This is kind of an off the wall comment, but has anyone thought about the monetary windfall about to be visited on our county due to the reassesment that is currently underway?
It appears that everyone I know, myself included, is going to be paying about 25 to 35 percent more in property taxes in the near future. I fear that in normal fashion, this money will just disappear into the great, black hole that is public spending.
Will the school board be decreasing the levy rate to correspond with this increase in funding provided by reassesment?
I have not read or heard anyone bring this topic up for discussion and thought it might be somewhat important in light of upcoming elections. I would be interested in learning some actual facts and numbers in an investigative report. Any chance of that in the Democrat-News?
Perhaps the ramifications of the reassesment have already been divulged and I just missed it. Anyone have any info?
Just wanted to thank you again for creating that wonderful political area on the blog. I visit it often when I want to hear political debate. It has been wonderful being able to read about ideas such as a jazz festival without all the back and forth arguments from the various factions that will never change their minds.
By the way, everyone get out to vote!
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mrxray and johnhenry share a common one: that people like Wallace and Breitbart don't have to bear responsibility for their actions.
I subscribe to the personal responsibility philosophy. If I see something that I believe needs correcting, I attempt to address the problem. If I'm wrong, I admit it (not always happily but it's done). Don't go blaming me for things outside of my area of control. Don't use falsehoods to build your case. Take responsibility.
I don't know much about politics but I know enough to realize the government is composed of politicians. Politicians are elected. Most politicians have but one thing in mind and that is to get four more years. Most politicians have an allegiance to some entity other than their constituents. Be it a political party, a corporation or some other such thing, they put the constituent second. Their decisions do not seem to be based on doing what is right, but doing what is beneficial to their primary allegiance.
Most people use the word "they" when complaining about government decisions. I fall prey to using the word "they" when discussing such things too.
Was it Pogo that said "I have met the enemy and "they" are us.
THEY ARE US!.
Having said all that, a musical jingle is running through my mind. Do you recall the jingle KMMO radio used for years as a lead-in to the weather?
"Everyone talks a lot about it, no one does a thing about it. About what? The weather"
Substitute government for weather.
Talk is cheap. The change everyone seems to want starts at the ballot box.
OKR - his view of the times is the gloomiest yet. Surely the strategists at the White House recognize all the points Stockman made, yet their actions would indicate they are indifferent to reality.
Finally, a Republican with the brains, and guts to own up. A must read for conservatives, and others. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/01/opinio...
MrXray - Sometimes (most of the time) you seem to be without any sense of humor about anything.
Has your funnybone been put out of commission by the heavy dose of lunacy we call our government? :)
slater as to your comment about my ideas on race.... I never stated I have the answers... What I do have is the knowledge that every time the DEMOCRATS and the Liberal Progressives have to push an agenda they utilize the race card and call all opposing it racist, and uncle Tom's and other terms and it never has anything to do with racism but ALL to do with manipulation of people who cannot or do not care to see this.
Hopefully you are not one of them
Jo: you are naive if you think that Dems are not just as bad about running this nation as the Repubs.. LOL they all play the same game. The Dems are just better at manipulating people and facts at this time simply because they provide the uneducated people in this nation with the most social benefits at the expense of the hard working REAL tax payers
Slater,,, I just responded to the topic on the post at the time... I guess if you dont like where I responded then gripe at the person that started the topic... LOL unless you cannot handle honest opposition to one opinion that you happen to agree with?
Come on Amy: even Sherrod stated that she had pressure from White house reps... at least until she changed her story. I watched her live tell people she had white house pressure.
The whole Breitbart issue was not about Sherrod, Sherrod had been fired prior to Fox News even mentioning this story. NAACP also stated Sherrod's statements should require that she step down from her job. Breitbart posted the portion of her speech to show that when she stated what she did about her initial racist reaction to the poor farmer that the people in the auidence were clapping and cheering this behavior... especially when she state that about getting back at the white man. Breitbart could have handled the whole thing differently but in light of the completely RACIST remarks and resolution that the NAACP did in KC regarding the tea party as a whole being racist, he was merely trying to show the exact same behavior within the NAACP.
When USDA chief fired her and the NAACP decried her, and the white house provided pressure on her, that was all on those people, not Breitbard.
SO get your facts straight
I see the race thing is still dominant in Marshall, it shows a few of the post's! The President is doing all that can be done with the few Democrats and the Republicans saying no too everything he purposes for a FIX. and doing one hell of a job with all he has against him. Bush and Company just about hijacked our Government with his Appointments and Cheney. But they are going to fail too keep this kind of thing going , the People! The People have seen the way the Republicans Govern! With there Idea's this Country will fail and everyone knows it, they have Proven that, the last ten years of there control! They want to relive themselves of any responsibility too the People,(our Employee)s! Like these enormous Football Stadium's. It's socialism for the building and up keep of these place's! But Privatised for the Profits! That's the way the Republicans want to Operate! Dose that make any sense to these uneducated People they speak of that's always so scared of Socialism ,i think there is Socialism in most everything , the People to Pay for, (with there taxes) and privatised for the Profit's! These People are playing us like a $ 2.00 Fiddle with there fancy talk and scam's. the Republican Party are no different then Organized Crime! If their not there to server the People , what the hell are they for??? I was hoping Bush And Cheney would do time for there unnecessary Killing of some of the Bravest People we have!But looks like Cheney is going to dodge the bullet again,but maybe he's Paying now with this last episode with his Heart I hope so !!! It's to bad i can't watch him to the end, it's terrible to say that about a human being but this man is evil along with a few other's in the Party it's not just Politic anymore! In my opinion!
MrXray - If you believe that some in the audience "don't have any clues about the real issues of racism," how about enlightening your audience, since you speak as though you know all the reasons.
But, do it next door. This is the pool side, intended for lounging and enjoying a cool drink or two.
Excuse me but Obama had nothing to do with how the Sherrod situation was handled. In fact, it was a situation created (some would say exploited) by the "spokesperson" from the right -- Brietbart.
It's great to express opinions here but it's good to have your facts straight.
Obama's inept handling of professor Gates/Beer Summit and the Sherrod situation only prove that the left has no clue about the real issues involving racism are and are only using the race card as a means to an end, their re-election.
Although it is amusing to watch Obama flounder in these situations
Republicans are views as racists because that is the only argument that the LEFT and the DEMS can use when their half black leader's policies are worsening the economy and failing to fix the economy. What they are left with is rhetoric and the race card.
The problem with throwing out the race card as much as the Dems and their liberal main stream media outlets so, is that we have reached the point where they have cried wolf or fire too many times and the only people left listening to their garbage is the lower educated people that are already dependent on the government and cannot see that the Dems are only making them new era slaves...
John Henry said this:
"Why are Republicans viewed as racist? Abraham Lincoln was a Republican, not a Democrat......."
John Henry, if you were to read up on Lincoln, you'd learn that he was as much a racist as the next white person of his time. He was opposed to slavery as an institution, but conceded its necessity to the economy of the South. While not a proponent of slavery per se, he did believe that blacks were inferior to whites in all respects.
Take a look at his debates with Stephen Douglas during the campaign for the Senate in 1854 and you'll see what I'm saying.
However, today it's true that not all subscribers to the Republican political philosophy are racist, just as it's true that not all subscribers to the Democratic political philosophy are non-racist.
I believe that you and I will have to agree to disagree. I don't share your perspective.
George Wallace always was a racist. And his wife's term as governor was a ploy by Wallace because he didn't want to give up power -- did you know that she was already deathly ill during the election and served as a puppet for George? She did very little governing, saving her strength to fight the illness that eventually killed her.
James Earl Ray was a huge fan of Wallace and used some of that as a motivation to murder Martin Luther King Jr.
You'll have to find someone else to sell that "Wallace wasn't a racist" theory to. Or you could read Hellhound On His Trail, a recently published book about Ray, Wallace, and King.
It's good to see discussion about Prop C. I enjoy the back and forth. It's obvious that we all have our own opinion. I respect each person's opinion and encourage them to use their right to express their opinion through the vote.
The most important thing is that people get out and vote!
Amy.. lol how about you give some unbiased opinions or at least discuss those that differ from yours...
The Obama care plan is unconstitutional to many CONSTITUTIONAL lawyers.
Prop C is a vote by the people to create a law that would allow the state to ignore the federal mandates within Obamacare law. I am sure the SCOTUS will become more of an activist court instead of a constitutional one if Kagan gets approved and then any challenge to Obama care will be voted against by the SCOTUS. However the Missouri vote is more of an exercise of a state reminding the Fed Government that we live in a REPUBLIC and not an outright democracy and that the Fed Govt needs to listen to the PEOPLE and not to special interest groups and a progressive agenda and that the FED Govt needs to stay within the Constitutional bounds.
The progressive movement has made most people forget the whole Republic part of our system of Government..... remember we are not America but The United States of America. Obama told us he wanted to FUNDAMENTALLY change our nation and you all failed to understand that he HATES our constitution as he has told us on many occasions and so he is trying to get around it every way that he can. YES other presidents have done the same but not to the extent that obama desires.
Fireplug: LMAO. Thank you.
Vote early, and OFTEN! That's good, long-standing advice! :)
Yes, Missouri is not alone in trying to buck federal law. No, the opt-out portion of the healthcare reform plan did not include entire states opting out of it.
Just to further clarify: Prop C requires an amendment to the current Missouri Statutes. The proposed amendment is in violation of federal law.
Voting no means that no amendment is made and everything remains as it is now and the state complies with federal law.
Okay, now I'm somewhat confused. I thought Prop C was voting for/against Missouri opting out of the new health care legislation. Wasn't part of the dealmaking that was done to pass it that states could opt out? It doesn't seem like there has been a lot of coverage of Prop C. Just what exactly is it we're voting for/against? I do know that several other states have similar issues in the November election.
Eric - thanks for setting up the - "The first preliminary kick-the-idea-around, see-who's-interested Marshall jazz fest planning meeting is 6:30 p.m. Thursday, Aug. 5, in the Marshall Public Library meeting room. If that time doesn't work for everybody, we'll meet again at a different time.
-- Posted by Eric Crump on Fri, Jul 30, 2010, at 5:44 PM"
I only hope that there will be "LOTS" of people there. I'll be there with bells on and a list of things that I have been compiling already to "kick" around.
I agree that the federal government has a history of making errors in judgment when it comes to management and oversight. I have issues with the proposed health care plan. That's beside the point. A state is not permitted to arbitrarily go against a federal law.
You admit that Prop C may be unconstitutional. Yet you support it.
But it might be time for you to dust off your history books. Those who stood up unconstitutional actions on the part of a state include those who stood for slavery and against segregation. Who can forget George Wallace standing in that doorway?
The politicians who suggested Prop C are making a mockery of our state. They care nothing for you or me or how much more the state will have to cut services to pay for the court costs that passing Prop. C will generate. They care nothing about the loss of health services small communities may face if Prop C passes. They don't even care that there's already a Missouri law that would be further abused by passing Prop. C.
Does anyone else think it's a huge indicator that the Missouri Hospital Association is against Prop C?
Um, hello. Please forgive me if I'm intruding. I'll take only a minute of your time. A while ago I was visited by a four-legged critter who told me that my friends and I recently were mentioned in this column, and not in a very kindly manner, I might add!
I live a pretty solitary existence, out here all alone but always ready to offer assistance in emergencies, while also always being the repository for all sorts of grit and grime, but, do I complain? Not on your life!
After what I was told, I thought I better try to dispel any uneasiness inferred by references to me and my ilk.
Some days I feel as if I'm a blood relative of the Maytag repairman. :(
Heh heh...KF, I suppose my "fogeyness" could cause it to go stale.
Thanks for the tips, but, after a few years of the "Microsoft Experience," I'm inclined to lay it onto Bill Gates.
I've tried the speech device on some of the troublesome sites a time or two just to hear what it sounds like, with a novel result as it attempted to read text overlaid onto text (the outcome of enabling the built-in accessibility features). Incidentally, it also screws up the Windows email program.
Slater, you might try logging out of the newspaper site altogether, then clicking on the "refresh" arrows on the top of the browser screen and then logging back in. If you've been logged in for awhile, it sometimes happens that the login gets, for lack of a better word, "stale."
Nope, BNB, that doesn't do it. :( But thanks for the tip!
Just to further clarify: Prop C requires an amendment to the current Missouri Statutes. The proposed amendment is in violation of federal law.
Voting no means that no amendment is made and everything remains as it is now.
A no vote means that the amendment does not pass.
From the Missouri Secretary of State:
Fair Ballot Language:
A "yes" vote will amend Missouri law to deny the government authority to penalize citizens for refusing to purchase private health insurance or infringe upon the right to offer or accept direct payment for lawful healthcare services. The amendment will also modify laws regarding the liquidation of certain domestic insurance companies.
A "no" vote will not change the current Missouri law regarding private health insurance, lawful healthcare services, and the liquidation of certain domestic insurance companies.
Have to log in first.
Eric, there is no circle with an exclamation point displayed on my screen. I've always wondered how to flag a post when I could never figure out where to do that.
Due to my failed vision, my color scheme is reversed frorm the default, and that changes the way many sites are displayed on this machine.
Other than the missing symbol, I don't have any issues with the appearance of the site. Where should I be looking for that symbol?
Clicking the symbol takes you to a form to report a problem comment.
The message gets sent to me, so another way to flag a message is just send email to email@example.com and in the subject line put: comment report (or similar)
Amy--while I agree with you--don't we have to vote yes on Prop C to actually vote NO??? I really hate the way some of these things get worded!! I really don't want to vote for it so how--for sure--do we vote???
Here's what I don't get about the Prop C debate: We have a similar requirement in Missouri. If you want to drive a car, you have to have insurance. I never hear anybody complain about that.
But the federal government passes a similar law requiring health insurance, and there's an outcry.
I must be missing something, and I hope someone can explain what the problem with the requirement is. It looks like it will help more people get decent health care. It looks like it will reduce the number of people using the ER as a doctor's office. It looks like it will boost the business for insurance companies.
It looks like it's requiring people to take responsibility for their own health care costs, just as we have to take responsibility for the cost of traffic accidents we're involved in.
The cost gets spread to all of us in any case, since hospitals have to treat everyone, but in theory, anyway, requiring health insurance will encourage people to use more efficient health services rather than overusing expensive ER services.
Why do we need PropC at all?
Actually, I'm all about personal responsibility. But as I said in my posts from a few days ago, Prop C has been proposed by people who know it's unconstitional (states trying to override federal law only ends up in court) and that it won't work. They don't care that you and I will be bearing the responsibility of paying for the court costs. For them, it's all about political positioning. They DO NOT care about the health care plan.
Vote no for Prop C.
Heck I'll even assist anyway I possibly can with the jazz fest as long as there is gonna be good comin out of it,not just helpin the rich get ricer.
I am curious about this jazz fest(I'm all for it sounds cool)but will any of the money collected go towards things that truely matter besides putting Marshall back on the map(no problem with that), but what about schools,road repair ,etc.etc.? If so count me in otherwise it's just getting certain people wallets fatter,unless I'm missin the BIGGER picture, if so please educate me.
Also these things happen once maybe streched to twice a year right what about a teen club or NO ALCOHAL pool hall for kids and or adults to do in town. The sidewalks roll up at sundown there really isn't a whoe lot for people to do, besides roller skate(knees won't allow me)or bowling(ol arthor says no on that one to)?
It just might happen OKR. My dog loves to roll around on smelly, stinky, disgusting, vile stuff.
If someone comes on as firehydrant, POOPY can't be far behind.
