Speak Out June 1 to August 31, 2011

Wednesday, June 1, 2011

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  • Welcome to June.

    -- Posted by Eric Crump on Wed, Jun 1, 2011, at 7:06 AM
  • Hey Eric where is the link to May's politics blog?

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Jun 1, 2011, at 10:02 AM
  • Thanks for providing a good avenue for local news.

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Wed, Jun 1, 2011, at 11:42 AM
  • Eric:Speak Out (Politics) for the month of May 2011 is not at either of the links you provided, as far as I can tell.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Jun 1, 2011, at 12:46 PM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
  • In keeping with the times:


    -- Posted by Slater on Wed, Jun 1, 2011, at 4:25 PM
  • FYI:

    During traffic congestion, in which you can not see ahead of you, and all traffic is in the slow lane...... please stay in the slow lane. I yelled at some of you yesterday during the incident that took place at the junction. Please make sure you keep a lane open for Emergency Personnel. Some of you should have gotten tickets for that.

    -- Posted by ieatsuperglue on Thu, Jun 2, 2011, at 10:23 AM
  • Please order pizza, dine in, or carry out from Pizza Hut between 4-9 p.m. tonight and 20% of your purchase price will be donated to the Relay for Life.

    thank you all so much for your help!!

    -- Posted by speedfingers on Thu, Jun 2, 2011, at 12:59 PM
  • We need your help -- we are swimming in books! Please join us tomorrow and Saturday at the Used Book Sale, held at the Marshall Public Library from 10 am to 5 pm.

    -- Posted by Amy Crump on Thu, Jun 2, 2011, at 2:25 PM
  • I sure do wish we had a bbq joint here in marshal mo

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Fri, Jun 3, 2011, at 11:11 AM
  • What about BBQ Pit Stop?

    -- Posted by speedfingers on Fri, Jun 3, 2011, at 11:19 AM
  • How can someone find out info on these private neighborhood pool memberships around town?

    -- Posted by awake on Sat, Jun 4, 2011, at 8:51 AM
  • Just heard we are losing our Halmark Store. Rod's lost its Halmark franchise for all of its stores. Guess it will be Rod's Gifts now.

    -- Posted by momaster on Sun, Jun 5, 2011, at 7:56 AM
  • The greed of a business like Hall's far outweighs the livelihood of the small merchant trying to remain solvent in these troubled economic times.

    -- Posted by Slater on Sun, Jun 5, 2011, at 8:18 PM
  • Does anyone think it's kind of fishy that a dog from outside our county is registered in the dog contest and already has 93 votes ? I sure do!

    -- Posted by niuges on Mon, Jun 6, 2011, at 3:58 PM
  • Maybe its a grandpet. I've seen enough Saline County grandparents enter grandchildren from out of county in the Saline County Baby Contest at the fair over the years.

    -- Posted by inthemiddle on Mon, Jun 6, 2011, at 7:05 PM
  • -- Posted by cheesehead on Mon, Jun 6, 2011, at 10:01 PM
  • The only reason that our out of town dog is in the Pet Idol is because. We are born and raised in Saline Co. and our pooch was adopted from SAL. And we just moved out of town 3 months ago. We still have a huge amount of family in the area. Most of the reason I put our dog in the contest was not to win but to brag and show our pride for our pooch.

    -- Posted by ummmhmmm on Mon, Jun 6, 2011, at 10:23 PM
  • Don't blame the sprouts for the new, and deadly strain of E. Coli. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-katz-md/e-coli-vegetables-blame-meat_b_87205...

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Jun 7, 2011, at 2:03 PM
  • What happened to more pics to come of the Marshall High graduation?

    -- Posted by mo_maxine on Tue, Jun 7, 2011, at 5:47 PM
  • -- Posted by Slater on Wed, Jun 8, 2011, at 12:19 AM
  • If anyone has grown restive over the lagging economy, just have a look at this and I guarantee your spirits will be renewed!


    And, if that doesn't do it, try this one. Just follow the bouncing ball and sing along! Guaranteed to have you smiling in no time!


    -- Posted by Slater on Wed, Jun 8, 2011, at 12:53 AM
  • More power to the Icecream shop selling Cicada ice cream... innovation and taking chances is what this nation was built on... lol

    We dont need FDA or state food agencies telling us every single thing. If you think that it might be unhealthy NO ONE is forcing you to eat it.... otherwise for those who might want to take the chance of eating something "gross" then leave them alone.

    -- Posted by mrxray on Wed, Jun 8, 2011, at 1:05 AM
  • How many of you know that we are now fighting four wars in the middle east at the same time?

    There is Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, and now it is coming out that we are fighting in Yemen. Who knows, we may be involved in even more secret wars.

    It is insanity.

    The Yemen War: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/09/world/middleeast/09intel.html?_r=2&emc=na

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Jun 8, 2011, at 10:58 PM
  • Please stop post links to propaganda videos here, We should be coming together as a nation not drawing more lines to divide us over stupid things. I remember 9/11 and the out cry it caused. I have seen the oppression of other countries by the brutal leaders. We must help those in need. We are America the land of the free and the home of the BRAVE.

    -- Posted by Selmac8 on Thu, Jun 9, 2011, at 10:37 PM
  • The truth hurts, and it should.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Jun 9, 2011, at 11:01 PM
  • How is the farmer's market doing I haven't made it up there yet? My garden is doing well now that we have some hot weather.

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Fri, Jun 10, 2011, at 12:00 PM
  • Wonders just how many more months goes by that the wounded car on Jefferson and Vest has to be fixed or moved?

    -- Posted by momandgramma on Fri, Jun 10, 2011, at 6:14 PM
  • For all you people going Ayuck a ayuck "Home of the brave. LOL" and stupid stuff like that. Remember people died so you had the right to say that, If you don't like how this country is run -----> there's the border.

    -- Posted by Selmac8 on Fri, Jun 10, 2011, at 8:09 PM
  • http://network.yardbarker.com/mlb/article_external/video_bad_idea_shameful_behav...

    Take a look at this video. The woman in this video should be publicly shamed for what she did. I'm glad this is not typical midwestern hospitality and behavior! This happened at Kaufman Stadium at last week Royals/Twins game.

    -- Posted by nouveaublogger on Fri, Jun 10, 2011, at 8:37 PM
  • Stocks fell again in the longest slump since 2002.

    Got gold?

    Associated financial news in thiscountry, and globally was no better. So says Bloomberg. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-06-10/asia-stocks-rise-paring-weekly-decline-...

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Jun 10, 2011, at 10:57 PM
  • The House of Representatives since its take over by the Republicans, could more appropriately be called the House of Mean based on their all out effort to balance the budget on the backs of the most fragile members of society, the elderly, and children. Destroy Medicare, destroy Social Security Retirement, and now their meanest, and leanest yet. They want to cut funds for the WIC nutrition program, cutting off 200,000 to 350,000 low income women, and children dependent on the program for nutrition, while refusing to ask one dime in help from the richest in America.

    They stand firm on keeping their rich benefactors at the low Bush tax rate they have enjoyed for years.

    It reminds one of Dickens' "Oliver Twist" wherein Oliver asked for a second bowl of gruel, and the masters thought it best to hang him for his effrontery. At least that would have been a quick death. Starvation is painful, and slow. Leave it to our current Republicans to be nastier than Dickens' villains. http://www.thewashingtoncurrent.com/2011...

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Jun 10, 2011, at 11:56 PM
  • OKR. Do you realize how many women and children are on WIC that do not need to be? It is pushed on every woman who has a child now days and of course many of them are going to take advantage of it, need it or not. My wife and I got information on it after the birth of all 3 of my children and we chose not to partake in the handouts even though we qualified. I do believe it is a great program but people should sacrifice a little. So you dont have the newest cell phone or a cell phone at all. You have basic cable instead of 150 premium channels. You eat out 3 or 4 times a month instead of every other night. I could keep going but i think you get my point. Lets start with a clean slate and and leave it for the people who REALLY need it.

    -- Posted by Almost Critical on Sat, Jun 11, 2011, at 12:52 PM
  • While they're cutting, how about some restrictions on what can and cannot be bought with the Missouri EBT card? Lately every time I've been to Casey's here in town there is someone using their EBT card to buy soda. This morning it was someone buying a 2 liter bottle. The day before yesterday it was someone buying several bottles. Last Saturday night it was a teenager trying to buy donuts. It goes on and on. I don't mind helping those who need it, but if they need help, should we be paying for their soda and donuts?

    -- Posted by BlackBird on Sat, Jun 11, 2011, at 1:00 PM
  • Blackbird you have your idea about shiftless stealing poor people, and I have mine about first make sure no child goes undernourished, then worry about the excesses. Right now in this country we can't afford welfare food police. Heck we are even cutting regular police. I doubt we would ever reach common ground so I am not going to debate that point further.

    I do agree that we should fully utilize the technical benefits available with the electronic cards. Such things as curtailing purchases to only the things that in every way, meet current nutritional standards. In other words what we all should be eating, but don't. The food industry would probably fight that one to the bitter end. A side benefit of that would be to teach the poor what is good to eat, and perhaps help develop the habit of, and the preference for healthy eating. Wouldn't that be a hoot to see all the svelte poor people walking briskly through the crowds of overweight waddlers that has become commonplace in America.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Jun 11, 2011, at 3:26 PM
  • An afterthought Blackbird. I was overly harsh to you by making my statement about shiftless, stealing welfare people. That at least to some degree, was an assumption on my part that you are a member of the "welfare Cadillac crowd". Please accept my apology.

    Another advantage to the electronic card reform that you, and I both favor would be that even if some are getting it that don't need it, and I agree that they are some, at least they would likely be getting better food than they would no matter who was paying for it for it. No more white bread, whole grain only, for instance.We need to do everything we can to change the eating habits in this country. Starting from the bottum up is as good a place as any to start.

    Have a great day, I have enjoyed the discussion.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Jun 11, 2011, at 3:44 PM
  • I'm still screwing up Blackbird, In my mind I attributed Almostcritical's comment to you. My further apology, looks like we see eye to eye.

    Obviously Almostcritical a part of my comment was directed to you. My assumption, being a part of that, as well as my apology.

    One indirect thing I have learned from this exchange is that an old man of seventy, just in from working several hours in ninety plus degree weather, should drink a couple of glasses of water, and cool down before jumping on the blog.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Jun 11, 2011, at 3:55 PM
  • It's hard to regulate something that is free. How about letting them earn it after they qualify. Requiring them to take nutrition classes to continue to receive benefits. Maybe community service work 4 or 5 hours a week. That is just a couple of ideas, but having to earn it week by week or month by month would maybe eliminate a few freeloaders. Or maybe not.

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sat, Jun 11, 2011, at 9:49 PM
  • Your idea has some merit rr3, and it would work for some. The thing that must be foremost is the welfare of the children. I believe it would be money well spent to train those who take care of their children, how to do it better.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Jun 11, 2011, at 11:03 PM
  • 25 shocking facts that prove the entire U. S. health care industry has become one giant money making scam. http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/25-shocking-facts-that-prove-that-the-...

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Jun 12, 2011, at 12:10 AM
  • Oklahoma,

    Your exactly right the Health care system and insurances companies are stealing from us because health care is something every person will need at sometime in their life. Everyone should read the link you posted.

    I wish more media outlets and newspapers like MDN would give these people who are getting stuck with huge overcharges from health care services a outlet to let their stories be known. They wouldn't have to take sides, but let these stories be presented to the public. Maybe by putting names and faces to these facts would help lead us in the right direction. Its time for action to be taken.

    -- Posted by cheesehead on Sun, Jun 12, 2011, at 11:19 PM
  • This says it all, unfortunatley.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Mon, Jun 13, 2011, at 6:27 AM
  • -- Posted by What the f...... on Mon, Jun 13, 2011, at 6:27 AM

    Ozzie and Harriet I never met,

    nor Beaver either, to my regret.

    Knew a kid called Booney, it was said,

    he never laid his head on his own bed.

    Slept on floors, and kinfolk's chairs,

    succumbed to neglect, frowning stares.

    Knew a freckled kid we all called Red,

    A sweet little guy, slow in the head.

    Saw him abused, I still can't erase,

    a mean old teacher slapping his face.

    Poor little Red, just couldn't read,

    her ignorant address of special need,

    to demand that he must read out loud.

    He sputtered, he failed, totally cowed.

    She hit him then, a round house blow.

    Sadistic of her, but it was her show.

    And then there were the kids I didn't know.

    Stuck on the east side with no place to go.

    A cool pool that they could never jump in,

    simply because of the color of their skin.

    Booney was my friend, and with Red it was so.

    I wish it was true of those I didn't know.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Jun 13, 2011, at 1:18 PM
  • Oklahoma, I graduated high school with you. Never knew you were such a great poet. Love your poem.

    -- Posted by Cat Lover on Mon, Jun 13, 2011, at 6:41 PM
  • A bit on the pensive side, hmmm OKR? Nicely expressed, my friend. :)

    -- Posted by Slater on Mon, Jun 13, 2011, at 8:35 PM
  • Cat Lover you have me at a disadvantage as I don't know which you are of my 114 fellow graduates (class of 1958?). ;)

    It is an ironic coincidence that the first poem I ever wrote was in the eighth grade classroom of the teacher I spoke of in this poem. We had a homework assignment to memorize a poem, and to recite it. It was my frequent practice to ignore homework. The morning came to produce, I had done nothing. As my classmates stepped to the front of the class to deliver, I began to scribble. By the time it was my turn I had a poem ready, stepped forward, and recited. I attributed it to Anonymous, she said good job. With much relief I returned to my seat.

    That was my second attempt at creative writing, the first being when I was about ten I wrote a script for a Thanksgiving pageant/play at the little one room school I attended at the time.

    Though rhymes have regularly gone through my head since I was very young, I did not write another poem until I was out of high school. So it is no surprise that you did not know I wrote poetry.

    The guys I hung out with would have looked at me as if I was crazy had I spewed out my thoughts. So, being shy in the bargain, I kept my mouth shut.

    Thank you very much for the compliment. I am glad for you that you too remain alive to enjoy life's blessings. Our class has dwindled.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Jun 13, 2011, at 10:58 PM
  • Pensive huh, Slater? Good word, good feeling. Thanks pal. Stop by on the way, your next trip up to your old stomping grounds, if you have an opportunity to do so.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Jun 13, 2011, at 11:04 PM
  • Meditative might be closer to it, you think?

    Thanks for the invite. One of these times...

    And if you're ever of a mind to see how us more southerly-living city dwellers while away the time, come on down! :)

    -- Posted by Slater on Tue, Jun 14, 2011, at 9:47 AM
  • Slater: Might make a run down that way next year, we usually go somewhere every other year. Thank you, it would be fun. Next years are in short supply at my age. ;)

    Yup to meditative re: the poem. Like most of em I write they have one (or more) main themes, and several sub themes. Kinda like a river, and its many branches. The branches each flow differently, some with greater strength than others. Hopefully they all do flow. Stagnance ain't cool.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Jun 14, 2011, at 10:47 AM
  • SC the thought has occured to me that the old...well that teacher, may have upon occasion scared compliance into a few, which may have been beneficial. I say, may have been beneficial, and that grudgingly.

    By the way, do I know the rapid memorizer? If you say yes, I have an idea who that was. If it is who I think you were referencing, the experience in that class room may have had the side benefit of preparing him to handle the drill instructors he later encountered. ;)

    I noted while in that class that she had an affinity for tearing into those students who were, in her mind, of a lesser class than others. She did have her pets.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Jun 14, 2011, at 2:22 PM
  • SC you prompted another story that relates to that teacher. She had a friend, an older male teacher. This platonic friend, and she often walked about together, and talked, sometimes whispering. I also had him as a teacher that uneven eigth grade year. I think I can go ahead, and tell this one, partly because they were both single, had no progeny, and are long dead.

    I had my difficulties in her class, but nothing compared to the open warfare between he, and I in eigth grade math.

    I despised him, it was mutual. All year long, when his head was down, as he sat at his desk, I would roll little balls of clay, throw them up on the textured ceiling above his desk where they would cling, for a second, or so. I would then quickly stick my face in my book. The ball of clay would then fall on his desk. Once in awhile it would drop on his head. Score! He never caught me though I believe I was his primary suspect, partially because of other misbehavior. One quarter he awarded me the only F that I ever recieved. Heck, even his dear friend gave me a C.

    I sometimes wondered if at times they were whispering about me. ;)

    The next year I took first year algebra, and was at the very top of my class. In freshman english I received E grades (equivalent of today's A). It makes a difference when one likes one's teacher, instead of the opposite.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Jun 14, 2011, at 3:23 PM
  • One more thing before I leave this topic, of which I have written at the least, a few sentences more than I should have.

    I was an ignorant socially immature kid at the time the described events occured. Many of the stupid things I did then, would not have occured, had I then, even a modicum of maturity.

    Also, in defense of those of whom I wrote, I am sure there are many children who profited from their teaching efforts. For me, and some others, it just was not a good fit.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Jun 14, 2011, at 5:01 PM
  • Oklahoma Reader--I think I spent four years of high school with you in some of the classes. Do you still spend your summers in a Colorado camp ground? Looks like we will be seeing eachother again this fall at yet another class reunion. There seems to be getting fewer of us each reunion so we must make the best of it!!

    -- Posted by farmerwife on Tue, Jun 14, 2011, at 5:03 PM
  • SC, I thought so. Tell him hi for me. :) I think he was about as ornery as I was...well may be not, he was actually a good kid.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Jun 14, 2011, at 7:04 PM
  • Sorry farmerwife, I think you may have mistaken me for D. A. As far as I know he doesn't write on this blog. His older brother used to.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Jun 14, 2011, at 7:09 PM
  • Which is not to say farmerswife, that you didn't attend some classes with me in four years of high school. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Jun 14, 2011, at 7:16 PM
  • Oklahoma Reader, I really think you are JW as DA lived in Florida--anyway it is really interesting to read your comments and find out that you are a poet!!!

    -- Posted by farmerwife on Tue, Jun 14, 2011, at 10:01 PM
  • Guess again farmerwife, and thank you.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Jun 14, 2011, at 11:03 PM
  • You know our individual identities on this blog aren't really important. For instance members of the Marshall High class of 1958, have grown, and changed so much since then, that there is a good chance that we hardly recognize ourselves as the same persons who walked out of there on that spring night in 1958. So long ago.

    It would be interesting to me to know how many of that class write on this blog. So if any do that have not said so, let us know.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Jun 14, 2011, at 11:12 PM
  • It appears there are at least three (from the current conversation). Not bad fifty three years later.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Jun 14, 2011, at 11:16 PM
  • I have an idea that few from Slater, if any, post here.

    -- Posted by Slater on Tue, Jun 14, 2011, at 11:31 PM
  • Lived Marshall and Slater

    here I mostly lurk

    rarely post

    too much work

    -- Posted by ceh_meh@verizon.net on Wed, Jun 15, 2011, at 1:05 AM
  • Hello and good day. I have been lurking around the site and noticed that people complain there isn't much in Marshall. So my question is, if someone was going to open a new business in Marshall what would the town like to see? I don't want to start a restaurant or a bar but rather something useful to the community.

    -- Posted by Motor Mouth on Wed, Jun 15, 2011, at 8:44 AM
  • I would like to see a used book store or even a candy store . Not sure if those would do well in a small town like ours . Coming from the central valley in california , they did very well and I do miss not being able to shop at those special places .

    -- Posted by ambsun on Wed, Jun 15, 2011, at 9:02 AM
  • I'd like to see a new, clean, up-to-date bowling alley... or a christian bookstore..... or a modern coffee shop/bookstore (not Starbucks, but offering similar things).

    -- Posted by luvthoseowls on Wed, Jun 15, 2011, at 11:50 AM
  • I would also like to see a Christian Book Store and a really good steak house.

    -- Posted by gardenflower79 on Wed, Jun 15, 2011, at 12:05 PM
  • Yes- and a good family restaurant like Perkins or Country Kitchen....oh sorry, we weren't supposed to wish for restaurants. I guess I'm hungry.

    -- Posted by luvthoseowls on Wed, Jun 15, 2011, at 2:59 PM
  • Funny CEH. Did I inspire you? (rhetorical question) No need to reply. I wouldn't want to overwork you. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Jun 15, 2011, at 3:59 PM
  • I can't seem to find a summer job for anything! Who's hiring?

    -- Posted by dhok on Wed, Jun 15, 2011, at 4:37 PM
  • This is amazing to me.

    Within the last month I have been blown off by two local contractors regarding some work on my property. They were small jobs, but they were paying jobs. One came by,looked at the job and took some measurements for materials on the first job and to quote on an even larger secondary project.

    We han an agreement to do the small job of maybe two hours later that week and he would then give me his quote on the larger job.

    I never heard from them again. Not even a phone call. This has been a couple of weeks ago.

    Yesterday, I had yet another local contractor who agreed to come by that afternoon and look at another small but paying project. Again, I never heard a word or got a phone call.

