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Speak Out May 23 through June 11, 2008

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notgvnasht, sorry for the late reply to your comments. I've had a similar problem with a boy tormenting my daughter at school. When it caused my daughter to not want to go to school all of the parents ended up in the principals office. Even there in the principals office the boy's parents assured everyone that they have dealt with their son, that he just doesn't always do as he's told. The mother said, "they have tried their best they just don't have any control over their son. That seemed to satisfy the principal but I had my doubts. One the way out of the school I kindly mentioned to the father that if it ever happened again that I was going to come over to his house and kick tls out of him. We never had another problem!

Also, some parents act like, "go ahead and sue me and see what you get." Other parents feel like their judgment proof. You might remind them that they could end up walking every where they want to go and they just might end up sleeping on the floor because every thing in their house could end up in your possession. At least that will give them something to ponder.

-- Posted by John Q. on Sun, Jun 29, 2008, at 3:45 AM

CJAY, I was suprised to hear about the disruption at the Marhall High School Graduation. It has to make you wonder when will those kids that were too loud will grow up?

However, I also wonder if punishing the kids for non-violent, vocalizing is right and just (or legal). While you and I may find it annoying, we should not forget that 1st Amendment protections apply to even annoying speech. In fact, the Founding Fathers designed it to protect unpopular speech because after all if it was welcomed vocalizing, it wouldn't need to be protected. While none of the kids in the artcle link you posted decided to battle their punishments in the Courts, that does not mean that their treatment was not a violation of our 1st Amendment protections.

Frankly, I think to punish anyone for something they write or say is clearly a violation of the 1st Amendment and in most cases its hard to see how it couldn't be. Perhaps one day one of these cases will end up in Courts and we will find the answer. In the meantime, I would suggest that the parents of these kids deal with it in an appropriate fashion -- at home. I know how my Parents would have reacted and it would have not pleasant.

-- Posted by news across the neocon empire on Fri, Jun 20, 2008, at 5:29 PM

I'm a little behind on reading the recent posts. Wow, the level of discussion has certainly been raised to reflect Marshall's true level of intelligence. Oops! That will probably get someone started on a topic that will destroy that notion! Anyway, Nomad, your concern about the Holocaust being excluded from our classroom instruction is definitely not happening in Missouri classrooms. One of the most valued pieces of literature for many eighth grade classrooms is THE DIARY OF ANNE FRANK. The Holocaust is covered in depth with literature as well as in social studies books.

-- Posted by oneofmany on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 1:13 AM

I remember reading some posts on here a few weeks ago about disruptions and rude people at the Marshall High School graduation. Then tonight I found this article about a high school in South Carolina where police arrested people in attendance for cheering to loud in the middle of the ceremony. These people are all facing charges of disorderly conduct. There was also a high school in Illinois that withheld student's diplomas if they were cheered for during the ceremony. These students were made to do public service for the school district to receive their diploma. I am not sure how legal it is to punish someone (the student) for the act of another (the parent, sibling, friend or an enemy trying to get them in trouble), but maybe Marshall could have the police patrol the ceremony and remove all those not following the rules, and this includes standing in the way of those sitting. Here is the link to the story.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,3654...

Eric, or whoever post the poll question, maybe this can be a poll question to see what the readers think should be done.

Here are my four options:

1. Do nothing

2. Remove the person from the ceremony

3. Have police arrest all who violate and charge them with disorderly conduct

4. Punish the student for the actions of his family and friends by making him do "public service" for the school before receiving their diploma.

-- Posted by cjay on Wed, Jun 11, 2008, at 1:18 AM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
Thanks for the poll question suggestion! I'm always looking for new ones. I'd like to change it more frequently than we do.

notgvnasht,

Most people today don't parent. They want to be their kids friend. My kid hated my rules because the other kids got away with everything and he didn't. I had a kid lay down in the back of a pickup truck one day and when I drove by he threw a snowball at my vehicle. It hit right in my driver's side door with a hard, loud thump! It came out of nowhere and startled the heck out of me! When I stopped he said, "I didn't do anything!" I asked if you didn't do anything then why are you concerned that I've stopped?" This snowball may have had rocks or something in it that could've caused damage to my vehicle; or on the slick, snow-covered roadways with it coming out of nowhere it could have caused me to turn my steering wheel as a reaction and I could have had an accident. When I spoke to the child's mother she just made him come inside. I'm sure as soon as I left he was right back out throwing snowballs at cars again. It seems to me a lot of parents have the same attitude as your screen name!

-- Posted by Typesetter on Tue, Jun 10, 2008, at 9:21 PM

Congress overcame Bush's veto of the farm bill by overriding it. The Democrats did it with the help of some Republicans. Area farmers may be interested to know that John McCain could not be bothered to vote either way on the measure.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Jun 10, 2008, at 7:41 PM

JJ I appreciate your mastery of lower case levity. Was a book of e e cumming's poetry your first reader? I am glad that you recognized the seriousness of the problem concerning our waning democratic way of life. I am glad you felt that was the worst point to ponder you had ever encountered. If everyone took those words as seriously as you apparently did, the American people would be able to stop in its tracks the corporate cancer that is killing our democracy.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Jun 10, 2008, at 6:19 PM

It's always puzzled me that in my home state of New Jersey, which doesn't allow you to fill your own tank, gas is always cheaper than here in the Midwest. Also puzzling - the cost of gas in Wisconsin, where my daughter lives in a town close to the Iowa border, is usually 15 to 20 cents per gallon higher than Dubuque, Iowa, where she works. IMHO, no matter how you slice it or dice it, or how you "explain" the differences from place to place, the price of gas is pretty much pure baloney.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Tue, Jun 10, 2008, at 5:15 PM

did the video professor thing.....don't do it i had to jump thr all kinds of hoops to get my money back after the 30 day trial and after returning the product they still wanted to charge for it, very hard to contact even by phone!!

