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Officers of the Marshall Police Department, with assistance from Saline County Sheriff's Department and Missouri State Highway Patrol, arrested seven men and two women late Thursday, Feb. 12, in connection with a marijuana growing operation.
Officers served warrants at two residences on South Redman Avenue and a third residence on East Gordon Street. During searches conducted at the residences, officers seized smoking devices, scales and other forms of drug paraphernalia and a large quantity of marijuana.
Vincent W. Galate, 22, of Marshall, has been charged with class B felony manufacture of marijuana. Erik G. Swanson, 23, of Marshall, has been charged with class B felony possession of marijuana with intent to distribute. Jessica C. Swanson, 25, and Linda C. Swanson, 54, both of Marshall, have been charged with class C felony possession of marijuana. All four were in custody at the Marshall police department as of press time Friday, Feb. 13. Four others remain in custody pending charges.
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That'll do then. This discussion long ago left behind the issue of marijuana legalization and devolved into a personal spat. Please just stop.
muddywater,
Was your last post directed at me because it seemed to describe in great detail every post you've ever made?
I called you ignorant on the subject at hand.
Knowing how you would react I also explained that it just means that you don't any better and it doesn't mean nor imply that you are stupid.
Your repsonse to me was "YOUR AN IDIOT!"
Very dramatic, don't you think? Maybe even borderline hysterical which was the point of my original post. Looks as if we've come full circle.
For what it's worth I don't know anyone at the paper.
It would seem as if you and Yee Haw haven't really bothered to read and digest anything I have written. You seem only to react. Lashing out might be a more appropriate term.
If you had then you would know that I advocate usage by adults and that there is a proper time and place for everything.
Yee Haw's last post, in a feeble attempt to slam me has insulted everyone at Con Agra by insinutating that everyone there must be high all the time even while at work. Very nice thing to say.
I don't work there, but I do know alot of people who do. They are good, hard working people who don't deserve any such insults.
Yee Haw, you should be ashamed of yourself.
I ask both of you to go back and read your posts again. I hardly think I have cornered the market on "childish".
What the f
Debate, all I heard from you was excuses, finger pointing and child mentality? I guess that's your debate?? Whatever... Part of the problem is the editors deleting my responses. Guess they side with you on the pot issue? Or maybe you are some friend of someone on the paper?? That's not saying much though... Seem you can call people ignorant and it's just fine. You have still never answered any question given to you about pot and never will. You have nothing but insults for anyone that opposes pot. So yip I guess your such an upstanding person...
But you know what, at the end of the day Pots still not legal is it. I guess the majority still rules. I guess that makes the majority all below you doesn't it??
Have a good life, what part you can remember anyway...
litlmissme,
I can appreciate you opinion based on those experiences. I would hope that you can appreciate my opinion, and those of millions of other responsible hard working, productive marijuana users based on our positive experiences.
There were many other examples and more extreme circumstances that I saw and I do not judge alcohol on a lesser level, in fact, alcohol in many cases can be worse. I just cannot support the legalization of pot or any other drug and yes, though it may be extreme I for one would not bat an eye at prohibition of pot and alcohol. I do not drink nor do I smoke.
I have seen the worst of the worst and my opinion is based solely on that circumstance.
Muddywater,
Looks like you have lost the debate.
Thanks for playing.
Time to move on.
litlmissme,
I can appreciate your position from a law enforcement stand point. From a law enforcement stand point where would place alcohol use in terms of negative effects?
Unfortunately you saw the most extreme examples be it marijuana or alcohol. My point has alsways been that the vast majority of users never have any negative contact with law enforcement.
Finally, some people are bad parents period. If daddy didn't hit her because of a joint he would have hit her for anything else because that's the kind of loser he is and that is also the most extreme of examples.
Muddywater,
Nice tantrum little buddy!I must have struck a nerve. Is this the way you get when you have lost the arguement? I just want to know for future reference.
