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Speak Out June 11 through June 30, 2008

Wednesday, June 11, 2008

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I believe that our current malaise has been exacerbated by an erosion of middle class materialistic achievement, and prospective achievement. We have been sleep walking for years, and have awoken to what we percieve as a nightmare. We grow frustrated when we pinch ourselves, and it will not end. Our bubble has burst. We now find that we are in an energy position to which most of the world has been accomodated for years. We are spoiled and bawling our eyes out as we trucently walk a road that appears to be all up hill for the moment. Meanwhile compared to economically similar countries we still have it pretty darn good. The average price of a gallon of gas in Canada is $5.09,in Spain $7.30, United Kingdom $8.71,Germany, $8.98, and a whopping $10.08 per gallon in the Netherlands. Try filling up the old Hummer at those prices Billy Bob. Even "what ever will we do" Wall Street can't seem to find their stride. This evening's PBS business news reported that this was the worst June on record for Wall Street since 1930. That was in the depths of The Great Depression folks! We have tardily realized that we put in office a bunch of oil mad malfeasants not once, but twice. We are angry at them, we are almost as angry at ourselves for being suckered twice. Throw in job losses, stagnated wages, inflation,etc., and we have a problem. Of course we can't really forget (no matter how much we pretend to) that huge Republican elephant in the living room the War in Iraq, and its drain on our national treasure and conscience. With all that I find it surprising that anyone is surprised that people have become more surly and cynical. I wonder what it will be like when we get over that hill.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 12:15 AM

and now folks, on a lighter note ... slater's own joe kleine was recently listed as one of the top 16 draft busts in nba history ... see it for yourself ...

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/basketbal...

-- Posted by aikman8 on Mon, Jun 30, 2008, at 10:09 PM

are you complaining about the lack of news for Slater, Booneville, Higginsvilles, Sweet Springs, and Carrolton on the MARSHALL Democrat-News website?

-- Posted by SecretAgentMichaelScarn on Mon, Jun 30, 2008, at 9:40 PM

Sheesh....all the Slater bashing here!!! I'm thinking you could have made the best of your situation here and would have been fine. I've always found SPD to be helpful whenever I've have to call them.

Also, RedTruck speaks wise...Slater's great!!!

-- Posted by opin on Mon, Jun 30, 2008, at 6:32 PM

notgvnasht,

Our town here will let kids have the joy of Independance Day. If your loud mouth dogs would have shut up at night maybe the kids wouldn't have shot bottle rockets at them. Secondly you should have walked across the street and told the kids to stop and talk with their parents. The cops can't solve everything you winer!and yes everyone thats here and gives back to this town is proud to be apart of it!!! JJ come down anytime and party with us! You can shoot any fireworks you want to purchase while notgvnasht is watching from Marshall. also Kathy Fairchild thanks for your input we are very proud of our town. By the way don't worry i'm not going to start putting Marshall down its a very nice place to be as well. Thanks Marshall for what you do for Saline County. To you smoking Cheetah thanks for the calm down i was venting

-- Posted by RedTruckRider on Mon, Jun 30, 2008, at 5:42 PM

Cheetah.......Just because something is "good news" to you doesnt dictate that it is good news to everyone else.I know you believe your opinions to be superior and the final word. I hate to burst your bubble but..............

-- Posted by GOCHIEFS on Mon, Jun 30, 2008, at 5:13 PM

Cheetah - you said it best. I've wondered often why when good news arrives, in any form, out come the knives to cut it up into something else. Maybe it's just human nature?

Oh, and the other thing I've been wondering lately is this - all the discussion of quilts and my "return" to them. Does this say something about me? Or does it say something about the people who are asking the question? Do we still, in 2008, have issues about the role of women in the workplace?

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Mon, Jun 30, 2008, at 4:25 PM

take a hint. keep to the quilts!

-- Posted by Eff Ess on Mon, Jun 30, 2008, at 2:52 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
That's my beat.

Every person's memories of any town they ever lived in are colored by their experiences there. I'd encourage all of the many bloggers here who are engaged in a never-ending race to the bottom in describing Slater as a bad place to live to go take another look. Whatever it might have been in the past (and I suspect it was never as bad as some have suggested), Slater is now a nice little town with a lot of wonderful people.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Mon, Jun 30, 2008, at 2:25 PM

Sorry, JJ, but in this FREE country that requires permits (forFREE) and have strict restrictions is to protect our PROPERTY! I would be devistated in every meaning of the word if a wild bottle rocket landed on the roof of my home and burned it down.

But... you could drive to Slater and light that type of stuff of all day!

-- Posted by nomad on Mon, Jun 30, 2008, at 9:50 AM

As the old saying goes...

"Be careful of the ones that pray the loudest"

-- Posted by Cheese on Mon, Jun 30, 2008, at 1:05 AM

From the hilarious hypocrisy file: Republican Senators Larry "wide stance" Craig, and David "just a massage" Vitter are original co-sponsors of the Federal Marriage Admendment, aka the marriage protection admendment. Craig is the Republican Senator from Idaho convicted of a homosexual act in a Minneapolis bathroom. Vitter is the Republican Senator from Louisiana caught up with a prostitution ring. Folks you can't make up stuff this funny.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Jun 29, 2008, at 11:59 PM

Amen!

-- Posted by What the f...... on Sun, Jun 29, 2008, at 8:35 PM

Hmmmm.....I wonder if Greg Thompson will make Jesus Christ shave, take a shower and put on a decent suit now that they are running mates according to his website...Greg's not Jesus' website btw.

-- Posted by Cheese on Sun, Jun 29, 2008, at 5:42 PM

John Q - I don't have the tax amounts for the most recent year, but a story from Jan. 2004 (http://www.marshallnews.com/story/1060191.html)

notes the following: Total property tax collected, $7.3 million. Of that total, $5.4 million went to schools and $649,000 to road districts. Of the $382,000 that went to the three ambulance districts, SCAD #3 received $235,689, or about 3.2 percent of the taxes. Using those percentages for the most recent year, when property taxes collected came in at about $9.8 million, SCAD #3 would have received about $313,600 this year. That doesn't cover all the cost, I imagine of running the ambulance district. The remainder of needed funds has to come from those who use the service. In some cases, insurance covers the cost; some have no insurance, I do understand that, too.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Sun, Jun 29, 2008, at 10:45 AM

Maybe I missed it or it hasn't been asked. The police department has been to my house several times and I didn't get a bill. The fire department gets called out and no one gets a bill. Last November I collapsed and someone called for an ambulance for me. As I was unconscious I didn't happen to have any thoughts on the matter. When I woke up in ICU the next day I was just glad to see the ceiling. Thanks guys for saving my life. I just have one question, why does it cost almost $600.00 for a 4 mile ride to the hospital. Aren't you guys a tax supported entity like the police department, fire department or sheriff's department?

-- Posted by John Q. on Sun, Jun 29, 2008, at 4:10 AM

To all on this blog. I said I would not respond in the blog format to the questions that arise but would be happy to answer any questions put to me in other formats. I and my crew members seem to be getting attacked here. As I said in my previous blog entry the anonymity of a made up blog name gives people who have an ax to grind a forum to do so. Some of these people seem to be disgruntled former or present employees. I may even know who they are. Airing their personal grievences in the public format seems a little unprofessional to me. We like so many other operations have our internal politics. It's difficult to please all the people all the time. The issue of most of our staff not living in the District comes from the statewide shortage of paramedics. Of the six full time paramedics I am the only one who lives in the city. Four of our six full time EMTs live in the Dist. Three are in various stages of becoming paramedics. As for our staff not being able to work anywhere else. I can think of only two of our full time employees that do not work part time for another service or EMS related job. This I assure you is not because they can't but because it is their choice not to do so. As for the board not posting the Director Job. They are not required to post a job when a current employee is promoted into that position. It is the job of the Board of Directors to do what they feel is best for the Dist. I serve at their will. When my staff are being attacked I feel a need to defend them. I assure you all that Saline County Ambulance has as good a staff as anywhere in this state. They are dedicated and work hard. My job is to take care of them so they can take care of you. Now grind your ax's if you must. With freedom of speech also comes the responsibility to be as factual as possible in the public forum. Slander and Liable still apply. As I said before I am available to answer any real questions that the public has. It saddens me that after I said I would take my leave from this format that I had to come back to defend our staff. If you don't put your real name on it then it is not a complaint it's just; for the lack of a better word, whinning.

Wade Kelling, EMT-P

Dir of Amb Ops.

-- Posted by wkelling on Sat, Jun 28, 2008, at 1:06 PM

I started SCAD#3. Before that services were prvovided by funderal homes or for profit ambulance companies. There were no state laws. If you didnt have money or insurance we left you on the side of the road. My pay depended on whether or not you paid your bill. We had a stretcher a urinal a bedpan and a bottle of oxygen. Even if you could afford it you didnt want a ride with us. Do you know that only about 10 percent of people ever use he ambulance service. that makes it an unprofitable business. Just like the fire department. But for those that need it, the services are invaluable. Thats why it has to be tax supported. Just like police, fire, sherrif and EMS. Its only important to those that use it.

to argue they dont deserve a nice place to stay while they wait to save your life sucks. Wanna go back to the old days? Stop complaining and give these people a break. You are part of a community its time you act like it.

