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Speak Out November 1 to December 31, 2010

Monday, November 1, 2010

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Just a comment on the gas prices and gas guzzlers. Just because driving a vehicle has become common place in the U.S. doesn't mean that driving a vehicle in the U.S. has become a right, no where in the constitution does it say that we have the right to life, liberty, and cheap fuel prices, and a vehicle in every home. The people who are complaining about high gas prices are the same people who bought a big macho useless gas guzzler not thinking about the cost of vanity, they have made their bed so now they have to lie in it.

-- Posted by ambsun on Fri, Dec 31, 2010, at 10:35 PM

john henry, you said "there any car that doesn't guzzle gas?" Yes, I believe there are quite a few, but it depends on what you mean by "guzzle." Most cars use gas - some use it more efficiently than others. Hummers use gas like it was free.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Fri, Dec 31, 2010, at 8:02 PM

Uh John,

That was me that mentioned the price of gas in Australia and other Western Nations.

And I think you should be glad you are getting your gas as cheap as you are -- gouge or no gouge. 'Cause the rest of the World is paying through the nose for the exact same gas from the exact same non-American, Multinational oil companies you get your gas from.

Enjoy your low gas prices while they last.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Dec 31, 2010, at 7:42 PM

I saw a woman putting bags of groceries in the back of one of these today and stopped to watch her drive off. I was surprised to hear the distinct noise of a gasoline engine when she started the car. She took a long time to pull out into the traffic, but when she did the car looked respectably peppy. Perhaps Mashallites are ready to go extra small.

http://www.smartusa.com/smart-car-fortwo...

-- Posted by Ray on Fri, Dec 31, 2010, at 7:18 PM

Kathy

You make some excellent points there regarding the oil/energy situation.

Here in Australia and probably most Western industrialized nations, gas is about $5.00 a gallon. Its terrible.

Anymore I prefer to walk and use public transportation. Its cheaper, its better for one's health, and it means one less automobile on the road.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Dec 31, 2010, at 6:10 PM

Hmmm....not sure what this is: "limp wrist polly anna sob story." Ummmm...something about a gay person, a Disney movie, and a three-hankie soap opera. That's a lot to ask in just one story.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Fri, Dec 31, 2010, at 5:37 PM

No thanks, jhh - retirement is where I want to be for now. You are the one with the problem, don't you think? I'm satisfied that gas prices are up, will eventually come down again, but not to previous levels, and then will once again go up. You continue to assert it's local business owners who are responsible, when, in fact, it's a national/international issue, which was well documented in the KC Star just this morning. Thus it shall ever be.

Every American who continues to drive a gas-guzzling car, who doesn't reduce-reuse-recycle, who doesn't make a concerted effort to save as much energy as possible by installing energy-efficient windows, doors, etc., is responsible for the situation we find ourselves in today regarding energy. It's not like we didn't know, is it?

This has been going on since the 70s, when OPEC looked around at what they were being paid for oil and realized they were getting the short end of the stick. Since then, what has America done, and what have individual Americans done to improve the situation? Precious little. And let's take a look at American corporations, car manufacturers in particular. What have they done to improve gas mileage? As little as possible. Things are getting better, but it's a little late. It's hard to feel sorry for someone who owns a Hummer, isn't it?

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Fri, Dec 31, 2010, at 5:31 PM

substitute "A good buddy" for "I good buddy". I don't own a gas station and do not infer that from my post.

-- Posted by red dog on Fri, Dec 31, 2010, at 4:54 PM

Gas Prices. I good buddy owns a gas station. He said he adjusts his price according to what it costs him to get it "laid in". He said he makes price adjustments when the next load is delivered. He said he does not adjust his prices before the next load, but after the "new" gas is delivered.

He is an honorable man. He doesn't lie. He doesn't gouge. He said his supplier sets the cost by what the supplier charges for a load of gas. The price set by his supplier is driven by Wall Street.

It looks like all the local suppliers charge about the same wholesale price. As someone pointed out, sometimes Marshall prices are higher and sometimes lower.

My question about the whole mess is why wholesale cost in Marshall is higher than other localities?

-- Posted by red dog on Fri, Dec 31, 2010, at 4:50 PM

john henry's hammer: I nominate you to lead the pack. Gather your supporters and get the information you crave about how local gas station owners are "gouging us." Report back as soon as possible.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Fri, Dec 31, 2010, at 4:21 PM

outsider: Before I comment further on the subject of gas prices, or for that matter, any other subjects, I want to remind everyone that I am no longer a reporter for the newspaper. I still write an occasional column, and make other contributions when asked, but any comments I have made since Labor Day are my own.

Cat Lover - I'm very glad you took the opportunity to post comments on gas prices. It's inappropriate, in my opinion, to take local owners to task when they are not the ones responsible for gas pricing.

The list of people to blame for high gas prices, is very, very long, but it's not the local owners, you can be sure of that.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Fri, Dec 31, 2010, at 4:10 PM

Testing

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Dec 31, 2010, at 3:44 PM

They had Russel Stover ribbon candy at Hallmark in Marshall!

-- Posted by momaster on Fri, Dec 31, 2010, at 1:24 PM

Cat Lover,

Hopefully everyone will read your post regarding gas prices. It appears that wall street is predicting over $100 for a barrel of oil sometime in the begining of the new year, so this way they won't waste their time blaming local owners for the price increases. Your 9/11 story about the increase in demand for gas leading to an increase in gas prices is one some should take notes on also. I think OPEC plans on keeping production levels the same even when world consumption is increasing.

-- Posted by cheesehead on Fri, Dec 31, 2010, at 1:23 PM

Cat Lover, well put. Most people have no idea the work, dedication, headache and lack of "riches" behind a small business. Trust me I doubt anyone will take you up on your offer once they see how little you actually pocket annually.

Thank you for sharing some behind the scenes of your business. I'm guessing smaller places (business or towns) don't have the variable rates that you face, which would lead to Waverly being cheaper till their next delivery. Or maybe regulations say you guys by from someone who sells higher. No matter the case, small business isn't a get rich quick strategy.

-- Posted by Scarpetta on Fri, Dec 31, 2010, at 1:18 PM

Happy New Year to all,

Slater do you have a report for us on the very best ribbon candy? You were exploring options in that area before Christmas.

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Fri, Dec 31, 2010, at 1:12 PM

I can't believe that people think individual owners of convenience stores jack up their prices

I am one of the owners you talk about. Right now

we are making 1 cent a gallon off of gas. We order gas and when it is delivered have to pay the price the jobbers are asking the day it is delivered. If gas is lower one day but the delivery doesn't get here we have to pay the higher price if gas goes up before it is delivered. When 9-11 occurred people were lined up to buy gas. Some in town jacked up their prices. We did not. We would like to sell our store because of our age so if you think you can get rich - come make an offer.

-- Posted by Cat Lover on Fri, Dec 31, 2010, at 12:55 PM

No investigation or story is going to bring gas prices down. If you think its bad now just wait until this summer.

-- Posted by cheesehead on Fri, Dec 31, 2010, at 12:16 PM

Fair enough, Eric. That's not surprising. Thanks for the reply. Now...how about a nice, short story to the effect of "Local Gas Merchants Refuse to Discuss Prices" and name all those who were asked to comment.

-- Posted by outsider on Fri, Dec 31, 2010, at 10:51 AM

...and also, the question here is why gas is 15-20 cents higher in Marshall than in Waverly or other nearby towns. That's hardly an "international problem"....as you put it.

-- Posted by outsider on Fri, Dec 31, 2010, at 9:57 AM

Kathy, I know the history of the paper is to not make waves, but would it really hurt to make a couple of calls, ask a few questions and let us know just why the locals feel the need to jack up gas prices? There apparently is a good deal of interest in the issue.

-- Posted by outsider on Fri, Dec 31, 2010, at 9:53 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
We have done so in the past. Getting a straight answer has proven difficult. We can try again, but I also have to factor in the amount of staff time it takes chasing this particular goose. Time is a precious resource.

"I think it's abundantly clear that the blame for that mess falls squarely on the shoulders of Wall Street and the jerks that were running the housing market on greedy dreams and imagination instead of cold, hard cash and appropriate mortgage lending>"

I disagree. You completely forgot to give credit to organizations like ACORN who worked the outside part of the inside - out formula. They provided the outside out pressure, picketing banks and bankers homes, to get low rate mortgages for unqualified people, while D.C. politicians on the inside passed regulations to make banks loan to unqualified people - people that banks previously deemed "too risky." What the bankers were forced to do was clearly "under duress," and in the name of "social justice," and "social engineering."

-- Posted by Ray on Fri, Dec 31, 2010, at 8:05 AM

Cold weather is another big factor. We've had some really harsh, cold weather across the world this winter, and that drives the price of all fuels up. But it's about a lot more than just oil, or Wall Street speculation on futures. Bad inflation is predicted in 2011 as well. Deficit spending seems to be a major problem, but who wants to tell the voters that. Speculators know that actions have consequences. Politicians know too, but just blame the other party.

-- Posted by Ray on Fri, Dec 31, 2010, at 7:14 AM

About those rising gas prices...I was not surprised to see a story on the subject in the KC Star this morning. This time, the blame is being placed on (big surprise!) Wall Street traders who are speculating on where oil prices are headed. According to the story, oil is available for the "bargain" price of $92 a barrel. There's no need for a local story about a national, or even international, problem. The real story about oil can be summed up in three words: Lather, rinse, repeat.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Fri, Dec 31, 2010, at 6:02 AM

Nuke plants can be converted to conventional power plants that burn fossil fuels if we haven't developed adequate "green energy" by future decades. Essentially, the fossil fuel powered boiler replaces the reactor, and reactor loop. The vast majority of electrical energy that's produced comes from heat producing energy sources: Thermal energy -> mechanical energy -> electrical energy. Hydroelectric is great energy source, but limited, and many environmentalists don't like them. Solar, and wind farms have been wimpy energy sources, although they are planning big things in the desert southwest. We'll see. By the way, when you turn on your air conditioner the conversion is: electrical energy -> mechanical energy -> thermal energy.

-- Posted by Ray on Thu, Dec 30, 2010, at 10:18 PM

It's not really up to the paper to get involved in private businesses, but the price difference is getting ridiculous. I just bought 30 gals of gas in Waverly for $2.79. The same amount of fuel would have cost me an additional $4.80 in Marshall. Not a fortune obviously, but still my own hard earned money. Local businesses cry about "buy at home" and beg for loyalty, then turn around and rip us off. Now of course it doesn't make sense to make a trip solely for the purpose of buying gas, but I suggest that everyone who travels make it a point to buy their gas elsewhere. I'm sick of the locals. They can drink the stuff for all I care.

-- Posted by outsider on Thu, Dec 30, 2010, at 10:10 PM

john henry, you asked "Why isn't the paper investigating why gas prices are higher here than those towns around up, and why it goes up quicker?"

I don't have a direct answer to that question, but if I had to guess, I'd say that there's not a great deal of point writing a story about the obvious - gas prices go up, gas prices go down. They're sometimes higher in Marshall than other nearby towns, sometimes lower. I don't think *anyone* has a clear answer to your questions, in any case. But it's early in the price run-up, so maybe a story is in the offing.

I've been watching gas prices go up and down (mostly up, of course) for more years than I care to admit, and the only thing that's clear about gas prices is their flexibility. As to the reasons - who knows? Sometimes it's war or fears of war or just rumors of war. Sometimes it's the nice folks who sell us our gas jerking our chain. Sometimes it's nothing at all.

One thing I don't buy is the reasoning that says higher gas prices caused our latest recession. I think it's abundantly clear that the blame for that mess falls squarely on the shoulders of Wall Street and the jerks that were running the housing market on greedy dreams and imagination instead of cold, hard cash and appropriate mortgage lending. Once they all got headed down the path of credit swaps and questionable mortgage lending, the disaster that followed was probably unstoppable.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Thu, Dec 30, 2010, at 9:35 PM

Ray,

The problem with Nuclear plants are that they are dangerous even when they have top notch security programs. It is true they wont have any affect on the warming of the planet, yet the waste from these plant have to be watched over and secured for thousands of years and endangers dozens of future generations.

I significant increase in nuclear power plants also raises the issue of possible increase in nuclear arms and other countries might increase their nuclear facilities and their nuclear weapons capabilities in response to ours. Some communties have welcomed the plants, but not the wastes that occur from them.

Also most reports suggest only 30-60 years of uranium available to fuel these plants and these plants take years to plan and build, so they arent sustainable.

-- Posted by cheesehead on Thu, Dec 30, 2010, at 6:11 PM

Its simple economics people supply and demand drives gas prices that is if you believe that our free market system works.

If the number of vehicles that have high mpg ratios on the road goes up then the demand for gas goes down assuming they dont drive more than before which will cause a decline in gas prices.

If the number of low mpg vehicles on the road increases then the demand increases which causes an increase in demand which causes a RISE in gas prices assuming they don't drive less.

Its irresponsible for some to suggest that if you drive a bigger vehicle that gas prices will go down. Oil consumption is on the rise due to industrial development and rising populations. The worlds oil supply is decreasing and their will be some new finds of oil, but highy doughtful it offset the supply of oil to any large degree. The ONLY way to offset prices is to drive more gas efficient vehicles and find new ways that make us less reliable on oil altogether.

-- Posted by cheesehead on Thu, Dec 30, 2010, at 5:56 PM

We should build nuclear, electric power plants and all drive electric cars (as much as possible), then we would be in a much better position to tell, Saudia Arabia, Venezuela, Iran, Iraq, Canada, etc., "Take your oil and shove it." I realize the concerns about nuclear power and don't minimize them, but presently, only nuclear power can provide the very massive amounts of power we use. Yes, nuclear power plants aren't cheap to build either. Yes, by all means keep developing other, environmentally friendly sources of power. Yes, even to the point of taxpayer subsidies, but get the heck off foreign oil, IMO. You can Google, "where do we get our oil," if you want to know more. As far as I'm concerned it's a national security issue, but I haven't seen a responsible position on this subject from any politician in either party, IMO. Also, fossil fuels are alleged to contribute to climate change, but not nuke electric power. The U.S. Navy has had big, nuke powered ships for decades. It's time to responsibly expand the program, IMO.

-- Posted by Ray on Thu, Dec 30, 2010, at 5:39 PM

Here's another, from River Dance. I LOVE this group, and was fortunate to see them earlier this year here in San Antonio:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W22gpBv00...

-- Posted by Slater on Thu, Dec 30, 2010, at 4:46 PM

Pat Nolan,

Here's what I would expect to hear while I'm imbibing at Madigans during my spring visit north:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpOoPQ6Jm...

-- Posted by Slater on Thu, Dec 30, 2010, at 4:35 PM

I agree, cheetah. If everyone drove one of those 40mpg eco go-karts, gas would be $10/gal. The oil companies are gonna get their money. My vehicle doesn't do the best on fuel mileage but I've found that if you turn the key to the left and leave it there as much as possible, it really works out ok....and it's sure nice to be up above all the little rice burners when I'm on the road.

-- Posted by outsider on Thu, Dec 30, 2010, at 4:33 PM

Okay ENOUGH with the crying about the gas prices going up . Driving anything that takes gasoline is going to cost money no matter what . Be thankful that right now it's only 2.85 . We could be paying 3.20 like they are in the central valley in california .

Gas is not a publicly owned utility it's a free market buisness based upon supply and demand . when you drive around in giant gas guzzling vehicles your the ones responible for driving up the demand of gas, causing your own problems by driving the price of gasoline up . In closing if you cant handle the price of gasoline then maybe you should sale your vehicles and buy a horse and buggy . Problem solved .

-- Posted by ambsun on Thu, Dec 30, 2010, at 3:06 PM

Gas is now $2.85 in Sedalia. We tend to be about a week behind Marshall. I don't know why but that is the way I am seeing it.

-- Posted by daisygurl22 on Thu, Dec 30, 2010, at 10:30 AM

Sorry upsedaisy, that was meant as a reply to raysfan. I read the name above rather than below the comment.

-- Posted by Philemon on Thu, Dec 30, 2010, at 8:21 AM

Upsedaisy

I checked my math. When I already HAD TO GO to Sedalia, I only bought enough gas here to get there. Once there, I filled my tank. It's called prior planning. You are correct though, a special trip out of town just to buy gas would be rather silly.

I had hoped that tank would last till another trip to Sedalia this weekend, but now I'll be going towards KC instead. It will be a good chance to test a free app I downloaded for my phone that tracks current gas prices. Again, not a special trip just to buy gas, but planning on only buying where it is cheapest while out.

-- Posted by Philemon on Thu, Dec 30, 2010, at 8:19 AM

Warm here today Upsedaisy, after cold weather with brisk winds. It is fifty eight as I write, headed to seventy.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Dec 30, 2010, at 8:08 AM

James Stacey

FONDA, Iowa -- James Stacey, 64, of Marshall, Mo., formerly of Fonda, died Sunday, Dec. 26, 2010, in Fonda.

Services will be 10:30 a.m. Monday at St. Mary's Catholic Church in Storm Lake, Iowa. Burial will be in St. Mary's Catholic Cemetery, with military rites conducted by the Alta, Iowa Veterans of Foreign Wars. Visitation will be 6:30 to 7:30 p.m. Sunday at Fratzke and Jensen Funeral Home in Storm Lake.

RIP Crazy Jim!!

-- Posted by wheresthelove on Thu, Dec 30, 2010, at 8:00 AM

"This officer gave his all..."

The only problem with that statement is that the officer was a woman, Jillian Michelle Smith.

-- Posted by Ray on Thu, Dec 30, 2010, at 7:34 AM

"Police: Texas cop slain trying to protect child"

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/U...

I ran across this article and thought I should post it.

Its a very sad day when a police office dies in service to the public.

This officer gave his all and I believe that is what true heros are made of -- courage in the face of overwhelming, life threatening danger.

Rest in Peace Officer Smith.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Dec 30, 2010, at 3:50 AM

Retired Marine Sgt. R.Lee Ermey speaks out for "Toys For Tots" and says "times are hard." http://tinyurl.com/23qxlp2

I hope all the little children in Saline County had a Merry Christmas. Truthfully, I don't have much hope 2011 will be any better.

-- Posted by Ray on Thu, Dec 30, 2010, at 12:53 AM

Thanks OKR

Hard to tell "speak out" from "speak out politics" isn't it? Seepage or cross pollination?

Looking forward to 60s for the weekend. Marshall is getting a warm up a few days ahead.

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Wed, Dec 29, 2010, at 8:18 PM

Philemon: Check the math or bring your semi. You would have to buy 49 gallons of gas to make up for the 60 miles you drove to save .17 per gallon. (At 20 mpg.)

-- Posted by raysfan on Wed, Dec 29, 2010, at 6:49 PM

MU's reactor is a research reactor. Only one nuclear power plant in Missouri.

-- Posted by broke-n-busted on Wed, Dec 29, 2010, at 3:15 PM

Doesn't MU have a small nuclear power generator?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Dec 29, 2010, at 2:35 PM

1 nuclear power plant in Missouri. Near Fulton.

-- Posted by mu-grad on Wed, Dec 29, 2010, at 2:22 PM

I agree, Bobcat. I think a lot of people in high places are underestimating the effect the $4 gas had in helping to bring on the recession. There are a certain amount of miles that I have to drive, so I cut back on other things to be able to afford the necessary gas. Then I realized that I could do without a lot of things I used to think were necessary and didn't resume spending on those items when gas came back down....and don't miss them.

-- Posted by outsider on Wed, Dec 29, 2010, at 1:59 PM

How many nuclear power plants does Missouri have?

-- Posted by Ray on Wed, Dec 29, 2010, at 1:50 PM
Response by Pat Nolan/Staff writer:
There are at least three nuclear reactors in the Missouri.

The Callaway Nuclear plant operated by Ameren. One on campus at UMR in Rolla and one on campus at MU in Columbia.

We must now be far enough removed from the BP oil disaster that they can get away with it.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Dec 29, 2010, at 1:22 PM

talking about politics

A few years ago we went into a recesion mainly because the gas prices went up to 4 dollars again ,, looks to me like the goverment dont want us to get out of it

,,, look at where the gas is going again,,,, and guess whats gonna happen now

-- Posted by BOBCAT on Wed, Dec 29, 2010, at 12:56 PM

If you are of Polish decent as are some friends of mine, you'll be interested to know that the religion/non-religion of Marxist-Leninist, Soviet Communism has finally, officially admitted to committing war crimes, when they murdered over 21,000 Poles. The story is here. http://tinyurl.com/b2ac6b

Not only did they commit these crimes, they then blamed Germany's National Socialists (can you guess the abbreviation) for what they did.

-- Posted by Ray on Wed, Dec 29, 2010, at 3:02 AM

"How does his list of creditials in economics compare to yours Ray?

I think maybe you are practicing a little "kill the messenger" because you don't like the message."

I know who Paul Krugman is. Like I said, "Why not read Karl Marx instead?" As far as his credentials, I'm not at all impressed. Judging by his present day rhetoric, he just doesn't appear to be anything more than a mouthpiece for far left propaganda. Considering that, my education, my smarts, exceed his considerably, IMO.

Monetizing debt, as the current administration is doing, like a charlatan kiting checks is not what I consider prudent fiscal policy. Spending the U.S. into the poorhouse using credit, credit, credit, to pay for special identity politics, entitlements, social programs, debts, etc., that are beyond the means of today's taxpayers, and beyond the means of tomorrow's taxpayers is truly foolhardy snd an economic blueprint for disaster straight out of Cloward-Piven. http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/02/t...

It's all pretty clear, when we see that the end goal of every source you've posted is to destroy Capitalism and the way of life American's have known since the founding of the country.

-- Posted by Ray on Wed, Dec 29, 2010, at 2:21 AM

Oh and Ray...

