[Masthead] Fair ~ 63°F  
High: 82°F ~ Low: 61°F
Thursday, July 31, 2014

Speak Out May 1 to June 13, 2010

Saturday, May 1, 2010

The Marshall Democrat-News invites readers to share their views and questions on any issue. Open discussions are often useful and enlightening. Criticism is acceptable as an important part of public conversations, but we expect everyone to treat others with respect. Experience suggests it is best not to post comments while angry. We reserve the right to delete comments that we think include personal attacks, are disrespectful, threatening, obscene or in other ways objectionable. Anyone who repeatedly violates this policy will be banned from participating in our forums.

Past Speak Out conversations


Comments
Note: The nature of the Internet makes it impractical for our staff to review every comment. If you feel that a comment is offensive, please Login or Create an account first, and then you will be able to flag a comment as objectionable. Please also note that those who post comments on marshallnews.com may do so using a screen name, which may or may not reflect a website user's actual name. Readers should be careful not to assign comments to real people who may have names similar to screen names. Refrain from obscenity in your comments, and to keep discussions civil, don't say anything in a way your grandmother would be ashamed to read.

I agree the police should be looking for the man that did the shooting tuesday nite, but please tell me why they are not looking for the person that hit and ran the little girl. when a person hits a child while driving a truck and dont even stop to see if the child is all right ??? than the police dont really ask to see whats going on??? wt- i just do not understand isnt a childs live important

-- Posted by marshallborn1 on Wed, Jun 16, 2010, at 10:34 AM

My earlier post rightly created some advice on how to properly post the work of others on the BLOG. Point taken. I don't have lots of experience in this sort of thing.

There have been a number of barbs about Bush - Cheney. Its time to get past them. There are a boatload of broken promises made by the current POTUS that have nothing to do with the previous administration. The linked article should illustrate the reason that even the left is disillusioned with Obama and his crowd.

http://www.aurorasentinel.com/articles/2...

And before you call me a racist....I don't like his white half either.

-- Posted by GettinAround on Tue, Jun 15, 2010, at 10:07 AM

Eric, The political forum has been separate for a month and a half. It has over 600 entries now. While the original "everything" forum has 309. Are you going to turn the page? I hope everyone has heeded Pasta's advice posted on Sun May 2. "Start recycling now. Look for and buy--made in the USA products." I would add--"drive your car only when necessary."

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Sat, Jun 12, 2010, at 9:04 PM

I thought the water tower was white with an orange top?

-- Posted by Night Sky on Fri, Jun 11, 2010, at 9:28 PM

I should have posted my last remarks separately.

The first was to say it's looking pretty dirty. The actual tower is a little blackened.

The second was to inquire as to how long the city has seen the "circus top" look. Has it always been a "circus top?" Was it the first paint job or one in a long list of looks? Does anyone remember a different water tower? Is it sentimental or is there an option to have it repainted?

Thank you, though, Cheetah. I never really tought about that connection before.

-- Posted by Green Eyes on Fri, Jun 11, 2010, at 2:37 PM

Here...I'll post a previous post I made:

I've noticed how icky the water tower looks. I wonder what it would take to repaint it or do touchups or preform a good power washing! I wonder how many years the city has seen that paint job. I'm 28 and always remember "the circus top." At least that's what we called it. =)

-- Posted by Green Eyes on Fri, Jun 11, 2010, at 12:29 PM

I'm bored by the return of the political conversation. Can you please take it where it belongs???

-- Posted by luvthoseowls on Fri, Jun 11, 2010, at 11:47 AM

Eric

Would you please explain to me why a story about a tree falling down or a brushey fence line being remove garners front page exposure but a story about the post office not enforcing the regulations about haveing addresses on rural/curbside mail boxes, even after the paper and radio said we had to put our addresses on the boxes or we would not receive our mail does not even rate a story?

-- Posted by sheepdip on Fri, Jun 11, 2010, at 11:22 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
I wasn't aware the post office wasn't enforcing regulations. If that's the case, it would be a story, but it wouldn't invalidate other stories as being newsworthy.

Bcat

Since our lives are deeply effected by politics everyday in a variety of forms...such as laws we have to obey or regulations that require us to insure our automobile or require that we get a building permit to put up a new garage or even the cost of tuition at any state university...there really is no way to avoid politics in life. It simply cannot be done in modern societies.

Pushing these subjects to a back page of a newspaper changes nothing.

However, I do prefer to make most of my comments in the political forum...and I am not the only one...

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Jun 10, 2010, at 6:19 PM

We seem to have a migration from the Speak Out - Politics forum here.

-- Posted by Bcat on Thu, Jun 10, 2010, at 5:53 PM

NanaDot

The scariest thing about a Nation blindly slipping into fascism is that historically it seems often times people get sucked into it without any idea its fascism they are supporting...until its too late.

Fascism is a clear and present danger to our Nation and the democratic principles upon which our Nation was built. This is not politics as usual. Rather, we as a Nation are at the crossroad. We either begin to seriously take a look at what the conservatives who support fascist principles intend for us, the American People, or we may find ourselves in a position where its too late to stop it.

I support Democracy and freedom and I hope our Nation can turn the tide and win the battle against those who would turn our Nation into the new NAZI Germany.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Jun 10, 2010, at 5:38 PM

As of this week the Afghanistan War becomes America's longest war. How many of you had any idea that was the case? We sure do get used to war, especially when we get two of em going at the same time. Sorta take it for granted don't we.

Since military apparatus, weapons, bombs, and bullets are our last thriving industry don't look for either war to be winding down anytime soon. Our economy could not stand the hit. What does it matter if a few American youngsters die each week if that is what it takes to keep our biggest industry booming?

http://blogs.creativeloafing.com/theclog...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Jun 10, 2010, at 1:14 AM

At the following link are the lists of large contributors to the candidates in the Missouri U.S. Senate race.

It is interesting that those wonderful friends of we ordinary people, Goldman Sachs of Wall Street, are keen admirerers of Mr. Blunt, Republican. $26,592.00 worth of admiration. http://www.opensecrets.org/races/contrib...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Jun 9, 2010, at 11:55 PM

I think that some of you local folks might like to know where the candidates' money comes from in your local race for the office of U.S. Congressional Representative.

Here is the link to Ike, Bill, and the rest. http://www.opensecrets.org/races/contrib...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Jun 9, 2010, at 11:41 PM

Was there a city council meeting Monday night?

-- Posted by Night Sky on Wed, Jun 9, 2010, at 9:55 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Yes. Story coming soon.

raisedright,

They broke the law. Can you please explain why they are any different from anyone else who breaks the law? Why don't some of you check with Juvenile porobation and see how many kids between the ages of 10 and 17 who pulled "pranks" such as these and are placed on Juvenile probation?

-- Posted by toesrcute on Wed, Jun 9, 2010, at 12:46 PM

I have worked in this community for years and have been amazed by the witch hunts that happen in this Christian community. The boys that did the prank at the school are humans capable of making mistakes. As the Bible says about the one that is free of sin can cast the first stone. They did cause a great inconvience for a lot of people, but they are just starting they journey into adulthood. Instead of spending more money and time with court time, it would be best to make them do community service for the school, police department, etc. They had turned themselves in and realized their prank was wrong and have been publicly punished ever since.

The prank is no different than kids opening farmers gates and letting their cattle out, which is much more exspensive and dangerous or moving things or graffity at the park.

So, I read yesterdays article and thought--wow--going to punish these boys for a adolescent prank, and election year, and the Judge that has been appointed has been also punished with the newspapers opinion of how his own family has been dealt with for problems.

So again for the perfect Christian people of Marshall you might as well form a lynch mob on the court house lawn for all of you that have not done ONE wrong and want to punish the young men that turned themselves in to the law and did a prank that got caught.

-- Posted by raisedright on Wed, Jun 9, 2010, at 8:28 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
The newspaper has not registered an opinion on the situation you mention. Nor on this one.

Well put News. For once, we totally agree.

-- Posted by Philemon on Wed, Jun 9, 2010, at 7:39 AM

News: Any one reading the defining characteristics of fascism can easily see that we are nearly there. It scares the hell out of me for the sake of my grand kids.

Why is it that the characteristics of fascism are not taught in our common schools? I believe it is because fascists will not allow it.

Populism is our only hope. The fascists know that, and are not so subtly coopting the populist movement.

Thank you for the link.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Jun 9, 2010, at 12:48 AM

Perhaps before we all go off the deep end torturing folks and behaving like NAZIS, we should consider what one German cited as the major problem with a society going off the deep end.

"First they came for the Communists,

and I didn't speak up,

because I wasn't a Communist.

Then they came for the Jews,

and I didn't speak up,

because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for the Catholics,

and I didn't speak up,

because I was a Protestant.

Then they came for me,

and by that time there was no one

left to speak up for me.

by Rev. Martin Niemoller, 1945"

Well...now there is a guy with first hand experience of a society gone mad. At the end of WWII those nations that gave in to fascism were in rubble. Destruction, despair, starvation...those are the things we reap when we start down that slippery slope towards fascism.

"The Fourteen Defining Characteristics of Fascism"

http://www.rense.com/general37/char.htm

I prefer the American way. I prefer traditional American values. I prefer Democracy.

Anyone who supports torture, opposes American Traditional Values. Anyone who urges others to commit torture is urging those others to break our laws. Anyone who supports torture is opposed to all that we Americans hold dear. Anyone who supports torture is being anti-American...whether they know it or not...even if that is not their intent.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Jun 8, 2010, at 9:22 PM

notgvnasht

How did you, all by yourself, decide that all defendants accused of terrorism are guilty? No trial necessary while we have you eh mate? You are judge, jury, and executioner all in one, eh mate? You are the decider of all guilt and innocence, eh mate?

How about if someone falsely accuses you of a crime? Shall we torture you till you confess then lock you away? No trial necessary, eh mate? After all, according to your logic, if YOU are accused of a crime by anyone for any reason YOU are guilty by virtue of the fact that some accuser says you are.

Let me introduce you to the American system. In our system of Jurisprudence a defendant is innocent until found guilty by a jury of his/her peers. That is the American way. And in America, it is against our laws and our values to torture. If you want to torture folks, I recomend you get a time machine and go back to NAZI Germany where they approve of torture....just hope you won't be the next one tortured, eh mate?

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Jun 8, 2010, at 8:40 PM

Where are the pictures from Marshall High School Graduation? I know someone was there from MDN but have yet to see any pictures. All the other area graduations are posted. There are even Carnival pictures but none from MHS Graduation.......

-- Posted by SeekingInfo on Tue, Jun 8, 2010, at 8:11 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
The photos have not been published yet. They will be. When they are, I'll post an announcement here.

notgvnasht

All defendants, including terrorist suspects, have a right to a fair trial and the right not to be subjected to torture (U.S. Constitution, 8th Amendment, Title 18, Part 1, Chapter 118 Federal Acts).

Your suggestion that we abandon the American way. our entire system of jurisprudence, and our American traditions and become no better than the NAZI Germans is completely unAmerican and unacceptable.

All defendants are presumed innocent until proven guilty and then their punishment does not include torture.

This is America. We are a democracy and a free Country. America does not torture people. Get used to it.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Jun 8, 2010, at 5:57 PM

notgvsht,

Well, now that's a wonderful attitude. Hey, can you show us any verifiable proof that it get's results? If were are going to stoop to the level of others shouldn't we a least demand proof that the process actually works?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Tue, Jun 8, 2010, at 11:58 AM

When will we see pics from the Marshall High School graduation?

-- Posted by luvthoseowls on Tue, Jun 8, 2010, at 11:57 AM

Well Mr. Xray, I did not bring up all the political baggage that you brought up. I was referring to the moral aspect (or sin) of our own behavior that contributes to the belief that we will be saved by the almighty dollar or big oil. In my personal belief system (Christianity) that it is a mortal sin to wantonly destroy God's Creation. God placed us here to flourish and to care for His Creation. "To have dominion" over creation does not mean to destroy creation.

I really believe that we, God's Children or earthlings need to care for our earth. This is not a leftie or rightie problem it is a moral problem for humans as this is our only home.

I guess I have a different perspective as my family has lived on the same farm for generations. We have cared for this place and we know that if we continue to care for this place it will sustain our family for generations into the future.

-- Posted by movaldude on Mon, Jun 7, 2010, at 12:01 AM

Mrxray: water boarding flouts the Geneva Conventions to which we are a signatory. The Neofascist Cheney Administration broke our nations word. Many top generals oppose water boarding.

But you knew that didn't you?

I'll take your answer on the politics blog if you care to give one.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Jun 6, 2010, at 11:25 PM

NewsAcross,

Did you spot the eerie lights that some Oz residents described as a UFO streaking across the early morning skies above Sydney?

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Sun, Jun 6, 2010, at 10:03 PM

xray,

Once again you avoided the question so I will ask once more. Are YOU prepared to be waterboarded? Will you get it on video for proof? Multiple times a day for months on end? Once you do that, then and ONLY THEN would YOU be in a postion to tell us wheter or not it's actually toture. Until then, your "it's not torture" stance rings not only hollow but horribly naive.

I went through the "Gas Chamber" in basic training and it was NOT a pleasant experience even though the exposure to gas was actually quite minimal. I can't imagine what that would have been like in a combat situation.

Waterboarding in SERE training cannot even begin to come close to what involuntary and repeated treatments must be like. Congratulations Mr.Xray, you have stooped to their level and taken away any high road the USA may have had left. If you think what terrorist do today are any worse than the attrocites of past wars, then you are sadly mistaken.

Still, we did our level best to try to maintiain some sense of decency. It wasn't for the enemy so much as it was for us. The US used to pride ourselves on striving to maintain some degree of humanity while those around us may be losing theirs.

So once again, congratulations Mr.Xray, you have spat in the face of every combat veteran who fought and died against those very tyrants who would employ those very same techniques.

Furthermore, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about and you never will until such time you are willing to "experience waterboarding" yourself. Your arguement is a joke.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Sun, Jun 6, 2010, at 5:34 PM

pink lady... lol if you were being a fair minded person you would have griped at ALL of us in this conversation not just me... lol

-- Posted by mrxray on Sun, Jun 6, 2010, at 5:03 PM

pinklady... just responding to the rest of the peeps posting on this topic here.. lol

wtf.... were I to be one of the members of the military that had a chance of being shot down, would rather be give a dose of training under a controlled environment than to be not given that training. SO under the right circumstances I would under to that training.

