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Speak Out September 1 to November 1, 2010

Wednesday, September 1, 2010

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Selmac8,

I would appreciate it if you did not refer to me as lazy. I may be a lot of things, but lazy is not one of them.

I cannot speak for Ms. Crump, but I myself referred to Thursday due to your own "kill em all and let God sort it out" mentality. You were quick to be "ashamed" of the entire town, because a few "bad apples" didn't have their lights on.

I said it before, and I will say it again, I passed out candy for over an hour. From about 6:30-close to 8. I also said that SOME of the children were disrespectful. This does not mean that I did not have some lovely, polite children as well.

My lazy rump is now off to job number 1.

-- Posted by Oldblackcat on Mon, Nov 1, 2010, at 6:54 AM

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-- Posted by EiEiO on Mon, Nov 1, 2010, at 6:35 AM

xray,

It is a well known fact that FOX owner Rupert Murdoch admitted on camera that he "slanted" his news in favor of the Iraq war.

He "slanted" his "news" in favor of a war that we know was based on lies and deceit. That war cost thousands and thousands of innocnet lives.

Coalition troops and Iraqis. That is enough right there for me to disdain FOX "news". Any other reason is purley acedemic at this point.

I'll say it one more time. FOX owner Rupert Murdoch admitted on camera that he "slanted" his news in favor of the Iraq war.

How in the name of all that is decent can you defend that? Have we now outsourced our integrity as well?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Mon, Nov 1, 2010, at 5:50 AM

The whole logical aspect you are tying to use to claim that fox news is racist or whatever other ill spirited term you want to use is failed logic. Simply because a news outlet leans right when most every single other news outlet leans left does not make them bigoted, it merely makes them guilty of the EXACT same faults as any other media outlet... being biased.

The whole concept of a right leaning fox news being bad is a stupid and a very intellectually dishonest argument because if leaning right is a fault then leaning left is also a fault.

As for the YMCA... if in fact they do have several TVs and they show other news stations like CNN and ABC and others then quit your crying and deal with equality... lol

-- Posted by mrxray on Mon, Nov 1, 2010, at 12:03 AM

LOL I love it when you libbies try to claim that fox news promotes racism when it is OBAMA and PELOSI and REID and other so called 'leading' dems that continually use the race card simply because people disagree with Obama and the Dems based on POLICY and not race. Over and over and over we see examples of this where people get called racist because they do not bow down to the radical progressive agenda that these Dems are pushing. Funny, I was against Hillarycare and Kennedycare and I was NEVER called a racist until a man who is HALF black and whose black roots do NOT come from ancestors that were slaves in America but from a father who was from Kenya was elected to office. I disagree with most of the progressive agenda purely on principle and the left is too stuck in the baby-name calling tactics to even realize that they are the RACISTS.

So the whole premise that fox news is bigoted and somehow promotes race is a purely fiction made up by the lame stream media because fox news is slamming them in the ratings and because their favored liberal agenda is not working for the American public as we are seeing in the polls for the elections coming up.

Heck, even George Soros funded National Public Radio is racist as they fired Juan Williams for making a non-racist statement while ignoring their other commentators comments that were very biased and even outright lies about people who are not liberals.

Take the log out of your eye before you try to remove the speck out of someone elses....

-- Posted by mrxray on Sun, Oct 31, 2010, at 11:59 PM

Following my last post, how many would agree that the night Jesus was born, Joseph and Mary dealt with an innkeeper who was most likely conservative-minded by today's standards?

-- Posted by Slater on Sun, Oct 31, 2010, at 10:32 PM

Selmac8, I must say that I agree with Amy. I cannot possibly fathom how anyone in this town could be ashamed of it after the breath-taking tribute that took place Thursday. If the full firefighter honors did not attest to the wonderful person he was, the sheer magnitude of people that showed up to pay their respects should have.

I for one passed out candy for about an hour and a half, until I got fed up with the inconsiderate and disrespectful attitude of some of the children. After the third child stuck his hand in my basket, helped himself, and then jumped off my porch without so much as a thank-you, I promptly shut my door. I do not have to pass out candy, and I certainly do not have to play into the hands of a "gimme gimme gimme" or an "I am entitled to it" attitude. While this may frustrate me, I in no way see it as a reflection of the town. If you, however, do, then by all means, leave!

-- Posted by Oldblackcat on Sun, Oct 31, 2010, at 10:29 PM

Outsider - I'm seconding Izak's statement but with different words. What you should have said is that a percentage of conservatives incongruously hang their definition of values on a Christian theme. That's the disagreement among the rational thinkers all along the political spectrum.

-- Posted by Slater on Sun, Oct 31, 2010, at 9:56 PM

Seriously? You're ashamed to be from a town that honored a fallen firefighter in a magnificent way last week? You're ashamed to come from a town that sponsors a local orchestra to perform a fantastic Halloween concert, free to the public? You're ashamed of Marshall with all it's wonderful assets that are SO not available in most towns this size?

All because of a bag of candy?

-- Posted by Amy Crump on Sun, Oct 31, 2010, at 9:39 PM

Outsider,

There is a great difference between Christian values and fundamentalist values.

-- Posted by izaak on Sun, Oct 31, 2010, at 9:12 PM

miss october wrote

"The YMCA is suppossed to promote christian values, but allow conservative PAC to be played in their place."

You're not making much sense. In case you haven't been paying attention through the years, conservative promotion of christian values is one of the things that liberals hate most about them...or did the people who told you to be offended by FOX news forget to tell you that?

-- Posted by outsider on Sun, Oct 31, 2010, at 8:23 PM

cheesehead and miss october,

You might want to take a deep breath and join the other angry libs on the political blog page.

-- Posted by Bcat on Sun, Oct 31, 2010, at 7:48 PM

Happy Halloween, all you HootOwls!

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-- Posted by Slater on Sun, Oct 31, 2010, at 12:11 AM

Outsider,

Fox news promotes racial division and bigotry. Dont make this about your right wing slant. We should boycott businesses that try to use their venue to promote such hate. The YMCA is suppossed to promote christian values, but allow conservative PAC to be played in their place.

Cheeseshead

Dont let anyone tell you that minorities should speak for themselves!You are doing the right thing by speaking up for them because this is offensive they try to mix bigotry and call it politics.

-- Posted by miss october on Sat, Oct 30, 2010, at 10:47 AM

There is a new force in town. It is called Marshall Cultural Council. I was drug along to the first event they were responsible for last night and came away awed from witnessing what a small group of people can cause to happen.

Most of you don't know what I am talking about. It was a dinner and show at the high school. It was put on by a group of people that were tired of the negative attitude of so many in this town and decided to do something about it.

I feel like I experienced the first of many fine things that are going to start happening in this town. I urge all the doers here, and everyone here is a doer, to get involved and make things happen.

Kudos to the Marshall Cultural Council.

-- Posted by red dog on Sat, Oct 30, 2010, at 8:50 AM

I'd venture to guess that most people who are offended by FOX News got that way because someone told them they should be. Anything with so much as a hint of a right wing slant must be racist....correct?

-- Posted by outsider on Sat, Oct 30, 2010, at 12:15 AM

OK cheesehead, I'll bite and assume that you were serious with your last comment. If a minority is somehow offended by Fox News, then let him or her speak for themselves and take it up with the management.

-- Posted by Bcat on Fri, Oct 29, 2010, at 9:36 PM

trick or treat on the square was a blast again this year... i do how ever see two problems with it the trafic that was entering and leaving the square and some children was left unspervised... there was a child about ten bragging to her friends that she had been around 3 times and working on her forth im sure alot of places ran out of candy/gifts before all the kids got around its sad some unspervised kids have to runin a good thing for some kids

-- Posted by mtshell08 on Fri, Oct 29, 2010, at 9:32 PM

Being female has nothing to do w/a lack of interest in sports. I'm female and 77, I was thrilled to bits to watch Missouri's fantastic homecoming win last Saturday. The Tigers long dry spell ended.

Can't the Y poll people as they check in as to which channels they like to watch?

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Fri, Oct 29, 2010, at 8:40 PM

Why does anyone need to watch the darn television while working out???? Seriously!! The YMCA should be a place to be free from Saturday morning cartoons, sports, religion, and yes even politics!!

-- Posted by daisygurl22 on Fri, Oct 29, 2010, at 7:34 PM

There are 4 televisions on at the YMCA. Whenever I have been excercising up there, one tv is on fox, one is on cnn, one is on a local KC station-perhaps WDAF?-, and the fourth is on espn. Seems to me the YMCA is trying to give us a variety to choose from. If asked my opinion of which one to change, I would say ESPN. Being female, I have no interest in it. My biggest problem with the YMCA tv's is that I can't tune the audio in on my walkman. I just watch whichever tv is closest to me and read the closed captioning. For me, the tv's are just a nice way to help that dreaded 30 minute workout go faster, and it really doesn't matter what is on.

-- Posted by Reader101 on Fri, Oct 29, 2010, at 7:02 PM

Let me start by saying thank you to those who handed out candy for trick-or-treat on the square. Looked like a great turn out too!! I do have one question though that has always crossed my mind...why don't they block the square off? There are always people stretched from corner to corner. It just seems dangerous to allow travel onto the square via car/truck/motorcycle.

I'm guessing the biggest reason is allowing customers to still reach local business.

-- Posted by Scarpetta on Fri, Oct 29, 2010, at 6:59 PM

bcat- If you would scroll down and read miss octobers link then you would see why msnbc would be a better choice and less offensive to minorities.

-- Posted by cheesehead on Fri, Oct 29, 2010, at 5:57 PM

They could always switch the channel to MSNBC and watch to see how fast the place clears out.

-- Posted by Bcat on Fri, Oct 29, 2010, at 5:01 PM

Wrong. The only time I've been in the place was to watch my grandaughter play basketball a couple years ago and to deliver a package a few months after that. I've considered joining, and lord knows I could use it, but have never been a member.

I just can't see why it's any big deal what channel they watch. Myself, if I were a member, I'd push for watching Sanford & Son reruns.

-- Posted by outsider on Fri, Oct 29, 2010, at 4:44 PM

Miss October,

Good point and I would bet by the comments that outsider is either a board member or works at the YMCA. You see some board members run businesses in the area, if by chance word gets out they are possibly using there postiion to promote their own political agenda they could loss business, so they will try to squash talk about this. It is their own problem if they play Fox in their own business, but I agree with you that people should speak out when it comes to this happening in such a place. Keep in mind that some board members may be against them playing proganda at the YMCA.

-- Posted by cheesehead on Fri, Oct 29, 2010, at 3:39 PM

outsider

That is the opposite what should be happening, if these people want use politics in non profit businesses than the community should know about it and speak out. Many minorities use this facility and Fox news promotes racial divisions. Someone should speak up for them when its board members and those running it refuse to listen.

-- Posted by miss october on Fri, Oct 29, 2010, at 3:12 PM

The YMCA is a prized community asset, but am I wrong in thinking that it's basically a club with members who pay dues? I would think that they could watch whatever channel said members want to watch, without clearing it with the "community". Members can take it up with management or board menbers, but the rest of us should just butt out....in my opinion.

-- Posted by outsider on Fri, Oct 29, 2010, at 12:31 PM

Scarpetta, I think we agree in a ironic way and I thank you for your input and I hope you think the same for my aspect.

-- Posted by BUNKER on Fri, Oct 29, 2010, at 10:09 AM

After reading some older posts and hearing around the community about the YMCA and its board members refusal to turn of the Fox news channel. This is a community organization and this should arouse some type of protest. This is no longer a news channel it is a conservative PAC. Right wing candidates have recieved over 600 endorsements in the last few months from fox commentators and entertainers. Does anyone know what influence the board members actually have on these decisons? We should all seek out a different source without such bias? Check out this Article!

http://mediamatters.org/research/2010102...

-- Posted by miss october on Thu, Oct 28, 2010, at 11:21 PM

Sometimes I am amazed at the selfishness, callousness and utter disrespect shown by others. Did anyone else see the idiot trying to cross through the funeral procession today? Clearly the lady driving the red Jaguar needs a character check.

-- Posted by born-n-raised on Thu, Oct 28, 2010, at 5:23 PM

Scarpetta, I agree on the college/town relationship. It's not what it could be.

To take just one example, it costs $170 to audit a course, and that's not including the cost of the book.

Why would you want to audit a course? Well, you might just want to know something on that subject and it's an excellent way to get the information without the pain of being graded or having to do papers. A far lower audit fee would be a great way to encourage more local people to take advantage of a great local resource. And a little taste of what college is like might give the college a paying student later on.

-- Posted by Miss Marple on Thu, Oct 28, 2010, at 4:18 PM

Ask MrXray. He knows what it was, because he was present at the Devil's Tower when "The Big One" dropped in. :)

However, the more immediate explanation would indeed be the sound of Miss Marple's jaw landing at her feet, although OKR's explanation has merit, since a squadron of stealth bombers flew over here last night without making a sound!

By the way, is the MVC cannon mounted on big spoke wheels?

-- Posted by Slater on Thu, Oct 28, 2010, at 4:14 PM

Miss M, once again you make me laugh. Thank you for that. :) Her new show is proof positive anyone can get a tv show. Lol.

-- Posted by Scarpetta on Thu, Oct 28, 2010, at 3:54 PM

Bunker I will agree with you on a lack of support for the college here. It's not just the college, it's pretty much anything here. I will also add to that, I believe the college could do more for the town. Now since I said that, let me add that the college soccer teams (men and women) put on a soccer clinic for the kids. They allow kids wearing their jerseys into their games for free. There are college soccer players who come to ref the kids games on Sundays. Bravo and thank you to those who help out.

My point being that I think there could be a better effort on both parts of the community, the townies and the college. Personally I'd rather deal with a MVC student over a local kid, a lot of people in this town see the "college town" atmosphere as the root to all evil, to them I say...give them a chance.

-- Posted by Scarpetta on Thu, Oct 28, 2010, at 3:52 PM

That noise was the sound of Sarah Palin's prospects for becoming president dropping like a stone following Karl Rove's London Daily Telegraph interview in which he said he didn't think she had what it takes to sit in the Oval Office.

"With all due candor, appearing on your own reality show on the Discovery Channel -- I am not certain how that fits in the American calculus of 'That helps me see you in the Oval Office,'" Rove said.

The rest of the noise was the sound of my jaw hitting the floor at the mere thought of agreeing with Karl Rove. :)

-- Posted by Miss Marple on Thu, Oct 28, 2010, at 3:49 PM

Ok, I understand where your coming from, but remember we are a college town, a small college, but more the less a college town. Which gives our community a college atmosphere. Im not trying to step on feet or make people upset, all im saying is I have been in Marshall for a few years now and I like this community and love this college very much. If I was to give a downfall at all on the town, it would be the communities support for the college. It's something we need to work on as a whole. So with that being said, if a soccer game, that i know personally never goes over 10:00pm and if it does, its once in a blue moon, is such a burden by a few loud cheers and excitement then I am kind of ashamed.

But on the loud boom last not that has been called everything from a UFO to an Atomic Bomb,it was a firework, like the ones they shoot off at the football game. It was shot off from somewhere around the campus but it wasn't affiliated with the sporting events in any way.

-- Posted by BUNKER on Thu, Oct 28, 2010, at 2:24 PM

OKR, you crack me up. The stealth bombers have a steady rumble. Although you weather balloon theory might hold water. Lol. ;)

-- Posted by Scarpetta on Thu, Oct 28, 2010, at 1:36 PM

Bunker, if you would kindly step off your soap box for a minute you might see what was said in a different light. I don't see it as a bash or non supporting, in fact I can here MHS from my home too. As a "community" as you pointed out, we all must realize there are people of all ages in this "community" and we must all work together to make it a pleasant experience for everyone. If not firing a cannon at 10 is a compromise, sounds reasonable to me. However, for the record I still don't think it was the MVC cannon.

-- Posted by Scarpetta on Thu, Oct 28, 2010, at 1:34 PM

Whiteman's stealth aircraft?

A weather balloon struck by a meteor which caused an explosion? ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Oct 28, 2010, at 1:28 PM

I have to smurk when community members dislike something that goes on at the college that is positive, this in regards to the comments about the soccer games going late at night and GOAL being said to loud to certain indivduals likings because its 9:00pm and there kids are trying to sleep. Well if the community was MORE envolved with the college and realized that are soccer teams are having a great year. The men's team, foremost, is making a run at what could be a national title. Now, I understand it isn't your MARSHALL OWL FOOTBALL, but when your child grows up and makes a run for a national title you keep your emotions to a whisper and pat them on the back and don't clap or cheer to loud because some how, 3/4 miles away, you may wake a non-supporting, neighbor!

-- Posted by BUNKER on Thu, Oct 28, 2010, at 1:04 PM

Ok R, the sonic boom could be possible but the other associated aircraft sounds were not there. It's likely to be an unknown boom...I'm just curious and no I don't think it's a conspiracy or anything like that. Just curiosity.

-- Posted by Scarpetta on Thu, Oct 28, 2010, at 11:47 AM

I've been to several soccer games since the turf was added, allowing for the night games. It has pros and cons as with anything. Still, soccer doesn't use the cannon. They do yell goal, and some of the crowd can be rather...um...colorful...but the cannon has never been used at any of the games I have been to.

I also think that if in fact it was the cannon, 10 pm is a bit late to be using it. Kids are in school and need their sleep.

-- Posted by Scarpetta on Thu, Oct 28, 2010, at 10:50 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
It remains a mystery. If I hear any possible explanations I'll be sure to post them.

Whiteman. Night flights. Sonic boom? Momaster heard Goooaall, but no boom?

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Oct 28, 2010, at 10:48 AM

Scarpeta - since valley put in the artificial turf they are playing soccer games on the football field. That means two games at least (men's and women's) every time they have a home game. These have been going on well into the evening, something else they didn't do until the turf went in. I live 3/4 mile to the east of the campus and I can see the lights when they have a game. The lights were bright last night. I could also here the PA system. Especially when the announcer yells GOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!! at the top of his lungs. It has been very noisy this fall. Something I wish valley would think about when they are playing games past 9 PM and people with small children are trying to get them to sleep only to be kept awake by the noise.

-- Posted by momaster on Thu, Oct 28, 2010, at 10:35 AM

Am I the only person annoyed when folks driving around the square don't use their turn signals? It's hard enough to see cars coming with vehicles parked on the diagonal, and impossible to know where the moving vehicles are going if they don't signal.

-- Posted by Pragmatist on Thu, Oct 28, 2010, at 10:25 AM

I'm sorry Eric I wasn't very clear, we are on the same page now. I'm still not convinced the boom at almost 10 pm was the cannon. Maybe I'll ask some of the college soccer players I know and see if I can rule that out. If you happen upon a source, or can confirm the cannon, I'd be interested in hearing it.

In addition, I'm west of the college and the homecoming booms were hard to hear.

-- Posted by Scarpetta on Thu, Oct 28, 2010, at 10:20 AM

Thanks for the additional info Eric, I realize weather conditions can effect how sound travels. Maybe it was the cannon last night, maybe not. MVC used the cannon during the soccer game on homecoming? In relation to where I live, it's never been that loud. I fully expected my power to go out, only because it sounded like a transformer blew.

-- Posted by Scarpetta on Thu, Oct 28, 2010, at 7:20 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Oh, I thought you meant during the homecoming football game. We live almost a mile north of the stadium and could hear it clear as a bell Saturday, but I know someone who lives closer, but to the west, who didn't hear it at all. Stiff wind from the south blew the sound toward us, away from people lateral to the stadium.

While I'm not totally disagreeing with u, it's never that loud for football and they have never used the cannon during soccer. (at least for as long as I can remember) Are you certain it was the MVC cannon? I mean homecoming was a make em or break em game, and they didn't use it.

-- Posted by Scarpetta on Wed, Oct 27, 2010, at 10:08 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
MVC did use the canon during the homecoming game. The sound -- and where it can be heard -- can be affected by weather conditions.

Yeah its the canon at the college. They are having a soccer game.

-- Posted by momaster on Wed, Oct 27, 2010, at 9:55 PM

9:49 pm huge boom, anyone else hear it? Know of it's origin?

-- Posted by Scarpetta on Wed, Oct 27, 2010, at 9:52 PM

Paper dolls. We spent hours cutting and then playing with paper dolls from old catalogs. Could hardly wait for the season to be over so mom would let us have the catalog when the new one arrived.

-- Posted by AnneD on Wed, Oct 27, 2010, at 9:36 PM

Isn't it amazing the number of uses an old Sears catalog had when you were done ordering from it? Also JC Penney and Montgomery Ward and you hit the jackpot!

Let's see, besides the uses OKR and Smokin' commented on earlier. How many used them for a booster seat for a toddler; folded each page on the diagonal and made a decorative door stop; roll and bind them, standing upright and covered with matial for a small foot stool, put 3 to 4 together for this...anyone else remember anymore uses than this?

-- Posted by nouveaublogger on Wed, Oct 27, 2010, at 8:59 PM

Yea I believe you Cheetah...what you said too.

Good to hear from you.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Oct 27, 2010, at 6:24 PM

Sorry to change the subject, but I have a question. Who exactly is mayor of Marshall right now? I thought when the musical chairs thing sorted itself out that Lorna Alexander was mayor. In the Newcomers guide it says Ron Duvall, Mayor Pro Tem but lists Lorna Alexander as Ward 4 councilman (person). No one is actually listed as mayor, or did I just miss it?

-- Posted by outsider on Wed, Oct 27, 2010, at 5:44 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Lorna Alexander was mayor pro tem immediately following Connie Latimer's resignation Feb. 1. Ron Duvall was elected to the post in May. The council opted not to hold a special election for the mayor's post. A new mayor will be elected in April 2011, I believe.

26er you guys keep on keepin on. I grew up on a marginal farm where we spread every kind of manure available, even from the outhouse.

There are many benefits to it, and little down side.

One unexpected benefit was that when all the flowers had died, and all the green was gone, the colorful pages from the Sears catalogues, flapping in the breeze on a hillside, countered the drabness of winter.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Oct 27, 2010, at 4:10 PM

Anyone else inudated with political literature through the mail? I've received enough the past couple of weeks to use for kindling for the entire winter.

I'm not going to base my voting decision on these obviously biased ads that come in the mail. The candidates could save a lot of money if they realized that.

-- Posted by AnneD on Wed, Oct 27, 2010, at 3:02 PM

This is a bit late as I only now was reading back to the middle of October. I must thank those of you have commented pro-farmer on the "smell" issue. Special note to Selmar8, Smokin'Cheetah, Kathy Fairchild, Marcia Gorrell, OldOwl, and I apologize if anyone else stood up for the farmers and I happened to miss your name. I am married to one of those farmers using chicken litter for fertilizer, in fact we are probably one of the first who began using it years ago. AND, guess what, we live very near OREARVILLE, in fact own all the property that borders the school there. I am not ashamed to hide my position on this matter, and have posted many comments on this issue, including the article in the MDN recently. Eric, sign me off as Karen Zimmerman, the supporter of the local chicken poo spreader!! And to those who do not like the smell, they make nose plugs, Vicks, or if those do not work an old fashioned spring clothespin will work also! I just know we will not be guilty of the issues caused by chemical fertilizers in your food or water supply. And to anyone who drinks Slater municipal water, I hope you realize your water comes out of the Missouri river, that should cause you more concern than a little smell in the air for a few days of the year! And I hear that in Marshall, though do not know for sure because have never lived there, that the water there is recycled within the city. That sounds scary. My good unchemically treated well water is from rainwater filtering through the country ground, through the limestone, and into my well. Clear, no smell, no uck taste, WONDERFUL. Thanks for allowing my final vent on this matter, everyone of you get out and enjoy the wonderful and beautiful autumn sights, smells, and sounds !!!

-- Posted by the26er on Wed, Oct 27, 2010, at 1:43 PM

It has actually turned a bit chilly here. lol

-- Posted by Philemon on Wed, Oct 27, 2010, at 1:16 PM

I see no one has posted here since supper time yesterday.

How's the weather today? Folks coping alright with those street repairs?

Hello? Hello?

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Oct 27, 2010, at 11:45 AM

Slater,

That must be it, he doesn't want me to show him up!

All is well with the boy in question. At least for the time being.

If your daughter ever buys that mini-mansion, let me know if she intends to throw a huge party. There use to be a grand ballroom on the third floor, from what I've been told. The Buckner's, I believe, left the home in the care of the Saline County Historical Society, who could not maintain it and sold it to an orthopedic physician. He eventually sold it, I believe, to the current owners.

Sounds like you had an eventful trip home! I was on a frightening flight once that landed in Denver. Needless to say, I really don't like flying anymore. Have only flown twice since, it's been 26 years.

-- Posted by nouveaublogger on Tue, Oct 26, 2010, at 7:40 PM

After protracted reflection, this one is for the road:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C53QAuOoS...

-- Posted by Slater on Tue, Oct 26, 2010, at 2:56 PM

OKR and Slater - very nice to see you both and glad you enjoyed my weather report.

Speaking more seriously for just a moment, I want to express the hope that no matter what the weather is on Election Day, people will get out and exercise their very precious right to vote.

-- Posted by Miss Marple on Tue, Oct 26, 2010, at 12:04 PM

Miss Marple, I like your sense of humor. :)

-- Posted by Slater on Tue, Oct 26, 2010, at 11:53 AM

,>] Mornin Ms. M., sounds like itsa a wonderful day in your neighborhood.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Oct 26, 2010, at 10:52 AM

OKR, the weather here is all sunshine and smiles, with a chance of crankiness late this afternoon and additional thunder, mostly from the right, by evening.

Over and out.

-- Posted by Miss Marple on Tue, Oct 26, 2010, at 10:47 AM

How is the weather up there today? Any clouds? What sort of clouds? What about chances of rain?

Hope every one is having a nice day.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Oct 26, 2010, at 10:07 AM

Taking the point that in a town like Marshall, it is easy to figure out who is who, it is no great leap to conclude that "dovie" was already exposed by the original story. Further, it is likely that he/she thought that as his/her character had been impugned by the story, this online forum was a natural for defending one's self.

We would need additional input from Dovie as to the motivation. That how ever, is none of our business.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Oct 26, 2010, at 10:03 AM

One more try: In the landlord story, the owner of the properties is identified. According to the story, he has two properties. The tenant of one of those properties has written a long post here, which, even though the post is anonymous, makes it a lot easier to figure out who the tenant is.

-- Posted by Miss Marple on Tue, Oct 26, 2010, at 5:56 AM

NB,

Thanks for the info about the Buckner family and house. My daughter says she'll bid on it when it comes up for sale. :)

So, the mister won't let you have the p/u, eh? He must figure you'll outdo his entry with it. No fair!!! :(

Hope all is turning out okay for the young man discussed at your place the other day.

Had a joyful plane ride home - left KC at 1145am Saturday, got to Dallas to find the airport closed due to weather, circled for an hour then went to Shreveport for more gas and a 2-hour wait. Finally got to SA at 9pm.

-- Posted by Slater on Mon, Oct 25, 2010, at 10:59 PM

Ms. M.; "OKR - Sorry - I was not clear. I should have said - Since the landlord has already been identified, DOVIE risks being identified as a deadbeat by anyone who knows who the landlord's tenants are."

Now I am confused. Are you saying that no one rents from this particular landlord who is not a dead beat?. If so it appears that there is also a strong inference that the landlord is a slum lord.

Are you, in effect, saying that Dovie is a dead beat, and that the land lord is a slum lord?

Or; could it be that you are saying the land lord is a benevolent soul who searches out dead beats to rent his houses, in order that they may avoid homeless status?

Curiouser, and curiouser, tell me more?

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Oct 25, 2010, at 10:32 PM

OKR - Sorry - I was not clear. I should have said - Since the landlord has already been identified, DOVIE risks being identified as a deadbeat by anyone who knows who the landlord's tenants are.

-- Posted by Miss Marple on Mon, Oct 25, 2010, at 6:47 PM

Ms. M.: I fail to see how Dovie's comments would be construed by anyone as portraying the land lord as a dead beat. But then again, I am constantly amazed at some people's perspective as to what is posted here. You may be right.

As to the efficacy of this forum being a remedy for Dovie's grievance I think it has worked perfectly. Her concern was that her reputation was besmirched. She defended her reputation here, for all the community to read if they choose, and to agree, or disagree with her as they choose. Where else was she to defend her reputation?

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Oct 25, 2010, at 6:44 PM

OKR - it's not a question of keeping the comments narrowed. It's just my opinion that if dovie wants a solution, she won't find it here. And in the process, since the landlord is already known and named in the story, he or she is risking being identified as a deadbeat, at least in some people's eyes. That's unfortunate - actually, it's much worse than that - but all too true, as Smokin' Cheetah pointed out.

-- Posted by Miss Marple on Mon, Oct 25, 2010, at 6:06 PM

Afterthought: My personal thoughts are that both the landlord, and Dovie are victims of the horrendous down turn in our economy. Sounds like the landlord tried to work with her, sounds like Dovie was doing all she could. They appealed to allegedly available safety nets, and were both led on until they were advised sorry, no safety net exists.

Guess I better quit right now because this is bordering on politics, people's faith in each other, and faith in governmental, or quasi-governmental assistance. Two of the "little guys", both hurt by circumstance, and a long term relationship ruined in the bargain.

How sad, but that is America today.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Oct 25, 2010, at 5:53 PM

Where else could Dovie attempt to clear her good name, without litigation (which is expensive)?

It seems to me that her use of this forum is one of the good reasons that it exists.

Politics has already been sent to a secluded cave so as not to bother others. Religion seems to have barged in there as well. Seems to me that with the two main discussion taboos, politics, and religion already under quarantine, people should quit trying to narrow the scope of a column called "Speak Out". It is all about freedom of expression.