-- Posted by rudy486 on Fri, Jun 27, 2008, at 9:05 PM

To all on this Blog. It has seemed to take on a life of its own. As the Director of Operations I have tried to answer all questions as honestly as possible. Now there seems to be many more that are coming up. I don't know if a blog is the right venue to answer all of these questions or to try to educate the public on the workings of their Ambulance Dist. Some who post here seem to have only part of their information right or seem to be using demagogy to add excitement to the issues. Demographics and cost effectiveness drive our scheduling of the number of crew personnel we have on. We, like so many others would love to have unlimited resources to respond to any and all situations that may arise. This is just not so. We do rely on neighboring services as well as they rely on us to support them when situations arise that deplete our resources. This is a common practice throughout the Emergency Services Community. It is called mutual aid. As for the rest of the issues that are being discussed I will take my leave from answering them in the blog format. I feel that hiding behind the anonymity of a made up blog name lends this venue to a lot of possible ax grinding. That being said as an employee and operational head if this District I am available to answer any questions that are put to me. I am usually available at the Ambulance Base during normal business hours Monday- Friday. I do still work as a Crew Paramedic on my normal rotation as well as in the office when I am not on a Ambulance or an emergency call. I am also available by appointment. I welcome the opportunity to factually inform and educate the people of this District on any and all questions they may have about their Ambulance Service.

Sincerely.

Wade Kelling. EMT-Paramedic

Director of Ambulance Operations.

Saline County Ambulance District #3.

-- Posted by wkelling on Fri, Jun 27, 2008, at 6:24 PM

I'd also like to mention that transfering real emergencys are not a problem, its when fitzgibbon has a broken finger or a headache that they want to go to columbia and the patient and their family wants to drive down there but the hospital tells them that they have to go by EMS. I see it all the time were we are on the way to columbia and the pt says that fitz told them they HAD to go by ems even though they objected. I've seen the hospital use anything from its the law, to scare tactics. And for any of you wanting to use the excuse about insurance, thats bull.. i've talked to billing associates at Boone Hospital personally about this issue in the past.

-- Posted by Happy EMT on Fri, Jun 27, 2008, at 5:48 PM

well actually there are 6 seperate crews only 2 of which are on at one time kathy. and if u want to argue i would be more than happy to show u a list to prove it. And that still brings up that there is only two ambulance crews on duty to respond to 911 calls and transfers, to correct cheetahs comment.

-- Posted by Happy EMT on Fri, Jun 27, 2008, at 5:40 PM

May I say... Quit cuttin the Cheese, cheese. Your point to begin w/ stunk. WE pay for this service, through insurance billing or individual.

If I have a loved one dying at Fitzgibbon because they do not have the proper facility, or maybe my specialist wants me to go, for the particular issue... YES! I want an AMBULANCE w/ wonderful EMT's to transport my loved one to a hospital that can give the proper care.

I do not see where the ER Doc. recommending a person be seen in a different facility and having the SCAD do the transporting, is such an awful crime. If we were a large enough city to need 3 or 4 hospitals then we would have more ambulance stations basically doing the same thing.

THINK about it.

-- Posted by nomad on Fri, Jun 27, 2008, at 5:20 PM

To further clear up any confusion...yes there are three crews...but they do not work all at the same time. Only two work at a time...hence the problem.

-- Posted by Cheese on Fri, Jun 27, 2008, at 4:42 PM

There are three crews - two are on duty while the third is off-duty. Mr. Kelling himself told me that when I spoke to him earlier this year for our Marshall Progress tabs.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Fri, Jun 27, 2008, at 4:34 PM

Well cheetah i would like to know where that third crew is you are talking about because i fail to see three crews at SCAD 24hr a day. And It doesn't seem to happen hardly now because Mr. Kelling is trying to work with the hospital on keeping the district staffed but not too long ago there were numerous times that both ambulances were out of the county or busy and slater or sweet springs ems had to come transport the patient. maybe you should get your info straight before you write on here. On the other hand it does seem that to stay afloat we need to take transfers because that is were the service makes the money or so i have been told.

-- Posted by Happy EMT on Fri, Jun 27, 2008, at 4:24 PM

Smokin'

Sorry you are becoming irritated...maybe it's the nicotine or lack of it that you are needing?

Why now? Why not now? Any issue of importance is worth talking about whenever you can.

An emt himself or herself posted that this was a big problem earlier...apparently you were on a smoke break and missed that post.

Let's hear from some EMTs and maybe Wade himself and let's see if the all mighty Cheetah is right that this is not a problem and no one has suffered from it.

-- Posted by Cheese on Fri, Jun 27, 2008, at 4:22 PM

I was recently treated for a serious knee problem at Fitzgibbon and I want to emphasize that their care was outstanding in every way. I moved here from a much larger community and was frankly concerned about medical care in particular (I'm not getting any younger - Cheetah, maybe you can share some of those pills with me?). I need not have worried - the care I've received here was on a par with any other hospital or doctor's office I've ever been in, anywhere, and that includes Illinois, Iowa, California, Wisconsin and New York, among others.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Fri, Jun 27, 2008, at 4:19 PM

cheetah

there are others that are concerned about this and have posted in the forum and on the story itself about it. i for one am concerned and never have thought about this. i'm glad it is being discussed.

you need to look past the end of your self important nose to see that. not everyone is as self rightoues and outspoken as you. so we welcome your posts, but you are not judge and jury of this forum.

-- Posted by Paulie Walnuts on Fri, Jun 27, 2008, at 4:13 PM

Cheese and Cheetah - In terms of what is paid for ambulance service, I don't know. Any medical services are likely to be expensive, in any case. The tab is likely picked up by insurance companies, if the patient has insurance. For those who do not have insurance, but instead are on Medicaid, I'd guess Medicaid picks up the bill. For the rest, I don't know. That is another problem in rural areas, as elsewhere - the availability of reasonably-priced comprehensive medical insurance. Too many are uninsured or have coverage that doesn't begin to address their needs.

I don't doubt that Fitzgibbon, or any other responsibly-run hospital or business, considers its bottom line all the time - they wouldn't last long if they did not. The recent expansion is proof of that. That is particularly true for those hospitals that are non-profits.

Whether we will do a story on it isn't my decision to make, of course. The list of things we would like to do and can do, and the list of things we would like to do but don't have time for never gets shorter.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Fri, Jun 27, 2008, at 4:00 PM

Just a repost to catch anyone up...

Perhaps, there is a more pressing problem that the citizens of Marshall should be concerned about than the size of the new ambulance building. Whether or not there is a crew inside to respond to your emergency.

Many may not know this, but the Saline County Ambulance District is and has been Fitzgibbon Hospital's own personal patient transfer taxi to other hospitals in Columbia, KC and even St. Louis for quite a few years. The problem with this is, at any one time SCAD only has two ambulance crews working. Frequently, and I do mean frequently, as in several times a day, one crew is transferring Fitz's patients to one of the above mentioned cities and is out of town for hours at a time.

This leaves only one crew and one ambulance for the city of Marshall and surrounding area. When this remaining ambulance and crew get called out that leaves no SCAD crew/ambulance for Marshall. So, they then place Slater and Sweet Springs in that order on stand by to serve this area. Sure, the Marshall Fire Department has first responders that often get called when there is no ambulance available, but they are limited in their abilities to help. They do not have an ambulance or it's equipment and they cannot transport a patient so they have to wait on Slater or Sweet Springs also.

Obvious problem with that is a HUGE delay in response time. I don't know about you, but if I have to wait the 20-25 EXTRA minutes it takes to get an ambulance here from Slater or Sweet Springs for myself or a loved one during a severe injury or heart attack, I won't be happy...maybe even dead.

You also have to be concerned if you are a citizen of Slater or Sweet Springs as your ambulance crew is now heading to Marshall so where does this leave you when you need one?

I would like Mr. Kelling to please answer why SCAD is and continues to be Fitzgibbon Hospital's personal taxi service and how he feels about the increased risk this places on the tax payers of Marshall. Maybe this pre-dates his time as director or maybe he is just not at liberty to say why.

The next time you call for an ambulance, you should be more concerned not about the size of the building, but whether or not anyone is inside that building to help you.

-- Posted by Cheese on Fri, Jun 27, 2008, at 3:06 PM

Sure, a business being as prudent as possible is the way to go these days. Still doesn't change the fact that I think SCAD and the taxpayer are getting hosed by Fitz in them doing so.

Who's fault is that? Fitz for doing it or SCAD and the taxpayers for letting it happen? Or maybe the blame lies with all?

My solution...

If Fitz is going to use our EMTs and Ambulances for their business then let them pay for another crew so we have two here and they are not risking Marshall, Slater and Sweet Springs in their business interests.

Not very cheap I know, but maybe then they would get their own alternative if forced away from such a steal of a deal.

Fitz is a business and SCAD is tax payer supported...big difference. We tax payers are not here to solve Fitz's transport problems.

Keep our crews and ambulances here where they belong serving tax payers getting them to Fitz...not away from it...although the latter might not be such a bad idea either. :)

-- Posted by Cheese on Fri, Jun 27, 2008, at 2:58 PM

Ms. Fairchild

Fitz is indeed a non-profit hospital...but I can bet you that it's bottom line is very, very, very deeply considered on any financial decision it makes non-profit or not.

Why don't you do a story on this? It's a great piece. Just how much is Fitz paying on transfers? Is is a break even for SCAD or does Fitz pay them enough to make a profit...if they don't whose fault is that? SCAD for doing it or Fitz for paying so little?

If SCAD does make a profit off of it then maybe we should all just shut up and sit down...myself included. Or maybe Fitz should pay for another crew to cover Marshall when they use our ambulance?

I would bet SCAD is not making a profit out of it and I bet it is break even...maybe even in the deficit category when you factor in driver/rider fatigue and equipment wear and tear.

Heck, maybe Fitz should have bought them the pool table, appliances and anything else they wanted for the new building instead of the builder!

-- Posted by Cheese on Fri, Jun 27, 2008, at 2:47 PM

Just to be sure we're all clear on one thing - Fitzgibbon is a non-profit hospital.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Fri, Jun 27, 2008, at 2:36 PM

Smokin'

What Fitz does is it's own business. We are not supporting Fitz with our tax dollars...SCAD we are.

