To everyone that has a problem with loud bikes, cars, trucks or anything else do something about it. Get a license plate number and call the police and sign a complaint if not STHU!!!!

Our former Police Chief roars around town on his "Chips" style Harley with loud booming pipes.

I'm writing down his plates and turning him in next time.... perhaps, I'll even make a citizens arrest.

Wonder how far I could with that...........?

=-p

sounds like a bunch of babies , and most of the ones complaining would have a H.D. or other bike if they could , and as for safety everyone should always ride or drive on the defensive , just always a good idea !!!! because you never know what the other idot riding or driving is going to do !!!!

I do believe there is an ordinance already in Marshall: City ordinance #7103 ?

My opinion about the noise/nuisance ordinances…

I agree very annoying if the noise is coming from a car pipes, motorcycle pipes or very loud music. However it seems the key is to actually *do* something about it. Oh sure you can complain all you want…but it does no good. Get a license plate number and call the police and sign a complaint.

Oh but I bet you don't want to *do* that because it will draw attention to you…oh well. Either don't complain or *do* something about it, those are the two options. It is like complaining about a neighbors dog that yaps all night long…if you don't *do* something about it…don't complain.

Based on this news story: http://www.marshallnews.com/story/105274... it looks like Slater had a similar problem. Maybe if we can get the details of the ordinance in Marshall and other towns we can *do* something to make our lives less…loud.

Just because bikes are hard to see and dangerous doesn't give you the right to violate everyone's peace.

Bicycles are also hard to see, should we put giant air raid sirens on them so everyone can hear them coming? I'm sure most of the loud pipes save lives people would start complaining about that real quick.

I also agree that the loud radios are a nuisance too pulpit rider, so you are wrong about that one.

Riding a bike with loud pipes is not a God-given right like most of you think it is. It is a privilege just like having a driver's license is...

It's not our fault bikes can't be seen. Why should we have to suffer because you ride a small little object that is dangerous????

They don't call them "donor cycles" for nothing.

If you choose to ride a dangerous object then you choose that risk, you shouldn't be able to violate our privacy just because you ride a dangerous object.

Cheese and notgvnashta-

I agree with both of you. I can't stand the loud music or the loud pipes. I don't know how many times I sat in my house and watched the walls and window shake because of motorcycles and music, let alone try to have a conversation with the person sitting next to me. This is ridiculous. My household is a quiet household with a quiet car. A little consideration would be appreciated.

Adults dont drive cars with loud pipes. That is the kids. Adults do drive harleys with loud pipes. The idiot in my hood must be about 50. Not impressing anyone. They suck and should be outlawed. The pipes on the bikes are much louder.Maybe, adults who choose to ride bikes with loud pipes feel like a men when they rev it up and annoy everyone. HEY look at me i have a serious lack of manhood, but i make up for it with my reving loud harley. weeeee. Look at me i'm so cool cause im loud. IDIOTS. Plain and simple. Have another beer and rev it up till it explodes. Problem solved.

No they haven't found the two that took the cancer donation tin. From what I have heard, they have a suspicion of who one of the guy's is but nothing hard yet.

Does anyone know if they found out who the boys were that stole the cancer can from Break Time??

Arojr,

Loud pipes irritate lives!

Just because you ride a motorcycle doesn't give you the right to invade everyone's privacy with your obnoxious little bicycle.

If you don't like being seen, drive a car or get off your little bike.

Loud pipes on motorcycles saves lves.Do you always see a motorcyle or are you only seeing cars and trucks?Motorcylces are olot smaller in size and are easily over looked so QUIT BEING A CHEESE

litlmissme- I have gone to this train for years, and have never had that experience. The line is a mile long because people from all over Saline County, INCLUDING Marshall, come to see the train.

And just to let you know...I used to be the winner of every spelling contest in grade school. It was a simple mistake. Sorry again. i just want to know why the police have not reported on this

Just curious why does the Santa train skip Marshall? It stopped here for several years, now it only stops in Salter. I went to Slater once and the line was a mile long and people kept cutting in and were rude. I won't go back.

why is we have heard no more about the children who wrecked last sun morning???????

MoDem, I'm with you on this one.

I'm looking forward to the day (Nov. 5th) she takes her on-camera behavior and returns to the "beauty" contestant realm. Maybe Bert Parks will understand her jibberish.

"hisle011978"

Let me just pause for a moment and re-read my original post…because well I am not sure what you read…

*pauses*

Yeah, ok…ummmm…really?! Clearly you have a few wires crossed because you go off on a rant about something that does not come close to the comments that were made. People do get in a hurry and Ellsworth street is not immune to the issue. Everyday the twits that decided to rush around our streets put our children in danger.