    What the hell is wrong with people?

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Jun 15, 2011, at 7:46 PM
  • OKR, either he's worn to a frazzle by all that genealogy work, or BEH hands him a foot-long honey-do list. lol

    -- Posted by Slater on Wed, Jun 15, 2011, at 10:19 PM
  • OH! Hi CH! Didn't know you were here! :)

    -- Posted by Slater on Wed, Jun 15, 2011, at 10:21 PM
  • WTF, I know what you're saying. I've been dealing with the very same for the past several months. Can't even get people to show up to bid the work, or when someone does, I never get a price. It's amazing!

    -- Posted by Slater on Wed, Jun 15, 2011, at 10:24 PM
  • yup wtf,it can be a real pain in the neck to find an honest one,let alone one that will show up! had a roofing contractor come by and bid a job, guaranteed to work for my flat roof. come time to do the job and he had pawned it off to his "daddy" because it was a smaller job and I guess he did not wanna deal with it. long story short, the roof leaks as much as ever, yet the man I HIRED says "you'll have to take it up with "daddy".now neither one will respond....tired of being screwed over by these guys after practically begging them to do the work in the first place!!

    -- Posted by wheresthelove on Wed, Jun 15, 2011, at 10:34 PM
  • I hope some of our local contractors are reading this. If you don't want the work then just say so.

    If I can't take you at your word then I can't take you at all. I've decided to save my money and do it myself.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Jun 15, 2011, at 11:00 PM
  • Senator Bernie Sanders introduces a bill to stop rampant oil speculation 9the cause of our unnecessarily high gas prices.http://blog.buzzflash.com/node/12773

    Another case of the independent left looking out for the welfare of American citizens. It's a hard job, but thankfully a few are up to it.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Jun 16, 2011, at 12:18 AM
  • Link to my prior post made easy. http://blog.buzzflash.com/node/12773

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Jun 16, 2011, at 12:20 AM
  • Meanwhile the Republican controlled House of Representatives is passing a bill to make it easier on the oil speculators.http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2011/06/14/115792/house-ready-to-slash-funding-for.html

    When will we the people begin to pay attention enough to understand who is really looking out for our interests?

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Jun 16, 2011, at 12:30 AM
  • OKR... I am just curious... exactly how do "oil speculators" cause our problems with high oil. When you consider that the majority of our oil comes from a CARTEL... not even CLOSE to an open market because they manipulate their export rates to what ever they want. AND when you consider the natural disasters that disrupt oil supply in other locations such as the Gulf of Mexico.

    There are TONS of other factors. Dont speculators help to regulate, or even out, the up and down price of oil. IF they did not have speculators, the price of oil would be more irratic and have greater ups and downs.

    If you disagree, then please provide some data that shows exactly how "oil speculators" are somehow evil.

    -- Posted by mrxray on Thu, Jun 16, 2011, at 1:29 PM
  • OKR... so you think it is the government's job to regulate diet? What other things do you want the government to do for you? Do you need a nanny state to be able to make good choices, or to eliminate choices? The problem with our entitlement/welfare system is that we breed generation after generation that is INCAPABLE of making decisions for their selves and when they do make choices, the bad choices do not have real consequences. There are no consequences because the liberal crowd is trying to make "fair" by social "justice" engineering when REALITY is that life is UNFAIR and no amount of regulation or laws or entitlement programs will make life fair. No outcome is guaranteed, good or bad and not all people will have good outcomes. Bad luck, poor planning, and other things will prevent some people from succeeding and good luck, good planning and other things will grant some people success. HOWEVER, in many cases good planning is tied up with bad luck and can create failure or major obstacles.

    I see this in the health care field all the time. It is a RARE person, especially if the patient is medicaid, that will utilize family doctors for routine and non-urgent health care issues. People more often than not, will have a minor health issue for several days and NOT attend an appointment with a family doctor, and instead they will come to the ER, often in the middle of the night.

    When you question these people about why they did not go see a family doctor for a routine office visit, their answers are one of the following; "I dont have a family doctor", "I thought it was an emergency" "I dont have money to pay the co-pay for a routine office visit"

    And I am talking about ER visits for a cough they have had for 3 weeks, a toothache that they have had for months, a runny nose for 4 days, a rash for a week.

    In the hospitals where I have worked/am working the ER is NOT overly busy with REAL emergent or urgent health problems. They are over run with routine health care problems that SHOULD be treated in a doctor's office. They cannot even use the excuse that they could not leave work because there are several doctors that see patients up til 8pm.

    The problem is that the entitlement state of our society EXPECTS everyone else to provide for them, the government to provide for them and they have no financial consequences applied to them for when they abuse the system or make a BAD choice of when to go to the ER. They have the magic red card that they wave so they do not have to pay at the ER and there is NO CHOICE to be made because there ARE NO CONSEQUENCES.

    I am tired of people trying to find a villian in everything...

    IF you have ANY business sense can you PLEASE explain to me exactly how you would run a business where you have a cost for a product or service figured out so you know a price you will charge to cover that cost and to make a profit so you can either make money for yourself OR so you can reinvest in your business or both. THEN just when you get mildly successful suddenly the government comes by and tells you that they are forcing you to only charge them 60% less, BUT this amount is LESS than the cost of production of your product. THEN every few months the government come back and reduces the amount that they are paying you for this product. Exactly HOW would you go about recovering enough "profit" to cover the forced, mandatory underpayments that the goverment are giving you?

    For all that are bashing the big evil "profiteers" in the medical industry, you know those same people who cry about demanding that any and all medical treatment being available at a moments notice no matter the cost, can you PLEASE explain how a medical facility, doctor's office or hospital can do business when the government is severely undercutting their reimbursements and when they are continually reducing those amounts?

    The REAL LIFE situation without spin is that yes there are some health care entities that answer to boards where the boards get some sort of financial reward.. possibly, but MANY are small rural hospitals who are forced to abide by the same rules that larger more corporate facilities are. The REALITY is that in the hospital where I am working just got told that all medicare/medicaid reimbursements from the government will be reduced from %56%, give or take a percent, to 46% give or take a percent.

    For all you wise and all knowing people who are bashing the medical industry, can you please explain how you would run YOUR business if this was happening to YOU?

    I can tell you what is happening in the REAL WORLD, without all the liberal spin.... layoffs. Every time the government reduces reimbursements there are jobs lost and MOST are nurses and ancillary staff who make less than 75K and most make less than 50K a year. Who do you think gets laid off the most? Those staff members with the most experience and higher pay or those with the least experience and lower pay? What happens to the quality of the medical care when hospitals are laying off people and often it is the most experienced/higher paid people who get laid off? Or if there are less staff members to take care of patients, do you think that more or less medicine errors will occur?

    The problem is not the health care industry but the interference that the government have caused over and over and over by gearing regulations NOT toward patient care but toward various special interest groups throughout the past 50 years or so.

    This does not even get into the whole aspect of how far into debt our nation is by all of the unfunded mandates and entitlements that we have that are all piling up to keep our economy in the sad shape that it is in.

    -- Posted by mrxray on Thu, Jun 16, 2011, at 2:01 PM
  • lol NEWS... I never stated that we dont need the FDA... lol what I stated was that we dont need FDA to make every single choice for us

    -- Posted by mrxray on Thu, Jun 16, 2011, at 2:03 PM
  • OKR... it was MRS Obama and her school diet program that forced an elimination of a portion of the WIC monies..............

    -- Posted by mrxray on Thu, Jun 16, 2011, at 2:07 PM
  • MrXray, this nation is in debt because of all the wars, not because of entitlements.

    Eliminating unnecessary entitlements is a proper thing to do.

    Modifying useful entitlements which are grossly out of balance is a proper thing to do.

    Ending taxpayer subsidies to greedy oil companies, banks, and big businesses capable of paying their own way is the proper thing to do.

    Expecting to balance the budget by eliminating all entitlement programs? No way!

    Ending the institutional belief that America is the world's police department is the proper thing to do.

    Making the greed merchants pay - in dollars and jail time - is the proper thing to do.

    Ending the hypocrisy that we know as Washington politics is the proper thing to do.

    I could go on, but Editor Crump may already be grumbling about your marathon monologue.

    -- Posted by Slater on Thu, Jun 16, 2011, at 5:06 PM
  • X-ray you said, "OKR... it was MRS Obama and her school diet program that forced an elimination of a portion of the WIC monies"

    I say balderdash. In a society not entirely hard hearted, there is money for both. Forced elimination of programs for kids, as we give tax breaks to the rich (in the immediate sense), and misguided foreign wars(in the longer sense) are what saps our country's children of needed programs.

    One other thing, if we continue to not prepare our children properly, we are cutting our own throats. We must realize that as we age as a society, there are going to be fewer, and fewer productive citizens to take care of us when aged. Obviously each must reach her/his maximum ability to take care of our tired, sorry old butts.

    Never forget: what goes around, comes around.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Jun 16, 2011, at 6:20 PM
  • Nice piece Slater. I didn't read yours before I wrote mine.Looks to me like a blast from both barrels of the same shotgun, huh? ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Jun 16, 2011, at 6:28 PM
  • The same 10 gauge, OKR, but in fairness to MrXray, I don't doubt he sees the same sorry state of affairs and you and I.

    I picture MrXray and myself down at the river, working alongside others to battle the rising floowwaters. He holds the sandbag in such a way that I have trouble getting the sand into it, and when it's my turn to hold the bag, I hold it in such a way that he has trouble getting the sand into it.

    We both want the same outcome, but don't always agree on the method.

    -- Posted by Slater on Thu, Jun 16, 2011, at 9:14 PM
  • X ray: Your question as to how oil speculators effect prices. I have covered that ground several times on this blog, and its companion blogs. I am not going to rehash it again. Just google "how oil speculators effect prices", and get yourself an education.

    Regarding your overly long prior post; short answer, medicare for everybody with a payment schedule that is fair to the care givers. At the present many care givers won't accept medicare, nor medicaid. If it is the only game in town they will. That will empty the emergency rooms.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Jun 16, 2011, at 11:35 PM
  • Slater you are not as harsh as I am. I would alter your analogy to say that the problem is that Xray is shoveling something other than sand, which leaves you holding the bag, in a manner you had not envisioned. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Jun 16, 2011, at 11:40 PM
  • Full emergency rooms because people are stupid Mr. X-ray?

    Do you think that the fact that two thirds of public insured children were unable to get a doctor appointment for medical conditions requiring outpatient specialty care, and that only roughly ten percent of kids with private insurance and the same symptoms had that problem, would have an effect on the over run emergency rooms? That is only one example of a pattern that is rife within our medical system. You can't excuse Doctors that refuse to treat from compounding the problem.

    Maybe you should consider that it is not all the fault of the common man because they are stupid, and that greed on the part of the elite plays an even larger roll. http://www.thewashingtoncurrent.com/2011/06/physicians-turn-away-two-thirds-of-k...

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Jun 17, 2011, at 1:20 AM
  • "MARSHALL IS MUSIC!!" Attended the Municipal Band concert last night and it was just great. Loved the music and I would encourage everyone to place the concerts on their calendar for the rest of the summer. This is the 90th year for the MMB and "Uncle Sammy" and I just love it!! Every Thursday evening at 7:30 p.m. on the courthouse lawn, or at the First Methodist Church in the event of wet weather.

    -- Posted by OldOwl on Fri, Jun 17, 2011, at 8:56 AM
  • 102 degrees here right now. It would be nice to be in cooler Marshall at the moment sitting on a porch, cool one in hand, watching life slowly go by. Hah, when I was there, and a young fellow, I did not think anything ever could be cool about a small town.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Jun 17, 2011, at 6:24 PM
  • OKR, it's only 101 here.


    and the livin' is easy.

    Fish are jumpin'

    and the cotton is high...

    -- Posted by Slater on Fri, Jun 17, 2011, at 7:21 PM
  • Down to 93 now. Whew!

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Jun 17, 2011, at 9:40 PM
  • 81 F at 1227am

    -- Posted by Slater on Sat, Jun 18, 2011, at 12:26 AM
  • Can you believe the first half of the second year of the second decade of the 21st century is about ended?

    Oh yeah, I remember all the hand-wringing going on over the approaching Y2K computer crash. Partied like it was 1159pm 1999.

    Anybody got any extra cicada ice cream for sale?

    -- Posted by Slater on Sat, Jun 18, 2011, at 12:34 AM
  • 102 will you beat it in S. A. Slater?

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Jun 18, 2011, at 4:15 PM
  • Currently 103 being reported here - 445pm

    -- Posted by Slater on Sat, Jun 18, 2011, at 4:45 PM
  • My computer has gotten very sluggish in the last few minutes. The fiber optic wires must be melting.

    Remember how the blacktop got nice and soft during days like this one? I always went barefoot in the summer, and it always felt so odd when I stepped on that stuff and my feet would sink in. Wasn't sticky, just really soft. We'd go around looking for places to put our footprints in.

    -- Posted by Slater on Sat, Jun 18, 2011, at 4:51 PM
  • Yup about the black top Slater. Even earlier, when I was a toddler, defining everything by taste, I learned that it had a chewy consistency with a top note of licorice, followed by subtleties of oak, and a base of rosemary. ;)

    104, can you top that?

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Jun 18, 2011, at 5:09 PM
  • I missed the peak temp - right now it's 101. It's been so hot that I've had to put out the rubber snakes for effect.

    Gross about eating blacktop! :) I suppose I tried my share of non-edible things, too.

    -- Posted by Slater on Sat, Jun 18, 2011, at 7:46 PM
  • To everyone of the male gender with offspring, Happy Father's Day!

    It's a tie, OKR. 104 here, too.

    -- Posted by Slater on Sat, Jun 18, 2011, at 11:35 PM
  • Fire season started today with a small one that was under control within an hour. My neighbor and I watched the planes drop their retardant and then bank over our houses. I estimate the fire to be about two miles from my house.

    -- Posted by ceh_meh@verizon.net on Sun, Jun 19, 2011, at 2:37 AM
  • Hi can anyone tell me if the Hab center is going to be doing there fireworks show this year and when ? Also any info on marshall fireworks show at Indian Foothills . There was no info on calender of events . Thanks :)

    -- Posted by ambsun on Sun, Jun 19, 2011, at 4:53 PM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    We haven't gotten a news release from MHC yet, but I believe they are doing the annual Independence Day festivities. It's always on the Thursday before, so it will likely be June 30 this year.
  • Okay Thank You Eric :)

    -- Posted by ambsun on Sun, Jun 19, 2011, at 9:02 PM
  • Hope every father had a blessed Father's Day. I know that I did and thanks to my children.

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sun, Jun 19, 2011, at 10:18 PM
  • I don't believe it! Nobody had anything to say yesterday?

    On another note, I see that Marshall may become the temporary home of a new business. Maybe if the good people of Marshall treat the company well, the company owners will remember when it comes time to expand or relocate their business. Opportunity only knocks once, they say.

    -- Posted by TerryM on Tue, Jun 21, 2011, at 2:11 PM
  • Some, if not all, of our local National Guard was set to deploy to Joplin to help out. Now, I am told, they aren't going. It seems like the State has ran out of money and cannot reimburse the Guard.


    What gives???

    -- Posted by red dog on Tue, Jun 21, 2011, at 6:00 PM
  • My contribution for this day:


    -- Posted by Slater on Wed, Jun 22, 2011, at 8:38 PM
  • slater.... can you tell me where I stated that we should end all entitlements altogether? My point was not that any and all entitlements are inherently evil and do no good... my point was that the current environment of entitlements does NOTHING to SOLVE the problem they are supposed to be addressing. Welfare does NOT help very many people get out of poverty. Food stamps, WIC, etc does NOTHING to solve the obstacles in life that cause poverty. Unemployment benefits that politicians can vote to extend for unlimited amounts of time does nothing to solve unemployment and the list goes on and on. In fact, one a person grows accustomed to living the welfare/entitlement lifestyle, they more often than not sit back and let Joe Taxpayer continue to fund and provide all things for them. Then they have kids that grow up living the lifestyle, going to the required appointments, watching their parents utilize food stamps and cash the "guberment" checks and they associate that as NORMAL and DESIRED lifestyle and there are FEW repercussions for when they abuse the system and what consequences there are there is no real effort to enforce those consequences.

    The reality is this... for those of you trying to DODGE the REALITY of entitlment addiction that our nation has from national and international corporation bailouts, to bailouts for financial businesses, to Government motors bailouts, to welfare handouts and unemployment handouts and instead want to blame it on wars, you are missing the fact these are two separate issues and addressing the wars does NOT relate to the issue of how our society is addicted to entitlements and handouts and is extremely FAILING in the area of personal responsibility, suffering cosequences for our bad choices, planning for worst case scenarios such as what happens if we get laid off, what happens if we get a catestrophic illness, what happens if. Instead of making GOOD LIFE CHOICES and planning for those worst case scenarios we want Uncle Same to provide for us and what things we cannot get for the government we expect that they be provided for us at the expense of the providers for artificially low prices covering the extreme amount of services. THEN when we get hit with one of those what ifs, we cry and scream and have to find someone to blame... usually big oil, big insurance, and etc.

    the stupid politically correctness ideal that is sweeping America is partly to blame... sometimes the embarassing stigmatism caused by bad choices you make in life is a GOOD THING because it provides many people a motiviation to make good choices... but we are quickly eliminating ALL motiviations for good choices because there ARE NO bad consequences for our bad choices because the bleending heart liberals are trying to force the government make all of our choice for us

    -- Posted by mrxray on Thu, Jun 23, 2011, at 11:57 AM
  • OKR and Slater... I know you are both just being contrary... lol

    I am totally in favor of SEVERE entitlement reform. There should be STRICT guidelines and STRICT Follow up, and STRICT consequences for abuse and fraud and waste. AND it should be a VERY short time period for you to utilize tax payer funded monies for assistance.

    You are still ignoring the reality of just how severe the abuse of the entitlements are.

    Back to my original post... which you BOTH willfully chose to ignore.... IF you are a business owner and you are trying to provide a service to people, especially trying to provide care for elderly and poor people because you are a caring individual how are you going to continue to provide QUALITY and QUANTITY of services when the GOVERNMENT ALWAYS initially promises an adequate reimbursement only to then turn around and continually reduce the amount that they are reimbursing you.

    CURRENTLY this summer/early fall, medical facilities are being FORCED to accept reimbursements that are dropping from mid 50% to the mid 40% rates. Can you as a business owner run a business where the government FORCES you to accept less than 50% of what your goods are services are worth based on your cost, your time, while at the same time trying to NOT lay off staff members or reduce the services provided to your customer base? All while knowing that any moment the government can continue to reimburse you at lower and lower rates? THAT is ridiculous.

    Basically by ignoring the FACTS that surround a medical business you are ignoring THE major problem affecting health care. It is not the increasing cost of health care, nor the high cost of health care. It is the interference by the government for 50+ years in the business of medcine that has CAUSED the increase. Heck, you cannot even find information about cost and quality comparisons between doctors or facilities for common services and procedures. Politicians, mostly lawyers REFUSE to address tort reform. They REFUSE to allow open competition across the nation and the list goes on and on.

    You can bash me over and over all you want for stating that reform will NEVER happen successfully in the entitlement arena until we force people to accept the consequences of their choices and actions with REAL punishments that hit them in their pocketbooks or removal from the entitlement programs for varying lengths of time.

    -- Posted by mrxray on Thu, Jun 23, 2011, at 1:53 PM
  • So in short... which I uncapable of doing on a routine basis.... if you were a business owner and you have a set price of 100 bucks for a service and the government comes along and FORCES you to accept 60 bucks with the knowledge that they will come around every few years or months and reduce that amount by 2-3 percent so that 10 years down the road you are being forced to accept 40 bucks for that same service when inflation and cost of doing business is inflated due to high oil costs and high food costs and high supply costs would YOU be able to stay in business or would you have to lay off people, stop proving that service or would you just quit providing that service to the goverment and only accept people with private insurance or self pay?

    THIS is a SIMPLE business concept. if you cannot sell your product to make a profit above the costs of producing that product then you will NOT be in business for very long without changing something.

    -- Posted by mrxray on Thu, Jun 23, 2011, at 1:57 PM
  • I think you missed a line in my comment XR.

    "Regarding your overly long prior post; short answer, medicare for everybody with a payment schedule that is fair to the care givers. At the present many care givers won't accept medicare, nor medicaid. If it is the only game in town they will. That will empty the emergency rooms."


    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Jun 23, 2011, at 4:20 PM
  • Way to go MrXray. I couldn't have said it better myself.