I realize that the whole concept of the Republic of the United States is beyond comprehension of most people and we have pathetically become apatetic in or view of the Fed Government and most people just find it easier if the government provides all things so individuals dont have to do the work to be responsible for their own lives and the lives of their families....
Amy Crump: So in respect you your opinion about PROP C the second response you have... just as the Feds do with money for roads or health care or any other issue the fed tries to coerce states in to buying into, you are agreeing that the Federal Government should TRUMP the state's rights as per our REPUBILC, which is a trumping of the rights of the citizens or our state?
you are also voting to allow the federal government to provide unfunded mandates, or underfunded mandates or in the future when their "solution" becomes too expensive so they remove some or all of the funding for the program so that the state suffers even more at that time?
Would it not be more prudent for the state to become self sufficient and stop relying on funding from the federal government so that we are financially safe from the political game of DC?
Here's a little fusion:
OKR - this one is for you:
...and, for those favoring the piano, The Bill Evans Trio. His style always put me in mind of butterflies on the wing:
Since it's gonna be a jazz fest, here's a well-known tune to set the tone:
How about that Red Dog! Now all we need is some sicko to start posting as "Fire Hydrant". ;)
Here is a thought for a "plan B". Just on the off chance that Mr. James would not want to return, and or had a conflicting schedule...how about setting up a big screen and he could make a sattelite appearance, also, think long distance education. Someone earlier mentioned workshops for musician participation during a jazz festival. Perhaps that could be worked into the equation.
From the lighter side. I noticed three dogs have recently posted here. Alpha Dog, Red Dog and Smart Dog.
I remember my Dad saying (tongue in cheek) that you could judge a man's wealth by the number of dogs under his front porch.
For those who don't know who Bob James is (and I suspect there are many), here's a nice way to find out:
If you haven't received mailing from the Missouri Hospital Association yet, keep an eye out for them. They have mailed two flyers explaining why THE MISSOURI HOSPITAL ASSOCIATION is against Proposition C.
1. There's already a Missouri law that states hospitals have to provide emergency room coverage to an underinsured person EVEN if they can afford insurance. How do they pay for it? By charging you and me more money! The federal health care plan can stop that.
Here's what their flyer reads: "If you think it's acceptable that some who can afford insurance get a free ride, vote yes for Prop. C. If you think that's unfair, you should vote no."
2. The other flyers reads: "It is projected that $50 million a year will be redirected AWAY from Missouri because Prop. C make it so that health care resources will be withheld from Missouri to pay for more coverage in other states -- or be kept by the federal government. That loss will cause the greatest damage to community hospitals in Missouri's SMALL CITIES and RURAL AREAS ... perhaps the one your family depends on in times of need."
MY OPINION: Two more valid reasons to vote NO on Prop C.
The first preliminary kick-the-idea-around, see-who's-interested Marshall jazz fest planning meeting is 6:30 p.m. Thursday, Aug. 5, in the Marshall Public Library meeting room. If that time doesn't work for everybody, we'll meet again at a different time.
(I don't know what that is yet. That's why we have planning meetings.)
"China Becomes Second Biggest World Economy"
"Overtakes Japan for 2nd place; expected to be number one by 2025."
Then again if Bob had abolsutely no interest, what would be the plan?
Thanks for posting the link to "Restoration" OKR!
"Billy The Kid To Be Pardoned, 130 Years Later?"
You're right, WTF, that a festival with the blessing and presence of Bob James would be more likely to succeed (faster, anyway) than one without, but I think walkingblind is right, too. You gotta start somewhere, and it might be more likely to get Mr. James to buy in if there's already a feasible plan being developed.
It comes to mind that the first step is the important one. Sometimes it is a small step and sometimes it is a leap, but it is the one that gets things started. In the future we may be able to think Saline County instead of only Marshall. After that, maybe Ozark Highlands.
I doubt anything beyond Marshall will be attainable, but, what the heck, think big. Think grandiose. Great deeds start with great thoughts. (I read that somewhere.) Do great happenings start with great thoughts?
When a group of people get together and start throwing thoughts around, great things often happen. There are many disgruntled people in this town. It is time to dis-in-gruntled. (I didn't do very well in Humanics.)
I remember a small group wanting an honest-to-goodness library for the town. Murrell Library filled the bill for a long time but circumstances and disgruntled people called for something better. The first meeting was small. It mushroomed from there. A lot of people put time and effort into the project and made a change. We have a great library. You can make a difference.
WTF - I don't see any reason to WAIT!! We need a plan before we can go to anyone to lend their name or donate their money.
Your comment leads me to believe a meeting is needed more than ever. To discuss this here in this column is not a good use of time and resources.
Eric - pick a few dates and time and see who shows up. It is time to but your body where your keyboard is!!!!!!!!!!
If jazz was going to be the only topic wtf I agree with you. This seems like putting the cart before the horse.
I think Eric should set something up in the way of a meeting and discuss the generalities. Promoting (selling) anything is a tough nut to crack. I can't think of anything that would be as big as Bob James. Maybe someone will have an idea not so grandiose, but workable.
No disrespect wtf. Like I said, I agree with you. At this point I think any kind of meeting wuld be good.
Whoa! Hold on there pardner's.
In my humple opinion, the whole idea of a jazz festival would have revolve around the particpation of Bob James and his performing pals. He is our native son afterall and would be the main draw of the whole event. Until he is approached and signs on, it's a pipe dream.
Eric, at this time, maybe instead of holding a meeting at the library your time might be better served by finding someone who actually knows Bob well enough to get a hold of him and even broach the subject of a jazz festival. If he seemed remotely interested then that would be the time to start having meetings.
I'm sure there are many people here who know him that well and a crack reporter such as yourself should have no problem ferreting them out.
Good point, walkingblind. A meeting would be good. Anyone want to suggest a day & time? The Marshall Public Library has a meeting room. I can see if it's available.
Hey Eric, I see that we have at least three volunteers to work on a jazz festival already!! Who is hosting the meeting? When, where, how soon!!!!!????????? WE need to strike now, while the IDEA is HOT!! I am sure that we could find a multitude of resources and other ideas to bring life to our town.
Eric, do you remember anything about a movement a couple of years back to bring a performing arts theater to Marshall? I recall someone talking about renovating some existing building uptown to use for such things as the Community Chorus performances, etc. It would have all the proper acoustics, sound system and such to enhance performances. I don't remember if someone was looking to invest or if they were going to look for a grant. The movie theater might be something that would be more suitable???
Onwards and upwards!!! Other things have happened in this town when a group of people have put their heads together. So, why not a festival or two and maybe updates to other happenings going on already. The sky is the limit!!!
Sitting here this morning, sipping on my high octane coffee, I had another crazy thought.
The Marshall Municipal Utilities has a huge bank balance. There was something about paper pellets and not getting enough recycle paper to fire the boilers to make cheap(?) electricity.
MMU could tap into their bank account and put a dam across Salt Fork. Build a hydro-electric plant. Provide cheap electricity for the town. Sell the excess.
The resulting lake could be akin to the Lake of the Ozarks. Promoters of the area would then have a real asset to run with.
This recession isn't going to last forever. Be ready when it breaks.
Far fetched? yes Doable? yes Affordable? no Crazy? yes
Now then. Think "recreation area". Something like Blind Pony Lake in the immediate area could be promoted. That lake is more like a large pond and wouldn't be big enough though.
Please refer to the second paragraph above.
I am not all that with it today. I tend to ramble occasionally. Maybe more often than not.
I see some take delight in criticizing speling and grammer in these blogs. This is such a self-serving thing. Some can spell, some can't. Some have a grasp of what is expected when composing and others don't quiet get it. Some live north of the tracks and others south. Is it a big hughe sin to not have good spelling skils? Does it degrade a persuns intelligence when they can't put a thought on paper in what is acepted as normall?
I have read some very good posts on here of an intelligent person that has misspelled words and used poor composishun skills. Do I discount that blog as being one of a nincompoop? Do I openly attack that person? After all, the rule of combat is to seek the weak spots.
This is not right people. Sure, I know you will respond with saying you are just trying to educate the person and not be critical.
I see this Democrat News blog as the closest thing the citizens are ever going to get that resembles a Town Hall Meeting. I want to guarantee the attitude of the spell-checkers would not be kindly entertained at a real, live town hall meeting.
I heartily endorse this jazz festival idea. Bring it on.
I love seeing all the comments with wonderful ideas on how to bring a jazz festival to Marshall!
A suggestion - check with the organizers of the farmer's market and see how they got going, too. A Market on the Square day would also be an ideal venue for a "mini-festival" (like a half-day) to check out interest in a larger festival. The local band directors likely would have some ideas about groups to contact to participate.
I think the "Speak out" committee has some real potential!
wannacomeback - It's not so bad really. The building looks fine structurally. Probably needs a new coat of roofing. It could stand a bit of updating to repair or replace chairs, carpet, paint etc. It would help market the business if the projection/sound systems were updated. As it is there is a company (B&B), a manager and an assistant manager that could all be replaced with an owner/operator....
A jazz festival would be great, this is the kind of stuff I like seeing in this section of the paper.
I also will volunteer my time.
The jazz festival idea is a great one. Every year or so I pop into Marshall, visit with relatives, drive about the beautiful old city, and leave. I, and my wife who is also a jazz lover, would definitely find a way to attend such a wonderful event.
Also what a wonderful opportunity to get the local musical assets involved. I bet that the philharmonic would love to work up a show, perhaps featuring Gershwin's "Rhapsody in Blue". How about the band getting to work up arrangements of W. C. Handy's "Beale Street Blues", and "St. Louis Blues"? I think the musicians within the community would be turning cartwheels over such an opportunity. They would help by providing diverse jazz genres to the mix.
Such diversity it seems to me would draw even more attendees. Jazz roots, Dixieland, Be Bop, West Coast, and smooth Jazz, among others, all have their devotees. It would be best to catch the interest of each niche as jazz fans can be picky. They would each be drawn by what they thought was the best, but would stay for the rest.
I get excited just thinking about it. Awesome.
WTF - I am with you - I will volunteer my time and what talents I have to this worthy cause. I also agree that this is something that can't be half-hearted. It will take total commitment and lots of hours to pull something like this off but I think that we have people that would love to do this and make it work.
It will take a year to plan an event like this one. We would have to have a commitment of MONEY first of all. I like the idea of a grant. Starter funds are always hard to come by.
Red Dog, The guy who started the entertainment company in Marshall was David Riley and I believe he still lives in Marshall. Maybe he could point you in the right direction. Also, there is a gentleman from Slater that, I believe, is in entertainment promotion. Randall Stanley Feuers, whom now lives in Jeff City.
Has anyone though of commishioning a scultpure and/or statue of Bob James, in his honor???? A jazz fest and unveiling of that could possibly entice a native son to return!
Would like to know what it would take to keep the Marshall Theater/movies Open know it needs work and to be updated. But just how bad is it?
I believe you are right but I can't express enough how important it be that something of this nature not be done a whim. It should be looked at as a long term investment. It could mean thousands of people and the money they would spend. Something like this would have to gain a foothold. In time it could be the yearly pilgrimage for several thousand people.
We have the infrastructure. This town is not so big as one could not easily travel from one venue to another. Perhaps even shuttle busses.
I admit all I have for now is ideas but I would certainly volunteer my time if something such as this were to happen. I hereby volunteer my services as artist liason. :)
I am but a single citizen. There are people here who are friends with Bob James. Maybe if one were to read about this concept they may contact him and run it past him. In my opinion Bob is the key. Could it be done without his involvement? Probably, but it wouldn't be nearly as cool. I invite those who don't know much about Bob to google him. Careful, he might be ticklish. Read a little about Bob and you will undertand more about his role in the jazz industry.
C'mon Marshall, we can do better than Jim the Wonder Dog.(No offense,Jim) Hey! Does anyone remember our local movie / TV star Jamie Smith Jackson? She was in and episode of the 70's cop drama the rookies. I believe that she played Nick Nolte's girlfriend in that episode. She went on to marry Michael Ontkean who was one of the stars of the series. She also starred in the anti-drug movie "Go ask Alice", in which the title was based on the hit Jefferson Airplane song of the same name. I'm sure she had others roles but I can't remember right now.
A jazz festival in Marshall. If this really happens I'll think I've died & gone to heaven.
I've been pondering that question. I think by calling on the city to take the lead, you're onto something, because a big event requires somebody able to provide all that organizational infrastructure that's so hard to put together ad hoc -- somebody to keep track of correspondence with everybody involved, somebody to handle money, somebody who can leverage services from local governments, etc.
I don't know to what extent Jill and Scott Murray rely on the city of Slater for that sort of thing when they do Bear Creek Blues, but I know the city works with them and helps out.
I'm not sure the city of Marshall can or will take the lead, but somebody from the city would have to be involved, I would think. Maybe a citizens committee can form and continue brainstorming and invite city & county government to join in?
WOW!!!! What wonderful ideas!!!! I have goosebumps just reading all the ideas. This is what Marshall needs, people sharing ideas to make our community all it can be!!
My previous blogs might have sounded like I wish I didn't live here BUT I moved back to Marshall after living in KC and have never regretted my decision. This is a beautiful town with all the majestic trees and beautiful homes. We have a park second to none, which I am so happy to see that people are using.
OK Tourism Board, You have some really great ideas coming out of here lets see if you are willing to take the lead and make it happen.
You're right Eric. But, the city would really have to carry the ball on this one although there could also be myriad of sponsors to help underwrite the event.
These are great ideas! And an event like this would be a good candidate for a Marshall tourism grant since it has the potential, with wide enough promotion, to bring a lot of people to town for overnight stays. Tourism grants can help pay for brochures, mailings, promotional websites, that sort of thing.
Gee, the Sedalia paper reports that last night a Marshall man shot and killed himself after a pursuit by Sedalia police. You would think that would be in the Marshall paper,too.
Along with the festival could be a mini-trade show for instrument manufactuers,etc. Maybe that could be at the new community center or the armory. I bet the country club would love to hold a reception for all the pro-performers. The list goes on and on. Would anyone else like to add?
It was Full Circle Entertainment.Now defunct.
The Willie show was success and they tired the following year at the fairgrounds with several concerts, Bob James being one of the performers.
It was a noble effort,but alas,they ran out of money before they could really get started.
The difference as I see it between simply a concert and a festival is access. A festival would probably be a minimun of two days. Not only would there be mulitple performances at any given time, folks can pay for the opportunity to attend a workshop for thier given instrument or vocals with top industry pro's and probably even their hero's These workshops usually cumlinate in a performance with the students and pro's to close out the festival. This would not only be a draw for amatuer musicians of all levels, but also for collegiate and high school student musicians. I'm not sure if there is anything like it in this part of the country, but I could be wrong. It's very common in the Bluegrass industry and the Rockers have the fantasy camps. It could be something along those lines. If held at the right time of year, the college and the high school could both house the workshops. The multi at the college would be a great indoor venue for revolving performances that would go on all day for two days with many different performers and artists. There could be evening headline shows at the fairgrounds, the highschool or the college stadiums. If we build it they will come.
OOPS! Spell that CONCERT.
Do you recall who the promoter for the Willie Nelson contest was? Did it cost a lot? Was it a success? I am not asking this because I know the answers because I don't. I am just trying to get an idea how to promote a "happening".
One major problem I see at the old hospital is asbestos. It is a money pit, as are most old buildings.
NanaDot, unfortunately the old hospital is privately owned. Also unfortunately it was truly in pretty bad shape when the hospital moved to the new facility, speaking from an employee's perspective at the time. However, I think your idea was completely fantastic. It is sad to see that magnificent old space sitting mostly empty, when parts of it could serve the community so well!
How about, Marshall COULD be what small town America SHOULD be.