I follow what the Benton School as set up as a 'policy' for picking up children from the school. I am not sure why you feel the need to yell, unless you are drawing attention to your own inability to decipher and understand the English language.

The yellow lines you speak of…are on the school side of the street. You are correct…this is a no "parking" area. However if you are paused to load or unload you are totally within the limits of the law…because I for one would think the any number of police officers would put a stop to it. Now, that being said, let me break this part down for ya because it was difficult for you the first time…a driver parks their car on the school side of the road (where the yellow lines are that you so kindly pointed out) and exit the vehicle. They then head to visit across the street and hang out with their friends/family…they are the ones breaking the law. ;)

If you have any wonderful suggestions for clearing up the clutter around the schools by all means…let's hear it. Did you pick up at that school last year? Now that was a mess. Maybe since you *think* you have all the answers maybe you need to go to the next school board meeting and making yourself out to be the Einstein you think you are.

Maybe we need to get the local law enforcement to handle the area to deal with the multiple vehicles that are causing the problems. Without the support of the police we can't send the message that our children are more important. As a driver you are required to pay attention to everything on the road include parked cars…you do that right??

mtownresident, if you actually spend time studying the subprime mortgage issue you'll discover that both political parties bought into the idea, and, therefore, they're both partly at fault, since you feel compelled to place blame.

I'd be interested to know how the mortgage fiasco has directly affected you. Were you a private investor in a subprime mortgage portfolio that bellied up?

You should keep in mind that just because an idea becomes a trial program intended to improve the quality of life for certain people, this doesn't give anybody the right to take advantage of the situation for their own gain.

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All i'm saying is watch for what you wish for. The liberals in this country love to give away free money and loosen requirements for the minority and lower class in this country and it will fail again. This people are there for a reason and will continue to burn the taxpayers.

Can anyone tell me about the new tree in the childrens part of the library? Who created it and when? Was there a story on this that I missed?

for "momandgramma" who responded on the topic of parking & pick up of children after school, you must of been the lady sitting in the middle of the intersection blocking the road for that white car that was trying to get thru! I disagree with you and what you had to say!People that drive down Ellsworth St CAN NOT be in a hurry because you would never get to where you were going if you were. That street is a mess! Driving a truck thru there mirrors could touch, it is so close, & NOT SAFE! And you said you pick your kids up there everyday, so you are one of the guilty ones who block the road that make it unsafe for everyone else to go thru! And as far as people parked across the street visiting the homes, what's wrong with that? They are parking where they are suppose to! There's no YELLOW LINES ON THAT SIDE OF THE ROAD! You on the other hand are parking illegally! Did you not learn when taking your drivers test that you are not to park where there are yellow lines on the side of the curb? So lets teach our kids that sometimes it's ok to break the rules & Sometimes it's not! All it would take is for one kid to go across the street, and any person driving down the road trying to concentrate on not hitting a parked car to hit a child. But I guess you've got it all figured out, so you keep blocking the intersection, & whom ever it was driving the big white car will continue to drive on the oppisite side of the road! Better than hitting the car that caused all the comotion anyhow!

guess he walks AGAIN! meanwhile our children are getting dope and ruining their lives

slater - agreed, but then I heard this morning that 'oh, well, healthcare reform is OFF the table - no money' but the Pentagon got a $613 BILLION package of 'no money', corporate america pays an EFFECTIVE tax rate of less than 15% (not the 35% that is 'on the books' and that the GOP loves to cite in spite of all the EVIDENCE to the contrary), and we are still subsidizing stupid 'golden fleece' projects all over the place. But to educate and provide healthcare for our common citizens - we don't 'have the money'...

And what ever happened to any pretense of honesty? The GOP/McCain people have stated PUBLICLY that they are going to sling trainloads of mud "WHETHER IT'S TRUE OR NOT" because if they talk about THE ECONOMY, 'they lose'. WHAT THE ....??!!!**!?? They're worried about losing their own golden parachutes - the people of this country apparently don't matter much... 'Country First' my gluteous maXimus...

NanaDot, I've been mostly following along with events by tuning in the Charlie Rose program on PBS. He's had a bunch of analysis expressed by people representing a variety of fields, and it sounds as if the bill is the one proposed by the administration, with some "extenders" added on.

I'm hoping the intent is to drastically amend/revise it, but only time will tell. The lawmakers couldn't give it much attention since they were ready to recess. God forbid that they have to cut short their off-time money-making ventures to do something for the country!

TEXAS SUBPRIME MORTGAGES

According to an article posted to the Web site of a local television station here in San Antonio, some 30,000 subprime mortgages in Texas will be the subject of a revision plan specified by Bank of America, which bought Countrywide Mortgage, one of the nation's leading crooks in the mortgage lending business.

The link to the article, if you're interested:

http://www.ksat.com/news/17636822/detail...

