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Tuesday, June 30, 2009

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  • A few weeks ago I took a week & a half off to go to a fiddle camp in Montana. Not that I play fiddle, but they let mandolinerators and guitarists attend, too.

    The fellow I studied with was Jacob Means, a talented young mandolin player who has studied some with the great Chris Thile.

    Some of you may know Thile, who played mandolin for Nickel Creek & is now doing solo projects of one sort or another. An astounding talent.

    Here's Thile and Mike Marshall playing a traditional tune, Fisher's Hornpipe. Amazing what these guys can do with a simple little melody.


    -- Posted by Eric Crump on Tue, Jun 30, 2009, at 3:26 PM
  • Editor Crump, this is a very enjoyable way to start the new page. :)

    I also enjoyed Bach's Goldberg Variations since I've been a nearly life-long fan of J.S. Bach's music.

    -- Posted by Slater on Tue, Jun 30, 2009, at 4:36 PM
  • I agree, Slater. Marshall and Thile are mighty versatile.

    -- Posted by Eric Crump on Tue, Jun 30, 2009, at 5:39 PM
  • Eric thank you for posting the link those 2 are flat out amazing.

    -- Posted by Gal66 on Tue, Jun 30, 2009, at 6:24 PM
  • news across I may be seeing things but I think I count 8 tuning machines on the mandolin's the are playing in the video.

    Eric are mandolin's like guitars in that some of them have more strings than others?

    -- Posted by Gal66 on Tue, Jun 30, 2009, at 6:29 PM
  • ok thought I was seeing things


    -- Posted by Gal66 on Tue, Jun 30, 2009, at 6:47 PM
  • News across already clarified the string question, but I have seen 4-string mandolins. One, anyway. It was an electric.

    I envy you, News. I toyed with the idea of taking up the fiddle, too, but then I came to my senses. Starting this late in life, I'd end up being really bad at two instruments instead of less bad at one. I got *some* pride, after all :-)

    Besides, I think it's unwise to "toy" with the idea of playing fiddle. It demands more commitment than that!

    -- Posted by Eric Crump on Tue, Jun 30, 2009, at 6:57 PM
  • That's good advice, News. I believe I'll take it.

    -- Posted by Eric Crump on Tue, Jun 30, 2009, at 9:31 PM
  • Thanks Eric for the connection to Thile/Marshall. They looked so happy. I, too wanted to check out Bach's Goldberg, but You Tube was down for maintenance, so I'll check back.

    News Across aren't you also an economist? You've had an interesting journey, in many ways!

    -- Posted by upsedaisy on Tue, Jun 30, 2009, at 10:19 PM
  • so, news across, if u live in australia, what's your connection to marshall and this web site? why do you care? just curious

    -- Posted by aikman8 on Tue, Jun 30, 2009, at 11:54 PM
  • Hey Eric

    Ever heard much from Sam Bush - formerly of the New Grass Revival?

    Bush on mandolin, Bela Fleck on Banjo, Jerry Douglas on dobro, and Pat Flynn on flat-top guitar - what a sweet sound that was. I think Douglas has been playing with Allison Krause and Union Station for a few years now.

    Bush and Jimmy Ibbotson of the Dirt Band are both fine mandolin pickers in their own right.

    May want to throw in Vince Gill too - who is probably better known for his guitar work.

    Just a few idle thoughts.

    Maybe we can get together and pick sometime.

    -- Posted by circuitrider on Wed, Jul 1, 2009, at 11:05 AM
  • Circuitrider,

    I have heard Sam Bush, yeah. Excellent picker! He plays on one of my favorite albums, Bluegrass Mandolin Extravaganza. My list of mandolin players I admire is long and seems to get longer all the time. I like Simon Mayor and Adam Steffey for the clean, sweet tone they get & Mike Compton, Ricky Skaggs and Ronnie McCoury for the hard-driving sound.

    -- Posted by Eric Crump on Wed, Jul 1, 2009, at 12:25 PM
  • Sweet

    I almost mentioned Skaggs and McCroury, but decided to go with my short list.

    Keep Pickin Buddy!

    -- Posted by circuitrider on Wed, Jul 1, 2009, at 1:37 PM
  • News Across, whoever that is, wrote:

    "just because we Missourians and other Americans move to another nation, it does not mean we stop being Missourians or Americans."

    The things you expouse and advocate are not part any America that I grew up in and I don't believe it was any part of a Montague Hill America either.

    You have accused anyone you consider a conservative to be collectively guilty of anything and everything criminal that any disturbed person ever did or might possibly do in the future.. your world view seems more distopian "1984" than any America I grew up in..

    I think Aikman was asking where you get off advocating the imprisonment of people simply exercising their right of free speech? Who are you and why should we listen?

    -- Posted by Third Child on Wed, Jul 1, 2009, at 4:59 PM
  • "TC, do you realize that Jeremy Scahill and Dennis Kucinich are also environmentalists?"

    I never heard of Scahill before that video but I'll take your word on it. Dennis Kucinich voted against Al Gore's Cap and Trade scheme.. according to news across, whoever that is, and Oklahoma Reader, that makes him a neocon..

    We all want clean air and water. But that has nothing to do with life giving CO2.. Cap and Trade shennanigans in the pattern of Ken Lay's Enron is not enviornmentalism. Everything isn't divided up into Democrat and Republican factions. The false left right paradigm is being used to control and divide. Look how divisive news across and the Okie Reader are being.. everyone's a necon that doesn' agree that the sky is falling and a new global tax paid to bankers will fix it. It's simple minded and it's arrogant at the same time. They don't want people to think for themselves. Al Gore lies to make billions. The case for 'human' caused global warming is not closed. It is a hoax and has nothing to do with enviornmentalism. If Al gore really cared about our health and future he would stand up against GMO food, aspartame, SSRIs, fluoride in the water and in the food, high fructose corn syrup, and mercury added to already dangerous vaccines.. why in the hell does a newborn baby need a hepatitis shot anyway?? Where does it end? Fluoride and melamine is in baby formulas! The FDA says it's GOOD for you!

    It's all insane..

    Enviornmentalisn should be about healthy things and the absence of harmful additives in the air water and food. Global warming caused by CO2 is a hoax. A tax on breathing is a sin. There is plenty to get worked up about and CO2 is not one of them.

    Anyway, the video was about exposing the new world order.. did you watch it?


    -- Posted by Third Child on Wed, Jul 1, 2009, at 5:52 PM
  • If a neocon is 'a former liberal expousing assertive promotion of democracy and United States national interest in international affairs including through military means' then it looks like Barack H. Obama must be a neocon.

    Obama started indiscriminate killing of civilians his first few days in office. He's cranking up the war machine and lied about bringing the troops home. He also lied about transparency, hiring lobbyist, signing statements and is now lying about interfering in democratic elections in Iran. He's drawing up plans to legitimize indefinate detention. The only difference between Obama and Bush seems to be rhetoric.

    Is it seditious to point out another Obama lie? Jeremy Scahill:

    - Little Known Military Thug Squad Still Brutalizing Prisoners at Gitmo Under Obama


    -- Posted by Third Child on Wed, Jul 1, 2009, at 7:37 PM
  • News Across, I don't remember who said it first, but "everyone has one book in them." Your father didn't know how the turns your life would take. If the muse is still there--start the first chapter. You might be surprised.

    This forum is interesting to me for the divergent opinions expressed by readers who come together from around the world to share ideas on current events as well as memories of Central Missouri. The paper's staff are interesting, articulate people and have wide ranging interests. I read a number of papers from around the world and this forum has proved to be the very best.

    BTW, have you seen the Wave rock formation near Denmark Australia.? I wondered if it was worth the effort of getting there. I've been to Sydney, a couple of times, Melbourne, Perth, Margaret Valley down to Cape Leuwin. It's a vast country. Should I keep it on my Bucket list? Cheers.

    -- Posted by upsedaisy on Wed, Jul 1, 2009, at 9:41 PM
  • news across ...

    no need to get so defensive, i was just curious what your story was and what angle you were coming from, because not many living in australia care about anything posted on this little demo news web site. in fact .... ummmmm ... let me think .... you might be the .... ummmm ... only australian posting here? lol.

    i don't agree with your opinions and silly thoughts at all, but ... i do respect them, that's what makes america great, we all are able to have an opinion that can be verbalized and won't get us in trouble or followed by the government. well, at least not yet ... your guy nobama IS in charge for the next 1360 days or so.

    or maybe it's less than that ... CHANGE is truly coming with the 2010 elections ... by then your guy nobama will have ticked off nearly every american with his spendathon and immature policies.

    i welcome you as a fellow marshallite. thank you for explaining where you're coming from on all this. inquiring minds wanna know, lol.

    -- Posted by aikman8 on Wed, Jul 1, 2009, at 11:57 PM
  • by the way news across, i applaud you for moving all the way to australia to make your wife happy ... that's a huge sacrifice and something that not many would do. family and friends are people we can always visit ... finding that special one we love and spend the rest of our life with is hopefully a one-time thing and it's great that you recognize that and went the distance for it ... no pun intended.

    -- Posted by aikman8 on Thu, Jul 2, 2009, at 12:07 AM
  • Third Child, we had an agreement that we were going to ignore each other. I have stuck to the bargain. You continue to misrepresent, and to misinterperet my statements, and positions. I have never stated my position on cap, and trade, on this blog, nor any other. So unless something is whispering secret thoughts to you, you are clueless. Must you run on driven by your erroneous assumptions?

    Can you not at least keep your word?

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Jul 2, 2009, at 12:56 AM
  • "we had an agreement that we were going to ignore each other"

    Well this isn't true at all.. please stop being dishonest..

    -- Posted by Third Child on Thu, Jul 2, 2009, at 8:22 AM
  • Aw geez, you guys aren't going to start arguing about whether you agreed to stop arguing are ya?

    -- Posted by Eric Crump on Thu, Jul 2, 2009, at 9:01 AM
  • There is no argument here. Just setting the record straight.

    -- Posted by Third Child on Thu, Jul 2, 2009, at 9:15 AM
  • Cheetah, heavenly days, you are in danger of losing your soul over the use of the acronym ROTFLMAO. It apparently contains an unacceptable word, or so I'm told...I think the word in question might be "laughing..." but I'm sure someone will soon set you straight on that. Oh, that reminds me, I'm also ROTFLMAO over Eric's comment :)

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Thu, Jul 2, 2009, at 10:45 AM
  • Good one, Eric.

    Whoa .... whats up here ....aikman8 turns out to be a big conservative softie, third child posted two brief posts in a row with no weblinks, and all have agreed to disagree.

    If it wasn't so hot out, I'd swear the upcoming holiday was Christmas (can I say Christmas here?).

    Oh, wait, my point... Let's all go out this weekend and celebrate our freedom to insult each other on this blog!

    -- Posted by countryman on Thu, Jul 2, 2009, at 11:30 AM
  • Banksters Love Cap-and-Trade

    The well-placed and well-connected are set to make trillions off new climate bill; economic collapse about to accelerate..



    the entire idea of "cleaning" the atmosphere of carbon dioxide seems a bit ridiculous when you realize that by historical levels we are living in a CO2-starved environment, that global surface temperatures are dropping, that global ocean temperatures are dropping, that key proponents of the manmade global warming theory have been caught faking data to support their arguments, that Arctic sea ice is expanding, and that sea levels are not rising. But why let actual science get in the way of a good scare story, especially when that scare story can be used to create a new trillion dollar industry for the banksters?

    For those who cannot be convinced to consider an issue until it affects them personally, rest assured this draconian new legislation will reach into every American citizen's living room...literally. As Congressman Steve Scalise has already pointed out, this "climate bill" contains within it a new national building code that supersedes all existing state codes. If enacted, this legislation will create an entirely new class of federally-funded green brigades with the mandate to perform house-to-house inspections to look for violations of this new "green" building code. They would even be able to impose civil penalties for code violations (like having the wrong windows or lightbulbs).

    This bill is not only unnecessary, it is dangerous. It is not only economically reckless, it is economically suicidal. It's passage will be a particularly dark day in American legislative history, something almost unthinkable given the constitution-destroying atrocities passed during the Bush years. There is only one thing left for Americans to do: call their senators and let them know that it's time to make a decision: vote against the Clean Energy & Security Act of 2009 or join the unemployment line come next election.

    -- Posted by Third Child on Thu, Jul 2, 2009, at 11:38 AM
  • Third Child: On June 17th, 2009 you said "either way, my reactions to you are now going to be few and far between. If you can come up with an honest debate on something, I'll reconsider." I replied on the same date "So long Third Child I am just going to join others in ignoring you."

    Judging your comments regarding me since that time you obviously do not think I have come up with an "honest debate" on anything. So, why do you persist in reacting to me?

    The only reason I said anything directly to you in my last comment was that you as usual just assumed that I was in favor of "cap and trade", and stated that I was. I stated that I had never stated a position on cap and trade on the blog, still haven't. As usual you ignored the point of my comment. Most people would have replied sorry I misrepresented your position, not you.

    While I do agree with you on some issues my honest opinion is that you are a confused person who sees a conspiracy around every corner, and that there appears to be no rational connection between your all over the map opinions.

    Now, that is the last comment I will make to you. Say what you will, I will leave it up to others to judge the veracity of your comments. I am confident that you will be the source of your own undoing.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Jul 2, 2009, at 2:02 PM
  • Let's all have a safe and enjoyable Independence Day weekend full of good food, good company, and cold drinks!

    -- Posted by Slater on Thu, Jul 2, 2009, at 4:48 PM
  • "I don't know of any accredited university or college that would accept him as an acceptable source."

    As opposed to Al Gore, the lying politician that stands to reap billions from this CO2 tax scam??

    You sure seem to put a lot of faith in that hoaxter.. What are Al Gore's scientific credentials?

    Gore lies to congress about investments


    Lies, Damned Lies and Al Gore on Climate


    An Inconvenient Verdict for Al Gore

    British Court Ruling on Errors in 'An Inconvenient Truth' Resurrects Global Warming Debate


    -- Posted by Third Child on Thu, Jul 2, 2009, at 6:11 PM
  • "those of you on the right of this issue are nothing more than a bunch of angry, ignorant, pitch-fork wielding, sore losers viciously lashing out at any known liberal and grasping in the air for straws."

    News across,

    Without comment at this time, I'll just repost the highlight of your argumentation. Priceless!

    -- Posted by Third Child on Thu, Jul 2, 2009, at 7:13 PM
  • Happy Independence Day to everyone. Hip Hip Hooray

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Jul 2, 2009, at 9:17 PM
  • Enjoy the 4th and remember my slogan once published by the Reader's Digest for which they sent me $400. "He who comes forth with a fifth on the fourth, may not come forth on the fifth. Don't drink and drive." WT

    -- Posted by White Tornado on Thu, Jul 2, 2009, at 11:17 PM
  • conservative softie ... lol countryman. just recognizing something for what it is, and i admire what news across has done. it needs to be acknowledged.

    however, i don't personally agree with very many of his political views, and i think i can speak for others (except for the demo news who probably loves the controversey, drives people to their web site), when i say ... news across and third child, give it a break! we're tired of reading your hissy fits at each other. it's gotten to the point where i just scroll on by them and don't even read, too long. admire your passion but ... call a truce guys, it's getting old.

    -- Posted by aikman8 on Thu, Jul 2, 2009, at 11:48 PM
  • The words "selfless" and Al Gore Jr. in the same sentence just doesn't sound right to me. How about some examples, news across?

    -- Posted by Third Child on Fri, Jul 3, 2009, at 8:38 AM
  • Can any one tell me the hours Blind pony Lake area is open for fishing? I checked on google and not finding tha info.

    -- Posted by litlmissme on Fri, Jul 3, 2009, at 9:11 AM
  • Al Gore served less than 5 months in Vietnam as a reporter and asked for and got an early release. As has been a continuing pattern of Al Gore, the personal accounts of his service appear to be greatly exaggerated.

    We wouldn't be discussing Al Gore at all if it weren't for the fact that he is the point man for a global lobby for the final destruction of what is left of this country's economy. Gore has "selflessly" positioned himself to reap

    billions of dollars in this treasonous globalist power play and it is all based on corrupted junk science and the gullibility of a dumbed down kumbayya crowd that embraces anything that has a feel good emotional hook.

    News across, whoever that is, just posted an article on how bad the economy was for returning soldiers. Well it doesn't take a degree in accounting to see what is going to happen if Al Gore is successful in exacting this horrible CO2 tax scheme on an already faltering economy. The science is junk and Al Gore and anyone that studies it knows it. Al Gore has been proven a liar that stands to make billions

    destroying our nation and enslaving the world. That's treason in my book and people better wake up and make sure that their Senators know that we know. They are not going to get away with signing off on this plunder and destruction power play of globalist bankers like the House did without reading the bill. There are laws that "We The People" have at our disposal to deal with treasonous acts of our elected people. Maybe 'news across' would like to comment on those..

    -- Posted by Third Child on Fri, Jul 3, 2009, at 10:57 AM
  • In this link is a good explanation of our current taxing structure. It's plain to see why a "fair tax" proposal is unnecessary, when modifying the present system to introduce real equity is all that's needed.


    -- Posted by Slater on Fri, Jul 3, 2009, at 12:45 PM
  • Here's another link with a detailed explanation of the tax structure. It's in PDF format, so you'll need Adobe Reader to open it:


    -- Posted by Slater on Fri, Jul 3, 2009, at 12:52 PM
  • Litlmissme, check out this link for Blind Pony Lake:


    -- Posted by Slater on Fri, Jul 3, 2009, at 2:06 PM
  • There's an article in the paper here where I live, Sequim, WA, letter to the "people's pharmacy" column where a man wrote in that his wife suffered from macular degeneration.

    Four years ago, the Dr. told her that her vision was 45% blocked and there was nothing to do about it. It would just slowly get worse. They started taking bilberry capsules and a year later the Dr. check-up showed it was now only 25% blocked and getting better.

    She passed away 3 years later at age 82 and she had no macular degeneration. It had cleared up in less than 2 years.

    I personally take bilberry, lutein and zeaxanthin which are primarily used by the eyes. I'm 72 this month and still have 20/20 or better. I highly recommend vitamins.

    My favorite aunt suffered from this and I wish I had known this while she was still around. The nice thing about vitamins, very rarely any side effects unlike most drugs. WT

    -- Posted by White Tornado on Fri, Jul 3, 2009, at 3:17 PM
  • Interesting story, WT. Macular Degeneration occurs in two forms - one is treatable, and the other is progressive and permanent. Obviously the woman had the treatable kind.

    If the medical people in that part of Washington didn't know the difference, then I suppose it's possible that she died from herbal poisoning.

    -- Posted by Slater on Fri, Jul 3, 2009, at 3:30 PM
  • It was breaking news three days ago but mainstream media wasn't interested.




    Cynthia McKinney takes on Donald Rumsfeld

    Cynthia McKinney (D-GA) asks questions about:

    Dyncorp Sex-Trade, Pentagon Missing $2.3 Trillion & 9/11 Wargames

    -- Posted by Third Child on Fri, Jul 3, 2009, at 6:04 PM
  • Here's a better version of McKinney grilling Rumsfeld


    Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney grills Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld on the Pentagon's missing trillions, DynCorp's slave trade, and the 9/11 wargames.

    House Hearing on FY06 Dept. of Defense Budget, March 11, 2005.















    -- Posted by Third Child on Fri, Jul 3, 2009, at 6:12 PM
  • 'The Israelis hijacked us,' McKinney says in call from prison


    By David Edwards Published: July 3, 2009

    "Most members of a group of foreign peace activists seized at sea by the Israeli navy remained in custody Friday, three days after their failed attempt to run Israel's blockade of the Gaza Strip, relatives and supporters said," the Associated Press reports.

    The AP add that "the Free Gaza Movement sent the ship loaded with humanitarian supplies and 21 activists and crew from Cyprus."

    "Because we wouldn't turn around, the Israelis hijacked us," former Rep. Cynthia McKinney told WBAIX in a phone call from Ramle jail, near Ben-Gurion airport. "Because we wanted to give crayons to the children of Gaza."

    Along with McKinney, Nobel Peace Prize laureate Mairead Corrigan Maguire is still being held by Israel.

    "It is incumbent upon President Obama to stand by his reported policy of easing the Gazan blockade and of allowing building supplies, medical supplies, and school supplies to go through," McKinney said. "We call upon President Obama to use the highest level of his authority to transmit this message to the Israelis."

    Sandra Law, mother of detained British activist Alex Harrison, and whose daughter is also being held at Ramle jail believes "the planned deportation of the activists may have been delayed by their refusal to sign legal documents in Hebrew, which they do not understand," the AP adds.

    -- Posted by Third Child on Fri, Jul 3, 2009, at 6:35 PM
  • Ms. McKinney is in a position she chose to be in. I don't feel sorry for her.

    -- Posted by waterman7622 on Fri, Jul 3, 2009, at 6:42 PM
  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkPvzSZRuDo

    Cynthia McKinney calls WBAIX from Israeli prison. She and 20 others where detained after being seized by Israeli Navy while in international waters. They were attempting to deliver humanitarian aid to Gaza. To watch live updates, interviews, protests go to http://www.livestream.com/wbaix Permission Granted to use by all above parties

    -- Posted by Third Child on Fri, Jul 3, 2009, at 6:44 PM
  • Third Child,

    Take a breath. Take a break. It's going to be a beautiful weekend. For all of our sake please try to enjoy it.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, Jul 3, 2009, at 7:06 PM
  • Thanks for responses on Blind Pony, I am taking an 8 year old and 7 year old so it doesn't matter how big the fish are as long as they are biting:)We just returned from a week up North and caught enough catfish to get a good taste.

    -- Posted by litlmissme on Fri, Jul 3, 2009, at 7:38 PM
  • It sounds like Ms. McKinney has found a way to get her name in the newspaper. Sad- being a troublemaker just to get some press.

    -- Posted by Nonnymus on Fri, Jul 3, 2009, at 8:55 PM
  • Mentioning fiddle camps in Montana brought to mind a couple of opportunities to hear some great strings:

    The Appalachian String Band Music Festival (304-558-0220; www.wvculture.org/stringband) at Camp Washington-Carver in Clifftop, W.Va., will be held on July 29 to Aug. 2 this year.

    The Old Fiddler's Convention will be held at Felts Park in Galax, Va. (276-236-8541; www.oldfiddlersconvention.com). It is scheduled for Aug. 3 to 8.

    -- Posted by upsedaisy on Fri, Jul 3, 2009, at 9:15 PM
  • Wave a flag, be happy, let's have a beer. Turn it on down cause we don't want to hear that we are not free, our country's a sham. So spare us these words we don't give a ****. A curtain, a man, we rather not know. The levers and wheels the sunlight would show. Things we can't admit because of the fear. Illusion be crushed,the things we hold dear. We don't want to know, at least in the light. Keep waving that flag and speak of good cheer.

    Fourth of July, did we give up the fight?

    Third Child

    "Take a breath. Take a break. It's going to be a beautiful weekend. For all of our sake please try to enjoy it."

    -- Posted by Third Child on Sat, Jul 4, 2009, at 11:43 AM
  • One Month Before Swine Flu, Alex Jones Predicted Flu Outbreak


    This interview with Dr. Rebecca Carley from the 5th of March outlines how a flu pandemic would be created by merging and mutating viruses in humans with vaccines. It just so happens the pandemic we face now is so similar to the one discussed in this interview. This proves once again that studying history, combined with current events, gives Alex Jones and the entire truth movement incredible foresight.

    -- Posted by Third Child on Sat, Jul 4, 2009, at 11:56 AM
  • Obama Administration Shuts Down 9/11 Families Lawsuit

    Court case aimed at revealing Saudi Royal family links to attacks quashed after pressure from government

    June 29, 2009

    The Obama administration has effectively ended the efforts of families of victims of the September 11th attacks to bring lawsuits against members of the Saudi Royal family for financial links to the conspiracy.

    The Supreme Court today ruled that it will not allow any lawsuits to go ahead, just a few weeks after the government filed a court brief asking that the case be quashed.

    The court, in an order Monday, is leaving in place the ruling of a federal appeals court that the country and the princes are protected by sovereign immunity, which generally means that foreign countries can't be sued in American courts, reports the Associated Press.

    In late May, the Justice Department had sided in court with the Saudi monarchy in seeking to halt further legal action to hold it liable for the attacks.

    The move came less than a week before Obama was scheduled to meet Saudi King Abdullah as part of his "rebuilding" trip to the Middle East.

    More than 6000 family members denounced the move as an "apparent effort to appease a sometime ally" in a public statement.

    The lawsuits claimed that Saudi Arabia and four of its princes actively aided in financing the plot through front groups posing as charities..

    Article continues:


    -- Posted by Third Child on Sat, Jul 4, 2009, at 7:41 PM
  • Obama bows to Saudi King


    The Founding Fathers are rolling over in their graves.. God bless our country

    -- Posted by Third Child on Sat, Jul 4, 2009, at 7:56 PM
  • Third Child,

    Are you a middle child who constantly seeks attention? Maybe you could start your own blog or website. God know you obviously have the time for it.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Sun, Jul 5, 2009, at 6:14 AM
  • "The passions unleashed by economic inequities are explosive because those inequities violate the fundamental capitalist faith. It's the bedrock American dream that virtues like hard work and playing by the rules are rewarded with prosperity." Frank Rich from his column July 5th, 2009.

    Here it is, a good read made easy: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/05/opinion/05rich.html?_r=1

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Jul 5, 2009, at 11:13 AM
  • I see that the ability to post comments was removed from this article.


    I went back to check and see if any of the questions had been answered. There are several questions there, including one from myself, that deserve an answer.

    Any plans for a follow up story from Geoff Rands, Eric?

    -- Posted by Tori on Sun, Jul 5, 2009, at 2:30 PM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    There were a number of personal accusations that were of questionable accuracy and the conversation seemed to be devolving from there. Questions about how the new system will work, how addressing works, how the building is designed, how money is spent and about decisions made by the board would be fair game.

    What specific questions are on your mind?

  • BTW:

    Any one with small children Blind Pony was great the kids caught at least 30 fish :) and we were only there from 12:00 until 4:00. The kids were pulling them in cast after cast. I did not see any big ones but we sure had fun! It is well worth the trip to see the smiles on the kids faces!

    -- Posted by litlmissme on Sun, Jul 5, 2009, at 4:24 PM
  • NewsAcross: I'm glad you enjoyed the Frank Rich piece, he is my favorite OpEd writer. I catch him every Sunday morning the old fashioned way, newspaper in hand. I thought this particular one was worth sharing, so went on line, copied, and pasted it. I appreciate the response.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Jul 5, 2009, at 6:45 PM
  • A most interesting article, OKR. US at 114th place, eh? Well, I don't know if that's so surprising, really.