AND as like basic training, there are people who think that was no big deal but then there are people who cry the whole time basic training is going on. The point is, I can find people who have hugely different viewpoints on waterboarding during SERE training just as I can for basic training. LOL Your posting of that blog or any blog just proves that point

-- Posted by mrxray on Sun, Jun 6, 2010, at 5:02 PM

Mrxray,

In case you haven't noticed there is a different blog for politics. Please posts your rants, opinions, etc. there instead of here!!!

-- Posted by pink lady on Sun, Jun 6, 2010, at 4:19 PM

mr.Xray,

It's one thing to "experience" waterboarding in training but it is quite another to be subjected to it many times a day for perhaps months on end.

Here is but of a zillion examples to that end:

http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/a...

-- Posted by What the f...... on Sun, Jun 6, 2010, at 11:50 AM

MrXray,

You still didn't answer the question that was asked. Are YOU willing to be waterboarded? If not, why? Afterall you said yourself that it's not torture,right? It's just like if a man were to say that childbirth ain't painful when they have absolutely no idea.I would be alot more willing to lend creedence to your viewpoint that waterboarding is NOT torture if you were willing to go through it and then prove that you have gone through it. Until then your statement carries absolutley no weight. Consider also that until now, Soldiers from many nations have been prosecuted for it becauee it was indeed considered torture. Funny how that distinction has magically gone away now they our former admistration happens be guilty of the exact same crime. I love this country as much as anyone else but just because it's the USA that does it doesn't magically make it the "un-torture".

-- Posted by What the f...... on Sun, Jun 6, 2010, at 11:43 AM

wtf.... ever here of SERE training? Not making any claims to have attended that training. but many of our service members have....and much of the policy regarding what was acceptable interrogation techniques was obtained from the SERE training and the information gathered regarding how our own servicemen reacted to those types of training experiences to prepare them for the possibility of capture by an enemy that WOULD us REAL torture techniques.

Personally, I have no problem with using waterboarding on the very people who, willingly and unhesitantly, cut the heads off of the people they kidnap.

-- Posted by mrxray on Sun, Jun 6, 2010, at 10:12 AM

Mr.xray,

Have you ever been waterboarded? Would you like to be? We can make an appointment. Besides,

that is only one of a myriad of things you will never see Bush and President Cheney step up for.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Sun, Jun 6, 2010, at 7:48 AM

movaldude:

Let me preface my comments with this... the gulf oil leak is a huge and horrible environmental crisis.

Just a thought... the lefties blame Bush and Chenney and Repubs for being in the pocket of the big anything, in this case big oil. However, the Dems are in pocket of whacko environmentalists and other leftist/liberal groups with ideologies that are extreme and radical. In this case more and more regulation has limited drilling and prohibited drilling in areas that are ON LAND and more controllable when there is an accident. The agenda that places those limits are the radial groups who care more bashing big oil than reality. Examples of this are all the disproven data on polar bears and caribou and etc that the lefty radicals claim are going extinct when data is showing otherwise. What this progression of legislation has done is push the drilling of oil farther and farther off shore, into depths that require UNPROVEN techniques to control any malfunction, as we have seen in this case.

So, to be honest, the oil companies are driven by profits and dollars and that is their main concern and this causes them to make decisions that are not in the best interest of all people or the environment. BUT the flip side is irrationality, bad science and dishonesty to push bad policies that also, or in this case, in my opinion, created the circumstances that forced the oil companies to drill in locations that were 5000 feet deep or whatever the depth is.

So, again, being honest.... in this specific case, we could have been approving locations to drill for oil in much safer locations with proven response techniques WHILE AT THE SAME time had an aggressive incentive program to encourage development of efficient and cost worthy renewable sources of energy, AND used things such as nuclear energy and sources to help relieve the world wide demand for oil and this well in the gulf at this depth would not have been needed.

But as with every other issue or situation that is politicized, the extreme views get the most press, the most discussion and the rational and reasonable solutions get ignored, at least until all other courses of action have been proven unsustainable or risky or until some crisis comes out of the extreme views that pushed bad agenda.

You can say that this some how woke you up to man's selfishness... but many of us have been seeing it for a long time. It is selfish for citizens to NOT take the time to vote and NOT take the time to get involved in politics. It is selfish to ignore each person's individual role in why our nation is where it is today. Everyone wants all the good benefits, as long as it does not cost them time or money. many want a handout at the next uncle same 'soup line'. Many make bad decisions to have children with no career and finances first, or to take the first toke or snort of a drug or their first drink and they become addicted and then once addicted they look to everyone else to bail them out.

The political realm of our nation will never recover and probably our economy will not ever recover fully until individuals wake up to this fact and start demanding that society require individuals to be responsible for their own actions. G. Washington and other founding fathers stated that it would require moral and ethical men for our 'new' type of government to succeeed.... we are seeing the result of having many men and women in the political world who are not moral or ethical from all parties.

-- Posted by mrxray on Sat, Jun 5, 2010, at 10:13 PM

lol WTF....

I just threw that about franks and doodoo on the end to make a political type point lol

just seeing if anyone actually read through the whole post... lol

as for bush/cheney... waterboarding is NOT torture...

-- Posted by mrxray on Sat, Jun 5, 2010, at 8:01 PM

one of many,

thanks for the compliments to Eric. I may have overstepped a bit but I know the dedication Eric has to the job. I also know I couldn't do it, especially in light of the demands of the job.

-- Posted by Amy Crump on Sat, Jun 5, 2010, at 6:10 PM

I received an email recently that really got me thinking. It was in reference to the ongoing catastrophe in Gulf. To make a long story short the observation challenged my religious beliefs as well as my own energy habits.

What we are witnessing in the Gulf is the destruction of God's Creation for our own energy greed. We need to review our own energy usage. Our own greed of energy is leading to what is happening in the Gulf.

Personally I'm not comfortable with what I see going on in the Gulf. I do believe that we are witnessing the DESTRUCTION OF GOD'S CREATION. And if we don't find some renewable energy source soon. We may all be doomed.

CNN recently reported that there are experts predicting that if this is not stopped we will see oil going up into the arctic and on the shores of Europe. This is a bit scary for all of us!

-- Posted by movaldude on Sat, Jun 5, 2010, at 2:27 PM

Wow xray,

You went the long way around to make a point about Franks and Dodd however I don't disagree with you.

On the subject of "stepping up" when can we expect to see Bush and Cheney do it? I want to mark my calander and set my dvr.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Sat, Jun 5, 2010, at 5:52 AM

A+ stuff and student vandals of school property:

As the new story from Eric is posted I had some additional thoughts regarding this situation.

First thanks to those who normally differ with me regarding political views who made nice comments about what I said about this situation.

Does it matter if the cost to the school was 200, 2,000, 20,000 or 2 million dollars? I know 1000s of kids who have perform 'senior pranks' without causing ONE dollar of cost to the school or to other people. Part of "being a good citizen" is to have fun and joke around and interact with other people in fun. However, the fun and games stop when it actually causes someone else to suffer a dollar loss or the loss of some other type, such as the inability of the 8th graders to go on their trip.

So the other part of being a good citizen is being able to use your brain to make GOOD decisions and when you do happen to make a bad one, then you are mature enough to step u WITHOUT the police or the school admin or your parents telling you to and admitting what you did wrong and offering to make restitution for any damages that were a result of your actions.

All towns, especially small towns have their 'in' crowd or their self proclaimed socially elite people. BUT if you are from the part of the so called elite crowd, then you are supposed to be leaders of the town and therefore examples for all of the rest and as parents of children within this group in our community, if your child screws up then you should explain to your child and demand that they act in a mature manner and fess up and face up.

I sure wish Barney Franks, Chris Dodd and other Dems that are SO in love with money from Fannie and Freddie would step up and acknowledge that THEY failed to monitor those entities, and should not be on the committees that govern those entities any longer.... LOL

-- Posted by mrxray on Sat, Jun 5, 2010, at 12:26 AM

Amy, thanks for speaking out. Just this week, I saw Eric riding his bike to get another news story. I've seen him fighting the elements to go to board meetings and other events. To be a small town journalist, you've got to have ink running through your veins, because no one would do it for the money or the schedule! I appreciate all those who keep us informed, especially Eric. The newspaper is still my preferred format for my daily dose of current events. I'm afraid it will some day be just a part of journalism history...replaced by technology! Until that day, continue to fight the good fight, Eric! And be careful on your bike!

-- Posted by oneofmany on Fri, Jun 4, 2010, at 10:39 PM

Smokin' Cheetah

My understanding is that Mr. Carradine's mysterious death is still under criminal investigation. There may be excellent reasons for filing a wrongful death suit. Perhaps its best to hear the facts in the case and give both parties their day in court before we start passing judgments.

As to the McDonald's coffee cup lawsuit that gained a lot of notoriety a few years back, I see by your comment you may not be aware the facts in that case.

The woman who was injured was not in a moving car as is commonly thought. In fact the car was well stopped before she ever began to open the cup -- nor was she the driver of the stopped car. She was the passenger. The temperature of the coffee was near boiling point...estimated by experts who testified in the court to be between 180 and 200 degrees, This water temperature is far more dangerous than the 160 degree and less temperature most fast food retailers traditionally offer as an acceptable coffee temperature suitable for serving the public...and for good reason.

The victim of the McDonald's coffee temperature negligence case was severely burned on and around private regions of her lap. She had 6 major surgeries as a result of the massive 3rd degree burns...that before she even set foot in court. Her original award seemed high...to folks who didn't know the facts. Her award was appealed and reduced from the original award of over $2,000,000 -- an award that didn't even begin to cover her medical and legal expenses. By the time the dust settled, she was flat broke and still owed medical bills and still have years of surgery ahead of her.

To trivialize such human pain and suffering by referring to her attempt to recover the medical costs of the negligence of McDonald' (please note McDonald's was found to be completely liable for strict negligence...the worst form of civil negligence) by referring to it as "fiasco" seems a bit unfair and almost ignores the significance of this case.

http://www.lectlaw.com/files/cur78.htm

http://www.stellaawards.com/stella.html

http://www.jtexconsumerlaw.com/V11N1/Cof...

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Jun 4, 2010, at 5:12 PM

I enjoy this paper, online and in print. I think that while publication is our source of local news -- they do a good job of covering things-- and I ALWAYS see a member of this paper at every community event.

-- Posted by workingmom on Fri, Jun 4, 2010, at 2:09 PM

I do not believe I was nagging. I was simply asking again. If that is nagging so be it. This is a public issue and we the public deserve an answer. The outcome of this will effect how I decide to vote in the future.

Thank you

-- Posted by toesrcute on Fri, Jun 4, 2010, at 11:53 AM

Nagging?

-- Posted by Night Sky on Fri, Jun 4, 2010, at 8:46 AM

Busymom - I don't think Amy's comment was directed specifically at you, but rather at some persistent posters who have been nagging to know the resolution of certain stories.

WTF: I do think that they are reporters, but realize that the MDN is a small-town newspaper with limited staff...while they do follow-up on stories, there's not always a story to follow-up on! With the vandals, there's nothing to follow-up on until the prosecutor makes a decision! I think you underestimate the amount of time it takes to do a story, and make sure that you have all the facts straight before publishing, because certainly if they miss dotting an i or crossing a t, the people on these boards will be ALL over them!

-- Posted by koeller77 on Fri, Jun 4, 2010, at 8:30 AM

With all due respect Amy I think "reporting" staff may be a little ambitious. Do they really report or just print what falls in their lap? Seriously, real reporters follow up on stories and try to tie up loose ends.

For instance the story about the county commission firing Pat Morgan. Where is the follow up on that story? She is back at work and it was all apparently a big mistake, right? Where is the follow up? The MDN had no problem publishing the original story because that was sexy. Where is the commissions public apology to Pat? Has anyone asked? What really happened? Has anyone asked? If they won't tell you then tell us that.

That is but one example. Furthermore, just because the bus vandals may not be charged does not mean that we as citizens of the school district have no right to know who they are if they are considered adults.Those were "our" busses. Maybe a little public humiliation for them is just what the doctor ordered.

Reporters? I think that's stretching it just a little bit.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, Jun 4, 2010, at 6:25 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
I understand why you believe that, WTF. Much of what we do is not evident unless the result is published. In this case, Kathy has done several interviews and good deal of research about the situation with Patt Morgan. We have not yet gotten the information we need in order to do a followup story. Nothing significant has changed in the situation. As you note, Patt was fired. Her attorney advised her to keep working, and so she is.

With all due respect Mrs. Crump, I am aware they are very busy at the paper. I was just asking a question, since it had been 3 weeks since some of the graduations. There are some graduation pictures in the gallery that happened recently and the carnival pictures from this past week were posted. I did not feel that I was attacking anyone, I had a question and felt this was the best place to ask it.

-- Posted by buzymomof1 on Thu, Jun 3, 2010, at 11:46 PM

does anyone know why marshall doesnt do a baby contest anymore or what our town can do to get one back around this area

-- Posted by mtshell08 on Thu, Jun 3, 2010, at 10:05 PM

Littlemissme, Judy Garland; Funny! I am more like a (slightly younger :) Sally Field. In fact; I have been told I resemble her by more than one person. Now that being said; Burt Reynolds could eat crackers in my bed...

-- Posted by litlmissme on Thu, Jun 3, 2010, at 9:32 PM

With all due respect, are people aware that the Democrat News doesn't have a full reporting staff at this time? It makes it challenging to complete all the photo processing and chase down every story.

-- Posted by Amy Crump on Thu, Jun 3, 2010, at 5:28 PM

Eric,

When will we know more about why the adults were not prosecuted??

-- Posted by toesrcute on Thu, Jun 3, 2010, at 3:29 PM

Any more graduation pictures from the rural schools?

-- Posted by buzymomof1 on Thu, Jun 3, 2010, at 3:08 PM

It's a great day that God has provided ---- the weather is perfect-- a nice breeze-- farmers are in the fields. SMILE and take it all in. :)

-- Posted by workingmom on Thu, Jun 3, 2010, at 12:49 PM

I am all for shutting down the overwhelming influx of illegal immigrants.