Kathy, A known drug dealer got arrested last night.

oh never mind...... just a little weed.... he will walk as ususal. damn shame

NanaDot, I'd say the genesis was the overreaction to the '29 crash, the main of which is seen in the form of the '33 Glass-Steagall Act establishing the FDIC and stringent restrictions on banking practices.

The Clinton administration (in 1999) persuaded Fannie Mae to loosen the requirements for home mortgage qualification in the form of a pilot program, and later that year the program was rolled into the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act which rescinded many of the restrictions specified in the Glass-Steagall Act, and this got things off and running.

You're right when you quote the article as saying there are many factors contributing to the collapse. A calamity of this nature can't be attributed to a single factor.

There does seem to be a consensus that deregulating the financial industry, not ensuring strict oversight, and mismanagement by senior financial officials are three important variables.

The economic situation is an extreme example of how the government always ends up in a reactionary mode. I can't think of a single instance where the feds have acted in a preventive way to avoid some kind of serious consequence, and that, coupled with a bandaid remedy, is what generally results.

Found this on FactCheck.org - pretty short synopsis on the financial crisis...

"The Real Deal

So who is to blame? There's plenty of blame to go around, and it doesn't fasten only on one party or even mainly on what Washington did or didn't do. As The Economist magazine noted recently, the problem is one of "layered irresponsibility ... with hard-working homeowners and billionaire villains each playing a role." Here's a partial list of those alleged to be at fault:

* The Federal Reserve, which slashed interest rates after the dot-com bubble burst, making credit cheap.

* Home buyers, who took advantage of easy credit to bid up the prices of homes excessively.

* Congress, which continues to support a mortgage tax deduction that gives consumers a tax incentive to buy more expensive houses.

* Real estate agents, most of whom work for the sellers rather than the buyers and who earned higher commissions from selling more expensive homes.

* The Clinton administration, which pushed for less stringent credit and downpayment requirements for working- and middle-class families.

* Mortgage brokers, who offered less-credit-worthy home buyers subprime, adjustable rate loans with low initial payments, but exploding interest rates.

* Former Federal Reserve chairman Alan Greenspan, who in 2004, near the peak of the housing bubble, encouraged Americans to take out adjustable rate mortgages.

* Wall Street firms, who paid too little attention to the quality of the risky loans that they bundled into Mortgage Backed Securities (MBS), and issued bonds using those securities as collateral.

* The Bush administration, which failed to provide needed government oversight of the increasingly dicey mortgage-backed securities market.

* An obscure accounting rule called mark-to-market, which can have the paradoxical result of making assets be worth less on paper than they are in reality during times of panic.

* Collective delusion, or a belief on the part of all parties that home prices would keep rising forever, no matter how high or how fast they had already gone up.

The U.S. economy is enormously complicated. Screwing it up takes a great deal of cooperation. Claiming that a single piece of legislation was responsible for (or could have averted) the crisis is just political grandstanding."

Black Snake Rat you are correct - there should be something about Noble Johnson and his connection to our community. What the project needs is a champion. Someone that will do more than just say somebody should do this. It has to be somebody that says I'm going to do this. And then before long that person will attract some helpers and it becomes we are doing this. This person will find there are lots of people that will help, even more that will contribute and a few out on the fringes that spew negativity and hate no matter how hard you work. If you have it in you go for it! I would support you and I would be willing to bet that there are others on here that will too. I remember a few weeks back Kathy wondered why there was no farmer's market in Marshall. It was because there was no champion - no leader. To her credit Kathy took the lead and put together a farmer's market and the first event was a great success. And guess what? If she doesn't continue to take the lead or find someone to take the lead in her absence the farmer's market is doomed. So be aware that these little community projects are not something you can wash your hands of. They become a part of you.

Thanks for the nice comments about Noble Johnson. As important as elections and the current fiscal mess are, there is more to life than politics. In this heated political season, I just felt the need for a little relaxing diversion.

It would seem that somewhere in the community, there should be a plaque or panel that has the biography of Johnson. Perhaps the Saline County Historical Society museum or something in Jim the Wonder Dog Park? A program at the Library, that maybe shows one or two of his films? It doesn't have to be big and grandiose to start.

Certainly, some of Johnson's characters would be considered stereotypes today - but we have to consider the times in which he lived and how he used those parts to breakthrough some of the racial barriers and prejudices faced by blacks in the film industry. Like I said, he was a pioneer in that field and should be remembered for that.

sing it for kkfates

Welcome baaack,

Your dreams were your ticket out.

Welcome baaack,

To that same old place that you laughed about.

Well the names have all changed since you hung around,

But those dreams have remained and they're turned around.

Who'd have thought they'd lead ya (Who'd have thought they'd lead ya)

Here where we need ya (Here where we need ya)

Yeah we tease him a lot cause we've hot him on the spot, welcome baaack,

Welcome back, welcome back, welcome baaack.

