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Speak Out May 1 to June 1, 2011

Sunday, May 1, 2011

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Sorry to say Cheesehead that the Fox hack job appears to be a fake. http://www.mediaite.com/tv/did-fox-news-...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, May 31, 2011, at 11:36 PM

Fox News Ticker Gets Hacked in New York. They have to be very upset with this one. Check out the video!

http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews/art...

-- Posted by cheesehead on Tue, May 31, 2011, at 11:52 AM

That was fun Upsedaisy. Now I want to know if any one has wandered over to the Jim statue from a nearby tavern on Saturday night, and tried to command Jim to sit. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, May 31, 2011, at 11:16 AM

upsedaisy that was great, I would love to see how my dof would react.

-- Posted by Gal66 on Tue, May 31, 2011, at 7:40 AM

Wanted to share this with the hometown of Jim the Wonder Dog.

http://www.wimp.com/throwstick/

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Mon, May 30, 2011, at 11:28 PM

Germany will close all their nuclear plants by 2022. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/31/world/...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, May 30, 2011, at 8:16 PM

Post 9/11 vets hit hard by recession. http://lifeinc.today.com/_news/2011/05/3...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, May 30, 2011, at 7:40 PM

Republicans Propose Replacing Social Security with Groupons

Plan Would Offer Deep Discounts for Cat Food, Surgery

http://www.borowitzreport.com/2011/05/29...

-- Posted by cheesehead on Mon, May 30, 2011, at 3:29 PM

rr3 I am not certain that your comment was directed to me, but if so I can think of nothing more positive than doing all one can to bring the troops home. TEN YEARS? Good grief.

Your idea as to what is positive may be different than mine, but is no more valid. So, say what you will, when you will, it is your right, but don't tread on me.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, May 30, 2011, at 2:35 AM

Please people if we are going to thank the troops lets do it on a positive note lets leave all the negative crap at home at least this weekend. Resume on Tuesday!!!

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sun, May 29, 2011, at 11:59 PM

I just finished sending the following e mail to my Congressman. I hope that many of you will join me on this Memorial Day weekend by contacting your Congressional Representative in a similar fashion. It is another way of honoring our devoted dead to do all we can to make sure that as few of their brothers, and sisters, (our brothers, and sisters) join them prematurely because of this war where little has changed in ten years. If you do not, people of conscience, when it all comes to its fruitless end you will be haunted by your failure to attempt to save lives.

My message:

Message Subject: Memorial Day/Afghanistan War

Message Text:

Dear Representative Lankford, As I sat here remembering all those honorable service members who have given their very lives for our country, my mind made the slight shift to remembering all those who are currently deployed in Afghanistan. We have been there for ten years with very little to show for our efforts. Our troops, and innocent civilians are dying, and being severely injured at an ever increasing rate. Won't you join what is becoming a majority of compassionate citizens in efforts to bring home our troops now. We are eventually going to leave that country anyway, with nothing more accomplished, why not now? If we wait we will have to live with the fact that there will be thousands of our heroes, many injured, spending the rest of their lives wondering what was it all for. The rest of us will be haunted by the thought, what a horrible waste, and why did I not recognize it sooner, why didn't I do more?

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-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, May 29, 2011, at 1:26 PM

Airman: First off thank you for your service,and your Families sacrifices. You didn't say if your a career Military or not! But i would like to hear your perspective about us being there,without any reference too (there or on our soil).We have heard this so much its getting sickening to us in the USA! They can say this about any place in the World,so to me it's a scare tactic they us to justify any aggression they might want too make on any other Country! I can maybe under stand any remark you may make that you agree with them,if your a career,Military! But Please, an answer from a Human being. Do you think we should be there and why? The world knows we can destroy this entire world ,in a day.So its not too give them the impression we're tough, the entire world is tough!Any answer you give will be respected. Thank you again for you & your Families service!

-- Posted by Jo on Sat, May 28, 2011, at 10:45 PM

It is all well, and good that we say thank you to our citizens who serve in our foreign adventures. It is good that we stick little ribbons on our cars. It would be better if we spoke up in their behalf about the abysmal health care that they get from the Veteran's Administration. (see link) It would be better if en masse we would demand of our government that we leave Afghanistan so they can all come home. Ten years with nothing to show for our effort is enough. It smacks of hypocrisy that we do not put more where our mouths are.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42995663/ns/...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, May 28, 2011, at 6:03 PM

MoAirmen I would like to thank you for your service and taking the time to give us first hand knowledge of the situation. The media tells people what they want to hear and it is mostly bad I wish we could have the positive accounts of what happens with our troops no matter where they are at around the world.

Thanks again and God Bless our troops and America.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sat, May 28, 2011, at 5:02 PM

Further X-ray, Afghanistan has many undeveloped natural resources. Oil reserves in northern territories, iron, and many others.

China is licking its chops to get in there as soon as we are through screwing up. You know, China, the master of twenty first century empire building. They eschew old style military force. They have figured out that one can spend a lot less waging economic war, with much better results. http://english.aljazeera.net/news/asia/2...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, May 28, 2011, at 1:29 PM

X-ray We wanted an occcupied Afghanistan to build, and secure a pipeline. If you are not familar with the concept(though I imagine you are) here is a link that introduces it. There is of course much more, if you care to follow it in greater depth. http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/sardi7.h...

In the middle east our adventures are about oil, and gas, directly, or indirectly. How could it be otherwise with Oilies controlling the Whitehouse for eight years?

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, May 28, 2011, at 1:16 PM

This is not aimed at anybody in particular, nor is it meant to change minds. I am originally from the Marshall area and Missouri is still my state of residence. I am currently serving my second tour in the Middle East and I would have to say that the majority of what you are posting is inaccurate information. Everybody points to OBL being killed as an automatic withdraw point. But we cannot just pack up and leave these countries in the condition that we made them. If we were to pack up today and leave we would just be asking for another attack on our soil. It seems that everyone has researched into this topic and everyone is an expert about it. But this whole conversation is pretty much about Afghanistan, nobody is discussing the draw down in Iraq. This leads me to believe that everyone is just reading and watching what the media has to say about it. The troop withdrawal time table is right where it should be and soon enough the majority of troops will be out of here. The best thing to do is try and see this from as many angles as you can before pointing the finger at one thing or another. The other thing to do is thank a veteran. It is surprising how little this happens and how much it means to us to have your support. Sorry for the rant. Thank you and god bless.

-- Posted by MoAirmen on Sat, May 28, 2011, at 12:58 PM

xray,

My opinion is based on correspondence with someone who is actually right there in the middle of it, not news reports. I suppose you lap up everthing FOX news tells you?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Sat, May 28, 2011, at 12:13 PM

what the F.... my perspective is much different than yours. The problem is NOT that the people do not want our help, or any help getting rid of the Taliban and other oppressive elements. The problems is that he Taliban and others are very good at intimidation.. they dont care or think twice about killing a man and his family... even their extended family. THAT is what causes the problem in our ability to help the normal Afghanistan people who just want to be left alone. The regular people DO want our help, the world's help. But the second the troops leave a specific community the Taliban moves in and renews their intimidation. The regular Afghanistan people have proven over and over to be willing to risk harm and death to work with UN and US troops to work to rid their nation of Taliban's influence.

Does that mean that I think our efforts have all been correct or helpful... of course not. When you are in a war zone NOTHING works as intended. We have done many many things that are good and have helped the common citizens of Aghanistan.... the problem is that the liberally biased news outlets REFUSE to report about any of those things.

-- Posted by mrxray on Sat, May 28, 2011, at 9:12 AM

nanadot... exactly what resources did we see and lust after that caused us to enter into Afghanistan? What resources have we stolen from Afghanistan? Poppys? Opium and Heroin? Or maybe the old Ak 47s?

-- Posted by mrxray on Sat, May 28, 2011, at 9:06 AM

Eight NATO troops killed by IED in Afghanistan. Seven were Americans. Others were wounded, but they no longer tell us how many, and how badly.

How would you feel if those killed were your brothers? What would you do if those killed were your brothers?

They are your brothers. We are their keepers. Bring them home, NOW!

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/05...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, May 27, 2011, at 10:15 PM

We have a close family friend stationed in Afgahnistan. We have kept in touch via Facebook.

I have come to conclude 3 very important things.

1.) It's hard to "help" people who don't really want it.

2.) It's even harder to "help" people who won't or can't help themselves. If they want to continue to live in the dark ages, then that is thier right which brings us to:

3.) Bring our people home from that festuring boil of a "country". You can't even trust the children so the adults are out of the question.

Bin Laden is gone and as most suspected he wasn't even there. Time to move on. Whomever is making money off of this debacle will have to find yet another way to screw the American taxpayer.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, May 27, 2011, at 5:28 PM

Does anyone know how the Government plans to pay for that $690,000,000,000.00 now devoted to the military/industrial complex?

Oh that's right -- they want to eliminate medicare, our social security, aid to poor children, job training programs, ect..

Yeah I guess war is much more important than medical care for our old folks (or anyone else).

Oh wait -- those cuts in programs designed for We the People won't even come close to covering that trillion dollars for empire building.

Well I guess our grandchildren will have to pay for it...and pay for it they will!!

-- Posted by news across on Fri, May 27, 2011, at 4:29 PM

Will photos from the Marshall High School graduation be posted to the MDN website?

-- Posted by k_m on Fri, May 27, 2011, at 4:08 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
I'm working on it as we speak, so to speak.

RR the following is going to really up set people.

1)it has been getting harder and harder to be proud to be and american. over the last 50 years "american" has become a synonym for "fat, lazy, arrogant, bully"

2)those who came before us, those who we should look to for inspiration wouldn`t recognize this country or its rampant Greed and sloth as the one they left us. like the father weeping over the mangled remains of a sports car that was handed over to a foolish 17 year old the night before.

3)the most famous americans in history (for good reason) are known for seeing the rampant injustice of the corrupt government of their country and complaining about it, then asking for a redress of their needs, then declaring themselves no longer part of said system. thereby claiming no part of the crappy management.

4) if the government really wanted to honor and respect the young men and women who are serving and have served their duty they would stop getting them shot in so many countries that pose Zero military threat to the country they serve. Instead they continue with this Orwellian war machine that effectively uses up the means of production and labor force and creats a need for more of both like a fire in a hay barn.

as an american citizen I refuse to live in such a screwed up country; and as Mike Moore said I ain`t leavin`. time to roll up our sleeves and fix this place for the future of the little Americans who will hopefully do a better job than us and not for our wallets!

bring the boys home, put em to work. bam instant manufacturing infastructure, Police forces would swell, fire fighters would be less scarse etc. and they are highly cohesive, and hard working, and really good at taking orders and and and.

I bet they wouldn`t mind a few less bullets flying in their direction too.

-- Posted by BigFatGuy on Fri, May 27, 2011, at 3:13 PM

Some Americans only want to lay claim to the good things about America. The bad things or the things they don't support they like to complain but no way do they want to own them. As an American citizen I love this country and don't want to live anywhere else. Do I like everything about her? No there are things I don't like and a lot of things I don't agree with but I am still proud to be an American citizen. Fully American not just the bits and pieces that I like. So this holiday weekend lets remember those that have gone before us. Lets remember that they represented America the whole thing not just part of it and those that have given their life for this country they gave it all not just part of it.

I would like to thank all the men and women currently serving for all that they do and remember those that have already served. Thank you and God Bless America.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Fri, May 27, 2011, at 11:09 AM

I have a friend in Sedalia who went to Joplin to do some volunteer work. While working, he got a call from his wife that the tornado in Sedalia came within four blocks of their house. Luckily, only damage was debris in the yard.

-- Posted by Philemon on Fri, May 27, 2011, at 10:31 AM

A rural Marshall friend told me she bought a couple things by flashlight at Sutherland's, S. 65, Sedalia, yesterday. KCPL hopes to have power restored today. Heard tornado dropped paper items as far away as Gilliam. Salvation Army in Sedalia said they would collect photographs, paper records, etc., to return to those who had homes destroyed. Reports say 65 families lost their homes and another 25 had severe damage. Celebration Center on 32nd St. is temporary shelter. No lives lost, but it's still a mess. Bet some people volunteer to help with cleanup this weekend instead of vacationing.

-- Posted by former editor on Fri, May 27, 2011, at 7:15 AM

"House approves $690 billion defense budget"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/05/26/ho...

Well gee...no wonder they don't have any money for health care...

But don't worry the have a trillion bucks (each year) for the military-industrial complex.

Maybe we need less bombs and more hospitals?

Yeah those wars of empire building are really worth it -- especially on April 15th when you folks get to pay for those wars -- each year -- $690,000,000,000.00 worth of war!

