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Tuesday, December 16, 2008

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  • The first substantial snow of the season is always the trickiest for motorists. How'd everybody do out there today? I listened to the scanner most of the day and while there were some fender-benders and slide-offs, the highway patrol website doesn't list any injury accidents in Saline County. My impression, just a rough guess based on memories of first-snows-past, is that we generally adapted better to slick roads this year than in the recent past.

    So far, anyway.

    -- Posted by Eric Crump on Tue, Dec 16, 2008, at 5:59 PM
  • From what I just heard on KCTV-5, today might have been a walk in the park compared to tomorrow. They're predicting slick roads - "black ice" - and that won't be fun for anybody.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Tue, Dec 16, 2008, at 8:35 PM
  • The last measurable snow in San Antonio was 1985 (13"), but it was too late for Christmas. :(

    Like most kids, I loved the snow and was sad when it was gone. Our house was on the corner, and a great sledding hill a little more than a block long began at the west side of the intersection. Once the snow was packed down good, a running start could take you more than halfway down. :)

    During my high school days, in late fall we'd build a skid we called a bobsled, tied it on the back of a car, and delighted in slinging each other off as we slid around the corners.

    If I lived where it snowed, and if my bones weren't so old, I believe I could enjoy a second childhood. :)

    -- Posted by Slater on Tue, Dec 16, 2008, at 9:58 PM
  • Here's why you don't pay attention to any of those weather forecasters Kathy. I listened to Channel 9 this morning and he said that he thought it was going to be too warm for ice tomorrow and KC would get rain with the icing occuring along the Missouri/Iowa border.

    Go figure!

    -- Posted by momaster on Wed, Dec 17, 2008, at 12:38 PM
  • momaster: Mother Nature always wins, doesn't she?

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Wed, Dec 17, 2008, at 1:37 PM
  • Anyone who lives in the country that has school aged children should read the article about the school board decision. I feel it is horribly wrong. It is a rare occation when school is called off before I leave for work in the morning. The plan they have would mean a trip back home for me if I want my son to go to school, but children in town would have bus transportation. How is this not discrimination against the kids who live in the country. We pay taxes too. That should count for something. It is not fair please attend the next school board meeting and help me to get my point across!

    -- Posted by litlmissme on Wed, Dec 17, 2008, at 4:14 PM
  • I honestly do not think that the Marshall School Board thought this decision about inclement weather through before approving it. Not only is it not fair to the rural students who would not be provided transportation, but what about the school district's staff that live outside of town. Many of these staff members have young children that need to be transported to Marshall to daycare. These staff members will be risking not only their own lives, but the lives of their children, by trying to get to work in bad weather. The article also says that the rural students who miss school on these days won't have much classroom work to make up because the teachers do enhancement activities rather than teaching regular curriculum. If the teachers are not going to be teaching what they would normally teach on a regular school day, then call school off and let the teachers teach what they need to be teaching in the spring. Don't put many lives at risk just to keep from having a snow day. What will it take before the school board and Dr. Noah change their minds? A major accident, maybe killing a student or faculty member. I certainly hope that the school board and Dr. Noah will rethink this issue soon before someone is seriously injured.

    Also, did any of the administration or the school board stop to think about what this will do to the school's ADA (average daily attendance)? This is how the schools receive their funding. Wow! That might be one to think about. When it starts hitting the school's funding, then eyes might open!

    I hope all of the rural student's parents show up for the next school board meeting.

    -- Posted by childadvoc8 on Wed, Dec 17, 2008, at 5:08 PM
  • Here is a little bit from DESE on school transportation -


    -- Posted by Oldblackcat on Wed, Dec 17, 2008, at 6:47 PM
  • Are you kidding me??? Honestly, you can't tell me that the "country" people in our school district are not prepared for bad weather days. Most of these people with children take them to a sitters which is most likely in town. I live 17 miles out of town down 2 miles of gravel road and most of the time I get around just fine in my little car but do have a farm truck (4x4) to drive if the snow is a little too much for my car. Now you can't tell me that the vast majority of out of town people with school age children do not have an alternative plan on snow days anyway. Chances are they drive their kids to town to a sitters or to the YMCA for the day so why not take them to school? As a parent of two kids I'd rather them be at school then at a sitters all day or at home by themselves (not likely). I'd like to know what percent of our student body live on gravel roads and of that percent how many of them stay home on snow days. The school district isn't proposing to never cancel school for bad weather People!!! Frankly, I get miffed when they call off school and I don't have any problems getting to town. Or like yesterday they called school early (which wasn't a problem for the high school since they're doing finals this week)and the roads were fine. I'm not saying a school bus would have it easy on snowy gravel roads but the school district is keeping that in mind. Come up with some other excuse to be mad a the school board/district. This one doesn't fly with me.

    -- Posted by SeekingInfo on Wed, Dec 17, 2008, at 8:58 PM
  • That is part of my point SeekingInfo, I WANT my child to GO to school. I pride myself in going to work and setting a good example for my children. What kind of example is this sitting? Not a good one it is telling the kids that in the future if roads are a bit bad just call in to work ect. ect.I will be at the next school board meeting to speak my point and hope many other rural families will be as well.As you said "I'd like to know what percent of our student body live on gravel roads". I want the same information. I have shown up to work on many occations in my working history where I have traveled over 20 miles to get there to find that many people who live in town much closer to work have called in using the weather as an excuse! I just think that it is unfair that my child does not have the same option to have transportation provided for him. I don't want my child "left behind". It was in the article that they feel it will improve the overall attendance. Is that what this is about more days in school for some so that the school receives more money no matter how many students are not given the option to go, on provided transportaion. Why not discontinue bussing altogether, save the gas money for buses, wages for drivers insurance and expect ALL parents to deliver their children to school? What is good for one student should be good enough for another right?

    -- Posted by litlmissme on Thu, Dec 18, 2008, at 6:18 AM
  • litlmissme, I applaude you for trying to set such a great example for you children. But they have to know that life isn't always fair. We chose to live in the country. With that comes some advantages and some disadvantages. Bus transportation on certain days may be one of those disadvantages. I wasn't at the meeting so I can't say how the attendance thing was actually worded and in what context but I don't think the school district intends to put any of our kids lives at risk during bad weather just for the money. Do you honestly think that is what they ment? I hope you are at the next meeting so you can hear the entire discussion and not just the part that was chosen to be reported in the paper. I'll admit that I happen to be in a job that is flexible right now but prior to changing jobs my boss was very thankful and understanding when I showed up a little late to work when the weather was bad. I agree that there are people in town that use the weather as an excuse to not go to work. That happened at my last job and I went and picked them up. They didn't do it again. I do agree that if I can get to work then the people in town should too. Our societies values on a whole are wacked on many levels and going to work just happens to be one of them huh?

    By the way,Oldblackcat the link you referred to isn't what you think it was...It says: Transportation of pupils by districts, except metropolitan--mileage limits for state aid--extra transportation, district expense--election, ballot form. Ballot Form means to me that this information was proposed not in force. Many schools in and out of our area have alternate bus routes on days that the weather is considered bad but not bad enough to keep kids from school. If this ballot form information is currently in place with DESE then there are a lot of school districts in trouble? I doubt that is the case.

    -- Posted by SeekingInfo on Thu, Dec 18, 2008, at 8:19 AM
  • I too looked at the link and do not think it applies to this situation, but I have been down this road before on the same topic involving transportation to and from summer school which until the most recent years was only provided for those who live in town. In fact one year my daughter went to one school in the morning and I had to provide transportation in the middle of the day for her to switch classes at yet another school. Thank goodness a teacher noticed and helped me out by offering a ride so I did not have to use my 1/2 hour lunch hour to do so. I am willing to make many concessions to see to it that my children get a quality education. I feel Marshall school district provides that but what is good for one is good for all. My child or any other child's education should not suffer because of this or any other issue. Yes, I do beleive that the school district will benefit monitarily by having more in session days, however I do not see the differnce it makes if those are held in the winter or spring, so that is a mute point.My tax dollars should pay for the exact benefits that those who live in town get, transportation, and education.

    -- Posted by litlmissme on Thu, Dec 18, 2008, at 8:40 AM
  • You know, I think all of you that are bashing the school board and Dr. Noah need to take a step back and think! Put yourself in there shoes...they're just trying to do what is right for the children. They want them to be in school as much as possible to get their education, and yet keep them safe at the same time. They're damned if they do and damned if they don't! Why can't we just respect their decisions and back them up. Many other school districts do have this same implement weather plan and I'm surprised that we haven't had one like this in effect sooner. I think Dr. Noah is doing an awesome job! Merry Christmas to all you scrooges!

    -- Posted by karma is real on Thu, Dec 18, 2008, at 8:49 AM
  • Just for the record I feel the school board does an excellent job and in no way am I bashing them that is not my point at all.

    -- Posted by litlmissme on Thu, Dec 18, 2008, at 9:10 AM
  • I doubt your taxes are over $600.00 per year so smokin' where do you want to exchange tax forms?

    -- Posted by litlmissme on Thu, Dec 18, 2008, at 9:12 AM
  • Isn't there a compromise here? Other school districts use "snow routes" and talk about using blacktop roads only. For instance, the school district could set up proposed pickup areas on blacktop roads around the county. Then the busses would stay off the gravel roads, but still country kids could get bus transportation to school. In littlemissme's case, she could perhaps work with an area parent, to make sure her son got to the nearest blacktop road.

    To say, its okay, don't come to school, we'll just give the other kids busy work, seems ridiculous. Why make the other kids go to school then?

    As for taxes, lets not get into that. I would be willing to bet that farm owners pay a large percentage of school taxes.

    Yes, people choose to live in the country, but they have done that with the understanding that school bus service is available everyday school is in session.

    As far as gravel roads go, snow is not usually the problem as county road graders do come through, but ice can be a problem. In an ice storm, gravel roads can become an ice rink, and a 4 X 4 will not help the situation. In town, they use salt and get the main roads cleared faster, but that isn't an option for gravel roads.

    -- Posted by judgmental bast*** on Thu, Dec 18, 2008, at 9:55 AM
  • at least the school district doesn't promote smoking cigarettes like that addict kathy fairchild does in her latest blog entry.

    she speaks of "never quitting". says smoking is like her "best friend". and she continues her pro-addiction ranting about mothers who smoke are the "cool" moms.

    shocking and outrageous!

    -- Posted by Eff Ess on Thu, Dec 18, 2008, at 10:37 AM
  • Her blog entry is very disturbing. she implies that she could quit her addiction if she wanted, but that she simply doesn't want to. yes, Kathy, people really want to have addictions. meth addicts want to be addicted to meth? alcoholics want their problems? according to kathy's logic they would and could quit at any time. That is just absurd. Her entry is just a peek inside an addict's mind(which appears to be a cold and lonely place).

    Carl Peterson will gone. and now all we need is kathy to be gone at the end of the season as well.

    -- Posted by SecretAgentMichaelScarn on Thu, Dec 18, 2008, at 11:12 AM
  • just for our home and cars, the acreage is seperate

    -- Posted by litlmissme on Thu, Dec 18, 2008, at 12:45 PM
  • Does anyone else get frustrated with the outrageous prices the Lighthouse Thrift Store charges for the things that are donated to them? I feel that they are pricing things so high that those less fortunate can no longer go there to furnish their homes. I personally refuse to donate my belongings to the thrift store because they have gotten so greedy. I wish there was someplace in town that actually helped people that needed it and gave items away to needy families. They would get my donations every time!

    -- Posted by ALM on Thu, Dec 18, 2008, at 2:18 PM
  • ALM, I have noticed the increased prices at the Lighthouse Thrift Store. Some things are actually more expensive than I could buy new. I used to shop there a lot, but the prices are so outrageous now that I don't even bother stopping in. There's nothing "thrifty" about it anymore.

    -- Posted by born-n-raised on Thu, Dec 18, 2008, at 2:30 PM
  • Can we give Kathy a break on the smoking issue. Nowhere in her blog did she promote smoking. She just states that she smokes and chooses not to quit. Additionally, she's not saying every addict can easily quit what they are addicted to. She's saying that she's made the choice to smoke. When someone takes their first drink they don't say to themselves, "I want to be an alcoholic", they may become one but they didn't set out to be one. I'm sure when Kathy lit up her first cigarette it was because someone she admired smoked and she wanted to be like that person. She didn't think to herself that she wanted to become addicted to cigarettes. But at this point in her life she knows all the risks of smoking and assumes those risks. She knows that of all addictions out there that smoking cessation is something that there are many products and other sources to help one quit if that is what they choose. She enjoys smoking. As long as she is not doing it in a closed room around other people, or children, or in any other way being rude about it, she has the right to make that choice. So, if Kathy chooses to smoke, knowing the risks, and not in anyway making it a nuisance to others, do we have to bust her hump for simply writing about it in her blog. And, no I am not a smoker defending another smoker, as a matter of fact I don't smoke, I just don't think Kathy is a bad person just because she has a bad habit.

    -- Posted by Typesetter on Thu, Dec 18, 2008, at 2:58 PM
  • Thanks, Typesetter! Couldn't have said it better myself. The point, of course, is that it IS always a choice. There's probably no one past grade school age who doesn't know that about cigarettes, alcohol or any other drug. It may be true that the addiction to alcohol and illegal drugs is a harder habit to break, but it still involves that first choice.

    I didn't start smoking until I was in my 20's, and have made the effort to quit many times. Although medical advances have made it much easier, breaking the habit for good has been tough. It's become easy to quit but hard to maintain much past a year or so. It's always "a work in progress," I guess.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Thu, Dec 18, 2008, at 3:11 PM
  • We usally donate all of our items to the Butterfield store on the west side of the square. They use the clothing and money raised to help the kids of butterfield.

    -- Posted by mofireman on Thu, Dec 18, 2008, at 3:23 PM
  • I also recommend Butterfields Village Cellar for your donations.Ever since the Lighthouse {which started out as a very worthy charity} Became the "trendy" thrift store they have priced themselves way out of the market of trying to help needy familys..They seem to think they have become an antique store

    -- Posted by GOCHIEFS on Thu, Dec 18, 2008, at 3:32 PM
  • I think you are unjustly picking on the Lighthouse and it's prices. If you want cheaper prices (and probably cheaper items), you should check out the week-end yard sales.

    -- Posted by i'mback/didyoumissme on Thu, Dec 18, 2008, at 4:57 PM
  • Seems like alot of the stuff at theses so called "thrift stores" are the things that didnt sell at " last weekends" garage sales"

    -- Posted by GOCHIEFS on Thu, Dec 18, 2008, at 5:38 PM
  • I have no problem with smokers.....as long as they are 100% financially responsible for their health care. Health care costs for smokers should not effect my pocket, but they do. It effects EVERYONE'S pocket.

    -- Posted by born-n-raised on Thu, Dec 18, 2008, at 6:41 PM
  • I want to ask this town a question.

    How much of Marshall are you going to sell to Con Agra?

    How many public streets are you going to allow them to close?

    This is a company that is right off the square and will soon be closer to the square. In my opinion if Con Agra wants to expand they should be made to move to the Industral park where they belong in the first place. If the people of Marshall keep allowing them to do what ever they want than we mite as well rename the Town Con Agraville. There trucks drive up and around the square (Which is aginst the Law from what I remember) (They have chemicals that if release would be deadly and still there located in the middle of town!)

    Come on Marshall take back your town and stand behind the history of Marshall, Don't let Companys destroy it because you think they may bring in more jobs. Con Agra Out sources Labor and highers people from out side of town to work there.

    -- Posted by Selmac8 on Thu, Dec 18, 2008, at 7:04 PM
  • Thank God for ConAgra. It is one of the biggest, if not currently THE biggest employers, in Saline County. If they need a city street to expand to create more jobs, then I say give them two!! It may be inconvenient to travel an extra block to get to your destination, but be thankful. Without ConAgra, Marshall would be in dire straits.

    -- Posted by born-n-raised on Thu, Dec 18, 2008, at 7:23 PM
  • Some of you who were offended by Ms. Fairchild's posting regarding smoking should light up...oops I meant lighten up.

    Seriously, if you are not a smoker you should go back and reread her piece. It will help you to understand why we smokers smoke. It may even put you in a better position to understand, and perhaps help friends, and relatives who are addicted.

    One of you groused about having to pay extra for health care because of the high cost of medical care for smokers. Do you also complain in the same manner, and for the same reasons about the obese? How about the anorexics, the alcoholics, those who have poor nutrition? Oh yes, and those who choose to ride their motor cycles without a helmet? Well, maybe they shouldn't be considered with the others I have categorized since they make such good organ donors, and that is a trade off.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Dec 18, 2008, at 11:24 PM
  • OK Reader: You make a very good point about the post from someone regarding higher medical costs for smokers. We are not the only ones who are engaging in risky behavior with medical consequences.

    The percentage of people who indulge in risky behaviors is far higher than we might assume.

    People who refuse to wear seat belts, who drink to excess, who drink and drive, who don't get flu shots, who abuse both legal and illegal drugs, who don't have their children immunized, who don't get regular exercise, who won't take prescribed medications for their serious health problems, who don't maintain a healthy weight - all of those people and more are also engaging in risky behavior for which we all eventually pay higher medical costs.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Fri, Dec 19, 2008, at 5:49 AM
  • Kathy & OK Reader - I appreciate your responses to the non-smokers. I wonder if these people realize how much tax revenue comes from every pack of cigarettes that is purchased. As for insurance costs, we pay more car insurance and WAY more for life insurance. I don't bother anyone with my choice to smoke. It would be difficult to quit but ask an obese person to move back from the table and see the response. Alcoholism is considered a "sickness" so insurance companies have paid for programs for them and will even pay for rehab for alcoholics and drug addicts. Drinking and using are a choice. How many insurance companies pay for smokers programs? Very few. Chantix is a great drug - our insurance doesn't pay for it but charges us a higher premium for smoking. Just another side of the issue.

    -- Posted by Air Force Wife on Fri, Dec 19, 2008, at 7:45 AM
  • way to go smokers (applause). good job turning the tables and make smoking not about you, but about the obese and people who don't wear seat belts. stop hiding behind fat people (even though it is a good hiding place) and cars that don't get their seatbelts used.

    and seriously airforce wife? "I don't bother anyone with my choice to smoke." what? do you live in a bubble? that is a ridiculous statement.

    -- Posted by SecretAgentMichaelScarn on Fri, Dec 19, 2008, at 8:04 AM
  • AF Wife: You raise another good point - tax revenue from alcohol and cigarettes is a very big number in most states, especially with the increases on both in recent years.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Fri, Dec 19, 2008, at 8:07 AM
  • Scarn: I feel I must share this Mark Twain quote with you:

    "In all matters of opinion, our adversaries are insane."

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Fri, Dec 19, 2008, at 8:09 AM
  • "The believing we do something when we do nothing is the first illusion of tobacco."

    -Ralph Waldo Emerson

    Obviously Mark Twain had a skewed view of the world.

    -- Posted by SecretAgentMichaelScarn on Fri, Dec 19, 2008, at 8:32 AM
  • LOLOL, Scarn, as do you.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Fri, Dec 19, 2008, at 8:33 AM
  • And, come to think of it, as do we all. Our opinions, our beliefs, are all structured and shaped by our upbringing and our life's experiences. We don't all have the same opinions, and that is a very good thing.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Fri, Dec 19, 2008, at 8:52 AM
  • S.A.M. Scarn: One should not judge a book by its cover. However, you cause me to ponder whether or not one can judge a book with many covers.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Dec 19, 2008, at 9:04 AM
  • Scarn - No one is turning the tables - simply responding to biased remarks. I don't live in a bubble but I do not smoke in public places, I do not inpose my smoke on anyone else so my choice shouldn't bother you and does not affect you. Talk about rediculous - I never said smoking wasn't about me. It's ALL about me and my choices. Do you choose to drink? Do you choose to be obese? Those choices are all about the individual. Now if you drive on public roads after drinking, that makes it about everyone you are putting in danger. Does my choice to smoke in my car put you in any kind of danger? Besides, I have never nor would I ever hide "behind" obese people - not a place I want to be.

    -- Posted by Air Force Wife on Fri, Dec 19, 2008, at 9:59 AM
  • I'm not hearing any discussion about the effects of second-hand smoke, but I suppose the inexorable push toward banning smoking in all public places (as some cities have done already) is centered around the potential harm of second-hand smoke.

    Several valid points have been raised here, not the least of which is the monetary aspect associated with the sale of tobacco products, along with the subsequent health issues resulting from their use. However, other arguments are fallacious, like obesity and alcohol/drug consumption, since neither of these two issues literally pollute the environment.

    I read KF's opinion after reading some of the discussion here, and I do agree with her point that anyone abusing tobacco and/or drugs (to include alcohol) can quit if they REALLY want to stop. The physical addiction can be eliminated, but sometimes the psychological addiction is the greater hurdle.

    I smoked for 20-25 years before quitting in 1984, and when I quit I still enjoyed the habit, but I was determined to stop, for the sake of my family's health, for my own health, and for the savings I'd realize by not spending the money - a pack of cigarettes back then was around $1.10 or so, as I recall. I was a one-pack-a-day smoker.

    Now, I avoid places where smoking is permitted, but I don't chastise those who smoke. As KF stated, it's their choice, just like it's my choice to stay out of the smoke-filled parlors.

    Summing up, I can only say that all of you who berate the smokers, or the drug users, or anyone whose behaviors and attitudes are contrary to your own, are wasting your breath. The harder you beat on them, the more resistant they'll become to your argument. When they're REALLY ready to quit, they will.

    -- Posted by Slater on Fri, Dec 19, 2008, at 10:40 AM
  • you know i have never ask for help but I lost my job due to my health and i have

    6 grandkids expecting

    gifts but no money and I am asking for help i have 4 girls and 3 boys i am asking for help for to get gits if any one can help it would be great and it would make 6 kids happy please have a heart and help. Make 6kids christmas a joyful one.

    thank you the ages are 8 4 3 3 1 4 months i have never ask for help before and i am upset that i can't afford to shop for them this year. So I am asking for help just this one time.

    -- Posted by nanaof5 on Fri, Dec 19, 2008, at 11:22 AM
  • I am concerned about the comments made about the Lighthouse Thrift Store and misconception about their prices. I don't mind paying a fair price for an item that is good condition and the prices charged at this store especially for clothing, are among the best in our area. Including those charged by other thrift stores in surrounding counties. I have bought a lot of good clothing there for a quarter. The store also has the HOPE Program (Helping Other People Everyday Program). This program gives items free to people in our area that may have had a tragedy (fire, flood, etc.). They also have the HOPE II Program that allows people with little financial resources to volunteer to help at the store in exchange for merchandise. The store also gives anyone entering the shelter without clothing the opportunity to get clothes, shoes, and coats for free. They also give away clothing to this community several times a year. They pay rent, utilities and employ people in our community. This store and organization do a lot to help those in need in our community. They have had a tough year, especially when they lost their building. I would hate to lose them. I will continue to support them by shopping there and donating to them. Keep up the good work Lighthouse!

    -- Posted by bbnk on Fri, Dec 19, 2008, at 11:44 AM
  • I applaud the Lighthouse for all the good that they do for this community. It would be a shame, however, if they priced their selves out of business. I'm curious to know if their sales have gone down since their prices went up? Cheaper pricing creates loyal and frequent customers, thus more potential for sales.

    -- Posted by born-n-raised on Fri, Dec 19, 2008, at 12:13 PM
  • NANO.....Try the lighthouse shelter on Arrow st. I hear they will help. Good Luck

    -- Posted by marshallmom67 on Fri, Dec 19, 2008, at 1:08 PM
  • to born-n-raised - I have shopped the Lighthouse Thrift Store for 2 years. Their prices have not gone up as far as I can see - they have done a great job in putting out better merchandise and increasing the type of items available via this type of retailer in our community. Do you ask other retailers in this community how and why they price the items in their stores as they do? I bet not because you certainly have not done so here.

    -- Posted by bbnk on Fri, Dec 19, 2008, at 1:49 PM
  • nanaof5 - You should also try 65 Flea Market. They have a huge variety of stuff. Great for Christmas!

    -- Posted by Green Eyes on Fri, Dec 19, 2008, at 1:57 PM
  • In response to ALM's comment about the prices at the Lighthouse Thrift Store, I have done a little research into the subject. According to Lighthouse Shelter Executive Director Debbie Wallace, prices have not been raised. If you go to the website below and click on donations, you can see one of the guidelines the store uses when pricing items.


    Wallace concedes that some items may be priced too high, but she says others are probably priced too low. They also give away about $2,000-worth of items a month to people who are in need.

    Wallace invites people with concerns about the store to call her at 660-886-9880.

    -- Posted by Sydney Stonner on Fri, Dec 19, 2008, at 2:17 PM
  • rex: Obviously you didn't read the blog closely. I didn't say smoking was cool and certainly didn't recommend anyone try it, least of all teenagers. Splash that mud around if you wish, but it doesn't stick.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Fri, Dec 19, 2008, at 3:34 PM
  • Cheetah - Good to see you. The weird news, yeah, it's a great source of amusement. Just when you think you've heard it all, somebody comes up with a new way to be, well, weird.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Fri, Dec 19, 2008, at 5:20 PM
  • Cheetah, since you like the Weird News column, try this site:


    -- Posted by Slater on Fri, Dec 19, 2008, at 7:34 PM
  • I'm curious how anyone else feels about the school district adopting a late start policy for days like we have had lately? Would it be a positive to send our children out later after salt trucks and snow plows have had a chance to do their thing, or would we like to just call the entire day off?

    Other schools have it and it seems to be working fine. Any thoughts?

    Also, one other observation. Why is it that "we" the public offer our negative thoughts more than we offer our positive thoughts? Case in point, when a teacher or business person does something great or offers a service ( Dave Meyer getting his head shaved for a fund raiser, a school teacher trying to bring a new art program into our high school or a park director improving our parks), all they get for comments is how good the photo looks or wow, I haven't seen him since we graduated. BUT,instead we love to slam them and make negative comments to STOP progress and good deeds. What's the deal? Eh?

    -- Posted by Greg House on Fri, Dec 19, 2008, at 8:36 PM
  • Greg,

    Late start is an idea to consider. It works where I live but this is a major city. All roads are paved. Marshall bus drivers deal with lots of gravel roads that can get pretty bad in snow and ice. I am amazed at how they traverse some of these roads in big bus in good weather. If the schools can figure a way to do it in a safe manor. I say go for it.

    -- Posted by ghostwriter1978 on Sat, Dec 20, 2008, at 9:23 AM
  • I don't smoke but every one else in my house does,and I really don't like it due to it makes my clothes and house smell like cigarettes,I have ask them to go to the laundry room to smoke but no and they get ashes all over, if it drops on floor they leave it i follow clean it up there are several ashtrays but can they hit them NO! they manage to get ashes on my end tables and coffee table I get so mad I told them "If you can't hit the ashtrays then stop smoking the **** things or go outside to smoke" well no change so far. I don't like my house and clothes smelling like smoke.

    -- Posted by nanaof5 on Sat, Dec 20, 2008, at 9:29 AM
  • Nanaof5, who pays the bills that provides that roof over head? Heats the home? Supplies the water? Puts food on the table? If the answer is you, then I'd say, your home, your rules.

    If that doesn't work, I'd invest in one of those kitchen fire extinguishers. Once they've lit up, take your little red wonder and open it up on them. Once their cigerette's out and ther're looking at you in astonishment with the white powder all over their face....simply respond you thought they were on fire since you saw smoke. I'll guess they won't forget that lesson any time soon and will beg to step outside. Thought to ponder.

    -- Posted by Greg House on Sat, Dec 20, 2008, at 5:10 PM
  • nanaof5 - I agree with you. I don't smoke in my own home - I go out on the deck even if it is cold. It leaves a horrible odor, stains on walls, and is messy. I don't smoke if anyone is in my car with me, I sit in the non-smoking section of restaurants and can't stand bars because I can't stand other people's smoke around me. But, I also don't like wood burning fireplaces or stoves for these same reasons.

    I am VERY considerate of non-smokers thus the reason I get defensive when people criticize anyone who smokes, put us all in the same category, blame us for health care costs, etc. Very few smokers actually think it's cool or ever thought we would develop such a nasty habit when we lit up the first time. So get off our backs. If someone is in your space and smoking, politely ask them not to or move away. We all have rights.

    -- Posted by Air Force Wife on Sat, Dec 20, 2008, at 5:41 PM
  • I should have added - I believe any non-smoker has the right to ask that no one smoke in their home no matter who pays the bills. It's called respect.

    -- Posted by Air Force Wife on Sat, Dec 20, 2008, at 5:43 PM
  • To Air Force Wife:I have ask them to go outside,but they seemed to ignore the fact I don't like my house to smell of smoke I also don't like wood stoves because of the odor it leaves on clothes and in your home,My parents smoke but they go outside when its warm or in laundry room with window open and whats upsets me is when they drop ashes just where ever on floor, tables there are ash trays for that it just gets to be a pain to clean up after them. But I don't disrespect people that smoke at all.

    -- Posted by nanaof5 on Sat, Dec 20, 2008, at 7:18 PM
  • AF Wife and others: I'm with you on the issue of smoking in someone else's house - totally out of line, especially when you've asked them not to, and not using ashtrays???? Wow - that's beyond inconsiderate.

    Until I was sitting at home last winter for six weeks with my leg in a brace, we always went outside or downstairs to the basement, so we started smoking in the house again and haven't stopped. It's not a happy situation - I don't like the way the house smells AT ALL. Another try at quitting is in the works, though - I have hopes of making it this time!

    I try hard not to bother other people with my habit - that's why my blood pressure spikes when somebody's hammering on everyone who smokes as being inconsiderate. Some are, no question, and I think House's method of the kitchen fire extinguisher for engregious violators like the ones nanof5 is talking about is not only hilarious but entirely justified.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Sat, Dec 20, 2008, at 7:37 PM
  • Kathy - Chantix does work. My nephew was a 3 pack a day smoker - took Chantix for 2 months, hasn't smoked in 6 months. I took it for 1 month, quit for 4. Had a crisis so it was too easy to buy a pack and I haven't tried to quit since. Having a spouse in a war adds too much stress to even try right now.

    I have grandchildren and get really upset if someone smokes around them. I won't argue the second hand smoke issue because I believe it to be harmful - I have no doubt that it is.

    -- Posted by Air Force Wife on Sat, Dec 20, 2008, at 9:17 PM
  • Kathy, I've heard good things about Chantix,too. I hope you have success in quitting.

    -- Posted by born-n-raised on Sat, Dec 20, 2008, at 9:34 PM

    He will be cast aside, no longer a menace in the public sector, left to tout some lie filled memoir that he really didn't write, and likely won't read. One that continues his deception of self and the nation, masking his true story that has run endlessly from broken toys to failed business ploys, and ultimately to thousands of broken boys.

    He leaves in his destructive wake a broken city that he first ignored, and since has failed to reconstruct. At least two broken nations, one with a million dead, more millions displaced, with a landscape that is an environmental nightmare. The other with a broken financial system, millions of displaced workers, and a grim future that will not fully recover its promise and prosperity for decades if ever.

    We should all hang our heads in shame that we allowed this menace to slither into the Whitehouse once, and be further humbled that we were so stupid, and so ignorant, that we gave him a pass for four more years of nightmarish destruction.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Dec 21, 2008, at 4:13 AM
  • AF Wife: My thoughts are with you and your family - it must be unbelievably difficult to have your loved one at risk.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Sun, Dec 21, 2008, at 6:29 AM
  • OK Reader - go ahead and hang your head if you want - I won't. Things could be much worse and according to financial experts the housing market hasn't even come close to hitting bottom. There are still going to be many rogues and criminals in D.C. so don't cheer that one too loudly. It took 10 years for the results of bad decisions to affect the public financial markets so if you believe that a new President can stop the ignorance, think again. It's easy to blame GW and I doubt he cares but don't judge all of us as being stupid and ignorant because not all of us agree with you.

    Kathy - thank you. This is the most difficult time of year to not have a loved one at home whether it be with the military any other reasons.

    -- Posted by Air Force Wife on Sun, Dec 21, 2008, at 7:47 AM
  • AF Wife - The Christmas I was 12, my father was home for the holiday, but had to leave the next day for an extended TDY and we didn't see him for more than three months and not in time for my birthday. A few weeks ago, I came across a letter he wrote me for my 13th birthday. Doesn't seem possible it was such a long time ago, or that we could still be fighting overseas. We thought the Cold War was bad - I don't think most of us imagined where we'd be today, with our soldiers still at risk. Doesn't really matter how we got there - let's hope that next Christmas will bring us a change for the better, especially for you and your family and all the others whose sons and daughters are away from home.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Sun, Dec 21, 2008, at 8:37 AM
  • AFW, well said. Natalie -- oops, I mean Oklahoma should not be jumping too high. I hope the best for the new administration. Anxious to see how much Clinton -- oops I mean "change" really happens.

    And, thank you for the sacrifices that you and your family are making so the folks like Natalie -- oops, I mean Oklahoma, can have the freedom to speak.

    BTW, what was the name of that girl band????