The article on J. Klinge is just ridiculous. From what I hear she boasted openly that she was going to get someone fired (like she had others fired) and hire a relative in his place. Her "stepping down" is not because she wants to, but from what I hear, because she was in trouble with the Missouri School Boards Association for acting in an unethical manner as a board member. She has finally been called on the carpet for what she has been so good at for years...bullying others to get her own way. Klinge appeared to operate under the "good ole' boy" system and tried to make sure her friends and relatives within the distict were taken care of. Maybe she finally was covered in the "dirt" she stirred up on everyone else. I think this is the best news the Marshall School District has had in a long time.

mtownresident, if you actually spend time studying the subprime mortgage issue you'll discover that both political parties bought into the idea, and, therefore, they're both partly at fault, since you feel compelled to place blame.

I'd be interested to know how the mortgage fiasco has directly affected you. Were you a private investor in a subprime mortgage portfolio that bellied up?

You should keep in mind that just because an idea becomes a trial program intended to improve the quality of life for certain people, this doesn't give anybody the right to take advantage of the situation for their own gain.

There's plenty of partisan blame to go around regarding the sub prime mess. The republicans however, have given us the partiot act, suspension of habeus corpus,torture,treason,war crimes,war profiteering and politicizing of the justice department. I could name more but I'm out of breath. Is that the America we want? Is that the America whom many a brave soul have fought and died for? Is this the American legacy we want to leave for our children? I certainly hope not. We have been driven down a very dangerous road for the past 8 years and we have to change course, right now.

Any one looking for something to do this week end, stop by the high school soccer feild for a two day soccer tournament all proceeds benefit the United way. There will be great food and a raffle. It is Saturday and Sunday and does't cost much. First game both days start at 9.

Better than I might have done in A Penny in the Well, Black Rat Snake. I discovered Noble Johnson's origins a couple of years back when the new King Kong hit screens and the original was released on special edition DVD. I haven't gotten around to starting a campaign to honor the former Marshallite, maybe now is the time!

What happen or where has jjgates been?

Did you know that Marshall was the birthplace of a pioneering African-American actor and film producer? I was watching the original King Kong movie and in a fit of trivia, researched some of the actors and learned the following:

Noble Johnson was born on April 18, 1881, in Marshall. His family moved to Colorado Springs, Colorado, when he was still young. He met Lon Chaney at school and they became lifelong friends, although they never appeared in a film together.

Johnson, as an adult, was built like a bull. Standing 6'2" at 215 pounds, his physique and handsome features put him in demand as a character actor. In the silent era he played characters of different races in a multitude of films, primarily serials, westerns and adventure movies. While Johnson was cast as blacks in many films, he also played Native American and Latino parts and Arabians or even a devil in hell in Dante's Inferno (1924). The old black and white film stock was less discriminating about a person's color, especially with a little makeup.

In 1916 he founded his own studio to produce what would be called "race films", movies made for the African-American audience but ignored by mainstream Hollywood. The Lincoln Motion Picture Co., which was in existence until 1921, was an all-black company and produced the first movies to portray African-Americans as real people instead of as racist caricatures. Johnson, served as president of the company and was its star actor. He appeared on other companies' productions such as 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea (1916), and used the money he earned to invest in Lincoln.

Lincoln's first picture was The Realization of a Negro's Ambition (1916). He reluctantly resigned as president in 1920, as he no longer could continue maintaining a demanding career in Hollywood films while trying to run a studio.

In the 1920s Johnson appeared in such top-notch films as The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse (1921) with Rudolph Valentino, Cecil B. DeMille's original The Ten Commandments (1923) and The Thief of Baghdad (1924). He made the transition to sound, appearing in the 1930 version of Moby Dick (1930) as Qeequoq to John Barrymore's Captain Ahab. He played the Nubian in the classic version of The Mummy (1932)He was also the tribal leader of Skull Island in the classic King Kong (1933) and its sequel, The Son of Kong (1933) and appeared in Frank Capra's classic Lost Horizon (1937). He appeared with Bob Hope and Bing Crosby in Road to Zanzibar (1941) and the Jungle Book (1942). One of his last films was John Ford's western She Wore a Yellow Ribbon (1949) in which he played Chief Red Shirt. He retired from the movie industry in 1950.

Johnson died on January 9, 1978, in Yucaipa (San Bernardino), California, at age 96. He is buried in the Garden of Peace at Eternal Valley Memorial Park in Newhall, California.

Slater has rightly honored and recognized its native son Steve McQueen. Perhaps its time for Marshall to resurrect and honor the memory of Noble Johnson?

Hi Kathy and NanaDot!!

