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Could Al-Qaeda the terrorist arm of Islam be considered the same as the KKK was the terrorist arm of the Democratic Party?
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Pop some for me, SC!
I cant say I've heard any Democrats talk about the good ol days when Bush was president. I think most Dems realize that Bush and his policies gave us a big portion of the deficit that those on the right pretend to care about or at least until they are calling the shots.
At least Obama has halfway fought for what he believes in or maybe he is just more conservative than many of us thought. I do think that given 2 wars, a recession, and the most radical Republicans the country has ever seen owning a majority in the house that no President whether it be a Democrat or not would look very productive under these circumstances.
I cant see many Dems or Independants staying home in 2012 when they are looking at a possibilty of a Rick Parry or Michelle Bachman president.
News I hope to God that you were referencing the first Bush. LOL Disclaimer: as a nearly life long liberal I have never thought of any "good old days". I have just seen it as a different set of problems for a different set of people under a different president. Kennedy I was strong on, but I was naive back then. I may have been right about him, they did kill him, which I consider validation of my opinion. ;)
You're welcome SC
Hey News I was talking on the phone tonight to a very good long time friend of mine, Larry Hollis, about our exchange regarding blues harmonica players. Though you are probably the last person I know that would have any use for affirmation of your opinion he is with you on Sonny Boy (the younger) being the very best. Little Walter is next in line with him. He is a long time reviewer of jazz, and blues for Cadence magazine, and has written for Downbeat. Decent sax player too. He knows his stuff.
Yeah I did know what you meant News, and it made me chuckle. In addition it gave me an opportunity to jump...on my soap box, an opportunity that I am ever as eager for as the most avid pond side bull frog is to jump for may flies of a spring evening.
rr3 I am a bit late responding to your Islam/Al Quaeda-Democrat/KKK jibe. Anyway, it seems a better analogy to Islam-Quaeda is the relationship between the Tea Party and the Republican Party. There is one major difference though. The Tea Party undoubtably terrorizes the rest of the Republican Party more than the do any other group.
Exactly. They distract us with wedge issues and walk away with everything.
Another major difference okr you failed to overlook is no trail of dead bodies associated with the Tea Party. Also funny how any kind of truth is terrorism.
News, and ND, whatever would I do without you!
I was forwarded this yesterday. Thought you might like it.
Links not working.
Try this one:
"Barack Obama single-handedly is the greatest destroyer of private sector jobs in modern American history." -Rush
There is only one news and evidently you don't care about it.
Obama lays out job-creation ideas
Are these more failed policies of the last 3 years? How many chances will this guy get to get it right?
August job numbers:
Expected 93,000 jobs created
Actual --0-- that not a typo my friends
They are fudging the numbers too unemployment is much higher then 9.1% this is not a recession folks this is a depression and folks are hurting. Where is your liberal media on this oh they are still carrying the water.
"Over the next six, seven months, you're gonna see ramped-up stories about social issues, as a means of distracting the Republican presidential field from jobs, stimulus spending, and higher taxes." -Rush
If Rush were as smart as he thinks he is, would he really wear horizontal short sleeve T-shirts over his mounds o fat?
Late comment. News I enjoyed your satirical "Mental" piece. ROTFLMAO.
How do you ever expect to be taken seriously?
Anyone who constantly parrots Rush cannot be taken seriously in my book.
It's funny that you do not want to blame that one guy Obama for anything but yet you blamed Bush that one guy for everything.
All liberals think they are better than the average person because they are smarter. I mean they know the only reliable sources for information and news. They listen to lies and believe it as truth. They hear truth and tell you its a lie. They always play the race card by keeping it at the forefront of anything political. They always try to destroy their opponents character when they have none. Most of the news media packs their water for them. Folks Obama might of inherited a recession but he has put us in a depression with his failed policies. Nothing he has done has worked. The Democrats were in charge the first 2 years and did nothing but blame Republicans. Now Republicans have been in charge for what about 7 months and the Democrats are still blaming the Republicans. So if you want some credibility, man up, take charge and responsibility for your actions.
Wtf I always consider the source of comments. I doubt that concern for my credibility ranks very high on your priority list. Most of your comment to me are mean and condescending in nature which I know you will never admit. In other words you don't have to pretend you care for my benefit. OK
Boo hoo hoo!
I do blame Obama for not instructing Eric Holder to indict most of the Bush admin for treason and war crimes.
Obama has carried more water for the republicans than anybody so what the hell are you complaining about?
See what I mean!!!!
I didn't think the Democrats did anything to hurt the economy.
It is the Corporatists that are destroying our economy. The Corporatists are an uber party. Both Democrat, and Republican members of government are eligible to join. They do so in droves. It is probably because not only is there no initiation fee, but no membership fee. They are never asked for donations.
Instead the reverse is true. They are given huge chunks of cash upon agreeing to join the Corporatist Party. They are given regular stipends as long as they abide by the quasi-organization's by laws. Finally once they leave government the Party gives them cushy jobs that pay well, last for a life time, and require only limited effort on their part.
Who can resist the lure of the Corporatist Party? Sadly, very few.
I am curious to know a little more about my fellow posters. We don't have to devulge our identity but I'll start by saying that I am male, I'm married and soon to be 49 years old.
I live in Marshall proper.
Anyone else want to play?
You live in Australia? I had no idea..........
Frankly i blame all of us for the way things are! We don't have to take this,but we do! The American People forget and forgive, thinking there will be a different out come, without radical change and some disobedience! They laugh at us peon's! Man how i miss the 60's!!
Hey wtf we have 3 things in common: male, married and soon to be 49 years old.
Wtf you told me a while back that I wasn't even close when I guessed that you graduated about 1980. You know give or take a year. I graduated 1980 Marshall High.
Could that be 4 things in common?
Finally, I won't be the worst president in history! --Jimmy Carter
"Whoever prefers life to death, happiness to suffering, well-being to misery must defend without compromise private ownership in the means of production."---Ludwig von Mises
If you you consider age and martial status something in common, then ok. Other than that.......
rr3 most consider several others, not Carter, for worst president in history. You may wish to reconsider your statement. A tip, consider Buchanan, and do a little research in that direction.
By the way where did you get that quip? It sounds like something off of the ARRA News Service, self described as an out reach of the Arkansas Republican Assembly. Perhaps you are familiar with it? ;)
I don't think that merely being ineffectual automatically places you in the worst president category. I think being disasterously effective like Reagan, and little Bush has caused unrivaled, lasting devastation to our nation.
For instance, a successful mass murderer, is worse than an ineffectual physician who can not heal his patient because he will not insist on providing the patient, what he knows to be the best medicine. ;)
Thanks News. We are not really into pop music, but this is good...particularly Kendra.
Well our tireless media has gone on past Libya now that there are fewer of our bombs exploding. Here is a fresh look at the hell on earth that is exploding neath this latest of rabbit holes we plunged into. "Most of the rebel military is now under the leadership of LIFG, a self described affiliate of Al Queda." That is just the beginning of the madness occuring there.
With no smugness, instead with sorrow, I have to ask once again, how many times must the left be correct in their predictions before they are afforded even half the credibility of the often wrong right? How many times must we scream WE TOLD YOU SO...AGAIN, before a majority listens, and says NO MORE to these mad adventures?
I am sick of this sickening madness that seems to have infected our country in particular, and the west in general. Some how it must stop.
"Missouri prepares to end tax credit for elderly and disabled"
What bugs me most is they want to use that money to entice "Chinese cargo planes" to KCI.
Well, I certainly hope they aren't "Chinese made" cargo planes flying over me.