    -- Posted by missy08 on Sun, Dec 21, 2008, at 8:40 AM
  • Bush, was & is, a pathetic little man!We will never be respected again, until they are all Prosecuted for war Crimes! I knew when i first seen him he was a fool! Oklahoma! glad to see you back. what's happend to Bill from Raytown?

    -- Posted by Jo on Sun, Dec 21, 2008, at 9:52 AM
  • Kathy and any other hope to be ex smokers:

    I applaude your efforts to quit and know that it's very hard to do. I was a one pack a day smoker for 11 or 12 years and finally quit...for good.

    I'm sorry to say that I don't have a magic bullet. I didn't try patches and the gum was too nasty to keep trying. Instead, it was just shear will power. I finished my last pack of camel lights and didn't buy another pack. Was I tempted, yes. My apartment was broken into twice during that time and had it not been for my girlfriend...now my wife, I would have stormed into the local conveinence store and lit up.

    What i do know is that in order to be successful, you not only have to put down the cigerettes, but you also have to change your habits. If you smoke when you drink, if you smoke when you get into your car, if you smoke after you eat, all of those triggers are going to be there and you have to be ready to substitute something for that cigerette. A red and white star mint, a tic tac, a tooth pick, somthing that gives you an oral stimulant. The other thing I'd suggest, if you do smoke in the house or car, get it professionally cleaned right before you quit. That familiar smell will cause a trigger as well.

    Doctor's say it's the hardest thing to quit. But it can be done. I've been smoke free for over 4 years and I feel so much better. I know you can quit....go for it.

    -- Posted by Greg House on Sun, Dec 21, 2008, at 10:10 AM
  • Greg - thanks for the words of encouragement. I love hearing success stories from people who have the will power to quit. The thing I noticed most when I quit for 4 months was that food tasted so much better so weight gain is my biggest fear. I work outside as much as possible and spend the summer on the water so a pack will last me 3 days. Being that light of a smoker it should be easier to quit but I always seem to find some excuse not to.

    One note on Chantix - I did have horrible dreams which the Dr. said was a normal complaint from taking it. People have different effects from it - I knew one person who could not sleep while taking it. The patch was too strong for me and I never chew gum so that wasn't an option. I will quit some day though.

    As for the issues people have with Bush - does anyone realize that the Iraqi journalist would have been be-headed for throwing a shoe at Suddam? Or had we not gone after the Taliban on their territory, our land could be the wasteland from war? How soon and so sad for us that people forget anything good and only remember the bad.

    -- Posted by Air Force Wife on Sun, Dec 21, 2008, at 12:29 PM
  • I too quit smoking, but only after two heart attacks. I knew I had to or die before I hit 45. It was one of the hardest things I have ever done. Yes, I have gained weight (lots) but am trying to tackle that. It is worth it to see my kids and grandkids grow. Best of luck to any one who plans to quit. Remember the only way to do it is one day at a time, and make up your mind for your self this is it! I am stronger than a cigareette. By the way I was a two pack a day smoker and started at 13 and quit at 43. 30 years! and I did it! You can too if YOU WANT TO!

    -- Posted by litlmissme on Sun, Dec 21, 2008, at 1:43 PM
  • Thanks to all for tips and encouragement. It's appreciated. One comment I almost forgot to make - as hard as it is to quit smoking, I think it must be far more difficult to lose weight than to quit smoking. When you give up smoking, you give it up altogether - when you try to lose weight, you can't just give up eating; instead you have to control what you eat. I have tried several times just to cut down on how much I smoke (i.e. control it), and I find that much, much harder to do than to just quit outright.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Sun, Dec 21, 2008, at 5:40 PM
  • I have tried on a number of occasions to quit smoking. It is very hard. But it's true that you have to truly want it in order to quit. On the other end, I have lost 50 pounds in about a year. It was hard, sure, but you have to truly want it. I didn't just control what I ate or eat smaller portions, I had a complete lifestyle change. I only hope one day I feel about smoking as I did my weight...to get rid of it!

    -- Posted by Green Eyes on Mon, Dec 22, 2008, at 8:12 AM
  • I took Zyban once, have done the patch several times, tried the gum, too (BLEAGH!). The side effect list on Chantix bothers me to the extent I'm not going to try it.

    All of them work, at least for me. The problem is not quitting itself. It's staying away from the habit once it's broken - a big, big challenge.

    We'll see what happens this time!

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Mon, Dec 22, 2008, at 4:03 PM
  • Even better than Wellbutrin is Chantix (sp??). I know of any number of people who were able to quit taking it. It's expensive I've been told but if you're doctor will write you a prescription, our county public health office will order it for you at their cost.

    -- Posted by barebackrider on Mon, Dec 22, 2008, at 4:05 PM
  • Chantix is great! I haven't smoked in over a month, after smoking for 20 years. Really helped with the cravings. And this is after Wellbutrin, the patch, the gum, the lozenges, the herbal cigarettes. Thought nothing would ever work. But This made it a lot easier!

    -- Posted by joboda on Mon, Dec 22, 2008, at 5:01 PM
  • KF, everything you're saying sounds as if you're not ready to stop.

    Since it's 90+% psychological, stop treating it as some kind of extraordinary event and begin thinking of it as something ordinary but necessary, like a trip to the supermarket, or to the post exchange at Whiteman.

    When I stopped, it wasn't planned. I took out the last cigarette in the pack, looked at it and told myself to enjoy it, because it was going to be the last one. Period. That was June 17, 1984, and I've not been tempted.

    Agreed, it's easier said than done. You know how to focus on all the positive aspects. Go for it!! What better gift to give yourself and those close to you?

    -- Posted by Slater on Mon, Dec 22, 2008, at 5:12 PM
  • Maybe we should start our own little support group on a blog. That's one of the things Chantix has is a buddy system - as with any treatment. Wellbutrin caused major weight gain for me. Chantix stopped the nicotine craving, just had the horrible dreams. The habit of lighting up is the hard part. Holding an unlit one helps.

    -- Posted by Air Force Wife on Mon, Dec 22, 2008, at 7:35 PM
  • Slate - that's an approach I hadn't thought of - just treat it like an ordinary event instead of major rip in the cosmos. You've correctly surmised I'm not as committed as I need to be, but you've certainly given me something to think about.

    AF Wife - holding an unlit cigarette, wow, I don't know! One thing that worked before was keeping a supply of plastic drinking straws on hand. One straw cut in half is approximately the right size, so I just chewed on them instead of the real thing.

    It's funny how some of the helper drugs have such odd side effects. I lost 10 pounds (which I didn't need to do) on Zyban, but had the wild dreams, too, and I didn't like that at all. They were truly terrifying.

    Your idea of a separate blog for help and support it a good one. If we set a target date, that might work pretty well! We can express our frustrations there!

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Mon, Dec 22, 2008, at 9:28 PM
  • I find that I smoke more when driving so holding an un-lit cig helps. Also, we don't smoke in our RV or truck and I'm always a little nervous driving those anyway. I will have to try straws.

    -- Posted by Air Force Wife on Tue, Dec 23, 2008, at 7:16 AM
  • I've never smoked so I'm not gonna stand here and tell everyone it should be easy to stop. I've seen friends struggle with it and others stop with very little effort. My brother had smoked for 20+ years. One evening he was feeling the early effects of the flu. He smoked the last cigarette in his pack and went to bed. He woke up the next day with full blown flu and spent the next two days in bed. With no cigarettes on hand, and too ill to go to town, he went without for those two days. That was about 15 years ago and he hasn't smoked since and swears he is never tempted.

    I certainly wish good luck to anyone who attempts to quit. From the stories I hear, it sounds like you'll be very happy you did.

    -- Posted by outsider on Tue, Dec 23, 2008, at 10:42 AM
  • Nice photo gallery of the MHS and Malta Bend Christmas concerts! What talented young people.

    -- Posted by Muffin on Tue, Dec 23, 2008, at 1:15 PM
  • I have a suggestion for anyone who is serious about quitting, I am setting Jan. 1 as my date. I have 2 months of Chantix, am starting it tomorrow, and want my last cig. to be New Years Eve. I will do it!

    BTW - if anyone else takes Chantix - make sure you never take it on an empty stomach. I did once and was very sick.

    -- Posted by Air Force Wife on Tue, Dec 23, 2008, at 5:59 PM
  • On this, the eve of Christmas Eve, I wanted to post a couple of comments regarding the upcoming Christmas Holiday that I found very interesting.

    According to the Census Bureau, the U.S. Imports over $600 million worth of Christmas tree ornaments from China each year. We need to get our local glass blowing high school group to start making ornaments!

    The average animatronic figurine in a Christmas window at Macy's cycles over two million times during the season. What is an animatronic figurine you might ask? Why it is one of those beautiful moving figures in the department store windows that seem to come to life. That is a lot of moving and shaking!

    Merry Christmas Marshall

    Karen Mullins-Lamb

    -- Posted by writerintraining on Tue, Dec 23, 2008, at 7:11 PM
  • I'm wishing everyone Happy Holidays!!!!!!!!! I hope you're at peace with the world.

    -- Posted by Slater on Tue, Dec 23, 2008, at 8:48 PM
  • happy holidays to all

    -- Posted by foster on Tue, Dec 23, 2008, at 11:26 PM
  • Wishing everyone and happy and safe holiday!!!

    -- Posted by missouriwoman3 on Wed, Dec 24, 2008, at 10:51 AM
  • Merry Christmas to one and all! I hope your holiday brings you much joy. I am sending out a special prayer for our brave men and women over seas and to those who have lost so much just recently.

    Happy Holidays everyone!

    -- Posted by Greg House on Thu, Dec 25, 2008, at 7:51 AM
  • Help wanted! We at the paper have gotten a tip that someone named Shannon, a dental hygienist who used to live here, is going to be on the upcoming season of The Bachelor on ABC. Does anyone know more about this? A last name would be especially helpful.


    -- Posted by Sydney Stonner on Fri, Dec 26, 2008, at 9:36 AM
  • Bair is the last name. I believe her parents still live here.

    -- Posted by Cheese on Fri, Dec 26, 2008, at 10:04 AM
  • Cheese,

    Thanks a lot! Very helpful.

    -- Posted by Sydney Stonner on Fri, Dec 26, 2008, at 10:34 AM
  • Mike and Brenda Bair are her parents. She graduated from MHS.

    -- Posted by missy08 on Fri, Dec 26, 2008, at 1:09 PM
  • Here sister Jenny is my friend on Facebook. Here Facebook address is http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=582612787

    -- Posted by riclin1 on Tue, Dec 30, 2008, at 10:09 AM
  • -- Posted by What the f...... on Tue, Dec 30, 2008, at 11:31 AM
  • Dear Selmac8: you are preaching to the choir. You should be talking to the city council and the city planners. they are the powers that be as far as zoning for commercial properties. I left Marshall many years ago. Some areas have improved, some have not. Having that eyesore so close the the square is wrong (it was bad enough when it was the old Stampers building). Granted it does bring much needed employment to this area - but I agree that they should be located in an area not so visable to visitors and to townspeople.

    -- Posted by i'mback/didyoumissme on Tue, Dec 30, 2008, at 3:31 PM
  • To anyone who doesn't like Con Agra being in town, I doubt it would take more than an hour to get together a list of towns (one I live close to) who would welcome them. It's called jobs for the area which puts money into the local economy plus tax revenue for the area. Keep complaining and maybe they will move somewhere they will be appreciated.

    -- Posted by Air Force Wife on Tue, Dec 30, 2008, at 6:31 PM
  • Marshall is not the only town with industrial buildings so close to the downtown area. And also not the only small town that would welcome any kind of development that would boost the economy.

    It would be nice if it could be moved, but the cost would be many millions of dollars more than any company would want to take on.

    And the loss of a company that employs so many local people would, I think, be catastrophic to the city and the county.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Tue, Dec 30, 2008, at 6:54 PM
  • And if they were to spend those millions - it would have to be made up some way. Possibly by cutting wages or by raising prices on their product which wouldn't make them competive so sales could/would decline which would mean production cut-backs which equates into job losses. It may be an eye sore but it has been there for many many years. Be proud that Marshall has a facility that size.

    -- Posted by Air Force Wife on Tue, Dec 30, 2008, at 7:17 PM
  • HAPPY NEW YEAR, y'all!!!!

    Tonight I'll be sipping a glass of Madiera port, straight from: www.vsattui.com

    The people at V. Sattui are pretty uppity, but their wines are WONDERFUL!

    I wish all of you great fortune in the coming year(s)!

    -- Posted by Slater on Wed, Dec 31, 2008, at 6:09 PM
  • Conagra employs many as well as Cargill if either were to leave our area our the economy of Saline county would suffer in so many ways. I remember when Cargill shut down for the change over the I worked at Walmart and sales dropped dramatically. I also remember when it was Wilson Foods and they went out on strike the economy suffered from that too. We should all count our blessing we have all these emloyers in our county!

    -- Posted by litlmissme on Thu, Jan 1, 2009, at 2:46 PM
  • Be happy, i can remember when the Stockyards was right behind it! Half the people in that Town, was Educated & fed from that place. At that time it was called Stampers.It didn't smell very good at the time,but it helped a lot of Families.So be happy you have that place! I'm sure it hurt, when you lost the Shoe Factory? Things could be worse!

    -- Posted by Jo on Thu, Jan 1, 2009, at 3:33 PM
  • Kathy wrote: "I think it must be far more difficult to lose weight than to quit smoking."

    Indeed it is.

    Not only do you have to continue to eat, but you body goes into overdrive WORKING AGAINST you.

    All of us are the progeny of generations of famine survivors. Our genes are programed to keep our working cells fed through times of caloric insufficiency. The essence of current medical advice is to create and maintain a daily caloric deficit. For our bodies, a diet IS identical to a "famine." And our, superbly efficient metabolism goes to work on defeating our efforts.

    Everyone's body has a relatively FIXED NUMBER of fat cells at the end of puberty (about age 16) and THEY NEVER DIE. They just shrink down in size and fill with water, waiting for food. That's the problem, medicine does not know how to either render them inoperable or kill them off. Nutrition is a mystery to most physicians.

    When a fat cell is emptied because the working cells need to use stored fat to make up the caloric deficiency you have created (a diet), the battle is on. The fat cell begins chemically "screaming" to the brain that "Famine is here" and the brain responds both by increasing appetite (which can be controlled somewhat) and by reducing metabolism (which can't). As a result, the fewer calories you are ingesting every day at the start of a diet can become too many if the basal metabolism reduction succeeds. That's where exercise comes in. It raises the working cells need for calories.

    Assuming your calorie reduction and exercise increase strategy works and you lose weight, THE BATTLE NEVER STOPS. This is the big difference between "ceasing" smoking and "maintaining" proper weight.

    Although many see it as such, obesity is seldom the "fault" of the overweight person. It is the lifelong curse of those whose parents caused or allowed them grow fat as children. In my case I know exactly when I got fat -- age 9, during the period when my mother controlled my food intake -- and the cause (stress), and when I took my first personal control and lost 40 pounds -- age 17, because I went on a pre-Atkins "Atkins Diet." But I was too late. Those extra 10 billion fat cells were in place. Forever.

    So, you have successfully "lost" weight. That's not success. You have to KEEP it off.

    Two, three or more billion empty fat cells are still "screaming" to be refilled and your body is trying to do so. The battle is never over. Although shrunken, fat cells don't die, they keep working full-time against you. I think this is a big problem for many because, like smokers, they want it to be over. They want to declare "victory" and get on with their lives. But they can't.

    To succeed, the temporary "diet" must now become your PERMANENT lifestyle. Those shrunken fat cells are lying in ambush waiting for you to slip up. How? Perhaps from stress. That's my demon. I lose weight, keep it off for years, hit a period of high stress, seek relief in those "friendly" carbs, and gain back pounds. Then, when the stress stops, I'm stuck at the higher weight. I don't normally overeat so I plateau until I get up the psychic energy to diet again. Unfortunately, I'm a smallish person so a "diet" looks as much like starvation to me as it does to my cells. This is made worse by my age, 60'ish, which means my normal basal metabolic rate is further reduced. Imagine, four lettuce leaves and a 2-inch square of lean steak on a dinner plate. Ugh.

    Another part of the curse is that fat cells inside your abdominal wall surrounding organs (visceral fat) are the most unhealthy fat. These cells can't be removed or killed. You have to KEEP them in a shrunken state by limiting calories. That is the lifelong diet that the medical adviser's cleverly describe as "lifestyle changes." Don't be fooled, IT'S A LIFELONG DIET because you can't ever win by killing the enemy.

    You can get rid of fat cells under the skin with liposuction. I think I will this time. I'll look better and I'll feel that I made some permanent progress. But that's no cure, I'll still be on the lifetime diet and exercise regimen to control the fat cells inside my abdomen.

    Lifetime and regimen. That's the difference. You can stop smoking and "win" the battle. Those with extra fat cells can NEVER stop fighting their bodies.

    The lifelong battle makes support of others so important for us. If you see me going for second helping (which no one my size EVER needs), stop me. I'm just distracted from the fight, I'll appreciate your assistance. Once focused, I'll choose not to eat more. But I need the reminder.

    While I'm on the soapbox. Two points.

    Restaurant portions have grown huge (to mask the price increases?). I really need to start off each meal with a doggie bag and divide the meal in 1/2, packing one portion in the bag BEFORE I start to eat the remainder. Otherwise, I'll get distracted and clean my plate even though I'm not hungry. Yes, I probably could make that a habit. Not customary, though.

    Obesity of any degree kills. Remember that. But it is indirect, operating by facilitating other diseases.

    The culprit isn't made by just six "evil" corporations (as cigarettes were in 1954). Another difference from smoking is that, so many people are making so much money (billions, I'm sure) off diet "advice," including the medical profession, that there is very little pressure for research into how to CURE obesity. Only a few researchers are investigating how to block the brain's receipt of the fat cell's scream that "famine is here," prevent the resulting reduction in metabolism, or kill the fat cells themselves. A fat cell killing mechanism that only got 1/5 of them would bring normalicy to many (me, I suspect). But no one is throwing money at this problem. A real cure will destroy the billion dollar diet industry and cost many more jobs than existed in the cigarette industry and they'll all be white collar people trying to do good.

    So don't expect a cure in our lifetimes.

    -- Posted by AF Brat on Thu, Jan 1, 2009, at 10:50 PM
  • AF Brat: To focus on only one point in your comment - restaurant portions - I absolutely agree they have gone well beyond reasonable standards. Nine times out of ten, when whatever I ordered is brought to me, I look at the plate and wonder who in the world can eat that much in just one sitting.

    Even allowing for my relatively small size and small appetite, the amount of food presented is ridiculous at any price.

    I applaud anyone who can go on a diet and keep off the weight, because that is the greater challenge and as you point out, it's a lifetime 3-times-a-day challenge, something a former smoker usually doesn't face.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Fri, Jan 2, 2009, at 6:00 AM
  • Since you are "notgvnasht" - what's the big deal if someone gets their "undies in a bunch"? It's called free speech.

    -- Posted by i'mback/didyoumissme on Fri, Jan 2, 2009, at 4:01 PM
  • Now I know why Kathy is her size and I'm ...well not her size. I always consider the big portions at restaurants a challenge. And I'm usually up to the challenge!

    Since I have a new "resolution" to lose weight, I guess I better rethink that, huh?

    -- Posted by Marcia Gorrell on Fri, Jan 2, 2009, at 4:25 PM
  • I truly enjoyed the story about Forrest Byrd and the tree at the library. I'm happy to see our young men and woman devoting themselves to our community through the scouts or school programs. Forrest's tree is wonderful and I hope that many young children enjoy it for years to come. Great job Forrest.

    Great picture gallery also Eric.

    -- Posted by Greg House on Fri, Jan 2, 2009, at 5:30 PM
  • The appearance and location of the ConAgra plant has brokered a heated exchange in this forum.

    Considering the economic woes of this country, indeed the whole world, I am one with those who say Marshall is lucky to have the jobs.

    I was in Marshall in Sep 2006. I visited the delightful park and recalled the stories of Jim the Wonder Dog. I drove around the square remembering happy times. Drove through Indian Hills Park. It was my first visit since 2001 so I was interested in seeing all the town. I do not recall being jarred out of my seat by any industrial squalor. I do have more than a passing interest in architecture and landscaping.

    The community where I now live has landscaping requirements that must be met by any development, housing or business. Perhaps Marshall can look to strengthen those requirements. Using evergreens to screen offending views serves several additional purposes. Baffles/muffles sounds. Provides shelter for birds.

    There is a gentleman in the Marshall area who is actively trying to plant a diverse selection of trees, perhaps he would have some thoughts in this area. Diversity is an excellent idea. It was a sad day, when the Dutch Elm disease moved in to kill our beautiful canopy of elms that lined the streets of a host of midwestern towns.

    -- Posted by upsedaisy on Fri, Jan 2, 2009, at 9:36 PM
  • Good to hear from you News Across...I thought you may have gone into an euphoric trance after the election.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Jan 4, 2009, at 11:24 PM
  • A little Nostalgia If you don't mind? One of the bloggers mentioned ,Jim the Wonder Dog, and that brought back some Memories for me. My Grandfather would take me to the Movies to see The Old Westerns & The Three Stooges at the North Street Theater. When we left we would stop at the Ruff Hotel to see Grandfathers friend who worked there at the Desk. while he would visit , i would play with Jim! Old Jim wasen't that active , but i would sit with him. He would mostly want too lay on the end of the Counter. Jim died not long after that! I don't think he was that famous then. Maybe the book wasen't out then , i don't know?I't was hard times back then. I remember the Military would come through on trains at C&A depot, at a designated time through the Month, and not stop, but slow down, and through off Creators of Fruit & Vegetables for the People standing by the Tracks The people on our block of Russell, St. would catch a couple of little pig , that had escaped form the Pig Pen Yard behind Stampers. They would raise them, and share the Meat,with 5 Families, that lived on our Street.Everyone helped each other back then. to bad it's changed! Some of the homes East & south had Sewers I remember when they put them in on our block! Big Deal back then! Milk was Delivered Horse & Wagon, to your House!Through the 40s was great! Marshall High Football Games, at M.V.C. every Fri.Nite! Coach Lyons, Shorty Preston,& a lot of great Teachers there! Swimming Pool, were i lived. the Teenage Club,Humphreys on the Square. the good times, just sitting with Friends on the Square,everyone with their Cars & Girlfriend! Some of the hangouts, The Spot, JoAnne Drive In,the Park, Some of the Honky Tonks, Deals Place, Twillings, Brownies, Bruners B Q, 44, Club,Vaughter Tavern, Wilsons Tavern, The Old Green Lantern, Peck Izzet Tavern,Shackelford Tavern,JoAnne Liquors. Thanks for the Memories & and your Indulgence. Some of you may remember?

    -- Posted by Jo on Mon, Jan 5, 2009, at 12:06 AM
  • New across, I thought I'd point out here about you comments on the "excessive use of force in Gaza on the part of Israel."

    You made the claim that it looked like Israel was specifically targeting civilians, when in actuality about 70 civilian deaths have been reported so far, along with over 300 members of Hamas already slain.

    Now, maybe in your mind Hamas are merely "harmless civilians," and the countless number of rockets they've sent into Israel are just paper wads from a pea-shooter; but that isn't the case.

    Maybe you forget it was Hamas that desolated the Gaza area after Israel gave it up, Hamas that forces the inhabitants of Gaza to live in the conditions they do, Hamas that STARTED this bomb-fest, and Hamas that broke the cease-fire agreement and started blasting Israel AGAIN!

    These militant buggers in Gaza (and mean that to exclude the REAL civilians there) have been a thorn in Israel's side for long enough I say, and despite the fact that I grieve for the loss of innocent life, the blame falls squarely on the shoulders of Hamas and their affiliates. End of story.

    -- Posted by "When the Music Plays..." on Mon, Jan 5, 2009, at 9:01 AM
  • Dear notgvnashit,

    I read your response with great sadness. With your superior command of the English language ("undies", "dumb" and "crap"), how can I compete? My opinions seem to be nothing more than boring banter, so I leave you with two words - "YOU WIN!"

    -- Posted by i'mback/didyoumissme on Mon, Jan 5, 2009, at 9:07 AM
  • As a bit of a follow-up to an earlier comment I posted, I thought it worth mentioning that a certain Mahmoud al-Zahar, a Hamas leader, is basically threatening to kill Israeli civilians (as if they weren't doing that already).

    He praised Hamas fighters and urged them to "crush your enemy." He also hinted that the militants would try to target more Israeli civilians and Israeli targets elsewhere. He said Israelis "legitimized the killing of their people all over the world when they killed our people."

    So the thought process goes something like this: "We kill you, it's wrong but we want to do it anyway. Then you kill us -- how dare you! Then we have legitimate reason to go on killing more of you. Everybody wins! Well, not everybody wins, but we do, and that all we care about!" Maniacal laughter can be inserted here, or not, depending on whether or not you think Hamas members capable of laughing over something other than Israeli blood.

    Some of this info was pulled from: http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3650752,00.html

    And you might also want to check out what Walid Phares, an expert on terrorism the world over, has to say: http://foxforum.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/12/31/phares_gaza/

    -- Posted by "When the Music Plays..." on Mon, Jan 5, 2009, at 10:02 AM
  • Unbelievable. Obama isn't yet sworn in and a devoted Democrat is already threatening his 2012 vote based on what Obama's action in Gaza will be. So if Obama leads the UN with military force to step in and try to restore peace will he be a hero for getting the US into another war?

    -- Posted by Air Force Wife on Mon, Jan 5, 2009, at 11:32 PM
  • Jo, interesting comments. I have one question. I assume that you are speaking of the 1940s or early 1950s, or both. during that time period was not the movie house on W. North Street called the Mary Lou? I believe Leo Hayob built the "new" Mary Lou, and then changed the name of the "old" Mary Lou to the North Street Theatre. Keep em coming, for me it's nostalgia, for most it is social history.

    Re: Israel/Palestine. Is it not a huge irony that the Jewish people, nationless, were gifted by the world with their own nation, but at the expense of the Palestinians who were evicted to make a Jewish Home State. Now the Palestinians, nationless, cry for a home state, and the Jewish nation thwarts them at every turn.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Jan 6, 2009, at 12:19 AM
  • Israel/Palestine and the Middle East as a whole seems to shine a glaring light on the folly that is religion.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Tue, Jan 6, 2009, at 6:16 AM
  • Did anyone watch the Bachelor last night?

    -- Posted by marshallmom67 on Tue, Jan 6, 2009, at 6:23 AM
  • Yes, watched it. Never watched it before... Shannon is still on. Previews were shown of future shows, don't know how long she stays...

    -- Posted by missy08 on Tue, Jan 6, 2009, at 7:11 AM
  • Yes I watched it. And from the looks of things she cries a lot, stalks the dude a lot and is generally a hot mess. She came out of the limo wearing fake bubba teeth (which has been done before by a gal better looking than her with no success) and it kind of goes downhill from there.

    -- Posted by tinaperkle on Tue, Jan 6, 2009, at 11:10 AM
  • Rex... A shining example? What are you smoking? If that's the high bar of a Marshall woman, clean girls must go pretty fast in those parts.

    -- Posted by tinaperkle on Tue, Jan 6, 2009, at 11:30 AM
  • tina, welcome to the site!!

    -- Posted by SecretAgentMichaelScarn on Tue, Jan 6, 2009, at 11:50 AM
  • good thing i'm a secret agent. looks like rex is "shanners"

    -- Posted by SecretAgentMichaelScarn on Tue, Jan 6, 2009, at 11:54 AM
  • Like I said, I watched the show for the first time last night. I thought Shannon did a good job. As she said on the show, she had done her homework. Being on reality tv is not something that I would pursue but I don't ride motorcycles or eat sushi either. Shannon is young, she's pretty, she's single -- You go girl!

    -- Posted by missy08 on Tue, Jan 6, 2009, at 12:14 PM
  • This show is no different then Brett Michael's taking on his 3rd "Rock of Love"... it is silly. But fun to watch. I applaude the gonads on this girl~ cause mine don't get THAT big!

    -- Posted by nomad on Tue, Jan 6, 2009, at 12:24 PM
  • Here we go again........Someone always has to try and ruin things for people again. I simply asked if anyone watched the Bachelor and now we have all the rude comments. I watched the whole show last night and thought Shannon done a great job. The Bachelor is a Hottie and I sure hope Shannon goes far in the show. By previews it looks to me like its going to be pretty exciting. Shannon just wanted to say to you do not let any of these people's rude comments get to you keep your head up and I will be rooting for you the whole time.

    -- Posted by marshallmom67 on Tue, Jan 6, 2009, at 1:01 PM
  • I personally think Shannon did a great job. Why be quiet and boring like some of the others...get out there and be noticed!!

    Shannon, you haven't changed a bit. Still goofy as ever...take that as a compliment, not being sarcastic. To the rest of you...if you don't like the show, don't watch it!

    -- Posted by pumpkin08 on Tue, Jan 6, 2009, at 1:21 PM
  • news across:

    I very much enjoyed your post, Bravo!

    -- Posted by litlmissme on Tue, Jan 6, 2009, at 3:37 PM
  • Well, I for one very much enjoyed the show.I went to school with Shannon and remember her very much even though we didn't socialize in the same circle. I have watched a few seasons of The Bachelor before so I am aware that the girls often become catty and actually fight with each other for the guy. It's pretty sad. Some are already talking about their wedding to him! Slow down, girls. I was so proud that I didn't see Shannon trash-talking the other girls, and when it came time to do the ballot box, she was visibly upset about it, and didn't flaunt whose name she put in. I think she showed great class last night and hope she continues to represent her hometown and make us all pround and if she doesn't make it to the end go down in flames!!

    -- Posted by sapphireslipper on Tue, Jan 6, 2009, at 5:50 PM
  • Oklahoma, You are absolutely correct. How could i have left out the old Mary Lou? I think i was maybe 3 or 4 when may grandfather took me there. I was born in 1935. Poor as you could get! But almost everyone was. What year did they change the name? I think Jim Merchant worked there in the middle 40s for Leo , Jim took ticket at the door! He and Chief, Bill French were Cops, at the time. It could have been later i suppose. some things sticks in my mind, some don't. Thanks Oklahoma!!

    -- Posted by Jo on Tue, Jan 6, 2009, at 10:09 PM
  • I am going to assume "tinaperkle" was in school with Shannon and obviously did NOT hang out with her or anyone in the popular crowd. Considering how juvenile this "tinaperkle" is with the criticism she writes on this blog it is evident she is clearly envious. Unlike most of the losers who graduate high school from MHS and go to Missouri Valley College and get a "business degree" or drop-out, Shannon made something of herself and is successful with or without this show. "tinaperkle," if you are so irritated with the show and Shannon then simply don't watch it.

    -- Posted by awesomeness on Tue, Jan 6, 2009, at 11:41 PM

    -- Posted by awesomeness on Tue, Jan 6, 2009, at 11:43 PM
  • I have not watched the bachelor but have to ask...what is a "hot mess"? As this is a term that my 17 yr old has used and states it isn't good. Tinaperkle, since you used it the term, do you know?

    -- Posted by kkmom on Wed, Jan 7, 2009, at 3:02 AM
  • As for The Bachelor - please realize the producers of reality shows clip the pieces they think are the most entertaining. I don't think a few hours on TV gives enough information for a person to be judged. It's supposed to be entertainment.

    -- Posted by Air Force Wife on Wed, Jan 7, 2009, at 8:29 AM
  • Awesomeness (ahem)... you know what they say about people who assume? Alas, I didn't go to school with Marshall's latest TV star... I'm not from there. I had the pleasure of living there for a time. Did my time at a job there and moved on.

    But you're probably right... I more than likely wouldn't have rolled with her and her posse. While I was popular in HS, my friends and I were somehow able to find love without having to go on a reality show and making a fool of ourselves for the nation's entertainment. And I watch it TO be entertainined. If someone goes on that show, or others like it, they are open to criticism. So to say "don't watch it if you don't like it"... I didn't say I didn't like it. I also didn't say I was "irritated" by Shannon. Good Lord.

    People asked how those who watched thought she did, I offered my opinion that she came off like a psycho, in love with a dude she'd never met. I'm not "bitter" or "envious." When she came out of the limo wearing hillbilly teeth, I kinda cringed a bit and felt sorry for her. That didn't go so well for the other gal on a season or so ago of the Bachelor.

    As for the value of an MVC education, I'll just say this: Neither of my degrees came from there and neither is a "business degree."

    To KK MOM... copied and pasted from the online Urban Dictionary:

    Hot Mess:

    Someone or Something that is such a mess... the level of it, is off of the charts. It's past pathetic, past pitiful. It's to the point you almost have to walk away to keep from bustin a gut. Hot messes can exist in levels.

    -- Posted by tinaperkle on Wed, Jan 7, 2009, at 10:17 AM
  • yea tina, you tell em!

    -- Posted by SecretAgentMichaelScarn on Wed, Jan 7, 2009, at 10:29 AM
  • Secret Agent Man I can do this kind of thing all day. I won't because arguing with stupid people makes my head hurt.

