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Speak Out August 2 to September 1, 2010

Monday, August 2, 2010

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And yes Oklahoma, we did everything to get money for the Show, picking up Pop Bottles,or Watering Horse's the farmers came to town in there Horse and Wagons on Fri & Sat, and tie them up there on Court Street. Peck Iziks would let us fill up the Buckets at his Bar! i think it was 10 cents to get in the Show. It was a little earlier for me than that, maybe the early 40's I went to the Navy in 1952! Thanks again!

-- Posted by Jo on Wed, Sep 1, 2010, at 12:59 PM

Yes, Oklahoma Jim would have been in his 90's.Our families,( my Mother side) were friends when we lived next door to them on English and Porter in the late 30's & early 40's The Mother and Dad lived a long life, they all did! That's why i was asking! Thought i could maybe get in touch before he does pass,its been years! I did get to see him & his Brother, Cotten Merchant at a friends Funeral, several years ago! Thanks my friend!

-- Posted by Jo on Wed, Sep 1, 2010, at 12:32 PM

Those kids just screwed up. That is no reason to throw them under the bus, nor lock them out of further educational opportunity. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Sep 1, 2010, at 11:37 AM

Jo I doubt that Jim Merchant is still alive. He would probably be ninety plus by now. He sure passed out a lot of nickel popcorn.

Do you remember when for some reason the Auditorium charged fourteen cents for kids admission? We used to run around asking other kids for their penny so that we could collect enough to visit the snack bar. ca 1953

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Sep 1, 2010, at 11:32 AM

born in raised, it was harmless, you did not lose your job did you? I don't know any business in town who would fire an employee who was late because they HAD to take their kid to school. Also i'm sure no one lost more than 1 hour worth of pay (which most could make up easily). And Daisy, who said these were rich kids? I happen to know the parents of one child and they are anything but. Whether it was a kid from stonehedge with a clean record, or a kid from section 8 with a clean record the punishment would be the same. Now if either one had a record of trouble than they'd probably have gotten in trouble more, but when a simple prank is your first trouble of any kind than any kid would get a simple slap on the wrist. You seem to hate Marshall, by all means leave, leave it to those of us who love our town and don't want to throw kids under to the wolves because of some political view of their parents!!

-- Posted by oldschool17 on Wed, Sep 1, 2010, at 8:02 AM

jh: It would be an honor to sit down with Intelligent rational people, i seem to agree with, and the big plus would ,be they could have been old chums from my child hood sitting in the Northwest Grade school or Marshall High! the old Mary lou theater throwing popcorn at each other! We Probably weren't running mates ,but maybe new each other in school!We are about the same age,or close! Its nice to think that, after all this time! I do have a question,does anyone know if Jim Merchant is still living? Thanks! I have kept up with those who have passed. The Obituaries, there has been a lot of them! This isen't the right form but what the hell,hey! Have a good nite all!

-- Posted by Jo on Tue, Aug 31, 2010, at 11:09 PM

daisygurl22 you are correct, he should be issued a citation but we may never know. Let's hope he doesn't get special treatment just because he's an officer. About the casenet, local reports MPD, stuff doesn't always show up on there and I don't know the name...maybe it will show up in the paper. ;)

-- Posted by momandgramma on Tue, Aug 31, 2010, at 10:22 PM

momandgramma,

You could always go to www.courts.mo.gov/casenet and do a search if you know this person's name.

-- Posted by daisygurl22 on Tue, Aug 31, 2010, at 10:16 PM

Momandgramma,

I would not hold my breath on that, that's for sure. We, the public, will never know. With that being said, BY LAW, he or she should be issued a citation regardless of who they are because they were negligent and caused an accident.

-- Posted by daisygurl22 on Tue, Aug 31, 2010, at 10:14 PM

daisygurl22 you wrote "I am saying the law is the law!"

I am saying I agree! I hope to see a mention in the paper about the off duty law enforcement officer who ran a stop sign and hit a woman's car with 2 young children. From what I could gather no one was hurt thankfully. Will the officer be issued a citation for failure to yield and causing an accident? Guess we will see...

-- Posted by momandgramma on Tue, Aug 31, 2010, at 9:58 PM

Upsedaidy, I do hope you're out of harm's way over there.

-- Posted by Slater on Tue, Aug 31, 2010, at 9:09 PM

It wasn't exactly "harmless" oldschool17. I was one of those parents scrambling to get my children taken care of that morning. I was late to work. Fortunately, I didn't lose my job, but I was concerned for parents who worked for the local corporations who operate on a point system. If they were late, they could have potentially lost their jobs. Do I think those young men meant to cause harm to others? No. But some pay was lost, and some harm WAS caused.

-- Posted by born-n-raised on Tue, Aug 31, 2010, at 7:40 PM

Oldschool,

Why? Because I am sick of people who have money or come from money, getting special "favors" so their lives aren't "ruined" yet it is ok to ruin a 17 yr old kids life who is poor for the same crimes. Can you or anyone else tell me what makes that fair and equal treatment? Are RANDOM drug screening a part of this "plan"???

-- Posted by daisygurl22 on Tue, Aug 31, 2010, at 6:24 PM

The students involved in the school vandalism case have to meet several important conditions under the deferral agreement. For those who haven't seen the ad, here are some of those conditions:

Must be employed or in school on a full-time basis.

Consented to law enforcement searching their vehicles or residences for the next two years.

Must pay full restitution.

Must perform 60 hours of community service for a public or chritable purpose.

Must write a letter of apology to the Superintendent of Schools and the School Board.

Must pay for the ad in the paper.

Agreed to a curfew of from 11:55 p.m. to 5 a.m. for the remainder of the year. (The ad in the MDN included a reminder on this point: Anyone who sees us outside our homes during those hours should contact Marshall police.)

Waived the statute of limitations, so that if they fail to live up to the agreement, the ... case can be re-filed at any time prior to July 1, 2012.

The ad also included an apology to "our families, our friends, our classmates and the students, teachers, administrators, staff, patrons and taxpayers of the Marshall School District."

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Tue, Aug 31, 2010, at 5:21 PM

Daisy, i know what you meant. The fact is that it was a prank that did not hurt anyone. A few kids missed a waist of day field trip, some parents had to get away from work for a little bit that's all. I am sure the kids/parents are paying the school back for the cost so that is no issue either. Why would you want to ruin these kids lives for what they (and many others) thought of as a harmless prank. They didn't rape anyone, beat anyone, kill anyone or cause any real damage (deflating tires, not punctured or shattered windows). It was a prank and more people in this town need to get off their high horses, remember what it was like to be 17/18 years old and get a sense of humor!!

-- Posted by oldschool17 on Tue, Aug 31, 2010, at 4:35 PM

wheresthelove,

Doggie Plunge at the Pool is September 7 I believe.

-- Posted by writerintraining on Tue, Aug 31, 2010, at 3:41 PM

Oldschool,

I am saying the law is the law!! And it should be applied to everyone in the same fashion. Just because these young MEN are going to college and have scholarships should not be a reason for them to not receive the SAME punishment as ANYONE else who committed the same crime would've received.

-- Posted by daisygurl22 on Tue, Aug 31, 2010, at 3:34 PM

So I guess if you graduate, work, go to college or be enrolled and awarded scholarships you are entitled to special treatment. What the heck happened to accountability?

Well Daisey if you don't do any of those things your just a government free loader so of course you get special treatment. Are you saying someone who sits at home all day living off the taxes I pay for working every day should get the same treatment as me?

-- Posted by oldschool17 on Tue, Aug 31, 2010, at 3:03 PM

Replying to daisygurl22

I totally agree with you . Now we sit back and wait for next years prank to be topped by some one else . Slap there hand and send them on there way .

-- Posted by ambsun on Tue, Aug 31, 2010, at 3:02 PM

So I guess if you graduate, work, go to college or be enrolled and awarded scholarships you are entitled to special treatment. What the heck happened to accountability??????????????????

-- Posted by daisygurl22 on Tue, Aug 31, 2010, at 2:34 PM

I overheard an employee saying their lease amount was going to triple.

-- Posted by outsider on Tue, Aug 31, 2010, at 11:21 AM

Outsider,

Can you expand on that comment on KCP&L?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Tue, Aug 31, 2010, at 11:13 AM

Thank their local landlord for KCPL moving back to Brunswick.

-- Posted by outsider on Tue, Aug 31, 2010, at 10:17 AM

In a recent power outage, a 3rd in only 2 months which took nearly 23 hours for the problem to be fixed, I was informed that Kansas City Power and Light (KCP@L) will be closing their Marshall Repair office and moving it further away to Brunswick. Is this true? Here in eastern Saline we already suffer from repair and response times that exceed 6, 12, to 24 hours. Is this a typical response times for KCMO residents? No, because I lived there for nearly 20 years. If KCP&L move their facilities to Brunswick it will only make the situation worse. How will they arrive into eastern Saline since bridge is out at Miami, by boat? In the last 23 hour black out we not only lost all of hour refrigerated goods, but we had to dismiss an employee for the entire day and lost valuable time at work. Our weekend was more or less shot with the endless unanswered calls to KCP@L pleading with them to fix the problem. Arrow Rock Resident.

-- Posted by arsaline on Tue, Aug 31, 2010, at 8:43 AM

Thank you all so very much. We found him this afternoon stuck under a shed.. My daughter is so happy he is home God bless you all.

-- Posted by BBB on Mon, Aug 30, 2010, at 6:25 PM

Hey BBB, you might also try "Pet Patrol" on KMMO. I think that airs every afternoon. I often walk that area early a.m. but haven't been out for a few days.... Good luck. I hope you find the kitty soon!

M

-- Posted by missy08 on Mon, Aug 30, 2010, at 4:43 PM

You missed a church service. A hispanic one at that.

-- Posted by noshadesofgray on Mon, Aug 30, 2010, at 4:05 PM

What was the event that happened just off the square over the weekend? I heard it on the opposite side of town and when i drove by there was a stage and many people in the middle of the road. Seemed out of place at 9:00 at night, just wondering what i missed!!

-- Posted by oldschool17 on Mon, Aug 30, 2010, at 3:06 PM

BBB,

Saw a black and white cat in Orschlens parking lot last night around 9pm.

Good luck, I hope you find it.

-- Posted by noshadesofgray on Mon, Aug 30, 2010, at 1:47 PM

I was unsure where on here I should ask this but we are missing our three year old black and white cat He went missing Friday. He is my daughters best friend and I am just a desperate mother looking for some help so sorry if I have annoyed anyone or done something wrong by posting this here.. In the area of S Benton and Morrow I have lost my black and white cat . Anyone who has seen or think they have seen him please let me know.

-- Posted by BBB on Mon, Aug 30, 2010, at 12:14 PM

It seems to be that the MDN is filling the pages with info we already have, OR doesn't really tell anything. I am referring to the TV programming that you can get right off your cable service or satellite service and the ambulance and police reports. Until someone is named, I don't see any point putting it in the paper, or is it anybody's business OR you are just trying to fill empty space to make the paper seem like it has more new information!!

-- Posted by farmerwife on Sun, Aug 29, 2010, at 11:06 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
There still are people who depend on the paper's TV listings. In your second objection, if you are referring to arrest reports, arrests are news. Most news providers publish arrest reports. The name is withheld by our policy until charges are filed. Technically, the name of the person is public information already, but we choose to wait until the case has been reviewed by the prosecuting attorney before making the name of the accused public. There are cases where an arrest is made but no charges are filed. We err on the side of caution as a rule.

