Speak Out April 7 to May 19, 2009

Thursday, April 2, 2009

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  • Still time to vote. Polls are open until 7 p.m. Municipal elections may be less thrilling than national elections, but they are just as important!

    -- Posted by Eric Crump on Tue, Apr 7, 2009, at 4:25 PM
  • Here's a story from Cape Girardeau about 911 centers in Missouri, in which Senator Jason Crowell says he thinks there should be only 5 centers in the state instead of the 174 that exist today:


    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Wed, Apr 8, 2009, at 11:40 AM
  • I see were the Federal Prosecutors are being looked at. It's about time, it should have started when Bush took office! They have had free reign far to long! Stevens should be retried! this was all done, to free the unethical crook! There are a bunch of others,who's head should roll! There has been a stench in the Law from Washington to the Ambulance Chaser, that needs to be fixed!

    -- Posted by Jo on Wed, Apr 8, 2009, at 1:45 PM
  • I don't understand the address changes for the new 911 system. It seems alot of people are upset about, me included. I hope someone can explain why I have to change since it worked for the old system.

    -- Posted by JohnnyD on Thu, Apr 9, 2009, at 11:42 AM
  • I understand that rural areas need changing but in town. I just don't get it.

    -- Posted by JohnnyD on Thu, Apr 9, 2009, at 11:56 AM
  • JohnnyD: The changes in town are not as extensive as those in the county, but are badly needed. Here's a story we did on it in early December:


    In addition to the emergency responder problem mentioned in this story, there was another, similar problem very recently.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Thu, Apr 9, 2009, at 6:25 PM
  • I would have wondered about the need for changing town addresses too.....until I delivered Meals on Wheels. What a nightmare! Some addresses switch from north to south in the middle of the block (I'm not kidding). One of my neighbors could not be found when she needed emergency help because her house was so badly misnumbered. When I had trouble finding house numbers, it meant a few elderly people got cold meatloaf. For first responders, it means the difference between life and death. A small price to pay for a little inconvenience. I'm glad it's finally being corrected.

    -- Posted by oneofmany on Thu, Apr 9, 2009, at 11:12 PM
  • Personally I think the new addresses are a joke. It may have straightened out some problem areas of the county, but for me it causes more problems. Currently the main street of Malta Bend has two names. If you go by the city of Malta Bend name how are you going to find and address north or south of the city limits. If someone at the MB Legion Hall has a heart attack the address will be North Daybreak Road. Will the ambulance drivers who are substitute driver who come from another county going to know that at the stoplight you turn SOUTH on North Daybreak Road. But what if they only see the Malta Bend street sign of Linn Street. Will they know that it is Daybreak Road?

    Plus my address in front of the house is to a town that is not the town of my phone and is not my nearest town. The town where I went to school and where my phone is listed is 6 miles away from home. the town that my address is listed is 14 miles away from my home. If I have a package delivered in the past I used my nearest town address. When I have asked the ambulance district for assistance they always must be given directions they can not read a map. If I call 911 in the future and faint will they truly be able to find me without directions? I doubt it. The 911 addresses are a joke out in the country.

    -- Posted by salinemg on Thu, Apr 9, 2009, at 11:32 PM
  • Any chance to get the sports stories from the 8th put online? The Owls baseball game on the 7th was pretty bad, but I'd still like to print off the short article I read in your print edition. It's just a little neater in the scrap book.

    -- Posted by Philemon on Fri, Apr 10, 2009, at 6:48 AM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    Stories are posted now. Sorry about that.
  • OKR, I hope you and your family are out of the line of fire up there.

    -- Posted by Slater on Fri, Apr 10, 2009, at 8:39 AM
  • If Karl Rove thinks Joe Biden is a "blow hard and a liar," then what does that make Karl Rove?

    -- Posted by OldOwl on Fri, Apr 10, 2009, at 11:28 AM
  • Thanks Eric, you all do a great job and are quick to respond. I really hated to complain, seeing as how we are so lucky to have this free service.

    -- Posted by Philemon on Fri, Apr 10, 2009, at 2:57 PM
  • Is there a history buff out there that may have detailed knowledge or resources of Saline County history.

    I'm looking for information about a place called "The Island" located somewhere in Saline County and existed about 1900 to 1920. It may have been longer.

    It may have been a place of illegal activity like moonshining, prostitution, etc, or where shady persons congregated or hidout.

    I am a former resident of Saline County, 1942 to 1963, and have been researching family history and genealogy for over 25 years.

    You may reply to me directly or post replies here

    All the Best

    Craig Hubbard

    -- Posted by ceh_meh@verizon.net on Fri, Apr 10, 2009, at 5:38 PM
  • About ten miles to the east of us Slater. The skies were full of smoke yesterday, and we were down wind of the fire lines.

    Thanks for your kind thoughts.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Apr 10, 2009, at 6:46 PM
  • Craig, are you talking about an area or a specific building?

    North of Grand Pass there is an area that is referred to as "White's Island".

    -- Posted by missy08 on Sat, Apr 11, 2009, at 6:57 AM
  • It probably was an area like the White's Island you mentioned. There have been many "islands" in the MO River and its bottoms that were created and wiped out by floods.

    Thank you, Missy08


    -- Posted by ceh_meh@verizon.net on Sat, Apr 11, 2009, at 12:57 PM
  • I'm glad to hear all is well, OKR.

    I was listening to some Pink Floyd music a while ago, and I wondered if anyone in here was/is a fan.

    Shine on, You Crazy Diamond was a favorite of my son, who would be 38 today if he was still with us.

    -- Posted by Slater on Sat, Apr 11, 2009, at 5:05 PM
  • 'Bill would allow public school buildings to be sold to charter schools'..

    "If passed, it could affect a 2007 decision by the St. Louis Board of Education. The board approved a restriction to keep public school buildings from being sold to charter schools, liquor stores, adult entertainment venues, distilleries and landfills."

    The St. Louis Board of Education should give themselves a gold star for that one..

    -- Posted by Third Child on Sat, Apr 11, 2009, at 10:57 PM
  • the link;


    "Measure ends limits on sale of schools"

    Rep. Chris Kelly is co-sponsoring a bill that could allow charter schools to buy closed buildings owned by St. Louis Public Schools. But Kelly said his interest in the legislation does not signal a change in his opposition to school choice or charter schools...

    -- Posted by Third Child on Sat, Apr 11, 2009, at 11:09 PM
  • Thanks to the US Navy for freeing Captain Richard Phillips from the pirates off the shores of Somalia. Our armed forces are the best!

    -- Posted by oneofmany on Sun, Apr 12, 2009, at 1:07 PM
  • I was driving down a major street in the southwest part of town yesterday and noticed huge piles of trash out on the curb at several residences. People were rummaging through trash and hauling things off, many times, leaving more of a mess than what had originally been there. Then it occurred to me that citywide clean-up starts next week. I'm assuming that part of town has pick-up on Monday. Perhaps people had put their items on the curb early because they were leaving town for the weekend and might not return in time for the Monday pick-up (School is apparently out Monday, so families with children may be staying at grandma's an extra day?) At any rate, perhaps there could be a better time to schedule the pick-up so it doesn't coincide with the holiday. I'm sure we have visitors to our community for Easter, and this is not a very desirable display.

    Just a thought.......

    -- Posted by oneofmany on Sun, Apr 12, 2009, at 1:14 PM
  • "The fourth pirate was on an American ship negotiating at the time and was arrested after the rescue."

    Even better. Three shots, three kills.

    Puts a premium on being the negotiator, doesn't it?

    -- Posted by AF Brat on Sun, Apr 12, 2009, at 2:42 PM
  • There are two things that would help our nation recover more than anything else we could do right now.

    The first is to get out of Iraq now. If the people of Iraq can not pull their nation together after all these years, they won't be able to do so in another two, or three, or four years. The reason is that the political dynamics in the country are stagnant, and will remain so until a catalyst appears to get things moving. That catalyst would be an absence of any other controlling forces than themselves. They would have to work it out, there would no longer be any other option. Get er done.

    The second is to refocus on our primary reason for invading Afganistan. Move all our troops that are now in the country to the border area between Afganistan, and Pakistan. We went there to get Bin Laden. That is where he is. Get er done.

    Do not send more troops to spread across the country to "nation build". People have been trying to do that in Afganistan for over a thousand years, no one has had success. Any progress that we may seem to make is an ephemeral illusion.

    This is a short commentary featuring the opinions of soldiers on the ground in Afganistan. Their comments are eye opening. http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/carpenter/360

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Apr 13, 2009, at 12:40 AM
  • OK Reader - the one thing I didn't see any mention of in the link regarding Afghanistan is any reference to actually being there and talking to the masses of hard working honest people who want democracy and want to rid the country of the corruption but can't do that without outside intervention. The author doesn't mention the high numbers of locals working with NATO for a better life. I won't argue that it shouldn't be our fight, we have enough problems right here in our country to worry about but they are human beings and the US is part of the peace keeping countries, United Nations, and NATO. My comments are from personal experience and contacts.

    -- Posted by Air Force Wife on Mon, Apr 13, 2009, at 12:08 PM
  • AFW I do not doubt that there are many people in Afghanistan that want a better life. One doesn't need to talk to them to know that. The same goes for Ruwanda, Nigeria, Darfur, Iraq, Iran, Cuba, Mexico, et al. There are also people in the United States who want a better life.

    The question is are we in any position to nation build? I believe that we are not, except at home.

    It was a long held conservative tradition to mind our own business, and not spend our capital on foreign entanglements. The Republican party jettisoned that with the rise of the neocons. Look at the mess it has gotten us in. No wonder their base is sinking.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Apr 13, 2009, at 11:58 PM
  • There is also a strong belief that war is good for the economy.

    -- Posted by Air Force Wife on Tue, Apr 14, 2009, at 1:43 PM
  • This war has cost 1 trillion dollars so far. I guess Halliburton and other private contractors benefited, but I'm at a loss to see how this war has been good for the economy.

    -- Posted by born-n-raised on Tue, Apr 14, 2009, at 1:59 PM
  • Here's a general question for you all. I have a Facebook account, but the nearest "network" I can find is Kansas City. I've tried Marshall and Saline County without results. What "network" do Marshall folk use for Facebook?

    By the way, I did locate the Marshall MO, Marshall Sr. High and Missouri Valley College groups, but these are not networks. Suggestions?


    -- Posted by Nonnymus on Tue, Apr 14, 2009, at 4:31 PM
  • nonnymus...use the jeff city network. that seems to be what others use frequently.

    -- Posted by dot97 on Tue, Apr 14, 2009, at 6:53 PM
  • RE: Facebook question

    I agree. Most people use the Columbia/Jefferson City network in Marshall. Marshall Sr. High and Missouri Valley College ARE networks, but you must have an e-mail address issued by those organizations in order to join their network.

    -- Posted by imaloony on Tue, Apr 14, 2009, at 8:41 PM
  • Eric,

    You've done a wonderful job covering the progress of the glass program and the efforts of Mr. Harris. He has done a wonderful job generating the necessary community support and it sounds like he is close to his goal but is still a tad shy to what is needed to get the glass building built. I would encourage anyone to help chip in and support our teachers, our students and our schools. I know that in the past 8 to 12 months, our district has had it's knocks, but here is an opportunity to let our town and our kids shine. Can we join together and help this dream become a reality? Or have we become so splintered and jaded that anything good that comes along that has a chance to blossom, we have to squash it? Can we join together and make something great? Can we?

    -- Posted by Greg House on Tue, Apr 14, 2009, at 8:58 PM
  • born-n-raised ... one trillion dollars for a war?

    why that's just a drop in the bucket to nobama ... pocket change! he's going to make bush's massive spending look like chump change. hasn't ever worked in the past and won't work this time! why aren't you whining about that?

    -- Posted by aikman8 on Wed, Apr 15, 2009, at 12:24 AM
  • I wasn't whining, just responding to AFW with the obvious. Were you as concerned about spending when W was in office? No president ever spent more. What happened to the conservative spending policy that W and his cronies crow about? It seems to me that pot is calling kettle black. Hello, Pot.

    -- Posted by born-n-raised on Wed, Apr 15, 2009, at 7:08 AM
  • Like it or not, war does create jobs. Plants to produce ammunition, uniforms, vehicles - the list goes on and on. Military personnel - including contractors - who do pay taxes. Plus the fact that keeping our military active keeps it strong so we can remain one of the world leaders. The reason for contractors is that we don't have enough military personnel (a shortage created in the mid '90's when the military budget was cut). Whether you like Halliburton or not - the contractors provide the necessities for the military - the servant workers so the military can focus on what they are trained for.

    -- Posted by Air Force Wife on Wed, Apr 15, 2009, at 7:46 AM
  • No, I definitely do not like Halliburton. In my opinion, Halliburton is no better than a group of thieves.

    -- Posted by born-n-raised on Wed, Apr 15, 2009, at 10:02 AM
  • I never saw this printed in the MDN but it too, like Caleb Bellamy story is worthy of printing. Justin Taylor was born and raised in Marshall, MO and graduated from MHS in 1998. The following websites show news articles of him sexually assualting children. You can even google his name and find even more articles. He was even a semenary student while this happened. He has since moved to Iowa.




    -- Posted by creepy on Wed, Apr 15, 2009, at 10:33 AM
  • Is the Pit Stop going to relocate, After the fire we haven't heard anything. Can we get some follow up please!!!! I need a slab of ribs!...lol

    -- Posted by RedTruckRider on Wed, Apr 15, 2009, at 10:58 AM
  • Born-N-Raised, I'm in agreement with you about Halliburton. The organization embodies a lack of ethical standards, which Cheney was most likely responsible for promoting while in charge of the place.

    AFW is right about wartime production creating additional jobs, but the number of new jobs resulting from Iraq and Afghanistan are insignificant in terms of economic growth, unless she's talking about the economies of government contractors. The only war that has had a profound influence on our economy as a whole was WWII, and that occurred mainly because of the state of technology at that time, and the prevailing common attitude.

    Relative to Halliburton and other government contractors, I was just thinking about the $45. claw hammer, the $75. coffee carafe, the $110. toilet seat and so on. I've never heard a reasonable and satisfactory answer to the question of why supplies and services should cost so much, and why the government feels obligated to pay prices like these for the goods it uses.

    Many, many things are way out of focus in this country, and it seems the majority are more willing to put out their hands than to do what's morally and ethically right.

    -- Posted by Slater on Wed, Apr 15, 2009, at 12:23 PM
  • Here's a Web site for those of us with too much time on our hands. (heh heh)

    Actually, it's full of interesting information:


    -- Posted by Slater on Wed, Apr 15, 2009, at 4:50 PM
  • RedTruckRider in the mean time you can get a wonderful slab of ribs about every other Saturday at the old Wal-Mart parking lot. These are the best ribs I have had!

    -- Posted by gunpowder&lead on Wed, Apr 15, 2009, at 7:58 PM
  • Reference to Justin Taylor. I read the links to articles about his past child molesting charges. One from WRAL-TV mentions another student at Southeastern Seminary, Wake Forest, NC. who was also charged for child molestation. Along w/the sad story from Tracy, CA, it is a reminder that parents must be very watchful about protecting their children from sexual predators, who can be found in places we think especially safe.

