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Speak Out September 1 to October 1, 2011

Thursday, September 1, 2011

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Agreed Miss Marple,

We can debate the Constitution and Founding Fathers and back our discussion with endless facts, of which may we remind ourselves history has many viewpoints, pending which version you read, (I recently finished a book claiming Coco Chanel was highly involved with the Nazi regime, it is all in how one spins it). Again to the bottom line, many people in Marshall are angry over this misuse of their hard earned tax dollars, and it should be addressed in a forum other than the MDN website, for example, city hall.

mxray,

I think it is important for you to remember:

The Founding Fathers had an amazing idea, set up the Constitution so it can always be changed. They set it up so everyday people could work to govern themselves after they left the world, they had faith in our future, and the means to correct their mistakes if future generations felt they existed. They were geniuses, they knew that not one individual knew everything, but collectively the people could elect someone to represent them, and listen to other's thoughts/concerns/ideas, and put them before his or her own. I see a lot of self interest in Marshall City Hall right now.

-- Posted by mtownres on Fri, Sep 30, 2011, at 8:59 PM

I guess you had to send away for the buns, since they're out of season at Wal*Mart.

-- Posted by Slater on Fri, Sep 30, 2011, at 4:06 PM

Come out this Sunday, Oct. 2, to the United Way Community Soccer Game! We'll have hamburgers and Hispanic foods. I will also be making balloon animals for kids from 9am to 11am! It's at the Marshall High School field. Hope to see you all there!

-- Posted by Jessica Wise on Fri, Sep 30, 2011, at 3:21 PM

mrxray: I have no need to prove anything in my statement. I believe your remarks are just wrong. Why would I argue? Res ipsa loquitur.

-- Posted by Miss Marple on Fri, Sep 30, 2011, at 12:00 PM

mtoweners... I never stated that ALL people against the display of this motto were afraid of religion. I was directing my comments to the frequent posters on here who ANY time a religious concept or discussion comes up are ALWAYS extremely anti-religion, and are ALWAYS derisive of any person who has the audacity to believe in God and participate in a religion. And what it boils down to with those people are that they are either so scared of religion that they cannot stand to see or hear about it because it scares them OR they know that God might be real but they dont want to believe in it and so every time they hear about God or Religion they feel guilty. LOL

I realize that there are some Christian or people of other faiths that might think the motto is good but that it should not be displayed. I personally dont care one way or the other and I dont care if they paid 1000 bucks to get the sign there. In the great scheme of life, this sign and the motto on the building are not really important. AND if you are weak enough in your belief or specific religion to the point where reading a sign somehow makes you feel uncomfortable or intimidated, then your faith is exactly that.... weak.

-- Posted by mrxray on Fri, Sep 30, 2011, at 11:59 AM

mtowners... you make my point for me... the founders wanted to prevent the federal government from picking and choosing.... it in NO WAY wanted to prevent people of religion from participating in government, nor to prevent religious symbols or ideals from being utilized in government. MANY, probably most, of the founders stated many times that it for the Great Experiement of the New type of Citizen ruled government to succeed it would take men of High moral character and religious values. Specifically stating that the leaders of this new nation would have to have religious values to counter against the temptations that the power they would have as leaders of this nation.... as you can see our nation is failing in that today. Look at all the Weiners that have been in our state and federal governments. Look at how our policy is created by politicians who are accepting campaign donation bribes or promises of "high dollar advisory jobs" in return for policies that favor their business or interest. Look at the tax cheats and those who try to sway tax payer dollars toward their spouses businesses, for example.

The point is, again, like it or not by the minority of people, our Nation's motto IS "In GOD we trust" It is not a specific mention of a specific God. I guess the appropriate thing for you to do is to bust your behinds and work to have the motto changed. Then if you are successful then the new motto could be displayed.

-- Posted by mrxray on Fri, Sep 30, 2011, at 11:53 AM

Miss Marples... your sad statement stating to me that "I am wrong" is funny.... just because you state that I am wrong without backing up ANY statement with fact or discussion proves no point.... lol

-- Posted by mrxray on Fri, Sep 30, 2011, at 11:46 AM

In case someone wants to see how the peaceful protesters at Wall st are being treated I have posted a link showing videos of how a couple of women are pinned up and maced by a NY police officer Anthony Bologna. Not only that but he tries to mace the person shooting the footage.

http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/146112/a...

-- Posted by cheesehead on Fri, Sep 30, 2011, at 8:32 AM

news across,

Thank You, sometimes things just happen so fast like today some what a shock and I was making sure lady and kids was ok and she was just as shocked as I was

Most everyone knows what time Schools end, most everyone knows where the Schools are located.

The Teachers, the Cross Walk people all have a job to do, most important factor is safety of our Children in our community, and the Faculty that does a GREAT JOB !! keeping them safe.

Seems each day another person pops up out of the ground like they never seen daylight,

If that was the lady's child in the cross walk another individual did what she did..... she would be flying off the handle

Everyone please keep in mind of the Schools, our Children and the Faculty .... If you are in a hurry please feel free drive fast by Police Station or a Officer so someone at that point can catch a tag...

-- Posted by momandgramma on Thu, Sep 29, 2011, at 11:00 PM

just wanted to know, as an outsider, why so many posts are up for a very short time and then deleted. i have noticed that when someone makes a comment about you local law agencies or the paper itself the posts are immediately deleted........does anyone know why this is? i'm not trying to stir up a hornets nest but it is something i have wondered about.

-- Posted by crymeariver on Thu, Sep 29, 2011, at 9:27 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
We don't allow comments on crime-related stories.

mtownres: Well said!

mrxray: You're just wrong.

-- Posted by Miss Marple on Thu, Sep 29, 2011, at 8:41 PM

momandgramma

Wow!!!

Its shocking the way some folks think our laws don't apply to them.

I bet what that driver did is a crime punishable by at least a big fine.

Thanks for posting that comment and brining it to the attention of the public.

I hope more folks will remain alert and report any of these types of infractions by drivers.

Its a darn shame someone did not get that drivers tag number.

But maybe next time someone will get that tag number.

Good on ya momandgramma!!

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Sep 29, 2011, at 6:31 PM

Who Needs Driving 101?

Miami Street

School Cross Walk

The Nice Lady that holds stop sign

Traffic lined up and down Miami Street,

Children and buses allowed go first....everyone is waiting....(except one) lol

Nice lady steps in cross walk (traffic zone) holding stop sign, walking School children across, doing exactly what she is paid to do ( might I add she is always very friendly and smiling )

Red Volkswagen driver swerves slightly right wearing blinders blows right past her I shake my head, nice lady shakes head ....go figure some people has no clue

DO we need safety reminders? "Really" ?

Hope they can read this in paper * smiles *

-- Posted by momandgramma on Thu, Sep 29, 2011, at 3:36 PM

mrxray,

I believe your response was rather filled with accusations. Yes, Marshall elected a mayor whom happens to be a minister. He was elected with the intention that he would carry out the best interests of Marshall's citizens, not his own beliefs in God and spend their tax dollars in doing so. Many religious leaders have been in office throughout history and voted in favor of the people, not their religious beliefs. Google Robert Drinan, he sure made the separation of church and state clear meanwhile angering the church.

Your second point: that everyone against the Mayor is afraid of religion is far from the truth. I see others posting on here state that they are Christian, yet believe this should not have been done, and they would prefer that their tax dollars were spent on more important issues. As for myself, I embrace religion. For example: I had dinner tonight with friends for Rosh Hashanah (Jewish New Year), earlier this year celebrated the Holi Festival with my Hindu friends, and went to church numerous times with deeply religious Christians. Make sure you know your audience before accusing.

You are absolutely right when you say that the phrase "separation of church and state" is not in the constitution. But in the first amendment there is a little blip called the Establishment Clause. This prohibits federal, state and local government from establishing preference of one religion over another. By placing that sign in city hall Mayor Gooden has placed preference on one religion over the other for Marshall. How, you are probably asking? Please revisit above where I name other religions beside Christianity. By placing "In God we trust" in city hall Mayor Gooden clearly and simply discriminates against a number of religions: first Hindus whom believe in many Gods. I'm sure they would feel that he is oppressing their religion by recognizing his God and not all of theirs. How about Buddhists? Many of them strongly believe in a God but not necessarily Mayor Gooden's God. You actually answered this yourself in your post. Also keep in mind that these religions have far more followers than Christianity ten fold. There are many other examples we could bring up, but I would have to take it to the religion forum :).

Have you heard of the Treaty of Tripoli? A document ratified in 1797, stating that the United States was not founded on Christian values, also signed by many of the same men whom helped write the Constitution. Although scholars from all over debate it's true interpretation.

I think what this really boils down to is the fact that Mayor Gooden used public money to fund a religious belief. Yes it would probably be more acceptable if his church funded the sign or he paid for it himself, but still right? I have a feeling that the nearly $1000 spent on this sign could have been used better, or diverted to another fund to be used where needed. I believe he should repay the city, and use the money on necessary items. This argument could go around and around but from what I have heard/know from other citizens: a majority of Marshallites are upset.

-- Posted by mtownres on Wed, Sep 28, 2011, at 8:52 PM

It isn't just Walmart where prices are higher. It's everywhere:

http://www.cnbc.com/id/43498072

-- Posted by Miss Marple on Wed, Sep 28, 2011, at 8:49 PM

Good explanation, TerryM.

whydoesdemocartban has been banned (as have a number of other aliases posting similar comments recently).

-- Posted by Eric Crump on Wed, Sep 28, 2011, at 4:27 PM

To whydoesdemocartban - you don't need to post the exact same comment multiple times. All that does is aggravate the rest of us. Also, when you post in all caps, you are SHOUTING at us. Please don't shout - we can read calmly without the shouting.

Why does the Democrat (not democart) ban comments on crime stories? Eric has explained this many times. Look back through the posts to read the explanation in his words, if you wish. Briefly its to maintain sanity and order, and to allow the accused an impartial jury of his/her peers, should it come to a jury trial, among other things.

Why was the accused not suspended? The Democrat does not control suspensions - direct that question to the accused's supervisors. When you get their response that they refuse to do so, THEN come to the Democrat with that response. That's what will rile the good citizens of Saline County to take action.

Just my not-so-humble opinion.

-- Posted by TerryM on Wed, Sep 28, 2011, at 3:57 PM

"Smoking cheetah" I don't actually don't drive to slater and get gas that was pure sarcasm. I forgot about Gibson's. I was taking the more recent business' such as North IGA and Jim's. Let me know if any more come to mind.