    Maybe, somehow all of us who care about others and about equality could find a country to occupy - maybe the area west of the Mississippi. Put all the greedy b*****ds on the other side.

    I would never have imagined that 9 of the first 10 places would be Latin American countries. Maybe I'm guilty of stereotypical thinking.

    News made a good choice by picking Oz to settle in.

    Hey News! Is Qantas using the same methods as New Zealand Air to edify it passengers? heh heh

    -- Posted by Slater on Sun, Jul 5, 2009, at 7:07 PM
  • Litlmissme,

    It sounds as if the kids had a great time. I'll bet they're already wanting to know when they get to go back. :)

    -- Posted by Slater on Sun, Jul 5, 2009, at 7:39 PM
  • Hey Slater. I hope you enjoyed Independence Day. I certainly did. Firecracker Day with Grand Kids, ice cream, and strawberry shortcake (my wife's awesome secret recipe). Then beer and conversation with the adults of a gang of fifteen at the gathering.

    We followed by visiting the traveling Vietnam Memorial today. We were fortunate to have it in our locale this holiday. It is good to be reminded that many are dead, and that their families suffer on from a war long ago ended. War and its lingering effects on good people teach the lesson that war should always be a last resort. I saw a lot of tears, and the even sadder faces of some who can no longer cry.

    Slater, I can't seem to find a reference for your comment about the U.S. being 114th in the Frank Rich column. Could you have drawn that stat from elsewhere?

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Jul 5, 2009, at 7:40 PM
  • Thanks News, I'll check it out.

    I hope you had a wonderful holiday.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Jul 5, 2009, at 8:16 PM
  • OKR, something very queer has happened, but I want to preface it by talking a little about Shiner, TX.

    Shiner is the home of Shiner Brewery (nope, this isn't the oddity), and 2009 marks the 100th year of production.

    To mark this milestone, the brewery has made what it's calling Shiner Commemorator, which tastes much like many of the marvelous beers I consumed while in Germany during my Army days. Unfortunately, 12/31/09 will see the end of this very tasty brew.

    Now, that brings me to the odd happening. I read your post with the link to that NYt article, but somehow I see I managed to click on the link posted by News about Oz being the third best place on Earth to live, and that's how the US stat got into this.

    Once I realized my error, I started scrolling down to your link, but, lo and behold, it's gone!

    I remembered the problem you encountered a while back, when a big chunk of the posts weren't showing on your screen, but I suppose sooner or later it'll return.

    Before anyone begins offersing suggestions about clearing the cache, etc., those factors don't enter into my particular situation. Rather, I think I may still be delirious from all the Commemorator I've consumed during this weekend.

    If its days are numbered, I have to do what I can to show my support for their fine products. :)

    Foggy Mountain Breakdown.

    -- Posted by Slater on Sun, Jul 5, 2009, at 9:48 PM
  • OKR, yes indeed we've had a great Independence Day weekend, and I'm glad to know that yours was also.

    We didn't have anything quite so interesting as the traveling Vietnam memorial. I've not seen the stationary one in Washington, yet, but I hope to get there before much more time passes. I haven't been in D.C. since 1961, so I'll have a lot of catching up to do.

    I may be passing through your vicinity in September on the way to Slater for my class reunion. I'll wave if we drive. :)

    -- Posted by Slater on Sun, Jul 5, 2009, at 10:03 PM
  • news across .. completely agree with you on the fair tax thoughts.

    still though ... you and your battle with third child ... yawwwwwwwwwwwwn .. i skip on by them! tired of it. as i'm sure many on here are.

    i'm glad you and the third child are having fun with it though, that's what this is all about, free speech. enjoy yourselves.

    -- Posted by aikman8 on Sun, Jul 5, 2009, at 10:31 PM
  • litlmissme--did you get a picture of the children w/their catch? Maybe MDN will publish. Were some of the fish "keepers"? In an earlier post you mentioned the catfish catch had been big enough to provide a good taste. Hope they were delicious. Thanks for making a special day for a seven and eight year old.

    -- Posted by upsedaisy on Sun, Jul 5, 2009, at 11:07 PM
  • Slater, our eyes play tricks upon us. Especially if we're sampling a Shiner or two. "Commemorator"? Who named the beer? George W. Bush? I read your post and thought Shiner beer was going out of "bidness" at the end of the year. Then I reread the post and realized that "Commemorator" was in limited production. Perhaps, if others like it as much as you do, Shiner will keep the formula going for the next 100 years! Cheers!

    -- Posted by upsedaisy on Sun, Jul 5, 2009, at 11:20 PM
  • news across here is a BBQ sauce recipe we like a lot

    Bold Barbecue Sauce Recipe


    2 Cups Ketchup

    1/4 Cup Molasses (If you are using a really strong flavored molasses reduce amount to

    1/8 Cup equivalent to 2 TBS)

    3 tsp Worcestershire Sauce

    Juice from 1/2 Fresh Lemon (Approx. 2 TBS)

    1/2 tsp Tabasco® Brand Hot Sauce

    3/8 Cups Dark Brown Sugar

    1/2 tsp Cayenne (Red Pepper)

    2 Cloves Minced Fresh Garlic

    1 TBS Course (Salad Grind) Black Pepper

    Note: for a milder sauce, cut the Black Pepper to 1/2 TBS instead of a full TBS.


    In a small sauce pan add the ketchup and the molasses then using the same measuring cup add the

    Worcestershire sauce, lemon juice, and Tabasco mixing it all around to make sure all ingredients end up in the sauce pan and are not left in the bottom of the cup.

    Add the dark brown sugar and the cayenne to taste. Note: the cayenne will strengthen in flavor as the sauce cools so it is wise to add a little less than you think is enough.

    The above amounts are suited to my personal taste and may be too spicy for some.

    The dark brown sugar can be modified slightly as well if you tend to like a sweeter or less sweet sauce.

    Add the course black pepper per the recipe and allow to simmer for 15 minutes to combine the flavors.

    Makes about a pint and a half of sauce that is excellent on Beef, Pork and Poultry

    Serve warm

    -- Posted by Gal66 on Mon, Jul 6, 2009, at 8:13 AM
  • I mean really, A Recipe on the blog wall?

    -- Posted by SalineFire on Mon, Jul 6, 2009, at 9:01 AM
  • Frank Rich downplays the Bernie Madoff crimes as "merely a one-off old-fashioned Ponzi scheme" compared to the "esoteric (and often legal) heists by banks and bankers."

    In the first sentence Mr. Rich tells the truth and tells a lie. He admits to "legal" bank heists but lies about this being a one off lone wolf crime. He prattles on about FDR pretending to pursue a bunch of John Dillingers to appease the ignorant masses after they were robbed by the bankers during that depression. He conflates that to today's bank heists, pretending that criminals are being pursued instead of being enabled as they are by the likes of Obama's Geitner, Bernake and Summers.

    Frank Rich knows that Bernie Madoff did not act alone and that every transaction was tracked and documented. Madoff is put up as the sacrificial goat and the dumb masses are supposed to go back to sleep. Others involved in this and other crimes are left to continue their plunders until the dumbed down masses are completely fleeced.

    Mr. Rich deceives the public with totally irrelevant and unrelated trivia and fails to report the obvious. Rich avoids the story of who else was involved and where did the money go? He has access to this information and knows more than he pretends but he is not going to write about that.

    We are being entertained and misdirected much like a magician or sorcerer fools the masses. Mr. Rich does this well. That is why they pay him so much..

    -- Posted by Third Child on Mon, Jul 6, 2009, at 10:03 AM
  • Thank you, Upsedaisy. Yes, I did locate OKR's link, so, borrowing a well-known phrase, all's well that ends well.

    Actually, I had two bottles of the Commemorator (so named by the brewery) during the weekend, and that was the extent of my imbibing. A glass of good port or an occasional ale is it for me.

    Here's a link to some good music:


    -- Posted by Slater on Mon, Jul 6, 2009, at 11:00 AM
  • And whats wrong with that SalineFire?

    -- Posted by Gal66 on Mon, Jul 6, 2009, at 11:09 AM
  • Gal66, this sounds like a tasty recipe. Thanks for posting!

    -- Posted by Slater on Mon, Jul 6, 2009, at 11:33 AM
  • Sen. John Cornyn gets booed at Texas tea party.

    July 4 2009


    -- Posted by Third Child on Mon, Jul 6, 2009, at 12:14 PM
  • -- Posted by Slater on Mon, Jul 6, 2009, at 12:33 PM
  • Slater, I don't feel like dancing. Let's talk chemtrails. What do you see when you look at all the trails across the sky?



    "geoengineering" site:.gov filetype:pdf

    -- Posted by Third Child on Mon, Jul 6, 2009, at 1:11 PM
  • I found this quote from John L. Blackburn, whose obituary was published in today's issue of The Marshall Democrat-News:

    "A good community is comprised of more than one generation; embraces transcending values that esteem each citizen; and creates a sense of oneness where individuals set aside personal gain, benefit, or goal for the sake of the group."

    I don't have anything I'm trying to say about this, I just think it's a good statement about community.

    -- Posted by Geoff Rands on Mon, Jul 6, 2009, at 1:34 PM
  • One day I'm called a nasty neocon, the next day I'm called a crazy left wing wacko.

    So much confusion about what I post. Obviously, I'm not posting enough..

    -- Posted by Third Child on Mon, Jul 6, 2009, at 3:24 PM
  • TC, since you asked, I'll tell you what I see in the sky: nothing.

    Beginning in January 1983 I started having problems with my vision. A visit to the ophthalmologist showed a degeneration in the retinal tissue, and the diagnosis was Retinitis Pigmentosa (RP), which is a progressive and permanent degeneration of retinal tissue. In my case it results from the collapse of blood vessels supplying the retinas. No cause has been determined. That briefly describes my situation.

    It's been reported that contrails form when the heat from the engine exhaust combines with the cold, moist air, forming ice crystals.

    I'm sure that the composition of the atmosphere has changed over the years since I was lying in the grass looking up at the trails. Everything else is becoming tainted, thanks to the human race, so whatever you believe to be happening and whatever you believe is the cause, or causes, may very well be true. I'm not a scientist, so I have no learned opinion of such matters.

    Maybe science is more exact than economics, but there seems to be some argument about the issue of global warming. Why, I'm not sure, because there does seem to be enough real evidence that CO2 is doing a great harm to the planet.

    Maybe people are like the group of legislators who said a few years ago while working on fixing social security, "Why should we bother? We won't be around 50 years from now to know the outcome. (paraphrased)

    I have my doubts that our current crop of government officials are capable of ever doing the right thing about anything, and I'm not certain that we'd ever have a group dedicated to the preservation of our country and our Earth.

    -- Posted by Slater on Mon, Jul 6, 2009, at 6:11 PM
  • Chemtrails

    Kennedy assassination and 9/11 conspiracy theorists are mere pikers compared to "chemtrail" buffs. You will rarely find a more virulently self-deluded group, anywhere. - Dave Thomas


    -- Posted by ceh_meh@verizon.net on Mon, Jul 6, 2009, at 7:42 PM
  • Nuttin wrong w/recipes turning up occasionally. Ran across my copy of "Kitchen Klatter" from the 60s. Back then people phoned the radio station w/recipes and they were carefully copied down by listeners. I'll check to see if there are any special BBQ Sauce recipes. Today, there's food network, epicurious.com and myrecipes.com among others, no end to variations on a theme.

    -- Posted by upsedaisy on Mon, Jul 6, 2009, at 9:57 PM
  • Slater, sorry to hear about your eyesight although it takes you off the hook for an opinion of chemtrails versus contrails.

    I did note that barium is detected in

    the Marshall drinking water. Anyone know how this happens? It is one of the chemicals discussed in many of the hundreds of government white papers I linked to on geoengineering. They talk a lot about spraying us, to save the earth of course..

    but it would only be a "conspiracy theory" to think that they might actually spray us.


    -- Posted by Third Child on Mon, Jul 6, 2009, at 11:20 PM
  • "Kennedy assassination and 9/11 conspiracy theorists are mere pikers compared to "chemtrail" buffs."

    I don't know enough about chemtrails to call myself a buff but I do have some strong opinions that we have been lied to about the Kennedy assassination and the official 9/11 "conspiracy theory."

    The physics of both a single bullet doing all that havoc and three central core skyscrapers disintegrating into their own footprint at the speed of accelerated gravity seems to be beyond the abilities of a lone shooter with a junk rifle or that of 19 Arabs with box cutters.. It's hard to prove that physics lies but easy to prove that our government does.

    Who here absolutely believes the official story on the JFK assassination? Who believes the official version of 9/11 and which version do you ascribe to?

    -- Posted by Third Child on Mon, Jul 6, 2009, at 11:40 PM
  • Slater,

    boomersradio.com for good music.


    -- Posted by pressman on Tue, Jul 7, 2009, at 12:09 AM
  • news across your more than welcome I hope you all enjoy it.

    -- Posted by Gal66 on Tue, Jul 7, 2009, at 6:53 AM
  • 'the lobbyists are lining up - you were set up..'

    Those that believed the rhetoric of 'change' were set up. Obama is the product and puppet of Wall Street. He doesn't call the shots.

    The only thing changed is a different group of people buy the illusion of law and democracy than was the case with Bush. What happened to the antiwar Democrats? They seem to have traded that passion for that of government cheese. As the dollars migrate out of the economy and to the bankers, with another 'stimulus' package on the horizon, reality slowly begins to soak in for those paying attention. How many are able to detect that the game is still rigged and it just has another figure head?

    Obama's grace period free pass can crash any day. His numbers are down and unemployment is in the 20% range. More tax and less freedom should be a hard sell to an awake populace but that is why they put fluoride in the water, eh? They want us dumbed down and misinformed. We want white teeth and free cheese. Our vote counts. Change we can believe in..

    -- Posted by Third Child on Tue, Jul 7, 2009, at 12:54 PM
  • I think i would prefer to have Obama at the Helm , than a Pathetic little Man, like Bush! I think everyone has forgotten that all these guys should be in Federal Prison by now! Obama is doing the best he can , with the Tools he was left with! He may never get it done, it is a mess!

    -- Posted by Jo on Tue, Jul 7, 2009, at 3:20 PM
  • For those who recognize that one or two really good brewskis on a hot day are a taste treat and not the first steps to tying one on, you may want to read more about Spoetzl Brewery in SHINER, TX the one-stoplight town that's not on the way to anywhere which Slater talked about in a recent post.

    Keeping children from alcohol is the responsibility of parents. I do not believe in underage drinking after reading the reports of the part it plays in brain damage in the young.

    I also do not believe the proposed beer garden at the Fairgrounds would lead children into the path of the unrighteous.

    -- Posted by upsedaisy on Tue, Jul 7, 2009, at 4:10 PM
  • "i would prefer to have Obama at the Helm , than a Pathetic little Man, like Bush! I think everyone has forgotten that all these guys should be in Federal Prison by now!"

    Obama has decided not to pursue any criminal charges against Bush and company. Bush lied our country into war and Obama, after lying to the public that he was the 'peace' candidate, continues and escalates the killing. Where is the change? Obama is committing war crimes just like Bush.

    "Obama is doing the best he can , with the Tools he was left with!"

    Yeah, Obama has hired a bunch of the same "Tools" that Bush used to commit his war crimes. I guess he IS doing the best he can for the people that own him, but not for the people that voted for him.

    "He may never get it done, it is a mess!"

    "It" is the operative word here. What is "it" that he is really trying to accomplish? Follow the money. Follow the power behind Obama. Understand the Hegelian Dialectic. America is being played for fools. We have been subverted by international bankers. They create wars and bust the economy over and over. This is their crescendo moment in time and they are going for all the marbles. Bush and Obama are the tools of their murderous trade and we are the cannon fodder. They propose to save the world by a global tax on our very breath. They make us 'secure' by illegal wars of aggression.

    Our blood and treasure is being wasted in the name of freedom and democracy as we lose our freedoms and our Republic. Will America ever wake up to the lies or has the fluoride in the water already destroyed that possibility? It's time to get mad, people! What are we leaving for our children? When will we stop poisoning them?



    Break free of the bankster's wars. If this country is to be saved it has to come from the bottom up. Government is rotten and corrupt at the top. Change has to start at the local level. Local corruption can be exposed, routed and replaced. Go from there all the way to the top. Rinse. Repeat. my $.02.. I'm going to go pull some weeds..

    -- Posted by Third Child on Tue, Jul 7, 2009, at 5:14 PM
  • Pressman,

    Thanks for the info! I'll be sure to tune in. :)

    -- Posted by Slater on Tue, Jul 7, 2009, at 7:05 PM
  • On the bright, less argumentative side of things. I found out today the Saline Animal League has a new website.


    -- Posted by Paulie Walnuts on Tue, Jul 7, 2009, at 8:12 PM
  • The other day I replied to a question TC asked me, and in my reply I mentioned that I'm losing faith in our federal government to ever do right by the country and its people.

    I had high hopes for real, substantive change when Obama was elected. When I listened to him during the campaign, he seemed so sincere, and he sounded so different from every other politician running for high office.

    He spoke of morals and virtues, how our government had seemingly lost these qualities, and how he was intent on restoring the character of the office and its extensions.

    In the face of the worst economic collapse in 80 years he repeatedly assured us that, given time, our fortunes would improve and return to a state of "normalcy," and that those responsible would be severely dealt with.

    Our children and their children and their children and... are now saddled with the most overwhelmind debt in our history, for one reason only - it's business as usual in Washington D.C. Maybe the president DID believe he was capable of facilitating change for the better, but to me it seems more a case of someone who excels at making speeches.

    The greed merchants (criminals) have been purposely ignored by the legal arm of our government; the East Coast Cartel is above the law, free to flip us off while doing as they please. The rhetoric describing plans to create alternative sources of energy, repair the national infrastructure, secure an efficient and effective health care system, along with all the other plans appears to be nothing more than hyperbole.

    One major element contributing to my disillusionment or disenchantment is that I took too much of the campaign rhetoric to heart. I know better than to fall victim to that trick, but it happened anyway. I've wanted so much for conditions to improve, for the people of our country to have secure futures and good reason to become involved in determining who manages our nation, and how that's carried out.

    Once upon a time there was a clown college in or near Orlando, FL, operated by Ringling Brothers. It may be closed now, but the one in Washington, D.C. is open and thriving.

    -- Posted by Slater on Tue, Jul 7, 2009, at 8:19 PM
  • So, why was the article concerning the beer garden at the Saline County Fair dropped from the headlines??? Too many comments??? Seems kind of fishy it was on the front page of the paper and now it is not even on the web for viewers to see and comment on?!?!? What's the deal?!??!

    -- Posted by Farm Mom on Tue, Jul 7, 2009, at 8:20 PM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
  • Mr. Crump has said it a thousand times on here. As new stories come up, the old ones get pushed down.

    The story is still there. How about looking before typing next time?

    -- Posted by Paulie Walnuts on Tue, Jul 7, 2009, at 8:24 PM
  • I guess I will post this again since Slater decided to post another novel and it got pushed down so quickly.

    On the bright, less argumentative side of things. I found out today the Saline Animal League has a new website.


    -- Posted by Paulie Walnuts on Tue, Jul 7, 2009, at 8:26 PM
  • Mr. Walnuts,

    Heaven forbid! I have offended thee by posting my thoughts, which "pushed yours down" below the threshhold!

    I do apologize for being so wordy, but at the same time I could suggest that you get with the webmaster and see if it's feasible to give this blog a two-column width. Maybe do away with the temperature forecasts and stories in the news sections, etc., for example. :)

    -- Posted by Slater on Tue, Jul 7, 2009, at 9:38 PM
  • Short and to the point...see how it works. You actually did it! I am so proud of you.

    -- Posted by Paulie Walnuts on Tue, Jul 7, 2009, at 9:41 PM
  • ND,

    While ruminating over some of what's been going on I thought about James Davies et.al. and their study of the social conditions contributing to the violence in the African-American communities during the 1960s. During the time of rising expectations for increased prosperity and social equality the blacks were being left behind, producing what Davies termed "relative deprivation."

    Some days I almost think that Obama is unwittingly turning the tables on a good portion of America by not living up to his words.

    -- Posted by Slater on Tue, Jul 7, 2009, at 9:58 PM
  • Slater, FYI,as an airline pilot with Pan American, I was required to get a physical every six months. In 1978 at the age of 41 I was told my vision was slipping and I would need glasses to pass the next physical. When I joined PAA in 1966 by vision was 20-10 in one eye and 20-12 in the other and now it was something less than 20-20.

    I got the glasses and hated wearing them. To me, wearing glasses is like having a cast on your arm in that the muscles stop working and just get weaker so I did a lot of research on the eyes and came up with some exercises that I did every day to improve the blood flow. (I still do them every morning and sometimes in the evening). Also, I checked the nutrition eyes require and added to my vitamins, lutein, zeaxanthin and now bilberry extract along with the other vitamins, E, D and a lot of others. In a matter of a couple of weeks I was able to get rid of the glasses (still have them in a drawer) and passed every physical until I retired.

    This year, at age 72, I moved to the state of Washington and was required to take an eye test to qualify for a driver's lis. I passed with flying colors so I'd like to see you try the same stuff. I'm pretty sure it wouldn't hurt and hopefully it would help. Blood flow is crucial to good eyesight as you are well aware. Hot and cold compressing help me when I feel a slight weakening after heavy reading or such. I use two wash rags, getting one as cold as possible under the faucet and the other as hot as I can. Hold tightly against the eyes for a minute each alternating for several times. Good luck. WT

    -- Posted by White Tornado on Tue, Jul 7, 2009, at 10:32 PM
  • News,

    The claim the GOP made about Obama's lack of experience appears to have some validation so far. I've wondered if maybe he's the victim of his own making by the content of his "advisory" group. During the previous administration we saw Cheney's influence over presidential decisions, and now we seem to have a similar situation. I do believe Obama is a gifted thinker, but his "blank slate" appears to be filling with skewed advice.

    It's so disappointing, no, disgusting, that the two parties are going about their business like two bratty children who dislike one another and insist on having their way about everything. Yet, the majority of the American people are uncaring, just as long as their lives aren't affected to a discernible degree.

    Obviously, all ideas won't be embraced by all the members of the parties, primarily because those holding the seats have gotten used to thinking of themselves as being the center of the universe. I only know of one way to break that mentality, and that would be to elect new people at every election. Period. They won't set term limits for themselves, so I don't see any other choice. If you took all the ones who have made significant contributions to our country's welfare and world standing, you might have a handful, and that being the case, nothing is lost by turning over the faces at every opportunity.

    In spite of my dour thoughts I still have faith that Obama will prevail, even if it's just enough of a beginning so that people will see the benefit to climbing out of the trench and recognize the need for a new direction.

    I keep thinking about Peter with his finger in the dike.

    -- Posted by Slater on Wed, Jul 8, 2009, at 12:39 PM
  • Cheetah, in reference to your link: It may be a reach to keep the rise in global temperature to two degrees celsius, but not as big a reach as somehow going back in time to 1990 to begin the new program to do so. I know that they have fantastic hush, hush things going on in secret "guvment", especially at the Pentagon, but I had no idea that such an elaborate time machine existed. I feel better now.

    Maybe there is a t.v. series in it somewhere, that would take our minds off things.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Jul 8, 2009, at 1:57 PM
  • You guys are too optimistic for me. I think I'll go watch the movie On the Beach. :( :)

    -- Posted by Slater on Wed, Jul 8, 2009, at 2:48 PM
  • Obama's Eric Holder Admits:

    'NO EQUALITY PROTECTIONS under Hate Crime Bill '

    10 min video (29 June 2009)

    The Senate is set to vote on this horrible obamanation next week. Only 'protected' groups are covered. Christians can be attacked by hateful atheist gays and it is not a hate crime.

    This should have never passed the House but then they don't bother to read legislation these days.

    Congress has become irrelevant in their criminality. Is America just going to stand aside and let the Senate get away with voting this un-Constitutional bill in as they plan on doing?

    You better wake up and get mad, People!


    -- Posted by Third Child on Wed, Jul 8, 2009, at 3:47 PM
  • Who is going to take the three, experimental flu vaccines this fall? You might want to see this..

    Dr. Rebecca Carley: Effects of vaccines on the immune system


    -- Posted by Third Child on Wed, Jul 8, 2009, at 4:37 PM
  • "Hateful gay atheists?"

    Does anyone else out there think that maybe we're going to be in the next Sacha Baron Cohen movie?

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Wed, Jul 8, 2009, at 5:47 PM
  • Nana Dot,

    How many crimes of 'burning, dragging behind someone's truck, dismembering, or blowing up of gays in this country have you heard about' that were not fairly prosecuted by existing laws?

    -- Posted by Third Child on Wed, Jul 8, 2009, at 7:03 PM
  • 'News across' (whoever that is) is finally being honest in his Prince Philip as a deadly virus moment,


    where both express the desire that mankind should be killed off. This is twice today that news across has been honest as earlier he admits that President Obama does not make his own decisions.

    How does that square with, 'Obama the Messiah' "God bless" Obama and his lovely family?

    News across, whoever that is, still persists in the lie that CO2 is a pollutant, the same lie that Al Gore has used to make $100,000,000 profit in his carbon trading scam. This is totally ignored by mockingbird sky is falling 'news'.

    Folks, CO2 is what plants need to grow. It now composes only 4% of the planets "greenhouse gas" and it has been as much as 14% in the past 10,000 years. The world didn't end. Instead it thrived as a green paradise. Greenhouse operators pump CO2 into the greenhouse to make plants grow!

    Water vapor makes up 95% of 'greenhouse' gas. Al Gore's computer models don't really deal with this. 99% of all greenhouse gas is from these two sources. At the cost of trillions of dollars, if CO2 could be cut in half, (as the sky is falling crowd would like) we would still have 98% of the greenhouse gas we currently have and plant life on planet earth would be in serious trouble. Plants make oxygen. We eat plants. We surviWhere does that leave us?

    The global warming scam seems to actually be the eugenics, (population extermination) that Prince Philip, Henry Kissinger, Ted Turner and other elitists would like to see. They want us all dead. They want 'news across' as dead as the rest of us.. Let's all sign up for this! Don't forget to drink your fluoride and take your vaccinations because they're good for you!

    Better wake up, people..

