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Floridas governer signed a bill requiring welfare recipients to submit to drug screenings before getting any money. what do you guys think about this one?
As long as they have a provision for helping the kids I think it would be great. If they want to do drugs why should we support them. I think there is also a similar bill in Missouri.
Drug screening is fine (IN MY OPINION)if it go's no further than that! But it always leads too other thing they want to add to the Bill, it never stops!
BFG what do I think? The opposite of rr3. ;)
(as usual). My response wasn't very wordy, but is essentially accurate.
BFG like rr3yvo I think it is a great idea as long as there is a way to get help to the kids of the people that test positive.
I also think the people that are on welfare should be either in school learning a new trade or be looking for a job.
I do not think welfare should be never ending!!
It should be a helping hand not a way of life!
Oh well, I gotta say more than that. If the drug screening results in more than just kicking addicts into the ditch, and putting their kids in foster care it has positive potential.
If its purpose is punitive I am opposed to it. If it is proactive, I am for it.
I haven't read the bill, but I suppose it includes that old punching bag, marijuana, right in there with meth, heroin, and all the rest. If so I am also opposed to it on those grounds.
Where have we been, where are we, where are we going, and why. A cogent commentary by Robert Reich. If you want to make some sense of the mess we are in do not neglect to read this. http://www.truthout.org/truth-about-american-economy/1306953884
Drug War has failed says a new report by the Global Commission on Drug Policy. This commission is a blue ribbon panel that includes George Schultz who held cabinet posts under Nixon, and Reagan, former U. N. Secretary General Koffi Annan, Paul Volker former Chairman of the Federal Reserve, business mogul Richard Branson, also, the current Prime Minister of Greece, and former presidents of Brazil, Mexico, and Columbia.
It is an interesting conclusion, one worth, at the least, consideration, in my opinion. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/01/drug-war-has-failed-report_n_870096.htm...
re: drug screening for welfare recipients ...
i think it's a good thing ... most employers do drug screening for their employees - why not the government for those who are on the public payroll ... if this was a federal bill - it would probably take care of all the debt ceiling problems and might even balance the budget ...
just sayin' ...
Yeh ND Reich would be my choice for President. It has long been obvious that Obama snatched the wrong Robert from the Clinton Administration.
Re: marijuana. We learned in short order that prohibition of alcohol was a disaster, and ended it. Marijuana prohibition (in my opinion) is the same kind of disaster with the same consequences. We don't exhibit the good sense to treat it the same way because big pharma is scared to death of their potential losses, and there is such an infrastructure (think jobs & profits) built up that it would be an Augean task to dismantle it, or so percieve the powers that be. Actually all that would be necessary is change of mission, toward meth, heroin, and oxycontin. Especially Oxycontin, which results in more death by overdose, than any other drug.
ND regarding your listing the benefits of hemp. As you know the Missouri River bottoms of Saline County were once huge producers of hemp (unfortunately done by slave labor). I am wondering if hemp might again have potential in those bottoms, perhaps in rotation with corn. Maybe some of the agriculturists that read, and or post could enlighten me as to the feasibility.
"We were told during the campaign that Obama would fundamentally change the way the US economy works -- and he has! We are getting to see exactly what he meant by that promise." -Rush
My tax returns say otherwise Nana.
Mine is very significant to me Nana. Really should I worry about what a business or a millionaire pays in taxes? I mean unless we throw the current tax code out the window and start all over I believe we the people will continue to pay more and more and the rich will pay less and less. Let's not worry so much about the symptoms, let's get to the root of the problem. The media wants you to worry about the evil rich and they have done a darn good job of it haven't they? They aren't the problem. The rules of the game are the problem that is where we need real change. Will it happen, it wouldn't surprise me if Obama got reelected and in 2016 we will still be wondering about the hope and change.
I don't like it this way, but the truth is that rr3 is the last conservative posting here with any frequency. Gotta give him credit for not giving up. I wish some of the others would come back. It is hard to present a counterpoint when there is no point.
I would also like to see some of the moderates post more often. We (right and left) don't go toe to toe with moderates, but wehave some good discussions that are absent the passion that right, andleft throw at each other.
Associated with my prior post about the lack of conservative comment here is a blast from the past courtesy of Mr. X-ray. It is an example of common ground between the left, and the right.
"What the f.... I agree with your analogy... too many people in America and on this message board are so biased toward their personal OPINIONS that they ignore reality. Your Pro-wrestler analogy is spot on. The Dems and Repubs just take turns and it gets worse and worse and more blatant. It is not about what is best for American citizens but what bests secures their power and money and comfortable life style.
As long as we the people continue to ignore the realities of our political situation then we will never actually get it fixed.
You can agree or disagree with the tea party movement all you want. But, if you are half way honest, you have to admit that their actions as a movement have made a big first step in forcing the political elite to at least pay attention to the citizens a little bit. IF the people remove a few incumbents and then go back to sleep then nothing is solved. BUT if this movement of citizens waking up to the realities of the bribery and corruption in DC that is causing our nation to fail continues then maybe we have a chance.
-- Posted by mrxray on Mon, Nov 1, 2010, at 12:38 AM "
And here is interesting comment presented by Third Child. Remember him?
"* while I voted for President Obama, I do not consider him to be a messiah nor do I worship him*
'Within the narrow parameters of space allowed'
"The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to the doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can "throw the rascals out" at any election without leading to any profound or extreme shifts in policy." ~ Carroll Quigley, Tragedy and Hope
Mike Gaddy's perspective:
"A great majority of Americans refuse to accept the fact both parties are controlled by the same power cabal, just as Professor Carroll Quigley pointed out in his book, Tragedy and Hope. Instead, they embrace the concept of party politics over those of individual freedom and liberty. The paradigm of supporting your party or candidate of choice, even when they are involved in unconstitutional and/or criminal activities, takes on greater priority than supporting the Constitution or liberty itself. Party first, regardless of the crimes committed, has relegated this country to being led by criminals and the loss of individual liberty."
-- Posted by Third Child on Mon, Sep 21, 2009, at 9:00 AM"
nana - your Henry Wallace piece was interesting. Part of the reason Roosevelt dropped Wallace was FDR and others had suspicons that Wallace was leaning too far to the left, possibly even communist sympathies. Reading his definition of Facism it does show more left-leaning ideology than many of his contemporaries.
Facism as created by Mussolini, was more left of center than right. Mussolini was a Socialist. The difference between the Facists and Communists of the 1920s and 30s was that Communists were internationalist and Facists were Nationalists, meaning that while they shared MANY goals, the major difference was Communists wanted Russian leadership, Facists wanted the socialist movement leadership from each individual nations hence The National Socialist (NAZI) movement in Germany. Look up the original NAZI party platform and you may be aqmazed at how progressive it was - free college education, free health care, old-age pensions, break-up of corporations, etc.
Many of the arguments made by Wallace were accusations made by traditional socialists and communists of the period. Many American progressives of the inter-war period preferred facism and/or its methods, to the traditional socialism/communism of the same era.
Thanks for explaining your impression of the blogs rr3. I will try to take that into consideration in future posts. Of course I take issue with your scenario that it is all the fault of the big bad bullies on the left. I believe that dogmatic in your face commentary is as much the province of the right, as of the left, if not more so.
So, you wanna fight about it? ;)
ND nice expansion, and reply.
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Housing market worsening, unemployment rising, inflation and double dip recession. I can't wait for SUMMER OF RECOVERY 4. Can you?
"Of course I take issue with your scenario that it is all the fault of the big bad bullies on the right. I believe that dogmatic in your face commentary is as much the province of the left, as of the right, if not more so."
Employer Can't Find Applicants
"You need to first tell 'em what the sick day schedule is, how many vacation days they're going to get, how many personal days to take the dog to the vet and then you'll be overrun with applications."
"I think the biggest issue here in Wisconsin is BadgerCare. We have free medical care for people who don't have an income."
Why work when you can have free health care that would be awesome.
No Matter How the Media Spins It, Obama Owns This Economic Crisis
But Nana in quoting Trotsky you use communist definitions of facism. That was the part of the point of my post. You quote by Trotsky regqrding facism, could easily have been made by facists about communism. Karl Marx himself was a supporter of the "capitalist" imperialism. (He viewed it as a necessary evil, part of the "white man's burden" to civilize non Europeans so they would be ready to accept communism.)
Politicos of the time recognized that facism was the rival twin of socialism. Many communists in Europe of the time felt that Facism was the first step to their plan. As many communists said "First brown, then red." Mussolini was popular with the working class of Italy. Facists such as Mussolini, and Hitler, like Lenin, Trotsky, and Stalin used the same tactics. And yes Mussolini's facism was pertinent to only Italy. That was the point of facism as I stated. Italian Facism was for Italy, Spanish Facism for Spain, English for England, etc., that is why it was called "National" socialism. All had similar goals. All corresponded with Mussolini for advice. However, each was free to "tweak" Facism to fit their national identities. International socialism was to be directed by the Comintern of the Soviet Union, where conformity was expected.
As for the second part of your response, I am not sure where it comes from. I made no judgement of socialism, communism, or facism. Just like capitalism, all systems can demonstrate successes and abuses. I feel that perhaps you were reading something into my post that was not there. I was simpliy speaking from an historic perspective.
The Daily Show on GOP Reponse to Joplin Tragedy: "What Is Cantor Thinking?"
Historically speaking, in the 20s and 30s the supporters of facism were mostly on the left. An interesting argument has been made that facism was shifted to the right, not by right-wing politicians, but rather by the fact that Russia switched sides in WWII after the German invasion of Russia. Allied propoganda helped perpetuate this view so as to not alienate the new ally. After the war, especially in the 1960s, as many of the most extreme left-leaning migrated into academia, they helped to reenforce this thinking. While that argument may not be 100% accurate, I suspect that it has some validity to it.
Notice the G8 conferences and the recent international global warming summit in Copenhagen. The tactics of the "facists" are still practiced by the left, however it is now labelled as "civil disobedience," or "popular uprisings" while the actions of the government are called facist. Imagine calling Hitler's Beer Hall Putsch or Mussolini's March on Rome "civil disobedience" and shouting as the government tried to supress such popular uprisings that the government was a "police state."
I am a moderate, hence the inthemiddle. A recent post mentioned that more moderates should post. My guess is that moderates like myself are less-likely to post because those of you extremes (both right and left) are so locked into your mindsets that you refuse to even consider the possibility that the other side may be right, or at least have valid arguments. Those of us in the middle grow tired of one way discussions. I have read many post by all of you and I hate to break it to you but neither Presidents GW Bush or Obama are the sources of all evil. Both have made mistakes, both have made good decisions.
By the way, Dr. Britt's 14 points describe every "communist" government that has ever exsisted and many of the 14 would be supported by socialists. In both communist/socialistand facist regimes, corporations that sensed the political tides openly supported the new governments and survived just under new guises, while those that stood in opposition were eliminated.
Perhaps both Freud and Shakespeare were right when they argued that we hate in others what we see in ourselves.
Inthemiddle I first want to say that I appreciate your comments. I don't always agree, but they are well stated.
Secondly, please refresh me as to the good decisions by George W. Bush. There must not have been many because he has already been rated as one of the worst Presidents. I am legitimately curious as to what a self described middle of the road person considers his good decisions.
Recent discussion of the roots of socialism seemed to me to be somewhat doctrinaire in its nuance.
Overlooked was obviously successful pragmatic application of socialistic principles that has taken place aside from whatever is the political attachment of socialistic practice.
Health care in first world countries is the most glaring example. Almost all, excepting the United States, have a socialistic health care system. Evidence of its success is highlighted by the negative example of the United States. We spend more per capita than any other country on health care. Despite that we are among the lower ranked, even third world, countries as to the success of our health care system. We are rated poor in infant mortality statistics, longevity statistics, and a plethora of categories between those. That says nothing of those who are denied even basic access to medical care. Hence our notion of non-socialistic health care is a failure. That does not mean that our republican system must also fail, though it is in danger.
Socialism need not, but may be affiliated with fascism, communism, federalism, corporatism, et al. It has had successful application, in all those forms, failing not because it was socialism, but because it was tied to unsuccessful forms of government. To me socialism is a tool to serve the needs of the people, the service is paid for by the people. It has never been a pure political system in its self. Instead it has always been an arm of a political system. It is flexible, and adaptable, unlike each of the aforementioned political systems, all of which are afflicted by a restrictive rigidity.
An interesting comment regarding the rising demand for non-Muslim mercenaries to serve the governments of Muslim countries. Looks like "Old Blackwater" is going to make another mint from it.
http://www.smh.com.au/world/scramble-for-nonmuslim-mercenaries-20110605-1fnen.ht... (Sidney Morning Herald)
OKR... lol that was a blast from the past.
I have not given up. I have simply stopped posting very much because it is tiresome to read over and over about how bad and evil and racist people are simply because they differ in political and social opinions and the blatant hypocrisy that I read over and over from people proclaiming to be on the left every time they bash the right for something that the left does equally as well.... errrr bad. There is no desire for conversation nor debate. Take Cheesehead and News as worst case examples if you dont agree with them then you are uneducated, ill informed or you only listen to Fox News... lol
I am waiting for you lefties to get on the bandwagon demanding that Weiner resign or be fired... yet I have not read ANYTHING so far BUT were it to be a Republican you would be dancing in the aisle and screaming for his head and using one person as an example that you put forth indicating the entire right side of the political aisle.
Discussion and debate is only interesting to me when both sides can realize that there is no RIGHT opinion and that each person's opinion is exactly that... an opinion based on individual biases and environments, and education both formal and informal and many other factors.
To sit and read over and over about how horrible the right is and how horrible it is for people to be Christian, or to demand a small government because the huge inefficient government is BROKE financially and physically and EVERYTHING that the government does is geared toward a special interest group and NOT the people in general and that BOTH sides conduct their selves mostly to get re-elected and not in an honest effort based on values and morals and what they think is the best thing for our nation; this is not entertaining reading for me nor a useful way for me to utilize my spare time.
I do still read your posts from time to time but just choose to not respond very much unless I see something that gets beyond the whole concept of Right Bashing...
On a separate, more serious note...
I just got back from Joplin. I spent about 4 days down there. I had seen pictures and videos and read articles and listened to interviews and stories during news shows prior to getting to Joplin. NOTHING can prepare you for what that town looks like in real life.
My sister lives there with her husband and two kids. They decided to go camping in OK. the night of the tornado or they would have been inside the building on St John's Hospital's property, a place called Stained Glass Theatre. This is where young people perform plays and are sponsored by Churches in town. They had just gotten through with the play and they were tearing down the set when the sirens sounded. There is nothing left of the building, it even cracked the foundation.
If you saw pictures of people hauling injured people in the back of a pickup and sitting in the back of the pickup was a young man with a bright red shirt on, this was the guy who saved my nephews best friends life. Another of my nephews friends worked in the Caterpillar building after business hours and when the siren sounded he went into the mens bathroom and when the tornado passed he opened the door and the mens room was the only thing standing.... not even the womens room was there.
The stories I heard from people who survived this tornado were sad and amazing and scary. There were many many stories of heroic actions and sad stories of those who lost loved ones.
If you look at a map of Joplin the path of the tornado was 11 miles long, from outside the western city limits to the eastern city limits of Joplin and through the town of Duquesne that sits beside Joplin. The path was about 8 blocks wide give or take. When you enter the area where the destruction took place it is unimaginable that ANYONE survived. Somone stated that it looked like a God sized bulldozer plowed through town. It looked like someone took all the toothpicks in the world and dumped them along the middle of Joplin. The scary part was that if the tornado would have been 2-3 blocks farther south BOTH big hospitals would have been demolished and many many people would have died.
I talked with FEMA, Red Cross, Salvation Army, Samaritan's Purse personnel and other groups while we were out helping people and over and over we heard that they had never seen a town and state and area come together and respond to a disaster and help their neighbors and town with such overwelming numbers of people and donations. Many stated that they have been to many other disaster areas and many places the people just sat and waited for the government to hand them a check and for the government and other agencies to come in and rebuild. The response from citizens of Joplin and the areas around the nation were in such large numbers that the FEMA and Red Cross people just had to give up trying to control access to the affected areas. They were very impressed with the willingness of people to solve the problems of their own community.
On a side note... I learned something. When FEMA gets involved and a federal disaster area has been proclaimed, the community is financially on the hook for 10% of the cost to search and rescue, clean up and rebuild. So if it costs 100 Billion then the City of Joplin has to come up with 10 percent of that. However, to help offset this amount owed by the city, they get credit for every volunteer hour officially logged in. So while I was down there every hour I worked gave the city of Joplin or Duquesne a credit towards the 10% that they will owe. As of last Friday, I think, there were over 55,000 volunteer hours and that was not a final tally but a rough estimate since there were SO many places accepting volunteers and organizing them to go out and help people or to help sort clothing or food or other necessities to give out to those affected.
That was the other thing that was so impressive. I volunteered at a couple of churches and the first weekend after the tornado this one church had 2000+ on Saturday and over 3000 volunteers on Sunday helping to sort clothes and food and to help those in need. There were businesses set up cooking and giving away free meals. Even the town of Tuscaloosa AL sent a semi trailer of water. It was a very intimidating experience to see first hand the destruction but it was a very great thing to see the outpouring of humanity from one stranger to another stranger where many new relationships were formed.
Speaking of ethics News what is your take on Congressman Weiner? Should he resign? Should he stay?
rr3 did you notice that Nancy Pelosi has demanded an investigation of Weiner?
Here we go X ray. ;) You said:
"I am waiting for you lefties to get on the bandwagon demanding that Weiner resign or be fired... yet I have not read ANYTHING so far BUT were it to be a Republican you would be dancing in the aisle and screaming for his head and using one person as an example that you put forth indicating the entire right side of the political aisle."
Not so. You will recall the recent news regarding Republican Senator Ensign. I do not recall one word written by the left on these blogs regarding his regretful behavior. Come to think of it I didn't see one chastising word from the right, even though he thumbed his nose at Christian rules of comportment, which many posters on the right believe more important than political errancy.
Recent history on the blog supports the opposite of your declaration. I suppose you may point your finger, and say there you go bashing the right again. No, I have merely given my opinion based on my observations of blog content.
Yes okr I did notice but if you had noticed that wasn't the object of my question. In my opinion anyone in public office that is caught lying or committing an immoral act should resign either willfully or be forced to. I know it doesn't happen all the time. If the Democrats don't call for his resignation what will they do the next time. It also doesn't matter to me the party affiliation he should lead by example and resign. Pelosi may have only called the investigation to make her and the Dems look good but we will see. I mean we have examples of Clinton, Rangel, Frank and I am sure others Dem or Repub that didn't do the right thing. Where do we start to make it right? or do we let it be the status quo?
Just curious rr3, what was it that Barney Frank did? I must have missed that one.
Personally, i think we wouldn't have a Government,if they would Investigate every person that ran for Office! Character is almost out of style!
But that didn't address your primary question rr3. I am with you concerning those who commit actual crimes, and breaches of ethics that directly effect our country. Throw the rascals out.
I, because of my libertarian values, think it none of our darn business as to the sexual adventures of our politicians, any more than it is my business to know what you do in private. What goes on between consenting adults in their private life should remain private. In some cases, such as that of a Senator tapping his foot to attract attention from a man in another bath room stall, a line is crossed. You do not do that stuff in public, it is against the law. More to the point, he chose to step over the privacy boundary, and attempted to engage in public sexual behavior, waiving his right of privacy.
The social moron Weiner, (has anyone ever indicated so indelibly, confirmation of the effect one's name has on one's behavior?) is in a middle ground wherein in one sense his act was apparently intended to be private, but the idiot should have known that there is no guarantee of private communication on the internet. Result: he is the country's laughingstock, which is a harsh punishment for an aspiring young politician. I could hardly refrain from expressing my satirical wit on this blog concernig the story. It is a perfect storm for satirists. I chose not to do so, not because he is a member of the left, but because the thoughts that occured to me would not have, and should not have, passed muster with Eric.
The case of Senator Ensign on the other hand was a full of undercover machinations, such as paying his mistresse's husband from political funds, other Senators involved in pay offs, on, and on. It is closer to the John Edwards case, and should be brought to trial, just as the Edward's case has been. We shall see what happens.
Frankly I am sick of the mainstream media sticking their noses into the sexual adventures of politicians.
Okr you can't blame the mainstream media for reporting on the sexual adventures of a politician if they made it public. As for Frank ethics violations are not confined to sexual misconduct.
Jo I would have to agree with you when Clinton was in office the media tried to tell us that character didn't matter. I think it does.
"Well I'll be!" That's all I can say rr3 about Barney Frank's cite for an ethics violation over twenty years ago. I guess that elephants do have long memories.
Am I missing any more regarding him being chastised for ethics violations by an unfavorable vote of the House of Representatives, or elsewhere?
By the way rr3, I don't find anywhere that Barney Frank has even been charged, nor even accused of improper sexual conduct. He has been accused of trying to get jobs for those with whom he has been intimate, but that doesn't make the sexual conduct unethical, just possibly the aftermath. Would you mind being more explicit regarding that charge of improper sexual conduct?
rr3 you said, "Okr you can't blame the mainstream media for reporting on the sexual adventures of a politician if they made it public."
I don't blame them for reporting it rr3, I blame them for dwelling on it ad nauseam, at the expense of more important news. I blame them for their non stop effort to titillate their audience with garbage such as Weiner weiner.
I am mindful that they would say "we" demand it. Maybe so. I am also mindful of the old Pogo poster stating we have met the enemy, and it is us, or something to that effect.
Things like this should transcend party lines.
Discretion should be the better part of valor. If he has no more sense than that I don't think I want him making national policy.
"Well I'll be!" Okr you didn't miss it. I'm right proud of you.
News... so flashing your private parts to other people, NOT friends but people you DO NOT know on facebook or twitter or other social media is MORAL behavior?
OKR. I dont specifically remember about Ensign nor comments on here regarding. BUT if you recall the AZ shooting many of you liberal wackos parroted the talking heads the the DISHONEST sherrif of Pima County accusing Sarah Palin for causing this shooting when the facts proved this was totally false.
I also remember that most of you are really quick to jump on anything that you consider "bad" by One or two people in a gathering of conservatives and instead of looking objectively at the situation and realizing that ALL groups might have a bad actor or two you automatically jump in and cry about how the WHOLE conservative movement or the entire tea party movement is racist or what have you. Not only that, you totally ignore the information that comes out that shows that often the racist comments or violent statements or other bad actions and comments are conducted by SEIU and other agents of the left in pathetic attempts at creating the appearance of racism and ect from those with whom you politically disagree.
Now I know there will be denials and blah blah. And I refuse to spend the amount of time on here that it would require to research people's comments to support what I am saying..... but the fact remains.