Let Fitz figure out thier own problems with their own money just as any business is required to do.

I feel Fitz is using and abusing SCAD and the tax payers as cheap alternative to actually figuring something out on their own for their own patients. Botton line...using SCAD to transport is cheaper than finding their own alternative.

-- Posted by Cheese on Fri, Jun 27, 2008, at 2:35 PM

Cheetah - Yes, Clinton and Atlanta are two I've found who own their own ambulances.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Fri, Jun 27, 2008, at 2:32 PM

stinkypinky - Please read my previous posts, in case you missed them. Cheese corrected my interpretation of Joe Blodget's remarks and I agreed. That said, I want to make clear it that as a person who once had to take a ride in an ambulance in a life-or-death situation, I am in full support of EMT's everywhere. They work hard and they save lives every single day. I don't begrudge them anything that improves their working conditions or atmosphere.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Fri, Jun 27, 2008, at 2:28 PM

Hmmm....seems like there is something to this transfer thing...according to Happy EMT and stinkypinky.

By the way, I would just like to say I think the new building looks great and is well needed.

Long hours on the road doing Fitz's transfers require a nice new building to rest up in. :)

Great job!

-- Posted by Cheese on Fri, Jun 27, 2008, at 2:27 PM

Hey,

I don't mean to burst anyone's bubble, but all this information is not quite right. I know for a "fact" that there are at least 30 transfers a month not a year from Fitz "bandaid" station to Kansas City, Columbia, and even St. Louis!! Now that IS something to gripe about!!!

-- Posted by IPOH on Fri, Jun 27, 2008, at 2:23 PM

A post by an apparent SCAD EMT that I thought would add to the conversation and deserved to be on the front page rather than the original SCAD building story. Thanks for all your hard work!

First off I'm new to this whole blogging thing and unlike wade i refuse to use spell check so bear with me. I would like to point out several issues but first off READ CHEESES POST!!!!!!!!!!!!! He or she has only touched on that issue. If you all want to talk and blog about issues that are in severe need of being addressed that is the issue……. Ok now on the the other stuff.

1. if u havn't taken a tour of our old building you should. I am probably the lightest sleeper ever and had to bunk with someone of the opposite sex who also snored so loud it would wake the person up. There were many nights I received almost no sleep due to the cramped and limited quarters we had to live in. Do you really want someone who has had no sleep for almost two days driving you or your loved one on I-70. You should also go notice that the ceiling had mold growning on it, the ceiling was falling in and missing in some places and that you could see daylight in one of the bedrooms when u look at the ceiling. Also we had no carpet and in the day room and a bay area that forced us to pull the ambulances into the street to clean and access them fully. Being on a blind corner, Boy that sure sounds safe huh…. I'm surprised I was never hit by a turning car!!!

2. If we had been able to build a basement and only one story had been showing with exactly the same stuff inside would people still be complaining. Heck No you wouldn't be. In my opinion I'm glad they had to make it two stories above ground. It looks attractive from the street and adds to the town. And as someone stated earlier it makes us look more professional having this nice building and it was well past due.

3. Yes there is some wasted space and some things should probably be changed if they had it to do over again but when u look at it on a blue print that is just a flat paper with lines it looked good and frankly hard as heck to tell how the finished product would actually look. In case your not up with times, stainless steel is the new trend and far as the huge t.v., pool table and some other stuff, it was all donated by Mortons, at no cost to the tax payers. Probably as a peace offering for taking half of my lifespan to build the building. And while on the subject of taxes you all should think Joe Blodgett for that. He was a wonderful boss who was great with money and was able to penny pinch money away for this new building so that taxes wouldn't have to be raises.

4. As far as people mentioning Corbin, ya there is times that I would like to toss him under the ambulance but there is times that he really has a good point or idea and he is only one board member you know. Maybe you all should come to the board meetings, I DO and am informed now. And besides the fact that I'm sure some of you on here live in his district of town so that means you had a chance to vote for him or run against him if you were that unhappy.

5. I gotta agree with one point from an earlier blog. We do a tough job at all hours of the night and are away from our familys for at least 48hrs at a time. We are grossly underpaid in my opinion.

-- Posted by Happy EMT on Fri, Jun 27, 2008, at 12:47 PM

-- Posted by Paulie Walnuts on Fri, Jun 27, 2008, at 2:19 PM

I agree I misinterpreted Blodgett's remarks. On the other hand, the availability of air ambulances does improve the situation. Saline County is not the only rural county with similar issues - rural counties in most states suffer from a lack of medical facilities, doctors and dentists. Fitzgibbon's recent expansion and the hoped-for cancer center will go a long way towards improving the situation for us. In the meantime, we have to deal with the situation as it exists, or, if we can, improve upon it. And as always, whether or not we can improve it depends mostly on whether funds are available for that purpose.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Fri, Jun 27, 2008, at 2:09 PM

Ms. Fairchild,

If you go back and read Mr. Blodgett's quote I think you may have misinterpreted what he said.

He was not saying that there are 150 cases that need transferring a year, he was saying out of the approx. 150 life threatening cases a year, they fly out about 30. 150 life threatening, but 150 is not the total numbers of transfers.

If you can check the transfer records, I would say that there are at least 150, if not more that get transported to other hospitals by SCAD. I would bet only a small percentage is by air ambulances from Fitz. Most are by SCAD.

Let's hope the new equipment helps the situation and let's hope nobody in Slater or Sweet Springs needs an anbulance when Marshall is using theirs.

-- Posted by Cheese on Fri, Jun 27, 2008, at 2:01 PM

And don't forget there are air ambulances available, too. About 30 patients per year, according to former Saline County Ambulance Director Joe Blodgett, are sent out of the area this way, out of about 150 cases requiring transfer.

Here's a story on that:

http://www.marshallnews.com/story/122318...

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Fri, Jun 27, 2008, at 1:46 PM

Jeff Galen, manager of nuclear medicine and interim director for imaging at the hospital recently said, "Statistically, 33 percent of all visitors to (our) emergency room are sent on to either Columbia or Kansas City hospitals. (With the new equipment) we can now take care of those patients here instead of sending them down the road. This revolutionizes the way we take care of cardiac patients, too," he said.

SCAD has three crews, who work a rotating schedule of two crews on and one crew off. With ambulance crews in Slater and Sweet Springs, too and a reduction in the number of needed transfers out of the area, maybe the problem Cheese has presented will be less of a problem or disappear altogether.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Fri, Jun 27, 2008, at 1:40 PM

My point is not whether or not a patient should be transported. Yes, they should be transported if needed or wanted and by the best means possible to them. Side note: maybe Fitz needs to get their own ambulance if this happens so frequently huh?

My point is if you are going to be the transport service then you need to make sure that there is more than enough staff to cover your absence. One crew left for Marshall and surrounding area is not enough in my opinion.

This shortage happens all the time, Slater and Sweet Springs are placed on stand by and do come to Marshall quite frequently. Check it out for yourself.

Deputies transport prisoners because THERE ARE OTHER DEPUTIES TO COVER their absence. Otherwise, I doubt they would leave the area.

SCAD and Fitz need to stop putting the communities at risk is my point. Don't leave if you don't have enough to cover your absence...and I don't think they do. 20-25 minutes for an ambulance from another town? No reasonable person would call that acceptable

-- Posted by Cheese on Fri, Jun 27, 2008, at 1:04 PM

New equipment at Fitz Hospital may in some cases eliminate the need for transport elsewhere.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Fri, Jun 27, 2008, at 12:55 PM

Nomad I dont' think that is what cheese is saying. It's not that the hospital owns the ambulance, it is that at any point during the day one ambulance is transporting out of the town of Marshall and cheese is pointing out the dangers of being short staff for emergencies.

-- Posted by snoozes on Fri, Jun 27, 2008, at 12:46 PM

I have been transported to Columbia! I have also been picked up by Columbia. What you are saying, cheese, is that Fitzgibbon ownes/ runs the Ambulances?!?

I don't think I agree. Once someone is stabilized and ED finds that Fitz cannot provide a certain service or if there is not enough beds at Fitz, people are then transported. Yes, it does take away the crew for a lengthy time, but is neccessary.

No different then the Air Ambulance flying out a critical person. If the closest one is w/ cargo we would have to wait for the next closest Bird to respond

-- Posted by nomad on Fri, Jun 27, 2008, at 12:16 PM

Perhaps, there is a more pressing problem that the citizens of Marshall should be concerned about than the size of the new ambulance building. Whether or not there is a crew inside to respond to your emergency.

Many may not know this, but the Saline County Ambulance District is and has been Fitzgibbon Hospital's own personal patient transfer taxi to other hospitals in Columbia, KC and even St. Louis for quite a few years. The problem with this is, at any one time SCAD only has two ambulance crews working. Frequently, and I do mean frequently, as in several times a day, one crew is transferring Fitz's patients to one of the above mentioned cities and is out of town for hours at a time.

This leaves only one crew and one ambulance for the city of Marshall and surrounding area. When this remaining ambulance and crew get called out that leaves no SCAD crew/ambulance for Marshall. So, they then place Slater and Sweet Springs in that order on stand by to serve this area. Sure, the Marshall Fire Department has first responders that often get called when there is no ambulance available, but they are limited in their abilities to help. They do not have an ambulance or it's equipment and they cannot transport a patient so they have to wait on Slater or Sweet Springs also.

Obvious problem with that is a HUGE delay in response time. I don't know about you, but if I have to wait the 20-25 EXTRA minutes it takes to get an ambulance here from Slater or Sweet Springs for myself or a loved one during a severe injury or heart attack, I won't be happy...maybe even dead.