I apologize to no one. Especially you.
You have no idea what I do or do not know about illness and for you to presume to know my life experience is just a tad arrogant wouldn't you think?
You rail on me about facts while never providing any of your own.
As far as being in idiot I guess it really does take one to know one.
http://www.acde.org/common/Marijana.htm
Try these facts as some basis of my beleifs.
My negativity about pot stems from years of involvement with law enforcement. On numerous occasions going into a home of people where pot was there but if you looked around not much else was. There were so many times small children had NOTHING! Most times a dirty diaper was all they could lay claim to and yet Mom and Dad had the money to buy pot!
One call was to a home where the woman had been hit in the mouth because she refused to let her 2 year old carry a joint to Daddy.
Again, I cannot come up with facts but I know from watching those pot smoking individuals grow into addicts of other (I use the phrase loosely), more harmful drugs that it is so.
On my past post, I am aware that you can buy pot in California with a prescription, but the legislation that I was referring to is new legislation requesting the legalization of pot to the masses. Arnold thinks it is the way to help California out of debt.
I say go West young man!
Muddywater,
You keep raising the bar. So now it really has to cure something?
Does any drug really cure anything or does it just give us a way to live with an illness?
I'm glad you metioned hemp because I'm sure you are also an expert on it's amzing range of uses. Let's go green.
Maybe you should walk a mile in the shoes of a cancer patient who uses marijuana to relieve pain and encourage appetite.
Who are you to deny them that relief and have to obtain the substance illegally?
You also said: "But don't just leave it up to the drug companies or misinformed doctors to decide your future." I guess this mean we have to leave it up to you and those who share your opinion?
You went on to say: "But remember your the one who skates around the question I asked by throwing out more questions and what-ifs"
I hardly think that I have that market cornered considering questions I have asked of you that haven't bothered to answer.
So, on we dance.
What the f
You summed it all up for me...But remember your the one who skates around the question I asked by throwing out more questions and what-ifs.
Still waiting for one good reason to make pot legal? I haven't heard one yet. You show me where pot has cured anything and I'll jump on the hemp bandwagon.
I do agree that those drug companies that you mention are just legal theives! (See we agree on something now the world is saved) But alot of the time it is the doctors that miss prescribe and abuse the despensing of those medications with little to no follow up supervision of their patients.
Alot of drugs have bad side affects and alot of drugs have a positive effect. But don't just leave it up to the drug companies or misinformed doctors to decide your future.
But again I see no need for daily use of marijuana by anyone. No one has proved to me that it is better than those drug companies you mentioned and I don't trust them either!
I think the reference to prohibition is correct, it didn't work. But if you think the brutal south american drug cartels will let up even if pot was legal, your wrong. They've ruled the drug world way to long not to get their stuff in here everyday and do it their way. Heck we don't even stop the millions of mexicans walking into our country everday, what makes you think the drug dealers will stay home and ask if marlboro will sell their dope for them...
So the point could be made to outlaw cigarettes, which if you haven't read in the papers around the state lately, is happening. Then legalize marijuana in it's place?? OK..Sure
Muddywaters
I almost forgot, you said:"drug dealers are drug dealers. Dealers do nothing but prey on society"
Were you refering to the folks growning weed in thier basement. You know, the substance which has not a single documented case of causing death by overdose.
Or were you talking about these folks, to name a but a few who can't begin to hold the same distinction.
Johnson and Johnson
Pfizer
Bayer
GlaxoSmithKline
AstraZeneca
Merck & Co.
Abbott Laboratories
Wyeth Bristol-Myers Squibb
Eli Lilly and Company etc.
There is literally a pill for everything these days, isn't there?
You went on to say:
"Making pot legal and taxing it will not solve the illegal pot trade, to much money in the dealing for that to happen."
Really? Are you high? That's what they thought about alcohol during prohibition and we all know how that worked out don't we.