    -- Posted by Third Child on Wed, Jul 8, 2009, at 8:05 PM
  • Nana Dot, You didn't watch the video or else you would know that AG Eric Holder couldn't answer the question either. The hate crime bill isn't about slavery or genocide of native Americans. It's about ending free speech. It's about tyranny. In canada and Great Brittan people are prosecuted for using the scientific term "homosexual". This is now hate speech. Preachers can't preach. Patriots can't criticise the government. The truth is made a thought crime.. a brave new world.. it's slavery of the mind..

    You need to get real..

    -- Posted by Third Child on Wed, Jul 8, 2009, at 8:21 PM
  • Sacha Baron Cohen? Ms. Fairchild, do I dare say it....yes. I am ROFLMAF.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Jul 8, 2009, at 11:47 PM
  • Global warming is a load of crap...nuff' said.

    -- Posted by Cheese on Thu, Jul 9, 2009, at 12:46 AM
  • You just can't trust anyone. Did you know that Mr. Ed wasn't a horse, he was a zebra.


    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Jul 9, 2009, at 2:25 AM
  • -- Posted by Gal66 on Thu, Jul 9, 2009, at 7:57 AM
  • NadaDot how many people do that 10% employe?

    Would you want them to take their jobs to another state?

    Why do so many people in this country think people sould get something for nothing?

    -- Posted by Gal66 on Thu, Jul 9, 2009, at 9:55 AM
  • The answers to my questions would be nice not just more comments!!!

    I would not have a problem with a flat tax rate.

    I just hate it when people in this country want to give out something for nothing!

    Lets look at one item on your the list from the link you posted.

    Why on earth should we as working people want to give health insurance for free to someone that does not have it?

    If someone does not have health insurance most likely they would be able to get Medicaid so there is your health care.

    I have seen figures not sure where but I will try to find them that said there are something like 18 million people eligible for Medicaid but only 11 million signed up

    -- Posted by Gal66 on Thu, Jul 9, 2009, at 11:39 AM
  • Gal 66: You evidently never had a hard time in you life? I came up a long time ago, during the depression! And if it wern't for some help from the Government, and everyone in the town and Neighborhood, i don't think me or a lot of People would have been here! So i don't care how much of my Tax Dollars goes to help People survive! I think the spending of my Dollars on War is a waste! The same with our service Men,they weren't taken care of like they should been! Hope that has changed! NO , i have no complaint if the Money is used for the welfare of the People! So i hope you never have to go through any health difficulty , like a lot of People are doing right now! I have nothing to do with Religion but i am Human and want very much to see People live a good life ,and if that means having to help with my Tax ,Thats a good thing!

    -- Posted by Jo on Thu, Jul 9, 2009, at 12:14 PM
  • Jo,

    Yes I have been in a bad position a few times in my life.

    When I was a child in north Missouri my mother was raising 5 kids as a single parent yes we did get some assistance in the form of commodities I am sure you know what they are but my mother worked 2 and sometimes 3 jobs to keep a roof over our heads.

    All of us kids did as much as we could to help out too the two oldest had jobs after school the rest of us either baby set or mowed yards to help, I mowed a lot of yards for .50 cent or a dollar.

    I started throwing papers when I was 12 so I know what it is to work.

    I don't have a problem with people get help if and when they help themselves!

    You want to talk about health problems our 16 year old daughter is a special needs child the cost of just the supplies to keep her alive would shock the hell out of most people.

    Try 27 operations in her 16 years with no help from anyone except our insurance that we work hard to pay for.

    Try $600 dollars a month for daycare.

    One or both of us have worked 2 jobs for the last 14 years.

    Yes we could get some assistance but our child's care and well being is not anyone else's responsibility it's ours.

    -- Posted by Gal66 on Thu, Jul 9, 2009, at 1:18 PM
  • Gal66-

    As far as those who don't have health insurance probably qualify Medicaid is not true. I can't afford health insurance and I make too much to qualify for Medicaid. There are over 40 million people in the US without health insurance and I'm betting most of them are in the same situation that I am.

    -- Posted by snoozes on Thu, Jul 9, 2009, at 1:19 PM
  • snoozes,

    #1 I did not say that everyone would qualify for Medicaid.

    If and only if you can not afford health insurance and you are not living above your means and have no possiable way to work a 2nd job then I would not have a problem with you being able to get some form of aid for health care.

    I am not saying this is you but I have a real problem when I go to the Dr. and I see someone that is not paying for their health care and they have a body full of tatoos and pericings or are driving a brand new car or a big SUV and you hear them talking about their day and it's laying around watching TV all day and partying all night to me that is BS.

    -- Posted by Gal66 on Thu, Jul 9, 2009, at 1:45 PM
  • news across who owns the companys for the most part?

    -- Posted by Gal66 on Thu, Jul 9, 2009, at 2:07 PM
  • I personally feel any person applying for 'government assistance' (i.e. medical/food stamps/housing/etc.) should be required to pass a random drug screening. If you can afford drugs then you can afford your own bills and children.

    As an uninsured American, I hope we can get some sort of reasonable heath care in this country.

    -- Posted by Scarpetta on Thu, Jul 9, 2009, at 3:29 PM
  • I do not mean drugs that are needed by a person who was given them by a doctor. I mean the stuff that is illegal and will land your bum in jail. If you can afford to buy illegal drugs, then my tax dollars should not be paying for you to sit on your bum and do drugs.

    I am not saying those with an addiction problem don't need help, maybe they should take the rehab offered to them. Yes I realize addiction is a medical condition, I also realize ignorance should be as well...it is not an excuse for soaking off the system...that the system allows.

    Besides it would also help identify these people that need help to get off drugs.

    -- Posted by Scarpetta on Thu, Jul 9, 2009, at 3:52 PM
  • My use of the word 'you' was referencing those who soak of the system, if that does or does not include yourself...that I don't know or care. Although thank you for clearing your name, since I was clearly wrong in thinking I was more than clear with the context of my post.

    In addition, for the sake of clarification, I am not suggesting any thing other than the fact that persons who apply for tax payer assistance should be held to the same standards as those who seek jobs. Most jobs in this country require you to pass a simple drug test, if you can't...no job for that person.

    I guess I am focused on the people using illegal drugs, not those who have addicted themselves to a drug administered by a physician.

    No matter what you say, I will not believe it is ok for a person to spend their money on illegal drugs (i.e. meth/pot/heroin/etc) to rely on my tax dollars to feed them and their children.

    Yes you are lucky to live in a place that does not cater to those who refuse to help themselves.

    -- Posted by Scarpetta on Thu, Jul 9, 2009, at 5:13 PM
  • I'm with you 100%, Scarpetta!

    We employed tax payers pee in a cup, or even have a strand of hair tested... So should those who receive govenment assistance!

    -- Posted by nomad on Thu, Jul 9, 2009, at 5:47 PM
  • news across: I'm sure you don't need encouragement from me to please stick around, but I'm equally sure I speak for many who feel the same way.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Thu, Jul 9, 2009, at 5:51 PM
  • "the only medicine I take is to treat high cholesterol...it is prescribed by my physician

    .. thank God I live in a free Nation that has socialized medical care"

    This would be funny if it weren't so sad.

    Keep drinking the fluoride and keep telling yourself that you are living in the happiest place on earth. The gubmint is there to take care of you.. don't bother to do any research on statin drugs though.. big pharma and the military industrial complex have already done that and they wear the white coats, you know..

    Take the FREE pills and be happy.. lalalalala..

    OOPS!... by the way, the sky falling because it is full of deadly CO2! CO2 is now a deadly pollutant.. not the life giving gas that enables the plants to grow.. that was the old way of thinking and we have pills for that.. we wear the white coats.. now take your magic pills and wash them down with the freshly medicated strong teeth magic water.. remember, we wear the white coats.. We are the gubmint and we are here to help you..

    Oh, there's more.. give us your kids, your guns, your money and your freedom.. it's for your own good.. if you don't think so you must be crazy.. here.. take these magic pills.. we're from the gubmint and we're here to help you..

    -- Posted by Third Child on Thu, Jul 9, 2009, at 6:04 PM
  • So under which category does Wal-Mart fit into? They do a drug screen of all potential hires.

    So is it being suggested that people should refuse to take drug tests? Well then who on earth will provide the tax dollars to support the government assistance?

    News Across I will agree that anyone with an addiction problem should seek help, if they do that is another story. They need it, and I wish them they best. Maybe someone looking at them and saying "sorry you have to pay your own electric bill this month because you tested positive for illegal drugs" might be the kick in the bum they need to prioritize their life.

    I don't however think we (by we I mean tax paying citizens) should hold their hands while they figure that out.

    -- Posted by Scarpetta on Thu, Jul 9, 2009, at 6:10 PM
  • "and that is why its so good that I now live in a free nation where folks know their rights are worth defending."

    What are you going to defend those rights with since you Ozzies gave up your guns?

    -- Posted by Third Child on Thu, Jul 9, 2009, at 6:19 PM
  • Freedumb in Australia.

    You have a right to own gun if the government says so.. then..

    "they {you} merely contact the State Police, let them know when they {you} will be carrying the weapon, where they {you} will be carrying it, and for what purpose and they {you} are free to go about their {your} business"

    That certainly sounds free..

    Australia, the happiest fluoridated country in the world. Land of the Freed..

    -- Posted by Third Child on Thu, Jul 9, 2009, at 7:09 PM
  • Third Child, you certainly have a right to your opinion and I have agreed with you a few times on your outlook but there's no need to resort to name calling. If indeed you just called news across a name - freedumb?

    If I got this wrong, I humbly apologize. If I'm right, that puts you down on the level of some of the other name callers who post. Why not stay out of the mud?

    -- Posted by Dawson16 on Thu, Jul 9, 2009, at 7:23 PM
  • "I see you are now resorting to name calling"

    For the record: There was no name calling to anyone on this forum. The word "Freedumb" was used in a sentence. Read it again.

    -- Posted by Third Child on Thu, Jul 9, 2009, at 7:51 PM
  • Slater it always doth gladden my heart to see another post by thee.

    I would like to see more solutions posted by all rather than the endless carping criticism about everything under the sun. If those who have solutions for health care, for example, will also send those solutions to your representatives, Senators as well as POTUS perhaps, just perhaps something might be accomplished.

    One suggestion, urge the politicos to simplify, simplify, simplify.

    -- Posted by upsedaisy on Thu, Jul 9, 2009, at 8:07 PM
  • Blogger Bob Cesca has a suggestion for those who don't want a national health care system:


    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Thu, Jul 9, 2009, at 8:45 PM
  • Has anyone noticed that most the talking heads on T.V. who vehemently oppose national health care are also those who already have the best health care money can buy? Senators or wealthy TV commentators. Of course they are against it, they don't need it.

    The fact is we are already paying for it. The inequity is in the level of care someone might receive simply because of the status or non existence of an insurance policy. This is truly shameful.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Thu, Jul 9, 2009, at 8:48 PM
  • Upsedaisy, if I didn't misread your comment I would say that you've put me in my place while opening my eyes at the same time.

    I reviewed a few of my latest harangues and I see I'm guilty as charged.

    I agree that our energies could be expended in more productive ways.

    If I can possibly stir my addled brain into formulating cohesive and reasonable options to the plans on the table in Washington, I'll send them along to our esteemed legislators.

    Thank you for the plea!

    -- Posted by Slater on Thu, Jul 9, 2009, at 8:58 PM
  • I'm not sure what to think of the idea of Nationalized Health Care. I've seen the Canadian system up close and personal, and while everyone gets free care, it's not really efficient or timely, and many citizens choose to seek their own care, that they pay for themselves, in the US. On the other hand, as news across has indicated, the Austrailian system seems to work well. My biggest concern about US Nationalized Health Care isn't about taxes necessarily, it's about the ability of the government to run a program this big. Let's face it, the US government's track record on running anything in an effiecent manner is about ZERO.

    -- Posted by Reader101 on Thu, Jul 9, 2009, at 10:01 PM
  • I just read that Michael Jackson's memorial service cost Los Angeles $1.4 million! No wonder California is often in the news for nearly being out of money.

    The city has set up a website to accept donations and fans have so far donated $17,000. There's a long way to go fellas!

    -- Posted by Tori on Thu, Jul 9, 2009, at 10:10 PM
  • Subject line:

    Some of you people should learn to read.

    Message: If the shoe fits then who am I to rain on this pious little pity party. If anyone thinks I was specifically calling them dumb, then fine... sue me..

    The message of contention:

    Subject line:

    Freedumb in Australia.


    {In Australia} You have a right to own {a} gun if the government says so.. then..

    "they {you} merely contact the State Police, let them know when they {you} will be carrying the weapon, where they {you} will be carrying it, and for what purpose and they {you} are free to go about their {your} business"

    That certainly sounds free..

    Australia, the happiest fluoridated country in the world. Land of the Freed.. {criminals}

    {Home of the Slave}

    -- Posted by Third Child on Thu, Jul 9, 2009, at 10:55 PM
  • Gal66: It's a good thing you do , But it shouldn't be that way! No one should have that burden! What happens when your gone, or disabled! There is a lot of People in those circumstance's ! The Bootstrap thing is fine, but not feasible for some! But i congratulate you on your efforts!!

    -- Posted by Jo on Thu, Jul 9, 2009, at 11:13 PM
  • Ok,

    Maybe we are asking the wrong questions. Instead of how will we pay for healthcare, maybe we should be asking why is it so @#$!*!@ expensive in the first place? Lobbyists? Lawyers and possibly the dire need of real tort reform?

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Thu, Jul 9, 2009, at 11:20 PM
  • Third Child,

    I think the use of "child" in your screen name is delicious irony.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Thu, Jul 9, 2009, at 11:21 PM
  • So I called Ike Skelton's office the other day and asked how he could vote on a 1200 to 1500 page Cap and Tax bill that is going to severely affect the country when he really didn't have time to read, let alone understand what was in the bill?

    The nice lady answering the phone had an answer.

    She said I probably wouldn't accept the explanation but she said the pages had wide margins and the text was large font. She was right, I didn't accept the explanation. My consolation prize is that I expect that I will be getting a personal facsimily of a letter from Mr. Skelton himself explaining his reading comprehension skills. I hope I can find a suitable picture frame because this one has got to be a keeper..

    -- Posted by Third Child on Thu, Jul 9, 2009, at 11:37 PM
  • Democratic Leader Laughs at Idea That House Members Would Actually Read Health-Care Bill Before Voting On It


    House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D.-Md.) Washington (CNSNews.com) - House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) said Tuesday that the health-care reform bill now pending in Congress would garner very few votes if lawmakers actually had to read the entire bill before voting on it.

    "If every member pledged to not vote for it if they hadn't read it in its entirety, I think we would have very few votes," Hoyer told CNSNews.com at his regular weekly news conference..

    -- Posted by Third Child on Thu, Jul 9, 2009, at 11:55 PM
  • I believe one would have to be an idiot to believe that all 219 elected representatives read and understood the bill that they lined up like sheep and voted for. 330 pages were added at 3:00 AM the morning of the vote, to an already 1200 page bill. They could not have actually understood the bill because if they had they would have known that the science of CO2 temperature forcing is far from settled and that hobbling our country's economy further with the Cap and Tax scheme that Al Gore and others will reap billions from is an act of treason to the very people that elected them.

    The vote, again proves the corruption in politics, where financial interest of a few over-ride the Constitutional interest of a nation, effectively making a joke of the election process.

    Congress can be better described as the Prostitutes on the Potomac..

    -- Posted by Third Child on Fri, Jul 10, 2009, at 9:44 AM
  • Poster, "What the f......" wrote:

    "Third Child, I think the use of "child" in your screen name is delicious irony."

    Ok,.. and I believe the choice of *your* screen name is a vulgar affront to polite society and even though I believe in free speech, I believe it would be an acceptable editorial decision to remove it from the pages of this public forum.

    -- Posted by Third Child on Fri, Jul 10, 2009, at 9:57 AM
  • Nana Dot, you posted a link to the composition of the "ATMOSPHERE" when we were discussing the composition of the so called greenhouse gasses.

    Are you aware that these are two different things?

    -- Posted by Third Child on Fri, Jul 10, 2009, at 10:04 AM
  • First off to all the people that don't like long posts sorry for the book but I want to do my best to answer all the questions.

    Jo said:

    Gal66: It's a good thing you do, but it shouldn't be that way! No one should have that burden! What happens when you're gone, or disabled! There are a lot of People in those circumstances! The Bootstrap thing is fine, but not feasible for some! But I congratulate you on your efforts!!

    Jo I really do think we should take care of our own.

    The topic of being gone or disabled has been a burden that has been very heavy for us we have given a lot of thought to placing her in a non state run home when something happens to us with our life insurance she will be well taken care of, now if we became disabled then yes we would have to depend on the state for help we would not be happy about it but we would do what we have to do.

    NanaDot said

    Gal66 - and what are you going to do when that child turns 18, and your insurance won't cover her anymore? Is she worth less care?

    No she is not worth less care and she will not get less care.

    With any luck the major expenses are over and our insurance does not cover expendables very well at all anyway.

    Other than that we will be paying out of our own pocket.

    Newsacross said: There is an old African folk-saying that I think remains true, "it takes an entire village to raise a child."

    I do not have a problem with that.

    The welfare and well-being of all children are all our responsibility.

    I am sorry I do not agree with this the welfare and well-being are the responsibility of the parents.

    Now don't get me wrong I know when something happens with parents say drugs then there are ways to help but it's not giving that parent more money to by more drugs with.

    -- Posted by Gal66 on Fri, Jul 10, 2009, at 10:17 AM
  • Third "Child",

    You are entitled to your opinion as am I. The arguement over my screenname was waged ad nauseum sometime ago. Any vulgarity is in your head, not mine. Speaking of irony, you believe in free speech but would advocate the censorship of my screen name. Delicious irony, indeed.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, Jul 10, 2009, at 11:43 AM
  • Changing the subject... Has anyone else's house been reassessed/reappraised or whatever the City of Marshall calls it? My parent's went up over 25%, on a fixed income. They have lived in their home less than five years and it has changed three times. No improvements have been made, explain this to me.

    I thought the real estate market was DOWN! Prices haven't gone up.

    -- Posted by writerintraining on Fri, Jul 10, 2009, at 11:46 AM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    We have a story today on this subject. Just posted:


  • "I thought the real estate market was DOWN! Prices haven't gone up."

    You can thank Wall Street for this.

    The banker's engineered collapse robs the whole community. Revenues are down, taxes go up. Get used to it because this is only the beginning of worse to come if America doesn't wake up.

    The Federal Reserve is no more federal than Federal Express. It is privately owned by foreign banks and others. Willie Nelson sings, 'they're not your friend..'

    Welcome to the new world order, folks.. Your country is being hijacked by globalist bankers. The old robber barrons never went away. They just became bankers. They became dealers in death and war and we the cannon fodder. They are licking their chops. A dollar is now worth .04 cents since the Federal Reserve was set up. Depressions are engineered.

    This one is the big cahoona. It's designed to usher in the global government beast system. It will be total control. You will pay carbon tax for breathing to the international banks. They are pulling the rug out and plundering the country. The control grid is in. We're wild pigs that have been trained to go into a pen. We've become accustomed to our slavery. The gates are closing, folks.. It's time for people to decide if they are going to be a slave or take a shot at the gate?

    Time to decide...

    -- Posted by Third Child on Fri, Jul 10, 2009, at 1:24 PM
  • Not only has the reassessed thing come at a bad time, minimum wage will be going up on July 24, 2009. Prepare to see prices driven higher and more people in line for help. With sales down, employers can't afford the additional payroll...hours will be cut back and jobs will be lost.

    -- Posted by Scarpetta on Fri, Jul 10, 2009, at 1:42 PM
  • Sydney Stonner just did a blog about getting rid of her plastic water bottle. Not everyone knows that all the plastic we have been trained to ingest is killing us. Just one poison in the midst of many.

    Why aren't things like this on the front page?


    -- Posted by Third Child on Fri, Jul 10, 2009, at 1:44 PM
  • Back in early grade school, my future wife lived across from the old Fair Grounds, when the circus came to town. She skipped school that day so she could watch from her front yard as the tent and booths were erected. It's one of her fond memories.

    -- Posted by Nonnymus on Fri, Jul 10, 2009, at 3:52 PM
  • I think whoever is responsible for the continued addition of fluoride to the water supplies of this country should be held accountable for the crimes against humanity they are guilty of. Mass dosing the drinking water is one of the dumbest ideas ever hatched. The proof is out there. Veterinary studies also show the myths of vaccines because so many dogs are dying from the vaccinations. What does it take for people to understand that they are under chemical and biological attack? What will it take to be informed to get mad enough to stop these criminals?? Only after their dog dies?



    Fluoride in naturally or artificially fluoridated water has been linked with osteosarcoma in young boys and teenagers less than 20 years of age (NRC 2006). Osteosarcoma accounts for about 3% of all childhood cancers, and occurs with an incidence of 0.3 cases per 100,000, more commonly in boys than in girls (NRC 2006). While rare, this cancer is deadly -- the 5-year mortality rate is around 50%, and nearly all survivors have limbs amputated, usually legs. Similar to young boys, dogs are well known to be at risk from osteosarcoma (Ru 1998).

    Three factors likely contribute to fluoride's ability to produce bone cancer: fluoride accumulates in the bones (NRC 2006); fluoride is an active mitogen (a substance that stimulates cell division) that causes a rapid proliferation of bone-building cells known as osteoblasts (Gruber 1991; Kleerekoper 1996; Whitford 1996); fluoride's cancer-promoting effects are especially significant in young boys whose bones grow more rapidly than for any other group (Bassin 2006).

    The science supporting the link between fluoride and bone cancer in boys is compelling, and includes 3 focused epidemiological studies (Bassin 2006; Cohn 1992; DHHS 1991), 2 long-term animal studies (Maurer 1991; Maurer 1993; NTP 1990), a wealth of mechanistic information on the effect of fluoride on the developing bone (reviewed in NRC 2006), and a new study published in 2009 that detected higher fluoride levels in osteosarcoma patients compared to 2 other groups: patients with bone-forming tumors other than osteosarcoma, and people serving as "controls" in the study who were experiencing musculo-skeletal pain but did not have tumors (Sandhu 2009).

    -- Posted by Third Child on Fri, Jul 10, 2009, at 4:33 PM
  • "it has been the hated environmentalists who have been telling us about this stuff for years.."

    The enviornmentalist movement has been hijacked by Al Gore and others who lie that polar bears are drowning because of CO2. Gore has been proven in court to be a fraud and a charlatan but people want to believe anything that tugs at their little green heart strings.

    Even if CO2 was proven to force temperatures, which the opposite is true, man's contribution of CO2 is miniscule. The overall contribution can hardly be measured. If we cut *all* of that out at great expense, it would make no significant difference in the overall composition of greenhouse gas.

    CO2 lags temperature rise and Al Gore's charts are calculated misinformation at the least. Global warming caused by humans is a false enviornmental issue at the same time the real enviornmental issue is that we are really under mass chemical and biological attacks from many quarters . A purge of useless eaters is being waged as we all ignore that big ol' fireball in the sky that is the cause of all global warming and parrot the lies and disinformation of those that seek to rule the world and make us their slaves.

    Trash in the ocean is a bad thing and that needs to be fixed but it isn't going to matter if we're all dead from cancer, diabetes and a myraid other things caused by the pollution we willingly/unwittingly put into our bodies.

    Wake up folks, we're running out of time to correct this.. Your children deserve better.. your dog deserves better.. if America doesn't come together now to put a stop to this scientific dictatorship unfolding before our very eyes, our children will have every right to hate us for our ignorance and apathy. There is still time, but not much..

    The first step is to admit the problem.. the lies.. the ruling elite are eugenicists and we are the useless eaters.. don't believe me, it's documented..

    -- Posted by Third Child on Fri, Jul 10, 2009, at 5:18 PM
  • "never mind - i take it back"

    You can't take it back. You have been served the red pill and the only real choice you have is to continue down the rabbit hole. You know that you are being lied to. Greed and power is making their final move to control the earth. Lock, stock and barrel. Some people will accept slavery but I don't think you are one.

    -- Posted by Third Child on Fri, Jul 10, 2009, at 5:39 PM
  • News Across,

    Mea culpa on the post office & military. Although the USPS did just have another rate hike recently, and is talking about dropping a day of mail service to try and stay out of the red.

    But I do still think that there is too much politics in government for the government to effectively and efficiently run a program of the size and scope of Nationalized Health Care. I'm afraid there would end up being to much wasteful spending which equals higher costs. I'm certainly not saying I'm satisfied with the current system, just not sure about going to Nationalized.

    Personally, I liked John Edwards position on health care reform, which was to pass legislation requiring health insurance companies to spend 87 percent of monies collected in premiums on payment of benefits. Meaning that adminstrative costs and costs of doing business could not be more than 13 cents of every dollar paid in premiums. Insurance companies would soon be sitting on large sums of money that they could not access for salaries, perks, lobbiests, etc. And with the threat of having to pay taxes on that money, the premiums would decrease, making health insurance more affordable for everyone.

    -- Posted by Reader101 on Fri, Jul 10, 2009, at 6:57 PM
  • WonderJim, do these lizards also smoke marijuana?

    -- Posted by Slater on Sat, Jul 11, 2009, at 12:31 AM
  • Stach Keach.

    -- Posted by Slater on Sat, Jul 11, 2009, at 1:08 AM
  • Stacy Keach, or maybe Jack Nicholson. Also Dennis Hopper and Captain America.

    -- Posted by Slater on Sat, Jul 11, 2009, at 1:10 AM
  • WonderJim, your neighbors are probably using weed for medicinal purposes. I wouldn't fret over it, unless they start throwing the butts into your yard.

    -- Posted by Slater on Sat, Jul 11, 2009, at 1:11 AM
  • news across ... i'm kind of worried about you with the bunny post, lol.

    -- Posted by aikman8 on Sat, Jul 11, 2009, at 1:14 AM
  • News, after all, he IS living in the 3rd happiest country on the planet.

    I built my cat a two-story condo, complete with separate facility room, but she still prefers the foot of my bed.

    -- Posted by Slater on Sat, Jul 11, 2009, at 1:18 AM
  • WonderJim, those links are quite interesting, and serve as a reminder.

    You know, when Gov. Sanford was offering his uninspired and insincere explanation for his irrational behavior, I noticed something very queer about him, or more specifically, AROUND him, and now, after reviewing those links, I know what it was:

    SCALES!!!!!! Scales were sloughing off of him!

    -- Posted by Slater on Sat, Jul 11, 2009, at 1:41 AM
  • Way to go Waverly!!