I think it's time to survey America's small town administrators to learn how they truly view their towns and their work.
I agree 100% about your comment regarding Marshall.
I may live in one of the most beautiful and richest nations in the World, but no place on Earth could ever take Marshall's place in my heart.
In fact, my wife and I are coming to visit Marshall in September and I can't wait to get back home to see the new courthouse, enjoy the atmosphere, and eat what I think is the best food in the World at one of Marshall's local restaurants.
Marshall is everyone's memory of small town America. A newly renovated courthouse with free music concerts on the lawn. A lovely park with a nifty dog story, an air museum, great hamburgers at the bowling alley. A Saturday farmer's market. A beautiful setting for a park with a well maintained aquatic center. Lovely homes (though it is sad so many older homes in the county fell into ruins and have been destroyed) Maybe mentioning all the options for inexpensive entertainment will bring families for day trips.
How about turning the cinema into a community arts and entertainment center?
Jazz concerts, competition, battle of the bands, blue grass concerts through the Santa Fe Trails Days, Community Theatre, Dance...There are enough talented kids out there to do a 'dance crew' program. The Philharmonic Orchestra could play there, the Marshall Community Choir could perform there.....the ideas are endless.
What the F, you have been thinking about this for some time haven't you!!!
I love jazz!! Love Mr. James!!! even though I haven't had the chance to meet him personally.
Two festivals - Jazz and Santa Fe Trail Days. Each would have a place in the scheme of things. Each would bring out their own type of crowd.
I like it!!! I can see it all now.
Another note: lot of high schools have a jazz bands and would probably like to get in on the action. If it was held on a weekend, a lot of parents would come to see their kids perform. More Georges!!!
This would go great with the renewal of the music department at Valley. They already host a High School Jazz competition.
Besides, Marshall is known for it's musical talents. Our very own Philharmonic Orchestra has been on national TV - yes, that's true, it happened a number of years ago. It put Marshall MO in the spotlight for a brief shinning moment. Maybe we could be featured again - who knows.
Add some good businesses and we will have a very, very, very great town to call home.
You are on to something wtf. I remember Bob James from school. He was a little older than me. He was a pretty fair horn player in high school. He found his niche in life, I guess you could say. He is a jazz legend.
The Kool Jazz Festival used to be held at the Royal's Stadium annually. The stadium was always packed. Kool quit the sponsorship when the tobacco companies started getting vilified big time. There is the Newport Jazz Festival which packs them in. Jazz is universal.
A few years back, the Count Basie Orchestra was brought to town on a Super Bowl Sunday. I know, this isn't jazz. The point is, The Super Bowl was a big deal then, bigger than it is now. Many football fans chose Count Basie over the game because the Bueker Auditorium was 3/4 full.
I do not know if Bob James could be enticed to lend his name and aura to his home town. I don't know him to ask him. Does anyone out there?
Jazz. You are on the right track wtf.
I know what would bring George to town, but the town would have to plan carefully, help to underwrite the event until profitable and also possibly seek help from Missouri Valley College.
I don't think that most people realize, or care that our native son, Bob James is one of the biggest names in jazz music. Bob is to jazz music what Steve McQueen was to movies. Understandably, alot of folks in this area may not follow jazz, but when you branch out of our loevely little hamlet, a lot of people do. St.Louis,Kansas City,Chicago etc.
Marshall should re-connect with it's native son (whom I've had the pleasure to meet) and strive to become the jazz mecca of the mid-west.
A jazz festival,possibly in june with many known performers, workshops and meet and greets would bring musicians and fans from all over the mid-west and possibly the country. They would need lodging and food. MVC would have the perfect venue for indoor performances and workshops and there is always the fairgrounds for a larger outdoor event.
If done right this could be a very successful annual or bi-annual event but It COULD NOT BE DONE HALF-HEARTEDLY.
The city would really have to get behind it and commit to the long haul. Not just try it once and run away because everyone didn't get rich the first time. It would take committment and investment, but think of the possiblities.
Sedalia does it for Scott Joplin and Ragtime which has been out of style for nearly a 100 years.I suspect Marshall wouldn't have enough lodging and would have to reach out to Sedalia, Boonville and possibly even Columbia if it were to be a success.
Jazz is still very vibrant form of music even though you don't hear it on KMMO. If we build it,they will come.
Thank you Walking Blind. I knew the answer was 42. I hit the wrong key when I named the committee. The 41 Committee was one brick shy of a full load. By the way. Do you know where your towel is?
What is this about big fish and guppies and open meetings to discuss issues? Town Hall meetings are a thing of the past; history, old fashioned and have no relevancy to the present. The present fashion is to elect officials to represent you and then trust them to do the right thing. Town Hall meetings are only in the old movies. Geeze.
They have already come up with the answer to the meaning of life, the universe and everything. Just ask Douglas Adams!! 42
I liked Eric's suggestion for committee name. I think what is need is a good old fashion brainstorming session with a whole new group of people doing the brainstorming. The "old" group isn't doing to good!
I think NanaDot is looking for ideas that are outside the box which is great by me. The old ideas sure aren't working!!!!!!
Despite what some others in this blog think, this town is on life support. That won't change until the PTB wake up and smell the roses. If they don't they may not have a town to be the "big fish" in and throw their weight around. They are going to be wondering where all the water they have been swimming in went! They have been so indifferent to what is needed in Marshall, they deserve to lose the good old swimming whole. The real problem is, all of us little guppies are going to lose out also.
The 41 Committee charged with finding out the meaning of life, the universe and everything.
The Speak Out Committee?
One of the old school buildings, after the citizens get through using them, has the potential to be home to a museum. If only someone could come up with the right avenue for a museum.
As for gimmicks. I am sorry folks. I remember reading about the Piltdown Man and, once again, crop circles are newsworthy.
You are only limited by your imagination. Come on folks, put it out there.
Maybe this town needs another committee. I am having trouble coming up with the right title for the committee. Help me out.
Relocalizing. I like that. Instead of spending your dollars on trying to get newbies to locate here, why not take care of the ones you have? How novel is that? Quit worrying about attracting new to Marshall and encourage expansion of present business'. That would be a goal of economic development that could be met to the profit of all.
I know I often get sarcastic and offer up some dry humor, but I am serious about this. You current business owners come out in the open and demand some of the same concessions the economic development people will give away to newbies.
Thank you Nana Dot.
Maybe, we could be the home of the oldest school in Missouri? This isn't funny so no LOL goes with it.
"Last decade warmest on record, indicators in decline
Data 'screaming that the world is warming,' scientist says of annual report"
Will we leave a habitable Earth to our children and grandchildren or will we ignore the factual data and wait till its too late to take action to stop the effect of our consumption on our planet?
I am betting we will ignore the data and wipe out the human species.
There has been much written on the blogs concerning the closing of the Marshall Cinema. Most who have posted their thoughts are of the idea that Marshall is experiencing death throes.
Is Marshall soon to be a ghost of the past? I say no, but many think otherwise. I say Marshall has never slid backwards and is currently gathering strength once again to surge into the future.
I doubt Marshall ever becomes a tourist attraction. The past is steeped in agriculture and not history changing events.
Some towns try to draw tourists with novelties. Did you ever go out of your way to see the World's Largest Ball of Twine? No? I haven't bothered either. Why didn't we go? My thought about that one was "who cares?"
Is there anything in or around Marshall that the average person would want to make a side trip to see? Jim the wonder Dog? Aquatics Center? Skateboard park? Anything?
The whole idea is to get people to bring George to town. That would be George Washington and his brethren. Especially his brethren.
How can we get people to route through Marshall? Arrow Rock has a good draw but that is on down the road a fair piece.I don't think Marshall will be able to draw people because of Arrow Rock.
Most of the Arrow Rock crowd is drawn by the Theater. After the show, maybe they will stop at the Old Tavern and have a meal. Most seem to go on back home, wherever that might be. I don't think many book a room in Marshall, spend the night and pass on those pieces of paper that have George's picture on them.
Can you think of much of anything besides Arrow Rock that might bring George to town. I can't either at the moment.
I know, we want business', not tourists. The business is not likely to happen soon nor are tourists going to flock to town.
You better think about tourism though if the want the local economy to get a shot in the arm. A little vitamin B-12.
Marshall needs a gimmick. Unfortunately, I don't think a park for a dog, no matter how special,is going to bring many. The Civil War skirmish over on the east side is not going to bring many without some kind of museum to go along with it. Not very many skirmish's rate a museum. The skate park is one of those passing fads, like commercial trampoline places and such.
Unfortunately for tourism, Marshall's past consists primarily of agriculture related events. I would suggest a museum with an agriculture theme, But Bonner Springs, Kansas thought of that one first. That is not to say there can't be another one, but I really don't think many are going to come to town to look at old manure spreaders and 2-row cornpickers.
What is the gimmick Marshall can capitalize on? I say gimmick, not novelty. Can you think of very much novel to Marshall other than it being an ultra-conservative community that votes Democrat? I can't either.
Come up with a good gimmick and let us kick it around.
I know, this hasn't much of anything to do with attracting new business, but it would be a small step in the right direction.
Marshall needs a gimmick. What do you think might do the trick? Is the spirit of P.T. Barnum still hovering in the atmosphere?
I would also like to add that my other Country, Australia, does an excellent job of protecting me and they don't kidnap and/or torture to do it.
They also don't lose or steal billions of dollars from the Australian taxpayers. If the military did that here, they would soon find themselves in serious trouble because the Australian taxpayers would never tolerate such incompetance from our military commanders.
Kidnapping and torture does not protect my safety or yours...Tim McVeigh proved that...
PanzerFahrer - Did you hear about the guy who drove his tank to the house where his ex-girlfriend lived and threatened to shoot it?
Yes it is Iraqi oil money that was entrusted to the Pentagon for the rebuilding of Iraq.
The Pentagon then lost the money (or stole it). That means we will have to pay out the Iraqi's money out of tax dollars since we are still responsible for coming up with their money.
So in the end we the taxpayers have to foot the bill for the almost $9 billion that wss lost or stolen by the Pentagon.
I might remind you that they still cannot account for the $9 billion they lost or stole under the Bush Administration.
So for the taxpayers this means that almost $18 billion of our tax dollars have been lost or stolen by the Pentagon. Just to understand how much money that is...
$9 x 1000 x 1000 x 1000
How long will we tolerate the military/industrial complex shaking down the taxpayers? How many more tax dollars will have to be spent to reimburse the Iraqis for their money which the Pentagon stole or "lost?"
...and, continuing on:
Just a quibble: (And I don't mean to argue that billions of our hard earned isn't being swiped), but in this case, I think it's the Iraqis' money that's unaccounted for.
"Pentagon can't account for $8.7 billion in Iraqi funds"
How long will we let these crooks steal our hard earned tax dollars?
Not nearly enough to account for that large a segment of the population, toes.
how many people are on p/p in marshall that can not vote????
red dog, I ask myself that question every election. And the answer is always the same. Apathy, laziness, lack of concern for the issues are some of the reasons. It's easier to complain about the outcome (and, apparently, to live with it) than it is to take the simple, uncomplicated and easy way out and just VOTE! It has never been easier to vote - you can vote by mail, vote early, vote for 12 hours on election day. What possible excuse is there for not voting?????
It's disgusting, it really is. People die for the right to vote while as high as 3/4 of the population says, "Who cares?"
I see Jeff City has predicted a 24% voter turnout. How in the world can three quarters of the voters allow so few to determine the future?
"Millions of Earths? Talk causes a stir"
We will have no choice but to end both of these wars soon. We can't afford it and its wiping our our economy.
Its sad that many Americans still have not figured out that we are not authorized by the World's nations to be the World's policeman nor do we have the authority to appoint ourselves to that task.
But one lesson that we are all about to learn about the dangers of recklessly engaging in empire building is that history has shown empire building has a very serious price attached to it.
At last this irrational deja vu war in Afghanistan has its Daniel Ellsberg. I hope that soon, rather than later, we will have this war's Walter Cronkite, and this war's Eugene McCarthy. Then perhaps we can end this war.
I am hopeful that this misadventure will end no worse than the Viet Nam war. That is probably the best we can expect.
Okay, I'm following the silver lining with this one:
I just remembered a question posed by Ray Stevens in one of his songs.
"would Jesus wear a rolex on his television show?"
Do you think Paul would have made it as a TV Evangelist?
Thanks for the history. I was just thinking about the USA and was ignorant of the earlier attempts at democracy. How long did they last?
As for Thomas Jefferson. I think he would have been an interesting dinner guest.
Christianity has been around for better than 2,000 years now. I think you could say it has withstood the test of time.
Democracy has been around a much shorter time. Is it still in its infancy and will it finally emerge as the one true civilized way to live? I don't know. Only God knows.
Democracy and Christianity are intertwined in spite of Madeline Murray OHare. Christian ideals will save our country eventually. Our descendents will have to figure out a way to stay away from a Socialistic State and still embrace the path of Christianity.
Where have you gone Thomas Jefferson?
Oh. I forgot to mention power.
Power factors in with the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
One more thought before I hang it up for the night.
What is the bottom line for almost everything that has happened or will happen? What decides the future of almost everyone on our melting planet?
Please notice I said almost. I did not say all so do not beat on me about religion and pure thoughts.
Anyway. The bottom line is
I guess I have been at the ER at the wrong times in the past. Yes, indigents and those in low income brackets do have the same right to decent health care comparable with those that have health insurance. I am getting by and should not complain. Compared to some, I am in hog heaven.
I am responsible for my health and by that reasoning, I am also responsible for any medical insurance I can afford. I should be happy I lived long enough to be eligible for medicare. I am very grateful that I am given health care by my government.
Wait a minute! In my rush to say the right things here to pacify anyone I might offend, I wrote the government gives me medicare. Is medicare a gift?
Obviously, I lived long enough for medicare and I am drawing Social Security. Is Social Security also a gift?
Has the government ever given you anything as a gift, for free, no strings? No, I think not.
I have maintained the government owes me nothing more than freedom and the opportunity to earn a living. During my life, my government has given me the freedom to earn a decent living and I can ask for no more in that regard.
The freedom my government has given me had a price however. My freedom and your freedom was not a gift, it was paid for with American blood.
Social Security is not a gift. I earned it. Do you recall what percent of your salary goes to Social Security? It is a pretty large amount in the scheme of things.
Now then, Medicare Insurance. Is medicare insurance a gift? Could be, in a way. Did the government earn the money to fund the program? No! We gave the government the money, one way or another. I should be thanking everyone who is or has been gainfully employed for the gift of medicare.
Where did the money come from for medicare? Is medicare part of your and my social security contribution that the government so creatively uses as a slush fund? Why is the government in the health insurance business anyway?
What does all this have to do with Proposition "C"? Nothing and everything.
Amy is right. Vent your anger by voting yes. Exercise your good judgment concerning money and thus save money by voting no. There is a better way to voice your displeasure with the issue of health care. Ask Amy. She knows.
This may belong on the political page. Being needy and not greedy, I don't know a whole lot about politics. This Proposition "C" thing is definitely a political ploy. If this thing passes, it will not stand the test of the Constitution of OUR United States of America. Do you really think it possible those that got this thing on the ballot do not know that?
The behind-the-scenes guys that run the politicians depend on knee jerk reactions from you and me to meet their goals, which is usually to get four more years for someone. Do you ever wonder why a politician will spend millions to get a two hundred thousand a year job? The guys behind the scenes know. So does Amy. Ask her.
Now then, I take back remarks I made in an earlier posting about emergency rooms being used as a clinic. Does that pacify anyone.
Does the above paragraph indicate I may be eligible to be a successful politician?