Sorta been taken time to reorganize the golf balls, pebbles, and sand in the jar--filtering out the fluff and junk, ya know? I'm hoping the coming fall will bring some slow-down and make some time to get together with my JavaJunkie brethren:)

Say, Kathy, did you ever make it to that SW corner of the Square....? It's an especially warming visual when the fall leaves are whippin' in eddies around that corner:)

And NanaDot, I think about you everyday... (Hehe, that'll give the bloggin' conspirators somethin' to wonder 'bout!! LOL)

Cheetah - was thinking about you today - glad to see you!!!

Welcome back, Cheetah...glad to 'see' you!

Whatever happened to JJ Gates? I'm familiar with some of these usernames. Some even paying homage to his greatness with names like DA Gates and Mrs JJ Gates. But where is the real JJ Gates? new screen name? maybe he finally got a job or a life. either way, this site site appears to have made turn for the worst without him.

Slater - I read that - have no idea what I just read. No wonder the law can be interpreted so many different ways to suit one's needs. Bottom line is, we're doomed.

Doctor Bulldog is an idiot (and probably a blood relative to Bill O'Reilly).

News that is missing, that was mentioned in "Speak Out":

1 - Foot chase with guns drawn through residential area.

2 - Assault resulting in a victim being sent to Columbia Hospital.

3 - Another assault, no transport. (this is the one someone metioned that their name might keep it out of the paper)

4 - Hear say...bus strikes pedestrian?!

5 - 5 kids joy riding

What conspiracy? No conspiracy, just human nature. lilmissme, there are other statistics from other sources than law enforcement that show that blacks are convicted, proportionately, 4 - 5 times more often than whites. If you look at absolute numbers, this doesn't appear as blacks only constitute 13% of the total population, so whites (84%) always have larger absolute numbers...

FYI for some of you folk's who don't have a clue, Marshall Police Dept is required to do a racial profiling after every car stop or pedestrian check. There is absolutly no bias at the department, I have know those folk's for a while and never have I ever heard anything un-true or unplesant. Every police department has their flaw's prime example Slater PD. As to bringing religion into politics, there will never be a happy ending. God, Buddha, or who ever you believe in did not influence those boy's into beating the Shepard's unconscious and burning the bodies. Yeah I don't remember reading that in the bible or hearing about the same conflict's in the Middle East. It's the truth folk's, believe it or not, you yourself make's good or bad decision's and that's the way ball bounces.

It's only natural for the police to show interest in people who act suspiciously.

If you don't want to be hassled, don't break laws and don't act like you have.

DAgates - considering that the general population in Missouri is 84% white, I would EXPECT, statistically, only 169 arrests of blacks... as you state it, nearly 25% of all arrests are of black/persons of color, which is disproportionately high... the other question, of course, is how many of which are actually convicted, and I believe that you will see a reverse proportion - which does indicate that profiling is occurring.. just a little statistical analysis...

http://www.mshp.dps.missouri.gov/MSHPWeb...

cut and paste and that will bring up 2007 UCR crime reporting for 2007 shows that there is for sure some racial profiling going on...against whites that is (2nd page at bottom totals 1048 whites arrested and only 248 blacks arrested) Please refrain from opening your pie hole if you can't back your jibber jabber with facts.

As reported in a major newspaper regarding the Senate's passage of their bailout bill:

There are dozens of other highly targeted provisions helping makers of wooden practice arrows used by children, film and television productions, motorsports racetrack property and the wool trust fund.

Now, aren't we proud that they will be bailed out??

I can clearly see where MPD rank's within the citizen's of Marshall. I wonder to how many of the blogger's who are complaining about the police actually took time out of their non-important lives and went to the trial. Although I will say that there were kindergarden mistakes on the Detective's part but they also busted their hump's to put a murderer behind bars. All I can say is what great role model's people are for the future generation of young folks. Be proud of yourselves for letting a criminal walk the line, mabey next time it will be your house.

Digging in even deeper in non metropolitan areas 425 whites were arrested vs 164 black for murder in 2007. I love numbers!

Obviously a jury found this man innocent.

Busymom31 said:

"But when God freed this man"

Really? Where was this "god" when the Shepard's were murdered? It seems to me like a loving and all powerful god wouldn't waste time to free a man accused of murder but would instead see that the murder never happened.

"But when God freed this man"

Give me a break.

For *national* crime statistics for 2007, some of which are reported by race, go here:

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2007/index.ht...

I am looking for specific statistics for Saline County, but have not yet found any. If I find them, I will post links to them.

Show me statistics how many people are convicted of crimes in Saline county and what color are they? Bring on the statistics! Numbers don't lie!

Bury the race card the guy is in the clear be happy he is free and stop bashing everyone who had anything to do with the case. What more do you want? The trial is over.