Folks isn't it time we just say no to the warhawks that are robbing the taxpayers and getting our kids killed!

-- Posted by news across on Fri, May 27, 2011, at 2:40 AM

Oh yes, Roy Blunt was one of the fearless forty.

As popular as Medicare is,why do you think they want to kill it? We know that is not the will of the people, so whose instructions are they following?

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, May 27, 2011, at 12:21 AM

Forty Republican Senators vote to kill Medicare.

Why do we continue to vote for the party that does things like that? http://www.pensitoreview.com/2011/05/25/...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, May 27, 2011, at 12:16 AM

Republican House majority leader Eric Cantor says there will be no federal funds for Joplin relief unless cuts are first made in other programs that offset the cost of the relief. That's how the Republican House of Representatives treats folks with legitimate immediate needs. I wonder how long Mr. Cantor is willing to make Missourians wait for necessary relief? http://thinkprogress.org/2011/05/24/cant...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, May 27, 2011, at 12:07 AM

@ former editor,Agreed.

-- Posted by BeckyW on Thu, May 26, 2011, at 10:56 PM

Becky W: Here's a msnbc story addressing exactly what you're talking about!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43183344/ns/...

It talks about why so many are uninsured homeowners.

-- Posted by koeller77 on Thu, May 26, 2011, at 1:15 PM

Some people have their little home paid for, own it, aren't making payments, no mortgage. Some people with little used mobile homes, for example, may not have been able to afford insurance or it didn't look good enough to an insurance inspector to qualify for coverage. But the missing, unreimbursed roof is a hardship for those who no longer have a place to live in Sedalia.

-- Posted by former editor on Thu, May 26, 2011, at 6:45 AM

@former editor,I am not sure how it works there in Mo.but in Texas if you have a mortgage on your home you are required to have home owners insurance! So that should cover any damage to the home!

-- Posted by BeckyW on Thu, May 26, 2011, at 12:15 AM

While business buildings on South 65, Sedalia, were damaged today by a tornado, hopefully they are covered by some kind of insurance. I doubt everyone who owned a mobile home or house destroyed or severely damaged was insured against loss of the roof over their head. I'm sure there will be donations of clothing and household items, but those roofs - with mobile homes or houses under them - won't be easily replaced.

-- Posted by former editor on Wed, May 25, 2011, at 10:38 PM

Can someone please explain to me why Saline County has been under Tornado Warnings several times over the last few days and has yet to have the sirens sounded? This is very concerning as the tornadoes have been causing damage in several surrounding communities. I would hate to have something horrible happen to our community because we were not given amply time to take cover and adequately prepare.

-- Posted by duh! on Wed, May 25, 2011, at 5:40 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Are you referring to sirens in Marshall? They are only sounded when it appears a tornado or storm capable of producing a tornado is headed toward the city.

Tragic stories near my place, but not on my place ND. I am thankful.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, May 25, 2011, at 4:52 PM

It popped into my head that:

Chameleons change their colors, an act of self defense.

People do the same, but call it common sense.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, May 25, 2011, at 4:49 PM

Nanadot,

It's the ole' "divide and conquer". Wake up people, especially when politicians, any politician, starts talking about "wedge" issues.

"Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain".

-- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, May 25, 2011, at 2:37 PM

I heard from a local pastor who has been in contact with his colleagues in the Joplin area. They tell him they are overwhelmed with donations of clothing and are having trouble sorting and storing it. They are also in good shape for water supplies. Other needs still apply, and as another commenter noted, we have a family in Saline County in need of help, too. It's very heartening to see such generosity in the face of multiple disasters!

-- Posted by Eric Crump on Wed, May 25, 2011, at 1:43 PM

Don't forget indifference..

-- Posted by BigFatGuy on Wed, May 25, 2011, at 12:07 PM

Still kickin Slater, thanks for the shout out.

BFG I appreciate your on spot eloquence. You sure got that right. And so it goes with the ober klasse, always has, always will, and as always, fueled by the fires of greed, hubris, and ignorance.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, May 25, 2011, at 11:56 AM

The Deal's Farm is needing assistance: They need everything-- work gloves for volunteers, water/ food, personal hygene items, clothing & dog food. Donations can be left at the Marshall Headstart building or Missouri Valley Community Action Agency at 1415 S. Odell. For more info call 660-886-0150. Anything you can do will be deeply appreciated!! Sincerely, Family & Friends

-- Posted by nomad on Wed, May 25, 2011, at 11:23 AM

there was once a system of governance that was universally hated by the working class but nobody at the bottom really had the power to overcome the hurdles set up by those at the top.

the people at the top made sure to invest huge amounts of time and resources in the education of their own children while making education so cost restrictive that it was nearly impossible to attain unless your parents had a lot of money/power.

this system gauranteed a fresh crop of serfs/proles to do all the dirty or hard labor of a country with no hope of ever threatining the throne would be spawned each year.

the Spartans lived on the backs of the Helots, the feudal lords of Europe paid for their silk robes with the sweat of their Serfs, Fuedal Japan wasnt too different and now the american upper upper class has found a way to repilcate the same system here and now with a twist.

we sell you the american dream: "If you work hard all your life good things will happen and you`ll become part of the upper upper elite Group."..... what they dont tell you is that to get the education you`ll need to climb the ladder you`ll need more money than your parents made the whole time you`ve been alive and that if you work hard your whole life (not only will you just barely get out of debt) you may very well be a part of the elite group...... they need somebody to park their cars and do their laundry you could be a serf on their Property!!!!! Yipee

-- Posted by BigFatGuy on Wed, May 25, 2011, at 10:40 AM

I would love to go back to school but I don't think that at this point in my life I want to add the crippling debt.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, May 25, 2011, at 10:00 AM

OKR, nice to see that you're still connected. The accounting by the NWS that I read earlier made it sound like most of Oklahoma was going to be carried off to parts unknown.

Yep, the high cost of half an education. And to think, my GI Bill was good for $100. per month, which paid for the tuition and one or two books.

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, May 25, 2011, at 12:39 AM

It used to be that ambitious young people went to college, then bought a house, which they worked to pay for in 15 to 30 years. Now ambitious young people go to college, and work 15 to 30 years to pay for college. http://www.doctorhousingbubble.com/colle...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, May 25, 2011, at 12:03 AM

tornadoalleylive.com Check it out. Click on "LIVE CHASE"

-- Posted by red dog on Tue, May 24, 2011, at 8:28 PM

Lucky so far. Sirens went off a bit ago...tornado passed about 5 miles N. W. of us. Also went north of my son & family in Yukon (a west of OKC suburb).

More are headed this way. Thus far they have been breaking out in multiple sites from OK western border, and moving east by northeast.

This is one of the nastiest outbreaks that I can recall. Fortunately thus far they have hit lesser populated areas. Much rural damage.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, May 24, 2011, at 5:23 PM

I couldn't find a news story about this (and it's too far from Marshall to make sense to have the MDN do one), but it's so inspiring to see KIDS do something wonderful:

Carthage, MO, has their graduation tonight, and they are collecting donations for Joplin. In addition, the class of 2011 and their parents voted to give $10,000 - the majority of what they've raised over the last 4 years for their graduation party - to tornado relief.

I just think it's lovely to hear wonderful stories like this come out of something so awful.

-- Posted by koeller77 on Tue, May 24, 2011, at 12:50 PM

maybe the cougar could get these dogs!

-- Posted by BigFatGuy on Tue, May 24, 2011, at 11:15 AM

does this county or the town of malta bend have any sort of leash law at all or do the local officers just completely ignore ordinance and allow possibly dangerous dogs to roam the street?

there are a beagle mix and a pit-mix of some sort that roam the streets and occaisionally harrass children right at the stopsign/light in town.

either a kid is going to get bit soon or a motorist is going to have to hose whats left of their dog off of the underside of a car.

I AM TOTALLY SURE that saftey is the number one concern of animal saftey and law officials and this situation will be handled before I even finish typing this post.

fortunatly the grass has been cut short to keep the fine collection center happy so the dogs should be easy to round up.

-- Posted by BigFatGuy on Tue, May 24, 2011, at 10:40 AM

Slater - Yes, I think even our illustrious governor would share that sentiment. We have a much more minor tornado touchdown up here in LaCrosse yesterday, and we are all saying a prayer of thanksgiving that it wasn't worse.

-- Posted by koeller77 on Mon, May 23, 2011, at 8:47 PM

Momaster, the Red Cross slipped down a few more rungs on the ladder of credibility when they took most of that money donated after 9/11 and kept it for themselves.

Hey Koeller, you're not including your upstanding governor in your sentiment, are you? :)

MrXray, I wasn't impugning your suggestion of organizations. You just happened to remind me why I have no kind thoughts about the Red Cross.

In keeping with my sentiment, here's a little story:

When I was in the Army, the mother of the person who drove our supply truck died, and she'd been deceased more than a week before the Red Cross got around to notifying him. I figure that bunch could and should do better.

-- Posted by Slater on Mon, May 23, 2011, at 7:17 PM

I was not advocating for the Red cross or salvation army.... merely stating that their websites have links that direct you how to donate, probably money and goods and time.

Any other charitable group has a website too so you can find information out on your own.

-- Posted by mrxray on Mon, May 23, 2011, at 4:45 PM

Slater I agree. Donations should go to the Salvation Army or church sponsored groups. The Red Cross is not good about getting funds to disaster victims.

-- Posted by momaster on Mon, May 23, 2011, at 1:02 PM

Missouriwoman3 -

Here is a link to an MSNBC page that lists all the organizations that are accepting donations & help and how to reach them.

http://technolog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/201...

Mrxray - Glad to hear your family is okay!!

Our former pastors now live in Carthage and one works at a hospital as a chaplain just minutes from the hospital that was hit. Everyone in Joplin is in our thoughts & prayers up here in Wisconsin.

-- Posted by koeller77 on Mon, May 23, 2011, at 11:34 AM

If I may suggest, if blood is needed, see the Red Cross; otherwise, give to the Salvation Army where 96% of donations go directly to those in need.

-- Posted by Slater on Mon, May 23, 2011, at 11:18 AM

My sister lives in Joplin.... luckily her and her family are fine. Their house has some significant damage but can be repaired. She said that the damage in the city was nothing that you could realistically comprehend from the pictures and video. 89 confirmed dead as of 7am today and more sure to come.

I cannot imagine having to evacuate 180+ people from the hospital, not to mention attempting to move people out of rooms with windows, especially patients who are bedfast and those on ventillators. Reports of people being sucked out of the windows of the hospital. The destruction of life and property is unimaginable.

For those wanting to donate just go to the websites of the Red Cross or the Salvation Army.

-- Posted by mrxray on Mon, May 23, 2011, at 9:20 AM

Is there anyone helping or taking up donations to send to Joplin to help with their massive destruction sustained yesterday? I know i can't start any of this but i was wondering if anyone with a local Red Cross has started. I would be willing to take items if a truck is provided.

-- Posted by missouriwoman3 on Mon, May 23, 2011, at 8:24 AM

Is there anyone in Marshall with the Red Cross that is taking donations of personal items or anything to help those in the area hit yesterday or for the Joplin area? I am trying to figure out a way to legally help with donations but you have to have permission from the Red Cross to do that.

-- Posted by missouriwoman3 on Mon, May 23, 2011, at 7:22 AM

My thoughts and prayers are with all those who suffered from the Storms and Tornado

-- Posted by momandgramma on Mon, May 23, 2011, at 12:00 AM

To the people of Slater, Hope your didn't sustain any damage from the Tornado they say struck there!

-- Posted by Jo on Sun, May 22, 2011, at 10:52 PM

My thoughts and prayers are with all those in Joplin.

-- Posted by Jessa on Sun, May 22, 2011, at 7:06 PM

Congrats, Lady Wildcats track team! Kudos, to Ana Jackson for her well deserved gold!

-- Posted by nouveaublogger on Sun, May 22, 2011, at 1:29 PM

there was a small earth quake around vest and odell i had a gas attack sign of the end times. rofl

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Sat, May 21, 2011, at 10:55 PM

SALINE47

Really? Wow!!

Well congradulations Slater Wildcat Girl Relay Team Swimmers!

Your win was a job well done and an honor well earned.

Good on ya mates!

-- Posted by news across on Sat, May 21, 2011, at 8:09 PM

On one good note I would like to congradulate the Slater Wildcat Girls 4X400 meter relay team for winning First Place in State. Way to go girls

-- Posted by SALINE47 on Sat, May 21, 2011, at 7:36 PM

No, i won't be rapture looting, ill be too busy trying to Kiss were i can't good by! But it will be enjoyable thinking about all the others doing the same.Hope all the crack pots hung on to there life savings.If not sorry!