The only way it will be shut down is to punish those who profit from it.

We need huge fines levied against those businesses that hire illegals the first time they are caught. Second offense fines, and jail. Third offense fines, and prison. Three strikes and your out.

I am aware that crops would not be picked without illegals. Expand, regulate and revise the agricultural guest worker program.

Those who employ illegals exploit them, and the American worker.

In my mind at this time of great economic hardship it is unpatriotic to hire illegals.

However roads would be built, roofs installed, and motels cleaned without illegals.

In these hard times legal folk would do the jobs.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Jun 3, 2010, at 1:02 AM

okr are you the poster police?

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Jun 2, 2010, at 10:22 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
His advice was sound.

To: GettinAround

As a new poster it is likely that you are unaware of protocol on the blog.

It is preferred practice that posters do not make long entries that are not their own words.

The post that you left can be linked at many places on the net. Here is one. http://www.experienceproject.com/stories...

The preferred method is to make a brief comment as to the content, then leave a link to the commentary, as per my demonstration.

Welcome from a fellow poster.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Jun 2, 2010, at 10:18 PM

Nanadot,

Considering my conservative views on the subject of illegals I think John Wayne is perfect.

From a fan standpoint, hey, he's the Duke and some of my favorite movies are his.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Jun 2, 2010, at 5:13 PM

GettinAround,

Thank you and AMEN! Illegal is illegal. Period.

This flaming liberal acutally agrees with what Arizona has done and think we in Missouri should do it as well. Hey, I carry "papers" everyday in the form of a "legal" drivers license and Social Security card. Why is it that all of the sudden within the last few years we now have to have our birth certificate just to renew our drivers license?

Enough is enough. They have to hold the ConAg's, Tyson's and others accountable as well.

Ask anyone who works where there are known illegals and ask them about the kind of crap they get away with and then get ready for an ear full.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Jun 2, 2010, at 1:36 PM

SC when you wrote about moving from your usual twang to a "swooning, baritone arioso", as if suddenly possessed by another personality" were you watching, by chance the PBS show about the doctor/surgeon who suddenly had an overwhelming need to take up playing classical piano?

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Wed, Jun 2, 2010, at 1:25 PM

Someone emailed this. Interesting.....

Cheap Tomatoes

Tomatoes and Cheap Labor

CHEAP TOMATOES?

From a California school teacher - - -

"As you listen to the news about the student protests over illegal immigration, there are some things that you should be aware of:

I am in charge of the English-as-a-second-language department at a large southern California high school which is designated a Title 1 school, meaning that its students average lower socioeconomic and income levels. Most of the schools you are hearing about, South Gate High, Bell Gardens , Huntington Park , etc, where these students are protesting, are also Title 1 schools.

Title 1 schools are on the free breakfast and free lunch program. When I say free breakfast, I'm not talking a glass of milk and roll -- but a full breakfast and cereal bar with fruits and juices that would make a Marriott proud. The waste of this food is monumental, with trays and trays of it being dumped in the trash uneaten. I estimate that well over 50% of these students are obese or at least moderately overweight. About 75% or more DO have cell phones. The school also provides day care centers for the unwed teenage pregnant girls (some as young as 13) so they can attend class without the inconvenience of having to arrange for babysitters or having family watch their kids.

I was ordered to spend $700,000 on my department or risk losing funding for the upcoming year even though there was little need for anything; my budget was already substantial. I ended up buying new computers for the computer learning center, half of which, one month later, have been carved with graffiti by the appreciative students who obviously feel humbled and grateful to have a free education in America.

I have had to intervene several times for young and substitute teachers whose classes consist of many illegal immigrant students, here in the country less than 3 months, who raised so much hell with the female teachers, calling them "Putas" (wh**** ) and throwing things, that the teachers were in tears. Free medical, free education, free food, day care etc, etc, etc. Is it any wonder they feel entitled to not only be in this country but to demand rights, privileges and entitlements?

To those who want to point out how much these illegal immigrants contribute to our society because they LIKE their gardener and housekeeper and they like to pay less for tomatoes: spend some time in the real world of illegal immigration and see the TRUE costs.

Higher insurance, medical facilities closing, higher medical costs, more crime, lower standards of education in our schools, overcrowding, new diseases etc, etc, etc. For me, I'll pay more for tomatoes.

Americans, We need to wake up.

It does, however, have everything to do with culture: It involves an American third-world culture that does not value education, that accepts children getting pregnant and dropping out of school by 15 and that refuses to assimilate, and an American culture that has become soweak and worried about "political correctness " that we don't have the will to do anything about it.

If this makes your blood boil, as it did mine, forward this to everyone you know.

CHEAP LABOR? Isn't that what the whole immigration issue is about?

Business doesn't want to pay a decent wage.

Consumers don't want expensive produce.

Government will tell you Americans don't want the jobs.

But the bottom line is cheap labor. The phrase "cheap labor" is a myth, a farce, and a lie. There is no such thing as "cheap labor."

Take, for example, an illegal alien with a wife and five children. He takes a job for $5.00 or 6.00/hour. At that wage, with six dependents, he pays no income tax, yet at the end of the year, if he files an Income Tax Return, he gets an "earned income credit" of up to $3,200 free.

He qualifies for Section 8 housing and subsidized rent.

He qualifies for food stamps.

He qualifies for free (no deductible, no co-pay) health care.

His children get free breakfasts and lunches at school.

He requires bilingual teachers and books.

He qualifies for relief from high energy bills.

If they are, or become, aged, blind or disabled , they qualify for SSI. If qualified for SSI they can qualify forMedicare. All of this is at (our) taxpayer's expense.

He doesn't worry about car insurance, life insurance, or homeowners insurance.

Taxpayers provide spanish language signs, bulletins and printed material.

He and his family receive the equivalent of $20.00 to $30.00/hour in benefits.

Working Americans are lucky to have $5.00 or $6.00/hour left after paying their bills and his.

Cheap labor? YEAH RIGHT!

-- Posted by GettinAround on Wed, Jun 2, 2010, at 1:25 PM

Nandot.

I do like Maureen O'Hara but I'm a guy if you would like to give it another shot:)

-- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Jun 2, 2010, at 1:10 PM

I agree ND, and how about Susan Hayward as Ntgvnst?

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Jun 2, 2010, at 12:37 PM

Are our conservative brethern too staid to play this foolish game?

I have another that I had left out on purpose to give someone else a shot. Mrxray, Louis Calhern.

Don't forget WTF, notgvnst, and the rest of the regulars.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Jun 2, 2010, at 1:36 AM

;) the verdict is in Peck it is. Wow...great minds...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Jun 2, 2010, at 1:21 AM

Hey everyone, I enjoyed the responses to the silver screen game.

NanaDot: I thought your picks were subtle, and perceptive, no surprise there. In my case I think also complimentary. Two of my favorites, maybe even inspirations due to some of their roles.

Ceh: I didn't forget you. As I am better acquainted with you I thought I could not cast you using the same criteria. However, I think you are a little harsh on yourself with Peter Lorre, unless you could blend him with Edmund Gwynn.

upsedaisy: I thought of you, but I wanted to leave some of the good ones to others. I think Helen Hayes. Thanks for the inquiry, hammers have started banging in the neighborhood. They sound like money in poor folks pockets to me.

Cheetah: out of all of them you were the one I was funnin. You no more call to mind Lon McAlister than the man in the moon. ND probably nailed you, but I also think a young Gregory Peck. I also was funnin News, reflecting more how I thought some on the blog may think of him, than my own impression. I bow to ND on that also.

Anyway it has been fun so far.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Jun 2, 2010, at 1:18 AM

OKR

Yu ferget me

Peter Lorre

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMhS4Lnqa...

-- Posted by ceh_meh@verizon.net on Tue, Jun 1, 2010, at 11:28 PM

OKR:

Kathy seems closer to Doris Day. Practical and down-to-earth. Bette was a "drama" queen on screen and off.

How are the repairs to home and cars going? After widespread catastrophes--it can take a long time, e.g. getting the insurance adjusters to show up. Glad you have time for Speaking Out.

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Tue, Jun 1, 2010, at 8:52 PM

OKR and Cheetah, except for the smoking part, the big round eyes and the being dead part, Bette and I are practically twins. :)

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Tue, Jun 1, 2010, at 7:38 PM

We are still waiting. Why hasn't the prosecutor filed charges against the students accused of vandalism? They committed a crime. Why are they so special???????

-- Posted by toesrcute on Tue, Jun 1, 2010, at 6:35 PM

Oneofmany, The thing about Marshall is that if your kids are not on free and reduced lunches at school, you are "well to do".

The other thing that I saw in this series of posts that bugs me is the attitude that the "troubled" kids catch all the bad breaks is flawed. If you choose to serve on school board or any other position of civic leadership, your kids take every hit that comes along just so they don't get accused of getting special treatment. I have personally seen teachers and administrators take out their frustrations on a good student and let the "student athlete" run roughshod over them becasue we don't want to add difficulty to the "troubled" kid. In the cities this leads to those who can puttint their kids in private schools and leaving the rest in public education.

And before you dump the racist card on me I would point out that this is exactly what the current POTUS does with his kids.

-- Posted by GettinAround on Tue, Jun 1, 2010, at 5:17 PM

Are there going to be any other graduation pictures; ie, Marshall, Miami, etc???? It has been a couple of weeks.

-- Posted by buzymomof1 on Tue, Jun 1, 2010, at 1:54 PM

Any news of the rollover accident on Arrow over the weekend?

-- Posted by wheresthelove on Tue, Jun 1, 2010, at 1:06 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
The story will be posted in a minute or so...

Thanks for your perspective oneofmany. The reason there were so many ifs in my post is because I do not know the circumstances. Guess I never will. You know what? In the larger scheme of things that does not matter.

I do know what I posted regarding kids when I was a kid was the truth.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, May 31, 2010, at 11:09 PM

How about a major update with photos of the courthouse?

-- Posted by Nonny on Mon, May 31, 2010, at 10:52 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
I'm working on it. Sorry it's taking a while.

While there are several names being spread around town as the culprits of the recent vandalism, I certainly don't consider ANY of the names I've heard to be from privileged families. In fact, some of them are just the opposite. I think there are a lot of rumors flying around, and very few people know the truth. Let us not assume this is a case of poor little rich kids escaping justice. For the record, I'd like to know what their restitution is, but I guess we'll never know. There have, I know, been other cases of vandalism or theft committed by students or graduating seniors that have not be prosecuted. Again, in those cases, they were definitely not children from wealthy families...not even middle class. Has the precedence been set? Does each superintendent/school board make the decision on a case-by-case situation? Maybe it's a situation where people involved with youth know they sometimes make poor decisions that they shouldn't have to pay for the rest of their lives. I know if it had been my child, I would have made their lives at home miserable for a LONG time!!! Unfortunately, not many parents share my belief.

-- Posted by oneofmany on Mon, May 31, 2010, at 10:40 PM

Back to depressingly serious. Folks we are in one heck of an economic mess.

While I do not agree with the economic philosophy promoted by this commentary I nevertheless am concerned that it is on the money ;) regarding the portent of shrinking M3.

I believe counter to the thrust of this article which is that we have borrowed too much to revive the economy, that we should have done even more at the start to rev up the comatose economy. It may be too late at this point. President Obama's natural affinity to settle for half measures on so many things may be a particularly critical fault on this issue, one that may cause us to be in decline for a long, long time.

I have euphemistically been calling our economic predicament The Great Recession (partly because we have already had The Great Depression), but the way I see it now is that if I am honest, I must clearly call it The Second Great Depression. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/econo...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, May 31, 2010, at 2:10 AM

Now for a little frivolity. I, and I think others, have placed an imaginary physical appearance to their fellow bloggers.

Supposing that I was casting an old silver screen classic, the plot of which revolved around my fellow bloggers, who would I cast to play each? One rule, only silver screen actors could be cast.

Here goes: Slater, Jimmy Stewart; Nana Dot, Kate Hepburn; Jo, Wallace Beery; News Across, George Sanders; Smokin Cheetah, Lon McAlister; White Tornado, Errol Flynn, Littlemissme, Judy Garland; Scarpetta, June Allyson; AFWife, Jane Wyman; MrXray, Ronald Reagan; GreenEyes, Myrna Loy; rr3, Gary Cooper; Aikman8, John Wayne; JJGates, Jimmy Cagney; Third World, Charlton Heston, and I could go on, but I would be interested in how others would cast such a movie.

Oh yes, even though I have seen their pictures I will disregard that , casting Brian Donlevy as Eric, and Betty Davis as Kathy.

Oh well fun foolery for me, I hope someone else gets a grin out of it. I hope I didn't offend anyone.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, May 31, 2010, at 1:28 AM

If in fact the perpetrators are known, and in a community like Marshall that may well be the case, it appears no criminal charges are to filed.

There has been much comment that those who transgressed were among the more privileged youth of the community.

If that is also true all I can say is since I grew up in Marshall over fifty years ago nothing has changed. There were several cases when I lived there that the privileged avoided appropriate charges. Those less privileged were prosecuted for similar crimes to the full extent of the law.

There is a bitter irony in that unjust dichotomy. The kids who have recieved no breaks or few breaks in life, once again get no break. Those who have had every break in life just get another one. That after all is the world we live in.

Mr. Xray I also agree with your point of view on this story. Well said.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, May 31, 2010, at 12:41 AM

mrxray: I'm not going to break out the milk and cookies to celebrate just yet, but I wanted to let you know that for once we agree.

If what we're being told about the expense of the "prank" committed recently is true, and the price of fixing the damage is as high as we have heard, the young people involved should be charged with a felony. Check out Missouri law on the subject of institutional vandalism.

It matters not one bit to me if those involved lose their benefits, their scholarships, whatever. They made a choice to do something stupid - and if they are indeed A+ material they KNEW it was a bad choice. Their names should be made public and they should suffer whatever consequences fit the circumstances - that, too, should be made public. Anything less than that is an insult and an affront to the taxpapers of this city.