-- Posted by tigger2118 on Wed, Sep 28, 2011, at 12:17 PM

zeke: If it's on all our money, then why is it necessary to repeat it and repeat it everywhere else, for cryin' out loud? You want affirmation of Christian belief? Pull out a dollar bill and go for it. This was a lot of money, foolishly wasted and NOT approved beforehand by the council. Not matter how you slice up this story, it's just plain baloney.

-- Posted by Miss Marple on Wed, Sep 28, 2011, at 12:17 PM

The fact that there is only one other full service grocer in town other than Wal-Mart, is that solely Wal-Mart's fault? When I moved here about 30 years ago there were about 6 or 7. Most of those closed before Wal-Mart began selling groceries.

Shopping trends have changed over the last few decades. For the old timers who have lived here 50+ years, remember at one time almost every neighborhood has a small grocery store, but those all died with the advent of the "supermarket." I grew up in a large city. I watched farmland and wooded areas get turned into malls and shopping plazas. Many of those shopping centers have since been torn down and been turned into something different, including a wooded park.

Small businesses open and close all of the time. It is the risk of starting a business. When a local business closes here it is more noticeable because we have fewer to begin with. In big cities like St. Louis or Kansas City, small businesses open and close with great regularity, but few notice because there are so many more to begin with.

-- Posted by inthemiddle on Wed, Sep 28, 2011, at 12:01 PM

Zeke,

Regarding the motto on our currency. It's a ridiculous arguement because we have no choice and that is the whole point!

-- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Sep 28, 2011, at 10:30 AM

Zeke,

I had the same mindset as you do until someone told me that it wasn't so much what it said as it was that city money paid for the sign. That does make sense to me. If the mayor paid for it out of his own pocket, they would probably still be unhappy but not as negative as they are now. As a Christian I was thrilled that it was there. But as a taxpayer, I would rather see money going to improve our city. Trusting in God (in my opinion) does help but not spending money on signs.

-- Posted by Bambi on Wed, Sep 28, 2011, at 10:03 AM

I agree Scarpetta with Wal-Mart we see both a good and bad effect but I think most people are seeing the price problem on the grocery side and it is hitting their pocket's very hard. We do have one full service grocer in town, I repeat one. We have little choice and no competition so Wal-Mart control's the food price structure in Marshall. In last 10-15 year's we have gone from 4-5 full service grocer's down to 1. When your the 1 it make's it hard so you do what you can and Wal-Mart will do what they can, set the food price's in Marshall. Wal-Mart alway's undercut's till all competition leave's then, well, you see what I mean. Good Luck Grocery buyer's of Marshall, we're all paying thru the nose...

-- Posted by Marshall Man on Wed, Sep 28, 2011, at 10:02 AM

Yes, Walmart has a negative and a positive impact on a community. They donate money and goods to charity, schools and other local organizations...but so do local business owners. How does Walmart keep their prices so low in town, well you see they send their minions into local stores to check prices. It isn't hard to undercut someone when you operate like that. Yes, I know, business is business.

Often times big stores like Walmart get special pricing because they buy in large quantities. I mean if Walmart buys a semi load of pencils for $0.01 cent each and me local business owner buys 1 case for $0.10 cents each...yea my cost is higher there for I must charge more. It isn't always the local business owners fault they don't have millions to spend on inventory.

Now that same pencil I sell for $0.25 cents each and Walmart sells for guess what...because they price checked me...$0.24...now who exactly is ripping you off or being excessive in their mark up?? It isn't the local business owner. Besides if that local business owner marked that pencil up to $0.50 cents Walmart is ALWAYS gonna be cheaper so at $0.49 cents are you really getting a "deal"?? No, my extra penny will go to the local business.

-- Posted by Scarpetta on Wed, Sep 28, 2011, at 9:10 AM

funny how all of the coins in my change drawer say "in god we trust" on them, as do the $1 and $5 notes in my money clip (sorry - nothing bigger) - yet no one on this forum says anything about NOT accepting the currecny of the land because of some imagined forcing of religious beliefs on society.

just sayin'

zeke

-- Posted by zeke on Wed, Sep 28, 2011, at 8:37 AM

Thank you!!

-- Posted by Scarpetta on Wed, Sep 28, 2011, at 8:22 AM

Scarpetta:

Mike Morgan at city hall

886-2225

-- Posted by Interested Too on Wed, Sep 28, 2011, at 8:19 AM

Question: let's say on my way to drop my children off at school...there is a particular intersection that causes myself and others a problem. Let's say it is because there is a tree with either a bush or junk weeds growing from it, combined with the rising sun...this intersection is difficult to pass through safely. Clearly I can't request the sun rise in a different location...so maybe the city or property owner could clean up the area? Who would I contact? I mean if it is a danger can the city claim domain and clean it up? I honestly don't think the tree is the issue...but rather the massive growth coming from it...

-- Posted by Scarpetta on Wed, Sep 28, 2011, at 8:06 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
You can contact City Administrator Connie Latimer at 660-886-2225.

Because it's never enough Xray, Churches aren't enough so we must inject into govt. as well.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Sep 28, 2011, at 7:39 AM

BECAUSE Marshall WILLINGLY elected the Mayor in the election, who happens to also be a preacher, how in the world does that constitute a blurring of the church and state separation issue...

IT is sad that most of you are so scared of religion that you are unable to accept ANY religious symbolism at all... On this same note, those of you that are scared of anything remotely religious, in YOUR fear you are willing to buy into the progressive propaganda started by Communists in the early 1900s where they attempted to eradicate any concept of religion due to their belief that religion was the one thing that communism could not overcome.

The separation of church/state was NEVER set up to say that absolutely no religion nor religious symbolism could never be present at a government building nor during any governmental business action. The ONLY thing that this was to do was to prevent the state from picking and choosing one religion over another. In fact, most government buildings were utilized by the citizens as CHURCHES, clear up into the late 1800s and early 1900s. In fact, individual states were allowed to pick a specific religion well into the late 1800s if not into the early 1900s. IF the founders thought that there could never ever be intermingling of church and state then they would have immediately banned ANY and ALL church related activities in the government buildings...

AND the wording of this aspect of our constitution/amendments would have reflected specific language forbidding any and all religion during the business of the government or inside a government building or on its grounds.....

IN FACT: The clause, "Separation of church and state" NEVER appears in the Constitution. Even the Jefferson letters that coined the term "Wall of separation" are not actually meant to mean that absolutely no religion or religious symbolism could never be seen within the bounds of governmental business.... ONLY that the government could not pick a specific religion to favor, nor could the government attempt to define the roles or scopes or practices of religion.

-- Posted by mrxray on Wed, Sep 28, 2011, at 2:31 AM

Has Wal-Mart "devastated" the local economy? I'm not sure I see that. Look at how many new businesses have opened in the area of Wal-Mart. Yes, the Plaza is in ruins but the equivalent of almost all of those businesses has opened, again in the area of Wal-Mart. Is that the fault of Wal-Mart, or mismanagement by the owners of the Plaza?

Many of the businesses I see thatare "devastated" have met their demise due to changing trends (remember video stores?) One of the problems I have seen over the years in Marshall has been a tendency to duplicate business - ex just how many pizza places, Chinese restaurants, or Auto parts stores do we need?

You may not like Wal-Mart. I know I don't. I try to shop at other stores whenever possible. However, Wal-Mart offers goods that aren't provided by other stores in this town so in some ways it actually keeps consumers in town. And yes, most of their profits go to Bentonville, but they do pay state and local taxes so they do contribute to our economy.

-- Posted by inthemiddle on Tue, Sep 27, 2011, at 10:03 PM

You guys have completely missed my point on impact the "super" wal-mart has had on the local economy. It wasn't prices. (surprise surprise)

-- Posted by tigger2118 on Tue, Sep 27, 2011, at 7:32 PM

Eric:

When you report a breakin in the country could you be a little more specific on the area that is effected? Not the exact location but the general area like YY and 200th rd. It would be nice for us living in the country to know if these breakins are happining in our local.

Thanks

-- Posted by sheepdip on Tue, Sep 27, 2011, at 7:03 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Good idea. Will do.

Thanks for not sugar coating this!

-- Posted by Interested Too on Tue, Sep 27, 2011, at 1:37 PM

tigger,

Youre right and has anybody noticed that our local wal mart is raising there prices above and beyond what the wal-mart in the cities and local areas are due to the lack of competition. I think more people need to try to support local businesses when possible.

-- Posted by cheesehead on Mon, Sep 26, 2011, at 7:39 PM

"keoller" I was being very sarcastic, but I'm glad you understood where I was going with it. If people quit shopping local these local business' will disappear. I am just trying to point out that the same people complaining about gas prices are the same people who drive by all the empty stores in town on their way to Wal-mart. I for one have never stepped foot in that place and don't intend to, it's devastated the local community and it's sad that most people don't understand the impact it's had on local stores.

-- Posted by tigger2118 on Mon, Sep 26, 2011, at 7:24 PM

Just a reminder: Comments are not allowed on crime-related stories.

-- Posted by Eric Crump on Mon, Sep 26, 2011, at 6:02 PM

If more people walked in town we would spend less on fuel. Encourage this by pushing for a system of sidewalks in the city of Marshall.

-- Posted by carpetbagger on Mon, Sep 26, 2011, at 3:27 PM

Quite.observer, please also remember that gas seems to go UP every time the IRS DROPS the standard mileage rate.

-- Posted by TerryM on Mon, Sep 26, 2011, at 2:46 PM

I just thought I would point out that the Internal Revenue Service raised the federal mileage rate to 55.5 cents effective July 1. Each time they have done that gas prices seem to drop. Maybe we should lobby them to raise it mid-year every year.

-- Posted by quiet.observer on Mon, Sep 26, 2011, at 2:17 PM

Thank You Eric

-- Posted by momandgramma on Mon, Sep 26, 2011, at 11:41 AM

Eric,

I do not envy your tasks at hand. Neither of those issues will have unbridled support in your favor. Stating the facts is difficult for some & with both issues relating to government (Need I say more?).

Mr. X Ray,

Right on the nose! Diagnosis =$$$$$$/Jobs Insurance, Medicaid & Government pays better than addicts.

-- Posted by SalineVoter on Mon, Sep 26, 2011, at 10:54 AM

There will be an update on Brad O'Neal's case Oct. 6 after his next court appearance. We are in the process of contacting county officials about any disciplinary action taken, and if possible, we'll publish more information, but disciplinary action is a personnel matter and government officials rarely comment on it.

The case is a misdemeanor criminal matter. I don't foresee allowing any comments on our website about the case.

We're working on an update to the motto controversy, too.