As a taxpayer, I would like to
see our disabled and elderly receive a tax break rather than promoting a foreign cargo service that I suspect will be sub-standard and
Proof liberal, leftistism, marxism, big government socialism causes mental illness?
so news.... you bash the right for demanding fiscal responsibility... at least the tea party portion of the right.... saying that to be fiscally responsible and making hard cuts in the budget are ONLY harming the poor and elderly and ONLY helping the rich white guys.
Instead of blaming the fiscally conservative people in their efforts to fix our economy maybe you should rethink or relook the direction you are taking about our economy. It is NOT specifically the entitlements and all the social justice fixes that are causing the problems and that is NEVER, not ONCE what the right is saying. The problem is that the LEFT and their "Big government can provide all things to all people (If you ignore the cost to the working tax payers and our economy)" social justice agenda that has caused our economy to fail. What was at the root of the housing debacle? NOT evil white guys, they just took advantage of the system and the rules and the game. THE underlying problem was that the left, in the form of groups like ACORN and others, were demanding and protesting and boycotting banks intimidating them to make loans to people in poor neighborhoods that could not afford them AND the government, at the same time, made rules that demanded that the banks create these loans for these financial unsound people or face reduced ratings from the Federal lending institutions. It was an attempt to FORCE local and national banks to lend money to unsound people because the left stated that all people had a "RIGHT" to own a home even if they were not financially sound... they forced banks to lower the 20% down requirement and many other things and enabled easier rules to make easier, more risky loans and the entire national and world economy CRASHED.... imagine that
So the point is NOT that the right hates old people and disable people or workers, the point is that the economy can ONLY support a FINITE amount of "social justice" or entitlement type programs because they are an economic DRAIN with little or NO money returned into the economy due to waste, fraud, redtape and abuse. The left has NO concept of the bounds of an economy and that it is a FINITE resource... instead they bash the evil rich people and the big oil/Pharma companies and just expect them to fork up more and more money without them passing on the cost to the consumer (the left has no concept of economics period)
So maybe you should look at how our national budget grew so HUGE and wasteful and is no unable to provide the bare necessities.... instead of looking at the problem NOW in 2011 and ignoring how we got here and then blaming the Republicans.... and I am not saying it is ONLY the left that caused the problems, as always I acknowledge that the Bush's and many RINOs in recent decades gave into the pressure from the left and pandered to votes by creating their share of economic harmful policies and programs
On a side note... I wish we had the Message thread capability that would allow us to RESPOND to specific posts so that that specific conversation could be read in order and in one thread..... like on most message boards.
Always money for bullets, never money for bed pans.
Mr. X-Ray you raised the question as follows, and I can't see why based on the link you provided. "Proof liberal, leftistism, marxism, big government socialism causes mental illness?" Frankly, I have not seen a stretch like that since the demise of Plastic Man comic books.
It was a report of documentation in Western Europe that mental illness (including senile dementia) is on the rise in that area. There was NO documentation, nor even mention of causative factors.
Where is your link to comparitive studies in non-leftist nations? Then you may have had at least some grounds to raise the question. Actually in non-leftist countries those in power don't give a **** about the mental health of the populace so such studies don't even exist. Right?
Weak Mr.X-Ray. LOL
Mr.X-ray as to your longer piece of the evening, it is merely a repeat of your same old story so I am not going into a lengthy rebuttal AGAIN.
Instead I'll just say it this way:
Foggy old Reagan pawned most of the jewels we possess to the world's pawn brokers. Clinton worked hard, and redeemed the pawn tickets. The little fool Bush ran right back to the pawn brokers, repawning every thing Reagan had, and more. Problem is he even lost the tickets! Now Obama can't find the lost tickets. Nobody has ever had to deal with a mess like he was left, and we blame it on him? You gotta be kidding.
Flastic Man: http://www.comicvine.com/plastic-man/29-6270/
I meant Plastic Man of course. Sorry for the typo.
Labor Day & The Union Tax: How Unions Kill Jobs
What good is high pay and benefits in the unemployment line?
Wikileaks has released some information regarding the latest super hero, the mysterious Flastic Man. Word is that he is more human than most who precede him. He is often misunderstood, writes a lot, and has a proclivity for typos. A sneak peak at early captions in the first issue reveal him saying "wjy foesn't anyome evee ynderstand whst I am truing ro say?" ;)
OKR... let me ask you an question regarding my post about mental illness being caused by liberalism in Europe...... lol
Cant you take it for what it is... a joke?
However, since the majority of the nations in the EU and the extra three studied ARE mostly some type of socialist type set up then maybe there ARE valid points to my joking question.... maybe the same mentality that thinks the government can spend tons of billions and trillions of dollars to solve the worlds problems without harming the economy are the same type of mentalities that are most likely to have mental illnesses... lol
OKR ... and again. maybe you should reread... I NEVER stated that it was all Obama's fault but his tripling and quadrupling down on the same policies and bailouts and stimuli plans that have failed to jump start our economy.... even IF those types of policies would help get our economy growing UNLESS we address the spend spend spend of the Left and the RINO's and return to fiscal responsibility from top to bottom then we will NEVER actually fix the economy and those same old spend spend spend policies will be doomed to failure before they start. And so far, NO one but a few on the right, that are being bashed and vilified by the left and ignored by the RINOs, are actually willing to stand up and address the problems at the bottom of the economic problems.
As for Clinton, are you blindly buying the story that Clinton somehow had a surplus budget? LOL
news that hostage taker with the bomb must be some leftist mad at the government... lol
Has anybody noticed there is going to be a Republican debate on MSNBC? This will be interesting and I will actually watch this one.
I wonder how many questions will actually be answered at this one?
Yup WTF lovely how restricting personal freedom, and pushing God so harmoniously came together in one fell swoop. ;)
I hear they are going to start accepting food stamp debit cards at restaurants. Man I got get me one of those cards. Everybody ought to have one it just wouldn't be fair if they didn't.
No sense in butting heads to no avail X. As long as we are in the economic system that we are I will be a Keynesian. You will remain a supply sider.
The system I choose has succeeded in getting us out of the inevitable down turns time after time. The one you have chosen has failed us time after time. Hey who am I to tell you how to make your choices. I am satisfied by the simple fact that you may make your own choice.
You must live a sheltered life news.
You don't know that news you are just believing what you read. That's what they want you to believe. Without God what is true and how do you know?
It seems that everywhere in the country that is in the worst financial hardship there is either a Democrat or a union involved or both. The union thugs are running scared. Ford I hear is building a new plant in India. Really why do you think they are doing that?
Obama says he didn't hear what Hoffa said. So I guess the strategy is whatever you don't want to refute you just didn't hear it. That's why he didn't hear anything Rev. Wright said either. And to think some people voted for this guy and some of those same people will vote for him again. What did Forest Gump say,"Stupid is as stupid does". Makes more sense now then ever.
With the decline in jobs and wages the union memberships have also declined. Dont forgot republicans got 40% of the union vote in 2008, but its the radical leadership that you guys put forward that will cause this to decline.
I did hear what Hoffa said in full. A single phrase was isolated and was taken out of context. Any normal adult would know that but then again,normal adults don't watch FOX news.
You act as if he shot up an IHOP.
You're right, stupid is as stupid does.
Did anyone see the latest Tea Party rally they all dropped their Hitler signs when they heard Hoffa's speech.
Wtf don't you get tired of defending what these people do?
Post the link so we can all see that cheesy.
Flash game lets players gun down Palin, Bachmann, Fox News hosts
The flash game is sick Cheesehead, and I believe will be disavowed by the responsible left.
However, I can hear the following conversation in households somewhere in America.
Joe: What do those pinko librals think they is a doin?
Moe: Yeh, wantin to kill good God fearin Amurkins, when they oughter be like all them other good games whar we get to kill them nasty rag heads, gooks, and such.
Joe: Yup, it's positively un-Amurkin!
I'm with you OKR. That "game" is sick. Way sick.
