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For more gravitational contemplation check out this study on the facial expression of Keanu Reeves.

http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/200...

-- Posted by ydnasllew on Tue, Dec 16, 2008, at 5:18 PM

Well, Keanu has been contemplating gravity all of his career. Lat's what that look on his face is.

-- Posted by ydnasllew on Tue, Dec 16, 2008, at 4:44 PM

"Is the dual nature of man as a creature of both love and hate worth the pain and suffering we cause each other?"

Now that, my friends, is gravity worth contemplating.

HAHA! (get it - it was a joke ...)

AW - you will always be one of my favorite writers. Keep up the good work.

-- Posted by circuitrider on Tue, Dec 16, 2008, at 2:10 PM

Like I said - not worth the fight.

You can't take most of what's written on here too seriously.

Think I'll go contemplate gravity.

pr

-- Posted by circuitrider on Tue, Dec 16, 2008, at 1:09 PM

This avenue of free speech has obviously also given everybody the ability to take every moment of levity and turn them into ridiculously serious issues of contemplation and gravity.

-- Posted by ydnasllew on Tue, Dec 16, 2008, at 1:00 PM

AW

I wonder if calling someone an "utter disaster of a man" can be so easily dismissed as a joke.

This whole thing is simply not worth fighting over. This is what free speech has become in our nation - an avenue for a few to say anything they want about anyone they choose and then place an "haha" after it to indicate humor.

Problem is - sadly - as in this case - sometimes it just ain't funny!

-- Posted by circuitrider on Tue, Dec 16, 2008, at 11:42 AM

Oh you people gotta lighten up. What our Okie reader posted was funny. Ha! Ha! A joke. Just like watching Jay Leno before you go to bed at night.

-- Posted by ydnasllew on Tue, Dec 16, 2008, at 10:31 AM

Man -

When will you folks learn that all the evil in the world CANNOT be put at the feet of President Bush. I'm not that big of a fan, but he is not the Great Satan some of you seem to think he is.

It took all three branches of the government - plus a whole league of lobbyists, financial gurus, and incompetent businemen to get us into the shape we're in. You can't blame one person.

Just a thought

pr

-- Posted by circuitrider on Tue, Dec 16, 2008, at 8:41 AM

Is everything wrong in the world Bush's fault?

-- Posted by Gal66 on Tue, Dec 16, 2008, at 8:20 AM

You know that shoe throwing episode with Bush might (inadvertently) at the end of his reign finally result in something good from that utter disaster of a man.

Suppose that throwing your shoes at Bush on sight became a national pastime. Suppose that for the rest of his life every where he went people threw their shoes. The Secret Service who will always have to accompany him everywhere to protect his sorry neck anyway could gather those thrown shoes for charity. When you consider the millions who despise him, if you ran him out in public fairly often you could easily collect a thousand pairs a week. Its about time the shoe was put on the other foot.

Imagine all those poor unemployed fellers that are gonna be living in Bushvilles all over the nation that will have worn out their shoe leather huntin a job. The shoe truck could just pull up and toss new shoes to em. Off they could go again searchin for a job, or "brother can you spare a dime?". Then there is all them poor illegals also searchin for a job (what jobs?) that have worn out their hurachas gettin to the border. We could just stack piles of "Bush boots" at the border so they could proceed in comfort. Bush would feel real good about it too, cause ever since Dick Cheney told him they help keep wages down he has wanted lots of em around.

To top it off maybe a law could be written that every time a shoe hit him he would have to pay one hundred dollars to the food bank, make it kinda like a dunk tank. Of course there would be no bail out for Bush.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Dec 16, 2008, at 1:02 AM

Give that fellow in Iraq another pair of shoes, he deserves another throw, it mightknock some sense in Bush, but I doubt it.

-- Posted by saline on Mon, Dec 15, 2008, at 6:09 PM

Here's one good explanation for how gas is priced and why it fluctuates so much:

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/gas-price....

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Mon, Dec 15, 2008, at 4:35 PM

Cheetah: Amen to that!

litlmissme: This is just off the cuff, with no outside support for my answer, but I don't think there is any kind of cap on what a station can charge for gas, no matter what they pay for it.

I do remember quite well that Casey's got into a bunch of trouble for raising the price of gas on 9-11, however. At the time, gas wasn't selling for anywhere near the $4 to $4.50 a gallon Casey's posted on that date, immediately following the terrorist attack on the World Trade Center. It that's not opportunistic pricing, I don't know what is.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Mon, Dec 15, 2008, at 4:09 PM

Well, born-n-raised...I live in one of those small towns you just mentioned, and I will promise you that the gas is not any cheaper there. It's always cheaper here in Marshall and yes it's a lot cheaper in KC, but they have the competition there to be able to. I'm not complaining, I am loving the gas prices right now!

-- Posted by prd123 on Mon, Dec 15, 2008, at 4:01 PM

prd123, sure KC is a lot bigger than Marshall, but what about Slater, Sweet Springs, and Waverly? Smaller towns, cheaper gas. Size really doesn't matter......The gas station owners in Marshall are operating like the oil companies did just a couple of months ago; sell it high until the people stop buying.

-- Posted by born-n-raised on Mon, Dec 15, 2008, at 3:42 PM

Just curious but isn't there a cap on how much a service staion can charge for a gallon of gasoline? example If they purchased it at $1.19, can they legally charge $1.49?

-- Posted by litlmissme on Mon, Dec 15, 2008, at 3:28 PM

I have a friend who is a sales analyst for Sinclair in Utah. A couple years ago we were talking about gas prices. His comment to me was.."you Missourians better thank your lucky stars that you have Casey's sitting up there in Des Moines. MFA would be nailing you on gas if you didn't"

Just because they're home based doesn't mean they intend to do us any favors.

-- Posted by outsider on Mon, Dec 15, 2008, at 2:39 PM

Well, Saline Fire....that's the good thing about email!! Didn't cost me a thing!!

-- Posted by prd123 on Mon, Dec 15, 2008, at 2:05 PM

I agree Kathy, unless you're on a Sunday stroll or you got a reason to travel. Driving for gas prices is a waste of time for the satisfaction of cheaper prices at the pump. Also writing Casey's General Store finding out why the gas is higher to me doesn't get you anywhere but a price for a stamp. I believe it's pretty clear that Saline County is gabbled up by MFA fuel and they set the price. This may not seem fair to the citizens of Saline County although the positive side to this is MFA is a Missouri based company provided by Columbia. Go Tigers and go keep your money in this state!!

-- Posted by SalineFire on Mon, Dec 15, 2008, at 1:39 PM

I would have to agree with Kathy. When I was still living in Missouri and going to high school there I would fill up in other towns only if I was there for something else. In the end it will just cost you more and waste your time driving to another city to buy gas. We all have to deal with it and take things as they come. Nobody like high prices but that's the way things work.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Years to all!!!

-- Posted by aen2012 on Mon, Dec 15, 2008, at 1:37 PM

Driving elsewhere to get gas isn't always the smartest move. Depending on the car you drive, it costs more than 50 cents per mile to drive it anywhere at all. Driving 60 miles round trip to Sedalia, for example, costs you $30. If the difference in the cost of gas is, say 10 cents per gallon, and you fill a 15-gallon tank, you've saved $1.50 in the cost of gas, but spent 20 times that to do it.

Even if you count ONLY the price of gas, it's a poor exchange. If your car gets 20 miles to the gallon, you spent $4.50 cash for the gas to get to Sedalia to save $1.50 on gas.

If you are already traveling to Sedalia for some reason, by all means fill up while you're there, but going that far isn't wise just for the gas savings. Even driving only as far as Slater doesn't make sense for a 10-cent difference.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Mon, Dec 15, 2008, at 1:26 PM

If all of you are so concerned on why gas is higher here, check it out for yourselves. Ask the company. Quit bashing Marshall businesses and write the company. I did a few months back, here is what Casey's had to say...

"Several factors are considered when pricing gasoline. Most generally we price with our competition and as you know, this market is highly competitive."

You can't compare Marshall to Kansas City. Ever notice KC is quite bigger!? Gas could be $4 a gallon again, so I'd be happy with what you have and quit complaining.

-- Posted by prd123 on Mon, Dec 15, 2008, at 1:08 PM

Sad but very true regarding the gas in Marshall, I am originally from Marshall and now live in Kansas City but still have friends and family that live there. I always call them before traveling to compare gas prices....currently gas is $1.25!!! here in Kansas City. It makes it worth the drive for the residents of Marshall to travel elsewhere to shop,not only price wise but for selection. Sad, it's Marshall Business Owners that are destroying their own economy.....

-- Posted by priorlife on Mon, Dec 15, 2008, at 12:42 PM

That would be great, Mr. Crump; however, I fear that many gas station owners would remain "elusive". It would be bad for their business to admit that greed is the greatest factor for the higher gas prices in Marshall.

-- Posted by born-n-raised on Mon, Dec 15, 2008, at 7:17 AM

Gas prices historically have been higher in Marshall than all the surrounding communities. This sounds like something that should be dug into a little further. Maybe the gas station owners will walk into the Democrat News and provide the story.

-- Posted by born-n-raised on Sun, Dec 14, 2008, at 6:44 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
http://www.marshallnews.com/story/116731...

http://www.marshallnews.com/story/116637...

Perhaps it's time to do a followup story. I'd like to find someone who will address the question directly. Last time we tried, that person proved to be elusive.

John Q.

Well, when I have to drive to Blue Springs to Hobby Lobby or to Sedalia's Walmart to get material and notions for my craft projects I might as well do it since I can get my gas up to .20 cents cheaper there and I can't get such items in my hometown. Additionally, I was in Walmart this weekend and two different times I heard someone around me say something to the effect of Marshall's Walmart doesn't carry (insert product here) so I have to go to Sedalia to get it. When you can't get what you need or want here and gas is so much cheaper elsewhere it is worth driving all that way to get the gas cheaper because you can purchase other items in other towns that you can't get here. Yes, I am for shopping locally and keeping my tax dollars in Marshall, but many times what you need you cannot get here and with gas prices .10-.25 cents cheaper with an hour or less of driving you might as go there and fill up before driving back home.

I just wonder why small towns around us that don't even have a Walmart usually have cheaper gas. Sometimes Slater is cheaper, Marshall Junction was also at $1.39 over the weekend and I know Waverly, which is some distance from other towns and doesn't have a Walmart, had there gas at $1.39/gal this weekend, and they are consistantly a dime cheaper per gallon than Marshall. I'm sure I'm not the only person who wonders why Marshall's gas prices are consistantly at least .5 to .10 cents higher and why, for what seems to be no reason, the price increased here at the end of last week when it did not increase anywhere else.

-- Posted by Typesetter on Sun, Dec 14, 2008, at 6:11 PM

Typesetter, Marshall in in a unique spot when it comes to the price of gas. You have to drive some distance to get gas at a cheaper price than Marshall. It's not worth the cost to drive someplace else to buy gas. What you save on gas gets lost in the price of getting it somewhere else.

-- Posted by John Q. on Fri, Dec 12, 2008, at 9:59 PM

Great news! Thanks!

-- Posted by Green Eyes on Fri, Dec 12, 2008, at 4:51 PM

We own land near the old railroad and were told it was going to be turned into a walking trail.

-- Posted by mo_momma on Fri, Dec 12, 2008, at 3:31 PM

The Democrat-News did two stories in January 2008 on proposed closings of railroad crossings:

http://www.marshallnews.com/story/130620...

http://www.marshallnews.com/story/130672...

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Fri, Dec 12, 2008, at 3:15 PM

I would love to see the abandoned RR bed turned into a trail for walking, running, biking, etc. Anyone have any thoughts on this?

-- Posted by writerintraining on Fri, Dec 12, 2008, at 2:35 PM

Gas in Marshall went UP today from $1.44 yesterday to $1.49 per gallon this morning. As per GasBuddy.com Independence, Blue Springs, Grain Valley are all hovering around $1.29 a gallon. Sedalia is at $1.45 and holding. WTF? Why does it seem gas is almost always higher here in Marshall and what is the reasoning behind the price increase today? I'd say it is the Christmas holiday approaching, but that is 2 weeks away! Surely they are not hiking it for the holiday already.

-- Posted by Typesetter on Fri, Dec 12, 2008, at 2:14 PM

KMMO (the station that cares) reported several months ago that whichever railroad owns those tracks informed the city that they were going to remove the tracks.

-- Posted by born-n-raised on Fri, Dec 12, 2008, at 1:58 PM

I've seen them at Brunswick and Lincoln. You're right, Gal66. Those tracks have been dormant for quite some time.

-- Posted by Green Eyes on Fri, Dec 12, 2008, at 12:26 PM

"Response by Geoff Rands/Staff writer:

I took a look at the tracks, but it would be helpful to know where exactly you've seen these crews."

I have seen them at the tracks just North and East of the Casey's on Eastwood street.

It looks like to me they may be removing the old tracks I don't think those tracks have been used in years.

-- Posted by Gal66 on Fri, Dec 12, 2008, at 11:13 AM

Checking to see if anyone knows what's going on on the traintracks on the north side of town. These tracks run parallel to Eastwood and perpendicular to Lincoln, Odell, Lafayette, etc. At night, there is a construction crew with spotlights. Hmmmm, interesting.

-- Posted by Green Eyes on Fri, Dec 12, 2008, at 8:59 AM
Response by Geoff Rands/Staff writer:
I took a look at the tracks, but it would be helpful to know where exactly you've seen these crews.

How *****has*****

-- Posted by SalineFire on Thu, Dec 11, 2008, at 1:16 PM

Poll

With us being in a "Recession," how was that effected your holiday spirit?

A) I've bought more presents then ever before

B) Only buying things on sale that people need not want

C) Gift Cards to Wal-mart for me!

D) Baaaaahhhhhum bug!