Yeah you should read the "Manifesto

of the Communist Party" Karl Marx and Frederick Engels, 1848.

http://www.anu.edu.au/polsci/marx/classi...

At least then you would have an understanding of socialism that is not based in capitalist propaganda.

ALSO,

Ray I won't be posting any further responses to your comments in this Speakout Forum. However, I will be posting plenty of responses to your comments in the Political Speakout Forum.

In case you don't realize it, we tend to leave this forum for folks to discuss more local issues and we voluntarily use the Political Speakout forum that Eric so kindly provided for us. I suggest you follow our lead and join us over there mate.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Dec 29, 2010, at 12:04 AM

Ummmm...Ray...

NOBEL LAURIATE, ECONOMIST PAUL KRUGMAN list of credentials:

HIs list of credentials are quiet extensive, impressive and include the following,

BA -- Economics -- Yale University, 1974

Ph.D -- Massachusetts Institute of Technology 1977

Reagan White House -- Staff member of the Council of Economic Advisers, 1982 to 1983.

Taught at Yale University, MIT, UC Berkeley, the London School of Economics, and Stanford University before joining Princeton University in 2000 as professor of economics and international affairs.

Currently a Centenary Professor at the London School of Economics.

Member of the Group of Thirty international economic body.

Research associate at the National Bureau of Economic Research since 1979.

Professor of Economics and International Affairs at the Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs at Princeton University.

Op-ed columnist for The New York Times.

Nobel Memorial Prize in Economics, 2008

How does his list of creditials in economics compare to yours Ray?

I think maybe you are practicing a little "kill the messenger" because you don't like the message.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Dec 28, 2010, at 11:51 PM

...Paul Krugman of the New York Times. Why don't you just tell me to read Karl Marx? :-)

That was very funny. Does he ever get together with Al Gore (Mr. Global Warming) and Obama (I'm going to end the war) and have a Nobel prize polishing party? :-)

-- Posted by Ray on Tue, Dec 28, 2010, at 10:46 PM

"George Soros is a capitalist...a big capitalist."

Are you sure, or is he just "MANIPULATING" that system? Where does he spend his money on politics?

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/02/g...

"...$25 million dollars to force a presidential election his way,"

"...George Soros failed to obtain the election of his candidate, John Kerry, in 2004,"

-- Posted by Ray on Tue, Dec 28, 2010, at 10:36 PM

Uh Ray,

George Soros is a capitalist...a big capitalist. He did not personally cause the New Great Depression. However, I personally think all capitalists should swing by their necks from a rope tied to the nearest tree branch as soon as possible. All capitalists are evil as far as the working class is concerned.

If you want a good summary of how conservative neo-classical economic policies of GW Bush and the Conservative Congress caused the great depression then you might want to read the summary I posted below.

If you would like a better explanation then I suggest you read these qualified opinions from Nobel Lauriate, Economist Paul Krugman.

"The Third Depression"

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/28/opinio...

"Axis of Depression"

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/19/opinio...

"Stay the Course"

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/02/g...

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Dec 28, 2010, at 9:49 PM

I needed to go to Sedalia tonight and also needed gas, a good combination. I bought a couple of gallons here n Marshall for $2.95 before leaving, since I was low enough to not be sure and get there. Upon arrival, I filled my tank at $2.78 per gallon. Think I'll plan on another trip when this tank gets low.

-- Posted by Philemon on Tue, Dec 28, 2010, at 9:43 PM

Ray you will find my response in the Political Speak out forum.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Dec 28, 2010, at 9:25 PM

"I spent 4.5 years studing all economics...that is why I have a degree in economics."

"Also, I left a brief summary of how conservative, guided capitalism caused our economy to collapse..."

Did you make any attempt to show a George Soros involvement in that collapse? Here's a link for you (and all others) to read.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/02/g...

George Soros has a significant background in economic markets, but I have no confidence in his concern for the betterment of America (and its people) - based on his economic background. A strong background in economics, apparently doesn't equate to an "ALL WISE" economic theory, IMO.

Oh, and by the way, I have a modicum of business and finance education myself.

-- Posted by Ray on Tue, Dec 28, 2010, at 9:14 PM

"Nor did they accomplish these murders of their citizens by making their women slaves as you suggest. A woman's right to the exclusive ownership of her body has nothing to do with this discussion in any way. That is an entirely different subject and really is a dead issue since the 14th Ammendment to our Constitution guarantees every one of us the exclusive ownership of our own bodies and all our personal health decisions."

Where was my right to my body (and all those other MEN) when they were drafted and sent to Vietnam? Where's a babies right to his/her body when being aborted? Where's the father's right to his child, or the right to relinquish parenthood of the child equal to a woman? Abortionists trembled when Conner's law passed in CA. It recognized that when a pregnant woman is murdered, a second LIFE is also taken. Apparently, only some people have a right to murder babies, and the left euphemistically calls it a woman's right to choose, or a woman's right to her body. Apparently, all lives are not equal in leftist, Marx-o-centric utopia.

-- Posted by Ray on Tue, Dec 28, 2010, at 8:56 PM

Uh Ray,

I gave you some excellent links that explain the Chinese economic plan as layed out by Chairman Deng and which are working exactly as he predicted. You will find these are fully qualified sources.

Its nice that you spent some time studing the Chinese economy. I spent 4.5 years studing all economics...that is why I have a degree in economics.

I suggest your study is limited and more study is necessary to understand the very complex economic plan of Chairman Deng. The links I provided should be helpful in that endevor.

Also, I left a brief summary of how conservative, guided capitalism caused our economy to collapse... but you will have to go over to the Political Speakout forum to read it...if you are truly interested.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Dec 28, 2010, at 8:46 PM

"Well Ray you certainly are emotional aren't you?"

Not in the least, but I certainly do recognize your leftist/Alinskyesque tactic of attacking the messenger, when you are unable to debate the issues.

-- Posted by Ray on Tue, Dec 28, 2010, at 8:30 PM

"Thank you, News, for explaining to a certain poster how China's current economic structure works."

I spent all summer researching that topic, but it's clear from the "explanation" you refer to, that neither one of you have an accurate understanding of their immediate economic structure, "Communist State Sponsored Capitalism."

-- Posted by Ray on Tue, Dec 28, 2010, at 8:28 PM

Well Ray you certainly are emotional aren't you?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Tue, Dec 28, 2010, at 8:18 PM

"If abortion is the politcs of the "left" then I think it would be more than fair to say that unnecessary wars are the "politics" of the right.

So now who claims the high road? Left or right?"

That's a really easy question to answer. Just by body count alone, OVERWHELMINGLY, the left owns the low road. Are you also counting WWII as an unjust war, given A.H's. clear Socialist ties? Are you saying we should have stayed out of WWII and left that leftist, Socialist master race, permutation alone? Wasn't A.H. just doing his version of transfering the wealth?

Ironically Stalin was a bigger monster than A.H. In the Ukraine alone, Stalin starved to death 7,000,000 of his own citizens. We (the U.S.) used one monster to defeat another monster who was perceived at the time to be a bigger and more immediate threat.

-- Posted by Ray on Tue, Dec 28, 2010, at 8:14 PM

Foolhardy? That's quite a mouth full aimed at me coming from you. I do wish you'd watch that kind of language (veiled ad hominem attack) and try harder to stick to the issues. And stop using my name please. That's unscrupulous debating tactics, Alinsky style. Stick to the issues if you actually have anything of substance.

There are various permutations of Marx's political philosophy: Socialism, Communism, National Socialism, Gender Feminism, Social Democrats, etc. A.H's main propaganda man once said in print that there was very little difference between National Socialism and Communism. Yes, A.H. eliminated actual Communist and Socialist organizations, but that doesn't mean he was greatly different from them - just a competitor for power. Let's just call it the party primaries of 1930's Germany.

Cultural Marxism is rampant today in America today and that's certainly not an economic philosophy, rather a social one. Marx-o-centric ideologies are very Chameleon like. It looks like this today and that tomorrow, but always centered in Marx's corrupt ideology. There aren't that many differences upon closer examination. Marx-o-centric ideologies have unarguably destroyed more lives on earth than any other ideology. http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/

-- Posted by Ray on Tue, Dec 28, 2010, at 8:01 PM

Ray,

If abortion is the politcs of the "left" then I think it would be more than fair to say that unnecessary wars are the "politics" of the right.

So now who claims the high road? Left or right?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Tue, Dec 28, 2010, at 7:44 PM

Thank you, Editor Crump, for once again explaining the rules.

Thank you, News, for explaining to a certain poster how China's current economic structure works.

Litlmissme, did anyone show up to claim their missing pooch?

OKR, I, too, like Thea Gilmore's rendition of the St. Stephens Day Murders. Thanks for sharing it.

Ray, I have no objection to people having guns. I've had guns in the past and intend to acquire another in the near future. It's what some people do with them that invariably raises the issue of gun control.

-- Posted by Slater on Tue, Dec 28, 2010, at 7:37 PM

Uh Ray,

Hitler did not name that party. He had nothing to do with inserting the word "socialist" into the name of the NAZI Party, In fact, he first became aquainted with this obscure, conservative German political party when the Army ordered him to spy on them. He found a party that he could easily take over and change and he did just that -- creating a fascist (pro-corporation capitalist) party we now know of today as the NAZI Party.

Judging a party by its name is as foolhardy as judging a book by its title.

Do you also think that North Korea is a Democratic Republic?

After all, those words are in the title of their country.

It was Hitler's fascism -- of which capitalism is a key component of -- that defined Hitler.

In fact, Hitler hated socialists...that is why socialists were the first of many to be sent to concentration camps to die...long before he sent any Jews to die.

And Hitler was not the only fascist capitalist to murder his own citizens...Pinoche of Chili, Franco of Spain, Mussolini of Italy, the Shaw of Iran, Suharto of Indonisha...all brutal dicators with the blood of their citizens on their hands and all, like Hitler, ardent capitalists.

Its not the economic system that drives the Hitlers, the Pinoches, the Francos, the Stalins, or the Mussolinis to kill their own people but rather the lack of democracy and their own lust for absolute power that made them the killing machines they were.

Nor did they accomplish these murders of their citizens by making their women slaves as you suggest. A woman's right to the exclusive ownership of her body has nothing to do with this discussion in any way. That is an entirely different subject and really is a dead issue since the 14th Ammendment to our Constitution guarantees every one of us the exclusive ownership of our own bodies and all our personal health decisions.

Now ray, let's head on over to the Politics Speakout forum before we start upsetting folks who are not interested in these subjects.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Dec 28, 2010, at 7:31 PM

There is economic collapse in the EU and more to come unless massive bailouts are forth coming. Portugal is one name I've heard mentioned. The EU has major fiscal problems thanks to the liberal politics of Socialist entitlement programs, and thanks to the demands of unions for unrealistically high salaries and pensions - compared to China.

Why does this debate need to move to the political section? Left wing sniping is incessant here, but when someone starts refuting the lefties, then the discussion has to move? Why? No really, I'd like an answer to that pattern if it's "The Democrat News" who's saying this has to move. "Left wing sniping permitted," is that the policy? Check back in this thread and you'll see plenty of it going unanswered.

-- Posted by Ray on Tue, Dec 28, 2010, at 7:13 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Actually, sniping from any side is unwelcome, but we generally only delete when comments are directed at an individual. I've been tempted to include the insults hurled at groups, too, since individuals who identify with groups tend to take it personally when their group is insulted.

If you will look inside Mein Kamf you will see that A.H. was a Socialist, a "National Socialist" and belongs more to the left than the right, contrary to what's taught in our liberal colleges. It seems no one wants to identify with A.H. A.H's. "New Deal" gave Germany the autobahn and other social programs like lebensborn and let's not forget those death panels.

It's laughable to say one can point to dictators as evil on the right as Mao and Stalin and A.H., and even more laughable to say that Marx-o-centric ideologies like Socialism are not political. Of course, leftist America is pretty close to those guys with 50,000,000 of its citizens mass murdered through abortions. And one could argue that took place in a right wing, Capitalist country, but we know abortion is the politics of the left, now don't we?

-- Posted by Ray on Tue, Dec 28, 2010, at 7:02 PM

Ray,

All the rest of my responses to your comments will be found in the Politics Speakout section...this is a subject that is for that forum and really does not belong in this forum.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Dec 28, 2010, at 6:59 PM

Oh and Ray,

There is no economic collapse in the socialist nations of Europe...such as those in Scandanvia nor is there any economic collapse in Australia where we have many, many, many large, extensive social programs including socialized medicine.

The socialist economies in these democratic nations are doing just great with high employment, good paying jobs, and not one person in any of these countries files for bankruptcy due to medical bills -- but in those countries with few social programs and which operate entirely under guided capitalism, such as the United States, the United Kingdom, Ireland, Greece, ect, the economies are highly deflated and at best remain stagnant.

The real economic successes are those nations with strong social programs and which lean much more towards socialism than they do towards captitalism.

I don't believe that is merely a coincidence.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Dec 28, 2010, at 6:41 PM

Ray,

Despots have murdered people for many years in many countries. Right-wing, conservative capitalists such as Hitler, Pincochet of Chilie, The Shaw of Iran, Mussolini of Italy, Franco of Spain, Suharto of Indonesia, Marcos of the Philippines, and so many other right-wing dictators were all famous for the thousands and sometimes millions of People they murdered in their lust for power.

Socialism is an economic system not a political system. Evil men and women will rise to power no matter the economic system at use in their nation. In fact, why does it surprise you to learn that countries with long histories of brutal dictatorships such as Russia or China should produce as many brutal dictators during periods of socialism as they did under periods of capitalism?

Modern socialists, such as the Democratic Socialist Party of the United States of America, have long held that a socialist economy can only succeed and flourish for the long-term under a democratic government in a free and open society.

For every dictator of a failed socialist nation you can name, I can name a dicatator of a failed capitalist nation that was just as evil. But it still has nothing to do with the economic system used by them, rather it was their lust for power and the lack of a democratic government that resulted in both the Capitialist dictators and the socialist dictators -- economics had nothing do do with that.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Dec 28, 2010, at 6:32 PM

My goodness, John Henry! In your listing of "who's got the gold" and who gets elected, how in the world did you miss the Bush family??? Now that's an example of whoever's got the gold makes the rules, don't you think?

-- Posted by Miss Marple on Tue, Dec 28, 2010, at 6:21 PM

Mao was the greatest mass murderer in the world, followed by Stalin, then A.H. - all Marx-o-centric governments. That's far from the economic utopia portrayed. And nothing like being a coal miner in the Chinese utopia today. Why haven't our unions gone there and organized, then organized in all the jobs in China. See how long they'd live under that unfree country. Remember Tiananmin? China is hardly the model of anything freedom loving. It still looks like a slave state to me. And given the economic collapse that the EU is experiencing, I hardly think any European country is a model for anything America should emulate. Talk to me about Sweden after they bail out Greece for all the failed entitlements that can't be paid for.

Lastly, how about leaving my name out of it, and stick to arguing the content, not the person - or do the Saul Alinsky rules not allow that?

-- Posted by Ray on Tue, Dec 28, 2010, at 6:09 PM

Uh John,

There is no reason to rethink any of the Peoples' Revolutions. They are what they are and the historical record is there to prove what they were.

As to weapons, the Palace Guard that were in large force and protecting the King and Queen of France were all decapitated by kitchen knives weilded by common French women and women only.

The women cut off the heads of each and every palace guard and impailed the heads on sticks then placed them where the whole World could see them.

...and with nothing more than everyday kitchen knives...

The People, once they decide they have had enough of the tyrrany of the rich, cannot be stopped. There are not enough bullets to stop them nor would their children agree to shoot at them for very long.

However...

I certainly support gun ownership if that is what you are getting at.

In fact, I can't see why the States and Federal Government are regulating ownership at all -- such as prohibiting former prison convicts who have served their time from owning rifles and guns.

United States Constitution, Amendment 2 - Right to Bear Arms. Ratified 12/15/1791:

"...the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

No where in the 2nd Ammendment does it give the State or Federal Government the right to deny any free man or woman the right to own a gun. I think every adult should own and carry a gun at all times and that no free man or woman should ever have their right to own and carry a gun infringed upon in any way -- this means no need for a gun-carry permit...we don't need the Government's permission to own or carry a gun -- it is our right under our Constitution.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Dec 28, 2010, at 5:55 PM

News,

I would agree that those who have the gold may periodically change and that change may come about in many different ways. However, the rules will always be made by those who currently have "the gold".

-- Posted by What the f...... on Tue, Dec 28, 2010, at 4:47 PM

Oh and Ray,...

Its not the folks that have the gold that are the deciders in the end.

As we learned from the French, Russian, and Chinese revolutions, in the end it is the People and only the People who decide who has the gold and who makes the rules.

If you have doubts about this, you might want to check with King Louis XVI of France or the Czar Nicholas of Russia and ask them how much gold they have now...oh wait...they are dead...because the People did away with them.

Never understimate the strength or power of the People because in the end, they always win.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Dec 28, 2010, at 4:34 PM

Ray

In China the People, through their elected representitives in Government, own 51% of every business in China, and they receive 51% of all profits.

Now that is a type of capitalism I could live with lol.

What you are seeing in China is the success of one form of socialism.

I recommend you read up on Chairman Deng's economic plan which the Chinese have been following since its inception. It is commonly known through out China as "The Plan," and it calls for temporarily tolerating a moderate level of guided capitalism until the problem with poverty and homelessness are solved. It allows for the creation of a temporary, small class of rich who must give up their wealth at the culmination of "The Plan."

You can read more about The Plan here:

"Economic Development in China After Mao"

http://www.sjsu.edu/faculty/watkins/chin...

"China in the 20th Century"

http://departments.kings.edu/history/20c...

"China - Economic development"

http://www.nationsencyclopedia.com/Asia-...

In fact Ray, nations with socialist economies and/or strong social programs, such and China, Norway, Sweden, et al, are currently the modern econonic miricals of the 21st Century. While the American economy flounders and continues to deflate, and while the guided capitalism of the USA continues its boom to bust cycles, those nations with strong socialist programs and economies are doing very, very well.

Even here in Australia where we also use a guided form of capitalism, our strong social programs and our tight banking regulations prevented us from joining the USA in its economic woes. Yes we have many social programs here including socialized medicine (which is fantastic by the way) and our economy is booming. We just added 1 million new jobs last quarter and this in a country with only 22 million people.

Perhaps Ray its time Americans stop adopting the same conservative economic policies (neo-classical economics) and expecting different results. We the People need a new deal and giving tax cuts to the rich just won't get the job done. Perhaps its time we re-examain those successful jobs programs of the liberals that saved our economy during the last great depression...because one thing is for sure,

these conservative economic policies of both the Democrats and the Republicans are driving our economy and the future of our Nation into the ground.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Dec 28, 2010, at 4:29 PM

Ray,

Who is making "personal" attacks?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Tue, Dec 28, 2010, at 3:59 PM

Ray,

So, you got your "gold" through a lawsuit?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Tue, Dec 28, 2010, at 3:58 PM

"Well, there is something that trancends any politcal philosophy and that is:

"He who hath the gold maketh the rules."

So, how's that workin' out for ya?"

I'm doing fairly well, thank you, after my name was prominent in a lawsuit against the state that prevailed, S-H-O-W-I-N-G, that it is WE THE PEOPLE who make the rules if we work hard enough. You are wrong again, but at least you are consistent.

-- Posted by Ray on Tue, Dec 28, 2010, at 3:30 PM

We see again that as soon as a less than liberal starts posting on this main area, the personal (ad hominem) attacks begin.

Here's a scholarly study by a "blogger" dismantling the "FOX viewers are misinformed study." This gives us yet another example of how the left uses baseless personal attacks to obscure facts. http://www.theblaze.com/stories/blogger-...

-- Posted by Ray on Tue, Dec 28, 2010, at 3:26 PM

Ray,

Well, there is something that trancends any politcal philosophy and that is:

"He who hath the gold maketh the rules."

So, how's that workin' out for ya?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Tue, Dec 28, 2010, at 2:56 PM

Isn't it ironic how Capitalism has so enriched nations that the Chinese communists have now adopted it and are prospering? Isn't it ironic how that benevolent, Marxist utopia with their tens of millions of starving people just didn't work out? Of course, there was one Marx-o-centric utopia, after hyper-inflation and monetizing debt, that nationalized banks, car companies, health care, student loans, etc. How'd that work out for Germany after the 1930's?

-- Posted by Ray on Tue, Dec 28, 2010, at 2:01 PM

Upsedaisy it was good to hear from you. I hope all is going well, and that you are just a bit, but not totally snowbound.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Dec 27, 2010, at 11:46 PM

"Nearly 100 bailed-out banks may collapse all the same: analysis"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/12/100-b...

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424...

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Dec 27, 2010, at 8:53 PM

john henry's hammer

Yes we have the right to use reasonable force to protect ourselves from assault. We also have the right to prosecute the bad guys and put them in prison as prescribed by law and administered by a duly sworn judge.

The problem comes when folks try to use excessive force. Then they often find they too have committed a serious crime and must pay for it with time spent in prison.

Good guys can become the bad guys real quick and a lifetime of honesty can quickly change when folks misunderstand the impact of a law.

The best thing to do whenever a crime has been committed is to notify law enforcement personnel as quickly as possible -- after all they are the well trained professionals and are experts in handling crime and criminals. However, when we decide to take the law into our own hands we often find that we are now on the wrong side of the law.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Dec 27, 2010, at 4:32 PM

john henry's hammer

Thanks for posting that clarification.

You might be surprised how many folks out there think this law gives them the right to shoot anyone on their property no matter what the conditions.

We all have the right to use reasonable force to protect ourselves and/or others, but no law exists that allows us to use excessive force in that endevor.

