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"Greenwald on Awlaki's killing: The 'Constitution burned and stepped on"


-- Posted by news across on Sat, Oct 1, 2011, at 1:30 AM

Anyway, I don't think I would be a good target for Dictator Obama.

But Republican leaders may want to...well...be his friend for now on (if they know what is good for them).

He has proven he has no qualms about killing Americans already as long as it serves his political interests.

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Oct 1, 2011, at 1:16 AM

Oklahoma Reader

One thing he does require is the host country's cooperation.

Australia loves the USA, but the Australian people have no intention of allowing the United States coming down here to kill their citizens.

They do insist on their sovereignty.

Don't forget, not only do I live here, but I am also an Australian citizen.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Sep 30, 2011, at 10:46 PM


I believe, based upon Federal Court Judge John Bates (Bush appointee, 2001) ruling, that the President could theoretically, legally assassinate any and all of his Republican opponents and cannot be questioned about it in a court of law, can refuse to answer any questions by Congress, the press, everyone, by doing no more than saying it was for national security reasons and that to give out any more details about the killings would also threaten national security.

There would be nothing about the killngs of his opposition the day after his response. There would be only silence and fear and the realization that the great American experiment has failed miserably.

Then he could do anything he wants.

Because after that, there would be no opposition to him. No one would dare question him for it and they would probably applaud him -- secretly knowing if they don't cheer him for it, they may be next.

Its a very sad day in America.

Its the death of freedom.

Its the death of democracy.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Sep 30, 2011, at 10:41 PM

Yeh News, but if he wanted you dead he could still give the marching orders in a New York minute. Obviously national boundaries are of no consequence to Executioner in Chief Obama. Heil Obama (and then shut up). Be vewwy afwaid, be vewwy, vewwy afraid.

One of my main gripes about this new madness is that it steals opportunity for creativity from our clandestine services. Time was when they had to stir their imaginations to make rub outs like this appear to be accidents. (Last paragraph is satire)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Sep 30, 2011, at 10:39 PM

Ron Paul, a true Libertarian, stands up against the assassination of an American citizen by our government. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/201...

It is a shame that there are no libertarians who post here these days. They have interesting views, many of which I endorse. White Tornado, and Pat Nolan come to mind.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Sep 30, 2011, at 10:26 PM

Oklahoma Reader

Under the Court's ruling, the Judicial Branch of the United States has no authority to even review the facts or to rule on the Constitutionality of such an non-judicial killing.

Under this ruling, the President of the United States has full authority to kill any citizen of the United States that he feels is a threat to the national security of the United States.

Under this ruling, the Judicial Branch of our Government has made it such that no one can ever legally challenge the execution of any American citizen by the President of the United States as long as he cites national security.

Under this ruling, the President has the legal right to act as judge, jury, and executioner of any American citizen the President feels may be a threat to our National security.

He does not have to specify his reasons for the killing. He is not required to show any justification for a Presidential execution of any and all American citizen. He can refuse to answers any questions by Congress for reasons of national security and he cannot be questioned at all by the Judicial Branch of the Government.

That, by the way is, also the exact same justification for the murder of German citizens (Jews, Communists, Socialists, Gypsy's, ect.) on orders of their commander-in-chief, Adolf Hilter, and for National security reasons, that was given by Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials after WW2. Our Commander-in-Chief has made exactly the same argument and almost word for word -- in the name of national security.

I am so happy I escaped the American Iron Curtain.

Its bad enough knowing Obama can order any one of us to be executed, it would be carried out, almost immediately, and, its legal for him to do it, but at least I don't have to live under the draconian laws and draconian judicial decisions that seem to be churning out of Washington and the Federal Courts quite frequently these days.

I live in a free country now.

Not to be confused with the fascist dictatorship that now rules America.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Sep 30, 2011, at 10:23 PM

News I am sure we will be seeing more similiar examples of despotism.

It gives credence to the claims of President Hugo Chavez of Venzuela that he has been the target of assassination by the United States. He is as hated here (if not more so) than the guy we just knocked off, and eminently more dangerous in the eyes of Leader Obama, and the secret directorate who give him orders, and facilitates an appearance of legality in such orders.

Anyone who is not beginning to suspect that they may be paranoid has not paid attention to what has happened in recent years. The good news for those who have questioned themselves is that they are more likely realists, and that is bad news for our country.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Sep 30, 2011, at 9:48 PM

I guess that whole "presumed innocence" doctrine of our system of jurisprudence -- the basis of our legal system -- is gone now.

No American has a right to trial or habeas corpus anymore. So say the Federal Courts. Neither can exist in a nation where the chief executive has the power of life and death over every American regardless of even the absence of legal charges.

Democracy and freedom in America are now dead too.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Sep 30, 2011, at 5:33 PM


Can the President legally have Rick Perry, Mitt Romney, Michell Bachmann, and all the other Republican candidates assassinated by Army units if he deems them to be, in his opinion, a threat to the security of the United States of America.

The Federal Courts say he can.

Does that sound like democracy to anyone?

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Sep 30, 2011, at 5:27 PM

So..now that it looks like the President of the United States has the absolute right to kill any American citizen, anywhere in the World, any time he wants, what is there to prevent him from having every Republican in Congress killed? What can stop him? The Federal Court has ruled he can kill any American citizen he deems to be a terrorist.

That should make the 2012 election a lot easier for him.

I think that ruling and the recent murder of a U.S. Citizen who had not even been charged with any crime, is the death knell to democracy in America.

When the President has the absolute power of a king over life and death of citizens, its not democracy anymore.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Sep 30, 2011, at 5:04 PM

Poll: 73 Percent Support 'The Buffett Rule', Including 66 Percent Of Republicans


-- Posted by cheesehead on Fri, Sep 30, 2011, at 8:50 AM

Data: The rich actually do pay more taxes


The numbers don't jive with Obama's rhetoric and class warfare. The top 50% wage earners pay over 96% of the federal taxes. How do you give a significant tax cut to those that pay less than 4% of the federal revenue. Seems to me that any tax cut would go to the rich because they are the only ones paying taxes.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Fri, Sep 30, 2011, at 6:17 AM

News, lets hope this Protest takes hold! They did make several Arrest,but i do think they held them back a couple of blocks from Wall Street.The people are with you guys,hang in there!

-- Posted by Jo on Thu, Sep 29, 2011, at 11:46 PM

I think it's only the begining.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Thu, Sep 29, 2011, at 7:43 PM

"Matt Taibbi: 'Occupy Wall Street' can spark movement, motivate change"


"Moore: 'Occupy Wall St.' has definitely started 'the something'"


The conservative mainstream media won't be able to ignore the Occupy Wall Street movement much longer.

The sleeping giant that is the real America is awaking. This is what happens when the rich folks try to steal the little bit the American People have left.

The American People fight back!!

"'Day of Rage' Protestors Descend Upon NYC To Occupy Wall Street"


"Is the Wall Street Occupation a Spark that Can Ignite a New U.S. Economic Justice Movement?"


-- Posted by news across on Thu, Sep 29, 2011, at 6:00 PM

RR3: Unless your Naive ,and you think rational about the big Guys, not taking advantage of the power they have,you know they do, every day! You have legal recourse but, they can out spend you. Their not afraid of the Judicial System!Lets face it ,they own use unless we all hang together! But i'm so down on that Idea, it will never happen? The demonstrations,(two blocks) from Wall Street, gives me a little hope!

-- Posted by Jo on Wed, Sep 28, 2011, at 12:23 PM


In my previous comment I said, "With a market, the rich are not rich."

I meant to say,

Without a market, the rich are not rich.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Sep 28, 2011, at 6:31 AM


I have never heard of a "Keynesian 101" lol.

Yes, if We the People -- you know the overwhelming majority of about 98% of the population -- middle class and poor -- had not purchased Mr. Rockefeller's products and services he would have been just another mule skinner mate lol.

With a market, the rich are not rich.

We the People are the market and yep, the rich owe all they have to our choosing to purchase their goods and services instead of purchasing someone else's goods and services.

The rich owe We the People big time.

Without us there would be no roads for them to send their products down.

Without us there would be no army to give those rich folks safe haven to produce their goods and services.

Without us their factories would burn to the ground with no fire fighters to put out the blaze.

Without us the criminals would ravage the rich quick and without mercy for their would be no police to protect them.

Without us they would have no warehouses, no factories, and no products or services.

Without us, they are nothing.

Unless they move to an entirely different market on another part of the planet which they are building in China.

Soon they won't need any of us in America and we will be a forgotten memory for them.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Sep 28, 2011, at 6:28 AM

So news you are saying if you buy a good or service then the producer owes you? Where is the logic in that? If I produce a product that you and millions of others willingly buy and I become one of those evil rich billionaires then I owe you and the millions that bought the product? That's nonsense news, is that in your Keynesian 101 Economics class?

If I obeyed the laws of the land and payed my legal obligation in taxes then I owe you nothing. You like to believe all these rich people got rich by exploiting others. I think if you really did your homework that is not the case, although I am sure you can find some that have.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Sep 28, 2011, at 6:10 AM


They are only rich because we the People purchased their goods and services or they were born into the money which someone else horded when We the People purchased their goods and services rather than someone else's goods and services.

We made them rich. They sure didn't make themselves rich.

Yeah they owe us big time mate.

As far as unions making American products uncompetitive, that simply is not supported by the facts. Fact 1, Americans are the most productive workers in the World. Fact 2, Statistically union shops tend to be far more productive than non-union shops.

So far your arguments just are not holding up in the face of the facts mate.

As to your claim that I am just being discriminatory to corporations, there is no prohibition, legally or socially, to discrimination against corporations. This isn't someone's race we are discussing. We are discussing a non-living entity. In fact, I am not even sure how one would discriminate against a non-living thing nor can I see how such would be a bad thing since its not even human. Perhaps utilizing your perception, I should appologize to the chair the next time I kick it, lol. I think not mate.

Finally, if you want the American manufacturing base back, I recommend you stop purchasing anything but American products. Because you know those Amercan rich folks we were talking about earlier? you know, the same ones that shipped your friends' and families' jobs to China?...well...they gave up on the American economy a long time ago. Their operations are in China. They own over 60% of the businesses in China. They know the potentially biggest market in the World is right there where they are producing -- in China and across Asia. As Chinese wages rise to a balance with American wages, do you really think they plan to shut down their factories in China, shut down their markets in China where they will be selling their products, give up those markets to Chinese businesses, and then ship everything back, at an incredibly high price, to America? And what would motivate them to do that? How would they justify the astronomical cost of first shipping everything to China and the the astronomical cost of shipping it all back to the USA and restart there? Why would they want to pack it all up, leave the World's biggest market where they are firmly established, and bring it to the USA. I don't see any reason why they want to do that.

The rich have already written you and your decedents off mate. The big question is what do you intend to do about it -- and when?

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Sep 28, 2011, at 4:25 AM

ahhh News... so you are saying that ONLY IF the rich give up their money willingly to other people who did not earn it or simply give it away to jealous people who dont have it or if they quit fighting against unfair big labor union practices that jack up costs of production to make our businesses unable to compete on the world market IF they behave "as you see appropriate" and only as YOU see fit then the rich people are contributing? LOL that is a pretty discriminatory statement... just because people have lots of money somehow they OWE you something? (You in the broad sense of "society)

-- Posted by mrxray on Wed, Sep 28, 2011, at 2:13 AM

Oklahoma Reader

Perhaps you were not convinced by the words of that brilliant Tea Party Speaker, but for me its clear,

"We got trouble and that starts with T and that rhymes with P and that stands for Pool."

I think to a lot of folks that argument somehow makes sense.

Its a darn shame they would let anyone who thinks that makes sense actually cast a vote in an election, but they do.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Sep 28, 2011, at 1:56 AM

News it is pretty obvious where the folks that used to sell over priced, substandard goods door to door went. They all landed on their feet.

For me I would rather put up with the inconvenience of them knocking on my door. I could always slam it in their face. Now they are all up in Washington slamming the door in our faces.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Sep 27, 2011, at 11:52 PM

Ya know the main speaker at the Tea Party meeting really made a lot of sense.

Thank goodness I recorded it to post here.

I think if you watch this speech, you may just find yourself reconsidering the Tea Party policy arguments.


-- Posted by news across on Mon, Sep 26, 2011, at 5:24 PM

Hey friends,

I finally went to my first Tea Party meeting.

It was a lot of fun.

I recorded the meeting to share with you.



-- Posted by news across on Mon, Sep 26, 2011, at 5:18 PM

Oh X-ray,

You misunderstand me.

The rich certainly have a role to play in saving our economy.

They can voluntarily give up the permanent "Temporary" Bush tax cuts and start paying a fairer share of their tax responsibilities to the folks that made it possible for them to get rich -- the People.

They can stop bribing our politicians.

They can stop attacking American Workers right to free speech and their right to associate with like-minded folks, organize and their right to "freedom of assembly."

Doing these right things would be a good first step for the rich to do their part.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Sep 26, 2011, at 5:02 PM

We should not have Bailed out anyone! Especially the big guys ! We Bail them out and they hand it out as Bonus too their big shots! And the the Banks sit on it for a rainy day and don't help with Loneing it out to anyone! Were all suckers and they know it! Its a confidence game,a scam, and we are the scammed nieve suckerrrrrs ! I don't think it should have been any difference if we hadn't! We the little guy would still have been scracking and begging the dam fools for a Job & help! They hold all the Cards,but there wouldn't have been as many of them holding the Cards! They would have been scracking to keep their Mansions and Yachts Or trying to rent a 2 bedroom apartment! That would have been rewarding to see! I know absolutely nothing about Economic but that senario sounds good to me !!!!

-- Posted by Jo on Mon, Sep 26, 2011, at 4:53 PM

"Canada to Build Twenty-foot Fence if Perry Elected

Could Be Electrified, Border Officials Warn"


-- Posted by cheesehead on Mon, Sep 26, 2011, at 9:09 AM

I wish the GOVERNMENT would deflate...

Here is a question to ponder and discuss...

What would have happened if we did NOT implement bailouts and TARP and the stimuli plans? I am not looking for discussion about the political debate about if we should or should not have done this, I am merely interested in speculation about what would have happened.

In a normal economy we reward GOOD, well thought out business plans and they earn our repeat business and increase in wealth. We punish the bad business plans or those that make foolish and risky choices that fail by forcing them to pay for their mistakes and/or if they cannot afford the consequences of their choices the business goes under and some other business entity will take its place.

-- Posted by mrxray on Mon, Sep 26, 2011, at 1:14 AM

sorry to be late in some of these comments... RR... if you are GE and in bed with Obama then you dont have to pay taxes and you get cushy jobs and perks and presidential assistance to help you send jobs overseas

-- Posted by mrxray on Mon, Sep 26, 2011, at 1:05 AM

To follow up, if the rich have money to blow and want a private jet or fancy yacht or a mansion or a high rise office building does that not create jobs?

-- Posted by mrxray on Mon, Sep 26, 2011, at 12:53 AM

news... according to you "Rich dont create jobs demand does" I agree that we have to have a demand for a good or service before there is a viable market for those goods or services.... HOWEVER, if we did not have people with money and/or assets to fund the business start up how would all of these businesses get started? If it were not for people with the financial means to invest in a wide variety or investments or businesses where would capital (money) come from for expansions? Where would the government get money from the selling of bonds and other financials?

Exactly who would spend billions on wind farms or other green energy businesses that you expect to magically pop up?

The way you state it the rich have no role in a healthy economy nor in a recovery from our horrible economic disaster.

-- Posted by mrxray on Mon, Sep 26, 2011, at 12:52 AM

Where are you liberal whiners? Obama and Solyndra scandal... talk about crony capitalism and corporatism.... I mean you liberals LOVE to cry about the right and their corporatism and crony capitalism.... where are your tears about the Dems and obama? Funny how Pelosi and others have invested heavily in green (FAILING) energy companies and then bent the rules and made BAD investments with tax payers monies to provide special favors to high dollar campaign contributors and their FAILING businesses... Where are those liberal tears? Why are you not calling them evil rich people in bed with evil businesses?

"For a party and a man that hold deep reservations towards capitalism, Democrats certainly jump at the chance to ride it -- like all those corporate fat cats in their private jets! -- when it suits their needs. Ah, but you see the argument isn't over capitalism. That's just bread tossed out for the masses."


-- Posted by mrxray on Mon, Sep 26, 2011, at 12:45 AM

Keynesian economics... how our liberal spend spend spend politicians are ruining our economy...they are doing nothing but polishing rotten apples.... read the story to understand

I KNOW I KNOW.. you hate "big" websites... grow up and read something other than an article that feeds ONLY your specific, narrow point of view.


And another story about a story about how the Dems new banking rules are harming the economy and small business job creators.


-- Posted by mrxray on Mon, Sep 26, 2011, at 12:39 AM

Link to article below. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-09-23/kn...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Sep 25, 2011, at 11:44 PM

"Make no mistake, Israel's existence is under threat." The most dire problem that Israel faces is not what you think, and whatever we, or any other Peace Broker does, can not fix it.http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-09-23/knight-make-no-mistake-israels-existence-is-under-threat/2935080

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Sep 25, 2011, at 11:42 PM

Oh goodie! Rr3yvo found a new website.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Sun, Sep 25, 2011, at 9:49 PM

The Democrats Hypocrite Oath


This is what I have been trying to tell you.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sun, Sep 25, 2011, at 9:01 PM

Beware of the 'Gaystapo'


Seems that tolerance is a one way street.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sun, Sep 25, 2011, at 8:58 PM

"Chris Hedges calls Occupy Wall Street 'the hope of America'"


-- Posted by news across on Sun, Sep 25, 2011, at 8:41 PM

"Police pen up and mace female 'Occupy Wall Street' protesters"

With video of the macing.


-- Posted by news across on Sun, Sep 25, 2011, at 5:01 AM

Apparently the only thing they don't make in China is condoms.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Sat, Sep 24, 2011, at 8:41 PM


Sadly, Australia has the same problem. The Chinese have been buying up huge farms in Australia. A lot of folks here are not comfortable with the idea of a foreign power exercising that kind of control of our food production.

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Sep 24, 2011, at 7:22 PM

OH and ND...you know I am just playfully teasing in my last comment don't you?