    -- Posted by upsedaisy on Wed, Apr 15, 2009, at 8:06 PM
  • Red Truck Rider--the best ribs you will ever taste are at the Railyard in Brunswick--only open on Thursday, Friday and Saturday--wish they were in Marshall!!!

    -- Posted by farmerwife on Wed, Apr 15, 2009, at 10:06 PM
  • As to the article on Caleb Bellamy, I don't understand why his parent's name was listed in the article. I can only think of one other time that was done, and that was when Wally George's son was arrested. I think a letter to the editor was written at that time expressing how inappropriate that was as well. I don't see any purpose for doing that other than to humiliate Judge Bellamy. I have no connection to the family, but I can only imagine the pain his parents (both of them, even though his mother wasn't mentioned) must be going through. Also, do you write news articles about all domestic disturbances committed by former Marshall residents in other communities outside Saline County? I think the policy should be consistent. Either always mention the parent's name or never list it.

    -- Posted by oneofmany on Thu, Apr 16, 2009, at 12:15 AM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    We're going to have to agree to disagree on this one. As I explained in a blog entry in January, we have an obligation to report the relationship when family members of public figures get in trouble with the law. It's not a part of the job we enjoy, but it's a practice that is necessary in order to protect the integrity of the newspaper and the public officials involved. For the record, we hold Judge Bellamy in high esteem and have only sympathy for him in the difficult situation regarding his son.
  • Here is a column that will be an eye opener to most. It is not partisan propaganda for either side. I believe it will further each reader's understanding of our continuing economic crisis, how we got there, and what we can do to get out of the mess. Read it, see if it makes sense to you as it does to me. I may be missing something in my take on the column. If so I would appreciate other readers sharing their reservations. http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/04/13

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Apr 16, 2009, at 12:45 AM
  • The lighter side: Some of you will enjoy this satirical essay. Fair warning, it has mildly obscene words in it such as a--h-les. For those of you that are sharp of eye and dismiss it because the words Huffington Post appear in the tag, please don't. It is about Wall Street, and the only political zinger is a derisive, but funny comment about the Obama Administration.


    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Apr 16, 2009, at 1:11 AM
  • BTW Slater I was sorry for you when I read that you have lost a son. I am fortunate that I do not know your grief.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Apr 16, 2009, at 1:22 AM
  • does anyone know when the new donut shop is set to open? it's been "opening soon" according to the sign for over a month now and I'm really ready for some good donuts!!

    -- Posted by oldschool17 on Thu, Apr 16, 2009, at 8:22 AM
  • With all the talk about the economy and finances, here's a link to a dictionary of financial terms which may help to understand the lingo:


    -- Posted by Slater on Thu, Apr 16, 2009, at 11:03 AM
  • OKR, thanks for your kind expression. :)

    -- Posted by Slater on Thu, Apr 16, 2009, at 11:12 AM
  • OKR, I got a good laugh from the Andy Borowitz flamer. Thanks for sharing. :)

    -- Posted by Slater on Thu, Apr 16, 2009, at 12:02 PM
  • Eric, maybe your policy to list the names of parents who are public figures when adult children are accused of a crime should be a poll question. I'd be interested to see how many people agree with your policy. Also, define public figure. Do you mean only elected officials or is it at the discretion of the staff of the Democrat News to determine who is a public figure?

    -- Posted by oneofmany on Thu, Apr 16, 2009, at 11:45 PM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    The decision is, by necessity, a judgment call on our part because there is no definitive legal standard. Sometimes the decision is straightforward: sheriffs, judges, mayors, council members, school board members, etc. are public officials and generally are public figures. But not all government employees are public figures, and sometimes people who aren't public officials qualify as public figures if, as the Associated Press Stylebook says, they have sufficient "influence over public matters." Sometimes the specific situation and the person's role in it will determine who is and who isn't a public figure.

    I realize (boy, do I!) that naming public figures whose relatives are charged with breaking the law is not a popular practice. We work hard to be responsive to readers and have made changes to our coverage in recent months to better meet readers expectations.

    There are cases, however -- and this is one of them -- where our obligations to the public outweigh our desire to please. Even if we do a poll on this question, I do not foresee a change in policy.

    And I'll reiterate, in case anyone missed previous responses: This practice in no way indicates criticism of public figures named nor disrespect toward them. Most public figures fully understand our obligation to name them and consider it a difficult but necessary aspect of their jobs.

  • Public Figure or not . Why does the Family of any Suspect in a Crime, have to be mentioned? Im sure if it is a Dignitary, it would be picked up by some Reporter.Even then, why would that reflect on the Family?

    -- Posted by Jo on Fri, Apr 17, 2009, at 10:21 PM
  • hey is the editor in office on saturday??

    -- Posted by MoAirmen on Fri, Apr 17, 2009, at 11:19 PM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    How can I help you?
  • Somehow equating Sarah Palin to Saline County officials is humorous to me. First of all, she paraded her children in front of the public, which opened her family up to much scrutiny. Of course, the irony of her pregnant daughter's situation didn't seem to mesh with her very conservative views. I still would like to see how many people agree with your policy. I have been a HUGE supporter of the Daily all of my life, but this one irritates me. You said, "We work hard to be responsive to readers and have made changes to our coverage in recent months to better meet readers expectations." I would like to know what your readers' expectations are on this issue, even if you decline to change your policy.

    -- Posted by oneofmany on Sat, Apr 18, 2009, at 12:42 AM
  • Hey ND, nice to see you again. :)

    I do agree that a full disclosure, early on, is the best policy. HOWEVER, along with the disclosures should come a disclaimer affording those being named some modicum of innocence, where due.

    Newspeople are quick to make a connection, but out of ignorance or a disregard for factual reporting, complicity is oftentimes left to the reader, which is always a dangerous alternative.

    -- Posted by Slater on Sun, Apr 19, 2009, at 1:29 PM
  • Let me point out that the arrest of Mr. Bellamy's adult son did not occur in Saline County. Someone had to go fishing for this story. Frankly, I don't know why anyone would ever run for office. Again, I'd like to see a poll to see how many readers agree.

    -- Posted by oneofmany on Sun, Apr 19, 2009, at 3:45 PM
  • We don't "fish" for stories on the relatives of public officials. We have plenty of other work to do. It's often the case that the stories are brought to us by our readers.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Sun, Apr 19, 2009, at 6:46 PM
  • Gosh, you have to wonder if someone who would walk into the Democrat News with that story must have an ax to grind. Very sad, I would think. Human nature is truly interesting.

    -- Posted by oneofmany on Sun, Apr 19, 2009, at 9:39 PM
  • Yee Haw,

    He's only been president for three months.

    Why don't you tell us what you would have done in the first three months if you were president?

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Mon, Apr 20, 2009, at 2:19 PM
  • Yeehaw, if the Republicans had offered a decent choice, the outcome might have been different. McCain and Palin were definitely not a winning ticket. The party needs to enter the 21st century if they are to be considered viable. I get tired of hearing the whining about losing the election to OBama. (Calling him Osama just reflects the out-of-touch philosophy of the party.) Get over it! He's our president and he inherited a mess. Some of it started in the Clinton administration, but the Bush administration did nothing to regulate and in fact turned their back on regulation in the eight years they were in control. (Am I correct in saying the Republicans also controlled Congress for much of that time?) Americans need to support our president and Congress.

    -- Posted by oneofmany on Mon, Apr 20, 2009, at 3:25 PM
  • YeeHaw..a personal attack is the only comment you ever have for him......its getting old

    -- Posted by GOCHIEFS on Mon, Apr 20, 2009, at 4:44 PM
  • Conflict of Interest in Malta Bend

    Malta Bend school district hires a board member to teach; board member resigns due to conflict of interest. Sorry, too late -- the conflict has already occurred. Ms. Gorrell may be a fine candidate, but the conflict occurred when she applied for the job while still on the board. A conflict continued when she interviewed for the job while still on the board. (See P. McCorkle) The resignation needed to occur before the job search began.

    Saline County school boards don't seem to recognize a conflict of interest even when it hits them in the face.

    -- Posted by raysfan on Mon, Apr 20, 2009, at 5:28 PM
  • midmocat should run for president since he/she seems to have all the answers, and CLEARLY he/she is ALWAYS right. (LOVE people like that!!) Maybe Yeehaw could be on his/her cabinet. Together, they could conquer the world.

    -- Posted by born-n-raised on Mon, Apr 20, 2009, at 5:53 PM
  • Occasionally, as I read some of these posts I'm reminded of a long-gone television program called The Howdy Doody Show which featured a variety of characters. One that's brought to mind was called Phineas T. Bluster, but I'm certain those of you who never saw the show can guess what he was about.

    -- Posted by Slater on Mon, Apr 20, 2009, at 7:10 PM
  • OKR, I'm still thinking about Abney breaking his shoelaces making that touchdown run.

    I related your story to an old friend (a '59 MHS graduate) who has two or three physics degrees, and he suggested that it most likely resulted from shoes being issued with worn-out laces due to a depleted MHS athletics budget. (heh heh)

    It's a good story, and I'm glad you told it to me. :)

    -- Posted by Slater on Mon, Apr 20, 2009, at 7:32 PM
  • Let's change the subject....How do you all feel about these poor dogs around town that are on chains 24/7? The one that comes to my mind is the poor dog on the corner of Morrow and English. That poor dog is on a log chain that is no longer than 10 feet long. Come rain or shine the poor thing sits out there with that heavy chain and not any human contact. People, if you are going to have a pet, treat it as a pet, and not a possession.

    -- Posted by tommob on Tue, Apr 21, 2009, at 10:46 AM
  • I agree with you tommob. If you want to have a pet then treat them like one. Dogs are pack dogs, they are not meant to live alone. Wolves and coyotes live with others around, not on a chain hooked to a tree.

    -- Posted by snoozes on Tue, Apr 21, 2009, at 11:24 AM
  • ewwww don't get me started on the poor treatment of animals. we have offered to walk this dog or at least buy him some shelter!!(the rottie on english) you just can't help some folks.....

    -- Posted by marshallite on Tue, Apr 21, 2009, at 12:10 PM
  • What can we do for that poor dog? Is there any laws against the way that dog lives? He is just begging for attention...makes me want to cry :(

    -- Posted by tommob on Tue, Apr 21, 2009, at 12:21 PM
  • I don't even think I have seen a person interact with that dog while it is on the chain. It has been on that chain so long that the ground around that tree is only dirt so when it rains the dog is in the mud. The poor dog was drinking out of a dirty bucket the other day. That is no life for a dog.

    -- Posted by snoozes on Tue, Apr 21, 2009, at 1:59 PM
  • Why doesn't someone report the situation?

    I don't live there. Give me the information (address, dog breed) and I'll report it.

    -- Posted by Slater on Tue, Apr 21, 2009, at 2:12 PM
  • Why is it that no one contacts the Human Society, about these Poor Dogs? they are no different than a Child being neglected! If you see this, do something about it!?

    -- Posted by Jo on Tue, Apr 21, 2009, at 2:16 PM
  • I have mentioned it to the animal control. I was told that as long as they have shelter, food, and water there is nothing that can be done. If thats not the case I would be glad to do whatever it takes to help these poor animals.

    -- Posted by tommob on Tue, Apr 21, 2009, at 2:54 PM
  • There's also a big old english sheepdog on a chain over on North Benton just up from Green Printers that I feel so intense sorry for. If it's sunny, he's panting and hot in all that thick fur....if it's rainy he's sitting in the cold mud with wet muddy fur. I could just cry for him.

    -- Posted by luvthoseowls on Tue, Apr 21, 2009, at 4:40 PM
  • Well, if enough of you registered your displeasure on a daily basis, pretty soon the police would get tired of hearing from you and go do something about those animals.

    There's more to it than just food, shelter, and fresh water (which I seriously doubt is ever fresh).

    -- Posted by Slater on Tue, Apr 21, 2009, at 5:09 PM
  • The issue with the Animal Control Officer is that she is not always on duty. The nuisance officer whose sole purpose is to write people tickets for weeds and junk in their yards has to take over when she isn't there. He tries to catch the animals but if he is successful well that's another story. The police department almost every night gets a dead animal call or a dog call. I think some people need to stop being so lazy and deal with the animals themselves. The ACO is on duty from 8-4pm Mon-Fri, if it's after hours either deal with it or wait for work hours.

    -- Posted by para-chic on Tue, Apr 21, 2009, at 7:49 PM
  • Some municipalities are passing laws which stipulate dogs cannot be tethered or staked out for longer than three hours. Local groups have built fences for people who could not afford them.

    Tethered dogs are a hazard to small children who might wander within range.

    -- Posted by upsedaisy on Tue, Apr 21, 2009, at 8:12 PM
  • Maybe the city council needs to be addressed about these poor dogs. Maybe a tether law can be enacted.

    -- Posted by born-n-raised on Tue, Apr 21, 2009, at 8:38 PM
  • luvthoseowls ...

    i sympathize with you completely about that sheep dog ... i drive by there every day, he seems so full of life usually, romping around, but is stuck on that chain ... that's no life at all for a dog, or anyone. if you don't have time for an animal, or you rent and it's not allowed in the house, give it away instead of sticking it on a chain and never giving it attention other than to go out and feed it once a day if the dog is lucky. give it away! take it to our non-kill shelter to find a better home! can you imagine being chained up, day after day after day after day like that? my heart goes out to any dog, any animal, that is on a chain. these people that own these animals definitely don't have a clue as to anyone's feelings about them chaining a dog, probably don't care, and have their eyes closed - how do we wake them up?

    -- Posted by aikman8 on Wed, Apr 22, 2009, at 12:12 AM
  • Here is one that may cause hard liners on the right to short circuit, and melt down. In a five to four decision the Supreme Court of the United States limited warrantless searches of stopped vehicles.

    Nothing unusual about a five to four decision you say? "I am with Alito, Roberts, Scalia, and Thomas on this one" you say? Not so fast Floyd Turbo. Forming the majority were (gasp) Ginsburg, Scalia, Souter, Stevens, and Thomas.

    So, step out of line Jack, you gotta take your mind back. Where do you stand on the decision, with Roberts and Alito, or with Scalia and his shadow Thomas?

    Here are a few hints as to how to make your decision if you threw away your thinking cap when you became a Ditto Head, and have n-o-o-o idea as to where to find it. Roberts and Alito were both nominated by W. Since he never made a mistake it might be best to go with how those two voted. Further, since Thomas always apes Scalia maybe they should only have one vote which also could swing your decision to Alito-Roberts. Finally, on that side of the argument Thomas is an African American (sorry I know you prefer another adjective) and there aren't many of those that are very smart in the eyes of right wing hard liners. On the other hand, Scalia is real chummy with Dick ("I'll shoot your eye out") Cheney. They are real men, and hunt together. Also you have to give it up to Thomas, he has always been pure in his votes up to now.Its enough to make your head hurt ain't it?

    Anyway I look forward to reading where you stand on the issue. On second thought, it may be easier to just wait to hear what Rush says, and then give your opinion.http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/21/AR2009042102125.html?hpid=topnews

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Apr 22, 2009, at 12:28 AM
  • -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Apr 22, 2009, at 12:31 AM
  • Sometimes an eye for an eye really seems the best punishment. Wouldn't it be great if the clueless dog owners could be punished by having to be put on the dog's chain, and have to stand there all day with a BEWARE BAD OWNER sign beside them.

