave the street and start throwing rocks and bottles at the police do the police have the authority to use not lethal means to remove said offenders?

-- Posted by Gal66 on Wed, Nov 9, 2011, at 1:53 PM

Eric,

Is the deputy still employeed???

-- Posted by Jessa on Wed, Nov 9, 2011, at 12:55 PM

ND YOU POSTED "but the vast majority of the violence has been provoked, initiated or prolonged by police actions."

Are you saying that the police are provoking or initiating the violence at the vast majority of these occupy protests?

-- Posted by Gal66 on Wed, Nov 9, 2011, at 12:31 PM

@news - from your own quote: "the right of the people peaceably to assemble" I think that speaks for itself. If the assembly is not PEACEABLE, it's not covered by the Constitution, and years of judicial decisions support that.

@Nana - I found the same as Gal66.

Here's my point, though, which news missed: We talk about police brutality at these protests (when the protests turn violent), but we fail to remember that while violence is never the answer, our country takes steps to limit what happens to said violent protestors. In many countries, they'd just fire regular bullets into the crowd and kill people. Or run tanks over people who stand in their way.

Whether you like it or not, news, the facts remain that while many Occupy protests have remained peaceful, and they have a right to both protest and "Occupy" (within reason), there are protests that have turned violent - and you can't blame it all on the cops, no matter how hard you try.

-- Posted by koeller77 on Wed, Nov 9, 2011, at 10:06 AM

ND not all rubber bullets are rubber-COATED metal bullets in fact I have only been able to find either solid or hollow rubber ones nothing coated metal.

Now I am not saying they are not out there I was just not able to find any.

-- Posted by Gal66 on Wed, Nov 9, 2011, at 7:47 AM

Uh...no red dog.

But I support your right to protest, in public, for as long as you want. I support the Constitution. I support the rule of law. I support our Founding Fathers and the democratic republic and principles of human rights they fought for and established. I support freedom. I support liberty. I support truth and justice, and I support the 99%.

How about you mate?

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Nov 9, 2011, at 3:00 AM

Sounds like Newsacross wants to revitalize the Spirit of '76. Do I take it he supports another Revolutionary War?

-- Posted by red dog on Tue, Nov 8, 2011, at 8:28 PM

Oh and one last comment regarding the legality of the government to limit the protests and as to the legality of city ordinances, county ordinances, or state statutes that restrict the 1st and 14th Amendment rights of the Occupy protest movement. The Supreme Court says those laws are invalid because they violate the right of the People to assemble publically.

You will find the precedent setting Supreme Court decision here:

COATES v. CITY OF CINCINNATI, 402 U.S. 611 (1971)

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/ge...

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Nov 8, 2011, at 8:26 PM

Lest we forget Our Own history of protest and the Founding Fathers who were the occupiers of their time...

"The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it to be always kept alive. It will often be exercised when wrong, but better so than not to be exercised at all. I like a little rebellion now and then."

Thomas Jefferson

"Should I keep back my opinions at such a time, through fear of giving offense, I should consider myself as guilty of treason towards my country, and of an act of disloyalty toward the Majesty of Heaven, which I revere above all earthly kings..."

Patrick Henry

"Justice will not be served until those who are unaffected are as outraged as those who are."

Benjamin Franklin

"...a Constitution of Government once changed from Freedom, can never be restored. Liberty, once lost, is lost forever."

John Adams

And lets not forget how proud we all are of those brave American Colonialists who dared to rebel against the Government by dressing as Native Americans and "throwing" a little tea party for the King.

Those brave Americans all over the Country involved in the Occupy movement are there doing exactly what our Founding Fathers did -- exercising the Right of the People to assert Their authority over, and rightful ownership of, the government and to "petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Nov 8, 2011, at 4:20 PM

CORRECTION:

In my comment below there is a typo. The quote is from Amendment I -- not II as I inadvertently allowed to slip through my proof reading.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Nov 8, 2011, at 3:24 PM

also,

Police riots do not negate the right of the People to protest.

Police riots (where the police incite the crowed with violence or threats of violence) are unlawful acts of violence against the People.

Either these police will comply with our Constitution and obey our laws or We the People will see to it their employment is terminated.

Never forget who is in charge in this Country in the end mate -- the People.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Nov 8, 2011, at 1:39 PM

koeller77

Rubber bullets have killed before. The level of police assault does not lesson the fact that an assault has occured.

That's one point.

Here is another.

The Constitution of the USA is the supreme law of the land. It trumps any federal laws, state laws, and local laws -- there are no if, ands, or buts about that.

Any law that conflicts with any part of that Constitution is not a law.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

United States Constitution, Amendment II

http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html...

In particular, please note the last portion of the Amendment.

The right of the protesters to demonstrate is absolute. It trumps and negates any laws or regulations that would prevent the People from exercising this right. Any attempt to break up or end the Peoples' Protest is unlawful and a serious violation of the rights of all Americans.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Nov 8, 2011, at 1:34 PM

@newsacross:

With all due respect to those that have been injured with the Occupy movement, I think it needs to be pointed out that at least in this country, protesters who don't comply with what police have asked are shot with rubber bullets - not real ones.

Also, they don't typically just start shooting at people who have complied with what the police have requested. We have a right in this country to peaceful demonstration - not riots.

-- Posted by koeller77 on Tue, Nov 8, 2011, at 8:16 AM

I did OKR. I was sitting in my recliner and it rocked sideways a half dozen times. I froze wondering if I had somehow caused it myself. Looked at the dining room light and found that it was swaying. Then my chair shook sideways another half dozen times.

-- Posted by the view from the square on Tue, Nov 8, 2011, at 6:49 AM

It again got shaky here tonight. Anyone feel it in Marshall?

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Nov 8, 2011, at 12:19 AM

"Watch: 'Occupy Oakland' protester shot by rubber bullet while filming cops"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/11/07/wa...

They are now shooting at the People for exercising their Constitutional rights.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Nov 7, 2011, at 4:36 PM

"IT'S GETTING WORSE

Study: Record number of Americans in poverty"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/11/07/re...

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/U...

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Nov 7, 2011, at 3:36 PM

Thought I was crazy Sat. night, had just went to bed, dozed off to sleep, my bed started shaking like crazy, I sit up in bed, thought someone was shaking it, knowing there was no one in my house.

I was not going to tell anybody for fear of being laughed at. My brother Sun. morning while having breakfast at Micey D. said did you feel that earthquake last night ?? I really shook my bed. I heard about it on t.v. this morning, I had to say Thank You Lord I wasn't crazy after all.

I never experienced anything like it before and hope never to again. I live in the south part of town about 3 blocks from McDonalds.