The fact is your comment reveals just how serious the current deflationary period in America is.

But the devil in me could not resist poking a little fun at it.

I hope I have not upset you in anyway with my foolishness.

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Sep 24, 2011, at 4:52 PM

ND, I think we in Australia may be able to help.

As you may know, we have a heck of a lot of minerals here in Australia...including some of that high quality coal you folks love -- the premium kind. So don't worry, you won't be running out of coal anytime soon...provided of course you can afford our quality prices lol.

Problem solved!

As to empty homes, as you may know American homes are a real bargain for us down here in Oz. Remember about like, oh, 20 years ago when the average American could easily afford a house in Mexico? and everything else in Mexico? Well...its kinda like that now only its America where all the bargains are at. Many Australians are doing their part and buying up many of those bargain homes at rock-bottom prices. Here the average home runs, oh, roughly about $500,000.00, so when we see a comparable home in America at say 100,000.00, $80,000.00, $60,000...well who can resist those prices when one is shopping for that American holiday home?

Problem solved!

I wish I could have addressed the other problems America is having with solutions and as much as I regret that we could not help solve all those problems, at least we hit the biggies.

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Sep 24, 2011, at 6:10 AM

They once showed us war, my how we reacted.

Now wars are all hidden and quickly redacted.

And those that must serve are simply contracted.

And those who fight back are often extracted.

And wars needing end instead are protracted.

And leaders don't mean it they have just acted.

And a million people have just been subtracted.

And nobody noticed because they were distracted.

And nobody cares why or how that impacted.

Where in the h*ll is the new generation of hippies.






-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Sep 24, 2011, at 12:36 AM

Two sides of the same counterfeit coin. http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/two_...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Sep 23, 2011, at 11:08 PM

Lol, well it looks like one of those satellites is coming back home.

Look for it hitting Congressman Peter King's house around 4:30 AM...lol.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Sep 23, 2011, at 5:23 PM

Oh, I forgot about space. All of our satellite technology we enjoy and the means to get them into space were the result of tax payer funded programs. NASA.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, Sep 23, 2011, at 5:15 PM

For any of the participants of our "guess where the satellite will hit" game...

here is some contemplation music to listen to while you think about your pick.


-- Posted by news across on Fri, Sep 23, 2011, at 5:03 PM

My Wife just told me scientists believe the satellite that is about to drop out of the sky might land somewhere in America. My Aussie wife told me if it does it would be "poetic justice" -- her words, not mine lol.

So I thought well maybe we could make a game of it.

I propose we each pick one spot where we think the satellite will hit. Once you pick a spot on Earth where you think the satellite will hit, you cannot change it. You get one pick. The person who picks the spot closest to where the satellite hits wins 10 points, and the admiration of all the other commenters.

I pick The 3rd Congressional District home of U.S. Representative Peter T. King... preferably while he is home.

That is my official guess as the final resting place of the satellite.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Sep 23, 2011, at 4:51 PM


you are absolutley right.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, Sep 23, 2011, at 4:50 PM

What the f

I keep hearing folks claim the rich create jobs.

They don't. The rich have never created jobs.

Only demand can create jobs.

Until somebody or something somewhere causes consumption of new housing starts and durable goods to sharply increase, we will continue to see deflationary pressures such as Perfect Competition drive down prices and consumption and we will continue to see unemployment rise.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Sep 23, 2011, at 4:32 PM

How much of our infrastucture that the tax payers finance does business utilize everyday? Seems to me they would want to do thier part to kick in and not use every possible means to get out of it.

Here's a short list, feel free to add on.

Our roads,




Natiional Weather Service

Coast Guard


Air Traffic Controllers

Air Ports

Subsidies for oil,energy, agriculture, rail etc.

Like it or not, tax dollars make our world go around. I would argue that it is actually tax dollars that create the jobs, not the uber-wealthy,tax-dodging,system manipulating "job creators" who have no problems utilizing our tax payer based infrastructure that is now cumbling down around us because they can't be bothered to kick in thier fair share. Actually, the go to great lengths to get out of it. Buying our polititcians and supreme court is the first thing that comes to mind.

rr3yvo, I look forward to your defense of the corporations.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, Sep 23, 2011, at 4:24 PM

Well RR,

I know there has been no Real Wage increase for American workers since prior to 1978.

Between 1820, when we first began to record economic statistical information, and 1978 there had been an increase in Real Wages -- that total package of goods and services earned in a one year period -- every year. Even every year of the Great Depression workers still received Real Wage increases. In 1978 that stopped. The rich got much richer. The workers became far more efficient and worked much harder. The rich kept all the massive profits and gave no Real Wage increase to the Workers -- none -- not since before 1978.

If that isn't a declaration of war on the American worker by the filthy rich fat-cats, then I guess I just don't know what is.

Now we are starting to fight back and...

...they only call it "Class Warfare" when We the People fight back!

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Sep 23, 2011, at 7:27 AM

News when the president misleads the public to think that one class is evil to get votes from another class is class warfare. They always try to divide the 'have's' and the 'have not's'. If you 'have it' you are evil and if you 'have not' then we are from the government and we are here to help you. And if those evil Republicans try to change it or take it away we will accuse them of trying to starve the poor and the elderly so you will continue to vote for us because we are here to help you. Don't you get it.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Fri, Sep 23, 2011, at 5:57 AM

"Yes, 47% of Households Owe No Taxes. Look Closer."


-- Posted by news across on Fri, Sep 23, 2011, at 5:26 AM

They only call it class warfare when We the People fight back!!

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Sep 23, 2011, at 5:19 AM

"Fox News allows hate group to participate in GOP debate"


Leave it to those clowns at Fox to do something crazy like this...lol.

I guess Fox just haven't figured out yet that the whole World knows all about them...and their employer.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Sep 23, 2011, at 3:09 AM


You ask what is the source of money in our economy.

Believe it or not mate, we have an entire course in the study of Economics that looks at nothing but that same question.

In a capitalist economy -- be it Guided Capitalism or pure Free- Market Capitalism, the answer is the same.

Banks create money.

I know that may not sound right but it is, as I am about to show you. All economists and those majoring or minoring in Economics or Finance at any accredited University are required to take a course called "Money and Banking."

Yep...its exactly what the name implies mate lol.

Anyway, most money is not in cash form. Cash and demand accounts -- such as a checking account -- are called M1 (money 1). There is actually not much cash in our society relative to the amount of money. Most Money (M2, M3,) exists only on paper and it represents by far the overwhelming amount of money in our economic system.

Most of the money is created in our financial institutions. Banks create money, where it did not exist before, every time someone opens up a savings account, a money market account, an IRA account and a whole host of other investment type accounts and when ever someone takes out a loan.

Let me give you an example:

Mr Jones goes to Hometown Bank to open up a savings account. He deposits $100.00

Then Mr Brown comes into the bank to take out a standard farm loan of $100.00. He now owes the bank $100.00 (plus interest of course but to keep this simple we will ignore interest on either side of the equation).

On the bank economic ledger it shows that that bank now has $100.00 (which was deposited) and a receivable (a negotiable instrument that can be bought and sold for cash) worth $100.00 giving our bank a total value now of $200.00. The bank has in effect turned $100.00 into $200.00 adding a total of $100.00 additional dollars to the economy.

One could argue that there is also a libility of $100.00 as well which would be regarded as negative and balanced on an accounting ledger against the new receivable.

However, there are 2 things that prevent that from impacting on the creation of money. Most banking investment products such as a savings account or any of the others I listed above, are demand accounts. This means they are tied to time. Most savings accounts have a minimum 2 months during which the bank can refuse your right to make a withdrawal. They don't normally exercise that clause in the paper work as a matter of couresy, but the bank knows it can exercise that clause anytime it thinks it needs to do so. You agree to that when you sign the dotted line at the time you open the bank account. This is also true with most money market, certificates of deposit, IRAs, and others, and there are also usually severe interest penalties for early withdrawal which is designed to further dissuade any attempts to move the money out of the account.

The second is this. in economics we view things from the economic ledger -- not the accounting ledger. We have different ways of valuing things. For example, we would say in the senerio above that from an accounting standpoint a 3rd $100.00 exists in the form of a receivable the holder of the savings account has that would cancel out with the liability the bank holds. The end result is $200.00 where $100.00 only existed previously from the perspective of the economic ledger.

Its pretty simple mate lol.

However if you want to know where jobs come from...that is a different matter.

Jobs come from demand.

Economic demand is defined as having 2 components -- both of which must be present in order for something to constitute demand. 1.) one must be willing to make the purchase and 2.) one must have the means to make the purchase.

Suppliers are only willing to meet that demand if their is a profit available from the investment -- in other words it must have significant potential for positive yield. If the level of demand is not high enough, the price will not rise to any intersecting point with supply which would justify investment by the supplier (producer) to meet that demand. Thus without sufficient demand, there will be no new hiring of labor to manufacture the supply because there is motivation to increase the supply at that Demand Price.

Say for example Mr. Widget who owns the Acme Widget Company is considering a suggestion from one of his staff that he should increase his production of widgets in the coming year. Mr. Widger knows that to increase his production by 10% he will have to hire 1000 new workers and to increase his production to 20% will mean hiring 3000 workers. He looks at that curve and all the different levels along that curve. Then he looks at widget demand. He finds that right now he can get $1.00 per widget with his current level of production. But he finds that in order to meet a higher demand his costs of manufacturing the higher levels of widgets is not offset by an equal willingness of the consumer to purchase a widget at the higher cost. In such a senerio, Mr Widget would not be willing to hire additional workers to produce more widgets because there is no increased demand for the widgets. He would reject the proposal.

Simply put economies are driven (pushed) by consumption. Economies are not pulled along by the rich. Only increased consumption will increase investment in new products and services which translate into new jobs.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Sep 22, 2011, at 11:27 PM


What about all the corporations who move thier headquarters out of our country to avoid taxation but still expect to enjoy the benefits that our taxes pay for?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Thu, Sep 22, 2011, at 9:32 PM

I see your point, RR. I can see how you could get that from her comments. I guess much depends on what context we notice or bring with us. She specifically mentions the Bush tax cuts, which primarily benefitted the wealthy. And what I have in the back of my mind as I listen is the GOP pledge to never raise taxes, at all, ever, for any reason. The impression I always get from the GOP is that taxes generally are an seen as an affront, an unreasonable burden on good, productive investors. There's more talk about cutting, cutting, cutting and less talk about what's fair and what's necessary. The tax antagonism always seems to gloss over the value we get for our taxes, which is what Warren is highlighting.

-- Posted by taxedpayer on Thu, Sep 22, 2011, at 9:03 PM

I agree taxedpayer but she makes it sound like you can go out and build a successful business overnight and somehow escape paying anything in taxes along the way. Also if they end up employing 10 people, 100 people, or even 1000 or more they will all pay taxes too. Where are all these tax returns of ALL the rich that don't pay?

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, Sep 22, 2011, at 8:28 PM

Obama wants us to believe that the middle class pays a higher tax rate then the rich. While there are some that make over $1 million, pay no taxes but on average the taxes on the rich are at a higher rate. Obama is misleading people to get votes and yes he is playing class warfare.


-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, Sep 22, 2011, at 8:24 PM

I think she's hit the nail right on the head, RR. She doesn't say "take all the money from the rich." She's says the rich should honor their obligations to the society that provided them the means to get rich. Sounds honorable and fair to me.

-- Posted by taxedpayer on Thu, Sep 22, 2011, at 8:00 PM

If we take all of the money away from the rich, who's going to give you a job? Oh I forgot we have unemployment.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, Sep 22, 2011, at 7:56 PM

I asked the question you didn't answer. I wonder why?

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, Sep 22, 2011, at 7:50 PM


Is what she said true or not? You made the post. Why don't you tell us specifcally what you don't agree with.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Thu, Sep 22, 2011, at 7:47 PM

Elizabeth Warren: "There Is Nobody In This Country Who Got Rich On His Own"


Do people that vote actually believe this?

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, Sep 22, 2011, at 5:52 PM

Enlighten us.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Thu, Sep 22, 2011, at 3:55 PM

What is the source of the money that creates wealth in this country?

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, Sep 22, 2011, at 1:39 PM


I appreciate the comments but I don't feel the mayor and council are scumbags at all. One of the councilman is a very good friend of mine but he doesn't serve my ward and I haven't talked to him about it yet. I just hope in the future they keep in mind that like oil and water, religion and politics don't mix.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Thu, Sep 22, 2011, at 6:25 AM

In honor of Troy Davis who died today in what may in fact be the greatest travesty of justice in recent times.

Rest in peace Mr. Davis.

Led Zeppelin - "That's The Way"


-- Posted by news across on Thu, Sep 22, 2011, at 5:05 AM


You bet buddy.

We are all in this together.

I don't know anyone who has all the solutions.

I think what really matters is that all of us, you, Wtf, Jo, ND, OKR, RT, SC even X-ray...and of course yours truly as well and a whole bunch of other folks...all care enough about our Nation and its future to question policies on both sides of the aisle and look for better ways to move our Nation forward. Its our love for our Country that motivates us all and I think it fair to say we all want to leave a better World for the next generation.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Sep 22, 2011, at 4:59 AM

Thanks news my respect for you has grown over time. One thing about it Jo doesn't mince words or play games. It is probably a good thing that our language can't become too colorful on here. I am just as proud to be an American as anyone else on here. I do believe this country is headed in the wrong direction and the problem is not necessarily Democrat or Republican problem it is a government problem and we should be learning that more of it only makes the problem worse.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, Sep 22, 2011, at 3:42 AM


RR and me have gone a few rounds over the years -- no doubt about that.

I have learned a few things about RR over those years.

One thing I have learned is that RR may come across a little hard sometimes, but I believe he is actually a heck of a nice person who would give the shirt off his back to help out his neighbors, his friends, and even a stranger.

Politics is kinda like a few people arguing on how to get to a location. They all have a different route planned, but the one thing they have in common is the desire to get to the selected location.

So I may think RR's plans won't get us there and he may think my plans won't get us there -- but we do agree on the end result -- good jobs and equal opportunity for all Americans who want those jobs and opportunities and who are willing to work hard to get them, safety and security for all Americans, and a bright future for our children and grandchildren.

RR and I disagree on a lot of things but one thing we don't disagree on is his sincerity to see a better America for all of us. Like you and a lot of other good folks on both sides of the political spectrum, RR is a true Patriot who wants the best for America...even when we disagree.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Sep 22, 2011, at 3:13 AM

As News would say WTF, good on you mate!

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Sep 22, 2011, at 12:15 AM

RR#: I don't question your Intellect,just the way i perceive you Personally! You seem to be against anything that would be right for others! You have to be a very lonely and rejected Person! (In my Opinion) I won't say more eric may Delete Me. I get kind of colorful with my Language,if i don't watch it!

-- Posted by Jo on Wed, Sep 21, 2011, at 10:30 PM


I sent this letter to the mayor 4 times before I got a response.

"Dear Mr. Mayor,

As I sit firmly in the buckle of the bible belt I am acutely aware that this letter will find itself in the minority opinion.

Your unilateral decision to place "IN GOD WE TRUST" on the entrance to the council chambers is, in my opinion, an abuse of your office. I am particularly bothered by the way it came about. Letters from law firms that encouraged this, or perhaps even dared you to do it.

I would like to see a copy of that letter.

I believe that you are also a Pastor, is that correct? Why can we not keep religion in the churches? It seems to me as if you may be having a hard time separating your duties as mayor, who is a representative of everyone and a Pastor who apparently feels he speaks for everyone. I can assure you sir, that is not the case.

I am also particularly bothered that you put the city council in the no win situation of having to go along with you or look very bad had they shown any opposition. But then again they really didn't have that opportunity, did they?

I have spoken via e-mail with my council representatives and I feel I am not mis-stating my facts. If I am wrong please correct me.

As a citizen, you have the right to worship however you see fit but as mayor you do not posses the right to inject your religious beliefs into our city government.

I sincerely hope you will take that into condsideration should a similar situation arise.

I would not be surprised that our local religious folks now feel as if they can expand on this and inject thier religious beliefs at will into other aspects of our local government.

I would also like to know if you will make public the letter you received from the law firm and I would further like to know just exactly what your motivation was behind this. It seems to me as if the city govt. seemed to function very well before the motto. Why now? What exactly are you trying to say.? The website "In God We Trust-America" with whom you are apprently in league, tell me that I am not a patriot unless this motto adorns the walls of my local government council chambers.It saddens me that you cannot see the absurdity in that . Perhaps you just don't want to.

I would like to know sir if that is how you feel, do you endorse that statement?

In closing I would suggest that if you really feel the need to have a motto, you may want to condsider "E Pluribis Unum" or "Of Many, one"

He did send a copy of the letter. I can't post it because it was a PDF. It was fairly plain, asking the mayor if he would consider placing "In God We Trust" in the council chambers or courthouse. It went on to say that hundreds of cities accross Missouri like Branson, Springfield, Jeff City etc. had already done so with unanimous resolutions.

Appratenly the letter also came with an information packet that that was most likely provided by the website In God we Trust America". This is the site that basically says we have to do this to be considered patriots.

This is verbatim from the website:

In God We Trust ~ America, Inc.

Our Mission:

"To Promote Patriotism

By Encouraging Elected Officials

To Legally Display Our National Motto,

"In God We Trust"

In Every City, County and State Chamber in America"

--Jacquie Sullivan


Here's a link to the site:


Here is the mayor's response to my letter.

Please keep in mind the council never voted on a resolution or approved funds until the motto had already been put in place.

"Sorry I have been out of the office, attached is a copy of the letter from the law firm. A copy was given to the news media last week. The mention of the web site IGWT.... is only to show the cities, counties, and states that have placed "In God We Trust" on/in their buildings, we are not in "league" with their statements.

The motto was placed in our city offices building after much thought and discussion with all the council members, city attorneys, and the researching of it. We discussed it with the council members individually, who agreed to it before it was placed in the foyer.

Thank you for your interest and your thoughts, sorry again for the slow response."