Let's cut to the chase. You don't care about facts, figures or anything that could be even remotely construed as postive regarding marijuana.
You hate pot smokers. Period. To you all pot smokers are no good, lazy, unproductive drains on society. Laying about while suckling on the breast of a welfare society. Dirtbags one and all.
Did I miss anyhting?
Muddywater,
I've given you plenty of reasons. You just don't want to accept them.
Your mind is made up and that's fine. I would ask you however to tone down your righteous indignation because you certainly don't know me as well as you think.
What the f
Maybes don't cut it, can't give me that one reason pot should be legal can you.
You don't know me as well as you think. I would accept it whole heartedly today if it was proved to cure anything, let alone cancer or something serious!
The problem with it would be, as soon as it was proven to cure something, then everyone would say they have cancer.
As far as feeling sorry for pot dealers being in prison, drug dealers are drug dealers. Dealers do nothing but prey on society. So pot dealers can set in prison along with other dealers as far as I'm concerned.
Making pot legal and taxing it will not solve the illegal pot trade, to much money in the dealing for that to happen.
Maybe pot should be legalized and tax the crap out of it. Make it more expensive and the profits used to correct our nations plight.How GREAT it would be to know that pot did some good for a change!
muddywater,
I have stated my case for legality. The discussion had nothing to do with any health benefits of marijuana it had to do with the rights of adults who choose to partake.
There are many who feel that there are tremendous health benefits for cancer patients, for pain relief and that of anxiety to name but a few. You dont really care.
If we were to find out tommorrow that it could cure cancer I don't think it would change your mind.
You keep asking me to prove my case when you have yet to prove yours. I have asked you for things that you havn't delevered.
What's the point?
What the f
You have stated numerous times that marijuana should be legal. All I ask is that you give one valid reason that marijuana is good enough for people to use to make it legal. You can't do it, so you turn the PR and attempt to argue instead of giving us a valid reason to make marijuana legal for it's use?? Just one reason, Come on find a reason on the NORML web site or maybe look in that hightimes and pull me out a good reason to make pot legal...
Muddywater,
Whether or not it's "good for anyone" was never the discussion yet you insisted that I make a case to support it. The discussion, as you have obviously forgotten was about the legality of possesion regarding adults. I'm not going to show proof to back up something I never said.
You claim to have some thirty years experience but refuse to back it up so I called you on it.
Apparently when you are called on your BS the person calling you out is throwing a tantrum.
Fine, back up your BS and I'll quit throwing "tantrums".
PS. I work in computer design. You?
What the f
I ask a simple question for you to state your case as to why marijuana is good for anyone and you write a tantrum about me.
You make no sense, but then again what should I expect.
P.S. I don't have to disclose my job, as I highly doubt you ever will.
Well Yee Haw thats the problem....
You obviously have some sort of perverted,sterotypical view of an adult pot smoker. Hidden away in thier parents basement with a 4 foot bong staying high 24/7.
If that's the case you couldn't be more wrong.
Maybe,just maybe I'm someone, like most other adult pot smokers who enjoy a little taste on saturday night with a good movie, popcorn, good friends etc. Maybe, just maybe I'm one of the millions of responsible smokers who knows there is a proper time and a place and who's use is infrequent enough as to not build up too much "evidence" in the body".
I have had to take those unconstitutional "tests" before with never a problem.
Why don't you save us both a lot of time and just come out and say how you really feel.
Once again Yee Haw you seem to have nothing of substance to add to the conversation. How do you know that I don't work for the Federal Govt.?
Muddywater,
One more thing. Where, in any of my posts have I ever stated wheter or not marijuana or alcohol was "good for you" ? I havn't because that wasn't what the discussion was about. I never made such a comment yet you fervently tell me to provide you with proof to justify a claim that I never made. At best I may have spoke of the lesser effects of marijuana compared to alcohol. I never said any of is "good for you". Chesseburgers aren't necessarily good for you either.