    Your Civil War History Festival on June 27 & 28th was absolutely fabulous! Your small community really came together, and my thanks to all who helped and gave their support: the Waverly Arts Council; Mayor Barbara; John Hinz; all the ladies I met and talked to (you know who you are); those who prepared and served the great meals at the firehouse, at the church, and for the Shelby family members; the participants in the re-inactment battles; the venders; Mark Alley; those who drove the carts and wagons; those who provided water; those who donated during 26 years to see the completion of the magnificent General Jo Shelby statue; the speakers who bravely withstood the intense heat at the statue dedication; the librarian who trusted me with that book [which I did pay for, by the way :)]; everyone who came - locally and from several different states - to see your local history unveiled... (sorry if I left anyone out)

    I felt like a celebrity and was given VIP treatment. I was never so proud to "share" my

    heritage of being related to General Jo.

    I will always remember the two days that we shared together. :)



    Susan Shelby

    -- Posted by Susan Shelby in WA state on Sat, Jul 11, 2009, at 2:31 AM
  • WonderJim: While reading the "watcher" link you provided, specifically the lengthy list of U.S. Senators that are Reptilians, aliens or otherwise subverted, I noticed the absence of those two creatures from Oklahoma, Jim Inhofe, and Tom Coburn.

    They are considered by many to be the looniest of Senators. Few others were absent the list. That leads me to believe that this alien takeover thing that you promote might not be all that bad. In fact I would exchange those two for scaled shapeshifters or about any other alien in a heart beat.

    I am interested to see where you are going to go with your schtick. It is fresh, funny, and has possibilties....of what I am not sure.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Jul 11, 2009, at 2:42 AM
  • I just noticed, after mentioning bone cancer from fluoridated water on Sydney Stonner's blog about the dangers of bisphenal A plastics that's in everything you eat or drink out of these days, that I'm getting personalized google ads relating to bone cancer treatments on the left side of the front page. The marvels of the information age.. they won't tell you what causes cancer but they are quick to take your last dollar to treat it..

    If anyone cares about their health and that of their children they should go to Sydney's blog and talk about it.


    PS: Do not heat up plastic containers in the microwave! It is very harmfull to your health! Something General Electric has neglected to tell you..

    -- Posted by Third Child on Sat, Jul 11, 2009, at 10:05 AM
  • ya know this fluoride thing was voted in....and could be voted OUT!!

    -- Posted by marshallite on Sat, Jul 11, 2009, at 11:08 AM
  • "I'm not saying your water isn't contaminated, TC. In fact, I think most would concur it obviously is. I just don't believe flouride is the culprit."

    Can you please explain the point you are trying to make here?

    -- Posted by Third Child on Sat, Jul 11, 2009, at 12:35 PM
  • "ya know this fluoride thing was voted in....and could be voted OUT!!"

    Most places it isn't voted in. It's just a policy handed down from on high and enacted by local bureaucrats that don't know much about this toxic waste. Dosing the entire population by way of the public water supply, even if it was not toxic, has got to be the dumbest 'health' idea ever devised and those responsible for the continued use of this toxic chemical should be held accountable for their actions.

    The public can put a stop to this but first they have to be made aware of what is really going on. The science is in. We are chemically dumbing down the populace and giving ourselves cancer and a whole lot more by following the old outdated dogma that this rat poison is good for teeth.

    Whoever is responsible for this going in the water needs to be put on the spot. The next family that has a child with bone cancer should sue the hell out of somebody..

    -- Posted by Third Child on Sat, Jul 11, 2009, at 12:59 PM
  • http://www.holisticmed.com/fluoride/ for more information on the dangers and side effects of fluoride in water.

    -- Posted by riclin1 on Sat, Jul 11, 2009, at 10:31 PM
  • Here's my two cents on fluoride...

    I grew up on well water that had to be "softened." That left a lot of sodium in the water. I got a lot of cavities all the time. Once when I was young I had 9 cavities in six months and that was with brushing.

    Now as an adult I get "city" water in the country. I have not had a cavitity in the last six years. I'm just thrilled to have a benefit such as fluoride in my water.

    Plus I didn't get to vote on the water treatment because our water district just purchases water from Marshall. But I would love to have an opportunity to vote FOR fluoride in the water.

    -- Posted by salinemg on Sun, Jul 12, 2009, at 5:24 PM
  • I know news across, I hope they have those cake ones with the brown sugar frosting...yummmmmmm!!

    -- Posted by Scarpetta on Sun, Jul 12, 2009, at 9:57 PM
  • I've gained 3 pounds just from thinking about them! :)

    -- Posted by Slater on Sun, Jul 12, 2009, at 10:08 PM
  • "I like fluoride! I like the lemony/minty fresh flavor it adds to the water...and my teeth are pearly white. What more could a fella want"

    YUM Yum good fluoride, huh? It's odorless and tasteless. It lowers IQ so I guess you might think it taste good as well as makes your teeth white, both of which are wrong.

    'News' why don't you provide some proof that backs up your 2 cents worth of propaganda. Show us the scientific evidence that you have based your opinion that toxic waste sodium fluoride added to the water is good for anything more than dumbing down and making the population docile.

    Hitler and Stalin, both used fluoride in the prison camps to make their prisoners dumb and docile. You probably think he did it to make their teeth strong and pearly white. Keep drinking that death camp koolaid and keep pushing your case for Marxist socialism, gun control, forced chemotherapy, eugenics...what else? What am I leaving out? I've lost track because I mostly try to ignore you.. Please fill in the blanks of all your promotions. We'll start a list..

    To those that don't think everything is a joke..

    New Study Proves Thimerosal Induces Autism-like Neurotoxicity


    Excerpt of abstract of new scientific study proving that the mercurial compound used as vaccine preservative called 'thimerosal' induces neural damage similar to that seen in autism patients:

    Thimerosal-induced cellular damage as evidenced by concentration- and time-dependent mitochondrial damage, reduced oxidative-reduction activity, cellular degeneration, and cell death in the in vitro human neuronal and fetal model systems studied. Thimerosal at low nanomolar (nM) concentrations induced significant cellular toxicity in human neuronal and fetal cells. Thimerosal-induced cytoxicity is similar to that observed in AD pathophysiologic studies. Thimerosal was found to be significantly more toxic than the other metal compounds examined

    -- Posted by Third Child on Sun, Jul 12, 2009, at 11:03 PM
  • "as an adult I get "city" water in the country. I have not had a cavitity in the last six years. I'm just thrilled to have a benefit such as fluoride in my water."

    #6:Fluoride Proven Ineffective: "This study showed, once and for all, that fluoridation of the U.S. water supply was worthless, at best."

    Fluoride compounds in water and in supplements do not provide any significant cavity-protecting effects. All of the recent large-scale studies of water fluoridation have shown that there are no positive effects.


    That is why countries without fluoridation have shown an equal improvement in dental health as those with fluoridation. (See Research Item #5.) There is scientific evidence that excessive fluoride exposure leads to increased levels of caries. Even pro-fluoridation scientists admit that there is not any properly-conducted research showing that fluoride supplements help prevent cavities

    -- Posted by Third Child on Sun, Jul 12, 2009, at 11:18 PM
  • 'News', You never answered the question of the basis for your "essay" on the supposed benefits of sodium fluoride in the water. You are advocating this death camp koolaid for everyone else so state *your* name and qualifications first, please.. the parents of children with bone cancer will probably be wanting to meet you when you come to Marshall for your powdered donuts.

    -- Posted by Third Child on Mon, Jul 13, 2009, at 7:28 AM
  • 'News',

    The article is documented and referenced. It proves the fallacies of your anonymous and uneducated opinions. Did you even bother to read it?

    Here's a hint. Read it and *then* make your comments on its veracity.

    The issue still remains for you to provide evidence and reference for your stated positions on fluoride. Why should the masses be force medicated with a known carcinogen that doesn't even improve dental health? Just how stupid is that??

    The onus is on YOU to *make the case for* fluoride. Please start by stating your name and qualifications.

    -- Posted by Third Child on Mon, Jul 13, 2009, at 10:00 AM
  • "The population of the world is under sustained biological assault and the vast majority of people have no idea that it is happening. This goes above and beyond any debate about whether there are too many people on the planet. This shatters any acceptable notion of human rights as outlined in the Nuremberg code, which clearly states that, "The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential," in any form of human experimentation, and yet the population is being mass medicated and mass sterilized not only against its will but completely in the dark.

    We are being biologically attacked by hardcore totalitarian eugenicists hell-bent on forcibly reducing the global population who have publicly announced their plans for an 80 per cent plus population reduction program. The legacy of these megalomaniacs is born out of class racism, fascist thinking and a bloodlust to dominate and enslave the planet -- they couldn't give a #### bout the environment, this is all about eliminating the "useless eaters," as they see us.

    They have openly outlined their plans to commit mass genocide and we are now seeing the first wave of that attack via the poisons in our water that are making us infertile."

    RELATED: The Population Reduction Agenda For Dummies

    RELATED: Obama Science Advisor Called For "Planetary Regime" To Enforce Totalitarian Population Control Measures


    -- Posted by Third Child on Mon, Jul 13, 2009, at 12:43 PM
  • NanaDot,

    I am far from uneducated but what does "certainly differently" mean??? Have I missed something?

    -- Posted by i'mback/didyoumissme on Mon, Jul 13, 2009, at 2:37 PM
  • Do you own more than three cats? Are you feeding some neighborhood strays. If you are feeding more than three animals everyday, you are in violation of Marshall's animal control ordinance. And the City of Marshall can and will take you to court.

    If you think that is unfair, contact your city council representative or come to the next meeting on July 20 at 5:15 pm.

    -- Posted by raysfan on Mon, Jul 13, 2009, at 2:53 PM
  • I am curious about a couple of things --

    "feeding a couple of strays" If you begin feeding the cats, aren't you "assuming" some care of them? Then they would no longer be "strays"?

    What happened to the dog on the corner of Morrow? Is he still there? His little house has been empty the past several times I've been by....

    Just curious.

    -- Posted by missy08 on Mon, Jul 13, 2009, at 3:22 PM
  • If you own a cat it should be made to stay in your own fenced yard or on a leash just like a dog. If found unattended it should be picked up and nuttered or put to sleep.

    -- Posted by waterman7622 on Mon, Jul 13, 2009, at 3:30 PM
  • "If you own a cat it should be made to stay in your own fenced yard or on a leash just like a dog. If found unattended it should be picked up and nuttered or put to sleep." By Waterman7622

    Yes its comments like this that help any problem? People like Waterman7622 have one way of thinking "Kill it to fix the problem" Hmm can anyone remember someone in history that started this way? Wait could it be a ever so evil German dictator? Death is never a way to solve a problem and killing animal simply because there "Stray" or running around is wrong.

    This way of thinking has to stop or we will all suffur in the end.

    Waterman7622 maybe if your not in your yard or your just out running around you should be picked up and neutered so that this backward way of thinking ends with you and your kind.

    -- Posted by Selmac8 on Mon, Jul 13, 2009, at 4:14 PM
  • Third Child: You're asking news across to state his/her name and qualifications. You have posted here for months anonymously and supplied seemingly endless quantities of "information," none of it including your name. If you want news across to supply identifying information, how about you go first?

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Mon, Jul 13, 2009, at 4:21 PM
  • Third Child,

    One more thing. WE GET IT ALREADY!

    Seriously, you should think about starting your own blog or website so that you may state your views there instead of constantly subjecting everyone here to your incessant bloviation of conspiritorial pablum.

    Once again, WE GET IT ALREADY!

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Mon, Jul 13, 2009, at 4:34 PM
  • "You may cite one of Alex Jones' links, (which is good) but Jones' INTERPRETATION of the data is often just inflammatory BS because he, like Limbaugh, gets better ratings the more outrageous he sounds."

    Nana Dot, Alex Jones has been making outrageous statements on air for 14 years of live broadcasts. There are thousands of hours of recorded airtime.

    Presently he broadcast 22hrs a week on his own show and has a very full schedule on many other venues including television. He's huge on youtube.

    He has made dozens of documentaries and gives them away for free download on the internet. He has written books. It's all researched and documented. It's all a study of geopolitical history and the documents that prove it.

    You make vague accusations without giving any details. Choose an issue on something Alex has talked about and challenge it to prove your point. There is so much to choose from it ought to be a piece of cake!

    Today's 4 hr. Alex Jones broadcast available for free download at


    "Alex welcomes back to the show film producer, lecturer, and author of the definitive book on the Fed, The Creature from Jekyll Island: A Second Look at the Federal Reserve, G. Edward Griffin. Alex also talks with Prison Planet editor and journalist, Paul Joseph Watson, about Obama's "Science Czar," John Holdren, who advocates forced abortion and eugenics, and Manny Badillo of WeAreChange New York. Badillo's uncle, Joseph Sgroi, was killed while working at the World Trade Center on September 11, 2001. Alex discusses the news of the day and takes your calls."

    -- Posted by Third Child on Mon, Jul 13, 2009, at 5:44 PM
  • Selmac8

    I'm nutered and I do stay at home.

    -- Posted by waterman7622 on Mon, Jul 13, 2009, at 6:02 PM
  • Why does the phrase ad nauseam keep popping into my head? For the life of me I can't figure out what is triggering it.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Jul 13, 2009, at 6:13 PM
  • "You're asking news across to state his/her name and qualifications."

    That's right, it's my opinion that anyone that wants to poison the water of others needs to stand up and 'own' what he's preaching. The public has a right to know who wants to kill their children. Wouldn't you agree?

    "You have posted here for months anonymously and supplied seemingly endless quantities of "information," none of it including your name."

    As long as I do not advocate the poisoning of your children, the taxing of your CO2 footprint, your breath, or the restriction of your constitutional rights and God given freedoms, then who I am is largely irrelevant. It really doesn't matter. The information I have posted speaks for itself, it's hyperlinked to a source. You can choose to either accept it or reject it and the community is no worse off than they were to begin with. They either learn something or return to the 'safe' news of Michael Jackson.. or literally, bread and circus, as has been the recent headlines.

    That's the difference between 'news across' and myself but my identity is not entirely a secret anyway.

    My first post to the MDN exposed my identity and of course individuals on the staff there have access to that information. Are you saying that you have not looked it up?

    -- Posted by Third Child on Mon, Jul 13, 2009, at 6:16 PM
  • 'News' is it too difficult for you to read the information you are worried about and click on a hyperlink or do a simple search of one of the references provided? It's made very simple for you. Try that if you want answers and please dispense with all this tired ad hominem and strawman argumentation.

    As I asked Nana Dot to do, pick a particular subject that you don't agree with and make your opposing argument. Then I'll respond. It's called communication..

    -- Posted by Third Child on Mon, Jul 13, 2009, at 6:29 PM
  • I'm laughing, OKR. :) Some things are just mind-boggling, yes?

    -- Posted by Slater on Mon, Jul 13, 2009, at 6:35 PM
  • I've written about this before. Kansas is begging for a foot and mouth bioweapons lab to be put in the middle of cattle country. Government bureaucrats and greedy people in power are absolutely insane..

    Kansas officials remained confident Monday that a new federal biosecurity lab will be built in their state, despite apparent attempts to delay construction or block funding.

    TOPEKA, Kan. (AP) -The National Bio and Agro-Defense Facility would be built at Kansas State University and research livestock diseases and other biological threats. Some critics of the estimated $650 million lab question whether it can safely handle pathogens such as the highly contagious foot-and-mouth disease.


    -- Posted by Third Child on Mon, Jul 13, 2009, at 6:44 PM
  • OKR, I answered your question but I see it's been removed.

    -- Posted by Third Child on Mon, Jul 13, 2009, at 6:47 PM
  • Some folks here on "Speak out" have a "The sky is falling" mentality. Perhaps, they could take a deep breath and prepare a list of their greatest concerns. The news about plastic leaching into beverages and food has been out there for quite awhile. You can use canning jars, which conveniently come in quarts, pints, half pints to store leftovers (until you clean out the refrigerator:}

    Some minds are firmly closed. Remember Ike said not to get down to argue w/someone. They'll pull you down to their level and beat you every time.

    With the tenor of some of these screeds, it might be a good idea to maintain our screen identities. Never know when someone might come along and "nutter" the person who questioned "the latest" conspiracy theory.

    I feel a great sadness that 15 young Americans were killed last week in defense of our country.

    -- Posted by upsedaisy on Mon, Jul 13, 2009, at 9:18 PM
  • Amen upsedaisy. Must we always be at war?

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Jul 13, 2009, at 10:06 PM
  • TC: Does that make you my Third Child twice removed? Relationships surely can get sticky.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Jul 13, 2009, at 10:12 PM
  • This comment was originally posted under the story with the headline "Past its prime: 127 year old home on Eastwood Street slated to be razed". following the story there is an interesting ongoing discussion regarding the scheduled razing, and what many believe to be viable alternatives to the destruction. In my opinion what eventually transpires in this situation will say a lot about Marshall in general, and the Eastwood area in particular.

    I've been thinking about this for some time, so I think I'll just go ahead, and say it.

    There is a lot of money stuffed in the mattresses along Eastwood Street. It would take only a little from each of the moneyed neighbors to "this old house" to put it right again, and preserve the integrity of what has historically been "the best street in Marshall".

    Or they can continue their quiescense, reacting no differently than poor neighbors in a declining neighborhood, with the same result, a concrete slab making the statement we don't give a ****.

    In a way, East Eastwood is the successful smile presented to visitors passing through our fair city. That smile will be missing a front tooth, an unneccessary ugly gap, should the property not be restored. Oh I know, somebody will buy the lot, and put a McMansion on it. Not the same, that big smile will then have, so to speak, a gold tooth with a diamond in it. That will not further the image that Eastwood projects. For all I know someone with influence is already pulling strings to get their hands on the property, and do just that.

    It would really be nice to see the affluent neighborhood put its money where its mouth is, and assure preservation. Whatever transpires will reveal a lot about the current mood, status,and significance of the neighborhood.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Jul 13, 2009, at 11:11 PM

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Jul 13, 2009, at 11:32 PM
  • Some folks here on "Speak Out" have a slave mentality. Some believe that they are responsible for variations in the natural weather because a politician that stands to make billions off their collectivist guilt told them so. It doesn't matter that many of the politician's "facts" have been proven false. It just doesn't seem to matter.. we want to believe we are that pivital on the earth's balance. It's kinda empowering.

    Mental processes have been systematically attacked by chemical, biological, psychological and sociological tinkering and reality and truth have become objects to fear and avoid. It's much safer to take direction from duly authorized shepards and the perfectly quaffed informatrons of the mainstream military industrial petrochemical broadcasting networks every night at five and ten. If we see it on the news it's got to be true. Case closed..

    And, remember, it is always better to remain anonymous so as to mask our lies and lack of personal responsibility for our children's futures. That death camp koolaid is mighty refreshing, eh? It's kinda minty! What the heck, no one is going to live forever anyway, right?

    -- Posted by Third Child on Mon, Jul 13, 2009, at 11:50 PM
  • What to do with those plastic bags that grow into huge piles from which we avert our gaze:


    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Jul 14, 2009, at 1:25 AM
  • "Once again, WE GET IT ALREADY!"

    I don't believe this is true. If you really 'get it' your attitude would be a lot different. All the aggression being displayed here against basic information underscores an underlying fear and resistance to knowledge that counters a belief system built upon authoritorian indoctrinations and false dogmas.

    What is it that you get? Do you actually understand that the entire population is under chemical, biological and economic attack by a diabolic bunch of elitist eugenicists, bent on eliminating 90% of us useless eaters leaving only enough automatrons to serve their elitist needs as they control the earth under an engineered scientific dictatorship? Is that what you're saying? You actually understand that and nothing more needs to be said?

    Well if you 'get' that, then what are you doing about it? Are you standing up and making your voice be heard in demanding that the local bureaucrats cease and desist poisoning the local water supply, hence your children and granchildren? No? You just want to go back to sleep and believe the years of lies and propaganda that have been shoved down our throats for the last fifty years? Are we already so brain damaged that normal rational reaction against this chemical and physical assault is mentally and psychologically impossible? Is this the end of mankind's natural instinct for survival? Are our facilities already so destroyed that we are incapable of resisting or is there still a glimmer of hope that males that pretend to be men will stand up and defend the very survival of the species? Maybe it will have to come from the women as maternal instinct comes to fore as the men are misdirected by aggressive war games and personal puffery? Whatever and wherever it come from its got to start somewhere and if you 'get' it you will understand what you need to do. Stop dragging your feet and hitch yourself up to manhood's natural yoke of defending the species. Time is running out and your children's futures are on the line. You get it, what are you going to do about it?

    -- Posted by Third Child on Tue, Jul 14, 2009, at 9:51 AM
  • Third Child,

    Like I said. We get it already. Yes, I do understand what you are saying and the point is not whether I agree with you or not. The point is that you are systematically trying to take over this blog with YOUR AGENDA.

    You asked me what I'm doing about it.

    What are you doing about it?

    Is this it? Just an endless parade of rambling manifesto's on this blog? Tell me what, if anything you really expect that to accomplish?. You seem to be the one exploding with concern and knowledge about the situation so why don't you take charge? Why havn't you started your own website or PAC and started raising funds to finance a lobby in support of your position?

    You might as well quit ingesting anything into your body because apparently it everything gives us cancer.

    I think we would be better off if we continued to fund research for a cure for cancer instead of constantly stressing over any conceivable substance that may cause it.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Tue, Jul 14, 2009, at 12:42 PM
  • Pressman,

    Again, thanks for the link to Boomer's radio. :)

    Here's a quirkly little thing I found on YouTube that made me smile. Obviously, it won't work for everyone, but I'm sharing it nonetheless. This first link is accompanied by the real thing.



    This song caused a great deal of controversy during the Vietnam war, and the irony is that its message is timeless.

    -- Posted by Slater on Tue, Jul 14, 2009, at 1:46 PM
  • Third Child:

    Where do you get your drinking water so as not to contaminate your body? Have you researched the making of bottled water to verify content, or do you drink well water and how often is it tested for contaminants? Curious minds want to know.

    -- Posted by litlmissme on Tue, Jul 14, 2009, at 4:07 PM
  • News Across-The Honor Roll, from what I've heard, is going to stay in place. It would be an absolute shame to get rid of it and I don't think anyone is foolish enough to even fathom a thought about taking it down. Too many gold stars on that board to do that.

    -- Posted by BlackBird on Tue, Jul 14, 2009, at 8:32 PM
  • Does anyone around Marshall have a rain gauge and can tell me how much rainfall we have received in the area this year and this month?

    -- Posted by hunterfisher on Tue, Jul 14, 2009, at 11:27 PM
  • "I think we would be better off if we continued to fund research for a cure for cancer instead of constantly stressing over any conceivable substance that may cause it."

    Why would anyone want to *continue paying* to add toxic chemicals that are *proven to cause cancer* to our drinking water, even though now it is known that there were NEVER any positive health benefits?

    Why pay good money to give yourself cancer and then think the answer is *give more money* to the very same people that have been lying to us all along to develop some *magic pill* that will supposedly cure the cancer that they gave you in the first place? Sounds a little crazy to me.

    -- Posted by Third Child on Wed, Jul 15, 2009, at 9:14 AM
  • "Where do you get your drinking water"

    Excelsior Springs, Public Water Works. I filter it and they do not add sodium fluoride.

    -- Posted by Third Child on Wed, Jul 15, 2009, at 9:36 AM
  • A post relating to this MDN article appears to have been deleted: http://www.marshallnews.com/story/1536566.html

    Info about getting carcinogenic toxins out of your children's water supply are here:



    -- Posted by Third Child on Wed, Jul 15, 2009, at 9:49 AM
  • Just a reminder: Please don't write long comments in Speak Out, especially those that consist mostly of quoted material from other sources. It's good to share important information, but I'd suggest more summarizing and including URLs, titles and other reference information rather than copying and pasting into this forum. Thanks!

    -- Posted by Eric Crump on Wed, Jul 15, 2009, at 9:52 AM
  • Thanks Eric.

    Here's a short, easy link to let our elected congress critters know that we want them to stop poisoning our water.


    Take Action to End Fluoridation!

    -- Posted by Third Child on Wed, Jul 15, 2009, at 10:17 AM
  • Third Child,

    You keep screaming at me to heed your advice while giving my advice to you no creedence at all.

    Seems as if we're at an impasse.

    I'll make you a deal. I would be happy to shut up about it if you would respond in kind.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Jul 15, 2009, at 12:11 PM
  • "Seems as if we're at an impasse"

    I'm just trying to wake you up to one simple issue out of many.

    Carcinogens are being added to your water. Your children are drinking it. You know they are being poisoned. What do you do?

    Your advice is to keep drinking it and send money to the people that are basicly responsible for putting it in the water in the first place and then asking them for magic pills to cure the cancer that they are giving you.

    I'm having a hard time giving that solution much credence. On the other hand, I don't understand why you can't see the obvious?

    Just stop putting poison in the water.

    There is no good reason to put it there unless you are trying to dumb down and kill a bunch of useless eaters.. hmmm..

    Fluoride is stupid. Stupid is as stupid does. You call it an impasse. I call it crazy. I'm living in the land of the body snatchers..

    -- Posted by Third Child on Wed, Jul 15, 2009, at 12:59 PM
  • I know this was posted before and seemed to get overlooked, but what has happened to the dog on Morrow, and the old english sheep dog behind Green Printers?

    -- Posted by snoozes on Wed, Jul 15, 2009, at 1:50 PM
  • Communities which have Rejected Fluoridation Since 1990


    -- Posted by Third Child on Wed, Jul 15, 2009, at 1:58 PM
  • Fluoride, fluoride, fluoride, fluoride, fluoride, fluoride, fluoride, fluoride....I think I will od on fluoride just to get away from the continuous posting on fluoride. Make it stop please!

    -- Posted by Cheese on Wed, Jul 15, 2009, at 2:50 PM
  • Snoozes,

    I'll bet some of those stray cats turned him loose.

    -- Posted by waterman7622 on Wed, Jul 15, 2009, at 3:14 PM
  • I agree with Cheese. "Third Child" and "What the" need to get over themselves and move on. You two have bored most of us to death.

    -- Posted by i'mback/didyoumissme on Wed, Jul 15, 2009, at 3:14 PM
  • "I think I will (overdose) on fluoride just to get away from the continuous posting on fluoride."

    You are overdosing a little bit every day. This attitude seems to bear out the published studies of the negative effects. You don't mind ingesting the poison as long as you don't have to face the documentation? Something's wrong with this thinking..

    -- Posted by Third Child on Wed, Jul 15, 2009, at 6:45 PM
  • "Third Child" and "What the" need to get over themselves and move on. You two have bored most of us to death."

    You need to get over your self. Why would you think it is anyone's job to entertain you?