Sincerely, Mayor

I was unimpressed by the mayor's response and still have no idea if any media printed the letter from the law firm. Folks can visit the website and draw their own conclusions. As for me I feel it is nothing short of a crusade.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Sep 21, 2011, at 7:42 PM

OK well I have taken all the votes into account and it looks like I am going to Manly Beach today -- of course I have to get out of the house fast before Aussiewife gets home from the store lol.

Later mates! Guinness and the South Pacific Ocean are waiting for me.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Sep 21, 2011, at 6:21 PM

I vote for mowing the lawn

-- Posted by aussie wife on Wed, Sep 21, 2011, at 5:38 PM

Seuss be Praised!!!

Its ANOTHER beautiful sunny Spring day in Sydney!!!

So what ya'll think...should I do the Manly Beach trip today, enjoy a cool Guinness at the outdoor pub, and watch the waves roll in?

Or mow the lawn.

Decisions, decisions...

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Sep 21, 2011, at 4:55 PM

Lol, oh yeah, and God.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Sep 21, 2011, at 4:50 PM

News you forgot god.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Sep 21, 2011, at 4:25 PM

Maybe we should just scrap the Government, the Constitution, and all laws.

You know...go to the smallest government possible -- no government.

The Tea Party and me say no more taxes at all and no more laws or rules.

The Tea Party and me say let our guns be the law.

After all, the Tea Party and me don't need government telling us what to do.

We just need guns. That will sort everything out.

I believe that is where the teaparty neocons and their republican pals want the country to go.

Any thoughts on this? Anyone?

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Sep 21, 2011, at 3:36 PM


-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Sep 21, 2011, at 1:33 PM

Excellent quote! I can't imagine anything more fitting of GW Bush.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Sep 21, 2011, at 10:50 AM

"The only thing that ever consoles man for the stupid things he does is the praise he always gives himself for doing them."

-Oscar Wilde

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Sep 21, 2011, at 10:42 AM

...as George Bush would say:

"Mission Accomplished."

-- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Sep 21, 2011, at 7:17 AM

I mean really wtf what is your deal? Does it really matter what I say that you will not refute or try to tell me that I am not quite as smart as you? It is getting to the point I feel stupid to even take the time to answer you.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Sep 21, 2011, at 6:33 AM


That the best you got?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Sep 21, 2011, at 6:15 AM

Wtf would you please tell me of a time in history the rich didn't buy the laws? Money talks and we all know what walks.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Sep 21, 2011, at 6:03 AM

Wtf man I am sure glad I did exactly as you suspected, I was nervous there for a second. I also figured you would think government is the answer. That's what is wrong with the country know too much government not enough God.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Sep 21, 2011, at 6:01 AM

You are right Nana but that would be for God not government.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Sep 21, 2011, at 5:58 AM


Just as I suspected. That's funny. In every other scenario you seem to know, in detail, just exactly what Jesus would do. This has nothing to do with the difference in tax rate between the ultra-wealthy and the working class even though that is actually the case. This has to do with your utter hatred of the president. Own your feelings and admit it even though we already know it.

You said right in your post:

"One thing I think Jesus would realize is in our world to do much of anything and to help someone takes money and if you do it on a large scale it takes lots of it."

Well,that's right and that is what a government is for and the nice thing is that all of our citizens should get the exact same benefits of our government. Should out military only defend the rich?

How is it you don't know what Jesus would do but you know exactly what I would do? That's a pretty bold statement.

I can tell you one thing. A person cannot obtain that kind of wealth without stepping on people to get it. There are exceptions of course but those are few and far between.

The ulra-wealthy buy the laws.That is a fact. I'm not surprised that you can't see that but then again, like religion, you believe what you want to believe. I won't confuse you with the facts.

I'm not sure you should be accusing others of not seeing things when you seem to be a person who is easily distracted by shiney objects and promises of eternal life.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Sep 21, 2011, at 5:48 AM


Dang good point mate!!!

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Sep 21, 2011, at 1:31 AM

AP Debunks Obama's Claim Millionaires Don't Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes


Even the media is getting tired of covering the class warfare and report some actual facts.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Tue, Sep 20, 2011, at 9:32 PM

Wtf I really don't know what Jesus would do but I do know that some of the people that Jesus used in the bible were very wealthy. One thing I think Jesus would realize is in our world to do much of anything and to help someone takes money and if you do it on a large scale it takes lots of it. The reason the you demonize the rich is because you aren't and you can't honestly say you would act any different if you were in their shoes because you haven't been their nor done that. You let the rich politicians tell you the rich need to pay their fair share so you will vote for them time and time again so they can maintain power to make you poorer so you will continue to hate the rich. Now that is class warfare but it is being committed by the very people that always promise to make it better. I'm sorry that you just can't see it.

It's funny as to why you would want to know what would Jesus do? You employ the very tactic that politicians use to get you to dislike one class over another. Jesus never mentioned anything about fair share either.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Tue, Sep 20, 2011, at 9:14 PM

Fair enough WTF...

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Sep 20, 2011, at 8:41 PM


Maybe your right, but then again maybe not. Only rr3yvo knows for sure. I sure would like him to answer my last two questions: What would Jesus do? I wonder why he seems to be avoiding that question?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Tue, Sep 20, 2011, at 8:19 PM


Yep, if we Americans can learn to share nothing else at least we can learn to appreciate a good joke together. I like political jokes on both sides of the aisle because 1.) we are all only human and 2.) its just a joke lol.


I have great respect for you my friend, and I always give your comments strong consideration. In fact, I am almost always in full agreement with your well presented arguments. However, I don't think the joke in question in anyway made reference to race. The fact is that the majority of Americans who depend upon AFDC (welfare) are European-American (White folks)....not African-Americans. In addition, I have heard many conservatives wrongly assert that all democrats are lazy and unemployed. That is what I believe RR's joke inferred and had nothing to do with race.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Sep 20, 2011, at 6:22 PM


What would Jesus do?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Tue, Sep 20, 2011, at 3:08 PM

The top 1% pay about 40% of the taxes and the top 5% pay about 70% of the taxes and we have about 47% that pay no income tax. Everybody wants the rich to pay their fair share but nobody will define it. I guess if you want to demonize the rich then you never plan to be on, you're right.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Tue, Sep 20, 2011, at 2:46 PM


I'll bet Jesus wouldn't be defending the wealthy. You bet this is class warfare and the working class is getting slaughtered. The rich can afford to buy politicians and manipulate the law. You wanna defend that? Good luck getting your camel through the eye of that needle.

WWJD? rr3yvo, WWJD?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Tue, Sep 20, 2011, at 12:35 PM

In the 18 months prior to the Bush tax cuts we lost 267,000 jobs. Then in the 18 months after the Bush tax cuts we added 300,000 jobs. Then in the next 19 months anothe 5,000,000 jobs were added.


What numbers do you believe? Can we really know what the REAL numbers are?

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Tue, Sep 20, 2011, at 11:52 AM

Obama's campaign is going to be about class warfare. His only hope for reelection is to pit the poor against the evil rich, and private sector against evil corporations. Obama's cabinet has the least private sector experience of any president and we wonder why we have such incompetence from the White House. They don't know how to create jobs. Obama can't run on success and won't even try to run on Obamacare or the stimulus. Their only success is to stimulate class warfare. So who can you afford to vote for?

I think Huntsman and Paul should go Democrat and run against Obama.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Tue, Sep 20, 2011, at 11:23 AM

You know news sometimes I think we are the only one's with a sense of humor. But nonetheless I am glad someone can appreciate it.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Tue, Sep 20, 2011, at 10:58 AM


What exactly are you trying to say? Is that a black joke? Or, if folks were just out of work what does that say about who President Obama was replacing? You might wanna leave the jokes to the grown ups.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Tue, Sep 20, 2011, at 7:08 AM

RR lol lol lol...

That was great mate lol lol lol.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Sep 20, 2011, at 6:46 AM

Little know fact: A million people attended Obama's inauguration, only fourteen people had to take off work.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Tue, Sep 20, 2011, at 6:14 AM

"Hartmann: America today is not free"


Finally...some common sense.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Sep 19, 2011, at 8:11 PM

"Military retiree benefits vulnerable as Congress struggles to cut debt"

"Deficit agreement under which Pentagon must find billions in reductions may force cuts once considered unthinkable"


Hey remember all those yellow ribbon things the teaparty neocons were putting all over their cars back when their hero Bush was busy creating all the problems our nation is now suffering from?

Well...lol...so much for the teaparty neocons' nonsense about supporting the troops...eh mates?

As it turns out, supporting the troops was just another teaparty lie.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Sep 19, 2011, at 8:22 AM


Johnny Cash was a Democrat all his life. He detested rich folks. loved the poor, and he strongly supported social programs designed to alleviate the harsh effects of poverty.

Johnny Cash would definitely have been strongly opposed to the teaparty neocons who are trying to destroy our great Nation.

As to Ronald Ray-gun, he broke the law when he sold American missiles to the Islamic Republic of Iran, and then he lied about it. For that alone he should have been impeached and convicted.

In addition, his economic policies were a disaster with 10+% unemployment a full 2 years into his first term as President.

In addition, under Reagan's watch the United States was convicted in the World Court for criminal war crimes for the mining of Nicaragua's ports -- a clear and unquestionable act of war under international law -- not to mention a morally reprehensible act.

Yeah we know all about Ray-gun.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Sep 19, 2011, at 7:23 AM

Is The Administration Going to Use GM to Distract from Solyndra?


What will be the story when in 2-3 years or less GM will again be on the verge of bankruptcy? Another bailout for the unions?

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Mon, Sep 19, 2011, at 6:24 AM

Remember the Reagan era, Ronald Reagan was president, Bob Hope and Johnny Cash was still with us?

Well, now we have Obama, no hope, and no cash.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Mon, Sep 19, 2011, at 6:17 AM

Lol good point CH...lol.

I really do wish the teaparty neocons would go count the number of French rich folks and the French version of teaparty neocons of their day who ended up flat broke, sitting in a jail cell, and awaiting their turn on the Guillotine in the French Revolution (and the Russian Revolution and the Chinese Revolutions, ect).

I guess those who ignore history really are doomed to re-live it.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Sep 18, 2011, at 10:20 PM


I find it funny that Ryan goes on Fox news and tries to accuse our President of trying to divide the people when this is Fox news #1 priority. I guess his next interview will be with Rush Limbaugh. This guy is way too arrogant.

-- Posted by cheesehead on Sun, Sep 18, 2011, at 10:10 PM

ND, great link.

Its good to see the People finally beginning to respond to the outrageous exploitation of our poor and our middle class by the rich.

Its time they either get to work with the People and restore our national economy or face the inevitable consequences of their failure to do their part.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Sep 18, 2011, at 6:06 PM

"Paul Ryan accuses Obama of 'class warfare' over millionaire tax"



-- Posted by news across on Sun, Sep 18, 2011, at 4:46 PM


Lol...in Marshall, Eric IS the media...lol.

But I think Eric is just concerned about personal attacks.

Jo you know how a lot of folks can be if they are losing their argument and have nothing left in their arsenal to support their position -- they launch personal attacks.

Eric knows that too...and the MDN policies prohibit that kind of posting...and the Sheriff,...I mean the Editor,...isn't going to let that happen.

Well at least not lately anyway, lol.

I think the fact is that if we could read all the comments he deletes we would have no difficulty in understanding why he has such an itchy delete trigger finger.

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Sep 17, 2011, at 10:09 PM

Eric: i hope your not trying to calm People down for saying what they feel.Do you think that's right? Its not like we're going too jump through the PC with weapons or anything. I Personally think it needs to be directed at some of the Media and all of the Politicians! They have tried to terrify us for years , to help their agenda, and everyone is sick of it! Its time for People to get a little uncivilized. Nothing has been said that would shock anyone!Its gotten a little silly with some very serious subject, that are not funny at all! But like they say if you can't joke about some of it you could loose it! I wouldn't want to have you Job and Judge what People can say!!!

-- Posted by Jo on Sat, Sep 17, 2011, at 9:24 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
That's it, Jo. There are limits to what people can say. We try to state that clearly right up front. I try to manage the conversation fairly and consistently -- though never to everyone's satisfaction, even my own. And yes, that part of my job is a challenge.

Glad to hear that everything is ok OKR.

Oh by the way, I read yesterday that Paul McCartney is 69 now. I think that puts him right about the same age as you ol' hoss.

...and not far from where I am at too.

Ever sense I read that, I have been trying to figure out where all the years went. It seems like just yesterday (no pun intended) he was appearing with the Beatles on the Ed Sullivan Show.

But that ain't all lol...

He is getting married...again.

His current gold digger...I mean "girlfriend"... has a lot more experience that his last gold digger...I mean "wife"...did (which may include gold digging experience). This one is 51 -- a mere 18 years his junior (yeah 51 but looks 28). Of course I believe that would be an improvement on the age of the last gold digger he was married to. Heck that one was just a kid compared to his new gal. Oh well, I guess he can't take his money with him anyway lol.

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Sep 17, 2011, at 2:10 PM

Re-booting News. Thanks for asking my friend.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Sep 17, 2011, at 11:36 AM

Exclusive: Nobel Prize-Winning Physicist Who Endorsed Obama Dissents! Resigns from American Physical Society Over Group's Promotion of Man-Made Global Warming


"Global warming has become a new religion. We frequently hear about the number of scientists who support it. But the number is not important: only whether they are correct is important. We don't really know what the actual effect on the global temperature is. There are better ways to spend the money."

Maybe we should discuss this in the religion forum. Hehe!

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sat, Sep 17, 2011, at 6:58 AM


Are you OK mate?

I haven't seen you posting lately...just hopin' everything is alright.

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Sep 17, 2011, at 5:56 AM

"Hightower: Perry executed a man who was 'almost certainly' innocent"


In addition, it appears Rick Perry may have had reason to be aware of this and then covered it up after the fact.

Perhaps this would be a good time for an investigation of Perrygate.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Sep 16, 2011, at 7:32 PM

"34% say country would be better off under Hillary Clinton: poll"


With friends like Obama, who needs enemies?

Obama = dubba Bush.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Sep 16, 2011, at 5:25 PM

"Amid setbacks, Obama allies need to 'wake up'"


Folks listen...we don't have to continue to live under a 2 party dictatorship.

We do have other choices...like the Green Party for example.

Its time to end the 2 party dictatorship. Its time to end the endless cycle of Bushes and Obamas.

Have the guts to break away from the pack and bring positive change to America.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Sep 16, 2011, at 4:48 PM

lol well why not WTF?

Let the best joke win!!

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Sep 16, 2011, at 4:33 PM

What's this? A joke off?.....Hmm...

-- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, Sep 16, 2011, at 4:10 PM


As always, I have a deep respect for your opinions. I know your opinions are usually factually based. well thought out, and usually you hit the nail right on the head.

When you comment, folks listen.

However, I think if we on the left can't enjoy a good joke by one of our good friends on the right -- like RR who you know is a very nice person despite his political views -- then we are in big trouble.

I like a good joke. I think laughter breaks the tension and reminds us all that we are just human and in the same boat. I think it reminds us that we all have a lot more in common than we have in differences.

So, if RR makes a right-wing joke that bugs you, may I suggest you counter with a joke you like and may the best joke win! (win what, I don't know...but what ever it is, it goes to the best joke lol)

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Sep 16, 2011, at 3:24 PM


Lol...you do know we have a neat little trick for correcting for outliers in quantitative methods right?

Its called a "bell curve" correction and it eliminates the "skewing" effects of outliers giving a clear and concise view of the data.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Sep 16, 2011, at 3:16 PM

Quite everybody, Dad's home. Lol.....

-- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, Sep 16, 2011, at 2:31 PM

Thank you Eric.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Fri, Sep 16, 2011, at 11:40 AM

So I've notice a growing trend -- growing faster in recent weeks, in fact -- of a return to personal attacks, scorn, snarkiness and just plain meanness, especially on the politics and religion forums. I understand how easy it is to succumb to the temptation, but I'd like to remind everyone:

Put away your verbal scatterguns


Thou shalt not spit, snark or snarl


Can we tone it down a bit?

-- Posted by Eric Crump on Fri, Sep 16, 2011, at 10:53 AM


Give me your biblical blah blah blah about how the ice age caused the flood that caused noah to build a boat and two of each animal and blah blah blah blah.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, Sep 16, 2011, at 8:25 AM


-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Fri, Sep 16, 2011, at 7:52 AM

well? Did we have an ice age or not?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, Sep 16, 2011, at 7:12 AM

Hey xray do you believe we had an ice age? Duhaha! LOL

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Fri, Sep 16, 2011, at 6:26 AM

Here are some good ole Liberal leftist Obama supporters behaving with courtesy, honor, dignity and peace.... NOT!!!! MORE examples of VIOLENT and threats of violence simply because of ideological differences... HOWEVER no media attention.... and hey besides these two examples... how about the Union in Washington or Oregon that took hostages, damaged trains and were threatening violence?



-- Posted by mrxray on Fri, Sep 16, 2011, at 6:01 AM


You believe we had an ice age?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, Sep 16, 2011, at 5:41 AM

Nanadot... any data can be skewed to prove any point you want.

The really important fact is that Obama and the leading Dems have been courting the BILLIONAIRES and MILLIONAIRES just as hard or harder over time and especially since the 2000s. GE is in bed with Obama, billionaires and millionaires are benefiting from a horribly run, corrupt program to get tax payer backed loans or grants for green energy businesses, when in fact the BUSH admin refused to give out the loans to them but when they donated large amounts to Obama and Dems suddenly they were somehow sound businesses, even though their employees KNEW they were going to fail. I love how you attempt to say over and over and over that it is only the Repubs that are favoring rich people... lol wake up to reality

The Political class of career politicians and their aides and advisors and lobbyists are on a tax payer gravy train and that political class is made up of BOTH PARTIES..EQUALLY corrupt.

-- Posted by mrxray on Fri, Sep 16, 2011, at 5:41 AM

lol What the F.... I never said that I did not believe that the Earth has changing weather/climate patterns... but the KEY word is PATTERNS.... or in a different word, cycles... the Earth has had climate cycles since it has been in existence. The Point, if you chose to explore reality instead Al Gore TV is NOT that the earth may or may not be warming, the point is that the SCIENCE was falsified, skewed to support a preconceived idea, or other opinions about why the Earth MIGHT be warming were ignored for the favored 'hypothesis' of the moment. The quote from the article was telling...