-- Posted by Eric Crump on Mon, Sep 26, 2011, at 9:12 AM

@tigger2118 -

I believe Miss Marple was making the point that the wear & tear on your car of driving to Slater only to purchase gasoline (with no other reason), means that whatever savings you have in gasoline price (which is not going to be more than 50 cents), is lost to the wear and tear of the car. Now, if you're going to Slater for another reason, by all means, make sure to fill up while you're there!

The IRS comes into in that the current reimbursement rate for mileage is 51 cents, a rate that is calculated to include the wear & tear on the car (oil changes, wear on the tires, etc.)

-- Posted by koeller77 on Mon, Sep 26, 2011, at 8:31 AM

paid 2.999 in Columbia yesterday.

-- Posted by Gal66 on Mon, Sep 26, 2011, at 7:15 AM

Take a short walk with some of our Marines in Afghanistan. See what they see every day.

http://www.globalpost.com/photo-gallerie...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Sep 25, 2011, at 11:54 PM

I paid $2.92 in St. Louis today--Wow, the CITY has cheaper gas than Marshall. Well, so does every other town around us.

-- Posted by Pass it On on Sun, Sep 25, 2011, at 9:39 PM

Haven't seen too many fat Chinese workers. However, the people in charge of the workers are doing pretty well.

-- Posted by Interested Too on Sun, Sep 25, 2011, at 8:46 PM

tigger2118

I am sure China appreciates your contribution to their local community.

Wouldn't it be great if we could keep that money in Marshall instead? Wouldn't it be even better if we could get back the jobs that produced those Chinese products you get at Walmart? You know...make those things in America the way we used to do. Wouldn't that be nice? Anyway, I am sure there are some fat Chinese workers that really appreciate your loyalty to Walmart.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Sep 25, 2011, at 4:46 PM

I do shop local though "miss marple" I buy everything from wal-mart, so I do help the local economy when I can.

-- Posted by tigger2118 on Sun, Sep 25, 2011, at 1:59 PM

Miss Marple, I go there with the sole purpose to buy gas, it's cheaper I don't know how the IRS or any of that other stuff got involved but I just save money when I can.

-- Posted by tigger2118 on Sun, Sep 25, 2011, at 1:53 PM

What time does the foosball begin at slater?

-- Posted by Bulky on Sun, Sep 25, 2011, at 12:22 PM

Miss Marple

The trip would be worth it if they buy lottery tickets while there. That must make fiscal sense, as so many people are doing it. That many people can't be wrong.

-- Posted by Interested Too on Sun, Sep 25, 2011, at 9:47 AM

tigger2118 and others: Driving to a town that's a round trip of 25 miles actually costs you around $12.50 (the current IRS rate per mile is around 51 cents, and includes the ENTIRE cost of driving - tires, oil changes, car payment, insurance, as well as gas). You have to save a bunch of money on the per gallon cost of gas to justify that lunacy. If you are going to Slater anyway, buy your gas there. But if you are driving there solely to "save" money on gas, you're throwing good money after bad. And that's not even taking into account the time you're wasting on the trip.

-- Posted by Miss Marple on Sat, Sep 24, 2011, at 10:11 PM

Here is what I learned on a couple of sites , including the Attorney Generals' page, relating to Missouri's laws on price gouging: 1)It is hard to prove and 2) it is apparently only illegal during emergency situatations.

-- Posted by inthemiddle on Sat, Sep 24, 2011, at 6:48 PM

newsacross,

Which fellow are you referring to?

-- Posted by Jessa on Sat, Sep 24, 2011, at 6:09 PM

I'm with you "kenjon" I've been driving to Slater to fill up for over 2 months! Forget these thieves! I'm taking my business where the gas is cheaper!!

-- Posted by tigger2118 on Sat, Sep 24, 2011, at 4:21 PM

speaking of gas prices marshall is always 10 to 20 cents a gal.higher than other towns thats why I do not buy gas in marshall I thought there was a law against price gouging but I guess marshall is exempt they are thieves.

-- Posted by kenjen on Sat, Sep 24, 2011, at 3:40 PM

Po Folks in the Country

We were skinny little kids, our ribs stuck out.

On wash days Momma would holler, and shout,

"Line up here so I can get it all done"

We would peel our shirts, and stand in the sun.

She'd pull wet clothes from the old wash tub,

up, and down on our ribs she would rub.

She wasn't hard, and she wasn't mean,

just gettin the clothes, and skinny kids clean.

She had too much to do for one thing at a time,

it cleaned the clothes, and removed our grime.

;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Sep 24, 2011, at 11:35 AM

Jessa

I have a question.

Exactly what has this fellow been convicted of and when was he convicted?

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Sep 24, 2011, at 6:25 AM

I totally agree !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

-- Posted by fresh air on Fri, Sep 23, 2011, at 10:04 PM

Gas is $3.09 everywhere in Columbia. Local people are scratching to get buy, with energy costs a big part of it but our local gas merchants couldn't care less. A clear case of collusion by a bunch of price-fixing thieves.

-- Posted by outsider on Fri, Sep 23, 2011, at 7:13 PM

Marshall needs a plan to improve pedestrian transportation. We need a plan for a system of sidewalks that would link all of our schools, downtown, Indian Foothills Park, the Missouri Valley Campus, and the businesses on the west side of town. This would increase the safety of our children, increase our sense of community, increase property values, and promote a healthier lifestyle for our citizens. Has the city ever looked into the feasibility of such a system? Have they attempted to acquire Transportation Enhancement funding for such a project?

-- Posted by carpetbagger on Fri, Sep 23, 2011, at 1:52 PM

mtownres,

Good luck with those questions....

Seems all of those excellent questions plus more and no good results in answering any of these

Far to much side stepping going on, so many issues that just happens without any concerns then after the fact after all dirty deeds done MDN steps in with a small write up ( why not put something in paper let Citizens voice concern then the City Council and Mayor do what the hell they want....what afraid bigger egg on face? )

My biggest concern now is on this deputy and his uncontrollable anger issues.

Why is it not addressed is he really graduating soon become a educator in our school system??

I really am concerned ....

But I'm sure it will not matter, I know maybe he should have followed the code of conduct like with getting out of tickets when failure stop at stop sign and causing a wreck just be honest and carry insurance that get you a FREE PASS here in Saline County.

-- Posted by momandgramma on Fri, Sep 23, 2011, at 9:29 AM

Eric, thank you for your response about the paving of College Street. Fixing the sewer lines first certainly make sense. Does that mean that repaving is scheduled to be done after the lines are fixed, or is that a project that remains on the list of things to be done? Just wondering - I think about it every morning as I take College Street to work. :-)

-- Posted by outsidelookin'in on Fri, Sep 23, 2011, at 7:10 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
As I understand it, College Street is a high priority once the sewer project is done.

I haven't been reading the news a lot lately but isn't it a bit concerning that Marshall has citizens concerned over the separation of church and state? Who paid for this sign above the door in city hall? Why hasn't anyone looked into that? If the city paid for it does that blur the lines of the separation of church and state; especially when our mayor is a minister?

Also what is going in with the deputy who alledgedly assaulted someone? Is he still working? What steps are being taken in this investigation? I feel like the MDN only put a small blurp out about it and nothing since. Is this more of an issue than that?

-- Posted by mtownres on Thu, Sep 22, 2011, at 9:04 PM

Hey: Slater ,Hope everything going your way my friend! Hope your eyes are better.I remember you were having trouble.Good to say hey to ya. Good Luck!

-- Posted by Jo on Thu, Sep 22, 2011, at 5:18 PM

Bob Graham,

Thank you for giving me the heads-up about Overdrive and Kindle.

I have been keeping an eye on the costs for a little over a year now. Right now, the costs are still a little bit high for our library's budget. The Kindle issue was another obstacle. We also have to take in consideration the increased demand on our limited number of computers.

I am hopeful that sometime in the not-too-distant future, the Marshall Public Library will be able to offer this service.

-- Posted by Amy Crump on Thu, Sep 22, 2011, at 4:01 PM

The thought occurs to me if we are to have religion related statements on public government buildings, and grounds, that it ought to go both ways.

Maybe it's time that all the churches put tablets on their grounds displaying the Declaration of Independence, and the Constitution with the first ten amendments. Of course it goes with out saying that there should be plaques, and or engravings at the entrance to churches stating E Pluribus Unum. That old motto placed there obviously wouldn't offend anyone. We all believe it right? It is so common place, even pervasive, that its meaning transcends the origin right? Obviously only fools, miscreants, and crazies would be offended.

I am sure that some pastor somewhere will jump right out, and do it with out further thought, or discussion. Can't wait.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Sep 22, 2011, at 12:59 PM

You think that has some sort of significance like Panda's in the zoo getting restless before earthquakes Momaster? ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Sep 22, 2011, at 12:36 PM

Dead bobcat on 65 south about at the quarry this morning. Think its the first time I have ever seen one. Little further down the road there was a loose long horn steer! The animals must have heard about the satellite that's crashing into earth!

-- Posted by momaster on Thu, Sep 22, 2011, at 11:24 AM

Amen to that, Smart Dog!

-- Posted by Slater on Thu, Sep 22, 2011, at 8:48 AM

Hey, MDN.

Nice article on Beno Messer and the Liberty Statue.

That guy is something special. I have worked in and around manufacturing most of my life in three different states and I can say with some certainty that there is only one Beno.

What an outstanding craftsman, and a fine example of how hard work and dedication to something you love yeilds success.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Thu, Sep 22, 2011, at 7:50 AM

Here is a thought for the "addiction is a disease" crowd. Every time the drug companies want to push another drug down our throats they utilize a propaganda and bribery plan where they "convince" enough "doctors" to proclaim something a "new disease" THEN they can charge insurance companies and medicare/medicaid because as long as the "disease" is listed by the medical association or psychiatrists association as a disease then they can obtain premium dollars for their drugs.

Am I saying that people cannot be treated for their addiction? NOPE I agree with the person who stated that addiction begins with the first conscious choice to take drugs. Making the choice to use drugs and continue to use drugs until you are addicted is no different than making a choice to have poorly or totally unprotected sex and ending up pregnant or getting someone else pregnant.

-- Posted by mrxray on Thu, Sep 22, 2011, at 5:06 AM

Hi ya, Jo! How you been? :)

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, Sep 21, 2011, at 10:50 PM

WTF - Sic the ACLU on the mayor.

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, Sep 21, 2011, at 10:49 PM

i'm with what the f----,can't the People protest this with Rallies? That is the only way the Government pays any attention too the People! Or just sit there and let it happen! Man ,my faith in People has gone from me!!