    -- Posted by tinaperkle on Wed, Jan 7, 2009, at 10:33 AM
  • JJ: way to make 'em reach for the dictionaries this morning, friend. Those are some dollar words... this is more the dollar tree set, I'm thinkin'!!!!

    aneditor: I've been a fan of your work for a while so I appreciate the complement!

    -- Posted by tinaperkle on Wed, Jan 7, 2009, at 10:40 AM
  • Oh and Awesomeness: My job there didn't involve chicken. LOL!

    -- Posted by tinaperkle on Wed, Jan 7, 2009, at 10:42 AM
  • JJ is back?!?!

    -- Posted by SecretAgentMichaelScarn on Wed, Jan 7, 2009, at 10:46 AM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    I don't believe so, no.
  • LMAO!

    I don't know that you're the same JJ Secret Agent Man is talking about... maybe that's the confusion. But I'm having a LARGE time this morning with you guys!

    Shannon allegedly (or someone posting as her and her alter ego Rex) posted something about wanting to know if anyone was interested in forming a freaking fan club for her. You honestly can't make this stuff up.

    -- Posted by tinaperkle on Wed, Jan 7, 2009, at 11:01 AM
  • thank the lord if jjgates really is making a comeback!!!

    -- Posted by Eff Ess on Wed, Jan 7, 2009, at 11:11 AM
  • Eric... what'd that other jj dude do to set you guys off? I didn't see that he/she had posted anything controversial.

    -- Posted by tinaperkle on Wed, Jan 7, 2009, at 11:13 AM
  • tina, a fan club does sound like a good idea. we can call it "the tinaperkle marshallnews.com speak out fan club for shannon on the bachelor from marshall".

    -- Posted by SecretAgentMichaelScarn on Wed, Jan 7, 2009, at 11:26 AM
  • LOL Michael! You be my president. Campaign for CHANGE... that seems to work.

    Dang Eric... you're pretty fast on the trigger finger with the banning this AM aren't you!

    -- Posted by tinaperkle on Wed, Jan 7, 2009, at 11:29 AM
  • Freedom of speach is a great outlet of fun.

    -- Posted by nomad on Wed, Jan 7, 2009, at 4:35 PM
  • So is freedom of speech.

    -- Posted by aneditor on Wed, Jan 7, 2009, at 4:44 PM
  • aneditor: Since you're interested in correcting spelling errors, I thought I'd point out this one you apparently missed from tinaperkle:

    "aneditor: I've been a fan of your work for a while so I appreciate the complement!"

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Wed, Jan 7, 2009, at 4:59 PM
  • I hadn't seen that post Kathy.

    Since my post this morning got deleted a few nanoseconds after I posted it I figured I was being blackballed like the JJ person and went about life.

    Slow news day there, huh?

    -- Posted by aneditor on Wed, Jan 7, 2009, at 5:09 PM
  • Not particularly slow, no, but I was concerned on your behalf, especially since the comment was addressed to you personally.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Wed, Jan 7, 2009, at 5:12 PM
  • Great to know you're looking out for me. I can just FEEL the love.

    -- Posted by aneditor on Wed, Jan 7, 2009, at 5:13 PM
  • Oh, gosh...you, too? Swell.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Wed, Jan 7, 2009, at 5:16 PM
  • *SIGH* network "reality" programming: oxymoronic, or just plain moronic?

    -- Posted by Slater on Wed, Jan 7, 2009, at 8:22 PM
  • another recent local "celebrity" was on a baby daddy show on maury a few weeks ago.

    -- Posted by marshallite on Wed, Jan 7, 2009, at 8:47 PM
  • I've heard some chatter about even another local who will showing off his/her talent on tv. I haven't seen or heard anything about it. I would imagine JJ (where ever he is) would have already gotten to the bottom of this one.

    -- Posted by SecretAgentMichaelScarn on Wed, Jan 7, 2009, at 11:12 PM
  • Who and when was the Maury celebrity?

    -- Posted by marshallmom67 on Wed, Jan 7, 2009, at 11:49 PM
  • i'm not positive of the name so i won't go there. it supposedly aired on dec 27. scuttlebutt?? yes. info first came from a high school girl who was a classmate of the girl and was confirmed by hab center workers.

    -- Posted by marshallite on Thu, Jan 8, 2009, at 6:01 AM
  • So marshallite what are you saying about hab center workers?

    -- Posted by Gal66 on Thu, Jan 8, 2009, at 6:26 AM
  • Sorry marshallite I did not understand what I was reading the first time

    -- Posted by Gal66 on Thu, Jan 8, 2009, at 6:28 AM
  • Shannon made it into the conversation on The View - not at all flattering but she got their attention.

    -- Posted by Air Force Wife on Thu, Jan 8, 2009, at 8:03 AM
  • Thats the way train wrecks work, AF wife... not at all flattering but they do get your attention.

    -- Posted by outacuriocity on Thu, Jan 8, 2009, at 10:19 AM
  • i'm doing well, but not too many people are posting this morning.

    -- Posted by SecretAgentMichaelScarn on Thu, Jan 8, 2009, at 10:32 AM
  • Has anybody tried out the Marshall News text updates with their phone? I might have to try it out to keep up to date with all the latest from my favorite writers!

    -- Posted by SecretAgentMichaelScarn on Thu, Jan 8, 2009, at 10:36 AM
  • they keep kicking people off here it'll just be the MDN reporters posting.

    -- Posted by outacuriocity on Thu, Jan 8, 2009, at 10:54 AM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    I have my doubts that the number of people banned and the number of accounts banned correspond. Very, very few people have been banned from posting on this site. You could count them on one hand and have fingers left over.
  • Which finger would be left standing Eric? Sorry... Had to say it!

    Just kidding, of course.

    -- Posted by outacuriocity on Thu, Jan 8, 2009, at 11:06 AM
  • haha. one of the people banned definitely has to be the one and only JJ Gates. it's a shame really... He/she definitely had a great head on his/her shoulders and provided only the finest example of a new media pioneer.

    -- Posted by SecretAgentMichaelScarn on Thu, Jan 8, 2009, at 11:07 AM
  • Did anyone hear anyting about the Bellamy's being on KMMO yesterday talking about the innocents in the drug bust and firearms. I heard that charges where dropped. Is there any truth in this?

    -- Posted by marshallmom67 on Thu, Jan 8, 2009, at 11:19 AM
  • jj was a riot. he started it all. in his memory, a classic post:

    "i love pot pies!"

    -- Posted by JJGates on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 7:02 PM

    your spirit lives on!

    -- Posted by Eff Ess on Thu, Jan 8, 2009, at 11:27 AM
  • marshallmom67: If you are referring to charges in this story, http://www.marshallnews.com/story/1487080.html

    they still appear on Missouri Case.net as of a few minutes ago.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Thu, Jan 8, 2009, at 11:41 AM
  • Kathy....That is the story that I am talking about. Thanks for the info.But did anyone hear them on KMMO? I got on casenet also and seen where he was released on bond and then bond was revoked for not following through on treatment. When did people get released for treatment before the were convicted? Makes me go hhhhmmmmm.

    -- Posted by marshallmom67 on Thu, Jan 8, 2009, at 12:00 PM
  • I lived in marshall a long time, but I just recently moved back due to the 'recession' and the automakers layoffs. It's a pleasure to be back in the proxymity of my boy hood home. Today happens to be my first day back and I already have a few complaints.

    1. What happened to the Golden Corral? That place was Marshall personified.

    2. Where is the Doughnut Shop? Maybe Marshall always had a drug problem but now people are actually getting arrested due to lack of doughnut time. JK JK just taking a fair poke at some good long time friends I haven't seen in awhile. (Hey Brad and Sap! Keep up the good work!)

    3. I was sad to see when I went to apply at local business's the amount of non-Marshallites.....crazy out of towners....to quote Jimbo Marsh "deeeytooookrrrrrrjoooobbbsss"


    -- Posted by jumpingjackflash1963 on Thu, Jan 8, 2009, at 12:26 PM
  • marshallmom67: Bellamy was jailed and then released on bond, with the condition that he report to a counseling center on Dec. 26. When he didn't appear, he went back to jail for violating the conditions of the bond.

    The ability to post bond, with or without conditions, is one of the cornerstones of the American legal system. The idea behind it is to allow the accused to have his/her freedom until actually convicted (or acquitted) of the crime,although there are those who see it as a way for criminals to spend more time on the streets.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Thu, Jan 8, 2009, at 12:54 PM
  • tinaperkle

    thanks for the definition

    -- Posted by kkmom on Thu, Jan 8, 2009, at 2:05 PM
  • jumpingjackflash1963

    1. Golden Corral closed years ago. I heard there was a bug problem.

    2. Donut shop closed years ago. Didn't hear anything about it.

    3. How do you know they are out of towners? You haven't been here in years.

    On a side note, stop bashing the girl for making it on the Bachelor. I'd like to see one of you get on t.v. and not just on PBS or Pepper and Friends.


    -- Posted by ieatsuperglue on Thu, Jan 8, 2009, at 9:42 PM
  • jackflash, welcome back to marshall. you'll see that this town has changed in a lot of ways, but you should know marshall will always be marshall.

    -- Posted by SecretAgentMichaelScarn on Fri, Jan 9, 2009, at 12:24 AM
  • Wait this town used to have a Golden Corral? Holy fruitcake Batman why did that close, I really dont think we have great resturants here except China Inn and Los Tres. I definately think we can spare a Subway and get something new in here, it was a start with Quizno's but that isn't all that special in the first place. I suggest a Chipolte or Qdoba, that would be a money maker if I do say so myself!

    -- Posted by para-chic on Fri, Jan 9, 2009, at 1:05 AM
  • I just got on this site for the first time. Speak out is very entertaining. Kathy....kudos on the smoking article. Very well written.

    -- Posted by gladileft87 on Fri, Jan 9, 2009, at 6:48 AM
  • ieatsuperglue.......LMAO!!! Well said!

    -- Posted by pumpkin08 on Fri, Jan 9, 2009, at 8:27 AM
  • I hope everyone was this supportive when the crown jewel of Marshall was on Survivor.

    -- Posted by gladileft87 on Fri, Jan 9, 2009, at 8:32 AM
  • I guess sarcasm is not welcome here.

    -- Posted by gladileft87 on Fri, Jan 9, 2009, at 8:38 AM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    If you check the Speak Out archives, you will see that we have sarcasm in abundance. Personal attacks and insults, profanity, impersonating someone else, links to objectionable websites, and that sort of thing are more likely to be deleted.
  • gladileft, when did you leave? where did you go? It is good to know that you are still keeping up with what is happening in Marshall.

    -- Posted by SecretAgentMichaelScarn on Fri, Jan 9, 2009, at 8:56 AM
  • Scarn.........I left when the donut shop was still open. Back when the worst thing kids did was hang out in the donut shop parking lot. There are a lot of my friends that read the Democrat News online from all over the country.

    -- Posted by gladileft87 on Fri, Jan 9, 2009, at 9:04 AM
  • the worst thing kids did was loiter in parking lots? you must have either been young and/or naive when you left marshall because there isn't any place or any time when the worst that kids would do is loiter in a parking lot.

    -- Posted by SecretAgentMichaelScarn on Fri, Jan 9, 2009, at 9:20 AM
  • I left Marshall and moved to a small town south and must say it was probably the smartest thing I'd ever done in my life.I lost a lot, but I gained a hell of a lot also.It seems so depressing and you are in one big soap opera there.There are still people there that I love very much,but dont think I'd ever go back.Still care what happens.

    -- Posted by Tammy Brooks on Fri, Jan 9, 2009, at 9:42 AM
  • Here's the scoop on Golden Corral. It was on the Plaza and shut down about 1997 or so. Jim Culver decided to sell it due to non-profitability. He has since passed away. Kind of a stubborn guy to work for but he was fair when I was working there as a teenager.

    Next comes Paradise Donuts-which I also happened to work for as a teenager-when Golden Corral didn't work out. LOL. Al Meeves was operating the one on Odell and Lafayette and was losing money so he closed Lafayette(on the square)first. It wasn't long after that he decided to close Odell.

    I hope that he is well and still in Sedalia. I really don't know, though.

    And about the people?!? I moved to Boonville( I know, I know, yuk it up, guys. Lol.) a few years ago for my job and rarely go to Marshall, though, I still have some family there, and love to shop at Cato now that it is there. I used to pride myself for knowing everybody's names when I ran into them at the grocery store or Wal-Mart. Now? I can go through both and not see one single person I know/knew or even if they are originally from there or not. I never see anybody I went to school with. Honestly, by the looks of Myspace and Facebook, it seems they all moved towards Kansas City. So, the question I ask is...Did the newbies take our jobs, or did we give them away by not staying in our hometown after high school?Just my humble opinion meant to be lighthearted, not argumentative. :)

    And P.S. They can have mine cuz I was working at Excel before I moved and it was just too darn cold!!! JK

    -- Posted by sapphireslipper on Fri, Jan 9, 2009, at 10:06 AM
  • Secret Agent.....believe it or not, that is about the worst thing we could do. We got ran out of every parking lot in town, when we were just sitting there talking. Some littered so I'm sure that's why we got run off. It was only legal to sit on the square....ewww!!

    We weren't out doing drugs, or selling them, or out vandalizing local businesses, robbing people in the middle of the night and murdering them....we stayed on Odell. Cruised the strip for a few hours...then hung out at a friends or in the country. Times have sure changed. And that was only about 15 years ago.

    -- Posted by pumpkin08 on Fri, Jan 9, 2009, at 10:23 AM
  • Scarn..........There was a lot worse going on. I was sort of being sarcastic. I left after high school and never looked back. I will tell you this. There certainly wasn't any Meth around. What a shame that is. Even worse that some people I was close friends with that are now felons. I have heard Marshall has grown a great deal. In good ways and not so good.

    -- Posted by gladileft87 on Fri, Jan 9, 2009, at 10:27 AM
  • I can't tell you how many miles my friend Erin and I logged on her mom's T-bird making the loop from the DQ to the Square. And I can't for the life of me tell you now why it was so much fun. Nor do I have any idea why I was never able to make it back home by curfew. Which in my house was 11:30 p.m. When I come to Marshall to visit family now, I have to wonder what the hell were we doing that we couldn't stop doing by 11 to make it home?

    For the record: We weren't out screwing around, drinking or drugging... just "cruising."

    Kathy... please forgive me if I spelled anything inkorektlee.

    -- Posted by tinaperkle on Fri, Jan 9, 2009, at 10:38 AM
  • what up kids? i graduated in 2000 and several of my friends were coke fiends. probably about half of graduating class were meth addicts. does the high school still have an open lunch? if it wasn't for the high school's open lunch policy, many of my friends would never have even gotten involved with drugs. open lunch was their gateway drug.

    -- Posted by Eff Ess on Fri, Jan 9, 2009, at 10:51 AM
  • I can relate to tina. Ridiculous amount of trips up and down Odell. If you went home to early, you might miss something. That is why my kids won't go to bed on time. More often than not, there was nothing to miss. But my kids don't believe me.

    -- Posted by gladileft87 on Fri, Jan 9, 2009, at 11:05 AM
  • Ess........I graduated more than a decade before you and we had open lunch at that time. Guess what.......Taco Johns was our gateway drug. Or maybe Mc Donald's. I guarantee you that if the open lunch is taken away, there will still be those who do drugs and whatever stupid things kids do. Kids need to understand the importance of education and taking it seriously. I didn't understand that until college. Blame it on the parents, not the school district's policies. That is a huge copout.

    -- Posted by gladileft87 on Fri, Jan 9, 2009, at 11:13 AM
  • You're spot on, glad...

    Back in high school, I was so jealous of the girls who didn't have a curfew. And they thought my parents were so strict.

    Since the majority of them either got knocked up, have been married and divorced a dozen or so times or did a stint or three in rehab only to return to their meth, I'm not so jealous anymore. Dad was looking out for me... I just didn't realize it then. And a few of them have told me since then that they were actually jealous of me because my parents actually CARED where I was and what I was doing, while theirs didn't.

    (Names left out to protect the not so innocent)

    -- Posted by tinaperkle on Fri, Jan 9, 2009, at 11:23 AM
  • The blame lies on the individual's choice... Parents are a huge factor in how this choice is made.

    -- Posted by nomad on Fri, Jan 9, 2009, at 11:29 AM
  • Let us change the subject. Anyone who grew up i Marshall knows that it is very boring for a teenager. At times we had to make up our own stuff to do, and for some, they picked the wrong activities. Including me. But what is there to do today, that was more engaging than 1985? The bowling alley? I almost spit out my coffee when I read that great article on the current owner.

    -- Posted by gladileft87 on Fri, Jan 9, 2009, at 11:56 AM
  • A lot of people say that Freddie is not in the bowling alley for the bowling...he wants to make it more of a sports bar atmosphere. I haven't been in the bowling alley since I was 13 or 14 years old when John and Linda still owned it. That's when Wilson's closed and I couldn't bowl anymore due to Mom and Dad's lack of funds-which I do believe only cost $3.50 every Saturday at that time. My cousin takes her kids every Saturday now and it seems to be a ripoff!! And they wonder why the great sport is becoming a has-been.

    Also, I recall cruising, too. Up and down Odell, turn around in Hustler's parking lot, park in front of IGA to talk, then back down around the square-then that became 'uncool'. Turn around in the parking lot behind Boatmen's Bank (Bank of America now?) and back at it again. The cops used to let us sit there as long as we didn't cause trouble. We were only angels when we knew they weren't looking, but we didn't do anything too horrible. However, it was hilarious to put dish soap in the fountain and wait for bubbles to surround the whole corner. Until Mom found out her dish soap was gone the next morning.

    I was one of the unfortunate ones that didn't have parents to set limits for me as far as a curfew or friends I hung around with. I had enough sense, though, to get my butt home at a decent hour. The rest of the story turns out crappy until I got to be 25 or so and finally realized I was a mess. I always tell my Mom and Dad I wish they would have set more limits for all of us kids(there were 6 of us!!). I am using a different method for my children-I always know where they are and who their friends are and curfew is early. I don't want my kids to screw up like I did and end up paying for it later, due to MY lack of parenting. I was the one that was jealous of you because your parents made you come home before curfew...Only because they cared.

    -- Posted by sapphireslipper on Fri, Jan 9, 2009, at 12:29 PM
  • Could you please put the Slater Lady Wildcat basketball article online

    -- Posted by bballmom on Fri, Jan 9, 2009, at 1:26 PM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    Done. Sorry about the oversight!
  • Cruising has gone on forever. We'd start out on the square, drive out to Valley Drive In, come back via the highway, hit the A&W or 65 drive in for a basketburger, out Odell to the park, back on Eastwood, circle the square. . . until we ran out of gas. It cost $.25/ gallon at the new Limpp station, Velvet Freeze was a stopover on occasion.

    Everyone I knew or dated back then had a time to be home. Usually, it was 11:00p on a weekend, and even Valley girls had a curfew. If you got into trouble, Judge Scott would probably give you a break, but you wouldn't get one at home.

    BTW, back then when Elmer Hare took over from Thomas, they had a $.05 Coke machine just inside the garage door. It was the best bargain in town. Despite Coke going to $.10, Elmer Hare kept that nickel machine, and it was deeply appreciated.

    Eugene Ball had the DQ, and there was also a roving ice cream wagon or two all summer long. The DQ used a bell, but the other one played Casey Would Waltz With the Strawberry Blonde. Ice cream bars were a dime, and a ice cream sandwich was $.15, as I recall.

    -- Posted by Nonny on Fri, Jan 9, 2009, at 1:42 PM
  • I don't believe crusing is the same today as it once was. I graduated in 2000, and we cruised mainly to find out what was going on. Most of us didn't have cell phones (now a 1st grader does) so the easiest way to find out where the party was or whatever was to drive up and down tell you saw the people you wanted too. It's not just Marshall either, spoke with many small town folks in college and all had the same kind of "strip" and cruising routine.

    As for the open lunches I saw mentioned, open lunches where great! I wasn't one of the smokers or druggies that used it to go across the street. My friends and I ran to McD's or another fine restraunt in town and loved it. It was always a game of how quick could you get out and back, could you get the good parking spot, and just the fact you got away from school for 10 minutes. If you used it to somke or do drugs, you would have done it anyway. Open lunch doesn't make a pot head, crack fein or ice head; being a loser and moron makes you those things!!

    -- Posted by oldschool17 on Fri, Jan 9, 2009, at 3:15 PM
  • Up and down Odell, thru A&W (sometimes stop for a mama burger and seasoned fries)back around the square,out thru the park and about every third or forth trip go out to water mill road to relieve ourselve's from all the cocktails and then back to it again. I was one of the one's who also had a curfew, my father always told me there wasnt nothing but trouble out past 12:30, and he was right!Late 70's early 80's

    -- Posted by 17mizzou17 on Fri, Jan 9, 2009, at 3:20 PM
  • We also went to the boweling alley once in a while, and Freddie was running it then. He would always treat us right and go the extra mile for us. Glad to see he still running it.

    -- Posted by 17mizzou17 on Fri, Jan 9, 2009, at 3:24 PM
  • pumpkin08-

    Thanks. It just bothers me when people bash people for things they themselves can't do.

    I do agree, we need something different to eat in Marshall. All in favor of White Castle, IHOP, Hooters, and something besides a pizza place say HEY! I mean 3 pizza places, come on with 12000-15000 people, something else needs to happen.

    -- Posted by ieatsuperglue on Fri, Jan 9, 2009, at 4:30 PM
  • I guess I am different. My mom never let me stay out late. I couldn't pass the written on my driver's test. So, I was one of the ones who sat out on the "strip" as everyone went passed. I never could figure out what was so cool a bout driving around and around. I hung out with people and we did the cruising, but like I said I didn't understand it, and often got bored. Maybe it's because I'm young and didn't think parties were fun. Wow, I think I just sounded 50 there. Haha. I think I'll go listen to some music.

    -- Posted by ieatsuperglue on Fri, Jan 9, 2009, at 4:57 PM
  • My brother and I went around the square 110 times one night! I can't explain why that was fun we were not drinking or using drugs but people were setting on the hoods of their cars cheering us on! We laughed and laughed! Only left because we had a curfew and had to get home our goal was 150, sadly we never made it. Oh what fun!

    -- Posted by litlmissme on Fri, Jan 9, 2009, at 6:58 PM
  • I didn't grow up in Marshall, but I grew up in a town very similar to Marshall. As high schoolers we all cruised the strip as well. Kids cruise in every town. Not so much because of a lack of anything else to do, but just because they can. It's freedom for them. They finally either have a car, or a friend who does, and now they can get around on their own, without Mom and Dad watching over them, or being chaperoned all the time. It's a rite of passage that comes with being that age.

    -- Posted by Reader101 on Fri, Jan 9, 2009, at 11:16 PM
  • superglue you are right, we need some more varietywhen it comes to eating out. I'd like to see another sit down restaurant, not another fastfood restaurant. You want to go out someplace nice then you have two choices, Applebees or Bloomfields.

    -- Posted by momaster on Sat, Jan 10, 2009, at 8:40 AM
  • Look at the bright side. Eating out will give you a reason to get out of town for awhile.

    -- Posted by gladileft87 on Sat, Jan 10, 2009, at 9:21 AM
  • Let's get an investor, formulate a business plan and open an eating establishment. The thing you have to think about is how many have failed over the last 20 years, and why. Who's in?

    -- Posted by gladileft87 on Sat, Jan 10, 2009, at 10:20 AM
  • I am in. Ok, we need a place like Godfather's in a way. A place that is people friendly. Have a game room for people. Have a room where you can watch sporting events. A lounge for just sitting and talking. A place that serves all types of people. Including people who don't eat meat, people who eat meat, and people who eat anything. There should be an area for those who wish to drink and a place for those who wish not to. It needs a good location and a catchy name.

    All in favor of the old Wal*Mart/Aldi's building? Try to get both sides and put as much stuff as we can so that everyone will want to come.

    -- Posted by ieatsuperglue on Sat, Jan 10, 2009, at 12:31 PM
  • I was Born and Raised here in Marshall,seen a lot come and Go.

    It is time for us ti have a good sit down restaurant,like Ryan's or Red Lobster.

    Come on City of Marshall get with it.

    -- Posted by DocHolida2u on Sat, Jan 10, 2009, at 3:32 PM
  • Don't forget to leave space in it for a fabric shop!

    -- Posted by litlmissme on Sat, Jan 10, 2009, at 4:15 PM
  • I think we need something traditional, something we can call ours. No big chain, just something with some good old home cooking. Have a wide selction of food plus offer delivery and carry-out.

    -- Posted by ieatsuperglue on Sat, Jan 10, 2009, at 6:56 PM
  • I agree with all of you on this discussion. but why are we asking everyone else about this issue and not go to the person in charge? Mayor Connie Latimer has had several companies and businesses come to her becaue of our great location to start several business opportunities. but she said "no" from what I heard.

    Wanna know why???? It's because Marshall gets so many tax dollars for a percentage of its population being under the poverty line. If the city allows for a big business or company to come in, that jepordizes the tax credits we do get for having a high unemployment/or no jobs for people to attain.

    So, if you want something to change, I say go to the next city councilmeeting and ask why we don't have any businesses that are wanting to come into our community. We have people here that are more than willing to go and work to make things a little bit easier for them at home.

    Oh here's a little bit more aobut her, she told people that being te mayor wouldn't change her, but has anyone drove by the main enterance to the park to see that lovely, nice, and BIG house they just had built? Looks a little like a change to me!

    -- Posted by ALilBoutALot on Sat, Jan 10, 2009, at 6:57 PM
  • LilAbout,

    What businesses have come to ask about coming here? If you think City Hall doesn't support business, how did Con Agra just expand? Ask some of the current employers how difficult it is to get help since many applicants can't pass their drug test. As for restaurants here, who will support them? Check the history. Also if you do your homework with some of the restaurant and retail chains, you will find they only come to towns of certain populations and Marshall doesn't meet their criteria. As for the Mayor's new house, what does that have to do with anything?

    -- Posted by spareme on Sat, Jan 10, 2009, at 8:57 PM
  • If you made two lists one beside the other listing Connie's many accomplishments and improvements to Marshall during her time as our mayor, and the second list any setbacks or things witch turned out to be not so good during the same time frame. not including all the rumours and beauty shop stories.And not including personal bashing by jealous constituents, who are jealous of someone improving there lot in life by building a beautiful new home {which is an asset to our community in its self} I believe you would see the first list miles longer than the second. I guess everybody needs someone to blame.

    -- Posted by GOCHIEFS on Sun, Jan 11, 2009, at 9:16 AM
  • Marshall people make me smile. Who gives a **** about the mayor's house? Or the places to eat? Population has much less to do with company's decisions to bring business to town, than demographics. People on meth are not usually hungry and that will affect sales. As long as there is mexican food available, Con Agra will stay productive.

    -- Posted by gladileft87 on Sun, Jan 11, 2009, at 10:30 AM
  • John Q recently wrote in his blog about generational change and the various ways those changes can be interpreted.

    Here's a link to a very interesting AP article written on the subject, focusing on presidents past, and on the incoming president.


    -- Posted by Slater on Sun, Jan 11, 2009, at 11:49 AM
  • I need some assitance on a issue of bms do you think it is right to suspend a kid on here say if it a reported another student made a threat .AND the kid has a diability

    -- Posted by purpleroses on Sun, Jan 11, 2009, at 12:37 PM
  • purpleroses- I need more detail to give a fair response to that.

    The Marshall School District is unfair to children with disabilities. As a child I was given the medical condition ADHD. I was placed in a special needs class. One day I said "So" to the teacher. I was kicked out of school for 3 days because of that. She said and I quote, "You said the word so sarcastically. Therefore you must go to the principal." My mom said, "WTF?" Then the principal wanted to know what my punishment at home would be. My mom said, "He's going to stay up late, eat pizza, ice cream, and party." And I did.

    -- Posted by ieatsuperglue on Sun, Jan 11, 2009, at 1:34 PM
  • And you are one to talk. You say R-E-S-P-E-C-T and then call me a pinhead. Sounds like you are the one who's a pinhead.

    -- Posted by ieatsuperglue on Sun, Jan 11, 2009, at 1:56 PM
  • Either way, you missed the point. I did something I should not have and the teacher did the same.

    On that note, you indirectly called me a pinhead. Be it in the classroom or be it in life. Which goes against what you said about respect.

    -- Posted by ieatsuperglue on Sun, Jan 11, 2009, at 2:28 PM
  • First, let me make it clear...I am not a teacher, never have been and would never have the patience to be. I do, however, work with children who have behavioral problems. Believe me, these children do not just have "the occasional behavioral outburst". These kids can go from 0 to 60 in no time flat and are a danger to themselves and others. Teachers actually have to physically restrain these kids because they are so out of control. It's ridiculous. 20 years ago students wouldn't have dreamed of disrespecting a teacher, now it's commonplace. Sadly, teachers would rather continue to deal with these out of control kids than deal with their parents, because the parents are more irrational than their children. Parents, give your children a real gift of love; stop fixing all their screw ups, and let them suffer the consequences while they are young, so maybe they won't end up dealing with the justice system when they are older. And FYI, Marshall schools have an INCREDIBLE special education department. Don't think so? Move someplace else; you will quickly be enlightened.

    -- Posted by born-n-raised on Sun, Jan 11, 2009, at 6:17 PM
  • One more thing...if my child EVER talks back to a teacher (and yes, saying SO? is talking back), he/she would definitely face serious consequences at home. My child most certainly would not be staying up late and partying. Are you kidding me?! If I don't teach my children to respect others, who will? C'mon Mom, do your child and society a favor, impose consequences NOW so that a judge or jury doesn't have to LATER.

    -- Posted by born-n-raised on Sun, Jan 11, 2009, at 7:02 PM
  • So, because of what I said, you think me, or people like me are in trouble with the law? Well, you are wrong. I've had 1 ticket and 1 other thing I did wrong.

    Yes, Marshall has a good special ed class, but it needs help.

    -- Posted by ieatsuperglue on Sun, Jan 11, 2009, at 7:07 PM
  • Possibly your mother didn't always pick up all the pieces, ieatsuperglue. If so, good for her. She did us all a favor. In my experience in working with children, I have learned that if children have helicopter parents (parents who swoop in to "fix" all their children's problems), the more likely those children are going to end up needing someone to take care of their problems all of their lives (pay their bills, raise their grandchildren, bail them out of legal issues, etc). Helicopter parents aren't doing their children any favors and the child, as well as society, suffers for it.

    -- Posted by born-n-raised on Sun, Jan 11, 2009, at 7:23 PM
  • Does anyone remember what would have happened to any little sweetheart who smarted off to Mr. Marshall, Mr, Wiley, Mr. Lowe, or the other principals of Marshall's high school? For one, I still have a mark on my rump from a run-in with John Marshall. The mark right below it was from my father when I got home. We need more paddling and less "understanding" in the schools.

    -- Posted by Nonny on Sun, Jan 11, 2009, at 9:32 PM
  • The good old fashioned paddle is what Mr. Fricke introduced to me in middle school at BMS. One time too many, I screwed up! I loved it then, but I remember every time my sisters and I would screw up, Mom would fly in and land on her personal helicopter pad and rescue us from him and Mrs. Boling. She did a very bad injustice to me especially! I always thought Mom would be there for me no matter what. Until I sat in jail for 30 days about 6 years ago. Thank you to judge Rolf for holding me accountable and punishing me. In turn for a second chance at a good life, I have done exactly that!! Had the same job since, settled down, got married to a decent guy and promise never to rescue my children like my mother did for us.

    I actually wanted the school to paddle my son last year for repeated offensive mouthing and they wouldn't do it, so I took him home and gave him the old Lava soap treatment and I guess it worked, because they say he is respectful pretty much all the time now.

    IMHO it is the parents' jobs to make sure the child they are sending to school is already understanding basic discipline, but when you are so busy being selfish(whether it be meth, watching TV or being outright lazy), it's not easy to discipline them. Nobody said parenting was going to be easy. It is a full-time job and not up to the school to do it for you. Start 'em out young and don't think it's cute when they flip you off or use the F word when they are 3. I have actually seen people that thought this was hilarious!! I think it's just plain sad.

    -- Posted by sapphireslipper on Mon, Jan 12, 2009, at 9:11 AM
  • I think that punishment is ok to a certian extent!! I would rather my childern to be dealt with at home. I dont think it is right for any other person to "paddle" my kids!! There are other things to do than that!! Whipping kids with anything is worng in my eyes!! I was paddled alot at BMS by Ms. Boiling and it sucked and just made me madder!!! If my child is doing something wrong than call me and i will handle it.. It's not up to the school...

    -- Posted by missouriwoman3 on Mon, Jan 12, 2009, at 10:15 AM
  • I agree that most corporal punishment should be handled at home; however, if a child repeatedly gets into trouble at school, then I think the school should handle it because obviously parental disciplining is not working.

    -- Posted by born-n-raised on Mon, Jan 12, 2009, at 10:43 AM
  • When I went to school if we got in trouble our parents gave us twice the punishment we had gotten at school. I had to write I will not talk in class 100 times at school, when I got home I had to do it 200 times. My brother got two swats at school, my dad paddled him again. We knew better than behave badly or we wouldn't want to set for sometime.

