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Speak Out April 1 to May 1, 2010

Thursday, April 1, 2010

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Pasta, not too much to read. Just turn it over and if you see "Made in China" then you know.

-- Posted by Night Sky on Fri, Apr 30, 2010, at 8:39 PM

It would be nice if items made in America could put a little American flag somewhere on the front of the package. I'd love to buy exclusively American made but I don't have time to read all the fine print.

-- Posted by Pasta on Fri, Apr 30, 2010, at 8:01 PM

Great example Smokin' Cheetah!! I have heard it referred to as the "sea of white". They have all this great value stuff, then one name brand mixed in...upon close review that name brand item is cheaper.

Buyer Beware!!

-- Posted by Scarpetta on Fri, Apr 30, 2010, at 4:11 PM

Why can we no longer post on certain stories?

-- Posted by toesrcute on Fri, Apr 30, 2010, at 3:32 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Over the past 2 1/2 years that we've been able to offer discussion features on our website, we've noticed a clear pattern: comments on crime stories are more likely to violate our policy than comments on any other type of story. It takes a disproportionate amount of time to monitor those discussions, so we decided to suspend the comment feature on crime-related stories.

Some may find this interesting if not downright depressing.

http://wakeupwalmart.com/feature/foodsaf...

-- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, Apr 30, 2010, at 2:40 PM

Walmart gives a false sense of savings I think. A customer really has to watch what they are buying because the display will say .99 cents but the shelf says 1.99...guess what it rings up as...you betcha the 1.99.

Personally I try to avoid that place, I try to support local business. Yeah I know the complaint that local business is too high is coming, well to that I say...play close attention because it isn't always that way.

Now if we can just get the people that own the plaza to fix that parking lot, I will be happy. Isn't there a city ordinance that says a commercial property owner has to keep the property up to code for use by the public?

-- Posted by Scarpetta on Fri, Apr 30, 2010, at 2:17 PM

I agree WTF... I have practically boycotted Wal-Mart. If you notice, alot of the produce comes from Mexico. My daughter got a job in Columbia at Walmart...only lasted 2 months. She didn't like the idea that they are trained basically to rip people off. Yes, people there is life outside of WalMart!

-- Posted by tommob on Fri, Apr 30, 2010, at 12:10 PM

I wouldn't be surprised about the customer service is going to pot consisering most of their products are nothing more tham disposable, imported junk. Even alot of groceries and produce is imported. I thought maybe food would be the one American Made product they would sell anymore. Sadly, I am mistaken. We have been trying to throw as much business as we can to anyplace but Wal-Mart. I wonder how Sam Walton would feel about what has happened to his company that once proudly supported American products.

Remember people, there is life outside of Wal-Mart. Try it, you may like it.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, Apr 30, 2010, at 11:11 AM

Does anyone other than me think that the service at Wal-Mart has gone to pot? They never have any of the items that you need and customer service is horrible. Not to mention the prices are alot more expensive than the surrounding stores. Whats up with that?

-- Posted by tommob on Fri, Apr 30, 2010, at 10:34 AM

Slater that was pretty funny but for the music I think I will stick to the 70's rock n roll.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Fri, Apr 30, 2010, at 6:21 AM

Any "music" lovers out there? Apparently, using computer error tones to generate music constitutes a whole new genre. Here's one example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTU-pyQ_a...

-- Posted by Slater on Thu, Apr 29, 2010, at 11:42 PM

ND - when your daughter was young, is this something you might have considered as one way to entertain company? :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4S8cNrIR5...

-- Posted by Slater on Thu, Apr 29, 2010, at 11:32 PM

WT - you did mention a few months back that you were considering a move north, but we hadn't heard m uch out of you for a good while, so we didn't know what was up with you.

My son lived in the Seattle area for a time, while he was stationed there with the Coast Guard. He was assigned to an ice breaker (was on both - the Polar Star and the Polar Sea). He made the evening news one winter when he was driving home from work during a big snow and ended up in one of the drainage canals flanking the expressway. The news camera caught him shoveling his truck out of the snow.

Playing online poker, eh? Are you cashing in, like the young man in Marshall? :)

-- Posted by Slater on Thu, Apr 29, 2010, at 11:18 PM

Slater, I currently live west of Seattle and spend a lot of time playing poker on the net. It's a nice small town that really caters to us older folk with lots of free shuttle bus', plenty of medical clinics which I've not needed yet, a really nice health club with weights, hot tubs and pools.

Weather rarely gets lower that 30 and never warmer than low 80's due to the ocean currents about 10 or so miles away as the crow flies.

My former wife of 34 years lives about 38 miles and a 25 minute ferry ride away. We got divorced about 8 years ago when I was promised a heart attack within 6 months unless I got a triple by-pass. I said no thanks, I'll by pass the by-pass. Since we had sustantial assets and the inheritance taxes would have been 70% Fed. and Ca. we decided on a no fault divorces and she got everything except my retirement fund from Pan Am which leaves me in good shape financially. If I had died she would have owed a lot of taxes but there are no taxes on divorce settlements!

In the mean time I have completely cleaned the 3 97% blocks. Had an angiogram 6 years or so ago and the doctors were amazed that there was no clogging at all! I take absolutely no medicines and eat as healthy as I can without being a fanatic about it, but, lots of vitamins and minerals with tons of exercising each day, a glass of red wine in the evenings now and then, not every day as I do take resveratrol in the vitamins.

Anyway, hope this isn't too boring. WT

-- Posted by White Tornado on Thu, Apr 29, 2010, at 9:27 PM

thank you okr and I want to thank tontonnii

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, Apr 29, 2010, at 9:12 PM

rr3 you are right it is no one's business concerning Mr. Shaw. I suspect that curiosity is the driving force behind most of the comments.

If I ever won such a sum all my donations would be anonymous just to keep em guessing.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Apr 29, 2010, at 5:47 PM

thank you cosa nostra and pennypincher1

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, Apr 29, 2010, at 4:24 PM

Commenting about Mr. Shaw is getting a little old. Lets move on.

-- Posted by pennypincher1 on Thu, Apr 29, 2010, at 4:12 PM

cosa nostra how much are you spending to help your fellow man?

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, Apr 29, 2010, at 2:00 PM

cosa nostra people that think like me? What does that mean? You are right about using your own money or resources to help your fellow man is a noble thing I do it all the time. Wondering about how much or when someone is going to do it NOSY.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, Apr 29, 2010, at 1:57 PM

How Mr. Shaw spends his money is TOTALLY his business. You busybodies need to keep your noses out of other peoples personal lives.

-- Posted by Tontonnii on Thu, Apr 29, 2010, at 1:05 PM

WT - from the sound of it, I'd say all of you were lucky to survive.

The AWOL thing happened to my brother who was in the Navy at the time. He had an accident in our brother's car while on leave and ended up in a hpspital around St. Louis. We didn't know what had happened to him until he regained his senses. Like you he talked himself out of a reprimand.

Thinking about the old 240 highway, there have been lots of accidents on that old road between Marshall and Slater, many resulting in fatalities.

You still live in CA, or did you move north?

-- Posted by Slater on Thu, Apr 29, 2010, at 11:41 AM

Night Sky it doesn't matter what he does or doesn't do with HIS money. None of your business,my business or anyone else's business.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, Apr 29, 2010, at 6:08 AM

What do you mean "still" wondering? It's only been a week.

And don't you think the man should do some good with that much money? Do more than buy a boat, a truck and take a trip to Disney World?

Sure it's his money but he put himself in the public eye the next morning by the way he announced himself as the winner and doing so on camera.

So in my book, it's ok to wonder.

-- Posted by Night Sky on Wed, Apr 28, 2010, at 9:42 PM

I can't believe someone is still wondering what Mr. Shaw is going to do with HIS money. It's nobody's business end of story.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Apr 28, 2010, at 8:55 PM

Been a week now since the big powerball win. Is there any word of what Mr. Shaw plans to do with the money? I mean, as in regard to charity and good works?

-- Posted by Night Sky on Wed, Apr 28, 2010, at 8:27 PM

Slater. you may be confusing that one with the one Don and I were in during xmas vacation 1956 from the Marines on my way to flight training. I had recently gotten a new car to drive to Pensacola. I had picked up my childhood sweetheart and Don at the HS along with a teammate that needed a ride home.

Don wasn't allowed to drive in town yet so at the edge of town we stopped and switched places. The two of them got in front while Donna and I got in the back so Don could drive home.

The next thing I can remember was walking up the road in a daze as someone helped me into a really warm car. Then a blank until I woke up in the hospital. Not sure just what injuries Don had but not as bad as his teammate friend who had some severly broken bones and head injuries since this was prior to seat belts. Donna also suffered a broken neck bone that kept her in the hospital for quite some time.

Me? My hard head was finally used properly as a whack from the window frame knocked me out but nothing broken. I was "AWOL" for flt training, a day late getting there, but lucky for me, the Doctor or someone called the Marine Corps to let them know so I managed to avoid being booted out of flt. training before I started.

As I recall being told, one of our school friends was running his car at high speed to recharge the battery. We were going up Montegue Hill (sp?) when he came around the curve, out of control, and hit us head on. I'm sure Don could give you more info. Life has some funny twists and I've had my share. WT

-- Posted by White Tornado on Wed, Apr 28, 2010, at 5:07 PM

Eric -

And here I thought Wisconsin was the only place you could get frostbite in the morning and a sunburn by evening! I have to say, at least I can never recall snow in June!

-- Posted by koeller77 on Wed, Apr 28, 2010, at 3:01 PM

WT, I never knew the location of the accident, and all I heard was that the hood blew up and Farrel opened the door to lean out so he could see, but lost control.

Someone once told me they had heard that either you or your brother was in the car. Evidently that was some misinformation unless that was a different accident.

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, Apr 28, 2010, at 2:35 PM

Concerning Farrel Kuhn, he was a freshman at MHS when I was a senior. I may be wrong about the accident but I recall we had played a basketball game in Sedalia. He was with 3 other guys, not bb players, who asked me if I'd like to ride home but Coach Gaba would not allow it since I had no prior parental permission. The team "rule" seemed to be ride home from away games could only be with parents unless prior arrangements had been made.

This accident happened north of Marshall Junction with 2 of the riders killed, Farrel and the other seriously injured. After 55 years I can not recall all the info but I've always owed a lot to Coach Gaba as I could have been there. Many years later, home visiting, I bumped into Farrel on the square. It seemed his mind was "frozen" into that era so we had a nice chat about the ball team (of 1955). He was really happy to see me as I was evidently his favorite team member. I was happy to brighten that day for him.

Again, I'm not absolutely sure this was the same accident and, since I pretty much left the area after HS graduation, I don't recall any other names. My best regards to his family and friends. WT

-- Posted by White Tornado on Wed, Apr 28, 2010, at 1:31 PM

It's coming down in buckets; or it's raining cats and dogs, or the best one is ditch cleaner.

-- Posted by litlmissme on Tue, Apr 27, 2010, at 8:12 PM

George Carlin on "Stuff" 1986. Now TLC has a show called Buried Alive, about people who hoard. Too bad they weren't hoarding money.

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Tue, Apr 27, 2010, at 8:02 PM

Characterbuilder, Right ON... I too agree that we need to TEACH our youngsters rather than beat them over the head. Lord knows what a mixed up society we live in with all the poor examples being shown. Yes, the Judges and Prosecutors have a sizeable task everyday, but by reading between the lines they have a unique way of handling situations. The 3 teens that had made the stupid mistake was just that, and nothing else. I am sure no one was hurt, and restitution was made, so let them go on and continue to learn how society works. We need them as leaders God knows what's ahead. Topknotch

-- Posted by topknotch on Tue, Apr 27, 2010, at 7:03 PM

koeller77,

That reminds me... I have a friend who lived for 12 years in Montana. He and I went to a music camp there last June and got snowed on! He assured me they *do* have summer in Montana. "And if it happens on a weekend, we have a picnic."

Sure made me appreciate our long, hot, muggy summers!

-- Posted by Eric Crump on Tue, Apr 27, 2010, at 5:13 PM

LOL, Cheetah -

I'm from Wisconsin, and I have to tell you, we *may* all be midwesterners (something my mother & I still argue about), but you all sure do speak a different language sometimes!

The coastal regions name for rain reminds me of the comment about only having two seasons around here: winter & construction!

-- Posted by koeller77 on Tue, Apr 27, 2010, at 4:58 PM

Good job "Marshall Fire Department" on putting out the fire this morning!!!!!!!

-- Posted by pennypincher1 on Tue, Apr 27, 2010, at 1:36 PM

OKR

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvgN5gCuL...

Perhaps it would be helpful for us to accumulate less "stuff"

-- Posted by ceh_meh@verizon.net on Tue, Apr 27, 2010, at 9:53 AM

How about turtles walking uphill as an indicator of coming rain?

-- Posted by ceh_meh@verizon.net on Tue, Apr 27, 2010, at 9:41 AM

Smokin' Cheetah - I LOVE "toad strangler"...I had never heard it until I acquired a step-father from Marshall, but now it's my new favorite when we're having a heavy rainstorm!

-- Posted by koeller77 on Tue, Apr 27, 2010, at 9:21 AM

What happened to News Across? Did he take his ball and go home?

-- Posted by Cheese on Tue, Apr 27, 2010, at 4:26 AM

Howdy Cheetah. As a little kid on the farm I often heard heavy rain referred to as a gully washer, and at times as a God send. From my own sick mind I like straight flush, and hiking weather for the senseless (from "hasn't got sense enough to...).

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Apr 27, 2010, at 1:15 AM

You knew things were bad, but did you know that they were this bad? Interesting figures developed by the Pew Research Center. In my opinion only vigorous populism can save our bacon. http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?conte...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Apr 27, 2010, at 12:41 AM

Kathy and all who were bailing out the basements for weekend "fun" much sympathy. I hope your homeowners insurance covers your property losses. We had five flood situations in 50 years. Each in a different location. No longer a fan of basements as extra living or storage space. In one community, neighbors had concrete platforms built for their washer and dryer. The wife was so short, she had to climb on a step stool to see inside the washer. Not good as balance becomes more precarious as we age.

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Mon, Apr 26, 2010, at 8:51 PM

You know, based on a few comments about water in the basement, it sounds as if the city should be working on upgrading its stormwater/sewer drainage system.

-- Posted by Slater on Mon, Apr 26, 2010, at 1:55 PM

Cosa Nostra and upsedaisy, thank you for all the great suggestions, especially the peanut hotline! As we were bailing out the basement yesterday (an all-day project), we got a good look at how much space was taken up by packing materials and realized it was time to take action. I just knew appealing to our readers would get results! Thanks again to all.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Mon, Apr 26, 2010, at 11:18 AM

I recently read a comment about a Marshall Teen who was given probation for an incident involving 3 youths, and pennypincher felt that he should have gotten the maximum punishment. HOW SAD of such a comment. All 3 youths made a stupid mistake and yes should be "TAUGHT" with reasonable "Fit the Crime" punishment. I applaud Judge Rolf for his giving Jason DeFriese probation in this incident. I have known Jason for many years, he was born Deaf and spent many years in speech therapy learning our language. I also know he has spent considerable time during his upbringing educating younger students at the elementary level that individuals with disabilities also have excellent abilities and can be leaders. Jason yes, made a mistake as many teenagers do, however we as adults should recognize the positive and help them move beyond these bumps. Our world today is quite complicated and sends many confusing messages to everyone. Throwing the BOOK at someone because of one mistake only shows the shallowness of ones mind. I for one have made mistakes in the past and am extremely grateful to those who have given me other chances to show my abilities rather than put me away for ever. We as a Society need to think twice or maybe even three times before Judging an individual without fully knowing that person. "Pennypincher1" I am sure has made a mistake or two and most likely glad that someone looked at the positive that can be obtained by TEACHING right from wrong. Thank "GOD" for individuals like our Judges and Prosecutors in looking beyond such incidents and give someone the opportunity to learn from their mistake and go on. Thank You Judge Rolf for your decision in this case. CharacterBuilder

-- Posted by characterbuilder on Mon, Apr 26, 2010, at 8:22 AM

When I was a kid I had a pair of ice skates that were a couple of sizes bigger than my feet. Thick socks did it for me, but I don't know if any socks come with an oversized toe.

-- Posted by Slater on Mon, Apr 26, 2010, at 1:20 AM

Hey Cosa, Kathy's got some extra packing peanuts you could use to fill those shoes.

-- Posted by Night Sky on Mon, Apr 26, 2010, at 12:48 AM

Do you still have the big shoes?

-- Posted by Slater on Sun, Apr 25, 2010, at 11:42 PM

Kathy, Our UPS store happily takes in the peanuts. The ones made of cornstarch will melt. Packing peanuts used in the bottom of flower pots provide good drainage. Flower pots are also lighter to move about. Great help if you have to move plants at night out of reach of deer. That reminds me--there is a hydrangea that needs to come in.

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Sun, Apr 25, 2010, at 11:04 PM

CN - I've noticed you're adept at producing a variety of resources. Cool. :)

-- Posted by Slater on Sun, Apr 25, 2010, at 8:59 PM

I wonder that myself, Scarpetta. It's the law in most states. My lights are always on, rain or shine, but I see plenty of people in all weathers and all hours of the day and early evening and not a single ray of shine comes from their lights.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Sun, Apr 25, 2010, at 10:46 AM

I just spoke with a board member and yes Marshall Soccer Leagues games are cancelled for today.

-- Posted by litlmissme on Sun, Apr 25, 2010, at 10:45 AM

Thanks Kathy, I was wondering how much rain we had gotten. I too woke up to some water in my basement, although not as bad as I feared considering the hurricane like blob smack dab over central Missouri yesterday.

Which leads me to this...did a bit of traveling yesterday on I70. Are people honestly that dense that when it is raining, they don't know to turn their lights on? It's a wonder we only saw 2 accidents.

-- Posted by Scarpetta on Sun, Apr 25, 2010, at 10:14 AM

A little CCR couldn't be more appropriate this morning:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIPan-rEQ...

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Sun, Apr 25, 2010, at 9:56 AM

Our rain gauge outside shows just under three inches (we're on the east side of town). I think I'll see if any of my packing peanuts will melt - I could just sort of spread several thousand of them on the patio and see what happens...or maybe not...

I don't want to be an alarmist about the amount of rain we've had, but I just saw an old guy with a beard rowing a boat down the street accompanied by two giraffes, two monkeys and a unicorn ... guess we know what happened to the unicorns now, don't we?

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Sun, Apr 25, 2010, at 8:19 AM

littlemissme, thank you. As far as how much rain there has been, I'll just say "way too much" and an unwelcome lot of it in my basement. And if anyone's going to be playing soccer today, I'm guessing they'll need scuba gear! I'll see if I can find out for you, though. Thanks again.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Sun, Apr 25, 2010, at 8:13 AM

Kathy:

Try mailboxes and more in Sedalia I don't know if they will take them, but it is worth a try. Did you know there are some made from corn dust that will "melt" under water?

-- Posted by litlmissme on Sun, Apr 25, 2010, at 7:51 AM

Does anyone know how much rain we had? Also, if the soccer games will be cancelled?

-- Posted by litlmissme on Sun, Apr 25, 2010, at 7:46 AM

Good morning, Marshall. I am in need of a little help today, so I thought I'd put you to work. Does anyone know of a place within, say, 75 miles or so, that takes packing peanuts to recycle?

One of the unintended consequences of living in a smallish town is that there are some things that must be mail-ordered and the consequence of mail order is packing peanuts and plastic bumper sleeves in large quantities. I want to be responsible and not put them in a landfill, but my patience with the amount of basement real estate occupied by these obnoxious items is wearing thin.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Sun, Apr 25, 2010, at 7:42 AM

Slater Steve McQueen Days,

I went down to Slater yesterday for the Steve McQueen Days. It was really cool. Lots of bikes and even more great cars. Even if the weather was less than cooperative, it seems like it's getting bigger every year.

The coolest thing of all was that Slater let grown ups be grown ups. There was a beer vendor...right on the street! I really enjoyed looking at all the classic displays all while being able to enjoy a frosty cold one right on the street. They even let other grown ups bring thier own coolers of cold ones. They sat in their lawn chairs enjoying the activities and enjoyed a cold beer. Right on the street........out in the open!!! Yes, there where children there but the grown ups acted like grown ups. It was a gas.

Thanks Slater. Thanks for allowing grown ups to be grown ups again.

Marshall could learn alot from our neighbor if we weren't so oppressive.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Sun, Apr 25, 2010, at 7:11 AM

Thanks Jo. I didn't know him too well, be he seemed like a decent sort. We met at the teen club that was upstairs on the NE corner of the square.

I saw him around Marshall a few times after the accident and it made me sad to see what had happened to him.

I hope his life was as good as it could be under the circumstances.

-- Posted by Slater on Sat, Apr 24, 2010, at 8:56 PM

Thanks for the information, GH. I'm sorry to learn of his passing.

-- Posted by Slater on Sat, Apr 24, 2010, at 8:50 PM

Yes Slater, i new him.I really don't know what happend to him! I do know he lived with his father in Independence back in the late 50's. I don't remember if his Mother died ,and that was the reason he was with his Father. I know his Mother was taking care of him for several years.after his Car Wreck. They gave daily reports ,while he was in the Hospital I was a little Older then him,but i knew his Mother well. My mother & Dad knew the Family. His Dad and Mother Divorced a little before he was Hurt.I seen him and his Dad in a Bar in Independence . He seemed to have gotten better from the last time i seen him,witch was a little after the accident. If i'm not mistaken he had just started School at Missouri Valley. It was really hard on his Mother! He was a good kid!They came to my Dads Bar once in awhile! Thats all i know Slater ,glad i could help.

-- Posted by Jo on Sat, Apr 24, 2010, at 8:42 PM

Slater, Mr. Kuhn has been deceased for several years. GH

-- Posted by Gray hair on Sat, Apr 24, 2010, at 8:17 PM

Does anyone know Farrel Kuhn (sp)? His name just now popped into my mind, and I recall that he sustained a head injury in an auto accident, and I wondered what became of him.

-- Posted by Slater on Sat, Apr 24, 2010, at 7:51 PM

Lets move on. I'm tired of hearing about "Powerball", "Chris Shaw" and "Schools"

-- Posted by pennypincher1 on Sat, Apr 24, 2010, at 2:02 PM

Plenty of conversation has ensued for and against Ms. Latimer's discussion on the tv news report about Mr. Shaw's good fortune. My focus would be not so much on her answer to the question, but rather on the relevance of the question itself.

I'm not able to put all the parts together, since I'm unaware of the chronology of the events, but I AM wondering why the news people were interviewing her and not the current mayor or Mr. Shaw. That occurrence seems odd, unless his name hadn't become known prior to that news broadcast.

At any rate, Jo is right about the unscrupulous horde trying to descend on Shaw. I do hope any of you who knows an HONEST lawyer will offer the suggestion. He'll need all the help he can get to protect his sizeable fortune.

Would anyone know if the rules of the game mandate that the names of winners be revealed?

-- Posted by Slater on Sat, Apr 24, 2010, at 1:53 PM

Since so many of you feel it was in poor taste to say that on Marshall's "wishlist" is new schools, just what would you have asked for? It's my understanding from Eric's post that was the question that was asked. Why is this such a big deal? It wasn't stated on the news or anywhere else that the City expects Mr. Shaw to do anything of the kind. It was simply an answer to a question.

Ask members of other communities what a major boost news schools have been to them economically. Perhaps the "wishlist" answer isn't wrong after all.

-- Posted by spareme on Sat, Apr 24, 2010, at 12:30 PM

I've been following the Chris Shaw story some, and even though it's a fortuitous event in his life, it's unsettling how these occasions also have their dark side.

I hope Mr. Shaw is good at saying no to the panhandlers.

-- Posted by Slater on Sat, Apr 24, 2010, at 11:12 AM

News Across,

If you read other Missouri newspapers you may find an article in the Mexico Ledger of interest. "Corporal Walker Lillard to be honored"

Born into slavery in Kentucky in 1838, he relocated to Missouri w/his owner's daughter, in 1852 or 53. When the Emancipation Proclamation went into effect 1 Jan 1863, it only freed slaves in the Confederacy. So the only way Walker Lillard could legally gain his freedom was to join the Union Army. An interesting story.

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Fri, Apr 23, 2010, at 10:41 PM

Perfect name! "Awake Elementary" Go for it.

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Fri, Apr 23, 2010, at 10:34 PM

I would build a school here but you would have to name it after me! Nothing says fame like a building named after you!! :)

-- Posted by awake on Fri, Apr 23, 2010, at 10:10 PM

Why is it that no matter the news, good or bad, certain people have to behave negatively? And to make matters worse they try to take everyones comments out of context! If you weren't there and did not hear it with your own ears SHUT YOUR TRAP!! I praise Mrs Latimer for thinking of the children of our community. I am sure if you were asked "your wish" your response would not include anyone but yourself!

-- Posted by Proudsportsmom on Fri, Apr 23, 2010, at 6:17 PM

I spoke just a bit ago with Connie Latimer. She offered some clarification about how her comments in response to the Powerball winner came about.

She said a reporter from the TV station called her and posed a question before Chris Shaw had been identified as the winner: "He asked me if we could have anything we wanted in the city, what did I think was needed most?"

She said "new schools" was the first thing to come to mind.

"There's nothing that makes a city look more prosperous than new schools," she said. "I explained how old they were. I didn't say I expected the young man to give us anything. His winnings are his business."

-- Posted by Eric Crump on Fri, Apr 23, 2010, at 5:45 PM

you know it just does not surprize me that the greedy people of marshall would be standing with hands out. making the comment that ms lattimer made about new school yes she made the comment it was on the news. let some of the old money pay for the school. chris needs to get out of town before they break him. run run run

-- Posted by vamperila123 on Fri, Apr 23, 2010, at 5:41 PM

Ah yes Cheetah, I agree with you...way too soon.

Cynics? On this blog? Never!! lol :)

-- Posted by Scarpetta on Fri, Apr 23, 2010, at 4:56 PM

cheetah -

who knows - dey may just be da best protection money can buy yous guys ...

zeke

-- Posted by zeke on Fri, Apr 23, 2010, at 3:34 PM

hey cheetah

i thought you were in the witness protection program already!

zeke

-- Posted by zeke on Fri, Apr 23, 2010, at 2:25 PM

Mine wasn't either Cheetah, I said MOVE!!

I will email Fox 4 if needed to see about the story. I find often times that what they show on the actual program doesn't make it onto the web site.

-- Posted by Scarpetta on Fri, Apr 23, 2010, at 2:06 PM

I have found no such video w/ Mrs. Lattimer in it.

This is Missouri... SHOW ME!

Congratulations to Chris Shaw =)

-- Posted by nomad on Fri, Apr 23, 2010, at 10:10 AM

Hey Chris...you say you like fishing. Buy yourself a nice bass boat and a place at Table Rock and move QUICKLY....before the city and county dream up a bunch of crap to try to shame you into paying for.