Personally, if you cannot keep it in your pants and you are so addicted to the Power of the office or of politics that you think you are somehow above ethics and morals and you have free reign to post naked pictures or sext or have phone sex with strangers then you have NO RIGHT to be in any elected office. With being elected there is a certain obligation you have to the citizens of the US and one of those is to not think yourself above the law. You are a role model and are supposed to be elected to an office that provides stability for our nation, economicall, socially and etc. In fact, the ONLY thing that our economy is based on, since eliminating the gold and silver standards, is our "faith" in our elected body... Congress. For how many years has our faith in Congress been at 20% more or less?
Our politicians, Rs and Ds, have learned NOTHING from Nixon or Clinton and have learned everything from Rangle. What we have is a environment of ALL elected personnel being above the law that and that they do not have to abide by the same rules that us common folk do. Instead, when they get caught they think that if the cry on camera and apologize and make statments like, "I take full responsibility" that these type of actions make everything alright. I am sorry, but elected officials do NOT put their pants on any different than I do and should not get ANY special consideration.
It is NO different than Baseball and its era of Steroids. We should have a No tolerance policy in our political arena and there should not be ANY questions asked once proven that a politician violated moral, ethical, or legal boundaries. This should apply to appointees or presidential czars that bypass congressional approval.
Until BOTH parties start getting serious about policing the behavior of their elected officials, NO trust will be re-established.
News I agree, stop the hypocrisy... I love how the hypocrisy, according to you, is only on the right... lol
Personally, I like the methods of enhanced interrogation.... seems like it worked in locating OBL and it worked to stop major attacks on the US... AND Dems voted for and were informed of these tactics and NEVER ONCE complained until after Bush was on the way out..... lol
I have only two words to say about the Weiner affair - David Vitter, Republican US Senator from Louisana. He is still in government despite admitting going to prostitutes. So unless you are proud of being a hypocrite might I suggest this gossipy non issue be dispensed with.
Aussie wife I think that both of them should be out of government. Does one that gets away with it justify another getting away with it? If that would be the case then why would we need an ethics investigation?
rr, it surprises me that this is even an issue. There are far more important issues to deal with. It seems to me that any issue involving a private life (especially if it involves a certain amount of titillation for the audience)takes on the importance of a life and death event. Meanwhile the economy, the environment and the wars take a backward step in the consciousness of the people. As far as 'ethics' is concerned, if there has been no ethics investigation of why we ever invaded Iraq (and yes that includes Australia) then having an 'ethics investigation' of this situation is a gross example of the waste of taxpayers money and the height of hypocritical hubris. Those calling for it should be ashamed of themselves.
Aussie Wife and News it amazes me that anyone would not think that telling the truth would not be a moral activity. Was it not immoral to send these kind of pictures to women other than your wife? What would you do if it was your spouse doing this? I think our public servants should be held to a higher standard and when they do screw they should have the fortitude to step down. I mean as parents aren't we held to a higher standard as an example to our children? It should be the same for public office. Now I know they are regular men and women but they put themselves in the public light and subject themselves to public scrutiny. We the public should hold our officials accountable for their actions. You are right I don't have the right to judge except to what the bible says, but when you deny God and the bible it is hard to maintain a moral standard. How do we expect our children to have moral standards when we don't stand for any?
Sorry but your history is maybe selective.
1. Powerful and continuing expressions of nationalism
Communist Nations are not dedicated to nations. They are dedicated to socialism -- World Wide socialism. In fact, Karl Marx model predicts a World without national boundries under socialism.
I am sure the Latvians, Jews, Lithuanianas, Kazahaks, and the over 100 other nationalitiesw who were forced to give up their culture for Russian culture would disagree and when Marx supportecd imperialism was it to embrace native culture? No it was European culture i.e. our culture is superior (a form of nationalism)And the reason Facists (national socialists) opposed communism (international socialism) was for this reason.
5. Rampant sexism
In fact, the Soviets outlawed sexism with serious consequences for the offender. In addition, the Soviet Union was the first European nation to give full equal rights to women and to make every job position in the Soviet Union equally accessible to both men and women. Perhaps the most telling aspect of this was the woman many consider to be the greatest hero of WWII -- Lyudmila Pavlichenko -- who was a sharpshooter of the Red Army who killed over 300 fascists -- including many of the fascist's best sharpshooters.
All sounds good on paper, however sexism still remained. No racism in the USA because our Declaration of Independence says "all men are created equal." Yes women have played a significant part of communim, but women who live under the system will tell you that men still have preference. Remember Nicolae Ceausescu? His policies in Romania were hardly feminism in action.
8. Religion and ruling elite tied together
The soviets had no religion nor did they ever tie religion to the government.
Sorry, the religion of the Soviet Union was the worship of the state. Much like Hitler's attempts to replace Christianity with the worship of Hitler. All one has to do is to looki at Stalin and his imagery and the role of "Mother Russia" to see the Russians had state religion. Communists, like Hitler used religion when it suited their needs.
9. Power of corporations protected
There were no corporations in the Soviet Union.
Not officially, however after the Revolution when the economy proved too complex to direct, former leaders of corporations, who supported Lenin/Stalin/etc., were brought back for their expertise and put into political positions. Some were never out of power. Of course the state also became the new corporation. That becomes the problem on nationalization of any industry. Competition threatens state revenues, so competition must not exsist. (As the right-leaning posters will tell you, look at how the Obama administration allows exemptions for corps that support the administration.)
10. Power of labor suppressed or eliminated
The Soviets and all communist nations glorified labor. Communism is all about the rights of the worker.
Unless the needs of the workers is in conflict with the state - then the workers lose. Military build-up and the arms race always took precedent over the rights of the workers.
11. Disdain and suppression of intellectuals and the arts
The Soviets fully funded state Universities and the arts. This is one of the reasons so many great authors, painters, and musicians (particularly violinists) were able to develop their arts under the Soviets and would account for the large number of artists who thrived under the Soviet Union.
Again, only the intellectuals and artists who towed the party line were given freedom. Are you familiar with Alexander Solzhenitsyn or Boris Pasternak? The Soviet Brain Drain was why the Berlin Wall was built in 1961. Or are we to guess that intellectuals and artists are only politically left-wing?
Is greed killing cancer patients, or is it it just a bothersome side effect of capitalistic control of medicine? Should we do anything about the problem? What? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/07/doctors-warn-cancer-drug-shortage_n_872...
Well we are now involved in at least four wars, and counting. Have we gone nuts or what? We are fighting in Yemen. I do believe that Obama has established the nation's record for the most wars fought by our nation at one time.
How many even knew we are fighting in Yemen? How long will it be before we are fighting in every country in the middle east? We can not sustain this madness, and survive as a nation. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/09/world/middleeast/09intel.html?_r=2&emc=na
Here is another dirty little secret. Meet your new pot dealers, the big pharmaceutical companies. It was just a matter of time. http://www.salem-news.com/articles/june032011/cannabis-pharma.php
rr3 you do want this Republican from Ohio thrown out of the House of Representatives right? He was just convicted of having sex with a sixteen year old girl. He refuses to resign, and says he will run again when his term is over.
I wonder if he will get as much air time as the Weiner weiner caper?
Somebody tell the current "Tea Party" that Washington, and Franklin opposed the Boston Tea Party. http://www.pensitoreview.com/2011/06/08/sorry-tea-baggers-washington-and-frankli...
Here is an opportunity to rotflyao at Palin. Millions found this hilarious, some thought it disgusting, others thought it stupid.
Guaranteed that many have not seen it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmH6oXE77jk
Why was the British Tea cheaper? The answer to that was that the Tea Act placed a tax on all tea from any company that wasn't the East India Company. King George III was one of the owners of the East India Co.. Not only did the Americans resent the method of taxation, they also resented the fact that the government was trying to force them to purchase a product from one provider ending competition.
Washington, Adams, Revere and other founding fathers were upset with the Boston Tea Party. Several even petitioned to get compensation for the destroyed tea. Most of the Founding Fathers were middle class property owners who respected property rights, were concerned about the dangers of democracy or "mobocracy" as many refered to it, but demanded political rights that the Renaissance, Reformation, and Enlightenment had introduced introduced.
Actually newsacross, early in the period of African slavery, there were some examples of volunteers, although they were very few and far between. Slavery as it exsisted in Africa was different than in America. (Slaves could own property or even refuse to be sold) A few of the early slaves were more indentured servants and were given freedom after a certain number of years. There was debate over this in the very early colonial years. Sadly, we know how the debate ended.
It's illegal because it would cut into the profits of big Pharma and that won't do. If people knew the real reason pot was criminalized in the first place they might think differently about it.
I'm not ashamed to admit that I know from experience.
News I agree with getting the dummies out of Congress but who do we put in and how do we get them there? People think that they are helpless against the government machine and frankly I don't think we will see an uprising until the government runs out of handouts. The working class is quickly becoming a minority.
News you think this is crazy?
1. ''(Gay marriage) is probably the biggest issue that will impact our state and our nation in the last, at least, thirty years. I am not understating that.''
Marriage is a God given institution and to believe otherwise is detrimental to our moral structure.
3. ''I wish the American media would take a great look at the views of the people in Congress and find out: Are they pro-America or anti-America?''
Sounds like a fair question what are you news?
5. ''Carbon dioxide is portrayed as harmful. But there isn't even one study that can be produced that shows that carbon dioxide is a harmful gas.''
Plants love the stuff.
6. "But we also know that the very founders that wrote those documents [The Constitution) worked tirelessly until slavery was no more in the United States.
At the time we had slavery it was ok for that culture did everybody agree? No What is so different about slavery then what we agree or disagree about now?
9. ''[Pelosi] is committed to her global warming fanaticism to the point where she has said she has even said she is trying to save the planet. We all know that someone did that 2,000 years ago.''
The first part of that statement is true all liberal think it is there job to save the planet.
10. ''A woman (Terri Schiavo) was healthy. There was brain damage, there was no question. But from a health point of view, she was not terminally ill.''
That's what some doctors said at the time but I'm not a doctor.
12. "Unelected bureaucracies will decide what we can and cant get in future health insurance policy. Thats why theyre called death panels.
We can see that coming in Obamacare.
15. ''And what a bizarre time we're in, when a judge will say to little children that you can't say the pledge of allegiance, but you must learn that homosexuality is normal and you should try it.''
That is true we stand a better chance to teach why homosexuality is normal then keeping the pledge of allegiance especially the under God part.
18. ''If we took away the minimum wage -- if conceivably it was gone -- we could potentially virtually wipe out unemployment completely because we would be able to offer jobs at whatever level.''
This is true plain and simple.
21. ''There are hundreds and hundreds of scientists, many of them holding Nobel Prizes, who believe in intelligent design.''
I don't know about hundreds but there are some. Well I am sure you could look them up if you want.
22. ''I don't know where they're going to get all this money because we're running out of rich people in this country.''
That's why the working class is getting less and less.
25. ''I find it interesting that it was back in the 1970s that the swine flu broke out under another, then under another Democrat president, Jimmy Carter. I'm not blaming this on President Obama, I just think it's an interesting coincidence.''
Not enough details to answer.
29. "Carbon dioxide is natural, it is not harmful, it is a part of Earth's lifecycle. And yet we're being told that we have to reduce this natural substance, reduce the American standard of living, to create an arbitrary reduction in something that is naturally occuring in Earth."
They want to make it a currency or commodity so it will have worth. It's not about carbon dioxide it is about control.
30. "The President of the United States will be taking a trip over to India that is expected to cost the taxpayers $200 million a day."
I heard that.
31. "I just take the Bible for what it is, I guess, and recognize that I am not a scientist, not trained to be a scientist. I'm not a deep thinker on all of this. I wish I was. I wish I was more knowledgeable, but I'm not a scientist."
Not sure on that one.
I agree our nation is in trouble but these statement are no crazier than these.
This one really take the cake.
And someone still votes for these kind of people. All the more reason that character does matter look what we get when it doesn't.
"Yes, the president should resign. He has lied to the American people... and betrayed their trust."- The 12th Congressional District hopeful Bill Clinton during the Nixon Watergate investigations.
"The purpose of government is to rein in the rights of the people" - Newly elected President Bill Clinton on MTV in 1993
Well put News.
No assumptions here.
News how come when you have no basis for your argument you say,"do you have scientifically derived evidence." Reminds me of the show are you smarter than a 5th grader. If I told you the grass was green would I need scientifically derived evidence to prove it? Why don't you just say you deny God because I don't think any amount of evidence will convince you because your God is 'scientific evidence' that comes from man and if you rely solely on that you will never know God.
LOL News... sorry but the interrogation methods in question were VETTED and approved by a bipartisan congressional committee AND THEN the rest of Congress approved them or at least were allowed to read a list of methods and had the opportunity to speak out... NONE DID at the time during Bush's admin. The Dept of Justice vetted them and confirmed that all of those methods were within the bounds of US law and the Geneva Convention rules. These methods were NEVER questioned until the Dems tried to make political points against Bush later on down the road.... AND it has come out from the Intelligence community and the military community that the waterboarding and other enhanced interrogation methods were used to obtain the names of the currier and other information that led to the discovery leading to the location of OBL. AND the initial information was gather BEFORE Obama took office. Makes you wonder how long Obama sat around and could not make a decision about taking OBL dead or alive. lol
Try again... Obama admin will only tell you what THEY want you to hear.
and OKR, Aussie Wife and News...
As a VOTING US CITIZEN I have the RIGHT and the OBLIGATION to review the actions of our political figures and demand that their actions be questioned and when they do stupid things like Weiner and any other politician R or D then we have the RIGHT and OBLIGATION to demand for their resignation. Not only have they broken the trust of their constituents they have placed the entire nation at risk by allowing their selves to be put into a position where bad actors could take advantage of them with black mail scenarios and were the politician unwilling to stand up and admit publically what they have done they would give in to those extorting them and exchange favors and secret information for the bad actor's silence. I guess I just dont see how you can stand up and say that the private actions of a politician, especially a Federal politician, is something to ignore. AGAIN, as I have said over and over, it is NOT a Dem vs Repub issue it is BOTH or ALL political parties.
In this case of Weiner... when you point to some Repub that did something similar and is still in office you dont make a very good case for your self... you only admit that two wrongs make a right......
Can someone please tell me one positive thing Obama has done for this country? He scares me--why are we spreading our military forces so thin--Yemen, Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan? Are we seeing a pattern here? Are we headed to a draft? Who is our one ally in the Middle East and how are we supporting them?
Israel of of course WW, though I would call them our most favored ally, as opposed to the one ally.
In one sense they are like a spoiled and mouthy little brother who shoves every one in the school yard. We are like a big brother that is only smart enough to go there, beat up every one li'l bro has gotten in to it with, or may in the future. Of course we also want to pick the pockets of those that we beat up(oil and other resources). ;)
The House of Representatives since its take over by the Republicans, could more appropriately be called the House of Mean based on their all out effort to balance the budget on the backs of the most fragile members of society, the elderly, and children. Destroy Medicare, destroy Social Security Retirement, and now their meanest, and leanest yet. They want to cut funds for the WIC nutrition program, cutting off 200,000 to 350,000 low income women, and children dependent on the program for nutrition, while refusing to ask one dime in help from the richest in America.
They stand firm on keeping their rich benefactors at the low Bush tax rate they have enjoyed for years.
It reminds one of Dickens' "Oliver Twist" wherein Oliver asked for a second bowl of gruel, and the masters thought it best to hang him for his effrontery. At least that would have been a quick death. Starvation is painful, and slow. Leave it to our current Republicans to be nastier than Dickens' villains. http://www.thewashingtoncurrent.com/2011/06/spending-cut-could-harm-more-than.ht...
Evening ND. :)
Reaganomics Vs. Obamanomics: Facts And Figures
"When President Reagan entered office in 1981, he faced actually much worse economic problems than President Obama faced in 2009."
"For the last couple of years, President Obama keeps claiming that the recession was the worst economy since the Great Depression. But this is not correct. This is the worst "recovery" since the Great Depression."
25 shocking facts that prove the entire U. S. health care industry has become one giant money making scam. http://endoftheamericandream.com/archive...
-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Jun 12, 2011, at 12:10 AM
I've been trying to tell you guys this when they began talking about Obamacare. Obamacare is only making a problem worse. I'm glad someone finally gets it.
I have always in your words, "gotten it" rr3 regarding the alleged health care reform. It was a sell out to big pharma, and insurance companies.
In fact I think Pharmacare, actually has a truer ring than Obamacare.
The best thing about it? It is a starting point toward universal health care for Americans. Since Nixon's failed efforts, on through Clinton's, no Administration has been able to get anything into law. Now we do. It is such a mess that it must be changed. No one believes we can fail to do that. Hopefully that will result in a better program. We are finally on a mandatory roll, after over forty years of sitting on our hands.
In their crusade to change the United States as we know it, Republicans that claim to be pro-life are actually not so pro-life after all. They have constantly called abortion the mass murder of unborn children and yet, the Republican agenda being slammed through the US House of Representatives and Republican controlled state houses across the country will end up killing or harming more children around the world than abortion ever could.
How Welfare Destroys the Family
It is passed on to the next generation.
"There is only one way to kill capitalism--by taxes, taxes, and more taxes." ---Karl Marx
Americans Hooked on Medicare Crack
"Private enterprise and capitalism are still America's greatest hope."
-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Mon, Jun 13, 2011, at 7:17 PM
rr3 I guess you, and Rush believe it would be better to just let em starve, or freeze to death. You got a point. Grudgingly I have to admit that would stop passing it on to the next generation. It would also stop that nasty old over population problem we have. We haven't been very efficient at doing that since we nearly wiped out the indigenous people of this country.
You guys on the right have such great ideas.
Now here is a guy that has too much time on his hands, and too little sense as to how all that time could be used productively. He might as well go on a search for a steak that had last month, been thrown into a pen of pit bulls. http://www.5min.com/Video/US-Diver-On-a-Mission-to-Retrieve-Bin-Ladens-Body-5170...
Spending Addiction: Will Obama and Dems Go to Stimulus Rehab?
Weiner is not the only one needing rehab.
OBAMA: "That's exactly right. And, you know, a year from now I think people are gonna see that we're starting to make some progress, but there's still gonna be some pain out there. If I don't have this done in three years, then there's gonna be a one-term proposition."
There'e one thing I hope he is right about.
Backfire: Nothing in Palin E-Mails
"Palin did better in her public colonoscopy than Katie Couric did in hers."
The State-Controlled Media couldn't find anything so they are ticked.
A nuclear power plant 20 minutes outside of Omaha is reportedly at a stage 4 level of emergency. On June 6th the airspace for two miles around it was shut down. Unrelated to the emergency is the fact that the plant is on an island, and the Missouri River is flooding., which also is raising concern. Details are sketchy, and disputed (just as they were in Japan). At this point it is something we should keep our eye on.
Meanwhile high levels of radiation has been found in whales caught 650km from the Fukishima nightmare.
Something else to keep our eyes on. http://www.myweathertech.com/2011/06/15/high-levels-of-radiation-found-in-whales...
A very interesting article about Ayn Rand, the darling of the Tea Party, and Paul Ryan. It includes discussion of why Christians support her atheistic, anti-Christian beliefs. I believe that this one is edifying, and of interest to those of the right, left, and middle. http://www.gorevidalnow.com/2011/06/gore-vidal-on-ayn-rand-in-1961-she-has-a-gre...
Mrs. Obama's pet project, school nutrition program, is being funded by taking money away from food stamps for POOR People.... where are all you liberal and why arent you crying about this?
Interesting xray, veeeery interesting!!!!!
I would like to see someone figure out how much money we would have if it wasn't for the wars in Iraq and Afganistan along with tax cuts for the rich and all the oil subsidies given out in the last 10 years. Not to mention if we would close all the tax loopholes that would bring in millions if not billions in revenue. If we also did away with health insurance companies we would save huge amounts.
If we did this their wouldn't even be a discussion about taking money away from senoirs, children, and the poor. I'm confident the American people are begining to wake up to what the right wingers are doing to this country.
Right on Cheesehead. (he says, knocking the dust off an affirmative circa 1970)
Cheesehead you said:
"I would like to see someone figure out how much money we would have if it wasn't for the wars in Iraq and Afganistan along with tax cuts for the rich and all the oil subsidies given out in the last 10 years." Here it is, in rough form just for you. :)
Oil subsidies: forty five billion dollars over the last ten years. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/jul/09/keith-olbermann/o...
Cost of wars: One trillion and two hundred and eight billion dollars. http://costofwar.com/en/
Cost of Bush tax cuts over the last ten years: Somewhere between one and a half trillion dollars, and two and a half trillion dollars. http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/26314.html
Taking the low figure on tax cuts we would have roughly two trillion and seven hundred fifty billion dollars to play with. Now that is a whopping drain on the treasury. Just think of all the good that could have been done for all facets of our decaying infrastructure, and the jobs that would have been created to do it. Think of all the children that could have been assisted to become all they can be, in much more productive ways than is promised by the Army when they tout the slogan "be all you can be".
What a shame.
"Unemployment, jobs, manufacturing, inventories, foreclosures, housing starts, housing prices, inflation, gas, food? Except for those details, everything has been pretty much wonderful since Obama took over." -Rush
We're Living Through What Occurs When the Liberals Get Their Way
"The more people become independently wealthy, the less they need government. The left needs you dependent, the left needs you subservient. The left, the Democrats and the president want you needing them."
"The same party that yells about tax cuts for the rich have made it so that General Electric pays no taxes. Do you think Bush did that? you think Reagan did that? That was Barack Obama, my friends."
Look what happened to Microsoft when they didn't have a lobbyist in Washington, they do now.
They say small business creates jobs but who is on Obama's job council, corporate America folks. It's all for show. It's not about creating jobs these Democrats got you right where they want you and they know you will defend it because you depend on them.
"Government dependence is a learned behavior, and the Democrat Party and the worldwide left have been teaching and encouraging it for years." --Rush
Have you relaced your God with Rush?
Or, has his God replaced rr3 with Rush? ;)
Is that the best you can do? I really expected better.
Those people who choose the words of Rush Limbaugh have parted ways with their God. The average person's voice has been silenced due to the greed that these people like Rush have fostered onto the masses. Their value is on a person's net worth and not the value of ones quality of life. It's too bad Rush doesnt have to pay fines for his lies he spreads because then they might actually hear the truth.
Nothings going to change until we change the System. After all these Years they have Perfected the the art of doing what they want,and with the Peoples Blessing! We are fools?
More stuff on Fox News consumers, still believing the highest level of misinformation.
For all the duped, at this link there is a looong list of the things that you are wrong about. http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal/2011_06/the_most_consistently_...
Last chance to get right with knowlege...come on down.