    It is crazy that parents expect schools to ignore poor behavior and parents want to complain about how the school handles disipline, when the parent can't or won't step up and BE A PARENT! If they were taught at home they would not act that way in public. I never had problems with any of my 4 kids and I didn't swat either. If they were bad they lost privilages or pocessions.

    -- Posted by litlmissme on Mon, Jan 12, 2009, at 4:12 PM
  • Right you are, Cheetah. Simply put: We're raising a nation of kids that can be divided into two categories: 1) Complete thugs and 2) absolute pansy a$$es.

    -- Posted by aneditor on Mon, Jan 12, 2009, at 5:22 PM
  • do you think a school should suspend a kid with a disability?

    -- Posted by purpleroses on Mon, Jan 12, 2009, at 5:54 PM
  • purplerose-

    just because your son/daughter has a disablity doesn't mean that they get a free pass. if your child does have an IEP then there are limits to what the suspension/consequence can be. remember there is a safe schools act and ALL the other students and teachers have to be protected.

    -- Posted by snoozes on Mon, Jan 12, 2009, at 6:41 PM
  • If we got out of line, (in or out) of School,we would get the **** slapped out of us! But the Law, and some do-gooders has taken away your right to correct our kids, with a spanking and or intimadation! Psychology,won't work! I think over the years has shown this? All a kid has to do, is Lie, and say he's been Burtelized , and your a-- is grass ,with Legal Fee's & Bail. even when it's obvious, one is Innocent! By then your Destitute!

    -- Posted by Jo on Mon, Jan 12, 2009, at 7:03 PM

    Here's a link to video nostalgia having to do with the old westerns and their actors. I LOVE this kind of stuff! :)


    -- Posted by Slater on Mon, Jan 12, 2009, at 8:10 PM
  • Different time and place than Marshall, but I know of a boy who smarted off to his Dad and got the belt. No big deal, but in gym the next day, the kid's gym teacher saw the 3 red marks on his rump. By LAW there, the teacher called the police and family services. The kid and parents were interviewed and the kid told them that, "Dad hit me."

    Dad was literally handcuffed and taken to the station. He was let off by a judge with a stern warning to never spank the kid again and was required to attend a class in anger management.

    -- Posted by Nonny on Mon, Jan 12, 2009, at 9:17 PM
  • pupleroses, in a court of law a judge is going to make one determination before anything can preceed. Is the person competent to stand trial? In the simplest terms, does he know right from wrong? If the answer is yes, it doesn't matter if he has a disability. My child has a disability as well, but she does know the difference between right and wrong. If she acts up at school, I don't want her treated any differently than any other child. Suspension will only be the beginning of her punishment. Just wait until she gets home......

    -- Posted by born-n-raised on Mon, Jan 12, 2009, at 9:48 PM
  • "Love and Logic" written by Jim Fay and Foster Cline is a phenomenal parenting resource. There are many books included in the "Love and Logic" series and all are insightful and offer great parenting advice. The underlying premise behind the entire series is allowing children to be responsible for the actions. It explains that allowing children to suffer the consequences of their actions when they are young, will teach them responsibility, therefore preventing them from making bigger mistakes when they are older when the consequences are more dire. This series really helped shape my parenting style and I highly recommend it. Many of the "Love and Logic" books can be found at the Marshall Public Library. I should note that the Marshall Public Schools have utilized the "Love and Logic" teachings for many years, and also have an abundance of reading materials available if you ask.

    -- Posted by born-n-raised on Mon, Jan 12, 2009, at 10:03 PM
  • Just the other side of the coin for a minute.

    In 1953 I was an eighth grader at Marshall combined junior/senior highschool. There was a little boy in my class who was retarded. He could barely read. He was not a trouble maker. Our teacher became angry when he was unable to read from a text. She had throughout the school year bullied, and derided him on a regular basis. On this occasion she snapped, marched to his desk, and smacked him full force on the side of his face. His head rocked with the blow. Then half his face became as red as the hair on his head. His head slumped to his desk, and he cried silently.

    Ah yes, the good old days.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Jan 13, 2009, at 12:45 AM
  • Slater,

    Great site. Brings back many memories. Things did look better in black and white.

    -- Posted by pressman on Tue, Jan 13, 2009, at 2:00 AM
  • Who watched "The Bachelor" last night. I can't believe Shannon gets to stay another week. "You're so cute. Why are you so cute? " She is very attractive.....until she talks.

    -- Posted by gladileft87 on Tue, Jan 13, 2009, at 5:31 AM
  • OK Reader - I hope your story about the handicapped child you remember in school being the "good old days" is tongue in cheek. Those are the exact reasons I NEVER want a child or grandchild of mine touched in school. Whoever it was on here who said they still have a mark from one of the past school personnel - I'm sorry they did that. No one has a right to physically harm a child - handicapped or not. The sad part is not all mental torture can be controlled. I have worked with children and know they can be very difficult but spanking is not the answer. There are a lot of great teachers who teach because they enjoy it but not all feel that way. I don't want those few leaving marks on kids faces and legs.

    -- Posted by Air Force Wife on Tue, Jan 13, 2009, at 6:29 AM
  • Teachers are not allowed to touch students, period. This isn't 1953 anymore. Teachers aren't even supposed to hug children anymore. If a teacher slaps a child today, it's assault, and the teacher will be arrested.

    -- Posted by born-n-raised on Tue, Jan 13, 2009, at 7:36 AM
  • The down side is that teachers can't even hug a child. Sometimes that's what a child needs for reassurance. There are a lot of kids who don't get that at home. It is best to get involved with school and know the teachers.

    -- Posted by Air Force Wife on Tue, Jan 13, 2009, at 8:09 AM
  • I watched every minute of The Bachelor last night! Did anybody notice that Shannon gets a lot of alone face time with the camera? Let me clarify that. She get's a lot of time alone commenting on the situations going on. It seems to me that maybe she is more vocal than the others, but I really don't see her bashing, which is a wonderful characteristic IMHO. One thing that is hurting her is that she has such an outgoing personality. She is bubbly and just seems happy all the time. Those other girls are just plain jealous! She is a little aggressive for my style, but how else do you get the attention of a man that has 14 other beautiful women to look at? Chucking ice over the balcony was priceless!!! "Sha-nae-nae" did it!! Too funny!! I loved it.

    And to add to all the fun, don't you love watching the drama develop between Erica and Megan? It's absolutely a hoot to watch these two girls! We are NOT Megan supporters in our house!! Send her home, Jason!!

    -- Posted by sapphireslipper on Tue, Jan 13, 2009, at 8:16 AM
  • To this day there is no word that frightens me more than "Hazel".

    -- Posted by born-n-raised on Tue, Jan 13, 2009, at 9:32 AM
  • Does anyone know why Time Warner Cable has switched names. I got up this morning and having trouble with my phone which is through the time warner so I called and it says that a company named Windjammer has took over.So I called the number that the recording gave me and the associate told me that they took over as of 1-12-09. They said they are having trouble transferring things over. I want to know why no one got a heads up on any of this? Why the transfer?

    -- Posted by marshallmom67 on Tue, Jan 13, 2009, at 9:40 AM
  • According to the net TIME WARNER has sold many of its rural systems to WINDJAMMER.Why it was not reported locally I have no answer.

    -- Posted by GOCHIEFS on Tue, Jan 13, 2009, at 9:46 AM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    We did not do an extensive story on the sale, but it was mentioned in a Marshall City Council story:


  • P.S The reason i looked it up on the net was app. 1 month ago i read in the municipal utility minutes printed in the MDN, that they had approved the leasing of their lines to WINDJAMMER . Even after that no follow up by MDN or announcement by TIME WARNER i would consider that SIGNIFICANT local news. oh well the "horse is already out of the barn" like it or not.

    -- Posted by GOCHIEFS on Tue, Jan 13, 2009, at 9:54 AM
  • "The council approved an ordinance transferring pole use from Time Warner Cable to Wind Jammer Communications." WOW how could someone miss this announcement of something that affects so many citizens

    -- Posted by GOCHIEFS on Tue, Jan 13, 2009, at 10:00 AM
  • So does anyone know if we pay our bill at the cable company here or send it to the new company????

    -- Posted by marshallmom67 on Tue, Jan 13, 2009, at 10:02 AM
  • not trying to be a grumpy gumby here but...........it seems while all this bachelor talk has gone on, the people have missed the real marshall news. a member of our community is in the final 36 on american idol. i mean to each his own but which one is actually newsworthy? its like jim the wonder dog is picking out oak trees and you all are standing around watching snowball the cat chase yarn........yeah its cute and all but seriously, is it even a good message to send out to the young ladies in our community.

    p.s. I may not no where to send my cable bill GOCHIEFS but atleast i know one womens bout with smoking. Its like the lousiana purchase of trade offs.....to bad i was selling.....


    MHS Class of 1981 GOOOOOOOO OWLS

    -- Posted by jumpingjackflash1963 on Tue, Jan 13, 2009, at 10:41 AM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    Shows like this limit what participants can say and when. We're aware of the situation and will publish something as soon as more information is available.
  • Didn't do an extensive story on the Time Warner switch? Huh, it effects the entire community and the Marshall Dem news thinks it doesn't require an extensive story. But century farms are front page stories. Go figure. Well as a Time Warner customer let me say boy I'm glad marshallmom posted something or I would never had known anything.

    -- Posted by momaster on Tue, Jan 13, 2009, at 11:08 AM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    We checked on it. It appeared to be a routine switch of ownership with no expected impact on customers. We prioritize stories and at the time, this one did not seem to me to warrant further inquiry. If members of the community run into problems, or have questions (as seems to be the case) we can pursue it further.
  • Re: Time Warner - if your service hasn't been affected - what does it matter who provides it? Momaster said her/himself "I would never had known anything." Apparently it hasn't affected anyone.

    -- Posted by Air Force Wife on Tue, Jan 13, 2009, at 11:16 AM
  • It has affected my service...Thats how I found out about the switching of the companys because I had trouble this morning and had to call. I am still having trouble with my phone service which I was told this morning I will probably continue to have the problem until at least 1-17-2009. I have a disabled daughter who has multiple health defects and I need my phone. As far as reading up about the switch discussed at the council meeting No I did not read about it I feel that Time Warner should have sent out letters about the switch.

    -- Posted by marshallmom67 on Tue, Jan 13, 2009, at 11:41 AM
  • i understand that, thats probably why there isnt a 12 page article on everyons favorite hygentist. in some ways it makes me happy the networks muffle contestants, some obviously dont know when to stop talking. you however still mentioned her name and her show. heck ive read stories that say....'man was arrested last night, more info later' or my personal favorite weekly article 'marshall teacher/administrator/community figure(insert one) was arrested/suspended/etc(insert one) but the board/police/sheriff(insert one) has no info at this time'.....are you telling me that you couldnt post some fact rich article like that about marshalls only real talent on tv? heck chris allen took photos of the guy playing sports for 8 years! i can search his name on the site and find atleast 10 pictures!

    -- Posted by jumpingjackflash1963 on Tue, Jan 13, 2009, at 11:47 AM
  • Lana Crawford, lead customer service representative in the Marshall office says cable, phone and internet customers having trouble getting help from the call center are urged to call the local office at 660-886-6400 and when prompted to enter an extension, type zero, which will ring the office phones.


    -- Posted by Eric Crump on Tue, Jan 13, 2009, at 1:04 PM
  • jack-

    Quit talking in code. Who is in the American Idol final 36?

    -- Posted by a realist on Tue, Jan 13, 2009, at 1:14 PM
  • marshallmom67: Whether we did a story at the paper or not, I do think it Time Warner should have notified its customers of the change, too.

    I have my latest TW bill in front of me, dated Dec. 15, and there is not a single word on it, front or back, about change of any kind.

    At best, an oversight. At worst, poor customer service, in my opinion.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Tue, Jan 13, 2009, at 1:23 PM
  • Derrick Lavers

    -- Posted by mtownresident on Tue, Jan 13, 2009, at 1:38 PM
    Response by Sydney Stonner/Staff writer:
    Thanks for the name. Do you know how to get in touch with Derrick? Haven't found him in the phone book.
  • Thanks for all the input I have finally been able to talk to a live person here at the office and hopefully my phone situation gets resolved. Thank You

    -- Posted by marshallmom67 on Tue, Jan 13, 2009, at 2:32 PM
  • what is going on at the high school?

    -- Posted by ontheside on Tue, Jan 13, 2009, at 2:55 PM
  • be interesting to see if a teacher was involved at mhs

    -- Posted by purpleroses on Tue, Jan 13, 2009, at 3:07 PM
  • Story I HEARD from a parent with a child in school who was in the class goes like this. A girl was in class with this boy, she noticed him writing a list of names with the title "heaven" on it. The girl asked why her name was on it, and he said because i'm going to kill you and showed a knife. She told the teacher of that class, she did nothing, so she ran to her next class (which had this person's child in it) and that teacher believed him and the school cop went and took the kid out of class. When they searched his bag it was full of knives.

    Again that is a story that was told from as student to the parent then to me. I'm sure there are holes, but that seems to be the jist of it. And yes the kid with the knives is a gothic style child with all black clothes and quite attitude. IF it's true the kid needs to be sent to Buttferfield's immediately and not allowed back in school, if that was my daughter and he was back in school she would not be. I would have already filed assault charges against him!! Again, IF it's true!

    -- Posted by oldschool17 on Tue, Jan 13, 2009, at 3:29 PM
  • i was one of the girls on the list that told the teacher.....while what many people have heard arent the exact story it's close enough *multiple* knives were brought to school by a kid and in a couple weeks he's gonna be back because to *some people* its not that big of a deal....im scared to death now i dont even feel safe at my own school!!!!!!!!!!!!

    -- Posted by ballin on Tue, Jan 13, 2009, at 3:41 PM
  • yeah if we were lieing he wouldnt be suspended!!! OBVIOUSLY were not!!

    -- Posted by ballin on Tue, Jan 13, 2009, at 3:46 PM
  • It would have been nice to have the option of switching to dish. Instead of choosing for us who we do business with.

    -- Posted by GOCHIEFS on Tue, Jan 13, 2009, at 3:59 PM
  • as always cry race, thats over and is getting old, the same old excuse, that's why we have a new african american president right ?

    -- Posted by gokinser11 on Tue, Jan 13, 2009, at 4:05 PM
  • JJflash, SOrry for such an oversight on my part!! I really try to support hometown reality stars. I had no idea that a locale was on American Idol. I would have been supportive from the very start. It's a new season already?!? Wow, where does the time go? Give me some more info on day and time, please. Even though I don't have a clue who the guy is, if he is from my hometown, he deserves my support. :)

    -- Posted by sapphireslipper on Tue, Jan 13, 2009, at 4:25 PM
  • Prime Time in No Time on Yahoo link regarding The Bachelor's Shannon.


    -- Posted by Typesetter on Tue, Jan 13, 2009, at 4:25 PM
  • I am changing the subject here, but along with many area residents have supported the development of the new cancer center at Fitzgibbons and believe it will provide much-needed services to the area. However, I would like to see Fitzgibbons administrators, directors, and staff who have asked the community for so much financial support for the facility to "give back" to the community by supporting a no-smoking policy within the Marshall community in restaurants and other public facilities, much like what has been passed in Columbia and other communities around the state. That would reinforce to me that the hospital is serious about taking the next logical step to helping reduce the number one cause of cancer!

    -- Posted by cssmcc on Tue, Jan 13, 2009, at 5:14 PM
  • This is not Columbia or Kc . With the economy the way it is. Local restaurant owners are struggling already without alienating more customers. If you want the big city ordinances perhaps you should reconsider where you reside

    -- Posted by GOCHIEFS on Tue, Jan 13, 2009, at 5:52 PM
  • Derrick Lavers is a 2002 MHS graduate.

    -- Posted by writerintraining on Tue, Jan 13, 2009, at 6:00 PM
  • You want our economy to sufer as Columbia's is. They are losing more and more businesses and with it losing more jobs. We as smokers are now made to feel like we are leopard's. Well I am here to tell you that I have as much right to sit back and relax after a meal with a cigarrette in a proper ventalited area. Why should smokers be forced outside in the cold we are paying the same amount as the rest of you! Fitzgibbon is not the law. We as people need to stop letting government infringe upon our rights to choose for our selves.

    -- Posted by Selmac8 on Tue, Jan 13, 2009, at 7:25 PM
  • sorry, wrong number

    -- Posted by nancy007 on Tue, Jan 13, 2009, at 8:19 PM
  • If a PRIVATELY OWNED business wants to ban smoking that's fine. Another business will allow it and the market can sort it out. It certainly isn't the business of government or city councils.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Tue, Jan 13, 2009, at 9:33 PM
  • I fully agree Cosa Nostra. There is NO ventilation that is subtitle for non-smokers. As a parent of a newborn child, I find it difficult to take my child anywhere anymore for even a few hours. Sure..McDonalds is smoke free, but who wants to eat there everyday? Just ONCE I would love to head to the bowling alley with my family for some out of the house time, but I cant because I don't want to subject my newborn to the smoke. Im not going to find a person to watch them because for a family fun night you need the FAMILY. Smokers don't understand the effect they have on people around them. ALL YOU SMOKERS THINK ABOUT THIS: Think ahead say,15 years.Your children,grandchildren,friends of the family etc want to go out to say the local park. You dont feel up to it because your chemo is kicking your @$$ and you cant be out for very long. Is that how you want to spend the last of your days, cooped up in a house day in and day out? Seriously think about the future people!!

    -- Posted by marshallyouth on Wed, Jan 14, 2009, at 1:21 AM
  • Marshallyouth,

    Where in this town other than the bowling alley which has a bar and a few bars in this town allows smoking? Bloomfields has a smoking room. Other than that where are all of theses places that you are so afraid to take your newborn?

    ALL OF YOU NON SMOKERS THINK ABOUT THIS: Enough already.Stop the whining. You have admittedly had your way for quite some time. With but a few exceptions of some bars, we can't smoke anywhere. Period. Actually it's become entirely out of hand in my opinion. These days it seems as if my smoking means I'm fair game for personal attacks on my character. This was a free country. I choose to smoke. I will not smoke in your car, your house or around your precious newborn. I will however smoke in a bar which thankfully our backwater town of Marshall has not become as draconian and supressive as other municipalities in that regard. To quote Bill Hicks: "non smokers die..........everyday."

    Think about that the next time you are sucking down that Big Mac while looking at me with contempt for my habits. One more thing. Don't give the the BS about how my smoking will cost you money if I get sick. That dog won't hunt. Once we smokers get sick we probably won't be around for long. However when you get old enough for medicare etc, it will be you,the "reasonably healthy" individual that will be the real financial burden by draining the system for 10,20 maybe 30 years or more of taxpayer funded health care.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Jan 14, 2009, at 6:21 AM
  • WTF,

    You are exactly right. I am not going to get into a big debate, or maybe I will. But the fact is that there are many places for nonsmokers to go and breath what they think is clean air, and very few places for smokers to go. Great quote, by the way, and very true. I had a friend in high school that never drank or smoked and died the week he was supposed to graduate, from cancer. Your statement on healthcare is also true and has been published at length. All you nonsmokers need to shut up and stay out of the few bars left that allow smoking. Problem solved. Read Kathy Fairchild's blog.

    -- Posted by gladileft87 on Wed, Jan 14, 2009, at 7:28 AM
  • marshallyouth - the last I knew, the skating rink didn't allow smoking. If you want a non-smoking bowling alley, Jester's just outside Warsaw, MO has a glass enclosed room for smokers - a well ventilated room. As for the rest - if you're taking an infant to a bar, smoke is the least of your problems.

    -- Posted by Air Force Wife on Wed, Jan 14, 2009, at 7:44 AM
  • Isn't Mazzio's smoke-free, also?

    -- Posted by sapphireslipper on Wed, Jan 14, 2009, at 8:29 AM
  • Just thought the smokers might want to read:

    Cigarette Smoking

    The 1982 United States Surgeon General's report stated that"Cigarette smoking is the major single cause of cancer mortality (death) in the United States." This statement is as true today as it was in 1982.

    Smoking is responsible for nearly 1 in 5 deaths in the United States. Because cigarette smoking and tobacco use are acquired behaviors -- activities that people choose to do -- smoking is the most preventable cause of premature death in our society.

    Here you will find a brief overview of cigarette smoking: who smokes, how smoking affects health, what makes it so hard to quit, and what some of the many rewards of quitting are. For more on this topic, see our document, Guide to Quitting Smoking.

    Who smokes?


    The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reported that 43.4 million US adults were current smokers in 2007 (the most recent year for which numbers are available). This is 19.8% of all adults (22.3% of men, 17.4% of women) -- about 1 out of 5 people.

    When broken down by race/ethnicity, the numbers were as follows:

    Whites 21.4%

    African Americans 19.8%

    Hispanics 13.3%

    American Indians/Alaska Natives 36.4%

    Asian Americans 9.6%

    There were more cigarette smokers in the younger age groups. In 2007, the CDC reported almost 22.8% of those 25 to 44 years old were current smokers, compared to 8.3% in those aged 65 or older.

    High school and middle school students

    Nationwide, 20% of high school students were smoking cigarettes in 2007. The most recent survey of middle school students shows that 6% were smoking cigarettes. More White and Hispanic students smoked cigarettes. (For more information, see our document, Child and Teen Tobacco Use.)

    How does smoking cause illness and death?

    About half of all Americans who keep smoking will die because of the habit. Each year about 443,000 people in the United States die from illnesses related to cigarette smoking. Cigarettes kill more Americans than alcohol, car accidents, suicide, AIDS, homicide, and illegal drugs combined.

    Cancer caused by smoking

    Cigarette smoking accounts for at least 30% of all cancer deaths. It is a major cause of the following cancers:

    * lung

    * voice box (larynx)

    * mouth (oral cavity)

    * throat (pharynx)

    * bladder

    * the swallowing tube connected to the stomach (esophagus)

    Smoking is also linked to the following cancers:

    * pancreas

    * cervix

    * kidney

    * stomach

    * some leukemias

    Smoking is responsible for about 87% of lung cancer deaths. Lung cancer is the leading cause of cancer death in both men and women, and is one of the most difficult cancers to treat. Lung cancer is a disease that can often be prevented. Some religious groups that promote non-smoking as part of their religion, such as Mormons and Seventh-day Adventists, have much lower rates of lung cancer and other smoking-related cancers.

    Other health problems caused by smoking

    Only about half of the deaths related to smoking are from cancer. Smoking is also a major cause of heart disease, aneurysms, bronchitis, emphysema, and stroke, and it makes pneumonia and asthma worse.

    Using tobacco can damage a woman's reproductive health and hurt babies. Tobacco use is linked with reduced fertility and a higher risk of miscarriage, early delivery (premature birth), stillbirth, infant death, and is a cause of low birth-weight in infants. It has also been linked to sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS).

    Smoking has been linked to other health problems, too, including gum disease, cataracts, bone thinning, hip fractures, and peptic ulcers. It is also linked to macular degeneration, an eye disease that can cause blindness.

    Smoking can cause or worsen poor blood flow in the arms and legs (peripheral vascular disease or PVD.) Even worse, surgery that aims to improve the blood flow often doesn't work in people who keep smoking. Because of this, many surgeons who work on blood vessels (vascular surgeons) won't do certain surgeries on patients with PVD unless they stop smoking. Studies looking at male smokers have found that they are more likely to have sexual impotence (erectile dysfunction) the longer they smoke, which may be due to the problem with blood flow.

    If that's not enough, the smoke from cigarettes (called secondhand smoke or environmental tobacco smoke) has a harmful health effect on those exposed to it. Adults and children can have health problems from breathing secondhand smoke. (See our documents, Secondhand Smoke and Women and Smoking.)

    -- Posted by snoozes on Wed, Jan 14, 2009, at 8:30 AM
  • Our Thing,

    You have totally missed the point. We dont smoke where it is not welcome. AND non smokers have many more options for a "clean environment". Go back in the kitchen at your beloved Taco Bell and watch them make you a crunch wrap supreme. The maturity level of your posts are about as good as your handle.

    -- Posted by gladileft87 on Wed, Jan 14, 2009, at 8:32 AM
  • Here's another:

    Secondhand Smoke

    What is secondhand smoke?

    Secondhand smoke is also known as environmental tobacco smoke (ETS) or passive smoke. It is a mixture of 2 forms of smoke that comes from burning tobacco:

    * sidestream smoke: smoke that comes from the end of a lighted cigarette, pipe, or cigar

    * mainstream smoke: smoke that is exhaled by a smoker

    When non-smokers are exposed to secondhand smoke it is called involuntary smoking or passive smoking. Non-smokers who breathe in secondhand smoke take in nicotine and other toxic chemicals just like smokers do. The more secondhand smoke you are exposed to, the higher the level of these harmful chemicals in your body.

    Why is secondhand smoke a problem?

    Secondhand smoke causes cancer

    Secondhand smoke is classified as a "known human carcinogen" (cancer-causing agent) by the US Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), the US National Toxicology Program, and the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC), a branch of the World Health Organization.

    Tobacco smoke contains over 4,000 chemical compounds. More than 60 of these are known or suspected to cause cancer.

    Secondhand smoke causes other kinds of diseases and deaths

    Secondhand smoke can cause harm in many ways. In the United States alone, each year it is responsible for:

    * an estimated 35,000 deaths from heart disease in non-smokers who live with smokers

    * about 3,000 lung cancer deaths in non-smoking adults

    * other breathing problems in non-smokers, including coughing, mucus, chest discomfort, and reduced lung function

    * 150,000 to 300,000 lung infections (such as pneumonia and bronchitis) in children younger than 18 months of age, which result in 7,500 to 15,000 hospitalizations annually

    * increases in the number and severity of asthma attacks in about 200,000 to 1 million children who have asthma

    * more than 750,000 middle ear infections in children

    Pregnant women exposed to secondhand smoke are also at increased risk of having low birth weight babies.

    -- Posted by snoozes on Wed, Jan 14, 2009, at 8:32 AM
  • I can't believe with everything else going on, you are still yaking about smoking. get over it and move on.

    -- Posted by ontheside on Wed, Jan 14, 2009, at 8:34 AM
  • "Each year about 443,000 people in the United States die from illnesses related to cigarette smoking. Cigarettes kill more Americans than alcohol, car accidents, suicide, AIDS, homicide, and illegal drugs combined."

    I don't believe for a second less than 443,000 people die from all of those things combined.

    -- Posted by Green Eyes on Wed, Jan 14, 2009, at 8:42 AM
  • I understand what the non-smokers are saying yes the smoke does stink and yes I am a smoker.

    The problem is not my right to smoke or your right to clean air the problem with these laws is how the laws are made.

    As a smoker if the law is put to a vote of the people and it passes then what can I say the people have spoken.

    Here is the real problem if the government takes a way my smoking rights what's next?

    Free country my A$$

    -- Posted by Gal66 on Wed, Jan 14, 2009, at 8:58 AM
  • Thanks, Pressman. I'm glad you enjoyed the video. Lots of names showed up I'd forgotten. It recalled the memories of a typical Saturday afternoon lineup at the old Kiva Theatre in Slater.

    Here's the lilnk again for anyone else who missed it before when it got lost in all the conversation about reality shows and smoking. :)

    Cowboy Memories:


    -- Posted by Slater on Wed, Jan 14, 2009, at 9:50 AM
  • Gal 66,

    Great point. In NYC now that they have done away with smoking they are going after transfats. Once there is a foothold it will not end. If we truly want a free country we have to draw the line somewhere and maybe put up with another's vice in order to protect our own. Much like free speech.

    Cosa Nostra,

    Where exaclty are all of these places you go to that are stinking up your clothes? Is it bars?

    Hey, start a bar that doesn't allow smoking and the non smokers will beat a path to your door.

    Except for alot of people that I know who only smoke when they drink. They enjoy a night of drinking and smoking then it's back to regular life. They won't come to your non smoking bar.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Jan 14, 2009, at 9:55 AM
  • Cosa Nostra,

    The point is that these are privately owned establishments that happen to be open to the public. Your best arguement is with your wallet as you said. Like I said, if you build a better non-smoking mouse trap the world will beat a path to your door. If you feel that strongly about then just don't patronize those businesses.The number of businesses that don't allow smoking well exceed those that do. I do have to say that I was not even aware that Applebee's even had a smoking section.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Jan 14, 2009, at 11:18 AM
  • Cosa Nostra, you're right on target, in my opinion. It would be one thing is cigarette/cigar/pipe smoke only caused anyone or anything coming in contact with it to smell bad, but we all know the health risks associated with it.

    It's a choice to smoke or not, but it's no one's right to expose others to health risks. The only reason ordinances are in place to govern this activity is that smokers by and large are inconsiderate about their habit.

    All this conversation reminds me of a Steve Martin skit, where he's in a restaurant and the person at the next table says, "Pardon me. Do you mind if I smoke?" Martin's reply is, "Pardon me. Do you mind if I ****?"

    -- Posted by Slater on Wed, Jan 14, 2009, at 11:25 AM
  • Here's what to do about smoking:

    If you don't smoke, don't start.

    If you don't like being around people who smoke, don't spend your time around people who smoke.

    If your favorite bar, bowling alley, restaurant or other place of enjoyment/entertainment allows smoking, ask them to change their policy. There are others who agree with you on this issue, so get a group together and approach the owner of that establishment as a group.

    If those owners don't want to change their policy, take the initiative to contact city officials and see what it takes to change the law in your community. Make it a group effort -- it's more likely to be successful that way.

    If you really and truly think this is a serious health problem -- and I do not for one second disagree with you -- then DO SOMETHING to change the situation.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Wed, Jan 14, 2009, at 11:32 AM
  • Cosa Nostra - don't worry, I'll be just fine. My point is that the constant discussion does little to change the situation. Action is the only thing that has any real meaning.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Wed, Jan 14, 2009, at 11:54 AM
  • Just for grins, let's change the subject!! Brrr, is it cold outside? This smoking battle will go on long after we are all gone.

    -- Posted by writerintraining on Wed, Jan 14, 2009, at 12:07 PM
  • I remember some comedian saying that "a no smoking area in a restaurant makes about as much sense as a no peeing area in a swimming pool".

    -- Posted by outsider on Wed, Jan 14, 2009, at 12:25 PM
  • The smoking issue will never die. Frankly, I am not as passionate as people who want to threaten to flatulate in my space to pay me back. I don't even smoke in returaunts out of respect. But a bar, or bowling alley that allows it, is a diiferent deal. Hopefully spell check will be added to this soon, because I would hate to be criticized for something I am aware of. With that said. What is going on with all these teachers having innappropriate relations with students? A court in Washington State just said it was ok for a choir teacher to have sex with a student that was graduating because she was 18. That is worse than me smoking in any establishment. Bring on this conversation.

    -- Posted by gladileft87 on Wed, Jan 14, 2009, at 12:42 PM
  • Cosa Nostra the problem with your statement is you said someone that owens their own business should be able to make the rules for his business but then you turn right around and say those same business's should be smoke free.

    Lets say you get your wish that they ban all smoking in public places that means I can not go to a park and have a smoke how is that right.

    Then lets go one step further now we have a smoking ban placed on smoking hell lets ban alcohol, or hey you just let government ban smoking hell next they man ban some books or any number of things just because someone don't like it.

    -- Posted by Gal66 on Wed, Jan 14, 2009, at 12:47 PM
  • Wehw! Sometimes it's difficult to figure out which response goes to which comment. I'm assuming Derek Lavers is one of the 36 contestants on America Idol. Will he be on tonight's audition from KC?

    -- Posted by oneofmany on Wed, Jan 14, 2009, at 1:06 PM
  • Well if that's true...we must have 2 members from the community that are trying out for American Idol. That was not the name I heard...but I could be wrong. Good luck to whomever...

    -- Posted by pumpkin08 on Wed, Jan 14, 2009, at 1:33 PM
  • Your right Cosa Nostra your kind always have the same lame argument that goverment knows whats best for everyone.

    I bet your a pro gun control too.

    You want to see irrational look at the shape the country is with goverment help now.

    Yep the system works just fine how about the $750 billion bail out thats the system for you.

    I would guess you want the goverment to control everything in your life.

    Talk about LAME!!!!!!

    -- Posted by Gal66 on Wed, Jan 14, 2009, at 1:53 PM
  • Writerintraining, is it Derek Lavers on American Idol or someone else?

    -- Posted by oneofmany on Wed, Jan 14, 2009, at 2:21 PM
  • Air Force Wife:

    why in the hell would i take a newborn to the skating rink. to let them sit there and cry out of sheer bordem. I dont recall ever saying anything about going to a bar now did I? Point blank: You chose to smoke, we didnt so why subject us to it?

    -- Posted by marshallyouth on Wed, Jan 14, 2009, at 2:32 PM
  • also..you do know that they have now come up with third hand smoke. its when you come into contact with a person(s) who smoke not around you but do smoke and then in turn you smell like a week old ashtray.

    -- Posted by marshallyouth on Wed, Jan 14, 2009, at 2:37 PM
  • oneofmany,

    I have no idea. Someone else said that it was Derek. I'm assuming whomever it is, they will be from the Kansas city tryout tonight!

