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Tuesday, May 19, 2009

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Clear majority now back public option: poll

http://rawstory.com/2009/10/clear-majori...

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Oct 20, 2009, at 8:47 AM

Oklahoma Reader

I really enjoyed reading your most recent comment.

You have a wonderful sense of humor, and a comical way of expressing the truth.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Jun 30, 2009, at 6:02 PM

Third Child,

Sedition is not free thought. Sedition is not the Constitution. Sedition is not global warming or those who support global warming, nor is it those who oppose global warming.

Sedition is the calling for armed revolt against the United States Government and it is a crime...so says the Supreme Court of the United States ((Schenck v. United States, 249 U.S. 47 (1919), Debs v. United States, 249 U.S. 211 (1919), Gitlow v. New York, 268 U.S. 652 (1925), Dennis v. United States 341 U.S. 494 (1951)). Sedition is a serious crime and folks have gone to prison for it before, and it looks like some may go to prison for it again.

In another matter, recently a right wing extremist blogger, Harold "Hal" Turner, was arrested and charged for urging people to kill 3 Chicago Federal Judges (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/wire/sns-ap-us-judges-murder-threats,1,6778202.story). He was also just recently denied bail and is facing a potentially long stretch in prison. We the People will not tolerate right-wing extremists continuing to break our laws like their leaders Bush and Cheney did any more than we will tolerate drug dealers or bank robbers breaking our laws.

Finally Third Child, don't worry about who I am...I live way, way, way down on the other side of the Earth in Australia and you don't know me.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Jun 30, 2009, at 5:57 PM

Good video: new world order

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjsiGLxT9...

Alex Jones, Judge Andrew Napolitano, Jeremy Scahill, Jesse Ventura, Dennis Kucinich, Gerald Celente, Peter Schiff and Ron Paul speak truth to power.

-- Posted by Third Child on Tue, Jun 30, 2009, at 1:28 PM

Good job! Calling us monkeys while denying you are calling us monkeys. Good job..

-- Posted by Third Child on Tue, Jun 30, 2009, at 1:25 PM

News Across- It is my opinion that your posts are well reasoned, and a pleasure to read. I always enjoy them.

On the other hand, I also enjoy the postings of those who represent the far right. They are a constant source of amusement. I chuckle each time I see such postings because they consistently pick a figure head to bash who represents the antithesis of their own position. Then they lambast that individual with adjectives not often heard this side of an elementary school yard such as knucklehead, stupid, crazy,and worse. It is as if they fly into such an internal rage at the mere thought of an opposing position that brain lock occurs, they revert to a primitive state that results in chatter such as you might hear upon encountering a colony of monkeys threatened by a leopard in a near by tree. It is not that I am calling the far right monkeys you understand, I would not want to offend either party subjected to the comparison.

However, it is my opinion that it was a sad day for the Republican Party when this faction became its dominating power. They have devolved so far from Goldwater conservatism that relevant voices nationally, and even rational positions of local conservative voices such as White Tornado, and others go unheard by the ersatz G.O.P.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Jun 30, 2009, at 12:38 PM

'News Across' whoever that is, seems to be repeating some sort of a patterned script that fears and attacks free thought, free speech and evidently, freedom in general. The idiot Paul Krugman, just came out with an article that said anyone who does not believe as he does on global warming is guilty of "treason against the planet."

It will be off with the heads of anyone that doesn't agree that the sky is falling! Those that do not wish to pay a serfdom tax to Al Gore and global bankers for the privilege of breathing are now to be classified as treasonous criminals. Dissent is treason. The Constitution is sedition.

Here is a list of 31,478 American scientists that disagree with Al Gore's tax scheme and his calculated distortions of scientific evidence.

http://www.petitionproject.org/

Butler Shaffer writes of Krugman and like minds:

"That slugs like Krugman can get away with such mindless proposals is a tribute to the school system and the media, which have combined to create minds incapable of empirical and analytical thought. Perhaps the federal "hate crime" legislation being hustled through Congress - and without media attention - would better suit Krugman's penchant for mind-control. One provision of the bill would criminalize speech uttered with "intent to . . . cause substantial emotional distress to a person. . . ." All Krugman would have to allege is that he is a "person" who suffers "substantial emotional distress" whenever the tens of thousands of scientists deny the human causation of global warming. (On the other hand, what about the rest of us who suffer such "emotional distress" whenever Krugman and his ilk speak?) One advocacy group for this measure would go so far as to apply it to those who support the Second Amendment! (Is the Constitution a piece of "hate literature?")

And how would we know whether anyone made statements with such "intent" to cause "distress?" CBS' "Sixty Minutes" had a segment on last night's show revealing work being done by neuro-scientists that will permit - "within 3 to 5 years," according to one - the reading of brains to identify the specific content of one's thinking. (Who would have an incentive to fund such research???)

And if none of this works out for Krugman and the rest of the mind-control crowd, they can always fall back on the ultimate police-state offense provided by the late Kurt Vonnegut: "suspicion of intent to conspire."

-- Posted by Third Child on Tue, Jun 30, 2009, at 8:59 AM

NanaDot,

I was not referring about anyone specifically in this forum. Nor did I address anyone specifically or name names. However, there are some extremists in some other forums who claim they are militia members and who have been calling for armed rebellion against the United States as well as attempting to recruit others to their armed rebellion.

As to the legality of such calls for armed rebellion, such are not protected by 1st Amendment free speech provisions. Sedition is unlawful, is not free speech, and has been tested in the Supreme Court (Schenck v. United States, 249 U.S. 47 (1919), Debs v. United States, 249 U.S. 211 (1919), Gitlow v. New York, 268 U.S. 652 (1925), Dennis v. United States 341 U.S. 494 (1951)). The High Court has ruled in these cases that some speech (sedition, recruitment to armed rebellion, ect) is not protected speech.

Further, it is not the practice of the Government to put a criminal violator of the Treason and Sedition Act, TITLE 18, PART I, CHAPTER 115 on any lists of any kind. It is the practice of the United States Attorney General's office to prosecute violators and, upon conviction, sentence them to prison for as long as 20 years depending on the specific charge (see the links to the Federal Acts I posted below or you can go to this link for more information: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/usc....

It should be remembered that the United States Government has a right and an obligation to defend itself and the People of the United States against all enemies...both foreign and domestic and these laws are designed to do just that.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Jun 30, 2009, at 2:11 AM

Midmocat, your statement that trial attorneys add fifty percent to the cost of health care is incorrect. Where do you get your statistics? You should not trust the source of that whopper in the future.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Jun 30, 2009, at 12:48 AM

very well said midmocat. amen to all that!

-- Posted by aikman8 on Mon, Jun 29, 2009, at 11:41 PM

A great man once said, "i love pot pies".

-- Posted by SecretAgentMichaelScarn on Mon, Jun 29, 2009, at 10:43 PM

Quoting Churchill:

A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.

Eric, is it time to turn the page on this collection of Speak Outs?

It's nice to note that the all cap SHOUT OUTS are fewer:}

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Mon, Jun 29, 2009, at 9:19 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
It is. I'll get to that today. Thanks for the reminder.

I don't know about you folks, but I have about had it with the nonsense we are hearing from right-wing extremists who threaten to commit terrorist acts and threaten armed rebellion against the United States of America...and all because they lost a couple of elections.

You conservative extremists lost the election, and that is just how it works sometimes. It was the will of the People. You lost your political majority because your policies and your extremist ideology failed America. You lost because We the People, as represented by majority vote, rejected your failed policies, lies, corruption and your running our economy right into the ground. So we fired your leaders and hired a whole new Party. That is what elections are for...the peaceful transition from one Party's control to another. Now the extremists want to threaten civil war. Their ridiculous message is simple, "let us rule you no matter what or we will make war on the USA."

One has to wonder exactly how they think they will pull that off. They don't have an army. They don't have a navy. They don't have an air force. We the People do have an army, an air force, and a navy...and in fact its the strongest, most powerful military force in the World. It is well equipped, well trained, and they take their orders from our President.

Finally, the extremists should consider a few legalities in the meantime. It is a serious crime to even threaten armed rebellion or to call for others to join such a rebellion. Below are just a few of the crimes the extremists are threatening to commit and some they have already committed.

1.) Treason: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/usc...

2.) Misprision of treason: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/usc...

3.) Rebellion or insurrection: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/usc...

4.) Seditious conspiracy: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/usc...

5.) Advocating overthrow of Government: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/usc...

6.) Recruiting for service against United States: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/usc...

7.) Enlistment to serve against United States: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/usc...

At a time when the American people, good, hard working people, are trying hard to deal with the hardships caused by the Bush depression and reverse the downward spiraling economy given to us by 8 years of Republican control of the White House and 6 years of absolute Republican control of the Congress, all we get from the same crowd that caused this enormous problem are threats of terrorism and civil war. I think its time someone makes it clear to these extremists that we aren't going to take such threats lying down. I hope the FBI will make the appropriate arrests and send a strong message to anyone who would threaten the American people with violence. We are a Nation of laws. If you are going to break our laws, we will put you in prison. Its that simple.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Jun 29, 2009, at 6:18 PM

Governor Sanford is a good example of Republican hypocrisy as are the most recent conservative talking points regarding Sanford's apparently insatiable lust.

When John Edwards was busted cheating on his wife, the Republicans were screaming for blood. However, since Sanford is a Republican, the Republicans have become surprisingly forgiving of his cheating on his wife.

Sanford has not only cheated his wife by his immoral extramarital affair, but by using taxpayer dollars to visit his mistress... on several occasions, he has also cheated his South Carolinian constituency.

Governor Sanford...do the right thing and resign now. Perhaps in doing so you may manage to at least demonstrate some level of honor...minuscule as it may be.

Republicans and conservatives...stop your hypocrisy and demand this adulterer resign immediately. Perhaps in doing so you may manage to at least demonstrate some level of honor...minuscule as it may be.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Jun 29, 2009, at 6:48 AM

In defense of Mark Sanford, unlike so many that get into such pickles, he seems to truly be in love. Not just a dalliance like so many in that situation. Love makes a man (people?) do many odd things.

I just got the woman I love a $2,000 exercise machine that I can barely afford but I can't bear to think of living life without her if her health fails. After all, we were married for 32 years and are back together after a 5 or 6 year hiatus (divorce for tax reasons mostly).

And, after seeing Gov. Sanford's wife who seems to be rather cool and unfeeling, I fully empathize with him. She made no comment about repairing the riff, only referred to the kids which I understand except there was room to mention considering how to reconciliate.

I do recognize the problem of being a Gov. and not being contactable in the event of a problem. That I find perplexing and maybe even unforgiveable if he didn't at least let someone in his office know how to contact him or let the Lt. Gov. know he/she was in charge.

Love in not only blind, it's stupid sometimes. WT

-- Posted by White Tornado on Sun, Jun 28, 2009, at 11:08 PM

I guess it's just a bad week to be famous at any age...Gale Storm, 87, of "My Little Margie," and "The Gale Storm Show," early 50s TV shows, died today, too.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Sun, Jun 28, 2009, at 9:04 PM

Looks like it's a bad week to be 50 and famous - Michael Jackson on Thursday, today TV pitchman Billy Mays, dead of as-yet-unknown cause.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Sun, Jun 28, 2009, at 1:45 PM

AFW, it appears you may have an opportunity to recover at least a portion of your "investment" with good ol' Bernie.

-- Posted by Slater on Sat, Jun 27, 2009, at 10:28 AM

NanaDot,

Your comment illustrates a very important point about the Earth and about us.

There is a simple experiment that can be done (and has been done many times) to illustrate the problem with finite environments (all environments are finite) that also further illustrates your excellent point.

step 1: get an aquarium with a screen top

step 2: place a sugar/water mixture on the bottom

step 3: put 8 fruit flies into the aquarium

step 4: observe what happens over the next few

days

In order to save you time, I can tell you what will happen...but of course anyone with any doubts is welcome to repeat the experiment and will find they will get the same results. The fruit fly population will grow very quickly for the first few days...then...mysteriously...all of a sudden most of the fruit flies will disappear. They have plenty of air and food yet they disappear. Why? The answer is that they have been excreting waste...and the waste has been gathering quickly. After a period of time they die as a result of the mounting waste.

Our Earth is much like the aquarium. It is finite. I often ask folks what they think happens to the waste we put into the air. Every now and then they tell me it "dissipates" into outer-space...ignoring the laws of physics. Of course it doesn't dissipate into space...it remains on planet Earth...gathering.

Carbon in the air (CO2) causes greenhouse effects. I know of no reputable scientist that would dispute that. We also know what can happen with run-away greenhouse effects. We have only to look at the Planet Venus to see what can happen over a very long time. Venus began almost identical to the Earth. However, our Earth developed natural forces that cause our carbon to take a form other than CO2 and it stores in those other forms. These forces prevented run-away greenhouse effects on Earth...so far. However, when you add man into the mix, the amount of carbon that ends up in the atmosphere tilts the balance. We are fortunate that there is a natural process that helps store the carbon in other forms. However, we won't be so fortunate if the CO2 greenhouse effect shuts down the Atlantic Convection. I guess one could say at least it won't be real hot...lol. However, it can lead to global cooling and that means a long period of glaciation and glaciation means most of the Northern and Southern hemispheres possibly being covered with ice, and scientists have estimated that once the Atlantic Convection shuts down, the glaciation could begin spreading across continents as soon as 3 years.

Now they could be wrong. After all, there are few absolutes. However, for me the question is this. Do we simply do nothing significant to fight global warming and take our chances or do we fight global warming with little cost relative to the cost of many generations of humans living in a new ice age, a stone age existence, in the hopes of at least putting the ice age off to a point way into the future when we may have the technology to better deal with it?

For the conservatives, the answer seems to be to do nothing significant and hope for the best. I find that unacceptable and plan to cast my vote for the side that wants to at least try to stand and fight the effects of global warming. That is one good reason I will be voting a straight democrat ticket in 2010 and 2012.

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Jun 27, 2009, at 2:16 AM

TC, I beg to differ! Only Harry Callahan could legitimately call other humans, "maggots."

-- Posted by Slater on Fri, Jun 26, 2009, at 6:30 PM

Cheetah!

I heard the donut shop owner is giving away one cup of Kopi with each carton of 12 (mixed selection) sold at regular price during this weekend only! E.Coli notwithstanding. (heh heh)

-- Posted by Slater on Fri, Jun 26, 2009, at 6:21 PM

"those other planets don't have people or plants or oxygen"

Yet they heated up.. what caused that, Nana D?

David Suzuki, thinks humans are maggots.

I assume this would include Democrats..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsLOcZQhe...

One of the goals of the enviro-mental movement has been to cheapen the value of human life in people's minds, making people feel guilty for their existence on this planet. This ties in with the emerging New Age religion of Gaia worship, which places the value of nature above all else, including human life. This makes sense once you realize that the people behind this anti-human propaganda, which Suzuki is merely a mouthpiece for, want to cull 80-90% of the world's population to make way for the coming New Age and a world utopia of the chosen few. The mantra of radical environmentalists is that humans are parasites, as seen in this clip of an unwashed David Suzuki comparing humans to fruit flies and maggots. David Suzuki is an environmental activist who is big especially up in Canada, and has for years been preaching about how humans are a cancer to the earth.

-- Posted by Third Child on Fri, Jun 26, 2009, at 6:17 PM

Well, did it open? Did the donut shop open as advertised? I'll bet there's a throng of people lined up.

When the Krispy Kreme shop here on the northwest side of San Antonio opened, the news people came out and talked to the patrons as they emerged with their "treasures." When asked which is his favorite, one customer looked at the donut in his hand and said, "Whichever one I have in my hand."

Editor Crump, I do hope someone is there covering the grand opening!

-- Posted by Slater on Fri, Jun 26, 2009, at 6:14 PM

Already we can see the economic policies of President Obama and the Democrat Congress beginning to pull us out of the Bush depression:

"US consumer spending rises as incomes surge"

http://rawstory.com/news/afp/US_consumer...

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Jun 26, 2009, at 6:02 PM

Third Child

Actually, only neoclassical economic policies have been used since the days of Reagan and especially under Bush. The result was the 2nd great economic depression caused by the conservatives' use of neoclassical economics. However, it was Keynesian economic policies of FDR that saved our Nation from economic collapse which is why by 1940 we were well into recovery...a full year before Germany declared war on the USA.

As to your denial of man made global warming, most scientists disagree with you. Its time you wake up and realize the do-nothing approach of neocons is a complete and utter failure. However, whether or not you wake up is of no consequence since neocons are now powerless in Congress and since we Democrats have a firm hold of the White House as well. Get used to it!

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Jun 26, 2009, at 5:22 PM

News Across,

Keynsesian economics is the reason the country is bankrupt, taking the world down with it, and more of the same is going to make it worse..

CO2 is not a pollutant. CO2 has fluctuated up to 14 times the amount present today, before the advent of SUVs..

The "hockey stick" graph that Al Gore uses to tie elevated CO2 to rising temps is off by 800 years meaning that CO2 increases after rising temps, not before. The Earth thrived in this rich CO2 environment and was not destroyed.

Other planets in our solar system, without the help of humans or SUVs, have similar temperature fluctuations to Earth because of SOLAR fluctuations..

Al Gore is set to make billions on Cap and Trade and it is not going to change Earth's temperatures by one degree. It is a global tax scam that ignores the true pollutants that are poisoning our planet.

Stop believing this big lie and try to focus on real problems.. things that humans can actually do something about. The sky is not falling because of CO2.

-- Posted by Third Child on Fri, Jun 26, 2009, at 4:43 PM

CORRECTION:

In my comment below entitled "American Clean Energy And Security Act of 2009: HR2454:" I said "...this Bill enjoys wide partisan support in both Houses of Congress."

I meant to say "this Bill enjoys wide BI-partisan support in both Houses of Congress."

I apologize for any confusion this typo may have caused.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Jun 26, 2009, at 4:26 PM

American Clean Energy And Security Act of 2009: HR2454:

In 2007, Australia became the most recent Industrialized Nation to sign the Kyoto Agreement which is a World-Wide response to the industrial pollution that is attributed to being a major cause of Global Warming. This now leaves the United States the ONLY industrialized NATION in the World to NOT sign the Kyoto agreement(http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/12/071203-AP-aus-kyoto.html).

While normally the World leader in the struggle to establish and maintain a livable World environment, the United States of America has, in this instance, failed our citizens and the World by ignoring the dangers of Global Warming and the resulting, ultimate shutting down of the Atlantic Convection which is the mechanism by which our Planet naturally distributes warm waters to the Northern and Southern hemispheres. Such a shut down could result in a new and severe ice age with many scientists predicting that much of our Country would end up under miles thick ice sheets in a relatively short period of time (http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2004/05mar_arctic.htm).

Finally, we do see some positive, constructive steps on the part of Congress to fall in line with the rest of the 1st World nations in addressing the dangers of Global Warming (and ultimately, global freezing). While still short of the efforts of the rest of the Industrialized nations, HR 2454 (http://www.rules.house.gov/111/LegText/111_hr2454.pdf), "the American Clean Energy And Security Act of 2009" brings us one step closer to finally taking action on this important issue. While there are some amongst the extreme right-wing of the Republican Party and other ultra-right wing conservative radicals who oppose this bill...and oppose any significant legislation that would address Global Warming, this Bill enjoys wide partisan support in both Houses of Congress. Finally, after 8 years of the "Do-Nothing" approach of conservatives in Congress, we finally see some real change and progress to preserving a sustainable environment for our Children and Grandchildren to flourish in. Finally, we see our Government taking real steps towards ensuring that generations of Americans to come will have the opportunity to live and work in a World with a stable climate.

Folks, don't allow the do-nothing conservatives to continue to prevent action on Global Warming. The time for action has come. I urge everyone to contact their Representative and Senators Bond and McCaskill and ask them to support this initiative.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Jun 26, 2009, at 2:43 PM

I don't have TV anymore but I hear the only thing being covered is Michael Jackson, while a literal tax on breathing is being rushed through Congress, HR 2454, that will be the absolute total destruction of what is left of this country.. It's not even being discussed.. Overnight, 300 new pages were added to an already 1500 pages that no one has had the ability to read and study but the our pathetic representatives are most likely going to vote this thing in today..

Try this number to call Ike Skelton 800 833 6354

His office doesn't know his position on this..

Yeah right..

-- Posted by Third Child on Fri, Jun 26, 2009, at 11:55 AM

It has been a week since Speedway Sue and Old Black cat asked for clarification on the new guidelines for care of pets. Has there been a followup on the dogs which have been mentioned in this forum? Marshall has had a number of raging storms followed by recordbreaking high temperatures, not easy to endure by humans or pets. The AARP bulletin for June 2009 has a story about a rescued dog who was in such bad shape, he was slated for euthanasia. A couple took pity on him, when a pat on his head earned a heartfelt lick on the hand. You can read it on line @ bulletin.aarp.org/. The article is by Sue McCrosky, Sugar Hill, GA. (A sweet story:}

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Thu, Jun 25, 2009, at 8:24 PM

r.i.p. michael jackson and farrah fawcett

-- Posted by buffetandtrump on Thu, Jun 25, 2009, at 5:34 PM

R.I.P. Farrah Fawcett and Michael Jackson

-- Posted by Scarpetta on Thu, Jun 25, 2009, at 5:31 PM

I moved back to Marshall a few months ago. I do not have school age children, so I did not know anything about the Marshall School District until the other day. A co-worker was complaining about her three children having to be bused to three different schools. She explained that each school services only one or two grades per school. Who was the rocket scientist that came up with that? Ever hear of conserving fuel? Cutting costs related to transportation like maintenance and insurance? What is wrong with kids going to school in their neighborhood? They can walk or ride their bikes to school. Ever hear of childhood obesity? I have to say, this is the craziest thing I have ever heard. I am really glad I do not have school age children!!!

-- Posted by i'mback/didyoumissme on Thu, Jun 25, 2009, at 2:54 PM

Slater: Yep...they figured their approach to high finance wouldn't be quite as impressive if everybody over 50 gets a million, especially since not every single one of them had a special story to tell.

Personally, I think they should've toughed it out - think of the possibilities for a series that would never end! And the residuals! Oh, well.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Thu, Jun 25, 2009, at 1:35 PM

Ohhhhh, so THAT'S where they went off to, eh? :)

-- Posted by Slater on Thu, Jun 25, 2009, at 8:35 AM

Slater: As soon as Michael Anthony heard about the million dollar giveaway, he left the country and is living on a tropical island off the coast of Argentina with John Beresford Tipton, his former employer. ;)

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Thu, Jun 25, 2009, at 6:05 AM

"I want to know when my children are involved in anything that could potentially affect their health or well being."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEV_gjuKi...

Med Journal: Fluoridation Never Proved Safe or Effective

New York -- October 11 2007 - Researchers reporting in the Oct 6 British Medical Journal (BMJ) indicate that fluoridation, touted as a safe cavity preventive, never was proven safe or effective and may be unethical. (1)

Cavity rates declined equally in fluoridated and non-fluoridated European countries over three decades. "This trend has occurred regardless of the concentration of fluoride in water or the use of fluoridated salt," write Sir Iain Chalmers, editor of the James Lind Library.. In 1999, England's Department of Health commissioned a systematic review on the effects of water fluoridation on dental health and to look for evidence of harm. (York Review). The reviewers were surprised that fluoridation was long endorsed and promoted with such certainty when 3200 world-wide papers failed to show any good quality evidence of benefit or safety. "Thus, evidence on the potential benefits and harms of adding fluoride to water is relatively poor," the BMJ's researchers write.

Paul Connett, PhD, Executive Director of the Fluoride Action Network says "The BMJ article fails to mention the 2006 National Research Council fluoride review, the most comprehensive overview of the toxicology of fluoride ever written. The crucial message of the NRC's report is that the highest scientific authority in the US has determined that low levels of fluoride in drinking water may have serious adverse health effects," says Connett. "Government officials who continue to promote fluoridation must testify under oath about why they are ignoring the powerful evidence of harm in the NRC report," says Connett.

-- Posted by Third Child on Wed, Jun 24, 2009, at 9:56 PM

news across I have no doubt you know way more than I about Economics and the constitutional laws that effect your citizenship so I won't go there, and I would stand right beside you in a fight for your rights because as you pointed out to me some time ago if I fight for my rights under the constitution then I should also fight for yours.

Even if I do not like that part of constitutional law that effect your rights as a citizen of the USA.

-- Posted by Gal66 on Wed, Jun 24, 2009, at 9:33 PM

I am a little surprised there is not an article in reference to the middle school being evacuated today. Parents were not notified except for what the kids reported to them. My child sent me a message saying they were evacuated for a gas leak that was later capped off. Both of my kids reported that the school smelled like gas. Maybe the school would like to inform parents of such an event. Even if it was under control, my children were evacuated. That means they had reason to take precautions. I want to know when my chilren are involved in anything that could potentially affect their health or well being.

-- Posted by kkmom on Wed, Jun 24, 2009, at 8:55 PM

Thats a Deal Kathy:)

-- Posted by Gal66 on Wed, Jun 24, 2009, at 7:39 PM

Kathy,

As a fully qualified economist (BBA with double majors in Economics and accounting..Middle Tennessee State University, class of '91, in my professional opinion, you are absolutely correct regarding the effects of distributing a million bucks to everyone over 50.

The current stimulus package is designed to stimulate the economy through the Keynesian economic model. The idea has 2 main components...1.) maintaining liquidity and 2.) stimulating the establishment of new jobs by private employers. In essence, the theoretical idea is fairly simple. Through direct government financing of construction projects (re-building the infrastructure) formally unemployed people become employed raising their consumption from autonomous consumption (basic consumption of bare minimum levels of food, clothing, ect) to standard consumption (buying new homes and durable goods such as automobiles, air conditioners, refrigerators, ect) which in turn create new jobs in the private sector and thus increasing consumption even more, creating even more jobs in the private sector and even more new consumers (and new consumers is the key by the way).

In economics we call this the "Federal Spending multiplier. Under this approach far more jobs are created not just because consumption creates more jobs through manufacturing but also by business to business consumption of resources. For example, if the government finances the building of a new bridge, not only does it create new consumers out of the formerly unemployed, but also increases consumption of things such as lumber, concrete, steel, etc which means that suppliers of these resources must hire more workers and consume other manufactured resources to produce and deliver these building materials...creating even more jobs and more consumers.

However, a mass influx of money into the system by merely injecting cash into the hands of anyone over the age of 50 would not necessarily result in any significant or lasting new consumption. Such a distribution might result in most of the money being put into savings and spent much the way we spend money under autonomous consumption...a penny here, a penny there, while keeping the bulk of the money in savings. This would create a condition we in economics call "the paradox of thrift" which has the opposite effect of that desired.

All economies turn on consumption. If consumption decreases the economy begins to deflate. This period of deflation is what we call economic depression (or recession..to those of us in economics the two are the same). If folks put most of the million they receive into savings and use it primarily for basic needs (food, clothing, heating bills, ect) rather than significantly increasing consumption of ALL durable goods and new construction, the economy would continue to deflate.

The Japanese model of the last 20 years is a good empirical example of the paradox of thrift. They had a booming economy due largely to increased international consumption of durable goods they were producing. At first folks in Japan prospered and, being frugal, their savings rate went up to 20%. This meant that 20% of the new income was not being consumed in their domestic economy, and ultimately this lead to decreased consumption and spiraling deflation. Today the Japanese find themselves in what appears to be a perpetual state of deflation.

I know personally, I would love to have the government give me my million... the bulk of which I would put into savings and the rest I would spend not in the American economy but rather in the Australian economy...which presents another problem with the million bucks give away idea.

There are a lot of ex-pats like me over the age of 50 and living overseas...which would mean that some of the give away would not be spent in the American economy...further reducing the goal of such a policy. And let's not forget that such a million dollar give-away would have to include ALL Americans over the age of 50...no matter where their house is located. Singling out ex-pats and denying them equal treatement (see 14th Ammendment, "equal protection" clause) would mean an immediate, Constitutional legal challenge to such a policy and, based upon established legal precedent, such a policy would be struck down. After all, we don't give up our American citizenship or our rights to equality (or any other Constitutional or legislated rights just because we move to another country).

In the end Kathy, you are absolutely correct and such a give-away as the one suggested would have a disastrous effect on our economy.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Jun 24, 2009, at 7:31 PM

Gal66,

The economic professor's attempt to persuade the class that somehow there is no personal motivation (and that is what he was doing) in a Marxist economy was cute but did not include all the variables that affect the macro-economy under normal circumstances. This capitalist concept that only money motivates humans has been completely dis proven by a variety of sociological studies in the 20th century.

Take for example the Westinghouse study. In the early 1900s Westinghouse installed lighting in it one of its factories in the hopes that with better lighting the workers' productivity would improve...and it did...but not for the reasons expected. Rather, when interviewed, the workers reported that they had worked harder because they thought that Westinghouse was providing the lights as a benefit to make the workers' working conditions better for the workers out of concern for them as human beings. The workers reported that they believed that better productivity would ultimately result in even more benefits for the workers as a whole. Thus the workers were motivated not by individual financial incentive but rather by the notion that improved productivity would lead to better conditions for all the workers. The experiment heralded the modern humanist approach to management and brought to an end Taylor's scientific approach (which theorizes that workers are only motivated by personal financial gain) used in the 19th Century.

In economics we study 3 simple things...1.) allocation (how a society decides what package of goods and services it wants), 2.) technology (how the package of goods and services will be produced), and 3.) equity (how the package of goods and services will be distributed amongst the population. These 3 "questions" of economics occur in any economy..capitalist or Marxist.