Maybe the blog should be renamed "Speak Out About Some Things", or "Opinions on Weather, Streets, and Buildings". Whoops, strike the latter one as Dovie's comment did have to do with buildings, and that caused a stir. Streets could too.

Let's just rename it "Weather Comments, and Positive Salutations" that shouldn't upset any one.

Revised format sample comment: Hello friends, I think it is a nice day, though I know the morning rain was disagreeable to some. I can see your point of view. You may be right.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Oct 25, 2010, at 5:25 PM

I agree with Smokin' Cheetah - this isn't the place to grind that kind of ax.

-- Posted by Miss Marple on Mon, Oct 25, 2010, at 4:14 PM

I see nothing wrong with dovie40 responding here. Most tenant/landlord horror stories seem to have two sides.

-- Posted by outsider on Mon, Oct 25, 2010, at 2:12 PM

Are they doing the trick or treat thing on the square this year?

-- Posted by mtshell08 on Mon, Oct 25, 2010, at 12:17 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Yes. It's 5 to 6:30 Friday, Oct. 29.

Went to the Marshall Cinema Saturday. It looks great. The prices were reasonable and the snack selection made everyone happy. The move I saw was Paranormal Activity 2, which was rated R. It was a full house. I was quite suprised that Thompsons allowed a family to bring their small children. At one point a little boy began running up and down the isle screaming, "I want to go home!" This is just one of the reasons I took my family to the Sedalia movie theaters. The previous owners would allow parents to bring their babies into rated R movies and to keep them from crying, loudy entertain them. I hope the Thompsons give this some serious thought if they want to bring movie goers back to Marshall.

-- Posted by rubyred on Mon, Oct 25, 2010, at 11:48 AM

Dovie,

Its nice to see that you stood up for yourself and called your ex-landlord to set things straight!!

-- Posted by ALM on Mon, Oct 25, 2010, at 11:32 AM

I am the tenant who formerly occupied the unit in this article. When the article was first bought to my attention by a friend I was very upset. I sat down to my computer and started typing a response to every slanderous remark made by Mr. Standley, and about the incidents that went on there, and before i knew it I had written page after page. I stopped typing and decided to wait until today to respond thinking that I would be calmer about the whole thing. Wrong. but I am not going to write pages just some simple facts that i feel need to be stated. I do not WANT to believe that Mr. Standley is a liarer and intentionally did this to try to humiliate my family, but i certainly do not understand why he made alot of the statements he did. We did rent from him for 6 years, not 4. The carpet was not new when we moved in and even with an ocassional carpet cleaning by me, having a little one, normal wear and tear, added to the fact that he did not want to give us time to clean after we moved our things, as i requested, are factors in the condition of the carpet. We NEVER "lead him on" as he stated as far as the rent. And I do not know why he says that "everything was fine until the last 2 years." We NEVER missed not one rent payment in the 6 years that we rented from him until june of this year when there was a temporary change in our income. We did apply for the HPRP program at that time and were told we were aproved as he stated. What he did not mention is that there is a process that applicants have to go through which is time consuming and requires a home inspection (which we passed), and paper work submitted by the applicant and the landlord. The program pays up to 6 months back rent. On Aug 27th he came to the house and told us that he went to the MVCAA and was told that there was no more funding . (by this time it is now 3 months with no rent payment and he is well aware of why, and like ourselves had been working with MVCAA.) He then proceeded to tell us that he needed us to be out by Sept 1st, which was 4 days away. Well to make a long story short, we spoke with legal aid and exercised our rights as tenants and received 30 days to vacate. this is how the months of "unpaid rent" accumulated. and although the court clearly set a date that he was entitled to his property, we were getting knocks on the door very frequently asking when we were leaving, we were getting phone calls at all times of night and early morning, even 5:00 am from him asking is he going to have to put us out. He would be outside at 8:00am when we would be leaving to take our daughter to school. And he HAD been in the apartment durning the time we rented it. I don't even have a clue what hole he is talking about in a cabinet. We did manage to get a place, and get moved, in that 30 days, 3 weeks to get it ready and less than a week to move in. We took the things we needed most first, because he made it clear "they" wer coming in at 12 noon on the deadline and would set our things on the curb if we were not finished. There was some trash, but also things we did not have time to get. Some of the things were in the bags in the photos and some was trash. He is the one who spread it all out on the patio. Not only that but brought some to our present address and dumped it on our lawn.

We spoke to him today about what he had said in the article and questioned why. He stated it was because he was upset by something that was said about landlords by a ? smith and ask if we seen it? I asked about his statement about our "leading him on" and not paying rent, reminding him that in 6 years we Never missed a payment until june of this year as i mentioned above. He agreed with me. I told him that is not what he said in the paper. We also reminded him about me calling him on the last day of our moving asking for extra time to finish moving and clean and him saying "no. 12:00 and they were coming in". He said he needed to start getting it ready to make some money. I explained that I did understand that, but he made it appear that we left all of that trash strung out on the back patio. He said "no i did that" I told him i was aware of that but he failed to mention that in the paper. I said we could have very well did the same to you when you came and dumped trash all in our lawn. He said you all knew i wanted to use those cans (which were ours). I told him he did not mention how he called us all times of night about moving and he said he called because he would wake up at those times of night worring about things. I let him know that we too had the same worries and also dealing with major issues. I told him that i feel as if the false statements made in this article are his attempts to continue to harrass us because he feels we "stold money" from him as he put it, by exercising our rights to have more than 4 days to vacate." I have had different friends speak with me about this asking if i am going to respond and telling me " i would say this about him or i would do that. Look what he is doing and saying about you. My response is "no, he was a good landlord for most of the time we were there. As a matter of fact, one of the best ones I have had.He would have things fixed right away when we needed. I am not responding to get back at him. I am simpley responding to correct false information.

-- Posted by dovie40 on Mon, Oct 25, 2010, at 10:30 AM

Slater,

Fair enough. I also understand your frustration in that the only two sit-down restuarants have smoking sections. Most others that I know of don't allow smoking. Maybe by next year there will be more. We could use more eateries here anyway and I'm sure anything new would be non-smoking from the get go. That's fine with me as long as it is a decision of the business itself.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Mon, Oct 25, 2010, at 10:16 AM

Just to put my 2 cents in - Wisconsin has banned smoking in pretty much all public places (including restaurants and bars).

I have to say I LOVED when I went out recently and returned home not feeling like I had to shower to get rid of the smoke smell in my hair after spending the evening at the bar.

I sympathize that smokers should be allowed to participate in what is, after all, a legal activity, and I'm not sure we should be banning smoking all over the place.

But I'm awfully glad to reap the rewards of this particular ban.

-- Posted by koeller77 on Mon, Oct 25, 2010, at 9:51 AM

WTF - You beat me to the apology. I guess we both got a tad defensive.

As usual, I didn't express my thoughts clearly. I wasn't implying that we need more legislation, because I agree with you and MrXray that some issues can be solved without government intervention, but in this case I believe government is only trying to protect us from ourselves since we don't always do a very good job of curbing our impulses.

I'm sorry we got crossways for a bit. I believe we're both on the same side.

When I'm ready to come back next spring, how about posting a list of no-smoke places to eat for me? :)

-- Posted by Slater on Mon, Oct 25, 2010, at 9:36 AM

Well, mrxray, I've read a good portion of the hearing transcript you referred to and was quite surprised to find myself in agreement with a point of view expressed in the magazine founded by the late William F. Buckley. I hope that's a conservative-enough viewpoint for you. http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/2...

What angers the extreme right-wingers about this case is that they thought they had the DOJ and the President by the neck, but they don't.

I'll just ignore your remarks about my ability to search for pertinent data.

-- Posted by Miss Marple on Mon, Oct 25, 2010, at 8:16 AM

xray,

Once again I agree with you and I'm really getting scared! Lol.

You stated exactly the point I was trying to make.

Slater, I apologize if my comments were a little brisk but your post hit me wrong from the get go and xray was able to put into words what I was trying to say.

I think if we want to live in a truly free country then we have to be able to put up with some things we don't agree with. There are alot of things that I can't stand but the difference I guess is that I'm not actively seeking to ban them.

I believe that most posters here if put in a room together could have a lively and respectful debate on the issues. I personally know a few posters and they are good people even though we may at times disagree.

These blogs are a place for us to vent. They can also be very 2 dimensional. With no physical expression or voice inflection it's easy to assume the worst sometimes. At least I'm guilty of that anyway.

Slater was venting their frustration and I get that but I don't think a new law or ban everytime something we don't like pops up does us any of us any good either. Especially for a private business. If we keep banning this and outlawing that, sooner or later they will get to you also.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Mon, Oct 25, 2010, at 5:32 AM

I hate being around smokers and their smoke. It is unhealthy and seeing first hand the effects of the diseases that smoking causes I cannot understand how so many people still smoke.

I wont eat in a place, normally, that does not have a non-smoking section and wont go back to them if I can smell the smoke in the non-smoking sections. That is my CHOICE. That is one of our freedoms, freedom to CHOOSE. The Owner of a private business has the RIGHT to CHOOSE if they allow smoking or not. Consumers have the CHOICE to go to those that do or to not go to those places.

We are seeing more and more examples each day, it seems, where the govenment and special interest groups are trying to force change or force choices onto us without our consent. Every time we allow things like soda or salt or smoking even to be prohibited this removes more and more choices and freedoms from our society. This in turn makes it easier for them to take away another thing next week or next month or next year. It is the weak of mind and those that refuse to learn why and how our nation was founded (Uneducated folks in my opinion) that are allowing the government to take over more and more of our lives. There will be no stopping the government if we dont take a stand right now to stop their intrusiveness and their desire for a nanny state that is the first step into governmental tryanny.

Having a group of elitists in DC making our choices for us is NOT a Democratic Republic founded on INDIVIDUAL FREEDOMS

-- Posted by mrxray on Mon, Oct 25, 2010, at 12:01 AM

miss marple... one would think that one with a computer who DOUBTED what I posted would simply do a quick google search... but beyond that there IS a link to the liberal leaning Washington Post that discusses this issue.

However to the point of a specific case... The point in fact was that there was a case that was heard and the court ruled against the defendent and charges were levied against the New Black Panter Party itself and against 4 people. THEN the DOJ enters the proceedings and forced the charges to be dropped on the NBPP itself and three of the people involved...even though NONE of the defendents every denied their guilt.

After you read the WaPo article, read this, Directly from the US Commission on Civil Rights.

http://www.usccr.gov/NBPH/04-23-2010_NBP...

pay particular attention to pages 7-9, mostly page 8, lines 8-22

This Commission requested information from the DOJ regarding this case and they were not responsive. They supeoned the Lawyers involved for the DOJ and then the DOJ itself... again showing arrogance and avoiding an honest and open investigation into these SERIOUS charges of voter intimidation. As we all know the DOJ is headed by Obama's hand picked person.

Anyway, this is a commission mandated by law that is an outside commission investigating this very issue and being stonewalled by Obama's Depart of Justice. It does not take a rocket scientist to follow the logic and make the determination that the actions by the DOJ are the responsibility of the President since he was the one that appointed the Holder to that position.

http://www.usccr.gov/NBPH/04-23-2010_NBP...

-- Posted by mrxray on Sun, Oct 24, 2010, at 11:49 PM

No..no hot pink pickup..the hubs won't let me have it! Actually it is sitting out on 240 where you turn to Orearville. I think he put a for sale sign in it! I look over there from time to time on my trips back & forth to Marshall, just to see if it's still there or he sold it and didn't tell me! HA! Well, hope to see you at the Steve McQueen Days, it is fun, if the weather cooperates. I guess the little town of Slater is going to light up the whole area this Christmas season, according to the Mayor. Do you think we should ask for a break on our electrical bills :-)

-- Posted by nouveaublogger on Sun, Oct 24, 2010, at 11:34 PM

Hi NB,

Yes, we did enjoy our short stay, and we enjoyed our visit with you.

No, I'd forgotten about the Wright house, or I would've asked you to refresh my memory. I also wanted to go out to the air museum and forgot that one, too.

Yes, we went directly to the house on Eastwood, thanks to the sleuths contributing to that previous discussion.

I met up with some of my old friends I haven't seen in 40+ years, there in Marshall last Monday and also another bunch in Kansas City on Friday.

I'm planning another trip in the spring to take in the McQueen Days thing there in Slater, among other things. Will you have your hot pink pickup ready to put on display by them? :)

-- Posted by Slater on Sun, Oct 24, 2010, at 10:51 PM

Birdman - I believe WTF is capable of speaking for himself when he chooses.

In case you haven't figured it out yet, the discussion centered around restaurants allowing patrons to smoke on the premises and the fact that legislation seems to be the only way to curtail it, since smokers are incapable of controlling their urges to light up.

-- Posted by Slater on Sun, Oct 24, 2010, at 10:42 PM

Slater; Glad to see you made the trip home safely and certainly hope you enjoyed you and your daughter had a pleasant stay. I wish you would have asked about the Wright house, I would have given you directions. Brunswick and Eastwood Streets are my favorites for all the Fall colors. The house your daughter liked so well is the Buckner Home. They don't live there now, but that is what the house has been named for many years. The Buckner Wellness Center at the Fitzgibbon Hospital Complex is named in their honor. Did you find the house on Eastwood with the window in the chimney?

-- Posted by nouveaublogger on Sun, Oct 24, 2010, at 10:33 PM

WTF - There are many communities all over the country that ban smoking in public places. You can't smoke in restaurants in Chicago or Los Angeles, to name just two very large cities. Like it or not, there will eventually be a ban on smoking anywhere. It won't be tomorrow, perhaps not in 10 years, but it's going to happen. As soon as people who object to smoking began to turn smokers into pariahs, which happened at least 20 years ago by my reckoning, the handwriting was on the wall. You want the marketplace to speak? It HAS spoken, in those cities I named and more. People who don't smoke do not want to eat in smoke-filled restaurants and they will take action whenever or wherever necessary to ensure they don't have to.

The best advice I can offer you is to enjoy your freedom in that particular area while you can, but recognize that your days are numbered.

-- Posted by Miss Marple on Sun, Oct 24, 2010, at 9:10 PM

"WTF - That's right, I generally avoid that kind of place, but I couldn't find any place in Marshall that disallows smoking."

Must not have looked too hard, there are several.

"Who the hell are you to conclude I'm that kind of person..."

I didn't see where they concluded you to be any kind of person...

"Values - That may be worth a try, but from what I've observed, it would seldom work."

So by all means, let legislate morality. I see that working out well.

"I have no objection to smokers endangering their own health, but I do object to their thoughtlessness where others are concerned."

Well then lets get prohibition going again, since people who drive under the influence put others at risk. Only if we're going to do it, lets go all the way include anything that, if used irresponsibly, puts others at risk. Fast cars, guns, fireworks, and laser pointers (ever got one in the eye? Really hurts, so lets ban it!).

"I happen to like eating my meal without having to inhale some inconsiderate person's tobacco smoke"

Unless, of course, that requires you to actually put effort into finding out if a place allows smoking before hand, not just complaining afterword. Or, I know it seems unthinkable, take your money elsewhere.

"The other day in the smoking section of Bloomfields a couple was there with a baby and blowing clouds of smoke all around it.

THAT'S what's absurd, to say the least."

Agreed. However- I do not have or want the ability to make it illegal for them to do so. Same with parents who don't make their children eat well, exercise, or let their children eat junk food.

-- Posted by thebirdman on Sun, Oct 24, 2010, at 8:37 PM

Free in what respect? Free from legislation? Hardly.

-- Posted by Slater on Sun, Oct 24, 2010, at 8:09 PM

WTF - That's right, I generally avoid that kind of place, but I couldn't find any place in Marshall that disallows smoking.

You don't know me and therefore you have no idea if I "scream" about the air.

Who the hell are you to conclude I'm that kind of person just because I happen to like eating my meal without having to inhale some inconsiderate person's tobacco smoke?

-- Posted by Slater on Sun, Oct 24, 2010, at 8:05 PM

It about the personal decision of how a private business owner decides to run thier business. The market will dicate the rest.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Sun, Oct 24, 2010, at 8:02 PM

Is this a free country or not?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Sun, Oct 24, 2010, at 8:00 PM

Values - That may be worth a try, but from what I've observed, it would seldom work.

The restaurant owners here got all beside themselves, saying banning smoking in their places would ruin their business, but that's not been the case. In fact, many places have seen an increase in business.

So, now the city council is proposing to ban smoking in the taverns.

Banning smoking in eating establishments is becoming commonplace. Your neighbor to the west - Kansas City - has done it. The city of Kerrville, TX (45 miles nw of here) has a citywide ban on smoking. The residents there can only smoke in their homes.

WTF - I've been in Applebee's there, and the second-hand smoke drifts all over that place as well.

-- Posted by Slater on Sun, Oct 24, 2010, at 7:59 PM

Let me say this about consideration. You say smokers have no consideration for others but it's you who walks into a private business, don't like what you smell and instead of leaving, which you were free to do, you immediately start screaming about legislation.

Who the hell are you to lecture anyone about consideration?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Sun, Oct 24, 2010, at 7:59 PM

Slater,

A law like that for a PRIVATE ESTABLISHMENT is absurd, period.

If you don't like it, DON'T GO THERE.

Bad parents, immoral smokers or whatever else you may think is a totally different argument that you can have with someone else. My point rests soley with wanting to establish a law to govern a private establishment. If the onwers choose to do so then that's fine but's that's also where it should end. Most resturants around here don't have smoking sections anyway. Next time, maybe you should go to one of those.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Sun, Oct 24, 2010, at 7:54 PM

WTF - Maybe you don't get out of Marshall enough. I live in San Antonio where all restaurants are no-smoke zones, and soon all drinking establishments will follow suit.

Maybe you smoke, and don't have any consideration for those who don't. Most smokers are that way.

I have no objection to smokers endangering their own health, but I do object to their thoughtlessness where others are concerned.

The other day in the smoking section of Bloomfields a couple was there with a baby and blowing clouds of smoke all around it.

THAT'S what's absurd, to say the least.

-- Posted by Slater on Sun, Oct 24, 2010, at 7:40 PM

Slater,

The owners of Bloomfields are themselves smokers.

While I understand that smoke may not enhance your dining experience, the comment you made about the city passing an ordinance is absurd.

Bloomfields is a PRIVATE business that happens to be open to the public. If you don't like it,don't go there. It should be the same with strip clubs or anything else.

Frankly I was rather surprised that you would have such a knee jerk reaction as to suggest yet another law.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Sun, Oct 24, 2010, at 6:52 PM

Well I respectfully agree with U Slater. Would be Greattttttt if we had a place that we could set down, enjoy R meal and go away without alllll that smoke in R lungs. As for Bloomfields, maybe we need 2 talk 2 the Manager, or owner and C if they would understand. What do U think?

-- Posted by values on Sun, Oct 24, 2010, at 6:37 PM

Congratulations Philemon.

I wonder what two teams will be in the Big 12 Championship game?

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Oct 24, 2010, at 5:57 PM

Good Citizens of Marshall:

I was in your fair city earlier this week for a couple of days, and I now see what you mean about not having somewhere to dine out.

I met up with a few old friends at Bloomfields, and the smoke filtering over to the "non-smoke" section was nearly too much for all of us. The food was good, but the air quality was lacking.

I'm not one of those reformed smoker types, but the city could do many of us a big favor if it prohibited smoking in a few of the public areas.

We stayed at the Comfort Inn, which is a very nice motel. It's easy to see why it won that award last year.

Last Sunday afternoon we managed to get a few snaps of the renovated courthouse, which looks GREAT! My sincere thanks to all of you who are responsible through your tax dollars. :)

My daughter LOVES the house at the corner of Brunswick and Eastwood (125 Brunswick I believe), and I'm sure I would too if I could see it. If anyone knows the inhabitants, please pass along our compliments. She spotted this one on our way to see the house with the window in the chimney.

NB, I failed to go by the Wright prairie style house you mentioned, mainly because I forgot where it's located. Maybe when I return in the spring.

-- Posted by Slater on Sun, Oct 24, 2010, at 4:52 PM

Oh yeah? Well (generic, incendiary, pointless, biased, and partisan comment)!!!

This is fun!

-- Posted by thebirdman on Sun, Oct 24, 2010, at 3:06 PM

mrxray, you said "Black panthers in Uniforms spouting racial slurs weilding night sticks, wishing death to white people and their babies which OBAMA's Dept of Justice dropped the case dud to racial issues."

What case is this? I mean SPECIFICALLY what is the name attached to this particular case? What are the names? Where can we find this information so we SPECIFICALLY know exactly what you're talking about?

If you don't quite understand what I'm asking you, here's an example: If I want to look at information on the Supreme Court decision involving abortion, I would do a search on "Roe v Wade." So let's have the equivalent case name that pertains to your quote, please.

Don't give me any web sites to visit, I can find those all by myself - just let's please have the actual name of the case.

-- Posted by Miss Marple on Sun, Oct 24, 2010, at 9:16 AM

MIZ

ZOU!

Go Vikings!

Now, if the Chiefs win today, it will be a superior football weekend. Reminds me of when the Vikings were 13-0, the Tigers were playing KU for #1 in the country and the Chiefs made the playoffs.

Good times ahead for all 3 teams!

-- Posted by Interested Too on Sun, Oct 24, 2010, at 8:42 AM

That was one heck of a win for Mizzou tonight.... Trash the Huskers next week!!!!

-- Posted by mrxray on Sun, Oct 24, 2010, at 12:43 AM

Even the liberal leaning Washington Post is writing stories about the Depart of Justice and Eric Holder's lack of willingness to prosecute any case that involves voter intimidation against white people.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con...

So... use some facts to support your accusations that conservatives are racist as a whole or as a majorty thought process of conservatives or that I said anything racist.

-- Posted by mrxray on Sun, Oct 24, 2010, at 12:42 AM

lol Come on Nanadot and Miss October... take this dare.

Find something that I said that is racist and copy and paste it and explain why it is racist. For a bunch of liberal 'intellects' (At least self proclaimed ones) it is pretty lazy and dishonest to use the Democrat tactic of calling people racist simply because they disagree with you politically or disagree with a half black president.

So unless you can provide people with FACTUAL basis for calling people racist then you really should stop using this tactic.... it only proves you are a liberal lemming that cannot think for ones own self and can only follow the rhetoric of the Democrat.... UNION thuggerish tactics

-- Posted by mrxray on Sun, Oct 24, 2010, at 12:36 AM

M-I-Z

Z-O-U!

-- Posted by Philemon on Sat, Oct 23, 2010, at 10:46 PM

Nanadot- I have noticed the same thing lots of words no facts, but just some racist propaganda replaced with other racist propaganda.Its still offensive and divisive to state that the president is out to get white people. I still can't find a page to write about this though.

-- Posted by miss october on Sat, Oct 23, 2010, at 8:47 PM

Miss october... I was NOT the one linking Obama to the Black Panther thugs... the facts do this. How? Because it is HIS appointments to the DOJ that are pushing policy that allows for the lack of prosecution of any civil rights abuses against white people... see the news stories coming out even in some liberal leaning news outlets regarding this issue. SO since he IS the the President and even though he rarely takes responsibility for any issue within politics or the running of this nation, and as part of his actions of POTUS, he appointed the DOJ chief and the DOJ stopped the prosecution of the Black Panthers in question then in fact they ARE connected... simple to understand.

As for the question you posed about if the intimidators in polling places were to have been white people... I would also call them thugs and if they were tied to the President by virture of his policies within the DOJ then I would connect the dots in equal fashion.. I know it is hard for you but most people on the right are capable of doing this exact same thought process... lol

As for calling people on welfare lazy... I have never said all people on welfare are lazy... I have said a great deal of them are lazy. Are you going to say that this is not the case?

More to the point; if welfare and other government entitlement programs are so wonderful why are they NOT working to get people out of poverty? Why are they not solving the individual issues that people are poor or homeless and other reasons for poverty?

A one size fits all approach where a handout is given out instead of real aid in overcoming life's problems is a failing system that causes people to lose hope and lie back in acceptance of their lot in life instead of providing them with motivation and real assistance to helping them get educated, medicated, counseling and other real efforts of assistance geared towarnd prompting and prodding instead of motivation killing and ineffective hand outs that are paid for by the tax payer while not having an end result of increasing the people actually contributing to society and its economy.

-- Posted by mrxray on Sat, Oct 23, 2010, at 10:16 AM

I was visiting with the owner the other and he gave me a tour of the premises. I couldn't believe all of the brand new restaurant equipment that was purchased and put in the building. The construction work on the inside looked like is was attempted by some local contractors that are totally incompetent. Mike Morgan the city building inspector stopped by and looked at the work and couldn't and wouldn't approve work that was absolutely pitiful. The front entry door wouldn't even open all the way. Water was leaking from a hole in the electrical room when they brought in the new electrical service. Water has been leaking from the roof down the mast pipe and running into the electrical box. The city inspector won't approve the type of work for obvious reasons and it all has to be reworked. I really don't know how the owner has been able to keep his sanity through this. The owner had brand new hardwood floors installed. The materials were received in February. I don't know if anybody doesn't know it but wood flooring has to be removed form the shipping cartons and allowed to acclimate to room temperature before it is installed. These particular products are to be allowed to acclimate for at least several days because of their thickness and the fact that they were really cold when they were delivered. The local contractor installed the flooring the next day. Now that the material has warmed up and expanded the flooring is buckled throughout the place. I could go on and on but the blog would be to long and I don't have that much time.

-- Posted by John Q. on Sat, Oct 23, 2010, at 12:02 AM

NannaDot, don't know for a fact but I heard that its not going to open. The people renovating the palce ran out of money, at least that's what I have heard around town.

-- Posted by momaster on Fri, Oct 22, 2010, at 8:40 PM

For years the conservation agents said there were no bobcats...now there is a season.

-- Posted by litlmissme on Fri, Oct 22, 2010, at 5:11 PM

Hey! Halloween's a comin'.

Does anyone have any good local ghost stories?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, Oct 22, 2010, at 4:36 PM

I was coming back to Marshall about 2am one morning. I was on 65 just north of the junction where you start down the first big hill.

To my right a I saw fairly large black mass lumber from the shoulder down the embankment towards a ditch and then it was out of site.

I would have bet my last dollar that it was a bear judging by it's movement but it happened so fast that I couldn't really see any definative features.

Who knows. Anyone else seen anything like that?

I should note this was probably 10 years ago.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, Oct 22, 2010, at 4:33 PM

WTF,

I agree with you. Pretty sure there is one out north of town around the old nursing home as well.

-- Posted by granny08 on Fri, Oct 22, 2010, at 4:22 PM

I suspect if you were to talk to locals who raise cattle they would tell you they have been around here for while.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, Oct 22, 2010, at 3:53 PM

The milk man who delivers to bms and the grade schools said that this morning when he was going north on 65 just south of the rock quarry that a cougar ran across the road in front of his truck. this was about 5;30 am, DNR has always claimed that there were no mountian lions, cougars or what ever you want to call them in saline county

-- Posted by mofireman on Fri, Oct 22, 2010, at 3:23 PM

Well done Samantha's dad!!!!!!

-- Posted by Gal66 on Fri, Oct 22, 2010, at 6:19 AM

k412,

I commend you for your honest and sincerity.

And you got a couple of good girls there.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Thu, Oct 21, 2010, at 3:05 PM

This is in response to the sports page posts about the cross country meet Sat. since they have locked the posts there. I am Samantha's dad and we do not beleive there was a push, big group and feet can get tangled. I have spoken with Coach Denton on the matter and he says the Hannibal coach runs a good program, the only poor sports are the ones who want to kept responding and putting each program down.

-- Posted by k412 on Thu, Oct 21, 2010, at 8:20 AM

Philemon I not going to be here to gloat on line (or endure the slings, and arrows of outrageous fortune). Going to a secluded mountain cabin with family this weekend. Will be able to watch the game.

Go Sooners!

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Oct 21, 2010, at 8:08 AM

OKR,

I've disagreed with you before, but never this emphatically.

Go Tigers!

-- Posted by Philemon on Thu, Oct 21, 2010, at 7:42 AM

GO SOONERS!

Boomer?

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Oct 20, 2010, at 7:09 PM

Has anyone been by the theater lately. It looks great...great movies to be shown this week-end. So let's all get out and support our hometown theater! Good luck to Paul and Kim.

-- Posted by tommob on Wed, Oct 20, 2010, at 10:24 AM

Bad link, and wrong forum.

-- Posted by Philemon on Wed, Oct 20, 2010, at 8:24 AM

Bad link Cheesehead.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Oct 19, 2010, at 11:08 PM

The right wing is at it again by trying to supress latino votes. There are urging latinos not to vote in Nevada, but some networks are pulling the ad once they caught on to this dirty trick. I'm not sure but I think this might cause more voters to come out. Check out this video and tell me what you think?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKFAiMbm1...

-- Posted by cheesehead on Tue, Oct 19, 2010, at 8:27 PM

FYI

There have been some questions about wide ballot issues. The full text of Constitutional Amendments 1, 2 and 3 and Propositions A and B are in tonight's paper, pages 6-7.

-- Posted by Eric Crump on Tue, Oct 19, 2010, at 4:57 PM

The Political Blog has been taken over by Religion! So i see your point! You need to start a Religious Blog! Politics and Religion don't mix,its been proven numerous times! Personally i could care less!

-- Posted by Jo on Mon, Oct 18, 2010, at 6:56 PM

I thought there was a blog specifically for politics!! Can we pppllllleeeeaaaaassssseeee move on!! That there is the only stickin problem with Marshall~~~~~POLITICS!!!

-- Posted by daisygurl22 on Mon, Oct 18, 2010, at 4:41 PM

I think I may have mis-spoken. The new health care legislation has a 3.8% medicare tax on capital gains in excess of $250,000 per year. This is being mis-stated by one political party as a "3.8% sales tax on real-estate" in order to disparage 'Obamacare.'