I'd love to pay $2.30-something for gas. It was $2.71 a gallon when I filled up earlier this week up here in Wisconsin!

-- Posted by koeller77 on Sat, Aug 28, 2010, at 7:23 PM

Congratulations to Coach Paul Thomas and his Marceline Tigers on there victory last night. Coach Thomas first as a Tiger and I'm sure there will be many more.

Also congratulations to Scott Latham, former Marshall Owls activities director, for his new job he started earlier this summer at Lansing Community College in Lansing, MI.

Best wishes to both of you this season and in the future.

See you at Valley's home games Paul.

-- Posted by sixty on Sat, Aug 28, 2010, at 12:55 PM

Although the Owls lost last night to Chillicothe, they played a great game. It was a very close game and with a few breaks, we had a shot at winning! Hats off to the new coaching staff. The offense looked good and I saw some great tackling on defense. The defense made some nice stops at the right times. Coach got the boys fired up in the first half and it carried thru the rest of the game. Enjoyed the band at halftime also! Maybe they could play a few more songs from the stands.

-- Posted by OldOwl on Sat, Aug 28, 2010, at 10:47 AM

Gas is 2.39 in Sweet Springs and 2.34 in KC.

-- Posted by momaster on Fri, Aug 27, 2010, at 9:11 PM

Yep, outsider. Gas is $2.35 in Sedalia. I'm so sick of being ripped off.

-- Posted by born-n-raised on Fri, Aug 27, 2010, at 7:44 PM

The price fixers are at it again. I've been in several parts of the state this week and gas is at least a dime/gal higher here than most anywhere else....including the Lake of the Ozarks area.

-- Posted by outsider on Fri, Aug 27, 2010, at 3:03 PM

oops found it....sept 7

-- Posted by wheresthelove on Fri, Aug 27, 2010, at 1:20 PM

Any info on the puppy plunge this year at the pool?

-- Posted by wheresthelove on Fri, Aug 27, 2010, at 1:17 PM

I was just thnking, maybe aristocrat works for 911, or some other saline county department. Maybe this person can't speak up due to fear of losing a job??? Just a thought....and I thought it did say your information wouldn't become public knowledge. Guess I could be wrong!

-- Posted by L&C on Thu, Aug 26, 2010, at 10:25 PM

Apparently ths 911 thing is a non-problem. That is good to know. Who is JC? Would that be a board member's intials? Do I sense a feud?

-- Posted by red dog on Thu, Aug 26, 2010, at 9:39 PM

IT SEEMS TO ME ARISTICAT22 IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE 911 CENTER OR A SPECIFIC BOARD MEMBER QUIT HIDING BEHIND YOUR COMPUTER AND GO TO A MEETING. BETTER YET GIVE J.C. A CALL SINCE YOU ARE SO WELL INFORMED AND TALK WITH HIM OR SET UP A FACE TO FACE MEETING. I AM SURE HE WOULD GLADLY EXPLAIN EVERYTHING TO YOU UNLESS YOU JUST WISH TO CONTINUE STIRRING THE PERVERBIAL POT. EITHER COME FORWARD OR LET THE PROBLEM GO. BETTER YET NEXT TIME THE ELECTION COMES AROUND RUN FOR A BOARD MEMBER POSITION AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE PROBLEMS YOU SEE IN ALL YOUR INFINATE WISDOM.

-- Posted by 1laststand on Thu, Aug 26, 2010, at 6:19 AM

Mikelh, the actual issue behind why the Feds objected to the state building the group homes is that the state wanted to use those homes for the Waiver program. The state can build the homes, they just can't receive funding under the Waiver program.

What the Feds were saying is that they wouldn't agree to funding a Waiver program as a cluster on the campus of an institution, hence the same problem with the homes on the campus of Marshall Hab Center. The full name for the program is "Home and Community Based Waiver" with the idea that people would receive services in the community just like everyone else. When you set up those homes on the grounds of an institution, you are defeating the purpose of the program. Mental Health knew this when they started this effort, but they saw a way to get more money out of the Feds, so threw principles to the wind.

-- Posted by cmasretire on Wed, Aug 25, 2010, at 9:58 PM

Great job on the last two articles on the Saline county 911 Center. You were asked to look into the situaion there and you did so, thank you. I have a couple of questions though. When director Smith stated the center was at full capacity, was she asked if that meant the dispathing staff was full or was she counting the mapping person, and secretary, within the 13 person staff. As I know they, as well as Director Smith,can not dispatch as none of them are qualified. Second, if they are at full capacity, what happens when the two that gave notice are no longer there? I believe they depart after this week. Will they not then be two short. Also, I belive another is on suspension and will be gone in the very near furture. That then makes them three short. Was Director Smith asked how much overtime the dispatchers are averaging, it may be as high as 20-30 hours a week or pay period. I know they were on mandated overtime prior to these last three leaving,will it increase? Your article is correct though, the dispatchers do a great job and are under a great deal of stress due to their job. I just happen to belive they are under more stress then normal due to the situation from administration and a certain board member. One last question, why was I attempted to be identified, or at least my ip address? I do not believe I ever saw this information printed to any other story. Just curious, was J.C. there asking who I am?

-- Posted by aristicat22 on Wed, Aug 25, 2010, at 6:35 PM

Thank you, cmasretire, for your reply and views. I read the article linked by Eric, as well as looking up the Olmstead Decision as suggested by born-n-raised. It appears, however, that my question turns out to be a matter of interpretation, or maybe semantics, who knows. What I originally asked about was how the federal government could not allow state officials to build group homes on state owned property, ie, the hab center at Nevada. From what I've read so far, the feds have not actually forbid the state to build the group homes on the hab center campus, they merely declined to offer up any funding for the project.

Thanks to all who helped me achieve a better understanding of this matter. mikelh

-- Posted by mikelh on Wed, Aug 25, 2010, at 6:16 PM

Mikelh, the reason the Feds have a say in how the hab center is run is because the Feds pay around 60% of the cost, whether the hab center is Title XIX or Waiver. If the hab center does not meet Federal standards of care, then they will pull their funding. This has been done in other states and threatened in Missouri. The Feds do routine surveys of Title XIX to ascertain compliance. Surveys of Waiver are not nearly so frequent.

The main reason for trying the switch to Waiver was because the State can charge the Feds more under that program because the costs are calculated differently. Money, pure and simple, was the reason for the switch. It's the mindset that Federal money somehow grows on trees, so all is fair when you try to get more of it, no matter how you have to manipulate things. Basically, the care for the residents didn't change at all, just how much money the Feds (i.e. taxpayers) would pay.

-- Posted by cmasretire on Wed, Aug 25, 2010, at 3:37 PM

Thank you for the information, born-n-raised. I will Google it and see where it leads.

-- Posted by mikelh on Wed, Aug 25, 2010, at 2:02 PM

mikelh, it has a lot to do with how costly it is to the federal government. Medicaid Waiver homes are more costly to the federal government because they pay 60% of the cost, whereas the state picks up 40%.

The Supreme Court decision that Eric referred to is the Olmstead Decision. You can google it to learn more.

-- Posted by born-n-raised on Wed, Aug 25, 2010, at 12:19 PM

Thank you very much, Eric and Kathy, for your response. I will read the Nevada article, and then begin an internet search to try and find where and why the federal government would have any say in this issue. It appears to me that it is a state issue to be decided and acted upon by the people of Missouri. But then again, I've been wrong many more times than I've been right. Again, thank you for your response.

-- Posted by mikelh on Wed, Aug 25, 2010, at 12:00 PM

My apologies for the lack of specific direction of my comment. Quoting the article:" At issue is a federal government decision not to allow group homes to be built...". The thing that bothers me is the federal government dictating how our state government is run. Of what possible concern, barring patient abuse or corruption of public officials, is it of the federal government how our habilitation centers are run? As there is absolutely no mention of any corruption or patient abuse in the article, why would the federal government be making any decision concerning the construction of group homes by the people of Missouri?

-- Posted by mikelh on Wed, Aug 25, 2010, at 9:04 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Good question. I believe the decision may be based on a Supreme Court decision a number of years ago that says developmentally disabled people should be cared for in the least restrictive environment possible. I don't know very much about it, but the issue came up in Marshall last year during community discussions about group homes.

This story in the Nevada Daily Mail may shed some light:

http://www.nevadadailymail.com/story/165...

Why, thank you, Cosa Nostra! That IS my goal, of course.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Wed, Aug 25, 2010, at 8:19 AM

mikelh: There are two stories on the subject you mentioned. Could you be more specific on what's bothering you?

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Wed, Aug 25, 2010, at 6:44 AM

My first post to a blog, please bear with me.

Is anyone else disturbed about the contents of the second paragraph of Kathy Fairchilds' front page story on habilitation center funding at Marshall and Nevada, MO?

-- Posted by mikelh on Tue, Aug 24, 2010, at 9:42 PM

rr3yv0,

Does it matter what I say? You seem to think you know me. Do you?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Tue, Aug 24, 2010, at 7:25 PM

Tonight on PBS - P.O.V.

Program Description

Scottish filmmaker Amy Hardie has built a career making science documentaries that reflect her rational temperament. When she dreamed one night that her horse was dying, only to wake and find the horse dead, she dismissed the incident as coincidental. Then she dreamed she would die at age 48 -- the next year. When Hardie does get ill, just as the dream predicted, her search takes her to neuroscience experts and finally a shaman. "The Edge of Dreaming" is an evocative, intimate chronicle of that year and a fascinating investigation into the human subconscious.

-- Posted by Slater on Tue, Aug 24, 2010, at 6:03 PM

Am I right wtf?

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Tue, Aug 24, 2010, at 5:35 PM

rr3yv0,

What make you think that?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Tue, Aug 24, 2010, at 3:13 PM

wtf you are 47 or 48 if you are not 48 you are real close to it. You graduated about 1980?

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Tue, Aug 24, 2010, at 2:53 PM

Why are we no longer able to post on your Smut police reports?

I found it rather amusing.

>.

-- Posted by EiEiO on Tue, Aug 24, 2010, at 1:37 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
We stopped allowing comments on crime stories some time ago because it was taking too much staff time "policing" those forums.

Hate the new page layout, BTW.

-- Posted by EiEiO on Tue, Aug 24, 2010, at 8:00 AM

rr3yv0,

Not that it matters but I never said that I went to school with Alan, therefore that doesn't nescessarily mean that you and I went to school together unless you know more about me than you are letting on.

Still, it's very sad and he was reasonably young.

One still wonders how he died.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Tue, Aug 24, 2010, at 6:29 AM

Sorry to hear about Alan Christy I went to school with him too. Yeh I went to school with you too wtf.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Mon, Aug 23, 2010, at 8:59 PM

I was saddened to hear about my ol'buddy

Alan Tucker Christy's passing.

He was only 49, Does anyone know how he died?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Mon, Aug 23, 2010, at 4:21 PM

Has anyone had the problem of getting someone else's utility bill, or more than one bill in the same envelope? My mother's pacemaker kicked in when she opened her utility bill the other and it was literally 10 times higher than it normally is. Then she saw that she had a bill for someone else in the same envelope along with her bill. Anyone else have this problem?