BETTER REPRESENTATION OF THE PEOPLE 101
Examining the shortcomings of the American two party system, and the steps needed to replace it with a multi-party system. http://www.suite101.com/content/how-to-end-the-two-party-system-in-the-united-st...
Is Republican heavyweight John Boehner caught up in an adulterous relationship? Is the N Y Times about to do an expose'? The National Enquirer has already broken the story.
If proven,should he have to resign? http://current.com/news/93289537_boehner-affair-to-be-focus-of-nytimes-expose.ht...
The Muslim Brotherhood and Weiner
His mother-in-law and his wife's brother is supposedly members and this doesn't even make the news. Why?
The National Enquirer!! Really okr I am going to have to lower my expectations.
Losing His Religion
A Pentagon terror scare and a media taboo.
Probably didn't hear about this one either.
"When news organizations evade facts that fit what they see as undesirable stereotypes, they train news consumers to fill in the blanks even when the stereotypes do not apply."
There may be 18 billion dollars of Iraq's money, money that was in control of the U. S., unaccounted for. Most is missing from the earlier Bush years. Who got it? http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2011/06/201161962910765678.html
rr3 you said, "The National Enquirer!! Really okr I am going to have to lower my expectations."
Sounds to me like you didn't read the link rr3. Apparently the New York Times is about to do the story. Now I know the Times doesn't have the credibility with you that Rush does, or say...Fox News, but the Times ought to at least give you a heads up as you wait for your superior sources to report it.
Never mind that though. Have you forgotten that it was the National Enquirer that was early on the Clinton/Lewinski scandal? Others followed them. It appears that a similar scenario is setting up.
By the way, if it is true about Boehner's adultery you will be first in line demanding he resign, or be expelled...right?
That's right okr.
I appreciate your consistency rr3.
He should resign too.
Hey crazier things have happened they voted Kennedy in how many times? Something about a girl in a car in a river. An average person would still be in prison for it.
Tough decision as to whether to put this on the politics blog, or the religion blog. "Newly crowned Miss USA was one of only two contestants who believe in Evolution." http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2011/06/20/248482/miss-usa-believes-evolution/
Hmmmm? All contestants this year were asked the question in a preliminary round. Did this fact occur because fundementalist judges, and contest moguls in preliminary rounds, turned thumbs down on contestants who professed a belief in evolution? Was it because of the so called "dumb blonde" effect? Something else? Watcha think?
Here's another, politics, or religion? So many Right wing Christian groups are politically active that we might even call it The Great Crossover.
Anyway, Christian Conservative Group Demands Vitter's Resignation, Says G O P Committing Outright Hypocrisy By Letting Him Stay. http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2011/06/20/249110/family-policy-network-david-...
Works both ways news. I would like to know how you know nature don't care and if that is the case how can it respond?
Probably not possible Nana because we can see what liberal policies has gotten us in the last 2 1/2 years. The sad part is they don't even realize it. All you have to do is read post on here to see that. John Kerry may be right the American public is stupid.
Well wtf slavery was inefficient because the only incentive to work hard was to just do enough to keep from getting punished. In the free market you voluntarily sell your labor to an employee of choice. Free labor(capitalism) will always produce better products then slave labor.Government interference interrupted the market forces that would have gradually and peaceably done away with slavery. Our government used tax dollars paid by all to return slaves to a privileged few. You could actually be fined if you didn't participate in slave patrols again paid for with tax dollars and eased the burden on the slave owners.
You have to ask if slavery was so inefficient why did it exist at all? People always lobby the government for privileges even if we would be better off if all the privileges were eliminated. People are motivated by bad ideas that just keep us poorer than we should be.
rr3 you said, "Probably not possible Nana because we can see what liberal policies has gotten us in the last 2 1/2 years. The sad part is they don't even realize it. All you have to do is read post on here to see that. John Kerry may be right the American public is stupid."
The best evidence that it is not going to happen rr3 is your own statement. You read the same article that I did. It talked about problems on both the left, and the right. There was merit to the statements regarding each. Yet the best you could do was hurl more invective at the left. Not even an acknowlegement that there may be a problem with the right. It is as if we didn't even read the same commentary.
There are far too many on the left, and the right that can only see a problem with their opposite. It is so tribal that it is ridiculous. Yes, and it is proof that there are too many stupid people.
You are right Nana.
News either I am talking way over your head or totally beneath your understanding I don't know which!
When has the Keyensian approach worked and for how long?
It's funny news that you would believe in an economic theory without scientific evidence. Obama has employed Keynesian theory with extreme deficit spending. Also Keynes believed wages needed to go down to boost employment. I guess you would say we are moving in the right direction. But it don't seem to be working. Government intervention put the 'Great' in the Great Depression. I am really surprised that you would believe in a theory such as this when no amount of evidence will convince you on other matters. I do understand that my knowledge may be limited in this area so since I cannot discuss this at your level I will leave it at that. Thanks anyway. Okr is right there are way too many stupid people, we need the government to do it.
I am surprised news that you don't know more about Keynesian theory that you support. Ignore if you want I did the same things in grade school.
Obama releasing 30 billion barrels of oil from our strategic oil reserve. Does that mean that supply means something? Why aren't we drilling?
Did you rr3, also fail to reply to questions in grade school?
Does it make any difference okr?
Quite a prophecy News that I can mostly agree with. I am just wondering if you believe it? and why?
Hillary Clinton Questions Congress's Patriotism Over Libya
Funny how liberals always change their argument to blow with the political wind. They should come like a carton of milk with an expiration date.
The U.S. Senate flails about in an effort to save face as the coalition in charge of bombing Libya begins to crack
Trying to cover for a president that is a total failure. Does the US have any interest there? This has done nothing but embolden Gaddafi. Come on liberals where is the outrage? What if Bush had done this? You would be screaming at the top of your lungs, IMPEACH. Now we hear nothing, silence.
Since I do not now and never have claimed to be an economist, I hesitate to get into this, but since rr3 isn't answering your question "Name one time when Neoclassical economic policies have pulled our economy out of a deflationary period please" then I'll take a stab at it.
Like I said, I'm not an economist, but I can use a wee bit of logic. First, I'm going to make a couple of simple assumptions, even though I know that can get me into trouble:
1. We have had several economic downturns since the Great Depression.
2. We have come out of them, yes, only to go back into another one later.
You have told us in the past that capitalism in general can only go in cycles of boom and bust. You have also told us how we haven't given Keyensian economic policies a chance since FDR. Therefore, logically, my answer would be that EVERY economic downturn since WWII must have been ended using Neoclassical policies. Those same policies may have got us into the mess in the first place, but obviously they have also got us out in the past.
Personally, I am all for New Deal like policies combined with getting out of the Welfare State. I think most hand outs should have some kind of work attached to it. For example, unemployment benefits already require a minimum of two job applications a week, but maybe it should include some community service hours, or some kind of work also. Maybe having to actually earn the small check would encourage a harder hunt for a job.
Phil I think you said that very well.
I read on CNN the other day how Greece is considering selling government owned banks, real estate, airports, etc. and also end many government funded handouts to get money for their financial problems. In other words, socialist Greece is looking to capitalism to solve it's problems.
I think the answer has to be somewhere in the middle.
Finally an admission, yes, we are trying to assassinate Gaddafi, regime change is our mission, we will need boots on the ground after he is killed. Will we ever again have an administration that doesn't lie to the people of our country to embroil us in war? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/24/nato-forces-kill-gaddafi-libya-samuel-l...
It is a standard finding in economics that investment is determined by consumption as past sales are seen as indicators for future sales. When consumption is slow so is investment.
We are in a real pickle with this Great Recession. It is stagnancy in both consumption, and investment, neither will make the first move, so here we sit(on our hands).
Government must put money into research, and development which will prod investment in newly developed innovations, as a substitute for the usual stimulus (consumption) which is not going to magically reappear. In fact consumption is going to continue to shrink as our fears are magnified. There has to be a new approach, I suggest this one.
Man okr you are on a roll I think consumption will continue to decline as long as the price of food and energy increase. If we keep spending more on the staples for a civilized lifestyle then we will do without other things. I know the price of fuel alone has us considering every time that we get in the car: Is this a necessary trip, could it be combined with another? When we go somewhere for part of the day we consider do we eat out or do we pack our lunch? If I understand correctly that the price of food and energy is not figured in when they tell us whether we have inflation of not. I don't know about you but my cost of living is inflated.
What's Up With All the Presidential Gaffes?
Seems like we heard about every one of them during Bush but not a peep now. Makes you wonder who the dummy is, us or them?
rr3 you are also on a roll. no doubt we of the masses are experiencing the effects of inflation. The inflation index is nothing but a sham to make things seem better than they are when it does not include the items that are essential for all but the well off to live their daily lives. Do they feel our pain? Heck no! Everything is wonderful. No, bread? Let them eat cake. Not only do the elite not know our problems, as far as they are concerned there is no problem, everythingis rosy.
Well, wait until there insulated butts wake up one day to their duh moment, and find that we no longer can, nor would if we could, buy what they are selling figuratively, nor literally.
OFF WITH THEIR HEADS! If things don't change, the people in the streets will be roaring that soon enough. We have had enough of their patent nostrums that don't cure a d*mn thing.
Genetically modified marijuana? LOL I guess it had to become like corn, soy beans, etc., part of the GM movement sooner, or later. After all it is one of the biggest cash crops in the world. http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20110624/lf_afp/colombiacrimedrugbiotech
A very interesting article. It proposes that we are currently undergoing a populist realignment as a consequence of the third Gilded Age.
The only disagreement I have with it is that the commentator says it presents an opportunity for Democrats to seize the moment. I believe that too many Democrats, not only the Republicans, are enthralled by, and entangled in the machinations of the Gilded Age to seize the moment. I believe it is more of an oppportunity for fresh voices from both parties, perhaps forced by, and joined by Independents in the hop to this band wagon.
Read it, and see what you think. http://mobile.thehill.com/opinion/columnists/brent-budowsky/167959-the-great-rea...
And now, last, but not least, for this evening, a bit of political humor allegedly originating from Missouri's politics central. ;)
I think he was a liberal plant okr sounds like what they do in Washington. lol
Obama Needs Capitalism; Capitalism Doesn't Need Obama
Seems that Obama is doing on the job training. Even the unions have a probation period during which if you don't perform, in Trump fashion then "You're fired". How long is the presidential probation period?
"I think the cost of energy will come down when we make this transition to renewable energy." --Al Gore
HAHA What brilliance and people believe this guy on global warming or climate change or whatever they want to call it to fit their agenda at the time.
A good place to start Nana would be to get the government out of the bailout business. News today is saying that GM may be headed to more financial trouble. I gave them 5 years from their bailout and they would be bankrupt and that may be a fairly close guess. Capitalism is not the problem but greed with capitalism is.
Righteous Indignation: Excuse Me While I Save the World.
New book by Andrew Breitbart about how the liberal media lies to us. This guy used to be a liberal. Watch the interview with Uncommon Knowledge.
Maybe god will fix everything. But then again.......
rr3 you said, "I think he was a liberal plant okr sounds like what they do in Washington. lol"
Naw, can't be. Only yellow dogs are Democrats.;)
Gosh that is right okr boy am I bad.
Yes Nana I am serious and you are being seriously mislead and don't realize it. One of these day it will come to light.
One of these days wtf it is not a question of maybe it will happen.
Informative post regarding alternatives ND. Thank you. I liked David Korten's definition of market fundamentalists, and as I may choose to use the term on this blog, I am sharing it for the sake of the regulars. Perhaps it will cut back on the number of times readers mumble to themselves "I don't know what he is talking about". I can use all the help I can get. ;)
Anyway, here it is: " Market fundamentalism is more ideology than science. Its practitioners are dedicated to privatizing public assets and services, deregulating markets, lowering taxes on corporations and the rich, and limiting government's role to enforcing contracts and protecting property rights. This school has prevailed for more than thirty years and pushed through the policies that led to the present unconscionable concentration of wealth and crashed the economy. It remains oblivious to the lessons of its experience."
I enjoyed Mr. Korten's commentary.
By the way rr3 if you missed it, I think you also would enjoy it, especially where it rips Keynesians. It is a new way, not your way, nor my way, maybe we both should think about it.
Here is the link again if you did miss it. http://www.yesmagazine.org/blogs/david-korten/mapping-uncharted-waters
Joke for this evening,''There are rumors that Sarah Palin will run for president. It's a big decision. On one hand, running for president is a long and grueling process that goes on for months and years. But she could just quit halfway through, right?'' --Jimmy Kimmel
Or, "The White House said that President Obama will not focus on full-time campaigning for a long time. Yeah, he wants to wait a year or two before he gets serious about it -- just like he did with being president." --Jimmy Fallon
Something for everyone.
RR3... lol have you not figured out their tactics yet? They post over and over from liberal slanted sites... THEN accuse you of being somehow "wrong" simply because you post something from a site that is slanted to the right.
It is a never ending cycle of evasion, distortion, avoidance, and changing of the subject.
nanadot... I agree with you that we have to get away from the whole left blaming the right and common folks who are either Dems or Repubs blaming each other's party as the one who has all of or the most guilt in any problem.
HOWEVER, you also have to stop blaming what you are refering to the evils of capitalism and understand that we dont anywhere close to a free market nor anything close to real capitalism. There are too many interferences written into tax codes that no one person can fully understand that are based on special favors for various special interest groups on both sides of the aisle and the most vocal radical groups who manage to sway some of the public's opinions based on scare tactics and not real science... such as Al Gore and the global warming falsehoods. And interferences in the form of legislation based on the same type of favoritism towards various special interest groups of many different political and social ilks.
AND.... the strangle hold that financial institutions and the Fed hold over Congress and our politics.
AND the fact that over and over again we use FAILED tactics of spending money in the form of bigger and bigger government "programs" that are formed in the dark of night, in the backroom, under the guise of some national crisis if we dont spend billions and trillions of dollars.
And now that the policians from BOTH sides of the aisle have dug us a multi TRILLION dollar hole their continued solutions are to tax us more and to borrow more and to spend even more.
Even the whole "Rich v Poor" idea or the idea that any business entity that is a national or international company is automatically evil and out to get the poor person that many are pushing as being to blame for our woes is something that is only propagated in order to distract us from the real problems.
Until we actually remove the concept that a dollar equals a vote, causing politicians to be slaves to the dollar, then we will never get corrupt politicians out of the political game and we wont eliminate the sway that special interest groups have over politicians and public policy.
Because if politicians were not beholden to dollars for their campaigns then they would not have to curry favor and suck up to the entities that they think will give the most campaign dollars. AND if we removed that type of monetary control that corporations and special interest groups hold over politicians then they could actually have REAL debates over the issues and not propaganda to hide the fact that they are accepting bribe money for votes on legislation and policies.
That is why I favor a system where we just take over the networks, TV and Radio, and hold public debates and discussions without ANY commercial subsidies. WE have the emergency broadcast network system that we could utilize and adjust to include video feeds. Who cares what the radio and TV stations think. This would help eliminate the sway and spin that the media outlets utilize to help their favored candidates as well because there would be no money in it for the networks and stations. The only money that should be required for state and federal election campaigns should be what is needed to pay people to run the equipment required to broadcast these events. Each network would not need their own people or equipment as it would just simply be broadcast through their airwaves as is the emergency broadcast signal is.
X-ray you said, "AND the fact that over and over again we use FAILED tactics of spending money in the form of bigger and bigger government "programs" that are formed in the dark of night, in the backroom, under the guise of some national crisis if we dont spend billions and trillions of dollars."
Boy, did you get that one right. The biggest example of that is the wars promulgated on fictions formed in the dead of the night by the Bush/Cheney Administration, and continued under the Obama Administration. We somehow must get away from war being our biggest industry, and the biggest sink hole of the tax payer's dollars.
You are right News, when it comes to Wikipedia it is garbage in -- garbage out. I know you have sworn to us in the past that this isn't the case with Rawstory, they just report the facts. I have to wonder exactly where they got their facts in this case. I actually have an account at Wikipedia and have made many contributions to articles there. When signing up, there were no questions concerning my political views, and certainly no questions concerning which candidates I support. In fact, I could have easily used a fake name and still made as many contributions. So, if Wikipedia doesn't know who tried to make those changes, how does Rawstory? Just another example of how they really are left leaning. To be fair, enough digging could probably produce a right leaning website with an article saying how opponents of Bachmann have tried to change wikipedia to smear her. Such an article would be just as biased and with the same lack of evidence. For all we know, a 10 year old kid could have heard her speech, took it for fact, and posted it. There is simply no way to know.
Gotta disagree with you somewhat on this one Phil. I think you are comparing apples, and oranges.
Firstly, Raw Story has an admitted left bias. Nothing unusual about that, it is the same with newspapers. The newspapers select stories at times, or give them more space to fit their particular bias. Their editorial, and opinion pages reflect that bias. Raw Story does print news, it does print opinion, as do newspapers.
On the other hand Wikepedia holds itself out to be a form of encyclopedia, in other words just a provider of facts, never opinion, and never bias. Thus its self policing, to make sure it has facts, not falsehoods. Theoretically it is subject to a different standard than newspapers,as there is no place for opinion, nor bias. People alter Wikepedia content for spurious reasons.
The same opportunity does not present it self at Raw Story, nor newspapers.You can't sign up, and alter a story that they publish as you can on Wikepedia. Space is provided to place opinionated comment about their content, just as there is a letters to the editor section at physical newspapers, and the blogs of online papers.
I think you misunderstand me OKR. Wikipedia has self corrected the wrong posts in this case. Since it is done by volunteers, this isn't always accomplished. As has been said in this forum many times, wikipedia would not be considered a good source to use in a college class for example. It would be a good place to start though, since sources are listed for much of it's info.
All I was claiming is that nobody can say for sure who posted those false changes. Raw Story claims that it was Bachmann supporters, but has absolutely no evidence, only speculation. By the way, thanks for admitting that Raw Story is left biased - New has always refused to acknowledge that.
Also, I mentioned that I have made numerous contributions to wikipedia. I've only rarely contributed anything I would call new, but have corrected numerous pieces of blatantly wrong info. None of these corrections were at all political or even opinionated in nature. For example, some books written by one of my favorite authors were attributed to another.
My bad Phil.
However Phil, though we can't rule out that some underhanded lefty may have done it to make Bachman, and her supporters look bad, I think it more likely was done by her supporters.
If Raw Story can check the source who did the editing, and failed to investigate the source it was sloppy reporting. They should have commented regarding their search for the source. That it was done by someone is only half the story.
I checked the code utilized by Wikepedia regarding authors. There is no way to recognize them beyond IP. Responsible is not a word I would use regarding Wikipedia.
So, in my opinion Raw Story couldn't check further. Confining themselves to stating apparently, or probably that they were Bachman supporters is about as far as they should have gone.
Our Nation Is All About The Choices We Make
We can't afford national strength but we can afford "the largest expansion of The Food Stamp Program ever before seen?" money to pay for Obamacare? or a failed stimulus plan?
"The US Senate, controlled by Harry Reid and The Democratic Party, is close to, if not over 800 days since they last passed an original scoreable Federal budget."
"Republicans are too gutless and uncaring about their country to make the Democrats openly state, codify and vote for every last one of these priorities."
We need someone that has some principal and can stand for something and stick to it. Not cave to political and media pressure. Or it will never change.
Federal Reserve gives Congress the finger, heeds the bidding of Goldman Sucks, and Moregain Chase.
Sticks it to mom, and pop retailers, along with a hostof others. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43584934/ns/business-forbes_com/
Fox News reports that Japanese radiation,
continues falling all across our nation,
and that folks find it's no aggravation.
lol OKR... AND the wars continued by OBAMA and the NEW war instigated by Obama under the disguise of NATO but in reality ANOTHER war....
I know all of you like to be Monday morning quarterbacks.... I suppose since you think that Iraq and Afghanistan were "Wrong" wars against terror, then how would YOU fight the war on terror? just ignore terrorists and just sit back and wait for them to attack us again ?
Nanadot... this one is for you... I know you LOVE the Koch brothers... HOWEVER, where is you hatred for George Soros and his purchasing of MANY main stream media outlets and reporters?
And what about his spending 27 MILLION dollars to fight the re-election campaign of Bush in 2004? Talk about FOREIGN and INFLUENCING sources of monetary corruption!!
I love the ONE sided slant that you guys attempt to paint about Bush and Repubs and Koch brothers... lol Again Logs in your eye while you are trying to take the speck out of your own eye
First of all, just in case anyone got the wrong idea, I am not now nor have I ever been and doubt that I ever will be a Bachmann supporter. I merely point out that Raw Story did not "just report the facts" as News continually tells us, but made a major assumption and reported it as fact.
As far as which side would benefit most from the changes made at wikipedia, I really think it is a wash. If the changes were left and everyone magically believed, then Bachmann would benefit. Despite the poor state of education in this country, I think that had very little if any chance of success, which would make Bachmann opponents have more benefit. But Bachmann's people would then claim sabotage and the benefit switches, and so on, and so on. I don't see the incident changing anyones mind one way or the other.
So, it was either an idiot form one side or the other, or a neutral having some fun, or something else altogether. The world will never know. Most will simply check with their favorite biased news source, such as Raw Story or maybe Rush Limbaugh, and blindly believe whatever it says.
Of course, they should have said it was 'similar' to what they think were Palin supporters who did the same thing, since the same assumptions would apply in that case.
Also, when those"nerdy geeks" track an ip address, it still would tend not to have a political label attached to it. It is possible, but very doubtful. They probably would have mentioned exactly where the ip was traced to in the article if there were any real evidence.
Thanks ND. Too bad many of the workers won't have time to read the very interesting commentary, and facts at the link you provided. The only thing good about that is the anger that they would feel by knowing what has made them stressed out, would stress them even more.
Oh well, the pharmacy has a pill for that stress. for those that can afford it.
come on nanadot. at least be HONEST and address the bad monetary bribery influence that G. Soros has for his radical view points and to influence policy in HIS favor so HE can benefit personally from that curried favor. IT does not matter if it is the Koch brothers of the Soros, or Al Gore or any other person or group. The problem is the idea that a dollar equals a vote. When a sitting president is DESPARATE to raise a BILLION dollars to use in a campaign.... good grief... a BILLION dollars would feed a lot of people who are hungry, house a ton of people who are homeless. and if Obama does raise a billion dollars it is extremely hard to imagine how much money is changing hands from the working people, from the poor people, from the rich people, from the rich people from the corporations, Unions and special interest groups all to BUY a candidate from whom they will expect special favors as soon as they are in office... the total amount of Dollars for votes from the election of the POTUS to the state and local official is INSANE and corrupting. BUT all you can find are examples of this within the Republican party and NEVER EVER within the Democrat party or the left side of the Aisle.
nanadot you are wrong... an economic system cannot be at fault. Capitalism has NO ability to sway any individual or corporation to conduct their business in a good way or a bad way. PEOPLE influence things. And with the way our society accepts more and more immoral behaviors and allows so called celebrities to skate with slaps on the hands and politicians OF BOTH PARTIES to get away with ethics violations and criminal and bad behaviors and actions with no consequences except MAYBE chastizment on the Floor of the House or Senate, it is no wonder that we have problems.... the whole concept of the "Great Experiement" of our new concept of "Self Rule" via a respresentative republic is that it would require men and women of high moral standards and ethics to ensure that this experiement would work. AND we have gradually become corrupted... not capitalism corrupted by PEOPLE and politicians corrupted.