    -- Posted by Third Child on Wed, Jul 15, 2009, at 6:51 PM
  • I hope the stray cats let both dogs loose. Seriously though, I haven't seen them on the salineanimalleague.org website, that is why I was wondering.

    -- Posted by snoozes on Wed, Jul 15, 2009, at 7:12 PM
  • I think more than a dozen postings on the same topic is plenty boring and more than enough on the subject (and yes, I did waste my time by counting them). No one expects to be "entertained," but the expectation is that they will not be subjected to a one-note samba day after day after day.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Wed, Jul 15, 2009, at 7:51 PM
  • hunterfisher,i dont have a raingage but i can tell you that the rural areas of the county have received more rain than marshall itself.

    -- Posted by yomomma on Wed, Jul 15, 2009, at 8:02 PM
  • You people aren't bored with the information that you are being mass poisoned. You just don't want to be put in the position of standing up to do something about it. What does it take to just ignore the fact that your mental facilities are being stolen and your bones are made brittle enough to snap like dry twigs as you age?

    As damage is cumulative, maybe 50 years of poison has already taken it's toll to where you can't or don't care anymore what happens to yourself? It doesn't make sense to me that the community wouldn't put a stop to this nonsense. It's crazy to pay good money to have poison delivered through your faucets and from there to your veins, organs and old brittle bones.. What is the logic of that? What about your kids and grandkids? How can you look them in the eye and say you love them and not lift a finger to do anything about this? Seems like child abuse to me.


    How Dentists Manipulate Legislators to Win Fluoridation Battles

    -- Posted by Third Child on Wed, Jul 15, 2009, at 10:38 PM
  • Third "Child"



    -- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Jul 15, 2009, at 11:01 PM
  • 3rd child,

    You're right we're poisening our youth...and our selves. We've been posning ourselves since the early 90's when we started injecting Hydorflorisilic acid "floride" into our water supply at the direction of the "MDNR". After all it was free to the water supply system. It didn't cost us anything. The Federal and State Government gave us the equipment and the material "free". Hell, what more could you ask for. If you don't spend the money, we won't get it next year. But a great big "but" enough. I, You, Me arn't going to change anything............ we're going to get more of the same..... from the "yes we can man".

    -- Posted by waterman7622 on Wed, Jul 15, 2009, at 11:22 PM
  • As they said on Monty Python, "and now for something completely different".

    It appears that China is attempting to displace American workers even in the little nooks and crannys where Americans toil. As always, they are doing it with the complicity of corporate America. I take that back. It is really at the request of the corporatocracy.

    Get this. In the miniscule organic soy milk market, "Silk" is a major brand. The company has always bought its beans from American organic soy bean farmers. Well, there was a takeover of the company. The new predatory owner has stopped contracting with American farmers. They are going to get their organic beans from China because they are cheaper. Wanna bet that the store price will go down? I didn't think so. Wanna drink soy milk provided by the people that can't even keep poison out of children's toys? I didn't think so.


    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Jul 16, 2009, at 1:36 AM
  • waterman7622,

    Are you serioulsy trying to blame fluoridation on Obama? You mean we've only been doing it since the end of Jan. 2009?

    Kind of a stretch don't you think?

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Thu, Jul 16, 2009, at 6:22 AM
  • News,

    When I was covering city government in another Missouri city back in the last century (the nineteen and eighties to be approximately exact) there was a petition brought to the city council demanding the removal of fluoride from the city water supply. A brief but energetic debate ensued, but as I recall, the council declined to comply with the request. So I guess the issue is resurgent here but not really new.

    -- Posted by Eric Crump on Thu, Jul 16, 2009, at 8:28 AM
  • Oh, OK news. I get what you mean.

    -- Posted by Eric Crump on Thu, Jul 16, 2009, at 9:43 AM
  • "I find the timing and thus the motives of some of the crowd I am hearing from on this issue the most highly suspicious."

    I find your argumentation highly suspicious.

    Whose side are you on? You don't want to be forced to drink poison yourself yet your arguments only encourage that continuing scenario.

    If you were aware of this poison years ago why weren't you trying to do something about it? I'm very suspicious of your motivations..

    -- Posted by Third Child on Thu, Jul 16, 2009, at 9:47 AM
  • "there was a petition brought to the city council demanding the removal of fluoride from the city water supply. A brief but energetic debate ensued, but as I recall, the council declined to comply with the request"


    DeLand cancels fluoride, then adds it back

    The 'health experts' on the city council should be held accountable for their actions. With the first kid that gets bone cancer there should be law suits all around. I would think that with all the scientific proof available these days that fluoride is a crock of crap, that city attourneys everywhere would be scrambling to reverse the ill advised practice of mass poisoning the constituents.

    -- Posted by Third Child on Thu, Jul 16, 2009, at 10:01 AM
  • Have we finally put the fluoride discussion to bed? I hope so! Almost all additives, pesticides, etc. are a trade-off situation. The risk to health frequently has to be weighed against the need to feed. And we still have millions of people going to bed hungry in this world.

    Being in an area of mixed production of crops and meat/milk, folks in the Marshall area are pretty much constantly exposed to one thing or another that can be harmful. If you don't trust the FDA, et al, to police the situation (and I don't due in part to the enormity of the job) you must take charge of your own space. Educate yourself and avoid what you don't trust.

    There are lots of things we can do but I doubt any of us can do a complete job. If chemicals in the water concern you, most can be eliminated via boiling the water before you drink it. A lot of external residue can be removed by washing. My major coping method is "tons" of vitamins and lots of exercise. WT

    -- Posted by White Tornado on Thu, Jul 16, 2009, at 12:05 PM
  • "Have we finally put the fluoride discussion to bed?"

    What discussion? No one has presented any pro fluoridation arguments other than silly claims such as 'pearly white teeth' and 'still fine as frogs hair'. Both claims have nothing to do with fluoride. Fluoride actually discolors teeth and frogs will die if you soak them in it.

    There has been no discussion in favor of fluoride because an honest discussion of the scientific facts would disprove all the biased and outdated misinformation that ever claimed any health benefits.

    On the other hand, the scientific proof of the damage it causes is so overwhelming that it is a no brainer to end it's use. People that whine about boredom of the subject should just skip over it if they have nothing to contribute.

    "If chemicals in the water concern you, most can be eliminated via boiling the water before you drink it."

    Not so with fluoride unless you are talking about distilling the water.

    Hey, I have an idea! STOP adding it to the water in the first place! This solution is simple and saves money. Especially when the city considers the lawsuits that they may face for the continued addition of this toxic waste in the public water supply.

    Fluoride does not improve dental health. Many communities have taken action to remove it.


    It just takes a little education and some community action to do the right thing for your children and yourself.


    -- Posted by Third Child on Thu, Jul 16, 2009, at 2:29 PM
  • Third Child,

    The reason you havn't seen any "pro" fluoride arguments is because I don't think it's an issue of whether you are agreed with or not. It has however become an issue of when will you let it go.

    You have made your point. Over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.

    Time to move on.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Thu, Jul 16, 2009, at 2:51 PM
  • So how many wins will Royals Zack Greinke have by the end of this season?

    -- Posted by snoozes on Thu, Jul 16, 2009, at 3:28 PM
  • "What the'

    If someone came into your house and beat your wife and kids, what would you do? Say nothing? Do nothing? Just move on?

    -- Posted by Third Child on Thu, Jul 16, 2009, at 3:43 PM
  • There was a game I had when I was a kid. A ball on a string attached to a paddle and it sounded like this.... wackowackowackowackowackowacko

    -- Posted by broke-n-busted on Thu, Jul 16, 2009, at 3:43 PM
  • Coming but not soon enough.

    Weight loss researchers turn to the biological causes of weight gain in search for answers. It's more than just calories, stupid.

    http://www.technologyreview.com/biomedicine/23001/page2/ and


    -- Posted by AF Brat on Thu, Jul 16, 2009, at 3:48 PM
  • snoozes,


    -- Posted by Slater on Thu, Jul 16, 2009, at 5:38 PM
  • News, how about if I round up a few javalina and ship to you? They might make decent pets once you gain their favor. heh heh

    -- Posted by Slater on Thu, Jul 16, 2009, at 6:19 PM
  • "It's more than just calories, stupid."

    MSG and Obesity


    -- Posted by Third Child on Thu, Jul 16, 2009, at 6:21 PM
  • news across: How about a pot-bellied pig? Not small, necessarily, but still a pig :)

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Thu, Jul 16, 2009, at 9:03 PM
  • How about the pig, Arnold, on Green Acres years ago? Actually, we raised pigs when I was young on the farm in Napton and I had several that were quite friendly. Pigs are much cleaner and neater than they are given credit for and are quite intelligent.

    I never did but a lot of kids in my era raised them to show at the Fair in Sedalia. WT

    -- Posted by White Tornado on Thu, Jul 16, 2009, at 9:32 PM
  • news across,

    Not a small pig by any means but one of the best natured pigs you'll ever come across is the Gloucestershire Old Spots breed. They're very calm and friendly. Sometimes they'll fuss over the food trough but all pigs will do that.

    Growing up we had mostly Hampshires and Yorkshires but Grandfather brought home two of these GOS pigs one day and we kids thought we were in hog heaven. They were the best pets we had. Yes, I said pets. Those two weren't meant for our dinner table.

    So, are you thinking about getting a pig to go with that rabbit?!

    -- Posted by Tori on Thu, Jul 16, 2009, at 9:46 PM
  • Newsacross when I was a little kid my siblings, and I had a pet pig, a Hampshire. It was the runt of an oversized litter so we hand fed it from birth.

    Well, four little kids on a marginal farm in the nineteen forties could be highly entertained by such a situation. It reacted to our affection much as would a dog. It hung out in our yard as would a dog, it came running when whistled for, and loved to have its back scratched.

    Problem: It was not our pig, it belonged to the mortgage company.

    We had an old two wheel trailer that my Dad pulled behind our car. As the pigs grew to be shoats, and market size my Dad would load them in the trailer three at a time. He would haul them to the Sedalia sale.

    Of course the time came when there were only two pigs left in the lot... and our pig. My Dad whistled, and our pet ran up the ramp into the trailer where Dad waited. The other two pigs were then loaded. Off to the sale as four little kids cried, and waved good bye.

    So, based on my experience I think that if you have the space, that you should get you a pig. They can give you the same rewards provided by a dog. However do not borrow the money to get the pig, and use it as collateral.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Jul 16, 2009, at 10:01 PM
  • I see the McClure house on Eastwood was scheduled for demolition today.

    For the life of me, I cannot understand the point of filling the basement with concrete. Dirt would seem to me to be a good choice.

    -- Posted by Slater on Thu, Jul 16, 2009, at 10:49 PM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    Kathy learned yesterday that it's not poured concrete but waste concrete used as fill. It will have a dirt cap so the area can be sown with grass.
  • TC, are you anywhere close to Crest Drive?

    -- Posted by Slater on Thu, Jul 16, 2009, at 10:52 PM
  • Slater: :)

    Newsacross: Seriously if you should decide to get a pet pig it would be best to go with what WT said. Get a pot belly because of the size issue. I think the bigger ones of that breed max out at about 300#,most less, whereas a well fed and loved standard sized hog could easily go 500# before it stops growing. It would also eat you out of house, and home, to say nothing of dispensing a whole lot more fertilizer on the lawn than you would want. I hope that you have an acreage. Good luck.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Jul 16, 2009, at 11:38 PM
  • Cosa Nostra: et tu. :)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Jul 16, 2009, at 11:40 PM
  • Okay, here's a new topic for you. I read in the KC Star that the insurance, medical and hospital lobbyists are spending $1.6 million per day to fight health care reform. While I'm not sure what needs to be done, I'm sure something has to be done about medical costs and the working poor who can't afford insurance. It will take people much more intelligent than I am to figure it out. Talk amongst yourselves!

    -- Posted by oneofmany on Fri, Jul 17, 2009, at 12:07 AM
  • Hey I am on medicare now. Compared to coverage I had when I had to self pay (small business), and what I paid for it medicare is great. Simple enough, offer medicare to everyone. Keep private insurance available for those who want no part of "socialism" or guvment run programs", but make those people get out of the way of the rest of us.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Jul 17, 2009, at 1:22 AM
  • I want a three-toed sloth. =)

    -- Posted by Green Eyes on Fri, Jul 17, 2009, at 8:44 AM
  • Green Eyes I think at the moment I would prefer a three toed sloth. It has been hitting around 105 F. here day after day. For right now I think a sloth is about all I can keep up with.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Jul 17, 2009, at 10:46 AM
  • Since News hasn't mentioned adopting a Koala, I'd have to conclude they don't make good pets, or the government says they don't make good pets.

    I read not long ago about someone in Wisconsin or Minnesota who had a kangaroo which got out of its enclosure and went on walkabout. It showed up elsewhere later on and was returned to the manager, as I recall.

    -- Posted by Slater on Fri, Jul 17, 2009, at 11:13 AM
  • OKR and I are languishing in the high heat and gazing at the world through the slit between our eyelids.

    Cold drinnks for everyone! On me, at Humphrey's. :)

    -- Posted by Slater on Fri, Jul 17, 2009, at 11:19 AM
  • Oh yuck...the heat. In Marshall, right now, it's about 73 degrees. Thank goodness, after we've seen some high humidity days. Probably nothing compared to the south, though.

    -- Posted by Green Eyes on Fri, Jul 17, 2009, at 12:06 PM
  • Here I am, posting another music link or two. Of course these are tunes that passed into rock and roll history a long time ago, but what does that matter?

    These are both Kinks tunes, the first one being an energized version of one from the early '60s:


    This next one is one of my favorites by the group:


    -- Posted by Slater on Fri, Jul 17, 2009, at 4:00 PM
  • http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090718/ap_on_fe_st/us_odd_wienermobile_wreck

    Thought this was interesting considering the article a few weeks ago. Hope everyone is alright.

    -- Posted by Oldblackcat on Sat, Jul 18, 2009, at 8:36 AM
  • Thanks for posting the pictures of the home at 750 Eastwood. Thanks too, for Carolann Marsh's background information on the home's history. Picture #7 did raise a question. It looks as if a second home had been tacked onto the original structure. Ms. Marsh said that the addition had been done by McClure. Was the small structure at the side, the garage? It was so small.

    It's over, now Marshall's citizens must urge the town council to examine laws pertaining to maintenance of properties.

    For the record, my most recent visit to Marshall was September 2006. I spent a goodly amount of time looking around. Thought it looked quite nice. I visited the dog park. And now, I'm looking forward to seeing the new museum and having a hamburger at the bowling alley. See ya!

    -- Posted by upsedaisy on Sat, Jul 18, 2009, at 5:14 PM
    Response by Kathy Fairchild/Staff writer:
    The back portion of the house was added by McClure, and the garage is a separate structure behind the house. I'm not quite sure what the little building on the side is, though. Enjoy that bowling alley burger - they're the best!
  • WonderJim - I won't be reviewing "Bruno". My Harry Potter review will be posted within the next 24 hours. I did write a review of "Public Enemies" exclusively for my A Penny in the Well site. You can that read by following this link.


    -- Posted by ydnasllew on Sun, Jul 19, 2009, at 10:22 AM
  • Well, in this economy I have to pick and choose the movies I see very carefully. Although I receive great joy from reviewing movies good or bad, my wallet prefers me to see movies that I really enjoy. It also prefers it if I only watch one movie per week. I try to see most of the movies that get released in Marshall, but every once and a while I choose to go to Sedalia to see what I want to rather than what Marshall gets. Hence, the "Public Enemies" review that can be linked to from my previous post or from the comments section of my "Transformers" review. I skipped "Ice Age" to see that one.

    As for "Bruno" I just couldn't work a movie into my busy schedule last week. I hear "The Proposal" is very good, so I probably would've caught that one instead anyway. Honestly, I wasn't so impressed with "Borat" as everybody else seemed to be. I thought it was funny, but not groundbreaking. I have the impression that "Bruno" is the exact same movie, but with a different character. Now, don't take that as a critique, because I haven't seen it. Since I doubt it will be coming to Marshall, I'm just going to have to see it on video like most everybody else in Marshall.

    -- Posted by ydnasllew on Sun, Jul 19, 2009, at 8:26 PM
  • Three cheers for Tom Watson. He did not win the British Open, but boy he sure made it interesting. Atta boy Tom!

    -- Posted by OldOwl on Mon, Jul 20, 2009, at 8:55 AM
  • After reading Sydney's article regarding water bottles I would like to comment on the city of Marshall. I again took things to the recycling center on Saturday. Every time I go there I think I fortunate we are to have such a wonderful and comprehensive recycling center. So many towns and cities don't have anything or if they do it only takes limited items. Others struggle to keep funding for non-profit community run facilities. I am like a lot of people and complain about Marshall but the recycling is something to be very proud of the way it is set up and the way it contributes to saving our environment. If you don't recycle you should - go check out the recycling center it is easy to use and saves on trash.

    -- Posted by Pidge on Mon, Jul 20, 2009, at 10:00 AM
  • Wonder:

    That is so very sad but true. I'm not racist either but if they deported all or even most of the illegals maybe the people of Marshall that are having trouble finding work could find a job. There are 2 main companies in this town and unless your hispanic you can't get a job there.

    -- Posted by missouriwoman3 on Mon, Jul 20, 2009, at 12:43 PM
  • I am not a racist, but I am a "legalist".

    There, I said it. These food processing places love these illegals forreasons other than whether or not they work hard.

    Many of the immigrant workers paperwork is suspect and even those who's aren't generally have to return to thier country of origin every 5 years or so and then re-appy to come back to the states unless they had managed to become a citizen.

    Let's say for the sake of arguement the "country" of origin is a "little south" of us.

    Many times they will go back, buy some new "paperwork" come back here and start working again sometimes with a completely new identity much to the chagrin of other workers who wonder why so and so now has a new name.

    The companies love it be cause the "worker" will have lost any vacation or retirement they may have acrued and will have to start all over again.

    If you know any old timers at any of these processing plants, ask them if they feel as if they are being systematically phased out.

    Old-timers with lots of vacation, pensions and decent hourly wages that took decades to earn in favor these "new workers" who may have to start over every few years.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Mon, Jul 20, 2009, at 3:11 PM
  • missouriwoman3

    You are oh so wrong I was hired at one of those places on the same day as 6 other non-hispanics and 7 hispanics I am the only non-hispanic that was still employed there 6 months later.

    It is now going on 7 years and all but one hispanic and myself are still there.

    Out of the other, (non-hispanics) that were hired two simply would not show up for work, so they "pointed out" and the remainder left on their own accord, mostly because they did not like working long hours.

    It simply is a lie that "Americans" can not get work in this town because of the hispanics.

    -- Posted by litlmissme on Mon, Jul 20, 2009, at 4:46 PM
  • Cost Of Bailout Hits A Whopping $24 Trillion Dollars



    According to the watchdog overseeing the federal government's financial bailout program, the full exposure since 2007 amounts to a whopping $23.7 trillion dollars, or $80,000 for every American citizen.

    The $23.7 trillion figure comprises "about 50 initiatives and programs set up by the Bush and Obama administrations as well as by the Federal Reserve," according to the Associated Press.

    Meanwhile, Henry Paulson, one of the chief architects of the bailout and the man who committed financial terrorism by threatening the Congress with martial law and food riots if they didn't pass the initial TARP package, brazenly pockets $200,000 in Goldman Sachs profits tax free while handing out billions in ill-gotten gains to his bankster buddies, all this after he pulled a bait and switch by changing the entire focus of the bailout from buying up toxic debt to giving money directly to financial institutions.

    -- Posted by Third Child on Mon, Jul 20, 2009, at 4:48 PM
  • missouriwoman3: You said "There are 2 main companies in this town and unless your hispanic you can't get a job there."

    Since I moved here, I've have heard this comment so many times I've lost count. I am making a sincere request when I ask you to prove this assertion. By proof, I mean documentation that there is a systematic pattern of this kind of discrimination in Marshall at any employer - that there are places where you cannot be hired if you are not Hispanic. That a willing, able-bodied, otherwise-qualified white man or woman would be turned away simply based on the color (or lack thereof) of their skin. Not rumor, not supposition, not "I heard it from (insert name here)," but actual proof.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Mon, Jul 20, 2009, at 5:24 PM
  • This is a non-threatening, non-argumentative, whineless post in keeping with Upsedaisy's request for such.

    The harvest moon comes October 4th this year, which is the date of the full moon nearest the Autumnal Equinox.

    I'll be checking to see how many of you grow pointed ears and excess hair.

    -- Posted by Slater on Mon, Jul 20, 2009, at 8:19 PM
  • good news for the rottie in south english. dog belongs to the son of my good friend and the dog has been turned into a house dog!! thanks to all who are concerned about our dog friends!!

    -- Posted by marshallite on Mon, Jul 20, 2009, at 8:27 PM
  • Kathy Fairchild wants proof?

    "I am making a sincere request when I ask you to prove this assertion. Not rumor, not supposition, not "I heard it from (insert name here)," but actual proof."

    Kathy, since you're in the mood for challenges I'll challenge you to prove your previous assertion that mass dosing the population with sodium fluoride in the public water supply is safe and effective.

    Of course, the same rules you spelled out to others applies to you. No anecdotal evidence, please. The same challenge goes to 'news across' and anyone else that believes in the myths of mass fluoride ingestion.


    -- Posted by Third Child on Mon, Jul 20, 2009, at 9:35 PM
  • You want proof of what i said go sit outside of either company a see what the ratio is...i bet for every natural citizen you see there will be 4-5 hispanics... I honestly have no problem with hispanics

    -- Posted by missouriwoman3 on Mon, Jul 20, 2009, at 10:33 PM
  • That's great news about the rottie on South English, Marshallite. I wonder about the sheep dog behind the print shop just off of Arrow?

    Don't forget about the others too.


    -- Posted by Cheese on Mon, Jul 20, 2009, at 11:16 PM
  • missouriwoman3:

    Wrong again, based on the numbers inside our facility natural born citizens out number the immigrants by 2 to 1, not to mention that many of those persons are no longer immigrants, as they have passed the citizenship test making them equal to you and I.

    -- Posted by litlmissme on Tue, Jul 21, 2009, at 4:50 AM
  • Judge Sotomayor should be indicted for complicity in a bankruptcy fraud scheme and withholding this information from the Senate Judiciary Committee instead of a free pass 'affirmative action' confirmation from those prostitutes on the Potomac..



    "In the DeLano case, 06-4780-bk, Judge Sotomayor, presiding, and her colleagues on a panel of the Court of Appeals, 2nd Circuit (CA2), issued a summary order to protect, not the rule of law, but rather their appointee to a bankruptcy judgeship, Bankruptcy Judge John C. Ninfo, II, WBNY."

    "To protect such concealment of assets by a bankruptcy system insider and her bankruptcy appointee, Judge Sotomayor violated discovery rights by denying every single document in all creditor-requests, which would have exposed a judicially run bankruptcy fraud scheme."

    "Worse yet, by so doing, Judge Sotomayor failed to protect the single most important Constitutional guarantee that a judge, let alone a Supreme Court justice, is required to safeguard: due process of law."

    -- Posted by Third Child on Tue, Jul 21, 2009, at 8:06 AM
  • The city's rationale for improving the airport is to make it capable of handling corporate jet traffic, which is a component of economic development. As Roy Hunter, director of Marshall-Saline Development Corporation explained to me once: If companies have to fly in to Sedalia and drive to Marshall, they may be more likely to locate their businesses in Sedalia. In his view, a better airport helps Marshall compete for businesses.

    -- Posted by Eric Crump on Tue, Jul 21, 2009, at 8:32 AM
  • Roy Hunter is delusional if he believes that Marshall is at the center of the corporate universe.

    -- Posted by Slater on Tue, Jul 21, 2009, at 10:54 AM
  • Yes, Slater, *if* he believed that. I don't think he's ever suggested anything remotely similar.

    -- Posted by Eric Crump on Tue, Jul 21, 2009, at 11:11 AM
  • I should have included the city administration in that assessment, or whomever sees the need to expand the airport for accommodation of "corporate" jets.

    -- Posted by Slater on Tue, Jul 21, 2009, at 11:37 AM
  • That does raise a good question. How long has the MSDC been in exsistence and what businesses have they brought in? How much revenue have they generated for Saline county? How much of Saline County's money, if any, have they spent?

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Tue, Jul 21, 2009, at 11:59 AM
  • MHDC and Marshall, let the Union Pacific Railroad pull out/abandon it's railroad line right into Marshall, from the East side of town without any protest! 2 major railroads serving a town of approx 14,000 is a bonus for Economic Development! Con Agra used to ship 11 refrigerated boxcars daily except Sundays out of Marshall up until the mid 1990's. A lot of truck traffic around Marshall, would be decreased if MHDC had tried to put in a trailer and container loading onto railroad flatcars facility. This would have created numerous new good paying jobs and could have had both railroads serving it! Con Agra could have cut it's shipping costs of frozen foods immensely out of Marshall, which would keep the plant here longer! Also happened to the Soy Sauce Plant that was supposed to be a boom for Saline County soybean farmers?

    -- Posted by About Time! on Tue, Jul 21, 2009, at 2:40 PM
  • You also have to consider the influence of the local trucking firms in any decision made to discourage use of the now abandoned railroad spur through town.

    At one point, the president of MSDC was the owner of a local trucking firm. I am not sure if this had any bearing on the decision or not.

    And what about cold storage facilities such as Americold? What would it do to Cargill and ConAgra if such facilities were not needed or used?

    The web of commerce has many threads and one absolutely depends on the others. It's not just about landing strips and such. Hasn;t been and never will be.


    -- Posted by circuitrider on Tue, Jul 21, 2009, at 3:01 PM
  • "those of us who played by the rules and contributed to this country will see medicare go away, see a further slide in our cultural values, see more of our paycheck go to taxes, and basically set the stage for a revolution"

    You hit the nail on the head 'Mid Mo'

    Open borders, engineered collapse of the economy, NAFTA, GATT, European Union, North American Union, plunder by the banksters, poison in the water, GMO frankenfood.. engineered pandemics, global warming cap and tax scam.. endless war, freedom for security.. free government vaccinations.. the banksters have launched a coup against America. There may be a revolution but so far we react like slaves..

    The military plans and trains for revolution. They like long runways...

    -- Posted by Third Child on Tue, Jul 21, 2009, at 3:59 PM

    -- Posted by Jo on Tue, Jul 21, 2009, at 5:11 PM
  • Illegal immigrant population has been declining since 2007. Read this article @www.builderonline.com/demographics/illegal-immigration-decline-will-hit-housing-as-it-rebounds. Interesting that businesses will need to pay higher wages and will want to retain older workers.