I have very mixed emotions about all of this. After reading a lot that has been left, the kid has been found guilty by the public because of his family and upbringing. Why is everyone so suprised the cops messed up too? Have you seen our PD?

Did a guilty man walk, I guess only God knows the answer. For the sake of the community, I hope all is right. For the sake of the accused, I hope he realizes the need to move somewhere for a fresh start. There is no way in my mind that he is ever viewed as anything other then a killer in this town ever again. Is it right, no, but it is reality.

I have to give all of this a hand, if it wasn't for Sherlock Harlow these kid's would have never been a thought in anybody's mind. Surely the Detective's of Marshall Police Department would have known to secure the crime scene and take a few days to process the house. Sure it doesn't look as easy as it does on TV but were talking two middle aged people burned up in their bedroom, come on they wern't having a BBQ, so heck yes it's suspicious. As for our Clay County participant's, can you even find your own six o'clock without using a map. Guess we found out the answer to that question at about 4PM this afternoon.

Not guilty, way to persevere young man.

Interesting item regarding Fannie Mae.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usvG-s_Ss...

Friday night.

I have a real good guess on the fight. His Dad probably paid someone to not say anything. This Man (and I use the term loosely) has NEVER taken responsibiltiy for his actions. Maybe this time someone will press charges and stick to it!!!!

Slater,

My parenting is not in question here, nor am I pointing fingers at anyone in particular. the state of our youth as a whole is sad at times. Sports is nothing in the grand scheme of things. I only responded in defense of a coach who had been getting heavily criticized by the community. I agree whole heartedly that the parents are and should be held fully accountable. I don't need a coach/teacher to raise my child, but I do need them to hold them accountable when needed, and with my blessing. If my child messes up, sit him, if they don't make the grade or act up in school, tell me the truth.

The problem lies in parents that refuse to work with their child to make them more accountable for their actions, and are too afraid not to be involved on the sidelines at practices because they think little tommy's playing time will go down if they aren't there.

Those are the ones with the problem.

There was also a fight in town where someone was sent to Columbia hospital as a result of the injuries that was not in the paper. Maybe Marshall Police do not release all their reports to the paper?!?

As I watched the Homecoming Parade on Friday from Miami Street (a/k/a OWL PRIDE DRIVE) I was stunned to hear the Marshall Youth Football boys BOOING the other athletes as they passed by!!

Do these young men not understand the concept of GOOD SPORTSMANSHIP?

I was just wondering where some of the other news that has been happening is at? It is not posted that I can see. Several things have happened in our community that are yet to be reported on...will they be? I realize you can only do so much and that not ever little bit of news can be reported.

However I would like to think that a police chase and foot pursuit with guns drawn yelling 'freeze' through a residential neighborhood would be "news".

Ya know...just a thought.

TIRE INVENTORIES

This is a dated bit of news which I suppose everyone has either seen or heard about, but I came across it while sorting through aging emails and decided to post the link just in case.

This is a report about old tires (several years old in some cases) being sold for new tire prices and represented as being "new." This video explains how to interpret the numbers stamped into your tires:

http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?...

AF, when you ran your numbers, were you expecting to see pretty much the same outcome with both plans?

My experiment was to use the San Antonio median income, married filing jointly, and no itemized deductions. I was surprised that the difference was significant in Obama's favor.

I'm not sure what to make of the arbitrary (I presume) 3% wage increase. I think I just said it. :)

It does look as if McCain will have to rework his tax plan if he wants to be competitive.

Yes, Hobie, but also I figured maybe some people would also want to read the article, but thanks for pulling out the link for anyone not interested in the other part.

INCOME TAX PLAN COMPARISON

Here's a link to an article which includes a link (in the second paragraph) to a site where you can enter certain individual income/deductions information and have a computer model estimate your tax liability for the years 2009 thru 2012.

As indicated in the article, a business software maker and an economics professor took the details from both Republican and Democratic tax plans and created a software to test the details.

It IS an estimate, since the figures you enter will be estimated, but some of you may be surprised by the result:

file:///C:/Users/ClunkerFromDell/Documents/ELECTION_TAX_BURDEN.htm

I am looking back through my posts and trying to find out what I have said that has led some to believe that I think we should treat kids like drill sgt's or that I am not proud of them no matter the outcome of a football game.

What I am trying to say is that there are so many things that are wrong with the way coaches are viewed, chastized, and criticized for when it comes to a teams success. Does Coach Thomas want to win, sure he does. Do the players want to win. I am sure they do. Someone commented on the internet, and tv programs, and video games these days that are a difference in today's kids and they are right. Kids have the easy life now, the give me mentality. When they are bored they would rather put in a movie then go outside. I used to drive by the parks growing up and the courts would be filled with bball players, football fields filled with kids playing, and baseball fields would be the same.