-- Posted by BlackBird on Mon, Aug 23, 2010, at 11:34 AM

Thank you Mr Kelling and xray that makes it a lot clearer. Without knowing that traveling around the county it all seems random. Thanks for the information.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Mon, Aug 23, 2010, at 6:24 AM

My understanding from Saline County and other counties that I am familiar with was that there were many unnammed roads, roads that split but the branches had the same names, and duplicated names.

Probably to be realistic there was a portion of the scheme to rename roads so that map makers and road sign makers got to get their hands in the money for implementing the various stages of 911 services.

However, this was posted in a previous article in the paper:

"For those who have questions on road Names. The roads start from the West side of the county beginning with the letter "A" and every two miles "B", "C" and so forth. If we get a call on Lime Ave., we know to look on the map East of Marshall. If we get a call on Alaska we know to look on the Westside of the county. The Numbered Roads start at the South County line at 100th Rd. and go North. 175th Rd. is 7.5 miles North of the county line. 328th Rd is 22.8 miles North of the county line.

Also the names were picked out of a data bank of least stolen road names across the USA. There is a $1000.00 reward for information leading to the arrest and conviction of theft or vandalization of Road signs."

people were also give a chance to submit 'legacy' names 2 years or so prior to the changes but some people did not do this and were upset. And due to the roads being winding and other situations the above guidelines probably are not totally consistent.

Having been associated with a 911 call center at one time and working with EMS in a much more rural county up in NW missouri, these changes are a pain but the EMS is much more efficient in finding YOU when YOU need immediate help with the new systems than with random and duplicated names.

-- Posted by mrxray on Sun, Aug 22, 2010, at 11:07 PM

rr3yv0,

Hopefully I can answer some of your questions from the perspective of an Emergency provider in Saline County. Under the old system a route and box number never came up as an address. We only knew what area of the county it was in. We had to rely on the information given by the caller. Many times this information went through numerous call centers before reaching us and the reporting party had long since been disconnected. Often by the time it reached a local call center there would not even be a call back number for them to use. It was impossible to find an address in Rt/Box format in a timely manner. Under the new system it is very easy. The new addressing system is set up on a grid. Each address has a GPS location. (These have been provided to the GPS companies and it is up to them to update their maps). E-911 has no control over what they do. Numbered roads are east and west, named roads are north and south. Road numbers start at the south county line with 100th road. So 165th road is 6.5 mile north of the county line, 200th Rd is 10 miles north of the county line. Lettered roads start with A from the west county line. So a road name starting with G is between seven and eight miles east of the county line. Legacy roads such as Watermill and Mt. Olive did not change. I can tell how far in distance I am from the sequential numbers in an address. When a call comes in from an address E-911 has it on their computer screen. They give us cross roads. As we are responding the automatic vehicle locators in all the Ambuances are tracked and 911 can give us turn by turn directions if need be. Granted no system is perfect but what we now have in Saline County is state of the art with some of the best systems that are out there. These are just the basics to the grid system. Maybe MDN can do a more in depth story on the more finite details. As for the road names it was explained to me that they came from a data-base of road signs that are the least stolen. In the start up phase it was advertised that if a person wanted a specific road name they could request it. I hope that this clears up some of your questions. I'm sure that any of you who have any technical or procedural questions can contact the E-911 center at 831-1911 and they would be happy to answer them for you.

Wade Kelling

Director of Operations

Saline County Ambulance

-- Posted by wkelling on Sun, Aug 22, 2010, at 10:44 PM

What I don't understand about the 911 address is this...why did the road names have to be changed? In several other states that implemented 911 addressing years ago, they simply went from a rural route and box number, to an address on their county road. For example, a person went from RR1, box 156, to 28771 CR (county road) 403, city, state & zip. It seemed to me that the county roads were numbered in an organized fashion that would make it easier to put in GPS and make sense than all the weird names they were changed to.

-- Posted by Reader101 on Sun, Aug 22, 2010, at 10:21 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Here's some information about the reasons for the new addressing system:

www.marshallnews.com/story/1136859.html

www.marshallnews.com/story/1277893.html

www.marshallnews.com/story/1245692.html

My experience with 911 has not been positive. I wonder what was wrong with route and box numbers for rural route and county road numbers? Now when you read something in the paper and they give the name of the road you have no idea where that road is unless you live on it or travel by it. There is no rhyme or reason to the addressing method used.

I know counties that have had 911 for years and you still cannot GPS an address and emergency personal don't know where you're at either you still have to give directions. If you build a new residence you get your address from 911 first then you have to call the post office to tell them your address so they can put it in their database. Who came up with the road names? You travel down a road and every time you turn a corner the road name changes how confusing is that?

I would just like to know what all that money for 911 pays for that we didn't have before 911? Other than a universal number for emergencies what is the advantage over having police, fire and ambulance numbers taped to your phone? What is the advantage of having a 5 digit address and new street name that you can't remember over route and box number easy to remember?

I think this should be explained by the 911 commission so we know why something cost so much but the average person cannot see it or don't know.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sun, Aug 22, 2010, at 9:40 AM

Okay! Okay! Enough already. What in the world is going on at the 911 center? The dogs want to know. Would people please stop posting inuendo and spell out what the problem is? Is there one "n" or two in innuendo?

Tar and gravel on our streets. Man, that is old school. Before asphalt laying machines were on the scene, that is the way it was done. Try riding a bicycle on it, especially after the gravel is piled up to the sides.

Don't knock the street department, this method preserves the streets and is a whole lot cheaper than asphalt. If you want, we can give the City more money and then it will be possible to pave with asphalt. What? What do you mean? No more taxes??

Now that I think about it, a street maintenance/improvement tax just might be approved by the voters. New schools are not a priority with the patrons, but I bet streets are.

Once again, what is going on at the 911 center? Is the Board accountable to anyone? I think you will find the Board does not have to answer to anyone at a higher level, like the County Court. Is the operation not managed properly? Are the dispatchers a bunch of prima donas and don't take instruction well? What is going on?

-- Posted by red dog on Sun, Aug 22, 2010, at 7:02 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
We're working on a story about the staffing situation at E911. It may take a few more days.

MHCFAN says: "And I think maybe some of our experienced dispatchers, who've never had to be accountable for their actions in the past, don't like it that they have to be now. Just a thought."

I highly doubt these people were not held accountable to their previous employers. It makes me wonder what MHCFAN's connection is to the agency. If it is someone in the administration, with that attitude towards the employees....well, let's just say it would explain a few things.

-- Posted by pepperbaby on Sat, Aug 21, 2010, at 8:54 PM

Boy I wish I could read my MDN tonight but my paper person failed to put it in a plastic bag and with the 3 inches of rain we had before i got home, well......thanks alot.

-- Posted by momaster on Fri, Aug 20, 2010, at 9:34 PM

how is it that any new structure or a business is required to have a paved or concrete drive and then the city can gravel our streets?

-- Posted by Electricity on Fri, Aug 20, 2010, at 6:17 PM

http://www.emergencypower.com/?gclid=CKL...

When the ZOMBIES attack.

-- Posted by EiEiO on Fri, Aug 20, 2010, at 6:02 PM

POWER~OUTAGE

Great job MMU.

You had it under control like Ninjas.

=-)

-- Posted by EiEiO on Fri, Aug 20, 2010, at 5:55 PM

MHCFAN says: "And I think maybe some of our experienced dispatchers, who've never had to be accountable for their actions in the past, don't like it that they have to be now. Just a thought."

Seems like you know more than you are letting on. I sure hope you called and talked with the newspaper about what it appears you know. Of course that is my take on how you phrased your comment.

-- Posted by Scarpetta on Fri, Aug 20, 2010, at 3:57 PM

Well I'd say with the heads and members of many departments on the board along with an attorney helping make these decisions, I doubt we really have to worry about "gosh, nobodies gonna be there to answer my emergency call!". Seems like someone's just trying to stir the pot. We use "taxpayer money" as an excuse to run the agency through the mud. They're new, makin' changes, and it takes time. And I think maybe some of our experienced dispatchers, who've never had to be accountable for their actions in the past, don't like it that they have to be now. Just a thought. And if I misjudged your intent, I apologize.

-- Posted by MHCFAN on Fri, Aug 20, 2010, at 3:50 PM

First, I doubt if we will ever find out who is right or wrong in this mess. 911 will not be able to comment on personnel matters for fear of lawsuit especially if a dispatcher is fired. So an investigation may only get one side of the story. Two, What exactly does experienced mean? I'm sure many of us have seen situations where experienced people do not retrain well into a new system. The truth is that we have elected a board to represent our interests in regards to the county wide 911 system. In the end we hope they do that well.

-- Posted by justfacts65340 on Thu, Aug 19, 2010, at 7:58 PM

How about we do away with that big old Expedition that the 911 Center really doesn't need and buy something that gets over 20 mpg?

-- Posted by ieatsuperglue on Thu, Aug 19, 2010, at 7:36 PM

MHCFAN you misjudge my intent. My intent is for concerned citizens like myself to get answers to some frightning questions. I do not understand why this upsets you. If there is an investigation and it finds that I am wrong about the information I have recieved, and all is well, as you have suggested, then that is wonderful. I believe the only people who are affraid of an investigation are the people who believe they are doing something they shouldn't be. I'm not sure of your involment at the 911 Center but you seem to take my comments very personal. I'm sorry if my questions have hurt your feelings, becase that is not my intent either. If you have suggestions as to how or where I should be asking these questions please inlighten me. From my experiances it seems the best way to get answers (that deal with a large number of people such as tax paying citizens) is out in the open. So everyone can see exactly what is taking place, everyone has the right to know. From the information I have recieved there are at least 3 people at the 911 Center now that probably won't be for much longer, because they have given their resignation notice. So again I ask why are they leaving, on their own accord?

-- Posted by aristicat22 on Thu, Aug 19, 2010, at 5:22 PM

wonderfish: Your comment "if it is true" is exactly the point. Many of those posting here are doing nothing more than spreading third-hand rumors (or worse), making insinuations based on poor (or no) information or deliberately presenting misinformation just to see how gullible we all are.

What do they call this place? The Show-me State? Why don't we wait for PROOF that the 911 center is circling the drain, if there is any, and then decide.

-- Posted by Miss Marple on Thu, Aug 19, 2010, at 4:36 PM

From what I've seen and heard, I do have confidence in the 911 Center. I just think there is a better way of voicing complaints than making generic allegations in the media. That is was breeds distrust among the community, which I'm sure is the intent. I'm sure that aristicat is in a position to make suggestions or direct questions through more helpful channels, and if not, I'm sure he's already contacted Pat Nolan on the listed phone number for specific questions to be asked.

-- Posted by MHCFAN on Thu, Aug 19, 2010, at 3:48 PM

MHCFan my concern isn't really for the people who no longer work, or will no longer be working at the 911 Center. My concern is for all of us, the citizens that pay for the 911 Center. It's bothersome to hear very soon there might not be enough employees to run the 911 center. How is it suppose to function if there are not enough people there to answer the phones or radios. I have a hard time believing all of the Dispatcher that are no longer there fail to meet the required expectations. I think the 911 Center will soon be filled with Dispatchers that have absolutly no experiance at all. How secure or safe would that make you feel in an emergency? Having no one to answer the phone, or someone who doesn't know how to help me is a very frighting thought. Why move on? Why ignor the these honest questions? By answering them we will find either there is no problem at all, or there is a serious problem and hopefully it gets fixed.