You also have to be concerned if you are a citizen of Slater or Sweet Springs as your ambulance crew is now heading to Marshall so where does this leave you when you need one?

I would like Mr. Kelling to please answer why SCAD is and continues to be Fitzgibbon Hospital's personal taxi service and how he feels about the increased risk this places on the tax payers of Marshall. Maybe this pre-dates his time as director or maybe he is just not at liberty to say why.

The next time you call for an ambulance, you should be more concerned not about the size of the building, but whether or not anyone is inside that building to help you.

-- Posted by Cheese on Fri, Jun 27, 2008, at 11:47 AM

HOORAY,for the supreme court for reaffirming our second amendment right to bear arms

-- Posted by GOCHIEFS on Fri, Jun 27, 2008, at 10:48 AM

JJ we got a few fellows on the FD here in that bracket of F's. Ofcourse check out the area boards around and lets poll them, Look out could be a shocker!! The FD is doing good though down here on the corner although our building looks bad...

-- Posted by SalineFire on Fri, Jun 27, 2008, at 9:24 AM

Too bad we couldn't. I have noticed that when you do find an authentic AMERICAN Made outlet, IT'S TOO EXPENSIVE!

Such as the Electric Car being manufactured I think in Montanna. I want one, but can't afford it. SOO cute! Kindof looks like a lil Hummer.

-- Posted by nomad on Fri, Jun 27, 2008, at 8:08 AM

I have often wondered if a retail chain, simply named MADE IN AMERICA would open its doors, could it thrive in our country? I can see them plunked down in strip malls all across America nestled next to that great purveyor of all things chinese with a big red, white, and blue facade, star spangled and proud. Inside would be only items made in America from the raw materials of America. Sam Walton might do it, except he is dead. Steve Jobs could do it, it would remove the bitter irony from his last name, as it would bring employment to America not India. I just hope someone does it. If so they better do it soon. In another ten years there won't be enough products made in America to stock a convenience store let alone a big retail box.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Jun 27, 2008, at 12:38 AM

Maybe its just me. But has anybody noticed that according to the MDN obits we havent had a death in over a week. thats got to be some kind of record. AND WHAT A TESTAMENT TO OUR LOCAL DOCS.

-- Posted by GOCHIEFS on Thu, Jun 26, 2008, at 5:58 PM

Because they "own" both sides of the street.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Thu, Jun 26, 2008, at 3:18 PM

You still need an education to be able to tell time... read a manual to learn the rules... or at least, listen effectively. Give us a break Jivin Joby Gates, did you play sports or hit the books???

-- Posted by nomad on Thu, Jun 26, 2008, at 12:26 PM

bout time for another tv shooting isn't it?

-- Posted by aikman8 on Thu, Jun 26, 2008, at 12:24 PM

Hey JJ we would like to take the time to mess with em, but there are to many teenage kids running the streets all hours of the night stealing and messin' stuff up, they dont have the time for us. All them kids running the streets are the kids that arent playing sports in school prolly due to bad grades. its a lot more fun to tear up other peoples belongings that they work hard for then to set your own goals in life. Im' on track with ya JJ, If the kids are working hard as they can who cares about the grades. F the f rule...

-- Posted by SalineFire on Thu, Jun 26, 2008, at 11:59 AM

JJ, thank you for saying what needs to be said! When do you get your column in the print edition?

-- Posted by SecretAgentMichaelScarn on Thu, Jun 26, 2008, at 10:34 AM

I'll say it one more time. JJ you da man. There are alot of reasons for a student failing ONE class. If you take away sports and other extra curriculer activities next thing you know the sverage student with one bad class {for whatever reason} will either be dropping from school. or at the very least spending their day across the street smoking cigarettes and throwing down the butts.

-- Posted by GOCHIEFS on Thu, Jun 26, 2008, at 10:13 AM

JJ I am so disappointed in you. You were out of line the way you phrased your comment on the words Con Agra Janitor and working at a gas station. Why hurt people's feelings. Are you better than they are?

-- Posted by Cat Lover on Thu, Jun 26, 2008, at 9:59 AM

JJGates for School Board President!!!!

-- Posted by SalineFire on Thu, Jun 26, 2008, at 9:57 AM

I DISAGREE BD42!! In my high school we could not drop below 70 and play sports this is still the rule today. Even though below 70 is a "D" its considered failing. I played sports and guess what we did a lot more studying and less goofing off because it meant something to be able to play.

Grades are very important and MHS is a sinking ship if this is not enforced. It should have been done a long time ago. Kids will have problems and tough situations but if they continue to apply themselves teachers/coaches/support staff will help them work through it while keeping their grades up.

-- Posted by allsmiles on Thu, Jun 26, 2008, at 8:39 AM

"There are just so many factors that can go into failing one class. I'm not talking about laziness or the teachers. How well do you think you would do in class if you were dealing with a family issue like divorce? What about a death in the student's family during a particular semester? What about being a new student and dealing with moving into a new situation during one semesters. How about lack of support at home?

I DO NOT think a student should be penalized in an area that might be a bright point for them just for 1 grade. Give the student a chance to pull the grade back up. You never know what a motivator (for good grades) or even how much hope that extracurricular activity holds for a student."

BD42 This statement is a load of crap!!!!

It's ok Joe or Jane you got an F in Math class or any other class but you still get to play the game this week.

Come on people our kids go to school to learn not play!!!

-- Posted by Gal66 on Thu, Jun 26, 2008, at 6:57 AM

I DO support Janet Klinge's statement. The MSHSAA standard is a good one (1 failing grade before being disqualified) and I see no reason why the Marshall High School's standard should be even stricter than that -- they are proposing no failing grades.

There are just so many factors that can go into failing one class. I'm not talking about laziness or the teachers. How well do you think you would do in class if you were dealing with a family issue like divorce? What about a death in the student's family during a particular semester? What about being a new student and dealing with moving into a new situation during one semesters. How about lack of support at home?

I DO NOT think a student should be penalized in an area that might be a bright point for them just for 1 grade. Give the student a chance to pull the grade back up. You never know what a motivator (for good grades) or even how much hope that extracurricular activity holds for a student.

-- Posted by hat full of sky on Thu, Jun 26, 2008, at 6:26 AM

why dont they have birth announcements on here or do they

-- Posted by kayla2008 on Thu, Jun 26, 2008, at 12:27 AM
Response by Kathy Fairchild/Staff writer:
Births, marriage and engagement announcements are included only in the print and e-edition versions of the paper, both of which require subscriptions.

Today I heard Jeanette Klinge's comment over the radio about the issue of having F's while playing sports or doing extra curricular activities in general and I DO NOT AGREE!!! As a matter of fact I cannot believe we allow kids to play sports now with 2 F's. Am I hearing this right? In many states across the U.S its NO PASS NO PLAY. It is a privilege to do extra curricular activities and should be something to strive towards while keeping your grades up. The Marshall School board needs to get a clue and make this stick!! Don't blame the coaches Ms. Klinge for not wanting to work with these type of kids, AS YOU PUT IT.

WHAT TYPE are you referring to? I believe its called LAZY! NO PASS/NO PLAY.

-- Posted by allsmiles on Wed, Jun 25, 2008, at 9:09 PM

You are wrong JJ Gates, it is already out of hand. Just drive around the town and see for yourself!

-- Posted by tommob on Wed, Jun 25, 2008, at 3:02 PM

If a cigarette butt is still lit when you toss it out the car window it could cause a grass fire. I'm sure the people in California who are dealing with huge forest fires right now would frown upon anyone who would carelessly toss a lit cigarette from a car. Also, your lit butt could fly back into your car and burn holes in your back seats, or possibly burn your passengers sitting in the back seat. What if your lit butt got stuck down in your baby's car seat? How would you feel if you burnt your child? If you drive a pickup truck tossing a lit butt could catch your cargo on fire. Id say if you asked any firefighter they would surely tell you that tossing cigarette butts from a car window is not just littering...it's a dangerous fire hazard!

-- Posted by Typesetter on Wed, Jun 25, 2008, at 2:59 PM

Cig butts don't just blow away, it's the wonderful employees of businesses, like Wal-Mart, cleaning them up or volunteers. Of course you're not going to notice or appreciate that! If they do, they blow in someone elses yard, while the yard of the smoker remains butt free! How many smokers do you know who toss, dump, or put out their cig. butts in their own yards? If they did, they'd be more aware of the impact of littering, ALL littering, has on the community and environment!

-- Posted by bj on Wed, Jun 25, 2008, at 2:58 PM

Annabelle-

I don't know why you think it is ok to throw your cigarette butts out onto the street. Many people who don't smoke end up with your butts in their yard, along with the plastic and wrapping from the pack of cigarettes. How would you like it if I just threw my trash in your yard because I could. It is just down right rude and careless for smokers to think that everyone around them wants to see their bad habit.

-- Posted by snooze on Wed, Jun 25, 2008, at 2:44 PM

Annabell, seriously, your butts may blow to the side of the road, but it is still litter. And how do you know that animals know better than to eat them? What are you teaching your children about littering?

-- Posted by tommob on Wed, Jun 25, 2008, at 1:57 PM

When people visit my house we usually sit outside when the weather permits. I have noticed that many smokers discard their cigarettes butts with just a flip of a finger. I tell them either they pick it up of I will have to and that I didn't put it there. Most apologize and refrain from the practice. Once tossed on the ground a cigarette but will lay in place for years as the filters are not biodegradable. When there are visible cigarette butts on the ground others feel free to discard there's also. It doesn't take long for an area visited by smokers to start looking like an open ashtray.

-- Posted by John Q. on Wed, Jun 25, 2008, at 12:09 PM

Seriously I toss my cigarette butts out the window. I have never seen them all over at intersections. They usually just blow to the side of the street. Most animals and kids know better than to pick them up. I know my kids do.