-- Posted by marshallite on Tue, Jun 10, 2008, at 11:37 AM

A Point To Ponder

Definition:

Democracy; Government BY THE PEOPLE, usually through elected representatives of THE PEOPLE.

Corporatocracy; Government by large corporations, when government and big business are the same. Akin to fascism.

Conservatives, Liberals, Libertarians, Green Party Members, Republicans, Democrats, we all have one thing in common. The desire for, and the need for Democracy. Considering the above definitions which form of government is in place in our country?

Is Democracy in danger of being lost in America? Learn who pays the big dollars to the candidates who ask for your vote. If their money does not come from THE PEOPLE do not give them your vote. Save Democracy.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Jun 9, 2008, at 11:44 PM

Politically, I am still undecided. I will have to watch the debates between the two. Thanks JJ for the definition... I'll rely on the text version, though.

-- Posted by nomad on Mon, Jun 9, 2008, at 5:41 PM

Cheetah - even stranger, there actually is a web site. Just google "video professor." Still, the fact they don't use the web address in the ad gives you a good idea of how computer-challenged Sherer thinks his customers really are, doesn't it?

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Mon, Jun 9, 2008, at 5:30 PM

Here's another very good reason to check things out, no matter what anyone else says. Nomad - regarding the Holocaust, please see this: http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/...

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Mon, Jun 9, 2008, at 3:23 PM

Nomad- One of a people having no permanent home and moving from place to place... a wanderer.

I have a roof over my family, we are not needey, just trying to get by as everyone else out here. I am however, unsettled. NOT a homeless person.

I recently read, that a group of persons have the Supreme Court convinced that the "Holocaust" against the Jews did not happen. This is to be taken out of our history lessons. I believe this is an insult to the Americans, we aided to end this horrible event!

-- Posted by nomad on Mon, Jun 9, 2008, at 1:45 PM

As I said... I do not trust either running for the Presidency.

-- Posted by nomad on Mon, Jun 9, 2008, at 1:19 PM

JJ - I'm not going to mention my political preference here. I just wanted to bring attention to the fact that nomad had objections to Obama on the grounds he hadn't spent his entire life in America. By that standard, nobody who's served overseas (and in our country, that's largely military men and women and their families, including yours truly) could be president, including Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Carter and George H.W. Bush, to name a few.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Mon, Jun 9, 2008, at 1:14 PM

John McCain did not live his entire life in America, either, having been a guest at the "Hanoi Hilton" for several years.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Mon, Jun 9, 2008, at 11:07 AM

I do not care that Obama is a "black" man. I do care that he did not live his entire life in AMERICA. Regardless, of his age during that time or why. I do not trust in what he says, nor, do I trust in McCain.

-- Posted by nomad on Mon, Jun 9, 2008, at 10:34 AM

JJ, you are right that it all can't be blamed on the Bush Administration. It goes much deeper than that, to the Corporatocracy that we have become, as our Democracy languishes. Washington is the establishment. No real change will start there, real change will be resisted there. Real change must start all across America, and sweep our nation like a progressive prairie fire. Washington only latchs on to what has previously transpired in our nation. We the people must put the pressure on them to do our bidding. At the present most there are beholden to corporate interests who feed them the bribes, ehr I mean donations, to assure their continued survival in Washington. Reacting to grass roots pressure, and at the behest of Obama the Democratic National Committee has just returned all donations made to the party by lobbyists, and will not accept any more. That is a start. Why has the Republican National Committee not done the same thing? Does the fact that McCain's campaign staff is chock full of lobbyists have anything to do with it?

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Jun 9, 2008, at 12:06 AM

If you are really interested to learn why we got into this awful mess, and how to get out of it I strongly suggest a new book by David Sirota. If you wish Google him to first find out a bit about him. Regarding the statement that the American people elected Bush twice, it just is not true. The Supreme Court awarded him his first term, rejecting the Democractic Party's plea that all the votes in Florida be recounted. Had that been done Al Gore would have been president. There would have been no Iraq War, and it is very likely that many other of the horrendous errors perpetrated by the Bush Administation would have been avoided. The Bush second term is also suspect. The things that went on in Ohio, the state that put him over the top were mind blowing. If you have not had a belly full by now all hope may be lost. John McCain voted with the Bush position ninety percent of the time. Does anyone think his administration would differ much from Bush? McCain tries to present himself as a maverick. What maverick ever voted with his master ninety percent of the time? Heck I've had good dogs that weren't that obedient.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sun, Jun 8, 2008, at 11:39 PM

as usual, JJ turns out to be the better person.

-- Posted by SecretAgentMichaelScarn on Sun, Jun 8, 2008, at 10:34 PM

BOOYAH JJ

-- Posted by GOCHIEFS on Sun, Jun 8, 2008, at 10:21 PM

AMEN JJ..........I nwent fishin today...they werent biting.....guess that was George W's. fault too. notgvnasht was catchin lots of fish.I guess jesus feeds the fools.

-- Posted by GOCHIEFS on Sun, Jun 8, 2008, at 10:12 PM

notgiving, you are absolutely right! We can only blame President Bush for advances in communications and transportation over the past century. I cannot believe he got us into this mess called a global economy.

-- Posted by SecretAgentMichaelScarn on Sun, Jun 8, 2008, at 4:33 PM

My family and I have decided to boycott Halmark cards. If they want to move some of their jobs to Mexico and Asia then they can rely on those wonderful people to buy their cards as well.

What I do not understand.. How do they come to the conclusion this will make them more $$??? Fuel costs are up!

-- Posted by nomad on Sun, Jun 8, 2008, at 12:48 PM

I just made a trip to St. Louis this week and decided to test out the theories posed by several recent articles on saving gasoline. I drove 60 miles and hour and used my cruise control almost all the time. I kept the windows closed and used the air conditioner minimally. (You can forget that minimally for me when it gets really hot this summer.) According to the articles, this would get me there in close to the same amount of time and save me gas while doing so.

The trip usually takes three hours when I drive at 70 miles an hour (sometimes 72 mph). At 60 miles an hour, it took three hours! I was surprised and even more so when I realized I had used almost a 5 gallons less gas!