-- Posted by Jo on Wed, Sep 21, 2011, at 10:12 PM

This is pretty interesting.....

http://www.marshallnews.com/story/176463...

-- Posted by tigger2118 on Wed, Sep 21, 2011, at 8:42 PM

Ok,

I sent this letter to the mayor 4 times before I got a response.

"Dear Mr. Mayor,

As I sit firmly in the buckle of the bible belt I am acutely aware that this letter will find itself in the minority opinion.

Your unilateral decision to place "IN GOD WE TRUST" on the entrance to the council chambers is, in my opinion, an abuse of your office. I am particularly bothered by the way it came about. Letters from law firms that encouraged this, or perhaps even dared you to do it.

I would like to see a copy of that letter.

I believe that you are also a Pastor, is that correct? Why can we not keep religion in the churches? It seems to me as if you may be having a hard time separating your duties as mayor, who is a representative of everyone and a Pastor who apparently feels he speaks for everyone. I can assure you sir, that is not the case.

I am also particularly bothered that you put the city council in the no win situation of having to go along with you or look very bad had they shown any opposition. But then again they really didn't have that opportunity, did they?

I have spoken via e-mail with my council representatives and I feel I am not mis-stating my facts. If I am wrong please correct me.

As a citizen, you have the right to worship however you see fit but as mayor you do not posses the right to inject your religious beliefs into our city government.

I sincerely hope you will take that into condsideration should a similar situation arise.

I would not be surprised that our local religious folks now feel as if they can expand on this and inject thier religious beliefs at will into other aspects of our local government.

I would also like to know if you will make public the letter you received from the law firm and I would further like to know just exactly what your motivation was behind this. It seems to me as if the city govt. seemed to function very well before the motto. Why now? What exactly are you trying to say.? The website "In God We Trust-America" with whom you are apprently in league, tell me that I am not a patriot unless this motto adorns the walls of my local government council chambers.It saddens me that you cannot see the absurdity in that . Perhaps you just don't want to.

I would like to know sir if that is how you feel, do you endorse that statement?

In closing I would suggest that if you really feel the need to have a motto, you may want to condsider "E Pluribis Unum" or "Of Many, one"

He did send a copy of the letter. I can't post it because it was a PDF. It was fairly plain, asking the mayor if he would consider placing "In God We Trust" in the council chambers or courthouse. It went on to say that hundreds of cities accross Missouri like Branson, Springfield, Jeff City etc. had already done so with unanimous resolutions.

Appratenly the letter also came with an information packet that that was most likely provided by the website In God we Trust America". This is the site that basically says we have to do this to be considered patriots.

This is verbatim from the website:

In God We Trust ~ America, Inc.

Our Mission:

"To Promote Patriotism

By Encouraging Elected Officials

To Legally Display Our National Motto,

"In God We Trust"

In Every City, County and State Chamber in America"

--Jacquie Sullivan

Founder/President

Here's a link to the site:

http://www.ingodwetrust-america.org/

Here is the mayor's response to my letter.

Please keep in mind the council never voted on a resolution or approved funds until the motto had already been put in place.

"Sorry I have been out of the office, attached is a copy of the letter from the law firm. A copy was given to the news media last week. The mention of the web site IGWT.... is only to show the cities, counties, and states that have placed "In God We Trust" on/in their buildings, we are not in "league" with their statements.

The motto was placed in our city offices building after much thought and discussion with all the council members, city attorneys, and the researching of it. We discussed it with the council members individually, who agreed to it before it was placed in the foyer.

Thank you for your interest and your thoughts, sorry again for the slow response."

Sincerely, Mayor

I was unimpressed by the mayor's response and still have no idea if any media printed the letter from the law firm. Folks can visit the website and draw their own conclusions. As for me I feel it is nothing short of a crusade.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Sep 21, 2011, at 7:42 PM

Speaking of Rodeos! Everyone should head out to the Saline County Fairgrounds this Thursday, Friday & Saturday night for some good clean family fun!

You will not only see 2 judges in the arena...... At some point during the Bull riding one judge will see the rider slap the stock with his free hand & be disqualified. The other judge won't be able to see this from his point of view or position in the arena. The Bull rider might even object to touching the animal all together or seem confused. This could happen during the main event portion with a lot of spectators or during Thursday/Friday Slack with minimal viewers.

Anywhooo! Go out & support your local MVC Rodeo Team! Go Vikings :)

-- Posted by SalineVoter on Wed, Sep 21, 2011, at 7:26 PM

Amy Crump! Are you out there?!?!?!

"OverDrive announced today that it has begun adding Kindle compatibility to all of the U.S. public and school libraries in its network."

I have no idea what it would take to become part of the OverDrive library lending system, but I would LOVE, LOVE, LOVE being able to check out books for my Kindle! Just a suggestion. :)

-- Posted by GrahamBob on Wed, Sep 21, 2011, at 7:19 PM

The Marshall mayor and council probably think they can breath easier now that the flap over the "motto" has eased off in the blog. What do you think?

-- Posted by red dog on Wed, Sep 21, 2011, at 6:53 PM

At all the rodeos I have been to, the rider has 8 seconds to impress the "judges". The outcome is usually not determained by the spectators!

-- Posted by meagain on Wed, Sep 21, 2011, at 5:37 PM

SalineVoter,

I am agreeing with you about it not being the first rodeo!!

-- Posted by Jessa on Wed, Sep 21, 2011, at 2:59 PM

SalineVoter,

EXACTLY!!!!!

-- Posted by Jessa on Wed, Sep 21, 2011, at 2:55 PM

salinevoter,

I remember those and then some...some just have more chances than others ...

No matter the situation so be a assault,accident, guess is where you buy the clothes you wear ( uniform )

-- Posted by momandgramma on Wed, Sep 21, 2011, at 2:53 PM

momandgramma & notgivn -

Look at domestic assault statistics. What are the chances that domestic assault is reported on the first occasion. Something happened a few years ago in town where an intoxicated spouse said she fell on her front porch & the good samaritan was charged with trespassing! That was sad. Please make note of the areas hit & you will recognize that it wasn't their first rodeo!

-- Posted by SalineVoter on Wed, Sep 21, 2011, at 2:49 PM

notgvnasht,

If I was a betting person I would bet this does not make it long at all

Not only is this frightening with him being law enforcement and still have his job for assault!!

What scares me more is he will soon be graduating and become a educator for our school system .... soooo I'm thinking some where some how this needs disappear for him?

-- Posted by momandgramma on Wed, Sep 21, 2011, at 2:26 PM

Buttons,

I personally know what you are talking about

I myself was headed on Salt Pond approaching Vest back August 2010 had at that time ages 2 year old and 6 yr old grand daughter when out of the blue a big red pick up blew the stop sign and hit me.....

I later ended up at hosp. due to my knee swelling found out was a seat belt injury my back causing me pain from the accident...the person that hit me since admitted was his fault and had insurance was granted a pass from a ticket for his honesty.... and I am still fighting get my medical bills paid ( my car insurance is paying them ) His insurance has denied every single claim .... I am glad that you are ok and accident avoided I would never wish the headaches and pain that I have endured from this incident ( and still going through it )

-- Posted by momandgramma on Wed, Sep 21, 2011, at 1:42 PM

I wonder if anyone knows why they keep patching College Street instead of repaving it? They have redone so many streets in town that didn't need it near as bad as college street does. I realize it is currently concrete and that's a different process, but if that's too costly, why can't they just use asphalt? Just curious - Educated opinions requested only - I'm not trying to stir anything up.

-- Posted by outsidelookin'in on Wed, Sep 21, 2011, at 10:19 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Sewer work is slated to be done under College Street. The street won't be repaved until after that's done -- otherwise, the sewer project would involve tearing up new surface. I'm not sure when the sewer project is scheduled, but I believe it's sometime in the near future.

i live very close to the 4 way on vest and jefferson and people blow that sign on vest daily! don't see what keeps an accident from happening, going to be bad when it does with the school right there!!

-- Posted by wheresthelove on Wed, Sep 21, 2011, at 9:05 AM

MOMAND GRANDMA

Last week I was driving North on Saltpond St., I was almost to Vest St. when a black pickup blew thru the stop sign, I came to a full stop, good thing I did, before I could even move a wheel a white car blew the stop sign also, needless to say that shook me up, all I could do was thank God I was still stopped, if one had hit me no telling where I would of landed, I could not tell if it was teenagers or adults they were going so fast. I knew it would not do any good to call the police, both vehecles were long gone, and no way could I have gotton a tag number,

I creeped to Vest St. until I could make sure no other cars was coming either way, then shaking I proceeded on up Saltpond St.

-- Posted by buttons on Tue, Sep 20, 2011, at 9:27 PM

Drug addiction may be a disease but it is a disease contributed to by a single conscious decision to use for the first time. I lived with addicts, dealers as a child. Not much sympathy for any criminal with a child under their roof from me.

Children under 18 don't have a choice. 32 year old women ill or well do have several choices. Focus on the little boy with a sad home life & distorted values. (Crack Pipe vs. Teddy Bear)

-- Posted by SalineVoter on Tue, Sep 20, 2011, at 9:23 PM

SalineVoter

"Stay across"? lol...I go whereever I want to go whenever I want to go...lol.

I have to respectfully disagree with you. Prison is a very poor substitute for medical treatment.

Drug addicts are suffering from a disease -- a disease recognized by the AMA.

That woman needs treatment, not imprisonment. Once she is well enough to resume her role as the mother of her child, not only will the child and mother benefit but all of society benefits.

Prisons do nothing to break the addiction cycle.

Empirical evidence indicates that the 12 Step Addiction Treatment Program has been the most successful medical treatment of addiction and it is the preferred method promoted the AMA.

Yes the child should be living with caring relatives right now, and the mother should be in a good hospital or rehabilitation center receiving intensive care to help her become well again. When she is finally returned to good health and ready to resume her duties as a mother, she should be released and returned to her role as a mother and a contributing member of our society.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Sep 20, 2011, at 6:08 PM

news across....... Stay across!

Drug abuse is a personal tragedy when it involves an individual. Once a child enters the home it is Child Endangerment period. Hopefully all of the adults in this tragic situation stress to this child that they did NOTHING wrong! If the items hadn't been so commonplace in the home environment the child would not have been so eager to "Show & Tell".

Contact your legislators for stronger sentencing in these types of situations involving children. If we don't make child safety a priority who will? This child earned a gold star in my eyes.

-- Posted by SalineVoter on Tue, Sep 20, 2011, at 2:09 PM

momandgramma

Its a terrible thing what illicit drugs and all drug abuse do to lives.