There's plenty of old money in this area they can beg for.

-- Posted by outsider on Fri, Apr 23, 2010, at 10:06 AM

Did I understand the Kansas City news correctly last night that our city officials are suggesting that Chris Shaw give money to build a new school? I think that takes a lot of nerve and is very stupid of our city!!

-- Posted by pennypincher1 on Fri, Apr 23, 2010, at 9:02 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
I checked the Fox 4 website and didn't see any evidence that a city official had commented, but it might have been on a broadcast and not in the web video. If someone could post who commented and what they said, that would be great.

Now I remember why I never had wanted children.

-- Posted by ALM on Fri, Apr 23, 2010, at 8:02 AM

Amen Eric.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, Apr 23, 2010, at 7:16 AM

Slater & News across:

Please stop bickering.

-- Posted by Eric Crump on Fri, Apr 23, 2010, at 6:48 AM

Mr Shaw

Congratulations on your lottery win!!

I hope all your dreams will now come true.

Good on ya mate!!!

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Apr 23, 2010, at 1:21 AM

Slater

Things are going as well as can be expected.

Have enjoyed reading all the comments about the good old days. A good number of the places I don't know of. I was in the area for only seven years and that was fourty years ago. Still like reading of the places that I do recall. How about the old cars? Learned to drive with a 1946 Chrysler. Anyone else?

-- Posted by pressman on Fri, Apr 23, 2010, at 12:02 AM

Memory is indeed selective, isn't it News.

If you deny calling those discussions "ramblings," then you must have been attacking me personally, and, therefore, I ask you to please not attack me personally. If my thoughts are disagreeable to you, please just go on to others you find more to your liking.

-- Posted by Slater on Thu, Apr 22, 2010, at 11:51 PM

Slater

Well that all depends on one's perspective I guess.

Yes I find some of the stories boring. I find others interesting. Why do you seem to assume I must find all of them interesting or all of them boring?

I think that sometimes our memories are selective.

We tend to remember what we think were the "fabulous '50's (or '60s, or 70's, ect) from our own particular, individual perspectives. I don't mind reading about chickens running loose or where the old skating rink was. In fact, my Father -- who dates much further back in Marshall, my late Grandparents, who date much further back in Marshall, have told me some very interesting stories from the early 1900s, 1920s, 1930s, and 1940s from their memories of Marshall that were certainly interesting -- though not always entertaining...and not always pleasant. So I am used to hearing a lot of old stories about Marshall.

But I haven't read any of the memories of some of our minority population here in this forum. I suspect their memories of "the good old days" may be vastly different from the stories I have read so far...and yes, I am interested in reading their take on "the good old days" in Marshall. However, I would not be surprised to learn that their is a great divide between the memories of victims and the memories of folks who may have just stood by and ignored the victimization of some of our residents...for no reason other than the fact that they looked different from the majority of Marshallites.

I plan to write some of the local folks who may have some interesting stories to tell of their experiences and encourage them to post their memories and stories in this forum.

I think those stories will be most interesting indeed!

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Apr 22, 2010, at 11:25 PM

News said this:

"I would love to read some of the stories some of our minority residents have of the old days. I would love to read their recollections of how wonderful life was for them."

ME: Would anyone care to offer an interpretation of that statement?

-- Posted by Slater on Thu, Apr 22, 2010, at 11:18 PM

That's interesting, News. Earlier today you called those discussions "ramblings," and now you're saying they're fun.

So, which is it, interesting or boring?

-- Posted by Slater on Thu, Apr 22, 2010, at 10:59 PM

I guess I missed most of them, Night Sky, but I see a couple of mine are gone, one from earlier today and then one from this evening.

I don't mind having my posts censored, but I would like to know what is determined to be in violation when it does happen.

It's sort of like a basketball game where in the first half the officials allowed lots of fouling to go uncalled, then in the second half breathing on the opposing player was good for a foul.

-- Posted by Slater on Thu, Apr 22, 2010, at 10:55 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
I understand your point, Slater. I wish I had time to provide explanations for my decisions, but with rare exceptions, I don't (still have a paper to get out every day & all :-)

But I think a more apt analogy would be of a basketball game where at half time the officials admit they've been too lenient and in the second half are going to call 'em all.

See my recent comment on the matter:

www.marshallnews.com/blogs/crump/entry/3...

Walking down memory lane can be a lot of fun for many of us and disconcerting for some folks.

We have read quite a few of the postings here that take us down memory lane but it seems as if most of those memories are only from one perspective.

I would love to read some of the stories some of our minority residents have of the old days. I would love to read their recollections of how wonderful life was for them.

After all, when the population of Marshall includes 35% minority folks, their memories and opinions must certainly matter too...don't they?

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Apr 22, 2010, at 10:40 PM

I must say that tonight's posts, most now deleted, were more entertaining than anything on tv. And that includes the NFL draft.

-- Posted by Night Sky on Thu, Apr 22, 2010, at 9:56 PM

Wouldn't it be better to create a 'Gossip and Trivia' section that you have to access through links rather than allocate that to 'Politics'? It seems to me that the intellectual rigor that this section has always encouraged will soon disappear totally if those with a hidden agenda get their way. Reflecting on past events has limited appeal whereas most people who bother to write to newspapers do so because of politics and failure to cater for them will ensure less readership.

-- Posted by Divergent Thinker on Thu, Apr 22, 2010, at 9:46 PM

red dog, thank you for the link to the racetrack. It's a nice site. Did you know Mr. Copas?

-- Posted by Night Sky on Thu, Apr 22, 2010, at 6:55 PM

"NY civil rights group sues over federal photo ban"

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/04/22/ny-...

Try as they might, the tyranny of the majority over the minority rarely succeeds, an in the end its we the tax-payers who foot the bill.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Apr 22, 2010, at 6:50 PM

cheese, I can answer your question. You marry a rich Australian, that's how.

-- Posted by Night Sky on Thu, Apr 22, 2010, at 6:47 PM

Slater

Thank you for your suggestion, but frankly civil rights are a human interest topic.

Perhaps the problem is that you have never regarded OTHER PEOPLES' civil rights to be an important issue.

However, judging by the history of the struggle for human rights...the rest of the World does think this topic important...even if a handful of the majority don't think its important enough to discuss.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Apr 22, 2010, at 6:45 PM

News, I could suggest another place you can file it, but, unlike you, I promised to try and be a better person.

-- Posted by Slater on Thu, Apr 22, 2010, at 6:41 PM

"Texas tries to block same-sex divorce in appeals court challenge"

http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0422/texas-b...

I guess we can file this under "civil-rights."

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Apr 22, 2010, at 6:27 PM

I agree with Jo. I think the hunk of taxes they take is horribly unfair, no matter how many millions someone has one.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Thu, Apr 22, 2010, at 5:18 PM

Hey Jo,

All of that money that will be withheld from a lump sum payment of his "prize"... It's called federal TAXES. Would you feel any better if that amount were withheld from the same amount of income that he EARNED either from a job or his business? That's the way it works, for 51 per cent of us in this country. The more you earn or win, in this case, the more they take.

-- Posted by Bcat on Thu, Apr 22, 2010, at 5:15 PM

It's ridiculous how much taxes is taken out of the prize! you can bet if they didn't get there cut, there would be no Game. It's a racket for them. They shouldn't get any more then it takes to run the the Game.Our State & Federal Government, are no better than the Mob! I never play, just for that reason.But to each his own. If Americans would demand more they would shut it down. There logic is take it (you Peons), or leave it.

-- Posted by Jo on Thu, Apr 22, 2010, at 3:01 PM

congrats marshall for having a powerball winner!

congrats chris for buying the right ticket!

looks like everyone's hip to playing the "what i would do with $125 million" (lump sum) game. this should be interesting. my list would include helping family and friends, ministries, schools, and so on. it might even include changing my career. who knows for sure what any of us would do. it is nice to dream, though.

back in the day tom t hall may have had a thing or two to say about it as well.

zeke

-- Posted by zeke on Thu, Apr 22, 2010, at 1:38 PM

Oops, sorry if that sounded political, just trying for a bit of humor.

-- Posted by Philemon on Thu, Apr 22, 2010, at 10:58 AM

I had a premonition that someone from here was going to win and donate some money to get a new school built so that's why I voted no. Just kidding.

-- Posted by Philemon on Thu, Apr 22, 2010, at 10:57 AM

All right. Who has got that winning ticket?!

-- Posted by momaster on Thu, Apr 22, 2010, at 9:30 AM

News,

Please don't take this as a personal attack. It is only meant as constructive criticism. Surely you are intelligent enough to understand that your posts, even if they are about crime, economics, etc, at least meet the spirit of the definition of politics for this blog. By continuing to post things that you have know are considered political in this area rather than the special place set aside for them, all you are doing is giving your critics evidence for the possibly false assumption that your ego is your guide since this area is probably read by more people.

I personally look forward to chatting with you on the pros and cons of Democratic Socialism at some point. Hope to see you over in the other section soon mate.

-- Posted by Philemon on Thu, Apr 22, 2010, at 8:26 AM

Happy Earth Day, everyone! If you get a chance, read my blog and let us know what you're doing to take care of our Mother Earth.

-- Posted by Jessica Wise on Thu, Apr 22, 2010, at 8:21 AM

news now your the one that wants facts and proof and you have none on the tea party saying the N word but you believe it that's a leap of faith. You are wrong about the Tea Party they are made up of average Americans concerned that are government is out of control.

You always attack the position of conservatives or Republicans but yet we hear nothing good about what the liberals or Democrats are doing. Is that your best defense? If they are doing so many good things you should be able to play some offense. You stated that you respected most of the posters but I haven't seen that. Come on over to the political side and quite being rude unless that's your nature.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, Apr 22, 2010, at 6:05 AM

Slater

I once had a poli-sci professor who challenged us to find an area of concern in our lives that was not directly impacted by politics.

We were unable to do so successfully.

Even the term "political" can be highly subjective. If one discusses crime for example...well the laws governing those crimes is a product of politics...and laws and regulations govern almost every aspect of our lives whether directly -- such as the required insurance on your automobile -- or indirectly -- such as the cost of your favorite fruit at the grocery store.

What one person calls politics, another person might call business or economics. Are race relations politics? I guess that all depends on the observer's perspective.

To me race relations is a topic of human interest -- not politics. To me politics would mean supporting a party or a political candidate over another party or candidate and arguing against one over the other.

You won't see me doing that on this forum!

I will be posting comments and links to non-political issues of importance to many of the readers in this forum, such as crime, business, human interest, ect. You may not be interested in them, but then I am not interested in your ramblings about how great the 50's were in Marshall either.

I hope you can live with that and if not...well remember in America we do have the right to free speech but we do not have the right to not be offended.

In the end I think its true that one person's heaven is another person's hell.

However. as I said, you won't see me advocating one party or politician over another in this forum -- and that is a promise!

Have a supercalifragilistic day mate!!

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Apr 22, 2010, at 2:20 AM

Let's eee...the first one was in 1970? I have a vivid memory of the news report with film from the location that evening.

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, Apr 21, 2010, at 11:37 PM

hey pressman! how's it going? :)

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, Apr 21, 2010, at 11:34 PM

From the desk of Eric Crump, Editor, MDN

"Occasionally we'll get a lively discussion about political topics going on Speak Out, and if the conversation goes on long enough, someone will complain that politics has taken over. This forum is intended to give those who love debating political issues a place to talk without annoying those who weary of politics after a while."

-- Posted by Eric Crump on Sun, Apr 18, 2010, at 1:39 PM

ME: I'm posting Editor Crump's introduction to the new Speak Out Politics forum, the link for which can be found to the right side of this page directly under the heading OTHER DISCUSSION FORUMS.

Please know and abide by the rule that this forum is now for general discussions of non-political subjects.

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, Apr 21, 2010, at 11:31 PM

yawn.

-- Posted by pressman on Wed, Apr 21, 2010, at 11:21 PM

rr3yv0

I looked for the blog/opinion piece source citation for that information. I didn't see any.

As to the Tea Bagger Party racism...that has been well established by a mountain of prior evidence.

We the People know who the Tea Bagger Party is. They are the ultra white, ultra right-wing of the Republican Party.

As to a Congressman who says he heard the N-word 15 times during a Tea Bagger Party demonstration...prove he didn't hear it. He says he did. The author of the blog (who wasn't even there when the Congressman heard the N-word being bandied about) says no recording equipment picked it up. Well sometimes such things are not recorded but that does not mean the word wasn't used. Considering the Tea Bagger Party's well established history of racism, I would tend to believe the Congressman.

Let's hope he was mistaken...for the sake of our Nation.

Jo,

Thank you for your concern. However, I am not aware of any earthquake in the Sydney area or anywhere in New South Wales for that matter.

I checked our main newspaper (http://www.smh.com.au/) and there is nothing in there about it that I could see.

But again, thank you so much for you kind concern. Its folks like you that make the World a better place...because you care.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Apr 21, 2010, at 10:49 PM

News Across: i was reading were you guys had an Earth Quake! Hope everything's o k ! Around Sidney i think they said. There wasn't that much News coverage so it couldn't have been that bad.Hang in there my friend.

-- Posted by Jo on Wed, Apr 21, 2010, at 10:00 PM

news you might have a real one there instead of a fake one

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q...

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Apr 21, 2010, at 10:00 PM

gosh news I hadn't noticed

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Apr 21, 2010, at 9:56 PM

Gee I guess this is a particularly bad typo day for me...lol.

In my previous 2 posts there are 2 minor typos...my apologies if anyone is offended by typos.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Apr 21, 2010, at 9:39 PM

"FBI, IRS investigating Florida GOP credit card use:

The FBI, the IRS and the US Attorney's office in Tallahassee have opened a criminal investigation into the use of credit cards by top GOP officials for personal expenses"

http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0421/fbi-irs...

...and yet another one we can file under "crimes."

Its sad that some folks just seem to feel they have to break our laws. I look forward to the day that I can read the news and learn no crimes were committed on that day...though I don't think that will every happen.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Apr 21, 2010, at 9:32 PM

Missy, would this be a supposed pet snake you're mentioning? :)

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, Apr 21, 2010, at 8:36 PM

NanaDot

My only concern in this forum or any other is calm discourse relative to public issues of concern to many of us here.

If you re-read my posts, I think you will find that I try to stay on topic. It is unfortunate that some folks feel the need to attack me personally. I do sometimes respond to those attacks though I probably should just ignore them.

On a personal level, I have tremendous respect for you and many other people who are regular commentors in this forum.

I think sometimes folks tend to read things into my posts that simply aren't there.

I try to remain as objective as I can relative to the factual evidence of any particular issue. Others intentionally attack me and other folks on a personal level because they don't like my or other people's positions on the issues and they can't offer an argument that refutes their opponents argument. In shourt, losing an argument can be a real ego buster and a lot of folks just can't handle it. So they revert to personal attacks. At that point of course, they have lost the argument (calm discourse).

I look forward to continued discussions with you and others in this forum, and it is my hope that those folks who feel the need to launch veiled personal attacks will see the error of their ways.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Apr 21, 2010, at 8:23 PM

ND, did you ever hear the story about the boy and the snake?

M

-- Posted by missy08 on Wed, Apr 21, 2010, at 7:43 PM

Red Dog: I work at the park for about a year back in the middle 50's. And it was not unusual when we would have to go to the Statue at the North entrance and remove a Bra. that was put there after a Football game! And do you know i really can't tell you what the statue represented? seems it looked like the Statue of Liberty,but i'm not sure, even after disrobing her once in awhile! and in the 40's we did slide from the top of the hill too the Devil's Backbone at the bottom. Lot of fun for all!

-- Posted by Jo on Wed, Apr 21, 2010, at 6:37 PM

News,

I just posed it as a question. An Attack? Well, I guess you just answered that question, huh?

Since it doesn't seem to be humility, maybe hyperbole is your strong suit?

This is just one of a million stupid internet blogs. Calm down, down under. Ok, mate?

You'll be ok. I'll be ok. We'll all be ok.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Apr 21, 2010, at 6:19 PM

news it sounded like a simple observation to me you are the one taking it personally thanks wtf

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Apr 21, 2010, at 5:30 PM

Public Service Announcement -

Tonight on PBS is the series POV (10pm on this local station). This episode may be construed as being political in nature, so I debated about posting it here and decided to go ahead. It's also in the other forum. Editor Crump could establish clear guidelines about what constitutes political content:

Program Description

Filmmaker Robert Kenner lifts the veil on our nation's food industry, exposing the highly mechanized underbelly that has been hidden from the American consumer with the consent of our government's regulatory agencies, USDA and FDA. Our nation's food supply is now controlled by a handful of corporations that often put profit ahead of consumer health, the livelihood of the American farmer, the safety of workers and our own environment. We have bigger-breasted chickens, the perfect pork chop, herbicide-resistant soybean seeds, even tomatoes that won't go bad, but we also have new strains of E. coli -- the harmful bacteria that causes illness for an estimated 73,000 Americans annually. We are riddled with widespread obesity, particularly among children, and an epidemic level of diabetes among adults. Featuring interviews with such experts as Eric Schlosser ("Fast Food Nation"), Michael Pollan ("The Omnivore's Dilemma") along with forward thinking social entrepreneurs, this film reveals surprising -- and often shocking truths -- about what we eat, how it's produced, who we have become as a nation and where we are going from here.

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, Apr 21, 2010, at 4:55 PM

Yes,stereo's have evolved. Music hasn't.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Apr 21, 2010, at 1:36 PM

WTF,

The interesting thing is, I could hear it on the other side of the bridges! Clear up to Ladder Avenue!

Dang, wish I would of had a stereo like that in the day!

-- Posted by ceymore on Wed, Apr 21, 2010, at 1:31 PM

Ceymore,

Sounds just like it did when I was in high school back in the late seventies. The difference being that our music was not only good, it was actually music. :)

-- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Apr 21, 2010, at 12:50 PM

Hey any one else enjoying the late night music down at the park?

I believe Marshall is on the cutting edge, it provides the soothing thump, bump, and crash of two male tom cats fighting.

Late night nature - personified.

The kids at the high school are loving it, college kids throughing parties till past 1:00 a.m. and the beer is free. Ask the neighborhood kids, they really don't mind.

Maybe this is the beginning of a new Parks project to take kids off the streets, and give more constructive things to do?

-- Posted by ceymore on Wed, Apr 21, 2010, at 12:24 PM

As a former member of the advertising community I would like to offer up the wisdom of David Ogilvy. "People only read that which interest them."

People who are buying advertising for their products want to cram every advertisement w/as many words as possible to describe their products. Exciting to the advertiser, but unless someone is in the market for your product the ad is usually a call to turn the page or hit the mute button.

Speak out is a free forum of information. If the current subject interests you fine. If it doesn't. write about a subject that does, then..log out and take a walk. You'll be much healthier for a number of reasons.

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Wed, Apr 21, 2010, at 11:45 AM

Heh heh...like the balloons popping during the spelling bee, so go some posts, eh Editor Crump? :)

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, Apr 21, 2010, at 10:46 AM

news across please pardon my ignorance as I am just coming into the recent posts. but, how does one get from a farm in marshall missouri to australia? that seems like quite the leap!

-- Posted by Cheese on Wed, Apr 21, 2010, at 9:13 AM

Midniterebel, While I am not a native to Marshall, I have been here about 25 years and find the whole Jim tail(pun intended)really a neat part of local history. If you have not yet visited the Jim park near the Marshall square you should do so, the story of Jim is told along the walk way. At first I found the story to be a bit hard to believe, but over the years I have talked to enough people who were around here when Jim was alive and there something to it. It is really a neat story and a nice little park. There is also a book written telling the story in more detail and I think it is available at the Marshall Library.

The group that maintains the park (Friends of Jim the Wonder Dog) are holding a Jim the Wonderdog Day on Sat May 8 from 12noon until 2Pm. There are various dog events but also will have the book for sale and several folks will be there that could share teh story with you. I attended alst year and plan to again this year. Hope to see you there.

-- Posted by carguy on Wed, Apr 21, 2010, at 9:05 AM

On this subject I am really curious about one thing in paticular. Who can tell me the story on Jim the wonder dog?

-- Posted by midniterebel on Wed, Apr 21, 2010, at 7:25 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Probably the best place to start would be www.jimthewonderdog.com/

And there are people in Marshall who know the story well and tend the memorial garden. Perhaps some of them will say more...

I have not lived in Marshall but about 5-6yrs.so I'm rather interested in it's history and who better to hear it from than the old timers (with all do respect). So bring on the history lesson people ther are people that do want to hear (read) it.

-- Posted by midniterebel on Wed, Apr 21, 2010, at 7:21 AM

Folks, I want to apologize. This news fella got on my wrong side and I wrote a bunch of stuff here that got deleted. I was only seeking the truth. I think I found it. I can only guess his motivation. I for one am for making him an honorary citizen of Marshall and affording him all the opportunity that position entails. Anyone interested in Marshall as much as he is needs to belong.

-- Posted by red dog on Wed, Apr 21, 2010, at 6:53 AM

leave it to news to start an argument talking about memories!!! wtf you are spot on with your assessment of news he thinks he owns this speak out column. You just have to ignore him and consider the source.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Apr 21, 2010, at 6:08 AM

"Schools warn of more teacher cuts"

"Districts warn of deeper teacher cuts:

'This may be our new economic reality,' says one superintendent"

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36674830/ns/...

I guess we can file this one under "Economics."

Folks, as I have told you before, when you hear an economist telling you that the depression/recesion is in recovery...they are lying to you. I am an economist. My colleagues are economists. They can read the signs just as well as I can and they know what I know. This depression has just barely started and the President's economic recovery package was never anywhere near enough to end the depression nor was it correctly targeted.

Hang on to your seats folks, its going to be a long hard ride...and our economy may possibly never recover. We may indeed be on our way to becoming "New Haiti."

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Apr 21, 2010, at 2:38 AM

"National Guard recruiters forged re-enlistment papers: report"

http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0420/guard-r...

I think we can file this one under "crime."

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Apr 21, 2010, at 12:37 AM

hunterfisher

Thanks mate.

However, I must correct you on one thing...I have never told other people to change the subject.

It is my personal belief that on a free-forum, the subject the poster wishes to bring up is up to that poster...not me.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Apr 21, 2010, at 12:35 AM

Mr. News, as you have told others on here several times, if you don't like it change the subject. You are free to post anything you like mate.

-- Posted by hunterfisher on Wed, Apr 21, 2010, at 12:32 AM

Hey Race Fans

I want to make sure you are aware that Junior Copas' son has a web site about the race track. Check out sportsmansspeedwaymarshall.com. It will absorb you.

-- Posted by red dog on Tue, Apr 20, 2010, at 11:10 PM

walkingblind

I certainly enjoy some of the posts of old memories of Marshall.

It is an interesting subject.

However, I am also interested in other subjects such as crime, business, science, ect.

If you are not interested in reading my postings then please feel free to skip mine and move on to the next one...mate.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Apr 20, 2010, at 11:09 PM

"Amnesty urges Iraq to probe 'secret prison' allegations"

http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0420/amnesty...

Here is some insight to some of that American-style "freedom" we brought to the Iraqis...at the cost of our soldiers' blood.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Apr 20, 2010, at 11:06 PM

I have just opened my internet and looked at the MDN site for some high school sports news but got side tracked by the BLOG were "news across" and the rest of you are having a lively discussion about age - what is young and what is old. Then everyone BUT "news across" is wanting to share memories of Marshall from old and more recent, but "some body" just can't take a hint that this is the subject for now and will probably go on for a while longer. One persons memory sparks something for someone else. It is like a big snow ball going down the hill at Indian Foothills Park and gathering speed. Does anyone remember the park being closed so that the kids could slide on the road? How about ice skating on the pond? How about the 55 gallon steel drum with a fire where you could warm half of you body at at time. I don't like winter but sledding was always FUN!!!

-- Posted by walkingblind on Tue, Apr 20, 2010, at 11:04 PM

"Former Lehman CEO Fuld Faces Congress"

http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/markets...

"Fraud case upstages Goldman earnings"

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/BUSINESS/04/...

"SEC probing all 19 largest US banks"

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cg...

I for one am certainly happy to see the long arm of the law catching up with the crooks who stole our 401Ks and caused our economy to collapse...while they got even richer.

I hope they throw the book at these characters and make examples of them.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Apr 20, 2010, at 10:26 PM

red dog

I am glad I could help you out mate.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Apr 20, 2010, at 10:12 PM

katie76

Thanks...that is what I am talking about.

Surely not everyone who posts in this forum is ready for the old folks home lol.

I really enjoyed the comment about the chickens running around loose lol.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Apr 20, 2010, at 10:11 PM

Thank you news guy, you told me all I wanted to know.

The comment about the chickens running around Stamper's made me think. If it weren't for those chickens, a lot of our Sunday dinners would have been pretty bland. A piece of #9 wire with a hook bent on one end made catching them pretty easy. What would todays kids think about a headless chicken running around the back yard after dad wrung it's neck off.

-- Posted by red dog on Tue, Apr 20, 2010, at 10:10 PM

I grew up in Marshall. The toy department downstairs in Mattingly's, Humphrey's with the high back wooden booths, Cree-Mee drive in with the trampolines next to them, the old skating rink on Vest St., the drive-in, the ice skating rink down by the post office, election nights when the results were posted at the Democrat News bldg where everyone gathered, chickens running around after escaping from Stamper's, snake dancing around the square the night before homecoming, the speedway, Mercy HIgh football games......just a few of many memories. And, I am not that old, can't join AARP yet, so it wasn't 'that' long ago.....

-- Posted by katie76 on Tue, Apr 20, 2010, at 9:58 PM

red dog

Unbelievable mate, you actually want me to answer trivial questions about the Courthouse, the Mackers, and the park?

lol lol lol lol lol lol...

Look mate, I know my way around Marshall just fine and I don't have any need to prove that to you lol.

If I told you my name, you would immediately recognize my last name and you would know very well how far my family and I go back in Marshall...but I really don't want to get into all that mate.

I just want to hear some of the memories of people who weren't around in the 1950s (as I was).

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Apr 20, 2010, at 9:56 PM

yes, I understand. Your memories of Marshall are not very interesting. What do you know of Marshall? What side of the courthouse has the doughboy statue? Do you remember that? Where is the McDonald's restaurant? Do you remember that? What do you remember about the north entrance to the park? There is something there that is distinct and rare that anyone that knows anything about Marshall can tell you about it. I will give you a hint. It is a statue.

-- Posted by red dog on Tue, Apr 20, 2010, at 9:38 PM

red dog

As I pointed out in my first comment on this subject, mate, my own experiences in Marshall are not particularly interesting.

That is why I would like to hear what some of the young and middle-aged folks who do have interesting memories have to say about Marshall.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Apr 20, 2010, at 9:29 PM

What the f.

I am not brow beating anyone. That is, frankly mate, an absurd notion.

I merely pointed out that I would personally like to hear (read) what some of the younger and middle-aged folks had to say about their memories of Marshall. I would certainly welcome your contribution.