    I am only half kidding about this one, unlike my last post. By the way I am sorry that I interrupted a good stream of posts with my attempt at humor. Anyway, back on track now.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Apr 22, 2009, at 12:52 AM
  • aikman8, unfortunately it is a common misconception that our shelter is "non-kill". It is my understanding that animals are euthanized only as a last resort, but they do euthanize, especially when the shelter becomes overcrowded. We can all help out, though, by fostering an animal in our home until it can be placed.

    -- Posted by born-n-raised on Wed, Apr 22, 2009, at 7:40 AM
  • aikman8,

    Is the no kill shelter you are talking about the Marshall Animal Shelter? I took an 8 month old purebred yellow lab there last summer. Our families busy lifestyle didn't allow us to spend enough time with it and he entertained himself digging holes in our back yard. I asked the shelter if they could find him a home in the country. The lady in uniform told me they were full and to load him into the back of her pick-up. She said the only choice was to take him out to the country and put him down. I promptly loaded him back into my van and took him home!!!

    I also drive by and see this dog on a regular basis. I think it is sad for any animal to live chained to a tree with limited space and mobility. There is very little room to move about, no grass, and I seldom see human interaction. It does have shelter, hay, shade, a water bowl, and food. Which seems to be the minimal requirements necessary for the Marshall Animal Shelter.

    -- Posted by bj on Wed, Apr 22, 2009, at 3:21 PM
  • bj ...

    first of all, i've been in the local shelter a couple times and never seen anyone in "uniform". perhaps you're talking about the local pet control officer or someone else in authority. the people i've seen there before are just like you and me ... no uniforms.

    second of all ... if that's the case, someone told you the only option was to take the dog out to the country and put it down, i find it hard to believe someone in that position would say that, but if they did, in a volunteer or official position, they should be gone immediately from the animal shelter.

    what's the animal shelter's response to this?

    -- Posted by aikman8 on Wed, Apr 22, 2009, at 11:16 PM
  • word is the local high school has hired a new basketball coach for it's men's team ... where's the news on this?

    -- Posted by aikman8 on Wed, Apr 22, 2009, at 11:50 PM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
  • About someone in uniform at the Shelter telling someone to load their dog up and it being taken to the country to be put down just doesn't sound like the animal control officer I had to deal with. When I talked to her about putting my dog down I caught hell from her about that. From what I've seen she's more of an animal lover than anything else, and wouldn't put one down unless it had to be for some extraordinary reason. Also if it was that important and it was my dog then I'd be heading in to talk with the police chief about it

    Parachic, as far as the nuisance officer, it sounds like he calls in more dogs running loose than he does catching them. What I don't understand is, if he sees them, can't he catch and hold on to them until the animal control officer gets there instead of just telling her about them and they continuing to run loose?

    -- Posted by BlackBird on Thu, Apr 23, 2009, at 9:25 AM
  • What is Marshall's leash law? I have had several incidents when walking my dog and another dog has either come out running viciously toward us with no owners are around, or we are followed by another dog?

    -- Posted by snoozes on Thu, Apr 23, 2009, at 10:43 AM
  • All I can attest to is my own personal experience with the animal shelter. I went to the shelter for assistance finding a loving home for my dog. I left feeling mortified at their suggestion. Hard to believe or not!

    -- Posted by bj on Thu, Apr 23, 2009, at 12:39 PM
  • isn't this like report animal abuse month? sounds like a job fot the MDN to cover a story on this. maybe do a drive by and take pics of some of these poor gentle souls that are to be chained up out in the sun which even today will be hot for them. need to get the facts about the shelter made public for those who forget what the animal league is all about. those folks do a very hard job takin in "pets" someone decides "oh i just don't have them time they deserve so take this dog off my hards and out of my way" when actually you don't deserve THEM!!!!! sorry ...pet peeve with me...pun intended.

    -- Posted by marshallite on Thu, Apr 23, 2009, at 1:06 PM
  • I am sad to say that we seem to be seeing more dogs in the country with that lost look--someone has dumped them!! They in turn get in trouble by chasing cattle or growling at you when you come out your door--needless to say--they must be destroyed--I might add that it is obvious some have had collars on and they have been removed before dumping and some are very old dogs--what a way to be disposed of--glad I'm not a dog!! Would like to find their owners so the dogs could dump them somewhere with no food or shelter!!

    -- Posted by farmerwife on Thu, Apr 23, 2009, at 1:06 PM
  • Dear Editor,

    Is there a reason that text and links can not be pasted in comments? Is this something new?

    -- Posted by Third Child on Thu, Apr 23, 2009, at 1:59 PM
  • Dear Editor,

    Please pardon my previous comment as it looks like a problem with my computer. Too much stuff running..

    -- Posted by Third Child on Thu, Apr 23, 2009, at 2:19 PM
  • One thing that would keep the shelters from being over populated would be for people to have their dogs spayed or neutered. There are plenty of dogs/puppies that need homes without bringing more into the world that cannot be taken care of.

    Just a thought :)

    -- Posted by tommob on Thu, Apr 23, 2009, at 2:53 PM
  • farmers wife,

    You are right about more and more dogs being dumped in the country. I just hate to see them suffer - I know they are hungry and I want to feed them, but I know if I do I'll have another dog to feed...I can't afford to feed them all. It breaks my heart when I see a dog looking lost and hungry! When someone takes a dog to the country and dumps it - it just become someone else's problem.

    Another thing I hate is when someone takes their dog (especially a dark colored dog or one with lots of hair) in the back of their pickup truck and parks it at the bank and goes in to do business and leaves the dog with no shelter from the sun for long periods of time. They just bake in the sun, panting and panting...I think it's cruel. And since we are heading into the summer months...I would just like to remind people please, please, please, don't go to the store and leave your dog in the car to broil! If you love your pet leave them at home...not in the car.

    -- Posted by Typesetter on Thu, Apr 23, 2009, at 3:11 PM
  • Smokin' Cheetah - the problem is most ppl don't take into consideration how much work a dog really is. And they don't learn specifically about the breed they are picking out.

    Dogs are wonderful, loyal, trustworthy and provide fantastic companionship. BUT. They need training, food, water, exercise, companionship. And not in that order. I don't think that all of those things go through a person's mind when making the split decision to get that cute puppy they see. Then when the dog isn't what they wanted or had in mind they dump it??

    I personally wouldn't move or can't think of a single circumstance that would entail me giving my dogs up. I wouldn't let it happen.

    And on the flip side. What about those little dogs that have been so humanized they don't know who they are. They control their household and all that enter?

    -- Posted by Injesstice on Thu, Apr 23, 2009, at 4:38 PM
  • sorry you think my views on animals being thrown out like garbage is ignorant. then YOU compare unwanted children in the same light...well lets just say I don't feel like the ignorant one here...how rude!!

    -- Posted by marshallite on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 1:18 AM
  • The people who dumps animals must not ever spell the word "DOG" backwards.

    -- Posted by flinstones on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 2:06 AM
  • To change the subject-- I would LOVE to hear the personal stories of the local veterans that went on the honor flight or any others-- could the paper possible do a weekly chronicle of them thru the year-- not just for the holiday's -- I think so much of our patriotism and history is lost when these wonderful local men and women pass-- just thought this would be a great local interest story to keep going

    -- Posted by workingmom on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 9:47 AM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    Excellent idea!
  • On the way to work this morning I saw two MPD officers changing a tire for a family on the highway out by the bowling alley. Great Job guys, I'm sure they really appreciated the help.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 3:55 PM
  • White House Economic Council Director Larry Summers was asleep at the wheel when the President held a crucial meeting. Too bad he didn't fall asleep on Bill Clinton instead of urging bad deregulation that Clinton agreed to.


    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Apr 25, 2009, at 11:55 PM
  • OKR, do you watch Frontline on PBS?

    -- Posted by Slater on Sun, Apr 26, 2009, at 12:47 AM
  • I need to join an organization. Does anyone know of any, and know how to join? Please help!

    -- Posted by moving soon on Sun, Apr 26, 2009, at 11:17 AM
  • Moving Soon, since you seem determined to join an organization, I suggest this one which has a useful purpose for its existence:


    -- Posted by Slater on Sun, Apr 26, 2009, at 12:31 PM
  • Could someone tell me what happened at Wood & Huston bank today? I heard that a baby was left there.

    -- Posted by take5 on Mon, Apr 27, 2009, at 4:07 PM
  • Slater I watch Frontline often, not always, it depends on what is going on with family and friends. PBS as a whole is by far the network I most watch.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Apr 27, 2009, at 10:23 PM
  • I watched part of last week's episode, Poisoned Waters, and was both intrigued and alarmed by the report, intrigued from a clinical standpoint by the mutations occurring in aquatic life, and alarmed by the scope of the problem.

    A few years ago I read that the area in the Gulf of Mexico which surrounds the point where the Mississippi River empties into it is devoid of animal life over a 2500-square-mile area. In the last year I read that the size of that dead zone has now increased to 6000 square miles and it's due to the fertilizers and pesticides used in agriculture.

    At the rate we're going, humans are fast becoming their own worst enemy.

    -- Posted by Slater on Mon, Apr 27, 2009, at 11:46 PM
  • Here is another think for yourself question for Conservatives. Do you support Dick Cheney's position on torture......or do you support Ronald Reagan's position......or do you go ask Rush?


    The tag will take you to a sight that will explain President Reagan's position which is closer to Obama's than to Cheney's.

    You guys have got to get a handle on how far Bush/Cheney have led you astray from traditional conservative values. You might even want to go back and read "the Conscience of a Conservative".

    It is by some forgotten old guy named Goldwater.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Apr 27, 2009, at 11:51 PM
  • Slater I did not see that program, but I am aware of that problem from my reading.

    Seems to me that we all (humanity) don't mature much beyond age three. On that issue we are like the little ones in a warm kiddie pool on a cool day. "Gee, I shouldn't do that here, but the water is s-o-o-o warm, a-a-a-h. Too bad we don't have diapers that will stop the crap of adults. Mother Earth can't watch us all the time, but she can darn sure punish us when she finds out.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Apr 28, 2009, at 12:12 AM
  • A warning to all you Liberals out there, don't get sucked in by "the Huffington Post". They have bent over for the Corporatocracy. At the moment they are pushing the swine flu panic as if they were Fox, or MSNBC, or CNN. They are caught in the same trap as those three. Desperate to increase their audience so they can increase their advertising revenue they are beginning to eschew provocative multiple story lines, or at least back page them. I am concerned that they are going hell bent for mass appeal. Left or right, ya gotta know what is driving the content.

    Fair and balanced.


    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Apr 28, 2009, at 12:36 AM
  • I think we can safely rename this the "Oklahoma Reader Speaks Out" forum now.

    -- Posted by hunterfisher on Tue, Apr 28, 2009, at 6:21 AM
  • I will happily subscribe to the "Oklahoma Reader Speaks Out" forum. Sometimes Oklahoma is the only one on here who makes any sense.

    -- Posted by born-n-raised on Tue, Apr 28, 2009, at 7:23 AM
  • Oklahoma Reader has alot to say, maybe he should ask Eric for his own blog page.

    -- Posted by snoozes on Tue, Apr 28, 2009, at 8:22 AM
  • AMEN or his own paper

    -- Posted by GOCHIEFS on Tue, Apr 28, 2009, at 11:29 AM
  • "I will happily subscribe to the "Oklahoma Reader Speaks Out" forum. Sometimes Oklahoma is the only one on here who makes any sense."

    I would agree.

    -- Posted by Third Child on Tue, Apr 28, 2009, at 11:37 AM
  • If Oklahoma Reader doesn't want to do a blog or perhaps in addition to, a "Speak Out" blog could be created where discussions could be catagarized to some extent instead of just being jumbled together as they are in this forum. There has to be a better way..

    -- Posted by Third Child on Tue, Apr 28, 2009, at 11:45 AM
  • Born-n-raised, I was thinking you were the only one on here worth reading! In my opinion your comments are the most insightful and accurate. I always wait to hear what you have to say on topics. (I like Okalahoma and Slater too!)

    -- Posted by gunpowder&lead on Tue, Apr 28, 2009, at 11:57 AM
  • gunpowderandlead, with that moniker, I have to say I'm glad we share similar opinions! Thanks for the kudos. I'll be looking forward to reading your posts in the future.

    -- Posted by born-n-raised on Tue, Apr 28, 2009, at 1:18 PM
  • Well....thanks for the compliments, they are truly gratifying.

    Some of you believe that I can not contain myself, and am constantly peppering this blog with my comments. I will be the first to admit that I enjoy writing. However, I do lay off from time to time to give you a break. One recent example is that I posted on Thursday, April 16th, and did not post again until Wednesday, April 22nd, a break of nearly a week. Looking back I find that there are many such breaks between my posts, some longer than the most recent one which I cited. I also noticed that there are others who post more frequently, and others whose postings are longer.

    Among my reasons for choosing this site to post my musings is that I enjoy the broad cross section of opinion that appears here. I could post at sites where my opinions are quite similar to others. I find no challenge, nor interest in that. An opinion that can not stand up to criticism is not one to cling to. Critiques of my posts have made me dig deeper into my own thought processes, and hopefully made me a wiser person.

    I enjoy the blunt comments of GoChiefs, the wit of YeeHaw, the profundity of NanaDot,the sometimes out of the box comments of Smokin Cheetah, the frank concern and compassion of Notgivinasht( ironic name you chose girl), also Bornnraised, Thirdchild, AFW, and others I have mentioned in the past.

    I would be remiss if I did not mention the authors of the blogs who engage my mind, and help me remember my past in those environs. I choose to not ask permission to author a blog myself for several reasons. Among those reasons is that it is in my nature to stand back and observe. I am a shy person, and would not be comfortable with my ugly old mug plastered on a blog. I still have family all over the place up there, and I would not want to embarrass them with my radical thoughts. In no way would I choose to put them in the uncomfortable position of feeling a familial urge to defend me, even though they did not agree with the statement that provoked their urge. They are much more conservative than their crazy old relative. Therefore I choose to remain anonymous.

    One last thing on that. It has nothing to do with not having the courage to publically display my convictions. For instance I have stood front and center down here on many occasions over the years. I thought the Iraq War was wrong before it had started. I walked in the miniscule peace walks prior to the war here in this most conservative of states. I publically read my poetry against the war at that time. There have been many occasions that I have publically supported unpopular causes because it was the right thing for me to do.

    Most of all I enjoy being engaged in the community where I spent my youth. This post has gotten much longer than I intended. I beg your forgiveness.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Apr 28, 2009, at 4:50 PM
  • "An opinion that can not stand up to criticism is not one to cling to."

    That's not the way the game is played these days.

    No criticism allowed when it comes to global control/tax on breathing..


    -- Posted by Third Child on Tue, Apr 28, 2009, at 6:10 PM
  • Gunpowder, I'm pleased that you like what I have to say some of the time. I imagine you're about the only one. :)

    I've concluded from your user name that you enjoy cap and ball firearms or something similar. My father-in-law had a room full of antique rifles and pistols, and now that he's gone his son has them.

    Among the bunch were two Colt pistols, one of which was I believe an 1836 Pocket Pistol, and a Navy 1851 .36 caliber revolver. That little pocket pistol had a perfect balance and fit my hand like a glove.