-- Posted by buttons on Mon, Nov 7, 2011, at 3:03 PM

Thanks ND. No physical damage to our immediate environs from this one. My sense of security now has a few cracks. ;)

There has been a huge increase in the number, and severity of earthquakes around here in the last couple of years. Thus I am calling my insurance carrier today to purchase earthquake insurance.

Around here it may be that "frackin" becomes as ugly a word, and as oft used as the original f word, and its euphemisms "friggin", and others.

Use of the two together may become common place "friggin frackin", and somewhat of a redundacy. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Nov 7, 2011, at 11:45 AM

Better half asked me if I felt the shakin my questions was what shakin......LOL.

Here sister called here just after she felt it so I know of 3 people (Smokin' Cheetah, my better half and her sister) that felt here.

Anyone else?

-- Posted by Gal66 on Mon, Nov 7, 2011, at 7:36 AM

Oh, well, OKR, I feel certain you have nothing to worry about.

Why just look at the Gulf of Mexico for example. Its almost like nothing ever happened. BP oil spill? What BP oil spill?

Yes, nothing at all to worry about OKR.

(lol)

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Nov 7, 2011, at 12:31 AM

Funny ND that why did it happen, has not appeared as a theory, nor even a question anywhere in, or on the local media.

They have answered when, and where, but how, and why are no longer part of the news process around here.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Nov 6, 2011, at 10:47 PM

Actually News I just did a bit of online sleuthing regarding the earthquakes. I found out that the site of the quake was in Lincoln County at an area called the Wilzetta Fault, or the Seminole Uplift.

It was a major oil field in the 1920s, and 1930s, on one day in that time period one fifth of the oil produced in the U. S. that day was from that little field. The field produced for a long time.

Would you believe that the Seminole Uplift is now being revisited for natural gas extraction via hydraulic fracturing? Is there a correlation between that, and the earthquake originating there?

Well, I am not going to hold my breath until the state's leading newspaper (Daily Oklahoman) takes a run at the story. Among other unsavory things that paper is a lap dog of the oil, and gas industry. In fact the bit I have done tonight is probably as close to investigative journalism this occurence is gonna see in Oklahoma. %*&@!%!

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Nov 6, 2011, at 1:43 AM

Not much News, it was probably just a little frack crack, or should I say frack attack. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Nov 6, 2011, at 12:48 AM

Right on Cheesehead,

WE ARE THE 99%!!

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Nov 6, 2011, at 12:33 AM

Hey OKR, what's shaken mate?

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Nov 6, 2011, at 12:22 AM

Evenin SC. :O

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Nov 6, 2011, at 12:18 AM

Whole lot of shakin goin on. earthquakes here in the wee morning hours, then again within the last hour. The one shortly after 2:00 a.m. shook my bed. I didn't tell any one because I thought I may have become delusional in my dotage. The one that just struck shook the house pretty good, and made my furnace clatter. About five minutes before it my nine month old pup started making really weird sounds (howls, growls, and moans). I am thinking of changing her name to Panda. ;)

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45173167/ns/...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Nov 5, 2011, at 11:50 PM

I'm glad to finally see people standing up! This video is a must watch. We are the 99%

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oHRdiklT...

-- Posted by cheesehead on Sat, Nov 5, 2011, at 10:09 PM

inthemiddle

Here is an idea.

Let's have a flat tax on everyone's gross revenue income no matter what their income is or its source. Everyone, every person and every corporation pays the same flat tax on their gross revenue income -- no deductions, no tax credits, no exemptions, no itemization and no more separate tax law applications between individuals and corporation. Corporations and individuals would all be taxed in the same way and at the same rate.

Now wouldn't that be fair?

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Nov 5, 2011, at 8:38 PM

The "bottom" does indeed pay property taxes - they pay them in the form of rent.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Sat, Nov 5, 2011, at 8:28 PM

The bottom only pays property tax if they own property. They only pay license fees if they own something requiring a license. It may only be 17% federal taxes, but the wealthiest also pay state, local taxes, as well as all the other things Nana pointed out. Depending on the state in which they live, the combined tax burden for some is over 50%. Is that fair or should it be more?

I hear the occupy folks talk about paying "their fair share." I want to know the definition of "fair share." They speak in platitudes and generalities. I want specific details.

I also hear many of their wealthy supporters claiming that they want to pay more taxes. Then why don't they? They can volutarily give a larger portion of their income. They can refuse to take advantage of loopholes.

-- Posted by inthemiddle on Sat, Nov 5, 2011, at 8:22 PM

"Most of the unemployed no longer receive benefits"

"Nearly one-third of America's 14 million unemployed have had no job for year or more"

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45175026/ns/...

This is what is referred to in Economics as "Phantom Unemployment." They remain unemployed however they are not included in the unemployment rate calculation used by the government. So if you want to know what the real unemployment level is, take the number of people on unemployment benefits and add the number of folks who are unemployed but no longer collecting unemployment benefits.

The unemployment rate is actually almost double what the government is telling you, and its growing steadily worse.

But don't worry, the 1% won't be losing a wink of sleep over it. They figure unemployment is just your problem, not theirs.

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Nov 5, 2011, at 5:59 PM

It's amazing how much trouble the 1% can cause.

The top 1% with the money, the 1% of cops who beat protesters and 1% of the protesters who actually cause problems.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Sat, Nov 5, 2011, at 7:46 AM

Its time the 1% start paying their fair share. Everyone knows the vast majority supports this tax increase, so I think its time that the politicians stop letting Fox news and its cronies decide how to run this country and start listening to the people.

-- Posted by cheesehead on Sat, Nov 5, 2011, at 6:27 AM

The link to the article regarding the police beating of one of our Iraqi War vets at Oakland OWS protest is here:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/nov...

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Nov 5, 2011, at 12:58 AM

"Occupy Oakland: second Iraq war veteran injured after police clashes"

"Kayvan Sabehgi, who served in Iraq and Afghanistan, is in intensive care with a lacerated spleen. He says he was beaten by police close to the Occupy Oakland camp, but despite suffering agonising pain, did not reach hospital until 18 hours later."

This is how the 1%ers treat our vets -- AFTER he has already put his life on the line for his Country.

The Police need to stop violating the law and the Constitutional right of these brave American young people to protest. The police need to stop inciting violence and they need to do it right now.

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Nov 5, 2011, at 12:43 AM

47 percent of working America does not pay taxes I was wonder if you all want to increase the taxes on the top 1 percent would you all be willing to loose your tax credits and pay fed taxes, Then you can start complaining about the top 1 percent. And that vast majority employee people..