You are the one who states "30 years experience". 30 years experience in what exactly?
The delicious irony is that I have almost 30 years experience as a marijuana smoker. I have experience in the culture. Do you? Have you ever smoked pot?
With 30 years of experience then you should be in a much better position to back up your claim rather than insisting that I back up a claim that I never made. Also in an earlier post I gave a link to a site that explains the history of how marijuan became illegal. Unlike your posts the information is based on actual fact. You never even bothered to read it did you? You try to pass yourself off as some sort of expert. Ok. Prove it. I have yet to see anything in your posts that would paint as anything other then hateful and consumed with prejudice.
Muddywater,
In your 30 years of witnessing the "negative" effects of marijuana, in what capacity were you able to do this? Law enforcement? Health care? Education? Other
In this 30 years of witnessing the negative effects of marijuana, were you also able to witness the negative effects of alcohol, tobacco or all the illegal drugs?
If so, could you please rank them all from 1 to 10 regarding thier negative effects? I would be very interested in reading your report.
what the f
If your arguement is so viable, then prove your statements. Give us another point except that the government should legalize marijuana. I want to hear why Marijuana is so good for someone??
Show me where any Doctor in Saline County supports the use of marijuana? If marijuana use is so good for you, then why does almost evey major employer require drug testing for employees? Is any smoke put into your lungs good for you? People in general do stupid things, but why does it happen more when someone is using marijuana? The first thing a defendant states in court is that they did it because of drugs or alcohol, so why is both so good for a person?
Give me a clear argument as to why Marijuana is so good for your body?? I don't mean an argument towards medical marijuana either, because that's not what we have been talking about.
If you want to argue then get to it..lets hear it!
I've seen the negative effects of marijuana over the last 30 years, so lets hear about how marijuana is good for the general public.
No,
But I will argue with you.
What the f
You would argue with a mirror..........
Thank you Dr. Yee Haw.
muddywater,
Yes, I have stated that you were ignorant on the subject. Ignorance is nothing to be ashamed of it simply means you don't know any better. It doesn't mean nor was it meant to imply that you are stupid. Yes, in one of your posts I do believe you were overly dramatic and I do believe you have been immature in when making statements like "Wow Dude That's Narly!!" I don't remember ever calling you a liar but if I did there was probably a good reason for it.
Your opinion is well defined but unfortunately it seems to be based soley on prejudice. All that hate must be exhausting. I hope you are taking care of yourself.
Have a great day!
What the f
If people state any opinion against marijuana, you seem to take it very personal. If anyone disagrees with your lack of knowledge, you get vendictive in your blogs, calling people names such as ignorant, dramatic, immature and liars. You ask for our argument against marijuana, but you refuse to accept or acknowlege our opinions. It's my opinion that Marijuana makes you that way??
Man just set back, light it up and mello out as you say you like to do. If you get caught, be a man and take your punishment. Maybe you'll get Judge Rolf to hear your case and get off of it with a loud muffler charge..who knows??
I guess you will just have to put up with the laws as long as the majority rules, just like the rest of us do... Have a narly life dude...
your right I forgot that detail. the Feds try their best to watch these shops, but its virtually impossible to crack down on all these stores when they are regulating california, along with the rest of the country. They have bigger fish to fry, and at least if people are buying their buds from stores, they are doing it legaly and cuts out most crime. Look at how well our government handled the whole prohibition issue. They say alcohol is bad, so lets ban it. yet everyone is still drinking. So they do the right thing and use their head, allow drinking again and look at how much money they make off alcohol alone. Its all about propaganda. How do you know that everything you have been told about marijuana isn't a load of crock? You really don't ...
RTB5,
Thanks for your post but I think it should be pointed out that the California legality you speak of only applies to state and local law.
Unfortunately, the federal govt. still considers this criminal activity and will periodically throw it's weight around by raiding one or more of the medical marijuana suppliers.