Has anyone else noticed that the water in their house today is a funny color?
could some one please tell me who put the names with the faces in friday's edition of the summer sports. none of the names match up with the faces! and it doesn't say from top or bottom. So cofusing.
I know there are people who don't have insurance who seem to be "using the ER as their personal clinic" but I doubt even those people are not worried about lack of insurance. I've known a few people who didn't have insurance. It's a terrifying situation to be in, especially if your older.
In fact, those who misuse the ER often don't see themselves as having any other choice. And we all pay the costs. If we're all going to pay anyway, why not provide good, relatively more efficient health care? There might be less abuse of the system if we had a decent system. Seems like it would be good all around.
I thought we were having a good debate about Prop C. I think that that time is past. You are entitled to your opinion on health care reform and I'm entitled to mine.
I stand by my statement that Prop C has NOTHING to do with health care reform and EVERYTHING to do with political positioning at the cost of the taxpayers.
Does anyone know what "victory in Afghanistan" is supposed to look like? Wal-marts and Applebee's?
Leaked documents indicate Afghan war efforts continue to falter. When is enough, enough?
Please note this is not a left wing web site. http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/07/25/...
STOP THE WAR
With all due respect, you are right about federal preemption when talking about health care, but you are simply repeating the same garbage as the rest of the talking heads about Arizona. There are a lot of crimes that are both federal and state crimes. Kidnapping and bank robbery are just two. For the Obama administration to attempt to prevent state authorities from enforcing a state law that duplicates a federal law on immigration is a terrible precedent. Your citing of the civil rights cases and the post civil war case were where the laws contradicted one another. Telling Arizona it can't enforce state laws that memmick federal laws also tells state and local police that they can't enforce laws against kidnapping and bank robbery.
I have noticed during my stay on earth that very few people get what they want but almost all get what they deserve. I am trying to apply that reasoning to this Prop C thing that somehow made it on the ballot. I support Amy in that a "yes" vote will not change the federal law and when the proposition passes, and it surely will, it will only cost the state money when the feds challenge it.
President Obama's healthcare plan will be good for the people that are already bleeding the healthcare system. These are the people that have no insurance and are not worried about getting any. They use the hospital emergency rooms as their personal clinic. I would say these people got what they wanted.
This "Obama Care" will hurt me financially. I am on medicare, fixed income, and can hardly afford what I have now. This big health care plan of Obama's is not what I want. Does that mean I am getting what I deserve?? I had hoped that I deserved better.
Good to hear from a person who is taking the time to do the research necessary to make a decision on their vote.
However, the fact still remains that Prop C is unconstitutional. A state can not defy federal law. It was tried after the Civil War. It was tried in the 1950s with integration. Both times, states failed. It is one of the basis of our government. (For a more recent example, check out what's happening in Arizona. Different topic but same issue -- states can't change federal law.)
So whatever your perspective on health care, if Prop C passes, you and I will be paying for the legal costs when the federal government sues the State of Missouri.
Let me correct myself. I read the following article last week rather than hearing a news report. Someone asked what Prop C was about and I googled it to find out. This is what I found.
I have also now read the ballot question which says,
Shall the Missouri Statutes be amended to:
Deny the government authority to penalize citizens for refusing to purchase private health insurance or infringe upon the right to offer or accept direct payment for lawful healthcare services?
Modify laws regarding the liquidation of certain domestic insurance companies?
It is estimated this proposal will have no immediate costs or savings to state or local governmental entities. However, because of the uncertain interaction of the proposal with implementation of the federal Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, future costs to state governmental entities are unknown.
Fair Ballot Language: A "yes" vote will amend Missouri law to deny the government authority to penalize citizens for refusing to purchase private health insurance or infringe upon the right to offer or accept direct payment for lawful healthcare services. The amendment will also modify laws regarding the liquidation of certain domestic insurance companies.
A "no" vote will not change the current Missouri law regarding private health insurance, lawful healthcare services, and the liquidation of certain domestic insurance companies.
I recieved a mailing from an organization against Prop C in yesterdays mail. It makes the claim that hospitals are forced to take people who don't have insurance thus costing paying patients more. Here is a real easy way to stop that. Pass a law that will allow private health care providers who can't pay to turn non critical cases away. I bet they will find a way to get insurance without the IRS having to step in.
You know folks, I am about as bad as our representatives who can't begin to tell me what is in the new health care bill. I haven't read the amendment but instead listened to a news story that basically said that prop c was a referendum on Obama care. If it fails, liberals would use the the failure as proof that the people want Obama care. If it passes conservatives will say that it is proof that missourians don't want Obama care. Based on that news report, I am for prop c.
I know what a health care benefit costs an employer. I know the penalty for not providing it is less. How many employers will pay the penalty and drop the coverage. Obama has said that if you like your present coverage, you can keep it. According to NFIB, that is right until the first time you go try to shop your coverage. Then you come under government oversight.
Eight times during the 2008 campaign Obama promised that the health care bill wouldn't be written behind closed doors. "We're gonna put it on C-Span". He lied! At the very least he failed to keep an important promise! The day the health care bill was finally passed all of the health care stocks went up.
You can argue the pros and cons of prop c all day, but before you do just answer the C-Span question and give me one paragraph that can honestly defend Obama's credibility in this matter. Just one!
You tell it!
In spite of how I sometimes end up being enveloped by the dark clouds, I always try to keep this advice in mind:
One more point: what makes you think that the local elected officials who proposed Proposition C care about getting the message to the federal government? It's just another ploy to use the local citizens, welding the weapons of fear and loathing.
With some exceptions, I have not been impressed with many of the elected official's actual care about the citizens they represent. In my opinion, Missouri is a mess with the laws that are on the books. If people researched the Hancock Amendment, the law passed last year about assessment or the recently proposed ethics amendment, I believe they would be appalled and outraged.
I don't have a simple answer for your question about how to get through to the powers that be. (Although I think that if more people exercised their right to vote, things would be considerably different. I get so frustrated by the people who don't vote and want to complain.)
I can tell you that when a similar item to Proposition C was raised in neighboring Arkansas, the governor and the attorney general refused to allow it to be placed on the ballot. Their reasoning was that it would ultimately end up with the state being sued by the federal government and cost lots of money.
In this economic situation, why would any elected official do something that would increase the state (read: the taxpayers) financial burden? Why are Parents As Teachers Program and the school budgets across the state being cut? Why are the teachers facing the loss of the Career Ladder funds?
What are they going to have to cut next to pay for this frivolous waste of the taxpayer's money?
To Amy Crump,
You might be right about Prop C never standing. But I will vote for it simply because the political party in power today has absolutely no interest in representing the views of the majority of the people in the US. They passed a health care bill. The people got to see the debates on CSpan just like the President promised.
They just this week signed a financial regulatory overhaul that does nothing to prevent the meltdown of 2008. It will make banks and credit card companies jump through a few more
hoops. But it will also put enough extra burden on small
banks that the Community Banks and Wood &Hustons of the
world will become just another branch of City Bank or Bank
of America. Goldman Sacks is the most frequent visitor to the Oval Office these days. They are writing the regulations. If you don't believe me look at the list of people visiting the White House that our President promised to post so all could see.....oh yea....we seem to have forgotten that too.
How about immigration? Marshall now has a sizable Hispanic population. To me those folks seem like hard working, God fearing, good people. But I don't know if they Are legal or not. If they are paying taxes or not. If they are an excess burden on the hospital, on terms of paying for services or not. I would appreciate it if the Democrat News would investigate the impact that hispanics are having on our area, positive or negative...I for one see lots of positives. But there may be negatives that I don't see. How about some reporting? 65% of the people in the country though support Arizona in their immigrant struggle. But our President wants to fight with Arizona over their state laws rather than enforce federal laws.
As stated earlier, you might be right about prop C being unenforcible, but how the heck else do you propose to get the attention of the boneheads who run our government?
It's evident (and has been for decades) that everyone has a different perspective on the health care issue.
But the point here is that regardless of your perspective, Proposition C has NOTHING to do with healthcare reform.
Proposition C is unconstitutional. It's just a ploy but certain political figures so they can tell their constituents that they "fought the good fight" against health care reform. Then they sit back and watch the individual citizens pay for the court costs when the federal government sues the state.
It's just another way that certain elected officials are screwing over us all while looking themselves good.
Let's be clear here -- the people who initiated Proposition C are aware it doesn't have a chance to actually stop healthcare reform.
Spraying chemicals into the air that quite possibly give your kids cancer.
Sunday morning...6:30 am....a crop duster flies low over my residential neighborhood.
I was thinking mostly about the news reports of the clinics along the border in South Texas providing free services to Mexican citizens who routinely come across the border for such aid.
What I wonder is how accurate are those reports. As we well know, some news people are considerably less than objective about reports the facts, so I'm always questioning the accuracy of that type report.
I would have no idea about the documentation by clinic personnel of who their patients are and where they come from.
Personally, I don't see the reason for anyone objecting to another human receiving medical treatment when it's needed, regardless of the circumstances.
At this very minute I have the Time magazine cover image in my mind of the South Vietnamese army officer executing a suspected North Vietnamese soldier. I know, that has no connection with someone receiving free medical treatment, but it's indicative of a way of thinking, and that's troublesome to me.
ND - You may know the answer to this question:
Has the federal government attempted to create a system to recover from other countries the costs associated with providing health-welfare benefits to foreigners in this country either temporarily (visa, etc.) or illegally?
we need to keep medicare and medicaid just stop giving it to illigals, non residents of this country and people here on visas or green cards.
The federal immigration act which Missouri adopted states that you may come, you may work to better your self but you will not be a burdon on the united states goverment. No food stamps, no health care, no welfare, nothing. You come you work you get citizen ship you enjoy your freedom, get to pay taxes just like all the natural born american citizens.
Is anyone else as both appalled and disappointed as me that the State of Missouri has allowed the travesty of Proposition C on the ballot. By all means, let's pretend that a state has the constitutional right to countermand federal law (because it's been so successful in the past. Case in point: during the Reconstruction in the 1860s and close to a hundred years later during integration in the 1950s.) and that the so-called savings this proposition will created will not be spent in the courtroom when the federal government sues the State of Missouri. Guess who gets to pay that bill? Missouri residents!!!
I heard a rumor a while back that someone was considering a new multi-plex here in town. Anyone else heard about that?
I talked to Dan Vermillion Friday. I can't remember the exact date, but I think he said it would be about four weeks or so when B&B closes it.
Marshall Cinema is closing.
Night Sky, refresh my memory. I don't recall your mentioning if your friend directly told you that a precedure would be/had been performed. If that's the case, then your impression of the result would have been solicited. Otherwise, I go along with Litlmiss, KF, and Cheetah - "You look great, and it's good to see you again!"
1. I think they should spray birth control over the cities....
2. As for someone who had a procedure to remove wrinkles... if I knew them well enough to notice I would know them well enough to not worry about what to say and would be more inclined to make a comment comparing them to Joan Collins or some other person with 100s of procedures under their belt.
Cheetah, obviously? Why does it seem so obvious to you? If it were someone I know well, I'd know what to say. I haven't seen the person yet but will in the next few weeks. I asked the question to get advice on what others would do in a similar situation. One person might be proud to acknowledge that they've had facial surgery while another might not want it mentioned.
K.F. and litlemissme, thanks for your replies. They make sense and I feel comfortable with that response.
Cheetah, comparing someone who's had cosmetic surgery to someone with a disfigurement? You're comparing apples to oranges. I'd know what to say and how to act in that situation. With kindness and compassion.
That entered my mind, ambsun. I appreciate your advise. I was sort of creeped out the first time, but when it happened again, it really made me even more uneasy.
Night Sky, speaking as a woman in her early 60s, I'd suggest you take litlemissme's advice and just say, "Wow, you look great!" If she wants to share her secret, she will tell you.
I once knew a woman who had the most beautiful aqua-blue eyes - they were quite striking, and everyone who met her always mentioned it. She would always thank them very sweetly, but it was not until after her death that her niece, who was a friend of mine, revealed the secret - they were tinted contact lens. At first, I was a little offended that she hadn't let us in on it, but then I realized it was a harmless little fiction that hurt no one and gave her, in her declining years, a little bit of happiness I'm sure she deserved.
Maybe if you said wow you look great. That you be enough said. If they care to talk about the anti-aging they will mention it.
Question: If you know, and it's obvious, that someone had facial surgery to remove wrinkles around the eyes, do you acknowledge that when you see the person and compliment them or ignore it totally and act like nothing is different?
This is a person in their early 60s, a woman. I am curious what others would do, and what is proper etiquette.
Replying to oneofmany
My husband and I saw your blog and not to scare you but it sounds like maybe they are trying to case your house if they have only targeted your home in your neighborhood . It was smart of you to call the police and hopefully they told you to take precautions . If they come back again try and get a license plate # , what the girl looks like and any other details to help the police out . Hopefully they will move on and wont return .
Twice in the last week, two separate girls have jumped out of cars, run up to my house and offered to show me a product in a aerosol can. I immediately said I was not interested. The first time, I was in my yard and just walked away. Today, a girl jumped out of the passenger side of a white van, ran up to my door and knocked loudly. She could see me at the window so I did answer the door, told her I was not interested, and immediately shut the door. I called the Marshall Police department and was told I needed to know the name of the product they were selling to find out if they had a license to sell it in Marshall. Has anyone else had this happen to them? Did anyone else listen to their sales pitch to find out what they were pushing? I hate this kind of solicitation. In fact, they did not appear to be doing a door-to-door thing because I was the only house in my neighborhood they hit on.
Thanks, mofireman, that is the most useful information to appear in the blog for a while.
.....and I like any excuse to jack with my insurance man so thanks again.
Has anyone check with their home insurance company to see if their home owners insurance has went down on price since the fire dept in marshall has a new truck with the CAFS OR compressed air foam system on it. Pierce who builted the truck stated that the I.S.O. or insurance rating should go down because of less water damage and putting out the fire faster causing less damage over all saving them money and that the insurance companies should reduce the cost for homeowners insurance.
NanaDot thank you for giving us the opportunity to become aware of these horrendous moral crimes that Wall Street has perpetrated, and continues to perpetrate. Literally starving the children of our world to make more billions. Eee Gads.
Ultimately the moral crime rests with we the people for failing to make ourselves aware of these ugly, greedy crimes. and failing to demand that it be stopped.
I wonder how many even bothered to read the important link you provided. A show of hands please.
I can't even draw stick people well :(
Neat stuff Slater.
Some people are just plain seriously creative in their spare time (complete with panorama):
Ceh, are you trying to scare us to death? If so (perhaps) that is an act of compassion, considering the tidings you bring us.
World Killing Event
Info on Proposition C coming up August 3rd. Educate yourselves and plan to vote. This is a big one for the state of MO.
Not in the least, KF.
I just discovered that Boomer's Radio was unplugged. Too bad! :(
LOL, Slater - at least we're not surprised, are we? :)
Yep, that CNN list contains several suspicious entries, and I didn't even go past the A's.
Here's one version of such a list, according to CNN's Lou Dobbs:
This might not be the most unbiased list, but it's a start.
Does anyone know of a listing of companies that outsource much, if not all, of their product manufacturing offshore/overseas? Someone will tell me to look at the tags to find out where the stuff is made. That is fine. What I want to know is what store/business/company to deal with for "Made in the USA" I remember Sam Walton being proud of buying AMERICAN. That is a thing of the past. There is very little on shelves of any store that I know of that was made in the USA. I do look for the "Union Label" and find it very seldom. What in the world is our GNP based on today?