Property can be replaced but a life, once gone, cannot be replaced.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Dec 27, 2010, at 3:29 PM

Does any one know anyone missing a part beagle mix dog? I refuse to believe that someone dumped him. He is very friendly and has jumped in several vehicles of family visiting today. He has tried to come inside numerous times telling me he is an indoor dog.

I called the radio station but they are not running pet patrol until Monday.

He is wearing a collar but has no tags.

-- Posted by litlmissme on Sat, Dec 25, 2010, at 9:06 PM

Ho!Ho!Ho! Merry Christmas everyone!

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sat, Dec 25, 2010, at 8:30 AM

"And the carcass of the beast left over from the feast,

may still be haunting the kitchen.

And there's life yet, that we may live to regret,

when the ones that we poisoned stop twitchin"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuisenFO9...

May ye have a roaring good holiday!

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Dec 24, 2010, at 4:00 PM

Ray - yes, "castle doctrine" applies in Missouri. Here's additional information:

www.learntocarry.com/docs/CastleDoctrine...

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Fri, Dec 24, 2010, at 1:54 PM

Typesetter,Yes I remember the toys. One of my favorite toys came from there. Another thing at Red Cross was the candy counter. If I remember correctly it was the first place in marshall to see Gummy Bears & Gummy Worms. I can also remember as a teenager in the mid to late 80s hanging out with all my friends on the square. We would park on the inside of the square and just have the best time visiting and doing crazy kid stuff. But we never had any trouble. At that time the Marshall PD would walk "beats" around the square. They would stop and talk to us, most of them knew us by name too. And not because we were trouble, but because they took the time to get to know us. OH, the good times, how they have changed for the kids these days.

-- Posted by Marshallgirl71 on Fri, Dec 24, 2010, at 8:25 AM

Is Missouri a "Castle Doctrine" state?

See Castle Doctrine, general explanation here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_doct...

I personally think the Castle Doctrine should not only be a Missouri law, I think it should be extended to a person's farmland as well. If that isn't the law, then the law in Missouri should be changed to make it so, IMO.

-- Posted by Ray on Fri, Dec 24, 2010, at 3:39 AM

If someone breaks into your home and they reach for their waist band, what are you supposed to do, wait until they're pointing a gun at you, then hope you get the first shot off? Often when people break into houses they go to the kitchen and get the biggest knife they can find. If they're found dead with your kitchen knife in their hand, your prints and theirs are on the knife so what will the police do then? I've even heard of cases were families of criminals have tried to sue and say a homeowner placed their kitchen knife in the burglars hand after they shot him/her. It appears Missouri is becoming like California, when it comes to coddling criminals, and that's a big mistake. Under the Constitution people are entitled to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness and that definitely includes people being secure in their own homes. From the sentiments expressed online here over the past few weeks, it doesn't sound like the good citizens of Saline County are very free anymore - even in their own homes. I personally believe that governments and criminals should fear the people, not the other way around. Maybe it's time for some legal changes to be made in law and government at the highest levels. Singapore is kind of an extreme model of a law and order society, IMO, but try comparing their crime rates to your own some time. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaBMBVpsu... I certainly would not like to see canning brought to schools, but prisons... Canning is not cruel and unusual punishment for felonious criminals, but causing people to live in fear in their own homes because of wimpy, California like laws is, IMO. America claims to be the freest country on earth, yet America has the highest rate of incarceration on earth. Yes, we've passed Russia. Something's not right. Something's not working anymore. None of this is intended as legal advice and I am not a lawyer.

-- Posted by Ray on Fri, Dec 24, 2010, at 3:30 AM

Keep in mind that one must be under threat of bodily harm to shoot someone. If you shoot someone who is on your farmstead stealing gas, diesel, or ammonia you could end up losing your farm, not just some fuel.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Dec 23, 2010, at 10:30 PM

Marshallgirl71 - Speaking of shopping on the square...do you remember what the best place in the Mattingly's store was?? It was the basement because that was where the toy department was! And, as far as the soda fountain at Red Cross goes - they had the best cherry cola anywhere!

-- Posted by Typesetter on Thu, Dec 23, 2010, at 7:24 PM

I hope the thieves of Saline County and adjoining counties are aware that quite a number of our county folks have their concele and carry permits, and we didn't take those classes lightly!! I hope to never need to use mine but I would not hesitate should the need arise--if it is them or me--I don't plan for it to be me when they are in my home or on my farmstead helping themselves to whatever they please!! The really bad thing about all this is I wonder if the bold, blatenly stupid thieves have ever read a newspaper or I guess they could check the computers they have no doubt picked up somewhere--

-- Posted by farmerwife on Thu, Dec 23, 2010, at 5:58 PM

It is my understanding the big spring in Salt Springs dried up when someone in Malta Bend went drilling for oil and hit water. I seem to recall reading that in a history of Saline County.

-- Posted by red dog on Thu, Dec 23, 2010, at 3:29 PM

History question:

Before railroads, 2 1/2 miles west of Shackelford there was a village with a post office, Salt Springs. The largest mineral spring in the county was northeast of the village. Over 100 years ago, the big spring gushed 10,000 gallons per hour. That's a lot! Where did the spring go? How close was it to Salt Branch? In Section 17 or 16? There were 3 other springs in the area, and 2 of them still flow.

Saline County history is fascinating.

-- Posted by former editor on Thu, Dec 23, 2010, at 8:09 AM

Typesetter

OMG!! Who from Marshall doesn't remember the Santa sleigh rides. When growing up in Marshall

(back in the late 70s & early 80s) on the Saturday the sleigh was scheduled in Marshall was one of the most exciting parts of Christmas. I just wish those of us who have remained here could experience that samething with our children. That was the best...a sleigh ride then off to the Red Cross soda fountain for lunch and shopping on the square. Thanks for the memories. Merry Christmas.

-- Posted by Marshallgirl71 on Thu, Dec 23, 2010, at 7:41 AM

WTF - Can't remember for sure, but I think maybe it might have been in Buckner, MO.

-- Posted by Typesetter on Wed, Dec 22, 2010, at 9:46 PM

Why are some of the news items left without a place to comment? I also find it odd that parts of the article about the couple in Slater were removed. Earlier there was a comment about finding drug related items on top of the daughter's DARE certificate, now that part of the article is gone. Why is that I wonder?

-- Posted by jamhenk on Wed, Dec 22, 2010, at 8:12 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Our policy for some months has been to disable the comment feature on crime stories. Inappropriate comments almost always vastly outnumbered appropriate comments on crime stories.

I edited the story because I received a complaint about the detail that was included and I decided the person who complained was right. It was not necessary to the story nor consistent with past practice.

someone breaks into my house, or tries to while my family is at home... 100 yards or not they will feel the heat of a speeding bullet near their body. Any closer and they might feel that heat a little closer to their heart

-- Posted by mrxray on Wed, Dec 22, 2010, at 8:00 PM

Typesetter,

Where exactly were you when you saw the remains of the vehicle? It might be worth a restoration for the right person. Can you give specifics.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Dec 22, 2010, at 7:53 PM

While taking a drive a while back my spouse and I happened to catch a glimpse of a vehicle sitting in a lot off the side of the road that appeared to be what was left of a motorized Santa's sleigh like the one that many a Marshall child boarded at Christmastime in front of the Mattingly's store on the square many years ago. I personally remember being all bundled up standing in line with either my Mom or Grandmother waiting for my turn to get on the sleigh and tell Santa what I wanted for Christmas. We always got a candy cane and a hearty HO, HO, HO from Santa as the sleigh made it's trip around the square. As both of us are Marshall natives, when my spouse and I saw the vehicle we both exclaimed, "Santa's Sleigh!!" It was fun because we didn't even know each other way back then, but we had shared experiences of being a kid in Marshall and riding on that sleigh with Santa. I thought it might be fun in the next couple of days before Christmas if others wanted to share their experiences of Christmas' past in Marshall/Saline County here on the Democrat-News blog. How many others remember Santa's sleigh, or Eastwood Street being the best street in town for viewing Christmas lights, etc. What are your hometown Christmas memories?

-- Posted by Typesetter on Wed, Dec 22, 2010, at 7:49 PM

hey news across....arent you in australia or somewhere like that? seems like you are taking an awfully big interest on what we here in small town marshall happen to be viewing. you wouldnt be trying to influence anyones political views.....would you?

-- Posted by mokey62 on Wed, Dec 22, 2010, at 12:44 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
I'm going to answer for news across only because he's already answered this sort of question so many times before. He says he lives in Australia but grew up in Marshall and remains a U.S. citizen. Geographic location within Saline County is not a prerequisite for participation on this forum.

daisygurl22

That was last night at Walmart in Sedalia. Other stations in town were cheaper than Marshall also, but a little higher than Walmart. Highest I saw was 2.79, while ours was 2.85.

-- Posted by Philemon on Wed, Dec 22, 2010, at 12:17 PM

where is gas 2.64 in sedalia?

-- Posted by daisygurl22 on Wed, Dec 22, 2010, at 12:09 PM

The library purchases books for all viewpoints and does not endorse one perspective over the other.

In supporting the Freedom To Read Act, the library does not make decisions about what individuals choose to read and likewise, does not limit access based on what individuals don't want to read.

-- Posted by Amy Crump on Wed, Dec 22, 2010, at 11:27 AM

You hit the nail right on the head Philemon, 4 t.v's on at the Y with 4 station's. It's just the left trying to force their idea's onto other's by getting rid of fox news.

-- Posted by Marshall Man on Wed, Dec 22, 2010, at 10:51 AM

Eric - It would nice to see an article informing us of the legal rights of defense as a rural property owner, if someone is trying to break into your home.

Maybe with advice from the sherriff & prosecuting attorney & possibly a hypothetical scenario for an example. Hearsay says that if you defend yourself, family or property with a firearm that you are well within your legal rights. It would be good to know if there is any truth to this, and also what the possible recourse is for taking action against the intruder.

I know Wally already said the first thing to do is call their office. That is definitely the first call to make, I agree. BUT - when you live in a rural area and an intruder is already at your door, its most likely that help is not going to be there in time for the events that are about to take place. Property owners need to know what their rights are and should they choose to defend their life & property with a weapon, they need to know what that means for them if they injure or eliminate the intruder.

I feel it would be good for both the property owners, and also for possible intruders to know what they may face when breaking into any home.

-- Posted by patron on Wed, Dec 22, 2010, at 9:52 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Good idea. We'll get on it.

While at Sedalia last night I spent some time looking through the books at Walmart. In the political section, over 90% of the books were right wing. Maybe our library is just doing a good job of buying the books that are available, and the left wing is doing a lousy job of actually writing enough books to keep up.

As far as Fox at the YMCA, Fox may not be "fair and balanced" but I think the YMCA is trying to be. I personally don't watch Fox or go to the YMCA, but I remember reading a previous post by someone who does go there saying that they have four televisions. One has Fox, one has CNN, one has ESPN, and one has a local station. To me, that sounds fair and balanced. It also sounds like someone is trying to force everyone to watch only what they approve of, but its not the YMCA.

-- Posted by Philemon on Wed, Dec 22, 2010, at 8:04 AM

I noticed that gas went up again yesterday here in Marshall, to $2.85. I went to Sedalia last night and found gas for $2.64. That's pathetic.

-- Posted by Philemon on Wed, Dec 22, 2010, at 7:53 AM

War is good business, invest your sons. We the people invest our sons and money so Halliburton and Blackwater and the oil cartels can make trillions of dollars profit. The news channels spout the offical govt line no matter how far from the facts it is. Wikileaks let some of the truth out and all hell broke loose

-- Posted by molew on Tue, Dec 21, 2010, at 10:27 PM

While reading the link posted about the books the Public Library I quickly noticed that the majority of the books were either from right wing authors or just authors promoting the right wing agenda.

Although there is some transparency with the list being given what exactly will be done to promote more fairness in the selection of these books. In my estimate about 60% of the books in the library that deal with politics are right wing books and 40% with the left. I think about 15 to 20 left wing books need to be added to deem this selection fair and balanced.

As far as Ann Coulter she may be a prolific writer but she also shares some very radical views about the widows of those fallen on the terror attacks of 9/11. She calls these widows self obsessed and states they enjoy their husbands deaths and they shouldnt speak out. This author has more political books in our Library than any other. Check out this you tube post!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YyjrhvmD...

-- Posted by miss october on Tue, Dec 21, 2010, at 9:57 PM

I have my loaded weapon ready. I say good job to the farmer protecting his property. I hope these thieves get the idea and get a job and support themselves instead of stealing from hardworking people.

It is going to be take all farmers and stay at home persons to watch thier neighborhood and call the sheriff's department at the sign of any unfamiliar vehicle in the area.

My fear in this whole thing is that the thieves could be murderers if they break into a home and someone is there.

These guys need to get caught.

-- Posted by litlmissme on Tue, Dec 21, 2010, at 7:40 PM

Careful Zeke,

Those jokes can rebound on you.

-- Posted by Interested Too on Tue, Dec 21, 2010, at 7:05 PM

Neighbors are gonna start working together on this....and there are a LOT of weapons out there. We have faith in our officers, but they can't be everywhere at once.

-- Posted by outsider on Tue, Dec 21, 2010, at 4:55 PM

Q: Why was the rubber band gun confiscated during algebra class?

A: It was a weapon of math disruption.

-- Posted by zeke on Tue, Dec 21, 2010, at 3:09 PM

Leave the shooting to the police. Our neighborhood has seen the annual influx of "perps" doing their Christmas shopping. A call of "men w/guns in the local Botanical Garden" brought three cars of police, with guns and dogs to search. They flushed two teenagers armed w/bb guns, who knew better, but wanted to shoot "stumps". Parents were grateful that the dogs were kept on leash and the police didn't shoot. The boys had heard the parental lectures more than once. "Don't take the guns off our property." Their hearing will be much better at 25 when their emotional intelligence kicks in.

Thankfully, no staff member or visitor or family pet (allowed on leashes) was injured. I personally am not comfortable w children having BB guns, but you're welcome to buy one for your child. Not a bad idea to keep it locked away when you aren't home to supervise.

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Tue, Dec 21, 2010, at 2:03 PM

"County resident takes shots at suspicious person"

Ever notice in stories like this there's nowhere to write your comments?

I for one think the owner had every right to shoot at the guy. If he didn't the guy might have come back.

-- Posted by JerBear1980 on Tue, Dec 21, 2010, at 1:24 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
We don't allow comments on stories that involve crimes.

Now when the news talks about a death it is a Nato death and then say that some of them happened to be U.S.

-- Posted by sachuning on Tue, Dec 21, 2010, at 12:59 AM

In 2010 only four percent of the major news outlets stories were devoted to the Afghanistan war.

Cited as a cause by journalists was that news budgets didn't have the money for Afghanistan coverage. Also cited was that inside the United States you've got audiences that are beginning to suffer from war fatigue. Additionally it was stated that it is a complex war, and therefore difficult to cover. http://thinkprogress.org/2010/12/20/afgh...

Let's nutshell that. The people don't care about the war anymore, we don't have money we want to waste on war coverage, and it is too hard to explain this war.

Let's compress it a bit more. The people don't give a ****, couldn't understand it if they did, so we don't spend money on it.

There ladies, and gentlemen is the kind of cancerous apathy that is killing our democracy.

In all previous wars we waited to forget our troops, and what they had done, until they had been home for a little while. Now we forget them as they continue to fight.

It is a national disgrace perpetrated by the people, and the press.

I first posted this comment on the political blog. Then I realized that it took no position on the war, and therefore there was no argumentative political postion taken by me.

Instead, it is a pure news story stating how little news coverage there is of the Afghan war, and why, as stated by those involved in news.

If any of you dare to complain that this does not belong on the more prominent, original "Speak Out" blog, and should be over in the "Speak Out" (politics) cave, do me a favor. First go out to your car, and strip that yellow ribbon off it, because you sho nuff ain't supportin the troops, and that yellow piece of plastic, meager support that it is, does not belong on your car.

In addition to all that, this may well be the only thing you will see on the Afghanistan War today, and none of us should forget, for even one day, that our troops are still there, fighting, and yes, dying.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Dec 21, 2010, at 12:02 AM

Hey mokey62...

I think I have a better idea...instead of us, the viewers, changing our behavior, how about telling Fox to try to get the news right instead of just making the news up to fit their partisain, conservative agenda?

Maybe the problem is Fox and not the viewing public or the commenters here who insist that Fox quit being the Republican Party Spokes-channel and start being what they claim they are but aren't -- a news program.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Dec 20, 2010, at 9:27 PM

"Sinners Shouldn't Serve".:) Good idea OKR. Now should that include Congress or will it continue to be the "Best Congress Money can buy?"

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Mon, Dec 20, 2010, at 9:16 PM

"Sinners Shouldn't Serve".:) Good idea OKR. Now should that include Congress or will it continue to be the "Best Congress Money can buy?"

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Mon, Dec 20, 2010, at 9:15 PM

I guess name calling is your solution monkey see monkey do

-- Posted by cheesehead on Mon, Dec 20, 2010, at 9:09 PM

i'm guessin all you folks harpin about fox news at the y swing the other way. i'm also guessin were they to broadcast your favorite "non biased" news program then the others would whine like a bunch of crybabies. give it a rest people!

-- Posted by mokey62 on Mon, Dec 20, 2010, at 6:57 PM

How many have written to the YMCA management voicing your objection to the programming on their television sets?

-- Posted by Slater on Mon, Dec 20, 2010, at 6:11 PM

Fox news being biased isn't the only problem with the network. What people need to be aware of is that its coverage is not just biased but misleading also. They claim to be fair and balanced yet there is no proof of this.

Organizations which are supposed to promote honesty such as the YMCA should not allow outlets of dishonest information to be played in view of the public.

-- Posted by miss october on Mon, Dec 20, 2010, at 5:28 PM

Regarding Fox News on TV - my not-so-humble opinion is that they are severely biased, but I still will watch. One, know thy enemy. Two, the humor factor when they go a little too far overboard.

I say leave it available to those who want some mixture of information and humor!

-- Posted by TerryM on Mon, Dec 20, 2010, at 4:06 PM

I don't like Fox Newseither, I stopped watching before Bush went out of office, you never see that channel playing on my tv, and I donot go to the YMCA, Seems if every one that is complaining about Fox News being on the tvs there would stop going, maybe just maybe the channel might be changed, they don't like losing memberships.

You have a choice , either put up with it and SHUT yuor mouth or QUIT. seems all your gripping sure isn't doing any good.

-- Posted by buttons on Mon, Dec 20, 2010, at 3:13 PM

Many of our allies allow gays to serve openly in their militaries. I haven't heard anybody complain about the help weve recieved from others during times of war. I cant remember hearing of diruptions caused by gays during wartimes.

-- Posted by cheesehead on Mon, Dec 20, 2010, at 11:30 AM

Heyyyyy...OKR...you're on to something there.

With an army of Jesus-like personnel, wars would be a thing of the past.

Matthew 26:52: "Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword."

Matthew 5:9 "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God."

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Dec 19, 2010, at 9:02 PM

Yep I heard ND. Almost all our congress people are in the middle of the mess. Dems, and Repubs.

By the way, a side note to the 15% who are against letting gays serve in the military because it is a sin. Lets see, if sinners shouldn't serve, why we might have a small enough military that we could afford it, and be more careful about starting wars on false pretenses.

Lets start a movement. "Sinners Shouldn't Serve".

:)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Dec 19, 2010, at 6:12 PM

Former Editor thank you for posting the most important information posted on "Speak Out" in a great while. Folks just do not realize the depth of the economic straits that we are in, nor how horribly the Obama Administration has failed in their efforts to set our economy right.

We have not even began to hit bottom.

It could be that they saw the Augean Stables that they had to clean, and thought tools were not available to get it done, thus resigning themselves to one term.

In my opinion they should have followed Hercules example, and flooded the filth of corruption with a river of prosecutors, but then Obama is just a weak person, and there is nothing Herculean about him.

By the way some of this information has been available on NPR. In these dangerous times it is whispering the truth in my ear every time I am in my car.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Dec 19, 2010, at 1:39 AM

Flashbacks can be interesting and entertaining:

http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/flashb...

-- Posted by Slater on Sun, Dec 19, 2010, at 12:34 AM

It's amazing what a poor job mainstream media do with certain stories. Coverage of the FDA food bill, for example, has been awful by all. In their post mortem, CNN web chose eggs-in-a-carton photo to illustrate. Typical, misleading. The FDA food bill was to cover seeds, row crops, veggies -- not eggs or meat. Eggs are the USDA's job.

It's also amazing how mainstream media have not covered realities of the mortgage securities meltdown. Of course, those big bank CEO's had no idea what their employees were doing! It's the fringe media that allow space for people like our expert University of Missouri Kansas City professors. Check out the link and ask who at NBC, CNN or FOX has covered this squarely.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/l-randall-...

-- Posted by former editor on Sat, Dec 18, 2010, at 6:28 PM

Mommyto1 - I at no time suggested this was any kind of scientific study. I merely posted it because I think it's very funny, and because it's already pretty obvious. Any other conclusions about me or what I posted are ones you have drawn on your own and are, I will politely assert, lacking validity.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Sat, Dec 18, 2010, at 12:18 PM

TYPO ALERT!!

You may notice a few typos in my comment below...such as me typing :conslusive" when I meant "conclusive."

They are a result of terrible vision and a browser with no spell check.

I appologize for any inconvience the typos may cause.

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Dec 18, 2010, at 1:18 AM

I don't need a study to tell me that Fox misinforms (lies) to its viewers...we have the memos and emails that leave little doubt to that fact.

"LEAKED EMAIL: Fox boss caught slanting news reporting"

http://mediamatters.org/blog/20101209000...

"FOXLEAKS: Fox boss ordered staff to cast doubt on climate science"

http://mediamatters.org/blog/20101215000...