I would enjoy nothing else then for this town to go back to whatever sporting success it has had so that my children can be a part of it.

It is unfair though to blame the coahes everytime something goes wrong, which is what was happening earlier on the boards here. The kids, not all of them, need to be held more accountable at times for what they do on and off the field. The coach has a responsibility in that as well, but sometimes is hesitant over the wrath he may feel from parents. At times a student athlete needs his parents to back off and let things be handled internally. Maybe I am wrong in my thinking, but the level of respect from kids these days towards coaches, teachers, adults is not so good and needs to get better.

Dgates - the problem with letting the large corporations fail is that no one knows how many smaller companies they have grabbed up in the past few years and these companies would also fail. It could be a medical insurance company, homeowners insurance, they could be backing smaller banks. The high salaries of the execs are what tick me off. As for the debt, my Grandchildren will never see that paid off! We need to quit "forgiving" the international debt owed to us, start collecting that and start charging some of these countries who want the NATO support to pay for it.

As for the comments someone made that sports are all about winning - I disagree. Yes, we all want to be on the winners side but there always has to be a looser too. Sports are about teaching discipline, team work, and how not to be a sore looser. I enjoyed the stories from OK and Slater. I remember the rivalry between Marshall & Slater in the 70's. Some great games! Anyone remember Coach Ramey in Slater? Tough but loved his players.

Slater I was warming the opposite bench in that 1957 Slater Marshall game. What a thriller.

As I recall it Mickey Hayob was the Slater quarterback, and was a slick ball handler. I know that when I played against him there was (for me) a slight delay in recognizing where the play was going because of his skill at hiding the ball.

By the way on Don Abney's game winning run he burst the laces of his shoes. I had never seen that happen before or since.

I have to this day a lot of respect for that particular Slater football team. It is amazing that they were good enough to play to the same level with a school that much bigger than them, particularly because that was one of the best Owl's teams (if not the best) of that era. Marshall tied for the conference championship with Higginsville (7-7 tie) in football, and won the conference in every other sport that year. No state championships in those days.

George Seals was a load, and went on to a great career at Mizzou, and then success with da Bears. My only moment of glory in high school football came at his expense. Late in a game I was on the field with big George barreling down the field toward me. There was no one else between him and the goal line. I was small and scrawny. He elected to run over me. Somehow I got lucky, and nailed him right at the ankles. He dropped like a felled tree, on the spot. Through the ringing in my head I heard the roar of the crowd. Bliss.

Thank you for the "only yesterday" moment. In answer to the initial question of your posting, yes, I remember the 1957 Slater vs. Marshall football game.

RedTruckRider, do you have a Dodge Little Red Wagon that was in the car display at the Fall Festival last year?

I guess this Birkenheimer guy is doing his part to validate the results of the study indicating that Americans are unable to perform moderately complex tasks, except in this case it's simple division.

Dgates - the math was one of the things pointed out on the blog. Missing a few "0"s.

Marine1066, that is the most common sense fix to the economy that I think I've heard. It's a shame we couldn't actually get your plan to the politicians for real approval. I am being serious, I wonder why the politicians can't see that a plan like this would actually fix things instead of giving it to one company.

I usually don't chime in on the blogs but I have to on this issue. I attend all the football games (JV and Varsity) that my work schedule allows. I am proud of the kids win or lose. My heart breaks for them when they lose because I know first hand the hard work that they put into practices (at school and home)but I am still proud. What gets my goat is that fans won't show enthusiasm. They sit in their seats and give "golf claps" even for the best of plays. I was ashamed of our home town "crowd" during the Sedalia game when the opposing teams "crowd" had more spirit when OUR cheerleaders were cheering. They showed more support for those girls than anyone in our stands. So next time you're at a game and the girls ask you to stand up with MHS, will you? I encourage you to do so because even though the team has their back to you they can hear the support if we, the community, stand together. GO OWLS. Best of luck Friday!!!

Bdawk4prez,

You do not have to beat the kids into submission to be a winner. My son played all-star two years in a row. The team missed state by one game. The coaches are caring good people. But they also practice these kids 4 times a week for two hours at a time. Running drills until they perfect every aspect of the game. Building a winning team is NOT about being a hard ass. It is about practice, heart and love of the game. We go to every game, every practice. My husband helps coach and on his one day off, a week from work he spends most of the day practicing and going over more skills. He also does this after work. He drives to K.C every day at 4 am, busts his butt laying a thousand block a day, and dont come home till 5, no matter how tired he is he goes to the practices and the games.

You are not correct in the fact you seem to think that treating kids like drill sargents is the only way to get a team to win.

A winning team is built on a solid foundation of skills, practice,parant participation and support from the community, and a strong desire to be the best. The kids do not have to be cocky, self absorbed, kids who talk crap and have coaches that do the same.