However, when I made that point, the question of what defines age groupings was poised to me. I answered that question by citing what the recognized authority on aging has to say about it.

Nothing more...nothing less mate.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Apr 20, 2010, at 9:27 PM

The question was about what you know of Marshall. What can you offer to the discussion that is pertinent to the history of the town? If you want younger persons to offer their visions of the history of this grand old place, make a plea to them here, on this forum, to offer their memories for us all to enjoy.

-- Posted by red dog on Tue, Apr 20, 2010, at 9:24 PM

Really news?

You of all people are going to chastise others for beating a dead horse? You and I might share some of the same political opinions but your incessant brow beating is also "getting kind of old".

I've dealt with people like you all of my life. I would think that someone as intelligent as you keep telling us you are would learn to pick thier battles. Unfortunately,every topic seems to be a battle with you. Are you now going to want to argue about who or what defines the parameters of old age?

Well, guess what mate. I still live here in town and I happen to cherish the memories that people are sharing. A time of neighborhood groceries before the age before Wal-Mart. I remember them and I'm only 47. Is that young enough for you? Since humility doesn't seem to be one of your strong points then perhaps you could enlighten us on the origins of hubris.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Tue, Apr 20, 2010, at 9:21 PM

red dog

I spent a great deal of my youth...beginning at the age of 2 months old...in Marshall. In addition, my family has been in Marshall for at least 5 generations now. Also, prior to moving to Australia, I owned a small farm just outside of Marshall.

My roots in Marshall go very deep mate...no matter what particular soil I am calling home at any given moment.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Apr 20, 2010, at 9:20 PM

red dog

So you are saying your source for that information is nothing more than you own opinion? What is your expertise in aging? What qualifies your opinion?

When I needed a new engine in my automobile, I took my car to a licensed mechanic. When I had a hernia, I took the problem to a licensed physician. I am sure your opinion is important to you, unfortunately, its not a qualified opinion.

I will stick with the experts, thank you very much.

NanaDot

I did not cite my expertise, my opinion, or anything of my own in reference to age groupings.

However, I did cite the recognized authority, the DSM4, Reformed.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Apr 20, 2010, at 9:17 PM

I arrive at my conclusions after years of experience and the ability to think for myself. To often todays young folk depend on articles on the internet to shape their ideoligies. Too many of those articles are written by people with binocular vision. Look at the big picture and apply your knowledge of history to arrive at your own conclusions. If you can only echo other people's thoughts, you are a shadow of what you could be.

As for the history of Marshall. This is a newspaper published in Marshall, Missouri for the edification and enjoyment of the local gentry. Those of us that have lived a great deal of the history of Marshall use this oppportunity to record some of our thoughts and memories. News fella, can you add to this? What do you know about Marshall Missouri?

-- Posted by red dog on Tue, Apr 20, 2010, at 9:10 PM

Bcat: No, we don't. There is only one of him. And I bet, even in my doddering middle adulthood (thank you, Nana Dot), we can take him. Even without a fight.

-- Posted by Miss Marple on Tue, Apr 20, 2010, at 9:08 PM

" 'cause listening to old people reminisce does have its limits". Short but oh so sweet. It looks like we need to get back to listening to self absorbed libs... and learn to like it.

-- Posted by Bcat on Tue, Apr 20, 2010, at 8:51 PM

Oh apples she'll be, News! Its fun to read all about the history of the town that everyone is posting. Its nice to be able to look around town and try to imagine how it once was.

-- Posted by lland on Tue, Apr 20, 2010, at 8:42 PM

red dog

What is your source/authority of that information?

Nanna Dot

While there are a variety of opinions on age groupings, the American Medical Association, the American Psychological Association, and most every psychiatrist and psychologist in the World recognize the authority of the DSM 4, Reformed. That is why you will find a copy in almost every physician's office.

However, you are free to catagorize age any way you wish...it is still a semi-free Country lol.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Apr 20, 2010, at 8:28 PM

An old guy told me once that growing old is enevitable but growing up is optional.

-- Posted by red dog on Tue, Apr 20, 2010, at 8:25 PM

Miss Marple

I don't draw the line or define what old age is.

That authority for that is the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual 4, reformed...often known as the "psychological Bible." There is a copy in every psychologist's office.

The DSM 4, Reformed, says youth is age 0 to 35, middle age is 35 to 65, and old age is 65+

Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fourth Edition (DSM-IV)

http://allpsych.com/disorders/dsm.html

I hope this information assists you.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Apr 20, 2010, at 8:10 PM

Just wondering, news across. Exactly where do you draw the line between "old" and "non-old." I'd hate to jump in on the wrong side of the line.

-- Posted by Miss Marple on Tue, Apr 20, 2010, at 8:02 PM

Oh hey, here is an interesting crime report. It just goes to show that the long arm of the law eventually catches up with criminals.

"Argentina's last dictator sentenced to 25 years"

http://rawstory.com/news/afp/Argentina_s...

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Apr 20, 2010, at 8:00 PM

I have been reading the memory stories on this forum for awhile now.

Its nice to hear old folks reminiscing about the "good old days."

However, its getting kind of old...just like the folks posting the comments.

Are there any young or middle-aged people out there (under the age of 65) with some interesting memories of Marshall.

I know I have my memories of Marshall...not particularly interesting...but surely some NON-old folks in and about Marshall must have some interesting stories to share...'cause listening to old people reminisce does have its limits.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Apr 20, 2010, at 7:57 PM

I remember going to Rippel's Toy Store to pick up the latest 45 records. Mr. Rippel was such a dapper gentleman. If we were lucky, the trip included a stop at Humphrey's for a soda. Of course, we'd head to Mattingly's which was run by Mr. Anson. One of my favorite childhood memories was waiting at the top of the steps at Mattingly's after Thanksgiving for them to open the door to the basement toy room. The line seemed to be a mile long! As for other drug stores, I definitely remember the two older gentlemen at Red Cross as well as Mr. George Waters. On the northwest corner of the square there was Brown's pharmacy, operated by Brownie. Did Mr. Kessler work there as well? When I was a child, my dad always took me to Davis's Pharmacy, I believe, next to The Viking Motel (originally the Ruff).It was sandwiched between VanDyke's and the hotel. It was located on the lot where the Jim the Wonder Dog Park is now. Dad always got his Sunday St. Louis Dispatch there. I remember lots of liquor bottles all lined up. I guess that alcohol was strictly for medicinal purposes!

-- Posted by oneofmany on Tue, Apr 20, 2010, at 7:38 PM

Sid Hyken had a drug store where the Marsh Drug Store was originally. I think maybe the store with all the merchandise haphazardly displayed was the Fuller Cash Store. That store was right by the drug store. Sarley's restaurant was there close too. As to Ms. Bud Smith's car; like you, I am sure she had several.

-- Posted by red dog on Tue, Apr 20, 2010, at 11:32 AM

You guys may be right about Mrs. Smith's car. As you guys share with me chronologically inspired challenges you know how things can become skewed. Could it be that she at different times had different cars? The time I spoke of was about 1953.

Anyway keep the stories coming.

Do any of you remember Star Drug at the middle of the block on the west side of the square in the middle of the block? It was piled full of a lot of cheap items scattered about. It was owned by Sid Hieken. (sp.)

How about Russell Brother's clothing store at the southeast corner. I recall that it was chief competitor to Rose and Buckner, at least for men's clothes.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Apr 20, 2010, at 10:20 AM

There was a gathering late at night at the playground about thirty years ago. The girl was killed in that shelter. I don't remember all the circumstances but I think some guy is doing time for it now. After that, they put up gates on the roadway and started locking the park. I don't see the gates there now. Is this another case of forgetting the past so it will be re-lived?

-- Posted by red dog on Tue, Apr 20, 2010, at 9:39 AM

Red dog. How long ago was it that someone was killed there? What happened?

-- Posted by ALM on Tue, Apr 20, 2010, at 9:34 AM

Croquet. Can you think of a more genteel game than croquet? There were two, maybe more, croquet areas where the tennis courts are now. The only thing still there from that era is the sundial. Do you think you can stand bent over now long enough to get a good hit on the ball? The Travis Guthrie playground area has been modernized. The only thing still there from the old days is the shelter. I think that shelter should have been torn down too. If you recall, a young lady was killed there. I don't like preserving the site of a homicide.

-- Posted by red dog on Tue, Apr 20, 2010, at 9:30 AM

Jo, I think you are right about her car. Someone mentioned donkey ball. I remember that. The old stadium, Town teams playing softball in a league. What comes first to mind about the old stadium is "The Voice". I don't think anyone could make a more derisive razzberry than old Abner. An umpire could never make the right call. And the sound of the stadium with the metal floor was distinctive. Also, the stench of the restroom was bad, very bad.

-- Posted by red dog on Tue, Apr 20, 2010, at 9:19 AM

Here's a link to the 2008-2009 Missouri educator salaries.

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/sp...

-- Posted by BenJ on Tue, Apr 20, 2010, at 9:02 AM

Wasn't Mrs Smiths Car, a late 40's Maroon Dodge, 2 door? She lived on Arrow street, a couple of blocks West of the Square?

-- Posted by Jo on Tue, Apr 20, 2010, at 4:29 AM

"The CIA's 'second tape system'

Claim:

CIA may not have destroyed recordings of all interrogations."

http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/418...

I hope this means we will see some prosecutions for these violations of Federal Acts, Title 18, Chapter 118, War Crimes, the American law which makes violations of the 3rd Geneva Conventions a crime punishable by up to and including the death penalty.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Apr 20, 2010, at 4:26 AM

Thanks a heck of a lot Red Dog for conjuring up the image of MIZZ BUD! Now I'll have to stay up all night to avoid nightmares. ;)

You undoubtably recall that to the eyes, and ears of a Marshall street urchin she was a large stern faced woman, steely eyed, with a gravely baritone voice that shook you to your soles when she loomed over you conducting her inquisition.

She slid slowly through the night in her big Ford sedan ever at the ready to reform recalcitrant ragamuffins who had no business on the streets of her town after ten at night. She had a spot light on the left side of her car which she would flash in your eyes if she saw you. At that point you would freeze like a scared animal.

Many is the night that we dodged through alleys, and peeked around corners before proceeding, just to avoid her baleful gaze, and the following terror if caught.

Occasionally we would dare each other to actually pop into her view. She would see us, but before she could get her car turned around we would fly down an alley, scramble up one of the iron ladders that were at the back of the buildings around the square, then peer over the edge of the roof until she gave up the search, and left. Talk about heart pounding excitement.

My apologies to the Smith family. One of her grand sons was later a very good friend of mine. As I matured I found that the perspective of a thirteen year old is not always accurate. Mrs. Smith performed a valuable service to the Marshall community as juvenile officer.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Apr 20, 2010, at 12:29 AM

Ciao y'all.

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Mon, Apr 19, 2010, at 10:43 PM

"Don't underestimate the value of Doing Nothing, of just going along, listening to all the things you can't hear, and not bothering."

~ Pooh's Little Instruction Book, inspired by A.A. Milne

That was one smart bear!

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Mon, Apr 19, 2010, at 10:42 PM

Slater, yes, I remember the donkey baseball, must have been an annual event because I was going in the early 40s. I did swim at the pool occasionally. There were family reunions in the early 40s at the park. As WWII wore on, gas rationing cut into traveling as did the tires. We drove slowly to conserve gas and avoid blowouts of tires, which had only memories of treads.

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Mon, Apr 19, 2010, at 10:40 PM

Upsedaisy, I, too, remember how that baseball diamond got a good workout every summer.

I recall one game where the players rode donkeys. That one was good for a few laughs.

Did you ever swim in the old pool? It was built as a WPA project during the 1930s and was replaced by the current pool which was built sometime during the early 60s. It sits just to the south of where the old one was.

-- Posted by Slater on Mon, Apr 19, 2010, at 10:23 PM

Welcome back OR, like the weather Speak Out can change in a nanosecond, let alone a week. There was a big kerfluffle on Friday, which some of us, (thankfully) missed. You asked about detasseling corn. I'll be interested to hear if it is still done by hand. My late husband remembered what hot sticky work that was. Speaking of safety, the teenagers were loaded in the back of a stake truck and driven to the various work sites.

Bob Kennedy, love the idea of a book. Farmer's Wife introduced us to the Meyers diary out of Miami in the early 1900s. That has been fun to read.

Slater, I have an old Slater Rustler from the 40s (it's here somewhere!) I remember going to baseball games at Slater Park. Ah summer.

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Mon, Apr 19, 2010, at 9:53 PM

I have a vivid memory of the old push mowers, Red Dog. Our house sat on a lot that was 150 x 200 feet, and that was a lot of mowing, I can tell you! The happiest day for me was when my dad brought home a power mower, a self-propelled reel-type with a Briggs and Stratton engine. We had two Chinese Elm trees in back of the house that dropped twigs which always got stuck in the reels. Yep, it had a metal strap that had to be pushed onto the spark plug to shut it off. I also had the pleasure of trimming 250 feet of hedge.

-- Posted by Slater on Mon, Apr 19, 2010, at 9:51 PM

Farmer's Wife

You are right. I posted a similar statement about a month or so ago, then got so wrapped up in the past and forgot the present, which in this case is our future. These FFA kids are the backbone of our future. I don't have adequate words to express my appreciation for their endeavors.I congratulate all for their accomplishments and pray they will maintain the high standards of the organization throughout their lives.

-- Posted by red dog on Mon, Apr 19, 2010, at 9:02 PM

If you folks would move up to current events in the Saline County area--you would fine that many FFA members in our area did quite well at the state convention this past week--KUDOS for all that hard work and keep it up--the world still needs to be fed and taken care of by some responsible people!!!

-- Posted by farmerwife on Mon, Apr 19, 2010, at 7:44 PM

The Bowling Alley was on the Southside of the square,next to the Goodwin Hotel. We lived in an apartment up stairs.I set Pins there for quite a while, the Bowlers would try to knock us off the back stop! Seems like there were 4 Lanes!

-- Posted by Jo on Mon, Apr 19, 2010, at 6:42 PM

I remember the Army Surplus store on the corner of Arrow and Lafayette. Within a door or two or three east of there was a place I remember buying comic books at. I don't remember much else about it. Somewhere in there, I think, was a place where my father rolled "Duck Pins" which was like bowling on a smaller scale. I couldn't have been very old then. Was that place on the square or somewhere near?

How many of you remember mowing a lawn with a reel-type push mower? That was hard work. It was the late fifties before dad finally bought a power mower. It was a 2 cycle and boy did it smoke. You had to stop the engine by grounding the spark plug to the block. I don't remember anything that could remotely be considered a safety feature on those old mowers. A neighbor boy cut off part of his foot. Another lost some fingers. Did anyone sue the manufacturer or store where it was purchased? NO.

How many remember the curfew siren on top of the old city hall/fire station/police station/ municipal court bldg.? Did you ever sneak home through the alleys after curfew because you were afraid of Ms. Bud Smith?

-- Posted by red dog on Mon, Apr 19, 2010, at 5:47 PM

rr3yv0

No neither article is directly political. One is a business article the other is an article about crime.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Apr 19, 2010, at 5:26 PM

Yes but you said neither story was political now they are?????????

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Mon, Apr 19, 2010, at 5:20 PM

rr3yv0

McVeigh and his co-conspirators attacked us. Their reasons for the crime were political...they were and are angry conservatives attempting to circumvent our democracy with violent acts of terrorism.

However, the story I posted a link to is a factual reporting of the remembrance of those victims that died at the hands of these criminals and is about the crime committed by these conservatives. In addition, it contains speculation by experts on whether or not we are at risk of further attacks by conservative, home grown terrorists.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Apr 19, 2010, at 5:10 PM

Cosa Nostra

Yeah I tend to have a great day every day mate.

After all...I live in Australia...where its always sunny and nice...year round lol.

Its hard to have a bad day here, but on occasion, a bad day manages to slip in once in awhile.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Apr 19, 2010, at 5:05 PM

news the links in your post may not be political but your post are. Why would you mention anti-american and conservative? political opinion?

Why don't you post some links that show what liberals or marxists have accomplished? I haven't seen anything like that from you.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Mon, Apr 19, 2010, at 5:05 PM

Cosa Nostra

Yeah thanks for the heads up.

As for a stage??? I have no idea what you are referring to.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Apr 19, 2010, at 4:48 PM

Cosa Nostra

I might also point out that neither of the links or stories I have posted links to are about politics.

In fact the Goldman-Sachs article is a business story of factual information, and the day of remembrance of the terrible tragedy at the hands of Tim McVeigh is an article about a crime committed by McVeigh and other unknown co-conspirators.

Neither is political.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Apr 19, 2010, at 4:41 PM

Cosa Nostra

Nope...I haven't seen it.

I will check it out, but I am pretty happy in this forum for now.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Apr 19, 2010, at 4:37 PM

"Oklahoma City marks 15 years since bombing:

168 people were killed in the attack on the federal building.

In a documentary, "The McVeigh Tapes: Confessions of an American Terrorist," to be aired Monday on msnbc, recordings of interviews with the convicted bomber indicate he had no remorse for those whose lives he had destroyed."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36642084/ns/...

Are anti-American, conservative terrorists poised to attack us again?

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Apr 19, 2010, at 4:36 PM

"Surprise: Goldman Sachs to pay out $5 billion more in bonuses"

http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0419/goldman...

Just when we thought capitalism/conservatism couldn't get any worse...

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Apr 19, 2010, at 3:33 PM

To my recollection, PN Hirsch was where Vikings is now. Does anyone remember CW Flowers where you could take clothes home "on approval" without paying until you decided if you like them or not? Boy- have times changed!

-- Posted by luvthoseowls on Mon, Apr 19, 2010, at 2:11 PM

I THOUGHT PN HIRSCH WAS WHERE DOLLAR GENERAL IS?

-- Posted by ASBS on Mon, Apr 19, 2010, at 12:57 PM

Taafes store was the last building (I think) on the actual southwest corner of the square, not off the square where the old Marshall Hotel was located, at the corner of Lafayette, and Arrow.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Apr 19, 2010, at 12:55 AM

Wow you leave for a week, and its all new stuff.

The "old" Marylou had a name change to the North Street theatre before it finally closed. Nickel pop corn. The ice cream shop beneath the teen club was also known as "The Melody Ice Cream Shop".

Does anyone remember Taafe's army surplus store on the southwest corner of the square? They had a big pile of surplus (used) combat boots at the rear of the store. You sorted through, and matched up two boots. You could walk out with a pair for fifty cents. As a poor kid I wore em all the time, especially when detasseling corn.

By the way do they still detassle corn up there? Back when it was usually done by kids, but one summer there were crews of temporary Mexican workers that did some of it. That would have been around 1954. It was my first exposure to a group of people from another country. I found them interesting, and cordial. They also taught me a little Spanish.

One other thought that occurred to me as I read these interesting posts is that I doubt that our fond reminisces were all shared by people of color.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Apr 19, 2010, at 12:47 AM

Was it Hackler's that had the fluoroscope machine where you could see how the shoe fit your foot?

-- Posted by Slater on Sun, Apr 18, 2010, at 11:15 PM

Joan's is still operating at the same location. Mr. Canfield has passed, but Mrs. Canfield is alive and well--still patronizes the cafe with her son Richard. The Messenger is still being published and offices across the street from Jim the Wonder Dog Park. GH

-- Posted by Gray hair on Sun, Apr 18, 2010, at 8:29 PM

Thanks to everyone with the memories of the square. I remember the P.N.Hirsch store along with Hacklers shoe store (Best shoe store I have ever been in).

I remember both smoke rooms that have been talked about I was never in the Rummy Room but walked many times through the smoke room at the court house. I also remember the pharmacey and the record store on the north side of the square along with Mattingly's, purchased many a model there.

And as a paperboy, going to Earls on Saturday morning to shoot pool waiting for the press run to start. Is the old Joans (cafe) still open? The Canfields ran it and I believe both have passed away. It was to the west of the square across the street from the old JC Penney store. Had a liquor/hunting and fishing store next door. And does the Marshall Messenger still publish?

-- Posted by ghostwriter1978 on Sun, Apr 18, 2010, at 7:18 PM

Thanks to Bobby, Leon, and all the rest who have fond memories of the square. I lived close to the square as a child and fondly remember walking there with my sister. It was a different time, when you could allow young children to walk in broad daylight to places of business and not fear for their safety. One of my fondest memories was walking to the cigar shop on the southwest corner of the square to pick out my cigar box for school. I remember walking past the jail, Municipal Utilites, Kroger Store (later Clay Mead's furniture, and of course Farmers' Savings Bank. That whole block past the jail is gone now. We crossed the street that had a big cement block stop sign. I remember Red Cross holding a fascination for me (loved seeing Nancy at the fountain.) I think the Oasis was next door, then the barber shop and Mr. Swisher's Title company. Does anyone remember what was located at Viking Athletic previous to their opening? I think it was P.N. Hirsh next. Anyway, after a long search, I located the BEST cigar box. I remember opening the box and catching that whiff of tobacco. I neatly lined up my crayons and other utensils for school in anticipation of another year at Eastwood School. To this day, I keep one of those boxes as a reminder of a kinder, simpler time.

-- Posted by oneofmany on Sun, Apr 18, 2010, at 2:53 PM

I do remember the Indian Bath Tub,but the area im think of was farther to the East. im Sure there were little areas of this, (what i would call a drainage ditch),that each of us remember as our spot. We would follow this thing all the way to Salt Fork. Also Salt Fork Was a place were we would fish and catch Frogs. there was a lot of big catfish in that creek! My Dad had a little Fishing shack just north of the Viaduct, (they just replaced). They would have Fish Fries there ,and drink beer on week ends! My dads Cousin lived in that Shack for Years. He was killed on that Viaduct, in a pickup that had given him a ride out Eastwood, going home. They hit the west end of it head on. He was the only one Killed out of the three riding in the truck. John Donahue was his name! The Rummy joint on North Street & English,was were i would go with my Dad ,once in awhile. They would send me up to Peck Isaac Bar across, and a little up the street, to carry there little buckets of Beer to them. They would give me a dollar , if they were winning. To me that was a lot of Money back then! later everyone!

-- Posted by Jo on Sun, Apr 18, 2010, at 8:51 AM

Red Dog, although I didn't grow up in Marshall, I want to thank you for sharing your memories and prompting others to contribute their own from a period we could call the best years of our lives (to borrow a movie title).

I believe there was no better time or place to come of age than in Saline County during the 1950s. In a recent post Upsedaisy fittingly characterized that way of life when she mentioned the social column in the Slater newspaper (contributed by Mrs. Sheldon Lessley, I believe, Upsedaisy).

Although the geography was a bit different for some of us, all of us from that time period share a common belief that we couldn't have had a better time and place to grow up.

Thank all of you for this social history. :)

-- Posted by Slater on Sun, Apr 18, 2010, at 12:53 AM

There use to be a room in the basement of the Court House close to the outside entrance of the women's bathroom where I remember men playing cards. You could see them through the window that they kept open in the summertime. There must have been several of these places in town at one time or another. How about the bakery on East Arrow down a bit from Dr. Macey's clinic. I think it was Baughmans??? Then there was the Velvet Freeze over on East North Street along with a dress shop, a cleaners, and insurance office and the Ford Dealership.

There were so, so many great stores up on the square back in the day. Each had their own niche in our lives. Mr. Phillips, I think you are right. This should all be written down with pictures so that no one forgets how good we had it as "kids". The world will probably never see a time like that again. We were lucky to have born into all that!!!

-- Posted by walkingblind on Sat, Apr 17, 2010, at 11:18 PM

Mr. Kennedy,

I think the smoke shop you are referring to with all the card playing gamblers might have been what we knew as the "Rummie Joint". Perhaps? My grandpa, Alvin , carried the keys to that place for years. Easily the dankest place I had ever been. I was 5 or 6 at the time. Grandpa used to take one or two of us with him on occassion. I remember the bootleg cigarettes they sold out of there too. This is assuming, of course, that you are referring to the building where Boling's Law Office is now--the basement beneath it? Grandpa would wake us at around 3:30 to head to the donut shop that was just up the block at the northwest corner of the square. We would drink coffee and have a chocolate donut or a twist before heading to the Rummie Joint at around 4:30. He was like a good clock--never missed a tick when it came to that place and playing cards. In retrospect, it probably wasn't the best atmosphere for a 5 or 6 year old, but it sure was funny to us to watch all those "old timers" argue over a bunch of cards and quarters!

-- Posted by Leon Phillips on Sat, Apr 17, 2010, at 10:23 PM

I don't usually read the comments because I'm not interested in most of the content. But I really appreciate the reminiscences of Marshall. I can remember a lot of the stuff posted about the old businesses and places where kids used to hang out in the 50s and 60s. Especially Valley Drive-In (built, at least in part, by my uncle in the late 40s), Humphrey's (yes, dark and mysterious in its way...anybody recall when it "blew up", damaged by some kind of explosion in the basement about 1960?), Tony's (still miss the Vasilopoulos family), Sarley's, Dog N Suds (a favorite), A & W (another favorite...Hi, Dale!), and...Bruners, with the first BBQ I ever tasted? And, last but hardly least...TJ's Pizza...tiny shack just south of Dog N Suds, in the late 60's. (I am fixated on food, I admit.) And then there were those bars on West North, a street we were forbidden to tread, except as older teens when we would go to Earl's for a game of pool or snooker. Only one bar of that era remains, Bud's, hopefully forever...only it is on South Lafayette, almost exactly the same as it was 50 years ago. (Please patronize it, for the sake of historic preservation. Or maybe just for a little buzz. No tap, which I think is part of its charm.) I remember the smoke shop with all the card playing gamblers; was that in the Winkelmeyer Furniture store building or next door, maybe? Do some of you remember the segregation of the 1950's on the square? Whites only bathrooms in the courthouse, African Americans restricted to the balcony in the Mary Lou (great black light murals) and Auditorium? I also remember houses that were no more than shacks, in Vers Addition, in the "colored" part of town, and along the railroad tracks north of F.M. Stampers just south of Boyd. These are not pleasant memories, but like it or not, they are part of our heritage. Glad these parts of our culture are gone, but I'll never forget them, nor should any of us. I didn't catch the original post, but was sandstone ledge what some of us used to call "Indian Bathtub", east of Lincoln but before the road next to the old VFW? The water (from the sewer pumpout, mainly, that used to be situated on Lincoln at the creek) carved a round whirlpool in the rock. Someone should to write a book about all this old stuff before we are all dead. OK, stop me; this is obviously a rant. But I've enjoyed hearing from you all and retrieving my own, fading, memories. Thank you all for sharing.

-- Posted by Bob Kennedy on Sat, Apr 17, 2010, at 9:38 PM

Cheetah, you are one cool cat. No one thinks for a moment that deviant was you. In the words of Forest Gump. It Happens.

-- Posted by red dog on Sat, Apr 17, 2010, at 9:08 PM

Cheetah - I believe you and I don't think you should feel the need to apologize for what someone else did! It's not your fault!