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Fri, Nov 4, 2011, at 8:41 PM

I may be wrong but I think that if it is a red light camera for ticketing that there has to be a sign saying photo enforced or something to that efeect.

-- Posted by sheepdip on Fri, Nov 4, 2011, at 1:50 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
City officials confirm that the equipment on traffic lights are sensors, not cameras.

Let me correct the last part I think in part the court ruled the ticket to be a civil matter not a criminal matter in fact if you get a ticket from running a light or stop sign you get no points taken of your D.L..

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Fri, Nov 4, 2011, at 9:25 AM

If they were traffic light cameras the Poilce department would of released some press release on it. They cost a lot of money and a town of this size would probably need some kind of fed money to install it. Also the tickets would of been increased significantly by now one of the offenders would of probably wrote to the newspaper. There was some challenge to it for the right of privacy however the courts ruled since you are on a public road there is no right to privacy also they challenge how do you know who is driving and the courts ruled that the owner is basically responsible for the vehicle.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Fri, Nov 4, 2011, at 9:24 AM

Traffic light cameras and/or sensors -- I don't live in Marshall any more, so I don't know what the things that are installed there look like. However, based on my experience here in the big city, I'll hazard a couple of guesses.

If they are mounted up high on the same arms that hold the signal lights, look like they are about 6" by 6" by 18" and look like they are pointed toward the 'stop behind' line of the lane of the closest signal light, they are signal sensors. These are the animals that turn on the left turn signal when there is a car waiting to turn left, but keep the left turn signal from coming on when there is no left-turn traffic.

If they are mounted up high on the same arms that hold the signal lights but look like a 6" ball on top of a box about the same size (not directional in appearance at all), then these are the sensors that turn the lights red in all directions as a fire truck, ambulance, or police car approaches. These seem to be triggered mostly by fire trucks, and are triggered by a transmitter in the vehicle. They aren't tripped by 'flashing lights' or anything visual, they are radio-controlled.

If they are mounted away from the signal lights and appear to be pointed toward the back end of a car going through the intersection or are mounted a hundred feet or so past the intersection, they are red light cameras. Red light cameras are controlled exclusively at the local level - the state of Missouri does not have any red light cameras, as best I can tell from the news accounts and editorial write-ups I have seen here in Cardinal Country.

My best guess is that you are seeing traffic sensors that control left turn lanes, etc.

Just my not-so-humble opinion, of course!

-- Posted by TerryM on Thu, Nov 3, 2011, at 8:06 PM

"30 companies paid 'less than zero' taxes in recent years"

http://bottomline.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20...

...yeah that's fair (NOT!)

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Nov 3, 2011, at 5:28 PM

Smokin Cheetah

About the sensors above the lights , I was told they are sensors for emergency vechicles . When there lights flash it triggers the light to turn green for them so that they can go through intersection without any problems , I am not sure if that is true or not but would be intersesting to find out . We may both have been fed a line .

-- Posted by ambsun on Thu, Nov 3, 2011, at 5:00 PM

Excellent post Smart Dog. Every citizen should be privy to that information.

Of course many will say it needs to be that way. That is until they, or a loved one is falsely accused, stripped of their property, and held incommunicado without any right, nor method to even ask why.

I sometimes call it being Kafkafied.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Nov 3, 2011, at 10:54 AM

Sheesh, Chickenpot, haven't you heard? In post 911, neo-con America you have no expectation of privacy. Anywhere, anytime.

For me, our government agencies defy Amendment IV of the constitution regularily these days.

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

Seems pretty clear to me, however, a certain political party assured that there would be no constitutional challenges upheld by the supreme court with the ultra-right appointments of the Bush administration. As there were no cars in 1787 we would need the supremes to rule on the application of red light cameras.

You do realize that several 'enforcement' agencies have equipment that can see and hear through the walls of your house?

Then let's talk about Amendment V. Due process. The RICO act, brought to us by Reagan and the GOP in the 80's. That part about being deprived of property by the government. Get arrested? Get your property seized.

Then, of course, Section 9, Clause 2. "Writ of Habeas Corpus." We've decided that the labling of the individual a "terrorist" trumps the illegality of holding an individual indefinitely without charge or probable cause.

Heck, man, you have lost most of the important rights granted to the individual by our constitution already.

The scary part. Right now there are people reading this that are saying to themselves that all of this erosion of personal liberty is a good idea.

Good luck with your disdain of red light cameras.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Thu, Nov 3, 2011, at 7:44 AM

After thinking about it I thought about how close Mcdonald's is to the highway and I can see why they do it.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Wed, Nov 2, 2011, at 6:08 PM

Mo Val Soccer boys are number one seed in Conference finals. Great game last night!

-- Posted by meagain on Wed, Nov 2, 2011, at 4:54 PM

SC,

"Expeditiously Delivered Sustenance Preparations Technician"

ROTHFLMAO

You have such a wonderful sense of humor SC. I really enjoyed that mate.

Thanks for making my day a little more humorous.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Nov 2, 2011, at 4:17 PM

I am sure some of you have seen this and if it's been posted here I am sorry.

Charley Reese's Final Column -- "Why we have taxes and deficits"

From July 29, 2001

http://usa.goooh.com/2011/03/16/taxes/ch...

-- Posted by Gal66 on Wed, Nov 2, 2011, at 2:13 PM

I remember Hardee's very well!!!

As a 9th grader I remember walking down there to get a couple of Big Deluxe's at lunch.

It seems like I could get those and a coke for less than $3.

-- Posted by Gal66 on Wed, Nov 2, 2011, at 2:03 PM

"Expeditiously Delivered Sustenance Preparations Technician" thats pretty funny SC. I was also one of those a little over 30 years ago at Hardee's. Then they later put in a chain grill where you put the frozen patty in one end and it came out done on the other end. It took abou 1 1/2 minutes and you didn't have to flip them. How many remember Hardee's here in town? The police gave the night deposit a ride to the bank back then too.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Nov 2, 2011, at 11:07 AM

I'd like to comment on the police escorting or driving McDonald's employee to making a deposit.

First I believe McDonalds deposits at Community Bank, which is across the street from McDonalds. How much time or fuel costs could this take? Surely not much.

Secondly, as was mentioned it was observed an employee from McDonalds making a trip to the bank. If good decent folks notice employees going to the bank, can you imagine the ones waiting for an opportunity to do bad things, what they are watching?

And finally I myself would rather see the police out in the community than just up at the station.

I know you said you didn't want to start anything and I agree with you there. Just voicing my opinion.....

-- Posted by 1OFTHEGALS on Wed, Nov 2, 2011, at 10:39 AM

Eric Crump

Thanks for confirming that.