I hope that woman will get the help she needs to overcome her addiction and learn to live a normal, productive, fulfilling life -- one day at a time.

Unfortunately, what will probably happen is she will go to prison and the child will be deprived of his mother. That is a lose-lose situation for everyone.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Sep 20, 2011, at 4:51 AM

Now This beats all!!!

SWEET SPRINGS, MO (KCTV) -

The task for the fresh-faced kindergartner students was to bring important family items for show and tell.

But one kindergartner floored his teacher and local law enforcement officers when police say he pulled his mother's crack pipe and an ounce of drugs from his backpack.

The child's mother was charged with possession of a controlled substance and one count of first-degree child endangerment. Bond was set at $7,500 for 32-year-old Michelle Marie Cheatham.

A family friend at Cheatham's home told KCTV5 that the boy is now being cared for by loved ones.

Sweet Springs Elementary School officials contacted police on Sept. 6 about 8:30 a.m. Students had been asked to bring "pictures of their family for show and tell," according to court documents.

The teacher told police that the boy produced for his "show-and-tell" family items the pipe and "several baggies of crack rocks," according to court records. The rocks tested positive for methamphetamine. Altogether, the drugs totaled about an ounce and were worth about $3,700, officials said Monday.

A search warrant was executed at Cheatham's home and a police dog named "Boomer" found a crack pipe, according to court records. Charges were filed Sept. 12.

-- Posted by momandgramma on Mon, Sep 19, 2011, at 11:32 PM

For those of you who were following the story about the artificial sweetener plant that Marshall missed out on, because Moberly had such a "sweet" deal for the company (pun intended), then this article should interest you.

http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/2011...

It seems that the company has "little cash" and missed its first scheduled bond payment. UMB took the money from a reserve fund to pay the bondholders, but it seems that the city may be on the hook for any payments after the reserve fund runs out. An attorney that specializes in corporate restructuring and liquidation has been appointed as the interim chief of the company.

-- Posted by Jacob Stanton on Mon, Sep 19, 2011, at 8:17 PM

As always Eric I appreciate your constant effort to improve the cultural aspect of Marshall.

Incidentally Mike was not the only one who struggled that benefited from Leonard Van Dyke's compassion. It is my opinion that the good fellow had a bit of George Bailey in him. At the least he was far removed from Mr. Potter. (It's A Wonderful Life)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Sep 19, 2011, at 7:08 PM

meagain,

Join the club lol...many of us are spelling-challenged lol.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Sep 19, 2011, at 6:12 PM

Wow, I just re-read what I posted. Someone should call the police on my spelling. LOL!

-- Posted by meagain on Mon, Sep 19, 2011, at 5:49 PM

meagain,

I would have but it happened so fast and they swerved out behind me and across street hoping they was not going to hit me ( guess them living in own world letsbreakthelawville ) and trying keep the 3 year old in my own back seat from hollering grandma what she saying why she screaming.

Thinking would have been a perfect moment if we was able carry stupid buttons lol

-- Posted by momandgramma on Mon, Sep 19, 2011, at 5:14 PM

Yes, thanks for posting the link about Mike Henderson. I also got a copy from Jane Huff, whose father is mentioned by Mike as an early benefactor.

I'd love to see Mike come back to Marshall to perform and show his art! I've forwarded this link and several others to Jill Murray, who heads the Bear Creek Blues Fest group and to the Marshall Cultural Council board, which oversees the Bob James Jazz Festival.

Hope between the two groups we can entice him to pay us a visit!

-- Posted by Eric Crump on Mon, Sep 19, 2011, at 4:43 PM

momandgramma:

You should have written down a lisence plate number and called the police to report the incident. It is reidulous how some people get so irritated when behind a driver who is driving the speed limit and following the rules.

-- Posted by meagain on Mon, Sep 19, 2011, at 4:26 PM

OK Reader.

Thanks for the link. I'm too young to remember him it's cool none the less. Maybe the Slater Blues fest folks should consider inviting him home

next year.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Mon, Sep 19, 2011, at 4:16 PM

Here is another of Marshall's own who left for greener pastures, and found them. Some of you older folks will remember him.

I know personally that Mike suffered from racism as a youth for I have seen the tears in his eyes from its effects. It haunted me at the time, and still does. Fine artist, blues player, and a good human being.

I am certain that his family is proud of him (hello Harry), and the entire community should be. http://www.kqed.org/arts/programs/spark/...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Sep 19, 2011, at 2:55 PM

I can tell you that I have sent the mayor 4 separate e-mails expressing my concerns about the motto and how the situation was handled. The mayor can't seem to be bothered to even acknowledge me in any way. Not a peep. I wonder why that is Mr. Mayor?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Mon, Sep 19, 2011, at 2:32 PM

what ever happen to all the stuff with the mayor never heard any follow ups if there were any..about the motto of the sign

-- Posted by bc65340 on Mon, Sep 19, 2011, at 1:45 PM

Hope this individual reads blogs here,

For the couple that was on West Washington driving dark blue car approaching stop sign !

Since it was obvious you was in such a big hurry driving like a maniac approaching rear end of my vehicle on West Washington in a fast manner.

The big red octagon shape sign placed on right side with letters S T O P is a traffic sign to notify drivers that they must stop before proceeding. Honking the horn and racing the engine is a road rage attempt and this driver will not be bullied and disobey the law. I would suggest leaving 10 minutes early allow arrive on time so you can behave in a better way

The lady shot gun driver with that awful nasty filthy mouth sure wish I had some bleach wash that out , praying you DO NOT kiss those precious children that was in back seat had witness the horror of tone and words you used for no reason.

I will be saying a pray those children survive that ugly mouth you have.

-- Posted by momandgramma on Mon, Sep 19, 2011, at 1:27 PM

momaster:

I am sure that houses will start selling once hamburger season is back. We have to work around Wal-Mart's schedule, you know.

-- Posted by Interested Too on Mon, Sep 19, 2011, at 10:53 AM

This preview has been shown a few times already, according to the schedule, so you may have seen it, but, for anyone who has not (like myself), it may appear on your local PBS station tonight, for a half hour:

Program Description

This program goes behind the scenes with filmmakers Ken Burns and Lynn Novick in this sneak preview of their new film PROHIBITION, premiering in fall 2011. Discover the true story of America's "Great Experiment" and go beyond the oft-told tales of gangsters, rum runners, flappers and speakeasies to experience the rise, rule and fall of the 18th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

-- Posted by Slater on Sun, Sep 18, 2011, at 4:02 PM

Duck season! Rabbit season!

Duck season! Rabbit season!

Duck season! Rabbit season!

Hamburger season!

-- Posted by JClover on Sun, Sep 18, 2011, at 12:00 PM

Hamburger season? Now that's funny.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sun, Sep 18, 2011, at 8:51 AM

Questions for the morning: Why are so many homes for sale in Marshall? Where are these people going? Who do they think is going to buy these homes? Is our population decreasing? Maybe these are the things our city leaders should focus on.

-- Posted by momaster on Sun, Sep 18, 2011, at 7:49 AM

Hey KF...you're back!

Welcome back!

I loved your comment regarding the hamburger buns.

I have never heard of a hamburger season. Apparently Walmart knows something the rest of us don't lol.

I guess I have always been a kind of maverick when it comes to burgers. I eat them year-round -- and on a bun at that. (lol)

Nice to see you commenting again KF!

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Sep 17, 2011, at 1:55 PM

I hope no one is planning to serve hamburgers until next spring, because hamburger season is over - at least according to Walmart.

The hamburger buns they make and sell in their bakery section are much better than any of the stuff in the bread aisle, but I haven't been able to find any recently.

When I inquired about this today, I was informed that those buns are "seasonal," so they won't be available until hamburger season comes around again. Not sure when that is.

I'd say more, but I don't have a moment to spare. I've got to get this news to McDonald's before they embarrass themselves making hamburgers all winter long.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Sat, Sep 17, 2011, at 11:31 AM

Gas in Boonville at Wal-Mart is $3.23.

-- Posted by fresh air on Fri, Sep 16, 2011, at 10:07 PM

"Navy clears gay WWII vet's record"

http://photoblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/201...

Its about time!

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Sep 16, 2011, at 7:58 PM

I filled up in Columbia today @ $3.29/gallon.

-- Posted by born-n-raised on Fri, Sep 16, 2011, at 5:58 PM

Speaking of oil companies....get your gas in Sedalia. I paid 3.35 today compared to Marshall's 3.51

-- Posted by momaster on Fri, Sep 16, 2011, at 2:01 PM

Hey where can I find out what the Marshall Homecoming Parade route is? I have heard several different routes.

-- Posted by carpetbagger on Fri, Sep 16, 2011, at 1:19 PM

Today is Homecoming for the Marshall High School. Please come out and cheer the guys on to a win against Fulton!! Don't forget the parade at 2pm today!

GO OWLS!!!

-- Posted by FFAmom on Fri, Sep 16, 2011, at 11:48 AM

Our first class mail is rated by size and weight, also. Make all the advertising first class, but then the cost of mailers will be passed on to the consumer in the form of higher prices for goods.

There's no easy way to win against greed.

-- Posted by Slater on Fri, Sep 16, 2011, at 9:59 AM

You hit it on the head Nana Dot if junk mail cost's same to mail as normal mail the crap will stop. I hate getting all that stuff.

-- Posted by Marshall Man on Fri, Sep 16, 2011, at 9:42 AM

Wow! Only 2 pieces of junk mail each week! I get about 2 a day, sometimes as much as 5 and I don't buy from either tv or catalogues and haven't for years. Fortunately I have a toddler so when we get the mail, I give it all to him so he is thrilled to receive mail.

-- Posted by inthemiddle on Thu, Sep 15, 2011, at 10:33 PM

new across: Honestly, you take the cake. Please send me your address so I can ship all of the unwanted junk mail I receive to you. Perhaps then you will believe that there is plenty of junk mail reaching mailboxes EVERYWHERE, not just at my house.

Contribute just once to a charity like March of Dimes, Habitat for Humanity, American Cancer Society, American Heart Association, all very reputable charities, and then brace yourself for the onslaught of their several-times-a-year mail solicitations PLUS all the other ones you did NOT contribute to, such as Sierra Club, The Nature Conservancy, and other, similar groups. They sell these lists to anyone willing to buy them.

If you have cataract surgery, you will be bombarded with mail from The Scooter Store and every other senior-related purveyor of goods such as hearing aids. And if you buy one of the scooters, you'll get all you ever dreamed of about cataract surgery and so forth.