That has led to some well meaning GOP members in Missouri creating an attempt to ammend the state constitution to dis-allow such things.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Mon, Oct 18, 2010, at 12:26 PM

Hey, Eric Crump, is the Democrat going to do a story on Proposition 3 before the election? It appears that there is a large amount of incorrect information regarding this. It is NOT a sales tax on real estate transactions, it is a 3.8%Medicare tax on capital gains above $250,000 per year.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Mon, Oct 18, 2010, at 12:14 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
We'll accept letters to the editor on election issues through Friday, Oct. 22. We are not planning to do original stories on statewide issues, but if we find AP or other stories on the subject, we'll publish them in the paper if space is available.

So xray

You link Obama and Black panthers and call them thugs.Would you do so if they are white? In other posts you call people that need govt help "lazy". Where do you draw the line because I find some of your posts offensive! Enough of the Rush Limbaugh politcal comments already!

-- Posted by miss october on Mon, Oct 18, 2010, at 10:41 AM

Not trying to startle you but there are alternatives to Walmart.

-- Posted by broke-n-busted on Mon, Oct 18, 2010, at 10:07 AM

OMG thank God for Ramen noodles. With them you can make it.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Oct 18, 2010, at 10:07 AM

Enough politics...on to something important. Walmart has been out of Kraft Macaroni and Cheese for a WEEK!!! How are we supposed to live without macaroni and cheese I ask you?? Don't they realize my children may starve to death now? What's next, hotdogs? The horror!

-- Posted by OMG! on Mon, Oct 18, 2010, at 7:38 AM

OKR: You are right, we agree on something. BOTH sides suck at their corruption and desire to be swayed by any and all special interest bribery money and benefits.

Until the whole concept that a dollar equals a vote is changed politics will continue as per this means. The political party pressure that each party places on their members to conform to the DC bribery ring is sad and wrong and immoral.

But you cannot place the blame on evil big businesses soley because there are plenty of things like ACORN type entities, Unions, and issue specific groups like NRA and PETA and Code Pink (US Terrorists and Hamas Supporters) and many many other groups that lobby Congress with their temptation of dollars.

-- Posted by mrxray on Mon, Oct 18, 2010, at 6:19 AM

Cheeshead: Now you are not even making sense. If I owned a news company and I disagreed with the party in power, I would have no problem with stating that exact thing, nor would I have a problem with using my business to support candidates that were in line with my manner of thinking. Why? Because current government practices, entitlements, wacko spending, trillion dollar deficits, inconsistent laws affecting businesses, among other things are all BAD for businesses because businesses and ultimately the consumer will pay for this trend of bad for business policies.

America STILL has free speech, although the Obama campaign machine straight from Chicago school of thuggery which includes Union bosses sure like to attempt to intimidate people from using that freedom....... ala Black panthers in Uniforms spouting racial slurs weilding night sticks, wishing death to white people and their babies which OBAMA's Dept of Justice dropped the case dud to racial issues.

-- Posted by mrxray on Mon, Oct 18, 2010, at 6:15 AM

Xray you are correct. Obama got nearly a half million dollars from the G.E. PAC. ($499,130.00)

They are all bought, and paid for. Things won't ever be right until national elections are publically financed.

Interesting web site, this link. http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contri...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Oct 18, 2010, at 12:33 AM

My name is cheeshead and I approve of miss october's message.Finally some common sense about news debate and she is right on.This debate started over whether the YMCA should be allowed to play biased news filled with propaganda. CNN has moved to the right, but they are still credible. If you were a board member at a non-profit org would you biased newsorgs to play?The question isnt whether they have the right or not its is it wrong for them to use their political beliefs unto their members?Isnt this unfair and bad business practice?

-- Posted by cheesehead on Mon, Oct 18, 2010, at 12:06 AM

miss october... AGAIN... you espouse an OPINION. CNN may or may not have moved slightly toward the right, but any move they might have made still does not make them a right leaning institution.

They have a long way to go to make up for the blatant bias that they expressed during the 2008 campaign.

I also love the Bush Hate on here... lol As with ALL politicians they do some good and they do some bad. Look at how the media FAILED to vet Obama fully and completely ignored his associates and friends and scholastic mentors and teachers.

Anyone with any semblance of being rational has to acknowledge that this is NOT the common practice in the media's dealings with political people particularly those running for President of the US. Look how the media bashed and searched for anything and everything about Palin and even McCain.

My point is this.. who cares really if one news outlet or another is biase as long as each side can admit that THEIR side IS biased? Your opinions about Bush are fine, but you cannot blame Fox news for getting Bush elected... lol

I just think it is dishonest, intellectually, to think that it is fine and dandy for most of the media to be left leaning and then bash Fox for leaning right. As for Murdoch contributing to the Conservative movement and Republicans... do you REALLY think that GE is not contributing to ANYTHING that Obama is doing? And the Same group of people own GE as does. I mean GE's Immelt DID get some pretty good deals with regulations and laws and contracts and access to the White house... lol

-- Posted by mrxray on Sun, Oct 17, 2010, at 11:13 PM

xray,

After reading your comments it is you that is confused. I watch cnn frequently and they have moved to the right. I dont see anything wrong with that as long they dont start talking like those at fox. You should stop with the silly posts. I do agree that Fox news has lead the charge for the fringe right, but it is counterproductive. I did vote for Bush, which I was wrong for doing. It was Fox that portrayed him as sucess and they lead many down the wrong path when it comes to politics.

-- Posted by miss october on Sun, Oct 17, 2010, at 9:50 PM

Former Editor: I agree with your comments... the nanny state functions to eliminate any self thought and self reliability. It teaches those who are dependent on the government that they dont have to think for their selves to solve their own personal problems and they dont have to be personally responsible if they fail, even though life is not fair, not equal nor can the government legislate this to occur.

Once a person or a family is dependent on the government this behavior is passed on down to their children and grandchildren in an cycle that is hard to break because there is not system that causes them to think for their selves to find ways to work on life's problems for their selves. It is easier to just accept your current position in life and keep your hand out.

-- Posted by mrxray on Sun, Oct 17, 2010, at 9:29 PM

LOL Cheesehead. Actually you are the one who is confused. CNN is not by any stretch of the imagination leaning right... lol their opinion shows are left leaning. ALthough with new management this might change since they are getting pounded in the veiwership polls. MSNBC and all others lean toward the left in both their coverage of political news and their opinion shows. Chris, Pee running down his leg, Matthews, Rachel, it is my way or the highway, Maddow, Keith, the idiot ESPN failure, Olbermann and others are blatantly left leaning. I ALSO know, because I live in reality that Fox leans to the right. But I ask what is actually WRONG with that? If you think that is is ok that every other news outlet is left leaning why cant their be one that leans right? LOL Is this not a free nation, where free exchange of ideas and freedom of speech and freedom of the press are the basic cornerstones of our free nation?

OR are you advocating for the elimination of freedom? I mean YOU are the one who has just admitted to ONLY using the left biased news sources for your opinions... lol

-- Posted by mrxray on Sun, Oct 17, 2010, at 9:25 PM

Awhile back I was attending a family function at the park. The shelter house had been reserved and we were all talking, Then some Drunk collage kids half dressed came strolling up playing that Frisbee golf. The entire time they were near the shelter house they were cussing and acting like fools. Not to mention one of them was so drunk he could barely walk and his throw came into the shelter house almost hitting some one. Then they just strolled in cussing and telling people to get the F**K out of there way. Now this is unacceptable! Can we get these area's moved away from the shelter houses? I don't think people should have to endure people cussing especially if the shelter house is reserved. I Have heard that the basketball courts were moved due to Cussing by the players.

-- Posted by Selmac8 on Sun, Oct 17, 2010, at 9:11 PM

Talk about your controversial remarks

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20101017/wl_...

-- Posted by Night Sky on Sun, Oct 17, 2010, at 3:29 PM

Xray, audacious, and wrong, compounded by the fact that you know that it was not the left that ran us in the ground. Cutting to the chase, eight years of Bush Inc. Not that the Clinton eight was a savior to the nation. It was just a welcome relief from the Old Bush four, and the horrendous Reagan eight. By my count the Repubs have had it for all but eight years of the last twenty eight before Obama. Balderdash.

Oh, I forgot myself. So much politics here that I thought I was back in the politics cave. I will hurry on over there now.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Oct 16, 2010, at 8:04 PM

Why does FOX, or any news organization have to tell us they are "Fair and Balanced"? That should be a given.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Sat, Oct 16, 2010, at 4:04 PM

See if any news org calls the right out because there wrong they are considered biased. Everybody knows cnn tells both sides and has actually moved its coverage to the right as of late, but they still have the most neutral coverage. These folks on the right only want you to watch FOX, so they make the others look biased.XRAY does know that Fox is unfair and unbalenced, but he wont admit it. Simply because thats where he gets his propaganda.

-- Posted by cheesehead on Sat, Oct 16, 2010, at 1:11 PM

mrxray: You said "again: Cheesehead, miss marples and others who are complaining about fox news at the Y... LOL"

If you're going to use my name, at least make sure you have the facts straight. I commented on Fox news as being seriously biased. I made no comment whatsoever about the Y and what they're watching. I'm not a member and don't care.

-- Posted by Miss Marple on Sat, Oct 16, 2010, at 8:19 AM

Take a hint from the veterinarians in Saline County and vote NO on Prop B. Read the letter to the editor in Friday's MDN.

-- Posted by momaster on Sat, Oct 16, 2010, at 7:43 AM

Modern humans have less brain volume, less raw computing power than 30,000-years-ago prehistoric ancestors, according to a recent Discover magazine. Likewise, domestic animals have lower brain volume than their wild counterparts, for example, wolves vs. same size dogs.

Perhaps the reason is that both humans and animals have become "domesticated". Living in an organized system with specialty behaviors, we don't have to know as much. With the arrival of the nanny state, humans will have to know even less. Choices will be made for us and won't require creative or intelligent thinking. I doubt we will become brainless, but consider how functional ants and colony bees are as parts of a system. Essentially, use it or lose it.

-- Posted by former editor on Sat, Oct 16, 2010, at 7:33 AM

Xray,

How about a "news" organzation who's owner admits on camera that he "slanted" his news in favor of an uneeded war. That was FOX.

He "SLANTED" his news coverage in favor of an unnecessary war that cost the lives of thousands of innocent people. Lot's people made money though

and that's the American way, right?

If that man can sleep at night then I believe he is truly evil.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Sat, Oct 16, 2010, at 6:34 AM

Jo: If you are looking for the leftist version of evil vote for Carnahan... lol helpful dialogue

-- Posted by mrxray on Sat, Oct 16, 2010, at 4:36 AM

there is another name for people who just go along with group thought and cannot think for their selves.... lemmings. By espousing that YOUR opinion is the only one or the right one that is what you are saying all people should be.... a bunch of people that cannot think for their selves and just follow one another over the cliff.

But then that is the leftist mentality.... if you dont agree with them you are racist and extremeist and if they have an opinion that says some specific food item or ingredient can be harmful to your health if used in excess, then the left thinks that ALL people should just allow the enlightened elitist leftists make all their decisions for them...

-- Posted by mrxray on Sat, Oct 16, 2010, at 4:33 AM

nanadot... again.. opinions opinions. LOL the news is the news but even CNN has its talk show talking heads and THEY TOO are baised and normally towards the left and Obama.

At least I can admit that Fox news leans to the right and that the right is an opinion just and the left is an opinion. Just like CNN, MSNBC, ABC, NBC, CBS and any other news source is predominantly left leaning, for now.

So again, I say, you would just rather have 100% of the people have the exact same outlook on life and consequences be darned if 100% of the people turned out to be WRONG and drove our nation into the ground.....

-- Posted by mrxray on Sat, Oct 16, 2010, at 4:30 AM

again: Cheesehead, miss marples and others who are complaining about fox news at the Y... LOL

Basically the premise you are sadly attempting to espouse is that if ALL people do not have the SAME opinion as YOU then they are idiots, morons, uneducated, racist and just plain old wrong....

By this poor reasoning then we would also have to believe that you sadly do not think that having a wide range of beliefs and opinions is healthy to the determination in making choices in life.

So you are saying that you would be happy with a McDonalds but no Burger King, Taco bell and no Taco Johns... Walmart but not K-mart. Dillards but not any other department store. Quick Trip but no other type of gas station. I would assume you get my drift but if I look at your reasoning capabilities then I would be assuming a lot.

The whole "My opinion is right because I am an elitist leftist who is more enlightened than you therefore I have the right to tell you how to behave and think and what you can or cannot do" is tiring and short minded

-- Posted by mrxray on Sat, Oct 16, 2010, at 12:58 AM

Thanks for the tip, Outsider. I'll suggest that she start checking ID's at the door.

-- Posted by Slater on Sat, Oct 16, 2010, at 12:56 AM

hey Slater...don't let PETA find out about the wasp. They'll be picketing your barber's shop.

-- Posted by outsider on Sat, Oct 16, 2010, at 12:51 AM

Thanks for the info, ND. Actually, I was just being silly. I have no idea what's happening in the bee world. :)

Today while I was getting a haircut, my barber grabbed a can of hair spray and squirted a wasp that was hovering around her. The effect was like it had been sprayed with a bug killer.

-- Posted by Slater on Sat, Oct 16, 2010, at 12:14 AM

It seems I recall reading that European honey bees are becoming endangered because, in a power struggle, they're no match for the African ones.

-- Posted by Slater on Fri, Oct 15, 2010, at 10:56 PM

Since the Great American Pastime is now the pursuit of the Almighty Dollar, I thought it would be informative and interesting to have a look at the history of American money:

http://books.google.com/books?id=pPDn9re...

-- Posted by Slater on Fri, Oct 15, 2010, at 10:50 PM

NotGAS, hang on to those bees under your porch. Maybe they have developed some special immunity to whatever is killing the bees (30% in one season in many cases).

They maybe worth a lot of money to you some day. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Oct 15, 2010, at 10:49 PM

phill:If your looking for evil,Vote for Blunt!

-- Posted by Jo on Fri, Oct 15, 2010, at 9:46 PM

We have an abundance of Western Diamonbacks around here. I can bring a few along tomorrow if your crop has dwindled. :)

Hey OKR! What happened to all the Africanized bees we sent up your way?

Speaking of Diamonbacks, did anyone see the photo of the Eastern Diamondback that was found in a newly-constructed house over in Florida? It was like 15' long!

-- Posted by Slater on Fri, Oct 15, 2010, at 6:31 PM

If you are going to look into cap & trade, you need to research global temperatures and whether carbon dioxide leads to serious "feedbacks". It's interesting that the warming supporters don't tend to give as much easy access to raw data as the skeptics on line. I thought science was about being skeptical constantly. This site based in Australia (Google Joanne Nova or try http://joannenova.com.au ) can be mentally exhausting but does give directions or links to raw data sources. The data and discussion are pretty deep. I found a link there to Missouri temperature stations going back to late 1800's. I started in Saline County (Sweet Springs station) and looked at the average raw (unadjusted) yearly data statewide. I found no trend statewide and that the hottest periods seemed to be 1930's dust bowl days.

-- Posted by former editor on Fri, Oct 15, 2010, at 6:22 PM

I have read most of your comments. There is one thing that we all need to remember is that when the candidates say that they are going to do this or do that, they can not do a thing without the support of rest of the Congress. The same with the President, I am going to do this and do that, well that is a good campaign speech but if he don't have the backing of Congress, he will get nothing. I don't care if you are running for city, county, state, or a national campaign, without the support you are not going anything done. I hear so many states that they want to take back American. My question is where did it go. I here them say that they want the government stay out of the medical programs. Well, what about Medicare, Medicade, VA Hospital and some others. Some say that we don't need food stamps. Some would go hungrey tonight without it. I do agree that it has been abused and will be abused unless you have the ----- to turn them in for abuse.

That is my opinion.

-- Posted by slatermo on Fri, Oct 15, 2010, at 3:59 PM

WTF,

My solution is to read everything I can from all types of sources and try to decipher the bits truth for myself. On complicated things that can be tough, but it is usually easier with politics. I like to watch the candidates commercials to see what they claim, then search for proof that their claims are true. I really don't want to get into politics here so I won't mention names, but our current Senate race is a good example. Both candidates have made many false claims, mostly about their opponent, but one does it at about a 5 to 1 rate to the other. I don't really like the one I'm voting for, but looking at it as the lesser of two evils.

-- Posted by Philemon on Fri, Oct 15, 2010, at 8:00 AM

Nanadot,

It's interesting that you say that. I watched the Blunt/Carnahan debate last night. Yawn.

Everyone says what needs to be done, but not specifically how to do it. I was trying to find some independent info to educate myslef further on cap and trade. Unfortunately I'm not sure I can trust any sources from anywhere anymore. Especially the internet. Does anyone know where I can get good info without getting an agenda? Is that even possible?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, Oct 15, 2010, at 7:13 AM

As many know we are losing our honey bees. There was an article in last Sunday's New York Times insinuating that the cause had been found, and help is on the way.http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/10/weekinreview/10johnson.html?scp=6&sq=honey%20bees&st=cse

Not so fast, here is the rest of that story. What the scientist didn't tell the NYT about his study.

http://money.cnn.com/2010/10/08/news/hon...

File this one under concern fo sustainable agriculture.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Oct 15, 2010, at 12:46 AM

I thought it was unprofessional of them. They invited someone to their show that they knew had different opinions than some of them. Then they ask him a sensitive question and when his "view" differs from theirs, they walk out?

-- Posted by Night Sky on Thu, Oct 14, 2010, at 8:43 PM

Fox new's own Bill O just being himself makes comment that ticks the women on The view off which forces him to back up and apologize for his right wing propaganda. Now this is just 1 example of how fox news tries to slant their coverage, but he did it on another show and gets called on it. Congrats to the ladies on this show for taking a stand.

http://social.entertainment.msn.com/tv/b...

-- Posted by cheesehead on Thu, Oct 14, 2010, at 6:10 PM

I was born and raised in the country and love the various "scents" that we are exposed to every day. As someone said, it is the smell of money. I totally agree. If you don't like it, move to the city and you will notice some other "scents" that are far worse!

-- Posted by OldOwl on Thu, Oct 14, 2010, at 1:58 PM

Well JHH,

I'm sure that there are probably a lot of people on this board who think you and I spread a lot of "fertilizer" too. Lol ;)

-- Posted by What the f...... on Thu, Oct 14, 2010, at 12:55 PM

Ms. Gorrell,

You're a mite testy over the fertilizer issue, but I would expect that, since you're a farmer's wife. Don't misunderstand. I'm not here to argue against the use of fertilizers. It's that I have a concern for our environment, which is what prompted me to post the link about fertilizers. Too many people today are more concerned about the size of their bank accounts than they are about the future well-being of our planet and its inhabitants. I'm sure your cost/benefit analysis indicates it's not just the soil that's eroding.

Yes, I'm aware that technologies have made it possible for farming operations to be more efficient and effective in fertilizer use, and I'm sure many are putting these advances to good use.

As for the Corps of Engineers, my money will stay put. That bunch has, time after time, shown its lack of knowledge and understanding about the consequences of its actions on the environment, and the article you posted is just one more example.

I'm interested in seeing all the "proof" you say exists to substantiate your claim that lawn fertilizers are the cause of the dead zone in the Gulf of Mexico.

-- Posted by Slater on Thu, Oct 14, 2010, at 11:18 AM

Once again I will ask...is the MDN going to do anything on the upcoming proposition B that all of Missouri will be voting on? It effects everyone from pet breeders to farmers because if it passes it leaves the door open for those behine theis proposition to go after anyone who raises any kind of animal. I think MDN should do some reporting and present both sides of the issue. My last request received a reply that you didn't feel you had the time. How can you not have the time to cover what we are voting on? That's far more important than the majority of stories you cover in your paper.

-- Posted by momaster on Thu, Oct 14, 2010, at 6:56 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Prop B is a statewide issue. I'll look for wire stories or other sources that explain it.

There is no doubt that chicken litter spread on fields does not smell good. We too have smelled the smell and it will linger for a few days after application. But it is organic fertilizer. And it would smell the same if we had enough farmers left that each farmer had just 50 acres and 50 chickens and used their "own" chicken litter to fertilize. I had 10 chickens in a large chicken coop and hated to clean it because chicken manure smells terrible, whether it comes from my chicken house or a bigger one. (Of course every drop of manure from a big operation has to be accounted for - it doesn't in a small operation.)

As for the dead zone, it has been proven over and over that more chemical run off comes from suburban lawns and golf courses than from farms. (They figured that out when the farms went away in suburban areas but the deadzones got larger.)

Most farmers today use GPS technology to make sure we use no more fertilizer or chemicals than are needed - they are expensive. Besides that soil erosion (and chemical and fertilizer runoff) has been cut by 2/3 thanks to modern farming techniques.

And here is the proof - right here in Saline County the Corps is putting dirt back into the Missouri River, because they don't think it is "muddy" enough anymore to sustain the pallid sturgeon.

http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/20...

The bottom line is that we need fertilizer to raise food, but if it is "organic" then chances are it will smell, but of course if it doesn't smell then chances are it is "chemical." If we don't use either then we won't be raising much food.

-- Posted by Marcia Gorrell on Thu, Oct 14, 2010, at 12:18 AM

Wow, is there anything that doesn't suck anymore? :)

-- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Oct 13, 2010, at 9:58 PM

The dead zone in the Gulf of Mexico ranges in size from 6000-7000 square miles and is the result of chemical fertilizers carried to it in the Mississippi River. Marine animal life can't exist in the dead zones.

"Dead zones can be found worldwide(link to NASA dead zone page). The Gulf of Mexico dead zone is one of the largest in the world. Marine dead zones can be found in the Baltic Sea, Black Sea, off the coast of Oregon, and in the Chesapeake Bay. Dead zones may also be found in lakes, such as Lake Erie."

A high price is being paid by the indiscriminate use of chemical fertilizers.

This is not to say that animal waste fertilizer is safe. See the link I posted earlier.

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, Oct 13, 2010, at 9:20 PM

It is cool. We should be proud also of the Americans and others from around the world who helped make it happen.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Oct 13, 2010, at 9:03 PM

Praise the Lord all 33 miners are brought up from the hole under the earth . This was a miracle !!!!!

I had to cry when I seen them fall to their knees and thank God for their freedom.

I wish all the best of luck to them and their families.

-- Posted by buttons on Wed, Oct 13, 2010, at 8:55 PM

Here's an informative article about using animal waste as fertilizer:

http://www.sustainabletable.org/issues/w...

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, Oct 13, 2010, at 7:12 PM

My dad always told us "that is the smell of money". Just imagine what the countryside smelled like when that was all farmers used.

With the extreme costs of chemical fertilizers, many farmers are choosing to go back to the natural fertilizers, for the cost savings.

-- Posted by litlmissme on Wed, Oct 13, 2010, at 5:00 PM

I think we should all remember that with the exception of Indian tribes in the area, and maybe hunters and trappers, farmers were here first. And without them, Marshall might not even exist. If a little stink for a little while is all we have to complain about, we're pretty lucky.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Wed, Oct 13, 2010, at 4:42 PM

You know people next time you want to complain about the local farms try going 2 days with out food. I'm sure you like to eat and Missouri is SMACK dab in the middle of the farm belt. We grow the food that the world eats. Next time you want to complain about farmers, Don't do it with a mouth full of food! I Mean seriously where do you think food comes from? Space? Other country's? I think not. The US is one of a VERY few country's that can produce enuff food to feed its population and others so back off these farmers!

-- Posted by Selmac8 on Wed, Oct 13, 2010, at 4:29 PM

Yes, the odor is much worse east of town---especially around Orearville. Think of the poor kids going outside for recess. I've lived in the Orearville area for over 10 years and this year is one of the worst for the smell lingering around. But, guess the farmer has the right to fertilize his land the way he sees fit--too bad he doesn't think of the people in the neighborhood who have to stand the stench!! A couple of years ago it was so bad someone called a Columbia TV station and complained and they even came to Oreaville and did a story but bad publicity didn't change farming procedures. Guess its about the $$$ not the Public Relations!!!

-- Posted by Farm Mom on Wed, Oct 13, 2010, at 2:04 PM

Thanks for clearing it up GettinAround, the spouse said turkey litter...so close.

-- Posted by Scarpetta on Wed, Oct 13, 2010, at 10:55 AM

Buttons,

No, you don't understand, I have been to the source and it is chicken litter.

-- Posted by GettinAround on Wed, Oct 13, 2010, at 10:33 AM

I noticed that the VFW has a sold sign. Does anyone know what they are going to do with the building?

-- Posted by tommob on Wed, Oct 13, 2010, at 10:17 AM

I think to it is rotting grain, yesterday the smell was very bad and I live in the south part of town.

it took a few minutes to figure out what the smell was, when the wind is blowing in my direction, the smell will gag you,

I have been smelling this oder for a while, but did not realize what it was and it hasn't been as strong until yesterday.

-- Posted by buttons on Wed, Oct 13, 2010, at 9:29 AM

I suspect if you drive out east of town, around orearville, you will find that the odor gets much worse and you will find some farmer spreading chicken s--t on his fields.

-- Posted by GettinAround on Wed, Oct 13, 2010, at 3:05 AM

Night Sky - That sounds like a model solution! I'll pack a jar of Vicks instead. :)

-- Posted by Slater on Tue, Oct 12, 2010, at 7:01 PM

ooooo ooooo that smell! can you smell that smell???

-- Posted by speedfingers on Tue, Oct 12, 2010, at 6:47 PM

I, too, think it is the grain being dropped off at the local elevators. From my house, its seems more noticable when the wind comes from the north and blows by the elevators.

-- Posted by OldOwl on Tue, Oct 12, 2010, at 5:42 PM

Gee Eric, and all this time I thought you had a nose for news. GROAN! Sorry I couldn't resist.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Oct 12, 2010, at 5:16 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Heh.

FWIW, I just got back from a meeting and the smell is gone from downtown. Wind must have shifted or something.

Seriously...what is that smell??? I thought perhaps the town's sewer systems are messed up?? Any ideas Democrat staff???

-- Posted by RedAngel on Tue, Oct 12, 2010, at 5:00 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
I'd be interested in knowing the cause, too, but I'm afraid we're shorthanded today and can't spare anyone to play bloodhound. If anyone comes up with any clues, though, let me know. Thanks!

That's funny about checking your shoes. Before I realized it was "the smell" back again, I thought it was coming from the man who was walking in front of me as we left a store. Thought he needed a bath......

Slater, you can always put Vicks under your nose if it gets too bad :-)

-- Posted by Night Sky on Tue, Oct 12, 2010, at 4:42 PM

I'm arriving there on Sunday. Should I leave home with a gas mask?

Rotting grain makes a fierce smell. When I worked for the railroad I stepped in some, and the only thing I could find to kill the odor was shoe dye.

-- Posted by Slater on Tue, Oct 12, 2010, at 4:33 PM

How funny! I checked my shoes as well! Had my hubby do the same as we got in the car downtown!

-- Posted by litlmissme on Tue, Oct 12, 2010, at 4:28 PM

lol - I just minutes ago checked my shoes to see if I had stepped in something....

-- Posted by broke-n-busted on Tue, Oct 12, 2010, at 4:13 PM

Gal66, thanks for the info on approaching the Park about a possible walking/running/biking trail! I will do what I can to follow up and perhaps get something done!

-- Posted by OldOwl on Tue, Oct 12, 2010, at 3:59 PM

That's not how I'd describe the smell. It's more like soured grain, so maybe the grain elevators? Or old, really old, oil or grease. Con Agra or Hahn & Phillips perhaps?

You're right though about one thing. Good lord, IT STINKS!! It's worse in the center of town but I could still smell it when I got home.

How about some investigative sleuthing and reporting, Democrat News staff?

-- Posted by Night Sky on Tue, Oct 12, 2010, at 3:58 PM

Well, the poop smell is back around town. Isn't that a lovely image for our town?

-- Posted by BMSmom on Tue, Oct 12, 2010, at 3:51 PM

Speaking of the park, I went to the skateboarding event last weekend and had a great time. The kids did some amazing things that I'm sure would have put me in the hospital. I hope the disc golf championship on Oct 30th gets good attendance as well. Some very good players from out of town are coming and some of our locals qualified as well.

-- Posted by Philemon on Tue, Oct 12, 2010, at 1:48 PM

Wanted to make sure OldOwl and yodasplash got to see this

OldOwl and yodasplash

The walking trails are a great idea so are the mountain bike trails but you may have to do what the disc golfers did.

Take a plan to Mr Stublefield like the DG players did ask for some money and do the work like clearing the brush for the paths no I doubt you all could put the asphalt down but you sure could clear the brush.

The disc golfers are doing all the work to get the next course done just like they did with the first.

They have been clearing brush, setting new basket locations and now they are putting in the new tee boxes.

Some of the players are even taking their vacation time to work on the course.

get a clue have you talked to anyone on the city council about your ideas I really like the idea of the old rail bed as a trail.

Come on people if you want something in Marshall get off your duff and put some work into it you never know what could happen!!!!!

-- Posted by Gal66 on Tue, Oct 12, 2010, at 12:32 PM

The website that Marshall Cinema previously had still leads to B&B Theatres website. From my understanding, the Thompson's plan on using Facebook to communicate on the web until a website is formed.

-- Posted by Owl12345 on Tue, Oct 12, 2010, at 11:29 AM

Will the Marshall Cinema still have the same website? Does anyone know? I believe it is to open next Friday.

-- Posted by pumpkin08 on Tue, Oct 12, 2010, at 10:57 AM

I also miss those earlier conversations NanDot. There are times when I go back to read the earlier ones archived on this web site just to regain my sense of proportion.