-- Posted by aristicat22 on Thu, Aug 19, 2010, at 9:26 AM
Response by Pat Nolan/Staff writer:
Call me. 886-2233. Tell me about it.

For the people posting information regarding the E911 center, I would appreciate a call for the story we are doing. Pat Nolan - 886-2233 ext 22

-- Posted by Pat Nolan on Thu, Aug 19, 2010, at 9:19 AM

It looks like a crisis in confidence is brewing regarding the 911 organization. Now would be a good time for the powers that be to go proactive, and nip it in the bud. How about public comment from that quarter?

I can't think of many local services that it is more important for citizens to feel secure about than that one. I wonder how many have already began taping the direct numbers for fire, police, and sheriff to their phones?

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Aug 19, 2010, at 12:23 AM

I don't know MHCfan. Regardless of where aristocrat is getting his info, if it is true it is quite concerning. Let's face it, we are all now dependant on this agency for all of our emergency services (by design)and to hear they may not have the staff to operate?? At least before 911 my taxes were lower and someone was always there to answer the phones in case I have a heart attack or Michael Meyers shows up at my door with a chainsaw (possibly causing me to have another heart attack). Let's all hope he is wrong and the situation is not truly that dire over there. However, instead of plugging your ears and saying "I can't hear you" don't you think it would be better to ask to make sure? Just in case you would wreck your car, your house would catch fire, or you had a medical emergency only to find out the phone just rings endlessly with no one to answer whilst the police/fire/ambulance guy checks his watch, drinks another cup of coffee waiting for the call that will never come with no idea that you need them?

-- Posted by wonderfish on Wed, Aug 18, 2010, at 10:53 PM

aristicat, where is all your information coming from and why hasn't the board done something about it? Maybe it's because these employees weren't meeting the expectations set forth by their employer. Maybe it's because the boss is difficult to work for. Either way, each one of us faces these same challenges in our work place. But we are all VERY SORRY to keep having to read these blogs about your friend/wife/husband etc. who no longer has a job. Please move on!

-- Posted by MHCFAN on Wed, Aug 18, 2010, at 4:46 PM

Inthemiddle, I think we may be speaking about the same thing. Marching band can be demanding and it HAS to be 1st hour. If a student needs/wants to take another class that is only offered 1st hour, then the student has a choice to make. My point is that a student should not be criticized for passing on marching band in order to accomodate the scheduling of other classes. Yes, I am old enough to see and recognize a change in work ethic of the "younger generation." I suspect it is the same change in work ethic my parents saw in me and my generation when I was in high school. It is true that the more things change the more they are the same. I've seen a very strong work ethic in many of our high school students and applaud it! Again, don't paint with that broad brush!

-- Posted by OldOwl on Wed, Aug 18, 2010, at 3:53 PM

Yet again further problems seem to be arising at the 911 Center. 2 more employee's have given their resignation. From what I hear there are not going to be enough employees to run the place. I'm now wondering more than ever what kind of working enviroment have they created there. The 911 Center has great pay and great benifits.... so what is going on that makes it so bad to work there, and is the 911 Board going to do anything about it? Eric is there any investigating that can be done to see what the Director of the 911 Centers qualifications are, or the entire Administration for that matter. Because from all the information I've received the Dispatchers that are leaving have years of exprieriance. Someone needs to find out why all these Dispatchers (that seem to be well qualified) are leaving in droves.

Response by Eric Crump/Editor:

We will inquire about the staffing situation.

-- Posted by aristicat22 on Wed, Aug 18, 2010, at 10:16 AM
Response by Pat Nolan/Staff writer:
Contact me at 886-2233 ext. 22 to discuss it E911 issues. I am working on coming story and would like your input.

Oldowl, I have spoken to several of the students who are quitting, but not all. At least 3 of them told me that it was because they were not wanting to do the work because they thought it was too demanding and or too much of an interference in their lives.

Depending on how old an owl you are, there has been a change in the work ethic of many of the students. If they do not see it as beneficial to their ultimate career goal, it goes onto the back burner

-- Posted by inthemiddle on Tue, Aug 17, 2010, at 8:36 PM

POV on PBS tonight looks to be entertaining and informative. We get it at 10 pm:

Program Description

In his search for "somewhere I could point my camera into pure space, " award-winning photographer Murray Fredericks began making annual solo camping trips to remote Lake Eyre and its salt flats in South Australia. These trips have yielded remarkable photos of a boundless, desolate yet beautiful environment where sky, water and land merge. Made in collaboration with documentary filmmaker Michael Angus, "Salt" is the film extension of Fredericks' work at Lake Eyre, interweaving his photos and video diary with time-lapse sequences to offer viewers the liberating and disorienting experience of being thrown into an infinite dimension of mind and spirit. "Salt" will be accompanied by a selection of shorts: Ellen Frick's "A Healing Art" delves into the world of artificial eye makers as they rekindle hope for victims of tragedy; and animated shorts from the Peabody Award-winning oral-history project StoryCorps These shorts capture the stories of everyday Americans in their own voices.

-- Posted by Slater on Tue, Aug 17, 2010, at 5:48 PM

Here's a link to the entire text of Derek Donovan's column about online discourse I quoted in an earlier post:

http://www.kansascity.com/2010/07/31/212...

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Tue, Aug 17, 2010, at 10:51 AM

Some of the comments regarding the band program at MHS appear to me to be painting with a very broad brush. I know a band member who is unable to participate in marching band this year due to scheduling conflicts with other classes. As other writers have noted, the State has seen it fit to increase the number of hours required for graduation. This increase, along with limited class scheduling opportunities, has caused many students to be placed in a position of having to be very selective with class schedules. Those who have suggested that students who have passed on marching band this semester are lazy, unmotivated, etc., I say you are sadly mistaken. While I have not conducted any formal study into the matter, my guess is that the GPA of the Marshall Band as a whole is very high. These students tend to be not only musically driven, but also academically driven. Not surprisingly, they are also very involved in sports, student government and other activities. There are only so many hours in the day and students must make the best use of their time. They should not be criticized for doing so. I'm afraid that the days of having 100 members in our marching band is a thing of the past and probably never to be repeated. I wish that it was otherwise!

-- Posted by OldOwl on Tue, Aug 17, 2010, at 9:47 AM

born-n-raised: No one has taken your quite-valid comments as an attack, and I'm sorry you feel that way. On the contrary - I didn't realize that I'd forgotten to post the story that generated your comment, so it's a positive thing that you mentioned it. We've had other readers question why we no longer allow comments on crime stories, and your comment gave us another opportunity to say why.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Tue, Aug 17, 2010, at 8:27 AM

I had already guessed that time constraints were the primary reason for this policy. Of course that does not change the fact that it is censorship. Regardless, I never intended to have my comments construed as an attack on the MDN or any of its employees. I was simply expressing my opinion (however irrational it may be). To condesend and belittle others, however it is thinly disguised, is a good way to alienate your audience.

-- Posted by born-n-raised on Tue, Aug 17, 2010, at 7:39 AM

born-n-raised: The time required to "police" comments on crime stories was more than we could reasonably handle. In that sense, it's not so much censorship as it is our need to focus our energies and attention to writing other stories. And we don't pick and choose among the various crimes - we don't allow comments on any of them.

We're not alone in doing this, by the way. The KC Star, among other newspapers, has also decided to put the brakes on comments for those kinds of stories and for much the same reason. KC reader representative Derek Donovan said, in a recent column on the subject, "My personal hunch is that anonymous Web comments will be with us forever, but rational users will see them more and more for what they are: the electronic equivalent of scrawls on the bathroom wall. Sometimes they make you mad, and sometimes they make they laugh - but they rarely really make you think."

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Tue, Aug 17, 2010, at 6:46 AM

I'm disappointed in your policy, Eric.

Restricting what we say and are allowed to read certainly insures that some readers won't be offended, but at what cost? I have definitely been offended by some of the comments on this forum, and have been happy to see some of them removed. However, to have a blanket policy that no comments are allowed about certain stories is overreacting. Censorship has become too acceptable and that scares me. If we become complacent now, what can we expect later?

-- Posted by born-n-raised on Mon, Aug 16, 2010, at 8:36 PM

Kathy, I wasn't criticizing the MDN for not posting the story online, only attempting to learn more about the story. I'm interested in knowing when Marshall Parks and Recreation officials were made aware of the situation and what there course of action was. According to casenet, the incident occurred on 6/14/10. Did officials know then? Were other daycampers interviewed to find out if there were more victims? Were parents notified?

Also, I'm curious why comments aren't allowed on stories like this anymore?

-- Posted by born-n-raised on Mon, Aug 16, 2010, at 7:21 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
We detected a strong trend: Comments on crimes were disproportionally likely to attract comments that violate our posting policy when compared to other types of stories.

born-n-raised: The story doesn't appear online only because I forgot to post it; I will remedy that in the morning. Since we no longer allow comments on stories of this type, I can't make any additional comment on it here.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Mon, Aug 16, 2010, at 6:55 PM

Although not posted in the online addition, the MDN printed a story indicating a man has been charged with a Class B Felony of Child Molestation in the 1st degree. The victim was a child who attended the Marshall Parks day camp/daycare this summer. The man, Isreal Rocha, served as a foster grandparent. I'm curious if any of the other children were interviewed or if parents of the other children were notified?

-- Posted by born-n-raised on Mon, Aug 16, 2010, at 6:05 PM

People are way too sensitive anymore. Is this teacher in a kids face yelling shut up or are they standing in front of the class saying "Alright, let's shut up now." Where is there disrespect in that? What is the difference between "shut up" and "be quiet?" Yelled at the top of my lungs over 50-80 uncooperative voices? I can guarantee you I can say something a lot nicer and still "disrespect" you more.

As a band member pointed out, it didn't sound like many of those that left were paying much "respect" to classmates or teachers anyway. If you don't give full effort you are "disrespecting" them. Yes a teacher must watch how they talk to kids, but for those that are playing the disrespect card, give us the solution for calming down children who have been told to "be quiet" and "pay attention" day after day with no luck. Send them to the office? Doesn't work that way anymore. So you same people can claim that the teacher has gone too far. Let's face it-parents have sucked all authority out of teachers hands. Administrators have to be on edge at all times because you people that feel "disrespected" everytime someone raises their voice at you are on the lookout to always raise hell.

How about we do this? Parents-teach your kid to be respectful at all times to their teachers. Don't worry about the other kids in class. Just your own. Don't just assume that they are being respectful and quit believing every little thing they say. I will guarantee that over 75% of children "disrespect" some portion of the classroom rules. It happens! They are teenagers. But one of the biggest problems in school is disruptive students. Even the best of kids gets caught up in this sometimes.

In the end, I think we just need to look back at a band members comments since they are the only one's who seem to really know what has been going on. If this band director is so "evil," then why did the other half stay?

-- Posted by a realist on Mon, Aug 16, 2010, at 5:37 PM

I can say that I always had a healthy respect and fear of authority as a child in school and I'm glad that I did as it has served me well later in life.

The few times that I did get in trouble, although fairly minor offenses, my parents knew all about it before I even got home and they backed up the teachers and administrators. I can tell you that combination of authority went a long way to ensure that I didn't commit the same infraction again.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Mon, Aug 16, 2010, at 4:10 PM

Blaming the child for an instructor's lack of professionalism is a simple, yet narcissist solution. (Who would've thought?)