Hey, Marshallfool89, I have heard the Hab Center is quite haunted. When I was young, I heard stories Bueker was haunted but never witnessed anything. I heard stories from friends who worked at the movie theater that it has spooky happenings, too.
It's a military/industrial complex conspiracy, much like the 1950's bio agent testing done in selected cities around the country. Planes flew over and sprayed chemicals on those cities.
I beleive there is only a small window of opportunity for farmers to get the crops dusted. To some farmers 6 am isn't early.
I am afraid I would be a tad bit irritated to be buzzed at that time of day too, but I understand the reasoning.
WHERE IS THE MOST HAUNTED AREA IN MARSHALL???
Is there only one photo of the demo derby?
Article on the new HS Football coach from the ST Joseph News press dated 12 July 2010....interesting...see URL below.
notgvnasht - I will give you that 6am on a Sunday is too early for most things, crop dusting included! I don't know enough about FAA regulations & such, but I'm curious to know what the minimum clearance is that these guys are supposed to have over houses & trees.
Still, think about the poor guys flying the planes...at least you were still in bed at 6am (although wide-awake)!
Just wondered what the rest of the viewers thought of all the time spent at the demo-derby Saturday evening watching two bobcat skidsteers beating up a car!! Just thought if there wasn't that much participation, filling in with that certainly didn't help. Maybe it is time to move on to something else for next year's fair. Hope the rest of the fair goes better and is more interesting than that!!
Will the MDN be posting the Saline County Fair schedule?
www.marshallnews.com/story/1648372.html and I just updated it.
When will the Oriental Market be open for business?
How did the Pancake Breakfast do the the NB Museum? Boy that is a great Museum.
All this nonsense about the pumps being wrong is always an old debate. People go on and on about the temperature of the fuel being pumped etc., etc.
If you have a complaint about a station then file a complaint with weights and measures within the Dept of Ag and they have a very short time in which to re-calibrate the pump. Plus the fines for messing with a pump are steep and a station manager/owner would be stupid to try to cheat!
I over heard it in a local business. Not sure the womans name though, it was her dog though. Sad though. :( If I come up with anything, I'll suggest she talk to u.
Typo correction: should be *by* MPD. Sorry fellow readers.
I'm wondering if Eric, or any other citizen, knows anything about the dog(s) shot my MPD? I've heard the body count is up to 3 family pets.
I certainly hope Sydney Stonner is settling in to her new gig and digs and will soon have time to post her new adventures to her blog. Traveling vicariously is fun. Even a comment would be welcomed.
Selmac8 (and any others that think they are being overcharged at the gas pump), stop the pump at exactly one gallon. If the pump price is $2.59 9/10, the cost should read $2.60, which is the per gallon price rounded to the nearest penny. If it shows something else, get out your trusty camera phone and take a good close-up picture showing the per-gallon price, the number of gallons, the total charge, and the inspection sticker. Send that in to the state with the name and location of the station and the date and time and file a complaint about the pump and/or station operator. Better yet, stop it again at exactly ten gallons and do the same thing.
After re-reading your post a couple of times, I wonder if there isn't a different issue. I haven't been in Marshall for years (I live in St. Louis now) so I don't know what the popular practices are in that part of the state. Are you looking at the per-gallon price on the pump or the big overhead signs when you say they charge 2 cents per gallon more than advertised? If you are looking at the signs, are they advertising the price as a "cash" price? Are you punching the right buttons on the pump to get that "cash" price or are you putting it on plastic? Not all plastic is equal!
Over here, some (but not all) Phillips stations advertise different cash and credit prices with cash being (usually) 4 cents cheaper. A Phillips credit card, when scanned at the pump, gives you the cash price, not the credit price, yet it shows it as a credit sale on the pump.
Cheetah, the information contained in the link offers the assurance that regulation provides for at least a modicum of oversight. It does seem to me that station owners/operators would be risking their livelihood by tampering with the equipment, as LittleBirdie also pointed out by explaining about the seal. However, as we all know, anything mechanical is subject to fail, sooner or later.
It's a good consumer advisory piece. Thanks for posting it, and thanks to LittleBirdie for the information about the seals. :)
Eric, you guys are the one's who felt the need to state the man's occupation in that particular article. Had you not posted that irrelevant piece of info the question may have never come up yet you accuse me of being inappropriate and ill timed.
I asked a legitimate question regarding info that YOU felt the need to print.
You sir, are a hypocrite.
This is far beyond bickering with the paper or the answer to a question that I raised. All I did was broach the subject. The answer really isn't all that important to me anymore. What is important is why the MDN feels the need to delete the post where the question was raised.
What the ....--- you could call and ask the city of which you are wondering what their policies are regarding this-- you would get the answer you crave and not be bickering with the newspaper-- simple solution.
I merely asked the question Eric, why do you keep removing my post? This is a valid question concerning a public official. You are indeed practicing censorship! I made no negative comments about the individual or the situation. As a citizen I am just curious why a CITY POLICE CHIEF did not live in the city where he was employed? Maybe he's not required to by that city and that's fine, at least that would be an answer to the question I posed. Will you delete this post as well Eric? Will you censor me for merely asking a valid question about a public official?
Here's the whole story about the July 4 disturbance in Alton, IL:
If you look on the pump you should find a sticker that has holes punched for the month and year the pump was checked for calibration by the dept. of weights and measures out of Jefferson City, Mo. They come around at least once a year and check calibration of the pumps and put a seal on the inside where the calibration meater is located. The pump requirements used to be correct to within 2/10 of a gallon when pumping 5 gallons.
Found an answer: http://www.kgbanswers.com/what-does-the-...
I have a gas story. It was late one night, in the winter. I needed to fill my tank. I noticed the meter was running awful slow but the pump sounded normal. In the end, I only paid $8 for a full tank of gas. I let the clerk know something seemed wacky with that pump and went about my way.
Sorry to "butt" into the conversation... but I just heard about an incident in Alton Ill.On July 4th about 10pm a housing complex there reporting a fire and shooting happening and when the police and firemen responded they were showered with fireworks from "100's" of citizens who live in the complex. I looked on line and there was a story in the Alton Newspaper concerning this incident.
BE IT JULY 4TH OR ANY DAY WHAT THE HECK ARE THESE PEOPLE THINKING ABOUT?
Owl12345, you're correct. The fraction refers to the price.
If the pump shows a greater or lesser dollar amount than the posted price (and when would it EVER be less), then the pump needs to be re-calibrated. Go get a gallon of gas for your lawnmower and compare the reading on the pump to the posted price.
If you've filed a written complaint with the two locations and nothing is done, then I'd say it's time to call the law.
Interesting- I have always heard it to be 9/10 of a gallon.
Please, correct me if I am wrong; however, the nine-tenths on the sign is for 9/10ths of a cent. Thus, the price is in fact $2.45 AND nine-tenths of a cent.
Selmac- Are you aware that the price for gas posted on the sign is for 9/10 of a gallon of gas, NOT for a gallon of gas. So, if you put a gallon of gas in your car and check how much you are charged, of course it will me more than what you would be charged for 9/10 of a gallon.
Next time your at a local gas station pump 1 gallon of gas. You will see that Caseys charges atleast 2 cents over the advertised price for it. I have told them acouple times about it and they don't seam to care. Breaktime at 65 and collage is the same way. All so, Is there going to be something about the MASSIVE power outage? One would think that since if effected so much of town there would be.
pennypincher, that's good advice wherever you shop. I've been charged incorrectly at stores all across the board - department stores, grocery stores of all kinds, big box retailers - they all make mistakes and it's up to the customer to be alert.
When shopping at Wal-Marat and you are checking out,watch when they scan your item and look at your receipt. Many times when a item is scanned, its the original higher price, not the "roll back" price or the price that is on the display or shelf.
most of what wal mart is made in china by their prisoners
"A French-based financial institution, AXA, does now hold about 42 million shares of Target stock, but that holding constitutes less than 5% of Target Corporation's outstanding shares." Quoted from "Is It True About Target Stores".
You're right - it is USA-based. My comment was mostly wrong about the money ALL going out of the country. It's still going out of the state. I guess what I'm getting at is that all smaller local competitors need all the help they can get.
I'm puzzled by the comment that our dollars go overseas when we shop at Target. Aren't they headquartered in Minneapolis not far from the original Goodfellows store founded by Dayton?
There is separate ownership on Target stores in Australia.
Replying to K_M
Power went out about 3:30am . Listening to our scanner marshall utilites were talking about a power box on the ground that was knocked over on North St. causing our power to be off for about an hour and 10 min .
WTF - I believe you're on target about Wal*Mart.
I've never seen a business of its size more openly intent on using any tactic to drive every competitor out of business.
The Walton family personifies greed.
Anybody else go to the topless car wash? It was pretty fun! Had to wait longer than I wanted to though.
The power went out all over town. It was most of marshall. Even street lights.
I have noticed the bare shelves also. It seems they are pushing out the brand names & mainly stocking "Great Value" items. I don't know if that is the reason why there's more shelf space or not.... Whatever the case, I have been shopping elsewhere because I want a variety of brands to pick from. (Sorry, to any English majors out there for ending the sentence with a preposition.) I don't like being forced to buy "Great Value."
Our electricity went out for about 30 minutes this morning around 3:00a.m. Anyone know what happened?
The fact that you have to go back for a second trip is probably just what Wal-mart wants.
Do you ever end up with maybe a little more than was on your list in the first place?
Ever notice when they are really busy, say at Christmas and they rarely have enough check outs open? They want you to see long lines and make another lap around the store because then you'll probably end up with more in the cart.
I am not anti-walmart, I feel they keep the local businesses honest as far as competition. Plus, local people work there. Those people shop here in Saline county so as far as I can see Wal-mart serves a vital role in our economy. What Walmart does to our economy was not my question.
My question was what gives with the empty shelves? In the past all shelves were rarely bare and I would generally walk out with completed list. Recently, I see empty spaces on the shelves and have to come back in a day or two to complete my shopping.
Huzzah UpseDaisy, and Slater. Huzzah!
Happy birthday USA. Hip, Hip, Hooray.
With Wal-mart our money goes out of state - with Target it goes overseas. The only answer is to shop locally with merchants who are our peers, helping the economic growth of our own community and creating jobs.
Be nice if Wal-Mart would leave Marshall and be replaced with a Target.
Don't know why Wal-mart has bare shelves, but I can tell you that you can survive by shopping locally at the few remaining stores that have survived - I haven't shopped at the local Wal-mart for almost 2 years. It can be done, and quite successfully.
Is it just me or are the shelves of Walmart bare these days. In the past several months almost everytime I go in there they are out of at least one thing on my list. Today it was three things. What gives.
Wondering what happened on E. Gordon Street last night - a couple of ambulances and a few police cars all with lights on were there, and neighborhood folks were out in force.
Instead of firecrackers, use Explode-A-Pop Popping Corn. It's much safer and a whole lot tastier. :)
EVERYONE - TO YOU I SAY HAVE A HAPPY AND SAFE INDEPENDENCE DAY!!!
pennypincher, here's what google says the url is:
What is the web site for the sex offenders registry? Does that show a map of Marshall/Saline County where these offenders live. And what are the rules/laws they need to follow?
Thanks for the info Smokin'. Do u happen to know how they count the planes? Electronic censor on both runways? Person physically counting? Best guess?
Thanks for that information about local airports.
After what happened on 9/11, I am darn glad they do count them and that we know who is in the sky and when.
Don't they also require that the pilot submit a flight plan?
It seems misleading to me to say the numbers are up, and in all technical purposes I suppose they are. However I can increase a traffic count in a given location by driving back and forth, but the count isn't actually up. Maybe I'm wrong, but for the count to actually be up then they should excuse the same aircraft flying in and out 20 times a day. I realize it's seasonal, and I guess I can understand the wear and tear on the runway. However to get an accurate count the same planes need not be counted over and over again. Respectfully that's all I'm saying.
How are the figures misleading? Crop dusters use the airport. They generate traffic. The numbers very literally are up during crop dusting season. What am I missing here?
And one more thing... To Awake:
I understand it's hard to sleep when that's going on. I get what you're saying, & I know changing to a day shift is not always an option & I sympathize with you. My suggestion is trying some white noise, the tv, radio or earplugs or maybe take a sleep aid. Those things have always helped me when I needed it, maybe they'll help you too.
I live in the middle of a growing cornfield, and to me this is just part of rural living, kinda like the gravel dust. You know I could complain about people driving down my gravel road covering everything with dust when I'm out in the yard or when I have the windows open, but if I did then I suppose I'd be told to either get used to it or move to town.
To me this is the midwest at its best. When I go home everyday and see the growing crops in the field, there's just a sense of pride for my county and my country, knowing that we have some of the best farmland around and our farmers are making the most of it.
I do not farm, I am not married to a farmer, and none of my relatives farm. I simply live in rural Saline County, with my house in the middle of someone else's cornfield, and I love it.
And you know what? I don't mind having to slow down for that tractor, sprayer, combine or grain truck on the road in front of me. You want to know why? Because they are just trying to do what I'm trying to do - make a living, and provide for their family. But they're also doing more...they are contributing to our country. That is a lot more than most of us can say about what we do for a living.
My advice is to embrace the American Farmer and all that comes with them, because that industry is not going anywhere, and like it or not this country needs them.
spraying is a seasonal and not long lived activity each summer. by the time all of the arguments are made and responded to, the planes should be out of your neighborhood and on down the road, so to speak. rest (pun intended) assured - they'll be out of your (h)air soon enough.
Well hell it's no wonder the count is "up". It's really not though, shame they were misleading. Figures though.
My husband used to work at night, and might I make a few suggestions? Earplugs are a HUGE help...we also are lucky enough to have a finished basement, so he frequently slept on the futon down there to help with noise & light. Also, we used a white noise machine - you can probably get one at Wal-mart.
I'm sure the crop dusters are annoying, but since they aren't going away, perhaps these suggestions will help you get some sleep. Good luck!
When they douse us by air with these pesticides, weed killers and whatever else they spray on the crops around here, losing sleep would be the last of my worries. My kids and loved ones breathing in this stuff would be more towards the top of a list.
I'm sure they are safe though or they wouldn't using it on us.(wink, wink) No wonder this area seems to have a higher than normal cancer rate.
why not? the whole world stops for you day people at night...... those of you not complaining are either making money in relation to these crops OR do not live in the direct path.......
I recall reading about how the traffic is up in count at the airport. Stupid question but does every time one of the spray planes take off count as an aircraft? Or is the count actually up? It just doesn't seem like that much traffic comes in and out of here.
awake-- I understand your problem but... this is life---it is what it is.. turn a fan on or put in ear plugs-- I know lack of sleep can make you cranky but it is easily dealth with
I appreciate the article in todays paper about fireworks but, where does it say $50 in the ordinance?
It shall be unlawful for any person to store over fifty dollars ($50.00) worth of the following materials: firecracker, torpedo, bomb, rocket, pinwheel, fire balloon, roman candle, toy cannon or any other fireworks within the city, except as provided in section 12-56.
(Ord. No. 5745, § 5, 10-19-81)
well, you people that enjoy the crop dusters must not work nights and try to sleep during the day......Instead of taking the long path over land only when they take out from the airport, they swoop down and bank a few hundred feet over my roof! I will find out where they live and make plenty of noise outside of their house while they are trying to sleep at night! disrespectful people!
Recently I came across a folder of guitar music attributed to the principality of Asturias in Spain, so when I did a search I found this nice video featuring Andres Segovia. Enjoy... :)
notgvnasht - Now that's funny...and nothing like what you said last time this subject came up.
Most of the airplanes doing crop spraying are here helping Mr. Dyer handle his volume of business. The airplane with the turboprop (jet engine) is an interloper here to try to take Mr. Dyer's business away.