-- Posted by Miss Marple on Sun, May 30, 2010, at 6:53 PM

Sorry Slater I posted a comment to your post and accidentally put it in the political forum.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sun, May 30, 2010, at 7:49 AM

I also heard they have to do a number of service hours for the school district as their punishment.If people are really not happy with this outcome they should pick up their phones and call Dr. Noah and register their complaints with him. The buck stops with him and the school board.

-- Posted by momaster on Sun, May 30, 2010, at 7:25 AM

So mrxray, it sounds like it's up to the colleges to pull their A+ now. Like that will happen.

-- Posted by momaster on Sun, May 30, 2010, at 7:21 AM

This goes EXACTLY with my posts about personal responsibility. IF these kids are not punished and are not held accountable, possibly including the loss of financial aid to college, are we teaching them anything? and if they have younger friends and siblings are we teaching them anything if the kids with bad behavior are given a pass?

Kids should be taught about choices and the consequences of bad choices and how it is being personally responsible to stand up and take your punishment for doing bad deeds, even as a ill adivsed prank.

And I dont want to hear about circumstances where the child might not be able to go to college without A+ assistance because they child STILL made a bad choice and should be equally held to the same set of rules as anyone else. Now, if the child stands up and admits to their wrong doing and goes the extra mile with a good attitude to rectify and repair damages and is willing to work to fix the situation and rebuild trust with the community, then I feel that this is earning your 'good citizenship' status back, as we have all done things that either did effect or could have affected other people in a harmful manner.

-- Posted by mrxray on Sun, May 30, 2010, at 12:51 AM

A+ rules for Missouri. The only thing that is in the rules about behavior is this paragraph:

(VI) Maintained a record of good citizenship and avoidance of the unlawful use of drugs and/or alcohol; from the below site.

http://www.dese.mo.gov/schoollaw/rulesre...

And these paragraphs from Missouri SB558:

A student must meet the following requirements to qualify for a financial incentive award: have attended a public high school in Missouri for three years prior to graduation; have graduated from high school with an overall grade point average of 2.5 on a 4.0 scale, or an equivalent; have at least a 95% attendance record overall for grades nine through twelve; have performed at least fifty hours of unpaid tutoring or mentoring; and have maintained a record of good citizenship and avoidance of the unlawful use of drugs and alcohol.

In order to maintain eligibility for the four-year period of incentive availability, a student must meet the following requirements: enroll in and attend a Missouri public community college, vocational or technical school, state technical college, or private vocational or technical school, as described in the act; maintain a grade point average of 2.5 or higher on a 4.0 scale, or its equivalent on another scale; and maintain a record or good citizenship and avoidance of the unlawful use of drugs and alcohol.

SO: Not only during high school but after and while obtaining the benefits they have to refrain from alcohol/drugs and be a good citizen, OR not get caught doing those things that would jepordize their benefits.

-- Posted by mrxray on Sun, May 30, 2010, at 12:47 AM

commish

I heard the schools attorney said not to pull their A+ since the event occured after graduation and the board had certified the students as having met graduation requirements therefor meeting A+ requirements. Isn't that a fine kettle of fish?

-- Posted by momaster on Sat, May 29, 2010, at 10:12 PM

rr3 - then you believe the two competing concepts are compatible to some degree. I go along with the idea that they aren't mutually exclusive, since humans make conscious choices between right and wrong, offering aid and assistance to others, or not, etc; otherwise, if our lives were strictly determined, we wouldn't need a criminal/civil code to keep us in line. Conversely, we wouldn't be praising those who do good works.

My thought is that God is willing to forgive our missteps if we genuinely seek absolution, since us mortals are incapable of attaining anything resembling perfection. One contradiction I see in both our arguments is the plausible explanation for a baby's death, or the death of a young child from drowning, for example. Neither has the opportunity to exhibit the choices that God has outlined for them, if we agree that is the case. Are we to believe/accept that those two individuals wouldn't have grown up to live exemplary lives, and, therefore, God spared them future agony? There must be valid reasons why those events occur, but how do we move from the abstract to the concrete? That's the question I've asked, most always receiving the same general response.

I think that God never intended for us to agonize over His expectations for us imperfect mortals. He gave us His Ten Commandments, which are so simply stated, yet so all-encompassing, for us to use as our "Rule Book," making our choices easy to categorize. This is where Jo's right or wrong ideal comes in, and also where us humans have taken the liberty to go astray, to move outside the black-white boundary into that fuzzy "gray" area, and declaring that's what justified our actions all along.

The other day you said that people who can't keep up on their own accord should be left behind. Would/could the decision to allow that to happen be rationalized by calling it "God's will?" What living human could accept the responsibility for that? John Calvin, probably, but no one in his right mind, as I see it.

So, we have what appears to be a never-ending debate when defining two concepts, and, for my money, they're more overlapping than they are opposing.

-- Posted by Slater on Sat, May 29, 2010, at 5:53 PM

I guess vandalism is no longer a crime in Marshall, and good citizenship is no longer required for A+ benefits. Do you think next year's seniors have gotten the message?

-- Posted by raysfan on Sat, May 29, 2010, at 4:22 PM

Myself and several others would like to know why the prosecutor has not brought charges against the five who the police arrested for vandalism?? It is obviously a crime or the police would not have arrested them. This community needs answers as to why they were let off of any charges.

-- Posted by toesrcute on Sat, May 29, 2010, at 2:09 PM

Slater I had not read anything about determinism until now. God knows the future what decisions we will make like whether we choose to accept him or not, whether we choose to be a good person or not, I could go on and on but I think you get the point. We have the free will to make choices in life which will determine whether we go to heaven or hell when we die. God knows what our choices are to be before we make them we don't. Since we don't know the future our free will decisions determine that.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sat, May 29, 2010, at 6:54 AM

Nanadot, I state here for all to read that you do not understand what personal responsibility is. It has nothing to do with group thought or collectivism or socialism, or the government telling us or corporations what to do, eat and say. Personal responsibility means that you understand that your actions can harm or help yourself AND other people and that you are WILLING, not mandated by law, to behave and make choices that are in the best interest of yourself with the consideration of other people AND if you make a mistake then you are willing to suffer the consequences and then make up to those you harmed in a manner that repairs the damage.

None of this is a failure of our type of government or capitalism. Due to their nature, corporations and humans will find ways to take advantage of ANY system.

Just food for thought while I am ranting tonight... it has been said that Hilter demanded Altruism of his people and that this is the basic premise of group thought or socialism or communism... being willing or mandated by law to forgo your own needs and desires for the good of society.

-- Posted by mrxray on Sat, May 29, 2010, at 3:35 AM

so... OKR and Nanadot... I say just stop any and all oil production within our borders AND around our in our national waters. We dont need ANY oil from our nation and we need to be TOTALLY dependent RIGHT NOW and forever on the oil from the Middle east and central America. I do not see ANY problems with this do you?

I mean it is not like we have any alternative energy source right now that is efficient and cheap so heck... we can just pay 5 bucks a gallon of gas, put more people out of work and more people on the Government dole... But then who will supplement the government funds when there are fewer and fewer tax payers? Hugo Chavez? Iran? North Korea? I mean we already have China and Russia as our biggest debt holders, whats the problem with a few more dictators holding even more of our debt?

-- Posted by mrxray on Sat, May 29, 2010, at 3:29 AM

Time for reflecting...

http://s0.ilike.com/play#Al+Stewart:Time...

-- Posted by Slater on Sat, May 29, 2010, at 12:20 AM

rr3 - I believe you spoke to ND sincerely and with compassion, in the spirit of God's love for humankind.

Yes, eternity is definitely a long time!

What are your thoughts about free will versus determinism?

-- Posted by Slater on Fri, May 28, 2010, at 9:27 PM

And what if we can't fix it? http://www.grist.org/article/2010-05-25-...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, May 28, 2010, at 12:26 AM

And still yet another of BP's progeny maybe dumping oil into the gulf, this one a twin to the original monster that BP let loose in the gulf.

Will they ever get control of what they have created? http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2010/05/p...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, May 27, 2010, at 11:24 PM

Sometimes little squirts are overlooked. BP has another run amuck, or should I say become a muck.

http://www.adn.com/2010/05/27/1297106/al...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, May 27, 2010, at 11:11 PM

So, is Marshall going to be without a movie rental place?

-- Posted by freckles on Thu, May 27, 2010, at 5:58 PM

I've noticed how icky the water tower looks. I wonder what it would take to repaint it or do touchups or preform a good power washing! I wonder how many years the city has seen that paint job. I'm 28 and always remember "the circus top." At least that's what we called it. =)

-- Posted by Green Eyes on Thu, May 27, 2010, at 5:07 PM

This link shows video beneath the sea of what is happening under water off the Louisiana coast. Not at the well site. Drill, baby, drill. http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/05/27/...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, May 27, 2010, at 12:09 PM

Many thanks to all for your support.

I received a phone call from the Director of the 911 Commission yesterday. We had a very pleasant conversation. A sign with the proper spelling, without a "P" should be in place in about 8-12 weeks.

It seems I received multiple pieces of incorrect or incomplete information from local sources.

I was told that the County Commissioners had NO part in this matter, and did NOT approve the name change. (Part of the incorrect info. I received) My apologies to the Commissioners.

I hope we didn't ruffle too many feathers. The wrong information we received all seemed to fit together, and there was no local "dispute of those facts" until yesterday. We started investigating the sign change about 4 weeks ago, and decided to start our campaign with the website one and half weeks ago when we couldn't get any answers.

Our website will be updated before the weekend.

Karl

-- Posted by THOMSON Lane - Save Our Name on Thu, May 27, 2010, at 9:39 AM

Why hasn't the Democrat News released the names of the individuals who let the air out of approximately 20 Marshall school bus tires? Have charges been filed, and if so isn't that public record?

-- Posted by wizzer on Wed, May 26, 2010, at 9:51 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Last I checked, no charges have been filed. If charges are filed, that information will be public record and we will publish the names and charges.

I heard on KMMO that the phones lines at MVP were damaged by some construction going on near the clinic. I think they are working again now.

Have a great evening!

M

-- Posted by missy08 on Wed, May 26, 2010, at 7:05 PM

What's up with Missouri Valley Physicians not answering the phones? I called 3 times yesterday and twice this morning and it rings and rings and no-one answers!

Someone forget to pay the phone bill (hehe)

-- Posted by litlmissme on Wed, May 26, 2010, at 6:22 PM

It is puzzling that the 9-1-1 commission wanted to change to Thompson. Why add an extra letter? I certainly will sign the petition, I wasn't sure if out-of-state residents would carry any weight with the commission. The site is an interesting read. I especially enjoyed reading about Virgil Thomson, the composer and longtime music critic for the New York Herald Tribune. Missouri has deep roots in music. Nice to see the tradition carrying on w/today's announcement of the Community Band's season.

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Wed, May 26, 2010, at 2:39 PM

Thomsom family descendents, you have my signature, and I've forwarded the petition link to others who might otherwise miss it.

Here's wishing you success!

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, May 26, 2010, at 2:09 PM

Excuse the intrusion...Did I miss some sort of benefit dog walk thing recently he in Marshall? Memory does not serve well...:}

-- Posted by wheresthelove on Wed, May 26, 2010, at 1:36 PM

visited the website-- good idea -- but the county is broke and a road sign costs money-- most people around here want their roads fixed-- and aren't worrying about renaming them right now-- and there are many other families in this county with very deep roots that are still settled on the same lands for well over 100 years-- thus the century farms-- if they open the door to one-- many more will follow.

-- Posted by workingmom on Wed, May 26, 2010, at 8:18 AM

THOMSON LANE, the new Thompson Lane

I am curious as to what the local people think of Thomson Lane being renamed to Thompson Lane with approval of the County Commissioners. This was part of the 911 Commission changes I have been told.

The THOMSON Family were well known pioneers with a lot of history in Saline Co., and never used a "P" in our name.

I am a great grandson of Claude Thomson.

All comments welcome!

http://www.saveourname.info

-- Posted by THOMSON Lane - Save Our Name on Wed, May 26, 2010, at 12:18 AM

Slater, Fajita recipe sounds good to me, but there seem to be many groans emanating from the wings when recipes come up.

NB hasn't been active--hope her health is good.

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Tue, May 25, 2010, at 7:59 PM

ND - I cringed when I saw the word CHEAP. Since 1980 the airlines, being part of the corporate structure, have been getting away with more and more shortcutting of passenger safety until we're now seeing a proliferation of regional air carriers flying improperly maintained equipment and perhaps employing marginally qualified personnel to put at the controls.

Yep, cheap only equates to cheap, but investors demand high returns for the use of their money, regardless of the consequences.

I'm one to avoid the regionals whenever possible. Fortunately, I don't travel that often, but I do worry about my kids freely moving about the country without much conscious thought to the potential for catastrophe.

-- Posted by Slater on Tue, May 25, 2010, at 6:44 PM

Tonight on PBS - Frontline: Flying Cheap

What does one do, board with fingers crossed?

Program Description

One year after the deadliest domestic airline accident in seven years,FRONTLINE investigates the crash of Continental 3407 in Buffalo, NY, and discovers a dramatically changed airline industry, where regional carriers now account for half of the nation's daily departures. The rise of the regionals and arrival of low-cost carriers have been a huge boon to consumers, and the industry insists that the skies remain safe. But many insiders are worried that now, 30 years after airline deregulation, the aviation system is being stretched beyond its capacity to deliver service that is both cheap and safe.

-- Posted by Slater on Tue, May 25, 2010, at 12:06 PM

Hi Upsedaisy - I've been watching the American Experience series for at least 20 years and I'm addicted to it.

I don't know how the trip went for the kids. I do know the weather here wasn't the best, and both parks were closed during their time here. I was sort of hoping I'd get a report from NouveauBlogger, but she's been absent for quite a while.

We have one of the best fajita makers in the area next door. Want me to get his recipe for you?

-- Posted by Slater on Mon, May 24, 2010, at 10:56 PM

Thanks Slater for the reminder about Riding the Rails. This Old Timer also enjoyed the show that followed on the CCC. I was multitasking (yes, at my advanced age:). Looking for fajita recipes. Hate to mention it in view of the firestorm that erupted over Marcia Gorrell's blog on animal rights. News to me that while fajitas are often thought of as Mexican, they originated in the San Antonio region of TX during the 1800s. Source: Steaklover's Companion. Harper Collins. BTW, how did the Slater seniors trip to San Antonio go?