Littlemissme,
Maybe you would like to share with all of us
one actual reason as to why marijuana should'nt be decriminalized.
Much like muddywaters, your bias is duely noted however it seems to have no discernable bearing on the discussion at hand.
Can you give a viable, contructive reason to support your opinion or is the fact that you just hate all pot smokers all there is?
Seriously, let's have a debate unless you would rather just trade pithy quips. That's fine too as long as I know where you stand.
Littlemissme, I think your smarter than you think you are. It is already legal in California as well as the westcoast as a whole. Prescribed patients can literally walk into a marijuana store, purchase marijuana, and walk out with a sack. Maybe its just a different atmosphere (which it really is)from the midwest, and thats why everyone one here is so ill-educated on the subject. And as far as ganging up on What the F, just because he knows what he's talking about you feel its right to attack him. He is simply pointing out his opinion, just like you. But the thing is, he listens to what you say. And you dont. Im gonna be on a beach somewhere in ten years enjoying a marijuana cig. You can quote me "Marijuana will be legal to the public by the year 2014. Oh yeah and Marlboro already has the patent on a pack of joints, so the day its legalized, marbs will have what you want.
What the f......:
Hey just heard that California is thinking of passing "your law" maybe you should move there, lets see how THAT works out!
Maybe all pot smokers will move there and be happy together!
muddywater,
Judging by your clever retort I can see that you are out of ammo. Maybe you should get a grown up to help you with your next post.
What the f
Your a mind reader....Wow Dude That's Narly!!
As I said before: I compare a pot smoker with an alcoholic, both trying to escape reality.....
muddywater,
You are clearly ignorant on the subject and haven't really heard a word I have said. I guess that doesn't matter because it seems to me as if you won't be happy until every pot smoker is in jail. That'll fix everything won't it?
One more thing thing. When have I ever called it safe or for that matter ok for kids? I haven't,but you refuse to see that don't you?
Don't parents need to set an example for drinking as well? It takes us back to the old argument. Blame the parents, not the substance.
What the f
You are just too funny...
Putting pot in the liquor stores will make it harder for kids to get...That's a JOKE!
Every kid in the country can buy alcohol and cigarettes, Yeah this would make it so hard to get. Why worry if kids smoke dope, if their parents are setting the example and showing them that it's okay to get stoned?? Just put it in the candy machines at school if it's so safe. They learn by example, whatever that example may be!
Most adults who are going to smoke pot are already doing it, you're correct. The world is just spinning a little faster for them....
I compare a pot smoker with an alcoholic, both trying to escape reality.....
Muddywater,
I think your being a little dramatic here.
I should be ok for an adult to possess and use marijuana as they see fit. Even if they have to grow it themselves.
I'll let you in on a little secret. Most of the adults in this country who want to smoke pot already do. It's not hard to find and the world hasn't stopped spinning because of it. The problem is that kids have the same access as adults.
If we were to bring it out in the light and put it in liqour stores then it would be a little harder for kids to get. This would also free up law enforcement to conentrate on the really hard drugs.
What the f
The cigarettes and alcohol that I'm referring to has to do with the retail market, not the street. But it does happen everyday.
I still disagree with making pot legal. Yes alcohol brings in taxes, but it cost this country alot of money everyday in dealing with all of the problems. Why double the problems with pot. If we are going to argue that point, then just go ahead and make all drugs legal. Make all prescriptions outdated and just sell them all at Walmart over the counter. Better yet just put them all out on the shelves and let the shoppers pick and choose..
muddywaters,
Thank you. You made my point for me. Legalize,tax and regulate and remove the profit motive so that it wouldn't be worth the trouble for most people to grow it themselves.
As for the alcohol and cigs I don't for a second they exist but It's easier to find pot than illegal smokes and alcohol.
No, I'd arrest them!! If everyone is just growing Pot for themselves, then why are they selling it on the street??