    -- Posted by writerintraining on Wed, Jan 14, 2009, at 3:58 PM
  • According to the following website there is a Derik Lavers that make it thru to Hollywood but it shows he is from Harlem, NY.


    -- Posted by stacyTX on Wed, Jan 14, 2009, at 4:50 PM
  • IT IS DEFINITELY DERIK LAVERS FROM MARSHALL!!!He moved to new york a few years ago,but it is definitely him and i'm assuming he auditioned at the New York auditions since he lives out there,so look for him there!

    -- Posted by joejoe5 on Wed, Jan 14, 2009, at 5:41 PM
  • marshallyouth - You said "Just ONCE I would love to head to the bowling alley with my family for some out of the house time, but I cant because I don't want to subject my newborn to the smoke." So does your infant enjoy the bowling alley more than a smoke free skating rink? Why would you take an infant to the bowling alley and subject him/her to the noise? Ask Freddie to make it smoke free during open bowling hours.

    -- Posted by Air Force Wife on Wed, Jan 14, 2009, at 10:11 PM
  • marshallyouth - I have never nor would I ever subject you or your newborn to my smoke. I and a lot of other smokers are very respectful of non-smokers so show a little respect back to us. I don't bash all drinkers even though the smell of alcohol makes me vomit. I simply make an effort to avoid it and you should do the same with smokers if you hate it so much.

    -- Posted by Air Force Wife on Wed, Jan 14, 2009, at 10:19 PM
  • Jo - thank you for bringing up the nauseous smell of cheap perfume which makes me sneeze and want to throw up. Maybe restaurants should be perfume free. We may be on to something here.......just keep pushing it. As someone said - where does it end?

    -- Posted by Air Force Wife on Wed, Jan 14, 2009, at 10:25 PM
  • Slater, thanks for the walk down memory lane.

    Saturday afternoon we had a good time,

    at the old Mary Lou, got in for a dime.

    A five cent Coke, with popcorn the same,

    its long gone now, and that is a shame.

    We'd get there early for a front row seat,

    two flicks and a cartoon, made the day complete.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 1:28 AM
  • Yes, because so many people die each year from the effects of second hand perfume smell and second hand BBQ smoke.

    Smokers will never change. You don't care about your own health, so why would we expect you to care about anyone else's health.

    -- Posted by Cheese on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 4:52 AM
  • Cheese - I am very healthy. Weight is right where it should be, I excercise and eat healthy foods. The comment was made that smokers smell bad. Lots of things smell bad. How many baby boomers grew up with one or both parents smoking in the house? During WWII, cigarettes were handed out like candy yet people are living to be in their 80's & 90's. Find something else to gripe about. Leave the smokers alone for a change.

    -- Posted by Air Force Wife on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 7:33 AM
  • Oh how funny. Can we say denial...smoking is healthy?...hey let's all start smoking...maybe the Y can start a smoking program for kids so they can grow up to be 80 and healthy.

    To compare cigarette smoke with anything else is just ludicrous.

    Smokers are amazing.

    -- Posted by Cheese on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 9:27 AM
  • Who is going to replace the MHS principal?

    -- Posted by gladileft87 on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 9:30 AM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    She just notified the district of her intention to leave. Generally it takes some time to select a successor, but we'll keep in touch with the administration and do a story as soon as that information is available.
  • Hopefully a non-smoker. LOL.

    -- Posted by Cheese on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 9:34 AM
  • Glad to see that know it all cheese raise his ugly head (NOT)

    -- Posted by GOCHIEFS on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 9:37 AM
  • Cheese - Usually "whine" and cheese make a good combination but this one is getting pretty old. Your comments have now become totally ridiculous.

    -- Posted by Air Force Wife on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 9:49 AM
  • GOCHIEFS.......How about Pioli?

    -- Posted by gladileft87 on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 9:51 AM
  • VERY GOOD CHOICE. To quote Jason Whitlock "The Chiefs landed the biggest fish in the off season NFL ocean" He will cure what ails ya. Just give him a couple years, But of course some so called fans will "bail" at the first sign of trouble.

    -- Posted by GOCHIEFS on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 10:01 AM
  • I dont think there will be trouble. He said he is going to touch the organization fron the ground up. I hope he goes after Shannahan like a big barking dog. I cant even imagine the excitement.

    -- Posted by gladileft87 on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 10:14 AM
  • No, Mike Shanahan is a smoker...he will stink up Arrowhead.

    -- Posted by Cheese on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 11:09 AM
  • WOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOO MY first deletion. WTG Eric good catch .{guess he doesnt get fumunda lol}

    -- Posted by GOCHIEFS on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 12:31 PM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    I do now. Ya learn something new every day.
  • Cheese..........you are truly a genius.

    -- Posted by gladileft87 on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 1:19 PM
  • OK Reader, you're very welcome.

    All of us who frequented the Slater movie house on those Saturday afternoons so many years ago thank YOU for the little rhyme! All we would have to do is replace theatre names; the rest was identical. :)

    -- Posted by Slater on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 3:47 PM
  • You know the comment by someone on here that the kid that was suspended from the high school for making threats should be sent to Butterfield, well that really ****** me off, why does this community always think that only bad kids go to Butterfield, well maybe you need to educate yourself, because alot of the kids are there because of parental problems, not because of behavior problems! The kid at the high school should be sent to DYS OR JAIL not Butterfield

    -- Posted by mofireman on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 9:29 PM
  • WoW, I have been reading over some of the comments that have been left on here, and I must say it has reminded me why I left Marshall many years ago. Some things just never change. I have seen post on smoking, obese people, and so on. I personally do not care what someone does in the privacy of there own home. This is why we live in the greatest place on Earth is to make the choices freely to live life the way we so choose. No one has the right to turn there nose up at anyone else. My mother use to tell me that we are all the same, we put our shoes on the same way, "One at a time." If people would pay a little more attention to the children in this country, maybe we would notice that it is the children whom need our attention the most. Daily a child is being bettin and alot of the times people see this and do not want to get involved and fail to report it. Maybe they are to busy worrying about the smokers or the obese.

    It is always easier to point at someone elses problems, but remember when you are pointing at someone else you have three fingers pointing right back at you. I miss Marshall from time to time, but I read stuff like I have read on here and it seems to take all that away. I do want to say that I remember Carol Smith when she was a teacher at MHS, and she is wonderful. She will do great in whatever she decides to do. Congrants Mrs. Smith, and God Bless You!

    -- Posted by moonraven94 on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 10:49 PM
  • The whole idea behind Butterfield's has nothing to do with problem children, but that they take in children that need help as far as I understand. Some have issues of their own but as mofireman points out it's not just their problems that put them there. Too bad so few get it.

    I'm not sure I have met a kid from there recently that would have done something like that. I'm sure they deal with big issues but from my experience they are just kids that need guidance.

    -- Posted by a realist on Thu, Jan 15, 2009, at 11:09 PM
  • For me it's not the act of smoking, it's the right to do so if you chose! A lot of women & men have gave their lives for freedom, and it seems to me that there is to many people ready to give up a lot of their rights, and that's not o. k. in my book! You can make an Argument about any subject and make it look your way.People are pretty easy to convince. I think the Bush Administration has made me Gun-Shy about a lot of things these days, sorry if i ****** you off,but that's life, i guess?

    -- Posted by Jo on Fri, Jan 16, 2009, at 1:29 AM
  • Smokers KNOW that smoking is bad for them. Smokers also know that non-smokers don't like second-hand smoke. Telling smokers how awful their habit is will not change their habit, it will likely make them more defiant. There are those who smoke, and those who don't, and clearly neither side is going to "win". PLEASE people.....let's stop talking about smoking!

    -- Posted by born-n-raised on Fri, Jan 16, 2009, at 7:30 AM
  • for all you still needing second hand smoke, did you know there was a fire at Valley last night.

    -- Posted by ontheside on Fri, Jan 16, 2009, at 9:47 AM
  • Is there an article on Slater Lady cats beating Fayette? If so please post and Thank You

    -- Posted by bballmom on Fri, Jan 16, 2009, at 9:57 AM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    We're a bit behind on sports news. Our sports editor has been out of the office for several days. We'll try to get caught up as soon as possible.
  • born-n-raised, i'm with you about the smoking chatter.

    politics, religion, smoking, and "reality" shows

    -- Posted by Slater on Fri, Jan 16, 2009, at 2:32 PM
  • the Lighthouse Thrift Store is going to be open 1-5 on Sunday's, starting 1/18. Thank's Lighthouse, I am one of those who often works too late to make it to the store during the week!

    -- Posted by bbnk on Fri, Jan 16, 2009, at 3:13 PM
  • How about some sports coverage? There's no local schedule in Friday's paper and the top sports story on the website is four days old. Enough "olds"; how about some news?

    -- Posted by raysfan on Fri, Jan 16, 2009, at 7:07 PM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    Our sports editor was unavailable for the past few days. We hope he'll be back in action next week and we can get caught up on what's been happening.
  • So, Yee Haw, I have a question for you. It's not okay to live in the trailer park because there are more suitable places to raise a child, yet it's okay to smoke? So, when you decide to go in and light up all those cigarettes just to irritate certain individuals, are you going to make sure only trailer trash are present? Living in the trailer court does not make you trash. Not trying to better yourself and make something of your life does.

    -- Posted by sapphireslipper on Fri, Jan 16, 2009, at 10:12 PM
  • Maybe they should have a smoker's registry so I will know if my neighbors smoke or not before I choose to move! You can twist it however you want, but you are the one that said raising your kids in a trailer park is not suitable. The part that is not suitable is that if you move and don't check who your neighbors are. They are everywhere you look. I looked at the registry for my local town, and not one sexual offender is located in either of the trailer parks. Most of them are actually in the 'ritzy' part of town. Maybe you shouldn't raise your kids anywhere.

    -- Posted by sapphireslipper on Sat, Jan 17, 2009, at 11:56 AM
  • i have some issues with "owl tv" and whoever is running that operation out there at the high school.

    first of all, i don't give a rats arse about the local high school channel, but i was flipping channels and saw this stupid heavy metal concert/program they had on earlier tonight on their free time on the local free channel.

    have seen this channel in the past, and it was pretty much par for the course, high schoolish at best ... but i saw this heavy metal crap on there tonight ... is that what our kids have become? is that what our "teachers" feel is productive? WHO is teaching this?

    i'm sorry folks, call me old-fashioned, but i'm having a hard time understanding this one. where is our level of education these days? who are the ones teaching this crap?

    the production is very good, congrats to the teacher ... the content and quality ... not quite so good. who's teaching our students these days?

    -- Posted by aikman8 on Sun, Jan 18, 2009, at 10:20 PM
  • The British called - They want their guns back!


    A must see for gun owners

    -- Posted by Gal66 on Mon, Jan 19, 2009, at 9:16 AM
  • as long as we are on the subject...i know this airs at a certain time every week, But i as many do rely on KMMO for info during severe weather. I can recall at least twice that this so called education show has butted in on channel 10 during the middle of severe weather replacing the weather broadcast which KMMO does such a great job of.Someone should at least check to see whats happening on the radio before blurting in on our tv.

    -- Posted by GOCHIEFS on Mon, Jan 19, 2009, at 9:31 AM
  • Come on Now, If you want radio information, buy a radio. Don't rely on a TV stations audio to get your information whens theres another alternative. I scene the heavy metal and it was horrible. I think the school needs to think about what they are doing a little bit better!!

    -- Posted by RedTruckRider on Mon, Jan 19, 2009, at 10:14 AM
  • Owl TV... while seeming senseless to us-- provides the kids a creative outlet - while learning. HeavyMetal.. PunkRock.. Grunge.. ScreamO.. is what they are interested in. My children are in HighSchool.. I like alot of what they listen too. Ya'll sound like my grandparents, for that matter, think back! You sound like YOUR parents! EWWWWWW..lol

    They are receiving "Hands On" learning experience with equipement that could help them in their future "selves" whom ever that be.

    My thumbs are up to the program. Takes alot to be a kid...put something together not only to be graded on... knowing it will be on OwlTV...but criticized, too.

    I'm Proud of them... I do find it amusing.

    -- Posted by nomad on Mon, Jan 19, 2009, at 5:49 PM
  • Ok I am back to The Bachelor. I am watching it and I believe Shannon leaves the show.

    -- Posted by marshallmom67 on Mon, Jan 19, 2009, at 7:59 PM
  • I see all the time on this blog about all the bad things about Marshall along with all the complaining and I am just as guilty as anyone else that posts here on a regular basis so I thought I would relay a good story for once about one of our long time retail businesses.

    Yesterday a couple of friends and I went out to the Vox Box to purchase a guitar for a disabled friend that could not even come close to getting the money together to get it for himself I got to talking to one of the guys out there and told him what we needed and of course he asked some questions and about who it was for well it turns out he knew the guy it was for and thought it was a great idea.

    He got us a great price and then even put some of his money in on it as way to pay it forward.

    Please if you are in need of the services the Vox Box offers give them a chance.

    -- Posted by Gal66 on Tue, Jan 20, 2009, at 10:37 AM
  • Nope, she's good for another week. She seems to genuinely dislike conflict and it shows.

    -- Posted by sapphireslipper on Tue, Jan 20, 2009, at 10:48 AM
  • Finally got a chance to read the article about Jacob Phillips.

    Congratulations, Jacob! You deserve the accolades.

    Let's also give honor to parents who see gifts in their kids and encourage those gifts - as well as instructors who challenge students to push the envelope and to become all they can be.

    Good work Andrea and Leon, and - of course, Mr. Ron Sayer.


    -- Posted by circuitrider on Tue, Jan 20, 2009, at 11:59 AM
  • I was reading through the posts trying to figure out what happened to the town that I remember from my childhood when I came up on some posts about marshall.

    I grew up here, I remember walking from my grandma's house on Miami with my cousin to Ardvarks in the plaze on fridays after school to rent movies and a Nintendo for the weekend or riding our bikes out to the park to go to the pool.

    Now Ardvarks is gone, The pool is a lost cause and the intire park is field with Teenagers drinking and aparently Haveing sex as one officer of the Marshall Police told me in a conversation. What happened to the Town where people waved when you went by, Even if they didn't know you.

    Who remembers when at night the square had cars parked around it and people roamed and talked and had a goodtime. Well you can't do that anymore the County commision has banned anyone from square grounds unless you have a reason and you still can't be up there at night. This is a public building where our tax dollars go. Maybe the local Police department should get off there Butts and do some police work. <---This most likly is going to spark people into slamming on what I say but TOO BAD.

    My neighboor is a bit of a trouble maker, The cops have been called to his house alot. Acouple of weeks ago we had to call because his 14 year old girl came to our door at 11:30 at night because her dad was being attacked my her uncle. I called the cops and went over to see what I could do. When the cops finily got there OFFICER Parton acted like he could have caredless about any of it. The girl isn't the youngest in the house. None of the 5 or 6 cops even asked the kids if they were alright. He acted like it was a waste of his time to be doing his JOB!!

    Come on Marshall when I had to move out of town I missed home. Not just my house but my home town. Lets not trade to local movie stores for a "RedBox" or our home town grocery stores for wal-mart. I'm Proud to be a Marshan! Even tho our slogan is "Smart dog Nice people" Should we have maybe Voted as a town on that one? LOL

    -- Posted by Selmac8 on Tue, Jan 20, 2009, at 1:47 PM
  • The pool is a lost cause? My kids love the aquatics center. Indian Foothills park is a treasure in this town. If the closing of Aadvark video is such a big loss to you, Selmac8, I would recommend getting out more. Take a drive through the park and enjoy all it has to offer. The park director and all of his crew have worked diligently in making the park something all citizens of Marshall can enjoy. My family spends a great deal of time at the park and I have never seen anyone having sex. Maybe I'm just going to the wrong places.

    -- Posted by born-n-raised on Tue, Jan 20, 2009, at 3:33 PM
  • midmocat,

    Grow up!

    -- Posted by Marshall Citizen on Tue, Jan 20, 2009, at 4:13 PM
  • Wow..

    SEX at the park!!!!!!!!!


    -- Posted by Hombre on Tue, Jan 20, 2009, at 4:35 PM
  • Let's see if you still feel that way once he walks on water, cat.

    -- Posted by outacuriocity on Tue, Jan 20, 2009, at 4:35 PM
  • This is to midmocat. It sounds just like you. A lot of hot air and don't know what to do with it. Also, for your information, I voted for John McCain.

    There was an important job to be done and Everybody was asked to do it. Everybody was sure Somebody would do it. Anybody could have done it, but Nobody did it.

    Somebody got angry about that because it was Everybody's job.

    Everybody thought Anybody could do it, but Nobody realized that Everybody wouldn't do it.

    It ended up that Everybody blamed Somebody when actually Nobody asked Anybody.

    -- Posted by missourikid on Tue, Jan 20, 2009, at 5:33 PM
  • I also voted for John Mcain, but President Obama won the race fair and square. I wouldnt give a hoot if he was green, just as long as he can help our nation.

    Lets all of us give him a chance!. Did you ever seen the home that he lived in, well I have and let me tell you this I think he knows how much a gallon of milk cost and the price of bread.

    Unlike Former President Bush, who is an

    oil billionaire whats it matter to him that we the american people got screwed over the past 4 years, I hope Obama is the ansewer and I dont think he can flub it up any worst than Bush.

    -- Posted by mofireman on Tue, Jan 20, 2009, at 5:44 PM
  • mainly because of kool-aid drinking tree hugging hippies,

    -- Posted by nancy007 on Tue, Jan 20, 2009, at 6:01 PM
  • mofireman I am with you I also voted for Mcain, but President Obama was the winner and I would like nothing more than for him to be the best President we have ever had Lord knows we need a good one.

    -- Posted by Gal66 on Tue, Jan 20, 2009, at 9:38 PM
  • Nancy007,

    Rush Limbaugh called. He wants his talking points back.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 6:58 AM
  • What a wonderful day yesterday was.

    We got a new Government. Bush became just a bad memory, and Republican obstructionism in the Senate is almost impossible now. It was a new day in America, and our long National nightmare is over.

    Its time to rebuild America.

    Congradulations folks!!

    What a wonderful day it is today!

    -- Posted by news across the neocon empire on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 7:25 AM
  • Smokin' Cheetah you got it wrong!

    You should have said "So help us god"

    Cause with Obama in there we are going to need

    all the help we can get. He will be remembered

    as the man who destroyed the greatest nation

    on earth. The next 4 years will be marked with

    Fear and death, Because Obama doesn't have the

    stones to do what it takes to keep Americans safe.

    Close Gitmo! OMG the people there are MURDERS and

    would like nothing better than to see the USA and

    its people dead. But Obama wants to let them go.

    About the my previous post.

    I never said I saw "Sex" in the park, This was

    what a Senior Marshall police officer told me.

    Drive threw the park!? Yea right, Speed traps and cops talking on there cell phones. Thats the place I wanna be! Some of you people in Marshall are completly oblivious to 90% of what goes on in this town. Why don't you get out and 'Drive" around and see what this town is now.

    "If the closing of Aadvark video is such a big loss to you, Selmac8, I would recommend getting out more."

    I'm just sick of home owned business closing and being replaced by business that have no intrest in our town other than money. If you were truly "Born-N-raised" in Marshall you would care about the town more. As for the "Aquatics center"

    I still say its a waste money. Why go to the "aquatics center" when you can go to the Y.M.C.A. and swim and do other activities. The Y.M.C.A. would benefit more from the money that were flushing down the drain in that decreped patch of trees and gravel roads we call a park.

    SO everyone knows I have no affiliation with the Y.M.C.A. nore do I even hold a membership.

    ""Can't wait to see the Flaming that this post is sure to inspire""

    **Quickly I would like to say I am glad to be having this discusion in a open forum in a country that may not like or agree with what you say but gives you the right to say it.**

    -- Posted by Selmac8 on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 2:00 PM
  • Mr. Crump, I think the wall is due for the "we don't need to write novels on it speach" again...

    -- Posted by RedTruckRider on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 2:41 PM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    You're right. There have been a couple of loooong comments posted lately. It's tough sometimes to be concise, I know. Reminds me of a quote: "I have made this letter longer than usual, only because I have not had the time to make it shorter." --Blaise Pascal
  • "Speach"



    It's amazing to me some of you people are able to tie your shoes.

    -- Posted by outacuriocity on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 3:02 PM
  • Selmac8

    You are woefully ill informed and your acidic comments ring hollow to those who remember the past 8 years. Obama isn't letting anyone go but he is demanding the basic human rights that we as a country supposedly hold in high regard. Closing Gitmo will also no longer afford us a place off USA soil in which to torture. Say anything you want. I don't want anyone tortured in my name,do you?

    Do you realize the GWB and Cheney admitted to torture and now there are over 140 countries that could possibly arrest them should they ever travel there?

    Is that a legacy that you are proud of?

    There is no such thing as "perfect safety" anyway. It would do well for you to shut your mouth and open your mind as to what our policies have been overseas that may have drove those to want to harm us. Post 9/11, illegally invading a sovereign nation comes to mind. Does that little jewel make you feel safer? Does it make you feel proud?

    As to Obama destroying this country in the next four years how can he possibly do what when someone has beaten him to it?

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 3:10 PM
  • Thank you, What the f..., you saved me a lot of time responding to Selmac8, whose viewpoints bewilder and scare me.

    -- Posted by born-n-raised on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 4:15 PM
  • Ahh the I feel so warm and fuzzy being flamed!

    Thank you Thank you Thank you Thank you.

    :)You talk about rights we hold in high reguard then tell me to shut up. :) Have you ever been outside the U.S.? Bet not

    -- Posted by Selmac8 on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 4:25 PM
  • I have read comments regarding politics and sex (in our park!!). How about discussing another subject people do not agree on? Religion. I am not a member of any religious organization. I feel if a person is honest, trustworthy, a hard worker and who knows (and practices)the difference between right and wrong, they are good people. I think you can find good people everywhere (even in countries we are at war with). I think fear and ignorance are the driving forces behind all the hatred and distrust of things and people who are outside our comfort zones. It does not matter to me if you are a Catholic, Baptist, Mormon or Muslum. If you are a responsible, respectful person, you are O.K. in my book.

    P.S. I do believe in angels. I think we all have one of our very own. I try not to **** off my angel - she has something of a mean streak!

    -- Posted by i'mback/didyoumissme on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 4:27 PM
  • 'tis nothing more than a username, Mr. Cheetah... and my account tied to it being spelled correctly had already been banned. I liked the play on "city" so I used it, tied to another email account, so as to get by the man.

    Nice try though, sport.

    -- Posted by outacuriocity on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 4:29 PM
  • Who told Selmac8 to shut up? Did I miss something?

    -- Posted by born-n-raised on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 6:56 PM
  • Politics and sex (in our park) What do we have, only one park. Make up your mind. Which was it, politics or sex.. It sounds like you don't like either one.

    -- Posted by missourikid on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 11:10 PM
  • Religion is the root of all evil!

    If you have a faith, it is statistically overwhelmingly likely that it is the same faith as your parents and grandparents had. No doubt soaring cathedrals, stirring music, moving stories and parables, help a bit. But by far the most important variable determining your religion is the accident of birth. The convictions that you so passionately believe would have been a completely different, and largely contradictory, set of convictions, if only you had happened to be born in a different place. Epidemiology, not evidence

    Out of all of the sects in the world, I notice an uncanny coincidence: the overwhelming majority just happen to choose the one that their parents belong to. Not the sect that has the best evidence in its favour, the best miracles, the best moral code, the best cathedral, the best stained glass, the best music: when it comes to choosing from the smorgasbord of available religions, their potential virtues seem to count for nothing, compared to the matter of heredity. This is an unmistakable fact; nobody could seriously deny it. Yet people with full knowledge of the arbitrary nature of this heredity, somehow manage to go on believing in their religion, often with such fanaticism that they are prepared to murder people who follow a different one.

    Everyone is a non-believer of all gods but their one and we were all born atheists.

    We are all atheists about most of the gods that humanity has ever believed in. Some of us, we atheists, just go one god further.

    Religion was just an amusing superstition doing very little harm to those of us atheists but 9/11 changed all of that. Now we must take it serous and eliminate it.

    -- Posted by White Tornado on Wed, Jan 21, 2009, at 11:24 PM
  • Could it be that the massive, and dominant Boomer generation, that has overwhelmed our culture since the late sixties have only provided two presidents (Bill Clinton and George W. Bush) from their midst when they are said and done?

    Barack Obama is usually referred to as a post Boomer, although statistically he fits the Boomer slot according to the U.S. census (which does not concern itself with the cultural meaning of Boomer). Will all the future presidents be Obama's age or younger?

    It may be that the Boomers will find a new champion within their ranks as they reach social security age, and fight with their huge numbers to retain a viable retirement benefit. After all old folks do vote.

    Oh yes, lest I forget that forgotten generation between The Greatest Generation and the Boomers, my generation, we produced no presidents. Due to the depression, and world war two that followed, there were not many of us born so we were not loud enough to have our screams heard.

    We have been the observers, commenting and carping from the sidelines, too weak to enforce our opinions, in our frustration joining first the older, then the younger generation.

    We shouted from the sidelines with the voices of Bob Dylan and the Beatles to the younger generation passing us by, hoping they would hear us "...psst...the old ones are frauds". Some did. I'm done.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Jan 22, 2009, at 12:16 AM
  • Good to see you back WT. You always provide food for thought.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Jan 22, 2009, at 12:40 AM
  • So what I would like to know is who is correct in their belief system. Seems to me there are a few religions out there who only believe that their God exists. The Buddhists and Mormons have their own "higher power" to warship, and what about the JedI clan we cant forget about them. So if we have numerous religions, well we all can't have the one and only so which is it, or is it any at all?

    -- Posted by para-chic on Thu, Jan 22, 2009, at 1:14 AM

    Clearly, God has revealed himself to different people in different ways. For some his Name is Krishna, others might refer to God as Allah, most of us in the Western World refer to him as simply God.

    No matter what name we attach to Him, the basic message is the same... always give thanks to him for his blessings upon us, live a good life, do unto others as you would have them do to you, be kind to all you meet, forgive others as you would have them forgive you, be charitable with the less fortunate, help the sick, and feed the hungry. Faiths of all types have brought timeless comfort to believers, hope, and a belief in something greater than ourselves.

    I think perhaps its those things that matter more than creed.

    -- Posted by news across the neocon empire on Thu, Jan 22, 2009, at 5:06 AM
  • White Tornado,

    I agree with some of your points but not all.

    You call yourself an atheist and you call for the elimination of religion. Seems to me as if that requires the same amount of hubris and absolution of theory as those whom you rail against.

    The fact is that you have no more proof that there is no god then the religious have proof that there is a god. If everyone thought like you, that we must eliminate the other then we can only expect Mutually Assured Destruction. MAD.

    If we have to label people I would be considered an agnostic. I can't say for sure either way (actually no one can) that there is or isn't a god.

    That being said I won't stand for someone to try and dictate the way I live my life based on thier religious convictions anymore than I can support anyone who demands the elimination of all religion.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Thu, Jan 22, 2009, at 7:08 AM
  • Just to be on the safe side in our beautiful park. Lets install a prophylactic machine in all bathrooms so we know that our kids are safe...

    -- Posted by RedTruckRider on Thu, Jan 22, 2009, at 7:20 AM
  • Some interesting trivia:

    Alot of people don't know that there are actually three distinct sizes of prophylactics.


    Medium and



    -- Posted by What the f...... on Thu, Jan 22, 2009, at 7:55 AM
  • notgvn...

    I'm REASONABLY certain he/she was being sarcastic. Lighten up, Frances.

    -- Posted by outacuriocity on Thu, Jan 22, 2009, at 10:37 AM
  • HAHAHA i was only joking about the machines. Although I take my little ones into the bathroom at mid-way truck stop on a family outing. They have prophylactic machines in there and my kids ask what it is, I reply its grown up stuff and its dropped...

    -- Posted by RedTruckRider on Thu, Jan 22, 2009, at 11:02 AM
  • Let me clarify, I have no problems with religion, with people having their own god anymore than I object to Santa Claus, Tooth Fairy or the Easter Bunny. Fun time for kids but not something a reasonable adult would use as a life style model.

    I object to others telling me to face East and bow down 5 times per day in honor of the Tooth Fairy. If you don't we will bomb your malls or fly airplanes into your buildings. Well, the Tooth Fairy came to me in a dream last night and said,"Knock it off already! I'm running out of virgins up here."

    BTW "What the F-" proving a negative can't be done. I can't prove there is no such thing as God, Easter Bunny, Thor, Santa Claus, Allah, Tooth Fairy et al, anymore than you can prove there is. And, Cheetah, your "a"- argument is semantics at best. I'm also asanta and aeasterbunny. Are you saying that's not possible because they never existed in the first place? Did you miss the point that everyone is a non-believer?

    New subject:

    The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money.

    -- Posted by White Tornado on Thu, Jan 22, 2009, at 11:25 AM
  • God I miss Marshall.

    (That's sarcasm, for those wondering.)

    -- Posted by tinaperkle on Thu, Jan 22, 2009, at 11:54 AM
  • so,HeeYaw,You think living in a Trailor Park makes you Trailor trash my parents live at Lakeview and they are not trash,Trailors are nice my parents keep up their yard they make sure theres no trash around my mother works hard on keeping her house clean. You probably are one of them people that live in a rich neighborhood in a house but it upsets me that you say people that live in Trailor Parks are trailor trash and I argue the point my parents are not TRASH they are descent people it seems to me you have no respect for others that can't afford to live in the rich part of Marshall but Trailors are also nice Man why would you disrespect people,thats wrong of you to say things about people you don't know, I so disagree with you putting down people that have homes in a Trailor Parks.

    -- Posted by nanaof5 on Thu, Jan 22, 2009, at 12:12 PM
  • New subject: politics. How do I feel about the appointment of Tim Geithner as Sec. of Treas.? I'm glad you asked that. I consider it an abomination demonstrating the continuing corruption within our government.

    First of all, here's a man who has not paid taxes for over 10 years (not sure just how long so correct me if you know for sure). So when he was vetted for the new position, he realized he had to pay before others found out. That process of vetting,required for all such appointments, was his motivation to pay. His explanation?

    The tax code is so complex he didn't know that self-employed folks had to file and pay taxes! Yeah, right! So, he's too dumb to understand the same tax code you and I have to know, or to dumb/cheap to get help, ie, CPA, H&R Block, etc. But he is knowledgeable enough to only pay seven back years instead of 10+ as 7 years is the statute of limitations on back taxes except where fraud is proven which has no limitations.

    What does that mean to me? He's either an outright crook (most likely) or he's too dumb to be qualified for the job. Either way, if Geithner is appointed this will be a major erosion of Barrack Obama's ethics in my opinion. And I was overwhelmed, confused and appalled when I saw Republican Senators making excuses for Geithner during the hearings I watched one Sen. even remarked that he had been trying for years to re-write the tax code so people could understand it and that Geithner had been a victim of the complex code!

    -- Posted by White Tornado on Thu, Jan 22, 2009, at 1:04 PM
  • wow where are all the bored spell checkers? i can't believe someone is not all over the trailor vs. trailer issue:}

    -- Posted by marshallite on Thu, Jan 22, 2009, at 1:20 PM
  • Marshallite... I was too busy trying to figure out where the "rich part of Marshall" was.

    -- Posted by tinaperkle on Thu, Jan 22, 2009, at 1:29 PM
  • i can tell you where it is NOT...lol. but then again define "rich"?:}

    -- Posted by marshallite on Thu, Jan 22, 2009, at 1:59 PM
  • Gosh, can't you just feel the love here?

    -- Posted by born-n-raised on Thu, Jan 22, 2009, at 4:13 PM
  • White Tornado,

    I recommend Dana Milbank's account of Geithner's confirmation hearing.

    "You would not be mistaken to think there was a bit of showbiz going on with Geithner's hearing yesterday. Senators plan to confirm him, but they don't want to encourage tax cheats. The solution: 3 1/2 hours of ritual flagellation."


    -- Posted by Eric Crump on Thu, Jan 22, 2009, at 4:16 PM
  • Cheetah, maybe you really think a person is born with faith but I find that counter intuitive in that I certainly wasn't. Abandoned shortly after birth and passed from one hand to another for my first 7 years, I never had anyone mention religion to me. Back in the late '30's and early '40's they were all more involved with finding food.

    Finally adopted into a family at age 14, I never had anyone mention religion so why am I not a person of faith if your statement is correct that we are all born with faith? And if the christian God is the correct one, why aren't more christians born to Jews, Muslams, vice versa?

    And how do you feel about the Bible? I read it from cover to cover, from "In the beginning--" to the final word, "Amen" at age twelve and still recall all the horror, the threat of eternal damnation, threat of being cast into fire for all eternity. It's rather amusing how persons of faith only mention things as they would like them to be, quoting out of context.

    And slavery is a frequent subject. You're allowed to have slaves as long as you treat them fairly and get them from a neighboring country. But only two! (Does that make it legal to keep a couple of mexican gardeners)?

