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911 commission hears of complaints about rural address markers (Updated: 1:20 p.m. 6/23/09)

Friday, June 19, 2009

Saline County 911 Commission members heard from several people during their meeting Thursday, June 18, including community members with questions or complaints about rural address markers and the addressing scheme within Marshall.

Director Pam Teague gave a report of the complaints she has received in relation to the rural address markers, which included 28 reports of incorrect markers placed near a resident's driveway, six reports of no markers placed by residents' homes, 18 requests that the commission approve markers' relocation and three calls from residents who dislike the way markers look.

Most of the requests to move a marker are due to concerns about mowing around it, said Teague.

A total of 2,700 rural address markers have been placed to date, she said.

She added that she has also received many calls thanking the commission for the markers, as well as "confessions" that the caller had moved the sign placed near his or her driveway.

At least two signs, Teague said, have been removed from the post and placed on buildings or the resident's mailbox, and there is at least one case of someone repeatedly removing a marker and placing it in a ditch.

The board discussed the requests to move markers, and decided that as long as a marker's new location fits the guidelines set by Saline County Ordinance no. 2009-001, there would be no problem with relocating the markers. Teague or Assistant Director Stacie Smith will inspect each marker with an associated relocation request and meet with the resident to ensure that the new location that resident desires for the marker's placement is consistent with the guidelines spelled out in Ordinance no. 2009-001. Then, markers will either be moved by Sign-Up Ltd. or that resident, depending on the decision of the Saline County 911 Administration Office.

Ordinance no. 2009-001 states, in part, that markers must be located between 15 and 30 feet of the driveway, must be visible from both directions and must be obvious in its reference to a driveway.

Commission members reminded those present that Missouri One-Call must be contacted before moving any address markers.

Commission member Cathie Jeffries mentioned one woman who called her, concerned because the placement of the rural address marker had cut her phone line, and she was worried that she might be liable for the cost of fixing it.

One board member wondered aloud if perhaps Missouri One-Call had not been contacted for this address.

The commission heard from an unidentified woman with complaints about the rural address markers, among other things.

"I don't see why people have to have a sign if they don't want one. I mean, people move out of town because they don't want to follow all these regulations, they want some freedom to do what they want, and if they don't want to be found, why are you all making such a big deal out of it?" she asked

"Because the simple goal of addressing each one of these properties is, in times of emergency, that property can be located, we can cut down our response time," said Vice President John Rieves.

The woman offered her opinion that the commission had wasted the more than $40,000 paid to Sign-Up Ltd. for residential markers.

"Is one life worth $40,000?" asked commission member Jesse Coslet.

Rieves gave an update on the progress of the 911 Dispatch Center's construction.

The newly projected date on which the building will be ready for use has been moved from the end of August to Oct. 1.

Instead, the commission will apply for a credit card with the Bank of Slater. The card will have a credit limit of $1,500 and will be used for "incidentals," said Rieves.

The commission voted to place advertisements in local media outlets to accept applications for positions of receptionist and telecommunicators, among others.

The commission discussed the use of Language Line, a service that will allow dispatchers to, if they receive a call from a non-English speaker, bring an interpreter on the line with the push of a button.

There is an annual charge for access to this service as well as a charge per minute of use.

The commission made no decision on this topic, tabling it for further discussion at the next meeting,

Cushing Technologies Inc. will provide the Computer-Aided Dispatch system that will be used in the 911 dispatch center, voted commission members.

According to Marshall Fire Chief John Rieves, the dispatch center will initially also run the CAD system developed by Information Technologies Inc., which is currently in use by the Marshall Police Department, the Sweet Springs Police Department and the Saline County Sheriff's Department.

One reason the commission decided to go with the software from Cushing Technologies, Rieves said, is because the ITI software is not compatible with ProQ&A for dispatch purposes, meaning that when dispatchers receive a call dealing with a medical issue, the ITI software will not allow them to go through the question-and-answer process of working to diagnose the problem before emergency responders arrive.

The Cushing Technologies software is compatible with ProQ&A, said Teague.

"Many other dispatch centers run more than one CAD system in order to assist the agencies they dispatch for more efficiently," she added.

A StarZ Simulator, for use in testing, training and evaluation of dispatch employees and employment applicants, will be purchased, the commission voted.

Besides Teague, Reives, Coslet and Jeffries, commission President John Fletcher, treasurer Jack Lenz Jr. and member Corbin Allred were present.

Cindy Schroeder was absent.

Contact Geoff Rands at marshallreporter@socket.net

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Totally confused. Isnt Jesse Coslet in law enforcement? How could someone confuse him for the "ambulance director"? Is this because he serves on the ambulance board? Also what does the ambulance board have to do with the 911 commission meetings? The comments posted here seem very confusing. Also why does everyone find Corbin Allred so "threatening"? Did he not just defend a fellow board member from being accused of making a statement that he believes the "accused" Jesse Coslet did not make? Why are the 911 commission board members having to defend anything to the public that is posting here when the public is going on hear say instead of first hand knowledge? Perhaps instead of us good citizens making assumptions we should all show up to the meetings and get an ear on whats going on instead of playing the white elephant game. I guess I started reading too late to have seen the comment that was made about the physical condition of ambulance personnel that has been apparently now removed. Could someone please enlighten me as to why the physical condition of the ambulance personnel is being discussed? and to boot, being discussed at a 911 commission meeting?