YOU may not be receiving junk mail, but there are millions of people in the U.S. who do. You can cite all the statistics you care to, and give dozens of links to websites, but the reality is something QUITE different.

-- Posted by Miss Marple on Thu, Sep 15, 2011, at 8:35 PM

I'll bet anyone a 6 pack of their choice that the percentage of management let go by the USPS is smaller than the percentage of 'regular' postal employees. When they finally get around to doing it, I mean.

-- Posted by Interested Too on Thu, Sep 15, 2011, at 8:00 PM

I rarely get more than maybe 2 pieces of junk mail a week.

Helps if you don't buy anything from TV or from catalogs.

Junk mail is so routinely tossed now, that many companies have stopped sending, except to proven customers. The cost:profit ratio is dwindling.

It also helps if you refuse to share your address with any store (just give them the zip code). And, on a different subject...NEVER give your social security number to anyone! Make them google it like everyone else! :)

-- Posted by Interested Too on Thu, Sep 15, 2011, at 7:58 PM

FYI Special Olympics is free to the participants. Many organizations donate for the extra things they need.

-- Posted by Pasta on Thu, Sep 15, 2011, at 6:49 PM

Read this article today about the USPS in Michigan.

http://detnews.com/article/20110915/BIZ/...

So in a state with a 9% unemployment rate 35,000 more people could lose there jobs and the small towns don't want their post offices closed.

-- Posted by snoozes on Thu, Sep 15, 2011, at 6:00 PM

Miss Marple

All statements I made regarding the USPS are rooted in the information provided by fully qualified sources -- both fact and expert opinion.

The sources of information, the authors' supporting evidence and expert opinions, are at the links I posted in the comment.

If you disagree with the expert opinion then you may want to contact the authors of the articles.

If you disagree with facts...well...I am not really sure what advise to give you in that particular case.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Sep 15, 2011, at 5:06 PM

and that Wal-Mart doesn't really but American anymore either.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Thu, Sep 15, 2011, at 10:40 AM

news across: Junk mail is definitely received via the internet, but your statement that "junk mail, once a staple of the Postal Service, is no longer there," tells me you are living in dreamland. We receive an incredible amount of junk mail at this house every single day. Since what bills we have are paid almost exclusively online, what we do receive in "snail mail" is largely advertisements and pleas for donations from dozens of charities (and from these sources, multiple letters and other materials annually).

Things may be different in Australia, but here in the States, junk mail via USPS is very much alive.

-- Posted by Miss Marple on Thu, Sep 15, 2011, at 6:32 AM

News I didn't say that the Postal Service didn't have a plan and it wasn't good, I believe it is. My point is that government stands in the way. Will they move out of the way or throw more money at an outdated system heavily damaged by electronic communication? Government rules and regulation has kept the Postal Service from adapting to a changing mail environment before now when they are 8 billion under for the year. They saw the trend in mail volume coming but took what action they could but it was limited. The previous PMG also appealed to Congress for change and nothing was done. I feel the pain of this could have been lessened if action was taken sooner.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, Sep 15, 2011, at 6:05 AM

rr3yv0

I have to respectfully disagree with you regarding the cause of the financial problems the United States Postal Service is having.

The US Postal Service has lost a great deal of revenue lately. That much is true. However, the reason for that is the internet. Junk mail, once a staple of the Postal Service, is no longer there. Those revenues are gone because junk mail is now sent via the internet.

USPS postmaster-general Pat Donahoe has a good restructuring plan that will accommodate the changing market place but the changes will be painful. A lot of folks are going to be laid off and at the worst possible time given our current battle with deflation. Its unfortunate, but not unusual, for any company that is restructuring, in order to accommodate the marketplace and its cash flows, to layoff a large number of employees.

However Donahoe's plan is fiscally sound and would restore the USPS to a healthy, profit making enterprise. All that is necessary at this point is for the teaparty neocons who control the House of Representatives to get off their rears and pass the needed legislation. They are holding up the restructuring plan for nothing more than political reasons and this despite the damage their stalling may do to our Postal Service.

http://postandparcel.info/35802/news/don...

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/money/52011...

http://www.postalreporternews.net/2011/0...

http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2011/0...

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Sep 15, 2011, at 12:30 AM

"Cheetah" we let this great "super wal-mart" destroy our local stores, so really what's the difference?

-- Posted by tigger2118 on Wed, Sep 14, 2011, at 8:33 PM

SC regarding the Post Office I think it is a perfect example of our government trying to run a business. They are hamstrung by rules and regulations that are not business friendly. Yes we have affordable universal service but at what cost. We will soon find out what it will cost and see what decisions are made. You might find interesting the city carriers will be getting a Cost of Living Increase this month equal to about 47 cents per hour, per the union contract.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Sep 14, 2011, at 8:15 PM

Anybody else taking advantage of the cheaper gas prices in Slater? I have been driving there to get gas to stick it to the stations in Marshall! It's usually a few cents cheaper and saves me money!

-- Posted by tigger2118 on Wed, Sep 14, 2011, at 5:42 PM

Well,

At least these folks had a discussion about how to approach the "In God We Trust" motto as opposed to our mayor who just does things on his own.

http://www.miamiok.com/news/article_31bb...

Perhaps we should rephrase the motto to"

"In God We Must"

-- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Sep 14, 2011, at 1:23 PM

There wasn't meant to be attitude, just the facts. The reason notes were not sent from school is the schools did not want to be responsible for that. There were board members at enrollment to hand out the information. I was handed one at Walmart one week-end.

As a parent who has had a child in the league for past few years, I know to call a board member around the time school starts to see when to sign up and again in March, I start asking again.

Sorry, if you had a bad experience but as a parent I made it my business to find that information on my own. Now that, is my attitude!

-- Posted by meagain on Tue, Sep 13, 2011, at 8:35 PM

Meagain, attitude much?? Maybe the fact that for years the kids have been brining notes home from school...should have been a tip off that some kids might have missed out. Oh and I didn't see anyone at registration or at walmart. Another means...oh idk what about this "owl alert" feature we have OR idk since as parents we provided out information last year we could be contacted?? I mean jeeze...there's really no need for attitude and hopefully ur pleasant attitude isn't passed onto those kids playing soccer.

-- Posted by Scarpetta on Tue, Sep 13, 2011, at 6:16 PM

MG2008

Where would you suggest the soccer league put out the information for sign ups? It was in the paper, the board members handed them out at Walmart, and they were at enrollment for school. If you are interested and have good ideas get on the board yourself and do something about it. They can always use more people.

-- Posted by meagain on Tue, Sep 13, 2011, at 5:02 PM

Amen k_m!

-- Posted by luvthoseowls on Tue, Sep 13, 2011, at 4:19 PM

k_m

Who has complained that the mayor is a christian?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Tue, Sep 13, 2011, at 4:02 PM

Agreed Bambi,

People complain when it's raining, then complain that the sun is too bright. They complain that they're broke, then complain when they win the lottery. They complain because they think Obama is not a Christian, then complain that the Mayor IS a Christian. They complain that Marshall is dying and there's nothing to do and no 'community', then complain when a wonderful opportunity and activity comes to pull this town together.

My life isn't perfect and I've got my worries...but I consider myself lucky and blessed that I have a job, clothes on my back, food to eat, a warm safe home, a loving happy family, the freedom to share my opinions, and even the sight and education to read others'. All things considered, that's an awful lot to be thankful for considering the situations of millions in the U.S. and around the world.

-- Posted by k_m on Tue, Sep 13, 2011, at 3:55 PM

Well Bambi I certainly hope the mayor reads your comment.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Tue, Sep 13, 2011, at 2:42 PM

I just read the story posted about the rival schools chant. As a Christian, I consider what St. Xavier did as using the Lord's name in vain (vein?) No one has God in their back pocket and thinking and acting like they do turns people away from Jesus rather than to him. I doubt they thought of it in this way and thought they were being funny, but this kind of thing is doing more harm than good.

-- Posted by Bambi on Tue, Sep 13, 2011, at 2:09 PM

I often hear people complaining that the Marshall square is dead and that there is no reason to even go there - but when an event is held on the square that brings a lot of people to our community, there are complaints about blocking traffic, etc. It appears to me that the biggest problem with the city of Marshall is that too many of our citizens are happier complaining and whining than trying to pull together and make this town all it can be.

-- Posted by Bambi on Tue, Sep 13, 2011, at 2:02 PM

Here's some more religious zealotry:

http://rivals.yahoo.com/highschool/blog/...

-- Posted by What the f...... on Tue, Sep 13, 2011, at 12:55 PM

My son played on the Marshall Soccer League last year..I love watching him play and he really enjoyed himself. I WAS going to sign him up to play again, however, I never heard anything about signups. Last year, his school sent a letter home. This year, I didn't get a letter. I found out by word of mouth by another players grandma (who almost missed the deadline because they didn't know about it) that soccer was starting on Sunday. WHAT?! I didn't know who to call about it. I know the Y does signups but the league isn't through the Y...I just did a google search on the Marshall Soccer League and found an article on the DN about signups and the deadline being September 8th. I called and spoke with Amanda (from the article) and was told it was too late and that I couldn't sign my son up and that I had to wait until Spring "sometime" around February. I'm REALLY not happy right now. I don't belong to the Y so I wouldn't see notifications THERE and I don't subscribe to the paper, so I wouldn't have seen the article on it. There has got to be a better way to notify parents on sports or things happening outside of school. My son has been asking me numerous times about when he gets to play soccer again. I guess I'll just cross my fingers that he doesn't ask again because I know he'll cry if I tell him I missed the deadline. The first game hasn't even happened yet, you think they could squeeze in the few kids whose parents didn't know. I talked with a few people from my son's team from last year, and they weren't aware that signups were going on either.

-- Posted by MG2008 on Tue, Sep 13, 2011, at 10:42 AM

So what we have learned is that Mayor Gooden, with or without a vote of the council (apparently that is undetermined), decided unilaterally to make Marshall a "Yes Vote" city.

Well isn't that special.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Tue, Sep 13, 2011, at 10:34 AM

Perhaps folks would like to see the mayor's motivation behind his unilateral decision to inject religion into our city government.

http://ingodwetrust-america.org/

These folks believe that we can't be a partiot without god in our goverment.

This is excactly why religion and government do not mix.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Tue, Sep 13, 2011, at 8:22 AM

"911 - Press for Truth" (full movie)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMT2CHSvy...

In their own words, the 9/11 victim families speak out.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Sep 12, 2011, at 4:45 PM

I bet alot of 9/11 victims trusted god as well. We see how well that worked out.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Mon, Sep 12, 2011, at 3:21 PM

Hey Zeke. It takes all kinds brother, a dull world otherwise. I didn't say the mayor had anything to do with the close encounter event. Hope you didn't get a headache from the sound. As I didn't know who put it on I didn't say anything about that. My mayoral reference was to another current matter which was also touched on in my comment.