It sounds like a wise policy that significantly increases community safety.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Nov 1, 2011, at 6:38 PM

Marshall police confirm the service is provided for security reasons.

-- Posted by Eric Crump on Tue, Nov 1, 2011, at 4:40 PM

Jason,

I think it is ok; the police can follow or take in their car, I believe.

It is a fairly common practice in other cities. All part of preventing a crime before it occurs.

-- Posted by Interested Too on Tue, Nov 1, 2011, at 4:21 PM

Jason,

I had a classmate that was a night manager of a McDonalds in Texas. One night when he was making a night deposit he was shot and killed. In my opinion, and I'm sure in his family's opinion, it is not a waste of money if it saves a life.

-- Posted by JustFYI on Tue, Nov 1, 2011, at 4:14 PM

I am not trying to start anything. But does anybody know if its a waste of city funds to pick up a Mcdonald's employee in a police car and, I assume to make a deposit for the day at midnight? The same person was dropped off and immediately hopped into a pick up truck.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Tue, Nov 1, 2011, at 4:03 PM

Meagain,

Here's something to keep in mind regarding the picture/video making - photographing any child under age 18 is classified as a form of sexual abuse in some states, depending upon the nature of the situation. I expect your sheriff would know if that type statute exists and how it's interpreted.

The 1964 Miranda decision was needed, but now the civil rights of lawbreakers - delinquents and the so-called career criminals - come under the protection of the law.

-- Posted by Slater on Tue, Nov 1, 2011, at 2:12 PM

Any new developments on the Carroll County Fire? Police seem to be quite secretive about it all...makes one wonder...and a little scared!!

-- Posted by Farm Mom on Tue, Nov 1, 2011, at 1:57 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
According to casenet, Theopolis Johnson II has also been charged with statutory rape in the case. His son, Theo III, was charged with the same crime last week. We are in the process of contacting Carroll County officials to get more information.

I had something similar happen at Walmart parking lot. There were a group of young boys hanging around the car next to mine. I simply walked out there put my groceries in the trunk. Pulled out my phone and started taking pictures. One asked what I was doing, I told him getting thier photos in case my car had any damages from them leaning on it. Plus, I had the phone on video as I made my way through the middle of them to get in my car.

-- Posted by meagain on Tue, Nov 1, 2011, at 6:09 AM

I don't know if this is becoming wide spread problem but three of my friend in marshall neighborhoods are having problem with neighbors with thug like behavior.Before you could expect loud music or maybe someone having a eye sore of some sort.But when you have kids and young adults trying to intimidate other and parents who seem to encourage that behavior what are you to do,can't call police because they have not broke any laws they can be arrested for, everyone has to be harrassed and live with it or move.While leaving friends house one of the teen neighbors was leaning on my car and I said excuse me and they just gave me a mean look and I am a retired grandmother?

-- Posted by nancy007 on Mon, Oct 31, 2011, at 9:39 PM

OkR, may I add that Ricky and anyone else are also free to include their Social Security number, their exact date of birth, their gross and net incomes, ect.

However, I personally decline to do so.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Oct 31, 2011, at 7:43 PM

Taking names and numbers now are we RacingRickyD?

Lol...

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Oct 31, 2011, at 7:39 PM

RacinRicky there is no rule against putting your actual name to your posts. If that is what you favor, go for it, utilize that freedom.

Some of us prefer not to do so. There are various reasons for that choice. It isn't always just to be nasty, and hide.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Oct 31, 2011, at 7:26 PM

I enjoyed the photos, looking forward to more!

-- Posted by meagain on Mon, Oct 31, 2011, at 4:37 PM

LOL Ricky...

Well I have to agree with SC. In fact my anonymous facebook is already to go if needed lol.

In fact, I invite everyone to enjoy the many photos of various places in Australia and of places back home in the States that I have visited -- many more to be posted there soon.

My first addition to my facebook page photos is of an Australian Outback town called Brewarrina -- a primarily Aboriginal community I visited recently.

My facebook page is at

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1...

Feel free to visit and view the photos anytime mate.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Oct 31, 2011, at 4:15 PM

Oklahoma Reader

Well that explains a few things lol.

Oh by the way, I voted for Sunday afternoon for the kids to trick or treat. I think it is safer. That way the kids can easily be escorted by responsible adults in the neighborhood. Frankly, I can't help but feel the risk to the kids, the way things seem to be these days, is just too great to stick with tradition. Sunday afternoon would work well for a lot of folks and would make it a safer environment for the kids. Well, that is my 2 cents anyway.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Oct 31, 2011, at 6:10 AM

Cheesehead if you visit the site, say just to check the votes, it won't let you vote for 24 hours after that, whether you voted on the visit, or not. Specifically it is visit sensitive, not just vote sensitive.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Oct 30, 2011, at 9:49 PM

Then why does it say I have voted within 24hrs when I'm 100% sure I havent?

-- Posted by cheesehead on Sun, Oct 30, 2011, at 9:24 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
I don't know specifically, but I suspect a technical reason rather than rigged polls. Have you tried clearing the cookies from your browser's cache? That often does the trick.

How come when I go to vote on the poll located on this page it says you have already voted from this machine within the last the 24hrs when I clearly know I havent? Are these polls rigged or what?

-- Posted by cheesehead on Sun, Oct 30, 2011, at 9:07 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
The polls are not rigged.

For example: http://www.marshallnews.com/story/177881...

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Sun, Oct 30, 2011, at 8:56 PM

meagain: Type the word "soccer" into the search field and you will find plenty of stories about soccer.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Sun, Oct 30, 2011, at 8:55 PM

Why is there no mention of the MVC soccer teams in the paper? The girls and boys have done very well again this year! GO VALLEY!

-- Posted by meagain on Sun, Oct 30, 2011, at 7:44 PM

Anybody know of any trunk or treats?

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Sun, Oct 30, 2011, at 6:09 PM

Right. So when they do get a call, they are supposed to pack up, head back to the station, put on their gear, and THEN respond. Meanwhile, someone's house is on fire and precious seconds are being lost. Great plan. I'm shocked no one thought of that sooner.

I apologize for being snotty, but goodness. My parents taught me that no one wins an argument so this will be my last comment in regards to the fire department. However, I do want to say that I, for one, have complete respect for the members of the Marshall Fire Department. Any one of them would willingly risk their life to save you. Of course they are friends. They are more than friends. They have to be. They are brothers that have complete trust and faith in each other when the time comes for such an emergency.