    -- Posted by waterman7622 on Thu, Jun 23, 2011, at 5:07 PM
  • nandot... so your solution is all about pharma? AND on that issue you want the government to just set more reimbursement rates based on whims of politicians and NOT the real cost of Research and development and testing of new drugs? Now I am a believer that the pharma industry needs revamped BUT we allow the government to set rates they will pay for drugs when we ALL know those rates will be reduced over and over at the whim of politicians so that the drug companies will not have the funds and therefore not have the desire to research new drugs. That goes back to the same principal I was talking about with the medical facilities... could YOU run a business where politicians dictated to you what you could charge for a good or service knowing that they would come back year after year and continue to reduce that rate? AGAIN avoiding the answer to the actual question IS the liberal way.... lol

    -- Posted by mrxray on Thu, Jun 23, 2011, at 5:56 PM
  • nanadot... you are buying that statistical sleight of hands used to claim medicare overhead is only 3% and that this rate is comparable to the rate of private insurance companies?


    Medicare is devoted to serving a population that is elderly, and therefore in need of greater levels of medical care, it generates significantly higher expenditures than private insurance plans, thus making administrative costs smaller as a percentage of total costs. This creates the appearance that Medicare is a model of administrative efficiency. What Jon Alter sees as a "miracle" is really just a statistical sleight of hand.

    Furthermore, Book notes that private insurers have a number of additional expenditures which fall into the category of "administrative costs" (like state health insurance premium taxes of 2-4%, marketing costs, etc) that Medicare does not have, further inflating the apparent differences in cost.

    But, as you might expect, when you compare administrative costs on a per-person basis, Medicare is dramatically less efficient than private insurance plans. As you can see here, between 2001-2005, Medicare's administrative costs on a per-person basis were 24.8% higher, on average, than private insurers.

    http://timerealclearpolitics.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/admincosts1.gif This shows that Medicare is higher....than private

    -- Posted by mrxray on Thu, Jun 23, 2011, at 6:02 PM
  • But there's a bigger point -- the connection between "low" administrative costs and staggeringly HIGH levels of fraud and waste. As Michael Cannon at the Cato Institute and Regina Herzlinger at Harvard Business School have pointed out, much of the 10 to 20 percent of private insurance administrative costs goes to preventing fraud. Private insurers, you see, care about whether or not they lose money. Medicare, with its unlimited claim on the public purse, does not. It's only taxpayer money, after all.

    The results are predictable, but breathtaking nonetheless: an estimated $68 billion (with a B) in outright Medicare fraud every year (About $3 billion in Miami-Dade county ALONE.) On top of that, according to well-respected Dartmouth researchers, roughly a third of Medicare's total $400 billion annual spending goes to procedures which were medically unnecessary

    -- Posted by mrxray on Thu, Jun 23, 2011, at 6:03 PM
  • lol OKR.... again you are ignoring that "payment schedule that is fair to providers" in an imaginary amount that will NOT be set in stone and will be the FIRST thing that politicians target when the tax payers cannot fund an all encompassing health care system. POLITICIANS will be the ones who set that amount, polticians will be the ones who change that number just as they are doing over and over and over and over with the exact same concept that you are talking about....

    PS I LIKE my long posts...

    -- Posted by mrxray on Thu, Jun 23, 2011, at 6:06 PM
  • PPS... Okr I am just trying to be like News

    -- Posted by mrxray on Thu, Jun 23, 2011, at 6:09 PM
  • What are the firework guidelines/rules in Slater? When can people start shooting off fireworks?

    -- Posted by brmihe on Fri, Jun 24, 2011, at 12:38 PM
  • I have no idea how many readers of this forum believe in the freedom of speech, but for all of you who do, this is for you:


    A move is underway in Washington to give Internet Service Providers the right to decide about what content its subscribers will be allowed to view. Demand Progress is not advocating for the continuation of pornographic sites, per se; rather, its objection is to the power mongers and greed merchants gaining even greater control over the American people.

    Have a look and then sign the petition if you're so inclined.

    -- Posted by Slater on Fri, Jun 24, 2011, at 8:57 PM
  • Thanks Slater. I signed it. My believe is that we need to defend our eroding freedoms at every opportunity.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Jun 25, 2011, at 12:24 AM
  • Thanks for joining the fight against the political carps, OKR.

    I figure this is like dominos - if they get that first freedom tumped over, others will surely follow.

    -- Posted by Slater on Sat, Jun 25, 2011, at 1:05 AM
  • i wonder how many of you all that are so called for our freedoms voted for obama remember he doesnt believe you and i should own guns and if i remember that is our second freedom.

    -- Posted by bc65340 on Sat, Jun 25, 2011, at 12:27 PM
  • Guess you didn't read the link.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Jun 25, 2011, at 1:32 PM
  • OKR, my turn to be the harsh one.

    I guess he doesn't read. Period. He tunes his televison and radio to the gossip spreaders and takes what they say as gospel.

    So, which is it, BC? Do you, or do you not, read to learn about what goes on in the world beyond the 65340 city limits?

    -- Posted by Slater on Sat, Jun 25, 2011, at 2:14 PM
  • Sorry to change the subect but, Eric, when are

    you going to post the rest of the MHS grad pictures? On Photos 5/27/11 you said "More to

    Come". It has been a month now and many are still


    -- Posted by Cat Lover on Sat, Jun 25, 2011, at 2:45 PM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    I did about a week ago. Sorry it took so long.
  • bc65340, you said, "wonder how many of you all that are so called for our freedoms voted for obama remember he doesnt believe you and i should own guns and if i remember that is our second freedom."

    Please provide evidence to support your statement. It is my understanding that President Obama has sponsored no new gun laws during his time in office, nor has he given priority to any new gun laws during his time in office. Nor have their been any new gun laws since he has been in office.

    I think that you are in error when you say "he doesn't believe you and i should own guns"

    Here is a Fox News link that supports what I have said. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/05/28/obama-administration-eyeing-gun-contr...

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Jun 25, 2011, at 5:47 PM
  • For those of you scratching your heads at what appears to be a disconnect, I made a statement, and bc65340 responded. Both were deleted by the Editor. I have restated my point, and welcome bc65340 to do the same.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Jun 25, 2011, at 6:08 PM
  • Good job Nanadot... AGAIN failed to address my question/point but avoid evade and dance around. LOL

    -- Posted by mrxray on Sun, Jun 26, 2011, at 12:53 PM
  • oklahoma,

    This trick has been used for decades trying to get gun owners all up tight. The NRA would probably lose lots of money if the news you spoke of got out to the general public.

    -- Posted by cheesehead on Sun, Jun 26, 2011, at 1:29 PM
  • Whale's odyssey sheds light on climate change, scientists say

    'The implications are enormous. It's a threshold that has been crossed'


    -- Posted by cheesehead on Sun, Jun 26, 2011, at 1:35 PM
  • And that CH is precisely why it is the duty of responsible people to at every opportunity, counter fabrication with truth.

    Thank you for your efforts in that regard.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Jun 26, 2011, at 1:38 PM
  • -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Jun 26, 2011, at 4:54 PM
  • In regards to the recent discussion about Obama, guns etc. You might like this cartoon. It's done by one of Marshall's own and created quite a stir I'm told.


    -- Posted by What the f...... on Sun, Jun 26, 2011, at 4:56 PM
  • OKR,

    I usually enjoy your links, because they always make me think, but I have to call you on this one. Reading one article in the Huffington Post (Green, no less), which quotes scientists from "Earth Open Source" hardly makes someone an "informed judge." That's like saying reading an article about President Obama on Fox News.com, using the Tea Party as a source, makes one "informed."

    Roundup has been on the market since 1976, and has been very heavily used by farmers (and homeowners) safely, especially since 1996. The mere fact it (and the generic glysophate) has been blamed for so little is very telling.

    Of course, any pesticide can be unsafe if used improperly, but as pesticides go, Roundup is pretty benign.

    I also find it very telling this "scientific" group is from Europe, where they are soon planning on approving the use of some genetically modified crops. And why would they do that? Simple, Europe is no longer able to feed their own people. They are falling behind at the same time population is growing.

    Although some people are afraid automatically of GMO products, I have spoke to many scientists who work with GMO crops on a regular basis. I asked each of them off the record if they would feed GMO products to their children. Not one hesitated, and each said, Yes, without any doubt.

    I really wish people who don't like GMO crops or even pesticides, would spend their time, resources and science in finding a better way to feed our world's growing population instead of just trying to make people afraid.

    In the meantime, people, even here in America, are going hungry and many more will as our population rises. I prefer to listen to the science of someone who actually saved millions of people, the late Norman Borlaug.http://www.torontoglobalist.org/2010/11/24/the-man-that-saved-a-billion-lives-norman-borlaug-gmos/

    Interestingly, environmental groups try to stop him from using non-organic fertilizers. And long before that, some groups were upset about "grafting" trees.

    I'm not for just "jumping in" blindly in new technology, but with Roundup, I think we're relatively safe.

    -- Posted by Marcia Gorrell on Sun, Jun 26, 2011, at 8:10 PM
  • Marcia I merely posed the question is Roundup safe? Then I provided one link to information that indicates there are potential dangers in its use. I closed by stating you be the informed judge i.e., make up your own mind after reading this information. Assuming that you read the article, you have done just that.

    My purpose in posting it was that I thought some folks would appreciate the heads up, and explore the leads to further information provided at the link. Or, even reconsider their use of the product based on what they found in that article.

    I have not used it for any purpose in over fifteen years, last using it on poison ivy. In my small piece of organic yard and garden it really has not caused much inconvenience.

    On occasion recently, I have been trying to take a tack of giving a heads up regarding potential problems, as opposed to taking an announced position on the issue, and promoting that position. This is one of those occasions.

    Another was a while back I called attention to problems at two nuclear facilities near Omaha Nebraska. I noted on mainstream news this evening that there is now growing concern about those facilities.

    My wish is that each just take any heads up I post for what it is worth to them.

    Marcia I for one, and I think you, are most comfortable with decisions made after considering as many factors pro, and con as are available.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Jun 26, 2011, at 11:58 PM
  • So, I suppose homeowners who use fertilizers on their lawns are still being accused of causing the dead zone in the Gulf of Mexico.

    -- Posted by Slater on Mon, Jun 27, 2011, at 12:09 AM
  • How many would like more bags of Roundup-resistant soybeans?

    If Roundup is so safe, why is there such a thing?

    Tangential: Take a closer look at food labels and note how many products contain soybeans.

    There's a guy in the Kansas City area who has 300 crop-producing acres. Each spring he sprays those 300 acres with Roundup, killing everything, then later he goes back and plants his Roundup-resistant soybeans. Every year he does this, year after year after year.

    -- Posted by Slater on Mon, Jun 27, 2011, at 12:19 AM
  • Isn't that fertilizer crap what caused the problems at Town & Country Lake with the algea? Just wondering. If not, what did that?

    -- Posted by yogagirl on Mon, Jun 27, 2011, at 12:02 PM
  • ND it appears that public financing of elections, which is supported by many onthe right, and the left will not have a chance until some changes occur on the Corporate Court aka SCOTUS.

    Insane decision yes, but more discouraging is that folks continue to vote for candidates who want more of the same non-representatives on the Supreme Court. There are far too many Corporates claiming to be Conservatives these days. When the day is done they pay lip service to the social issues favored by conservative voters, but devote themselves to passing, and confirming laws that harm all us real people.

    One need look no farther than to ask why is it after all these years that the so called conservative justices have had a majority on the court that Roe v. Wade hasn't been abolished, nor many other things dear to social conservatives, to know that they are not true conservatives, that they are instead corporates.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Jun 27, 2011, at 12:28 PM
  • Yogagirl, I just finished reading up on algae and learned that it forms naturally, like all plants, and that its growth is enhanced by man-made fertilizers.

    Products are available, advertising themselves as being able to get rid of algae "without harm to people, pets, and fish."

    Algae is harvested and coverted to fertilizers, and I guess it has other uses as well.

    There's a long Wiki article about the various types, but the stuff-shirtedness of all the technical descriptions nearly made my head hurt. However, the above is the jist of it.

    Can you imagine how many fertilized yards it would take to kill of a 6000-8000 square-mile area of the Gulf of Mexico?

    -- Posted by Slater on Mon, Jun 27, 2011, at 12:59 PM
  • Smoking Cheetah

    What the farmer in KC is doing is called burn down.They spray the field in the spring to kill weeds and grass, then plant there crops. They do this when they no till the crop so actually are saving money by not having to work the ground as much. Not sure if they use Roundup for this but the do spray after the corn or beans come up to kill new weeds and grass. Also Roundup do have residual effect for a time after it is sprayed and the have a long lasting mix that will kill weeds for up to 3 months.

    -- Posted by sheepdip on Mon, Jun 27, 2011, at 7:21 PM
  • Slater,

    The man with the 300 acres is not alone. More than 90 percent of the soybeans planted in America are sprayed with roundup (or its generic). And a lot of it is done exactly as you describe, especially in no-till, which is how a majority of beans are now planted. It has been this way since 1996. So my point was if RU caused problems, most likely they would have shown up by now. Even before "round up ready" beans, round up was widely used for burn down in no-till as sheepdip said. This conserves soil and is one of the reasons I feel pretty confident saying the amount of chemicals and fertilizers getting into the waterways from farmers is down considerably in the last 25 years. I'm not alone in saying that, as many soil scientists and research has shown the same thing.

    I also wonder who you think has more to gain from "overfertilizing?" A farmer, to whom money saved IS money earned or a lawn service paid everytime they add fertilizer. And that fertilizer if unused goes undiluted straight into the drains in the street. (You know the ones painted with the fish, that says "No chemicals, this goes straight to a waterway."

    We take soil tests usually every year to make sure we only use what is needed. Farmers who use manure to fertilize (organic) have to take soil tests every year so they don't over apply. However, rest assured the deadzone will probably grow this year as thousands of acres of prime farmground (and all the nutrients) in that ground has already ended up in the Missouri and Mississippi Rivers and more is soon to follow. And believe me, the last place farmers want their precious topsoil is in the river.

    And don't forget, just a few years ago, the Corps dumped topsoil from a farm (here in SC) straight into the Missouri as well, because they believe it wasn't "muddy" enough anymore to sustain the pallid sturgeon.

    -- Posted by Marcia Gorrell on Mon, Jun 27, 2011, at 8:20 PM
  • I'm siding with ND's big picture view. Human nature may inevitably do in the human race. When Socrates said, "everything in moderation," his words fell on deaf ears then, and today we continue to disregard the warnings as we abuse our planet and ourselves with reckless abandon, all in the name of "progress."

    Marcia, I remember the day when DDT was thought to be the answer to agricultural issues and certain health problems. My tendency would be for a less hasty stamp of approval for Roundup.

    Oh, to be able to switch off that part(s) of the brain responsible for avaricious and impertinent behaviors!

    -- Posted by Slater on Tue, Jun 28, 2011, at 11:26 AM
  • Slater -- comparing DDT and Roundup is like comparing natural spring water and gasoline or table tennis and football. Two totally different things. DDT came out in 1939 but wasn't widely used until the late 1940s and 1950s. Problems started showing up soon afterwards.

    Like I said, Roundup has been out since 1976 and widely used since 1996. Even in today's instant press world, there have been few negative things written about it. That's hardly what I'd call a "hasty stamp of approval."

    Nanadot -- who knew all these years that myself and most of the farmwives I know were actually "radical housewives?" There would be a lot more of us left working on the farm, if not for that modern convenience called "health insurance."

    As for your other post, I would have a hard time getting out bed every morning if I saw the world in that kind of "glass half-empty" viewpoint. As for your assumption about no-till, that is incorrect. While no doubt, some chemical companies have pushed it to market their products, no-till is most definitely a farmer-invented practice. I once interviewed one of the early inventors who in the early 90s already had no-tilled most of his farms for about 20 years. It became popular here when diesel fuel prices skyrocketed several years ago. Most use it to preserve topsoil and to keep from burning too much "petro."

    -- Posted by Marcia Gorrell on Tue, Jun 28, 2011, at 6:20 PM
  • I have seen this a lot lately. Can someone tell me why people use the term 'myself' instead of me, or I?

    Myself is used when YOU refer to YOURSELF twice in the same sentence; for example..."I did it myself". I know that this seems minor, but it is very poor English. Just wondering, as it seems to be endemic these days.

    It is also polite to say other peoples' names before you say I or....'myself' when in the same sentence.

    ((Jumping off the soapbox.))

    -- Posted by Interested Too on Tue, Jun 28, 2011, at 8:12 PM
  • We will get our pay backs. In times of great ecological upheaval the larger animals go first. We will likely get to say bye to whales, and elephants, but the majority will be around to fill the spaces we left.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Jun 28, 2011, at 10:11 PM
  • Marshall's Indian Foothills Park featured on Yahoo Sports!


    -- Posted by riclin1 on Wed, Jun 29, 2011, at 12:45 PM
  • Does anyone know, what's with all the digging and drilling along College Ave? It doesn't look like MMU doing the work.

    -- Posted by momaster on Wed, Jun 29, 2011, at 3:39 PM
  • Call city offices, for future reference; the number is in the book. For today: 886-2225.

    -- Posted by Interested Too on Wed, Jun 29, 2011, at 4:03 PM
  • A sub-contractor for the phone company is doing all of the work in town. They were in my back yard last week. Torn up my yard with all of the digging. When they were done, my phone did not work! Had to call the phone company. The repairman said it was caused by the sub-contractor, but was an easy fix. Not exactly sure what the work is, but they are making a mess.

    -- Posted by OldOwl on Wed, Jun 29, 2011, at 5:00 PM
  • BigFatGuy areyou still around, or have you high tailed it to Australia?

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Jun 29, 2011, at 10:40 PM
  • ND, some people simply refuse to see things as they truly are.

    To be so high on the IQ scale, humans can at times reason and act in the dumbest of ways.

    -- Posted by Slater on Wed, Jun 29, 2011, at 11:58 PM
  • It's too bad those Friends and Family articles disappear off the front page of the site so fast. That was a great piece yesterday about Mr Westbrook's photography. I went to show it to a friend this morning and it was gone. Had the same problem with another article a few weeks ago. This has become my favorite parts of the paper recently. Keep up the good work!

    -- Posted by Philemon on Thu, Jun 30, 2011, at 8:21 AM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    It's still on page 6 in the print edition Wednesday, June 29. We have extra copies available at the office :-)
  • Expected that response Eric, and I do understand. Problem is, I still have my copy at home also, but have trouble showing that to friends at work and friends from out of town that I only contact online. I rarely read my hard copy, using it mostly for the classifieds or to cut out the actual article from something I liked online. My point is, why put up an article only for a few hours. Also, why no comments allowed on those articles?

    Sorry to be complaining. I really do appreciate your efforts. I have said time and again how lucky we are to have you, our staff, and this paper in our town, especially lucky to have the online version be of such quality.

    -- Posted by Philemon on Thu, Jun 30, 2011, at 9:29 AM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    Thank you for your kind comments.

    I can appreciate the frustration you express. We (and all newspapers, really) are in an awkward transition phase right now. Our readers are increasingly found online-only, but our revenue is still primarily print based. We need to provide compelling and (nearly) complete online content, but we also need to give people a reason to keep buying the paper.

    Posting Friends & Neighbors stories briefly online is one of those balancing-act practices.

    The situation is changing all the time, of course. If I say I foresee a time when print will become entirely secondary to online publication, it won't be an earthshaking revelation. I think most people in the industry expect that to happen. I just don't know when that will happen or how, exactly, we'll get there.

  • Oops, of course I meant Your staff.

    -- Posted by Philemon on Thu, Jun 30, 2011, at 9:32 AM
  • Philemon:

    Sometimes when that happens, you can find a "cached" version on google for a short period of time. If I'm guessing right about which story it is, looks like it's still out there at the moment, but I'd read it again quick before it disappears!


    -- Posted by koeller77 on Thu, Jun 30, 2011, at 2:10 PM
  • Oh, and P.S. - Thank you, Eric, for at least the time being having free online access to many of the same articles as your regular paper!

    The local paper here just went to a monthly subscription service to read any of their articles online unless you had a 7-day a week subscription, and there was a LOT of anger about it, especially from those of us that only had weekend subscriptions!

    -- Posted by koeller77 on Thu, Jun 30, 2011, at 2:11 PM
  • Koeller, I believe all of those articles can still be found on this site simply by using the search box at the top of the page. My problem this morning was probably just old age creeping in. I couldn't remember enough about the article to know what to search for, just that I really enjoyed reading it.

    While on the subject, I probably have really strange taste when it comes to print vs online reading. I prefer reading newspaper articles online - not sure why but maybe the color pictures are better. I prefer the print edition if I'm going to cut something out for a keepsake, such as an article with one of my children in it. When it comes to books, I won't even consider buying a nook or kindle. I think I'm just too old fashioned and like the feel of a book in my hands, and I read books excessively.

    -- Posted by Philemon on Thu, Jun 30, 2011, at 3:02 PM
  • Philemon: I am right there with you when it comes to book vs. Nook!! There is something very satisfying about the heft of a book and the smell of the pages and I am an avowed smartphone user!