-- Posted by SalineFire on Thu, Dec 11, 2008, at 1:14 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Thanks! I'll get it going.

BD42 To find anothers comments moronic, be- cause of expression. Yes, I do know that to type in caps. would imply that the typist voice was raised. But for you to imply that you heard the voice, perhaps you have a feature on your computer that none of the rest of us have. I would think, you could have thought of something better to pick on than someone making a post in capital letters. Something to think about.

-- Posted by big3fan_62 on Thu, Dec 11, 2008, at 7:21 AM

mofireman,

I understand what your saying and I think to a point your right but myself starting with the community is not the place to start.

How many of the 800+ students came to the event?

I would bet less than half the parents with kids on the team showed up!

The thing I saw back when my kids played sports in Marshall was if the teams are winning the people will show up.

BD42 if anyones comments are moronic it's yours also very childish

-- Posted by Gal66 on Thu, Dec 11, 2008, at 7:01 AM

Mofireman,

1. please stop "yelling" -- that's what it's called when you type in all caps.

2. Your expressions are moronic.

-- Posted by hat full of sky on Wed, Dec 10, 2008, at 9:21 PM

I HAD A CHANCE TO ATTEND THE WRESTLING DOUBLE DUAL AT MARSHALL HIGH SCHOOL TONIGHT. MARSHALL HOSTED CHILLOCOTHE AND MEXICO. THE WRESTLING WAS GOOD BUT YOU KNOW WHAT I NOTICED? THAT THERE WAS MORE SPECTATORS FROM MEXICO AND CHILLICOTHE THAN FROM MARSHALL. THANKS FOR SUPPORTING OUR HOME TEAM, IT SHOWS THAT PEOPLE FROM MARSHALL DOES NOT GIVE A RATS A### ABOUT SUPPORTING OUR HOME TEAMS! ITS NO WONDER KIDS DONT GO OUT FOR SPORTS, YOU CANT EVEN GET THE COMMUNITY BEHIND THEM!

-- Posted by mofireman on Wed, Dec 10, 2008, at 8:22 PM

"rex," we're in agreement on one thing - you aren't from Slater because Slater wouldn't have you, certainly not in my day and time there.

Remain at the ready near the courthouse! It needs you.

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, Dec 10, 2008, at 5:44 PM

Why was my post deleted. I find that rideculous. It is christmas time and a family is in need and all I was doing was asking if anyone knew of any help. May God Bless your family

-- Posted by marshallmom67 on Wed, Dec 10, 2008, at 12:12 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Your comment was not deleted. It's possible you need to select the "refresh" or "reload" feature on your web browser in order to get the latest version of the page.

Has anyone heard of any churches or organizations that are helping families in need for christmas. If anyone knows of anything PLEASE let me know.

Thank you

-- Posted by marshallmom67 on Wed, Dec 10, 2008, at 11:49 AM

GoChiefs -

Given their limited staffing, I think the MDN does an admirable job of coving the community. However, it is and has always been the responsibility of the community to help them know that events and news are happening. It's really no different than people needing to call the police when something happens. Nobody can be everywhere at once, and I'm reasonably sure that none of them are psychic.

-- Posted by koeller77 on Wed, Dec 10, 2008, at 9:44 AM

Rex is the manager at wal-mart.

-- Posted by Slater on Tue, Dec 9, 2008, at 8:52 PM

BD42: And let us not forget Otto Kerner and Dan Walker, too, although Walker's convictions were unrelated to his time in office. Illinois does seem to have some difficulties with the governor's office!

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Tue, Dec 9, 2008, at 4:44 PM

www.cityofslater.com Has the Black Charger btw.

-- Posted by SalineFire on Tue, Dec 9, 2008, at 3:10 PM

Prd hahaha I'm with ya on that one. You forgot the '68 charger. not givin needs to stop at blockbuster get the movie bullit, watch it and then realize that the bullit mustang driven by Steve McQueen is chased in the movie by a Black Charger. dmrthnsht...

-- Posted by SalineFire on Tue, Dec 9, 2008, at 3:08 PM

notgvnasht.....

There is a 1968 Bullit Mustang....a 2001 Bullit...and a 2008 Bullit. All of these are commemorative to Steve McQueen (meaning, in honor of, or in memory of, etc...)

Not trying to hide anything....other than maybe a couple yucka plants....if u really "gvasht"......

-- Posted by prd123 on Tue, Dec 9, 2008, at 2:42 PM

GOCHIEFS,

There's lots of stuff in the printed paper that doesn't show up online. Why don't you pull yourself away from the computer and go buy one. Or go down to the library (where they have lots of newspapers to read) and take a look.

-- Posted by hat full of sky on Tue, Dec 9, 2008, at 1:49 PM

THANK YA

-- Posted by RedTruckRider on Tue, Dec 9, 2008, at 1:30 PM

Dont expect them to be everywhere but..somewhere besides where we have already gotten it offline would be nice..I guess i just miss a local paper with local news. We dont even have a police report anymore which has always been a staple to a smalltown newspaper

-- Posted by GOCHIEFS on Tue, Dec 9, 2008, at 1:18 PM

Mr. Crump I think it would be informative for the county area to get the story on how a fellow's truck was stolen in Slater last weekend drove to the country and left. Unfortunately for the owner not only was his property violated they lit the cab area on fire to ruin the persons vehicle. I think Wally's wonderful men and women recovered the vehicle. Can we get a story please sir?

-- Posted by RedTruckRider on Tue, Dec 9, 2008, at 1:07 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Oops. My fault. We published the story in the paper yesterday but I forgot to post it on the website. It's posted now.

GOCHIEFS,

What good old days were those? Was it when newspaper employees were superheroes who could be everywhere at the same time (so that no stories were missed)AND read minds so that anyone who was even thinking about what should appear in the newspaper was magically there?!!!

Newspapers have always relied on community members to alert them about happenings in the area!

-- Posted by hat full of sky on Tue, Dec 9, 2008, at 12:49 PM

Interesting . . .

December 2008

Democratic Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich was arrested today on federal corruption charges related to the selection of President-elect Barack Obama's Senate successor. U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald said Blagojevich tried to sell the Senate seat in exchange for favors. Blagojevich also is accused of trying to get members of the Chicago Tribune's editorial board fired for criticizing him.

December 2003

Former Gov. George Ryan was indicted Wednesday on federal charges of taking payoffs, gifts and vacations in return for government contracts and leases while he was Illinois secretary of state.

-- Posted by hat full of sky on Tue, Dec 9, 2008, at 12:46 PM

Whatever happened to the good old days when a newspaper reporter or newsman would hear a local rumor and go actually go out and LOOK for a story.? It seems now the only way news gets reported is if the readership goes out and brings in the "stats and facts" I guess we could set the type when we bring it all in.

-- Posted by GOCHIEFS on Tue, Dec 9, 2008, at 10:28 AM

Cheese: Type the word "speedway" in the search box and you'll find quite a number of stories on Saline County's racing history. KF

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Tue, Dec 9, 2008, at 9:29 AM

Mr. Crump, if indeed a huge deer was taken during this hunting season, that is definitely news in this community. Is there anyway this could be followed up on?

-- Posted by born-n-raised on Tue, Dec 9, 2008, at 9:29 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Sure. If the hunter provides us with information and/or photos, we can publish the story.

I guess they removed it? I wanted the link and I came back it was gone. I guess the Democrat doesn't want to promote Saline County's history?

Mr. Crump?

-- Posted by Cheese on Tue, Dec 9, 2008, at 9:18 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
We've published numerous stories about Saline County history, including a long-running series on racing. The person who posted the link to the speedway website has done so a number of times in the past, including once just a week ago. It wasn't part of the conversation, just an apparent attempt to use our site to drive traffic to another site, which I consider an abuse of this service. If the link gets posted now and then, fine. Anyone interested in promoting their own project frequently is welcome to take out an ad.

Rachel Harper's racing series stories can be found here:

http://www.marshallnews.com/story/128684...

Wherever that speedway comment went...I was going to say - yes and my uncle was killed on that track.

-- Posted by opin on Tue, Dec 9, 2008, at 8:00 AM

yomomma, last week a business owner told me about a humongous buck that was killed here in Saline County. It had more points that I've ever heard of.

-- Posted by John Q. on Mon, Dec 8, 2008, at 11:25 PM

I would like to say my sister and i were brought to U.S.A. from nord a province of haiti 17 years ago after are father had been here two years.we like others from other countrys i have spoke with appreciate this country and citizens.

-- Posted by d sucka on Mon, Dec 8, 2008, at 5:56 PM

You can have the first annual marshallnews.com blog awards chosen by the readers. Use the poll so that readers can vote for their favorite blog!

-- Posted by SecretAgentMichaelScarn on Mon, Dec 8, 2008, at 3:43 PM

Poll question option #2

Looking back on my times in Marshall...

A. I would do nothing different, Marshall is the greatest place in the world. I LOVE my trailer park!

B. Moved out long, long ago.

C. I'm glad I left when I did!

D. I've never lived in Marshall and should get more hobbies than reading the MDN.

E. Man, where do I start...

-- Posted by aa on Mon, Dec 8, 2008, at 3:36 PM

Actually Rexy i reside in the county. I'm not stereotyped in any one town. Just saline county. Also don't waste your time looking for me around the courthouse on a cold windy night. If its me your looking for I can assure you that i won't be around. Good luck with your patrol hopefully MPD and Wally George's Fine men can serve the rest of the area with you taking that burden off them...

-- Posted by SalineFire on Mon, Dec 8, 2008, at 3:20 PM

Time for a new poll question Eric!

-- Posted by rmb4life on Mon, Dec 8, 2008, at 2:04 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
I agree. Any suggestions?

HAS ANYBODY HEARD OF BIG DEER KILLED IN SALINE COUNTY THIS YEAR????

-- Posted by yomomma on Mon, Dec 8, 2008, at 12:17 PM

Whats your problem with Slater Secret Agent??

-- Posted by SalineFire on Mon, Dec 8, 2008, at 12:09 PM

A lot of people don't like Slater, Missouri.

-- Posted by SecretAgentMichaelScarn on Mon, Dec 8, 2008, at 9:24 AM

It seems to me that rex is the same person that always started stuff on here a while ago under a different name. I can't think of the name, but he/she used to start stuff and I think he/she had a few user names. He/she would carry on a conversation with him/herself. He/she always said slater sucked and mentioned the court house several times. Don't get caught up in a discussion with this person because all this person does is try to create drama on this site.

-- Posted by cjay on Mon, Dec 8, 2008, at 1:47 AM

i wish the y was open all the time like snap so i could be even bigger than my wife

-- Posted by d sucka on Sun, Dec 7, 2008, at 7:33 PM

Rex,

Thank you for your opinion. If you are from another country, welcome to the freedom we enjoy here. The freedom to agree, or disagree. Something many other countries cannot even hope to have, and something many Americans taken for granted. We, as Americans, are a spoiled group. We have forgotten what our forefathers did for us and for many around the globe. Many served and died so we could have these freedoms. Some have gone so far as to "shoot first and ask questions later". In the past that may have been to protect the freedoms you enjoy today. Today, I wonder.

Many do not want to hear contradictions. But that is what has made our country strong. The problem now is that the few demand rights that contradict the good of all. The few call themselves oppressed to be granted privilages that are exclusive to them and feel that is right. Leaving the majority out of the loop to be denied what they really deserve just so a few can be given "rights".

It does not really matter if you are from Marshall. If you know, or remember, Hayob's Theater, Gambles, or Johnnie's skate rink. then good for you. Remember you know them because you are in America. A land of choice. So maybe you shop at Walmart, Aldie's or IGA. And maybe you shopped at Sam's or Milgrims before that. You have the freedom to shop where you want.

Walmart is a large multinational corporation that has done good and bad in every community in which a store exists. They would not be in Marshall if the citizens of Marshall did not want them. As for service, you pay for what you get. If people want service go to Orschelins or somewhere else. If you want cheap foreign made goods, go to Walmart.

-- Posted by ghostwriter1978 on Sun, Dec 7, 2008, at 2:11 PM

rex - FYI - not all military people live under bridges and although I do shop at Wal-Mart it is not to buy donuts. Also, we do not have to go to broken down hospitals. There are choices for active and retired military. It is like everyone else, what you do with those choices determines how you live.

Thank you for spending your $'s at Wal-Mart. I have a lot of stock in the company so really appreciate it.

-- Posted by Air Force Wife on Sat, Dec 6, 2008, at 10:05 PM

Thanks Slater, that explains a lot. Contrary to rex's opinion, not ALL Americans like Spam.

-- Posted by born-n-raised on Sat, Dec 6, 2008, at 7:35 PM

Born-n-Raised, Rex is a spammer, getting his kicks by trash talking and getting people stirred up over nothing.

Rex has most likely temporarily stepped out of his usual pseudonym in order to bring a few people his brand of "Holiday Cheer."

-- Posted by Slater on Sat, Dec 6, 2008, at 7:08 PM

i had a ferret named rex but my cat got a hold of it

-- Posted by d sucka on Sat, Dec 6, 2008, at 6:24 PM

Great suggestion, Hombre! Did anyone else catch the "our courthouse" comment. That sounds like a Marshallite to me. Me thinks rex might not be foreign after all.....What gives?

-- Posted by born-n-raised on Sat, Dec 6, 2008, at 5:20 PM

rex..

I got a suggestion. Go ahead and say what you think of all the people you know in Marshall now who are alive on this forum so you won't have to worry about missing someone after they've departed.

Problem solved.

-- Posted by Hombre on Sat, Dec 6, 2008, at 4:58 PM

Rex,

You have made it clear that you are not from the U.S. Now you have asked why there is no comment section for our obituaries. Why on earth would you want to "comment" on the obituaries of our local dead? What could you possibly have to say about them? Do you actually know people here? Maybe you could tell us what country you are from so that we may better understand where you are coming from.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Sat, Dec 6, 2008, at 9:35 AM

rex,

the only thing shopping in "Wal-Mart" qualifies you for is your "own opinion"! furthermore, maybe your opinion should be the the one discounted, not being from "america" !!