-- Posted by Jo on Fri, May 20, 2011, at 9:02 PM

Went out of town tonight and gas was $3.66, spent my hard earned money there instead of Marshall. Wish everyone could do the same and MAYBE Marshall will quit screwing us....................

-- Posted by fresh air on Fri, May 20, 2011, at 9:01 PM

Dear locally-owned convenience store owners (Quick Run & Northside),

Gas prices in Kansas City & the Lake of the Ozarks are $3.57/gallon. Shame on you.

Shop local? No thank you. I might go broke.

-- Posted by born-n-raised on Fri, May 20, 2011, at 7:15 PM

I cant wait for all the post rapture looting tomorrow it should start around noon or so. The biggest question is where should we start? Does anyone have any suggestions?

-- Posted by cheesehead on Fri, May 20, 2011, at 8:57 AM

Not saying that I don't like Jazz. I meant to say in my inadequate manner; All those who say "I do not like jazz". I could have better said all of you who say you do not like jazz.

Thanks for catching my error ND.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, May 20, 2011, at 4:59 AM

To all of you that say I don't like jazz I issue the following challenge. Please go to Eric's "Jazz is Marshall" blog, and listen to the links I have left there for eight different forms of music all of which is jazz, but no two are alike. I think you may find yourself liking at least one of these disparate forms of jazz, but had not associated that type music with jazz. By the way the eight types that I linked to, do not even begin to define all that is jazz.

I truly believe that you will be doing yourself a favor, not me a favor.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, May 20, 2011, at 12:55 AM

I am on disability and live in the housing authority I am appalled at the way the kids run all over the place with out adult supervision and how disrespectful they are, the other day I was helping with unloading some groceries to the house when a boy always friendly to me asked me little boy questions what is that what are you going to do with that etc. and I answered him cute boy his sister came buy and said you don't need to be talking to that girl i said excuse me i am a man she said you heard me to me your a girl well I saw her sitting in the middle of the street so i called 911 explain the situation next thing you know the police officer showed up at my door gave him a description of the little girl and haven't seen her since..It so bad I won't let the 16 yr old outside..

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Fri, May 20, 2011, at 12:07 AM

I am so happy to see the students graduating from the Saline County High School. My question is why they did not have cap and gowns on like the students from Marshall High School will be wearing? They should be treated the same.

-- Posted by fresh air on Thu, May 19, 2011, at 11:33 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
They will. The ceremony this week was to mark their completion of studies at SCHS, but all those students who meet the graduation requirements of MHS will get an MHS diploma, too, and can wear the cap & gown Sunday.

Smokin' Cheetah from time to time we do remove snow from the pads, but the main problem I see with putting anything on the pads is it would wear out fast with the weather and use, like I said between the weather and 5 years of play some of the pads form the first 18 holes are starting to wear down a bunch now.

But thanks for the info.

-- Posted by Gal66 on Thu, May 19, 2011, at 6:10 PM

RIGHT ON Smokin' Cheetah!

-- Posted by Selmac8 on Thu, May 19, 2011, at 2:11 PM

Ok yogagirl and parkuser your both really starting to get under my skin!!!!

You first yogagirl none of us working on this project are pros at this concrete work yes I have done a crap load of it and yes even paid to do it but that was over 25 years ago.

The rough finish on some of those pads are because I got on them to fast here is why when you have 6 pads ready to be finished and they are as far apart as these are you have to get on them a little quicker than you want.

Also if you would take the time to walk around and look at some of the pads on the first course they have worn down a bunch and is some cases get a little slick when damp.

If you think you could finish them better we can use all the help we can get!

Now for parkuser you know you made some good points right up to this question

"Also why on earth should I be expected to volunteer to do the work when I pay taxes and voted for the tax to improve the park!"

I will give you my expert answer to this question.

If we had had your attitude I doubt we would have a disc golf course by now either.

Here is a challange for you just as soon as I am not needed for this project I am going to ask Mr. Stubblefield if I can get started on the dog park

you want to help?

In fact I am going to go out and talk to him about it today.

-- Posted by Gal66 on Thu, May 19, 2011, at 11:48 AM

yogagirl remember it's volunteer help!

-- Posted by parkuser on Thu, May 19, 2011, at 11:05 AM

Philemon, Smokin' Cheetah & Gal66

I never brought up the cost of the ball golf course at all but now that you all have, I would hope the ball golf course brings in enough to pay for the payment for the new back nine and all the upkeep and the wages it takes to run the club house.

Does the disc golf course bring in any money at all for the park?

With just a little effort I put a guess together as to what it might cost to build the disc golf complex.

Disc Golf Baskets $358 each 36 holes $12,888

Concrete Pads $100 each 72 pads $7200

Total $20,088

Now like I said this is a guess because I am sure there is a discount for buying in bulk and I just guessed at 1 yard of concrete and it looks like to me there are 2 tee pads per hole.

Just another guess on my part but I would bet it would cost much less to build an of leash dog park.

And I would also guess a lot more people would use it!

Someone please convince me we needed another 18 hole disc golf course and that it was well spent tax payer money!

Also why on earth should I be expected to volunteer to do the work when I pay taxes and voted for the tax to improve the park!

-- Posted by parkuser on Thu, May 19, 2011, at 10:57 AM

I'm a girl, and I know that that is some of the worst looking concrete in town out at the park on the disc golf pads, and thats sayin alot! What did they finish that with, twigs? We paid how much for the renovations at the park and now when you drive through, you see those crappy looking pads everywhere! Its really a shame.

-- Posted by yogagirl on Thu, May 19, 2011, at 10:52 AM

Maybe they can clean the bathrooms after they clean the statue of Liberty.

-- Posted by Interested Too on Thu, May 19, 2011, at 10:47 AM

Smokin' Cheetah with just a little looking I found this about the cost of just building the greens.

Greens (11,150 sq.m.)

Minimalist Course $36,000

Average Course $190,000

Up Scale Course $600,000

http://www.tmgolfdesign.com/cost.pdf

Marshall does not have a minimalist course or an up scale so that would put us at an average course so that would be $190,000 for 18 holes so the new nine would be half of that or $95,000.

I know that both disc golf courses added together did not come even close to that ammount.

In my opinion this is not about the money it is about people that don't think the park is working on projects that they want done.

Here is a news flash for everyone the people that everyone sees working on the disc golf course are not employees of the park for the most part!

Yes we have had to have a little bit of help but it has been very little I am guessing here but I would bet it has been less that 4 hrs total.

Here is a little info for you all that want a dog park and walking trail go out to the park office and tell Mr. Stubblefield you want to help

-- Posted by Gal66 on Thu, May 19, 2011, at 8:23 AM

parkuser,

I'm one of the others you saw out there pouring concrete yesterday. No, that is not all of us that play, it was just all of us with jobs that allowed us to take time off to volunteer while the concrete company was open. Many play every day here in town, mostly locals. We do get many visitors from out of town on the weekends though. I don't know the exact numbers, but there are always several groups on the course when I play. The college students even tend to play in groups of 10 or more.

Your numbers are a little off when it comes to holding a tournament. All tournaments are at least two rounds. Up to 90 can fit on a single course at once with five per hole, but the second round would be in the PM with the same 90. Minimum requirement to even bid to hold the state championship is to have 36 holes since over 100 people are expected. When finished, there will be some four round tournaments held with 2 rounds on both Saturday and Sunday.

I have heard that there are plans to build a dog run in the park, which I will also be a regular user of. I heard this because the area planned for that was where one of the new holes was planned. The new hole was moved to the woods to leave room for the dog run. We have tried to keep most of the course in the least used parts of the park .

Trails are also in the works. Many people walk the trails we made while building the disc golf course. They are very scenic, going through the woods in the north end of the park and around the lake. Personally, I'd rather play a round during the walk, but to each his own.

As far as cost, the course has been very cheap. Not only does disc golf take up about a third of the room as ball golf, from what I've heard, the entire course costs less than as single hole of ball golf. That isn't even discounting the volunteer labor.

I believe having enough manpower is the key hold up to getting the trails and dog run built since park personnel are currently working on other projects. As I've said, volunteer work has been the key to getting the disc golf course worked on quickly. I personally go there almost every day after getting off work when the weather permits and stay till almost dark

-- Posted by Philemon on Thu, May 19, 2011, at 7:04 AM

I seen the conversation about the park and it made me remember to ask something. so has there ever been a talk in those meeting about the bathrooms between the kiddie park and the ball field? I know they are used a lot with baseball and tennis games and the kiddie park right there.They are in need of some repair. I took my 2yr old to that bathroom the other day and it was so gross, he or i would not go any further then the door

-- Posted by mtshell08 on Wed, May 18, 2011, at 10:04 PM

Point taken Gal66

Smokin'Cheetah I understand that people(5)from Marshall play the Marshall Disc Golf course but for the most part the times I have been at the park the course is unused, yes I know I am not there all the time hell I am not there much at all but I know what I see.

My point is this in my opinion have a few events and when they start to fill up then expand.

-- Posted by parkuser on Wed, May 18, 2011, at 10:55 AM

Oh and yes parkuser I was one of those you seen pouring concrete (I am way to old for that)and for the most part that is our Marshall Club.

-- Posted by Gal66 on Wed, May 18, 2011, at 10:06 AM

Ok parkuser because you are not a player I do not expect you to know all the correct nomenclature but I just have to point out a few things.....LOL

It's not frisbee golf it's disc golf :-)

And here is the big one.....LOL disc golf is just as real as ball golf!!!! (I made this mistake myself ONCE)

Now for your math, your math will work out for ball golf but not in disc golf because at most tournaments we play 2 18 hole rounds per day so if we have more than 72 players we will have a group of 5 per hole for a total of 90 players and with 2 courses we could have 180 players.

With the right sponsorship that is not that tough really.

-- Posted by Gal66 on Wed, May 18, 2011, at 9:53 AM

Smokin' Cheetah it's great that the course brings in people to Marshall but I thought the park was for the people of Marshall first.

Lets put this to some math and I can only use my real golf experience to relate too, lets say they have 4 players per hole that's 72 players so they could play 18 holes in the AM and put the rest in the PM that would give them 28 for the afternoon group that would also give them room to grow.

I just don't see the need for the 2nd course sorry.

Gal66 I am going to guess that you are one of the 4 or 5 guys I saw pouring concrete at the park yesterday.

Is that your whole club or group?

I commend you all for being willing to do the work yourselves and please don't get me wrong I just don't agree with the need for a 2nd course right now when I and others think there is a need for other projects.

I wish I had time to do some of the work for the projects at the park I would like to see done but working a full time job and a part time job just don't leave a lot of time.

-- Posted by parkuser on Wed, May 18, 2011, at 8:40 AM

parkuser,

I am one of the players here in Marshall, I was not playing when the first course was built but I now play with the guys that built it.

All but very little of the labor has been done by the players at no cost to the park.

Yes the park has put some money into the courses.

Last November Marshall was selected to host the Bluebird Championship if I remember right there was around 60 players here and this was from only one section of the state.

This year Marshall got picked to host the Bluebird Championships this fall and it will be larger this year because it is a state wide series we should host around 100 players.

Most of the space for the new course is in the woods so it was space that was not being used.

The nice thing is people can use the trails that have been built by the players as a walking trail if they like.

I too would like to see a dog run and from what I understand there are plans to build one, one thing that may help get the ball rolling is to offer to help with the work.

Smokin' Cheetah we would love for you to become one of the players there is a group of us that get together on Monday at 5pm to play your more than welcome to come out and play.

-- Posted by Gal66 on Tue, May 17, 2011, at 6:25 PM

I, for two, would like to see a dog run as well! Someplace off leash. That would be wonderful!

-- Posted by luvthoseowls on Tue, May 17, 2011, at 3:59 PM

First off I want to thank the people that work in our park here in Marshall I am sure they do not get enough thanks.

But I do have questions.

Why on earth does Marshall need another frisbee golf course?

Have the frisbee golfers used up most or all of the space to put the much talked about walking trail?

There sure seems to be a lot of money being spent on this new course!

I for one sure would like to see a dog run in our park.

-- Posted by parkuser on Tue, May 17, 2011, at 2:32 PM
Response by Sarah Reed/Staff writer:
parkuser,

The park still plans to add the walking trail by this fall, and proposed plans have already been drawn up. You're not alone in wanting the town to have some kind of dog park; I've heard that suggestion from several people, especially since our town motto is "Smart Dog, Nice Folks."

From what I understand, members of the Indian Foothills Flyers Club are doing all of the labor, which keeps costs for the park down considerably. It's an expansion of the course that is already in existence because disc golfers from around the state have come to Marshall for competition.

