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Speak Out September 21 to November 06, 2009

Monday, September 21, 2009

The Marshall Democrat-News welcomes views or questions on any issue. We hope you'll express yourself freely and responsibly. We reserve the right to exclude entries that we deem disrespectful, threatening, obscene or in other ways objectionable.

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gal yeah that name is a little easy to confuse, lol.

Great car though! lol.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Nov 6, 2009, at 11:25 PM

Hey Eric any chance we could get a new speak out section it's getting slow my friend.

Thanks

-- Posted by Gal66 on Fri, Nov 6, 2009, at 10:00 PM

1OFTHEGALS please stop with the caps lock on it rude!

I have lived in Marshall for 36 years and they have been collecting this way since I moved here and to my knowledge no one has ever been hurt.

I gave at the corner of Miami & Arrow later today I went thru the other intersection all I did was show then the paper they handed me at the other section when I donated.

I to hope you never need a helping hand!!!!

You know what they say about Karma!!!

-- Posted by Gal66 on Fri, Nov 6, 2009, at 9:59 PM

I gave them some money. But then that's why I am broke-n-busted.

-- Posted by broke-n-busted on Fri, Nov 6, 2009, at 9:25 PM

I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU PEOPLE ARE MISSING THE POINT... WHAT ABOUT THE SAFETY CONCERNS? I HAVE SAID ON ALL OF MY RESPONSES THESE MAY BE GOOD CAUSES. AND JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, I DO DONATE TO CAUSES I FEEL ARE JUST AND WORTHY. MAYBE IF THESE PEOPLE HAD SOME KIND OF NOTICE OF WHAT THEY ARE COLLECTING FOR... YOU KNOW....WHATEVER. OBVIOUSLY I HAVE MADE A FEW PEOPLE MAD. YOU MUST BE THE ONES IN THE STREET. I'LL TELL YOU THIS I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO DRIVES ON BY GOOD LUCK TO YOU AND YOURS.

-- Posted by 1OFTHEGALS on Fri, Nov 6, 2009, at 5:01 PM

1ofthegals-- wow you are a scrooge.

Just leave your window up wave and smile-- you don't have to give-- I gave on my way to the store but went back thru the intersection and just left my window up and smiled and waved.

These people standing in the street-- giving their time are collecting money for the HOLIDAY PROJECT that services many many families in our county-- I hope you never have to ask for help but just remember-- I'LL BE THERE TO SMILE AND WAVE AT YOU WITH MY WINDOW UP

-- Posted by workingmom on Fri, Nov 6, 2009, at 3:11 PM

GIT-R-DONE

-- Posted by JohnnyD on Fri, Nov 6, 2009, at 2:18 PM

I AGREE WITH YOU ABOUT IT BEING THE DRIVER'S FAULT. LIKE I SAID... THESE MAY BE WELL WORTHY CAUSES BUT PANHANDLING FOR MONEY IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET IS FIRST AND FOREMOST NOT A VERY SAFE THING TO DO FROM THE PEOPLE STANDING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE DRIVING. THERE ARE CERTAINLY BETTER WAYS OF GETTING DONATIONS, BUT MAYBE THIS IS THE ONLY WAY THESE PEOPLE CAN GET DONATIONS. YOU BET I CAN AND DO SAY NO THANKS WHEN I DRIVE ON BY.

-- Posted by 1OFTHEGALS on Fri, Nov 6, 2009, at 1:45 PM

1OFTHEGALS it's real easy dont give if you don't want to.

It's not the fault of the people collecting money if someone drives bad it's the driver period!!!!!!!!!

-- Posted by Gal66 on Fri, Nov 6, 2009, at 10:48 AM

Sorry to interupt... but I have once again while driving in Marshall been jumped on by some body wanting me to donate money for their "cause". How lovely this is to have people standing at intersections waving their buckets, cans, Christmas stockings or what ever, expecting you to give. Where these may be worthy "causes" I really don't believe this is the proper way of getting donations. Traffic backs up, or worse you have someone quickly turn off a block before to keep from getting hit up. And by the way...who the heck are you people? Obviously your mothers didn't warn you to stay out of the street.

-- Posted by 1OFTHEGALS on Fri, Nov 6, 2009, at 7:49 AM

Sure Bnb

What would you like?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, Nov 6, 2009, at 7:29 AM

Perhaps wtf could provide the "entertainment"? ; )

-- Posted by broke-n-busted on Fri, Nov 6, 2009, at 7:08 AM

NanaDot I never thought your comment was directed to me but it sure did make me think about what you said so I was just telling it like it is....LOL

News and everyone else I want to let you all in on something my name Gal66 is a little misleading the name comes from the fact that I used to own a 1966 Galaxie 500 I a male.

A speak-out get together sound great.

-- Posted by Gal66 on Fri, Nov 6, 2009, at 6:35 AM

Gal,

I think that is a great idea. I will let you know the next time I will be in Marshall...which will be sometime probably next summer (American Summer). I think it would be great if a bunch of us get together.

As far as agreeing, I have never met 2 people who agree on everything. Also, it may surprise many to learn that Democrat Tip O'neil ( former Speaker of the House)...a well known liberal...and Senator Bob Dole...a well known conservative...were best friends. I saw an interview with Bob and Tip and they asked them about that. The interviewer asked Tip and Bob how they could be best friends even though they were on opposite poles of the political spectrum. Tip laughed and said, "there is more to life than just politics and Bob has the best fishing tips." Their deep and long friendship lasted the rest of Tips life.

Its ok if we don't all agree. What matters is that a person is of good character, and I have no doubt, gal, that you are a fine human being who is doing the best she can in life. I try to do the right things too. It may also surprise you to learn that not only am I a Marxist but I am also a very devout Christian (Church of England...member of Saint Andrews in Sydney...right next to Town Hall). I say that it may surprise you to know that because many people think liberals and Marxists like me are all athiests. We aren't, but a lot of folks think we are lol.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Nov 6, 2009, at 4:48 AM

...and another thing, don't buy your veggies, nor soups (Knorr soups are o. k.) in cans. ;) So says Consumer Reports: http://www.grist.org/article/2009-11-05-...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Nov 6, 2009, at 12:56 AM

The following link leads to a thought provoking commentary by a Conservative who is a Progressive.

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7499

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Nov 6, 2009, at 12:36 AM

News thank you very much for the link to the information on the American Democratic-Marxist movement.

NanaDot I know this statement "so many let the 'labels' get in the way of the idea..."

fits me very well on this subject, but please understand I know the system we have now is not working that is why I asked for the information.

I am a lot better now at looking at new ideas with an open mind than I was in my younger days I guess that is a product of growing older and I hope wiser.

News you and I both know we dont see eye to eye on most subjects but I do enjoy talking to you and I would like nothing more than to set down with you and talk when you come back to Missouri I really think we could draw a good group of people somewhere from the speak out section.

-- Posted by Gal66 on Thu, Nov 5, 2009, at 9:58 PM

Gal66,

For more information on the American Democratic-Marxist movement I recommend going to this site:

http://www.cpusa.org/article/view/758

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Nov 5, 2009, at 7:57 PM

Gal66,

The model I would recommend...as an economist...would be the Marxist-Leninist model.

Also, let me be very clear...Marxism is an economy...not a political system. Democracy is the political system I recommend.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Nov 5, 2009, at 6:41 PM

momaster: I didn't change it and my position remains the same. It's Eric's editorial decision that it doesn't fit.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Thu, Nov 5, 2009, at 6:30 PM

Gal66

I have 2 Nations...Australia and America..I spend a lot of time in both and have a home in both...neither of my 2 Countries has utilized a Marxist economy yet. However, Australia has far more social programs than the USA and far more financial regulation. I believe it is those social programs and the high regulation of financial institutions that prevented the American economic depression from spreading to Australia. As you may know. there is no economic depression/recession in Australia. The Australian economy is quite healthy. However, we do see undeniable, empirical evidence that shows that the Australian economy, a primarily capitalist economy, has had its share of depressions/recessions and inflationary periods...all symptoms of a failed economic model.

As to a free and open society...well is China a free and open society? I believe many...probably most...Chinese citizens would say yes. I would say they are not a free and open society, but its a highly subjective matter. Of course, I think America is far less free and far less open than it was prior to the Republican control of the House and Senate for most of the years under Bush, and from what I have seen thus far America under Obama doesn't appear to be any more free or more open than it was under the Republicans.

So would Marxism work in the USA? Probably...but it would require a great deal of work and the transition would have to be gradual. In addition, I think that the Patriot Act and other oppressive legislation would have to be reversed and a new emphasis put on civil rights enforcement.

One thing though that I am certain of is that capitalism clearly isn't working in the USA.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Nov 5, 2009, at 6:13 PM

Seagarr-

I meant to type comedian not man. Sorry this upset you but people like you spread hate. Why not try kindness in your next posting, life's too short to be hateful so GIT-R-DONE :)

-- Posted by JohnnyD on Thu, Nov 5, 2009, at 5:30 PM

Kathy,

Evidently you do since you have revamped the question and answers since I posted!!!!!

-- Posted by momaster on Thu, Nov 5, 2009, at 5:25 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
The 'I hate kids' item didn't fit well, which I should have caught before posting the poll. The question was about why people didn't vote, not why they voted 'no.'

GIT-R-DONE

-- Posted by JohnnyD on Thu, Nov 5, 2009, at 5:15 PM

News I thought is was a very simple question.

Can you give me a country that is run by the Marxist economy you think we need?

So there is not single country that is ran under a Marxists economy that is a free and open, democratic society?

Not even the country you call home now?

-- Posted by Gal66 on Thu, Nov 5, 2009, at 4:09 PM

momaster: I don't think we have anything to be ashamed of at all. Some people routinely vote no on school bond issues for that very reason.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Thu, Nov 5, 2009, at 3:41 PM

Gal66,

I don't understand your question. However, I will try to assist you by answering what I think you want to know.

If you mean can I give you an example of a successful marxist economy? Well that all depends on how you define a Marxist economy.

Certainly the Communist Party in China has been quite successful in implementing Deng's modified Marxist economic plan known through out China as "The Plan." This was Deng's plan to allow a moderate level of capitalism where a person is allowed to co-own a business along with the Government (Government owns over 50%). The plan is designed to bring the poor into the emerging middle class while allowing a small, temporary, and controled level of rich folks. However, the plan has an end point and a timeline. The Communist Party in China does plan to end all the capitalism that they are tolerating now when they accomplish their objective. So far the plan has worked very well. The Chinese are thriving and have the fastest growing economy in the World.

However, I don't favor the Chinese approach.

As I have said before, most modern Marxists, such as yours truly, believe that Marxism can only succeed in a free and open, democratic society. Most Countries where Marxism has failed have a long history of brutal dictatorships...mostly right-wing, capitalist and feudal dictatorships. A Nation such as Russia is a perfect example of that. Russian history is dominated by ultra-right wing, brutal dicatorships. Concepts such as democracy are foreign to them. So its no surprise that both Marxism and capitalism have failed in that Nation.

However, we can find many existing examples of failed capitalist economies even today. Our own economy is a perfect example of that. We tend to have depressions/recessions every 5 to 6 years, we have experienced 2 major depressions since 1929, and millions of Americans continue to live in terrible poverty. Any economic system that does not work for all the members of a society, is not a working economic model.

We don't have to settle for a failed economic system. We can scrap it and try something new. One thing is for sure, the system we have now sure isn't working. We don't have to settle for that. We can do better.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Nov 5, 2009, at 3:03 PM

Really Marshall Dem News? A pole question about why you didn't vote and an answer option of "I hate kids"??? And you want us to take you seriously? Of course people are going to check that...just to be stupid.... and you gave them the opportunity.....and look which answer leads. You should be ashamed of yourselves.

-- Posted by momaster on Thu, Nov 5, 2009, at 3:01 PM

Kathy,

Regarding funding, it would take a bond issue to fund additions, no doubt. The cost would be significantly lower than $20 mil and the impact on taxpayers would be correspondingly lower.

Rough guesses at costs:

5 classrooms at 600 sq.ft. each = a 3000 sq ft addition for each of 5 buildings.

$200/square foot ought to cover it. Thats $600,000 per building or a total of $3 million.

I can't imagine a complete boiler replacement costing more that $70k per building x 5 for $350,000.

So a bond issue for $3.5 million makes sense to me. My property taxes would then go up $70 per year instead of $400 and lo and behold, no trailers.

Regarding capital improvements at $350, this sounds like a plug figure to me. Something to keep that line on the budget form from being empty.

Good financial planning would have the district budgeting 1/20th to 1/30th the cost of major predictible maintenance projects every year so that we can afford things like boiler replacements and new roofs without passing a bond issue.

A reoccuring theme in publicly funded entities is that they burn up the "long range expenditures" money in the day to day operation and seem to never have anything to pay for the inevitable costs of maintaining what is there. In theory, this is what either the capital reserves, or a separate budget line item for long term maintenance, are for. It takes disciplined fiscal management to actually budget properly for these things, and then hold onto the money until it is needed. Putting your hand out every time a routine maintenance expense comes along is not a good management strategy.

I can only imagine what a firestorm of controversy stating numbers on this blog will create. Should be interesting.

-- Posted by countryman on Thu, Nov 5, 2009, at 2:57 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
I asked about estimating the cost of adding to and improving the existing elementary schools. The district doesn't currently have an estimate for all four buildings, but the architect did estimate $2.3 million to build an addition and upgrade systems at Benton and $1.8 million to build an addition to Northwest.

www.marshallnews.com/story/1556309.html

In reference to the poll question..I voted other because I don't live in Marshall and hence could not vote for it if I wanted to, which I would have

-- Posted by moodyblue on Thu, Nov 5, 2009, at 2:42 PM

countryman,

1) Homeschoolers are not underdevoloped. Those that I know are excelling academically at MHS or college, and, no, we did not homeschool our kids.

Where did I say anything about academically please look at my post and I stand by what was it my post.

2) I am an engineer, I doubt that you know more about structural integrity than me.

What type of engineer are you first off?

Second I never said I knew more about structural integrity than anyone go back and see what I wrote.

If you are an engineer lets see your plan with cost for doing all the work that needs to be done on our schools, prove it to us you could do it for less money and work just as well and I will back you 100%

3) Classroom additions to existing buildings also get rid of trailers. Why is this not an option for you?

Because I think it's throwing good money into a project that is not worth it except for North West.

Per the democrat news, on 11/03/09:

"Several bond campaign volunteers urged the school board to put the issue on the ballot in April 2010. Board members in the past have said they intend to keep asking voters to approve funding for new schools until they get the nod.

"We're not going to give up. We'll do it again," pledged school board President Larry Godsey."

I still don't see any thing about "ram it down the voters throats" or was that just to make your post look better?

-- Posted by Gal66 on Thu, Nov 5, 2009, at 2:04 PM

countryman: You said "Additionally, I am pretty confident we can re-roof all the buildings and replace the boilers in addition to adding enough class rooms to each building to remove the trailers for way less than 20 million."

You could be right, but where will that money come from? The bond we just kicked under the bus could only be used for new construction. And somewhere I saw a dollar figure of around $350 in the capital improvements budget, which isn't going to cover your listing of options.

So - whence comes the money?

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Thu, Nov 5, 2009, at 1:43 PM

I think the poll should be changed. If they mark "other" they should have to list the reason before it will accept the vote. Maybe there are some viable ideas there. (Probably not, but you never know!) Maybe MDN could look into that.......

-- Posted by outsidelookin'in on Thu, Nov 5, 2009, at 12:31 PM

Eric,

To those board members who think Northwest school is too old and outdated to be worth adding on to I say, "What???"

Additionally, I am pretty confident we can re-roof all the buildings and replace the boilers in addition to adding enough class rooms to each building to remove the trailers for way less than 20 million. Of course, I am sure that any good 21st century bureaucracy can make the numbers say just about anything. Especially at the proposal phase.

Another fact that I think is being overlooked. Are we expecting a big population boost in Marshall? I feel we should provide classrooms to replace the trailers, but new school buildings generally indicate population growth. When last I checked there are no more people or students in Marshall than 30 years ago. If memory serves me correctly, the class of 1972 held the record for the largest ever until the class of 2011 came along.

Fundamentally, the tax base of Marshall has not changed in size, just valuation, for decades.

-- Posted by countryman on Thu, Nov 5, 2009, at 12:14 PM

Gal66,

1) Homeschoolers are not underdevoloped. Those that I know are excelling academically at MHS or college, and, no, we did not homeschool our kids.

2) I am an engineer, I doubt that you know more about structural integrity than me.

3) Classroom additions to existing buildings also get rid of trailers. Why is this not an option for you?

Per the democrat news, on 11/03/09:

"Several bond campaign volunteers urged the school board to put the issue on the ballot in April 2010. Board members in the past have said they intend to keep asking voters to approve funding for new schools until they get the nod.

"We're not going to give up. We'll do it again," pledged school board President Larry Godsey."

Nice try, though.

-- Posted by countryman on Thu, Nov 5, 2009, at 11:20 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
School officials have not claimed the older elementary schools are structurally unsound. They have said the buildings' systems are outdated and increasingly difficult and expensive to maintain (heating, a/c, plumbing, electrical, roof, etc.).

An early version of the plan for this project included additions to Northwest and Benton schools, but several board members argued that pouring money into old buildings was a poor investment and the board opted to drop those plans in favor of new buildings.

Eighteen per cent of respondents to the school bond poll said, "I hate kids". Gee whiz, please tell us at what age you arrived on this earth, "bright eyed and bushy-tailed" ready to take on the real world?

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Thu, Nov 5, 2009, at 11:01 AM

countryman said:

"I would like to clarify a few things that I believe are misunderstood by some.

1) We are not "punishing" our kids by not building a new school. Teachers and curriculum make a school, not buildings. Are home schoolers punishing thier kids by not living in new houses? Has throwing money and new buildings helped the Kansas City school district?

My answer to you

The first part of your statment is an opinion about punishing, my opinion is you all are punishing the kids.

Heres mine on home schoolers most of the ones I know their children have under developed social skills so in my opinion yes they are punishing them.

As far as the Kansas City school District they have seen great improvement in the last couple of years.

2) The existing buildings are not falling down, and I am not sure that new buildings will be as well constructed as what we have now. Even new buildings will need a roof every 20 or so years and new paint every 5. Maintenance cost will be there with new or old.

My answer to you

Once again your opinion and I choose to base my opinion on what I have seen and talked to people with way more experence in judging the shape of buildings.

3) Most all people in the area support getting rid of the trailers, but we never seem to get that option. The elementary schools have plenty of room to add classrooms, but we seem stuck on this "we have to have a new school, or else" mentality. Anybody think of adding a few classrooms to each building?

My answer to you

You are wrong here you had that option this time around if the bond would have passed the trailers would have been a thing of the past.

4) Country people do not traditionally support bond issues that raise property taxes as farmers pay heavily for every property tax increase. Look at the bond results for Ward IV, where most rural voters vote.

You are right here!

And finally, an opinion, if the Marshall School Board, and those citizens that are sure we need a new school building keep up the "ram it down the voters throats" verbage by stating that we will just keep shoving this on a ballot until the voters submit, then I think they are dooming future support.

My answer to you

Where did you ever see this or can you prove it was said to you by someone on the board?

A little free political science education here. It is easiest to get a measure that has a small but dedicated and passionate support base passed in a cycle with low voter turnout. Elections where there is only one issue on the ballot obviously result in low turnout. The theory being that voters that care deeply about the issue will vote, but those who are not passionate will not bother if there is no "big" issues at question. So, if the ballot measure did not pass in this election, good luck with the same measure with normal or high turnout.

My answer to you

There are just as many people that are of the opinion that just as many people that are passionate about an issue not passing will also get out and vote.

It will alway be harder to pass a school bond issue because of the 4/7 majority it takes to pass one.

My opinion on that is the 4/7 majority is a bunch of crap it should be a simple majority period!!!!

I would like to finish by saying that I think we have a top notch school system in Marshall. We have some great teachers and administrators

My answer to you

I will side with you on this opinion.

-- Posted by Gal66 on Thu, Nov 5, 2009, at 10:48 AM

Thanks Eric. I too am curious about the 'other'. ;) Also thanks for the tip for getting the results, I shall tuck that away in my memory.

-- Posted by Scarpetta on Thu, Nov 5, 2009, at 10:18 AM

There doesn't need to be a conflict between preservation and new buildings in a community. Adaptive reuse is a practice of finding new, appropriate, financially viable uses for buildings that are no longer adequate to serve their original purposes.

www.marshallnews.com/blogs/crump/entry/3...

-- Posted by Eric Crump on Thu, Nov 5, 2009, at 10:15 AM

Hey news across I guess you missed this when I asked the question before.

Can you give me a country that is run by the Marxist economy you think we need to use here so I can read up on it?

Thanks

-- Posted by Gal66 on Thu, Nov 5, 2009, at 10:14 AM

Just kidding about being done...

How about that dichotomy of being in favor of historic preservation in Marshall, but being against preserving our historic school buildings?

Well, those posts should get things stirred up. Let 'er rip.

-- Posted by countryman on Thu, Nov 5, 2009, at 10:04 AM

I would like to clarify a few things that I believe are misunderstood by some.

1) We are not "punishing" our kids by not building a new school. Teachers and curriculum make a school, not buildings. Are home schoolers punishing thier kids by not living in new houses? Has throwing money and new buildings helped the Kansas City school district?

2) The existing buildings are not falling down, and I am not sure that new buildings will be as well constructed as what we have now. Even new buildings will need a roof every 20 or so years and new paint every 5. Maintenance cost will be there with new or old.

3) Most all people in the area support getting rid of the trailers, but we never seem to get that option. The elementary schools have plenty of room to add classrooms, but we seem stuck on this "we have to have a new school, or else" mentality. Anybody think of adding a few classrooms to each building?

4) Country people do not traditionally support bond issues that raise property taxes as farmers pay heavily for every property tax increase. Look at the bond results for Ward IV, where most rural voters vote.

And finally, an opinion, if the Marshall School Board, and those citizens that are sure we need a new school building keep up the "ram it down the voters throats" verbage by stating that we will just keep shoving this on a ballot until the voters submit, then I think they are dooming future support.

A little free political science education here. It is easiest to get a measure that has a small but dedicated and passionate support base passed in a cycle with low voter turnout. Elections where there is only one issue on the ballot obviously result in low turnout. The theory being that voters that care deeply about the issue will vote, but those who are not passionate will not bother if there is no "big" issues at question. So, if the ballot measure did not pass in this election, good luck with the same measure with normal or high turnout.

I would like to finish by saying that I think we have a top notch school system in Marshall. We have some great teachers and administrators, and my kids have done well in the system. I believe they are being prepared to be educated, productive citizens. However, Marshall is not a rich town, in fact quite the opposite. Not saying that is bad, just a fact. So our school system will always reflect the socio-economic status of the community, not much to be done about that one, unless we can create a bunch of upper middle class incomes somehow, and that is not likely.

And to those who are ashamed of sending your kids to such a poor and dilapidated school building, life's tough all over. There are many kids that live in poverty, in homes that are in worse shape than our schools, so to those families, those old buildings look pretty good.

Sorry, rant's over now.

-- Posted by countryman on Thu, Nov 5, 2009, at 9:50 AM

Eric, I see we have a new poll. Can/will you share the results?

-- Posted by Scarpetta on Thu, Nov 5, 2009, at 9:29 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
You can see results by clicking on the "vote" button. Here's what we've got so far.

If you didn't vote in the Marshall school bond election, why not?

* I didn't know it was on the ballot: 1.2% (1 vote)

* I didn't care about the issue: 1.2% (1 vote)

* I wasn't registered to vote: 4.8% (4 votes)

* I was sure it would fail: 4.8% (4 votes)

* I was sure it would pass: 0.0% (0 votes)

* My employer wouldn't let me off work to vote: 2.4% (2 votes)

* My spouse would have voted the other way, so we canceled each other out: 2.4% (2 votes)

* I don't have any kids in district schools: 3.6% (3 votes)

* I wanted to punish the school district for past mistakes: 9.5% (8 votes)

* I hate kids: 21.4% (18 votes)

* Other: 27.4% (23 votes)

* No opinion: 21.4% (18 votes)

(I'm curious to know what the "other" reasons are.)

I think the school board keeps rewrapping the same plan, the people vote no and then here it comes again. Some one commented that it would be sad to wait until our building fall in before we do something....perhaps we should be taking better care of what we have. The most recent plan was being devised a month and a half before election. Start planning now. I think the people of Marshall are generous and will support what they want. We want our school board to take care of what we have! Our buildings and our children! Neither are disposable or broken beyond repair.

-- Posted by windowview on Thu, Nov 5, 2009, at 9:12 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Planning started in March, 8 months out, and was a continuation of planning done for previous issues. The starting point was comparable to previous plans, but a number changes were made based on community input gathered during public meetings.

superglue,

Where do you propose to put the kids from each school while the buildings are being "remodeled"? The shape that the buildings are in, it would take A LOT longer than the one month that the that the buildings are empty for the summer. It would actually be more expensive to remodel all of the elementary buildings and trailers because it is an ongoing process. Building new would have been the most cost effective solution in the long run.

Oh bother....

-- Posted by ALM on Thu, Nov 5, 2009, at 7:31 AM

I bet that if the k-8 rural schools and Malta Bend consolidated with Marshall you could pass a bond issue. Country people always support schools. Consolidate NOW!

-- Posted by movaldude on Wed, Nov 4, 2009, at 11:03 PM

Former UK ambassador: CIA sent people to be tortured "with broken bottles'

http://rawstory.com/2009/11/ambassador-c...

Is this the kind of Nation we want to be?

Its becoming rather difficult to distinguish between the CIA and the NAZI Gestapo.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Nov 4, 2009, at 10:55 PM

oneofmany,

Swing and a miss. Try again? I mean a NEW school. Yes, they are falling apart, so REMODEL! It's not rocket science.

-- Posted by ieatsuperglue on Wed, Nov 4, 2009, at 10:28 PM

It occurred to me today that the same people who complain about Obama forcing their grandchildren to pay off trillions of dollars in debt, don't mind voting against facilities for their same grandchildren to sit in now. Of course, by stalling the vote for new facilities, their grandchildren will have to pay HUGE bucks to build them when they completely fall in.

-- Posted by oneofmany on Wed, Nov 4, 2009, at 10:08 PM

ieatsuperglue (a very fitting name, by the way) you ARE paying for a school. In fact, you're paying for four schools that are falling apart! You're also paying for several rickety trailers. It's the gift that keeps on giving.

-- Posted by oneofmany on Wed, Nov 4, 2009, at 10:05 PM

City of Marshall,

Have you learned we DO NOT want to pay for a school?

-- Posted by ieatsuperglue on Wed, Nov 4, 2009, at 9:04 PM

Here's some information on drug testing in the workplace:

http://www.dol.gov/elaws/asp/drugfree/dr...

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Wed, Nov 4, 2009, at 11:49 AM

JOhnby: I think the Action President Truman took at the time was the only choice that could have been made! It saved a lot of American lifes & stopped most of the aggression on U.S. for many years! The Truman Administration did what they could, to warn the Japanpanees of the coming devastation! The U.S.A.can't stand by and let any aggressor come that close to invading our country, they attacked us first! And now all we do is stick our NOSE IN EVERYONE's Business! What do we expect! I Personally think there would not have been a 911 attack if we hadn't been trying to change another Countries Culture,for our own interest1 We could get Ben-laden with out this all out war over there. you are not going to defeat any Religious belief! To most, Religion is the most Powerful Weapon there is, it has most People's mind! Very hard for me to understand this??

-- Posted by Jo on Wed, Nov 4, 2009, at 9:30 AM

When are the pictures from trick or treating on the square going to be put online?

-- Posted by lovingmarshall on Wed, Nov 4, 2009, at 8:19 AM
Response by Geoff Rands/Staff writer:
Right now.

www.marshallnews.com/gallery/2009trickor...

Read the vote in the 23rd district, of N.Y. U.S. house race. http://elections.nj.com/dynamic/files/el...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Nov 4, 2009, at 12:27 AM

The twenty third district of New York race for the United States House of Representatives has been touted by conservatives as a bellwether election, that is one that would portend the future of elective politics in our country.

The district has gone Republican for one hundred and thirty eight years. This year a Conservative threw his hat into the ring, running against the Republican, and the Democratic candidates. In stepped Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck, and Rush Limbaugh throwing their considerable weight behind the Conservative candidate, Hoffman.

It scared the Republican candidate into withdrawing from the race. It scared the people of the district into electing the Democrat.

Keep up the good work Sarah, Glenn, and Rush. http://www.openleft.com/diary/15776/why-...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Nov 4, 2009, at 12:13 AM

Whatever they are smoking they didn't get it from me. Lol

-- Posted by What the f...... on Tue, Nov 3, 2009, at 10:50 PM

Environmentally friendly Mercury filled light bulbs are another joke... many locations and cities and maybe states require any spill of Mercury to be treated as a hazardous material's spill.

Now we all know how lazy American's are... they ARE going to land fills... it is only a matter of time before we see the results of this liberal brilliance...

-- Posted by mrxray on Tue, Nov 3, 2009, at 8:34 PM

They are considered hazardous waste and the recycle center at the utility company doesn't have the resources at this time to handle them.

They suggest you follow the manufacturer's recommended instructions on the package.

Here's a link to the portion of the EPA's website which tells about Missouri locations for their disposal.

http://www.epa.gov/epawaste/hazard/waste...

-- Posted by Night Sky on Tue, Nov 3, 2009, at 8:34 PM

What are we suppose to do with our energy saving light bulbs when they burn out? They have MERCURY in them. I hope we don't throw them in the landfill. That would be one step backwards for the environment they were intended to improve. Maybe our recycle center could add a bin for them. Wonderful place by the way, more people need to use it.

-- Posted by Pasta on Tue, Nov 3, 2009, at 8:19 PM

When you are exiting the square please use your blinkers, I waited on 5 vehicles today while trying to get on the square and not one of them used their blinkers...

-- Posted by fresh air on Tue, Nov 3, 2009, at 7:17 PM

Stimulus report: Those deficit-financed government checks worked because in the second quarter of 2009 Americans bought 1.14 BILLION dollars worth of firearms and ammunition.

http://www.ammoland.com/2009/11/02/usa-b...

-- Posted by AF Brat on Tue, Nov 3, 2009, at 12:52 PM

Midmocat,

If you can say that with a straight face then I thank god you are in the minority.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Tue, Nov 3, 2009, at 12:22 PM

Look what the cuurent administration is doing for the good of the people.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/02...

-- Posted by broke-n-busted on Tue, Nov 3, 2009, at 12:20 PM

I know it will never change, (Peoples Additude's) until People realize that all Politicians are Liar's. And if you are one of those People that believe just about anything, without Checking,and using some common sense, they have control! I don't look at things as a Dem. or Rep. I try to look at things, as whats good for the Common Good for all. I don't care who is saying what! I am a sceptic about everything unless it's good for all Humanity! And i think everyone is born with that sence! i have found in my 75 years, that we the People, wouldn't have anything if it were up to the Republican and their Ideology!they have never Voted for any of the Program's that has kept People going through these last few Years! Its a shame we don't have a third Party choice? We should Vote them all out now ,and start over? No Politician has ever empressed me, they all have a self interest, not for the People they are suppose to serve? It all changed after Truman, no ethic at all! Even after they have Scammed the People , they keep Voting them back in office What has happend???

-- Posted by Jo on Tue, Nov 3, 2009, at 11:55 AM

"Our children are our future. Unless we stop them now!!" -- Homer Simpson

-- Posted by thebirdman on Mon, Nov 2, 2009, at 9:25 PM

If i want NEWS, i'll watch anything but FOX!

-- Posted by Jo on Mon, Nov 2, 2009, at 3:38 PM

Hey I was wondering if anyone had checked out the new drive thru at Pit Stop? Is it as great as it was? I haven't made my way there to check it out myself...so I was just wondering.