Yup taxed payer way sick is right. Unfortunately there is a whole lot of sickness in our country right now. In my opinion it is pervasive.
Right now we are like a herd of cattle hearing thunder, and seeing lightning, still in the distance, milling, and bawling, as it gets closer, and closer. They grow ever more restless, not sure what is going to happen, not knowing why, they verge on stampede. It is the nature of the beast.
Continuing the analogy if the restless herd breaks, who knows what will happen? In one direction is a cliff, another a roaring river. there remains only one sure path to run that doesn't end in annihilation. We can only hope there is a wise bell cow that the herd will follow to a better end, instead of a bitter end.
The left came up with it okr.
Right or left, sick is sick.
You are battin' a 1000. Once again you have missed the point.
US falls to 5th in global competitiveness, survey shows
We were #1 in 2008. I guess Obama is a success he has accomplished more in 3 years to ruin this economy then any other president.
I'm impressed wtf you are consistently mean and condescending. All your liberal posters ought to be proud of you.
Gallup: Uninsured Have Increased Under Obama and Since Obamacare Was Enacted
Just like the unemployed. How is that Obama thing worked for ya'.
If you think what I post about your posts is mean and condescending then maybe you should reconsider the stuff you post.
I mean, c'mon, you quote Rush Limbaugh as if he's some sort of rational, clear thinking authority figure. What do you expect? You are consistantly a parrot who apparently lacks the ability to form their own opinion without the help of FOX news or the bible. Both of which are highly questionable sources.
Oh, and I'm rubber and you're glue.......
BTW, About "Obamacare". I prefer the term "Health Insurance Reform" because that what it really is.
If giving it a childish schoolyard name gives you your jolly's then go for it.
How much of the bill has actually been enacted? What parts are in actually force right now? I'm curious........
Evenin ND...been missing your illustrious presence.
See what I mean? Exactly!
What kind of cheese do you like?
I like liberal cheese because the whine comes with it.
I don't like right wing cheese because it has no taste, it isn't nutritional, and is full of holes.
See, that's what happens when you don't have to support an industrial military complex and police the world.
"Following the president's state of the union speech, Walsh remarked that he did not believe there should be a social safety net because it is not in the Constitution."
Rep. Joe Walsh really is hard core, and when he says it he means it, to the point that he will not provide a safety net to his own children. I wonder if that is going to be his defense in the child support suit? After all if it doesn't say you have to do something in the Constitution, then you shouldn't have to do it. He is a man of values, and convictions, end of story.
Who watched the pre-game show and who watched Obama? Tough decision. lol
One thing we learned from the Republican debate was 'that any one of them is better then what we got'. If Obama was white the Dems would run someone against him in the primary but since he is black they need to protect him.
Just a guess News, I haven't checked it out. Would that be the Constitution Party?
Sometimes I just get "wore slick" as some of my old work mates at F. M. Stamper Co. used to say.
I get wore slick at the insanity of how our government avoids dealing with our economic depression, including not even having the guts to call it what it is.
I get wore slick at their craven behavior in the face of a war that they know has failed. A war that continues to kill women, children, and our own citizens. Ten years is far more than enough already.
And sometimes I even get wore slick at ancillary matters connected to the endless war. Such as the fact that after ten years, TEN YEARS, we the complacent people of America do not have even ONE contemporary anti-war anthem that we have taken to our hearts, and sing with one voice all across America.
We need a song, at least one song for God's sake, of the people, by the people. A true song of the folk. One that makes us sob, one that sends chills down our spine, puts a lump in our throat, and raises the hair on the back of our necks. One that makes us feel the pain, and heart ache of the families of the dead, and maimed. And not just the heart ache of those families in America, but also the ones in Afghanistan, and Iraq, and every where else that fruitless war exists.
When will we ever learn, oh when will we ever learn.
Why don't you run for president?
Sure I was serious about rr3yvo ;)
I would love to see how rr3yvo would fix all of our problems in four years without any help at all from congress. I would love to see how they pull that off.
quick question, why do we always blame the president who sits for a maximum of 8 years?
congress has members who have been bending us over the couch for decades and we dont seem to hold them responsible.
have we resigned to the fact that congress is no longer a useful governing body?
It would explain why the last several wars were begun with out so much as asking the only branch of our government who is allowed to declare war.
I really dont know please give me your input.
Can we all agree that regardless of our iealogical leaning, government is bought and paid for? The super wealthy don't have to break laws because they can afford to change them.
So I guess the real question is what can we really do about it?
Paid for and kept in pocket. yep I aggree
I really appreciate the support news but I will never run for office because I like to keep all of my skeletons where they belong, in the closet.
I HAD forgotten about that one News. Thanks for the reminder.
I think that we at the time just didn't pay much attention to it, as we were focused on Nam. After all, there were nearly ten thousand of our troops killed there in 1967, and over fifty thousand wounded. Add to that the fact that LBJ by that time had totally lost his moral bearing, partially from all the lies he had told about the war, made one more lie, and cover up, easy for him.
You may hav seen this, if not you may find it interesting. http://www.ifamericansknew.org/us_ints/ul-commfindings.html
pacifism, ignoring reality and appeasement are what leads people and nations like Hitler and Germany to obtain so much power and cause so much destruction.
I hope the headline of 500 tea party protesters taking hostage and the following article get your attention and you left leaning closed minded people can understand that the media IS biased AGAINST the tea party and against the right and that the UNIONS are doing more and more violent things against people, most of whom are innocent people and the media is IGNORING it... but were ONE single tea partier to do something like this then the media would be having a hay day.... just as they did with the shooting in Arizona blaming the actions or a KNOWN crazy person upon a imaginary tea party connection. LOL
here is different link because I know some of you will cry about a "Big" website.
Pacifying and appeasing the has led to the destruction of this country. By not recognizing the danger of the liberal media. So much power and so much destruction. We built the Empire State Building in 18 months during a depression but we can't fill a hole in New York in 10 years because it is not politically correct or we may offend someone. What happened to American excellence? We have given it up for political correctness and compromise. Whenever we compromise we lose and we are losing this country because of it. The only way to get it back is to stand for what we believe and defeat our enemies. You only have victory when your enemy is defeated otherwise you prolong the agony and the pain.
Now there is a law suit waiting to happen. I can see the plaintiff winning all the way to the Supreme Court appeal where he would lose by a 5-4 decision. http://freewoodpost.com/2011/09/05/jesus-christ-files-lawsuit-against-gop-for-sl...
I got to call you on this one. Everyone knows that our American God( you know the one our country was founded upon ) is the one true god.
Therefore we have the god given right to do as we please when and where we want. Even if our last president and vice-president are scared to leave the country for fear of arrest. Interesting paradox.
If we found out that our Government has been one big scam in the last 20 years ! What would be done by the People? I think absolutely nothing!Its clear to me we have become absolutely passive to these Politician Freaks! They are all one big zero,in my Opinion.
Unfortunately it's been much longer than 20 years. What can we do? Nothing. Big money will see to that. Oh, They let us have our little elections for the sake of passivity, to lull us into thinking we actually have a say in how our country is governed.
news... one problem... major problem... you so called "permanent" jobs on infrastructure ARE NOT, WERE NOT shovel ready. AND more importantly, what happens several years down the road when those jobs start on their end phases and the ground/foundation work is done and more and more groups of workers have no more "GOVERNMENT SPONSORED" work to do? The answer is simple. The economy crashes again because there will be a sudden explosion of unemployment again. The answer is NOT government unStimuli but is in fact getting our house in order fiscally and stop this culture of spend spend spend that the political elite on BOTH sides of the aisle have grown accustomed to.
Here is an interesting read regarding the failings of wind energy and how this is NOT as "green" or efficient as the media, the greenies like Al Gore and Obama would like us to believe.