In a capitalist economy these questions are decided by what we call "dollar vote." The more dollars you have, the more votes you have. The less dollars you have, the less votes you have. This means if you are a multi-billionaire, you have a much, much greater say in what the society will produce and how it will be distributed than does someone who earns $40,000 a year.

In a Marxist economy, these questions are answered by scientifically planning the economy. Under ideal Marxist conditions, these decisions would be made by a central planning committee elected by the people, and the distribution of the package of goods and services is done fairly with every member of the society entitled to an equal share of the economy...no matter what their position in the production of the goods and services is. In most empirical models that we have, such as the former Soviet Union, most of the distribution is done through public access to goods and services. For example, you might have a society that offers free public transportation...trains, buses, ect. Another way you would see the Marxist approach to equity might be free, total health and dental care on demand or perhaps publicly subsidized restaurants and theaters, in publicly subsidized groceries (resulting in very inexpensive food)...or in any way that the society chooses to publicly distributive the goods and services. In other words, while in a capitalist society the wealthiest top 1% might decide that their (the top 1%) having 14 houses and 3 yachts each is far more important than the children of the other 99% having proper nutrition, clothing, and housing and using dollar vote to make sure it happens. Where as in a Marxist economy such equity would be decided by a democratically elected committee or congress...directly answerable to the majority giving us common folks a much greater and equal say in the equitable distribution of goods and services.

I believe that most would agree that thus far the attempts at establishing a working Marxist economy have failed. I believe this is because the nations that have attempted to establish Marxist economies lack the most important ingredient...democracy. Take for example the former Soviet Union. Prior to its adoption of Marxism, Russia was a nation with a long history of brutal, totalitarian, feudalistic, capitalist rulers (Czars) who had absolute control of every aspect of life of those they ruled. So its no surprise that this practice of brutal, absolute control by a dictator continued under Marxism as well...after all, they had never had a democracy to begin with. This was a recipe for failure right from the start because it removed a vital component of Marxism...equal say of all the members of the society in deciding how the 3 economic questions are answered.

Capitalist economies are similar to dictatorial control in that a handful of the society is able to amass such a large amount of wealth that they can out vote everyone else in the society in answering these 3 economic questions. For example, the Government Accounting Office reports that 1.5% of our population in the United States owns and controls 98% of the means of production and distribution...ensuring that they have effective control of our economy and thus our lives. We are fortunate that we do have a democracy that is able to temper the control the top 1.5% have of our society through regulation, and of course we could, if we chose to do so, democratically pass legislation that would create a Marxist economy. That is one of the benefits of democracy as well.

The question as to whether or not Marxism can work will probably never be answered one way or the other until Marxism is established in a true democracy...and until then societies such as ours will remain largely under the control of the wealthiest members of our society...no matter how we may each be individually motivated.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Jun 24, 2009, at 6:36 PM

Maafa 21

Black Genocide in 21st Century America

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeusbhevq...

-- Posted by Third Child on Wed, Jun 24, 2009, at 5:52 PM

My suggestion would be to begin the search for Michael Anthony. :)

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, Jun 24, 2009, at 5:44 PM

Litlmissme:

"what will be the next conspiracy theory be? I say through the glare of my pearly whites?"

Poison added to you water is not a conspiracy theory, it's just a sad fact.

Another fact is that it doesn't make your teeth white. The evidence that it even improves dental health is very thin compared to the damage it does. It dumbs us down and makes us docile. Hitler and Stalin used it on prisoners for this very reason. It's a chemical lobotomy that increases the odds of alzheimers and bone cancer.. brittle bones, broken hips..

Risks and benefits:

http://www.fluoridation.com/calgaryh.htm

"For every study by promoters over recent years repeating old messages that claim undisputed water fluoridation benefits-particularly reduction of cavities, there are equally reputable studies showing little or no effect on cavity rates. Studies in mainstream peer-reviewed medical journals and government reports now document the fact that serious harms are associated with exposure to small amounts of fluoride-including hip fracture, cancer, and intellectual impairment. There is evidence that both individual and institutional fluoride promoters have stacked the deck, manipulated experimental results, suppressed evidence that spoke against their view, and victimised or smeared those who spoke out against them."

-- Posted by Third Child on Wed, Jun 24, 2009, at 5:43 PM

Gal66: As soon as I find somebody with that money, I'm taking the first million and I'll give you the second million and we'll see how it all shakes out! Deal? ;)

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Wed, Jun 24, 2009, at 5:35 PM

"I would splurge and build a really really nice house, and 2 brand spanking new vehicles."

Sorry, but all that money has already been given to the very bankers that engineered the disaster in the first place.. a lot of it went out of the country. The bankers are sitting on it so they can buy up the country at depression prices. Two presidents endorsed this as accomplices.

The bill for all of this is put on your, and your children's tab.. for you to pay back..

The privately owned Federal Reserve 'creates' this money out of thin air, lowering the value of money currently in circulation. On top of of that the private Federal Reserve charges interest on this 'created' money.

Now those same financial experts and private bankers and finance oligarchs demand total global control of all global economies, money and business... this is not conspiracy theory, you can't make this stuff up..

-- Posted by Third Child on Wed, Jun 24, 2009, at 4:54 PM

Kathy even with inflation and insurance I really think we would be just fine.

Also don't forget at just 2% simple intrest on the money your going to have more than a lot of people have in take home income ebery year.

Really Kathy if you can find someone to give us the 2 mil I would really be glad to give it a try;-) LOL

-- Posted by Gal66 on Wed, Jun 24, 2009, at 4:44 PM

Pidge I know we could we live on less now.

I have done a few years of volunteer work in the past and would have time for more if I did not have to work all the time.

-- Posted by Gal66 on Wed, Jun 24, 2009, at 4:36 PM

Not bad, Gal66 - you might want to factor in a modest 3% inflation in your cost of living and the cost of health insurance. If you don't have decent health insurance (and you aren't going to get Medicare with that million), then set aside something for medical care in the event you need it later.

You may need quite a lot of money for that. When my mother reached her 80s, she had a series of strokes, but lived until she was 86 - it was astounding how much money that would have taken if she hadn't had Medicare. The cost of her medications alone could have fed several people a year.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Wed, Jun 24, 2009, at 4:33 PM

I have to agree with Gal.......Out of our 2 million, I would splurge and build a really really nice house, and 2 brand spanking new vehicles. Put the remaining 1.5 million in the bank, and what we would earn on just the interest is more than enough to pay the rest of our monthly bills, with enough left over to take a much needed vacation every year and be able to donate to local charites.

There you have it.....I have helped Plummer Builders, LaCrosse Lumber, Hartley Furniture, Rector Motors, Wood & Huston just to name a few.

-- Posted by Mrs JJ Gates on Wed, Jun 24, 2009, at 4:10 PM

Gal66 I do believe that we could live on the 2 mil that my husband and I would get. Even after buying two cars perhaps and paying off our home and maybe even buying a lake cabin. I know that maybe half of the 40 million would not volunteer but probably about 20 million would do volunteer work etc.. Think of all of the Habitat for Humanity homes that could be built, the tutors or mentors for students to help them be more successful in school and build the future and perhaps grandparents babysitting grandchildren instead of parents having to pay for child care, (before you say that would take away jobs, realize that there is not enough child care today to take care of the children that need child care). I think not only would the people over 50 would benefit from this plan but those that are still working would benefit greatly. I know that there are some people that think their lifestyle has to be extravagant but I bet for a good number of the 40 million who are tired of the 9-5 and have many charitable things they would like to have time for a more modest lifestyle would be fine. After all how much does it take to sit on the river or lake bank and fish?

-- Posted by Pidge on Wed, Jun 24, 2009, at 3:42 PM

Well Kathy with the money I would pay off our house and my car and buy a new car for the spouse that would reduce our bills by roughly $1000 and leave well over 1.9 million.

Right now our take home pay is roughly $3500 take $1000 off of that for no house and car payment and the $600 we pay for child care for our daughter with special needs and we could get by for $1900 a month.

Now take $1.9 mil / by $1900 that's 83.3 years now add that to my 50 years that would give us $1900 until I reach 133 years old, or to put it your way it would be $5428.71 month until I was 85.

I really think I could get by.

-- Posted by Gal66 on Wed, Jun 24, 2009, at 2:54 PM

Something I found on another site.

"A Quick Lesson in Economics ... food for thought An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had never failed a single student, but had once failed an entire class. That class had insisted that socialism worked; that no one would be poor, and no one would be rich, a great equalizer. The professor then said, "OK, we will have an experiment in this class on socialism. All grades would be averaged, and everyone would receive the same grade; so no one would fail, and no one would receive an A. After the first test, the grades were averaged, and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset, and the students who studied little were happy. As the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less, and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too, so they studied little. The second test average was a D! No one was happy. When the 3rd test rolled around, the average was an F. The scores never increased as bickering, blame, and name-calling all resulted in hard feelings, and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else. All failed, to their great surprise, and the professor told them that socialism would also ultimately fail because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great; but when government takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed. Could not be any simpler than that. Against logic there is no armor like ignorance."

-- Posted by Gal66 on Wed, Jun 24, 2009, at 1:41 PM

Oops - I forgot to say that your house and car must be paid for out of the million, according to what Pidge posted last night.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Wed, Jun 24, 2009, at 1:31 PM

Gal66: I'm anxious to hear the details of your plan for survival - don't forget that you won't be collecting Social Security if you take the million! :)

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Wed, Jun 24, 2009, at 1:30 PM

Kathy you get me 1 million and I will do everthing on the list and make it last until I kick the bucket no problem.

Number 1 you pay off my house and my car and I dont need 40,000 a year.

And that does not even count my spouses million.

-- Posted by Gal66 on Wed, Jun 24, 2009, at 1:07 PM

Pidge,

I read you comment where you quoted a commenter in another publication which detailed his/her solution to the economic depression the USA is in. In my opinion, as a fully qualified economist, I doubt that plan would work and for too many reasons to list in this forum.

However, having said that, I like the idea. It may not be enough to bring the economy out of the depression, but I do think it would reduce the symptoms of the depression. Mostly though, I like the idea because I am over 50.

Please send my million dollar check to my address in Australia or if its more convenient for the Government...I would be happy to pick my million bucks up at the American Embassy in Canberra, ACT.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Jun 24, 2009, at 1:24 AM

ND, I thought about you a night or two ago when the local news reported on a VW Beetle jamboree that took place downtown over the weekend.

Lots of bugs on display dating back a lot of years. :)

-- Posted by Slater on Tue, Jun 23, 2009, at 9:29 PM

If we have anyone in here who's a fan of the old westerns, have a listen and look in here:

http://oldfortyfives.com/thoseoldwestern...

-- Posted by Slater on Tue, Jun 23, 2009, at 9:11 PM

Mr. Ardman...once again, you have nailed it squarely on the head. :)

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Tue, Jun 23, 2009, at 6:44 PM

A million bucks just ain't what it used to be. Just a modest $40,000 annual income out of that million dollars, spread over a lifespan of 85 years and beginning at age 50, takes MORE than a million dollars - and that's without paying off a house or a car. And from age 50 to age 85, I'd anticipate the need for more than one car. And none of this makes any provision for health care.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Tue, Jun 23, 2009, at 5:11 PM

I got this today - I had to share since there is so much posted regarding the Pres and bailout etc. I think this is a great idea since I am over 50.

Could it be this simple?

This is from an article in the St. Petersburg Times Newspaper on Sunday.

The Business Section asked readers for ideas on "How Would You Fix the Economy?"

I think this guy nailed it!

Dear Mr. President:

Please find below my suggestion for fixing America's economy. Instead of giving billions of dollars to companies that will squander the money on lavish parties and unearned bonuses, use the following Plan. You can call it the Patriotic Retirement Plan:

There are about 40 million people over 50 in the work force. Pay them $1 million apiece severance for early retirement with the Following stipulations:

1) They MUST retire. Forty million job openings -Unemployment Fixed.

2) They MUST buy a new American CAR. Forty million cars ordered-Auto Industry fixed.

3) They MUST either buy a house or pay off their mortgage -Housing Crisis fixed.

4) (I add) Don't take any Social Security - Social Security fixed.

It can't get any easier than that!

If more money is needed, have all members of Congress and their Constituents pay their taxes...

If you think this would work, please forward to everyone you know..

-- Posted by Pidge on Tue, Jun 23, 2009, at 2:10 PM

Thanks guys, I'm glad you enjoy it.

Now, if some of my conservative friends would also touch bases as to what they think about the site it would double my pleasure.

I think it is a great site, truly fair, and balanced. Good information without spin.

Peace and Populism.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Jun 23, 2009, at 1:54 PM

OKR, this looks to be a very good resource link. Thanks for posting it!

-- Posted by Slater on Tue, Jun 23, 2009, at 9:07 AM

THANKS OKLAHOMA, GOOD INFO.

-- Posted by Jo on Mon, Jun 22, 2009, at 11:56 PM

Here is a web site that really furthers the cause of transparency in government. You can check about anything in government here. Not liberal, not conservative, just pure sunshine. Try it you will like it. http://www.sunlightfoundation.com/resour...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Jun 22, 2009, at 11:27 PM

Thanks for sharing FarmersDaughter.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Jun 22, 2009, at 12:10 AM

Yes, "experts" often disagree. Here's another point of view:

www.quackwatch.org/search/webglimpse.cgi...

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Sun, Jun 21, 2009, at 5:27 PM

Fluoride, Good or Bad?

One reporter wrote, "not much proof that it's harmful."

Experts disagree..

http://www.fluoridealert.org/health/inde...

-- Posted by Third Child on Sun, Jun 21, 2009, at 2:45 PM

. . . what will be the next conspiracy theory be? I say through the glare of my pearly whites?

Happy Fathers day!

-- Posted by litlmissme on Sun, Jun 21, 2009, at 8:36 AM

When I was young we had well water that was sofened with salt. I had cavities all the time one time Dr. Wilcoxin filled 9 in one day on me. Now that we have city water in the country I haven't had a cavity in over 4 years. Thank you Marshall Municipal Utilities for the floridation and lower Denist bills. Sorry Dr. Thompson but I really like not having cavities!

-- Posted by salinemg on Sat, Jun 20, 2009, at 11:31 PM

...and then there was the blond on the train, reading the morning paper. A headline caught her attention: 12 Brazilian Soldiers Die in Accident.

Horrified, she turns to the person sitting in the seat next to her and asks,

"How much is 12 Brazilian?"

-- Posted by Slater on Sat, Jun 20, 2009, at 7:04 PM

Cheetah, I rush to your rescue!!

A cel is "a transparent celluloid sheet on which a character, scene, etc., is drawn or painted and which constitutes one frame in the filming of an animated cartoon: may be overlapped for change of background or foreground."

A cellular phone is so called because it uses a low-powered radio transmitter, covering a distinct geographical area (called a cell).

About fluoride, I can say that I have lived plenty long enough to have had fluoride in the water for probably 50 years, maybe more, and,at least so far, I'm just dandy, peachy-keen, finer than frog hair and still have all my teeth, for which I'm grateful. Fluoride has been in the water supplies of about a bazillion communities nationwide for at least that 50 years, maybe more, and even in the face of not much proof that it's harmful, the controversy, for some, has never died. And probably won't, if postings here are any indication.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Sat, Jun 20, 2009, at 6:48 PM

Here's wishing all of you fathers a great day tomorrow!

-- Posted by Slater on Sat, Jun 20, 2009, at 6:33 PM

Heh heh heh...Cheetah, I was just thinking about what some folks might think could be a reasonable facsimile to Kopi. Have you seen the Cheech and Chong movie, Up in Smoke? :)

-- Posted by Slater on Sat, Jun 20, 2009, at 6:00 PM

For those who wondered where Ron Monnig's "Will Rogers" blog entry went, it's back. Ron has added a comment, including, "Not exactly sure how I removed this post. It was not removed for political reasons (though I have had folks ask if it was due to party or political pressure)I can assure you that it was not party nor politically related."

-- Posted by Eric Crump on Fri, Jun 19, 2009, at 5:36 PM

Right on, Cheetah!

While we're picking at nits, I might add that luv has always been spelled love according to my unabridged and expurgated dictionary. :) However, since I'm not the nit-picking type for the most part, I defer to the fluoridator.

Is Kopi Luwak grown thereabouts? :)

-- Posted by Slater on Fri, Jun 19, 2009, at 5:31 PM

Smokin Cheetah:

You are a very witty person some of your comments leave me with a smile:0)

-- Posted by litlmissme on Fri, Jun 19, 2009, at 3:24 PM

Is it me, or isn't CELL phone spelled with 2 L's??

-- Posted by luvthoseowls on Fri, Jun 19, 2009, at 3:00 PM

"some folks are just way too uptight."

Slater, so you think it's uptight to question the value of purposely adding a cumulative poison into our water supply? What about your grandkids?

I hope you research fluoride a fraction of the time you've put into those retro websites reliving the past before you write off your progeny.

Look them in the eyes and say it doesn't really matter.. you'd rather not be bothered..

-- Posted by Third Child on Fri, Jun 19, 2009, at 2:50 PM

By the way, can anyone tell me when the city began adding fluoride to the water?

When I used to visit my brother there, the water seemed pretty good to me, but it's been about 15 years ago since I was last there for any length of time. I know the coffee was always tasty.

-- Posted by Slater on Fri, Jun 19, 2009, at 1:33 PM

heh heh...Cheetah, I didn't even have to scroll past the bottom of the screen to know who's post I was reading.

I totally agree that some folks are just way too uptight.

-- Posted by Slater on Fri, Jun 19, 2009, at 1:26 PM

I GREW UP IN MARSHALL A LOT OF YEARS AGO, ON SEVERAL VISIT BACK THERE I TRIED TO DRINK THE WATER, i COULD NOT! IT TASTED SO BAD!IT ALSO HAD A SMELL I COULDN'T STAND! I DON'T REMEMBER IT TASTING & SMELLING LIKE THAT. WHAT HAVE THEY DONE TO IT ? MY AUNT PUT A FILTER IN HER HOUSE AND IT TOOK ALL THAT SMELL & TASTE OUT!

-- Posted by Jo on Fri, Jun 19, 2009, at 11:59 AM

-- Posted by movaldude

"Tolerance and acceptance of differing values and beliefs would benefit our society more than vociferous statements cloaked in respectability."

Matthew 7:4 "Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' and behold, the log is in your own eye?

-- Posted by Third Child on Fri, Jun 19, 2009, at 11:56 AM

The given reason for fluoridation is "to help prevent cavities."

Thanks for the reply, Geoff.

I believe this subject is a topic that warrants further discussion. Maybe a blog post could breach the subject and allow some pro and con discussion by those interested. The science is far from settled and I believe most people have just not looked into it.

A good place to research the issue:http://www.fluoridealert.org

PROFESSIONALS' STATEMENT CALLING FOR AN END TO WATER FLUORIDATION

AUGUST 9, 2007

2,535 Signers to Professionals' Statement as of June 17, 2009

We, the undersigned professionals, come from a variety of disciplines but all have an abiding interest in ensuring that government public health and environmental policies be determined honestly, with full attention paid to the latest scientific research and to ethical principles.

EIGHT recent events make action to end water fluoridation urgent...

Read them at:

http://www.fluoridealert.org/statement.a...

-- Posted by Third Child on Fri, Jun 19, 2009, at 11:33 AM

Third Child:

To answer your question, Marshall Municipal Utilities does indeed fluoridate the water it treats, doing so during the filtration process. The given reason for fluoridation is "to help prevent cavities."

http://www.mmumo.net/filtration.php

-- Posted by Geoff Rands on Fri, Jun 19, 2009, at 9:03 AM

Donovan I think the reason Third Child's comments are allowed is because: "The Marshall Democrat-News welcomes views or questions on any issue. We hope you'll express yourself freely and responsibly. We reserve the right to exclude entries that we deem disrespectful, threatening, obscene or in other ways objectionable."

I think they have a good policy. Just as posters are free to post under the guide lines as stated above, we are each free to read, or not read an individual's comments. I exercise both of those freedoms.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Jun 18, 2009, at 11:46 PM

No way upsedaisy. I'd rather love em than shoot em.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Jun 18, 2009, at 11:31 PM

With all due respect Mr. Third Child where do you come up with all these statements. Your statements are way out there. You act as though you are Chicken Little and that the sky is falling. Or should I say that the commies are coming. I could appreciate your conservative values if you quoted from more main stream conservative media. Tolerance and acceptance of differing values and beliefs would benefit our society more than vociferous statements cloaked in respectability.

-- Posted by movaldude on Thu, Jun 18, 2009, at 11:02 PM

What sort of "positive action" would OK Reader propose for the "Iranian problem"? Send in American troops?

MSM is being kept out by the Iranian army according to BBC America's reports. The BBC does a pretty good job of covering news in places where the press are officially forbidden.

Thanks to the widespread use of cell phones in Iran, we are seeing the protests despite the efforts to quash.

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Thu, Jun 18, 2009, at 9:19 PM

Thanks Kathy. Just curious. Sure would be nice.

-- Posted by Oldblackcat on Thu, Jun 18, 2009, at 3:55 PM

Eric asked for storm damage reports. Not too bad where we are out here in the Napton and Hardeman area. Had the windows blown out of an old chicken house and a couple of large tree limbs down. Had sheets on the clothesline which were twisted so badly I thought I'd have to cut them free. Hail was dime sized. House in town fared well with just a couple of small limbs down.

-- Posted by Tori on Thu, Jun 18, 2009, at 2:04 PM

No Conspiracy THEORY Here

President Obama's plan to give the privately-owned and unaccountable Federal Reserve complete regulatory oversight across the entire U.S. economy will officially herald the beginning of a new form of government in the United States - an ultra-powerful banking dictatorship controlled by a small gaggle of shadowy and corrupt elitists.

The new rules would see the Fed given the authority to "regulate" any company whose activity it believes could threaten the economy and the markets.

This goes a step further than the centrally planned economies of the Soviet Union or Communist China, in that the Federal Reserve is not even accountable to the U.S. government, it is a private entity that according to former Fed chairman Alan Greenspan, is accountable to nobody but the banking families that own it.

Obama's regulatory "reform" plan is nothing less than a green light for the complete and total takeover of the United States by a private banking cartel that will usurp the power of existing regulatory bodies, who are now being blamed for the financial crisis in order that their status can be abolished and their roles handed over to the all-powerful Fed.

http://www.infowars.com/obama-regulatory...

-- Posted by Third Child on Thu, Jun 18, 2009, at 11:53 AM

"they do not spray for mosquitoes"

Still unanswered: Do they fluoridate the water?

I'll bet, yes.

-- Posted by Third Child on Thu, Jun 18, 2009, at 11:47 AM

We just checked with Marshall Municipal Services - they do not spray for mosquitoes.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Thu, Jun 18, 2009, at 11:01 AM

Also, does the City of Marshall do this?

http://www.sedaliademocrat.com/articles/...

-- Posted by Oldblackcat on Thu, Jun 18, 2009, at 10:39 AM

The article also says it "makes it unlawful for pet owners to provide inadequate food and water for their animals and tether them in unsafe or unsanitary conditions, among other things."

Among other things? What are these other things? What exactly does the ordinance state or how do we go about finding out?

-- Posted by Oldblackcat on Thu, Jun 18, 2009, at 10:33 AM

I think that these uncaring pet owners should be forced to endure the conditions their pets are being subjected to. It breaks my heart to see all of these neglected animals around town. A pet is supposed to be a life long commitment; NOT until you get tired of it.

-- Posted by SpeedwaySue on Thu, Jun 18, 2009, at 9:24 AM

yes some more info on this news story would be great MDN!!!! at least tell sombody who to call to get details if ya don't want to post them!!

-- Posted by wheresthelove on Thu, Jun 18, 2009, at 8:48 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Which story are you referring to?

I have wondered the same thing. When does this new ordinance start and how do we go about enforcing it? I noticed the Rotweiler was still chained up yesterday in the 90 degree weather.

-- Posted by tommob on Thu, Jun 18, 2009, at 8:48 AM

I'm gonna combine two topics in one here. That storm was MIGHTY! Now, that being said. We had previously discussed the sheepdog tied outside on the corner of North St. and Benton. As I was near that corner when the brunt of the storm was coming through I noticed that poor scared dog trying to "run" away from the hail and wind and lightening and pounding rain. Being on a chain it could not get further than maybe 5 feet and it was cowering as close to the house as it could get. I did not see a dog house or if there was one, he couldn't get to it. Now that we have this new city policy, how do go about getting it enforced?

-- Posted by luvthoseowls on Thu, Jun 18, 2009, at 8:21 AM

buffetandtrump: You can also get email/text weather alerts via weather.com and you can customize which ones you want and the level of severity before they text/email you.

-- Posted by koeller77 on Thu, Jun 18, 2009, at 8:03 AM

hey kathy, can we keep it a little more professional here? rotflmao? that's something you text to someone, not something you post on here or a blog.

and here i thought you were all sophisticated and stuff, not being from marshall.

-- Posted by buffetandtrump on Wed, Jun 17, 2009, at 10:11 PM

i like the text alerts from the demo news ... but ... i just got one now at 10:03, the first one from them, telling me that there was a tornado warning for saline county from 751 to 815 pm (EDT) tonight.

doesn't help me much, being about three hours late.

-- Posted by buffetandtrump on Wed, Jun 17, 2009, at 10:05 PM

We had a couple of tree limbs, small ones, downed, but that's about it in my neighborhood. I've taken a drive around the southeast side of town, out to Indian Foothills, then up to Yerby via Lincoln and then down as far as College- saw a few tree limbs here and there, but not much else.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Wed, Jun 17, 2009, at 8:28 PM

Well, that was a brisk storm. Anybody have reports of damage? Rainfall amounts? Hail? Wind speed? Wondering how everyone fared.

-- Posted by Eric Crump on Wed, Jun 17, 2009, at 7:43 PM

Aw, shucks, Paulie - next time we're together, introduce yourself! :)

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Wed, Jun 17, 2009, at 5:05 PM

I've heard her in public and she is a bit of a potty mouth.

-- Posted by Paulie Walnuts on Wed, Jun 17, 2009, at 5:04 PM

Slater, thanks for the reminder of Gen. Ripper (and Gen. LeMay). It made me think of my late father, who was no fan of the latter, having spent many years under his command.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Wed, Jun 17, 2009, at 4:35 PM

Rolling on the floor, laughing my *** off, yes, I do know what it means. But don't let that stop you from assigning a different meaning, for heavens' sake.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Wed, Jun 17, 2009, at 4:34 PM

"ROTFLMAO"

Kathy do you even know what 'LMAO' means?

Is this the way you speak in public?

-- Posted by Third Child on Wed, Jun 17, 2009, at 4:26 PM

Negative impact of fluoride on brain IQ

http://www.fluoridealert.org/health/brai...

I've been told that Slater fluoridates the water and I'm going to guess that marshall does too.

-- Posted by Third Child on Wed, Jun 17, 2009, at 4:23 PM

ROTFLMAO, yes, he certainly did say that.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Wed, Jun 17, 2009, at 4:22 PM

I distinctly remember Gen. Jack Ripper warning against the corruption of our precious bodily fluids by the introduction of fluoride into the drinking water.

When questioned, he responded by saying, "Haven't you noticed I drink only distilled water?"

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, Jun 17, 2009, at 3:46 PM

And yet...

"In a February 1991 Public Health Service (PHS) report, the agency said it found no evidence of an association between fluoride and cancer in humans. The report, based on a review of more than 50 human epidemiological (population) studies produced over the past 40 years, concluded that optimal fluoridation of drinking water "does not pose a detectable cancer risk to humans" as evidenced by extensive human epidemiological data reported to date (4)."

Read more about it here, from the National Cancer Institute:

www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Ri...

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Wed, Jun 17, 2009, at 3:16 PM

Fluouride & Cancer:

Double the rate of bone cancer in adolescent boys in fluoridated areas. Fluoride has never been proven to improve dental health. Why do they put it in your water?

http://www.fluoridealert.org/health/canc...

-- Posted by Third Child on Wed, Jun 17, 2009, at 2:39 PM

Here is an intersting article concerning the aftermath of Iranian election. http://welcomebacktopottersville.blogspo... It takes the point that that the MSM has missed what is actually going on. It states that mainstream media are running stale news, and don't have the proper boots on the ground to report the depth of the protest by the Iranian people, and its durability. It points to sources for the "real story".

It also contrasts our passivity eight years ago with the uprising underway in Iran.

Could it be that the best way to overcome the Iranian problem be to take positive action that would win the hearts, and minds of the Iranian people? It appears that they are not at all satisfied with a stolen election, and that the better road to quashing Iranian threats may be to support the people's effort to change the government.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Jun 17, 2009, at 1:37 PM

"Too bad it isn't an exact science,"

This repeating pattern of boom and bust IS a science. The world has been under attack by globalist bankers from day one. The "Federal" Reserve is privately owned. They create money out of thin air and loan it out at interest. From this very beginning the economy is destined to fail. It is an evil science that depends on the ignorance of the public to succeed.

"Maybe even the clucks in Congress would be able to understand it."

Some do understand it but no one wants to listen to them. The truth is a hard pill to swallow.

Ron Paul, has been warning about what is happening for thirty years now and has published books on it. The problem is that most of Congress are corrupt and have sold out to the bankers. The public would rather remain clueless.