    I never shot any of them and don't really know much at all about the old firearms, but I'm sure they're a lot of fun.

    The guns I had were all contemporary by comparison - a Winchester 12 gauge shotgun, a Marlin 3-shot lever action .410 shotgun, a Remington .22 rifle, and a .22 magnum revolver on a Smith & Wesson frame. I used to take the pistol down to the river near Glasgow and shoot at snakes (the reptiles were pretty safe). :)

    -- Posted by Slater on Tue, Apr 28, 2009, at 7:42 PM
  • Yes, ladies and gentlemen, laughter is the best medicine, as is stated in the Reader's Digest. Here is a parody of Timothy Geithner that should give you a chuckle:


    -- Posted by Slater on Tue, Apr 28, 2009, at 9:35 PM
  • http://climateprogress.org/2008/07/18/american-physical-society-reaffirms-it-is-...

    Third Child I went to the site that you highlighted. I found Christopher Monckton to be an interesting character. However I was troubled by some of his associations. I was also troubled that there was no peer review of his statements. As I am not a scientist I thought the best I could personally do would be to search the web.

    My personal opinion at this point is that Lord Monckton may be a bit of a crackpot, and as he has not submitted to peer review is somewhat lacking in credibility. Most of his support seems to come from lay members of the far right, not scientists. They have touted the journal where his work has appeared, conveniently omitting that it was not subjected to peer review. I invite you to explore the tag I have provided with this post.

    Fair and balanced.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Apr 28, 2009, at 10:37 PM
  • A last word..tonight (yes I faintly hear the chorus of hallelujah in the back ground).

    Another reason that I like this blog so much is that quite often you can find both sides of an issue logically presented with no shouting each other down, with no host cutting people off. Case in point: this last exchange between me and Third Child. With the assistance of the sites we pointed to you can truly get both sides. That is if anyone other than me and Third Child care to explore the issue.

    Thank you Third Child for raising the issue. It should be discussed.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Apr 28, 2009, at 10:58 PM
  • Funny Slater. Good night Mrs. Calabash wherever you are.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Apr 28, 2009, at 11:04 PM
  • "looks like 'climate depot' is funded mostly by Exxon and Chevron"

    Looks like chump change compared to the $50 billion invested in 'proving' AGW so that every person can be taxed for exhaling CO2. CO2 has been as high as 14 times the amount Al Gore would like you to believe is 'normal.' Rising CO2 appears to follow rising temps by 800 years instead of preceeding it. I think it's a bit naive to think that we could tweak planetary CO2 with draconian tax and cap schemes that enrich and empower the Al Gores of the world. We've got a lot of things that need fixing a lot worse than a few points of CO2. One burp of a volcano and all the sacrifice would be wasted anyway..



    -- Posted by Third Child on Wed, Apr 29, 2009, at 1:09 AM
  • Breaking news:

    Level 5 civil emergency alert declared

    They have essentially declared martial law.

    Forced vaccinations, quarantines.. what else?

    The Mexican flu death toll numbers now reduced to SEVEN? One here?

    -- Posted by Third Child on Wed, Apr 29, 2009, at 4:02 PM
  • "29 April 2009 -- The situation continues to evolve rapidly. As of 18:00 GMT, 29 April 2009, nine countries have officially reported 148 cases of swine influenza A/H1N1 infection. The United States Government has reported 91 laboratory confirmed human cases, with one death. Mexico has reported 26 confirmed human cases of infection including seven deaths."

    WHO: Swine Influenza http://www.who.int/csr/don/2009_04_29/en/index.html

    -- Posted by speedfingers on Wed, Apr 29, 2009, at 4:17 PM
  • The World Health Organization website says: "At this stage, effective and essential measures include heightened surveillance, early detection and treatment of cases, and infection control in all health facilities."

    Doesn't mention martial law or forced vaccinations (a vaccine hasn't been developed yet for this particular flu strain).

    Third Child:

    Do you have a source for your claims? Are you suggesting quarantines are a bad idea in attempting to contain a pandemic?

    -- Posted by Eric Crump on Wed, Apr 29, 2009, at 4:40 PM
  • Dear Tamaflu Shareholders and Investors,

    '2008 sales loss but 2009 looks good'


    -- Posted by Third Child on Wed, Apr 29, 2009, at 5:37 PM
  • Third Child: The most recent link you posted is invalid.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Wed, Apr 29, 2009, at 5:46 PM
  • Google "Tamiflu Shareholders"

    Corrected link


    -- Posted by Third Child on Wed, Apr 29, 2009, at 6:12 PM
  • Third Child: Let's at least get our facts straight. Hoffman LaRoche (Roche) manufactures Tamiflu. Stock in Chugai is principally owned by Hoffman LaRoche (59.9% of the shares). If not many people get the flu, it's not surprising that sales of Tamiflu logically would drop. Are you suggesting that Roche is involved in spreading the virus to boost its profits?

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Wed, Apr 29, 2009, at 6:42 PM
  • My comment is that it was very prescient of Chugai to predict an upturn in profits.

    I hear Baxter is doing well also.

    -- Posted by Third Child on Wed, Apr 29, 2009, at 7:30 PM
  • Novavax Inc.

    Creating Tomorrow's Vaccines Today - http://www.novavax.com/


    as of April 29 2009

    1 Month 202.13%

    6 Month 46.39%

    YTD 50.26%

    1 Year 18.83%

    3 Year -47.60%

    5 Year -44.96%

    -- Posted by Third Child on Wed, Apr 29, 2009, at 8:23 PM
  • -- Posted by Third Child on Thu, Apr 30, 2009, at 8:43 AM
  • -- Posted by Third Child on Thu, Apr 30, 2009, at 1:51 PM
  • I am very concerned about the House moving forward on the abolisment of state taxes and adding a state sales taxes. "They say" some things that are excluded now would be included in the sales tax and some things would be exempt. I believe we should be told just exactly what is to be taxed and what is exempt before we are asked to consider this new form of taxes. I can see it including everyone, but still want to know what will be taxed before making a decision. Anyone else interested???

    -- Posted by farmerwife on Thu, Apr 30, 2009, at 4:50 PM
  • Here's one version of the bill under consideration, from the legislature's Web site:


    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Thu, Apr 30, 2009, at 5:31 PM
  • And here's an excerpt from the bill, regarding what's to be taxed:

    "For all tax years beginning on or after January 1, 2012, no tax shall be imposed upon any income derived from any source within this state, and all revenues lost as a result of the prohibition on the taxation of income under this section shall be replaced by the levy and imposition of a tax upon all sales, use, or consumption of all new tangible personal property, rental property or taxable services in this state, except for such property sold to the federal government or purchased to be a component part or ingredient of the new tangible personal property to be sold at retail. No tax shall be imposed under this section on any taxable property or service purchased for a business purpose in a trade or business, including agriculture, or purchased for an investment purpose and held exclusively for an investment purpose."

    The proposed rate, according to this version of the bill, is "five and eleven one-hundredths percent."

    New tangible personal property includes a new car, for example, but not a used car.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Thu, Apr 30, 2009, at 5:37 PM
  • "A 'yes' vote will amend the Constitution of the State of Missouri to eliminate individual and corporate income tax, and state sales and use tax and to enact a single, revenue-neutral sales tax of five and eleven one-hundredths percent on new purchases of goods and services, and to exempt property purchased for business or investment from the sales tax"

    Corporations would now be tax free and the burden would be shifted to the grocery buying public.

    When taxation was first proposed and enacted it was just the opposite. Businesses paid tax and individuals didn't. .

    Sen. Dick Durbin, just admitted that bankers "own" congress. I'm shocked.


    -- Posted by Third Child on Thu, Apr 30, 2009, at 10:22 PM
  • In my opinion this is another antipopulist con job by the corporatocracy. It will result in a tax increase for hard working moderate income earners and a tax reduction for the well to do.

    Enough already!

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Apr 30, 2009, at 10:46 PM
  • I've lived in three different states that don't have a personal income tax. Seems to work pretty well. Didn't see any corporatotic monsters looming about.

    -- Posted by broke-n-busted on Fri, May 1, 2009, at 7:54 AM
  • Politics, Profits & Pandemic Fear Mongering


    -- Posted by Third Child on Fri, May 1, 2009, at 7:07 PM
  • I agree with you Cosa Nostra. In the last few years we were all going to die from West Nile, SARS, and Avian Flu. I never have personally known one person that has been afflicted with any of these diseases. This is a media created frenzy.

    Oh, and YeeHaw, it was W that signed off on the first corporate bailout. You must be wasting away if you've been vomiting since October. Best wishes for a speedy recovery!

    -- Posted by born-n-raised on Fri, May 1, 2009, at 8:59 PM
  • V.P. Biden must own stock in a drug company somewhere because he certainly added fuel to the frenzy. Pres. Obama should put a sock in Joe's mouth.

    -- Posted by Air Force Wife on Fri, May 1, 2009, at 11:02 PM
  • AFW, Biden DOES own stock in a pharmaceutical company - he's a major stockholder in (s)Merck.

    -- Posted by Slater on Fri, May 1, 2009, at 11:32 PM
  • How about this for a simple solution to the economic woes? This is from the St. Petersburg, FL newspaper:

    Dear Mr. President:

    Please find below my suggestion for fixing America 's economy.

    Instead of giving billions of dollars to companies that will squander

    The money on lavish parties and unearned bonuses, use the following plan.

    You can call it the Patriotic Retirement Plan:

    There are about 40 million people over 50 in the work force.

    Pay them $1 million apiece severance for early retirement with the

    following stipulations:

    1) They MUST retire. Forty million job openings - Unemployment fixed.

    2) They MUST buy a new American CAR. Forty million cars ordered - Auto

    Industry fixed.

    3) They MUST either buy a house or pay off their mortgage - Housing

    Crisis fixed.

    It can't get any easier than that!

    If more money is needed, have all members of Congress and their

    constituents pay their taxes...

    -- Posted by Slater on Fri, May 1, 2009, at 11:40 PM
  • There is one thing that I think everyone should do and that is to call the virus the H1N1 virus. It doesn't do any good to ag economics to refer to the virus as anything but H1N1. We Americans, Media too are so lazy we won't learn proper names.

    Pigs don't get the disease. I saw a segment on RFD-TV that stated there have been no (world wide) infections of pigs with the virus. Russia & China have halted shipments of pork from North America because of the H1N1. I don't know about you but my last pork chop did snease on me then so I don't think we need to worry. Lets insist that the media call this flu by its correct name H1N1.

    -- Posted by salinemg on Sat, May 2, 2009, at 11:07 PM
  • "Exposing The H1N1 Hoax"

    And a phone call to Barack Obama, part 6/6 of special May 2 broadcast.


    -- Posted by Third Child on Sun, May 3, 2009, at 12:16 PM
  • Slater:

    I like your way of thinking! That plan of yours is the best plan have seen to date. You should run for office, I would support your platform.

    -- Posted by litlmissme on Sun, May 3, 2009, at 1:41 PM
  • Our President supports an international treaty to take away our guns. Maybe we could get a poll to see what people of Saline county think about this?


    -- Posted by Third Child on Sun, May 3, 2009, at 8:07 PM
  • Today, May 3rd, 2009 is Pete Seeger's 90th birthday. A few of my fellow Reds, Pinkos, Commies, traitors, lunatics, subversives, hippies, and deviants may wish to take two minutes to reflect upon this grand old man by listening to one of his essential messages.


    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, May 3, 2009, at 11:10 PM
  • The preceding song was the original short version written by Seeger, here is a version that he performed at age seventy four.

    It is also worth reflection that our brothers and sisters are still dying in the ill concieved, no criminally concieved, Iraq war. April 2009 left us with the highest death toll in many months. You say you hadn't heard that? When will we ever learn.


    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, May 3, 2009, at 11:32 PM
  • Litlmissme,

    I do appreciate your offer of support, but as I said in my opening remark, the plan came from the St. Petersburg, FL newspaper, no doubt posted by a clear-thinking person.

    When I read it, I thought about our legislators and how they seem to want all of us to believe their job is so infinitely difficult that common sense has no place in their actions. The tax code - all 66,000+ pages of it - is a prime example.

    Let's hope that the voting public finally comes to its senses and begins electing people who are unselfish enough to do the things that make at least some sense to all of us.

    -- Posted by Slater on Mon, May 4, 2009, at 11:23 AM
  • OKR and Cheetah

    OKR, thanks for the reminder and links. I know a few people who would apply most of your labels to me, and all I've ever said in response was, Thank you! :)

    Cheetah, we seem to have a similar belief that the population is made up of "haves" and "have nots," and that a percentage of the so-called "haves" mistakenly perceive themselves to be superior, or somehow special, entitling them to behave in a manner that others possessing compassion and understanding would denounce.

    As much as I dislike saying it, I'm glad I won't be one of the old people in this country 50 years from now.

    -- Posted by Slater on Mon, May 4, 2009, at 11:50 AM
  • MADRID/GENEVA (Reuters) -- The World Health Organization is likely to raise its flu alert to the top of its six-point scale and declare a pandemic, its director-general indicated in an interview published on Monday.


    So we have surrendered authority to the World Health Organization. They are ready to declare full blown pandemic emergency. People are being quarantined and from day one, closing the Mexican border was ruled out as unnecessary..

    Take heart America because Baxter pharmaceutical, who was just caught shipping a bunch of deadly live virus jolly on the job brewing up a brand new batch of virus for us all, young and old.. line up for your shots, says the soldier.. it's for your own good.. it's the law of the UN.. we're just following orders..

    -- Posted by Third Child on Mon, May 4, 2009, at 4:15 PM
  • This commentary from TIME Magazine is a little more balanced, a lot less hysterical, than many stories about H1N1 flu. Be sure to read it all.


    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Mon, May 4, 2009, at 6:39 PM
  • The flu level set by the World Health Organization is determined by geography, not the severity of the illness. The various levels represent factors such as number of countries affected, proximity to each other, and distance from each other. A level six merely means that this new strain of flu has been found in countries all throughout the World Health Organizations system of zones. It does not represent the severity of the illness.

    While it now seems like a lot of hype, we have to be on guard any time a new strain of flu is discovered. The biggest threat from a new strain is that no one has a built up immunity to it. Plus, when this new strain became known, it was affecting groups of people considered healthy and not normally at serious risk from the flu like the elderly and the very young. A new strain could very well be detrimental. We are just lucky that so far none have been. Unfortunately, the day could come when we could see a new killer strain of flu like the Spanish flu was, and we all will be thinking, "they're crying wolf again".

    -- Posted by Reader101 on Mon, May 4, 2009, at 9:25 PM
  • "Political Lies and Media Disinformation regarding the Swine Flu Pandemic"

    by Michel Chossudovsky


    The CDC and WHO are responsible for the hype and disinformation, the media dutifully fanned that into hysteria and a psyop against the public was successfully pulled off. A global power play was advanced and big pharma is smiling like the Cheshire cat..

    -- Posted by Third Child on Tue, May 5, 2009, at 12:19 AM
  • I found this to be an interesting read about swine flu.


