Speak Out: Las Vegas shooting

Posted by desert Rat on Mon, Oct 2, 2017, at 1:29 PM:

This is a very sad day in Las Vegas.

Replies (28)

  • For sure. Wonder if they'll ever find the motive, I sure hope so. Last I heard ISIS took credit but got no proof to back up the claim. Sometimes people just want to watch the world burn.

    -- Posted by oldschool17 on Tue, Oct 3, 2017, at 12:05 AM
  • We in Las Vegas do not like being the number one worst mass shooting site but we hope that we are never number two.

    -- Posted by desert Rat on Wed, Oct 4, 2017, at 1:44 AM
  • It will happen sometime, just hope it's not for many years.

    -- Posted by oldschool17 on Wed, Oct 4, 2017, at 1:06 PM
  • Is that all the 2 most prolific posters here have to say about this? Don't you have your talking points solidified yet?

    Google is censoring enquiries on youtube for '2 shooters las vegas' 'multiple shooters vegas' and so on. Yahoo news today has a commentary about false news and a picture of one who can not be named without triggering the mind controlled here.

    But physics doesn't lie so much. There seems to be evidence of more than one shooter. Audio reveals 2 shooters, and at different distances. Who will win this information war? Who is the real fake news? Will the public ever know the truth?

    Old S, why do you think this will happen again? The media says that they can't even determine why this was done. What is the information source for your statement?

    -- Posted by JBlck on Tue, Oct 10, 2017, at 3:18 PM
  • I'm not big into conspiracy theories.

    It will happen again because as long as there have been humans there have been people who enjoy killing other people. I don't see why that would ever change. The only reason that's needed is one sufficient enough for that person.

    -- Posted by oldschool17 on Tue, Oct 10, 2017, at 5:39 PM
  • You and DRat are both unquestioning fans of *approved* conspiracy theories. Your 'thinking' has been trained to accept approved stories, no matter what.

    The term 'conspiracy theory' was weaponized by the CIA after JFK was killed in broad daylight in Dallas Texas.

    You believe the official conspiracy theory about that, right? Magic bullets and all?

    -- Posted by JBlck on Tue, Oct 10, 2017, at 6:54 PM
  • You still believe there is a magic bullet? Have you ever actually looked up research on jfk or just watched the movie? The seats in the limo where not ligned up like normal car, was clean straight path.

    By definition conspiracy theories are theories that go against the official account. So no official accounts aren't conspiracy. Flight 800 was an accident, RFK was lone nut job. Oswald killed JFK, area 51 is just military base for military not aliens. Roosevelt didn't let harbor happen and 9/11 wasn't an inside job.

    Now I do love hearing new theories and hearing conspiracy theories. So if you got new evidence I'm all for it, but I've heard most of it before and am very prepared to counter point.

    So, what theories do you have? If you got new stuff I'll be very excited to look into it. I want conspiracies to be true,they just never do.

    -- Posted by oldschool17 on Tue, Oct 10, 2017, at 11:51 PM
  • OS, you really like being lied to, don't you? Your mind is enslaved. You lie to yourself when you say it is not.

    It's hard to teach old dogs new tricks, so like others who have tried to converse with you, it seems useless to try but to keep us entertained how about you explain how the 9-11 towers fell at the accelerated speed of gravity without something to remove resistance below the point of impact? Can you understand the question/problem of physics?

    Also, Building 7 was not hit by a plane and it also fell at the free fall speed of gravity about 20 minutes after the BBC reported it fell, the same day. Please explain these 3 times in one day that physics lies and the official conspiracy theory is your truth.

    There was a youtube video that had millions of views that listed the "official" 9/11 conspiracy facts but all I can get on the new search algorithms is a message that shows they are hiding the video. They don't want mind slaves like you to see anything that might cause you to actually start thinking on your own. ... Google Sorry...

    We're sorry...

    ... but your computer or network may be sending automated queries. To protect our users, we can't process your request right now.

    See Google Help for more information.

    -- Posted by JBlck on Wed, Oct 11, 2017, at 8:45 PM
  • Yes I understand the issue, it would be odd if the building fell at the speed of free fall due to it collapsing from top to bottom. You would only expect free fall if the bottom gave out so there was no resistance to the top coming down. This obviously was not the case in the twin towers. Not sure where you got that info, unless you've only watched things like Loose Change. Which by the way is on like it's 5 or 6th version right now because they keep having to change it when their ideas get debunked so they have to remove them and make up more.

    http://debunking911.com/freefall.htm

    Here is the information regarding Tower 7, including the BBC report. Honestly nobody knows for sure why the BBC reported tower 7 fell before it did. Most likely answer is they got word that engineers had said it was going to fall (we know people where warned before it did) so they just jumped the gun on it. I would assume if it was some conspiracy to be blown up and leak a collapse story to the press you wouldn't do it with a reporter on site with the building behind them. If that was part of some plan, than I have to question the intelligence of the people with those plans that they could do anything right.

    http://debunking911.com/pull.htm

    Like I said those are both facts that have been debunked for over a decade. Just google tower fall speed and there are all kinds of sites and videos proving that one false, same with tower 7.