I can certainly see why there is an upsurge in public displays of Christianity in Marshall. After all when the majority of kids are on reduced cost, or free lunch programs, when there is seldom a decent paying job opening in Marshall, and when what few good ones there are get snatched by folks within the power structure before anyone knows they are there, it's tough. When educators in the town have become the false vestiges of a dwindled upper middle class, not because they make more money than before, but because everyone else makes less than before, when even that cherished point of pride, the high school football team languishes among the down trodden, things are tough.

Folks have trusted their officials for a long time to change things, even changing officials to get it done, but nothing changed. Heck they even changed football coaches, trusting that a new coach would change things. It hasn't.

Maybe it is a good thing to put the emphatic message on public buildings "In God WE Trust". Maybe it should be plastered on all the public buildings, and private businesses too, on every home, and auto bumper. Maybe folks should take a long look at that message on the back of their last dollar as it is spent a week before pay day.

Folks have trusted everyone else, and been let down. I reckon the only one left to trust is God. I trust that in time we will see if that alone brings better times to the good citizens of Marshall. There has been a whole lot of trust busting, which incidentally meant something entirely different in a day when government officials really cared about the people.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Sep 12, 2011, at 2:50 PM

"electricity or H2O" sorry another of my faults.

-- Posted by BigFatGuy on Mon, Sep 12, 2011, at 1:58 PM

I guess I am not good at typing sarcasm. another of my many faults....

my sister lives on the north side of town and I used to live on mission.

nearly without fail I would know if anything even remotely inconvient was goin to occur in my neighborhood. while on the northside my sis would have h2o or water cut off with no notice and bills paid.

we asked the folks at mmu if we missed the notice or something and she said since they create their own power they dont have to give any notice when they cut essential services unless its going to be more than three days.

this cant be true can it?

-- Posted by BigFatGuy on Mon, Sep 12, 2011, at 1:57 PM

okr, et al

if i have the right information, it wasn't the mayor who got real encounter to marshall - it was the vision of one person who then networked with local churches, pastors and friends to see the task accomplished.

and really - i think it could have been a heavy metal band biting heads off bats and screaming obscenities you couldn't hear because of the sheer volume of the music - and no one would have complained.

what a wierd, cynical world we live in when something as fun and wholesome as this event has to get dragged through the muck over and over.

congrats to all who had anything to do with the real encounter event.

just sayin

zeke

-- Posted by zeke on Mon, Sep 12, 2011, at 1:51 PM

It sounds like Real Encounter Outreach really excited the crowd! It is so much more exciting, and fun in Marshall than it was back in the old days.

Heck all we had on the square to remind us of religion on Saturday night were a few folks filled with fervor from some little fundamentalist store front church, jumping up, and down screaming we were going to the bad place if we didn't change our evil ways.

Now you have neat things like this,and in case you forget how good things are, you can walk by a government building, and be reminded that if you live in Marshall you trust in God. No ifs, ands, nor buts about it.

With the Owl's football team in the doldrums, maybe it would be a good thing to start having old time religious revivals on the lawn of the court house every Friday night. Bring in some Christian Rock bands. Someone ought to send the Mayor a letter suggesting just that. Chances are he could "gitter done" before anybody saw it coming.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Sep 12, 2011, at 12:29 PM

Hmmm...

What about the sidewalks? Were they barricaded, too? Of course not.

I suppose it's asking too much for people to walk a few yards to transact some business they could/should have been doing long before the time the street was blocked.

It's no wonder we're the nation with the fattest people on the planet.

-- Posted by Slater on Mon, Sep 12, 2011, at 12:04 PM

I can tell you that it is much more common for the businesses on the square to not get any notice when the square is barracaded off for an event. City Services is the only group that I can say makes a concerted effort to provide information to business owners on a regular basis.

-- Posted by the view from the square on Mon, Sep 12, 2011, at 10:33 AM

@patron - While I agree that the business should have been told in advance the actual time that spaces would be blocked, I'm going to guess that they were blocked starting at 3pm, to avoid having to tow cars at 4:30, for an event that starts at 5pm. When we have events here that requiring blocking of parking spaces, those spaces are blocked starting at midnight the night before - and they give you until 8am before they begin towing cars.

-- Posted by koeller77 on Mon, Sep 12, 2011, at 10:04 AM

"they told the businesses a time & then didn't follow through with what they said"......? really? I find that difficult to believe.

-- Posted by BigFatGuy on Mon, Sep 12, 2011, at 9:20 AM

I totally support what the event was for, I just felt it was way too early to block off ALL the parking on the north side. They could have blocked only the inside lane, or left a few spaces in front of each business...Especially when they told the businesses a time & then didn't follow through with what they said.

-- Posted by patron on Mon, Sep 12, 2011, at 8:15 AM

Aren't we all?

lol

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Sep 10, 2011, at 5:26 PM

They were on a mission from God.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Sat, Sep 10, 2011, at 10:43 AM

patron,

I guess that's why it's called an "extreme" sports event.

You can't fight city hall, city hall does what it wants when it wants.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, Sep 9, 2011, at 4:52 PM

Whoever is setting up the event on the square tonight told the businesses on North Street that they would BEGIN blocking parking spaces at 4pm...but they started at 3pm. When asked why they didn't wait (since none of the events even start until 5pm) they said that "North Street is a public city street & it is for public use and this is a CITY sponsored event, so they are free to block it if they wish."

The issue is that they have blocked customers from going into the businesses on North Street, particularly the insurance company which is rather busy on a Friday afternoon. Yes, we customers can walk from around the corner to go pay a bill, but it seems a bit extreme (not to mention rude) to block ALL the parking spaces on both sides of the street 2 hours before an event begins...

-- Posted by patron on Fri, Sep 9, 2011, at 4:10 PM

Could this be the missing link?

http://news.yahoo.com/closest-human-ance...

-- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, Sep 9, 2011, at 9:38 AM

I posted this at the foot of the article about the pending loss of village post offices in Saline County. I thought few would see it there, and that some might want to do something proactive about the problem. I also appreciated the irony of using the technology that gave us e mail to try to save snail mail. ;)

"She spoke of the lack of revenue, the decline in patronage and alternative, less expensive mailing methods."

Just thinking, what if the postal patrons of all these villages contacted friends, and relatives in other postal zones, and asked them to mail them letters, packages, etc.?

What if the folks in each of these village postal zones started mailing to folks in all the other four zones...a lot?

Would an increase in business at this late date stave off closure? It would at least highlight an increase in business compared to similar villages across the state.

Couldn't hurt, besides it might be fun to send real cards, and letters for a change. The decline of that quaint practice is a factor in the dilemma of the day. If you want to preserve the custom of the village post office, you must also preserve the customs that support it.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Sep 8, 2011, at 2:03 PM

I cannot stand to have a fire arm in my house. the thought of what could go wrong rips at my soul. I could never see my self owning a gun or needing a gun.

the above is a choice that I still have (for now). Those of you who love your guns or just like em or just keep em because you can, etc. have made a different choice and usually understand the possible outcomes of your choice much the same as understand that my choice has consequences. and we get along great!

why must people who feel harmed by a disturbed few feel the need to take things away form the responsible many.

to me it seems that the best way to stop gun- (and other types of) violence is to focus on the root cause not the final out come.

if you want to stop the neighbors dog from pooping on your yard, you talk to the neighbor you dont poison every dog in the neighborhood. if you want to stop Crazies from shooting innocents take better care of the crazies instead of leaving them to continue their suffering alone. you dont take a constitutionally gauranteed right to choose away from the rest of the population

PLEASE PARDON TYPO`S phone has no spell check or I haven`t figured it out yet.

-- Posted by BigFatGuy on Thu, Sep 8, 2011, at 1:39 PM

OKR

2 things mate:

1.) "...club and Dog method..." lol lol lol...

I like that. Its short and to the point lol.

2.) Your story about your young dog was both funny and touching all at the same time, and your recounting briefly of having to put down your older dog was quite moving.

Our Dogs are relatively young -- 6 years and 3 years -- and I always know in the back of my mind that someday I will have to do the humane thing for them despite the incredible sadness it will bring me to do it. My vet recently told me how he had to put his favorite dog down -- and he has a lot of dogs btw. It was due to a brown snake bite. He actually began to weep as he told me the story.

Odd that how much we love our pets, eh mate? Maybe its because they give us back so much more.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Sep 8, 2011, at 3:03 AM

News Across I did not mean to be uncivil by not replying to your last post addressed to me.

I also have adopted the club and dog method of home protection.

I had to have my old dog put to sleep on Valentines Day. Lo, and behold about two weeks later I heard of this five week old puppy separated from its mother. I intercepted it on its way to the pound.

It was the fiercest pup I had ever been around. All it wanted to do was bite my hands, which I soon (with love) was able to change to nipping. After a few weeks of torn skin on my hands, and arms that was reduced to licking. Still rough, I took her to a puppy obedience course. At the end of the five week course along with course completion certificates, they gave certificates projecting what each puppy would be best suited for. Hers was personal protection.

As she was a obviously a much mixed breed I had a dna test done. Most prominent was Labrador Retriever, with Akita, Russian Wolfhound, and Siberian Husky in the discernable mix. She is very loving if she knows you, but extremely active, aggressive, and athletic. I wouldn't want to be an intruder when I command "sic". I believe she could get an unwelcome party quicker than I could load, and aim a gun. Works for me. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Sep 8, 2011, at 1:04 AM

Notgvn I can understand that it is fun for some people to fire AK-47s.

As they are not the best choice for any other legal use within a civilian population what do you think about keeping them in maximum security facilities at firing ranges? Then the owners could check out their AK47s for recreational purposes at the range, and check them back in when finished. No worry about stolen guns on the street. No worry about a nice guy suddenly becoming unbalanced, and going on a killing spree. Problem solved. Incidentally, fire arms are handled that way in some countries.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Sep 7, 2011, at 11:01 PM

Oklahoma Reader

Here in Oz gun ownership is highly regulated. As a result we don't have a lot of folks getting blown away like the folks at the I-Hop.

I don't own a firearm myself. I do keep a cricket bat in a specific corner, and I do have dogs (early warning system is active (lol)) -- just in case.

I hope I never have to use it and, even more, I hope my wife never has to use it.