To pretend that the economy's collapse is an accident and that Bernake and Geitner are doing all they can to correct it is expecting the fox to manage the hen house.

-- Posted by Third Child on Wed, Jun 17, 2009, at 8:26 AM

Third Child: I smell conspiracy.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Jun 17, 2009, at 12:08 AM

Too bad it isn't an exact science, TC, then anyone with the right training could do it.

Maybe even the clucks in Congress would be able to understand it.

-- Posted by Slater on Tue, Jun 16, 2009, at 6:52 PM

Nobel prize winning, economy guru, Paul Krugman, wrote in August 2, 2002:

"To fight this recession the Fed needs...soaring household spending to offset moribund business investment. [So] Alan Greenspan needs to create a housing bubble to replace the Nasdaq bubble." NY Times

-- Posted by Third Child on Tue, Jun 16, 2009, at 6:01 PM

So why was Ron Monning's Will Roger's thread pulled? Who pulled it?

-- Posted by Third Child on Tue, Jun 16, 2009, at 3:23 PM

klop, thanks for bringing up the subject of the FairTax. It is actually going to be the topic of my next weblog post. But before I finish my FairTax piece, let me address several of the misconceptions in Bruce Bartlett's column "What's foul about the FairTax."

First, Mr. Bartlett attempts to "expose" what the "true rate" of the FairTax would be and says FairTax proponents are "deceptively" turning a 30% sales tax into a 23% sales tax. This is actually one of the most common misconceptions. He is correct when he says, "When people hear about a 23 percent national sales tax, they naturally equate it to the state sales taxes they are familiar with." But therein lies the fault, as the FairTax was never intended to be calculated the same way as state sales taxes, and FairTax proponents explicitly state the FairTax is a "tax inclusive" formula at 23%.

In other words, when the FairTax is implemented you could go to a store a see a tube of toothpaste for $2. Because the FairTax is intentionally a tax inclusive formula, when you check out that tube of toothpaste you will pay exactly $2. The sales tax is already in the price.

Now, if you want to calculate prices in a "tax exclusive" way, you do need to use the 30% rate, and this is also explicitly stated by FairTax supporters. If the FairTax was tax exclusive, you would go to the store and see a tube of toothpaste for $1.54, then you would check out and 30% would be added to make the price $2.

Going from $1.54 to $2 does seem like a lot, but not when you know that that same tube of toothpaste currently costs $2 without the FairTax. Why will prices stay the same once a 23% sales tax is added? Because once income and payroll taxes are abolished, prices will drop about 22% or 23%. Then the 23% (or 30% if you prefer tax exclusive) is added back and the money the government had been collecting through income and payroll taxes is collected through that sales tax.

Bartlett tries to say FairTax advocates simply "assume away" the problems with the FairTax in stating prices will drop about 22% or 23%. He says, "In reality, for prices to fall by 22 percent, business costs would also have to fall by 22 percent, which means that all workers would have to take a 22 percent pay cut."

Again, misconception. What Bartlett fails to realize is that any and all tax burden placed on businesses or corporations is inevitably passed down to the consumer. Once that tax burden is lifted with the removal of all income and payroll based taxes, business costs will fall about 22% or 23%. No one will take a pay cut, and in fact workers will end up with more money because nothing will be taken out of their paycheck before it reaches their hand.

In addition, under the FairTax business-to-business purchases are not taxed at all. Meaning that toothpaste company can purchase its minty-flavor from a miny-flavor producing company for with no sales tax added to the raw price. Yet another business cost decrease from the current tax system.

That's about all the space I can take up, but for information on how the rich will be taxed in comparison to the poorer, I'd suggest taking a look at a column in the Boston Globe that ran about a month after Bartlett's called "Why Democrats should love the FairTax" by Laurence J. Kotlikoff, a professor of economics at Boston University and a research associate at the National Bureau of Economic Research in Cambridge, Mass.:

http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editor...

-- Posted by Jacob Hatfield on Tue, Jun 16, 2009, at 10:27 AM

Eric--how about a new online poll question--the one about the statue on the south side of the courthouse has been online way toooooo long!!!

-- Posted by farmerwife on Tue, Jun 16, 2009, at 10:05 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Will do.

Thanks Mayor Latimer...The Rotweiler on English will be so grateful!

-- Posted by tommob on Tue, Jun 16, 2009, at 8:09 AM

Maybe the two dogs that we talked about have a chance for a better life now.

-- Posted by snoozes on Mon, Jun 15, 2009, at 9:30 PM

It appears the city administration took your animal abuse reports to heart, and that's good.

-- Posted by Slater on Mon, Jun 15, 2009, at 8:12 PM

"Do the poor buy more than the rich? It would seem to me like the rich would still pay more. Seems like a common sense no brainer to me!"

-- Posted by DAgates on Mon, Jun 15, 2009, at 12:27 PM

In total dollars, the rich would pay more than the poor, because the rich do spend more. That's not the criticism of this type of tax. The criticism and problem is that the poor spend a greater PERCENTAGE of their income.

Consider these two scenarios. You make $25,000 per year and spend it all on food and services to live, excluding tax. With a ten percent spending tax, you'd spend $2,500 on tax (and go deeper into debt by that amount. I make $100,000 per year and spend $50,000 on food and services to live, excluding tax. I would pay $5,000 on tax. My tax is 5 percent (5,000 divided by 100,000) but your tax is ten percent (2,500 divided by 25,000) of income.

This is called a regressive tax. You pay a lot more in tax in proportion to your income than I do.

-- Posted by TerryM on Mon, Jun 15, 2009, at 4:17 PM

A Boston Globe column about the many flaws in the FairTax plan.

http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editor...

-- Posted by klop on Mon, Jun 15, 2009, at 12:45 PM

The middle class does the majority of the spending in America,mostly because it constitutes the largest group of people. This plan would not help those doing the spending and would further cripple the economy.

-- Posted by klop on Mon, Jun 15, 2009, at 12:31 PM

Do the poor buy more than the rich? It would seem to me like the rich would still pay more. Seems like a common sense no brainer to me!

-- Posted by DAgates on Mon, Jun 15, 2009, at 12:27 PM

I have been hearing a lot about the FairTax plan lately. I really do not understand what the hype is about. There is NOTHING Fair about it. While eliminating income tax, it would bloat sales tax to 23%. In theory everyone pays the same amount, but the poor would be spending a much higher percentage of their paycheck on this "FairTax".

Just another way for the rich to get ahead....

-- Posted by klop on Mon, Jun 15, 2009, at 11:34 AM

What was that so-called flying wing that turned out to be so unreliable? What I saw was a wing-like aircraft. Actually, I think I may have a video documentary about it.

Thanks for the link.

-- Posted by Slater on Sun, Jun 14, 2009, at 6:12 PM

Slater, here's a web site with a picture. WT

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F4D_Skyray

-- Posted by White Tornado on Sun, Jun 14, 2009, at 6:02 PM

Slater, If that was an F4D of my era, it would have been involvd in some sort of air show celebration but I doubt is was "normal" airwork as the military had long since retired them.

Most likely it was something like an Air Force F-102 or some experimental thing. I'll try to send "hunterfisher" a picture of my F4D as he can probably send it to the blog if pictures can be sent. Me, I'm just a hacker at the computer! WT

-- Posted by White Tornado on Sun, Jun 14, 2009, at 5:52 PM

Kid #3, I am far from an expert on the contrails other than generating them. As for the how/why, it's very similar to you being able to see your breath on a cold day with the proper moisture content. Due to the "stirring" of the air around you, your breath mist will not last very long whereas a contrail with the right conditions, i.e., constant temp and non-swirling air can hang around for some time. Generally the conditions are only in a fairly narrow band of maybe 10,000 feet vertically.

As a fighter pilot, we always checked with the weather desk to find than range. If you're trying to patrol without being detected, stay out of the contrail band. The trail can tell you what kind of plane and what altitude, not what you want others to know. As I recall, the range is usually between mid-20,000's to high 30,000's with the band being about 6,000 feet in depth. Very rarely above 40,000.

These same conditions do tend to hold the exhaust fume in a "frozen" state until it finally evaporates. Whether that creates an increased pollution factor or not, I can't say. I don't quite see how this could make a different effect as it's the same exhaust pollution regardless. I suppose refracted sunlight might/could, but a positive or negitive effect? I really haven't studied it.

I hope this gives you more to think about on the subject. Oh, BTW, one proposed chapter in my book has to do with how my Section Leader, Capt. Tom D'Andre and I once "defeated" a section of F8U's in a simulated dog-fight while we were sitting in the control tower on the runway. They made the mistake of being in the contrails so we were making "radio calls" to each other leading the F8 pilots to think we were on their tails and countering every move they made. Happy Hour that evening almost ended in a 2 squadron brawl when Capt D'Andre pointed out how he and a 2nd Lt. just out of flight school had kicked the butts of their 2 best pilots! WT

-- Posted by White Tornado on Sun, Jun 14, 2009, at 5:46 PM

Tornado, care to comment on this ol' contrail/chemtrail controversy.. thing?

Did contrails hang in the air, back in the day, like they do now? I just can't believe they did..

-- Posted by Third Child on Sun, Jun 14, 2009, at 3:03 PM

Wow.. what a story, WT..

I've driven trains..I've flown planes.. little ones.. never the twain, has met.. thank god

-- Posted by Third Child on Sun, Jun 14, 2009, at 2:54 PM

Okay, it's the XF4D Skyray and not the F4D Phantom.

In the early '70s I was playing golf at a course across the highway from Richards Gebaur Air Base, and I happened to look up and saw a delta-shaped plane flying around. Do you suppose it was that XF4D?

-- Posted by Slater on Sun, Jun 14, 2009, at 2:18 PM

Slater, after an extensive search, this is the best I could find.

November 19, 1958: An F4D Skyray fighter jet overshoots the runway at the Marine Corps Air Station in El Toro and is struck by southbound train No. 74 at 75 miles (121 km)-per-hour. All three locomotives and cars #3430, #3165, #3144, #1399, #3100, #3094, #3082 derail. No fatalities and only a few injuries result.

This doesn't give much in the way of explaining the why and the what of the event. WT

-- Posted by White Tornado on Sun, Jun 14, 2009, at 2:16 PM

Slater, the F-4 you are referring to is one of the last types I flew until I left the Marines in 1966 to become a pilot for Pan Am for 25 years or so. The F-4D in my article was built by McDonnell-Douglas and was a single seater with radar. It was built as an interceptor and held several climb-to-altitude records in it's heyday.

It had no horizontal stabilizer and looked like the manta ray "fish". The official description is F4D-1 Skyray. It was a challenge to fly due to unique controls, transonic trim compenstator and the like. But it had great radar for the time. The biggest drawback I thought was it's limited fuel, usually only about an hour and a half or less without using drop tanks. And in afterburner, it only had about 17 minutes of fuel so we were told. But, of course, we never had a reason to verify that! lol, . We used to joke that it had the gliding ability of a swept-wing safe. WT

-- Posted by White Tornado on Sun, Jun 14, 2009, at 1:56 PM

The McDonnell Aircraft Company's production of the F-4 Phantom II ran from 1958 to 1979, during which time over 5,000 of the planes were built.

The first flight of the F-4, a two-seat twin-engine aircraft, occurred on May 27, 1958, and the first units were delivered to the military in 1960; the plane had its U.S. military stand-down in 1996.

Noteworthy is the fact that the plane was in concurrent service with the Air Force, Navy, and Marines, and also was used concurrently for a time by both the Navy Blue Angels and the Air Force Thunderbirds.

Its initial role was that of an interceptor, but its strategic capabilities came to the fore during the Vietnam conflict.

Today, the aircraft is still utilized by the air forces of eight nations.

Source: Boeing military fact sheet

-- Posted by Slater on Sun, Jun 14, 2009, at 8:35 AM

hunterfisher, Mark, I'm just getting home today and looked into my "memoirs" for the story of the train hitting a fighter plane and realized it's still in bits and pieces on scraps of paper. I thought I had gotten it typed but "nope!". Briefly, here's the story-

I had just gotten to El Toro from the training command about a week ago, went to class (called NEMO but I forget what that means) to check out in the F4D, called the Ford. I was on my 3rd Fam. flight, a "solo" meaning no chase plane as the F4D was a single seated supersonic fighter.I was headed back to El Toro when I heard the tower say, "All planes remain clear of the field, we have an emergency in progress. Orbit Dana Point until further notice."

One of my classmates from a sister squadron, VMF(AW)-513 for me, VMF(AW)-542 for him, Lt. Phil Schmitt on his 5th flight with chase plane flown by the squadron CO was having a problem. Without too much detail. he had switched to manual fuel control with out retarding the throttle and over-sped the engine throwing a few blades. He was in a bit of a panic not being helped much by his chase plane pilot "chipping" at him.

He was attempting a "pre-cautionary flame out approach" and was on his second try having seriously botched up the first try. (I was circling overhead at 20,000 feet, "Angels 20" in the parlance, with a clear view of everything.)

This time he came in way to "hot", probably doing about 220 knots per hour instead of the 150 or so on a normal landing. Col. Mahaffey, his chaser, was still nagging at him so he was obvioulsy determined to land as his next move would have been to eject out over the water, the Pacific Ocean.

Someone in the tower yelled at him, "Shut it down!" meaning his engine, the Col. yelled, "Keep it on the ground!" And I said, "Don't forget to drop the tail hook!' (we had arresting wire at the end of the runways) but by then it was too late. He went sailing off the end of the runway, right through two trees that sheared off the wing tips. through a concret ditch that wiped out his landing gear and had him sliding on the two 300 gallon fuel drop tanks through the air field fencing and the railroad track fence to stop right on the rails.

Looking over his right shoulder, he could see the Super Chief from LA to Tucson at 60 MPH bearing down on him. When it hit, Phil's plane split in two with him still strapped in the ejection seat. The train was de-railed but I forget how many were hurt, but I don't think anyone was killed. Phil had a broken collar bone and could not unstrap from the seat and he was in great danger of being shot a 100 feet or so into the air. One of the train crew showed up and got him out just a few second before the seat cooked off. Phil also had a minor bone break but otherwise survived intact.

Sorry. this is a "rough draft" and there are a lot more details that I'll cover if and when I get around to writing my book. WT

This all happened in about OCT 1957 if you care to google it. Not sure if there's anything about it but worth a try.

-- Posted by White Tornado on Sat, Jun 13, 2009, at 11:14 PM

wow.. umm calm down ... i currently attend marshall high and i think it is a pretty good school.. why would we need a new bldg??? umm yah maybe new computers, textbooks, and other resources, but a building calm down now yall are jus being picky here.. i go to school to learn not to complain about it... umm its pretty nice inside maybe you should take a visit there ;)

-- Posted by ballin on Sat, Jun 13, 2009, at 6:58 PM

Well if some of the small school districts would fold into Marshall (ie. Malta Bend, Miami and Hardiman) I bet then they could pass a bond issue for a new school. Country people will always vote a bond issue in for education. Plus in Malta Bend at sometime in the future the ethanol plant will be paying taxes (it pays no property taxes at the present time) that should bring in quite a bit of income. An added benefit for those small school district taxpayers is that their taxes would be LOWER because they are higher than Marshall now!

-- Posted by movaldude on Sat, Jun 13, 2009, at 3:15 PM

Marshall needs a new school. We keep spending money on the old ones which no longer fit the needs of the present day educational system. We need to make sure the campus is big enough to put a middle school on in a few years. There will always be people on fixed income that is not going to change but we keep using it as an excuse to keep Marshall the same. Our population has actually decrease over the last 100 years and that is not really anything to brag about. We need good safe school for our children and no I don't have school age children anymore and yes I moan about my tax bill. I believe that starting with a new school will show that Marshall is working towards being progressive and maybe it will lead to other growth.

-- Posted by theobserver on Sat, Jun 13, 2009, at 12:41 PM

DID WE STOP TALKING ABOUT BUILDING A NEW SCHOOL SO FAST? TRUST ME.... THE POWERS THAT BE WILL CONTINUE SHOVING THIS ISSUE DOWN THE TAX PAYERS THROAT UNTIL THEY GET THEIR WAY. HOW ABOUT THE TOP DOGS AT THE SCHOOL SYSTEM TAKE A SALARY CUT TO HELP FUND THE NEW BUILDING THEY WANT? I BET THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ON A FIXED INCOME WOULD APPRECIATE THAT EFFORT. OF COURSE THEY COULD BUILD A NEW BUILDING AND THEN TAKE IT DOWN LIKE THE ONE BUILT CLOSE TO THE VOTECH SCHOOL SOME YEARS AGO. NICE CONCRETE PAD GUYS!!

-- Posted by 1OFTHEGALS on Sat, Jun 13, 2009, at 10:59 AM

Great article about the truth about CAFO's. It should open people's eyes (but you still have to hold your nose)!

-- Posted by fresh air on Sat, Jun 13, 2009, at 9:34 AM

CAFO and antibiotics. An excellent article that should make everyone consider the perils.

http://www.jhu.edu/~jhumag/0609web/farm....

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Jun 13, 2009, at 12:55 AM

ND, my brain was numbed from reading those titles, but the circulation has returned. :)

I do my reading mainly by ear now, except for what I take from the Internet. I've discovered the words aren't absorbed any easier than they were when I was using my eyes to plod along.

My daughter reads and absorbs like you. I have much admiration for people who have the ability.

-- Posted by Slater on Fri, Jun 12, 2009, at 7:37 PM

World Health Organization: Pandemic, Level 6

Mass vaccination beta test completed in April.

Report looks professional..

http://www.marshallnews.com/story/154579...

"In other new business, Assistant Administrator Russ Donnell presented the board with his Homeland Security Exercise and Evaluation Program report on the closed point of dispensing drill held April 6.

"This looks so professional," board member Sara Kirchhoff said."

Hunterfisher wrote:

"Head in the direction of your buried survival supplies asap, you might get a sore throat."

Is this before or after you line up to take three vaccinations planned for you this fall when they release the next round of this lab created virus?

Got any elderberry wine buried out in the woods?

-- Posted by Third Child on Fri, Jun 12, 2009, at 2:11 PM

Elderberry jam, jelly and wine won't do it, according to this article from WebMD and before you bash it as being "mainstream," note that Andrew Weill has a few words to say, too:

www.webmd.com/cold-and-flu/news/20031222...

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Fri, Jun 12, 2009, at 10:09 AM

oldschool: We checked with the owner of The Donut about a month ago and he said then he expected to be open around Memorial Day. Obviously, there have been some delays, but it should be soon.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Fri, Jun 12, 2009, at 9:52 AM

Upsedaisy,

The Kiva theatre was located at the north end of the business district and on the east side. A residential property was situated between the Christian Church (my church growing up) and the theatre. Just this morning I received a postcard copy from ceh_meh showing the earlier years of the building; the marquee is included in the photo and displays a movie title dating to 1915, so, it's older than I realized. I'm interested in the history of theatre ownership by the studios and the period when Hollywood began to divest itself of them.

The Safeway store was in the middle block and on the east side. It was one or two businesses south of the old Yates drug store, if you remember that place. I believe Bill Sterrett's law office was just to the north of the grocery, and either a dress shop or a jewelry store was just to the south. That entire side of the block was razed after a fire burned a large part of it. The city put up a building on the northeast corner, and the newspaper office is next to it, I believe.

Slater will be 150 in 2028. I had the history booklet created for the Centennial in 1978, but it disappeared when we moved from Kansas City to Texas. I'm hoping the city retained a copy, or copies. I'll also be asking about the one you mentioned.

I don't remember the Haynie Brothers grocery store, but I do remember the time without air conditioning. My dad did his best to talk my mother into letting him install a/c in the house, but she liked having the windows open. However, she did agree to a window unit downstairs, which got run only on those evenings when she hosted her bridge parties, or other occasions which she deemed as special. :)

-- Posted by Slater on Fri, Jun 12, 2009, at 9:24 AM

I wrote:

"I don't understand why Kucinich waited so long to come on board HR1207, to audit the Fed"

I understand more about that after reading this:

http://www.infowars.com/us-house-to-deba...

-- Posted by Third Child on Fri, Jun 12, 2009, at 9:06 AM

"Kucinich, and Paul together on the issue of tranparent goverment. Now that is the populist convergence of the left, and the right that I have been talking about. Neither man is owned by the corporatists."

I supported them both in the election, but mostly Ron Paul. I don't understand why Kucinich waited so long to come on board HR1207, to audit the Fed..

-- Posted by Third Child on Fri, Jun 12, 2009, at 8:55 AM

"Re: Pandemic flu - try eating elderberry jelly, wine or juice daily - seems it is quite an effective anti-viral"

NanaDot, you risk the rath of the FDA and the FTC, in recommending this natural remedy.

At any time now you may experience a heavily armed, black masked, swat team kicking your doors in to confiscate your computer and haul you off to be waterboarded at an undisclosed location.

The government will protect its monopolies of greed and power.

http://www.marshallnews.com/story/153596...

"In conjunction with the Federal Trade Commission, the FDA has developed an aggressive strategy to identify, investigate, and take regulatory or criminal action against individuals or businesses that wrongfully promote purported 2009 H1N1 influenza products in an attempt to take advantage of the current flu public health emergency."

-- Posted by Third Child on Fri, Jun 12, 2009, at 8:47 AM

Does anyone know when the "Donut Shop" is planning on opening? It's been coming soon for about 4 or 5 months and I'm really starting to crave some good hometown donuts like we use to have at Paradise. Hey Eric, if you could find out this it would be a great tid bit i know a lot of people around town are curious about!!

-- Posted by oldschool17 on Fri, Jun 12, 2009, at 8:10 AM

Kucinich, and Paul together on the issue of tranparent goverment. Now that is the populist convergence of the left, and the right that I have been talking about. Neither man is owned by the corporatists.

Thank you for the heads up Third Child.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Jun 12, 2009, at 12:22 AM

Slater,

I think there was a history of Slater written within the past three or four years in connection with a celebration of the town's 150 years.

Was the Kiva close to the depot? I remember the the Safeway was close to the Christian church at the north? end of the shopping area. I also remember the Haynie Bros. grocery. It had double screen doors. Ah, the days before ac.

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Thu, Jun 11, 2009, at 10:13 PM

the local comfort inn gets a national award and the local paper doesn't give them more than a small corner on the second page of the paper?

-- Posted by aikman8 on Thu, Jun 11, 2009, at 9:33 PM
Response by Geoff Rands/Staff writer:
This and other awards given to the Comfort Inn were reported on in the story "Marshall's Comfort Inn named 2009 business of the year at Chamber banquet," printed on the front page of our publication Wednesday, June 10, and viewable here: http://www.marshallnews.com/story/154611...

It's a Dollar Tree store, according to city officials.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Thu, Jun 11, 2009, at 8:47 PM

ok so im sure its probably been said a million times already on here but i havent seen it but is any1 100 percent sure on what is going in, in front of walmart thx eveybody :)

-- Posted by ballin on Thu, Jun 11, 2009, at 8:08 PM

For Immediate Release

June 11, 2009

Audit the Fed Bill Reaches Crucial Benchmark

Washington, D.C. - Congressman Ron Paul's Federal Reserve Transparency Act, HR 1207, has reached and surpassed the level of 218 cosponsors in the House of Representatives, which means it is now cosponsored by a majority of the members.

The 218th cosponsor was Dennis Kucinich (OH-10), and the bill has since received its 222nd cosponsor.

"The tremendous grass-roots and bipartisan support in Congress for HR 1207 is an indicator of how mainstream America is fed up with Fed secrecy," said Congressman Paul. "I look forward to this issue receiving greater public exposure."

Hearings on Federal Reserve transparency are expected within the next month, as part of the Financial Services Committee's series of hearings on regulatory reform.

-- Posted by Third Child on Thu, Jun 11, 2009, at 7:43 PM

I have been hearing a lot about the FairTax plan lately. I really do not understand what the hype is about. There is NOTHING Fair about it. While eliminating income tax, it would bloat sales tax to 23%. In theory everyone pays the same amount, but the poor would be spending a much higher percentage of their paycheck on this "FairTax".

Just another way for the rich to get ahead....

-- Posted by klop on Thu, Jun 11, 2009, at 6:33 PM

Congratulations to Comfort Inn Marshall Station on receiving this well-deserved award. My wife and I have stayed there on a number of occasions when visiting Marshall, and I agree that the place is great. The seasonal decorations are appreciated, as are the cookies on check-in, fireplace in the lobby and the good breakfast in the AM. Anyone visiting Marshall for a graduation or reunion will appreciate the ambiance.

-- Posted by Nonnymus on Thu, Jun 11, 2009, at 6:06 PM

"And, seriously, I have shunned flu shots. The last time I was sick was in Oct 1963 after the Marine Corps required me to get a flu shot prior to going into Cuba! Sick as a dog for 3 days, wasn't sick before and haven't been sick since! Other than then, I've never had a cold or flu since pre-teens."

I've read that if you take one flu shot a year for five years in a row that you are 10X more likely to get Alzheimers. I forget where I read it..

An award winning book most of us have never heard of: "Vaccine A: The Covert Government Experiment That's Killing Our Soldiers and Why GIs Are Only the First Victims"

Links and info at:

http://www.vaclib.org/basic/adjuvants.ht...

-- Posted by Third Child on Thu, Jun 11, 2009, at 5:00 PM

Request denied.

-- Posted by Slater on Thu, Jun 11, 2009, at 4:15 PM

I see the swine flu is now at(panic)demic level.

Score another victory for the pharmaceutical companies.

Head in the direction of your buried survival supplies asap, you might get a sore throat.

-- Posted by hunterfisher on Thu, Jun 11, 2009, at 10:50 AM

I've seen that reference two times, Aikman, once in a booklet about the history of Slater prepared for the 1978 Centennial observance, and then again not too many years ago. The second time it was either in the Slater or Marshall paper prior to the first year of that Steve McQueen thing that takes place in March.

I have no idea if it's factual, or how long he was there. I find it kind of hard to believe, but in the early 1900s there were something like 4000-5000 people working for the railroad there, according to what I've read.

I was thinking earlier this evening of how it's nearly impossible to learn much about specific items of the local history, since most everyone who would've been old enough to know what took place, say 70-80 years ago, has passed on.

A few years ago I was wanting to learn about the history of the old Kiva theatre in Slater, and when I began searching for someone who could have answered some of my questions, I discovered there was no longer anyone living who may have had that knowledge.

The older I get the more I realize the importance of an accurate accounting of local history. As I was growing up I was the typical kid, not paying much attention to anything that didn't directly concern my little workd. I have a sister who is 84 and has a pretty good memory about people, but not so much about events of the type that interest me. She's generally willing to tell me what she remembers, but I think I annoy her some days with all my questions, and I can tell when she's not in the mood to reminisce. :)

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, Jun 10, 2009, at 11:25 PM

NANADOT, thanks for reminding me why I shouldn't eat spinach! I had forgotten that scare so I'll go back to the lessons I learned from Douglas Adams and Arthur Dent about traveling the galaxy, "never eat the local food. Twinkies have a shelf life of several hundred years so they are always safe to eat." (And never lose your towel!)

As you seem to have guessed (although I suspect a couple of others didn't get it) I was tongue in cheek and don't really suspect the Vegans of any plot. In support of "3rdKid", polio will probably go down in history as the last disease ever cured. Boy, did they make a mistake there! Just think of all that money left on the table whereas an annual vacination could have been the norm.

One thing I find amusing these days is the marketing for "pre-(whatever disease you want)". Here, take these pills or shots just in case. You aren't sick now but you are pre-sick. I realized I'm pre-broken leg so I'm going in tomorrow for a cast to be put on.

And, seriously, I have shunned flu shots. The last time I was sick was in Oct 1963 after the Marine Corps required me to get a flu shot prior to going into Cuba! Sick as a dog for 3 days, wasn't sick before and haven't been sick since! Other than then, I've never had a cold or flu since pre-teens. WT

-- Posted by White Tornado on Wed, Jun 10, 2009, at 11:07 PM

slater, where did you see that about chrysler? i tried doing some research online about that and can't find it. not doubting you, just curious when it was and what it was?

-- Posted by aikman8 on Wed, Jun 10, 2009, at 9:35 PM

Slater:

I am not sure where I read that but I did see that some time back.

-- Posted by litlmissme on Wed, Jun 10, 2009, at 7:07 PM

hello i am a very sick single mom in desperate need of a vehicle if any one knows how i can get one donated i am also in need of clothes size 4 x and size 22 jeans or if any one has a cheap vehicle i could by or make small payments on

-- Posted by purpleroses on Wed, Jun 10, 2009, at 7:05 PM

The American car companies priced themselves out of business long ago..

Assembly-line workers counting benefits making the equivalent of over 80-thousand dollars a year..Glorified pickup trucks (SUV) costing 50-60-thousand dollars..

You'd have to be an idiot not to know all that was going to fall off a cliff..

They made their own bed.

-- Posted by Hombre on Wed, Jun 10, 2009, at 5:30 PM

How many are aware that Walter Chrysler once worked for the railroad in Slater?

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, Jun 10, 2009, at 5:00 PM

If Mercedes-Benz couldn't remake Chrysler through its illusion of stateliness, why do you suppose Fiat believes it has a chance?

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, Jun 10, 2009, at 3:37 PM

Just one question third child have you ever raised livestock?

-- Posted by litlmissme on Wed, Jun 10, 2009, at 3:35 PM

The 'flu hysteria' was about training the public to line up for needles full of whatever toxins the World Health Organization and big pharma want to inject you with.