    -- Posted by koeller77 on Thu, Jun 30, 2011, at 8:01 PM
  • Did you know that in 1894 Arrow Street was Arrow Rock Street, and that Court Street was Main Street? The following link is for local history, and genealogy buffs. http://digital.library.umsystem.edu/cgi/i/image/image-idx?sort=umcscsanic_ti;sid...

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Jul 1, 2011, at 11:56 AM
  • Oops, I misspoke about Main Street/Court Street, you can see what I mean at the link.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Jul 1, 2011, at 12:00 PM
  • From that map you misspoke, but you were actually correct. I've seen even older maps than the one you linked to. There was once a North, South, East, and West Main in the corresponding positions in relation to the courthouse.

    -- Posted by Philemon on Fri, Jul 1, 2011, at 1:07 PM
  • I just heard that Moberly got another business to move to town. They waste the city money by have a City Administrator who has experience and training for the job. But as ours said they will get someone who pays to high of wages and we don't have to worry about that if we don't get any new business.

    -- Posted by HankH on Fri, Jul 1, 2011, at 5:02 PM
  • Does any one know who the boy was that drowned in Miami bottoms tonight?

    Such a tradgic situation, those kids should never been playing in the river.

    Parents please warn your children of the danger of playing around those high waters.

    My heart and prayers go out to the family.

    -- Posted by buttons on Fri, Jul 1, 2011, at 10:17 PM
  • So, the repayment timeline has been extended 5 years - adding an even greater amount of interest, which is paid up front, like all consumer loans are structured now.

    After my Army time, I worked for a finance company while attending night school. At that time (1965), the interest was spread over the life of the loan, the fair way, in my estimation. I don't know when that practice was eliminated, but I suspect it occurred sometime during the last 30 years, perhaps after Reagan was installed.

    ND, I was somewhat surprised that the default percentages aren't higher.

    A few weeks ago a young man from Marshall (I concluded) talked about the cost of education. I believe he said he's in school at Notre Dame. He mentioned that tuition at MU was, recently, approximately $22,000. per year for in-state students. Amazing, I said!

    Education administrators from elementary school all the way to the top live in a fantasy world where finance is concerned. It's like they're personally offended if they don't get all the money they THINK they HAVE to have. I commented on here a while back about the superintendent of the school district we llive in discussing with a news person the state's plan to cut funding. He said, I guess we'll have to use some of our "rainy day" money in order to keep from laying off any teachers. That "rainy day" fund amounted to $96,000,000.

    -- Posted by Slater on Sun, Jul 3, 2011, at 12:42 PM
  • NanaDot re: 'the next bubble'. It is an outrage what the Corporation-Government axis is doing to we the people.

    Your link is another of those that should be read by everyone, but will be read by only a few. If folks only knew what is going on we could somehow reverse this rapidly accelerating destruction of the middle class. Wake up people, not for your own sake, but for the young ones that you love.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Jul 3, 2011, at 1:53 PM
  • Another ridiculous aspect of the student loan default racket is that there is no way, short of dying, to escape from that default. You still owe the money even after the USDE has stripped you of your career certificate and flagged you as virtually unemployable. The best part: to listen to program reps talk about it, they're PROUD of it. In the end, you're saddled with a debt that the lender has almost guaranteed you can't pay back. That makes A LOT of sense, eh?

    -- Posted by imaloony on Sun, Jul 3, 2011, at 5:54 PM
  • Does any group around there still put on ice cream socials? When I ask people around here that question, I get blank stares.

    -- Posted by Slater on Sun, Jul 3, 2011, at 10:33 PM
  • To the person who asked about Ice Cream Socials. Well there are several. Churches mostly put on Ice Cream Socials. But one of the best is put on by the Marshall Municipal Band. Free Ice Cream and cake plus soft drinks and water. Plus some of the best band music in the entire country. Thank you Marshall Municipal Band members for all that you do musically as well as the Ice Cream Social.

    -- Posted by salinemg on Sun, Jul 3, 2011, at 11:22 PM
  • Slater, an ice cream social at the Masonic Lodge on Morrow St. is scheduled for July 15.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Mon, Jul 4, 2011, at 6:50 AM
  • Part of the problem with student loans also rests with the student and parent of students. By that I mean, we students who accumulate nearly $100K or greater in loans yet major in a field that makes less than $50K a year. Why? because it is the school of their dreams.

    We have the A+ Program and many of the schools in the area participate in the program. Students who qualify may attend any of the state's junior colleges or vocational schools for FREE (not including books or room and board.) However these schools are not "Mizzou" or "Missouri State." Which apparently are the only colleges in the state according to many of the families around here. Bascically students would have 2 free years of college.

    Another issue is our "You-Can-Have-It-All-NOW" Society." Few of us save. We further debts piling on to the student loans. My brother saved frugally for over a year after his graduation. He paid his loan 1 1/2 years after graduation, but for that year and a half, he lived like a pauper. He saved himself most of the interest. I on the other hand, was one of those who had to have this and that and made the minimum payments. I paid for ten full years and had many financial struggles because I had to have something wouldn't wait.

    We now have 2 in college. We had a college fund for them (very small thanks to the economic downturn)They wouldn't listen to us about the A+ Program, but they chose less expensive schools (after some pushing from mom and dad), save a lot of their pay, and take out the least amount of loans, because they have selected majors that will offer only moderate incomes. Hopefully they will fewer problems with loans after school is done.

    -- Posted by inthemiddle on Mon, Jul 4, 2011, at 4:39 PM
  • Inthemiddle, there is a song that is played from time to time on the classic rock radio station that I'm usually tuned in to. I don't remember the name of the song or the artist - just a part of the lyrics:

    "I want it all and I want it now!"

    That is one of the biggest problems with money management for many people today. They can't wait - they have to have the latest whatever-it-is NOW!

    -- Posted by TerryM on Tue, Jul 5, 2011, at 12:59 PM
  • Attention people who sew!! You may not have noticed a new department at Marshall Walmart, tucked away in the northwest corner, next to the car cleaning products and other automotive stuff. Fabric and patterns are back! It's not quite what we previously had - fabric by-the-yard - it's prepackaged lengths of one or two yards, but it's better than no fabric at all. A salesperson told me it has been there "several months," but I didn't find it until yesterday when I was looking for a "bug sponge" for my dirty car.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Tue, Jul 5, 2011, at 2:15 PM
  • Thanks for the ice cream social tip, KF. So, you're looking for a bug sponge to clean your cicada-covered front end? How about a Dremel tool with attachments? :) (Well, depending on how long they've been bonding to the paint.)

    -- Posted by Slater on Tue, Jul 5, 2011, at 6:56 PM
  • No one down here exploded firecrackers in their hands yesterday. There was a total county-wide ban on fireworks, so yesterday lacked its usual celebratory spirit (except for watermelon sales).

    -- Posted by Slater on Tue, Jul 5, 2011, at 7:01 PM
  • Remember the fabrics/notions locally-owned store that Wal*Mart forced out of business, then Wal*Mart closed its version?

    So, this is Wal*Mart's offering, three or so years later.

    It's too bad you're forced to patronize those money grubbers.

    -- Posted by Slater on Tue, Jul 5, 2011, at 7:05 PM
  • Have you noticed how Wal*Mart generally locates its stores in areas where it's about the only business, or the most prominent business at the location?

    Cheaper land, no doubt, and they don't want you making significant purchases from their neighbors.

    Okay, I'm through bashing the company where five of our Supreme Court justices regularly shop.

    -- Posted by Slater on Tue, Jul 5, 2011, at 7:23 PM
  • NanaDot:Two yards is plenty for little kids' shorts or a sundress, which is all I ask. Or maybe a pillow or two...regardless...it's better than zero. Until they did this was 30 miles to Sedalia or 60 miles to Columbia or 75 miles to KC. And all for just a card of buttons or a pattern.

    And Slater, I definitely see where you're coming from, but it's much easier to point at the problem when you're not facing it every day. Some things are just not available anywhere else in a town this size. I don't relish the long drives out of town just to shop elsewhere, either.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Tue, Jul 5, 2011, at 8:47 PM
  • Hey KF,

    I don't blame you for not wanting to get a big layer of cicadas stuck to your car. :)

    But, seriously, that's precisely why Wal*Mart is in nearly every Marshall across the country. They're counting on ruralites (new word) not wanting to make what's a normal daily trek for big city dwellers.

    Greed conquers all.

    -- Posted by Slater on Tue, Jul 5, 2011, at 9:11 PM
  • Nana, I DID read the article, and I agree with you that it really points out that the student loan system is a mess. This also makes it a personal financial issue. I was replying to Inthemiddle, who was responding on the personal financial angle, expressing my opinion that the student loan issue is just the tip of the iceberg in the personal financial crisis issue.

    I did not intend to downplay the student loan mess as a separate issue. I was just relating how it connects to other issues.

    Something does need to be done about the student loan mess. A few years ago, the industry was up in arms about the default rates on student loans. In the process of fixing that 'crisis', the pendulum got drug way too far in a different direction. We need to bring the pendulum back to the middle, which will mean making changes in places that may seem to be only distantly connected with student loans - college costs in general, the many ways they are financed, and the reasons for the wide differences in costs between schools.

    This may call for some radical thinking. We have (mostly) free public schools for educating youngsters through grade 12. Maybe we need to figure out how to provide a similar cost post-secondary education to the masses.

    No issue stands on its own. That radical thought above moves into taxation and many other fields of thought. Unless done carefully, 'fixing' one thing will lead to other problems. It's never going to be an overnight process.

    -- Posted by TerryM on Wed, Jul 6, 2011, at 1:19 PM
  • Here's a perfect example of how Walmart beats everyone else in "ruralities" (Slater, I like that word!).

    My computer has been dying a slow death for months. We happened to have a spare CPU, so we removed the old one and brought the new one up. We then discovered the keyboard we had didn't have a USB connection. If we lived in a large city, we'd hop in the car and drive to the nearest computer store, or big box store (or the nearest Walmart) and pick up a new keyboard. Any of those would be open at 10 p.m., and wouldn't be very far away, either.

    But we don't live in a large city. And I need the computer every day. I can't wait to order it online and be delivered in three or four days. And I do not want to increase the cost of a new keyboard by driving to Sedalia or Columbia or Kansas City, respectively 30, 60 and 75 miles away. So - nothing left to do but jump in the truck, drive to Walmart, get the keyboard and come home. We did that in considerably less than 30 minutes. Love it or loathe it, that's how things are in ruralities. Why does everyone BLAME Walmart for taking advantage of the obvious? Isn't that just good ol' Yankee ingenuity?

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Wed, Jul 6, 2011, at 1:34 PM
  • Nanadot, did you even read my post? I made absolutely no judgements. I said "Part of the problem." Does anything I said apply to all? No. Did anything I say imply that you were completely wrong or even partially wrong? No.

    I was simply making the point that in addition to what you were pointing out, too many Americans don't consider the consequences of their financial actions. Heaven knows I don't always.

    -- Posted by inthemiddle on Wed, Jul 6, 2011, at 5:35 PM
  • KF, your example brings to mind a more fundamental issue affecting everyone in this country, and every country like it. We've become a nation of impatient people, no longer willing to wait until tomorrow for the mom and pop store to open so we can replace an item. I suppose I'm one of last generation to remember what those days were like, where the pace of living allowed us enough time to enjoy our existence more fully.

    No, there's nothing wrong with "good old Yankee ingenuity," but that sense of propriety has gone, along with our patience. I'd be a hard one to convince that Wal*Mart ever had a sense of what's right and fair. Its underhanded tactics are well-documented, from the denigration of its employees, to its acquisition of new locations, and now it has our US Supreeme Court on its side. Is there no end to its corruptness? Not that I can determine.

    Yes, its convenient at 10 or 11 at night, when we just CAN'T wait until the next morning, and every turn of its stile reinforces our well-entrenched acquiescence to a more "modern and convenient" lifestyle as dictated by corporate america.

    We've swung too far in the wrong direction, sort of like taking our subject beyond the point of optimal stimulation during an experiment at the local psych lab.

    I don't BLAME Wal*Mart for being successful, I blame its designers of the methodology used to get it there.

    -- Posted by Slater on Thu, Jul 7, 2011, at 11:10 AM
  • Slater, while I can understand the gist of what you're saying, there are plenty of examples I can think of where we are better off that we no longer have to wait.

    When my husband had to go get Pedialyte or Tylenol because our child had a fever at midnight. When a car ((like happened to me!) hits a fence & a telephone pole and damages the cow pasture fence and you need SOMETHING, anything to keep the cows in until morning. What about people that work 2nd/3rd shift that would find it very difficult to shop during the 9-5 hours that a lot of mom & pop stores used to keep?

    I believe as it has grown, Wal*Mart has gotten away from Sam Walton's original values & ideas, but then, it's no longer a mom & pop franchise. Wal*Mart has become a scapegoat, and unfairly, for corporate America. They pay fair, competitive wages, they offer health insurance even if you don't work 40 hours, and they provide a wide variety of goods to small towns that would otherwise not have those goods available in their town. And at today's gas prices, that's WOULD be a hardship!

    -- Posted by koeller77 on Thu, Jul 7, 2011, at 1:31 PM
  • One point K-77 re; Walmart fair wages, if they pay fair wages why are so many of their employees reduced to drawing welfare at our expense to get by?

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Jul 7, 2011, at 2:13 PM
  • OKR, because the majority of retail stores are not intended to have full-time employees. But that aside, the majority of Wal*mart employees make more than minimum wage - why don't we castigate other retial outlets who pay the same or less? As to state aid qualifications....I worked in retirement planning at a bank and I qualified for state aid with my husband and 2 children.

    -- Posted by koeller77 on Thu, Jul 7, 2011, at 5:51 PM
  • Koeller, I know you understand the meaning of my words relating to our society, but you're the product of a different era, and, therefore, you're unable to see life as I see it. I'm not criticizing your perspective, I'm merely pointing out the primary distinction for our differing viewpoints. Each generation sees the world differently from the previous one, and not always with a clear focus.

    As for your view of Wal*Mart, either you're unaware of its business practices, or you refuse to believe the facts. Let me give you an example of what I mean regarding its expansion philosophy. No, two examples.

    A few years ago, up in your neck of the woods in a rural community, Wal*Mart petitioned the city for permission to build a store. The town had what could be characterized as a family-owned general store, which had been operated by the same family for two or so generations. Well, the city fathers turned down Wal*Mart's plan, but the company persisted, and persisted, until the city administration finally got tired of fighting and gave in. Guess what happened to the family general store. Wal*Mart didn't have to put a store in that area. One less facility wasn't about to put its holders in the poor house.

    Example Nr. 2: Boonville, MO.

    The city of Boonville (regardless of how one might feel about its administration) would not allow any commercial construction without prior approval. Wal*Mart had a store there but wanted to build a super store to replace the original. The city said no, but, again, Wal*Mart persisted and purchased a property, without permission, and built the store. I don't know all the details of this instance, but from the outside it looks like Wal*Mart tested its overbearing leverage.

    The principals of Wal*Mart rank right at the bottom of the ethics scale, and imagine just how crowded THAT spot is!

    At some point in our history. Necessity entered the cocoon and after the metamorphosis, emerged as Greed.

    -- Posted by Slater on Thu, Jul 7, 2011, at 6:26 PM
  • Let me weigh in yet again about Walmart. I, too, remember the era of Mom-n-Pop stores, and every store closed on Sunday. That era went out the window in around 1964 or so, when I was a senior in high school. When I posted recently that I couldn't wait for another couple of days for a keyboard, I wasn't just being impatient. I work at home, and really do need the keyboard. To be perfectly honest, I could afford to go a few days without that extra pay, but not everyone has that luxury. I work because I want to, not because I have to, and again, not everyone has that luxury.

    Sam Walton's original model for Walmart was as a place where housewives, in particular, could work and earn something extra, without threatening the man of the house, the primary wage-earner. That model has obviously changed. And I don't always approve of Walmart's tactics. But - without Walmart, Marshall would be without a couple of hundred jobs, and we'd be investing more of our money in gas than we would like to. If I drive to Sedalia (and I absolutely do that sometimes, also to Columbia and Kansas City, freely admit that), that's a choice I am making, and it's not always a necessary trip for something I really MUST have. But every mile I drive costs me right around 55 cents, so a roundtrip run to Sedalia is $30+, one to Columbia is $60+ and one to the nearest mall in KC is $75+. For me, it's optional, but for many others in tighter circumstances, adding that much to everything I need that is NOT on the shelves of a local business is just cost-prohibitive.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Thu, Jul 7, 2011, at 7:19 PM
  • Wow Kathy!

    If you're only getting 8 miles or less per gallon, then forget this Wal-Mart stuff. Invest in a better mileage car.

    -- Posted by Interested Too on Thu, Jul 7, 2011, at 8:15 PM
  • Interested too: LOL...don't take me for a fool, please. I am calculating the mileage cost based on the ACTUAL cost of driving a car, not on the cost of the gas alone. That is the only way to properly count what it costs. My car gets above 25 miles per hour - but counting the cost of depreciation, insurance, car payments and maintenance is the only real way to count the cost to drive. Your cost could be more or less - the figure I'm using is an average cost. My insurance is cheaper because my driving record is very good, and I'm not driving a super-expensive car, either, so my cost might actually be less and someone else's might be more. This is an average.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Thu, Jul 7, 2011, at 8:59 PM
  • KF, I don't want you thinking I'm picking at you about your 10pm Wal*Mart trip. We live in the age of instant gratification, in whatever form that takes, and defined in whatever way we choose to define it. And I'm not advocating a boycott of the Marshall Wal*Mart. I went in there last fall and ended up spending $38., so you see, I've contributed to the Walton children's fund, too.

    Some time ago, around two or so years back, I made some comments about the changing landscape of small-town America, in response to posts about Wal*Mart and a Marshall fabrics store. I'm not versed in the causes of the small town, but I do see some of the effects, and they make me feel pretty sad. I wouldn't necessarily want the world to spin us back to the 1950's, but I can say that it was maybe the best time ever for a person to grow up. We were fundamentally sound between our ears, but not with a burning need to become "worldly."

    People treated each other decently then, at least that's what I saw, and few people were always in a rush to get someplace. When the stores closed on Sunday, well, they'd be open on Monday, and that was soon enough.

    Life is short. I can say that after 69 years, because it's a fact. I read about a time capsule being buried in Tulsa, Ok, and the plan is to dig it up in 50 years. A 20-year-old person present at the ceremony said, "Wow! Fifty years is a long time!" Not really, kid. The 52 years since I graduated high school have passed in an eye blink. Young people of today will never know what the good life was like, and that's a sad fact.

    But, I digress!

    KF, I have to side with InterestedToo about your need for a more economical set of wheels. :)

    -- Posted by Slater on Thu, Jul 7, 2011, at 9:31 PM
  • Not to worry, Slater...I do understand what you mean...and we are not separated by many years at all. The world has changed much, not always in wonderful ways. P.S. See my post about mileage cost. My Subaru gets close to 30 mpg :)

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Thu, Jul 7, 2011, at 9:56 PM
  • No, I was joshing about the vehicle change. Based on that figure you mentioned (.55/mile), I thought you were calculating overall cost.

    Although, I once had a Corvette that delivered about 6-8 mpg's! Yikes!! Back then gas cost around .30/gal maybe?

    -- Posted by Slater on Thu, Jul 7, 2011, at 10:26 PM
  • ND, as I read the table of contents in your link, I thought about the city of Columbia and its fight with Walmart which wanted its own exit off I-70, among other things.

    This will be some interesting reading, I'm sure. Thanks for sharing. :)

    -- Posted by Slater on Thu, Jul 7, 2011, at 11:24 PM
  • Begging the forgiveness of, and a nod to Malvina Reynolds who wrote it, and Pete Seeger who made it popular I give you my parody of "Little Boxes". Somehow I think they might approve.

    Bigger boxes at the town side

    Bigger boxes selling quicky whacky,

    Bigger boxes at the town side,

    Bigger boxes all the same.

    There's no green one, just a blue one

    And a gray one, and a red one

    And they're all selling quicky whacky

    And they all look just the same.

    And the people in the boxes

    Did not go to university,

    They just stack little boxes

    And they all get paid the same,

    And there's checkers and greeters,

    And mostly male executives,

    And the wages are ticky tacky

    And executives don't make the same.

    And they all play on the golf course

    And drink their martinis dry,

    And the workers have hungry children

    And the children are fed at school.

    And people say it's all the same.


    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Jul 8, 2011, at 12:35 AM
  • Slater: I don't say that I necessarily agree with Wal*Mart's tactics, just that I feel they really have become a scapegoat for corporate America. There are other stores (Target, Kmart for example) that do the same things that Wal*Mart does, but they don't get any of the flack that Wal*Mart does.

    NanaDot: LOL - Walmart is FAR more honest in how it treats its workers than my employer (the State of Wisconsin), and unlike the State of Wisconsin, offers benefits to its part-time employees. They pay above minimum wage, which is more than I can say for Subway, our local grocery store (Piggly Wiggly), Quiznos, and a number of other local business.