It may have been how you played back in the old days but it is not a proven, winning theory.

AFW -

I highly recommend Charlie Wilson's War!!! My husband and I started watching it, and you're right, it's slow in the beginning, but my husband, who didn't even what to see it at all, thought it was one of the best films we've ever rented!

The bottom line is this. If you think it is about having fun and winning and losing doesn't matter then you are so sadly mistaken.

Unfortuantly, winning and losingis all that matters. Sales people go out and lose all of your accounts and see what happens. Coaches go 0-36 and see what happens. That is society, it is a way of life. we can't continue to operate our kids in the YMCA eveybody plays, everybody has fun, everbody wins type of attitiude. That is why the entire Marshall sports program is in the shape that it is in. Baseball, football, basketball, etc.

The kid gloves have got to come off with the athletic programs. Let the coach do what he is there to do. The kid messes up, the kid sees the consequence. As long as the coach is using teaching tohelp the kid learn then he is doing the job.

If you aren't better then the next guy, take a seat. Put a team out there to win every time, quit pacifying the kids and some of the parents. If you are that kid, work harder, practice longer, give more effort, pay more attenttion. we shelter these kids so much from failing that when they do, the run and hide in the corner. Show them how to win and lose with dignity and how to earn wither result.

We give, give, give and give and then persecute the ones who spend all of their free time volunteering and coaching these kids.

parents, spend time at home practicing with Junior and quit relying on the coaches to turn your kid into the next Hank Aaron or Walter Payton. you have a job in this too. Stay home and don't go to practice, let the kid earn it. I bet if you asked the kids whose parents lined the little league football sidelines night after night at practice they would tell you the same thing, Go Home.

Let the coaches do their job. time to take the kid gloves off and let them stand on their own. they will become better people for it.

Paulie, Just wanted you to know I graduated College, My typing isnt that good. Hope you can find postive things to talk about and quit with being so negitive, Your a prime example of what people are talking about in the community, Maybe you ought to think about moving. You must be a sad person.

I would like to let the Marshall Football Team Know that I am behind you guys. On Friday night its a new game, who cares about your record, Go outthere and do your best. When I was in High School I was a 2 time State Champion in Wrestling. I didnt accomplish that by dwelling on the past. I always wanted to do better the next time. My wrestling coaches, Hargrave, White never yelled at me but Hargrave would give you a bear hug and looked away from you that really told us He cared about the Kid. I think the repect card is missing in todays sports. Well Just want the football time to go out and Beat Mexico.

I have seen All the King's Men - just didn't make the connection. Thanks OK. It is a classic. I bought hubby a book of top 101 4 star movies plus it has Oscar winners from way back so we pick movies from that to either buy or rent.

Slater - I have seen the Woodward/Bernstein 1976 Watergate based story of the same title. We watch a lot of old black & whites. Yesterday I bought and watched Sex and the City. Don't see why all the rave. I liked the series better. I thought the wedding veil was hideous.

para-chic: There may not be a verdict by Friday. The trial was scheduled for five days, but is already behind the hoped-for schedule. The trial will continue until both sides rest their cases and with many witnesses left to testify, that's an unpredictable event.

Anyone who believes a "kid" from the Marshall football team is going to be a D1 player has been in too many scrimmages without a helmet..

I'm all for supporting the team and coaches but that (D1) comment means someone is delusional.

okay, time for me to chime in on the marshall football issue. i am a mhs alum from the 80's when we had an incredible team that WON state. any of you 80's football players out there remember how you were coached? if not, let me refresh you...you were yelled at, humiliated in front of teammates and crowds of people, grabbed by your face masks and put to the ground, spit on, made to perform until you puked, and i could go on and on. and what do you think would happen today if the current coaches used those tactics? LAWSUIT!!! why did no parents complain back then? was it because it was working or what? sacrifice the child for the win? parents can't even act human at practices or games anymore when thier child is simply taken out of the game for half a quarter. being an alum i've always gone to homecoming game EVERY YEAR since graduation and take my kids which are in elementary school to share in my memories of high school. but not this year. i have no desire to take them to witness the behavior of some of these adults/parents. these people need to keep in mind as they are yelling out HORRIBLE, HURTFUL things that they are more then likely sitting near a players parents, a coaches kids, etc... try to act human will you. if you think you can do a better job at coaching this team then "apply for the job". it's gotten out of hand and i am no longer very proud of being a mhs alum.

Good morning, AF :)

OneOfMany, I couldn't agree more. Some parents exhibit the most disgusting behavior imaginable, and during one game here last season the parents of one team actually started fights with players and parents of the other team!

childadvocate sounds like he'd be one to browbeat his kids in the name of instilling "responsibility."

In case some have forgotten, it's a game, meant to be enjoyed by