    -- Posted by snoozes on Tue, May 5, 2009, at 7:29 AM
  • The red pill

    "I do not pretend that birth control is the only way in which population can be kept from increasing... War... has hitherto been disappointing in this respect, but perhaps bacteriological war may prove more effective. If a Black Death could be spread throughout the world once in every generation survivors could procreate freely without making the world too full... The state of affairs might be somewhat unpleasant, but what of that? Really high-minded people are indifferent to happiness, especially other people's... There are three ways of securing a society that shall be stable as regards population. The first is that of birth control, the second that of infanticide or really destructive wars, and the third that of general misery except for a powerful minority..."

    - Bertrand Russell, THE IMPACT OF SCIENCE ON SOCIETY 1953


    -- Posted by Third Child on Tue, May 5, 2009, at 12:02 PM
  • Perhaps those 3 kids recently arrested suffered from the swine flu. That's the only reason why these good kids would have made a mistake like this. Oh, wait, maybe we as "society" are suffering from some sort of flu where we are not disciplining our kids like we used to. Hmmm much to think about we have. Disturbing shift in the force I feel.

    -- Posted by Greg House on Tue, May 5, 2009, at 9:28 PM
  • Hi! I am trying to find someone that does TV repairs my tv went out and I would like to get it fixed. So if anyone knows please let me know.

    -- Posted by nanaof5 on Wed, May 6, 2009, at 2:30 AM
  • I was just wondering why there hasn't been anything in the paper regarding all the changes happening at the Marshall Habilitation Center. The state is in process of changing the entire way the place is ran and it will impact the community in a HUGE way! It has recently been told that the full time doctors that work on site there will no longer have a job as state employees as of Dec this year. How do these people expect the doctors in the community to absorb these patients into their already huge caseloads? How do they think that the people with special needs can endure the (at times) extremely long waits in the waiting room? The people making these decisions need to educate themselves on the people who are served at MHC and start thinking about what is best for them.

    -- Posted by kkmom on Wed, May 6, 2009, at 7:01 AM
  • PBS tonight - Secrets of the Dead: Dogfight over Guadalcanal

    Program Description

    In the summer of 1942, two ace fighter pilots -- one American and one Japanese -- faced off during a dramatic dogfight in the skies over Guadalcanal. Eventually the Japanese pilot shot down the American, who crash landed behind enemy lines but managed to escape before being captured. Using both pilots' comprehensive (but sometimes contradictory) memoirs, and following a forensic expedition to the recently-found American plane, "Dogfight Over Guadalcanal" examines and recreates every anxious second of the WWII showdown over the Pacific, revealing just how evenly matched the two men were and how they both survived, despite serious injuries.

    -- Posted by Slater on Wed, May 6, 2009, at 12:30 PM
  • kkmom...your points about MHC are valid and correct, but look for the situation to get worse rather than better. You can bet that once the state comes up with a least costly alternative, the place will be vacant....and I doubt neither Mr. Stouffer or Mr. Aull has the clout to prevent it.

    -- Posted by outsider on Wed, May 6, 2009, at 1:11 PM
  • Here's an interesting local fact.

    On this date 55 years ago Marshall's former racetrack held it's first race. May 6th, 1954, Sportsmans Speedway opened it's gates. 1,100 fans attended the race the race that night.

    See more of Marshall's former race track at:


    -- Posted by Sportsmans Speedway Marshall on Wed, May 6, 2009, at 2:05 PM
  • In regard to MHC-any bet that the state will get rid of the doctors, then contract that service out to some company who will charge twice the amount for the same service? After all, isn't the government running that place?

    -- Posted by BlackBird on Wed, May 6, 2009, at 3:38 PM
  • Patriot Act used against teenagers

    "This isn't America -- not the America I knew, the one I grew up in. This is like something out of a Third World dictatorship where the people in power just do whatever they want to anybody they choose. I want my son back, and I'll do anything I can to free him. But people need to know that if this isn't stopped now, any of us at anytime can be treated the same way. The next time it will be your house they visit in the middle of the night, and your children they take away."


    -- Posted by Third Child on Wed, May 6, 2009, at 4:30 PM
  • what's your definition of "a few years" nanadot? because last time i checked, we've been kept pretty safe by the last eight years of presidential watch.

    -- Posted by aikman8 on Wed, May 6, 2009, at 7:43 PM
  • It looks like everyone that has broken the Law in the Bush Administration will walk as free as a bird ,with a slap on the wrest. It appears Obama has slowly been sucked into the folds of Washington. You can tell, he has lost something in every speech he makes! I myself could care less about all this Bailout , and Programs,and foreign policy, (UNTIL) ALL THE UNETHICAL, SLIMMY,LAW BREAKING THUGS ARE PROSECUTED! How can the People hold their heads high ,living in a Country were the Law only applies to the little guy? Its no wonder the world hates us, and i can see why! If Holder doesn't do his Job, Obama, holder and the rest of them should be Prosecuted for collusion in all this! What say you???

    -- Posted by Jo on Wed, May 6, 2009, at 9:59 PM
  • "As I recall, the so-called Patriot Act was first passed in 2001..."

    Yes. It was very convenient that this freedom robbing legislation was all ready to go immediately after 9-11 2001. It was pre written but Congress didn't actually have the time to read it. Congress passed it without discussion and the war on terror was off to the races. Who would have thought the PATRIOT Act would be used to churn teenagers through the same system used against middle east boogey men that are so evil that we noble Americans are forced to torture to get them to spill the beans?

    I wonder how long they will have to waterboard this 16 year old before he will admit that in fact, he, was the true mastermind behind 9-11?

    -- Posted by Third Child on Wed, May 6, 2009, at 10:06 PM
  • "If Holder doesn't do his Job, Obama, holder and the rest of them should be Prosecuted for collusion in all this! What say you???"

    I'm with you, Jo!

    -- Posted by Third Child on Wed, May 6, 2009, at 10:07 PM
  • Why is it, when you post a comment, some one censure out at least s Paragraft, or two? I know it sounds angry,but that's my intent! There was no foul language, other then, what these people really are. I had no idea everyone had such tender ears! or maybe you have the nazi,Bush mentality, and like to censure, or hide things ,what is it??

    -- Posted by Jo on Thu, May 7, 2009, at 2:08 PM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    Please note: We never edit messages. Acceptable messages stay. Unacceptable messages are deleted.
  • Jo: Please take a breath and relax. Your comment was not deleted or shortened. It's just farther down the page.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Thu, May 7, 2009, at 2:34 PM
  • Thank you for the response!

    -- Posted by Jo on Thu, May 7, 2009, at 6:14 PM
  • Eighteen thousand showed up at Madison Square Garden to celebrate Pete Seeger's nintieth birthday.

    Among those honoring him, and performing were Bruce Springsteen, John Mellencamp, and Dave Mathews.


    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, May 8, 2009, at 12:47 AM
  • Due to the unbalanced and outraging support by government for Wall Street, that is the very richest among us, populism is now blowing in the wind. Politicians, and commentators are always sniffing the wind, and those of all stripes have picked up the scent. We must be careful to note the differences between true Populists, and those hypocrites merely trying to sail its winds for personal advancement. They exist in both the liberal and conservative camps.

    Populism belongs to us, the outraged, the farmers, the workers, the teachers, the small business people. It belongs to all of us who are fed up with both major parties, and are ready to demand more. It is a movement that was significant in electing two Roosevelts as president, one from each party. It is not beholden to the Democrats, nor the Republicans, it is beholden to us, the people. On those occasions in history where it has thrown in with one party or the other it has often come to defeat of the aims of Populism, the peoples party.

    We are all Populists, many of us do not know it. I urge each of you who respect my opinion, and even those of you who do not to read the site I have tagged below. It is an inspiring look back at what populism has done for us all, and a road map as to how it can help us now. It gives us tips on how to spot pseudo-populists, which is important as the fakers move in to sabotage the movement. Most of all populism is a positive force that gives us hope, and boy do we ever need it now.


    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, May 8, 2009, at 1:40 AM
  • OR, there is a wonderful documentary about Pete Seeger that was released a couple of years ago called "Pete Seeger: The Power of Song". I highly recommend it to any fan of Seeger or the American folk movement as a whole.

    -- Posted by ydnasllew on Fri, May 8, 2009, at 7:54 AM
  • Breaking news:

    Dr. Alan Keyes, and about 30 protesters arrested for peacefully exercising their First Ammendment rights at Notre Dame.

    The Catholic school plans to honor our pro-abortion president, May 17 2009, and Dr. Keyes' actions are intended to expose the hypocrisy of the Catholic institution and the foreboding loss of everyone's First Ammendment rights.


    -- Posted by Third Child on Fri, May 8, 2009, at 1:44 PM
  • Great article , Okla. I know absolutely nothing about Politics and Organizing, but i've been trying to keep up, Learn a little more, since the Bush Administration! I was one of those who said, the politicians will do what they want, regardless of who you Vote for! But i think we as a a people, do have the power to change things if we stick together,and Educate our self about different ideology! knowing right right from wrong, i get! and there is a whole lot wrong! this article made a lot of sense. Thanks

    -- Posted by Jo on Fri, May 8, 2009, at 1:50 PM
  • Third child,

    Pro-choice doesn't mean pro-abortion in the inflammatory way that you characterize it. That being said I would be interested to know your position of gay marriage and our invasion of Iraq.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, May 8, 2009, at 2:14 PM
  • YeeHaw,

    No, I was not trolling nor was I talking to you. I wanted to know how thirdchild felt about the subject.

    I think it's obvious by your post who the troll is.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, May 8, 2009, at 5:46 PM
  • "Pro-choice doesn't mean pro-abortion in the inflammatory way that you characterize it. That being said I would be interested to know your position of gay marriage and our invasion of Iraq."

    The term 'choice' may make you feel better but it is playing name games just like calling homosexuals "gay." It doesn't change the actions being described. 'Choice' doesn't convey the fact that one person is choosing life or death for an innocent and defensless baby.

    True choice is for life. Abortion is more so, a decision.

    On the marriage question, I would ask, why would anyone need the state's permission to choose a mate? Two people want a commitment, then do it. So far, you don't need a license. Why mess with that?

    On the Iraq invasion, I was against it in 2002 and I haven't changed my mind since. The 'yellow cake' story was discredited within a week of it coming out but that didn't stop the war machine from using the lie to advance the WMD meme that many people still believe in today! We are truly a dumbed down people that the world has learned to despise.

    -- Posted by Third Child on Fri, May 8, 2009, at 7:06 PM
  • Andrew I have seen several documentaries regarding Seeger. Due to creeping senility I am no longer able to recall the names of them. I will keep my eye open for that one. Thank you for the tip.

    Jo thank you for the compliment. We older fellows must stay involved to set a good example for the younger ones. I guess that includes about every body these days. Ha.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, May 8, 2009, at 8:21 PM
  • OKReader: Maybe these will refresh your memory?

    "The Ballad of Pete Seeger" and "How Can I Keep from Singing?" are two radio documentaries and "The Power of Song" is a 2007 PBS documentary. I'll keep looking and see if I can find others.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Fri, May 8, 2009, at 9:36 PM
  • Thirdchild,

    Thank you for your response. My point about the title "pro-abortion" is that I don't think anyone who is pro choice takes the subject of abortion lightly. I neither condone nor condem and I think a woman should be offered every alternative but at the end of the day I think it should be her choice.

    As to why I asked about gay marriage and the war in Iraq.

    As far as "gay marriage" or the homesexual lifestyle I would think that true "pro-lifers" wouldn't be so quick to condem them because I am positve that gays and lesbians have much lower abortion rates then heterosexuals. Seriously.

    I am glad to hear your stance on the Iraq war because I have had too many conversations with people who are rabid pro-lifers yet they are perfectly fine with the deaths of thousands of innocent and defenseless Iraqi's. They seem to want it both ways and for them the sanctity of life only applies to the unborn.

    Thanks for your response and have a nice weekend.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, May 8, 2009, at 9:37 PM
  • Yee Haw,

    Your comments to me:

    "Related to your previous posts, I assume that not only do you promote the use of marijuana, but you also believe that the behaviors of mentally ill, homosexual dyads should be accepted/recognized by God. In addition, I assume that you believe 9/11 was an inside job; American citizens should be wearing fish heads as necklace pendants, placing flowers in rifles, loving thy neighbor, and getting stoned out of their minds."

    You call homosexuals metally ill. What does that say about you and your belief in God? The as yet to be proven,not a solitary shred of evidence phenominal fairy tale that created us in his image, homosexuals included. I bet the Easter Bunny would be a little more forgiving.

    No, I do not think 9/11 was an inside job. It was mostly Saudi's and Iraq had nothing to do with it even though our gov't tortured individuals to try to get them to provide a link to Iraq and justify this illegal war. I'll bet that makes you feel all warm and fuzzy doesn't it?

    I have no idea what you mean by wearing fish heads for a necklace so it makes me wonder what you have been smoking.

    Unfortunatley I am not surprised that you would have a problem with "loving thy neighbor". Isn't that a slap in the face to the whole "God" thing? I believe that "Love thy neighbor" is somewhere in the bible isn't it? It must get awful lonely sitting in judgement atop "Mount Hypocrisy"

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, May 8, 2009, at 9:54 PM
  • Third Child, you stated, "On the marriage question, I would ask, why would anyone need the state's permission to choose a mate? Two people want a commitment, then do it. So far, you don't need a license. Why mess with that?" Please let me respond.

    1st, my background. I grew up in Marshall area until late teens then join military in 1956 and haven't spent a lot of time there since, occassional visits. I've lived most of this time in San Francisco area, Northern Ca.

    Having had many friends and neighbors who are gay,(I'm not gay FYI), I know why they, the gays, need the state to sanction their marriage. I have seen couples in love and living together for many years destroyed when one is seriously injured or ill and the other one is not allowed to visit or make any decisions affecting their care. That person can't carry insurance at work for the other one.

    It is often left to a parent or relative who hasn't seen the injured party for many years and has no idea what would be best. Of course, most gay couples learned to get legal documents designating the other as their guardian but even that can be overridden by a zealous relative who couldn't do that to a spouse..

    I could cite many examples but just let me close this by saying, look at all the ways you or your spouse can choose to help the other that you couldn't do for your friend at church or little league. All the choices for medical treatment, joint ownership of assets, survivor benefits,tax benefits, etc.

    I'm almost 72 and an atheist, should I also not be allowed to get married? Obviously, not in a church but otherwise?

    -- Posted by White Tornado on Fri, May 8, 2009, at 10:12 PM
  • Here's a link to an event that is slowly fading into history:


    -- Posted by Slater on Sat, May 9, 2009, at 11:15 PM
  • Notgivn, the attitudes of Missouri resodemts during the mid-1800's have carried over to some extent. Although many Saline County residents don't fit your description, the central counties in the state (Saline, Boone, Howard, Lafayette) were pro-slavery at the time the Civil War started.

    Saline County, for example, had a population of less than 18,000, of which nearly 5,000 were slaves. The other counties I named also had a disproportionate number of slaves to the total population.

    Missouri was split in its sympathies, sending around 100,000 to the Union army and around 40,000 or so to the Confederate army.

    It would be interesting to measure attitudes and see how they compare today with the numbers compiled 160 years ago.

    -- Posted by Slater on Sat, May 9, 2009, at 11:46 PM
  • To all the mothers I wish each of you a very HAPPY DAY! :)

    -- Posted by Slater on Sun, May 10, 2009, at 11:23 AM
  • Congratualtions to White Tornado, you didn't like th area and moved, thats freedom! The US has it, and we exercise it!