    I still say that religion is the root of all evil. More people throughout history have died, been slaughtered, starved in the name of religion than all the rest of the causes of death. Almost all wars have been a product of religious disagreements.

    What has 'theology' ever said that is of the smallest use to anybody? When has 'theology' ever said anything that is demonstrably true and is not obvious? What makes you think that 'theology' is a subject at all? Faith is the great cop-out, the great excuse to evade the need to think and evaluate evidence. Faith is belief in spite of, even perhaps because of, the lack of evidence.

    I am against religion because it teaches us to be satisfied with not understanding the world.

    -- Posted by White Tornado on Thu, Jan 22, 2009, at 8:20 PM
  • To: Eric Crump, I tried that link for the item on Geithner but I can't access it due to my security program which I hesitate to comprimise. I have too many financial assets at risk. Is there another site? I'll google it and see what I can find. Thanks

    -- Posted by White Tornado on Thu, Jan 22, 2009, at 8:25 PM
  • White Tornado: Here's the full link for the story Eric mentioned:


    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Thu, Jan 22, 2009, at 9:16 PM
  • there was a big brawl on jackson street tuesday night involving many drunks, heard it on a scanner as it was happening, several people taken to the hospital, rakes and hoes involved, a broken arm and blood all over weapons, according to the officer on the scanner ... how come we have not seen any of this reported in the paper?

    -- Posted by aikman8 on Fri, Jan 23, 2009, at 12:18 AM
  • I think everyone can believe in what ever you chose,that's life. But Science and reasoning has been my philosophy! With out it your just a blind follower. People use Religion,as a escape from reality.(I feel) if we have faith in each other,this to me, would be an Honest choice. My belief is, your Heaven & Hell is right here and now,with the choicés you make in life! Religion is a tool. I have no fear,being a non believer.if you live your life honestly and caring, you've done the best you can do! I like Oklahoma & White Tornado's Piece on this!

    -- Posted by Jo on Fri, Jan 23, 2009, at 12:33 AM
  • Eric. Why don't we have the local police report published? It seems to be a staple in most other small town papers I've read.

    -- Posted by GOCHIEFS on Fri, Jan 23, 2009, at 4:34 AM
  • Kathy Fairchild and Eric, Thanks for the info and help. I did google the subject and found info that helped "clearify" things for me. So obviously I stand corrected on the "dumb" issue (which was more tongue-in-cheek that serious) but stand by my "crook" assessment. Bill Clinton was empeached for less than what Tim's done.

    Geithner ignored the tax law even when fully informed of his duties by IMF several times. Again, the excuse I heard on TV news was that he didn't understand the tax code. He, as well, was hiring undocumented immigrants. (An issue I don't think should be a crime but that's another subject. The law still stands until corrected!)

    -- Posted by White Tornado on Fri, Jan 23, 2009, at 9:20 AM
  • Aikman...

    Because the reporting team is chasing week-old fires involving window frames at MVC.

    -- Posted by outacuriocity on Fri, Jan 23, 2009, at 10:13 AM
  • Marshallite>>Hey excuse me but Trailer....Trailor whats the difference I just don't think it is right for others to judge where you live some ppl cannot afford to live in a $700.00 or $800.00 home and Mobile Homes are very nice and still my parents pay $500.00 a month for their Trailer that does not make them less of a person because they live in a Trailer Park that does not make them Trailer TRASH now does it NO! Do you ever not spell a word wrong and not notice you did till it was to late to correct the spelling, I have seen several others not spell the words right or even finish a word on here. So why you so rude.

    -- Posted by nanaof5 on Fri, Jan 23, 2009, at 10:18 AM
  • wow nana...i was merely crackin on the folks that generally go crazy when someone types in CAPS or speelz sumthin rong!! even added the standard lil smiley thing at the end! had nothing what so ever to do with where anyone chooses to reside. not everything is a personal attack ya know?

    -- Posted by marshallite on Fri, Jan 23, 2009, at 10:28 AM
  • aikman8: Police records indicate a fight among three men Tuesday evening, Jan. 20, on West Jackson Street in Marshall resulted in the arrest of Jose Cosme Xolio, 35, of Marshall, and Rayes Xolo Cagal, 35, also of Marshall, for disorderly conduct.

    The two were taken to Fitzgibbon Hospital for treatment of their injuries and released pending an appearance March 3 in Municipal Court.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Fri, Jan 23, 2009, at 11:40 AM
  • So now you folks are printing the names of those arrested in the "Speak Out" section but not in a news story? I've often wondered when I read a news story in the MDN why it would say "a 25-year-old Marshall man was arrested for (insert crime here) Saturday" with no name... I've been told the crew opts to wait until the accused is charged. Doesn't make sense since he was still arrested, but whatever.

    Maybe you folks should nix the paper and just do a "Speak Out" report. It seems to be a more accurate account of the news.

    -- Posted by outacuriocity on Fri, Jan 23, 2009, at 11:49 AM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    Their names were printed because they have been charged.
  • that's not what Ms. Fairchild's post says... and if they haven't been to court yet how have they been charged?

    All I'm saying, as a reader who ATTEMPTS to get his news from the MDN, is just get a policy and stick with it. The one you have (not named until charged, regardless of an arrest report which any goomer can pick up at the police station) doesn't make sense to me, quite frankly, but it should be uniform.

    It doesn't make sense to name a few Jose's in a "Speak Out" for beating each other up and then you let some dude get arrested for selling a couple truckloads of pot and not name him until months later... if at all.

    -- Posted by outacuriocity on Fri, Jan 23, 2009, at 11:58 AM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    Every policy has its exceptions, but our policy was followed to the letter in this case.
  • outacuriocity: The men named *were* charged - each received a summons for a court appearance. These are municipal charges, which are handled differently from those brought by county officials.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Fri, Jan 23, 2009, at 12:02 PM
  • outacuriocity, I agree, in part, with what you are saying. It's frustrating to read a story and realize that at that end, you really don't have the information you want. Why do I care that someone got arrested if I'm not provided a name? Please MDN, save the crime reporting until you are willing to add the name of the alleged perpetrator; otherwise, it's really not news.

    -- Posted by born-n-raised on Fri, Jan 23, 2009, at 12:21 PM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    The rationale for the policy goes like this: People are arrested because they are suspected of a crime. But in some cases, no charges are filed because prosecutors deem that no charges are justified. Sometimes that's because of lack of evidence. Sometimes lack of evidence means the person did not actually have any involvement in the crime. However, people often conclude that arrest = guilt. People who are not charged with a crime may be entirely innocent, but their reputation will almost certainly be seriously damaged by the perceived guilt associated with arrest. Once charges are filed, a second stage in the vetting process has occurred and it's more likely (but not yet established as fact) the person was involved in some way. I realize this is a cautious policy. I realize it is unusual. But the consequences in the few cases where an innocent person is arrested are pretty serious. The delay in releasing the name of the accused is generally only a day or two. Seems like a small price to pay to protect the innocent.
  • Several years ago, I lived in a resort (aka trailer park) located on the banks of a beautiful lake. My friends and I use to joke about being "trailer trash with a lake view". We were not rich, just a bunch of ordinary working stiffs who lucked out getting a front line space. I think the term "trailer trash" refers more to a person's mentality then to a person's home.

    -- Posted by i'mback/didyoumissme on Fri, Jan 23, 2009, at 12:21 PM
  • I also heard on the scanner about Tuesday Night on Jackson about blood being every where to get Ambulance on the way and the officer was asking to send a certain police officer to the scene

    -- Posted by nanaof5 on Fri, Jan 23, 2009, at 12:24 PM
  • Marshallite... Sorry for being so rude, I always try to protect my parents

    -- Posted by nanaof5 on Fri, Jan 23, 2009, at 12:43 PM
  • Eric... In response to your re: to bornnraised's post: Do you guys keep a log of what stories you've published with NO names in them to make sure that when charges are filed, you do stories that HAVE names?

    It seems to me there are plenty of stories I've seen in your paper that have anonymous people arrested for one infraction or another nd then I hear NOTHING in terms of a follow if and when there are charges. So I NEVER know what 25-year-old meth head in the sticks was nabbed for ... you name it.

    If I'm going on how many stories I see an arrest sans name and then a story, charges, WITH a name, well... I can't believe THAT many people get arrested but not charged. Seems that ought to be a story... who's either 1) Arresting for the sheer sport of it or 2) Not making charges stick or is it 3) A reporter never following up on a story.

    And, again, saying they were arrested would still be accurate. I understand being cautious. But that doesn't negate the fact that the accused WAS arrested.

    -- Posted by outacuriocity on Fri, Jan 23, 2009, at 1:45 PM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    We do.
  • then there are a lot of people getting arrested for the hell of it.

    -- Posted by outacuriocity on Fri, Jan 23, 2009, at 2:35 PM
  • I for one would like to see a little more news and a lot less "fluff"

    -- Posted by GOCHIEFS on Fri, Jan 23, 2009, at 2:56 PM
  • you mean the series of novels about soldiers that are longer than the war don't give you your "news" fix, Chief?

    -- Posted by outacuriocity on Fri, Jan 23, 2009, at 3:03 PM
  • I have no idea what that even means

    -- Posted by GOCHIEFS on Fri, Jan 23, 2009, at 3:04 PM
  • I was being sarcastic.

    I meant the stories of late about the war guy were about 50 inches long... if the staff had done a 30 incher on the guy and then given some time to get some "news" reporting done, we'd all be happy.

    -- Posted by outacuriocity on Fri, Jan 23, 2009, at 3:08 PM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    I was pretty happy with the length of those stories. We don't often get a chance to get a detailed account of how our soldiers spend their time on overseas assignment. Saline County is farmland. I figured Larry's work and stories would be particularly interesting to our readers. If we'd had more copy I'd have run it.
  • ahhhhh, I agree than. well said

    -- Posted by GOCHIEFS on Fri, Jan 23, 2009, at 3:12 PM
  • I'm just saying there is a place for both... and the "news" part seems lacking.

    But then what do I know? I'm just a reader.

    You decision makers/gatekeepers make the call on what's in the paper.

    But if I had my pick, there'd be more "news" and less "fluff." And I'm glad to see I'm not alone. You seem to think you know what readers want to see... I'm just (as is Chief, I believe) giving a different perspective. In short, you might consider publishing NEWS.

    -- Posted by outacuriocity on Fri, Jan 23, 2009, at 3:51 PM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    The proportion of news to feature content is determined to a certain extent by what's happening in the community at any given time, but I do make decisions about what to run and how to place it in the paper. There's no formula for that (thank goodness) and judgment is -- I know -- always open to question.

    As always, I'm glad to hear what readers think about the paper.

  • LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL...oh, seriously...I can hardly stop laughing long enough to type this....you'd all be HAPPY? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Fri, Jan 23, 2009, at 4:14 PM
  • I might have overstated, Kathy.

    But just for kicks and grins, how's about you quit "LOL"ing and "Speaking Out" and actually go GATHER some news and see what happens. Wacky, no? A reporter REPORTING?

    Maybe I won't be "happy," but at least then maybe I'd feel I was being more informed as to what's going on in Marshall from the newspaper instead of from my neighbor with the scanner.

    Why pay for the paper?

    Still laughing?

    -- Posted by outacuriocity on Fri, Jan 23, 2009, at 4:30 PM
  • Yes, outacuriocity, I certainly am. See? :)

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Fri, Jan 23, 2009, at 5:22 PM
  • a question from someone who doesn't live in Marshall..... does the local gossip mill really need the names of every person who gets picked up for anything? Doesn't anyone realize the embarrassment to family members - especially if the "crook" has children? I'm not suggesting protect the guilty but do protect the innocent. Arrest records are public information but does the local paper really need to pay someone to report all the crime in a small town? It really makes the town seem less than inviting.

    -- Posted by Air Force Wife on Fri, Jan 23, 2009, at 5:32 PM
  • Actually, AF Wife, that's the subject of a lot of debate. We have some who say we print too much and others who say we don't print enough. Our current policy is to withhold the names of those arrested until they are actually charged with a crime. We go ahead and do the story and then if charges are brought, we update the story with the name(s).

    As Eric has mentioned in the past, we don't print names until charges are brought because there are times when charges never materialize.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Fri, Jan 23, 2009, at 6:17 PM
  • Back to my original concern, it's really not news unless the name of the perpetrator is included in the article. I would rather MDN wait and put a story in the paper with ALL of the facts, then waste my time with a few of the facts. It's extremely frustrating. It's like publishing an obituary with no name, but letting everyone know how the deceased died.

    -- Posted by born-n-raised on Fri, Jan 23, 2009, at 7:10 PM
  • Comments about the recent OwlTV broadcast have prompted me to make an entry to this blog to hopefully clarify a few things about the music video found on Show 100. First of all I am an OwlTV staff member and was part of the music video. The song that you heard was not Heavy Metal or Grunge or for that matter "Crap" as it has been referred. The song is actually titled "The People's Elbow" by the group Attack Attack. They are a Christian Rock group. (hopefully this doesn't start an argument about church and state) The music was used by permission and was approved by Mr. Fawkes our instructor.

    Never-the-less this production was not really about the music or the content of the music video. It was a lesson in video production as assigned by the instructor. We had less than 4 hours to plan, shoot, and edit this video, using 3 cameras, multiple angles, and sync to music. This was merely our amateur solution to the assignment.

    OwlTV is a very hard class that requires a lot of time on our part. We try very hard to have a 15 min. broadcast every week. Mr. Fawkes refers to this as a Performance Event. No other classes at MHS require students to make their work available to the public on a weekly basis. We have other responsibilities also with OwlTV including scriptwriting, production, lighting, sound and many more technical aspects. We also do stories about the community, school, and news, along with the King and Queen Candidate videos throughout the year. We are now on show 101 over the past 4 years.

    If you want to know more about OwlTV go to www.owltv.org and you can see our other shows archived there. We just need your support.

    Sincerely Head Anchor

    Trey Clemons =)

    -- Posted by Anchorman on Fri, Jan 23, 2009, at 7:57 PM
  • born-n-raised: I do see your point, but there are plenty of people who disagree with you. If we don't publish anything until the names are available, then a certain number of crimes wouldn't be reported at all. Reporting the mere fact of an arrest, when it's possible no charges will ever be filed, seems quite harsh. For us, this is a no-win situation, no matter how we do it.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Fri, Jan 23, 2009, at 9:02 PM

    Police were dispatched to the 500 block of Aaron Burr after a battle of words escalated to a gunfight between residents on opposite sides of the street. No one was injured, but the air was thick with bad words and cordite, and breathing was laborious. Stay tuned for details as they become available!

    * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

    Is it my imagination, or are the Republicans suddenly becoming contrary over the latest stimulus proposal? I didn't see many opposing the $700 billion requested by Bush.

    They're pandering to the public consciousness by lamenting how our children and grandchildren will be saddled with this debt.

    Gee, after trillions of dollars were squandered over the past eight years, this requested appropriation is going to mortgage the futures of coming generations?


    -- Posted by Slater on Fri, Jan 23, 2009, at 10:16 PM
  • I can't agree with you more, Anchorman! Owl TV is a wonderful opportunity for our students to learn more about video production. Like all activities at MHS, a variety of students participate in this part of the curriculum. I would venture to say it is one reason some kids come to school. I have seen kids who are extremely shy come to life in front of the camera. There are students on the staff of Owl TV who struggle in school and find success in this outlet. Keep up the good work, Mr. Fawkes. Remember, bloggers, these are kids. Supposedly, we are adults who should know better than to bully kids.

    -- Posted by oneofmany on Sat, Jan 24, 2009, at 12:19 AM
  • Anchorman,

    Nice comments! I watch OwlTV pretty regularly. No, I don't have a child in school, nor am I affiliated with MPSD. I appreciate the energy and the effort that is put into it. No, sometimes I don't care for the music, but I'm sure when I was listening to Led Z or Ozark Mountain, or Nilsson, the "adults" thought I was crazy. Different times, different tastes.

    Have a great weekend and keep up the good work!

    -- Posted by missy08 on Sat, Jan 24, 2009, at 6:55 AM
  • Slater,

    I agree with you about the republicans. I think they are flexing whatever muscles they have left in order to appear as if they are somehow still relevant.It's just like the NRA who has to occasionally stir up a boogeyman that's going to come a take all of our guns. Then there's organized religion and it's struggle to remain relevant. Stir the pot politics.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Sat, Jan 24, 2009, at 10:59 AM
  • I heard that out of the 1,500,000 people who attended the inauguration, over 22 of them missed work to do it.

    -- Posted by Nonny on Sat, Jan 24, 2009, at 10:22 PM
  • That's right, Nonny, and those 22 were the heads of the big banks, there to see if they could get another handout.

    -- Posted by Slater on Sat, Jan 24, 2009, at 11:22 PM
  • Eric, I want to thank you and your staff for the article on Larry Godsey's military experiences in Afghanistan. It was refreshing to see our troops participating in such positive activities. I consider myself a lifelong learner, and this was certainly eye-opening for me. Thanks for your service to our country, Larry.

    -- Posted by oneofmany on Sun, Jan 25, 2009, at 1:02 AM
  • NanaDot; the conservative branch of the G.O.P is alive and well and I see the liberal branch of the Democrat party is as screwed up as ever. You are still playing that same old broken record of "the rich got tax cuts"…… we all got big tax cuts under the Bush administration, that is if you actually work and pay taxes. I realize that many of the dependent democrats don't work or pay taxes.

    The fact is that the top wage earners (those the democrats classify as "rich") pay the bulk of the taxes in our country and they actually create jobs...that is a fact. But facts never seem to change the utter bull we keep hearing from the liberal left kooks.

    The new "socialist" B.O. administration is off and running……God help our nation!

    -- Posted by Billfromraytown on Sun, Jan 25, 2009, at 2:17 PM
  • Hey, ND, good to see you again! I trust you had an enjoyable holiday.

    It seems a certain proportion of the people in Congress are unwilling and/or unable to comprehend economic theory, and they're continuing their self-centered and self-serving ways with no apparent regard for the welfare of the general population and the nation. I'm speaking not just of Republicans, but members of both parties who align themselves along party lines no matter what.

    So much for cooperation and harmony, but it's no surprise.

    I'm convinced the only way we'll ever see the legislators working together for the betterment of everyone, not just themselves, is for the voters to turn them out and KEEP turning them out until they get the message that enough is enough.

    And it can start with that moron, Tom Boehner. What a dope!

    -- Posted by Slater on Sun, Jan 25, 2009, at 2:39 PM
  • Bill from Raytown,

    Your side had it for 8 years yet here we are.

    You rant about "Socialism" although that is what we have had since the first dime the govt ever took in taxes. Calm down little Billy, give him a chance after all you gave GW plenty of chances. We are just now starting to hear some of the facts about his fiasco of an administration.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Sun, Jan 25, 2009, at 4:32 PM
  • Bill from Raytown.

    Yeah,you got me. "What the fool". That's what it means alright. I can't believe you are the only one that noticed that....

    Let me ask you a question. Did you or do you support the Iraq invasion?

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Sun, Jan 25, 2009, at 9:35 PM
  • I have, and I do support the war on terror. It's real and very necessary. Our military has been doing a great job of eliminating large numbers of terrorists in Iraq.

    -- Posted by Billfromraytown on Sun, Jan 25, 2009, at 10:19 PM
  • Nonny, it's good to see you provide proof that racism is alive and well. And you thought your remark was clever. Hee Haw.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Jan 26, 2009, at 1:11 AM
  • Bill from Raytown,

    Yes our troops are and have done a fantastic job.They go where they are told and do what they are orderd to do from our Commander in Chief. That is not the point.

    First of all maybe you could enlighten us all as to how invading Iraq had anything at all to do with the war on terror let alone 9/11.

    Secondly, you supported the invasion of Iraq where as a result untold thousands of innocent people have been killed while at the same time you rail about abortion and Pro Choice. I am curious as to how you can make a distinction in terms of innocent lives?

    Maybe you would like to explain to the relatives of the innocent dead in Iraq your views on the "sanctity of life".

    Obviously you want it both ways. How in the hell do you justify that?

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Mon, Jan 26, 2009, at 6:54 AM
  • Good morning all

    Sorry to come to the table so late on the subject of religion - but here goes.

    Those who rail against Christianty and include it with all "religions" simply DO NOT understand what Jesus of Nazareth was all about.

    He was - if nothing else - simply against religion. He taught us that religion kills and destroys while belief in God and Kingdom living bring life, hope and liberty.

    Though Christianity has a somewhat not so stellar history (Crusades, Inquisition, etc)- those who worship in "spirit and in truth" see that those things were not done in the true spirit of Christ.

    Being a true believer in Jesus and his teachings has nothing at all to do with religion, per se, and much to do with living in the light, loving others, and having a grateful heart.

    keep the faith -


    -- Posted by circuitrider on Mon, Jan 26, 2009, at 10:06 AM
  • PulpitRider, would you say that the person who wrote the lyrics for the song, Onward Christian Soldiers, was a true believer?

    -- Posted by Slater on Mon, Jan 26, 2009, at 10:51 AM
  • I wouldn't presume to say who is and isn't a true believer.

    I believe there have always been folks who felt they were believers because of their relationship with a church, denomination, etc.

    My point is this - religion is not the same as belief.

    There are many people who may be "religious" - say maybe those who would declare war on "infidels" - or those who don't believe the same as they do - as the Crusaders did in the past or just as many in other religions are doing right now.

    In fact - there have been many, many so-called Christian songs and anthems written by non-Christians.

    As you may or may not know, "Christian" music is big business, even today. Just because someone goes to church doesn't mean they are a Christian. Just because they pray doesn't mean they are Christian. Doing miracles doesn't prove someone is a Christian.

    The way we conduct ourselves - sad to say - doesn't show if we are a true believer or not.

    What does speak to our true belief is whether or not we love one another - and everyone else for that matter. And before you start asking about what I think about this or that, let me say that I can disagree with someone and still love them. I can disagree with their lifestyle and still love them.

    So - in answer to your question - that person who wrote that hymn may or may not have been a true beliver. Who's to say? It is a matter of the heart, not a matter of what he or she wrote.

    Anyone can appear to be a true beleiver - the Bible says that satan himself can appear as an Angel of Light.


    -- Posted by circuitrider on Mon, Jan 26, 2009, at 12:09 PM
  • You gave me the kind of answer I was fishing for, and I concur with your statements, except to say that human nature is the confounding element.

    Don't fret, I'll not be playing 20 Questions with you. :)

    -- Posted by Slater on Mon, Jan 26, 2009, at 1:16 PM
  • I would like to attend the kick off meeting for Relay for Life on February 11. Could I get the "time" it starts? Thank you.

    -- Posted by i'mback/didyoumissme on Mon, Jan 26, 2009, at 4:23 PM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    It's at 6 p.m.

    Thanks for pointing out the omission. I've corrected the story.

  • I am a very concerned parent! I have a child at Eastwood Elementary who goes to school EVERY MONDAY and FREEZES! The heat is turned off on the weekends to save "money". It takes almost all day on Monday to heat, so is there really that much money being saved? The school district is doing NOTHING to solve the problem. My childs teacher is telling the kids to wear layers and layers of clothing and try to stay warm so they can learn. Does anyone not see a problem with this? I know for a fact that last week the temperature wasn't over 45 degress in some of the rooms. Do we think children are able to learn in such "cold" weather? I want this solved, quickly. Am I the only one that thinks this is a problem?

    -- Posted by blue123 on Mon, Jan 26, 2009, at 7:55 PM
  • Bill from Raytown,Glad to see you are still kickin, even if your still on the wrong side of things,ha! There is no way we should have invaded Iraq! We had enough to do, going after the real Enemy! I'm sure you realize that now? Glad to see you back.I feel so much better, since the fool is out of office. Now we should keep on their a-- to have that fool pay for his Crime. With the other Criminals! Its time to Pay the Tab!!

    -- Posted by Jo on Mon, Jan 26, 2009, at 10:20 PM
  • NanaDot, I was just thinking about future legislation and wondering if Obama will veto bills which promote the entrenched Washington politics. I know the media has mentioned that some members of the Democratic party oppose some aspects of what Obama wants to change. My biggest concern is that not enough minds are set on changing the status quo and moving to a plane of fresh, inspired discussion and harmonious compromise. Not being TOO idealistic here, am I? (smile)

    Last night I listened to David Axelrod talking to Charlie Rose about Obama, and Axelrod believes in Obama's intellect and power of persuasion to be effective. However, he did imply that the adminsitration is not expecting to attain the degree of success that was expressed before the financial crisis erupted.

    My thinking is aligned with the administration's belief that the whole is greater than the sum of its parts, and that people in high places MUST act accordingly. So far, I don't see much evidence of this from the private sector financial institutions, as evidenced by the guy at Merrill Lynch giving out $4+ billion of taxpayer money in bonuses at the end of '08. The government CAN and MUST put a stop to this kiind of behavior.

    -- Posted by Slater on Tue, Jan 27, 2009, at 11:33 AM
  • Hey Slater, I know this snow is making me light-headed but I agree with your post. (What is this world coming to?) I am curious -- what is your thoughts on Geithner and his appointment? Our opinions won't matter but that does not make me more confident. And, what about Pelosi's comments on birth control saving taxpayer money. I must be getting crazy but I think that is one of the smartest things she has ever said...... Want to share?

    -- Posted by missy08 on Tue, Jan 27, 2009, at 1:23 PM
  • Of course birth control will save taxpayers money. Birth control is a LOT less expensive than funding WIC, Medicaid, and all of the other welfare programs that these babies would require. It's just common sense.

    -- Posted by born-n-raised on Tue, Jan 27, 2009, at 1:35 PM
  • I for one am doubtful about President Obama's promise to being real change inside the beltway.

    After the swearing in ceremony, I was willing to give him a chance to prove himself. Seems to me he's gotten off to a rocky start on issues of transparency and ethics.

    We recently heard a lot about his talking to staffers about lobbyists and others who would not be welcome in the Obama White House and that a new day was dawning with regard to ethics in the White House.

    According to published reports, the President recently made a casual walk through the press corps room at the WH, and when one of the reporters asked him about his nominee for deputy secretary of defense, William Lynn, Obama refused to answer, saying he was not there to take questions.

    When he was pressed further by the reporter about his Pentagon nominee, Obama turned more serious, reportedly "putting his hand on the reporter's shoulder and staring him in the eye."

    "All right, come on," he said, with obvious irritation in his voice. "We will be having a press conference, at which time you can feel free to [ask] questions. Right now, I just wanted to say hello and introduce myself to you guys -- that's all I was trying to do," (from Fox News)

    Does this sound like a new day - a fresh new attitude of transparency and ethical high ground?

    All I have heard about Former President Bush is how pushy he was and what a bully he was.

    Sounds like more of the same - at least when the bands aren't playing and the cameras aren't rolling.


    -- Posted by circuitrider on Tue, Jan 27, 2009, at 1:59 PM
  • You're right pr, Obama has been president for 7 whole days, and he's already an utter failure. Are you kidding me? We get it. Your guy lost. It's time to show support and quit expecting failure. 7 days? Give me a break.

    -- Posted by born-n-raised on Tue, Jan 27, 2009, at 2:50 PM
  • "utter failure"? I didn't get that out of pr's post. I read "rocky start" on two issues.

    -- Posted by missy08 on Tue, Jan 27, 2009, at 3:05 PM
  • Taken from pr's post: "Sounds like more of the same - at least when the bands aren't playing and the cameras aren't rolling." This was the attitude when my spouse saw him in Kabul during the campaign. Very rude to the military personnel until the camera started rolling. I hope he was just having a bad day. Did anyone else see Blajovich on The View? They asked him to do his Nixon impersonation but he refused. Kept jabbering about not being able to defend himself. ha!

    -- Posted by Air Force Wife on Tue, Jan 27, 2009, at 3:17 PM
  • PR, if my math is correct, today marks Day 5 since Obama started work. I haven't heard him claim to be able to walk on water, so I'm willing to give him a few more days on the job before I declare that he's doomed to fail.

    Missy, how nice to see you again! You must long for the warmer climes, eh?

    I'll start with Pelosi first and agree with the comment by Born-N-Raised. I don't know how much of the annual budget goes to fund entitlements, but many studies over the years have shown that alternative methods can save billions. Since we've emerged from the Age of Aquarius and the sexual "enlightment" that it brought (heh heh), it can be concluded that, by and large, people have a cavalier attitude toward the subject and therefore tend to practice what they see as a natural extension of their thoughts. The data from those Kinsey-like studies seem to support this notion, so a preventive needs to be put in place, something other than the inhumane and unethical sterilization procedure. No matter how vocal the message of abstinence, it's obvious that isn't a viable solution. One last comment about the House speaker - she's a smug b***h who somehow believes that her public service is indispensable. She's the kind of person I referred to earlier when I said some should be turned down at the polls.

    As for Tim Geithner, I have no way of knowing the truth about his tax liabilities. He claims that he assumed his employer was withholding/paying his social security tax. Maybe yes, maybe no. I'm sure he isn't the first person to be caught in that situation. That doesn't make it right, but since we don't know the actual truth of the matter, and he's paid up now, to me it isn't the kind of omission that matters a great deal. Think back to the confirmation hearings of Clarence Thomas and his adulterous behavior with the woman from Oklahoma that was pushed aside, and the subsequent repercussions toward the woman, who was victimized. Yes, this is like comparing apples to oranges, but it's the way most people go about reasoning.

    In my estimation, these kinds of issues will only increase over time, if you consider the degenerative nature of our society. I only hope that a future generation doesn't have to decide between two convicted felons when electing a president.

    -- Posted by Slater on Tue, Jan 27, 2009, at 3:27 PM
  • Just wanted to post some Love to Shannon (The bachelor). Sorry it didn't work out for you, I really enjoyed watching, knowing a local was on there. Our family was behind you 100%. Our next favorite is Stephanie.

    -- Posted by litlmissme on Tue, Jan 27, 2009, at 3:42 PM
  • Mr. Eric Crump/Editor, I search back and found the story about Jerry George.....Out by Summer. My My PWB

    -- Posted by PWB on Tue, Jan 27, 2009, at 11:56 PM
  • I think any politician - Democrat or Republican or Rainbow or Whatever - would have a tough time NOT letting a landslide victory like the one we just witnessed go to his or her head.

    I hope President Obama has a wonderfully successful presidency - that would be nothing but good news for us all.

    I do, however, hope he comes up against some real opposition and has to think things through a bit more than he has thus far. You can't govern on popularity - just ask George Bush - who went from one of the highest ratings in history immediately after 9/11 to the lowest ever just before the recent elecetion.

    And while I didn't say he was already a failure, I think it's a little premature to proclaim his ultimate success. Again - a landslide victory in a general election does not make a great president. It takes much more than that.


    -- Posted by circuitrider on Wed, Jan 28, 2009, at 9:16 AM
  • All concerned citizens should check out Ron Monnigs blog

    -- Posted by GOCHIEFS on Wed, Jan 28, 2009, at 9:30 AM
  • I for one would like to hear from the rest of the commission on their feelings on this matter . and perhaps an interview with Mr.Herron to clarify his statements. I would think any violation of state rule or law would nullify our contract with this company. And we need to ask ourselves as taxpayers " Do we really want to do business with a company who so willingly bends and breaks the rules"

    -- Posted by GOCHIEFS on Wed, Jan 28, 2009, at 9:31 AM
  • can anyone verify for me what options you have for internet if you live in the new subdivision by the hospital?

    -- Posted by fitzgibbon on Wed, Jan 28, 2009, at 11:44 AM
  • Fitxgibbon, try these two for starters:

    Socket.net 800-762-5383

    iland.com 800-697-7088

    -- Posted by Slater on Wed, Jan 28, 2009, at 2:08 PM
  • Here's a news story for all the police scanner users in the audience:


    -- Posted by Slater on Wed, Jan 28, 2009, at 2:17 PM
  • I'll turn my scanner off the next time I'm flying my helicopter.......?

    -- Posted by missy08 on Wed, Jan 28, 2009, at 2:31 PM
  • Good idea, Missy. Of course you could always install something like baby buggy bumper guards.

    -- Posted by Slater on Wed, Jan 28, 2009, at 3:18 PM
  • Not giving - they both offer high speed service according to their sites. Does the new cable tv provider offer internet service? If so, it should be broadband.

    -- Posted by Slater on Wed, Jan 28, 2009, at 5:39 PM
  • So, Fitzgibbon, there ya go. The only thing faster than cable is T-1. If you have cable to your house, you're in business.

    -- Posted by Slater on Wed, Jan 28, 2009, at 8:19 PM
  • -- Posted by SecretAgentMichaelScarn on Wed, Jan 28, 2009, at 11:58 PM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    Thanks for posting this. I got the Kansas Highway Patrol report and posted a story on our site.
  • I am extremely dismayed by Obama's choice of Tim Giethner as Secretary of the Treasury. I was hoping that after eight years of the fox guarding the hen house, and that tactic's disasterous results, we had learned our lesson.

    For those interested in this appointment check Jim Hightower's blog.

    His opening paragraph is as follows:

    Describing a suspicious character who had visited his home, Ralph Waldo Emerson said, "The louder he talked of his honor, the faster we counted our spoons."