" freedom is not free" support our troops !!!

-- Posted by themonsterinme on Fri, Dec 5, 2008, at 11:43 PM

i got the biggest deer ever in this county with a 2 foot twig and d ental floss

-- Posted by d sucka on Fri, Dec 5, 2008, at 8:16 PM

er's post was "brash and rude"? Well, rex, in this country we have a saying..."pot calling kettle black". Hello, pot.

-- Posted by born-n-raised on Fri, Dec 5, 2008, at 6:22 PM

FS, so I "doesn't" know what a spammer is, eh?

When you learn more about grammar, come back and we'll talk about spam.

-- Posted by Slater on Fri, Dec 5, 2008, at 4:35 PM

I recently pulled my telescope out and got a closer glimpse of Venus and Jupiter in the Southern sky. It really is amazing to see the two planets, so far away, so close to one another.

-- Posted by Green Eyes on Fri, Dec 5, 2008, at 4:17 PM

slater, you apparently doesn't know what "spam" is. Rex is more like an anti-spammer.

-- Posted by Eff Ess on Fri, Dec 5, 2008, at 4:14 PM

Rex is a spammer.

-- Posted by Slater on Fri, Dec 5, 2008, at 4:10 PM

I haven't, yomomma.

-- Posted by Green Eyes on Fri, Dec 5, 2008, at 2:55 PM

HAS ANYBODY HEARD OF BIG DEER KILLED THIS SEASON IN SALINE COUNTY?

-- Posted by yomomma on Fri, Dec 5, 2008, at 2:34 PM

Rex- I was really trying to understand where you were coming from with your opinions. After reading your last post, it came to me. You're a sarcastic person that loves seeing Americans disagree. You mentioned 'whatever it is you Americans buy', not including yourself- so I can assume that you're not American and, in turn, not part of OUR solution. With this, I don't value your opinion as I'm sure most others here don't. You may have 'studied' the American business model in some courses where you came from or at one of OUR universities, but you have no idea what the people in these posts are comparing Wal Mart to- since you're not from here. Successful communities have competition. Monopolies are not tolerated in America. There was a time, before nationally recognized Wal Mart, that we could walk to Mattingly's on the square. We could buy fresh products from Gibsons or IGA or Milgrams. The best part was we were buying from our friends and neighbors. Now, we have no competition, the town is bare, and our fish comes from China. You can call that success if you'd like, but you'll never understand our meaning of success because you've never seen or experienced it. I bet most families here would reevaluate whether paying 0.20 less was worth running every bit of competition out of town.

-- Posted by er on Fri, Dec 5, 2008, at 1:57 PM

Put out - I completely understand your frustration with trying to get some help with a carry out. Here's an idea that the base commissary uses and works very well. They have people who come in to work, not on the store payroll but they are approved by the store. Their job is to bag, carry-out, and load groceries into your vehicle. They work strictly on tips. I generally tip $5 and for a cartload of groceries to be wheeled out and set in my car - it's more than worth it. If I don't need help I simply decline their offer. Maybe someone could suggest that to local stores - especially during bad weather. It's a great way for high school age kids, unemployed, or retired people to earn extra $'s.

-- Posted by Air Force Wife on Fri, Dec 5, 2008, at 12:33 PM

In regards to this Wal*Mart debate:

As with most things in life, you get what you pay for. You can't expect to pay discount prices and get department store service. You're usually better off paying a few dollars more someplace else anyway...those everyday low prices come at a cost, and that cost is quality.

-- Posted by imaloony on Fri, Dec 5, 2008, at 11:32 AM

rex..

You really don't get it.

We're talking about small rural communities drying up not "megacorporations vying for my dollar".

The uprooting of families who chose to live in Marshall or a like commnuity.

Isn't the human element an important fabric of small town living? I always thought it was.

-- Posted by Hombre on Fri, Dec 5, 2008, at 11:31 AM

born-n-raised:

glad some people still understands the concept of christmas cheer and what helping others in need is all about :) HAPPY HOLIDAYS EVERYONE!

-- Posted by alikatt12 on Fri, Dec 5, 2008, at 8:53 AM

Wal-Mart could at least try to make an effort at customer service. I recently had surgery and could not lift. After 15 minutes of tring to get a store "associate" to lift 50# of animal food into my cart I wheeled to the checkout to pay. When no one could be bothered to show up when called for a carry out, I wheeled to the service desk and got a refund! I drove to another store where they were more than willing to assist me. Guess who will be getting my money in the future? I do not require donuts at 1 am.......

-- Posted by put out on Thu, Dec 4, 2008, at 8:00 PM

Hombre.can we expect sign number 151 to appear in your yard soon? maybe????????? PLEASE????? Our town could always use one less whiner who would rather complain than try to help.

-- Posted by GOCHIEFS on Thu, Dec 4, 2008, at 5:23 PM

At Community Bank you can get a stocking with a wish list on it and bring the stocking and gift back to the bank, usually the sheriff's dept. also accepts toys and stuff as well.

-- Posted by litlmissme on Thu, Dec 4, 2008, at 3:36 PM

alikatt12, thanks for reminding us about the Holiday Project. I, for one, appreciated your post. Somebody must have peed in Hombre's Cheerio's this morning. Bah Humbug.

-- Posted by born-n-raised on Thu, Dec 4, 2008, at 1:51 PM

rex..

When the competition is run out how many low "bargain basement" prices do you think you're going to see then..Talk about Communisim..

But you're still going to have those beautiful empty storefronts and over 150-and counting for sale signs in front of homes in this community and the hallowed sales tax dollars still leaving Saline county..

"Save money..live better".. Maybe.. but it won't be in Marshall.

-- Posted by Hombre on Thu, Dec 4, 2008, at 12:58 PM

alikatt12...

Maybe you should mind your own business..

Perhaps I've already contributed..As I have for years..and maybe more than you..(now doesn't that sound petty)..

So did your post.

Point being worry about your own conscience.

-- Posted by Hombre on Thu, Dec 4, 2008, at 12:50 PM

Does anyone know of any organizations that are helping misfortunate families with christmas. I didn't make it to fill out an application for the Hab Center because I was in hospital.Can someone help.

-- Posted by marshallmom67 on Thu, Dec 4, 2008, at 10:46 AM

I keep seeing comments about Wal-Mart being bad for business and how good capitalist business make money. I shop locally and at Wal-Mart. I went into Wal-Mart tonight (10:30 P.M.) to get something that I ran out of and need for tomorrow. Wal-Mart was the only place that I could go to at that hour to get it.

When it comes to shopping locally it's great to have an employee walk up to you and offer to assist you if you want them to. At Wal-mart you really have to hunt someone down if you need assistance. One day last week I started to ask a salesperson at Wal-Mart where something was. I raised my hand slightly signifying that I needed his attention. The guy just walked past me and kept on going. As far as local stores, they changed everything around at Orscheln's. It used to be difficult to find a sales assistant. Now, just finding someone who knows where thing were moved to is a trick.

As far as Wal-Mart being the big bad bear, that's debatable. Wal-Mart is the largest retail store in the world. Unfortunately Wal-Marts track record of human right leaves a great deal to be desired. The idea of keeping employees working hours under forty hours so they didn't have to pay or offer benefits came straight out of Bentonville, Ar.

As far as smart capitalist company's making a profit I don't believe anyone would start a business and not expect or require a profit to stay in business. That's a part of the capitalist system. Some companies are great in their business models and their ability to make a profit is evident. I think far to many American companies have taken the low road in their approach. Two companies stand out in the products they sell that everyone buys. One is Levi Strauss and the other Is Coca Cola. Levi Strauss closed it's home based manufacturing facility in San Francisco and moved all of that production facility to an island nation. Over five thousand people lost their jobs. People that had worked for the company for years. Now that the product is made oversees by four dollars a day employees one might think that they would or could be like Wal-Mart and sell their product for less. Yeh!

Like Wal-Mart and Levi's, Coca Cola is a multinational company. They buy raw ingredients from many companies and nation's. One of the products they bought was sugarcane from Guatemala. Guatemala had a better price because the product was harvested by slave labor. I think the official comment from Coca Cola was that the labor to harvest the crops were an internal problem of the country where they purchased the product from and that was out of their control.

They are many other glaring examples out there but that would take a book. Needless to say, I personally don't but Levi's or drink Coke products.

-- Posted by John Q. on Thu, Dec 4, 2008, at 12:20 AM

Perhaps you all should put your emotional energy towards helping other people... Say by donating old toys or canned food to needy families who don't have money to shop locally or at "big bad wal-mart" for simple things such as food and gifts for their children who will otherwise do without...something to think about.

-- Posted by alikatt12 on Wed, Dec 3, 2008, at 9:31 PM

Hey Rex..(Wal Mart)

Its not "hippy" mentality..whatever the hell that's supposed to mean.

Go ahead spend your money at Walmart..the only store in America you can get trampled to death at..

To have a "supercenter" in a town this size is at worst moronic..at best irresponsible on the part of government "leaders"..

-- Posted by Hombre on Wed, Dec 3, 2008, at 5:41 PM

Robert W. Downs JR

There are three places of employemt in Marshall that will accept your application as a felon, Conagra, Coreslab, and Cargill, provided you can pass a drug test.

-- Posted by litlmissme on Wed, Dec 3, 2008, at 4:16 PM

SalineFire: All fixed now, thank you!

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Wed, Dec 3, 2008, at 2:37 PM

I'd like to put the word out that the Saline County Holiday Project is seriously lacking in donations this year and due to the economy, many more families are in need this year than expected. Saline county's donations are down a lot from last year and there is much more need this year. Any donations of food (especially), toys for the children or money would be greatly appreciated. The Holiday project is Friday Dec. 5 from 8am to 4pm and donations will be taken until then. You can drop off donations at either the Saline County Health Department or the Lighthouse Shelter...come on Saline County, lets show our community that we care and help those who are in much more need than ourselves!

-- Posted by alikatt12 on Wed, Dec 3, 2008, at 2:13 PM

I am tired of trying to find a job and kept being told that people with felonies dont have anything to offer to society and that they should go back to prison, what they dont understand is that for every felon that they hire on they get a tax break for it and that employers should be hiring all the felons that they can, that would save them alot of money and probably put money back into thier pockets.

Robert W. Downs JR

Of both Kansas City, MO

And Marshall, MO

-- Posted by Robert Downs on Wed, Dec 3, 2008, at 2:02 PM

County on your headline Mr. Crump sir.

-- Posted by SalineFire on Wed, Dec 3, 2008, at 1:10 PM

Has anyone heard of big deer killed this year in Saline County?

-- Posted by yomomma on Wed, Dec 3, 2008, at 12:54 PM

People need to shop with the local merchants instead of these chain stores, all they do is hurt a community, when there are no more small stores, just watch the prices go up, the chain stores do not care, they are greedy, and will do everything they can to close stores so they can be the only place to shop.

-- Posted by saline on Tue, Dec 2, 2008, at 5:06 PM

Sorry - it was a "free expression" table.

The point is, it seems that only some truly have freedom of expression in our schools.

-- Posted by circuitrider on Tue, Dec 2, 2008, at 10:50 AM

I hate to hear Walmarts Fabric Department is closing. Just wanted to let people know that Cadwell's One Scoop or Two sells cross stitch thread. Just another example of a locally owned business trying to help people shop local!

-- Posted by lovingmarshall on Tue, Dec 2, 2008, at 10:45 AM

In the Slater School Board news story, there was mention of a school district that had set up a "free discussion" table and then were accused of doing so as a means to distributing Bibles.

We have high school students locally who go about casting "spells" on other students, and yet there's some perceived "bad" in handing out Bibles?

Stop the lunacy - please!

-- Posted by circuitrider on Tue, Dec 2, 2008, at 10:43 AM

"When the Music Plays".....yes, it is true about the fabric department. Everything is on sale now and as of Dec 29th they will no longer sell any of it, no fabric, no patterns, etc...it will just be a craft department.

-- Posted by prd123 on Tue, Dec 2, 2008, at 9:15 AM

Did I miss something? What's this about Wal-Mart's fabric section closing down? Is it a rumor, or is it actually going to happen, if so, when?

-- Posted by "When the Music Plays..." on Tue, Dec 2, 2008, at 8:37 AM

missy08: Nope, I've never gotten into quilting, although I've been sewing for a very long time. I can enthusiastically recommend Patches for sewing machine repairs and for their really outstanding stock of beautiful fabrics. My Singer is more than 30 years old and they've done a great job of keeping it in excellent running condition. Most of the sewing I do now is for my two grandchildren.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Tue, Dec 2, 2008, at 7:03 AM

I will have to walk away from this particular conversation -- immigrants and the English language -- with the consolation that the intolerance expressed comes from a small portion of the community. I will focus on the people who make me glad to live in Marshall.

-- Posted by hat full of sky on Tue, Dec 2, 2008, at 6:39 AM

See Marshall's Racing History...

www.sportsmansspeedwaymarshall.com

-- Posted by Sportsmans Speedway Marshall on Tue, Dec 2, 2008, at 2:21 AM

I have been reading with interest the concerns of many of you regarding the closing of Walmart's fabric department. This will certainly be a negative event for Marshall commerce. After all, at least at Walmart, we have been able to purchase fabric and supply's for school, 4-H, holiday and craft projects, even a spool of thread to alter or mend clothing. But remember, a negative does not have to remain a negative! This opens a door of opportunity for a talented person to become an independant small business owner. While fabric stores are sometimes not a huge successful money maker, a creative person can find the right combination such as fabric and crafts supplies, to make a nifty successful business and a labor of love for the craft. The best way to compete in Walmart's world is to not carry what they have, but something different. Of course you also have to know what quality your potential customers will demand. It can be done by the RIGHT person. Yes, most people do not sew lots of clothing anymore but what is wrong with a quilt shop? After all, quilt shops also carry threads and notions. I have ideas for a fabric shop, but I have a business! I have missed Dolly's Fabrics for years! So has Dolly!