"~288.0 to ~288.8 degree Kelvin in about 150 years, which (if true) means to me is that the temperature has been amazingly stable, and both human health and happiness have definitely improved in this 'warming' period,"

SO what the F... can you tell me some sort of evidence that the climate is warming is and how an increase in 1.44 degrees Fahrenheit over 150 years is a crisis? ESPECIALLY when you consider the earth has had ice ages and warming spells accounted for all through its history?

-- Posted by mrxray on Fri, Sep 16, 2011, at 5:36 AM

I liked them ND.

In this day and age a guy has to have a sense of humor.

The one about the whiny voice was the best.


-- Posted by news across on Fri, Sep 16, 2011, at 3:53 AM

Why do so many liberals live in LA?

It's the only city easy enough for them to spell.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, Sep 15, 2011, at 10:14 PM

(To a tour guide at Monticello after seeing busts of George Washington and Ben Franklin.)

"Who are these people?"--Al Gore

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, Sep 15, 2011, at 10:02 PM

You know all this cooler weather we are having maybe an ice age is coming. No wait that was in the 1970,s, I forgot all this cooler weather is global warming now.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, Sep 15, 2011, at 10:00 PM

Oh golly, what has he done now?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Thu, Sep 15, 2011, at 9:58 PM

Even with Obama our system of checks and balances still work.

He writes the check and we pay the balance.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, Sep 15, 2011, at 9:49 PM

"Sticks and stones may break my bones but christians will always judge me...."

-- Posted by What the f...... on Thu, Sep 15, 2011, at 9:25 PM

Why did God give liberals annoying, whiny voices?

So that even the blind could hate them.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, Sep 15, 2011, at 9:14 PM


Obama and a car battery...

Lol lol lol lol lol lol...ROTFLMAO!!!

That was great RR...lol!!

I like that one.

I might have to borrow it.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Sep 15, 2011, at 9:06 PM

What's the difference between the GOP and a slow painful death..? Really, can anyone tell me?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Thu, Sep 15, 2011, at 8:58 PM

Rolling Stone? That hippie rag? Lol.....

-- Posted by What the f...... on Thu, Sep 15, 2011, at 8:56 PM

rr3yvo said:

"I heard today that 'The Beast' Obama's presidential limousine weighs 8 tons, without Michelle"

Is that truth or fact? I won't even comment on how childish that comment makes you sound but I will say that it is NOT Obama's presidential limousine. It is THE presidential limosine and will be used by whom ever follows president Obama. What, did you think president personally ordered it simply for his amusement? If you did then once again you would be wrong.

Michelle is quite fit and an advocate for healthy eating and physical fitness for children. Your statment implies that she is "large" and once again your are wrong. Do you get royalties on wrong? If not you should because you sure are wrong alot.

Once again you have exposed yourself for what you are.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Thu, Sep 15, 2011, at 8:32 PM

Whats the difference between Obamacare and a car battery?

The car battery has a positive side.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, Sep 15, 2011, at 8:26 PM

You're right it's global weather patterns.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, Sep 15, 2011, at 6:50 PM

"Michele Bachmann Says The Darndest Things"


Michele Bachmann in her own words lol lol lol lol...

Another must see!

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Sep 15, 2011, at 6:08 PM

"Parody: Bachmann's not a witch, but she could be"


Oh yes...you will want to watch this hilarious parody...trust me lol lol lol...

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Sep 15, 2011, at 6:00 PM


Actually global climate change is just that -- global -- its not determined by local weather patterns.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Sep 15, 2011, at 5:58 PM

I've wondered if these statistic that they are always throwing around is just another argument to remove most of the middle class,and have things their way. Some People can make an argument to any subject with statistic that hasn't worked in the past to correct anything! Only to sit you up for the kill! That's why i'm a sceptic about all these figures their always spouting! I respect Knowledgeable People but, they can sure jab it to a big majority of the People, if they want to use it that way!I'm not a highly Educated, obviously & (regrettably) ,but very seldom am i ever scammed by anyone!

-- Posted by Jo on Thu, Sep 15, 2011, at 1:26 PM

I heard today that 'The Beast' Obama's presidential limousine weighs 8 tons, without Michelle.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, Sep 15, 2011, at 1:16 PM

I have worked for several farmers over the years and none of them believe it. Weather is cyclical sometimes its too hot, sometimes its too cold, sometimes its too dry and sometimes its too wet but then today it is just right.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, Sep 15, 2011, at 1:14 PM


Dont' believe in global warming and changing weather patterns? Instead of listening to FOX news, why don't you talk to a farmer.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Thu, Sep 15, 2011, at 12:56 PM

Changing the subject...

More bad news for Al Gore....


This "Nobel prize winning Physicist resigns from the premier physics society over the society's claim that man made global warming science is incontrovertible. Incontrovertible means unquestionable or impossible to dispute. Here is a quote that I found funny but important.

"In the APS it is ok to discuss whether the mass of the proton changes over time and how a multi-universe behaves, but the evidence of global warming is incontrovertible?" he wrote in an email to Kate Kirby, executive officer of the physics society.

"The claim ... is that the temperature has changed from ~288.0 to ~288.8 degree Kelvin in about 150 years, which (if true) means to me is that the temperature has been amazingly stable, and both human health and happiness have definitely improved in this 'warming' period,"

THIS is what happens when politics and science attempt to work together... corrupted, bad science all in an attempt to garner more and more grant money.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/09/1...

-- Posted by mrxray on Thu, Sep 15, 2011, at 11:27 AM

News... another problem you have is that you are incapable of dealing with reality versus theory, when it comes to economics. You believe in a THEORY, whatever name you want to give it. Then because you believe in a theory you assume that every person who does not believe like you must beleive in a THEORY of a different name, such as Keyesian economics for you and capitalism for me.

The problem with THEORIES in economics is that real life does NOT follow any theory specifically or even closely. The United States of America does not have a capitalism economic system because we do try to provide some entitlements to people without and we do try to manipulate and control and bailout businesses that someone considers too large to fail and other examples.

So the problem when you argue theories comes when you attempt to hold to theoretical principles when in reality those principles are basically ignored or changed.

However, when it comes to your idea that a government can redistribute wealth infinitely on the backs of less than half of the citizenry who are paying taxes (Half are considered too poor to pay and another portion are rich enough to have tax shelters and loop holes) your THEORY fails in real life. Your theory attempts to allow the government to coerce, legislate, mandate and control equalness. However, anyone with common sense knows that attempts at forced equalness does not work. Why? Because human nature, nature in generarl, dictates that NO two humans are equal. They dont think alike, they were not raised and nurtured alike, they were not educated alike, they are from different genders, races, and cultures. Some are good at math, some science, some philosophy, some sports, some are good at running a business and managing people and resources, some have mental problems, health problems, some are good at running a family, some are good at farm work, carpentry. BUT some are good for doing fast food jobs and then some are good for NOTHING lazy dead beats.

Then ONLY way wealth redistribution would or could function is if ALL people were motivated to exploit their specific talents 100% of the time AND if the people running the governments and bureacracies were incorruptable, and ONLY concerned with the welfare of the citizens and NOT their own pocketbooks. Wealth redistribution economic theories IGNORE the corruptable, survival of the fittest tendancies that humans, along with all animals in nature, have.

Because we are "human" and are not perfect we will ALWAYS have some who are over achievers and some who are dead beats and some who are only looking out for number one and some who only want to take advantage of everyone else. THIS is what theories cannot and have not taken into consideration.

This is why unfettered capitalism is also a theory that has it flaws. In order for pure capitalism to function as people think in theory, you have to believe that no one will be out to take advantage of other people. The problem with capitalism today is not that it is a bad theory but that the people legislating are beholden to businesses and corporations and to other special interest groups like George Soros funds and Unions and Petroleum and Pharma companies. Capitalism has not failed, it has been corrupted by the political process causing bad for the nation policies written by people from BOTH parties.

At least capitalism, in theory allows for people to succeed and be rewarded for their time, effort, and financial risks. Your theory wants to keep the over acheivers down and raise the dead beats up so that all people are forced to be equal.... you tell me which one allows for a better chance at people striving to become better people.

-- Posted by mrxray on Thu, Sep 15, 2011, at 9:51 AM

news... it is naive, intellectually disingenuous or willfully ignorant to believe that ONLY one party caused any or all of our economic problems. LOL if you truly believe that then you truly dont understand how US Politics works.

I agree, however, that we need to drastically redo how the function of the "lobby" system works. AND how our campaign funding and donations works because all that breeds is career politicians who only care about where their campaign dollars are coming from and then how to "pay back" those donors with special favors, special considerations in legislation or cushy jobs after their political careers.

Part of the problem in our political world is that people like you believe that one party is to blame. lol

-- Posted by mrxray on Thu, Sep 15, 2011, at 9:31 AM

nanadot... here is a repost of Census Bureau data explaining that your concept of the rich getting richer is FALSE.

Meanwhile, the gap between the best-off and worst-off Americans remained largely unchanged. The top fifth of households accounted for 50.2% of all pre-tax income; the bottom two-fifths got 11.8%. In 1999, the top fifth claimed 49.4% and the bottom got 12.5% of the income.


-- Posted by mrxray on Thu, Sep 15, 2011, at 9:22 AM

Nana,News: Keep your optimism,i've run a little short! News, i bet it was a delightful change when you relocate to Australia? Sounds great! Have a great day you guys!

-- Posted by Jo on Thu, Sep 15, 2011, at 2:01 AM



Eric does have an itchy delete trigger finger lol lol lol, but I don't think your comment is in any danger.

Jo let's hope the teaparty neocons don't represent a majority in America or we will be finished and all the faith in the World wouldn't change that.

Fortunately, I think the teaparty neocons are a small vocal minority and I think after that comment by Ron "let 'em all die" Paul, the People are beginning to realize what these teaparty crazies are all about.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Sep 14, 2011, at 11:00 PM

I'm not that optimistic that any of this can be changed.Especially in a sane nonviolent manner. Do you see what People of color or the Gay community went through. I was one of the ignorant in my younger days,something i'm not proud of in my life, but true! It takes some living to see how wrong i was. So the People we have in Washington now are worse, because this group (can't) be Honest about anything! Its also a big majority of the People have lost all empathy for others.If you seen this last debate and Paul waS asked about someone without Insurance being cared for, or left to die, this answer was shocking,when the People clapped and some said let them Die! This makes my blood boil! I better let this go before they have to Delete this!

-- Posted by Jo on Wed, Sep 14, 2011, at 10:30 PM

I was speaking with a friend of mine in Town the other day.

His name is George. He is one of our local businessmen with a retail outlet store.

I have known George for a number of years now -- he is a good guy and a successful businessman.

He is also Egyptian.

In fact, he is also a Christian -- a Coptic Christian who spent most his life as a member of that highly oppressed minority in Egypt.

He lives here in Australia now. He loves Democracy and he always has good things to say about both Australia and America.

The other day he asked me what I thought about what is going on in America now. He was very concerned. I told him that things are tough in America right now -- real tough.

This alarmed George quite a bit. I didn't have to ask him why it alarmed him. I could see that answer on his face -- he has always looked to America as the hope of the World's down-trodden poor. I know he was wondering what the future might be like if there is no America in the World.

I told him not to worry.

America has been down before -- down but not finished. I told George that in my opinion -- and I think history bares this out as well -- the one thing that really does distinguish Americans is that "can do" spirit. We are not a people easily beaten. I told him that America is just sorting a few things out right now but not to worry 'cause She will be right back on top soon.

I believe that and have no doubts what-so-ever that we Americans will, when things get tough enough, get going rebuilding our Nation into the great World leader she was in her glory days before Dubba Bush and his cronies threw a few wrenches into the system.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Sep 14, 2011, at 10:30 PM


No doubt about it mate, its a tough road to travel but our Nation is worth it.

Our Nation has always been a beacon of freedom, I hope we can be that beacon again.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Sep 14, 2011, at 10:13 PM

News I hope you are right, I can't see it happening but we need to be optimistic.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Sep 14, 2011, at 7:45 PM


Absolutely mate.

I believe we will ultimately pass a Constitutional Amendment prohibiting lobbying of our Congressional Representitives and prohibiting the Congress from accepting any cash, gifts, or contributions of any kind from lobbyists -- or anyone -- or our Nation will surely perish.

A Constitutional Amendment that would establish only Government financed political campaigning as the only lawful way to campaign would be a step in the right direction. Such an Amendment could allow Congress to set maximum limits on campaign expenditures and would guarantee each legitimate campaign has equal campaign funding. It would take the lobbyist money out of the formula immediately.

Our Nation cannot stand for long when our Congress only represents the rich folks, which is what we seem to have now.

Sooner or later Americans will have to either wake up and protect themselves against the rich or wake up and realize the Great Democratic Experiment we call the United States no longer exists -- and what replaces it may not be pretty if ya know what I mean.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Sep 14, 2011, at 7:20 PM


Thanks for posting that link. I like graphs lol, but most of all it was so darned informative.

While looking at the graphs and the facts the graphs illustrate, it occurred to me that somehow the teaparty neocons -- who brought us war, lies, torture, national economic ruin, the Roberts Court, blanket spying on all the communications of American citizens -- without a warrant and in violation of our law, and set the course of events we now decry -- were merely fooled by the Bush Administration.

It occurred to me that these poor teaparty neocons are just not very bright and were getting sucked into all that teaparty neocon nonsense.

I guess no-one wants to think that some of their fellow Americans may actually be evil in their heart. Its much easier to believe they are merely confused.

However, at this point I for one can no longer delude myself. I believe the teaparty neocons are evil. There is no other logical reason to explain their continuing war on America.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Sep 14, 2011, at 4:56 PM

"Top 5 things the tea party will cheer"


-- Posted by news across on Wed, Sep 14, 2011, at 4:05 PM

Notice how x-ray makes no mention of Bush and the Republican Party (aka the teaparty) policies that caused the current Great Depression II in the first place which began in 2007 and was the result of 6 years of Republican/teaparty policies.

I guess he must think Americans -- especially Americans in Marshall -- have forgotten how we got in this mess in the first place.

The sad part is that he is probably right about that memory problem.

However, he would do well to remember that many of us in this forum have not forgotten what happened as a result of teaparty/Republican party policies of the Bush Administration.

We remember.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Sep 14, 2011, at 4:04 PM

With Obama's bailouts and stimuli plans and failed promises of unemployment not over 8% and all of the cash for clunkers and other tax payer funded bad attempts at fixing our economy the numbers do not lie.

Record number of poor in 2010, up 3.4 MILLION from 2009


Real median income dipped below 50K per year, the first time since 1996

More than a quarter of American households earned less than $25,000 a year in 2010. Adjusting for inflation, that hasn't happened since 1994

Young Americans, aged 15 to 24, saw their incomes fall by nearly 10 percent between 2009 and 2010

Minorities saw their incomes decline further than whites. By 2010, white Americans' median incomes were down 5.4 percent from their pre-recession peak. Hispanics and Asians each saw incomes drop by about 7.5 percent in that timeframe. For African-Americans, they dropped 10 percent

Even the rich have suffered (really). While median incomes stagnated in the 2000s, the highest-earning Americans saw their incomes grow throughout the decade. The recession and its aftermath have wiped out those income gains at the top. In 2010, income at the lower bound of the top 10 percent of earners was $138,923 -- a 3.5 percent drop from its pre-recession peak.

22% of children are now living below the poverty line, the biggest percentage since 1993.

BUT before you claim that the rich are getting richer and the divide between the richest and the poorest is growing the Census bureau put out these stats

Meanwhile, the gap between the best-off and worst-off Americans remained largely unchanged. The top fifth of households accounted for 50.2% of all pre-tax income; the bottom two-fifths got 11.8%. In 1999, the top fifth claimed 49.4% and the bottom got 12.5% of the income.


Foreclosures up 200% in the month of August.


So all in all the whole concept of borrowing and stealing from the tax payers is FAILING on a very dramatic scale. The spend spend spend policies of Bush and exponentially greater by Obama are not working.

-- Posted by mrxray on Wed, Sep 14, 2011, at 3:31 PM

news... what dont you get about your ideas about economics.. the money you purpose to use for a quadrillion, or however much money is enough, ALL Comes from two places... tax payers which RUINS the economy by taking away money from individuals where it is removed from the economy and put into a red tape, fraud and waste filled, corrupt political machine OR it is obtained by taking out more loans or printing more money BOTH of which have consequences of HUGE debt finance charges and forcing our inflation higher.

The flaw is NOT fiscally conservative policies the flaw is the idea that the tax payer can fund more and more and more and more and more and more, infinite increases in our BUDGET when our economy is SHRINKING! Good grief.

So to fund your bazillion dollar stimulus can you PLEASE tell me where your money tree is hiding.

-- Posted by mrxray on Wed, Sep 14, 2011, at 3:19 PM

News... here is a GREAT example when you try to allow the government to FORCE some sort of "Jobs" stimulus....

Solyndra fails after 535 MILLION in government backed (TAXPAYER BACKED) dollars.


IRONICALLY Bush and his Admin REFUSED to loan this company money. Why? Because this company claimed to be able to work magic by creating something at the cost of $6.00 but being able to sell it for $3.00..... I guess that simple math got lost on the Obama Admin who DID loan that money to a political campaign contributor.

Another example in this same industry..... greed graft and corrpution all in the LIBERALLY pushed Green industry where these companies are after FREE money from the government KNOWING UP FRONT that they can waste it because if they fail the tax payer will pay off their loan.


More irony... Obama to tout "NEW" jobs bill at a Company that is outsourcing HALF of its work force to Costa Rica. AGAIN to another campaign contributor. FUNNY... the ONLY jobs Obama has seemed to create are jobs that are going over seas... unless you are counting those imaginary jobs saved that have been proved... imaginary.


-- Posted by mrxray on Wed, Sep 14, 2011, at 3:14 PM

News thanks for the invite. I doubt I will make it except in spirit...broad sense of spirit, no insinuation of haunting intended.