Another idea is to develop the old railroad trail that runs through the northern section of town as a dog park. I think that's still under the ownership of the railroad, though. If anybody knows for sure, please let me know.

I agree Oklahoma Reader and Eric. That is an outstanding photo.

-- Posted by BlackBird on Tue, May 17, 2011, at 1:02 PM

Does any one else share my opinion that Sarah's cage fighting picture (above) transcends its status as a news photo, and is instead art?

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, May 17, 2011, at 12:05 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
I do.

I think we ought to take our hats off to our local letter carriers and any voluteers who helped collect over 6,800 lbs of food for the local food pantry on Saturday. HOORAH!!

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Tue, May 17, 2011, at 10:05 AM

Nana,

Thats a good question because since the President has said he already has enough authority to fight terrorism. I will have to keep an eye on this one because I'm not sure what's behind Hartzler's vote on expanding war authority.

-- Posted by cheesehead on Tue, May 17, 2011, at 9:44 AM

BigFatGuy

Its shocking mate.

And they manage to get support from the very folks they are burning.

And it started when Reagan gutted the Department of Education back in the '80s.

Poorly educated folks make much better zombies.

Just ask your average Joe what novel did Sinclair write...you can bet your bottom dollar he probably won't say, "The Jungle."

Those who ignore history, are indeed doomed to repeat it...or so I have been told.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, May 17, 2011, at 9:18 AM

I see George Orwell`s world coming to pass with each new week.

Nana, you are right to be frightened, if they can maintain a constant state of war we can make sure that the products of industry are used up and that there is always a need for laboring "Proles"

the main vangaurd against this future is the labor union. the same system that made work tolerable and survivable is under attack.

I wonder which author had it right? Orwell or Sinclair? I predict we will see in less than 10 years.

-- Posted by BigFatGuy on Tue, May 17, 2011, at 8:19 AM

Well then speedfingers I quess subscribing to the KC Star is your bets bet.

-- Posted by Gal66 on Tue, May 17, 2011, at 6:20 AM

The coupon "problem" could be solved by subscribing to the KC Star. You can get it every day or every Sunday only, I believe. It's delivered VERY early.

-- Posted by Miss Marple on Mon, May 16, 2011, at 6:14 PM

The Sunday Sedalia Democrat also has alot of great coupons and sale ads

-- Posted by What the f...... on Mon, May 16, 2011, at 12:09 PM

Gal I got to Dollar tree at 10:20 and they opened at 10.... and they said all 30 copies they got were gone in the first 15 minutes...so I guess I should wait outside before they open to make sure I get my paper. Graham Bob I did not know that you could see the inserts early! THanks for the info.

-- Posted by speedfingers on Mon, May 16, 2011, at 11:26 AM

You can also just purchase the inserts themselves, without the paper. Google coupon inserts or whole coupon inserts. The preview will come out on Wednesday or Thursday and then you can decide whether or not you even want that insert before you buy it. Happy Couponing!!!

-- Posted by GrahamBob on Mon, May 16, 2011, at 11:10 AM

speedfingers I had to start getting up early Sundays if I wanted a paper.

-- Posted by Gal66 on Mon, May 16, 2011, at 10:47 AM

Thank you Interested Too. I do use some printable online coupons but also enjoy using coupons from the Sunday KC Star.

-- Posted by speedfingers on Mon, May 16, 2011, at 10:07 AM

Hi Speed,

I don't know if this will help, but there are a lot of coupons available on-line now. You do need a computer and printer, so I don't know that it will help you.

Anyway, maybe that will help a bit.

-- Posted by Interested Too on Mon, May 16, 2011, at 9:31 AM

To whom ever bought every Sunday Kansas City Star before 10:30 yesterday morning....THANKS A LOT!!! Could you at least leave me one? I know you NEED 60 copies of the same coupons but come on....there are other people out there who would like to save a little money too.

-- Posted by speedfingers on Mon, May 16, 2011, at 8:44 AM

Jessa - please excuse me. As the posts have been deleted I was going from memory and that is often my down fall. There was a poster that was insisting that the person that was shot should be arrested and i thought that was you. Again - my apologies.

-- Posted by broke-n-busted on Sun, May 15, 2011, at 5:00 PM

broke-n-busted,

I have no clue what you are talking about. I never mentioned anything about anyone from the 70's. I am not even old enough to know anyone from the 70's. I never said the victim was intoxicated. I said the SHOOTER was intoxicated.

-- Posted by Jessa on Sun, May 15, 2011, at 4:55 PM

rr3, I was merely pointing out how easy it is for any of us to trip over our own words.

I wasn't specifically picking at you or the subject of your post, rather the manner in which you expressed your thoughts. You could just as easily have been relating some pertinent information about one of our Native American tribes, for example.

The use of our language is a fascinating study to me, especially when a word or phrase with multiple meanings by context creates ambiguity for the reader.

An expression I've tried following (with not a great amount of success, I should add) is this:

Say what you mean, and mean what you say.

-- Posted by Slater on Sun, May 15, 2011, at 4:30 PM

Jessa that is correct. But in an earlier post that was deleted you spoke of someone in a shooting incident from the 70's. That person was the one that was shot - not the one that was the shooter with the .082 reading. From an earlier post you seemed to have a bone to pick with the person that was shot. There is no indication in the article that the person that was shot was drinking.

-- Posted by broke-n-busted on Sun, May 15, 2011, at 3:50 PM

broke-n-busted,

no, the shooter who was intoxicated. It is illegal to " Possesses or discharges a firearm or projectile weapon while intoxicated;" no matter where you are.

-- Posted by Jessa on Sun, May 15, 2011, at 12:55 PM

does anyone know the details on the fire in Malta Bend?

-- Posted by SalineFire on Sun, May 15, 2011, at 12:16 PM

Jessa I have been reading your posts on this article including the ones that were deleted and it appears to me the man you want charged was shot. The man called the shooter in the article had the .082 reading and was drinking. I don't know of any law that would find a man guilty of being shot by someone else in his own home.

-- Posted by broke-n-busted on Sun, May 15, 2011, at 11:44 AM

Eric,

Why did you take down all of the comments on this story?? Just curious??

-- Posted by Jessa on Sun, May 15, 2011, at 10:22 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
When inappropriate comments far outnumber appropriate comments we sometimes disable the comment feature.

As you can see Slater there was no response as expected except of course someone wanting to make an issue of it. Thanks anyway.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sun, May 15, 2011, at 10:22 AM

http://www.marshallnews.com/story/172155...

-- Posted by Jessa on Sun, May 15, 2011, at 9:06 AM

Japan will not build new nuclear reactors. Should we join them? How? Why? http://blog.buzzflash.com/node/12694

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, May 15, 2011, at 1:14 AM

Jessa

I have not read about this particular incident so I don't know the facts of the events that may or may not have happened.

I do know that the police and the District Attorney would not hesitate to make an arrest and prosecute if they believe a crime has occured and that they have enough evidence to reasonably win a conviction.

You may want to write or call the District Attorney's office and ask about it. I am sure that would be the very best source in this case.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, May 15, 2011, at 12:55 AM

571.030. 1. A person commits the crime of unlawful use of weapons if he or she knowingly:

(1) Carries concealed upon or about his or her person a knife, a firearm, a blackjack or any other weapon readily capable of lethal use; or

(2) Sets a spring gun; or

(3) Discharges or shoots a firearm into a dwelling house, a railroad train, boat, aircraft, or motor vehicle as defined in section 302.010, RSMo, or any building or structure used for the assembling of people; or

(4) Exhibits, in the presence of one or more persons, any weapon readily capable of lethal use in an angry or threatening manner; or

(5) Possesses or discharges a firearm or projectile weapon while intoxicated; or

(6) Discharges a firearm within one hundred yards of any occupied schoolhouse, courthouse, or church building; or

(7) Discharges or shoots a firearm at a mark, at any object, or at random, on, along or across a public highway or discharges or shoots a firearm into any outbuilding; or

(8) Carries a firearm or any other weapon readily capable of lethal use into any church or place where people have assembled for worship, or into any election precinct on any election day, or into any building owned or occupied by any agency of the federal government, state government, or political subdivision thereof; or

(9) Discharges or shoots a firearm at or from a motor vehicle, as defined in section 301.010, RSMo, discharges or shoots a firearm at any person, or at any other motor vehicle, or at any building or habitable structure, unless the person was lawfully acting in self-defense; or

(10) Carries a firearm, whether loaded or unloaded, or any other weapon readily capable of lethal use into any school, onto any school bus, or onto the premises of any function or activity sponsored or sanctioned by school officials or the district school board.

-- Posted by Jessa on Sun, May 15, 2011, at 12:49 AM

Thank you news across. I actually researched it as well and I found the same thing at mo.gov, I just wanted to make sure I was understanding it correctly. Isn't it unlawful use of a weapon?? The way I understand it, it is against the law to even possess a loaded gun while intoxicated.

-- Posted by Jessa on Sun, May 15, 2011, at 12:47 AM

Jessa

That is a very good question.

In fact, your asking that left me wondering that as well. So I did some research.

here is what I learned:

"Possessing gun while drunk is now a felony" in Missouri.

http://www.plattecountylandmark.com/Arti...

Missouri Code Annotated

Chapter 571.030

" A person commits the crime of unlawful use of weapons if he or she knowingly: (5) Has a firearm or projectile weapon readily capable of lethal use on his or her person, while he or she is intoxicated, and handles or otherwise uses such firearm or projectile weapon in either a negligent or unlawful manner or discharges such firearm or projectile weapon unless acting in self-defense;"

http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/chapters...

-- Posted by news across on Sun, May 15, 2011, at 12:22 AM

Eric,

The paper stated the legal limit for driving is 0.8 which means a person is considered drunk and should not be driving a vehicle. Vehicles have been defined as weapons in drunk driving crashes so why would using a handgun while drunk be any different?? Can someone PLEASE explain this to me. This is really bothering me. This man could have been seriously injured or worse for this kind of stupidity.

-- Posted by Jessa on Sat, May 14, 2011, at 11:35 PM

Intersting enough, the Prosecuting Attorney who has said there is not enough evidence to successfully prosecute the person who tortured the puppy reports that there was a massive response from concerned people all over the World about the torture of that little pup.

...and rightly so!

Its normal for us to be concerned about animal welfare I think. Its an expression of human altruism. Its a natural response to the torture of an animal.

Yet when our Nation is torturing human beings -- and we are torturing human beings in your name -- there is barely a peep from the same folks outraged at the torture of a pup.

"Red Cross report details torture"

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2009/04/06/R...

"Red Cross report describes "torture" at CIA jails"

http://www.reuters.com/article/2009/03/1...

"CIA medics joined in Guantánamo torture sessions, says Red Cross"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/apr...

Yes some of these prisoners who have been tortured are bad people, but we don't allow torture as a punishment in our Nation and none of these people had been convicted of anything anyway at the time of their torture.

Our Founding Fathers felt very strongly that torture of even the guilty is morally wrong.

United States Constitution

Amendment 8 - Cruel and Unusual Punishment. Ratified 12/15/1791.

"Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted."

http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html...

So where is the moral outrage over our own torture of human beings that happened recently and is probably still occuring?

And why are we not demanding our Government stop torturing human beings immediately in accordance with our moral traditions and our laws which prohibit it?

-- Posted by news across on Sat, May 14, 2011, at 10:13 PM

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?...

-- Posted by mtshell08 on Sat, May 14, 2011, at 9:34 PM

Does anybody have a link to the video of the dog that was abused in Slater, MO?

-- Posted by Back in the day on Sat, May 14, 2011, at 9:03 PM

slmky: I can see at least one ad for a Saturday garage sale right now.

-- Posted by Miss Marple on Sat, May 14, 2011, at 8:09 PM

I'm vary displeased with the behavior of the two judges for the Jim the wonder dog contest. If they are going to agree to do it weather being payed or not it should be taken with a little more pride and seriousness. A big disappointment.

-- Posted by mtshell08 on Sat, May 14, 2011, at 8:08 PM

Has anyone noticed that online garage sale ads, that folks paid good money to have advertised, are being removed before Saturday morning??? If you don't print them off earlier, you won't get them. I suppose this is a ploy to force folks to buy a paper - which if you can only go to garage sales on Saturday, means you have to buy old news from Friday, since there is no Saturday edition.

-- Posted by slmky on Sat, May 14, 2011, at 6:51 PM

The English language is what it is, which allows us to use it judiciously, or not.

If you're claiming not to judge people one way or the other, be more precise in your choice of words.

-- Posted by Slater on Sat, May 14, 2011, at 5:40 PM

You be the judge, Slater!