"Readying Americans for Dangerous, Mandatory Vaccinations"

Excerpts:

At least three US federal laws should concern all Americans and suggest what may be coming - mandatory vaccinations for hyped, non-existant threats, like H1N1 (Swine Flu). Vaccines and drugs like Tamiflu endanger human health but are hugely profitable to drug company manufacturers.

...the FDA may now recklessly approve inadequately tested, potentially dangerous vaccines and other drugs if ever the Secretaries of Health and Human Services (HHS) or Defense (DOD) declare a national emergency, whether or not one exists and regardless of whether treatments available are safe and effective. Around $6 billion or more will be spent to develop, produce, and stockpile vaccines and other drugs to counteract claimed bioterror agents...

....From inception, vaccines have always been dangerous enough for some experts to call them biological weapons undermining health, manipulating and crippling the immune system, and creating the possibility of future debilitating diseases. So Big Pharma's solution is new, more potent genetically engineered vaccines and drugs that may end up harming or killing many who take them, especially people with weakened immune systems...

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?c...

-- Posted by Third Child on Wed, Jun 10, 2009, at 2:30 PM

I blame all this flu hysteria on the vegetable farmer's ad media and publicity agencies. First we had "mad cow" to scare us away from beef, then the bird flu to get us to shun poultry and now swine flu to destroy our love for sauage and bacon with eggs. Oops, wasn't there also a threat of ecoli or something in eggs not too many years ago? I rest my case!

-- Posted by White Tornado on Wed, Jun 10, 2009, at 10:23 AM

I don't understand why any one would have a chip on their shoulder because of this example of the corporatocracy's benevolent and consistent concern for our well being.

So what if it runs all the little folk out of farming. Their crude, and old fashioned practices should scare us to death any way. It is disgusting to think that in this modern time that small farm people can use their dirty hands to pull fresh laid eggs from a nasty nest, put em in a box, and actually sell them to local people. That is gross. Besides that who knows what those small farm chickens have been eating, running all over a pasture all day. Nasty bugs, and worms, any sort of seed or plant that catches their eye, yuk!

It is so much safer to pin those hens down so that they can't run around,and get in trouble. Then they can just drop their eggs on a nice clean conveyor belt that takes the eggs to be washed in a strong antiseptic solution before being lined up for eventual shipment to us. Why they even pack those hens full of antibiotics to keep them from ever being sick. Who could ever want anything better than that.

That micro chip program for animals is an idea whose time has come. In addition to all the wonderful benefits that the corporatocracy has been nice enough to tell us about they are saving the best for last. They are keeping mum about it for now because they know that we simple little people can only handle a limited amount of good news at one time.

I hope I don't get into trouble for letting the unchipped cat out of the bag, but do you realize what a wonderful trial run this animal micro chip business is for their big surprise to come? Once the system is set up, and we are convinced how wonderful it is, which shouldn't take long (we are so open to their suggestions) they will give us the real deal.

Each of us will get a microchip! Oh, wonderful days to come. Just think, no more lost kids, no more wandering oldsters fleeing their confinement, the boss won't have to wonder where you are, nor will the morality police, nor any other official who knows what is good for us. Hey, they may even give trackers to our preachers just so they won't have to wonder where you are on Sunday morning. What a well organized society we will become. It saddens me that I am too old to ever have the opportunity to live in the coming well regulated paradise on earth.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Jun 10, 2009, at 2:01 AM

Hundreds of Midwestern farmers called Tuesday for the federal government to scrap a national livestock identification system, saying it would fail to make food safer and intrude on private businesses. Only one farmer speaks in favor of NAIS:

"Of the 55 people who spoke in nearly four hours, only one pork producer endorsed the tracking system.

Brent Sandidge, who lives in rural Saline County about halfway between Kansas City and Jefferson City, noted that pork sales plummeted during the recent swine flu outbreak, even though pigs weren't spreading the disease. He warned other livestock producers that one infection that is not quickly contained could ruin their industries.

"I watched swine flu destroy our markets," Sandidge said before hecklers interrupted him and he stormed out of the hotel."

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/M...

-- Posted by Third Child on Tue, Jun 9, 2009, at 9:49 PM

One more comment in favor of identification is with the recent "swine flu" outbreak prices of pork dropped because people associated pork with the flu. Any one in the pork industry knows that panic was far fetched but with the identification program, that type of panic can be dis-proven, thus protecting the farmer and his livelihood.

-- Posted by litlmissme on Tue, Jun 9, 2009, at 9:01 PM

After reading all the posts on animal identification, I have done my own research and I am not sure what all the fuss is about. The cost should not put any farmer out of business. In fact, animal identification can have other benefits to the farmer. Just one benefit is that accurate record keeping, instead of the old red white face with the red dot on her head she is now 12345, and her offspring can be tracked if they have done well and allow the farmer to better his herd. In addition, in case an animal is lost or stolen there is tracking information in case they go to market.

The process to identify the animals only takes a matter of seconds, and can be done at the time of routine "working" of the animal.

Here is a website to get more information.

http://animalid.aphis.usda.gov/nais/

Participation in NAIS is voluntary at the Federal level. The NAIS does not need to be

mandatory to be effective; we believe the goals of the system can be achieved with a

voluntary program. As producers become increasingly aware of the benefits of the NAIS

and the level of voluntary participation grows, there will only be less need to make the

program mandatory.

-- Posted by litlmissme on Tue, Jun 9, 2009, at 8:24 PM

Food safety, the true motivation of USDA?

http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0804...

"Mad Cow Watch Goes Blind" Creekstone Farms, a Kansas beef producer, wants to reassure customers that its cattle are safe to eat by testing them all for mad cow disease. Sounds like a smart business move, but there's one problem: The federal government won't let the company do it.

The U.S. Department of Agriculture is blocking companies from selling the testing kits to Creekstone.

USDA is doing the bidding of large cattle barons afraid that Creekstone's marketing will force them to do the same tests to stay competitive. It's true that the incidence of mad cow disease is quite low. But there's little logic in stopping a company from exceeding regulations to meet the demands of its customers, or protecting its rivals from legitimate competition.

Not only is USDA blocking Creekstone, the department said last month that it's reducing its mad cow testing program by 90%. The industry and its sympathetic regulators seem to believe that the problem isn't mad cow disease. It's tests that find mad cow.

The department tests only 1% of the roughly 100,000 cattle slaughtered daily. The new plan will test only 110 cows a day.

By cutting back on testing, USDA will save about $35 million a year. That's a pittance compared with the devastation the cattle industry could face if just one human case of mad cow disease is linked to domestic beef.

"In a nation dedicated to free market competition," says John Stewart, CEO of Creekstone, which is suing USDA, "a company that wants to do more than is required to ensure the quality of its product and to satisfy customer demand should be allowed to do so."

When regulators disagree with reasoning like that, you know the game is rigged.

© 2006 USA Today

-- Posted by Third Child on Tue, Jun 9, 2009, at 4:35 PM

More information about NAIS, from a different source:

http://animalid.aphis.usda.gov/nais/

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Tue, Jun 9, 2009, at 12:20 PM

Thanks for the link, KF. Interesting report. Also amusing in one or two spots:

* * * * * * * *

"Pretty much unannounced; we make an unannounced visit," said Steve Gill, a manager in the Department of Agriculture's Division of Weights and Measures.

* * * * * * * *

We consumers should be surprised to learn how common this problem is, and we should be routinely checking the numbers on our receipts against the posted prices.

I'm sure errors can occur, unintended or not.

-- Posted by Slater on Tue, Jun 9, 2009, at 9:36 AM

"what is wrong with NAIS?"

A farm community should have been aware of this.

From the link provided:

http://nonais.org/2009/06/05/protest-aga...

NAIS is a three phase program designed by the USDA and the Nat'l Institute for Animal Agriculture to advance guidelines for international trade through an agency of the World Trade Organization called the OIE. NAIS will tag and track movements of 33 species of animals worldwide. Phase 1 requires livestock owners to obtain a GPS linked Premise ID number for their property. Phase 2 requires all animals be identified with an international ID device. Phase 3 requires electronic reporting of movements on or off a premises to effectuate 48 hour trace-back to the premises of origin of any and every animal. Each phase is predicated upon the preceding phase. There can be no NAIS animal ID without a NAIS premises ID.

Opposition to NAIS is strongest from independent cattlemen, small farmers and hobbyists.

Doreen Hannes is a researcher, author and public speaker whose family has a small farm and raises much of their own food. She states, "The design of NAIS is effectively a license to farm. This program would cost us at least $4,000 the first year. There is no method for growers to recoup the cost of the program, and the implementation of NAIS will be the destruction of the family farm and rural America. The cost to freedom is simply immeasurable."

-- Posted by Third Child on Tue, Jun 9, 2009, at 8:24 AM

Slater: I don't have the full answer to your question about supermarket scanners yet, but here's a story about a few in Springfield:

http://www.ky3.com/news/specialreports/1...

And for readers who have complaints about grocery store scanners, here's the number to call at Missouri Dept. of Agriculture: 573-751-4211

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Tue, Jun 9, 2009, at 6:25 AM

I recall reading in the paper about the Albertson's grocery chain (Calif. stores) being caught tampering with their scanners.

Are all stores using scanning register equipment required to post the price of items someplace, like on the item, or on the shelf where the item is made available?

-- Posted by Slater on Mon, Jun 8, 2009, at 5:42 PM

Paper Pro-

Not only do I check my receipts before I leave the cash register lane at Walmart, I also watch as items are scanned. This is how I know how often the wrong prices are rung up.

I'm not being cynical, I'm being realistic. Walmart has to make a profit somewhere. It is a fact that they price to undercut their local competition. Go to different Walmarts in different towns and you'll see that prices are not uniform throughout the country, a state or even a region.

What will happen though when the competition is gone. Will prices remain so cheap, or will you still get the same cheap merchandise at a more expensive cost?

-- Posted by Reader101 on Mon, Jun 8, 2009, at 5:26 PM

Thank you Kathy. However, I still think it would have been best to keep it in Saline County. Cheap meat...it was obvious in taste.

-- Posted by pumpkin08 on Mon, Jun 8, 2009, at 4:18 PM

pumpkin08: Your question about where the meat for the Saline County BBQ was purchased is answered in this story:

http://www.marshallnews.com/story/154570...

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Mon, Jun 8, 2009, at 4:10 PM

Just a question? Is anyone else having problems with MAC at park? My child is in BMS, but can not go to pool alone. Sunday, we went as a family and I was shock. There was food all over the tables and the ground. A couple on the back wall was playing a game under a towel that should have been for a bedroom. My husband finally said sometime to them as well another parent there. Is the pool under staff?

-- Posted by take5 on Mon, Jun 8, 2009, at 1:53 PM

So DO what is wrong with NAIS?

-- Posted by Gal66 on Mon, Jun 8, 2009, at 11:33 AM

Reader101, Wal-Mart does not intentionaly trick people into buying things at a higher cost, it happens sometimes, but not on purpose. If you're so cynical maybe you should check the receipt before you leave the store.

-- Posted by PaperPro on Mon, Jun 8, 2009, at 10:11 AM

Pharmacuticals aren't the only product that Walmart sells under cost. Many of the items in the big displays at the end of aisles, or the in the main aisles are prices under cost, they're referred to as "loss leaders". It's to get you in the door. But you have to ask yourself, how does Walmart do billions of dollars a year in sales if they sell stuff under cost, or lose money on the sale of every one of a certain item? Easy, they rip you off on the many other items you buy. Check their prices carefully. We expect that the larger family or economy size of an item will be the best value. Not at Walmart. Often the larger sizes cost more than 2 of the smaller size which give you the same amount. I've seen this in everything from toilet paper and napkins, to toothpaste, deodarant, even mac and cheese. Also, you have to watch the price items ring up as at the cash register. Often an item that is supposed to be on sale will not ring up at the sale price, but the regular price, and you won't realize it till your home if even then. Just think about it, a dollar here, 50 cents there times all the millions of people that shop at Walmart everyday, and that's how they still make money when they sell some items under cost.

-- Posted by Reader101 on Sun, Jun 7, 2009, at 11:52 PM

So, why is it that the "Saline County" BBQ board, purchased all the meat in "Lafayette County"? Pretty pathetic.

-- Posted by pumpkin08 on Sun, Jun 7, 2009, at 7:30 PM

I give myself an F for reading any of this.

-- Posted by broke-n-busted on Sun, Jun 7, 2009, at 10:45 AM

News Across, you get a C+ for persistent strawman argumentation but you get an F for failing to refute the fact of racist and eugenicist origins of Planned Parenthood. The abortion movement was not begun out of concern for women's rights.

More:

The Negro Project

Margaret Sanger's Eugenic Plan for Black Americans

http://www.citizenreviewonline.org/speci...

http://blackgenocide.org/sanger.html

This too: http://www.rense.com/general21/hw.htm

Gloria Steinem - How The CIA Used Feminism To Destabilize Society By Henry Makow, Ph.D.

TooGoodReports.com

-- Posted by Third Child on Sat, Jun 6, 2009, at 10:44 PM

Tori, I'll thank you in his stead. I know Jim would've happily done his part to earn your business.

Yes, he had the respect of his employees as well. During the busy times you'd find him in the midst of the flurry, running a checkout line, sacking groceries, and carrying them out for his customers. He swept floors, stocked the shelves, always helping his employees.

Jim isn't a superman, but he is one of those rare individuals with the kind of characteristics and traits we'd like to see in the ones on the opposite side of the counters.

-- Posted by Slater on Sat, Jun 6, 2009, at 10:04 PM

Third Child, the link you posted is to an article by Jefferis Kent Peterson. Peterson is a writer for a Christian Church website called "Scholar's Corner." He writes an opinion on a subject in which he has no expertise and on a website that is clearly opposed to the 14th Amendment's equal protection clause establishing a woman's right to choose to end her own pregnancy within the first two trimesters and before the fetus reaches the point of viability (after which the States are free to regulate abortion). I have no problem with reading differing views on the subject of our Constitutional rights, however if you wish to use this editorial written by Mr. Peterson and published on a Christian website as an argument that somehow Planned Parenthood is conspiring to commit crimes against humanity...you may want to find an objective source such as factual, physical evidence as well as multiple expert opinion (and a hell of a lot of both) if you want to have any real impact in support of your thesis.

I give your essay an F for failure.

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Jun 6, 2009, at 8:12 PM

News Across,

Henry Makow is not a neocon. Margaret Sangor is more neocon than Henry Makow.

Here is another source for you:

http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/users/ra...

The modern day abortion rights movement began as the American Birth Control League in 1921. Among its founding board members were Margaret Sanger, Lothrup Stoddard, and C. C. Little. The latter two people were known for their racist views, but Margaret Sanger continually shows up in the company of other racists. In fact, she was the guest speaker at a Ku Klux Klan rally in Silverlake, N. J. in 1926.[1] Not only did she not disassociate herself from these racist views, her own writings leave little doubt as to her sympathies. In implementing a plan called the "Negro Project," that was designed to sterilize Blacks and reduce the number of Black children being born in the south, Sanger wrote:

"[We propose to] hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. And we do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members." [2]

-- Posted by Third Child on Sat, Jun 6, 2009, at 7:03 PM

Slater, your old friend sounds like he would have been a wonderful and caring manager to work for. I bet his employees gave 100% because they respected him.

I would have shopped in his store, no doubt about it.

-- Posted by Tori on Sat, Jun 6, 2009, at 6:35 PM

Third Child,

the blog site you used as a source of information is penned by a well known neoconservative blogger and his position opposing the right of women to make their own medical decisions is one commonly held by neoconservatives. Neocon is short for neoconservative. Perhaps this will help you out:

neoconservative:

Main Entry:neo·con·ser·va·tive

Pronunciation:\ˌnē-ō-kən-ˈsər-və-tiv\

Function:noun

Date:1952

1 : a former liberal espousing political conservatism

2 : a conservative who advocates the assertive promotion of democracy and United States national interest in international affairs including through military means

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionar...

or this:

neoconservative:

ne·o·con·ser·va·tive [ n ō kən súrvətiv ] (plural ne·o·con·ser·va·tives)

noun

Definition:

supporter of return to conservative values: somebody who, during the mid-1980s, began to support conservatism in society, and in politics in particular, as a reaction to the social freedoms sought throughout the 1960s and early 1970s

http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/d...

or this:

neoconservative definition: neo·con·ser·va·tive (-kən sʉr′və tiv)

adjective

designating or of an intellectual, political movement that evolved in the late 1970s in reaction to liberal and leftist thought, advocating individualism (senses & ), traditional moral standards, anti-Communist foreign policy, etc.

noun

a neoconservative person

http://www.yourdictionary.com/neoconserv...

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Jun 6, 2009, at 5:52 PM

Hold on I am still laughing over this comment:

"On another note, if local businesses had not price gouged their offerings by 300%"

I guess you think Wal-Mart only marks their items up 25%...ha ha ha ha yeah right. 300% is on the low end of their mark up...

Customer Service is a big selling point for a lot of people, as has been noted by other posters. Also, being able to find what I need.

As far as the chair story, I don't doubt that this is 100% true. However what I will say is that, the store in Columbia...likely gets a better bottom line price. They have the same mark up. but when their cost is lower your price is lower. That isn't the local business's fault, but for those who don't care or don't feel like driving to Columbia and moving the chair themselves...that extra money is well worth it. To each their own.

-- Posted by Scarpetta on Sat, Jun 6, 2009, at 5:28 PM

News across,

If you want to be taken seriously it would help your cause to stop labeling everything you don't agree with as "neocon".

I've read the Sangor quotes elsewhere. Ever hear the term eugenics? Hitler didn't dream that up all by himself. It's a hard pill to swallow but plans of massive depopulation are real. Do some research and you will see..

-- Posted by Third Child on Sat, Jun 6, 2009, at 5:24 PM

Third Child,

In your comment regarding the issue of a woman's right to choose...a right well established and rooted within the 14th Ammendment to the Constitution...you cite one and only one source for your information...a neoconservative blog (non-expert opinion), . I went to that site and found that the author of the non-expert opinion cites only you-tube and other neocon blog (non-expert opinion) sites as his sources of information. That makes the source you cited both unqualified and inaccurate. No reputable academic organization anywhere in the World would accept that neocon bloger as a legitmate source of information and that citation would not be deemed acceptable. If you want to support your thesis, you will need to find legitimate, credibile, accurate sources of information...otherwise you are merely re-stating your own empty opinion.

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Jun 6, 2009, at 4:28 PM

My viewpoint about shopping coincides with Tori's. I tend to buy from the places where the experience is positive and the personnel are customer-oriented, even if it does cost a little extra. I much prefer to enjoy spending my money in an establishment that genuinely wants me as a customer.

I have an old friend whose work career consisted of managing a grocery store. He made a point of learning his customers' names, and he always had a cheerful greeting and pleasant comments for everyone who came into the store. It was a good marketing technique made better because he was sincere, and his customers knew that about him. I believe he would've been successful in any retail business because of it.

-- Posted by Slater on Sat, Jun 6, 2009, at 11:37 AM

Bernard Nathanson, M.D., co-founder of pro-abortion "National Association for the Repeal of Abortion Laws" recalled creating the slogans for 'pro-choice' public relations with Betty Friedan back in 1968. Such slogans included, "Women must have control over their own bodies." , and "Freedom of choice - a basic American right."

"I remember laughing when we made those slogans up. We were looking for some sexy, catchy slogans to capture public opinion. They were very cynical slogans then, just as all of these slogans today are very, very cynical."

It was a racket. Promote the breakdown of marriage while simultaneously promoting promiscuous sex behavior, with abortion as handy backup birth control. The only thing better would be if the federal government covered the abortion cost for impoverished teens - the very demographic targeted by Sanger's eugenics agenda..

http://www.henrymakow.com/obama_planned_...

-- Posted by Third Child on Sat, Jun 6, 2009, at 11:33 AM

Planned Parenthood

In a 1934 letter, Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood, wrote to her financial sponsor, Clarence Gamble (the Proctor & Gamble heir) :

"We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We don't want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members."

2007:

Speaking before Rockefeller sponsored Planned Parenthood's 'Action fund' banquet July 17th 2007, candidate Barack Obama made his public announcement that his 'first act as President' would be signing FOCA ("Freedom of Choice Act") It was.

The "Freedom of Choice" act amounts to de-regulation of the abortion industry and provides free federally funded abortions on demand. Obama is that 'colored minister with social-service background and engaging personality' Sanger envisioned...

http://www.henrymakow.com/obama_planned_...

-- Posted by Third Child on Sat, Jun 6, 2009, at 11:30 AM

John Q, thanks for refreshing my memory about the Wal*Mart charges.

Coincidentally, around that same time some administrator in the federal HHS did a study of pharmacy drug prices and found that Costco and Wal*Mart offered the lowest prices for a group of commonly-prescribed medications.

It would be of interest to see the results if that same study were conducted today.

-- Posted by Slater on Sat, Jun 6, 2009, at 11:15 AM

Trying to compete with Wal-Mart is like trying to compete with the Govt. It's virtually impossible to do when they make the rules.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Sat, Jun 6, 2009, at 9:33 AM

Folks, what a busines has to do to compete with WalMart is to offer something they don't. I'm talking about more than just product. Think personal service. If a business offers terrific customer service, that's a business I'm going to frequent.

I'm going to shop in the place that is the most helpful and courteous. Sometimes I do have to pay more but I use my common sense. If it's too much more, I'll do without or make do rather than go somewhere that has lousy customer service. Or employs people who have no common sense or people skills. We won't even go into that problem! I could write a book....

I'd say 98% of the time I can accomplish most of my shopping within the county. Kind of difficult at times to find a few things. Like clothing, some food items, shoes and a good book. I do sew and quilt and mend but I have enough material to last me the rest of my life and yours too!

-- Posted by Tori on Sat, Jun 6, 2009, at 8:33 AM

Why people don't shop in Marshall...True story.

I bought a chair in Columbia ($300), saw it at Hartley's, six hundred some dollars marked down to five hundred some dollars. With the big sale going on it has been marked up to eight hundred some dollars, so they will be able to "slash the price just for me".

-- Posted by Pasta on Sat, Jun 6, 2009, at 7:53 AM

Slater, Wal-Mart was found guilty in federal court for price fixing and predatory business practices in their pharmaceutical business. Local pharmacists filed a complaint and proved that Wal-Mart was selling pharmaceuticals in certain retail areas under their costs in an effort to control the market.

Wal-Mart claimed that their competition didn't understand aggressive marketing. The judge told Wal-Mart that they didn't seem to understand predatory business practices according to the Federal Trade Commission rules.

-- Posted by John Q. on Sat, Jun 6, 2009, at 2:32 AM

R . I. .P. (GOCHIEFS)

-- Posted by Jo on Fri, Jun 5, 2009, at 8:31 PM

CN, there are many 4-H kids, teachers, and students who need materials for projects. In fact, in this economy more people need to repair old clothing. Rural areas are more likely to require fabric and notions.

-- Posted by oneofmany on Fri, Jun 5, 2009, at 6:26 PM

They drive out all the competition, because of their low low prices. Then once the competition is gone...the jack the prices up.

-- Posted by Scarpetta on Fri, Jun 5, 2009, at 5:24 PM

Yes..a Supercenter in Boonville. Not sure when it opens...

I'm sure the small business owner in Glasgow and Fayette will be jumping up and down over that..you think.

Good luck to the small shop owner. You're going to need it.

Exactly what job "opportunities" does Wal Mart bring to Marshall.. you mean those low-paying minimum wage jobs that garner no benefits and were spawned from other small businesses having to close or scale back jobs? Maybe I'll ask some of those workers for a loan some time with all that money you believe they're making..

And as you apparently ignored..Sales tax collections in Saline county are down not up, so what does that tell you. People are still going out of town to shop.. meanwhile some businesses have closed or have had to cutback drastically to try and stay open.

You won't see it today or tomorrow or next year..but a town this size with no visible growth in the near past and future will be hurt not helped by a Supercenter..

There's only so many dollars to go around without a visible increase in population and a diversity in job creation.

-- Posted by Hombre on Fri, Jun 5, 2009, at 4:48 PM

I just heard about the death of gochiefs. RIP my friend. You were witty, smart and funny. Your postings will be missed.

-- Posted by luvthoseowls on Fri, Jun 5, 2009, at 4:21 PM

ND, John Q told me a few months back that you're a prolific reader, and I've wondered what type content you enjoy most.

-- Posted by Slater on Fri, Jun 5, 2009, at 4:05 PM

Hombre, do you mean to say that the super store is going up over at Boonville?

-- Posted by Slater on Fri, Jun 5, 2009, at 3:57 PM

Hombre - as for what Wal-Mart has done for Warsaw (if you mean Warsaw, MO) it has brought jobs to a town which had none and the city passed a city sales tax so the weekenders help foot the bill for infrastructure improvements as opposed to raising property taxes so Wal-Mart has done a lot for our town. If Wal-Mart weren't here, people would stop in Sedalia, Clinton, or Buffalo to buy the weekend supplies. Plus being open 24/7 vs. the local grocery store which closes early is a huge plus for the local shoppers.

-- Posted by Air Force Wife on Fri, Jun 5, 2009, at 3:39 PM

You really should educate yourself about what "Walmart does for the community"..

If you mean they give a giant check to some charity for 500-dollars when they have billions then wow, that percentage must really be breaking them..LOL

Ask folks in Brookfield and Warsaw and soon Boonville what its done for them.

And by the way sales tax collections are down in Saline county this year if I'm not mistaken.

Looks like people are still going out of town to shop. Who would have guessed.

-- Posted by Hombre on Fri, Jun 5, 2009, at 3:23 PM

"thank you Wal-Mart for single handedly keeping the Chinese working while forcing your own workers to require govt' assistance just to get by."

Just business, right?

-- Posted by Third Child on Fri, Jun 5, 2009, at 1:55 PM

ND, go here to see and read about your next VW. :)

http://editorial.autos.msn.com/slideshow...

-- Posted by Slater on Fri, Jun 5, 2009, at 1:11 PM

Is it just me or does Marshall seem to have more than it's fair share of people that commute by riding lawnmower?

-- Posted by hunterfisher on Fri, Jun 5, 2009, at 12:10 PM

Aw shucks, Cosa Nostra...and here I thought you didn't love me.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Fri, Jun 5, 2009, at 11:14 AM

Wal-Mart may have built a "better mousetrap" but they did on it the backs of thier employees and the taxpayers.

Consistently making sure very few employees achieve full time status thus minimizing any potential benefits they might recieve.

Coaching employees on how to take advantage of foodstamps and housing assistance and other govt programs because they can't earn a living wage at Wal-Mart. The working poor.

So yes, thank you Wal-Mart for single handedly keeping the Chinese working while forcing your own workers to require govt' assistance just to get by.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, Jun 5, 2009, at 10:45 AM

KF, I believe Wal*Mart got into trouble once upon a time for price fixing.

Let's say someone started a business, like a Notions business, for example, and the business was intended to be mostly a hobby and not a sole means of support. Prices could/should be more reasonable, given this situation, but I wonder if another seller would try to make trouble over pricing.

One last comment about Wal*Mart: If Wal*Mart was the only place to buy non-perishable goods, I'd do without. I'm pleased that Wal*Mart got its come-uppance by forcing the Notions shops to close, then discovering there's no great demand for those items. A small victory, to be sure, but those of us who oppose the Wal*Mart philosophy are pleased.

Does anyone know what's taken place at Boonville regarding Wal*Mart's intent to build a super store there? I remember reading in the Columbia paper some time ago that Wal*Mart had purchased some land in an incorporated area and intended to build a new store, but the city halted the project after learning what was up.

-- Posted by Slater on Fri, Jun 5, 2009, at 10:37 AM

Cosa Nostra: If you read down a short way, you'll notice that I specifically said "this is a business decision" and noted that fewer people sew. It's unquestionably true that this is the reason for the closing of WalMart's sewing center here. But it is also true that when WalMart opened, other stores closed. That is the way of business everywhere, not just here and certainly not just because of WalMart. It's progress, it's change, it's unfortunate, but it's necessary.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Fri, Jun 5, 2009, at 10:28 AM

Slater, it's the notions that get the real money and there are so many of them! "Ooohh...what cute little buttons! And look at that adorable trim...and the rickrack is so cute.... and those appliques..." and next thing you know, your little basket is full of that stuff and it's another $100 visit to what I used to call "the red zone" when the local store still carried that stuff.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Fri, Jun 5, 2009, at 7:50 AM

There's a walmart about a mile down the road from us. I went in it once, looking for a pair of reading glasses. Didn't find any glasses, but I did help myself to a cup of McDonald's coffee from the place inside the store. Since that time I decided I won't patronize walmarts as long as they take advantage of their employees. I can't vouch for the quality (or lack thereof) of their merchandise.

My wife bought a new sewing maching about a month ago. It's still in the carton, but if she ever gets it out I may have to start an online notions business. :)

I just looked at the other page, and, as Harry Carey would've said, CARDS WIN! CARDS WIN!

-- Posted by Slater on Thu, Jun 4, 2009, at 9:39 PM

ceh_meh: I wouldn't count on that lasting a long time. Sedalia's WalMart still has a sewing section, but I'm told its days are numbered. The one in the town where my daughter lives is gone, too.

It's a business decision, no question about it. There are far fewer people sewing than there used to be (by that I mean sewing clothes, as opposed to quilting, which is always popular), so there's just not the market there used to be. And with clothes, especially kid's clothes, so much cheaper these days, it's not the money-saver it once was.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Thu, Jun 4, 2009, at 9:04 PM

Slater and KF:

Even here in southern CA some Wally-world stores have closed their fabric/sewing section, but the Super Wally near us hasn't done so yet. My wife sews alot.