You are always welcome in Oklahoma, you too ND, though for the life of me I can't fathom why either of you would want to come here. Well...maybe a sociological field trip to see what happens when the Tea Party takes over. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Sep 14, 2011, at 11:39 AM

Nothing like sharing a pint. What a wonderful day that would be.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Sep 14, 2011, at 11:33 AM

"Studies: Financial regulation leads to long-term growth"


"New Bank Capital Rules Will Eventually Foster Growth, Studies Assert"


-- Posted by news across on Wed, Sep 14, 2011, at 4:19 AM


I asked you to tell us how the teaparty slash and hack approach to the economy will create new jobs.

You never even went there at all.

Instead you want to make some errant criticism of the Keynesian approach, and as if that is not bad enough, you then want to also erroneously criticize Obamabush's stimulus of the economy (which I and many other economists pointed out was far to little to have the desired effect of full economic recovery at the time his plan was announced -- it appears that we were correct in our analysis).

Well...at least Obamabush has a plan. That is a heck of a lot more than anyone can say about the teaparty neocons.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Sep 14, 2011, at 3:55 AM


It was a great day to be sure.

Its why I often times describe myself as a "Permanent Tourist."

I hope you had a chance to see some of the photos at the links I posted.

One last thing OKR, if you ever give any thought to coming to Australia for a holiday, remember that you do have a friend already down there lol...that can be a big money saver...seriously...if you ever think you might want to visit Sydney -- let me know. You find yourself more than welcome mate.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Sep 14, 2011, at 3:41 AM


Regarding Dr. Krugman,

I guess the truth is hard for some folks to take but that does not mean Dr. Krugman should remain silent and not speak truth.

I agree 100% with Dr. Krugman's professional opinion.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Sep 14, 2011, at 3:37 AM


At my age, maturity is not an issue lol.

As to Palin, she has a demonstrated, consistent history of being...well for lack of a better word...an imbecile.

I am not interested in hearing her recite and re-recite erroneous statements, moronic empty opinion, or her revisionist history nonsense.

Dummies like Palin may be sincere, but sincere stupidity is still stupidity.

I prefer to listen to men and women of wisdom...not dummies like Palin.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Sep 14, 2011, at 3:34 AM

What a great day News. The next time you are going there send me a ticket, and I'll join in. I do toss back a pint of Guiness now, and then. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Sep 13, 2011, at 11:15 PM

MXR I read your post about 9-11, and thought what an insightful post. That is until I realized that what had impressed me was Krugman's words. There were no quote marks around them so I was slow to realize that I was reading his words, not yours. For a moment I thought you had seen the light.

Oh well.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Sep 13, 2011, at 11:06 PM

News... lol real MATURE attitude... simply because you dont like a person (Palin) you dont want to read what she stated and discuss it... LOL

-- Posted by mrxray on Tue, Sep 13, 2011, at 10:44 PM

news... again... infrastructure jobs subsidized by the government will ultimately END even if they are privatized. This is no different than artificially stimulating the auto market with cash for clunkers... ultimately the people who were planning on buying in the next 6-12 months bought early and there was a lull in purchases as those who wanted to and could buy had already purchased. Sure the economy might get a bump as there are people working and spending what they make BUT we have already supposedly had a stimulus plan but the shovel ready jobs were not shovel ready (Obama thought this was funny!) How can we justify giving our HARD EARNED wages to an inept government that just proves over and over and over that it is inept and inefficient and corrupt and wasteful?

-- Posted by mrxray on Tue, Sep 13, 2011, at 10:43 PM

Now here is a liberal all you Marshall liberals probably idolize! Notice the date and time of this rant of irrational hatred for someone and how VILE his words are and on a day reserved for remembering and honoring those that died at the hands of Islamic Terrorists.

Why are you not declaring that Paul Krugman should be fired and forced to apoligize?

September 11, 2011, 8:41 AM

The Years of Shame

Is it just me, or are the 9/11 commemorations oddly subdued?

Actually, I don't think it's me, and it's not really that odd. What happened after 9/11 -- and I think even people on the right know this, whether they admit it or not -- was deeply shameful. Te [sic] atrocity should have been a unifying event, but instead it became a wedge issue. Fake heroes like Bernie Kerik, Rudy Giuliani, and, yes, George W. Bush raced to cash in on the horror. And then the attack was used to justify an unrelated war the neocons wanted to fight, for all the wrong reasons.

A lot of other people behaved badly. How many of our professional pundits -- people who should have understood very well what was happening -- took the easy way out, turning a blind eye to the corruption and lending their support to the hijacking of the atrocity?

The memory of 9/11 has been irrevocably poisoned; it has become an occasion for shame. And in its heart, the nation knows it.

I'm not going to allow comments on this post, for obvious reasons.

Paul Krugman

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matthew-she...

-- Posted by mrxray on Tue, Sep 13, 2011, at 10:36 PM

Hi mates.

I took a bit of a holiday away from reading or posting any comments here in this forum yesterday.

I am glad to see ND and RR definitely had things under control here lol lol lol...

Yesterday was one of my "Tourist Days" here in beautiful, spring-time Sydney. I enjoy my tourist days. Its my chance to get out and enjoy some of the best spots in Sydney.

I started my journey on the commuter train from the suburb I live in to downtown Sydney -- 30 minutes and the train was crowded. I got off the train at its stop near Town Hall in the Heart of Sydney. Its a beautiful building, built in the 1880's, it still serves as the City's center of Government. You can see a photo of it here:


One interesting thing about that area of Sydney, there is a massive underground mall below the streets and buildings there on George Street -- including Town Hall -- and it also connects to the commuter train station there. It is literally a city beneath a city down there.

My tourist day out continued as I went to the local "Hungry Jacks" on George Street. Hungry Jacks is Burger King. I don't know why they call it Hungry Jacks but despite its name, its a Burger King. I had a double whopper...high cholesterol be danged!

After that delicious meal, I wandered down to one of my favorite pubs -- Scruffy Murphy's Irish Pub -- for a pint of Guinness.


Scruffy's is an old establishment here in Sydney. The employees are all from Ireland. Yesterday for example, the bar tender was a gal from Dublin. Apparently if you order Guinness in a pitcher, it makes Irish bartenders kinda...well...angry. As was explained to me in no uncertain words, it seems no self-respecting Irishman...or Irishwoman... would ever pour Guinness into a plastic pitcher. I guess even asking for a pitcher of it is some kind of violation of ancient Irish tradition or something. So I just had a couple of pints instead.

Next I moved on to Circular Quay. Its the place where the ships, the Harbour Ferries, the trains, and the buses all meet. Its right next to the Sydney Opera House.



I caught a ferry across the Sydney Harbour to Manly -- a suburb on the South Pacific with one of the most famous beaches in the World, aptly named, Manly Beach.


Oh btw, anyone who might be planning a holiday in Sydney may want to consider a ride on the ferry -- particularly if the harbour has big waves lol. Its so cool!

Manly is a fascinating suburb. It has a lot of culture and is also a big draw to English tourists. For some reason the English regard no holiday in Australia complete with out a trip to Manly. I also know of one American who likes Manly too lol. Manly is one big party from the moment you get off the ferry. There is a long esplanade -- about 6 blocks I would guess -- that leads to the beach. The Manly Esplanade is almost as fun as the beach itself. There is usually free, live music, wine tasting, tons of surfing stores, restaurants, pubs, tourist shops, -- almost anything the needy tourist requires.



Across the street from Manly Beach are a number of coffee shops and pubs -- all with outdoor cafe seating for convenient South Pacific Ocean viewing. Its the location of one of my favorite pubs -- mostly due to its location. I watched the beach, watched some cargo ships way off in the horizon, and sipped my schooner of Tooy's Old...a premium Irish-style bitter beer that is very popular in Sydney...especially popular with me lol.


The day was just beautiful.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Sep 13, 2011, at 8:01 PM

Perhaps folks would like to see the mayor's motivation behind his unilateral decision to inject religion into our city government.


These folks believe that we can't be a partiot without god in our goverment.

This is excactly why religion and government do not mix.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Tue, Sep 13, 2011, at 8:23 AM

These Creeps are doing there damndest to make it difficult to vote in a bunch of States! Why do you think that is? Its Republicans doing it. Don't you even get a hint that somethings going on?They can blow all the smoke they want,there is not a fair voting system in this Country anymore! There is no, (in my opinion)a way of changing it but spitting in everyone of their faces that lie too us! Im 76 years old and would give the rest my life to be one of the officer to arrest one, or all of the lying fools for something! All of the dumbfools! I sat all day Sunday listening to all the liars who were telling the rescue workers back in 2001 that the air was safe,and now the Government don't want to make things right for them,what kind of Country does this say we have? Get out of your easy chairs and start raising hell with these dishonorable ba****** any way you can!! We are the Government!

-- Posted by Jo on Tue, Sep 13, 2011, at 12:48 AM

Nana I asked "Is that fair to the tax payers?" Pretty simple 'Yes' or 'No' I implied nothing you did for a petty argument. Get over it.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Tue, Sep 13, 2011, at 12:19 AM

This is why only a select few post on here.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Tue, Sep 13, 2011, at 12:16 AM

Nana you are the one always about fairness and you never answered the question. So don't worry about it I tried to keep it simple for some dialogue, not attack. Sorry, calm down.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Tue, Sep 13, 2011, at 12:14 AM

Forget about it Nana don't worry about it. Jeez!

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Mon, Sep 12, 2011, at 11:49 PM

I just asked if it was fair to the tax payers Nana?

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Mon, Sep 12, 2011, at 9:22 PM

2012 may be the first election that over 50% of the eligible voters don't pay any taxes because of low income or a recipient of some social program. Is that fair to the tax payers? I think one thing has been proven extending unemployment benefits and expanding social programs don't create jobs.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Mon, Sep 12, 2011, at 7:56 PM

"Economist Robert Reich explains 'big lies' about the economy"


"Paul Krugman On Stimulus Moving Forward Into 2011"


"Richard Wolff: Debt Debate is "Political Theater"


This is what the experts have to say about it.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Sep 12, 2011, at 7:16 PM


I am not interested in hearing what Palin has to say.

She lost me when she revealed she believes the World is 6 to 10 thousand years old.

In addition, I was not too impressed to hear her tell me and millions of other Americans that Paul Revere rode through the night to warn the British that the Colonialists were armed with guns...lol.

Dummies don't make good sources -- or good government policies.

Its just a simple case of "Garbage in/ Garbage out."

No thanks!

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Sep 12, 2011, at 6:52 PM


Permanent jobs manned with men and women employed on jobs projects, under the plan I am suggesting, would eventually see their jobs phased into private employment (privatised), and those workers would have the opportunity to continue preforming the same work on the same projects which can continue on but for private employers contracted to do the work and maintenance -- contracted by the Federal Government.

The immediate employment of the unemployed at good wages and good benefits would have an almost immediate. positive effect on our economy.

All the unemployed would become consumers as soon as they start work. The long-term employment would spur massive purchases of new homes and durable goods.

The infrastructure rebuilding would also mean large increases in demand for building products -- almost all of them manufactured and owned by domestic companies. This new demand would in and of itself cause new jobs to be created in that sector of the economy, while the millions of new consumers would cause manufactures to vastly increase sales of their products and would lead to increased production -- and millions of new jobs created in the process.

Billions in new tax revenues would become available to the government and would greatly reduce the deficit -- as such an approach has done in the past. In fact, the empirical evidence suggests that increasing employment is the most productive and effective way to bring down government deficits.

Finally, a works project that includes creating a massive green energy production network nation-wide would have enormous, multiple benefits. Not only would in create immediate jobs for the unemployed, but it would create and finance the building of an entirely new sector of the economy. That means millions of new private sector jobs as well. In addition, the new green energy production would provide for our growing energy needs at a fraction of the cost of fossil fuel or nuclear energy production allowing that money to flow to other sectors of the economy.

This tried, true, and tested Keynesian approach would, if done right, end the deflation, stimulate massive new economic growth, and would create an entirely new sector of the economy, and would ultimately provide full-employment to the millions of Americans now desperately seeking employment.

This approach has been very successful in a number of countries around the World and its success has been well supported by the empirical data. Its an approach we know works.

Now 'splain to me how you approach of cutting social programs and financing 4 wars creates jobs -- other than combat positions of course lol.

'Splain to me how your ideas to initiate major government layoffs creates jobs. Please 'splain to us all specifically how your plan creates jobs.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Sep 12, 2011, at 6:47 PM

Lets see how you all respond to the actual WHOLE text of Palin's labor day speech... are you lefty hacks open minded enough to agree with Palin and her views of how established political careerists of BOTH parties are invested in continuing to spend billions and trillions and how they keep the REAL Americans of ANY political persuasion down and both sides of the career political establishment love crises and scare tactics and how the big businesses are in bed with BOTH parties and because of this we cant EVER really solve our economic problems on the short term or the long term.


-- Posted by mrxray on Mon, Sep 12, 2011, at 6:14 PM

Here is an interesting read regarding the failings of wind energy and how this is NOT as "green" or efficient as the media, the greenies like Al Gore and Obama would like us to believe.


-- Posted by mrxray on Mon, Sep 12, 2011, at 6:02 PM

news... one problem... major problem... you so called "permanent" jobs on infrastructure ARE NOT, WERE NOT shovel ready. AND more importantly, what happens several years down the road when those jobs start on their end phases and the ground/foundation work is done and more and more groups of workers have no more "GOVERNMENT SPONSORED" work to do? The answer is simple. The economy crashes again because there will be a sudden explosion of unemployment again. The answer is NOT government unStimuli but is in fact getting our house in order fiscally and stop this culture of spend spend spend that the political elite on BOTH sides of the aisle have grown accustomed to.

-- Posted by mrxray on Mon, Sep 12, 2011, at 6:01 PM

"Fahrenheit 911"


Lest we forget the facts...

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Sep 12, 2011, at 5:16 PM


I do not understand where anyone gets the notion that the rich are job creaters.

Only demand can create jobs.

Not the rich.

The rich only invest money for one reason and one reason only -- to make a profit.

If there is little or no demand, which is defined as having the desire and the ABILITY to purchase goods and services, then there is no profit in it for the rich. They don't start up companies and hire workers because they are nice. They only start up companies and hire workers when they can sell the product or service adequately enough to make a profit.

Only economic demand can create jobs.

Working people consume and thus create economic demand.

Unemployed people are mot consumers in the same sense since the unemployed only make minimal purchases of the necessities and do not purchase durable goods or new housing starts.

We absolutely need direct government hiring of the unemployed into permanent, high-wage-paying jobs rebuilding our national infrastructure. Such building projects coupled with the newly employed workers create a domino effect of job creation. The newly employed begin to consume goods and services and consumption begins to increase nationally. The new consumption causes employers to hire new workers because they are selling so much more. These new workers also become new consumers and consumption continues to rise. This new, increased consumption causes employers -- who are selling a lot more at that point -- to hire new workers, creating new, increased consumption and so on and so forth.

I would love for anyone -- especially the neocons -- to show me how a rich person creates jobs when consumption is highly depressed and there is no increasing demand for their goods and services.

Anybody who claims that the rich are the source of job creation is a person with absolutely no understanding of capitalist economic systems. They have no idea what they are talking about. And anyone who listens to such nonsense should have their head examined.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Sep 12, 2011, at 3:20 PM

"911 Press for Truth [Full Film]"


In their own words, the families of the 9/11 victims.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Sep 12, 2011, at 3:18 AM

I have to admit, life is much better after one escapes from under the American Iron Curtain.

"We have seen the enemy, and they are us."


(A cartoon character by cartoonist Walt Kelly)

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Sep 11, 2011, at 10:27 PM


Unfortunately it's been much longer than 20 years. What can we do? Nothing. Big money will see to that. Oh, They let us have our little elections for the sake of passivity, to lull us into thinking we actually have a say in how our country is governed.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Sun, Sep 11, 2011, at 10:15 PM

If we found out that our Government has been one big scam in the last 20 years ! What would be done by the People? I think absolutely nothing!Its clear to me we have become absolutely passive to these Politician Freaks! They are all one big zero,in my Opinion.

-- Posted by Jo on Sun, Sep 11, 2011, at 9:42 PM

Ok Nana,

I got to call you on this one. Everyone knows that our American God( you know the one our country was founded upon ) is the one true god.

Therefore we have the god given right to do as we please when and where we want. Even if our last president and vice-president are scared to leave the country for fear of arrest. Interesting paradox.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Sun, Sep 11, 2011, at 9:32 PM

"When asked about the lawsuit, House Speaker John Boehner made the following remarks:

'Mr. Christ is entitled to his opinion, however the GOP believes that the underlying message in the Bible is that giving tax cuts to the wealthy is the true path to happiness.

I don't know where Mr. Christ thinks the Bible says to help the poor and the sick, but that sounds awfully socialistic to me, and we are not a socialist country."

Wonderful OKR...a sweet little gem that one!

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Sep 11, 2011, at 7:48 PM

Now there is a law suit waiting to happen. I can see the plaintiff winning all the way to the Supreme Court appeal where he would lose by a 5-4 decision. http://freewoodpost.com/2011/09/05/jesus...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Sep 11, 2011, at 6:31 PM

"Krugman: 9/11 made Bush, Giuliani become 'fake heroes'"


"The Years of Shame"

Paul Krugman


-- Posted by news across on Sun, Sep 11, 2011, at 12:54 PM


American Excellence??

You think the Empire State building is something? You should see what the Egyptians built long before we came along.

American Excellence?? In what, illiteracy? lol lol lol lol...

Look mate, I know we were raised in an established military empire and like other empires we came to think we were exceptional, and like other failed empires, we are now learning that in fact we are no better than any other people in any other country.

There is no American Excellence.

There is only the reality of a crumbling empire.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Sep 11, 2011, at 1:13 AM

Pacifying and appeasing the has led to the destruction of this country. By not recognizing the danger of the liberal media. So much power and so much destruction. We built the Empire State Building in 18 months during a depression but we can't fill a hole in New York in 10 years because it is not politically correct or we may offend someone. What happened to American excellence? We have given it up for political correctness and compromise. Whenever we compromise we lose and we are losing this country because of it. The only way to get it back is to stand for what we believe and defeat our enemies. You only have victory when your enemy is defeated otherwise you prolong the agony and the pain.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sun, Sep 11, 2011, at 12:30 AM


In your comment you say,

"pacifism, ignoring reality and appeasement are what leads people and nations like Hitler and Germany to obtain so much power and cause so much destruction."