    Look, guys, Wal*Mart is certainly no paragon of virtue. However, neither are the demon that they are frequently made out to be. Target, Kmart, Pamida, and other "big box" stores have escaped criticism for employing the SAME practices that Wal*Mart does. They are a corporation, and the bottom line is their main concern, just like every other corporation. But because they have been SO demonized by the media, they have actually changed their practices so that they are a BETTER employer than many!

    -- Posted by koeller77 on Fri, Jul 8, 2011, at 10:09 AM
  • Koeller, I don't disagree that other businesses approach the threshold of crookedness the same as Wal*Mart, and I'd agree that Wal*Mart's personality MAY have been distorted by the press on occasion, but I'm not as forgiving.

    A blanket of evil seems to be resting on corporate america, encouraging its sociopathic-like leadership to perpetrate every conceivable outrage for its selfish gain. It's no wonder employees no longer show loyalty toward their employer when they're treated like sub-humans and tossed out every time the profit margin falls below an inflated level.

    Your mother mentioned that Sam Walton's reason for starting his business was to give women the opportunity to work outside the home. HA! We all know that women have ALWAYS been paid considerably less than their male counterparts, so that makes Walton's reason very suspect, in my opinion.

    It disgusts me that businesses like Wal*Mart have to be forced to do right by their employees, and only after the public outcry becomes so deafening that our government, our supposed great equalizer, is then forced to act, but even THAT doesn't seem to be the case any longer.

    I don't know. I guess I grew up believing in an unrealistic ideal - probably from watching too many western movies.

    -- Posted by Slater on Fri, Jul 8, 2011, at 3:08 PM
  • -- Posted by Slater on Fri, Jul 8, 2011, at 3:40 PM
  • 108 degrees here yesterday Slater. Can you beat that?

    It was too hot to grille so I just tied up the dog, threw a couple of steaks on the sidewalk, and watched em sizzle. They were done when I had finished my quart of Nat Lite. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Jul 8, 2011, at 3:57 PM
  • And Slater here is one back at you, that I think catches your mood today. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJlD5roDqNw

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Jul 8, 2011, at 4:06 PM
  • 108 eh? You had me beat. I think it was 95 here yesterday. Currently 98.

    I hadn't heard that Randolph Scott song in a while. Hearing all those names mentioned in it brings back a few memories. :) Right and wrong, black and white and no in-between.

    I just had a thought, which I'll pass along to you via Road Runner.

    -- Posted by Slater on Fri, Jul 8, 2011, at 4:37 PM
  • 106 degrees already, 108 yesterday. I am searching for a bright side, something to give me a sunny disposition.

    Maybe my heart should be warmed by the forced xeroscaping that is occurring? Due to hard times, and the cost of water, a lot of folks are giving it up. Flowers, shrubs, lawns, and trees are dying, or at the least entering dormancy, leaving only old dust bowl favorites such as Rose of Sharon, sun flowers, and such to color the landscape. Maybe this is our first summer that lends a new meaning to brown out.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Jul 9, 2011, at 2:15 PM
  • So, some of the Joad family moved back in, eh? I think we had the lowest temp in the whole state yesterday (98). Wichita Falls reported 110.

    Two trees out front died two years ago from the drought, leaving one. Even the weeds have gone into hiding.

    -- Posted by Slater on Sat, Jul 9, 2011, at 3:44 PM
  • 109 degrees right now. The grapes of wrath have become raisins.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Jul 9, 2011, at 4:45 PM
  • 110 in the shade. Not a Rainmaker in sight.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Jul 9, 2011, at 5:22 PM
  • We sure could use Burt Lancaster about now.

    -- Posted by Slater on Sat, Jul 9, 2011, at 7:21 PM
  • As the super rich have manipulated governments to protect themselves from disastrous financial bankruptcy, the only remaining undoing for their egregious acts is moral bankruptcy.

    Who'd a thunk it? Case in point Rupert Murdoch: http://www.guardian.co.uk/

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Jul 11, 2011, at 12:43 PM
  • Hey, does anyone know what the big window rattlin' boom was last night just after 10pm?

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Mon, Jul 11, 2011, at 7:00 PM
  • NanaDot, you mentioned recently that a family member had a close encouter with a cougar. Could you give more detail? Was this when the person was walking about, in a vehicle, across the field? Has it been spotted again? I believe you said it was around the Orearville area, if I remember. Thanks.

    -- Posted by AnneD on Tue, Jul 12, 2011, at 9:04 AM
  • ND - YIKES! That's a little on the scary side!

    -- Posted by koeller77 on Tue, Jul 12, 2011, at 9:30 AM
  • Thanks for the answer. One more question. Did it run from her or act aggressive? I'm often out in that area. I've heard of sightings in the Blue Lick area, over by Malta Bend and one other site which I can't remember right now.

    -- Posted by AnneD on Tue, Jul 12, 2011, at 9:40 AM
  • Scary situation. I'm glad it had a good outcome. With it taking that defensive position, I wonder if it had young ones nearby.

    And I've got a gun. And dogs.....

    -- Posted by AnneD on Tue, Jul 12, 2011, at 3:52 PM
  • OH!

    THAT kind of cougar.

    I've had a few scary encounters with the other kind!

    -- Posted by Interested Too on Tue, Jul 12, 2011, at 4:59 PM
  • heh heh...that's funny, Interested Too.

    -- Posted by Slater on Tue, Jul 12, 2011, at 6:42 PM
  • I first posted this bit of doggerel that occured to me tonight, on the politics site because it fits there, but then it's not a bad fit here. I thought that someone may get a chuckle from it that doesn't venture over to our den of insult, and insinuation.

    Sparks fly when blades are crossed, just because they must.

    Other times we circle round, it's mostly parry, and thrust.

    Either way, it's safe to say, it saves our swords from rust.

    What stays, or goes, every one knows, in Eric we must trust.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Jul 13, 2011, at 1:29 AM
  • A look back at the flood of '93 from the perspective of the Marshall Democrat News in 2003.

    "Ten Years After The Flood" http://news.mywebpal.com/partners/882/public/news477636.html

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Jul 13, 2011, at 8:49 PM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    I'm biased, of course, but I like this link better:


    The other one is a site that appears to be "borrowing" our stuff.

  • Me too Eric. :)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Jul 13, 2011, at 11:43 PM
  • Wow - I remember that flood. I flew into St. Louis Airport as a 15 year old that spring, on my way to NJ...I was a little bit concerned that there wasn't going to be a place for the plane to land! All you could see was water for miles & miles!

    -- Posted by koeller77 on Thu, Jul 14, 2011, at 1:31 PM
  • Ordinarily, I wouldn't trouble anyone with a post like this one, but this is a strange report:

    "SAN DIEGO (AP) -- The girlfriend of a pharmaceutical company CEO was found dead at a historic California mansion, her nude body hanging from a balcony with her hands tied behind her back and her feet bound, investigators said Thursday...

    Investigators have not determined if Nalepa was a crime victim and have not ruled out suicide, said San Diego County sheriff's Capt. Tim Curran. He declined to comment on the evidence."

    -- Posted by Slater on Thu, Jul 14, 2011, at 8:23 PM
  • Demons? Ghosts? Specter? Or was it a phantasm? The Shadow knows. Hahahahaha.

    Two mysterious occurences within days of each other, in this mansion. H-m-m-m?

    How about an update Slater?


    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Jul 15, 2011, at 11:33 PM
  • Okay, now Lamont. Settle down! :)

    -- Posted by Slater on Sat, Jul 16, 2011, at 12:24 AM
  • So, does anyone have a report on the ice cream social at the Masonic hall last evening? :)

    -- Posted by Slater on Sat, Jul 16, 2011, at 11:33 AM
  • Does anyone know what happened on North English? The end of the street was police-taped off and there have been police cars there since early morning hours.

    -- Posted by slmky on Sat, Jul 16, 2011, at 12:48 PM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    Not many details available yet. All we have is here:


  • Eric,

    Are we the citizens of Marshall going to get a update on the lady found in the street?

    Was this a random act of violence we need to be concerned of?

    A domestic dispute spiraled out of control?

    Or just a accident ?

    My prayers are with her, whom ever she is and wish her the very best on her recovery

    -- Posted by momandgramma on Sun, Jul 17, 2011, at 4:07 PM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    We'll check with the police. When there is more information they can release, we'll pass it along.
  • Everyone doing all right down there in the heat? It is ICKY outside!

    You guys are hotter than we are, and I think my brain melted the last time I went outside!

    Don't forget to check on your neighbors - especially if they're elderly!!!

    -- Posted by koeller77 on Mon, Jul 18, 2011, at 3:12 PM
  • I guess I am an outcast, or maybe just too ornery to get near. I am elderly, it's been over 100 here nearly every day for weeks, and NO ONE has checked on me yet. Heck I could have fallen over dead working in my yard, or garden any of those hot afternoons.

    Toughen up K77 its about time you guys shared our misery. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Jul 18, 2011, at 6:20 PM
  • Heh heh...I see Lamont is still on edge. Hey Lamont! Have all of those derricks on the front yard of the capitol building melted down yet?

    -- Posted by Slater on Mon, Jul 18, 2011, at 7:49 PM
  • No, but they had to send folks home from the Capitol today. A giant water main broke, and the A/C wouldn't work. I think that they should have kept them there. They have been dealing so much he-l to the people they ought to at least know what it feels like.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Jul 18, 2011, at 8:00 PM
  • Hey! I checked on you OKR! I know I'm a brat when it comes to weather...I want it to stay 76 year round, LOL! I'm pretty grateful for my airconditioning, to be sure!

    -- Posted by koeller77 on Mon, Jul 18, 2011, at 8:26 PM
  • Thanks K77, I now feel less neglected. :)

    Slater if it stays this hot much longer Lamont's alter ego is for sure going to have to shed his cape. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Jul 18, 2011, at 10:28 PM
  • Slater you may find some nostalgic enjoyment at this link. http://www.oldtimeradiofans.com/template.php?show_name=The%20Shadow

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Jul 18, 2011, at 10:38 PM
  • You bet, OKR! Thanks! :)

    -- Posted by Slater on Tue, Jul 19, 2011, at 8:13 AM
  • Does any one know who was shot about 11 pm in Sweet Springs last night ??

    Not to sure there was not two people, one was shot in the stomach, Just curious.

    -- Posted by buttons on Tue, Jul 19, 2011, at 10:02 AM
  • If it had been a few years back Buttons I would have immediately thought that the Sweet Springs city council is fussin' with each other again, but I think that is all in the past. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Jul 19, 2011, at 10:50 AM
  • Correction. They have aldermen I believe.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Jul 19, 2011, at 10:52 AM
  • buttons...I think this is the story:


    -- Posted by koeller77 on Tue, Jul 19, 2011, at 2:23 PM
  • Thanke Koeller77, I thought I had heard right

    -- Posted by buttons on Wed, Jul 20, 2011, at 11:39 AM
  • Buttons,

    Are the two who got stuck in the snow last winter doing alright?

    -- Posted by Slater on Wed, Jul 20, 2011, at 7:06 PM
  • Slater, they are doing fine, my brother-in-law had some frost bite on toes that bothers him sometimes, but other than that doing fine.

    I know if it had not been for all the prayers, it would of beem a different story. Thanks for asking.

    -- Posted by buttons on Thu, Jul 21, 2011, at 11:31 AM
  • It is hot, but not as hot as it is getting for members of Congress. A new poll finds that only 30% of the people in this country are willing to relect their Congressional representative.

    It appears that the people are finally getting the message. The question is, will congress get it? http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/poll-hints-congress-could-see-shake-2012-1837...

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Jul 22, 2011, at 6:21 PM
  • Cheetah, I'm still laughing over this one:

    "The swimming pool is evaporating so fast, children are now being encouraged to pee in it;"

    -- Posted by Slater on Fri, Jul 22, 2011, at 9:05 PM
  • Norwegian tragedy, and the unfortunate take away.

    One man, one day, bombed a building killing seven. The same man, the same day, took three guns, reported as a Glock pistol, an automatic rifle, and a shotgun, to a gathering of children, and killed eighty or more.

    Score, for those who are counting, and they are out there: bomb, 7, guns, 80.

    The blaring message is that it easier for lone operatives, whether members of a group, or acting independently, to more efficiently kill a multitude of people with guns, than with bombs.

    It is much more difficult to while unnoticed, obtain the technical knowlege, assemble, and place a bomb, than to pick up a gun, go to an assembly of people, and start shooting.

    That is so, particularly here in the United States, where it is easier to get guns than anywhere. A couple of well chosen burglaries would suffice if all other methods were thwarted, which is not likely, given the unencumbered ways that one can obtain arms.

    Had the nineteen 9-11 terrorists chosen guns, instead of planes, and averaged the eighty kills accomplished with guns by the Norwegian terrorist there would have been in a single day, over fifteen hundred people killed across our nation. That too would have thrown our nation into pandemonium. No, we would not have had the New York City monument to destruction to deal with in our minds. Instead we would each have been living with the more intimate, and insidious fear that it can happen right here, because it would have happened right here, anywhere in our country. Compounding that would have been be our pragmatic concern that it will happen again.

    Considering the homicidal mad men, potential foreign terrorists, and home grown right wing militant/terrorists on the edge of insanity, scattered among us this very day, it is scary.

    We can only hope that such folk do not become inspired by the Norwegian example, and realize the opportunity existing in this land of two hundred million privately owned guns.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Jul 23, 2011, at 1:19 PM
  • I have a review to post on the new restruant, Luke's Place.

    I just want to say right up front that I have been there twice now. I feel one visit to a newly opened eating establishment isn't giving it enough time to prove it's self.

    First visit:

    The food was good, we were there on Taco Tuesday. The food came quickly, ample portions.

    From there it went downhill. Two orders from our table were incorrect. The tea tasted stale. When asked for taco sauce we were given cocktail sauce. The owner stopped by to ask if everything was ok. We told her what had happened. There were no apologies. Her resonse was "is everything else ok?". No offer of a discount, no well thanks for the feedback and come again.

    We decided they were new and to give them another chance.

    Today, we waited at the door to be seated 15 minutes. 3 differnt waitresses asked us how many in our party, before we were seated. Upon entry I counted 10+ empty tables. I fail to see why the wait. A different waitress came to get our drink order. The tea was again stale. Yet, another waitress took our food order. We ordered two half price cheese burgers, mashed potatos, and side salad, 1 ruben sandwich, and homemade potato chips. We waited 30 minutes more for our food. Our food was delivred by yet another waitress. While waiting on the food we heard someone shouting orders out to the cooks. The food was again good. The only exception was the ruben had very soggy bread. Again, we waited for a waitress to bring our check. We were there for over an hour to get three sandwiches.

    The staff was freindly, and I feel will do a much better job if some training is given. Maybe some waitresses need to help out in the kitchen to speed up the process. There were at least 6 waitresses that were visable to our table, and one not very busy bus boy.

    I hope they read ths review and work on some of these things so we will want to come back.

    Third times the charm..... I will keep you posted.

    -- Posted by meagain on Sat, Jul 23, 2011, at 4:25 PM
  • I've been to Luke's several times, and been impressed so far. Maybe you should come with me!

    The wait is about the same as Applebee's, and it's because everything is cooked fresh. I love the prices as well.

    Hang in there, it's a good thing and maybe 3rd time's the charm.

    -- Posted by Interested Too on Sat, Jul 23, 2011, at 6:03 PM
  • I've been to Luke's Place twice. I had the same experience both times; the food was really good, but the service was poor. The wait staff really need some training to improve service. The prices are very reasonable, and as I stated before, the food is really good. I will return. I am optimistic that they will get the poor service turned around.

    -- Posted by born-n-raised on Sat, Jul 23, 2011, at 7:34 PM
  • What's the story on Madigans? Did it ever open?

    -- Posted by Slater on Sat, Jul 23, 2011, at 8:06 PM
  • Nope, still waiting....

    -- Posted by meagain on Sun, Jul 24, 2011, at 12:18 AM
  • Another dining review.

    Mexico Lindo; let me say service there is outstanding. All the staff there are on top of the game. The food has never disappointed me in any way. Plus, the portions are large enough, I always have a doggie bag. The prices are well within reason. Truely one of my favorite places in town. If your looking for a great Mexican place this is clearly my choice.

    -- Posted by meagain on Sun, Jul 24, 2011, at 4:32 PM
  • In the face of what you guys said SC, and NA, apparently Big Pharma, and our Doctors are pushing OXy, and its derivatives like candy. More Oxy overdose cases recieved at hospitals than for any other drug. Ironic that they give it to them, and then have to treat them for the treatment they gave. Is it a mad world, or what.

    I appreciate that some legal drugs are stolen, people share, or sell prescriptions, etc., but even the A.M.A. admits that they have an over prescribing problem.

    We have become a society demanding instant gratification, and instant relief for any desire, or problem. Gobble gobble, gone, as the turkeys we are.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Jul 24, 2011, at 7:11 PM
  • So great to see New York State recognize gay/lesbian couples as full fledged citizens in the US!

    -- Posted by mtownres on Sun, Jul 24, 2011, at 9:35 PM
  • I agree Mtown it isn't 1956 anymore.

    -- Posted by tigger2118 on Sun, Jul 24, 2011, at 9:50 PM
  • Equal civil rights for all people is a mark of civilized societies.

    As we the people gain overdue rights we must be vigilant to assure that existing rights are not destroyed.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Jul 24, 2011, at 11:00 PM
  • SC I too have anecdotal experience with prescription drugs. I am fortunate at my age, that as far as I know, I don't have any systemic disease. I take no medicines, my measurables are outstanding excepting my blood sugar which was up when I had my January "wellness check". Too much dark chocolate, and cookies, which I have quashed. LOL

    I do have several musculoskeletal problems, not so much chronic as recurrent. Until the last two years, every time I went to a physician the first thing that they did was give me a prescription for pain medication, which I trashed. It would have been so easy to have the prescription filled, and then share the "goodies" with some one else.

    I finally have found a Doctor that understands my philosophical approach, and confines herself to determining the cause, and one time prescribing physical therapy. She knows that I don't take as much as an aspirin for pain.

    I have this concept that I follow: The human body, including the brain, is a wonderfully complex, and strong entity. My perception is that pain killers stop, or minimize signals sent to the brain by the body, thus not allowing the brain to make a clear diagnosis as to the problem. Hampered by this the brain is not able to send the proper information through neural pathways, thwarting the body's ability to heal itself. Crazy? Maybe, but it works for me.

    I mention all this because I believe that alternative medicine gets short shrift by medical professionals. Too many Doctors are caught up in the contractual rat race to see as many patients as possible. They just wear down, and loose their resistance to the endless overload. It becomes much easier to pass out pain pills, and get the patient out the door. Especially when Big Pharma reps. are hanging around pushing pills, and when Big Pharma is pushing narcotics all over television to a gullible public wanting an instance fix. This assures that the Doctor hears first thing, give me a pill from the brainwashed patient. Barraged on all fronts what is a Doctor to do?

    Ain't corporate medicene wonderful?

    Finally, for those naysayers out there, I am not condemning all prescriptions for narcotics. Different people have different pain threshholds, and different causes of pain. Narcotics have their place. It is just that because our medical system is based on every entity involved making as much money as possible; pain pill, and push 'em out the door, is most efficient at assuring maximum monetary reward for all.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Jul 25, 2011, at 10:42 AM
  • I did hear on the radio today some medicines patent such as Plaxil will be expiring. So we should start seeing generic versions and will mean big pharma will take up to a $255 billion hit.

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Mon, Jul 25, 2011, at 12:35 PM
  • Yes, and the commercials aren't the common 15- to 30-second variety; they go on for two or three minutes. A guy I used to work with became so incensed over some idiotic tv ad, he got his rifle and shot the tv. My sentiment, precisely, but my extreme behavior would amount to turning it off. I rarely watch tv anymore, and once PBS begins showing the ads now appearing on network tv, I'll stop watching altogether.

    -- Posted by Slater on Mon, Jul 25, 2011, at 12:47 PM
  • Slater, your comment about shooting the TV made me laugh. We've had two tv-shooting incidents locally in the last 3 years or so. If I recall correctly, both involved alcohol instead of pharmaceuticals, however.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Mon, Jul 25, 2011, at 2:34 PM
  • I have rather mixed feelings on the subject of gay marriage. I believe that gay couples deserve the same legal protections as traditional heterosexual couples.

    My issue comes with calling marriage a "right." Marriage is a legal definition. It has always been determined by states/governments. For centuries states/governments have put restrictions on marriage, such as age and consanguination (marryin'cousins). If marriage becomes a civil right, do we as a society have the right to place limits on any marriage for example on incestuous relationships (if both are adults)or polygamy? Would NAMBLA push for elimination of age restrictions as a civil right? If mariage is a right, could the full faith and credit clause of the US Constitution force all states to comply? First cousins can't marry here in Missouri, but if they legally marry in New York, they are married here.