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sat, May 14, 2011, at 3:57 PM

Freudian slip, eh rr3?

Not being "judgmental" just curious where each "think" they stand personally?

-- Posted by Slater on Sat, May 14, 2011, at 1:32 PM

Just curious if those commenting about FN, Hannity and the rapper spreading lies and don't want someone to tell them what to think. Are they practicing what they preach? Not being judgmental just curious where each think they stand personally?

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sat, May 14, 2011, at 10:24 AM

It's Doggie Day in Marshall! West central Missouri uses remarkable pooches to promote local good will: Jim the Wonder Dog and Old Drum, Warrensburg, with his eulogizer George Vest connected to Sweet Springs.

How ironic that Slater received international attention for a puppy slapper, internet viral, in the Democrat, in the Kansas City Star yesterday, live on web pages forever.

-- Posted by former editor on Sat, May 14, 2011, at 7:53 AM

Jo,

I think in Canada its against the law for news stations to intentionally spread lies. I wonder how long Fox news would stay on the air there?

-- Posted by miss october on Fri, May 13, 2011, at 11:19 PM

Heh heh...News, I'm booked into all the first line comedy clubs beginning next year.

-- Posted by Slater on Fri, May 13, 2011, at 9:46 PM

Jo,

This is a sick society we live in, sad to say. Those in control scorn the law as well as the people who are responsible for giving them their positions.

I still believe your idea that it'll take a revolution for change to happen, but there seems to be so much apathy even that will most likely never happen.

-- Posted by Slater on Fri, May 13, 2011, at 9:44 PM

Slater

Lol lol lol, otflmao,

I like your style mate!!

-- Posted by news across on Fri, May 13, 2011, at 9:31 PM

Bonfire Under The Hannaties

-- Posted by Slater on Fri, May 13, 2011, at 9:27 PM

This is a Country of Law.So how come these Commentator can get away with this lying.And not just Commentators,Politician! Hold them accountable, who ever is watching them do it! I'm sure there is an ethics Committee some were not doing their Job. Fire them! This has to be done for the sake of Journalism, or is that a nasty word,anymore?

-- Posted by Jo on Fri, May 13, 2011, at 8:52 PM

Oh and one more comment regarding Mr. Hannity.

I am tired of rich people telling me how I should think.

Hannity knows nothing of my life or my stuggles...or yours.

...and he does not care either.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, May 13, 2011, at 5:26 PM

OOPS!

Make that "Hannity's" not "Hannities"

Lol...its early morning here...lol.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, May 13, 2011, at 5:07 PM

miss october

Yes such behavior from Hannity is not unusual.

But he has no right to subjectively interpret any work of art for the rest of us. His opinion is only meaningful to him.

He can believe what he wants. So what?

He is just one person who is making highly subjective statements about art and the intent of the artist with no way of knowing what the piece of art means to anyone but himself.

By the way, has anyone noticed Hannities career seems to have an unbroken line of negative, subjective comments about black artists...and black folks in general?

Could he possibly be motivated by some deeper personal predjudices?

-- Posted by news across on Fri, May 13, 2011, at 4:56 PM

The issue isnt whether there were bad words in his song it was the Fox news were twisting his words to make it sound like he was promoting killing cops. That hannity guy on Fox said he would call out anyone that promoted violence, but failed to call out teddy nugent for his inapproriate language. Thats the real issue not that you can find bad words in a song, Not everyoe that uses bad language wants to kill someone.

-- Posted by miss october on Fri, May 13, 2011, at 4:28 PM

It is absured to look at a painting and then tell everyone else what the painting means. Its just way too subjective and even the artist may not know what it means because it means different things to different folks. Beauty is, after all, in the eye of the beholder.

Same thing with poetry -- which is what hip-hop/rap is -- poetry.

How dare anyone claim the right to be the sole interpreter of a work of art, be it oil painting or poetry.

Think what you want of Common's work...then move on because you are not qualified to judge his work for anyone but yourself.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, May 13, 2011, at 4:25 PM

The three random songs I looked at the lyrics of weren't about cop killing, but like I said, would be deleted if I posted them here. So are you saying I should cherry pick the portion of Common's music that isn't vulgar to get the real message he is trying to get across rather than look at the portions that are trash? Maybe I will look up some more of the lyrics later, but I doubt I will waste the time. Maybe I gave up too quick searching the lyrics after only 3 songs, but I am a big baseball fan so decided 3 strikes put him out.

-- Posted by Philemon on Fri, May 13, 2011, at 4:07 PM

cheesehead,

You've hit the nail on the head! I couldnt find a better example of hypocrisy in the media than the one you posted with Hannity. Instead of admiting they were wrong they try to shift the focus from Hannity to O'Reiley with not even a mention of how Hannity totally lied on the air and did nothing to condem the words of Nugent's when asked about Nugent's comments. I also notice whenever Fox has been caught in a bad situation they always blame the left, but in this case it doesn't fly Stewart makes fun and points out gaffes by all.

Phil,

You should listen to the message in some of Common's music its easy to figure out he isnt promoting cop killing. Here is the link about Fox everyone is discussing.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/jon-stewarts-...

-- Posted by Back in the day on Fri, May 13, 2011, at 3:26 PM

I didn't see the Fox News story your were talking about, but I did just do a quick Google to find some of Common's lyrics. I only looked at 3 songs, but can't post them here since Eric would surely delete them for language. Some of his lyrics must be decent, but you have to admit that he has some very classless stuff out there too.

-- Posted by Philemon on Fri, May 13, 2011, at 1:15 PM

Here is a video of the artist by name of Common and he has many songs similar to this one. Doesn't appear to me this guy pushes any message of hate. "Hate has no color or age" is one of the lines in his lyrics. Fox news is classless for going after this guy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBa55sDTI...

-- Posted by cheesehead on Fri, May 13, 2011, at 12:42 PM

Fox news went after Common because of his color and because he visted the White House. If they can link someone with black liberation theology or a rev Wright supporter then they could make a racism argument. I would like to see a video of Fox news concern's about Common's lyrics or supposed support for cop killing before he visited the White House?

-- Posted by cheesehead on Fri, May 13, 2011, at 12:27 PM

My problem with this is if Common was white I doubt Fox would have even done the story.

Why not post both sides so people can make up their own minds.

Here is a link to "Bill O'Reilly hits back"

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/bill-oreilly-...

-- Posted by Gal66 on Fri, May 13, 2011, at 10:33 AM

Miss October,

They get away with it because 1/3 of voters in our country believe them.

Also, did no one tell you? If you disagree with what they say, you are un-American. Nobody wants to be that.

21st century society is really hillarious if you can get past the damage that all the funny stuff leaves in it's wake.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Fri, May 13, 2011, at 10:32 AM

Cheesehead,smart dog

Your link is great but everyone should watch this link. My question is how does Fox news get away with this on a routine basis? Do the people in charge there have any professionalism at all? Watch Stewart's takedown of Fox news!

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/jon-stewarts-...

-- Posted by miss october on Fri, May 13, 2011, at 8:33 AM

Thanks for the link, Cheesehead. Stewart is great. Fox is such an easy target though. They pretty much discredit themselves continuously as they go about their pandering business.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Fri, May 13, 2011, at 8:09 AM

We don't need no nuke power!

Renewable energy can power the world says landmark IPCC study.

Did you know that almost half of new electricity generation capacity added globally between 2008, and 2009 came from renewable sources such as wind, and solar power? http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/20...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, May 12, 2011, at 11:45 PM

Everyone has to check this out as Fox news tries to link the musician named Common with violence and hate even though his music is all about peace. Watch as Jon Stewart appropriately points out the hypocrisy in Fox new's coverage with a rap of his own. This is way too funny!

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/jon-stewarts-...

-- Posted by cheesehead on Thu, May 12, 2011, at 3:20 PM

Though I am not an attorney I spent many years investigating, and managing cases that were in civil suit. At times there was a parallel criminal action.

This would be a difficult case to prosecute because of the reasonable doubt standard that must be overcome by the prosecution in a criminal case. For example, the defense could, and should, present evidence in the instant case that 5% of puppies, are what is known as hard puppies, and measures considered extreme with normal puppies, are de riguer with that special group. It is the defenses duty to present any thing that would raise a reasonable doubt in the minds of a judge, or a jury. That was just one example that I offered to make the point. There are likely many other elements available to the defense.

Remember, the defense just needs to convince one resolute juror that there is a reasonable doubt as to guilt to get a hung jury, which would result in a mistrial. Then the entire process would have to start all over again.

Sometimes the most minute details unearthed in a good investigation can make, or break a case. Sitting on the outside looking in at only a portion of the evidence, we posters, here, or on face book, can not arbitrarily determine whether, or not charges would result in a conviction.

It is likely that the legal review by the potential prosecutor led to the conclusion that this case is a dog. Sorry, I couldn't resist the pun.

Justice meted by the legal system is not the only form of prosecution available to the people. The social castigation heaped on this apparently errant young man hopefully will bring him to a greater appreciation of what is acceptable behavior. He has been exposed.

Having grown up in Marshall, I often observed the burden that the weight of communal scorn places on a percieved violator of the mores of a small community. I also observed that at times it was an injustice. I suspect that this young fellow will be labeled the puppy beater, or some such name, which can amount to a life sentence, never to be lived down, in intimate communities such as Slater, and Marshall. It is likely that many of you long time citizens have known people that have fled the community for such reasons.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, May 12, 2011, at 10:33 AM

News Across ... Just a clarification: Mr. James has been very supportive of the jazz festival. He gave us permission to use his name and provided video clips we can show at the event, but he isn't expected to attend this year. We're working now to get on his schedule for next year.

It'll be a great show! Bobby Watson is a world-class sax player, composer and band leader. Band leaders Joe Athon and DJ Sweeney are fixtures in the KC jazz scene and both are from Marshall -- two more reasons we like to say Marshall is Music!

Also on stage during the concert will be Will Matthews, guitarist for the Count Basie Orchestra, Bill McKemy, and three more musicians from Marshall: Clarence Smith, Kevin Frazee and Jay Buck.

-- Posted by Eric Crump on Thu, May 12, 2011, at 6:40 AM

I need to see AKC records first, to insure that Daisy really is a dog.

-- Posted by Interested Too on Thu, May 12, 2011, at 2:19 AM

Since Bob James is coming to Marshal, I watched and listened to some of his videos...wow!

...and best of all Bob is one of our hometown boys.

I sure do wish I was in Marshall to see that show.

His music is incredible and his perfomance flawless.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, May 12, 2011, at 2:16 AM

Oh heck!!

I guess I was wrong.

Apparently they don't have enough evidence to prosecute him.

That is a shame.

Which brings me to my next question, what level of evidence is need to prosecute a case like this?

If we have any readers of this forum who are experts in law, law professors, attorneys, ect, that might like to comment on this, I am sure many of us would be very interested in learning specifics of this type of prosecution and why its difficult to prosecute animal abuse in Missouri.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, May 12, 2011, at 1:07 AM

Yeah Jo,

I understand how you feel mate.

Fortunately, most folks I have known in Saline County are good, decent people and would never harm a pup or any other domestic animal.

I am sure the authorities are doing all they can to correct this situation.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, May 12, 2011, at 12:57 AM

Hey Eric

I know you are probably thinking, "maybe news doesn't have anything better to do today than post comments," lol.

Well if you thought that, you are correct sir!

Its a slow day here in Oz...but a pretty one.

Fortunately, I do have a few things to do tomorrow lol lol lol.

I hope everyone back home has a wonderful day today and I wish you all well.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, May 11, 2011, at 10:58 PM

Jo

I think you are correct Jo...anyone that would do that to a sweet little puppy would have no problem doing it to kid too...if he thought he could get away with it.

In fact, cruelty towards animals is a symptom of anti-social personality and specifically a psycopath personality. There is no cure. The illness seems to stem from lack of development of empathy in childhood -- something most of us develop around the age of 4 or 5. Since the psycopath cannot feel empathy for others, he or she also is incapable of feeling guilt.

Surprisingly, one of the best forms of control a society has to keep a psycopath's cruel nature in check is religion. While sociopaths and psycopaths feel no guilt they do feel fear -- including a fear of God. Consequently, religion is one of the only known ways to keep a psycopath or a sociopath from running wild in the streets -- that and a fear of being locked up.

Our prisons are full of these types. Most prisoners in state and federal prisons are required to be tested (yep they have a test to determine the level of anti-social personality) in order to weed out these types of individuals. Often times they even have to be removed from general population because they can pose a serious threat to the guards and the other inmates.

I don't know all the details of what may or may not have occured in this particular case, but I feel confident that the police are probably investigating and will do the right thing as soon as they can. Sometimes it takes a little while to gather all the evidence to present to a judge in order to get the proper warrant.