You are wrong again mate.

Fascism, Racism, and a war-machine are what lead "people and nations like Hitler and Germany to obtain so much power and cause so much destruction."

Peace does not create war, but war destroys peace.

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Sep 10, 2011, at 8:09 PM

"9/11 Building 7"

A 9/11 Tribute by Martin Noakes


-- Posted by news across on Sat, Sep 10, 2011, at 8:06 PM

I hope the headline of 500 tea party protesters taking hostage and the following article get your attention and you left leaning closed minded people can understand that the media IS biased AGAINST the tea party and against the right and that the UNIONS are doing more and more violent things against people, most of whom are innocent people and the media is IGNORING it... but were ONE single tea partier to do something like this then the media would be having a hay day.... just as they did with the shooting in Arizona blaming the actions or a KNOWN crazy person upon a imaginary tea party connection. LOL


here is different link because I know some of you will cry about a "Big" website.


-- Posted by mrxray on Sat, Sep 10, 2011, at 7:58 PM

pacifism, ignoring reality and appeasement are what leads people and nations like Hitler and Germany to obtain so much power and cause so much destruction.

-- Posted by mrxray on Sat, Sep 10, 2011, at 7:55 PM

Thanks for the interesting link OKR, it was very informative to say the least.

How sad it is that we spend so much money, military resources, and blood defending a nation that so ruthlessly attacked our Ship, the USS Liberty and murdered so many American sailors.

My youngest son is currently serving in the US Navy. So I wonder sometimes how the Moms and Dads of the 34 dead American Sailors might feel about Israel's bloody attack on the United States and our lack of any response to that act of war.

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Sep 10, 2011, at 5:11 PM

I HAD forgotten about that one News. Thanks for the reminder.

I think that we at the time just didn't pay much attention to it, as we were focused on Nam. After all, there were nearly ten thousand of our troops killed there in 1967, and over fifty thousand wounded. Add to that the fact that LBJ by that time had totally lost his moral bearing, partially from all the lies he had told about the war, made one more lie, and cover up, easy for him.

You may hav seen this, if not you may find it interesting. http://www.ifamericansknew.org/us_ints/u...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Sep 10, 2011, at 1:51 AM

USS Liberty Veterans Association


34 brave Americans killed in action, 173 brave Americans wounded.

Lest we forget...

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Sep 9, 2011, at 11:36 PM

"Egyptians break into Israeli Embassy in Cairo"


Yeah with that Puppet Dictator gone and the People in charge in Egypt...well...Israel has a problem lol.

"Turkish warships to escort next Gaza freedom flotilla"


Oh more good news!!

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Sep 9, 2011, at 9:49 PM

"Watch Obama's jobs speech in 35 seconds"



-- Posted by news across on Fri, Sep 9, 2011, at 6:08 PM


Here is my input mate.

I for one am tired of the couch treatment!!

As for Obamabush, I don't fault him for being ineffective in the face of a hostile -- and crazy -- Congress. As long as the teaparty neocons have a majority in the House, he won't be able to do much.

My opposition to Obamabush begins with his warmongering. I don't ever support warmongers. I am a pacifist. I don't support sending young people to their death and especially to invade foreign countries who didn't attack us and never even had the military capacity to attack us. I think imperialism is wrong. I think genocide is wrong. I think Obamabush is wrong.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Sep 9, 2011, at 3:32 PM


Yeah I know what ya mean mate. I think that is one reason most Americans would never consider running for the White House. No-one in their right mind would want to go through the media meat grinder -- those guys are vicious!!

Its kind of a shame though because I think maybe what we need right now is someone who is not a politician, not a rich fat-cat, and who would not sell out the people -- a regular guy or gal who understands the meaning of hard work.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Sep 9, 2011, at 3:20 PM

I really appreciate the support news but I will never run for office because I like to keep all of my skeletons where they belong, in the closet.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Fri, Sep 9, 2011, at 12:38 PM

Paid for and kept in pocket. yep I aggree

-- Posted by BigFatGuy on Fri, Sep 9, 2011, at 11:18 AM

Can we all agree that regardless of our iealogical leaning, government is bought and paid for? The super wealthy don't have to break laws because they can afford to change them.

So I guess the real question is what can we really do about it?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, Sep 9, 2011, at 11:11 AM

quick question, why do we always blame the president who sits for a maximum of 8 years?

congress has members who have been bending us over the couch for decades and we dont seem to hold them responsible.

have we resigned to the fact that congress is no longer a useful governing body?

It would explain why the last several wars were begun with out so much as asking the only branch of our government who is allowed to declare war.

I really dont know please give me your input.

-- Posted by BigFatGuy on Fri, Sep 9, 2011, at 11:03 AM


Sure I was serious about rr3yvo ;)

I would love to see how rr3yvo would fix all of our problems in four years without any help at all from congress. I would love to see how they pull that off.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, Sep 9, 2011, at 9:18 AM

WTF, are you suggesting a "Draft RR for President Campaign? It certainly would be possible to launch a write in campaign I guess.

Actually, it may be that perhaps what we need for President is an average guy or gal?

RR is definitely a man of good character. Some of us may disagree with his points of view sometimes, but no one can deny he is a good man of impeccable integrity who would probably do the very best job he could. Maybe that is exactly what our Country needs in the White House -- an honest person who believes in getting the job done.

He has my vote!

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Sep 9, 2011, at 7:12 AM

Oklahoma Reader

Nope, but good guess mate. I can see why you might have guessed Constitution Party, but nope.

You were close if its any consolation mate.

It was the...hold on to your seat...the American NAZI Party.

I think the thing that really surprised me the most during my research was that so many of the points of the American NAZI Party Platform seem very compatible with many of the points on the Republican Party Platform such as their fear of undocumented workers, their opposition to abortion, their opposition to unions, and a whole bunch more. This is not to say the 2 parties are the same but rather that they do share many commonalities.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Sep 9, 2011, at 6:13 AM


Why don't you run for president?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, Sep 9, 2011, at 6:01 AM

Sometimes I just get "wore slick" as some of my old work mates at F. M. Stamper Co. used to say.

I get wore slick at the insanity of how our government avoids dealing with our economic depression, including not even having the guts to call it what it is.

I get wore slick at their craven behavior in the face of a war that they know has failed. A war that continues to kill women, children, and our own citizens. Ten years is far more than enough already.

And sometimes I even get wore slick at ancillary matters connected to the endless war. Such as the fact that after ten years, TEN YEARS, we the complacent people of America do not have even ONE contemporary anti-war anthem that we have taken to our hearts, and sing with one voice all across America.

We need a song, at least one song for God's sake, of the people, by the people. A true song of the folk. One that makes us sob, one that sends chills down our spine, puts a lump in our throat, and raises the hair on the back of our necks. One that makes us feel the pain, and heart ache of the families of the dead, and maimed. And not just the heart ache of those families in America, but also the ones in Afghanistan, and Iraq, and every where else that fruitless war exists.

When will we ever learn, oh when will we ever learn.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Sep 9, 2011, at 12:38 AM

Just a guess News, I haven't checked it out. Would that be the Constitution Party?

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Sep 8, 2011, at 11:53 PM


I just had a look at how many political parties there are in the USA. There are quite a few of them.

I am looking at their platforms to see what they each support or oppose, who is in their party, ect.

Here is the platform of one of those parties.

See if you can guess which party it is by its party platform.

1.) This party strongly opposes undocumented workers and supports a strong increase in the number of Troops protecting our border with Mexico. In addition, they support stricter immigration rules, greater limits to immigration, and expediting deportations of undocumented workers (aka illegal immigrants).

2.) This party supports "...a healthy environment, children's welfare, and freedom of belief without fear of System persecution."

3.) This party is strong on national defense. They fully supported Bush's invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq and insist we stay until our objectives there have been completed.

4.) They are opposed to Government bailouts of banks and large corporations.

5.) They oppose most of Obama's policies, if not all of his Administration's policies.

6.) This party supports strong American dominance of World markets.

7.) This party believes policies that lead to job creation should be the first priority of our state and federal governments.

8.) This party believes "All citizens shall have equal rights and duties, regardless of class or station.'

9.) This party is strongly opposed to unions.

10.) This party supports "the restructuring of social security and welfare to include drug testing for welfare recipients."

11.) This party favors "The replacement of the current tax system with a flat-rate tax based on income"

12.) This party believes "The state must ensure that the nation's health standards are raised by protecting mothers, infants, and the unborn"

13.) This party supports policies that result in the "...reestablishment of the nuclear family in which the father works while the mother stays at home and takes care of the children if they so choose.

14.) This party strongly supports "the right to bear arms for law-abiding citizens."

15.) This party encourages the "opening up to every able and hardworking American the possibility of higher education and of thus obtaining advancement."

Ok well those are most of their important party platform positions.

Any guesses as to which political party it is?

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Sep 8, 2011, at 9:36 PM

Who watched the pre-game show and who watched Obama? Tough decision. lol

One thing we learned from the Republican debate was 'that any one of them is better then what we got'. If Obama was white the Dems would run someone against him in the primary but since he is black they need to protect him.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, Sep 8, 2011, at 8:25 PM


Lol, yeah it does kinda narrow things down.

However, there are parties other than the Dems or the Republicans and the teaparty is nothing more than the neocons of the Republican Party. You may remember them for giving us Bush. The Dems aren't much better because the Dems have a tendency to cave in quick to the teaparty neocons with little, if any, resistance.

The Republicans are crazy so they are definitely out.

So I am having a look at a few other parties and see what new, fresh ideas are being offered by some of the other guys and gals.

After all, they couldn't do any worse than what the teaparty neocons have done to our Nation.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Sep 8, 2011, at 8:03 PM

Hey ND

Where ya been?

Nice to have ya back mate.

As you know, I am as yet uncommitted regarding which party I am willing to support.

I can guarantee you my choice won't include any candidate who does not believe in the scientific method or who rejects reason and logic. If a candidate tells me she or he believes the World is 6000 to 10,000 years old, I immediately strike that candidate off my list. OK, well maybe not immediately...I usually have to finish laughing first and then I get our my red ink pen.

Also, my support won't be going to warmongers, DINO's, Neoclassicalists, Neocons, anybody who finds tea to be a fascinating subject, rich fat-cats, candidates who believe in magic, candidates who think Paul Revere was warning the British that we had guns, any candidate that has quit a previous elected office half-way through the job, Birthers, anyone named Orly Taitz, Bachmann, Palin, or Perry, and any candidate in the Republican Party.

Fortunately, the election is still more than a year away so I have a lot of time to weigh all my options...lol.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Sep 8, 2011, at 6:13 PM

"Watch MSNBC's GOP debate in 45 seconds"



-- Posted by news across on Thu, Sep 8, 2011, at 5:40 PM


Yeah I am thinking about buying a bungalow in his district just so I can vote for him.

He is such a swell guy...as are all the neocon teapartiers.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Sep 8, 2011, at 5:30 PM


Yeah...darn it. I guess I will just have to LIVE with it.

Lol lol lol...

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Sep 8, 2011, at 5:27 PM

"Following the president's state of the union speech, Walsh remarked that he did not believe there should be a social safety net because it is not in the Constitution."

Rep. Joe Walsh really is hard core, and when he says it he means it, to the point that he will not provide a safety net to his own children. I wonder if that is going to be his defense in the child support suit? After all if it doesn't say you have to do something in the Constitution, then you shouldn't have to do it. He is a man of values, and convictions, end of story.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Sep 8, 2011, at 5:17 PM


See, that's what happens when you don't have to support an industrial military complex and police the world.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Thu, Sep 8, 2011, at 4:50 PM

"Deadbeat dad tea party Rep. wants ex punished in child support case"


Perhaps this illustrates another of the many bad characteristics of the average neocon teapartier.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Sep 8, 2011, at 4:24 PM

I don't know anything about cheese.

I do know that whenever I need medical care I just go see my doctor.

No bill

No co-pay

No insurance needed

It costs me nothing, I picked my doctor from the Yellow pages, the medical care is just as good as the medical care I received in the USA, and my taxes here in Oz are no higher than the taxes I paid in the US on the same amount of income.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Sep 8, 2011, at 4:11 PM

I don't like right wing cheese because it has no taste, it isn't nutritional, and is full of holes.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Sep 8, 2011, at 2:22 PM

I like liberal cheese because the whine comes with it.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, Sep 8, 2011, at 1:35 PM


What kind of cheese do you like?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Thu, Sep 8, 2011, at 1:14 PM

See what I mean? Exactly!

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, Sep 8, 2011, at 10:34 AM

Insurance Reform..

Well yes it was that.

Of course the rest of the modern World has socialized medicine -- the real deal -- but at least American Insurance Reform is a step in the right direction -- the direction of the 21st Century.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Sep 8, 2011, at 4:05 AM

HEY...I love that new game!!!


Finally, a game with a new perspective!

(I am just kidding friends)

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Sep 8, 2011, at 3:57 AM

Evenin ND...been missing your illustrious presence.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Sep 8, 2011, at 12:16 AM

BTW, About "Obamacare". I prefer the term "Health Insurance Reform" because that what it really is.

If giving it a childish schoolyard name gives you your jolly's then go for it.

How much of the bill has actually been enacted? What parts are in actually force right now? I'm curious........

-- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Sep 7, 2011, at 10:28 PM


If you think what I post about your posts is mean and condescending then maybe you should reconsider the stuff you post.

I mean, c'mon, you quote Rush Limbaugh as if he's some sort of rational, clear thinking authority figure. What do you expect? You are consistantly a parrot who apparently lacks the ability to form their own opinion without the help of FOX news or the bible. Both of which are highly questionable sources.

Oh, and I'm rubber and you're glue.......

-- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Sep 7, 2011, at 10:19 PM

Gallup: Uninsured Have Increased Under Obama and Since Obamacare Was Enacted


Just like the unemployed. How is that Obama thing worked for ya'.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Sep 7, 2011, at 9:04 PM

I'm impressed wtf you are consistently mean and condescending. All your liberal posters ought to be proud of you.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Sep 7, 2011, at 8:44 PM

US falls to 5th in global competitiveness, survey shows


We were #1 in 2008. I guess Obama is a success he has accomplished more in 3 years to ruin this economy then any other president.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Sep 7, 2011, at 8:40 PM


Right or left, sick is sick.

You are battin' a 1000. Once again you have missed the point.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Sep 7, 2011, at 8:24 PM

The left came up with it okr.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Sep 7, 2011, at 8:20 PM

Continuing the analogy if the restless herd breaks, who knows what will happen? In one direction is a cliff, another a roaring river. there remains only one sure path to run that doesn't end in annihilation. We can only hope there is a wise bell cow that the herd will follow to a better end, instead of a bitter end.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Sep 7, 2011, at 7:50 PM

Yup taxed payer way sick is right. Unfortunately there is a whole lot of sickness in our country right now. In my opinion it is pervasive.

Right now we are like a herd of cattle hearing thunder, and seeing lightning, still in the distance, milling, and bawling, as it gets closer, and closer. They grow ever more restless, not sure what is going to happen, not knowing why, they verge on stampede. It is the nature of the beast.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Sep 7, 2011, at 7:34 PM

I'm with you OKR. That "game" is sick. Way sick.

-- Posted by taxedpayer on Wed, Sep 7, 2011, at 7:23 PM

The flash game is sick Cheesehead, and I believe will be disavowed by the responsible left.

However, I can hear the following conversation in households somewhere in America.

Joe: What do those pinko librals think they is a doin?

Moe: Yeh, wantin to kill good God fearin Amurkins, when they oughter be like all them other good games whar we get to kill them nasty rag heads, gooks, and such.

Joe: Yup, it's positively un-Amurkin!

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Sep 7, 2011, at 7:17 PM


Don't get me wrong mate, I am not saying the Christian Nationalist Terrorists or the Muslim terrorists are representative of Christianity or Islam.

I think they are the exception and not the rule.

To clarify my position, please note that I believe most Christians and Muslims are very decent folks who obey our laws, respect our traditions, and are good, honest folks who would give the shirt off their back to help other folks out.

However, every now and again some crazy Christian Nationalist or some Muslim goes nuts and commits a terrorist act motivated by some twisted political reason.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Sep 7, 2011, at 4:54 PM

Flash game lets players gun down Palin, Bachmann, Fox News hosts


-- Posted by cheesehead on Wed, Sep 7, 2011, at 4:39 PM

Post the link so we can all see that cheesy.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Sep 7, 2011, at 2:21 PM

Wtf don't you get tired of defending what these people do?

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Sep 7, 2011, at 2:20 PM

Did anyone see the latest Tea Party rally they all dropped their Hitler signs when they heard Hoffa's speech.

-- Posted by cheesehead on Wed, Sep 7, 2011, at 12:39 PM


I did hear what Hoffa said in full. A single phrase was isolated and was taken out of context. Any normal adult would know that but then again,normal adults don't watch FOX news.

You act as if he shot up an IHOP.

You're right, stupid is as stupid does.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Sep 7, 2011, at 12:34 PM


With the decline in jobs and wages the union memberships have also declined. Dont forgot republicans got 40% of the union vote in 2008, but its the radical leadership that you guys put forward that will cause this to decline.

-- Posted by cheesehead on Wed, Sep 7, 2011, at 12:32 PM

Obama says he didn't hear what Hoffa said. So I guess the strategy is whatever you don't want to refute you just didn't hear it. That's why he didn't hear anything Rev. Wright said either. And to think some people voted for this guy and some of those same people will vote for him again. What did Forest Gump say,"Stupid is as stupid does". Makes more sense now then ever.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Sep 7, 2011, at 12:05 PM

It seems that everywhere in the country that is in the worst financial hardship there is either a Democrat or a union involved or both. The union thugs are running scared. Ford I hear is building a new plant in India. Really why do you think they are doing that?

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Sep 7, 2011, at 11:51 AM

You don't know that news you are just believing what you read. That's what they want you to believe. Without God what is true and how do you know?

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Sep 7, 2011, at 11:31 AM

Lol come on RR lol, I can read the newspapers.