As for Celebration Station, don't sell Ms. Medrano short! I'd bet that she will find a creative way to survive, especially if all of us shop local businesses. Just because Marshall has a super Walmart does not mean that we have to buy everything that we need from Walmart.

Mr. Walton has turned over in his grave many times because of the merchandising changes within his company. How many of us have called or written to Walmart to ask them to reconsider their decision? Or how about writing to Hobby Lobby or Ben Franklin Stores, etc asking for a store for Marshall?

Gloom and negative doom is not what we need, esprcially if someone decides to open a fabric,etc business. I know several people who currently work at Walmart who would be quite good at running a "fabric/quilt" business. Both quilt guilds are full of creative and talented candidates. Let's encourage them to consider becoming entreprenuers!

Shop local businesses for the holidays, even though there are few of them to choose from. After all, your business success might depend on these business owners to!

Good luck! to anyone who might feel brave enough to open a business. If you research your market, my bet is on you for your successful future! Our downtown square needs YOU!

-- Posted by farmer'sgranddaughter on Mon, Dec 1, 2008, at 11:02 PM

Kathy, Quilter's Harvest has a huge inventory (for a small store) but it is a quilt shop. Just cotton. Sedalia has D and T ? and then Val at Patches..... Are you a quilter? I know that you have been teased about covering the "quilt beat".

-- Posted by missy08 on Mon, Dec 1, 2008, at 6:25 PM

BD42,

YES my mother was offered that option because she had been here for along time and her age, but she was still going to have to take "the test" but it would of been orally. She passed away before we got a chance to do anything.And I did not say they changed their name at Ellis Iland. I meant it as after they got here they preceded to change their names for easier spelling,different from their other family members and ect.But still at least when they came here it was with the intention to be an american and live the american dream.To be free of persecution of all sorts and to have a better life.Just like my parents did!! My parents were little children{ages 8&4} when WW 2 started so you see why they came here.To escape what they grew up in and to give me a better life than what they had. My parents wouldn't talk much about what they saw but when they did you better listen because there was no repeating it. I just don't think the immigrants of today have the respect for Lady Liberty as the early immigrants did. Now days they want everything given to them and when one of our own needs help{and I have been there}we cannot get it.So you see it could go on and on.Thank you for letting me voice my opinion.

-- Posted by old&cranky on Mon, Dec 1, 2008, at 6:22 PM

No one cares what I think, but to me Wal*Mart is the nemesis of every small business owner in rural America. Wal*Mart represents the worst of capitalism, from top to bottom, and it's WAY beyond me how town administrators can be duped into thinking a Wal*Mart store is in the best interest of the community.

I'm in agreement that a solely-owned fabric shop woould be doomed to fail with the presence of the firmly-entrenched Walton enterprise, but since Wal*Mart is abandoning its offering, perhaps a shop COULD succeed, if established by a consortium dedicated to operating on a break-even basis, for example.

As KF mentioned, fabrics/notions sales by themselves wouldn't be enough to sustain a business, particularly if it needs to generate a reasonable profit, as in the case with a proprietorship, but, as the saying goes, there's more than one way to skin a moose. :)

-- Posted by Slater on Mon, Dec 1, 2008, at 4:46 PM

Thanks, missy08 - didn't know that! Are there any others about the distance (or maybe less??).

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Mon, Dec 1, 2008, at 3:48 PM

Higginsville has Quilter's Harvest.

-- Posted by missy08 on Mon, Dec 1, 2008, at 3:35 PM

oneofmany: I'm none too thrilled with the closing of the fabric center at Wal-Mart myself. When I moved here in 2006, plans to close that portion of the business were already underway. I was one of many who wrote the company then, asking them not to do it, but that effort was obviously fruitless. The nearest fabric store, to my knowledge, will be in Sedalia, or in LaMonte, 8 miles west of Sedalia.

While I recognize this is a business decision on the part of Wal-Mart management, no doubt borne out by low sales in that area of their store, I am very sorry this is happening, but not surprised. Many people still do sew, but the number who do has been in decline for years.

Maybe this closure will inspire someone to open up a fabric store in town again - we can always hope for that.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Mon, Dec 1, 2008, at 3:21 PM

At the risk of sounding repetitive (and I'll take that risk, compared to the risks others take of sounding like idiots), I am posting part of a previous note.

As someone who has studied a foreign language off and on for the past 20 years, I can tell you that it is possible to comprehend both written and verbal language and STILL not be able to speak it yourself. There is something so intimidating about making that leap -- speaking in a different language opens yourself up to the possibility of being ridiculed. I still struggle with it.

When viewing non-English speakers from your viewpoint, it seems like you're damned if you do (speaking a foreign language and taking the risk of sounding ignorant) and damned if you don't (because people assume you don't want to try).

-- Posted by hat full of sky on Mon, Dec 1, 2008, at 2:52 PM

As for immigrants pretending not to know English, a checker at a local store told me that if you happen to give one the wrong change for a 20 dollar bill, their English improves dramatically.

-- Posted by outsider on Mon, Dec 1, 2008, at 2:11 PM

Reference: Oneofmany..Walamrt no more fabrics

Yeah..its not important unless you try and make a living here. The folks at the celebration station might want to start thinking about a clearance sale because once WalMart starts selling the same thing its just a matter of time..Loyalty to the small business person goes out the window when it comes to a person's pocketbook..but heah that's what our government "leaders" wanted here in Marshall..

Of course it appears nobody had the brains to realize it also means closed store fronts which always look nice in a small town..people who lose their livelihoods having to sell their homes in a historically down market, etc, etc..

Remember this was all done of course to keep the hallowed "sales tax dollars" in town..And every month we get another report of sales tax collections being down. But it has created another place for people to meet and gossip..and God knows the town needs another one of those places.

-- Posted by Hombre on Mon, Dec 1, 2008, at 1:48 PM

Slater:

If you really want a humbling experience...take a look at the civics test that's out on the same website! I was a history major in college (a mere 10 years ago) and I still stumbled on some of them! :-)

-- Posted by koeller77 on Mon, Dec 1, 2008, at 1:33 PM

Is anyone else concerned about Wal-Mart doing away with their fabric section? I know we've all grown accustomed to Wal-Mart being our one-stop shopping store, but it seems when they come to town, they run out a lot of little Mom and Pop shops. I don't know how extensive this is. Will we have to drive to Sedalia to buy thread? Come to think of it, there used to be a fabric store there, and it folded after Wal-Mart opened. Supposedly, the fabric section is being replaced by a "celebration" center. Does that mean our Celebration Station will be in jeopardy next? Little old ladies cannot drive to Sedalia or Columbia for their fabric needs. I know lots of teachers and college students buy fabric there, as well. Eric, maybe this is something you could address. I overheard people discussing it this morning at Wal-Mart. I know it's not exactly big news, but it is a concern to some.

-- Posted by oneofmany on Mon, Dec 1, 2008, at 1:21 PM

Koeller77, thanks for the link. It'll serve to refresh my memory of those few class periods during Eighth Grade (I think) Civics class (some 50+ years ago) when we learned about the immigration rules. :)

-- Posted by Slater on Mon, Dec 1, 2008, at 12:39 PM

I have had a few dealings with immigrants at my place of employment. They pretend not to know any English,but they always seem to know the word "free". Let's wisen up folks snd quit giving our country away!

-- Posted by tommob on Mon, Dec 1, 2008, at 10:57 AM

Slater:

Actually, you do have to be able to pass a English test unless you meet certain exceptions: such as being over the age of 50 and having lived here 20 years already - but you still have to pass a civics test. I'm guessing that's why old&cranky's mother was offered that option.

You can check out the naturalization procedures here: http://www.uscis.gov/files/article/M-476...

It also states that 90% of the people applying fall into the category that does require a 5 year waiting period before becoming a US citizen.

-- Posted by koeller77 on Mon, Dec 1, 2008, at 9:43 AM

oldandcranky,

People didn't voluntarily change their names at Ellis Island. Names were changed for a variety of reasons -- primarily because the processors were either in too big of a hurry to spell it right (some family members coming in together ended up with the same name spelled two different ways) or they couldn't understand the thick accents of the immigrants.

-- Posted by hat full of sky on Mon, Dec 1, 2008, at 9:27 AM

I am glad to see there are a few of us that think alike.If you read back in the days when people came thru Ellis Island people were made to run up down the stairs to see if they were fit and healthy enough to enter the U.S.And alot of immigrants changed their last name to a easier spelling because they were in America. And proud to be here.How many immigrants from Italy,Germany,France and ect.fight for the U.S.Maybe some of you need to reread your history books. By the way when my Dad did his citizenship he had to know all about how the government worked and its history and then had to answer these questions on the witness stand.I still have the books he used for studying.He knew more about the constitution than we were ever taught in school. When I go to Germany I am expected to talk in german.My german is not very good and I do carry a german/english book with me.There is no reason why someone cannot learn english.My mother learned it by listening to people talk and reading.Same for my father.I am proud that my parents decided to make America their home.I wouldn't want to live anywhere else.If people want to live and work here then they need to learn OUR LANGUAGE & OUR way of life.That was the way I was raised and I will always think that way.One more thing--my mother worked at Tyson's several years ago and always got upset when spanish was being spoke,so one day she and a couple of other ladies that started to work there and they decided to speak in german one day.Well you can quess what happened.There were some mexicans near by and they got mad.My mom said that they gave her and her friends a mad & dirty look and then started to talk in spanish very rapidly.And we're suppose to let them speak their language and not get mad? I don't think so!!!!When I am in Wal-Mart and I here someone talking in spanish I always say to them"Speak English You Are In America."

-- Posted by old&cranky on Sun, Nov 30, 2008, at 7:20 PM

Clint, for the first time in recent memory, MU defeated all the teams it should have defeated during the season, except for this one, the most important one, as it's viewed around Columbia and Lawrence, so I suppose MU has lived up to its hallmark after all.

One thing is definite - you can't win many games without playing some defense every now and then, and that point brings us to the game next weekend...

-- Posted by Slater on Sun, Nov 30, 2008, at 11:01 AM

Mizzou defeated but not down:

http://mobushwhacker.wordpress.com/2008/...

-- Posted by mobushwhacker on Sat, Nov 29, 2008, at 11:42 PM

It will interesting to see how many of you feel the same when the major language in the world is not English but a different language. Have no doubt -- it's coming. And I hope that the people in control have more tolerance than many of you have expressed here.

-- Posted by hat full of sky on Sat, Nov 29, 2008, at 9:31 PM

I've reached a point in life where I pick and choose where and how I conduct my business. If I have a "Press 1 for English" at the bank or wade through a foreign language sign to shop, I simply refuse to comply. It's interesting to see the look on a store manager's face when i tell him that I will not shop there unless the foreign language signs are removed.

Nonny

-- Posted by Nonny on Sat, Nov 29, 2008, at 8:47 PM

old and cranky,

i totally agree with your statement. i really dont mind if they speak their own language around me, but if you want to converse with me you will have to do it in english. i cant speak spanish and really have no desire to. i think it is awsome that your parents took pride in being in america, and becoming an american citizen. thanks for sharing!!!

-- Posted by themonsterinme on Sat, Nov 29, 2008, at 5:38 PM

Old and Cranky,

You brought up a point that I've had in my head, about being required to read, write, and speak English before citizenship is conferred. I was thinking that it had been that way, but when I looked at the regulations the other day I didn't see any reference to that requirement and now from your remarks I concluded that it had been relaxed.

I think in the past a person had to wait five years before having the opportunity to be granted citizenship here, and I suppose the thinking was that those five yeears could be spent learning English and all the other things one would be required to know before taking the test.

I'd have to say it wasn't as easy to become a citizen 40 or 50 years ago as it must be now. People like your parents should be commended for their dedication to that task, and anyone who makes light of it doesn't understand just how difficult it had to be, but also how important it was.

-- Posted by Slater on Sat, Nov 29, 2008, at 4:13 PM

I don't read this all the time so I am a little behind on your topics of discussion. I am of German decent. Both my parents came from Germany here to live.When my father came here to the U.S. in 1957 he had to have a sponsor for him to live here. When he moved from Broken Arrow,OK to Lincoln,MO he had to find another sponsor to be responsible for him. In 1958 he sent for my mother and had to have a sponsor for her until she got her green card.In 1965 my father made his citizenship papers in Jefferson City in the State Surpreme Court UNDER oath and in english.Back then in order to get your citizenship you had to be able to READ & WRITE ENGLISH.NOBODY made any extra efforts to put things in german.You had to learn to read,write & speak ENGLISH!! I have the paperwork showing that they would not consider my mother for her for citizenship because her ENGLISH was not good enough at the time. Now days they can take the U.S.citizenship orally and in their native language.How do I know this? My mother was offered that option 11 years ago.My parents loved America.They always displayed a American flag--not a German flag.And always talked English in public.German was used at home. I for one am a big advocate of the immigrants to be made to speak and learn english. I find it VERY RUDE of them to use their native tongue like the do in the stores and play stupid when they need to talk english and say they cannot when they do. That is disrespectful of our country.I could go on and on but I think you get my drift.We need to take back control of our country and tell them if they can't speak english in a reasonable amount of time then they need to go back to the country of orgin where they came from.As my uncle would say"When you are in America you need to speak english and when in Germany you need to speak german."

-- Posted by old&cranky on Sat, Nov 29, 2008, at 3:45 PM

Regarding the national chain due to build at the old Pizza Hut site, I thought it had been reported (as that was the only acceptable site in town, per the company) that they had changed their minds and the contract fell through. The realtors involved will probably know more than anyone else, but it does seem to appear that on rumor of a big national company coming to town, the city jumped thru hoops to change zoning, get near-by residents upset, etc. all on the possibility of them building 'something' here.