Another benefit of driving at 60 is that it is very relaxing because you have almost no traffic near you. They all go around you and leave you to the open road. And even more interesting is that I saw many of the same cars later when I was nearing my destination and they were required to drive at slower rates. It was kind of like the turtle and the hare story -- slow and steady wins the race. Although in this scenario, slow and steady saved lots of money!

I suggest everyone try this out for themself.

-- Posted by hat full of sky on Sat, Jun 7, 2008, at 7:27 AM

Realist - I must agree with you. Hiring Coach Hart was a smart move by the district and I hope that he is not run off again by parents. He is definitely a coach that is going to play an athlete based on their ability and not their last name (that is the way it should be), however,that does not settle well in this town. Maybe the administrators will support Coach Hart in his decisions, but I won't hold my breath.

-- Posted by kobe on Fri, Jun 6, 2008, at 10:55 PM

It's great that everyone is excited about the return of Coach Hart. What he will bring to high school teams may take time to surface into wins but his way of doing things will be seen immediately, especially on the youth level. You can't build a solid program without a strong youth program. Teaching strong fundamentals. That's how he did it before and that's how it will have to get done again. That way you create more players, deeper teams. Then when you have a kid who doesn't want to "buy in" to the system, you can tell him intramurals starts in a month if he wants to do it his way. And oh by the way, he requires his players to be good citizens and good students. He'll finish the season with 4 players before he'll waiver on that.

And he will get this done. And then when some stickin' parent pushes him and his staff out again because their non-dribbling non-shooting kid isn't getting enough "PT", we will have to rehire him when he's in his 70's to straighten it out all over again.

And on that note, I think something that has slipped passed alot of people is the start of a high school level traveling baseball team. Maybe people don't realize this but Marshall was filled in the 70's and 80's with good ,and some great baseball players, who could do nothing more than play a few games in the summer before it was a school sport. And we are talking highly competitive teams. If any of you ever saw "Bubba" Mason swing a ball bat then you probably appreciate the game. (For those of you that don't know Marshall sports history, if he's not the greatest athlete we produced he's on the short list) We as a town need to support what Ian Verts, (and yes ironically his nickname is Bubba also) is doing. I hope to see a day where we return to having two and three strong traveling teams at different age groups and Mr. Verts has started the ball rolling. Kudos to him for doing it his way also. If you are going to be the chief, you don't need a group of people telling you what "your way" is. It will take time but I believe he too will get his sport moving back in the right direction.

-- Posted by a realist on Fri, Jun 6, 2008, at 6:12 PM

AMEN RUBY REDD!!! I am sure all of the coaches of the world would agree with your

blog. This will most likely not ever happen, ony in a perfect world you know where parents make their kids respect others, work hard and don't expect everything to be handed to them. By the way I like your statement about the spam.

-- Posted by allsmiles on Fri, Jun 6, 2008, at 2:52 PM

Smokin' Cheetah, that's the one that I was thinking about. Copy that and email it to Eric as a letter to the editor along with your own personal prelude and postlude.

-- Posted by John Q. on Fri, Jun 6, 2008, at 1:24 PM

Smokin' Cheetah, After the dismal news of American jobs lost today I think it would be appropriate to send your comment about foreign products as a letter to the editor. That way it would have a wider readership in the paper. Just a thought.

-- Posted by John Q. on Fri, Jun 6, 2008, at 9:56 AM

I am more than pleased that Mr. Hart is the new coach. He is a wonderful person, teacher, and dedicated coach. Kudos to him for accepting this challenging, time consuming, and under appreciated position.

It sounds as if a "Miracle" is supposed to happen with the basketball team. In the past, when our school had a team with a winning record, there was only a few sports available. Today, there are many sports offered in the fall and the most talented players many chose other sports. Many students do not put academics, respect, attendance, and hard work at the top of their priority list! When did having students who skip school, miss practice, have poor in and out of school behavior, terrible language, lack of talent, and failing grades become acceptable? I bet at least 1/2 of the team players fit in more than one of the above and their parents will expect them to be able to play!

Let's talk about parents. Some parents expect their child to play every second of a game. Just because you think your child has talent doesn't make it so. Only 5 players can be on the court at a time. Let the coaches to what's best for the TEAM!! Don't draw attention to yourself and your child by using bad language, blaming the coach or ref, or bad mouthing everyone from the stands.

Before you complain, pick up that phone, call a board member, or start a Mr. Hart bashing blog, realize that he and all the other coaches are human. You can't make a gormet dinner with a can of spam, a rotten potato, a kernal of corn, and an unlit lump of charcoal! There is only one Herb Brooks!

-- Posted by rubyred on Fri, Jun 6, 2008, at 8:37 AM

I thought this might be worth posting in case anyone else is wondering about how our website functions. I received this anonymous comment this morning:

"Why is it that any time there is an article on Slater- it gets removed off the main page with in a day. The articles that are on there now have been there for days- shouldn't the Slater Council article have at least went to "this weeks most read articles" instead of just getting swept under the rug, 1 day after it was posted? Hmmm."

The length of time story links appear on the front page of the site under "Local headlines" is determined by how many stories are posted. That is, when the space available is full, the next story posted bumps the lowest (usually oldest) story off the display.

We have some control over that. We can keep important stories on the front page longer than usual by increasing their priority, but we do that very rarely. For the most part, we're interested in getting new information on the front page as often as possible and won't artificially keep older stories displayed.

The "most read" stories are displayed based on the number of "hits" the story gets, so that's something readers determine, not us. Stories that are read often get listed, and those that get read often over a period of days tend to be displayed longer.

-- Posted by Eric Crump on Fri, Jun 6, 2008, at 8:08 AM

Kudos for the caring & brave person(s) who made the call to the authorities about the conditions this child was living in.

I believe they did the right thing by sending help.

My prayers go out to the child, those appointed to provide for the child and the parent(s) of the child.