I don't recall reading about a leftist -- most of who are pacifists -- committing a terrorist act, but I can think of a long list of recent Christian Nationalist terrorists as well as Muslim terrorists -- and all committed their blood thirsty crimes in the name of the God of Abraham.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Sep 7, 2011, at 8:24 AM

You must live a sheltered life news.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Sep 7, 2011, at 6:40 AM

Uh actually X-Ray, he is much more likely to be another crazy Christian Nationalist like the one in Norway.

I am not aware of any leftist doing anything like that before.

It seems most of the terrorists are Christian Nationalists and a handful are Muslim Terrorists -- both groups composed entirely of hardcore conservative religious nut cases with a crazy political agenda.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Sep 7, 2011, at 3:30 AM

No sense in butting heads to no avail X. As long as we are in the economic system that we are I will be a Keynesian. You will remain a supply sider.

The system I choose has succeeded in getting us out of the inevitable down turns time after time. The one you have chosen has failed us time after time. Hey who am I to tell you how to make your choices. I am satisfied by the simple fact that you may make your own choice.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Sep 6, 2011, at 9:24 PM

I hear they are going to start accepting food stamp debit cards at restaurants. Man I got get me one of those cards. Everybody ought to have one it just wouldn't be fair if they didn't.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Tue, Sep 6, 2011, at 9:17 PM

Yup WTF lovely how restricting personal freedom, and pushing God so harmoniously came together in one fell swoop. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Sep 6, 2011, at 9:12 PM

Has anybody noticed there is going to be a Republican debate on MSNBC? This will be interesting and I will actually watch this one.

I wonder how many questions will actually be answered at this one?

-- Posted by cheesehead on Tue, Sep 6, 2011, at 8:59 PM

news that hostage taker with the bomb must be some leftist mad at the government... lol

-- Posted by mrxray on Tue, Sep 6, 2011, at 7:51 PM

OKR ... and again. maybe you should reread... I NEVER stated that it was all Obama's fault but his tripling and quadrupling down on the same policies and bailouts and stimuli plans that have failed to jump start our economy.... even IF those types of policies would help get our economy growing UNLESS we address the spend spend spend of the Left and the RINO's and return to fiscal responsibility from top to bottom then we will NEVER actually fix the economy and those same old spend spend spend policies will be doomed to failure before they start. And so far, NO one but a few on the right, that are being bashed and vilified by the left and ignored by the RINOs, are actually willing to stand up and address the problems at the bottom of the economic problems.

As for Clinton, are you blindly buying the story that Clinton somehow had a surplus budget? LOL

-- Posted by mrxray on Tue, Sep 6, 2011, at 7:50 PM

OKR... let me ask you an question regarding my post about mental illness being caused by liberalism in Europe...... lol

Cant you take it for what it is... a joke?

However, since the majority of the nations in the EU and the extra three studied ARE mostly some type of socialist type set up then maybe there ARE valid points to my joking question.... maybe the same mentality that thinks the government can spend tons of billions and trillions of dollars to solve the worlds problems without harming the economy are the same type of mentalities that are most likely to have mental illnesses... lol

-- Posted by mrxray on Tue, Sep 6, 2011, at 7:46 PM

"Perry compares himself to undocumented immigrant super hero"


I bet Rick Perry is no match for Flastic Man.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Sep 6, 2011, at 5:32 PM

Marvel Comics Releases New Information Flastic Man

A Marvel Comics spokesperson revealed today that Flastic Man's Evil Nemesis, Bach Man and his side kick, Fox News, have vowed to continue their evil master plan to destroy America from the inside and scoffed at the idea that Flastic Man's superior powers of super-reason, super-knowledge, and good, public school education of a better era, will be enough to stop Bach Man's "Super-revisionist" power or his super-powers of "Innuendo" and "Slander."

Bach Man also pointed out that no body can withstand his side kick's power of "Mass Brain Washing."

Marvel did not comment on Flastic Man's mysterious sidekick, Typo Boy, who is rumored to posses the power of the "Super-Typo" -- an ability to confuse the reader with misspellings, grammatical error, and general rambling.

More information will be forthcoming as future events transpire.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Sep 6, 2011, at 5:18 PM

Wikileaks has released some information regarding the latest super hero, the mysterious Flastic Man. Word is that he is more human than most who precede him. He is often misunderstood, writes a lot, and has a proclivity for typos. A sneak peak at early captions in the first issue reveal him saying "wjy foesn't anyome evee ynderstand whst I am truing ro say?" ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Sep 6, 2011, at 11:15 AM

Labor Day & The Union Tax: How Unions Kill Jobs


What good is high pay and benefits in the unemployment line?

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Tue, Sep 6, 2011, at 6:06 AM

"Australian takes daughter hostage, claims to have bomb"




I live less than 2 miles from there!

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Sep 6, 2011, at 3:26 AM

****BREAKING NEWS!! ****

Marvel Comics Announces Creation of New Super-Hero, "Flastic Man!"

"Flastic Man" is Marvel Comic's exciting new choice for its new line of comic books going to press sometime this fall. At today's press conference, Marvel Comic Spokesperson, Jean Tipendale, was asked as what kind of super-hero powers Flastic Man is expected to posses and where the odd and mysterious new name for the super-hero came from. Tipendale stated that the new super-hero's powers are as yet unknown and that the origin of the name also remains a mystery.


-- Posted by news across on Tue, Sep 6, 2011, at 2:18 AM

I meant Plastic Man of course. Sorry for the typo.


-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Sep 6, 2011, at 12:47 AM

Flastic Man: http://www.comicvine.com/plastic-man/29-...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Sep 6, 2011, at 12:46 AM

Mr.X-ray as to your longer piece of the evening, it is merely a repeat of your same old story so I am not going into a lengthy rebuttal AGAIN.

Instead I'll just say it this way:

Foggy old Reagan pawned most of the jewels we possess to the world's pawn brokers. Clinton worked hard, and redeemed the pawn tickets. The little fool Bush ran right back to the pawn brokers, repawning every thing Reagan had, and more. Problem is he even lost the tickets! Now Obama can't find the lost tickets. Nobody has ever had to deal with a mess like he was left, and we blame it on him? You gotta be kidding.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Sep 6, 2011, at 12:07 AM

Mr. X-Ray you raised the question as follows, and I can't see why based on the link you provided. "Proof liberal, leftistism, marxism, big government socialism causes mental illness?" Frankly, I have not seen a stretch like that since the demise of Plastic Man comic books.

It was a report of documentation in Western Europe that mental illness (including senile dementia) is on the rise in that area. There was NO documentation, nor even mention of causative factors.

Where is your link to comparitive studies in non-leftist nations? Then you may have had at least some grounds to raise the question. Actually in non-leftist countries those in power don't give a **** about the mental health of the populace so such studies don't even exist. Right?

Weak Mr.X-Ray. LOL

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Sep 5, 2011, at 11:44 PM

"Jailed Native American activist Leonard Peltier wins rights prize"


-- Posted by news across on Mon, Sep 5, 2011, at 11:42 PM

I for one am perfectly happy with the Forums here at the Marshall Democrat News website, and I am thankful the MDN provides this privilege to those of us who enjoy both commenting and reading comments while we browse through the day's news.

Thanks MDN!!

Your the best!

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Sep 5, 2011, at 10:49 PM

Always money for bullets, never money for bed pans.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Mon, Sep 5, 2011, at 8:56 PM

On a side note... I wish we had the Message thread capability that would allow us to RESPOND to specific posts so that that specific conversation could be read in order and in one thread..... like on most message boards.

-- Posted by mrxray on Mon, Sep 5, 2011, at 8:23 PM

So the point is NOT that the right hates old people and disable people or workers, the point is that the economy can ONLY support a FINITE amount of "social justice" or entitlement type programs because they are an economic DRAIN with little or NO money returned into the economy due to waste, fraud, redtape and abuse. The left has NO concept of the bounds of an economy and that it is a FINITE resource... instead they bash the evil rich people and the big oil/Pharma companies and just expect them to fork up more and more money without them passing on the cost to the consumer (the left has no concept of economics period)

So maybe you should look at how our national budget grew so HUGE and wasteful and is no unable to provide the bare necessities.... instead of looking at the problem NOW in 2011 and ignoring how we got here and then blaming the Republicans.... and I am not saying it is ONLY the left that caused the problems, as always I acknowledge that the Bush's and many RINOs in recent decades gave into the pressure from the left and pandered to votes by creating their share of economic harmful policies and programs

-- Posted by mrxray on Mon, Sep 5, 2011, at 8:22 PM

so news.... you bash the right for demanding fiscal responsibility... at least the tea party portion of the right.... saying that to be fiscally responsible and making hard cuts in the budget are ONLY harming the poor and elderly and ONLY helping the rich white guys.

Instead of blaming the fiscally conservative people in their efforts to fix our economy maybe you should rethink or relook the direction you are taking about our economy. It is NOT specifically the entitlements and all the social justice fixes that are causing the problems and that is NEVER, not ONCE what the right is saying. The problem is that the LEFT and their "Big government can provide all things to all people (If you ignore the cost to the working tax payers and our economy)" social justice agenda that has caused our economy to fail. What was at the root of the housing debacle? NOT evil white guys, they just took advantage of the system and the rules and the game. THE underlying problem was that the left, in the form of groups like ACORN and others, were demanding and protesting and boycotting banks intimidating them to make loans to people in poor neighborhoods that could not afford them AND the government, at the same time, made rules that demanded that the banks create these loans for these financial unsound people or face reduced ratings from the Federal lending institutions. It was an attempt to FORCE local and national banks to lend money to unsound people because the left stated that all people had a "RIGHT" to own a home even if they were not financially sound... they forced banks to lower the 20% down requirement and many other things and enabled easier rules to make easier, more risky loans and the entire national and world economy CRASHED.... imagine that

-- Posted by mrxray on Mon, Sep 5, 2011, at 8:17 PM

Proof liberal, leftistism, marxism, big government socialism causes mental illness?


-- Posted by mrxray on Mon, Sep 5, 2011, at 8:07 PM

Oh sorry, apparently I left some words out of my first sentence in my previous comment lol lol lol..

I meant to say,

"Well there a couple of things that raising the taxes on the disabled and our elderly will do to our State -- and that is what that act by the neocon-teaparty in the State legislature is -- a tax increase/burden on the disabled and elderly"

I hope that is a little clearer.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Sep 5, 2011, at 5:31 PM

What the f......

Well there a couple of things that raising the taxes on the disabled and our elderly -- and that is what that in fact is -- a tax increase of the disabled and elderly.

The tax increase will have at least 3 immediate effects, 1.) it will decrease the disposable income of our disabled and our elderly and 2.) it cause great hardship on our elderly and disabled and 3.)it will significantly reduce consumption in our State.

The last part is the part you and other folks will feel - the secondary effect will be increased deflation -- contributing to existing deflationary pressures and increasing the rate of decent, and will mean less jobs and higher unemployment in our State.

It was another smooth move by the neocon-teaparty that wil further erode our economy.

How long will folks in Missouri keep betting against themselves and electing these dummies to the State Legislature?

Apparently the answer is -- till there are no jobs left and no economy to worry about anymore.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Sep 5, 2011, at 4:21 PM

"Missouri prepares to end tax credit for elderly and disabled"


What bugs me most is they want to use that money to entice "Chinese cargo planes" to KCI.

Well, I certainly hope they aren't "Chinese made" cargo planes flying over me.

As a taxpayer, I would like to

see our disabled and elderly receive a tax break rather than promoting a foreign cargo service that I suspect will be sub-standard and

horribly maintained.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Mon, Sep 5, 2011, at 7:32 AM

"The 10 Most Ridiculous Things People Believe"


OKR have a look at these, and after you have read these stats ask yourself if you think Americans will realize just what the folks they are electing and supporting (along with all their wars) have in mind for the American People.

They don't seem enough smarts to wake up anytime soon mate.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Sep 5, 2011, at 1:26 AM


If we were talking about rational people then I would say folks would wake up soon.

But we aren't.

We are talking about Americans.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Sep 5, 2011, at 1:17 AM

Well our tireless media has gone on past Libya now that there are fewer of our bombs exploding. Here is a fresh look at the hell on earth that is exploding neath this latest of rabbit holes we plunged into. "Most of the rebel military is now under the leadership of LIFG, a self described affiliate of Al Queda." That is just the beginning of the madness occuring there.

With no smugness, instead with sorrow, I have to ask once again, how many times must the left be correct in their predictions before they are afforded even half the credibility of the often wrong right? How many times must we scream WE TOLD YOU SO...AGAIN, before a majority listens, and says NO MORE to these mad adventures?

I am sick of this sickening madness that seems to have infected our country in particular, and the west in general. Some how it must stop.


-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Sep 5, 2011, at 1:05 AM

"Missouri prepares to end tax credit for elderly and disabled"


Ok...well if no one else will ask...

How many folks out there with disabilities or who are elderly thought the neocon-teaparty candidate they voted for meant only other folks when they said they wanted to cut social programs?

Personally, I believe the State and Federal Governments will have to cut all social programs before the American majority will figure out what that really means for them.

I strongly urge all lawmakers to follow the neocon-teaparty folks and lets get all those social programs cut out entirely and do so as soon as it is humanly possible.

While we are at it, let's also get rid of that pesky minimum wage.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Sep 4, 2011, at 11:42 PM

About 6 months ago I went to a concert here in Sydney.

I went to see hip-hop giant, Mos Def -- that is his name just in case you haven't heard of him mate -- Mos Def.

Yeah, I am a huge hip-hop fan.

In fact, I enjoy every form of music and poetry, though not all the performers or individual songs.

Anyway, I was, with out any doubt what-so-ever, the oldest guy at the concert. The only other guy there that was middle aged was some fellow who had obviously taken his teen son to a concert as a gift...perhaps a birthday gift -- anyway, he was there with his kid but he didn't really seem to care much for Mos Def's performance and besides that he looked to be about 40 or 45.

So I am pretty sure I was the oldest Mos Def fan there...and I was very excited to have the opportunity to see him perform live on stage.

I guess a lot of the other concert goers -- most appearing to be about 18 -- probably thought it unusual to see a middle aged guy at a hip-hop show...but there I was.

...and it was a great show!

I guess maybe in the course of life age is just a state of mind. I may be wrinkled, but I am not old.

Mos Def - "Umi Says"


-- Posted by news across on Sun, Sep 4, 2011, at 9:20 PM


-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Sep 4, 2011, at 7:08 PM

Thanks News. We are not really into pop music, but this is good...particularly Kendra.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Sep 4, 2011, at 7:02 PM

I don't think that merely being ineffectual automatically places you in the worst president category. I think being disasterously effective like Reagan, and little Bush has caused unrivaled, lasting devastation to our nation.

For instance, a successful mass murderer, is worse than an ineffectual physician who can not heal his patient because he will not insist on providing the patient, what he knows to be the best medicine. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Sep 4, 2011, at 6:37 PM


If anyone might be interested, I am posting links to 2 videos of 2 of Australia's fastest rising rock stars, Kimbra and Gotye (pronounced "Goy-yer")

Both these stars have recently skyrocketed in popularity in both the U.K. and Australia and are regarded like gold by the recording industry.


Gotye- "Somebody That I Used To Know' (feat. Kimbra)- official film clip (HD)"


Kimbra - "Good Intent' (Live at Sing Sing Studios)"


-- Posted by news across on Sun, Sep 4, 2011, at 6:21 PM

Actually, if we are voting on worst President in history of USA, George "Dubba" Bush would be my choice, followed by a close 2nd place, Ronald Reagan.

These 2 individuals probably have done more long-term damage to our Nation than did all the other "bad" presidents put together.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Sep 4, 2011, at 5:56 PM

By the way where did you get that quip? It sounds like something off of the ARRA News Service, self described as an out reach of the Arkansas Republican Assembly. Perhaps you are familiar with it? ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Sep 4, 2011, at 1:31 PM

rr3 most consider several others, not Carter, for worst president in history. You may wish to reconsider your statement. A tip, consider Buchanan, and do a little research in that direction.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Sep 4, 2011, at 12:46 PM


If you you consider age and martial status something in common, then ok. Other than that.......

-- Posted by What the f...... on Sun, Sep 4, 2011, at 9:04 AM

"Whoever prefers life to death, happiness to suffering, well-being to misery must defend without compromise private ownership in the means of production."---Ludwig von Mises

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sun, Sep 4, 2011, at 9:01 AM

Finally, I won't be the worst president in history! --Jimmy Carter

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sun, Sep 4, 2011, at 8:09 AM

Could that be 4 things in common?

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sun, Sep 4, 2011, at 7:52 AM

Wtf you told me a while back that I wasn't even close when I guessed that you graduated about 1980. You know give or take a year. I graduated 1980 Marshall High.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sun, Sep 4, 2011, at 7:52 AM

Hey wtf we have 3 things in common: male, married and soon to be 49 years old.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sun, Sep 4, 2011, at 7:15 AM

"Report: CIA worked closely with Gadhafi"



"Principles?? We don't need no stinking principles!!"

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Sep 4, 2011, at 2:21 AM

Frankly i blame all of us for the way things are! We don't have to take this,but we do! The American People forget and forgive, thinking there will be a different out come, without radical change and some disobedience! They laugh at us peon's! Man how i miss the 60's!!

-- Posted by Jo on Sun, Sep 4, 2011, at 2:05 AM


Saline County Missouri is one of the most beautiful places in the World.

I have even flown from the other side of the World just to be there.

I have been and lived in many places in the World, but no place has ever felt more like home than Saline County Missouri -- especially in the Fall.

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Sep 3, 2011, at 10:29 PM



-- Posted by news across on Sat, Sep 3, 2011, at 10:25 PM


You live in Australia? I had no idea..........

-- Posted by What the f...... on Sat, Sep 3, 2011, at 10:16 PM

Oh heck WTF, its not the first time we have played that game in this forum.

Me -- mid 50's, Sydney, New South Wales, Australia, very happily married to the most wonderful, loveliest woman that ever lived.