-- Posted by eyeballonu on Mon, Jun 22, 2009, at 10:19 PM

That's not what the Freedom of Information Act is for, Corbin. Your post sounds threatening and intimidating. Normally, I would report your post, but I won't because I think it's a good example of how committee members like yourself are acting and how they are using scare tactics against anyone who speaks out. If you know anything about anyone on this board it's because you have a friend somewhere and who's to say any of the information is correct. My family and friends know all about this so if something happens to me they know who to talk to first.



-- Posted by rowdybusch4president on Mon, Jun 22, 2009, at 1:24 PM

Why would Corbin say something like, "we know who you are." Are you kidding me, GROW UP! Your not going to take away my free speech, and last time I checked my government is still based on the constitution. So what are you going to do, come spray me with your big water hose?

-- Posted by decent on Sun, Jun 21, 2009, at 11:15 PM

Allred sounds like a real bully. Is this an example of the committee?

-- Posted by shortfuse on Sun, Jun 21, 2009, at 4:14 PM

The Freedom of Information Act is only for requesting information from Federal government agencies. The last time I checked the Democrat News Website was not a Federal agency.

-- Posted by lilmommaof10 on Sun, Jun 21, 2009, at 1:55 PM

Corbin Allred,

You don't need to go around threatening people. So far Obama hasn't taken away our right to free speech. If a committee member is saying threatening things about a tax payer then we need to know.

-- Posted by lilmommaof10 on Sun, Jun 21, 2009, at 1:18 PM

Nonnymus. The initial process for implementing the enhanced 911 system was to GPS map the entire county. The problem with over the counter GPS, which are in all the ambulances, is that you have to have an address to put into them. Garmin has been contacted about the mapping update so eventually the maps will be updated for this county. Emergency providers will have enhanced equipment with many different points of information to find an address.

-- Posted by wkelling on Sat, Jun 20, 2009, at 11:32 PM

With the low cost of GPS, why don't all ambulance, fire and police vehicles have GPS units that incorporate the known address locations within the county? For instance, using Google Mobile Maps on even my PDA telephone, I can locate a street address and get directions to it.

I am certainly not knocking the need for signs/markers at the rural and urban homes, but wonder if a concerted effort by even volunteers to make sure the homes in Saline County were "known" to sites like Google Maps wouldn't also be worth the effort.

-- Posted by Nonnymus on Sat, Jun 20, 2009, at 7:07 PM

I wasn't at the meeting, but read the comment (now removed) that someone did say something about shoving a sign you-know-where.

So I ask the question - did someone really make that comment? And, if so, was it an official who said it or an audience member?

Could we get the real story? If it was an official, the public needs to know.

(If it was an audience member, they should learn to control their temper and public behavior.)

-- Posted by Tori on Sat, Jun 20, 2009, at 1:30 PM

If you all are going to talk about things you know nothing about, then get your facts straight before you open your mouth and show how stupid you really are. Courtesy of the freedom of information act, we do know who you are. Jesse Coslet sat right beside me and never said any comment about the road signs being shoved anywhere. You all are just a handfull that will never be satisfied.

Corbin Allred

-- Posted by callred on Sat, Jun 20, 2009, at 8:04 AM

I would like to clearify that Jesse Coslet is not the ambulance director. He is a ambulance board member. I am the ambulance director and I did not attend this meeting.

-- Posted by wkelling on Sat, Jun 20, 2009, at 1:29 AM

Wow, I'm very disappointed in the behavior of the ambulance director at this meeting. I can't believe he would say something so immature, unprofessional, and rude about a another citizen that simply disagrees with him. After all the taxpayers of this county has done for him, like pay for his massive new ambulance building, he has no right to treat any one of them disrespectfully. If he can't handle this kind of situation without losing his cool, how can he handle stressful, chaotic ambulance calls? Maybe it's time for Jesse Coslet to resign his position on the board.

-- Posted by decent on Fri, Jun 19, 2009, at 11:12 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
As has been noted above, the director of Saline County Ambulance District No. 3 was not at the meeting in question.

Sounds like an Obama bleeding-heart to me!

-- Posted by shortfuse on Fri, Jun 19, 2009, at 4:59 PM

No, Shortfuse, I am not a "wanna be committee member". I am someone who appreciates the hard work that these folks have put in, and would rather thank them than pick at every decision made. And, yes, you do have to wait for an ambulance (we don't have the magic of teletransporting yet), and sometimes it is quicker to take the person to the hospital. That is one of the realities of living in the country. But, there are also times that the patient isn't in any condition for an amateur to transport them (e.g. too seriously injured, back or neck injury), or they are trapped in a vehicle or farm implement and have to be extricated, etc.

And don't forget that the 911 system isn't just for ambulances, it's also for the fire and sheriff's department. I certainly want them to be able to find me if I need them.

-- Posted by cmasretire on Fri, Jun 19, 2009, at 4:41 PM

cmasretire: You sound like a wanna be committee member who didn't get picked. Besides that, in rural Saline County it's quicker, easier, and cheaper to take the person to the hospital yourself. If you call the ambulance then you have to wait for them to drive all the way out and then all the way back to tha hospital. Every second counts. There's a whole lot more people being dropped off by family members at the emergency room than by ambulance.

-- Posted by shortfuse on Fri, Jun 19, 2009, at 3:00 PM

Rather than nit-pick every decision, we should all applaud the 911 Commission for the extremely difficult, and in many cases, thankless job they have done. I suspect that many of the people complaining about every little thing are the ones who would be griping the loudest if an emergency vehicle couldn't find their house.

-- Posted by cmasretire on Fri, Jun 19, 2009, at 1:27 PM
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