Lets see how you all respond to the actual WHOLE text of Palin's labor day speech... are you lefty hacks open minded enough to agree with Palin and her views of how established political careerists of BOTH parties are invested in continuing to spend billions and trillions and how they keep the REAL Americans of ANY political persuasion down and both sides of the career political establishment love crises and scare tactics and how the big businesses are in bed with BOTH parties and because of this we cant EVER really solve our economic problems on the short term or the long term.
2012 may be the first election that over 50% of the eligible voters don't pay any taxes because of low income or a recipient of some social program. Is that fair to the tax payers? I think one thing has been proven extending unemployment benefits and expanding social programs don't create jobs.
I just asked if it was fair to the tax payers Nana?
Forget about it Nana don't worry about it. Jeez!
Nana you are the one always about fairness and you never answered the question. So don't worry about it I tried to keep it simple for some dialogue, not attack. Sorry, calm down.
This is why only a select few post on here.
Nana I asked "Is that fair to the tax payers?" Pretty simple 'Yes' or 'No' I implied nothing you did for a petty argument. Get over it.
These Creeps are doing there damndest to make it difficult to vote in a bunch of States! Why do you think that is? Its Republicans doing it. Don't you even get a hint that somethings going on?They can blow all the smoke they want,there is not a fair voting system in this Country anymore! There is no, (in my opinion)a way of changing it but spitting in everyone of their faces that lie too us! Im 76 years old and would give the rest my life to be one of the officer to arrest one, or all of the lying fools for something! All of the dumbfools! I sat all day Sunday listening to all the liars who were telling the rescue workers back in 2001 that the air was safe,and now the Government don't want to make things right for them,what kind of Country does this say we have? Get out of your easy chairs and start raising hell with these dishonorable ba****** any way you can!! We are the Government!
Perhaps folks would like to see the mayor's motivation behind his unilateral decision to inject religion into our city government.
These folks believe that we can't be a partiot without god in our goverment.
This is excactly why religion and government do not mix.
Now here is a liberal all you Marshall liberals probably idolize! Notice the date and time of this rant of irrational hatred for someone and how VILE his words are and on a day reserved for remembering and honoring those that died at the hands of Islamic Terrorists.
Why are you not declaring that Paul Krugman should be fired and forced to apoligize?
September 11, 2011, 8:41 AM
The Years of Shame
Is it just me, or are the 9/11 commemorations oddly subdued?
Actually, I don't think it's me, and it's not really that odd. What happened after 9/11 -- and I think even people on the right know this, whether they admit it or not -- was deeply shameful. Te [sic] atrocity should have been a unifying event, but instead it became a wedge issue. Fake heroes like Bernie Kerik, Rudy Giuliani, and, yes, George W. Bush raced to cash in on the horror. And then the attack was used to justify an unrelated war the neocons wanted to fight, for all the wrong reasons.
A lot of other people behaved badly. How many of our professional pundits -- people who should have understood very well what was happening -- took the easy way out, turning a blind eye to the corruption and lending their support to the hijacking of the atrocity?
The memory of 9/11 has been irrevocably poisoned; it has become an occasion for shame. And in its heart, the nation knows it.
I'm not going to allow comments on this post, for obvious reasons.
Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matthew-sheffield/2011/09/11/paul-krugman-sociopath...
news... again... infrastructure jobs subsidized by the government will ultimately END even if they are privatized. This is no different than artificially stimulating the auto market with cash for clunkers... ultimately the people who were planning on buying in the next 6-12 months bought early and there was a lull in purchases as those who wanted to and could buy had already purchased. Sure the economy might get a bump as there are people working and spending what they make BUT we have already supposedly had a stimulus plan but the shovel ready jobs were not shovel ready (Obama thought this was funny!) How can we justify giving our HARD EARNED wages to an inept government that just proves over and over and over that it is inept and inefficient and corrupt and wasteful?
News... lol real MATURE attitude... simply because you dont like a person (Palin) you dont want to read what she stated and discuss it... LOL
MXR I read your post about 9-11, and thought what an insightful post. That is until I realized that what had impressed me was Krugman's words. There were no quote marks around them so I was slow to realize that I was reading his words, not yours. For a moment I thought you had seen the light.
What a great day News. The next time you are going there send me a ticket, and I'll join in. I do toss back a pint of Guiness now, and then. ;)
Nothing like sharing a pint. What a wonderful day that would be.
News thanks for the invite. I doubt I will make it except in spirit...broad sense of spirit, no insinuation of haunting intended.
You are always welcome in Oklahoma, you too ND, though for the life of me I can't fathom why either of you would want to come here. Well...maybe a sociological field trip to see what happens when the Tea Party takes over. ;)
News... here is a GREAT example when you try to allow the government to FORCE some sort of "Jobs" stimulus....
Solyndra fails after 535 MILLION in government backed (TAXPAYER BACKED) dollars.
IRONICALLY Bush and his Admin REFUSED to loan this company money. Why? Because this company claimed to be able to work magic by creating something at the cost of $6.00 but being able to sell it for $3.00..... I guess that simple math got lost on the Obama Admin who DID loan that money to a political campaign contributor.
Another example in this same industry..... greed graft and corrpution all in the LIBERALLY pushed Green industry where these companies are after FREE money from the government KNOWING UP FRONT that they can waste it because if they fail the tax payer will pay off their loan.
More irony... Obama to tout "NEW" jobs bill at a Company that is outsourcing HALF of its work force to Costa Rica. AGAIN to another campaign contributor. FUNNY... the ONLY jobs Obama has seemed to create are jobs that are going over seas... unless you are counting those imaginary jobs saved that have been proved... imaginary.
news... what dont you get about your ideas about economics.. the money you purpose to use for a quadrillion, or however much money is enough, ALL Comes from two places... tax payers which RUINS the economy by taking away money from individuals where it is removed from the economy and put into a red tape, fraud and waste filled, corrupt political machine OR it is obtained by taking out more loans or printing more money BOTH of which have consequences of HUGE debt finance charges and forcing our inflation higher.
The flaw is NOT fiscally conservative policies the flaw is the idea that the tax payer can fund more and more and more and more and more and more, infinite increases in our BUDGET when our economy is SHRINKING! Good grief.
So to fund your bazillion dollar stimulus can you PLEASE tell me where your money tree is hiding.
With Obama's bailouts and stimuli plans and failed promises of unemployment not over 8% and all of the cash for clunkers and other tax payer funded bad attempts at fixing our economy the numbers do not lie.
Record number of poor in 2010, up 3.4 MILLION from 2009
Real median income dipped below 50K per year, the first time since 1996
More than a quarter of American households earned less than $25,000 a year in 2010. Adjusting for inflation, that hasn't happened since 1994
Young Americans, aged 15 to 24, saw their incomes fall by nearly 10 percent between 2009 and 2010
Minorities saw their incomes decline further than whites. By 2010, white Americans' median incomes were down 5.4 percent from their pre-recession peak. Hispanics and Asians each saw incomes drop by about 7.5 percent in that timeframe. For African-Americans, they dropped 10 percent
Even the rich have suffered (really). While median incomes stagnated in the 2000s, the highest-earning Americans saw their incomes grow throughout the decade. The recession and its aftermath have wiped out those income gains at the top. In 2010, income at the lower bound of the top 10 percent of earners was $138,923 -- a 3.5 percent drop from its pre-recession peak.
22% of children are now living below the poverty line, the biggest percentage since 1993.
BUT before you claim that the rich are getting richer and the divide between the richest and the poorest is growing the Census bureau put out these stats
Meanwhile, the gap between the best-off and worst-off Americans remained largely unchanged. The top fifth of households accounted for 50.2% of all pre-tax income; the bottom two-fifths got 11.8%. In 1999, the top fifth claimed 49.4% and the bottom got 12.5% of the income.