-- Posted by nomad on Thu, Jun 5, 2008, at 5:02 PM

Old Owl and a few others on here about Coach Hart, you all mention work ethic

and he will get Marshall bball back where it used to be? Coach Hart is a good person/teacher/coach but he is no miracle worker. We have strong coaches in our district now that require much of the athletes along the lines of hard work. But these kidos today do not want to work hard much less break a sweat! And don't ask them run too far or too often. Coach Hart may get to see this first hand in his own kid who I hear will be playing. I am from the old school and back in the Cecil & Hart days you could yank a kid up by his collar and some even cursed at the kids as I recall Coach Har being able to do then, but again that was a different time. Things have changed and Coach Hart will find out very soon that his coaching style may have to change with the times and not to get frustrated or the community get down on him when this happens. ALL SMILES

-- Posted by allsmiles on Thu, Jun 5, 2008, at 4:30 PM

First of all, good comment Intrigued. Sounds like someone is a little jealous and bitter. Secondly , What is so wrong with the ad for the contest? I think it looks fine and very professional. What do want glossy print with a celebrity endorsement?

-- Posted by GOCHIEFS on Thu, Jun 5, 2008, at 10:29 AM

Odette,first of all, I don't understand how you can dictate the "right" thing for the board to do. You said that the board members are there to represent the people and that they must put their personal feelings aside, maybe that's why they're on the board and you aren't. You apparently can't put personal feelings aside because you've already concluded that the teachers are guilty and it would be impossible for you to have all the facts.

Second of all, the vacation bug. You obviously have a problem with the green eyed monster of jealousy. You keep harping on the fact that they took a vacation to Cancun with their family. Maybe you should have spent some of your summertime taking a class in financial management. It's not one bit of your business or anyone else's what any teacher does on their time off. And while you were taking your class in financial management, you should have set your next summer goal to be a class in Economics. I bet these teachers do make more than you did, it's called inflation and cost of living increases. You know, a lot of people get a raise every year to offset the natural inflation of necessities. You know, I bet you didn't pay $3.68 for gas when you retired. I also bet you didn't pay $4.00 for a gallon of milk. Come on Odette, if you have a legitimate and evidentially founded reason to criticize these individuals, then more power to you. But, if you're going to bash them for having a better life than you, well, you should go get some counseling.

-- Posted by intrigued on Thu, Jun 5, 2008, at 8:48 AM

Hopefully when the board meets this Friday(June 6th) they will do the right thing and not let people who cheat, create cliques, and basically set rules for themselves or their group to TEACH! I have heard if you are not in this special group it is quite miserable to teach in this building.

The board has a moral obligation to do what is right in this whole EW situation because of our children(or grandchildren) are at stake. As elected board members these individuals represent the people and all personal feelings must be put aside in this matter....

Also DO I need to come out of retirement because it seems to me Marshall teachers are making a higher salary than I ever did .....Trips to Cancun???? I was lucky to make it to the lake 1 week in July with my children in tow before August! My summers were used to take college classes or to prepare for the upcoming school year! I could not even imagine Cancun with my entire family on a teacher's salary ( I have a Master's)

Something is wrong if teacher's do not have enough materials, enough classroom staffing, or enough textbooks but they have enough money from their salaries to take off on exotic vacations.....

-- Posted by Odette on Thu, Jun 5, 2008, at 8:05 AM

These new contest advertised at this link seem like a fun way to get your readers involved.

http://www.marshallnews.com/display/13

however, i thought the Democrat-News was a legitimate newspaper. the advertisements at that link look very amateur. i love the paper and i love the site. i don't want to see the Democrat-News take a nosedive with graphics like these.

-- Posted by Eff Ess on Wed, Jun 4, 2008, at 8:52 PM

Way to go Scott Lathem!

-- Posted by tommob on Wed, Jun 4, 2008, at 12:34 PM

Welcome back Kevin Hart!

-- Posted by tommob on Wed, Jun 4, 2008, at 10:55 AM

With Mr. Hart returning I sure hope these kids are up to the challange. He is a great coach, hard working and whole hearted!

-- Posted by nomad on Wed, Jun 4, 2008, at 10:14 AM

Welcome back to Kevin "Sweet" Hart. I just want to second everything that has already been said about Coach Hart. He is a class act and I am confident he can bring Marshall basketball back to where it should be! Go Owls!

-- Posted by OldOwl on Wed, Jun 4, 2008, at 9:50 AM

I agree,Kevin Hart is a great man.I had him as a teacher and i was blessed to have such a great role model.Granted it was just gym class but he worked hard with me.He was very determined to make sure that a good work ethic was instilled in me.Beleive me i was a real challenge.I was the fat kid.

He is not the only teacher that did their best to help me.There is a long list of teacher that cared enough to try to make things better for me.I just wish that they didn't have to retire or move on.Marshall needs good teachers like Kevin Hart.I also had his wife as my 7th grade language arts teacher.She is just as dedicated to her students.

There are lots of other teachers that have the same dedication to their students.

-- Posted by once_removed on Wed, Jun 4, 2008, at 7:51 AM

If McCain is elected I wouldn't be surprised at all if he reinistated the draft.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Wed, Jun 4, 2008, at 6:19 AM

To those of you that are going all out in your attacks on Barack Obama. Shame on you for not fact checking your statements before spreading your stories. Do you not know that you will be exposed and with each exposure your credibility will be eroded further. Keep it up and eventually you will be a victim of self induced assassination of your own character instead of Obama's. Please, just go to Snopes.com one time and get the facts. There are scores of e mails floating around about Obama. Most are lies. He like every other human is flawed, is not perfect. There are legitimate factual ways to criticize him. Find a vote he cast that you disagree with. Explain why you think it was wrong. You demean yourselves when you lazily repeat email lies. Then you will get mad when those who know the truth poke fun at your ignorance. Don't bring that junk to the blog. You will be called on it every time.