Do you like to eat?
I know they are loud, but they are impressive to watch! I had one in my part of the countryside this morning & I couldn't help stopping what I was doing just to watch for a while. It was a one man air show that you sure won't see in the city!
My husbands tells me that one of the crop dusting planes has a jet engine... so it's real quiet:)
I love hearing the crop dusters! Reminds me of why I love living in the country so much. Live in the big city and you get to hear gunshots, sirens, big jets flying overhead, buses, etc. Don't get me started on the "smells" of the big city! Ambsun, take a deep breath and count to 10. Then, it will be OK!
Does anyone have an idea how much longer we all have to hear the crop duster guy every stinkin day starting at 6:30 in the morning ? And dont let me forget about the new icecream van driving around all afternoon ringing his new bell . I liked it when it was quiet around here .
Pidge, my mother-in-law said "woish."
Missouri Fireworks Regulations:
Anybody truth to the rumors about INS nosing around in town? Either Conagra or Excel?
just for everyone that would like to know alma is having a babycontest friday the 2nd register from 5-5:45 contest starts at 6 it will be at the bandstand in alma park
Please advise. There seems to be a disconnect between the FD and PD. Marshall PD says there is no ordnance and no plans to enforce this storage ordnance, but there is obviously some sort of code. Is this code a criminal offense or what? What is the bottom line here? I am a concerned fireworks enthusiast who doesn't want to violate the law....
I checked with the Marshall Police Department (30JUL2010/1200pm) and a gentleman named Mike who answered my request told me that the city of Marshall does not have an ordinance that limits what fireworks a person stores or a quantity a person possess to include a monetary value. I just wanted to make sure the latest information was out there for fellow bloggers to decide for themselves if they would like to celebrate the birth of our country using $1 or $500 worth of fireworks. I myself will be blowing up as much stuff as I can, within the limits of the law....I just hope I don't have a PTSD moment....just kidding that one was for all my fellow brother and sisters in uniform and you will be in my thoughts and prayers this holiday weekend.
What about transporting fireworks in your car thru the city of Marshall?
notgvnasht I am wondering where you would live that you would see kids running around unsupervised with fireworks? You sound a little frustrated. I don't drink beer, my family enjoys fireworks and we usually have a large crowd at our house in the country on the 4th of July shooting fireworks. It is my son's favorite holiday and he has 10 fingers and toes.
Sec. 12-55. Storage prohibited.
It shall be unlawful for any person to store over fifty dollars ($50.00) worth of the following materials: firecracker, torpedo, bomb, rocket, pinwheel, fire balloon, roman candle, toy cannon or any other fireworks within the city, except as provided in section 12-56.
Has anyone heard of an ordinance that does not allow the possession of fireworks in Marshall? I knew you could not shoot them but possess them?
Darn, Cheetah! I wish I'd known Pier 1 was having that sale! I wouldn't mind having one of my own. :)
Gal66 and all you gun toters:
I see the high cour today ruled against state and local governments posing any threat to your right to have your guns.
However, you may still have to worry about Obama coming after them. (heh heh)
does anyone know when the hab center is doing their fireworks and what the surounding towns are doing for the forth like alma and miami
Excuse me separate, not seperate.
OKR, you've addad a whole nuther layer to this. :)
Cheetah! You and that box you got from Pandora!!
Hey ND, don't apologize for good ol' Marie. You know, come to think of it, I think I know of a right fair female contestant in Slater!!! :)
Oral Roberts, of all people how could I have forgotten him. Come to think of it he may have been the progenitor for all the look a like preachers here in Oklahoma.
Funniest thing there are also a bunch of used car salesman with pompadours down here. Of course a lot of them are at least part time fundamentalist preachers, so maybe the car guys shouldn't be a seperate category.
Jack Lord of "Hawaii Five O" comes to mind. I'm with Bobby Kennedy giving the nod to Buster Poindexter as the winner. The only ones that I have seen to rival him are a whole bunch of Pentacostal Preachers down here in this neck of the woods. Some of those dudes, and ladies on "send your dollars to the Lord" TV also have the look cold.
Buster Poindexter. www.youtube.com The winner by a hair.
What about Rod Roddy, Charlotte Rae, Phyllis Diller, Ann B. Davis, and Marion Ross just to add a few.
Yep, he had a good one, too.
What about evel knievel?
Nick Nolte, George "Gabby" Hayes...this is stretcchhhin' my old pea brain!
Sorry, Smokin...I didn't read your post before I spoke. At least now I corroborated your pick of Willie Nelson!
Smokin and Slater, how about Porter Wagoner...he had a pretty up there in the air hair style and believe it or not, when I was about 8 or 9 years old, Willie Nelson had a show (or it could have been reruns) and he had a kind of pompadour style and wore the shiney spangle suits.
I'd forgotten about Twitty. Say, it seems like I recall that Johnny Cash had a pretty good one goin' once upon a time.
Hey NB! You just about covered the bases with all those!
Well, let's see, Cheetah...how about Fabian, Frankie Avalon, um... Would Ken Wahl count?
Smokin, that's easy. The most famous Elvis Presley, of course. James Dean, Little Richard, The "Fonz", Ricky Nelson, John Travolta in "Grease" and with that flaming red hair, how about Lucille Ball? Those are just a few from the past, presently, Rhianna. How about it...anybody else want to walk down memory lane?
Hey, whatever gets you through the day.
Hey all -
I'll be visiting Marshall in August, along with my children, ages 2 & 6. What are the "must-sees" in the area?
To the person who had total knee replacement surgery:
Let us know how you are progressing. I had both knees replaced on the same day four years ago. I felt somewhat better each day. Soon I was able to walk again and it continues to be a thrill to walk miles each day w/o pain.
If you are a woman avoid wearing nylons--it is astonishingly painful on the incisions. About six weeks after surgery, I wore hose, out of respect, to attend a memorial service for a dear person.
Hope you are feeling better each and every day. PT and water therapy after the incisions heal will help. Cheers.
wtf the beginning was when God created the heaven and the earth. That happened 6000+ years ago. What is the apparent age of the earth? Some say millions and some say billions either one could be right. Man was created on the sixth day so I guess we missed the beginning by about 5 days.
No one truly knows when "the begining" was.
I don't know and neither do you. Spare me any scripture or biblical references. They offer no proof either, only ancient conjecture from a time when the earth was though to be flat.
On the subject of posts being removed. Eric has become quite Napoleonic in that regard. Lately,it seems as if his opinion is the only one that matters. Absolute power corrupts absolutley.
Come on sc when was the beginning?
I saw a group of about 30 young girls at Mazzio's last night that are in town for a girls wrestling camp at Missouri Valley. I thought this was really interesting. Is there anymore information out there? Has the newspaper written anything about this camp?
well seeing how a simple question was removed eithout any explantion tells me some people don't wish to have a logical conversation - debate over life and going ons in the world so i belive i will keep my oppions to myself where they truely matter
hpoe eveyone has a nice day
sc when did time begin? I'll survive even if you don't accept it.
More "Mock The Dummy" links at Politics Speak Out.
Really funny satire? Take a chance, click on the link. http://www.youtube.com/user/MockTheDummy...
Does anyone know if Highway 240 near Glasgow is still open? There was some water over the road and I'm wondering after our latest round of storms if it is still open. Unsure after looking at MoDot's Traveler's Map.
Midnites attitude is not depressing, it's honest. Life isn't all butterflies and rainbows in fairytale land. Anti depressants don't help the truth! I believe those are half the problem for people not seeing what really goes on around them.
The things midnite talks about happens, whether you have a positive attitude or not.
I believe the saying "Walk a mile in someone else's shoes" sure does apply here.
Also notgvnasht and rr3 I'm not that big on religion as you are probably thinking. I do belive in god and satan heaven and hell but divine intervention and all that no people choose how to live there lives.
Who and how do we determine than who to get rid of?
Save the people in towns with a population 50 or less where do you draw the line?
People are people no matter where you live and as far as I can see there isn't that much good amungst them. I'm not sayin eveyone is bad,evil,or crooked I'msayin the majority.
I lived in Wooldridge,Mo. quite a few years ago pop.54 I do belive that included all the cats,dogs and natural wildlife,but anyhow I was shot at by my neighbor for defending my dog wich I had chained up in the yard,when I cought my neighbor shooting at him with a b.b. pistol for barking at him.
As for antidepresants no thanks tried them most people are nicly put jerks antidepressants just numb the mind to where you don't care enough to notice.
Some quotes I like and may be related to recent discussion:
"I prefer the wicked rather than the foolish. The wicked sometimes rest." Alexandre Dumas
"I respect faith, but doubt is what gets you an education." Wilson Mizner
"Where it is a duty to worship the sun it is pretty sure to be a crime to examine the laws of heat." John Morley
"Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already tomorrow in Australia." Charles Schultz
Yes I have. All of my life. They can't handle the fact that I am just not one of them. Thanks but no thanks.
wtf have you ever been beat down by a Christian trying to convert you? Tell you what I'll beat you up a little bit this morning and invite you to go to church. Ouch that hurt!!!
I think the reverse is more accurate.
Christians have been trying to beat down and eliminate (through conversion)these so called "non-believers" since the begining of time. If you are going to play the presecution card, make sure you've been dealt an appropriate hand.
Religion is a business. Nothing more,nothing less.
I'm always interested in conversations about how the world is going to h*** in a handbasket.
I did most of my growing up in a small town of around 1,000 citizens. Many still leave their doors unlocked even today. It was a good place to grow up. But guess what -- no place is perfect! I still remember a girl being raped and murdered (by a stranger) when I was in middle school. There were (and still are) plenty of alcoholic, abusive parents and spouses committing crimes in the privacy of their own homes.
It's good if you can view the world with basic trust but it's foolish to leave your doors unlocked as a sign of that trust. Did you know that a huge percentage of home invasions are avoided by a locked door?
It's just a delusion that the world ever was a safe place. It can be a wonderful place but you have to take responsibility for your own safety.
notgvnasht the world has tried to beat down and eliminate Christians since the beginning of time. But Christians have prevailed and even in death Christians prevail. Religion is only a problem when you want to eliminate it.
midniterebel I agree with you God wiped us out once except for 8 people because of sin and corruption. God promises upon his return that it will happen again. I am fortunate to live in small town America where you know and trust your neighbor and we leave our door unlocked but those areas are disappearing.
This post is going out to eveyone:
Please don't remove any posts that are directed towards myself and myself only.
I assure one and all you WILL NOT or CANNOT offend me.
Unless there is profanity that might offend others, we all have oppions and I'd like to hear what others have to say about mine.
However I will do my very best not to offend or hurt anyones feelings if I do please remove the post with a short expanation as to why so I may correct myself.
Thank You for your time
I appreciate the feed back but why would it be deleted? I don't see where I insuled or degrated anyone,just stating facts with a little bit of oppinion.
If I'm incorrect about this PLEASE tell me.
There is nothin wrong with me.
I look around me and see how we are destroying the earth, can't trust the cops,religous teachers,teachers,(no I didn't stutter),neighbors etc.etc.etc... with our childern anymore.
I remember growin up in big cities on Holloween you could eat your goodies before it hit the bottom of your bag, now you have to take it the hospital to have fruit x-rayed I'm surprised they don't offer chemical testing for the candy.
People didn'tlock their doors at night, it was safe to walk out in the parks at 3a.m. if you wanted.
Now days people are being shot for lookin at someone wrong,gettin beat and burned for a few bucks(not tryin to open any old wounds for any people sorry if it does) and that's right here in Marshall small town U.S.A.
Yes a realize crime has been around since the begining of time but it appears to be getting worse everyday.
I WILL NOT apoligize for not looking at the world through rose colored glasses. Yes thereis still good people out here doing trying to do good things I just feel that anymore the bad unfortunatly is outweighing the good.
I hope that this post puts your mind at ease that the wotld is safe at least from myself I can't speak for the other crazies that trully do need a shrink.
Re: appetizer for all of us fake food lovers
Hopefully they will make a variety with the smoke gene.
I really don't see how S.C is comparring this girl to Jesus.
I know a guy at 16 he worked 2 parttime jobs and went to school full time to help take care of his younger brother and two sisters because his folks just had trouble makin ends meet.
There are some youth that pay attention to thier suroundings and have a maturity and wisdom above thier years of experiance,and if a person don't or can't relize this I feel sorry for them for they are more sinacle than me, and trust me that's bad. I trully believe God needs to wipe us all out and start over hoping the new model does better.
And I'm not a cheerleader.
A appetizer for all of us fake food lovers:
The caption under my senior year photo in the yearbook says,
"Why take life seriously? You'll never get out of it alive, anyway."
kf no indication she was schooled that way. Sorry!
Sc so you are comparing this child to Jesus? No comparison! I see you got a cheerleader. lol
Thanks for the heads up mate!
Regarding your last comment...right on, right on, right on!!
FYI !! Girls Fastpitch Softball Fans !! This Sat. 06/26 at 10:00 AM in Marshall Parks Field #3 Marshall Girls Travel Team the X-treme will play a double header against Hale !! come out and enjoy the games :]
Schooled in those beliefs? Oh, you mean as other children are who are taught to pray, to sing hymns, to recite the pledge of allegiance, to sing the national anthem? Schooled like that?
stumped did you have a mature perception of the world and what was happening in it at 13 years of age? That girl had been schooled in those beliefs to make that kind of speech.
Well, I'm stumped...what does 13 have to do with anything?
oops missed a word post should read "sc I'm sorry" at the beginning.
sc I'm if you are thin skinned but at 13 years old you are not guided by your mature perception of the world you and what is happening in it. I guess anyone that cries that they are offended by a post it will be deleted. I was just giving an honest opinion nothing personal.
taxedpayer: "Collapse" brought it all into focus for me for the first time. Diamond makes clear that continued abuse of the earth and its resources has only one result - disaster. His description of what happened on Easter Island and the stark and easily visible damage done to Haiti, but not to its neighbor, the Dominican Republic, are more than sufficient proof.
cheetah et al
i picked up a little bookmark at a great plains lakota-sioux mission school a few years ago. it reads - "treat the earth well: it was not given to you by your parents, it was loaned to you by your children. we do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children." attributed as an "ancient indian proverb." good words to live by i suspect.
being good stewards of the earth is also scriptural and should be important to any serious practitioner of judo-christian ideals and teachings.
shalom to all -
Just re-read your comment, rr3...
I was wrong. Actually, your point is not the opposite of Diamond's. You're both riight. Societies don't end because we *use* oil and coal and other natural resources. We have to use them to survive. Societies fail when they *misuse* the resources they have.
I found this book interesting:
Collapse by Jared Diamond
he makes the opposite case you do, saying evidence shows societies that have failed have one thing in common: mismanagement of resources.
I always suspect our resources are more bountiful than radical environmentalist doomsayers proclaim, but not nearly as resilient and boundless as corporate miners proclaim.
Caution when reaping is a survival trait.
news i agree mankind will end but it won't be because we use oil and cut down trees and burn coal.
The World is not going to end because of what we are doing to it. Mankind will end. We will cease to exist as a species, but the Earth is very good at recovering and will do so...minus mankind. Unless of course we do something now to stop Big Business from wiping us out.
We owe it to our children to leave them a sustainable World where they can live healthy and free.
midniterebel I said we had dominion over it not to destroy it. All the resources we use are here for us to use if we run out of something God will provide for us always has and always will. The end of this earth as we know it is coming but in God's time not our time.
You apppear to be a religous person, if this is Gods earth that he created what gives us the right to destroy it the way we are?