Foreclosures up 200% in the month of August.
So all in all the whole concept of borrowing and stealing from the tax payers is FAILING on a very dramatic scale. The spend spend spend policies of Bush and exponentially greater by Obama are not working.
News I hope you are right, I can't see it happening but we need to be optimistic.
I'm not that optimistic that any of this can be changed.Especially in a sane nonviolent manner. Do you see what People of color or the Gay community went through. I was one of the ignorant in my younger days,something i'm not proud of in my life, but true! It takes some living to see how wrong i was. So the People we have in Washington now are worse, because this group (can't) be Honest about anything! Its also a big majority of the People have lost all empathy for others.If you seen this last debate and Paul waS asked about someone without Insurance being cared for, or left to die, this answer was shocking,when the People clapped and some said let them Die! This makes my blood boil! I better let this go before they have to Delete this!
Nana,News: Keep your optimism,i've run a little short! News, i bet it was a delightful change when you relocate to Australia? Sounds great! Have a great day you guys!
nanadot... here is a repost of Census Bureau data explaining that your concept of the rich getting richer is FALSE.
news... it is naive, intellectually disingenuous or willfully ignorant to believe that ONLY one party caused any or all of our economic problems. LOL if you truly believe that then you truly dont understand how US Politics works.
I agree, however, that we need to drastically redo how the function of the "lobby" system works. AND how our campaign funding and donations works because all that breeds is career politicians who only care about where their campaign dollars are coming from and then how to "pay back" those donors with special favors, special considerations in legislation or cushy jobs after their political careers.
Part of the problem in our political world is that people like you believe that one party is to blame. lol
News... another problem you have is that you are incapable of dealing with reality versus theory, when it comes to economics. You believe in a THEORY, whatever name you want to give it. Then because you believe in a theory you assume that every person who does not believe like you must beleive in a THEORY of a different name, such as Keyesian economics for you and capitalism for me.
The problem with THEORIES in economics is that real life does NOT follow any theory specifically or even closely. The United States of America does not have a capitalism economic system because we do try to provide some entitlements to people without and we do try to manipulate and control and bailout businesses that someone considers too large to fail and other examples.
So the problem when you argue theories comes when you attempt to hold to theoretical principles when in reality those principles are basically ignored or changed.
However, when it comes to your idea that a government can redistribute wealth infinitely on the backs of less than half of the citizenry who are paying taxes (Half are considered too poor to pay and another portion are rich enough to have tax shelters and loop holes) your THEORY fails in real life. Your theory attempts to allow the government to coerce, legislate, mandate and control equalness. However, anyone with common sense knows that attempts at forced equalness does not work. Why? Because human nature, nature in generarl, dictates that NO two humans are equal. They dont think alike, they were not raised and nurtured alike, they were not educated alike, they are from different genders, races, and cultures. Some are good at math, some science, some philosophy, some sports, some are good at running a business and managing people and resources, some have mental problems, health problems, some are good at running a family, some are good at farm work, carpentry. BUT some are good for doing fast food jobs and then some are good for NOTHING lazy dead beats.
Then ONLY way wealth redistribution would or could function is if ALL people were motivated to exploit their specific talents 100% of the time AND if the people running the governments and bureacracies were incorruptable, and ONLY concerned with the welfare of the citizens and NOT their own pocketbooks. Wealth redistribution economic theories IGNORE the corruptable, survival of the fittest tendancies that humans, along with all animals in nature, have.
Because we are "human" and are not perfect we will ALWAYS have some who are over achievers and some who are dead beats and some who are only looking out for number one and some who only want to take advantage of everyone else. THIS is what theories cannot and have not taken into consideration.
This is why unfettered capitalism is also a theory that has it flaws. In order for pure capitalism to function as people think in theory, you have to believe that no one will be out to take advantage of other people. The problem with capitalism today is not that it is a bad theory but that the people legislating are beholden to businesses and corporations and to other special interest groups like George Soros funds and Unions and Petroleum and Pharma companies. Capitalism has not failed, it has been corrupted by the political process causing bad for the nation policies written by people from BOTH parties.
At least capitalism, in theory allows for people to succeed and be rewarded for their time, effort, and financial risks. Your theory wants to keep the over acheivers down and raise the dead beats up so that all people are forced to be equal.... you tell me which one allows for a better chance at people striving to become better people.
Changing the subject...
More bad news for Al Gore....
This "Nobel prize winning Physicist resigns from the premier physics society over the society's claim that man made global warming science is incontrovertible. Incontrovertible means unquestionable or impossible to dispute. Here is a quote that I found funny but important.
"In the APS it is ok to discuss whether the mass of the proton changes over time and how a multi-universe behaves, but the evidence of global warming is incontrovertible?" he wrote in an email to Kate Kirby, executive officer of the physics society.
"The claim ... is that the temperature has changed from ~288.0 to ~288.8 degree Kelvin in about 150 years, which (if true) means to me is that the temperature has been amazingly stable, and both human health and happiness have definitely improved in this 'warming' period,"
THIS is what happens when politics and science attempt to work together... corrupted, bad science all in an attempt to garner more and more grant money.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/09/14/nobel-prize-winning-physicist-resigns-...
Dont' believe in global warming and changing weather patterns? Instead of listening to FOX news, why don't you talk to a farmer.
I have worked for several farmers over the years and none of them believe it. Weather is cyclical sometimes its too hot, sometimes its too cold, sometimes its too dry and sometimes its too wet but then today it is just right.
I heard today that 'The Beast' Obama's presidential limousine weighs 8 tons, without Michelle.
I've wondered if these statistic that they are always throwing around is just another argument to remove most of the middle class,and have things their way. Some People can make an argument to any subject with statistic that hasn't worked in the past to correct anything! Only to sit you up for the kill! That's why i'm a sceptic about all these figures their always spouting! I respect Knowledgeable People but, they can sure jab it to a big majority of the People, if they want to use it that way!I'm not a highly Educated, obviously & (regrettably) ,but very seldom am i ever scammed by anyone!
You're right it's global weather patterns.
Whats the difference between Obamacare and a car battery?
The car battery has a positive side.
"I heard today that 'The Beast' Obama's presidential limousine weighs 8 tons, without Michelle"
Is that truth or fact? I won't even comment on how childish that comment makes you sound but I will say that it is NOT Obama's presidential limousine. It is THE presidential limosine and will be used by whom ever follows president Obama. What, did you think president personally ordered it simply for his amusement? If you did then once again you would be wrong.
Michelle is quite fit and an advocate for healthy eating and physical fitness for children. Your statment implies that she is "large" and once again your are wrong. Do you get royalties on wrong? If not you should because you sure are wrong alot.
Once again you have exposed yourself for what you are.
Rolling Stone? That hippie rag? Lol.....
What's the difference between the GOP and a slow painful death..? Really, can anyone tell me?
Why did God give liberals annoying, whiny voices?
So that even the blind could hate them.
"Sticks and stones may break my bones but christians will always judge me...."
Even with Obama our system of checks and balances still work.
He writes the check and we pay the balance.
Oh golly, what has he done now?
You know all this cooler weather we are having maybe an ice age is coming. No wait that was in the 1970,s, I forgot all this cooler weather is global warming now.
(To a tour guide at Monticello after seeing busts of George Washington and Ben Franklin.)
"Who are these people?"--Al Gore
Why do so many liberals live in LA?
It's the only city easy enough for them to spell.
lol What the F.... I never said that I did not believe that the Earth has changing weather/climate patterns... but the KEY word is PATTERNS.... or in a different word, cycles... the Earth has had climate cycles since it has been in existence. The Point, if you chose to explore reality instead Al Gore TV is NOT that the earth may or may not be warming, the point is that the SCIENCE was falsified, skewed to support a preconceived idea, or other opinions about why the Earth MIGHT be warming were ignored for the favored 'hypothesis' of the moment. The quote from the article was telling...