-- Posted by Scarpetta on Sun, Nov 1, 2009, at 10:01 PM

AF Brat,

I've already posted "proof" in the youtube link of Rupert Murdoch and that's only one of many. Go look for yourself.You can spend all nite enjoying many different examples. If you want to slurp up the FOX "news" pablum that's your business but if you choose to use them as a source then be prepared to be called on it.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Sun, Nov 1, 2009, at 7:19 PM

wtf posted: "Maybe the story originated from the AP but who is to say that FOX might leave a little something out. It wouldn't be the first time."

PROOF, please.

-- Posted by AF Brat on Sun, Nov 1, 2009, at 1:14 PM

Well Brat,

I've seen your posts. I hardly think I have the market cornered on "broken records".

Maybe the story originated from the AP but who is to say that FOX might leave a little something out. It wouldn't be the first time. Again, my point is about my distrust of FOX news in general. If that offends you then I'm sorry to inform you that the instrument has yet to be devised that could measure my indifference as to how you might feel about it.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Sun, Nov 1, 2009, at 12:57 PM

WTF, you are sounding like a broken record. Two baseless ad hominem attacks on Fox News stories in the same week. Both times you are shown to be in error.

Like this. The story "came from" the Associated Press (look in the upper left corner of the page). If AP has a bias, it certainly isn't rightward. The article was merely reprinted by Fox News. Just like the D-N reprints content originating with other journalistic sources. It's a common industry-wide practice.

You could have verified this if you'd gotten past your prejudice against Fox News and looked.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/arti...

BTW, ad hominem arguments are a sign of weakness.

-- Posted by AF Brat on Sun, Nov 1, 2009, at 10:51 AM

mrxray,

The point I was making was not so much about the story in question but FOX "new" in general.

I feel that way anytime FOX news is referenced.

As you know FOX is owned by Rupert Murdoch who admitted publically that he "slanted" his news in support of the invasion of Iraq.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4b43CdKC...

Enough said?

If you can say with a staight face that you feel FOX news is fair and balanced then at least I know what I'm dealing with.

You called me: "completely biased and unopened minded"

The irony is palpable.

Any cable news show that offers opinion will have a slant. But FOX is the undisputed king of playing fast and loose with the facts.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Sun, Nov 1, 2009, at 6:30 AM

Sorry AF Brat,

I would take anything, absolutely anything that came from a FOX news source with a huge grain of salt.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Tue, Oct 27, 2009, at 2:56 PM

You just proved that you are completely biased and unopened minded. This report was not a report generated by Fox News but a story on a report reflecting what the insurance companies have reported as their profit margins.

-- Posted by mrxray on Sun, Nov 1, 2009, at 2:09 AM

Today being Halloween and daylight time still in effect, this is my thought for the day:

Former president G.W. Bush extended daylight savings time through the end of October so that he could go trick-or-treating without his mother having to go along.

-- Posted by Slater on Sat, Oct 31, 2009, at 6:25 PM

Have a read of this upcoming PBS program description and tune in Monday night, if your feeder PBS station is carrying it:

http://www.pbs.org/thepeoplevleofrank/

-- Posted by Slater on Sat, Oct 31, 2009, at 6:09 PM

The UK's universal health care in inaction.

"In the United Kingdom, Parliament will take up a proposal to give National Health Service patients the right to seek private health care if they have been kept waiting for an appointment with a specialist for more than four months. Cancer patients, in particular, have evidently been removing themselves from the queue the hard way.

"But the problem isn't only with specialized forms of treatment. The London Times quotes Jennifer Dixon of the Nuffield Trust:

'It would not only give patients enforceable health care entitlements but it would also prevent managers and clinicians from controlling waiting times as a way of limiting demand and saving money,' she said. 'In the past requirements to make financial savings often resulted in hospitals stopping routine surgery for a couple of months before the end of the financial year.'

What a system!"

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/20...

-- Posted by AF Brat on Sat, Oct 31, 2009, at 12:51 PM

B-n-r...totally agree. They need a stop light at that intersection. They also need one at Odell and Morrow. Flashing light at 240 and Odell. Ur right though someone will have to die to get it done.

-- Posted by Scarpetta on Sat, Oct 31, 2009, at 11:01 AM

The addition of turning lanes at the intersection of Vest and Hwy 65 have not solved the problem. Sadly, it would seem that someone is going to have die at that intersection in order to get the problem solved.

-- Posted by born-n-raised on Sat, Oct 31, 2009, at 9:55 AM

Congratulations to the Marshall Owls Football team who beat Kirksville tonight. Good game, Owls! Good luck to the seniors.

-- Posted by oneofmany on Sat, Oct 31, 2009, at 12:12 AM

I'm not a slum lord. In fact, I don't think I've ever rented anything out to anyone in my life. I've been a renter, but not now.

I've delivered furniture and appliances to some pretty nasty homes in Marshall. I thought those places were largely just the way the people who lived there wanted to live. Let's face it, people who rent don't have the same vested interest or care in a property that owners do. What does a landlord think and feel, when they fix up a property to top quality, then see it trashed by a non-caring renter? I also think some money hungry landlords just want to get as much rent as they can without spending a penny in maintenance or repair. If a tract of land is run down, it may well be because neither the renter or the landlord really cares about the neighborhood, like a live in homeowner would, IMO.

-- Posted by Ray on Fri, Oct 30, 2009, at 6:03 PM

Heard we had some local places robbed last night, one for the second time. Any reports?

-- Posted by Scarpetta on Fri, Oct 30, 2009, at 1:53 PM

I have to agree with Notgnvsht on Marshall having slum lords. I have seen first hand what these landlords want to rent out. I would not let my dog live in any of them...much less my family. I wonder if these slumlords would live in their rental houses or let their family members? Slumlords...feel free to chime in and let us know if you would live in your own rental houses.

-- Posted by tommob on Fri, Oct 30, 2009, at 11:41 AM

I can't tell by my calender and haven't heard--do we turn our clocks back Saturday night or Sunday night? Thanks

-- Posted by farmerwife on Fri, Oct 30, 2009, at 10:57 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Sunday at 2 a.m. is the official time of the time change.

wow sht...i can't believe you did all that typin KNOWIN they gonna delete it with your "pig" comment....classy!!

-- Posted by wheresthelove on Fri, Oct 30, 2009, at 12:25 AM

I'm not taking children, I was ask to help. Don't want anyone hit by a car.

-- Posted by holdon on Thu, Oct 29, 2009, at 3:22 PM

I'm not taking my kids out to get sugary junk in the rain that's for sure!

-- Posted by ouijastar on Thu, Oct 29, 2009, at 3:13 PM

Does anyone know, if they cancel trick or treat on the square for tonight?

-- Posted by holdon on Thu, Oct 29, 2009, at 2:51 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
According to the Chamber of Commerce it will be held, rain or shine.

notgvnasht:

When I was growing up my parents owned a rented out houses. There were many good tenants and many bad. My dad spent a lot of time going somewhere to fix a plug in or a pipe and even unclogging toilets.

You would be one of the good renters and there are plenty of them.

My parents made the decision to sell all their rental properties because of the constant destruction.

I remember walking into a home that had been newly remodeled less than a year earlier. There was not one room where the carpet had not been trashed from the dogs that they were not suppose to have. Two walls had permanent marker on them with obscenities sprawled across them. The closet doors had been ripped off in the master bedroom, and were in the back yard being used as a ramp for the kids to ride their bikes over. My mom said we can't keep this up, my dad agreed and the properties began to get sold one by one as the tenants moved out and we fixed them up one more time.

-- Posted by litlmissme on Thu, Oct 29, 2009, at 5:32 AM

Sorry for the mistake in my last post! I'm not totally Illiterate. ha

-- Posted by Jo on Thu, Oct 29, 2009, at 2:13 AM

I don't know anything ,other than what i hear from People who has to rent these Place's. But don't the Government subsidize some of these Rental's? They hand over Money with out seeing what these People are having to Rent? I can see the help to one's who need it , but to have a land lord through a bucket of Paint on four wall's and do nothing else,is kind of screwing the Tax payer again, "Plus the Tenant! If they can do People that way,and get away with it.We need to be screwed ! This go's right back to the Government wasting our Money,that could be used for Health Care, or for the good it could do for people if done right! And Rent for what it's worth, not for what the Landlord thinks it's worth Responsibility to keep thing up on Landlord & Tenant ! This would work! Other-wise it's just a waste of our Money! It's no different than the Bail Out with no rule's on how they spend it!

-- Posted by Jo on Thu, Oct 29, 2009, at 1:55 AM

I Personally think, The well being of our People should be the top Priority for our leader's! Before the Defence , before any Aid to other Country, before even one Earmark from any Representative, before any of the other nonsense! This is our Money and we deserve the best Care we can receive ! There is no reason we should not have Single Payer. These Representative's seem to forget, they are there to (SERVE THE PEOPLE)! NOT SEE THAT SOMEONE OR ORGINAZATION MAKES A PROFIT OFF SOMEONE'S HEALTH ??? There is too many People Dying because of this? It also seems these Terrorist Countries, are playing us like a fiddle! And we keep sending them Money. Let's take care of our own for awhile? (Obama! ) Get our butt's out of their Countries! This Country is becoming a big Joke,and keep killing off our Men & Women! This Campaign Financing has to be change? These two Parties are fighting among themselves and we are in the middle taking all this, let these people know how we feel? We are all American's! I could care less witch Party did what, as long as it gfet done, and is good for every one!

-- Posted by Jo on Wed, Oct 28, 2009, at 10:42 PM

I was looking through the classified section this evening and had to giggle (in a very concerning way) .... Our rental houses- not just in Marshall- are so poorly taken care of. For the most part~ Some of the property owners do "try" to keep their rentals in good shape. The rest of the rental owners don't even to bother to clean up when the last tenant moves out. Not sure I understand this...

-- Posted by nomad on Wed, Oct 28, 2009, at 7:16 PM

You don't have to pay your physician or hospital more than the health care insurance companies. Bargain first. Here's how to beat them at their own game.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424...

-- Posted by AF Brat on Wed, Oct 28, 2009, at 10:51 AM

On the medical costs/insurance subject. I have had recent medical issues that have resulted in nearly $200k in billing from the variouse providers so far. My insurance company has "allowed" about 50.23 percent of those charges which the providers have to accept in accordance with their contracts with my insurance company. If I didn't have insurance, I would most likely be responsible for the full "billed" amount not the "allowed" amount.

-- Posted by SalineNative on Wed, Oct 28, 2009, at 8:02 AM

Good night. I am obviously too tired to post in a grammatically acceptable manner. Sorry.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Oct 28, 2009, at 1:23 AM

Look at what BMW in Germany has done. They are tying executive bonus to the bonus recieved by their line workers. Why don't our auto companies doing that? http://www.spiegel.de/international/busi...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Oct 28, 2009, at 1:20 AM

Slater,

HA, HA! No, I wasn't that privileged! And, most people didn't go the "cash" route. If they didn't have insurance, and weren't on medicaid basically, they couldn't afford the 80.00 all at once. SAD!

-- Posted by nouveaublogger on Tue, Oct 27, 2009, at 7:55 PM

Upsedaisy,

Thanks for the concern about the pneumonia and the "back". The enforced rest didn't do much to relieve any stiffness, since I slept quite a lot. Actually, lying and sitting aren't usually too comfortable for me. Being up on my feet and moving is best for me. I can't take Aleve, I am on a full dose aspirin regimen daily and so the only thing I take is arthritis strength Tylenol. I do take an occasional muscle relaxer when the stiffness gets really harsh, but I have to be encouraged to do that. It's not martyrdom, just most medicines knock me on my butt! LOL! I'm such a panty waist when it comes to meds. I do some stretching to relieve some of it. What is "a back saver" chair. Is it called that commercially?

-- Posted by nouveaublogger on Tue, Oct 27, 2009, at 7:49 PM

NB,

Now we know how your back was injured - carrying all those heavy money bags to the bank.

-- Posted by Slater on Tue, Oct 27, 2009, at 7:41 PM

Scarpetta,

I worked for a physician in Sedalia for some years and whom was a specialist and did exactly what you said. An initial consult was billed at 120.00, but if you paid cash and paid up front that day, the charge was 80.00. You would probably be surprised how many smaller offices would do that (1-2 physicians). However, larger clinics usually will not, because of their by-laws about billing and the senior physicians set the prices and the junior physicians have to meet a certain quota to keep their jobs.

-- Posted by nouveaublogger on Tue, Oct 27, 2009, at 7:36 PM

Scarpetta posted: "Example: I wonder if...when I go to the doctor in Marshall if the insurance company and I pay the same office visit price."

For most of the past thirty years, my wife saw a dentist who was outside of my health plan's coverage so she paid her own bills. The dentist gave her a "cash" discount of 25% because he didn't have to do billing and he got paid immediately (If he'd billed her, which happened once or twice, he gave a "patient pay" discount of 15% anyhow).

Maybe you should ask to pay the same as ... for example, Blue Cross because the physician doesn't have to mess with billing and wait to be paid since you've got cash in hand. Gosh, it might work.

-- Posted by AF Brat on Tue, Oct 27, 2009, at 6:43 PM

According to the Washington Post, $1.4 million is being spent DAILY to fight health care reform. Wow!!!!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con...

-- Posted by oneofmany on Tue, Oct 27, 2009, at 6:31 PM

To Scarpetta et al per health costs. Did you folks per chance see "60 Minutes" on Sunday? It was absolutely appalling and something I wasn't aware was going on. And, for the life of me, I don't see an easy correction to the problem. Perhaps some one there can offer some idea.

BTW, the first segment of the show was all about fraudulent billing of billions of dollars to Medicare and others for non-existent health in the name of folks who weren't even aware their names were being used to collect huge sums of money. I assume this is the area Obama is alluding to in regards to reducing costs while expanding coverage. WT

-- Posted by White Tornado on Tue, Oct 27, 2009, at 5:52 PM

Scarpetta, I think the answer depends on what kind of price the Doctor/Hospital has agreed to pay to this particular insurance company. That is exactly what the "public option" part of the health plan is supposed to do to "drive down costs" for you - the uninsured. And by being insured the Doctor/Hospital can afford to charge the uninsured less because the risk of not being paid is lower.

One thing I noticed while doing some on-line research on the subject of profit margins is that the people/companies that own the buildings that the Doctors and Hospitals rent make a very nice margin. Much more in line with the capitalist pig stereotype.

-- Posted by broke-n-busted on Tue, Oct 27, 2009, at 5:16 PM

I picked out one part of what that said:

"Ledgers tell a different reality." Where exactly did this information come from? What 'ledgers'? I only ask because I can make my 'ledger' say what ever I want you to know. I mean did this information come from Corporate Tax Returns? Or...? I didn't notice any sources cited.

For the record I don't think insurance companies are solely to blame for the health care situation. I think it falls more on other resources...the way I make sense of it is...the insurance company charges a price based on what they are charged. So based off what the hospital/doctor/clinic charges. The reform needs to come before the insurance company...yet also ensure once other aspects are altered...they can't keep their same prices.

Example: I wonder if...when I go to the doctor in Marshall if the insurance company and I pay the same office visit price. It cost me (un-insursed) $110 for an office visit...how much do you think the insurance company is billed for those with insurance.

-- Posted by Scarpetta on Tue, Oct 27, 2009, at 5:00 PM

That's the thing about facts, Wtf, they don't change by where they are printed. Politicians can wish they were different but, pesky things, they are what they are.

-- Posted by AF Brat on Tue, Oct 27, 2009, at 4:15 PM

Wtf - Try this one and see if it makes you more comfortable.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33470129/ns/...

-- Posted by broke-n-busted on Tue, Oct 27, 2009, at 3:26 PM

Thanks Eric!!

-- Posted by Scarpetta on Tue, Oct 27, 2009, at 2:57 PM

Sorry AF Brat,

I would take anything, absolutely anything that came from a FOX news source with a huge grain of salt.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Tue, Oct 27, 2009, at 2:56 PM

Those pesky facts again.

"Health insurance profit margins typically run about 6 percent, give or take a point or two. That's ANEMIC compared with other forms of insurance and a broad array of industries, even some beleaguered ones.

"Profits barely exceeded 2 percent of revenues in the latest annual measure. This partly explains why the credit ratings of some of the largest insurers were downgraded to negative... ."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/10/...

-- Posted by AF Brat on Tue, Oct 27, 2009, at 1:31 PM

NB,

Sorry to hear about the pneumonia. Is your back better w/the enforced rest caused by the pneumonia? I have no back pain after a night's rest. I walk over a mile each morning. By 2:30-3 p.m. It's "back". Cuppa tea, a rest in the Back Saver chair and it's better. If it is really bad, one Aleve. When the flare-up is really bad, my doctor usually prescribes water aerobics under the direction of trained physical therapists in a warm pool. I lift weights for upper body strength. Cannot use machines--they are so easy to use I overdo and make the back worse.

I'm w/your daughter--watch your step on that roof, especially if it is wet, icy or snowy.

Slater, hope you noted the Miami bridge web cam photo on this page. Great photo--reminds me of Monet's painting.

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Tue, Oct 27, 2009, at 11:01 AM

Has anyone heard when trick or treat on the square will be? I always enjoy taking the kids and seeing the local business support our community.

-- Posted by Scarpetta on Tue, Oct 27, 2009, at 9:36 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
It will be 5 to 6:30 p.m. Thursday, Oct. 29.

Tommob:

I agree I have had a job since before I was 16. I have never left one job before I had another one to go to, with exception of one lay-off I had no idea was coming. Even then I beat the bushes and was working in less than a month. I thought we were going to starve to death, in that month. My mom told me to go get food stamps. I applied and got some but couldn't go through with using them. I was too embarrassed. I mailed them back and sold my wedding ring and some furniture to get by.

-- Posted by litlmissme on Tue, Oct 27, 2009, at 5:12 AM

Hi Slater,

Yep stormy yesterday, cold and damp today. Sure wish we could send it somewhere else! Spread the joy :). It was cloudy for the meteor showers, but didn't attempt to watch it this time. You can walk from our 2nd story deck onto the roof of the garage and that is where I usually go to watch those events, much to my daughter's dismay. Darn, she just won't let me have any fun! She was really hollering at me during the Perseid's. I don't know why, a crazy mom, on the roof at 2:00 a.m...LOL! Oh well, I got in some of the show before she made me come inside! I won't be able to attend the Miami Bridge implosion, because the store will be open, but I hope someone posts a video.

Haven't even thought about halloween, or working on getting more community in here, or even my foot (which is better). I've had pneumonia for the past three weeks. Have been sleeping a lot! That's why I'm awake at this hour. I went back downstairs today and worked for the first time in 2 1/2 weeks and it wiped me out. So I closed at 4:00 and came up and slept some more! Certainly haven't thought about the stem cell issue for my back. Isn't it funny how sometimes you don't consider things for yourself that you do for others. Might have to research that!

Yes, your class was in the parade, just got a glimpse of them from a short distance as they pulled out from there line up as the parade began. Well...better sign off & rest some more.

-- Posted by nouveaublogger on Tue, Oct 27, 2009, at 1:26 AM

Howdy NB,

You all set for Halloween? I went to get a pumpkin, but it was too big to fit in the pickup. :)

So it's been stormy up there, eh? We've been receiving a fair amount of rain in recent weeks, for a change. The area lakes are still suffering (one is 48' below full).

I had a look at the viaduct dismantling video. Your old nemesis. I'm going to check out the MoDot site and see if there's a webcam link for the Miami bridge demolition. I watched the one at Glasgow, but, because of the railroad bridge running close to the auto bridge, I couldn't tell what was taking place.

Haven't been doing any star gazing, for a couple of reasons - one is that it's been overcast around here for a while, and the other is that I can't see the stars anyway. I guess it was clcudy yp there, too, during the big meteor shower the other day. The old neck is better and I might be fit to travel before too much longer.

How's the foot? Can you get it into shoes yet? I wonder if stem cells would improve your spinal condition any?

So you got out the soon-to-be-hot pink pickup for the parade, did you? You know, I didn't get a single report from any of my classmates about the parade. Maybe that wagon that was supposed to be available, wasn't. :)

Did your community menu project take hold this time, or are the citizens still thinking your place is for kids only?

-- Posted by Slater on Mon, Oct 26, 2009, at 10:55 PM

Thats exactly how it works tommob, I can remember a time 30 years ago that my wife applied for food stamps while I was working a min wage job with a two year old and I made four dollars to much to get help. The ones working and trying to do better will never get a break or help from our government. Now thirty years later I pay so many taxes dozens of deadbeats can collect off me, glad to help..

-- Posted by drop555 on Mon, Oct 26, 2009, at 6:58 PM

That's exactly how it works...Instead of helping people that are working and trying to make it on their own, they encourage you to quit your job, and live off of the taxpayers. I would much rather help someone that is trying, instead of giving it to the deadbeats that sit on their butts and just wait for the check in the mail. Something has got to give!

-- Posted by tommob on Mon, Oct 26, 2009, at 5:57 PM

Try this one on for size...

A young mother goes to apply for Medical Assistance for herself. She is married, has a young child, both her and her husband work. They can't afford traditional health insurance. All she needs is a form of birth control to keep her from getting pregnant. (now before too much is said she can't take traditional birth control so an IUD is needed).

She is told that for a family of 3 they are over the max income, therefore she does not qualify for medical assistance for this implant. However the nice lady telling her no, was nice enough to throw in "if you happen to get pregnant we will be happy to help you".

You gotta be kidding me...

-- Posted by Scarpetta on Mon, Oct 26, 2009, at 4:20 PM

Hey news across I guess you missed this when I asked the question before.

Can you give me a country that is run by the Marxist economy you think we need to use here so I can read up on it?

Thanks

-- Posted by Gal66 on Mon, Oct 26, 2009, at 11:44 AM

There was a good article in the KC Star on Saturday.

"No wonder the Obama administration wanted the House to finish work on its health care bill before the summer recess. The more people learn about the legislative blob slouching toward passage, the less they like it."

http://www.kansascity.com/275/story/1527...

-- Posted by AF Brat on Mon, Oct 26, 2009, at 9:01 AM

Hey there Slater.

What's up down your way? Has been stormy today, here. Been catching up on some paper work. How about that video of the Eastwood Bridge coming down? Also, I think they're going to implode the Miami bridge this coming week.

-- Posted by nouveaublogger on Mon, Oct 26, 2009, at 12:23 AM

Very quiet up that direction. Not even any old hooty-owls hooty-hooing to the doves?

-- Posted by Slater on Mon, Oct 26, 2009, at 12:10 AM

Those pesky economists.

"Defenders of a broad health insurance mandate argue that it will lower average costs in the health care market. The claim is that many of the uninsured are young, healthy or both, and that [forcing] them into the insurance pool might lower average premiums by spreading risk across low-cost groups. Yet Massachusetts has had a health insurance mandate for several years and this cost-saving mechanism does not appear to be kicking in.

"At this point, it seems more plausible that the cost of health insurance will keep rising, just as the costs of health care services have continued to climb. The upshot is that the burdens of mandatory purchase, the subsidy costs and the associated implicit marginal tax rates will all increase, eventually to the point of unsustainability. . . .

"As it stands, we're on the verge of enacting a policy that is due to explode, penalizing many of the very people that it was ostensibly designed to help."

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/25/health...

-- Posted by AF Brat on Sun, Oct 25, 2009, at 11:10 AM

No problem, glad I could help!!

-- Posted by Scarpetta on Sat, Oct 24, 2009, at 10:18 PM

Thanks Eric. I will zip you an email.

-- Posted by Scarpetta on Sat, Oct 24, 2009, at 8:35 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Thanks for your help. The video is fixed and so is the P&Z story.

I have a question...how much effort is gone into to make sure the names of people listed in the news paper (either in articles or on the videos) are done so correctly? I have noticed 2 in the past week that are spelled wrong. No they are not people facing criminal charges, so there is no police report to go off of...what sources are used.

Example:

In the video about the meeting about placement of the group homes...one man's last name is not spelled correctly.

-- Posted by Scarpetta on Sat, Oct 24, 2009, at 6:33 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Whenever possible, we check with the person or consult a phone book or city directory. If we make a mistake, we correct it -- if someone informs us which name and what the correct spelling is. 660-886-2233 or marshalleditor@socket.net.

According to the CDC, on Average.. 36,000 Americans die each year from the Common Flu. Only 477 have died from H1N1, which is more of a Spring time Flu bug.

http://www.empowher.com/news/herarticle/...

-- Posted by EiEiO on Sat, Oct 24, 2009, at 6:13 PM

A quote from MSNBC: "Because of swine flu vaccine production delays, THE GOVERNMENT has backed off initial, optimistic estimates that as many as 120 million vaccine doses would be available by mid-October. As of Wednesday, only 11 million doses had been shipped to health departments, doctor's offices and other providers across the country, CDC officials said (emphasis added)."

The single payer plan in action. Reassuring, isn't it?

-- Posted by AF Brat on Sat, Oct 24, 2009, at 4:47 PM

A quote from MSNBC: "Because of swine flu vaccine production delays, the government has backed off initial, optimistic estimates that as many as 120 million vaccine doses would be available by mid-October. As of Wednesday, only 11 million doses had been shipped to health departments, doctor's offices and other providers across the country, CDC officials said."

The rest of the article can be viewed here: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33459423/ns/...

-- Posted by broke-n-busted on Sat, Oct 24, 2009, at 2:58 PM

NotGivn,

Suggest to the school superintendent that the school arrange to have personnel come to the school and vaccinate all the students, unless it's the school who's telling you they're out of vaccine.

-- Posted by Slater on Sat, Oct 24, 2009, at 2:31 PM

Asia plans to 'lead the world' by 2015 with EU-like bloc of nations

http://rawstory.com/2009/10/asian-leader...

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Oct 24, 2009, at 2:09 PM

broke-n-busted

1.) You have no idea why these folks didn't get the swine flu shot. You are speculating. Nor do I know why they didn't.

2.) I certainly am not happy they are dead. You are reading far more into my comment than is actually there.

3.) I know all about the swine flu, mate. I had the swine flue last Winter. So did my wife. It almost killed us. I wish a swine flu vaccine had been available to us but at that time no vaccine had been processed yet to my knowledge.

My comment was sarcastic. To that I plead guilty, but after hearing conservatives all over the Country screaming that the vaccine was an "Obamaplot" to take over the World, I am not surprised at these deaths. I wonder how many of these 1000 heard that message over and over again from the neocons...n-e-o-c-o-n-s-e-r-v-a-t-i-v-e-s...and believed it? I wonder how many of these 1000 and the 1000's to come died or will die as a result of this recent conservative message? Finally, I have to wonder when conservatives will learn to accept responsibility for the crazy nonsense they manage to get into the mainstream media and into unsuspecting minds?

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Oct 23, 2009, at 11:12 PM

I'm not surprised, News, that you will lower yourself to a point of gloating over other peoples' deaths to prove your own point. I find it disgusting. To start with, many people do not have the option of getting a vaccination. The vaccine isn't available. My own kid is in the age group where they must have pre-existing conditions in order to qualify for the vaccine. So you make an outrageous comment like that and there are people that have lost their children to this virus and they never had access to the vaccine.

-- Posted by broke-n-busted on Fri, Oct 23, 2009, at 5:14 PM

"Republicans' approval ratings worst in 25 years"

http://rawstory.com/2009/10/republicans-...

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Oct 23, 2009, at 3:57 PM

"1,000 in U.S. have died from swine flu so far"

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33445376/ns/...

I bet that 1000 sure are glad they didn't get that swine flu shot!

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Oct 23, 2009, at 2:40 PM

RIP Soupy Sales.

-- Posted by broke-n-busted on Fri, Oct 23, 2009, at 7:55 AM

Reckon I've stirred the pot enuff tonight. Seems all the others in the Geezer Group have signed off for the night, s'pose I will too.

By the way NanaDot I'm thinkin that I'm usin the term Geezer very loosely when I include you. There oughter be some solace in the fact that you are so much the junior of mosta us. :)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Oct 23, 2009, at 12:08 AM

Yep, I concur upsedaisy, with the afterthought, is it really a brain drain when their brains have already been drained by that most superior siphon, greed?

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Oct 22, 2009, at 11:56 PM

NanaDot speaking of Thanksgiving it is my understanding that the White House turkey is at peril this year.

Obama mentioned in some puff piece interview that yes he was going to pardon the Turkey this year, no change on that. Senate Republicans heard that, and countered that they were definitely going to say no to that.

You gotta give it the Republicans in that they are consistent on wanting to turn back the clock. I haven't heard so many "just say no" declarations since Nancy Reagan, and her astrologer had everyone in the party saying it in regard to the WAR ON DRUGS.

A lot of us are concerned that the twin wars in Iraq, and Afghanistan have lasted so long with so little success. I can't understand our lack of patience. After all we have been patiently accepting the War on Drugs which has hardly changed the percentage of people using illegal drugs in fifty years. Talk about lack of success.

Thank goodness it is so easy to get a prescription for mind or mood altering drugs or there would be even more self prescribing the illegal ones.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Oct 22, 2009, at 11:39 PM

Hey OKR,

I could just imagine your thoughts when the Wall Street denizen was saying that cutting executive pay would result in a "brain drain" at the firms. Since they were the brains behind the problems I thought, "don't let the door bang you on your way out".

Monday's WSJ front page had a pic from 2004 of a smiling Henry Paulson w/ a smiling Raj Rajaratnam, founder of the Galleon group. Much less to smile about these days.

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Thu, Oct 22, 2009, at 11:31 PM

Hi Slater and Nanadot: Still moving plants in from the cold, I'm looking for beasties before I pick them up:) It was a big mantis, but not big enough to carry me off:)

NC lost:(

Switched to Charlie Rose, he's interviewing a very smart man--an OLD man--Lee Kuan Yew, former prime minister of Singapore.

His goal was to give every Singaporean a good life, a good education.

Nanadot I've enjoyed your thoughts on health care, thanks for sharing your keen mind.

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Thu, Oct 22, 2009, at 11:18 PM

Howdy all. Couldn't say that until you got back Upsedaisy.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Oct 22, 2009, at 11:14 PM

Upsedaisy, how good it is to see you again! Your silence had us brainstorming a strategy for extricating you from that pot you stepped in when the mantis grabbed onto you, but we're happy that no plan has to be implemented. :)

I suppose this time of year calls for donning a wetsuit when going beachcombing? Or at least warm clothing?

I may be forced to put on socks this winter, if the weather lives up to the forecast.

-- Posted by Slater on Thu, Oct 22, 2009, at 10:41 PM

OKR & Slater: Thanks for your concern. I am alive and well. I've kept up w/the commentary, but have been busy. "Time flies--whether you are having fun or not."

No snow, but last week's temps provided nearly record breaking lows. The temps were so low going to bed well before midnight as Slater reminds us seemed especially wise. I live in the Southeast now so the eastern time zone has me checking out at 9:30 p.m. CDT.

Speaking of Florida, Mr. Bowden is up here w/FL state. For someone who will be 80 in November, his team is still in the game at the beginning of the 4th quarter. FL 20-NC 24. Go Heels.

Hope the Tigers make a dream come true and whup TX. Mr. Brown left Carolina 'bout 12 years ago and we have not forgotten.

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Thu, Oct 22, 2009, at 9:57 PM

Missy, he's in second place at the moment, way ahead of the pack (including Mr. Longhorn). I'll vote as many times as is allowed (maybe like the MDN polls). :)

Thanks for the link!

-- Posted by Slater on Thu, Oct 22, 2009, at 6:43 PM

As reported in MDN --

MU's Gregory finalist for national award

http://www.marshallnews.com/story/158099...

University of Missouri guard Kurtis Gregory of Blackburn is among 10 finalists for the Lowe's Senior CLASS Award.

The finalists are placed on a nationwide ballot for fan voting. Votes can be cast until Dec. 6 on the award web site at http://www.seniorclassaward.com or by texting FOOTBALL to 74567.

Please vote for Kurtis!!!

-- Posted by missy08 on Thu, Oct 22, 2009, at 5:55 PM

I was catching up on the Super Bowl halftime entertainment from the past three or four, and when I came to this one I thought about our president and how fitting this tune is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eW91-5TC...