Your use of quotations around "emergency" leads me to believe that you don't think anything they do constitutes the word. On top of that, every single one of them should be offended by your implication that they are not qualified to do the job. Shame on you. I sincerely hope your college degree comes in handy if you should ever, God forbid, need their services.

To the Marshall Fire Department, MPD, EMS, teachers, and any other public servant - Thank you! I might not always agree with your decisions and/or actions, but I respect you and am honored to live in a community with such dedicated men and women.

-- Posted by GrahamBob on Sun, Oct 30, 2011, at 5:38 PM

And where, exactly, should they do this?

-- Posted by GrahamBob on Sun, Oct 30, 2011, at 4:38 PM

WOW "RacingRicky" Really hope you change your way of thinking about public servants when you crash whatever it is you are racing. Clueless much?

-- Posted by wheresthelove on Sun, Oct 30, 2011, at 3:35 PM

Good heavens, our fire fighters don't have it easy. Any second, any minute of the day they could put their lives on the line. They are not paid enough, nor are the policemen.

-- Posted by Cat Lover on Sun, Oct 30, 2011, at 3:22 PM

Some things happened when the Sweet Springs hospital was started. Some very capable strong-willed citizens caused the hospital to be built. The local citizens (from two counties) were very much for the project. A management company was hired to start up the place. The management company made some bad decisions from the get-go. Things went downhill and the management company (or a subsidiary, not sure which) wound up owning the hospital. Anyway, a guy named Larry Arthur was the brains behind the management company. A bunch of local people were fired. What happened and is happening is not at all what was envisioned by the founding fathers.

In retrospect, did the management company make bad decisions or were the actions intended to run the place into the ground so it could be bought for pennies on the dollar? We will never know.

-- Posted by red dog on Sat, Oct 29, 2011, at 7:52 PM

Red Dog: Is there anything there on the Hospital that make a Person think they are trying too Privatize it? They have did the same thing to two Places here! Now all we have is # 1 running they just built,and it is Privately owned! The two they shut down were a lot better. I'm a very suspicious Person when it comes to these things but to Dumb too make a connection. These Politicians are pretty slick when their out too convince the Public!

-- Posted by Jo on Sat, Oct 29, 2011, at 4:27 PM

just to clarify CPSI is the computer software that the hospital uses

-- Posted by froom on Sat, Oct 29, 2011, at 12:59 PM

This article suggests it's the parent company, not the Sweet Springs medical facility itself, that's having some problems:

http://hillsborofreepress.com/county-wid...

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Sat, Oct 29, 2011, at 9:43 AM

I was curious about this Sweet Springs hospital bankruptcy so I googled HMC/CAH. Interesting.

Read about the woes with the company and pretty soon you start to see how the company built a house of cards. Funny thing. The structure is starting to collapse.

Some, if not all, of the communities the hospital is affiliated with will at the very least face job loss and some will suffer the collapse of their healthcare structure.

One thing I will bet on, the main guys in the company have theirs salted back and will not feel any pain when things do fall apart.

Life goes on.

-- Posted by red dog on Sat, Oct 29, 2011, at 8:38 AM

Hey when is the Democrat News gonna do a story about I-70 Community Hospital and its parent company filing Chapter 11. Sweet Springs Herald scooped you.

-- Posted by froom on Sat, Oct 29, 2011, at 2:45 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Yep. Sometimes we scoop. Sometimes we get scooped. I just learned about this situation Thursday and have not had a chance to pursue the story. We'll look into it next week.

KMZU Radio is reporting the following:

Carroll County Sheriff Troy Hofstetter has scheduled a press conference at 11:30 this morning.

It is expected to deal with the recent trailer fire and the two deaths associated with that incident.

KMZU will be there and we'll bring you details as soon as they are available.

-- Posted by jillian on Fri, Oct 28, 2011, at 10:31 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
The MDN will be there, too. Will post what we learn asap.

"Study: Top 1 percent in U.S. saw incomes rise 275 percent in just 28 years"

http://cbo.gov/ftpdocs/124xx/doc12485/10...

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/10/26/st...

Yeah, that's fair (NOT!)

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Oct 26, 2011, at 5:24 PM

Congrats to Luke's Place on their new all you can eat lunch buffet. It was very good and the price of $6.75 for homestyle cooking is hard to beat.

-- Posted by OWL FAN on Wed, Oct 26, 2011, at 1:27 PM

Interested Too,

If I was allowed,I suggest slapping them with those books a few times then throwing them and throw what ever else was within reach ...Have a great day all

-- Posted by momandgramma on Wed, Oct 26, 2011, at 11:08 AM

Also waiting for news about the fire in Carrollton. She was a dear friend of mine, and all I hear are rumors circulating and speculating. I know the family needs time to soak all of this in too. I guess it's my age, being a little impatient.

-- Posted by momof3girls on Wed, Oct 26, 2011, at 9:00 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
The only thing I've been able to find out is that Missouri State Highway Patrol Division Of Drug And Crime Control was asked to assist with the investigation early on. Carroll County Sheriff's Department has, so far, not returned calls placed Saturday, Monday, and Wednesday asking for more information.

Is there any new information on the fire in Carollton? I have not seen any new information. :(

-- Posted by meagain on Tue, Oct 25, 2011, at 4:37 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
I haven't seen anything new either and have called the Carroll County Sheriff's Dept. several times.

1ofthegals:

I have heard about the break ins on the radio, and I believe the paper ran a recent (probably not as timely as you'd like) report from the sheriff on the break ins.

I too, hope they get the book thrown at them; as a victim of a house robbery years ago where sentimental items were taken that can never be replaced.

-- Posted by Interested Too on Tue, Oct 25, 2011, at 11:02 AM

Concerning the rash of recent break ins... Why wasn't the public notified of such happenings? Friends of ours had their house broken into and while supporting/comforting our friends we find out this was not the first, nor second, not even third break in within about a month. I was shocked to hear about this. What else has been going on we don't know about? Thankfully no one had bodily injuries, but the emotional and financial injuries can be just as great. I hope the people responsible for these break ins have been caught and WILL be punished, not just a "slap on the wrist". There are some items they stole that didn't have great value to anyone but the people the stole from.

-- Posted by 1OFTHEGALS on Tue, Oct 25, 2011, at 10:20 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
My fault. We get reports from the sheriff's office every day. Not all of them get published, depending on time and space constraints on any given day. I should have noticed the pattern developing and gotten the stories published more promptly.

mrxray

Don't worry mate, its not normally against the law to park along a gravel road (unless marked otherwise), nor does it constitute probable cause of a crime.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Oct 24, 2011, at 3:51 PM

Selmac and others....