So far its done a darn good job of protecting my home and family, and the best part is it can't shoot any target from a distance -- so no nasty accidents would be too likely. Best of all, if I ever do have to use it, I can be pretty sure I will have the fun of prosecuting the bad guy as my cricket bat is far less likely to kill anyone than a gun would be.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Sep 7, 2011, at 6:38 PM

Sporting and hunting guns are one thing but a weapon like an AK-47 is designed soley to release as much death and destruction as it's clip will hold.

Given the power of an AK-47, should we not be allowed to own hand grenades and land mines as well?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Sep 7, 2011, at 6:11 PM

Most authorities agree that there are many better fire arms for home protection than an AK-47. Near the top of the list is the good old shotgun, the real American tradition, not some chinese made killing toy. Harumph!

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Sep 7, 2011, at 6:10 PM

News, I grew up with guns. There were times when I was a kid if I had not brought home a couple of rabbits we wouldn't have eaten. Guns have their place.

The problem is that I have thought about it, and thought about it, but I just can not see a rational reason, let alone a necessity for the proliferation of AK-47s that has occurred in our society.

I know that a lot of people likely get some sense of security from possessing them, but if they think about it I think that they may come to the conclusion that they are more likely to be shot with one by a nut, than to have it save their life when in their own hands.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Sep 7, 2011, at 5:49 PM

Oklahoma Reader

I used to have a weapon but it was not an AK 47.

It was an M-16. Of course technically it belonged to Uncle Sam but it was my responsibility to take care of it and, when ordered to do so by an officer, use it.

It was a real beauty too. I kept that baby oiled and ready. I was required to do so by the same Uncle Sam that put the weapon in my hands.

However, I realized early on that Uncle Sam's decision to put that rifle in my hands made more sense that just arming me with a knife. After all, just try to shoot an enemy from 50 meters with a knife...it just doesn't work. If you want to shoot a target from any distance beyond a few feet, then you definitely would not want to use a knife.

If the I-Hop shooter had only been armed with a knife, he probably would have been stopped much more easily and probably without a single casualty.

So yeah it was the shooter -- and his gun -- that killed those folks.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Sep 7, 2011, at 5:22 PM

SmartDog please consider the following:

Cars, baseball bats, and knives all have predominate other uses in a civil society, many would even say they are necessary. AK-47? Not.

Further, if the same number of people spent the same amount of time packing an AK-47 as they do driving cars I think that there would be a heck of a lot more dead people, than ever killed by auto accidents.

I remind you I was speaking against AK-47s, not guns in general, so your liquor comparison is not valid. If you had said instead of liquor, that Johnny Walker Scotch kills more people than Ak-47s it would have been a truer comparison, but ludicrous, don't you agree?

Then there is the lethality factor. Had the insane person in Carson City walked into the IHOP in Carson City wth a ball bat, a knife, mayhem may have occured, but we wouldn't be sitting here now feeling sad for all the widows, and orphans.

One other point, cigarettes, and other types of tobacco do kill, but not upon instant exposure as is the case with a bullet to the chest from an AK-47. One does have options to avoid tobacco smoke. I think that all those unnecessarily dead folk in Carson City would have preferred to take their chances with cigarettes.

Just something for you to think about.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Sep 7, 2011, at 5:01 PM

Please blame the criminal, OKR, not the weapon of choice.

An AK-47 can't load, aim, or fire its self.

And if your angle is public safety. We haven't outlawed cigarettes, liquor, or cars yet. All of which kill far more folks than AK-47's.

Then there's those pesky knives and baseball bats.......

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Wed, Sep 7, 2011, at 4:21 PM

Anybody ever heard of anyone killing a deer with an AK-47? Anybody ever heard about anyone shooting a home invader with an AK-47? Not me.

All I have ever heard of being shot with an AK-47 are police, national guardsmen having a meal, and other innocents, usually by a deranged nutcase.

That is of course outside of the only use for which they were designed, war.

So, what other use are they good for beyond being fondled by their owners? What a world!

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/stor...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Sep 7, 2011, at 4:16 PM

What is this, bash on the Marshall Police Department day? You people really need to get a life!

-- Posted by TrollHunter on Wed, Sep 7, 2011, at 2:27 PM

Can anyone believe the Police chief and the council are talking about moving Halloween?

I would like to know how many Marshall Police officers have been hurt on Halloween? Or how many children?

-- Posted by cheesehead on Wed, Sep 7, 2011, at 12:29 PM

Do ya'll remember when we had a cop who had no driver's license? It seems they are completed above the law in Marshall anyway. JMO

-- Posted by Jessa on Wed, Sep 7, 2011, at 12:17 PM

BC 65340, Yes marshal cops are above the law.

-- Posted by BigFatGuy on Wed, Sep 7, 2011, at 11:54 AM

i have reported it to the police dept.. but a police officer lives there, are they above the law? just wondering

-- Posted by bc65340 on Wed, Sep 7, 2011, at 10:57 AM

If you have that going on with a car with no tags you need to report it to the police could be a stolen car more importantly it is against the law not to register your car and in some cities if you have a car parked in your driveway you can still get a ticket for not registering.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Tue, Sep 6, 2011, at 9:23 PM

Bambi, to answer your question. Capitalism and a "gentleman`s" agreement.

The marshall gas guys know each other and hold prices up as a group. how else could gas be a full 10 to 15 cents cheaper 10 miles in any direction out of town. I get my Gas in Sweet springs on the way to work. its almost always at least 10 cents cheaper.

-- Posted by BigFatGuy on Tue, Sep 6, 2011, at 1:25 PM

bc65340 why not call the police department?

-- Posted by Gal66 on Tue, Sep 6, 2011, at 1:22 PM

is it against the law to park a vehicle or boat on a public street without a license or a expired license just wondering

-- Posted by bc65340 on Tue, Sep 6, 2011, at 12:57 PM

Why is gas still higher in Marshall and why is an out-of-town excavator doing the work on the Statue of Liberty site at the park?

-- Posted by Bambi on Tue, Sep 6, 2011, at 9:27 AM

I see the novelty of the one-sentence movie line conversation has worn off. Too bad.

-- Posted by Slater on Mon, Sep 5, 2011, at 8:27 AM

I think that once the Pac 12 becomes the Pac 16, the Big Ten and SEC will also go to 16, and Missouri will be courted by both for geographic reasons. They'll find a spot easily. K-State and Iowa may have a problem though.

-- Posted by Interested Too on Sun, Sep 4, 2011, at 3:45 PM

With two lame people like Brady Deaton and Mike Alden steering things for MU, the Tigers will probably find themselves spinning lazily in the turbulence created by the others rushing away from the conference.

Texas has its own revenue source and doesn't care about the others, so Mack Brown and Co. may end up trying to form another conference.

Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing the conference return to the Big 6 format of a few decades back, but there'd most likely be no big pile of money to feed off of if that were the case.

I'm so disgusted with sports in general I don't even bother to pay much attention any longer.

-- Posted by Slater on Sun, Sep 4, 2011, at 2:41 PM

Does anyone have an idea as to what Missouri is going to do when Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma State join the PAC 10 conference?

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Sep 4, 2011, at 1:54 PM

Don't forget the free adoption event at the Marshall Animal Shelter this week, sponsored by the Saline Animal League. It runs from 1 - 4 p.m. each day. There are some stipulations, so please phone the Animal Shelter or stop by and talk to a representative of the Shelter or League about the pet you would like to adopt. 831-0420

-- Posted by cmasretire on Sun, Sep 4, 2011, at 11:34 AM

Cheesehead, I'm pretty sure Road Runner is not available in the Marshall vicinity. If Time Warner was the cable tv provider, then you'd have road runner as an option for internet service.

Windjammer would most likely be a good choice if you can get it. Did Cheetah say you'd need fiber optic lines in order to subscribe with them?

What about Socket or Iland? Are they any good?

-- Posted by Slater on Sun, Sep 4, 2011, at 12:48 AM

smokin cheetah,

Thanks for posting your internet speed it seems like at least you are getting close to whats advertised which is up to 10 mbps.

slater,

Is road runner internet available here in Marshall? Your speed is faster than what windjammer advertises

-- Posted by cheesehead on Sat, Sep 3, 2011, at 8:34 PM

Cheesehead, if I read correctly, Windjammer is a high speed cable service, and that will bump your speed considerably.

I'm on Road Runner cable and during the peak periods I get a download speed ranging from 14mbps to 16mbps and upload a little over 1mbps. The peaks don't affect the cable like DSL is affected. I see very little difference during the peak periods.

I would imagine Windjammer's fiber optic service would give you a lot of speed, maybe even faster than cable.

-- Posted by Slater on Fri, Sep 2, 2011, at 12:05 AM

red dog, You don't have to subscribe to landline telephone service to utilize the DSL services offered by At&T. Just tell them you don't need the phone and it's easy, peasy, lemon squeezy. :-)

-- Posted by sapphireslipper on Thu, Sep 1, 2011, at 9:00 PM

smokin cheetah or anyone that has internet with windjammer

Is their any chance you could go to http://speedtest.net/ at peak hours around 7 or 8 and run a speed test and let us know what your speed is. My download speed is running about 1.20 mbps with At&t which is not optimal for live streaming. They advertise up to 1.5 but I have never got above 1.29 and just wondering if Windjammer customers are getting close to what is advertised before I switch companies. Thanks to anyone who can assist me.

-- Posted by cheesehead on Thu, Sep 1, 2011, at 6:09 PM

Cheesehead

Check with Municipal Utilities and see when they are going to get fiber optics in your neighborhood. As soon as it it in my neighborhood it is goodbye AT&T, land line and overpriced service. The AT&T DSL will never be particularly fast in Marshall because of distance from the source. Who needs a land line if you have C-phones. Muni will eventually (hopefully) have electric, and fiber optics available underground and the cable company is joining them. AT&T chooses to keep the overhead lines. Like I said, goodbye AT&T.

-- Posted by red dog on Thu, Sep 1, 2011, at 1:35 PM

Does anyone happen to know when AT&T is going to upgrade the internet speed here in Marshall?

There was one employee at AT@T that told me there is no way any employee here has acess to that information not even a supervisor. This may seem like a joke but its not. Are customers entitled to know when services will be upgraded or not?

Do we have acess to faster internet here in Marshall than AT&T provides?

-- Posted by cheesehead on Thu, Sep 1, 2011, at 12:54 PM

Now, if you also could retire the heat wave, eh Mr. Crump? :)

-- Posted by Slater on Thu, Sep 1, 2011, at 9:29 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
I'll see what I can do!

Summer speak out has been retired to the archives. Welcome to September!

-- Posted by Eric Crump on Thu, Sep 1, 2011, at 6:42 AM


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