I suppose that no matter how smug we each are about our individual virtues, all of us who post here, when taken together, are no more than a reflection of the ever increasing angst exhibited by the general populace.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Oct 12, 2010, at 12:20 AM

During the run up to the Iraq war, and during the early period of that war there was no Speakout on the MDN web site. There was a guest book that became a defacto "Speak Out". Much to the consternation of those in other places that just wanted to use it as a shout out to friends back in Marshall.

It became quite a lively location for discussion. I posted there (if my memory serves me) as Old Timer. Raytown Bill posted there. Needless to say the point counter point between the two of us was contentious. Sorry Bill, I was right, you were wrong on nearly every point of contention concerning the war. However, that is not the primary point of this comment.

I am wondering if any others of you who now post on this web site, also posted on that early predecessor? It seems that there was a congenial fellow by the name of Alvin who posted, a fellow from the Kansas City area, Joe, or Dan, and a few others. All in all there was more collegiality than exists now. Especially more so than on the politics Speak Out where it is all about challenge, and the reek of testosterone permeates the discussion (point taken NanaDot, Kf, et al).

If you are out there lets discuss then, and now.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Oct 11, 2010, at 11:29 PM

Nobody is stopping you from starting a new topic.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Mon, Oct 11, 2010, at 10:07 PM

Who "gives a rats ...!!" about Fox News. Lets move on to something else.

-- Posted by pennypincher1 on Mon, Oct 11, 2010, at 10:00 PM

Cheesehead,

Good points. The one that stands out most for me is that FOX owner Rubert Murdoch admitted in an on camera interview that he "slanted" his "news" in support of the invasion of Iraq.

He actively slanted his news programs to support an unnecesary war resulting in thousands of unnecessary deaths. How much money do you reckon' he and the Haliburton's made off of that war? I don't know about anyone else but I don't need any other reason to disdain FOX, though there are plenty.

I'll even concede that all opinion news shows will have a slant one way or the other. That's why they are oinion news shows. I also concede that Keith Olbermann is rather over the top and is designed to be the opposite of Bill O'Reilly.

That being said, sure thier opinions are biased, all opinions are but thier facts seem to be right on target. If the make a mistake, they will own up to it. I've seem them do it but it is rather rare. Glenn Beck for example preaches economic collapse and instructs hid follwers to buy gold, all while being in the employ of a company who buys gold for discounted prices.That's just one of many examples. I don't buy the "news entertainment" stuff either.

I don't think thier audience can really tell the difference. It's a sad state of affairs when the Daily Show on Comedy Central, which I would advise everyone to watch, is more accurate than FOX news. Rupert Murdoch owns a huge piece of our news pie. He can and does dictate how that news is to be "reported". That's all I need right there. Wasn't there a time when one entity was not allowed to own so much media simply because of what Murdoch is actually doing? Is he even a citizen of the US I wonder?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Mon, Oct 11, 2010, at 3:56 PM

If the MSNBC news team finds a Liberal that has done wrong, they jump on him like they do the conservatives,(when they will come on one of the shows!)Most don't want to be interviewed buy Maddow. Personally i think Rachel Maddow will be one of the greats in Political Journalism.She knows what she is talking about, and explains it from both sides with Documentation! In my humble Opinion! She has some Credentials, if you check!

-- Posted by Jo on Sun, Oct 10, 2010, at 9:36 PM

In the middle,

Please give us an example of Fox news going after Republicans.The only time this happens is if they side with the left. MSNBC recently had on Michael Steele, Rand Paul, and Ron Paul to name a few. The only Democrat that recently was on Fox was Bill Maher, yet since he is on the left he gets unscripted interview on FOX. Just watch interviews with Palin, ODonnell or any other high profile member on the right they are scripted interviews intended for promoting these individuals. The owner of Fox news says Democrats work for him, but he cant name any of them. So give us some examples of your statements!

-- Posted by cheesehead on Sun, Oct 10, 2010, at 8:44 PM

inthemiddle

Personally, I don't give a lot of credence to any political commentary. There is a place for their opinions but not in a news report.

When reading or watching a news report, I prefer facts. Just list the facts -- and leave out the opinion.

In my personal experience in watching Fox, I have found that Fox has to do a lot of corrections because they tend to omit facts or simply get the facts wrong the first time around. I haven't seen that problem at MSNBC at all. When they are reporting on a news story at MSNBC, they tend to simply report the facts and they tend to do so accurately...far more accurately than Fox News...and MSNBC does so with out injecting their station's owner's opinion/political slant into the report.

Let me know when Fox finally stops making mistakes and manages to report all the facts in their articles -- without all that opinion Fox News injects into each and every story...and maybe then I might start watching them more often.

If I could say anything to Fox News it would be ...give me the facts, skip your read of it, and I will decide for myself what my opinion is.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Oct 10, 2010, at 5:52 PM

"New melanoma drug may shrink brain tumors"

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39600007/ns/...

Now there is some good news!

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Oct 10, 2010, at 5:33 PM

No offense, but cheesehead do you watch the same MSNBC the rest of us do? I am not a regular viewer of either network, but from what I have seen MSNBC is as much, if not more in bed with Democrats, as Fox is with Republicans. Every time I have watched Fox it criticizes Republicans and has Democrats on their programs. I can't recall if or when I saw the other side on MSNBC or have heard strong criticism of the left on MSNBC. I guess I've missed it

-- Posted by inthemiddle on Sun, Oct 10, 2010, at 4:37 PM

At least MSNBC doesnt hire previous and/or possible future Presidential canidates and give them there own show. Fox news also scripts interviews with those running for office to make them look appealing to the public. Yes we know the MSNBC is also biased, but they arent on the same level as FOX. Fox is not only biased, but they promote the Republican and tea parties.You could watch this news channel if you choose but your facts will be rooted with hate and falsehoods.

-- Posted by cheesehead on Sat, Oct 9, 2010, at 9:28 PM

What city ordinance do you think is being violated by the Historical Society, movaldude?

-- Posted by Miss Marple on Sat, Oct 9, 2010, at 9:14 PM

Bcat,

As far as MSNBC goes I'm sure you would be better served than you would by watching FOX. But that is not what I said. You said that.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Sat, Oct 9, 2010, at 9:09 PM

Everybody is is ripping because it is a propaganda station and not a news station in which they use to build political unrest. The public needs to be aware because some only watch fox and think they report facts. Also when you get local non profit orgs like the ymca refusing to turn fox news so they can please their conservative board members. More need to voice their opinions when they are subjected to this hate propaganda.

-- Posted by cheesehead on Sat, Oct 9, 2010, at 8:26 PM

Does anybody know why the Saline County Historical Society seems to have disappeared? There never seems to be anybody in either building. I think that it is a waste for two buildings to never be opened. It is like missing two front teeth. Charming on little children but pretty poor for adults and communities.

Who is the Saline County Historical Society? Do they have members and are any of them active. What do the members think of the situation?

Something should be done about it! Are they in violation of any city ordinances?

-- Posted by movaldude on Sat, Oct 9, 2010, at 8:25 PM

Good one Bcat, I can't believe all these people ripping Fox New's. By doing so are they being politically biased? I watch all major new's network's and try to put it all together. To bad both of our political parties don't get their head's in the game and do something other then run this Great Country into the ground.... Let's hear it---GO CHIEF'S

-- Posted by Marshall Man on Sat, Oct 9, 2010, at 7:22 PM

Bcat - ANY station would be better than Fox, in my opinion. WTF is right on target. If you're depending on Fox to inform you, you're woefully UNinformed.

-- Posted by Miss Marple on Sat, Oct 9, 2010, at 7:17 PM

john henry's hammer - the Freedom of Information Act applies to documents controlled by the U.S. government, not to local agencies like the Marshall Police Department.

-- Posted by Miss Marple on Sat, Oct 9, 2010, at 7:14 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Which would be subject to the state's Sunshine Law to determine whether they were public documents.

http://ago.mo.gov/sunshinelaw/

What the f,

You implored us to get our news from anywhere but Fox. Somehow I suspect that you would prefer that we all switch the channel to the "unbiased" MSNBC.

-- Posted by Bcat on Sat, Oct 9, 2010, at 4:34 PM

I talked to a dpt mgr..The reason they are bare the shelves is that the dpt mgrs can not order anymore and that have more depts like the pets has paper goods and houshold chemicals...They believe that the automatated computer system should work in theory it should work but when they put up the new mods(new plans for the shelves) you have to adjust the shelf cap the amount the space can hold for items...its not working bc wal mart is trying to find a cheaper way to do business eliminate their employees btw i use to work at walmart when they started the changes and this program would work if the data that is imputed is right. They are adjusting to a new program however this is based on if the counts of items in the store is right and the biggest problem is they took it out of the hands of the local store and depended on a computer program that is using bad data.

-- Posted by Jason1969 on Sat, Oct 9, 2010, at 12:38 PM

upsedaisy,

Your comments as to why Walmart shelves are bare are valid points, however I don't think that's necessarily the reason for the shelves being bare in the Walmart in Marshall. First, the Marshall Walmart is a new building, only 5 years old, so they are not remodeling this store. Second, Walmart Corp is remodeling/upscaling stores in larger markets where they face competition. There is no competition for Walmart in Marshall. They won't spend the money to upscale a store that has no competition. They will, however, raise the prices where there is no one to compete with them.

-- Posted by Reader101 on Sat, Oct 9, 2010, at 12:00 PM

Thanks Jo, but I wish I wasn't. Alas, reality bites.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, Oct 8, 2010, at 11:08 PM

On the subject of WalMart: The company has embarked upon remodeling many stores across the country. The stock seemed to dwindle in the one I visit most often and that was intentionally done. While the store was undergoing extensive renovations they needed more room. The store stayed open. Sections were cleared, so work was done in one area at a time. The store is nearly finished it looks more "up market" w/laminate wood floors. Merchandise is arranged more carefully. Jam-n-cram seems to be out. The Wall Street Journal reports WalMart has raised prices across the board.

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Fri, Oct 8, 2010, at 11:06 PM

WTF: You are absolutely right. It's taken us 2 years to make what progress that's been made.Seems we are always in a transition from one Party too another! 4 Years is not at all enough time for a President,or a Party to correct the damage that's been done!We are in the right direction but not there yet! If the people would just take the word of the Republican Party,we will not have any Social Security,no Social Programs,No Infrastructure improvements,actually no say about anything! I think the USA has almost been sold out, if the people don't wake up! What other reason would they have to contribute that kind of money to a Campaign? They are pulling the stops out too keep things the way they have it now! Missouri Elects This Roy Blunt to represent the people of our state,they should check out his record! Our State is in the hands of the people of Missouri! When you walk into that Voting Booth you better know the People Your putting in office,everything is at stake this time?

-- Posted by Jo on Fri, Oct 8, 2010, at 10:39 PM

us male,

You forgot to mention that 80% of republicans believe the president is muslim. If a majority of republicans watched fox news which they do they would know he is christian, but they don't get facts they get propaganda.

-- Posted by cheesehead on Fri, Oct 8, 2010, at 9:27 PM

24 hour Cable News , latest poll among high school grads and above show FNC has 47% of all veiwers, MSNBC takes last place with 8%. I have noticed that they do have equal number of Liberal and Conservative guests on comentary / opinion shows. On the top news program SHEPARD SMITH does lean to the left. Just remember to make a profit they must reach to the numbers.

-- Posted by US male on Fri, Oct 8, 2010, at 9:11 PM

Marshallman,

The problems you mention in Marshall are not unique. Unfortunately they are systemic around the country in all but the wealthiest levels of society. FOX is part of the problem. The are in fact the propaganda arm of the GOP and the GOP will stop at nothing to obstruct any meaningful and helpful legislation to help the rest of us out of this economic mess. The GOP has absolutely no interest in helping the greater good, (that's you and me, by the way). Thier only motivation is to obstruct any progress what so ever just so they can say I told you so come election day. Why? To regain power and revisit alot of the failed polices that got us here and made them even richer. We are just beginning to gain ground on the economy but we can't stop now. We will continue to need govt spending to bridge the gap. That is just a fact. Not an opinion about whether or not the govt should spend the money. There are times of dire need such as our current situtation in which the govt is the only entity that can and should do something. No more stimulus money the GOP screams while at the same time scrambling to keep in effect 700 billion in tax cuts for the wealthiest 1% in our country. Good for everyone,right? The wealthiest 1% in this country control at least 50% of the wealth. The GOP would rather protect thier tax breaks then spend a similar amount of money on a crumbling infrastructure that would also create untold jobs for many skilled workers.

Go ahead, vote for the republicans, adopt the "let them eat cake" attitude and see where that gets us.

What you are experience folks is the rich proctecting thier gated communities while you and I can go straight to hell as far as thier concerned. Maybe you'll get lucky and the rich will let you mow thier lawn, rake their leaves or wash thier car because for them it's never enough.

Democrats are not magic nor perfect but I firmly believe they are at least trying to watch our back and we have to help them. On election day we can suffer short term memory loss and be blinded by our frustrations in the lack of progress or we can think rationally and realize that these issues take time time to resolve. We are making progress, don't impede what we've achieved by being uninformed or at worst gullible. On Nov. 2nd we can storm the bastille so to speak.

I implore everyone to not only pay attention but for all that is holy please get your information anywhere but FOX.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, Oct 8, 2010, at 7:51 PM

just a question,

The only stories you can not comment on are the stories where someone has been charged with a crime or they have been sentenced. The paper says this is because people were out of line in their comments and they don't have time to "police" the blogs.

-- Posted by toesrcute on Fri, Oct 8, 2010, at 7:48 PM

Most do go to the YMCA to workout and it is great for Marshall, but thats not the point.The point is that the board members or whoever is selecting stations are doing so by their political biased. There are better things to talk about, but there also needs to be some awareness raised on this issue. We all know that Fox news is not a legimate news site and shouldn't be played in a public forum.A non profit org has no place for propaganda especially when the community is supporting it.

-- Posted by cheesehead on Fri, Oct 8, 2010, at 7:40 PM

By reading this forum it seems as if out-of-towners could get into trouble just by showing up in Marshall. Should I be prepared to relinquish my hardware at the city limit?

Mention was made recently that the shelves at Wal*Mart are nearly bare. I suspect one reason is that the Walton brats owe China a lot of money, and the goods are being held until the bills are brought current.

-- Posted by Slater on Fri, Oct 8, 2010, at 7:26 PM

I'd like to extend a HUGH thank you to Missouri Valley Soccer, the kids are having a great time!!

-- Posted by Scarpetta on Fri, Oct 8, 2010, at 6:53 PM

Why can you only comment on some stories and not the others? Is it my computer or is it set that way for a reason??

-- Posted by just a question on Fri, Oct 8, 2010, at 6:44 PM

outsider, yes it is a slow week when all one has to gripe about is a T.V station. I go to the Y for a work out.

imaloony, the Y has 4 set's and keep's the following station's on Fox News, CNN News, ESPN, and WDAF-4.They keep them all muted so if someone doesn't like Fox watch one of the other's or drop your membership if your that affected by Fox or feel the Y board is being biased and come on we know that's not the case. Our Y is the best thing to happen in this Town. Real issue's in our City are Job's, School's, and run down empty property all over. Let's all work at taking care of problem's like these instead blowing a gasket over Fox New's on at the Y.... Can I get a GO CHIEF'S...Peace Out.

-- Posted by Marshall Man on Fri, Oct 8, 2010, at 5:40 PM

As distasteful as only having Fox News on the YMCA tv's may be to some, there really isn't anything that anyone can do about it short of appealing to the board or discontinuing their membership. Even though the YMCA is non-profit, it is still a private organization and can, therefore, be as politically biased as they like.

-- Posted by imaloony on Fri, Oct 8, 2010, at 5:00 PM

Slow week??? Surely you all can think of something other than a TV station to argue about.

-- Posted by outsider on Fri, Oct 8, 2010, at 4:27 PM

Fox News on at the Y, easy fix watch one of the other set's or go out there to work out not watch T.V.

-- Posted by Marshall Man on Fri, Oct 8, 2010, at 4:11 PM

So the local YMCA refuses to turn off the propaganda channel Fox news, employees citing that several members of the board like fox news and have even requested CNN to be taken off tv's. This sounds like members of YMCA's board and head employess are politically biased and using their power to keep biased network playing at non-profit site. Not sure if Susan Smith the director has final say or if members of the board do? Regardless of idealogy is it fair for the YMCA to play such of role when it has non-profit status?

-- Posted by cheesehead on Fri, Oct 8, 2010, at 3:08 PM

I heard the man that owns the drugstore in Slater is putting in a drive-thru liquor store on 240 down near where the old Skelly station was.

There is a new clinic being built there on the main drag that parallels the tracks. I understand Fitzgibbon is going to staff it.

There is just something inherently wrong about a drive-thru liquor store. Not knocking the man that is building it, just the system.

The clinic is very right.

-- Posted by red dog on Fri, Oct 8, 2010, at 1:21 PM

It's Friday!

Panhandler Alert at Yerby & Odell.

-- Posted by hunterfisher on Fri, Oct 8, 2010, at 12:44 PM

john henry - I don't see why not!

Of course, that's being hopeful that people are actually reporting it. But if they are, even if no ticket is issued, they probably have the infomation somewhere that the complaint was called in.

-- Posted by koeller77 on Fri, Oct 8, 2010, at 12:18 PM

momandgramma -

I'm a secretary, so I guess you could say I'm an order taker.

But I am not someone who believes that anonymous complaining gets me anywhere. If I think something is wrong, I check out my sources (city code, etc.), and get my ducks in a row to make sure I have proper evidence & documentation. Then I start going through a logical list of people to contact to find out how to fix it. If I don't get a satisfactory answer, I find the next person on my list.

I have been on the wrong side where I was accused of something I didn't do. You're right... sometimes it's very hard to get the "right thing" done. But I also believe that giving up doesn't get me anywhere.

I stand by my comments. If people believe that there is illegal police activity (quotas, profiling, etc.) than they need to gather evidence & documentation and take the proper steps to have it remedied. Complaining here doesn't do anything to fix it.

-- Posted by koeller77 on Fri, Oct 8, 2010, at 10:59 AM

Hey MDN!

What are they building on Highway 240 in Slater. Next to Craig's Car Care? People working there and a sign that read:

"Materials Donated By Menard's"

They took down that old restruant the other day.

-- Posted by ieatsuperglue on Fri, Oct 8, 2010, at 10:49 AM

koeller77 wrote

"Gal66 -

If that's the reality than DO something! Gather up your evidence and take it to the police chief, the city council, to somebody that has the power to do something! Complaining about it doesn't do anything.

-- Posted by koeller77 on Fri, Oct 8, 2010, at 7:53 AM"

koeller77 the chief has beed asked about this, the paper did a story

http://www.marshallnews.com/story/166191...

I know for a fact our our city admin. was contacted my the lady in the above story and she did nothing about it.

I know for a fact they do give tickets to people that have wrecks, the lady that was driving that car in the story above caused a wreck sometime ago by running a red light she was given a ticket, my daughter had a health issue just last year and caused an wreck by running a stop light was given a ticket.

I know for a fact that the police officer that came to the store last weekend did nothing about the problem except let the kid walk.

I also know for a fact that someone that worked at the same store was given a ticket for selling to an under age person fined and put on probation for 2 years and was not able to work at the store any longer or anywhere else that sold liquor.

So dont get on here telling people to do this or that because in this case all of this and that had been done more than once and it does no good!!!!

-- Posted by Gal66 on Fri, Oct 8, 2010, at 10:32 AM

koeller77

I am not the brightest crayon in the box here but...

I'm not exactly sure which side of the table you are seated at

1) Are you the one who barks the orders?

2) Are you a person that takes orders?

3) Or are you allowed give input and and things you say can make a difference?

4) Or do you just walk on same side of the street rest of us citizens walk on?

I can honestly say the advice you are handing out is very good and sound advice but it is only on paper is not enforced for all equally. unless you have actually been put into a position of innocence and you had actually try and use these proper steps and get failed all over again then in my heart I see why everyone vents here.

-- Posted by momandgramma on Fri, Oct 8, 2010, at 9:46 AM

momaster - I am told by a Wal-Mart employee (not from Marshall) that the public needs to make the corporate office know that they are very unpleased with the way they are running the company. Why do they let the stock run so low? I am told that the reorder system is not working as it should and it doesn't make any difference what the local stores want to order, corporate has control.

I was also told that corporate is putting fabric back in some stores. The customers of these stores have waged a campaign of calls and letters to corporate demanding the fabrics back. Sorry, the party shop just doesn't do it for me!!! Does anyone else want to start a letter writing campaign?

Seems like WalMart is having lots of issues these days. momaster I am with you we need a "real" grocery store. Does anyone know someone at Price Chopper corporate head quarters???? It would take a business with deep pockets to fight the grocery store at WalMart. I hope that everyone keeps in mind that the prices at our WalMart are not necessarily the lowest. You had better do some price comparisons.

-- Posted by walkingblind on Fri, Oct 8, 2010, at 9:13 AM

John henry -

All city ordinances can be found at: http://library3.municode.com/default-tes...

Type "Noise" into the search engine at the top, and it will return several ordinances, including the one about disturbing the public peace.

I'm guessing that it's another hard one to enforce, due to the fact that you have to know who is doing it (names) and then file a complaint and produce evidence of some sort, I'm sure.

-- Posted by koeller77 on Fri, Oct 8, 2010, at 9:10 AM

Gal66 -

If that's the reality than DO something! Gather up your evidence and take it to the police chief, the city council, to somebody that has the power to do something! Complaining about it doesn't do anything.

-- Posted by koeller77 on Fri, Oct 8, 2010, at 7:53 AM

john henry's hammer

What time was you hearing the music?

I may be wrong here but I think as far as noise goes you have to be willing to sign a complaint and go to court.

Have you called the police department to try to find the answer to your questions?

-- Posted by Gal66 on Fri, Oct 8, 2010, at 7:49 AM

Selmac8 - if you are correct that it is coming from ConAgra, it concerns me a little as to what exactly goes in to those dinners. By the restaurant I ate at last night, it smelt like a dumpster, and in my neighbor and around my work place it smelt like dog poop. Little frightening to think about!

-- Posted by outsidelookin'in on Fri, Oct 8, 2010, at 7:03 AM

while we are solving the worlds problems can we do anything about the grocery shopping situation in Marshall? I would give my right arm to have a REAL grocery store in town. We have the worst Patricia's and it sure looks like the promised move and expansion to the old IGA will never happen. WalMart is a joke lately. I went in at 8 the other morning and there were empty shelves all over the store. There were items with no prices on them. No bags or ties in the produce department, no wax bags in the bakery. Someone please being us a REAL grocery store!

-- Posted by momaster on Fri, Oct 8, 2010, at 6:51 AM

koeller77 you are wrong the police in Marshall do infact give tickets to some and not others that are in fact violations of the law case in point the off duty State Highway Patrol officer that ran a stop sign and caused and wreck and yes the lady talked to the chief and our wonderfull city administrator who was very upset but did nothing about it!!!!

Also the officer that was called to a local store when a person under the age of 21 tried to use an altered ID to buy liquor with all he did was send himon his way no ticket nothing.

Why do the people that sell alcohol in Marshall even check ID's?

They do their job check the ID's like the law requires report any problems but the police do nothing about it.

And Eric just for you and your under the veil of anonymity position.

My name is Tony Gossett I am real easy to find just ask around.

-- Posted by Gal66 on Fri, Oct 8, 2010, at 6:37 AM

No that is not the smell of a hog operation, Trust me that has a smell you can't confuse with anything else. That smell is coming from Con Agra, I walked around town and it was strongest over at there building behind the Caseys on Arrow. Man its great having that place right off the square. :)

-- Posted by Selmac8 on Fri, Oct 8, 2010, at 1:51 AM

The smell is one of the hog operations. It happens a couple of times a year when it is mostly calm with only a slight breeze to blow the smell into town. In the past, it has usually been Ham Hill out southwest of town.

-- Posted by red dog on Thu, Oct 7, 2010, at 9:47 PM

Does anyone know why it smells so bad all over town? I thought it was just at my place of work, but I was out this evening and it is all over town!!! It is awful!

-- Posted by outsidelookin'in on Thu, Oct 7, 2010, at 8:54 PM

Thinks out loud !hmmmm do not see that happening on paying half do not count on that! hear could not count that he even filed a claim the lady had do all the filing thru his insurance get things started yeah just thinking out loud

-- Posted by momandgramma on Thu, Oct 7, 2010, at 5:28 PM

I was trying to get some feedback on the local YMCA. The YMCA is a non-profit org and most of us know that. Should they YMCA be allowed to choose their own tv stations based on the board members political viewpoints? Being a non-profit org shouldn't they be neutral in selecting stations that members have placed in front of them? Whether your on the right or left a tax free org shouldnt be playing politics with the communities money.Does anyone agree?

-- Posted by cheesehead on Thu, Oct 7, 2010, at 3:58 PM

thanks okr

-- Posted by zeke on Thu, Oct 7, 2010, at 2:45 PM

I meant ads, sorry for the typo.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Oct 7, 2010, at 2:32 PM

Try this link Zeke for starters. Bear in mind that these figures only state the amount of money the campaign of each candidate has raised. It does not include the money donated by any one in the world, corporate, or individual which has no limit. A lot of the trash adds are funded by these sources. http://www.opensecrets.org/races/electio...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Oct 7, 2010, at 2:30 PM

does anyone know where we can get a list of what candidates are spending on this election - national, state, and local races?

out here in the western part of the state there seem to be a lot of commercials, signs, radio, etc. being taken over by the candidates - have been for some time now. must take a lot of money to get elected.

just wonderin

zeke

-- Posted by zeke on Thu, Oct 7, 2010, at 1:24 PM

Maybe the hi way patrol that got off of his ticket for hitting another vehicle...will split the $208, just sayin.

-- Posted by pumpkin08 on Thu, Oct 7, 2010, at 11:48 AM

$208.00 for a simple moving violation - not using a blinker? That seems excessive to me. Maybe $50, but $208? Ridiculous.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Thu, Oct 7, 2010, at 11:13 AM

ALM - According to AAA, Missouri state law is as follows for who is permitted to ride in the back of the pickup truck:

Persons 18 and older; persons 17 and younger if the vehicle is not being operated on a highway which is part of the state or federal highway system or within the corporate limits of any city. Exceptions for employment; agricultural activities; parades; where there is a device to keep the passenger from being thrown or falling out of the vehicle; special events; assisting people in a recreational activity; family owned truck with insufficient room in the cab for all passengers; inapplicable to pickup trucks with covered cargo areas

-- Posted by koeller77 on Thu, Oct 7, 2010, at 9:18 AM

My comment/question was not so much about seatbelt laws as it is about a law against allowing people to ride in the open bed of a pickup truck.

-- Posted by ALM on Thu, Oct 7, 2010, at 8:52 AM

ambsum - likely you received a ticket because it is both state law & city ordinance (Article III, Section 29-70) that you MUST use a turn signal when changing the direction of your vehicle. That includes pulling out of a parking lot onto a street.

Look guys, the police are only human. They're going to ticket you for things you think are stupid (but are in fact violations of the law), and they're going to miss ticketing people for other things (even if YOU saw it). There are no quotas (they're illegal), and they're not giving some people a pass or a hard time because of their name, race, or income. It's ILLEGAL for them to do that.

If you truly believe that the police are doing that, you need to make a complaint to the proper authority (police chief, city council), and you need to have some sort of proof. Complaining anonymously on the speak-out section, and asking Eric to investigate probably isn't going to get you a very satisfactory outcome.

-- Posted by koeller77 on Thu, Oct 7, 2010, at 8:07 AM

Dont pull out of the sonic drive in without using your turn indicater . It costs you 208.00 dollars . The ticket was given just after we got our new police dog . That should of bought allot of dog food .

-- Posted by ambsun on Thu, Oct 7, 2010, at 7:26 AM

$170.00!

-- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Oct 6, 2010, at 11:17 PM

I recently received a ticket on one of my cars, Tags expired, I didn't get a thing in the mail but what ever, I should have been keeping up. The ticket isn't the problem. The problem was I had to take the ticket up to the Police station to even find out what it was for because I couldn't read the thing. It almost looked like a blank ticket, The transfer thing they use didn't work right and the officer didn't ink over anything, But decided it was a good Idea to leave it on my windshield anyway. So I know I have to pay the ticket. Who cares its like 170 bucks. But I decide to go up to the city offices and file a complaint about the ticket being illegible. I get there at 4:30 P.M. on a Wednesday. Place is locked up tight. Try again the next Tuesday at 4 P.M. Place is locked up, When is a working person supposed to get in to see those elected to represent them?

-- Posted by Selmac8 on Wed, Oct 6, 2010, at 9:16 PM

Thank u koeller.

-- Posted by Scarpetta on Wed, Oct 6, 2010, at 6:56 PM

If we are talking about my post and I am sure you are. I have this to say.

Even Ray Charles could of noticed a car PARKED on the sidewalk. Furthermore, it proves how well the police in this town are.

-- Posted by ieatsuperglue on Wed, Oct 6, 2010, at 4:47 PM

Scarpetta, I would venture to guess that if you had a complaint about a police officer, it should be made first to the police chief. If he does not give you a satisfactory answer, you should then be able to go to your City Council Member from your ward, or perhaps address the issue in a City Council meeting.

-- Posted by koeller77 on Wed, Oct 6, 2010, at 3:46 PM

So you are saying you don't know if you called the person back? I find that practically hard to believe.

-- Posted by Scarpetta on Wed, Oct 6, 2010, at 3:12 PM

Oh looks like I was correct. Why delete that one Eric?

-- Posted by Scarpetta on Wed, Oct 6, 2010, at 1:54 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Same reason.