-- Posted by AnnaBell on Wed, Jun 25, 2008, at 11:57 AM

I agree with Cheese. Cigarette butts look trashy, makes our town look trashy, and.... it is littering! It seems to me that our town does not enforce the "no littering" law. Let's clean up this town so that we may take pride in it once again!!!!

-- Posted by tommob on Wed, Jun 25, 2008, at 9:21 AM

Here's a question for the smokers.

Why do you find it ok to carelessly toss your cigarette butts around like it is no big deal? Our streets are littered with cigarette butts at just about every intersection you see.

Besides being poisonous to kids and animals, they are made of paper and last time I looked this was littering.

Just wondering why?

-- Posted by Cheese on Tue, Jun 24, 2008, at 11:54 PM

hey sht, you're right. JJ doesn't get it because he is "it".

-- Posted by SecretAgentMichaelScarn on Tue, Jun 24, 2008, at 2:46 PM

Nope - just answering your question.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Tue, Jun 24, 2008, at 9:37 AM

JJ - All I can do is refer you to the statute - it's agin the law to shoot up even your own house and your own TV, especially if someone's in the house and thinks they might be next. Good laws or bad, ya gotta comply or you're gonna be in some pretty deep trouble. The New York situation, I agree, is pretty horrible - we can be thankful, at least, that we're not dealing with that.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Mon, Jun 23, 2008, at 8:26 PM

JJ - Risk a class D felony and possible 4-year sentence, just to shoot your TV? Can't be that much fun, or are you just wanting to upgrade to High def (when you get out, of course).

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Mon, Jun 23, 2008, at 3:24 PM

What time you shooting it JJ? I might wanna come watch!

-- Posted by get a clue on Mon, Jun 23, 2008, at 2:18 PM

What the f......; free speech is fine, and no I don't have a problem with that!

-- Posted by Billfromraytown on Sun, Jun 22, 2008, at 12:29 AM

LOL Gal66! I think you give them too much credit though. Although the bike riding, high gas price "plan" is about right from what I am hearing, they haven't even thought the problem through enough to offer THAT ridiculous solution as a "plan". It's like the words SOLUTION, PLAN, and most of all VICTORY are dirty words to be avoided at all costs. I think the conversation would go more like this:

GOP:Let's drill in the Gulf and ANWR?

DEMS:Environment good...oil BAD

GOP:Let's build more refineries?

DEMS:Gay marriage

GOP:Let's stabilize interest rates and boost the dollar?

DEMS:Universal healthcare

GOP:Let's drill for oil-shale and try to refine it?

DEMS:Terrorists aren't so bad.

GOP:Ummm...OK...What do YOU guys want to do?

DEMS: NO BLOOD FOR OIL!

-- Posted by moodyblue on Sat, Jun 21, 2008, at 8:43 PM

I whole heartedly disagree with the dems. Let's utilize our own resources to the fullest extent as long as we do it in concert with an intense program for research into alternative resources.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Sat, Jun 21, 2008, at 6:26 PM

The Republican VP poll is up. It's similar to the Democratic poll in that it includes the names being bandied about by the mainstream media. I think it would be fun to follow these polls with polls listing who WE think should be on the tickets. Who's the MSM ignoring? Here's my first two ideas:

Condoleeza Rice (for McCain)

Joe Lieberman (for Obama)

-- Posted by Eric Crump on Sat, Jun 21, 2008, at 5:33 PM

It's amazing how utterly ridiculous the Dem's current "proposals" are for dealing with high energy costs. It's even more ridiculous how they shoot down just about every VALID proposal put forth by the GOP.

GOP:Let's drill in the Gulf and ANWR?

DEMS:Nope...Caribou will hate it...

GOP:Let's build more refineries?

DEMS:Nope...not in my backyard...

GOP:Let's stabilize interest rates and boost the dollar?

DEMS:Nope...there's the housing crisis...people are LOOSING HOMES!

GOP:Let's drill for oil-shale and try to refine it?

DEMS:Nope...not "short-term" enough...

GOP:Ummm...OK...What do YOU guys want to do?

DEMS: Let's tax the oil companies, sue OPEC and ride bikes to work! Besides we NEED higher gas prices to "fix" the environment...

-- Posted by Gal66 on Sat, Jun 21, 2008, at 1:45 PM

Hope is ok to post this link

http://www.foxnews.com/urgent_queue/inde...

exerpt: "House Democrats responded to President's Bush's call for Congress to lift the moratorium on offshore drilling. This was at an on-camera press conference fed back live.

Among other things, the Democrats called for the government to own refineries so it could better control the flow of the oil supply.

They also reasserted that the reason the Appropriations Committee markup (where the vote on the amendment to lift the ban) was cancelled so they could focus on preparing the supplemental Iraq spending bill for tomorrow."

-- Posted by Gal66 on Sat, Jun 21, 2008, at 1:43 PM

Well Bill,

I guess it would have to stand for free speech provided you don't have a problem with that.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Sat, Jun 21, 2008, at 10:23 AM

Right on WTF...!

I gotta agree w/ the people behind the curtain being the ones that are ripping our Government apart. If we do lose this war it will be from the inside out. If you pay attention- It's not the commoner's worried about wireless phone tapping. It is the forien owned businesses, people w/ $$ and the major drug runners.

Hey, if they wanna hear me talk to my soldier when he calls from Iraq, that's fine w/ me. If they wanna hear me talk to my sister and cousins about my little one going to the potty that day, who cares.

Now, I wouldn't want them to know when I was going to bomb the next train & attempt to kill people OR- when my next shipment of cocain was scheduled to arrive at port.

In other wars we had to give up civil liberties for the greater cause. Then, after time some were restored & others changed. FOR OUR PROTECTION. Now- our rights are being picked through and tossed out, it is the AMERICANS (born&raised) that are losing out. Kindof like... Merry Christmas, or GOD BLESS. Where I work, I cannot use the phrase GOD BLESS when someone sneezes because it may offend their religous belief. Well, I say, fire me. It is my religous belief to ask for GOD's Blessing when I feel the need to do so.

-- Posted by nomad on Sat, Jun 21, 2008, at 9:29 AM

What the f......; so what exactly does your "classy" username stand for? Surely nothing obscene, crude, or rude. Maybe the "f" is for feckless, or could it possibly stand for flimsy? Oh well, I'm sure you are a very upright citizen with such a fine username, whatever it stands for.

-- Posted by Billfromraytown on Sat, Jun 21, 2008, at 9:08 AM

Go Chiefs,

I never told anyone they hated thier country I only cut and pasted thier own words for reference. Sadly that post has been removed and I'm not sure why. If you are trying to cleverly accuse me of hating my country then you have failed once again. Blind faith in anything, like our govt and this particular administration is more dangerous to the fabric of our nation then anything a terrorist can do. Or is it? Unfortunately our collective reaction to 9/11 has done more damage to us as a country then the perpetrators could have ever hoped for. I often wonder how those who died on 9/11 would feel about

what we have become. Their deaths are every bit as noble as any soldier we have lost on the battle field. Soldiers who fought and died to preserve our constitution. Sadly, our constitution is being systematically dismantled. Our current adminstration has been criminally inept and even a party to treason with the outing of a CIA agent soley for political reasons. That is only the tip of the iceberg as we are all acutely aware. You seem to feel that turning a blind eye is "Patriotic" or is how one shows love of country. That sir/or madam makes "you" every bit as dangerous and every bit as fanatical as those we are supposedly being protected from. That does not mean that I am accusing you of hating our country, it only means that I believe you are sadly misguided. Our current adminstration fancies itself to be "The Wizard of Oz" and would prefer that we the people pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. If you can't see that or worse, refuse to see that then I truly feel sorry for you and for us. I actually have come to feel sorry for George Bush because I feel he, like the rest of us has been duped. He is the perfect patsy. He will be the fall guy while those behind the curtain slink off into the darkness to count thier millions. Do you really think that type of "leadership" should be rewarded with 4 more years in power? If so, then the "terrorists" have indeed won.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Sat, Jun 21, 2008, at 7:54 AM

Just an afterthought (oh no, not another afterthought from Oklahoma Reader). Sometimes I do get too preachy, Ive got to work on that. I do get upset when I see people hung out to dry in the media. That innocent security guard Richard ? in Georgia whose life was ruined when he was accused of the bombings in Atlanta comes to mind. I will try to be respectful of others, and try to stay on topic, as it says just above where I now write. Having said that I do believe that there are others who also need to focus on those points. I do believe that name calling diminishes the message of the writer. I really do not think any one disagrees with that, though of course everyone has the right to disagree with that. So if you do disagree, by all means post back as to why you believe name calling makes your message better. I will also try to do a better job of refuting just the message if I disagree with it, and avoid refutation of the personality or character of the messenger. Meanwhile I am exercising my freedom to not post for a day or so, may you all have a good weekend.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Jun 21, 2008, at 1:32 AM

Just because the radio station ran the names it doesn't make it right. Sure it's legal. Legality, and morality are not the same things. JJ how did your family members feel when their names were in the paper,as arrested for something they did not do? Some places, Canada for instance, news coverage is limited in matters such as these. I feel sorry for your family members that had to suffer the indignity, bet you did too.