Personal use my ***. they do it to make money instead of getting jobs. I highly doubt anyone is growing all of their "personal" use pot, most buy it off their buddy or off the street just like others do??
I suggest you talk to the Missouri Department of Revenue about untaxed cigarettes and alcohol. They investigate it everyday.
muddywaters,
How many pot growers do you actually know and of those growers what's the percentage of those who grow for personal use vs. commercial use?
If you really did know anyone growing pot I'm sure considering your opinion on the matter that you would have long since narc'ed them out.
Good job MPD....
Really muddwaters?
Where do I get black market cigs and alcohol? I have never seen it.
MARIJUANA IS NEVER INVOLVED WITH CRIME??? COMMON EVERDAY OCCURENCE ASSOCIATED WITH MARIJUANA USAGE!
http://www.marshallnews.com/story/150039...
I know of very few personal pot growers. Most are making money on pot, not just watching it grow into a pretty harmless house plant as some of you would like us to believe. Cigarettes are legal, and the is still a black market on them and alcohol.
...and why is that I can legally brew beer, make wine or distill spirits up to certain amounts and not for resale for my own personal use? How many thousands of deaths can directly be contributed to the consumption of alcohol?
God forbid I grow a little pot for personal use and risk prison. This is the hysteria I speak of.
Many posters constantly cite extreme cases of child abuse or addtiction when it comes to pot while continuing to ignore the fact that the overwhelming majority of pot smokers never have a single negative event be it legal or physical.
Also you cannot lump pot in with coke,crack, meth,heroin,LSD,alcohol or even tobacco in terms of detrimental effects. Of course anyone connected to law enforcement of healthcare will see extreme examples but I guarantee that those are extremely rare when you consider the millions of people who smoke pot.
Let's not forget the shameful raid on 7th Heaven in Sedalia a few months back because they were selling "pot pipes". Those things are nothing but novelties. While it's infuriating for law enforcement to waste valuable resources for such folly, it is also laughable. What are they gonna outlaw next? Tin foil? Deep well sockets? Apples? Pot can be smoked out of anything yet we still hang on to these antiquated views fueled by fear and ignorance.
Finally, as a smoker I am very disappointed with President Obama for enacting another 60cent per pack cigarette tax. Smoking cigarettes, unlike pot, must not be very dangerous or it would be illegal right? The point is why don't they do the same for pot. Legalize,regulate and tax therefore removing the criminal element. Besides in tough economic times with prisons bursting at the seams and having to release prisoners early, maybe we should be more pragmatic about who we send to prison.
I mean I agree that they shouldn't be growing since it is illeagal.. but who have you heard of dieing from smoking some marijuana?
"The only effects of marijuana are happy hungry sleepy"? Even NORML doesn't claim that:
This is from their Web site:
"...cannabis should not necessarily be viewed as a 'harmless' substance. Its active constituents may produce a variety of physiological and euphoric effects. As a result, there may be some populations that are susceptible to increased risks from the use of cannabis, such as adolescents, pregnant or nursing mothers, and patients who have a family history of mental illness. Patients with Hepatitis C, decreased lung function (such as chronic obstructive pulmonary disease), or who have a history of heart disease or stroke may also be at a greater risk of experiencing adverse side effects from marijuana. As with any medication, patients should consult thoroughly with their physician before deciding whether the medicinal use of cannabis is safe and appropriate."
I would suggest if you don't want the MPD to be knocking on your door with a warrant, then don't be growing pot in your house. Marshall is a relatively small community, I am sure it wasn't too difficult for law enforcement to figure out what was going on. In short, it is a dumb thing to do. So don't do it.
The thing that concerns me about cannabis is that as time has gone on (since the 70s) the potency of THC in it has been rising on a hyperbolic curve, rendering past studies of its "in the wild" use, obsolete and outdated. However, I am pretty sure that ever increasing doses of it do not increase the safety of the drug.