Since I'm sure my other post will be deleted also, why don't I ask and you provide some beneficial information to us concerned with the law enforcement in this town. How would a concerned citizen go about issuing a formal complaint about the police department? Oh and not going to MPD is what I'm looking for.

-- Posted by Scarpetta on Wed, Oct 6, 2010, at 1:35 PM

I'll be waiting for my explanation. There were no names called. No names mentioned. So why was that post deleted? Other than because someone wanted to?

-- Posted by Scarpetta on Wed, Oct 6, 2010, at 12:49 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
The "someone" who wanted that post deleted was me.

It's too easy under the veil of anonymity to make accusations against someone of illegal or unethical behavior. I have no way of knowing the truth of the matter, and reputations can be damaged even if the claim is untrue. So posts like that are often deleted. If you have specifics you'd like to provide to a reporter so we can do some checking, that would be fine. Call 886-2233 or email ecrump@marshallnews.com.

And while we are on the subject of laws...isn't there a noise ordinance law in Marshall? I think there is. I bring it up because last night the PA system at the college stadium could be heard at my house 3/4 miles away with the windows shut! Why is that OK? Some people work shifts that require them to sleep at 9:00! Thanks Valley.

-- Posted by momaster on Wed, Oct 6, 2010, at 11:49 AM

You have sidewalks? WOW! Consider yourself lucky.

-- Posted by momaster on Wed, Oct 6, 2010, at 11:45 AM

I once parked partially on the sidewalk at like 11pm and found a ticket on my car the next morning. The time on the ticket said it was given at 3 am. Does not excuse it but really who is walking down the sidewalk at 3 am on the north side of town where there is no businesses to be walking to? I really didn't even know it was against the law.

-- Posted by granny08 on Wed, Oct 6, 2010, at 9:01 AM

ieatsuperglue -

I'm guessing the law you were talking about could City Code Sec. 26-31.

"Vehicles not to obstruct public way.

No vehicle shall be permitted to stand upon any boulevard, parkway, avenue, street or public place to the obstruction of the same or to the inconvenience of travel. (Code 1967, § 26-22)"

That said, it's also possible that they had permission to park there(for unloading or something) or that they were only partially blocking the sidewalk, or that the MPD officer was dealing something else more important and intended to come back later to ticket the person if they were still there. It's also possible that they WERE ticketed and you just didn't see it.

-- Posted by koeller77 on Wed, Oct 6, 2010, at 8:26 AM

ALM - I believe Missouri has what is called a "secondary seatbelt law"...that is, unless there is another infraction occurring (speeding, etc.), they can't pull you over just for not wearing your seatbelt.

In addition, only drivers and passengers seated in the front seat are required to wear their safety belts, unless the passengers are under 16 or the driver has an intermediate license.

-- Posted by koeller77 on Wed, Oct 6, 2010, at 8:18 AM

Speaking of law breaking and the MPD letting it slide....what is with all of these people riding in the back of pickup trucks? The Valley football team is notorious for riding back from the Y and the park in the back of trucks. I saw 3 kids (maybe BMS age) riding in the back of a truck yesterday. You cant tell me that the MPD doesnt see it. Do seatbelt laws not apply if your in the back of a truck?

-- Posted by ALM on Wed, Oct 6, 2010, at 7:46 AM

Hey Superglue, as many sidewalks in this town that get blocked by parked cars had me thinking it was legal. Do you mean to tell me it is against the law to block a sidewalk?

Maybe the PD should be enforcing this city ordinance. It would sure help us walkers stay on the sidewalk and not get on the street.

Have you noticed all the cars parked on driveways with their back ends jutting into the street? Then you wind up walking onto the middle of the street instead of just the gutter.

Come on PD. Enforce the doggone law. Maybe the PD guys don't even know it is a violation. That would be a bigger shame.

-- Posted by red dog on Wed, Oct 6, 2010, at 6:48 AM

"Citizens arrest!, Citizens arrest!!" As quoted from Gomer Pyle.

-- Posted by wheresthelove on Tue, Oct 5, 2010, at 10:16 PM

Eric,

Here's a small story for you. Might want to put this one in the paper. It's Great!

I was walking down a sidewalk today and some "nice" person was parked on the sidewalk. Kind of against the law? Anyways, they were "really" important. In fact, they were so important, a Marshall police officer drove past, and did nothing. As I looked toward the vehicle, I noticed it was a white Chevy HHR, and it was a MDN employee. (I assume, since it was parked outside the building.

So, why can this person break the law and MPD do nothing about it? Don't delete, as now people will want the TRUTH.

-- Posted by ieatsuperglue on Tue, Oct 5, 2010, at 9:35 PM

I'd actually like to see Warren Buffet run for President.

-- Posted by Reader101 on Tue, Oct 5, 2010, at 9:17 PM

trump running for office wouldn't be that much different than what we have in washington right now - a bunch of rich people with extremely deep pockets getting richer on the working man's dime and on the payouts by the special interests and corporations they "work" for - dems and repubs alike - don't think he'd make much a president though - that hair bugs me

just thinkin out loud

zeke

-- Posted by zeke on Tue, Oct 5, 2010, at 2:36 PM

I heard on the news this morning that Donald Trump is seriously thinking about running for President in 2012. It would be interesting to see if the people of Marshall would vote for him. Can we get a new poll??

-- Posted by ALM on Tue, Oct 5, 2010, at 8:02 AM

Upsedaisy, good to see that you're still afloat.

As for me, I stopped posting over there (or slowed dramatically) due to the irrationality of some posts.

I'm agreeing with OKR that sharing verified, truthful information about candidates is a good idea, but not over here, since we have a specific forum for that type discussion.

This side should remain as is, the place for us UFO lovers and aircraft-identification spotters. :)

The preliminary report I saw had a rogue asteroid striking the earth in a field outside Carrollton. Officials are waiting for the smoke to clear before investigating.

-- Posted by Slater on Mon, Oct 4, 2010, at 11:46 PM

Regarding bringing politics back to this forum: Jo recently lamented the disappearance of a number of folks from the political give and take. There are a number of possible explanations: health issues, family crisis, the economy or just fatigue w/the current misspelled repetitive missives of the few. If you post more than four or five times per day to the same message board, you're probably 34 years old and living at home in your parents' basement.

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Mon, Oct 4, 2010, at 11:11 PM

UFO UFO UFO UFO UFO...

-- Posted by mrxray on Mon, Oct 4, 2010, at 11:03 PM

Once upon a time the mother of all flying objects landed near Devil's Tower in Wyoming. Could that have been it?

-- Posted by Slater on Mon, Oct 4, 2010, at 10:06 PM

This close to a military base, the chief suspect for a loud, unexplained noise is a "sonic boom," which occurs when a flying object breaks the sound barrier.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Mon, Oct 4, 2010, at 6:29 PM

Eric,

Yesterday there was a loud boom, around 1100 A.M. people have told me they heard it here in Marshall. I live in Gilliam and it schook my windows. Some people have said the same thing about their home in Marshall. As far as I knew, when we hear a loud boom it means they messed up something in the rock quary. I have also been told they where looking all over in Carroll County for something related to the boom. Do you have any information?

-- Posted by ieatsuperglue on Mon, Oct 4, 2010, at 6:19 PM

I'd love to see just one ad from every candidate that isn't slapping the other guy around. Every ad I see from Candidate X is about his/her opponent and what a sleazeball he/she is. I'd appreciate it very much if Candidate X would tell what HE or SHE is going to do for me, and never mind the other guy!

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Mon, Oct 4, 2010, at 5:57 PM

Slater that is all good stuff at the League of Women Voters, and there are others. The problem is that most people won't take the time to review it. I will review that, and other sites. I will post it somewhere on this website when the time is nigh. I will try to get solid info on all the candidates, and post it.

Down here we can not even get a third party candidate on the ballot. We have the most restrictive ballot laws in the nation. The good old boys on the center right, and far right make sure it stays that way. There is no viable center, or left wing politics here. Thus we have Jim Inhofe, and Tom Coburn, generally considered the most ridiculed, and nuttiest Senators in Congress allegedly representing the people of Oklahoma.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Oct 4, 2010, at 5:10 PM

Has anyone ever looked at candidate information available from organizations like the League of Women Voters, for instance?

-- Posted by Slater on Mon, Oct 4, 2010, at 4:37 PM

Now with that I am through. I have a compulsion to do what I can on behalf of my nation. I know it is at a crossroads. My hope that things will get better is faint.

I might add the following for those that wonder why I have become involved in the political discussion in my beloved home state, all the while living in Oklahoma.

The people of my poor adopted state are pinned down by theocrats, and Big Oil. They own it lock, stock, and barrel. There is nothing here that I can effectively do. I believe that Missouri has not fallen so far, and still may throw off the bonds, and rise to her potential. We must try.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Oct 4, 2010, at 3:37 PM

Point taken Kathy, and Philemon, and I don't disagree that we need no more "sludge".

I did state that I appreciated the need for special rules regarding opportunities of this nature.

I do not think we need anyone's opinion other than the candidates, and their campaigns during the proposed two week period. We do not need any arguing back, and forth about polical theory, nor any of the rest of the flotsam, and jetsam that is spewed on the political blog. In fact I think that sort of caterwauling would destroy the concept.

I had in mind more direct reporting of the verifiable positions of candidates, where they get their money, their personal backgrounds, their public backgrounds, and of alerting the voters to mistatements by the candidates, or their organizations. That sort of thing. And I am not talking about unsupported comment. Each statement would have to be supported by links, or other information verifying the source. Would it put the candidates on the hot seat? You bet. I am of the opinion that there are those among us of all political persuasions who would do that hard work conscientiously. All would profit.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Oct 4, 2010, at 3:22 PM

As if to prove my point on saturation with politics, I received yet ANOTHER phone call from a political party about 2 minutes ago, wanting to know who I'd vote for. I've had ENOUGH - those who want to discuss politics should go to the political blog and thrash it out there without involving everyone else.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Mon, Oct 4, 2010, at 3:12 PM

Sorry, OKR, but it's been my observation that the majority of postings on political subjects are not at all objective - and certainly they are not more objective than the rest of the sludge we're forced to wade through every election cycle. We do not need yet ANOTHER place for the discussion of partisan politics.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Mon, Oct 4, 2010, at 2:57 PM

Personally, I prefer things being left as they are. I read all of the comments on the political blog, and so can anyone else who wants to. We are already bombarded with politics during every commercial break on television and radio with no choice but to put up with it or make another trip to the fridge. In this case, I totally agree with Kathy (shocked) and it's the 2nd time today since I read her blog earlier.

-- Posted by Philemon on Mon, Oct 4, 2010, at 2:54 PM

That was part of the reason I brought it up Kathy. I agree we are bombarded with ads. A whole lot of B.S., and very little substance. Compounding the problem is that those with the most money dominate the air waves. No one knows about some third party candidate that may have very good ideas, but very little money because the candidate hasn't sold out to any special interest.

Without some out of the box idea such as this, or others, we will never have a chance to fairly appraise all the candidates for election, nor really know in any detail where any of the candidates stand on issues, nor what lies are being told about opponents.

Yes, there are other sources to get to the truth, but frankly most people won't go to the trouble to dig it out. Instead they will just go with their gut reaction influenced mainly by the brainwashing ads provided by fat cats with vested interests touting their candidate.

It seems a small price to pay for the furtherance of informed democracy, for folks to give up the opportunity to exclusively write, or read, local non-political doings on the Speak Out forum for two weeks.

Furthermore it is not as if they can not still air their diverse opinions, nor read others. For two weeks out of the fifty two weeks in a year to share, not give up, their Speakout, a small price to enhance voter knowlege, and informed democracy.

It is only easy access sites such as this that can successfully compete with the carefully made up faces of candidates, and their cohorts, telling carefully made up thirty second sound bites.

In this time of great peril to our democracy which is slowly slipping away, how can we not try every means available to save our nation? Will this small thing make a difference? We don't know. We have to try.

Looking at this subject broadly how unpatriotic is it to selfishly say, or think, I do not want to give up my little comfort zone for one minute to allow others to take what small measures they can to save our foundering federalist republic, in this, one of our nation's darkest hours?

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Oct 4, 2010, at 2:52 PM

Normally, I am in tune with most of Oklahoma's ideas, but reopening this space to political discussion will, I think, drive a lot of people away. There's plenty of space on the other blog for anything anyone wants to say. We are already bombarded with signs, with TV and radio ads throughout the political "season" and even beyond - please keep at least one place where other subjects can be discussed without the disruption of yet MORE political garbage.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Mon, Oct 4, 2010, at 1:17 PM

Note: this was originally posted on the political Speakout blog. I posted it here to see if the readers of the original Speakout blog who are relieved that politics is gone would tolerate for just two weeks preelection, this intrusion. We are in danger of losing the right for the less well financed, but perhaps excellent candidates, to get their message to us. It is about saving our democratic way of life.

Thank you.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Oct 4, 2010, at 12:34 PM

Eric I have been thinking about the following concept for a while so I thought I might broach it to you so that you would have some time to think about it.

Would you consider reopening the front page Speakout to politics for the period of two weeks prior to the upcomimg election?

We the people will be bombarded by television adds pro, and con, concerning the many candidates. Most of those sound bites will lack depth, and be created solely to elicit an emotional response from potential voters.

On the original Speakout venue (which has a greater exposure than this one) we (left, right, and center) could give truth to the lies sometimes promulgated in media advertising, and detail to the discussion.

I see it as a service to the community.

Many folks will not take the time to garner an in depth comprehension of candidates positions. That forum could be an excellent resource for folks who need an expedient source for additional information regarding the candidates.

It could become a virtual village square where proponents of candidates could tout the virtues of their candidates, and/or defend their candidates against false attacks.

Further, in this day of candidates with the most money often having an unchallenged forum it would give the actual candidates, especially those with less resources, an opportunity to present their ideas on at least one even playing field. That to me should be the American way. We must come up with ways to assure that every one has an equal chance. I truly believe that innovative steps such as this will help to take the money out of politics.

I can appreciate the need for special rules regarding opportunities of this nature. On the original village squares, speakers were occasionally pulled from their stumps, and subjected to eye gouging, groin kneeing, ear biting "wrasslin". In a virtual village square incendiary remarks that lead to such behavior can be whisked away with the touch of a key. The best of both worlds, eh?

I can also appreciate that you have a publisher to whom you must answer. This concept may be a no go because the publisher says so. I hope though that instead they, if not enthralled by the opportunity to enhance the democratic process, will consider the potential for increased readership.

Thank you.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Oct 4, 2010, at 12:03 PM

What was the loud boom on Sunday morning? I heard there was an explosion in Glasgow but no details.

-- Posted by Bambi on Mon, Oct 4, 2010, at 9:52 AM

LOL at Smart Dog with this group of players nothing would surprise me!!!!

There is also some talk of having a glow tournament the night before, if that does infact happen then I may just have to see about getting it set up as a haunted glow tournament ( this was an idea passed on to me by a friend at work).

-- Posted by Gal66 on Mon, Oct 4, 2010, at 9:12 AM

What I want to know, Gal66, is are the disc golfers going to have thier Halloween costumes on? Or they optional?

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Mon, Oct 4, 2010, at 9:01 AM

Just an FYI

On 10/30/2010 Marshall Parks and Recreation & Indian Foothills Flyers Marshall's Disc Golf Club will be hosting the Championship round of the 2010 Bluebird Championship Series Disc Golf Tournament.

Some of the top players in the state will be here a total of 60 players have qualified to play in this event ranging from Novice to Professionals

Marshall has 6 players that qualified to play in this event

Play will start at 9AM

-- Posted by Gal66 on Mon, Oct 4, 2010, at 8:49 AM

Thanks Slater.

My home is on high ground. It is down slope from the main road, so water has hit the basement. HVAC, hot water tank are all on concrete bases 8" above floor. After Fran's 20" we did have water, but it did not climb higher than the bases. Floods are no fun. Downeast has been hard hit. After previous flooding, some communities, raised homes and created open foundations. So many needs so few funds.

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Sun, Oct 3, 2010, at 10:53 PM

Typo, Hall of FAME, not Hall of FLAME. LOL

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Oct 3, 2010, at 10:49 PM

Jo here is the plaque listing all the Colorado honorees. http://www.coloradoaviationhistoricalsoc...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Oct 3, 2010, at 10:27 PM

Jo I posted this on the place where we have been writing back, and forth under the courthouse news story. I did not want you to miss it so I am also posting it here. It is an article in memoriam to Jimmy Donahue, your uncle, that is associated with his induction into the Colorado Aviation Society Hall of Flame in 1970. You probably already knew that he was also called "Dare Devil" Donahue.

You will also note that the article states that he was one of the founders of The Nicholas-Beazley Aircraft enterprise. If he is not recognized out there at the museum, maybe one of the locals that read this blog can work toward correcting the error.

I hope you enjoy this. I know I did. http://www.coloradoaviationhistoricalsoc...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Oct 3, 2010, at 10:20 PM

red dog: Thanks for your comments!

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Sun, Oct 3, 2010, at 8:26 AM

Read Kathy Fairchild's blog and it just may alter your way of thinking. I have maintained all along that our town was in the waiting mode, ready to jump into the future.

We don't need "fly-by-night" business' coming to town, using all the concessions given them, then flying somewhere else. We need to give aid to those steadfast business concerns that are here.

Good times are coming.

-- Posted by red dog on Sun, Oct 3, 2010, at 7:46 AM

I don't know how all the gravel roads are in the county but I traveled on some north and west of Marshall and they are in terrible shape. Most places they are not wide enough to meet any oncoming traffic. The water has washed ditches down the road because the water can't get to the ditch. Some places there was still water standing in the road and it hasn't rained for a week. Where they have pulled the ditches they left the berm where water can't get to the ditch. Maybe our tax dollars aren't enough to hire experienced grader operators.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sat, Oct 2, 2010, at 8:48 PM

Upsedaisy,

It's my turn to wish you well after hearing our weather person talking about the amount of rain that's fallen in your area. I hope you aren't having to resort to moving about by boat.

-- Posted by Slater on Sat, Oct 2, 2010, at 10:38 AM

According to City Manager Connie Latimer, yesterday's big jet belonged to Shelby Howard, the driver of nationwide Series Car #70 that made an appearance both at MVC and also last night at Stone Hedge. Latimer said, "I spoke with Shelby last night and they were thrilled with the fact that they could land here instead of landing elsewhere and traveling here by vehicle."

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Fri, Oct 1, 2010, at 4:11 PM

I wAnt to know from the community, does the MISSOURI VALLEY COMMUNITY ACTION AGENCY help very many people in this county or what is the deal? I have tried to get assistance on a few ocassions and each time i am told that "there are no funds" this time i was told i was put on a waiting list and called back after almost a month and still received nothing. when i reminded the worker that i had called weeks ago and was put on a waiting list, she said "i'm sorry". I was just wondering if anyone else has had these problems or if in fact have been helped by this agency.

-- Posted by dovie40 on Fri, Oct 1, 2010, at 3:17 PM

Eric, just a comment about something you wrote. MCC....does that mean Marshall COmmunity Chorus? That's the MCC I know.

-- Posted by momaster on Fri, Oct 1, 2010, at 3:04 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
My comment referred to Marshall Cultural Council, a nonprofit arts organization formed in August with a twin misssion: Support the arts in Marshall and support Marshall in the arts.

Marshall Community Chorus is well-established and well-loved in the community, but we don't want to cause confusion between the two, so we will spell out the names whenever the two organizations are mentioned in the same story or comment.

Mtownresident, at least twice yesterday a big jet of some type took off and/orlanded at our airport in Marshall! Not sure of the ownership of the plane, but the roar of its jet engines was pretty sweet and I'm sure could be heard all over town.

-- Posted by OldOwl on Fri, Oct 1, 2010, at 2:44 PM

Eric, I bought my tickets yesterday for the upcoming dinner for MCC. The music was a nice touch as well!

-- Posted by OldOwl on Fri, Oct 1, 2010, at 2:42 PM

I agree, OldOwl. I had a great time and met some terrific artists. If it helps, Marshall Cultural Council will be hosting an art show at its fundraising dinner Friday, Oct. 29, at Marhall High School. We expect a smaller version of the Senior Center's event. I talked with Kathy Tyre and Pat Peterson and they definitely plan to do the show again next year. MCC also will host an art show and craft fair March 26 at MHS, and we hope to have more events like this.

-- Posted by Eric Crump on Fri, Oct 1, 2010, at 2:05 PM

"Art Under the Stars" yesterday at the Senior Center parking lot was just awesome! When can we do this again and get even more local artists involved? You just don't realize how many talented artists we have in this area until you attend an event such as this! MORE, MORE, MORE, PLEASE!!!!

-- Posted by OldOwl on Fri, Oct 1, 2010, at 1:59 PM

I have noticed there are a lot of new names running for election this go-round. Will the MDN be doing anything in the way of candidate interviews prior to November? Please don't wait until the night before the election to run it. People need time to read about the candidates, and make intelligent decisions. Right now I am wondering what qualifies a lot of these people to run for office. Also, there is a lot of mis-information about the puppymill proposition. Can you give us the truth?

-- Posted by momaster on Fri, Oct 1, 2010, at 1:17 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
We will run candidate profiles, yes. I'm not sure we can get to in-depth coverage of the puppy mill proposition ourselves, but I'll keep an eye out for wire stories or other source that seem to shed some light.

mtownresident: The city can't control where planes decide to land. But while we're on the subject, did you miss the jet that landed in Marshall yesterday?

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Fri, Oct 1, 2010, at 11:10 AM

I'm not sure if anybody knows the answer to this, but does everybody know that after all the money we spent at the airport for upgrades to accomadate bigger jets that Cargill still flys into Sedalia? This just recently happened yesterday, we should find out what all that money spent was good for?

-- Posted by mtownresident on Fri, Oct 1, 2010, at 10:08 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
A city official reports there was an issue with the jet fuel system that may have prompted the Cargill jet to refuel elsewhere. The problem is expected to be addressed Monday.

How many have read Virginia Sprigg's piece posted in Saline Countians, Past and Present?

I found it very interesting. I hope she writes more.

-- Posted by red dog on Fri, Oct 1, 2010, at 7:27 AM

The City of Columbia has outside of certain building a "knox box" This is used to store the keys to the building and only emergency personel have a key to it. I think this would work really well at the high rise.

-- Posted by mofireman on Thu, Sep 30, 2010, at 7:35 PM

Thanks for the greetings, and comments from my blog friends regarding Harvest Moon etc.

It truly was a magical evening. Others may say a blessed evening, or a phenominal evening. Perspectives may differ, but we all have in common feelings of awe when smacked in the face by a spike in nature's display.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Sep 30, 2010, at 5:44 PM

In response to the blog about the access card to the high rise, this issue has been resolved. Thank you for your concern.

Wade Kelling

Director of Operations

Saline County Ambulance

-- Posted by wkelling on Thu, Sep 30, 2010, at 3:49 PM

I have a question I was listening to the scanner that the emt had to wait on a key holder to unlock the door to let them in at the high rise.Why dont they have an electronic lock with battery back up to unlock the door with all emergency personal having the sercurity key numbers in their vehicle?I think it would be a better advantage than havin to wait 10 mins or anytime for that matter to be able to help a person need cause after a certain time the door is locked and only to get in is by a key or someone that lives there lets u in.I understand why they lock the door to try and help protect the people living there,but all emer responders should be able to get in and not have to wait on the key holder or fire deparment to let them in.Just wondering if maybe the Marshall Housing can get a grant or somthing to help make a better system for the emer responders to help people in need.I dont want to see fun poked at this im concerned with the elderly and handicapped people living in the high rise. Eric anybody from the paper?

-- Posted by arojr on Thu, Sep 30, 2010, at 1:47 PM

Sounds beautiful OKR. After the weather travails you and your fellow Oklahomans shared earlier in the spring and summer, you deserve a break.

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Wed, Sep 29, 2010, at 3:47 PM

Yes, Upsedaisy, it was cloudy and rainy around here most of last week.

When I was in high school our church youth group visited other churches around a few-county area, during which the groups would have a time for singing, church songs and others, one of which was Shine On, Harvest Moon. Always liked that one, mainly because it comes at my favorite season. :)

Zeke, I'm joing you being jealous of OKR's night under the stars, and moon, at one of the grandest sights on the planet. :)

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, Sep 29, 2010, at 11:18 AM

Does anyone know when we will be electing a mayor? It seems we are going a long time with a mayor pro tem.

-- Posted by momaster on Wed, Sep 29, 2010, at 11:18 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
The April 2011 election.

Has anyone noticed Missouri Valley College has jumped from the Fifties into the 21st Century? MVC is showing the way. All you groaning about the hard times in Marshall need to jump on the wagon and do something. Economic recovery starts at home.

-- Posted by red dog on Wed, Sep 29, 2010, at 9:02 AM

okr

i am jealous

that is all i have to say

zeke

-- Posted by zeke on Wed, Sep 29, 2010, at 8:07 AM

I spent the evening of the Harvest Moon in a forested campground near the rim of the Grand Canyon. Dark excepting the moon. The moonshadows were delightful. That, a small pinon fire, forty degree temperature, and the sounds of nature at night provoked all of our senses. Beautiful.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Sep 29, 2010, at 2:09 AM

Slater: The harvest moon was beautiful--sorry you missed it. Was it raining in S.A.? I just watched (On YouTube) Jerry Hedrick watching the cupola restoration. Glad the historic restoration is complete:)

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Tue, Sep 28, 2010, at 11:46 PM

Marshallgirl71, lets set the record straight. This years athletic schedule was set by Scott Latham before he left. The new AD didn't even start work until the first week of August and by then the calendars had been printed. If you are going to throw blame around throw it the right way.

-- Posted by momaster on Tue, Sep 28, 2010, at 9:20 PM

Shoot!! I missed the harvest moon last week! :(

-- Posted by Slater on Tue, Sep 28, 2010, at 7:10 PM

With in the last 24 hours I had four different people or groups come to my office or call on the phone asking for donations of $25.00 to $50.00. Will this ever stop. I can't give to everyone.

-- Posted by pennypincher1 on Tue, Sep 28, 2010, at 2:46 PM

http://www.marshallnews.com/story/166793...

Interesting, Sounds like the owner should be on the police force!

-- Posted by roopydoo on Tue, Sep 28, 2010, at 11:21 AM

Oh, yeah, and I have to agree, the Optimist league will not prepare players for High School softball.

There is nothing wrong with that, it is a Parks and Recreation league. Doesn't make it bad, or good, it's just what it is. The only way to get good at judging, and therefore hitting, good pitching is to face good pitchers over and over until it happens. I am afraid that won't happen in a rec league.

To prepare players for the level of competition in high school, parents need to send thier kids to camps, not just one, but several.

The players also need to play on traveling teams or in competitive leagues. Even in losses, they can see what the good teams do and how they win. High level experience counts a bunch.

In todays high school sports climate, most baseball and softball players work year round to develop. Those critical of our teams performance should ask themselves "What am I doing to help these girls get better?"

Youth sports suffers from a lack of volunteers to coach. We need more dependable adults to get involved at all levels of all youth sports. We must also try to get more than just parents involved. The youth sports world lives on parent coaches, but the experienced coaches need to keep on participating after thier kids have moved on.

More camps, more tournaments, more traveling teams, more exposure and experience to a high level of play early. This would do more for Marshall sports than all the coaching changes in the world.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Tue, Sep 28, 2010, at 8:26 AM

I am very aware of what optimist is and that is why the softball team needs someone who will provide them with the instruction and fundamentals that they need. I am guessing some people havent had children on these teams because if you did you would know that the coaches do not want the parents calling them! These girls put in alot of time for this sport and deserve better...

-- Posted by kkmom on Tue, Sep 28, 2010, at 8:17 AM

Just to help resolve this controversy.

Traditionally, Homecoming is the first home game AFTER the first road trip or away game of the season.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Tue, Sep 28, 2010, at 8:03 AM

Yeah, who had ever heard of having homecoming follow a home game. That doesnt even make sense!

-- Posted by ALM on Tue, Sep 28, 2010, at 7:43 AM

Go ahead and talk with the coaches. I witnessed a parent asking when senior night was and the coach couldn't even answer that simple question. It's sad when you see the girls make a great stop of the ball and then don't know what to do with it once they have the ball in hand. And really, talk to the athletic director. This women went and changed Homecoming date. How crazy was that?! All I can say is MHS Softball Ladies keep your heads up. All of you are awesome!!!

-- Posted by Marshallgirl71 on Tue, Sep 28, 2010, at 7:29 AM

Wow kkmom! You don't seriously think Optimist ball gets these girls ready for competitive high school sports do you? If you do, that alone shows me your lack of knowledge of the sport. Did you ever think that maybe they look better playing Optimist ball because of the lack of competition? Optimist doesn't even play by the same rules. Do you realize every other team in our conference has a competitive middle school program? They should already know the fundamentals & be able to build on those by the time they get to the high school level. Unfortunately Marshall's softball program hasn't caught up with the other schools & never will as long as they wait until high school to learn fundamentals & the rules of the game. If you have complaints about the coaches this is not the place to be airing them. Have you talked to the activity director or better yet, have you ever spoken with the coaches about your concerns? I doubt it. I honestly don't know why anyone would want to coach any sport in Marshall.

-- Posted by Really...No Really on Mon, Sep 27, 2010, at 11:12 PM

I'm wondering if you talked with the coaches about your concerns or whether you felt it would be more fair and effective to post an anonymous criticism of their work in public first?

-- Posted by taxedpayer on Mon, Sep 27, 2010, at 9:46 PM

I am wondering if anyone else feels that the MHS softball coaches need to be replaced??? The current coaches do not coach, they stand there and watch without giving the girls any direction and what direction they give causes errors. Maybe they would do better coaching college girls who don't need any help with fundamentals. That said, I have been to college games where the coaches show a little more enthusiasm in there team and the game. It is very sad to watch girls who play well in optimist decline in their skills when they get to highschool. Softball is very important to the girls who play it and it would be nice if they were given all the instruction the other sports receive.