Additionally, noting *assumed* differences of maturity and/or respect for elders, only lends credence to your intention for broadening the generation gap (Back when I was a child, we used to walk 7 miles to school, in 10 feet of snow, without shoes!). Speaking of assumptions, and in knowing that 1 in 3 Mexican immigrants are illegal, it could be *assumed* that the proposed lack of respect derives from the current influx of immigrants, the influence they may or may not have on other members in society, and their desire for not being assimilated. (See there? I can talk out of my buttocks also!)

Eric, although non-profitable, and possibly not related to meeting the personal desires of certain genres of music, there are organizations whose involve today's youth in music. I'm sure there are numerous individuals in the Marshall community, who are willing to teach our children to sing "Kum-ba-yah," and/or "La Bamba."

http://littlekidsrock.org/index.html

-- Posted by One Good Eye on Mon, Aug 16, 2010, at 3:39 PM

Very good music12345. Everyone should re-read your post--it is exactly right.

-- Posted by mu-grad on Mon, Aug 16, 2010, at 2:54 PM

I read with interest your comments regarding disruptive school behaviour. My son has just come over from England to attend missouri valley college and I can assure you that if I caught my son out - even at 19 years of age - arguing with teachers I would be on the first plane out to address his behaviour !! We have the same problem over here in our schools/colleges. Parents dont seem to want to bother installing manners in their children anymore - perhaps thats were its all going wrong

-- Posted by englishmum on Mon, Aug 16, 2010, at 11:49 AM

I agree that "Shut up" should never be used in a classroom setting, by anyone, at any time.

HOWEVER - I've seen plenty of scenarios where I would be tempted to do just that. I agree that many students today are much more disrespectful that I would ever have dreamed of being, particularly in a setting where a new teacher is in place.

Our local band teacher gains the students attention by shouting "Hey Band!" to which they answer in unison "Hey what?" This gets their attention, gives them an opportunity to respond that they are listening, and then gives the band teacher a quiet moment to tell them what they need to hear. Are there still kids talking? Sure. But the majority key in on what she's saying and listen.

-- Posted by koeller77 on Mon, Aug 16, 2010, at 11:31 AM

First off let's start this off with I am 51 years old moved to Marshall at the age of 14 so I have been around here for some time.

I can remember when Marshall had a marching band to be very proud of the number of kids was above 100 easy and they did not do the same program for the whole season, one of my younger brothers was one of the drum majors so I know what it took as far as time and comment.

In my opinion as I see it is a lot of our kids are lazy and they don't like being told what to do and how to do it, I have seen a lot of young kids at many places around town talking back to their parents screaming at their parents that they want this or that and because we have been told not to disapline our kids except with time out by our so called government they end up getting it to get them to be quiet.

Myself I think we as parents need to take back the raising of our children, now I am not saying beat your kids but a firm hand on the bottom never hurt a kid, I know for a fact it did not hurt me or mine and I can tell you this I got a bunch!

To froom as far as championships at MHS one thing a lot of people don't get is we are not compeating in a small class any more lets take a look at football when we competed for championships we played in class 3 we was one of the biggest schools in class 3 but now we are in class 4 and one of the smaller schools in the class here are the class 4 numbers 569 -- 1174 we have 826 and if you think about it we did not have but just a hand full of championships anyway.

In my opinion we have let our kids become lazy look around during the summer you just don't see the kids outside playing like you did back even 20 years ago.

Here is another thing if your kids would be quiet in class and respect the teachers then just maybe they would not have to yell at them to shut up.

For you teachers that have to yell at the kids in your class room here is an idea for you tell them one time and one time only to quiet down and if they don't send them to the office I bet after a couple of times they will be quiet when you ask!

-- Posted by Gal66 on Mon, Aug 16, 2010, at 8:21 AM

Yes, I remember those days at the football field on Friday nights. The band, drill team, football team, the excited crowd were all there. Remember, also, being at school early-no excuses; practicing because you were supposed to-no excuses; learning a new routine every week and being there when you were supposed to practice-no excuses; listening to your coaches because they were the coach and you wanted to show your best-no excuses. People knew there was no "I" in team automatically; they didn't have to be told or reminded on a t-shirt. Students were going to school with a background of manners, respect, attentiveness, and a willingness to learn and not to totally interfere with the learning of others. When one went to school, you were respectful of the teachers, you were committed to what you were doing, and most knew that if they got into trouble at school, it would be worse at home.

Times have changed. Students begin their school careers having no background in structure and discipline from their parents. They have been allowed to do whatever they want to do. (Sorry to those of you who do take your parenting duties seriously.) This continues through their school years and way too much time is spent on student behavior that is off task when the time should be spent on learning. Told to come in early to practice- excuses; told to do something a different way- the teacher doesn't like me; stay late- I can't; sit on the bench- you can't do that to my kid;

The excuses go on and on.

Back then, students did the activities they did because they wanted to do it, they enjoyed it, and they knew to participate in these activities they followed the coaches', teachers', or sponsors' rules. Today, many students don't have that same drive, determination, willingness to follow directions, or the respect for adult authorities that is needed to be successful in activities.

Want to hear the words "shut up." Go to Wal-Mart and listen to people talk to their kids.

-- Posted by music12345 on Sun, Aug 15, 2010, at 10:20 PM

Telling someone to "shut up" is disrespectful and rude in the extreme. It shouldn't be used in the classroom by ANYONE, and that includes the teacher. My parents wouldn't even allow my siblings and I to say it to each other. And that has nothing to do with "touchy-feely self-esteem-centered people." There's acceptable behavior and there's rudeness - and "shut up" is just rude.

-- Posted by Miss Marple on Sun, Aug 15, 2010, at 6:34 PM

daisygurl22,

You have a point & I'd agree that teachers shouldn't *have to* yell at students or tell them to shut up, and it's possible there are some verbally abusive teachers out there... That said, I can't imagine a teacher yelling "shut up" to a quiet, attentive group of kids. Why would they?

I know a lot of teachers, good teachers, and many of them are beyond frustration with the disruptive, disrespectful behavior of their students. If you are trying to teach 25 kids something and most of them are chatting and laughing and none of them are paying attention, what's a teacher to do? Wait 'em out? That could take a while. If some teachers bellow, it may be the best option they have.

What would you suggest as an alternative?

-- Posted by taxedpayer on Sun, Aug 15, 2010, at 5:06 PM

Momaster,

First, it is just plain rude to tell someone to shut up and second there is never a reason for a teacher to scream and yell to students.

daisygurl22

-- Posted by daisygurl22 on Sun, Aug 15, 2010, at 4:59 PM

Since when is telling someone to shut up such a bad thing? As long as its not connected to some four letter word! When I was a kid teachers would tell us to shut up if we ignored them and kept talking. My parents would tell me to shut up when I needed to shut up. My friends and i have been known to tell each other to shut up. The problem is we are raising kids to be such touchy-feely self-esteem-centered people. Get over it people!

-- Posted by momaster on Sun, Aug 15, 2010, at 2:11 PM

I don't understand why when we have 800 students in high school that we cannot have at least an 80 member band, (not including flag corps), we should be able to do this. Having had a sister in band many years ago i remember what a joy it was to listen to them and support them. Yes I am getting a little notalgic here but I enjoyed the drill team, the twirlers and all the good stuff we had, and a lot of towns were envious of us for having that support, I heard the comments. Having gone to football games, one of the big criticism's I have is that we have moved the band down to the end of the stadium, lets move them back to the center of the stadium WHERE WE CAN HEAR THEM, plus this will get the crowd more into the activities that the band does. I never have understood why the cheerleaders and band was moved we should be back where we originally should as most of the home crowd is more in the center, let the visitors go to the end of the stadium. This is what has been lacking the last couple years they are all down at the end and all the supporters are in the middle and we are not involved in the cheers and chants from the cheerleaders and band. How many people stand up and applaude the band when they are done, probably only the proud parents. I don't know what the answer is to the dwindling numbers but we have got to find it out and solve the problem before we become the first high school of our size without a marching band, come on people just like the town of Marshall is dying so is the band, unless we get more business's and students involved we may as well close up shop. One more thing is why does the flag corp have to have weird flags, lets get flags of the school colors are we proud of our school and athletes. I for one am. So administrators if you are reading this lets move everything back to the middle of the stadium so the crowd can get into it, with the crowd yelling with the cheerleaders and band we will motivate the players to work harder to bring us a victory. Yes I for one would like to bring football back to the respect we had throughout the state (and we were very respected), when we had all the championships and everything sometimes we would have more people at away games than the home team had, I FOR ONE WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE CHAMPIONSHIP BANNERS HANGING UP AT THE SCHOOL. So move everything back to the center and lets get the crowd more involved and excited again, it has just been so boring going to the games anymore, with this support the kids will see we are excited and maybe they will get more involved and maybe our numbers will grow. LETS MAKE SOME NOISE THIS YEAR AT THE GAMES. WHO ARE WE "WE ARE MARSHALL" AND LETS BE PROUD OF IT.

-- Posted by froom on Sun, Aug 15, 2010, at 12:15 AM

Ms. Koffman came to Bueker last year and seemed to be very strict and harsh. I must agree that the students should give her a chance but however, no matter how loud they are, it is not appropriate for a teacher of any subject to yell at their students to ,and I quote, "Shut Up"! I also do think that she could be a little bit more trustworthy of her students. I understand the concept of the practice logs but if a child (who happens to be an honor student)says that they turned them in and she KNOWS that they were turned in, she should not take credit off their grades. It is completely unfair. Take it from me. My child had experienced this first hand.

I played an instrument in school for 10 years. Music takes willingness, discipline, dedication and hard work. It is not an easy credit. It can be very rewarding and satisfying for a dedicated student, trust me school musicians deserve our support. And so do the teachers!

-- Posted by farmer'sgranddaughter on Sat, Aug 14, 2010, at 10:11 PM

No, you don't need a study hall to get all your homework done but if you have trouble with a particular area you can get assistance in the study hall. Also, if you play volleyball, have piano lessons and are on a swim team the time at home is limited....so the extra time at school is a lifesaver.

-- Posted by speedfingers on Sat, Aug 14, 2010, at 3:36 PM

speedfingers

If I read your post right you said your kid is droping both band and orchestra because they dont have a study period. A study period? I thought studying is what they were supposed to do at home? I think no one should have a studyhall. There are no study halls at the high school so your kid better get used to that fast.

-- Posted by momaster on Sat, Aug 14, 2010, at 12:35 PM

Being in the Band can be FUN but you also need dedication, heart, discipline, and a willingness to learn.

Give Mrs. Kuffman a chance, please. She hasn't been here long enough to make a difference yet.

I was impressed with the Pep Band at the basketball games last year. The kids sounded great and they looked like they were having fun! Isn't that what it is all about, learning and having fun?

I only saw a couple of performances at the football games. Marching is a whole different thing. Now you need coordination along with the things I listed above.

The concert season was a success last year with the band receiving excellent ratings at contest.

The numbers will come back! Give her and the students time to get to know each other. It will be fun to watch!

-- Posted by walkingblind on Fri, Aug 13, 2010, at 11:03 PM

Sorry. In an earlier post, I said they needed 28. I meant to say that if they took 7 credits every year without summer school classes, that would give them the possibility of 28 credits. Needing 25 is the correct amount and your requirements are correct. The point being by us both is that times have changed and requirements have changed making it more difficult for students. Many go to summer school to pick up classes such as PE, personal finance, and health. Some very careful planning has to be done to get the requirements and still do classes that you want to take.