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Mon, May 24, 2010, at 10:08 PM

sheepdip, many of us did pranks or played jokes in our youth, including myself, but I never participated in vandalism. Tampering with locks and tires is a serious thing.

One thing I'd like to see these students have to do is write letters of apology to the community and have them be published in the paper. (And on this website, too, Eric, please, if that were to happen) These kids need to understand that they have offended and disappointed many many people. I thought the class of '10 had as their motto, "We Choose Kindness". Kids, this wasn't a kind thing to do.

-- Posted by Night Sky on Mon, May 24, 2010, at 8:17 PM

Sheepdig,

A crime is a crime is a crime!! Vandalism is a crime. Period. What are we teaching these ADULTS if they get away with it??? Absolutely nothing. And if it is their name buying their ticket out of this that is just plain pathetic. But then, that is Marshall for you. The money that has been spent to fix this whole mess could have been used for education purposes. And shame on the school board if they sweep this one under.

-- Posted by toesrcute on Mon, May 24, 2010, at 7:23 PM

Why does everyone want charges filed in this case. These kids pulled a stupid prank ok they did not do any damage to the buses just let the air out of the tires. Why make them have a record for a prank. Make them work and pay back the money that it cost to fix the tires and let it go. I am sure, my self included, that most of the people that are calling for charges could not stand a check of there younger days without some prank of some sort in there past

-- Posted by sheepdip on Mon, May 24, 2010, at 7:02 PM

Eric,

Can you please tell us if there has been a decision reached as to whether or not charges are going to be filed? And if not, can we please be told why???

Thanks

Toes

-- Posted by toesrcute on Mon, May 24, 2010, at 3:51 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
It's a good question. We'll try to find out.

Tonight on PBS - American Experience:Riding the Rails

Program Description

During the Depression-era of the 1930s, tens of thousands of teenagers hopped freight trains in search of a better life elsewhere. What they discovered was a mixture of adventure, camaraderie, hardship and loneliness. They saw a country in turmoil and found experiences that impacted them for the rest of their lives -- their ultimate freedom traded for despair, lack of jobs, and even death. Through first-hand accounts, "The American Experience" recalls the stories of teen drifters crisscrossing America during tough times.

-- Posted by Slater on Mon, May 24, 2010, at 2:50 PM

I would like to know why it is taking the prosecutor so long in deciding whethter or not this a crime worthy of punishment? But I really think it is going to be covered up to protect them. And that my friends is the biggest mistake they will ever make in letting them get by with it. There will only be bigger and better crimes down the road if they are not punished and own what they did.

-- Posted by toesrcute on Mon, May 24, 2010, at 10:51 AM

Chris Shaw's picture was on the Oprah show and was mentioned by name.

-- Posted by granny08 on Mon, May 24, 2010, at 9:01 AM

Our Lottery winner was not on her show but a winner was on. Go to OPRAH.com and look at the May 21 show.

-- Posted by Pasta on Mon, May 24, 2010, at 8:28 AM

My wife told me that she believes Chris Shaw was on the Oprah show the other day.

I've heard rumors that Dr. Phil and Oprah used to be married to each other. Any truth to it?

KF, I recently watched the Bette Davis movie, All This, and Heaven, Too, which I believe you told me is your favorite of her movies, and I can see why.

Hey NB! Did you ever get the picnic tables painted? :)

How did the resurfacing of the Plaza parking lot turn out?

My cat turns 15 tomorrow. Finally, someone in this house older than me!

-- Posted by Slater on Sun, May 23, 2010, at 11:03 PM

Cover up for sure,we will hear no more about it.

-- Posted by yank on Sat, May 22, 2010, at 8:25 PM

Commish,

I agree with you 100%.

-- Posted by toesrcute on Sat, May 22, 2010, at 1:16 PM

OKR, That's a lot of damage. I am glad you and your family were safe.

Gardening has many lessons and rewards. After Hurricane Fran in 96 I took a picture of the small mound that remained from a rhododendron that was 40 years old when falling limbs nearly smashed the life out of it. Our Bouvier des Flandres was a bigger black mound beside it. She weighed over 100 pounds. This spring, 14 years later the "rhodie", loaded w/beautiful blooms for more than a week, is over my head, and happily spreading. May you have some cool days as your restoration efforts get under way.

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Fri, May 21, 2010, at 10:43 PM

Vandalism: They're not kids; they are adults in the eyes of the law. This is alot more serious than the usual year-end pranks and probably cost the district alot more money. They should be punished and lose their A+ eligibility. If you say that good citizenship is required to get A+ status, then you better back up your words.

But this whole matter already has cover-up written all over it. Seems like they are making decisions based on who committed the crime rather than what they did.

-- Posted by raysfan on Fri, May 21, 2010, at 4:31 PM

Eric,

lol, thanks. Look forward to it.

-- Posted by noshadesofgray on Fri, May 21, 2010, at 4:09 PM

Back when I was a kid we used to pull pranks all the time, takeing down gates, turning over outhouses, etc. Everything wasn't a crime back then. It seems that anything that is done now has to be prosecuted. Why can't they just make them work and pay for the damage and forget about it.

It seems people get outraged over nothing anymore.

Why is there so much said about the kids and nothing about the driver that has been arrested many times for dwi and no license? To me this is a lot more of a danger to the public than some kids pulling pranks.

-- Posted by sheepdip on Fri, May 21, 2010, at 3:16 PM

Hey Eric,

When can we expect to see pictures from MHS graduation?

-- Posted by noshadesofgray on Fri, May 21, 2010, at 2:43 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Soon. I hope!

OMG!! Come on people.... get over it!! It was a prank...yes not the smartest thing..but not criminal!! Find something else to do!

-- Posted by bmarshall on Fri, May 21, 2010, at 1:32 PM

Im sure the last names & social circles of the kids involved will play heavily in what they are/aren't charged with.

I, for one, will be very upset if this doesnt have any impact on their A+ scholarships. They went too far in their "prank" and should suffer the consequences...that is part of growing up!

-- Posted by ALM on Fri, May 21, 2010, at 1:22 PM

If they did the "crime", they need to do the "time" and also pay for 100% of the damages. And when will the public be given a a list of the these people. They are over 18 so their names should be published.

-- Posted by pennypincher1 on Fri, May 21, 2010, at 2:24 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
If they are charged with a crime, we'll publish their names.

Upsedaisy unfortunately we do have some house damage. We will need a new roof, siding repairs on the gable ends above the brick, and miscellaneous other damage. Also we had two cars damaged

It pretty much destroyed two months work in my yard, and garden. Our flowers were beaten into the ground in some areas of our large back yard.

It could not take away the joy I had doing the work. I am back at it restoring, and renewing.

Good to hear from you, and thank you for your inquiry.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, May 21, 2010, at 12:03 AM

In regards to the boys and the vandalism. I have been told that while they were arrested, they weren't fingerprinted so that they could still have their A+ status. And, I have also been told that discussions are underway for community service rather than restitution and possible jail time/probation. If all of this is true, here are my questions: (1)It was my understanding that students involved in the A+ program were not to be in trouble and why would we want to spend our tax dollars on these kids when there are plenty out there in need of the A+dollars who didn't do that? (2) When does it stop if they just get community service? Next year, if it happens again, do they get community service? I feel sorry for the school and their officials because they are in a no win situation. However, they need to press charges and put a stop to all of this. Their actions stopped being a "prank" when they shot the JB Weld in the first lock. They stopped being a prank when they took out the 1st valve stem.

-- Posted by Yamahahamma on Thu, May 20, 2010, at 11:32 PM

OKR that was quite a HAIL storm. Hope you are not gathering estimates for home or car repairs. Forwarded it to our son who lived in Tulsa for about seven years in the 90s. Love the architecture in Tulsa, but the weather means I won't be looking for a charming arts-and-craft bungalow. Glad you survived this latest turbulence with aplomb.

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Thu, May 20, 2010, at 10:45 PM

Here's one for that trivia game you're creating:

Where in the USA can this sign be found?

http://www.weirduniverse.net/images/uplo...

(Answer - Lynchville, Maine)

-- Posted by Slater on Thu, May 20, 2010, at 9:38 PM

I JUST WONDER WHAT EVER POSSED THOSE FIVE YOUNG MEN TO VANDALIZE THE SCHOOL BUS'S

THE PARENTS SIT WITH PRIDE JUST A FEW DAYS EARLIER AND WATCHED THEM GRADUATE NEVER DREAMING SOMETHING LIKE THIS WOULD EVER HAPPEN.

DID THEY STOP AND THINK HOW THIS WOULD AFFECT THIER PARENTS ? EVERY ONE NEEDS TO PAY BACK THE TOTAL COSTS IN FULL.

DID THEY STOP AND THINK HOW THIS WILL LOOK ON A WORK RESEME ? THEY KNEW WHAT DAMAGE THEY WOULD CAUSE BEFORE IT WAS DONE. I JUST HOPE THEY ARE PUNISHED MAYBE NEXT TIME THEY WILL STOP AND THINK THAT ALL ACTIONS HAS PENALTIES WHETHER GOOD OR BBAD

-- Posted by buttons on Thu, May 20, 2010, at 5:40 PM

I have heard from a very good source that the damage and vandalism earlier this week to the schools and school buses is over $10,000.00 (our tax dollar). I really hope that these people are prosecuted and held accountable.

-- Posted by pennypincher1 on Thu, May 20, 2010, at 4:41 PM

Well sometimes its best to leave rumors be.

After all, he is our hometown-boy-done-good. I prefer to remember him as one very lucky, happy Marshalite who is on his way to bigger and better things...

-- Posted by news across on Thu, May 20, 2010, at 11:11 AM

must be a full time job censoring others thoughts and comments. good luck with that.

-- Posted by wheresthelove on Thu, May 20, 2010, at 10:20 AM

Keep in mind that it is just a rumor.The rumor however suggested they were busted on the way to California, not in California.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Thu, May 20, 2010, at 9:22 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Even less to go on, then. The name of a state would help.

The 13-year-old message contained in this link should most likely be enjoyed by all who like timeless and lighthearted fare. :)

http://www.chicagotribune.com:80/news/co...

-- Posted by Slater on Thu, May 20, 2010, at 8:38 AM

What the f...

Wow! I sure hope not.

I too will be interested in learning if there is any truth to that rumor.

Hey Eric...here is your big opportunity to do your thing mate.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, May 20, 2010, at 8:11 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
I can find no evidence to suggest it's true. See below.

Hey MDN,

A little bird has said that a recent lottery winner was busted on the way to California. Any truth to that?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Thu, May 20, 2010, at 7:51 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
No evidence of it whatsoever that I can find. California does not appear to have a statewide online court records system comparable to Missouri's casenet. The source I found suggests you have to consult individual jurisdictions, but since rumors haven't provided that level of specificity, my search ends there.

I also find it odd that worldwide mainstream media outlets were all over Mr. Shaw when he won the money but haven't made a peep about an arrest, which we might expect them to leap upon if it had actually happened.

Ditto ND,

Right on, right on...right on!!

The sad thing is, our Senators and Representatives in Congress can stop these wars and these crooks anytime they want...they could do it today...so what is stopping them?

November cometh...and cometh right soon!

-- Posted by news across on Thu, May 20, 2010, at 2:52 AM

Bill for Afghan war could run into the trillions. Now just where do we have that kind of money stashed? http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=5...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, May 20, 2010, at 1:51 AM

Thank you for those links ND. So much must be done.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, May 20, 2010, at 1:34 AM

It was somewhat interesting the other day around here. Hail Oklahoma City!

The video at the attached link was shot a few miles from my house. http://www.aolnews.com/nation/article/fr...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, May 20, 2010, at 12:22 AM

upsedaisy

Yeah Australia is kinda interesting...no where near perfect...but interesting. Anyway, we certainly are happy to have folks visit our Country.

Come on down anytime...and bring lots of cash...it sure isn't cheap lol.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, May 19, 2010, at 11:29 PM

Good to hear from Jo.

I believe Jo along with other readers of Speak Out have expressed an interest in knowing more about Australia. A friend who is a visiting professor at Edith Cowan University in Perth Australia, has been writing about his extended stay "down under". You can type in rlauterborn.com to reach his home page, side bars will lead you to Kalgoorlie, (an old mining district), Margaret River, Albany as well as home base in Perth. His wife is from Wales.

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Wed, May 19, 2010, at 10:21 PM

Thanks buttons for your comfirmation of the Missouri Brokrage store. I have many wonderful memories of your beautiful city, lots of Sat Nights riding around the square,and having cokes at the Viking Drive-In I love to visit Marshall it looks great and very well cared for. Good job citizens of Marshall.

-- Posted by Grand Pass gal on Wed, May 19, 2010, at 7:51 PM

The MPD is doing their job. There are several area's around the larger cities that will pull you over and thank you for being a safe driver along with handing you a $25.00 gift certificate. I did not know my license plate bulb was out and was given a warning. If you're not doing wrong, who cares?

-- Posted by nomad on Wed, May 19, 2010, at 1:18 PM

Marshall police have been stopping people for burned out rear license plate bulbs. The light on your license plate is not part of safety inspection, so you may not realize your little bulb isn't lit. Check it. The license light plate rule was probably more important in the old days of dull brown and black license plates. Today's plates are highly reflective. If you don't want to get stopped for this infraction, check your little rear bulbs. Or for a truck, you can license for a higher weight and not have a rear license plate at all.

-- Posted by Cat13 on Wed, May 19, 2010, at 9:19 AM

Populists on the left, Populists on the right oust establishment candidates from the Democratic, and Republican parties. Primary elections across the nation reflect our anger. Posted here because it is more so the eruption of a social movement than politics. http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/05/18/...

However, let's take the discussion to the politics blog should there be any.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, May 18, 2010, at 10:41 PM

NO GRAND PASS GIRL, YOU ARE NOT WRONG. MO BROKAGE WAS ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE SQUARE, I BEIEVE IT WAS WHERE DR. MUSGRAVES IS NOW. I WAS IN THAT STORE ALOT AS A CHILD.