"Fox Nation readers confuse Onion article with real news"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/11/fox-n...

"Apparently Fox Nation Doesn't Know The Onion Is Fake News"

http://www.businessinsider.com/apparentl...

"Sean Hannity Uses Glenn Beck's Protest Footage"

(scroll down the link page towards mid-bottom page)

(Includes videos)

http://minnesotaindependent.com/49536/ba...

"Fox News Runs Another Fake Story"

(with video)

http://current.com/15uav4c

...and frankly, too many other instances of deception, intentional and untentional, by Fox News to list here...

Certainly the tangible evidence makes clear that dumbing down of the public is on the agenda for the highly partisian Fox News. As to whether or not it actually has that effect on its viewers is a slightly different matter. However, as my old Computer Information Services Professor used to say..."garbage in/garbage out.

In addition, the Maryland Study seems to be confirmed by the NBC study which found similar results.

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Sectio...

While the Maryland Study taken by itself is not conslusive, when taken with other outstanding evidence which points in the same direction, no reasonable person can deny their does seem to be a positive correlation between what we know Fox has done in terms of intentional misinformation (lying) and the potential for dumbing down its viewers understanding of news events.

Thanks for providing the link to the Maryland Study Kathy. It was interesting, informative, and contributes to a large and growing mountain of evidence of Fox News attempts to drive conservative interests through deception and falsehoods.

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Dec 18, 2010, at 1:06 AM

The owner of Fox news Rupert Murdoch says its not appropriate for them to support any party but then donates 1,000,000 to the Republican governors asscociation!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXfpYrehA...

-- Posted by cheesehead on Fri, Dec 17, 2010, at 11:39 PM

Mommyto1 time after time studies indicate that Fox News is the most inaccurate, and come to conclusions such as watching it makes you stupid.

If all those are in error why is it that there are absolutely no studies that have come to the conclusion that Fox News is accurate, and that any others are more biased? Oh, I know all studies are done by those nasty liberals. Why? Because those on the right just know in there hearts that they are right so there is no need to examine anything. Liberals are wrong simply because that is how the right feels, studies be damned.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Dec 17, 2010, at 10:58 PM

Kathy

Please allow me to point out a few problems with the study that you posted.

First, the study you referenced should not be considered a scientific study. It is not a peer-reviewed study and it is not a study through the University of Maryland as presented. It is a study commissioned, conducted and promoted by an organization with a specific point of view. The study promotes that point of view over objective scientific research.

Specific issues with the study include: Sample size, validity checks, invalid question and answer selection and conclusions that are not supported by what data the researchers actually assembled.

The study sample is only 616 participants the standard in communications research, which is what this is, is a sample of 1000.

The study questions themselves represent examples of bias sample error. For example, the study asked respondents to estimate what most economists think then based the answer on what one small group of economists thinks. There is no corresponding scientifically valid survey to state what most economists believe either conducted or cited by the researchers.

Second, in the question regarding the economist's view of the stimulus, the researchers asked if most economists believe that the ARRA saved or created several million jobs. The bulk of the respondents said that most economists who have studied the issue believe that it only saved or created a few jobs. The researchers scored that as misinformation and therefore a wrong answer; however, what little data the researchers located directly contradicts their version of the correct answer and supports what 87% of respondents identified. This proves that the researchers were seeking a question to fit their answer, and as such, invalidates this entire body of work.

Additionally, the study claims conclusions that cannot be validated due to a lack of standard statistical checks such as Cronbach's alpha.

This study exemplifies cherry picking and intentional slanting to your personal biases.

But, I can't imagine anyone being surprised by that.

-- Posted by Mommyto1 on Fri, Dec 17, 2010, at 9:52 PM

"GOP's central attack on health reform wins PolitiFact 'Lie of the Year'"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/12/gops-...

Oh not just Bush...lol lol lol...

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Dec 17, 2010, at 9:19 PM

I love it !

The "NUTS" can't blame Bush anymore so they have to use Fox News.

"Wake up America"

...........Earl Pitts

-- Posted by jabi on Fri, Dec 17, 2010, at 8:48 PM

I wonder if maybe the library shelves seem to have more rightwing books is because the libral books get checked out more? Ya never know...

-- Posted by taxedpayer on Fri, Dec 17, 2010, at 8:19 PM

What the f and Kathy,

When there was a possibilty that a mosque might be built at ground zero fox news was on it, but when the 9/11 responders wanted help with their illnesses due to the dust and debris of the attacks, Fox news forgot about them because the party they support blocked legislation that could of helped the unsung heroes of this country which are the policemen and firefighters and all the other first responders.

-- Posted by cheesehead on Fri, Dec 17, 2010, at 8:15 PM

I see my post got pulled. Anyone care to explain why?

-- Posted by outsider on Fri, Dec 17, 2010, at 5:34 PM

As long as we're on the subject of Fox News, wherever people are watching it, this will be of interest:

http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com...

I can't imagine anyone being surprised by this. :)

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Fri, Dec 17, 2010, at 5:08 PM

Right-on OutSider, I'm tired of these cry babies on here all the time crying about Fox News on at the Y and now book's at the Library. These cat's can't have much of a life if this is how they get jollies--cry,cry,cry...

-- Posted by Marshall Man on Fri, Dec 17, 2010, at 4:04 PM

Here's the highest gas prices today:

$3.07, Caseys in Millstadt

$3.01, 7-11 in Affton

$2.99, Mobil in St. Louis

$2.99, BP in St. Louis

$2.99, ZX in St. Peters

-- Posted by taxedpayer on Fri, Dec 17, 2010, at 3:21 PM

Marshall Public Library Director Amy Crump responded to a comment about the political leanings of books in the library with a list illustrating the range of political positions represented in the collection. The list was a bit too long for Speak Out, however, so I created a separate page for it:

www.marshallnews.com/story/1688807.html

-- Posted by Eric Crump on Fri, Dec 17, 2010, at 2:24 PM

Check this out: Absolutely disgusting.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thelookout...

-- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, Dec 17, 2010, at 1:45 PM

Amy Crump,

I couldn't find anything in the link that showed there was a policy of fairness and that political biases werent and/or couldn't be used by the Libaries book selection committee or staff.

In multiple trips to the Library it appeared to me that books written with a liberal bias or by liberal authors were very few when compared to conservative authors or propagandist.

Are books chosen more often from request from the Public or by staff? What exactly is done to prevent the staff from overstocking right wing propaganda in the Public Library? I havent been to the Libary for months so maybe the selection is more favorable now than before, yet somehow I get the feeling that I would find all the new book by Palin, Beck, Savage, and Oreilly that were published but nothing to that nature on the other end of the spectrum.

-- Posted by cheesehead on Fri, Dec 17, 2010, at 10:34 AM

Oklahoma,

The local Y is still playing Fox News on one of its stations. I don't think they will change their station anytime soon unless they get hit in the pocketbook.

A source tells me that some of the Board members at the YMCA want Fox news to be the only news source on their set as all the other are biased. Some know this to be false when Fox tries to influence its viewers not inform them.

mission of the Salt Fork YMCA is

"to put Christian principles into practice through programs that build healthy spirit, mind and body for all."

We integrate the character development values of caring, honesty, responsibility, and respect into all activities, programs and facilities

-- Posted by cheesehead on Fri, Dec 17, 2010, at 10:20 AM

My humble apologies to all associated with the library. I was wrong about TV, and the library. I don't know what I was thinking.

I somehow disassociated that the original discussion was about the Y.

If my little hometown was not one of the very few of its size that has both a Y, and public library (actually two libraries) I would not have made the mistake. So it is partially Marshall's fault for offering so much. ;)

Still the documented problems that have arisen with Fox News should be of concern to the board of the Y, for the same reasons that I stated in my post.

Would that the same early, and appropriate response to questions addressed about the Y be attended as did the folks at the library.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Dec 17, 2010, at 8:54 AM

the library became politicized several years back - the graphic novel fiasco.

just sayin

zeke

-- Posted by zeke on Fri, Dec 17, 2010, at 8:33 AM

Where are the angel trees located? Thanks for the information.

-- Posted by Scarpetta on Fri, Dec 17, 2010, at 7:51 AM

I thought it was time I chimed in here and cleared up a few misconceptions.

1. The Marshall Public Library doesn't have TVs running in the library, focussed on Fox or any channel. By nature, libraries have a anti-TV slant.

2. Our collection of political books ranges from Al Franken to Ann Coulter. We have several of each in an attempt to provide a wide range of perspectives.

3. The library board does not select the materials for the library. A team of staff members does the purchasing and selection of the library materials. We have a procedure for selection of materials in our policy manual, which is a public document. You can read it in print at the library and on our website: www.marshallpublib.org.

If you have any further questions, I would be happy to answer them, either on this blog or in private.

Amy Crump

-- Posted by Amy Crump on Fri, Dec 17, 2010, at 6:44 AM

I have a hard time believing some, apparantly serious, are trying to politicize the library. Are you serious?

Libraries put it out there. It is your decision what you pick up.

-- Posted by red dog on Fri, Dec 17, 2010, at 6:08 AM

Oklahoma,

This news is a great concern, but I wasn't aware of Fox news in the Public Library. I have however noticed of the selection of books that are available. They have by far overstocked their selection of Right wing propaganda in the local library. I noticed several Ann Coulter books along with many others written to further the agenda of the right. When I asked the library employee she told me that a board decided which books they have in the Library.

It sounds like we have the same situation with Fox news as we do at the local YMCA. However and whoever is selecting the board members have done the public a disservice. Whether this is intenionally done or Right wing board members of these organizations are using their own positions of authority to influence the publics opinion of the political arena it needs to be stopped. Fox news misinforms its viewers and it appears there is a movement to push this onto us. Does anyone have ideas on how we can put a stop to this?

http://www.alternet.org/media/149193/stu...

-- Posted by cheesehead on Thu, Dec 16, 2010, at 11:24 PM

While the presence of Fox Television News in the library was discussed at great lengths recently, I don't recall the following point being part of the discussion.

I do not mean to stir the ashes of the issue, but it seems to me that a public library would do all that it could to assure that its patrons were not given facts, and information known to be false, and certainly would not want to disseminate anything that evidence shows will make people stupid. There is growing evidence that Fox does both.

As I said, I do not mean to rekindle the firey discussion. I do want to call this point to the attention of those who are in charge.

Would you allow known false information to be given to your patrons by any other source? If the answer is no, why is Fox News a special case? If there was evidence that information coming from any other library source may be making the patrons stupid, would you allow the source to remain, or would you err on the side of caution, and remove the source? If the answer is err on the side of caution, once again why should Fox News be the exception?

The following link is to one study that indicates these very things about Fox News. There are others, none of which are done by Fox's competitors.

http://www.newscorpse.com/ncWP/?p=3409

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Dec 16, 2010, at 10:21 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Just a clarification: It was the TVs at the YMCA, not the library, that generated so much discussion.

JHH: You are once again missing my point. I'm only commenting on the math, not the logic. when you're complaining about the price of gas, just make sure you're comparing apples to apples. I remember gas costing 25 cents gallon back in the days when gas from the Gulf was referred to as a cheap import. And wouldn't we love to go back to those days, when we were quite happy to be getting it so cheaply, all the while laughing at the people selling it to us for much less than it was worth. Who's laughing now, eh?

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Thu, Dec 16, 2010, at 10:02 PM

A charity bake off is being held January 17 2011 to help raise money for Alyza Smotherman the tot burned in a tub of Hot water for more details you can can visit this page thanks community of Marshall for all your support so far. http://www.facebook.com/#!/event.php?eid...

-- Posted by mtshell08 on Thu, Dec 16, 2010, at 7:55 PM

Arojr,

unfortunatly the rules of economics don't work like that. The most successful rise to the top and the less successful fall behind. The people who gouge us the least get the most buisness and make the most $$ because the consumers tell their friends where to get gouged less at the pump. Those consumers go to that c-store and buy gas and other stuff like JHH's "over priced sodas and candy bars" and make a fist full of cash on both. there is a demand for cheaper gas; when some store supplies it, we go there. The marshall stations are making it almost cheaper for me to fill up out of town. when somebody in the buisness puts up a sign that says "now selling fuel at cost" they will get all my buisness. 3 cars and riding lawn mower.

-- Posted by BigFatGuy on Thu, Dec 16, 2010, at 2:53 PM

I look at it as if u buy less gas means the company will raise the price of fuel to keep or make more profit from selling less.Think about it the goverment said need more cars with higher MPG the fuel prices and oil prices went up and never looked back.Even when oil dropped gas didn't go down.Taxes are included with the fuel price and the taxes to the state and county along with the city were less than before which only means less fuel sold so there for the fuel company will keep gas prices up to make the money.It doesn't matter what the price of fuel per gal cost the taxes remain the same per gal no matter if the cost is 2 dollars a gal or 5 dollars a gal.

-- Posted by arojr on Thu, Dec 16, 2010, at 2:32 PM

Gee, I wish I could get some of that cheap gas. St. Louis is now hovering around $2.99 per gallon.

-- Posted by TerryM on Thu, Dec 16, 2010, at 10:29 AM

Gee, JHH: I did not say the prices for an imperial gallon and a US gallon would be the same - what I said was that you must take into account that an imperial gallon is MORE than a US gallon when you're comparing the two. In rough terms, that means an imperial gallon is actually 5 quarts, where an American gallon is 4 quarts. When you're comparing prices, that matters - it does not make the prices equal and I did not say it did.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Thu, Dec 16, 2010, at 6:52 AM

Boy I feel sorry for the folks out in the Stonehedge subdivision this weekend. They have to put up with all that traffic and I hear a big spot light and now I hear they are going to set up a sound system! Tis the season!

-- Posted by momaster on Thu, Dec 16, 2010, at 6:46 AM

Lots of discussion about gas prices we can do nothing about. I know its frustrating when you travel and see the varied prices and assume the ones with the higher prices are gouging us. I guess you just need to buy a gas station to see how it is from the other side. Sorry gas stations and oil companies are in business to make money like it or not. The other side of the coin is we can stop buying gas but how many can feasibly do that?

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, Dec 16, 2010, at 5:16 AM

26er,

I haven't forgotten about your goodies, just haven't had any success spotting them. I'm going out again tomorrow to look for the ribbon candy and your favorites. Of course I'll pass along the information if I find anything. :)

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, Dec 15, 2010, at 11:11 PM

JHH,

The gas wars went out of fasion when the law changed. as I am aware you can no longer sell gas/diesel at a loss. If you could places like walmart and their petrol pushing partner "murphy" would dominate the market with lowest gas prices while holding up their bottom line with retail sales until they had a monopoly on domestic oil as well. Once they killed off all the real competition the corporation would set the price as the corporation saw fit. We (the poor people) would be in a worse pickle. getting screwed by my neighbors is a rough deal but getting screwed by the whole corporate office of the wal-mart corporation........ NOT MY IDEA OF FUN.

-- Posted by BigFatGuy on Wed, Dec 15, 2010, at 2:47 PM

To my knowledge, the owner of the Conoco's on Odell has remained the same.

-- Posted by born-n-raised on Wed, Dec 15, 2010, at 1:23 PM

please note that some of the establishments that sell fuel in marshall have changed ownership in the last few years. especially since 9-11.

just sayin

zeke

-- Posted by zeke on Wed, Dec 15, 2010, at 1:17 PM

goodfella, I am acquainted with the LOCAL station owners, and they are living much larger than most folks in town, so clearly they aren't losing too much money.

I grew especially cynical after one owner raised his gas prices significantly on 9/11. He has not, nor will he ever, get another penny from me. I should note that the other local owners did not follow suit; however, when an owner significantly raises prices overnight, its hard not to feel cynical and ripped off.

-- Posted by born-n-raised on Wed, Dec 15, 2010, at 12:46 PM

I can remember 25 cents a gallon.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Dec 15, 2010, at 11:57 AM

born-n-raised,

How do you figure you are getting ripped off? Half the time, LOCAL gas station owners are losing money on gas. Giving money to people out of town because you think you are getting ripped off makes zero sense.

-- Posted by goodfella on Wed, Dec 15, 2010, at 11:25 AM

I paid $2.74/gallon in Sedalia yesterday. That is a nickle cheaper than Marshall. Although several of the stations in Marshall are locally owned (Northside, Oasis & the Conocos), I give my business to the other guys. I would rather be ripped off by people I don't know, rather than my neighbors.

-- Posted by born-n-raised on Wed, Dec 15, 2010, at 9:59 AM

Don't compare cost per gallon in Europe with gas per gallon in the U.S. without factoring in that a gallon in Europe is an "imperial" gallon, larger by about 20% than a U.S. gallon.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Tue, Dec 14, 2010, at 8:32 PM

notgvnasht

or a $5 pack of cigarettes

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Tue, Dec 14, 2010, at 6:24 PM

Hunterfisher,

True. But they are also much better at public transportation.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Tue, Dec 14, 2010, at 3:37 PM

Have any of you checked out the price of gas in European countries? We are quite lucky here in the U.S. Gas in Europe averages $5 to $8 a gallon. $3 just isn't so bad if you think about it.

-- Posted by hunterfisher on Tue, Dec 14, 2010, at 3:27 PM

John Henry its just as expensive in Sedalia and Slater as it is in Marshall so its not just Marshall. A week ago I was in Columbia, they had the same prices as Marshall.

-- Posted by momaster on Tue, Dec 14, 2010, at 2:03 PM

wheres the story on the green extended cab toyota pickup with the 4 loaded gun in it that got stolen from caseys on eastwood saturday nite at ? was wondering if they ever found it ? and who it belonged to. and why would it have 4 loaded guns in it in the first place?

-- Posted by BOBCAT on Mon, Dec 13, 2010, at 3:36 PM

We have become an animal farm.

We no longer know help from harm.

Following now the corporate cow,

no longer caring why, nor how,

listening for the bell cow's moo,

to tell us now what to do.

Others are just a flock of sheep,

walking all day while still asleep.

Oblivious to the surrounding pack,

not seeing them as they attack.

Oh poor sheep, that safely graze,

eaten as they wander in their daze.

Will none awaken fore life is done,

will all be eaten, one by one?

I dedicate this poem to Pat Nolan, and all journalists, reporters, and investigators everywhere that swing open the gates to the pens in which we have placed ourselves. Long live a free fourth estate, in whatever fashion becomes necessary.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Dec 13, 2010, at 2:38 PM

MomandGramma I am glad you also enjoy the local history links. It gives us perspective as to how far we have come since those raw days. Thank you for mentioning it.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Dec 13, 2010, at 9:32 AM

Does Marshall (or surrounding community) verify thickness of ice for skating on? I think I read at one point Marshall had an outdoor rink. Thanks for any info.

-- Posted by Scarpetta on Mon, Dec 13, 2010, at 7:43 AM
Response by Pat Nolan/Staff writer:
As a matter of course, I would not trust any outdoor ice in Missouri. We are too far south and it does not get cold enough for long enough to properly freeze a lake or pond.

Oklahoma Reader,

Thanks for sharing that, is very interesting reading .... I as well enjoy the articles you share...again thanks

-- Posted by momandgramma on Sun, Dec 12, 2010, at 10:00 PM

You're welcome RD. I browse for Saline County history with some frequency, and will continue to share if appropriate.

I agree that it is fascinating stuff. Marshall has seen some wild, and barbaric times, and events as recently as in my grand parent's lifetimes. Crimes that occur now pale in comparison to what transpired in the second half of the nineteenth century right there in little old Marshall.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Dec 12, 2010, at 9:45 PM

Oklahome. No, I had not seen it. I am most grateful for your interest. This stuff is wonderful reading. Thank you very much.

-- Posted by red dog on Sun, Dec 12, 2010, at 7:53 PM

Can someone please tell me how a landlord in the city of Marshall is allowed to refuse to provide heat in one of his rental houses.

-- Posted by resaree on Sun, Dec 12, 2010, at 2:56 PM

RedDog if you have not already sen it you may find this interesting regarding the battle of Marshall. http://www.archive.org/stream/pastpresen...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Dec 11, 2010, at 8:49 PM

Free Blizzard for Everyone!!!!

-- Posted by Slater on Sat, Dec 11, 2010, at 8:31 PM

Winter Weather Advisory...yuck!!

-- Posted by Scarpetta on Sat, Dec 11, 2010, at 7:56 AM

There is also a breakfast with Santa Dec. 18 at the Masonic Temple on Morrow. I'll get some details and post again.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Fri, Dec 10, 2010, at 7:39 PM

Have I missed the article on the jury trial beginning in Marshall?

-- Posted by litlmissme on Fri, Dec 10, 2010, at 6:30 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
No. We didn't cover it. The accused was not from Saline County & I chose to have staff focus on other things.

Are there any places in town that are having free pictures with Santa?

-- Posted by BMSmom on Fri, Dec 10, 2010, at 2:07 PM

Tis the season to count our blessings. Despite all the grousing about Marshall, and its limitations, it gives each of its residents some taken for granted blessings.

You can breathe in a small town. So please take three, and a half minutes, click the link, draw a deep breath, exhale slowly, relax, and listen. You have earned that moment. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwsP-tXvl...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Dec 10, 2010, at 11:29 AM

Will the Optimist be holding the pancake breakfast with Santa this year? If so, does anyone know when?

Seems I may be using the wrong News source... Santa train stopped in Slater after all. (Announced on the radio as I was told)

-- Posted by nomad on Fri, Dec 10, 2010, at 10:45 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
The Optimist Club sausage and pancake breakfast with Santa is from 7 to 10:30 a.m. Saturday, Dec. 11, at the Knights of Columbus Hall. Tickets are $5 each for ten and older, under 10 is free with the purchase of one adult meal.

Parents bring your camera for a photo, eat and let the children visit with Santa. Parents must accompany the children. Walk-ins are welcome.