-- Posted by kkmom on Mon, Sep 27, 2010, at 8:28 PM

When is the new bridge out by the park going to be opened? It seems to be taking a long time. High water must have delayed construction.

-- Posted by red dog on Mon, Sep 27, 2010, at 8:52 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
High water and bad weather have slowed the project, according to city officials, but project may be competed in four to six weeks.

litlmissme,

The score was 34-21 in favor of Valley. Below see link for story on the game. I go to this newspaper's website whenever Valley plays anywhere in the NW part of the state to include the NE part of KS or the S part of Iowa or Nebraska.

http://www.newspressnow.com/news/2010/se...

-- Posted by alphadog on Sun, Sep 26, 2010, at 9:39 PM

What was the final score at the Valley Football game? We left just before half....cold, wet and miserable.

-- Posted by litlmissme on Sun, Sep 26, 2010, at 6:53 PM

A little more sleuthing, and here's a story about a trip Hunter took to California in 2004:

http://www.marshallnews.com/story/105980...

Note the cost for the trip is given as $800 and was described as "expensive" at that price. Judging even by the standard of 2004, that doesn't seem "lavish" OR expensive to me, considering the cost of airfare, hotels, transportation to and from the airport and meals.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Sat, Sep 25, 2010, at 9:14 AM

Hunter visited China in 2001. Here's more information on the soy sauce plant project, which began approximately 10 years ago:

www.marshallnews.com/story/1016373.html

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Sat, Sep 25, 2010, at 8:18 AM

Eric, thanks for posting the link to the story MDN did in May on the Marshall-Saline Development Corporation. Geoff did a great job on the story.

I wish the information the director provided had been more encouraging. I'm also curious where all of the allotted money is going. I understand the director has gone on a few extravagant trips to locate business for Marshall, i.e. China, California. Did anything result from either of those lavish trips and how much did those trips cost? There needs to be more productivity and a lot more accountability.

-- Posted by born-n-raised on Thu, Sep 23, 2010, at 8:21 PM

What does the director of the Marsaline Development Cooperation do to earn his salary?

-- Posted by wizzer on Thu, Sep 23, 2010, at 5:00 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Is this a sincere question or a slam? If it's the former, we can ask him to describe his activities for a story. And this story might help:

www.marshallnews.com/story/1634869.html

After watching these blogs go on for many months now, I have decided to get involved. Although my thoughts really have nothing to do with any current topics, I am ready for something to be done. Let me start by saying that I think MVC is an attribute to this community, however, I drive by there nightly on college street heading home from work. Almost every night I come extremely close to running over two or three students. They have, I believe, at least three cross-walks on College street alone and very rarely are they used. Am I going to be held responsible for hitting a student even though I am doing the speed limit or less? The students need to wisen up and or the college needs to put more lighting along the road.

-- Posted by Almost Critical on Wed, Sep 22, 2010, at 10:22 PM

Happy birthday, Bilbo and Frodo!

-- Posted by Eric Crump on Wed, Sep 22, 2010, at 6:39 PM

Tomorrow is "meet me at the pole" for schools. Is anyone planning to meet with our kids for prayer before school?

-- Posted by speedfingers on Tue, Sep 21, 2010, at 6:04 PM

Dear Buttons....sorry we haven't all lived in Marshall for 20 years and know all the residents that count by name and face.

-- Posted by djsocial on Tue, Sep 21, 2010, at 5:39 PM

Dear Zeke, turn the problem over to our city government and their counterparts like city utilities. I'm sure they will take care of it.

-- Posted by djsocial on Tue, Sep 21, 2010, at 5:35 PM

I agree Old Owl. The Marshall Plaza is an eyesore (except for the New Aldis.) It is so much more of an eyesore than a few trailers on the outskirts of town. That Marshall Plaza sign itself is an embarrassment. The former Jims IGA building is another eysore, that really needs a new tenant. And what about the south side of the square, many years ago a group came in and said that the Viking building was one of the worst eyesores in Marshall, and yet it still has never been updated. I've been told it, too, is owned by someone out of town. It's a real shame we are not demanding that these out of towners either fix their properties or sell them to local people!

Come on city council, take a real stand.

-- Posted by babygotback on Mon, Sep 20, 2010, at 8:42 PM

If anyone knows who contact with Sunset gardens please let me know. The roads are washed out not mention how tacky it looks for not being kept up at all ....thanks

-- Posted by momandgramma on Mon, Sep 20, 2010, at 6:59 PM

has anyone heard any talk about what local governments i.e. counties, cities, etc., are doing as far as counterterrorism goes?

out here in western mo we seem to have forgotten that we are more vulnerable now than back when we had minute-man silos all over the landscape.

just a wonderin'.

zeke

-- Posted by zeke on Mon, Sep 20, 2010, at 12:02 PM

Is this the same City that has allowed the "eyesore" to remain at College and 65 Highway, aka "Marshall Plaza"? The recent re-paved parking lot is a real joke and the street light on the property is still laying in the same place it has for years now. Lets see the City do what it can to help out this "local" business man and get after the "out of towners" who own the Marshall Plaza! Someone please tell me where I am wrong in this!

-- Posted by OldOwl on Mon, Sep 20, 2010, at 10:53 AM

The Marshall City Code Official forgets a lot of

meetings for example the building of the storage shed by Marshall Public Schools that caused such

a mess. We need to let small business people grow in this town. If not, we will become like

some of the towns around, example Napton.

-- Posted by Cat Lover on Sun, Sep 19, 2010, at 6:14 PM

I can't believe the Marshall City Code Official doesn't recall meeting with Scott Miller. As a city official, doesn't he keep a log of meetings he holds. It would seem to me the city of Marshall should do what it can to help an individual small business owner in this difficult economy.

-- Posted by wizzer on Sun, Sep 19, 2010, at 1:57 PM

Wheresthelove - I can easily believe he was right in the midst of that group. I first met him in the fall of 1963 and got to know him during the times I shopped at the store. I saw him for the last time when the store was about to close down. It was the summer of 1992 and I went in and visited with him for a while. I hadn't been in there for several years, and I was very surprised to see the physical changes - all of those fine wooden cabinets were gone. The old furnishings gave it good character and made it feel comfortable. For me it was sad to know the end was near, and I think he felt much the same way.

-- Posted by Slater on Sat, Sep 18, 2010, at 11:12 AM

Slater, I was dog walking the other day and passed the local Lions Club house on the square.....saw all the old photos of some of Marshall's finest old Lions from a little ways back and Mr. Lusby's pic was on the wall, made me think of the days you'd see them selling brooms and broom accessories on the square. Good bunch they were!!

-- Posted by wheresthelove on Sat, Sep 18, 2010, at 8:11 AM

Smartdog: chagrined? Why is it some how oddly amazing that you might agree with me.... lol

-- Posted by mrxray on Sat, Sep 18, 2010, at 2:32 AM

Hey John Q - good to see you again!

-- Posted by Slater on Fri, Sep 17, 2010, at 6:39 PM

Wheresthelove - I'm sorry to learn about Mr. Lusby, but thanks for the information.

-- Posted by Slater on Fri, Sep 17, 2010, at 6:37 PM

notgvnasht, your comment about small cities not wanting to grow has merit. When Packard Wiring (a subsidiary of GM) relocated a plant from Ohio to Farmington, MO local business were concerned because their stated wage rate was more than any other employer in the county. The other employers were afraid that they would lose their best workers to a higher paying job. After official meetings with representatives from Packard Wiring local business owners and city officials convinced them that they could staff their plant with 500 workers who would be willing to work for much less.

-- Posted by John Q. on Fri, Sep 17, 2010, at 3:27 PM

The great news is that the rescuers succeeded in drilling a bore hole some 2200 feet and has reached the miners trapper in a small room in Chile. Rescuers now say that the miners will be extracted sometime in November if everything goes right. The bad news is that the San Esteban mining company, which owns the mine, has pursued bankruptcy protection since the collapse and has said it can't afford to pay the men trapped in the San Jose mine.

A simple way to protect you assets and get out of paying the trapped miners.

It's disgraceful!

-- Posted by John Q. on Fri, Sep 17, 2010, at 3:14 PM

OldOwl it's not just you. I talked with an assistant manager there a couple of days ago. She said that all ordering is now done at the home office. She said that WalMart thought that the stores were over ordering. I don't known how the present situation is an improvement. They now order what they need and by the time it arrives they are sold out of many of the things that they had. Surely someone in Bentonville is a complete idiot. In any business involved in any retail trade, if you don't have something to sell to the buying public you never make a profit on the sale. I was advised that I could go on the internet and order the product. Seems like an electronic version of buying from a catalog.

-- Posted by John Q. on Fri, Sep 17, 2010, at 2:37 PM

why wasn't any of the waverly festival activities in the paper this year?

-- Posted by mtshell08 on Fri, Sep 17, 2010, at 2:31 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
We were just too busy to get up there. We'll try to get there next year.

I emailed Swinger Realty, and they do own the lot where the mobile homes were, but not the area next to the highway which is causing the visual block. They said the area that isnt mowed is owned by the state highway department.

-- Posted by speedfingers on Fri, Sep 17, 2010, at 12:01 PM

Maybe its just me, but has anyone else noticed some empty shelves at our local Wal-Mart? They were out of a particular product last week that I was looking for. When I went back last night, the shelf was still empty. It is certainly not an unusual product, inexpensive ($2.88) and one that Wal Mart has stocked for as many years as I can recall. Seems odd to me!

-- Posted by OldOwl on Fri, Sep 17, 2010, at 8:49 AM

speedfingers, call Swinger Realty. They own that tract.

-- Posted by born-n-raised on Fri, Sep 17, 2010, at 8:39 AM

I sure wish that the lot on the corner of 65 and vest would be mowed. I cannot see over the grass when I turn on to the highway...I have to get up on the shoulder to see around it.

-- Posted by speedfingers on Fri, Sep 17, 2010, at 7:57 AM

Observer--I think you have hit the nail on the head with your JUST SAY NO!!! That's what our community said to the new school and I'm sure that is one of the first things new companies must look at when thinking of moving to a new location. Are we progressive--will the families who work for them be satisfied to stay in our community and raise their children here. Another thing--don't you remember at one of the first "State of Saline County" meetings we were told that 25% of the elgible work force in this area is on disability!! I found that to be a shocker--I would have to assume that would also be of great concern to new companies as to where their work force could come from and the distance they might have to travel. Then some good points, Valley is looking good and enrollment is up--our airport expansion would have to be a big plus--we have quite a variety of churce denominations and the incomming highways are in reasonable good condition and the new bridge is about to open on highway 41 north of Marshall. I would also like to address the larger farms in Saline County--A tremendous amount of capital is necessary to keep them going and a very small spendable income is realized for those who put in a 40-hour week by Wednesday and still have the rest of the week to go!! Yes, land values are going up, but if you don't plan to sell out and pay the capital gains tax--you are still paddling the same boat. We seem to be the only occupation that lives poor and leaves a large estate!! Don't get me wrong--it is a wonderful way to raise a family and a beautiful place to be right here in Saline County. We are going to have to start saying "I think we can"--and keep trying to improve so new industry will be knocking on our door.

-- Posted by farmerwife on Thu, Sep 16, 2010, at 9:02 PM

For those griping about not having dining places in town, perhaps you would be better served (pun intended) by frequenting those that are here.

Boyd Street Cafe closed years ago, the little potato place closed. Pioneer Cafe is about to close, the Taste of Chicago closed and all of these places gave great service and were priced reasonably. You can't blame the economy for the earlier closings.

Sometimes, people don't realize what they already have here. Let's help the businesses we have, and maybe more will come.

-- Posted by Interested Too on Thu, Sep 16, 2010, at 9:00 PM

"We need to quit complaining and take some real action." Observer, that's excellent advice for anyone who is concerned about their town, their schools, their church...whatever it is that they feel is heading in the wrong direction. All the complaining gets us nowhere.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Thu, Sep 16, 2010, at 5:26 PM

Typesetter, I absolutely agree that it would be far better to pursue smaller companies than to focus on larger ones. I wouldn't think we'd have to rule out larger companies, but JMHO smaller companies are probably easier to find.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Thu, Sep 16, 2010, at 5:24 PM

When is the next city council meeting and is that when they will be voting to purchase the building in the industrial park? Everyone who thinks this is a mistake should be at that meeting to say, "JUST SAY NO"!

We need to quit complaining and take some real action.

-- Posted by theobserver on Thu, Sep 16, 2010, at 5:05 PM

Miguel Amigo comes for his 40th class reunion and says that "Marshall has not changed in 40 years". How sad for Marshall. What is our problem? Who or what is draging us down?

-- Posted by pennypincher1 on Thu, Sep 16, 2010, at 3:58 PM

Typesetter, I agree with you. A lot of us would like to know how the Mar-saline development corporation can justify their existence. Every time there is a board meeting the report from their director is either nothing to report, no progress or no movement. And he always uses cryptic names to describe the "projects" like this is some kind of espionage game. The only mystery is why they are in existence and how much money is being wasted on them.

-- Posted by momaster on Thu, Sep 16, 2010, at 1:09 PM

Kathy,

I was only using ProEnergy as an example of the type of business that Saline County/Marshall should be looking to recruit. I have no idea if they were recruited to come here (my guess would be no). I mean if they wanted to locate in Mid-Missouri why Sedalia over Marshall? Maybe the owners did have some kind of connection to Sedalia...or maybe Sedalia actually sought that company out? My opinion is that no one is seeking out and recruiting business to come here. If you want me to point fingers at who I might be talking about in my post take a look at this article published in the Marshall Democrat-News just two days ago and pay close attention to the comments that follow it.

http://www.marshallnews.com/story/166436...

According to the questions asked and comments made particularly by oceanlord 49, smartdog, and the observer, among others, I don't think I am alone in my thoughts that there is an entity here in our community that was organized with the intention of bringing business/jobs into our county/town that, in my opinion, and obviously others, really hasn't brought much of anything in here to help this area grow and prosper. I also believe people in positions of "power" here support this entity, by helping them out whenever possible, but when the common business owner needs some similar assistance he is not supported. Case in point:

http://www.marshallnews.com/story/165569...

What really irks me about the above article is here was a guy already doing business here. He might not be creating hundreds of jobs, but he has created a few and is contributing to our economy. The other entity that was supported by the "powers that be" built a huge building with no particular function in mind that sat empty for approximately 10 years. They spent a large amount of our money to build that building and they found no specific purpose for it for nearly a decade! Now, in these hard financial times the money we pay our utilities with is going toward paying for it AGAIN! What's up with that? And why is an entity that has been not been successful and not brought in jobs supported over a business person who, on a smaller scale, has?

-- Posted by Typesetter on Thu, Sep 16, 2010, at 12:04 PM

@ slater. yes i believe Mr. Lusby is no longer with us.

-- Posted by wheresthelove on Thu, Sep 16, 2010, at 11:11 AM

Kathy not that you asked me, LOL, but I think one of the underlying reasons for this opinion that is expressed by so many goes back to the elephant in the community's living room.

That is that many are fearful, or think old line movers, and shakers are fearful, that new business would bring another influx of Hispanic workers to the community. Such folk are uneasy with the change in demographic that has already occured, and do not want further distortion of the cultural balance.

Time will change all that.

I remember when we got our additional workers from southern Missouri, so called hill billys, back then. They were who filled the ranks at F. M. Stamper (precursor of Banquet Foods) back then, and were subjected to social marginalization.

I worked there. They were fine folk, and I am sure that after all this time are well woven into the fabric of the community.

It will take longer for Hispanics to meld, and be fully accepted, principally because the cultural gap is larger, to say nothing of the language barrier. It will happen.

Meanwhile it is possible that there are some who just don't want such change, and would give up increased community prosperity to preserve the status quo.

This is purely speculation on my part.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Sep 16, 2010, at 11:06 AM

I think Sedalia may be the home towm of the owners of ProEnergy. They are an amazing company.

-- Posted by pennypincher1 on Thu, Sep 16, 2010, at 10:51 AM

Typesetter: I appreciate your concern and can't argue with your history timeline for this area. But I have to ask - is there any indication that ProEnergy ever considered Marshall for their location at all? And if they did, does anyone know why Sedalia ultimately got the nod?

And I also have to ask why you think city officials would not want "these type businesses to come here"? How does that help anyone? What gain does that provide for any city official? Why would they stand in the way of greater development in this town?

I'm not being facetious or trying to challenge you. I really am trying to understand how people come to the conclusion that there are people in town, in positions of authority, who don't want prosperity to come to Marshall.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Thu, Sep 16, 2010, at 9:59 AM

slatermo - are you a native of Slater?

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, Sep 15, 2010, at 11:42 PM

There was a time when Saline County/Marshall was supported by probably hundreds of small farmers. These folks farmed their own land with the help of their family members and survived just fine on what they made from the farm. But then times got tough for farmers and slowly the farm wives and grown children started taking jobs in town. When times got even tougher many farmers sold out to other farmers and went to town to find work themselves. Now there is a small number of farmers with really large farm operations in Saline County and very few small family farms left. Thus, as time has gone by more jobs have been needed in town. ConAgra, Wilson's, and the State School were okay once, but now Wilson's is long gone, replaced now by the smaller Excel/Cargill Meat Solutions; the State School is reorganizing and many jobs there are drying up; and that leaves ConAgra. ConAgra is not enough to keep our town going. We need more large companies to come in here and bring our citizens some good-paying jobs. Look at how ProEnergy popped up on the edge of Sedalia and then grew and grew and grew some more. I'm sure there were many, many good jobs created by ProEnergy when they came into Sedalia. We are 30 miles away and those jobs didn't come here. My personal opinion is that City and County Officials still have the "farming community" mentality and don't want these type businesses to come here. They need to wake up and realize that Agriculture is a PART of Marshall/Saline County, but it can no longer be considered ALL of Marshall/Saline County if we are going to have any kind of future. If our current officials can't see that then we need to vote in some new representatives because if there is no change to the ideology that we are a "farming community" then people who chose to stay here will watch their town die while driving at least 30 miles one-way a day to make a decent living, or the other option will be moving to a town where there are decent paying jobs and not being here to witness the town you've call "home" take it's last desperate breaths of life.

-- Posted by Typesetter on Wed, Sep 15, 2010, at 9:45 PM

My thought for the day.

There was an important job to be done and Everybody was asked to do it. Everybody was sure Somebody would do it. Anybody could have done it, but Nobody did it.

Somebody got angry about that because it was Everybody's job.

Everybody thought Anybody could do it, but Nobody realized that Everybody wouldn't do it.

It ended up that Everybody blamed Somebody when actually Nobody asked Anybody.

-- Posted by slatermo on Wed, Sep 15, 2010, at 9:18 PM

Does anyone know if Ken Lusby is still with us?

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, Sep 15, 2010, at 6:45 PM

Smart Dog,

Here's another one for your collection of "they" quotes:

"It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things."

--Terry Pratchett, "Jingo"

-- Posted by Eric Crump on Wed, Sep 15, 2010, at 5:56 PM

Mr Xray, I am chagrined. I find myself agreeing with your post.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Wed, Sep 15, 2010, at 5:38 PM

Hey, Kathy, I heard a good one regarding the mythical 'they' who are out there somewhere making decisions.

"And all this time, I thought 'they' was us."

Of course, the philosophers refer to this human tendancy as 'agenticity.', the desire to assign an actor, or some entity, as the responsible party for events.

From Michael Shermer:

" But we do something other animals do not do. As large-brained hominids with a developed cortex and a theory of mind--the capacity to be aware of such mental states as desires and intentions in both ourselves and others--we infer agency behind the patterns we observe in a practice I call "agent­icity": the tendency to believe that the world is controlled by invisible intentional agents. We believe that these intentional agents control the world, sometimes invisibly from the top down (as opposed to bottom-up causal randomness). Together patternicity and agent­icity form the cognitive basis of shamanism, paganism, animism, polytheism, monotheism, and all modes of Old and New Age spiritualisms."

More useless information from your dog.

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Wed, Sep 15, 2010, at 5:34 PM

There WAS a Golden Corral in Marshall a few years ago. It started out nice and went downhill. Whoever was in charge of it didn't have the desire to keep it clean. So, people quit going. Thus, it closed!

-- Posted by radargart on Wed, Sep 15, 2010, at 5:32 PM

My take...

The first issue of the "They" not supporting or wanting more businesses; I dont know all the ins and outs of Marshall elitists and their politics and how that plays in with the official political game, BUT I dont get the sense that the city is anti-business. I think they have stupid rules and the good ole boy network that sometimes thinks too highly of itself. Such as the ruling that caused a person to be fined for feeding stray cats, or the whole issue with the Pallet place that was in the MDN discussion not long ago.

The issue of lack of support is the same thing with an eatery as it is with mom and pop clothing, jewelers, shoe stores and any other type of store that you might find in a small town.

They have to compete with the cheaper franchise type stores and discount stores and they have higher overhead because of their lack of bulk purchasing power. AND the people of small towns find it easier and cheaper to drive to a larger town and shop at stores with more selections and choices who also have lower prices. And while on these trips, they make a day of it and eat out once or twice.

I have been in towns that refused to allow medium large businesses to come into their town because the city leaders were the business owners and they feared losing their own personal income over the good of the city and voted down the changes in ordinances and zoning issues required to allow new businesses come into their towns. That would be the "They". I am not sure if that happens in this town or not, but it is likely that it does happen to some extent.

In a nut shell, it is a decision about being willing to spend money in our home town at a higher cost, less selection or choices, and sometimes poorer quality or drive and shop and eat somewhere else with the choices we want and the prices that make it worth the drive.

That is what you get with a society that is self centered and desires instant gratification...

-- Posted by mrxray on Wed, Sep 15, 2010, at 5:04 PM

notgvnasht: You asked "Who is it thats makes these decisions that a town the size of Marshall cant support a new restaurant?" For chain restaurants, it's normally the corporate office making that decision. Restaurants that aren't chains can be opened by anyone, if they have the money, if they can find a location, if they can get a business license and so forth.

It's been suggested in this forum, and more than once, that some mysterious "they" is keeping that from happening, as in "Well, THEY don't want any new restaurants around here." And "THEY don't want Marshall to grow."

Maybe that's true, maybe it's not. Doesn't seem likely, at least from my point of view. No one's ever explained to my satisfaction what "THEY" would have to gain by keeping Marshall small.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Wed, Sep 15, 2010, at 3:54 PM

outsider is right with great food, great service and good prices a nice set down restaurant could be done, it has before and it can again.

It has not been that long ago that a restaurant and lounge right here in Marshall did very very well remember Porkys when it was first open for the first 10-15 years it was open the place was always packed for lunch and dinner.

Then the owners sold it and it went down hill.

So I know for a fact it can be done but it has to be done right and to do it right takes a lot of work and not a small amount of money.

-- Posted by Gal66 on Wed, Sep 15, 2010, at 3:50 PM

Priceless......

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Wed, Sep 15, 2010, at 1:53 PM

I feel we can support a good sit down restaurant

here in Marshall and more so now that when one does run a stop sign why pile on any other cost for the person when is honest and they do have insurance so those that are careless is no problem take family out to eat with the would been ticket money

( thinks out loud ) and just think if that honest person admits and has insurance so what if the victim still has cost from the pocket trying her/his insurance cover the damages maybe victims do not need to eat out hmmmm system works out for those that matters i reckon

-- Posted by momandgramma on Wed, Sep 15, 2010, at 1:37 PM

HOW DOES ANYONY KNOW MARSHALL COULD NOT SUPPORT A GOOD SIT DOWN RESTAURANT??

YOU FORGET WE HAVE TOWNS ALL AROUND US, THAT WOULD COME TO MARSHALL TO HELP SUPPORT IT.

IF I WOULD DRIVE 60 MILES TO EAT GOOD FOOD, WHAT MAKES YOU THINK TOWNS AROUND US WOULD NOT DO THE SAME.

I THINK WE ARE USING EXCUSES ABOUT MARSHALL BEING TO SMALL.

BLOOMFIELS ALWAYS HAVE A GOOD CROWD, FOOD IS GOOD, SERVICE IS GREAT AND VERY FEW TIMES HAVE I EVER SEEN ANYONE DRINKING ALCOHOL, EVEN THO YOU CAN ASK FOR IT AND GET IT WITH YOUR MEAL,

THE ONLY THING I WISH THEY HAD WAS A GOOD SALAD BAR, BECAUSE I LOVE SALADS. YOU CAN GET BREAKFAST ALL DAY, WHICH I LOVE BECAUSE I EAT BREAKFAST SOMETINS AT NIGHT. THE PORTION ARE LARGE AND WOULD FILL THE BIGGEST EATER UP, AND PIES ARE OUT OF THIS WORLD. NO THIS IS NOT AN ADVERTISMENT FOR BLOOMFIELDS, JUST TRING TO SAY I THINK MARSHALL CAN SUPPORT ANOTHER GOOD RESTAURENT WITH GOOD FOOD.

-- Posted by buttons on Wed, Sep 15, 2010, at 11:01 AM

Everyone wants it to happen, but is anyone on here is willing to make it happen. Everyone realizes that it does take more than just buying a building and remodeling it don't they? Personally I would rather have the drive to eat at these places then have to spend 14 hours a day making sure they are run correctly. I have eaten at all of these places and they are all great!

-- Posted by Mrs L.A.B. on Wed, Sep 15, 2010, at 7:39 AM

Typesetter, that's exactly right. I'm mystified as to why it hasn't already happened.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Tue, Sep 14, 2010, at 9:41 PM

A few people have mentioned establishments like the Pear Tree, the Railyard, Charlie's, etc. These restaurants are in small towns (Charlie's is even out in the middle of nowhere on the outskirts of a small town) and they are doing good business. I know a lot of people used to drive all the way to Brunswick to eat at Sherry's Home Cookin'. Many folks love eating at the Tavern in Arrow Rock. I have friends who have recently driven to Glasgow to eat at some of the newer restaurants in that small town. And I have also heard that Emmett's in Fayette is worth the drive. If people from Marshall will drive to these other small towns then a good restaurant in Marshall would draw in people from other towns here. If someone could open up that type of restaurant then word gets out that we have a restaurant with good enough food that it would be worth the drive to come check out then that would be great for the people who live here and also bring revenue dollars into our small town by people who don't.

-- Posted by Typesetter on Tue, Sep 14, 2010, at 6:24 PM

We haven't made it to Charlie's yet - we've heard nothing but good news about it, so we'll have to make more effort to get down there soon.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Tue, Sep 14, 2010, at 6:17 PM

I'm not really *against* chains. I do patronize them now and then. But if I'm going out to dinner, I prefer places that are more local in character.

And just to establish some credentials on the matter, I've spent a lot of time in towns much smaller than Marshall and much larger, on business trips and vacations, in every state but one, and have had some of the best food I've ever eaten at the local places, if there are any.

When I'm pressed for time and don't care what I'm eating, a chain restaurant is great because the food is usually good and will be the same wherever you go. But that's just it - it's their blessing and their curse, all at the same time.

I hope Mexico Lindo sticks around for a long time, and I hope the restaurant that appears to be getting closer to opening actually does. And I hope Marshall residents get out and support both of them. I will certainly try!

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Tue, Sep 14, 2010, at 6:16 PM

I'm not buying the idea that Los Tres Amigos does a good business mainly because of alcohol. They have great food, great service and good prices. That's the recipe.

-- Posted by outsider on Tue, Sep 14, 2010, at 4:58 PM

Wasn't a restaurant going to open up in that row of buildings just off the square on Arrow Street? Seems like there had been a year of interior and exterior work going on at that location, but apparently all work stopped sometime in the spring. It would have been a nice location and was supposed to be something of a nicer place to eat. Anyone know the details?

Thanks

-- Posted by oceanlord49 on Tue, Sep 14, 2010, at 4:21 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Kathy Fairchild recently inquired, and while she was unable to contact the owner, city officials said he had recently inquired about getting a liquor license.

Does anyone know how progress is going at the old Generations building? Maybe the MDN could do some investigating.

-- Posted by born-n-raised on Tue, Sep 14, 2010, at 4:18 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Have done. So far, though, we've been unable to contact the owner.

Yes Charlies is the buffet of buffets and its not at the end of the world but you can see it from there.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Tue, Sep 14, 2010, at 3:36 PM

Brunswick Railyard is EXCELLENT!! We have been there several times and have always been great! Charlies Buffet (in the middle of no where) past Cole Camp is well worth the drive too.

-- Posted by 1OFTHEGALS on Tue, Sep 14, 2010, at 1:57 PM

Kathy,

Why are you against a chain restaurant?? If the food is good why should it matter if it is a chain??

-- Posted by daisygurl22 on Tue, Sep 14, 2010, at 1:39 PM

I've heard the Railyard is very good, too...and not a chain, a big plus! As specifically mentioned, I'm not against chains, just not thrilled by the prospect of a 60-mile round trip for the sole purpose of eating at one of them. So going to Brunswick would be fine. Emmett's (sp?) in Fayette is pretty good, too, and again, not a chain.I do think a restaurant similar to the two named here would do well in Marshall. If I had the money, I'd bankroll one!

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Tue, Sep 14, 2010, at 1:02 PM

I, for one, will certainly miss eating at the Pioneer Cafe. The food was always great and the whole staff made me feel right at home. This closing makes it that much harder to find a good place to eat in town.