-- Posted by Slater on Thu, Oct 22, 2009, at 5:55 PM

Does anyone know why Upsedaisy has dropped off the blog? I hope that all is well with her, and that she is just on vacation. Perhaps she is snowbirding in Florida?

I understand that condos there are unusually cheap this year. The thought occurs to me that the condo owners might be so desperate that they will even lease to a vagrant as along as he contractually agrees to not start fires on the condo floor. Others may be even more desperate, agreeing to lease to a vagrant only if he promises to start fires on the condo floor.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Oct 21, 2009, at 11:43 PM

These ARE ironic times. http://www.ironictimes.com/

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Oct 21, 2009, at 11:24 PM

B-N-B

Ho, Ho, ho. What you are shown by the candidate, isn't what you get from the victorious politician. Don't they ALL lie?

-- Posted by AF Brat on Wed, Oct 21, 2009, at 11:11 PM

LOL http://www.newsweek.com/id/218233

-- Posted by broke-n-busted on Wed, Oct 21, 2009, at 9:34 PM

tommob, I'm curious how you got this bit of information. Don't misunderstand...I agree that it isn't fair. Life has never been "fair", but how did you find out how many inmates have HIV & what the cost is???

-- Posted by tcn on Wed, Oct 21, 2009, at 5:03 PM

I can tell you part of the reason Healthcare is so expensive. I found out yesterday that we have inmates receiving HIV medicine to the tune of 20,000 dollars a month at the Boonville Correction Center. THere are 8 of them so that adds up tp 160,000 dollars a month for the 8 inmates. That is something law abiding citizens would have to do without. What is up with that? AND..why do the elderly have to choose whether they want to eat or have their medicine?

-- Posted by tommob on Wed, Oct 21, 2009, at 12:24 PM

Another posted: "If it has to be about politics why hasn't the GOP offered a single worthwhile alternative?"

ACTUALLY THEY HAVE but those in control of the process (Democrats) won't allow the proposals to see the light of day. The Republicans couldn't get committee hearings on their proposals, their amendments proposed in committee were defeated on party line votes (and the MSM didn't report those attempts at change) and, in this case, the special House rule under which the Obamacare bill came up allowed no floor amendments.

Here's a place to start looking for those proposals: http://barackobamaexperiment.com/gop-hea....

If you care to be fair, you can Google it as well as I.

As I said before, if you really want low prices (and therefore wide access), federally preempt state regulation and allow EVERY insurer to COMPETE in EVERY state (not Blue Cross alone in Alabama, for example). That would take a one-sentence Congressional amendment, no government control, and no additional bureaucracy. It could be enacted tomorrow. Yes, tomorrow by a bipartisan majority in each chamber.

-- Posted by AF Brat on Wed, Oct 21, 2009, at 12:02 PM

Scarpetta,

You hit the nail on the head. Instead of "how do we pay" for health care the real question should be "why is it so !@#$%^! expensive in the first place"?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Oct 21, 2009, at 11:08 AM

Man I am still waiting on that name and number of that awesome insurance company...maybe the comment got deleted. Did anyone see it? I hate that I missed it. :(

Oh more on the health care issue. I had to take a trip to the University in Columbia for an appointment. I just recently got my bill. It says because I don't have insurance my bill was automatically adjusted by 25%. It goes on to say...if I pay in full within 30 days I can save an additional 20%. Now...it made me think. If the hospital can spare 45% because I don't have insurance...why must they charge the big insurance company so much.

-- Posted by Scarpetta on Wed, Oct 21, 2009, at 10:33 AM

I encourage everyone to take a drive/walk down Eastwood Street. It's so gorgeous right now! The trees are splendid!

-- Posted by Green Eyes on Wed, Oct 21, 2009, at 8:40 AM

For those interested.

Here is Ike's site:

http://www.house.gov/skelton/index.shtml

Read his thoughts on healthcare and join me in leaving him a message with your thoughts.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Oct 21, 2009, at 6:33 AM

I am very dissappointed with Ike.

From his site:

"the government option could have the unintended consequence of forcing private health insurance providers out of business."

So what? Why should we worry about them when they are clearly not worried about us. We have to change our healthcare provider at work almost every year because one of our coworkers had the audacity to need thier services. In return they jack our rates through the roof and we have to look elswhere to maintain some sort of affordable "coverage". I use the term "coverage" with tounge placed firmly in cheek.

Ike also said:

"I cannot support a reform measure that allows federal funding for abortion services"

Is that in there? I remember the president specifically mentioning that federal funding will not be used for abortions.

Ike old buddy, I've voted for you since I have been voting but that may come to an end. I always thought you had our back but your concern about insurance companies would have made me sick but I can't afford it.

OK Reader nailed it. Everyone only gives a **** about themselves. I'll even admit that there have been times where I have been guilty of that as well. I'm not proud of it and I am willing to try to change that. Anyone else with me?

I don't know. Maybe the only way to get good coverage is not to buy insurance policies, but to instead buy insurance stock and use the dividends to pay for your healthcare. At least they can't deny your dividends.

This is shameful. If it has to be about politics why hasn't the GOP offered a single worthwhile alternative? That would go along away next election cycle and it would at least have the appearance that they give a ****. This should be about the health and well being of our fellow man. WHERE ARE ALL THE CHRISTIANS? We have been reminded ad naseum that this is a "Christian" nation. Where are you? Why are you not banding together with a massive movement to demand healthcare reform? Are you being told that all reform will do is fund abortions? Who would Jesus deny?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Oct 21, 2009, at 6:19 AM

First BNIC (big nasty insurance companies)denied coverage to a baby that weighs too much. Now BNIC is denying coverage (also in Colorado) to a baby that weighs too little.

It is time we took their weight charts, rolled them, and shoved them.

If they refuse to insure the American people, all the American people, then give the business to some one who can. Simply extend Medicare to everyone. The only ones who would be out of work are the fat cats at the top of BNIC. The rest would still work because there would be even more claims to process etc.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Oct 21, 2009, at 12:27 AM

NanaDot: I read it. He says it. It is obvious Ike is either in the pocket of the health industry, or is swapping his vote agin it for a return back scratch from another Blue Dog.

It is too bad that some one doesn't run as an Independent, or an Independent Democrat against the candidates of both major parties. Although I haven't lived in the district for over forty years I would gladly send such a candidate (one who was flat out for single payer) some of my chump change. Why? Because I still care about the health of the people in my old home; something not indicated by either candidate.

Why can't people see that it is an embarassment that this rich nation does not provide universal health care when others with half our material resources do? Is it because no one gives a **** about anyone but themselves? How else could a morally virtuos person say I will not vote for someone who says that we must have unuversal health care?

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Oct 21, 2009, at 12:10 AM

Joe Bageant gives em hell. http://www.joebageant.com/joe/2009/10/ra...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Oct 20, 2009, at 11:42 PM

If any of you is an astronomy buff, tomorrow night will be an excellent night for viewing celestial propagation. We're passing through the tail of Halley's Comet, and plenty of activity is anticipated. Here's a good info file on the meteor shower coming tomorrow night:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/...

-- Posted by Slater on Tue, Oct 20, 2009, at 5:48 PM

Slater. So long ago. (But only a whisper in time.) I have downloaded the first music file and listened to it on my computer. I was surprised at some of the titles. I need to get it burned onto a disk so I can listen to it on a better sound system. Maybe I can filter out some of the static. I also saw that you have the other file up now and I will get it downloaded too but life is a little busy today. Won't even have time to talk to News about my conversion ;}

Thanks for sharing these treasures.

-- Posted by broke-n-busted on Tue, Oct 20, 2009, at 4:45 PM

Another photo of the Quarry Men: Paul McCartney, John Lennon, Rod Davis, and an unidentified person, taken around 1958 or 1959, possibly by the brother of Paul McCartney:

http://www.beatlesource.com/savage/1950s...

-- Posted by Slater on Tue, Oct 20, 2009, at 1:55 PM

Hey news across can you give me a country that is run by the Marxist economy you think we need to use here so I can read up on it?

Thanks

-- Posted by Gal66 on Tue, Oct 20, 2009, at 1:55 PM

Here's the other link to the Quarrymen for the period 1960-1961 for anyone interested:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/jwg1wl

BNB,

Check out this photo :)

http://www.dmbeatles.com/pictures/0004.j...

-- Posted by Slater on Tue, Oct 20, 2009, at 1:48 PM

woot woo!!! Let me jump in all this political BS to point out that it looks like I will be dining on BBQ PIT STOP hopefully tonite. I see the drive thru is open!! YES!!

-- Posted by wheresthelove on Tue, Oct 20, 2009, at 1:06 PM

Why is Israel spying on us...again?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33386639/ns/...

Why are we tolerating our so-called "ally" spying on us?

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Oct 20, 2009, at 12:59 AM

Refreshing change in policy from the prior administration: http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/1...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Oct 19, 2009, at 11:52 PM

Hi NanaDot,

You make a good point.

Hey do you know what the top richest Americans (10% of the population) got from this economic collapse? You know, the folks responsible for the collapse? They got billions in bonuses...compliments of the folks who work for a living.

Yeah...that's fair.

Like always, the rich get the gold and We the People get the shaft, but that is exactly what capitalism is designed to do.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Oct 19, 2009, at 11:08 PM

broke-n-busted

AA has an interesting definition of the word "insanity."

They define it as doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

We can do better than a broken form of economics. We don't have to keep doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Oct 19, 2009, at 10:44 PM

I'll give it all the time it takes. I was simply responding to a comment from News about high unemployment being the new norm. It was in an article on MSNBC which of course makes it gospel. I firmly believe what I said. If our government is satisfied with high unemployment being the new norm then it may well be the new norm. Won't do much for getting re-elected though. I would much prefer the Obama we saw running for office saying "yes we can". It showed leadership and direction and we haven't seen it since he was elected. Too bad - we need leadership.

-- Posted by broke-n-busted on Mon, Oct 19, 2009, at 10:08 PM

broke-n-busted,

I once had a car that did not run. It did not run because the engine was irreparably damaged. It was the norm for that car to not run after awhile. I eventually sold it for scrap.

High Unemployment began in 2007 under George Bush and rose steadily as the economic collapse grew ever closer and yes I voted for the least of 2 evils. I hope to see more socialist candidates in the field next year.

I have no doubt that like FDR, Obama will attempt to solve the problem ultimately with regulation. It might work for awhile too. However, cycles of boom and bust are the norm for capitalism because, much like my old car's engine, capitalism doesn't work. That is why it keeps collapsing. And now it looks like the jobs that are gone will be gone forever.

In a scientifically planned economy, everybody that can work...does work. There is no such thing as unemployment in such a system. So we don't have to settle for unemployment and we don't have to settle for the current, failed economic system.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Oct 19, 2009, at 10:02 PM

BNB,

What the hell did you expect? This ball started rolling long before Pres. Obama took office. We live in a microwave society and we expect everything right now. These things take time. Give it time.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Mon, Oct 19, 2009, at 9:59 PM

Well News you voted for change and here it is. Higher unemployment doesn't have to be the new norm but if our leaders just roll over and say that is what is normal then that is what we will get. A little leadership would go a long way at this point.

-- Posted by broke-n-busted on Mon, Oct 19, 2009, at 8:58 PM

correction:

in my previous comment I said "...rags to riches..." I meant "richest to rags."

sorry for an confusion this error may have caused.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Oct 19, 2009, at 8:55 PM

broke-n-busted,

You say that democratic Marxism will never come to America...well mate that will be up to the majority.

In economics we have a thing we call "3rd Class Coach Theory." This theory holds that when things get bad enough and the majority have nothing left to lose but their lives, they will gladly give that as long as they can take their opposition with them.

In short, when things get bad enough and folks get hungry enough...lots of things change and change quickly. We have only to look at the empirical evidence to see that this is true. In the French Revolution the King, all the nobility, and all of the aristocracy learned first hand how quickly one can go from rags to riches in a very short time when the People decide they are done suffering. In addition, we see the same exact things occur in the Russian, the Chinese, and the Iranian Revolutions. In fact, even in our history we need look no further back to our own Great Depression I to see that even in the USA the People decide what will be. You might say that FDR saved captitalism or at least that is what he intended to do. He thought capitalism could be controlled...it can't be...but he thought it could be controlled through regulation. Now we have another collapse of our system...and now they are telling us high unemployment is the new norm. So how much worse might it get? I guess the question is not if the American People will demand a new deal, but rather when?

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Oct 19, 2009, at 8:48 PM

Well thanks for asking mate - even though you come across as very condescending when you put it that way. You seem to enjoy that because you have posed that question to others the same way. Capitalism has worked well for me. My moniker has nothing to do with my financial condition or employment situation. I am not as wealthy as the Wall Street people think they need to be but years ago I discovered a sort of inner peace that allowed me to stop chasing money and live a simpler life without many of the imagined "needs" that so many chase. So while I am not filthy rich or even just plain rich I have everything I need and a bunch of things I just wanted and I have sense enough to know the difference between the two. Are there things I would personally change about Capitalism? You bet. (I think first off I would spell it with an "o" because I always have to go back and change it.) Seriously, there is no call for so many people making millions, even billions, while others just barely get by or do without basics like food and clothing. I don't know that Socialism would fix that but I'm not going to worry about it because I won't live long enough to see it in this country. I understand the difference but Socialism is equated with Communism here and it might as well be devil worshipping. Mate, dat dog don't hunt.

-- Posted by broke-n-busted on Mon, Oct 19, 2009, at 8:22 PM

broke-n-busted,

No, it means I am able to intelligently discuss the science of economics with a credible level of competency.

As an American it is my right to argue for what I believe to be the best economy that we can have. As an American it is my right to comment on the subject. You certainly don't have to agree with me. You have the right to argue for the economic system you think is best for our Nation also.

By the way, how is that capitalism working out for ya there mate?

"High jobless rates could be the new normal"

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33384835/ns/...

Ya know, it sounds like they are trying to tell you to get used to high unemployment. Sounds like they might be saying "just accept it." Well...we don't have to accept it. In a democracy the majority decides. The People don't have to accept anything they don't like...ever.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Oct 19, 2009, at 7:21 PM

Oh. A BBA from MTSU - that's where you received the knowledge required to completely redesign the American economic system. Now I understand.

-- Posted by broke-n-busted on Mon, Oct 19, 2009, at 5:06 PM

midmocat,

I read your comment...its a load of hogwash.

I will be brief in my corrections of your errors.

1.) My qualifications: I hold a Bachelor of Business Administration with double-majors in Accounting and Economics, Middle Tennessee State University, Class of '91. I think its fair to say I know a little something about economic systems.

2.) Yes I pay taxes in America. All ex-pats are required to pay annual Federal income taxes on any income earned overseas above $82,000.00 a year. I also pay State property taxes on my home in Independence each year in addition to State sales tax when I am there in Missouri.

3.) Of course I vote in every Missouri/American election. I am an American citizen and I maintain a residence in Independence where I usually vote by absentee ballot.

4.) Under the economic system I propose, a Marxist economy (with a democratic government...our Government), there would no taxes...none...zip...zilch. There would be no income tax, no sales tax, no property tax, and no inheritance tax...no taxes of any kind. In a Marxist economy all public expenses are paid from Net National Product.

5.) The goal of a Marxist economy is economic equality and a rich, productive society in which the People, every member of society, enjoy equal benefit of their labors. In a Nation like the USA this would mean a considerably better lifestyle for most Americans and a reduced lifestyle for the top 10%...the rich fat cats. In a Marxist economy there are no poor and no rich. Everybody benefits from the economy equally.

6.) Voter "tests" are unlawful and the Supreme Court has ruled them to be unconstitutional. There will be no voter tests as midmocat would have us endure.

7.) I have a great deal at stake in my Country...the United States of America. As much or more than midmocat does. I am an American citizen...born and bred in the U.S. of A! I own property in the U.S.A.. I own investments in the U.S.A.. My parents live in America. My grown children live in America. My entire family lives in America. Oh I have interests in the USA midmocat...economic and otherwise.

8.) I do work midmocat...if ya want to call it work (lol). I am a musician. I am also financially independent...that means that my wife and I have enough wealth to continue our middle class lifestyle till the day we die with no problem. However, if I was poor I certainly would not be ashamed of it. The poor in America do the hardest, filthiest, least desirable jobs in America. They work very hard and very long hours typically and just to keep a few bread crumbs on the table. I admire the poor. No matter how difficult their lives -- difficulties created by a failed capitalist economic system -- they carry on with their lives. The poor are the true heroes of our society...our Working Class heroes!!

I think those corrections have covered most of your errors midmocat.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Oct 19, 2009, at 4:23 PM

Look at what this guy has to do to afford his wife's chemo:

http://www.jsonline.com/news/wisconsin/6...

-- Posted by What the f...... on Mon, Oct 19, 2009, at 4:01 PM

Midmocat,

I'll put up MSNBC against FOX news any day of the week and twice on sunday.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Mon, Oct 19, 2009, at 3:59 PM

Midmocat:

I couldn't have said it better myself. I wonder why Newsacross elects to live over there. Must like Socialism.

-- Posted by waterman7622 on Mon, Oct 19, 2009, at 3:51 PM

If you TRUST government to run health care, consider this recent performance.

"So you thought easy-money mortgages with little or no down payment for people with bad credit was a thing of the past? Think again.

"You can get just such a loan today - and it's guaranteed by the federal government.

"Loans insured by the Federal Housing Administration (FHA) have become "the new subprime," and these loans are exposing taxpayers to the same kinds of soaring default rates and losses that brought down Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac as well as destroyed many banks and the private market for mortgage loans. * * *

"The significant expansion and liberalization of FHA's loan programs is enabling Americans to go back to many of the same bad credit practices that analysts say were at the root of the housing crisis, likely feeding further waves of default and foreclosure. * * *

"'The FHA's portfolio is exploding and THE TAXPAYER is now on the hook for 100 PERCENT of the losses,'... ."

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009...

-- Posted by AF Brat on Mon, Oct 19, 2009, at 1:40 PM

Hey there Slater,

Keep watching...MDN will probably post pictures of the Homecoming Parade and/or a you tube video might turn up. How's the star-gazing? Neck any better?

-- Posted by nouveaublogger on Sun, Oct 18, 2009, at 10:26 PM

Thanks for the word, BNB. One of my boyhood pals was in that class, and I'll be hearing all about it once they get back home to NJ in a few days.

I hope the weather was decent.

-- Posted by Slater on Sun, Oct 18, 2009, at 8:41 PM

Slater, I saw the class of '59 in the parade. There were a lot of participants, more than the other 2 classes ('84 and '89) combined. I was highly impressed with their turnout.

-- Posted by born-n-raised on Sun, Oct 18, 2009, at 8:05 PM

Any news on the woman who totaled a car on Benton street Friday night?

-- Posted by speedfingers on Sun, Oct 18, 2009, at 4:13 PM

Well, the Slater Public Schools gave up its band program, and, judging by a few of the scores I've received, perhaps it would be time to give up its football program as well. :(

I see the Owls didn't fare well against Jefferson City for its Homecoming night. Does anyone know if the MHS class of '59 reunion bunch got into the parade?

-- Posted by Slater on Sun, Oct 18, 2009, at 2:40 PM

broke-n-busted

Your comments seem to refer to employee motivation. I am very pleased we have the opportunity to discuss this very important subject.

First let's update on what we know about human management in the modern work place.

The notion that only money motivates the worker is rooted in Taylor' Scientific Method of Management Theory. This was the prevailing thought amongst sociologists, most employers, and the general public throughout most of the 19th Century and part of the 20th century until it was disproved in the Westinghouse Study of 1923.

At that point new understandings in human behavior established the modern approach to management, Human Behviorlist Management Theory, which recognizes that humans are motivated by far more than money and often find value of accomplishment measured in ways defined in more intangible terms. This certainly explains why one person chooses to be a doctor rather than a plumber. It certainly can't be the money, because a hardworking, licensed plumber willing to put in the time can make as much or more than any doctor who is a practicing GP. Both are highly lucrative fields. Both provide much needed services. Both are perfectly honorable occupations. Yet the doctor chooses medicine, and most GPs and other medical professionals would probably tell you they went in to medicine motivated primarily by a desire to treat and heal disease and injuries of people in an effort to help them.

In capitalism, the Taylor Scientific method of motivation to get anyone to work at all seems to rely on the threat of slow starvation. Yet we know that the emperical evidence suggests there are much better and more constructive forms of motivations.

In a Marxist economy many benefits are paid out publically. Ultimately, the idea is the public's direct, democratic participation in how the 3 questions of Allocation, Technology, and Equity are answered. Thus most of the benefits of an increases in NNP (Net National Product) are distributed by public means such as free, or nearly free, public transportation or perhaps by low cost or even free residential power and other utilities...or some other form of public equity distrbution.

If for example, as in a case that you were...oh, say a manufactuing employee of a hypothetical shoe plant. You and your fellow employees would also be co-ownwers of that shoe company. You would have a direct say, an equal voice in every aspect of how those shoes are produced to how they are sold and what happens to any profits. That would be your right along with the other owner/employees. If you work more productively, your company would profit from the increased productivity and these profits would be distributed in a fair and democraticaly determined method by you and your co-owner/employees. You might vote to build an indoor pool and fitness club right next to your factory for free use by you, the other employee/owners, and their families, as well as the local public who also helped your factory profit indirectly.

Of course that is only one possible form of compensation for your increased productivity...in addition to being able to take pride in what you accomplished. The important thing is that it is the people there at your factory -- you and your partners -- who receive the direct benefit of your labors...instead of concentrating that wealth ito the pockets of just one person "Mr. Major Stockholder Fat-Cat Up on the Hill" who would be the main beneficiary of your hard work in a capitalist eonomy. In a scientifically planned economy, everyone benefits from increased productivity and thus everyone has strong motivation to increase productivity.

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Oct 17, 2009, at 11:29 PM

I put the tracks into a zip file.

Glad to do it. :)

-- Posted by Slater on Sat, Oct 17, 2009, at 9:00 PM

Here's the download link:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/uua9w9

-- Posted by Slater on Sat, Oct 17, 2009, at 8:58 PM

I have a DSL connection. Mostly I was just trying to limit the amount of time you were spending posting them for me. I wouldn't want you to spend the time and then I can't open them for one reason or another. I appreciate your effort and thoughtfulness.

-- Posted by broke-n-busted on Sat, Oct 17, 2009, at 8:55 PM

I think you'd enjoy listening to them both, but if you want me to pick one, I'd rather see you have the larger file with the most tunes. What type connection do you have?

I could always copy them to a disc and maybe mail it to the newspaper office and you could drop by there and pick it up sometime if that would work better.

I only offer this because I know you're a Beatles fan. I wouldn't be trying to push stuff off on you just to be doing it. :)

I'll go ahead and upload one and post the link here, and if you want to mess with it, it'll be there, but I'd be happy to put them on a disc.

-- Posted by Slater on Sat, Oct 17, 2009, at 8:24 PM

News you better get that scientific plan right. I've busted my a** all my life and have always been employed and productive but if you put me in the middle of a bunch of people that don't produce and give me the same life-sustaining income that they get I will be sure to produce no more than they do. Make no more improvements than they do. Show up to work no more than they do. Give a darn no more than they do. Now that sounds like economic growth to me.

-- Posted by broke-n-busted on Sat, Oct 17, 2009, at 8:13 PM

Slater thank you very much for the offer. I have heard of the Beatles being the Quarrymen and seem to recall listening to a few songs that they did years ago but it was just at a friends house in passing and I have no real memory of the songs. How about picking your favorite of the two and posting a link and I will see if my computer possesses the ability and if I have the capability (or is that the other way around?) to retrieve the tunes.

-- Posted by broke-n-busted on Sat, Oct 17, 2009, at 8:02 PM

If not they need to. I do not care about the studies they had done, that is a dangerous intersection. Even a flashing light would be great

-- Posted by Mrs.BtoU on Sat, Oct 17, 2009, at 7:32 PM

Another car accident at 240&Odell from what I heard it was worse than last Mondays accident.Now will a stop light go up.We shall see huh.

-- Posted by nanaof5 on Sat, Oct 17, 2009, at 6:51 PM

broke-n-busted,

I feel quite certain that if UPS was at all concerned with getting folks back to work they would go ahead and reduce their profits and use those revenues to add new employment positions. After all, we are in an economic depression and, using a capitalist economic model, we know that the only way out is to dramatically increase consumption. The only way to do that is to increase employment.

Perhaps big corporations like UPS are only concerned with maximizing profits, and that is one of the problems with capitlism. Under capitalism, profits come before people. in fact, under capitalism people are just nother resource of prodution.

In a scientificlly planned economy, people's needs are the primary focus...not profits. A scientifically planned economy leaves nothing to chance. In such an economy full use of labor resources is included in the plan. A scientifically planned economy is one that operates at full employment...100% full time jobs that are designed to maximize production while providing every worker with good, bread-winning, family-supporting wages.

While an economic model exists that would successfuly answer the 3 main questions of every economy, we choose, as a society, to ignore that model and instead use a far less efficient model that is designed only with the intent of concentrating the bulk of society's wealth into the hands of the few, very richest folks at the top. While the capitalist propaganda may make that sound like it would be a pretty picture, it in fact attempts to hide the disatorous effects upon the mass of common folks who are the overwhelming majority of our society. It leaves a hell of a lot folks unemployed and struggling to maintain a bare existance.

One of these days perhaps folks will tire of the continual cycle of capitalist boom and bust. Perhaps one day folks will tire of utilizing an economic model that leaves the poorest doing the hardest, least desirable work and enjoying the least benefit. Perhaps one day we will recognize that capitalim is a failed economic model that should go the way of its predecessor...fuedalism.

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Oct 17, 2009, at 6:03 PM

BNB, do you possess any records by the Beatles when they were known as the Quarrymen? I came across a couple of records covering the periods 1957-1960, and 1960-1961.

Most of the tunes are from home tapes, so the audio quality isn't the greatest, but they're interesting to hear.

I can put them up on a web hosting service for you if you don't have them, haven't heard these, or are interested in hearing them.

I'd then post the download links here. The file sizes are approx. 48mb and 54mb. You'd need a zip or rar extracter to open.

-- Posted by Slater on Sat, Oct 17, 2009, at 5:25 PM

Slater I shipped 4 packages USPS Priority Mail last week. A very good service and often the best price.

News I don't go to UPS they come by and pick up the package. I'm sure they will be more than happy to put more people to work when they have the need for them. It is how they make money.

Oklahoma Reader it is very good to confirm that people that don't always agree can agree to get along. I'm going to talk to my wife about that.

-- Posted by broke-n-busted on Sat, Oct 17, 2009, at 9:20 AM

While on my way to Columbia yesterday, taking Highway 240, I looked into a field, and saw a rare sight. I saw a young Bald Eagle standing in the field along with 2 or 3 crows. What a time to leave the camera at home, huh? Oh well, it was an interesting sight.

-- Posted by ieatsuperglue on Sat, Oct 17, 2009, at 5:57 AM

Yep, Snow with an E. See I told you I was noddin off.

I think he worked to hard, and conceded too much to get one stinken vote from the Republicans. He was tryin for two with the other Maine (with an E)Senator, but couldn't swing it.

I wish he would have come out with his guns blazing, demanding single payer, using his bully pulpit to its full extent. Then start compromising from that point. You do not bargain by conceding halh of the ground before bartering starts.

I think there would have been enough pressure from the Progressive/Democratic citizenry to make the Blue Dogs think twice.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Oct 17, 2009, at 1:18 AM

Okay, don't tump over onto the floor. :) Later.

-- Posted by Slater on Sat, Oct 17, 2009, at 1:16 AM

Gotta hang it up as I am nodding off in my chair.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Oct 17, 2009, at 1:08 AM

Are you talking about Snowe being viewed as a swing vote?

-- Posted by Slater on Sat, Oct 17, 2009, at 1:07 AM

My response was entirely too vague, but I could not resist the pun you set up for me.

I think that there will be some sort of watered down triggered by who knows what circumstances Public Option. A very weak one, that will not serve our real needs.

I think our President made a strategic mistake by letting Olympia Snow call the shot.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Oct 17, 2009, at 1:03 AM

I heard Pelosi shooting her mouth off about it, and that automatically made me think it's all talk.

-- Posted by Slater on Sat, Oct 17, 2009, at 1:00 AM

Had to go out to smoke my bed time butt, sorry for the delayed response.

I think it is a Snow job. :)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Oct 17, 2009, at 12:55 AM

You do a lot more reading than me, so, what are you seeing about the possibility that a public option might end up in the final reform effort?

-- Posted by Slater on Sat, Oct 17, 2009, at 12:43 AM

I had the same thought earlier. Maybe she's out playing in the snow up there. :)

Well, I do hope she's okay.

-- Posted by Slater on Sat, Oct 17, 2009, at 12:39 AM

I wonder what's up with Upsedaisy? Haven't seen an appearance by her for awhile. I hope things are o.k. with her.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Oct 17, 2009, at 12:37 AM

The cat's already mad at me for stepping on her a while ago, and my wife has returned from the northwest, so that makes the dog happy. The minute she walked in the door he stopped paying attention to me. He knows who'll let him get away with stuff. :)

-- Posted by Slater on Sat, Oct 17, 2009, at 12:35 AM

Yep, I'm just ridin' the storm out, waiting for the latest one to flame out, or be booted out.

There's been an awful lot of sourness displayed on here in recent weeks, and that's pretty sad.

As you say, all of us should be banding together for our own good, but I won't be holding my breath.

-- Posted by Slater on Sat, Oct 17, 2009, at 12:31 AM

BTW you are getting zero hours sleep before midnight. You'll probably be such a grumpy old f--t tomorrow that neither your dog, nor your cat will be able to put up with you.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Oct 17, 2009, at 12:30 AM

Slater have you noticed how things heat up on the blog when we get an antagonist stirring things? That is good...up to a point. It seems like it always goes to the antagonist's head, they burn us out, they burn themselves out, both about the same time.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Oct 17, 2009, at 12:26 AM

I'm not an OU fan, but I'd like to see Bradford make monkeys out of Mack Brown and his "Longhorns."

UT is favored by 3.

-- Posted by Slater on Sat, Oct 17, 2009, at 12:21 AM

Nope, no more rain here for a week or so, he says. We've had around 16-17 inches since the first of September, so our water supply is looking better.

Maybe we'll see a few snowflakes this winter, he mentioned tonight. The local forecast is for a colder and wetter winter (thank you, LaNina!)!!

-- Posted by Slater on Sat, Oct 17, 2009, at 12:17 AM

BOOMER...............SOONER!

Much as I hate it gotta go Texas by 14.

Tigers V. Okie Aggies? Toss up....pick em.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Oct 17, 2009, at 12:17 AM

I see the Cowboys are favored by a touchdown over the Tigers tomorrow night.

I won't be watching. Fair weather fan, you know. :)

MU basketball began practicing this evening at 501pm.

And there you have it! Sports in brief.

-- Posted by Slater on Sat, Oct 17, 2009, at 12:13 AM

Still rainin' in San Anton? Ain't really let up here in a week...til today.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Oct 17, 2009, at 12:13 AM

Just logged on, just got caught up. BNB, I have always respected your opinions, I think you are a good citizen, and I gladly accept your friendship. I don't always agree with you, but often do. Too bad all liberals,and conservatives can't do the same. Our country would be the better for it.

My point in posting the comments about the Republican party was not to chastise conservatives, but rather to urge them to think about where they are, and where they are going.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Oct 17, 2009, at 12:09 AM

Howdy Pard :) What's new?

-- Posted by Slater on Sat, Oct 17, 2009, at 12:02 AM

Evenin Slater.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Oct 16, 2009, at 11:53 PM

Any geezers still up and about?

-- Posted by Slater on Fri, Oct 16, 2009, at 11:44 PM

BNB,

I recently sent a package from here (San Antonio) to St. Charles, MO via USPS Priority Mail, 2nd day delivery for $14.00. The parcel was something like 9" x 12" x 6" and weighed approx. 4 pounds. UPS wanted $69.00 for 3rd day delivery.