To Reserve your tickets, call by Friday, Dec. 10 to: Charlie's Appliance 886-9295, Viking Athletic 886-6665 or Dennis Desmond 886-5258.

You are wondering why the high gas prices?

Read this, it is the S.O.S. as always (speculators). http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/12/08/10...

Jhh, I am surprised that you are grousing about it, you being such a strong free market man. Better be careful, or you are gonna be over here in the camp with the populists. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Dec 10, 2010, at 12:52 AM

Gas in Slater, 2.83 per gallon today.

-- Posted by nouveaublogger on Thu, Dec 9, 2010, at 8:52 PM

Last model year, Ford introduced a 60+ mpg diesel-powered car into the European market, and when the company president was asked why it wasn't being offered in America, the guy said American consumers aren't interested in vehicles with diesel engines, and then when he was asked why the car makers aren't building engines that deliver 40-50 mpg, the guy said American consumers aren't interested in vehicles with that type engine, because American consumers want SUV's.

Have you noticed that GM has been hawking its new SUV? I saw where GM stock had risen to around $33. a share (a week or two ago), and the news people were hailing it as a sign of the company's resurrection.

Don't dally about buying your GM stock!

-- Posted by Slater on Thu, Dec 9, 2010, at 7:15 PM

Of course gas went down during the oil spill. Now that most of us have forgot about it's back to business as usual.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Thu, Dec 9, 2010, at 3:36 PM

Hey, John Henry, isn't that just the capitalist system hitting on all cylinders?

C-Store owners can charge whatever they want.

Isn't that the best way? Whatever the market will bear.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Thu, Dec 9, 2010, at 3:01 PM

I drove a hyundai to New York a few weeks ago and averaged about 45 miles to the gallon. my chevy gets about 28mpg. Are you telling me that the country that produced the Ford Mustang, the Electric Guitar, the Nuclear submarine, Rock and Roll, and the invisable Stealth Bomber can`t get more than 30 miles out of a gallon of gas? or even better build a car that runs on something we can produce here in the US?! Ethanol anybody? I know local growers would love to supply it and our dragging economy sure could use the influx of buisness.

-- Posted by BigFatGuy on Thu, Dec 9, 2010, at 2:58 PM

John Henry,

How much is a gallon of regular there in Marshall? I heard a report a day or two ago that the price for a barrel of crude oil reached $89., and the price of gasoline is expected to reach $3. pretty soon.

Personally, I believe the oil industry is just another part of the grand rip off of ordinary Americans.

And I'll agree about real estate prices there, maybe in all of Saline County from what I've seen.

-- Posted by Slater on Thu, Dec 9, 2010, at 9:55 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
This morning gas was still $2.79 per gallon here.

Sorry, here is the link to Garth Brooks. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TxyylhWQ...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Dec 9, 2010, at 12:27 AM

Last one on this theme, I don't want to wear y'all out.

I do need to credit Garth Brooks, and Joe Henry for lyrics, of their song Belleau Wood.

Here is Garth singing his version. Many have recorded it.

This may be one of the saddest Christmas songs ever, but it shines because it advertises the potential of ordinary humans, to prevail, at least temporarily, over the commands of the powerful.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Dec 9, 2010, at 12:24 AM

At this link is Snopes.com verification of the miraculous Christmas truce, and a detailed story from Snopes. It was sure enough true.

http://www.snopes.com/holidays/christmas...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Dec 8, 2010, at 11:30 PM

Here is the story of the Christmas truce, and a slightly different, but no less poignant song about it.

Please bring the troops home. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ptALpNhh...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Dec 8, 2010, at 11:12 PM

At this Christmas season, I offer the following song for all the soldiers everywhere that are far from home on battlefields. May peace restore their souls, may miracles end the mayhem, and may they all go home to be healed by love.

Irish Thunder, "1915". This is based on a true story from WWI. Please listen, pray for them all, if you pray at all, and fervently wish for their well being if you do not. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG8SN-Eci...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Dec 8, 2010, at 10:57 PM

outsider, how do you know this? Are you in the business?

If it's true, wow, but it really doesn't make much sense because it seems to me that all the stations are about the same as far as customer base and size of store.

-- Posted by AnneD on Wed, Dec 8, 2010, at 7:52 PM

There's been collusion going on with gas prices here for years. The big ones let the smaller ones know that business will be tough for them if they don't play along. The good part is that with it being such a mobile society, most of us are exposed to more honorable types in neighboring towns and are happy to provide them with our gas business.

-- Posted by outsider on Wed, Dec 8, 2010, at 4:50 PM

And even closer to home...Casey's in Waverly and Carrollton are 2.65.

-- Posted by outsider on Tue, Dec 7, 2010, at 10:53 AM

Thank you Oklahoma. I am going back through the history of Saline County trying to pick out the locals that had a hand at the skirmish at Marshall. All I can go on is the last names, of course. I may have something put together someday on the ancestors that survived to perpetuate the bloodline. Problematic at best, but it does provide food for thought. Once again, thank you.

-- Posted by red dog on Mon, Dec 6, 2010, at 9:19 AM

Red Dog you might enjoy this W.P. A. history of Missouri. This link is to a page that will be familiar territory to you. http://books.google.com/books?id=kiiLI5U...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Dec 6, 2010, at 12:37 AM

Jo we haven't heard from you in awhile. If you are still checking out the blogs let us know.

I hope all is well.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Dec 5, 2010, at 10:08 PM

Perhaps, a reader or the Historical Society might have pictures of the Santa sleigh? It would be fun to see it.

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Sun, Dec 5, 2010, at 10:05 PM

It seems like Santa and the sleigh were from out of town. Carrollton maybe?? Been too long, don't remember but I do think the guy was not a local. If I recall correctly, the vehicle was actually driven to Marshall on the highway. The memory is hazy.

-- Posted by red dog on Sun, Dec 5, 2010, at 7:40 PM

Thank you for the Holiday Express update. I had looked there & was hoping I needed to look somewhere else.

-- Posted by nomad on Sun, Dec 5, 2010, at 12:36 PM

I remember the sleigh well. Great childhood memories from the very early seveties. I don't know who owned it but it was really cool. Alas, it probably resides in a lonely junk pile somewhere. Seems as if it still came to town as of the early to mid-eighties.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Sun, Dec 5, 2010, at 9:40 AM

Question: Who remembers the Santa's sleigh that use to be on the square and who owned the sleigh? Some of my facebooker friends brought this up and has me curious also. It would be nice if it was still a childhood memory that the town still offered.

-- Posted by 4kids6gkids on Sat, Dec 4, 2010, at 8:51 PM

Any schedule for the Santa Train Holiday Express??

-- Posted by nomad on Sat, Dec 4, 2010, at 3:57 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
The KC Southern Holiday Express is not stopping in Saline County this year:

http://www.kcsouthern.com/en-us/GeneralP...

does anyone know the parade route?

-- Posted by mtshell08 on Fri, Dec 3, 2010, at 4:53 PM

Don't forget about the Christmas Parade tonight. Start time 6:30, come out and show your support for the kids and community members.

-- Posted by Scarpetta on Fri, Dec 3, 2010, at 4:44 PM

Eric

last night i was pulled over by county police they asked my friend to get out asked him is name and where he was where hes going and to lift up his shirt after that my friend asked whats going on they said they was looking for this guy and gave him his name. I heard through the grape vine that there was a guy that had a gun around the parkway - yerby area. do you know anything about this?

-- Posted by mtshell08 on Fri, Dec 3, 2010, at 3:12 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
I have not, but we'll check.

Do not believe anything you see on CBS TV about social security. That is per information checked by the Columbia Jouralism Review. The most respected monitor of television, and newspapers in our nation. Please read the information at the following link which explains CBS efforts to make the situation appear worse than it is. http://www.cjr.org/campaign_desk/cbs_fum...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Dec 1, 2010, at 9:56 PM

shoot - i must a got banned too

-- Posted by zeke on Wed, Dec 1, 2010, at 11:40 AM

Just a question, is there any way to change my screen name?

-- Posted by BMSmom on Wed, Dec 1, 2010, at 9:36 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Yes. Send email to ecrump@marshallnews.com or call 886-2233 ext. 17. Glad to help.

FYI:

WolfCrier has been banned.

-- Posted by Eric Crump on Wed, Dec 1, 2010, at 7:21 AM

Higher gas prices, what to do? Repeal the law of supply and demand? Or check out gasbuddy.com -- Missouri has the second lowest prices in the nation. I get about 22 mpg -- that means I can haul myself and all my stuff around for just 13 cents a mile. Still one of life's bargains.

-- Posted by raysfan on Tue, Nov 30, 2010, at 3:00 PM

What the heck is going on with gas prices? it jumped from 2.59 to 2.79 before lunch, I dont know about you all but I am getting tired of being screwed.

-- Posted by mofireman on Tue, Nov 30, 2010, at 1:03 PM

Nanadot,

Your right. How long until we are all charged and "existence tax"?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Sun, Nov 28, 2010, at 12:58 PM

ND, yup. ;D

Cheesehead you confuse me. Your sobriquet contradicts your affinity for the Chiefs.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Nov 28, 2010, at 9:47 AM

As a Chiefs fan I think the Broncos should receive the same penalty as the Patriots did. They were forced to give up a first round pick.

Will the Broncos recieve the same penalty for videotaping a 49ers team practice?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...

-- Posted by cheesehead on Sat, Nov 27, 2010, at 11:20 PM

PS... regarding jobs overseas...

Why does China keep their wages so low? Their dictatorship allows for their people to be exploited... BUT on the flip side, our horribly huge government interference on business keeps our wages artificially higher and our costs artificially higher.

On the one hand we have nations that allow their people to be exploited with low wages, poor working conditions and horrible civil rights and treatment of the common citizens just so their dictatorial leaders can look great and wonderful to the world while hiding the horrible treatment of their people.

On the other hand we have so much government rules and regulations and taxation and fees and fines and things like minimum wages and union costs that force the cost of our goods and services to be extraordinarily high in comparison.

But the question is how can we be competitive with nations who willingly allow for the exploitation and mistreatment of its citizens and still grow our economy?

-- Posted by mrxray on Sat, Nov 27, 2010, at 11:01 PM

I'm glad that some of us can pullet from somewhere. I know I was a real gobbler yesterday.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Nov 26, 2010, at 2:26 PM

Oklahoma:

Finally! Some fowl language that is digestable!

Happy Thanksgiving.

-- Posted by Interested Too on Fri, Nov 26, 2010, at 11:41 AM

Um, make that "gum", LOL, not gun. No guns for Thanksgiving. It's a day for peace.

-- Posted by AnneD on Thu, Nov 25, 2010, at 11:09 AM

Safe traveling to everyone and don't forget the Pepto Bismol for your groaning stomachs tonight!

Hint: A peppermint works just as well, the kind you get from Sonic, a candy cane, mint in a wrapper, piece of gun - whatever, mint will soothe your tummy.

I got off subject. Happy Thanksgiving and God bless us all!

-- Posted by AnneD on Thu, Nov 25, 2010, at 11:07 AM

Great pics rr3. Thank you for sharing them.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Nov 24, 2010, at 9:58 PM

Happy Thanksgiving back at you Slater, and may every turkey who has a bone to pick, chicken out until after the holidays, so that the rest of us won't have to duck. May all the hams be on a plate, also no one needs a goose anywhere else.

-------------------;)-------------------

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Nov 24, 2010, at 8:16 PM

Happy Thanksgiving, everyone!!!!

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, Nov 24, 2010, at 6:38 PM

Stunning Views Of the Galaxy

http://www.foxnews.com/slideshow/scitech...

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Nov 24, 2010, at 1:43 PM

OO, and WC you are both right. The NYT article I linked in my comment covers, several things, and is far from optimistic in its projections.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Nov 24, 2010, at 12:27 PM

OKR, might I suggest that the corporations are taking the jobs overseas (particularly in China and India) and that is the reason their profits are up and employment rates in the US are down. Maybe I am wrong but all it takes it one trip to your local Wal-Mart and a look at where all of the good are coming from and where our money is heading. Wake up America!

-- Posted by OldOwl on Wed, Nov 24, 2010, at 8:58 AM

CORPORATE PROFITS WERE THE HIGHEST ON RECORD LAST QUARTER. WHERE ARE THE JOBS? This ain't politics folks, this is our economic life.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/24/busine...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Nov 24, 2010, at 12:57 AM

Notgas, I think you done good lettin your kids watch "The Simpsons". Apparently some Christians think it is a good show. http://www.facingthechallenge.org/simpso...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Nov 24, 2010, at 12:30 AM

rr3,

Yes, I agree, and because of our biases, it behooves all of us to work that much harder at digesting what's on both sides of the coin.

If our minds are closed to doing our best to understand all legitimate sides of the issue, not much good will result. Look to the east, to Washington, D.C. for the overwhelming evidence of this outcome.

-- Posted by Slater on Tue, Nov 23, 2010, at 9:43 PM

Has anyone even considered asking or has asked to change the channel at the YMCA?

-- Posted by CEB on Tue, Nov 23, 2010, at 7:54 PM

Cheesehead the Simpsons are speaking out about Fox News? Really! That is a show I have never watched nor have I let my kids watch because the low moral standards portrayed on it. So just wondering is an animated character speaking out for or against anything credible?

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Tue, Nov 23, 2010, at 7:19 PM

You know Slater bias is a funny thing we are all biased and we all tend to see it in our favor. Don't you think?

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Tue, Nov 23, 2010, at 7:13 PM

rr3,

If you want to appear to be objective, you should express your dislike of every news source, since they're all biased in one direction or the other, some moreso than others.

I will say, however, anyone who quotes Rush Limbaugh as a credible source of ANY kind of information would have difficulty seeing through the tripe expressed by any side, in my estimation.

I'll say this much about the Marshall YMCA management and its tv news channel selections - apparently it believes the users of its facility need to be "informed," and, therefore, the televisions are set to various news channels. I don't know how anyone can concentrate on an exercise and the tv simultaneously, anyway, so it's my belief that most people using the Y ignore what's coming out of the televisions and do what they went there to do.

When I go to the gym, I take along a pair of ear plugs so that I don't have to listen to any chit chat or the other noise that occurs in the place.

-- Posted by Slater on Tue, Nov 23, 2010, at 6:54 PM

No one ever said to hate, but not really sure if thats your point. Its about speaking out against hate and racism. Even the Simpsons are speaking out against Fox news and they are on the same network. Here is the video!Fox news not racist but #1 with racists. What could possibly make this true?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/22...

-- Posted by cheesehead on Tue, Nov 23, 2010, at 6:50 PM

rr3yvo------How True, How True, sometime's the Hater's are the one's that scream it the loudest. way to speak the truth..

-- Posted by Marshall Man on Tue, Nov 23, 2010, at 6:41 PM

Cheesehead and miss october seems the one's that promote hate, racism and bigotry are those that hate Fox News. I have expressed dislike for news organizations before that are one sided to the left but never to this magnitude.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Tue, Nov 23, 2010, at 6:26 PM

So here we go again if someone doesnt like your post they try to get you to be quiet.

The good news even if someone disagrees that YMCA should keep on Fox news they still know that anyone that says Fox is just slightly tilted to the right can be totally discredited!

Marshallman this is my life and I will spend some of it speaking out against hate if I choose to.

-- Posted by miss october on Tue, Nov 23, 2010, at 5:27 PM

Yes, Fox News is still on at the Y. I personally have never seen anyone watching it. Although, if you did want to watch it you would have to read the subtitles, because even standing in from of the TV with the fm station tuned on your radio or mp3, you can't hear what is being said.

-- Posted by snorkel on Tue, Nov 23, 2010, at 4:50 PM

My gosh are we back on ripping FOX news on a T.V at the Y.M.C.A. I think it is a national news network, yes it tilt's a litle to one side but all you people ripping it tilt the other way. Hatred, , Propaganda and from the way you say a station a Good Christian wouldn't watch, hey then don't look at it, don't want anyone to tarnish their Holy Roller image. It's time for the 1 or 2 haters to get off the Y, the Board at the Y or better yet dig into your own deep pocket's build your own one sided facility play what you want on your T.V and be happy in your own little one sided world.. AMEN--GET A LIFE!!!

-- Posted by Marshall Man on Tue, Nov 23, 2010, at 4:11 PM

I don't recall ever watching this Fox news some are upset at the YMCA about. Now my curiosity is picqued. I think I will check it out. If it isn't informative, it should at least be good for a laugh. I haven't read so much about a TV show since Ed Sullivan and the Elvis debate.

-- Posted by red dog on Tue, Nov 23, 2010, at 2:37 PM

Ok cheesehead let me ask this then lets say this was CBS not Fox and an NFL game was on and someone did not like that on the TV at the YMCA

lets say because of the cheerleaders and the way they dressed or danced then it would be fine by you if they had to turn the station?

-- Posted by Gal66 on Tue, Nov 23, 2010, at 2:33 PM

Gal66

This goes deeper than just one group vs another(politics)Like miss posted Fox news promotes hatred and that is even more concerning then the propagada Fox news promotes. It should not just be those politically against Fox it should be those that call themselves Christians or just good people. It is a common good vs though who which to divide us as Amercians.

-- Posted by cheesehead on Tue, Nov 23, 2010, at 1:52 PM

Go to Wally World,

Buy a cheap universal remote. Problem solved.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Tue, Nov 23, 2010, at 1:32 PM

miss october first and formost I am a white male 40 yrs of age or older and I do not watch Fox news and I am also not a member of the YMCA but have been looking into joining only because I have a young son that I have during the summer and every other weekend and he can not go to Snap because they do not let kids under 16 in.

What is their policy just to control the political airway?

The problem I have with all the talk about the YMCA is it looks like to me one group of people ie the people that want the Fox station changed are trying to force another group of people to change.

-- Posted by Gal66 on Tue, Nov 23, 2010, at 1:17 PM

Thats a good point because the 1 television you never see anybody in front of unless all the treadmills are full is the 1 playing Fox news.

So, if no one is ever watching except for the occasional white male 40 yrs of age or older, then why exactly is it left on Fox news. It is the board and/or managment who changed their policy just to control the political airway. Yea sure someoene will now post that they watch Fox there in response to this, but there is rarely anybody watching it.

As far as being a customer if someone builds a facilty even remotely close to the size of the YMCA we will se many cancel their membership.

-- Posted by miss october on Tue, Nov 23, 2010, at 12:18 PM

Can someone tell me how the board members of the YMCA are pushing their political agenda onto customers?

Have you ever given any thought to the fact that just maybe there are other customers of the YMCA that want to watch Fox News?

Also as a customer of the YMCA you always have the right to not be a customer!

Myself I really don't see the point in watching TV while I am working out when I go to the gym to work out I bust my butt and don't have time to watch TV.

-- Posted by Gal66 on Tue, Nov 23, 2010, at 11:40 AM

rr3yvo

Thats a good question. I am a member but havent been for a while to notice if they turned this station off, but I did here several people in the community speaking about this questioning why they would allow such a station and allow board members to push their political agenda onto customers.

The YMCA states it promotes Christian values, so aside from the political arena it is Fox who promotes hate, racism, and bigotry. These are not charcteristics of any Christian like organization.

-- Posted by miss october on Tue, Nov 23, 2010, at 11:15 AM

MizMarple, Slater et al, You might enjoy checking You Tube for Stephen Fry's exposition on language. It has been rendered into kinetic typography by Matt Rogers, Perth Australia.

Happy Thanksgiving to all. I'm thankful for this forum and the Marshall Democrat-News.

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Tue, Nov 23, 2010, at 11:15 AM

Im a member of the Y and I love watching the "right wing propaganda network known as Fox news".

-- Posted by ALM on Tue, Nov 23, 2010, at 10:47 AM

Just curious miss october why you want Fox News shut off at the Y? Does a majority of members want this? or just you? I assume you are a member?

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Tue, Nov 23, 2010, at 10:28 AM

Is there any word on whether YMCA members got management or the board to take down the right wing propaganda network known as Fox news at their facility?

-- Posted by miss october on Mon, Nov 22, 2010, at 4:53 PM

Here's an off topic question- Why do articles about car accidents always say if the occupant was wearing a 'safety device'? Why not just call it a seatbelt?

-- Posted by thebirdman on Sun, Nov 21, 2010, at 9:41 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
2 reasons: That's the way it is listed on the Highway Patrol report and a safety device is not always a seat belt. Sometimes it's a helmet, for instance. But if the HP doesn't specify, we don't know which it is for sure.

mtshell08, thank you for the follow up information. So sad and my thoughts are with the child. So young. So sad.

-- Posted by momandgramma on Sat, Nov 20, 2010, at 10:05 AM

Hi mrxray,

I think all of us are on the same page. I don't think anyone was belittling anybody else. I just singled out the scholars for a change, and some others mentioned that some athletes are also scholars. They are all worthy of praise. Let's keep doing so.

-- Posted by Interested Too on Sat, Nov 20, 2010, at 9:56 AM

Instead of belittling those that wish our STUDENT athletes good luck why cant you ALSO wish those students well along with those that are NOT athletes? Are not all kids worthy of praise and extensions of good luck?

-- Posted by mrxray on Sat, Nov 20, 2010, at 8:39 AM

http://www.shrinershq.org/Hospitals/Main...

-- Posted by EiEiO on Fri, Nov 19, 2010, at 10:57 PM

momandgramma

I am a Friend of the Family.the little girl is in the burn icu her little body was burned 50%. they had to but her on a breathing tube and feeding tube. they dont know how much damage there really is. the doctors are even saying she may never walk again. The sad this is she is only 1 she turns two the 26th

-- Posted by mtshell08 on Fri, Nov 19, 2010, at 7:28 PM

Does anyone know what happened to the video store that was going to replace movie gallery? Its been a few months since it closed and I was told there would be a new business in a month or 2.