This is what happens when you disincentivize people to provide for their own needs and be responsible for their own actions and consequences of those actions and choices.
The corruption is in society and within the political class and NOT the form of economy that we have. The citizenry have become lazy, fat, apathetic and many have given up hope that we will ever obtain people of good enough character to overcome the REAL problem.....again.. MONEY corrupts and when money is what people are desparately trying to obtain to become elected then the system will automatically become corrupted and the people corruptible.
"The United States is a nation of laws, badly written and randomly enforced. Fewer laws equals more freedom--only a liberal could be opposed to that." --Frank Zappa
X-ray you asked, "I know all of you like to be Monday morning quarterbacks.... I suppose since you think that Iraq and Afghanistan were "Wrong" wars against terror, then how would YOU fight the war on terror? just ignore terrorists and just sit back and wait for them to attack us again ?"
Xray Since you asked how we posters would have done it, I will say that we (Lefties) did have a game plan.
My personal plan goes like this.
I wouldn't fight terrorists by throwing armies at them. I was on record with that ten years ago, and have seen nothing to change my mind about that. Nothing Monday morning about that, I was screaming my lungs out NO No NO prior to kick off.
The terrorists are in small cells scattered here, and there. We should have organized, and developed a small force specializing in counter terrorism. We should have ratcheted up diplomacy to secure the cooperation of the world in eradicating terrorism, and access for our forces to combat it.
That was my plan prior to the start of the game. There were lots of others, many with a voice much stronger than mine, that were pleading to be heard, to promote that message. Sadly all our voices were silenced by the deafening roar of mad voices, mad voices sparked by lust for blood, any body's blood would do, that was sweeping our nation.
Where were you on game day? Were you in the stadium roaring with the crowd. Or were you outside with we lefties delivering what most thought was a ludicrous message, "THE GAME MUST BE CANCELLED
A little reminder that our nation's most respected newspapers were cheer leaders for those wars. Only the left, and some Libertarians had it right.
Okla,Nana, I agree with everything you all have Posted! I have a feeling that The Bush era set this Country up with Appointments and Placements in our Government,( he and his cohorts), made in all different areas of the Government,(that are still there)working against this Administration! The same with running Republicans as Democrats in our Elections. (Like a-cadea setting up the Sleeper Cells here in the USA),with it set up right eventually they could do away with the Democratic Party, or any other Party, in the long term! It wouldn't surprise me at all! Personally i think it could be done? We should be very careful how we Vote?
Good morning ND, and Jo.
NanaDot you are right, and I must add that we are compelled to play a different game, with hope that others will see that it is immeasurably better, and join us.
Jo another thing that hurt the Democrats in my opinion, was the Howard Dean strategy to take the election battle to Red States. It was successful on the surface, as several of those states did vote in the Democratic Senate candidate, which on paper gave them a working majority in the Senate. Problem was that those Blue Dog Democrats too often voted against bills promoted by the majority party, per the wishes of their conservative constituency.
Hopefully as the American people continue to get rolled, and rolled over, they will learn to vote progressive over old school, instead of Democrat or Republican. Hopefully they will learn that if it is a corporate backed candidate, it is not a people's candidate.
We shall see.
"Republicans in Washington want what has worked in Texas, Tennessee and North Dakota. They want low taxes and a business-friendly, limited government. That's not sabotage; that's rescue!" -Rush
"Between the second quarter of 2009 and the fourth quarter of 2010, real national income in the U.S. increased by $528 billion. Pre-tax corporate profits by themselves had increased by $464 billion while aggregate real wages and salaries rose by only $7 billion or only .1%. Over this six quarter period, corporate profits captured 88% of the growth in real national income while aggregate wages and salaries accounted for only slightly more than 1% of the growth in real national income. ...The absence of any positive share of national income growth due to wages and salaries received by American workers during the current economic recovery is historically unprecedented."
So what else are you wanting to give to the rich Mr. X-ray? Are you in some kind of race to give them everything?
Referencing my last post rr3; just how much more "business friendly" can the working people stand?
Unbelievable,that the American People that try too keep up with Politics,can not see whats happening to our Government.What they do, is not to make thing better for this Country,but let it fall! This is why there has to be another alternative,but there is no way that everyone will get to gather and try! This is unthinkable, but, could it be, the majority don't care? As i said before,i had to sign up with the VA for some care after all these years,and even they say they can't get enough money to take care of the Vet's,but still do a helluva job,i have found out! I look back and think about the Guys that went too Canada rather then go to Vietnam,and think maybe they they had it right! It's a helluva thing to think a man wouldn't serve his Country, but why would they, the way things are now,why should they? Its depressing! Good nite you guys.
It's pretty funny that you still believe all of that Nana. How naive!!!!!!
That is exactly what they want you to believe. The people telling you this are rich and you still believe what faith.
Boy are you really buying all this Nana?
The problem is that the govt. is bought and paid for. If there were a level playing surface I might agree with your statement. But there isn't a level playing surface and the rich have made sure of that. He who hath the gold makes the rules.
Why do you think the rich are all those things? I know a lot of rich people that are none of those things. You're thinking is flawed and unfounded Nana. Like I said they want you to think that and you are falling for it just like okr.
Thanks for including me in such excellent company rr3.
You're welcome okr I figured you would appreciate that.
Why do you think you have that right Nana? Just because? Have you earned it?
The Cause of Calmness
"Calmness is easy when you fully, honestly grasp the utter weakness, metaphysical insignificance and sheer torpidity of people who actually say and believe these things."
The Extinction of Retirement
"For years the essential Ponzi-like structures of Social Security and Medicare were concealed behind positive demographics. But once taxes collected from current payers fall short of the required distribution owed to current recipients, the ruse will be laid bare."
Wow news you really buy in to all that too! I thought you might know better.
Here is a link about the state of television news today, and about the lack of real reporting. Think warm thoughts about Uncle Walter, Huntley, and Brinkley. If you are young enough to not know who Huntley, and Brinkley were, all the more reason to read the link.
A question for you oldsters to which I have forgotten the answer (though I will probably Google it when I finish this comment). Who was it that hosted the evening news on the third network, at the time that the three above worked the other two networks? http://thepoliticalcarnival.net/2011/07/02/the-only-losers-are-those-who-hunger-...
ND interesting link to "Coffee Party".
I wish them success.
There is one article that I find troubling. "Establish Justice: We support policy solutions that promote economic and social justice for all...not just a select few. (ADVOCACY CAMPAIGNS FOR AN END TO THE CORRUPT INFLUENCE OF MONEY IN POLITICS, ADVOCACY FOR CONSUMER FINANCIAL PROTECTIONS, ADVOCACY FOR FAIR TAXATION POLICY, ADVOCACY CAMPAIGNS FOR EQUAL RIGHTS)"
The first three items all deal with financial concerns, and to get greater support they should stick to advocating those.
While my personal belief is that advocacy campaigns for equal rights are necessary, and important, this Coffee Party advocacy should narrow the scope of their advocacy.
Firstly, the three financial items are across the board items addressing the concerns of those of all political persuasions hence greater numbers are likely to adhere to the movement. It follows that will result in greater financial support. Additionally, equal rights remains politically charged, and will provoke counter advocacy against the Coffee Party. The harm from Coffee Party abstination to the equal rights movement would be negligible because there are already several fine organizations promoting that cause. There may even be some harm to those organizations due to the Coffee Party bleeding off their funding sources.
Finally, the narrower the focus, the greater the pressure on the target.
"Who was it that hosted the evening news on the third network, at the time that the three above worked the other two networks?
Time is up.
The answer is (essentially) John Daly, at ABC 1953-58. Harry Reasoner did a later stint for a shorter time. ABC ran a distant third to the other two networks for years. Their was none until Peter Jennings at ABC that reached the status of Anchors at the other two networks.
HAPPY INDEPENDENCE DAY to all and for all you libs out there -------Happy Dependence Day you can be thankful for all entitlement programs.
I REMEMBER AMERICA-William Rivers Pitt
Freed from his pen at the New York Times, here is Frank Rich, free range. http://nymag.com/news/frank-rich/obama-economy/presidents-failure/
From the redoubtable Christian Science Monitor, a paper linked far too seldom on this blog: Twelve thousand can seek sentence relief of crack cocaine convictions. http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2011/0630/US-prisoners-sentenced-under-stri...
Note: At the end of the article is a twelve question test, "How much do you know about marijuana?" I am embarrassed to say that I was correct on five of the twelve. I would be interested to know how other posters do on that test. And don't worry you won't be handicapped if you have smoked the stuff, or if you haven't. ;)
Tough one huh News? Thus, we are now each better informed. ;)
Define "entitlement" programs.
Anything making you dependent on the government and a burden to society wtf. So take your pick.
You are right not until Barack Obama news.
IN MHO ND that was a good score on that test. Not that we are about measuring each other on these blogs. :)
"Don't tell anybody, but there are Tea Party Democrats. I met a bunch; they're listening to this show." -Rush
They are figuring out what you liberals are led to believe is a lie. Amazing!!!!!
"After all of this destructive spending, all of this debt that he authored, all of a sudden now Obama gets to talk about fiscal responsibility. He gets to have the Congress up there and lecture them about spending as though he's been a spectator for two years. That's the thing about this that rubs me wrong." -Rush
And some still believe it when he tells them it is Bush's fault. Still Amazing!!!!!
Take another look at America's corporate tax rate.
By this reckoning only Iceland's is lower.
ATTENTION: rr3 and MR. X-ray. http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/07/05/260535/graph-corporate-tax-second-lo...
Las Vegas is a ghost town. Missing its high rollers, its halls are filled with the same grim folks of haunted face that regularly show up at the Boats, and Indian Casinos that have proliferated all across our nation. Having reconciled themselves that no real wage increases will be forthcoming from America's employers, the smarter ones are regularly staking a percentage of their pay, down to a desperate, vain hope that Lady Luck will give them the raise that current capitalism can't. Others just lose it, both their dollars, and sense, knowing that what they have in hand from the boss won't pay their ever increasing bills.
But what about the High Rollers? Where are they? They have found a better game with better odds. They have become The Hedge Hogs. The hedge fund game has as many available variants as a casino plus certain elements that smack of three card Monte, card counting black jack, and whack-a-mole that are all perfectly legal. Unlike the casinos if they can't pay their losses, there are no broken knee caps, instead if their gambling losses are large enough, they are covered by the Treasury of the United States.
Perhaps it is stated best by Sebastian Faulks, in his novel "A Week in December", in the words given his character Roger Malpase. The scene is a dinner party of the rich. "What happened,' said Roger "is that investment banks, and hedge funds created evermore arcane instruments which they could flog to one another in a completely false market. Because it was over the counter, in private, the regulators couldn't see it. Then they could sell an inverted iceberg of bets on the likelihood of the original instruments defaulting. They were able to account a notional profit on the balance sheet on all this Alice in Wonderland crap and so pay themselves gargantuan bonuses."
Veals smiled thinly. "I'm afraid it's rather more complicated than that."
"Do you know what?' said Roger. "It really isn't. It's a fraud as old as markets themselves. The only difference is that its been done on a titanic scale. At the invitation of the politicians. Behind the backs of the regulators and with the dumb connivance of the auditors. And with the fatal misunderstanding of the ratings agencies."
My conclusion from all this is that Supply Side economics is dead. Not only because of inherent flaws in that system, but because The Hedge Hogs are addicted to their insured gambling, and won't turn loose of a dime for "trickle down".
It is no longer a wonderful life. Potterites win. Everyone said let George do it, but he couldn't by himself. No help provided by any angels.
Okr that tells me that spending is the real problem.
rr3 I always appreciate your unique takeaway from the commentary I post here. ;)
News, thanks for the nuts, and bolts you provided to give depth to my snapshot of that particular economic machine.
ND the appellation "Hedge Hog" popped into my head last night as I wrote my commentary. One has to be careful when claiming to coin phrases. I didn't last night, and still don't regarding "Hedge Hog".
I did google it (hedge hog economics) this morning, and though I didn't read every entry (who could) I did not find it used in the context that I did. The nearest use I found was from an essay by the liberal philosopher Philip Tetlock dealing with two approaches to economic prognostication which he entitled foxes, and hedge hogs. http://www.economist.com/blogs/freeexchange/2009/02/better_a_fox_than_a_hedgehog
However, whether I coined it, resurrected it, or pulled it unconsciously from a memory bit of something I don't recall reading, I think it fits those A-holes like a glove, and am flattered that you also chose to use it. I respect your erudition, and would appreciate it if you would inform me as to an original source of its use in my chosen context, should you know one. I would like to give credit if it is due.
Nana you fail to define 'fair share'. What would that be exactly and why would it be fair?
Americans are Destroying America
"Ignorant citizens elect ignorant leaders, it's as simple as that. And term limits don't help. All you do is get a new bunch of ignorant leaders. So maybe it's not the politicians who suck; maybe it's something else. Like the public."---George Carlin
"Blame yourselves, if you're in that 80 percent or so who will not hear of confronting the moral and fiscal bankruptcy of our toppling welfare state."
A Clueless America Approaches Bottom
"The left likes people to believe that they are representatives of idealism and the future. No such thing is true."
Confrontation is a necessity rr3, but the devil is in the details. You, and I confront, but our individual mind sets compell us to confront different targets.
Some folks never learn to believe, nor trust the left despite their astounding run of correct analysis of major problems that have faced our nation.
1. The Great Depression
2. Financial regulation
4. Viet Nam War
5. Afghan War
6. Iraq War
Instead they scramble to cover their arses with revisionist takes on each of those events. My only questions are is it duplicity, ignorance, or idiocy that fathers such irrationality?
Interesting rr3 to see you quoting that old lefty George Carlin. Have you seen the light?
It's actually kind of ironic that the vast majority of ignorant citizens and the ignorant leaders they elect also believe in talking snakes, humans appearing from thin air and people raising from the dead, etc.,etc,etc.
Which welfare is it you are so appalled with...
social or corporate?
Very good Nana!!!! I am so proud of you.
Wtf, both!!! What is your answer?
Why do we have a debt ceiling if we always keep raising it? Isn't that promoting irresponsibility? How can we get rid of corporate greed when we can't get rid of it in Washington?
How do you like me now? The only thing good is the music.
The wealthy can buy the laws and the lawmakers and manipulate them in thier favor. It's never enough for them. They can never have enough.
The lies that sold Obama's escalation in Afghanistan. http://www.truth-out.org/lies-sold-obamas-escalation-afghanistan/1309706361
I believe that our economy has been based on war production for so long that to end it would result in an economic meltdown. I think that hit Obama in the face when he became President. I believe that he is resigned to the awful truth of our predictament. Endless war, preparation for war, and furnishing the equipment for the rest of the world's wars is what we do.
I'm sure you're right. It's not like we export anything else anymore.
The keep talking about how we can't raise taxes on the wealthy because the create the jobs.
Where? In China? Or just jobs for folks to serve them coffee, do thier laundry and mow thier lawns?
What a waek arguement.
This link is for lefties only. http://existentialistcowboy.blogspot.com/2011/07/cult-of-uncommonly-angry-minds....
The really sad part okr is that I think he is serious.
I would like some opinions on this issue. During the 2008 elections 40% of all union members voted Republican in the 2008 election are there any guesses on how fall that percentage will drop in 2012?
Where did you get those figures cheesy.
I think about 40% again Cheesehead. Made up of all the racists, and a batch of the ignorant, such as those that believe Obama is going to take their guns, make them sleep with gay people, and is a Muslim who wants to kill their living Jesus.
By the way rr3 one of the people who said 40% is one of your boys, William Kristol. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/jul/07/bill-kristol/bill...
One of my considerations that led me to state the types of union members who would vote against Obama is this. In those same places where Obama was losing nearly 40% of the union vote, the Democratic candidates for Congress were losing considerably less of the union vote. That, even in districts where Obama, and the Democratic candidates for the House were emphasizing the same platform items. Hence it had to be some perception of Obama personally that they found negative that caused them to vote against him, but not other Democratic candidates on the ticket.
I think you are right on the breakdown of those union votes, but I also think those right winger who were against the unions didnt realize they were getting 40% of the union vote. They can blame that on Fox news and the Limbaugh's of the world who are teaching right wingers that unions are all liberals.
I also think that the extremism and overreaching will cause more unions to turn to Democrats in the upcoming elections even some of those you mentioned.
You may be right on both counts CH. I am a little more cautious as to whether, or not union voters will lurch back to vote for a centrist like Obama, when the Koch Brothers Cartel is blaring the guns, god, and gays mantra with never a let up.
There are too many visceral voters, not enough cerebral voters, and the Koch cartel has mastered the old technique of ring the bell, and make em slobber.
Okr why do you label those 40% racist and all those other things you said? Isn't that profiling?
I hope everyone See's how the Republicans are trying too being this Country down! And if you can't,something is wrong with your reasoning.And i think there are some Democrats helping it along ,as well! One day someone will expose this Government for what it is , just as they're finding out about Murdock now! That Clown should go to jail for his Un-American Ideal's or if nothing else just because he's senile and ugly! Ha
No rr3 it isn't.
Then what do you call it okr?
Thank you ND. You said it better than I would have. That doesn't surprise me.
Many citizens of our once great country are sick at what has happened to us. We are frustrated at our sense that we are powerless to do anything about it. Our feelings of rage have driven some of us to the extreme right, and some of us to the extreme left of the political spectrum. Many others have just given up, and are apathetic regarding the woeful state of our politics, our economy, and the outrageous behavior of our corporate citizens. Others have remained in the centerist section of the political fold, hoping, and believing that if folks will just leave their extreme positions we can somehow work things out. Perhaps due to an innately inspired belief in compromise, and the lack of it in our country today, their frustration is compounded.
We all despite our differences as to the cause, are witnesses to the effect upon our country. We all have seen the shuttered factories, the desolate cities, and towns. We all know someone who has lost that good job, and now struggles to support a family on two jobs that together pay less than the good job held prior to the American dream becoming a nightmare. Far too many of us live with a silent dread as to what will happen if I lose my job. I suspect that the most recurrent bad dream in America today as we uneasily toss, and turn in our sleep is based on job loss, and its attendant sub-themes loss of home, health, and dignity. That identification with vulnerability has become nearly universal for a large majority of the good folk of this country.
We have been standing by, believing that we are helpless, as our manufacturing jobs have been scattered to the ends of the earth, as if some country wide economic tornado had blown them all away. We have seen corporations given super citizenship though they demonstrate daily that they have no heart. We see that our government does the bidding of the rich, and powerful, and has forgotten that it is there to serve we ordinary people.
Though the powerful argue otherwise, our jobs did not have to be taken from we citizens. The proof of that is that the jobs of our war industry all remain here on United States soil. I hear no complaints that they can not make a profit domestically from the fat cats of that industry. The truth is that it could be the same for the industries who cried wolf , and abandoned we the people.
Here we sit, filled with ire, and bitter gall, feeling helpless against the tyranny that has been inflicted upon us. We are fools to not look to our founding fathers for guidance, and inspiration. We must once again realize that tyranny against the people may be thwarted only by revolution.
Though there are a growing number of those who are ready to take up arms in a guerilla war that would be fruitless. Revolution today must be waged with the weapons of today, and that rules out anything involving bloodshed, and direct physical confrontation. We have powerful weapons at our disposal that are legal, and non lethal, though I have not heard anyone speak of them. We have been felled by economic weapons, and we must rise again by using economic weapons ourselves in an economic guerilla war.
END OF PART ONE
The strengths of guerilla warfare include the ability to frustrate an enemy that is perceived to be more powerful, by not giving them a direct target that they can utilize their strength against. Also included is the ability to attack at points chosen by the guerillas, so that they may on a localized basis, field superior strength. Another is to improvise weapons against which those in power have no defense. Finally guerillas must devise a simple method of communication with each other that can not be subject to intercept by those against whom the rebellion is waged. Finally the elements of stealth and surprise are key guerilla tactics. We can do that.
In fact, one simple strategy incorporates all of those strengths. We must start by boycotting all products entering this country from China. For the time being buy U.S. made first, if you can even find it. If not buy from Bangladesh, or Brazil, or Germany, or Japan, or anywhere else you can find the goods you need. We can worry about the other imports later. This will entail some sacrifice by each of us, but miniscule sacrifice when compared to that of the starving ragged wretches at Valley Forge.
We must also spread the word. We don't have, nor need media to do this. We must do it by word of mouth, and from citizen to citizen. Copy this treatise, show it to your friends, e mail it to others. Talk about it when among others. Do not put it on face book, or contact your congressional representatives about it. Let them find out when they are surprised at the plummeting sales of Chinese products. We the patriotic human citizens of this nation can do this thing.
By this means we can, and must, reverse what the powers of this world have done to us. When the warehouses are stacked full of Chinese products that won't move, and when we no longer have to read the fine print on items on the store shelves to determine that a product is from China, because we can tell where it is from because it covered in dust, we will be beginning to win this war. We will then have the advantage because our enemy will not know where we may strike next.
We will have done what all our government, and all the brilliant CEOs, have been unable to do. We will have restored our balance of trade with China. We will have slowed the rush of China in their no holds barred economic war for world dominance. We will cause a void in availability of saleable products, wherein manufacturers on our soil at least have chance to fill our needs. We will finally let the government, and arrogant corporations know that they do not rule us, that their role is to serve us, not enslave us. We will have shown the world again as we did in 1776 that America is a beacon of hope to the entire world. Then we can begin to talk to them again. We can then talk armistice, and ending war, but on our terms.
This can be done. The only question is do we have the will to execute it?
Sorry OKR, I've got to go with RR3 on this one. Statistical analysis would mean that you actually took some good statistics and actually analyzed them. Rather, you took some overall voting numbers reflecting only total vote and union membership and inferred that since they voted against Obama that they must be racist. I'm kind of disappointed - I've always thought better of you. This is the left wing bias swallowed hook line and sinker.