I hope you'll be doing better than I would have done had I given the package to UPS.

HEY, YOU HOOTOWLS!!!!!!!!!! :)

-- Posted by Slater on Fri, Oct 16, 2009, at 11:42 PM

Hey...uh...broke-n-busted,

while you're over there at UPS...could ya tell your big business pal that we sure would appreciate them hiring up some of these folks that are out-o-work.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Oct 16, 2009, at 11:06 PM

NanaDot when you are right you are right. I tend to be a pessimist. Our government, our freedom, our way of life, our country is the best there is. Even with all the wrong things we do we get a lot of things right. I think I (and others) pick our system apart at times because we know we can be better.

News while I admit the USPS is the best or at least cheapest way to send a plain letter across the country I will be using UPS next week to ship a package because they had a better price and quicker delivery time than the Post Office did. Big business is not always bad.

-- Posted by broke-n-busted on Fri, Oct 16, 2009, at 8:19 PM

broke-n-busted

We have socialized medicine in Australia and when we find problems in the system, which we sometimes do, government responds very quickly. The politiians prefer to keep their jobs.

When we consider how efficiently the US postal service can deliver mail from one end to the country to another for pennies...well you won't get that from fed ex or UPS. In addition, millions of Americans owe there retirement to the Social Security program since FDR first proposed it. The government owes Social Security a lot of money it borrowed under Bush, but the system has worked better than any privatized version so far.

We need single payer health care so all Americans will have access to health care at no direct cost to the patient...just like modern nations have. Its time we stop lagging 40 years behind other 1st World countries. Its time the USA moves into the 21st century. We need socialized health care in the USA and we need it now.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Oct 16, 2009, at 6:09 PM

News Across: We will have to wipe the slate clean on Voting Day! I see nothing ,short of a Revolution to change certain things!And thats to bad!

-- Posted by Jo on Fri, Oct 16, 2009, at 5:22 PM

News I understand what you are saying. "All we are saying is give peace a chance" is a chant I grew up with too. I would just as soon get out of Iraq and Afganistan completely. It would be real nice if they would police themselves a little better where organizations within their borders don't make successful attempts at killing as many Americans as they possibly can at the expense of their own lives.

But I am not cozy with the idea of giving control to our politicians based on their performance record. Yes, we are being fleeced by the insurance companies and big business so let's put big government in the mix and make it a three ringed circus that would make Barnum and Bailey proud. I can't think of a single thing that our government has made better. Democrat or Republican. And yes What the f.... if you are out there I said that when George Bush was President too. Both of them.

Putting away my soap box but one more comment.

Oklahoma Reader, my friend. May I call you my friend? You seem a very friendly sort and I actually mean that. I have already stated, more than once, that I have conservative views and lean Republican but also vote across party lines. You asked who my leader is. My leader is President Barack Obama. He is my President. I do not need a powerless "leader" representing the Republican Party. No more than Howard Dean would have been considered The leader for the Democrats while Bush was President. I certainly would not consider Limbaugh to be anything other than an idiot that is willing to say anything to get people to tune in to his radio show - A show I have never listened to. Beck needs a straight jacket. Hannity thinks he is cute turning words every which way to get them to mean what he wants them to mean. O'Reilly? Oh really? Give me a break. As a group these people are all in it for the money. They sensationalize garbage every day and make a lot of money doing it. There are people on the other side of the isle that do the same thing. How about Olbermann and Maddow. They do the same nonsense in the name of the Democrats. None of these people are worth listening to much less following. If the Republicans put together a decent platform (and they need to start from scratch), get the right people to run with that platform (and they need to start from scratch) then someday in the future I may have a leader that came from their party. Until then my leader is Barack Obama. I am first an American. I don't speak for anyone but myself but what I see is that so many people point the furthest right they can and says look at him he is a typical Republican and it just ain't so.

I'm done.

-- Posted by broke-n-busted on Fri, Oct 16, 2009, at 5:19 PM

Eric? Kathy? Anyone minding the ship tonight?

-- Posted by born-n-raised on Fri, Oct 16, 2009, at 5:19 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Sorry. Took a few hours off.

Wow, AF Brat...I have at least 2 people in my family who needs to have surgery. I will be needing the name of your insurance company and your doctor. Wow...$200 bucks count me in.

Wait what are your monthly premiums? Is this private insurance or through an employer? What about max yearly out of pocket expenses? Had you met that yet? I need more info, because I can afford $100 bucks for surgery.

-- Posted by Scarpetta on Fri, Oct 16, 2009, at 5:03 PM

Deputy Rapist?

Now maybe people will get off my back about my screen name. BTW I am astounded his post has been up for over an hour.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, Oct 16, 2009, at 4:49 PM

broke-n-busted

Go to the emergency room now and see what a couple of aspirins run you now with our capitalist medical system.

The fact is, we seem to be able to waste $400.00 on each gallon of gas used or the pupose of killing, but we don't seem to have one thin dime to spend on healing Americans.

Unlike the root, hog, or die capitalist, privatized health care system, we actually have a say in what our government does though our vote.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Oct 16, 2009, at 4:32 PM

news across, I support freedom of speech and detest censorship. However, it angers me when people spread hate, especially when hiding behind an anonymous moniker. It's really no different than hiding one's face behind a white sheet. It is the epotime of ignorance and cowardice, neither of which I tolerate.

-- Posted by born-n-raised on Fri, Oct 16, 2009, at 4:25 PM

News one of the things that concerns me is I can see our government paying $400.00 for an aspirin.

I would also like to say that I consider myself a conservative and I find the comment by DeputyRapist to be ignorant and very offensive.

-- Posted by broke-n-busted on Fri, Oct 16, 2009, at 4:23 PM

born-n-raised

I would prefer folks that wish to exercise their right to free speech, do o openly, honestly, and with gusto. What better way for the World to learn who they really are.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Oct 16, 2009, at 4:12 PM

I find it interesting how so many on the right-wing are finally being blunt about their true values.

As Dr. King taught us, all people should be judged not by the color of their skin, but rather by the quality of their character.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Oct 16, 2009, at 4:08 PM

US pays $400 per gallon for gas in Afghanistan

http://rawstory.com/2009/10/us-pays-400-...

With this kind of wasteful spending, its no wonder we have such a huge, bloated military budget.

If we have money to waste like this, then surely we have money to send on a nationalized, single payer health care access program to make sure all Americans have fair and adequate health care no matter what their income level is.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Oct 16, 2009, at 3:03 PM

Priceless answer, Eric, thanks.

-- Posted by countryman on Fri, Oct 16, 2009, at 10:24 AM

This question is for Republicans, and others who call themselves conservatives that favor the Republican Party. Who is your leader?

Is it Michael Steele the titular head? Is it one of the serving members of Congress such as Mitch McConnell, or John Boehner? Is it one of the defeated candidates for president such as John Mc Cain, or one of the bland white guys in gray suits that he defeated in the Republican primary? Such as, populistic preacher Mike Huckabee, or the well coiffed corporate image Mitt Romney.

Is it sexy Sara Palin,or some one else even farther out of the traditional political main stream? Rush Limbaugh, or Glenn Beck? O'Reilly, or Hannity?

If you are like me you have to stop, and scratch your head on that one. Head scratching done, all I can come up with is I don't know. That doesn't make me feel inadequate, nor stupid because frankly, I don't think anyone knows. And that's the rub.

In my opinion at this moment the Republican Party is a headless animal thrashing blindly. Hence the American public's belief (outside of the extreme right) that it is the party of no. No to taxes, no to anything proposed by the Democratic majority. The headless elephant blunders on, mashing potential Independent converts underfoot as it goes. With no head it is impossible for the elephant to trumpet any real message of hope to be heard by the eager ears of a demoralized citizenry.

An anguished citizenry in the throes of the Great Recession is eager to hear from the right anything realistic that gives them hope. An angry citizenry is eager to hear from the right of punitive measures to chastise the very rich who not only have not suffered from our national calamity, but indeed have profited from it.

So, whomever among your stalwarts can appreciate populism, and proactivism will be the fresh new voice of the Republican Party, and very possibly the next President of the United States.

Who is it?

What is the message?

Fair and balanced. Peace.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Oct 16, 2009, at 1:48 AM

NFL owners are liberals?

-- Posted by Eric Crump on Thu, Oct 15, 2009, at 9:30 PM

I would have gotten off the couch sooner, but I've been involved in a fierce game of Mr. Potato Head.

-- Posted by Slater on Thu, Oct 15, 2009, at 5:46 PM

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-- Posted by ieatsuperglue on Thu, Oct 15, 2009, at 3:53 PM

"gotten" isn't a word? Someone should inform the Merriam-Webster dictionary people. They seem to think it is.

-- Posted by outsider on Thu, Oct 15, 2009, at 3:36 PM

AF Brat,

The main-stream Democrats in the Senate are supporting the Baucus bill.

However, we on left are only supporting single-payer, socialized medicine. Yeah you heard me...socialized as in "s-o-c-i-a-l-i-s-t," -- as in we are not afraid of the McCarthyites -- and anyone want who wants real, equitable health care, like the civilized World has, had better stop worrying about what the right-wing wacko minority wants and get on our bandwagon.

The alternative to our plan is just the same old, failed capitalist nonsense that has our Nation so screwed up now...and that is not a solution.

-- Posted by news across on Thu, Oct 15, 2009, at 2:21 AM

Top ten things Rush Limbaugh would bring to the St. Louis Rams: http://satiricalpolitical.com/2009/10/13...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Oct 15, 2009, at 12:21 AM

Sorry, News Across, the WSJ article is about the effects the mainline Democrat's Obamacare bill.

The numbers may be even worse for the middle class. Figures from the Kaiser Foundation's Health Reform Subsidy Calculator show the cost to the example's family to be higher than the WSJ article's numbers -- over $7,890. That produces an increase of more than 25% at an income of $66,000 per year. Those aren't rich folks.

Where did the promised savings go?

-- Posted by AF Brat on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 11:54 PM

http://business.theatlantic.com/2009/10/...

Sorry about the faulty link.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 11:50 PM

A public option would result in a closer approximation of a free market than what we have now.http://business.theatlantic.com/2009/10/a_free_market_case_for_the_public_option.php

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 11:48 PM

AF Brat

No doubt about it, the bill the conservative blue dogs are trying to ram down the public's throat is an insult to the intelligence and integrity of the American People.

Fortunately we have an election coming up in 2010.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 11:23 PM

One advantage of America's system of checks and balances is that delay lets the facts bubble to the surface. Unpleasant facts sometimes.

"Most astounding of all [regarding the Health Care bill] is what this Congress is willing to do to struggling middle-class families. The bill would impose nearly $400 billion in new taxes and fees. Nearly 90% of that burden will be shouldered by those making $200,000 or less. * * *

"But the economics are clear. * * * The Joint Committee on Taxation indicates that... more than half [of the burden falls] on those earning under $100,000.

"Senate Democrats are also erecting new barriers to middle-class ascent. A family of four making $54,000 would pay $4,800 for health insurance, with the remainder coming from subsidies. If they work harder and raise their income to $66,000, their cost of insurance rises by $2,800. In other words, earning another $12,000 raises their bill by $2,800 --- a marginal tax rate [INCREASE] of 23%. Double-digit increases in effective tax rates will have detrimental effects on the incentives of millions of Americans."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424...

-- Posted by AF Brat on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 11:00 PM

Travers1963

Actually, as I pointed out, the early Christian Church put these very same concepts into practice long before socialistic Karl Marx and economist Friedrich Engels co-authored "The Communist Manifesto" (1848). In addition,these same basic concepts were successfully practiced by the Native Americans for over 14,000 years.

Its most unfortunate that the only modern nations who attempted to put these economic principles into practice lacked democratically elected governments and had long histories of authoritarian/totalitarian governments. Its no wonder, given these factors, that their attempts failed. Modern socialists (such as the CPUSA) argue that a socialist economic system can only succeed in a healthy, functioning democratic society with guaranteed civil liberties such as a free press and free speech. As a fully qualified economist,I concur with this argument.

By the way...how's that capitalism working out for you?

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 8:39 PM

I see. I think maybe you took me some place I wasn't prepared to go.

-- Posted by broke-n-busted on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 8:32 PM

broke-n-busted

My comment was intended to concur with and expand on your previous comment.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 7:57 PM

News I don't know diddly about Karl Marx and I am also not sure that I understand why you posted your comment to me because it doesn't have anything to do with what I posted. I will say that I fully agree with the gist of what you are saying which, if I may, is that our system is far from perfect and that we should strive for perfection. Certainly all humans should be fed. All humans should have health care. All humans should have shelter. We, as a nation struggle with those basic principles while some (many) ravage the system for personal gain. I don't look for this Session of Congress or future sessions to fully resolve these issues but it would sure be nice if they would at least give the problems some careful tweaks to make things better for those of us nearer the bottom of society instead of those riding the waves of fortune.

-- Posted by broke-n-busted on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 7:47 PM

NanaDot, actually "yes." On my two surgeries last month, the INSURANCE company auditor at my HMO is getting the clinic to "write off" 55% of the bill and then the INSURANCE company pays the remainder. My cost for the physicians and surgical center, in excess of the premiums, will be zero. My co-pay on the two prescribed painkillers was under $10. And ... my health plan is not a "Cadillac" plan.

-- Posted by AF Brat on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 7:33 PM

broke-n-busted

I certainly believe a society should have an economic system that works for everyone in that society. When an economic system leaves even just one person starving, homeless, and freezing, that is a failed economic system and its use should be reconsidered.

I think Karl Marx was correct when he said that an economic system should meet the needs of all of the members of that society "... from each according to his work, to each according to his needs."

As a devout Christian, I admire this principal and they way it was put into practice in the early church.

Frankly, I have great difficulty reconciling the notion that it is somehow fair that some members of a society, mostly born into wealth, should have yachts, mansions, limousines, and servants while so many of the Worlds children go without even the most basic of needs...and in that thought I certainly am not alone.

The masses of the World are poor and suffering while a few eat from silver spoons. Capitalism has failed and the World needs a new deal.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 7:23 PM

Nanadot I totally agree that we need to get a grip on health care and I am not prepared to argue the point one way or the other but some of your arguements are a little far fetched. Yes health care is a need. So is food. So is shelter. From that I can deduce that no one should be able to profit from making us food or providing shelter. I mean anybody trying to make a profit off of my hunger? That is just plain wrong.

-- Posted by broke-n-busted on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 6:55 PM

The post-2001 changes in the bankruptcy laws were intended to eliminate most cases from straight bankruptcy where payback (with protections over a longer period) was practical. They had the consequence of inflating the percentage of bankruptcies due to unpaid medical expenses because the too-many-credit-card cases were eliminated. Thus, the % increase is misleading to that extent.

These are the catastrophe illness situations which should be dealt with AND can be dealt with without injecting government into every doctor-patient relationship. I doubt any politician would oppose a solution tailored to meet this need.

-- Posted by AF Brat on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 6:23 PM

And one more statistic: The share of bankruptcies attributable to medical causes rose by 50 percent between 2001 and 2007 (the bankruptcy laws changed in that period).

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 3:01 PM

Scarpetta: I think there are an awful lot of people who will have to make that same calculation and come up short. But even so, having no insurance is a tough row to hoe. If you're mostly well, it works, but even just one bout of a not-so-serious ailment can put you back on your heels so far you'll never catch up. Medical costs are still a factor in the majority of bankruptcies even now, and the rules for declaring bankruptcy are tougher than ever, thanks to the Bush administration.

From a study by the American Journal of Medicine, a few statistics: In 2007, about 62% of bankruptcies were caused by medical expenses. Of the total, 92 percent had debts in excess of $5,000, about 10 percent of family income. Most were well-educated and owned a home (which had been mortgaged due to medical expenses). And 75 percent of them had medical insurance.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 2:59 PM

Thanks for the link Kathy and fixing the link Eric. Now that my head is pounding from reading all the jibberish...

"Individuals would be required to purchase coverage or face a fine of up to $750" - Well I guess they better hope my policy doesn't cost more than $62.50 a month or I will take the fine. Wonder what that max out of pocket will be...that could be interesting.

Last time I tried to get a quote for myself and my family...it was over $500 a month with a $5000 deductible.

So I went and looked at the previous years tax return and looked at my medical expenses I had $3200 out of pocket. So in my head I take 500x12=6000 then if I add 3200+6000=9200. I actually saved $6000 by not having insurance. Seems kinda foolish on my part to have it. Frankly the state doesn't care if my kids don't have insurance...however they will crawl up my bum if I don't feed them. It isn't a hard choice for me.

-- Posted by Scarpetta on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 2:47 PM

Go to the Community Blood Bank Web site at www.esavealifenow.org and enter our zip code (65340) and you'll find one being held Friday from 1 to 6 p.m. at Saline County Medical Reserve Corps New Life Center, 225 East Arrow Street Marshall, MO 65340.

There are three being held in December, too. I don't see anything for November.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 2:10 PM

Is any place here in Marshall holding a blood drive anytime soon?

-- Posted by snorkel on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 1:14 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
I just got a news release from the American Red Cross Monday and I didn't see anything listed for Saline County in the coming week. Haven't gotten anything from anybody else lately.

Perhaps there could be some profit in opening a "Home For The Perpetually Offended."

Whenever someone says something not politically correct, someone will rise to extol their own virtue and sensitivities.

-- Posted by Nonnymus on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 1:14 PM

How's this for a dopey headline: "Health Insurors Emerge as Obama's Top Foe."

As seen in today's Washington Post.

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 12:16 PM

Hey News, gotta agree with what you said, and I knew that. I could have easily ignored the remarks, but some of the unnamed one's posts, especially early ones were humorous, thus my disappointment. Thus, my bothering to respond. I especially agree with your comment regarding Mr. Crump. He has my utmost respect.

G'day.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 11:01 AM

Eric,

I just asked a question mate...based on a casual observation. I made no accusation, and no inference should be drawn from such a simple question. In all honesty, you may be becoming a bit too quick with that delete trigger. But so be it... you're the editor and its your call mate.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 7:55 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
You could be right. Sometimes I just try to serve as the brake, slowing the back-n-forth before it gets enough momentum to run off the rails.

I had already placed WJ on the list of persons who I do not read any comments that he posted, since he seems quite juvenile in his repertoire.

-- Posted by litlmissme on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 5:17 AM

Oklahoma Reader,

As I am sure you already know, there will always be those few sour grapes in this World who, often out of frustration and self-perceived, personal inadequacy, are unable to deal with their own failures in a socially acceptable manner.

We can find many examples of such manifestations of this inability to cope with personal failure in an ever evolving society through out our Nation's history. Take for example the average member of the Klu Klux Klan. Such individuals, consumed by a raging internal hatred, often respond to their own inability to recognize and cope with their personal inadequacy by attacking others they perceive to be different from their errant perception of "normal." Some exhibit symptoms of psychosis often flying off into violent tantrums, while others travel down what often turns out to be a long, difficult road of self-destruction.

While often times, these types of individuals can try the patience of emotionally well adjusted folks like yourself, it still remains important for our own well being to consider the deep and complex source of their internal rage. It can be difficult to forgive them, and at times its easy to forget that they are still deserving of our pity. Perhaps our Lord Jesus put it best when he said, while dying on the cross,..." Father forgive them for they know not what they do."

But the thing that really gets my goat is knowing that Eric, who has a tough enough job running one of America's best newspapers, is so often saddled with the additional task of having to delete the comments of some folks who just don't seem to be able to comprehend the MDN comment policy.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 3:08 AM

WonderJim: Your recent posts won't last through tomorrow morning. Your future posts will not exist for me.

I am leaving you alone on the blog for the rest of these wee morning hours. So, exercise your announced proclivity for things that juvenile boys do when isolated.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 1:49 AM

all righty then...good nite.

-- Posted by wheresthelove on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 1:37 AM

right on oklahoma reader!!

-- Posted by wheresthelove on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 1:29 AM

Wonderjim scatology, and onanism are the provence of prepubescent boys. Come to think of it perhaps that is what you are. Am I right about that? Is it just a lark to you to fool all we old geezers into thinking you are one of us?

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 1:27 AM

Wonderjim I hit the links that you misleadingly stated lead to good music. I am no prude, but that is really juvenile, the kind of thing that an unusually immature twelve or thirteen year old would spring on people, and then laugh uproariously.

Not that it matters to you, but your stock, and credibility are sinking fast from my perspective. A few more like some of your recent ones, and I will just ignore your posts. You disappoint me.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 1:15 AM

For those who have wondered why our President, Barak Obama was chosen for the Nobel prize this link provides the answer. At least by four of the five who chose him.

I am still amazed that so few took pride that the great honor was bestowed upon our president. What is wrong with us? http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091013/ap_o...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 1:00 AM

WonderJim the Post article to which I provided a link says otherwise.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 12:45 AM

Note that I erred in regard to the fire fight which actually occured in 2008. The study has just been released. My use of the word recent was misleading. The study of the "recent" fire fight in which eight were killed is not yet concluded,though eerily similar circumstances to the first mentioned fire fight exist.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 12:42 AM

Eight years in, and counting our poor brethren stuck in Afghanistan still may not have the quality weapon that they desperately need. It appears that malfunctions of the M4 has lead to at least some of the nine deaths in a recent fire fight. It is obscene that our military weapons experts apparently still can not get it right after all these years. You have to wonder if contract collusion plays a part.

We should do better by those in harms way. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 12:34 AM

Looking at the Senate blue dog NON-health-care-access reform bill that looks likely to pass the Senate, one has to wonder when the Senate is going begin working on reforming health care access?

Lets take a look at what the blue dogs in the Senate have come up with.

Basically it amounts to the following:

1.) it prohibits Big Insurance from denying most (but not all) coverage for some pre-existing conditions

2.) it mandates all Americans MUST purchase one of the plans offered by Big Insurance at prices Big Insurance sets with NO REGULATION ON PRICE -- they can charge what ever they want.

3.) it sets up some government assistance with premiums for the very poorest Americans -- so if you work part-time for minimum wage you might get a little help...for now... or at least till the States whittle that down some more.

4.) it reduces some of the old folks medicare coverage and will probably result in higher premiums, deductibles, and co-pays before they finish with it. I guess Mom and Dad, Grandma and Grandpa will just have to dig a little deeper in the ol' pocketbook.

5.) it provides for a website that will allow you to compare the rates Big Insurance will be charging you...which are all controlled by Big Insurance and set by them...and will all be a lot more than they are charging now (gotta cover those folks they used to deny somehow).

While there is probably more to it than that, I believe those are probably the high points.

Well...it looks like those Big Insurance "campaign contributions" (cash bribes) to the blue dogs have really paid off for Big Insurance, If you are an investor, now would be a great time to pick up some Big Insurance stock.

So Senator McClaskill how do you plan to vote on this and how much in Big Insurance bribes...I mean "campaign contributions"... have you taken? Oh a little side note folks, McCaskill's seat will be up for grabs in 2012...you may want to make note of that on your calendar.

What I would like to know now is when are the the Senators going to start working on health-care access reform?...seriously!

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Oct 13, 2009, at 8:56 PM

Unfortunately, NanaDot, neither Taylor Marsh [a "?" (you guess her politics) talk radio personality] nor "djjl" who originally posted the Comment containing the quote that you are depending on bothered to provide a source for it. So the claim is still unverified. I've been at Duke's Hospital and I'll bet $10 that their total nursing staff numbers over a thousand.

-- Posted by AF Brat on Tue, Oct 13, 2009, at 8:50 PM

NanaDot,

Can you substantiate this claim: "the Mayo Clinic has 900 beds, and 900 insurance billing clerks, but NOT 900 nurses."

-- Posted by AF Brat on Tue, Oct 13, 2009, at 8:15 PM

Scarpetta: Yes, it's supposed to work. I don't know how to fix it, but in the short term, click here instead:

www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/10/13/senate.h...

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Tue, Oct 13, 2009, at 5:47 PM

Is that link in the poll supposed to work? I only ask because if I click on it I get the following:

"File Not Found

The file you requested, http://www.marshallnews.com/www.cnn.com/..., could not be found."

-- Posted by Scarpetta on Tue, Oct 13, 2009, at 5:23 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Link fixed. Sorry about that!

Your welcome Jo,

By the way, American Ships still come to port in Sydney regularly and the Aussies love it. The American sailors really liven things up a bit when they are here.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Oct 13, 2009, at 2:23 PM

Oh...hey, AF Brat,

I notice you are quoting the Washington times...not that there is anything wrong with that...

...and speaking of Murdoch...boy howdy, the Aussies sure were happy to get rid of him, lol.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Oct 13, 2009, at 1:58 PM

AF Brat,

That is not a bad idea, but it does seem a bit complex.

I prefer the simpler approach of extending no-direct-cost-to-the-patient medicare coverage paid for by cuts to our way over-bloated military budget. After all, its worked very well in other modern, Western industrialized nations. Surely if they can do it, we can do it.

If we have money to kill with, we have money heal with.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Oct 13, 2009, at 1:50 PM

Nana Dot,Thank for the links! Do you know when Gus Lake Died/

-- Posted by Jo on Tue, Oct 13, 2009, at 10:32 AM

There is a much better way to do Health Care than the Baucus bill or H.R. 3200. Thought up by a Democrat (Ron Wyden of Oregon) and pushed by Bill Clinton's favorite mouthpiece (Lanny Davis).

Here's a summary of Wyden's bill.

[quote]The basic idea of the proposal is, in effect, to "liquefy" everyone's current employer-provided health insurance policies -- i.e., require all employers to pay in cash to each employee the actual cost of that individual's insurance policy, and that extra compensation would have to be used by each employee to purchase health insurance policies. All those receiving this boost in pay would receive a tax deduction, varying in amount according to their income -- i.e., you get some or all of the tax deduction the employer currently gets for paying your insurance.

Those employers who do not insure their employees would have to make an "employer shared-responsibility payment," the amount depending on their revenues and size of their work force, as would all self-employed individuals and all those who do not have insurance and can afford to make this payment.

These new sources of revenue for the federal government, plus higher revenues owing to elimination of various currently applicable tax deductions and credits, would finance the cost of subsidizing the premiums of those who cannot afford to pay for private health insurance -- 100 percent for those at or below poverty level and a sliding scale of subsidies on up into the middle and upper-middle class. [/quote]

Read about the Healthy Americans Act (S.334) in this three-part series of articles.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009...

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009...

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009...

-- Posted by AF Brat on Tue, Oct 13, 2009, at 10:01 AM

Thanks, news across! When i served in the Navy i always wanted to go to Australia, but never got to go! Mostly in the Far East is were i spent my time. Had a friend who spent some time there on one of the Battle Wagon's he loved it! Their Port while there, was Sydney. Thank Again!

-- Posted by Jo on Tue, Oct 13, 2009, at 9:49 AM

Oklahoma Reader,

Yes...from here it looks as if America...the Nation of my birth...the Nation I served as a soldier...the Nation I love as much as the very air I breath...has gone quite mad.

But...I still believe in her. I still believe in our people. I believe America is capable of reaching incredible heights. We can solve these seemingly insurmountable problems, but to do it we must all pull together as one. No Democrats, no Republicans, no liberals, no conservatives...just Americans who love this truly great Nation, willing to put aside our differences and come together to save this Nation we all love so much. We can do this!

...and after we get America healthy again...we can go to our separate corners and come out swinging.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Oct 13, 2009, at 2:18 AM

Chicken from China anyone? You know that place that has to kill off their chickens now, and again. That place that has nastier processing facilities than about anywhere. Well maybe it won't be too bad. Maybe we can not think about that, and just wash it down with some of that sweet nectar from juice boxes. Oops, I forgot, that too comes from China.

We are now, thanks to Obama getting done what Bush tried to do, and couldn't, going to get us some nasty chicken.

Read it and weep....or regurgitate. http://www.walletpop.com/blog/2009/10/08...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Oct 13, 2009, at 1:58 AM

NewAcross the current economic situation, and Australia's position in regard to it, brings to mind a book I read over fifty years ago. It is Nevil Shutes "On The Beach". It seems only the vector has changed from the one that threatened our world in the book.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Oct 13, 2009, at 1:29 AM

Howdy to you NewsAcross from the other land of red dirt dust storms.

The current brouhaha has to appear astoundingly stupid to you.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Oct 13, 2009, at 1:08 AM

AF Brat,

The Senate Finance Committee's health care "reform" bill does not include a government subsidized, option and, as a fully qualified economist, I agree that without a government subsidized, public option to provide competition we can expect those greedy fat-cats that are the major stockholders of Big Insurance to jerk as much cash out of sick folks as they possibly can...and the not-sick-yet folks too.

Lets just scrap that big cash give-away to Big Insurance and put everyone on medicare. After all, it worked out pretty well here in Oz...and almost anything would be better than that nonsense the conservatives in the Senate (like Senator Baucus) are trying to ram down our throats.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Oct 13, 2009, at 12:57 AM

Evenin' NanaDot, your more'n welcome.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Oct 13, 2009, at 12:29 AM

AFBrat the 4k figure as soon as out of their mouths was discredited.

You can cite all the sources you want to obsfucate the issue, but it is as plain as the noses on our faces that single payer, socialistic health care is the best care available, and the most economical. Otherwise the rest of the world would not have successfully adopted it. Our resistance is ludicrously absurd.

We are not going to get it because a fey, and dysfunctional Congress is trying to patch together some Frankensteinian monster of a plan that will be a disaster. Why? Because they are wholly owned by Big Health.

They do not represent the needs of the people, they represent the needs of Corporations who are the super citizens. They will throw the people a bone, or more to the point thrust it in a sensitive part of the human anatomy.

The hodge podge will be an inefficient disaster. Then we will be told "see, socialized medicine does not work." We will argue even that as ridiculously as two rubes looking at a *******, and arguing whether or not that thoroughbred can win a horse race.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Oct 13, 2009, at 12:25 AM

Just a slight deviation from the current course of the blog. Any of you who would like to have a clearer understanding of the cause of the Great Recession should read the linked article. Alan Greenspan heard with his own ears from the man who predicted the GR, and chose to ignore him. Bernanke too. The bottom line? Monumental egos, and pure hubris. Will it change? Nope. http://www.spiegel.de/international/busi...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Oct 12, 2009, at 11:39 PM

Oh yes, the middle class will pay (and pay and pay and ...) for Obamacare. The middle class is where the money is.

PriceWaterhouseCoopers, a business consulting firm, issued a Report today on the impact the Senate Finance Committee's health care "reform" bill will have on health insurance premiums. PWC concluded that the cost of health insurance for the average family will RISE by $4,000 by 2019, as compared with doing nothing.

Look here: http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/20...

P. S. The author is a Republican lawyer but that doesn't make him either a lier or stupid. His ideas are cogent.

-- Posted by AF Brat on Mon, Oct 12, 2009, at 11:28 PM

Jo

Thank you for asking.

As you may know I am an American living in Australia where we have socialized medicine. Here a person has the option of the free single payer system (our medicare) or one can opt for private insurance which is subsidized by the Government. Most folks here go with medicare because there are no co-pays and no deductibles. We pick our docs from the yellow pages, there is no co-pay and the bill is payed out of general taxes which are about the same as in the USA. We have what is called a hybrid system We have both public and private hospitals. The private hospitals have limited facilities and only accept private insurance. The public hospitals are full service.

My own experience here is this. I call my doc to make an appointment and he always sees me within one hour of the call. I go in, receive treatment then I go home unless I have to get x-rays or an MRI. If i need those, then I go about a block away to a place that does those service. I never receive a bill and money is never discussed. The longest I ever waited to see a specialist -- a cardiologist -- was 2 days from the time I called. The longest I ever waited to have surgery was 1 week for a non-emergency hernia. Emergency surgeries are done immediately. My cost? $0.00. Medicare has also been recently expanded to cover basic dental as well with more coverage and eyeglasses being phased in.

