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  • Re: Speak Out [religion] [April 1 to July 31, 2012] (Story from 04/01/2012)

    Myop, what the heck, let's redo Pascal's wager again, even though as OKR has mentioned, we have beat that horse to death: The Wager: "If you erroneously believe in God, you lose nothing (assuming that death is the absolute end), whereas if you correctly believe in God, you gain everything (eternal bliss). But if you correctly disbelieve in God, you gain nothing (death ends all), whereas if you erroneously disbelieve in God, you lose everything (eternal damnation)." The condensed rebuttals are...

    -- Posted by RationalThinker on Sun, Jul 15, 2012, at 6:57 AM
  • Re: Speak Out [religion] [April 1 to July 31, 2012] (Story from 04/01/2012)

    myopinion put Occam's razor, and Pascal's wager in your search engine. You may find the result's interesting.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Sat, Jul 14, 2012, at 11:01 PM
  • Re: Speak Out [religion] [April 1 to July 31, 2012] (Story from 04/01/2012)

    Rr3: "We are only good because of the character we inherit from our creator." How can you make this comment immediately after acknowledging parents need to give them direction and discipline for them to be good? You sound very wishy washy about how to define "good". We can all be good, but you are implying that just being good won't get you in you version of heaven, right? No matter what "good" we may do, then based on what you interpret the bible to mean "bad" (gay, abortion, living...

    -- Posted by RationalThinker on Thu, Apr 5, 2012, at 8:53 PM
  • Re: Speak Out [religion] [February 1 to March 31, 2012] (Story from 02/01/2012)

    Rr3: "Can an atheist rationally say there is no God?" YES, that is the rational conclusion based on no evidence Rr3: "Wouldn't you have to know all things to know that there isn't a God?" NO. I don't have to know all things to know there really isn't a Tooth Fairy either. Rr3: "What about the prophecies fulfilled in the bible with more to come? The bible has never been wrong and it won't be in the future." Pure hogwash. You could claim the same thing about the farmer's almanac, or Confucius...

    -- Posted by RationalThinker on Sat, Mar 10, 2012, at 9:58 AM
  • Re: Speak Out [religion] May 1 to June 1, 2011 (Story from 05/01/2011)

    I had a couple of posts on the prior month thread that I didn't realize was no longer used. So much for adding a link to favorites. Anyway, the following post is related to right vs wrong, but was in response to posts a couple of weeks ago: Buttons, Google Pascal's Wager as The Empress mentioned and you'll find many articles on the ridiculousness of it. Let me flip it the other way, a rational I remember coming up with all by myself when I was young. If god is really that good and all knowing,...

    -- Posted by RationalThinker on Sat, May 7, 2011, at 8:11 AM
  • Re: Speak Out [religion] April 1 to May 1, 2011 (Story from 04/01/2011)

    Buttons, Google Pascal's Wager as The Empress mentioned and you'll find many articles on the ridiculousness of it. Let me flip it the other way, a rational I remember coming up with all by myself when I was young. If god is really that good and all knowing, then he will be able to see that he made me in such a way that I just can't make myself believe all this crazy "Santa Clause for adults" type stuff, and he's surely give me a pass. Even that is a little crazy as it isn't worth the time to...

    -- Posted by RationalThinker on Sun, May 1, 2011, at 8:33 AM
  • Re: Speak Out [religion] April 1 to May 1, 2011 (Story from 04/01/2011)

    Rational Thinker there was considerable discussion of Pascal's Wager (and Ocam's Razor), in either last month's (or the month before) religion blog. I thought you might enjoy reading that. Just a friendly heads up.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Apr 15, 2011, at 10:55 AM
  • Re: Speak Out [religion] April 1 to May 1, 2011 (Story from 04/01/2011)

    rr3: I just hate for a person to be wrong because eternity is a long time.If the big guy in the sky doesn't make any sense to you at all, then they try to scare you into believing in Him. Can't you see the ridiculousness in that? Values says: I believe we must worship him if we want to have enteral life with him. Now if by chance what I believe in (BIBLE) is not true, what have I lost? If it is true!This is the famous, and really crazy, "Pascal's Wager". Voltaire called it indecent and...

    -- Posted by RationalThinker on Fri, Apr 15, 2011, at 3:52 AM
  • Re: Speak Out [religion] November 10, 2010, to January 5, 2011 (Story from 11/10/2010)

    RE: Occam's Razor, and Pascal's Wager. Methodology, and logic do have their limits. A lot of Theists would jump to agree with that. Further, they appear to give short shrift to the powers of the subconscious mind. The mind has an ability to store an infinite number of bits of information. When we encounter a problem the subconscious mind processes all those stored bits in an instant, and usually gives us an answer that is reliant upon the amount, and quality of the stored bits. Call it...

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Fri, Dec 3, 2010, at 7:52 PM
  • Re: Speak Out [religion] November 10, 2010, to January 5, 2011 (Story from 11/10/2010)

    LOL WTF...I thought of Occam's Razor when I was writing about Pascal's Wager. Did I leave you out when I was speaking of others, and Pascal's? If so it was an oversight, not a slight. I am afraid I left out a lot of folks, Slater, et al whose comments I enjoy. I didn't intend it to be an honor roll of interesting posters, and it was not as far too many bright folks were left off the list.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Dec 2, 2010, at 3:45 PM
  • Re: Speak Out [religion] November 10, 2010, to January 5, 2011 (Story from 11/10/2010)

    Good goin JHH. I am just gonna lay back for a bit, and not say anything more about Pascal's Wager right now. Let's see who else cares enough to wade through it. If no one else does, then you, and I can go one on one. It will be more productive though if more are involved. I do have some opinions about it.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Dec 2, 2010, at 1:37 PM
  • Re: Speak Out [religion] November 10, 2010, to January 5, 2011 (Story from 11/10/2010)

    I have noticed from time to time, that comments have been made paraphrasing Pascal's Wager by various folk since the religion blog started. I am sort of surprised that no one has brought Pascal's Wager to the floor. I actually thought that maybe Nana Dot would have, or Mr. Xray if he paid any attention to this blog, or White Tornado if he paid any attention to any of the blogs these days, or News Across who I hope will rejoin us soon, or SC, or rr3, Philemon,JHH, or WTF, or CH....well I am just...

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Thu, Dec 2, 2010, at 12:15 AM
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