    To Notgvnasht, I believe your'e sign in name tells pretty much your outlook. As a point of fact, being against homosexual marriage is not racist-descriminatory maybe.

    And to White Tornado and Notgvnasht, I agree, WE WILL NOT TOLERATE THE INTOLERATE! Oops? are we now the intolerate? anything said concerning homosexuality is considered homophobic, what about just being PRO-HETEROSEXUAL?

    As for being racist in Marshall, my wife and I are of different races, we are accepted fine, in fact one reason we stay here is because of some of the fundamental values Marshall has, and as for racism, just look at how many mixed couples are in this town, and mixed babies. We find it refreshing the openness people have for such relationships.

    We should also remember that we can be tolerate of different people and lifestyles, but we live in a county that until recently we had the freedom to criticize social issues without being branded. Today we call it a Hate Crime, just another way to muzzle the people into growing socialism.

    WE MUST NOT TOLERATE THE INTOLERATE !! Lets make everything okay and forget that there could be better choices and lifestyles, and THRIVE ON SELF-INDULGENCE...............I better go, the thought police are on their way.............

    -- Posted by ceymore on Sun, May 10, 2009, at 8:50 PM
  • ceymore what exactly are your feelings/beliefs? you seem to be bouncing all over the place there. riding the fence?

    -- Posted by aikman8 on Sun, May 10, 2009, at 8:55 PM
  • someone enlighten me ... who is pete seeger and why should i care?

    -- Posted by aikman8 on Sun, May 10, 2009, at 9:06 PM
  • Pete Seeger is an American folk singer and social activist. Just google his name and you'll find a wealth of material. He's not everyone's cup of tea, but he is someone of significance in this country, not only for his music, but for his political views.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Sun, May 10, 2009, at 9:09 PM
  • No fence riding here.

    Here's my politically incorrect views:

    1. Moher was a weiny, his views were the most politically correct.

    2. Abortion for birth control practices is wrong.

    3. Homosexuality is wrong.

    4. Steak without A-1 is wrong.

    5. Eisenhower removed over 10 million illegal immigrants after the war, us granting welfare, and various benefits is wrong.

    6. Forgetting that this country was founded on Christian Principals is wrong.

    7. Placing Native Americans on trash land, and slowing watching the genocide take place, is wrong.

    8. Expecting a gov't that can't balance a budget, to save our economy is wrong.

    9. Labeling a person with a different point of view as "phobic" or a "hater" is wrong.

    10. Thinking that if a person is white, worships the Lord Jesus Christ and believes in the Right to Bear Arms as a knuckle dragging biggot is wrong. It is them who helped build this country.

    Just some thoughts, done trolling?

    -- Posted by ceymore on Sun, May 10, 2009, at 9:28 PM
  • I keep posting and they keep deleting.

    Censorship lives!

    -- Posted by ceymore on Sun, May 10, 2009, at 9:36 PM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    The last comment of yours that was deleted was May 6. What comments are you referring to?
  • Never mind, time for bed!. I see my posts will probally disturb a great many people, hopefully you won't lose any sleep.

    Remember Marshall,I would fight for your right to be wrong, that's the price of democracy, but would you oh liberal individuals, think so highly of this right to defend my rights?

    -- Posted by ceymore on Sun, May 10, 2009, at 9:40 PM
  • ceymore I like the way you think

    -- Posted by Gal66 on Mon, May 11, 2009, at 8:32 AM
  • MDN staff: Please review my comments on Mr. Stewart's most recent opinion piece. I would like your thoughts on the matter.

    -- Posted by klop on Mon, May 11, 2009, at 10:01 AM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    I've responded to your comments here: www.marshallnews.com/story/1537192.html
  • Mr. Crump, sorry to be a bother, but you kind of avoided my question. I realize everyone is entitled to an opinion. I, as is made obvious by my posts, exercise that right as much as anyone. I think any post that is relevent to the topic being debated is inherently respectful, but once recommendations for therapy and comments about the actual person have been made, then a line has been crossed.

    So, once again I'll ask: Do believe its good for business, especially in this economic climate, to allow Stewart to make personal attacks on the readers. There is difference between attacking the opinions and attacking people. I'm asking if you can honestly say Stewart didn't cross a line.

    -- Posted by klop on Mon, May 11, 2009, at 10:44 AM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    My answer indirectly indicated that I'm not taking sides. You clearly believe a line has been crossed and have said so. That's why we offer readers the opportunity to make comments on stories and columns we publish.
  • In that case, your taking sides everytime a post is deleted. Is there not a standard of decency for those who choose to write on the discussion wall. I'm just wondering why a columnist is not held to similar standards. If I had the audacity to insinuate that one of your staff members needed psychiatric care, I believe, and rightly so, that the comment would be deleted. Wouldn't it?

    -- Posted by klop on Mon, May 11, 2009, at 11:00 AM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    Comments are deleted based on a judgment about whether the manner of expression is appropriate, not on the position taken by the writer. The column does not name anyone as needing psychiatric care but talks in general terms. In the past, I have deleted comments that question the intelligence or mental stability of specific individuals.
  • Mr. Klop

    I've re read Mr. Stewarts opinion. who did he single out?

    He's right about alot of stuff, no one was mentioned in particular, and if you take the time to read it, perhaps you'll see where he mentions that life experiences vary well shape our opinions.

    Mr. Klop, you seem to be the one who passed the judgement on Mr. Stewart.

    Who hurt you in the past, that now brings animosity directed from you to this man, and to church, and perhaps a Higher Authority?

    Can we help you in some way? What wrong has been done to you, that you would silence Mr. Stewarts voice?

    Would freedom of the press actually result if money only dictated what was published in the newspaper?

    Haven't we seen enough of free speech silenced in the television? Massive bailouts to huge corporations that CONTROL CBS, NBS, ABC and yet only Fox stands critical.

    Or is it the liberals believe: WE WON"T TOLERATE THE INTOLERATE! I as a conservative will fight for your right to voice opposition, do you wish to silence my right to oppose?

    -- Posted by ceymore on Mon, May 11, 2009, at 11:07 AM
  • Well, if manner of expression is all that matters and that "article" meets your guidlines for that criteria, then not many posts should be getting deleted. That, however, does not seem like it's the case. If your going to allow Stewart to on a self-indulgent rampage, then the only posts you should ever delete are those that include obsentities or threats.

    By allowing Stewart to post that article, you've basically declared that personal attacks are fair game for writers. But I'm sure the public comments will be deleted if they are even semi-offensive. It's a double standard and you know it is.

    -- Posted by klop on Mon, May 11, 2009, at 11:18 AM
  • Ceymore,

    I'm all for argument, it's great, but Stewart used personal attacks in his final few paragraphs.

    He was referring to comments made on his previous article, go back and read it.

    I think I can argue an opinion without being told I need therapy. Do you disagree?

    -- Posted by klop on Mon, May 11, 2009, at 11:22 AM
  • Mr. Crump,

    So we can verbally abuse others as long as we do not use a specific name? Wouldn't Mr. Stewart's comments be worse because he indicted a group of people (those who continue to disagree with him, aka me and costa nostra) instead of just an individual.

    -- Posted by klop on Mon, May 11, 2009, at 11:39 AM
  • Mr. Klop,

    Mr. Stewart may have made a blanket statement needing therapy for specific needs, or types of personalities, but I wonder why do you so readily identify with his statements?

    Again, what hurt has been done you that you lash out so at conservatism, and religiion?

    Me thinks you protest too loudly.

    -- Posted by ceymore on Mon, May 11, 2009, at 12:10 PM
  • Ceymore,

    I did not identify with his statements or attack religion. I do, however, feel that some churches and pastors have been corrupted by arrogance.

    What else but arrogance could cause Stewart to recommend therapy for those he doesn't know? Last time I checked, being a "columnist" for the MDN does not make you a doctor.

    I don't know, I guess we understood the article diffently, but I think he could have easily done without those last to paragraphs. I used to just disagree with his opinions, but I can't even respect someone with that type of arrogance.

    -- Posted by klop on Mon, May 11, 2009, at 12:18 PM
  • Mr. Crump (still awaiting response)

    So we can verbally abuse others as long as we do not use a specific name? Wouldn't Mr. Stewart's comments be worse because he vaguely indicted a group of people (those who continue to disagree with him, aka me and costa nostra) instead of just an individual.

    -- Posted by klop on Mon, May 11, 2009, at 12:20 PM
  • Just wondering as to why nothing was mentioned or reported on the High School graduation in Sweet Springs. I know this is a Marshall publication but you do have a lot of readers over here.

    -- Posted by chiefsfan18 on Mon, May 11, 2009, at 1:06 PM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    Not enough space available in today's paper, but the story and photos will be on the web as soon as possible. The reporter who covered the event also had several other stories to work on.
  • i read mr. stewart's reply to klop's comment. what i find interesting is mr. stewart used a technique that the conservative christians have used in the past few years to their own detriment.

    when someone does not hold the same values as you then something must be wrong with them. it's not enough to just have differing opinions, you must be made to think that you are the one in dire need of help. he even goes as far as to suggest that the commenter needs counseling.

    this technique, or whatever you want to call it, led to them losing the white house, congress and a whole generation of voters for years to come.

    mr. stewart may want to rethink his technique as it has seen it's better days and actually turns most people off these days.

    -- Posted by hunterfisher on Mon, May 11, 2009, at 2:24 PM
  • 'klop' Given the things you have written, don't you think censure of another's opinion is a bit hypercritical? I do..

    You weren't specifically mentioned in Mr. Stewart's "opinion" but your reaction makes it look like the arrow found a target. Bulls eye?

    I want to thank you for alerting me to

    Mr. Stewart's profound writings. I'll backtrack and catch up on earlier articles and I'm looking forward to future columns.

    -- Posted by Third Child on Mon, May 11, 2009, at 3:41 PM
  • Thank god (pun intended) that way of thinking (religious right and scare tactics) for the last 8 years is gone.

    -- Posted by snoozes on Mon, May 11, 2009, at 4:13 PM
  • I got sucked into the drama that has been occurring on the blog today. I read both of Mr. Stewart's columns and the corresponding comments, and although I don't sit on the same side of the fence as Mr. Stewart, I would say he gave as good as he got. The saying, "if you can't take it, don't dish it out", certainly applies here. After all, it was an opinion column. He expressed his opinion, you aggressively expressed yours, and he responded in kind. Why shouldn't he have that right? You did. It may be a hard pill to swallow, Klop, but swallow it you should.

    -- Posted by born-n-raised on Mon, May 11, 2009, at 5:25 PM
  • hello i am 37 years old ihave had a pacemaker defribullator for 3 years now and recently is it has malfunctioned i cant even go to wal mart or get on my computer at home with out getting shocked has any one else experecied this

    -- Posted by purpleroses on Mon, May 11, 2009, at 6:04 PM
  • purpleroses: I would suggest you contact your doctor right away. You can read some information by clicking on the link below about shocks associated with an implantable defibrillator, but you really should see a doctor immediately, if you have not already done so. http://www.hearthelp.com/sca/defibrillator-shock.html

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Mon, May 11, 2009, at 8:08 PM
  • Mike the monkey, and Arnold the ape,

    had an ongoing argument they couldn't escape.

    Mike from the left, and Arnie from the right

    kept it going throughout the night.

    Jabber and scream, bellow and roar,

    we cover our ears, and plead "no more".

    It is too bad that all primates can't write,

    if so the whole zoo could sleep at night.

    We could avert our eyes from the printed page,

    and have no need to curse and rage.

    I am sure no baboons would get upset,

    if not forced to read what made them fret.

    Maybe we are each in a cage in a way,

    and can't make a difference whatever we say.

    Maybe it's enough that we can speak our mind,

    and rattle our cage in what ways we find.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, May 11, 2009, at 11:20 PM
  • "Thank God, no pun intended, that most people see that a giant mistake has been made with this Obama experiment, and out the door his party will go in 2010."

    Midmocat take the blinders off and read the polls regarding Obama's approval rating. Wishful thinking, whistling past the grave yard wont get you where you want to go. Your perception echos that of the Republican Party which is at twenty percent of the folk and falling. They are now in a state of desperate dichotomy with a huge split that threatens to shrink the party even more.

    What does it say about the inclusiveness of the Republican Party when there only two moderate Republicans left in the Senate? What does it say about the Republican Party when young voters have abandoned it in droves?

    Before they can be meaningful actors in the nations future they must somehow find a way to espouse more than the the same narrow social issues that they trumpet, and to say more than just no to everything the majority puts forward.

    No matter how often you close your eyes, and click your heels you will not be whisked back to the nineteen fifties.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, May 12, 2009, at 9:31 AM
  • Marshall, Is it me, or when peple complain about Mr. Stewarts article, instead of complaining about just him, they like to throw in on the Christian Religion also?

    Think about it, people for the last week ahave been complaining about the youth in Marshall not having morals, well didn't alot of us ol farts get our morals instilled from parents and gran parents who went to church, or from church itself?

    Surprise, churches aren't perfect, I find that when I go to the perfect church it isn't perfect anymore. I'm there.

    I personally know three of the youth who where involved with the break-in in Slater and the assualt last week. None have any spiritual guidance.

    Infact a recent survey by one of your local churches reveal that roughly 9 out of 11 people in Marshall do not attend a church.

    Maybe things could improve for Marshall life and youth if more spiritual guidance was provided at home, and church.

    Please remember there is a great difference between calling oneself a Christian and actually living the life.

    This will catch criticism, and everyone has a bad church story, but...............

    -- Posted by ceymore on Tue, May 12, 2009, at 9:50 AM
  • Ceymore,

    I think the first problem with your arguement would be to equate religion with morality which leads to why a lot of people have a problem with Christians. Your post clearly suggest that Christians hold some sort of moral high ground.

    I couldn't disagree more. I do think however that it would be fair to grant Christians the title of most hypocritcal.

    I'm sure that it comes as no surprise that I subscribe to no organized religion but I am quite certain that I am just as moral as any Christian, maybe even more so because I don't judge people based on if and where they go to church.

    Don't worry about those three boys having no spiritual guidance as they will probably all have jailhouse conversions.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Tue, May 12, 2009, at 11:02 AM
  • If you believe in freedom and the right to protect yourself and your family you are now classified as a right wing extremist.

    For those with eyes to see and ears to hear, read this information on the direction things are going in this country:


    Also watch this taxpayer funded video of the 'kind of people' that are plotting to attack America. The video in this article was made for the Kansas City market. They are running it quite often on TV and the same type of video is being run in many other areas of the country.


    -- Posted by Third Child on Tue, May 12, 2009, at 11:41 AM
  • Amen to your last post, WTF.

    -- Posted by Slater on Tue, May 12, 2009, at 11:54 AM
  • ThirdChild,

    Sounds to me as if you may be a victim of our very own "Patriot Act"

    Let's touch on a few passages from the article:

    "The bill, if enacted, would allow the attorney general, a documented gun-grabber, to deny millions of Americans due process. "

    Where is your outrage over "warrantless wiretapping"? No due process there either.

    "In the article, the future Attorney General argues that a new law should give "the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms a record of every firearm sale."

    We have to register our cars too, what's the problem?

    "In order to make his point, Holder makes the ludicrous hypothesis that Osama bin Laden would be able to purchase an unregistered firearm at a gun show in America."