It has been my own personal observation that peers that have had decades long cannabis use have suffered neurologically, in social skills, and in personal growth and development, putting a roadblock as it were to reaching their potential as adults, professionally, and as parents.
the only effects of marijuana are happy hungry sleepy.. it's not a drug it's a plant that grows there.. and if you happen to catch it on fire there are some effects.
some people can smoke the reefer and handle it others cannot.its no worse than beer.it is not legal and thats the way it is.ITS seems these people used bad judgement
As someone who has worked in law enforcement and has seen the first hand effects of drugs in general, my opinion is based on the FACT that I saw so many children that were doing with out, because mom and or dad were buying and using drugs. I feel this way because of homes I would see kids with NOTHING but the mom's and dad's were stoned. It was always the saddest thing.My opinion will not change on the subject I have seen many people ruin their lives over drugs and pot is just one of those drugs.
Other things that I have seen first hand is how marijuana can influence people to try more harmful drugs and how the habit can influence people in a less than positive way to get the drug no matter what they have to do to get it. Such as steal to fund the habit. You can find all the web sites you wish to but the law was created because of real life effects, that effect not just the person doing the drug but others around them.
If the pharmecutical companies get thier way it will always be considered a "controlled substance" .
It's all about the money.
The information on the AMA Web site is also excellent, but read *all* of it and note the following: "The AMA recommends that marijuana be retained in Schedule I of the Controlled Substances Act," pending more studies under carefully constructed conditions. It appears that recommendation dates to 2001, from what I can see. The information given is full of technical terms but the summations aren't hard to understand.
Below I have listed the site of the position paper of the American Medical Association concerning marijuana.
The A.M.A. is our nation's most trusted private source of information about things medical. It is generally thought of as a conservative body, and slow to change its position on many subjects. It is the nature of the organization to first exhaustively review existing science , then deliberate the findings, before announcing their position.
This document is approaching ten years since their research was concluded. There may be a more recent position paper by the association.
http://www.ama-assn.org/ama/no-index/abo...
Oklahoma Reader
I like your style.
WTF - thanks for the link. Very interesting.
I would like to invite those who are against the legalization of marijuana or who want to continue to criminalize the activity to get the facts as to why it is actually illegal. Go to the link below and you mind find it very interesting. Keep in mind that everything on the blog is well documented and is not just the opinion of the blogger.
http://blogs.salon.com/0002762/stories/2...
muddywater,
You and everyone else seem to have missed my point or maybe did'nt understand my posts.
You said:
"Hey Dude, Maybe a 2 year old would eat the pot when their parents are stoned out of their mind and not taking care of their child in the first place??"
I'll say it again. Blame the parents not the pot. They could also have been drunk or maybe not paying attention when a child got into the drain cleaner,etc.
As to your comments about driving or flying under the influence. Where in any of my posts did I ever condone such behavior? If you had read my post you would know that I only condone usage by adults and that there is a proper time an place.
You went on to say:
"In years of interviews with people, it has been proven over and over that most hard core drug users started out with Pot. So hey man it's just the happening thing to do isn't it...Da!!"
I still firmly believe that if aquisition of marijuna were removed from the black market and could be obtained from legal sources then access to hard drugs would be diminished. More to the point. Myself and all the other responsible adults who I know that enjoy marijuna on occasion (and there are a lot of them) want nothing to do with the harder drugs. Period. Furthermore, marijuana is readily available to adolescents. Why? Because the black market doesn't require an ID.
There are always exceptions but that doesn't change the facts.
Job well done by the Marshall Police Department!!...Good Job Guys!!
Here are a couple of rational points in a debate that appears to have left reason behind and is now driven by emotion.