    I had hoped that the power of those who allowed unbridled greed to flourish would have diminished.

    Instead the same old power brokers that screwed things up are now in charge of fixing the mess. We must not be lulled into complacency by the change in administration. Contact your representative in congress, and express your displeasure if they supported his confirmation.

    Folks we are not talking Republicans and Democrats, we are talking Corporatists versus we the people.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Jan 29, 2009, at 2:10 AM
  • -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Jan 29, 2009, at 2:21 AM
  • OKReader, what I'm seeing from the conduct of Obama's selections (as advised by a panel of others) is his honesty maybe getting in the way of real scrutiny in some cases.

    We, the People, are at the mercy of all those in power, both in the government and in the private sector. The latest outrage is the $450 million bonus money AIG people are about to receive - not nearly as hefty as the $4+ billion that Thain gave all of his cronies before being tossed out, but it's the principle of the matter, anyway.

    This isn't frustrating, it's maddening!

    And then we have every Republican in the House voting against a "stimulus." A symbolic matter, to be sure, but just who do they think they're impressing?

    If it isn't a case of self-service, all of the like-minded ones refuse to budge.

    Rhetorical question: How did we manage to get ourselves into this fix, and now resist doing anything about it?

    -- Posted by Slater on Thu, Jan 29, 2009, at 7:50 AM
  • On the so-called "stimulus" package, I thought it might be interesting to some to see a breakdown of how these billions will be spent, according to the guidelines of said package:


    Regardless of any opinions of Glenn Beck, the one who did this breakdown, it's worth a look-see just when you know only 3 percent of the whole deal is going to be spent this year, and then 13 percent planned for next year (2010). How is that a quick "jolt" to the economy? This is a rhetorical question, as well.

    -- Posted by "When the Music Plays..." on Thu, Jan 29, 2009, at 8:59 AM
  • I was just curious to see if anyone else has had some traveling salespeople come to their homes here recently. I've had the same people by twice now. One night they came at 8 o'clock and wanted to clean my carpets for free. I told them no thank you. The second time the came by, the young man tried to give me a regular bottle of Febreeze just to let him come in and 'take a look around' as he put it. He said his boss would give him $20 if I let him come in my house. I live in Marshall, but a coworker of mine had the same people come to her home and she lives in Brunswick.

    -- Posted by Oldblackcat on Thu, Jan 29, 2009, at 9:40 AM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    That sounds like suspicious behavior. We'd be interested in talking with anyone who's had a similar experience. And as always, report suspicious activity to local law enforcement!
  • All concerned citizens should read and comment on Ron Monnigs blog

    -- Posted by GOCHIEFS on Thu, Jan 29, 2009, at 11:50 AM
  • Isn't it great that we have citizens speaking out saying they want our president to fail? In my opinion I feel that you saying you want our presdient to fail is the same as saying you want our country to fail as a whole. The president represents our country and its citizens. All I have to say is PRESIDENT Obama is now in office so get over it. We will be seeing a lot of him over the next 4 years...or 8 years (who knows)!?

    -- Posted by jl32320 on Thu, Jan 29, 2009, at 3:01 PM
  • Midmocat.

    Did you miss your nap today? Calm down, turn off Rush and take a nice walk.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Thu, Jan 29, 2009, at 3:02 PM
  • Instead of being provoked at your post midmocat, I was annoyed; that's a minute of my life I will never get back.

    -- Posted by born-n-raised on Thu, Jan 29, 2009, at 3:07 PM
  • If you really feel that you wish our country fails, why don't you just get out! We should be coming together to MAKE it suceed, not being a part of the problem and being short sighted, and hoping the whole country fails. Get a grip. Seek help you need it!

    Living in another country might open your eyes to what we have here as something worth standing up for and being proud of, no matter who the President is or what "party" he represents.

    -- Posted by litlmissme on Thu, Jan 29, 2009, at 3:59 PM
  • Well, this explains some of the debate in D.C.


    Maybe "fail" was a strong word for mmc to use. I don't want anyone to "fail" but I am optimistic that some compromises will be made.

    Everytime I read something on this board that is condemning someone (including our past president), it aggravates me. Not because of the opinion but because of what little information that opinion is based on. None of us have a clue what happens in that big white house.

    And regarding the warmer climes -- lived in Missouri all my life. I kind of like the snow and cold -- in limited amounts!

    Have a great day!

    -- Posted by missy08 on Thu, Jan 29, 2009, at 4:45 PM
  • Just FYI: The Associated Press is reporting that Rod Blagojevich is now an ex-governor.

    "Illinois lawmakers have not only thrown out Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich, they have barred him from ever holding public office in the state again."

    -- Posted by Eric Crump on Thu, Jan 29, 2009, at 5:26 PM
  • -- Posted by broke-n-busted on Thu, Jan 29, 2009, at 5:45 PM
  • Responding to Oldblackcat regarding traveling salespeople:

    Our police advice is Do Not Open your Doors to anyone whom you do not know. Especially strangers who knock on your door at 8 p.m. If someone asks for emergency help call 9-1-1 on their behalf but if you are alone it is best not to open a door.

    -- Posted by upsedaisy on Thu, Jan 29, 2009, at 6:57 PM
  • Missy, I'm thinking this breitbart person isn't thinking clearly about a Social Security tax credit. I can't imagine why the government would be mailing checks to people when all that's necessary is an adjustment in the withholding rate. Simple enough, wouldn't you say?

    I've been in Texas for 28 years and I still miss the changing seasons. I can tolerate the cold, and growing up in Slater gave me an appreciation for the pristine beauty of fresh snow.

    I see the temp is on the rise there. Are you over being light-headed from the recent snow?

    -- Posted by Slater on Thu, Jan 29, 2009, at 9:52 PM
  • What happened to John Q.'s blog?

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Jan 29, 2009, at 11:10 PM
  • Oklahoma Reader: John Q is still there. Click on the word the "BLOGS" in the light blue line on the front page and you'll see him. As new entries from other bloggers are added, the older ones kinda slide off the page.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Fri, Jan 30, 2009, at 6:19 AM
  • Newscope: Fried Chicken Friday Feb. 13 at Marshall Senior Center////// Newsscope but not enough room for an article on Ron Monnigs blog which should concern every taxpayer. If this sign company cuts corners here how many more rules will be bent or laws broke before it seriously effects this important project.PLEASE check this out for us Mr Crump.

    -- Posted by GOCHIEFS on Fri, Jan 30, 2009, at 9:16 AM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    Contacting appropriate sources sometimes takes time. This story is being developed. We want the story to be fair and accurate. I'm sure you do, too.
  • i thought there would be news about the poor marshall resident who lost his life in a traffic accident a couple of days ago. i heard it on real radio kmmo but no story on here. what gives?? fried chicken night indeed!!

    -- Posted by marshallite on Fri, Jan 30, 2009, at 9:30 AM
  • MY BAD!! sorry i dug deeper here and found out a little bit but not alot!! again my regrets!!

    -- Posted by marshallite on Fri, Jan 30, 2009, at 9:32 AM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    No problem. Our story was published at 6:36 a.m. Thursday, Jan. 29, but other stories published after that pushed the crash story off the front page of our website. I should have brought it back up top.
  • Thanks Eric will be looking forward to it

    -- Posted by GOCHIEFS on Fri, Jan 30, 2009, at 10:35 AM
  • I don't subscribe to the Democrat News so I don't pay anything for the stories put on this web site. Should I expect the newspaper (which is a company in business to make money) to print every story on this free website? Just seems to be a lot of negative comments about what stories are printed, what isn't, which arrest reports include names, then in one case when the name was printed along with the parent who is a public servant, people complained because is was included. It seems some people are never satisfied.

    -- Posted by Air Force Wife on Fri, Jan 30, 2009, at 12:34 PM
  • AFW, I'm in agreement with you on this one. An old expression sums it up:

    You can please some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can't please all of the people all of the time.

    I'm one who's pleased all of the time, since access is free. How could I not be pleased?

    -- Posted by Slater on Fri, Jan 30, 2009, at 2:55 PM
  • While I'm about it, I want to ask a question:

    How many would agree that small towns have lost most or all of their unique qualities/identity over the past 40-50 years?

    I was reminded of this after reading the comments about cruising and how even that innocuous activity changed from its form when I was a teen in the 50s.

    -- Posted by Slater on Fri, Jan 30, 2009, at 3:07 PM
  • Slater - you summed it up well. Thank you. I don't want to read about all the negative things going on in Marshall or Slater. Just turn on the evening news - that's depressing enough.

    As for small towns - when I was a teen in the 70's we cruised the square, sat in groups around the square but no one bothered anything. It seems a few bad ones have ruined it for everyone by vandalizing property. What would it take to regain the trust that existed 40 years ago?

    -- Posted by Air Force Wife on Fri, Jan 30, 2009, at 3:31 PM
  • I am thankful that our paper provides this FREE service. I really enjoy it.

    -- Posted by litlmissme on Fri, Jan 30, 2009, at 4:12 PM
  • Back When?

    Long, long ago, way back when

    (I venture to say you weren't born then).

    It got really hot on a summer's day.

    "Raise those windows all the way!"

    Too hot inside to take any more,

    every kid in town was out the door.

    Off to the school, play ball in the yard,

    Sweating off pounds was not that hard.

    Riding the bikes, or going uptown,

    it was rare that a kid would ever sit down.

    Then swim for a while, or walk in the park

    We seldom got home much before dark.

    Not many fat kids, way back when.

    Maybe, at the most, one in ten.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Jan 31, 2009, at 1:46 AM
  • http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/01/29/EDDP15JM56.DTL

    The above is the location of an interesting article by David Sirota concrning the location of the center in American politics.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Jan 31, 2009, at 2:21 AM
  • I see the book writers have reemerged

    -- Posted by GOCHIEFS on Sat, Jan 31, 2009, at 9:26 AM
  • OKReader, thanks for the interesting article. By the time I got to the end I was picturing Sirota wearing those "rose-colored glasses" as he looked in the direction of certain individuals.

    Years ago during a trip to the Nelson Art Gallery in Kansas City I viewed an interesting painting which depicted the south end of a northbound buffalo; the painting was entitled, Center of the Universe, and the viewer was left to supply the interpretation.

    There's nothing extraordinary in this thought, of course, but my belief is that the location of the political center along the continuum depends on the viewer's perspective, relative to those views held by the members of the two political parties.

    He makes a number of assertions that don't have any concrete support, as far as I know, but it's the nature and intent of the columnist to stir our consciousness. It's up to the reader to decide about the validity of the content.

    -- Posted by Slater on Sat, Jan 31, 2009, at 12:25 PM
  • I am so ashamed. I just watched a video clip that had a gentleman explain to me that the real issue was not the million dollar bonuses that the financial geniuses are all entitled to. It is my fault. I did not manage to save enough out of my 60 grand a year family income and I owe too much too. I am the real culprit. I am so ashamed.

    -- Posted by broke-n-busted on Sat, Jan 31, 2009, at 1:06 PM
  • If we think things are bad now, just wait.

    Firstly, this is a world wide recession, and thanks to globalization we will sink if the rest sink. It appears much of the world is economically going under at a faster rate than we. There is already panic in the streets, and governments have failed.


    Secondly, the fuse is lit on the credit card mess, the question is not will it explode, the question is, how much time do we have before it does blow up? The problem is we do not know how fast the fuse will burn, that is, as more and more jobs are lost, more and more people in hock up to their eyeballs will abandon that debt. We do not know how soon enough of them will capitulate to cause the collapse of the institutions holding the debt.

    This horrible economic mess is fast becoming more than just a severe recession. There are several signs that capitalistic democracy as we know it may die.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Feb 1, 2009, at 2:14 AM
  • OKReader, here's the anthem:


    -- Posted by Slater on Sun, Feb 1, 2009, at 6:09 PM
  • Slater, I have heard the song many times over many years. Thank you for placing it just a click away. I have only seen the youtube presentation a few times. It remains fresh.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Feb 2, 2009, at 12:23 AM
  • At this, the most dangerous time for our people since the great depression we must ask, no demand, that the members of our Congress rise to the challenge. That includes working together quickly, and diligently to stop the ever increasing momentum of our downward slide.

    Thus far the Obama Administration has requested that Congress expeditiously enact specific legislation. Some of it is being enacted, but with out a single Republican vote. The problem is that all Republican members of Congress have voted no on every piece of legislation. At times they have stated that they would vote yes "if only a few changes regarding taxes are made". The changes were made, they still voted no.

    John Boehner, the House minority leader stated on "Meet The Press" January 25th, 2009 that the G.O.P. didn't want to be "the party of 'No' " but "the party of better ideas, better solutions." When pressed as to just what those ideas are he said he'll get back to us "over the coming months." We do not have time for a delayed response. We thought we had gotten rid of DeLay.

    The Republicans of the one hundred and eleventh congress mill about in disarray shouting only, lower taxes, lower taxes, lower taxes, sounding like nothing so much as two hundred and nineteen AFLAC ducks. Fortunately, (for them at least) Dick Cheney, a man who has difficulty distinguishing feathered game from humans is gone from the premises.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Feb 2, 2009, at 2:04 AM
  • OK - did you ever think maybe some Congressmen/Women are being smarter about bail out money this time. Have you not seen how the last money dished out was wasted and tax payers (myself included) are complaining and wanting some accountability for that - hopefully stop the waste and ridiculous spending which is what got the large companies in the mess they are in?

    -- Posted by Air Force Wife on Mon, Feb 2, 2009, at 10:49 AM
  • How about a change of subject? Does anyone else get frustrated about how the YMCA promotes features like the climbing wall and then doesn't make it available when it's listed as part of the schedule? This is not the first thing that I noticed is being offered as part of membership but when I try to use it, other programs take precedent. Why are extra activities more important than the member's access to the facility?

    -- Posted by hat full of sky on Mon, Feb 2, 2009, at 11:31 AM
  • To Air Force Wife et al,

    The economy is the major issue of the day. There are many ways to address the problem but none that are proven to be effective. So, is it any wonder it's difficult to get a consensus? The current democrat plan is very much like Japan's action in the early 1990's that led to over 10 years of depression/recession/stagnation. Since then, they have made radical changes to what they did which now gives them possibly the strongest economy in the world. The "danger" Japan faces is having the oldest population in the world due to longevity and in 20 years or so they will have over 50% of the population retired and over 62.

    As far as getting money to the public quickly into the hands of those that deserve it, I recommend an immediate 2 month moratorium on withholding of income taxes. The only lag time would be that required by each employer's ability to process the checks and would amount to approximately 16% tax cut unless recaptured later if events dictated. Anytime money goes to the government back to the worker, there will be waste so this cuts out the middle man, so to speak.

    Giving money to the bad banks that have already lost billions would ensure that almost none of it will be loaned to Joe Sixpak, or Jane Homemaker. This way they get some of their own money to spend.

    If you are interested in the history of all this stuff, I suggest the study of John Law in the early 1700's, primaryily 1715 to 1720. The "father" of paper money and credit schemes bordering on Ponzi plans. Study the French recession in 1720, Japan in the 1990's and Argentina mid-1980's, again 2 years later and a 3rd time in early 1990's.

    Then tell me how the current plans are doing anything new or different. As it now stands, we will face huge inflation in the next 2 years. Also, if you are interested in retirement plans and health care, check out the Singapore plans and the Japanese healthcare plans. We have much to learn.

    -- Posted by White Tornado on Mon, Feb 2, 2009, at 3:50 PM
  • When will sports be updated

    -- Posted by bballmom on Mon, Feb 2, 2009, at 4:02 PM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    In about 5 minutes.
  • If slater is cleaning up, then why won't they do something about the old abandoned, ran down piece of something they call a house located on north walnut. This thing is an accident waiting to happen. Exspecially with all the neighborhood kids running about.

    -- Posted by Ttrue on Mon, Feb 2, 2009, at 9:08 PM
  • AFW, here's an overview of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act as published by the House Appropriations Committee on 15 January. It differs extensively from the banking/investment sectors handout, and is being modified daily by both houses of Congress, but the final version will no doubt look substantially like this one:


    I have a copy of the original bill, which was published by CNN on the 15th; it's in PDF format and I cannot for the life of me figure out how to make a link for posting here. (heh heh - I'm pretty dumb about computer stuff)

    -- Posted by Slater on Tue, Feb 3, 2009, at 11:41 AM
  • Bush had plenty of problems like reading and writing. Not saying Obama is the right person for the job, but Bush left a big mess for anybody to clean up. Im not supprised that you think that it is funny because if he fails and things get worse you do realize that it is going to get worse for you to. Silly Republicant

    -- Posted by duke2007 on Tue, Feb 3, 2009, at 2:11 PM
  • I don't care if you're Democrat or Replublican - this country is in a real mess and I for one think it is wrong for anyone to say they hope Obama fails. If he fails it will be the failure for this entire country.

    -- Posted by Air Force Wife on Tue, Feb 3, 2009, at 4:07 PM
  • Midmocat: You said the following:

    "This is in response to nanadot regarding her assertion that the GOP is playing with her money. If I were a betting man I would wager that nana has not paid income taxes in many moons---so, in reality it would be her socialist democrats playing with actual taxpayer money, and just like a hog at a trough, there nana is waiting to lap it up."

    Your assumption that she has not paid income taxes in many years is foolish at best. You do not know her tax status do you? You compound it with your mean hearted irrationality based on that ignorant assumption, stating that she is like a hog at the trough lapping it up.

    You owe the lady an apology.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Feb 3, 2009, at 6:17 PM
  • derik lavers cries on american idol. lol.

    -- Posted by SecretAgentMichaelScarn on Tue, Feb 3, 2009, at 7:02 PM
  • Midmocat-i find it sad that you are on the sidlines shouting like a cheerleader saying obama is going to "fail, fail, fail!" you need to show a little pride in your country and the president that represents US! Give it a rest....

    -- Posted by jl32320 on Tue, Feb 3, 2009, at 8:26 PM
  • Air Force Wife: Although we have disparate views regarding many things political I applaud your patriotism.

    Although your team lost the last election I hope that Obama's act of nominating three Republicans for top posts in his administration gives you some sense of relief.

    I know that I would have been more comfortable with the Bush Administration had he nominated three Democrats to top posts within his first administration.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Feb 3, 2009, at 11:42 PM
  • Obama has to fail or life the way we have known it will not be the same. Our freedoms and liberties are slowly being taken away but we found out that 52% of the people that voted that is what they want. The pig example was good they want to belly up to the trough and take their fill of hard working taxpayer money in whatever form the government wants to put it in. The best thing that could happen to this economy is for the government to stay out of it and the economy would rebound much faster maybe between 1 or 2 years. With government involvement it could take 10 years or more. Which would you rather do? I would rather get off my duff and do. I would rather keep more of the money that I earn instead of giving it to the government.I can spend it more wisely then the government and it would stimulate the economy. Those of you with blinders on need to take them off and look around so you can see and hear the truth instead of just what you want to.

    -- Posted by rr3yv0 on Wed, Feb 4, 2009, at 12:47 AM
  • Obama is a moron and so are the people who elected him. I hope that he will want out of office soon. He stated and I quote, "I've been to 57 states, I still have 1 more left. Alaska and Hawaii I wasn't allowed to go to because my staff wouldn't justify it."

    This moron thinks there are 60 states?

    Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws

    -- Posted by ieatsuperglue on Wed, Feb 4, 2009, at 2:50 AM
  • ieastsuperglue - "I've been to 57 states, I still have 1 more left. Alaska and Hawaii I wasn't allowed to go to because my staff wouldn't justify it." This moron thinks there are 60 states?" Lay off the glue. 57 + 1 = 60???

    -- Posted by Air Force Wife on Wed, Feb 4, 2009, at 8:33 AM
  • Is the city using tax payer money to put the fence along Odell?

    -- Posted by snoozes on Wed, Feb 4, 2009, at 8:36 AM
  • Ok Reader - Thank you. It is the military way....respect your leader whether you agree with him/her or not. And even if we weren't military, there is such a thing as common decency. Negative cut downs are generally a sign of ignorance. That is one thing I like about Obama, when it comes to defending his platform, he does have class.

    -- Posted by Air Force Wife on Wed, Feb 4, 2009, at 8:39 AM
  • Ieatsuperglue-It is completely your opinion that Obama is a "moron" but if I remember correctly, Bush wasn't the brightest crayon in the box when it came to a lot of things either. It seems if one is against Obama you are going to find every little thing he does and scrutinize it. We need to come together as a county and band together. Obama is going to be here 4 years...maybe 8 years. We have to understand that Obama is representing us and our country, so shouldn't we support him? That's just my thinking.........but then again I'm just one of the "morons" that voted for him.

    -- Posted by jl32320 on Wed, Feb 4, 2009, at 8:45 AM
  • ieatsuperglue go to yahoo and type in bushisms. There are a lot of good quotes there. We as a country need to come together and hopefully things will begin to turn around. We will never come together with people like you jumping at every little thing that is said. This country has a long way to go!

    jl32320 us "morons" need to stay together and hopefully make up for the narrow minded people in the world.

    -- Posted by duke2007 on Wed, Feb 4, 2009, at 9:24 AM
  • Of course its city money........Its on city property

    -- Posted by GOCHIEFS on Wed, Feb 4, 2009, at 9:57 AM
  • I had wondered if our tax dollars were paying for the Odell fence as well. My next question is: what exactly is its purpose? The only logical one that I can come up with is that it shields the houses behind it from the view of motorists on Odell and College. If that IS its only purpose, shouldn't the property owners pay for that luxury (or if not, shouldn't ALL neighborhoods have privacy fences)? If its purpose is to post "Good Luck" and "Congratulations" signs for young athletes, wouldn't it be cheaper to just put up a bulletin board? Regardless, it's back up now, so I guess any discussion about it is really too late...

    -- Posted by imaloony on Wed, Feb 4, 2009, at 11:00 AM
  • Does that mean that rates are going to go up again?

    -- Posted by tommob on Wed, Feb 4, 2009, at 11:17 AM
  • Regardless of its size, no community is immune to perceived impropriety by its governing body.

    I'm interested to see posted here the city's explanaiton for this fence.

    And, while on the subject of perceived impropriety, here's a statement made by the new secretary of commerce:

    Sen. Judd Gregg (R-N.H.), right, accepts his nomination to be commerce secretary. "This is not a time for partisanship. This is not a time when we should stand in our ideological corners and shout at each other," Gregg said.

    Easier said than done, of course, but I wonder if members of our government will subordinate their selfishness and pettiness long enough to do the right things for the good of our country.

    Yes, there is a solution to the tax liability issue, and it goes hand-in-hand with the preceding statement.

    -- Posted by Slater on Wed, Feb 4, 2009, at 11:29 AM
  • I guess I missed the announcement that electric rates were going to be going up 12.9%. Almost $13 for every $100 billed.

    It sure was a rude awakening when I got my last MMU bill.


    I hope the city benefits in some way as a result of that increase.


    -- Posted by circuitrider on Wed, Feb 4, 2009, at 11:36 AM
  • Since we're on the subject of taxes, I thought I'd see if I could get a few opinions on the "FairTax" system. Anyone heard of it?

    From the website it says: "The FairTax plan is a comprehensive proposal that replaces all federal income and payroll based taxes with an integrated approach including a progressive national retail sales tax, a prebate to ensure no American pays federal taxes on spending up to the poverty level, dollar-for-dollar federal revenue neutrality, and, through companion legislation, the repeal of the 16th Amendment.

    "The FairTax Act (HR 25, S 1025) is nonpartisan legislation. It abolishes all federal, personal and corporate income taxes, gift, estate, capital gains, alternative minimum, Social Security, Medicare, and self-employment taxes and replaces them with one simple, visible, federal retail sales tax administered primarily by existing state sales tax authorities.

    "The FairTax taxes us only on what we choose to spend on new goods or services, not on what we earn. The FairTax is a fair, efficient, transparent, and intelligent solution to the frustration and inequity of our current tax system."

    I personally support this measure, but anyone who disagrees can say so.

    But before blasting away with the standard arguments about a misleading tax rate or that tax evasion would run rampant, so on and so forth, check out this link and scroll down to the FairTax Five section:


    -- Posted by "When the Music Plays..." on Wed, Feb 4, 2009, at 12:34 PM
  • Was there anything posted about the Berning trial which was postponed from Friday. I definately think it has been taking place since 1:30pm today and I wasn't aware of the trial.

    -- Posted by para-chic on Wed, Feb 4, 2009, at 2:37 PM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
  • WtMusic, I agree that a new taxation method is needed, but I would strongly urge you not to get into a shell game with the person who described how the percentage differences between "inclusive" and "exclusive" taxes are calculated.

    At any rate, if it weren't for all the make-work jobs created by the tax code, a simple, practical, and equitable solution could be established quite readily, but, it's easy to imagine hearing the politicians crying, "...but what about all those folks who would be out of a job if we changed our taxing structure (and more importantly, what about all of us who can take advantage of the loopholes we've put into the code)?"

    -- Posted by Slater on Wed, Feb 4, 2009, at 2:44 PM
  • To: ieatsuperglue. The election is over! Mr. Obama is our President now - even if you aren't a fan of his or didn't vote for him, I believe we should all try to be accepting of what a majority of our fellow American's (not morons)voted for.I think he is an honest man and a little honesty in politics is what this country has been lacking for some time. Mr. Obama has told us the economy is not going to turn around quickly. He feels it is important to take the steps needed to turn things around for the American people, but he also knows the wheels turn slowly and want's us to know not to expect things to be all hunkydory in five minutes. It took Bush 8 years to get us into this mess and it will take time to try to make things better, but I think Mr. Obama has some positive plans to help not only our economy turn around, but also turn around the negative opinions other nations now have of us after we were lead by the bully of all bullies for the past 8 years. Mr. Obama is educated, straightforward, and actually wanted to take on the job of President of the United States in times such as these. So he made a error when speaking about the number of states, he may have been tired from campaigning, he may have meant that he had been to some states more than once, even so...Big Deal! I supposed you've never made a mistake or been misunderstood?

    -- Posted by Typesetter on Wed, Feb 4, 2009, at 4:34 PM
  • In the online poll, 20.5% of those polled are against the use of medical Marijuana for terminally ill (dying) patients.

    I would like to invite anyone who thinks they should not be allowed to use marijuana for much needed relief to share thier opinions as to why these patients should be denied.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Feb 4, 2009, at 9:48 PM
  • Does anyone argue against the statement that the lower and the middle class spend a greater portion (in many cases all) of their income? Does it not follow that the rich spend less of their income (after all they all ready have all things they need, and most of what they want)?

    Demand, increases proportionately with the increase in percentage of national income spent. The economy will start moving again when there is more money in the pockets of those who spend it.

    As late as 1976 the richest one percent took home only nine percent of the total national income. By 2006 the richest one percent took home twenty percent of the total national income. The last time before that that the richest one percent took home twenty percent or more of total national income was 1928, preceding the great depression.

    At the time of the 1929 market crash, executives jumped from windows smashing on the pavement. Now they float gently away on golden parachutes.

    Why do they now get all the money in hard times, and the rest of us suffer the consequences? If you reap the greater rewards shouldn't you have to take the greater consequences of the risk?


    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Feb 5, 2009, at 2:05 AM
  • The portion of income spent is not what matters. It's the amount you spend which is based on income. The fact is the more money you have the more you spend. The poor are spending it on necessities. The upper income are spending it on large ticket items and paying sales tax on every one of those items. Plus personal property tax plus annual license fees, plus surtax on every utility, it goes on and on. The more money you have the more money you spend. The more things you have the more it costs to keep those things.

    -- Posted by Air Force Wife on Thu, Feb 5, 2009, at 9:26 AM
  • According to City Administrator Charles Tryban, the fence on Odell serves as a buffer. It was built there at least 15 years ago when the natural buffer of "grapevine goulash," as Cheetah calls it, was removed. The fence under construction now is a replacement for the original fence. It is being paid for out of the city's street fund, and costs about $8,000.

    -- Posted by Sydney Stonner on Thu, Feb 5, 2009, at 10:38 AM
  • yes and Cheetah, if you look really close, there are not even ditches along the road.

    -- Posted by ontheside on Thu, Feb 5, 2009, at 11:28 AM
  • Does anyone have information on who the local contact is for the Bucksnort shooting range south of town?


    -- Posted by Gal66 on Thu, Feb 5, 2009, at 2:12 PM
  • Just a quick comment to Bob Stewart's Shepard's Heart article today. Bob's article focuses on how, according to a British environmentalist, he has messed up by having more than 2 children as this supposedly contributes to global warming. Hey Bob, you didn't mess up that bad. Folks like you who love kids and have more than 2 make up for folks who don't have any and don't want any, which is not such a bad thing either. I certainly don't think you are wrecking the world by having "more than your share" of kids.

    -- Posted by Typesetter on Thu, Feb 5, 2009, at 8:58 PM
  • Mr. Crump,

    Am I mistaken or are you a mandolin player?

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Thu, Feb 5, 2009, at 10:50 PM
  • Well said, Typesetter. The Stewart family is wonderful.

    -- Posted by oneofmany on Thu, Feb 5, 2009, at 11:05 PM
  • so what's your point smokin cheetah? you were all over the place with that last post.

    -- Posted by aikman8 on Fri, Feb 6, 2009, at 1:40 AM
  • AFW:

    I thought you was smart enough to do math. Re-read what I quoted, then watch the clip, and finally re-do your math.

    57 states

    Plus 1 left. (58 states)

    Plus, Alaska, and Hawaii.

    Equils 60 states.

    In his quote, he said he went to 57 states. Has 1 more left. But, said he didn't go to Alaska or Hawaii. Which means, he didn't add that into the 57.

    Now, on the side note. Yes, Bush was also a moron. When Bush ran the first time, I coulnd't vote. The second time, he sure didn't get my vote.

    Vote Joe the Plummer in '12.

    -- Posted by ieatsuperglue on Fri, Feb 6, 2009, at 2:01 AM
  • ieasuperglue - yes I "is" smart enough to do the math. I appologize for not including the 2 his staff advised him to not visit. Of course, he has a vacation home in Hawaii so not sure why he wouldn't include it. Alaska I can understand.....

    -- Posted by Air Force Wife on Fri, Feb 6, 2009, at 7:29 AM
  • The intersection of Miami and College needs serious attention by the MPD! If a camera took pictures and issued tickets to each automobile that ran the light, the city would have more than enough money to pay for the fence on Odell St. with no cost to the law abiding tax payers. Better yet, why doesn't the MPD check out the intersection during peak traffic times (breakfast, lunch, dinner) and prevent an accident that is just waiting to happen? There are too many drivers in Marshall that don't give a **** about anyone elses life, but cut one minute off their daily commute!

    -- Posted by rubyred on Fri, Feb 6, 2009, at 9:07 AM
  • MPD need to look at more than just the College St. and Miami St. intersection. If the city needs money, they ought have MPD sit say at the corner of Jackson and Grant. People speed down that section of Grant minute by minute. A stop sign needs to be put somewhere in there. But nothing will happen until someone gets hit and/or killed walking across the street.

    -- Posted by Bigfoot84 on Fri, Feb 6, 2009, at 10:33 AM
  • I agree with comments regarding the intersection of College and Miami. I was sitting at the red light heading west on College. The truck across the intersection turned left on the red light. The driver (older man in a pick-up truck) did not signal or even look both ways. Thank goodness it was early Saturday morning with little traffic. I have noticed, since moving back to Marshall, that we have some of the worst drivers I have ever seen. My favorite (smerk) are the elderly who drive 15 MPH or less. I have seen other drivers pass them on residential streets. Never a cop when you need one.

    -- Posted by i'mback/didyoumissme on Fri, Feb 6, 2009, at 11:02 AM
  • Yes, WTF, I have a mandolin and I do play it whenever I can.

    -- Posted by Eric Crump on Fri, Feb 6, 2009, at 1:04 PM
  • Im back, I couldn't agree with you more.

    I can't believe the drivers in this town. The 4 way stop at Odell and Yerby is just as bad. Not only do people not use their turn signals, at least once a day someone completely runs the stop signs traveling at speeds more than 25 mph. Marshall could become a rich little community if the officers caught more drivers.

    -- Posted by snoozes on Fri, Feb 6, 2009, at 1:45 PM
  • Did the MHS girls actually lose to the Boonville girls by the score of 37-7, or is that a misprint?

    -- Posted by Slater on Fri, Feb 6, 2009, at 6:39 PM
  • Slater: I checked the Boonville paper - it shows the same score.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Fri, Feb 6, 2009, at 8:32 PM
  • Slater, that was a better game for the MHS girls. Last week that lost to Fulton 75-8.

    -- Posted by born-n-raised on Fri, Feb 6, 2009, at 8:50 PM
  • Good grief! 75-8?

    Sometime recently I saw a report about a school losing by the score of something like 100-0. The team with no points was made up of disabled kids, and the coach of the winning team received a LOT of grief for letting his team win by such a lopsided margin, but the losing team didn't complain.

    Definitely no joy in the locker room after scoring a total of 15 points in two games.