-- Posted by music12345 on Fri, Aug 13, 2010, at 3:26 PM

The band members have paid for the cleaning of their uniform for as long as I can remember. It was usually explained at the beginnng of the year and at MOBB (Marshall Owls Band Booster) meetings. Having been a MOBB parent in the past I can tell you that out of a band of 50-60 kids, we usually had fewer than 20 parents at most meetings even though parents were notified.

In order for students to graduate they need 4 English, 3 Social Studies, 3 Science, 3 Math, 1/2 yr Personal finance, 1/2 year Health 1 PE, 1 Practical Art and 1 fine art, Since MU requires 2 years foreign language, most take that too. (No they don't need 28 credits to graduate)They need 25. The above requirements totals almost 20. It is not until the senior year that students have any wiggle room. Something has to give and unfortunately it is usually the fine arts. The schedule forces kids to limit themselves. Add on to that students and parents who have been so narrowly focused on one career goal since elementary school, that any class deemed "unneeded" is dropped. It gets even worse if it isn't "easy enough" to pad the GPA That is also why band numbers are down.

-- Posted by inthemiddle on Fri, Aug 13, 2010, at 2:50 PM

speedfingers,

I agree. The kids should behave better so the director doesn't have to shout.

-- Posted by taxedpayer on Fri, Aug 13, 2010, at 7:51 AM

I have a middle-school student who has decided to quit both band and orchestra due to not having a study period if she takes both classes. Her only comment about the band director is she yells all the time, probably from lack of experience and not being able to control the kids. I don't think any teacher should yell "shut up" to get kids quiet.

-- Posted by speedfingers on Fri, Aug 13, 2010, at 7:31 AM

band member - Keep on doing what your doing! You're obviously a devoted band member, committed to music. Whether you letter or not, you will always know that you saw it through, rather than quitting. Music rocks!

-- Posted by koeller77 on Fri, Aug 13, 2010, at 7:22 AM

I think band member's got it right. Anybody who's in band for the letter has got the cart before the horse. The letter is recognition of hard work and achievement, not the purpose of participation. The purpose is to play and learn and entertain!

-- Posted by taxedpayer on Fri, Aug 13, 2010, at 7:09 AM

band member

Yep mate...its all a matter of practice, practice, practice....then more practice (I am a solo violinist...trust me, I understand lol).

Committed members of the band make a big difference.

Good luck to you all!

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Aug 13, 2010, at 4:37 AM

Those of you that are talking about how the band has no leadership, you should have been there for the camp. We're doing a lot better now then we were doing in the past few years. I personally think it's because of those who dropped out. They weren't willing to put in the effort to make us good, so we weren't good. Now that they're gone, the only people left are the ones that actually want to make something of the band. To those that say that the lettering is hard, trust me, its not as hard as you think it is. I've gotten it every year even while balancing schoolwork. The people who quit because of the lettering were too afraid to put some effort into it. If they didn't letter then that's their fault... don't blame Koffman. When she started, people were complaining of doing the work. It's laziness. I've been to everything for band be it camp, concerts, rehearsals, or just to help set up. Doing band takes SELF INITIATIVE which obviously those that quit didn't have.

-- Posted by a band member on Fri, Aug 13, 2010, at 12:52 AM

Part of the problem with dwindling numbers of band students is leadership. After Mrs. Cavanaugh left there was no leadership for 2 years. My son was a senior in that time and was frustrated by the lack of any leadership in that period. Having listened to current students, a large number were quitting because they were being challenged to stop going through the motions and actually work. Rebuilding a program that had been allowed to deteriorate is not easy. I have also observed that part of the problem in this community is too many parents believe the kids when they say "The teacher/coach doesn't like me." Parents need to ask themselves if 8 teachers and or coaches "don't like" your kid, maybe there is a problem.

-- Posted by inthemiddle on Thu, Aug 12, 2010, at 6:20 PM

There are so many good parents and good kids who work hard and participate in activities-sports because they learn many lessons. Not everyone should letter. Not everyone should be rewarded for just showing up. Just like the world-you know which job will take more work--and maybe without much glory. Most coaches-sponsors should be applauded for having high standards. But often are criticized. Part of the problem with participation numbers at Marshall HS is the client base. 25 percent special services, 25 percent non-english speaking, 25 percent umemployed (and not looking). Just a culture of take, everything should be free, it's not my fault...

-- Posted by mu-grad on Thu, Aug 12, 2010, at 5:02 PM

I do know that the uniforms were cleaned at the end of the year. However, I'm not sure that it should be the school's responsibility to keep them cleaned. Students should take responsibility to hang them up, keep the dirt off them, etc. and if something happens then have them cleaned. In sports, uniforms are issued and coaches expect their players to look their best with clean uniforms when they play a game. I don't believe that coaches collect uniforms and clean them for the players. They provide the uniforms and players are expected to do the rest. Sometimes people need to think about the responsibilities entailed in being a parent and a student.

-- Posted by music12345 on Thu, Aug 12, 2010, at 2:55 PM

Dear Koeller77, The issue of lettering in band was just the last of several issues we had during our child's first year in MHS Band. So, you might say it was last straw. We had many other issues, as did many of the parents of children involved in sports.

Dear Music 12345, I'm sure the band uniforms are cleaned by the school at some point. Student's were asked to have their uniforms dry cleaned mid year, before contest. At no time was my student or myself told that the school would pay for this.

-- Posted by Living Amazed on Thu, Aug 12, 2010, at 1:31 PM

Living Amazed - I don't know the requirements for getting a letter, but I do know that many schools don't even offer a letter in music. Our high school seniors require you to participate in music all 4 years before you can get a letter, among other requirements.

I guess I would be concerned that if the reason a student quit band was because they didn't get a letter, is that really the right reason?

-- Posted by koeller77 on Thu, Aug 12, 2010, at 1:08 PM

Though I do not know about lettering policy, I do know that band uniforms are checked out to students, and they are their responsibility to take care of, just as sports uniforms are handed out and students are expected to take care of them, wash them as needed (which is probably a lot), and return them. Band uniforms are cleaned at the end of the year after everything is over at no expense to the parents.

-- Posted by music12345 on Thu, Aug 12, 2010, at 12:47 PM

I agree that the lack of members in the MHS Band is a very sad. When I was in high school the MHS Band was huge, and were great to watch. However, I am one parent that allowed their child to quit the band this year, as are many of my friends. The reason, I allowed this was many. Mostly, because of changes the band instructor made regarding the requirements to letter in band. I find it totally out of line that if a student attended the summer band camp before school, attended all football games, basketball games, band days, marching engagements, concerts, group contest, and practiced before school in the rain, and yet still, that is NOT enough to letter in band. There were many first and second chair students that lettered all previous years and did not last year. As a result, some of those students chose to quit. I don't blame them. The requirements were changed by the instructor, making it very difficult to letter, even after spending huge amounts of time doing required band activities. Then to add insult to injury... please have your band uniform dried cleaned at your own expense!!!

-- Posted by Living Amazed on Thu, Aug 12, 2010, at 9:50 AM

THE PAPER REPORTED THE TRAIN THAT HIT MR. NORRIS WAS GOING EAST BOUND BUT HOW DID IT HIT HIM IN THE DRIVERS SIDE , HE WAS HIT ON ENGLISH ST. CROSSING AND THE TRAIN GOT STOPPED BEHIND CHARLIES APP.

WAS IT BACKING UP OR GOING FORWARD????

SOMETHING JUST DOES'T MAKE SENSE PLEASE CLARIFY

-- Posted by buttons on Thu, Aug 12, 2010, at 9:20 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
The train was westbound according to the Highway Patrol report. Story has been fixed.

Any info. on the wreck Wednesday afternoon on south 65hwy?

-- Posted by yomomma on Thu, Aug 12, 2010, at 7:42 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
We sent a reporter down there. Apparently it was a relatively minor accident.

For those of you in the Marshall area who are of the Muslim faith, I wish you all a most happy Ramadan!!

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Aug 12, 2010, at 1:58 AM

Music has been shown to enhance a student's memory and actually helps students perform better in school. In Marshall, we are extremely fortunate to have top notch Fine Arts programs, and I hope that the school district continues to support these programs. Other school districts have not been so fortunate. Band, as is any music program, or a sport for that matter, is a committment. Learning a musical instrument, or to improve in anything for that matter, such as pitching, kicking, passing, batting, or other sports skills, takes committment and perserverence, and lots of practice. Success does not happen overnight, but builds. However, music can be a lifelong activity, and if you follow Marshall's musical activities, you will see that people involved in Philharmonic Orchestra, Municipal Band, or the Marshall Community Choir, participate for many years in their adult lives. It is something that people enjoy and continue. Some of you may not understand how the rigors of high school credits have changed. Students must have 28 credits to graduate and of those, I believe that 17 of them are required credits that they must take. That gives 11 credits left over during a student's 4 years to play with. If you are going to the Saline County Career Center, taking Dual Credit college classes, trying to take as many weighted classes as possible to improve your GPA or because those are classes you like, or just trying to take a class because it's something you are interested in and want to take creates some scheduling conflicts. Some of these young people do like music, but they are not going to continue studying it in college so you can guess the result. Some don't want to give up Saturdays, some get a job and that becomes the emphasis, sometimes scheduling conflicts with other classes that students want to take and makes them have to decide which they want to do. Playing a musical instrument is not cheap and during this current economy, some may not see any way to be able to rent or purchase an instrument. However, there are ways to try, such as looking for used instruments and beginning student instruments are not nearly as expensive. However, it is something that might just be worth giving it a try and something your student may continue for life. As with anything, hard work, committment, and perserverence pay off in this. This includes anything that students try to do. However, many young people do not have those needed skills, and it shows in many areas. Society does not have that "stick to it" drive that used to keep many going even if it was something that was boring or got old after doing it over and over. Instead instant gratification and "what's in it for me" have become the importance. For many, life is like a TV remote, if it is dull or boring or doesn't give them instant gratification, then move on to the next channel. Please support your young people in whatever avenue they choose as they continue their education and the activities they are involved in, and let's support all of our young people and those involved with working with them as we begin a new school year.

-- Posted by music12345 on Wed, Aug 11, 2010, at 11:23 PM

Re 911. Well Help Us All I had not heard all of that info. I think people, including myself, need to find out when the next board meeting is and start asking questions. We shouldn't just be sitting around wondering what is going on will our tax money. We should be getting answers.

-- Posted by aristicat22 on Wed, Aug 11, 2010, at 8:23 PM

I not talking about the reports. I am talking about the list of everytime they get a call. There is no real information there.

-- Posted by theobserver on Wed, Aug 11, 2010, at 5:43 PM

Police reports should be in the paper. What would not printing them accomplish? I can tell you if I am standing next to a snake, by closing my eyes; it doesn't reduce the possibility that I would get bit.

-- Posted by litlmissme on Wed, Aug 11, 2010, at 5:34 PM

Does anyone think it is silly that the paper is putting all the police calls in the paper? I think it is a waste of space. There has to be something else of value to replace that.

-- Posted by theobserver on Wed, Aug 11, 2010, at 4:15 PM

litlmissme - I agree with you there! It's expensive to rent or buy an instrument, and with budgets being constantly cut, it's certainly near impossible for schools to purchase the instruments to be loaned out.