"~288.0 to ~288.8 degree Kelvin in about 150 years, which (if true) means to me is that the temperature has been amazingly stable, and both human health and happiness have definitely improved in this 'warming' period,"
SO what the F... can you tell me some sort of evidence that the climate is warming is and how an increase in 1.44 degrees Fahrenheit over 150 years is a crisis? ESPECIALLY when you consider the earth has had ice ages and warming spells accounted for all through its history?
Nanadot... any data can be skewed to prove any point you want.
The really important fact is that Obama and the leading Dems have been courting the BILLIONAIRES and MILLIONAIRES just as hard or harder over time and especially since the 2000s. GE is in bed with Obama, billionaires and millionaires are benefiting from a horribly run, corrupt program to get tax payer backed loans or grants for green energy businesses, when in fact the BUSH admin refused to give out the loans to them but when they donated large amounts to Obama and Dems suddenly they were somehow sound businesses, even though their employees KNEW they were going to fail. I love how you attempt to say over and over and over that it is only the Repubs that are favoring rich people... lol wake up to reality
The Political class of career politicians and their aides and advisors and lobbyists are on a tax payer gravy train and that political class is made up of BOTH PARTIES..EQUALLY corrupt.
You believe we had an ice age?
Here are some good ole Liberal leftist Obama supporters behaving with courtesy, honor, dignity and peace.... NOT!!!! MORE examples of VIOLENT and threats of violence simply because of ideological differences... HOWEVER no media attention.... and hey besides these two examples... how about the Union in Washington or Oregon that took hostages, damaged trains and were threatening violence?
Hey xray do you believe we had an ice age? Duhaha! LOL
well? Did we have an ice age or not?
Give me your biblical blah blah blah about how the ice age caused the flood that caused noah to build a boat and two of each animal and blah blah blah blah.
So I've notice a growing trend -- growing faster in recent weeks, in fact -- of a return to personal attacks, scorn, snarkiness and just plain meanness, especially on the politics and religion forums. I understand how easy it is to succumb to the temptation, but I'd like to remind everyone:
Put away your verbal scatterguns
Thou shalt not spit, snark or snarl
Can we tone it down a bit?
Thank you Eric.
Quite everybody, Dad's home. Lol.....
What's this? A joke off?.....Hmm...
Exclusive: Nobel Prize-Winning Physicist Who Endorsed Obama Dissents! Resigns from American Physical Society Over Group's Promotion of Man-Made Global Warming
"Global warming has become a new religion. We frequently hear about the number of scientists who support it. But the number is not important: only whether they are correct is important. We don't really know what the actual effect on the global temperature is. There are better ways to spend the money."
Maybe we should discuss this in the religion forum. Hehe!
Re-booting News. Thanks for asking my friend.
Eric: i hope your not trying to calm People down for saying what they feel.Do you think that's right? Its not like we're going too jump through the PC with weapons or anything. I Personally think it needs to be directed at some of the Media and all of the Politicians! They have tried to terrify us for years , to help their agenda, and everyone is sick of it! Its time for People to get a little uncivilized. Nothing has been said that would shock anyone!Its gotten a little silly with some very serious subject, that are not funny at all! But like they say if you can't joke about some of it you could loose it! I wouldn't want to have you Job and Judge what People can say!!!
I find it funny that Ryan goes on Fox news and tries to accuse our President of trying to divide the people when this is Fox news #1 priority. I guess his next interview will be with Rush Limbaugh. This guy is way too arrogant.
Remember the Reagan era, Ronald Reagan was president, Bob Hope and Johnny Cash was still with us?
Well, now we have Obama, no hope, and no cash.
Is The Administration Going to Use GM to Distract from Solyndra?
What will be the story when in 2-3 years or less GM will again be on the verge of bankruptcy? Another bailout for the unions?
Little know fact: A million people attended Obama's inauguration, only fourteen people had to take off work.
What exactly are you trying to say? Is that a black joke? Or, if folks were just out of work what does that say about who President Obama was replacing? You might wanna leave the jokes to the grown ups.
You know news sometimes I think we are the only one's with a sense of humor. But nonetheless I am glad someone can appreciate it.
Obama's campaign is going to be about class warfare. His only hope for reelection is to pit the poor against the evil rich, and private sector against evil corporations. Obama's cabinet has the least private sector experience of any president and we wonder why we have such incompetence from the White House. They don't know how to create jobs. Obama can't run on success and won't even try to run on Obamacare or the stimulus. Their only success is to stimulate class warfare. So who can you afford to vote for?
I think Huntsman and Paul should go Democrat and run against Obama.
In the 18 months prior to the Bush tax cuts we lost 267,000 jobs. Then in the 18 months after the Bush tax cuts we added 300,000 jobs. Then in the next 19 months anothe 5,000,000 jobs were added.
What numbers do you believe? Can we really know what the REAL numbers are?
I'll bet Jesus wouldn't be defending the wealthy. You bet this is class warfare and the working class is getting slaughtered. The rich can afford to buy politicians and manipulate the law. You wanna defend that? Good luck getting your camel through the eye of that needle.
WWJD? rr3yvo, WWJD?
The top 1% pay about 40% of the taxes and the top 5% pay about 70% of the taxes and we have about 47% that pay no income tax. Everybody wants the rich to pay their fair share but nobody will define it. I guess if you want to demonize the rich then you never plan to be on, you're right.
What would Jesus do?
Maybe your right, but then again maybe not. Only rr3yvo knows for sure. I sure would like him to answer my last two questions: What would Jesus do? I wonder why he seems to be avoiding that question?
Wtf I really don't know what Jesus would do but I do know that some of the people that Jesus used in the bible were very wealthy. One thing I think Jesus would realize is in our world to do much of anything and to help someone takes money and if you do it on a large scale it takes lots of it. The reason the you demonize the rich is because you aren't and you can't honestly say you would act any different if you were in their shoes because you haven't been their nor done that. You let the rich politicians tell you the rich need to pay their fair share so you will vote for them time and time again so they can maintain power to make you poorer so you will continue to hate the rich. Now that is class warfare but it is being committed by the very people that always promise to make it better. I'm sorry that you just can't see it.
It's funny as to why you would want to know what would Jesus do? You employ the very tactic that politicians use to get you to dislike one class over another. Jesus never mentioned anything about fair share either.
AP Debunks Obama's Claim Millionaires Don't Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes
Even the media is getting tired of covering the class warfare and report some actual facts.
Just as I suspected. That's funny. In every other scenario you seem to know, in detail, just exactly what Jesus would do. This has nothing to do with the difference in tax rate between the ultra-wealthy and the working class even though that is actually the case. This has to do with your utter hatred of the president. Own your feelings and admit it even though we already know it.
You said right in your post:
"One thing I think Jesus would realize is in our world to do much of anything and to help someone takes money and if you do it on a large scale it takes lots of it."
Well,that's right and that is what a government is for and the nice thing is that all of our citizens should get the exact same benefits of our government. Should out military only defend the rich?
How is it you don't know what Jesus would do but you know exactly what I would do? That's a pretty bold statement.
I can tell you one thing. A person cannot obtain that kind of wealth without stepping on people to get it. There are exceptions of course but those are few and far between.
The ulra-wealthy buy the laws.That is a fact. I'm not surprised that you can't see that but then again, like religion, you believe what you want to believe. I won't confuse you with the facts.
I'm not sure you should be accusing others of not seeing things when you seem to be a person who is easily distracted by shiney objects and promises of eternal life.
You are right Nana but that would be for God not government.