Could these people not have simply recognized that he was extremely under qualified. Couldn't they possibly have seen his smooth talk for the political pile of manure that hindsight has shown it to be? Personally, when he first came on the scene I thought he might be president one day, and maybe a good one that I thought I would probably vote for. Running so soon with so little experience was a big turn off. An even bigger turn off were his answers during debates I watched with Clinton and Edwards. He didn't just have bad policies, but gave blatantly wrong info in some of his answers and showed a total lack of knowledge as to how the military worked. But, I suppose you are right, those and numerous other reasons could have nothing to do with why I voted against Obama, and since I also voted for Ike Skelton, I must be a racist. I hope my child of mixed race doesn't take that news too hard.
Also, and I have no statistics to support this, but I suspect there is a larger percentage of racists in this country that are non-union than there is union. The right wing has many many many problems that make most of them not worth voting for or listening to, but I am really tired of the left wing continually playing the race card. How about trying to win an election on the actual issues for a change rather than just continual name calling and creating hatred?
If you will actually read my post again, you will see that I didn't even come close to saying that ANYONE who mentions racism has a left wing bias. I did imply and will come right out and say that almost ANYONE who says that ANYONE who didn't vote for Obama did it because they were a racist, would have a left wing bias. Racists come in all shapes, forms, sexes, religions, and POLITICAL PARTIES.
Maybe I've just been too color blind my entire life to really understand racism as well as you. I remember not understanding why my black neighbor across the street wasn't allowed to see me any more because her parents didn't allow it. As far as racism being a defining characteristic, you do have to admit that we have come a long way in the last 200 years. I doubt it can ever be stamped out, not just in this country, but world wide. I hope you do realize that it is not just a local phenomena.
As far as experience, I don't believe that was Clinton's particular weakness, but I won't go there. He had been a rather successful Governor down in Arkansas prior to being elected President. Experience doesn't always equate success, but it does help in a higher percentage of the time.
By the way, it was just as wrong for those on the right to claim you weren't patriotic when disagreeing with Bush as it is to claim racism for not agreeing with Obama.
Phil the race card is played by the Right, the Left comments on that activity. It is played in a game that could be named Hate&Spite. It is played against African Americans, and Muslims. President Obama in the minds of the Right is both, and doubly subject to their venom. It is naive to think otherwise.
On the surface it appears that this proposed guerilla economic war is to be waged against China. It is not. Its purpose is to support the real people of this nation, and indirectly the real people of the world, including the Chinese people, in the never ending quest to defeat economic systems that thrive because they victimize citizens subjected to their tyranny.
The tactic of boycotting all Chinese manufactured goods parallels the conventional guerilla warfare tactic of cutting the supply lines of the enemy. If successful in this instance, the desired result will be the cut off of profits for those who took our jobs offshore, and prevent them from launching further offensives against our citizenry. The government of our country has failed to take any measures to curtail these corporate offensive acts against the citizenry. Thus we must punish them ourselves.
One other tactic of guerilla warfare is that its warriors have a flexibility advantage over their conventional foe. I leave this topic with the hope that as others enroll, and engage our mutual enemy they will adapt the tactics individually as they see fit to speed we the people to victory. My other hope is that all who participate do not become confused by their anger, and unable to resist the use of physical force in this particular guerilla war. It would be counter productive. In fact it is not outside the realm of possibility that our enemy as a counter insurgency tactic, provokes, and even manufactures incidents to use as propaganda to villianize this movement.
To be as specific as possible OKR, when YOU said:
"I think about 40% again Cheesehead. Made up of all the racists, and a batch of the ignorant, such as those that believe Obama is going to take their guns, make them sleep with gay people, and is a Muslim who wants to kill their living Jesus."
That wasn't the right playing the race card and you simply commenting on it, it was you making the assumption that people fit into that category if they voted for some Democrats and against Obama, rather than having very valid reasons, such as lack of experience for one, to vote against him. Like I said earlier, he lost me in the primary debates when he showed a total lack of knowledge of our military. Labeling all those who voted that way as either racist or ignorant is way below the usual standard that I've come to expect from you.
Phil I don't doubt that you voted against Obama for the reasons you stated. You have proven over, and over on this blog that you are a discerning person. Others however give reasons that are merely camouflage for their darker emotions that they don't want known.
On the other hand my experience of hearing overtly, and masked racial statements from many members of the Right, to say nothing of the horribly racist e mails that fly around the net, and the spurious rumors about Obama lead me to the conclusion I made. I believe that your reasons for voting against him are the reasons of an extremely small minority. Don't forget that I mentioned ignorance of the voters in the same sentence, and I did not draw a conclusion as to what percentage fell into each category.
I did look for statistical evidence that might shine light on the subject, but found none, beyond the large deviation between some who voted for other Democratic candidates that shared Obama's positions, but did not vote for Obama.
Sometimes we have to make decisions based on our life experience, due to a paucity of concrete evidence. I stand by my subjective opinion. If you have hard evidence to support your subjective opinion that my opinion is racist then by all means share it. As it stands you have presented nothing except your own personal action to refute my subjective opinion.
Rupert Murdoch: Would you say his Corporation is too big to fail? They, (The British) won't do anything to him or his Business! And were is this breaking up these Monopolies, what happened? I hope the British do there job,and Prosecute. The USA, WOULD JUST LET IT SLIDE!
I liked the article Nana but it seems to go against everything the media and the politicians are telling us. So the debt ceiling is not about defaulting, it sounds to me it is about uncontrolled spending. Just like Obamacare is not about better or cheaper health care it is about more control over our lives. Kind of like those evil rich politicians trying to tell you we need to make the rich pay their 'fair share', I have yet to see a politician stand up and say he did not pay his fair share so here is a check for it. I would really like to see that then there plight would be more believable. It's all about unregulated spending and your vote.
I would say that you hit that on the head.
Thanks for the link ND. The problem has always been that not enough people give a hoot, compounded by the fact that few listen to those that do. ;)
Sparks fly when blades are crossed, just because they must.
Other times we circle round, it's mostly parry, and thrust.
Either way, it's safe to say, it saves our swords from rust.
What stays, or goes, every one knows, in Eric we must trust.
the rich probably do pay thier "fair share" in regards to "the law". But, then again those laws are made by the rich so I'm not sure how that helps.
You say Obamacare like it's a bad thing. Typical GOP schoolyard B.S. Let's call it what it actually is.
HEALTHCARE INSURANCE REFORM. It ain't perfect but it's a start. What has the GOP done for you lately? What has the GOP done for anyone lately?
I tend to take a rather simplistic view on life. When it comes to the debt ceiling, my answer would be to either not raise it or do away with it completely. How is it really a ceiling if it can continually get raised?
Meanwhile, it seems rather obvious that the first thing to do to prevent reaching the debt ceiling is to quit spending so much money. Numerous areas could be cut without touching social security and military pay like Obama threatened yesterday. For starters, how about firing a few (or many) less missiles? I had the pleasure of talking to a few off duty Army personnel this weekend who told me that even at monthly training is costs $7,000 every time they fire a missile.
Some kind of tax reform is also necessary, but probably not to the extremes that either party insists. I don't think this is needed to prevent reaching the debt ceiling, but is necessary for actually reducing the debt back to something reasonable.
News Across are you still on hiatus, or otherwise shut down? I hope all is well with you, and yours.
X-ray are you burned out from your hectic work schedule,and too exhausted to make the appearances that we have come to expect?
You both are missed.
By the same token wtf what has the Dems done for anyone? I mean what has Washington done for anyone lately? All I can see is that they do pretty well for their self.
Economic Terrorism: President Lies About Social Security Checks
An outright lie, what would the media done with this if a Republican president would have spouted this nonsense.
Well Nana I would think that wtf is perfectly capable of replying all by himself if he so chooses. Don't you think?
BO we had $1.67 gas give or take a few pennies
AO we have $3.50 gas give or take a few pennies
BO we had unemployment around 5%
AO currently unemployment around 9.2%
BO we had health care available and affordable
AO we don't know that we will continue to have healthcare and can pretty much guarantee that it won't be affordable in the future
BO Dems accused Bush of trying to starve the old people by addressing SS
AO he claims they won't get a check if we don't raise the debt ceiling but yet SS is supposed to be solvent for another 20-30 years if you want to believe it
So Nana tell me something the Dems have done that the liberal media hasn't convinced you of.
As for defining lately-- if that is the only basis of your argument then I'm sorry but I can't help you.
Bush Deficit vs. Obama Deficit in Pictures
"Overall, President Obama's budget would add twice as much debt as President Bush over the same number of years."
Hey these numbers come from the Washington Post and include the cost of wars.
One President Left Behind: McConnell Schools Obama on Debt
"Democrats don't want to cut any government spending programs, not now, not ever."
"The problem isn't with elected Republicans; the problem is that the people want their treats. "
And the way things are going if the Republicans get their way the only time the people will ever get any treat will be a Halloween hand out by the Bogey Men Bankers, and the Hedge Hogs. That treat will just be an extension of trick, and really no treat at all.
rr3 Re: your "For starters:
That reminds me of the guy who went out, and drank a quart of whiskey, woke up the next morning with a heck of a headache,couldn't speak at all, drank a water and Alka Seltzer, then finally able to at least croak said, "darn that Alka Seltzer it gave me another headache".
You have a point okr but the way I see it is it will be the Republicans caving to the Dems that will lead us to disaster. Then the Dems will blame the Republicans and you will believe them just like now. No different.
Who do we blame?
Our Petulant Child President
Nana, Nana why do you think conservatives hate Muslims? Do you actually know that or is that liberal media telling you that?
Why does it bother no one that Rupert Murdoch said on camera that he slanted his news for the invasion of Iraq? This guy single handedly controls most of the info we get in some way or another. He's like an arch-criminal right out of a batman comic book. We had the Joker, The Riddler, The Penguin, etc. What should Rupert Murdoch's arch-criminal name be? I submit "The Manipulator."
Neither Nana just simply asking a question to see why anybody would make such a statement. Simple questions....simple answers-this is not a test.
Wtf which way did Murdoch slant the news? Why would you believe him on this when you wouldn't believe him on any thing else?
So now the Republicans want to welsh on the debts owed to the American people? How low can they go.
Thanks for the link ND.
Dennis Kucinich for President. Fighting every day for ninety eight percent of the people. Most of the rest fight every day for the other two percent. http://www.truth-out.org/debt-political-theater-diverts-attention-while-american...
Murdoch is an UN-American scumbag that needs to be sent back to Australia,but that would be a helluva thing to do too Australia & News Across?
Funny, Jo. :)
Which way did Murdoch slant his news? Are you serious?
Completely wtf you leave out many details and speak in generalities.
Does that mean he tried to convince you to be 'FOR' the invasion Nana? I didn't think you watched Fox News Nana.
rr3 which do you enjoy most, testifying, or jacking with people? ;)
What the Murdoch news did was wrong. However I wonder, how many of us would change our outrage if these invasions of privacy had been used to topple a corporation, a right-wing government, or to end some military action? How many of us would be justifying those violations of privacy? Sadly, I think many of us would be, especially those of us who are at this time, displaying the most moral outrage.
Wrong is wrong.
With you part way Inthemiddle. What Murdoch's organization has done is eavesdrop on innocent people motivated by greed. That is egregious from every perspective.
One has to be careful of hard, and fast rules. Motivation, method, and result, in my opinion must be considered, case by case.
What do you mean okr?
And Nana you still refuse to see the Muslim threat. Their goal is sharia law, it starts in very small areas and spreads, just like Islam being spread by the sword. Of course your liberal news source won't tell you to think that way now will they?
AFSCME: The Big Green Dog Behind Big Government & Higher Taxes
It's funny that most of these state and city governments that are in shambles financially have been under Democratic control for a long time. And some people still don't get it.
ahhh but you liberals LOVE wikileaks....
anyone who is bashing murdoch, fox news.... two words... George Soros.... but you LOVE the millions he quietly spreads through our main stream media outlets and NPR and other entities to spread HIS ideals for America and he is not American.... you are so blind by your Bush hate syndrome that you cannot see the horrible corrupting influence that is George Soros.... lol sad
I meant exactly what I said rr3. If you can't fathom it that is your problem.
You said, mrxray, "ahhh but you liberals LOVE wikileaks...."
No, we love transparency in our government so that we the people can make informed decisions. We regret that our government in its KGBD like secrecy, and the full compliance of a lap dog media, forces us to rely on sources such as Wikipedia to know what our government is actually doing.
Meant KGB, not KGBD.
Good to see you back News, and in fine fettle as usual I see.
Yeah NA, news hacks, and news hackers, all in the same bundle. LOL
It used to be called the Grand Old Party. Now it is reduced to this: http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/bl-republican-campaign-cartoons.htm?PS=8...
Which results in this: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20080250-503544.html
I hope you younger ones who post here (if there are any)live to see justice done for the sake of all the folks who have "disappeared" during the Bush/Obama Administrations, and for the sake of all those children who have been killed in Pakistan, and elsewhere by our drones.
Nations that we are not at war with have had their children killed by our drones. Can you imagine how we would feel if ANY nation flew drones into the United States, and killed our children? Can you imagine how we would react? Has the government of our nation gone mad?
It took forty years for the outrageous moral crimes that occurred in Argentina to see the light of justice, overcoming an immunity granted to the perpetrators after the events. May those who have authorized, and committed these crimes be haunted to their dying day, be tried, and convicted along the way. http://www.truth-out.org/americas-disappeared/1310995884
The USA isn't going to do anything to Murdock! If they had of carried out some Prosecutions against Bush and his thugs,i might have some hope Justice could be done! There is no Justice in this Country for the big shots. Everyone's dreaming if you think so! Elisabeth Warren should have been fought for,but what happens ,he caves! He just don't have any guts! I think were done for. Use the Drones on Washington! I sick of all these criminal Pigs!
"The U. S. Love Affair With Drones"
"Americans have moved into postmorality. Right or wrong? Who cares?"
A hard read, or at least it should be for those who value The American Way as being a beacon of hope, an example of fairness, and justice for all. How far we have fallen.
-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Jul 18, 2011, at 9:17 AM
Good argument okr I would have never thought of that!!!
Nana what Christian laws being imposed on you do you disagree with?
The U. S. economy 101 in plain english, with humor. http://truth-2-power.com/2011/07/12/u-s-economy-101-in-plain-english-with-humor-...
OKR but what if motivated by greed,Murdoch's reporters spying on innocent people, had discovered information that would bring down a corporation, or right-wing government? That was my point. Too many people in America who are rightfuly outraged now, would instead be cheering it as a "courgeous act" or "necessary evil."
NanaDot take a look at this link http://www.opensecrets.org/pfds/overview.php?type=W&year=2009&filter=C
Looks like to me more than half of the top 25 highest net worth in congress is on the democrat side.
So do the dem's really want to do away with the tax loop holes for the rich?
The problem as I see it is we the people keep putting fat cats in congress.
Do I detect a prejudice against 'rich' people on here?
Inthe middle the first thing I want to say is that I enjoy your comments, and the perspective that they reflect.
I can't speak for everyone, but to me your last comment has merit. No doubt there would be many filled with glee if certain governments, or corporations were brought down, no matter the method, legal, or illegal. Though you didn't mention it, the same would be true if a left wing government were brought down. Think Venezuela.
I think that I personally would be a bit more nuanced in my response. For instance I can't imagine any circumstance wherein I would support the killing by drone aircraft of the leader, and key government officials of any country that we are not at war. Think Gadafi. There would be many who would cheer that action. Assassination? As a whole, not good.
For me, I am comfortable taking it on a case, by case basis.
rr3 you said, "Do I detect a prejudice against 'rich' people on here?"
You darn sure do from me rr3, SOME rich people, I make no bones about it.
For me the source of that prejudice is that I abhor greed, and the collecting, and holding of moneys for its own sake which measure that greed.
Interesting link Gal 66, thanks for providing it.
I like to look at such things in detail. For instance though the entire Congress does have more Democrats than Republicans in its top twenty five richest, that is not true of the House of Representatives.
The House of Representatives is where every thing is stuck with no progress in sight. It is where populist matters are held captive. Twenty of the top twenty five richest in the House are Republicans.
What do you make of that?
Okr is there a difference in prejudice towards a person's finance, color, nationality, or religious affiliation? Do you look at the rich as evil? Careful you are showing your true colors here.
Okr is there anyone in Congress that would not be considered 'rich' by your standards? If that is true then does it matter how they rank from richest to poorest? Would the richest of the rich be the most evil?
rr3 you have a real knack for twisting a person's comments way out of context. I can look at it as just plain nastiness, or stupidity, or your idea of fun. Whichever, your last two comments are not deserving of a response. Hence there will not be one.
Don't like tough questions okr that's ok I know the answer anyway. Thanks.
Wow Nana you hate the wealthy as much as the authors of your links. And you believe it. Wow!
rr3: "Don't like tough questions okr that's ok I know the answer anyway. Thanks."
You sir, on this blog, are the master of assumption. That is unless you feel you have absorbed the powers that prior to now you ascribed only to your god.
No okr you just don't like your opinions to be questioned. Pretty simple really. I didn't even have to ask God for help.
Then I will say it for you rr3, God help you.
How can you say that and believe it okr?
We're Still Waiting for Obama's Plan
"And, of course, in a strict logical sense, what is the debt limit? All it is now is a political chaos opportunity for the Democrat Party. It's all it is. In 2006 Obama voted against raising it."
They want us to blame the evil rich so we won't see what they are doing. I know people are smarter then this if they would just do their homework. Don't believe everything you read or hear.
"Obama has offered nothing."
Well I just wrote a long e mail to my hard shell Baptist Congressman pleading the case for leaving Medicare, and Social Security untouched. I figure that at the least has a chance of being more productive than any thing else I have written tonight. LOL
ND thanks for the youtube Bernie link. What a guy!
For the wealthy, less in taxes is not always more
"Of course, if millionaires really want to pay higher taxes, there's nothing stopping them. The Treasury Department Web site even accepts contributions by credit card to pay the public debt."
Some Of The Rich Ask For Higher Taxes
Okla: I just called All the rep's i could ,for all the good it will do! I would give half of the last half of my life to see this Government changed,to a Socialized Government! I'm ****** that there isn't more Rebels in this Generation,like there was in the 60's! We need a 5 Million Man assault on Washington and be heard,so the Republicans can't say(We know what the People want)! The lying fools. I get sick of hearing it,and the Polls showing different! How do the People not see these lairs for what they are? Politicians are low life's,and it doesn't have to be that way!
ND, so now the credit rating agencies are determining what our Congress, and President do? Or, are they just a smoke screen, giving cover for dastardly acts by both?
Jo I think there are not more rebels in this generation because the young people are not personally threatened by the atrocious acts of their government. Bring back the draft, and watchem start yellin he*l no, I won't go, and getting caught up in all the associated causes.
As an old Navy man you will get this one. No draft, stay aft.
What she said. ;)
Obama sets new record on kicking Mexicans out of the country. Why don't extreme right wingers love him for his actions even if they can't stand what he is?
He also hasn't touched their guns.He has dragged his feet on the equal rights for gays in the military, and other things dear to their shriveled little hearts.
Self described as single, Christian, and conservative, otherwise described as a right winger, another wing nut indulges himself via mass murder. He couldn't listen to Rush, nor Beck in Norway, could he have? I wonder who he was getting his "instructions" from?
I believe I am less uneasy about schizophrenics who hear a myriad of voices in their heads, than the fringe right who hear Rush talking in their heads. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43857267/ns/world_news-europe/
Yeh okr the Mexicans are not coming into the country because they can't find a JOB because of Obama. Of course AMERICAN'S can't find a job either.
News do you really think the government don't have the revenue? They really have you snowballed. We have a spending problem in Washington not a revenue problem. I don't know news maybe you missed the last 3 years.
Over eighty dead at the island youth camp.
What a fine looking Aryan is the perpetrator. http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/artikkel.php?artid=10080610
Rep WU, a DEM Rep from Oregon just accused of an unwanted sexual incounter....
Hmmmm where are you liberal hypocrits?
For all those celebrating tonight, including the Aryan Brotherhood, Aryan Nations, Ku Klux Klan, Friends of New Germany, Supreme Order of Caucasians, and others of that ilk. A look at the dark side that fosters such evil.
Songs of celebration by a different kind of teenagers than those peacefully assembled on the Norwegian Island.
Skinhead Boy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKJA0kSPAYI&feature=related
Gone With The Breeze http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOL9I2PEJzA&feature=related
The Stranger http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjh9YQHvg4w&feature=related
Nanadot... if politicians from BOTH sides of the Aisle through the past several decades have not of raided the SSI trust fund to pay for government BIG spending the fund would have been in the neighborhood of 315 TRILLION DOLLARS right now......maybe the figure was higher but I did not save the article....
So exactly how is SSI NOT part of the government debt/deficit crisis?
as to SSI Efficiency... exactly how is forcing an employer to hire and pay people or accounting firms to collect a workers money (government confiscation of a workers hard earned money) and taking it away and sending it to the government where there are tons of overhead and waste and fraud and over and underpayments and other costs and then having that money placed into a trust fund where politicians of BOTH parties steal it to fund some other pet project and THEN once you reach retirement age you are handout out a minimal amount of money that most cannot live off of, an efficient system, or more efficient than allowing ME to take MY HARD EARNED MONEY and using it to fund my OWN retirement fund with a higher return where there are NO middle men nor government redtape and overhead?
OKR and NEWS>>... so I guess what you people are celebrating is another LEFT WING WACKO sad chance to cast ALL people of different political opinions in the same light as these people who are allegedly responsible for the violence in Norway? yet again you guys prove that you simply do not have the confidence in your own individual believes or values as proven by the intellectually immature action such as this.... this is how you all acted right after the AZ shooting and how you blamed right wing radicals and Sarah Palin for this mentally deformed individual's actions... this is getting boring
Mrxray, up to your usual rightist maneuvers, divert and dissemble, I see. What say you about Norway? It has captured the attention of most this evening. Curiously, you are changing the subject. Repubs, and Dems do this stuff you are throwing up all the time, but wing nut massacres of this magnitude are deserving of at least one evenings attention.
Here is what I mean about divert, and dissemble xray. Here is what I actually said about the Arizona shooting on this blog. It bears no semblance to what you stated that I said. You should man up, and apologize for accusing me of saying something that I did not even approach saying. But then that won't happen will it? Along with diversion, and dissembling, right wingers never admit they are wrong, and never apologize.
"I always grow weary with sadness when another tragedy such as this Arizona massacre, occurs. Today, as on all similar days I flashback to exactly where I was when I heard John Kennedy was killed. Dying along with Kennedy that day was my innocent idealism, and unbounded belief that we, all together, were going to make America a shining example to the world.