I used to hunt in Northern Pettis/Southern Saline county and when I first started hunting in those areas, I parked on the side of a gravel road for easiest walk in access. I had absolutely NO problem with the neighboring farmers calling in a report of a vehicle on the road simply because they were not familiar with it. In fact, it made me feel more secure about being in the area knowing that the people that actually lived there cared enough to watch out for each other.

too often we refuse to report these abnormalities simply because they are lazy or dont care.... and this is why criminals feel safe enough to commit crimes

-- Posted by mrxray on Sun, Oct 23, 2011, at 10:34 PM

So glad to hear about the captures of the alleged rural burglars. Our community NEEDS a better notification system of current crime issues. One county resident had 2 neighbors less than a mile away burglarized & didn't know until over a week after the fact! That is sad on two levels: No notification by the neighbors and no questions or direct notice by law enforcement while "investigating". Community alerts should be made sooner. Most of us would be happy to deliver the crooks to law enforcement on a silver platter just tell us what to look for & the areas.

-- Posted by SalineVoter on Sun, Oct 23, 2011, at 1:26 PM

Autumn is here. Frosty mornings, the leaves are turning, homecoming parades and my neighbor has covered their pretentious fountain in a shroud.

-- Posted by raysfan on Sat, Oct 22, 2011, at 4:28 PM

Smokin' Cheetah. My Bad. The article I read must be at KMMO.com. Sorry Amy. This isn't a plug for the radio station.

While I am here. Neighborhood schools, neighborhood schools, bring back the neighborhood schools. My outlook on this is Marshall IS the neighborhood. Not Wards one, two, three and four. The Wards are formed for political purposes, not for school purposes. Marshall needs an education campus composed of several buildings to cover Pre-School through grade Twelve. Not four old elementary buildings, three of which are 1920 models and are money pits. The remaining elementary school building must be thirty of forty years old.

What do you think?

-- Posted by red dog on Fri, Oct 21, 2011, at 2:38 PM

Re: the courthouse, I know there is a problem with streaks showing up in a coating on the east side, I think. There's a problem with the metal trim on the dome, but that was apparently caused by high wind, last I heard. We'll find out more...

-- Posted by Eric Crump on Fri, Oct 21, 2011, at 9:21 AM

Does anyone remember the Neighborhood Watch program? Niehghbors were supposed to call if there were "suspicious" cars or strangers. How is calling in a strange car on a gravel road any different?

-- Posted by inthemiddle on Fri, Oct 21, 2011, at 9:03 AM

@red dog...um, because Bob James is FROM Marshall, MO?

-- Posted by koeller77 on Fri, Oct 21, 2011, at 8:14 AM

While I am on a roll, I have been wondering about this Bob James Jazz thing. This is a Country and Western town. Why promote jazz?

-- Posted by red dog on Fri, Oct 21, 2011, at 7:42 AM

The work recently done on the courthouse was a stupendous project. I felt good about the decision to restore it. I am sure a reputable contractor was hired to do the work. With that being said, how could a "reputable" contractor do what is now apparently shoddy work? The phrase "good enough for government work" has been carried to a new level. If you are not aware of the problems with the courthouse, check out the news article in this paper.

-- Posted by red dog on Fri, Oct 21, 2011, at 7:38 AM

Thanks for the posts about the courthouse lights. I wish the lights were stronger/brighter or easier to see. With such a beautiful building I would like to "show it off" more. At least I'm not the only one who looks up once in a while. :)

-- Posted by 1OFTHEGALS on Thu, Oct 20, 2011, at 5:46 PM

Trying to find a contact number for the Chapel at the fairgrounds. The number the city gave me didn't answer or return my call.

-- Posted by JerBear1980 on Thu, Oct 20, 2011, at 5:00 PM

No, we don't own the road. My husbands great, great, great, great grandfather gave the easement to the county so that neighbors could drive through with out going so far around. We know our neighbors and have no problem with them driving past, it's those who want to leave trash, or park on our property, hunt without permission, shoot at signs and or builings, break into barns or houses and steal what they have not worked for that I have an issue with.

I am sure even a city dweller would have an issue with these things on thier street!

-- Posted by meagain on Thu, Oct 20, 2011, at 4:50 PM

And apparently it worked!

http://www.marshallnews.com/story/177585...

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Thu, Oct 20, 2011, at 3:57 PM

Yes, but our sheriff has requested some help.

http://www.marshallnews.com/story/177532...

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Thu, Oct 20, 2011, at 3:56 PM

meagain,

Do you personally own the road? I know a lot of folks who just like to drive around the country side. Are you saying these tax paying folks don't belong.

You have every right to keep an eye out, but to say who does and doesn't belong on a public roadway is a bit of a stretch.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Thu, Oct 20, 2011, at 10:22 AM

anything new from the shep? i have to admit - the self-reflection piece was quite a challenge for me ...

just sayin

zeke

-- Posted by zeke on Thu, Oct 20, 2011, at 8:28 AM

I live on a gravel road where it is our farm on both sides of the road. We take note of any "strange" vehicle that passes by. We don't call it in unless we hear of a crime in the area. It pays to be curious. We have caught poachers, trespassers, someone who broke into a barn. It is just smart business. If you don't want to be investigated don't drive around where you don't belong. I'll bet you'd feel differently it the property was yours! Cows are expensive, as well as our equipment. We are just being observant and protecting what is ours.

-- Posted by meagain on Thu, Oct 20, 2011, at 6:04 AM

Ok I have a problem with people just reporting Vehicles out in the country for no other reason then they haven't seen it before, My Girlfriend and I like to take drives out on the gravel roads, Driving down a public road way should not be a reason for the county cops to pull you over, Sure if they want to take down your plate or what ever thats fine, I'm not saying don't be observant, But just because you have never seen a car before you don't need to tie up the Constable and his guys for the such a stupid reason as "I've never seen that car before"

-- Posted by Selmac8 on Thu, Oct 20, 2011, at 12:36 AM

Mrs L.A.B. i in fact have spoke to the inspector, and countless others. My complaints seem to fall on deaf ears, or thier hands are tied. If this problem were in a say... "richer" neighborhood i bet it wouldnt take long for something to happen. Some houses are unlivible yet they have occupants. Im just sayin if ur in the rental business you should have to answer for the people you rent to and the conditions in which you allow individuals to live. Other businesses are inspected annually im sure. Why is'nt the rental business???

-- Posted by dsgusted on Wed, Oct 19, 2011, at 5:34 PM

Dsgusted, You are not wrong to feel this way. I'm not sure what the solution is, but maybe contacting the city inspector directly would help.