-- Posted by ceh_meh@verizon.net on Thu, Jun 4, 2009, at 8:29 PM

mom and pop stores cannot compete with wal-mart, unless they offer items of which wal-mart cannot provide. it is sad to see small businesses in the area fail, but that leads to let the strong survive and the weak go away. wal-mart is one of the best things that have come into marshall. not only does it employ hundreds of people but it brings business to our town from the smaller communities in the area. wal-mart is a one stop shop, and lately its cheaper to get everything there then it would be to drive all over town.

-- Posted by moving soon on Thu, Jun 4, 2009, at 6:22 PM

Few local business are able to hold their own against Wal-Mart. Those that can, have us the consumer to thank. I for one, stay away from Wal-Mart when possible. I need to do some shopping...we have two dollar stores (soon to be 3) and two grocery stores that don't fall under Wal-Mart. This is where I choose to shop.

The local business in town have to do all their work them selves, unlike Wal-Mart. While yes the typical Wal-Mart employee will stock shelves that come off a Wal-Mart truck...how often do you see a paid Wal-Mart employee stocking something that comes off another truck (i.e. Pepsi, Coke, Frito Lay...etc.)? You don't. If you Wal-Mart had to play by the same rules as the 'mom & pop' places things might be different.

Support local business, they usually know where stuff is at in their stores. :)

-- Posted by Scarpetta on Thu, Jun 4, 2009, at 12:20 PM

Slater: There were, I've been told, two local fabric stores here when WalMart came to town. They subsequently closed. And then WalMart closed down its sewing area, too, which led to the current situation of nothing close by to meet those needs.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Thu, Jun 4, 2009, at 11:55 AM

"So, it was the walmart counter that closed and not a locally-owned store."

I'll bet the locally owned store was closed when chinamart came to town with their lavish tax break incentives. The pattern is to kill the local economy wherever they go. Mega global slavemarts get a free pass and the local business wilts on the vine.

-- Posted by Third Child on Thu, Jun 4, 2009, at 11:00 AM

Ohhhh! So, it was the walmart counter that closed and not a locally-owned store.

See, Cheetah? My memory DOES fail me when I don't pay attention.

Thanks for the lesson, KF. :)

-- Posted by Slater on Thu, Jun 4, 2009, at 10:43 AM

Sweetheart tax abatements to multi-billion dollar monster corporations shift the burden to..

guess who??

AP: Gov. Jay Nixon signed legislation Thursday eliminating Missouri's corporate franchise tax..

Supporters are hopeful the package will encourage expansions by several particular companies, including St. Louis-based seed-maker Monsanto Co..

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/M...

-- Posted by Third Child on Thu, Jun 4, 2009, at 10:19 AM

Slater: "Notions" are buttons, thread, zippers, those kinds of things, pretty much everything that's not fabric (which some people call "material"). And now that WalMart has closed that part of its business, the closest place for any of those items is 30 miles. Women don't sew as much as they used to, but it's still a very useful skill.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Thu, Jun 4, 2009, at 7:37 AM

Cable and satellite companies differ vastly in one area of programming...high definition channels offered. Cable can't begin to compare, at least around here. Windjammer 18 channels and satellite well over 100.

If you have never seen high-def programming on a nice high-def tv then you are missing out tv and sports junkies.

-- Posted by hunterfisher on Thu, Jun 4, 2009, at 1:10 AM

Heh heh heh...Cheetah, of course it was not my intention to put you on the hot seat among your neighbors. Was I mistaken, or did I misunderstand your remark from that earlier time? :)

It stems from prior posts about a shop selling notions and fabrics (ladies, does the term notions include fabrics?) which had closed or was on the verge of closing due to the West Side competition (walmart).

That talk got me thinking about how small towns in America have changed, and I posted my thoughts on the subject.

Part of your response (I think you were the only one who responded) was that comment about how your neighbors never come outside unless they have to, how people no longer get outdoors for walks and to socialize with their neighbors.

I remember those days when people would go for walks and visit with the neighbors who were also out walking or sitting out enjoying the outdoors. Air conditioning is one of the reasons why people have disappeared, but maybe the biggest reason is a qualitative loss. So many residents no longer have that perceived innocence that was so common until it began to disappear around the start of the 1960s.

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, Jun 3, 2009, at 6:56 PM

I must say that if Direct TV wrongs you...they try to correct it 10 fold..When we first had our satelite installed, it failed the next day. After waiting a week they finally came and ended up replacing the box and gave us all the movie channels free. We were paying for HD and werent getting all the channels we paid for...so they gave us HD free for a year and our DVR is free for a year as well....dont hesitate to call and complain!!! they will "hook you up"!!!

-- Posted by speedfingers on Wed, Jun 3, 2009, at 4:26 PM

"They still have the black book, so how about some charges???"

I think it's pretty much swept under the rug.

-- Posted by Third Child on Wed, Jun 3, 2009, at 2:50 PM

Thanks for bringup the U Tube artical. I've been watching for something more about it. Hope they don't get to sweep it under the rug again! These girls needs better justice than they got! They still have the black book, so how about some charges??? The Girls, got charged!

-- Posted by Jo on Wed, Jun 3, 2009, at 1:35 PM

Does anyone remember when cable tv controllers were not wireless?

We lived in Kansas City before moving to Texas in 1981, and we got cable tv service probably around the mid-70s, maybe '75 or '76.

Our service came with a controllelr device which was connected by wire to the converter box on the tv.

I don't have any memory of what the reception was like, so it must have compared favorably to that received through an antenna. I suppose the varied programming was the deciding factor.

Golly, that was the dark age, almost, eh? :)

Having had both types of service for a long period, I believe I could say that satellite service is now the equivalent of cable service. One is no better than the other in terms of signal quality and reliability, generally speaking. Pricing is fairly even, channel lineup is fairly even, and repair/maintenance is fairly even. The primary disadvantage for comsumers is that all of them shuffle the lineup so that those two or three channels you just have to have are in the next tier in terms of pricing.

And, why does anyone on the other end believe we want 40 or 50 audio channels?

Cheetah once remarked about his neighbors who seldom were seen outdoors. The big eye in the corner has most all of us captivated and turned into couch potatoes, and the purveyors of viewing take full advantage.

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, Jun 3, 2009, at 12:29 PM

actually ontheside, windjammer only offers fox sports midwest on it's lineup which you are correct is on channel 25. the bad part about this is that almost all of the royals games are shown on the separate network fox sports kc which windjammer in marshall does not carry. 142 to be exact, fox sports midwest only carries about half that number of the royals at best and for some reason cardinals games get blacked out on fox sports midwest alot.

not so if you have directv, you get both fox sports kc and midwest and none of the cards or royals games are blacked out. try that with cable. so aikman is technically right, you get fox sports midwest, but only part of what you should get.

-- Posted by Paulie Walnuts on Wed, Jun 3, 2009, at 7:48 AM

Re: DC Madam 'suicide'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lt6O0ruFm...

Fox News' Geraldo has 'conspiracy theorist' Alex Jones on to examine the evidence that shows that DC Madam Deborah Jean Palfrey was murdered-- despite the official claim that she committed suicide.

-- Posted by Third Child on Tue, Jun 2, 2009, at 11:09 PM

Hi Cheetah,

It's Dish Network that can't keep the signal when the wind blows, not DirecTV.

I had DishNetwork for three years and the service got so bad I finally threw in the towel and switched to DirecTV in 2003 and I've had virtually no trouble since, even during the storms. We did have to replace the coverter boxes a few months ago, but they were free, including the DVR box.

A case can be made for both types of service, I believe, but I'm pleased with the satellite.

They love me so much they gave us free movie channels for a year - Showtime and Stars. Neither are of interest to me, but, hey, they're free! :)

I don't do testimonials, so this isn't one. I'm just reporting my experience. Before I switched to satellite, we got good cable service. A card showed up in the mail offering a free satellite system, so I decided to try it and that was nearly 10 years ago. As long as the price is reasonable I'll continue with the satellite.

So, now they're wanting a two-year contract, eh? The greed mentality has become well-ingrained at the satellite office, it seems.

Just in case I let the time get away from me, Happy Summer Solstice, everyone! :) Soon to be, at any rate.

-- Posted by Slater on Tue, Jun 2, 2009, at 5:47 PM

Let me just say that over a year ago I switched to DTV and absolutely love it. I had had cable for well over 10 years and have never had the costumer service I have with DTV. As for the signal going out when the wind blows, no way. I have only lost the signal once (in a really bad rain storm that had tornado warning with it) and it was back up very quickly. With cable I spent ALOT of time on the phone with them because my signal went out. We lost an HD NFL game in the middle of the game and it took over an hour for the feed to come back, and not in HD. Yes I have to pay $4 a month for the local channels, but I get all of them in HD!!! Plus I get the Royals and Cardinal games in HD. The local cable service only has 18 HD channels, and I currently have over 120 including PBS. I don't even have the sports package and I also get NFL Network, NHL Network, Tennis channel, MBL Network all in HD. As for keeping a 2 year contract, heck yes I'll keep it considering if I decide to move they will move all of my programing and equipment for FREE!!!

-- Posted by snoozes on Tue, Jun 2, 2009, at 4:53 PM

Direct TV will be the best move you ever made..

There's no comparison to the local cable company..absolutely none..

You get the Royals and Cardinals and tons more..

I've had it for years and have only once had any prolonged signal problems due to weather and it took a helluva storm for that to happen..

-- Posted by Hombre on Tue, Jun 2, 2009, at 4:48 PM

There was a note on channel 10 stating that channel 55 was moving to channel 25...So Fox Sports is still on your cable TV.

As for the Royals games, they too are broadcast on Fox Sports. You can probably get a list of the Royal games that are broadcast from the cable office. Perhaps you should check things out before you start bashing a local business.

-- Posted by ontheside on Tue, Jun 2, 2009, at 3:26 PM

Would someone at The Demo News please do an article on why our wonderful local cable company decided to drop Fox Sports KC (previously Ch. 55) completely from its programming? I realize to a non-sports fan this means nothing, but to a big baseball and Royals fan, as I am, and I'm sure there are many others in town, they just completely dropped the Royals from their TV lineup!

They did add Fox Sports Midwest down on Ch. 25, which carries the Cardinals, that's fine, happy to have it, I love the Cardinals as well, but to do this is the middle of the season, with no advance notice other than some small-print official notice in the classifieds weeks ago, and to completely get rid of the Royals? Let's see ... hmmmmm ... Kansas City, an hour away ..... St. Louis, 3 hours away ....

I would have thought that good ol' Windjammer would have at least moved the Royals to their digital lineup, but after several calls to their customer service center and viewing the Windjammer website, Fox Sports KC is indeed gone completely from their lineup. Tried to call and talk to someone in the local office, but all calls are forwarded to the national service center - go figure. Great customer service there guys.

Would love to know at what level this clueless decision was made on, who made it, and why??!?! Very unhappy with Windjammer right now - guess I'll be making a phone call to Direct TV in the near future.

-- Posted by aikman8 on Tue, Jun 2, 2009, at 2:28 PM

May 18, 2009 -- More than 40 U.S. Counter-Terrorism and Intelligence Agency veterans have

severely criticized the official account of 9/11 and most have called for a new investigation. It is outrageous that most Americans are entirely unaware of their publicly stated concerns -- a direct result of the refusal of national print and broadcast news organizations to cover this extremely important issue. There is no denying the credibility of these individuals or their loyalty to their country as demonstrated by their years of service collecting and analyzing information and planning and carrying out operations critical to the national security of the United States.

These 41 individuals formerly served in the U.S. State Department, the National Security

Agency, the Central Intelligence Agency, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the Federal

Aviation Administration, U.S. Customs and Border Protection and the branches of the U.S.

Military.

http://patriotsquestion911.com/Counterte...

-- Posted by Third Child on Tue, Jun 2, 2009, at 8:56 AM

Upsedaisy: No one has to defend me or my comments! When someone attacks me with there comments,i will defend myself! This midmocrate has no common sense, as far as i'm concerned! I personally think he's a brainwashed individual,on his Politic.I don't care who in our Government, (Rep. or Dem) makes some ridiculous, insane, statement about Policy, and then tries to convince the public to go along with it, that's insanity when common sense tells you it's wrong! But over the years i've seen it done in Politic & the Churchés! And over and over again ,its successful for the Churchés & Politician! I can't believe the majority of the American people are fooled so easily,or like i was , just not concerned enough. But i really got concerned when the two evil S.O.Bs, (Bush & Cheney) got so many of our Brave Men & Women, killed, under the Patriotic nonsense! It's one thing to go to War when you have to, like Japan or Germany! I won't say Vietnam or Korea because i felt they were an unnecessary war like Iraq. And i was in Korea! So i can make a judgement on the way i felt at the time.It didn't make good common sense to me! So i don't need Protection from anyone, i can protect myself, but thanks anyway,upsedaisy!!

-- Posted by Jo on Tue, Jun 2, 2009, at 2:18 AM

To midmocat and others who feel that those who disagree w/your positions do not have the right to express their opinions. You describe them as "misguided with ignorant beliefs." You are shocked that anyone would believe Bill Moyer. I watched the show, and had to stop the images were disturbing. It's on between 11-12 midnight. Wish it were on earlier.

There are a lot of people who went to the polls and repudiated the Bush-Cheney administration. Jo is a citizen of the United States and she is entitled to her opinion. There are quite a number of readers of speaking out who are in complete agreement with Jo. Your comment , "For someone such as Jo" is patronizing in the extreme.

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Mon, Jun 1, 2009, at 8:35 PM

Kathy, we are just talking about professionals that aren't afraid to put their careers and lives on the line to speak up about the lies of 911. Not every American signed the Declaration of Independence. It took too much courage for most.

http://www.pilotsfor911truth.org/

Pilots for 9/11 Truth is an organization of aviation professionals and pilots throughout the globe who have gathered together for one purpose. We are committed to seeking the truth surrounding the events of the 11th of September 2001. Our main focus concentrates on the four flights, maneuvers performed and the reported pilots. We do not offer theory or point blame at this point in time. However, we are focused on determining the truth of that fateful day based on solid data and facts -- since 9/11/2001 is the catalyst for many of the events shaping our world today -- and the United States Government doesn't seem to be very forthcoming with answers or facts.

We stand with the numerous other growing organizations of Firefighters, Medical Professionals, Lawyers, Scholars, Scientists, Architects and Engineers, Veterans, Religious and Political Leaders, along side family members of the victims -- family members of soldiers who have made the ultimate sacrifice -- including the many Ground Zero workers who are now ill or have passed away, when we ask for a true, new independent investigation into the events of 9/11. We do not accept the 9/11 Commission Report and/or "hypothesis" as a satisfactory explanation for the sacrifice every American has made and continues to make -- some more than others.

Thank you for taking the time to inform yourself.

- pilotsfor911truth.org

-- Posted by Third Child on Mon, Jun 1, 2009, at 6:44 PM

Well, there's plenty of time for this sort of thing. Look at the Kennedy assassinations from over 40 years ago. They're still being discussed, debated, pondered and theorized.

Makes for some interesting talk radio shows anyway.

-- Posted by Tori on Mon, Jun 1, 2009, at 6:39 PM

I'm thinkin' it's gonna be a long, hard pull to get 'em all signed on.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Mon, Jun 1, 2009, at 5:55 PM

Pardon me. I said scientists and engineers. It's architects and engineers. Just now taking a closer look at the website.

-- Posted by Tori on Mon, Jun 1, 2009, at 5:48 PM

Kathy,

Third Child isn't determining the number of scientists and engineers. It's a petition on the website they are signing. Right now, at 5:46 pm, the number is up to 673.

-- Posted by Tori on Mon, Jun 1, 2009, at 5:46 PM

U.S. Census data for 2006 shows 132,000 architects and 1.6 million engineers.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Mon, Jun 1, 2009, at 5:45 PM

Looks like you can't decide - yesterday, it was 671.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Mon, Jun 1, 2009, at 4:42 PM

"Now go put your tin foil hats back on, switch on MSNBC and get your next quip that you could never back up!"

672 architects and engineers back up their statements with scientific facts and physics.

Why not debate the facts instead of attacking the messenger?

http://www.ae911truth.org/

-- Posted by Third Child on Mon, Jun 1, 2009, at 3:26 PM

Thank you :)

-- Posted by speedfingers on Mon, Jun 1, 2009, at 2:51 PM

This Landreth you speak of, does he play a Trumpet , or did he ever? I went to school with a guy who Played in some Bands around Town! He was good at Jazz! I often wondered if he stayed with it? Also, this (Nicholas- Beazley, Museum) is it still in operation? My Uncle was involved with that Company back in the 1920, He was a Stuntman,Wingwalker at one of the events that had at the Airport! He held a couple of world Records Parachute Jumping! My family donated some of the Pictures at the Museum! (Jim Donahue) He Wing Walked & other things during the Barnstorming days of Aviation! Jim died at 92, i believe,in Colorado! Uncle, was a very Interesting Man!

-- Posted by Jo on Mon, Jun 1, 2009, at 2:38 PM

Also fun thing: Pancake Breakfast featuring Chris Cakes, 8-1 p.m. Sunday, June 7, Martin Community Center-Nicholas Beazley Aviation Museum.

-- Posted by Eric Crump on Mon, Jun 1, 2009, at 11:40 AM

speedfingers, the Saline County BBQ is occurring this Saturday at the fair grounds. Good food and lots of good folks = good time! I believe they begin serving around 5pm, but it might be sooner.

-- Posted by born-n-raised on Mon, Jun 1, 2009, at 11:37 AM

I have family visiting this week and was wondering if there are any events I could take them to. If anyone has and suggestions of things to do, it would be a lot of help.

-- Posted by speedfingers on Mon, Jun 1, 2009, at 11:23 AM

ceh_meh,

The Landreth you went to school with was probably my grandfather-in-law (and still a really nice guy).

-- Posted by landreth on Mon, Jun 1, 2009, at 8:40 AM

Born and Raised,

I believe the REAL Unibomber is currently serving a life sentence in Federal Prison.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Sun, May 31, 2009, at 8:50 PM

Why can't you face the facts, physics and science of 911? Argue with 671 architects and engineers instead of me, please.

http://www.ae911truth.org/

-- Posted by Third Child on Sun, May 31, 2009, at 5:46 PM

Third Child, do you also know who the REAL Unibomber and Zodiac killer are?

-- Posted by born-n-raised on Sun, May 31, 2009, at 5:33 PM

Farmers Wife, here's a clue for you:

OKR and I were warming our respective benches during the finale to the Fall '57 football game between Marshall and Slater, each of us watching in disbelief as Don Abney ran back the final kickoff for the winning score, even though both shoe laces broke and he nearly ran right out of his cleats in the process.

If you can recall who was sitting on the bench (or more likely, standing and yelling encouragement), you'll have the mystery of his identity solved. :)

-- Posted by Slater on Sun, May 31, 2009, at 4:24 PM

Okie Reader--do you still manage a campground in Colorado in the summer--how's the temp out there?? Your ID might be a mystery, but I am pretty sure I just figured it out!!

-- Posted by farmerwife on Sun, May 31, 2009, at 2:42 PM

Slater: If you've looked at our poll, you can see quite a few people have missed it. I've seen it, but the only reason it I knew it was Justice Marshall is the sign at the base of the statue.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Sun, May 31, 2009, at 12:51 PM

Thank you, KF. The date explains why I've not seen it, well, partly why. The other part is that at times I'm not the most observant person on the planet. :)

-- Posted by Slater on Sun, May 31, 2009, at 11:28 AM

Physics and scientific evidence disprove official story line of September 11 2001

Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth

http://www.ae911truth.org/

Recent news coverage

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oO2yT0uBQ...

What do the people of Marshall think about this?

-- Posted by Third Child on Sun, May 31, 2009, at 10:53 AM

In the footsteps of John Marshall?

Judge Sonia Sotomayor stated that while courts are considered not supposed to "make" law she believes it is their role to decide matters of policy..

Thomas Jefferson, accused John Marshall of making the Constitution "a mere thing of wax in the hands of the judiciary, which they may twist and shape into any form they please."

-- Posted by Third Child on Sun, May 31, 2009, at 9:33 AM

Slater: The Marshall statue was placed in its current location July 10, 1976, to commemorate the Bicentennial.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Sun, May 31, 2009, at 7:18 AM

I have a general question but I'm a little reluctant to ask since most all the other questions I've asked have gone unanswered, but here it is anyway:

How long has the John Marshall statue been in place by the courthouse?

I don't have any recollection of seeing it.

Here's an anecdote that none of you will give one hoot about but I'm going to tell you anyway:

Both of my kids graduated from John Marshall High School here in San Antonio.

-- Posted by Slater on Sat, May 30, 2009, at 11:54 PM

Ok so I hate to change the current topic but I am curious as to Marshall Police Depts new K-9 unit. I have heard they selected the officer who will handle the drug dog, bought a Jeep Cherokee, and is soon to head to training. Are there any more updates on this subject?

-- Posted by para-chic on Sat, May 30, 2009, at 11:16 PM

aikman8, Yes, I coached some baseball in Marshall over the years. Ban Johnson a couple of seasons and assisted several years as a volunteer coach at Mo. Valley when Denny Fox and Dick (last name?) was there.

I had gotten a house on Rea across from the college while my son went to school and graduated at Valley. Coaching has been a passion/hobby since I coached my Unit basketball team in 1956 in the Marines.

I was fortunate to have the time as my career as an international airline pilot gave me lots of time off and the luxury to schedule my work time to a great extent.

Over the years, many great memories such as coaching a little league in Texas that played against the Mexico team with one of the first little leaguers that pitched with either hand. That presented a unique challenge to the rules and the umpires when a switch hitter came to bat.

The problem is, does the pitcher declare first or does the batter have to step into the box first? This was back in 1960-61 as I recall.

The most interesting situation, runner on first, does the pitcher want to pitch "lefty" to hold the runner or "righty" to pitch to the batter's weaker side? WT

-- Posted by White Tornado on Sat, May 30, 2009, at 9:32 AM

My name is Dale Payne

I was born in Gilliam moved to Marshall and

graduated from the High School there in 1954.

I enjoy reading the comments (most of them) .

I especially like the "history" and try to determine if I maybe know anyone. No luck yet.

Also some of the comments do urinate me off, and

I cannot believe the harshness of a lot of the comments. I am a flag waver and a patriot also

a realist.

I remember Humphreys, Believe the good sandwich there was named after Frogs step son and was called a "Charlies Special". After Charlie Reed.

I come to Marshall usually two or three times a

year. I enjoy coming back to Marshall. It is still

a nice town and a pretty one.

Cheers and good to see everyone. Dale Payne (My actual name)

-- Posted by DALE_BETTY_PAYNE@comcast.net on Sat, May 30, 2009, at 8:50 AM

ceh: Thanks for the information. I hauled hay for the Brown's one time around 1959, or 1960. They had a pet racoon tied to a tree like the pet monkeys are in Indonesia etc. It was funny to see it run up and down the tree, a playful little critter. It probably would have preferred running ridges. I also used to eat Frank Brown's fish sandwiches at his place on W. Arrow. The cat fish was great, but more amazing was that he made carp taste good. I could not hack carp anywhere else.

Good to see you on the blog buddy.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, May 30, 2009, at 12:56 AM

ceh, yes that curve was a great obstacle for many people, Dr. Lockwood, a Slater physician, for one. I believe he knocked down that utility pole three times that I can recall.

I could've told you the name of the girl who lived on east of there if you hadn't said you can't recall her name. Now, neither can I, but I remember her as being a very nice person (also very pretty). :) She was two or three years older than you and I, and it seems to me that she dated someone from Slater for a time, maybe Jerry Neidig.

Glad to know you're up and about some again.

-- Posted by Slater on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 10:27 PM

Oklahoma Reader:

The Green Lantern was located on Brown's Curve on hwy 240 about 4 miles east of Marshall. The Brown family have farmed this area for at least five generations, maybe six. Frank Jr (Uncle Jr) and Veronica Brown (Aunt Sis) are still residing in their home on this curve. Browns Curve is infamous for all the wrecks that have occurred there. Aunt Sis is my mother's sister.

The Green Lantern was about 100 feet east of the house and consisted of the Green Lantern and a small gas station. I have not heard of a rough reputation, but don't doubt it. It was closed when I was quite young. My cousins and I used to play in the building, later used for corn storage, and eventually torn down. The gas station was used for a time to fuel the Brown's farm equipment and had a hand operated pump with a glass reservoir on top.

About a mile east of the Green Lantern there was another place called _?_ Lantern, perhaps Red Lantern. It had been converted to a house and a very nice family was living there. I knew their daughter, but the name completely escapes me now.

Probably the original owner of the Green Lantern was Frank Brown Sr. also known as "Catfish Brown" who also had a restaurant in Marshall just off the square on the north side of W. Arrow. His daughter Joan (sister to Uncle Jr) married Junior Murphy and they had a restaurant, liquor, and sporting goods place just off the Square on Court St.

OK Reader knows me, but for the others I went to Northwest 1-6, 7-8 at Marshall High, then moved to Slater where I finished HS, moved back to Marshall, worked 3 years at shoe factory and Stampers, one semester at MVC before I got itchy feet and left for the Navy, 20 years as one of the Navy's first digital computer technicians, 20 years as tech writer for Raytheon, the past 5 years in the Lakeview Mtns tending our xeriscape midst the cactus and coyotes.

I went to school with a Landreth, nice guy.

All the Best

-- Posted by ceh_meh@verizon.net on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 9:56 PM

Okla & White Tornado: I am watching Bill Moyer and mad as hell! If there is any Justies in this Country, and they don't do something about Bush and Cheney for their War Crimes, this whole Country should be up in arm's!! Those two evil S. O. b s' get away with the things they have done, it is simply a shame on this Country that will never be forgiven! This is not just Politic. I Know War is hell, but this is a Crime againést Humanity! **** i hate those two Men!!

-- Posted by Jo on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 9:35 PM

Jo, I know what you mean about small things setting off the storm of memories...I'm not so young myself, you know :)

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 3:28 PM

Kathy: No, i don't recall anything like that! i do remember little things about a Speech,or like when my Grandfather us to take me to the Mary Lou theater to watch the three Stooges! We would stop by the Ruff Hotel.My Pop had a friend that work there, ( nite clerk), or maybe the owner? I don't know for sure. but anyway, (Jim the Wonder Dog) , i know now! Was there, and while Pop would visit his friend i would play with Jim. I was 3 or 4. At that time Jim was just a Dog, and a friend! Now look,he has a special place there! I loved Animals! But we went in there several times, and one nite he just wasn't there.It was sad for me and Pop but, life went on! So it is little things like that that lights up a bulb in my head! O yea,I would tell my Mother i could remember scooting my white cast iron Baby bed across the floor, so i could see her cooking in the Kitchen. She (said noway) i could remember that at the age i was at the time! Its thing like that, that i'm talking about. People will get on a subject on this Blog, that opens up a flood of remembering! I know everyone has said this before, to the Young People, Knowledge is power and respect!That is the one thing (nobody) can take from you! So don't take the Girls out completely! but latch on to all the Knowledge you can. Who am i to say that,some one who didn't! to my regret! Thanks again Kathy!

-- Posted by Jo on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 2:51 PM

"New World Order"

Documentary following the lives of InfoWarriors like Alex Jones, Luke Rudowski, Jack McLamb and many other truth seekers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRTnAYzP6...

Alex Jones is "an inflammatory, wild-eyed, ultra-biased lunatic conspiracy theorist"

Kathy Fairchild

-- Posted by Third Child on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 1:41 PM

Jo: I wonder if you were thinking of this Churchill quote from speech in Canada in 1954:

"We have surmounted all the perils and endured all the agonies of the past. We shall provide against and thus prevail over the dangers and problems of the future, withhold no sacrifice, grudge no toil, seek no sordid gain, fear no foe. All will be well. We have, I believe, within us the life-strength and guiding light by which the tormented world around us may find the harbour of safety, after a storm-beaten voyage."

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Fri, May 29, 2009, at 7:41 AM

Thanks for reminding me, of course it was FDR! But it seems as a kid the old MOVIE TONE NEWS REELS had CURCHILL using the phrase! Maybe not? I should think things through, and get the facts straight, before i Quote it! stupid on my part. Thank again!

-- Posted by Jo on Thu, May 28, 2009, at 9:58 PM

NB, I enjoyed reading the article and getting a peak inside. For a bit I tried visualizing how it looks now, but I decided to stop imagining and just wait and see.

I don't recall the interior walls being covered with wood planks. They muat've been added after I was gone. I like the idea of the tin ceiling.

I have a hunch you'll have the new register mastered by the time school starts in the fall. :)

-- Posted by Slater on Thu, May 28, 2009, at 8:58 PM

Call As As,

If you are stressing out over the influx of workers from Mexico, you may be heartened to learn the tide is receding. Many have returned to Mexico for the jobs aren't hereabouts.

Worried about germs "they" may bring? According to Philip Alcabes new book on "Dread", fear of the stranger goes back at least to the plague of Athens around 400 BC. Thucydides wrote that people said it came from Ethiopia.

Finally which "they" do you expect to wipe the handles of the carts? I thought the wipes were there for me to use on the cart I select to use for shopping. I appreciate the supply and do use them. Especially for the sticky handle after some little one has been drooling, or sneezing on it! .