-- Posted by koeller77 on Sat, Apr 17, 2010, at 8:56 PM

Red Dog, Walking Blind: I was looking at Google Map, and i am 95 % sure that the Sandstone Ledge i had mentioned was in that area. Between the Indian Foothills Park,back west a mile or so.At the time, a nice tranquil place, very secluded! It was an adventure for us Kids when we went there , we were 7 or 8 ,i guess. We would stop there when we went to the Marshal swimming Pool. We were at the Pool most of the Summer. Were could a Kids of that age be walking or riding your Bike around all over town, and your Mom or Pop not have to worry? Marshall was a great town to grow up in,at that time! I'm not saying there wasn't hardships that i wouldn't want to go back too,but mostly great Memories! My grandpa worked at the Ice Plant for Years, until a chunk of Ice fell over on his Leg and tore a piece out, that never healed, and he Died when he had it removed a couple of years later, about 1942. We lived on the corner of Russell & Porter,just around the corner, across the street from the C&A Depot and Bill Sparks Creamery.It's a parking lot now, i think?We would walk to Northwest School, I hated to see them tear it down. It's nice to go back!

-- Posted by Jo on Sat, Apr 17, 2010, at 12:29 PM

I HAVE SO ENJOYED THE TRIPS DOWN MEMORY LANE, TO REMEMBER WHAT MARSHALL WAS LIKE BEFORE IT BECOME SO COMMERCIALIZED.

LIFE WAS SO LAID BACK,THE OLD TOILETS GETTING PULLED OVER AT HALLOWEEN (AND HOPEFULLY NO BODY WAS IN IT ) KIDS PLAYING BAREFOOT MOST OF THE SUMMER,THE OLD DIRT ROADS THAT WAS STILL AROUND, THE HILL ON COLLEGE ST AND THE LITTLE WHITE HOUSES SETTING UP ON THE HILL, MIAMI ST STOPPING AT VEST ST, SO MANY MEMORIES OF THE STORES THAT HAS BEEN MENTIONED, THE STRIP, THE OLD ICE STORAGE AND FUEL CO. ON THE CORNED OF ENGLISH AND BOYD WHERE MY DAD WORKED FOR 22 YEARS, KIDS WALKING TO SCHOOL EVERYDAY

( DIDN'T MATTER HOW FAR AWAY YOU LIVED YOU STILL WALKED ) I HOPE PEOPLE WILL SHARE THIER MEMORIES, THATS ONE THING THAT CANNOT BE TAKEN AWAY

-- Posted by buttons on Sat, Apr 17, 2010, at 11:02 AM

THANK YOU ERIC, SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT HAS BEEN POSTED WAS UNCALLED FOR. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK

-- Posted by buttons on Sat, Apr 17, 2010, at 10:22 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Thank you. And Kathy Fairchild gets credit for responding to the situation while I was unavailable yesterday afternoon.

I believe you. Your moniker had obviously been hijacked.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Sat, Apr 17, 2010, at 7:09 AM

Thank you Eric for taking this trash out to the curb. I could have said "kicked" but I know you are a gentleman. It is people like that that try to shock or make it funny and then our kids try it to be cool and all it does is make us shake our heads and wonder how they were raised. There are to many outside influences (like this mess) on our kids today. They are plugged into every type of media you can think of. If we continue to just let it slide and not take this type of person to task then we have no one to blame but ourselves for what our children are exposed to on a daily bases from a very early age all the way up to young adults. I believe in freedom of speech but you put in trash you only get out trash and I expect more from our community and the world at large.

-- Posted by walkingblind on Fri, Apr 16, 2010, at 10:04 PM

I am sure you don't enjoy banning a commenter Eric.

I don't think anyone wants to be in a position like that.

However, human nature being what it is, I am sure every editor has to exercise editorial control of this type at some point of another.

You have my condolences

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Apr 16, 2010, at 8:56 PM

FYI

Hickorydickorydock has been banned (persistently posting objectionable comments).

RM has been banned (objectionable user name and objectionable comments).

SC has been banned (numerous extremely objectionable comments and impersonating another user).

All three accounts used a computer with the same IP number.

-- Posted by Eric Crump on Fri, Apr 16, 2010, at 7:55 PM

Another test

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Fri, Apr 16, 2010, at 7:20 PM

Yes, Nana?

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Fri, Apr 16, 2010, at 7:02 PM

Kathy Fairchild posted:

"Sec. 18-116. Indecent exposure.

"A person commits the crime of indecent exposure if he knowingly exposes his genitals under circumstances in which he knows that his conduct is likely to cause affront or alarm."

I wonder if breasts can technically be considered genitalia in that they have no actual function for procreation?

They feed babies but they don't facilitate making babies. If so, can they even be considered genitalia? Hmmmm..............

BTW, I'm loving this topic!

-- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, Apr 16, 2010, at 6:34 PM

Log off and come back in, please.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Fri, Apr 16, 2010, at 6:28 PM

How many public places in this town can you use a computer and not be traceable. At least not traceable to a specific person? Think about it.

-- Posted by red dog on Fri, Apr 16, 2010, at 6:26 PM

Everyone who is currently logged on - please log off and come back. We're doing some maintenance chores.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Fri, Apr 16, 2010, at 6:26 PM

Eric, didn't you recently ban someone from posting here? I hope you can trace the isp number. This guy is mad about something. Surely whomever set up this blog site has built accountability into it.

-- Posted by red dog on Fri, Apr 16, 2010, at 6:19 PM

Eric, you got a problem.

-- Posted by red dog on Fri, Apr 16, 2010, at 6:15 PM

Holy Crap! I wish they could find out who that really is. Keep posting all so we can get that off the front page for goodness sake!

-- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, Apr 16, 2010, at 6:14 PM

Cosa Nostra,

You're right. Eric, you need to get this Cheetah imposter off of here and you especially need to remove what they put in Maxwells blog comments. I wonder if that person you banned has come back. I like a good snappy arguement but this guy is just ugly.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, Apr 16, 2010, at 6:12 PM

I am not a prude but I find the comments by which ever smokin cheeetah is doing it needs to STOP. It is not interesting NOR funny

-- Posted by walkingblind on Fri, Apr 16, 2010, at 6:09 PM

Cheetah! It's a conspiracy. Someone is out to get you. Let's start a pool. Eric must not be watching. I say it's gone by 6:15

-- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, Apr 16, 2010, at 6:06 PM

From. Kathy,

"Sec. 18-116. Indecent exposure.

"A person commits the crime of indecent exposure if he knowingly exposes his genitals under circumstances in which he knows that his conduct is likely to cause affront or alarm."

Can breasts be considered genitalia in that they have no actual function for procreation?

They feed babies but they don't facilitate making babies. If that is so how can they be considered genitals?

BTW, I'm loving this topic!

-- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, Apr 16, 2010, at 6:04 PM

Wow! Cheetah dropped the "F" bomb @ 5:38 pm and it's 5:57pm. now. Hmmm.....how much longer will it stay up?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, Apr 16, 2010, at 5:58 PM

Boogidee Boogidee (or however you spell it!)

-- Posted by ALM on Fri, Apr 16, 2010, at 4:37 PM

OK OK OK If you are a woman, I don't suggest you garden topless. In your case it would be indecent exposure. If I did it now, I would be charged with grotesque exposure for being an eyesore.

-- Posted by red dog on Fri, Apr 16, 2010, at 4:25 PM

Never let it be said that the MDN staff is not on top of breaking news. You can do all the gardening you want in Marshall, but it looks like you can't do it nekkid, according to city ordinance as follows:

"Sec. 18-116. Indecent exposure.

A person commits the crime of indecent exposure if he knowingly exposes his genitals under circumstances in which he knows that his conduct is likely to cause affront or alarm.

(Code 1967, §§ 20-55, 20-59)

State law references: Similar provisions, RSMo 566.130."

I don't know about the rest of you, but if I found myself outside in the garden without my clothes, I'd definitely be alarmed. TGIF!!

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Fri, Apr 16, 2010, at 3:03 PM

TGIF! (Topless Gardening Is Fun!)

-- Posted by ALM on Fri, Apr 16, 2010, at 2:51 PM

Gardening topless?? i have been known to do that. LOL (Amy, LOL is really OK)

-- Posted by red dog on Fri, Apr 16, 2010, at 2:43 PM

"Topless Colo. gardner wins fight with landlord" This article gave me a chuckle! Is there a law against gardening topless in Marshall? HAHAHA

-- Posted by ALM on Fri, Apr 16, 2010, at 1:42 PM

I love to read these posts and hear about the "old days." I, myself, don't remember any of this because I'm much youger and none of this was @. I wish it was though, I think you all had it made then! It's nice to imagine where everything was back then and see how things have changed and grown. Now there are no hang outs for kids. I know that Bueker students usually go to the movies or skating, but high school age students don't have any options. They can cruise(which is expensive), or just hang out at friends houses. Maybe that is one reason that kids seem to get in more trouble now-a-days. I just think that it's hard for them to find something to do now, and I feel for my children when they get older because it will probably only get worse. I've heard many stories from my parents about how they use to hang out on the square all night with their friends and that the police at that time would even come up to check on them and visit. They would just look out for their safety and see that you got home okay or to chat with you about how your family was. To have grown up in those days would have been great! Now, the police will just run you off and give you a hard time. It seems like it's just a power trip and they have to be "in charge" and not just there to protect and serve. What happened to the "good old days?"

-- Posted by karma is real on Fri, Apr 16, 2010, at 1:30 PM

I remember Davis Shoe Store next to Wood & Huston Bank it is part of the bank now. That was the only place I could get shoes that would fit. I also grew up in the country and we came to town once a week do all of our shopping get your hair cut if you needed it and ate lunch at 65 drive-in or Valley drive-in. When I got my license the strip was to cruise the square and down Odell to A&W. I'm pretty sure there is an ordinance that prohibits hanging out on the square past a certain time. Used to meet all your friends on the square.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Fri, Apr 16, 2010, at 12:00 PM

On the subject of the niehborhood grocery stores the Shady Grove at the corner of Redman & Washigton was owned by by my Great uncle & aunt Dink Bowler and his sister Georgia Bowler. I remember going there a bunch as I was growing up. The store to the best of my memory closed in the late 60's to early 70's and was torn down a few years later. I had forgotten about it until I saw the name in a previous post. This brings back a lot of memories. The thing I remember most about the store was you could get a bologna sandwich in which the meat was about 1/2" thick for a dime and it was the bologna that was cut off of the large rolls. I remember when there were times that someone would come in for one of the bologna sandwiches and charge it until payday because they didn't have the money or they would charge enough food for a meal until payday. There were many times when uncle & aunt would give someone in the neighborhood food because they couldn't afford it at the time and to pay when and if they could. I remember one time a man came in and told Dink that he wanted one of the sandwiches but he only wanted a nickels worth. Uncle Dink also had a huge pop cooler that circulated chilled water and in the late 50's and early 60's always had about 30 different kinds of pop in it. I used to clean up at the store sometimes and my pay was a bottle of pop and a candy bar. Anyway those days are gone forever but now I have some good memories to look back on.

-- Posted by ups44ml2 on Fri, Apr 16, 2010, at 11:09 AM

Thanks Eric and Slater,

I remember the paper. In the 40s it was filled w/news of who had visited whom for the day. A trip from Gilliam to Higginsville was newsworthy.

Fun to share memories. Some of us can recall events of 50 years ago better than what happened yesterday. A neighbor, facing knee surgery asked me for the name of the surgeon who replaced mine just four years ago. I drew a complete blank--in fact, it just popped into my memory a short while ago. Better give her a call while it's here.

ERic You are right about gas prices and "cruisin' round the square. The speculators are making sure there is an ever upward tick.

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Fri, Apr 16, 2010, at 9:49 AM

I think some teens hang out at Walmart these days. At least, that's where my teens have gone with friends. I'm not sure whether there's a rule against cruising, but there may be economic considerations. Gas is expensive!

-- Posted by Eric Crump on Fri, Apr 16, 2010, at 8:35 AM

Im not originally from Marshall, but when I was a teenager we used to all cruise our cars around the square and park and hang out. They still do that in the town that I came from and many other smaller towns and I wonder why kids dont do that here. Is there an ordinance against it or something?

-- Posted by ALM on Fri, Apr 16, 2010, at 8:27 AM

I love reading all the blogs about "way back then" memories. As a kid growing up in the country, making the weekly shopping trip to Marshall was the highlight of the week. We came to town early and stayed late. The square was the hub of the county and there was always a big crowd in town. Mom and Grandma would take us kids to the Horseshoe Grill for lunch. That was probably the highlight of the day. Getting a Dixie Cup was probably the other treat that we looked forward to.

As a country kid I always envied the town kids for the hangouts they had. There was the teenage club above the shoe store on the NE corner of the square. I can't recall the name of the store though. Then there was Humphrey's, THE COOLEST place for a teenager to hang out in. The colorful front, Russell Stovers candy display, the soda fountain and then the back area with the big juke box, the floor grate and DARKNESS! WOW!!! They also made the best tuna salad sandwich I ever had.

Also, there use to be dances on top of the pool house at the park. I never got to go to one of those or to the teenage club, but they looked like a lot of FUN. To bad we don't have places like this that the kids today can remember when they are older.

Marshall - thanks for the memories

-- Posted by walkingblind on Fri, Apr 16, 2010, at 7:38 AM

Ms. Marple. You introduced me to the CAVE people term. I kinda like it. This syndrome I described in an earlier post could be called the "CAVE Syndrome"

WELCOME TO MARSHALL, THE HOME OF CAVES. NO ENTRY CHARGE.

The trouble is, Marshall ain't got no caves (literally, not figuratively). SO. A little bait and switch is called for. Anyone got any ideas to carry the ball a little farther? I know. It is a bad idea. So, what' new?

-- Posted by red dog on Fri, Apr 16, 2010, at 7:03 AM

Jo

Maybe that ledge is down in another holler/drainage ditch. Think about the old sewer plant. For those young ones, the remnants are down the hill a little northwest of the old CreeMee Drive In. Jo, do you remember any railroad tracks close by? MoPac would have had the spur line into Marshall by then wouldn't they? I don't know when the spur line was put in, but it would have been early in the century. The old sewer plant is down in the holler (that's what the old folks in my family said, not hollow) between Eastwood and the tracks. The road to it should still be there. It might even still be City property. The land is pretty useless there, unless you want to put up a dam and build a pond. That holler drains all of uptown into Salt Fork.

-- Posted by red dog on Fri, Apr 16, 2010, at 6:30 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLkCWT2ne...

-- Posted by Slater on Fri, Apr 16, 2010, at 1:03 AM

The old Mary lou Theater was located between Temple Stevens Market and Gus Lakes Bar and Grill,on North Street. Walker had a Shoe Store in that block too! Browns Tavern was on the Corner of Salt Pond and North Street. If you went further West the old Spot Restaurant were everyone went for Hamburgers after a nite OF partying. Johnie Chandler worked there,as long as i could remember! I remember the Roller Rink by the Post office. There was an eating joint at the same location! Some time in the early 40's Red Welch ran it at that time. The Sand Stone Ledge had to be close to the Park, maybe Northwest of the park,and Northeast of Sand Hollow, in that area, been a long time! Most of the Marshall Residents had Signed it, Dating way back. I would like to know just how many Names were on it? Like i said before , that i Played with Jim The Wonder Dog at the ruff hotel just before he died , i think in about 39, not sure! Great Memories!!

-- Posted by Jo on Thu, Apr 15, 2010, at 11:20 PM

The Slater News Rustler, a weekly paper, is now the Slater Main Street News, still a weekly and published by Jean Black.

A few years ago she did a history of the paper, which dates back many decades, and it's on its third name, if my memory serves me. I believe it began as the Slater Rustler (but don't quote me on that).

-- Posted by Slater on Thu, Apr 15, 2010, at 11:17 PM

Thanks Red Dog for remembering the name Slater News Rustler. Is it still being published? A weekly? Always a weekly?

Some days the memory is operating "weakly".

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Thu, Apr 15, 2010, at 9:41 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
I believe the News Rustler lives on as Slater Mainstreet News. Same paper. New(ish) name.

"It was we, the people; not we, the white male citizens; nor yet we, the male citizens; but we, the whole people, who formed the Union."

Susan B. Anthony

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Apr 15, 2010, at 9:26 PM

NanaDot

Dr. King was certainly a wise man.

His words ring as true today as they did then.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Apr 15, 2010, at 9:22 PM

"We must learn to live together as brothers or perish together as fools."

Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

-- Speech in St. Louis, Missouri, March 22, 1964

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Apr 15, 2010, at 9:12 PM

I don't usually comment on letters as I prefer to read them and consider the differing opinions, but Hickory your last letter is very racist and I am shocked that it was printed. I can only presume that you were referring to the Raw Story article posted by news about the KKK suing Missouri. If you support the KKK just come out and state that rather than indulge in racial stereotyping and vilification that offends many people.

-- Posted by Divergent Thinker on Thu, Apr 15, 2010, at 7:38 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Comments are not screened in advance. It was printed because it was posted. It has also been deleted.

HickoryDickoryDock

Do you think your stereotyping of non-whites in your comment is appropriate in this forum?

Do you think that non-whites in Marshall appreciate your fictitious stereotypical caricature of a non-white commenting on white folks?

Is that how you think non-whites typically speak?

Are you ok with your comment? Do you stand by your comment?

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Apr 15, 2010, at 7:18 PM

HickoryDickoryDock

If you have a problem with the articles of factual news events I have posted links to, I suggest you write the author(s) and/or the editor of the particular news site the article is on and discuss it with them.

I didn't create the news stories or the facts contained there-in nor did I write the articles.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Apr 15, 2010, at 7:08 PM

reddog...I remember the store on Jackson St. wow brings back those childhood memories Little Brown Store we called it....I remember when I worked at little Duffers as well under Clyde

-- Posted by momandgramma on Thu, Apr 15, 2010, at 5:47 PM

Kinda funny Eric sometimes you have to consider the source.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, Apr 15, 2010, at 5:23 PM

The Hermanator Experience

http://www.hermancain.com/hitm.asp

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, Apr 15, 2010, at 5:19 PM

A new game, eh? Dueling headlines!

-- Posted by Eric Crump on Thu, Apr 15, 2010, at 5:15 PM

What the anti-tea party is up to.

http://www.infowars.com/crash-the-tea-pa...

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, Apr 15, 2010, at 5:14 PM

"Health insurers cooking books to game reforms"

http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0415/health-...

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Apr 15, 2010, at 5:09 PM

Liberals are running scared of the tea party they are trying to discredit them.

http://bigjournalism.com/wthuston/2010/0...

If they weren't worried you wouldn't hear anything about them.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, Apr 15, 2010, at 5:04 PM

"Ku Klux Klan sues Missouri ... for discrimination"

http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0415/kkk-sue...

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Apr 15, 2010, at 4:26 PM

"Report: Tea Parties created as GOP political ploy"

http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0415/report-...

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Apr 15, 2010, at 4:25 PM

"Afghans in US jail 'forced to dance to use bathroom'"

http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0415/afghans...

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Apr 15, 2010, at 4:22 PM

When I was a kid myself and my cousins used to walk thru the creek from lincoln st. to park st. The indian bath tub isnt to far off of lincoln st heading east. One time at the indian bath tub we found a hornets nest, It was winter time, when pulled it down and took it back to my grandma gibson's house, she warned us not to bring it inside because the hornets would wake up, well we got a gallon milk jar, shook them out into it and took it inside and let them warm up, Guess what my grandma was right, well long story short, we put the jar back in the snow, and when the hornets stopped moving we flushed them. oh well what a good memory.

-- Posted by mofireman on Thu, Apr 15, 2010, at 3:00 PM

Sandstone Ledge. Slater said Jo is trying to remember where a sandstone ledge with initials carved in it is located. Would that be near the "Devils Bathtub" down in Sand Holler close to the park? Maybe in the park itself. It has been a number of years since I have been back in there and I don't remember much about it. The "Devil's Bathtub" might actually be in that holler/ravine/whatever between Park and Lincoln.

-- Posted by red dog on Thu, Apr 15, 2010, at 1:07 PM

Eric,

You may have already answered this and I missed it...but, will you be posting any kind of summary of the postings on the "School Board Lack of Trust" forum?

-- Posted by ALM on Thu, Apr 15, 2010, at 10:54 AM

red dog

I have my dad's old J C Higgins 12 guage shotgun. I believe mom bought it for him in 1947 for their first wedding anniversary. Good old gun I still shoot it some.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, Apr 15, 2010, at 10:29 AM

Tax day. I wrote the check and mailed it off. I used to get angry about taxes. Now, I just sigh in resignation. Do you remember "Pop" Ferguson. I heard him say one time when taxation exceeds 33%, you will be living in a socialistic state. He went on to say this includes all the hidden taxes you aren't really aware of. He said communism would soon follow. What do you think? Oops. Maybe I shouldn't have asked that, especially today.

-- Posted by red dog on Thu, Apr 15, 2010, at 9:29 AM

rr3...

Kids throwing newspapers. You are right. I hadn't really noticed. They aren't out there any more on their bikes throwing papers. I suspect you are correct about the government restricting stuff like that. I remember buying my MDN newspaper route. I think it was called the Daily Democrat News then. This was in the old building before it burned. After it burned, Mr. Hains never missed a day publishing. The Slater News Rustler printed the next one or two, maybe more, issues. Mr. Hains moved a printing press into the old Earl Kays Motor Co. there on Odell due east of the square. If you remember, Mr. Kays sold the Chrysler line. We paper boys kind of liked that. Mr. Baughman ran a bakery around the corner on Arrow across from the Sheriff's Office. That was when I started putting on weight LOL. (See Amy, LOL is ok) Sears was across the street from the newspaper. I worked there too after school cleaning up and helping check in freight. Gladys Bales was very patient with me in teaching how to do freight. I bought my first 12 ga. shotgun then, a J C Higgins. I still take it goose hunting.

-- Posted by red dog on Thu, Apr 15, 2010, at 9:15 AM

rr3yv0,

You're right. The very wealthy have been re-distributing income since income was invented.

Unfortunately it's always distributed up.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Thu, Apr 15, 2010, at 6:15 AM

wtf I agree I like the small stores and when I was growing up you could get a job for a few hours after school sweeping the floor, sacking groceries, etc. Now with child labor laws and the minimum wage has made our youth unemployed. Government interference has been the death of many small mom and pop businesses. The law of unintended consequences. Used to let kids throw the paper in town do they do that anymore?

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, Apr 15, 2010, at 6:13 AM

Happy income re-distribution day!

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, Apr 15, 2010, at 5:49 AM

The thing about going down memory lane and talking about the old neighborhood stores etc, just reinforces to me the we did just fine before the age of Wal-Mart.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Thu, Apr 15, 2010, at 5:09 AM

"Video: Muslim soldier reveals saga of abuse, racism"

http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0414/video-m...

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Apr 15, 2010, at 1:43 AM

The Davis' store was the one on the corner of Grant and Morgan...then they bought the B&B Market on Boyd from Monte Mistler. How many people ever got the 'speckled gum ball' out of the machine there? If you got it you could trade that in for how much? A nickel, dime or a quarter?

The old Santa Fe Trail Cafe...fed many, many people and especially F.M. Stampers employees! They had a "rush hour" at 4:30 a.m. Third shift employees would come there for there "lunch break"! I know...because I worked that shift! 4:30 to 12:30, 6 days a week! Best food in town, great price!

-- Posted by nouveaublogger on Thu, Apr 15, 2010, at 1:08 AM

Great to see so many old timers back sharing memories. Neighborhood grocery stores. Brings to mind the saying, "If we don't have it--you don't need it."

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Wed, Apr 14, 2010, at 11:21 PM

nanadot

If it had been Greenpeace or the ACLU would it still make your blood boil?

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Apr 14, 2010, at 10:47 PM

Night Sky,

I remember the old skating rink. The first time I went there Mr. Williams made sure that the skates fit and he coached me on how to skate. By the end of the night I was able to skate without falling too much. Doesn't he have the second hand store out on Eastwood?

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Apr 14, 2010, at 9:56 PM

news is that an o or a 0 you know there is a difference.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Apr 14, 2010, at 9:52 PM

All right, red dog, tonight I will talk about the corn cob factory. I will tackle the little grocery stores another time.

The corn cob factory was operated in the the 1960s by Wilbert Dittmer and J. Lester Marsh at the location west of the Cargill meat plant on 20 highway.

According to Mr. Dittmer's son, a good friend of mine and fellow classmate, the seed producers picked their corn on the ear at that time and was shelled at the elevators when it was sold.

The cobs were purchased and hauled to the corn cob factory where they were naturally dried down and then ground up. The ground cobs were used as feed filler for livestock feed and some were sold to a company that manufactured corn cob jelly. My buddy also told me that some of the ground cobs were sold to McDonnell-Douglas in St. Louis where they were used as a soft abrasive in sand blasting metal airline parts.

It is funny, but I never considered the uses for this product until reading your post. I always figured the corn cobs were sold to Gen. MacArthur or to a bath tissue manufacturer as an alternative to paper (just joking). Actually, my buddy told me that white corn cobs were preferred for the manufacture of corn cob pipes. Something about the chemical composition of the white cob that I still don't understand even after his informed explanation.

That's it for tonight. Will tackle the little stores another time including some that have not been mentioned so far. Isn't this better than all that nasty political bickering? GH

-- Posted by Gray hair on Wed, Apr 14, 2010, at 9:25 PM

Skating Rink. How many remember the skating rink up behind the post office off Salt Pond (yes, Salt Pond used to go all the way to Boyd). Do you recall the bowling alley down the hill from the Post Office? I used to set pins there. Don't remember what it paid, probably wasn't much. The job probably kept me and other kids that did it out of trouble. Child labor laws weren't much then.

-- Posted by red dog on Wed, Apr 14, 2010, at 9:01 PM

Night Sky

The place across the street was Vawters. Doc Raines worked for the Vawters. Doc later worked uptown at a liquor store at Salt Pond and North near the Santa Fe Trail Restaurant. I remember the Santa Fe Trail because they had a cigarette machine there, quarter a pack. I was one of the kids that used to try to be invisible and go in and buy a pack of cigarettes.

-- Posted by red dog on Wed, Apr 14, 2010, at 8:56 PM

Watch: "CNN anchor rips 'bigot' Tea Party leader"

http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0414/cnn-anc...

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Apr 14, 2010, at 8:51 PM

I'm thinking Scott Brown of Massachusetts is going to make a run at being the Republican candidate for president in the next election.

-- Posted by Night Sky on Wed, Apr 14, 2010, at 8:34 PM

red dog, I remember one business that was across from 65 drive-in where the bank now sits. Doc Raines had his store along there, didn't he? I remember the pictures of all the dogs he had.

Who remembers the old skating rink? Even after all these years I can hear Mr. Williams say, "All skate, all skate" and see those hot sausages at the snack bar floating in their jar of brine. He gave out saltines with them when you purchased one.