We, compelled by innate curiousity, begin to search for answers as soon as we hear the disheartening news. We may never get the complete answers that we frantically try to find in this, the immediate aftermath. Try we must, not only to assure that justice prevails, and that the full scope of the crime is revealed, but because we once again, must attempt to make sense of madness. There is some chance that justice may prevail, there is some chance that we will know all the details of the act, but there is no chance that we will ever make complete sense of the madness.
-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Jan 9, 2011, at 11:12 PM
lol OKR... you guys were the ones instantly jumping in and saying ALL conservatives are just like the alleged gunman in Norway... sheesh..
Nanadot... here is another example of the government CAUSING our financial problems or at least adding to them with BAD policies.
Quotes from the article:
This is what they call a success?
"In the year leading up to the Chrysler and General Motors' bankruptcies, the auto industry lost 400,000 jobs. Since the bailout, about 113,000 of those jobs have been recovered."
"That's because the government originally expected it would lose much more on the auto bailout. Initial estimates from the Congressional Budget Office in 2009, predicted the government would lose $40 billion on the overall auto bailout.
Now it estimates, by the time the $80 billion program is completely wrapped up, taxpayers will have lost $14 billion."
"lol OKR... you guys were the ones instantly jumping in and saying ALL conservatives are just like the alleged gunman in Norway... sheesh..
-- Posted by mrxray on Sat, Jul 23, 2011, at 7:59 AM "
There you go again xray, dissembling. You just can't help it can you? It is ingrained in your persona. I don't see anywhere, where any one said all conservatives are just like the alleged gunman in Norway. You know what, neither did you. So why did you say that? Don't you know that you lose credibility each time you do it? At the least your credibility is strained in the minds of all, but those brainwashed by Limbaugh logic.
In the clutter you have made I still can't find where you have shared any opinion on the topic of the day, the Norwegian mass murderer. You do have one I assume. Just to be clear, I am asking you to get past your opinion of liberals, we have heard it all before, it is boring, and comment on the story.
dis·sem·ble /dɪˈsɛmbəl/ Show Spelled
[dih-sem-buhl] Show IPA
verb, -bled, -bling.
--verb (used with object)
1. to give a false or misleading appearance to; conceal the truth or real nature of: to dissemble one's incompetence in business.
2. to put on the appearance of; feign: to dissemble innocence.
3. Obsolete . to let pass unnoticed; ignore.
You said, x-ray, "OKR and NEWS>>... so I guess what you people are celebrating is another LEFT WING WACKO sad chance to cast ALL people of different political opinions in the same light as these people who are allegedly responsible for the violence in Norway?"
And then you said, "this is how you all acted right after the AZ shooting and how you blamed right wing radicals and Sarah Palin for this mentally deformed individual's actions... this is getting boring"
So you say, "this is how you all acted"?
It is really laughable x-ray that you indulge in generalization to accuse us of generalization. ROTFLMAO
News I wish I could. I get the same error message. It may have something to do with the fact that I posted that message, and link back in January. That is so long ago that I don't recall how the link was associated with my post.
Thankfully we don't have any one like that posting on the internet around here.
"Public broadcaster NRK and several other Norwegian media identified the suspected attacker as Anders Behring Breivik, a blond and blue-eyed Norwegian who expressed right-wing and anti-Muslim views on the Internet." http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/23/oslo-bombing-suspect_n_907633.html?icid...
Deputy police chief Roger Andresen declined to comment on the possible motive for the killings, but said: "We have no more information than ... what has been found on (his) own websites, which is that is goes toward the right (wing) and that it is, so to speak, Christian fundamentalist." http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43857267/ns/world_news-europe/
It appears that the Norwegian killer holds fundamentalist Christian views, is anti-Muslim, conservative, and against multiculturalism.
It would be ridiculous, and unfair to suggest that he is typical of those who share his beliefs. Mass murderers are typical of no others in whatever belief set they are esconced.
It is fair, and perhaps enlightening to ponder, and discuss, why it is that more often than not in recent decades mass murderers belong to one fundamentalist sect, or another.
Again news you fail to address the real problem 'spending'. If we cannot control that we will always have a revenue problem.
Nana how can you see GM as a success when the average person cannot afford a new car. Also they are very overpriced. I will not finance their success except what is forced upon us by the hand of the government.
He who has the gold makes the rules.It's even worse now. I won't give a long list of obvious examples but keep in mind the recent supreme court decision to give corporations the same rights as individuals. The ultimate betrayel to the American worker. The deck is now completely stacked.
Thanks for the links ND, especially the one on market fundamentalism. I haven't finished it yet because I am sandwiching it with my paper copy of the Sunday Times, but I shall.
It occurs to me that innocent, and naive are not only far from being synonyms, but depending on circumstance, may be antonyms. I wish all would read at the market fundamentalism link that you provided.
Far to the right, where most can see
strange fruit drops from a curious tree.
When it rots bad seeds soon set free.
Neath that tree is it fertile ground,
when the stench of death is all around?
May the fruit not drop near you, nor me.
Eric Robert Rudolph
'Where the Unabomber wrote, "One of the most widespread manifestations of the craziness of our world is leftism," Breivik's text puts "multi-culturalism" instead of leftism'
Let's see news I don't think Obama and the Democrats have come up with a budget since he took office.
FactChecking Obama's Budget Speech
"The president went too far in his critique of the House Republicans' deficit-reduction plan."
hey nanadot.... here is something you will love...
Another example of your favorite Union, SEIU, and how they use bad actions to attempt to intimidate boardrooms and employers along with the employees...
But as long as it puts money in the THUGS of SEIU and they elect Democrats that is all good right?
News... we all know that info about the House being responsible for the budget... BUT when the parties are at an impass... then a real leader would lead. And the President is supposed to be a leader but we all know Obama is not...he has to be pushed and dragged along to make a decision... AND the Dems want to bash the Repubs by calling them the party of No, but because the Dems in the HOUSE are not putting up a budget of their own, nor a long term plan then does this not make the DEMS the party of NO? LOL
You are right, it is their constitutional duty today, just like it was before the last election. Prior to the last election, when the House, Senate, and President were all Democrats, why was there don budget passed and why aren't you complaining about that. Also, good or bad, they did pass a plan last week called something like cut, cap, and balance. It wasn't the Senate that rejected that. It takes BOTH parties for a compromise to work. In the House vote, some Democrats voted with the Republicans.
Phil and xray you make some very good points but some may never get it.
I pay into SSI as do most of you. We are financing SSI for our parents and we expect the next generation to do the same for us. When did SSI become an "entitlement"?
Nana D. your link to history of the Republican party, and how they reacted to raising the debt ceiling http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/05/22/politics/main555108.shtml when their guy was in the White House should be read by everyone who follows this blog. Oh the hypocrisy of the Republican Party, which, by the way should be a dead party by now considering their outrageous betrayal of the American people. Folks in this country may be slow to react, but what is left in me of optimism after seventy years hopes that they soon will get their long over...due.
News if you keep saying something long enough does become true?
News and Nana someone has been lying to you guys!!!
See I told you.
How the hell do you all expect the people we elect to act any differently that we do here on this blog?
We are all so hard headed that we can not see that the other side has some good ideas!
As the father of a disabled child I do not want to see any cuts in what little help that we do get (we have just started getting some help for our daughter after doing it on our own)
But I know the system is in need of some work and if we have to deal with some cuts we will, I would hate to guess just how many people in the country are on disability that have no real reason to be on it.
There could be a lot of savings in the government spending if they would just cut out the waste and do away with the pet projects of the elected members of congress!
We need tax reform in the worst way everyone needs to pay taxes at the same rate and no one or any company should get by with out paying period!
I will not vote for anybody that votes to cut social security benefits at all!
We the voters of this country had better get our heads out of the sand and force our elected members of congress to do what is best for this country as a whole not just what their side of the isle thinks is best for the country!!!!!
News I really think your wrong when you say the party of no has to go.
I really think they all have to go!!!!!!
Thanks News. I was aware of it. but RR says it so...succinctly.
My dream administration would be Dennis Kucinich, President; Bernie Sanders, Secretary of State; ROBERT REICH, Secretary of Treasury; Paul Krugman, Chairman, Federal Reserve; Ron Paul, Secretary of Defense; Robert Kennedy, Jr., Secretary of Interior; Elizabeth Warren, Secretary of Energy, Elliot Spitzer, Attorney General; Ralph Nader, Secretary of Commerce, Joan Mahoney, Secretary of Education. Too tired to fill out the rest now.
HA HA HA ....
This is for you liberal whiners....
I just heard on KMBC that if you want to utilize a "Cooling Center" then you have to bring a Photo ID. YET you dont have to have one to Vote?????
LOL SO the excuse that seniors and poor cant afford or get to a location to get a photo ID, therefore they should be exempt from having a photo ID to vote applies for voting but NOT to life saving cooling centers.... LOL LOL LOL
I love IRONY
LOL The whole BAD propaganda that News is spewing about the conservatives wanting starve grandma and prevent them from having a retirement is so factually inaccurate I am really surprised that you would lower your self to repeating it NEWS... ok, I am not surprised all you are is a parrot of the leftist hate tactics that you read on your biased blogs... LOL
News... again.. your logic is FAILED. Just because the source might not meet "Your" ideals you attempt to discredit the info based on YOUR Bias. You fail to actually discredit the actual information....
AGAIN.... a "real" leader, like Obama pretends to be in his teleprompter speeches, would have a plan in writing, on paper, in black and white, for public consumption ESPECIALLY when the two parties in the House are not currently able to work the budget out..... that is EXACTLY what a leader and a President of our nation should do... YET neither Obama, NOR the Dems have a budget plan in writing with any sort of specifics required to enable a debate....all the Dems can say is NO NO NO to the budget plan that has been laid out.... LOL
Gal66.. I agree with you, BOTH parties are equally corrupt, equally only out for their own selves and to attempt to get their party elected instead of being interested in long term solutions to our REAL problems...
It is sad to see so many fall into the whole class warfare propaganda where they blame the rich for all of our problems when in fact is the apathy of our VOTING citizens and common folk, who WAY out number the rich, and allowing them to run over us and for allowing them to feel comfort in their corruption and egotistical delusions of grandeur.
We should almost NEVER elect people to office who WANT and desire to be in office, especially those who are willing to spend millions and billions to get elected...
Do away with the concept that a dollar equals a vote....
On one hand you say it's sad that we believe the class warfare "propaganda" and blame the rich for our problems. On the other hand you say the rich have run over us and we have allowed them to feel comfort in their corruption and egotistical delusions of grandeur.
The fact that they have purchased our governemt and it's laws sounds like the very definiton of class warfare to me.
Now for something really funny.
What do you get when you offer a liberal a penny for their thoughts?
(whisper) Hey Nana we really didn't have a surplus.
X-ray you said; "HA HA HA ....
I just heard on KMBC that if you want to utilize a "Cooling Center" then you have to bring a Photo ID. YET you dont have to have one to Vote?????
LOL SO the excuse that seniors and poor cant afford or get to a location to get a photo ID, therefore they should be exempt from having a photo ID to vote applies for voting but NOT to life saving cooling centers.... LOL LOL LOL
I love IRONY"
I too love irony x-ray. An even greater irony is that you heard on the radio that one needed an I. D. to enter a cooling center, and your take away was that if folks need an I. D. to go to a cooling center, then it would be a lesser infringment to have to produce a photo I. D. to vote.
Most would have focused on why people can't get into a cooling center, many would have thought it an outrage, certainly if what you related was all that you heard on the subject.
I find it bitterly ironic that you expressed no concern for those who could not get in, and instead you mind was drawn to voter I.D. issues, endorsing by innuendo denial of rights for both groups.
Additionally, your usage of false equivalency in your rhetorical argument is laughable, or should I just say LOL, as you are wont to do.
Perhaps, I should have responded to your comment with a terse "two wrongs, don't make a right", after all that is at the heart of it.
Then their is the other side of the coin.
What do you get when you offer a conservative a penny for his thoughts? He takes your penny, and says I'll get back to you.
It didn't go toward the deficit Nana because it didn't exist don't you get it?
The Myth of the Clinton Surplus
"The growing deficits started in the year of the last Clinton budget, not in the first year of the Bush administration."
So why did the Dems make this claim? "it has to do with Washington doublespeak and political smoke and mirrors."
"The government just covered its deficit by borrowing money from Social Security rather than the public."
I mean seriously Nana you want to stand on that argument that is about as good a someone saying they are not biased. And if you believe all of that then maybe we did evolve from monkeys.
News you assume a lot of things like who says you have to be aligned with a political party to be biased? If you are aligned with independents wouldn't you have an independent bias? I think you have a liberal bias and I have a conservative bias but that is just my opinion not peer-reviewed scientific evidence.
They want you to believe there is overwhelming evidence that we evolve from monkeys. They want you to believe that so you will deny God otherwise they would be wrong. We all are made in God's image so your peer-reviewed scientific evidence is wrong.
Okay, I am tired of this partisan stuff. And I am tired of the Republicans blaming the Democrats. How short is their memory. We had a huge deficit after Reagan and Bush1, then Clinton came in and our deficit was almost gone (relatively). Then in comes the Shrub and look out here comes the biggest deficit ever. Yes, we were bombed on 9-11, but instead of concentrating on the one war in Afghanistan, the Shrub somehow convinced a nation to get us into a war in Iraq. Now 9 years later we are still in both places. So now we are blaming Obama?? I am not a Democrat and didn't even vote for Obama, but I don't rewrite history or the facts. Bush had us in so much trouble at the end of his 8 years, there were no good solutions. Now the we need Congress to quit the partisan stuff and just compromise. We need to cut everything some, cut out all the waste, and make sure wealthy americans pay their fair share.
I am a moderate, you know the ones that actually swing the elections every two years. When is someone going to represent us and find some commonsense and some middle ground. This is ridiculous. Enough already. When are the politicians going to look out for their country instead of their precious parties?
Char Broil, Good piece of meat you put on the grill.
Please do send it to all your federal representatives. It is the sort of well written expression of the ire of the American people that may get the attention of one, or more.
If nothing else they do note the frequency of various categories of e mail they recieve, sort of a backward poll. That is why, and how the people's voice is heard. We are all numbers in this information technology age. Let's all unite as a good number, and tell em to enjoy this term, because unless they change it is their last!
News why does God have to have chromosomes?
Watch out or your cronies will be hollerin' that we are gettin' too religious over here.
Nanadot, I think your Post on July,27 was right on! I think this Government would do well with the way i was raised! Honesty,with a hand shake,and confrontational if necessary! What i mean, is if one tells lies, break out the white gloves,with a slap across the face of your opponent,then the best Man wins! I don't think any one of our Politicians would lie about one another,or to us! If that were the case! I really do think our Rep.are getting to that Point,that Violent protest is all they will understand,we just haven't made that clear yet! Common sense isn't used much anymore.You can always interpret things different,regardless what it is,but Common Sense should prevail,and it doesn't anymore!
White House Council Takes Aim on Rural America
"Obama's ultimate goal is to assure that government has ultimate control of every square inch of land, every business activity, the curriculum in every school, and, ultimately, the information that may be conveyed on the public airways."
"It's high time to recognize the Administration's blatant disregard for the Constitution, and cleanse Washington of all who allow either Congress or the Administration to embrace the socialist policies recommended by the United Nations."
You can say what you want about our government never achieving anything. There is one thing they are always successful at. Achieving the debt ceiling , I think they have hit it every time it has been raised. I guess we should call it a target and Obama has hit it 3 times already. I am proud to know that our politicians in Washington are good for something.
No rr3 the real story is The Corporatocracy Takes Aim on Rural America
The Corporatocracy's ultimate goal is to assure that they have ultimate control of every square inch of land, every business activity, the curriculum in every school, and, ultimately, the information that may be conveyed on the public airways.
It's high time to recognize the Corporatocracy's blatant disregard for the Constitution, and cleanse our country of all who allow either Congress or the Administration to embrace the fascist policies recommended by the Koch Brothers, and aped by the Tea Party.
Please read Marcia Gorrell's story at this link http://www.marshallnews.com/story/1748474.html for just another example of corporations running over farmers, taxpayers, travelers, and even the FAA. Don't forget to read the links she has added below her commentary.
I haven't had the opportunity to check it, but I bet the Republican Party is in it with them hand in glove, h*ll maybe the Democrats too.
Yeah the guy does ND, which means nobody in government is going to be heeding him. Aaaaaargh!
If our Laws don't cover what the Koch brothers are doing ,and other big Money,it should be taken care of now! And what about to big to fail? When will that splitting up take place! If anyone thinks it will with out some bad things happening.I think your dreaming! They are so close too total control of us,it's scarry! We could be looking out our Windows thinking, when will they come for me! I'm sure the Jews felt that same feeling!
Also, how does a guy like Rupert Murdoch manage to own so many media outlets? Controlling the flow if information to masses is power in it's most pure form. Granted, he didn't manage to keep a lid on the whole phone hacking thing. The question is will anything of consequesnce really happen to them.
There used to be laws against that WTF.
It is the fourth quarter, Corps 40 People 0.
NanaDot's main page link to the article clarifying the difference between debt ceiling and default was highly informative:
It also discussed the rating companies' (S&P, Moodys) role in the financial crisis, rating mortgage bonds sold to pension funds among other investors even though they were junk. Some junk was produced here, absurd loan underwriting. If a youngster got a home loan, he thought that meant the mortgage originator was confident he could make the payments. But that wasn't the game they were playing.
News how come Harry Reid didn't want to bring his bill for a vote in the Senate. He was made the offer.
No news how come Harry Reid didn't bring his own bill to the floor of the Senate to vote? Please pay attention.
Obama thought it was a bad thing under Bush this is nothing new in the political fray news. I mean I wish I could raise my debt ceiling so I could spend more money but as an economist maybe you can explain why it is good.
I will go to the religious forum for the other.
Mr. X-ray, and rr3 as our only conservative posters on this blog (thank you for being here) please read the following link, one initially provided by ND, and see if you can refute it.
I expect that if you accept the challenge you will attempt to refute it, as opposed to agreeing with it, but perhaps I am wrong.
The reason I am asking your assistance is because it is hard for me to believe, that anyone who reads at the link, who follows our nation's workings with acuity, would have any response excepting, "but of course" concerning the content. I expect that, should you choose to respond, it perhaps will allow me to better understand the conservative mind. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/07/29/republicans-on-the-debt-ceiling...
Debt deal struck, appears to be all take away from the common people, and nothing from the rich. Obama having all ready handed his privates to the so called conservatives, had nothing left to give, but the arses of ordinary Americans. The deal appears to be more capitulation than compromise. Economists say wrong, wrong, wrong!
Obama goes against every thing he has learned, and believes about economics, and societal needs, shedding his principles faster than he shucked Reverend Wright.
What principle will this man fight for other than that he deserves a second term in office?
Scary thought, especially because it may be true. Could it be that the President of the United States is now no more than an administrative officer, answering to a corporate board? Should we no longer consider ourselves as citizens of a federalist republic, but instead as minor stock holders in the world's showcase corporate holding?
In the middle of the long wrangle over the debt ceiling, we have several things sneaking through that mean more unneeded problems for farmers and others in rural area. At least we can watch Congress. It's the regulatory sneaky stuff that's a worry.
Of course, there's the story Gorrell wrote about the sweet deal Lightsquared got to provide broadband on FCC regulated frequencies that will likely interfere with GPS. "Comment" period was extremely short.
There's the U.S. Department of Transportation wanting to require CDL's on farm trucks and trailers. If you crop share and haul to a local elevator, you're doing interstate commerce, they say, so get a CDL. Or if you're hauling a load of calves to the sale barn, get a CDL. Comment period was extended 2 days, ends today.
Despite Congress voting down federal regulation of farm ponds, etc., it's now sneaking through. The EPA and Corps. of Engineers will be in charge of water, water everywhere. We've seen what a great job the Corps did with saving mountain snow melt this year. It's not like we have a state department of natural resources of conservation department. We need federal regulation of rural details?
Additional complexity adds costs, introduces inefficiencies, and - I suppose leads to job creation at the federal level.
Bureaucracy grows itself in a shrinking economy.
I suppose that the only way to put a positive spin on this situation is to consider it not an end of things, but instead the moment of a new dawn, shedding first light on a new beginning.
If this onerous new contract against the American people holds it will be a metaphorical equivalent to the burning of the Reichstag. If it holds, Congress as intended to be, will instead be ashes, overlayed by the stench of all that transpired.
I say a new beginning because, quoting John Steinbeck's character Tom Joad, " It don't take no nerve to do somepin when there ain't nothin else you can do".
It appears only great tragedy can arouse the American people from their somnolence. Clinging to our ever more shredded security blanket we sleep on. This may, as does any nightmare, awaken us with a start, a shiver, and finally the realization, that the emperor has no clothes, nor do we.
They have at last gone too far. Millions of people with nothing left, stripped even of their very dignity, may begin to do what must be done.
We will see ND. Medicare cuts to provider payments will make worse an extant problem. More providers will simply refuse to take Medicare dependent patients.
Barney Frank voted no. Here is why: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/43980007#43980007
Looks like the American people may be strongly considering firing everyone in Congress that is up for review in 2012.
First post agreement poll:
"The approval ratings for Congress on the survey hit a new low of just 14 percent, a 12-point fall since January, when 26 percent approved the way Congress handles its job."
Putting a human face on the "debt ceiling". From The New Yorker 25 July www.newyorker.com/talk/comment/2011/07/25/110725taco_talk_packer.
According to official records there are 14.1 million "faces", unofficially many, many more.
Repub Rep. Doug Lamborn calls Obama a "tar baby"
That's where we're at folks. That's the mindset of alot of our so called "leaders". It should now be painfully obvious that those on the far right will do and say anything to undermine this president regardless of the effect on our country and it's citizens.
Thanks UpseDaisy. Good to hear from you.
I wouldn't say precisely that he called Obama a"tar baby".
Here is the quote. "Now I don't even want to have to be associated with [Obama], it's like touching a tar baby and you're stuck, you're part of the problem now. You can't get away."
I believe the fair connotation of his remark is that as a conservative Republican he should not get involved with Obama's programs because once started on that path he would be tainted by the doctrines involved.
Nevertheless he remains an insensitive ignoramus, many of whom are racist. Firstly he should have known that prominent members of his party have suffered the same criticism for the same gaffe. Secondly he should have known that though the original meaning of tar baby dealt with tactics, not race, the connotation has morphed today into a percieved slur.
The context was in regard to involvement with Obama, not what Obama is.
It would have been a somewhat similar situation had he said I don't even want to be associated with Obama because it is queer, then someone taking it to mean that he called Obama a queer.
We are going down, down, down. We can not move out of the trap we have set with the economic model that we pursue, by neglecting governmental stimulus during depression. It can not be done.