    What's so ludicris about that? He could do it very easily either himself or by proxy. The fact is anyone can go into a gun show and just by a gun.

    Are you worried that you won't be able to buy an AK47? What's next? Should you be able to own handgrenades? Maybe a couple of claymore's?

    C4 anyone?

    I would bet my last dollar that the NRA is fanning the flames of this latest "gonna take our guns" apalooza. Remember, the NRA is a business and it is in thier benefit to for these "2nd ammendment " situations to pop up now and again. Not to mention the throngs who will flock to gun stores in anticipation of an impending constitutional ammendment. Good for the gun makers as well.

    If you are a victim of anything it would be on the precedents set by the former administration.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Tue, May 12, 2009, at 12:37 PM
  • WTF and Slater

    I believe you made my point......an the attitude continues.

    -- Posted by ceymore on Tue, May 12, 2009, at 1:06 PM
  • "Where is your outrage over "warrantless wiretapping"? No due process there either."

    Exactly,.. no due process even though FISA essentially gave them carte blanche to wiretap anyone.. But that wasn't good enough for the Bush regime. They just thumbed their nose at the rule of law and Obama has thumbed his nose at the American people and decided to sweep it under the rug.

    My outrage is on record in plenty 'data collection' sites.

    Where is your outrage?

    "If you are a victim of anything it would be on the precedents set by the former administration."

    We are all victims of the former administration.

    What has Mr. Change done to reverse those injustices? Absolutely nothing.

    Those caught up in the false left right paradigm keep their blinders on while lying to themselves thinking that there is any difference in which figure head puppet of international bankers happens to be in office.

    Figure it out people. This country is being plundered as they pull the rug out from under us. The game is over unless people wake up to what is going on. It's in your face! Stop lying to yourselves.

    -- Posted by Third Child on Tue, May 12, 2009, at 1:25 PM
  • Ceymore,

    As far as the gun debate goes, WTF just mopped the floor with you. There are countless issues that are more important than gun rights. With the current economic issues, I think guns should be our last concern.

    In my opinion, the fewer people like you have guns, the better.

    Frankly, I think allowing homosexual the right to get married is far more important than your gun rights.

    Christianity is a good thing, but it does not give any of us the right to control the lifestyles of others.

    -- Posted by klop on Tue, May 12, 2009, at 1:33 PM
  • I understand the misperception about gun owner ship.

    Liberals generally try to make things so exaggerated about who can buy a gun.

    Australia and England had guns registered, and then through the work of the local liberals, law enforcement went door to door confiscating guns.

    Now in England they offer amnesty days, seems if you have a knife that isn't a kitchen utensil, you could face over 5 years in prison.

    The Right to Bear Arms was to prevent the gov't from turning tyrannical.

    As a point of fact, during WWII the Japanese decided not to try to invade the west coast due to the number of citizens who owned weapons.

    Switzerland known as a very civil country issues every household a rifle.

    In short, registering guns means easier confisction by the gov't.

    but then you guys don't really care.....just keep the gov't checks coming right?

    -- Posted by ceymore on Tue, May 12, 2009, at 1:51 PM
  • Gov. checks? I'm at work right now. In fact, I have an office and everything, not that you would know anything about that.

    -- Posted by klop on Tue, May 12, 2009, at 2:06 PM
  • Klop says,

    "I'm at work right now. In fact, I have an office and everything"

    What kind of work do you do?

    -- Posted by Third Child on Tue, May 12, 2009, at 2:19 PM
  • Third Child,

    Why do you care?

    -- Posted by klop on Tue, May 12, 2009, at 2:26 PM
  • Ceymore,

    I'm not exactly sure what point of yours I made or what exactly you mean by "attitude".

    Care to elaborate?

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Tue, May 12, 2009, at 2:28 PM
  • Why do I care what kind of work 'Klop' does?

    Because I'm wondering who is paying for all the blogging you do while on on the clock.

    -- Posted by Third Child on Tue, May 12, 2009, at 2:43 PM
  • Hey, someone really should pay me to blog. I'm great at it.

    -- Posted by klop on Tue, May 12, 2009, at 2:52 PM
  • Editor: There is a gap in the comments between Saturday May 9th, at 11:15 p.m. and Tuesday May 12th, at 2:19 p.m. Do you know where the missing comments are, and if so can they be put back in place?

    Thank you.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, May 12, 2009, at 7:16 PM
  • OkReader: I see comments on the 10th and 11th - are there specific comments missing?

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Tue, May 12, 2009, at 7:51 PM
  • Hey OKR,

    That's very weird about the gap you're seeing! I just looked, and posts are showing during those dates.

    If they don't turn up, I can copy and send to Craig and ask him to forward them on to you.

    -- Posted by Slater on Tue, May 12, 2009, at 8:39 PM
  • OKReader: If you're still not seeing the entries you believe are missing, either click on the Refresh button, or close the Web site and re-open it. As a last resort, try a complete reboot. Any of those should fix you up just fine. :)

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Tue, May 12, 2009, at 9:48 PM
  • The missing posts could also be a cache issue. Try deleting your cookies and clearing your cache. Log out and back into the site, this has helped me in the past.

    -- Posted by Scarpetta on Tue, May 12, 2009, at 10:22 PM
  • Hey ND! I wondered if maybe you'd chucked us overboard. :)

    -- Posted by Slater on Tue, May 12, 2009, at 10:52 PM
  • Everything is cool. Thank you all for your assitance.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, May 12, 2009, at 11:48 PM
  • assistance

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, May 12, 2009, at 11:49 PM
  • Flu News:

    Swine Flu May Have Been Released From A Lab

    "Adrian Gibbs, 75, who collaborated on research that led to the development of Roche Holding AG's Tamiflu drug, said in an interview that he intends to publish a report suggesting the new strain may have accidentally evolved in eggs scientists use to grow viruses and drugmakers use to make vaccines," reports Bloomberg News.

    The World Health Organization received Gibbs' report study last weekend and is now in the process of analyzing it.

    "In addition, Gibbs said his research found the rate of genetic mutation in the new virus was about three times faster than that of the most closely related viruses found in pigs, suggesting it evolved outside of swine," states the report.

    Full article:


    -- Posted by Third Child on Wed, May 13, 2009, at 12:05 PM
  • So it is now revealed that the swine flu outbreak is going to be an 'accidental' release of weaponized material from the same labs that are slated to supply the vaccine for the next phase of this virus mutation. Accidents happen, I guess.


    Billions spent on 37 new high level bio research labs to be built across America.

    Coming soon to a city near you!

    UTMB Opens New Bio Lab

    GALVESTON, Texas -


    New bio-research lab is a huge victory for Kansas



    Foot and mouth was accidentally released from Porton Down, level 4 Bio research lab in England, 2001. Four million cattle destroyed.

    2007 Report:


    -- Posted by Third Child on Wed, May 13, 2009, at 1:46 PM
  • Virus engineered to "jump species"

    Updated article:


    "WHO officials are afraid that the presence of gene segments from the H5N1 bird flu in the A-H1N1 swine flu strain could mean that the new swine flu strain was engineered to "jump species."

    Gibbs' speculation that the H1N1 virus was a "mistake" that occurred at a vaccine production facility is reminiscent of the Baxter scandal. In February, the pharmaceutical company Baxter International sent vaccine material contaminated with H3N2 flu viruses to 18 countries. The contaminated product, which Baxter calls "experimental virus material," was made at a research facility in Orth-Donau, Austria.

    Critics have suggested that Baxter intentionally contaminated the "experimental" vaccine materials in order to provoke a pandemic. Baxter has worked with governments around the world to develop and produce vaccines to protect against infectious disease or potential threats from bioterrorism. "After 9/11 Baxter helped supply stockpiles of a smallpox vaccine and in 2003 the company was contracted to develop a vaccine to combat the SARS virus. In 2006 the UK Government announced plans designed to inoculate every person in the country with Baxter's vaccines in the event of a flu pandemic," Steve Watson wrote on April 27"


    -- Posted by Third Child on Wed, May 13, 2009, at 2:38 PM
  • Well, it's about time. I could use a break from working so hard, and the flu is just what the doctor ordered. :)

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Wed, May 13, 2009, at 3:03 PM
  • Top Ten Conspiracy Websites


    Infowars "better than Fox News"

    "Mr. Jones doesn't talk about aliens, Elvis, or spontaneous combustion, or anything else that he can not support! Alex Jones predicted * an attack on New York involving Osama bin Laden two months before 9/11 happened."


    "A lot of his stories seem to have hard facts behind them and he has the paper trail to back his opinions up. He frequently has congressmen, economists and other legitimate movers and shakers on his show to talk about the conspiracies that Alex uncovers. Yes, everything there requires a grain of salt as all media does, but the grain is much smaller than what you would require for say, The Unhived Mind, or even Fox News for that matter"


    -- Posted by Third Child on Wed, May 13, 2009, at 7:01 PM
  • "You might want to check out some of the other sites listed for additional ridiculous scare tactics."

    I'm watching a David Icke interview as we speak.


    How about an example of "ridiculous scare tactics" so we can know what you are talking about?

    What scares you the most?

    -- Posted by Third Child on Wed, May 13, 2009, at 8:20 PM
  • i don't know about cosa that's an easy one for me third child. individuals with thought patterns such as yourself.

    -- Posted by hunterfisher on Wed, May 13, 2009, at 8:23 PM
  • I personally think the young People in this world are taking notice of whats going on in Governments and are doing something about it! With the turnout in the last Election! I don't think the Politician can lead them into the Conservatism idea now ! I think the young people have figured out that it don't work, and that a little Socialism with Democracy, could work! The Government is the only Entity that's big enough to keep the big Corporations & Enemies in check. But the Elected officials has too know, they are our Employees, not anything special! That's Government for all the People! Not just a selective few who might reward us, with a few crumbs! Most People are impressed by these Politician! I'm not! I know that anyone of them could ruin everything you've worked for all your life, they've done it to other Politician's! So young People, take over, and don't let these Carnival Barkers pull anything over on you, your the Boss, with a little effort of Voting and being envolved????

    -- Posted by Jo on Wed, May 13, 2009, at 11:22 PM

    Several years ago when my step-son was a member of an Army combat unit in Iraq I would get e- mails from him. He would ask us to provide certain necessary items to him because of the ridiculously inefficient supply system in the Rumsfield days. You remember the stories; parents buying body armor, the company in Jeff City that was donating vehicle armor, personal items necessary to desert troops, on, and on.

    One of the things he constantly fretted about was that in the one hundred and thirty degree heat they were not provided enough water to drink. Imagine my surprise when I found that our young folk over there, after all these years, are still dealing with the same **** problem. It disgusts me. Oh yes, Brown, Root, and Kellog are still the root of the problem. Read the following, if it doesn't make you mad nothing will. Its time to bring our kids home from Iraq.


    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, May 14, 2009, at 12:53 AM
  • I served in the far east , during the Korean Conflict. And there was nothing we didn't have, to do our Job. Matter of fact there was a lot of Waste! Better to have too much then not enough, i guess! Our Tours were 1 Year over,6 Months back. Rotation, from San Francisco. So i don't see how those Brave Guys, under those conditions, could survive even one Tour, let alone 3 or 4 . That what our Government get, having Contracting all these Service's out! Sorry your son or anyone's Son was caught in this Unnecessary insanity! And i still someone has to Pay for this! We got out Vietnam we could get out of the Middle East also, and dare them to follow! We shouldn't have been there anyway! I'm wondering about Obama now, our last good hope of Changing Washington,maybe i'm dreaming, i hope not, before i die! ha. A lot of other People have probably said the same thing in the past.

    -- Posted by Jo on Thu, May 14, 2009, at 2:20 AM
  • Jo,

    Look at what Dick Cheney is doing now. He's all over the place yet when in office he was nowhere to be found. We now know that "enhanced interogation techniques" or torture for the rest of us was also used in an attempt to establish a link between Al-Qieda and Iraq in order to justify this illegal war. It didn't work because it didn't happen.

    Seems to me that is exactly the type of behavior you guys were fighting against in Korea.

    Cheney is scared and trying like hell to cover his kiester. The only thing this war did was to make billions of dollars for KBR and Haliburton of which Cheney stands to make millions now that he is out of office.

    If we the people allow this matter to be swept under the rug then we the people are complicit.

    We will never be perfectly safe. It's impossible but we cannot let ourselves be dragged down to level of these terrorists.

    We need to be honest with ourselves and look at why we were attacked in the first place. We need to reform our policies in the middle east and we need to leave.

    I have written Ike Skelton with my support for prosectuing those who skewed the laws and ordered this conduct. I would encourage everyone to write thier representatives. They all have websites and you can let them know how you feel via the net. No stamp needed.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Thu, May 14, 2009, at 6:00 AM
  • If I may veer off-topic here...The local gas retailers are nailing us again. As of yesterday morning...

    Brunswick $2.04

    Carrollton $2.03

    Waverly $1.99

    Sedalia $2.03

    MARSHALL $2.19

    ...you're giving them about an extra $5.00 every time you buy 25 gallons.

    Buy local???

    -- Posted by outsider on Thu, May 14, 2009, at 7:38 AM
  • Just for the record, I don't think the Government is keeping anyone "in check," least of all the big Corporations & Enemies. If anything the Government is giving them free reign, right under our clueless noses.

    -- Posted by angelas1986 on Thu, May 14, 2009, at 7:59 AM
  • The only weapons the public has to fight back at the Executive Branch of our Government, is our Representatives. And they arn't going to do anything unless we flood there office's, with our voice's of anger,& our Vote's! That's what got us out of Vietnam! So everyone who disagrees with all this,do!, what we have to do?????

    -- Posted by Jo on Thu, May 14, 2009, at 11:54 AM
  • "I don't think the Government is keeping anyone "in check," least of all the big Corporations & Enemies. If anything the Government is giving them free reign, right under our clueless noses."

    Someone said, the new boss is the same as the old boss. Look at all the Wall Street backing of Obama and do the math. Look at the appointments.

    The same bankers that destroyed our economy are now going to fix it and they will be given extraordinary powers to do whatever they want and will be accountable to no one. We can't find out where trillions of dollars have gone and they expect more and more... Treasury Department officials are violating the Logan Act by attending the secret banker's Bilderberg meeting in Greece, as we speak..

    The false "change" administration is more a seamless transition of the Bush administration than change. Obama is still going to rendition prisoners to secret prisons. He will still detain prisoners indefinately without charges. He is reinstituting Military Tribunal kangaroo courts. He refuses to prosecute war crimes at top levels even though Judge Harvey, stated that everyone is subject to the law. I guess it's the old Nixon defense.. if the president does it it's not against the law.. somebody show me where this puppet is different than the last puppet..

    -- Posted by Third Child on Thu, May 14, 2009, at 12:30 PM
  • What the F..., I must respectfully disagree with you regarding Chaney. I don't agree with your assessment that he is out speaking to cover his past. I think he's out there talking out of frustration over the lack of conservatives standing up to the Obama Libs.

    -- Posted by hawaii50 on Thu, May 14, 2009, at 1:00 PM
  • Violations of Logan Act:

    Jim Tucker of the American Free Press confirms that U.S. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner will attend this year's Bilderberg meeting in Athens, Greece.