I hope that info helps.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Oct 12, 2009, at 10:36 PM

Ive been listening to all these plans for health Care, and it seems that Single Payer is the only way to go! It has been tried and works for all! Of Course along the way something may have to be adjusted, but its a good start! You don't talk to the Profiteers for an answer! Here is were there should be a little Socialism injected into our Society! I trust the Government with my Social Security & the other Programs they run,so why not Health Care? I don't have much trust in private enterprise any more! And if Bush & the Republican could have sold there idea on Social Security we wouldn't have it. So i feel very secure at this point,even if i have some problem with both Parties! If News Across has more on Single Payer info, Please fill in?

-- Posted by Jo on Mon, Oct 12, 2009, at 9:41 PM

Eric,

Point well taken.

Also, it is I who am sorry that I failed to communicate my message clearly to you the reader. I will work on that in future comments.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Oct 12, 2009, at 5:23 PM

Fighting4U,

Getting rid of GOD would probably be the best thing this world has ever done for itself considering the amount of people in the past, the present and I'm sure in the future who will have been killed in his name. Yet still he/she/it remains silent.

A kind and loving God such at this is most definately worthy of blind worship is it not?

Sell the Vatican, feed the world.

- Sarah Silverman

Makes a lot of sense to me.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Mon, Oct 12, 2009, at 4:50 PM

My feelings about Politic,is Controlling Peoples minds. Making people do what they wouldn't ordinarily do as thinking Human beings! Its like Cults. Jim Jones, was an example.There has been , Hundreds over the Centuries. I don't blame Jones as much as the followers.I think People get what they deserve, when they loose that ability to be independent and think rationally, and humanly,about any subject! Politic is an example of the herd Mentality. I Personally think our Government has perfected this Brain Washing Technique! our Country has learned a lot from other countries! If we loose our ability to think Rationally,for the well being of Humanity, we are doomed anyway? No Group of Politician's or Religious Leader's ,can or should make up our minds as a group! It's born in each and everyone of us ,as Human being, to know right from wrong. There is no in between! But , like i've said before what do i know,Ha. Maybe i'm getting to deep?

-- Posted by Jo on Mon, Oct 12, 2009, at 1:52 PM

Eric,

I was in fact attempting by example to demonstrate the absurdity of anyone attempting to describe other folks political beliefs in a single sentence of nothing more than re-hashed and over-simplified stereotypes as Fighting4U you had done in the previous comment.

Apparently, judging by your reaction, my effort failed in its purpose.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Oct 12, 2009, at 9:09 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Just this morning I got a message from someone lamenting that satire is dead because too many people interpret it literally. Of course, even the acme of satire, Jonathan Swift's "A Modest Proposal" was reportedly read by some as a recommendation for cannibalism. So satire may not be dead, but it is always treacherous. Sorry I missed your point.

Ah, a great example bright and early of a Monday morning of why we tend to delete insulting or otherwise belligerent comments. Fighting4U posts an attack on liberals, so a liberal, in this case news across, has to reply in kind. There's very little hope for this thread of conversation, unless we hope it will go like this: counter attack, counter-counter attack, counter-counter-counter attack, etc., etc., along about eternity. And the only ones to enjoy the exchange (I predict) will be the combatants and a handful of spectators who believe rhetoric is a blood sport. But it looks to me like everything has been said that needs be said. Fighting4U doesn't like a caricatured version of liberalism and news across doesn't like a caricatured version of conservatism. 'Nuff said?

-- Posted by Eric Crump on Mon, Oct 12, 2009, at 8:57 AM

Fighting4U

Blah, blah, blah, blah...

More conservative nonsense.

Maybe someday we can all be conservatives...join the Klan, tear up the Constitution, kill everyone who isn't a white Anglo Saxon protestant, threaten the President's life, force women to have our babies...then abandon the baby, start wars of aggression and let other people fight the wars for us, kill gays, and force everyone but the very rich into soup kitchen lines.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Oct 12, 2009, at 8:42 AM

Maybe someday we can all be liberals then we could completely get rid of GOD, kill some babies, let the criminals go free, and have homosexual orgies all day!

-- Posted by Fighting4U on Mon, Oct 12, 2009, at 8:14 AM

Mrxray,

Just for clarification in regards to the Bush Admin. Did the media make it all up?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Mon, Oct 12, 2009, at 6:40 AM

mrxray

Like I said, I am not interested in Republican/conservative propaganda.

The Republican/conservative's actions have spoken much louder than their words and We the People got the shaft.

This Missourian will be voting straight Democrat ticket in 2010.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Oct 12, 2009, at 3:13 AM

news: Sorry everyone else: As for sticking your head in the sand.... Almost every common person who has voted predominantly republican in the past are in agreeance that the Political party called Republican has fallen because of its failure to stay within its conservative roots.

Spending in DC is a sickness, a compulsion, an addiction that BOTH parties are sticken with. Corruption in DC is as well. That is why Ethics in DC is the most important issue at this time, even with the wars and the poor economy with the high unemployment and impending high inflation.

so maybe it is YOU that has your head in the sand

-- Posted by mrxray on Mon, Oct 12, 2009, at 12:10 AM

News: A side note, before you accuse me of being republican though... there are many normal every day citizens here in America that OPPOSE Obama, along with Independents and Republicans. Many Dems and Independents attended the rally in DC and the tea parties, ALL expressing the same thing that the evil republicans, as you stated it, are stating.

Go research on your OWN, the broken window theory regarding Government spending and its actual effects on the economy.

-- Posted by mrxray on Mon, Oct 12, 2009, at 12:07 AM

news across: I would also like to know exact examples of America citizens, those not accused of terrorist activities, being held in prisons with no attorney or hearings.

Obama is too concerned with public image and being on Jay Leno, and globetrotting around the world for the olympic bid to worry about our troops and make a timely decision based on the information that is coming directly from the man obama placed in the position to make those same recommendations. But Troop deaths in Afghanistan are not his worry I guess.

-- Posted by mrxray on Mon, Oct 12, 2009, at 12:04 AM

News Across: sorry that I dont fit your mould of what YOU think a republican is. You sound full of hate and irrational thought that will not you to reason around the media drive HATE BUSH BS.

But the very actions you refer to, death threats, accusations and the entire list you quoted are the EXACT things that the Democrat party base their entire campaign on. People are homegrown terrorists, racist and UnAmerican if they disagree with obamacare and any other Obama/radical left agenda. You fail to see that Obamacare is being supported by 150 million in Big Pharma and the Unions special interest money and the lawyers. you fail to see that if we were to start a big government program or crap and tax, that the Dems in effect are taking trillions of dollars away from the American economy, along with the trillions that bush and the dems took away from the economy in stimulus packages and bail outs. It is sad and funny that you can say what you did without acknowleding that corruption and economic ruin are the very platform that the Democrat party is based on....entitlements for all...at the expense of the working people and the economy. It must be hard for you to fail to understand the underlying reasons for the people that the media likes to call teabaggers. or maybe not hard, because often it easy to just accept what the media tells you instead of thinking and researching for yourself

-- Posted by mrxray on Mon, Oct 12, 2009, at 12:01 AM

mrxray

You are free to stick your head in the sand and pretend Republicans are what they claim they are and not what their actions say they are about like you did for 8 years under Bush if you wish, but don't expect the American majority to join you. We saw first hand what the Republicans are about.

You seem to think its a debate. Its not...the debate is over.

I am not interested in Republican propaganda and I am darn sure I am not interested in "Republican values" (lying us into a war to make rich people richer, torture, stealing our hard earned tax dollars, giving our treasury surplus away to the rich, allowing rich, fat-cat bankers and Big Insurance to steal our 401K's, collapsing our economy, trying to cheat baby-boomers out of their social security they worked hard for all their lives, stating wars you fail to finish, committing genocide in 3rd world countries, trying to deprive us of fair and equitable health care access, threats against the life of our President and other elected officials, making outrageous accusations against our President, racism, hatred, fear mongering, war mongering, political corruption, denying American citizens accused of crimes the right to a lawyer...holding them in military prisons incommunicado...even denying them a hearing in front of a judge to ask why they are being held, and other civil rights abuses, and breaking our FISA law as well as committing war crimes).

Yeah we know what the Republican Party holds dear and it has nothing to do with what We the People want.

Thanks but no thanks mrxray.

This American will be voting straight Democrat ticket in 2010.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Oct 11, 2009, at 10:27 PM

news across said: I would say the Congressman has things pretty well figured out. Frankly, a person would have to be deaf, dumb, blind, and have a lobotomy not to see what the Republicans are all about.

Oh please do tell..what are republicans all about?

Progressive are only about increasing the size of government, pushing things like gun control to remove the fear the government has of the people. Trampling on the freedoms and rights of the individual to provide "free" entitlements that are unearned by individuals, but harmful to our economy. Spending unfathomable amounts of money to stimulate the economy, but while unemployment sky rockets, the government increases in size. Granted recent Repubs are just as guilty in their spending habits too. I dont want to hear the tired argment that "bush sucked" from you Bush Haters either...my comments have absolutely nothing to do with him.

Government spending and its effects on our economy are commonly equated to the broken window fallacy.... look that up progressives

-- Posted by mrxray on Sun, Oct 11, 2009, at 9:34 PM

last night around 12 or so there were cops chasing a car through town(marshall) any details??

-- Posted by ballin on Sun, Oct 11, 2009, at 3:55 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
We'll check with the police tomorrow morning. Thanks for the tip.

WTF,

I m sure the Congressman appreciates your words of encouragement.

I would say the Congressman has things pretty well figured out. Frankly, a person would have to be deaf, dumb, blind, and have a lobotomy not to see what the Republicans are all about. The best thing we as a nation can do is to continue progressing, use our large majority to remove even more republicans from office at the ballot box, and also get rid of the blue dogs who have been taking Big Insurance company bribes.

Ultimately our great Nation will triumph and those who want to see our Nation fail will fall.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Oct 11, 2009, at 3:49 PM

Newacross,

Thanks for the link. I took the time to go to his website and drop him a small note of encouragement. Even though I am not his constituent, I still believe he represents us all.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Sun, Oct 11, 2009, at 11:18 AM

U.S. Congressman Grayson: "GOP wishes there were Nobel prize for 'fear, hatred, racism'"

with video

http://rawstory.com/2009/10/grayson-nobe...

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Oct 11, 2009, at 4:12 AM

Posted by NanaDot: mrxray - please read beyond the headlines so that you understand WHY those figures are misleading - PHI's DROP people who are sick, as well as denying their claims, while Medicare does NOT... In addition, denial of claims with Medicare also includes those 'claims' that were for non-necessary, unrelated procedures or fraudulent.

My response: That is funny. I do read behind the headlines. Not one word is ever discussed about the amount of claims that medicare denies. However, in your own words, why do we need BIG government take over of health care.... er reduction of freedom and liberty, when we could just open state boarders, and eliminate the possibility of denial for pre-existing conditions. That solves all the liberal complaints about the big old bad private insurers. Do you also subscribe to the point of view that says 44,000 or so die each year BECAUSE of lack of health "insurance"?

-- Posted by mrxray on Sat, Oct 10, 2009, at 11:00 PM

notgvnasht,

Your kid is right.Guilty as charged.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Sat, Oct 10, 2009, at 10:42 PM

Wow wonderjim! Is that all you got? Is that some of your superior intellect that you have been going on and on about? Try again.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Sat, Oct 10, 2009, at 10:41 PM

Ahh WonderJim,

Spoken like the true ugly American. Are you proud of yourself. Does that make you feel better?

Besides, news across is right about the Australian healthcare system. I wish we could do that. Maybe you should give your American pie hole a rest for a while?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Sat, Oct 10, 2009, at 10:04 PM

wonderjim,

For your information, I was born in Missouri, lived in America for more than 45 years, and have been a natural born American Citizen for more than 52 years.

As a natural born American Citizen it is both my right and my privilege to speak my mind...and I certainly do not require your consent to do so.

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Oct 10, 2009, at 9:00 PM

For many years in our history, many open minded, non-racist Americans have wondered when America would finally recognize the outstanding contributions our African-American brothers and sisters have made to our Nation.

Many of us prayed and hoped that God would help us all climb from the primitive depths of racism and finally feel the warm light of equality of all American citizens.

Finally, in 2008 we saw one of our most exceptional African American citizens overcome more than 500 years of North American racism, a nasty, disgusting tradition since Columbus and the Europeans first invaded North America, and climb his way to the highest office in the land...the Presidency.

We Americans have the right to stand proud of our fellow citizen, President Obama. His tremendous accomplishment...to become the first African American to be elected to the Presidency.. was no easy task. To say the least, it was an extraordinary accomplishment by a truly extraordinary man.

Congratulations Mr. President on your recent award of the Nobel Peace Prize. You definitely earned it!

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Oct 10, 2009, at 8:42 PM

sapphireslipper-

Marshall HS Band was at the UCM homecoming parade competition and placed third.

-- Posted by STLgirlMarshallMom on Sat, Oct 10, 2009, at 8:25 PM

I am pleased to be able to say that 5 generations of my family have had the pleasure and privilege of reading the Marshall Democrat.

I am also very happy that the MD has fine people at the helm of our local paper.

God Bless you Eric Crump.

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Oct 10, 2009, at 7:57 PM

I attended Fayette Band Day this morning and was so disappointed that Marshall High School was not there! Anybody know why? I have always looked forward to seeing my hometown there every year.

-- Posted by sapphireslipper on Sat, Oct 10, 2009, at 6:49 PM

As an American watching America from the outside, I have to wonder...can America save America from itself?

It almost appears to me that conservatives are hell-bent on turning America into a banana republic...and succeeding!

I sure am glad I live in a sane country.

Oh well...no point in me worrying about folks who struggle against their own best interests...I have to go visit my doc for a routine check-up...my cost?...$0.00.

Thank goodness for socialized medicine and God Bless Australia!

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Oct 10, 2009, at 6:14 PM

Eric--you deleted my comment and let someone sign off as WTF--some newspaper!!

-- Posted by farmerwife on Sat, Oct 10, 2009, at 3:25 PM

What, specifically makes you believe that? are you drunk?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Sat, Oct 10, 2009, at 10:45 AM

Nope, just what I believe.

Obama/Biden sounds like Bin Laden, if you are drunk when saying it.

-- Posted by ieatsuperglue on Sat, Oct 10, 2009, at 10:17 AM

Freedom of speech doesn't apply to private newspapers and web blogs. Can you back up any of your claims?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Sat, Oct 10, 2009, at 10:09 AM

If you want to be proud of Barack (Saddam's cousin) Obama, go for it. I for one, will not now nor ever be proud of a terrorist.

Go ahead and delete my post. So much for freedom of speach/ press.

-- Posted by ieatsuperglue on Sat, Oct 10, 2009, at 10:04 AM

farmerwife,

Acutally I apologize. I didn't write the comment but I do agree with it. My only statement as at the bottom in that he is our PRESIDENT and we should be proud of him.

I don't know who the author is but I did agree with the statement and here's the link I should have posted:

http://forums.kearnyontheweb.com/index.p...

Have you traveled outside the U.S. lately? Have you done so since we have had a new president? Can you tell us with aboslute accuracy how the U.S. is perceived in other countries? Probably not. The Nobel committee is probably in a better postition to judge that than you and I are so in this instance I'll take thier word for it. Keep in mind that President Obama did not ask for the award, he didn't lobby for it and was probably not even aware that he had been nomitated for it. Please tell me and everyone else just exactly what your problem is with "our" president winning the Nobel Peace Prize. More to the point what is your problem in general with the President?

As to the rest of your comment. The war over my screen moniker has been waged ad nasuem. I won. I'm not changing it so get over it. As to your comments regarding my level of intelligence do you really think that is fair? You don't even know me. Keep in mind that comments like that from you and others is exactly what prompted my choice of screen name in the first place.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Sat, Oct 10, 2009, at 9:58 AM

Did all of you Empire Gas customers notice the insert in your last bill that wants to saddle us all with a $30 dollar a month non-gas flat fee?

The current non gas fees are tied to usage, as it should be. This $30 flat fee appears to be across the board.

It may not seem quite as noticable in the winter where the current non-gas charge is tied to usage, but in the summer,the way I see it would mean that a $20 dollar gas bill would now be $50 if they get this flat rateapproved. I don't know about you but I always enjoyed my low summer gas bill.Another $360 a year? No. Enough is enough. Can we get some competition for the suppliers of natural gas maybe? I doubt it. They propose to raise $2.9 million a year. Seems to me that if this passes they will stand to make alot more than $2.9 million a year if we are all saddled with $30 monthly flat fee. I'd like to know how many gas customers Empire has and would like to do my own math.

I could be wrong but that's how the notice read to me. If anyone reads this notice differently please share your thoughts,

If you wish to speak out to the Missouri Public Service Commission, go here:

https://www.efis.psc.mo.gov/mpsc/Comment...

Let them know your thoughts before they vote to approve this flat fee fiasco.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Sat, Oct 10, 2009, at 9:33 AM

"The Norwegian Nobel Committee has decided that the Nobel Peace Prize for 2009 is to be awarded to President Barack Obama for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples. The Committee has attached special importance to Obama's vision of and work for a world without nuclear weapons.

"Obama has as President created a new climate in international politics. Multilateral diplomacy has regained a central position, with emphasis on the role that the United Nations and other international institutions can play. Dialogue and negotiations are preferred as instruments for resolving even the most difficult international conflicts. The vision of a world free from nuclear arms has powerfully stimulated disarmament and arms control negotiations. Thanks to Obama's initiative, the United States is now playing a more constructive role in meeting the great climatic challenges the world is confronting. Democracy and human rights are to be strengthened.

"Only very rarely has a person to the same extent as Obama captured the world's attention and given its people hope for a better future. His diplomacy is founded in the concept that those who are to lead the world must do so on the basis of values and attitudes that are shared by the majority of the world's population."

They are saying that Barack Obama has been more effective for peace in his first few months as president than anyone else. Elements in the radical Muslim world are already criticizing the award on the grounds that the United States has the largest nuclear weapons force in the world. This criticism misses the point. A president is not a dictator. He inherits his country's history.

AOL, which is notoriously right wing, already has the question framed on its lead page: "Does he deserve it?" This also misses the point. In our celebrity-obsessed culture, it's not about him personally. It is about the work he has done, particularly the effects of his work on the cause of peace.

Since President Obama took office, the United States has risen from seventh to first as the most admired nation in the world. This is directly attributable to President Obama, especially as contrasted with our last one before him. http://www.reuters.com/article/lifestyle...

We Americans have reason to be proud that our President has been given this award but that is not the main point and should not our focus. Let it be a reminder what the world hopes for us and expects of us, and of our responsibilities as leader of the free world.

He is are President. We elected him and I think we should be proud of him. Isn't it nice to once again have a president that we can be proud of?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Sat, Oct 10, 2009, at 8:25 AM

Obama gets the Nobel Peace award. Why? What did he do? Nothing, nothing at all.

-- Posted by ieatsuperglue on Sat, Oct 10, 2009, at 7:06 AM

So. In order to pay for the Baucus bill, we will be taxing the medical devices... so a tax on the sick and injured is basically what that is, is it not? They were going to tax Tampons until people threw a fit.

Ultimately it wont be the device makers paying that tax, it will be the consumers, basically hurting the poor and less fortunate.

There was an article that discussed who denies a bigger precentage of claims and it showed that Medicare actually denies more. Funny that the Libs still say that the big bad private health insurance companies that are the ones who deny the most. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/10/6/...

I know that is from the dailykos... but I cannot access regular websites but it refers to the OECD information that this information comes from.

FUNNY they cannot tell the truth.

-- Posted by mrxray on Sat, Oct 10, 2009, at 2:22 AM

Actually, NanaDot, you need a scorecard for D. C. think tanks. The Brookings Institution is "liberal" and leans toward Democrats; the Heritage Foundation is "conservative" and leans toward Republicans; while the CATO Institute is "libertarian" and non-partisan.

-- Posted by AF Brat on Thu, Oct 8, 2009, at 11:41 PM

I am truly disappointed with the Democrat and once again thankful for our local radio station. I would have missed the opportunity to pay final respects to Greg Thompson had it not been on the radio. To those of you at the paper in the know, pleae try harder. This online version keeps those of us that have moved away in touch with our hometown. We count on you!

-- Posted by put out on Thu, Oct 8, 2009, at 8:57 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
My apologies.

Today, a Harvard economics professor points out that the Baucus Health Care bill would SLAM the middle class with an "effective tax rate" on additional income greater than 70%. Gulp.

http://gregmankiw.blogspot.com/2009/10/7...

The "savings" the CBO finds in the current Baucus bill result from escalation in tax revenues (see above), not any reduction in health care costs.

http://www.cato.org/pressroom.php?displa...

-- Posted by AF Brat on Thu, Oct 8, 2009, at 4:28 PM

From a business aspect I understand the why behind closing Saturday mornings. However as a customer it is very annoying.

-- Posted by Scarpetta on Wed, Oct 7, 2009, at 11:59 PM

Isn't it aggravating when you need to get into your bank lockbox, or go sign papers, etc. and the bank is no longer open on Saturday morning? When you work the same hours the bank is open you now have to take time away from your work to go to the bank. What is the deal with Wood and Huston and Community Bank closing their doors to customers on Saturday mornings. What ever happened to being open convenient hours for your customer? The drive-thru is open, but you can't do all your banking business through the drive-thru. They need to have either longer hours a few evenings a week, or be open at least every other Saturday. The new bankers hours suck!

-- Posted by Typesetter on Wed, Oct 7, 2009, at 4:58 PM

I added another letter to the New School? blog. I think the original description of that blog was a little confusing, so I tweaked it a bit. Just to clarify: Only signed letters to the editor get posted as blog entries, but anyone can post comments on those entries -- anonymously -- just like with any other blog or story.

www.marshallnews.com/blogs/1464/

-- Posted by Eric Crump on Wed, Oct 7, 2009, at 10:39 AM

I googled e.coli and learned that in the meat sector it is easier to kill E. Coli than in vegetables. In meat it just has to be cooked to 160 degrees and the bacteria is gone.

Imagine what my salad would look like after reaching 160 degrees, not very appealing!

The most recent vegetable recalls due to E.Coli have been due to ........wait for it.......BAM!Here it is "the push to go organtic" and the use of manure in place of chemical fertilizers.

This is just my humble opinion, not worth the paper it is written on but may be why the folks in the good old days had a much shorter life expectancy, imagine all the e.coli ingested drinking milk straight from a cow, or eating vegetables striaght from the garden where Bessy's poop was used as fertilizer.

-- Posted by litlmissme on Tue, Oct 6, 2009, at 8:20 PM

Anyone who thinks being a vegetarian is safer as far as food supply is crazy just washing lettuce does not kill e coli. Now if you are raising your own food and you are a vegetarian do not use manure as your fertilizer because that is where e coli likes to hide itself.

Please keep in mind also there is not much virgin soil in our country that livestock/wildlife have not traveled across sometime in the past.

A little food for thought . . . .pardon the pun!

-- Posted by litlmissme on Tue, Oct 6, 2009, at 4:20 PM

Yes, OKR I am well aware that all kinds of "critters" crawl on our vegetables and fruits before reaching our kitchens. Just last week I was harvesting basil from a planter on my deck. Hidden among the leaves was a praying mantis. He grabbed my finger with enough force it was startling. I did a "Paulsen jig" and managed to step in a plastic planter which was destroyedt. If anyone had been filming it could have played on AFV or YouTube:)

My daughter used to tell me that I didn't need to wash those packages of prewashed salad mixes. I did anyway. After e.coli was traced to salad mixes she was telling her co-workers, "My mother always washed..."

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Tue, Oct 6, 2009, at 11:22 AM

Evenin Upsedaisy. I'm not a vegetarian yet. That is partially because I am not in a position to grow all of my own food, particularly meat. I also know that rats, mice, and roaches crawl all over the veggies and fruits leaving their little deposits as unlisted ingredients of our purchased green groceries. You can't get away from nature microbes or mammals. It is just, whatever, take another bite, and hope that it at least tastes better than what it is.

You know there was a time during my salad days when "Hank and the Have it Alls" were called "The Establishment" and abhorred by youth across the country. Do you suppose that some of those buried emotions may be coming back to the conscious minds of Boomers, and others? If not, why not?

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Oct 6, 2009, at 12:59 AM

Well...I guess I'll just lapse into a soliloquy.

I wonder if anyone thinks that I am looking down on a particular class of people when I lapse into vernacular? I reckon they ain't awares that I growed up among em, I worked along side em, and I got teached that thar is jest as many smart folks in one bunch as a nuthern. Jest as many dumb ***** too.

That is my heritage, I am proud of it. I actually do lapse into that speech form comfortably in conversation with friends when I am having a few beers.

Its kinda like goin home, kinda like still bein able to smell my mamma's apple pie, even though she is long gone too.

Maybe that's why I don"t git upset when black folks lapse into their vernacular, maybe it makes them feel good jest like mine does me.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Oct 6, 2009, at 12:36 AM

Goldman Sachs and others have practiced Equal Opportunity for brokerage firms for years by giving to both parties in about equal measure. "Hedging" bets?

Remember, Hank Paulsen was out of Goldman Sachs. He was cheek by jowl w/George Bush a year ago. He was jigging around on the front steps of the Treasury. Looking like the cat that swallowed the canary.

How many became vegetarians after reading the hamburger report?

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Tue, Oct 6, 2009, at 12:09 AM

Evenin wtl.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Oct 6, 2009, at 12:02 AM

Goldman Sachs, and J. P. Morgan are quietly buying up media.

Have you noticed that the media refers to Goldman and J. P. as if they were people? That is a step down for them because they have more rights than people.

There, that goes with the unattached link.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Oct 5, 2009, at 11:58 PM

The link that belongs with my preceding post.

http://www.opednews.com/populum/linkfram...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Oct 5, 2009, at 11:53 PM

that was pretty quirky about the wtf thing...:}

-- Posted by wheresthelove on Mon, Oct 5, 2009, at 11:52 PM

Are y'all down with geezeritis tonight? Guess I'll sit here fur a minute or two. If'n I cain't thank of sumpin funny or provokin I reckon I'll jest limp off'n to bed.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Oct 5, 2009, at 11:39 PM

WTF, just thought it funny, wasn't trying to ring your bell. What the f---, I'm notgvn a s--- what anyone wants to call his or her self.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Oct 5, 2009, at 11:28 PM

Ok,

Yep I've seen that before. Thanks anyway.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Mon, Oct 5, 2009, at 11:21 PM

WJ: Considering the origin of the burgers should we now consider them international cuisine?

That sounds so nasty that there needs to be a law that burgers be encased as are hot dogs, sausages, and such that contain equally unpleasant ingredients.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Oct 5, 2009, at 11:19 PM

This link is posted specifically for WTF. That is Wisconsin Tourism Federation, or at least it was until recently. Now it is...just check the link. ;) http://bulldogreporter.com/ME2/Audiences...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Oct 5, 2009, at 11:12 PM

On Health Care, Lanny Davis (of all people) has found has a winner -- The Healthy Americans Act. Imagine universal coverage, private competition and reduced cost all in one.

Learn about it here: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009...

-- Posted by AF Brat on Mon, Oct 5, 2009, at 9:09 AM

Awful close to slander WJ. Have you seen the arrest report? You have a sense of humor that I enjoy, but a cheap shot is just that, cheap. You can do better.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Oct 5, 2009, at 12:13 AM

A good article, Pressman. thanks for sharing.

One suggestion I have is that the constituents of every elected person be the ones to decide on that person's salary. Read the Congressional Record and keep up with what the person does, and either vote for or against retention/raises.

It may be too late for the people to have any say in what happens in Washington, but if we continue to do nothing, that will be a certainty.

-- Posted by Slater on Sun, Oct 4, 2009, at 3:19 PM

Yes it is Pressman. Once again, a whole lot of anger out there, on the left, and the right.

The only problem with voting them all out of office is what will the ones do that we vote into office? More of the same, no matter what they promise? Highly likely.

The real solution is to get the money out of the game. Nothing will really change over the long haul until we taxpayers step up, and demand that we pay for the election campaigns. We will also have to twist the arms of the media who have free use of our airwaves. They must give each viable candidate real time to explain in detail their platforms. There are more details, but that is the gist of it.

Nothing else will work. Even if we vote out every elected official the new ones will be corrupted before their term is out. That is unless we change the rotten system. They will not be in the pocket of the health industry if they can not take one dime of their money for any reason. Of course no lobbyist assistance with anything, particularly overseas junkets, and the like.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Oct 4, 2009, at 2:50 AM

Sometimes about this time on Sunday morning I post a link to Frank Rich's column in the Sunday New York Times. He is a liberal columnist.

This morning I am posting a link to David Brooks' column. He is a conservative columnist.

The subject is something that I have touched on in a few posts. I thought my conservative friends might be more receptive to the point of view if you heard it from one of your own.

Fair, and balanced. This nation belongs to all of us. The more rational both major parties are, the better off ourr nation will be. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/02/opinio...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Oct 4, 2009, at 2:33 AM

An interesting read.

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/for...

-- Posted by pressman on Sun, Oct 4, 2009, at 2:12 AM

Interesting link WJ. Sure are a lot of angry people around. I just hope that they arm with keyboards, and microphones, not lynch ropes, and guns. BTW you wearin a white arm band?

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Oct 4, 2009, at 1:59 AM

Chris Conner: So easy to listen to.

Now that Upsedaisy has mentioned the clarinet, this is one of my favorites.

Mr. Acker Bilk.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxHBCNCBJ...

-- Posted by pressman on Sun, Oct 4, 2009, at 12:36 AM

Kathy, thanks for the recipe. Mouthwatering. The thought of how many miles I'd have to walk to work off the heavy cream keeps me out of the kitchen. (Fortunately there is only fat free milk in the refrigerator). Temptation get thee behind me! (and push:)

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Sat, Oct 3, 2009, at 8:10 PM

Upsedaisy: If you can't find butterscotch pudding, you can make it from scratch:

http://www.gourmet.com/recipes/2000s/200...

This sounds WONDERFUL on a cold evening like this!

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Sat, Oct 3, 2009, at 6:25 PM

A health care system parody. Too good not to pass on.

http://www.nationaljournal.com/njmagazin...

-- Posted by AF Brat on Sat, Oct 3, 2009, at 3:18 PM

Thanks for Fiore. "Dour times" lifter.

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Fri, Oct 2, 2009, at 11:44 PM

Sidebar story talks about the drop since 1999 of attendance at Missouri State Parks. Nixon plans study. Joy another study.

Good luck on butterscotch pudding search. I've looked for it--seems to be unavailable locally.

Over the witching hour by 43 minutes, so goodnight y'all.

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Fri, Oct 2, 2009, at 11:43 PM

Good night all. I'm clocking out to go watch Shadow of a Doubt.

-- Posted by Slater on Fri, Oct 2, 2009, at 11:39 PM

Howdy OK

-- Posted by Slater on Fri, Oct 2, 2009, at 11:29 PM

Evenin; this proves there is humor in anything. I wonder if our humor is going to sink to the levels of the mordant,cynical humor of the Russians as the USSR began to unravel? It might be something to watch in these dour times.

http://www.markfiore.com/

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Oct 2, 2009, at 11:24 PM

Here it is:

"And there's a weepy ol' willow

He really knows how to cry

That's how i cry in my pillow

If you should tell me

Farewell and goodbye"

I think the people of Wyoming should have been moved to Alaska a few decades ago.

I can't remember when I last had butterscotch pudding, so I'll be adding my order for one box to the next grocery list. :)

-- Posted by Slater on Fri, Oct 2, 2009, at 11:19 PM

Isn't there a line in Birdland, when she sings "farewell and goodbye"?

You had to go and bring up butterscotch pudding! I still like it!

The two Roosevelts weren't thinking about socialism when they busied themselves w/the national parks. Interesting the reaction of people in Wyoming and Alaska when parks were proposed.

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Fri, Oct 2, 2009, at 11:07 PM

Upsedaisy, I appreciate seeing the information about her.

This will no doubt sound odd, but hearing her voice always made me think of butterscotch pudding, which I liked very much. :)

One more of the memory makers gone.