Let me give you an example of what I am talking about. Recently Senator Jim Webb, a conservative Democrat, and decorated Nam vet sponsored a bill that would give our Iraq war vets a G.I. education bill that would be roughly equivalent to the one that was bestowed upon our returning World War II vets. History has established that those benefits played no small part in bringing on the golden years of America. The Republican candidate for president, John McCain announced that he would vote against the bill. His reason was that the benefits were so good that we would lose too many soldiers from the military because they would leave to go to college. He even cited a survey to back up his position. Survey says;sixteen percent would leave to go to school. He neglected to say that the same survey also said that sixteen percent more recruits would join the military to take advantage of the enhanced benefits, making it a wash. You didn't know that? It is true check it out. Nothing has been asked of the American people to support our troops except that we put a magnetic ribbon on our cars, and oh yes for we parents that had a kid over there (me for one) to provide critical items to the soldiers out of our pockets that Rumsfield would not. The least we should do is give an education break to those who have given so much. I find McCain's position repulsive. I do not see how any one could vote for a man such as McCain that exhibits such disdain for our troops. What a hypocrite.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Jun 4, 2008, at 4:46 AM

Finally, after all of the negativity concerning the Marshall School District something positive!

Welcome back Kevin Hart! A better choice could not have been made. The man is the definition of old school hard work, class, discipline, integrity and an all around good guy.

If your kid has ever or ever will have the opportunity to be coached or taught by Mr. Hart, consider yourself and your child very fortunate and blessed. Teachers, coaches and men should be modeled after this guy.

If the school board would have had the good sense to hire him as the superintendent long ago the district most likely would not be in the mess it is now.

Thank you and good luck Mr. Hart!

-- Posted by Cheese on Wed, Jun 4, 2008, at 3:51 AM

Long ago when America consisted mostly of farms and agrarian villages the most despised person in the community was the village gossip. The irreparable harm they occasioned was the bane of every hamlet. The gossip's malicious mind would twist some innocent remark, or engage in outright fabrication, then attribute it to the person they wanted to harm. The gossip knew every person in the community, and sought out those who were ignorant,those who were stupid, those of indolent mind, and especially those with a malevolent bend of mind similar to the gossip's own. The gossip whispered the story to each of these. They each aided and abetted the gossip in their own manner. Within the community the stupid were forgiven or should have been. The community chose to look askance at the ignorant and those of lazy mind, or should have. A special distaste for the gossip and those like minded creatures resulted in their ostracization at the least, and sometimes they were chased from the village with hurled stones speeding them on their way.

We now have a new kind of village in America. It is the weblog. At its best it fosters a civil exchange of ideas which benefits us all. At its worst it has given the gossip and the minions of gossips another chance to rear their nasty heads, and spread their harming lies. Barack Obama for a number of base reasons will be their special target. Gossips deserve no better treatment today than they recieved in yesteryear. I for one will follow the early custom.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Jun 4, 2008, at 3:20 AM

If the school board stays out of Coach Harts way, and the kids want to dedicate themselves to the program, Marshall will have a very competitive team within three years. For all of those who will eventually complain because their kid is not playing enough, I beg you in advance to shut up. If your kid is the best at his position, he will start there. If your kid is second best, he will come off of the bench. If your kid is not good, he will be on J.V. or not playing. This is not little league. There is no rule that all players have to play! Coach is a very fair person and will play your son if he is good enough. Don't think that because you own a business, or you have money that your son should get more playing time than another kid gets. I have said enough. Good luck Coach and I hope you have a great season. Oh and kids, go to the camps and listen. You will learn a lot from this man!

-- Posted by cjay on Wed, Jun 4, 2008, at 12:53 AM

Finally, after all of the negativity concerning the Marshall School District something positive!

Welcome back Kevin Hart! A better choice could not have been made. The man is the definition of old school hard work, class, discipline, integrity and an all around good guy.

If your kid has ever or ever will have the opportunity to be coached or taught by Mr. Hart, consider yourself and your child very fortunate and blessed. Teachers, coaches and men should be modeled after this guy.

If the school board would have had the good sense to hire him as the superintendent long ago the district most likely would not be in the mess it is now.

Thank you and good luck Mr. Hart!

-- Posted by Cheese on Wed, Jun 4, 2008, at 12:39 AM

Paragraph 4 is where he includes small towns in the midwest...and the last I checked...that would be us. I don't cling to either guns or religion and what offends me is the blanket characterization that we are some sort of right wing, extremist wackos because we live in small town America.

All in all, a pretty dumb thing for someone who considers himself such an intellectual to say.

-- Posted by outsider on Tue, Jun 3, 2008, at 5:11 PM

Here's you a link to read for his actual comments.

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/04/11/...

Saying I'm offended because I want to be....is a silly statement.

-- Posted by outsider on Tue, Jun 3, 2008, at 5:06 PM

Acutally I believe the comment was directed at Pennsylvania voters, not the midwest. Maybe you are offended because you choose to be. Maybe he's right? Maybe it's because people in this country put way too much emphasis on guns and god in terms of what quilifies someone to be a good leader or not.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Tue, Jun 3, 2008, at 3:22 PM

Personally, I took offense to Obama stereo-typing small-town, midwestern voters as people who "cling to guns and religion". Not exactly a "racist" remark, but it makes you wonder whether he was paying more attention to the Rev Wright than he now claims to have been.

-- Posted by outsider on Tue, Jun 3, 2008, at 3:01 PM

Perhaps you are the ones that took my post out of context.

-- Posted by nomad on Tue, Jun 3, 2008, at 2:59 PM

WOW! It's about time they talk about putting a stoplight in there! That is such a dangerous intersection!!! It is so hard to cross. I am pleased to see this! Hopefully all goes well!