-- Posted by Night Sky on Wed, Apr 14, 2010, at 8:21 PM

I remember shopping at Mattingly's, Sam's, and Gibson's, and eating at A&W, and Little Duffer.

-- Posted by litlmissme on Wed, Apr 14, 2010, at 8:01 PM

OKR is going to have some catching up to do when he returns from his trip.

Red Dog, the memories are what keeps us sane in our advancing years. :)

Maybe you can help Jo remember where that big sandstone? ledge was located, the one with all the initials and such carved into it.

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, Apr 14, 2010, at 7:26 PM

rr3yv0

1.) right-wing wackos define themselves by their words and deeds just like anyone else.

2.) I don't cite non-expert opinion as you did.

Certainly Norris is free to hold his empty opinions but without credible qualification, his opinion means no more than mine or yours or any other non-expert opinion with no qualification....which is 0.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Apr 14, 2010, at 7:17 PM

Yep, 65 Drive In. LeRoy Coslet's place. When they changed the intersection at College and Odell, College St. was routed across the property where the restaurant sat. Speakers were real innovative at that time.

For those that don't remember, Valley Drive In was on the north end of Miami at High. Steve Potter and Mr. Smith ran it. It was part of the strip. Sometimes you went around to the bowling alley, but mostly you turned around at Valley Drive in.

Do you remember the business across the street from the 65 Drive In where the bank is now? How about Duggins Dairy just down the street? Duggins had the first soft ice cream place I remember besides the CreeMee. I used to walk to Duggin's just to get a root beer float. Seems like they cost a dime or about that.

I was driving on English St. a little bit ago and drove past an old grocery store just north of St. Peter School. It is a residence now. It sits on the alley between Morgan and Washington. I remember my dad buying me a pocket knife there. I had been to see the movie Davy Crockett. Davy Crockett could take a knife and throw it into a tree. I decided I could take that pocket knife and throw it into a tree too. Oops. About the third time, it broke. Funny thing, my dad never bought me another knife.

I have got to quit rambling. The grass needs cut, the windows need washed, the dog needs a bath, and here I am mired in the past.

-- Posted by red dog on Wed, Apr 14, 2010, at 6:33 PM

Monte Mistler and wife ran the grocery at Boyd and Benton also. I don't remember the Davis'. I remember the grocery now at Grant and Morgan, that must have been the Davis' store. it is a residence now.

Roy and Mary Brown ran the grocery at Jackson and Carroll. They took it over after Mr. and Mrs. Barron retired. Jimmy Walker ran his television shop there for a while. The building is a residence now.

The grocery on Ellsworth at Mitchell was ran by Mr. and Mrs. McGinnis. I don't remember anyone else running a grocery there. They were in business a whole bunch of years. It is a residence now.

Master's Grocery is correct. I remember buying nickle Baby Ruth's there. The king size ones sold for a quarter. My pea sized brain figured out the king size was four times as big as the regular one. I finally figured out a quarter would buy five little ones. Gee! manufacturers were misleading the public then too.

You are right about Langan's Grocery. It was on the North Street Strip. Five beer joints, A movie theater (hint, hint) a grocery and probably other stuff. The back of Penney's was across the street. That store was originally the Missouri Valley store, which was like an upscale five and dime.

Nightwine's, that is another grocery I remember. The building has long since been torn town. Do you remember where it was?

How about the grocery, tavern, whatever it was out on Eastwood at Park. I remember buying soda pop there and I remember it being dark inside. It was probably a tavern type operation. I disremember that too. The building is long gone.

Sand Holler (hollow). Who remembers where that is. Hahn and Phillips started their business down in that holler. Somewhere in there was the first electric power plant also, or so I have been told. The holler was where a lot of hunters went to sight in their rifles or just plink. That time is long past.

Oops! I am rambling. Time to go.

-- Posted by red dog on Wed, Apr 14, 2010, at 5:30 PM

Did the Valley drive-in or 65 drive-in have the speakers?

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Apr 14, 2010, at 5:06 PM

I miss the Chocolate Soldier that was always a treat.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Apr 14, 2010, at 4:45 PM

Shady Grove, I had disremembered the name. As for the Kroger store. We did have a Kroger here at one time didn't we? What was the store on the north side of the square? I think that was the first A&P, then they moved down on the corner as WTF said. Did A&P leave town and Kroger move into the Morgan/Jefferson building? Or was it the other way around?

The "New" Mary Lou was where the drive-in bank is. Knowing where either one was is an accomplishment. I am going to let the "Old" Mary Lou ride awhile.

Scarpetta, I had forgot about the Li'l Duffer. It was a hamburger place down at the corner of Benton and Arrow. There is a pharmacy there now.

The drive-in theater was out on Montague Hill. It seems like it was called "Parkside" The last I know someone was running an asphalt business there, but that has been awhile. It seems like it ended it's days running X-rated stuff. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Do you remember the CreeMee? The building is still there, remodeled but recognizable to those that remember.

What was the first drive-in restaurant to feature order from your car over the speaker system? If you remember that, you will remember the owner. Do I remember car hops on roller skates there? It seems like it happened, but I disremember that also.

Disremember isn't in the dictionary, but it oughta be. Now, I have to undisremember what I was doing before I got engrossed in this stuff.

-- Posted by red dog on Wed, Apr 14, 2010, at 4:30 PM

oh yeah...Lil' Duffer. On the corner of Arrow Street and Benton (pharmacy now there), home of the 19 cents burgers!!!!!

-- Posted by nouveaublogger on Wed, Apr 14, 2010, at 4:21 PM

Master's Grocery was on the corner of Benton and Clay(it is still standing)...It was the Safeway as previously stated. B&B Market(gone now) was on the corner of Boyd and Benton and was last bought and managed by Grover and Mary Davis after they sold the one on Grant Street (I think the bldg is still there. Browns was on Jackson street about a block from Benton School. Can't remember the name of the one on Ellsworth(still standing), was that Monte's Market? Langans grocery store was on North Street when I was a child.

"...thanks for the memories...."

-- Posted by nouveaublogger on Wed, Apr 14, 2010, at 4:19 PM

I don't know where any of those places once were. I recall my parents talking about the drive-in theater and Little Duffers (?). I think it was called Little Duffers, blast I don't like it when I suffer from CRS...

-- Posted by Scarpetta on Wed, Apr 14, 2010, at 3:35 PM

Red Dog,

The grocery store was a Safeway. Across the street from that was the A&P. The old Marylou theater I believe is where the Wood and Huston drive up is located behind the main bank. The grocery at redman and wash. was the old "Shady Grove. I believe it was the last of those neighborhood stores to remain open. I'm only 47 so I can't answer all your questions. My dad and I were talking just this past weekend about those days and the old neighborhood grocery stores. What a treat it was to walk in with your quarter and get and ice cold "GLASS BOTTLE" of orange soda. Progress is ok to a certain extent, but I really miss those days.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Apr 14, 2010, at 3:06 PM

Slater,

You are right. Red tractors. International Harvester (Farmall). The cob factory so called for the big wire bin that held corn cobs. John Deere's location is a little tougher. The area of the Municipal Utilities office at Jefferson and Morgan was John Deere, if I remember correctly. I remember a green board fence around it. Oddly enough, it wasn't John Deere green.

What grocery store was in the building now occupied by Municipal Utilities? Where was the Kroger Store? Where was Langan's Market? Larry, you can't answer.

How about the "New" Mary Lou Theater? How about the "Old" Mary Lou Theater? The old one is a little tougher. Where was the MFA gas station?

Monte's Market? Barron Grocery? Brown's Grocery? Master's Grocery? What was the name of the grocery store at Redman and Washington? How many remember Mikel's Grocery Store? What was the name of the grocery at Park Ave. and Eastwood?

I gotta quit this. Live for the day, plan for the future, don't dwell too much on the past. BUT, it is OK to learn from the past. Someone said, later paraphrased by Harry Truman that those that forget the past are bound to re-live it.

-- Posted by red dog on Wed, Apr 14, 2010, at 2:36 PM

Yeh but news I suppose your extreme left wing sources are impeccable you are not qualified to judge. Besides Norris can kick your butt even at 70 years old and he's not afraid to live here either.

Another sunny day in Missouri from a conservative christian ultra right wing wacko (just helping news out with his name calling).

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Apr 14, 2010, at 12:36 PM

Red Dog, I'm thinking of Farmall or Allis Cchalmers, but only because I remember those two from my early days. Could be a Ford. :)

I enjoy these puzzlers.

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, Apr 14, 2010, at 11:48 AM

I look in the mirror and see blonde hair. The DMV looks at the same hair and puts down "Gray". Count me in as someone who enjoys remembering "the way it was." Cob Factory is new. What era? What was the product?

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Wed, Apr 14, 2010, at 10:49 AM

rr3yv0

Chuck Norris is a huge Bush/Cheney fan....and a well known, ultra-right wing wacko.

...and he isn't exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer.

You may want to find a better source than that joker...he has 0 credibility.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Apr 14, 2010, at 8:34 AM

The Cob Factory was indeed the place on 20 Highway just west of town at the curve. The Chicken Tree is a little (maybe a lot) more obscure. On west of the Cob Factory was an old tree that, in silhouette, resembled a chicken, thus "Chicken Tree". Unless you traveled the road often, it is not likely you would be familiar with it.

A couple of more poseurs. What kind of tractor was sold from the building at the southeast corner of English and Arrow? Remember, they parked the new tractors along the west side of the building. What was the location of the John Deere operation in the 1950's?

-- Posted by red dog on Wed, Apr 14, 2010, at 5:35 AM

Red Dog, I love these old business posts, mainly because I am old enough to remember most of them. While I do not remember the chicken tree, I do remember a cob factory, if you are speaking of the one west of the Marshall city limits. I will await your reply before my dissertation, and, like you, I am tired of all the bickering and name calling. I once had a civil discussion on this blog with "third child" which proves that civility really does work. GH

-- Posted by Gray hair on Tue, Apr 13, 2010, at 10:09 PM

more taxes=more protest

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?i...

a message from a true patriot

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMhLgC8WG...

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Tue, Apr 13, 2010, at 9:55 PM

Amy Crump said this:

"I'll have to find a more refined manner of expressing my displeasure."

ME: Just follow Miss Marple's lead.

-- Posted by Slater on Tue, Apr 13, 2010, at 8:45 PM

"Pakistan air-strike kills 71 civilians: official"

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36452600/ns/...

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Apr 13, 2010, at 7:14 AM

Ooops. That sentence should have read "need to do a better job . . ."

-- Posted by Amy Crump on Mon, Apr 12, 2010, at 8:59 PM

Oh my gosh! My comment was deleted. I guess I need to better job of not being too snippy. Because yes, my response to Cosa Nostra was not said in a joking manner. I did not find his comments amusing.

I'll have to find a more refined manner of expressing my displeasure.

-- Posted by Amy Crump on Mon, Apr 12, 2010, at 8:58 PM

mrxray, you continue to call people names for no apparent reason, other than to be rude, or to point out that you disagree. That's twice you've called me a hypocritical snob while insisting it is only the left-leaning folks who descend to name-calling.

The term CAVE people is not original with me, and I was not addressing you when I used it. But of course, if the shoes fits...

Shall we take a stroll through the postings just in the recent past and see who's doing the name-calling? Here's a hint - it's not me.

-- Posted by Miss Marple on Mon, Apr 12, 2010, at 8:16 PM

Enough of the carrying on children. On a local, non-personal level, I would still like to know who remembers the Cob Factory and the Chicken Tree.

-- Posted by red dog on Mon, Apr 12, 2010, at 7:45 PM

Amy Crump

Actually I welcome the baiting...it gives me an opportunity to be rude.

Keep it coming lol.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Apr 12, 2010, at 7:17 PM

HickoryDickoryDock

I have yet to meet a human being who is not self-centered and ego centric.

Perhaps its nature we are dealing with and not nurture.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Apr 12, 2010, at 7:15 PM

Apparently your husband didn't think it was so funny. That comment about looking in windows was jokingly said in reference to you calling Cosa a "him". As in, how else would you know?

By the way -- I took his comments to you as jokingly said. But from your remarks back to him, you didn't.

Perfect examples of why I will remain anonymous, thank you. Can't hear tone of voice, can't see facial expression. Tonto say -- Difficult to get joke across!

-- Posted by Night Sky on Mon, Apr 12, 2010, at 6:22 PM

I'm such a dork. Of course, I put LOL after I just said that's what I did. My teenagers would hang their head in shame.

-- Posted by Amy Crump on Mon, Apr 12, 2010, at 6:13 PM

Night sky,

That made me laugh out loud. LOL!

Amy

-- Posted by Amy Crump on Mon, Apr 12, 2010, at 6:11 PM

An example of our government universal health care.

http://cbs4.com/health/Diana.Smith.Woman...

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Mon, Apr 12, 2010, at 5:12 PM

It is easy to put down people who do not want to use their real name on a public forum. In today's age of hypereggagerated political correctness, many people fear that if they post comments that differ from the radicals or the left leaning people then they might lose their job. And in this age of BIG GOVERNMENT out of control spending, jobs are hard to come by and probably are going to be harder to come by as the years go on... or at least not any easier.

Any comment I make is in direct response to something that a specific person or group of people make on this forum. If you choose to take it personal then that is your issue. But when you make a comment that accuses other people with differing opinions of being CAVE people, uncaring or right wing nuts, then you can expect it right back.... lol

-- Posted by mrxray on Mon, Apr 12, 2010, at 1:15 PM

Amy C. I never claimed to NOT be using names or descriptive terms. Hypocritical snob and CAVE people, even if you and Miss Marple are or are not the same person, was a result of the post by Miss marple who continually puts down anyone with a conservative, small government, personal responsibility outlook OR differing opinions from her/you.

so you can laugh all you want but the hypocrisy is real.

-- Posted by mrxray on Mon, Apr 12, 2010, at 1:11 PM

rr3yv0

No one said illegal immigration is good. Stop being so racist and give these people a break, and time to do what they need to to become legal.theres nothing wrong with wanting to be American.To have the same opportunities as we do.

-- Posted by notgvnasht on Mon, Apr 12, 2010, at 10:44 AM

SO... we are just supposed to continue to allow more and more ILLEGAL aliens to enter our land, THEN allow them 'the time' to become legal? WHAT kind of immigration policy is that? You just want to allow ALL people from ALL nations to immigrate to this nation illegally THEN give them all time to become LEGAL? Is that not an insult to ALL immigrants that abode by the rules and played the game LEGALLY? and is that not an insult to EVERY citizen who wants safety and security, EVEN those who live close to the borders where ILLEGALS are entering non stop?

It amazes me the people who do not see the SECURITY problem for our nation and who would rather play political correctness instead of dealing with REAL problems... just like Obama and crew do not want to acknowledge EVER the ISLAMIC RADICAL TERRORISTS and want to dumb down the terms used and therefore dumb down the reality and severity of the REAL threats....

-- Posted by mrxray on Mon, Apr 12, 2010, at 12:56 PM

what the f...

You probably don't recognize "the26er" as I refrain from making cynical or accusatory comments. I usually only post on individual stories, not on the "front page" post - whatever this is called. I have read this many times and after a few entries I usually decide that I have more productive ways to spend my time. This one caught my eye because of a few comments that obviously were hatefulness and spite towards Amy. I have only been around her at the library but I feel she has proven herself as a concerned citizen of Marshall, and deserves to be treated with respect. Actually, most everyone deserves to be treated with respect just because we are God's children and we all need to learn to live together. Remember the "Everything I need to know I learned in Kindergarten" (forgive me if I did not get all the words right). If you have never read this I challenge all to Google (or Yahoo, or whatever...) the essay. It is WAY TOO beautiful outside for all of us to be sitting on our computers wasting time on berating others' opinions, so I am signing off and going out to enjoy the day !!!

Karen Zimmerman (aka the26er)

-- Posted by the26er on Mon, Apr 12, 2010, at 12:32 PM

Karen -- thanks for the kind words. It's okay, I didn't really expect that many people who would want to reveal their real name.

News -- my apology. I was baiting you as an example of what can happen on this site. I bear you no ill will.

zeke -- I'm glad to hear that 'ski is a soft drink because I greatly dislike the taste of beer. The slaw burger sounds wonderful as do the fries just out of the grease. Unfortunately, my rapidly increasing years are just one of the reasons that I can't eat like that anymore. (Or drink soda, for that matter.)

Everyone have a wonderful day -- the weather is fantastic!

-- Posted by Amy Crump on Mon, Apr 12, 2010, at 12:00 PM

the26er,

Sorry, never heard of you.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Mon, Apr 12, 2010, at 11:59 AM

I have to agree with rr3yv0 on this one.

It doesn't make us racist. We are staunch legalists.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Mon, Apr 12, 2010, at 11:58 AM

We in southern Illinois always used "ski" as a short phrase for "brewski" (aka brew or beer).

-- Posted by the26er on Mon, Apr 12, 2010, at 11:56 AM

news across - you called yourself John Q Public - that is a common reference to someone representing the public - duhhh!! It's as old of a name-phrase as John Doe, or saying to sign your "John Hancock". And to all of you - back off from Amy Crump - I respect her for being willing to let people know who is posting what she is posting. And now that I sign with my actual name I wonder how many people (who have read any postings I have submitted in the past) will say "Oh, now I know who that was!". If you are not willing to say something to a person's face it is probably best to just stay quiet.

Signing off - Karen Zimmerman (aka the26er)

-- Posted by the26er on Mon, Apr 12, 2010, at 11:53 AM

notgvnasht

I am not racist I just think if someone wants to come to this country do it legally. We have immigration laws let's enforce them. It should be their responsibility to come here legally not mine. We have people come here legally every day. Why should we tolerate such blatant disregard for our immigration laws?

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Mon, Apr 12, 2010, at 11:43 AM

Actually, "ski" is a soft drink -- sorry zeke -- I'd prefer the beer too. Citrus flavored, similar to Mountain Dew.

M

-- Posted by missy08 on Mon, Apr 12, 2010, at 10:35 AM

Heh heh...Missy, blame it on the cloistered atmosphere of small-town living.

-- Posted by Slater on Mon, Apr 12, 2010, at 10:33 AM

amy

a slaw burger is a big fat hamburger with a pile of cole slaw on it. a "slaw burger fries and a bottle of 'ski'" would be a meal consisting of a hamburger with slaw, french fries (or cottage fries - depending on what part of the south you may be in at the time) and a cold bottle of beer. if that sounds like something you might enjoy, give it a try sometime. just be sure the burger isn't over cooked and the fries are still steaming when you place them in the little plastic basket with a wax paper liner. oh yeah, after reading his blog, it looks as though geoff wouldn't mind joining you on this gastronomic expedition of exploration.

zeke

-- Posted by zeke on Mon, Apr 12, 2010, at 10:25 AM

Amy Crump

I don't recall claiming to represent the public. However I certainly am a member of the American public...as much as the next natural born American citizen I guess.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Apr 12, 2010, at 10:04 AM

Amy Crump

I wasn't being rude but I can get rude. I am human.

Regarding my whereabouts...sometimes I am in Australia and sometimes I am in Missouri. And don't worry...I don't take veiled threats seriously. They are welcome to try I guess and I am welcome to use reasonable force to defend myself, and I can do that pretty well.

Never-the-less, I have no intention of giving up my anonymity. I think its just flat out a bad idea.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Apr 12, 2010, at 10:03 AM

I guess I need to get out more -- I didn't even know that Slater had a paper!!!

The sun is shining!!!

Beautiful day!

M

-- Posted by missy08 on Mon, Apr 12, 2010, at 9:53 AM

I was readng Slater's paper the other day ( a past issue) and there is a picture of our Governor along with Slater's Police Chief and believe it or not a man that is on the sex offender's list-- now there's a story.

-- Posted by workingmom on Mon, Apr 12, 2010, at 8:44 AM

red dog,

I don't know what a slaw burger is but I'm game!

Amy

-- Posted by Amy Crump on Mon, Apr 12, 2010, at 7:56 AM

News,

See, it's possible to write snippy remarks (like my last post) and still use your name.

By the way, you can call yourself anything you want but you don't represent the public that I count myself part of.

-- Posted by Amy Crump on Mon, Apr 12, 2010, at 7:55 AM

Amy,

I think it is time for some reconciliation. Let's all go down to Dumas Walker's, get a slaw burger, fries and a bottle of 'ski and talk it out.

-- Posted by red dog on Mon, Apr 12, 2010, at 7:41 AM

News,

I have to admit that reading your response to my post left me with two responses:

1. You are one of the people who enjoy using the posts and anonymity to be rude. Why else would you put the part about laughing at my comments?

2. You're worried about physical threats? You're in Australia, man! You must really be someone important if you think they're going to travel that far.

-- Posted by Amy Crump on Mon, Apr 12, 2010, at 7:08 AM

Amy,

I read your suggestion with great interest.

I considered each point you made carefully.

Then, when I finally stopped laughing, I remembered a few veiled threats against my physical well-being that were hurled at me in a few comments over the years in this forum.

If you must know my identity then just think of it as

John Q Public

Thanks for you suggestion though.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Apr 12, 2010, at 4:27 AM

Red Dog, and OceanLord I just wanted to say that I enjoy your posts.

I also want to say I do not care what is your real name, gender, nor age. I appreciate the opportunity to consider someone's thoughts without the danger of prejudging because I know who you are. Mind to mind with nothing obscuring the connection seems purer to me.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Apr 11, 2010, at 11:24 PM

For those that think illegal immigration is sooooo good.

http://www.usillegalaliens.com/the_dark_...

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sun, Apr 11, 2010, at 7:43 PM

I have been pondering about how I post things since I started putting my real name on them.

Believe it or not, a few of my posts have been deleted from this blog. (You can imagine that generated an interesting conversation with the newspaper editor.)

It's easy to be snippy when you are anonymous.

But now that I given up that anonymity, I find that I am more careful about what I put in my posts. The other day, I started to put a post and after three drafts, decided not to post it at all because I couldn't find a way to avoid being snide.

Why am I rambling on about this? Because I would like to suggest that everyone consider putting your real name on your posts. I believe this will serve two purposes:

1. You will know who you are talking to and it will be more like when you are having a face-to-face conversation. Civility may return.

2. We will know who is just trolling our blog, without any connections to our community, trying to stir up a disagreement.

Something to consider,

Amy

-- Posted by Amy Crump on Sun, Apr 11, 2010, at 5:18 PM

...and lifted from the sidebar of Hickory's link is this video on secrecy and censorship:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-tedxkEG...

-- Posted by Slater on Sun, Apr 11, 2010, at 3:40 PM

Gee Ms. Marple, this x-ray fella seems to think you are one of those loud and obnoxious people. He seems to be sure you are one of the CAVE people. I never thought of you as anything but a nice, caring person. Watch what you say, your image is at risk.

-- Posted by red dog on Sun, Apr 11, 2010, at 3:33 PM

Laughing so hard I almost can't type, mrxray! You said, "WHY cant the leftist leaning people be civil and refuse to call names and more importantly why cant they stop being such hypocritical snobs."

Who is it that's calling people names now? Or is "hypocritical snobs" not name-calling?

-- Posted by Miss Marple on Sun, Apr 11, 2010, at 1:13 PM

IMO, the illegal alien situation is not a big worry as far as the economy is concerned. What has led to our current depression economical problems? Not illegals aliens! Instead we should be worried about our government re economy.

We have a name for it, "the interest-only negative amortizing adjustable-rate sub prime mortgage". Lenders make loans to people who can't repay them, house loans of 125% or more of already inflated valuation. They make the loans and then sell them to fixed income investment banks which in turn puts the loans into bonds to sell to investors such as unions, retirees, and other funds.

After all, what do the lenders (banks, et al) care about being repaid, they will get bailed out by the "criminal (my opinion) socialistic" notion of TOO BIG TO FAIL! I recently read of a CEO who's company lost $400 billion and yet he got a $100 million bonus. So who pays for the bulk of the debt? Mostly the homeowner who was seduced into the easy money of cashing in on their equity. Consider this, if you own a house with no or negative equity, you are just a renter with a big debt!

So what is your answer? Start a Spartan plan to pay off all possible debt so that when you reach my age (mid 70's) you will be debt free. Hopefully, you can be debt free a lot sooner and able to retire before age 50 as I was. WT

-- Posted by White Tornado on Sun, Apr 11, 2010, at 12:59 PM

So the illegal alien issue does not concern most of you? and you dont care that they come across an open border that we do not protect and that mixed in with the illegals are another group of illegals....terrorists? So since you make an unsubstantiated claim that MOST illegals are nice and friendly and hard workers, you think that outweighs the numbers of members of the drug cartels that are getting braver and braver and cross the borders with weapons and poke and prod into the border patrol and national guard units that are patrolling the border? Ohhh the numbers that are nice and friendly and hard workers justifies the ones who DO come across and kill people and conduct militant type actions to support the drug cartels?

You also support the fact that US CITIZENS with ALL legal supporting rights are having their property overrun with dangerous criminals?

Ohhhhh and did you know that in CA that it is illegal to shoot and kill an illegal alien that is tresspassing or entering your property and threatening your life?

WHO CARES about the border or our LAWS that govern immigration???? who cares...

-- Posted by mrxray on Sun, Apr 11, 2010, at 12:03 PM

No, no, no, silence will not do. CAVE people are loud, quite often obnoxious, and claim to know the nefarious purpose behind even such innocuous events as the resignation of a teacher. They would find something negative in even the most joyous event, poor things.

MISS Marple... lol.... you describe yourself well... maybe not the no no no part but the loud and obnoxious people who try to push something they want onto everyone else and when they dont agree with you then you call them names and belittle them and follow the liberal leadership in all things from federal issues to local issues.

WHY cant the leftist leaning people be civil and refuse to call names and more importantly why cant they stop being such hypocritical snobs.

Just because someone opposes the school bond the way it is currently written or Obamacare, does NOT make them evil or uncaring or anything by AN AMERICAN, just like everyone on here except Newsacross.....

-- Posted by mrxray on Sun, Apr 11, 2010, at 11:57 AM

WTF,

Not *quite* as catchy but the sentiment is the same.

Have a great day!!!

still giggling

M

-- Posted by missy08 on Sun, Apr 11, 2010, at 11:29 AM

missy08-

Thanx. The answer to your question is, not very long. Maybe I should rephrase it to:

"peeonus frustratus"

pee-on-us fru-stra-tus

-- Posted by What the f...... on Sun, Apr 11, 2010, at 10:59 AM

red dog - There IS a name for the syndrome you're describing. The people who so enjoy howling at the moon over everything that happens here are members of a species called CAVE people - Citizens Against Virtually Everything. They've been around for years, apparently waiting for just this moment to burst forth in full flower.

Members of the species are characterized by never having anything good to say about anything. Not for them, dear old Mom's exhortation, "If you can't say something good, don't say anything." No, no, no, silence will not do. CAVE people are loud, quite often obnoxious, and claim to know the nefarious purpose behind even such innocuous events as the resignation of a teacher. They would find something negative in even the most joyous event, poor things.