-- Posted by Slater on Fri, Oct 2, 2009, at 9:12 PM

Thanks for link to Chris Connor. I checked out her obituary on The Guardian (UK) which gave her name. It was a good thing she shortened it!. I saw Stan Kenton in KC, in Jan 51. He thought she was quite good even at a time, when some critics were being critics. Here's a bit from The Guardian, perhaps someone may have known her in school in KC or Jeff City.

"She was born Mary Loutsenhizer in Kansas City, Missouri, then a hotbed of jazz activity, where her father was a telegrapher for Western Union. He took her to many live jazz performances. According to her family, she set her sights on a vocal career from the age of six. At high school, she was first clarinet in the school band and played the instrument for eight years, becoming a confident sight-reader. 'Playing the clarinet trained me in the basics of breath control, which is very important for singing,' she said. She also haunted the local record shop, listening to Peggy Lee, an obvious influence, as well as Frank Sinatra, Ella Fitzgerald and Sarah Vaughan, saying: 'I listened hard, not just to the melodies but to the words and the phrasing. Sinatra's phrasing was the best.'

Working as a secretary in nearby Jefferson City, Chris Connor (as she had begun to call herself) sang with a student orchestra for weekend campus dances at the University of Missouri. Led by the music director Paul Cherches, the band used stock arrangements of Kenton tunes, this experience only intensifying Connor's desire to sing with Kenton.'It gave me the spark and confidence to sing professionally,' she said, emphasising that she had had no formal vocal training.'

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Fri, Oct 2, 2009, at 8:28 PM

Leaked video: Glenn Beck 'uses Vicks to cry on cue'

with video...

http://rawstory.com/2009/10/leaked-video...

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Oct 2, 2009, at 4:27 PM

That's right, Upsedaisy. One hour os sleep before midnight is equal to two hours after midnight. Geezeritis, OKR calls it. :)

I think it's true in my case; I've noticed that I feel more alert immediately upon arising if I get an hour or so of sleep before midnight.

Of course we may be able to induce the same effect by telling ourselves we'll be bright-eyed when we wake, much the same as we can awaken at a certain time by telling ourselves that's what we want to do when we go to bed.

Maybe it's all in my mind, and I just dream all of this. :)

Sometime overnight I dreamed that the cat (who is now 14) became a kitten again. I was in the kitchen making coffee and I heard a bumping noise coming from inside a cabinet. When I opened the door, she popped out, young once again.

What do you suppose that might imply in my own case? (heh heh)

-- Posted by Slater on Fri, Oct 2, 2009, at 10:29 AM

Slater, it seems just a short time ago, you posted an exhortation to night owls that the most important sleep came before midnight. Or was that a "dream"?

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Fri, Oct 2, 2009, at 12:33 AM

And here's the person who wrote the song that Chris Connor and many others have sung:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1CAgSbND...

-- Posted by Slater on Thu, Oct 1, 2009, at 11:57 PM

Here's a bit of trivia that I expect Pressman knows, but for any of you music lovers who may not know - the following is a recording by a girl (Chris Connor) who hails from Jefferson City. She didn't experience the same level of popularity that others of her same time period did, but she did make a name for herself:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkiVkinGx...

-- Posted by Slater on Thu, Oct 1, 2009, at 11:44 PM

Today is the birthday of a friend in Kansas City. She's 39, for the 27th time. :)

-- Posted by Slater on Thu, Oct 1, 2009, at 11:11 PM

Not exactly correct, NanaDot.

In 2009, roughly 47% of households, or 71 million, will owe ZERO federal income tax (and many receive, in effect, a subsidy from those who do pay), says a CNN article located here: http://money.cnn.com/2009/09/30/pf/taxes...

Furthermore, according to the non-partisan Tax Policy Center: comparing shares of the the individual income tax reveals steep progressivity under the present post-Bush rates. "The top quintile will pay 91 percent of the tax from their 53 percent share of total income [almost twice], and the top 1 percent's 36 percent share will more than double the 16 percent of income they will get. In contrast, the bottom two quintiles will collect a net subsidy of almost 10 percent of individual income tax revenue." http://www.taxgirl.com/wp-content/upload...

Income is what counts, assets (wealth) are only worth what they will produce.

-- Posted by AF Brat on Thu, Oct 1, 2009, at 8:07 PM

Brat,

Thanks for the links, but based on what I read in the abstract, this study has very little to do with how the stimulus money has been spent to this point.

I'd like to see the actual study summary. Do you have a copy of the paper?

-- Posted by Slater on Thu, Oct 1, 2009, at 6:17 PM

Midmocat,

Rush Limbaugh called and wants his schtick back. Where you when when bush was ruining our country?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Thu, Oct 1, 2009, at 2:50 PM

Slater posted: "Brat, I may want to agree with you on this one, but first let's see the link to this 'statement of empirical fact.'"

Here is the macroeconomics article that supports the author's Commentary piece. http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?a...

-- Posted by AF Brat on Thu, Oct 1, 2009, at 2:42 PM

Brat, I may want to agree with you on this one, but first let's see the link to this "statement of empirical fact."

-- Posted by Slater on Thu, Oct 1, 2009, at 12:01 PM

Last week someone asked "where has the Stimulus gone?"

A new study by Harvard economists concludes: "The available empirical evidence does not support the idea that [government] spending multipliers typically exceed one, and thus spending stimulus programs will likely raise GDP by less than the increase in government spending. Defense-spending multipliers exceeding one likely apply only at very high unemployment rates, and nondefense multipliers are probably smaller. However, there is empirical support for the proposition that tax rate reductions will increase real GDP."

Lost in the "friction" of bureaucracy. And our health care is next?

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424...

-- Posted by AF Brat on Thu, Oct 1, 2009, at 11:14 AM

GET RID OF THE PUBLIC OPTION...the recommendation of a traitor to the left. Must read.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cg...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Oct 1, 2009, at 1:47 AM

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2009/09300...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Oct 1, 2009, at 1:38 AM

This link is a must for all of you that are trying to figure out the puzzle that is Afghanistan. It might be called how the Taliban got power. You will be surprised as to the depth of our role in their takeover, or maybe you won't depending on the level of your cynicism.http://www.consortiumnews.com/2009/093009a.html

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Oct 1, 2009, at 1:35 AM

The cat is in here insisting on having her bedtime snack, so I better get along as well. Later! :)

-- Posted by Slater on Thu, Oct 1, 2009, at 1:05 AM

Gonna sign off, I am gettin a bad case of geezeritis.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Oct 1, 2009, at 1:02 AM

Ha ha...there's nothing like a little office humor to get the day started off right.

-- Posted by Slater on Thu, Oct 1, 2009, at 1:02 AM

I am going to send it to my wife's work place so that she can catch it first thing in the morning. Can't resist the opportunity to stir a little s...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Oct 1, 2009, at 12:59 AM

I don't know what kind it is, but I got a laugh from it. I sent it to my daughter, but she didn't think it was very funny. heh heh

-- Posted by Slater on Thu, Oct 1, 2009, at 12:56 AM

Got it, funny. Is that an old English Ford? I seem to remember some one in Marshall had one of those for a while... I think.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Oct 1, 2009, at 12:55 AM

Yep, I wouldn't be a bit surprised. It's becoming more obvious that he's not above accepting a few "gratuities."

-- Posted by Slater on Thu, Oct 1, 2009, at 12:53 AM

Oh yes! My mail order business is flourishing! :)

-- Posted by Slater on Thu, Oct 1, 2009, at 12:49 AM

The thought just occurred to me that if Obama becomes the Democratic Party nominee in 2012, he may get a lot of secret cash funneled to him by Remington, Ruger, Winchester, et al. They can't make bullets fast enough for the yahoos, and guns are flying off the shelves. Such a deal! :)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Oct 1, 2009, at 12:47 AM

OKR, look in your mailbox in a minute and you'll see the kind of thing I had in mind to convert.

-- Posted by Slater on Thu, Oct 1, 2009, at 12:47 AM

Yes, I know how to do that. Actually I was trying to figure not how to convert mp3 files, but video files into hyperlinks. That one had me stumped and I kind of lost interest in pursuing it.

I have a few short video files, in various formats, and I thought I wanted to try and make postable links for them.

I started reading about it but it was looking like it might be more involved than I wanted to get, so I put it aside.

-- Posted by Slater on Thu, Oct 1, 2009, at 12:38 AM

Now you have lost me on the MP3 deal.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Oct 1, 2009, at 12:36 AM

Slater the way I insert hyerlinks is to right click on the box that says http://www.etc. then right click copy. Then I go back to where I am writing, right click again, and hit paste. The place where you put it may not show blue, but when you click preview your comment it comes up blue, and clickable on that screen. Give it a try.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Oct 1, 2009, at 12:33 AM

I was trying to figure out how to turn mp3 files into hyperlinks.

-- Posted by Slater on Thu, Oct 1, 2009, at 12:32 AM

in general, and yes, i agree that this has become more like facebook/twitter, but that's okay by me.

-- Posted by Slater on Thu, Oct 1, 2009, at 12:28 AM

Slater are you taling hyperlinking e mails, or just hyperlinks in general?

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Oct 1, 2009, at 12:26 AM

My dad was born in 1900 and my mom 1904, and they had similar experiences to the Miami folk.

My paternal grandfather was born in Harrisonville and my maternal grandfather was born in Ireland and came to the US when he was just a boy. He died in 1961 at age 92.

-- Posted by Slater on Thu, Oct 1, 2009, at 12:26 AM

I reflected earlier this evening that this blog (for the moment) may be turning into face book for technically challenged Geezers, watcha think?

Actually this is a great outlet for us if for no other reason than to inform the youngsters (fifty, and under) that we are not all asleep by nine oclock, and that occasionally we can have a lucid thought.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Oct 1, 2009, at 12:23 AM

A while back I started looking to see how to make hyperlinks, but didn't get very far. I should get back to that. I have an idea I don't have enough of the right kind of gadgets on this pc.

-- Posted by Slater on Thu, Oct 1, 2009, at 12:20 AM

I am still going to try to find a way to post that one. It is the antithesis of the loony right's (a.k.a. the face of the modern Republican Party) misinformed e mails.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Oct 1, 2009, at 12:17 AM

I see a good old movie coming on TCM at 7 this morning - Nora Prentiss, with Ann Sheridan (what a lovely lady!), Kent Smith, and Bruce Bennett. Dramaa.

-- Posted by Slater on Thu, Oct 1, 2009, at 12:17 AM

How's your library card holding up? :)

-- Posted by Slater on Thu, Oct 1, 2009, at 12:11 AM

Could be attributed to that tasty Shiner 100 I had earlier. :)

-- Posted by Slater on Thu, Oct 1, 2009, at 12:10 AM

Well, I really thought I was gonna turn into a pumpkin, but not tonight!

-- Posted by Slater on Thu, Oct 1, 2009, at 12:09 AM

Hey Slater, I can't believe you are still up. It is past the witching hour.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Oct 1, 2009, at 12:07 AM

I always liked the word - Geezer. It just comes rolling right out. :)

-- Posted by Slater on Thu, Oct 1, 2009, at 12:05 AM

Newsacross are you up having your coffee yet?

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Oct 1, 2009, at 12:03 AM

Upsedaisy I would never seiously call a person with a mind as sharp as yours Geezer, nor Geezerette, so it is a moot point. I'm glad you enjoyed my post.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Oct 1, 2009, at 12:01 AM

Will definitely take a look at Sydney's blog...tomorrow! It's lights out for me! Nite all.

-- Posted by nouveaublogger on Wed, Sep 30, 2009, at 11:55 PM

I found Wib Myer's diary two or three years ago. I didn't know any of the families, nor was kin to any of the Miami folk.

As someone else had mentioned, it gave me a better grasp of what life was like around the turn of the century for my parents, and grand parents. My Dad was born 1905 in Malta Bend, My mother was born 1907 in Harrison County near Bethany. So life was very similar for my folks, and my grands, to what Wib Meyers detailed. It is fascinating.

I recall my grand dad telling me when I was a kid that when the Missouri River froze in the winter that he, and his friends would ice skate on the river up to Grand Pass, and back.

Anyway I have enjoyed all your comments on the subject, and share the opinions of your observations.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Sep 30, 2009, at 11:55 PM

One thing I can definitely say about my classmates - the girls all look terrific!! Can't say the same about the boys, though. HA! Just kidding! :)

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, Sep 30, 2009, at 11:53 PM

The Christian Church is the one I grew up in.

I was just remembering a time there, I was 4 and we were having a Christmas program. I got up and recited Twas the Night Before Christmas - with the help of my brother who let me hang onto his finger as he squatted down and prompted me occasionally. :)

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, Sep 30, 2009, at 11:48 PM

NB: Thanks for positioning.

I noted the Christian church. My aunt and uncle rented one of the two story duplexes behind the church for a time. I think the owners were the Allisons.

Wish Slater could have been there to see all those "old" classmates.

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Wed, Sep 30, 2009, at 11:43 PM

Aw Slater...they didn't look so old! They looked like a bunch of kids still wet behind the ears!

Foot's doing a bit better...forced my foot into a shoe yesterday for most of the day before returning to the flip flops! Sort of like a work-hardening program! HA! It is going to get cold soon....will need the shoes on the cold concrete floor. Has been down in the 40's the last couple of nights.

-- Posted by nouveaublogger on Wed, Sep 30, 2009, at 11:42 PM

OKR, did you go out for a breath of that air coming down the plain?

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, Sep 30, 2009, at 11:42 PM

Upsedaisy, it's one custom the idea of which I found to be very appealing.

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, Sep 30, 2009, at 11:40 PM

Glad to have another reader, Nouveau Blog. Up to four now. It was a real labor of love for the person who keyboarded Wib's diaries. She notes that his handwriting was thankfully easy to read.

The formality of courting may be long gone, but that isn't a "good thing" as Martha would put it.

Incidentally, Sydney blogs about the "National Parks" this week.

Worth reading when you have a chance.

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Wed, Sep 30, 2009, at 11:33 PM

Hey NB!

The diaries sure are engrossing! I'm rationing them so the spell will last longer. :)

So, you drove the Chevy in the parade, eh? What's the candy-throwing about? Kind of a take-off of the Mardi Gras parades? If that's a regular feature I'll have to try and be on hand next time. Heh heh

The neck is some better, thanks. Slowly but surely.

I got a photo taken at the class reunion last Saturday, and I think there was a mix-up. Surely those can't be my "old" classmates!! HA!

How are you doing? Feet holding up?

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, Sep 30, 2009, at 11:31 PM

Upsedaisy,

The car show was the last block "down town" on main street and parker. Started on the corner from the Christian Church and up a couple of blocks. Lots of really great cars there! Hubs decided that morning to put his in the show. Didn't win anything, though :(.

-- Posted by nouveaublogger on Wed, Sep 30, 2009, at 11:27 PM

Hey there Slater,

How's the neck doing? I have also been reading the "Miami diaries". I have been completely mesmerized! Several ancestors (relations) names and/or lives have appeared from my husbands family tree. Have yet to get a chance to talk to my sis-in-law and tell her about these links. Have spoken to my mother-in-law and she recognizes quite a few. The one family name that I'm going try and research is Burruss as that was my paternal grandmother's maiden name. However, her family came from southern MO, so don't have a clue if there is a link, but am going to have a look see. Saw "your" class float from a distance at the parade Saturday. The day turned out quite beautiful. I drove THE chevy truck in the parade, thew out two tons of candy! Was fun!

-- Posted by nouveaublogger on Wed, Sep 30, 2009, at 11:24 PM

You know, I started to look at that article this afternoon when my daughter called and I didn't get back to it. I'm not sure I could figure out what I was seeing anyway, but I'm going to have another look. :)

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, Sep 30, 2009, at 11:22 PM

Upsedaisy, it's interesting as I read Wib Myers' entries about the social custom of note-passing asking for permission to spend time with females. Wouldn't that make the heads of today's kids spin!

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, Sep 30, 2009, at 11:18 PM

Hi Slater, Did you recognize the street(s) where the auto show took place? Was the first shot on Front Street? I was in Slater in Sep 2006, there were many gaps.

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Wed, Sep 30, 2009, at 11:18 PM

I feel a pumpkin coming on, in about 53 minutes.

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, Sep 30, 2009, at 11:06 PM

A few years ago I watched a PBS documentary series about two high school-age boys in Appalachia focusing on family support and involvement in their education. The program contrasted the two families - one involved, one not - and the outcomes for each boy.

Very interesting and also very sad.

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, Sep 30, 2009, at 11:00 PM

OKR, I did like your thoughts last night--sorry to be so long in getting back. Tonight I have been nodding off, Am I a "geezer" or a geezerette? Last night, I was watching the. National Parks epic and reading the "Miami Diaries". Like Slater, I've been exploring family genealogy again, . Hadn't looked at it for a number of years and am discovering new information.

On judging people by the color of their skin, or geographic location or economic situation: It is an injustice in a democratic republic.

A neighbor and friend taught third grade fpr 30 years in an elementary school in a Cleveland western suburb. Many of her pupils were the children of people from Appalachia.

She was always impressed by the parents' interest and commitment to their children's education. The children themselves were very supportive of one another. If one was at the board for math or in a reading group, the children would comment afterwards, "You done good." Perhaps not perfect grammar, but much better than today's attitude that being smart isn't cool.

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Wed, Sep 30, 2009, at 10:45 PM

Just finished blabbing with Craig, about his new computer. He loves Vista. :)

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, Sep 30, 2009, at 10:44 PM

Howdy OKR...

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, Sep 30, 2009, at 10:43 PM

Oh, we have to think, too?? heh heh

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, Sep 30, 2009, at 10:42 PM

Is it gonna be just gray heads tonight, or is it gonna be gray heads with gray matter?

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Sep 30, 2009, at 10:40 PM

Yup, (was the terse reply). Evenin Slater.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Sep 30, 2009, at 10:37 PM

Hiya Hootowls! Everybody okay? :)

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, Sep 30, 2009, at 10:20 PM

Where are the classified ads? Says no classified ads currently posted.

-- Posted by Tori on Wed, Sep 30, 2009, at 7:48 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
We had a technical problem. We're going to try to get it resolved first thing in the morning.

OKR, you have more faith than I do.

Upsedaisy has the steady hand on the throttle. She keeps us all in line. :)

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, Sep 30, 2009, at 6:02 PM

You go Upsedaisy. Thanks for portraying the human side of things. Sometimes a lot of us get crass, me included in my past, and forget to love our brothers, and sisters.

Wonder Jim, I still have faith that you have a good shot at ending your errantcy. :)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Sep 30, 2009, at 5:39 PM

WonderJim, When you are starving it's mighty hard to get on your feet and walk away from the only home you've known. Many of the Appalachian poor did get on the road, ( I-77) to Akron, Cleveland, and Detroit and found industrial jobs . Those jobs are gone--gone overseas for still cheaper labor. Akron, Cleveland and Detroit are wastelands. The average price of a home in Detroit is $7,500.

Without jobs, many have returned to their beloved hills. Those hills are beautiful, heating costs are much lower as are taxes. Having a garden for food is a lot easier and probably healthier too when you consider the soil contamination in any of the above named cities.

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Wed, Sep 30, 2009, at 1:08 PM

Farmerwife,

I'm finding the W.S. Myers diaries most enjoyable! I can't thank you enough for the reference!

I'm hoping to learn a thing or two about the Saufley family which may answer a question we have about one of its members.

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, Sep 30, 2009, at 9:52 AM

WonderJim,

Ok...after reading your "explanation," I think I see what the problem is.

I hope you will understand why I am no longer willing to read any more of your comments or associate with you in any form or fashion.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Sep 30, 2009, at 12:30 AM

Heck, I guess all the other Geezers nod off at midnight. I'll just have to stir things up somewhere else in some other way, or maybe I'll just go pet my dog. GOODNIGHT...grump grump darn ole fools don't know what the....

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Sep 30, 2009, at 12:21 AM

O K WJ, thank you for your response.

I have no quarrel with the premise that capitalism/free enterprise can spur innovation.

The problem with any economic system including capitalism is that egregious actions harming the people will occur unless the system is well regulated. The allowance of unfettered capitalism results in social Darwinism run amok.

Why limit the use of a better mouse trap to five percent of those who need it? A primary goal of any economic system should be to assure the well being of the greatest number of its citizens.

Pure socialism will not work because the lack of incentive destroys iniative. Pure capitalism will not work because greed will unhinge it.

A successful blend of capitalism, and socialism has historically had the greater yield. Neither in its pure form has ever been sustainable. The devil, as always, is in the details.

Ronald Reagan was the figure head that began the devolution of our economy, and it was continued by figure heads Bush/Clinton/Bush. Regulation has systematically been withdrawn. The result is the Great Recession. We must now reregulate to regain equilibrium.

Good regulation does not quell initiative, nor progress, it merely guides it in positive directions. I am certain that if mining companies had not been allowed to lop off the tops of mountains, and toss them into mountain streams, a more sustainable method of extraction of the earthbound product would have been developed. It would likely have resulted in desirable spin offs. After all, no action stands alone, and a sustainable constructive action, will have a more constructive tail than a destructive action whose tail will continue upon the path started.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Sep 30, 2009, at 12:07 AM

I'm glad you got a laugh, for that was the intention.

-- Posted by Slater on Tue, Sep 29, 2009, at 10:38 PM

WonderJim,

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3nizn_...

-- Posted by Slater on Tue, Sep 29, 2009, at 10:12 PM

WonderJim,

Please correct me if I am wrong, but sounds like you are trying to blame the former American slaves for their enslavement.

Surely you can't be serious.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Sep 29, 2009, at 8:59 PM

WonderJim,

I now see your boundary of abstract reasoning. If there's a next time, I'll be more concrete.

-- Posted by Slater on Tue, Sep 29, 2009, at 5:15 PM

SENATE KILLS HEALTH CARE ACCESS REFORM BILL!

Republicans and Blue-Dogs vote to kill public option.

http://rawstory.com/2009/09/senate-commi...

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Sep 29, 2009, at 4:46 PM

Off topic.....

Is anyone else about ready for this APAC bunch to get out of town? Geez...what a disorganized mess. I hope we taxpayers are paying them by the job and not by the hour.

-- Posted by outsider on Tue, Sep 29, 2009, at 4:36 PM

WonderJim,

I see my questions were too abstract, but thanks for trying!

-- Posted by Slater on Tue, Sep 29, 2009, at 4:18 PM

Pressman,

For all of us displaced Missourians, I say thanks! :)

Ohhh, my aching feet!

-- Posted by Slater on Tue, Sep 29, 2009, at 4:15 PM

Thanks sir, it is nice to hear from people in my hometown, sometimes I forget how far away I am from there, until something like this happens. I told my friends here it reminded me of the flood we had in MO in 1993, but this time my house we right in the middle of it, guess I shouldn't have rented so close to the river, lol.

Take care,

Ricky

-- Posted by riclin1 on Tue, Sep 29, 2009, at 4:01 PM

To Wonderjim, lol. I don't have a criminal history that I know of, and I don't have access to my credit report, I am assuming you jest. Thanks for making me smile though, I appreciate it!

-- Posted by riclin1 on Tue, Sep 29, 2009, at 3:45 PM

Hello, this is Ricky Franklin, Marshall, MO is my hometown, but I now live in the Philippines, I am sure that you all saw on the news that we just got hit hard by flash flooding here and we all lost so much stuff. It has been one of the most traumatic experiences in my life. I was able to save my cat and some of my clothes and our laptop while wading through chest deep water. My family is taking donations there in Marshall to help us rebuild our lives here. We all lost so much and need help if anyone can do it. Thanks so much for your help and take care of yourselves. If you would like contact information for my family email me at riclin1@gmail.com. I will try to post pictures and video we took with a cell phone on my blog as soon as I can find a way to get them on my computer. Thanks in advance for anything you can help with. A little goes a long way in this country. By the way, a little more about me so you all might remember me. My name is Ricky Franklin, My grandparents were Ina Mae Breshears, and Alfred Clifton Breshears who lived on Odell street most of their lives before buying a small house on Jackson street. My family lived on Cortney Ave. My mom is Deborah Franklin and my Dad is Rick Franklin. I have 1 sister named Natalie, and 4 adopted siblings as well. I used to manage the license bureau there right before Matt Blunt got elected. If you eat at Joan's Drive-in off the square, you can ask Connie about me, my mom and her are friends. This was a tragedy that came without warning, we were not prepared for it and did not expect something so bad to happen so fast. Again, you can contact me at riclin1@gmail.com if you want to help out.

-- Posted by riclin1 on Tue, Sep 29, 2009, at 3:41 PM

Slater,

Here is one for you and other displaced Missourians.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxzJEvG-R...

-- Posted by pressman on Tue, Sep 29, 2009, at 2:36 PM

Lots of illness in the Marshall schools. Yuck...the flu is among us!

-- Posted by momaster on Tue, Sep 29, 2009, at 2:08 PM

Wow. Deepest admiration for all who hop on here bright-eyed and bushytailed w/insightful comments in the early a.m. Thanks Slater for the link to AP report. Another variation on "the rich get richer" ends with "and the poor have children." In the report, I was surprised that Cleveland ranked at the bottom. I would have pegged Detroit. Cleveland's industrial base has declined. The largest employer is now Cleveland Clinic.

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Tue, Sep 29, 2009, at 1:09 PM

Sing it, Gene!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXEZuAfxT...

-- Posted by Slater on Tue, Sep 29, 2009, at 11:23 AM

The rich grow richer while the poor grow poorer:

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/U...

An AP article lifted from today's Columbia Tribune.

-- Posted by Slater on Tue, Sep 29, 2009, at 11:04 AM

Howdy Slater.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Sep 29, 2009, at 10:52 AM

Mornin' OKR

-- Posted by Slater on Tue, Sep 29, 2009, at 10:38 AM

WonderJim: I have been considering your recent statements, and have been in a quandary as to whether I agree with you or not. I have even been stymied in my effort to ask you questions so that I could learn more before I made additional comment.

I finally realized that I was high centered (couldn't move) because I did not know what you meant by capitalism. Capitalism, and socialism for that matter, are both terms that are bandied about, and are percieved differently by each individual. This link will give you an idea as to what I mean. http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?...

So, help me out here if you would, and define what you are propounding. Thanks

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Sep 29, 2009, at 10:11 AM

WonderJim, I'd like to hear your explanation of how capitalism turns profits into progrress.

Then tell me how you see contemporary human nature interacting with the pursuit of capitalism.

-- Posted by Slater on Tue, Sep 29, 2009, at 9:51 AM

Nana Dot: Thanks for the Link. Yes, Micheal Moore has my Confidence, with his research into all the unjust, and Criminal Act's in our system!If we just had the will to correct it? I haven't seen it yet! People are still cheering for these Crook's!

-- Posted by Jo on Mon, Sep 28, 2009, at 8:18 PM

Thanks for the link, ND. Now we need a bunch more Michael Moore's.

-- Posted by Slater on Mon, Sep 28, 2009, at 7:44 PM

Very interesting link ND. Jo, Slater, good to see your "voices". TomMob what did you think of the link? We are all in this together partner. Do you have the same concerns about the way wealth has been redistributed?

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Sep 28, 2009, at 6:56 PM

Jo, studies show that you're right on target in your thinking. The vast majority of the people below the poverty level haven't chosen to be in that situation and in fact many of them work two and three jobs just to stay afloat.

People who make a blanket statement that poor people are poor because they're lazy speak out of turn and need to learn the facts.

-- Posted by Slater on Mon, Sep 28, 2009, at 5:46 PM

I think a lot of the People Equate the Poor with lazy! I don't Personally, i think it has to do with, Education, Dignity, Self Esteem, & Opportunity! Some just can't break out of it,through no fault of there own. I don't mind my Taxes helping People! The Law's should take care of the Cheat's! the majority don't chose to be Poor,in my opinion, but there are people who wouldn't push you out of the way, of a speeding truck,but what do i know ha.

-- Posted by Jo on Mon, Sep 28, 2009, at 5:19 PM

Tommob you kinda took it in a different direction. By lower classers I meant a part of the working class, just low wage folks. There's lots of em out there. Unfortunately more all the time as companies cut hours, and wages to avoid firing people. Can't leave out all those that have been laid off, and can't find a job. Its my understanding that there are six times as many people looking for jobs as there are jobs available. I shoulda been clearer in my description of lower classers.

We also need to be mindful that the rich will always try to stir divisiveness between the lower classers, and middle classers to keep the heat off of their own privileged selves.

I am very concerned that every single indicator shows that the middle class is shrinking. All those folks falling below middle class didn't suddenly develop a penchant for sittin barefoot on the porch all day with there biggest problem bein whether to first scratch the coon dog's back, or their own.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Sep 28, 2009, at 5:03 PM

THe middle class are the only ones slowly sinking. The lower class are still getting what they need...at our expense. THey want what the working class have without lifting a finger and...they are getting it. When is it going to end?

-- Posted by tommob on Mon, Sep 28, 2009, at 2:21 PM

Mornin' OKR,

I'm envisioning a Gary Larson cartoon based on your post. :)

-- Posted by Slater on Mon, Sep 28, 2009, at 9:40 AM

Evenin Slater. I don't know that there is any one answer to your question. One partial answer, and I only partially jest, well maybe it is a full blown jest (of the gallows humor variety) is that once the very rich were assured that they would not be discomfited there just wasn't enough left to help the rest of us.

I guess the powers that be figure that we middle classers are tough, innovative, and can learn to get by with less. On the other hand the very rich might just fall into a helpless, hysterical swoon if they had to give up yachts, great mansions, and all the rest.

I am certain that the honest brokers that made the decision as to who needed help the most utilized their infinite wisdom. We middle classers can learn to take the bus. The rich don't even know where the bus stops are. I am so proud that they see the wonderful resilience of the middle class.

Of course they think even more of the lower classers, and are assured that they are even more heroic. They think that we can get by on less. They think that the lower classers can get by on nothing. Therefore it is also good strategy to make lower classers out of a good many of the middle classers.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Sep 28, 2009, at 12:00 AM

In eight minutes I turn into a pumpkin.

-- Posted by Slater on Sun, Sep 27, 2009, at 11:52 PM

I watched a few minutes of Link TV today and heard some people talking about the behavioral changes occurring in dogs over a 14-day period after becoming impounded, regardless of the quality of the facility.

-- Posted by Slater on Sun, Sep 27, 2009, at 11:49 PM

Question...

What's up with the national infrastructure work that was supposed to take place?

I understood that those jobs would be easily created.

-- Posted by Slater on Sun, Sep 27, 2009, at 11:42 PM

Reading about people and events from years long passed got me thinking about the great American composer, Aaron Copland, and one of his best-known compositions:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJBx_aFfg...

-- Posted by Slater on Sun, Sep 27, 2009, at 11:16 PM

More truth if you have the stomach for it. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/27/busine...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Sep 27, 2009, at 11:05 PM

Twelve percent of the population on food stamps, and many other indicators that the recession is deepening for all but the upper class.

Click the link for a dose of reality.

http://www.mybudget360.com/35-million-am...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Sep 27, 2009, at 10:57 PM

Remember Owlies, coming October 4th! :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72qZZapTH...

-- Posted by Slater on Sun, Sep 27, 2009, at 10:52 PM

...or correctly, sequoias. :)

-- Posted by Slater on Sun, Sep 27, 2009, at 10:38 PM

Hey Hootowls! I'm back from measuring Sequoia's!

-- Posted by Slater on Sun, Sep 27, 2009, at 10:36 PM

Missy08, Thanks for the review. I've wanted to see the Bend ladies' quilts for ages. It's on my "BID" list. I have three quilts that were made in Saline County. They're a bit "raggedy" around the edges, but gosh, they provide the best night's sleep on hot summer nights. There is a whole lot of love stitched into them.

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Sun, Sep 27, 2009, at 9:04 PM

You bet, Slater. Burns makes everything look wonderful!

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Sun, Sep 27, 2009, at 7:51 PM

Anyone planning to watch tonight's start to the PBS National Parks series?