    -- Posted by upsedaisy on Tue, Jul 21, 2009, at 8:44 PM
  • Went to the Circus and had a blast!!

    -- Posted by Scarpetta on Tue, Jul 21, 2009, at 10:15 PM
  • Third Child,

    What would you have us do, go and shoot someone? You first. Let us know how that works out for ya. I guess now your implying that the lengthened runway at airport was done so soley for the coming military takeover of Marshall?

    On one hand it's an interesting theory although I imagine it could be achieved without a single aircraft. On the other hand it seems to be the epitome of paranoia. I think there is something in your water.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Tue, Jul 21, 2009, at 10:25 PM
  • No to the 3 rings, but they did have 1!! That was more than enough, I don't know if I could have kept up with 3. It was a good time, I think us adults had just as good of a time as the kids.

    No cannon either, but elephant rides...camel rides...pony rids...clowns...oh and a guy fit into a very small glass BOX!! It was a great time!!

    -- Posted by Scarpetta on Tue, Jul 21, 2009, at 10:34 PM
  • you nailed it midmocat! exactly! good to see some on here have some common sense.

    -- Posted by aikman8 on Wed, Jul 22, 2009, at 12:13 AM
  • 'what the'

    There is something in *YOUR* water, not mine. If you won't stand up against the poison in your own children's water it's not likely you are going to launch any revolution. The military will probably just be used to administer the new flu vaccines. They do like long runways..

    -- Posted by Third Child on Wed, Jul 22, 2009, at 12:16 AM
  • third child get over it already! we've heard enough of it already the flouridation stuff! hint hint. we're all yawning on here.

    -- Posted by aikman8 on Wed, Jul 22, 2009, at 12:23 AM
  • 'News'

    We're still waiting for you and Kathy, (the proof demanders) to offer up one single shred of evidence that fluoride is safe and effective.

    Why not just provide the proof?

    "I was opposed to fluoridation until I read your many allegations and it then occurred to me. If you oppose it...it must be something good."


    -- Posted by Third Child on Wed, Jul 22, 2009, at 7:50 AM
  • Bernanke doesn't know which foreign banks were given a half trillion of *YOUR* money


    Alan Grayson: "Which Foreigners Got the Fed's $500,000,000,000?" Bernanke: "I Don't Know."

    -- Posted by Third Child on Wed, Jul 22, 2009, at 8:06 AM
  • newsacross: Are you feeling a little crowded down there in Australia since last week's move by New Zealand?


    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Wed, Jul 22, 2009, at 8:23 AM
  • "Why not just provide the proof?"

    Well, TC, I'd say we're both just tired of an utterly pointless discussion.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Wed, Jul 22, 2009, at 10:09 AM
  • Wonder Jim asks:

    'I question why such a substance that is not intended for consumption, is in the city water'

    The obvious question, in light of the scientific evidence against mass dosing the population with this toxic waste, why isn't it immediately removed from the city's water?

    "I assume removal of fluoride from water is not a costly process"

    It costs nothing to stop. It only costs to add this poison. Maybe the city feels immune from lawsuits from the adverse affects because of the bias and outdated studies that supported this toxic waste in the past, but in light of overwhelming evidence against fluoride these days, I believe the costs of fluoride is going to grow much higher.



    -- Posted by Third Child on Wed, Jul 22, 2009, at 10:36 AM
  • "I'd say we're both just tired of an utterly pointless discussion."

    How can someone that blogs about how manly she is for smoking and driving a stick shift car claim that the health of her grandchildren is a pointless discussion?

    The irony isn't all that funny..

    -- Posted by Third Child on Wed, Jul 22, 2009, at 10:40 AM
  • Kathy,

    The spin doctor that gave women the idea to smoke in the first place is the same guy that sold the idea of fluoride in the water. Edward Bernays, nephew of Sigmund Freud.


    -- Posted by Third Child on Wed, Jul 22, 2009, at 10:50 AM
  • 1928 Edward L.Bernays, nephew to Sigmund Freud, writes the book Propaganda, in which he explains the structure of the mechanism which controls the public mind, and how it is manipulated by those who wish to create public acceptance for a particular idea or commodity. Says Bernays, "those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. Our minds are molded, our tastes are formed, largely by men we have never heard of." Bernays represents another connection to Germany and would be essential in the fluoride campaign in the United States. Wrote Bernay's, "if you can influence group leaders, either with or without their conscious cooperation, you automatically influence the group which they sway." (See Bernay's, 1947, and the fluoride campaign).

    A Chronology of Fluoridation


    -- Posted by Third Child on Wed, Jul 22, 2009, at 11:06 AM
  • As I said, pointless.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Wed, Jul 22, 2009, at 12:02 PM
  • It's pointless to discuss the senseless poisoning of your grandchildren? Are you really saying that?

    -- Posted by Third Child on Wed, Jul 22, 2009, at 12:17 PM
  • third child,

    please stop talking.

    -- Posted by hat full of sky on Wed, Jul 22, 2009, at 12:45 PM
  • The Drugging Of America With Fluoride


    Research chemist Charles Perkins said, "Repeated doses of infinitesimal amounts of fluoride will in time reduce an individual's power to resist domination, by slowly poisoning and narcotizing a certain area of the brain, thus making him submissive to the will of those who wish to govern him. The real reason behind water fluoridation is not to benefit children's teeth. If this were the real reason there are many ways in which it could be done that are much easier, cheaper, and far more effective. The real purpose behind water fluoridation is to reduce the resistance of the masses to domination and control and loss of liberty."

    -- Posted by Third Child on Wed, Jul 22, 2009, at 1:09 PM
  • Just when we all thought it was safe to get back in the water again....anybody hearing the theme from "Jaws?"

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Wed, Jul 22, 2009, at 1:38 PM
  • I would like to request that any posting on the topic of fluoride be blocked. Many people have requested that this topic be dropped but the instigator is not listening.

    -- Posted by hat full of sky on Wed, Jul 22, 2009, at 1:46 PM
  • Third Child:

    Here's another way of characterizing what I think people are trying to say to you about the subject of fluoridation. You have for weeks and weeks posted numerous comments with quotes from numerous sources you believe worthy and links to information that supports your view. People have had plenty of opportunities to change their views *if they are inclined to do so.* At this point, the possibilities of persuasion are approaching zero. More comments and more information are likely to have the opposite effect you intend -- if it's your intention to persuade people to oppose fluoridation. A number of readers have asked you to give the subject a rest. Now I'm asking, too. There are other issues to discuss.

    -- Posted by Eric Crump on Wed, Jul 22, 2009, at 2:06 PM
  • Cheetah, you rock!

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Wed, Jul 22, 2009, at 2:54 PM
  • Why would Mr. Stewart, in his latest "column", oppose a law that will reduce gun violence. Seems weird.

    -- Posted by klop on Wed, Jul 22, 2009, at 3:04 PM
  • Maybe Stewart isn't the "wierd" one.

    You've heard it said time and again - "if you criminalize gun ownership, only criminals will have guns."

    This bill will probably die in Congress - as it should - but it's not just this bill - it's the control issue that has so many people - pardon the pun - up in arms.

    As for the theory that gun control would make the world a safer place - I don't believe that has ever been proven in any "civilized" society.


    -- Posted by circuitrider on Wed, Jul 22, 2009, at 3:31 PM
  • CR, why are you ALWAYS the first to defend Stewart.....are you his public relations guy or something?

    -- Posted by klop on Wed, Jul 22, 2009, at 3:41 PM
  • Gun control will not eliminate criminals, but it will make it more difficult for them. If gun ownership is slightly inconveinent because of this law, then so be it. Easy access to weapons or human life? I think its an easy choice. This is NOT a ban, so what is the big deal.

    -- Posted by klop on Wed, Jul 22, 2009, at 3:52 PM
  • Population control....Smokin' Cheetah, what have you been smokin'.

    -- Posted by klop on Wed, Jul 22, 2009, at 3:54 PM
  • luvthoseowls: I know what you mean (and I wish there was more variety and frequency of musical entertainment hereabouts, too) but don't forget that Marshall not only has outdoor musical concerts but has had them every week all summer for 88 years. The Marshall Municipal Band may not be everybody's cup of tea, but it sure counts as musical entertainment!

    -- Posted by Eric Crump on Wed, Jul 22, 2009, at 4:11 PM
  • Dont make new gun laws ENFORCE the ones we have now.People more laws only hurt THE LAW ABIDING PERSON NOT THE LAW BREAKERS get a clue.

    -- Posted by arojr on Wed, Jul 22, 2009, at 6:20 PM
  • News Across Oh I read it maybe u should reread it cause not all the people were law abiding people.Someone didnt do a proper background on them but just cause they had a right to carry doesnt mean it wouldnt have happened.

    -- Posted by arojr on Wed, Jul 22, 2009, at 7:36 PM
  • klop the BIG DEAL is that gun registration or waiting periods does nothing to prevent crime. Local law enforcement have a duty only to the "public at large and not to individual members of the community." And further, that "a government and its agents are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any particular individual citizen." The world can be a very brutal place, the saftey of myself and my family comes first. Check out www.armed-citizens.com I guess the question I have for everyone is, when the bad guy comes to you looking to rob, rape, murder, or do you grave harm would you rather have a cop on the phone or a gun in your hand?

    -- Posted by LAMR on Wed, Jul 22, 2009, at 8:05 PM
  • Does anyone want to interpret the 2nd amendment and explain how/why it now differs from its creation 250 years ago?

    -- Posted by Slater on Wed, Jul 22, 2009, at 9:57 PM
  • the mafia has spoken ;)

    -- Posted by aikman8 on Wed, Jul 22, 2009, at 11:17 PM
  • -- Posted by pressman on Wed, Jul 22, 2009, at 11:33 PM
  • Slater,

    Not to unlike the American Woman "artist's" mother in your first clip, I just returned home from the hospital.

    I left a link below (just learning how). It is a novelty. May make you smile. You may have seen it.

    -- Posted by pressman on Wed, Jul 22, 2009, at 11:45 PM
  • cheetah - i think i get your drift concerning population control. we'd better not go there.

    i was doing ok with all the banter until this morning. now i'm wondering how many of the folks who post on this site really are mr stewart. cheetah - are you really mr stewart too?

    just how many aliases can one man have? too much for me to comprehend. i will be content to just sit and listen to the loons cry and the waves slap against the hull of the boat tied to the dock. peace - and be nice to one another.

    -- Posted by gentle ben on Thu, Jul 23, 2009, at 8:52 AM
  • Pressman,

    I do hope all is well for you.

    Yep, it made me smile. It's a keeper. :)

    -- Posted by Slater on Thu, Jul 23, 2009, at 11:06 AM
  • I think we need a new statistic regarding gun control. Let's survey the victims and see how many of them wish that when they were raped, robbed, assaulted, or even murdered (okay, so they may not respond to the question)that someone with a "legal" gun was standing with them? Hmmmm. Now THAT would be a statistic that I would be interested in!

    -- Posted by missy08 on Thu, Jul 23, 2009, at 11:10 AM
  • * Guns are used 2.5 million times a year in self-defense. Law-abiding citizens use guns to defend themselves against criminals as many as 2.5 million times every year--or about 6,850 times a day. This means that each year, firearms are used more than 80 times more often to protect the lives of honest citizens than to take lives.


    -- Posted by Third Child on Thu, Jul 23, 2009, at 11:41 AM
  • R.I.P. Jordan Adams, MHS grad a couple years ago, died in a car wreck around Hughesville early this morning. Condolences to the family.

    -- Posted by aikman8 on Thu, Jul 23, 2009, at 1:14 PM
  • As a gun owner and CCW holder, I don't have a single bit of problem with the paper work...the wait...or any other things the government thinks I need to have done to carry such items on my person. I invite it, we need to weed out the crazies for sure. We are all law abiding citizens, till we break the law.

    My personal opinion is that a focus to get the illegal guns off the streets, is the key here. No matter how hard it is for a law abiding citizen to get a gun, a bad guy can go to any street corner and get one. (clearly I am not talking about Marshall here) The bad guy on the corner don't ask for ID or run a federal background check to see if that person should have the gun. They get their money and run and get another illegal firearm to sell to the next bad guy.

    -- Posted by Scarpetta on Thu, Jul 23, 2009, at 2:26 PM
  • "When FDR said 'we have nothing to fear but fear itself', he was talking about the insanity and meanness and hatred that ALWAYS accompanies fear"

    Nana, what are you reading that gives you this impression? I think you've built your commentary on a false assumption. You go on to imply that we should all disarm ourselves or the ruling elite 'masters' will win.. well let me tell you that it is these "masters of the world" that want us disarmed. They really aren't getting that much benefit out of the numbers of us that are killing each other now. Most of those are drug related and the CIA brings in the drugs.. (Compromised: Clinton, Bush, and the CIA.)


    Doctors are killing a lot more people than guns. The poisoned enviornment is killing many more. Let's ban those! Disarming us only makes it easier to kill more of us useless eaters..


    -- Posted by Third Child on Thu, Jul 23, 2009, at 3:50 PM
  • "As a gun owner and CCW holder, I don't have a single bit of problem with the paper work"

    Good! Then you shouldn't mind revealing who you are. Tell us who issued your permit and for what purpose?

    -- Posted by Third Child on Thu, Jul 23, 2009, at 3:56 PM



    "Almost all Americans have had an intense school experience which occupied their entire youth, an experience during which they were drilled thoroughly in the culture and economy of the well-schooled greater society, in which individuals have been rendered helpless to do much of anything except watch television or punch buttons on a keypad.

    Before you begin to blame the childish for being that way and join the chorus of those defending the general imprisonment of adults and the schooling by force of children because there isn't any other way to handle the mob, you want to at least consider the possibility that we've been trained in childishness and helplessness for a reason. And that reason is that helpless people are easy to manage. Helpless people can be counted upon to act as their own jailers because they are so inadequate to complex reality they are afraid of new experience. They're like animals whose spirits have been broken. Helpless people take orders well, they don't have minds of their own, they are predictable, they won't surprise corporations or governments with resistance to the newest product craze, the newest genetic patent -- or by armed revolution. Helpless people can be counted on to despise independent citizens and hence they act as a fifth column in opposition to social change in the direction of personal sovereignty."

    -- Posted by Third Child on Thu, Jul 23, 2009, at 4:14 PM
  • ND,

    Idealistic? Sure. Unrealistic? Perhaps, but we just have to think about the consequences of where we'd be if nobody cared.


    -- Posted by Slater on Thu, Jul 23, 2009, at 4:37 PM
  • Eric- Do you have anymore pics of the livestock sale from the fair Friday? Thanks!

    -- Posted by bzymom on Thu, Jul 23, 2009, at 4:46 PM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    Many! It takes a while to process them. Hope to have them all posted tomorrow.
  • I also was wondering if you were going to post more pictures in the livestock sale gallery. I hope so!

    -- Posted by Irisheyes on Thu, Jul 23, 2009, at 6:07 PM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    My goal is to post a photo of each exhibitor.
  • Third Child,

    I don't have to give my name, because this site is anonymous for a reason. So don't bother asking again. As for my CCW, it was issued in Saline County by Wally George. Why? Because it was passed into Missouri Law that a person, after completing the necessary paper work, background check, and training it is my right to poses and conceal a firearm on my person. I did all of those things.

    Back to my name, you are quick to start asking for names when you yourself hide behind a screen name.

    -- Posted by Scarpetta on Thu, Jul 23, 2009, at 6:16 PM
  • Cosa Nostra the reason gun owners "freak out" when the issue of gun control comes up is because the 2nd amendment garantee's our right to keep and bear arms. Whenever the subject of violent crime is the topic it's always "ban the guns" well how about "ban the crimmainal." I believe this attitude comes from people who lack the testicular fortitude to stand up to evil people and evil actions. Let's face it, some people are just bad. No amount of rehab, understanding, love or compassion is going to change that.

    I do have a ccw permit and carry a firearm every day, all day. I hope that i never have to use a firearm to protect myself or my family, but do not think for a moment that i will not meet the boogie man head. Gun Control:The theory that a women found dead in an alley, raped and strangled with her own pantyhose, is somehow morally superior to a woman explaining to police how her attacker got that fatal bullet wound. So I guess this makes me an angry American clinging to my religion and guns...... I can live with that.

    -- Posted by LAMR on Thu, Jul 23, 2009, at 6:50 PM
  • Statistics show that more people die each year from automobile wrecks than from cancer and heart disease. Cigarettes kill around 300 people a day who suffer from long term addiction. Until there is a public uproar and outcry to address these problems let those who want to legally (as guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States)own, carry and use their guns.

    Thirty years ago a person could be sentenced to two years in prison for carrying a concealed weapon, although the definition of a weapon was vague. The State Legislature passed the law allowing Missouri Citizens to carry concealed weapons. If you have a complaint address the issue with your representative.

    -- Posted by John Q. on Thu, Jul 23, 2009, at 7:42 PM
  • John Q, we the voters voted for the right to carry in Missouri if people dont like it they dont have to get a permit

    -- Posted by arojr on Thu, Jul 23, 2009, at 11:18 PM
  • ND: Interesting site,thank you for sharing. Still I have a hollow feeling in my gut because my brain tells me too little, too late.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Jul 23, 2009, at 11:29 PM
  • Here you go 'nastra,' the most trusted man in America speaks: "glad to sit at the right hand of satan"


    -- Posted by Third Child on Fri, Jul 24, 2009, at 12:07 AM
  • Context, context, context. It amazes me how many people ignore context.

    Perhaps there is a short circuit in some human brains that prevents any understanding of other than single thought phrases. These unfortunates can not grasp that phrases must be understood as but a part of a larger communication, one that has an entirely different meaning than any individual phrase within its body.

    These same people also seem to see everything as either black or white,and are either unable, or refuse to see that most things are some shade of gray.

    They are the type of people who will sit down to a breakfast of delicious bacon, eggs done to a turn, and toast that is slightly burned, and exclaim that the breakfast was awful.

    They exasperate the rest of us. We should muster pity for them, and understand that they can not help themselves, but we should never, ever forget that their thoughts are not complete because their understanding is not complete.

    Walter Conkrite at the right hand of the devil? Hog wash.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Jul 24, 2009, at 1:05 AM
  • ND I agree with your comment(what else is new?). I sometimes dream about these clusters of people gathered in hidden enclaves where they live a pastoral life, loving each other, preserving all that is decent as best they can. Sort of like the book savers in Farenheit 411.

    I believe that there maybe a lot of people that experience similar dreams, at least I hope so.

    To paraphrase Bob Dylan's musical poetry when speaking of the all consuming nuclear threat during the cold war, when many dreamed that the world was blown up, and they were the only survivor; I'll let you be in my dream if I can be in yours.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Jul 24, 2009, at 1:27 AM
  • -- Posted by Third Child on Fri, Jul 24, 2009, at 9:26 AM
  • This is for OKR, ND, Cheetah, all the others in our enclave, and anyone else with compassion and humility:


    -- Posted by Slater on Fri, Jul 24, 2009, at 11:05 AM
  • Thanks for the moment of joy and gentleness Slater.


    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Jul 24, 2009, at 12:33 PM
  • Wonder Jim,

    I have no interest in rumor or speculation, nor am I concerned that my liking of a song will cause me to be the subject of any kind of investigation.

    Explain your perceived correlation between the song's lyrics and rabbits, unless you're worried that any dialogue with me will land you on the "watch list." :)

    -- Posted by Slater on Fri, Jul 24, 2009, at 3:17 PM
  • WonderJim, and Slater: Shhhhh, don't say nuttin.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Jul 24, 2009, at 3:34 PM
  • I know some folks have been waiting to see the rest of the photos from the county fair livestock and ham sale. They are all posted (171 of them) now at www.marshallnews.com/gallery/livestocksale09/

    Sorry it took so long!

    -- Posted by Eric Crump on Fri, Jul 24, 2009, at 5:50 PM
  • Speaking of music there will be an opportunity to see a traveling Smithsonian exhibit in Vandalia and Warrensburg. Use this link to the Mexico Ledger. www.mexicoledger.com/news/x1641095563/Smithsonian-music-exhibit-comes-to-Vandali...

    -- Posted by upsedaisy on Fri, Jul 24, 2009, at 8:29 PM
  • Wonder Jim, what type of list would I be put on for proclaiming my adoration of this person, the greatest female actor of all time, in my view:


    -- Posted by Slater on Fri, Jul 24, 2009, at 8:37 PM
  • OKR and Slater

    Some of my kinda music


    -- Posted by ceh_meh@verizon.net on Fri, Jul 24, 2009, at 8:55 PM
  • I can dig it, CH. :)

    -- Posted by Slater on Fri, Jul 24, 2009, at 9:09 PM
  • Obama puts Monsanto lobbyist in charge of food safety... "Change you can believe in"


    -- Posted by Third Child on Fri, Jul 24, 2009, at 10:19 PM
  • CH: Gotta love the blues. As I recall Bruner's juke box had a lot of fine blues way back when. That and late night radio turned me on to the blues nearly fifty years ago. Also there was a place called "The Name Of The Place Is I Like It Like That" (after a popular song of the day)a.k.a. "The Hill". I believe it was east off of Lincoln up hill on a gravel/dirt road. They also had good blues. Were you ever there?

    Thanks for turning me on to the Dude, he is good.

    By the way, also a lot of good jazz on Bruner's box.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Jul 24, 2009, at 10:30 PM
  • Heh heh heh...you'll lose that bet, WJ. :)

    -- Posted by Slater on Fri, Jul 24, 2009, at 10:37 PM
  • UpseDaisy, thanks for the heads up re: roots music. Unfortunately I won't be within five hundred miles of it. Darn it.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Jul 24, 2009, at 10:38 PM
  • Third Child,

    I know you have plenty to think about already, but you should be interested in this link, if you haven't seen it.

    It comes courtesy of ceh_meh:


    -- Posted by Slater on Fri, Jul 24, 2009, at 10:55 PM
  • OKR, I remember Bruner's, but I'd forgotten all about it until your mention of the place.

    I was just yesterday thinking about a jazz musician by the name of Julian "Cannonball" Adderley and the Dave Brubeck Quartet. Yep, I'm dating myself once again, BUT WJ, I AINT THAT OLD! :) Also the Jazz Messengers and the Modern Jazz Quartet.

    Forty or so years ago I would go to a coffee shop at about 43rd and Main in Kansas City and listen to the Frank Smith Trio. Very good sounds.

    -- Posted by Slater on Fri, Jul 24, 2009, at 11:04 PM
  • Slater K.C. had awesome jazz I believe that it still does. Charlie "Bird" Parker stayed there for awhile. I liked, still do, all those you mentioned. Throw in John Coltrane, and I can stay with that play list for a good long while.

    By the way, I would be remiss if I did not mention KMMO radio, that's right, KMMO as a provider of good jazz that was an early influence on my listening habits. Ben Swinger spun the records on a jazz show, and played really tasty stuff. Thats where I first heard Horace Silver. Ben was a good friend of Bob James, who may be the finest musician Marshall has produced.

    I was in a study hall with Bob James who was a class ahead of me. Every day he would sit in study hall with score sheets filling them with music. Now there is a guy who knew where he was headed.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Jul 24, 2009, at 11:25 PM
  • Yep, John Coltrane, and I also liked Stan Getz, and Eddie Harris on the soprano sax.

    I was tring to remember the names of some of those guys at KMMO, and the only one I came up with was Skip Frazee, and that's probably not right. I met him at the Stan Kenton show in the old Auditorium theatre, or was it the Mary Lou? :)

    -- Posted by Slater on Fri, Jul 24, 2009, at 11:55 PM
  • At the Mary Lou. I also saw Stan Kenton that night.

    I had forgotten that Skip Frazee worked at KMMO.

    More good jazz musicians that you mentioned. I listen to more jazz than anything else these days.

    Completely off the subject but here is a neat graph re:deficit spending since nineteen forty.http://zfacts.com/p/318.html

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Jul 25, 2009, at 12:11 AM
  • Try again on the link to deficit spending: http://zfacts.com/p/318.html

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Jul 25, 2009, at 12:16 AM
  • Thanks for that link. There's some pretty interesting information in there.

    What do you suppose the "brain trust" knows that's driving some decisions to appear contrary to logic?

    -- Posted by Slater on Sat, Jul 25, 2009, at 12:35 AM
  • I was wondering, where are the pictures from the circus? I swear I saw someone from MD there taking pictures...

    -- Posted by MyVoiceIsHeard on Sat, Jul 25, 2009, at 12:52 PM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    Took all week to process fair photos. Hope to have a circus story/photos Monday or Tuesday.
  • MyVoiceIsHeard, here ya go:


    Editor Crump's post got buried beneath the late night flurry. :)

    -- Posted by Slater on Sat, Jul 25, 2009, at 1:48 PM
  • Oops, sorry MVIH, I misread your request and reposted the livestock pictures link.

    -- Posted by Slater on Sat, Jul 25, 2009, at 1:50 PM
  • Vaccinations: Deadly Immunity

    "Government health agencies colluded with Big Pharma to hide the risks"

    2005 article by Robert F. Kennedy Jr. published by Rollingstone.com.


    The article sheds light on the collusion between Big Parma and the US government and the dangers associated with vaccines produced by major pharmaceutical companies. This article is of particular relevance to the current debate on the H1N1 swine flu virus and plans by the WHO, The Obama Administration and Big Pharma to develop a swine flu vaccine.

    -- Posted by Third Child on Sat, Jul 25, 2009, at 3:12 PM
  • Sorry to see the Family Dollar Store closing......gone by Aug 8. I hope these ladies end up with even better jobs!!

    -- Posted by wheresthelove on Sat, Jul 25, 2009, at 7:02 PM
  • Here's a song that brings back many memories, both good and bad, but mostly good:


    -- Posted by Slater on Sat, Jul 25, 2009, at 9:14 PM
  • Oklahoma Reader, et al, nice to see the names Skip Frazee and Bob James. Skip was in my class and Bobby was a couple of years behind. His sister Katie was a year ahead but we met up years later when her husband and I were Pan Am pilots at SFO. If you know any more about her and Bobby I'd be interested to hear it. She and my wife were good friends for a while until work transfers sent us to different parts of the world.

    Katie husband Jim was killed in a plane crash, small plane not commercial, and I haven't heard much about her since. As I remember Bob was professional involved musically, writing, composing and directing Sarah Vaughan.

    Also, Ben Swinger is a name I remember. Give them all my best from WT

    -- Posted by White Tornado on Sat, Jul 25, 2009, at 9:23 PM
  • White Tornade, Bob James came back several years ago when Mr. Lickey was still alive and did a concert performance with the Marshall Philharmonic. He was very gracious to his mentor. His concert also featured a second portion that included his jazz group Fourplay. He was amazing.