-- Posted by cheesehead on Fri, Nov 19, 2010, at 6:34 PM

MPD has been very busy as of late. Hopefully the child is ok and the fugitive is in jail where they belong, hopefully other criminals are soon behind bars too.

-- Posted by momandgramma on Fri, Nov 19, 2010, at 6:12 PM

Kudos to the MPD.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, Nov 19, 2010, at 5:04 PM

Marshall police report the incident at Walmart this afternoon was the apprehension of a fugitive who was spotted by an off-duty officer and taken into custody by on-duty officers. More information to follow.

-- Posted by Eric Crump on Fri, Nov 19, 2010, at 5:00 PM

Slater

Don't worry, I am not defensive nor do I ever yell at anyone. If you knew me you would laugh at the idea of me ever yelling at anyone. I believe in calm discourse, and I always remember that I have plenty of time.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Nov 19, 2010, at 4:56 PM

Hey Smart Dog;

Your point is valid, and I would not have felt compelled to say anything, except that the posts to athletes rarely if ever say "student athletes".

I just wanted to give a shout out to the scholars, who may or may not be gifted with feet that can kick a ball well.

I wasn't saying anything negative about our athletes. It is just my opinion that the people who try their best in the academic field don't get the 'shout outs' that athletes do...as a rule.

Therefore, I gave them one.

-- Posted by Interested Too on Fri, Nov 19, 2010, at 3:53 PM

Then it would be my suggestion that everyone stop posting provocative comments - sort of a look before you leap approach.

-- Posted by Slater on Fri, Nov 19, 2010, at 3:51 PM

Anyone hear that someone tried to rob the bank at Wal-Mart?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, Nov 19, 2010, at 3:48 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Pat just called from Walmart. Nothing appears to be amiss at the moment. Where did you here this? When did it happen? 886-223 or ecrump@marshallnews.com

Would every one just stop talking about News. It clutters the blog,and I can't find the news that I am really looking for. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Nov 19, 2010, at 2:02 PM

Marshall falls 2-1 to Smithville Great game you all

-- Posted by Gal66 on Fri, Nov 19, 2010, at 1:57 PM

It doesnt appear to me that News was belittling anyone, so not sure what all the whining is about?

If there is a post that someone disagrees with thats what this forum is for. I have also seen others post political topics on here and nobody complained. I believe they can delete the post if they want to, but they shouldnt just because some people want to put up a hissy.

-- Posted by cheesehead on Fri, Nov 19, 2010, at 10:39 AM

Personally, I'm glad that the political "discussions" were given a place of their own. This board is well rid of the nonsense that used to be posted here.

Gal66, I'm in agreement with you on your objection to News' comments to mtshell, with the following exception:

News, I believe you when you say you weren't trying to belittle mtshell's comments, but I can see Gal66's point (see your post to Mtshell which begins with, "Huh?"). If you think about it, Mtshell's post was more like a rhetorical statement, as I see it.

I've had my say, in a spirit of cordiality, so don't get defensive and yell at me.

-- Posted by Slater on Fri, Nov 19, 2010, at 10:22 AM

Marshall police confirm a child was burned Saturday, but the situation is under investigation. More information will follow when available.

-- Posted by Eric Crump on Fri, Nov 19, 2010, at 9:24 AM

Interested Too and NanaDot,

What about the scholar/athletes? You know it is possible for an athlete to make good grades. We have several, dare I say, many student-athletes in Marshall who are outstanding students.

I believe the cumulative gpa of our graduating seniors on the volleyball team is above 4.0. I would guess the gpa of the entire varsity was above 4.0.

Our varsity baseball team had at least 4 of the nine starters in National Honor Society last year and likely more this year.

Just a couple of examples for you and there are probably more.

Athletics and intellectualism are not mutually exclusive. I applaud the efforts of all kids who excel at both as it takes major effort to "make the grade" in the classroom and on the field.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Fri, Nov 19, 2010, at 8:03 AM

Gal66

I was not trying to belittle anyone.

Actually, I agreed that we need to keep the political discussions in the forum the Editor has created for those topics.

However, since most comments -- whether a political or a comment about Grandma's cookies -- take up the same relative space, I could not understand why the political nature of the comments caused her greater problems in locating the comment she sought than comments of a non-political nature. Frankly, the only logical answer was and still seems to be that she read some political comments that were not to her liking and attempted to hide that real intent -- to get them off the front page because she did not like the content of the comments -- behind a reason that could not possibly be true. I felt it was somewhat deceptive and I simply wanted to learn the truth.

However, I did not mean to offend anyone, nor did I intend for it to be a big deal. She was correct. The political comments belong in another forum, and I noted that point.

I don't think the editor or any of the staff really care one way or another what my opinon may be. They have their rules and we all have to abide by them -- including me. It is not the first time one of my comments has been deleted. When one of my comments is deleted, I just move on.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Nov 19, 2010, at 7:45 AM

News as I have told you in the past no I don't agree with a lot of your opinions but I will stand beside you and fight for your right to have and express them.

In fact I read most of what you and a few others posts on here that I do not agree with because it makes me think.

How I feel about you has nothing to do with what I posted it has to do with the belittling tone of that post and the fact that you seem to get by with it when other do not, And I think that is because the powers that be agree with your position!

-- Posted by Gal66 on Fri, Nov 19, 2010, at 7:00 AM

I can't keep up, to this blog, then to that blog. Pant, pant, pant. Help!

I feel like a little kid running back, and forth from the teeter-totter to the swing, and now they have put in a slide. I better slow down, or I will hit bottom on the totter, fall out of the swing, and crash in a heap at the end of the slide. Maybe I should just lay in the grass, and look up at the sky for a while. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Nov 19, 2010, at 12:00 AM

Eric

Do you know if anything will be in the paper about the little girl that suffered 3rd dagree burns on 50% of her body by hot water?

-- Posted by mtshell08 on Thu, Nov 18, 2010, at 11:19 PM
Response by Pat Nolan/Staff writer:
If you know something about a potential crime or newsworthy story, call us and tell us about it. 886-2233.

I'd like to break ranks with people who always wish good luck to the sports people.

I would like to wish good luck to the scholars of MHS and hope that their hard work pays off for them in life!

-- Posted by Interested Too on Thu, Nov 18, 2010, at 9:15 PM

JUST WANT TO SAY GOOD LUCK TO THE MARSHALL BOYS SOCCER TEAM TOMORROW AT SEMI-FINALS. COME ON GUYS!!!

-- Posted by captaingbb on Thu, Nov 18, 2010, at 8:25 PM

Smart Dog

An alien ship hovering over my house did cross my mind :) but I think we have tracked it down to be coming from my neighbors basement . It might be his sump pump I hope and not like from that movie The Burbs :) . Will have to ask him .

-- Posted by ambsun on Thu, Nov 18, 2010, at 6:31 PM

Oklahoma Reader

Yep...Coltrain is the greatest of all time...

His compositions are studied in advance jazz courses, and his work has become legendary to be sure.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Nov 18, 2010, at 6:04 PM

News, better late than never. Coltrane is my favorite. Some put Bird ahead of him, but not me.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Nov 18, 2010, at 5:28 PM

Good dog, pat, pat. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Nov 18, 2010, at 5:26 PM

ambsun,

This is a shot in the dark, but maybe you have a city sewage pumping station somewhere near your house. Just a thought that occurred to me out of the blue. I think these things are scattered around as it is not always possible to get the stuff to run downhill from everywhere.

There also may be some water system booster pumps around. I don't know if we have those in Marshall, but they are fairly common.

It could be one of those, or aliens preparing to come out of the ground.

LOL . . . I think.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Thu, Nov 18, 2010, at 4:04 PM

Gal66

Actually I was not belittling anyone. I sincerely wanted to know what the problem was and was attempting to find out. The only way I knew how to find out what the problem wasis to ask the person.

All appologies if I have offended anyone.

As to how you feel about me...well I don't think you know me so perhaps your feelings are more directed to my opinions. It is most unfortunate that you apparently have such negative feelings about my opinions but we all have the right to our opinions and I guess we will all just have to live with that.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Nov 18, 2010, at 3:28 PM

Ok Eric or who ever removed my post thats fine but it sure seems funny that news can say what ever he wants he can belittle people and you don't seem to mind but let someone reply in-kind and it gets deleted.

If you do not see his post to mtshell08 disrespectful then how can mine be viewed as wrong?

I did not say one word that was not true the way I and many others see it!!!!

-- Posted by Gal66 on Thu, Nov 18, 2010, at 1:39 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
If you see a post you think violates our commenting policy, please let me know: ecrump@marshallnews.com

What the f.... and Bambi

Yes we got new appliances in July . I did check those and everything plugged in and not plugged in through out the house back when we first noticed the noise . We do have a sump pump and it is plugged in and works well when it rains but it is not that either . My husband thinks it's something at one of the factory's here in town . We were curious if anyone else hears it but it sounds like it's something close to the house and we are only noticing it . Thank You for your advice and chatting with me . We will figure it out sooner or later :)

-- Posted by ambsun on Thu, Nov 18, 2010, at 10:00 AM

ambsun

Do you have a sump pump?

-- Posted by Bambi on Thu, Nov 18, 2010, at 9:32 AM

Slater--my family has been in the Miami area since the early 1900's--first time I ever heard that story of the boy and the ice. My father and his brother did haul a union soldier all the way to Malta Bend Union Cemetary for burial because a union soldier could not buried anywhere in the Miami cemetarys. Said it was so cold the iron wagon wheels squeeked in the snow as they drove to Blosser the first night and stayed all night with a family there--then to the cemetary early the next morning where only one man was there to bury this soldier and then an all day trip to get back to Miami after dark.

-- Posted by farmerwife on Thu, Nov 18, 2010, at 9:28 AM

ambsun.

Did you do any work to your house three months ago or get a new applianace or anything?

Considering the steady, yet intermittent aspect of the noise I would check your fridge and make sure it's not touching the wall. If this were this case and the fridge were touching the wall, then everytime the compressor kicks on it may create vibrations throughout the house resulting in the humming noise. Then again, maybe not. Just a thought.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Thu, Nov 18, 2010, at 9:08 AM

What the f...

Yes but it seems to be louder in side the house . Outside it seems a lighter noise .

-- Posted by ambsun on Thu, Nov 18, 2010, at 7:40 AM

ambsun,

Do you hear it outside as well as inside?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Thu, Nov 18, 2010, at 7:23 AM

I have a weird question and am hoping someone knows what I am talking about . For the past 3 months my family and I have been hearing a humming noise that lasts a couple of seconds each and goes about 7 times then stops for awhile . We hear it all day . Is anyone else hearing this also and where is it coming from ? Just curious .

-- Posted by ambsun on Thu, Nov 18, 2010, at 7:02 AM

OKR

Coltrane...excellent taste mate.

He was the best jazz musician and jazz composer that ever lived in my opinion. He was way ahead of his time.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Nov 18, 2010, at 6:48 AM

Here we are, at the midnight hour. Cold rainy outside. I am pouring a glass of wine. Putting on a little Coltrane, closing my eyes. Gonna kick back review the wonderful day that life allowed me, and close my eyes. Maybe I'll dream something wonderful...for sure I will think wonderful thoughts before I sleep...sorta prompts for a dream continuation. Join me?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1xe7FDsQ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpoyOwKJ1...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hdy5G94A...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Nov 18, 2010, at 12:03 AM

It does make sense if you read it right. It didn't stop anything from being answered. It took a long time to find my post to see if it was answered because of all the political conversations on here

-- Posted by mtshell08 on Thu, Nov 18, 2010, at 12:01 AM

mtshell08

Huh?

How did the political comments prevent somebody from answering your question?

That just makes no sense at all.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Nov 17, 2010, at 9:21 PM

i wasnt complaining cuase i didnt like the topic i had posted a question on here and it took forever to see if i had an answer because of all the political topics

-- Posted by mtshell08 on Wed, Nov 17, 2010, at 7:38 PM

momandgramma,

The Clock Nook, Concordia, MO.

-- Posted by nouveaublogger on Wed, Nov 17, 2010, at 6:36 PM

Does a reader or staff know of a watch repair place in town or close to here? It's an old pocket watch that goes back a long time about 3 great-grandparents ago. It may be that's it's beyond repair but I'd like to have it looked at. Thanks for any help.

-- Posted by momandgramma on Wed, Nov 17, 2010, at 5:19 PM

Does anyone know when the MarshallChristmas parade is scheduled--Thanks

-- Posted by farmerwife on Wed, Nov 17, 2010, at 3:10 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Friday, Dec. 3, at 6:30 p.m.

rr3yv0

Yes I agree with you in the spirit of your comment.

But I can't help but feel that mtshell08's complaint is at least technically correct. After all, the Editor has provided a perfectly good Politics Speak Out forum for political discussions.

So, while I agree with you in the spirit of your comment, I cannot fault mtshell08 for complaining.

As for me, I am heading back on over to the Political Speak out...see you there buddy.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Nov 17, 2010, at 7:00 AM

Funny how some feel it is their duty to complain about topics of discussion on any of the speak out columns. I feel it is totally up to the person in charge of the column not me. It is a privilege to to be able to post on here and actually discuss with local people or people that have family here and lived here at one time. Others discussion forums don't offer that you don't know if you have anything in common. At least one thing we have in common on here is where we live, work or have family. I like the fact I can freely discuss what I want on here and anyone that wants can comment or complain and I try to post in the correct speak out but it not up to me to complain about the topic even if it is in the wrong column that is not my job. As I said before Eric and others do a fine job letting us freely discuss if there is a problem please let them take care of it. Just speaking out.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Nov 17, 2010, at 6:34 AM

mtshell08

No there is n...oh wait...yes there is...lol lol lol.

I think everyone has shifted over there now. But remember...local politics are politics too...and I see a whole lot of those in this Speak Out. Its odd how nobody seems to complain when the topic is a local political topic.

It seems like a lot of folks only complain when they don't like the side of the aisle the political comment is coming from. When that happens, all of a sudden the issue of forum choice seems to become very important.

But don't worry mate, I will be helping you and others to make sure absolutely no politics -- especially the local ones of any kind -- are kept in the political Speak Out section too for now on by complaining loudly every single time I see any topic even remotely related to politics in this forum.

I feel confident that together we can accomplish this task.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Nov 17, 2010, at 6:05 AM

isnt there are politic blog for all of this

-- Posted by mtshell08 on Wed, Nov 17, 2010, at 1:18 AM

Cheesehead if we don't make our voices heard we will, collectively, deserve what we get.

"Reckon I better take this back over to the political blog", he said, as he rode off into the sunset.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Nov 16, 2010, at 10:01 PM

Oklahoma,

The target is now the Middle and working class.The teabaggers agenda 1)Give the middle class tax cuts only if the rich receive them 2) Take away social security 3)Take away medicare 4)Repeal Health care reform 5) Repeal the civil rights acts. Not sure that Most Americans want any of this to happen! I think our voices will be heard!

-- Posted by cheesehead on Tue, Nov 16, 2010, at 8:46 PM

A few days ago Cody Alicea, rode his bike to school with Flag flying on his bike,the JACKWAGON IDIOTS at school told him to remove the Flag. Now look what happened ! http://gatewaypundit.rightnetwork.com/20...

-- Posted by US male on Tue, Nov 16, 2010, at 6:59 PM

OKR

I am on it friend...and so are millions of other Americans who want to take our Country back from the Teabags and their Corporate masters.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Nov 16, 2010, at 4:55 PM

First they came for the smaller companies, and I did not speak out.

Then they came for the union members, and I did not speak out,

Then they came for the office workers, and I did not speak out.

Then they came for government workers, and I did not speak out.

Then they came for the midsize companies, and I did not speak out.

Then they came for the family farms, and I did not speak out.

Now, they come for my retirement security.......HELP!

HELLO? HELLOOO? Hello???

Get out of that easy chair Gray Panthers. Stop the Corporatocracy

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Nov 16, 2010, at 3:32 PM

OKR, I'm working on it! I saved the file (PDF format - yuk!), and now I've downloaded a pdf conversion utility.

Even though I've enabled the accessibility features in my Acrobat Reader program, for some unknown reason it doesn't change the color scheme as it's supposed to, so I'm trying a different approach with the converter software (trial version, and we know what that means most of the time).

I'll also check the LOC/NLS to see if it's available on some type playback format.

The world is full of ogres, is it not, some of whom live right in this country!!!!!!!

-- Posted by Slater on Tue, Nov 16, 2010, at 11:27 AM

Slater I hope you find a way to read that old 1882 history book. What happened in Saline County in the years leading up to the civil war, during it, and after, is a dramatic cautionary as to what happens when a society reaches the outer limits of polarization.

Sadly such polarization is always in place somewhere in the world. The relatively recent turmoil in the Balkans, the long run of mass murders in various parts of Africa, on, and on.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Nov 16, 2010, at 10:30 AM

My father-in-law was born and raised in Miami, MO, and he told a story about a local man (Confederate soldier) who came home during one winter to check on his family and to visit. Some Union soldiers went looking for him and when they couldn't find him, they took his son down to the river, chopped a hole in the ice, and put the boy in the water. He refused to tell where his father was, so they chopped off his fingers, and he disappeared under the ice.

Seems far-fetched to me, but who knows? Some people can be cruel and inhuman.

-- Posted by Slater on Tue, Nov 16, 2010, at 10:10 AM

Hey Slater. I had seen that site. It was all about hemp. The remnants of that agricultural period remain today as ditch weed, and perhaps residual racism. Neither has any value. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Nov 16, 2010, at 10:00 AM

Philemon,

Thanks for the tip! I'll give it a try. :)

-- Posted by Slater on Tue, Nov 16, 2010, at 9:47 AM

Slater,

It was a good read and I too had trouble with the color scheme. I ended up highlighting the text, then copying it and pasting it into MS Word so I could read it easier. I tend to cut and paste often from sites with poor color schemes.

-- Posted by Philemon on Tue, Nov 16, 2010, at 7:48 AM

OKR,

Here's a link with the Missouri slave population by county from the 1860 census. It's interesting that Saline County had the third most (due to agriculture I suppose), with Lafayette first, Boone second:

http://missouri-history.itgo.com/slave.h...

I tried your link to that book but woe I am, my poor eyesight doesn't allow me to read the manuscript (color scheme).

-- Posted by Slater on Tue, Nov 16, 2010, at 1:12 AM

is there going to be something in the paper about that man that burned thats 2 year in the bath tub

-- Posted by mtshell08 on Tue, Nov 16, 2010, at 12:09 AM

You are welcome Red Dog. The attitudes of the people of Marshall, and Saline county toward people of color at the time this book was written was shocking e. g. the punishment of the black teenager for allegedly striking a white teenager. Ibelieve that was fifteen years after the black people had been "freed".

The attitude of the author toward indigenous people was also an eye opener.

Believe it, or not we have come a long way.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Nov 15, 2010, at 10:30 PM

Oklahoma Reader. Thank you very much. I am indebted. I have started at the first and cannot tear myself away. This is good stuff. Again, Thank You.

-- Posted by red dog on Mon, Nov 15, 2010, at 8:28 PM

Red Dog: One last personal note. It seems to me that my family members, at least the ones with whom I was acquainted, had a deep satisfaction, and a sense of contentment in knowing, that they and their parents, and grand parents, had at the last, the earth turned once more, next to the nearby fields, that each in his time had personally turned earth, hands on the plough, following horses. My Grandfather told me when I was a child, one time when our family was at the Malta Bend Cemetery "Decoration Day", that he had been born in a log cabin just to the north of the cemetery.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Nov 15, 2010, at 2:33 AM

Red Dog: Revisiting the "Ohio Colony". The first settlers in the "Petitsaw Plain" were Captain Daniel Kaiser of Virginia, and George Davis of Ross County Ohio between 1818, and 1820. Further settlement was slow to develop. A few came in during the 1830s from Ohio, and Virginia. Likely because word spread about the richness of the land from those two first settlers.

If memory serves me the Lunbecks of Ross County, Ohio came to the area prior to the civil war, though at least one left to return to Ohio during the war (due to the travails of living in ripped apart Saline County). Other Lunbecks stayed throughout the war. No doubt after returning to Ross County that Lunbeck bragged about the land.

When he returned after the civil war, he was followed by many others from Ross County as well as a few from adjoining Ohio Counties. Among those from Ross County was my great grandfather who came in 1870. He was later joined by my greatgreat grandfather, by then elderly.

Malta Bend was "laid off" in 1867 by Joseph Lunbeck.

I have not yet found any of the cites using the words "Ohio Colony" to link for you. I have read it in several places.

I am including a link to an old Saline County history that covers some of the information that I have related to you. If you are any kind of a local history buff you will devour the whole thing (900 plus pages) as I have. The entire book is online (free) at this link. I have tried to link to the section that covers some of the information we are discussing. If it takes you to the first of the book go to pages 432-437 for Grand Pass Township history. You may find it in other places as well because the book sort of skips around. By the way, I think, but am not certain that land that George Davis settled became our family farm. Happy reading.

http://www.archive.org/stream/historyofs...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Nov 15, 2010, at 1:54 AM

A Message to America from Survivers of the 9/11 Attack:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHIj9wzbY...

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Nov 14, 2010, at 8:40 PM

Upsedaisy,

I have virtually no knowledge about Apple products, but it sounds like you're pretty well fixed. My daughter wanted me to get a Mac laptop, so I tried hers, but I couldn't see the screen and it doesn't change colors.

I use a scheme of white on black, and that sometimes messes up emails (the blank screen look). I was surprised to read that Windows mail, media player, and photo gallery are not integrated into Windows 7 but are now bundled separately, and for that I'm grateful.