-- Posted by Mrs L.A.B. on Tue, Oct 18, 2011, at 8:23 PM

One Of The Gals, I remember the old lights/courthouse being visible from Herndon. I always thought that was pretty cool as a kid. It was like a beacon to Mattingly's (sp) 5 and Dime..best candy selection ever.

-- Posted by EiEiO on Tue, Oct 18, 2011, at 8:52 AM

I would like to point out an issue that is one of my own and im sure countless others. The issue would happen to be run down rental properties and the landlords that do not care about the neighborhood in which they are ruining. Let me point out that there are plenty of good landlords out there and im not speaking of you. But what happened to the idea of a yearly inspection of rental property to keep the "slum-lords" in line and protect the lives of the individuals living in them, furthermore holding the landlords accountable for allowing individuals to live in unsafe unsanitary conditions and ruining the value of homes that people own in those communities. The laws seem to protect the very people who wish to break them.

AM I WRONG TO FEEL THIS WAY?

-- Posted by dsgusted on Mon, Oct 17, 2011, at 9:17 PM

One of the gals, your perception of the courthouse lights being dim is right-on. They are very dim, no matter what color scheme is chosen. I believe the courthouse was remodeled and restored to the original configuration ie: before the radio mast.

In the fifties when driving into town, the courthouse was the most visible thing on the horizon. One got used to it popping into view five or six miles out of town. That, as the saying goes, is history.

-- Posted by red dog on Mon, Oct 17, 2011, at 12:45 PM

Are the courthouse lights not very bright to anyone else? I posted before but didn't get any response, maybe no one is interested in this topic..... I would have thought as much that was done to the courthouse recently some one else besides me would look up at the dome. But maybe not...

-- Posted by 1OFTHEGALS on Sun, Oct 16, 2011, at 9:33 PM

try calling russ cooksey, he is on the fair board

-- Posted by mofireman on Sun, Oct 16, 2011, at 7:48 PM

Thanks Eric!

-- Posted by JerBear1980 on Sun, Oct 16, 2011, at 1:29 PM

I'm trying to find a contact number for the Saline County Fairgounds. I'd like to inquire about renting out the facilities for a wedding in spring.

Anyone know the phone number? or who to contact?

Thanks in advance.

-- Posted by JerBear1980 on Sun, Oct 16, 2011, at 1:18 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Sure. Call Marshall City Office at 886-2225.

Are the lights on the courthouse dim to anyone else? I think they are pink (Possibly for breast cancer month?)

-- Posted by 1OFTHEGALS on Sun, Oct 16, 2011, at 3:28 AM

NYPD White Shirt KO's a woman Protester at Today's March 10/14/11

http://www.youtube.com/verify_age?next_u...

-- Posted by cheesehead on Sat, Oct 15, 2011, at 8:37 PM

Good grief.

-- Posted by the view from the square on Sat, Oct 15, 2011, at 6:26 PM

Is there a place for complete listings of trunk and treat and stuff like that?

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Sat, Oct 15, 2011, at 11:08 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
We'd be delighted if sponsors of all Halloween activities would let us know (660-886-2233 or ecrump@marshallnews.com) so we can create a list.

"Billionaires and their Allies tell the Occupy Movement to Stop It!"

http://www.freewoodpost.com/2011/10/12/b...

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Oct 14, 2011, at 6:20 PM

Look to the right of this post. You should see the MDN Events Calendar.

-- Posted by luvthoseowls on Fri, Oct 14, 2011, at 11:59 AM

Gotta love how MDN posts events after the fact. Would an events calender be out of the question?

-- Posted by EiEiO on Fri, Oct 14, 2011, at 11:15 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Which specific events do you mean? We have an events calendar on our website and one in the paper every day on page 3. Not all events get page 1 previews, but we do that for as many as we can. And we welcome news releases from event organizers so we can provide more detail about coming events.

ND as you alluded one may lead a horse to water...

It was hopeful, and proactive of you in spite of that.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Oct 14, 2011, at 11:01 AM

Miss Marple: rotflmao

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Oct 14, 2011, at 10:55 AM

I agree, Jason1969. If people involved in a protest are going to have sex in a public park, they should definitely be quiet while they're at it.

-- Posted by Miss Marple on Fri, Oct 14, 2011, at 5:49 AM

I am all for free speech let everybody be heard just not when they having sex in public at the park where they are protesting.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Thu, Oct 13, 2011, at 9:39 PM

Seriously, mrxray, how in the world do you think this "payment" could be accomplished? It defies good sense to believe it's even possibl. And as for cheesehead having "irrational anger

-- Posted by Miss Marple on Thu, Oct 13, 2011, at 9:28 PM

cheesehead... so all of your rants and raves and irrational anger toward fox news and the evil koch brothers is not politics... lol typical of you liberals to "forget" your own mistakes...

-- Posted by mrxray on Thu, Oct 13, 2011, at 9:06 PM

mxray,

Nobody posted anything about politics except you. If someone is in support of these protests or simply posting these events doesnt mean they are politicizing it. Your comments are simply an attempt to label people who you know nothing about.

-- Posted by cheesehead on Thu, Oct 13, 2011, at 4:54 PM

I guess all non profit workers should go without pay as well. Only makes sense most non profits are working to change the world too.

-- Posted by mtownres on Thu, Oct 13, 2011, at 1:33 PM

mtowners... the point is not HOW MUCH they are getting paid to protest, NOR how far 650 will get you in NYC... lol the point is that how can a protest be a grass roots movement of 99% of the people who are supposedly angry at wall street when they are being PAID..... a real grass roots movement and protest or political rally does not need bribery to get people to show up for the protest...

but I do know this.... 650 is about double the amount of unemployment you can get.... so at least they are incentivising them to get off their butts

-- Posted by mrxray on Thu, Oct 13, 2011, at 10:39 AM

to the rest of you.... once again you display proper liberal actions.... as long as the discussion favors YOUR opinion, normally of irrational hatred for anything conservative or republican, you are fine and dandy with the conversation.... but when someone shows info that disputes or disagrees with what you are saying then you try to banish them out of the front page? Come on, you all were talking politics just as much as I did....

you guys are funny

-- Posted by mrxray on Thu, Oct 13, 2011, at 10:37 AM

tigger2118.... just trying to provde YOU with a service because mostly what you read on this message board is completely biased in favor of radial progressivism and the liberal agenda... so you are welcome for trying to help you see something besides a 80% one sided conversation...

lol

-- Posted by mrxray on Thu, Oct 13, 2011, at 10:36 AM

Thanks "mrxray" for posting numerous random links. I for one believe everything I read on the internet. Think you can send me one of those email's from Bill Gates? All I have to do is forward it and he sends me money right?