How well would you like to have someone come into your home chinsaw YOUR furniture, burn YOUR pictures, or smash YOUR nick-nacks?
Please one standard for all.
I JUST HOPE EVERYONE HAS A WONDERFUL FRIDAY! IT'S TIME FOR ALL OF US TO JUST TAKE A DEEP BREATH, SIT IN THE SUN FOR A BIT, HAVE A COOL DRINK AND RELAX!!!! LET YOUR BRAINS REST FOR THE WEEKEND!!
wtf what are we doing in the name of heaven??
where did our children get it???
Thank you for posting that quote. You really hit the nail on the head.
"We did not inherit the earth from our ancestors. We are borrowing it from our children."
Those are words we should all live by.
By all means. Onward christian soldier.
Do it in the name of heaven, you can justify it in the end.
Gag me with a spoon,indeed.
Oh, okay. Thanks for getting me on the right highway, Green Eyes. :)
All I remembered is that it's the one that goes to Jeff City. When I lived in KC I made a business trip to Jefferson City once, and I drove on that highway. Lucky that I made it to my destination, not knowing the right highway number.
Thank you News. Such a powerful message.
Every one who reads this blog should stop for a few minutes, and click the link.
This child's message transcends politics, religion, and philosophy. It drives to the heart of our very existence.
I suggest that others who watch it may wish to copy the link, and e mail it to others.
Here is the link again just to make it easy.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQmz6Rbpnu0&NR=1
Slater, I do believe it's 50 Hwy. in Sedalia that intersects east-west. East to California/Jefferson City and west to Knob Noster/Warrensburg.
"The girl who silenced the world for 5 minutes"
Such wisdom from the brilliant mind of a child seem to have fallen upon deaf ears.
Perhaps we should all be ashamed of ourselves for not listening.
I actually know very little about Sedalia except that Hwy. 54 goes through it east-west and Hwy. 65 north-south. I've been to the downtown area only once in my lifetime, and to the State Fair three or four times. :)
Upsedaisy, I'm not sure what architectural styles can be found in Alamo Heights. I've not spent much time over in that area, but I suppose one or two classics might be there.
Yes, I was referencing Wright's prairie style architecture.
His influence on style is evident in many variations, but the true prairie house is a work of art in my eyes.
Thanks for the tip, NB. The next time I'm up that way I'll see if I can find it, and I'll also go have another look at the window-in-the-chimney.
Slater & Upsedaisy,
There is at least one prairie style home in Marshall that I am aware of. That is, Slater, if you were meaning the "prairie style" architecture of Frank Lloyd Wright? It is on the corner Rea and Stonehaven or? In that neighborhood anyway. It was built in the early 70's by the Leuthye family, that owned and operated the A&W. Another house or two that kind of fits that category would possibly be one on East Lacy, between N. Brunswick and N. Lincoln Streets. However, I believe one of them has been renovated and doesn't look as it originally did.
"U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study"
"Americans spend 'twice as much' on health care as other developed nations."
Bungalow or prairie style? There are bungalows in Marshall. If memory serves me well, Sedalia may have more prairie style homes.
A style found in Alamo Heights in San Antonio? Or is that a faulty memory?
Perhaps, in addition to the pond garden tour this weekend, which will benefit the Jim Wonder Dog park, organizers can plan a house tour to get people out of their cars to view the intriguing architectural details of some of Marshall's homes.
Slater, yep the tin ceiling is half completed, got some new latern-type sconces around the barn walls, am even going to make some countryish curtains myself and I haven't sewn anything in probably 30 years! Doing some updating upstairs also, ripping down wallpaper, painting and such. We took out the pool table and the old juke box, so we will definitely be able to seat a lot more people, got a flame broiler, and have to update the sprinkler system for that. Still won't be fancy, but A+ for atmosphere and hominess I'm hoping. So all in all, it's getting done.
I didn't crash my son's lap top, my grandson spilled a full glass of milk on it...and it was very old, so that did it in. My daughter crashed her own computer, just happened while I was there. And mine would work, the virus just blocked my browser to couldn't get on the internet.
Thanks also to Oklahoma for your well wishes. And, Zeke, the only real 'June bug' jab was cute, made me laugh :)!
You had us a little nervous by your extended absence, but I'm glad all is well now.
What's all the clanging and banging going to produce? Are you finally getting that tin ceiling put up?
Yes, the Blalocks may wonder what all the fuss is about. I'm glad to finally have the answer to a question that's been pending for, let's see, oh 60 years probably.
By the way, 26er, I called Wally and alerted him to your "casing" activity. He say proceed at will. :)
Not a lot is new here - just trying to get some updating done on the house. We spent about 3 years arguing over materials, furniture, colors, etc. but FINALLY got agreement on enough to get thhings started. The downstairs is nearly finished (awaiting the arrival of a new front door), and now we're about ready to tackle the upstairs. I should've known this was going to turn into a year-long project!
Sounds as if you have the "magic touch" where computers are concerned. Wow! Three of them, eh? I'm surprised Eric let's you sign in. :)
Gotta get the critter's bedtime snack ready. I'm pleased that you're back. :)
Zeke, I've heard of Utopia, and I believe it's west of San Antonio, out around Uvalde. Haven't been there, but someone in the Speak Out forum once mentioned Utopia to me.
What's out there, a naturist center or something? (heh heh)
ever heard of utopia texas
had a friend who loved that place
maybe it was a june bug?
NB at the risk of crashing my computer...welcome back.
Are you trying to cause a traffic jam on Eastwood Steet? HA!
How are you? To update you a bit...the kids enjoyed their trip immensely from what a few of them told me. They went to the Alamo, and the Riverwalk??? Mall and sites around that area. And, no I don't have the picnic tables finished, have to be redone, however, major remodel going on, right beneath me, claning and banging! Will have to get to it when I can. Appreciate your's and Upsedaisy's concern if I were well (in a post from quite some time ago). Was in Chi town for a while with family, came down with a bug, came home, got better, computer crashed! As a matter of fact it was a domino effect...my son's computer quit while in Chicago, came home...visited my daughter in Warrensburg, while there her computer crashed, went back to Chicago for a week, came home, my computer crashed. Do you think I may be a Jinx?
Thank you very much, GettinAround, and thanks to SalineNative for the information about the purpose of that window.
I don't have any vivid memory of the fluted columns on the porch, however, but they'd offer a distinctive quality to the facade.
Does anyone know of any prairie style houses in Marshall? That's been my favorite for a lot of years.
The house is on the south side of Eastwood and the chiimney is on the east side of the house, so it would be easier to see it from the car if you're traveling west (and if you aren't being tailgated by an impatient driver).
Hey! Be careful out there! :)
Slater and others,
The house in question belongs to Dr. Blalock. It is at 526 East Eastwood and indeed contains a beautiful arched window that sits right in the center of the chimney at the second floor level.
The Blalocks have lived there since the mid 1960's. I played in the neighborhood off and on as a child, have driven that street all of my adult life, and have never noticed the window until it was mentioned in this conversation.
Green Eyes - !!! I did the same after work, from the Buckner house to the Blosser home !!! Had a car behind me at one point and some people were out walking their dog. They probably thought I was casing the neighborhood !!!
There is something similar to what is being described on the house on corner of Eastwood and Lincoln (on northwest corner). I plan to get a better look at it while on break today if I can. I am acquainted with the person living there so maybe I can find out what the plan is - from the outside it appears as if there is a small area on the outside where window is, with flue behind it, but cannot imagine why it would be designed that way. Will repost if am able to check it out, and will also go to 500 block and check out that one.
I drove down Eastwood yesterday looking at all the houses. It was a quick left, right, left, right with my head. Very dangerous, I know. I didn't see a window-chimney either.
Using Google Earth, I looked at every house on the south side of the 500 block of Eastwood, but did not find a window in a chimney.
Perhaps the chimney is obscured by the foilage which is quite lush.
I do not recall what the house looked like.
Perhaps some of the other posters who are familiar with Google Earth and know what the house looks like, could take a look and direct us to the Google Earth camera address.
Hello Upsedaisy, and thanks for the plug. Lately I've found myself dredging through the past and pulling out mostly-forgotten items which have held over, pending some sort of resolution, like that window in the chimney, for instance.
I've missed out on filling out a few unfinished items about Slater and some people I knew as a kid because I drug my feet and now everyone who could answer my questions is gone, so now when one of those holdovers pops up, I put it out for feedback.
Yes, I'd like to know more about the inside of that house, and maybe we will.
Notgvnst consider them educated, at poor Cory's expense. There are odd twists to things. It may be that this tragedy may save another youth's life.
Thanks for bringing a historical perspective to this forum. Perhaps, the present owners could share the history of the home and/or would agree to a photograph of their home. It sounds very intriguing.
I remember the Georgia Bloesser Home and thought that it was still standing on my last visit to Marshall (Sept 2006).
i think that the schools should use the tragady of that child drowning as a lesson to other children. I know when i was a child my family took me to that same creek to swim cause we couldnt afford to go to the pool..the owners of the property put up a no trespassing sign and a fance so they wasnt responsable for any accidents
There may be an ordinance about the noise comming from steros and such but like so many others they are only enforced when Johnny Law feels like it wich is vey seldom,or it seems like it anyway.
Thanks, SalineNative. I was talking to my wife, asking her if she remembers that house (no, she doesn't). She had a cousin who lived somewhere along that stretch of Eastwood, so I figured she might remember it.
Vintage trivia seems to have gotten a hold on me, now that I'm at the age where memories are starting to grow a bit fuzzy. Study data have been published recently on this very subject, so I'm looking forward to maybe finding out what's going on inside my old noodle. :)
The house sits about 5 or 6 houses east of the old Buckner house (which is on the Southwest corner of Brunswick and Eastwood). It is currently occupied.
26er, I'll be watching for your post.
SalineNative, I'm glad you got me straightened out on the location (although I don't know which is the 500 block). :)
I'm thinking out loud here and wondering if the fireplace actually worked. Memory tells me that the chimney was large enough to incorporate the flue on either side of that window.
Is the house occupied?
I was in the house some 40 odd years ago so I can't recall any interior features. As I remember, there are fluted columns on the front porch but can't recall much else.
SalineNative, thanks for the information. That's an interesting way to bring in natural light. I wonder what other unusual features the house may have? Have you been in it?
I think it's cool how homeowners sometimes incorporate their ideas into the structure.
Slater and the26er,
The house is still there. It is in the middle of the 500 block of East Eastwood. From recollection, I believe the purpose of the window was to provide light to the stairway to the second floor.
Considering the way they tax smokers maybe there should be a stereo tax!
Cosa Nostra - Oh, car stereos are a huge pet peeve of mine! I always make a smart-aleck comment of "Turn it up a little more - I can't hear the words yet." I figure if I have to suffer the pounding bass, I might as well hear the words (although that's not always a good idea...)
And smokers that don't clean up after themselves also are pretty high on my list of "want to strangle"!
Slater - I will have to take a drive down Eastwood. If I find anything I will post on here.
I guess I should of said it better myself apparently.
I could not of said it better myself notgvnasht.
When did 13 year-olds become so demanding and rude? Wait, don't answer that. Ashley, you may get things by being demanding and rude to your parent(s), friends and others, but another teaching moment for you coming up. 13 year-olds should show a little more respect and be a little less demanding, the world owes you nothing until you earn it and you don't know quite as much as you think you do.
I would have never talked this way at your age to any adult anywhere in any place. Kids have way too much freedom and way too little supervision in today's world. Pop culture would like to make you think you are an adult, but you are far from it and kids need to be treated a lot more like kids than the adults they think they are.
How's that for a subject change?
So sorry for the loss of Corey Gilliland this past weekend. This has been quite the talk of town. I have heard several rumors about the Water Patrol finding another body while searching for Gilliland, even some claim that it was a young boy from Nebraska. Any news? Where did this come from?
We are not one and the same. I was not being rude. I was just stating fact. I just think its time to move on. Everyone has made their point on this topic. There are more important things going on in our community that we can talk about.
Stop assuming that the entire topic is about your post. If you don't want to participate in the discussion, don't. If you don't want to read about it, skip those posts. There's no need to be rude.
So 1Ashley and pennypincher1 are 1 and the same?
26er, I don't know if the house is still there. I was trying to remember how long it's been since I traveled along east Eastwood (maybe 40 years?), so I can't say, and I'm not even sure where it is/was, but I'd have to say it would be between Brunswick and the old Blosser Home.
It could very well have been an access, but it was glass and looked more like a single-pane window approximately 30" x 36" as I recall, and it was positioned at the second storey level.
I remember thinking how unusual to have a window in a chimney, and I always looked at it whenever we passed by there.
Thanks for pointing out an architectural feature I wasn't aware of. :)
While I agree that it may be time to leave this topic and move on to something else, you want to reconsider your "grow up" comment.
There is nothing immature about discussing the role of proper grammar.
Happy summer solstice, everyone!
Newsacross - Exactly! But the point most of us were making is that 1Ashley wasn't getting her point across because her post was unreadable, and unfortunately, there have been other posters that do the same. Minor mistakes are to be expected, and certainly perfect grammar & spelling aren't required in this forum but readability is.
1Ashley - Most of this is not directed specifically at you - your post just happened to spark discussion and debate, which is what this forum is for.
I think the bigger issue here that is being missed is not so much how to communicate in THIS forum, but how the general style of communication in society has been on a steady downhill slide in general. If you want people to take you seriously and understand the point you are trying to make, you must communicate effectively. This will never change. You don't speak French if your audience only speaks English.
Slater - Is that house still there? Can you remember about where it was on the street? Some chimneys have doors which allow the chamber to be accessed to assist in cleaning - we had a similar thing on the one we used for our wood stove. It may have been an opening for air draw.
I completely agree with you regarding grammar usage in this forum.
Its an informal forum not a formal essay lol.
I had an English literature professor in college who told me, "The way I speak on the street is not the same as the way I speak in a formal essay."
I think he is correct. Worrying about correct grammar in this forum is silly. As long as the writer gets his message across to the reader, he/she has succeeded in their goal.
Here's a change of pace. When I was very young I remember seeing a house located on the south side of Eastwood with what looked to be a window in the chimney, which was on the east side of the house.
I never learned the why of that, so maybe someone can enlighten me.
well.... dont git mad at me but I jes done et my dinner and
I think no matter how educated any one person claims to be, they STILL use language they learned and heard used while they were youngens...
I just think in THIS format, a VERY INFORMAL format, it is pointless to complain about someone's usage of punctuation or grammar or slang.
And yes, "somewhere out there", the horse has been beat to death (that by the way is one of my favorite phrases). However, I am sure it will linger on. Hoping someone comes up with something new to talk about soon.
1Ashley - you have tried, and that is all you can do. Obviously, there are many on here who just can't "get over it" !!! Well, if they have nothing better to do than to point out the mistakes of others then their lives must be so perfect. So I say that maybe you and I should just leave them with their perfect lives, because I know I have better things to do then to read the criticism. And I know that a person of your age most surely has many more fun things in your life to be involved in. "You go girl" and get yourself a wonderful day full of being young and alive because, as we all have just been reminded of with the death of Cory, life can be cut short in a second so we must live it for all we have while it is available to us. Signing off as K. Zimmerman (aka "the26er").
People I have been useing better grammer, but you people still are talking about grammer mistakes. I am 13 and i know how to drop a subject and move on. Apparently if you can't stop talking about grammer and spelling stuff then you are not mature at all. I have told some people to get over it and move on, so I am telling those that are not over it yet. GET OVER YOURSELFS. If you don't like the way i post stuff then tell me. Don't make a big deal about.