Go Chiefs you are so full of hatred that this is the first, and last time I will address you. Do not tell me nor anyone else to shut up and go away. Bully ways like that may survive on the school playground, but not here. Obviously you have never out grown them. Secondly you acted as if you spoke for everyone with your directive that I post somewhere else. You have delusions of grandeur. Finally you wrap yourself in the flag and talk about freedom, then tell me to not exercise my freedom. Hypocrisy or stupidity, or both? You make the call. I know you will come back with another hate filled tirade, which will only make you look smaller. That is your right, and your choice. Of course I have the choice to ignore it, and so I shall.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Jun 21, 2008, at 12:25 AM

-- Posted by milliemouse on Fri, Jun 20, 2008, at 11:59 PM

so sorry for the wrong spelling.lol thou not though . didnt wanna give OKIE. ammo for another 6 paragraphs . so i figured id better print a correction

-- Posted by GOCHIEFS on Fri, Jun 20, 2008, at 9:01 PM

OKIE are you so bored that you cant find someone down there to critizise?Do us all a HUGE favor and preach your holier than though ranting to your local paper readers. I for one am tired of your endless tirades that just ramble on and on and on.................

-- Posted by GOCHIEFS on Fri, Jun 20, 2008, at 8:57 PM

Eric; you should call your blog the "Speak Out when you say what Eric wants to hear and he will leave your comments intact" blog! "Speak Out" just isn't very appropriate when you aren't allowed to speak out. Do you personally monitor the blog or do some of your comrades assist? ARE YOU REALLY THAT AFRAID OF THE TRUTH?

-- Posted by Billfromraytown on Fri, Jun 20, 2008, at 8:50 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Truth is great. Criticism is fine. But please note the disclaimer at the top of the Speak Out forum:

"The Marshall Democrat-News welcomes views or questions on any issue. We hope you'll express yourself freely and responsibly. We reserve the right to exclude entries that we deem disrespectful, threatening, obscene or in other ways objectionable."

There you have it. It usually takes only an extra minute or two to think of an acceptable way to express even the most passionately held views.

JJ what if Ryan King and Cody Rose are not guilty? What if the alleged victim is lying? I suspect that in this specific situation the staff at the Democrat News knew who the suspects were, but chose to not divulge their identity until they were charged. Your "scoop" may not be a scoop concerning the instant case. Lighten up, you don't have to prove you are on top of everything in the community. There is a fine line between gossip and what you have just said, unless you have more details that in your judgment warrant the divulgence of their names. If that is the case would you report them to flesh out your flash? There are many people who are arrested on suspicion of wrong doing, then released when the developing evidence does not support culpability. At times people have been arrested by rogue cops just to harass them. There are a multitude of other reasons for arrest that do not result in charges being preferred. The arrested person once exposed is a marked person, shamed, and through no fault of their own forced to explain themselves to the community for no good reason. Taking it closer to home,supposing one of your parents or family members, was arrested, but not charged. Would you, unless you had strong evidence of their guilt, divulge their name on this blog? If your answer is of course not, it begs the question do you not owe the same moral obligation to other members of your community?

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Jun 20, 2008, at 8:43 PM

Oh Lord it's hard to be humble

When you're perfect in every way

I can't wait to look in the mirror

'Cos I get better lookin each day

To know me is to love me

I must be a hell of a man

Oh Lord it's hard to be humble

But I'm doin' the best that I can

-- Posted by Billfromraytown on Fri, Jun 20, 2008, at 8:33 PM

What the f....you telling someone about them "hating their country" is like the proverbial "pot calling the kettle black

-- Posted by GOCHIEFS on Fri, Jun 20, 2008, at 7:38 PM

Hey Smokin',

She may already be a grandma.

I guess a g-string could make her job easier.. not having to worry about dropping the SLOW traffic sign to dig out a wedgie!!

-- Posted by nomad on Fri, Jun 20, 2008, at 5:18 PM

Cheetah: "Blinded myself with my shorts," huh? That's one for the books. An excellent variation on "I won't be coming in today - I have eye problems." "Eye problems?" "Yeah, can't see myself coming in."

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Fri, Jun 20, 2008, at 5:16 PM

Maybe everyone should just write in themself for president. It's up to the supers anyway.

-- Posted by nomad on Fri, Jun 20, 2008, at 5:10 PM

I don't care who McSame picks for VP as long as it is not the morman cultist Romney. When McSame dies, we'd then have a Morman President.

-- Posted by Listening In on Fri, Jun 20, 2008, at 4:25 PM

Cheetah - I thought you'd gone off the deep end until I found the lawsuit myself. The woman in question in a a 52-year-old traffic officer with the Los Angeles Department of Transportation. Her attorney said the injury, which occurred in May 2007, "will be affecting her the rest of her life." The lawyer also said, "It's a 'design problem'" with the garment.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Fri, Jun 20, 2008, at 4:21 PM

SecretAgentMichaelScarn- If you don't like that there are 2 racing blogs- then don't read them!! You wouldn't last a day racing...."real sport" my a_ _.

-- Posted by pumpkin08 on Fri, Jun 20, 2008, at 1:18 PM

"But why the Dems first???"

Oh jeez- quit your whining- what are you in 2nd grade.

-- Posted by pumpkin08 on Fri, Jun 20, 2008, at 1:13 PM

but why the dems first?????

-- Posted by IPOH on Fri, Jun 20, 2008, at 11:51 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Timeliness. Obama recently became the presumptive candidate and his VP choice has been in the news more than McCain's. Both are important. Both will be covered and polled.

When is the paper going to have a poll about who McCain should choose for VP?? Humm kinda bias???

-- Posted by IPOH on Fri, Jun 20, 2008, at 11:00 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
It's next up.

Congratulations to Art and Darin. Both are really nice guys and deserving of their big breaks. Art has been a real icon in the Springfield area for years, and it's time his journalist/sports skills are going to be appreciated for an even broader audience. Good luck to both!

-- Posted by oneofmany on Thu, Jun 19, 2008, at 11:41 PM

Oklahoma Reader; You and your liberal friend Mr. Crump sure know how to "sling excrement at others", but neither of you can take it when someone throws it back at you. You left wing liberals are all cry babies. You worry about censorship, but are always the first ones to use it when anyone says something that offends you.

It's apparently okay for you to belittle others and throw out your outrageous lies. But when you are challenged, the comments are conveniently removed from the blog. Mr. (and I use that term loosely) Crump, you should be ashamed of a lot of the garbage you allow on this blog, I didn't use any obscenities in my comments and they were certainly less offensive in nature that most of the junk you allow to stay.

I will once again post the comments you removed, I challenge you to do what's right and let them stay.

-- Posted by Billfromraytown on Thu, Jun 19, 2008, at 10:17 PM

Well said WTF. You have made your point coherently. It is yet to be rebutted.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Jun 19, 2008, at 8:09 PM

i won't be back on this site i have no use for marshall

-- Posted by once_removed on Thu, Jun 19, 2008, at 6:31 PM

I see there are now two blogs about racing. can we get a real sports blog?

-- Posted by SecretAgentMichaelScarn on Thu, Jun 19, 2008, at 4:53 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Sure. We just needs a sports blogger (or two or three) to step forward.

http://www.marshallnews.com/forms/blogsi...

oh geez typesetter ... you have advance notice, if it means that much to you, take your lunch that day with you so you don't have to run home, etc., and quit yer whining!

-- Posted by aikman8 on Thu, Jun 19, 2008, at 4:37 PM

The Ambulance District is holding an Open House for the new facility here in Marshall on Friday, June 20, 2008 from 11 a.m. to 2 p.m. I am a taxpayer and would like to view the facility but I, like most people, will be working during these hours. Why can't they have this in the evening, say 5 p.m to 7 p.m. I am a regular working person, like many others in this community, and I work during the day. I know that I could run by on my lunch hour, but remember I only have an hour to eat and be back at my work post in one hour on the nose. That's not a lot of extra time to view the facility. I am not some kind of big wig business owner or community leader who can leave their workplace at anytime. Why can't these kind of things be held when it is convenient for most of the working public and not just an elite few? We may not have a lot of money, but our tax dollars spend the same as Mr. Big Banker, Mr. County or City Representative or Mr. Business Owner, shouldn't we be allowed to see what we helped to build too?

-- Posted by Typesetter on Thu, Jun 19, 2008, at 3:54 PM

Go Chiefs.

That all you got?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Thu, Jun 19, 2008, at 2:56 PM

Apparently okie is not from Muskogee.Because I understand they are a flag wavin, god fearin, government respectin sort of folk round those parts. Are you havin trouble finding a liberal rag in Ok? Try down around stillwater, I heard there used to be a bunch of hippies down there who may subscribe to your conspiracy in government theorys

-- Posted by GOCHIEFS on Thu, Jun 19, 2008, at 1:08 PM

Congrats are in order to two Marshall natives who are making big career moves in the sports world ...

Art Hains, longtime voice of Missouri State football and basketball, has been added to the Kansas City Chiefs broadcast team - he will do pre-game, post-game, in-game updates and halftime duties - and another Marshall graduate, Darin Kerns, the Kernal, has accepted the position of equipment manager for football at Florida State University, one of the tope collegiate programs in the country. Kerns has been with the Chiefs, Tampa Bay Bucs, Baltimore Ravens and most recently at the University of Minnesota as equipment manager.

Congrats Art and Kernel!

-- Posted by aikman8 on Thu, Jun 19, 2008, at 11:34 AM

It's almost FRIDAY!!

-- Posted by nomad on Thu, Jun 19, 2008, at 10:44 AM

lol at the cards

-- Posted by SecretAgentMichaelScarn on Thu, Jun 19, 2008, at 9:56 AM

GoChiefs.

Rule of law is all that we have left and without it where does that leave us? If the rule of law is not extended to every human being regardless of perceived guilt then what have we fought and died for? Our govt cannot be trusted not to abuse a system where they are allowed to pick and choose whom has protection under the law. It is all or nothing and it is that simple.