More on tar baby. http://www.randomhouse.com/wotd/index.pperl?date=19990212
What if at the turn of the twenty first century we had declared a new dawn. What if the federal government had hired all the young people of our nation who wanted a better job, who wanted a chance at a college education they could not afford, who wanted good health insurance, who wanted technical training, and what if the federal government did not exclude those who were highschool drop outs, or had minor criminal records? What if we had given the nation's youth all those things, including the promise of free further education when their work contract was fulfilled?
What if at the turn of the twenty first century we had trained them, and then deployed them to rebuild America. Deployed them to teach, and assist in teaching, to create art, music, and to build roads, parks, buildings, windmills, and solar panels. Deployed them to build hospitals, and to staff hospitals, and a myriad of other fulfilling, rewarding things.
Well we got half way there. We did hire all those youth with their declared desires. We gave them what they asked. We gave them free medical care, paid them as they trained for new jobs, promised them money for college, and other socialist frills.
Then we sent them all to war.
Can you imagine how much better this country would be today if we had not left the job half done?
No one complains when socialism is utilized as a tool to wage war. Most complain when socialism is utilized as a tool to build instead of blow up, when used to make instead of break. What is wrong with us?
Where's the Civility? The Vice President Calls Us "Terrorists"
Harry Reid Admits He's a Terrorist Hijacker of FAA Funding
"FACT: Senate leaders have chosen to protect political pork and outrageous subsidies of nearly $4,000 per ticket on the backs of 4,000 furloughed FAA employees."
So much for being about job creation.
Jonah Goldberg is tired of the vicious hypocrisy of these people
"Then last night. on the very day Gabby Giffords heroically returns to cast her first vote since that tragic attack six months ago, the Vice President of the United States calls the Republican Party a bunch of terrorists."
But does anyone care?
2 A wise man's heart directs him toward the right, but the foolish man's heart directs him toward the left. ---Ecclesiastes 10:2
The vice-president said nothing like that. When you post post links to Rush and the like you cannot and will not be taken seriously.
That's really funny coming from you wtf.
Wtf do you really think that any news source that you agree with would report this if they can help it. Personally I hope it is false but if it is true the hypocrisy and media bias may be worse than we think.
The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. government can't pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our government's reckless fiscal policies. ... Increasing America's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that 'the buck stops here.' Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better."
The words of a terrorist?
Read the story below to find out who said it'
Tea partiers not terrorists; they're realists
Biden Backpedals From Tea Party 'Terrorists' Comment
The Democrats are getting nasty but hey they had the power in the Senate to shut it down. If it is that bad why didn't they? If they are right wouldn't they be the hero? They could have presented their own plan with all the tax increases couldn't they?
Gal66 loved that article it seemed simple and to the point. I thought it interesting that the Democrats haven't proposed a budget in over 800 days and any of Obama's budgets were so bad even the Democrats couldn't vote for them. Interesting, very very interesting!
By all means let's get GOD and the GOP to solve our problems? But then again where have they been up to now? They had it for 8 years and gave us a hell of alot of the problems we're in as well. I'm sure they'll do a wonderful job. What have they doen for you lately?
If your horse were any higher you would need oxygen. Maybe that explains it. Oxygen deprivation.
Huffington Post Forced to Issue Retraction
Some staffers at the website, who were unable to reveal their names for fear of retribution, told FOX411 that they weren't surprised at the error.
"The goal of the site is aggregation, not news generation. We're chasing traffic and there isn't always time to make sure that everything is accurate," one staffer admitted. "We're really just a factory for links."
AOL bought the Huffington Post back in February for $315 million and placed Huffington Post founder Arianna Huffington in charge of the combined group's content. The new leadership resulted in the laying off of a network of seasoned journalists and the destruction of many of AOL's content sites, including the influential Politics Daily news site.
Politics Daily was to be "absorbed" into HuffPo Politics, but the merger instead resulted in the laying off of the site's political reporters, some of whom would have been in the White House briefing with O'Donnell and Carney.
"If the site still had actual reporters in Washington, they would have known that the tape wasn't doctored, but right now HuffPo is relying on other people's reporting," one former AOL political writer said. "Arianna doesn't believe in real reporting."
Breitbart celebrated his victory over the liberal website with a follow-up Tweet:
"Mr. Breitbart ACCEPTS @HuffPost apology/retraction for falsely claiming I 'doctored' video."
Hey wtf you might be on to something, you have been very flattering and full of good ideas lately. Thanks so much buddy.
News I have to ask what does that peer reviewed scientific evidence prove? That is all you believe isn't it?
Does anyone else see the irony of someone posting a dismissive comment about science on the internet and that it's also entirely possible it was done using a wireless device?
"Cutting spending will soon be said to have triggered an economic collapse. In just two days, we have a new Armageddon. They say all these spending cuts -- and there aren't any -- will lead to a downturn, as if we ever got out of the recession in the first place. Soon it'll be poor Obama has no choice but to raise taxes." -Rush
I'm surprised you put up with it news.
You know news what is really scary is Obama may be the best candidate they put up for the job.
rr3 you said. "You know news what is really scary is Obama may be the best candidate they put up for the job."
Do you mean by "they" the corporatocracy that essentially selects the candidates for both parties these days? Or, do you mean more generally, the Republican, and Democratic parties? If that is what you meant I am inclined to agree with you, and ain't it a shame that is the best America can do.
Why don't you run for president? Maybe you could have Jesus as your running mate?
I would say he is over qualified wouldn't you say? I mean after you created everything.
Oops I mean after he created everything.
I don't think it matters okr who puts up a candidate. There are good one's out there but will they ever win a nomination?
The Historical Lessons of Lower Tax Rates
I think it boils down to a spending problem more then a revenue problem. Uncertainty by this regime has businesses holding back because they don't want to invest then be punished for it. It has to be a balance of tax rates and less incentives to hide income but government also has to spend wisely to build confidence in the economy. Stop bailing out companies that need to go bankrupt. We may suffer some pain for a little while but it will be better in the end. As long as the government props them up then the pain will linger a lot longer.
Ten Myths About the Bush Tax Cuts
So Nana make your point. Are the facts incorrect?
Nana you still didn't tell me if the facts in the article are incorrect or not. The facts are either true or they are not and it doesn't matter what the source is. I know you hate all those people but we already know that.
Blame the Washington Bureaucracy for High Gas Prices
"Americans are paying more for gasoline today than they were six weeks ago when President Obama released 30 million barrels of oil from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve."
Hey news maybe it's the Tea Parties fault have you finally grown tired of blaming Bush? How funny!
News I think you are wrong it is still business as usual in Washington. The debt ceiling was increased where are the cuts? THERE AREN'T ANY!!!!!!! Why don't we put this blame where it needs to be squarely in Obama and the Democrats but hey I'm sure you can't see that looking through your rose colored glasses. And yea I know the Democrats and the lame stream media will do everything they can to get you to blame conservatives, Republicans, Tea Partiers, etc. and you know what it is working. You buy it hook, line and sinker. Congratulations!
rr3 calm down old fellow. There is enough heat outside with out boiling over inside. I don't want to see you go all apoplectic on us. ;)
You are chastising others for falling "hook, line and sinker?" for something?
Well, at least you observe the holy trinity. Hubris, Hyperbole and Hypocrisy.
News that was an outstanding plain language presentation of our economic dilemma. In my opinion any one that doesn't get it at this point, ain't never gonna get it. Those folks just flat do not have rationality on the menu for the mental table they set.
ND same for your presentation. In my opinion no one can rationally ignore those cold hard facts.
Which brings me to this question, why would a rational person even argue these FACTS with those who deny them? It seems to me that irrationality is a contagion, and perhaps it is best to subject it to quarantine. ;)
News I agree with you and I also agree that things are going to get worse. I said that before Obama got elected. Some of this should have been done years ago to correct the economy and it wouldn't have been so painful now. But when we see the writing on the wall what do you do? You have to bite the bullet so yes be prepared for inflation, high fuel prices, high food prices and the dominoe effect that has on other prices. I grew a large garden this year and have been canning and freezing anything I can. I started bicycling last year and figure if gas gets high enough I can bicycle for my 13 mile commute to work if I have to.
Wtf not chastising just stating a fact buddy. By your statement I don't think you understand what I believe.
One thing I don't understand news if this new legislation to increase the debt ceiling by over 2 trillion dollars then where are the cuts? If we truly made cuts wouldn't the debt ceiling stay the same or go down? Or is this just more government manipulation with the math?
rr3 good things you are doing. A slight upside to what we are beginning to go through is that it will stop our ridiculous quest for every new thing that comes down the pike, and is hawked endlessly in themass media. That part will probably be good for us.
I have been an advocate of simple living for over thirty years. Most folks thought it was bizzare, but more are coming around.
Glad you had a great garden. Mine burned up. I watered it as needed, but it could not stand incessant 100 plus temps, but that is another problem.
Obama is Bizzaro FDR.-David Sirota
I hope Obama has a primary challenger. If so that candidate will get my money, and time.
As a caucasian I can not use the N word in any context which is fine by me. To me it is vile, and demeaning to whomever is addressed by it in any context. Even that context wherein it is used lovingly by one black person to another, in a demonstration of solidarity it is still tainted. Despite the connotation of shared misery it remains disrespectful. That is just my opinion.
I am wondering if because I am white, I am also prohibited from using the word Tom as a descriptive of a black male who is subservient to white people with power? Be that as it may, I wonder even more why people of color have not began to use it as a pejorative in regard to Barak Obama?
He has bowed, and scraped over, and over to the corporate powers (mostly white males). He advocated bailing them out when in trouble. He did not stand firm regarding taxation of the rich, in fact he has markedly not ever gone against them with emphasis. He has allowed them to have everything that they want. On the other hand he has promoted, and signed off on a budget agreement of which the burden rests only on the backs of the middle class, and even more disproportionately on the backs of the poor.
Unfortunately it is fact that a large portion of the people of color are among the poor. In fact, the case can be made that black Americans suffer more from our economic downturn, and this budget agreement than any other group. In fact, it is at the least arguable that Obama has given every thing desired by the white powerful elite, at the greatest expense to the African American community.
The real question in the end is not whether or, not I may call Barak Obama a Tom. It is why aren't African Americans calling him Tom? If things do not change he may hear that epitaph ringing in his ears as he is driven from office.
Properly chastised (doubly so) I have to admit I didn't do a very good job of expressing my point. News I have heard the N word used in the connotations I referenced by Af-Ams and noted the a sound at the end. I am not short of black acquaintances. I was not aware it was spelled differently.
ND, in short, Obama is not a Tom to me, but I think Af-Ams have a different perspective, perhaps even earned ownership of the word, and the terms of its use. I would call all three Prezs corporatist pigs. I would like to see more pressure come from the African American voting block.
I am concerned that they are the other constituentcy that put him into office (along with progressive populists) whose concerns have been ignored.
Beyond that, sorry folks, sometimes I talk about things that aren't talked about. Perhaps it is my insensitivity, but I think it as much other's special sensitivity to certain subjects.
Sounds like 'We the people'(that voted for Obama) got fooled by voting for him the first time. I predict this next election will be no different because even if you vote for a third party it will be the same as a vote for Obama. I am not in a hurry to get excited about 2012 just yet because I am not sure any candidate can out campaign Obama. It won't matter what condition we are in the lame stream media will spin him right back in office. If you think the first term was bad just double down on what we already have I can't imagine what it would be like.
I hear Obama had a big birthday party at the White House last night after the stock market took a dump, over $1 trillion in assets lost. Can we even believe the unemployment numbers? If the job force was as large now as when Obama took office unemployment would be over 11%. That's where the media would report it if a Republican was in office. Real unemployment is probably closer to 20%. Why is the job force not as large, because they have destroyed it. I guess we could call him Emperor Obama because he don't care folks. All these economic numbers are bad but the media is trying to tell us it is good. It ought to be an insult to your intelligence. Like the comedian Bill Engvall says, "there is some things you can't fix" and "here's your sign". Carry it proudly.
John Kerry tells the media to ignore the Tea Party they are nothing and Obama still thinks unemployment benefits creat jobs. I hate to tell him this but it's not working. Who voted for these guys anyway.
So what is so wrong with that Nana? Obama met with terrorist did you have a problem with that?
Take your pick.
I didn't figure you could make a decision.
One other thing, and I will let this subject go for now. I believe that from early in our human development we became instinctually tribal as a survival mechanism. Tribalism remains within each of us at our very core.
Tribalism manifests itself in many ways in our world even today. Among The more overt are those such as the middle eastern loyalty to tribe above all which shapes all that occurs there, and the tragic, savage, tribally generated genocidal wars in Africa, and elsewhere. There are more subtle manifestations of tribalistic instinct, from the current world wide strife over immigration, to racism in this country, and elsewhere.
I believe that until we admit this original instinct individually, and as a species, and realize that this instinct must be considered as a part of nearly every conflict that occurs, we can not successfully resolve any of those conflicts.
As is the case with some other of our baser instincts we must realize that they are largely relics, and rise above them. To deny them is counter-productive.
Insulting Christians ok but terrorist no way? Is that what you're saying? If you are insulted then say so. No whining zone!
I don't have one but it sounded like you did.
"From Greece to California, the liberal dream is dead."
Thank you for the info Nana but I really wish you had a point about content. Thanks anyway
Do you really think the whole world would consume according to population. Does that mean we cut food production so we just feed our 7%? If we only consume our fair share should we produce more then we need? Only if we lived in a bubble. How ludicrous would that be.
To say we use 30% of the world's resources one would have to assume that our resources are maxed out. I don't think so. One of our problems is our government that hinders production therefore driving up the cost. I don't think this world will ever run out of resources because if we run out of one thing, we will come up with something else to use. We always have and I don't think we will die off because of lack of resources.
16 Reasons Why The United States Can No Longer Afford To Be The Police Of The World
This puts it in perspective.
Those wondering if China might come to the rescue will think differently after reading The Telegraph's take on the reaction of the Chinese. www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/8684245/China
China Building Electromagnetic Pulse Weapons For Use Against U.S. Carriers
rr3 enjoyed the sixteen reasons post. There were only about three lines with which I disagreed. That is a sea change. ;)
"What Happened To Obama?"-NYT http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/07/opinion/sunday/what-happened-to-obamas-passion...
Yes, I know some of you will say stop beating a dead horse. In response I say it is better to beat a dead horse, than to be forced to vote for one in 2012.
If we are forced to that choice, and it does appear to have more than a remote chance of happening, an old Democrat saying, I would rather vote for a yellow dog running on the Democratic ticket, than any one on the Republican ticket, will be updated. We will be forced to realize, and say, I would rather vote for a dead horse than the Republican candidate. ;)
I don't think she will do it News, unless she does it a la Bobby Kennedy who jumped in the water after Eugene McCarthy broke the ice.
It is a long time until New Hampshire, there may be room, and national mood for an upstart Democratic candidate by then.
My own thought is that if there were ever a time for a third party ticket of true independents it is now. I have good vibes about a Bernie Sanders, Lincoln Chafee ticket. They would change the dynamic in Iowa, and New Hampshire.
Incidentally Lincoln Chafee was the only Republican Senator to show the good sense, and guts to vote against the Iraq War resolution. He became an indendent after that. Bernie, long time independent, we know about him, always the people's candidate.
Iran's rich eat ice cream covered in gold as poor struggle to survive
The similarities of Ahmadinejad and Obama are scary.
Obama led our nation to unprecidented new Hopes and Changes.... he is the FIRST President to preside over a reduction in our credit rating.... YAY Obama..
He had THREE years to overcome Bush's so called obstacles that he supposedly inherited... IF Obama can blame Bush for all that is wrong and take none of the blame then I Can blame Obama for the ENTIRE financial debacle that has take place UNDER HIS WATCH
Comments from some evil conservative racists... lol (Read the article and find out who wrote it to figure out the "racist" joke)
But news you keep defending and voting for the very people that put us in this mess. I'm glad you finally saw the light about Obama so there is still hope. Have a good day.
rr3 how can you say that News keeps defending those you mention? Over, and over he has said throw all the rascals out, and that he intends to vote third party. Where does your disconnect come from?
Nana is it any different then what is happening in America on Obama's watch?
I know in the past okr that a third party vote usually favors the Democrat. So I don't see the difference. I wish we could get enough interest in voting for someone that is not Democrat or Republican. I would also like to see a larger voter turn out. But really it all plays into the hands of the Democrats and their plan. Have the majority of people dependent on the government, so there is an outcry if someone tries to cut any of it. Encourage a third party candidate when the competition is tough, hoping it will pull votes away from the competition. And spend other people's money, while complaining it is never enough and it is all the fault of the Republicans. Sound familiar?
Gore v. Bush, enter Ralph Nader, exit Gore. Don't think you are correct that third party candidates help the Democrats.
Didn't say it was 100% okr sometimes when you gamble you lose.
Democrats Back Third Parties to Siphon Votes
I thought you were talking presidential politics effected by third party candidates rr3 (George Wallace, and Strom Thurmond come to mind as two more that benefited Republicans).
Regarding congressional campaigns I'll have to think about that some more, though my initial thought is that both parties have benefited from third party candidates in congressional elections.
One other thing about third party candidates is that on the congressionallevel they at times have a fighting chance, unlike presidential politics.
I too am looking for good third party candidates. I agree our two party system is in grid lock, and is failing us.
Nana you sure sound like you are describing Obama.
Yes news it is!
It's a trap Nana that's what they want you to believe. Guess what it's working. You still believe this after Obama has spent more then all of the past presidents. Oh and ruined our credit rating too on his watch. That's funny.
We need a leader that leads, not blame their mess on someone else. But hey as long as they got followers then it will never end. So Nana it's rah rah Obama?
That's right Nana you got it. Hip Hip Hooray!!!!
The unions spent $35 million in Wisconsin and the Republicans still control the Senate. The voters of Wisconsin stopped a union take over.
Oh and don't forget to watch Al Sharpton on PMSNBC. Hoorah!
"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." --Margaret Thatcher
That statement doesn't even make sense Nana.
The unions outspent them all and still lost what do you make of that?
As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice.
As soon as by one's own propaganda even a glimpse of right on the other side is admitted, the cause for doubting one's own right is laid.
He alone, who owns the youth, gains the future
I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator.
It is always more difficult to fight against faith than against knowledge.
Sooner will a camel pass through a needle's eye than a great man be "discovered" by an election.
Success is the sole earthly judge of right and wrong.
The doom of a nation can be averted only by a storm of flowing passion, but only those who are passionate themselves can arouse passion in others.
The great masses of the people will more easily fall victims to a big lie than to a small one.
The very first essential for success is a perpetually constant and regular employment of violence.
Who says I am not under the special protection of God?
What good fortune for governments that the people do not think.
The preceding are all quotes from one individual.
Win or lose they still control the Senate that's what matters.
Oh by the way have you become a Christian too. While you are patronizing I just thought I would ask. I mean you wouldn't want to leave anybody out would you?
Correct on the quotes News.
If Mitt Romney has the powers to magically create jobs, why does he have to wait to be president to do it? He's extorting us.
I take it your support of Bachman is just a place holder until Palin steps in the race?
Anyone see FOX news tonite? People actually listen to that BS. They should just change FOX to GOP. Then again, that might actually be the only truthful thing they have ever done.
I understand what you are saying. Problem is people are so knee-jerk reactive anymore that she's libel to win. I think we also owe a debt of gratitude to Tina Fey. Without her it's possible that Palin could be vice-president right now.
You Know The Left Truly Fears a GOP Candidate When...
"The second a leftist fears a Conservative politician; they immediately whip out either the race card or the class warfare card."
Seems that when the left report something facts don't matter but if the right even makes a mistake they are all over it. Wonder why that is? Go ahead liberals twist away.
Striking Union Extremists Imprison Verizon Replacement Workers In Pennsylvania
Way to go unions.
Oh I believe you news but does it call for that kind of action?
QUESTION: Is there any reason Obama couldn't appoint these People like Elizabeth Warren to the Consumer Protection Agency? There are other agencies Open for appointments also! They are out on recess,right? Or am i wrong? Another thing,is Obama satisfied going down in History as the first Black President,and don't want another term? He isn't tough enough for the hard stuff,do you think?
Mitt Romney only buys corporations and sells them off ! Gets rid of Jobs and makes Millions for him self! He has a history of that if you look it up!
Right on both counts Jo. No surprise there.
Apparently we are a country that still cares about anything Sarah Palin has to say. We are so screwed.
With the people we have in Washington there is NO such thing as Reasonable Negotiations, their all insane! We are at the point in our History were we have been bought and paid for buy the very rich, and nothing is going to change that now but the people to get Radical! I think they have total control of the Majorities Minds,Dem or Rep! They have most of the Populations minds conditioned to except any nonsense they put out! Matter of fact i'm almost tired of trying to keep up with all of it,it insane!It seems as though the Majority don't want a better life! I think our Government ,(over the Years) has made the young American People so passive,with all the Laws they wouldn't rebel against anything they would to them! That's a sad fact as far as i'm concerned! They need an Army of People in their Face, ready to break it! I really think thats all they would understand!???
How the Head of Fox News Is Making Americans More Right-Wing, More Ignorant and Ever More Terrified!
Roger Ailes is a jerk but he's a smart jerk. Everything on the FOX channel is tailor made for the gullible.
Tailor made for the religious types. He knows they will committ to something 100% regardless of facts and they will keep coming back for more which means revenue. We are now in a full blown "idiocracy".
That's funny wtf I always thought that about the liberals and the lame stream media. How did you know what I was thinking?
I'm not surprised you believe what FOX tells you. I'll take science and any other news organization over anything that FOX or the bible has to say.
With school just starting up again.
A Speech Every American High School Principal Should Give
"If every school principal gave this speech at the beginning of the next school year, America would be a better place."
Ag Secretary: Food Stamps are 'Stimulus'
I guess we just need everybody on unemployment! Yeehaw!!
Evergreen Solar files for bankruptcy, plans asset sale
Obamas green energy plan goes up in smoke. It was probably a sham anyway.
Were almost there rr3! Give these fools another try, without doing or saying anything, and we'll get there!
I agree Jo if you like the direction of our country right now KEEP VOTING DEMOCRAT! And hang on to your seat!
Now Obama announces that by Labor Day he will introduce a jobs and deficit reduction bill. Well la de da! Has anything this President proposed worked?
That's ok Nana after Obama our lifestyle will be low enough we will be able to compete with China's slave labor. It's coming to a factory near you.