-- Posted by Miss Marple on Sun, Apr 11, 2010, at 10:31 AM

WTF

Fabulous! Love it. Wonder how long that will survive on the board?

LOL

Have a great day!

M

-- Posted by missy08 on Sun, Apr 11, 2010, at 8:20 AM

My feeble brain has finally wrapped around this school bond issue and arrived at the conclusion the people are suffering with a syndrome. What kind of syndrome? Well, it doesn't have a name yet. Perhaps someone out there can attach a name to the conclusion I am about to offer for consideration.

I think the lower political positions are suffering with what President Reagan called "trickle down". Now let's face it, school boards, 911 boards and the like are about as politically low as you can get. People can't have any direct input to the high positions. I mean come on now, how many think politicians on the national level actually read the E-Mails sent to them? People can get directly involved with the low ranking politicians and express overall feelings at that level.

IS IT POSSIBLE THE PEOPLE ARE VENTING THEIR FRUSTATIONS WITH THE HIGHER UPS BY EXPRESSING DISSATISFACTION WITH THOSE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE TOTEM POLE?

This backlash seems to be happening now in Marshall. I wonder how far it will spread. It has been building for twenty years and I doubt it has peaked.

I doubt most of the board members serving in the lower echelon of politics think of themselves as politicians. I mean, after all, how many do you know that have used a school board position as a stepping stone to higher political aspirations?

This syndrome needs a name. Marshall has been struggling with an identity crisis for years. Perhaps this is what Marshall has been waiting for. Jim the Wonder Dog hasn't done much for the image yet. The Battle of Marshall hasn't done much in the way of attracting tourists. Maybe this is the gimmick. Someone think up a catchy term for the syndrome, then we can promote it and attract national fame. "Trickle Down" has already been used, but I am sure there are creative minds out there that can do the trick.

-- Posted by red dog on Sun, Apr 11, 2010, at 7:08 AM

Glad to hear from you my friend! Glad to see your back, and ok!

-- Posted by Jo on Sun, Apr 11, 2010, at 3:15 AM

Just one afterthought. What a clever thing the Corporatists have done. After sending every job that they possibly could to low wage third world countries. They imported low wage third world workers to work the jobs they could not export.

The only real resistance came from the unions of our workers, most are now at best weak, and ineffectual.

Thank you union busting corporations. Thank you corporate mouthpiece Ronald Reagan for superselling it to our asleep at the wheel sheepizens. Thank you all the presidents from Carter forward who lined up together supporting the cause of "world trade", which was really just a wage raid.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Apr 11, 2010, at 2:46 AM

Maybe we should not bemoan the presence of illegal aliens. At least when they are here our national economy enjoys the fruits of the majority of their labor. If they were not here the ruling corporatocracy would just find new ways to send more jobs to where they came from, and our economy would suffer even more.

The corporatocracy will not allow programs to be put into place that would truly expel them. It would cause the labor costs in this country to sky rocket, and endanger their competitive edge in the world market.

To end the illegal immigrant "problem" all that need be done is to make the penalty for hiring them be prison sentences, and huge fines for the executives of the companies who hire them. The policing could be financed by utilizing the funds spent on the sham border fence, and all the extra patrols on our border. No need for a fence,nor border patrols if there is no one to hire them when they get here. That will never happen.

Nothing will change for the betterment of our human citizenry from the top down.

If such change should occur it will be from the bottom up. Guess what folks, the very bottom is those self same illegal immigrants who often toil in less tham humane conditions for less than a living wage.

They are the surface workers of America. By that I mean that they furnish the labor to take care of nearly every surface in our country. They replace our roof surfaces, they take care of the surfaces of our lawns, they bend to the surface of our onion fields, and all other squat, and bend to the soil surface endeavors. They clean our carpets, and counter surfaces in many residences, and nearly every motel, and office building. As we drive our national roadways cursing at detours, and delays we look out the windows of our comfortable cars we see that they are the ones working the highway surfaces.

Time was when many of those jobs paid good wages. They could again, but only if the impetus is provided by those who need better wages. There will never be a true impetus arising from those who must pay the better wages.

Therefore I believe that these surface workers, the millions of them illegal, and legal, Hispanic in majority, but not entirely, must form a strong giant union. They would have the power to upset our economy. They could be called Surface Workers Alliance for Progress, or in this day of catchy acronyms, SWAP.

It is the only way to restore these jobs to a position where they can lead to living a modest version of The American Dream. It could be a major factor toward ending the wage stagnation forced upon all of us by our corporatist masters for far too long.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Apr 11, 2010, at 2:19 AM

Well, as I live and breath, it's WT! Good to see you again. :)

-- Posted by Slater on Sat, Apr 10, 2010, at 9:56 PM

Hello Upsedaisy,

Long time no see. All is well with you, I trust. :)

-- Posted by Slater on Sat, Apr 10, 2010, at 9:54 PM

I get a bit peeved at all this ranting about illegals, aliens, et al. After all, aren't we all from another country originally? As a matter of fact, even the so called Indians, native Americans, came across the Bering land bridge from Asia. Most folks mislabel the Indians as being so named by Columbus because they looked like people from India. In 1492 there was no such place as India, it was then known as Hindustan and as ole Casey Stengel used to say, "you could look it up!"

Historians speculate Columbus was probably mistaking them as Italian and misread his notorious handwriting. He wrote of them as "Una genre in Dios" or a people of God in Italian then read as InDions hence the short leap to Indians.

Are there really any natives anywhere in the world? except maybe the Great Rift valley of Africa where humans began? So, it looks to me like everyone else is just visiting!

I lived in Texas for 3 years and basically in California for over 40 years except some times back to Marshall and I have known many so called aliens from Mexico. As a group, I would say they are the best friends, nicest people, honest and certainly hard working. In the Ca. area, most of them are working hard to support family members back "home" and usually living at a poverty level themselves. They usually have to work the jobs other people wouldn't work. Their biggest "crime" was being born 50 yards to far South. WT

If I lose a debate, does that make me outspoken?

-- Posted by White Tornado on Sat, Apr 10, 2010, at 9:51 PM

in fact maybe if this was not such a racist state you would realize that these so called illegals work there butts off and are generally good family people.Sooner or later they will be legal.

-- Posted by notgvnasht on Sat, Apr 10, 2010, at 4:24 PM

HMMMM too bad they are ILLEGAL and in violation of US and STATE laws and those that hire them are in violation of laws.... NO other nation allows such disregard to national borders and disruptions to their social programs and tax base.

Sovereignty means nothing in this country and that is why our nation is just begging for another 9/11. All the terrorists have to do is walk across the mexico/US border and they have their run of the nation. They can access the SAME fake ID materials as any other illegal alien. WE ARE STUPIDLY ignoring this problem and the bleeding heart liberals can only claim that we need to grant them amnesty so the few remaining TAX payers can pay for their health care legally along with any other entitlements that the bleeding hearts want to give to them at the tax payers expense.

-- Posted by mrxray on Sat, Apr 10, 2010, at 7:51 PM

Are the fools tied up and need "loosening" or should they be rendered "lost" without breadcrumbs to find their way back?

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Sat, Apr 10, 2010, at 7:34 PM

Fox News videos are made especially for that percentage of the news-watching population which leaves the thinking to others.

I read a few of the comments generated by that "News" video, and they brought to mind the movie line, "Feed me, Seymour!"

-- Posted by Slater on Sat, Apr 10, 2010, at 4:02 PM

Sticks and stones, whatever. Still doesn't change the fact everything in my post is true. And, I'm still hearing the same opinion everywhere. Heard it in the booth next to me this morning at Bloomfields. Loose the fools, get new schools.

By the way, I'm not an idiot, I built this computer! hehehe!

-- Posted by yogagirl on Sat, Apr 10, 2010, at 2:35 PM

Did y'all see this? Headline says it all "Where's the Outrage?"

http://www.breitbart.tv/wheres-the-outra...

The sun is shining! It is a beautiful day!

M

-- Posted by missy08 on Sat, Apr 10, 2010, at 12:12 PM

Here I thought the Tea Party was causing all the trouble.

http://video.foxnews.com/v/4144219/congr...

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Fri, Apr 9, 2010, at 10:14 PM

new I figured you knew the answer since you brought it up.

Did you check all the links in "America, The Grim Truth" we need to make sure we have all the facts you know. Maybe those here illegally will read it and leave for greener pastures.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Fri, Apr 9, 2010, at 10:03 PM

I would like if everyone would use the blog offered for reasons for voting no. Thank you MDN.

-- Posted by KW on Fri, Apr 9, 2010, at 9:10 PM

Eric,

Do you have someone who covers things like restraunts? It would be interesting to know more about that eating establishment going into some old buildings on Arrow Street off the northwest corner of the sqaure. It takes up several former storefronts in that old building and the rehab looks to have been significant. Seems the rumors have it that it is supposed to be an Irish Pub themed affair and was to have opened already. Even though it is in an old building, looking in from the front windows, it looks like it is going to be at least a nicely appointed place once it opens. Thank you.

-- Posted by oceanlord49 on Fri, Apr 9, 2010, at 8:44 PM

news, say what?

-- Posted by Night Sky on Fri, Apr 9, 2010, at 7:58 PM

Loose the fools, get new schools!

-- Posted by yogagirl on Fri, Apr 9, 2010, at 4:24 PM

mo_maxine I do not have a problem with most of your post but I do with this part "Perhaps if we had worried more about the schools, instead of building tennis courts or football fields, things might have turned out different. We should have been more interested in education which involves a place for the children to learn. We were busy building up our athletic department while my children were here going to school."

First the money for the tennis courts came from a grant and it could only be used for tennis courts!

The only money that came out of the school funds for the rest of the athletic complex was for the lights on the baseball field the rest of the money was raised by the Marshall Booster Club a large chunk of it came from a private donation from one person it was to only be used for the football stadium.

-- Posted by Gal66 on Fri, Apr 9, 2010, at 8:05 AM

rr3yv0

You tell me answer man lol. I am sure yours will involve doing nothing about it.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Apr 9, 2010, at 7:58 AM

Ok news if they are innocent what is the solution?

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Fri, Apr 9, 2010, at 7:07 AM

whoo hoo!! Sheryl Crowe at the Mo State Fair!!!

-- Posted by wheresthelove on Fri, Apr 9, 2010, at 7:02 AM

"America: The Grim Truth"

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/206251...

My wife found this commentary. I think its rather amusing. The author is another American who as he put it, "escaped America." Its pretty humorous.

Its another beautiful sunny Day in Sydney!

Enjoy!

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Apr 9, 2010, at 6:58 AM

It wasn't exactly an apology and it certainly wasn't a tantrum.

Of course opinions matter. My point is that all the rhetoric built up around the school bond focuses on things other than the basic facts of the matter.

New schools for Marshall is a necssity.

-- Posted by Amy Crump on Fri, Apr 9, 2010, at 6:20 AM

Night Sky

Who asked you support a boycott and which boycott?

It sure isn't me mate.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Apr 9, 2010, at 3:05 AM

"George W. Bush 'knew Guantánamo prisoners were innocent'"

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/wo...

WOW!!! ...and its coming from a senior member of the Bush Administration.

WOW!! This may get pretty interesting.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Apr 9, 2010, at 1:13 AM

(read below) -> Nothing else matters?

I thought my opinion mattered...... my vote was NO and it matters to me!!

-- Posted by awake on Thu, Apr 8, 2010, at 11:56 PM

news, you still talking about this? Give it up. I'm not going to boycott Marshall businesses. (Unless you have one here?)

I won't do it. You can't make me, you can't make me. Na-na-na-na-boo-boo.

-- Posted by Night Sky on Thu, Apr 8, 2010, at 11:43 PM

Night Sky

Weather or not you agree with my view, and the millions of other folks who might agree, that targeting and boycotting those businesses that may be pursuing political ends that are contrary to the public interest is a useful economic/political tool, is completely irreverent to the subject.

The point is and remains that boycotting a specific, local business (not all local businesses) in order to persuade that business' owner(s) to reverse their political goals has proven to be very effective over the many years that the power of the pocket book has been utilized.

Welcome to Free Market economics lol.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Apr 8, 2010, at 11:36 PM

rr3,

I'll recommend Slater High School, which occupies a building constructed in the mid-1930s, with recent renovations, plus a lunch facility directly across the street, owned and operated by one of Marshall's own.

Go have a look and while you're there, view the trophy case which contains a number of items, one of which is a football from the Fall 1948 game between Slater and Marshall which Slater won 61-0 (my brother scored 4 TDs in that one). :)

Seriously, I don't know what more a parent could do, based on the commentary, past and present, regarding the bond elections. Somehow there seems to be some sort of perpetual disconnect between the school board methodology/perceived need and the voters. It seems school districts everywhere have a common belief in a never-empty well of tax dollars.

-- Posted by Slater on Thu, Apr 8, 2010, at 11:26 PM

Amy,

So if we acquiesce that our opinions are not based on fact, you will in turn concede that using the term "scraped up" was inappropriate?

Is that about right? Hmmmm......no thanks.

My opinion, for whatever it's worth is every bit as valid as yours. Your tantrum is aimed at the wrong people. You wanna blame someone? Blame those who agree with you but didn't make it out to the polls. It was a beautiful day by the way.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Thu, Apr 8, 2010, at 10:40 PM

I will admit that the words "scraped together" were inappropriate if all who were offended admit that the reasons that have been posted here to vote no over and over again are not based on a clear assessment of the problem.

It's simple: the buildings are old and overcrowded. Three of them were built by our great-grandparents. They need to be replaced. Money being spent on them (both in the past and now) is money that doesn't get spent on basic educational needs.

Our children deserve a quality educational environment. Nothing else matters.

-- Posted by Amy Crump on Thu, Apr 8, 2010, at 10:04 PM

KW, thank you for the explanation.

-- Posted by Night Sky on Thu, Apr 8, 2010, at 9:48 PM

You're right, news. It's my prerogative. I won't be part of a boycott of local businesses.

And, bingo, you're right again -- I don't agree with your views. But we've never agreed on anything so it doesn't surprise me.

Onward and upward.

-- Posted by Night Sky on Thu, Apr 8, 2010, at 9:47 PM

One more thing, can we please have the teachers STOP bringing their pets to school. When a kid has to step over a lab to get to the office and their allergy medicine, someone's just not GETTING IT!

-- Posted by yogagirl on Thu, Apr 8, 2010, at 9:33 PM

I live in a neighboring school district without a high school and have a child that will be in high school in a couple of years. We have the choice of Marshall, Slater, Malta Bend or Brunswick. Right now I would not choose Marshall for my child.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Thu, Apr 8, 2010, at 9:14 PM

I don't mean to be a pestering blogger as I rarely state anything on here. However; I am quite upset about the "scraped up" comment myself. These are things and issues very important some. Yes, a new school is supported here but there are somethings that need to be cleaned up first and foremost. You can't keep having major problems and ask for a new school. I believe there are some great teachers in Marshall school and guess what; they will be great teachers in a new school or an old one. I don't know who made the comment but it I agree that unless parents get involved the students don't get as much from their education. Dr. Noah got thrown into a tornado here and he came to work with the district. Lets let him have the chance to clean up the act of the district and give Marshall a better name. People cringe when you say you live here. Friends of mine that are teachers in other districts can not believe the lack of ethics and morals here. It is sad, very sad. I say let's get busy and TURN IT AROUND. We are going to live here for a long time due to jobs I would like to be proud of Marshall and not have to stand up and try to defend all the lack of morals.

-- Posted by KW on Thu, Apr 8, 2010, at 8:39 PM

I didn't mention any names merely gave facts that apparently didn't sit well. First was in regard to the escapade at the State Fair a few years ago and how only an "apology" was needed for this person to be allowed to be back to lead our children - that really teaches the kiddos right from wrong huh?! Second was that one administrator was poaching with his children a couple years ago; and YES I do know this as a FACT as my family was the ones that turned them in. In fact no one would know this as it wasn't in Saline County. Trust me - I know the agent there and we helped them on the case. Lastly was just mentioning the teachers cheating, not cheating, law suit issue. Just a whole lot of things completely unethical. I also mentioned that I do no send my child to this district out of choice. I do live here and I do pay taxes here but I will not allow my child to be taught and led by such disgraceful choices.

Also - I would like to mention that I surely hope this town does not chase out Dr. Noah. Give him a chance.

-- Posted by KW on Thu, Apr 8, 2010, at 7:28 PM

Night Sky

You may not agree with my views on political activism, never-the-less, such activism and the techniques used to achieve success have been proven to be quite effective.

Business and government have always had a close relationship and often times local businessmen are deeply involved with local politics. Identifying and targeting opposition that is politically active with political tools -- such as boycotting a particular business -- are perfectly legitimate in any political struggle.

Certainly you may choose not to be part of any boycott...that is your prerogative. No one is twisting your arm. However, boycotts of businesses is a political technique that has been used for many years and is a technique used by parties and groups on both sides of the aisle.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Apr 8, 2010, at 6:53 PM

Here's an informal poll about the poll. The answer that people don't trust the school board is leading the others. Are people being truthful or are they being facetious?

-- Posted by Night Sky on Thu, Apr 8, 2010, at 5:28 PM

I agree with Scarpetta. Boycotting local business people is not the way to make a statement. It would be foolish and stupid. And like she said, because we live here, that's why.

-- Posted by Night Sky on Thu, Apr 8, 2010, at 4:30 PM

KW, you said your post was deleted, the one in regard to why people voted no. Can you redo it so that the information will be there but that names won't be named, or whatever it was that caused the deletion? I'm interested in those reasons.

-- Posted by Night Sky on Thu, Apr 8, 2010, at 4:27 PM

Upon further reading I see I am not the only one who felt the term "scraped up" was demeaning.

-- Posted by Night Sky on Thu, Apr 8, 2010, at 4:24 PM

Scraped up? You've got to be kidding.

Amy Crump, the reasons people voted against the school bond are just as important and meaningful to them as are the reasons to the people who voted yes. There is no need to be so demeaning to people. Remember, you've got to court those future votes, not turn people even further away.

-- Posted by Night Sky on Thu, Apr 8, 2010, at 4:23 PM

Great point OldOwl. Either in favor of or against there is always strength in numbers.

-- Posted by Scarpetta on Thu, Apr 8, 2010, at 4:18 PM

red dog

Perhaps we should have built a new school with all these generous donations. Its great to be the envy of other schools for having a nice stadium but it would also be nice if they were envious of a new school. And this is taking nothing away from the people that generously donated their time and money for this project. Thay did a fantastic job. I supported to the project myself.

And you shouldnt "assume" that I dont ask questions or attend meatings. I do ask questions....I do discuss issues w/ friends and people around town. And I really wasnt surprised that the bond didnt pass. Perhaps somebody should actually should listen to people around town. It doesnt have to be at a formal meeting. More things get talked about and decided over coffee (or even standing around in Wal-mart)than anywhere else. A person doesnt always have to talk...just listen and pay attention to what is said.

Im not the only person (after reading some of the other comments and listening around town) that felt a new school wasnt needed at this time. There seems to be other issues that need to be addressed before people want to sink money into a new school.

I really hope someday there is a newer and better school here. But some issues need to be straightened out before the people can trust and respect the people in charge. And that is only my opinion....And you know what they say about opinions-dont you?

-- Posted by mo_maxine on Thu, Apr 8, 2010, at 4:18 PM

The fact that Marshall's school bond issue failed cannot and should not be blamed on those who voted against it. The problem was with those people who were in favor of the bond issue, but did not vote.

-- Posted by OldOwl on Thu, Apr 8, 2010, at 4:12 PM

Thank you for clearing that up for me Eric.

-- Posted by Scarpetta on Thu, Apr 8, 2010, at 4:06 PM

Well MDN,

If you don't like my theory regarding the county commissioner firing people and removed my post then do your job. Find out why it was done (if you don't already know) and tell the public. The taxpayers of this county have a right to know what happened and why. Are you a newspaper or not?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Thu, Apr 8, 2010, at 3:52 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
We seek reliable sources for the information we publish, and it often takes more time to get information that way.

Ten years ago we could have built a K-6 builing for $16 million. Prices have doubled. So expect $40 million for a K-8 building.

-- Posted by mu-grad on Thu, Apr 8, 2010, at 3:45 PM

Taxedpayer, I thought the only reason we couldn't get more than $20 mill was because of the stimulus money. Was it just the stimulus package that limited the amount of money we could borrow? Or is it in general that all we can borrow is the $20 mill?

-- Posted by Scarpetta on Thu, Apr 8, 2010, at 3:43 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
No, the stimulus program was a separate issue. It would have reduced the amount of interest on the project, helping reduced the size of the debt service levy taxpayers would have faced. The debt capacity of the district is the same whether the district gets help elsewhere or not. It's based on a percentage of assessed property value in the district.

This is from the online policy manual:

The Board of Education has a limit of bonded indebtedness of 15 percent of the value of taxable tangible property as shown by the last completed assessment for state and county purposes.

(http://policy.msbanet.org/marshall/showpolicy.php?file=DC-C.1I)

Earlier, Missy08 said "I agree with the need for a new school. I think we should plan for K-8."

I like that idea, too, but I keep hearing that it's not possible because of the district's bonding capacity. Can't borrow enough to build more than one 3-grade school at a time, is the word.

But maybe there's a way that hasn't been thought of yet. I read the district can borrow about $20 million, so how would we go about building for 9 grades within that amount -- or how could we get more money?

I'll ponder. But I'd be interested in knowing whether anybody else has ideas about solving that problem.

-- Posted by taxedpayer on Thu, Apr 8, 2010, at 3:04 PM

Its just a lose / lose situation this week for teachers....now the government is cutting extra pay for the Career Ladders program. :(

-- Posted by ALM on Thu, Apr 8, 2010, at 1:58 PM

mo_maxine

you should get your facts straight about the sports complex at the high school. It would not be there if it wasn't for a lot of people who donated money, donated concrete and the pouring of said concrete, brought their tractors and graders to town, plus the countless hours donated by others to put up the football stadium. These people need a plaque in place at the sport complex saying that Marshall had their own version of Extreme Makeover. Marshall is the envy of every school that comes to use the complex and we have all those countless people to thank for their generosity.

If you want to know how the District spends money on maybe you should attend board meetings and ask questions. Dr. Noah says that he has an open door policy for questions from the public. If you think that tax money is being spent unwisely then you should speak up or for ever hold your peace. That goes for anyone out there that thinks that way. Don't just "assume" you know te answer. You know what assuming does to a person - don't you? I have asked question in the past, that is how I know about the sports complex and other things that were of interest or concern.

-- Posted by red dog on Thu, Apr 8, 2010, at 1:32 PM

missy,

I appreciate your point but when my reason for my vote is considered "scraped up" I'm gonna defend it. I wouldn't call it an attack.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Thu, Apr 8, 2010, at 11:43 AM

WTF,

Please don't attack Amy. She feels passionate about this and is understandably aggravated by the situation. She has put a lot of work into this issue.

I agree with the need for a new school. I think we should plan for K-8. I know that is a BIG goal, but.....

I did not vote in favor of the bond simply because of the current economic state of the US. We don't know yet how much the bailouts and the healthcare bill are going to cost us. No, it won't be "cheaper" next year but it might be more responsible to wait.

I do feel that the school district (read administration and board) have lost some support over the past few years with the lawsuits and the activities of the teachers/administration.

When the economy takes a turn (and hopefully it will soon), I will be right on that bandwagon with Amy!

Have a great day!

M

-- Posted by missy08 on Thu, Apr 8, 2010, at 11:26 AM

Amy,

I voted no because I don't think the current proposal will solve anything. I don't consider that reason being "scraped" up either. As a matter of fact I resent the implication.

Your demeaning tone and incessant brow beating towards those who voted no certainly won't change my mind and may cause me to dig in my heels even futher.

The schools do need to be addressed but apparently the majority of voters don't care for the current proposal.

Personally I feel that until we can actually address K-8 all at once then this will be a perpetual problem.

We should also be able to find a way to do it without having to rely on the crutch of how much federal funding is available.

I don't buy the sky is falling routine because under the current plan, precious children would still be forced to attend the "dangerous and falling down" schools. If they are in such bad shape then the city should condem them and move on.

Also, while a nice new high-tech Taj Mahal would be nice, as far as the kids are concerned and the newness wears off, it'll just be school to them.

I know of what I speak. I attended the first year of the new high school. As a student, the novelty wore off quickly and it was just school. Right now we should more concerend about "what" we are teaching our kids rather then "where" we are teaching our kids.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Thu, Apr 8, 2010, at 11:06 AM

Slater,

Regarding the Cornwell books -- She has gotten a little "wordy" for me. I enjoy a good mystery/thriller and I loved her characters. Note, I say "loved". Not sure what she was thinking when she started writing Benton as secretive/brooding and Marino as, well, what did she do to Marino?

Currently I am reading the "U" of Grafton (very good) and looking forward to Kellerman's "Deception".

The warmer days were great but this is another dirty trick. Cold this a.m. Frost in the morning? Missouri.............................

BUT, the sun is shining!!!

Have a great day!

M

-- Posted by missy08 on Thu, Apr 8, 2010, at 7:26 AM

Selmac8, your position on this baffles me. Here's a question: If you had to put a new roof and siding on your house, would you have enough in the bank to pay for it? I wouldn't. I bet most of us wouldn't. What we do is get a home improvement loan to pay for the work, protecting our investment in our homes.

When you say No NO NO NO to the school bond, you're saying the district has to fix its buildings *without* taking out a loan.

How?

If you were saying this to most homeowners, it would be like telling them if they want to fix their roof and side their houses, they have to stop buying food and clothing and turn off their utilities until they save enough money for improvements.

Where do you think the huge amount of money needed to fix our old schools is going to come from? What do you think students and teachers ought to give up? Do you advocate laying off teachers? Going to a 3 or 4 day school week?

What? Please say what your ideas are. We've already had some good ones posted.

-- Posted by taxedpayer on Thu, Apr 8, 2010, at 7:04 AM

The school bond issue will NEVER go away. Why? Because no matter what issues are scraped up as a reason to vote no, there is no escaping these facts:

1. The schools are old and overcrowded.

2. As long as the district has to pour money from the operating fund into keeping the buildings from falling down, there will be less money for basics like books and supplies.

How soon the issue is on the ballot again is more than I can predict but I can with certainty say that new schools will either be voluntary (the community finally passes it) or involuntary (like when the courts enforced it in Kansas City).

-- Posted by Amy Crump on Thu, Apr 8, 2010, at 6:59 AM

I have to agree with Yoga girl. I gave specific reasons why I voted not yesterday however the truth hurts so it was deleted. Did the school board ever think that maybe some of those reasons were why people are voting no? Everyone agrees there needs to be a new school however it's terribly hard to support something when so very many things are wrong already. I too heard the same comments over and over yesterday as to why it didn't pass. Like Yoga Girl said...people do not forget that easy and why should we have to explain all the wrong doing to our children. Sets a great example.