Anyway, I certainly hope the proper authorities have been notified and that they will take the right steps to ensure all the animals in Missouri receive the love and care they deserve.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, May 11, 2011, at 10:40 PM

Thank you newsacross. Glad you saw some merit in my comment but others did not. It was deleted.

I have no idea why. Eric, what was the reason?

-- Posted by AnneD on Wed, May 11, 2011, at 9:09 PM

Oops!

Oh sorry Jessa...I just re-read your comment.

I am sorry, I thought you were talking about the puppy abuse.

However, you are correct that they should inform the good people of Marshall why no action has been taken in the shooting.

You have a right to know what is going on.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, May 11, 2011, at 8:24 PM

Jessa

You are not alone mate.

I think a lot of folks -- especially in Slater and Marshall want to know the same thing -- why has this individual not been arrested and why is he not being prosecuted?

There may be some good reasons why the police have not moved on this matter...yet. For example, they may still be in the midst of the investigation and in that case we won't know what actions they might take till they complete their investigation.

But I would recommend folks keep demanding the police do something about this. Let them know you support their investigation and will support the prosecution.

Keep letting them know you won't take this lying down!!

-- Posted by news across on Wed, May 11, 2011, at 8:22 PM

I guess I am the only one that wants to know why no charges were filed in the shooting incident where the shooter was LEGALLY DRUNK!! I really don't get why some are charged and convicted and others are not!! It seems it just depends on who you are!!

-- Posted by Jessa on Wed, May 11, 2011, at 8:13 PM

Why didn't the police call the Humane Society and have the Slater puppy abuser arrested.Police at Slater do not arrest animal abusers. There is NO law against it at Slater! That's why the guy could post the video with NO regrets or fear of being arrested.Would it be considered abuse if someone was hitting the puppy abuser over and over again?

-- Posted by mosthonest1 on Wed, May 11, 2011, at 7:25 PM

AnneD

You make some excellent points in your comment.

There is no excuse what-so-ever for the abuse of an animal. Abuse of animals is absolutely unacceptable.

My wife and I have 2 dogs, 1 cat, and a beautiful little bunny rabbit. All our animals live inside the house. We keep them clean. We keep their bediing clean. We spare no expense to protect their health including all vaccinations, medical care, and regular medical check ups. We treat them exactly the same way we would treat our children -- with unrelenting love and devotion.

These little fellas depend on us. They trust us. They need our love.

I hope you and other responsible Marshalites will continue to press for government action in this matter. Don't stop till you have succeeded and don't take no for an answer. Most all remember this -- you are not alone!

Keep up the good fight. Do the right thing. And never give up!

Good on ya mate!

-- Posted by news across on Wed, May 11, 2011, at 7:21 PM

I am wondering if the prosecutor would comment on why no charge were filed in the shooting incident. The paper clearly stated a crime had been committed.

-- Posted by Jessa on Wed, May 11, 2011, at 7:00 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
The story we published did not state that a crime had been committed.

"News organizations press White House to release visual proof of bin Laden's death"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/05/10/ne...

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/...

"NPR joins AP in demanding visual proof of Osama bin Laden's death"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/05/11/np...

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2011...

Gee...if only they had not dumped the physical evidence over the side of a ship and allowed it to be independently examined by objective medical specialists (doctors) this wouldn't have been a problem.

Enquiring minds want to know...

-- Posted by news across on Wed, May 11, 2011, at 3:06 PM

"Japan abandons nuclear power plan, vows to go green"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/05/11/ja...

-- Posted by news across on Wed, May 11, 2011, at 2:58 PM

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/save-da... Please check it out and sign it.

-- Posted by Selmac8 on Wed, May 11, 2011, at 2:01 PM

So why are gas prices going up if crude oil prices have fallen below $100 a barrel. Went up 10 cents from yesterday. Record profits for oil companies again this quarter...awesome!!

http://money.msn.com/market-news/post.as...

-- Posted by DAgates on Wed, May 11, 2011, at 1:11 PM

In a way he was a bit of an optimist SC. I would have more reservations about doing that now. I am uncertain as to whether the institutions that assured his will was carried out will still be in existence that many generations into the future. Not that it is any problem that I have to deal with.;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, May 11, 2011, at 9:58 AM

And for those of you who never even bother watching the video and/or have no idea what the Scientific process for weeding out bologna is:

Here are the questions the Dr. Sagan's Bologna Detector kit asks of any claim.

1.) HOW REALIABLE IS THE SOURCE OF THE CLAIM?

2.) DOES THE SOURCE MAKE SIMILAR CLAIMS ABOUT OTHER THINGS?

3.) HAVE THE CLAIMS BEEN OBJECTIVELY VERIFIED BY SOMEBODY ELSE?

4.) DOES THE CLAIM FIT WITH THE WAY THE WORLD WORKS (IS IT A REASONABLE, RATIONAL, POSSIBLE, AND PROBABLE CLAIM?)?

5.) HAS ANYONE TRIED TO DISPROVE THE CLAIM?

6.) WHERE DOES THE PREPONDERANCE OF EVIDENCE POINT TO?

7.) IS THE CLAIMANT PLAYING BY THE RULES OF SCIENTIFIC METHODOLOGY?

8.) IS THE CLAIMANT PROVIDING POSITIVE EVIDENCE FOR THEIR CLAIM (OR ARE THE JUST PROVIDING EVIDENCE AGAINST ANOTHER THEORY AND BASING THEIR CONCLUSIONS ON THAT ALONE)?

9.) DOES THE NEW THEORY ACCOUNT FOR AS MANY PHENOMENA AS THE OLD THEORY?

10.) ARE PERSONAL BELIEFS DRIVING THE CLAIM?

Yes the kit is nothing more than asking reasonable questions to arrive at a reasonable assesment of the claim. Its very simple and very rational to simply ask these questions...nothing more, nothing less.

Michael Shermer: "Baloney Detection Kit"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUB4j0n2U...

"CARL SAGAN'S BALONEY DETECTION KIT"

http://users.tpg.com.au/users/tps-seti/b...

-- Posted by news across on Tue, May 10, 2011, at 11:18 PM

rr3yv0

I doubt that mate. WOW!

-- Posted by news across on Tue, May 10, 2011, at 10:34 PM

It's ok news it will be alright! Wow!

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Tue, May 10, 2011, at 9:24 PM

"Baloney Detection Kit"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUB4j0n2U...

-- Posted by news across on Tue, May 10, 2011, at 8:45 PM

rr3yv0

I don't base my statements or questions on what other folks want to read.

I don't care what they want to read.

Each person is an individual and I have no way of knowing what each individual wants to read nor do I care, as I said.

I post comments that are important to me -- just like you did -- just like Smart Dog did, just like luvthoseowls did, and just like everyone else who has a comment below and above did.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, May 10, 2011, at 7:22 PM

luvthoseowls

You say, "This is all sounding dagerously close to "politics"

Clearly, your statement sure is dangerously close to a political statement.

Perhaps that is because politics is so closely tied to so many things...like war, education, the press, your drivers license, your auto registration, your taxes, and those are just some of the direct relationships.

Also, remember...its nearly impossible to keep news of war and war related activities off the front page of any newspaper.

So its not surprising that your statement sounded so close to being a political statement.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, May 10, 2011, at 7:18 PM

.......or those who spew neo-con ideology at every opportunity "with the assumption that everyone else wants to hear it."

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Tue, May 10, 2011, at 3:47 PM

Luvthoseowls it's kind of like those that drive around town with their stereo blasting with the assumption that everyone else wants to hear it.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Tue, May 10, 2011, at 12:10 PM

This is all sounding dagerously close to "politics".... sigh.

-- Posted by luvthoseowls on Tue, May 10, 2011, at 11:50 AM

"Republicans in South Carolina, New Hampshire and Missouri line up to attack unions"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/05/09/re...

-- Posted by news across on Tue, May 10, 2011, at 6:23 AM

"The world's hardest working nations"

http://au.pfinance.yahoo.com/moneyandyou...

These are the top 10 hardest working nations in the world, according to this study.

The results were a bit different than I thought they would be at first glance.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, May 10, 2011, at 5:51 AM

My wife told me this morning that a very high ranking Iranian intelligence officer has announced that the Iranians have physical proof that Bin-ladin died years ago.

I don't know if they really have that or not, but I am very interested in seeing their evidence carefully examined.

"Bin Laden dead before U.S. raid - Iranian Intelligence Minister"

http://en.rian.ru/world/20110509/1639407...

It should be interesting to see their evidence if they really have it. Of course until they show it, I remain skeptical.

Personally, I could not care less how or when he died. The guy was a cold blooded killer, and the World is a better place with him gone...not much better, but a little better.

And as we all know, there will be all kinds of "theories" as to what really happened.

And as we all know, no 2 or more powerful people have ever conspired to commit a crime -- or so I have been told.

So it will be interesting to see the Iranian evidence they claim they have.

Its sad that the American government dumped their evidence over the side of a ship. It would have settled the matter after a careful examination by objective physicians. And since their explanation (they threw it overboard to prevent anyone from building a shrine to him) is complete nonsense -- because you don't need a body to build a shrine, and they knew that, a new question has come to light...why didn't they tell the truth when asked why the dumped the evidence? and another, when will they answer the question as to why they dumped the evidence? May I suggest they will never answer that question with a viable answer.

Well let's hope we get some straight answers soon -- before some crazies start trying to tell us that powerful people may have conspired to commit a crime -- 'cause we all know that has never happened at anytime in the history of mankind.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, May 10, 2011, at 1:52 AM

GO THUNDER!

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, May 10, 2011, at 1:12 AM

Hey!

Check out this story.

http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/2011...

It's about what i did this past semester at MU. I hope you liked it, as i enjoyed being part of the project and being able to share it with you all.

-- Posted by TemplarKnight on Mon, May 9, 2011, at 9:42 PM

Eric,

I have question's....why is so much water on the street in front of the Dentist Office on Lafayette St.?

Who is sucking up this enormous size waste ?

-- Posted by momandgramma on Mon, May 9, 2011, at 5:20 PM

Hope all the moms out there had a great mothers day. To all the single moms ty for what you do.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Mon, May 9, 2011, at 1:01 AM

Lets hope that Vermont's experience with their new program will be a guiding light for the rest of the country.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, May 8, 2011, at 11:03 PM

Well it appears that with the Governor of Vermont's signature those people in that state will have universal health care. Hopefully the Missouri congress will follow their lead and do the same.

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/artic...

-- Posted by cheesehead on Sun, May 8, 2011, at 9:38 PM

More proof that the propensity for human error, allied with greed, makes us incapable of properly controlling nuclear power.

The aged nuclear facilities in the United States are a disaster waiting to happen. This will scare you

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42946452/ns/...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, May 8, 2011, at 1:11 AM

To All Mothers, the foundation of human existence, I'm wishing you a grand day!

-- Posted by Slater on Sat, May 7, 2011, at 10:03 PM

oklahoma,

Who would have thought that by purchasing some whiskey we could be helping reduce greenhouse gases?

-- Posted by cheesehead on Sat, May 7, 2011, at 7:51 PM

heh heh...OKR, I thought it was green side up. Oh wait! That's when laying sod!

-- Posted by Slater on Sat, May 7, 2011, at 12:44 AM

I'll do my part to make sure that this innovative green energy start up by the Scottish people gets off the ground. Bottoms up! http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/20...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, May 7, 2011, at 12:22 AM

Yea, lets stay, with green! They have NO idea what would happen if Yucca Mountain was too split open from a Quake! It sits right on a fault line,so we don't need any more waste there or anywere else!So for our own safety,lets STOP this madness? I'm so sick of these Politicans trying too kill us for a few bucks, i could Puck!

-- Posted by Jo on Fri, May 6, 2011, at 11:06 PM

"Study: Global warming has already reduced harvests"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/05/06/st...

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/art...

http://sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/7...

Some food for thought...no pun intended...lol.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, May 6, 2011, at 7:05 PM

Just a reminder:

The Marshall Market on the Square opens tomorrow, May 7 at 8:00 am. Join us as we kick off our third season!

(No early sales will be permitted.)

-- Posted by Amy Crump on Fri, May 6, 2011, at 5:13 PM

On the nuclear plant issue:

Prior to the Japanese nuclear disaster I was pro-nuclear power.

I believed the hype.

I believed their claims that somehow modern reactors were "China-Syndrome" proof.

That turned out to be just another lie from the same rich folks who would make zillions out of new nuclear plants.

The disaster in Japan woke me up to their lies.