    By making marriage a right I wonder if we are proceeding down the slippery slope further than we want to go, or are prepared to go. For those of you who would argue that it wouldn't go to the extreme, remember that when the 16th Amendment was debated, those who predicted that income tax might someday go as high as 10% were laughed at for being extremist.

    -- Posted by inthemiddle on Mon, Jul 25, 2011, at 6:43 PM
  • inthemiddle: Isn't marriage already a 'right' granted to heterosexual couples in all states? I think it is interesting how many of the same arguments used against gay marriage were the same used against interracial marriage. OklahomaReader put it well in a prior post. I have yet to hear a legitimate/reasonable argument as to how a gay couple marrying will personally affect someone's 'traditional marriage'.

    -- Posted by mtownres on Mon, Jul 25, 2011, at 7:22 PM
  • 2 out of five of children in the United States live in poverty. That works out to be 40 per cent. Does this bother anyone that reads or posts here? From what I can gather, the representatives we have sent to Washington don't seem to give a ****. Is this bothersome or do we accept "that is just the way it is"???

    -- Posted by red dog on Tue, Jul 26, 2011, at 7:16 AM
  • I understand the gov. is wanting to cut social security, and after next month there may not be any more checks sent out.

    this is not fair to our senior citizens who have worked all their live and paid into it, some depend greatly upon it to help pay bills and rent, what is going to happen when that help is not there ? Will they be sit out in the streets ??Who will help care for them ?? Even nursing homes takes every penny they have for their upkeep.

    Washington neede to realize what they are doing. They sit there without offering to give up one penny of their money, Why can"t their checks be cut to help out ??

    Senior citizens are really stressing over this, lets pray something will be done before the dead line, it is not their faults the money situation is like it is, they only worked and tried to make the USA better and now get nothing.

    -- Posted by buttons on Tue, Jul 26, 2011, at 8:57 AM
  • -- Posted by Gal66 on Tue, Jul 26, 2011, at 10:14 AM
  • Social Security Insurance was created in the 1930s. The goal was to be a supplement to retirement NOT as the primary source of retirement income. We the public were also supposed to save along the way. The I in SSI is sinsurance. Just like your auto insurance, you pay it hoping to never need it.

    Age 65 was selected back in the 1930s because very few lived that long. the original plan was therefore more people would pay in than would receive their money back. In other words originally the plan was most people would never receive any of their money back.

    Next time most of you receive your yearly statement of contributions, look at how much you have contributed. Do the math. When we retire, depending on our monthly payment, most of us will receive every penny we paid in about 10 years. Problem? Yes, more people are living longer and collecting longer. Meaning collecting beyond what they paid into the system.

    You baby boomers, you are the pig in the python. We had to build more schools, hire more teachers, etc., to provide for your massive numbers. But you, perhaps because of your green environmental responsibility, didn't have as many children as your parents or grandparents did. That means as your massive demographic group retires, there are fewer people paying into the system but many more taking out.

    As one of the first people born in the post-baby boom generation, I am growing weary of hearing how you have paid into the system and won't be getting your money back. Not only will you be getting your money, but thanks to the miracles of modern bigpharma drugs, you will be living longer and also getting my money.

    Face it folks. Social Security, although well-intentioned, has become a vast ponzi scheme. It makes me sad to think of my parents, grandparents, in-laws, and any senior, being financially troubled, but the reality is that is the road on which we are heading.

    -- Posted by inthemiddle on Tue, Jul 26, 2011, at 12:00 PM
  • Buttons then you had better stay away from voting for any candidate of the Republican Party on the federal level, you too Gal66. They are he*l bent on "reforming" Social Security, and even privatizing it if they can get a large enough majority in Congress. They also will do everything they can to screw up Medicare. They are in love with the concept of privatizing it, and then giving seniors vouchers to pay for it. What happens when the vouchers aren't enough to meet the premiums demanded by the private health carriers. Old folks will be screwed, that's what.

    By the way you better be darn sure what Democratic candidates are strong for, before giving them your vote. Usually there is at least one in Democratic primaries that is truly a candidate of the people. It is easy to tell which one it is. It is most often the candidate with the least amount of campaign funds. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Jul 26, 2011, at 12:10 PM
  • buttons: You wrote, "I understand the gov. is wanting to cut social security, and after next month there may not be any more checks sent out."

    You can relax, at least for the time being. Whoever told you that Social Security checks would be stopping next month doesn't know what he/she is talking about. If Congress doesn't take action within the next few days to raise the debt ceiling, it's possible Social Security checks and other payments like it, could be DELAYED, that's all. I'm not suggesting that's a good thing, only that it's the ONLY thing that's going on with Social Security, at least for the moment.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Tue, Jul 26, 2011, at 1:55 PM
  • Eric,

    About your story on last night's police pursuit that ended on Morrow Circle. I offer a gentle reminder, there is no longer any street by that name. For future reference Morrow Circle, Vest Circle, High Circle, and College Circle all had their names changed after the 9-1-1 system was implemented. I know, its like asking directions from my grandmother in St. Louis, she calls all streets by their old names even though they've been changed 40 years or more.

    -- Posted by inthemiddle on Tue, Jul 26, 2011, at 1:58 PM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    Fixed. Thanks!
  • inthemiddle: I think you're missing the point of the discussion regarding cutting SS benefits for the elderly.

    I turned 65 this year, and I know just exactly how much I've contributed for the 46 years I've been working, and I wouldn't have a lot of trouble figuring out what I will be paying in future years while I continue to work. Fully realizing that SS is intended to be a supplement to my retirement, I deliberately chose to work at a large corporation, which offered me a pension, and took full advantage of the 401k plan I was offered.

    Probably could have saved more if I hadn't paid a big hunk of college tuition for my child, of course, let's not forget that. And there was a wedding, moderately-priced, but still money I could have saved and didn't.

    With inflation at perhaps 3%, it won't take long for the value of my pension to decline by 50%, will it? And how about the hit my 401k took in the midst of the financial crisis we've recently seen (and which continues)?

    Suppose my 401K contained all the money I've paid into SS? Would that make a difference? Sure - I'd have lost even more than I did, and I was a conservative investor.

    And what about my house? Got a little problem there, too, don't we?

    Oh, and one more thing - my parents worked until they were in their 70s. Mom retired at 72, my Dad at 75. I expect to work a few more years before I hang it up, too, though not as long as they did.

    You're right - we're the pig in the python, we baby boomers. But without us, YOU would not exist. What needs to happen with Social Security is that EVERYONE should be doing some belt-tightening, from Warren Buffet and Bill Gates, to the nitwits running the House and the Senate on down to the least among us. Don't dump it all on seniors.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Tue, Jul 26, 2011, at 2:14 PM
  • Actually, the only say Social Security checks would be delayed next month or anytime in the next decade, would be if the Administration ordered the Treasury to not send them out. If you'll remember a few months ago during the Budget talks, we were told by top Democrats that Social Security is solvent for at least 20 more years and doesn't add to the current debt. Here's why: The Social Security Trust is sitting on 2.4 trillion (yes, trillion)dollars in US Treasury Bonds. If the Social Security Administration needs to pay out more than they take in each month, they can cash in the Treasury Bonds to make up the difference. Since these Bonds are US debt, every dollar cashed in reduces debt and can be borrowed to pay the Social Security Trust without adding to the debt or going over the ceiling. So, if SS needs 100 million dollars next month, they can cash in 100 million in bonds, the US can borrow that money to pay for the bonds because they are reducing the debt dollar for dollar of what they are borrowing, and everyone receives their SS money.

    So, when politicians are on tv tellling you that you might not get your check next month, they are lying to you. Social Security has the money avaible to not only pay you, but to pay you on time. The only way this doesn't happen is by choice of the Administration, not because of the those mean old evil greedy Republicans.

    -- Posted by Reader101 on Tue, Jul 26, 2011, at 2:50 PM
  • Kathy, it was actually Mr. Obama who made the statement about the social security checks.


    Have a great day!


    -- Posted by missy08 on Tue, Jul 26, 2011, at 4:33 PM
  • miss08, good to see you again, and yes, you're correct that President did say it was POSSIBLE, though he wasn't the only one saying it or at least implying it.

    Reader101 - if what you say is true, and I'm assuming you're correct on the facts, then what is the problem to begin with? What's the need for cuts in Social Security? There are plenty of ways to remedy any shortfalls, but again I say - the burden has to fall on EVERYONE, not just on those of us who, in fact, did do a pretty good job of planning and saving for retirement. There are some who couldn't - always that will be true. It's hard to get a pension when you can't work at all, either because you are disabled or because you're one of the long-term unemployed. What is the remedy for people who can't pay into the system at all because they can't find work?

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Tue, Jul 26, 2011, at 5:00 PM
  • Regarding comments on SSI, I thought sharing an email received yesterday, might be of interest. Of course it comments on a few other issues, also, nonetheless it's something to think about.


    What the .... is wrong here?

    Remember, not only did you contribute to Social Security but your employer did too. It totaled 15% of your income before taxes. If you averaged only 30K over your working life, that's close to $220,500. If you calculate the future value of $4,500 per year (yours & your employer's contribution) at a simple 5% (less than what the govt. pays on the money that it borrows), after 49 years of working (me) you'd have $892,919.98. If you took out only 3% per year, you receive $26,787.60 per year and it would last better than 30 years, and that's with no interest paid on that final amount on deposit! If you bought an annuity and it paid 4% per year, you'd have a lifetime income of $2,976.40 per month. The folks in Washington have pulled off a bigger Ponzi scheme than Bernie Madoff ever had.

    Entitlement my.... I paid cash for my social security insurance!!!! Just because they borrowed the money, doesn't make my benefits some kind of charity or handout!! Congressional benefits, aka. free health care, outrageous retirement packages, 67 paid holidays, three weeks paid vacation, unlimited paid sick days, now that's welfare, and they have the nerve to call my retirement entitlements !!!!!!

    Emergency Rooms for their general health care -At just one hospital the cost to tax payers totaled over 25 million a year!!!

    Someone please tell me what the .....'s wrong with all the people that run this country!!!!!!

    We're "broke" & can't help our own Seniors, Veterans, Orphans, Homeless etc.,???????????

    In the last months we have provided aid to Haiti , Chile , and Turkey . And now Pakistan home of bin Laden. Literally, BILLIONS of DOLLARS!!!

    Our retired seniors living on a 'fixed income' receive no aid nor do they get any breaks while our government and religious organizations pour Hundreds of Billions of $$$$$$'s and Tons of Food to Foreign Countries!

    They call Social Security and Medicare an entitlement even though most of us have been paying for it all our working lives and now when its time for us to collect, the government is running out of money. Why did the government borrow from it in the first place?

    We have hundreds of adoptable children who are shoved aside to make room for the adoption of foreign orphans.

    AMERICA: a country where we have homeless without shelter, children going to bed hungry, elderly going without 'needed' meds, and mentally ill without treatment -etc,etc.


    They have a 'Benefit' for the people of Haiti on 12 TV stations, ships and planes lining up with food, water, tents clothes, bedding, doctors and medical supplies.

    Imagine if the *GOVERNMENT* gave 'US' the same support they give to other countries .




    -- Posted by nouveaublogger on Wed, Jul 27, 2011, at 10:44 PM
  • nouveaublogger: Let me lay another log on the fire. The baby boom generation did not suddenly show up with its hand out, begging for money. This population bulge has been noted and discussed with alarm for as long as I can remember, especially with regard to its influence on Social Security and other social welfare programs, and then studiously IGNORED by every politician on both sides of the political aisle in the last half of the 20th century. It's a classic example of Nero fiddling while Rome burned. It's not a problem NOW - it's been a problem in the making for more than 60 years.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Thu, Jul 28, 2011, at 5:18 AM
  • Amen Kathy.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Jul 28, 2011, at 10:13 AM
  • and just maybe it should be laid at the feet of not only the bureaucrats who have misused and mis-spent the funds - but also the baby boomers who HAVE NOT paid into the fund but expect to be (or already are) benefitting from what others have paid in ...

    just saying ...


    -- Posted by zeke on Thu, Jul 28, 2011, at 3:14 PM
  • zeke: Which baby boomers would those be?

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Thu, Jul 28, 2011, at 5:04 PM
  • Well actually Kathy, myself and all my siblings would be here since both my parents were born before the baby boom and we were born after. I am sorry if I touched a raw nerve for some of you baby boomers. My point was not an indictment of the baby boom generation. I was merely pointing out that your generation (supposing you are a BB) threw the entire plan off track thus proving the old addage of the best laid plans of both mice and men.

    However remember, Baby boomers also began what has come to be known as the "Me generation." Again, not meant to be an indictment. While the BB have been very socially and environmentally conscious, they have also as a group, been self-absorbed and helped begin the American need for having it now. Grandparents had to scrimp, save, and go without to get through both the Great Depression and WWII. Subsequent generations (and I include myself) didn't/don't want to wait. Why save when you can use credit to have it now, much like our attitude towards government spending.

    I heard a statment yesterday, and I am not sure of the accuracy. Beginning with the Baby Boomer generation we are adding over 5,000 people each day to the Social Security rolls.

    -- Posted by inthemiddle on Thu, Jul 28, 2011, at 5:24 PM
  • Social Security is making money. It is Medicare that is bleeding money.

    -- Posted by mu-grad on Thu, Jul 28, 2011, at 5:57 PM
  • Dead on inthe middle, but don't forget it was at the extreme urging of corporate inspired social psychologist's pervasive techniques, and commercial television that we bought into it like a bunch of sheep. Baaad business.

    As G. W. Bush said after 9-11, just keep on shopping. He WAS straight forward at times. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Jul 28, 2011, at 6:14 PM
  • inthemiddle: Indeed I am a BB - born in 1946, on the leading edge of the generation. What you are still failing to see is that the numbers of my generation rose steadily throughout the period of 1946 through 1964. We were not a surprise and we did not go unnoticed. Politicians have been wringing their hands since I was in high school (graduated 1964) about "What to do, what to do," and nothing has been done in all those years. Every single politician in the period from then to now has ignored the fact that something should be done. They did nothing. That's not my fault (nor it is yours), but I assure you that the 76 million of us who are in the BB generation are not going to give up the benefits we absolutely DID earn and PAY for throughout our working lives without a blistering and ugly fight, even if we have to fight our children and grandchildren.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Thu, Jul 28, 2011, at 6:36 PM
  • Anyone who's interested in the ORIGINAL purpose of the 1935 legislation, go here:


    -- Posted by Slater on Thu, Jul 28, 2011, at 7:08 PM
  • MU-GRAD, don't know what you mean by Msdicare milking money, but I can tell you I pay & 93.50 every month for my medicare, they pay nothing on my Drs. bill. I have a deductable I have to meet before they pay, and thats usually the 3rd. week of Dec.

    I don't go to the Dr. very often, just my 3 month checkup, SO they get my money all year and pay nothing. Is that fair??? No, but nothing I can do. Its for sure I'm NOT milking medicare

    -- Posted by buttons on Thu, Jul 28, 2011, at 7:10 PM
  • The genesis of the legislation rests in the economic calamity of the Great Depression. FDR's proposal showed the American people that his administration was not abandoning them in a time of dire straits.

    Kathy said it right that the impact of baby boom beginning in the late 1940's was no surprise, and anyone who believes that hasn't been paying attention. If there's a problem with current funding, it results from other parts of the government "borrowing" the money that was to be set aside (by law) to fund the program. Social Security is NOT broke, nor will it ever be as long as the country exists, or until the crooked politicians overturn the law.

    -- Posted by Slater on Thu, Jul 28, 2011, at 7:44 PM
  • I was outside for a fair amount of time today (too much time in the sun, in other words), and my pea brain got baked. lol

    I said, "Kathy said..., and anyone who believes that hasn't been paying attention."

    How about, "...and anyone who believes that it has been a surprise hasn't been paying attention."

    There. :)

    -- Posted by Slater on Thu, Jul 28, 2011, at 7:54 PM
  • buttons: You raised a point I had forgotten to mention. Medicare is NOT free. I pay $115 per month out of my SS check, out of which I ALSO pay Missouri state tax and Federal tax. I'm not complaining, just pointing out the facts.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Thu, Jul 28, 2011, at 8:03 PM
  • We need National Health Care.Obama just hurt us with this Plan! Poverty is too low to Qualify for anything unless your living in a Dumpster! I want them to put their Wages and Perks on the table also! We need Flat Taxes,bring our Fighting Men home form every place in the world,at least until we get our debts in check,NO foreign aid,until this is accomplished! Put our money back in to Social Security,and leave it alone! Get this Consumer Protection Agency established,Obama should have fought for Elizabeth Warren! Have 2year Term Limits on all Government offices,(National,State,City! Get rid of all these Professional Politicians! How about that? It would take a Revolution to do this.But if the People would get on board it could be done,WE ARE THEIR **** BOSS,NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND? DO CHARACTER CHECKS ON THE ONES THATS ALREADY THEIR AND DO SOME PROSECUTIONS! I would like to see the little black book they confiscated from the Washington Madam. They said she and one of her girls were found Hanged after their Arrest,HOW CONVENIANT FOR THE **** LEDERS OF THIS COUNTRY,don't you think??? Okla your picks for these Offices,i could go for that,right on!

    -- Posted by Jo on Fri, Jul 29, 2011, at 12:03 AM
  • Hey Eric,

    I know that all this stuff is topical, but I know where to find it if I want politics.

    Can we get this stuff moved to the correct folder?


    -- Posted by Interested Too on Fri, Jul 29, 2011, at 3:53 PM
  • Nana,

    Just because 10% of it isn't politics, doesn't make it apolitical.

    Besides, people are using these posts to make a political statement.

    I want to read about the community, people involved in it, and events here.

    If I want politics, I'll go to the political section.

    Sorry, but I guess we can let Eric make the call.

    -- Posted by Interested Too on Sat, Jul 30, 2011, at 12:26 PM
  • Read Gorrell's story on broadband (we didn't ask for) potentially overriding GPS. Broadband company was okayed before testing that showed potential problems for many, maybe farmers in our area. Recently I learned a little about recording archaeological sites, and GPS replaces rectilinear surveys. There's so much GPS is used for. Our Senators signed a letter to FCC supporting no interference to GPS. Hartzler hasn't yet but likely would support clear GPS signals for rural areas if she understands potential consequences. Gorrell's piece is worth reading.

    -- Posted by former editor on Sat, Jul 30, 2011, at 12:55 PM
  • Interested Too fill up the blog with whatever you wish, speak out about it. So what else is on your mind? Hot here today, how about there?

    To me the bigger problem is that if we wait for something else to show up that is absolutely devoid of politics then nothing is posted. We have gone for days of stagnancy on this blog. Nothing new is posted, then if someone posts something that does have any political overtones the regular complainers start up again.

    Is it for some of you a preference for nothing, on the blog as opposed to any political content? What is your definition of politics? Is asking you to enter into discussion as to your tastes as I am now doing considered politics in your minds?

    I await discussion.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Jul 30, 2011, at 4:02 PM
  • OK,

    I hope that was a rhetorical question, as of course, just mentioning politics is not political. It is when people use adjectives to discuss things like healthcare, or a politician that they are entering their political views.

    Anyway, there is no need to fill something up, just because it is stagnant for a few days.

    Maybe it is stagnant because there isn't that much to talk about.

    It is hot here as well, and we had some welcome rain. It appears that there is some activity near the college, so it is almost time for the early students to show.

    Grass is brown, weeds are almost brown, so no reason to mow....yet.

    Hope all is well in Oklahoma, but I suspect it is too hot there for meaningful outdoor activity during daylight hours.

    -- Posted by Interested Too on Sat, Jul 30, 2011, at 4:35 PM
  • "I want to read about the community, people involved in it, and events here."

    Me too.

    So what is going on in the community? Any events worth mentioning right now? Does anyone have anything to say about anyone involved in the community? Any untold stories out there about Marshall past, present, or future?

    Here is a prompt. What to you is the most celebrated sports success of Marshall high school in the last fifty five years, or forever if you will? Who has been the best athlete to come out of Marshall High?

    Or, what has been the best year ever for the corn crop in the county, and why? And, if it is not too political, is it too hard to determine the best year because fertilizers, and other crop additives blur differences?

    What kind of hunting is best (available game) in Saline County these days, and where are the hot spots? Quail? Rabbit? Dove? Deer? Racoon (do people still coon hunt)?

    If there was a city flower in Marshall what should it be? Ditch lily? Lilac? Something else? Why?

    O. K. I am waiting.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Jul 30, 2011, at 4:40 PM
  • Most of the days of July it has been over one hundred degrees. No rain of consequence, even what little rain is recorded is not accurate for the city as a whole, because two or more inches fell in a miniscule cloud burst over the airport weather station from which the official records are garnered. Nintey percent of the city on that day got a couple of tenths of an inch, or nothing.