-- Posted by KW on Thu, Apr 8, 2010, at 5:11 AM

They need to stop "attempting" to buffalo this in, It has been voted down 5 times now, Stop wasting time trying to figure out how to get it to pass and start looking into ways to improve the current buildings. Christ how many times must the people of this town say "NO" before the school board understand. Maybe we do need new schools cause the education the members of the school board received didn't cover what NO means.

-- Posted by Selmac8 on Thu, Apr 8, 2010, at 2:49 AM

Missy, recently when we were on the subject of forensics, I intended to respond to your comment about Cornwell's later writings by saying I agree. After she went on that tangent to solve the Jack the Ripper question, it seems she's gotten a little weird, like she's on an out-of-body trip, or something.

Liking these warmer days, are you? :)

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, Apr 7, 2010, at 11:22 PM

I think people in this town want the best for our kids. We want new schools. We also want to not have to explain to our sixth grader things like domestic violence and drinking and driving because these are the activities some of the administrators and teachers in our schools are engaging in. I have friends who teach at other schools in the area and its astounding to them that this is allowed to go on without any seeming concern. If I heard this comment once at the counter at work today I heard it a a hundred times. "If the bond issue included getting rid of the dirt under the rug, it would have passed." It seems people don't forget things as easily as some would hope.

-- Posted by yogagirl on Wed, Apr 7, 2010, at 10:55 PM

Taxpayer said "The voters have spoken, and the message I hear is: We're too poor to take care of our schools"

I voted yes, because I know how badly new schools are needed here.

I hear that it was not what people really wanted.

Here are some of the reasons I heard people voted no or did not vote. Top of the list was: we need more than three grades why vote for this when in a few years they will come back asking for more because it wasn't enough. I have heard that a k-8 would have brought them to the polls.

I have heard that the economy is in such a state it is not the time.

Mostly, the vote tells the story not that many people really care about the school. Marshall's population is over 12,000 yet look at the combined totals of the votes. It is a sad day for our town when that few votes are cast.

-- Posted by litlmissme on Wed, Apr 7, 2010, at 7:41 PM

I thought you didn't like war news.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Apr 7, 2010, at 5:32 PM

Just speculating, Zeke. It appears that Steele is falling out favor with the RNC, which could lead to a somewhat softer approach (but I'd be shocked if so). They aren't blind to Obama's popularity, which has diminished to an extent, but remains pretty strong nonetheless.

As the saying goes, desperate times call for desperate measures, and the Republicans exhibit the characteristics of a body barely able to tread water.

The best immediate step it could take would be to purge those with the iron grip and begin engaging in honest bipartisanship.

At the same time the Democrats should stop acting so high and mighty and show a conciliatory side.

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, Apr 7, 2010, at 4:38 PM

watcha thinking slater?

zeke

-- Posted by zeke on Wed, Apr 7, 2010, at 3:29 PM

I have an idea the GOP may very well have a person of color as its presidential candidate in the next general election.

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, Apr 7, 2010, at 3:23 PM

News I am a little discouraged by your suggestion. Frankly any business owner in this town does not care about tax increases, from a business point of view. Why? Because they will just raise prices to cover that cost. The only one suffering that increase is the end user.

In addition the theory of boycotting a local business is the last thing this town needs. Coming from a person who actually lives here, without local business all we have is Walmart...no thanks.

-- Posted by Scarpetta on Wed, Apr 7, 2010, at 2:12 PM

Interesting....

"Black conservative tea party backers take heat"

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=...

M

-- Posted by missy08 on Wed, Apr 7, 2010, at 12:46 PM

STLgirlMarshallMom

As you may have gathered from previous postings, I am a Marshalite living in Australia and Independence, Missouri. So I don't have a dog in this race, sort to speak...however...I could not but help but be moved by your comment. You are obviously very concerned about this issue and I think rightly so.

Ok so you lost this battle, does that mean you have lost the war? The answer is simple...its not over yet...not by a long shot.

I recommend you become politically active. Find out which local politicians and businesspeople opposed this bond issue and declare war on them.

You will find that there are many others who agree with you...perhaps a majority. Use that majority to kick the politicians that opposed this to the curb in the next election and replace the with friendly politicians.

Start by learning everything there is to know about how the process works. Then contact other like-minded people and form an organization dedicated to winning this matter in the long-run.

You can get rid of your opposition's leadership fairly easily in terms of getting them out of office. Local elections are much easier to affect relative to state and federal elections if you and your organization are willing to work hard at it.

While you are doing that, go talk to some of the local businessmen that opposed it. Explain your position and let them know this is not over and you are working towards getting the bond issue up front in the political spectrum and that you won't rest until its reintroduced. Try to gently persuade them to join you. If the don't join you, don't tell them your next step. Just say thanks and leave.

Now at that point its time to get as many folks in Marshall to stop doing business with those opposition businesspeople as you can. Its not that hard. You can vilify them using their opposition to the bond issue relatively easily. Then start getting petitions signed by local residents. present these petitions to the opposition business people in a further effort to get them to see the light and join you.

If that fails, organize a boycott of the business owned by businesspeople who opposed the bond issue on the grounds that they are stifling education in Marshall. While it won't put them out of business, it will put a big hurtin' on their income and revenues -- revenues they need to pay their fixed and variable costs. Most will capitulate eventually.

Now that you have eliminated most if not all the opposition leadership...make sure the friendly politicians get busy re-introducing the bond issue and find a spokesman...some with a lot of political activist experience and who has a lot of experience in sales and public speaking.

Launch a major campaign with your organization, don't take no for an answer, and you will accomplish your goals...and have the satisfaction of having beaten those who tried to end educational opportuinties in marshall.

Try it. Don't let them beat you.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Apr 7, 2010, at 9:10 AM

What the f....I agree with your comment on voter turnout. Marshal isn't unique in low voter turnout, but it's a sad state of affairs when people do not vote, no matter what the subject.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Wed, Apr 7, 2010, at 8:44 AM

Well, all I can say is I am glad I only have one child young enough to be effected by the failed bond issue. And thank goodness we have already started talking about the possibility of home schooling him. Thanks again Marshall for adding another reason to my long list of reasons to get out of Dodge. If we don't go with home school after all, hopefully we can be in a better district by school time for my youngest.

And to answer some question I recall seeing from last night: I am employed but am the only adult in our 4 family household who is, we rent but pay double what we would by owning and would love to buy a home so we could maybe have better luck making ends meet and do better maintaining our home then is done with our rental. And even with hoping to buy I still voted yes.

-- Posted by STLgirlMarshallMom on Wed, Apr 7, 2010, at 7:17 AM

rr3yv0

What names did I call you? Neocon? its short for neoconservative...which describes your political beliefs to a Tee -- that is not name calling...that is political identification.

As to Why Bush has not yet been put on trial (a former President can be put on trial for crimes committed while in office after he or she is no longer in office...USA V Nixon, 1974)...that is easy..Obama ruled it out. As to his reasons...well you might want to check with him on that. I say lets put it to a grand jury and see if they think there is enough evidence to send it to trial. Then let both sides present their evidence to the trial jury and let the chips fall where they will. I think he would be convicted in short order. But as it is, it looks like neither Bush or the American people will get their day in court. That is not justice...that is politics.

As to those of us who are liberal...we haven't been in power in many many years. Most Democrats and Republicans are conservatives and members of the Unitarian Fascist Party. If we liberals were in Power, people would be working instead of being unemployed, medical care would be at no direct cost to the patient and paid out of taxes, and we would be at peace instead of having 2 major police actions going on.

As to why I don't follow your suggestion that I solve the World's problems...well there are a lot of reasons but my favorite is this...I don't take my marching orders from you neocon.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Apr 7, 2010, at 6:52 AM

The voters have spoken, and the message I hear is: We're too poor to take care of our schools.

I can understand that. I once had a friend urge me to buy shares in a company that was about to take off. Just a couple hundred shares and I'd be sitting pretty. He was right. I could have made some money, but I didn't have any money to invest. It takes money to make money, they say...

We'll make do. But I worry about the direction we're heading. If we're too poor to take care of our schools, the momentum of decay increases.

That's a bad direction to be going.

-- Posted by taxedpayer on Wed, Apr 7, 2010, at 6:14 AM

news I wish you would travel the globe and fix all these problems since you seem to be the only one with the answers. You would be famous.

If all you facts were true then someone would be charged with war crimes. There are only 2 reasons you liberals have not brought Bush and Cheney up on war crimes:1)Not enough evidence or 2)what you say is fact is not. Has Bush spent money to stay out of court? How much has Obama spent to keep his birth certificate under wraps? Seems that everything you libs accuse us of you are guilty of. News you can call me names if that makes you feel better because I know where I stand with the eternal God. Do you? I read the end of the book and we win.

Proud to be a conservative Christian American.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Apr 7, 2010, at 6:08 AM

Maybe the most telling aspect of the school bond vote is the disturbingly low number of people who actually showed up at the polls.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Apr 7, 2010, at 5:40 AM

Cosa Nostra

After reading you last comment regarding Ms Crump, I had to rush read her comment to see what you implied she is freaking out about.

I was all ready to read a hyperactive, freaked out rant that would not make any sense -- I was really ready for that, but that isn't what I read at all.

Instead of her freaking out, as you implied, what I read was a well thought out, calm response and rational opinion.

I see now you were merely launching a thinly veiled, personal attack on Ms Crump because you can't attack her argument.

Perhaps its you who needs to take your meds mate.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Apr 7, 2010, at 1:32 AM

"Ex-U.N. envoy: Karzai may have drug problem

Peter Galbraith questions Afghan leader's mental stability"

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36196464/ns/...

Yeah folks...this is the kind of "freedom" Bush and the neocons gave to the Afghan people...I am sure they really appreciate Bush and the neocons setting up a puppet government and putting this guy in charge of their country.

I am sure the Afghan people include Bush and the neocons in their daily prayers in gratitude for the neocons murdering their loved ones...innocent civilians killed by "accident"...as if calling it an accident makes it ok.

Yeah I am sure they are just loving that freedom...NOT!

and yet another good reason...

THE PARTY OF NO! HAS GOT TO GO!

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Apr 7, 2010, at 1:15 AM

rr3yv0

I prefer to rely on empirical data and known facts.

I really don't have any emotion regarding many issues.

I just look at the facts, do the math, and see what I get.

All I get from your posts is that you ignore facts and empirical evidence, qualified opinion, and history. That is your prerogative...but please don't expect the rest of us to wear conservative blinders in our perception of the World.

Facts are facts and the facts of the anti-American policies and positions of conservatives are there for all to see.

The fact is that conservatives lied to us, collapsed our economy while making themselves and their rich masters richer, tortured people...including children (see Canadian minor who is still be held at gitmo for more on this) at Gitmo and in the United States -- specifically the military prison in South Carolina (see American citizen Jose Padillia for more on this), made our Nation the laughing stock of the World, gave us 2 police actions designed to make Big Oil richer and paid for with the blood of our children, committed genocide in Iraq (the UN estimates over 1 million Iraqi civilians died as a direct result of attacks by us, and the Iraqi Gov says 55% of those innocent civilians were women and children -- i million innocent people -- that is genocide) -- and never bothered to finish the job and passed them on to the next administration.

Now you neocons are busy obstructing the bills we the majority support...a very anti-democratic position -- breaking our laws, and thumbing your noses at our cherished traditions.

Yeah you say you neocons are not anti-American....well so say you...so say your words...but your actions say just the opposite.

Facts are facts mate...and the facts are there for everyone to see.

As a result, you had massive losses in the last 2 elections and are facing further massive losses in the election this year...and rightly so.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Apr 7, 2010, at 1:04 AM

DITTO NANADOT

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Tue, Apr 6, 2010, at 11:15 PM

sorry news you just don't get it. Proving my point again and again.

Thanks mate

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Tue, Apr 6, 2010, at 10:43 PM

Im not one to post a comment but here goes....Im glad the bond didnt pass. Perhaps if we had worried more about the schools, instead of building tennis courts or football fields, things might have turned out different. We should have been more interested in education which involves a place for the children to learn. We were busy building up our athletic department while my children were here going to school. My grandaughter, for 3 different years, has had to share books because there wasnt enough books for everyone.

My greatest hope is that the grandchildren I have living here will leave because there isnt much here to offer a young person. Good jobs arent easily found and most jobs dont pay enough to hardly live paycheck to paycheck let alone get ahead. This is the reason my husband has worked out of town for 30 years. We stayed here for family reasons but I want my family to move on.

And, of course, alot depends on who you know. This is true in most small towns...I realize that but it doesnt make it right. It seems like the same people that runs the town also ran the school. Go thru some past yearbooks....same people....different generations. And the tradition continues..unless the younger generation leaves town...which I think is happening more all the time. The town is gaining new people but losing the old...by old I mean the 18-30 age group...the ones that want more than Marshall can offer.

Im sure people will jump up and say that none of this is true. That person is probably at the top of the mountain. And no I didnt have a bad time growing up here. I loved growing up here but Marshall isnt what it used to be unfortunately.

I know I would have voted for the bond but I cant see how school money has been spent wisely in the past. I have voiced my opinion and Im sure somebody will disagree and jump up on their soapbox which is fine. Because my son (who luckily left town).... was told at this high school that he wouldnt do to well in college and should plan on a blue collar job...is in national security and is protecting my right (and yours) to speak my peace.

-- Posted by mo_maxine on Tue, Apr 6, 2010, at 10:33 PM

well folks congratulations again Marshall was the winner again in failing to vote for a school bond, while Columbia, Fulton, and others passed theres and can begin to build for the future. It is time people in this town start to look at our town, it is going down down down, no new business's no new schools, same old stuff everyday, this is why people are moving out of Marshall and shopping outside of town also. Watch out Marshall the towns around you are growing and prospering while Marshall stays in its same old rut that we have to live with, I love this town but it is in bad shape we need to me more proactive in getting this town alive and kicking again, where are the new business's, it is like this down just stopped growing and caring, cmon Marshall lets get it together before we become a ghost town. I'm tired of having to drive to Sedalia, Columbia or Kansas City to get what I need and I get a little tired of WalMart, nothing new going on there same ol stuff also, and eating in this town is sad all we have is an Applebees and Bloomfields to go and have a nice sit down meal. I hope the city leaders hear this call, it is time to take some action and get this city jump started and going again, we are to stagnant. One more note when the schools start crumbling around your kids (and they will) don't turn around and sue the school board because we don't care about the safety of our kids and teachers.

-- Posted by froom on Tue, Apr 6, 2010, at 10:21 PM

It would be interesting to know of those who voted for and against the bond, how many were employed, unemployed or in my case under employed.

That could make a real difference.

I'm also not sure if Hi-Tech Taj Mahals are the answer to education either. Maybe this could be a good thing and force us to get back to basics.

Reading, Writing and Arithmetics. Fair play and respect for elders. Maybe go back to neighborhood schools the way they were designed to be.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Tue, Apr 6, 2010, at 9:59 PM

rr3yv0

1.) Yes judging by the empirical evidence capitalism does not work and is a failed economic system.

Any economic system that does not work for all the members of a society is a failed economic system...and the USA has an enormous number of people who live below the poverty level.

In addition, any economic system that has wild swings from boom to bust every 5 years is a very troubled economic system, and yes as an economist I know there are better economic models we could be using.

2.) Yes I believe the empirical evidence demonstrates that indeed conservatives are anti-American.

3.) Our troops are not in Afghanistan and Iraq fighting for our freedom. They are in Iraq as an occupation force so that Big Oil will have control of Iraqi oil...and our entry into that police action was based entirely on a lie by leaders of the Republican Party...we have the memos mate.

We are in Afghanistan to insure completion of the oil pipeline through that country for the benefit of the Israelis and Big Oil.

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLE...

Congress has never declared war on either country. We are engaged in police actions in both those countries...in order to serve the interests of Big Oil and Big Oil only. That is why the Republicans lied us into the Iraqi police action in the first place. Neither Afghanistan or Iraq ever attacked the United States. Neither country was ever a direct threat to our National security, and neither was capable of attacking us.

4.) I live in both the United States and Australia. In addition, we Americans do not surrender our full rights as citizens just because we also happen to have a residence in another country. I am an equal American citizen to you...nor more..not less...exactly equal.

5.) The Law of Big Bang is well established by the evidence. I recommend you take your argument to Dr. Stephen Hawking and other physicists and explain to them how they are wrong.

6.) I never said I think your insurance premiums would go down...I have said many times I believe they will go way up. I only support fully socialized medicine and no other plan.

7.) You are incorrect regarding Government policy creating wealth. The empirical evidence says you are completely wrong. In addition, the Federal Spending Multiplier is a far greater tool to creating national wealth than is the tax multiplier. In fact, for neoclassical economics to work, one must be able to have 2 Y's for one X on the Cartesian Coordinate system to work and that is mathematically impossible.

8.) The last time undocumented alien workers got massive amnesty was under your boy Reagan.

Well I could go on with comments regarding you long rant of repetitive speculation on a variety of issues -- speculation that is refuted by the factual evidence -- but frankly I think it would be a waste of my time and effort.

Have a great day mate!

Its another wonderful sunny day in Australia...

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Apr 6, 2010, at 9:57 PM

hdd I believe mofireman would save you even if your house was on fire your comments are unwarranted.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Tue, Apr 6, 2010, at 9:51 PM

hickie dickie doc, dont be afraid of my hose, but grow up!

-- Posted by mofireman on Tue, Apr 6, 2010, at 9:37 PM

Don't look now but we have a troll. Be afraid, be vewy vewy afraid.

Hickory -- go prowl some other blog for a while.

Amy Crump

-- Posted by Amy Crump on Tue, Apr 6, 2010, at 9:37 PM

I cant understand the bond issue and the problem the people of marshall have with it? This was our last chance to obtain stimulas money to help build the school. I really dont know when it will ever be on the ballot again but, What happens when the school district takes the building issue to court and a judge says to build it, Well they will build it and then for all of you that voted no and yes, just see what our taxes will be then! and another thing all of you people that hide behind your screen names, once put your real name and step up to the plate,

ed harper

-- Posted by mofireman on Tue, Apr 6, 2010, at 9:23 PM

That last sentence in the first paragraph should have read "won't stop the buildings from crumbling."

-- Posted by Amy Crump on Tue, Apr 6, 2010, at 9:22 PM

Owl1234,

Could you please explain where you got the idea that the buildings weren't being maintained? Money has been poured into those buildings in a never-ending stream! Just because a building was built 100 years ago doesn't mean that it was designed to last past it's structural lifetime. And it doesn't mean that it was designed to hold almost double the number of students! Sentiment won't keep the buildings from crumbing.

Even if you disagree with that, the following facts still remain:

1. It is cheaper to build a new school than to renovate the old ones (more money poured down the drain).

2. A bond STILL has to be passed to renovate the existing buildings.

3. The school district has now lost out on low-interest bonds that were available this year only. Next time the bond is attempted to build a new school, it will cost MORE money!!!

Amy Crump

-- Posted by Amy Crump on Tue, Apr 6, 2010, at 9:21 PM

Although my children are at an age they will not benefit from new elementary school, I feel it is unfortunate that the people of the city of Marshall cannot pull together for the sake of their children and grandchildren. Schools make an important impression on newcomers or prospective newcomers to our community. If education is not a priority of the people, then what should be a priority? Newer, modern schools will help the education of our children so they can be able to compete in a world that is growing and expanding a such a fast rate.

We have to be able to compete with other cities, states, and countries. Education is one of the most important things we can give our children. They have no future without it. Modern school buildings would take education into the twenty-first century. We have to be able to bring technology into the classroom in the earlier years when children are more receptive to learning.

I have always voted for the bond issue, and will continue to do so.

-- Posted by cooahla on Tue, Apr 6, 2010, at 9:15 PM

boy news you really got to let it go. the current Obama regime has done more damage to this country in one year than any other administration did in 8.

Your an economist that thinks capitalism doesn't work.

You claim conservatives are anti-American but you attack our men and women fighting to protect our freedoms at the direction of our congress the President cannot declare war.

You live in Australia and proclaim that you are glad you don't HAVE to live here.

You proclaim to believe in a God that is a summation of the laws of physics but you believe in a big bang that doesn't obey the first or second laws of thermodynamics and is mathematically impossible.

You think our insurance premiums will go down because congress passed welfare reform I don't think so our health insurance is in the shape its in now because of government programs and not enforcing immigration laws. Most of those people have free health care already.

Government does not create wealth they can only destroy it because the government cannot give anyone anything unless they take it from somebody.

We currently have a government that have taken over the banks and car companies and is currently trying to put Toyota out of business to eliminate competition.

The very people that got us in this mess are in charge of getting us out.

Coming next is amnesty for all illegal aliens that are in this country so they can count on a few million extra votes for November.

As much as you would like to believe conservative policies did not put us in this mess. You need to look at the liberal policies that have been shoved down our throats for the last year against the will of the people and look at what we have. Near 10% unemployment and no hope in sight no jobs either. A stimulus that didn't stimulate anything just made things worse. An administration fighting over health care and not caring about people out of work. Attacking the rich and nobody in the media points out how rich the people are attacking the rich. This is not Bush or Cheney's fault Obama has to take ownership of his own failed policies.

Liberal policies always have the opposite result of their stated intent.

Our government the more you give them the more they want but the less you give them the more they want to give you. Called entitlements you have to take from a producer to give to a non-producer.

You don't believe in a creator but you believe all the links you post as gospel and don't tell me they are backed by fact because you cannot possibly have all the facts no more than I can because neither one of us was there to witness it.

We both have different ideas and different beliefs but that doesn't make me or you anti-American it makes us American. This country was founded because a people didn't like government telling them what to do. What they are doing now is unconstitutional but you liberals don't seem to care about the constitution. We need a limited government not a controlling one.

You believe that the government is going to give back the money you paid into SS that is only if you live long enough and they don't give you an IOU. This year SS will run a 29 billion dollar deficit and the money is not there it is in the form of IOU's but not to worry they are back by the federal government. I'm not buying it I make a better return on my money in my checking account. There is not enough paying into SS now to sustain it but you think they can run health care.

Just remember no matter what you believe or say Jesus still loves you.

Still a proud conservative Christian American.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Tue, Apr 6, 2010, at 9:11 PM

IN FIVE YEARS WHEN THESE OLD SCHOOLS ARE FALLING IN ON THE CHILDRENS HEADS, I WOULD LOVE TO BE AROUND TO SEE THE SMIRKS WIPED OFF YOUR FACES, AND HEAR THE COMMENTS THEN WHEN YOU HAVE TO PAY HIGHER TAXES TO BUILD NEW SCHOOLS.

AND YES I WOULD TAKE A CUT IN MY SOCIAL SECURITY TO SEE IT PASSED NOW, THATS HOW BAD I KNOW WE NEED NEW SCHOOLS.BUT I WASN'T ASKED SHAME ON THE GOVERMENT

IF SUMMER SCHOOL HAD NOT OF BEEN CANCELED THE BOND WOULD OF PASSED. SHAME ON OUR TOWN FOR LETTING THE GOVERMENT DO THIS YA RIGHT!!!

YOU CAN COME UP WITH ALOY OF EXCUSES BUT IT'S SHAME ON OUR TOWN, NO WONDER NO ONE WANTS TO MOVE TO A TOWM LIKE MARSHALL, IF I WASN'T AT THE END OF MY LIFE I WOULD MOVE OUT, YOU KNOW THAT ISN'T A BAD IDEA MAYBE I COULD DIE IN A TOWN I WAS PROUD OF YES INDEED THATS A GOOD IDEA

-- Posted by buttons on Tue, Apr 6, 2010, at 9:08 PM

Missy, from what I understand this new place is owned by the same person that owns El Espelon (sp?) in Sedalia. I like that place so I should enjoy this place.

Night Sky, I think it's Mexico Lindo. Don't quote me on that though. It sits at the end of Boyd street on the corner by that laundry place.

-- Posted by Scarpetta on Tue, Apr 6, 2010, at 9:04 PM

Of course I am deeply saddened by the fact that the younger generations of Marshall will be unable to attend class in a brand new school. Most importantly, I am saddened by the lack of opportunity to combine grades with the failure of the bond issue.

However, I feel Marshall Public Schools failed its students and the community long ago when they tore down the sentimental connections students and parents develop to a particular building. A perfect example of the potential opportunities when a district rallies as a community around an old school building. This year, the Horace Mann Elementary school is celebrating its 98th anniversary. (http://www.sedaliademocrat.com/news/school-23057-horace-community.html) Perhaps if Marshall would have taken care of some preventative maintenance these past several years, the school district would not have to offer solutions that include razing such a beautiful building as Eastwood.

-- Posted by Owl12345 on Tue, Apr 6, 2010, at 8:58 PM

HickoryDickoryDock

As you know I have not weighed in on the bond issue. Its a local issue and I have no opinion either way on it.

However...about your suggestion regarding Social Security...I don't know what deal you signed on for, but the deal I signed on for was that I would get back the money I have paid in to SS over my lifetime.

Do as you will, but make sure before you folks go messing with SS that you give me back all my money first as was agreed upon.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Apr 6, 2010, at 8:50 PM

well looks like the school bond has failed again, what a shame. I understand both sides, people are afraid to go forward with all the cutbacks and decrease in funding for the schools. I guess its time to just do some patchworks on the schools to keep them going for another 5 years or more till they fall down. It's a shame that a town like Marshall can't get some new schools, soon and very soon the High School will need to be replaced as it is almost 35 years old. Until the state funding issue is fixed and we can stop the cutbacks in our schools let's just work with what we have. I just want to ask the people who still are keeping silent tell the board and town what you want, without your help we can't move forward and maybe then we can get what the citizens want.

-- Posted by froom on Tue, Apr 6, 2010, at 8:49 PM

Congratulations, Marshall. You have now painted yourself into a corner where the next bond issue will be for $25 or $30 million for 2 grades. It won't be long before the bonding capacity is less than it costs to build a new school.

Did you all not catch the fact that not only will renovating the old buildings cost more but that it STILL has to have a bond to do that? It's not like the school district has that money laying around waiting for the bond to be defeated and then they can say, "Oh well, guess we'll just have to use this $20 million we have over here in a pile."

What a fiasco!

Amy Crump

-- Posted by Amy Crump on Tue, Apr 6, 2010, at 8:43 PM

Point made.

-- Posted by Bcat on Tue, Apr 6, 2010, at 7:37 PM

Air Force Wife

I would remind you that neither Afghanistan or Iraq attacked us on 9/11.

None of the attackers were Afgan or Iraqi. If you want to attack the folks responsible, I recommend you consider attacking Saudi Arabia..or better yet...Bush and Cheney.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Apr 6, 2010, at 7:34 PM

Air Force Wife

War crimes such as the ones we have and continue to commit in Iraq and Afghanistan are prohibited by the Geneva Conventions and by Title 18, Part 1, Chapter 118 of Federal Acts.

No person and no Nation is above the law.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Apr 6, 2010, at 7:31 PM

rr3yv0

The anti-American policies and practices of the conservatives is well documented over the 8 years of the Bush regime and by their current and past obstructionism.