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Thu, May 28, 2009, at 8:23 PM

Jo: I Googled "Nothing to fear..." FDR appears to get the credit. He used the phrase in his first inauguration speech. He was talking about the economic conditions in 1933.

But, like you, it sticks in my mind that Churchill may have used the phrase in the first days of World War II when the Germans were bombing London. I don't remember FDR's inauguration, but I do remember Churchill and Edward R. Murrow's broadcasts from London. Murrow opened with, "THIS IS London...

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Thu, May 28, 2009, at 8:10 PM

I know he was a little out spoken on the topic's he thought he could get a rise out of someone on but I for one will mis not having a few topic's we butt heads on.

RIP GOCHIEFS you will be missed.

God Speed my friend.

God Bless your Family with peace in this time.

-- Posted by Gal66 on Thu, May 28, 2009, at 12:53 PM

White Tornado solution: my temporary email expires in 24 hours.

dainicteep@garrifulio.mailexpire.com

-- Posted by hunterfisher on Thu, May 28, 2009, at 1:39 AM

Hey Aaron, john q. saying hey back at you. It's been awhile since I wrote anything on my blog. I started to write one over the Memorial Day weekend but I couldn't find me on the blogger list. Time stands still for no man. Hope to get things set back up soon.

-- Posted by John Q. on Thu, May 28, 2009, at 12:54 AM

Everyone should look this over.the RawStory.com

-- Posted by Jo on Thu, May 28, 2009, at 12:34 AM

Wall Street Welfare: Goldman-Sachs gives back a little bit, but keeps billions of dollars of the chump's (our)money. Over a billion to go to year end bonuses for those wonderful executives. What a pat on the back. They should get a kick in the butt.

Read it and weep: http://www.alternet.org/workplace/140166...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, May 28, 2009, at 12:23 AM

Call a spade, you COULD be right about that if aikman8 turns out to be female.

Bluto = call a spade

Popeye = aikman8

one empty spinach can...

Who wins?

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, May 27, 2009, at 11:01 PM

white tornado ... did you used to coach baseball back in the early 80s here in marshall ... ban johnson baseball?

-- Posted by aikman8 on Wed, May 27, 2009, at 11:00 PM

doubt it spade. nice of you to show up though ;L

-- Posted by aikman8 on Wed, May 27, 2009, at 10:38 PM

Slater, you have my permission for the NB. I can manage the cash register AFTER it's programmed, ha! Just the thought makes the old cash box look better and better. It's funny how you can exceed and succeed with computer technology and can't figure out programming for something typically less complicated. Once I figure it out, maybe I'll submit that recipe,ha!

-- Posted by nouveaublogger on Wed, May 27, 2009, at 10:28 PM

spade ... when was the last time you did any work? you sound like a rich housewife sitting at home judging everything.

-- Posted by aikman8 on Wed, May 27, 2009, at 10:20 PM

Nouveau Blogger, with your permission I'll shorten your screen name to NB. That way I don't have to think so hard about the spelling of nouveau. :)

I can well imagine how much cash registers have changed over time. I believe the last one I operated had keys with numbered finger pads.

By the way, I missed your post about the decline of Main Street in Slater and the square in Marshall. I'm sure you're corrrect about the changes in small towns.

The Wal*Mart's of the world have eliminated family-owned and operated businesses, the staple of small-town America not too many years back. I suppose the inability to compete with the big chains has doomed the Mom & Pop operations all across the country. It's a sad thing.

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, May 27, 2009, at 9:55 PM

Notgvn,

Thanks for expounding on the point I'd implied when I mentioned how people didn't obsess over germs 50 years ago like they do today. Clean is one thing, but sterile is asking for trouble in many ways. We're slowly driving ourselves toward a big bubble existence.

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, May 27, 2009, at 9:42 PM

call a spade a spade ... maybe they're just trying to work their arse off to make a dollar, you got a problem with that? lawn crews work looong hours, i challenge you to work them.

-- Posted by aikman8 on Wed, May 27, 2009, at 9:00 PM

Slater: Not a bad idea, however, I don't think I could get anyone to agree to it. No...I roll up my sleeves! Cash register is new, hasn't even been programmed yet, will probably take me until school starts again to figure it out, ha!

AFW: The long bench is still there with an old juke box at the end of it and pool table in front of it! It can get quite rowdy during two twenty minute lunch shifts.

-- Posted by nouveaublogger on Wed, May 27, 2009, at 8:30 PM

Hey John Q! It's Aaron Adams saying hi! :)

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, May 27, 2009, at 6:49 PM

AFW,

You brought up a point about sanitation that probably few people ever thought about back then. Of course, in what's now becoming the distant past, a person's immune system was subjected to plenty of germs that kept it at the ready. :)

What say, NouveauBlogger? Is it now a tandem operation, one taking the money while the other slings the hash? (heh heh) Just kidding!!

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, May 27, 2009, at 5:00 PM

Right On,White Tornado with your health regime, you make sense! Also i'm happy you manuverd the Stock Market.Continued good luck!

-- Posted by Jo on Wed, May 27, 2009, at 3:38 PM

Midmocrat, I don't run scared, never have, and i don't think the American People does Churchhill said something that makes sense,( WE HAVE NOTHING TO FEAR, BUT FEAR IT SELF!) There are certain things we have to do to protect yourself.But not give up our rights as a people! If we do, they have won! I don't care how safe ,you think Bush has made things! I don't think you are one of those People, who's mind can be changed. So i won't debate you on anything,i'm to opinionated,and base my comments on common sense, witch i don't think you have,sorry!

-- Posted by Jo on Wed, May 27, 2009, at 3:30 PM

Dear Editor,

At the top of the "Speak Out" column you state and I quote "We reserve the right to exclude entries we deem DISRESPECTFUL, threatening, obscene or in other ways objectionable". You feel "midmocate" saying to "jo" - "you can't be that stupid" as acceptable? You did not accept a statement I made a few months ago when I had "lack of intelligence" in my comment. I guess I should have used "stupid", then my opinion would have been "RESPECTED'.

-- Posted by i'mback/didyoumissme on Wed, May 27, 2009, at 12:54 PM

MidMo,

I have a question for you:

Do you believe the events occurring in your life up to this point can be attributed primarily to circumstances of fate?

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, May 27, 2009, at 10:43 AM

Oy. midmocat, I have to say using the term "Big Ears" is a bit odd, and rather unspecific as to which "Big Ears" you are referring -- "Big Ears Obama" or "Big Ears Bush"?

-- Posted by Jacob Hatfield on Wed, May 27, 2009, at 10:37 AM

I cannot imagine living in a constant state of anger and fear. What a miserable existence it must be. Life is too short. Let it go...........

-- Posted by born-n-raised on Wed, May 27, 2009, at 10:34 AM

TONIGHT ON PBS:

American Stamps - 10:30 central (on this local station, at any rate)

Program Description:

"American Stamps" is a documentary about the designers and artists who create our postage stamps. Featuring interviews with art directors Howard Paine, Phil Jordan, Derry Noyes, Carl Herrman, Richard Sheaff, and Ethel Kessler, these long-time United States Postal Service associates share the details of their stamp creation process and the personal connections they have to the monumental characters and events they portray in miniature. Terry McCaffrey, Manager of Stamp Design for the USPS, lends context with helpful backstory about the history of stamps in America, the criteria for selecting stamp subjects, and how stamp artwork gets checked for authenticity. Wilson Hulme, Curator of Philately at the Smithsonian National Postal Museum, talks about the fun of stamp collecting and the printing errors that can make a stamp extremely valuable.

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, May 27, 2009, at 10:33 AM

YOU SAY WE HAVE 12 MONTHS? SO IF WE STILL HAD THE SNAKE, & CHANEY & EVERYONE THAT WENT ALONG FOR THE RIDE! WE WOULD BE WHIPED OUT! THOSE TWO CLOWNS ARE THE REASON FOR ALL THIS! OBAMA IS TRYING TO PULL US OUT OF THIS,I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT ANYONE CAN'T SEE THIS,REP.OR DEM.

-- Posted by Jo on Wed, May 27, 2009, at 10:04 AM

hunterfisher, I'm also unsure how to get info back and forth without posting an address on line which might lead to 3rd party harassment, pestering. I don't think there's anything magical about the vitamins, etc. that I take. It's just that I found the ones that I was lacking which are probably different for you and others.

So I do encourage you to do the research and figure out what you need. If it's heart problems, make sure to check into zinc and vitamin D but mostly it's not an individual substance but the entire "package" that most of us need due to the overall quality of our eating habits.

drdavidwilliams.com is an excellant place to start and also supplimentwatch.com where almost all vitamins are tested for content without any editorial on effectiveness, just reports that say something like- "this capsule only has X% of what it says" or, "this complies with requirements and has the listed contents".

I hope this is helpful. WT

-- Posted by White Tornado on Wed, May 27, 2009, at 8:19 AM

Not sure how to accomplish that WT...any suggestions?

-- Posted by hunterfisher on Wed, May 27, 2009, at 5:37 AM

Growing up my Mother and Father always had good advice to give. I bet most of us can say that, and its probably true.

One of the things my Mother and Father taught me was to always remember that in life, the ends never justify the means. I took that too heart and have always tried to keep it in mind.

Recently, we heard Cheney telling us that the ends DO justify the means...at least when it comes to torture. I guess robbing banks is ok too as long as you make a lot of money doing it and get away with it...so Cheney's logic goes.

So I thought it interesting when I came across an interview with one of the interrogators...one of the "boots on the ground" fellows. He has been a military interrogator for 14 years and has conducted over 1000 interrogations of prisoners...including more than 300 in Iraq. He says that the interrogations (torture) cost American lives.

You can read the interview and watch the video here:

"Former military interrogator says torture cost hundreds 'if not thousands' of American lives"

http://rawstory.com/08/news/2009/05/26/m...

ENJOY!

-- Posted by news across on Wed, May 27, 2009, at 1:39 AM

Third child, FYI, I was an airline pilot for 25 years with Pan Am, retired in 1990, about 3 years before they closed since I had make enough money in the stock market to last me the rest of my life. (Yes, I traveled to Australia often, even taking a jaunt to Alice Springs once from Darwin.)

I consider myself to be autodidactic and read constantly about all sorts of things. I do have a soft spot for the Constitution and detest the way so many try to circumvent it.

IMHO, we will see horrible inflation in the next few years and a "civil rebellion" against the diluting of the Constitution. Fortunately, all my property is free and clear including 200+ acres of farmland in that area (MO.) and several homes in CA (north of San Fran.) and WA near where Bill Gates lives.

I suggest you get rid of all debt ASAP. I'm "lucky" to have a lot of gold and silver coins, having once gone to the Chi. Commodity Exchange to take personal delivery of silver bullion.

The current bailout of unions will have unintended consequences in that companies with unions will have a difficult time getting needed financing in the future if the bankruptcy laws are circumvented to pay unions instead of the more senior debt holders. You must avoid the government promoted debt-induced prosperity. WT

-- Posted by White Tornado on Wed, May 27, 2009, at 1:11 AM

hunterfisher, if there's any way to send you my vitamin regime, please let me know especially if you have a particular problem. I did the angioplasty in about 1989, okay for a time but then had a recurrence about ten years later. That's when the doctor, Dr. Myer with Kaiser HMO, insisted I needed triple bypass surgery due to 3 blockages, over 90% on 2 and over 95% on one,

As I mentioned, minerals, vitamins and exercise were my main focus. In subsequent studies, I realize now that such things as zinc was also critical. The last check was at a hospital in San Francisco, 5 or 6 years later, where the doctors were stunned that I was completely clean of blockages. They did not believe it possible. Subsequently, I have been studied by Stanford Medical center among others.

Today I have become a "follower" of Dr. David Williams who follows and reports on all sorts of accredited studies around the world as he has verified a lot of what I had done in the past. Dr Williams has a web site you may wish to investigate drdavidwilliam.com where he compiles all the studies around the world and reports the findings.

I have become very leery and suspicious of main stream medical systems over the years. I worry they are beholding to the status quo and the almighty dollar to the point of accepting money making procedures above the truth. Good luck and keep me involved in how you are doing. WT

-- Posted by White Tornado on Wed, May 27, 2009, at 12:45 AM

Third Child,

As to your comment reflecting the whims and desires of this tornado fellow...well, I didn't base my decision to make a commentary on what tornado wants.

He has his goals in life and I have mine. If tornado writes a conroversial commentary then, like me, he should not be surprised when there are responses to it. That is what we call free speech. In fact, the last time I checked, the only duly authorized gate keeper in this forum is Editor Crump.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, May 26, 2009, at 5:22 PM

Farmer'swife, sorry, I am not Don. Jo, I have three siblings. Most things are more interesting than my identity. There seems to be some interest in the early times of we old timers. Taking that into consideration here is a short excerpt from a little thing I am working on. Please bear in mind it is just one person's opinion, and that there are many others who did not see things as I did.

My sophomore year of high school the Marshall schools were finally desegregated. At

long last the African American kids did not have to ride a bus all the way to Sedalia each day to attend segregated Hubbard High.

Things went fairly well during the assimilation; at least it seemed so to this ignorant white kid. Never the less there was a sense of reserve to the new interracial relationships that were cautiously established. There were unspoken rules of deportment. Of course they were for the most part detrimental to the black kids. Little Dixie turned loose of segregation grudgingly. There remained an after school apartheid. Boy's sports seemed the only area in which the rigidity was some what relaxed. As my high school years continued things relaxed a little. Racist actions against black students still occurred which they handled with enduring patience that out classed the ignobility of the perpetrators. Limited interracial friendships were formed. However white and black youth remained largely ignorant of each others culture.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, May 26, 2009, at 5:11 PM

Third Child,

You ask for my qualification regarding my Statement about Adam Smith. That's fair enough.

I hold a BBA with double majors in Accounting and Economics which I earned at Middle Tennessee State University, class of '91.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, May 26, 2009, at 4:55 PM

News across, Tornado said he didn't need a reply and you should have taken him up on it.

I've got to ask what school taught you this?

"Adam Smith is to economics what Freud is to psychiatry. He was the first to put together some loosely developed ideas regarding economics, but the concepts he speculated on have been expanded on greatly since his time...so much so as to make his approach to economics irrelevant in today's economy. Today the two main capitalist economic theories are Keynsian (generally followed by liberals) and neoclassical (generally followed by conservatives). It was the later of these two that gave us the current economic crisis. I might also add that only Keynsian economic theory has empirical evidence that shows that it actually works."

-- Posted by Third Child on Tue, May 26, 2009, at 12:23 PM

Just catching up and love the conversations about Slater's "Little Store". I was there in the early 70's - still had the big plate glass window in front with a long bench seat on the inside. I remember sitting there every day for lunch. The Woods owned it then. They made the best burgers - threw your sandwich together, took your money and made change without rubber gloves or even washing their hands and we all survived! Wouldn't think of allowing that now.

-- Posted by Air Force Wife on Tue, May 26, 2009, at 11:27 AM

Okla: im sorry but i was thinking of Bill Wilson, that had the Cafe on Arrow St., not Bob Fenwick! Did you have a sister?

-- Posted by Jo on Tue, May 26, 2009, at 11:04 AM

Don--is that you--the Oklahoma Reader--the graduated in '58 got my attention!!

-- Posted by farmerwife on Tue, May 26, 2009, at 9:46 AM

Jo, Slater,Oklahoma Reader and others.

Thanks for the posts about your younger days in Saline county I enjoy them alot it just brings the area to life.

Thanks and keep it up.

-- Posted by Gal66 on Tue, May 26, 2009, at 8:43 AM

Where are the photos from the MHS Pop Assembly?

You certainly took enough of them Mr. Crump.

Can we see them?

-- Posted by momaster on Tue, May 26, 2009, at 7:56 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Sure. I'll post them as soon as I can.

Okla, I remember Bill lusk,and all of those guy. Estil Forqueran & his Brother Tom.Estill's son Richard was one of my best friends. Richard and i went in the Navy in 51 around the same time. We were lucky enough to meet up in the far East,and had some great times. We remained friends until he Past, at least 15 years ago. We were friends from the time we met at North West School, first Grade! Bob Fenwick had a Daughter that stayed with us for awhile back in the late late 40. That was when i lived with my Mother above the Bowling Alley on the south side of the Square. Seems to me Bob had a Cafe on Arrow St. at one time. When i got back in 56 all those guys were still around. Bill Lusk wasn't around as much as the others. Dad called those Guns he had there behind the Bar , Tractor Guns, something the Farmers could hang on their Tractor! Good guns. I think Bill delivered gas to dad, also!Yea dad and i played in the cornfields, up around the Cutoff for the Ducks to come into feed. I hated that because i didn't like to kill.I was very young then not yet a teen. That's how we ate a lot of the time. Before Dad bought the Tavern. **** i didn't mean to get into the nitty gritty of things and bore ya and the other Readers, but what the Hell,Right?

-- Posted by Jo on Tue, May 26, 2009, at 1:16 AM

Slater:

We bought the store in Nov 2006, so didn't put the third floor on, previous owners did. The only thing we have done so far is update the kitchen a bit. Move some things around. Put in a bathroom. I've been told there was a large plate glass window in the front, which has been switched out for two smaller sliding windows. It appears there use to be an awning, which maybe someday we can do that again. The glass block window is still there. Mostly everything is old inside, but charming. There is barnwood on two walls. I woudn't mind finishing that out. We've talked about tin on the ceiling also, to make it look like a barn from the inside. All future projects. We'll see if the economy will let that happen!

I just made a comment a few days ago about worn out and empty buildings on Main Street/downtown area and how Slater was a vibrant and lively little town when I was a girl and visited from time to time. The same can be said for Marshall, downtown and I suppose all of small town America really.

As for driving across that bridge, holding my breath, the silliest thing I ever did was once closed my eyes when I met a big farm truck on it! Someone was watching over me that time!

-- Posted by nouveaublogger on Tue, May 26, 2009, at 12:00 AM

Jo I didn't know you. I graduated high school in 1958, seventeen at the time.

However I knew your Dad because he, and my Dad were duck/goose hunting buddies, and quail hunting buddies. Drinking buddies too of course. When I was just a little fella before we moved to the farm for a few years in 1946 they used to hunt together on the old cut off. Fellow hunters at the time were Bill Lusk, Estil Forqueran, Tom Forqueran (some) and Bob Fenwick. There may be others that I have forgotten. I give you those names because if you knew who your Dad was hunting with at the time you may by the process of elimination figure out who my Dad was. As I have said on the blog before I don't want to give my name on the blog because I have a pack of less radical kin still their, and this old fool doesn't want to embarrass them. They are all much more conservative than me.

We moved back to Marshall in the spring of 1953. Dyal and my Dad renewed their friendship. They were both older, and didn't hunt anything anymore as much as they used to.

I bought my first gun from your Dad having saved up a few bucks detassling corn. I pedaled my bike out to his place, and bought an old bolt action twenty gauge for I believe fourteen dollars. It was the cheapest gun he had in the used gun rack behind the bar. He probably gave me a break on the price. Small world.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, May 25, 2009, at 11:45 PM

NouveauBlogger,

Thank you very much for the invitation. I'm sure a few others will be interested to see the new-look Little Store. :)

So, you've added a level. That had to change the appearance pretty significantly. Not that it matters, really, but I can't recall if the old roof was peaked or flat. How about the front of the store? Have you changed it much?

I was in Slater during July, 2006 for a family reunion, and I intended to go by the school but didn't. If I had I surely would've noticed the change to your place, if it had been done at that time. The big change, the shocker for me, is along Main Street. Three fires and age certainly have taken their toll.

I was thinking of your remark about meeting the truck on the old viaduct and how that must have quickened your pulse. I remember those same feelings from my early days of driving and meeting vehicles on those bridges. It was only after I began driving that I noticed all the scrapes and gouges in the walls.

I'll be scanning the online edition on Wednesday for a preview. :)

-- Posted by Slater on Mon, May 25, 2009, at 10:39 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Just to clarify: Our Cook of the Week feature appears in the e-edition of the paper, which is a subscription-based online reproduction of our print edition. Cook of the Week does not appear on our free website.

To subscribe to the e-edition, click on the front page thumbnail image on our website or click on Online Reader in the navigation bar or go to:

http://marshalldemocratnews.mo.newsmemor...

Slater:

It would be my pleasure to show you the old place and any other of your classmates that haven't been home in a long while...hopefully, you won't be disappointed. Things do change (and they call that progress, ha!) It is now a 3 story building for instance. If you are a susbscriber to the e-edition of this paper, check out Wednesday's cook of the week, for a sneak peak. Hope to see you in the Fall.

-- Posted by nouveaublogger on Mon, May 25, 2009, at 8:25 PM

What the f----- I agree with you on Health Care! In my opinion the(One Payer Plan) is the way to go. It takes the control out of the Hands of the Insurance Companies. Non profit! Call what it what you like. Go to Bill Moyers, KCPT.COM Last Fridays show. Interesting

-- Posted by Jo on Mon, May 25, 2009, at 8:22 PM

Yea, Okla! I can remember all the Teachers in North West School! 1 through 6 Mrs. Moore, Mrs. Stewart, Mrs. Ryan, Mrs. MCallister, Mrs Yelton, and the Principal, Mrs. Cole. Mrs. Cole had this Paddle & did not hesitate to use, this Paddle, About 2'long with Hole's in it! She wore my Butt out with that Paddle, in the (Cloak Room) when i needed it. And i needed it, about twice a week! Mrs. Stewart had fingernails like Railroad Spikes,and would drive them in your head, if you were out of line. My head had Puncture marks every day. (Now) they would call this Child Abuse. Thinking back i needed it! The other Teachers were great! I loved that School and the Teachers!

-- Posted by Jo on Mon, May 25, 2009, at 7:28 PM

Slater,

Some of the nicest, most intelligent folks I know live in Slater.

Slater gets a bad rap but it certainly does not deserve it. Its a nice town with nice folks living in its community.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, May 25, 2009, at 6:27 PM

White Tornado,

The book you refer to is currently a big hit among neoconservatives like Glenn "Wild Eyed" Beck because it quotes some of our Founding Fathers out of context and draws inferrence based on pre-determined, right-wing based ideals and then calls them facts. They are not facts...they are inferrences...there is a difference.

In addition, Adam Smith is to economics what Freud is to psychiatry. He was the first to put together some loosely developed ideas regarding economics, but the concepts he speculated on have been expanded on greatly since his time...so much so as to make his approach to economics irrelevant in today's economy. Today the two main capitalist economic theories are Keynsian (generally followed by liberals) and neoclassical (generally followed by conservatives). It was the later of these two that gave us the current economic crisis. I might also add that only Keynsian economic theory has empirical evidence that shows that it actually works.

As to you decision that I have no credibility with you...that is neither here nor there with me. I am a proud liberal, a member of the mainstream, and a supporter of our President, a supporter of the Democrats, and I make no appologies for it. You clearly are a member of the minority conservatives (aka neoconservatives) and that is fine.

I am not trying to help you see the light, nor am I trying to make a Democrat out of you. We each get one vote in each election. You get one vote, I get one vote, each voter gets one vote...may the best candidates win! In the last two elections most of those winners where Democrats and for good reasons. In fact, the conservatives have been so badly beaten that even if somehow the majority of voters lost their minds, completely forgot the horrors of the conservative government control of the last 8 years, and began voting overwhelmingly for Republicans, it would be years before the conservatives could find themselves back in control.

You are certainly welcome to your erroneous beliefs. You are welcome to cling to neocon ideals such as lying to Congress by the President in order to gain support for an immoral war of aggression against a 3rd World country that is no direct threat to us is somehow acceptable. You are welcome to retain your incorrect neoconservative belief that some how torture is an American value, or any other neoconservative "ideal" that you wish. That is your perogative, but please don't ask the rest of us to get sucked into that nonsense.

-- Posted by news across on Mon, May 25, 2009, at 6:25 PM

Jo, now don't start accusing me of being a classy educated guy! Any of my friends will tell you it aint so. (heh heh heh)

Remember, I was born and raised in Slater, and one of the posters to this blog who calls himself Secret Agent Michael (whatever the last name is) says that everyone from Slater is dumb and has no class.

-- Posted by Slater on Mon, May 25, 2009, at 6:12 PM

Okla. Dyal was my Dad! I was raised there. We lived in the cabins in the back, for a while,until i left in 1951 ( Navy)! Yes, we had good food, the place kind of went down hill after 1955. I returned in 1956 and helped him out again,until about 1959. Through the early Years There was a lot of Aunts & Uncles there. Hell, we had Bootleggers, Drunks, Gamblers in the family, (but it was all good) I think for the most part,we had a lot Friends, at least i hope so? You Probably remember Junie Donahue hanging off the Courthouse Painting,he did that for years! He took care of the Clock too. So there you have it! We may have thrown Popcorn at each other in the old Mary lue Theater, i know all the kids did that! I think im a little older than you,but i failed a couple years in School, so we might have been Class Mates some were along the line. I won't say running mates, because you,White Tornado,Slater, Nanodot,Bill from Raytown,and some of the others,seems to have a little more Class & more Educated than I!But possibly friends? I was one of those hard head nonconformist. Not a good Student,to my regret!

-- Posted by Jo on Mon, May 25, 2009, at 2:20 PM

News,

I'm not able to track down that program since I don't know its title, but I did come across this series which begins here in September. Here's a link with information about the upcoming program:

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/australia/abouts...

-- Posted by Slater on Mon, May 25, 2009, at 12:42 PM

Speaking of KMMO, I recall meeting a person whose name I believe was Skip Frazee (sp) who worked at the station as a deejay. A cordial fellow, as I remember. Do I have the name right?

-- Posted by Slater on Mon, May 25, 2009, at 12:31 PM

NouveauBlogger,

I'm a little weird (but maybe not so different from many others) about matters of preservation, so I'm pleased to know the Little Store is still in operation. :)

Mr. and Mrs. Wood were very nice people, always friendly and always tolerant of us kids making a mess of their place. I didn't know Mrs. Wood was still living, but I've often thought about them and wondered.

My class is having its 50th-year reunion during the Homecoming weekend this fall, and I'll appeal to the others for photos and history anecdotes. While I'm up there I'd like to come by and say hello (but not during the lunch period). :)

I was just thinking back to when I was last in the store, and it has to be 50 years since that time.

Thanks very much for sharing your news!

-- Posted by Slater on Mon, May 25, 2009, at 11:59 AM

news across, you wrote: "As to the neocon book you refer to, yes I am familiar with its weak arguments but I am not interested in neocon arguments that have no basis in law". The neocons are welcome to their opinions.

Obviously you have not read the book or do you really consider Adam Smith, Thomas Jefferson, John Adams and all the other founding fathers to be neocons? And do you really think the State has the right and duty to dictate the medication of our kids?

Don't even bother to reply as you have already lost all credibility with me.

--

Funny how the driver going slower than me is an idiot and the one going faster is a maniac.

-- Posted by White Tornado on Mon, May 25, 2009, at 10:39 AM

Jo I recall the radio guy you mentioned. He really did get "tore down". I used to see him at O. C. Bruner's, and also at Dyal Donahue's place. Where did you serve beer? I hit most of the places in Marshall starting (illegaly) in 1958, until 1965. If you were around then I probably bought a beer from you. Mr. Bruner served the best cheeseburger I ever tasted. Too bad the Bruner burger is gone. Also they used to have pretty good late night steaks at Dyal's.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, May 25, 2009, at 12:10 AM

Jo, I sure would like to find that sandstone rock where you signed your names but I imagine it was done away with when the sewer system was added and improved upon.

To find direct stories on the old Sportsmans Speedway, it's best to follow the link given by the young man who has the nice website. Many of those 100 articles which result from the 'speedway' search here on the Dem News website are about NASCAR. The link he gave is: www.sportsmansspeedwaymarshall.com and if you'll click on the word 'links' at the top of the page, it will connect you directly to the articles.

The two men who started the track weren't brothers, just very good friends. They were Junior Copas and Bill Mikle. Mr. Copas died in the mid 90s. Mr. Mikle is still living in Marshall, as is the race track announcer, John Hughes.

-- Posted by Tori on Mon, May 25, 2009, at 12:01 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
A series of stories about Saline County racing history can be found at http://www.marshallnews.com/story/128684...

Correction:

My previous comment was in response to a comment by White Tornado...not jo.

Sorry for the confusion jo.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, May 24, 2009, at 11:18 PM

Jo,

I am an American Citizen...born in Kansas City, Missouri, raised in Marshall, Missouri as well as Chicago, Illinois, and I spent most of my life in the United States of America. I am also an Australian Citizen (dual citizenship). I primarily reside in Australia and I also maintain a residence in Independence, Missouri.

As to the law on parens patriae, your statement that it is not the law in the USA is incorrect. It is well rooted in English Common law upon which both American and Australian law are based. In addition, the Supreme Court has made quite a number of decisions upholding the legal doctrine of parens patriae establishing clear precident. You will find several of these cases posted in my earlier comment to which you refer.

As to the neocon book you refer to, yes I am familiar with its weak arguments but I am not interested in neocon arguments that have no basis in law. The neocons are welcome to their opinions but when it comes to the law and the Constitution, only precident as encapsulated in the majority opinion of the Supreme Court matter.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, May 24, 2009, at 11:15 PM

Landreth I believe it would be somewhere in the vicinity that you asked about.