    While I know you knew him personally, unfortunately, few young people know much about this exceptional talent who is proud to call Marshall his hometown. Our local Applebee's has some pictures of him, and a little info. He was Sarah Vaughn's musical director from 1965-68. He has many other musical associations as well, and is still working professionally. For those of you who don't know much about this native son,check out these links to learn more about him.



    The youtube site shows an actual performance with Sarah Vaughn from 1965. It does several close-ups of him when he was young. He's a remarkable talent, and there is quite a bit of info on the web about him.

    -- Posted by oneofmany on Sat, Jul 25, 2009, at 10:44 PM
  • Oklahoma Reader, thanks for sharing the Bob James stories. Another one I had often heard was that he was supposed to play a classical piece at his graduation. Halfway through, he forgot the piece as it was composed and ad libbed until he could get back to the original composition. Only a few people knew, but they were amazed that this young man could do that!

    -- Posted by oneofmany on Sat, Jul 25, 2009, at 10:49 PM
  • One of many, I didn't know much about Bob James, so thanks for posting the bio link as well as the music.

    -- Posted by Slater on Sat, Jul 25, 2009, at 11:13 PM
  • Here's a litle tune featuring the greatest tenor sax player I've heard.


    -- Posted by Slater on Sun, Jul 26, 2009, at 12:11 AM
  • You needed more coverage about Missouri Valley College Head Football Coach Voleny Ashford being inducted to the College Football Hall of Fame. Marshall needs to wake up! You can build a park in honor of a dog but nothing has been done in Marshall to honor a most honored and beloved citizen and graduate of Marshall High School and MVC! It is amazing that a man made such a positive large impact on so many people both citizens of Marshall and Missouri Valley College Athletes and students! ESPN360.com has streaming video of the College Football Hall of Fame Enshrinement!! CBS TV Network had it on live also! Why did'nt the local cable channel have it on or times listed when it could be viewed?

    The MVC Athletic Director and staff should have personally contacted each and every MVC graduate that ever had Voleny Ashford has a coach to let them know of this honor. E-mail, phone, fax, US Mail. Hello!!! Can we say increase of alumni contributions? Did anyone at MVC bother contacting all the Missouri Television & Major Newpaper Sports Directors about this great honor? I doubt it!

    You could not even halfway fill Gregg Mitchell Stadium with National NAIA Small College Football Playoff Games and had to give tickets away to local citizens. Someone is not doing their job! The current football coach has restored Valley to a very well respected football team with playoff contending teams again! The Athletic Director lost another Public Relations and Recruiting Bonanza that is non-excusable by not acting on this national honor for MVC! Contacts should have have been made with the Kansas City, Star the St. Louis newspapers and contact with sports directors of every TV Station in Missouri about MVC in National Small College Football playoff games! 36 years after the death of one of America's best football coaches ever that made a huge positive impact on so many peoples lives can get National Recognition but so little acknowledgement in Marshall! When Mo-Valley had a 11-12 game winning streak 3 years ago it should have been tying/spinning it to the MVC Teams that had the 5th longest winning streak ever in college football at 41 games and is at it again in Marshall, Missouri. 2 Final 4 NAIA Playoff Berths 2 years in a roll! These suggestions generate ticket sales and alumni contributions from far beyond the city limits of Marshall,!

    Voleny Ashford is still promoting MVC 36 years after his death! What an awesome man, coach, and human being!

    -- Posted by About Time! on Sun, Jul 26, 2009, at 1:01 AM
  • Third Child: Are you aware of any more recent studies that follow up, and further confirm the opinions of Robert Kennedy Jr.?

    Thank you for calling our attention to this publication.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Jul 26, 2009, at 1:25 AM
  • Slater: Thanks for the Brubek piece, I really enjoyed it.

    Here is one from my favorite tenor man, John Coltrane. Staying with the train theme you shared on the A Train cut by Brubek, it is "Trane" nicely doing his 1957 composition "Blue Train".


    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Jul 26, 2009, at 2:09 AM
  • Bob James was here in OKC seversl years ago, heck it may have been ten years (I'm old)....he shared billing with his daughter, a singer. It was at a nice outdoor amphitheatre. He thoroughly entertained about five thousand of us.

    It seems to me that he, and I believe his daughter, have a winery...I think in Australia. Maybe News Across can enlighten us.

    Meanwhile I'll see if I can locate info on that. It may be that a local wine shop would want to carry it because of the local connection, and because Australian wines are hot right now in our country. Particularly so if a regular customer wanted it.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Jul 26, 2009, at 2:49 AM
  • Bob James' connection to wine was not exactly what I thought. In a way it is more interesting.

    He has selected favorite wines from around the world, most in Australia, and New Zealand, though one from Italy. Apparently he has added his art to the bottle.

    Here is a link to a bit more information: http://www.bobjames.com/wine.php

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Jul 26, 2009, at 3:02 AM
  • Well I stand self corrected. Apparently Bob James does have a winery, as I originally thought.

    Here is a link to one source:http://www.snooth.com/wines/bob+james/

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Jul 26, 2009, at 3:21 AM
  • -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Jul 26, 2009, at 3:24 AM
  • Better yet, here is Bob James himself explaining what is going on with his wine gig.


    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Jul 26, 2009, at 3:33 AM
  • Here's another cool video of Bob James performing "Angela", the theme from Taxi. Taxi was a very popular television show in the late 70's. I love this version of the song. Even if you don't care for jazz, you can't help but enjoy this.


    -- Posted by oneofmany on Sun, Jul 26, 2009, at 11:20 AM
  • About Time, I know I saw one of the television stations run lengthy features on Volney Ashford. President Humphrey, MVC's current president was interviewed as well as Jim Heinzler, who played for Volney. I was impressed with the coverage. I'm not sure how many people who played for Volney were contacted. I did google his name and found that MVC's Facebook made the announcement in May. I've posted links below. I don't know how practical it would be to personally contact each former player. In the age of technology, many people can get info about their alma maters and stay connected. Valley also has a website. The information about the broadcasting of the ceremony was listed there as well. I think the DN first ran an article the last week in May.

    Here are some links:




    -- Posted by oneofmany on Sun, Jul 26, 2009, at 12:01 PM
  • When do you suppose the city of Marshall will begin holding a Bob James Day observance?

    -- Posted by Slater on Sun, Jul 26, 2009, at 1:43 PM
  • So how is the new Donut Shop? Is business doing well?

    -- Posted by snoozes on Sun, Jul 26, 2009, at 2:43 PM
  • went there this morning snoozes, and i must say, it's not bad at all. a little pricey ... 5.50ish for the half dozen mixed donuts i got, but overall, pretty good, even with the owner spouting off to me how this was the best thing to hit the square in many years. not so sure about THAT, but happy to see a real donut shop in town. i'll be going back.

    -- Posted by aikman8 on Sun, Jul 26, 2009, at 6:29 PM
  • My thoughts on The Donut:

    If you've sold out by 8am and your sign says you are open until noon.......could you maybe, possibly, make some more donuts? Maybe it just takes too much time to make more, but I've been up there several times now around 8 and they've been sold out every time. I'm very willing to go buy donuts, but not if I have to be up there at four in the morning to get them.

    -- Posted by Oldblackcat on Mon, Jul 27, 2009, at 8:28 AM
  • Bread and circus..

    "Already long ago, from when we sold our vote to no man, the People have abdicated our duties; for the People who once upon a time handed out military command, high civil office, legions -- everything, now restrains itself and anxiously hopes for just two things: bread and circuses"

    Roman poet, Juvenal (c 200)

    -- Posted by Third Child on Mon, Jul 27, 2009, at 8:30 AM
  • Speaking of donuts, The Donut has good tasting donuts, the chocolate is wonderful, but they need to train their employees that fill the donuts to get something in the middle. If I pay $1.19 for a creme filled donut....I should get a creme filled donut!!!!

    -- Posted by Concerned007 on Mon, Jul 27, 2009, at 8:40 AM
  • Not a big fan of the new Donuts...agree that filled donuts should have filling in them...and a bit more then a thin layer of dough.

    -- Posted by HeyLady on Mon, Jul 27, 2009, at 10:39 AM
  • I think a Bob James day would be awesome. He was so humbled by the fact that he was honored by Marshall when he came the last time. Oh by the way, he did share some stories about his high school exploits with Ben Swinger. Thanks for the suggestion, Slater.

    -- Posted by oneofmany on Mon, Jul 27, 2009, at 11:21 AM
  • Not to belittle the city of Slater in its effort to acknowledge the memory of Steve McQueen, but, after all, he wasn't even from there, and he spent very little time in that area.

    On the other hand, I'm concluding that Bob James was born and raised in or around Marshall, and his contribution to the cultural arts is unquestioned and certainly far-reaching.

    I would hope that long-time Marshall residents, as well as those who love good music, will come together and appeal to the city to show its regard for this man of distinction.

    Who knows? Perhaps he may write a song about Marshall one day. :)

    -- Posted by Slater on Mon, Jul 27, 2009, at 12:38 PM
  • Glad to see the donut shop on the square--HOWEVER--would like to see a real glazed donut that is thick enough to hold it's shape when you pick it up. Getting a little chincy with the dough and pricy enough with the currency!!

    -- Posted by farmerwife on Mon, Jul 27, 2009, at 1:10 PM
  • Here's a fun little ditty that'll take your mind off the so-named slings and arrows of misfortune:


    -- Posted by Slater on Mon, Jul 27, 2009, at 1:43 PM
  • Massive Homeland Security/FEMA/Military Terrorism Drill Begins Today.. Foreign Troops Participate..

    A huge simulation coordinated by the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) and the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) has begun today with no mainstream media coverage at all.

    The security exercise known as National Level Exercise 09 (NLE 09) will last for five days and will involve foreign security officials working in conjunction with the US military, as well as Federal, State, Local Tribal and Private Sector representatives....


    -- Posted by Third Child on Mon, Jul 27, 2009, at 2:04 PM
  • -- Posted by Third Child on Mon, Jul 27, 2009, at 3:18 PM
  • Farmer's wife, Are these cake doughnuts or soft yeast doughnuts a la Krispy Kreme? There was a doughnut shop in Sedalia, which sold Dixie Creme doughnuts, that were similar to the KK's. They were mighty tasty. The shop was owned by Melvin Jones.

    -- Posted by upsedaisy on Mon, Jul 27, 2009, at 5:53 PM
  • The donut shop on the square had yeast donuts this morning that were rolled out way too thin--trying to make them go further, I suppose!! Very tasty, but it was so thin you could hardly pick one up. That is rolling dough way too thin!!

    -- Posted by farmerwife on Mon, Jul 27, 2009, at 6:07 PM
  • Just to stay with current threads...what about a double bill....Homer "uuuum donuts" Simpson, and Bob James entertaining all of the civilian detainees at the Marshall Area FEMA/Homeland Security Concentration Camp. Call it "The Fear Nothing Jazz plus Comedy Concert and Skinny Donut Festival".

    There could be an overflight of black helicopters dropping skinny donuts to the imprisoned souls below.

    According to current alarmist projections on this blog we may have only a couple of years to plan this remarkable event...so get busy. The urgency must be proclaimed. I suggest for starters that the city hire all those folks that have been pushed out of jobs by Latinos to don sandwich boards stating "Democracy Ends Soon". They should then walk the square, the Walmart parking lot, and Indian Foothills Park twenty four hours a day.*

    *The preceding comment is satire. No offense is intended toward the fine musician Bob James, nor counter culture hero Homer Simpson, nor the skinny donut man. Nor black helicopters, individual posters on any subject, nor "uuum" donuts, whether skinny, fat, over filled, underfilled, or just right. If any other party is offended by this posting, I humbly beg your pardon.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Jul 27, 2009, at 7:17 PM
  • Good plan, OKR. Dropping donuts will be much more productive than was Les' turkey drop in Cincinnati. :)

    -- Posted by Slater on Mon, Jul 27, 2009, at 7:32 PM
  • Yeah Slater, what little cream, if any that upon impact spurted from the skinny donuts would be much less problematic than the contents of turkeys. :)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Jul 27, 2009, at 7:41 PM
  • Slater, in all seriousness I think a jazz festival in Marshall featuring native son Bob James would be great for the community. Mr. James might well donate his talent from all the good things I have heard about him.

    Further, there are extraordinary jazz talents within a one hundred mile radius of Marshall. The good thing for promoters is that jazz due to its limited exposure is one of the cheaper acts, though it's a bummer for jazz musicians. It is likely that excellent jazz artists would do an hour gig cheap if within driving distance of Kansas City. It could be done, likely at a profit.

    All that is probably too much to expect. I think I will just hope that the nice old home that Bob James grew up in is not subjected to the wrecking ball.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Jul 27, 2009, at 8:12 PM
  • Smokin, Ok Reader, Nana Dot, I may have stepped in it but I just posted my blob on illegal immigrants. Take a look and let me know what you think.

    -- Posted by John Q. on Mon, Jul 27, 2009, at 10:08 PM
  • I just read it. I can hardly wait for the response.

    -- Posted by Third Child on Mon, Jul 27, 2009, at 10:12 PM
  • Oklahoma Reader, you made some excellent points. When Bob came several years ago, the old high school's auditorium was packed...many of whom were people who drove from KC to hear him. I'd forgotten he also came for an outdoor concert as well, probably in the last 5-10 years. There were lots of out-of-towners at that one too. By the way, Bob James's family home is for sale right now. It's in no danger of being torn down. It's been well cared for and is beautiful.

    -- Posted by oneofmany on Mon, Jul 27, 2009, at 11:49 PM
  • okay, my post was in reference to OKR serious post, not the funny one.

    -- Posted by oneofmany on Mon, Jul 27, 2009, at 11:51 PM
  • After seeing the health care costs for obesity, perhaps the "skinny" doughnuts are just what all of us should order.

    -- Posted by upsedaisy on Tue, Jul 28, 2009, at 12:02 AM
  • ok, i'll ask the question we're all wondering ... so where exactly is bob james' family home here in marshall? what's the address? would love to see it, it's great history for us in marshall.

    sounds like a great story demo-news, no pun intended. you need to do your job, which for a small town daily paper, you're doing a pretty good job at that. let's hear some more about bob james, a guy who i have a few cassettes of .. that's dating my age. lol.

    -- Posted by aikman8 on Tue, Jul 28, 2009, at 12:54 AM
  • by the way, the doughnuts were kinda skinny, did notice that ... very good, but not a true glazed doughnut. i'll give'em time to correct that. where's cosa nostra on this one, lol. the mafia is usually all over the donut bidness.

    -- Posted by aikman8 on Tue, Jul 28, 2009, at 12:59 AM
  • Aikman8 LOL, I also have Bob James cassettes, and a few CDs. My brother had an old 45rpm vinyl of Bob James accompanying Elaine Vaselopoulus (sp?) on his arrangement of (I believe it was) Hoagy Carmichael's "Stardust". It may have been the first thing he ever cut. I wish I knew where that one is now.

    As to where he lived, I am thinking it was on the east side of Redmond, on a corner lot. As I recall it was an old Dutch Colonial. I'll leave that to oneofmany to confirm. It has probably been forty years or better since I drove by the house.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Jul 28, 2009, at 2:10 AM
  • You can own the Bob James home if you like. http://www.unitedcountrymissouri.com/

    -- Posted by broke-n-busted on Tue, Jul 28, 2009, at 11:52 AM
  • Boy was I off on location, and description...could the Lamkin James family have lived at another residence previously, or am I just losing it? Wow.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Jul 28, 2009, at 12:27 PM
  • White Tornado: You posted 2 or 3 supplements you used for your Eyes. Can you repost them for me? I would be grateful, Thank You!

    -- Posted by Jo on Tue, Jul 28, 2009, at 12:29 PM
  • OK Reader,

    You are not crazy. Bob James may have lived in that house in the listing that is located on "Pill Hill" in Marshall. However,as a young man he lived in a house on E. Gordon Street just a few houses east of Redman.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Tue, Jul 28, 2009, at 12:35 PM
  • I heard that Bob James's real first name was spelled with a silent "K". Bkob, but pronounced Bob instead of Buh-Kob...can anyone verify this?

    -- Posted by biggens on Tue, Jul 28, 2009, at 3:04 PM
  • WTF: Thanks for restoring my faith in my memory. It is something I am grateful to have retained at my age. I was beginning to think that I had my first evidence of significant memory loss complicated by delusional replacement memories.

    I hope all is well with you.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Jul 28, 2009, at 5:05 PM
  • Here's some information on Bob James:


    biggens, I think someone was messin' with your head on his name, but I will continue searching for evidence, how's that?

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Tue, Jul 28, 2009, at 6:28 PM
  • Jo: Here's what White Tornado had to say about eyes:

    "Also, I checked the nutrition eyes require and added to my vitamins, lutein, zeaxanthin and now bilberry extract along with the other vitamins, E, D and a lot of others. In a matter of a couple of weeks I was able to get rid of the glasses (still have them in a drawer) and passed every physical until I retired."

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Tue, Jul 28, 2009, at 6:34 PM
  • Jo, the vitamins actually came later and have been helpful but the initial gain/recovery was due to some exercises I developed from different articles and books. Most of the exercises are simple and easy to do.

    One of the best things is "contrast bathing" by getting one wash cloth as cold as possible and one as hot as possible under the faucet. Alternate holding tightly to the eyes for about 1 min. each time for several reps. (Promoting blood flow.)

    Next is cupping, for about one min. blocking out all light with your hands while "looking" all around as far as you can in all four directions. Repeat a couple of times. (Muscle exercise for all four major muscles.)

    For accommodation, take a printed item at arms length, focus on one letter and slowly bring into your nose even as it gets blurry and you are squinting. Then slowly back out to arms length keeping the focus on the same letter. Repeat a few times.

    Massage gently around the eyes especially against the nose where the optic nerves are, where most folks get "bags". Now, very important, do all this without glasses or contact lens.

    Obviously I can't make any guarantees but I can tell you it's been over 30 years (I turn 72 July 31st) and has seemed to work for me.

    -- Posted by White Tornado on Tue, Jul 28, 2009, at 10:38 PM
  • I must not be as old as some of you "old-timers". I'm familiar with the Dutch Colonial but never knew he lived there. You learn something new every day. I know when he was here in the 80's, some of his band members who had grown up on the coast said he drove them by the Pill Hill house and were impressed. He seemed to be embarrassed. Does anyone know how old he was when he moved from Redman? I believe the house you're referring to is about a block east of Southeast school.

    -- Posted by oneofmany on Tue, Jul 28, 2009, at 11:38 PM
  • John Conyers (D-Mich.), has questioned the point of lawmakers reading the bills they sign.

    "I love these members, they get up and say, 'Read the bill,'" said Conyers.

    "What good is reading the bill if it's a thousand pages and you don't have two days and two lawyers to find out what it means after you read the bill?"


    -- Posted by Third Child on Wed, Jul 29, 2009, at 7:29 AM
  • Jo, if you do the exercises, I'd be very interested in a progress report in a week or so. To gauge your results, before you do them, sit in a favorite chair and closely check things you can or can not see clearly. Then re-check after and compare. I think the contrast bathing was the quickest and easiest to see results for me.

    I hit the weights and hot tub every other day while doing aerobics for an hour the odd days. In the hot tub is where I do most of my eye exercises. WT

    -- Posted by White Tornado on Wed, Jul 29, 2009, at 7:58 AM
  • WHITETORNADO, KATHY: Thank for the Info! I'll give both a try! Macular Degeneration,on my last Examination! But i'm old enough, that i should be ok for the rest of my life. But this can't hurt. Thank again!

    -- Posted by Jo on Wed, Jul 29, 2009, at 9:21 AM
  • Oneofmany: I would have to drive by the immediate neighborhood to find it...which I'm sure I could, but I'm not there. Maybe the good witch WTF could help you out?

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Jul 29, 2009, at 11:39 AM
  • Jo, there was an article in the local paper of a letter to a syndicated Dr. who answers letters and gives advice.

    The letter to him was from a man who's wife at age 88 or so was diagnosed with MD causing lose of about 45% of vision. She was told, "No cure, will only get worse." She started taking Bilberry extract (didn't say how much but I take about 360 mg in 3 capsules of 120 ea. through out the day).

    A year later, a new test showed she had re-gained most of the lost vision and shortly after that was back to full vision. She passed away at age 92 with full vision the last few years.

    Of course, no way to tell for sure except with double blind cross-over testing but her husband credits the improvement to the Bilberry. The nice thing about such suppliments, almost impossible to "overdose" unlike most drugs. WT

    -- Posted by White Tornado on Wed, Jul 29, 2009, at 11:55 AM
  • I have enjoyed all the comments about Bob James. I thought I may as well chime in. If memory serves me, there is a 2 story dutch colonial home on Redmen street between Mitchell St (which is where Southeast Elementary is located and Yerby St. The house faces west, somewhere in the middle of the block. It used to be painted a pale green.

    -- Posted by nouveaublogger on Wed, Jul 29, 2009, at 5:08 PM
  • Also...on Redman Street, this, I think, 1 1/2 story dutch colonial type of home...next door to where the Lickey's lived. It is smalled than the other I previously mentioned. It was for sale not too long ago, maybe in the past year.

    -- Posted by nouveaublogger on Wed, Jul 29, 2009, at 5:14 PM
  • Yes....I know I made some typos :).

    -- Posted by nouveaublogger on Wed, Jul 29, 2009, at 5:17 PM
  • Hey NB! Good to see you again.

    Typo's only count in typing class. :)

    -- Posted by Slater on Wed, Jul 29, 2009, at 5:49 PM
  • I guess that's why I barely passed typing in HS! HA! Just wasn't that into it then. About a year and a half after graduation...became a transcriptionist spanning 30+ years. Just a little something I fell into....

    -- Posted by nouveaublogger on Wed, Jul 29, 2009, at 6:23 PM
  • "Matt Letterman's Tractor Ride to DC"

    Gulf War Vet speaks for many.. Vets are not being taken care of. Out of sight out of mind. That's why Matt, in bad health, is driving his tractor to DC, the district of criminals, and bringing attention to the issue..

    Kentucky: Michael D. Woods blogs,

    "I just spoke with Matt while he was driving his tractor down the road. He is tired, and his legs are hurting alot. He hoped a good night sleep last night would bring down some of the swelling, but no such luck with that.

    He is looking forward to stopping for a nice dinner, before getting back out on the road. He got a late start today, so he is planning on running for a while this evening. Matt is really hoping to make it to Elizebethtown Kentucky before stopping somewhere to rest.

    Matt is optimisic that this trip will help him and other Veterans like himself receive the help they have been looking for since his return home from the Operation Desert Storm. He expressed to me how disturbing it was that it seems once real people get elected and get to Washington they forget about all the people out in this great country that they went to represent. This is really what this trip is all about. Reminding the people in Washington DC that they are suppose to stop and think about why they are there. They are suppose to do right by us, not the other way around."


    -- Posted by Third Child on Thu, Jul 30, 2009, at 8:48 AM
  • Eric, here's what happens when a newspaper editor doesn't get enough sleep before writing or editing an article: http://bit.ly/9MNVC


    -- Posted by Nonnymus on Thu, Jul 30, 2009, at 12:41 PM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    I'm going to bed at 8:30 tonight.
  • Now that's funny!

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Thu, Jul 30, 2009, at 2:32 PM
  • Washington Post: Swine Flu Vaccine Will Contain Mercury, Squalene

    "In 1977, a Russian study found that adults exposed to ethylmercury, the form of mercury in thimerosal, suffered brain damage years later. Studies on thimerosal poisoning also describe tubular necrosis and nervous system injury, including obtundation, coma and death. As a result of these findings, Russia banned thimerosal from children's vaccines in 1980. Denmark, Austria, Japan, Great Britain and all the Scandinavian countries have also banned the preservative," writes Dawn Prate.

    Mercury is classified by The Department of Defense as a hazardous material that could cause death if swallowed, inhaled or absorbed through the skin, and the EPA is now limiting mercury emissions from factories because the toxin "can damage the brain and nervous system and is especially dangerous to fetuses and small children," but according to the CDC it's perfectly safe to inject into your child's bloodstream."

    Pharmaceutical companies can be assured that they won't face reprisals for the many thousands of injuries and deaths that will inevitably occur as a result of exposing millions to mercury and squalene during a mass vaccination program, because the government has already acted to provide them with blanket immunity from lawsuits.

    "Vaccine makers and federal officials will be immune from lawsuits that result from any new swine flu vaccine, under a document signed by Secretary of Health and Human Services Kathleen Sebelius," reported the Associated Press earlier this month"


    -- Posted by Third Child on Thu, Jul 30, 2009, at 3:38 PM
  • Ok Third Child,

    Don't take the vaccine. Problem solved.

    Maybe you could do us all a favor and give us a one time list of all the websites you think we should visit instead constantly cutting and pasting some lengthy manifesto everytime you post. The sky is falling, we get it.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Thu, Jul 30, 2009, at 5:59 PM
  • Here's a thought about parents needing to arrange transportation for thier kids to get to school.

    Let's go back to neighborhood grade schools the way they were intended to be in the first place and we wouldn't be bussing these tot's all over hell's half acre.

    The way things are set up now is completely absurd and costly much like the need for a "new" grade school building. I bet you a dollar to a donut hole that the folks pushing for a new grade school building are the folks living at the country club and they will make sure that it is in thier neighborhood. It would be great for thier convenience and property values and the best part is they would get to do it with your money.This raises another question, what would we then do with the four perfectly fine historical buildings that we have right now? Tear 'em down?It's ridiculous.

    This town is no bigger than it was when I was in grade school forty years ago. We had neighborhood schools and we walked and rode our bikes the way it was meant to be. Think of the cost savings in fuel and wear and tear on the busses and maybe these little tykes can get some excersize in the process.

    Not only that, it teaches them the responsibility of getting out of bed, getting ready for school and getting to school on thier own and on time. Gee, what a new concept? Not really, it's age old and effective.

    C'mon people, this is nuts.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Thu, Jul 30, 2009, at 6:34 PM
  • What The F......

    I agree with you 100% about the rich folk. But....kids walking to school, riding their bikes, TAKING RESPONSIBLILITY FOR GETTING OUT OF BED AND GETTING THEIRSELF READY FOR AND TO SCHOOL ON THEIR OWN, AND ON TIME????? You're joking, right? We did that when we were kids, but hey, it's a different time. And I bet ConAgra would like some more space in town.