We should not allow the rich to build any nuclear reactors in Missouri -- or any place in the USA -- and especially at our expense -- and prepaid at that. Our children and grandchildren are just too precious to take chances on a nuclear plant -- like the Japanese did.

Just say NO! to nuclear power!

-- Posted by news across on Fri, May 6, 2011, at 4:21 PM

Slater

Well I sure am happy you brought the Kahn site to my attention.

I plan to re-study calculus on that site, Its been a few years (to say the least) since I studied calculus and now I can sharpen my skills without having to shell out $300 for a Calculus textbook.

Thanks again mate!!

-- Posted by news across on Fri, May 6, 2011, at 4:15 PM

News,

Khan makes a good case for a new way of learning that not only seems to motivate the desire to learn, but also enhances achievement.

I was impressed by his unassuming manner and animated personality. When Rose asked him about the monetary potential, he said he's interested in promoting his ideas for revolutionizing the education process and not in making a big pile of money. He's created a not-for-profit business and has Bill Gates among his sponsors to keep the doors open.

-- Posted by Slater on Fri, May 6, 2011, at 12:07 PM

Of course, I meant DEMEANED. Sorry about the typo.

-- Posted by Interested Too on Fri, May 6, 2011, at 12:05 PM

I understand that we are going to save money on the nuclear reactor though. We are buying some used parts with just a bit of water damage from Japan.

We all know how well they do things there, and the quality of their products and oversight cannot be dimeaned.

Anybody want a PlayStation game, while we're at it? I'll sell it to you now, and give it to you when I am finished with it.

-- Posted by Interested Too on Fri, May 6, 2011, at 11:50 AM

thanks nana,

so Its not as crooked as I thought but still really crooked.

-- Posted by BigFatGuy on Fri, May 6, 2011, at 11:11 AM

WHOA, WHOA, WHOA!

Hold the heck on here. Are you for real saying that we are going to pay for a nuclear power plant before we get the juice?

Is it just me or does that sound analogous to Chevy or Ford calling all its car owners and saying they each owe extra money on the cars they already drive (more than the financial agreement states) so the company can build a new factory?

While we`re at it why don't we give the fools at "government-Goldman" who crashed the economy 750 billion dollars to fix the economy with no promise that it`ll work or that we`ll ever see that money again.... Oh wait we did that already I guess having the jackal watch the hen house makes a better metaphor.

-- Posted by BigFatGuy on Fri, May 6, 2011, at 10:30 AM

Slater

Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!!!!!!!

I am in my version of heaven with the Kahn Academy.

Oh thank you so much...what a wonderful site!!

-- Posted by news across on Fri, May 6, 2011, at 12:50 AM

Salman Khan (Khan Academy) will teach you in understandable language anything you want to learn - and for free:

http://www.khanacademy.org/

I listened to him explaining to Charlie Rose how he got the idea to make learning universal after he made some videos to help his niece learn algebra.

-- Posted by Slater on Fri, May 6, 2011, at 12:12 AM

Fox News' ratings are beginning to reflect the general disenchantment that America is experiencing with the lunatic fringe as represented by Republicans and Tea Partyers.

http://www.newscorpse.com/ncWP/?p=4331

-- Posted by cheesehead on Thu, May 5, 2011, at 11:48 PM

Nanadot,

This is crazy, but how could that even be legal regardless of who voted for this they should all be out of a job come election time. I would like to know the 20 or so people who voted against this because they must have realized this has went to far and they should get some praise.

-- Posted by miss october on Thu, May 5, 2011, at 9:31 PM

Jason1969

I don't know how much further to the right President Obama's economic policies can go.

He has used primarily a Neo-classical approach to the National economy thus far.

Perhaps its time he try using the only economic approach known to bring an economy out of a deflationary period -- Keynsian approach...'cause thus far that Neo-classical approach doesn't seem to have enough "umph" in it to kick-start the economy.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, May 5, 2011, at 7:10 PM

Thanks from all of us Jason69. I agree that it is a wonderful place to share ideas. I believe we all can, and do learn from it.

I hope you are better.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, May 4, 2011, at 11:07 PM

Nobody thought that President Obama would follow thru on his promise to hunt down Bin Laden but he did just like he promised in 2008. He said if the Pakistan was unable or unwilling to hunt down Bin Laden and take him out then we should. If you dont remember here is the clip.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/...

-- Posted by cheesehead on Wed, May 4, 2011, at 10:59 PM

Last week ended up in a short hospital stay at fitzgibons took real good care of me.. I have been sick lately been watching this blog and love it how you all share in ideas to me this is the best part of the newspaper.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Wed, May 4, 2011, at 8:07 PM

btw the president and his team did a great job by not bombing bin laden's compound so they could have proof that they kill bin laden I may not like some of his ideas ok most of his ideas but he hit the nail on the head with this one and this may have won him re election now if we can only get him to be more center on his ecnomics lol.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Wed, May 4, 2011, at 8:04 PM

anybody know about the factory discount place by goodys in the shopping center?

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Wed, May 4, 2011, at 8:02 PM

Forget the double negative.

-- Posted by red dog on Wed, May 4, 2011, at 4:35 PM

Let's talk about growing up in Saline County for a while. Saturday night in Marshall. North Street. I Like It Like That. Organized league softball. The pool top. Wooden diving boards. And on and on and on. Things like this are much more interesting than a lot of what is posted here. Not that I do not enjoy the topic of food.

I like food. It makes me a jolly fat fellow.

-- Posted by red dog on Wed, May 4, 2011, at 4:34 PM

If it's no trouble, I'll just have a shot of Everclear sluiced with a little lemon juice, and the rhubarb on the side. :)

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, May 4, 2011, at 4:25 PM

LOL, Slater...We can make yours non-alcoholic, if you want!

-- Posted by koeller77 on Wed, May 4, 2011, at 3:20 PM

Hey Everybody!

Koeller has offered to make Rhubarb Margaritas, but she needs to know how many blenders of mix to produce!

None for me, Agent 77, but thank you just the same. :)

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, May 4, 2011, at 2:34 PM

OKR, consider this:

NASCAR racing, for example, is a sport with rules about which I know nothing, and that's because I have no interest in that particular sport.

If a poll question about it came up, I'd respond by checking off No Opinion (no interest).

I'm sure you would agree that a "No Opinion" choice carries an equal value to the other choices when the survey follows scientific guidelines.

I consider Editor Crump's surveys to be a form of entertainment and nothing more. His pick of topics may well be determined by is mood - when feeling ornery, he may choose a more volatile subject. That would be my path. :)

Like you, I'd enjoy reading the comments, if it were possible to make them available.

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, May 4, 2011, at 2:28 PM

Fellow Rhubarb Lovers!

Here's a new one I haven't seen before, and I MUST try it! Rhubarb Margaritas, here I come!

http://thepioneerwoman.com/tasty-kitchen...

-- Posted by koeller77 on Wed, May 4, 2011, at 1:43 PM

Why do people vote no opinion on the poll questions? It seems likely that if one takes the time to read the question, then all the possible answers listed, it would stimulate some opinion on the subject.

Does a no opinion answer mean instead, "I'm not sure", or "I favor more than one of the answers", or "I have an opinion not listed"?

I would like to see some of those who have voted "no opinion" give us some feed back. Additionally I would like to see one more category at the bottom, "I have a differing opinion that is not listed". Hopefully those folks would then add that opinion to the comment box.

This question is directed directed to Eric. Do you get many comments from the available comment box, and if so is their some way you can display them? If not we do have the "Speak Out" forums to comment regarding the polls, so no big deal. I would like to read the comments.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, May 4, 2011, at 12:27 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
I like the idea of including a "my opinion isn't listed" option. Will try to remember.

As for sharing comments, I don't see any evident way to do that, so I'll have to check with the tech folks on that one. We do receive some comments on almost every poll, and of course, the more controversial, the more comments.

Does anyone know if there are any ordinances in Marshall governing upkeep of property and if so where I could find them?

-- Posted by momaster on Wed, May 4, 2011, at 11:53 AM
Response by Pat Nolan/Staff writer:
municode.com

Smart Dog, your thought about the level of statistical significance is indeed tantalizing.

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, May 4, 2011, at 11:13 AM

It would be interesting to see the statistical correlation regarding those who think killing Bin Laden is a hoax and those who think Obama's birth certificate is phony.

There seems to be a small but determined group of folks in America today who "can't handle the truth."

Sorry to use an overused line from a movie, but apparently there are a few in every crowd who will swallow anything Limbaugh, Beck, or Boehner say, but who can't seem to believe things that have actual factual evidence to back them up.

'Truthiness' gets more imbeded in society every day.

For those who aren't familiar with the term:

'Truthiness is a "truth" that a person claims to know intuitively "from the gut" without regard to evidence, logic, intellectual examination, or facts.' (from Wikipedia)

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Wed, May 4, 2011, at 10:48 AM

fulltimer,

Considering the man was shot in the head, I suspect that if the body WAS brought here, people would still be saying BS,BS, BS because he couldn't be recognized. What possible absolute proof could there be? I think nothing. Much of America just loves a good conspiracy.

-- Posted by Philemon on Wed, May 4, 2011, at 7:09 AM

Cheesehead, Al Jazeera just reports that enemy fighters of Kadaffi's troops, say that they have found Viagra in loyalist troop's cars, and tanks. Generally enemy fighters will say anything about their opponent. Also the article didn't say anything about frequency, and number. It was so vague as to evidence that it remains rumor in my opinion.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, May 4, 2011, at 12:15 AM

It's just my opinion, but I think there is a big difference between celebrating the mass murder of over 3,000 innocent people and celebrating justice being served to a man, who, by his own admission was a mass murderer who planned to kill as many more innocent people as possible.

-- Posted by Reader101 on Tue, May 3, 2011, at 7:42 PM

Tonight on PBS - Frontline

(Heh heh) Jason, this is pure propaganda.

Program Description

In the aftermath of the killing of Osama Bin Laden, FRONTLINE presents two inside views of the fight against al Qaeda and the Taliban. First, Afghan journalist Najibullah Quraishi--who reported last year's award-winning FRONTLINE film Behind Taliban Lines--once again journeys deep inside enemy territory. This time, he gains extraordinary access to a band of militants and foreign fighters in Afghanistan who say they're loyal to bin Laden and are readying a Spring offensive against the U.S. Then, FRONTLINE crosses the border into Pakistan, where correspondents Stephen Grey and Martin Smith go inside "The Secret War" against the militants. They uncover new details of a CIA "private army" of militiamen launching kill raids against al Qaeda and the Taliban inside Pakistan. They also find new evidence of covert support for elements of the Taliban by the Pakistani military and its intelligence service, the ISI. At a safe-house not far from where bin Laden was killed, they make contact with one mid-level Taliban commander who tells FRONTLINE, "If they really wanted to, [the Pakistanis] could arrest us all in an hour."

-- Posted by Slater on Tue, May 3, 2011, at 7:17 PM

oklahoma,

Here is video by aljazeera with that provides more allegations of rape by Gaddafi's forces and the use of viagra and other similar medications given out to these troops. It doesnt appear that the U.S has played any role in influencing this network to lie.

http://english.aljazeera.net/video/afric...

-- Posted by cheesehead on Tue, May 3, 2011, at 6:39 PM

No offense mo_maxine, but whatever gave you the idea that we would do anything dignified? Is this your first day in the USA? All you have to do is look at the abundance of reality tv shows which glorify the undignified. Read some of the usual posts here or anywhere on the internet and you shouldn't be suprised at our lack of dignity.

-- Posted by inthemiddle on Tue, May 3, 2011, at 6:20 PM

Am I the only one who finds it just a little morbid that Americans are dancing in the streets and going crazy celebrating a man's death?

Don't get me wrong I am proud of the fact that American soldiers took the man out but it just feels weird to see American people acting the way "they" did on 9-11. I'm not saying it's wrong, I just thought we would be a little more dignified. I was hoping we might be a bit more cilvilized. I dont need a special reason to thank the military. My son is in Afghanistan now and my husband fought in Viet Nam and Im proud of both. Because of them and thousands of others I am able to voice my opinion and others can dance in streets.

-- Posted by mo_maxine on Tue, May 3, 2011, at 5:17 PM

That story is full of holes Cheesehead. It is just intended to give we of the masses a rise. ;)

Seriously there was some discussion of it on the political blog, and Empress raised an interesting point. She said (I paraphrase) that it is the young men that fight wars, why would they need Viagra? It sounds to me like something a middle aged, or older guy in our Dept. of False Information dreamed up. Someone like that would probably think a lot about Viagra.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, May 3, 2011, at 3:54 PM

There are reports that in Libya that Gaddaffi's troops have been issued viagra and are being encouraged to rape women. I'm not sure but this should probably be considered a war crime!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/28...