As desperately as Marshall needs more services, employers, etc., it (the city) also has to be cognizant of the facts so as not to fall prey for every rumor and demand made upon them (for the city) to acquire these said businesses without some type of renumeration for time spent on zoning issues, etc. Puppet string government, lots of time and effort and nothing to show for it except rejection (& some embarassment?).

-- Posted by twosocksmom on Fri, Nov 28, 2008, at 5:12 PM

HAPPY THANKSGIVING, EVERYONE!!!!

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 10:15 PM

Slater,

No, I can see how my comment wasn't clear. Thanks for understanding.

-- Posted by hat full of sky on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 8:07 PM

Looking at the poll looks like we should do away with unions.... I have a big enough mouth to speak clearly to my employer with out representaion and I am a diligent employee, who cares about the product I produce and don't need a union rep. to take my money that I have earned. I am not a trouble maker, I show up on time, never miss work and have never been disiplined for anything at work.

-- Posted by litlmissme on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 4:32 PM

BD42, maybe I need to concentrate more on what I'm reading and not jump to conclusions. :)

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 4:22 PM

Slater,

No, the fear comment was not addressed to you. I started out by pointing to comments that are the opposite of what you and news across have stated. Sorry about the misunderstanding.

-- Posted by hat full of sky on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 3:58 PM

BD42, evidently you have me confused with another poster. Why should I, or anyone for that matter, fear the immigrant who hasn't learned English?

Besides, it isn't fear, but intolerance, that motivates people to speak harshly about immigrants.

As I stated earlier, it behooves the individual intending to take up permanent residence here to learn at least enough of the primary language in order to get along more easily. This holds true for any person moving to another country, regardless.

The federal government isn't about to mandate that all of us become fluent in other languages, hence the English as a Second Language (ESL) class, offered to grade schoolers of immigrants.

You take it from here. I'm not arguing for or against language acquisition. What I've stated is my personal preference. If I were moving to another country, I'd learn the language of that country. That's a simple and reasonable approach to the issue, in my estimation.

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 12:17 PM

I agree positivemal. My point was not to create conflict or misrepresent the facts, just that it was highly suspect that "alleged" wrongdoings occurred from one whom the board designated "highly trustworthy", and whose word was taken during the trial over several accredited character witnesses...

-- Posted by Guffaw on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 9:56 AM

Seems kind of funny we are worried about the feelings of "accused teachers" now and speaking about how "unfair" it is to say things you think or you have heard. I do not recall some of the community following these guidelings a few months back.

Maybe I am the only one that noticed....

-- Posted by positivemal on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 9:50 AM

Humm interesting guess we will be in suspense until it is all built!

-- Posted by para-chic on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 9:49 AM

An inside source told me that Walgreens is going to build where Taco Bell currently sits. Taco Bell is supposably building a new restaurant across the street, possibly in the old Aldi's/Walmart parking lot.

-- Posted by born-n-raised on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 8:03 AM

There are stores going up by Wal-Mart?

That's news!

-- Posted by momaster on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 6:50 AM

slater and news across,

Now the last few postings about English and immigrants are DEFINITELY what I'm used to hearing around this area.

"Our country, our language" pretty much sums it up.

WAKE UP! English speakers didn't own this country in the first place AND most of the people who settled this country didn't speak English. Why are you all so scared?

-- Posted by hat full of sky on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 6:49 AM

Does anybody know what stores are supposed to be going up by Walmart?

-- Posted by para-chic on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 2:10 AM

Smokin' Cheetah:

Two parents of the Dance Force girls informed me of this, and several teachers confirmed that she had been removed as Dance Force captain. I also am familiar with the person who took her place.

-- Posted by Guffaw on Tue, Nov 25, 2008, at 6:14 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
I talked to Scott Latham, Marshall athletic director; Craign Noah, district superintendent; Bryanne Payne; and, by email, Dawn Plummer. Here's what I learned:

Dawn believes Bryanne mishandled money provided by parents to purchase sweats for the team.

Scott and Dawn said all money has been refunded to any parent who requested it.

Scott said Bryanne resigned to spend more time with her son and that rumors to the contrary are unfair to her.

Bryanne said district officials and the board are aware of the money situation and it has been resolved.

Bryanne declined to comment further.

Craig Noah declined to comment at all.

I left a message for one other parent whose child is on the team and will try to contact others tomorrow if I can.

I want to know why the schools especially marshall high hasn't been closed or disinfected with all this stomache virus crap going on and everyone who was in the play had it and just passed it on to others. on the 20th of November 80 kids called in and on the 21st they had to send 20 kids home that should say something right there.

-- Posted by Grammie07 on Tue, Nov 25, 2008, at 5:00 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
I asked Superintendent Craig Noah about that. He said each situation is considered with a number of factors taken into account. The percentage of kids who are sick is one, how serious the illness is and whether a school closing would help the situation. For instance, closing for a day in the middle of the week wouldn't give custodial staff enough time to thoroughly clean and returning students would likely re-introduce the bug anyway. Closings, when they occur, tend to happen in smaller schools and tend to happen near a weekend or other school break, he said.

B-n-B, we'll line up behind you.

-- Posted by Slater on Tue, Nov 25, 2008, at 4:36 PM

Henry has helped to redefine my name.

-- Posted by broke-n-busted on Tue, Nov 25, 2008, at 3:43 PM

I can tell you for sure I'll be one happy camper when we've seen the last of Henry Paulson.

His actions bring to mind the song, Undecided.

-- Posted by Slater on Tue, Nov 25, 2008, at 1:03 PM

Just wondering if there would be a closed session? Sure don't hear much about the things that are going on with a certain elementary teacher......

-- Posted by positivemal on Tue, Nov 25, 2008, at 11:05 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Yes. The Marshall school board meets in executive session at almost every meeting. Same goes this month.

BillfromRaytown,

Conversely we are all too familiar with our current president. Was it a sad day in history when he was elected....twice?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Tue, Nov 25, 2008, at 10:54 AM

Parachic,

I would suggest that you expand your sources of information past Fox "News".

-- Posted by What the f...... on Tue, Nov 25, 2008, at 10:50 AM

What the f...,

I actually am not paranoid and in fact have been keeping my ears open to hear the latest new's about the gun ban. You are correct they are not after our weapon's yet...yet! They are going to raise gun/ammo sales tax to the point where nobody will be able to afford ammo. If you don't agree nor have heard what I am talking about I suggest you tune into Fox News more often.

-- Posted by para-chic on Tue, Nov 25, 2008, at 10:40 AM

My thoughts related to the first "black" president elect of the United States of America;

As a conservative (both fiscal and social) I cannot conjure any joy in the election of an ultra-liberal socialist to the office of president of this United States. Wow, what a racist statement! Wait, as we look at the statement race doesn't even remotely enter into it.

Fact is that that I would support, vote for, and joy in the election of any person that loves this county, believes in our constitution, is of good moral character, believes God has blessed our nation and kept it intact, and has conservative views closely aligned with my own.

Another fact is that multitudes of Americans in this election voted for a candidate purely and solely on the basis of race, whereas very few voted against a candidate based on race. What a tragedy that is for our nation, it tells us that racism is certainly alive and well in our county. Prior to the election I had conversations with a lot of people who are of African heritage; in almost every instance they espoused conservative views. Unfortunately they voted race when it came to the election, over nine out of ten blacks voted for a black candidate, you can't get much more racist than that! As a nation we should take no pride in what has occurred. It's a sad day in the history of our nation.

When a black candidate whose beliefs and values parallel with or are similar to mine runs for any political office I will, and in fact have supported that candidate. Race and gender are just not a part of my reasons for supporting or not supporting any candidate.

There are several conservative blacks and women who are very capable and ready to hold the office of president, but unfortunately they would be and have been trashed by the liberal main-stream media. Just the opposite of what the media did in this election relative to the black presidential candidate, but unfortunately not what they did with the woman who was a candidate for vice president.

Now the media admit that they really don't know much about the man who has been elected as our next president, that's because they didn't want to know. Fact is they knew a lot but wouldn't report it because they knew it would scare the American voters!

-- Posted by Billfromraytown on Tue, Nov 25, 2008, at 9:49 AM

Does anyone know what is on the agenda for the school board meeting this month?

-- Posted by positivemal on Tue, Nov 25, 2008, at 9:12 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
We published it in the paper Friday. I forgot to post it to the web. Sorry! It's available now.

http://www.marshallnews.com/story/148084...

Eric,

I disagree. I do think that Parachic is paranoid and wrong regarding thier statements about Obama taking thier guns. It was not a personal attack and I stand by what I said.

Response by Eric Crump/Editor:

Calling someone paranoid is a personal attack. You feel it's a justified attack, but it's still an attack, planting the seeds of conflict that (past conversations demonstrate) will likely elbow out the actual argument you intend to pursue.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Tue, Nov 25, 2008, at 8:38 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
I should amend the above a bit: Calling someone paranoid *looks to me* like a personal attack and I think it's likely to be taken that way. I think I would, anyway, if someone said that to me.

Amen WTF!! The NRA is incredibly smart and it continues to force false propaganda down people's throats. Really people. When did anyone EVER take your guns? People who believe that Democrats want to take their guns have been seriously and successfully manipulated by the NRA. WTF is right. It behooves the NRA to spout ridiculous propaganda. It is a business. People, your 2nd Ammendment rights are safe. NO ONE IS GOING TO TAKE YOUR GUNS!!!! Now lets focus on real issues, like the economy.

-- Posted by born-n-raised on Tue, Nov 25, 2008, at 8:00 AM

Parachic,

You are paranoid and wrong. Obama does support very strict gun laws but he is not coming to your house to take your guns. That's not going to happen,period.

Keep in mind that if the NRA doesn't constantly give you a boogeyman who is coming to take your guns then they become irrelevant.They need you scared and misinformed to keep membership and more importantly membership money.

The NRA is a business afterall. As far as assault weapons go, the federal govt' doesn't allow us to have hand grenades or land mines, either. Should people be allowed to have those as well under the 2nd ammendment? The ammendments are constantly "interpreted". My interpretation of the 2nd ammendment is that the "right to bear arms" was in regard to "a well regulated militia".

Which at the time was basically what constituted our "military". I think todays gun owners today enjoy far more latitude then the 2nd ammendment ever intended or could possibly imagine. How much is enough? How many do you need and how big do they have to be?

Relax, no one is coming to take your guns.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Tue, Nov 25, 2008, at 7:01 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Almost everything in this comment furthers an argument from a particular perspective on an important issue. However, the first sentence doesn't appear to contribute to the argument. It looks to me like it is more combative than persuasive. I predict Parachic will be tempted to respond in kind and very soon we'll have another fight obscuring the issue at hand.

I agree Para-Chic...Right on!

-- Posted by Sweet-pea on Mon, Nov 24, 2008, at 10:29 PM

Honestly if people from other countries feel they need to live in the USA, then they need to learn our language. For instance I walked into a McDonalds for a strawberry milkshake and a chicken sandwich. I ended up with a iced coffee and a Big Mac all because the cashier could not understand a simple order. Out immigration policy sucks and I understand there is no way to completly lock up our borders. We don't have the funds, dont have the manpower, and certainly border patrol doesnt get the necessary training hours to keep current with the new ways people are finding to make it into our country. I do have a issue with Obama trying to revamp the second ammendment and take our guns. How amazing when a latin king or MS13 gang member breaks into out homes and rapes, robs or kills... It happens every day mabey not from a latin gang but taking our guns is not a solution to violence. If anything I would wonder what the govt is going to do with immigration security issues, might end up being a homeland defense issue?

-- Posted by para-chic on Mon, Nov 24, 2008, at 10:11 PM

As far as people being unemployed in Saline county because of the immigrants is absolutely a misstatement. I was hired at the same time as 13 other people. I am the only caucation still employed, out of the latino persons there are 5 of the 6. The other caucations 2 quit in the first week, one the second and before we were there 6 months the other 3 had been termed because they didn't like showing up to work. Not only that but the majority of the latinos that I work with are very plesant and do not complain about working.In fact they appriciate it that they have jobs and work hard to prove it.

-- Posted by litlmissme on Mon, Nov 24, 2008, at 4:03 PM

I feel the hispanics should at least try to learn English. I work in an environment where I deal with them on a daily basis. They walk in the door and just EXPECT us to provide someone that can translate. This is the United States of America and we do speak English here.

-- Posted by tommob on Mon, Nov 24, 2008, at 4:02 PM

As someone who has been trying to learn Spanish, I agree with BD42. It is hard to learn another language, especially for older adults. Also, Spanish is a much easier language to learn than is English. I have noticed that some of the posts criticizing the immigrants are full of spelling and grammatical errors. Maybe you need to take a few English lessons yourselves.

-- Posted by Ridgeway on Mon, Nov 24, 2008, at 3:51 PM

Para, I AGREE! Please press 1 for english... NO please press one if you can't understand English! After they say this phrase they should go straight into the options in english instead of having to go through the pause and what number you hit. Our Country Our Language. I myself could care less where your from or what color you are. If you can communicate with me through the american language then i will be more than glad to talk to you. If you love your heritage like you should and want to talk to your kids or family in Wal-mart in your language thats fine with me. Just remember talking about people is disrespectful and you never know they could be acting dumb and understanding everything your saying as well!!

-- Posted by SalineFire on Mon, Nov 24, 2008, at 3:06 PM

I don't have a problem with folks who go through the complete process of coming to America. I do have a problem when I call a business and the first thing I hear is, please press 1 for english. Umm hello am I not in America? Illegals come to America and take the minimum paying jobs which is fine but there are many Americans that are jobless or declaired bankrupsy. If Obama has any kind of brian in his head he needs to find a way to filter who moves to this country and expand U.S.I.C.E. to where they have the freewill to remove any or all illegal's brought up in the police, courts, and corrections.