    Worst ever, our entire state is a heat/drougth disaster area.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Jul 30, 2011, at 4:51 PM
  • The weather down here has been pretty disgusting, too, with 20-some days of 100+ temps. Two years ago we had 56 consecutive days of 100+ temps which broke the old record of 30-some.

    The weather, it is a'changin' thanks to our continued abuse of the environment.

    -- Posted by Slater on Sat, Jul 30, 2011, at 8:16 PM
  • Thanks Slater, across the nation it appears to be the same. Hot, hot, hot. Here is a one hit wonder reprise. Enjoy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrhf_zgtmAg

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Jul 30, 2011, at 9:30 PM
  • Tired of waiting.

    Best athlete, Basketball: Stewart Sherard. Played at Army. MVP of the College All Star Game, I believe 1962. No one else close. Lit it up in the All Star game. It was televised. (Hi to Carolie if you read this blog)

    Best athlete, Football: Don Abney, 1958; Jim Tobin, 1963?; Charles Quint, 1986? I am sure there are others that have support for this category. Who, and when?

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Jul 30, 2011, at 10:12 PM
  • Hey ND - Even many of the water wasters are at least pretending to conserve. It's always dry here, and now even moreso. I've heard a few people say they believe the weeds have thrown in the towel.

    OKR, that's one one-hit-wonder I'd forgotten. :)

    -- Posted by Slater on Sun, Jul 31, 2011, at 1:06 AM
  • Best Football game: Owls at Mexico in 1986, miracle comeback at the end.

    Most excitng Basketball game: Loss in overtime at home to Anthony Peeler.

    Coldest Football game: home against Helias 86?

    Best sports program: Girl's Tennis. Final Fours, State qualifiers, District and Conference Championships--they need 2 banners in the gym for their accomplishments.

    -- Posted by mu-grad on Sun, Jul 31, 2011, at 10:05 AM
  • Wrong, mu-grad. Best football game: Marshall vs. Slater, 1957. Marshall won in the last 11 seconds, thanks to the miracle run by your Don Abney (whose shoelaces broke - this according to OKR) as he ran back the kickoff for the winning score.

    We had scored to tie the game at 19, and then missed the extra point try. With 11 seconds remaining, our kicker put the ball in the air, against the coach's instruction, and Abney took the kick, and the rest is history, as they say.

    Slater had not beaten Marshall since 1948, when we won 61-0 (my brother scored 4 td's in that one), and Slater did not beat Marshall again until either 1964 or '65, right before the conference was broken up.

    Incidentally, our coach for that '57 game was Don Norvell, a 1948 graduate of Marshall High School.

    -- Posted by Slater on Sun, Jul 31, 2011, at 11:57 AM
  • Maybe we need a sports blog.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Sun, Jul 31, 2011, at 1:27 PM
  • Good stuff guys.

    Kathy: Maybe we need about...I'd say, fifteen or so new blogs? Sports, Gossip, Housing, General Grumping, Lost pets and Animal stories, Poetry, et al. We could leave the original Speak Out for the purists, dedicating it for only weather, street closings, and the occasional person found over night in street, ditch, or yard. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Jul 31, 2011, at 2:54 PM
  • Yes! General grumping! Sounds perfect.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Sun, Jul 31, 2011, at 3:07 PM
  • On second thought maybe the original Speak Out column should just be converted to General Grumping, otherwise those running to the G. G. blog would leave original Speak Out wordless. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Jul 31, 2011, at 3:17 PM
  • YES!! Blogs for all occasions! Like the Thornton Melon line from Back to School: "Shakespeare for everyone!" :)

    -- Posted by Slater on Sun, Jul 31, 2011, at 4:07 PM
  • Cheetah, that's a COOL idea!! I'll start my list now! :)

    Amen to the cheesy Daingerfield movies, but I LOVE all of them!

    -- Posted by Slater on Sun, Jul 31, 2011, at 4:56 PM
  • Cheetah, Cheetah...you couldn't have known. Eric and Amy (and the kids) are HUGE movie people. I bow before their superior knowledge in this field. Prepare to be dazzled.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Sun, Jul 31, 2011, at 5:53 PM
  • MU-grad I saw the game in 86 and your right it was a great game, but I think the game in Mexico the last Year Coach Bell was here was just as good if not better.

    I can not remember the score for sure but both teams scored in the 40's we could not stop their running game and they could not stop our passing game Scott Fann set a bunch of Marshall passing records in that game.

    Another great game and it may have been the same year was the Fulton @ Marshall game our guys are driving late in the 4th quarter to ice the game when somehow out of the pile comes a Fulton player with the ball heading for a score to go ahead with less than a minute to go, We got the ball deep in our own end of the field after 3 plays and just a few seconds left on the clock Doug Ritter took the pitch and broke a long run to win the game.

    Another great game was the win over Rockbridge a few years ago when Shawn McCracken kicked a long field goal as time ran out.

    -- Posted by Gal66 on Mon, Aug 1, 2011, at 10:34 AM
  • I so want to post on the blog about movie lines...but I CLEARLY don't watch enough movies!!!!! To all of you that have posted - KUDOS...you're all awesome!


    -- Posted by koeller77 on Mon, Aug 1, 2011, at 1:37 PM
  • K77- It's easy, All you have to do is Google "Movie Quotes" and you get thousands of them!

    -- Posted by luvthoseowls on Mon, Aug 1, 2011, at 2:18 PM
  • Thanks for sharing G66.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Aug 1, 2011, at 2:33 PM
  • Vicky Hartzler voted no on the debt ceiling bill today (august 1). She said the no vote was a vote for "fiscal discipline."

    -- Posted by mu-grad on Mon, Aug 1, 2011, at 7:07 PM
  • What ever that means MUGrad. If we could just get these public schools shut down we wouldn't have a deficit. If we could also do away with Medicare we would have a surplus. I am sure that the Republican agenda will assure continued work on the deficit. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Aug 1, 2011, at 7:14 PM
  • I think it means that many incumbents will be in trouble in 2012. If you have watched all the talking heads on tv, our representatives have not distinguished themselves as leaders of our democratic society.

    -- Posted by mu-grad on Mon, Aug 1, 2011, at 7:24 PM
  • Thomas Jefferson a consitution writer and president said it best A goverment big enough to give you money is a goverment big enough to take your money.

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Mon, Aug 1, 2011, at 7:51 PM
  • Jason 1969 - Except that Jefferson didn't say it and neither did Barry Goldwater, the other person who often gets credit for this statement. It was actually former President Gerald R. Ford.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Mon, Aug 1, 2011, at 9:44 PM
  • 109 today, 110 tommorow. :( whew!

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Aug 2, 2011, at 1:32 PM
  • Does anyone know if Marshall will be participating in the Tax-Free weekend? I think it may be this coming up weekend, but I've not heard much about it.

    -- Posted by luvthoseowls on Tue, Aug 2, 2011, at 1:49 PM
  • Post agreement poll:

    "The approval ratings for Congress on the survey hit a new low of just 14 percent, a 12-point fall since January, when 26 percent approved the way Congress handles its job."


    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Aug 2, 2011, at 3:31 PM
  • Luvthoseowls...


    It looks like Saline county is NOT participating according to the state website.

    -- Posted by patron on Tue, Aug 2, 2011, at 4:54 PM
  • and on another list just for cities, Sedalia is also NOT participating.


    -- Posted by patron on Tue, Aug 2, 2011, at 4:55 PM
  • That's really disappointing. Marshall hasn't participated in the past, but Sedalia always did.

    -- Posted by luvthoseowls on Tue, Aug 2, 2011, at 5:00 PM
  • Marshall and Sedalia Walmarts will be participating in tax free weekend beginning Aug 5th and ending on the 7th. This is confirmed. Thanks

    -- Posted by Jessa on Tue, Aug 2, 2011, at 5:33 PM
  • I have a book of quotes and it created my quote to Thomas Jefferson did further research and yes Gerald Ford did say it but he was quoting Thomas Jefferson.

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Wed, Aug 3, 2011, at 4:28 AM
  • Jason -

    Out of sheer curiosity, I found this Monticello reference to the quote. It indicates that no such quote has ever been found in Jefferson's writings, and gives several sources. Jefferson would not be the first to be misquoted (or misattributed) repeatedly and in print!:


    -- Posted by koeller77 on Wed, Aug 3, 2011, at 7:41 AM
  • For you music lovers out there these are just down right cool.

    Thought you might enjoy these.



    -- Posted by Gal66 on Thu, Aug 4, 2011, at 11:17 AM
  • Gal66 - Amazing artistry! Thanks for posting. :)

    -- Posted by Slater on Thu, Aug 4, 2011, at 11:35 AM
  • Intersting stuff G66. Thanks

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Aug 4, 2011, at 12:53 PM
  • Slater and OKR if you all do facebook he has a fan page listed under Keith Medley Music he has more songs on there you can listen to if you like.

    You know I really think some people can see music and then make there hands see it too.

    -- Posted by Gal66 on Thu, Aug 4, 2011, at 1:16 PM
  • May be true G66. Thanks again.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Aug 4, 2011, at 1:57 PM
  • This is too good to not share. Though designed for third world applications, I can see applications in this country, dark sheds on farms where electricity isn't installed for instance.


    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Aug 4, 2011, at 2:01 PM
  • Americans For Prosperity sends absentee ballots to Wisconsin Family Action instead of the place they were supposed to go and sent incorrect filing dates to citizens of Wisconsin.

    This is why outside money influencing our Democratic process is a bad thing and Americans for prosperity should be shut down and fined.


    -- Posted by cheesehead on Thu, Aug 4, 2011, at 4:52 PM
  • Does anyone have any information as to why the city pool has turned green? Is this a chemical problem or some type of bacteria problem?

    -- Posted by soccerma77 on Thu, Aug 4, 2011, at 4:53 PM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    I sent email to the parks dept. & will post the reply.
  • http://www.sedaliademocrat.com/articles/tax-35911-school-holiday.html

    There will be tax free weekend in Sedalia this weekend Aug 5th -7th

    -- Posted by Jessa on Thu, Aug 4, 2011, at 5:42 PM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    Except, as the article notes, "the city of Sedalia does not participate in the tax holiday."

    The city of Marshall, however, does participate in the sales tax holiday.

  • Re: greenish water at the Marshall Aquatic Center. Jeff Stubblefield says "all the chemical tests on the water are fine." He's not certain yet what's causing the greenish color, but he said the staff is doing research.

    -- Posted by Eric Crump on Thu, Aug 4, 2011, at 6:40 PM
  • Just a guess, but perhaps ALGAE???

    -- Posted by Interested Too on Thu, Aug 4, 2011, at 9:38 PM
  • What color do you get when you mix blue with yellow?

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Aug 4, 2011, at 11:46 PM
  • Seriously IF chlorine is the base chemical used at the pool several factors can cause the water to turn greenish, and the pool may need a chlorine shock.

    Factors: Recent heavy rains (dilution), extremely hot weather ( causes chlorine to be consumed more rapidly), Heavy pool use (an influx of liquid contaminents).

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Aug 5, 2011, at 12:12 AM
  • My favorite color is burnt sienna.

    -- Posted by Slater on Fri, Aug 5, 2011, at 12:23 AM
  • The chlorine in the pool water turned my hair green. Linda Sellmeyer and I had green hair during the summers.

    -- Posted by Slater on Fri, Aug 5, 2011, at 12:25 AM
  • Most likely, the water has taken on a green tint because it hasn't been maintained properly - wrong chemical mixture allowing the development of algae.

    -- Posted by Slater on Fri, Aug 5, 2011, at 12:28 AM
    Response by Sarah Reed/Staff writer:
    I spoke with a park official this morning who said the pH and chlorine levels are right where they need to be. This has happened in several pools this summer and some are attributing it to extreme heat with the addition of last week's rain. Staff members plan on shocking the water again, and according to the park director the water is safe.
  • Gal66 - I'm not on Facebook but my wife is and I'll have her look up his page. Thanks for the info!

    -- Posted by Slater on Fri, Aug 5, 2011, at 12:31 AM
  • I'm still waiting for a "Stupid Parent Law" to be enacted so generations of incarceration could be reduced. It wouldn't hurt if, in the meantime, family history of incarceration, illicit drug use, criminal activity, child abuse and neglect was a factor in creating at least a high risk flag for children at birth, and those high risk flags were followed closely. Hope it happens in my lifetime.

    -- Posted by ADVK8 on Fri, Aug 5, 2011, at 1:05 PM
  • Well said. Early childhood intervention is the only thing that will break the chain of unfortunate consequences.

    Sadly, it seems we are going backward cutting existing programs instead of proactive additions.

    I haven't heard much of it, but family mentors would be productive. Someone has to teach those new parents what they were not taught by their own parents.

    This state of mind, focus on the short haul, is our undoing in far too many categories.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Aug 5, 2011, at 1:47 PM
  • I think this is pretty cool.

    NASA launches Juno robot to explore Jupiter's birth


    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Fri, Aug 5, 2011, at 10:12 PM
  • Sure it's cool. It's science, not superstition.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, Aug 5, 2011, at 10:36 PM
  • Wow what was the purpose of that?

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Fri, Aug 5, 2011, at 11:12 PM
  • Neat stuff rr3, thanks for sharing.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Aug 6, 2011, at 1:07 AM
  • Thirty one American troops killed in Afghanistan including more than twenty Navy SEALS. Another sad day for our country. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/06/31-american-troops-killed_n_920063.html...

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Aug 6, 2011, at 12:58 PM
  • The thought occurs to me that at age seventy the only way one may appear well preserved is to stay pickled for the rest of life.

    It further occurs to me that a broader perception of that well preserved facade may only result if one insists that all in company stay pickled.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Aug 7, 2011, at 3:00 PM
  • OKR, if you are still upright after your post of 3 p.m. take it from this ancient one: Eschew the brew. Cheers!

    -- Posted by upsedaisy on Sun, Aug 7, 2011, at 10:49 PM
  • Just jesting UpseDaisy, I probably average two to three beers, or mixed drinks a week.

    You probably knew that I eschew the brew, and I hope that you do too. ;)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Aug 7, 2011, at 11:25 PM
  • Missouri state fair begins Thursday. I would like to read stories of favorite memories of the fair.

    My favorite memory was my mom and dad telling us we were going back to school shopping. Instead they took us to the fair. My mom and dad laughing at us when we started jumping up and down after we got there! What a great day!

    -- Posted by meagain on Mon, Aug 8, 2011, at 6:32 PM
  • meagain mine was the first time I went when I was 11 I had so much fun in the conservation area casting at the targets and riding rides in the midway.

    We took our own food so at noon we went back to the car and had fried chicken, potato salad, baked beans and iced tea.

    Man what a day

    Thanks meagain for making me think about days gone by

    -- Posted by Gal66 on Tue, Aug 9, 2011, at 9:50 AM
  • I too remember going to the fair a lot as a child because it always fell on my birthday. We too would take cold fried chicken, and potato salad and all the fixins and go to the truck for lunch. I am always reminded of these good times every year!

    -- Posted by momof3girls on Tue, Aug 9, 2011, at 11:17 AM
  • What happened to the power?

    -- Posted by meagain on Tue, Aug 9, 2011, at 4:37 PM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    A tree fell & hit a 161,000-volt line north of Watermill Rd.
  • Have power back now - but it was perhaps a fairly widespread outage. I'm on southeast side of town, husband on northeast side at work - both places out for an hour.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Tue, Aug 9, 2011, at 4:43 PM
  • Oops - that was wrong - husband on northWEST side.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Tue, Aug 9, 2011, at 4:49 PM
  • Seems like in days gone by fried chicken with the family at the fair was a staple. In the 1940s we use to kill, and fry the chickens early, then on to the fair. It was kept unrefrigerated in a picnic basket. No one ever got sick. Try that with fried chicken today if you dare.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Aug 9, 2011, at 5:31 PM
  • I really enjoy the first day of the fair. We have made it a tradition to go. We picnic at lunchtime. My sister in law and myself make a game out of collecting "free stuff". We tally it up at the end of the day to see who got what. Both of us donate all the loot to our children's classrooms. It is always enjoyable! I can't wait until Thursday!

    -- Posted by meagain on Tue, Aug 9, 2011, at 5:52 PM
  • We all know things are completely out of balance. The savants of high finance feed us full of mumbo jumbo about the self proclaimed brilliance of their endeavors. They spiel it in a way that most folks can't understand, and then reward themselves with overnight fortunes. Far too many of us are in awe of them, and believe that they are at the least entitled to a goodly portion of their rewards.

    Folks, I have a six month old puppy that has mastered their shtick.

    I got this pup when she was five weeks old, and as her master I can't help proclaiming that she indeed is a smart one. Early on she learned to snatch something of value to members of our household that happened to be in a dormant or transitory state at the moment. At first she would attempt to eat it on the spot, no matter how bland, or unsavory. This was a limited reward for her effort. She nevertheless would run through the house refusing to let go of the item, dodging, and devouring at the same time.

    Wanting to educate her to the fullest extent her abilities would allow, I decided to teach her the Wall Street financial game. I began to entice her with a treat, something that was more gratifying than what she had purloined. In nearly no time she learned to hold that unopened utility bill, that refund check, or what have you, gently in her mouth.

    She would still dart about the house, scrambling here, and there, evading all efforts at returning the item to where it was supposed to be before it resumed its pre-ordained path. She would then return, and stand within a few feet of me, tail wagging, with I swear, a big toothy grin enveloping the envelope in her mouth. As soon as I offered her a dog biscuit she would come to me, lay the envelope next to my foot, take the dog biscuit, and walk off to enjoy the fruits of her transaction. On her own she learned to up the ante, at times making the arbitrary decision that the particular item she possessed was worth two dog biscuits. What was I to do? Due to her salesmanship, and my vulnerable position I had no choice, but to acquiesce. I look at our situation philosophically, realizing that a few dog biscuits are not too high a price to play a game that we both enjoy. I am not upset that she has created nothing, that she has only interrupted the flow of our household economy, and that she is being rewarded for her transgressions.

    As a matter of fact I would not mind giving those Wall Street wizards a few dog biscuits just to watch them perform. That is, excepting those like Bernie Madoff that refuse to play by the rules, and never learn to not eat what they have snatched. Those guys must be put in a cage for a time out. No dog biscuits for them, and nothing but dog biscuits for those monetary magicians who are only doing what my little puppy has learned to do.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Aug 9, 2011, at 11:36 PM
  • Just an FYI if anyone is heading to Columbia and can wait to fill up, do! Gas prices in Columbia were $3.19 this morning; that's a .30 cent/gallon savings over Marshall's gas stations.

    -- Posted by born-n-raised on Wed, Aug 10, 2011, at 1:02 PM
  • Gas is CHEAPER EVERYWHERE except in Marshall. We are encouraged to Shop Marshall !! WHY ??????

    -- Posted by fresh air on Wed, Aug 10, 2011, at 9:52 PM
  • I know there have always been all kinds of rumors floating around, but whatever happened to the local dude who won the Powerball? I thought the paper said they were gonna do a follow up after a period of time....or did I just miss it?

    -- Posted by outsider on Thu, Aug 11, 2011, at 11:01 AM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    We did not do a followup because we have no contact information for him.
  • Why, you are so very welcome News Across!! SOMEONE had to take Obama and his cronies' blank check away. Although, I guess it doesn't matter how much they spend since the Fed can just print more money. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6vi528gseA

    -- Posted by OMG! on Thu, Aug 11, 2011, at 11:35 AM
  • Soooooo, I noticed around town all those "coin drop" machines are missing. I just noticed the Sheriff's Dept loading one up at a local business. What gives??

    -- Posted by Scarpetta on Fri, Aug 12, 2011, at 12:31 PM
  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtube_gdata_player&v=Qk8_KG6yYKU

    check this out a cow loose at the park in marshall

    -- Posted by mtshell08 on Fri, Aug 12, 2011, at 5:54 PM
  • Why is it that every town around Marshall the gas is cheaper than here in town?

    -- Posted by mofireman on Sun, Aug 14, 2011, at 9:45 PM
  • It is ALWAYS higher, I have to go out of the Marshall area often and always buy my gas in those towns.

    -- Posted by fresh air on Mon, Aug 15, 2011, at 6:59 AM
  • Gas prices are always higher in Marshall, but my guess is that they're hangin on to the high prices so as to gouge State Fair travelers from out of the area....too bad us locals get gouged in the process also. Everyone just needs to remember how they were treated and buy their gas elsewhere.

    -- Posted by outsider on Mon, Aug 15, 2011, at 9:14 AM
  • Brilliant idea "outsider" I am going to start driving to Slater to buy my gas!

    -- Posted by tigger2118 on Mon, Aug 15, 2011, at 7:13 PM
  • Oh yes, we have had our share of fun at the state fair and all the fried chicken, potato salad, pie and cookies AND the only time anyone ever got sick was eating "fair food", so my folks always took plenty of our own and had picnic with neighbors that always went the same day we did.