Hobbies = solo violinist, blues harmonica, chess, physics, quantum physics, cosmology, mathematics, bicycling, generally hanging out under the Southern Cross enjoying a good drink at one of Sydney's many outdoor pubs/cafes while watching the waves roll in on the South Pacific Ocean, my dogs, and last but not least, trying real hard to avoid Brown snakes and the Sydney Funnel Web spider.

Important recent events in my life: Birth of my Grandson Tony (Aug 24) -- first grandchild -- and my upcoming first trip into the Australian Outback -- a few of my buddies and me -- given how wild most of Australia is still, it promises to be an interesting experience.

How is that mate? lol...

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Sep 3, 2011, at 9:38 PM

I am curious to know a little more about my fellow posters. We don't have to devulge our identity but I'll start by saying that I am male, I'm married and soon to be 49 years old.

I live in Marshall proper.

Anyone else want to play?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Sat, Sep 3, 2011, at 7:37 PM

Oh and RR

You are absolutely correct on your assessment of the hypocrisy of Obama supporters.

To point a finger at Bush for doing evil things and then say nothing when Obama continues the same policies is at a best a contradiction of monstrous proportions.

If we want to succeed as a Nation, it would behoove us all to be honest and realistic about the Obama Administration and get that warmonger out of office as soon as possible.

We wanted change -- not the same policies with new lipstick.


-- Posted by news across on Sat, Sep 3, 2011, at 5:07 PM


I fully agree with you regarding Obama.

His policies are almost identical to those of Bush. His supporters can put all the lipstick they want on that pig but it doesn't change the fact that almost all Obama policies are similar or exactly like Bush's.


-- Posted by news across on Sat, Sep 3, 2011, at 4:54 PM

It is the Corporatists that are destroying our economy. The Corporatists are an uber party. Both Democrat, and Republican members of government are eligible to join. They do so in droves. It is probably because not only is there no initiation fee, but no membership fee. They are never asked for donations.

Instead the reverse is true. They are given huge chunks of cash upon agreeing to join the Corporatist Party. They are given regular stipends as long as they abide by the quasi-organization's by laws. Finally once they leave government the Party gives them cushy jobs that pay well, last for a life time, and require only limited effort on their part.

Who can resist the lure of the Corporatist Party? Sadly, very few.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Sep 3, 2011, at 2:07 PM

I didn't think the Democrats did anything to hurt the economy.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sat, Sep 3, 2011, at 12:20 PM


-- Posted by What the f...... on Sat, Sep 3, 2011, at 11:58 AM

See what I mean!!!!

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sat, Sep 3, 2011, at 11:42 AM


I do blame Obama for not instructing Eric Holder to indict most of the Bush admin for treason and war crimes.

Obama has carried more water for the republicans than anybody so what the hell are you complaining about?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Sat, Sep 3, 2011, at 10:16 AM

Boo hoo hoo!

-- Posted by What the f...... on Sat, Sep 3, 2011, at 9:57 AM

Wtf I always consider the source of comments. I doubt that concern for my credibility ranks very high on your priority list. Most of your comment to me are mean and condescending in nature which I know you will never admit. In other words you don't have to pretend you care for my benefit. OK

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sat, Sep 3, 2011, at 7:51 AM

All liberals think they are better than the average person because they are smarter. I mean they know the only reliable sources for information and news. They listen to lies and believe it as truth. They hear truth and tell you its a lie. They always play the race card by keeping it at the forefront of anything political. They always try to destroy their opponents character when they have none. Most of the news media packs their water for them. Folks Obama might of inherited a recession but he has put us in a depression with his failed policies. Nothing he has done has worked. The Democrats were in charge the first 2 years and did nothing but blame Republicans. Now Republicans have been in charge for what about 7 months and the Democrats are still blaming the Republicans. So if you want some credibility, man up, take charge and responsibility for your actions.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sat, Sep 3, 2011, at 7:40 AM

It's funny that you do not want to blame that one guy Obama for anything but yet you blamed Bush that one guy for everything.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sat, Sep 3, 2011, at 7:29 AM


Anyone who constantly parrots Rush cannot be taken seriously in my book.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Sat, Sep 3, 2011, at 6:58 AM

Oh and I for one do take RR seriously.

We may not agree on much, but we agree on Obamabush.

And let's not be too hasty. Some good ideas come from both the right and left, its all just a matter of sorting through them to find the policies that just might work.

However, I must say that I don't listen to anything Rush has to say about anything...the guy is a druggie and everything he says is highly suspect.

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Sep 3, 2011, at 12:03 AM

Oklahoma Reader

Yeah well mate I just can't see why we waste our time on expensive crazies when we have a surplus of crazies willing to do the work of Congress at a fraction of the cost in our many institutions of mental health.

It just makes good economic sense (lol).

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Sep 2, 2011, at 11:58 PM


How do you ever expect to be taken seriously?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, Sep 2, 2011, at 11:29 PM

Late comment. News I enjoyed your satirical "Mental" piece. ROTFLMAO.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Sep 2, 2011, at 11:13 PM

If Rush were as smart as he thinks he is, would he really wear horizontal short sleeve T-shirts over his mounds o fat?

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Fri, Sep 2, 2011, at 10:55 PM

"Right-wing commentator: Poor people voting is 'un-American'"

"Many conservatives appear to think badly of poor people, but Matthew Vadum of the Capital Research Center takes it a step further. According to the title of his latest article for American Thinker, he believes that 'registering the poor to vote is un-American.'"

""Registering them to vote is like handing out burglary tools to criminals,"

Matthew Vadum,

Capital Research Center


Everyday more and more of the real agenda of the neocon teaparty becomes painfully apparent -- class war on the poor!

How long will We the People tolerate these poor-hating neocon-teapartiers destroying our Nation and trampling our cherished, time-honored, traditional American values?

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Sep 2, 2011, at 8:58 PM


You can count on me for NOT voting for Obamabush.

Frankly, I think he is a war criminal and should be impeached, convicted, and removed from office post haste.

I don't know who I will be voting for and supporting but I can guarantee you it won't be Obamabush.

He conned me the first time -- my bad. There won't be a second time.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Sep 2, 2011, at 8:41 PM

"Everything's OK in Mayberry!!

Floyd the Barber

"Stocks usher in holiday weekend with ugly drop

Major indexes off 2-plus percent after report shows no net growth in jobs"


-- Posted by news across on Fri, Sep 2, 2011, at 8:37 PM

"Over the next six, seven months, you're gonna see ramped-up stories about social issues, as a means of distracting the Republican presidential field from jobs, stimulus spending, and higher taxes." -Rush

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Fri, Sep 2, 2011, at 8:36 PM

Obama lays out job-creation ideas


Are these more failed policies of the last 3 years? How many chances will this guy get to get it right?

August job numbers:

Expected 93,000 jobs created

Actual --0-- that not a typo my friends

They are fudging the numbers too unemployment is much higher then 9.1% this is not a recession folks this is a depression and folks are hurting. Where is your liberal media on this oh they are still carrying the water.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Fri, Sep 2, 2011, at 8:35 PM

Oh RR...Rush again? Come on mate, you know that dog just won't hunt...sort-to-speak.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Sep 2, 2011, at 8:29 PM

There is only one news and evidently you don't care about it.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Fri, Sep 2, 2011, at 8:23 PM

"Barack Obama single-handedly is the greatest destroyer of private sector jobs in modern American history." -Rush

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Fri, Sep 2, 2011, at 8:22 PM

Mr. Obamabush, we would like to ask you some questions...

"Pink- Dear Mr President - Live"


-- Posted by news across on Fri, Sep 2, 2011, at 5:33 PM

Neocon Teaparty Sours on Palin


-- Posted by news across on Fri, Sep 2, 2011, at 5:07 PM

DINO President Obamabush caves into the neocon teaparty again


-- Posted by news across on Fri, Sep 2, 2011, at 4:30 PM

"Chomsky: U.S. has 'extreme contempt for democracy'"


-- Posted by news across on Fri, Sep 2, 2011, at 4:10 PM

Oh the teaparty has a long and nasty trail of dead behind it.

The teaparty is composed of the extreme right wing of the Republican Party -- aka "neocons."

Yep the teaparty are the same folks who cheered on Dubba Bush, cheered on his wars, voted for him twice, and these wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are entirely their doing.

So if you want to see the trail of dead behind the neocon/teaparty, just count the dead soldiers that came back in body bags and the over 1 million innocent Iraqi citizens -- 55% of whom the Iraqi Government says were women and children -- murdered by American troops.

Oh there is a long, long line of dead behind the neocon teaparty and these same ultraconservatives hands are awash with innocent blood.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Sep 2, 2011, at 4:09 PM

Try this one:


-- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, Sep 2, 2011, at 12:57 PM

Sorry Nana,

Links not working.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, Sep 2, 2011, at 12:55 PM


I was forwarded this yesterday. Thought you might like it.


-- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, Sep 2, 2011, at 12:53 PM

News, and ND, whatever would I do without you!

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Sep 2, 2011, at 12:47 PM


Well how many kinds of truth are there RR? (lol)

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Sep 2, 2011, at 9:20 AM

Another major difference okr you failed to overlook is no trail of dead bodies associated with the Tea Party. Also funny how any kind of truth is terrorism.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Fri, Sep 2, 2011, at 5:59 AM


Exactly. They distract us with wedge issues and walk away with everything.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, Sep 2, 2011, at 5:46 AM

Excellent comment NanaDot.

You really hit the nail on the head with that one.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Sep 2, 2011, at 2:06 AM

rr3 I am a bit late responding to your Islam/Al Quaeda-Democrat/KKK jibe. Anyway, it seems a better analogy to Islam-Quaeda is the relationship between the Tea Party and the Republican Party. There is one major difference though. The Tea Party undoubtably terrorizes the rest of the Republican Party more than the do any other group.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Sep 1, 2011, at 10:40 PM

Yeah I did know what you meant News, and it made me chuckle. In addition it gave me an opportunity to jump...on my soap box, an opportunity that I am ever as eager for as the most avid pond side bull frog is to jump for may flies of a spring evening.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Sep 1, 2011, at 10:10 PM

Oklahoma Reader

Lol good to know somebody agrees with about something lol.

I should tell you though, I have been playing blues harmonica for 37 years now. I follow the style of James Cotten who was, like Howlin' Wolf, taught to play by Sonny Boy Williamson II also.

You could almost say Sonny is the patron Saint of all blues harpists lol.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Sep 1, 2011, at 10:03 PM

Hey News I was talking on the phone tonight to a very good long time friend of mine, Larry Hollis, about our exchange regarding blues harmonica players. Though you are probably the last person I know that would have any use for affirmation of your opinion he is with you on Sonny Boy (the younger) being the very best. Little Walter is next in line with him. He is a long time reviewer of jazz, and blues for Cadence magazine, and has written for Downbeat. Decent sax player too. He knows his stuff.




-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Sep 1, 2011, at 9:52 PM

Hey I was thinking about the free market concept and its relationship to elections.

Since it seems We the People are committed to electing crazies to government office, perhaps its time we simplify the process and cut out the middle man -- go directly to our mental hospitals to recruit candidates for government office.

There are several good reasons I believe we should consider and recognize these outstanding public institutions for the abundant, potential political candidates they have to offer society.

Recruiting and electing the sanity-challenged to public office not only reduces the population of mental patients from the rolls of our mental hospitals -- reducing insurance costs for everyone -- but it also takes a former patient who is making no significant, positive contribution to society and re-makes them into a respected law-maker with a good job, a fully sufficient annual income with good benefits, a person with lots of public supporters, and creates a revolutionary new type of role model for America's children.

In addition, mental patients often times are willing to do the work of Congress, the Senate, and the White House at a substantially reduced salary. That is important in these difficult economic times of spending deficits seemingly out of control!

In fact, they have one fellow in a mental hospital in Arizona right now that would make an ideal Republican Party Candidate to challenge Democrat Gabrielle Giffords' for the 8th House Congressional District in 2012 -- Jared Loughner!

Sure a lot of folks say Congressman Giffords is unbeatable just because some crazy with a handgun blasted her in the brain pan with a bullet, but I think the Republicans would be missing a golden opportunity if they passed this fellow up.

Heck he is so crazy he makes Bachmann look sane! and isn't that the kind of politician real Americans want making our Nation's important decisions in these troubling times? Or do we want to settle for 2nd best?

He has all the qualifications a Republican Candidate really needs to be a real hands-on, teaparty type Congressman -- a guy who can make the tough choices. First off, he knows Congressman Giffords personally and knowing your enemy is always a good idea in a political race. Secondly, he is a strong supporter of the right to bare arms, and no doubt he would get the important endorsement of the National Rifle Association. He also has a demonstrated track record of dealing with problems head-on. He is not the kind of guy to shirk his duty and he doesn't mind getting his hands dirty if that is what it takes to get the job done.

Yes if we want the crazies running our government we can do it and do it for far less than its costing us now. In addition, the debates would be a lot more fun for a lot of us to watch as the crazies try to out crazy each other -- with no limits. It just makes no sense to keep electing expensive, crazy candidates afraid to really get nuts because they worry about what a few loud-mouthed constituents back in their District might have to say about it. Mental patients often times don't even know what the word constituent means, much less what Congressional District they are in.

Its time we start putting folks into office who are not hindered by fear of constituencies, stick to their principles, and are truly dedicated to their ideals. Going half way with crazies like Michelle Bachmann or Rick Perry just won't do it. In 2012, let's all get out there and support new grassroots candidates like Loughner and show those business-as-usual crazies in Washington that We the People mean business.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Sep 1, 2011, at 9:25 PM

Oklahoma Reader

I was a child when they killed President Kennedy, I was in grade school back then. I will never forget that day as long as I live. Oh how all the mothers did weep. It still hurts to think about it.

Anyway, you knew what I meant smart guy!! lol lol lol lol lol lol....

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Sep 1, 2011, at 8:05 PM

You're welcome SC

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, Sep 1, 2011, at 7:47 PM

News I hope to God that you were referencing the first Bush. LOL Disclaimer: as a nearly life long liberal I have never thought of any "good old days". I have just seen it as a different set of problems for a different set of people under a different president. Kennedy I was strong on, but I was naive back then. I may have been right about him, they did kill him, which I consider validation of my opinion. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Sep 1, 2011, at 6:24 PM


Of course I was using an element of satire to express the frustration many Americans -- including me -- feel when we look and see that out of his over 500 campaign promises, Obamabush has only delivered...sort of...on maybe 24 or 25...and that is when we really stretch the word "kept" (1).

Worse yet, now we learn that "...Obama 'endorsed' nearly all Bush-era programs" and apparently right after he took office" (2).

He could have stood up to the teaparty...but he didn't. Maybe he is weak. Maybe he has been paid off. There are lots of maybes. However one thing is for sure, he caves in to the teaparty every chance he gets.

You are correct of course that many Americans are terrified of the possibility of one of the Republican crazies sitting in the Oval Office in 2013, however that does not mean we will automatically voting for Obamabush. I for one will definitely not be voting Republican or Democrat in the next election. We do have alternatives. I plan to exercise my options. I do not in anyway regard myself as being limited to the 2 major fascist parties. I prefer a party and candidates that support fresh, progressive approaches to our Nation's problems and who support traditional American values such as equality, civil liberties, democracy, and the American way.

(1) "A Brief Look at Candidate Obama's 2008 Campaign Promises"


(2) "CIA lawyer: Obama 'endorsed' nearly all Bush-era programs"


-- Posted by news across on Thu, Sep 1, 2011, at 6:24 PM


I cant say I've heard any Democrats talk about the good ol days when Bush was president. I think most Dems realize that Bush and his policies gave us a big portion of the deficit that those on the right pretend to care about or at least until they are calling the shots.

At least Obama has halfway fought for what he believes in or maybe he is just more conservative than many of us thought. I do think that given 2 wars, a recession, and the most radical Republicans the country has ever seen owning a majority in the house that no President whether it be a Democrat or not would look very productive under these circumstances.

I cant see many Dems or Independants staying home in 2012 when they are looking at a possibilty of a Rick Parry or Michelle Bachman president.

-- Posted by cheesehead on Thu, Sep 1, 2011, at 5:44 PM

"WikiLeaks cable: U.S. troops handcuffed, shot Iraqi children in raid"

"According to a diplomatic cable published by WikiLeaks, U.S. troops massacred an Iraqi family in the town of Ishaqi in 2006, handcuffing and then shooting 11 people in the head including a woman in her 70's and five children ages five and under."




When will the American War-blood lust end? When?

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Sep 1, 2011, at 5:13 PM

"New York Republican threatens to withhold hurricane relief from her own district"


Lol...yeah that will go over real big with the voters back home...lol lol lol.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Sep 1, 2011, at 4:42 PM

You know something has gone radically wrong with the Democrat Party when you hear even liberals reminiscing about "the good ol' days when Bush was President."

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Sep 1, 2011, at 4:23 PM

"CIA lawyer: Obama 'endorsed' nearly all Bush-era programs"


I for one sure will be glad to see Obamabush go in January 2013.

Its darn shame his real party, the Republican Party, won't do the right thing and impeach Obamabush for war crimes he has committed while in office.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Sep 1, 2011, at 4:12 PM


Ohhhhh...you mean the Dixiecrats...

They are all Republicans now and have been for about 30 to 40 years now.

You will find many of them seated with the teapartiers.

After all, they know which party represents their views...and so does the rest of the World.


-- Posted by news across on Thu, Sep 1, 2011, at 4:07 PM

Pop some for me, SC!

-- Posted by koeller77 on Thu, Sep 1, 2011, at 12:57 PM

Biden Compares Tea Party to Terrorists; Al-Qaeda Demands Apology

'Bad for Our Brand,' Madmen Claim


-- Posted by cheesehead on Thu, Sep 1, 2011, at 12:49 PM

S & P Downgrades Iowa's IQ

Straw Poll 'Alarms' Ratings Agency


-- Posted by cheesehead on Thu, Sep 1, 2011, at 12:46 PM

Could Al-Qaeda the terrorist arm of Islam be considered the same as the KKK was the terrorist arm of the Democratic Party?

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, Sep 1, 2011, at 12:04 PM

Summer politics forum is now in the archives. Welcome to September.

-- Posted by Eric Crump on Thu, Sep 1, 2011, at 6:59 AM

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