I also agree with the fundraisers...my daughter is only going into 1st grade, and for the last two years (4K & 5K), we have been inundated already with fundraising "opportunities." I can only imagine it will get worse as she gets older!

-- Posted by koeller77 on Wed, Aug 11, 2010, at 3:51 PM

The economy may have something to do with band participation. It is hard to justify paying for a band instrument when struggling to pay bills.

The "hidden" costs involved with some of the groups are rediculous. FFA, in particular was always good for a dollar here and a dollar there.

My most favorite are the fund raisers! If your kid doesn't sell they are "punished" by not being involved in a party.

My oldest kid started school and I decided I didn't want or need any of the junk that was for sale so I donated $20.00 to the school. I was horrified to learn she was made to set in the principals office while the party went on....what an awful thing to have happen.

I disprise feeling held hostage to buy things I don't want to buy when the school gets so little of the proceeds. It seems like such a waste.

-- Posted by litlmissme on Wed, Aug 11, 2010, at 2:49 PM

re 911

reorganize?

back to square one?

back to the drawing board?

start from scratch?

what if?

zeke

-- Posted by zeke on Wed, Aug 11, 2010, at 2:09 PM

In regards to Saline Co. 911: Maybe it's the 12 hour shifts 6 days a week. Or maybe it's the changing of insurance companies so often, sometimes with no notice other than getting a new card in the mail, that they don't know what is current. Or maybe it's the changing of policies/procedures weekly or even sometimes daily. Or maybe that they are not allowed to take vacation as there is no procedure for it, not even before becoming short handed, other than finding someone willing to trade shifts.

But hey the pay is good. The thousands of dollars being wasted weekly in overtime pay should help a little.

-- Posted by help us all on Wed, Aug 11, 2010, at 1:48 PM

In regards to band participation, another issue may be conflicts with other activities. At our high school, band is supposed to take precedence over athletic activities without penalty to the student athlete. But if you miss a practice, game, or scrimmage due to a band commitment, you are likely to find yourself not in the starting lineup, or playing at all in the next game.

-- Posted by koeller77 on Wed, Aug 11, 2010, at 1:14 PM

does anyone know what is going on at Saline Co. 911? From what I've heard another dispatcher is no longer there. Thats makes 1 director fired, 2 dispatchers fired, 1 supervisor demoted, 2 dispatchers have quit and several more are looking for new jobs (in less then a year). It looks like we are spending a lot of our tax money on a 911 center that will have no employees. Either the 911 administration does not hire quailified people or the administration is unqualified to be running the 911 center.

-- Posted by aristicat22 on Wed, Aug 11, 2010, at 11:47 AM

MHS Band is usually first hour. It is good for one credit. The State requires more credits to graduate now. Perhaps, through necessity, students are opting for a first hour class that has more credits. This may be another factor in the decrease in participation in marching band. I know one musically inclined young lady that is not participating for this very reason.

-- Posted by red dog on Wed, Aug 11, 2010, at 7:46 AM

I agree. When kids are continually dropping out of sports/activities that they love, it is usually due to leadership issues. Sadly, it seems to be happening way too much lately.

-- Posted by ALM on Tue, Aug 10, 2010, at 9:54 PM

I read with great interest the unique perspective of Daisy Fisher in her letter to the editor published 8/10/2010, "Local woman despairs over dwindling numbers from MHS at band camp". I understand and concur with her despair, but I believe her question "Is it because the young people just don't want to work hard or is it because they don't care?" is simply ridiculous. Any time you have a mass exodus from a high school program, such as band, orchestra, chorale, football, wrestling, etc... look VERY closely at the leadership. Perhaps an alternative question would be, "What is that band leader doing to drive students that love band, away from the program?" When any organization sees a 50% decrease in size in one year, "LOOK AT THE LEADERSHIP...OR THE LACK THERE OF!!!"

-- Posted by Who on Tue, Aug 10, 2010, at 9:06 PM

Marshall Dance Connection- Robin Christy- 660-815-7997

-- Posted by living4theOne on Mon, Aug 9, 2010, at 11:55 AM

I think what Eric is saying is that this is a fledgling idea, so don't get up in arms about any ideas that come from this group just yet.

All ready there are negative comments and people wanting to take this idea to Warrensburg. I don't think that is the intent of this group. I think this group is about doing things in Marshall that will bring people to Marshall not some other town. Why would they want to give this idea to CMSU and Warrensburg. MVC does a Jazz Fest/competition each Spring. Why not build on that one and help MVC make theirs bigger and better?

I would like to see what the possibility is of this group doing more then just a Jazz Fest. There are so many things that are going on that could use help OR maybe new ideas to work on.

Anything to bring FUN, PRIDE and MONEY into Marshall.

-- Posted by walkingblind on Mon, Aug 9, 2010, at 9:40 AM

Where do I go to enroll my daughters in Marshall Dance Connection? Does anyone know how much it cost monthly? Do they have a website?

-- Posted by LilSis on Sun, Aug 8, 2010, at 11:10 PM

Jazz fest... I think that is a cool idea. I dont see anything wrong with doing it with a mix of all types. I think the competition thing would take away from the entertaiment value and create more rules to abide by that would just cause more headaches.

I think with a little searching, you could find local groups... local meaning in the Mid West. I bet some high school jazz bands would like a chance to just play some where for fun. I dont think that there are rules that are mandatory except for competition type events for high school, with the exception being summer time rules for the amount of time they can spend with their director. I know that high school students participate in community events quite often in various towns in Missouri. They just might have to do it without the band director and with parents instead... I could be wrong. I know with softball the girls could play summer league all they wanted, just not with their school coach

If you had the mix of high school, college, and Amatuers and pros if you could get them it would be entertainmen for all and a great experience for the students.

-- Posted by mrxray on Sun, Aug 8, 2010, at 1:21 AM

Litlmissme: Ah the glory of having a government that provides all things for all people... they can tax you at any rate, ***** your property at any rate and even take away your property if they so desire.. Got to love our BIG GOVERNMENT Way to go Progressivism

-- Posted by mrxray on Sun, Aug 8, 2010, at 1:15 AM

Good points momaster & WTF. I expect there will be interesting challenges no matter which direction we go & the complication of competition rules is one. Don't know much about them, myself, but I'm willing to learn.

The dent they might put in the joy of performance does give me pause.

Cool thing about where we're at now: Ain't much set in stone. Let's keep talking...

-- Posted by Eric Crump on Sat, Aug 7, 2010, at 11:24 PM

Bob James is actually in KC tonight performing.....

-- Posted by speedfingers on Sat, Aug 7, 2010, at 9:01 PM

Momaster,

I agree. It's no different than what they are currently doing at CMSU in Warrensburg.

If Bob James would be personally involved it still might be something viable but not really any different. They may as well just ask him to come to the one in Warrensburg instead re-inveting the wheel here in town.

It would exclude amateur and pro/am musicians from participating. Would there still be workshops? I've been in competetive performances before and it really takes the fun out of it.

So much for Budweiser as a sponsor.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Sat, Aug 7, 2010, at 8:18 PM

A festival for high school and college age generally means competitive. It would be a whole lot easier to just have a jazz festival and see if you could get some pro groups who would be interested in giving concerts. Performances for the love of it instead of competition. If you make it a competitive festival then you have to run it through MSHSAA and follow their rules. If they don't sanction it the schools won't want to participate and jeporadize their standing with MSHSAA.

-- Posted by momaster on Sat, Aug 7, 2010, at 7:48 PM

Thanks movaldude, but to be fair, David Kemm has been lobbying for a Bob James jazz festival for some time, and WTF most recently brought the idea forth. I think it's the right time to make it happen!

-- Posted by Eric Crump on Sat, Aug 7, 2010, at 7:26 PM

I keep saying "jazz bands" but of course that's just habit. Singers, too! We've got a lot of vocal talent in this community and I'd be for making sure this event gives them chance to showcase their work.

-- Posted by Eric Crump on Sat, Aug 7, 2010, at 7:23 PM

I really like the idea of the High School or College Music/Jazz Band Festival is a great idea. If we could get Bob James to come every year lets name if after him. The Bob James Jazz Festival for Kids and Young adults. We could make sure the professional performers would give a bit of their time instructing the kids and then let the kids perform with them in concert. We could also tie this in with the Bear Creek Blues Festival.

Too cool when do tickets go on sale!

Great Idea Eric!

-- Posted by movaldude on Sat, Aug 7, 2010, at 5:30 PM

Why? Well, I think it would be fun, interesting, educational, entertaining and enriching. Goes without saying it would be a lot of work, too. We haven't checked *yet* with community music leaders about the idea because we just had it Thursday. But we will check with them. And if any of them are reading this, they are welcome to weigh in on the subject. Or attend the next meeting. Or both.

momaster, if not interested in a high school/college jazz band festival, what would you suggest?

-- Posted by Eric Crump on Sat, Aug 7, 2010, at 5:00 PM

A high school jazz festival? Why would we be hosting a high school jazz festival? "With its heritage of community music and music education". Have you discussed this with any of the community music leaders or the school instructors to get their take?

-- Posted by momaster on Sat, Aug 7, 2010, at 4:53 PM

WTF,

I'm still working on a meeting summary (working on painting my house, too, which cuts into more important things, like this). Hope to have it posted this weekend.

The short version: We left thinking about doing a high school/college jazz fest/competition rather than a big entertainment festival. Seemed to be a better fit for the town, which its heritage of community music and music education.

When I talked to Bob James, he seemed very interested in that type of event, one that would showcase and encourage young talent.

Still a million or so details to discuss, so we're hoping more people will join the effort as we go.

Next meeting is Friday at 6:30 p.m., location TBA.

-- Posted by Eric Crump on Sat, Aug 7, 2010, at 3:36 PM

Eric,

I'm sorry that I wasn't at the meeting thursday but weeknights are very busy for me. I am looking forward to any new info you might have regarding a possible festival.

I have a few other ideas that I can share with you once I know which direction if any it may take. I could submit them to you to share with others in the discussion.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Sat, Aug 7, 2010, at 10:14 AM

Well said Mrxray. We have opened Pandora's box far too often in recent years.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Aug 6, 2010, at 7:58 PM

Electronic voting, be it machines in a polling place or an online format can be tampered with. it would be worse with online due to the rampant desire to "hack" anything, particularly people with the know how who oppose some other group of people.

Even the machines in the polling places have had problems with the software that someone 'tweaked' to count votes where a portion of the votes for one person were credited to another, for example.

-- Posted by mrxray on Fri, Aug 6, 2010, at 6:20 PM

Cool,

I'd be interested to hear your report.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, Aug 6, 2010, at 2:29 PM

Eric,

Inquiring minds want to know. Did you do the phone interview with Bob James this morning? If so,did you broach the subject of a jazz festival with him?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, Aug 6, 2010, at 1:03 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Yes to both. Plan to post more later...

While I'm awaiting the report describing the bountiful delights offered at the ice cream social, along with the outcome of the 6:30 jazz festival exploratory gathering, I'll be perusing the photos in the other links listed after photo no. 70, the Texas carbon black worker. I discovered those links beget other links to scads of pictures!

Like a June bug, I am! :)

-- Posted by Slater on Thu, Aug 5, 2010, at 6:57 PM

Reminder: Tonight is the initial meeting to explore the idea of creating a jazz festival in Marshall. Everyone who loves jazz and/or loves Marshall is invited to attend. The Municipal Band's ice cream social starts at 6 p.m. on the square. The meeting is at 6:30 p.m. just down the street at the library in the meeting room. Ice cream before. Band concert after.