    I also have a time with the "shop Marshall" campaign and I have no problem with that shopping at home--However I do have a proble with people at the doors at Walmart wanting me to make donations to "whatever" away from here and trying to make you feel guilty if you don't donate to their cause. Please let them know as I did that I give my donations locally and hopefully know where it is going, whether it be to benefet folks in our area or being sent to places like Joplin or charities such as cancer research, ect. Let's all let Walmart and anyother stores that allow these people to stand in their doors asking for money know that we don't appreciate it. Am I the only one that is tired of this!!!!

    -- Posted by farmerwife on Mon, Aug 15, 2011, at 7:49 PM
  • I agree "farmerwife" shopping at wal-mart is truly shopping at home! How dare these people sit out front of a store that has done so much for our town and harass us!

    -- Posted by tigger2118 on Mon, Aug 15, 2011, at 8:04 PM
  • Farmerwife,

    I am speechless! WOW!!

    -- Posted by Jessa on Mon, Aug 15, 2011, at 8:24 PM
  • It is very important for us to support the local businesses. I try to shop at home...meaning Marshall & Slater. I also donate to charity at home too. I believe we need to keep our local charities afloat. Specifically Butterfield, Lighthouse and Malta Bend Clothes Station. These programs benefit local individuals first.

    I know that we have to donate on a national basis to things like the Koman Breast Cancer, Amer Cancer Society, The Heart Association and also to Mission work of our church. But I first make sure that my local charities get my donation.

    My donations don't got to charities in front of Walmart for some unknown youth group. Or any yellow drop off boxes in some parking lot.

    Shop at Home??? I say Give locally first!!!

    -- Posted by salinemg on Tue, Aug 16, 2011, at 12:11 AM
  • Why do you suppose folks driving around the square in Marshall ignore the state law that holds them responsible for signaling turns? It sure would be nice to know if that big old pick-me-up truck is going to turn left or dart straight ahead into a vehicle trying to get into the traffic flow. That big old wrecker truck that parks in front of Cadwell's and blocks the view of oncoming traffic isn't exactly contributing to traffic safety, either.

    -- Posted by Pragmatist on Tue, Aug 16, 2011, at 1:18 AM
  • Yesterday at the dedication of the new Early Childhood Center in Slater, Mayor Stephen Allegri took the opportunity to brag on Slater grads who have gone on to shine in their professions. He didn't mention her by name, but he could well have been referring to this Columbia woman:


    -- Posted by Eric Crump on Tue, Aug 16, 2011, at 8:47 AM
  • Pragmatist,

    I know where you are coming from. My biggest problem on the square has been not knowing what signal I can give when going straight so those entering cars will quit running the stop sign and pulling out in front of me. When cars on the square don't signal, I'm just irritated that I've waited longer than necessary, but when entering cars just pull out when I haven't signaled because I'm going straight, it could cause a wreck.

    -- Posted by Philemon on Tue, Aug 16, 2011, at 9:05 AM
  • Just for a topic: what do folks here think about women with tattoos?

    -- Posted by Interested Too on Tue, Aug 16, 2011, at 9:11 AM
  • I personally think they are beautiful.

    -- Posted by speedfingers on Tue, Aug 16, 2011, at 9:26 AM
  • I personally do not think they are beautiful.

    -- Posted by luvthoseowls on Tue, Aug 16, 2011, at 10:57 AM
  • And you are entitled to your opinion just like I am entitled to mine.

    -- Posted by speedfingers on Tue, Aug 16, 2011, at 11:11 AM
  • I have a tattoo, not hundreds like I've seen. I only wish folks would wait until they are sure it's something they want! My family member just turned 18 and got like 5 or 6 odd looking things all across her back and they aren't even what I would call pretty but I suppose she likes them. Point being....she is not the one who has to see them, we do!! LOL Lot's of thought should go into etching on your body.

    -- Posted by wheresthelove on Tue, Aug 16, 2011, at 11:16 AM
  • I think it depends on the tattoo. I have seen tasteful, well-placed tattoos that are quite pretty. I have seen obnoxious, completely badly placed tattoos that make me want to rip their skin off.

    I don't find tattoos inherently awful - but I do think that people who have them should understand that if they are highly visible, they will be judged by their appearance (right or wrong)!

    -- Posted by koeller77 on Tue, Aug 16, 2011, at 2:11 PM
  • "interested too" what do you think of women who have short hair?

    -- Posted by tigger2118 on Tue, Aug 16, 2011, at 3:50 PM
  • tigger:

    Any successful style depends on the person's bone structure and how it fits with the personality of the person as well.

    I remember thinking that Sinead O'Conner was good looking, even when she was bald.

    I have no preferences either way.

    -- Posted by Interested Too on Tue, Aug 16, 2011, at 5:54 PM
  • I wasn't stating my opinion of tattoos, believe it or not.

    There has been a healthy discussion of it in my circle of friends, and we all thought we'd just toss it out there.

    I don't think anyone needs to please the rest of the world...in fact, if they do anything to their body to please anyone other than themself or maybe their dearest loved one, it is probably unhealthy.

    Thanks for being in the discussion.

    -- Posted by Interested Too on Tue, Aug 16, 2011, at 7:36 PM
  • Cheetah, to respond to your question: Absolutely nothing.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Tue, Aug 16, 2011, at 8:06 PM
  • As someone who has 9 Tattoos I'm with the people who say "What I do with my body is my business" But I choose to get mine where they could be covered if needed.

    -- Posted by Selmac8 on Wed, Aug 17, 2011, at 12:19 AM
  • Another successful former Saline Countian in the news today:


    -- Posted by Eric Crump on Wed, Aug 17, 2011, at 8:26 AM
  • wow has anybody else had issues with there house insurance doubleing since the new 911 addresse'shave come out... and know it goes up another 11% because of all the flooding and storm damages,,i have made no claims on my home insurance ,i guess i get punished because i live out of town,,,,,come on its not like i moved my house its still sitting in the same place,,,

    -- Posted by BOBCAT on Wed, Aug 17, 2011, at 4:35 PM
  • last week gas was 3.19 a gallon in columbia . and in marshall its is still 3.45 as of 3:00pm today

    -- Posted by BOBCAT on Wed, Aug 17, 2011, at 4:59 PM
  • Thank you Florida, Kentucky, & Missouri which are the first states that will require drug testing when applying for welfare. Some people are crying & calling this unconstitutional. How is this unconstitutional? It's OK to drug test people who work for their money, but not for those who don't?

    What do you think?

    -- Posted by meagain on Wed, Aug 17, 2011, at 6:15 PM
  • Gas will not go down in Marshall because Murphy's will not lower there price. They give a 10 cent discount so there price is actually $3.39. Why is gas at the same station in Columbia (breaktime) 30 cents cheaper than the one here? It is called sock it to us.

    -- Posted by sheepdip on Wed, Aug 17, 2011, at 6:26 PM
  • sheepdip, gas prices in Marshall were higher loooonng before Murphy's moved in. There are several locally owned stations to look to (all the Quick Runs & Northside). Call those owners and ask them why the prices are so high. I'm still laughing at the answer I was given. Needless to say, the local owners don't get my business. I would rather get robbed by the people I don't know, rather than my neighbors.

    -- Posted by born-n-raised on Wed, Aug 17, 2011, at 8:01 PM
  • "Born n raised" I have been driving to Slater to buy my gas! I am not paying those high prices either!

    -- Posted by tigger2118 on Wed, Aug 17, 2011, at 8:26 PM
  • Something fun to think about......What would you do or how would you spend if you won Powerball or Mega Millions?

    -- Posted by Mrs L.A.B. on Wed, Aug 17, 2011, at 9:22 PM
  • The Postal Service wants to change delivery service and lay off 120,000 employees in an effort to solve their fiscal crisis. As taxpayers would you rather them do that or get a government bailout? Just curious.....

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, Aug 18, 2011, at 7:53 AM
  • Agreed, NanaDot. Once a week would be enough. Time-sensitive items, like medicines, plants, etc., are already being shipped via alternate services.

    rr3yv0, I'd much rather see the US Postal Service address their problems in-house rather than holding out a hand to the government. But you knew that, didn't you?

    -- Posted by Pragmatist on Thu, Aug 18, 2011, at 9:47 AM
  • ND - Maybe once-a-week deliveries could reduce the amount of junk mail? I know in my case, getting our mail once a week would necessitate having to install a huge mailbox in order to hold all the junk that we're inundated by nowadays.

    Other than mail from family and friends, which is not in abundance, we don't need mail service at all. What bills we have, like utilities and such, are drafted from our bank account.

    Being ignorant of the facts, my observation is that the postal service has long been grossly mismanaged.

    I'm curious to know how rate increases have influenced the kinds of mail passing back and forth now, and how greatly electronic transmission and alternative delivery services have reduced the piece count. Maybe the post office is doing less work with the same amount of people.

    It's my understanding the postal service is staffed nearly 100% with former military personnel.

    Raise the rates. America still has the least expensive mail service.

    -- Posted by Slater on Thu, Aug 18, 2011, at 10:56 AM
  • My understanding Slater of the Postal Services hiring practice is veterans are awarded points over normal civilians. They all take the same test but the veteran can actually make a lower score but be hired over someone with a higher score because of veteran preference. I suppose other government agencies do the same. So it wouldn't be 100% but the percentage of veterans working for the postal service would be high.

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, Aug 18, 2011, at 11:42 AM
  • Slater I think you are right about being grossly mismanaged. Has any government business been anything else? Should the Postal Service be privatized?

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, Aug 18, 2011, at 11:49 AM
  • rr3 - What you're describing about hiring practices for veterans has been common for many years, and not just with the Postal Service. State hiring agencies use it, too. I first encountered it in the 1960s when I worked for the University of Illinois, and have since seen it often, even in non-governmental hiring.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Thu, Aug 18, 2011, at 1:58 PM
  • The Circle K near Murphy's matches the reduce gas prices with the card causing Break Time to lowers theirs.

    -- Posted by Jason1969 on Thu, Aug 18, 2011, at 8:54 PM
  • The veteran's points are usually 10 points extra in the civil service exams. Also, if you have military experience, you bring that seniority into your position in the Post Office.

    As to mismanagement, I'm not so sure. Up until the advent of the internet, the USPS was the only government agency I knew of that fully funded itself through postal revenues. The USPS has not directly received taxpayer-dollars since the early 1980s with the minor exception of subsidies for costs associated with the disabled and overseas voters. Since email and online bill-pay have become so prevalent, they've experienced a major decline, and understandably so.

    -- Posted by koeller77 on Fri, Aug 19, 2011, at 7:58 AM
  • Oh, and the correct employment rate of veterans within the USPS is approximately 25-30%, depending on the year you're looking at.

    -- Posted by koeller77 on Fri, Aug 19, 2011, at 8:08 AM
  • Day after day, week after week, month after month, it has been excruciatingly hot here.

    I gotta hand it to enterprising Okies. It has revved new production here, and there.

    For instance, all the funeral homes have ordered gobs of those retro cardboard funeral home fans, and are passing them out at each house in the areas that have no air conditioning.

    Now that is practical charity.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Aug 19, 2011, at 11:11 AM
  • Koeller77,

    Thanks for bringing to this exchange, the fact that the USPS has not been taxpayer supported since the 80s, (other than the areas you mentioned.)

    At one time, the Postmaster General was a cabinet level position.

    -- Posted by upsedaisy on Fri, Aug 19, 2011, at 10:22 PM
  • Yes, ND - too good not to share, but it makes TOO much sense.

    Here's one thought about the Republican debaters, and namely Rick Perry:

    I predict he'll be the next $500-haircut recipient to fall from the platform.

    -- Posted by Slater on Sat, Aug 20, 2011, at 2:37 PM
  • It was dead on ND. Thanks.

    Not on subject, but have you ever seen a major party put forward as many odd ball candidates as have the Republicans this time? I bet it makes all those Independents nee Republicans feel better about their decision.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Aug 20, 2011, at 6:32 PM
  • It's not a surprise that a big majority of People are still licking up all the goofy idea's of these Politician's,on both side's! What is wrong with socicity any more? I have lost faith in the People! They don't want big Government so we can have protection for the People, and the Ecology of the World.But they will vote People in office that wants to take over your Personal lives! What is going on with the People? Has Religion taken over ,were logic doesn't exist any more?? This is scary!

    -- Posted by Jo on Sun, Aug 21, 2011, at 2:23 PM
  • Jo,

    In a word,yes.

    It's the Holy Trinity,

    God, Guns and Gays.

    Find the root of most any controversy, and love'em or hate'em, you'll probably find one of those three somehwere in the mix.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Sun, Aug 21, 2011, at 3:51 PM
  • Jo--another problem might be the folks who "vote for a living" as opposed to those who "work for a living". Scary thought isn't it.

    -- Posted by farmerwife on Sun, Aug 21, 2011, at 8:57 PM
  • I was wondering what everyone thought about seeing if we could get the hospital to have an urgent care unit since Missouri Valley Physicians are closed all day on Saturdays and I don't know about other physicians' offices. It would be nice to be able to see a doctor on weekends or evenings when needed without having to go to the emergency department and "pay those fees" when someone is sick and offices aren't open. Other towns have them and you go wait your turn. Accidents and illness can happen anytime and it seems especially when the Dr. office is closed!!!

    -- Posted by farmerwife on Sun, Aug 21, 2011, at 9:05 PM
  • Farmerwife

    I agree with you that Marshall does need an urgant care facility . We have had to go three times so far after hours for stuff that happens on the weekend and just cant wait until monday . Luckily we have insurance but we still have to pay a fifty dollar co-pay up front and sometimes that fifty is just not there . Now if we can wait it's fifteen dollars and that's allot nicer then fifty . I was told you can drive up to sweet springs I 70 clinic and they would see you but I think it's just like our hospital .

    -- Posted by ambsun on Sun, Aug 21, 2011, at 10:18 PM
  • Yes, i agree Socialized Medicine is the only way,how long is it going to take for the People to see this and stop listening to this other crap there are some things that has to be Socially run.And when are they going to break up these Conglomerates? Were is the competition when the a-------s buy up everything and shut it down, or cut the work force in half!???

    -- Posted by Jo on Mon, Aug 22, 2011, at 12:27 AM
  • I have talked to folks from Canada and certainly heard enough from them to know that I would NOT like to have socialized medical care any worse than they do!!! If you happen to need surgery, it is determined if you "really" need it and then you are put on a priority list, taking younger folks first--in other words, a "committee" decides if and when your turn might, if ever come around. This does not sound good to me or for my family, or anyone else for that matter. All I am interested in is "urgent care" at our hospital without having to go through the emergency room!!!

    -- Posted by farmerwife on Mon, Aug 22, 2011, at 9:52 AM
  • Medicare for All. It is a great program. It works and is tested. Everyone who wants a supplemental policy is responsible for purchasing one. I do know some canadians, one who used to live in the county and owned a farm. He had to sell the farm and move back to Canada just so as to keep his health insurance working. The only difference in today's health care system is that the Canadian decision makers base healthcare decisions on the end results and what is best for the patient. In the US insurance companies make decisions on what is best for the patient based on what makes the most profits for the insurance company.

    If you think that US citizens make insurance decisions based on doctor's advise you are sadly mistaken! Most healthcare decisions in the US are based on economic reasons. PROFITS FOR THE WEALTHY are more important than the healthcare of a child, young person or the frail eldery in the USA!

    -- Posted by salinemg on Mon, Aug 22, 2011, at 3:50 PM
  • Human life is human.There is no Class of people in my mind ,when it comes too Health Care! Everyone should have the same care! Health Care is as necessary to the down and out as it is to People like that miserable Cheney,one of the most selfish Men still alive! And i hope he lives another life-time as he is right now! He deserves it,death is to easy for him,he has to Pay for the Men & Women he and that idiot Bush sent to be Killed in that unnecessary War!

    -- Posted by Jo on Mon, Aug 22, 2011, at 5:10 PM
  • hey Jo

    what has obama done about getting us out of the war!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!NOTHING!!!

    -- Posted by bc65340 on Tue, Aug 23, 2011, at 12:41 PM
  • Wow! Simmer down and take it to the political venue please.

    -- Posted by luvthoseowls on Tue, Aug 23, 2011, at 1:25 PM
  • Jo,

    You are right everyone deserves the same health care. The amount of income one makes shouldn't dictate the amount of health care they receive. In a christian society everyone should have health care. We shouldnt allow forums like Fox news to shape public policy on issues like health care as they are very dishonest in their efforts.

    -- Posted by cheesehead on Wed, Aug 24, 2011, at 12:14 AM
  • News,

    War is politics by alternative means, or something to that effect.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Aug 24, 2011, at 7:18 AM
  • Another former Saline Countian does good. Roger Barnes in the news:


    -- Posted by Eric Crump on Wed, Aug 24, 2011, at 3:56 PM
  • Your Nephew,in my opinion,died for his own Courage and self respect not for any other reason! He was put there by Morons,and did his best to be Patriotic! Thanks for his Service!

    -- Posted by Jo on Wed, Aug 24, 2011, at 4:15 PM
  • Today, I came very close to being involved in a traffic accident. The cause; a litter of puppies left to roam about a busy hyway, in a curve no less. This is not the first time the puppies have been in the road. I know to go extremely slow into the S curve because since they were old enough to venture to the road that is where they will be. Today, someone in a shiney red car came through the S curve and swirved to miss a puppy and was then on my side of the road. We came so close to crashing into each other!

    People with pets, think before you let them run loose. This bunch of puppies I hope find a new home soon and no longer live on the road, before someone gets hurt or killed.

    -- Posted by meagain on Wed, Aug 24, 2011, at 6:16 PM
  • Tom Foolery

    You cantaloupe with an antelope

    It is a regret of the misanthrope

    Reviewing that with broad scope

    He endures with an abiding hope

    When he considers a lycanthrope

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Aug 24, 2011, at 10:49 PM
  • curious as to when we might expect to see the "shepherd's heart" column return to the website. some of us don't get the paper but still enjoy reading the column.

    -- Posted by incog_neato on Wed, Aug 24, 2011, at 11:59 PM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    We do have an e-edition option that allows readers to see everything printed in the paper using an online viewer. Reduced subscription price, too.



  • Eric,

    Thanks for the success stories of former Saline Countians. Some of them I went to school with and it brings back memories. The positive stories are nice instead of the doom and gloom some like to put on here.

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, Aug 25, 2011, at 10:49 AM
  • I`m Back!!! Just returned to the world of technology. glad to see your screennames again!!!

    -- Posted by BigFatGuy on Fri, Aug 26, 2011, at 1:43 PM
  • Go Owls! Beat the Hornets tonight on the road!!

    -- Posted by OldOwl on Fri, Aug 26, 2011, at 1:45 PM
  • "Educating The Obvious" a cartoon strip by Brian McFadden. Excerpt: "Climate change is really happening, and if anyone tries to tell you differently yell "No!" run away and tell a grown up." http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/08/20/opinion/sunday/20110827_McFadden_C...

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Aug 28, 2011, at 11:02 AM
  • Eric,

    Check your e-mail!

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Tue, Aug 30, 2011, at 10:42 AM
  • Well, looks like we are past the latest devastating punishment from Mother Nature.

    In a sort of macabre way it reminds me of an old song's lyrics.

    Irene goodnight, Irene goodnight

    Goodnight Irene, goodnight Irene

    I'll see you in my dreams.

    Sometimes I live in the country

    Sometimes I live in the town

    Sometimes I have a great notion

    To jump in the river and drown.

    It was Huddie Ledbetter's (Lead Belly) theme song, and was copied by many. The Weaver's had a hit song of it back in the 1950s, when pop music diversely came from many genres.

    Here is Leadbelly singing it in case you are interested. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rs3mj1E8LSU

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Aug 30, 2011, at 2:33 PM
  • Thanks for the great blues harp stuff News. It has been of solace to me for fifty years. I got turned on to it by a friend who had Sonny Terry, and Brownie McGhee on vinyl. He loaned it to me, and I nearly wore it out before he could get it back. I also have to give a fond nod to long departed O. C. Bruner who had a wonderful juke box in his soulful rib house in Marshall. Those were the days. Enough waxing nostalgic. In the mix with the greats you showcased has got to be James Cotton. Have a listen.


    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Aug 30, 2011, at 9:39 PM
  • Go rent the movie Cadillac Records about the rise of Chess records. You guys will like it.

    Muddy Waters, Little Walter, Howlin' Wolf, Etta James, Wille Dixon. It was just on BET last night.

    Here's the IMDB link:


    -- Posted by What the f...... on Tue, Aug 30, 2011, at 10:55 PM
  • Thanks for the tip WTF. I will check to see if I can stream it from Netflix. Sounds tasty.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Aug 30, 2011, at 11:12 PM
  • Gas in Boonville at Wal-Mart $3.39 !!! Gas in Marshall too high as usual !!

    -- Posted by fresh air on Wed, Aug 31, 2011, at 10:43 PM
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