-- Posted by OldOwl on Tue, Sep 14, 2010, at 12:54 PM

Red Dog - Here's a link to the Mo. Dept. of Revenue site which has the information you're seeking, by county and by city (in PDF format):

http://dor.mo.gov/business/sales/rates/

-- Posted by Slater on Tue, Sep 14, 2010, at 12:10 PM

For a change of scenery you might try The Railyard in Brunswick. It would be about like driving to Sedalia once the bridge at Miami opens up. They have premium juicy steaks and prime rib cooked exactly as you order it and superb service. All for around $20 or less. A little high end in a small town. They are only open Thurs, Fri and Sat and they are always busy. Worthy of a visit.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Tue, Sep 14, 2010, at 11:01 AM

Kathy,

There are a lot of people who drive to Sedalia to eat at one of those places. Maybe they are not to your standards but there are people who enjoy them and would love to see one of them in town. Sure is better than what we have. Just my opinion.

-- Posted by daisygurl22 on Tue, Sep 14, 2010, at 9:33 AM

Kathy,

Although The Pear Tree is an excellent place to eat (loved their banana-pecan ice cream) I don't think, in fact I know, Marshall could not support it. One of my very favorites is the Savoy Grill in Kansas City. My husband and I have made many special trips there just to eat! Love that place!

-- Posted by daisygurl22 on Tue, Sep 14, 2010, at 9:20 AM

Typesetter, the restaurant issue is one that's pretty familiar to most people in small towns. We have a Country Kitchen in our town, and then a revolving door of other attempts at sit-down restaurants that rarely last longer than about 2 years, regardless of quality. None of them are "dress-up" places - we have to drive at least 30-45 minutes for that. All our other choices are fast-food, Chinese, pizza, or Mexican. The problem is college kids all buy food from those places, and rarely go to the sit-down places, so naturally, the fast-food type places will thrive more easily.

-- Posted by koeller77 on Tue, Sep 14, 2010, at 8:18 AM

Typesetter, I'd love to see a variety of restaurants here, too, but it's a small town and that makes it difficult. Not impossible - The Pear Tree in Bevier proves that point - but difficult. Just my opinion, but we do not need yet another chain restaurant like Colton's, Golden Corral or Red Lobster. I'm not saying those are bad restaurants and I don't mind going to those places when they're handy, but I wouldn't drive to Sedalia for the sole purpose of eating at any of them. If I'm going to make a 60-mile roundtrip, I want something more distinctive than that.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Tue, Sep 14, 2010, at 6:26 AM

BMSmom,

I agree with you! There used to be a Mexican place on the square many many years ago that was AWESOME! I don't think Los Tres would do as much business as they do if it were not for the alcohol. This town needs a good place like Colton's or even Golden Corral.

-- Posted by daisygurl22 on Tue, Sep 14, 2010, at 1:32 AM

Kathy,

I said, "with the exception of Mexican and Chinese food." I like both Mexican food places in town, but there are only so many times you can eat Mexican food before you get tired of it. I believe the same goes for Chinese food. I'd just like to see a restaurant come to town that has a variety of tasty food choices such as steak, fried chicken, hot beef sandwich, tenderloin sandwich, a wide-selection salad bar, and maybe even a good breakfast menu. I do agree with you on Mexico Lindo though - I've ate there a couple of times and had good food and service.

-- Posted by Typesetter on Mon, Sep 13, 2010, at 10:22 PM

BSMom, with all due respect, I think you ought to try again. We had none of those difficulties at all.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Mon, Sep 13, 2010, at 9:58 PM

The one and only time I went in the new mexican place, I was not impressed. The waiter couldn't or wouldn't speak any english so my family had to guess what the dishes were. He never offered to refill our drinks. We asked for more salsa and never got it. Thumbs down for me until I learn to speak and read spanish.

-- Posted by BMSmom on Mon, Sep 13, 2010, at 9:34 PM

I posted a request on the story about the cost of some City services going up. I will ask the same question here.

Can anyone tell me what the break-down on our sales tax is? I know we are paying over seven per cent in Marshall. I think the sales tax in Sedalia, Columbia and other shopping towns frequented by Marshallites is higher than Marshall. Am I correct in this?

-- Posted by red dog on Mon, Sep 13, 2010, at 9:03 PM

Kathy, could not agree with you more!! I love that place!!

Typesetter, let me add this bit to what you are saying...might I also say that I agree with u. The MVC kids are still spending money out if town for entertainment. They might shop at Walmart and a few select local places, but a lot of them still leave town for options. Sadly if it wasn't for MVC this town would have dried up and blown away a long time ago.

-- Posted by Scarpetta on Mon, Sep 13, 2010, at 8:49 PM

typesetter, you left one out, I think. My husband and I had dinner at Mexico Lindo, the newer restaurant north of the square and it was outstanding. Great service, wonderful food, reasonable prices - I hope they stay in business for a long, long time!

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Mon, Sep 13, 2010, at 7:20 PM

There will be a lot more going to Sedalia when they open Red Lobster over there!!

-- Posted by daisygurl22 on Mon, Sep 13, 2010, at 7:00 PM

My family learned over the weekend and that Pioneer Café is planning to close at the end of this month. They may not have the finest cuisine in the world, but at least you could go in and sit down and have decent meal there. Once they close, with the exception of Chinese or Mexican food, this town will be down to Applebees and Bloomfield's for go in and sit down varied-menu type restaurants...Oh, and the new Grace Brothers (which I personally am not any more impressed with than the aforementioned establishments). Raise your hand if you've driven to Sedalia, Columbia or Kansas City to go out to eat because you were either tired of the same old boring choices in Marshall, or felt you had no real choice in restaurant here...it was either fast food, pizza, or nothing. While you were there did you see a movie, do some shopping, or find some other form of leisure activity? There was a story in the newspaper this past week about sales tax revenues in Marshall being down. If I remember correctly City Officials said part of the problem might have been that MVC students came back to town a bit later in the month than normal. Does our City really depend that much on that one entity to bring in revenue? That doesn't sound very good to me. My opinion is that many of our sales tax dollars are going with our townsfolk to other cities because they offer more than Marshall. I believe many City and County officials for a lot of years thought that they should try to keep Marshall scaled back to be more of a farming community, but now we need more than agriculture to keep our town alive. If it is to survive we need for the" powers that be" to work toward bringing in some good quality, high paying jobs to our town. When people have a good job they are more likely to have expendable income to buy goods and services with. Then maybe tax revenues would increase. Another good way to increase tax revenue is for our town to have the things that I hear many people complain that we don't have -- a few good go in-sit down restaurants with wide-ranging menus and appetizing food, along with affordable, but fun, entertainment options. If what Officials said is true about MVC students, I don't think we should rely so much on young folks coming in from other areas to go to college here spending their money in our town to keep us afloat. If you give the townspeople what they want they will be more likely to crack open their wallets in their own hometown, which would be good for our town and help keep it from dying.

-- Posted by Typesetter on Mon, Sep 13, 2010, at 6:33 PM

Have it your way, Buttons. Something tells me you usually do.

Having been thoroughty rebuked, I remain

Cowed Dog

-- Posted by red dog on Mon, Sep 13, 2010, at 4:33 PM

http://www.sedaliademocrat.com/news/call...

I hope our 911 folks read this and learn.

-- Posted by litlmissme on Mon, Sep 13, 2010, at 4:16 PM

WHY ON EARTH BLAME ANYONE EXCEPT THE ONES THAT DROVE INTO THE WATER ON MIAMI ST.

ANY ONE THAT HAS LIVED IN MARSHALL THE LAST 20 YEARS KNOWS THAT WHEN WE HAVE A LOT OF HEAVY RAIN LIKE WE DID FRIDAY THAT MIAMI ST WILL BE FLOODED BY THE PLAZA, ALWAYS HAS ALWAYS WILL.

GOOD GOSH PEOPLE, USE SOME COMMON SENSE AND CHOOSE ANOTHER ROUTE TO GET WHERE YOU ARE GOING AND QUIT BLAMING IT ON SOMETHING OR SOME ONE ELSE.

AS A MATTER OF FACT WE PROBABLELY DON'T EVEN NEED 5 IN. OF RAIN FOR IT TO FLOOD. GIVE IT A REST

-- Posted by buttons on Mon, Sep 13, 2010, at 4:14 PM

Come to think of it, there are some roads in the county that have a "yardstick" planted alongside the road in some low places. That concept is so original, isn't it?

-- Posted by red dog on Sun, Sep 12, 2010, at 5:20 PM

Bye the bye. That "creek" that floods Miami is nothing more than a storm drain. It starts uptown and collects much, much water in the journey to wherever. I know of no spring or other water source other than storm runoff.

Remember the big hole at Benton and Jackson before it was covered up? Neighborhood kids loved the aftermath of a storm. Momma didn't always catch you at it when you waded into the water. That area is part of the same system that causes the problem on Miami.

-- Posted by red dog on Sun, Sep 12, 2010, at 5:13 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
I believe it is a water course (usually dry) called Finney Creek.

You can't do anything much about "Acts of God" but you can take precautions. On the list of precautions would be don't build a dwelling on a flood plain. For storms and such, in my early childhood, we had a root cellar to take shelter in when bad storms were evident. As for driving through high water, it was not prudent then and not prudent now.

The City is not responsible for foolhardy (or greedy) people defying nature. When you alter what Mother Nature has formed, it is only a matter of time and she will take it back.

What the City is responsible for is wise oversight in all things that will affect the citizens. Allowing home construction, or any construction, on a flood plain is not in the best interest of anyone except the builder, who is most likely never going to live in one of the homes.

As for driving through a flooded area with running or standing water evident. Not a wise thing to do. The problem is, at night, especially when vision is impaired because of rain on the windsield, the wipers running, glare from light sources, the hazard is not immediately noticed and, suddently, it is too late.

I do not fault the people that drive into the water. In the country, you take your chances. In town, it would be in the best interest of the citizens to have some warning system in place. The cost would be minimal compared to some fiascos. The citizens would be safer and that should be the primary consideration.

-- Posted by red dog on Sun, Sep 12, 2010, at 5:05 PM

One other note: That area on S. Miami used to flood after a heavy drizzle (that may be a slight exaggeration), but the city scooped out the ditches on either side a couple of years ago and it hasn't been nearly as bad. But that storm Friday night was humdinger. I heard some places got as much as 5 inches of rain. With a storm like that, you're going to have flooding.

-- Posted by taxedpayer on Sun, Sep 12, 2010, at 9:36 AM

I'm with mrxray on this one. If the city is at fault for letting people build homes in a flood plain, what about the people who built homes in a flood plain?

The city did build a road through a flood-prone area. And if it hadn't, people would complain about having to drive around. And since that creek runs well into the city, Marshall would have a deep gash of undeveloped area bisecting the southwest side. People would complain.

And what if Marshall gets hit by a tornado, as it very nearly did in 2006? Will it be the city's fault for letting people live somewhere a tornado might hit? Probably.

-- Posted by taxedpayer on Sun, Sep 12, 2010, at 9:31 AM

Hmmm

SO... If it is the city's fault that I drove through a flooded street (One that floods quite often and citizens of Marshall KNOW it floods) even if the city put up a barrier that did not have a light on it.... what else can I get away with and then place the blame on the city?

I mean that little old wooden structure in the middle of the road was not meant for ME right?

LOL this is just a prime example of how society is always wants to blame OTHER people for their own stupidity....

-- Posted by mrxray on Sun, Sep 12, 2010, at 9:04 AM

i was at my sister in laws when the flooding happened she lives in college circle and the water was clear up to her door it was about to come inside. on the side of the house it looked like a big river running through i was so amazed on how much it really floods over there that i took pictures...one ladies car had water inside it the next day

-- Posted by mtshell08 on Sun, Sep 12, 2010, at 12:08 AM

That's a fact Jack

-- Posted by red dog on Sun, Sep 12, 2010, at 12:05 AM

Some more thought on this street flooding thing. I suppose it would be too countrified to put up a pillar at the problem sites with markings to indicate how deep the water is. A strobe light on top of the pillar could be activated when the water level reaches a certain point, like six inches or so.

-- Posted by red dog on Sat, Sep 11, 2010, at 3:36 PM

I see people are complaining again about the "river" at Miami Ave. and the Plaza. That area is and always was a flood plain. Why would a developer build housing on a flood plain?

The City is at fault, but not because of the reason you think. This flooding was/is an Act of God and there is no liability to the City.

The City is at fault for ever allowing housing development in a flood plain. The City Council approved this variance 30 or 40 years ago. I do not recall the developer there, but the variance should have been denied. Oops, there I am thinking logically.

As for the traffic problem when the street is flooding. The Police are at fault for not staying at the site until proper barricades were put up. One little warning stand on each side, no matter if the light works or not, is not enough.

It has been that way for years and people have driven into the running water for years and been stranded.

The flooding has backed up sewers for years and will continue to do so. The residents can install one way valves in their sewer systems and that would stop most, but not all, the water from backing up into their basements.

Would I buy a house I knew was in a flood plain? No, I would not. Did these people know about the problem when they bought the house? I seriously doubt it. Don't expect the homeowner to tell you about it when they are selling. Realtors should, but I imagine most would express ignorance when it comes to that.

Enough said.

This is not the only area in the City that has been granted a variance. In one instance, I know the Council knew it was a flood plain and granted the variance anyway. That area is off Odell across from the Cemetery.

-- Posted by red dog on Sat, Sep 11, 2010, at 3:30 PM

Miss Marple

You are absolutely correct.

The 1st Ammendment protection of free speech only applies to "Prior Restraint" -- this is government prohibition prior to speech (and also prohibits any prior restraint of re-publication). It prohibits the government from prohibiting a group or individual from speaking or publishing their statements, opinions, and/or information, prior to said speech or publication. In addition, there are other limitations to the 1st Ammendment. Sedition, for example, is not free speach. Perhaps Supreme Court Justice Oliver Wendal Homes, Jr. puts it best when he points out that shouthing fire in a crowded theater is not protected speech because the danger the stampede would create may be even worse than the fire itself.

Civil rights are always limited when they pose a direct, physical threat to the entire population.

Thanks for including that link. It was very informative and clearly settled the issue.

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Sep 11, 2010, at 11:13 AM

Hey, superglue...you're the one who's wrong. The paper owns the bat, the ball and the ballpark and doesn't have to publish ANYTHING you say. The first amendment doesn't allow you to just open your mouth and let the words fall out with no restrictions on when or where. It only protects you from GOVERNMENT interference. You might want to make it a daily habit to check this website, so you can better appreciate your actual rights:

http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/

-- Posted by Miss Marple on Sat, Sep 11, 2010, at 9:14 AM

The mayor and city administrator should have been at the "river" on Miami last night. Once again the area flooded and some young people had to abandon their vehicle through the windows to get out. The water was at a dangerous level and the city placed one warning sign at one point but the flasher would not turn on. They made a comment this doesn't work and got back in their vehicle and left. When is the city going to do something about this area. One lady in the area had just paid to have her basement cleaned after sewer water flowed in like a fountain from her bathroom fixtures to have it flood again..but once again IT IS NOT THE FAULT OF THE CITY.

-- Posted by speedfingers on Sat, Sep 11, 2010, at 9:11 AM

She was a minor and wanted to save her license.

-- Posted by 4kids6gkids on Fri, Sep 10, 2010, at 9:22 PM

P.S. to ALM,

One point I forgot - the process I outlined works if your browser's settings reflect that process.

-- Posted by Slater on Fri, Sep 10, 2010, at 6:21 PM

ALM - I'm not certain I understand your issue, but if you open the link in a new tab, the tab opens on top of the page with the link, so that when you close the tab the page you were on is once again displayed.

If you left click the link, it opens in the same window (same principle as above) and then closes with the back arrow to return you to the page with the link.

I don't suppose this is anything new to you, but if this helps, then my intent succeeded.

-- Posted by Slater on Fri, Sep 10, 2010, at 6:14 PM

Eric,

Freedom of Speach voilates your policy? Hahaha. You my friend, are wrong. I posted something truthful, with FACTS, and you decided to delete it. Most likly because you didn't agree with it. In my opinion, you are wrong. Wonder what a laywer would have to say about it?

-- Posted by ieatsuperglue on Fri, Sep 10, 2010, at 4:41 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
The Marshall Democrat-News is a business, and it has the right to set and enforce usage policies on its website.

Is there a way to make the links open in a new tab? When I click a link in the blog (Sydney's) it takes me to that page and I have to come back to the MarshallNews site.

Yes, I know how to right click and choose "open in new tab", but wouldnt it be nice if I didnt have to?

-- Posted by ALM on Fri, Sep 10, 2010, at 11:40 AM

Eric,

My statement was in no way offensive, out of line, or anything of that kind. It was however, freedom of speach, and you deleted it. WHY?

Truth hurts, huh buddy?

-- Posted by ieatsuperglue on Thu, Sep 9, 2010, at 10:13 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
In my judgment, the comment violated our policy.

Accidents happen, no one was hurt and you daughter paid the ticket,etc. I am curious however in why she would need to hire a lawyer?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Thu, Sep 9, 2010, at 10:00 PM

John Henrys Hammer

My daughter was 17 yrs old then and worked and paid for her own insurance she was not paying attention and ran a stop sign hit a car, no one was hurt and I'm very thankful. She received a ticket and paid her own fine & lawyer since her car was not fixable had to buy a different car. I tell her that there are consequences for every thing you do. There is no need to yell about my click comment because maybe I'm in the know, lived here my whole life. Why do you bring in their income status? I'm not against law enforcement making more money but here we go again who decides that? Not the citzens. Have a good day.

-- Posted by 4kids6gkids on Thu, Sep 9, 2010, at 8:58 PM

Some folks here might be interested in this.

I'm getting a coffee cup!

http://www.cafepress.com/teapartyBS

-- Posted by What the f...... on Thu, Sep 9, 2010, at 3:52 PM

JHH, was the kid between 16-21? Texting while driving is illegal for those ages. Also was this accident prior to or after the recent LEO involved incident where no citation was issued? Inquiring minds want to know...well ok fine I want to know...

-- Posted by Scarpetta on Thu, Sep 9, 2010, at 1:35 PM

This reader is starting to wonder why we even have a PD in this town.

Just because I am curious, is there any records kept on citations issued? No matter the reason.

As far as the minors drinking...that would have been way too much paperwork to give out MIP's and ticketing those who provided to minors...both of which are illegal. Here's my question...were they local kids or Valley kids? I have a theory on either way the answer goes.

-- Posted by Scarpetta on Thu, Sep 9, 2010, at 1:31 PM

Correction~~~ Drunk driving crash~~~not an accident because it could have been prevented

-- Posted by daisygurl22 on Thu, Sep 9, 2010, at 12:38 PM

That 32% is in the United Sates. Sorry for not clarifying.

-- Posted by daisygurl22 on Thu, Sep 9, 2010, at 12:19 PM

Umm,

We are not talking about alcoholism. We are talking about drinking and driving which has led to the death of 32% of those involved in a drunk driving accident!

http://www.centurycouncil.org/learn-the-...

Why do we have to wait for it to become a problem before we decide to take action??

-- Posted by daisygurl22 on Thu, Sep 9, 2010, at 12:18 PM

How many have been killed or maimed by a drunken young driver in the community in the last five years? If any, how many of those were young people with an addictive nature that manifested itself as chronic alcoholism?

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Sep 9, 2010, at 11:34 AM

If they cared they would not let someone who has been drinking drive home. WHY would anyone condone this??? There should be zero tolerance for drinking and driving as well as drinking underage. They have less tolerance for underage smoking than they do for underage drinking. Where is the logic in that???

-- Posted by daisygurl22 on Thu, Sep 9, 2010, at 11:18 AM

Gotta agree with JHH on this one.

Back fifty years ago the local police were pouring out beer, and lettin em go. I had personal experience with that one.

I also was on more than one occasion let go with a warning on a traffic violation. It was appreciated by this poor boy who, at the time, was just trying to get by, and hoping to get ahead. I assure you I was not from a family that was influential.

I do not believe much has changed. This behavior by law enforcement personell is a long established local tradition. I believe it is based as much on the officers just caring about the people of the relatively small community of which they are a part as anything else.

Give em a break, just as they give many of us a break.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Sep 9, 2010, at 11:08 AM

John Henry's Hammer,

The sheriff or sheriff deputy who let those kids go was WRONG! What is that teaching them? If one of those kids had wrecked a vehicle and caused a death he/she would be just as responsible, in the eyes of the LAW of course. And, can we honestly know for a fact, they were all sober? I find that very hard to believe. How many do you really think went straight home?

As for the tickets being issued, the law is the law is the law!! Why have the dang laws if we are not willing to abide by them and LEO'S are not going to enforce them?? I don't understand giving someone a C&I ticket when they lose control off their vehicle and crash it. Like you said "what is the purpose"?

-- Posted by daisygurl22 on Thu, Sep 9, 2010, at 10:20 AM

Thank you,Thank you, Judge Rolf for putting that child molester away. We need more Judges to do this instead of a slap on the wrist,then maybe the child molesters will get the message that if you do the crime, you will do the time! Most kids are scared to tell, and people taking up for the molesters are as bad as the molester! The molester does these hidious acts because they don't think they will get caught , and if they do get caught, they think they won't go to jail because nobody will beleive the kids and will take up for the molesters. PLEASE people, remember kids don't lie about molestation, but the molester sure will lie!!

-- Posted by mosthonest1 on Wed, Sep 8, 2010, at 11:22 PM

This issue of the fender bender and the officer and it being an accident. My daughter ran a stop sign and she didn't mean to but was issued a ticket. Its always different when it happens to someone in the click.

-- Posted by 4kids6gkids on Wed, Sep 8, 2010, at 7:56 PM

UpseDaisy it is true, we have recently experienced a lot of minor earthquakes near here. Most were around the town of Jones in eastern Oklahoma County.

I used to disparage that poor little town because there were so many old sofas, chairs, and refrigerators in the front yards. After the series of earthquakes I said aha! Perceptions truly can be decieving. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Sep 8, 2010, at 7:44 PM

OKR : There was a whole lot of shaking going on in OK w/earthquakes, recently?

Now you are expecting rain? Have you finished restoration work after the spring hail storm?

Slater, Glad your power stayed on throughout--high temperatures usually follow hurricanes. If the AC is off, it is very hard to take.

The pictures of suffering in Pakistan, put it in perspective. We're very fortunate to live in the US of A. Cheers.

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Wed, Sep 8, 2010, at 4:36 PM

Good to hear from you UpseDaisy.

Slater I reckon it is going to hit here in the morning. We may get, or so they, say four to ten inches. I doubt that. Weather drama is a mainstay of the local network channels.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Sep 7, 2010, at 11:39 PM

Upsedaisy - I know for some, bee stings can be very harmful; I'm glad you weren't seriously affected. I can say those yellowjackets are very pesky, having been attacked by them a few times.

The hatches needed battening in a few areas here today. It was pretty windy this afternoon, with gusts up to 50 mph or so. One of the big trees in the back lost a couple of large branches, and I'm afraid it'll need to be cut down now. We had some nice showers, receiving between 3 and 4 inches, which will help replenish our aquifer.

The weather person says our rain is pretty much done, and we're in for a return to the 90s. As usual, I'll pretend fall temps have arrived with the autumnal equinox.

-- Posted by Slater on Tue, Sep 7, 2010, at 11:25 PM

Nice job Zeke. Ain't it true.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Sep 7, 2010, at 3:46 PM

Gal66 - I guess I interpreted the statement differently than you. When it said "quite often, we don't write tickets at accident scenes" and "it may not make sense to pile on something else at that moment", I thought that he meant that there might still be a ticket coming.

In other words, just because a ticket was not given on the spot, doesn't mean the person won't get one. It is possible they will be mailed one at a later date.

-- Posted by koeller77 on Tue, Sep 7, 2010, at 2:56 PM

this life we live it ain't no John Wayne movie

everything is not so black and white

the good guys ain't always so good

what seems best ain't always right

the hole in our hearts ain't so easily filled

it seems to have an all so subtle leak

days that start with bright horizons

sometimes end up dark and bleak

this life we live it ain't no fairy tale sequel

you won't find too many knights on steeds

the flowing gowns and shining armor

sometimes conceal the darkest deeds

we want to shout and ask for answers

but words fail and we find we cannot speak

and days that start with bright horizons

sometimes end up dark and bleak

-- Posted by zeke on Tue, Sep 7, 2010, at 2:27 PM

I'm with Gal66. If you run a stop sign and don't hit anyone, you get a ticket. But if you run a stop sign, hit someone and admit it was your fault, you don't? That only makes sense to the police of Marshall, MO. I'm sure any other town would get a big laugh out of the way things run here.

-- Posted by raysfan on Tue, Sep 7, 2010, at 2:23 PM

Momaster and Daisygurl22 - If you know about the underage drinking parties, have you reported them? I know the police in this town tend to turn their heads the other way, but maybe if the complaints would become bothersome to them, they would bust them and put an end to it! These parents need to be help responsible for enabling these kids. How many of our kids have to get killed while drunk or high for something to be done?

-- Posted by outsidelookin'in on Tue, Sep 7, 2010, at 10:54 AM

Sorry to post this here as some are getting tired of this topic but I can not post a comment on the story even though there are comments there from other people.

In the story about the accident involving the off duty SHP officer our chief of police said "Quite frequently, we don't write tickets at accident scenes," he said. "When a properly licensed and insured driver admits the accident was his fault and knows what he did wrong, it may not make sense to pile on something else at that moment."

I know for a fact in 3 different accidents (one of them my daughter)that did not involve members of the LEO community all 3 for running a stop sign that caused an accident tickets where given.

Why on earth would a person be given a ticket for running a stop sign that an officer saw but did not cause an accident but yet when running a stop sign caused an accident you dont get one?

I still say if the driver of the car in the accident last week that was hit by the off duty SHP had ran the stop sign and hit his truck she would have been given a ticket!!!!

There is no grey area in running a stop sign you either stop or you dont!!!!

-- Posted by Gal66 on Tue, Sep 7, 2010, at 10:28 AM

Slater looks as if it may be time to batten down the hatches in SA. Hope rain materializes. None here, (inland) for the entire week, so it is crunchy underfoot. The lilies in the broken pot bloomed very nicely. No praying mantis this year though a yellowjacket sting sent me to the emergency room. The attending asked if I kept an Epi-pen. I did but had discarded it the preceding Friday because it had expired. He said to always keep one on hand even if it is past expiry date. Still helpful in an emergency. Even the generics are expensive, but what are you going to do?

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Mon, Sep 6, 2010, at 11:28 PM

Thanks for posting the news report, Upsedaisy. I'm glad she wasn't injured by the robber's action. I went to the Imdb Web site and learned from her biography that she had a pretty active career, which I didn't realize.

We're hopeful of getting some much-needed moisture from storm Hermine. It's been a dry summer, as usual, and the crunchy grass reminds me of the winters in Missouri when the grass would sometimes become glazed with ice.

It'll soon be time to begin keeping a watchful eye out for that praying mantis (or a relative), wont' it?

-- Posted by Slater on Mon, Sep 6, 2010, at 9:34 PM

Slater,

Here is (I hope) a link to an article from the Charlotte Observer regarding Betty Lynn's move to Mt. Airy. www.charlotteobserver.com/2010/04/30/140....

The robber must have been mighty desperate for money to jump into that river in an escape attempt. Fed by mountain streams, it must have been extremely cold.

It is fun to watch shows from the olden days.

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Mon, Sep 6, 2010, at 11:32 AM

Hey Eric, what happened to the text message alerts from MDN? Haven't received any in the past week or so; I miss getting the weather every morning....

-- Posted by k_m on Mon, Sep 6, 2010, at 11:05 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Sorry about that. We'll get them going again this week.

KF - (heh heh) thanks for straightening that out. He was a little before my time. :)

-- Posted by Slater on Mon, Sep 6, 2010, at 10:37 AM

slatermo - Practice what you preach. Spell checker is two words not one according to my spell checker, or did you just make an honest mistake? Maybe so did they!

-- Posted by momaster on Mon, Sep 6, 2010, at 8:22 AM

Slater - The hilariously funny Charlie Weaver (Cliff Arquette) claimed to hail from Mt. Idy.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Mon, Sep 6, 2010, at 7:26 AM

slatermo

Actually mate....the Constitution says, as intepreted by the Supreme Court, that burning the American flag is a protected 1st Ammendment right (Texas V. Johnson, 1989).

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/ge...

You are incorrect.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Sep 6, 2010, at 7:14 AM

Mtshell08=You wrote in your comment that "I think the protacal to flying a flag went out the window when burning the flag became something people do"

I spent 20 years in the U. A. Army to include 13 months in the Vietnam war to protect the American Flag and the USA.

I am hoping that you are not saying that it is ok to desecrate the American Flag. When I see the flag turned and ragged or not illuminated at night I will call them on it. Please don't tell me that it is your first amendment right to desecrate the American Flag.

Also would you and a lot others please proofread or get a spellchecker before posting a comment.

-- Posted by slatermo on Sun, Sep 5, 2010, at 11:22 PM

You know, I'm thinking that Charlie Weaver claimed to be from Mt. Airy.

And I believe the person who played the character of Thelma Lou is from Kansas City.

Yes, I'm sure most of the actors from that series are gone now, sadly. The other day I saw Andy Griffith doing some tv commercial, and I had to look twice to know who it was.

I used to go in the TVLand Web site and watch episodes of the Andy Griffith show (along with Leave it to Beaver and one or two other old series).

Tonight I was watching the Turner Classic Movie channel which had a 4-hour marathon of the old March of Time news documentary series, which I enjoyed years ago.

-- Posted by Slater on Sun, Sep 5, 2010, at 11:17 PM

No Slater,

Mt. Airy, NC is the town upon which the fictional Mayberry is based. There is a new book out with the thesis that Topsail Island is a seaside Mayberry. The woman who played Aunt Bee retired to Pittsboro. She's gone now, so sightings are no longer possible. The woman who played Thelma (Louise?) Barney's girl friend is still living and is making her home in Mt. Airy. You can get a pork chop sandwich at the cafe. Will definitely do that if I am in Mt. Airy at lunch. Understand it is "real good". High praise, indeed.