See my previous posts regarding conservative anti-Americanism in the archives for the links please.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Apr 6, 2010, at 7:29 PM

yea i know bcat you make a very good point but some down under don't know that.

The Obama regime has got to go, to be defeated by the party of NO!

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Tue, Apr 6, 2010, at 7:28 PM

Where's the new restaurant and what's the name?

-- Posted by Night Sky on Tue, Apr 6, 2010, at 7:16 PM

rry3yvo,

If you're waiting for the midstream media to report on violent actions of left wing loons, such as burning our President (Bush) in effigy, don't hold your breath. That double standard is still alive and well.

-- Posted by Bcat on Tue, Apr 6, 2010, at 7:13 PM

Will someone please explain to me how a person with three prior convictions for driving without a valid drivers license and one conviction for driving on a suspended license and is illegal can post a cash only bond of $5000. Also the individual is facing current charges for driving while intoxicated? Why is this person not in jail and why hasn't this person been deported?

-- Posted by wizzer on Tue, Apr 6, 2010, at 7:01 PM

Scarpetta,

I haven't tried it (didn't even know it had opened) but a friend just told me it was very good.

Let us know....

M

-- Posted by missy08 on Tue, Apr 6, 2010, at 6:19 PM

I was wondering if any fellow posters have tried the new Mexican place?

-- Posted by Scarpetta on Tue, Apr 6, 2010, at 5:59 PM

I don't know of any conservative anti-American groups news except by your definition. Your post sound anti-American. I guess liberals never commit any violence I guess you missed those stories. Oh I forgot our drive-by media (raw story) forgot to report on it. I expected better of you.

Proud to be conservative and LIVE in America

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Tue, Apr 6, 2010, at 5:58 PM

news posted:

Video shows U.S. firing on civilians in Iraq"

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36182383/ns/...

"NATO admits Afghan civilians killed"

http://afghanistan.blogs.cnn.com/2010/04...

"NATO admits killing Afghan women in bungled raid"

FYI - there is a war going on. Sometimes inocent people die especally when you're at war with people who hide behind women and children. Reports such as this give our guys who are fighting for their lives and ours a bad rap and put them in more danger. Mistakes happen. Just remember that the thousands killed on 9-11 were inocent too and that was NO accident.

-- Posted by Air Force Wife on Tue, Apr 6, 2010, at 4:09 PM

I just wanted to remind all to VOTE VOTE VOTE today!!!!!!!!!!!!

Polls are open until 7pm

-- Posted by workingmom on Tue, Apr 6, 2010, at 3:45 PM

Yes...I believe that is what we call a super-majority...and still a majority.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Apr 6, 2010, at 11:15 AM

On the school bond issue, I believe it is not a simple majority but 57%. If I am wrong, please correct me.

Storms are approaching.....

M

-- Posted by missy08 on Tue, Apr 6, 2010, at 10:24 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
You are correct.

HickoryDickoryDock

Yep mate, that is how democracy works -- the majority decides.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Apr 6, 2010, at 9:03 AM

rr3yv0

I actually live there too.

I have homes in both countries...

...and I vote in every election both in Missouri and in Australia...

..oh and if you are proud of being part of an anti-American group...that is up to you. Its no sweat off my back mate.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Apr 6, 2010, at 7:48 AM

Sorry, WTF. I think you got it wrong. The campaign committee said it was going to contact voters personally, urging them to get to the polls. Doesn't sound like they want a low turnout.

Personally, I hope we have a huge turnout. Whatever the result, that would be great news.

-- Posted by taxedpayer on Tue, Apr 6, 2010, at 6:32 AM

Looks like this has become the news across blog. I wonder how much more ridiculous the rants can get. This coming from someone who wants to slam Christians for hating homosexuals. Sounds a bit hypocritical. You can call me and all the conservatives all the names you want it doesn't hurt.

God bless you news from a proud conservative American. By the way I actually live here.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Tue, Apr 6, 2010, at 6:15 AM

Today is the day they will try and sneak this school bond past us. They've been very quiet for a reason. They are counting on voter apathy.

Get out and VOTE NO!

-- Posted by What the f...... on Tue, Apr 6, 2010, at 5:57 AM

"Updated: Gun rallies planned for OKC bombing anniversary"

http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0405/progun-...

"Oath Keepers and the Age of Treason"

http://motherjones.com/politics/2010/03/...

Yep friends and neighbors...these conservatives are now celebrating a terrorist attack on American soil. What does that tell you about conservative ideology?

I am sure it won't be long before Fox News, the propaganda wing of the Republican Party, will be telling us "oh those are just a few extremists...they don't represent conservatives." Don't be conned by their empty excuses. There is not excuse for celebrating terrorist attacks on the USA.

How long will we tolerate conservatism in our Country? When are we going to put a stop to their anti-American activities? When will we finally say NO to those who collapsed our economy and made us one of the most despised nations in the World?

We have an election in November folks...vote only for Liberal candidates and lets finally put an end to conservative anti-Americanism.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Apr 6, 2010, at 4:24 AM

"Tea Party leader: 'Obama a Muslim because he takes his shoes off"

http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0405/tea-par...

Gee...it seems like I have heard that "Obama is a Muslim" thing before...hmmm...now where was it?...hmmm..

Oh yeah! That is what the supporters of McCain and Palin were saying...

Same folks are saying it now too...only now they are doing so under a Teabagging banner.

Teabaggers...the name has changed from Republican but they still believe in all the same wrong ideas as they did before. The name has changed, but their game is the same.

...and yet another good reason...

THE PARTY OF NO! HAS GOT TO GO!!

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Apr 6, 2010, at 4:11 AM

rr3yv0

Most, if not all, the doom and gloom came from 8 years of conservative rule.

...another good reason why...

...THE PARTY OF NO! HAS GOT TO GO!!

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Apr 6, 2010, at 12:12 AM

Bcat

The Teabaggers are primarily the ultra-right, conservative wing of the Republican Party. Judging by the speeches their leaders have made, the signs they carry, the racist sentiments many, many of their members and leaders have expressed, they are clearly racist, homophobic, opposed to civil rights, hate equal health care access for all, think the largest tax-cut in history was a tax increase, believe that medicare is a private company, think our President is foreign born, think our President is a Muslim and are very, very conservative (and obviously very confused).

They are the same folks who voted Bush into power the second time around (he was selected as President by his party members on the Supreme Court the first time around). Of course they simply called themselves Republicans then. They are the same folks that supported Palin (and still do) and the same folks that voted for McCain.

For more on my opinion of who they are, please go to the archives where I did an extensive essay on who the Teabaggers are with lots of fully qualified links where you can hear and read their own words which confirm my opinion of who they are.

If it walks like neocon and it talks like a neocon...it probably is a neocon.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Apr 6, 2010, at 12:10 AM

News

You seem to be someone who likes to paint with a broad brush. Perhaps you could explain why you refer to those involved in the Tea Party Movement as "Teabaggers". While your at it, why don't you give us your definition of a Teabagger.

-- Posted by Bcat on Mon, Apr 5, 2010, at 10:59 PM

tired of all the doom and gloom

Bill Cosby for President

http://www.rightontheright.com/blog/ben-...

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Mon, Apr 5, 2010, at 10:56 PM

"How the banks 'looted Main Street'"

"How the nation's biggest banks are ripping off American cities with the same predatory deals that brought down Greece"

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/sto...

How long will we tolerate Big Banking and their conservative running-dog lackeys destroying our economy and our Nation?

We have an election coming up folks. Let's kick more conservative politicians to the curb the same way we did in 2006 and 2008 -- with our vote.

If we don't, things are only going to get much worse.

Remember folks, the rich could not care less about you. Let's send them a message in November. Let's boot the Republicans and the conservative Democrats who only work for the rich fat-cat, conservative corporatists...let's take back our Nation from those who would be happy to see a return to wage-slavery.

In November vote for liberal candidates only and we will finally have people in Congress who work for us instead of rich, conservative, fat-cats!

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Apr 5, 2010, at 9:49 PM

"Explosions near U.S. Consulate in Peshawar kill at least 8"

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/04...

"Video shows U.S. firing on civilians in Iraq"

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36182383/ns/...

"NATO admits Afghan civilians killed"

http://afghanistan.blogs.cnn.com/2010/04...

"NATO admits killing Afghan women in bungled raid"

http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0405/nato-ad...

"Army Accused of 'Video Game' Killings"

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/04/...

SENATORS...END THESE WAR CRIMES NOW!!

SENATORS...END ALL THESE FOREIGN WARS AND BRING OUR TROOPS HOME NOW!!!

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Apr 5, 2010, at 8:29 PM

Yes Eric,

Unsubstantiated claims and rumors can do a newspaper in real quick.

Libel and slander are torts, so of course you should be concerned. A newspaper reporter's first obligation is to the truth which requires substantial verification and evidence, and a newspaper should never be used as a smearing tool by partisan political forces.

Good on ya mate!

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Apr 5, 2010, at 7:34 PM

'Video allegedly shows US forces killing two reporters and six other"

Includes video

http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0405/video-s...

SENATORS, END THESE WARS NOW!!!

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Apr 5, 2010, at 7:23 PM

A couple of people have made comments in the past couple of days that have included claims about candidates in tomorrow's election -- claims that we can't easily verify, especially in the time remaining before the election.

I've deleted those comments, and I will continue to do so. It's quite possible the claims made are true. It's also quite possible the people posting are simply trying to damage the candidate's reputation and chances to be elected with untrue or misleading information.

I don't have any reliable way to know which it is. Under the cover of anonymity, it's easy to do either without having to face any consequences.

-- Posted by Eric Crump on Mon, Apr 5, 2010, at 7:11 PM

Thanks Eric,

I think you did the right thing removing the post. It could have been slanderous.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Mon, Apr 5, 2010, at 12:34 PM

Is that fact or gossip? Can the MDN confirm your claims?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Mon, Apr 5, 2010, at 11:56 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
I checked casenet and could find no evidence to support the claim.

Thank you news

You prove my point everyday we can read you like a book

Proud conservative American

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Mon, Apr 5, 2010, at 7:17 AM

Oh I don't just blame Bush...he was just following standard conservative policies.

No friend, I blame all conservatives who adhere to the same political philosophies and most of whom belong to the same party as Bush.

After all, Bush could never have broken our traditions and laws by himself. That kind of tyranny required an entire political machine...the Republican Party.

As to President Obama...I think it unfortunate that he decided to govern from the center-right. I am a liberal...a proud Liberal American Citizen...and I only support socialized medicine based largely on my long, personal experience living in a nation that does have socialized medicine. So my position regarding the Democrats ultra-watered down version of a health access bill that recently passed is this -- ok that is a good start...now lets extend no-cost medicare to all citizens and lawful alien residents.

Frankly, I wish Obama would have stuck with his base and governed from the left, but he didn't...but unlike Bush and the conservatives who continually demonstrate their anti-Americanism...at least President Obama is PRO-AMERICAN

...and yet another reason why...

THE PARTY OF NO! HAS GOT TO GO!!

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Apr 5, 2010, at 7:04 AM

Top 10 Reasons Obamacare is a Disaster

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?i...

understand who we are up against

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?i...

Proud conservative American citizen

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Mon, Apr 5, 2010, at 6:30 AM

when are you going to quite blaming Bush and let Obama take ownership of what is going on today. All Obama has done since taking office is pass a bill nobody wants and blame Bush. Are you and Obama kin to each other?

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Mon, Apr 5, 2010, at 6:01 AM

rr3yv0

The facts of the policies and wrong-doings of the conservatives during the Bush Administration are a matter of record. They are not arguments.

The only argument I make is that when a party and its constituents support policies the result in reduced liberties...as we saw under Bush and the conservatives..., a crashed economy, and policies that violate our collective American traditions -- such as conservative sponsored torture -- that group and its party, specifically the conservatives and the Republican/Teabagger Party, are engaged in policies that are in fact anti-American both in results and with intent.

When Bush lied us into war...when Bush stated to a joint session of Congress...that "...a mushroom cloud could appear on our horizon at any moment...," in reference to Iraq's alleged nuclear weapons, he was violating our traditions, our laws, and our traditional belief in honesty and fair play, as well as violating our, the American People, trust.

He knew from intelligence reports prior to giving the speech that the weapon he alleged in his speech to be on the verge of exploding over the United States -- did not exist -- He was, in fact, intentionaly lying in order to make Big Oil, rich, conservative fat-cats richer even though his then hidden agenda was contrary to the best interests of the People of the United States of America and even though the only beneficiaries of these war costs were his rich pals in Big Oil. He and his corporatist agenda resulted in the deaths of thousands of Americans -- out kids -- and directly resulted in the deaths of over 1 million Iraqi civilians...55% of which the Iraqi Government estimates to have been women and children.

Even today the conservatives continue to stand in the way of the Peoples' business, and when they do vote, they tend to vote against the American people...such as every single Republican in Congress vote NO on the largest tax-cut in American history or every single Republican in Congress voting NO on a bill that would help protect Americans from the vicious tactics of Big Insurance.

I don't expect conservatives to take responsibility for their behaviors -- they never have. That would be asking of them something which they simply have no capacity for. I don't expect conservatives to admit they want America to fail -- though many Republican leaders have said as much. Charles Manson says he never killed anybody and is thus not guilty of murder -- but who would expect the criminal to admit his crimes. So...yeah...I am not surprised you claim conservatives aren't anti-American...

...but the historical facts say otherwise...

...and yet another reason...

...THE PARTY OF NO! HAS GOT TO GO!!

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Apr 5, 2010, at 12:11 AM

boy here we go again you can do better then that news we have heard this argument before. Surely a man of many degrees can do better than that. I can play the blame game that's easy. Proud to be a conservative American citizen.

Hope you had a Happy Easter!

Jesus Christ has risen.

He has risen indeed.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sun, Apr 4, 2010, at 10:37 PM

rr3yv0

I disagree.

First off, I am an American citizen -- that can never be taken from me nor have I ever given it up nor will I...see 14th Amendment to our Constitution for more on this. So I recommend you get used to it...or not...either way I am a full, natural born, American citizen and there is nothing you can do to change that.

In addition, we have only to look to the Bush years when the Republicans controlled all 3 branches of Government to see the conservative anti-American polices. Take for example the Patriot Act which attacks and limits our civil liberties for example. Then there is the Republican/Conservative practice of lying to Congress, lying to the American People...and lying us into a war so that conservative pals in Big Oil could turn a nice profit at the expense of over 4000 American lives and over 1 million innocent Iraqi civilization lives. And lets not forget how the Republicans/conservatives imposed torture as a standard practice in America...then lied about it. That seemed pretty anti-American to me. Then of course there is the crashing of our economy...so conservatives in Big Banking and Big Insurance could turn a nice profit...at the expense of the future of middle-class and poor children's futures.

The list of conservative, anti-American policies of the Republican Party goes on and on.

Its odd how you conservatives think we can't remember the Bush years and the anti-Americanism of conservatives in Congress and the White House when they were firmly in control.

I have news for you...we remember and we will be reminding those who have forgotten conservative atrocities as we get closer to the election.

Finally, its easy to see that with a record number of filibusters, vows on the part of prominent Republican leaders to ensure America fails (Rush Limbaugh, Sara Palin, et al) that conservatives in both the main stream Republican Party and the ultra-right wing branch of the Republican Party, the Teabaggers, are clearly anti_American.

all good reasons why...

The Party of NO! has got to Go!!

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Apr 4, 2010, at 8:29 PM

Happy Easter! Enjoy this beautiful day!

M

-- Posted by missy08 on Sun, Apr 4, 2010, at 7:42 AM

news conservative is not anti-american no more than being an Australian citizen. You don't have to remind me of anything if that's the best you can come up with.

I was surprised to see this kind of story on CNN that's all.

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sun, Apr 4, 2010, at 6:05 AM

Call me contumacious if you will, but despite my many misgivings about the current health care bill there is one thing about it with which I am pleased.

For twenty years or more I have been met with stories of horror, and anguish from the multitude caused by the state of our medical care. During all those years there was no viable response to that misery by our government, whether in the hands of the Democrats, or the Republicans.

Finally there is a fluid body of law addressing our critical need. One that can be changed by those who have created it, and yes, even by those who said no, and turned their backs on supporting any legislation that had a chance of becoming law.

Figuratively speaking it is a living thing, and with proper adjustment will assure that there will be less unnecessary death by the citizens of our country.

Our problem will not be ignored for another twenty years. Action has at last been taken. I doubt there is anyone that thought the status quo was serving our citizenry. We should all be pleased at this new circumstance, and work positively toward making it better.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Apr 4, 2010, at 1:52 AM

All the recent conversations about evolution vs. creationism and look what's up at MVC on 4/12!

-- Posted by Slater on Sun, Apr 4, 2010, at 12:07 AM

rr3yv0

The Teabagger Party is really just the ultra-conservative wing of the Republican Party. A few neocons joining up won't change the election numbers significantly.

May I remind you that so far the Republican/Teabagger Party isn't doing to well election wise. Consider their record of 2 huge losses in the last 2 elections. Now do you really think that the voters have changed their minds and decided that conservative, anti-American policies are a good idea? lol lol lol...good luck on that one mate, lol lol lol.

Don't worry mate...We the People know who the Teabaggers are.

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Apr 3, 2010, at 11:32 PM

Yep, this Leigh Scott person, babbling in the link rr3 posted, perfectly makes my point.

Thanks, rr3.

-- Posted by Slater on Sat, Apr 3, 2010, at 10:35 PM

Missy said this:

"...I believe that we all want the same things, we just have different ideas on how to reach the goal."

ME: Has the divergence of our idea(l)s caused such a polarity that working together to reach the common goals is no longer part of the equation? I certainly hope not.

The stakes have never been as high since the Revolutionary War for the survivability of our country, in my estimation. Our imperative should be to act in concert, to demonstrate to the people in Washington that we're onto their game, and that we intend to put an end to it.

MrXray, you're slightly off target about the news media. It's neither liberal nor conservative. Rather, it's wrapped in its cocoon of self-aggrandizement, and it cares not a tinker's darn about objectively reporting facts. (Yes, I know. If FACTS are reported, objectivity is redundant.)

Therefore, don't believe anything you hear or read, and only half of what you see.

-- Posted by Slater on Sat, Apr 3, 2010, at 10:24 PM

hooray mrxray well said! clap clap clap

I think we should listen some of these people that have lived where government controls everything.

http://biggovernment.com/prahe/2010/04/0...

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sat, Apr 3, 2010, at 9:43 PM

The American Revolution...REBOOTED!

http://biggovernment.com/lscott/2010/04/...

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sat, Apr 3, 2010, at 9:13 PM

I told myself I was not going to comment on this main generic thread anymore.... BUT

The Whole argument about anyone who opposes Obama care has to be racist either toward a HALF black President or a man with a Muslim name is idiotic and only a blind parroting of the liberal main stream media and Democrat party leadership.

Obama may not be openly attacking gun rights, but behind the scenes, Hillary is working with the UN in a more international approach to take away gun ownership rights.

Obama care does NOT provide health care for people but only attempts to provide health insurance. The cost of health care will continue to rise at the same rate or faster than it has in the recent past. Businesses are being hit with millions of dollars of new fees and/or tax hits with the actions of this bill as attested to by the likes of Caterpillar and ATT who were immediately called to the Senate Carpet in an attempt to intimidate those EVIL big corporations from saying anything that might go against the health care propaganda push that Obama is running around the nation wasting tax dollars campaigning for AFTER the bill has been passed.

Anyone who thinks that a 100 or so new bureaucracies with new government employees with new long term benefit packages at the tax payer expense will not hurt the economy is a fool. And how about turning our health care industry into a punative function where if you dont want to pay for insurance then the 16000 new IRS agents will pursue you and force you to pay fines and penalties

The gradual erosion of freedom and liberty were warned about from the beginning of this nation and most people are buying into this very problem, blindly following along because you are being bribed with the public's money by people who are political elitists who think the general public are stupid imbeciles who cannot think for their selves and that THEY know what is best for the lowly people as they make rules from high up on Mount Olympus.

The whole politcal game is NOT about caring for people but a huge governmental power grap which they have done by manipulating the people into thinkint that dependency is NOT a mental illness

-- Posted by mrxray on Sat, Apr 3, 2010, at 8:54 PM

I don't agree with ANY of the pork in ANY of the bills. I am sorry that you interpreted my post to mean ONLY the health care bill. That wasn't my intention.

Yes, there are many good things within the bill. I just don't believe that with litigation like it is, the abuses of emergency services like they are, that we can make this work. Just my thoughts....

M

-- Posted by missy08 on Sat, Apr 3, 2010, at 7:35 PM

Missy,

Maybe you could show me a bill, Democratic or Republican with no pork and then maybe I'll agree with you. Unfortunately, with the govt we have right now the pork fat provides the only lubrication to grease the wheels. There are a million other places we could tim the fat as well. I don't think it's fair of you to heap all of that on the healthcare bill. A lot of what the bill is now is what the GOP proposed in earlier days and they did get alot of their own ammendments.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Sat, Apr 3, 2010, at 7:07 PM

Have some posts been deleted? I don't see anything that even has the word "muslim" in it except for the post of "not..."

I care about the health and well-being of all people. I don't agree that the health care bill with all of the pork and deals is the right way to achieve that.

Please don't imply that all conservatives are uncaring, war-loving, and selfish. As I have stated before, I believe that we all want the same things, we just have different ideas on how to reach the goal.

M

-- Posted by missy08 on Sat, Apr 3, 2010, at 6:47 PM

Well said WTF.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Apr 3, 2010, at 10:57 AM

rr3yv0,

Wow. Knee Jerk, Bleeding Heart Liberal.

All this anger, all this hatred because the man (Obama) acutally cares about the health and well being of his fellow man. We certainly wouldn't want to spend any money on that would we? As president, Obama hasn't really done anything other than healthcare reform. Oh, the humantity.

What's the problem America? We can't embrace helping those at home? No, I guess we can't have that. Bomb,bomb,bomb. Bomb bomb Iran. Those are John McCains words. Is that what we want? Is that what we are all about anymore?

This is comimg from the same people who scream about being a "Christian Nation" and Obama is a muslim, yet he is showing far more christian compassion then all the tea partiers put together.

For all of you second ammendment fanatics out there. Has the big bad Obama bogeyman come for your guns yet?

What's that?.......chirp,chirp,chirp.

No, as a matter of fact this gun hating liberal actually signed into law that those with permits can now take their guns into national parks. Does he get any credit for that? No. What he does get is those very same excitable gun owners holding an ARMED tea party at a NATIONAL PARK outside of Washtington D.C. on April 19th. The anniversary of Waco and the OK City Bombing.

As they get worked into a froth, sooner or later one of those "true partriots" will pop off a few rounds.That's what they are hoping for. Who knows where that will lead.

Let's face it America, and this is coming from a middle aged white guy, you just can't handle the fact that we have a black president with a muslim name. Build'em up and tear 'em dowm. That's our America. Talk about knee jerk reactions.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Sat, Apr 3, 2010, at 7:33 AM

Looks like a few Democrats are joining the Tea Party ranks.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/04/02/d...

-- Posted by rr3yv0 on Sat, Apr 3, 2010, at 6:40 AM

HickoryDickoryDock

Regarding conceal and carry, you are absolutely correct.

In fact, if person has a gun in their pocket, commits an assault (which means doing anything that would make any reasonable person feel they are in imminent, physical danger of attack), and if the person being assaulted knows the other person is carrying a gun or knows the other person has the gun in their pocket...the carrier of the gun can be charged with aggravated assault even if the person never once pulls the gun out, This kind of assault charge is a felony and carries a prison term. In addition, the gun carrier would at that point also have the felony on their record and could no longer ever carry or touch a gun legally again.

There are a lot of other responsibilities regarding carry and conceal and if a person wants to avoid prison for irresponsible carry and conceal he/she would do well to discuss it with their attorney and learn what special laws will apply to them if they choose to conceal and carry.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Apr 2, 2010, at 6:05 PM

...and the final tune for this weekend:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jO3nzrA-O...

-- Posted by Slater on Fri, Apr 2, 2010, at 10:43 AM

Here's another Spring tune:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWWVGyxvS...

-- Posted by Slater on Fri, Apr 2, 2010, at 10:37 AM

I'm sure the good folks at McDonald's appreciated the shout out.

-- Posted by outsider on Fri, Apr 2, 2010, at 9:04 AM

RE: McDonald's... a belated April Fool's Day to all.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Apr 2, 2010, at 1:41 AM

Now here is one that we can all, left, right, and center, cheer for. "Government to save billions by cutting wasteful Senator program". http://www.theonion.com/articles/us-gove...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Apr 2, 2010, at 1:36 AM

Good post NanaDot.

Greed is the creed,

for that we all bleed.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Apr 2, 2010, at 1:09 AM

Be sure to eat every last crumb of that Big Mac, or anything else from McDonald's. It is the only way to actually dispose of it.

McDonald's has scrapped a planned move to compost all their food scraps. It seems that they will not, can not, be turned into compost. Not even in 500 years. This according to a team of scientists hired by McDonald's to study the efficacy of the proposed program. The scientists said the only place for McDonald's leftovers is in the landfill.

So if you are eating that stuff, and who isn't, be a good little "Green", eat it all up, and send it straight to the sewage system. http://www.grist.org/article/2010-04-01-...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Apr 2, 2010, at 1:04 AM

Mainstream marijuana, gateway to financial recovery? An interesting if provocative take on the devil weed. http://spot.us/pitches/333-underground-e...

If Milton Friedman Nobel prize winner, staunch conservative, and Ronald Reagan's economic guru, thought it should be legalized maybe conservatives should take another peek at the issue.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Apr 2, 2010, at 12:14 AM

Well, Spring has its foot squarely in the door now, and Old Man Winter is in retreat, so, for all of you who've shed your winter doldrums and are breathing in the smells of springtime, here's a tune from you to Mr. Winter:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-wHixgp2...

-- Posted by Slater on Fri, Apr 2, 2010, at 12:04 AM

Eric,

You once again left out the town of Gilliam on your ballots in today's paper. You did the same thing last week as well. You keep putting Glasgow, instead of Gilliam.

-- Posted by ieatsuperglue on Thu, Apr 1, 2010, at 6:36 PM

Smokin' Cheeta

Don't you meana Topeka it?

-- Posted by litlmissme on Thu, Apr 1, 2010, at 1:08 PM

As I recall from experiences oh so many years ago, this was/is a favorite day of Bob Sherman, Prankster Extraordinaire. :)

-- Posted by Slater on Thu, Apr 1, 2010, at 9:13 AM

It's April Fool's Day and we have a fresh Speak Out slate. Anybody want to share their favorite pranks? One of my favorites: A few years ago my wife, Amy, spent the whole day *not* pulling pranks on our oldest daughter, who lived in terror and anticipation the whole time, only to find out the prank was that there was no prank.

-- Posted by Eric Crump on Thu, Apr 1, 2010, at 8:24 AM


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