-- Posted by Slater on Sun, Sep 27, 2009, at 7:28 PM

Missy, I hope you were able to take photos to share with Upsedaisy and the rest of us. :)

-- Posted by Slater on Sun, Sep 27, 2009, at 1:13 PM

OKR

The "Yes Men" appear as a series on Link TV, a San Francisco based channel that I get on Directv. Lots of interesting stuff and docs on Link.

http://www.linktv.org/programs/the-yes-m...

Craig

-- Posted by ceh_meh@verizon.net on Sun, Sep 27, 2009, at 1:09 PM

I attended the quilt show at the YMCA yesterday. Oh my goodness! If you have any time today, you really should go see what that guild has put together. There is a display of about 15 Gee's Bend quilts and there are three Gee's Bend quilters there! They will visit with you about their quilts and autograph your Gee's Bend "stuff". Of course, the guild has many beautiful "home grown" quilts on display too!

Have a great day!

M

-- Posted by missy08 on Sun, Sep 27, 2009, at 7:36 AM

Slater: You come up w/some interesting quotes. Beat had not occurred to me, though I have heard it. Recently you were talking about how close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades. Plumbing the depths of genealogy can hook you in. I have been exploring for hours.

I hopscotched around in the Myers diaries. Interested in the years I mentioned. His reports on the weather were interesting. W/O HVAC--weather certainly had a bigger impact on their lives. There apparently was a ferry or skiff in operation on the MO river. Returning from NO he was ill enough to seek out a doctor in St. Louis, but refused to let the doctor examine him when the doctor wanted $25.00. (Health care was expensive in the 1900s).

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Sun, Sep 27, 2009, at 1:45 AM

Comp;ete title; "The Yes men Fix The World", opening October 7th.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Sep 27, 2009, at 1:41 AM

New movie, "The yes men" probably won't play in Saline County. http://theyesmenfixtheworld.com/

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Sep 27, 2009, at 1:35 AM

Upsedaisy, that Geat business was a little strange, alright. I was trying to say AFBrat, you're beating upon thy horse, although it has long since been rendered lifeless. I can't explain how it came out the way it did. :)

I've read only 1887 and 1888 so far, so I haven't gotten to the Myers family except for what was indicated during 1887, unless I overlooked some things.

I saw a family photo in front of the house where Wilbert and his sister Rettie were born. I need to look for his family information so that I'll have a better understanding of how the members got to where they were when Wilbert began his diary.

I had a chuckle about the entry of December 31, 1888, when he reported about the oyster supper at "Mrs. Dr. Edmonds."

-- Posted by Slater on Sat, Sep 26, 2009, at 11:28 PM

I am just home from the MVC Rodeo. I want to congratulate all the men and women who work so hard year after year to make that event happen. Again, this year it was well organized and a pleasure to attend. Great job Missouri Valley Rodeo team! The community is proud of you!

-- Posted by litlmissme on Sat, Sep 26, 2009, at 10:39 PM

Slater: "Great" or "get" upon one's horse?" Reference pictures in your living room. Did you read Wilbert Sterrett Myers family line?

He was the last of 9 children. His older brother, Newton married Martha "Mattie" Saufley. Perhaps, cousins or sisters of your wife's great grandmother, Anna Saufley. The Moyers/Myers family did not move to the Miami area until after the Civil War. They were Virginians. Only the last two children were born in Miami.

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Sat, Sep 26, 2009, at 7:18 PM

AF Brat,

Geat upon thy horse, long since rendered lifeless.

-- Posted by Slater on Sat, Sep 26, 2009, at 6:20 PM

CONGRADS MHS FOOTBALL TEAM, FINALLY GOT THAT WIN HANG IN THERE! WERE ALWAYS PROUD OF YOU GUYS NO MATTER WHAT THE SCORE IS AT THE END OF THE GAME.

-- Posted by mofireman on Sat, Sep 26, 2009, at 6:16 PM

Upsedaisy, it is indeed fascinating reading! This afternoon, off and on, I've finished the first two years, and I'm looking forward to the remaining entries.

A Jeter family lived about two blocks from my family in Slater, and I believe their son was in school with one of my sisters.

We have painted photographs, probably 20" x 24", done about 1889 of Augustus Rafe Edmonds and Anna Saufley Edmonds hanging in our living room. Images of the times and conditions flash through my mind as I read about the different people mentioned in these diary entries.

Thank you again, farmerwife!

-- Posted by Slater on Sat, Sep 26, 2009, at 6:13 PM

Kathy,

He said, quoting the statute, "shall ... be guilty of a misdemeanor and ... shall be fined not more than $25,000 ..., or imprisoned not more than 1 year, or both...". I had earlier noted "(and other, errrr, "excise taxes")."

She said, "I knew there was something wrong with saying "misdemeanor" in conjunction with "$25,000,... ."

Nothing wrong, that's precisely (as the Congressional Staffer's handwritten note clarifies) how the Leadership intends to force compliance with the insurance mandate!

-- Posted by AF Brat on Sat, Sep 26, 2009, at 6:01 PM

Thanks to farmerswife, Slater: I've spent a rainy afternoon enjoying the Myers link to the late 1800s and early 1900s. Of interest to you and your family will be the 1900 writings. Dr. Edmonds wrote for the Miami News of the birth of Robert Myers, who was born in May, 1900. Ran across the Jeters, a name you have mentioned. My father was born in 1904, my mother in 1909 so reading about the weather and life in a Missouri River town in that era is fascinating. Of especial interest is how much traveling this family did. A six week jaunt to Pass Christian, New Orleans is worth reading. The record of expenditures for the trip. You probably won't have many snowy days in SA, but it is fascinating to read. Myers was quite a good photographer and some are included.

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Sat, Sep 26, 2009, at 5:08 PM

ND: Thanks for the clarification. I knew there was something wrong with saying "misdemeanor" in conjunction with "$25,000," but was too lazy to look it up. This is the kind of stuff that used to drive me nuts when I was in grade school - boy says "x is y." Girl says, "No, it's not." Boy repeats, girl repeats, etc., until finally the boy (and it is ALWAYS a boy) admits, "well, almost, kinda, close to, sorta...." ... ad nauseum.

No offense intended, AF Brat, but you do know what I mean.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Sat, Sep 26, 2009, at 3:26 PM

Somebody asked me for clarification about the new school bond issue blog. Anyone can post comments, just as you can with any other blog, but only letters to the editor will be posted as blog entries. Of course, anyone can submit a letter to the editor, but you have to sign your real name is all.

-- Posted by Eric Crump on Sat, Sep 26, 2009, at 3:04 PM

ND - your link to sect. 7203 of the irs tax code raised the question of how long is the irs code of regulations, so I googled it and was amazed at the answers I saw from our elected officials.

It's no wonder there's so much confusion in the ranks over any issue or question you care to put in front of them.

-- Posted by Slater on Sat, Sep 26, 2009, at 1:24 PM

farmerwife - My father-in-law was Augustus (Gus) Edmonds. His father (Raymond Edmonds) had a drug store there, and his grandfather (Augustus Edmonds) was a doctor there. The old homeplace was on Water? Street (not definite on the street name) just off the main thoroughfare through town. The property was sold in the late '70s to a man named Nelson (can't recall his first name), who intended to restore the place, but my understanding is that he didn't do much to it.

Thanks for the information! I'll see what I can learn from it. :)

-- Posted by Slater on Sat, Sep 26, 2009, at 12:03 PM

Slater--I too have connections to Miami, care to name your father-in-law--just curious!! For some snowy day reading, google Wilbert S. Myers of Miami, Mo. Of course, didn't know any of the people, but names are some I have heard mention. Interesting to read his diary and see the prices of goods as he seems to have worked sometime in the dry goods store.

-- Posted by farmerwife on Sat, Sep 26, 2009, at 10:04 AM

I can't comprehend the ignorance behind such a proposal. If people can't afford the insurance how can they afford the fine? The cost associated with jailing people would be prohibitive as well.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Sat, Sep 26, 2009, at 7:30 AM

Kathy,

Nope. This is what it says: "Any person ... shall, in addition to other penalties provided by law, be guilty of a misdemeanor and, upon conviction thereof, shall be fined not more than $25,000 ..., or imprisoned not more than 1 year, or both, together with the costs of prosecution."

When you build a chute for unruly cattle, you'd better use strong materials.

Joe

-- Posted by AF Brat on Fri, Sep 25, 2009, at 10:26 PM

Kathy,

I think the idea of fining anyone for failing to purchase health insurance is a bad idea no matter what the amount of the fine. I hope both Senator McCaskill and Senator Bond will not support any final bill that contains any such provision.

Also, without a public option, any health care bill will be nothing more than a cash handout to Big Insurance.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Sep 25, 2009, at 9:59 PM

$25 grand for a misdemeanor? Little bit of stretch, no?

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Fri, Sep 25, 2009, at 9:38 PM

Republican senator becomes lobbyist less than two weeks after quitting:

http://rawstory.com/2009/09/republican-s...

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Sep 25, 2009, at 9:05 PM

We made better forgeries than that when I was in Jr. High School.

C'mon, Brat. You can do better than this.

-- Posted by Slater on Fri, Sep 25, 2009, at 8:54 PM

Oh my.

Just breaking ...

Joint Committee on Taxation Chief of Staff Tom Barthold sent a handwritten note to Nevada Sen. John Ensign confirming that Americans who refuse to comply with Health Care regulations as outlined by the current Obamacare legislation, could face JAIL TIME in addition to fines (and other, errrr, "excise taxes").

$25,000 and up to 12 months in Club Fed.

The letter can be seen here: http://a.abcnews.go.com/images/Politics/...

-- Posted by AF Brat on Fri, Sep 25, 2009, at 8:47 PM

Wonder Jim,

Thanks for the "People of Walmart" link. Never saw that before. Great Friday afternoon browsing. Amazing and hillarious.

"There are none so blind as those who can not see.......themselves"

CEH,

Thanks for "Little Dixie." I always thought Saline County seemed very "southern" influenced. Not that that is bad, or good, just seems to be.

-- Posted by countryman on Fri, Sep 25, 2009, at 3:54 PM

OKR, you mean you nearly signed "Okie" to your post? :)

Craig, I'm in agreement with OKR about the link. Most interesting and informative. I know Saline County had a large contingent of slaves contributing to the county population.

My father-in-law was born and raised in Miami, and he had some pretty eyebrow-raising stories to tell about the Civil War days in mid-Missouri.

-- Posted by Slater on Fri, Sep 25, 2009, at 3:53 PM

I just posted the first entry in a new blog that is devoted to the Marshall school bond issue. The entries will be letters to the editor on the subject, and we're starting with four letters that have recently been published in the paper. Here's the introduction to the blog:

---

As the Nov. 3 election approaches, voters in the Marshall Public School District will have much to say about the bond issue on the ballot and the proposed new elementary school the district will build if the issue is approved. Anyone who is interested in the issue can contribute an entry to this blog. However, only signed commentary will be posted. We recommend community members use the Letter to the Editor form -- http://www.marshallnews.com/forms/Letter... -- to submit their views on the issue. Commentary posted in this blog will also be published in the newspaper. We hope to see a wide range of views, with reasons given for positions taken, questions asked and concerns respectfully expressed.

-- Posted by Eric Crump on Fri, Sep 25, 2009, at 1:43 PM

Mr. Hubbard,

Thank you for posting the link it was a great read.

-- Posted by Gal66 on Fri, Sep 25, 2009, at 1:24 PM

Craig: Quite interesting. Note how Little Dixie runs along the Missouri River, and spreds from that base. It took a lot of slaves to harvest all the what is now called "ditch weed". It is a lesson on geography's influence on things sociopolitical if there ever was one.

Thanks for the link pal.

Whoa! I was thinking email, and I almost signed my name. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Sep 25, 2009, at 12:36 PM

Missouri's Little Dixie

Some interesting Saline County history.

http://www.littledixie.net/

Craig Hubbard

-- Posted by ceh_meh@verizon.net on Fri, Sep 25, 2009, at 10:26 AM

Some rules kids won't learn in school

Text By Charles J. Sykes Printed in San Diego Union Tribune September 19, 1996

"Unfortunately, there are some things that children should be learning in

school, but don't. Not all of them have to do with academics. As a modest

back-to-school offering, here are some basic rules that may not have found

their way into the standard curriculum."

Here is the couple if you want to read the rest go here. http://urbanlegends.about.com/gi/dynamic...

Rule No. 1: Life is not fair. Get used to it. The average teen-ager uses the

phrase, "It's not fair" 8.6 times a day. You got it from your parents, who

said it so often you decided they must be the most idealistic generation

ever. When they started hearing it from their own kids, they realized Rule

No. 1.

Rule No. 2: The real world won't care as much about your self-esteem as much

as your school does. It'll expect you to accomplish something before you

feel good about yourself. This may come as a shock. Usually, when inflated

self-esteem meets reality, kids complain it's not fair. (See Rule No. 1)

-- Posted by Gal66 on Fri, Sep 25, 2009, at 9:12 AM

Eric,

We have a fairly large number of pan-handlers in Sydney. Of course they are all qualified for the Australian public dole and I suspect they all get it ($300.00 a week), but all the same I know that they are poor and most probably homeless. So I always try to give them something when I can. Perhaps it is because charity is one of the pillars of my faith or the thought of knowing that no one really wants to live such a terrible existence that keeps me giving to them, but what ever it is I am always happy I did.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Sep 25, 2009, at 7:57 AM

This is a much better link that proves the point, or no point. Oblio lives!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqZHsVBRa...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Sep 25, 2009, at 1:41 AM

According to Harry Nillson you do not have to have a point. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjhTBZaVY...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Sep 25, 2009, at 12:26 AM

I could not post this afternoon because I could not get through. I clicked on a few things to try to figure it out, and was told by my computer that there was a firewall between my computer, and the MDN. I was also told that there was nothing else wrong. I had no problem going to any other website.

Could it have been sabotage? I just looked around to see who is missing. Aha, now I have suspects. :)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Sep 25, 2009, at 12:13 AM

What the f....... Do I need a point?

-- Posted by mrxray on Thu, Sep 24, 2009, at 11:58 PM

Hey Hootowls! :)

Upsedaisy, it was 65 here today, a record low high, as was yesterday's 66. Will be back to 90 by Monday, they're saying.

I can see clearly now, the rain is gone.

-- Posted by Slater on Thu, Sep 24, 2009, at 11:23 PM

Worried about the folks at MDN. Kept getting error messages. Note the postings ended at 3:12 p.m. It was 90 here today. Send some of your autumn weather east. Thanks:)

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Thu, Sep 24, 2009, at 11:19 PM

What's your point Mr. Xray?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Thu, Sep 24, 2009, at 3:12 PM

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/...

interesting

-- Posted by mrxray on Thu, Sep 24, 2009, at 1:25 PM

The following are lyrics that were posted on Sept 6 2009 on youtube. Two days before the Obama school "speech" I am not making a specific point really, just find it ironic.

Song 1:

Mm, mmm, mm!

Barack Hussein Obama

He said that all must lend a hand

To make this country strong again

Mmm, mmm, mm!

Barack Hussein Obama

He said we must be fair today

Equal work means equal pay

Mmm, mmm, mm!

Barack Hussein Obama

He said that we must take a stand

To make sure everyone gets a chance

Mmm, mmm, mm!

Barack Hussein Obama

He said red, yellow, black or white

All are equal in his sight

Mmm, mmm, mm!

Barack Hussein Obama

Yes!

Mmm, mmm, mm

Barack Hussein Obama

Song 2:

Hello, Mr. President we honor you today!

For all your great accomplishments, we all doth say "hooray!"

Hooray, Mr. President! You're number one!

The first black American to lead this great nation!

Hooray, Mr. President we honor your great plans

To make this country's economy number one again!

Hooray Mr. President, we're really proud of you!

And we stand for all Americans under the great Red, White, and Blue!

So continue ---- Mr. President we know you'll do the trick

So here's a hearty hip-hooray ----

Hip, hip hooray!

Hip, hip hooray!

Hip, hip hooray!

-- Posted by mrxray on Thu, Sep 24, 2009, at 1:21 PM

Eric's post reminded me - last weekend I saw a couple standing in front of a Murphy's gas station asking for gas money. They were eating McDonald's meals, drinking pepsi, and smoking cigs. and people were stopping and giving cash. I guess it's easier than working.

-- Posted by Air Force Wife on Thu, Sep 24, 2009, at 9:30 AM

Just FYI: There's a panhandler parked in a wheelchair in front of Marshall post office this morning. I went and talked to him for a bit. He said he's from Branson but goes around to cities all over the state panhandling. He does not appear to be causing any problems that I've seen. Not saying whether anyone should give -- but I do think it's wise to exercise appropriate caution.

-- Posted by Eric Crump on Thu, Sep 24, 2009, at 9:19 AM

OK: yes, stop loss was a huge shock to a lot of people - us included - but was a necessary move. I don't always agree with how things are done but do try to understand and hope for a positive outcome.

Slater - Sorry you're not making the trip. Maybe next time.

BTW - Catching up on last night's posts, I don't feel like I've been at a boxing match. Thanks to all for the calm "chat".

For anyone who needs a soap box to rant and rave about issues, may I suggest the court house square. It seems a lot of people remember the lady with her sermons - you might get some positive attention there.

-- Posted by Air Force Wife on Thu, Sep 24, 2009, at 6:56 AM

The atomic clock says it's time to get up from here and give the old eyeballs some rest.

Yep, NB, no star gazing for sure. Oh well, it's cloudy and rainy anyway.

Good night all.

-- Posted by Slater on Thu, Sep 24, 2009, at 12:11 AM

Now a broken toe to go along with the rest, eh?

I don't have any grandkids so I don't have the opportunity to chase around and break my toes, but it might be fun! :)

I'm sure Sonny would be more than happy to tend to his mother on occasion.

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, Sep 23, 2009, at 11:58 PM

100 per cent!

I was tempted to express my thoughts but I was afraid of SOUNDING maybe insincere, although that would be as far from the truth as it could be.

We men know where the center of the universe lies. :)

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, Sep 23, 2009, at 11:53 PM

What mats? It's still a bare, concrete floor! Standing, is my most comfortable position, sitting for long periods of time hurts the worst. Actually bought some mats, but they were too heavy for me to maneuver for mopping, so out the door they went. Have been reconsidering that recently... broke my toe when visiting my son in Chicago. I am a clutz! And yes...my grandson and I were running in the house! Boy did we get a talkin' to! HA! However, I gave my son fair warning that whenever he had a home of his own, I would come and get fingerprints on everything, not make my bed and not wash dishes or laundry, and just about anything that might be a payback! :). Sure glad he loves his momma!

-- Posted by nouveaublogger on Wed, Sep 23, 2009, at 11:47 PM

You are welcome NanaD, NouveauB, and Slater. NB I think your comment was perceptive. ND yes timeless, but yet what a beautiful hour glass it was.

It is also interesting to me that as far as I know all the paintings were done by men, or at least those among them that I recognized. Such men as those, as well as the poets, and the music makers, say to women what the rest of us try to say but we are strangled by the lumps that grow in our throats, when confronted by the beautiful essence of the women we love.

So from all of us to all of you, what he said, or painted, or sang. Would you agree with that Slater?

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Sep 23, 2009, at 11:47 PM

Ohhhh!!!! I have plenty of arthritis to go along with the rest, but, gosh!!! No wonder you need those mats in the store!

I think I'm cured after reading about your trials!!

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, Sep 23, 2009, at 11:38 PM

Thanks, Upsedaisy. Yes, I had arranged for transportation and a place to rest my weary head and was looking forward to seeing some of the old codgers I haven't seen in 50 years in a few instances.

I was almost tempted to let the quack stab me in the back, but I'm the deliberate type so I passed on the offer.

If I get up there in mid-October and the quilt display is still around I'll see about getting some photos if it's permitted.

I saw OKR's post about the rubber playground material, and I'm going to nose around to see what the board members think about it. Odd that it hasn't been banned if it is hazardous.

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, Sep 23, 2009, at 11:32 PM

Slater,

No for the paint...still have to get the hubs to bring me the belt sander from the farm, so I can sand them down. Besides that...it has already been raining a few days this week, damp out and kind of cool. The leaves around this neighborhood and my trees in particular are just turning brown & falling.

I get the C-spine thing...I have a bone spur at the base of my skull. Makes star-gazing a bit difficult, doesn't it? My worst problem is 3 bulging lumbar disc and spinal stenosis, add arthritis to the mix and can be very difficult to move around. I went the "shot" route once...didn't work out well at all!!!!!! Tore a hole in the lining and felt nothing from the breast bone down...scared the h...out of me! Went the headache and pain center in K.C. Had a great physician, there, gave me injections in my tailbone...which helped immensely. However, they no longer accept BC/BS...so I suffer... and sometimes in silence, HA!

-- Posted by nouveaublogger on Wed, Sep 23, 2009, at 11:31 PM

AFW: I am better thank you.

One other thing that I have meant to say to you for a very long time. My fervent hope is that your loved one returns from harms way none the worse from the experience. My stepson (more than that really) was stop lossed, and spent a long nasty tour in Iraq, returning with some lingering problems. There was never a waking hour, and sometimes even as I slept that he was not in my thoughts until his return. I do appreciate the strain that you are under, and my heart goes out to you.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Sep 23, 2009, at 11:21 PM

Dogboneit Slater, I'm really sorry to hear your health is going to keep you away this weekend. For awhile you thought you might be pitching a tent for lack of room at the inn. Sounds as if autumn is on the scene in mid-MO. Hope they aren't still burning leaves, which need to be ground into mulch and used on the Slater early school playground. Much safer than ground up tires or wood pallets from China.

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Wed, Sep 23, 2009, at 11:21 PM

NB,

It's a self-imposed grounding. I have a bone spur in my neck at c-5, and over the past 40 years there've been four episodes which cause a fair amount of discomfort. It came on about four or so weeks ago, and I was hopeful that I'd be in decent shape to make the trip, but I'm not ready to travel yet. My quack offered to shoot me in the back with some steroids, but I'm not a fan of being stuck in such a vulnerable area, so I'm letting it wear itself out while taking some anti-inflammatory stuff.

I did see that showers are possible for your area and wondered if your husband was going to chance having his pride and joy sit in the rain.

Your hot pink buggy should be spotted easily, I'd guess. What about the sound system? :)

My wife is soon off to Oregon to visit her sister and upon her return around 10/15, and if my neck is more cooperative by that time, I'll then be homeward bound.

Got new paint on the tables yet?

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, Sep 23, 2009, at 11:17 PM

Slater,

I take it with you orthopaedic situation, you are not permitted to travel for your reunion? :(. Sorry to here that...I know,literally, what that's like. The weather isn't supposed cooperate either. Hubs said tonight he wasn't put his lowrider in the car show. Says he doesn't want it to rain on it...so it's in the garage...getting dust on it! HA! He caved on the '61 chevy pick up...said I could have it! Guess I had better get the rest of this old house fixed...save my pennies and make that hot pink & orange pick up a reality! Ha!

-- Posted by nouveaublogger on Wed, Sep 23, 2009, at 11:04 PM

The "eyes" have it. :) Thanks, OKR!

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, Sep 23, 2009, at 10:14 PM

You're making me homesick with all the talk about crisp mornings and the smell of burning leaves, but it happens every year at this time.

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, Sep 23, 2009, at 10:09 PM

Horseshoes and hand grenades

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, Sep 23, 2009, at 10:05 PM

Have I missed out on a history lesson?

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, Sep 23, 2009, at 10:04 PM

NanaDot: It was Mt. Pinatubo on the island of Luzon. You were close!

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Wed, Sep 23, 2009, at 10:03 PM

Hootowls... :)

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, Sep 23, 2009, at 10:01 PM

OKR,

Thanks for the you tube link, "Women in Art". I very much enjoyed it, and yes, they all have that sweet/sad smile. I found it to be a "knowing" smile. Knowledge is visible to me in each and every portrait. Now whether or not they are happy with what they know, is food for thought. Some of these ladies look so sad (the eyes show the sadness in many of them) they make the Mona Lisa look downright happy in comparison!

-- Posted by nouveaublogger on Wed, Sep 23, 2009, at 8:36 PM

NanaDot--was it Clark in the Phillipines that was buried? The links to the depression dust storms were interesting. Recently there have been predictions that w/o water the Central Valley of CA may turn into another dust bowl.

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Wed, Sep 23, 2009, at 8:17 PM

With the uproar in Afghan. right now, our guys need all the prayers we can give them. Thank you.

-- Posted by Air Force Wife on Wed, Sep 23, 2009, at 8:07 PM

news across: I have a very clear memory of a sandstorm (in Arabic, ghibli) while my family was stationed in Libya - but it was nothing compared to what you're enduring down under.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Wed, Sep 23, 2009, at 8:05 PM

Thanks ND. This is my favorite time of year - just hope I can avoid the flu this year. OK: hope you're feeling better. News: don't envy the dust storms you're having. We had strange weather on Monday - lost several trees but luckily had rain, not dust.

-- Posted by Air Force Wife on Wed, Sep 23, 2009, at 8:03 PM

AF Wife: I'll add my prayers to NanaDot's!

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Wed, Sep 23, 2009, at 8:03 PM

Kathy - Everyone is doing fine - still overseas. Thanks for asking.

-- Posted by Air Force Wife on Wed, Sep 23, 2009, at 7:18 PM

what a lovely day hope everyone had one

-- Posted by cpcrazy21 on Wed, Sep 23, 2009, at 6:23 PM

AF Wife - Nice to "see you." How is your family?

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Wed, Sep 23, 2009, at 6:09 PM

Well put Kathy. This is getting rather monotonous.

-- Posted by Air Force Wife on Wed, Sep 23, 2009, at 6:02 PM

TC: One last time - some of your comments have been deleted under our policy. That policy is easily visible right here. Read it. That's the entire discussion and all the "handling" that is needed.

Please feel free to post elsewhere, if you aren't happy with the circumstances here.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Wed, Sep 23, 2009, at 5:30 PM

**Everything that can be "handled at the source" has already been handled.*

Really? I have yet to hear what that is..

-- Posted by Third Child on Wed, Sep 23, 2009, at 5:26 PM

"I have to wonder how it would change what people say on here if we all had to use our last names?"

It would make a huge improvement!

Good idea "not gvn a sht"

Your real name would be a lot less offensive!

-- Posted by Third Child on Wed, Sep 23, 2009, at 5:23 PM

TC: Everything that can be "handled at the source" has already been handled.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Wed, Sep 23, 2009, at 5:20 PM

OK Reader, I'm just trying to handle this at the source. .

-- Posted by Third Child on Wed, Sep 23, 2009, at 5:18 PM

PLEASE...click to the chill pill link I provided.

TC: If you feel my offhanded comment was a threat to you quit bellyaching to the Democrat News, call the FBI. They get calls of that nature from people every day, and I am sure will know exactly how to handle it. You don't have to make a federal case of it, but you have.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Sep 23, 2009, at 5:10 PM

TC: I did not say I never delete comments. I said I had never deleted any of YOURS.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Wed, Sep 23, 2009, at 4:56 PM

I'm just trying to clarify exactly what the editor found so offensive about my posts as compared to others.

No one is going to make the editor do what he doesn't want to do. That's up to them. I'm still going to ask, though. Accountability has always been big in my book.

As for Kathy saying she never deletes anything, maybe she should stop using the term "we" when she talks about all this 'editing'.

People know you don't make gun jokes at an airport, no jokes about bombs, no jokes about killing anyone.. or else you have a swat team taking you down in a New York second...

You don't go into public buildings and make terroristic threats, even if they are "inside" jokes, without great risk to to your own life.

Children, in indoctrination centers we call school, will be expelled or arrested for even mentioning guns in school or even draw a depiction of a gun on their notebooks.. zero tolerance..

It's also against the law to make terroristic threats over the internet. The posts that were removed, only reminded the editors at MDN of their legal obligations in the matter of OK Reader's comments.

That is why they deleted them, IMO. Those posts weren't offensive unless you believe professional accountability is offensive.

-- Posted by Third Child on Wed, Sep 23, 2009, at 4:53 PM

To all: If you have a couple of minutes this is in my opinion a great chill pill. "Women in Art"

It is strange, but beautiful. Note that despite the morphing, all the portraits share a similar sweet sad smile, as if they carry the burden of the ages, at least that is what I saw. What do you think? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B35cr-Dvh...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Sep 23, 2009, at 4:46 PM

Third Child....no one at the MDC has to justify to you why they delete your comments. It is their perogative to do so. You are not their boss. It is their paper not yours. Don't like it? Then stop posting. I have had comments deleted in the past but I didn't demand explanation or have a hissy about it.

-- Posted by momaster on Wed, Sep 23, 2009, at 4:30 PM

TC: I'm beating a dead horse saying this, but I have to remind you of a few things: 1) I have never deleted any of your comments, 2) the newspaper reserves the right to delete comments we find objectionable and 3) we are not required to notify you when we have done so or to explain why. For your benefit, here's yet another restatement of our policy, as noted at the top of the Speak Out section: "We reserve the right to exclude entries that we deem disrespectful, threatening, obscene or in other ways objectionable."

I realize you have the right of free speech, but what you have forgotten is that the newspaper has the same free speech rights that you have.

If you need additional clarification, please read our policy again.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Wed, Sep 23, 2009, at 4:27 PM

**If we thought Oklahoma Reader's last two posts were offensive, we would have already deleted them.*

I just checked my email and I still don't see an explanation for deleting *my previous messages.

I think they were removed for no good reason.

Did you edit those down the memory hole, Kathy?

Or was it Eric?

-- Posted by Third Child on Wed, Sep 23, 2009, at 3:55 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
It was me.

here are some shots of the dust bowl of the 1930s.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEYb9xjAh...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Sep 23, 2009, at 3:23 PM

Wow! What an eerie effect! Kind of puts me in mind of the photos in the National Geographic of the ash clouds after Mt. St. Helens.

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, Sep 23, 2009, at 3:21 PM

Newsacross: Heckuva storm.

For any of you that haven't seen it grab a minute, and click the link. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/200...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Sep 23, 2009, at 2:54 PM

Looks like TC has developed yet another compulsion

-- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Sep 23, 2009, at 2:41 PM

Slater send all the Texas dirt you can on up here. With all the bull s--- that flies in Texas, and has to land somewhere, it is bound to be extremely fertile. Not that there is any shortage of same in Oklahoma.:)

Sorry to hear of your orthpedic problems..just what you needed, right?

Upsedaisy thanks for the compliments last night, as you see it urged me on. :)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Sep 23, 2009, at 2:41 PM

Late last night I posted in regard to the choice made by the Slater schoolboard to utilize rubber mulch on their new play ground.

It has been first choice for playgrounds around the nation. It is my understanding that it is even in place on the Obama childrens playground at the White House. However there are concerns about potential toxic hazards within the substance. Apparently the EPA is currently testing it. http://www.alternativehealthjournal.com/...

It may be a darned if you do, darned if you don't situation.

I have also heard (Mike McGrath, "You Bet Your Garden", NPR) that wood chips are not a good choice because many are made from ground up pallets, from China, and that they also contain toxic substances. Some are also made from construction waste wood that could be contaminated. So, what to do? I don't know.

Of this I am certain. The members of the school board at Slater (and other places for that matter) are concerned about the welfare of the children, as am I. I am hopeful that the school board has already explored this issue, and has arrived at an informed decision.

I am also hopeful that the EPA does not find a critical problem with the materials which results in expensive removal, and disposal of toxic wastes in Slater, and across the nation.

I am not going to beat this horse to death, so I will not say more on the subject. Concerned parents may wish to contact the Slater school board to inquire regarding any concerns that they have on the subject. Before they bother that body I suggest that they themselves do more thorough research than I have done. It may answer there concerns. If not, then approach the board.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Sep 23, 2009, at 2:26 PM

News, don't forget your mask when you have to go out. I wonder how your dust storm would compare to those American ones during the 1930s?

Each year we're treated to African dust that settles onto South Texas and Northern Mexico, and even may travel as far north as OKR's neighborhood.