-- Posted by labgirl on Tue, Jun 3, 2008, at 2:58 PM

Go Chiefs,

Please provide one in context example of Obama saying something racist.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Tue, Jun 3, 2008, at 1:44 PM

Seems to me an awful lot of Obama's racist ,liberal rhetoric is taken"out of context"

-- Posted by GOCHIEFS on Tue, Jun 3, 2008, at 12:26 PM

Nomad,

Should the political winds shift in an ugly direction towards the Muslims then what's he supposed to say? You're on your own? or should he just thrown them under the bus. What if the politcal wind towards Christians

turned ugly? Should he treat them the same.

Sounds like a typical intolerant christian to me.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Tue, Jun 3, 2008, at 12:20 PM

The quote attributed to Obama is a good one to verify at www.snopes.com. It appears to have been taken out of context.

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Tue, Jun 3, 2008, at 11:34 AM

From Audacity of Hope: 'I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.'

This quote was taken out of the Book written by Barak Obama... OUR democratic nominee.

-- Posted by nomad on Tue, Jun 3, 2008, at 10:40 AM

Cheetah-

Thanks for clarifying.

-- Posted by pumpkin08 on Tue, Jun 3, 2008, at 9:44 AM

Watch out JJ. You are converting me into a groupie of yours. Man, why is it that what you stated contain "tuck loads" of truth???

-- Posted by get a clue on Tue, Jun 3, 2008, at 12:29 AM

As with any occupation, I would assume there are a few bad truck drivers (since they hire anyone who can pass the test these days). However- most legitement truck drivers are busy moving America and you're home in your easy chair........so I would not critique "them all".

My dad has been a truck driver for 40 years....with zero accidents, safety awards for safest driver.....and has missed a large part of mine and my families life by doing so. What do you do for a living? You shouldn't categorize "all drivers" into one.

Most accidents are caused by inattention to the drivers surroundings.......these being cars, trucks, etc..... and most the time the drivers of cars/trucks are the reason for the semi wrecks. Not all, but some!

-- Posted by pumpkin08 on Mon, Jun 2, 2008, at 10:30 PM

Woo hoo! We have a family affair now. Welcome Mrs. JJ! You will make this place interesting I am sure!

-- Posted by get a clue on Mon, Jun 2, 2008, at 6:47 PM

I have unfortunatly been diagnosed with Mertzaphobia....My therapist tells me it is an unhealthy fear of Fred and Ethyl. Any suggestions JJ? I dont know how long i can live this nightmare.......

-- Posted by GOCHIEFS on Mon, Jun 2, 2008, at 5:35 PM

The owners of the trucks have control over this not the "drivers".

-- Posted by Mrs JJ Gates on Mon, Jun 2, 2008, at 5:03 PM

So you know in advance when you are going to blow out a tire or have a headlight burn out?? That has nothing to do about maintenence.......somethings just can't be prevented, such as running over a nail.

-- Posted by Mrs JJ Gates on Mon, Jun 2, 2008, at 4:45 PM

You know green eyes i think after some thought that driving around semis on the interstate may well be a phobia. Its something i realy dread. My brother likes to seend me to websites where theres all kinds semi truck accidents n stuff. photos of horrible stuff.

But when i have my family in the car i get away from them as fast as possable lol. Id rather do 80 to stay clear of them sometimes.

Ive never realy thought about it any way other than i just hate to drive near them. I think maybe phobia is a good word. It dont help my brother likes to show me horrible stories of semi accidents either.

-- Posted by kt_01 on Mon, Jun 2, 2008, at 4:42 PM

Did a little research:

Grandemotophobia - Fear of Large Vehicles (I don't know if this one is real.)

Melissophobia - Fear of Bears

?? - Fear of Deadlines

kt_01, do you have a phobia?

-- Posted by Green Eyes on Mon, Jun 2, 2008, at 4:28 PM

no i didnt mean that drivers are dumb jj,but there alot of people who seem to drive like its safe to sit there n drive 5 miles down the road right next to them,its actually the truck drivers that can be dumb for not properly maintaining there trucks for one reason or another.and causing accidents. the public/ other drivers who share the roads with them should not have to worry about them when they are suposed to have safe trucks on the road. and they dont.

-- Posted by kt_01 on Mon, Jun 2, 2008, at 4:27 PM

I really can't say if there is a name for not wanting to drive next to a semi, however I can tell you it is not safe. Just as tires blow out on cars they also do on trucks. To say that drivers are dumb is not a accurate comment.

-- Posted by Mrs JJ Gates on Mon, Jun 2, 2008, at 4:21 PM

Green eyes,

LOL that video realy gets you thinking dont it.

just when u think ur doing the right thing when all the other drivers are driving right next to a semi and u hold back till there out of the way to pass, you see this video of the tire from the other direction lol.

-- Posted by kt_01 on Mon, Jun 2, 2008, at 4:03 PM

Nowadays I'm mostly afraid of missing deadline, but I don't know if they have a term for that one.

When I was a kid I was very afraid of bears, even though there hadn't been a bear spotted outside a circus for generations in northeast Iowa, where I grew up.

I had bad dreams all the time about bears. I know -- for a fact -- that a bear lurked behind our furnace. And once, when we went on a family vacation, I trembled in my bed, awake the whole night, convinced a bear had gotten in the cabin and the only reason I wasn't dead yet was because it was having trouble deciding which of us to eat first.

Turned out the hulking shape in the room was a gas heater and the snorting, growling noise was my dad. Snoring.

-- Posted by Eric Crump on Mon, Jun 2, 2008, at 4:00 PM

Wow, kt_01. That's what I'm talking about. Except, the tire would have came in my window...or tried to.

-- Posted by Green Eyes on Mon, Jun 2, 2008, at 1:55 PM

green eyes,

I hate driving next to semi trucks. There all dumb lol. I dont know if you have seen this video of the semi tire that comes off the truck n crosses into the other lanes and hits the mini van but heres the link to it. Sure makes you think when you see one those trucks.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DEQQEHizkk

-- Posted by kt_01 on Mon, Jun 2, 2008, at 11:35 AM

Anyone have any phobias to share? I don't know if this has a name, but when I'm driving past a semi with my window down, I'm scared something (a rock, for example) is going to fly in my window and hit me. I only feel safe when my window is up!