Wtf man I am sure glad I did exactly as you suspected, I was nervous there for a second. I also figured you would think government is the answer. That's what is wrong with the country know too much government not enough God.
Wtf would you please tell me of a time in history the rich didn't buy the laws? Money talks and we all know what walks.
That the best you got?
I mean really wtf what is your deal? Does it really matter what I say that you will not refute or try to tell me that I am not quite as smart as you? It is getting to the point I feel stupid to even take the time to answer you.
...as George Bush would say:
"The only thing that ever consoles man for the stupid things he does is the praise he always gives himself for doing them."
Excellent quote! I can't imagine anything more fitting of GW Bush.
News you forgot god.
I vote for mowing the lawn
I sent this letter to the mayor 4 times before I got a response.
"Dear Mr. Mayor,
As I sit firmly in the buckle of the bible belt I am acutely aware that this letter will find itself in the minority opinion.
Your unilateral decision to place "IN GOD WE TRUST" on the entrance to the council chambers is, in my opinion, an abuse of your office. I am particularly bothered by the way it came about. Letters from law firms that encouraged this, or perhaps even dared you to do it.
I would like to see a copy of that letter.
I believe that you are also a Pastor, is that correct? Why can we not keep religion in the churches? It seems to me as if you may be having a hard time separating your duties as mayor, who is a representative of everyone and a Pastor who apparently feels he speaks for everyone. I can assure you sir, that is not the case.
I am also particularly bothered that you put the city council in the no win situation of having to go along with you or look very bad had they shown any opposition. But then again they really didn't have that opportunity, did they?
I have spoken via e-mail with my council representatives and I feel I am not mis-stating my facts. If I am wrong please correct me.
As a citizen, you have the right to worship however you see fit but as mayor you do not posses the right to inject your religious beliefs into our city government.
I sincerely hope you will take that into condsideration should a similar situation arise.
I would not be surprised that our local religious folks now feel as if they can expand on this and inject thier religious beliefs at will into other aspects of our local government.
I would also like to know if you will make public the letter you received from the law firm and I would further like to know just exactly what your motivation was behind this. It seems to me as if the city govt. seemed to function very well before the motto. Why now? What exactly are you trying to say.? The website "In God We Trust-America" with whom you are apprently in league, tell me that I am not a patriot unless this motto adorns the walls of my local government council chambers.It saddens me that you cannot see the absurdity in that . Perhaps you just don't want to.
I would like to know sir if that is how you feel, do you endorse that statement?
In closing I would suggest that if you really feel the need to have a motto, you may want to condsider "E Pluribis Unum" or "Of Many, one"
He did send a copy of the letter. I can't post it because it was a PDF. It was fairly plain, asking the mayor if he would consider placing "In God We Trust" in the council chambers or courthouse. It went on to say that hundreds of cities accross Missouri like Branson, Springfield, Jeff City etc. had already done so with unanimous resolutions.
Appratenly the letter also came with an information packet that that was most likely provided by the website In God we Trust America". This is the site that basically says we have to do this to be considered patriots.
This is verbatim from the website:
In God We Trust ~ America, Inc.
"To Promote Patriotism
By Encouraging Elected Officials
To Legally Display Our National Motto,
"In God We Trust"
In Every City, County and State Chamber in America"
Here's a link to the site:
Here is the mayor's response to my letter.
Please keep in mind the council never voted on a resolution or approved funds until the motto had already been put in place.
"Sorry I have been out of the office, attached is a copy of the letter from the law firm. A copy was given to the news media last week. The mention of the web site IGWT.... is only to show the cities, counties, and states that have placed "In God We Trust" on/in their buildings, we are not in "league" with their statements.
The motto was placed in our city offices building after much thought and discussion with all the council members, city attorneys, and the researching of it. We discussed it with the council members individually, who agreed to it before it was placed in the foyer.
Thank you for your interest and your thoughts, sorry again for the slow response."
I was unimpressed by the mayor's response and still have no idea if any media printed the letter from the law firm. Folks can visit the website and draw their own conclusions. As for me I feel it is nothing short of a crusade.
RR#: I don't question your Intellect,just the way i perceive you Personally! You seem to be against anything that would be right for others! You have to be a very lonely and rejected Person! (In my Opinion) I won't say more eric may Delete Me. I get kind of colorful with my Language,if i don't watch it!
As News would say WTF, good on you mate!
Thanks news my respect for you has grown over time. One thing about it Jo doesn't mince words or play games. It is probably a good thing that our language can't become too colorful on here. I am just as proud to be an American as anyone else on here. I do believe this country is headed in the wrong direction and the problem is not necessarily Democrat or Republican problem it is a government problem and we should be learning that more of it only makes the problem worse.
I appreciate the comments but I don't feel the mayor and council are scumbags at all. One of the councilman is a very good friend of mine but he doesn't serve my ward and I haven't talked to him about it yet. I just hope in the future they keep in mind that like oil and water, religion and politics don't mix.
What is the source of the money that creates wealth in this country?
Elizabeth Warren: "There Is Nobody In This Country Who Got Rich On His Own"
Do people that vote actually believe this?
Is what she said true or not? You made the post. Why don't you tell us specifcally what you don't agree with.
I asked the question you didn't answer. I wonder why?
If we take all of the money away from the rich, who's going to give you a job? Oh I forgot we have unemployment.
I think she's hit the nail right on the head, RR. She doesn't say "take all the money from the rich." She's says the rich should honor their obligations to the society that provided them the means to get rich. Sounds honorable and fair to me.
Obama wants us to believe that the middle class pays a higher tax rate then the rich. While there are some that make over $1 million, pay no taxes but on average the taxes on the rich are at a higher rate. Obama is misleading people to get votes and yes he is playing class warfare.
I agree taxedpayer but she makes it sound like you can go out and build a successful business overnight and somehow escape paying anything in taxes along the way. Also if they end up employing 10 people, 100 people, or even 1000 or more they will all pay taxes too. Where are all these tax returns of ALL the rich that don't pay?
I see your point, RR. I can see how you could get that from her comments. I guess much depends on what context we notice or bring with us. She specifically mentions the Bush tax cuts, which primarily benefitted the wealthy. And what I have in the back of my mind as I listen is the GOP pledge to never raise taxes, at all, ever, for any reason. The impression I always get from the GOP is that taxes generally are an seen as an affront, an unreasonable burden on good, productive investors. There's more talk about cutting, cutting, cutting and less talk about what's fair and what's necessary. The tax antagonism always seems to gloss over the value we get for our taxes, which is what Warren is highlighting.
What about all the corporations who move thier headquarters out of our country to avoid taxation but still expect to enjoy the benefits that our taxes pay for?
News when the president misleads the public to think that one class is evil to get votes from another class is class warfare. They always try to divide the 'have's' and the 'have not's'. If you 'have it' you are evil and if you 'have not' then we are from the government and we are here to help you. And if those evil Republicans try to change it or take it away we will accuse them of trying to starve the poor and the elderly so you will continue to vote for us because we are here to help you. Don't you get it.
How much of our infrastucture that the tax payers finance does business utilize everyday? Seems to me they would want to do thier part to kick in and not use every possible means to get out of it.
Here's a short list, feel free to add on.
Natiional Weather Service
Air Traffic Controllers
Subsidies for oil,energy, agriculture, rail etc.
Like it or not, tax dollars make our world go around. I would argue that it is actually tax dollars that create the jobs, not the uber-wealthy,tax-dodging,system manipulating "job creators" who have no problems utilizing our tax payer based infrastructure that is now cumbling down around us because they can't be bothered to kick in thier fair share. Actually, the go to great lengths to get out of it. Buying our polititcians and supreme court is the first thing that comes to mind.
rr3yvo, I look forward to your defense of the corporations.
you are absolutley right.