    -- Posted by Slater on Fri, Feb 6, 2009, at 9:56 PM
  • I just want to thank Ron Sayers and all of the MHS singers who perform The National Anthem before sporting events. At the MHS basketball game tonight, I heard one of the students from Boonville comment about how awesome they sounded. There they all were, a huge group of kids from every background, singing their hearts out. It still gives me chills. Thanks Ron and the MHS singers for bringing a special touch to this activity and many more throughout the year!

    -- Posted by oneofmany on Fri, Feb 6, 2009, at 9:58 PM
  • While we're at it, I'd like to lend my support to the Marshall girls' basketball team for showing great character during this season. Those who have stuck with the program are showing they have the right stuff. Winning is easy....losing, not so much! A wise man once said, "Sports teach you that when you get knocked down, you pick yourself up, brush yourself off, and get back in the game!" I can't think of a more valuable life lesson. Hang in there, girls! There's always next year!

    -- Posted by oneofmany on Fri, Feb 6, 2009, at 10:03 PM
  • On the electric bill mine doubled this month,I feel that after they installed new meters we are paying for the meters.I don't know how many families are affected by this but something needs to be done.Also my sisters recieved her gas bill and it was triple the amount it was last month,she said they haven't done any thing different,and on the lights we didn't do any thing different.

    -- Posted by nanaof5 on Sat, Feb 7, 2009, at 12:08 AM
  • Yes, Smoking Cheetah...the fence is a "buffer". Wink, wink...can I offer you a bridge that I have for sale too?

    -- Posted by Paulie Walnuts on Sat, Feb 7, 2009, at 12:23 AM
  • tis outrageous when you look around at these rising costs. i think we need a closer look at all these factors. the articles written here about the raise in rates were not very convincing. it leaves you wondering what is missing. altho it's a done deal!!

    -- Posted by marshallite on Sat, Feb 7, 2009, at 4:37 AM
  • What? No discussion on the biggest story of yesterday? Is it because no one believes these former teachers?

    -- Posted by hat full of sky on Sat, Feb 7, 2009, at 8:08 AM
  • Seriously, stop trying to start stuff... did you click on the article itself, there are several comments. Judging by your post, you have taken sides. If that is the case, you may not like most of the posts as they are positive for the teachers.

    -- Posted by real on Sat, Feb 7, 2009, at 8:48 AM
  • real,

    This space is all about "starting stuff." Yes, I have chosen a viewpoint on this topic. Obviously, I would like to hear what others thing -- otherwise, I wouldn't have posted. If you don't want to talk about it, then you can ignore it.

    -- Posted by hat full of sky on Sat, Feb 7, 2009, at 9:06 AM
  • However, I did go to the story as you suggested and read the comments there. It seems that this topic is one that many would like to avoid because it's all been discussed earlier. I will respect that.

    So I withdraw my earlier comment.

    -- Posted by hat full of sky on Sat, Feb 7, 2009, at 9:10 AM
  • So I am also assuming since you are into "starting stuff" you would not mention your true feelings to the individals involved on either side of this? I would venture to guess you are on the side of the accusers. This comment is not directed toward you personally but there are several people taking "sides". Those of you who take sides do you speak your true feelings to those involved even if you are not siding with them? Hmmm. Doubtful.

    -- Posted by real on Sat, Feb 7, 2009, at 11:43 AM
  • Sweet gum trees - proof that God has a sadistic sense of humor.

    If this tree didn't give wonderful shade and wasn't so beautiful in the fall, I'd consider cutting it down, and then I'd dance around the fire while it burned.

    There must be thousands of those ratzafrackin' spiky balls in my side yard. Make that tens of thousands.

    On the positive side, though, it's a beautiful day to be in the yard, even if it's only to rake 'em up.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Sat, Feb 7, 2009, at 1:34 PM
  • But KF, I thought you had an outlet for those gum balls!

    Don't tell me the faltering economy has impinged on that market as well! :(

    -- Posted by Slater on Sat, Feb 7, 2009, at 3:38 PM
  • Slater: Yeah, the times being what they are, nobody wants 'em, even for free. Seems the market's down for Christmas wreaths made out of them and sprayed gold or silver. They're driving me crazy this year - way more of them than usual, I think.

    Do you have these miserable things down there in Texas, or is being in Texas in the first place annoying enough? :)

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Sat, Feb 7, 2009, at 4:43 PM
  • No sweet gum trees down here, but being here in texas is pretty annoying by itself.

    My next-door neighbors in Kansas City had one of those in the parking (thanks to the city), and the woman used to grumble a LOT about those pesky little devils.

    We have mostly live oaks (subject to oak wilt), mesquite (BIG thorns), and a variety of hackberry (noxious odors at certain times of the year). None of these is substantial compared to the silver maples and elms, pin oaks, etc. up there.

    -- Posted by Slater on Sat, Feb 7, 2009, at 4:52 PM
  • real,

    It would depend upon the circumstances. Believe it or not, I try to be polite. If someone was asking my opinions, I would judge whether the situation was one where my opinion would be welcome. Then I would either state my opinion or demur.

    -- Posted by hat full of sky on Sat, Feb 7, 2009, at 5:11 PM
  • Has any one heard about the two boys arrested by bms friday for guns and knives and drugs ?

    -- Posted by purpleroses on Sat, Feb 7, 2009, at 11:38 PM
  • Two "boys" were not arrested and it had nothing to do with Bueker. The two men had displayed a firearm in someway while backing into someone earlier and it morphed into drugs found and arrests.

    It had nothing to do with Bueker other than the very puzzling and risky decision of MPD to stop the car the two men were in right by Bueker.

    -- Posted by Cheese on Sun, Feb 8, 2009, at 4:49 AM
  • To Kathy and Slater:

    I have been following your conversation about the nasty little balls that fall from Sweet Gum trees.

    There is one across the street from our front yard here in Oklahoma City.

    Slater, all though you do not have them in San Antonio I see no reason why they would not grow there. Surely those prickly spheres can be used to propagate the trees, as there appears to be no other practical use for them. Therefore, I would be glad to send you some, say a thousand or so, at no charge.

    Kathy, you revealed that you have spray painted them silver and gold to be utilized as seasonal decorations. I applaud your industry, and your creativity. However I must confess that my reaction was one of relief, and joy, when you said you could no longer sell them, nor even give them away.

    Lest I give unintended offense, I should explain myself. Anyone (I am one) that has blissfully walked bare foot across the warm grass on a beautiful fall day, and then stepped forcefully on a Sweet Gum tree fruit has been subjected to an unforgettable traumatic event.

    From that point forward any reminder of said event brings recurrent anguish. It matters not that if upon sight they are disguised by a splendid spray of silver or gold paint, their unmistakable shape brings horror to the mind of those who have been afflicted. Thus, for we unfortunate ones the mere reminder obstructs the joy intended by the embellishment, and display of the horrid little balls at Christmas. Even worse, the vision, for the moment causes what ever joy one had summoned for the season to be extinguished. Therefore, what was intended to be pleasurable is not. It diminishes the practical effect of the endeavor.

    As you can see the post traumatic stress that has reappeared within me due to the mere discussion that I read has left the experience constantly on my mind. I have tried to turn that preoccupation into something positive. I have spent countless hours trying to think of a truly practical to use for the spiked little nuisances.

    I thought I was on to something when it came to me that they could be used as stuffing for the mattresses for incarcerated Wall Street crooks. It would be a fitting punishment for those wealthy miscreants who have not only ruined our economy as a whole, but have even knocked the bottom out of the decorated Fruit Gum tree balls market, denying ordinary people a chance to make even a few pennies on the side. Then the impracticality of that idea hit me like a hammer. After all none of them will be incarcerated.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Feb 9, 2009, at 1:45 AM
  • Ok Reader: Before I go any further, I hope no one thinks I'm really painting these things and/or selling them. Just poetic license.

    I believe you're onto something with the suggestion of using sweet gum balls as some form on punishment. Let's not rule out the idea of them sleeping on sacks full of spiky gum balls. But let's take it to the logical beginning - make them pick them up by hand out of the yard, one at a time, before making the mattresses. There are enough sweet gum trees just on the block where I live to keep them busy for quite some time :)

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Mon, Feb 9, 2009, at 6:23 AM
  • On the sweet gum ball issue. I have one in our yard, pesky little things I agree 100%.

    What I hate is when they fall on my front porch. Then I try to leave my home through my front door...and it catches on one of them.

    Then I have to pry the crazy little thing out from under the door so I can get it open. *sigh*

    Kathy, I do like your idea...a lot!!

    -- Posted by momandgramma on Mon, Feb 9, 2009, at 8:21 AM
  • The treatment to limit spiky ball production of sweet gum trees, I've read, is not only expensive but not necessarily effective. And it can affect other trees nearby, ones you don't want to disturb. Sweet gums are abundant in the Carolinas, I've noticed. Many of the sweet gums I've seen down there are surrounded by a mulch of long pine needles, but our tree is so tall we'd have to mulch our own yard and a couple of others' to accomplish that kind of coverage control.

    Why are so many planted around here? I've only seen them here and farther south - they're apparently not very popular in northern climes.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Mon, Feb 9, 2009, at 3:03 PM
  • Wow, this sweet gum tree talk is captivating.

    -- Posted by Paulie Walnuts on Mon, Feb 9, 2009, at 4:43 PM
  • Thank you, Paulie - we did it just for you! :)

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Mon, Feb 9, 2009, at 6:21 PM
  • KF, don't be embarrassed or feel self-conscious over your hobby! I think it's cool that you've gone into competition with the Bloomington, IL zoo gift shop. Well, in a manner of speaking, at least.

    You color the fruit and make those wreaths, while the gift shop manager at the zoo makes Christmas ornaments from the reindeer droppings. Anybody want to wager on which is the more popular? :)

    I do like OKR's suggestion about stuffing mattresses with those prickly little varmints, even if none of the Wall Street bandits end up in jail.

    PW, would you trade a carton of English walnuts for a carton or two of the Sweet Gum fruit?

    KF, OKR, Cheetah, go here and read up on the care and abuse of the Sweet Gum (if only Mrs. Hoffman had known about this site!):


    hen heh heh...

    -- Posted by Slater on Mon, Feb 9, 2009, at 6:39 PM
  • Slater: Thanks for the link! I note that "How to kill a sweet gum tree" is prominently featured on that site. LOLOLOL...I'd sure hate to do that but I understand the reasons why people feel the need.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Mon, Feb 9, 2009, at 7:31 PM
  • When I was a kid times were rough.

    A whole lot of things made you tough,

    but the one that I remember best,

    that made us tougher than all the rest,

    the one that really set us free,

    was stompin barefoot neath the sweet gum tree.

    Now the sweet gum as a tree is good,

    it'll give you shade, it'll give you wood,

    but the little old balls that fall below,

    bring blood from a heel, blood from a toe.

    They have little spikes, all over you see,

    yes, stompin barefoot neath the sweet gum tree.

    Many are the times that I look back,

    when loaded with things I just can't hack.

    I see that tree and its treacherous base,

    then all of my troubles are easy to face.

    Were it not for that, where would I be?

    I'm still stompin barefoot neath the sweet gum tree.

    I'm sorry folks..I just could not let the absurd subject of gum tree balls go just yet.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Feb 9, 2009, at 11:59 PM
  • Here's something else green that's in the morning news:


    Since we're considering the medicinal use of marijuana in our poll question, this is worth reading.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 6:07 AM
  • If the federal govt. were really serious about going green then it would allow the production od industrial hemp. Unfortunatly there is too much ignorance about what it is and what it can do.


    -- Posted by What the f...... on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 6:51 AM
  • Here is a link with some great information.


    -- Posted by missy08 on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 7:09 AM
  • Missy08,

    If you posted that link as a response to mine then you have indeed shown your ignorance on the subject.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 7:13 AM
  • And here's another take on the "medicinal" effects of marijuana some may find interesting:


    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 7:27 AM
  • What the f...

    Did I direct my previous post to you? There was a discussion on the board regarding "medicinal use" of marijuana. Your post was on "industrial" use.

    Did you not sleep well last night?????

    -- Posted by missy08 on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 7:46 AM
  • Missy08,

    I said "if" your post was directed at me.

    Now if you want to talk about substance abuse, why don't we talk about the most abused substance of all. Food.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 7:57 AM
  • What about smoking a sweet gum tree for medicinal purposes?

    -- Posted by Cheese on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 7:59 AM
  • Cheese: Well, whaddya know? Sweet gum does have medicinal uses! See it here:


    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 8:13 AM
  • http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7002

    Still another site detailing recent research regarding efficacy of medical marijuana.

    Note: there were over eight hundred thousand arrests last year mostly for possession. it is the third most popular recreational drug in the United States, following alcohol and tobacco.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 9:56 AM
  • Did you know that the Constitution of The United States is printed on hemp paper.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 12:38 PM
  • What the f.....,

    I think the *if* has been addressed and clarified.

    And no, I don't want to address beating up eggs and smashing potatoes....

    A little testy today?

    -- Posted by missy08 on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 3:32 PM
  • OK Reader

    We might as well smoke the Constitution, today we became a Socialist country. And the stock market sure liked the stimulus too.

    -- Posted by Hobie1 on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 3:34 PM
  • Health Provisions in Stimulus Plan

    I find this a little bit frightening. What do y'all think? The politicians are going to tell your physician how to practice medicine? Sleep well tonight.....


    this is a portion of the article -- 'But the bill goes further. One new bureaucracy, the National Coordinator of Health Information Technology, will monitor treatments to make sure your doctor is doing what the federal government deems appropriate and cost effective. The goal is to reduce costs and "guide" your doctor's decisions (442, 446). These provisions in the stimulus bill are virtually identical to what Daschle prescribed in his 2008 book, "Critical: What We Can Do About the Health-Care Crisis." According to Daschle, doctors have to give up autonomy and "learn to operate less like solo practitioners."'

    -- Posted by missy08 on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 3:44 PM
  • doritos -- nacho cheese. i'll bring those....

    -- Posted by missy08 on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 4:16 PM
  • Just read the article posted by missy08 on the health care provisions in the stimulus package. I would say it's unbelievable, but unfortunately it's not. When Americans voted last fall, we wanted access to health care for every American, not Nationalized Health Care. And the idea that this is too important to have to be debated and scrutinized by the elected representatives of the people is ludicrous. How extremely arrogant to feel that someone knows what is right and needs to be done, therefore hurry up and slip it in before anyone notices it's there and actually gives the people a chance to make their disapproval known.

    -- Posted by Reader101 on Tue, Feb 10, 2009, at 9:08 PM
  • Agreed YeeHaw, in particular that statement fits our abysmal health care system.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Feb 11, 2009, at 12:11 AM
  • "if the private industry utilized ethical decision making, the U.S. Government would not be forced to create regulations"

    Oh my gosh! The government is in charge of ethics?

    And one step further -- if the US Government utilized ethical decision making.... -- uh, oh.

    This is the portion of the health care post that makes me cringe -- "...make sure your doctor is doing what the federal government deems appropriate and cost effective..." Kind of like the VA system? Hmmmm.

    -- Posted by missy08 on Wed, Feb 11, 2009, at 5:38 AM
  • Government or Insurance company. What's the difference? Either way the doctor's hands are tied.

    -- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Feb 11, 2009, at 6:41 AM
  • He got his WHOLE leg in the socialist door in 2 weeks.Wow in most countries that would take years.

    -- Posted by GOCHIEFS on Wed, Feb 11, 2009, at 10:26 AM
  • Even Newsweek thinks we are socialist, but worse they think we're turning French.


    -- Posted by Hobie1 on Wed, Feb 11, 2009, at 10:33 AM
  • I've been watching the bankers/congress debacle on CNBC, I can't believe how low their opinions are of the public intellect. One banker was discussing his company/bank getting $3 Billion "bailout" and how they were going to be repaying $150 Million per year like it was a great thing on their part. Well, I hate to be the one to clue him in but that rate takes 20 years to repay and no mention of interest being paid to the public. And not one politician pointed that out! Now, for his info, 5% interest on $3 Billion is $150 million per year. Where's the payback?

    And my favorite "idiot", Barney Frank, came on to chide them for giving up their bonus' since that was earnings their might actually deserve. One person did mention Argentina in the 1988-89 era when their government starting buying the public debts and ended up with 100% inflation for a couple of years. Still no mention of how Japan in 1990 poured billions into bailing out their banks that led to 10 years of recession/deflation. So far no one seems to want to tell us how our plans are different.

    -- Posted by White Tornado on Wed, Feb 11, 2009, at 11:57 AM
  • The following web site offers capsule opinions by five leading economists of the bail out as proposed and allegedly explained by Geithner. Fair warning, it will not make you rest any easier.


    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Feb 12, 2009, at 12:36 AM
  • It's your lucky day. Free clothes at the Lighthouse Thrift Store on Friday, February 13, starting at 9am. You gotta love these guys!!!!

    -- Posted by bbnk on Thu, Feb 12, 2009, at 9:44 AM
  • Happy Friday the 13th and Happy Valentine's Day everyone! Enjoy the weekend and be safe!

    -- Posted by Green Eyes on Fri, Feb 13, 2009, at 11:09 AM
  • Wow! It's Friday the 13th again?

    -- Posted by broke-n-busted on Fri, Feb 13, 2009, at 3:40 PM
  • Ok Cheetah, I confess... I looked it up. (Not afraid of Friday the 13th but I am scared to try to actually speak that word.)

    -- Posted by broke-n-busted on Fri, Feb 13, 2009, at 3:48 PM
  • And here's more bad new for all you nervous paraskavedekatriaphobiacs - there's another one next month and still another in November!

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Fri, Feb 13, 2009, at 4:04 PM
  • What are you doing Cheetah, working on your scrabble skills. You got me with that one, if I had not observed the context I would not have remembered (we vain old people can say don't remember, instead of don't know, and get away with it) the word.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Feb 13, 2009, at 4:15 PM
  • Wish our Aussie friend would check in and let us know that all is well. Sad news out of Oz with the 161 lives loss in wildfires.

    Friends in Adelaide, on the other hand, report that it has rained every day since January 15.

    -- Posted by upsedaisy on Fri, Feb 13, 2009, at 8:53 PM
  • HEY Ron....how about a followup on your opinion of the 911 progress

    -- Posted by GOCHIEFS on Sun, Feb 15, 2009, at 9:46 AM

    FRONTLINE "Inside the Meltdown"

    FRONTLINE investigates the causes of the worst economic crisis in 70 years and how the government responded. The film chronicles the inside stories of the Bear Stearns deal, the Lehman Brothers' collapse, the propping up of insurance giant AIG and the $700 billion bailout. "Inside the Meltdown" examines what Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke didn't see, couldn't stop and haven't been able to fix.

    PBS 9:00PM TUESDAY (San Antonio schedule)

    -- Posted by Slater on Sun, Feb 15, 2009, at 5:41 PM
  • Chiefs Fan, why would you want opinions? Wouldn't specifics be more enlightening?

    Are the County Commissioners now worried that they made a bad selection from among the contractors?

    -- Posted by Slater on Sun, Feb 15, 2009, at 5:48 PM
  • Cosa Nostra...becuase the refiners are cutting back on production. They also shut plants down at this time of the year for maintenance. Convenient, huh?

    -- Posted by momaster on Mon, Feb 16, 2009, at 8:50 AM
  • I just wanted to post that I just read about the passing of Al Mieves. For as long as I can remember back, he ran the Paradise Donut Shop on Odell, until he sold it a few years ago. He was a fair man to work for and I respected him and the hard work he went through just for us to have those donuts. I have eaten many(too many!!) donuts in my day and have yet to find any as good as the ones he made. I remember him telling me his secret when I worked for him as a young 17 year old. I will never tell. LOL

    -- Posted by sapphireslipper on Mon, Feb 16, 2009, at 5:01 PM
  • Cosa Nostra, the site you referenced about high fuel prices is informative but not the end all answer.

    Since the height of oil prices at $150.00 a barrel to today's prices of $34.00 a barrel we see a 441% reduction in the price of crude oil. Gasoline dropped about 50% from the $3.79 per gallon peak locally to the current price today of $1.74. The oil company's and the experts can pontificate their position all they want. The math doesn't add up. If they are having problems from the ineptness of management and failures in planning and implementation for future market conditions, they don't pay the bill, we do!

    -- Posted by John Q. on Mon, Feb 16, 2009, at 7:02 PM
  • Has anyone else heard about the opening of the Tavern in Arrow Rock? If I am correct, it will be open soon and the opening will benefit the new glass program at Marshall High School. This is will be a great combination!!!

    I think I've seen some posters in our area businesses.

    -- Posted by Greg House on Mon, Feb 16, 2009, at 7:39 PM
  • Greg House: We'll be featuring the renewed Tavern in an upcoming Progress edition. Contact Shawn Harris at the high school for information about tickets to the upcoming gala opening.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Mon, Feb 16, 2009, at 8:41 PM
  • sapphireslipper

    I was not aware of Al's passing this saddens our entire family. Al became a friend to many. He and his family our in our prayers.

    -- Posted by writerintraining on Mon, Feb 16, 2009, at 9:40 PM
  • Sapphireslipper, thanks for letting us know about Al. He was such a treasure. When did he pass away? Last I heard he was living in the Sedalia area.I checked their on-line newspaper and didn't find an obituary. I'd really like to let Gretchen and his family know how special he was to our family.

    -- Posted by oneofmany on Mon, Feb 16, 2009, at 10:31 PM
  • I thought that some of you might be interested to learn that the big bankers such as Morgan Stanley and Citigroup apparently have plenty of money to spend...on themselves. Click below, if this does not make you mad, nothing will.


    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Feb 16, 2009, at 11:20 PM
  • Here is a reason given for the crazy gasoline prices that have gone up when crude oil goes down.


    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Feb 16, 2009, at 11:36 PM
  • Just one more. In my opinion some of the current phase of the "bail out" is off on the wrong foot. I believe that we are not going to get much return on our tax dollars. It is throwing another infusion of our money down a rat hole to give it to already insolvent big banks. It would be better to funnel the money through smaller banks that have done things right, and let the dinosaurs fail. At the present the same old insiders that handled phase one for the Bush Administration are handling phase two for the Obama Administration. The result will not be any more productive.

    By the way the three sites I have tagged on these last three posts are all short reads.


    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Feb 16, 2009, at 11:52 PM
  • The obituary for Mr. Mieves was posted Monday in The Democrat News in the online obituary section. I don't usually keep up with the Sedalia area since I don't have any family there. I was born and raised in Marshall and moved away about 5 years ago. I am a faithful everyday reader, even though I know I will come upon sad news from time to time such as this.

    -- Posted by sapphireslipper on Tue, Feb 17, 2009, at 8:29 AM

    -- Posted by 1OFTHEGALS on Tue, Feb 17, 2009, at 8:41 AM
  • Why, is it your long lost house cat?

    -- Posted by Cheese on Tue, Feb 17, 2009, at 9:11 AM
  • Great story about Jane Huff's family's farm.

    I could hear Jane talking as I read the quotes.

    Wonderful threads of history woven around capsules of precious memories - spoken as if they were seen once again through the eyes of a child.

    I could almost see the sparkle.

    Thanks, Jane, for sharing these memories.


    -- Posted by circuitrider on Tue, Feb 17, 2009, at 3:44 PM
  • To all the Marshall Police Officers. I think you do a grand job. To everyone that read more into what I said then i intended. I was only thanking a fellow for a service to the community. Theres also no need to slam a person for trying new things. He's just like you hes good at a lot and great at one thing. Sorry for the misunderstanding blackbird and need a clue.

    -- Posted by SalineFire on Tue, Feb 17, 2009, at 3:53 PM
  • I saw a cougar on the road to Arrow Rock not long ago.

    -- Posted by Bad Egg on Tue, Feb 17, 2009, at 5:56 PM
  • Thanks, sapphireslipper, for the information on Al's obituary. I guess I didn't catch it because it had his full first name. Anyway, anyone who is interested should let his family know by leaving condolences on the funeral home's website www.mclaughlinfuneralchapel.com. This might be a great human interest story for the Democrat News as well. Al was one of Marshall's most prized treasures. I'm sure many locals have fond memories of him when he owned Paradise Donut. One of my favorites was going in about 11:00 at night and getting hot donuts! Yummy! He loved kids and always remembered what my kids favorite donuts were. He'd start sacking them before they even got in the door! Rest in peace, Al!

    -- Posted by oneofmany on Tue, Feb 17, 2009, at 11:49 PM
  • Sense of Destruction

    Cattle tense, low, with their heads reached high, mill restlessly...what?

    Framed by thick gray green clouds reaching to the ground,

    They run, too late, as hail thuds on their backs.

    People mill restlessly, in the canyons of the malls.

    Empty are the store fronts, shades drawn, lights out, in most.

    Empty are the arms, the hands, the eyes, of shopping zombies...what?

    The worm deeper into the earth, the squirrel higher in the tree,

    and the snake slithers ever further into the crevice.


    Check out: http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/175035

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Feb 18, 2009, at 1:12 AM
  • Per "Business Week", "During the darkest 10 years of the Great Depression, from September 1929 to September 1939, the stock market dropped roughly 50%, adjusted for inflation. With today's drop in the stock market, the U.S. has now matched that unfortunate milestone. The Standard & Poor's 500-stock index, adjusted for inflation, is now down about 50% over the past 10 years from Feb. 17, 1999 to Feb. 17, 2009."

    Is it any wonder that people are not heeding the advice of many financial analysts who advise that we just keep making our regular purchases of stock, or investment in our 401Ks, and don't look at the financial statements for now. It seems to me that those idiots have stuck their heads so far down the rat hole where they urge us to send our money that they can't see anything.

    What is even scarier is what is not mentioned in the "Business Week" article. That is the fact that some of the years in the latter period of time were very good years for the market, and that we have relatively speaking just began this new Depres....I mean "down turn". Will stocks drop to 25% of initial value over a fifteen year span that started Feb. 17th, 1999? If so they will never regain their initial value in the life time of many of us.

    The so called conservatives (in name only) say that Franklin Roosevelt's programs did not get us out of the Great Depression, that it was World War II that ended that dismal period in history. Well folks, that is not going to happen this time. We are already involved in two costly wars, and the production of the military-industrial complex is maxed out. There will be no boost from that source this time.

    The cry being heard on the streets, and in the homes of this great nation is "pay it down, pay it off", and it is eminently rational from an individual point of view. It is ironic that selfishness, and greed that got us in to this mess apparently will help to keep us there. Not many in a burst of patriotic zeal are going to suddenly begin to spend and consume madly when it goes against their self interest. There will be no return to rampant consumerism to restart the auto business, nor any other business dependent on wants rather than needs.

    Lowering taxes will not get us out of the pickle either, all but the very rich who have hidden their stash will put it away for the rainy day that has already soaked the rest of us. If Joe gets an extra ten bucks in his pay check he is going to buy canned foods to store. The only exception may be Joe Sixpack who may buy more Bud to drown his sorrows.

    It appears that the great middle class that reached its zenith in the twentieth century, may well sink to its nadir in the first quarter of the twenty first century. We adults, or at least our children, are going to adapt to a new way of thinking, and a new way of living. My money is on them to pull it off.



    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Feb 19, 2009, at 12:41 AM
  • Ok Reader......isn't there any closer small town papers to you than ours? I'M sure they would LOVE to read your 2 or 3 manifestos daily, thank you

    -- Posted by GOCHIEFS on Thu, Feb 19, 2009, at 9:54 AM
  • Hey SC, I try be o.k. now, so no one mad at me.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Feb 19, 2009, at 1:50 PM
  • No job her, no job him, I sad. Fur on her, big car him, I mad. Big man lie, big man fat, we no eat, I mad, mad. Kid be o.k., I bet.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Feb 19, 2009, at 2:12 PM
  • Very Important for you to be aware of a new bill HR 45 introduced into the House.

    This is the Blair Holt Firearm Licensing & Record of Sale Act of 2009.

    Most gun shop owners didn't know about this because it is flying under the radar.

    To find out about this - go to any government website and type in HR 45 or Google HR 45 Blair Holt Firearm Licensing & Record of Sales Act of 2009. You will get all the information.

    Basically this would make it illegal to own a firearm - any rifle with a clip or ANY pistol unless:

    *It is registered

    *You are fingerprinted

    *You supply a current Driver's License

    *You supply your Social Security #

    *You will submit to a physical & mental evaluation at any time of their choosing

    *Each update - change or ownership through private or public sale must be reported and costs $25 - Failure to do so you automatically lose the right to own a firearm and are subject up to a year in jail.

    *There is a child provision clause on page 16 section 305 stating a child-access provision. Gun must be locked and inaccessible to any child under 18.

    They would have the right to come and inspect that you are storing your gun safely away from accessibility to children and fine is punishable for up to 5 yrs. in prison.

    If you think this is a joke - go to the website and take your pick of many options to read this. It is long and lengthy. But, more and more people are becoming aware of this. Pass the word along. Any hunters in your family - pass this along.

    Peter Boyles is on this and having guests. Listen to him on KHOW 630 a.m. in the morning. He suggests the best way to fight this is to tell all your friends about it and "spring into action". Also he suggests we all join a pro-gun group like the Colorado Rifle Association, hunting associations, gun clubs and especially the NRA.

    This is just a "termite" approach to complete confiscation of guns and disarming of our society to the point we have no defense - chip away a little here and there until the goal is accomplished before anyone realizes it.

    This is one to act on whether you own a gun or not.

    If you take my gun, only the criminal will have one to use against me.




    -- Posted by Gal66 on Thu, Feb 19, 2009, at 2:31 PM
  • Enough with the mammoth posts already!

    Frankly, I see nothing wrong with the bill.

    -- Posted by Cheese on Thu, Feb 19, 2009, at 2:45 PM
  • So cheese you see nothing wrong with them being able to come into your home with out a warrent?

    Also by the guns having to be stored where anyone under the age of 18 can not get to them means that if you are a gun owner you can not keep it out for protection, If you dont think protection could be needed here in Marshall you have had your head in the sand.

    -- Posted by Gal66 on Thu, Feb 19, 2009, at 4:08 PM
  • Gal 66 I am with you on this one. I am a Progressive, and I don't see this bill to be of benefit to the people (which is always my personal test question).

    It would be a nightmare to enforce such a bureaucratically complex bundle. Frankly, most people would ignore it. It would be far too expensive to enforce, in this time of need. When our goal is to put money in people's pockets due to our dire economic straits, why would a sane person want to make any one cough up $25.00 to register their old shot gun or twenty two that has a clip? There are many more reasons why it is a bad bill, but not to offend those with an attention span that is frustrated by any thing longer than a television commercial I will stop.

    Trust me this bill as written will never get out of committee. Thank you for calling it to our attention.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Feb 19, 2009, at 4:51 PM
  • OKR...not frustrated by length ,,but by your rhetoric

    -- Posted by GOCHIEFS on Thu, Feb 19, 2009, at 5:17 PM
  • Eric,

    This commentary thread goes back to Dec 16. Isn't it usually divided on a monthly basis?

    -- Posted by upsedaisy on Thu, Feb 19, 2009, at 6:42 PM
    Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
    Oops. I'll archive this one later today. Thanks for the reminder.
  • If I had to cough up $25.00 to register every gun I have that is not registered it would cost me well over $1000!

    If I registered them :-)

    OKR I hope your right.

    My opinion on the long posts is they don't bother me, of course I am one that tends to have long posts

    -- Posted by Gal66 on Thu, Feb 19, 2009, at 9:12 PM
  • OKR the funny thing is i agree with you 75% of the time.........you just take soooooo longggg to say it.

    -- Posted by GOCHIEFS on Fri, Feb 20, 2009, at 4:51 AM
  • Only great minds can read this

    This is weird, but interesting!

    fi yuo cna raed tihs, yuo hvae a sgtrane mnid too

    Cna yuo raed tihs? Olny 55 plepoe out of 100 can.

    i cdnuolt blveiee taht I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was rdanieg. The phaonmneal pweor of the hmuan mnid, aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it dseno't mtaetr in waht oerdr the ltteres in a wrod are, the olny iproamtnt tihng is taht the frsit and lsat ltteer be in the rghit pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it whotuit a pboerlm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Azanmig huh? yaeh and I awlyas tghuhot slpeling was ipmorantt! if you can raed tihs forwrad it

    -- Posted by Gal66 on Fri, Feb 20, 2009, at 10:32 AM
  • Gal66

    Five friends and I played your word game many years ago. Every Friday night we would each bring a jumbled paragraph to happy hour. We would try to read one with each drink. Needless to say, by the 6th drink - well - you know. Oh, those were the days.

    -- Posted by i'mback/didyoumissme on Fri, Feb 20, 2009, at 4:57 PM
  • HELP, I have a ten year old nephew in special schooling about to start college courses. Obviously high IQ so I have challenged him and his class to see which of us, me or his class, (and I cheat to win! which is why I'm asking for the help) can come up with the most words to identify a group of animals, insect, birds, etc. So far, off the top of my head, I have 19. I think I have most of the common ones such as bevy, swarm, gaggle, etc. so if you can give me some of the more obtuse please do. Thanks!

    -- Posted by White Tornado on Fri, Mar 13, 2009, at 12:18 AM
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