A new PC might be a Christmas gift to myself. :)

-- Posted by Slater on Sat, Nov 13, 2010, at 11:44 PM

Slater,

You asked about touch screen technology. It's available on the I Pad, but the I Pad also has a docking port for a keyboard. My daughter hooked up a key board for my use. I liked being able to enlarge the type face. Some of my book loving friends w/vision problems enjoy reading books on Kindle et al. I have been a Mac fan since 1985.

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Sat, Nov 13, 2010, at 10:02 PM

Eric,

Yes there was four jobs listed,one in Sweet Springs, one in Carrolloton, one was week-ends only and the other one stsrted Jan.27, 2011.

My question was where is all the jobs that Mrs. Latimer was talking about in Marshall????

I believe she was blowing smoke. If there is jobs that will half way support a family in Marshall, I think she should list them, or be honest and say she made a mistake.

If an industry come to Marshall I feel they would be filled,as some of the so called lazy people would work and no they would not have to be paid top wages, just half way support their families. As high as gas is now I'm sure they would save money working close to home

-- Posted by buttons on Sat, Nov 13, 2010, at 7:24 PM

Slater,

Yes I am sure that you are correct. That would explain why he remains sitting in the video.

Interestingly enough, Mr. Brown died even earlier than Mr. Pavaratti...December 25, 2006 of congestive heart brought on by a bout of pneumonia.

The video was recorded on May 28, 2002. The concert was a benefit concert dedicated to raising money to help Angolan refugees. It was called "Pavarotti and Friends" and included a whole slew of perfomers including Lou Reed, Grace Jones, and many others.

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Nov 13, 2010, at 6:11 PM

News, I read that Pavarotti died from pancreatic cancer in 2007, so, if that video was from that time period, obviously he was sick.

I can appreciate the result, but you're the musician and have an understanding of the technical aspects necessary to create the effect.

-- Posted by Slater on Sat, Nov 13, 2010, at 4:14 PM

Slater

Well you are probably right about the song being a reflection of Ms. Newsome's view at the time.

Anyway, I think Mr. Brown and Mr. Pavaratti did an incredible job of blending the harmonics and the perfomance was amazing and flawless from a musical perspective.

One thing I noticed in the perfomance was that Mr. Pavaratti remained sitting during the entire performance. He normally would stand in previous concerts. So I think perhaps he was not well at the time. Never-the-less, both men appear to be thrilled to be performing together. Both were living legends at the time and they both knew it.

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Nov 13, 2010, at 3:52 PM

CH, thanks for the information. I suppose the maker of your genealogy software will eventually produce a patch to make it compatible with Windows.

My daughter and son-in-law are big Mac fans, but my visual difficulty doesn't permit me to use an Apple computer (they offer no accessibility features), so I'm stuck with the PC regardless of how I feel about Microsoft.

That's a good tip about printer interface. I hadn't thought about that. My printer is new - a few months old - but I don't know the answer to the question right offhand.

I went exploring and found one or two links offering some useful intormation (at first glance). When I bought this PC I opted for the free upgrade to a 64-bit processor - don't know why othehr than that it was free. I'm all about free stuff when it doesn't appear to come with veiled threats. :)

What's your opinion about the usefulness of the touch screen technology?

-- Posted by Slater on Sat, Nov 13, 2010, at 1:43 PM

News, to me the tune was like all others, in that it was intended to be a commercial success.

I wouldn't know if Betty Jean Newsone's lyrics expressed her view of life as she saw it. Maybe yes, maybe no. Either way I suppose it doesn't make much difference, but the song's title is a pretty good reflection of the social order in place at that time.

-- Posted by Slater on Sat, Nov 13, 2010, at 1:26 PM

Where is the 15 jobs that was on Missouri Career Source???

When I researched it, only 1 job was listed in Marshall. Maybe I did not go to the right website.

Maybe you can tell me which one to go to

I have a nephew that was laid off because of slow work, he has put in applications in all over MMarshall, guess what?? He has not been called as ofnow.

He is a High School graduate and most certainly

not lazy.He is willing to do any thing. So where is the jobs??

-- Posted by buttons on Sat, Nov 13, 2010, at 9:44 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
There were 4 jobs listed in the MDN classifieds yesterday. http://www.marshallnews.com/classifieds/

Stormy, no worries friend. There is always a reason either kids in school, house won't sell, or friends and family. I was just curious, thank you for answering though. Small town life does have it's pros and cons, I wish you the best and can do what's best for you and your family.

-- Posted by Scarpetta on Sat, Nov 13, 2010, at 8:40 AM

StormyLuv

I share your love of small towns and especially Marshall.

My family goes way back in Marshall's history. My Uncle's sacrifices during WWII are still posted in the Courthouse along with the many medals he earned. I was the last of my family to live in Marshall. My Grandparents lived there. My Dad and his siblings grew up there, went to school there, lived and loved there. Mom is from Arrow Rock. Yeah, small town living is definately in my blood.

And perhaps the most difficult thing I ever did was to leave Marshall to move to Australia. However, no matter where I am, no matter where I go, Marshall remains in my heart.

If you can find any way at all to stay in Marshall...then do it and all power to ya.

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Nov 13, 2010, at 2:51 AM

Scarpetta; sorry it has taken me so long to respond. We are seriously considering moving to Columbia, but as much as I gripe and moan about Marshall, it is home, and has been for many years. We don't own our home, so that would not be a problem, but getting the money together to relocate IS a problem.

And, like I said, Marshall is home. I have ties here that I would have to rebuild in another city. I am part of the local Ladies Auxiliary, I am in a few book groups (not that I get the opportunity to see them right now) and a writers group. Those I can join and redo in another city, yes. But these ladies are like family to me, and you can't get that just anywhere.

I like the small town vs. the big city. I like knowing which neighbor down the street I can count on, and which ones I can't.

-- Posted by StormyLuv on Sat, Nov 13, 2010, at 2:26 AM

Slater

Ensure the software that you use will be compatible with Win7 64 bit. I have Win7 64 bit and my genealogy software, The Master Genealogist, will not print to a Word doc nor a PDF. I have to wait for TMG to update their software. I'm reduced to txt files, remember them. Fortunately I don't print much these days, instead I upload files to web sites.

Additionally some pre-Win7 printers will also not work.

Search the Internet for Win7 issues with your software or printer.

Microsoft sticks us again. My son keeps telling me to get a Mac, but my masochistic tendencies...

-- Posted by ceh_meh@verizon.net on Sat, Nov 13, 2010, at 1:37 AM

Slater,

I don't know what Mr. Brown's views on civil rights of all people -- including women -- were.

I do know that the song "It's A Man's" World looks at modern (1966) relationships between men and women.

I also know it was written by James Brown and Betty Jean Newsome.

The lyrics were written by Betty Jean Newsome -- not James Brown.

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Nov 13, 2010, at 1:28 AM

News, I'd be willing to bet that Brown wasn't a believer in equal rights for women and probably didn't have much regard for their accomplishments.

Nevertheless, the video was interesting.

-- Posted by Slater on Sat, Nov 13, 2010, at 12:06 AM

I'm seriously thinking about a new PC, so I'm seeking critiques from Windows 7 users. Anyone care to share your thoughts with me?

-- Posted by Slater on Fri, Nov 12, 2010, at 11:57 PM

Slater

I don't think Mr Brown was saying that its really a man's World, at least that is not the story the words tell.

In it he keeps saying that for all the accomplishments of men, those accomplishments pale compared to all that women do in this World and that our lives would not be worth living if not for the women of this World.

Anyway, its a wonderful performance. Mr. Pavaratti is singing a completely different song in Italian. By chance these 2 songs are hamonic equivallents and when performed together they blend extremely well. Also, I was very impressed with the way the Italian and American back up singers are able to switch so easily between the 2 songs.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Nov 12, 2010, at 10:51 PM

James Brown, Luciano Pavarotti, you may have THOUGHT this is a man's world, but...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AshMzkafX...

{I saved this and tried to repair the two or three flaws in the audio, but with no success. :(}

-- Posted by Slater on Fri, Nov 12, 2010, at 10:25 PM

Can do Red Dog, but not at the moment.

I may be able to provide a couple of links with information. If not I will try to fill you in with my own faltering words.

For now, off the top of my head: The Ohio Colony in essence got that name for early Grand Pass Township (Malta Bend) settlers due to the Lunbeck family being from Ohio. They came first, and were followed by many others, my great, grandfather, and great grandfather among them, from one, or two counties in Ohio.

That differed from the settlement of most the rest of Saline County which was settled by many from Kentucky, a large number from Virginia. The southwest corner of the county was settled by many Germans. The area west of Marshall also had a fair number settle there that were of Irish origin. Thus we have a strong Lutheran, and Catholic tradition in that area.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Nov 12, 2010, at 7:03 PM

Oklahoma Reader. Can you tell us more about the Ohio Colony and how it affected Malta Bend?

Thanks. There is so much history in this area that is not documented.

-- Posted by red dog on Fri, Nov 12, 2010, at 5:10 PM

Livinglarge,

You are absolutely correct. Too many people don't understand that liberty and freedom applies to all, not just to them. Too many people say, "go ahead and impose sin taxes on other people's vices, but don't you dare tax my vice!" or "Other people's vices are bad and should indeed be regulated, but don't you even think of regulating my vices!" If you don't stand up for other people's rights, who is going to stand up for your rights when the time comes. And the time will come.

One thing that still has me scratching my head is that the first thing this current adminstration did was impose a new federal tax on tabacco products to fund more children in a health insurance program, but then turned around and included hundreds of millions of dollars in the stimulus bill for smoking cessation. They want to raise money through a tabacco tax and at the same time want people to quit buying tabacco?!? Common sense tells you that you can't have it both ways.

-- Posted by Reader101 on Fri, Nov 12, 2010, at 9:15 AM

I thought maybe I would share this beautiful, wonderful video with all you good folks. In particular, ladies of Marshall, this song is about you wonderful angels.

In my personal opinion, its the finest performance I have ever seen on video. Its the 2 greatest male singers of their time on stage together.

I hope everyone will enjoy it as much as I did.

"James Brown & Luciano Pavarotti - It's a Man's World"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Febr_t_qa...

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Nov 12, 2010, at 4:33 AM

NB, how good to see you again! You don't grace us with your presence very often, but when yo do, you always have some insight to impart to us. I'm one who thanks you for sharing your thoughts.

I'd never heard of that game until I happened onto that video commercial. I'll have to ask some of my female classmates if they know about it. :)

I forgot to check out your purple and gold picnic tables! Well, I'll have to do that in the spring.

-- Posted by Slater on Fri, Nov 12, 2010, at 12:00 AM

News Across and Scarpetta, thanks for the kudos. I suppose I should state that I no longer live in Marshall, but I am not that far away. However, I still consider Marshall 'home' and have relatives that are still there. I was completely and totally outraged about Ms. Latimer's "appointment" as City Administrator, and outraged at the City Council. Apparently I was not alone, as many people commented on it in the forum. However, when elections took place directly after her appointment, that same people held their positions, but one. I guess that is a start. If, I still lived in Marshall, you bet I would be at those council meetings, asking questions, all the time and every meeting. I would also like to state that personally I do not know Ms. Latimer, have never met her. She may be a fine lady. It just blew my mind that the citizens of Marshall have let this happen, some cheering on the sidelines, even more grumbling about it, but no one doing anything about it!

Slater...how very eloquent your remarks were! And, yes...I remember that game, but never played it (thank goodness)! :).

-- Posted by nouveaublogger on Thu, Nov 11, 2010, at 10:41 PM

Born-n-Raised, thanks for the compliment. I suppose some days my own guilt rises above the threshold and I give myself a little talking to. :)

-- Posted by Slater on Thu, Nov 11, 2010, at 10:23 PM

I heard that as of Jan 2012 cigarette packages had to start labeling 50% of the package with black lungs, dead people killed by lung cancer, statements such as "smoking kills me" "This is killing me.....If this is true then I want to know when they(the government)is going to put photos of kids/people killed on the side of phones because deaths caused by cell phones has became ridiculous. Any car you pass on any given road...someone has a phone plastered to their face. What about the side of beer cans..Are they going to make beer companies put photos of people waiting to have a liver transplant or pictures of people killed by drunk drivers? I personally think smoking is ABSOLUTELY no different from the anything else. The people that would beg to offer... have abvisouly forgotten that "WE" as AMERICANS have the choice to smoke just as people have the right to drink or anything else!! Once again trying to regulate us in anyway they can. Pay more taxes.....What about people who choose to never work, make babies after babies, soak up welfare....let the tax payers support them, & not have to drug test? What about school teachers...You have to have a drug test to work almost anywhere you apply..but NOT school teachers. Where is the line drawn? Some one....try to explain this one!!

-- Posted by livinglarge on Thu, Nov 11, 2010, at 8:27 PM

Well said, Slater.

-- Posted by born-n-raised on Thu, Nov 11, 2010, at 4:59 PM

Something else to consider on the employment issue to take into account how many people are under employed in Marshall because of lack of opportunity.

I know for example numerous people with degrees, working in a factory doing a job that a high school drop out could do.

Why? They have family obligations or they like the country atmophere here over the hussle and bussle over a city.

I think the city should take a poll and realize that unemployment accompanied by under employment has created a "poor" community.

If there were more employment opportunities some of the employers here in town would have to step it up to maintain the employment pool that is available.

-- Posted by litlmissme on Thu, Nov 11, 2010, at 4:55 PM

StormyLuv, I realize you don't have to answer this...I'm just curious...why not relocate to Columbia?

-- Posted by Scarpetta on Thu, Nov 11, 2010, at 3:37 PM

Does anyone remember this board game?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHsQpTbQ9...

-- Posted by Slater on Thu, Nov 11, 2010, at 3:34 PM

Definition of the slang term, cop-out:

1. An excuse for inaction or evasion;

2. A failure to fulfill a commitment or responsibility or to squarely face difficulties.

Connie Latimer's statement with respect to new industry for Marshall/Saline County is a cop-out.

City leaders who make lame excuses for not tackling the hard issues, like the local economy and full employment, are guilty of copping out.

I've stated my perception of the economic development group, but that's all it is, since I have no documentation to bolster my impression. I did read on this board that no industry, like the Wilsons plant for example, has settled in the county during the past decade or longer. I wonder if that organization is responsible for ANY industry locating in Marshall or within the county?

My point is that it's always easier to look the other way instead of facing an issue and seeing it through to its conclusion, plus or minus.

Likewise, citizens dismissing those individuals who appear to lack an interest in self-sufficiency are guilty of copping out. It's always easier to say, "I'm just one person and I can't make a difference," or, "THOSE people are too lazy to get a job." Right now, a percentage of those reading my words are calling me naive or idealistic (or maybe something unprintable), and that meets the definition of the word at the top of this commentary.

One shortcoming of living in America is that all of us have it too easy. We've been conditioned to let someone else deal with the difficult issues of our society, but then we complain when things don't go to suit us. If we don't get involved in trying to make life better for everyone, then we're no different from those we accuse of being lazy and unwilling to pull their own weight.

All cities of every size face the same set of problems these days, but the administrations of some are more willing and adept at attaining satisfactory solutions by working to resolve the difficult issues rather than to turn their backs.

I'm not singling out the city of Marshall and its citizens, since we could be discussing Anywhere, America. One of our obligations as American citizens is to do whatever we can to contribute to the welfare of our country and its people. At the end of the day if we can honestly say to ourselves that we've given our small part of America all we have to give, then no one can accuse of us "copping out."

-- Posted by Slater on Thu, Nov 11, 2010, at 3:00 PM

Farmerwife, if you are using the web to read the Democrat News, try this link for daily local commodity prices. It is updated around 4:00 PM Mon-Fri. Caution: Once is a great while a price will be in error. Usually reliable, though.

http://www.ams.usda.gov/mnreports/jc_gr1...

-- Posted by Bob Kennedy on Thu, Nov 11, 2010, at 2:43 PM

I just have to say something about working in another town. Even though I type 71 words a minute and I have a working knowledge of Microsoft Office 7, I cannot get a job here in Marshall. Trust me, if I could I would be more than happy not to pay out all that extra gas money and stay right here. If the jobs were here, we would stay here. As it is, we spend most of our time on the rode, traveling back and forth to Columbia. That is just not right.

-- Posted by StormyLuv on Thu, Nov 11, 2010, at 1:32 PM

Muffin your right there are a lot of people here and every where else that just dont want to work period.

But there are a lot of people here in Marshall that do drive to work in other towns around here if you ask them why that is they for the most part can not find a good enough paying job here in Marshall.

Case in point there is one business here in town that ran an ad needing help a few weeks ago but the problem is the same day there was an ad for a place in Sedalia doing the same job but it was for a lot more money.

If you have been around here long enough you may well remember when Wilsons came to town in the early 70's as someone else said in another post there was a large influx of people moving into Marshall for those jobs.

Scarpetta said "I was once told "if you don't vote you can't complain", so I vote..."

Who ever told you that put you on the right path!!!

-- Posted by Gal66 on Thu, Nov 11, 2010, at 11:49 AM

Farmerwife,

It is my fault, not Eric's, that the markets weren't updated. I totally forgot to do it on Monday when I laid out the Ag page.

They will always be a week behind, however, because we use the markets from the week before. We are working on a way to update them daily. I am glad to see you are reading the Agriculture page and I will do a better job in the future keeping it updated. I hope you give it another chance in the future.

Thank you for your comments.

Marcia

-- Posted by Marcia Gorrell on Thu, Nov 11, 2010, at 11:40 AM

Interesting how those commenting have all the answers. Face it, there is, and always will be, a pool of people who will be on unemployment because they have grown up in a culture where government handouts are expected.

A "real" workforce just isn't here to support another industry. Any industry looking at Marshall can find out for them self what the unemployment rate is here, jobs currently offered. Should we have another industry come to Marshall wouldn't it would be a swap in employment with folks moving from current jobs to what that industry might be thereby leaving current industry in a position with no workforce and perhaps facing relocating?

How can we expect our local leaders to develop a plan to "make people work" when the larger culprit is our federal government and the American people who only want to work when they want, for their "ideal" pay rate at their "ideal" job. I agree, folks want a job that is 9 to 5 Monday through Friday where they don't have to get dirty or work too hard.

Easy to put it on the local officials when in fact we have lost the true American worker.

-- Posted by Muffin on Thu, Nov 11, 2010, at 9:24 AM

Eric--do any of you read your ag pages--you have the markets from Oct 25 to the 29 up and this is NOVEMBER 11--Glad we don't have to depend on your information for our farming!! Seems to me that if you can't be more current, just don't waste the space. I can't imagine this being useful to anyone, especially anyone who has commodities to sell.

-- Posted by farmerwife on Thu, Nov 11, 2010, at 9:14 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
We'll get it updated.

nouveaublogger, agreed great post. I've said it before, and I'll say it again - people limit themselves by their own will. There may be 15 jobs or even 50 jobs, but if it isn't a cushy 9-5 Monday-Friday then they aren't interested.

You also hit the nail on the head with voting. Things can't change when we the voters keep the same people in charge. In addition with the pitiful turn out of voters in Saline County alone, same people in charge, things won't change in this town. I was once told "if you don't vote you can't complain", so I vote...

-- Posted by Scarpetta on Thu, Nov 11, 2010, at 7:32 AM

nouveaublogger

You really did you homework on the job situation in the Marshall area -- seriously, I am impressed.

You make a good argument and your advice is very sound.

Its odd the way folks will vote in the same people and expect different results. I have always wondered why the voters do that.

Anyway, great comment mate.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Nov 11, 2010, at 7:14 AM

It took me about 2 minutes to research "all the industries" in the area who are trying to fill positions, according to Ms. Latimer.

On Missouri Career Source for Marshall there are a whopping 15 job opportunities available, that have been posted since August 30, through Nov 10, 2010. Only 5 of those 15 jobs have been posted since November 1st. In a 25 mile radius of Marshall there are 28 job opportunities available, the oldest being posted Aust 23, 2010 and 8 of those positions being posted since November 1st. Those 28 positions also include the 15 within Marshall.

I don't know about the rest of you out there, but I would almost bet there are more than 15 people in Marshall that are drawing unemployment and more than 28 drawing unemployment within a 25 mile radius of Marshall.

Many complain, in this forum, about situations such as this within Marshall and Saline County, however, the last time there was an election for city council the same people were elected. There is only one new member that was elected. My advice is to "go vote" the next time there is an election for city council members!

-- Posted by nouveaublogger on Thu, Nov 11, 2010, at 12:15 AM

The following quote from Ms. Latimer shows the fallacy in her logic. She must be deliberately refusing to acknowledge reality; otherwise, why make this kind of erroneous statement.

"If you got a big industry in here that pays more than the ones we already have, who is going to staff those? The majority of people who want to work are."

I have no knowledge of the available workforce pool in Saline County, but I imagine it's fairly sparse, and admittedly that's a catch-22 for people like your county development organization. It goes without saying that as part of the decision to open facilities in new locations, an industry needs to know that a viable workforce is in place.

The concessions municipalities make in order to attract industry can and sometimes do end up costing an area in a variety of ways.

The primary industry for Marshall has been in operation for a long time, and some would say that this represents loyalty on the part of the industry, so, when considering the possibility of attracting a new industry which may offer a higher wage, that ends up being a threat to the existing one, and the worst case could be the loss of that business, leaving even more people out of work.

So, not to defend your city staffers, I can only say it's a balancing act that's influenced by a number of variables, one of which is the available labor pool.

The unfortunate result is that the officials are inclined to sit on their hands, not wanting to make waves, instead of aggressively facing this kind of issue. It's easier to do nothing.

If I were the mayor, I'd be lobbying to do away with the Saline County Development Corporation, or whatever it's called, since my impression is that it doesn't earn its keep.