Oh, I forgot about space. All of our satellite technology we enjoy and the means to get them into space were the result of tax payer funded programs. NASA.
Two sides of the same counterfeit coin. http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/two_heads_of_one_political_monster_20110922/
They once showed us war, my how we reacted.
Now wars are all hidden and quickly redacted.
And those that must serve are simply contracted.
And those who fight back are often extracted.
And wars needing end instead are protracted.
And leaders don't mean it they have just acted.
And a million people have just been subtracted.
And nobody noticed because they were distracted.
And nobody cares why or how that impacted.
Where in the h*ll is the new generation of hippies.
Apparently the only thing they don't make in China is condoms.
Beware of the 'Gaystapo'
Seems that tolerance is a one way street.
The Democrats Hypocrite Oath
This is what I have been trying to tell you.
Oh goodie! Rr3yvo found a new website.
"Make no mistake, Israel's existence is under threat." The most dire problem that Israel faces is not what you think, and whatever we, or any other Peace Broker does, can not fix it.http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-09-23/knight-make-no-mistake-israels-existence-is-under-threat/2935080
Link to article below. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-09-23/knight-make-no-mistake-israels-existence-i...
Keynesian economics... how our liberal spend spend spend politicians are ruining our economy...they are doing nothing but polishing rotten apples.... read the story to understand
I KNOW I KNOW.. you hate "big" websites... grow up and read something other than an article that feeds ONLY your specific, narrow point of view.
And another story about a story about how the Dems new banking rules are harming the economy and small business job creators.
Where are you liberal whiners? Obama and Solyndra scandal... talk about crony capitalism and corporatism.... I mean you liberals LOVE to cry about the right and their corporatism and crony capitalism.... where are your tears about the Dems and obama? Funny how Pelosi and others have invested heavily in green (FAILING) energy companies and then bent the rules and made BAD investments with tax payers monies to provide special favors to high dollar campaign contributors and their FAILING businesses... Where are those liberal tears? Why are you not calling them evil rich people in bed with evil businesses?
"For a party and a man that hold deep reservations towards capitalism, Democrats certainly jump at the chance to ride it -- like all those corporate fat cats in their private jets! -- when it suits their needs. Ah, but you see the argument isn't over capitalism. That's just bread tossed out for the masses."
news... according to you "Rich dont create jobs demand does" I agree that we have to have a demand for a good or service before there is a viable market for those goods or services.... HOWEVER, if we did not have people with money and/or assets to fund the business start up how would all of these businesses get started? If it were not for people with the financial means to invest in a wide variety or investments or businesses where would capital (money) come from for expansions? Where would the government get money from the selling of bonds and other financials?
Exactly who would spend billions on wind farms or other green energy businesses that you expect to magically pop up?
The way you state it the rich have no role in a healthy economy nor in a recovery from our horrible economic disaster.
To follow up, if the rich have money to blow and want a private jet or fancy yacht or a mansion or a high rise office building does that not create jobs?
sorry to be late in some of these comments... RR... if you are GE and in bed with Obama then you dont have to pay taxes and you get cushy jobs and perks and presidential assistance to help you send jobs overseas
I wish the GOVERNMENT would deflate...
Here is a question to ponder and discuss...
What would have happened if we did NOT implement bailouts and TARP and the stimuli plans? I am not looking for discussion about the political debate about if we should or should not have done this, I am merely interested in speculation about what would have happened.
In a normal economy we reward GOOD, well thought out business plans and they earn our repeat business and increase in wealth. We punish the bad business plans or those that make foolish and risky choices that fail by forcing them to pay for their mistakes and/or if they cannot afford the consequences of their choices the business goes under and some other business entity will take its place.
"Canada to Build Twenty-foot Fence if Perry Elected
Could Be Electrified, Border Officials Warn"
We should not have Bailed out anyone! Especially the big guys ! We Bail them out and they hand it out as Bonus too their big shots! And the the Banks sit on it for a rainy day and don't help with Loneing it out to anyone! Were all suckers and they know it! Its a confidence game,a scam, and we are the scammed nieve suckerrrrrs ! I don't think it should have been any difference if we hadn't! We the little guy would still have been scracking and begging the dam fools for a Job & help! They hold all the Cards,but there wouldn't have been as many of them holding the Cards! They would have been scracking to keep their Mansions and Yachts Or trying to rent a 2 bedroom apartment! That would have been rewarding to see! I know absolutely nothing about Economic but that senario sounds good to me !!!!
News it is pretty obvious where the folks that used to sell over priced, substandard goods door to door went. They all landed on their feet.
For me I would rather put up with the inconvenience of them knocking on my door. I could always slam it in their face. Now they are all up in Washington slamming the door in our faces.
ahhh News... so you are saying that ONLY IF the rich give up their money willingly to other people who did not earn it or simply give it away to jealous people who dont have it or if they quit fighting against unfair big labor union practices that jack up costs of production to make our businesses unable to compete on the world market IF they behave "as you see appropriate" and only as YOU see fit then the rich people are contributing? LOL that is a pretty discriminatory statement... just because people have lots of money somehow they OWE you something? (You in the broad sense of "society)
So news you are saying if you buy a good or service then the producer owes you? Where is the logic in that? If I produce a product that you and millions of others willingly buy and I become one of those evil rich billionaires then I owe you and the millions that bought the product? That's nonsense news, is that in your Keynesian 101 Economics class?
If I obeyed the laws of the land and payed my legal obligation in taxes then I owe you nothing. You like to believe all these rich people got rich by exploiting others. I think if you really did your homework that is not the case, although I am sure you can find some that have.
RR3: Unless your Naive ,and you think rational about the big Guys, not taking advantage of the power they have,you know they do, every day! You have legal recourse but, they can out spend you. Their not afraid of the Judicial System!Lets face it ,they own use unless we all hang together! But i'm so down on that Idea, it will never happen? The demonstrations,(two blocks) from Wall Street, gives me a little hope!
I think it's only the begining.
News, lets hope this Protest takes hold! They did make several Arrest,but i do think they held them back a couple of blocks from Wall Street.The people are with you guys,hang in there!
Data: The rich actually do pay more taxes
The numbers don't jive with Obama's rhetoric and class warfare. The top 50% wage earners pay over 96% of the federal taxes. How do you give a significant tax cut to those that pay less than 4% of the federal revenue. Seems to me that any tax cut would go to the rich because they are the only ones paying taxes.
Poll: 73 Percent Support 'The Buffett Rule', Including 66 Percent Of Republicans
News I am sure we will be seeing more similiar examples of despotism.
It gives credence to the claims of President Hugo Chavez of Venzuela that he has been the target of assassination by the United States. He is as hated here (if not more so) than the guy we just knocked off, and eminently more dangerous in the eyes of Leader Obama, and the secret directorate who give him orders, and facilitates an appearance of legality in such orders.
Anyone who is not beginning to suspect that they may be paranoid has not paid attention to what has happened in recent years. The good news for those who have questioned themselves is that they are more likely realists, and that is bad news for our country.
Ron Paul, a true Libertarian, stands up against the assassination of an American citizen by our government. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/09/30/8059346-paul-condemns-assassinat...
It is a shame that there are no libertarians who post here these days. They have interesting views, many of which I endorse. White Tornado, and Pat Nolan come to mind.
Yeh News, but if he wanted you dead he could still give the marching orders in a New York minute. Obviously national boundaries are of no consequence to Executioner in Chief Obama. Heil Obama (and then shut up). Be vewwy afwaid, be vewwy, vewwy afraid.
One of my main gripes about this new madness is that it steals opportunity for creativity from our clandestine services. Time was when they had to stir their imaginations to make rub outs like this appear to be accidents. (Last paragraph is satire)
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