Jo My Dad used to speak of the Green Lantern. I could tell from his mode of expression that he also thought it was a tough place. I have a gap in my memories of Marshall because we moved to the farm right after I entered first grade at age five and didn't move back until I was twelve the latter part of my seventh grade year. Although I was only at Northwest Grade School a couple of months I remember my first grade teacher, Mrs. Moore, as I recall. She seemed tall and thin to me, wore glasses, and was graying. I thought she was a nice lady. Was she a teacher of yours? I went from there to a one room school house with no electricity. it was a big change.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, May 24, 2009, at 11:11 PM

Slater:

I was born & raised in Marshall. Never heard of the place before marrying my husband. He grew up here. Now we own the place, so...yep it's still here. Although it has changed a bit. It's not a grocery anymore, just a place for the kids to come eat and hang out. We did put a wood stove back in the store and a rocking chair next to it. Mrs. Wood is still going strong, will be 91 this year and I must say a most delightful lady! However, Claudette is no longer with us. Thanks so much for the history lesson. I think the history of this Little Store is grossly ignored! Sure wish I could get some old pictures of the place to hang inside, but have yet to find anyone who has any.

-- Posted by nouveaublogger on Sun, May 24, 2009, at 11:04 PM

Kathy thank you! I knew some of those guys. Served a lot Beer to them. You know, looking at the faces ment nothing, but the Names really rang some bells! The Announcer from KMMO he was quite a Drinker. Patronized Brunner's,& Dylan's Place, out by the KMMO Station.My sister dated Bill Meikle.Went to School with him. Thank you again i need some Instructions on how to find these things myself. But this old Brain don't absorb like it should,but come to think of it, it didn't absorb that well when i was young. ha Thanks!

-- Posted by Jo on Sun, May 24, 2009, at 10:51 PM

newsacross, you said, "It should be remembered that the State has the ultimate responsibility for the welfare of all children"

I'm not sure what country you live in but that is not correct in the US. I suggest you read "The 5,000 Year Leap" and the Constitution.

Am I to assume you've outlawed Christian Scientists and other such groups?

-- Posted by White Tornado on Sun, May 24, 2009, at 10:02 PM

Many times, Nouveau Blogger. Recently I even had a dream about the place. :)

If you were ever in there, you may recall seeing that photo on the back wall of the movie actress, Claudette Colbert (sp). If my memory serves me, Peck once told me that he had met her someplace, maybe when he was doing something during WWII.

I've wondered if the place still exists.

-- Posted by Slater on Sun, May 24, 2009, at 10:02 PM

hunterfisher: Is it kosher to leave email address on this site? If so,-----(I decided not to send the email so how else do I get your address or email to send to you?) The answer is lots of aerobic exercise, diet and supplements just as you surmised. I can send you a listing of all the supplements I take. The diet is mainly sans junk food with plenty of protein and "grazing" rather than larger meals.

The most important supplements were probably niacin, niacinamide, folic acid and a total of about 40 in all with most of them being additions to the multiple. It's impossible to find a multi that actually has enough of all of them. And it's the amount that is important, I'm sure.

I still have, here in my desk drawer, the last unopened bottle of nytroglyerin that is now about 10 years old.

About 5 or 6 years after Dr. Myer promised me a heart attack, I was coaching the high school girls tennis team when I had this really weird pain across my shoulders and thought, "ooh no! here's that heart attack I was promised."

In the interest of brevity, I had an angiagram done and the Doctors were amazed as my heart was completely clear of all blockages. They decided my pain was probably some nerve in the neck from serving in tennis. WT

BTW, I'm now almost 72 and still going strong, a bit heavier than I'd like but at least an hour per day of aerobic biking, weight lifting or other. I keep up with all the latest studies on vitamins. One of the latest is on vitamin D. Check it out at supplementwatch.com or other sites.

As far as medicines, I never take any and only used the nitro a very few times. I shun even aspirin and the like. Nothing against them if other want them, just not for me.

-- Posted by White Tornado on Sun, May 24, 2009, at 9:56 PM

Buffetandtrump,

Take a breath and calm down. Let's talk about healthcare. First of all we are already paying for it but the inequity lies in the level of care people recieve.

You keep screaming about socialism. The fact is the mere presence of a govt. at all is socialistic. Income tax, medicaid,medicare and social security are all socialistic. By definiton everything the govt. does is socialistic.

You have fallen prey to corporate propaganda. Take a minute to think about what this all means to the Insurance companies, HMO's and the pharmacutical behemoths. It means that they would no longer be able to hold us hostage for what should be the right of every man woman and child in this country. They will fight it tooth and nail. Anyone here in the grand ol' US of A should not have to choose between healthcare and bankruptcy. Unfortunatley that is the way it is....for now.

If the govt' can figure out a way for us all to recieve healthcare without losing everything then I'm all for it.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Sun, May 24, 2009, at 8:08 PM

news across,

Type Eastwood bridge in the search box to read to two articles related to progress on rebuilding the bridge. I remember driving across it when I was just 17 and meeting a semi halfway. I don't believe I took a breath for 3-4 minutes!

Slater, did you have lunch at the Little Store as a high school student?

-- Posted by nouveaublogger on Sun, May 24, 2009, at 8:02 PM

Thank you all for your kind responses. You extended my journey down memory lane by a few miles, and I appreciate your efforts.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, May 24, 2009, at 7:28 PM

Check out this link in regards to the old speedway.

www.sportsmansspeedwaymarshall.com

-- Posted by Sportsmans Speedway Marshall on Sun, May 24, 2009, at 7:06 PM

Jo: If you would go to the search box and type in the word speedway, you'll see more than 100 stories on the Marshall Speedway and its history. Happy reading!

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Sun, May 24, 2009, at 6:47 PM

I had a an Uncle that was Killed on that Bridge along with others over the Years. I can remember driving across that thing meeting another car, in my 1934 Ford with no fenders, and a front seat full of Friends! I would Point it and hang as close to the right as i could. Always made it!

If my thinking is right, i think Montague Hill got its name from the People who owned the land. I think Montaque had a small General Store there. After the Drive In & Race Track was built,the late 40 or early 50! Also on out, a mile or so, was a Tavern called The Green Lantern. It was a Tough place that only a few dare to go,ha! I wish i could remember the name of the guys who built the Track,if im not mistaken they were Brothers.My dad knew them well. He had a Car he ran there a few times. His driver was Chet Dooly,a very good driver,but dads Car was a dog! Won 2 Races,and that was the end of that,ha. If someone can correct me please do.Im a little fuzzy at 75 ha. Good ,good Times!

-- Posted by Jo on Sun, May 24, 2009, at 5:52 PM

newsacross ...

wake up! what are you smoking? when will you realize what is going on? after obama has socialized everything?

-- Posted by buffetandtrump on Sun, May 24, 2009, at 5:42 PM

nouveaublogger,

Yes I knew they had closed the twin bridges to traffic before I had moved to Australia. One of the neighbor kids had come to me to tell me that they had closed off even pedestrian traffic across the bridges and that the kids couldn't ride their bikes across it to get into town.

I then started calling around to see who "owned" the bridge. It was obviously outside the city limits, the County refused to claim it saying it had been abandoned, and the State told me it wasn't theirs. It was a real nightmare.

I contacted our State Senator and our State Representitive to see what assistance they could be. Both were very concerned about the danger the twin bridges posed as well as the problem the kids living up on Montegue Hill had riding their bikes or walking into town. They both worked very hard on this matter, and though it took some time, the State finally agreed to do something to rebuild the bridges. Of course, my only concern was doing something to make sure the kids could safely ride their bikes across it as riding on 240 was just way too dangerous for the kids and thus not an acceptable option. It took them a few months, but just before I left to move to Australia the State managed to find the funds to rebuild the bridges and a plan was put into place. I am surprised to learn though that they have not yet rebuilt them. I sure hope they do something soon.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, May 24, 2009, at 5:19 PM

Jo, how long has it been since you were last at that rock? Do you suppose you'd try to find it again the next time you're in Marshall?

Yours and OKR's recollections reminded me of a wooded area west of Slater on some land that John Iman farmed where a few of us would go to climb the trees and swing on the vines (big ones) and just hang out. There was a creek running through it, and one side had a high bank that we dug into and made a small cave. We also chopped down a few of his trees and built a kind of cabin - very crude but also much fun.

We spent many hours out there, year round, but not too often in the winters. I thought about that place shortly after I came home from the Army in the fall of 1963, and I hiked out there one afternoon to see if anything remained from our earlier days. Just being back there had me recalling some fond memories.

-- Posted by Slater on Sun, May 24, 2009, at 4:50 PM

I remember a place we would go to. Don't remember what it was called? It was a big flat Sandstone Rock, were everyone carved their name. Hidden away, East of Marshall. Sandholler was near by. We would find it by following a small creek that ran under Odell St., from the old Ice Plant & Verginia Hotel( East). Actually thats the only way we could find it,always that route. We signed our Names along with a Hundred Others! Im sure at that time,everyone in Town had Signed that Rock! We lived on Russell St., near the old C&A Depot. Bill Sparks had an Ice Cream store across the street. Went to the old North West School, Late 1930,early 1940.

-- Posted by Jo on Sun, May 24, 2009, at 3:53 PM

newsacross...

Unfortunately, you cannot reach Montague Hill by Eastwood Street as the bridge has been out for some years now. You have to go out 240 and turn back south to get to it. I have seen articles posted by the Democrat News recently about getting funding to rebuild that bridge.

-- Posted by nouveaublogger on Sun, May 24, 2009, at 1:50 PM

Oklahoma Reader:

20 to 30 years ago when I was still a kid the indian bath tub was still there and kids still were facinated with it. Today you still see kids playing in the woods so I'm sure they are just as entertained by it today as they were all those years ago.

now I'm too young to remember the monkey island and I know you can't answer cause you were gone before it was built, but trying to picture it in my mind, would that have been about where the old walmart is now or mcdonalds?

-- Posted by landreth on Sun, May 24, 2009, at 11:31 AM

oklahoma,

Thank you so much for you kind words.

Montegue Hill is easy to find. You head out Eastwood going towards Arrow Rock, go past Lincoln Street, over past Indian Foothills Park, over the twin bridges. Now right after you cross the old twin briges there is a hill...that is Montegue Hill. You might remember where the drive in movie was or the old Hopkins Trailer Court...that is Montegue Hill. It used to be the main highway going out to Arrow Rock. The hill doesn't look like much but anyone who has ever ridden a bike up it can tell you its pretty steep.

oklahoma, Marshall is truly a special place for many of us. If I hadn't married my Aussie wife, I would still be there. I guess I think about Marshall and the good folks there almost everyday and the longer I am away, the more I miss Marshall. Every good memory from my childhood was that of being in Marshall and up there on Montegue Hill, and if I had it all to do over again, I wouldn't change a thing. I look forward to visiting Marshall next year when my wife and I will be travelling to the USA. Our first stop will be Independence to see my Mom and Dad then its straight on out to Marshall.

I guess in the end you can take the man out of Marshall, but you can't take the Marshall out of the man!

-- Posted by news across on Sun, May 24, 2009, at 5:30 AM

Slater,

That sounds like it was a pretty interesting program. Aussie history is interesting to be sure. My wife's Mother's family came here as prisoners and they have some rather interesting family stories to tell as well.

I hope I can catch that program down here sometime as I would love to see it and I am sure my wife would be interested in seeing it. Do you know the title of it?

-- Posted by news across on Sun, May 24, 2009, at 5:04 AM

News Across provided us with first hand information about the medical system in Australia. As is the case with medical care in the rest of industrialized western civilization it is vastly superior to our system.

Ours is a disaster. Half the bankruptcies in our country are caused by medical misfortune. There are many of us, perhaps even a majority, who loose sleep, and constantly worry because our medical coverage is inadequate, costs too much, or because of preconditions and various other prohibitions is not even available. And that is to say nothing of corporate bureaucrats who decide whether or not we can even have care for certain conditions, or what type care we can have. That is the province of our own Doctors, not some corporate hack.

It is ludicrous that a problem so easily remedied continues unabated. Especially so because we already have a system in place that if extended to the remainder of the populace, would fix the problem overnight.

That system is medicare. There is no logical reason that it can not be expanded. Naysayers argue that medicare is already in trouble, how would we ever pay for it? That too is easy enough. Cut the bloated military industrial complex. We could get by on sixty percent of what we now spend on so called "defense". No other civilized nation spends anywhere near what we do on the military. Why must we? An immediate side benefit of such cuts would be that fool hardy administrations could not so easily mire us in misbegotten wars. We and the rest of the world could rest easier.

The other red flag raised is "oh that is socialized medicine", as if that is a product of the devil. Ridiculous. It is a red herring thrown up by the corporatocracy that really runs our country through their propaganda outlets, their wholly owned subsidiaries, the main stream media. They gotta take care of their own, the pharmaceuticals, the health insurance industry, the mega corporate hospital chains, and so on. They do not give a **** about us, the people.

This same corporatocracy did not hesitate for one second to remedy the huge problem when their financial system collapsed. They immediately begged, no insisted upon, a socialist bail out to solve their problems. I guess it all depends on whose ox is gored.

Our medical system has also collapsed. A socialist response, proven time, and time again across the world is the obvious solution. It is time we end our unwarranted fear of socialism, and realize that if properly limited and monitored, is the only answer to our national nightmare.

I think most of us are mad as hell, and hopefully, aren't going to take it anymore. Well we can change it. Firstly, and most importantly find out the sources of contributions of your congressional representatives. If you find that a large portion of their campaign donations come from the health corporotocracy never vote for them again. They do not represent you. You say well he is a "good old boy", or he is my brother in law, well o.k., give him a chance to change. Tell him/her to never take donations from such sources again, and if he has a large campaign chest stuffed with those corporate bribes, tell him to give them back. If she/he refuses he does not represent you, and doesn't deserve your vote. On the proactive side pin down candidates as to where they stand on medical care, and if the candidate is with us on the issue, somehow find a way to give him/her at least a small contribution. If you can't at least volunteer your services. To get a good program we all have to get with the program.

Finally, this issue has to become the hot button issue with all of us. If you are conservative and believe that there should be no abortions under any circumstances by all means do not drop that candidate criteria. Give over due health care reform equal billing. After all your compassion for the unborn, and their mothers does not end with birth. If you are liberal and would never vote for a candidate that does not support gun control by all means stick to your no guns. Give overdue health care reform equal billing. After all you do want first class medical care for those kids who are shot by accident. My point of course is that no matter your political persuasion excellent health care is important, and connected to whatever position you hold on any other issue.

We deserve as good health care as Europe has. We can have it if we demand it, so lets demand it . Let no candidate or elected member of congress continue to dodge the issue. Make them represent us, or boot them out of office.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, May 24, 2009, at 4:31 AM

News Across it is great to see your comments again. They are informative to which we had become accustomed.

I have been gone from Saline County for nearly fifty years hence some memories have grown fuzzy.

Montague Hill has a familiar ring to it but I can not place it geographically, nor how it got its name. Is it southeast of Marshall?

Sometimes it is not the memories that are obliterated, rather their subject. As a kid walking or biking around Marshall we used to spend time at "Monkey Island". I recall that myself, and some of my ragamuffin friends even camped out there one night. It was behind the old Balthus Dairy on the southwest side of town. It was not an island, nor even peninsular. It was simply a low rise with dry gullies eroded out on two sides of it. There was a pond next to it where we occasionally fished. That, along with Vers Addition which was in the area have been obliterated by development. The same concerning the Balthus Dairy.

On the east side of town was an overgrown area that hugged the west side of Indian Foot Hills Park. It had dry creek branches, and erosion had exposed slabs of sandstone that were scattered about the area. One of the dry gulches had an area of exposed sandstone that was dished out which we called the "Indian Bath Tub". We used to play, and adventure there as kids. I wonder if it is still there? I also wonder if the name "Indian Bath Tub" was just a name assigned by a particular clique of kids, or a specific generation of kids (the early fifties), or did the name transcend that narrow segment of time?

News, my questions beyond the Montague Hill matter are not specifically addressed to you though I would appreciate any comment that you may have stored in your memory bank concerning the remainder of my musings, or reminiscence. I also would enjoy others comments on the subject.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, May 24, 2009, at 2:16 AM

News,

That program I mentioned was focused on two or three Australian citizens who were tracing their ancestry, and it was very interesting.

One young woman's ancestor was a 9-year-old girl who had been imprisoned in England for stealing clothing from another girl. She eventually was shipped to Australia.

Another of the searchers, a woman Anglican priest, learned that her ancestor was a prostitute, which she discovered upon a trip to England for a look through the records.

In the beginning of the transfers, the majority were males, and what few females were sent ended up being the targets of abuse, prompting the governor of one settlement to dispatch a letter to England, requesting women to help "civilize" the colonies.

-- Posted by Slater on Sat, May 23, 2009, at 11:33 PM

I guess this must be the story Jo was meaning, KF. Thanks for providing this link.

Is this the one, Jo? I must've been doing a mini Rip Van Winkle this time last year, because I don't remember a thing about this girl's death.

It's hard to know what to make of it. Knowing how the police authorities can botch investigations, it's difficult to know if in fact she did hang herself, or if she had "help."

Every story like this is a sad one, most often for the surviving family members.

-- Posted by Slater on Sat, May 23, 2009, at 11:23 PM

Kathy thank you very much! This will be very interesting. Thanks again!

-- Posted by Jo on Sat, May 23, 2009, at 9:21 PM

Slater and Jo: I believe this might be what you're looking for:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deborah_Jea...

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Sat, May 23, 2009, at 8:40 PM

buffetandtrump,

You ask, "...can you [the American People] afford him [President Obama]?

I think perhaps the real question that we voters faced in November of 2008 was, can we afford to continue the same, failed, neoclassical economic policies of the conservatives that lead to a vicious doward spiralling economy headed for complete collaps? The voters gave us the answer: They elected then Senator Obama to the White House, fired a bunch of conservative Republicans from the Senate and the House and replaced them with Democrats, and did so by an electoral landslide.

We the People, as represented by the majority, were well aware that stopping the downward spiralling economy, given to us by the conservatives, would not be an "easy fix." We the People, as represented by the overwhelming majority, knew that we would all have to make sacrifices, increase the defict, and that economic recovery would take time if we were to avoid the 3rd World economy the conservatives seemed bound and determined to stick us with. We are pleased to give out President's policies plenty of time to work...after all its the future of our Nation that is at stake. Perhaps the clearest evidence of our solidarity with our President is the current approval rating of President Obama...62% (http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx).

So in the end one thing became clear last November, we could no longer afford conservative policies, and the notion that somehow we would hand the reigns of our Government back to the conservatives who gave us 2 wars, torture, secret government, shreaded our civil liberties (denile of habeas corpus, the patriot act, ect), political corruption, hypocrisy, lost or misplaced at least 9 billion tax payers dollars in Iraq that they still have yet to account for, and the worst economy since the great depression just because our President couldn't solve the economic problem in 100+ days is absurd.

If your comment is the best the neocons have to offer America then the neocons may want to find something else to waste their time with because We the People, as represented by the majority, will never again allow neocons to control our lives and our government again.

-- Posted by news across on Sat, May 23, 2009, at 7:42 PM

Third Child,

You also state in regards to the AMA, " They will 'manage' your disease as long as there is money to do so.

When your money runs out, you're done."

That is not exactly correct but it is an excellent argument supporting socialized medicine.

"When your money runs out, you're done." may be true in the United States but such is not the case where I live. In Australia you don't need to be able to pay for the medical costs directly. We have socialized medicine. Here you simply get treated...there is no bill, no co-pay, and no insurance company to find reasons to deny you treatment. While it is true that in the United States bankruptcies due to medical bills amount to over half the bankruptcies filed each year, not one person in Australia has filed bankruptcy due to medical bills since we instituted socialized medicine. Yes we pay these expences with our taxes and yet my taxes are no higher here than they were in the USA, and I have always been able to see my general practitioner (who I picked from the phone book) the same day I call. In fact, the longest it ever took me to see a doctor here was 2 days...and that was to see a cardiologist!

The issue of money being a barrier to medical treatment is a political issue...not one of correct medical proceedure. You statement is a good reason every American should be calling and writing their congressman and senators and demanding that they enact socilized medicine. Then money will not be a barrier to proper medical treatment for anyone...rich or poor.

-- Posted by news across on Sat, May 23, 2009, at 6:37 PM

regarding the future hab center firings, layoffs and restructuring ...

blame obama and his "triple the deficit spending in his first 100 days let's nationalize everything and go socialist big government" administration!

oh wait ... it's just 2K9 ... it's still W's fault ... he isn't scheduled to stop being blamed for everything by the obamacrats until 2K19. or maybe that was 2K29. i'll have to check with the official obama white house news agency to verify the date of when their watch officially begins and they start accepting responsibility for their actions. don't think that's gonna happen for awhile - if ever.

meanwhile, back to more razzle dazzle coverage of barack playing basketball and picking his next ncaa hoops bracket while michelle tends to the new white house garden, as behind the scenes good ol' barack and his cronies reid, president pelosi and barney rubble frank try to cram everything through as quickly as possible before america wakes up to what they're doing. they know as soon as we wake up and realize what they're up to, they'll be out on their keesters in four years. or in prez pelosi's case, in just a few weeks.

........... news flash ............ breaking news ......... obama tries to fashion himself even more like fdr and wants to serve more than two terms for the "better" of the country ... tries to overturn the two-term limit and become the next hugo chavez with unlimited terms ... more to follow ...... news flash .... breaking news ......

give us change - anyone but mccain or obama in 2K12! as much as it pains me to say this, hillary, please resign your useless current position of secretary of state in the next year or so and challenge this wanna-be prez in 2K12 ... looking back you would've been a much better choice than the record-spender obama, you would have at least hit the ground running with more experience and an ex prez to help with advice instead of learning on the job and relying on the likes of rahm emanuel, prez pelosi, robert gibbs ... on and on and on ....

does anyone really have any faith and confidence in the ability of the obama administration to accurately and professionally vet the next supreme court nominee? are we gonna go through three or four of them before too-cool-for-school-obama and his comrades get it right??? inquiring minds wanna know!

you voted for him america ... can you afford him?

-- Posted by buffetandtrump on Sat, May 23, 2009, at 6:09 PM

Third Child,...

...the issue here is the legal concept of "parens patriae" (Latin for "Father of the Country")...a legal concept we inherited from English common law (http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Parens+Patriae).

Its this foundation which regards the State as having the ultimate authority for the welfare of minor children and the mentally incompetant and regards the parents as being entrusted with the responsibility for the normal care of the children by the authority of the state. However, when the Parents are reckless or negligent in that entrusted care, the State has the right to overule the parents and assume its rights under Parens Patriae ( Ex parte Crouse 1838, Fontain v. Ravenel, 58 U.S. 369 392-93 (1854), Meyer v. Nebraska, 262 U.S. 390, 290 (1923), et al).

There is a long history of Supreme Court precidents supporting the doctrine of parens patriae and the court in this case is acting well within its Constitutional rights. I would also like to point out that the Father of this child strongly agrees with the court and is insisting that his child receive the treatment recomended by the treating physians.

You may not like the law as it regards medical treatment of children and the ultimate authority resting upon the state, but it is the law all the same. You cannot undo our entire system of case law, judicial review, and jurisprudence merely because you disagree.

-- Posted by news across on Sat, May 23, 2009, at 5:57 PM

Jo, do you recall approximately what year that incident was first covered by the news media?

-- Posted by Slater on Sat, May 23, 2009, at 4:39 PM

Ha ha ha!! I can picture you whizzing along, the kid strapped down in the luggage carrier, arms and legs flailing, laughing gleefully, and the critters wailing to be released from their confinement in the "trunk." :)

An old friend bought a used '66 Beetle in 01-67 (paid $1200.) and was still driving it not many years ago.

-- Posted by Slater on Sat, May 23, 2009, at 3:58 PM

White Tornado...I would be interested in knowing how your beat 90% blockages...diet? Exercise? Supplements?

-- Posted by hunterfisher on Sat, May 23, 2009, at 1:42 PM

The lights last Wednesday were from a fire in Howard County. A pipeline fire.

http://www.fayettenewspapers.com/artman/...

I actually agree with Third Child on the cancer issue...a first and probably last.

-- Posted by hunterfisher on Sat, May 23, 2009, at 1:41 PM

"It should be remembered that the State has the ultimate responsibility for the welfare of all children and the State is well within its rights to order AMA recognized and approved treatment for minor children in cases where the parents refuse to meet their responsibilies to the child."

Statements like this demonstrate the ongoing societal re-engineering of generations of our children in the public school system. The writer probably believes what they wrote but to me it strongly reads as a disinformational propaganda piece.

To those of a different generation, 'it should be remembered' that the parent has the ultimate responsibility for the welfare of the child. There are alternative treatments and the parent has the ultimate right to make that decision, not a bunch of corrupted bureaucrats that are wined and dined and richly financed by big pharma.

The pharmaceutical/medical mafia can't be allowed to force their lucrative poisonous quackery on the population at the point of a gun! The only thing the government is protecting is their false monopoly of power.

There are natural cures for cancer, and have been for years but the AMA is in the business of disease "management." They will 'manage' your disease as long as there is money to do so.

When your money runs out, you're done.

Next victim..

-- Posted by Third Child on Sat, May 23, 2009, at 10:46 AM

Slater, Im a rookie on the pc, But i think you could find something about the Prostitute in the New York Times Archives! Sorry i couldn't find it! Its strange, that two hardcore Prostitutes, arrested with a little Black Book,would take their lives by Hanging, with a charge like that! There were several Congressmen & Senators Named in it! Then they found the Prostitutes Hanged! Then it just faded away. I found nothing else in the Papers again! Very strange, don't you think? Man! Someone on that list, did away with those poor Girls. And no one gives a damb! Speculation on my part! But, if someone wants to look back in this Blogs Archives, i Speculated about Bush back then. I thought his eyes was to close together then, the Snake! And was right! Ha.

-- Posted by Jo on Sat, May 23, 2009, at 2:48 AM

White Tornado,

The reference is to a minor child (13 years old) who has hodgkins. His mother has refused treatments approved by the AMA and ordered by a state court...treatments which have a huge success rate and would save the child's life.

The mother was ordered to comply with the treating doctors recomendations. She thus far has failed to comply with the court order and failed to show up in court as ordered by the judge. The authorities believe she has fled the Country and she is now a fugitive of justice. There are outstanding warrants for her arrest.

It should be remembered that the State has the ultimate responsibility for the welfare of all children and the State is well within its rights to order AMA recognized and approved treatment for minor children in cases where the parents refuse to meet their responsibilies to the child. In this case, the doctors say they can easily treat this cancer and that the probability of success, based upon empirical evidence, is extremely high. The doctors have said the child will likely die with out treatment.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, May 22, 2009, at 11:33 PM

Hi folk!, I must confess, I don't pay much attention to the news these days so could someone please brief me on this item?

"Mike Adams:

"What's most astonishing about the mainstream reaction to the forced chemotherapy of Daniel Hauser is not merely that they believe states now own the children, but that they believe in the entire world there exists but one single treatment for cancer, and it happens to be the one that makes pharmaceutical companies the most money. The arrogance (and ignorance) of that position is mind boggling."

-- Posted by Third Child on Fri, May 22, 2009

Did someone get ordered to have chemotherapy?

If so, I find that appalling and we should rise up in protest. Ten years or so ago, my HMO doctor insisted I needed an immediate triple by-pass heart surgery. I said, "No thanks!" His jaw hit the floor and then he promised me a heart attack within 6 months, year at the most. 3 blockages of 90% or more but I cleared them out on my own. If anyone wants to hear more just let me know as I don't want to get boring as the story gets a bit long. WT

-- Posted by White Tornado on Fri, May 22, 2009, at 10:58 PM

slater,

I didn't forget you either mate!

A big hello to you from the land of Oz!

"Settlement" is a kind of gentle way to refer to the establishment of the Australian penal colony, lol. After the Brits could no longer send the Irish political prisoners to America (1787 or so), they sent them to Australia where they were treated like slaves. Those Irish political prisoners proceeded to build a Nation out of the Australian wilderness. Today the Australians are very proud of their Irish ancestors and they still resent the English who they refer to as "pommies."

However, the Australians love America and have supported America no matter what any other nation has to say. The Australians regard themselves as America's best ally and rightly so. They have fought by our side in every war since WWI...including the war in Korea and the war in Vietnam, the war in Iraq, and the war in Afganistan...just to name a few.

Even today, with all the complaining about America recently around the World, Australians stand tall and proud of their American cousins and God help anyone who dares to critisize America here.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, May 22, 2009, at 9:33 PM

upsedaisy,

Thank you so much for you kind words.

Yes things are just fine here in Australia. Somehow we seem to have missed the economic depression America is experiencing...I can't explain why that is so, but it does seem to be the case.

The music business here is very healthy and I am staying pretty busy with it. Of course for me its not about the money but rather its all about the music (but getting paid for it doesn't hurt lol).

Thank you again for asking.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, May 22, 2009, at 9:12 PM

Since it didnt seem to be in the paper-does anyone have any idea what the lights (looked like fire) were that you could see southeast of Slater night before last(Wednesday). I noticed them on my way home from Marshall about 10pm. It was so bright it almost looked like a sunrise. Hopefully no one was hurt or property damaged. Thanks.

-- Posted by landreth on Fri, May 22, 2009, at 9:12 PM

"The Quackery of Chemotherapy, Gunpoint Medicine and the Disturbing Fate of 13-Year-Old Daniel Hauser"

http://www.naturalnews.com/026305.html

Mike Adams:

"What's most astonishing about the mainstream reaction to the forced chemotherapy of Daniel Hauser is not merely that they believe states now own the children, but that they believe in the entire world there exists but one single treatment for cancer, and it happens to be the one that makes pharmaceutical companies the most money. The arrogance (and ignorance) of that position is mind boggling."