-- Posted by para-chic on Mon, Nov 24, 2008, at 2:30 PM

i work in the emergency services field in marshall, and encounter those who cant speak english, those who can , and those who can but choose not to. that is until you mention jail, or ticket or fine. all of a sudden they speak english, and some of them speak it fairly well. i to agree that immigrants should have a set amount of time to learn the language, if they want to become a citizen of this country, and it shouldnt be an option to have atleast the basic communicative skills in the country you reside in!

-- Posted by themonsterinme on Sun, Nov 23, 2008, at 8:21 PM

Slater,

I agree with you. I guess that the "squeaky wheel" rule goes here and most of what I hear is primarily from those who seem to view immigrants in a negative manner and make sweeping generalizations about all immigrants.

I'm glad to hear from those who have reasonable expectations and don't feel threatened by non-English speakers.

-- Posted by hat full of sky on Sun, Nov 23, 2008, at 2:42 PM

BD42, I agree that many people are intimidated by the thought of sounding ridiculous when speaking a foreign language, but I'm not sure the general attitude of the natives is one of derision. Of course there will always be those few people who would ridicule the "foreigner," but for the most part I believe the natives would applaud the effort to converse with them in their language. At least that was my experience when I was in Germany during my Army days.

The shoe is on the other foot, also, for immigrants to this country. Some will feel self-conscious about speaking English, but if you think about it, most English-speakers are very tolerant and attentive when conversing with those possessing limited skill.

It's been 45 years since I left Germany and returned to the U.S., but even that long ago English was being taught in the schools over most of Europe, and most of the young people were very proficient.

I've been told that learning the English language is difficult, as is the case with most languages when taking into account the nuances of specific words, slang, and other characteristics, so it takes a fair amount of dedication to develop any sort of proficiency, as you well know from your years of study.

I agree that anyone wanting to become a permanent resident in this country, or in any other country, should make the effort to at least learn enough of the predominant language to get along mostly unimpeded, but at the same time those individuals shouldn't be chastised for their lack of fluency. It just makes good sense to me.

-- Posted by Slater on Sun, Nov 23, 2008, at 10:32 AM

news across,

I enjoyed your post. Particularly the part about the anti-discrimination section. It's not that I don't have an expectation that immigrants will learn our language and culture. It's just that I get frustrated what what I view as discrimination. Many many times, I hear people complaining that the immigrants refuse to learn English. I think that's a big misconception. What person WOULDN'T want to be able to complete basic tasks when they move to a foreign country? I think the desire to be able to accomplish things like banking, mailing, shopping, etc., is evident in the largest majority of immigrants.

It seems to me that some of the people who make comments about immigrants not learning English haven't had much experience with learning a foreign language -- that the verbal is the hardest part! It's like they expect the immigrant to start speaking English the moment they step foot in America and never use their own language again.

That seems to be the fundamental difference between here and what you described in Australia. Our country has a history of "check your nationality in at the door" and many people think that's the only way to approach it. I like the idea that it's not an either/or situation.

-- Posted by hat full of sky on Sun, Nov 23, 2008, at 8:49 AM

Hey online viewers! Want something to do this afternoon that will also benefit others?

Habitat for Humanity is hosting its annual Nativity Festival at Covenant Presbyterian Church. There are over 200 nativity scenes from all over the world on display. There will also be some fine performers of seasonal music starting with the Marshall Community Choir at 1:30. If you have never attended this event its a little gem you should not miss.

-- Posted by momaster on Sun, Nov 23, 2008, at 8:33 AM

cosanostra...I think the drug store thing was much ado about nothing!

-- Posted by momaster on Sun, Nov 23, 2008, at 8:30 AM

ENGLISH REQUIRED? A PERSPECTIVE FROM DOWN UNDER

When this American first immigrated to Australia, my wife (who is Australian) and I went about the task of preparing for my eventual application for Australian citizenship. There is a test to make sure that the immigrant has a good basic understanding of Australian culture and its pretty easy. There is also a test required of immigrants 50 years of age or younger to test their basic proficiency in English. In order to become an Australian citizen it is necessary to pass both exams.

The English exam is not real difficult. Its pretty basic stuff and obviously, since I speak English as a first language, I wasn't too worried about it. However, for some immigrants to Australia it can be a difficult test, but since one has to wait 4 years before they can apply for Australian citizenship, most immigrants are ready for it by the time they apply for citizenship. The rational behind it is not to punish the immigrant but rather to ensure that the immigrant can function in an English speaking evironment. Its pretty much just plain common sense that if you move to another country, you should be able to demonstrate a basic ability to read and write in the common language. It is for their own good and most seem to understand the importance of the requirement here.

However, the Australians also have a very comprehensive anti-discrimination act that says that people have a right to their own culture as well. While they need to be able to speak English to better function in this society, they still have the right to speak their own language when it suits them to do so and when it is appropriate. This law guarantees their right to speak their language with out being subjected to discrimination because they speak that language. It also guarantees their right to dress in the clothing of their culture, to celebrate their own holidays, to practice the religion they choose to practice, and to live their life in a way that suits them provide they conform with the law of the land.

It seems pretty fair and it works out well here.

I see no reason why immigrants to American should not be required to show a basic understanding of English. Especially if they intend to remain in the USA permanently. However, they should also be able to communicate in their own language when it suits them to do so as long as the person they are speaking with can understand them. It seems to me it would be very difficult to function in any society if one isn't able to understand the basics of the common language, and in the end, it is to their advantage to do so.

-- Posted by news across on Sun, Nov 23, 2008, at 12:39 AM

notgvnasht,

Perhaps an alternative point of view would make it clearer to you.

As someone who has studied a foreign language off and on for the past 20 years, I can tell you that it is possible to comprehend both written and verbal language and STILL not be able to speak it yourself. There is something so intimidating about making that leap -- speaking in a different language opens yourself up to the possibility of being ridiculed. I still struggle with it.

When viewing non-English speakers from your viewpoint, it seems like you're damned if you do (speaking a foreign language and taking the risk of sounding ignorant) and damned if you don't (because people assume you don't want to try).

-- Posted by hat full of sky on Sat, Nov 22, 2008, at 5:34 PM

does anyone know if theres a donation set up for the family that lost their home in Napton Last night?

-- Posted by RedTruckRider on Sat, Nov 22, 2008, at 10:49 AM

Gal66 and notgvnasht,

A small flaw in your arguments: English is the dominant language in our country during this moment in time. English certainly wasn't the native language when our ancestors arrived and it may not be the native language in the future.

-- Posted by hat full of sky on Sat, Nov 22, 2008, at 9:36 AM

BD42 it's not that it's hard to do I bet you if you go to Mexico City to and ATM you don't have an option.

You asked?

"What gives you the impression that the people in question AREN't trying to learn the English language?"

Well because at my second job I have been waiting on the same customers for 3 years and they still do not even try.

Except for one you man that even asked if I would help him try to learn, on nights that he would see I was not busy he would stop by and we would talk about baseball even though he was a Yankee fan he picked un on english very well.

I asked him why his friends dont try to learn and he told me it's because they dont have to!

-- Posted by Gal66 on Fri, Nov 21, 2008, at 10:52 PM

news across we for sure do not agree often but you hit the nail right on the head well put.

-- Posted by Gal66 on Fri, Nov 21, 2008, at 10:41 PM

notgvnasht -- you don't have to learn another language at all. Why is it a problem to have an option? Is it a real struggle to push the phone button or the ATM button in order to choose between English or Spanish?

Our neighbors to the north have managed to have a dual language country quite nicely. Not all of them speak French.

I just don't understand what the big deal is.

-- Posted by hat full of sky on Fri, Nov 21, 2008, at 5:09 PM

Hey, this is not pertinent to the discussion, but I just wanted to put out a quick apology to Billfromraytown for certain "comments unbecoming" this morning.

That was weighing on we and I wanted to get it off my chest. Sorry, my bad.

-- Posted by "When the Music Plays..." on Fri, Nov 21, 2008, at 4:39 PM

A NOTE ON FREE SPEECH, NEWSPAPERS, AND EDITORS:

It should be noted that while all Americans have the right to speak and write freely, it does not mean that publications have an obligation to publish everything that is sent to them.

The editor of any publication is the Gate-keeper of that publication and as such has the right to publish or not publish anything the editor deems appropriate. This right is exclusively that of the editor and rightly so. Refusing to publish material that the editor deems as inappropriate for any reason is in fact part of the editor's job and his/her excercising that right is not the same as violating someone else's right to free speech.

If you want to publish your opinion and existing publications refuse to print it, then your only recourse is to publish it yourself in your own forum.

One last word regarding this publication. In my opinion, Mr Crump has does an outstanding job in his role as editor. He has been consistantly fair and in fact seems to do all he can to ensure that every opinon that is submitted for publication in this forum has an equal opportunity to be published. He does sometimes refuse to publish opinions that are in fact personal attacks and rightly so. That is his job and it is what he should do.

Please keep up the good work Mr. Crump and know that the vast majority of us are quite pleased with you and the Marshall Democrat.

-- Posted by news across on Fri, Nov 21, 2008, at 4:34 PM

I'm always amused when I hear a question like the one posted by Gal66. What gives you the impression that the people in question AREN't trying to learn the English language? Just because you hear them speaking their native language at times in no way indicates their level of interest in being able to communicate in English. In fact, it is a rare individual who moves to another country and doesn't make the attempt to learn the language of that country -- even if it's just enough to obtain the basic necessities.

-- Posted by hat full of sky on Fri, Nov 21, 2008, at 4:01 PM

No gal66 you aren't the only one. Both of my grandparents were immigrants to this country and one of the first things they did was sign up for English classes when they settled here. I don't think anyone expects immigrants to "speak like the natives" but I think it's fair to expect people to at least make an attempt to learn some conversational English.

-- Posted by momaster on Fri, Nov 21, 2008, at 2:32 PM

Valley lost not sure of the score

-- Posted by Gal66 on Fri, Nov 21, 2008, at 2:11 PM

Sorry to change the subject. What was the outcome of the Mo. Valley football game with Lindenwood last Saturday? Did I miss the article?

-- Posted by big3fan_62 on Fri, Nov 21, 2008, at 1:59 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
The story didn't get posted on the web (my fault). It's available now:

http://www.marshallnews.com/story/148015...

I know I am getting old and set in my ways but am I the only person that thinks people that move to the USA should learn to speak English?

A few years ago my daughter went to Germany for the summer and had a very hard time even trying to buy food at the market until she made an attempt to speak German then they gave her all the help in the world.

-- Posted by Gal66 on Fri, Nov 21, 2008, at 1:48 PM

What fire? I'm deep in work this a.m. Haven't heard.......

-- Posted by missy08 on Fri, Nov 21, 2008, at 10:43 AM

How Bad was the Fire in Marshall Last night?

-- Posted by RedTruckRider on Fri, Nov 21, 2008, at 10:00 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Fire officials weren't available to comment when we called this morning, but we've got a reporter working on it. More soon.

Ummmmm..... Nice weather we're having....

-- Posted by broke-n-busted on Fri, Nov 21, 2008, at 9:52 AM

True, I don't know what was deleted, but I do know Eric, and he's one of the fairest liberals I've ever met.

Yeah, it looks like that post where I referred to you, Billfromraytown, as being stupid was deleted. If I overstepped the bounds I'm not going to have a hissy fit over it.

I said what I wanted and took the reproductions like a man. Now somebody, PLEASE change the subject!

-- Posted by "When the Music Plays..." on Fri, Nov 21, 2008, at 9:15 AM

"When the Music Plays"; Now you can say that you have had a comment deleted! The one in which you referred to me as stupid has been deleted, even though I could handle it, I guess Eric found it objectionable.......

-- Posted by Billfromraytown on Fri, Nov 21, 2008, at 9:05 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Most conflicts in our conversations are about issues in which people have differing views. This seems to be an attempt to pick a fight just to pick a fight. Please stop.

"When the Music Plays"; you don't even know what was deleted, so how can you call me stupid for my comment? Just curious, why would you be offended by my comments to Eric? Sure lit your fuse, hope it's not a short one....

-- Posted by Billfromraytown on Fri, Nov 21, 2008, at 8:59 AM

What is your problem Bill? Seriously? You think because one of your posts was deleted it means the entire Democrat-News mission statement revolves around silencing you? Lots of posts are deleted for outrageous of heinous content, not just yours.

Man up and move on.

This should be the definition of free speech: "Anyone is allowed to say anything, anywhere, but don't think you're not going to get a kick in the butt for it." Even the left-wing liberal biased media gets that much; look at the way they slam conservatives for opening they're mouths.

-- Posted by "When the Music Plays..." on Fri, Nov 21, 2008, at 8:43 AM

You abuse the power to exclude entries that you deem disrespectful, threatening, obscene or in other ways objectionable if they lean to the right. But if they lean to the left you seldom find the comments objectionable, right Eric?

-- Posted by Billfromraytown on Fri, Nov 21, 2008, at 8:40 AM

....if allowed to voice them by the Democrat-News Blog Gestapo. Just curious is that you Kathy or Eric monitoring? "The power of the press in action"....right?

-- Posted by Billfromraytown on Fri, Nov 21, 2008, at 8:03 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Me.

As is probably evident, I meant to say 'heed', not 'head'. We'll chalk it up to early or maybe because I'm getting older. I guess to head your words might mean to think them through before voicing them.......

-- Posted by Billfromraytown on Fri, Nov 21, 2008, at 7:44 AM

What the F......you take yourself and your opinions WAY to seriously.Very funny Bill thanks for sharing it

-- Posted by GOCHIEFS on Fri, Nov 21, 2008, at 4:14 AM

Hey Bill from Raytown,

Here's another gem that you might enjoy and relate to.