-- Posted by Green Eyes on Mon, Jun 2, 2008, at 11:28 AM

Well thank you very much WHAT THE F..... but alas i can only dream and aspire to reach such devine knowledge and class.But as another wise man once said "Everyman needs something to believe in." And right now i believe ill have another beer. PEACE OUT GOCHIEFS

-- Posted by GOCHIEFS on Mon, Jun 2, 2008, at 11:04 AM

JJ, are you losing your touch? You never posted anything about the unidentified body in Concordia!!! Come on now, don't start slipping up now!

-- Posted by get a clue on Sun, Jun 1, 2008, at 11:49 PM

Methinks they are all "JJ"

-- Posted by What the f...... on Sun, Jun 1, 2008, at 9:02 PM

KT not only a client of the liberal club.......but also the president. LONG LIVE JJ.......and oh yeah me too

-- Posted by GOCHIEFS on Sun, Jun 1, 2008, at 8:09 PM

Oh lord just what the world needs another jj lover. thats whats wrong with the world not right. More crap talking,negative, self absorbed hot air blowers.

-- Posted by kt_01 on Sun, Jun 1, 2008, at 5:22 PM

so who is gonna be the next one to get their own column? my paper boy? by the way...JJ ive been following your timely and wise beyond your years comments, and i for one have got your back..just as any RIGHT thinking . god fearing , America loving,conservative should.cant wait to read more of your insightful commentary on these panty waist liberal sissys.......and im looking forward to your next album...

-- Posted by GOCHIEFS on Sun, Jun 1, 2008, at 12:15 PM

Update us with any information that you get JJ. Thank you.

-- Posted by get a clue on Fri, May 30, 2008, at 5:31 PM

Ezra i got a headache trying to read your post with all the hillbilly slang lol.

-- Posted by kt_01 on Fri, May 30, 2008, at 11:36 AM

It sure is nice to see the new scoreboards at Indian Foothills Park. Its just to bad they don't work yet.

-- Posted by yomomma on Fri, May 30, 2008, at 9:18 AM

OMG that just made me laugh so hard. Thank you for the good laugh Ezra!

-- Posted by get a clue on Fri, May 30, 2008, at 12:44 AM

Well howdy youins...

It a peers ta me that the council done had it's mind settled on that there closin of English (Banquet Drive) even bfore the meetin took place last week. Sposed to be one more meetin bfore its all settled, but seems to be settled already anyhow.

So since everthang is done in the hopper, I have a purty good idie about that there signal up thar at English and Arrow. Move the whole shebang over to Vest and 65 so we all can mosey across without puttin our hides in some Cadilacks grill like a squished bug. I aint been so nervous since I got my overhauls hung up in Uncle Dudley's power take off thang-a-ma-jigger on his John Deere.

If'n the state don't let no one move it out thar, then how bout movin it to Salt Pond and Arrow, or maybe down thar at Miami and Arrow. Taint no sense leavin it at English and Arrow when English don't go nowhere. Make horsesense??

Thank Ye and Good Nite

Cuzzin EzraCornSrabble

-- Posted by Ezracornscrabble on Fri, May 30, 2008, at 12:39 AM

Has anyone heard of any news of the man found in Concordia with his head and hands amputated? Just wondering if this was fact or fiction. I figured if anyone knew, it would be JJ, I know yes I am asking. JJ, you seem to know about things before most of us. If you have any info, please share. Thank you.

-- Posted by get a clue on Thu, May 29, 2008, at 11:37 PM
Response by Eric Crump/Editor:
It appears to be true. I heard it on the radio yesterday and several newspapers and TV stations have the story:

http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/sto...

Class 1 State Baseball final Santa Fe 12, Stoutland 7 congrats

-- Posted by Gal66 on Thu, May 29, 2008, at 9:45 PM

i think it is so funny how everyone thinks they have to spell check everyone else,like they have never made a mistake.typical marshall behavior

-- Posted by once_removed on Thu, May 29, 2008, at 6:30 PM

Too bad your check wasn't accepted rather than excepted.

-- Posted by SpeedwaySue on Thu, May 29, 2008, at 5:46 PM

try to rob me n see what happens.

-- Posted by kt_01 on Thu, May 29, 2008, at 5:35 PM

Cash is great! .....'til you lose it or get robbed.

-- Posted by What the f...... on Thu, May 29, 2008, at 3:25 PM

Too many rely on only credit cards and checkbooks. Some dont take checks and credit cards computerized stuff screws up.It happens all the time. I never carry anything but cash,its just the smart thing to do.Then you dont run into problems.

-- Posted by kt_01 on Thu, May 29, 2008, at 11:05 AM

The radio station gave a more indepth account of the gasoline "drive-off".

The man should have waited...

I did have this happen after I enjoyed a big juicy steak, fortunately for me, the manager of the restaraunt excepted my check.

-- Posted by nomad on Thu, May 29, 2008, at 10:15 AM

I don't know about the rest of you but I am beginning to see some worrisome things as the fuel crisis becomes more critical.

The for sale signs in the windows of Hummers are so yellowed with age and tattered that you can no longer read them.

The meth addicts have quit stealing anhydrous ammonia from farmers. They are stealing fuel from farm tanks instead. Now that's desperate for a fix.

I noticed about ten hitch hikers along the road the other day. Would you believe not a one of them looked like they were drunk, deranged, or had been told to get out of town by sundown.

I saw an ad for plexiglass windshield and headlight kits for riding lawn mowers.

Have you noticed that it takes a lot longer to get your pizza delivered? The drivers have figured out that they can make more on mileage in their minicars if they get a little lost on the way than they can from the tip you give them.