Thank you to all the grammar posters! All the comments concerning grammar and writing are great. Many times I find it difficult to follow some of the posters as they use OMG and LOL and other symbols of texting. If you want to be taken seriously in a post please spend some time and review each of your postings. I speak from experience.
I posted a rant about something (obviously not that important) at the time seemed very important but I did not preview the posting to check spelling. I checked it out later and I sounded so foolish.
We should all try to express our thoughts and feelings on these posts but we should try to communicate with each other. Communication is both the writer as well as the listener. But if the listener is not able to follow your writing then you and they will have wasted their time.
I make spelling and gramatical errors too but I try to catch them before I publish. I don't always catch everything but I do make the effort.
I also don't buy the "this is an informal setting so who cares" approach. I care and you should to. You always write very nice, well thought out posts that show that your are intelligent and willing to make the effort. I see nothing wrong with having those same expectations of others. I don't know, maybe this attitude is so prevelant in our society that apathy is the new norm.
Boards like this are not "texting" situations. This is not a "chat room" and we are not speaking in real time(for the most part).We are not limited to a specific amount of characters nor are we being charged by the minute.
Have some pride people. Make an effort and at least act like you care. Anything less is just plain lazy almost to the point of being rude.
Why should I take the time to read a post if they won't take the time to actually write it?Computers are a wonderful tool but they won't do it for you. If you put garbage in you'll get garbage out.
OKR: LOL it is ok to agree on this topic...
notgvnasht: Is teens speaking/writing like they text any worse than the older folks that use aint and I dont got no and y'all and other hill billy sounding habits that are not correct for people 'learned' in speaking correctly or writing correctly?
Shoot, in a few years more I would hazard a guess that these terms will be in the 'American' dictionaries for appropriate usage.
The word Ain't is in the dictionary now and it was not when I was in school
And again, in this INFORMAL setting, who cares... LOL
xray...agree with reservations that is.
Your welccome, and the reason I told you that is becasue my user name was in one of your post. I know that it isn't about me and I am glad that it isnt because there are more people to worry about than just me.
Thanks Ashley for the suggestion, but the topic is really a general topic that your first post started. It's really more of a general discussion about grammar/spelling now and the world today. It's really not about you anymore, but it's good to see a 13 year-old taking an interest in the forum and posting...especially when we can understand it.
Trying sooo hard not to laugh. Yes, this is ridiculous -- in a very sad way.
Have a great evening and Happy Father's Day!
How old are? If you are old enough to understand how to type then you should know to drop this situation. It is getting really old. There are more important things to worry about than my poor grammer in my first post.
I agree with most of what you say. I am not talking about the occasional typo or misspelled word. I agree...who cares. I am talking about grammar/spelling so bad that you have a hard time understand the point, if any. Such as the first post by Ashley1, she may very well be intelligent, but I really had no clue as to her point because of the poor grammar. If you can't communicate well, "who cares" will turn into "nobody cares" what you have to say.
hunterfish... I agree that we have a who cares attitude about alot of things.... but an online forum for faceless people to discuss things online is not something that actually matters...
We have a who cares attitude about the constitution, or respect for our flag and our nation, we have a who cares attitude about the founding of this nation. We have a who cares attitude about personal responsibility and suffering consequenes and look for hand outs and bailouts first and complain and whine if we have to do hard work to overcome an obstacle... we blame big businesses or some other entity to place blame onto....
Whether or not I can spell or always make perfectly punctuated sentences on an online forum does not rank up there in importance....
I do agree that perception is, in reality, based on things such as spelling and grammar.... but in this specific format...who cares.
Sort of like if I want to cut and paste a whole document on here along with a link instead of just the link, certain people feel important by telling me not to do this...... LOL
Not one of us is perfect at anything and in this generic and anonymous setting it is a waste of time to point out the mistakes of other people's typing.
Cory was found at 8:30 this morning. Please pray for him and his family. There will be a candle light vigil, tonite, 8:30 pm on the Eastwood bridge @ Salt Fork creek to any who would like to attend. If you can make it, please come support Ella and her family in this time of great need. Thanks to all the local officials, family and friends who brought Cory home.
Reflecting on points by the26er and hunterfisher, it is quite sad to read of the tragedy that has occurred. I do hope and pray that the family will find peace, in whatever form it may be. But the counter point is justified, as well: an online forum is open for a broad range of discussions. I'll stop there so I don't get sassy, especially at this time of suffering...truly, this is a very sad incident. Each person handles emotions differently, and I, personally, did not want to reflect at any length on the depressing nature of the incident. For those involved (family, friends, and community), I pray things turn upward... Praise God for the assistance the search as received.
I see both sides of the grammar/spelling argument. However, consider the scenario that a student in our public school system claims to be a straight-A student writes of a potential "waist" of money, as opposed to spending it on "us students" or "us sports players" (athletes? I'll let that one go), how "the hurdles was falling apart" on the track, and finally markedly missed the mark by writing "your welcome"... It's not that misspellings should be condemned on here (we all make 'mistaeks'), but upon notification of glaring errors, the wayward writer defended her/himself. That is pretty much an invitation for criticism on here, and we all know that. So, no, no one is perfect, but as another writer noted, it was a "teachable moment". At the same time, such abbreviated grammar is rampant and gets by, especially in online forums, and most of us endure it just fine. It'll continue, and we'll survive.
But to your point, 1Ashely clearly did not have a "well thought out rebuttal"...thus the additional criticism... But I think we've beaten that horse to death, yes. :)
Tragedy happens everyday and the world can't and doesn't stop. Just because we discuss grammar or anything else not related to praying and/or talking about a recent terrible incident doesn't mean we feel any less sympathetic to the family.
Frankly, if you want to spend your time doing the things you say people need to do, then more power to you. But, it's not up to you to decide or judge what and when we should discuss. If someone wants to discuss clouds they can if they so choose. If you do not like the topic, then don't read it. Put your energy toward what you wish, but don't tell others what they should be doing now.
Unfortunately mrxray, things that used to matter and were considered important such as grammar and spelling are disappearing because "who cares" is the prevailing attitude for many things. Determining whether someone's comment is a smart one or well-thought out as you say, is hard to do when the spelling/grammar is so poor. u no wut i mn ttyl dokl?
"I agree xray" he tersely admitted.
PS disucc should be discuss... lol
I know this does not mean much... but personally I find the grammar and 'shortcut' typing or just plain old not knowing how to write per some set of rules does not really make that much difference in this setting. This is a forum that allows people from all walks of life to disucc issues at hand. If people make mistakes, who cares? If they use teenage text message short cuts, who cares. The point is IF they make a smart comment or a well thought out rebuttal.
I dont spell well on this type of forum and depending on where I am, I cannot spell check so I just dont do it that often even if I can.
I find the people who complain about someone else's grammar or writing mistakes are usually being out debated or they are just full of self importance and pointing out the mistakes of others makes them feel good about their selves in some twisted way.
Please, PLEASE feel free to point out all my mistakes if that makes you feel better
My dad volunteerd the other day to help look for Cory. I pray that Cory will get found soon and that some how he is alive.
Am glad to see the "controversy" over the young girl's grammar and spelling has stopped. I think at this time there is a far more pressing issue in this community that needs to be lifted up, and that is the uncertainty of what has happened to Cory. I think everyone needs to just take some moments of silence and lift up this family in prayer, that some type of closure can occur in this situation. Noone has the power to dictate whether this situation will end positively or not, but it seems that for at least a little while we should all be able to put aside those squabbles that do not matter and give our full support, thoughts, and energy to what this family is currently undergoing. That is what small town America is about. Karen Zimmerman
somewhere out there -
You and me both, buddy...I thought I'd about die laughing!!!!
Ella wanted to take this time to say thank you to everyone who joined in the efforts to look for Cory. Thank you to Casey's for the donuts, thank you for the pizza and thanks to Cargill for cooking yesterday. This is a tough time and the community has pulled together to help. Let us all continue our prayers.
Is someone yankin' my chain here? Either way, I think the best - and perhaps the only - thing to do here is laugh at the situation... It's getting to be too much.
Green Eyes, my Aunt Mary told me she once caught a 16-pound Bass using a cigarette butt as bait. :)
And of course my Uncle Leo topped that one right away.
Any good fishing stories?
Previous post deleted. Just ignore my post at three minutes after the hour. I'll try to be more courteous here...
1Ashley, the proper spelling is g-r-a-m-m-a-r. More than once the word "grammer" was used. What some people are suggesting is, in order for your opinions to be given more credit, please proof read your posts - even for an online forum.
Correction: "I don't even want to think about what the future will entail."
1Ashley - Gladly! Thank you for writing such a lovely, readable post to ask!
Can we just stop this grammer thing? It's getting kind of old I won't use to many grammer mistakes as I did in my first post. Okay I think we all can agree to that.
Whoops...too many "thats" this time! Sorry!
1Ashley - If I review my own post, I might even "realize" that "a lot" of people could think that that I used the word 'and' "too" many times. They might even think I used "too" many commas.
But they'd be wrong.
I would rather see ands than anyone talking to a public forum as if we were on a cell phone. WTF.
Really you have alot of ands in that one sentence. If you want to talk grammer maybe you should go back to school and look over the text books. Maybe you will relize that there are way to many ands in your one sentence.
Ashley, I hate to burst your bubble, but anytime you write anything on a public forum, it is very "real".
Cheetah, I do indeed have information on the subject of spelling that I want to share - I see it's time to unleash the beast!
If you're not texting or on IM or Facebook, Twitter, etc., it's not appropriate to use the "spellings" and shorthand that go along with those mediums. People won't take you seriously (as you can clearly see).
I don't go crazy over the occasional misspelling or grammar goof (hey, we're all human, right?) However, deliberate misspellings and atrocious grammar make me just stop reading and ignore the rest of the comment and I would imagine I'm not the only one that feels that way.
About 10 minutes ago, I seen the Saline County ambulance headed towards Slater on 240. I live in Gilliam, on the highway. Any news?
Some of you may or may not have known there was a pretty good sized storm headed here last night. The storm had slowed down, which means it would rain more. That is why I think they decided to call off the search.
I believe the $8000 pay cut that the teacher was referring to was the loss of a large portion of Career Ladder payments (the state cut is not paying for their portion) as well as the loss of summer school for the majority of the teachers.
the salt fork creek article,
i would like to pray for the family and friends of this young man! but i also think we should be praying for the Firefighters and Police Officers and anybody else that is involved the the recovery of this young man! lets not forget about those that put the uniform on everyday! i know that some of you are upset that the police/fire department "called off" the search... well please lets make sure that your comments are true before you say them! because it was not the police/fire department that called off the search it was actaully the water patrol...MAY GOD BE WITH YOU ALL!!!
I think its really scary to think that there are students passing classes with straight A's that cant even use proper english or know how to spell. Honestly...no offense to just one person...but has anyone tried to have a conversation with young people recently, verbally or written (especially written)? How are they getting by?
Mr. Kennedy makes a great point that you would be wise to remember. Your credibility and the point you are trying to make will be lost on people if your spelling and grammar are horrible. Please understand that 99.9% of life is not on "MSN talk" or texting, so this "language" will do nothing but make you look less intelligent than you really are apparently.
Communicating your point to the rest of us is "the real thing" and "the real world" uses standard grammar, not MSN talk. Many who don't text/chat have no idea what you are saying using abbreviations and starting sentences with "us". You may not agree with or like it, but again, if you want to be taken seriously and get your point across you had better use your "real thing" grammar.
Hey Ashley! Glad to know you are an A student and know your stuff! (Good idea to use standard English, though. Would prevent misunderstandings of this type.) Best wishes, on all your hurdles.
Dear Bob Kennedy, it is called msn tlk okay i am a straight A student and a sports player. When it comes to a real thing tht we turn in it has no mistakes. I and other students feel the same way as me. Us Kids will become the future it is better having a start now then just waiting for 10 to 20 years to do something.
Dear 1Ashley, I wanted to say "please print your message and tuck it away in a safe place. Take it out in 10 or 20 years and read it. It might just change your thinking about school priorities." But I realized that by then you might be trapped in a no-future job with limited prospects for a better life. Seriously, I'd like for you to have fine equipment for sports. And gosh, field trips are fun, especially when there aren't any performance expectations. But believe me, if someone submitted a job application with the spelling and grammar used in your message, I just couldn't bring myself to hire him/her. Please stick with your studies and work on essential skills. Life is full of hurdles. None of them are in sports, believe me.
proudmarshallite, what's stopping you from organizing it yourself? Take that idea and run with it. Get some friends together and start working. There's nothing like a grassroots effort!
Well said, hunterfisher! This is a good "teachable moment" because it's important to realize that when we are careless with our spelling and grammar, people don't pay attention to what we have to say and our ideas aren't taken seriously.
How about more money for English textbooks/classes?
I am a student at bueker Middle School. My question is Why do they waist money on stuff we really dnt need? Us students would like to have more fieldtrips and a better track. The teachers seem like they dnt really care what we think. Us sports players would like to have more sports and better equipment. When I was in Track/Field the hurdles was falling apart. The track tht we run on for P.E. and track/Field is gravel we need something better. I know tht we dnt have tht much money, but what happened to the fun raiser we use to have? There are soo many more things we can do to raise money for the school but no one is wanting to do something about it.
yes Eric, I am aware of those few functions celebrating the 4th of July. my question was why dont we have more functions...such as a parade, or a huge citywide picnic to those who wish to attend, with different events going on....jump houses, water balloon tosses, watermelon eating contests, etc. you get the idea? of course the picnic meal would be potluck.
Don't hold your breath. The MDN doesn't follow up on anything.
I have a question that perhaps someone will be able to answer, How is it that we can't afford to have summer school for our children but we can afford to tear out school parking lots/that were paved last school year & me living next to a school I hear air conditioners running all night long in several classrooms & classroom lights on all night long. This concerns me!?! On more than one occasion I've noticed lights and air conditioners on & running, is it necessary to have the rooms cooled during the evening hours when no one is there? I know this is minor to most, but having children it is a concern. I look forward to hearing what others have to say. Oh & this past week I ran into a teacher from here in Marshall who was saying that she had taken a $8000 paycut. Makes no sense to me! We can afford to cool unused rooms, tear up parking lots that were just paved this past school year & leave lights on, but we will dock the teachers pay & illiminate summer school. Hmm something just does not add up to me.
i would really like to know if the newspaper will do a follow up and see if the mayor can pressure the police to have more of a police prescence in the housing authority like more drive through every friday it seems like there is a party. and every day i see alot of traffic associated with drugs
The picture of Georgia Yates and Representative Joe Aull in the "Relay for Life" Album is absolutely priceless!
Have a great day!
The BP nightmare on our southern coast is now estimated to be leaking up to 2.52 million gallons of oil per day. This is another upward revision of the estimated daily gush. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_gulf_oil_s...
why doesnt marshall have a 4th of July parade and community festivities?
can we expect relay pictures also?
Will we ever see pics from Marshall High graduation..... or are the pics of the carnival more interesting??
Indeed, rr3, but for the spenders in all levels of government it seems to be an attitude that there's a never-ending supply of money to squander any way they please.
A grant of $1279. and he had $288. left over. California should maybe put him in Sacramento, after he teaches the goons in Washington about fiscal responsibility.
Sorry to all about my politically-flavored post here. :)
does anyone know what days the alma 4th of july festival is
Excellent article Slater makes you wonder what the Oakland officials spent $300,000 on and wanting $330,000 more.
Here's a story that'll make you want to say, "See? I TOLD you the entrepreneurial spirit is still alive!"
upsedaisy - I find older Made In The USA items (many of them new or like new) in antique stores and second hand stores for less money than the new china junk and they last longer and work better and save me money.
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