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Sun, Sep 5, 2010, at 10:47 PM

I think the protacal to flying a flag went out the window when burning the flag became something people do

-- Posted by mtshell08 on Sun, Sep 5, 2010, at 10:35 PM

Slatermo: That is a good comment about the protocol of flag flying at night. I've noticed the County 9-1-1 center has a set of flag poles with flags that fly 24-hour; their flag poles unfortunately have no illumination. There is parking lot lighting is nearby, however, that lighting hardly provides adequate illumination as called out in the guidance.

-- Posted by oceanlord49 on Sun, Sep 5, 2010, at 2:53 PM

I am new at this and I put this in the wrong place. Will try better the next time.

================================================

I wish someone would tell the business around town that if you are going to fly the American Flag at night that to respect the flag and put a light on it. I have talked to some of them and that did not help. If they want to fly the American Flag at night then respect the flag.

"OUR NATIONAL FLAG SHOULD BE DISPLAYED ON ALL DAYS THAT THERE IS NO DANGER THE WEATHER WILL DAMAGE IT. IT NOT ONLY SHOWS RESPECT FOR OUR NATIONAL SYMBOL, BUT PROLONGS THE LIFE OF THE American Flag. IT IS CUSTOMARY TO FLY THE FLAG FROM SUNRISE TO SUNSET ON BUILDINGS OR ON A STATIONARY FLAG POLE IN THE OPEN. HOWEVER, IT MAY ALSO BE FLOWN AT NIGHT IF IT IS PROPERLY ILLUMINATED."

This can be found at http://www.americanflagstore.com/etiquet....

I fly the American Flag 24/7 unless there is going to be storms. Yes it is well illuminated.

There are two flags that is flown at night on North Benton Ave and they are illuminated.

Maybe Eric can help with this, I sure hope so.

Thanks

-- Posted by slatermo on Sun, Sep 5, 2010, at 9:42 AM

I know daisy. And if you say something to the parents they tell you its none of your business. I have seen two parties this weekend and I saw kids who I know are in high school going into those houses. Wake up parents. The kids don't need you to be their best friend they need you to be their parents.

-- Posted by momaster on Sun, Sep 5, 2010, at 9:22 AM

Momaster,

There sure is! And a lot of their parents are buying it and drinking right along with them! It is crazy and irresponsible of the parents to do so. AND, with all that drinking comes the driving home which is risking everyone of our lives. It is a shame.

-- Posted by daisygurl22 on Sun, Sep 5, 2010, at 8:58 AM

Boy there sure are a lot pf underage drinking parties in this town. Where are the parents?

-- Posted by momaster on Sun, Sep 5, 2010, at 8:03 AM

Upsedaisy, it's good to see you again, and I'm glad the storm passed you by.

So you vacationed at the real-life Mayberry, eh? Did you happen onto Aunt Bea or Clara by chance? :)

-- Posted by Slater on Sun, Sep 5, 2010, at 1:40 AM

Municipal Code: "Sec. 6-28. Area requirements.

A minimum of 25,000 square feet of open space per animal shall be required to keep, maintain, tether, confine or house sheep, horses, cattle, goats, swine or similar domestic animals anywhere in the City. It shall be unlawful for more than two such animals, in any combination, to be upon such premises. The shelter for sheep, horses, cattle, goats, swine, rabbits, mules, or poultry in any structure, whether temporary or permanent, must be 150 feet distant from any public property, church or any building used for a residence by other than the owner of such animals. The provisions of this section shall not apply to a duly licensed public stable.

(b) Designated animals, fowl prohibited at large. No owner or keeper of any cattle, hogs, horses, mules, sheep, goats, geese, ducks, chickens and turkeys, or any of them, in the City, shall permit the same to run at large in the City."

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Sep 4, 2010, at 6:40 PM

THE OWLS DONE GREAT FRIDAY NIGHT, WINNING THE GAME, SO GLAD TO SEE AND HEAR THE CROWD GET BEHIND THAM AND HELP PUMP THEM UP. HOPEFULLY THIS IS JUST THE BEGINNING OF WINS FOR MHS FOOTBALL. IF THE PENATIES GET LESS, AND THE CROWD CONTIUES TO GET BEHIND THEM WATCH OUT OPPONANTS.

-- Posted by buttons on Sat, Sep 4, 2010, at 6:13 PM

We now have the literal exemplification of "the chickens coming home to roost".

I am not eggsactly certain as to all the reasons that this movement is gaining ground, but the recent egg scare has certainly given it impetus.

All across our nation, including here in OKC people are demanding to be allowed to keep backyard chickens, bucking city ordinances. No roosters is the concession offered by those in favor. Myself I enjoy the sound of roosters crowing, and would appreciate the opportunity to nostalgically appreciate that auditory reminder of a bygone era. Hey the smell of a little chicken poop wouldn't bother me. We aren't talking next door CAFO here.

Unfortunately we are beginning to see "the chickens coming home to roost", in a figurative sense, in far too many areas. Perhaps this home grown movement will slow some of those inevitabilities.

Herbert Hoover (I believe it was he) campaigned with the slogan "A chicken in every pot, and a car in every garage." Instead he delivered the Great Depression.

I wonder when the first progressive candidate in this, the Second Great Depression will turn Hoover's words inside out, and promise "chickens in every yard", and public transportation available to all"? I hope that candidate's campaign promises come closer to fulfillment than Hoover's did.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Sep 4, 2010, at 5:10 PM

You might want to check here momaster --

http://library3.municode.com/default-tes...

M

-- Posted by missy08 on Sat, Sep 4, 2010, at 3:19 PM

Got a question. Does anyone know if there are any laws/rules for having livestock within the city limits of Marshall? To be specific...can a person living in a residential neighborhood in Marshall have chickens in their back yard?

-- Posted by momaster on Sat, Sep 4, 2010, at 2:05 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
This looks like the relevant ordinance:

ARTICLE III. OTHER ANIMALS

Sec. 6-28. Area requirements.

A minimum of 25,000 square feet of open space per animal shall be required to keep, maintain, tether, confine or house sheep, horses, cattle, goats, swine or similar domestic animals anywhere in the City. It shall be unlawful for more than two such animals, in any combination, to be upon such premises. The shelter for sheep, horses, cattle, goats, swine, rabbits, mules, or poultry in any structure, whether temporary or permanent, must be 150 feet distant from any public property, church or any building used for a residence by other than the owner of such animals. The provisions of this section shall not apply to a duly licensed public stable.

...

Hi Slater,

Thanks for your concern of Tue, 31 August. Returned from Topsail Island today at noon. Hurricane Earl went North of us. No mandatory evacuation for "Top-sell". Some WW 2 veterans may remember Camp Davis at Holly Ridge NC. New book out on "Top-sell" calls it the Mayberry of NC beaches. Good company and good seafood, good place to read three travel books too.

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Sat, Sep 4, 2010, at 1:36 PM

Oldschool,

I think it was pretty tacky for a LEO to give my father a ticket for following to close when he rear-ended another driver who passed him and came to a complete stop after passing him. That driver told the LEO it was her fault, that there was noooo way he could have stopped because he was driving a grain truck and everyone knows those trucks don't stop on a dime like an everyday car.

My son was given a ticket when we rolled his car. We were coming around a corner and a ten wheeler was at least two ft across the center line and my son swerved and then over-corrected and we when down and embankment and rolled over. There was no other vehicle involved yet he was given a ticket. You want to talk tacky.....THAT is tacky.

-- Posted by daisygurl22 on Fri, Sep 3, 2010, at 7:31 PM

The discussion about the fender-bender is getting a little old. Lets move on to some other more important topic, if that can be found in Marshall, Missouri.

-- Posted by pennypincher1 on Fri, Sep 3, 2010, at 2:45 PM

It looks like my last post has been misinterpreted and it is probably my fault. I was not saying that I agree with what took place. I don't! What I was trying to say is that this stuff takes place all of the time and that no one should be surprised by it. I am not a police officer and I know that if I happen to run off the road while trying to avoid a deer, or because of ice or rain, etc., then I am gonna get a ticket, no question! Rather than a failure to yield, I would get a ticket for careless and imprudent driving! Should police officers be treated differently? No! Are they? Yes. That was the only point I hoped to make!

-- Posted by OldOwl on Fri, Sep 3, 2010, at 12:26 PM

OldOwl, your comment reminds me of a joke about lawyers, a sinking boat in the middle of an ocean, and the lack of fatalities (amongst the lawyers, that is).

-- Posted by mikelh on Fri, Sep 3, 2010, at 10:20 AM

Well OldOwl I suppose you are right, it's crazy that tax payers expect police officers to do their jobs...crazy I tell ya. I mean they are here to protect asd serve...not just themselves.

If there had been serious injuries would you feel the same way? What if it was you involved? Would you have the same theory?

Think for just a second if this LEO has gotten out of more than one accident? If he's a mince behind the wheel at a posted 25 mph think of the person(s) on the road traveling on the highway with him running code in excess of 70 mph. Will a professional curtsey be extended then? It's likely let's just hope no one dies.

It's not just about this officer or MPD, it's nationwide hypocritic crap that continues to endanger the lives of the very people they are assigned to protect.

-- Posted by Scarpetta on Fri, Sep 3, 2010, at 9:23 AM

"Professional courtesy" can be found all over. Why is anyone surprised when one police officer refuses to write a traffic ticket to another police officer? I don't understand the uproar.

-- Posted by OldOwl on Fri, Sep 3, 2010, at 8:30 AM

Reader101, I wish I had spent a few more minutes studying your post. I see where you are coming from, and what you are saying, and I apologize for missing the mark so badly. I totally agree with you that justice will usually be served after an investigation, etc. However, having that citation issued is just one more piece of evidence that assists you in receiving that justice. Another feather in your cap, if you will. And it will make your attorney as happy as you are likely to ever see him before trial.

-- Posted by mikelh on Thu, Sep 2, 2010, at 11:17 PM

Reader101, I don't think it is always necessary to be caught red handed, so to speak, committing an illegal act in an automobile to be issued a citation. Consider the following example:

Suppose that I am westbound on a two lane highway. Also suppose that I am driving in the eastbound lane, against the opposing traffic. Upon meeting an eastbound car at the crest of a hill, I stomp down on my brake pedal and start skidding, laying down tire marks in the eastbound lane, right up until the point I impact the eastbound vehicle headon. Thankfully, we both got slowed down enough to collide without major injuries to any of us. Upon arrival of the appropriate Law Enforcement Officers, they begin their investigation. Not having seen the accident occur, the officers are able to determine by the tire marks on the pavement that I commenced braking and stayed in the wrong lane of traffic, causing the accident to occur.

Would the officer issue a citation to me for driving on the wrong side of the road, causing an accident, or maybe failure to maintain control of my vehicle, or some other citation? I believe they would cite me, even though they did not observe the accident. I may be wrong, but I think in the face of such obvious evidence, an arrest and citations would be forthcoming. Maybe an LEO could weigh in on the issue, if possible without violating any rules or regulations, and offer a little more insightful information.

-- Posted by mikelh on Thu, Sep 2, 2010, at 11:07 PM

The point I'm trying to make is that worrying about the citation is not the big picture here. If an investigation determines fault, whether by admission or from forensic evidence, accident reconstruction, etc, the person at fault will face repurcussions, legal and financial, whether or not they are issued an $80.00 citation. (It was $80.00 several years ago when I received a failure to yield citation, it may be more now. Luckily, I did not cause an accident, just performed a rolling stop at 65 and Vest at 11pm and the only other car in sight turned out to be a MPD officer.)

I may be wrong, but it was always my understanding that in order to be issued a ticket or citation, you had to be caught doing it.

-- Posted by Reader101 on Thu, Sep 2, 2010, at 10:31 PM

Scarpetta, I believe there is a law that prohibits texting by persons under the age of twenty one while operating an automobile. I'm not sure, but the legislative intent may have been that upon reaching the age of majority, texting while driving was no longer dangerous, or some line of thinking like that. As far as cell phone usage while driving, I don't think there is any law prohibiting the act, but I may be wrong. I personally don't own a cell phone anymore, so it wouldn't affect me in any case.

Back to the texting issue, though, I can tell you from personal experience that riding shotgun with an addicted text messager (is that a word?) and his mother on an interstate highway can only be accomplished by me with the help of clonazepam.

-- Posted by mikelh on Thu, Sep 2, 2010, at 9:58 PM

Looks like it is illegal, ages 16-21:

http://governor.mo.gov/newsroom/2009/Law...

-- Posted by Scarpetta on Thu, Sep 2, 2010, at 9:50 PM

mikelh, I think there's a huge compaign about driving and texting. I thought it was a new law? Or maybe it's just not recommended.

-- Posted by Scarpetta on Thu, Sep 2, 2010, at 9:45 PM

whatthef.... What difference would it make if the officer was on a cell phone? There is nothing wrong with talking and driving at the same time, is there? Is it against the law for him to do so?

-- Posted by mikelh on Thu, Sep 2, 2010, at 9:29 PM

Hmmm...remembering now why I stopped posting...

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Thu, Sep 2, 2010, at 9:27 PM

I just read an article about fighting pit bulls. As an animal lover, I find the article disturbing. Read it and see what I mean. Go to

pitch.com. That is pitch.com

There were some of these people in Marshall, or so I have been told. Do any of you people out there know of anyone raising dogs in such a way that they may be into the dog fight scene? Call up the Highway Patrol and tell them.

-- Posted by red dog on Thu, Sep 2, 2010, at 9:24 PM

Thank you very much, Eric. Such a quick response was not expected to my question, but it is certainly very much appreciated. And, as I already did a quick glance at the link provided, I must say that this is a huge improvement in access than I had the last time I looked at city ordinances. The last time, I was actually holding the ordinance book in my hands, and searching it was a time consuming affair, at best, requiring very good eyesight, and more concentration than I could muster most of the time. You just gotta love progress, even if you don't embrace it. :) Again, many thanks. mikelh

-- Posted by mikelh on Thu, Sep 2, 2010, at 9:23 PM

I wonder if the officer was talking on thier cell phone while driving? I ask because I see them doing it all the time.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Thu, Sep 2, 2010, at 9:19 PM

The only reason that the offending OHP officer did not get a ticket is the unwritten code item; officers do not give other officers tickets.

It is absolutely not the case that if the officer did not see the crime he can't give a ticket. In this case the officer admitted he failed to yield causing property damage, and possibly minor personal injury. In addition it is an ipso facto case. That is an automatic ticket unless you are a member of a priveleged group, in this case a fellow LEO.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Sep 2, 2010, at 9:16 PM

Kathy Fairchild there have been 3 posts by people that show your understanding of the law reguarding a LEO must see an offense is wrong so how about you give me a break?

Alos Kathy Fairchild let me ask you a question if your grand kids had been it this accident would you be giving anybody a break?

Also it is my understanding there was an accident involving a MPD car today does anyone know anything about that?

-- Posted by Gal66 on Thu, Sep 2, 2010, at 8:32 PM

Hi Kathy, Let's talk a few moments about your 6:25 PM post on 2 Sep 2010. A person who tells an LEO that he caused an accident by running a stop sign is an honest person, usually. Of course, when he gets to court to defend himself on the violation, after consulting with his insurance company, the first thing he will usually testify to is what a lying piece of garbage the LEO is, and how the officer has always hated and persecuted him and his family back at least 4 generations.... Get the idea? Now it becomes a case of he said/ she said before the court. And you know how they always stick together, those LEO's and the judges. So when the judge does find the person guilty, as he admitted to being at the scene, we all know the judge is not playing fair. Right? I mean, doesn't it stand to reason that most LEO's have a vested interest in protecting their own when they lie, cheat, steal, murder, etc etc etc.

No, I don't really think this to be the case. If an LEO cites you for a traffic violation, 999 times out of 1000, you got it coming. These men and women have no interest in harrassing people just to have something to do.

In regard to the second paragraph of your post, there is no legal reason for the speeder on I-70 who was speeding not to be ticketed and summoned to court to answer to the charge. Since the LEO did not see the infraction in progress, it would not be possible for him to truthfully swear in a court of law that said infraction actually occured. However, wouldn't you, the observor of the infraction, be allowed to file or execute a citizens arrest based on the infraction. Then you could prepare your testimony, attend court, etc, judt like the LEO has to do when he issues a citation.

And just to be fair here, I should tell you that in my youth, which has ended only recently, I had a rather heavy foot and a somewhat lighter regard for the speed limits posted on the highways and byways. And I paid the price, and then some, for exceeding the speed limits on more occasions than I am comfortable admitting to. After all, I was being well paid to be at work on time, and paying a speeding ticket was just another cost of doing business.

Did I complain about the unfair treatment I received in Saline County, Lafayette County, Benton County, Livingston County, Nebraska, Kansas, Iowa, Illinois? Nope, because each time I was stopped, I was breaking the law.

Did I complain about the other drivers that were doing the same thing I was doing but not getting ticketed for it? Nope, I wasn't behind the wheel of their vehicles.

-- Posted by mikelh on Thu, Sep 2, 2010, at 8:30 PM

Tony Gosset said: "Give me a break with all the talk about an officer having to see the guy run the stop sign that is a load of crap."

How about you giving us a break, too? We're just asking the question, not regarding it as settled law.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Thu, Sep 2, 2010, at 8:07 PM

So reader101, what your saying is...a person commits a crime...no LEO sees it...investigation follows...no evidence is obtained...case goes unsolved. I walk into PD and say "I did it". Are the LEOs gonna over look that and go nahhhhhh that's ok we don't have any evidence and we didn't see it. You're free to go. It's unlikely. Oh and for the sake of agreement let's say it's a hit and run which is a citable offense. The LEO didn't see them drive off, for all they know the other person said "oh it's ok it's not damaged no need to call police". Sure they should know to call police, let's assume they are not familiar with "duh info".

There is some pretty simple Driver 101 knowledge, I like to call it "duh info", I'll give an example: As a driver it is the law to stop at a stop sign. It's not rocket science to determine the person who crossed into the right of way is at fault. If car A is traveling through an intersection with no stop sign, they have the right of way. Car B then proceeds through a stop sign crashing into a car. It's obvious who broke the law and should be punished for breaking said law.

Now, if we want to say ok sure they gotta see it: I say MDN runs an add, heck I'll pay for it, asking all those issued citations for something a LEO didn't see to come forward to be returned their money...since they were cited without cause.

-- Posted by Scarpetta on Thu, Sep 2, 2010, at 7:55 PM

Pat Nolan: I enjoyed your article of 2 Sep 2010 addressing the problem of unkempt lawns in Marshall. I must, in all honesty, admit that this is not a problem that has reached my radar screen in the past, and even more honestly, probably won't reach it in the near future. Unless, of course, my neighbors begin to take exception to the condition and height of the gra... er greenery growing on my lawn. Let's assume for a moment that the lynching party... er neighborhood improvement group, decides not to berate... er demand.... er suggest any major changes to my lack of landscaping abilities in the immediate future. Great news for me, until the city shows up threatening to divert any stray Benjamins that I don't have to themselves for making the neighborhood, and indeed the entire city look blighted, indecent, dangerous, etc. Now what is a person to do in that situation? Well, the first thing to do would be to try and determine why the city would find it necessary to implement guidelines based on the 2009 International Property Maintenance Code, published by Lord knows who, at a price of who knows what.

Then, reading further in your article, it appears that in addition to regulating the height of the weeds... er vegetation in my yard, this code also addresses Lord knows how many other aspects of maintenance and repair of all buildings, pulic and private, inside the city limits. You know, this could turn out to be an expensive code that has been adopted. I wonder, has anyone in City Government read through and studied the requirements and restrictions of this code in its entirety, or just glanced over the sales brochure and said "Hey, this looks great."

Another question comes to mind: Suppose I wanted to peruse this particular code personally. Where would I seek to find an accesible copy for review?

-- Posted by mikelh on Thu, Sep 2, 2010, at 7:50 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Marshall ordinances are at

http://library3.municode.com/default-tes...

Give me a break with all the talk about an officer having to see the guy run the stop sign that is a load of crap.

My daughter ran a stop sign and caused an accident and was given a ticket there is no way the MPD officer saw the accident!

Jo is right until we make a stand big brother will just keep doing this kind of crap.

I would bet my life savings he did not get a ticket because he was a fellow LEO

To the Marshall Police Department you have a double standard period.

Signed

Tony Gossett

-- Posted by Gal66 on Thu, Sep 2, 2010, at 7:23 PM

I ran a stop sign in Marshall, MO and hit a car in the intersection. No LEO was in the area. When LEO arrived at the scene, I informed them that I had ran the stop sign and I received a citation for failure to yield. Apparently, LEO can give citations for accidents they do not witness. If not, I agree with Scarpetta; I want my money back.

-- Posted by born-n-raised on Thu, Sep 2, 2010, at 7:08 PM

Also, I believe there is a differnce between being issued a citation and being charged with something. Even though a LEO doesn't witness something, the ensuing investigation can lead to charges being filed of C&I, reckless endangerment, etc.

-- Posted by Reader101 on Thu, Sep 2, 2010, at 7:05 PM

I am of the same mind as Kathy, an officer has to witness a violation to issue a citation. Without the LEO witnessing a violation, they cannot assign fault. The insurance companies will assign fault though, and the person at fault will have to pay, and continue to pay in the form of higher insurance premiums, long after the amount of any damages has been recouped the insurance company.

-- Posted by Reader101 on Thu, Sep 2, 2010, at 7:03 PM

Jo - Right you are we the tax paying citizens have to take it from big brother out of fear of retaliation.

Kathy - Like I said, I received a citation for running a stop sign and causing an accident. I didn't fight it because I knew I was wrong, I wasted my day in court and paid my fine. While your example of the speeder is one thing and understandable, that opens a whole can of worms. I mean how can anyone be thrown in jail for any number of crimes if a LEO needs to witness it.

Based on that logic, does that mean a DUI shouldn't be issued to an intoxicated driver that caused an accidebt? The LEO didn't see the accident or the driver? Only way that's happening is if the intoxicated driver is a LEO. I guess it's a good case for any other Marshalite involved in an accident.

Let's just hope this HP doesn't kill someone the next time he runs a stop sign.

Doesn't responding LEOs determine fault? Um how can they determine fault if they don't see it?

-- Posted by Scarpetta on Thu, Sep 2, 2010, at 7:00 PM

It's always been my understanding that unless an LEO actually sees the offense, he/she can't issue a ticket. Thus, it's not enough for the driver to say, "I ran the stop sign." That sounds reasonable to me, and the more so when you consider the possibility of collusion between parties for the purpose of insurance fraud. I'm not suggesting that's the case here at all...just speculating on the situation.

Further - if the LEO does not have to see the incident to issue a citation, what's to stop anyone from saying, "Hey, that guy over there was driving 900 miles an hour yesterday on I-70" so a ticket would be issued for an incident that did not occur? Not saying I'm right about this, just throwing that out for discussion.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Thu, Sep 2, 2010, at 6:25 PM

The old saying you can't fight City hall is absolutely true with out everyone getting in the fight! Same with Washington DC! Until every American takes some kind of Civil,(radical) Action,You take what you get! The Government won't take any Action,neither will the City! The People better wake up!!!

-- Posted by Jo on Thu, Sep 2, 2010, at 5:57 PM

If I am not mistaken, my cousin ran a stop sign and it resulted in a C&I citation. he was 19 with a muscle car.

-- Posted by daisygurl22 on Thu, Sep 2, 2010, at 4:35 PM

I'm very glad these people were not serisouly injured. Smokin' that law you speak of is nothing more than a loop hole to protect the boys in blue and allow them to protect their own. This proves just how far they will go to protect their own.

Link:

http://www.zifflaw.com/NYBikerLawBlog/ny...

-- Posted by Scarpetta on Thu, Sep 2, 2010, at 4:31 PM

I ran a stop sign and caused an accident, this was in Marshall. I admitted my fault in the accident and there were no injuries. I received a citation for failure to yield. I couldn't just pay the ticket...I had to go to court. Because the failure to yield resulted in an accident my fine was almost $200.00. Now why the MPD is not issuing a citation...could it be lack of effort by the MPD Officers? I mean heaven forbid they do their job and have to appear in court. Does MDN print fine collection statistics? This reader would be curious to see how those numbers relate. If it's MPD's policy to not issue citations...who do I contact for a refund oh and the points off my license. Maybe that's the true reason this officer won't be cited...can't look good to have points on your license as a HP. (of course once it comes out if he wasn't cited)

-- Posted by Scarpetta on Thu, Sep 2, 2010, at 3:01 PM

I believe the infraction in question is "Failure to yield right of way."

Also seems somewhat illogical. If the officer observed the car running the stop sign, I am 100% sure a citation would be issued.

However, in light of evidence that the driver ran the sign (the accident) and admission of guilt by the driver ("I ran the stop sign") there is no citation. Seems arbitrary enforcement.

How then can anyone be found guilty of running a stop sign, with no accident resulting, if it is acceptable to run a stop sign in certain circumstances when it obviously caused harm or property damage?

More 21st century logic, perhaps......

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Thu, Sep 2, 2010, at 2:35 PM

About the accident involving the officer....I was just recently in the same sort of situation! Not my fualt, someone else ran the stop sign, didn't even slow down for the intersection! I do not understand how NO ONE gets a ticket!! I was taken by ambulance to the hospital and my two young children were with me! No citation was given because the officers of MPD are not trained to determine fault! Not that I understand this because in my case the other driver said to the officer that he RAN the stop sign!! And still no ticket! Really??? MPD has been great throughout my recent experience, however I think they SHOULD be giving out tickets if the people are willing to accept fault and in their statement they say they were at fault! In my opinion you don't need training to write someone a ticket that is verbally admitting to running a sign!! Really?!?!? (So here is the question at hand...How can you see me run a stop sign and give me a ticket, but I run a stop sign causing an accident and get nothing??) I am glad that everyone was ok in the recent accident and good luck!!

-- Posted by zab932 on Thu, Sep 2, 2010, at 2:26 PM

I have a copy of the report in front of me now, I should not go off of here say!

The statement by me about there not being anything in the report about the stop sign was wrong the off duty LEO told the MPD officer he failed to stop it is in the report.

But there was not a citation!

Eric I will bring you a copy of the report.

-- Posted by Gal66 on Thu, Sep 2, 2010, at 2:21 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Thanks!

daisygurl22 thanks for asking.

The girls are fine the oldest one (almost 5) is still somewhat shook.

The driver is also fine.

Eric I will see what I can do about getting a copy of the report for you.

-- Posted by Gal66 on Thu, Sep 2, 2010, at 1:59 PM

Gal66,

I hope your granddaughters were not hurt.

I am not in the least bit surprised he didn't receive a citation.

-- Posted by daisygurl22 on Thu, Sep 2, 2010, at 1:31 PM

Wow! How did the MDN miss this accident? It shouldn't be that hard to find the info Eric.

-- Posted by daisygurl22 on Thu, Sep 2, 2010, at 1:28 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
We don't generally do separate stories on non-injury accidents.

Eric,

I thought I would repost this for momandgramma as it is now in the past Speak Out section

I hope to see a mention in the paper about the off duty law enforcement officer who ran a stop sign and hit a woman's car with 2 young children. From what I could gather no one was hurt thankfully. Will the officer be issued a citation for failure to yield and causing an accident? Guess we will see...

-- Posted by momandgramma

So everyone knows the off duty LEO was a highway patrol officer who admitted he ran the stop sign and hit the car, his boss showed up at the sight in his patrol car and was talking to the MPD officer (have no idea what was said) but in the offical report there is not one word about the stop sign!

Also just so everyone knows the 2 young kids are my grand daughters.

Eric I think the paper needs to look into this!

-- Posted by Gal66 on Thu, Sep 2, 2010, at 12:18 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Does anyone have names, dates and location of the accident? Please call 660-886-2233 ext. 17 or email ecrump@marshallnews.com

We'd be glad to look into it, but more information will help us find out what happened.

I just thought of something else about this dog thing. For several years Tom Ryburn was in charge of the Animal Shelter. It was his responsibility to see to the training and methods of the Animal Control Officers. You might say he wrote the book.

Whoever wrote that it was a travesty because an Animal Control Officer wasn't there is going to have to find some other avenue to express themselves. In other words, that dog won't hunt.

-- Posted by red dog on Wed, Sep 1, 2010, at 9:36 PM

Come on people. Get real. A big mean dog will make mincemeat out of anybody or anything it attacks. The ankle biters are annoying, but a big dog, like a pit bull, are a real threat and are capable of doing great bodily harm, if not actually killing someone or something.

Tom Ryburn was there. He is a very capable law enforcement officer. In most situations, he can truthfully say "been there, done that." It took real guts on his part to go after that dog with only a catch pole. It takes two hands to operate a catch pole. His firearm would not have done him much good if the dog had got to him.

I would say Officer Ryburn had about a one per cent chance of snagging the dog with the catch pole before the dog got to him. Good job Officer Chamberlain.

As for pepper spray used on a mean, mad dog. If you depend on that, you are going to get bit. Sure, some postal workers and meter readers carry it. Ask one of them how effective it is on a really mad dog. Pepper spray gives some peace of mind but you can't depend on the stopping power.

-- Posted by red dog on Wed, Sep 1, 2010, at 8:59 PM

Earlier this summer, someone asked why the Marshall street department resurfaced Odell Avenue rather than College Street, which is arguably in worse shape. I think the answer is in Pat's MMU story:

www.marshallnews.com/story/1660766.html

The College Street sewer main needs to be replaced. According to Kyle Gibbs' meeting summary, resurfacing can't be done until after the sewer project is finished.

-- Posted by Eric Crump on Wed, Sep 1, 2010, at 2:42 PM


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