Folks, things are gettin bad out there. A little levity sometimes helps. There is no copyright on these. You are welcome to use them if you want as you choose. After all the rage over the Marshall school controversy

maybe we need to lighten up and have a good laugh. I apologize to those who don't think they are funny. Its the best I could think up at midnight. Enjoy your morning cup, with a chuckle I hope. Have a great day.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, May 29, 2008, at 12:23 AM

I agree btb and nomad. Granted there may be more to the story than what's included in the article but based on the information given, leaving your name doesn't exactly reflect an intent to steal. I'd love to see what a jury would do with this. Hopefully, the prosecutor declines to file charges.........

-- Posted by in bloom on Wed, May 28, 2008, at 7:28 PM

What would you do if you honestly thought your payment would be accepted, and then found out that it wasn't?

I travel with no cash, a debit card and a checkbook. Just yesterday I had problems with my W&H debit card because their system was having problems, and my transactions were declined. The money was in the bank, but the bank said they were having problems with all their debit cards.

If I fueled up and my debit card was not accepted for this reason, I would only have my checkbook to fall back on. If the station did not accept checks, I don't know what I would do. I might have done the same thing, left my name and not known what else to do. Then I would be in the paper too.

-- Posted by btb005 on Wed, May 28, 2008, at 4:48 PM

i think we can expect to see more "drive-offs" as gas prices continue to climb.It seems to me this man was not trying to steal gas.A theif would not leave his info,or try to make arrrangements to pay for something he was trying to steal.It looks to me like maybe the store could have taken the check and waited to file charges if the check was bad.Instead now this man is being charged with a crime that could cost him his driving privilges.

-- Posted by once_removed on Wed, May 28, 2008, at 3:19 PM

The KC man that "drove off" gave all his info and offered to write a check after his other form of payment was declined to PAY for his debt.

Now, he has to pay court fees and fines... and most likely have this on his record because the store would not work w/ him. I do hope these charges are dropped when the time comes.

-- Posted by nomad on Wed, May 28, 2008, at 12:42 PM

I think the big issue w/ 65 hwy at College, WalMart Dr. & Vest, is the fact that people on foot have to "play chicken" to get to the WestPort side of town.

A stoplight at Vest & 65hwy is a NECESSITY in my book. A Pedestrian Cross could easily be added there.

-- Posted by nomad on Wed, May 28, 2008, at 12:15 PM

Yeah, it's kinda ridiculous that Wal-Mart gets a traffic light and Vest doesn't.

-- Posted by Green Eyes on Wed, May 28, 2008, at 9:10 AM

u know when i go to lunch now i have to sit at 2 or 3 stoplights, all we need is another stupid light to sit at when the rest of us can pay attention enough to get thru that intersection, come on people pay attention to what the hell your doin!!! if its not closed it will have a stop light at it to get to the north side, huh? sheesh!! try to get on 65 from vest, what a task!!

-- Posted by themonsterinme on Tue, May 27, 2008, at 10:42 PM

JJ Gates ...you're right Santa Fe does not have a web site maybe you could give Supt. Wright or Principal Burton a nudge ...I too find it terrible in this day and age of technology......

I would love to comment on a SF site to congratulate a hard working 1-A baseball team! Ask the boys how hard they had to work outside of school for their new baseball uniforms...........

-- Posted by Odette on Tue, May 27, 2008, at 12:50 AM

My grandkids attend Santa Fe ...there are problems there too but the baseball team should be proud and commended for being just a great bunch of kids.

All praise cannot just go to the kids but also the VERY supportive parents, community, and Coach Josh Fisher who is a very well-liked moral, fair good guy role-model in this day and age!

By the way recently SF had a graduating class of 23.....not a 2-A school enrollment. The school may be small but they are mighty & proud!!!! Way to go Chiefs!!!

-- Posted by Odette on Tue, May 27, 2008, at 12:44 AM

Santa Fe is lucky to have so many of their kids participate. Those programs aren't built overnight. Congratulations! Kids who are involved in school activites are less likely to be in trouble.

-- Posted by oneofmany on Tue, May 27, 2008, at 12:33 AM

jj also dont get how the system works. Sante fe has gone to state 2 years in a row. Its cause of very hard work and desire to win. Unlike slater and marshall. The teams stats speak for themselves. You can sit n go if if if all u want jj. It really dont matter how much you cry and whine and complain. And slater,LOL thats realy funny.

-- Posted by kt_01 on Mon, May 26, 2008, at 8:37 PM

people are strange.

-- Posted by mercy5634 on Mon, May 26, 2008, at 7:17 PM

Sante Fe Cheifs is a very hard working group of kids and coaching staff. They all put 120 percent into the game and have a true love of the sport. The coaches care about theese kids a great deal.This team deserves every win the get.

My son Dillon plays little league and this is where most of those kids came up from. At his level too the coaching and the heart theese kids have is amazing.Its so great to see theese teams achive at every level.

My son will go to Sante Fe Jr. High School this year and hes really looking forward to playing for them.He hopes to go to collage on a baseball scholarship and were very proud of Santa Fe.

-- Posted by kt_01 on Mon, May 26, 2008, at 12:20 PM

Texas wants to extend a big congratulations to the Santa Fe Chiefs for their outstanding success. What a team! Especially to the first baseman, Max Capps. Does everyone know he was born in Texas? This Godmother thinks he is something special.

Beverly

-- Posted by Texas Friend on Mon, May 26, 2008, at 9:49 AM

Does Marshall display an "Avenue of Flags" at the cemetery, in honor of war veterans who are buried there? I have the American flag that was presented to me, as the oldest family member, at the interment of my uncle, Firman "Jake" Jacobs. I would like for it to be in Marshall, if there is a place for it. He loved Marshall so much.

DoctorJ.bob@gmail.com

-- Posted by DoctorJ.bob on Sun, May 25, 2008, at 12:53 PM

Second post! first one after The Crump. w00t!

-- Posted by SecretAgentMichaelScarn on Fri, May 23, 2008, at 5:36 PM

Speak Out was getting kind of full again. I think it might be a good idea to archive it weekly, especially when controversies give us so much to talk about! There are links above to all the previous comments.

-- Posted by Eric Crump on Fri, May 23, 2008, at 5:15 PM


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