-- Posted by cheesehead on Tue, May 3, 2011, at 10:56 AM

I'm afraid I couldn't live my life being as much of a skeptic as you News. This burial at sea could have easily been faked, but I don't need your baloney detection kit for that. In fact, people of differing opinions could all use your baloney detection kit on several issues and come up with the proof both sides need. Using your kit, and some of the same logic that makes the burial fail, even something as simple as the moon landing could fail. In fact, from the right perspective even the baloney detection kit could fail itself. I think it simply comes down to how much you trust which sources.

-- Posted by Philemon on Tue, May 3, 2011, at 9:26 AM

Thank You Gov. Nixon for the veto on HB209

-- Posted by fresh air on Mon, May 2, 2011, at 11:32 PM

Eric is there any special significance to the fact that when you cleared the blogs for the new month, you wrote May day, May day, May day?

Are we driving you nuts?

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, May 2, 2011, at 11:16 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
I feel sure that must have been a coincidence. Just a coincidence. Really. ;-)

Lots of rumours, and speculation that we really didn't get Bin Laden. I sure hope we did. You see if we made a martyr, and didn't even kill the guy, and he comes out of a cave in three days, all h*ll is gonna break loose.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, May 2, 2011, at 9:40 PM

Hotdogging at its extreme:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Dr2ZB36p...

(Note - one or two expletives of amazement muttered at the beginning)

-- Posted by Slater on Mon, May 2, 2011, at 9:20 PM

My bad IT, sorry.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, May 2, 2011, at 6:54 PM

mu-grad

Yes I am a skeptic.

No I am not proposing any theories. I have no idea if they got Bin Ladin or not. I sure hope they did.

But I am a skeptic.

I require extraordinary evidence to support extraordinary claims.

I applied Dr. Carl Sagan's "Baloney Detector" to the Obama claim and so far its right up there with big foot in terms of extraordinary evidence...none.

They had to bury big foots body too...not at sea of course...either that or the NSA has the body...all depending on which big foot sighting claim you might buy.

"Bigfoot Captured in Catskills"

http://weeklyworldnews.com/headlines/202...

I don't buy their story either.

I am a skeptic. I require real evidence...not "take our word for it."

I don't know anything about any theories. I don't know if they got Bin Ladin. I don't know anything yet except that they don't have a body to show me...or reputible scientists that can examine the body and confirm their claim.

So I remain skeptical of their claim.

Show me the body!

-- Posted by news across on Mon, May 2, 2011, at 6:48 PM

OK...

Looking back over your post, I can see why you thought that. In actuality,I had been watching TV and hearing all this stuff and had not even paid attention to your post.

Sorry if my response disturbed you, it wasn't meant for you.

-- Posted by Interested Too on Mon, May 2, 2011, at 6:29 PM

OK.

I would have missed your point...had I been addressing you.

I was addressing all of the negative thinkers out there. I actually had given little thought to your post.

Have a good one.

-- Posted by Interested Too on Mon, May 2, 2011, at 6:20 PM

Interestedtoo you miss my point entirely. I am not surprised by that.

My point is that we had an opportunity to distance ourselves from the terrorists by exhibiting that we have far more class than they. We could have returned the body to the Bin Laden family in Saudi Arabia. After all even those that are executed for the most despicable, and heinous crimes in our country have their bodies returned to their families after execution.

I despised Osama Bin Laden. I did not, and do not now despise his mother.

I believe that act of charity on our part may have won us hearts, and minds in the middle east. After all, is that not the mantra of every one of our military actions in the middle east? We blew an opportunity, by tossing his body in the ocean.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, May 2, 2011, at 6:12 PM

The next thing people will complain about is that we used "Geronimo" as the code name for Osama bin Laden. And that this is an insult to our Native-Americans. No credibility exists for conspiracy theorists on this issue. But I guess since it is the time of Easter we will have doubting Thomas'.

-- Posted by mu-grad on Mon, May 2, 2011, at 5:10 PM

"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."

- Carl Sagan

-- Posted by news across on Mon, May 2, 2011, at 4:48 PM

Anyone interested, please feel free to apply the

"Baloney Detection Kit"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUB4j0n2U...

to this story about Bin Ladin's body being dumped at sea...

...then see if you still believe it.

Something is very very fishy about all this...no pun intended...lol.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, May 2, 2011, at 4:45 PM

So we finally got Bin Ladin...

Great!

Show us the body.

There is no way Obama, not a stupid man, would have allowed or ordered a body he knows he will have to show the skeptics to be thrown overboard.

...and please spare me the "they respected his muslim faith and that is why they buried him at sea" nonsense. If they respected Islam they would not have been dumping copies of the Quaran in the toilet in front of muslim prisoners in Gitmo. The USA Gov could care less about a terrorist's religion.

They claim they dumped the body at sea because they never had his body.

If someone else wants to believe the US Gov got Bin Ladin and their very strange handling of his "body," that is fine.

As for me, show me the body.

Until that happens...

...I remain skeptical.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, May 2, 2011, at 4:37 PM

Osama bin Laden found + Osama bin Laden killed = gas prices jump 10 cents?

-- Posted by momaster on Mon, May 2, 2011, at 4:09 PM

In all honesty this man if that is what you want to call him deserves no consideration. Did he take into consideration all the lives on 9/11? Yes he did; kill as many Americans as he could. He got what he so justly deserved.

-- Posted by iteach on Mon, May 2, 2011, at 3:40 PM

OK Reader

I read on one of the network sources that Muslim burial services were taken care of before they buried him at sea. For the family - I guess.

zeke

-- Posted by zeke on Mon, May 2, 2011, at 2:21 PM

Oh boy!

Now we are worried whether a mass murderer is buried with his head facing the seat of the religion he has disgraced.

Come on eveeryone, this is a good day; let's thank our servicemen, have a moment of silence for our lost loved ones, and NOT give bin Laden another thought.

Wherever he was supposed to go...he has arrived.

-- Posted by Interested Too on Mon, May 2, 2011, at 2:10 PM

mu grad. I wont argue either side of the Osama bin found issue. but I have to say that free speech does protect ignorant speech. for now.

the way to remedy ignorant speech is education(Check the entire history of man as proof). education involves actually talking and reviewing different points of view.

if the people running the show are constantly aware that we don`t blindly believe what they say without proof they will be less likely to lie.

we need conspiracy theorist or who would point out crooked dealings?

-- Posted by BigFatGuy on Mon, May 2, 2011, at 2:09 PM

A thought provoking commentary on Bin Laden's assassination. http://www.truthout.org/bin-ladens-death...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, May 2, 2011, at 1:38 PM

Islam does require burial within twenty four hours. It also requires burial IN THE EARTH, after concluding several other rituals. Not only is it to be in the ground, but with the head facing Mecca. It doesn't appear that the burial in twenty four hours by us was done in consideration of Muslim practices when the other traditions were flouted.

The claim of burial at sea obviously was made for our benefit, whatever that may be, as we may never know the real reason unless Wikileaks gets it.

No doubt Muslims across the world are at the least chagrined by the alleged acts concerning the corpse. He will be a martyr to many regardless of the lack of a physical place to visit. If denying Muslims a place to visit their martyr was the reason for burial at sea, it is just another example that our government still does not have a clue about Muslims, nor even human nature for that matter.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, May 2, 2011, at 1:23 PM

MU grad,

If freedom of speech didn't protect ignorant speech, us humans would have no use for one or two of our five senses, would we.

-- Posted by Slater on Mon, May 2, 2011, at 12:47 PM

Islam requires a burial in 24 hours. We were not going to bury him in the ground--so that there would be a martyr's memorial. DNA had been obtained from his sister to confirm his identity. Please don't make a conspiracy theory about this event. Freedom of speech should not protect ignorant speech.

-- Posted by mu-grad on Mon, May 2, 2011, at 11:44 AM

News,

The burial circumstance is in keeping with Islamic custom, which stipulates that the body has to be buried within 24 hours after death.

I suppose we'll know soon enough if ...the report of his demise is greatly exaggerated...

-- Posted by Slater on Mon, May 2, 2011, at 11:41 AM

Hey Slater I guess Junior Bush wasn't that far off when the video was shown of him looking under his desk,and all around his office for Osama. Remember that one? It was right up there with his mission accomplished video as presidential buffoonery.

Bin Laden buried at sea? There is more than one thing fishy about that.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, May 2, 2011, at 11:39 AM

Doug Mills/New York Times:

"President Obama announced the killing of Osama bin Laden at the White House on Sunday."

Hey! I thought he was killed in Pakistan!

-- Posted by Slater on Mon, May 2, 2011, at 10:37 AM

valleygirl01's it's great to see this and I am so glad the matches are not being held in a bar or a nightclub.

Well done FTPmma!!!!

-- Posted by Gal66 on Mon, May 2, 2011, at 7:21 AM

This post was the last one in last months Speak Out and I thought it should be put back up so everyone had the chance to see what some fine people do in this community a big thanks goes out to the Mid-Day Optimist Club and the Rector family my Grandkids had a great time.

Thank you to everyone that had anything to do with this event!!!!

"I really have to give a big THANK YOU to the Mid-Day Optimist Club and the Rector family for yet another successful and fun-filled Kid's Fishing Tournament! I just can't express how wonderful this event (completely FREE to the public) is. Not only did the Rector family generously donate the use of their beautiful lake, but also their huge garage for the kids and parents to eat hot dogs, chips, cookies and enjoy soda provided by the Optimist Club (again all FREE). Plus there were poles and bait provided. Five of my seven grandchildren and my three year old son were there and we had a ball. We couldn't have asked for a more beautiful day. Perfect weather, great family outing! I absolutely love to see that this small community is finding ways to provide fun opportunities for families to spend time together, for no cost in this trying economy. Thank you, thank you, thank you so much!!

-- Posted by SawyersMommy on Sat, Apr 30, 2011, at 2:10 PM"

-- Posted by Gal66 on Mon, May 2, 2011, at 7:11 AM

"...buried at sea" lol lol lol...

The whole thing is a lie.

I will believe them when I see the body.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, May 2, 2011, at 5:37 AM

MMA is finally coming to Marshall! May 13th at the Martin Community Center! Tickets available now!

www.FTPmma.com

-- Posted by valleygirl01 on Mon, May 2, 2011, at 4:17 AM

I sure am glad our troops will be coming home from Afghanistan now.

...and they are coming home...right?

If not, where is the new authorization from Congress authorizing the military action now in Afghanistan as required by TITLE 50, CHAPTER 33, § 1543??

...and what is our excuse now?

"Joint Resolution for Authorization for Use of Military Force": Afghanistan

http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/terro...

TITLE 50, CHAPTER 33--WAR POWERS RESOLUTION

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/u...

-- Posted by news across on Mon, May 2, 2011, at 3:11 AM

Happy May Day! A momentous day. Thanks Eric for posting the prom pictures so quickly. Great to share happy moments amidst news of tornadoes and a 9/11 flashback with Bin Laden's death.

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Sun, May 1, 2011, at 11:42 PM

O. K., Bin Laden was killed..in Pakistan, not Afghanistan. Most know that Al Quaeda is now in Pakistan, not Afghanistan. People are in the streets waving flags, and cheering in cities, and villages all across America. Let's just segue this celebration into one where we are exultant about accomplishing the original mission in Afghanistan, getting Bin Laden, thus winning the Afghanistan War.

Bring all the troops home now, mission accomplished!

If we don't do it now, it may be a long time before we have as good a chance to get unstuck from that deep muddy. We have been their ten years, that is enough.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, May 1, 2011, at 11:27 PM

Cheetah, no surprise it had to be confirmed.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Sun, May 1, 2011, at 10:47 PM

Apparently we killed Bin Laden and we have the body. Things will get really ugly over this considering the 9/11 10 year anniversary and troops in Afghanistan. Hold on folks.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Sun, May 1, 2011, at 9:58 PM

Ohio River at record height near Cairo IL, Cairo evacuated. Missouri side flood plain, 130,000 acres of rich farm also evacuated. Blow the levees, and save Cairo? Don't blow the levees, and save the crops, farm homes, etc.? A tough choice.

One thing for certain, the wild weather occuring all over the world is going to make such tough choices about how to deal with the onslaught much more common. We will be facing record breaking natural events, that cause never before seen situations for humans to deal with. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/01...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, May 1, 2011, at 5:43 PM

President Obama has released his official birth video! You can watch it here!.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/Th...

-- Posted by cheesehead on Sun, May 1, 2011, at 4:17 PM

Happy May Day!

-- Posted by Eric Crump on Sun, May 1, 2011, at 9:14 AM


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