-- Posted by buttons on Tue, May 18, 2010, at 8:26 PM

Jo

Its good to know you are ok. I was starting to get a little worried too.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, May 18, 2010, at 6:46 PM

Would really like to know if anyone there remembers a store on the east side of the square call Missouri Brokeage, or something like that, have never been able to confirm this. it would have been in the 40's or early 50's. Please someone tell me that I am not wrong.

-- Posted by Grand Pass gal on Tue, May 18, 2010, at 6:13 PM

Oklahoma: Yes i'm fine i would be better,if i was 20 again. ha Yea like i said in the Polical blog, two short of of finance & gusto! Thank's my friend. Hope all of you Guy's and Gal's are Good!

-- Posted by Jo on Tue, May 18, 2010, at 2:06 PM

Jo are you doing alright?

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, May 16, 2010, at 10:48 PM

Philemon

I will have to see if I can find the political forum section...seriously lol...I am not even sure where Crump has buried it, but I will see if I can find it.

I look forward to reading your postings there.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, May 16, 2010, at 6:57 PM

News,

Not confused in the slightest bit. Never said you agreed with me, just said that my point was made. As you said, no need for further comments since the points were made. Honestly, I never expect you to agree with anyone totally and to argue the most minute points. It's not just you - I don't think I've ever seen anyone change their mind here, and don't expect to ever actually see it.

Do you read the political forum? I really would like to have a conversation with you over there but have never seen you post a single time. I don't really want to waste the time posting a question specifically to you if you won't see it. So, would it be worth my time?

-- Posted by Philemon on Sun, May 16, 2010, at 8:44 AM

Marshall Graduation will probably be inside. They will make the decision sunday morning. Each grad has 6 tickets for gym seating. Anyone else can sit in the commons and little theatre and watch it on closed circuit.

-- Posted by mu-grad on Sat, May 15, 2010, at 8:25 PM

Any word on MHS graduation from someone in the know?

-- Posted by Night Sky on Sat, May 15, 2010, at 4:08 PM

I was reading the reports of high water on the Missouri River at Miami, and it got me wondering about average depth (one account reports 35 feet). My search led me to the following interesting history and statistics about the river's 500-plus miles along and across our state.

http://mdc.mo.gov/conmag/2004/01/20.htm

-- Posted by Slater on Sat, May 15, 2010, at 12:34 PM

I wonder if any Marshall teachers have signed their classes up to take this "field trip" to Bryce Canyon...

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/outposts...

Its amazing all of the opportunities that kids have today!

-- Posted by ALM on Fri, May 14, 2010, at 2:47 PM

I really do hope that some of the teachers have. I live here and have to tell you that Bryce Canyon is one of my favorite places on earth. If you can't be here in person to witness what a awesome bit of heaven it is you should be able to witness a video to at least give you a taste of what is out there. It is unbelieveably beautiful and it is constantly changing.

-- Posted by Utah Reader on Sat, May 15, 2010, at 5:43 AM

Philemon

Don't confuse my choosing not to respond to your or anyone's comments as agreement or disagreement with the comment.

I simply don't wish to get into long discussions with anyone as I have so many times in the past.

Once I feel I have adequately made my point, I will cease any further comments on the matter - regardless of whether or not anyone agrees or disagrees with my comment(s).

I mean look mate, I live very, very well in one of the most comfortable and beautiful countries in the World...or as I like to see it, I am a permanent tourist lol. So, I like to spend time doing a few other things besides commenting...though I realize sometimes it may not seem that way lol.

Besides, I think it only fair to give other folks a chance to way in on the subject at hand. I have, in the past, had a bad habit of not doing that and I acknowledge it is wrong for me to not give others the opportunity to make their point.

So if you don't see any responses from me on a particular subject, it does not mean I agree or disagree with the comments made. It just means I am silently reading them.

After all, I know my opinion...I want to read your opinion.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, May 14, 2010, at 10:34 PM

I wholeheartedly agree that the panhandling is out of hand especially when the young children who are out there are not gracious enough to say thank you when given a donation.

-- Posted by litlmissme on Fri, May 14, 2010, at 6:47 PM

News - Being a huge fan of train travel I find these links very interesting. Thanks for posting.

-- Posted by Slater on Fri, May 14, 2010, at 5:03 PM

I wonder if any Marshall teachers have signed their classes up to take this "field trip" to Bryce Canyon...

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/outposts...

Its amazing all of the opportunities that kids have today!

-- Posted by ALM on Fri, May 14, 2010, at 2:47 PM

Thank you for bringing this up! I feel the same way! I do my fair share of giving to various charities and find that the never-ending 4-way stop requests are getting out of hand. The various groups waiting for you outside of Wal-Mart's doors are getting just as bad. I was leaving the other day and one of them asked for money and when I politely refused, she asked me "why not, dont you care?"

-- Posted by ALM on Fri, May 14, 2010, at 2:36 PM

Yeah- What's up with all the panhandlers? It used to be a once or twice a year thing, but it's every weekend now and at more than one intersection. I, too, consider myself to be generous and giving, but come on- enough is enough!

-- Posted by luvthoseowls on Fri, May 14, 2010, at 2:31 PM

Summer must be near because the pan-handling at the 4-way stops every Friday has begun. Now...before I get ripped about it, I give to charities and think service organizations are a wonderful thing. I've belonged to several, but I seem to remember we counted on fund-raising projects to make money. Of course, there was more work involved than just wearing a vest and holding a cup, so maybe that's out of the question these days.

-- Posted by outsider on Fri, May 14, 2010, at 1:26 PM

mrxray

You are quite right, we are playing in the wrong sandbox. I will head that way. News, hope you follow. I seriously would like to discuss a few things with you (notice I didn't say argue). Specifically, your previous posts on Democratic Socialism intrigued me.

-- Posted by Philemon on Fri, May 14, 2010, at 7:14 AM

Not smarting whatsoever. Last time, if you will re-read the posts, I was for the most part actually agreeing with News, but he still chose to argue one slight bit of the point. He never responded to my last post on that topic so I took it that my point was made.

In this case, not defending a "post out of context" but rather giving my opinion of someone that News calls "one of the most highly respected" even though the man himself admits that he makes up stories. Of course, only when speaking, not in print.

As for timing, consider it random. I read every word of the blog, but usually on my phone, where I refuse to type posts. Finding time to actually post is more difficult, and therefore random.

-- Posted by Philemon on Fri, May 14, 2010, at 7:09 AM

hmm I dont comment much anymore but I do read occasionally still... thought there was a separate spot for political issues.

I dont think I have read many comments from Nanadot that reflect any appreciation for anything in America.... sort of sad... cannot even acknowledge that America is great without a qualifier of some nature.

-- Posted by mrxray on Fri, May 14, 2010, at 3:24 AM

Philemon, defending rr3 in this instance of blatant quotation out of context? Tsk, tsk.

I seem to recall a similar discussion we had a while back regarding a similar situation? Do you recall the context of that discussion?

I find it unusual that after a long period of silence on this blog you choose this subject to reappear.

Still smarting?

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, May 14, 2010, at 12:15 AM

On a lighter note, and please don't think this is something that I actually support, I heard the following from some comedian. Don't remember who, but maybe Dennis Miller.

"We have it all wrong trying to go green buying hybrid cars and such. The best way we can help the environment is to all buy the biggest gas guzzling cars we can. By doing this, we will run the world out of oil faster, thereby forcing better things to be invented and used. Until forced, we will be too lazy to do anything so let's hurry up and make it happen."

Obviously not a direct quote, but you get the general idea.

-- Posted by Philemon on Thu, May 13, 2010, at 10:44 PM

Bravo News. I jokingly admit to resorting to one of your favorite tactics and you come right back with it.

Your last post replying to me:

"Philemon

1.) I never said you were referring to Mr. Hersh."

Referring to your previous reply:

"Philemon

Well that was not Seymour Hersh."

Wonder where I could have possibly got the idea that you assumed I was referring to Hersh?

-- Posted by Philemon on Thu, May 13, 2010, at 10:37 PM

Green-Powered Rail systems around the World:

Here are some interesting links to alternative/green powered train use in a variety of countries around the World:

1.) Electric locomotive

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_lo...

2.) http://www.railmaps.com.au/

3.) http://www.aric.com.au/site/intvisitors....

4.) Fuel cells set to switch trains onto a greener track

http://www.science.org.au/nova/newscient...

5.) Online Resources and News For BioDiesel Trains

http://www.biodieseltrains.com/

6.) All Aboard Amtrak's Cow-Powered Passenger Train

http://www.energyboom.com/transportation...

7.) Fuel Cell Powered Trains on the Rails In Japan

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2006/04/...

8.) Fuel Cell Trains Being Explored in Kansas

http://www.fuelcelltoday.com/online/news...

9.) Fuel Cell Hybrid Train Attain 70% Energy Efficiency Rate

http://www.japanfs.org/en/pages/029463.h...

10.) Electromagnetic Compatibility for Railway Infrastructure Projects

http://www.emctech.com.au/EMC/EMC_railwa...

11.) Electric Railroads

http://www.ominousweather.com/ElectricRa...

12.) Kyocera Solar Electric Power Systems for Railroad Applications

http://www.wholesalesolar.com/kyocera-so...

13.) Railroads: Fast, Clean and ELECTRIC

http://thebreakthrough.org/blog/2008/07/...

14.) PENNSYLVANIA

RAILROAD

ELECTRIC LOCOMOTIVE

GG1 4800

http://files.asme.org/ASMEORG/Communitie...

Electric locomotive systems are not a new idea, and with the passing of peak-oil reserves, alternative/green power rail systems are making a big comeback.

Its time we reduce our dependence on fossil fuels and move into a new era in power production. After all, the survival of our species is at stake.

Its up to us folks. We can sit back an do nothing, or we can put our American "Can-Do" approach to work and help save our Planet.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, May 13, 2010, at 8:45 PM

CORRECTION:

I just spoke to my Australian wife about the rail system here. She tells me we do have one East-West rail system running the length of our Continent. She said she believes it is electric equipped. You may want to check the link that Kathy has provided. It may confirm this. However, while I don't know, I would speculate that it probably serves electric, natural gas, and diesel powered trains.

Anyway...come on down tourists! You will love our beaches, year round sunny, temperate climate, our mountains, our outback, and our warm and friendly people...and bring lots of cash...Australia is not cheap lol.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, May 13, 2010, at 7:30 PM

TerryM

I never said all trains in Australia are electric. I said most of them are.

Those that are not electric have been recently refitted to burn natural gas. Since we have the World's largest natural gas reserves, it just made good sense. Many of our automobiles and Trucks also have been refitted to natural gas thanks to a large Government rebate that encourages use of natural gas.

As to our outback...Australia is the World's largest Island, the only Continent that is also a single Nation, and most of our populated areas are on or near the Coast. I don't know of any rail that crosses our vast dessert for East to West or West to East. Most of our rail systems are concentrated on the coast as are most of our highway system. Our Nation is mostly dessert in the interior and not conducive to human habitation. So we really don't have a need for a direct cross-continent rail system. All of our commuter trains are electric...and we have a substantial electric rail system. However, as I originally pointed out...not all of our trains are electric...some operate on natural gas. We still have some diesel-electric that have not yet been refitted to natural gas or electric, but we will get to them too eventually.

Thank you for you interest in our rail system and please feel free to come enjoy them when ever you can...and be sure and bring lots of cash lol lol lol.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, May 13, 2010, at 7:18 PM

Here's some information on trains in Australia:

http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/rail/tr...

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Thu, May 13, 2010, at 3:29 PM

TerryM - Your hand is on the proper throttle.

-- Posted by Slater on Thu, May 13, 2010, at 2:34 PM

WT and News - I don't know about Australian trains, but substantially all freight train traffic in the US is pulled/pushed by diesel-electric locomotives. These are essentially huge diesel generators on wheels with similarly huge electric motors that actually turn the drive wheels of the locomotive.

Given that the Aussie outback is emptier than the US wild, wild west, I find it highly implausible that trains there are all-electric. Are you sure they aren't diesel-electric like US locomotives? Or do the train tracks have hot rails or overhead wires providing power to the motor that turns the wheels?

-- Posted by TerryM on Thu, May 13, 2010, at 12:56 PM

has prostituted his nation's history,has corrupted the facts,sources are often made up to fit his perceived beliefs,must overcome a serious chronologial problem,refusing to cite the copious well-known record affirming an opposite interpretation,not interviewing the numerous individuals who would have provided a true picture,uses parts of the document in other contexts,carefully omits what it says about them: said about Seymour Hersh

http://www.assassinationscience.com/wron...

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, May 13, 2010, at 12:51 PM

Philemon

1.) I never said you were referring to Mr. Hersh.

2.) You may choose to see the World in black and white but in fact most things fall into a grey area whether we like it or not.

3.) Seymour Hersh has consistently proved to be correct in his investigations and has a long history of it...which began with the My Lai massacre in Vietnam. So he definitely has the credibility backed up by a long history of accurate reporting.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, May 13, 2010, at 9:31 AM

News,

I'll use one of your favorite tactics here:

Where in my post did I refer to Hersh? I said "someone" which could have been referring to numerous bloggers in this forum, including you and rr3yvo, or Hersh who admits in the article (already read from previous link, no need to continue posting same links) that he sometimes makes up stories that aren't true, albeit mostly based on fact. He even admitted that some of his stories are only what has potential to happen. Furthermore, he will not put these stories in print because that would be dishonest, but feels that he can say these things in speeches.

I fail to see the difference. I tend to see things in black and white. A lie is a lie whether in print or spoken. Of course, if he explained beforehand that he was fudging facts to protect the innocent and making up things that could have happened, then I am fine with it, orally or even in print.

-- Posted by Philemon on Thu, May 13, 2010, at 9:18 AM

Philemon

Well that was not Seymour Hersh.

If the interview he gave 5 years ago had been properly quoted, you would have learned that he said yes he will change dates, times, and places when he is speaking in order to protect his sources who's lives would be in jeopardy if anyone found out who they are, but that the facts and events he reports on are accurate. The reason that rr3yv0 did not provide a link to the article is because he did not want you to learn the context of the statement because it did not fit his purpose.