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, Sep 23, 2009, at 2:22 PM

By the way, all you hootowls can rest easy for a while.

Old Slater is confined to quarters until the orthopedic troubles pass and I'm cleared to travel once again.

In the meantime, don't forget about the Harvest Moon, coming October 4th! :)

Upsedaisy, sorry I won't be able to get you some photos of the quilt display, but maybe some of our good local friends will accommodate. :) If photos are permitted, that is.

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, Sep 23, 2009, at 2:08 PM

I'm not too busy to reply to this, TC. If we thought Oklahoma Reader's last two posts were offensive, we would have already deleted them.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Wed, Sep 23, 2009, at 1:52 PM

Eric Crump,

I know how busy you are editing but when you have the time, I do expect a note of explanation. I also request that you remove the last two posts from Oklahoma Reader. It shouldn't be a problem for you.. you're on a roll so just keep trimming a little more please..

-- Posted by Third Child on Wed, Sep 23, 2009, at 1:21 PM

Third Child: First of all let me give you the context to the message I addressed to Jo. It may make you feel a bit better.

Looong ago when I was a poor boy growing up in Marshall I had saved my pennies from odd jobs in order to buy my first gun. I liked to hunt, and to fish (legal wildlife of course). I had a few dollars so I rode my old bike out to Jo's Dad's place west of town. His Dad was a friend of my father. He was kind enough to sell me an old shotgun for the exact amount of money I had saved, which was not much. I had related that experience to Jo on this blog a while back, perhaps before you became a participant. Jo wrote back to me about the rack of old guns that his Dad had for sale behind the counter. He said his Dad called them tractor guns. Which means they were not of great value, that they were suitable for farmers to carry on their tractors to shoot varmints when in the fields. His Dad was an avid hunter, and had very good guns for his own use. I am not certain of this but my recall is that he had a Browning automatic 12 gauge shotgun. Thus his disparaging name for the old cheaper guns behind the counter.

I made my remark to Jo essentially to touch bases with him in a personal way, and to re-remind him of his long gone Father's kindness to me. An inside joke in a way. It was not something I expected any other reader on the blog to get. It also was not something that I expected any reader of the blog to become fearful about, and to sound the alarm.

Obviously I had forgotten about you before I posted to Jo. I apologize for striking fear in your heart.

For your information I quit hunting over forty years ago. I don't even own a gun, and am essentially a pacifist. I say that to you with some frustration because I know you trust no one except Alex Jones, and that I have probably just wasted words in my effort to assuage your fear.

I feel sorry for you that you are fearful of so many unknowns, and I hope that some how, some way that you will find some measure of peace and tranquility in your life.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Sep 23, 2009, at 12:36 PM

Eric Crump

I expect to get an explanation on that last edit.

Send an email if you wish.

-- Posted by Third Child on Wed, Sep 23, 2009, at 12:15 PM

More ridiculous by the day. Tipping point?

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Sep 23, 2009, at 11:48 AM

What's this about guns? What a coincidence! I just started a mail-order business called Guns 'R Us. Fax me a copy of your NRA card along with your choice of weaponry and I'll fix you right up.

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, Sep 23, 2009, at 11:11 AM

Oklahoma Reader, wants a gun??

-- Posted by Third Child on Wed, Sep 23, 2009, at 9:30 AM

upsedaisy,

You are so correct!

I have been referring to it as "The Great Sydney Dust Bowl" all day.

We have been told to expect another dust storm later this week.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Sep 23, 2009, at 2:17 AM

OKR, You're reading a lot tonight. Read your comment AND link on robber mulch for playgrounds at the end of Marcia's story on the Slater playground. Good research. On a purely esthetic level the stuff looks and smells terrible.

I share Jo's hope you are feeling better.

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Tue, Sep 22, 2009, at 11:54 PM

Newsacross, BBC America covered the "red dust" in Sydney tonight.Stay inside! Reminded me of pictures of the dust storms of the 30s in the Midwest. Lived in Wichita in '56-'57. Dust storms did occur. We used to say "OK blew North today" or "NE blew South."

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Tue, Sep 22, 2009, at 11:50 PM

NanaDot

That's the first I heard of that fellow from Ark...but I am not a bit surprised. Frankly, I suspect most of the Blue dogs won't be coming back in 2011. If the Baucus bill passes without a public option and President Obama signs it into law, all the Democrats will be in deep political trouble.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Sep 22, 2009, at 11:49 PM

I'm sure if you had told dad a sad story,you would have gotten the Gun for Five Dollars or even a gift, Ha, he was a sucker for hard working Kids! Hope your over the flu.

-- Posted by Jo on Tue, Sep 22, 2009, at 11:25 PM

Jo you wouldn't happen to have an old tractor gun laying around that we could use to clean out varmints on this blog?

I remember well your Uncle Junie climbing, and hanging all over the court house. He was there so often that they out to have given him a room.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Sep 22, 2009, at 10:49 PM

In regard to my previous post: And lest we forget, many of the tires that are ground up for rubber playground mulch were made in China, the place that can't even ship us little children's toys that are not toxic.http://landscaping.about.com/od/compostandmulch/f/rubber_mulch.htm

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Sep 22, 2009, at 10:43 PM

I see there cleaning up the Court House. (Junie Donahue) would be Proud. He took care of that old Building for many Years. He had a Brother, (Jim Donahue)Who climbed from GROUND ZERO TOO THE VERY TOP OF THE TOWER,AS A STUNT IN THE LATE 20'S!It was covered buy this News Paper. Some of the Town History!

-- Posted by Jo on Tue, Sep 22, 2009, at 10:43 PM

I note that the Slater school board is considering the use of rubber mulch on their new buildings playgrounds. They may wish to reconsider the use of that product because there are toxicity problems with the mulch. There is a lot of literature available on the subject. Here is one link just for starters. http://www.natureswayresources.com/DocsP...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Sep 22, 2009, at 10:37 PM

ND - you bet it is! I know what my life's work would be if I'd been born about 40 years later.

Thanks for the book reference! :)

-- Posted by Slater on Tue, Sep 22, 2009, at 9:03 PM

10 Reasons The Baucus Bill Would Be Bad Legislation:

http://airamerica.com/blog/2009/sep/21/1...

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Sep 22, 2009, at 8:57 PM

Hello friends and neighbors,

A freak dust storm hit Sydney today.

Its made the air dangerous to breath and the authorities are recommending Aussies stay indoors. But I have to tell you, it looks very cool. Everything appears to be encased in an orange hue and every exposed object outside is covered with a film of orange dust. Apparently there was a big Outback sand storm and this is the same storm now pushing the left over dust. They are saying it has never happened before.

One thing is for sure, it sure looks cool.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Sep 22, 2009, at 8:06 PM

"But now you are censoring solely on subject matter. People need to know that is the case"

"Response by Eric Crump/Editor:

Yep. I think the flu vaccine topic has worn out its welcome."

What else do you need Warren?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Tue, Sep 22, 2009, at 6:05 PM

**the lives of our grandparents - the air they breathed, the food they ate, even the things they saw - could have directly affected us, and that what we do could, in turn, affect our grandchildren*

But Monsanto, mixing, altering and engineering new forms of DNA, on to and literally into God's beautiful creations on the planet Earth, are nothing to be concerned about, right?

-- Posted by Third Child on Tue, Sep 22, 2009, at 6:00 PM

"I'm afraid we don't have enough time to send comments back or provide explanations each time."

But now you are censoring solely on subject matter. People need to know that is the case.

-- Posted by Third Child on Tue, Sep 22, 2009, at 5:49 PM

Topic #4 = PBS NOVA tonight in my neighborhood:

PROGRAM DESCRIPTION

In a provocative report from the frontiers of biology, NOVA explores new findings that call into question the long-held belief that all inherited traits are passed on by our genes. The fast-growing field of epigenetics investigates hidden influences that could affect not only our health today but that of our descendants far into the future. It now seems that our environment makes small chemical changes to our DNA without affecting the gene's overall makeup. To put it another way, epigenetics adds to our DNA another layer that acts as a control system of "switches." Experiential factors such as nutrition or stress may trigger these switches and turn genes on or off. These subtle changes can then be "remembered" and passed on from generation to generation, altering inherited traits. This means the lives of our grandparents - the air they breathed, the food they ate, even the things they saw - could have directly affected us, and that what we do could, in turn, affect our grandchildren. NOVA explores this fascinating new idea, interviewing top scientists in the field and following what could be a paradigm shift in the way we think about inheritance and genes.

-- Posted by Slater on Tue, Sep 22, 2009, at 5:40 PM

"movaldude"

I'm assuming you are proudly announcing that you have a college education of some kind, by the choice of your anonymous handle.. I salute you, if that is the case, but have to ask you how much of that expensive education did you actually use in making your decision to take the experimental flu vaccines?

Did you do any research on your own or did you just follow the the hype from the mainstream media?

-- Posted by Third Child on Tue, Sep 22, 2009, at 5:36 PM

You know folks. I got my flu shot on Saturday, and Shock of all I'm going to have salmon loaf for dinner tonight.

I guess I'm a gonner...

I feel the big one coming on....

Oops, I'm sorry but has everyone lost their sense of humor. I'm mean I'm to busy living to worry about dying from this or that! Someone needs to get TC a beer or something to chill out!

-- Posted by movaldude on Tue, Sep 22, 2009, at 5:23 PM

"those who are "censored" frequently and wonder afterwards what they said to offend might want to copy their comments into a file."

I've got most of them in jumbled up files . The reason they were censored is probably covered in my previous post.

I think if the editors care enough about a subject that they feel the need to censor it, they should be proud enough to stand behind and explain their actions.

The least MDN could do is to 'return to sender'

Kathy went to all the the trouble to go back and count the ones they edited out. How much harder would it be to simply send them back?

-- Posted by Third Child on Tue, Sep 22, 2009, at 5:17 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
I understand it is frustrating to have comments just disappear without explanation, but I'm afraid we don't have enough time to send comments back or provide explanations each time.

Detriment of objective journalism

Former CBS anchorman, warns of corporate influence over news

On September 16, Dan Rather, the former anchor of the CBS Evening News, warned that today's news is shaped by very powerful corporate network owners who "are in bed with powerful political interests" that are influenced by government regulatory interests.

Rather spoke at a National Press Club remembrance of his colleague Walter Cronkite, his predecessor in the CBS Evening News anchor chair, and Don Hewitt, the late producer of 60 Minutes.

Rather revealed that in his conversations with Cronkite, the late anchor also believed that corporate interests were shaping the news to the detriment of objective journalism.. more..

http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/...

-- Posted by Third Child on Tue, Sep 22, 2009, at 5:02 PM

upsedaisy: Well, thanks for the invite, but I'm not really a quilt fan. I do appreciate the artistry of these particular quilts, but you're far more likely to find me at the rodeo.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Tue, Sep 22, 2009, at 3:05 PM

The weather here in San Antonio today is soggy and cool, the kind of day that can encourage one to get out a book and do some reading, and that's what inspires Topic #3, the Library of Congress' National Library Service for people with disabilities (see information site):

http://www.loc.gov/nls/

I have a certified visual disability which qualifies me for the program, and I with the aid of a machine. Actually, it's an advantage for people like myself, because we can do other things with our hands as we "read" by listening.

I have a machine issued by the state library, and also I'm able to download books to my computer and listen that way.

It's a great way to keep up, especially on those dreary days when being outside is impractical.

-- Posted by Slater on Tue, Sep 22, 2009, at 2:56 PM

Slater, sure hope you have time to see the Bend quilts this weekend. Love the one shown on today's "Home" page. I missed seeing them at the Whitney Museum in NYC a few years ago and have regretted it ever since. I'm sure Kathy will be there, right Kathy? Actually I should amend this to say, I hope y'all get to see it.

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Tue, Sep 22, 2009, at 2:49 PM

Third Child,

What do you expect? This is still a private board. Censorship only applies to the government infringement of your 1st ammendment rights. You constantly hijack this discussion board with your cut and paste hack jobs. Instead of posting a subject, giving a link and letting those here decide wheter they want to investigate further, you thrust it upon them, ad naseum and force us all wade through your latest obsession. When people grow tired and complain about your complusion then you become a victim. You are the Bully Third Child, not the editors.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Tue, Sep 22, 2009, at 2:39 PM

Perhaps those who are "censored" frequently and wonder afterwards what they said to offend might want to copy their comments into a file. If their comments are pulled, there will be a copy to which they can refer. May start doing it myself. Don't want to be guilty of repeating. At my age the memory plays tricks:)

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Tue, Sep 22, 2009, at 1:55 PM

I don't post here very often but I read it daily and TC, you are wearing me out. It's beginning to sound more like you're the bully than Eric or the MDN.

-- Posted by luvthoseowls on Tue, Sep 22, 2009, at 1:17 PM

Thank you very much Eric

-- Posted by Gal66 on Tue, Sep 22, 2009, at 12:37 PM

Yes, thank you Eric, for censoring the truth..

"You are a great American"

Gal 66,

I don't have a next conspiracy theory to pound in the ground, though my next 'project' will be to put MD News in the news.. I think I can bring some attention to small town politics with Eric's last quote. Kathy has been great too.

Headline.. "Editor of Local Paper Against Health and Welfare of the Citizens" ??

"Missouri Town Paper Exposed"

'Lowest Denominator Bully Pulpit'

Editor's Choice, 'hear no, see no, say no'

I'll work on it..

story to follow..

-- Posted by Third Child on Tue, Sep 22, 2009, at 1:06 PM

Well now TC what is your next conspiracy theory to pound into the ground since Eric has spoken on the flu vaccine topic.

Thank you very much Eric

-- Posted by Gal66 on Tue, Sep 22, 2009, at 12:37 PM

The quote

"I think the flu vaccine topic has worn out its welcome." Eric Crump, Editor 9/22/09

-- Posted by Third Child on Tue, Sep 22, 2009, at 12:37 PM

Just for the Record:

Now it looks like two more posts are disappeared.

One was about the benefits of vitamin D against swine flu and one was about health care professional's concerns over untested experimental flu vaccines.

I'm detecting a pattern here but then I have been called a conspiracy theorist..

-- Posted by Third Child on Tue, Sep 22, 2009, at 12:26 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Yep. I think the flu vaccine topic has worn out its welcome.

Edited Out

Two posts have disappeared away

before the time to hold their sway

the words, the masters, they did not like

the words, they sent to take a hike

I would appreciate that everything deemed unacceptable for publishing at MDN be returned to sender, please.

-- Posted by Third Child on Tue, Sep 22, 2009, at 11:33 AM

An email from my daughter prompts Topic #2 - Otsuka Pharmaceuticals and Tuberculosis.

My daughter works for Otsuka Pharmaceutical, a Japanese-owned company with a U.S. presence (see information site):

http://www.otsuka-us.com/

She's the on-site coordinator and monitor for clinical trials being conducted to determine the efficacy of a new drug designed to treat patients with the tuberculosis strain resistant to the standard multi-drug treatment method.

Contrary to popular belief, tuberculosis has not been eradicated and in fact is fairly common in certain locales and in certain populations (like homeless people). Another misconception is that TB is a lung-related disease. While this is true, it can also infect other parts of the body, like the liver and the brain, as examples.

Tuberculosis, like other diseases, is one of those that can change its makeup to become immune to ordinary treatment. Otsuka has developed a drug that is currently being tested for its effectiveness in curing the mutated form of TB.

-- Posted by Slater on Tue, Sep 22, 2009, at 11:28 AM

"I knew a man with notable credentials in the areas of physics and chemistry."

Did this man have a name?

-- Posted by Third Child on Tue, Sep 22, 2009, at 11:07 AM

It's currently raining here at my house, and that offers up Topic #1 - The South Texas Drought.

Our water supply comes from an aquifer, the Edwards Aquifer (see information site):

http://www.edwardsaquifer.net/

The last significant rain to fall in our area was two years ago this month (or maybe last month), and the dry conditions have negatively impacted our potable water supply, obviously. The current drought, spanning the prior 24 months, is being reported as the driest in recorded history, and I can tell you the trees in my yard are living? proof (one is suffering considerably).

I suspect the Fall Foliage Feature will be a very dull color this season.

-- Posted by Slater on Tue, Sep 22, 2009, at 11:04 AM

Today I'll post 14 comments (if I can think of 14 different topics), and this one doesn't count in the total.

Also, each succeeding post will be one paragraph longer (even if I have to repeat myself).

-- Posted by Slater on Tue, Sep 22, 2009, at 10:46 AM

"The problem, it seems to me, is that you have not yet learned the fine art of diplomacy - the ability to disagree without being disagreeable."

Kathy. I'm doing the best I can about diplomacy. I'm working on it.. I really bite my tongue sometimes.. Thanks to you, I'm trying to improve my old self.. thank you and thank the MDN for all the editing.. especially the retroactive deletions.. without that incentive to overcome, life would be too easy..

You have my permission to edit this message away

-- Posted by Third Child on Tue, Sep 22, 2009, at 9:04 AM

OKR 13 TC 12

Good night.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Sep 22, 2009, at 12:42 AM

TC: Far too serious you be me boy. To revel in jest, and jibe you first must recognize it, then embrace it. (Don't bother googling this one it is original, else I would have said not...know what I mean.)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Sep 22, 2009, at 12:37 AM

Parting in peace for the evening TC with something for you to contemplate, compliments of W. B. Yeats.

And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,

slouches toward Bethlehem to be born.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Sep 22, 2009, at 12:30 AM

Okey dokey.. make it twelve, because I'm forced to correct you on this false assertion,..

you wrote:

"you have only beaten a sick old man...and more's the pity, one that has the flu because he followed your advise, and didn't get a flu shot"

None of that is true. I didn't make you do anything. If you had taken a shot it would have been last years vaccine that they want to use up anyway.

It wouldn't have given you any immunity from this years flu. If you would read the links I sent you, you would not be so misinformed. But you won't. You'll blunder on soaking up big pharma propaganda.. wallgreens is selling last years shots for $29.. I'll bet your Doctor doesn't get one.. or his kids..

-- Posted by Third Child on Tue, Sep 22, 2009, at 12:01 AM

Eleven posts, and counting. Run TC run. You are lucky that Slater didn't show tonight for he would have out posted you. As it is you have only beaten a sick old man...and more's the pity, one that has the flu because he followed your advise, and didn't get a flu shot...not much pleasure in that huh?

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Sep 21, 2009, at 11:46 PM

NanaDot: Thank you for your kindness. I will be fine.

As is usual I have no quarrel with anything you said about vaccinations. I try to be an informed skeptic, but not dogmatic in practice nor persuasion.

I have no elderberry laid up, guess I better remedy that in the near future. :)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Sep 21, 2009, at 11:34 PM

"I could conjure up a flu story tomorrow"

That's not what "we the people" were really looking for.. were you making a joke or were you trying to tell us something else?

con·jure (kĽn"j...r, k...n-j‹r") v. con·jured, con·jur·ing, con·jures. --tr. 1.a. To summon (a devil or spirit) by magical or supernatural power. b. To influence or effect by or as if by magic. 2.a. To call or bring to mind; evoke. b. To imagine; picture. 3. Obsolete. To call on or entreat solemnly, especially by an oath. --intr. 1. To perform magic tricks, especially by sleight of hand. 2.a. To summon a devil by magic or supernatural power. b. To practice black magic. 3. Obsolete. To conspire.

-- Posted by Third Child on Mon, Sep 21, 2009, at 11:10 PM

"Marine Vet" sticker on a red camper shell

I talked to a 46 year old Marine veteran at a garage sale last Saturday. I was giving out DVD packets to anyone that would take them.. I brought up vaccines, of course, talked about squaline and all the shots that Gulf War "Desert Storm" vets got and how they were suffering with all kinds of ailments.. I mentioned arthritis and joint problems especially and the Marine gets a look.. a jaw drop maybe.. I stopped talking as he raises his left arm up with his right, commanding attention.. elbow high, he pulls his sleeve back to reveal some horrible scars ... deep ugly dark grooves a half inch wide, running 4 inches either side of the bend..

I didn't look real close.. to be polite.. He says he 's had all sorts of operations. Army doctors butchering, time and again, I could see.. they cut him elsewhere, his shoulders, he mentions..

As he eases his arm down, he sort of stares into the ground for a few seconds.. no one talks.. Taking a deep breath, he raises his head and stares off over the rooftops.. above the horizon.. gazing at nothing that we could see..

That Marine's vaccine epiphany was a powerful experience for 5 adults.. One father will investigate vaccines, I'm sure..

Also a 22 year old that was thinking of enlisting because he couldn't find a job..

The Marine thanked me as he took the DVD's. I wished him luck with his pain and he climbs in the red truck.. proudly displaying "Marine Vet" on the camper shell..

America..

-- Posted by Third Child on Mon, Sep 21, 2009, at 10:34 PM

Only one critter left to appease, OKR, then I'll take a seat and see how our president and Letterman get along this evening.

Hope you have a quick recovery, my friend!

-- Posted by Slater on Mon, Sep 21, 2009, at 10:13 PM

Kathy I do have a mild case of the flu (self diagnosed). Thank you.

Slater: Are you out there with critters appeased? You are getting a late start my friend.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Sep 21, 2009, at 9:54 PM

OK Reader, if you are indeed unwell, my best wishes for a speedy recovery. I've had influenza three times myself, although not since I started getting flu shots, so I know how very miserable it can make you.

As I have said in the past, I've had all kinds of vaccinations in my life, as a result of which I have never had measles, diphtheria, whooping cough, scarlet fever, chicken pox, tetanus, typhoid or polio. I'm in excellent health for a woman of my age and grateful beyond words for the blessing of parents who cared about my health and employers who made insurance available at a reasonable cost.

It's my firm belief that there is no reason for anyone in the U.S. to be without insurance and no reason for anyone in the U.S. to go broke because they got sick. I've had experience with both of those scenarios and I wouldn't wish that on anyone, not even you, TC.

Eric, thank you very much for the vote of confidence. I'm sure you know what I mean when I say that I could conjure up a flu story tomorrow, if you think we really need one. ;)

TC, there is really nothing left to say to you. You have your opinion, to which, as I have said before and often, you are entitled. The problem, it seems to me, is that you have not yet learned the fine art of diplomacy - the ability to disagree without being disagreeable.

Sleep well, everyone.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Mon, Sep 21, 2009, at 9:24 PM

Thank you Eric for the new speak out

-- Posted by Gal66 on Mon, Sep 21, 2009, at 9:23 PM

Aw shucks! Now what?? I went off and left the bag of sugar cubes! :(

(Anxiously looking around) - Where's Speedy? Hey Speedy!! Speedy, I need some Alka seltzer!!

-- Posted by Slater on Mon, Sep 21, 2009, at 9:19 PM

OOPS, make that 46 years later. My, how time flies when you're having fun. WT

-- Posted by White Tornado on Mon, Sep 21, 2009, at 8:59 PM

Folks it looks like it is TC's race to lose, OKR looks like he is fading fast. Win may be a given, place,and show are still up for grabs. Some early money was on WTF, but apparently the response there was...what the fu--, an early folder. KF may rise to the challenge, but smart money has been laid on late starting Slater.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Sep 21, 2009, at 8:57 PM

Okay folks, a little personal experience with the flu and flu shots. In late October of 1963 I was slated to go into Cuba to pick up some intell. The Marine Corps insisted I must get a flu shot before going which I did. Made me unbearably sick for 3 or 4 days and my mission was scrubbed (or possibly assigned to someone else, I never was told, (no "need to know).

All I know for sure is that I have never been that sick before or since and I have sworn off flu shots to the point I was threatened with disciplinary action the next time, a year later, when I refused. Fortunately, I had a friend in the unit doctor, Dr. Jim Bones, who logged me as getting a flu shot. Now, some 36 years later I have never had so much as a cold, never missed a flight assignment with the Corps or 25 years with Pan Am. Who knows? Maybe that flu shot made my body unappealing to the rest of the germs and viruses of the world. WT

PS: Yes, Dr. Bones was/is his real name.

Bright futures are not built on debt and consumption, but on savings and production.

-- Posted by White Tornado on Mon, Sep 21, 2009, at 8:57 PM

I believe in quality over quantity, OK.

The message is what's important. Not numbers..

-- Posted by Third Child on Mon, Sep 21, 2009, at 8:44 PM

Eight to six, TC's favor.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Sep 21, 2009, at 8:39 PM

Just a few hours into the new race Third Child has jumped out to an early lead with seven comments. OKR is trying to hang in there with five comments. We expect he will fade due to not being in top condition. There are a couple in the near pack that may have a chance, but TC will be tough to catch. We are looking for Slater who can pile it on fast, but he is yet to leave the blocks. Folks it appears to many that TC is in a class by himself. No one else really has a chance.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Sep 21, 2009, at 8:35 PM

*reporting that I am on my death bed was greatly exaggerated*

http://www.twainquotes.com/Death.html

-- Posted by Third Child on Mon, Sep 21, 2009, at 8:35 PM

TC: I don't know if it was wishful thinking, misperception, or assumption, but your reporting that I am on my death bed was greatly exaggerated. I just said I think I have the flu.

The fellow spoke, rumors swirled,

is it just me against the world?

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Sep 21, 2009, at 8:21 PM

What journalists decide what to publish by waiting on people to come in the doors with requests for a story on this, a story on that?

No real ones that I know of..

-- Posted by Third Child on Mon, Sep 21, 2009, at 8:10 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Kathy is a fine journalist. I'm proud of the work she does.

Kathy, alas, your reasoning is wasted on the irrational. Paranoia, fear of persecution, and fanaticism do not a sane man make......

-- Posted by born-n-raised on Mon, Sep 21, 2009, at 7:58 PM

http://cme.medscape.com/viewarticle/7079...

AUTISM!!!!

VACCINES???? ADVERSE REACTIONS!!!

MERCURY???

OMG!

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Sep 21, 2009, at 7:58 PM

TC:

"I believe this is an incorrect assumption based on the reporter's limited perspective."

Are you privy to some information I haven't seen?

Has there been a stampede of people coming in the door at the newspaper office, demanding we publish the information you claim is the truth about the flu?

Are our real and virtual mailboxes filled with letters from our readers indicating their interest in this topic?

Nope.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Mon, Sep 21, 2009, at 7:55 PM

Quote:

"I said our readers didn't appear to be interested in the subject - and I still believe that's true." MDN Reporter 9/21/09

I believe this is an incorrect assumption based on the reporter's limited perspective.

I am interested and I'm sure others would like to have some real information on the whole flu issue.

So far all that has been reported here has been CDC handouts to fan the flu hysteria when there was not so much to it. People are being herded into taking these dangerous toxins.. no questions, no discussions and no real info from the local paper of record..

Maybe Oklahoma Reader might not be sick in his death bed today if the MDN had run some info about how to stay healthy in the first place.

If you don't want to hear it or report it, fine.. that's your choice.. but you shouldn't take it on yourself to choose what others are allowed to hear or say.

As someone once said, lead, follow or get out of the way.. stop impeding the free flow of information between others, please..

Flu info and analysis of data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention by Dr. Russell Blaylock. (September 5, 2009) Here:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig5/mercola...

-- Posted by Third Child on Mon, Sep 21, 2009, at 7:50 PM

Ya know, TC, this is what I find so objectionable about you. "The paper is too busy to cover the issue, according to one star reporter..". I'm going to just go ahead and assume you're referring to a post I made several days ago about why we haven't done a story on the "truth" about the flu vaccination. I didn't say we were "too busy." I said our readers didn't appear to be interested in the subject - and I still believe that's true. If you can't quote me correctly, don't "quote" me at all.

And, OK Reader, thank you for giving me the opportunity to add that in all of those comments TC has made, roughly 14 were deleted. Yes, I counted.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Mon, Sep 21, 2009, at 7:04 PM

I was delivered by Doc Warren right there on the square in the back of his little clinic. My parents too bought a buick and had buicks for many many years to come.

-- Posted by litlmissme on Mon, Sep 21, 2009, at 6:33 PM

They had maybe 3 Doctors in Marshall, in the early Years. They went Above & Beyond! But i understand it's not that way now?

-- Posted by Jo on Mon, Sep 21, 2009, at 6:28 PM

"I've supplied enough links and info that people that care enough to do the research know that I am correct."

Yes, Third Child,

You have proved links. Over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.

We get it. We got it a long, long time ago.

Could you please, for the love of sanity move on to your next great conspiracy?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Mon, Sep 21, 2009, at 6:26 PM

"I think I have the flu, wonderful. Now if I could just get my hands on some information as to what to do about it."

You didn't care to know anything about it before you got sick. Now it's probably too late for you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--nWrqIsp...

-- Posted by Third Child on Mon, Sep 21, 2009, at 6:12 PM

"I'm so glad you posted something about flu shots"

Well someone sure needs to speak up!

I can't be the only one that knows how dangerous these vaccines are.

The paper is too busy to cover the issue, according to one star reporter..

I've supplied enough links and info that people that care enough to do the research know that I am correct.

Those that don't care can only gripe that THEY DON'T WANT TO KNOW cause they're chicken.. they can't handle the truth..

-- Posted by Third Child on Mon, Sep 21, 2009, at 6:06 PM

By the way, I think I have the flu, wonderful. Now if I could just get my hands on some information as to what to do about it. Any one have any thoughts on that?

If not I guess I'll just hunker down for the duration, drink lotsa water, have a little chicken soup, and most of all avoid aggravation.

Sniff, sniff, a...CHEEEW!

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Sep 21, 2009, at 5:51 PM

Well Third Child despite your protests that you are being censored by the dark forces that control this blog you had, by my count, one hundred and fifty eight entries survive from 8/23/09 to 9/21/09. There were a total of one thousand and eight entries. I believe that is something like sixteen percent of the entries were yours. When you take into consideration the considerable number of responses to what you said you sure enough were Big Dog this month. Dude you dominated, awesome.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Sep 21, 2009, at 5:45 PM

Thank you, make it a double.

-- Posted by broke-n-busted on Mon, Sep 21, 2009, at 5:06 PM

Gee Third Child,

I'm so glad you posted something about flu shots. I was afraid at least one person on the planet may not know how you feel about them.

Bravo!

-- Posted by What the f...... on Mon, Sep 21, 2009, at 4:29 PM

So Saline County Health is doing a dozen or so 'Flu Clinic Test' in the county and the there hasn't been one single article in the paper educating the public about the risks and benefit ratio, or the gambling odds... of these un-tested, un-proven vaccines..

-- Posted by Third Child on Mon, Sep 21, 2009, at 4:08 PM

Salt Lake, Utah, Overwhelmingly Rejects Flu Shots

"Annual flu vaccine drive sees lowest turnout ever"

September 20th, 2009 SALT LAKE COUNTY -- The Salt Lake Valley Health Department had the lowest turnout ever for its annual flu vaccination drive Saturday.

Officials were hoping to give out as many as 8,000 flu shots, but only several hundred people showed up.

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=7991218

-- Posted by Third Child on Mon, Sep 21, 2009, at 3:54 PM

Fast cars and fast Doctors in Marshall

Dr. K.E. Warren, drove my parents and little sister to Children's Mercy Hospital, Kansas City, from the Marshall Square back in the 1950's.

My dad talked about it quite a few times. Ol' Doc made an impression with his driving skills as much as his doctoring skills.

Doc Warren, saved my sister's life that day by taking extreme measures at great risk to himself. (and possibly others) but it worked out like it does in the movies.. the good Doctor saved my sister's life against some very bad odds of doing so.. epic..

A Buick Roadmaster, Straight 8, as I remember.. my dad always had Buicks after that..

anyway, Doc Warren's, driving impressed him as much or more than what that big old Buick did at over a hundred miles an hour, up 24 hyway.

24 wasn't the road you know today. Thru Lexington and up the old river trail.. that Buick probably weighed about two and a half tons.. flying over rough, narrow, crooked roads, thru every town and country stop sign, Doc Kenneth Warren, and Buick Motorcars, thoroughly impressed my folks that day and for years later..

-- Posted by Third Child on Mon, Sep 21, 2009, at 3:38 PM


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