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, Nov 10, 2010, at 10:56 AM

I agree with gal 66. Maybe if Saline County would quit supporting all of the lazy people that don't want to work, they would have to get jobs. That would solve the problem of not having people to do the jobs. And....just maybe if we had jobs that paid a decent wage,it would be some incentive to get a job. It's pretty bad when you make more sitting on your butt than you do working! Marshall is a dying community and for those of you who thinks its not, you are in denial!

-- Posted by tommob on Wed, Nov 10, 2010, at 10:13 AM

With a statement like this from Latimer "Where are we going to get the people (to work)? We have industries right now that are trying to find people to work," Latimer said. "If you got a big industry in here that pays more than the ones we already have, who is going to staff those? The majority of people who want to work are." If you all don't think there is a group of business people and our so call community leaders trying to keep new and better paying jobs from coming to Marshall then your all very mistaken!

-- Posted by Gal66 on Wed, Nov 10, 2010, at 9:53 AM

Ha! Ann, I doubt that I'll be racing around looking for him. If I started that, the others might become suspicious and call the law on me. :)

But, if I see the name Bill on his shirt, I'll definitely ask.

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, Nov 10, 2010, at 9:43 AM

Hey Eric, city officials I was curious about their opinions would be liek Connie Latimer, Mike Morgan or the mayor. Just people who I think should be doing something, or at least should know how to get the ball rolling to do something.

-- Posted by oldschool17 on Wed, Nov 10, 2010, at 8:19 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
I haven't talked to all of them, but I have asked Connie about the Plaza. I think it's worth a more detailed story.

My understanding about the Plaza is that even though it looks shabby, it's not in violation of any city ordinance, so there's not much the city can do.

We'll find out more.

Perhaps the city could take those properties over with Eminent Domain and tear the buildings down or lease them to someone who would put a business in them. Then again, the outside owners might take a little interest if they thought they were going to lose them.

-- Posted by Tontonnii on Wed, Nov 10, 2010, at 8:13 AM

Slater, in order to keep his privacy I'd better just say his first name. Just look for a name tag that says Bill. Then ask if he's from MO. ;-)

And now I'm having funny visions of you running from DG to DG doing just that!

-- Posted by AnneD on Wed, Nov 10, 2010, at 8:13 AM

Football season is over for the Owls, but why not end a tough year with a grin. Check this out.

http://www.parentdish.com/2010/11/09/bes...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Nov 9, 2010, at 11:32 PM

AnnD, I did discover that San Antonio has a number of Dollar General stores, five of which are within a five-mile radius of my house!

It may be somewhat difficult to track down that person from Marshall, since he'd probably have had to broadcast that information to the others, but when I'm in those stores checking out the candy stocks I'll just ask! :)

Do you know his name?

-- Posted by Slater on Tue, Nov 9, 2010, at 9:25 PM

Looked everywhere in Dem News website for the veteran pictures. I could not find, maybe I just missed them.

-- Posted by izaak on Tue, Nov 9, 2010, at 7:54 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Glad to help, but I'm not sure who you're specifically seeking.

Thanks for the follow up Eric! In regards to the buildings rotting away, could you also talk to some of our town leaders to see if there is something the city could do? For example I know the Plaza is owned by some New York entity, but is there a way to force them to keep better care of the place? Or Jim's IGA is owned by Patricia's, is there a way to force Patricia's, thru ordinances or other means, to at least make the place look good even if they are just using it for storage? I just think the lack of attention by our local leaders is just as big of an issue as the businesses themselves.

-- Posted by oldschool17 on Tue, Nov 9, 2010, at 3:17 PM

Mr. Crump, is there any way the MDN could do a story on a few local topics that are hot buttons around town. One being the restraunt just off the square that has everyone's hopes up but has never opened. What is the holdup and will it be opening?? Another one is about the 3 big eye sores in town, the plaza, Jim's IGA and the old Walmart. Why aren't our city leaders doing something to clean those up? Is there a city ordinance to keep them from just being boarded up pieces of junk on main roads? If not can we get one started? Those are prime places for new businesses, but if the people with them are allowed to just let them sit than they have no reason to do anythign with them!! Just some story ideas that people in town are very concerned wtih!!

-- Posted by oldschool17 on Tue, Nov 9, 2010, at 1:49 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Good ideas. I'm curious about each situation, and we have, in fact, tried to find out what's going on with each property. But none of the property owners are local, and they seem reluctant to return our calls. We can't make them talk to us. But I think it's a good idea to keep asking for more information. It's probably time to make another go at it.

Does anyone know if the local Applebees is honoring the free meal for veterans this Thursday? If so, all you need is some proof you're a vet - American Legion or VFW card, DD214, picture in uniform, military ID card, etc.

-- Posted by cmasretire on Tue, Nov 9, 2010, at 10:10 AM
Response by Pat Nolan/Staff writer:
Mitch at Applebees said yes they are participating in that.

Slater, you have lots of Dollar General stores in San Antonio!

And a guy who worked at the DG store here moved to San Antonio and is working at one there. You should go to all of them and ask around, see if you can find the employee who used to live in Marshall, MO. :-)

-- Posted by AnneD on Tue, Nov 9, 2010, at 9:21 AM

Thank you Slater - just assumed you were in Slater area still!

-- Posted by the26er on Tue, Nov 9, 2010, at 9:15 AM

I see your area is under a red flag alert due to the dry conditions.

Isn't it odd how it can now be so dry, after all those months and months of nearly-constant rains.

If I didn't know better, I'd be thinking we passed along to you some of our climate aberrations.

-- Posted by Slater on Mon, Nov 8, 2010, at 5:18 PM

26er - thanks very much for the tip! I don't think we have the Dollar General stores here in San Antonio, but I'll find out.

Also, I'll keep on the lookout for those favorites of yours and pass along any information I come across.

-- Posted by Slater on Mon, Nov 8, 2010, at 1:12 PM

To Slater - the Dollar General store in Slater, MO has a box of the ribbon candy. Is it not the same as what you recall from ages ago? I believe that Figi's also sells both the ribbon and the pillow type. The Vermont Store has good stuff also. If you happen to find the mix like they used to have that had the pillows, filled, ribbon, and cut rock candies in it let me know. I love them all but when I have to buy them separate they usually get sticky before I can get through them all!

It is like trying to find the melocreme Halloween mix that had the chocolate cats, maple bats, banana moons, and witch hats along with the pumpkins and candy corn.

-- Posted by the26er on Mon, Nov 8, 2010, at 12:16 PM

Hope this bp oil spill has no effect on the Great Barrier Reef? The Keppel island, News Across, maybe your out of range. Hope so?. Wouldn't that be Peachy

-- Posted by Jo on Sun, Nov 7, 2010, at 10:49 PM

"Scientists find mass coral die-off near BP oil spill site"

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/11/scien...

Oh this is very, very bad.

Thanks a lot BP for killing the Gulf of Mexico.

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Nov 6, 2010, at 6:00 PM

LOL there was no messiah running around preaching a hypnotic message with no substance stirring up the young folks who have no real experience in real life and all of its lumps and obstacles so there....

actually I think that apathy is the wrong word. I am sure that applies to some, but selfishness is a better word... too selfish to take the time and effort to drive to the poll and vote...

OR the other problem is that the constant bickering and hate propaganda that politicians use to attempt to persuade people to NOT vote for someone else and the VERY LONG and drawn out campaign time periods wears people down to the point they are just tired of the whole process because they know the bribery/corruption in DC will not change no matter how loudly Obama claimed he would make changes during his campaign and then broke his word on every level. So the people just think why bother because the next guy will be the same

-- Posted by mrxray on Sat, Nov 6, 2010, at 8:43 AM

CHeeshead... the Dems only follow the directions of George Soros and the leaders of SEIU and afl-cio and are dependent on their donations and therefore beholden to those extremist leftist.

Your continual bias statements takes away what little validity that you have... lol and makes you look silly... sort of like when Reid and Pelosi and Franks and Obama look down on the common folks and make stupid comments like calling us "unwashed masses"" that should not be near the elitist politicians.

-- Posted by mrxray on Sat, Nov 6, 2010, at 8:39 AM

I think it's time to return political commentary to the POLITICS blog, please.

-- Posted by Miss Marple on Fri, Nov 5, 2010, at 3:01 PM

Its like i've said in a lot of my posts. Until we see this Government as an evil entity, as it is, we brainless fools will be lead around to our destruction,with a smile on our face'es! We didn't win this because the Democrats didn't get out and Vote! As i can find out there was only 44% percent Voted! So how are we going to take back our Government, with a President that won't do anything about Changing the way Washington does Business, before tackling any of his policies! Does he really think things are that easy! There is a time you have too lose your Civility and get things done,but he has wasted 2 years handing out peace offerings! I've thought this long ago,that the only way for them to hear us, is through the media or write in, or go there in 10s of thousands,with every conceivable weapon we can carry,(like the Conservatives did at some of the Rallies) and sort them out, put them on a Bus to nowhere! To hell with the

Officials that tries to protect them! Because the way it looks there is no compromise with any of the fools,that's there now.When they see the people are not going to stand for it anymore, then we will have our Government back, with no more time wasted! We have done without the peoples business being taken care of long enough!

-- Posted by Jo on Fri, Nov 5, 2010, at 2:33 AM

Nancy Pelosi one of the great Speakers of the House of Representatives. My opinion you say?

Nope, this is according to conservative scholars.

http://www.aolnews.com/politics/article/...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Nov 5, 2010, at 12:18 AM

The point is that no matter how many credible sites there are stating the Dems are and have added private sector jobs the right wing and it media(Fox news)will fail to report it or twist the facts.

So the point is that congress wont get anything done to help create any more jobs or bring down the deficit becasue nobody cares about the facts.The people have been lied to and the right wing is pushing their agenda as the peoples. So until we get to the facts there will be no progress made in Washington due to stall tactics and misinformation. I would like to see congress work together, but even if this happens the right will still try to divide the people of this country.

-- Posted by cheesehead on Fri, Nov 5, 2010, at 12:02 AM

I'm not asking you to quote FOX. Newsjunkiepost is far left from what I've read. I'll take ABC to be as reliable as any, more reliable than FOX normally. But, your 2 links don't give all the facts, and even contradict each other a bit. Junkie claims "This is the 9th straight month of private sector job growth" while ABC claims "Private employers added more jobs than expected in October after laying off workers the previous month..."

Really, why worry about this. The National Bureau of Economic Research delcared the recession over just recently. I remember hearing that and thinking "Mission Accomplished." Had the same thought when Obama delcared Iraq War over.

-- Posted by Philemon on Thu, Nov 4, 2010, at 10:22 PM

cheesehead,

We get it. You're not a fan of FOX News. Based on your claims about all of the private sector jobs that Obama and the Dems. have created, you must be one of the dozens of MSNBC viewers across the country.

-- Posted by Bcat on Thu, Nov 4, 2010, at 10:07 PM

The unemployment rate is up, but some of this is due to the shedding of some government jobs created by the stimulus bill. The trend of adding private sector jobs has continued for 9 months now. At this rate after all the extra public sector jobs have been removed and the addition of the new private sector jobs the unemployment rate will soon start to fall. The republicans will try to take credit for this, but the numbers dont lie.Fox news or Rush wont report any news that could be positive for Democrats. I could post more links to show this, but no right wing news org will report such news so to most of you it wont be credible as any source that debunks them will just be considered untrue.

-- Posted by cheesehead on Thu, Nov 4, 2010, at 9:08 PM

Created more jobs, maybe, but with unemployment up, shouldn't you also give him credit for all the lost jobs also? Funny thing about statistics is that a good statistician can make the say whatever they want.

-- Posted by Philemon on Thu, Nov 4, 2010, at 8:12 PM

Oh...and your links. The one with some credibility (the ABC News one) mentions nothing specific about private sector job numbers compared to previous years. And the second one...puhleez...www.newsjunkiepost.com? Give me a break. It's some dude who calls himself Ole Ole Olson's personal blog. I can make cool looking graphs that say anything I want them to say right here on my 6 year old computer.

-- Posted by outsider on Thu, Nov 4, 2010, at 8:06 PM

Wrong...I don't watch Fox News. Actually, I don't watch any national news. I don't get home from work in time and my TV system consists of an old fashioned antenna pullin in about 8 channels. No cable, no satelite. About the only news I watch is the channel 5 news at 10pm...and the only reason I watch 5 is because David Letterman comes on right after it. My point was that presidents don't "add" private sector jobs. Private sector jobs are added when businesses have enough confidence in the economy to start hiring people or creating jobs, and I honestly don't think that has happened much in the last two years. The original statement didn't mention the Clinton years. It only said that more private sector jobs had been added in the last 2 years than in all 8 years of G.W. Bush...and I'm callin BS on that.

-- Posted by outsider on Thu, Nov 4, 2010, at 8:00 PM

outsider,

The reason youre skeptical about such numbers is because you more than likely watch Fox news. They didnt want to give America any reason to vote for the Dems so they withhold such info. Ive posted 2 articles 1 stating we have 9 straight months of private sector jobs and one showing graphs. One shows that under Bill Clinton there were more jobs added than Reagan and both bushs combined. One graph shows under Obama he has added more jobs than Bush in just 2 yrs. You will never see this on Fox news!

http://newsjunkiepost.com/2010/10/08/its...

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory...

-- Posted by cheesehead on Thu, Nov 4, 2010, at 7:49 PM

Oops, I didn't mean to post that in the politcs section. My bad.

-- Posted by Philemon on Thu, Nov 4, 2010, at 7:45 PM

Marshall Owls Soccer team just beat Helias 1-0 at District in Boonville! Another goal by Jon Najera got the lead and a great penalty kick save by Jacob Phillips to preserve the win. Congrats guys. Keep it rolling!

-- Posted by Philemon on Thu, Nov 4, 2010, at 7:44 PM

The president and Dem congress have added private sector jobs? How do government officials add anything but government jobs? If what you're saying is that more private sector jobs have been created in the last 2 years than there were in 8 years under W, I'd have to be skeptical about the accuracy of that.

-- Posted by outsider on Thu, Nov 4, 2010, at 4:54 PM

The GOP leaders will only follow the right wing media such as Fox news. Fox news wants nothing more than to see their agenda pushed forward. They will play to the fears of their viewers. A good example has any one heard Fox news point out that Pres Obama and the Dems in congress have already added more private sector jobs than Bush did in 8 years. I bet they didnt think that was important to America.

-- Posted by cheesehead on Thu, Nov 4, 2010, at 3:33 PM

The GOP leaders say their priority is to see President Obama defeatedin 2012. Sounds to me like nothing is going to get done in DC for the next 2 years except lots and lots of fighting along party lines. If and when that happens, we all pay the price. Our two-party system may end up causing the fall of our two-party system. It is time for independents to stand up and do something constructive, before its too late.

-- Posted by OldOwl on Thu, Nov 4, 2010, at 3:12 PM

The word "stupid" is harsh and unfair; "apathetic" not so much.

We reap what we sow.

-- Posted by Slater on Thu, Nov 4, 2010, at 10:34 AM

captaingbb I could not have said it better myself!!!

With only 47% voting Washington will never change!!!!

Yes I voted how about the rest of you all did you vote?

-- Posted by Gal66 on Thu, Nov 4, 2010, at 9:53 AM

If my one wish for the new day in Washington could be granted, this would be it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g--Vlij1X...

-- Posted by Slater on Thu, Nov 4, 2010, at 8:52 AM

"Employers added 43,000 private-sector jobs in October"

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39984903/ns/...

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Nov 3, 2010, at 6:26 PM

Nancy Pelosi actually shares the blame/credit for Ike's defeat, as well as the defeat of many other Dems. Let's see if the Reps/Tea Potters follow through on all of the promises they made to get elected this time around! I hope so, but will not hold my breathe.

-- Posted by OldOwl on Wed, Nov 3, 2010, at 4:54 PM

What is wrong with people when only 47% of this State votes, and only 44% for Saline County, are people too stupid and apathetic to not care what's going on locally, statewide and on the federal level??? This affects everything in your daily lives. How pitiful and how sad. I VOTE, DID YOU??

-- Posted by captaingbb on Wed, Nov 3, 2010, at 4:28 PM

Ike is a good man and was a good representative, but he should have retired. His legacy would be intact and he'd be considered an elder statesman for the rest of his life. Instead he got pounded by a newcomer. Kind of sad, actually.

-- Posted by outsider on Wed, Nov 3, 2010, at 4:01 PM

our new congresswoman vicki hartzler (bye bye ike!) was in marshall the day before the election ... where's the coverage?

-- Posted by aikman8 on Wed, Nov 3, 2010, at 12:14 AM

Slater,

Here's an echo of OKR on Vermont Country Store. Amazon. com offers Hammonds ribbon candy. I don't know if I've ever had it, but a tv feature on the production of Hammonds ribbon candy made it sound very tasty, indeed. I intended to try it--now you've jogged my memory, which needs a lot of jogging. Another company is F.B. Washburn which is America's oldest family-owned candy business. They make Sevigny's Thin Ribbon Candy,

Available at a wide variety of national chains: WalMart, Kmart, Tuesday Morning, Cracker Barrel, Big Lots, Dollar Tree, Dollar General, Family Dollar, and CVS. Many major grocery stores also carry it.

My mouth is watering, even though I started the morning w/55 calories of Butterfinger. (Leftovers:)

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Tue, Nov 2, 2010, at 7:24 PM

OKR - Thanks for the tip. I see that place has lots of goodies. :)

-- Posted by Slater on Tue, Nov 2, 2010, at 4:27 PM

Seagarr - if the truck was parked there and within 25 feet of the door, and the person driving it wasn't merely exercising his right to vote, that's electioneering and illegal - see:

http://www.sos.mo.gov/elections/2006gene...

However, I don't usually blame the candidate, as there are plenty of people that are "true-believers" and will do things such as that to try and sway voters without any encouragement or support of the candidate!

-- Posted by koeller77 on Tue, Nov 2, 2010, at 3:28 PM

Was dissapointed to see a truck with a large sign parked in the driveway of a polling place today. I was undecided going in and I can tell you that I elminated that candidate after seeing the sign.

I have the same feeling for those who hand out flyers in front of polling places.

-- Posted by Seagarr on Tue, Nov 2, 2010, at 2:13 PM

Slater you may want to check out Vermont Country Store. http://www.vermontcountrystore.com/produ...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Nov 2, 2010, at 11:35 AM

Jo - I support your thoughts about today. I can only hope that all registered voters get there and have their say in how many new faces show up in DC.

I voted last week during the early voting period, and I told the elections people I'd be back today - VOTE EARLY AND OFTEN!!!! jk, of course.

Upsedaisy, I missed Castro's appearance on the BBC program you mentioned. He's the ambitious sort who will most likely cut corners to try and get where he wants to be. In my opinion and observations, San Antonio politics borders on corruption.

We have a tv up and a tv down, and I've somehow managed to disable both. The upstairs one (which I usually watch) now has NO picture or sound, and the one downstairs has a picture but no sound. I have no earthly idea what I've done to them. HA! I don't watch much tv anyway, so I'm not missing it. My wife left to visit her sisters when I returned from MO, so I'll wait for her to get back and fix them. :)

I'm wanting to get some of that old-time Christmas ribbon candy and the other type hard candy like I remember from my early days. Anyone know who might be producing it these days? I had a look in the Brachs web site, and they offer something like it, I suppose, but I'm reluctant to buy in the quantity they have available without knowing what it's like. No samples available! :(

-- Posted by Slater on Tue, Nov 2, 2010, at 11:25 AM

I'm all about voting, everyones opinion counts!Frankly, I will be GLAD when all this election and campaigning is over though! There are some negative and dirty campaigns out there. Some of the candidates are just nasty to each other. It's all about the vote..... : (

-- Posted by karma is real on Tue, Nov 2, 2010, at 8:44 AM

Every Family should consult with each other about Voting tomorrow! It doesn't take that much time and you'll feel better about your Country & your self! Everything that Washington does effect all of us! Get involved! Vote

-- Posted by Jo on Tue, Nov 2, 2010, at 1:14 AM

Wall Street has already voted.

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/10...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Nov 1, 2010, at 11:00 PM

Slater,

BBC America featured SA's mayor tonight. Hope there was advance notice so you were able to watch. Perhaps, local stations picked it up for rebroadcast.

Happy to hear you were able to visit ye olde stomping grounds.

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Mon, Nov 1, 2010, at 10:36 PM

EIEIO I can't imagine why anyone should find that site honoring our fallen soldiers. offensive. What is offensive to me that we have had our young people dying for ten years now in two wars that were at best ill concieved. Two wars that will never end in any kind of victory, and likely will not end with any kind of improvement s for the Iraqi, Afghan, nor American people. Now that is offensive.

Also offensive is that we go on day to day ignoring the continued deaths. Every soldier that dies should be honored on every television news source everday. Far as I know the only network that does is PBS. That the others do not is a disgrace.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Nov 1, 2010, at 7:46 PM

http://militarytimes.com/valor/

Apparently, some find this site offensive..?

Freedom of the press is guaranteed only to those who own one.

-- Posted by EiEiO on Mon, Nov 1, 2010, at 6:56 PM

this may be of interest to your general posting group - as well as the politcos - but i heard this morning that so far in this election cycle politicians have spent $3 billion on telvision ads alone. that's incredible! can you say "limited publicly funded campaign advertising" ...?

good grief

zeke

-- Posted by zeke on Mon, Nov 1, 2010, at 2:46 PM

Miss Marple, help me out here! You're very good at speaking directly and clearly to issues. By attempting to remove the distortion from Outsider's statement, I created my own as I said this:

"That's the disagreement among the rational thinkers all along the political spectrum."

Perhaps I should have said it this way?:

The rational thinking along the political spectrum generally would disagree with (not hate) your definition of conservative values.

-- Posted by Slater on Mon, Nov 1, 2010, at 10:17 AM


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