9/11 sucked. It was horrible and like many of you I watched it unfold on live TV. It was a sucker punch and it worked. Look at what our country has become. We have put our troops in Iraq in an impossible position while at the same time we have all but forgotten about the party responsible for 9/11-Osama Bin Laden. I mean forgotten literally because the president has said as much. What has the invasion of Iraq done for us? our troops? I know what it has done for Haliburton and Blackwater. Have you ever once tried to put your self in the postion of an innocent Iraqi who lost a family member? Have you ever once wondered how they felt? We have lost our way and it's time to get back on the high road and I hope that you will join me and others on election day. This administration is at best inept and at worst criminal and should be held accountable under RULE OF LAW.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Thu, Jun 19, 2008, at 7:10 AM

I must explain that the last two comments I posted were in response to statements made that consisted of vituperative insults that have since been removed from the blog.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Jun 19, 2008, at 12:15 AM

I do have one after thought to my last post to throw out. I long ago observed that those who sling excrement at others most often miss their target, and are left with a stinking hand that few care to shake. As I have continued to observe human folly that observation has been consistently verified.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Jun 18, 2008, at 11:53 PM

I will read every post that makes a point. If I think the point is wrong I will say so, and why. I will not respond to those who are reduced to name calling. I left that behind in oh..the third grade. End of conversation.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Jun 18, 2008, at 11:16 PM

All that and that liberal from okie never did answer my question.

-- Posted by GOCHIEFS on Wed, Jun 18, 2008, at 8:56 PM

What the F said it right, SUSPECTS. Since when is it the American tradition to jail SUSPECTS for years, torture them and then just let them go? That is not the American tradition I know. Some of the fuzzy thinking Revisionists (I won't call them Conservatives because they dishonor the label) are not even able to distinguish the difference between a SUSPECT and a TERRORIST. That is an indication that they are not capable of rational thought concerning the issue. I have been in this land for over six decades and remember when ALL our leaders condemned the very actions that the fuzzy thinking revisionists are now cheering for. During most of my life that kind of rationalization driven by hatred and fear, not courage, only occurred in despotic countries, and was roundly condemned. That is the attitude that aided Hitler in his madness,and was condemned and punished by the free world with my country in the lead. How sad that the terrorists have won the point by infecting some of us with unfounded fear, hatred, and a desire for blind vengeance. How shameful to real patriots that the rest of the free world now despises us because of the actions of the Bush Administration and citizens who applaud and support their inhumanity. Restore habeas corpus, it is a human right, not a law subject to the whims of maniacs.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Jun 18, 2008, at 8:50 PM

sorry kathy that last response was to what the f.......

-- Posted by GOCHIEFS on Wed, Jun 18, 2008, at 8:40 PM

I cannot wait until midnight!

-- Posted by SecretAgentMichaelScarn on Wed, Jun 18, 2008, at 8:40 PM

Kathy, What was journalist Daniel Pearl "suspected" of when they left his rotting corpse on the side of the road? And what did they "suspect" the young contractor of when they chopped off his head on a video which his mother could see? We are not dealing with clear thinking human beings here.We are dealing with religous fanatics almost on the same level as animals.They have been brainwashed to know nothing but to KILL AMERICANS.Sometimes you have to get down in the dirt to flush out your enemys.

-- Posted by GOCHIEFS on Wed, Jun 18, 2008, at 8:39 PM

Terrorism, if proven should be dealt with as harshly as possiable. I do not think rehabilitation is a real option. What is the percentage of rehabilitaion among drug users who once released go home and fall in with the same crowd? Where does a rehabilitated terrorist go? So why keep a terrorist alive at the taxpayers expense? Do you think that they would do the same for you? Your wife? Your children? Personally I have no real solutions on treatment of terrorist or suspected terrorist. Do not think our country should stoop to levels that we have seen people tried for crimes against humanitity in other countries for. Also know that alot of the information that we try to get is time sensitive. So what do we do?

-- Posted by marine1066 on Wed, Jun 18, 2008, at 3:45 PM

I agree w/ OLDOWL & GOCHIEFS. As it is clear, in our own country & world, there is much more widespread downright horrible acts of violence. The acts of our Defense Department is nothing NEW... Only more reported on. The terrorist need to be investigated- sought out- stripped of information- and if they are a proven threat-- keep them locked up. If they strike against our own or an ally w/ intent to kill, they should be killed.

In our own community we see babies beatin, eldery murdered, stabbings & shootings. I don't feel safe... isn't feeling SAFE a right? Our borders should be closed... AMERICAN born companies and OUR jobs brought back inside our borders... the illegals kicked OUT! Forien AID should be CUT, if our help is not respected. THEN they can call us greedy!

Yes- I live in the Midwest. I stand by my BIBLE with my PitchFork in hand- ready to defend myself, my family- friends- and neighbors, for the GOD given right to feel SAFE.

I want to know that the chosen LEADER of the United States of America has AMERICA in his/ her heart. This is a HUGE election. I do PRAY that our Loving GOD gives guidence to every AMERICAN that goes to the polls vote.

-- Posted by nomad on Wed, Jun 18, 2008, at 3:15 PM

Isn't the Keyword actually "suspect"?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Jun 18, 2008, at 3:03 PM

"Wars" as we now know them, have changed dramatically since Vietnam. We now have "armed conflicts" taking place with combatants (if you want to call them that) who wear no uniform and do not abide by any "rules of war." We are also fighting a war on terrorists, who by their nature, are intent on causing terror. In my mind, these terrorists are criminals, not soldiers. For those reasons, I agree with Gochiefs that the rules of war need to be updated to deal with modern day reality. Applying antiquated rules with what goes on in the world today simply does not work!

-- Posted by OldOwl on Wed, Jun 18, 2008, at 1:08 PM

The key word here is TERRORIST suspects. Who have no respect for lives nor rights of others.

-- Posted by GOCHIEFS on Wed, Jun 18, 2008, at 12:58 PM

New Report reveals abuse/torture of detainees. "The report is prefaced by retired U.S. Major Gen. Antonio Taguba, who led the Army's investigation into the Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse scandal in 2003. There is no longer any doubt that the current administration committed war crimes," Taguba says. "The only question is whether those who ordered torture will be held to account." (http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/06/18/gitmo.detainees/index.html)

"We are finding terrorists and bringing them to justice. Anything we do to that end in this effort, any activity we conduct, is within the law. We do not torture." (President George W. Bush) Bush's comments come days after it was disclosed that the CIA is running a network of prisons in Eastern Europe and Asia, where it holds suspects.

Prisoners are being held without charges or legal counsel, abused and intimidated for years and then released. Is this the example of American morals, democracy and constitutional rights we want the world to see?

-- Posted by saline mo on Wed, Jun 18, 2008, at 11:36 AM

notgvnasht,

for somebody who says they are not giving a sht, you sure do like to whine. you are starting to sound like "music" they play at bister migstuffs.

-- Posted by SecretAgentMichaelScarn on Wed, Jun 18, 2008, at 9:29 AM

ntgvnasht sure does seem to think highly of him or herself. typical

-- Posted by Eff Ess on Wed, Jun 18, 2008, at 8:02 AM

notgvnasht - I wasn't talking about you - I was referring to MY error in an earlier post.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Wed, Jun 18, 2008, at 7:57 AM

Hey,Marshall Democat News,did u know there is a Marshall man on trial in Pettis County for assault of a baby.You should get off your rumps and do some reporting,don't you think?Why should we have to read the Sedalia news paper to news from Marshall?

-- Posted by yomomma on Wed, Jun 18, 2008, at 7:19 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Thanks for your help.

The pole question should have Howie Mandel as a possible answer.Obama and Howie are a perfect fit,thier both a JOKE!!!

-- Posted by yomomma on Wed, Jun 18, 2008, at 7:01 AM

Cheetah I have always thought that a straight commodities program is the best way to feed the hungry. For one thing it strips the system of multiple opportunities for graft at each level of a more complex program. Yes, there would be those who swap a chunk of cheese for a bottle of wine (I'll take mine together thank you)but that is petty graft. Also it would (or could) assure that the needy were getting wholesome necessities that could lead to a more healthy diet, and a result inclusive of less medical care. Keep It Simple Stupid.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Jun 17, 2008, at 6:41 PM

From what little research I've done, it appears that flood insurance isn't impossibly expensive, but "expensive" is relative to income, as always. If a nickel is all you have, a nickel is a lot of money. Still, though, against everything you own, flood insurance would seem to be worth it.

And, oh, before the spelling police arrive, I meant wonderEd, not wonderd!

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Tue, Jun 17, 2008, at 5:06 PM

I am uncertain how flood prone areas work and insurance but I would think the insurance would be terribly expensive. So many people are without insurance and this causes the hardships and government assistance probably. When you buy a home, don't you generally have to get a survey and this designates flood plains? I am clueless except that I agree with Kathy, wouldn't take me very long to find another place on higher ground.

I guess some think we live in tornado alley and wonder why we live here.

-- Posted by writerintraining on Tue, Jun 17, 2008, at 4:40 PM

writerintraining - I'm equally astounded at those who live in flood-prone areas who re-build not once but two or even three times after they've lost (or had to dry out) everything they own. I guess they have a right to live where they wish to, but just one flood would be more than sufficient to have me scrambling for higher ground.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Tue, Jun 17, 2008, at 1:48 PM

Ezra,

I'm with you. Last time I checked, all four of those roads you mention lead out of Marshall as well as back into Marshall! It amazes me how people who live in hurricane areas or natural fire prone locations say they wouldn't move for anything. They will rebuild and stay right there. That is hometown dedication.

-- Posted by writerintraining on Tue, Jun 17, 2008, at 8:49 AM

howdy youins:

Well seems this here person from the philippines don't like us hometown folks. nothin ever changes round here sept the traffic light at english and arrow. Guess he aint never visited Jim the Wonder Dawg place downtown. Why, I hear tell you can drive around the country now and see some quilts hangin on the barns out there. Supposed to bring in the tourists by the busload. Now we got to put up with all that diesel smoke and weird people with cameras hangin round their necks wantin to take my pitcher.