"'tis better to be thought a fool and say nothing than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."

Once again it would appear as if you have chosen the latter.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Thu, Nov 20, 2008, at 8:17 PM

The election has past, except for a few

close races where Democrat votes are still

being manufactured (sorry, I meant "discovered").

I found this cute little poem which might

help heal some of the wounds and mend some

some of the damage caused by the long presidential

campaign, hope this helps everyone.

'No Hard Feelings...to the Democrats.

The election day is over,

The talking is done.

My party lost, your party won.

So let us be friends,

Let arguments pass.

I'll hug my elephant,

You kiss your a_ _.'

-- Posted by Billfromraytown on Thu, Nov 20, 2008, at 5:06 PM

I hope our cinema does not die. It's a good place to watch a movie, and the closest without driving to Sedalia. The prices aren't bad, the seats are nice, and snacks are good. I would recommend they get better movies sooner, but with only two theatres that isn't always easier.

Ok News Across, you hit my button. How can you love a country more than most people when you don't want to live here? I would just like to hear the exact specifications that qualifes you to love someplace more than me when you won't even live there.

Can someone with the argument explain something to me. And i'm actually asking, not making fun or anything. What privacy is being invaded by testing your urine? Honest question! I've heard everyone say it "invades privacy" but no one ever says what privacy. All they are testing is for drugs. They can't find out if gay or not, if you cheat on your taxes, if your having an affair. All the test says is yes or no are you on drugs. Unless there is something I don't know about which is why i'm honestly just asking for that reason behind the opinion.

-- Posted by oldschool17 on Thu, Nov 20, 2008, at 3:36 PM

Well needless to say News Across, I'm glad you live in Australia. I hope you took your citizenship with you.

I was not trying to base what I said as a feel for the whole country. Just stating my opinion on the matter just like you are stating yours. It's called a debate! I put forth my case and argument, and I like to point out you did nothing to retort what I said.

Maybe drugs are not a problem in Australia, I can say I've never been there so I don't know good or bad about it. If drugs are not a big problem than sure it's ok, but in the US drugs are a big problem. Now it's still free, no one forces you to take the test, you don't want it than don't get it. Now does that mean you won't get that job? Yes it does. But if you won't do a test that you'll pass to get the job, you must not really want it anyway so no loss.

-- Posted by oldschool17 on Thu, Nov 20, 2008, at 3:16 PM

Thank you, Honey.

I hope mife wife doesn't take that the wrong way.

What you've said here has a lot to do with what I was trying to get at in my article. The forum on my blog has kind of turned into a semantics argument over who's to blame for the theaters problems. But if you read the article I wrote, I'm trying to encourage people to support and participate with Marshall Cinema, so everyone can continue to enjoy what has the potential to be a rich cinematic environment.

-- Posted by ydnasllew on Thu, Nov 20, 2008, at 1:33 PM

Sorry to change the subject...

Although I am currently not a resident, I still call Marshall my home. The first thing that caught my eye yesterday while checking the on-line Democrat News was, "Is Marshall Cinema Dying?" This statement saddened me deeply. I proceeded to read the article written by Mr. Wells, and I do agree with some of his statements. One of them being, why would B & B in their right mind bring a new cinema to this town when the community refuses to support the one it has. So it isn't a brand new theatre with the best sound system, and no it doesn't have the most reasonable prices. But it is Marshall's theatre, and once it is gone, it will be gone forever. I guarantee there are hundreds of you in this community that have some type of history with the Marshall Cinema. Be it you were an employee, a long time customer, or maybe you had your first date there. The community should be proud to have a cinema with so much history and with such a dedicated staff. If it were not for the staff at the Marshall Cinema, Marshall would simply not have a theatre as an entertainment option. In order for Marshall to continue to grow and become a better community, you have to support each other and the local businesses. It is very easy to simply complain about something and be upset that things are not what you believe they should be. It takes a much stronger, more confident person to actually go out and do something about it. I urge everyone in this community to remember what this town used to be like. Members of the community used to have a sense of responsibility to this town. I have wonderful memories of growing up in Marshall, and those growing up today should be allowed to have those same memories.

-- Posted by Honey on Thu, Nov 20, 2008, at 12:20 PM

Looks like the local gasoline retailers are back to their gouging ways. Gas is 33 cents/gal cheaper within 30 miles of here and 25 cents cheaper most everywhere.

-- Posted by outsider on Thu, Nov 20, 2008, at 12:11 PM

While the back-and-forth over drug testing is interesting, the subject is another example of how our government/legal society goes about dealing obliquely with matters.

Instead of testing fluids to see what illegal substances can be identified, the test should be one of a psychological nature.

The question is not WHAT someone has ingested, but WHY, in my estimation. Answering the why of it can determine which types of work the individual is best suited to perform without being a general hazard (as was the case in the Amtrak wreck on the East Coast a few years back).

-- Posted by Slater on Thu, Nov 20, 2008, at 11:03 AM

Smokin' Cheetah,

Guilty until proven innocent. It's wrong, period.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Thu, Nov 20, 2008, at 8:47 AM

Slater,

That last post of yours was hillareous!!!

Those Republicans under Bush's watch really did a number on our Country didn't they?

I am beginning to wonder if we will ever truly recover, but at least now with President Elect Obama we might...just might...have a chance.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Nov 19, 2008, at 11:46 PM

I know many of you have been eagerly awaiting news about the G.W. Bush Library, so here's the word: :)

The George W. Bush Presidential Library is nearing completion. The Library will include:

The Hurricane Katrina Room, which is still under construction;

The Alberto Gonzales Room, where you won't be able to remember anything;

The Texas Air National Guard Room, where you don't have to show up;

The Walter Reed Hospital Room, where they don't let you in;

The Guantanamo Bay Room, where they don't let you out;

The Weapons of Mass Destruction Room, which no one has been able to find;

The National Debt Room which is huge and has no ceiling;

The 'Tax Cut' Room with entry only to the wealthy;

The 'Economy Room' which is in the toilet;

The Iraq War Room - after you complete your first tour, they make you go back for a second, third, fourth, and sometimes a fifth tour;

The Dick Cheney Room, in the famous undisclosed location, complete with shotgun gallery;

The Environmental Conservation Room, still empty;

The Supreme Court Gift Shop, where you can purchase a variety of items, even an election;

The Airport Men's Room, where you can meet some of your favorite Republican senators;

The 'Decider Room' complete with dart board, Magic 8-ball, Ouija board, dice, coins, and straws;

The museum will also have an electron microscope to help you locate the President's accomplishments.

-- Posted by Slater on Wed, Nov 19, 2008, at 10:55 PM

Smokin' Cheetah,

The ACLU has taken up the cause.

http://www.aclu.org/drugpolicy/testing/1...

There are also many other links and sources, maybe you should look in to it.

Also I disagree with this statement you made:

"Also, the word "extortion" is misplaced here. To extort is to take something (such a personal item...money...information) by threat of intimidation or force. Recipients of a drug test may receive an ultimatum, but not by force."

Wrong, the personal item they are taking is my urine, or hair sample under threat of losing my job. That is intimidation in it's most pure form and the force is passive agressive.

I think extortion is the exact descrption of what's going on.

As far as the Supreme Court goes that's kind of a joke these days as our current administration is openly violating no less than four of our constitutional ammendments. It is against the law, it's just that no one is doing anything about it. Feel free to roll over if you want but I refuse to rollover quitely.

I believe it is your point that is moot.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Nov 19, 2008, at 9:02 PM

What do the people of Marshall think about the water tower's appearance? Who decided what colors it would be? That big blob on top looks like a big bird dropping. Is that something to be proud of? I think not!!! Why doesn't the city of Marshall paint it after the Marshall Owls or the Missouri Valley Vikings or both? Wouldn't that be something to be proud of?

Randall Ford

-- Posted by BOBCAT on Wed, Nov 19, 2008, at 7:07 PM

Frankly, given the current and expected rate of job losses and the resulting, substantial decrease in consumption Nation-wide, most people probably will not have to worry one way or the other about bodily fluid searches by employers... because there won't be any jobs available.

By-the-way, I hear there are "Bushvilles" (formally known as "Hoovervilles," aka, tent cities) popping in quite a few places.

I certainly hope President Elect Obama will use Keynesian economic policy to reverse this trend. Its the only economic policy that has empirical evidence that it can bring an economy out of a depression.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Nov 19, 2008, at 6:17 PM

missy08,

Yes, as I pointed out earlier, in Australia we do bodyfluid searches for employees such as airline pilots, train drivers, bus drivers, and truck drivers and for obvious reasons directly related to public transportation safety. However, I am not aware of any other employer that conducts such searches. Because of Australia's history (it was founded by primarily Irish political prisoners sent here by the British begining in 1789 when they could no longer send them to the American Colonies), the people of Australia have a general distrust of authority and thus they are careful how they dispense authority. In addition, the Australians have extensive legislated protections of workers rights including the right to refuse any bodily fluid searches by an employer with out it affecting their eligibiity for employment with the exception of transportation related industries. An employer can ask...but chances are the prosepective employee would refuse.

Gal66,

Please don't be absurd. I have no intention of giving up my American citizenship nor can my citizenship be taken from me (see the 14th Ammendment of the Constitution and the United Nations Declaration of Human Rights for more on this). Frankly Gal, I love my Country (yes the United States of America) just as much as you do or perhaps even more. In fact, Gal, I love my Nation so much that I am willing to point out her errors when I believe she is wrong. In addition, I am offended that you think you have the right to question my patriotism -- you don't.

As to my continuing to live in Australia...yes gal, I plan to do just that. I also plan to obtain Australian citizenship in early 2010 which will them mean I will hold 2 citizenships...sometimes refered to as "dual citizenship." You may also want to note that I also maintain a residence in Missouri as well which means I still vote in every American election (I recently proudly cast my vote for a straight Democrat ticket). So with my vote, I am still able to positively affect my Nations policies as well as those policies of my home-State of Missouri. To put it simply, Gal, we Americans do not check our citizenship at the door when we move to another country.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Nov 19, 2008, at 3:07 PM

Smokin' Cheetah,

In my opinion it's a clear violation of the 4th ammendment to the constitution in that it is unreasonable because it suggests one is guilty until proven innocent. You said one gives "permission".

Technically speaking that would correct but the permission is given under threat of extortion.

Ammendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

It's the precedent this sets that is most frightening.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Nov 19, 2008, at 3:06 PM

Mr. Crump,

here are a couple

How do you think unions should be handled in the USA?

A) Done away with.

B) Keep them just as they are.

Or

Do you think unions are needed in the USA?

A) Yes

B) No

-- Posted by Gal66 on Wed, Nov 19, 2008, at 1:40 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Thanks Gal66. I'm on it...

How about companies firing a person for smoking or for being overweight? It has happened due to insurance rates.

-- Posted by Air Force Wife on Wed, Nov 19, 2008, at 12:32 PM

Gal 66

Background checks are entirely different than invading your body. If they ever develope the technology to read our thoughts, which is not out of the realm of possibililty, then we are really in trouble.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Nov 19, 2008, at 11:01 AM

Well, here's a question: If an employer screening his/her employees for drug use is an invasion of privacy, wouldn't that mean doing illegal drugs is a personal, private matter as opposed to a violation of the law? Since when did breaking the law become something people would stand up for the right to do?

Unless, of course, they were some of those less-than-enlighten human beings fighting for the legalization of drugs.

Here's how I see it, if you're involved in criminal activity, you should not have a RIGHT to hide it, it should be the RIGHT of everyone around you to expose that breaking of the law!

Maybe I'm just a radical, but I think breaking the law should have consequences, not a new set of rights to hide what you're doing.

-- Posted by "When the Music Plays..." on Wed, Nov 19, 2008, at 10:38 AM

Just another comment on drug screening - it is also to provide safety for co-workers especially in manufacturing or construction jobs. FAA also requires random testing. If you fly often, you should appreciate that.

-- Posted by Air Force Wife on Wed, Nov 19, 2008, at 8:58 AM

So WTF are background checks also a horrendous violation of privacy?

-- Posted by Gal66 on Wed, Nov 19, 2008, at 8:43 AM

Drug screening is a horrendous violation of privacy no matter how you slice it. Even worse is the prececent that it sets for future violations.

There is a foot hold. Where will it end?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Nov 19, 2008, at 6:52 AM

news across

If you really dislike the United States of America as much as you say why don't you

renounce you citizenship and be done with it?

Frankly news across I for one am glad you live in Australia.

-- Posted by Gal66 on Wed, Nov 19, 2008, at 6:40 AM

Yes I am broke-n-busted

-- Posted by Gal66 on Wed, Nov 19, 2008, at 6:09 AM

A quick search of "australia drug screen for employment" suggests that there are employers in Australia who are screening employees for drug use. It also seems that the preferred method of screening is saliva testing.

It is unfortunate that some people who are not honest and not willing to accept responsibility set the policies of employers.

-- Posted by missy08 on Wed, Nov 19, 2008, at 5:49 AM

oldschool,

I am offended by a corporation asking me to take a drug screen and I don't take drugs except those prescribed to me by doctor. Now you can tell other people you have met someone that is offended by a company searching their bodily fluids who does not use illicit drugs.

Frankly oldschool, your personal experiences don't qualify as a legitimate quantitative study of people's opinions of drug screening. It is not scientific, has a sample of 1 (which makes it a population and not a sample), and is in fact egocentric.

So please spare us your weak attempt to qualify your argument by your own empty opinion and personal experiences.

Frankly, its intrusive company policies like bodily fluid screening that make me so happy I live in a truly free Nation -- Australia -- where such a violation of one's privacy is regarded as absolutely unacceptable.

-- Posted by news across on Wed, Nov 19, 2008, at 4:11 AM

http://www.faculty.fairfield.edu/faculty...