-- Posted by Third Child on Fri, May 22, 2009, at 8:56 PM

Newsacross:

Gosh it's good to hear from you. Several of us old-timers have been worried. Hope you are well and that there are money making opportunities for musicians in the land of Oz.

-- Posted by upsedaisy on Fri, May 22, 2009, at 8:22 PM

ND, do you still have the VW? :)

-- Posted by Slater on Fri, May 22, 2009, at 3:42 PM

Hey OKR! How's life in the land of the Thunder? :)

-- Posted by Slater on Fri, May 22, 2009, at 3:40 PM

Jo, I believe the federal, state, and local governments are infested with unethical people who do whatever they can get away with to further their own interests and line their pockets even to the point of breaking the law. The problem is, we the people don't demand that lawbreakers and ethics violators be removed from their positions. One reason it continues is that the wrongdoers know nothing will happen to them.

I do have a bit of a memory about that Washington case you mentioned, but I don't remember any of the details. Some of the monkeys in Washington, on both sides of the aisle, will do anything to keep a tight grip on their feathered nests.

When Blunt and McCaskill were candidates for the governor's chair, I remember reading in the St. Louis newspaper that Blunt told McCaskill she was too old to be running for office, and that remark was reported as being made during a debate in St. Louis.

At the time I thought maybe he'd been misinterpreted, but since that time his general behavior had me rethinking my original thought about it.

-- Posted by Slater on Fri, May 22, 2009, at 3:31 PM

midmocat,

Rush, Hannity and O'Reilly called ...

they want you to quit doing thier schtick.

At this point in time could you tell me what is so "right thinking" about these republicans?

God,guns and gays,right? Must be, that's all they ever seem to care about.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, May 22, 2009, at 3:23 PM

Midmocat if the recent crops of Republicans are so darn good on the state, and national levels why is it that they work so hard to obsfucate, and erase the records of what they have done?

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, May 22, 2009, at 3:15 PM

MidMo, why is it that people of your same mindset feel compelled to converse in an argumentative tone? Are you so unsure of your faculties that you think being blustery is the only way to try and make a point?

As to your future election forcasts, all I can say is, Dream On.

-- Posted by Slater on Fri, May 22, 2009, at 3:03 PM

I agree Slater, this guy needs to be Investigated as well! I got a feeling there's a hole lot of People that needs to be Investigated! Federal & State! I think they have learned a lot from dealing with the Mobs? Blunt and his Dad,needs to be Investigated'! Do you remember the Prostitute Madam case in Washington? Its silly to think these two committed Suicide! Or maybe i have an evil mind , ha

-- Posted by Jo on Fri, May 22, 2009, at 2:58 PM

Isn't this Blunt character wanting Kit Bond's senate seat? I suppose this is one reason why he decided against attempting to be re-elected as the governor.

He's as wormy as his father, in my view.

-- Posted by Slater on Fri, May 22, 2009, at 1:54 PM

Here are two fairly recent stories on re-addressing for 911 in Marshall:

http://www.marshallnews.com/story/148235...

http://www.marshallnews.com/story/143844...

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Fri, May 22, 2009, at 1:45 PM

Taxpayers pay while lawyers play.

Crime goes unpunished at the top..

Taxpayers to pay $500,000 to settle suit against Matt Blunt

JEFFERSON CITY, Mo. (AP) -- The state has agreed to pay $500,000 to a former governor's office attorney to settle claims he was wrongfully terminated and defamed by Gov. Matt Blunt after questioning the office's e-mail deletion practices....

After Eckersley went public with his assertions in October 2007, then-Attorney General Jay Nixon appointed a special investigative team to look into whether the governor's office was complying with record-retention requirements and the Missouri Sunshine Law.

Those investigators issued a report in March asserting that Blunt's administration violated Missouri's public records laws but opted not to refer the matter to prosecutors.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/M...

-- Posted by Third Child on Fri, May 22, 2009, at 1:44 PM

Hey News, good to see you again!

I thought of you recently as I watched a PBS program about the settlement of Australia.

-- Posted by Slater on Fri, May 22, 2009, at 1:17 PM

momaster, if you go back and read my post I said that it took me 5 minutes at the court house, I did not mention anything about all the rest of the changes that I have made. But isn't it worth it if it will save a life?

-- Posted by fresh air on Fri, May 22, 2009, at 11:52 AM

Slater,..

Thank you so much for posting the link to those depression era photos.

My Dad grew up on our family farm on top of Montegue Hill during the depression, and seeing those photos reminded me of the stories he used to tell me about that time period. That generation sure was tough. They didn't have any money but they never gave up. They kept their faith in God and Country, worked incredibly hard, and rarely complained. We sure could use some of their fortitude these days.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, May 22, 2009, at 9:38 AM

Freshair - first, its my right to complain if I want to so don't tell me to stop. Second, I'm not complaining because I am GETTING 911 service. I have HAD 911 service ever since the city of Marshall started it. What I don't understand is if 911 was able to find me before why wouldn't they now? I think it's a very good question and maybe there is a very good answer but no one has taken the time to explain it. By the way, I contacted 4 of my neighbors last night and they all agree with me. Also I think it took you much longer than 5 minutes to make the address changes with everyone that needed to know...gov't.,credit cards, all the businesses you do business with, change your driver license, your church, investment companies, banks, doctors office, etc...yes maybe it is a small inconvenience to pay but back to my question...why when what we had before worked. I just want it to be explained.

-- Posted by momaster on Fri, May 22, 2009, at 7:42 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
One of our reporters is working on a story about this. He'll go into more detail, but I remember early on in the process Geocomm representatives suggested several towns in the county, including Marshall, take the opportunity to fix inconsistencies in addressing. It's for the same purpose as the new addressing system in the county: making it easier for emergency responders to find the right place fast. Addressing oddities DO cause problems for emergency responders.

Speaking of Humphrey's I used to get a purple cow there. I thought I was sooooooooo cool! Plus their tuna fish sandwich was good. I was so young. But I believe that it closed in the sixties. It was when I was in elementary school, I think... Man was that a long time ago. Talk about prehistoric!

-- Posted by salinemg on Fri, May 22, 2009, at 12:01 AM

Although I wasn't alive during the 1930s (born 1941), here's a link with some fascinating photographs. Everyone in here may have already seen this one, but for me it's worth revisiting:

http://www.openmyeyeslord.net/ALookBackI...

-- Posted by Slater on Thu, May 21, 2009, at 11:54 PM

Yes, Jo, Humphrey's closed in the early 70's I think. I remember it was bought by someone who opened it for awhile as a bar, but I can't remember the name of it. Sadly, Humphrey's is long gone. Those were the good old days.

-- Posted by oneofmany on Thu, May 21, 2009, at 11:13 PM

sgates79: I worked at the MHC everything the consumers have learned was taught by the DA staff,they say in class that consumers needs come first, I beg the differ the only time consumers needs come first is when there is a tour or ICF comes, then it goes back to the same old sh_t, and the DAs work their butts off with the consumers, they work alot of overtime now if the supertendent, support staff, das in contracts and SPC, personal would help with the over time and give the das some time with their families and maybe actually have a life outside of the MHC gate,you know myself the consumers can be fun and alot of them are eager to learn to do different things, play pool,baseball,volleyball,basketball,go fishing,crafts,take walks,and the food they have the same sh_t everyweek every month,and consumers act out alot when there is change in staff routines,they act out and its not actually consumers thought its the Big Shots they make the changes and consumers act out staff deals with the behaviors and the consumers get restrictions because someone decides that things should change. I could go on and on but the simple fact is the consumers needs do not come first like they should its what the Unit Manager and Supertendent decides at that time how they want it to be.

-- Posted by nanaof5 on Thu, May 21, 2009, at 10:14 PM

No sweat, Slater ;)

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Thu, May 21, 2009, at 9:02 PM

KF, I fully intended to thank you for posting the link, but I failed, and for that I apologize.

I'm sure that whatever the Boy Scouts are doing is harmless and productive (unless it's discriminating against gay members). I do know that many who are attempting to complete the requirements for Eagle Scout rank are creating their own projects for their merit badges.

Somewhere along the way Third Child asked me a specific question, or took exception to some point I'd made which had no connection with the NYT article, and that's how I got roped into a short dialogue.

I wasn't interested in the article then, and I'm not interested in it now, but again, thanks for making it available.

Also, my reference to the word "kinda" wasn't intended to be purposely offensive, but I know it may have been received that way. :)

-- Posted by Slater on Thu, May 21, 2009, at 8:20 PM

Think about this: If you are laying on your living room floor having a heart attack are you going to still be complaining about your address change???? I bet not! The time it will save to get to your house may save your life. Yes, my address also changed and it took me about 5 minutes to make the changes at the court house. Years ago, I lost a family member waiting on an ambulance, most of the call was trying to give directions to the operator while watching my family member getting worse. So please STOP your complaining and I hope this never happens to you.

-- Posted by fresh air on Thu, May 21, 2009, at 8:06 PM

What's the deal with the enhanced 911 and city residents having to change their addresses? I thought this was only going to effect the rural inhabitants. Now we all have to change at least our house numbers? I don't remember this being part of what we voted on. And we have to notify the county assessor and county clerks office? And if we don't do it they wont deliver our mail. This is a crock!

-- Posted by momaster on Thu, May 21, 2009, at 6:37 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
One of our reporters is working on a story about this. He'll go into more detail, but I remember early on in the process Geocomm representatives suggested several towns in the county, including Marshall, take the opportunity to fix inconsistencies in addressing. It's for the same purpose as the new addressing system in the county: making it easier for emergency responders to find the right place fast.

Slater: Third Child had suggested that Explorer Scouts were being trained for some nefarious purpose when he said "recent news that Boy Scouts are being trained for SWAT teams in Obama's new Civilian Force Armies and being specifically trained to take out US citizens, military veterans and such.."

A story in The New York Times tells the true story about the training and what it's for, and it is certainly not for some Obama Army. It's more in the nature of what you'd expect for a merit badge. I called attention to it, because this is a good example of perfectly innocent material being used to support a complete untruth.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Thu, May 21, 2009, at 6:30 PM

If the article is only "kinda" true, how can it be meaningful?

I don't care one way or the other, except to question the NYT for publishing such a report in the first place, if, in fact, it's "kinda" true. It would support my contention that not everything printed in a newspaper is true. If it's only "kinda" true, then the facts have been withheld and/or distorted, perhaps libeling the publisher, or at the very least, wasting space.

I don't know why I'm even bothering with this.

-- Posted by Slater on Thu, May 21, 2009, at 5:32 PM

"Turns out the story is kinda true..."

Nothing is true unless we choose it to be true.

Words mean whatever we want!

-- Posted by Third Child on Thu, May 21, 2009, at 4:44 PM

Slater and Third Child: Turns out the story is kinda true....but not quite what it seems at first glance. Here's the link, read it ALL THE WAY TO THE END:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/14/us/14e...

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Thu, May 21, 2009, at 4:02 PM

I believe it was Upsedaisy who sometime back posted in this blog that people tend to seek out news and opinions that most closely fit their own way of thinking.

It's your privilege, and mine, to believe whatever we choose.

-- Posted by Slater on Thu, May 21, 2009, at 2:42 PM

Slater,

Are you saying the New York Times made up the story? Does the media always lie?

-- Posted by Third Child on Thu, May 21, 2009, at 2:22 PM

Is there a valid reason for believing everything printed in a newspaper?

As I recall, one or two New York Times reporters were tossed out for making up stories.

-- Posted by Slater on Thu, May 21, 2009, at 2:13 PM

"Are these Boy Scouts being trained in Obama's "Re-eduaction centers?"

Like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mvP0ArKI...

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO OBAMA !

-- Posted by Third Child on Thu, May 21, 2009, at 2:01 PM

"I'll come closer to believing it when I see the undoctored video of the Boy Scout SWAT team breaking into the drug house."

You don't believe the New York Times?

-- Posted by Third Child on Thu, May 21, 2009, at 1:53 PM

Third Child, I'll come closer to believing it when I see the undoctored video of the Boy Scout SWAT team breaking into the drug house.

-- Posted by Slater on Thu, May 21, 2009, at 1:18 PM

OKR, I agree that it's part of human nature to be inquisitive, to seek answers for each new day's questions.

We do things because we can. I was thinking about your JFK comment and the Star Trek intro which included something like, ..."space, the final frontier..." I suppose if Edmund Hillary had been asked why he wanted to climb Mount Everrest he might have said, "Because it's there." In part, humans have ventured into space for the same reason.

Talking about the differences between females and males, how each is "wired" differently, made me think of Missy's comment of the same. I know you're both correct, and I wouldn't call it a hypothesis. Your reference to the shape of rockets being phallic-like could lead one to infer that space vessels were/are designed by males. Ask any woman about the usefulness of kitchen cabinet design and she'd most likely remind you that they're designed largely by males. God has always been depicted as a male. Males did the hunting, while females gathered the other essentials and saw to the maintenance of the societal group. Somehow, and I suppose for the sake of the male ego, the matriarchal influence over human evolution has never been justly acknowledged by the male segment. We believe it's our "divine right" to seize the upper hand. All we have to do is look at what the White Anglo Saxon Prottestant radicals did in this country to the Native American peoples.

I'll leave all of you with this question:

Why will any one group of human beings never believe that any other group of human beings is its equal?

-- Posted by Slater on Thu, May 21, 2009, at 1:12 PM

Third Child,

Are these Boy Scouts being trained in Obama's "Re-eduaction centers?" Does an Eagle Scout now have to have a "Swat" badge?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Thu, May 21, 2009, at 1:04 PM

"it's a good reminder for folks like you and me, and it's a good way for the younger people to get a look at the way life once was."

The Rockwellian depictions of life and family always gave me warm feelings in the past but today I feel more like Edward G. Robinson in the Soylent Green movie, where as they 'put him down' he gets to view scenes of days gone by..

The retro Boy Scout depictions are especially poignant considering recent news that Boy Scouts are being trained for SWAT teams in Obama's new Civilian Force Armies and being specifically trained to take out US citizens, military veterans and such.. Doesn't that give you a warm and fuzzy feeling.. that old Norman Rockwell magic isn't working all that well anymore..

http://www.prisonplanet.com/government-r...

-- Posted by Third Child on Thu, May 21, 2009, at 12:33 PM

Cheetah, no disrespect was concluded on my part; it never entered my mind, in fact. :)

Although your posts don't occur regularly, you always provide interesting commentary which prompts plenty of discussion, and all of us thank you for that. :)

-- Posted by Slater on Thu, May 21, 2009, at 12:25 PM

Jo, I'm glad you enjoyed the site. The creator is most kind for sharing his yesteryear world with all of us who are interested; it's a good reminder for folks like you and me, and it's a good way for the younger people to get a look at the way life once was.

The first time I went in there I was amazed at the amount and variety of content he's added. I hope the site stays up for a long time and lots of people get a chance to see it.

-- Posted by Slater on Thu, May 21, 2009, at 11:54 AM

Cheetah I thought I would wait until the usual suspects had been rounded up, and confessed their beliefs. I agree with Slater, ND, and WT. The problem is they did not leave much room for expansion, for additional pragmatic response regarding Hubble, the space program, and whether or not it is necessary. So, I probably don't have a take away for you on that one.

Since the what has been exhausted I guess I will just launch a hypothesis about the why.

It seems to me that since the beginning of human kind males and females have been wired in remarkable ways. Different, in many ways that are conflicting, but paradoxically those same differences are ultimately compatible.

One of the characteristics of males since the cave people is the compulsion to hunt, and to explore, to go ever further in search of sustenance, and more and varied mates to procreate. Over time men found they had more vehicles (in the larger sense of the word) to expand their search, and satisfy their compulsion. Outlets for this instinctual compulsion continued to expand. At times the result was positive, others not.

Skip forward through the centuries. JFK is in the White House. A rover if there ever was one, juiced up on speed to boot. His competitor (the USSR) had just gone hunting into territories that he (we) couldn't get to. Their shot into space had left the ejaculate Sputnik impossible to ignore. Stirred to the core of his being, he revved us all, and in no time at all we were sending our own phallic tubes into mysterious places. I do not know what we will do next, after all I believe it was Kennedy himself who called space the last frontier.

Meanwhile we continue to make occasional spurts into space, trying to change it up for variety's sake. We have also engaged in group endeavors with others. The Hubble was a different toy that has caused excitement for a long while. It seems we are losing interest, and are not going to make further efforts to keep it going. We are already looking ahead to its new, and exciting replacement.

I have to wonder why it is that though we send phallic appearing devices into space, human kind's universal conception of incoming vessels from space is a round or oval shape. Is it that we are looking for, hoping for, waiting for an ultimate consumation? If our rational minds tell us that we are utilizing the best possible form for space travel why would that not hold true for incoming? Could it be that most of our acts are inspired by instinct, and then intellectualized to give them meaning?

So, perhaps throwing a billion dollars at the Hubble is just our nature, and we can not help ourselves.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, May 21, 2009, at 1:48 AM

Yea Slater,that does take you back. Nostalgia slips in a lot of times! I think back to my Childhood,late 1930 through the late 1950,when i pretty much left Marshall for good. growing up in a Town with old friends! The best memories of my life. I guess it happens to all, after a certain age!But it's refreshing. I knew almost everyone in town!I grew up in a Honky Tonk through my early teens there! Had the Good's on everyone,Ha, really great Memories! Wouldént change a thing! Hell, Slater, Oklahoma, white tornado, nana dot we could have all been friends. We seem to remember a lot of things that went on! Thank Slater!

-- Posted by Jo on Thu, May 21, 2009, at 1:01 AM

Okay folks, I'm jumping in to a discussion that I haven't been following so bear with me here. It seems some of you disagree with the space program so I'll add my 2 cents worth. First, the waste argument. who do you think is getting that money? It's still US citizens for the most part and US companies so how is that wasted money in this time where we are giving billions for bailout to corrupt banks? I was once a pending selectee for the space program so I have a lot of empathy for it,

As far as what we learn, check the past missions and see all the things developed that are now every day items including things like Tang, if you like orange juice. So many such things were "created" just for the space program. Plus the more we know about the universe, the better to anticipate future problems. If you still believe that Earth was created in 6 days, then you may not want to know the truth about the Universe but I would like to know all I can.

Rebuilding bone density, which my former wife, whom I dearly love, needs was improved through the space program. The exercises and machines were all a product of the space program, mostly developed by the Russians, bless their hearts!

You may believe in God but I don't. I believe in Superman and Santa Claus so I'd like to know where they came from and why the Easter Bunny lays multi-colored eggs. Why is Krypton not on the astrological charts? My personal God is the Flying Spaghetti Monster so maybe he is out there in space and will make him(her?)self known if we travel to the right part of the Universe.

-- Posted by White Tornado on Wed, May 20, 2009, at 11:43 PM

sgates79,

Unless you have been living in a hole, you should realize that Governor Matt Blunt is now Former Governor Matt Blunt, and the current resident of the Governor's Mansion is Jay Nixon. I do not see how the piece which you included in your post has anything to do with the current administration.

-- Posted by Owl12345 on Wed, May 20, 2009, at 10:28 PM

Finally someone else who is concerned about MHC! I know several employees sent emails to governor Nixon and all received the standard "thank you for your concern" email back. The people making the decisions are in NO way concerned for the people that live there whose lives will be truly be affected.

I think the ones sitting in the offices need to go spend a honest day with these consumers and not just do a quick tour. Until you spend alot of time with them there is no real way to know how they react to change or to their environment. They might have another thought about what is really best and logical for the consumers.

The doctors in the community including the ER doctors need to investigate how this will impact the community. Without the doctors on hand at the facility the ER will be overrun with consumers from the hab center. Some of those patients have fragile health and we all know how long it takes to get into the doctor. No offense to the doctors but if you are sick today doesn't mean you will still be sick by the time you get an appointment! These patients don't have that time and it is neglectful on the staff not to have them evaluated by a physician...that leaves the ER.

I hope more people will take the time to find out what is really going on at MHC and let their voices and concerns be heard.

-- Posted by kkmom on Wed, May 20, 2009, at 8:48 PM

For all of those who work for the Marshall Habilitation Center and have concerns about the upcoming changes with the structure of our facility which employs 700+ from Saline County and surrounding communities this will be quite interesting. Privatization is not the answer!!

See http://www.state.tn.us/dmrs/dev_centers/...

See http://www.state.tn.us/dmrs/

See http://www.ca6.uscourts.gov/opinions.pdf...

MHC provides for the best interests of its consumers and continues until and if we are shut down to provide the absolute best care for individuals with developmental disabilities within the state of Missouri!

Teeing One Up for the Slashers

Submitted by Howard Beale on December 27, 2006 - 9:01pm

The Matt Blunt administration has begun advertising for a contractor who can supplement his team's considerable expertise in slashing the number and types of services provided to mentally retarded and developmentally disabled Missourians. The latest contract appears intended to assist in the Governor's planned closure of state-run habilitation facilities that serve severely disabled clients of the Department of Mental Health

The Office of Administration website recently went public with Request for Proposal (RFP) for something called "Organizational Change Consulting Services" -- which is bureaucratese for service-cutting privatization gurus. The RFP is deliberately drafted to provide advantage to a Blunt-favored contractor called The Columbus Group, which specializes in preparing state-run facilities for closure by cutting back staff and implementing lower levels of service for the state's clients.

Though the bid request is full of jargon, some portions are illuminating. For example, it describes some of the expected duties of the "Organizational Change Consultant":

"...the contractor shall develop strategies for the consolidation of human resource departments in the state agency's habilitation centers enabling increased efficiency, standardization of human resource practices, and the redeployment of personnel..."

Administrative 'consolidation' and 'redeployment' are on the prospective consultant's To-Do list because the governor's plan is to close habilitation centers from the inside without even getting the legislature to go along (MOHELA sale, anyone?). If he can "consolidate human resource departments" --read 'get rid of those departments in the targeted facilities'-- and "redeploy personnel" from those facilities into others, the heavy lifting of closure will already be done.

And Governor Blunt knows that The Columbus Group is more than capable of tearing Mental Health facilities down, since he's already hired the state's Director of the Mental Retardation/Developmental Disability division out of Columbus's ranks. MR/DD Director Bernie Simons used to be a consultant for Columbus, and was the hatchetman for state-run centers for the disabled in Massachusetts before his arrival on the scene in Missouri.

Can this governor do anything on the up and up? He's trying to strip services from the disabled on the sly, trying to use outside consultants to do his wet work and keep his own hands clean, and trying to use a jury-rigged RFP to hire those consultants. Truly pathetic.

-- Posted by sgates79 on Wed, May 20, 2009, at 7:19 PM

YHYKY, if you believe that's the right location, then you're there. Go in and have a Coke. It's the real thing, you know.

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, May 20, 2009, at 7:08 PM

So you didn't have anything to back up your false assertions.. you fail the test.. you are summarily dismissed.. Close your eyes and picture this discussion over.. out.

-- Posted by Third Child on Wed, May 20, 2009, at 7:00 PM

Anonymously, close your eyes and concentrate; see the photo image of the place in your mind and you'll know where it is.

Have the barkeep put your iced latte on my tab. :)

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, May 20, 2009, at 6:35 PM

Illiterate is better than ignorant.

You fail to answer the question.

Back up your previous assertions or we will have to conclude it was simply vacuous posturing.

-- Posted by Third Child on Wed, May 20, 2009, at 6:33 PM

did any body from the democrat news take pics of the run for the wall riders that traveled through saline county on monday?

-- Posted by 1laststand on Wed, May 20, 2009, at 6:13 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
We didn't get there, I'm sorry to say. If anyone has photos they'd be willing to share, let me know.

"I believe Alex Jones is a shill, who aids in the concealment of 'actual' conspiracies."

Did you have anything other than your opinion to support this "wild eyed, lunatic" conspiracy theory? Have you actually listened to any shows or are you like others that form opinions out of blue sky?

Speaking of blue skies.. there hardly are any, these days.. a chemical/biological conspiracy..

http://www.911weknow.com/index.php?optio...

-- Posted by Third Child on Wed, May 20, 2009, at 6:03 PM

It's to bad the Square had too change so much, but i guess that the way it is. Shame! I don't hardly recognize that town anymore. Progress isen't always good with the old Folks! Thanks for the info on Humphrey's Slater!

-- Posted by Jo on Wed, May 20, 2009, at 5:34 PM

I said I didn't need more information on Jones because I've already seen more than enough. Scared of him? Hardly. What's to be afraid of? More ranting?

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Wed, May 20, 2009, at 4:51 PM

Does anyone have any idea what is being built in front of Walmart? Eric, how about an article on new construction/businesses?

-- Posted by cmasretire on Wed, May 20, 2009, at 4:44 PM

"If I wanted to know more about an inflammatory, wild-eyed, ultra-biased lunatic conspiracy theorist, I'd check those out, Third, but no thanks."

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Wed, May 20, 2009, at 3:00 PM

Alex Jones, scares the court reporter?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Jones_...

-- Posted by Third Child on Wed, May 20, 2009, at 3:52 PM

Hey Jo, if you haven't seen this site before, take a look around and see what you think. :)

http://www.billsretroworld.com/index.htm

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, May 20, 2009, at 3:34 PM

If I wanted to know more about an inflammatory, wild-eyed, ultra-biased lunatic conspiracy theorist, I'd check those out, Third, but no thanks.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Wed, May 20, 2009, at 3:00 PM

Freundchen Cheetah, as I contemplated your provocative lead-in, several thoughts went through my mind, the first being that you presented what I believe would be a great debate topic for those teams in high school.

In a way I suppose I can agree with you when I think about that field of science in a more concrete way. Astronomy has always fascinated me to an extent, but mainly since we've had the opportunity to see images from "out there," which brings the subject closer to my comprehension. Photography in general has affected me that way from my childhood days.

I was just remembering back to the summer nights when I was just a squirt and how my mother would sometimes spread a sheet on the grass in the evening and we'd lie there waiting for the house to cool down some so that sleep would come a little easier. I'd lie there counting stars, losing my place and starting over, again and again. That had to be the point at which I consciously thought about space, mostly wondering what it was all about.

At a billion dollars, AIG could pay for 170 missions, but it is a lot of money that might very well be spent in more meaningful ways, in ways that could be more readily identified and deemed "useful," but, in spite of the fact that space exploration hasn't yet produced much of a tangible return for the average taxpayer, I support the "concept," at least in the near term.

If humans didn't have the incentive and initiative, the capacity to learn and make discoveries, we might never have begun that quest for fire.

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, May 20, 2009, at 2:41 PM

NanaDot: I want to thank you for introducing me to Alex Jones! I learned a new word when I googled that name: paleoconservative. I assume this is short for "less intelligent than a box of rocks."

You know what they say when you assume something.. ;)

One of Alex's News web sites..

http://www.infowars.com/

Alex Jones, live radio show..

http://www.infowars.com/listen.html

Alex's Bilderberg meeting analysis..

http://www.infowars.com/alex-jones-bilde...

-- Posted by Third Child on Wed, May 20, 2009, at 2:33 PM

Jo, I'm sure some of us wish Humphrey's was still open for business. It had an attraction that never made much sense to me, but I always enjoyed stopping there for a cold drink and to make a few observations. :)

When I was in high school in Slater, Frank Markovich opened a place for us kids in the location formerly occupied by Yates Drug Store. He was loosely copying the Humphrey's concept, but it never came close to having the same appeal as Humphrey's.

Those were simpler times with many fond memories for us old phogeys. :)

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, May 20, 2009, at 2:05 PM

NanaDot: I want to thank you for introducing me to Alex Jones! I learned a new word when I googled that name: paleoconservative. I assume this is short for "less intelligent than a box of rocks."

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Wed, May 20, 2009, at 1:47 PM

I HAD NO IDEA HUMPHREYS WAS STILL OPEN, THAT PLACE HAS TO BE 85 YEARS OLD! IT WAS A HANGOUT WHEN I WAS A KID,75YEARS AGO! INTERESTING.

-- Posted by Jo on Wed, May 20, 2009, at 1:33 PM

lesson learned Mr. Crump-- Lesson learned

-- Posted by workingmom on Wed, May 20, 2009, at 12:54 PM

Aikman: belated response to your comments at

http://www.marshallnews.com/blogs/1138/e...

Baggy pants

-- Posted by Third Child on Wed, May 20, 2009, at 12:12 PM

"can anyone agree that there may have been a better place to spend a billion bucks?"

The country is being plundered.

A billion doesn't matter.

-- Posted by Third Child on Wed, May 20, 2009, at 11:50 AM

I have a question-- one of the comment sections for an article was made inaccessible-- is it just for me or had it been eliminated

-- Posted by workingmom on Wed, May 20, 2009, at 10:41 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
It has been removed.

Does anyone know where you can get free mulch?

-- Posted by snoozes on Wed, May 20, 2009, at 9:08 AM

Here is one for the ages. The missing link has been found, or so they say. It appears that it at the least is an important evolutionary discovery. It may even cause Darwinians to dump the fish with feet symbol, and instead use prints of this fossil as a symbol. It does look like it would make a nice pinCheck it out: http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-N...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, May 20, 2009, at 1:55 AM

I have a tab going at Humphrey's. Help yourself. :)

-- Posted by Slater on Tue, May 19, 2009, at 8:53 PM


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