I will rr3,because what we have now is the lesser of two evils! I think the sane People See's it that way.It's like playing Football the Quarterback can't win by himself. It will be that way until the system is changed,whoever is the Leader. And that's not going to happen until the people take back control! When People See's that our Career Politicians is there to screw us,and not make things better! Term limits on all Public Officials,and a few other things. They think their Kings,not Public officials! Put some of their Pay and Benefits on the line too! Tell me would anyone get the kind of care that (SOB) Cheney is getting? Our life is just as valuable as any of theirs. Million's of people barely get care!!They get all this for life,in or out of Office! "O" and by the way Cheney and the rest of his crew should be in Jail for Treason, has everyone already forgot that? They have to much control over our Voting also,a lot of thing has to be changed! Don't everyone see this,or do you care??? I'm a dumb *** and i see it!!
Is that another one of those things you cannot prove and have no evidence news. Except anything you want to accept to support your argument. Nothing about climate change has been proven just theory you know kind of like evolution mate.
Sounds like you are preaching someone's religion Nana you are getting the amen's.
Liberals Aren't Funny, They're a Riot!
"When blacks were only four generations out of slavery, their illegitimacy rate was about 23 percent (lower than the white illegitimacy rate is now). Then Democrats decided to help them! Barely two generations since LBJ's Great Society programs began, the black illegitimacy rate has tripled to 72 percent."
"Liberals love mobs because rioting and anarchy is their path to power."
"Liberals promote welfare dependency, class warfare, endless government programs staffed with public sector workers, street protests, coddling criminals and physical attacks on their ideological opponents. This is how they create reliable Democratic voters."
rr3 I am consistently entertained by your growing list of new things that you blame on liberals.
I would be surprised if your reaction when you step on sidewalk gum is anything other than muttering "darn liberals".
It is always tribal in the middle east. Ten years of war there, on top of hundreds of years of illustrative history, and we still don't get it?
Okr you really are a riot!
"Public sector unions are a Democrat Party money laundering scheme. Tell me why somebody on your street should pay you twice what he earns and then promise you health care and salary for the rest of your life after you quit working?" -Rush
Muslims denounce bill to ban 'foreign laws'
"It's racism at its core."
I don't know news I don't have any scientific evidence of that just your accusation.
The Cost of Compromise
"Americans need to realize that Obama and the left are the poison."
Wow news you are easy to tweak.
Our prison walls are too high to look over, moan terror suspects
And liberals listen to them!!!!!!
Rick Perry and Islam
It appears to me that the United States, a young pup of a nation, at a bit over two centuries old, is prematurely aged. For some reason, or reasons, we must be dragged kicking, and screaming, into the twenty first century. How ironic it is that China, the ancient of the east is way out in front in the march to modernity.
While we sanctify, and subsidize our treasured heirlooms; oil, coal, and nuclear power, China is casting them aside. Consequently they are running way out in front on the things that keep nations running. They are light years ahead of us on solar power. They are making governmental predictions that in just a few years the cost of their solar power will be at an equal cost with coal power. The growth of their solar power industry can only be described as explosive. Meanwhile our own dim efforts regarding solar power result in the failure of start up companies starved for capital.
Sadly in a few years we may be sitting in the dark, the only thing rocking being our chairs, as we sigh, and say they have so much more energy than we.
Jon Stewart was absolutely brilliant last night. Well worth the watch by either side if you can find it someplace.
No news they only charge that against conservatives when they want to cut any free entitlement programs.
But news unemployment and food stamps grow the economy. Haven't you heard?
Well Nana I hate to break this to you but the health insurance crisis will only get worse with Obamacare. Did you know after you reach 73 years old they will no longer treat you for cancer under Obamacare? You know the bill we had to pass to see what was in it. Well facts are being uncovered and it is not good.
Obama to Propose New Stimulus in Lame Attempt to Set Up Campaign
The perfect set up to blame the Republicans that if they would have passed it then it would have saved us. Baloney! Typical liberal strategy to try to pass something you know your opponent is against and then claim victory when it fails. Brilliant! And somebody voted for these knotheads.
Let's Talk About Fairness
"Taxes are like a cancer out there. And the idea that we are not paying our fair share is so absurd. The problem is, or the fault is the irresponsibility of the people managing all of it."
Why is it when the president and congress, past and the present run up bills we can't pay, it is always some one's fault except their own?
"The Democrat Party dumbs people down, keeps them stupid, poor, dependent, all in the name of compassion. It's one of the most amazing hoaxes and frauds that's ever been achieved, and they've been getting away with it for 50 years."--Rush
You quote Limbaugh as if he's somebody special.
You seem like an intelligent person yet you consistently let others do the thinking for you.
Do you really think Rush cares about you? He cares about your wallet. He's a preacher, a charlatan, a snake oil salesman. He's an embarrassment to the State of Missouri.
Obama Will Run on How Good His Record Would Have
Been If Not for Those Obstructionist Republicans
I wonder if he will tour all 57 states this time.
How do you expect anyone to take you seriously?
Correction wtf, not really!
I think you were right the first time.
Big Pusher/Big Pharma has flooded the U. S. market with "Oxy" to the point that some is being smuggled to Mexico!
Don't hold your breath until the truly big manufacturers, and dealers are arrested. Instead we subsidize them.
The Islamic Political Takeover of America
Liberals may be the least of our problems.
I read your Muslim take over link rr3. It convinced me...that the life blood of the fundamentalist religio-politico movement is irrational fear. ;)
...and poeple wonder how religion can possibly cause any problems.
When terrorists are merely 'irrational'
"So exactly how desperate are the Taliban?"
Big Government or Death
"Besides forcing citizens to rely on government as the only source for their medical care, congressmen also love to force physicians to become, in effect, public employee unions that crawl hat-in-hand to lobby for adequate reimbursement. We must eliminate the annual ritual by which Congress votes to temporarily delay severe cuts in Medicare reimbursements to physicians and other health care providers to levels below their costs."
The High Cost of Washington's Price Manipulation Policy
Maybe we need to get the government out of the business.
By golly I think she's got it!
I'm with Nana! Were would this Country be without big Government? Would you feel safe? Dog eat Dog!
Why no outrage over big religion? Do you think they don't wield any power? The have power becuase they have money, tax exempt money by the way.
Your're right. They are the "Wizard of OZ" , so speak. Puppeteers.
I don't know News...what you said, is to me, sounding more, and more like whistling as we pass the grave yard. We have so many problems, so many problems.
Riding a Bus to Save One Job
"Our unpopular president, who faces an all-time low approval rating of 39 percent, came off the road show looking particularly desperate to save his own job regardless of the cost to overburdened taxpayers."
This is what is really sad but to some he can do no wrong even when everything is wrong.
You know Obama said look at the problems I inherited from the previous administration. Didn't he also inherit a AAA credit rating?
Who would you like to see as president?
News , Okla, or nana,could you guys tell me why Obama could not have Appointed Elizabeth Warren during this Recess? Hell the Republicans did it several times,didn't they, with some of their appointees?
Is this an example of the best and the brightest that America has to offer?
Obama to farmer: 'Call the USDA.'
Big government at its best.
We need someone with leadership, is there anyone out there that is not bought and paid for?
Union Ain't Wanted: The UAW's Bad Week...
The government are not the only one's chasing manufacturing jobs out of the country. Wonder how them unions jobs are working out for the people that no longer have one? Hmmmmm!
Verizon Strikers Head Back to Work Without New Agreement
Just before they would have to start paying workers out of their own coffers. Interesting
NanaDot said to rr
a my way or the highway kinda place. So please - go do that.
NanaDot how is that any different that what you want?
Here is how I see it all groups (Dems, Repubs, Indpends, Socialist, liberals, conservatives and any others you want to add) want a my way or the high way kinda place!!!
That is the problem until we ALL go back to what we lernt in kindergarten you know (how to get along with others) we are in a hell of a mess!!!!!!!!!!!!
One more thing we need to do. We need to quit electing frickin' lawyers to congress!
Our congress is lousy with millionaire lawyers.
Right now we are running from ditch to ditch. We need to get back in the middle again.
We need a better cross section of America from all different professions to represent us.
Thanks Nana and News! Yes Nana there is a lot of good Idea's out there,it's getting them implemented! Seems the Rep.know Parliamentary Procedure better then the Dem.Or the Dem. don't use them! Thanks Again.
You're right about the money but the only people that can change that is congress. catch 22
Senator Bernie Sanders demands enforcement of a law that is on the books that limits oil speculators. The Obama Administration has failed to enforce the law. http://blog.buzzflash.com/node/12965
The controversial Wisconsin budget reform saves teachers' jobs
We find conservatism works when not watered down by liberal policies. Capitalism works when it is not hindered by government regulations or unions. They are actually able to lower property taxes in some districts. And still saved teachers jobs. The unions were going for the layoffs it wasn't about saving jobs to them. When will you people wake up to the liberal lies about conservatism and capitalism. Also people can govern themselves better then the federal government it has been proven time and time again. Don't you just love positive outcomes like this. I do.
They would have never been able to negotiate this with the union. They would have lost more jobs and still been bankrupt.
On the issue of global warming. Shouldn't we be just a little alarmed that we have armadillo's in mid Missouri?
What The New Left and Islam Have in Common
Support the left or Islam you are aiding and abetting the enemy.
They are kind of cute wtf.
That's pretty amazing wtf that you believe in global warming on faith but you don't believe the bible. Just an observation that's all.
Richard Lindzen: A Modern Day Galileo on Climate
"There's not much evidence about the behavior of these climate models."
"The climate is always changing. It's natural variability."
A lot of assumptions have to be made to make it work.
WTF finally you in Missouri have available an old delicacy, one that has long been delicious to starving homeless Okies. Here is just one hard times recipe.
Take one armadillo by the tail.
Flip him upside down on hot pavement (100 degree temperatures, and upwards).
Hold that sucker there until it stops kicking.
Leave it all afternoon and catch some shade in an alley. While you are resting sharpen a spoon on an alley brick.
When the sun gets down, just go back, and dig in.
Times get even harder for the homeless when hitch hiking the bumpy road. That is why most of the old pros keep a sharpened spoon with them as they walk the road of diminishing opportunity.
You know you're a Tea Party member if...http://www.ostroyreport.com/2011/08/you-know-youre-tea-bagger-if.html
Sorry about the link. http://www.ostroyreport.com/2011/08/you-know-youre-tea-bagger-if.html
You might be a liberal if ...
Now we know it is true, liberals are a riot.
"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell
ND Were you referencing "armadillo" or Tea Party"?
To me they both ring true, "Armadillo" being the darker, more bitter truth.
With increasing food shortages aggravated by climate change we may not be that far off from road kill becoming a regular part of the diet for far too many. I reckon we would get used to it. It becomes a lot less revolting when seasoned by necessity. It wouldn't be a surprising cultural adaption.
Heck we find it revolting that dogs, frogs, bugs, and grasshoppers are scarfed down in many cultures. Yet we love to eat bee vomit.
Inside many liberals is a totalitarian screaming to get out. They don't like to have another point of view in the room that they don't squash and the way they try to squash it is by character assassination and name calling. -- David Horowitz
Do you possess the capacity to form any of your own thoughts? I'm just asking as you seem to just parrot those of others. In regards to global warming and armadillos this far north, fact trumps faith any day of the week and twice on sunday.
Sounds like character assassination to me.
Stupidity is a luxury and you will find time and time and time and again that those who are overwhelmingly on the left are those who can afford to be. -- Evan Sayet
Over 13,200 killed by terrorists in 11,500 attacks: State Department
Maybe if we would quit trying to talk to these people and treat it like we did WWII. Pull the troops out nuke the place THE END!!
I appreciate the sentiment news but do you really think any member of Congress has the kahonies to even mention impeachment? I don't think it is remotely possible even in the next four years.
Just which countries are you itching to nuke rr3?
Congratulations News. In my opinion grand kids are a joy.
This one will make your blood boil. More evidence that Obama is a pawn of the plutocrats.
Obama's Job-Killing NLRB Strikes Again! ALL Employers Must Post Union Notices
This is announced the same week Obama claims to make an effort to scale back burdensome rules on small businesses. I guess that is no different then giving us all this debt and then saying we need to be fiscally responsible.
Democrats are now blaming natural disasters for the poor economy. Let's see they have blamed Bush, the Tea Party, the Republicans, now natural disasters? Hey I got an idea let's blame the DEMOCRATS I mean who's left?
I would hate to see it come to that news but by nuking Japan we effectively ended WWII. I wonder would we still be fighting in today if that hadn't happened? I believe that the only way to end this war on terror is to step up the game and deliver such a devastating blow to them that they no longer want to fight back. That's how you defeat your enemy. All this feel good and can't we all get along is not cutting it.
I am still interested in hearing which countries you are eager to nuke rr3? Do I get an answer?
rr3 I find that our proposals are often mirror images of each other's suggestions. Thus, in regard to the current thread I counter-propose that instead of nuking nations out of existence we do away with all the nuclear devices in the world.
Now I know that suggestion only carries the thrust of a simple agnostic, and is in no way inspired by God, new testament, or old testament as are all your proposals. Still this old godless person believes it to be better to destroy thousands of weapons of mass destruction than millions of people.
I am glad that I have absolutely no belief in your god, or I would be scared to death right now for my blasphemous thought, and suggestion.
It's going to be interesting how many had right Conservatives will be getting our Money, to fix up their seaside homes after this Storm go's through,don't you think? See what they think of Big Government then! It would go a long way too help our School's!
when drowning a person will scramble for air with all his might. when starving a man will fight for food. when thirsty people go looking for water. so how come when our country is in dire need of young hard working educated people we slash education funding and get boys and girls killed in wars overseas?
its like the old saying about how a man is very smart but a 1000 people together are all idiots. in this case its about 535 idiots in congress.
I would like to know how many of those in favor of multiple nuclear attacks by our military, feel so, at least partially, because it would be an Armageddon prompt.
Note that I said feel, not think.
I also wonder how they can concieve positive feelings about favoring anything that undoubtably, at the least, will result in the agonizing death of millions of people. I further wonder how they can feel that they can join any just god in Heaven, when harboring such emotions.
Yes Nana I am SERIOUS? REALLY? Obama has been the most fiscally irresponsible president to date so let's blame for his own failures for once instead of some dead guy.
Still waiting to hear how president rr3yvo is gonna fix everything. Does it involve wating on a "god"?
Sorry, it should read "waiting."
Seen on a billboard....
If you voted for our current president in 2008 to prove you weren't a racist, please vote for someone else in 2012 to prove you're not and idiot.
Thank you......Concerned Citizens of America
Wow Nana you gotta quit drinkin that kool-aid.
In the news,
-Today both the Republicans and Democrats move closer to raising the debt ceiling to remedy America's financial predicament.....
-In other news, blood alcohol levels will be raised to solve drunk driving.....
Now there's a solution!
No Class: Vandals, Union Protesters Disrupt Successful Choice School
"The Left and the perpetually offended, who despite spending millions of dollars in national money have been losers now in several consecutive elections and policy debates in Wisconsin, must resort to civil disturbances, vandalism and thuggery."
Funny that no consideration is given of the protesters toward the children. Are we being a good example? I know the kids were.
Wisconsin union reforms an early success
How come this is not all over the news. I guess they have to create their negative spin on the early success before it will really be news. If you don't like success then keep voting Democrat and support those unions.
When you have a Government that lies and takes thing out of Context, has NO respect for Science and their expertise, how can you believe any of them? Some can take an obvious lie and make the People believe it! Thats why i have NO hope for this Country anymore.You can't believe that our Elections are Honest!When the American People wake up,then maybe we can have hope again. But that seems impossible.I know everyone's not going to think the same way about anything,but at least debate with the facts,not insane, Religious double talk! I have nothing but disdain for Politicians,and most Attorneys! I don't know that a third Party would be any better but it can't hurt!
Republicans against science? Anti-intellectual?
No doubt about it my mind. In my opinion the Republican Party is controlled by their fringe right wing. It is a recipe for political disaster. Even the complacent under-informed middle of the road majority will not stand for that.
So, one of them wins the Republican primary denying human causes of climate change, established principles of biology and economics, and the theory of evolution. Then he is trapped, glued to a wall of ignorance, or hypocrisy, perhaps both, which will be highlighted by futile attempts to squirm free from it, and move to the middle. The masses in the middle who vote are not entirely blind will observe the sad scenario, and in disgust, either will not vote, or vote for Obama who is nearer the middle of the road.
All bets are off if some how a strong third party candidate emerges. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/29/opinion/republicans-against-science.html?_r=2&...
Okr can a theory be an established principle?
The thought occurs to me that it is important to understand, when one endeavors to travel the middle of the road, whether one is in the middle of the high road, or the low road.
Some Big Lies of Science
They will get you to believe whatever they can fool you into believing. When one doesn't work they try something else so a few years from now we will have something else to fear. Interesting verrry, verrry interesting!
Definitions: established principle
established: thriving: started or set up long enough ago and sufficiently successful to suggest likely continuation or permanence. successful: having gained public recognition in a sphere of activity
principle: basic assumption: an important underlying law or assumption required in a system of thought
News is that why they leave dead bodies all over the world in the name of Allah? If you believe it is propaganda then you are aiding and abetting the enemy. Just look at the list.
Yes nana and yes they do count.
Are Muslims officially our enemy now?
No Islam is.
How did everyone spend all the money they saved on gas as a result of Obama releasing all that oil from the Reserve? Just wonderin'
saying islam is our enemy Is not only false but irresponlible and kinda inflamatory. I cant believe our local paper would allow such a comment to be posted and remain for so long makng us all look like a bunch of ignorant country bumpkins who just believe whatever the FOX network tells us what is "American" and what to believe.
Looks like you fell right in to that statement. I almost feel bad for setting you up but I'm sure I'll get over it.
So BFG you don't like the truth?
And you wonder why people have a problem with religion. All religions.
LOL Cheetah my wife, and I had one of our rare political disagreements on the Freedman issue. It has been roiling for years, the Freedman issue, not our debate. ;) I believe they should retain tribal rights. She does not. By the way her opinion is not racially motivated. She has been a card carrying member of the NAACP for thirty years.
It is a close issue. A couple of years ago, we argued it off, and on for a couple of days. To avoid killing each other we agreed to put our arguments in writing. We did, neither budged. I am not going to mention that you brought up the topic on the blog. I don't want to "discuss" it anymore.
rr3 your statement that Islam is our enemy is incorrect. What is likely correct is that Islam is your enemy. Rather grandiose of you to state Islam is OUR enemy don't you think? ;)
Not at all okr.
Islam is not my enemy rr3. You stating it is so does not make it so. Who do you think you are Allah, or somebody? ;)
Algore: If You Oppose Global Warming, You're Racist.
"We have to win the conversation on climate"
Here all along I thought it was supposed to be about facts!
President Obama has Tour Buses Flown to Stump Speeches
What better way to spend our money?
What is your stance on global warming?
Oh ok old Al didn't say that. Reminds me of a bumper sticker on a car delivering newspapers. "I don't believe the liberal media". Pretty much says it all.
rr3yvo I have no problem what so ever with the truth. i just dont hear it as much as I would like. you may have ememys who are from countries where Islam is the most dominant religion. or enemys who are Muslim but to generalize an entire religious/cultural/geographical area as bad, evil, homogenous and all your is simply silly.
1) nobody has the time to meet all of the humans you propose going to war with. 2) much less to make assessments like good versus evil
How do you starve an Obama supporter?
Hide his food stamps under his work boots.
Yeh but BFG we don't have to let them in the front door.
It is really silly not to acknowledge the dangers inside our own borders.
Even though I suspected as much, your last few post's have said volumes about you. BTW, very christian of you as well.
Thank you wtf all your compliments are appreciated.
Why not just lock the door?
Expensive massages, top shelf vodka and five-star hotels: First Lady accused of spending $10m in public money on her vacations
Now who is sticking it to the working class?
Hey Nana I have seen some of you reference the Enquirer as legitimate news source. So hey whats good for the goose......
I find amazing that the liberals are all experts on legitimate sources. Is there a school for that?
If that story was about Laura Bush I bet you would believe it.
Yes it was.
Limbaugh: Colin Powell Will Vote For Obama Again Because 'Melanin Is Thicker Than Water' If this isnt race baiting for White people I dont know what is.
Would that be any different then people that vote Democrat no matter who the candidate is?
Interesting take on the state of Europe and UK...interesting that the Euro took the economy status and interest rate of the BEST economy and tried to make it fit the economies of ALL the nations in the Euro
Interesting take on the failure of Mass. Mandatory health care system adn how they pushed THEIR costs onto the taxpayers of the ENTIRE nation.
Green jobs go away.... specifically ones that Obama touted and the Fed govt funded
Sad effects of the stimulus that they wont tell you...only less than half of "jobs" stimulated were actual new jobs the rest were job swaps "Poached jobs"
God love the Unions... God love the labor movement... too bad they HATE freedom of speech and a quality and open debate or discussion....
Finally... a prayer that ANY conservative Christian can honestly use while praying for this disaster of a President... Pray for Obama. Psalm 109:8
I kinda feel sorry for the atheist, when they die, they get all dressed up with nowhere to go!
Rabid Dog Briefly Mistaken for Tea Party Candidate
Receives Stnding Ovation at Missouri Rally
nanadot... the Point was that Labor is not something that is something that belongs to the left and to the "Unionization labor" movement.
Nanadot, ACORN and its reworked, renamed organizations and the Unions and the "community organizer in Chief" are rewriting just as many voting laws and our Dept of Justice willfully and racially ignores voter intimidation.... which has the effect of diminishing laws if not changing them in practice.
If I took a group of 3 or four of the biggest redneck white guys into an area with mostly minority voters all holding clubs, yelling racial slurs, and in general intimidating people at the door of the election facility, all you liberals wold be crying for their heads......
Eric Holder's unprofessional racist statement regarding the black panther voter intimidation case.
"The Attorney General seemed to take personal offense at a comment Culberson read in which former Democratic activist Bartle Bull called the incident the most serious act of voter intimidation he had witnessed in his career.
"Think about that," Holder said. "When you compare what people endured in the South in the 60s to try to get the right to vote for African Americans, and to compare what people were subjected to there to what happened in Philadelphia--which was inappropriate, certainly that...to describe it in those terms I think does a great disservice to people who put their lives on the line, who risked all, for my people," said Holder, who is black."
"To compare that kind of courage, that kind of action, and to say that the Black Panther incident wrong thought it might be somehow is greater in magnitude or is of greater concern to us, historically, I think just flies in the face of history and the facts.," Holder said with evident exasperation.
News... funny that you call Tea partiers Unamerican... hypocrisy at its best... if you cannot handle oppsoing and differeing opinions and debate without resorting to that tactic, the favored tactic of the left, to call the right racists, terrorists, unamerican and etc then you should quit trying to have conversations..... LOL
I nkow... all those military men and womend who are Conservative, anti-Obama, Anti-liberalism, anti big government are UnAmerican right???
...and Dick Cheney should be in prison.
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