    -- Posted by BlackBird on Thu, Jul 30, 2009, at 9:45 PM
  • As to the neighborhood school issue, WTF, I would have agreed with you 40 years ago. Most kids had a stay-at-home mom. (By the way, I didn't.) Trust me, we have plenty of kids who still walk. I doubt seriously if the kids at the country club ride the bus. If you're interested, you might check that out. I personally would not want my child to walk to school in this day and age. Besides, you would be surprised at how many kids show up at school very early to get away from home. The school is a safe place for them where they can get food and guidance on top of an education. Society has changed immensely in the forty years since you were in grade school. As for the busing expense, Kathy, you might check that out. I believe it is largely covered by state funding, and not local. Of course, there are those who could say it doesn't matter what pot it comes from. The bottom line is, that many kids, including the ones whose parents work shifts at ConAgra or the Hab Center who DO get themselves up in the morning. To me, the busing of these kids is well worth it as they are supervised and safely transported to school in a timely manner. Ask any teacher who has taught for several years. They will tell you how the dynamics of our community have changed and the effect it has had on our children.

    -- Posted by oneofmany on Thu, Jul 30, 2009, at 10:20 PM
  • Oneofmany,

    I didn't have a stay at home Mom either but I think that point is irrelevent in terms of whether or not we bus kids all over the place when thier schools could be within walking distance.

    "They will tell you how the dynamics of our community have changed and the effect it has had on our children."

    Yes, the dynamics have changed much to our chagrin and to the detriment of the children.

    Why wouldn't you want your children to walk to school in this day and age? There were cars and trucks when we did it so what's problem?

    Blackbird, no I am not joking. I am very serious. I'm not sure what you mean about Con Agra wanting more room in town. Is that your response about what to do with the old grade schools?

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Thu, Jul 30, 2009, at 11:51 PM
  • WTF-

    I know you weren't joking. We all see it every day where kids can't take responsiblility for their own actions any more and do things that were just natural for people like you and me. But, given the "role models" they have-many adults (parents, other relatives, sports figures, you name it) can't take responsibility for their own actions either. So, seeing society and the way kids are brought up today, why should we expect anything else? It's a totally different world than when we were raised up, isn't it?

    As for ConAgra, no I certainly would not want to see them get the old school buildings for more area-just a dig at some of the other ConAgra-inspired comments. Keep the old buildings. At least they have not fell apart, are still in good shape, and have many more years left in them. The men who built those buildings had good materials to use and they knew how to use them. Those buildings are as old as my mother, and work just as well, even at her age.

    -- Posted by BlackBird on Fri, Jul 31, 2009, at 7:01 AM
  • Blackbird,

    I agree with you 100% but maybe we can change things. I understand what you mean about today's society but that doesn't mean that we can't start somewhere instead of shuffling let's say a family of three or four to 4 different schools in some SUV or a big 'ol school bus.

    While we're on the subject the month of August used to be considered a summer month. What has happened to that? Has the school year been lengthed to allow for extended winter breaks and all of these teacher "In Service" days? It would be wise for parents to remember that the school district works for you, not the other way around.

    I guess like everything else it's all about the money which is probably the only thing the kids will ever really learn.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, Jul 31, 2009, at 7:31 AM
  • Please join me At Bloomfield August 1st 2009 at 1pm in Banquet Room


    -- Posted by squirrel on Fri, Jul 31, 2009, at 8:34 AM
  • WTF,

    Unless I lived within sight of the school my child was walking to (so that my husband or I could watch them along their way) none of my children would walk alone to school. And no it has little to do with traffic in this town although that is part of it. My biggest reason has to do with stories like this one: http://www.marshallnews.com/story/1557986.html . I try to safeguard my children from things like this. The only place my children go without my supervision is school and I hope they are safe there.

    -- Posted by STLgirlMarshallMom on Fri, Jul 31, 2009, at 9:25 AM
  • Unfortunately abuse can happen anywhere. Home, school and even church. If only kids who walked to school were abused I would say that you have a valid point.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, Jul 31, 2009, at 9:31 AM
  • Hey Squirrel,

    I found this posted on your site.

    "The most pressing point is to defeat this Obamacare. It will legalize killing(or at least just let them die) of anyone who is of no value to the economic picture. Both unborn, infants with defects, and the elderly with bad hips, heart surgeries, medications to give them a better life etc."

    Is this what you believe?

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, Jul 31, 2009, at 9:36 AM
  • Times are changing


    Wake up people!!!!!

    -- Posted by Gal66 on Fri, Jul 31, 2009, at 10:24 AM
  • "The most pressing point is to defeat this Obamacare. It will legalize killing(or at least just let them die) of anyone who is of no value to the economic picture."

    I think this is a pretty fair assesment.. Obamacare is eugenics.. what's your issue, What?

    -- Posted by Third Child on Fri, Jul 31, 2009, at 11:22 AM
  • www.marshallnews.com/story/1558876.html

    "The Banks property is located near Stone Hedge Country Club on South Business Highway 65."

    ...and so it begins. The country club folk will get a shiney new school right in thier neighbor hood and use your money to do it. Meanwhile the four perfectly good school buildings that we have will be left to wither and die. Vote no.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, Jul 31, 2009, at 12:15 PM
  • Third Child,

    I will admit that I haven't read the bill but I am pretty sure that it says abolutley nothing like what your posts suggest.

    "The most pressing point is to defeat this Obamacare. It will legalize killing(or at least just let them die) of anyone who is of no value to the economic picture."

    I'm sure you have read the bill. Maybe you can tell me, spefically where where to find that passage and then I will be on your side. Unfortunaley I think you are the victim of scare tactics hatched by the big money players in this debate. Seriously, do you really believe all that bunk?

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, Jul 31, 2009, at 12:21 PM
  • Dear "Citizens for Truth",

    Please remove my name from your mailing list. I am not sure what your agenda is, but I find your letter a bit troubling. I understand why you didn't sign your name. Is "defamation" in your vocabulary?

    You state "...someone's personal life is simply that". Maybe you should respect that.

    I have to go now and delete my facebook account. I don't want to be perceived as a "predator". I am older than Mr. Raines but have some "friends" who are much younger...

    -- Posted by missy08 on Fri, Jul 31, 2009, at 12:28 PM
  • The Slater Band Story isn't under its headline...

    -- Posted by SalineFire on Fri, Jul 31, 2009, at 1:13 PM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    There isn't a story. It's photo and cutline, which is what appears in today's paper, too.
  • I think we do need a new school. One that houses K-8.

    The current use of 5 buildings is nuts! The trailers are a disgrace!

    The heating and cooling of some buildings is a joke.

    The safety of the children is a BIG issue at some of these schools, any one ever dropping off or picking up at Benton, or Bueker knows what I am talking about.

    One elementary campus means one principal not 5, when one class is larger the movement of teachers would prove to be easier, no need to have 5 secretarial staffs, janitorial staffs.

    Now lets discuss busing. There would be two stops one at the elementary campus and one at the high school none of this back and forth across town, saving money.

    Those are my arguments, and no I do not live in the country club.

    -- Posted by litlmissme on Fri, Jul 31, 2009, at 5:35 PM
  • Educators everywhere have the same mentality, that there's a bottomless pit of money available to build and do whatever they decide.

    Here in San Antonio the property owners for the most part foot the costs of education. A school district gets it in its head to float a bond and voter apathy carries the day for it. The normal voter turnout for an election of that type is around 6%. Disgusting, but predictable.

    -- Posted by Slater on Fri, Jul 31, 2009, at 6:48 PM
  • littlemissme,

    You have confirmed the crux of my arguement for me. If we went back to neighborhood schools each one K-6 as intended there wouldn't be the traffic nightmare's you speak of. Again, this town is no bigger than it was when I went to grade school. I have no problem spending money on the exsting systems but a "new" grade school campus is absurd.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, Jul 31, 2009, at 7:03 PM
  • I grew up in Marshall and walked to school everyday until my Senior year. However, I have to say that with all the crazies out there, I'd give pause to let a very young child walk to school alone.

    Marshall may not be any bigger, however, many of the little country schools are no longer in existence and therefore the kids are bussed into town.

    That being said, I AGREE with K thru 6 in neighborhood schools! Just think; when these schools were no longer able to house all students, if they had just built onto the existing buildings, instead of sitting up trailer after trailer! They would be paid for now and there would be plenty of room. Bad planning?

    -- Posted by nouveaublogger on Fri, Jul 31, 2009, at 7:34 PM
  • Explain to me just how the neighborhood schools would fix the safety situation? You can't possibly think by making the the "town kids" go to the closest school that there won't still be issues with picking up and dropping off process? Also, please enlighten me as to where all the "country kids" would go?

    The buses would still be running the country routes and taking those kids to town to how many different schools?

    -- Posted by litlmissme on Fri, Jul 31, 2009, at 8:51 PM
  • lmme,

    If the town kids went to the nearest school then they could walk or ride a bike. That would alleviate a great deal of all of this "picking up and dropping off" that you have been talking about which has been my point all along.

    Please enlighten me as too all of these specific "safety issues" you keep talking about.

    Are you talking about the little girl who got her leg run over by a "Bus" at the high school a few years ago? That's the only incident that I can remember.

    As far as the country kids they would be bussed to town as always and divided up among the various schools just like they have always been.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, Jul 31, 2009, at 10:56 PM
  • I might have missed a story here and there, but I don't recall anything stated by the school system about safety issues at any of the elementary schools. Yes, the traffic is crowded, but it's not like Marshall is a major metropolitan area. My kids went through this maze everyday and all is well. Quite simply the children who live in the country could go the elementary school closest to their rural district, just like some used to when their schools closed. If only the people who live in these neighborhoods were dropping off and picking up were there, it would be far less traffic around any one particular school, rather than the whole town around one school and trying to beat it across town to another school to pick up other children. And, as far as safety is concerned what about the kids who do walk...would you want your child walking that far out on Business 65? Is the city, then going to be required to build sidewalks all the way down the highway, or would that be the responsibility of the school district? Either way, it will rest on the tax payers.

    -- Posted by nouveaublogger on Fri, Jul 31, 2009, at 10:58 PM
  • born-n-raised ... you're the one who is nuts if you think that the people out there don't want a school located near them. look how spread out that area, and homes are ... it's not like the school is gonna be right next to them, say like ... any of the four elementary schools in town that are concentrated. doesn't matter ... most of the wives out there don't work anyway, so they have plenty of time to drive kids to school. you wouldn't see a single child in those neighborhoods walking to school. they just want it located near them.

    once upon a time i lived in a very nice area that would put stonehedge to shame, was a lot more concentrated in how small the lots were and how close the school was to home, how high the property values were, million dollar homes ... it was a very very high class neighborhood that parents craved to live in cuz of the school system and HOW CLOSE the school was to their home. those parents LOVED being able to walk their kids to school ... i've seen it happen many times, with my children in the same system at the time. so please don't think these people don't want a school located near them, especially cuz it will be blocks away. marshall needs to wake up and get in the real world.

    seems to me this plan to put it on the south side of town will make just about every child in the marshall district eligible to ride a bus to school, considering their "over one mile" policy. i like the idea of keeping the neighborhood schools, but in this time of a president-in-training do we really want to spend 18.5 million plus overcosts that are sure to come just on a school that houses only grades 3-5?

    i've been thinking that for days, that noah and russell are new to the area ... they just don't understand things here. to reply to one poster .. no we aren't stuck in our ways, this just doesn't make any sense at all. not at this time. especially with a huge lawsuit hanging over our heads.

    once again, i'll be voting NOOOOOOOO.

    when will they ever learn? the marshall school district hasn't exactly had any success lately with high school principals/superindentents role ... why would we trust anyone just coming in?

    craig noah ... sit down, shut up, and learn. instead of trying to push something through from your buds looking for a new school next to them.

    we live here, this is our town, our lives, and we care.

    -- Posted by buffetandtrump on Sat, Aug 1, 2009, at 12:01 AM

    -- Posted by buffetandtrump on Sat, Aug 1, 2009, at 12:10 AM
  • Not that anyone has asked but --

    I believe "Citizens for Truth" is probably more like a single citizen with MAYBE a couple of friends or family members encouraging the inappropriate behavior.

    Read a good book, go for a walk, volunteer somewhere. There are more productive ways to spend time and money. Wonder how much money was wasted on this little venture?

    -- Posted by missy08 on Sat, Aug 1, 2009, at 12:50 PM
  • Whatever was posted from "Citizens for Truth" must have been deleted by the editor? I can't seem to find anything about it.. Maybe someone could sum up what was said without crossing paths with the editor? Maybe 'Citizens' could post a link or something?

    -- Posted by Third Child on Sat, Aug 1, 2009, at 2:43 PM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    "Citizens for Truth" was the signature attached to a printed message posted on a number of businesses around the square Friday morning. The contents of the message have not been published on or deleted from this site.
  • Not all English instructors are failed writers...just for the record. :)

    -- Posted by imaloony on Sat, Aug 1, 2009, at 3:00 PM
  • "Citizens" actually sent out a private mailing to several in this community. It has also been reported that the letter may have been dropped in business night drop boxes.

    The letter was malicious and defaming. Of course, it was sent anonymously.

    Beside the accusations made about specific individuals, the letter writer advised recipients "Parents be mindful of your children. Men/Women be mindful of your partners."

    Yeah, like I would take advice from this "citizen".

    -- Posted by missy08 on Sat, Aug 1, 2009, at 3:15 PM
  • My original comment was deleted (rightfully so), so my apologies to the editor because I knew it wouldn't last long. I just had to know if anyone else was outraged by the slander that was forced on Marshall Residents and business owners. I see that a few other recipients agree with me, it is just so obvious who did it and personally I think they made their self look worse than anyone they mentioned in the letter.

    -- Posted by honest opinion on Sat, Aug 1, 2009, at 5:15 PM
  • So it sounds like something happened and now everybody's going to know what happened before it's over.. if it's slander then it's handy the guy's a lawyer.. he should sue if it ain't true..

    -- Posted by Third Child on Sat, Aug 1, 2009, at 5:58 PM
  • My issue with kids walking has nothing to do with how many cars and trucks there are on our streets. It has to do with how society, not the quantity of vehicles, have changed. There are many more meth addicts out there. I believe there is more juvenile crime now. I remember George W.'s father saying, "We need a kinder, gentler nation." Yeah, well it hasn't happened.

    As for the location of the school. When the last bond issue failed, the proposed site was across from Blumhorst Veterinary Clinic. I personally didn't care for that area as there was so much truck traffic on Boyd. I could just see some little kid whose parents work at ConAgra getting themselves up in the morning and heading across Boyd Street on a bike. Folks, it doesn't matter where they try to suggest, there are always going to be complaints.

    As for the k-5 neighborhood schools, our buildings would not hold them now. More trailers, higher cost to build new schools later, more teacher in-service time needed for teachers to get together since each grade level will be in different buildings. This collaboration is a state level recommendation. It's not something made up by Marshall Public Schools.

    Anyone who thinks the present buildings are in good shape has not been in all of them. Bottom line is just how long do we wait? What is the magic number? These buildings are inching toward 90. We need to let them rest in peace!

    -- Posted by oneofmany on Sat, Aug 1, 2009, at 9:29 PM
  • This is off the school subject, I'm sorry for the intervention. However it has to do with our freedom of speech, and is important to every freedom loving American whether left, right or center.

    A bill has been introduced in congress to preserve internet neutrality. If you don't know the meaning of the phrase please read the following link. It is more important than you think. http://www.freepress.net/node/71192

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Aug 2, 2009, at 12:27 AM
  • Just a little humor to lighten things up. I don't know if this is left, right or center, maybe all three? Anyway here it is fair, and unbalanced.http://www.markfiore.com/

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Aug 2, 2009, at 12:55 AM
  • I'll try again.


    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Aug 2, 2009, at 12:57 AM
  • I think the Marshall Democrat News should disable the ability for viewers to post any comments period from now on about any articles! I receive The Marshall Democrat Newspaper on a daily basis and think it is a great newspaper, however, some comments I've seen posted in the past and present about articles have really damaged people mentally, including myself! I know we have the freedom of speech but lately it has gotten out of hand I think! From a concerned citizen!!!

    -- Posted by dwp on Sun, Aug 2, 2009, at 7:24 AM
  • Freedom of speech is, indeed, a very slippery slope. While I agree that some individuals who choose to post to these forums DO possibly overstep the boundaries of what SHOULD be posted (borderline libelous comments naming specific individuals, etc...), I don't think that the real problem here is free speech. I believe that human nature is truly the culprit.

    People tend to do and say things that are inappropriate when they know that they will not be held accountable for them. If people were unable to post things anonymously via username, and required instead to post under their real names, I think, possibly, the damaging comments might be kept to a minimum. In the meantime, if people would just follow the posted rule "Please be respectful of others...", there might be fewer inflammatory/defamatory comments posted on the boards, and fewer insulted readers....

    -- Posted by imaloony on Sun, Aug 2, 2009, at 8:37 AM
  • Third Child it is handy that he is a lawyer. The problem with suing the person or persons who did this is that they weren't legitimate enough to put a name on the slanderous letters just the name of a group that doesn't exist. I invite anyone to say anything they want slanderous or not, I just know if I'm going say damaging things I'm going be man enough to leave my name. I'm not gutless or a coward so I guess that is my big issue. From what I've seen I'm not the only one.

    -- Posted by honest opinion on Sun, Aug 2, 2009, at 9:30 AM
  • Driving his John Deere tractor, Missouri Gulf War Vet, Matt Letterman, barely survives the trip to Washington DC to publicize the fact that many of our soldiers are not being taken care of by the VA and our government. They were good enough to fight and die for us and everybody cheered and waved their Dessert Storm flags at the time, and now these soldiers are being forgotten.

    Matt was able to meet with VA officials but a scheduled interview to be aired on CNN was canceled because of the president's beer party in the Rose Garden. The media has its priorities.

    Matt barely survived the trip from Missouri. He collapsed the next day and is now in a VA hospital. Senator Kit Bond provided some help in the end but this did not have to come to this. If we are going to spend trillions on wars of empire we're going to have to take care of our soldiers. Stop the wars and bring our people home!


    -- Posted by Third Child on Sun, Aug 2, 2009, at 10:03 AM
  • How does everyone know the accusations are false?

    -- Posted by Third Child on Sun, Aug 2, 2009, at 10:13 AM
  • WTF:

    I have have had more than one child go through all of the schools here in Marshall district and the only incident where some one was hurt may have been the girl at the high school, but the potential is there each and every day, specifically at the two schools I mentioned in my earlier post. Safety may not be one of the reasons that the school board has mentioned, but I do not want any of my kids, nor anyone else's hurt in the process of getting to school or going home. Safety is a concern to me and everyone's children in my eyes. Once a child is hurt or worse will you be convinced then?

    That was only one of my concerns, and as stated before I do not live in the country club nor would the new location be convenient to me, but I feel we need a new school to house K-8, that being said I would vote yes. If the building would not include all of the afore mentioned grades my vote would be no, so you are debating a mute point with me, my Friend.

    It has not been proposed to build such a campus, the school board has not yet seen the big picture that more yes votes would be there, if we would build the right school not one that only accommodated part of the elementary body.

    -- Posted by litlmissme on Sun, Aug 2, 2009, at 11:21 AM
  • Well third child I guess I have to ask you to prove that they are true. I happen to know the people who run the (T.L.R.) and know that no one underage is drinking in that establishment. The person who makes these accusations who I will leave unnamed at this point tries to make Mr. Raines look like a predator, but if we look at his own record he employs registered sex offenders who have committed crimes against girls much younger than 17 and you can look it up on the Missouri state highway patrol's website under sex offender registry if you like now that is a fact that can be proven, not hear say, not he said she said, but cold hard fact. Seems the accuser is trying to make someone look like a predator while harboring a true predator.

    -- Posted by honest opinion on Sun, Aug 2, 2009, at 12:02 PM
  • WonderJim that is a marvelous idea I hope they are still up with all the construction but I will mention that to some people who might want to look into it thanks

    -- Posted by honest opinion on Sun, Aug 2, 2009, at 12:06 PM
  • Imaloony,

    I'm in agreement with your assessment of the motivation for the content of some posts.

    The relative security of online anonymity loosens inhibitions and encourages some to speak thoughts they'd otherwise keep to themselves.

    What do you suppose would be a tradeoff if we were required to sign our given names to our posts? Would the energetically spiteful individual then begin showing up at the homes or workplaces of those (s)he disfavors? Maybe.

    We dislike certain of our own characteristics so much that we can't avoid falling prey to them.

    Drew Officer

    a.k.a. Slater

    -- Posted by Slater on Sun, Aug 2, 2009, at 12:24 PM
  • -- Posted by Slater on Sun, Aug 2, 2009, at 12:45 PM
  • About the new school issues, I agree with Slater to a point it is Administrators that think their is a bottomless pit of money not teachers.

    Noah & Russell are new so they need to spend more time surveying exactly what the community wants not what THEY want. Besides Russell does not even live in Marshall or send his own children to Marshall Public Schools so how does he know what the community needs? People need to attend the school board meetings and voice their concerns!

    Little Miss Me made alot of good points about a K-8 building not just a new buiding for some of the elementary grades but ALL. Worth reading maybe the school board, Noah & Russell could consult with her!

    -- Posted by Tito on Sun, Aug 2, 2009, at 4:04 PM
  • FEMA Internment Specialists Wanted

    Be all that you can be, in this new world tyranny


    -- Posted by Third Child on Sun, Aug 2, 2009, at 5:24 PM
  • -- Posted by buffetandtrump on Sun, Aug 2, 2009, at 10:30 PM
  • OK, time to change the subject back to saving the planet and I have a plan. Remember the gas lines of the 70's where you could only get gas on alternate days depending on whether your lis. plate # was odd or even?

    Well, since human breathing emits more carbon dioxide than most anything else because there's so many of us, here's the plan! You can only breath every other day depending on the day of your birth, odd or even.

    Of course, there will have to be exceptions for politicians, health care workers, police and of course me since I came up with the idea.

    And, since plants are what burns and uses carbon dioxide, I suggest all of you do as I do and refuse to mow the lawn when the ballgame is on. "Just trying to save the planet, dear! The more grass and trees, the less carbon stuff." WT aka Robert Abney

    -- Posted by White Tornado on Sun, Aug 2, 2009, at 10:32 PM
  • hmmm ... ok, care to explain why a link that shows obama's birth certificate from africa was deleted, not once, but twice, also on monnig's blog? yet the certificate of birth in hawaii, with no signatures, is allowed? must be the democrat in the democrat news coming out ...

    -- Posted by buffetandtrump on Sun, Aug 2, 2009, at 11:11 PM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    Sure. It wasn't deleted twice. The comment on Speak Out remains, and the one on Ron's blog was deleted by mistake and has been restored. My apologies.
  • buffettandtrump: You asked for an explanation of the document purported to be Obama's Kenyan birth certificate. It is a fake. The document states it is from The Republic of Kenya. It is my understanding that Kenya was not a republic on the date of that document's origination.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Aug 3, 2009, at 2:20 AM
  • buffetandtrump: In case my response provoked an "oh yeah?" from you here are more details. The hoaky document is dated February 17th, 1964. Kenya became a republic on December 12th, 1964.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Aug 3, 2009, at 2:30 AM
  • Ok I have a few things I want to talk about....On Saturday I walked into Family Dollar Store and to my surprise the store is closing in 1 week. This saddened me immediatly. I am guessing that its because of the new dollar store coming into town. Now that its closing what about people who dont have transportation who walk there to get their monthy/weekly supplies they need have to walk all the way out to walmart as there is no taxi service anymore. It just saddens me. nd on another note the new "DONUT" SHOP. How many people have been able to get a 'DONUT" from there. For the last several weekend i have one up there by 8-8:30 and there is alwaays a sing "SOLD OUT". Obviously they are not making enough or something the sign says they open at 4 am now come on actually how many people are going to be up at 4 am for them to sell out in 4 hrs. Come on guys start getting it right or you will be they next to be closing your doors. I will just stick with Wal-mart glazed donuts YUM

    -- Posted by marshallmom67 on Mon, Aug 3, 2009, at 4:23 AM
  • buffett and trump,

    Where would you be if John McCain had been elected president? He wasn't born in the US. He was born in the Panama Canal zone.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Mon, Aug 3, 2009, at 7:09 AM
  • The Donut,

    Give them time to get the hang of things. I have had thier donuts and they are fine. As far as being sold out all the time, they will need a little time to determine the best times to be open and how many to make compared to average daily sales without ending up with too many leftovers. Just give them time to work out the kinks.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Mon, Aug 3, 2009, at 7:13 AM
  • It's only slander if the person saying it knows it's a lie that's meant to defame.

    Whoever wrote it knows what he believes. Who else here knows anything about the subject?

    -- Posted by Third Child on Mon, Aug 3, 2009, at 8:48 AM
  • The people/persons behind Citizens for Truth can't stay anonymous forever. It is bound to get out who the member(s) might be at some point. Not sure if they knew the extent of the legal trouble they have brought on themself with the slanderous letter, but once they are outed, the consequences for their actions will be tenfold. Hopefully justice will prevail sooner rather than later.

    -- Posted by fitgirl_7 on Mon, Aug 3, 2009, at 9:04 AM
  • Wonder Jim: Don't let others' comments deter you from trying the treats at The Donut. I think they're pretty tasty, and plenty of other folks obviously do, too, or they wouldn't be selling out every day.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Mon, Aug 3, 2009, at 9:06 AM
  • I have a couple of questions...maybe a kind sole here can point me in the correct direction.

    1) "Citizens Of Truth" sage...I didn't get a letter but I would like to read the content or get some details. Is there a link or a post or...?

    2) The school issue...can someone tell me dollars and cents what this will cost...not a total (18.5 mil or some such)...but what I am looking at forking out. Will it be an increase in already high taxes? Sales Tax? Property taxes?

    Sorry to ramble, or if you can just provide a link that would be so helpful. Thanks much!! ;)

    -- Posted by Scarpetta on Mon, Aug 3, 2009, at 10:50 AM

    PART 1


    "...some opponents of Humanism have accused us of wishing to overthrow the traditional Christian family. They are right. That is exactly what we intend to do."[1] The British Humanist Association,1969

    "...if you give me any normal human being and a couple of weeks, ...I can change his behavior from what it is not to whatever you want it to be.... I can turn him from a Christian into a Communist.... We can control behavior."[2] Psychology Professor James McConnell, 1966

    "Article 13. "The child shall have the right to freedom of expression; this right shall include freedom to seek, receive and impart information and ideas of all kinds, regardless of frontiers...."[3] Convention on the Rights of the Child

    -- Posted by Third Child on Mon, Aug 3, 2009, at 10:57 AM
  • -- Posted by Gal66 on Mon, Aug 3, 2009, at 11:18 AM
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