    Also, "US Deputy Secretary of State James Steinberg will be the first member of President Barack Obama's administration to have a meeting with Greek officials in Greece, sources said yesterday," reports Kathimerini, Greece's international English language newspaper.

    "Whether Lucifer will be down there on the sun-loungers remains to be seen," Roger Boyes and John Carr write sarcastically for the Times Online. "But what we have been able to establish from a World Bank spokesman, Alexis O'Brien, is that the organization's president, Robert Zoellick, will be in Athens on unspecified business on May 14.

    Robert Zoellick was previously a managing director of Goldman Sachs, United States Deputy Secretary of State, and U.S. Trade Representative. He is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations and the Trilateral Commission and attended Bilderberg meetings in 1991, 2003, 2006 and 2007.


    -- Posted by Third Child on Thu, May 14, 2009, at 1:17 PM
  • Can someone tell us something about some wonderful people in our community doing good things for others or our communities. This could be children, teens as well as adults. Seems the only publicity anyone gets is when they committ a crime. How about something upbeat!!

    -- Posted by farmerwife on Thu, May 14, 2009, at 1:39 PM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    We publish upbeat news as often as crime news. Check out yesterday's paper, which included news that Ron Duvall received the Al Bunch Humanitarian Award for his service to the community. Today we have a Marshall soldier, Christopher Vasquez, receiving the Army Commendation Medal. The paper has been filled the past two days with information about student awards and scholarships. Yesterday we published a preview that was posted earlier on the web about the MHS Pop Assembly tonight, a showcase for local student talent. Today there's another photo of Ron Duvall in his capacity as Food Pantry chairman, helping organize food donated by the Marshall Post Office.

    There's lots of good news to be found and we try to publish as much as we can!

  • Yippie Ki Yay: We don't usually publish the names of victims, even if they're in law enforcement.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Thu, May 14, 2009, at 1:56 PM
  • "We don't usually publish the names of victims, even if they're in law enforcement"

    Was there a time when names of the accused weren't published before they were convicted?

    I'm thinking that was the case.. Now, names of those accused of crimes are convicted in a vicious court of public opinion, before the facts are presented to a judge or jury. Guilty until proven innocent, if then..

    People are sitting in jail, seemingly convicted in this court of public opinion, on the testimony of a known 'criminal informant' victim.

    I think it would only be fair to disclose the informant's name, as well as their criminal history, to assist in the public's deliberations. Otherwise, how are we to competently make our judgemental declarations without at least knowing all the players?

    -- Posted by Third Child on Thu, May 14, 2009, at 2:54 PM
  • If you want all the players...go sit in the court house and listen to the case presented.

    -- Posted by Scarpetta on Thu, May 14, 2009, at 3:58 PM
  • Third Child: We do not publish the name of anyone accused of a crime until *after* charges have been filed and the information is already posted on the public Web site at case.net.

    Recently, we have been including several extra lines in the stories when we *do* publish the names, reminding our readers that accusations are not proof of anything.

    We could, as other newspapers do, publish the names *before* charges are actually filed, but as we've stated in the past, we prefer to wait until charges are filed.

    This is area where newspapers are damned if they do and damned if they don't. If we don't publish the crime stories, and/or we leave out the names, we're accused of hiding information. If we do publish the names, we're accused of pointing a finger unnecessarily.

    We cannot have it both ways, and we believe that the system we've worked out is a fair compromise. Obviously, not everyone likes it, which tells me it's probably the fairest way.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Thu, May 14, 2009, at 5:02 PM
  • My point was that if someone goes to jail on the accusation of another, then to be fair, the accuser's name should also be included in the article. Exceptions of course would be child victims of heinous crimes and such..

    -- Posted by Third Child on Thu, May 14, 2009, at 6:22 PM
  • Third Child: The accuser is the state of Missouri, usually by action of a law enforcement officer. Sometimes, especially in drug cases, there might actually be an informant, and if we are aware of that fact, we have published that information, although not the name of that person. If you read the stories carefully, we will most often refer to an incident report from one of our police departments, a probable cause statement issued by the prosecutor, or a report from Missouri Highway Patrol, as the source of our story. In general, you can assume it's the state making the accusation.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Thu, May 14, 2009, at 7:28 PM
  • "Otherwise, how are we to competently make our judgemental declarations without at least knowing all the players?"

    The job of "competently making a judicial declaration" belongs to the jury, or the judge if a bench trial, not the peanut gallery.

    -- Posted by Reader101 on Thu, May 14, 2009, at 9:02 PM
  • "The job of "competently making a judicial declaration" belongs to the jury, or the judge if a bench trial, not the peanut gallery."

    Again, I make the mistake of writing 'tongue in cheek' when I wrote "judgemental" declaration.

    It was actually meant as a bit of a swipe *at* the peanut gallery.. as there does seem to be a tendency to declare judgement, sans the details.

    Still, I'm a little surprised that it was misread and misquoted as "judicial" declaration, especially from Reader 101?

    -- Posted by Third Child on Thu, May 14, 2009, at 9:48 PM
  • An example of one aspect wrong with our news media is the headline, paraphrased, "More Americans calling themselves pro-life."

    In an article written by AP reporter David McCrary, he states that ..."51% of Americans now call themselves pro-lifers..."

    What's wrong with his statement is that it should read 51% of those surveyed responded as pro-lifers, not 51% of Americans.

    News reports are full of mistakes like this one, so read carefully and logically, my friends.

    -- Posted by Slater on Fri, May 15, 2009, at 7:30 PM
  • Here's a link to the story mentioned by Slater:


    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Fri, May 15, 2009, at 7:46 PM
  • Yippee Ki Yay, the point I made is very clear, but I'll attempt to settle it for you.

    The reporter stated in the article that 51% of AMERICANS now call themselves pro-lifers. Since all national polls and surveys are conducted by sampling the population, McCrary's statement is inaccurate and should have been that 51% of THOSE SURVEYED...

    I wasn't referring to the representativeness of the statistics, but, since you bring it up, in some instances a case CAN be made for questioning the methodology and/or the findings of pollls and surveys.

    Additionally, I wasn't raising an issue with the topic being surveyed. I was pointing out that some reporters don't spend enough time thinking through what they say, or perhaps a personal bias is introduced, thereby distorting the facts of a matter. It follows that we shouldn't accept as fact, set in stone with an iron-clad guarantee, everything we read or hear with respect to subjects with potential controversy.

    KF posted the link to the article in question (thanks, KF), so you can read for yourself.

    -- Posted by Slater on Fri, May 15, 2009, at 9:02 PM
  • I take it you have a visual impairment.

    -- Posted by Slater on Fri, May 15, 2009, at 10:13 PM
  • YKY asks "Who in their right mind, assumes that an animal is capable of portraying human consciousness/intelligence?"

    I give you Lassie, Benji, Rin Tin Tin, Eddie, "Air" Bud...and surely there are others. It's harmless, for one thing, and IMHO anything that puts feet on the downtown square is a good thing.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Sat, May 16, 2009, at 7:36 AM

    Farmers, representatives of farm co-ops, potential partners, COMMUNITY MEMBERS and community and business leaders are invited to attend an informal meeting at Martin Community Center, 1985 S. Odell Ave., from 10 a.m. to 3 p.m. Saturday, May 16, to discuss various aspects of the biorefinery plant to be constructed in Marshall that will produce ethanol and green electricity from nonfood plant material.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Sat, May 16, 2009, at 9:04 AM
  • 'Cosa Nostra' Please stop your trolling. If you believe life is better under sedation then help yourself to another blue pill.

    Reality is the red pill. Your last post was a textbook troll and you are hereby given public notice to stop it. You really aren't that anonymous and this isn't a playground for schoolyard bullies.

    For those that missed it, Bob Stewart's reply to a recent troll attack sums it up well:

    "Some, obviously, are not very multi-faceted and need to bludgeon others -- even if it's just verbally -- to feel good about themselves. In my opinion, such folks need extensive counseling. They need someone to reach out to them to help them find some sense of worth; some sense of self. They need someone to help them get rid of all their insecurities.

    But alas, we will never be able to help them because we don't know who they are.

    They hide their insecurities behind on-line monikers and funny sounding log-in names. They are, when all is said and done, anonymously anonymous."


    I couldn't have said it better..

    -- Posted by Third Child on Sat, May 16, 2009, at 12:10 PM
  • So much for "Change"


    Barack Obama is aggressively stepping up the war in Afghanistan. He's intensified the cross-border bombing of Pakistan and he is doubling the number of U.S. troops to 68,000 by 2010.

    On May 4, 2009, 143 civilians were killed in a bombing raid in Bala Baluk, a remote area south of Herat.

    Ninety-three children and 25 adult women are among a list of 140..

    Nearly 850,000 people have been forced from their homes in the last few weeks to seek shelter in the south. For the most part, the humanitarian crisis has gone unreported in the western media, but Obama knows what is going on and is sticking with the same policy. Hundreds of thousands of people are now living in tent cities without food or clean water because of the escalation in the violence. It's a disaster.

    OBAMA PICKS A GENERAL: Enter the assassination squads.. McChrystal's appointment suggests that Obama supports the idea that hunter-killer units and targeted assassinations are an acceptable means of achieving US foreign policy objectives. Obama supporters should pay close attention; this is a continuation of the Rumsfeld policy with one slight difference, a more persuasive and charismatic pitchman promoting the policy. Other than that, there's no difference.

    Full article at:


    -- Posted by Third Child on Sat, May 16, 2009, at 1:02 PM
  • When running for office, Obama consistently pledged to put more troops in Afghanistan. This is exactly the "CHANGE" he promised. It is a tragedy that innocent civilians had to die; however, had our former president put our troops in Afghanistan where they belonged, instead of Iraq, this war on terror might well have been over, and these latest casualties might not have occurred.

    -- Posted by born-n-raised on Sat, May 16, 2009, at 2:17 PM
  • To acknowledge a troll is giving them exactly what they want...

    -- Posted by Scarpetta on Sat, May 16, 2009, at 3:23 PM
  • -- Posted by Third Child on Sat, May 16, 2009, at 10:37 PM
  • Try this


    Health and vaccines

    One red pill:

    "Run From the Cure"

    The true story of hemp, as told by Rick Simpson, the man who cured cancer with hemp oil.


    -- Posted by Third Child on Sat, May 16, 2009, at 11:24 PM
  • Baby boomers:

    How cancer virus got into your polio vaccine

    In Lies We Trust Part 14 of 16


    -- Posted by Third Child on Sun, May 17, 2009, at 12:56 PM
  • Fellow MDN posters, I think it's time we do an intervention, lest Third Child ends up somewhere in the fetal postion. Help is needed!!

    -- Posted by born-n-raised on Sun, May 17, 2009, at 7:02 PM
  • Hey what do you think about Pres. Obama's speech at Notre Dame?

    Nice that he he wants everything to be so civil about abortion. The media sure can make fertilizer smell like roses.

    As a former fetus, I resent the thoughts of being ripped out of the womb for covenience sakes, but who's too judge, right?

    Remember, Hitler applied the "Final Solution" to over 6 million people, the United States has applied it to over 40 million.

    Genocide or Infanticide, but lets not call any names! We need to be aware of the OBAMAnation of morals

    -- Posted by ceymore on Sun, May 17, 2009, at 7:58 PM
  • The crimes of the Bush Administration will not be swept under the rug, nor forgotten no matter how much Obama wants that to happen.

    Must read: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/17/opinion/17rich-5.html?_r=2&th&emc=th

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, May 17, 2009, at 11:56 PM
  • There is one thing I can count on with a great deal of certainty and that is that the Blogs and Speak Out of the paper are very entertaining. Keep up the great work! Now pass the Diet Coke and the MDN, I'm in my desk chair and the computer is ON Baby ON!

    -- Posted by salinemg on Mon, May 18, 2009, at 12:15 AM
  • Anyone know what is being built out in front of Walmart?

    -- Posted by Gal66 on Mon, May 18, 2009, at 10:50 AM
  • dollar tree

    -- Posted by aikman8 on Mon, May 18, 2009, at 10:54 AM
  • Salinemg, have you ever looked into the controversies of aspartame?

    -- Posted by Third Child on Mon, May 18, 2009, at 11:38 AM
  • Not that there would ever be a rumor in Marshall ;) but I heard it was a new Taco Bell. Walgreen's will make a new home on the corner of Hwy 65 and College. Just remember, that is just rumor mill.

    -- Posted by Scarpetta on Mon, May 18, 2009, at 12:30 PM
  • I have also heard that it is a Dollar Tree.

    -- Posted by imaloony on Mon, May 18, 2009, at 2:45 PM
  • Dollar Tree, opening in September

    -- Posted by carguy on Mon, May 18, 2009, at 3:52 PM
  • it is indeed a dollar tree ... i know the guys working the construction site.

    -- Posted by aikman8 on Mon, May 18, 2009, at 11:06 PM
  • Man just what Marshall needs, a crappy dollar store. We can't get a steak joint to save our lives, but hey we got a dollar store now!!

    -- Posted by oldschool17 on Tue, May 19, 2009, at 7:58 AM
  • I heard Taco Bell is moving in front of Wal-Mart and Walgreens is going to build where it was

    -- Posted by goodfella on Tue, May 19, 2009, at 8:22 AM
  • When you think of Marshall, what comes to mind?

    Well, today it's this mental picture;

    'Taco Bell moving in front of Wal-Mart

    Walgreens rebuilding where it was..'

    -- Posted by Third Child on Tue, May 19, 2009, at 9:16 AM
  • When you think of Marshall, what comes to mind?

    Well, today it's this mental picture;

    Hypocrites and snobs

    -- Posted by Scarpetta on Tue, May 19, 2009, at 11:12 AM
  • How about this one...

    When you think of Marshall, what comes to mind?

    Well, today it's this mental picture;

    The fact that The Marshall Democrat News has the know it all of western civilization. The go-to person of wisdom, knowledge, typos and grammatical errors. We are so lucky to have you. Thanks for playing.

    -- Posted by Scarpetta on Tue, May 19, 2009, at 11:14 AM
  • "Hypocrites and snobs"

    How so?

    -- Posted by Third Child on Tue, May 19, 2009, at 11:30 AM
  • David Kemm tells me the new construction will be for a Dollar Tree store...

    -- Posted by patron on Tue, May 19, 2009, at 12:41 PM
  • Do you never leave the confines of your home? Or are you not actually in Marshall? Or new here? Or...?

    -- Posted by Scarpetta on Tue, May 19, 2009, at 1:23 PM
  • I see Obama on tv and think he has lost something i seen in the begining! What is it? Has anyone else seen this? Or is it me? A couple of things he has done, like letting up on these Prosecutions! Acting like he has to have the Rep. approvel for every move he makes! I don't like this, but i think Washington could care less what i think!Just a thought!

    -- Posted by Jo on Tue, May 19, 2009, at 3:11 PM
  • Jo,

    Unfortunately I agree with you. I believe he is treading very carefully because he has things he wants to get done and can't afford to PO the GOP.

    The good news, however is that the GOP is coming apart at the seams and the repubs are eating thier own.

    Prosectuions may indeed happen, hopefully as now everyone in the GOP is trying to distance themselves for the Bush admin. and the finger pointing is now at a fevered pitch. They know they broke the law and are trying to cover thier collective seat cushions

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Tue, May 19, 2009, at 8:49 PM
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