Here is the article...you can read if for yourself in its entirety:

http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/people/fea...

It helps when a person is quoted in context and it is unethical to quote someone out of context...plain and simple mate.

As to his investigation into our troops executing prisoners, you can see and hear it also for yourself:

http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0512/hersh-b...

-- Posted by news across on Thu, May 13, 2010, at 8:10 AM

Once someone lies, exaggerates, misstates, or whatever you want to call it, I tend to have a difficult time believing anything they say after that. I watched the CBS Evening News almost every night until a certain incident with one of the most highly respected journalists in the business showed that he didn't deserve it.

-- Posted by Philemon on Thu, May 13, 2010, at 7:54 AM

rr3yv0

Yeah just keep telling yourself that mate...maybe if you say it enough times it will come true lol lol lol.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, May 13, 2010, at 7:14 AM

man news if you were a musical instrument I would be a world class musician.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, May 13, 2010, at 7:02 AM

rr3yv0

Lol lol lol...it took me less than 3 minutes to find out what you were quoting. It didn't keep me busy lol.

As to the character of Seymour Hersh, he is one of the most highly respected journalists in the business ever since he broke the story on the My Lai massacre in Vietnam.

You aren't going to be able to discredit him by quoting him out of context. Even the quote you posted...which had nothing to do with his recent investigation in Afghanistan and was said 5 years before this investigation... was taken out of context. I recommend you read the entire article you were quoting from to get the full story.

Anyway, all you managed to do was discredit yourself friend...that is what you do when you quote something out of context.

As to facts, Mr Hersh reports eye-witness accounts, and he is well known for verifying everything. Granted we have to rely on his word on that since he is very careful to protect his sources for their safety, but he is so well respected that his credibility is never questioned by responsible journalists. Its important to remember that it is perfectly acceptable for credible journalists to protect their sources and it is a standard practice in journalism to do so.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, May 13, 2010, at 6:59 AM

That kept you busy though. The quotes are accurate because they are his and reflects the character and integrity of your sources. I didn't see any facts or reference to facts in the report either. You put a lot of faith in a man.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, May 13, 2010, at 6:06 AM

rr3yv0

I did some research on your posting.

The QUOTE THAT YOU POSTED WAS NOT MADE IN REFERENCE TO HIS CLAIM THAT OUR TROOPS ARE EXECUTING PRISONERS ON THE BATTLEFIELD.

The quote you posted, conveniently leaving out the link, was something he said in an interview in with the New Yorker ON May 21st, 2005... ALMOST 5 YEARS AGO AND HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH HIS INVESTIGATION INTO OUR SOLDIERS EXECUTING PRISONERS ON THE BATTLEFIELD WHICH HAD NOT EVEN OCCURRED AT THE TIME OF THE INTERVIEW YOU ARE POSTING A QUOTE FROM.

The quote you post can be found here in the original interview, again, dated MAY 21, 2005:

http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/people/fea...

Mr. Hersh has not recanted his statement. Mr. Hersh has not made any statement even remotely indicating that he has misspoken about our troops executing prisoners on the battlefield, and to date he stands by his statement.

In the video to which I posted a link, Mr. Hersh clearly states that 6 eye witnesses have all independently reported to him that they have witnessed numerous prisoners executed either by our troops or handed over to Afghan troops for immediate execution.

http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0512/hersh-b...

rr3yv0, IT IS UNETHICAL TO POST A QUOTE OUT OF CONTEXT AND IN THIS CASE YOU WENT AS FAR AS TO POST A QUOTE (without any link to the source) THAT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH HIS INVESTIGATION AND WHICH HE NEVER MADE IN RELATION TO HIS INVESTIGATION. IN FACT, YOU POSTED A QUOTE OF HIS STATEMENT FROM 5 YEARS PRIOR TO THE INCIDENT WHICH HAD NOT OCCURED AT THAT TIME AND OF WHICH HE COULD NOT POSSIBLY HAVE HAD ANY FORE-KNOWLEDGE.

Shame on you sir...shame. shame, shame.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, May 13, 2010, at 2:24 AM

rr3yv0

Could you post the link please. I would rather read the whole thing in context and check it for accuracy...thanks.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, May 13, 2010, at 1:52 AM

Interview with New York magazine, Hersh regretted that "I actually didn't quite say what I wanted to say correctly...it wasn't that inaccurate, but it was misstated. The next thing I know, it was all over the blogs. And I just realized then, the power of--and so you have to try and be more careful."

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, May 12, 2010, at 11:29 PM

"Sometimes I change events, dates, and places in a certain way to protect people... I can't fudge what I write. But I can certainly fudge what I say." Hersh

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, May 12, 2010, at 11:24 PM

"Hersh: US troops executing prisoners"

http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0512/hersh-b...

-- Posted by news across on Wed, May 12, 2010, at 10:50 PM

Also, regarding trains which transport goods and resources far more efficiently than trucks, almost all of our trains here in Australia now operate entirely on electricity. We are already doing it...so clearly it can be done.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, May 12, 2010, at 6:06 PM

White Tornado,

You say we cannot operate Trucks without oil. That is incorrect.

Trucks can operate on Natural Gas just fine. We have a large supply of Natural Gas in the World and unlike Oil, we are not running out of Natural Gas which burns clean and leaves a far smaller carbon stamp on the environment. By switching to electric cars and refitting our trucks and buses to operate on natural gas, we would be able to significantly reduce the carbon emissions that cause the greenhouse effects.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, May 12, 2010, at 5:35 PM

Before you get too eager for wind power, check with the nature folks about the animals, birds especially, harmed by the big turbines. Noise alone can be disconcerting! Solar and wind will help but at this time there is no way to move semi trucks without the oil. Without the trucks our supply of consumer goods would be drastically changed and our costs would be far higher than it is now. (Not sure what the railroads require in the way of oil. Anyone know?)

With electrical power, wind/solar, there are problems transporting the power for longer distances. Some area are getting great resistance to the power lines, tranformers, etc. NIMBY.

Drill off shore or ship from far away? Consider this current oil leakage vs an oil tanker destroyed by terrorist in a US port. The spill/leak is reported to be pouring out at 5,000 barrels per day expected to be under control in less than 90 days. That is equal to 450,000 barrels of oil. How much do the super tankers carry? The average super max carries 2,000,000 barrels or the same as about 4.5 times total of this spill. The largest tankers, the VLCC class, carry as much as 4,000,000 barrels or about 9 times this leakage.

Would it be better to have a tanker failure in a port or an occasional spill like we now have? It seems to me the closer our oil is the less danger of such catastrophes. The current usage by the US is approximately 20 million barrels per day, yes, PER DAY. It takes a lot of pipelines and ships to cover that requirement.

That would take 5 of the biggest tankers per day if it were all shipped in. An interesting tidbit, one of the big tankers only has to be in port for less than 24 hours to dock, unload, spray wash the hold, re-load with ballast water and sail. WT

-- Posted by White Tornado on Wed, May 12, 2010, at 4:00 PM

he without sin cast the first stone.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, May 12, 2010, at 6:39 AM

news I do have to agree

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Tue, May 11, 2010, at 11:01 PM

rr3yv0

I hope we can both agree on one thing. The United States of America is still the greatest Nation on Earth.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, May 11, 2010, at 10:48 PM

oh that's ok no hard feelings mate

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Tue, May 11, 2010, at 10:26 PM

rr3yv0

Gee I am sorry to hear that.

I thought you might have finally come to see the light.

My mistake for missing your sarcasm.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, May 11, 2010, at 10:24 PM

news that was a sarcastic statement in reference to nanadot's post. Not anything I would be silly enough to believe. Sorry to get your hopes up.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Tue, May 11, 2010, at 10:16 PM

rr3yv0

I never thought this day would come mate, but I agree with you.

I see very little difference between the policies of Bush/Cheney and those of Obama/Biden.

I know...you're probably amazed that we agree on anything, but on this topic we do seem to be in agreement. I am amazed as well mate...lol.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, May 11, 2010, at 9:48 PM

Sounds like Bush and Cheney are still in charge. Amazing!!!

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Tue, May 11, 2010, at 8:47 PM

"BP shareholder sues executives:

Suit claims oil company executives cut costs at the expense of safety.

http://www.csmonitor.com/From-the-news-w...

...and rightly so!

-- Posted by news across on Mon, May 10, 2010, at 8:57 PM

litlmissme,

Wind Power has a lot of commercial potential.

In fact, here in New South Wales wind farming and solar farming are now very profitable business. Here you have the option of purchasing green power through existing lines rather than doing business with the traditional coal burners. Surprisingly, the rates for the green power -- solar and wind power -- are significantly less than the traditional coal burners.

The growth of this new industry was made possible by large Federal and State Government grants for research and development of large-scale, commercial green power production. Its a good example of how government can be an effective catalyst for helping to create profitable industries and job creation while helping to cut carbon emissions -- all at the same time.

Another area of green power that we are looking at here in Australia is ocean tide electrical generation. Given the fact that Australia is the World's largest island, we have an enormous amount of available coastline to construct this new concept in green power. The USA also has a lot of coastal area as well and this may be a technology our Government in partnership with private energy providers may want to have a good look at. Its another clean, effective, and efficient method of power production.

http://www.alternative-energy-news.info/...

-- Posted by news across on Mon, May 10, 2010, at 7:09 PM

I have done some research on wind power and from the University of MO, the sustainable wind power in Cental MO is enough to power a large turbine.

I don't live in the city limits, however, I am sending letters to anyone willing to listen at REA.

There is a group of farmers in Morgan County (Stover), that are trying to create a large wind farm by pooling some acreage. I don't beleive that they are in the REA area but it is exciting to me to at least hear that someone in this general area is looking into it.

I am hoping that it is sucessful and other areas jump in and wind power becomes the norm.

:)

-- Posted by litlmissme on Mon, May 10, 2010, at 7:03 PM

Welcome back News. I missed your informative statements. Doubt if you have changed a single mind. Most of us are too afraid to leave our comfort zones. It takes guts to really open one's mind.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, May 10, 2010, at 6:48 PM

Litlmissme,

Some of the power our local company provides is purchased from a wind-powered generating station, I think in west Texas. As a utility customer, I get stuff in the mail about it. I can scan the documents as they arrive and upload them to a web hosting service then post the link here on the forum.

Sounds like a lot of busywork, doesn't it. I'm not certain the inforrmation contained in the newsletters we get would be pertinent to any other area of the country, but maybe. I haven't been reading much of it so far because our local provider slickered us customers into buying an interest in the South Texas Nuclear Project by providing false and misleading information, which the City Council used to make the decision to commit us to it.

Like all the rest of the crookedness that goes on down here, nothing more than whining was done about it.

The power company used the lame excuse that the number made available to the council had the decimal point in the wrong place. Can you imagine? The council pretended to pressure the power company, which is city-owned, into firing the people resposible, but, as per usual, nothing was done.

I would think that Kansas is generally windy enough to maybe support the installation of a generating plant. Maybe someone at KCPL would know something. Have you looked on their web site?

-- Posted by Slater on Mon, May 10, 2010, at 6:44 PM

I am really looking forward to reading more on wind power.

-- Posted by litlmissme on Mon, May 10, 2010, at 6:01 PM

mosthonest1: There is no website for Weiker as far as we know.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Mon, May 10, 2010, at 1:47 PM

Making the land available for exploraiton is just a way for the politicians to look like they're trying to help. They all know good and well that the environmentalists will keep it tied up in court until the oil companies get tired of screwing with it.

-- Posted by outsider on Mon, May 10, 2010, at 1:26 PM

eric

feeling the heat and taking it like a man

keep up the good work chief

zeke

-- Posted by zeke on Mon, May 10, 2010, at 10:41 AM

outsider

Well actually, I never said the "drill baby drill" statement originated with Palin...but it certainly was a major part of her campaign for the Vice Presidency.

And let's face it, she says that a lot.

In addition, the American People have set aside millions of acres of land available to the multi-national, non-American oil companies (which is all of them) -- such as BP -- to explore for oil and to drill on, and as President Obama stated many times during his campaign, we are willing to set aside even more land for them if they want. However, while the multi-national non-American oil companies have not turned down the additional drilling sites, they have spent millions lobbying for permission to drill off shore and continue to do so -- all the while neglecting to adequately explore the millions of acres of land we have already made available to them.

You have only to look to the unprecedented disaster in the Gulf of Mexico to see why we, the American People, through our elected officials, have attempted to meet with the demands of these mulit-national, non-American, oil companies while also trying to protect our off shore waters.

Frankly, with this preventable disaster, we can see that the non-American, Muliti-national oil companies are far more concerned with cutting costs than they are in responsibly drilling for oil.

(1) "Most oil leases on public lands go unused"

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5111184

(2) "Federal Government Opens 3.9 Million Acres for Oil Drilling in Alaska"

http://www.hillpundit.com/blogs/blog-bri...

(3) "Federal Government Leases Land in Arkansas and Louisiana for Oil and Gas Exploration"

http://www.redorbit.com/news/science/107...

(3) "Chronology of world oil market events (1970--2005)"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronology_...

(4) "Most Federal Oil, Gas Leases Unproductive"

http://www.climateark.org/shared/reader/...

(5) "Big Access, Little Energy -- the Oil and Gas Industry's Hold on Western Lands"

http://www.ewg.org/oil_and_gas/execsumm....

(6) "Cost of Doing Business: BP's $730 million in fines/settlements + 2 criminal convictions"

http://publiccitizenenergy.org/2010/05/0...

-- Posted by news across on Mon, May 10, 2010, at 10:39 AM

I am disappointed! Doesn't Weiker Funeral Home at Slater have a website to send condolences for the deceased family? I could NOT find one. Most Funeral Homes have this now for people that are homebound and can't get out to buy a card and go to the funeral. Will they get up to date in their business?

-- Posted by mosthonest1 on Mon, May 10, 2010, at 9:47 AM

I keep wondering when we're going to see an article in the paper about the group that have met several times to explore bringing wind electricity generation to the Marshall area (the big windmills). How about it, Eric? When are we going to get the story on this?

-- Posted by cmasretire on Mon, May 10, 2010, at 8:42 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
As soon as possible.