-- Posted by tigger2118 on Wed, Oct 12, 2011, at 9:02 PM

Mrxray- research cost of living in NYC. See how far $650 a week (after taxes) gets you there.

-- Posted by mtownres on Wed, Oct 12, 2011, at 7:02 PM

What about the real chemical leak in Slater Wednesday afternoon?

-- Posted by shs alum on Wed, Oct 12, 2011, at 6:42 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
According to scanner traffic there was an anhydrous leak caused when a truck struck some equipment. The driver reportedly was not injured by was briefly exposed to anhyrdrous vapor. We'll get more information in the morning.

Lol...

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Oct 12, 2011, at 3:21 PM

So will the rest us, OKR.

-- Posted by Miss Marple on Tue, Oct 11, 2011, at 9:02 PM

Cold rag for your forehead MrXray? Just calm down, and go back over to the familiar environs of the political blog. You will feel better then.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Oct 11, 2011, at 8:23 PM

got to love the so called grass roots protests of Occupy wall street when we find out the Working family party is paying people, begging them to come protest for $350-650 a week that would be 15K a year or more just to go protest the government and the rich.... oh wait they are not protesting the government body that made the rules that those evil rich people followed...

Ohhh yeah and how about the Rapper, who got RICH from capitalism and rich by participating WITH an evil rich corporation(s) who purchased tons of gold and diamond Bling using the funds he was rewarded with via capitalism, who is now showing up supposedly to show sympathy with people demanding communism and socialism???? weird....

-- Posted by mrxray on Tue, Oct 11, 2011, at 5:48 PM

more obama problems and hypocrisy and FAILURE to be open, honest and transparent.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?i...

More of the same about Pelosi.....

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011...

ohhh yeah... MORE about Obama....

http://hotair.com/archives/2011/10/10/re...

-- Posted by mrxray on Tue, Oct 11, 2011, at 5:45 PM

http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/yeas...

seems like M. Obama likes to rule down upon us little people and micromanage our lives and our diets... YET she FAILS to abide by her own advice... where are the food police.... M. Obama should be in food jail!!!!

LEAVE US ALONE!!!! This is what happens when we allow government to become too big... it runs out of REAL problems to spend money on and they become bored and try to micromanage their SERFS

-- Posted by mrxray on Tue, Oct 11, 2011, at 5:40 PM

http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/girls-su...

-- Posted by mrxray on Tue, Oct 11, 2011, at 5:38 PM

I am surprised that you liberal whiners are not up in arms about the dude eliminating waste on a police car during a tea party rally!!! OHHHHHHH wait it was a rally partially for communist and marxist and socialist agenda that this occurred during in the name of bashing rich people so you just think that this is some sort of peaceful and normal and acceptable protest behavior!!!! Now I understand..... oh yeah... where is your outcry against the nudety and the open use of drugs and the destruction of business properties and the vandalism of personal property of business owners who are just trying to operate to provide JOBS for people and services and goods for people and the horrible FILTH that is in these "protest" areas? Sheesh, at least have the courage to admit that the tea parties were NEVER like this, never required police to remove unruly and disobediant protestors AND they went home and showered at night and cleaned up the park grounds after their selves.... hmmmmm

-- Posted by mrxray on Tue, Oct 11, 2011, at 5:35 PM

Nanadot,

"Goodbye"? Vacation, I hope.

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Mon, Oct 10, 2011, at 11:08 PM

interesting video link concerning the abducted baby in KCMO. alot of conjecture from the bloggers follows as well as a Marshall connection to the husband.

http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-bradleys...

-- Posted by alphadog on Mon, Oct 10, 2011, at 9:57 AM

Americans are waking up! Watch as protesters run Fox News out of wall street with the chants of "Fox News lies"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxQHys4Tm...

-- Posted by cheesehead on Sun, Oct 9, 2011, at 9:19 PM

News,

These Koch brothers are nothing but criminals this doesnt surprise me at all.

-- Posted by cheesehead on Sun, Oct 9, 2011, at 9:16 PM

"David Koch dodges questions over shady deals with Iran"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/10/07/da...

Oh what a tangled web the Koch Brothers weaved when first they chose to deceive.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Oct 7, 2011, at 5:31 PM

When are more car show pictures going to be up?

-- Posted by Bambi on Wed, Oct 5, 2011, at 9:36 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Probably tomorrow. Other deadlines loom...

You know its not the city's job to set what time of Halloween night that your kids should be out. IT'S YOUR JOB AS PARENTS, Stop pushing your responsibility's off on the government. If you don't want your kids out late don't let them stay out late. You don't want trick or treaters after a certain time SHUT OFF YOUR LIGHT. FFS people Its as bad as the Ban books at the library. The Library shouldn't have to ban books so you feel better. Teach your children and set some rules and ENFORCE them. Its your job as parents to monitor stuff like that. NOT THE LIBRARY'S.

-- Posted by Selmac8 on Tue, Oct 4, 2011, at 8:30 PM

Marshall city officials want to remind residents that Halloween is still on Oct. 31. Moving the date of trick or treating was proposed as an idea to consider but was not acted on by the city council.

-- Posted by Eric Crump on Tue, Oct 4, 2011, at 3:43 PM

Interested: You got it ,back too the 60 i hope. It's the only weapon we have right now,yea to the young and old alike! I keep saying this system needs changed! Green Party sounds good! Big Money has us bought and paid for!!Stick together,we can change this?

-- Posted by Jo on Mon, Oct 3, 2011, at 10:06 PM

Where is the story about Marshall High School's cross country meet in Moberly?

-- Posted by LadyOwlsSophomore on Mon, Oct 3, 2011, at 8:36 PM

I am loving this story on the protesters against Wall Street.

I absolutely think that this is the way to get the message out, and peaceful protests have a way of spreading and picking up steam.

My thanks to those who were brave enough to peacefully express their views.

-- Posted by Interested Too on Mon, Oct 3, 2011, at 10:04 AM

dograider: How about you take your nasty comments elsewhere? Thanks.

-- Posted by Miss Marple on Sun, Oct 2, 2011, at 7:06 PM

Democrats are hoping she runs just as much as you are "dograider" lol!!!

-- Posted by tigger2118 on Sun, Oct 2, 2011, at 3:48 PM

Video of Occupy Wall Street protesters at Brooklyn Bridge

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/10/02/vi...

-- Posted by cheesehead on Sun, Oct 2, 2011, at 10:43 AM

Lots of nice cars and trucks at the car show today. If you are in town and not at the car show you are missing out. Thank you Democrat News for organizing the show.

-- Posted by the view from the square on Sat, Oct 1, 2011, at 11:34 AM


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