Firstly, "its the law" is not an end all answer. There are times when laws must be challenged. It was once "the law" in this country that people could be held in slavery, and beaten by their masters. Many folk did nothing about it, citing "its the law". More recently,within many of our life times, some of our fellow United States citizens were denied the right to vote, the right to live where they chose, and even the right to associate in public places with the rest of us. The majority of us did nothing about it, after all "its the law". I could write paragraph after paragraph citing such examples, but that point is made.
Therefore, every time I hear, or read some one give the pat answer "its the law" as an end all answer I am saddened. I am saddened because it is not, and should never be the end of discussion. It is not the end of discussion, it is actually the point where discussion begins. The first question on any law for every alert citizen should be is it a just law? That should be followed in some order by, is it a law that can be enforced, is the cost to our society of enforcement worth the result, is it a law that time has passed by, leaving it with out relevancy, and if so should it be amended or scrapped? Before beginning to answer these questions the thoughtful citizen should first learn every argument on each side of the issue, then and only then decide where they stand. It is a moral and an illogical mistake to just learn every argument of the side we support.
Unfortunately, most of us are too intellectually lazy to do the hard work that true citizenship entails. When we fail to do that hard work we are cheating ourselves, and cheating our nation of the best we are capable of giving to her for what she has given us. It falls somewhere short of patriotism.
What the f......
Hey Dude, Maybe a 2 year old would eat the pot when their parents are stoned out of their mind and not taking care of their child in the first place??
I don't want someone driving toward me on the highway that just slammed a 6 pack of beer, nor do I want someone driving toward me that just bonged out with Pot...
What is it that you need to escape from by smoking pot? Everyday life and pressures from being such an upstanding and productive citizen??
I've seen numerous arrest for Driving Under the influence of drugs(including Pot), that involved accidents. Guess Pot is so good for you that it should make it okay.
The next time I get on an airplane, I hope the Pilot isn't toking some rope before we head out man. But hey it's not dangerous is it? Maybe all our cops can join in and there wouldn't be any need for jails cause we'd all be happy together!
In years of interviews with people, it has been proven over and over that most hard core drug users started out with Pot. So hey man it's just the happening thing to do isn't it...Da!!
litlmissme,
That is not a good enough reason. Give me a good reason. Why don't you just admit that in your mind anyone who smokes pot is a dirtbag. Seems to me like that is what you are saying. Give me me a viable arguement.No, I will not get over it and I will keep smoking pot at me leisure and continue to be a productive member of society.
Some laws are just wrong. Why don't you get over that?
Why should it end it is an illegal drug. The law is the law. Get over it.
talk about, ALL IN THE FAMILY!!!! :/
It is hysterical and so are you. No one would want a two year old to eat any pot. Blame it on the parents, not the pot. It could have just as easily been a legal substance such as alcohol or drain cleaner. That dog won't hunt.
Just because you cite some extreme examples changes nothing. There are exceptions to every rule. The vast majority of marijuana users are responsible and productive ADULTS who never end up in any emergency situations. I don't condone anything else and yes, like alcohol there is a time a place.
Furthermore the black market environment in which marijuana has to be obtained adds even more dangers.
Exposure to and a source for really dangerous drugs comes to mind. There is not one documented case that I'm aware of where an adult has died soley from ingesting marijuana. You certainly can't say that about alcohol or many other things.
You ask me to walk a mile in your shoes but would you walk a mile in mine? I'm not high and mighty I'm just frustrated, disgusted and jaded.
Apparently what the....f you have never had to
deal with an individual in an emergency setting
that JUST smoked "a little pot". They are incoherent, unresponsibly nonresponsive, and a danger to themselves. Oh and have you ever had to treat a 2 year old that ATE some of those harmless Mary Jane plants??? It ain't real pretty and its real scary.
The long term results of ingesting this DRUG at
2 is unknown for a long time. So before you act all high and mighty about the "hysteria about marijuana",, walk in my shoes buddy!
Here we go again. Life in front of the firing squad for these folks. Once again, the Draconian laws and hysteria about marijuana has got to end.