The "drill baby drill" remark wasn't originated by Palin and was referring to on-land exploration, not off-shore. However, the green weenies have managed to keep it from happening on land, so it's being done several miles deep in the ocean where it's much harder to deal with an accident. There are millions of acres of land in this country owned by the government in deserts and other sparsely populated areas that sit on top of untapped oil. Off-shore drilling is more expensive, more dangerous and more susceptible to accidents, but yet that's where the tree huggers have shoved it.

Of course, drilling on government land for oil would create a situation where the government would own the oil. (Not an especially appealing thought) You'd think the current crew would be excited about that prospect. Something else they could eventually ration to us.

-- Posted by outsider on Mon, May 10, 2010, at 7:20 AM

Viewing photos of the oil disaster in the Gulf, I can't help but think of the position of former, half-term Governor, Sarah Palin, when she said,

"Drill baby drill!"

Yeah Sarah, drill baby drill...smooth move, slick!

-- Posted by news across on Mon, May 10, 2010, at 3:59 AM

rr3yv0

Mate, I never said you did. I don't know where you get that idea from.

I did ask you a question though, and I am glad to hear you are not blaming the victim.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, May 9, 2010, at 9:40 PM

news I said nothing about blaming the victim just making a comment. chill!!!

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sun, May 9, 2010, at 9:28 PM

rr3yv0

Surely you are not blaming the victim?

The police officer in this case may be guilty of 3rd degree manslaughter...that is unintentional manslaughter. I don't have any idea of whether or not the officer is guilty of anything, but it seems to me the proper venue for deciding such guilt or innocence is the courtroom where both the People and the accused can get a fair trial.

It should be interesting to see how this plays out.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, May 9, 2010, at 9:09 PM

that's the epitome of the saying "being in the wrong place at the wrong time"

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sun, May 9, 2010, at 7:37 PM

"Police excused for killing bystander"

"Victim was in same color shirt as suspects; family calls report a whitewash."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con...

This manslaughter by the police begs the question: can the police be held accountable for their behavior anymore? Are we now living in a police state? Who will be the next victim? Will it be you and/or me?

Let's hope these cops don't get away with this act of manslaughter...lest it set a new precedent and lower our high moral and legal standards of behavior on the part of public employees.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, May 9, 2010, at 7:10 PM

The witness said it was an older couple in 60's-70's and they didn't stop really, just slowed down over the bridge and she saw them throw something out into the water. Once the witness then saw that it was a cat and she made sure it was swimming, the truck was to far to see plate number. I am just sick that there are people out there that would do such a thing.

-- Posted by awake on Sun, May 9, 2010, at 5:54 PM

awake, the people who told you this, the witnesses, can they give a description of the couple? It was said to be an older couple --- older as in their 60s? 70s?

What concerns me is WHY these people did this? Why throw it in the water instead of just turning it loose elsewhere? (I don't agree with that either but throwing an animal in to drown is pure cruelty)

-- Posted by Night Sky on Sun, May 9, 2010, at 2:59 PM

What color Dodge truck? Too bad someone didn't get a picture.

Where is the cat now -- still in the vicinity of the lake?

-- Posted by Night Sky on Sun, May 9, 2010, at 10:49 AM

This happened around 11ish on saturday afternoon......

-- Posted by awake on Sun, May 9, 2010, at 6:14 AM

It was witnessed yesterday an older couple pull up to the Hab Center lake in an older Dodge truck and throw a cat out the window, over the bridge and into the water and drove off. The cat did manage to swim to the edge. The license plate number was not seen and therefore unable to turn these people in. If anyone knows anything about this awful act and can report them, please do so.

-- Posted by awake on Sun, May 9, 2010, at 5:56 AM

Anita Renfroe's tribute to all the moms of the world:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0ZpuA8_Y...!

Happy Mother's Day!!

-- Posted by Slater on Sun, May 9, 2010, at 12:13 AM

Ok.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Sat, May 8, 2010, at 11:17 AM

Eric,

I have it on good authority that the Pat Morgan / County Commission fiasco has come to a head. It was believed that Mrs. Morgan had done something the commission wasn't happy with and it turned out she had done nothing wrong.It was all a big mistake. The situation was resolved and she is still employed by the county. Is this true and did I miss something in the paper about it?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Sat, May 8, 2010, at 10:34 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
We're still investigating the situation. There hasn't been a follow up story because we haven't got the information we're seeking.

ALM

I know that things have been this way for the last 69 years,but things change. In my job I take people to Dr.app,shopping etc. It is very difficult to find someone when there is nothing on the mail box to identify who lives where or when they give you there new 911 address and still have the old address on there house. Just saying that if everyone would comply with the regulations it would make things easyer for some of us that don't no were everyone lives

-- Posted by sheepdip on Fri, May 7, 2010, at 8:35 PM

Heh heh...Here's a little video for all you dog lovers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzPyp0-UY...

-- Posted by Slater on Fri, May 7, 2010, at 8:24 PM

This story should be a reminder to all of us who've tried and tried again before attaining a long-sought goal.

http://www.popfi.com/2010/05/07/persiste...

Hip Hip Hooray!

-- Posted by Slater on Fri, May 7, 2010, at 8:13 PM

Please call your senators and representatives to state your opposition to Senate Bill 844.

The people deserve better than to be required to register as lobbyists in order to voice an opinion to their elected officials!!!

Amy Crump

-- Posted by Amy Crump on Fri, May 7, 2010, at 5:17 PM

Our Lady Owls soccer team posted a come from behind victory yesterday evening. The girls are impressive to watch and have progressed steadily throughout the season. Way to go ladies!

-- Posted by red dog on Fri, May 7, 2010, at 4:10 PM

Sheepdip,

I think in smaller towns its easier for people to get away with little things like this. My aunt and uncle live in a VERY small rural area in SWMO and have never had their name or address on their mailbox and no one has ever cared. I can still address their mail to them with just Rt. 1 and the name of the town and they get it every time. When you live in a place where everyone knows everyone, things sometimes slip by unnoticed. Kudos to you for having done the appropriate thing, but I think if the mail recipients dont complain and the Post Office isnt complaining, there really isnt much to fill a front page story.

Just my opinion... :)

-- Posted by ALM on Fri, May 7, 2010, at 1:39 PM

I have to agree the park does look beautiful. Keep up the good work!

-- Posted by tommob on Fri, May 7, 2010, at 11:05 AM

I drove through Indian Foothills Park today and boy are the flowers beautiful. Thank you park staff for all that you do.

I can't wait for the other flowers to bloom this year.

-- Posted by movaldude on Fri, May 7, 2010, at 2:10 AM

Here's a telephone announcement message at an Australian school:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Sz-smVKK...

As they say on the Biography channel - True Story!

-- Posted by Slater on Thu, May 6, 2010, at 9:38 PM

Since no one seemed interested in my concern about mailboxes. I looked up the postal code for all curbside/rural boxes.

b. A house number if street names and house numbers have been assigned by local authorities, and the postmaster authorizes their use as a postal address. If the box is on a different street from the customer's residence, the street name and house number must be inscribed on the box.

Why if this the Post Office own rules do they not enforce them. It seems they make rules and then forget them. I think this is very unfair for those of us who spent the time and money to go by the rules.

Maybe a front page article would get them off there duffs or maybe its just no one want's to rock the boat.

-- Posted by sheepdip on Thu, May 6, 2010, at 7:29 PM

They have resurfaced the Plaza parking lot so many times and it never lasts.

-- Posted by ALM on Thu, May 6, 2010, at 4:56 PM

I heard a rumor Marshall is going to fix College Street. Not that it's as bad as the Plaza, but it is nasty. And if there is any validity to that rumor...Yippee!

-- Posted by Green Eyes on Thu, May 6, 2010, at 4:46 PM

The last time I was in Marshall I was walking through that parking area and stepped off into one of the pot ravines. A rope ladder had to be dropped in before I could get out.

Has anyone had to have a vehicle repaired because of the place?

-- Posted by Slater on Thu, May 6, 2010, at 4:01 PM

Drove by this a.m. The parking lot is being re-surfaced.

Have a great day!

M

-- Posted by missy08 on Thu, May 6, 2010, at 2:06 PM

Plaza Parking Lot.

I heard the property is owned by synagogues back east, like New York. Apparently the original owner(s) died off and left the property to more than one synagogue.

I seriously doubt the property is meaningful to any of the owners as far as upkeep is concerned. What is meaningful is the dollars the leases bring in. As long as someone is willing to rent the property there won't be too much change. It is obvious there won't be much money spent on property maintenance and that includes buildings.

Absentee landlords are wonderful aren't they?

Shazzbot

-- Posted by red dog on Thu, May 6, 2010, at 1:17 PM

Until something is done about the parking lot at the Marshall Plaza, I refuse to frequent any businesses located there. I went to Subway a few days ago and I'm not sure how I got out of there without losing a tire or two or perhaps my whole car. Some of the "pot holes" were "pot ravines." It would be OK if it was just one or two areas, but the whole parking lot looks like a war zone. How long will this situation be allowed to continue? For me, enough is enough.

-- Posted by OldOwl on Thu, May 6, 2010, at 11:32 AM

Ive found the info and conversations to be quite entertaining.

-- Posted by ALM on Thu, May 6, 2010, at 8:15 AM

Twas a beautiful day in my neighborhood.

The sun was shining, and that was good.

The jays waxed raucous as they should.

Their kind of a statement I understood.

Some other birds, most all of a feather,

can ruin a fine day despite good weather.

This little poem is dedicated to those who finally got their wish to see Speak Out free of political dispute. So, can't some of you think of something clever, thought provoking, or timely to fill this void?

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, May 6, 2010, at 12:39 AM

Will there be a story on the happenings of the Malta Bend senior trip? That seems news worthy...

-- Posted by thebirdman on Wed, May 5, 2010, at 10:01 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
If you have information for a story, please email at marshalleditor@socket.net or call 660-886-2233.

I thought that anyone who hasn't put there new 911 no's on mailboxes were not supposed to get mail deliver after April. It is 8 miles from my house to town and I counted 20 mail boxes with out numbers. I spent $20 and time to put no's on by box so my question is why are all these people still getting there mail delivered?

-- Posted by sheepdip on Wed, May 5, 2010, at 7:38 PM

I believe the house you are talking about was built by a local physician. It really is beautiful.

-- Posted by born-n-raised on Wed, May 5, 2010, at 5:11 PM

krsary, I may get in trouble for this, but if you're headed east on Eastwood, there is a marker on the left side of the road that says "Private Drive." Which means private drive, but it's such a pretty house that I have shown my friends. I do feel bad, though. Why else are they in the woods. For privacy... =)

-- Posted by Green Eyes on Wed, May 5, 2010, at 2:20 PM

Green Eyes

I love that house!! It's very beautiful, but I can never seem to remember exactly where to get to it from Eastwood. I would like to show it to my family.

-- Posted by krsary on Wed, May 5, 2010, at 12:25 PM

MrXray - you're posting in the wrong forum, but since we're here, I'll say that I was expecting you to educate me about the bill, since you presented yourself as an authority. I freely admitted that I haven't read it, nor will I read it, because I already know generally what's contained in it. I figured you'd be happy to give me the hard evidence to disprove my speculation, but I see I was expecting too much.

Now, if we have a need for further conversation about political topics, let's get in the proper forum.

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, May 5, 2010, at 10:30 AM

So, I've always lived in Marshall. When I was younger, my mom showed me a little hidden secret in the woods on Eastwood Street. There is a beautiful, Pagoda-style house. So if the owner reads the Speak Out posts, I've always thought it lovely!

-- Posted by Green Eyes on Wed, May 5, 2010, at 10:27 AM

Slater: It does not matter if I have read the AZ bill or not. YOU admitted that you have not but yet you criticize it with no intellectual backing (note to editor: Not calling anyone dumb) If you have not read the bill then you have no realistic basis for an educated opinion.

Go read the bill and the various opinions regarding the bill. It basically follows existing federal law.

You can attempt to state that you were not attempting to insult by bringing up WASP... but we all know that the hip way to debate is to find something that you, or anyone else on any side of any issue, and then use that to put down the other side.

instead of researching this issue and reading the bill, you are simply using personal opinion with NO basis about generalities and your opinion of the RIGHT. This is not really a good way to formulate opinions.

-- Posted by mrxray on Wed, May 5, 2010, at 1:47 AM

In keeping with the predominate Leftists on this site, I have to keep posting info to counter that view.

Since Obama and his minions and Chicago political heavy hands are in charge now, Obama is no RESPONSIBLE for the NYC terrorist getting on the plane. Democrat Lee Hamilton says we do not have very good means to check people leaving the country.

Granted Obama did not set up this program but he HAS been in office for a year and since he is the messiah to some, then he should have fixed this. SECURITY, after all, is constitutionally MORE important for the Federal government than health care or financial reform or any other power grab by the Federal government.

-- Posted by mrxray on Wed, May 5, 2010, at 1:43 AM

I did see the rainbow! It was beautiful...you could see the entire thing, start to finish, and it was as bright as many of the kids' smiles.

I also enjoyed seeing Mr. Crump's daughter coming to prom in a tux! Good show!

-- Posted by ALM on Tue, May 4, 2010, at 8:12 AM

It WAS a little drippy for the kids, but it didn't dampen their spirits any! I think they all had a great time. Did you see the beautiful rainbow right before they walked?

-- Posted by luvthoseowls on Mon, May 3, 2010, at 4:10 PM

Start recycling now. Look for and buy - made in the USA products. Happy May Day.

-- Posted by Pasta on Sun, May 2, 2010, at 5:46 PM

supposed to be sunny and beautiful tomorrow let's see if the weather man is right

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sat, May 1, 2010, at 7:22 PM

A fresh new month and a fresh new Speak Out. Looks like it might be pretty drippy for Prom walk-in tonight.

-- Posted by Eric Crump on Sat, May 1, 2010, at 1:02 PM


Respond to this story

Posting a comment requires free registration. If you already have an account on this site, enter your username and password below. Otherwise, click here to register.

Username:

Password:  (Forgot your password?)

Your comments:
Please be respectful of others and try to stay on topic.

Related subjects