Here are some pretty recent stats on the distribution of wealth.

-- Posted by missy08 on Tue, Nov 18, 2008, at 3:40 PM

News Across,

I'm not a huge poster but I have to admit your comments struck me as odd so I felt I would write. You talk about drug testing like it violates something? I've taken drug test for most of the jobs I've had in my life from food service to insurance. Never has anyone "accused" me of doing drugs. It's just standard hireing practices.

Now just an observation I've made, I've never (again just me) met anyone who felt offended by a drug test who wasn't on drugs. Is it an inconvience of time to go to the doctor, pee in the cup, and all that, yeah it takes a hour out of your day. But if your clean of drugs, than who cares?? I've heard 10 to 15 people in my life really critical of drug testing, and funny coincidence every one of them was fired for a drug violation! If your clean than what is it costing you but a hour of your time?

I don't want an addict teaching my kids, serving me food, handling my personal information, or driving me around so yes I want every person tested. If your clean, than what does it hurt, honestly!! And News Across, i'm not saying you aren't clean by anymeans, just trying to get the point across.

-- Posted by oldschool17 on Tue, Nov 18, 2008, at 3:27 PM

news across, I wish more people understood the welfare system; if they did, they would not automatically assume that all recipients were lazy, drug abusers. A single mother working a full-time, making minimum wage, would only make $260/week before taxes. If she has 1 child, she would pay $75 for daycare; 2 children would be $150. That leaves very little left for rent, food, and clothes. These people are not living a luxiourious life. They are just trying to make sure that their children's needs are met. Sadly, I read an article today that discussed the sharp increase in American children experiencing hunger. It is unimaginable and unacceptable that in the wealthiest nation in the world, a child would go to bed hungry. Of course, when 1% of the population controls 90% of the wealth, it is easy to see how this could happen. Things in this country must change. Until then, I will continue to donate generously to the local food pantry, and gladly pay taxes to help those less fortunate.

-- Posted by born-n-raised on Tue, Nov 18, 2008, at 3:22 PM

I never post but this home i have to, At one time unions were good and some still are but for the most part unions have ruined alot of good company's. Unions are the main reson we dont drill oil in this country you think the oil in texas dried up over night no you just cant make nay money when you have to pay every person 40-60 dollars an hour to drill it. Same with steel we produce very little steel in this country why cant afford to pay a union steel guy 30-40 dollars ahour to make it no i dont believe in shipping jobs overseas to pay a person 5 bucks ahour to do these jobs but the union are out of control. My dad worked for Safeway also his whole life except a 4 years in the army and when he died he made less money then when i was born after working for them for 30+ years he died and they woulndnt pay a 10,000 dollars life insurance policy so we could bury him.

-- Posted by smoe on Tue, Nov 18, 2008, at 3:17 PM

tommob,

The Internal Revenue Service reports that less than 1% of our taxes goes to welfare recipients (who are children by the way). You may want to note that welfare is designed specifically to assist families with children only. Folks without children do not qualify for welfare and the Parents of those that do qualify are the administrators of the funds not the intended recipients.

So you now want to start drug testing children?

One last note on this subject. Many Americans find drug testing intrusive and a violation of the long held view that a person is innocent until proven guilty and that the burdon of proof lies with the accuser not the accused. In addition, this idea of drug testing individuals for employment or to continue their employment is not something that most countries do. In fact, I am not aware of any other country that does so. In Australia where I live, for example, only people who are directly responsible for transportation on the public hiways or rail services are drug tested and for obvious reasons. In fact, the Australians often seem to find it most confusing that in the USA, which claims to be the freest Nation on earth, such restrictive policies seem to be the norm.

Just a thought...from a different perspective.

-- Posted by news across on Tue, Nov 18, 2008, at 2:39 PM

Gal66 - Are you speaking of the Shape Machine?

-- Posted by broke-n-busted on Tue, Nov 18, 2008, at 2:28 PM

Mr. Crump could you put a question up about how people feel about unions?

-- Posted by Gal66 on Tue, Nov 18, 2008, at 1:05 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Good idea. I'd be interested in suggestions for good questions, too. The first one I thought of -- "Do you like unions?" -- probably wouldn't work too well. Let me know what ideas you have. Thanks!

To add to what SalineFire said about Hayes Wheels they used to have 8 union plants with the Sedalia plant being the only one that was not union, the Sedalia plant out produced every one of the union plants.

Here is a little story the company I work for built a new machine for one of the union plants that was faster than the old machine it could do 4 times as many wheels a day you know what the union workers did slowed it down to the old pace now thats what a UNION will get you.

Hey now that I think about it a little I think SalineFire may well have helped build a few of the machines we built for Hayes :-)

-- Posted by Gal66 on Tue, Nov 18, 2008, at 1:03 PM

Hey notgivin' What kind of vehicle to you drive? Hope its not a Chevy, Dodge, or Ford. The reason i say this is most of those vehilces roll on wheels that are manufactured in Sedalia at Hayes Wheels. Hayes is non union and I'm sure no one over there would want to be considered non educated or not dedicated to the work they do. Considering they produce what car loads full of family ride on. I just had to add this for "when the music plays" I agree with you!!!!

-- Posted by SalineFire on Tue, Nov 18, 2008, at 12:19 PM

Anyone know what happened to the Childer's sister's from Malta Bend?

-- Posted by 17mizzou17 on Tue, Nov 18, 2008, at 11:45 AM

Yesterday I went to H&R Block for the loan program that is offered. I was so disappointd as were others and the employees. Out of 45 people only 6 were approved. The bank that offered to do this were denying everyone. I thought that this bailout that the government offered all these banks was to help. Alot of these people have done business with H&R Block for 15-20 years and have done the loan program for the last 2 years.

-- Posted by marshallmom67 on Tue, Nov 18, 2008, at 11:16 AM

Like a lot of folks in this state, I have a job.

> > I work, they pay me.

> > I pay my taxes and the government distributes

> > my taxes as it sees fit. In order to get that paycheck,

> > I am required to pass a random urine test with which

> > I have no

> > problem.

> >

> > What I do have a problem with is the distribution of my

> > taxes to people who don't have to pass a urine test.

> > Shouldn't one have to pass a urine test to get a

> > welfare

> > check because I have to pass one to earn it for them?

> >

> > Please understand, I have no problem with helping people

> > get back on their feet. I do, on the other hand,

> > have a problem with helping someone sitting on their butt,

> > doing drugs, while I work. . . .

> > Can you imagine how much

> > money the state would save if people had to pass a urine

> > test to get a public assistance check?

> > Pass this along if you agree or simply delete if you

> > don't.

> > Hope you all will pass it along, though . .

> > Something has to change in this country -- and soon

> >

> > Guess we could title that program, 'Urine or You're

> > Out'.

> >

> > Just a thought.

>

>

>

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-- Posted by tommob on Tue, Nov 18, 2008, at 11:15 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Please cite the source of material posted or at least note when it's not original. This appears to be one of those things that makes the rounds on the net. I found a number of sources, including:

http://anitasangle.newsvine.com/_news/20...

http://quipster.wordpress.com/2008/11/14...

When the Music Plays that was very well put thank you very much

-- Posted by Gal66 on Tue, Nov 18, 2008, at 9:21 AM

Normally I try to avoid getting into arguments with notgvnasht, but I just have to toss in a couple cents here.

This comment you made, "Every school, prison, bank, high rise office buildings, casino, banks, theme parks, football, baseball and all the other sports stadiums are built with high quality Union labor ... put a non-union worker in that situation with no education and no pride they will surely fail."

Sorry, notgvn, that's not true. My dad used to work for Septagon Construction out of Sedalia, even back when they were called ACI, and Septagon is non-Union. My dad may not have had four years of college, but to say he had no pride in what he did would be a great lie.

Furthermore, Septagon has done a lot of quality work right here in Marshall; in fact I've never seen an under-quality project by Septagon. Not once.

I'm not trying to discredit Union workers, I'm just standing up for the non-Union dudes and dudettes who just prefer to work without the chance of their buddies going on strike and them having to be the "scab." Because trust me, if my dad had joined a Union and that Union went on strike, nothing would have stopped him from getting his job done. To him, that was his pride, his work ethic. Getting the job done and doing it right, no matter the situation, that's the mark of a good worker, not a Union card.

It's not my place to comment on your husband, but your description is nearly identical to the one I would have given my dad, and none of it is stimulated by good benefits and the ability to stop working if you feel mistreated.

How about judging (yes, judging, Mrs. Judgmental) on the ability and work ethic of a worker and not whether he of she is in a union?

-- Posted by "When the Music Plays..." on Tue, Nov 18, 2008, at 9:09 AM

I was wondering the same on the two ladies that died if they were sisters: Cindy Childers and Carolyn Jones. It is sad I feel for the family I will be praying for them also.

-- Posted by Grammie07 on Mon, Nov 17, 2008, at 6:57 PM

Here's a suggestion,

If the automakers want a bailout, maybe the record profit making oil companies should do it.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Mon, Nov 17, 2008, at 6:23 PM

notgvnasht what would I have to be jealous over your skill set or your husbands I dont think so.

The fact that your husband makes more money and has better benifits?

#1 I have ALL the benifits your husband has.

#2 Are you sure he makes more money after all the travle time and expense? Hell I am not sure he makes more than I do without that.

Tell us what does your husban makes with benifits?

As for joining a union I dont need a union to talk for me I can do that myself.

I could go to the city and work a union job doing the same thing I am doing right now and make a lot more money but what I keep trying to tell you is that job is over paid and people like you and me are paying that thru our tax's because 90% or so of the union work is goverment contract work either city, state or fed.

Do you have any idea what a union tool & die makers pay is with 22 years on the job.

I worked a union job when I was 16 that was 32 years ago for 3 years made 12.00 hr as a stocker in the Safeway store right here in Marshall you know what Safeway went out of business here in town.

Sweetie if you think my opinion on unions makes me un-American you have no idea what being an American is all about!!!!!!

-- Posted by Gal66 on Mon, Nov 17, 2008, at 6:20 PM

I'm just wondering if anybody else noticed that Cindy Childers and Carolyn Jones in the obituary section were sisters? It's hard enough to lose one sibling or child, but two within a couple months? I would like to know more as to the reason they died. Was the family prepared? I will surely be praying for their family.

-- Posted by sapphireslipper on Mon, Nov 17, 2008, at 5:04 PM

It's easy enough to see why the automakers are asking for a big handout.

-- Posted by Slater on Mon, Nov 17, 2008, at 4:11 PM

notgvnasht...I have a friend who is a member of the UAW. He makes $54/hr and figures he gets about $21/hr more in benefits. His job?....he installs doors on glove compartments. I will now sleep better knowing that a highly trained and proud union worker is performing this delicate task.

Does anyone really wonder why we're gonna have to bail out the automakers?

-- Posted by outsider on Mon, Nov 17, 2008, at 3:29 PM

"What do they put in the water in Marshall to produce such outstanding athletes?" was the question asked of me this past Saturday at the Missouri State Swim Finals in St. Peters, Missouri. The lady who asked was a parent from a very well-known private, prep school in St. Louis. I was proudly wearing my Marshall Swimming shirt. She went on to explain that for years Marshall was thought to be a "tennis" town. Then, she attended the State Cross County Meet the previous weekend and saw how well our runners performed. After that, she thought Marshall was now a "running" town. After another outstanding performance, this time in the pool, she commented that Marshall is also a "swimming" town. Our small contingent of 4 swimmers finished 10th overall. Keep in mind that unlike nearly every other sport in Missouri, there are no classes for swimming. Everyone swims against everyone else, regardless of school size. Marshall was competing against schools much, much larger and not only competing, but winning. Hats off to Mason, Brock, Khris and Tyler for their fantastic performances (i.e. Mason had two second place individual finishes and our relay teams finished 6th in two different relay races). We may not know it, but our student/athletes are very well known in other parts of the State. Take a look at the larger schools we beat out in the overall team standings (i.e Hickman, Rock Bridge, Kirkwood, DeSmet, Lee's Summit, Parkview) just to name a few. Hats off to Coaches Heinzler and Pointer for doing such a great job. GO OWLS! I could not have been more proud of Marshall! Jay

-- Posted by James Barton on Mon, Nov 17, 2008, at 2:59 PM

notgvnasht wrote

"Tottlay ignorant of the fact that all large comercial buildings are done with union people. They are safe buildings and require highly skilled people. They are not overpaid in fact for how hard my husband works, rain or cold or shine he should be paid more. You pay for what you get when it comes to building. If you want cheap, unsafe buildings you enjoy gambling in or sleeping in so much you should go live in Mexico. My husband drives 2 hours one way to get to work, he busts his butt for 8-12 hours a day, he drives home another two hours. He shows up even if there is snow on the ground. He works sick, he works no matter what. For you gall66 to sit up and talk the way you do is really irritating. He is never late and never misses a day of work. You know nothing about the union worker."

I know a lot about union workers as I have 2 brothers that are retired union workers also my ex's uncle was the President of the Railroad workers union for over 10 years.

I told them and I will tell you again they are overpaid in my opinion.

Your husband not missing any work is because he has good work ethic and has a family to support I commend him for that, it's not becaues he is a union worker.

PS I have been at the same job for 23 years now I have missed 2 days both for my spouses surgery's.

notgvnasht you have your opinion of unions and union workers and you have the right to have them.

But I also have the right of an opinion and I really dont care if you think it is really irritating.

-- Posted by Gal66 on Mon, Nov 17, 2008, at 10:02 AM

Here's some sobering but interesting information regarding the public debt (which differs from the commonly-mentioned deficit).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Stat...

-- Posted by Slater on Sun, Nov 16, 2008, at 5:12 PM

Editor Crump, read up on John Maynard Keynes and you'll have a good idea of the current approach.

-- Posted by Slater on Sun, Nov 16, 2008, at 11:53 AM


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