Oh well, one good thing about Marshall is the fact that we have a road goin north, one goin south, one goin east and one goin west..and if ya don't like our town, just pick one and it will take you someplace you just might like. Make sense?...Or maybe they can catch JJ with his new tie on. I'm sure it would be purty.

Good nite.. Ezra Cornscrabble

-- Posted by Ezracornscrabble on Tue, Jun 17, 2008, at 1:18 AM

the new nascar blog is awesome!

-- Posted by Eff Ess on Sun, Jun 15, 2008, at 9:39 PM

JJ, you deserve better then that! Don't sell yourself short.

Happy Father's Day btw.

-- Posted by get a clue on Sun, Jun 15, 2008, at 8:12 PM

Wow, I haven't been to Marshall in a long time and can see that nothing there has changed. It is quite comical to see someone talking about someone not having a life when the person making that comment takes the time to read and post a comment on it. I can tell you right now I don't have a life before you get started on me. I am a writer and work at home. One bonus though is that I now live in the Philippines in Manila so get to enjoy a wonderful climate year round and some of the most beautiful beaches in the world. So I guess not having a life is not too bad! ;) And good for you JJ for saying humans, as you notice the biggest change in Marshall in the last 30 years has been a Super Wal-mart (whoop-de-doo). Small minds bring about lack of change, and that is what those people want. Get the heck out of that town JJ while you are still young! Don't let that cesspool of hell trap you like it trapped me in the past. I finally escaped and am so glad. I just check this site on occasion because my mother still lives in that little hole in the wall town. I am surprised the editor has not gotten rid of notgvnasht (not giving a s**t) just because of the vulgarity of his name. JJ, you are very opinionated and that is good, you should be writing for someone who pays you instead of wasting your breath stirring the pot in that hell-hole. Anyway, I am done ranting, I wish all of you the best and I hope that town will come out of the Dark Ages someday! One last note, notice that notgvnasht said ewe (pronounced you, like the sheep), which should be eww and only girls and effeminate or gay guys typically say that, lol. Peace out all!

-- Posted by riclin1 on Sun, Jun 15, 2008, at 6:01 AM

Hey JJ you should give internet dating a shot.

-- Posted by tigger2118 on Fri, Jun 13, 2008, at 8:08 PM

I see JJ Gates is still without a life how sad.

-- Posted by tigger2118 on Fri, Jun 13, 2008, at 8:02 PM

Well JJ, at least you are consistent. Then again sophmoric humor coupled with ignorance is nothing to be proud of.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, Jun 13, 2008, at 4:49 PM

Yes JJ! By all means let's reward the republican efforts of the past 8 years with 4 more years in office. What the hell is wrong with you? Are you so ingrained into party politcs that what's good for the whole is irrelevant as long as your side wins? This admistration has given about as much creedence to our constitution as one does to toilet paper. Does that matter to you in the least? We wrongly invaded a nation to spread "democracy" "freedom" and the "rule of law" while those responsible for the invasion have shown nothing but contempt for those very principles. They seemingly feel no shame for that is a burden left for the American people to carry. I am deeply ashamed and I'm not afraid to say it. You sadden me in that you either feel no shame or refuse to awknowledge your true feelings in an attempt to make sure your team wins. Are you better off now then you were 8 years ago or is that a loaded question because it's possible at that time you were oblivious to anything past your sippy cup and dirty diapers? I would really love to know specifically why you think the repuclicans have earned the right to stay in power. Will you give a straight answer or will it be yet another fumbling attempt at wit.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Fri, Jun 13, 2008, at 11:43 AM

NanaDot,

I know about Kucinich's attempt to get Congress to impeach Cheney. Also quixotic. Almost the definition of the term, I think. Not because he's wrong but because he's pursuing ideals that have no practical chance of being realized. "Spittin' in the wind," is perhaps another appropriate term.

It's sad indeed that upholding the Constitution has become such a remote possibility, but there it is. There we are.

FWIW, I'm wearing my Kucinich T-shirt today in honor of such foolhardy but admirable efforts.

-- Posted by Eric Crump on Fri, Jun 13, 2008, at 9:49 AM

Quote of the day:

"Why so unwilling to impeach Bush? As Democratic leaders like to say, two words: Dick Cheney." -- Dana Milbank, http://tinyurl.com/5vmvtu

Dennis Kucinich really was the perfect guy to introduce articles of impeachment. The effort (and the guy) could be listed as examples in the dictionary under the definition of "quixotic."

Although Milbank cites Democrats' fear of the term "President Dick Cheney" as the main reason they haven't attempted to impeach Bush, in a strange twist of fate, it seems that the GOP's impeachment of Bill Clinton has served as a sort of inocculation for George Bush, protecting him from the impeachment virus, however richly critics think he might deserve it.

The Clinton impeachment was divisive and did more to harm the standing of the GOP than it did Clinton or the Democratic Party. I think the Democratic leaders now may think that being right will be irrelevant if it costs them too many votes.

Such are the calculations politicians must make, I guess.

-- Posted by Eric Crump on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 5:47 PM

Oooo! Ow! You got me! I guess now I'll have to sell my computer never to post here again.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 2:31 PM

All of us people with real jobs need to start working long and harder days!! The millions on welfare are depending us!!

-- Posted by yomomma on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 2:20 PM

Who really cares?!!

-- Posted by yomomma on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 2:12 PM

To those of you who ever wondered where I came up with my screen name or why then you will understand next time you fill up.

Oil and gas prices have more than doubled in three years but you cannot tell me that consumption has doubled in three years.

Greed. Unregulated,astromical greed and a weak dollar. Maybe it's time to treat oil as we do other utilities that are crucial to our national security. I like many of you have cut back unescessary driving, we use a clothesline as much as possible and I won't turn on the A/C until I can just can't sleep because of it. Usage has dropped. Right now were are at the mercy of specuation.Has anyone seen any gas stations out of gas?

-- Posted by What the f...... on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 6:51 AM

Bob James and his band Fourplay will be performing at the Rhythm and Ribs festival this weekend in KC. I believe they perform Friday night. He's a Marshall native and a world reknown jazz artist.

-- Posted by oneofmany on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 1:32 AM

Drilling for oil in the Anwar area of Alaska would be no quick fix for our current problem. It will not stop our climb toward five bucks per gallon gasoline. As the oil shortage is only going to get worse due to finite reserves, it seems prudent that we at least forestall drilling there until we really get desperate. It also seems to me that there is a connection between our national mind set to spend, spend, spend,and to hell with saving any money, we want it now, and the eager rush to drill in Anwar now, we want it now. I guess my opinion is too conservative for many but should we not save some of our oil reserves for a truly rainy day? Meanwhile if we really want the closest thing to a quick fix to rising fuel prices we must pressure Congress to regulate the unregulated greedy oil speculators whom most economists and other experts in the field say have driven oil far above its natural price based on actual demand. Once again we never learn our lesson. There are stark parallels between the current situation and the housing bubble that just burst. I would like to see just once the Christian fundementalists and other moralists jump on the sin of greed as passionately as they do their pet sins. With their help maybe they and the rest of us conservative progressives could put a stop to the problems caused by this nutty speculation and spending. It is madness.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Jun 11, 2008, at 11:15 PM

As a follow up to my prior post please consider the point that preemptive wars are always accompanied by unintended and unexpected consequences. Viet Nam was a glaring example. Our Iraq invasion even more so. It never sinks in to some thick skulls. Unfortunately those thick skulled ones who personally avoided Viet Nam, and hence avoided its lesson repeated the mistake in Iraq.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Jun 11, 2008, at 9:56 PM

A more apt historical reference is the fall of the Roman Empire. Rome over extended itself in foreign wars which resulted in its destruction. Another historical reference even more on point is the fall of the British Empire. They bragged that the sun never sets on the British Empire. In their arrogance they sailed off to Africa to conquer the Boers ignoring the cautions of wise men who warned of folly and lack of preparation. They engaged the Boers rag tag militia to their own chagrin. Then the sun began to set on the British Empire.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Jun 11, 2008, at 9:35 PM

I, too, am in favor of drilling for oil in Alaska and elsewhere. However, I have been told that if the go-ahead was given today for the drilling, then it would be 5 years before any of that oil would hit the marketplace. We face the same problem with increasing the fuel efficiency of vehicles. Anyone care to guess what gas might cost 5 years from now?

-- Posted by OldOwl on Wed, Jun 11, 2008, at 4:40 PM

Someone just let me know when we are going to start seeing this "new gold" from Iraq. All I can see is gas at $5.00 a gallon and more with no end in sight, regardless of who is in the White House in January!

-- Posted by OldOwl on Wed, Jun 11, 2008, at 2:33 PM

Hey everyone, its time to gas up again. Gas prices have gone down a few pennies, that means they are about to go up 10 cents. That seems to be the pattern.

-- Posted by tommob on Wed, Jun 11, 2008, at 12:04 PM

This morning on the "Today Show" Sen. McCain was asked when we could expect to begin withdrawing troops from Iraq. To my great surprise, his response was "No, that's not too important." It may not be "too important" to him, but it is certainly important to the troops who are there and their families at home! He also "went out on a limb" and speculated that gas prices will go higher, but he still thinks a gas tax holiday is a great idea. Do we really want this guy sitting in the Oval Office? I'm concerned!

-- Posted by OldOwl on Wed, Jun 11, 2008, at 12:02 PM

Rebooted Speak Out again. We had 160 comments between May 23 and June 11. Let the conversation resume!

-- Posted by Eric Crump on Wed, Jun 11, 2008, at 11:06 AM


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