-- Posted by Eric Crump on Thu, Aug 5, 2010, at 8:29 AM

The remember the Shasta Dam! We live in Mt.Shasta from 1945 to 1947. I was 11 when we moved backed to Marshall. Great Pictures Slater Thanks for sharing!

-- Posted by Jo on Thu, Aug 5, 2010, at 12:40 AM

Slater we just finished looking at the photos. I was born in Nov. 1940 so it was a great look at times I saw, but can't recall. Thanks

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Aug 4, 2010, at 10:49 PM

Slater,

Great pix! Thanks for the link.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Aug 4, 2010, at 10:42 PM

Eric, BNB, I'm pleased that you enjoyed the photos, and I add my thanks to the person who made them available for all of us.

I was born during that time period, so it's more meaningful to me than it would be to some, but one point of interest for me is that the photos can help us see just how far we've come in the past 70 years.

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, Aug 4, 2010, at 10:09 PM

Slater my whole family gathered around the computer to look at those pictures. They were absolutely awesome! Thank you so much for finding them and sharing them with us.

-- Posted by broke-n-busted on Wed, Aug 4, 2010, at 9:15 PM

Every American is entitled to vote from, 6:00 PM Friday, Saturday, Sunday, & Monday till 6:30 Pm with Paper Ballots) This can not be rushed through.(Public Financing only) should be the funding! Limits of (2 terms) for all,no (Lobbying for 15 years,and only 1 term!) The Presidency is determined( buy the People) as long as he wants too run, and as long as the people want him ,determined by the Election every (5 year by Paper Ballot)!Any negative comments in Advertisements will be subject to Law suite! No double talking, straight talk. Any news Media Reports will be subject to the same! Cut some of the Representatives! 1 per state. Cut aid to other Nations until our debt is Paid! Not impossible too do? Cut the War fund all together and be very tough on awarding Funds in any emergency! Cut Federal Judges by a Third.There is never any cuts in this area? There is other things, but too lengthy to mention? They always want to cut the little guys job, these other cuts will save much more?

Government Retirements & Pay are way too high, but we the People have no say about that, there has to be some input ,( from the People) about their pay and their benefits? They are Employees,nothing else!!!

-- Posted by Jo on Wed, Aug 4, 2010, at 8:40 PM

alphadog,

Your're right about those quarter machines.

We wouldn't want that cutting into state sponsored lottery gambling now would we? I remember when this was a free country.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Aug 4, 2010, at 8:00 PM

Wow! Thanks Slater.

-- Posted by Eric Crump on Wed, Aug 4, 2010, at 7:53 PM

This look at Americana between 1939 and 1943 might interest some of you:

http://blogs.denverpost.com/captured/201...

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, Aug 4, 2010, at 7:20 PM

cosa,

Since I'm the only one who used the word apathy in a recent post, it seems your last post was addressed to me.

I wasn't trying to join the conversation about electronic options. I was talking to john henry about voting in general.

-- Posted by Amy Crump on Wed, Aug 4, 2010, at 6:05 PM

ERIC,

AWESOME video of Messy Night. Thanks for covering these community events!

-- Posted by get a clue on Wed, Aug 4, 2010, at 6:00 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Thanks! It's sure a fun event to cover.

Missouri State violation; possession of a gambling device. They have been in Marshall for a while. MPD hint, hint. Hope you recognize when a bone is thrown your way? See below.

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/money/c...

-- Posted by alphadog on Wed, Aug 4, 2010, at 5:36 PM

I'm glad some found the humor I intended in the request to rename the newspaper.

Nonny

-- Posted by Nonnymus on Wed, Aug 4, 2010, at 1:22 PM

Anything more on IF the movie theater has been purchased OR if we are going to get a new theater???

Eric - is the organizational meeting for events in Marshall still on for Thrusday evening at 6:30?

Inquiring minds need to know

-- Posted by walkingblind on Wed, Aug 4, 2010, at 8:42 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Pat confirmed that a local family has a contract on Marshall Cinema. We'll have a story later this morning.

The meeting is still on. Thursday at 6:30 p.m. in the library (where it's cool!).

I'll have a notice in the paper today and on the web soon.

what's in a name?

in fact - if i remember correctly - the name The Marshall Democrat-News is a combination name formed by the merger of a couple of newspapers years ago.

maybe some of the staff could elaborate ????

anyway you look at it - it's just a name.

some think the Marshall paper actually leans to the right more than the left - or at least it seemed to some that it did for a few years in the recent past.

sometimes it's not the name - such as Democrat or Republican - that's a joke..

in many instances, it's the fact that some papers use the word "news" that is laughable.

just mho

zeke

-- Posted by zeke on Wed, Aug 4, 2010, at 8:10 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Here's a recent story briefly recounting the paper's history:

http://www.marshallnews.com/story/159437...

More at www.marshallnews.com/topic/mdn130

The paper these days is nonpartisan in its news coverage and does not issue editorial opinions.

john henry,

We agree on something! People need to get out and vote every time there's an election. Apathy is unacceptable.

-- Posted by Amy Crump on Wed, Aug 4, 2010, at 6:55 AM

Nonnymus,

Are you serious? You act like the name is

"Abortion Weekly" or something just as vile.

If you are that worried about your neighbors and what "they" might think then maye it's time to move.

Mortal Fear? Really? Have we as a nation become that polarized? Your comment says alot more about you and your neighbors that it does about the name of this paper.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Aug 4, 2010, at 6:54 AM

Hey nonny nonny. Although you would likely be pleased with a new name for the local paper, say... "The American Standard", or "Marshall Family Values News"...ain't gonna happen. The name has a long heritage.

However I appreciate your dilemma. Have you thought about just brazening your way through the situation when your conservative friends, and neighbors in your enclave read your mail, or peek over your shoulder to see what web sites you visit? Just tell them you are looking for subversives to report to the F. B. I. It might even bring some new readers to the dear old "Marshall -------- News".

;-)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Aug 4, 2010, at 12:47 AM

Has there ever been any thought given to changing the name of the Marshall democrat News to something more palatable, such as The Marshall News? When my son was at Valley, I had a paper subscription and lived in mortal fear my neighbors would see the "democrat" part of the masthead in my mailbox and think I was a democrat or at least a sympathizer. Now, I have a tab on my browser for the paper and feel it necessary to cover it with my hand when neighbors visit me in my office. I'm considering using whiteout on the computer screen.

A simple change of the name to something more socially acceptable would be appreciated, would surely expand subscriptions and would prevent embarrassment for those of us who love the paper, but dislike the name.

Nonny

-- Posted by Nonnymus on Tue, Aug 3, 2010, at 11:25 PM

Hey Slater,

You have my vote. NanaDot as VP? The common sense ticket. Interesting David Stockman's switcheroo from his days at Reagan's side.

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Tue, Aug 3, 2010, at 8:20 PM

Valid points, CN.

When I become president, we'll do like Oregon and do it by mail some efficient means (electronic? don't know, since it seems to be "error prone").

Add an incentive for voting, like a tax credit, or some kind of reward. (Good old behavior mod!)

-- Posted by Slater on Tue, Aug 3, 2010, at 7:56 PM

I was told that someone made the decision to tar and oil Miami Street in front of the Catholic Church (a election poll site) on election day and also on the hottest day of the year? I did not see this myself. Why did the city feel it necessary to do this road repair today? This probably made a lot of people turn around and go home or on to work instead of voting.

Eric, If I wrote what I was really thinking you would delete my comments.

-- Posted by pennypincher1 on Tue, Aug 3, 2010, at 4:57 PM

Thanks for clarifying Eric- I read that wrong..

-- Posted by prd123 on Tue, Aug 3, 2010, at 10:56 AM

"The candidate responses are presented by race and party, in alphabetical order, without regard for incumbency status."

Well I don't know who or what office printed the ballots- but I learned another alphabet A-Z when I was in school...and what I have seen this morning on the ballots, is NOT in alphabetical order!

-- Posted by prd123 on Tue, Aug 3, 2010, at 8:45 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
We opted to publish candidate profiles in alphabetical order. That's not the system used by election officials to print ballots.

I heard that someone has bought the Marshall Cinema. (a doctors wife). Has anyone heard the rumor?

-- Posted by pennypincher1 on Mon, Aug 2, 2010, at 7:09 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
We've heard that and plan to find out more. Hope to have a story tomorrow.

LitlMiss,

The same methodology seems to be in place everywhere, and the same thinking prevails throughout the ranks.

I used to formally protest the annual assessment done by the county appraisal district here in San Antonio, but, aside from the correction to the record (the square footage was incorrect), every protest since then has been denied.

Our county says it determines the valuation by calculating a square-foot price based on sold properties in the area.

Our assessor has offset the decline in the real estate sale value by raising the value of the land on which the house sits. For example, after the housing bust, my house decreased in assessed value $12,420. while the ground it sits on increased $10,870.

I've examined the changes across the city and this is how the assessor keeps the tax dollars leveled out.

Here, the local property owner has two alternatives - file a formal protest and then try to make a case for equity, or that failing, sue the assessor and go to court, where a property owner has not won, ever, as far as I've been able to determine.

Ethical behavior? Why would they want to be fair when they can go about their business unencumbered?

-- Posted by Slater on Mon, Aug 2, 2010, at 5:11 PM

I would love to sell my home for it's assested value! I would like to know how they arrived at that figure! I would willingly give a guided tour and point out all of the "needs work" areas. We set an appointment and talked with them ....no sucess.

-- Posted by litlmissme on Mon, Aug 2, 2010, at 4:19 PM

Eric,

Thank you for the reminder. I have to admit that I forgot there was a political blog spot on here. I will be sure to keep my political discussions there from now on.

-- Posted by Amy Crump on Mon, Aug 2, 2010, at 11:28 AM

This is kind of an off the wall comment, but has anyone thought about the monetary windfall about to be visited on our county due to the reassesment that is currently underway?

It appears that everyone I know, myself included, is going to be paying about 25 to 35 percent more in property taxes in the near future. I fear that in normal fashion, this money will just disappear into the great, black hole that is public spending.

Will the school board be decreasing the levy rate to correspond with this increase in funding provided by reassesment?

I have not read or heard anyone bring this topic up for discussion and thought it might be somewhat important in light of upcoming elections. I would be interested in learning some actual facts and numbers in an investigative report. Any chance of that in the Democrat-News?

Perhaps the ramifications of the reassesment have already been divulged and I just missed it. Anyone have any info?

-- Posted by Smart Dog on Mon, Aug 2, 2010, at 10:29 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
As I understand it, the Hancock Amendment prevents government from reaping a windfall from reassessment increases. Government agencies that levy property taxes are allowed something like a 1 percent increase in revenue, but they have to roll back levies accordingly so they get no more than that.

We do plan to do more stories about reassessment and its impact on taxpayers and on government agencies.

Slater: You are right David Stockman's observations are gloomy. Even scarier than that is that they are correct. I am going to repost the link to his comments on the new political blog. I think it is an important statement.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Aug 2, 2010, at 10:12 AM

Speak Out rebooted. And I'd like to ask those debating George Wallace's career to please use the politics forum. Thanks!

-- Posted by Eric Crump on Mon, Aug 2, 2010, at 9:20 AM


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