    While movies like Loose Change are interesting and spin an entertaining story they fall apart pretty quick when they say that planes may have not even been used. Especially at pentagon, despite fact they have video of the plane impact and plane parts scattering the area.

    If you think that any of the data and discussions are incorrect I'd love to know where you get the evidence to prove you claims so I can review those as well. As I said, I find conspiracy theories very fascinating.

    -- Posted by oldschool17 on Thu, Oct 12, 2017, at 8:27 AM
  • -- Posted by JBlck on Thu, Oct 12, 2017, at 8:27 PM
  • So I have sites that say it was terrorist plane attacks and the buildings fell do the damage caused by this. You have sites that say it was an inside job and the buildings where blown up from the inside.

    So what is the best way to verify which side is the correct side? Which way is the best to verify which is the most likely scenario if everyone can't agree on the facts?

    -- Posted by oldschool17 on Fri, Oct 13, 2017, at 8:26 AM
  • Old S, Your "debunking" link was debunked a decade ago. There is no comparison in the two sites that give you so much confusion.

    Also, I don't believe you have cogently studied the information available to you on the architects and engineers web site. http://www.ae911truth.org/

    If you were able to do so, you would have the answer to your question. You may not have the discernment or logic to understand the physics that prove the 'official' conspiracy theory has to be a lie. You may be so indoctrinated that you can't admit the truth even if you know the truth.

    I say keep trying. Stop rejecting information that you are programmed to reject or too afraid to research. If you can't do that then you will never know the truth about anything.

    -- Posted by JBlck on Sat, Oct 14, 2017, at 3:23 PM
  • Getting back to the original thread, anyone can see how the "official" story is falling apart. There were multiple shooters and the lone wolf may be a complicit patsy. It's surely a lie that he made millions playing video poker. It's more likely he was laundering money through the casinos.

    -- Posted by JBlck on Sat, Oct 14, 2017, at 3:32 PM
  • JBlck is trying to sell conspiracy theories, rr is trying to sell religion and I am buying neither.

    -- Posted by desert Rat on Sat, Oct 14, 2017, at 7:37 PM
  • Didn't the guy make most of his money in real estate? I saw one story where tax form said he made $5 million in gambling income in 2015, but that doesn't show winnings. He could have won $5 million but lost $6 million, don't know.

    I haven't seen any irrefutable proof that there where multiple shooters or this guy was just a patsy who did nothing.

    I hadn't heard money laundering idea either. But that would be a hell of way to launder money, actually really smart. I googled it and found one random blog that had no proof other than what the writer thought made sense.

    Would love to look into that though, the guy is definitely odd.

    -- Posted by oldschool17 on Mon, Oct 16, 2017, at 4:09 PM
  • -- Posted by desert Rat on Mon, Oct 16, 2017, at 6:18 PM
  • Hey JB, back to 9/11 for a minute. Say there were explosives inside the buildings. What is your theory behind the planes themselves? Where they high jacked by the government? Where they actually terrorist but government knew ahead of time so rather than stop they decided to make it worse?

    I've seen some vidoes and reports where they say they weren't even people on board at all. But that doesn't jive because what happened to the hundreds of people on the planes?

    -- Posted by oldschool17 on Tue, Oct 17, 2017, at 2:24 PM
  • The only discussion I care to have with you two virtual geniuses needs to be the reason for such fear in examining the true nature of what is happening in the real world instead of relegating yourself to dutifully ingesting and regurgitating 'official' conspiracy theories, whole cloth, with no room for dissenting voices? I say fear indoctrination. You have been trained not to be able to think or question anything. You get your script after the talking heads get their script except you don't get paid as much.

    The Vegas shooting, so far, seems to be a cover-up. Audio clips indicate at least one belt-fed automatic rifle. Bump stocks don't operate that proficient and they don't work at all with a bipod. But continue to enjoy your spoon fed pablum. Maybe like the JFK assassination in broad daylight, you will get the full report in 50 years... oh that's right.. probably not. You won't live long enough for that.

    On 9/11, Old S., just stick with the physics and don't try to make stuff up. You posted a junk web page that was debunked 10 years ago for your proof of ignorance. It was probably good enough for DR, as I suspect he rarely reads past the headlines anyway. Only mainstream approved conspiracy theories for him.

    The physics of 9/11 prove you are being lied to. The buildings fell too fast.. perfectly into their own footprint. Gee, how could that happen? Oh yeah, cave dwelling terrorist with box cutters made that happen. They conquered physics that day in addition to conquering the most sophisticated military defense systems in the world. Ever. The list of impossible things that were possible that day is too long to post here. The Architects and Engineers website has pages and pages of scientific evidence that proves you are being lied to. The official conspiracy theory has to be a lie and you two are like carp in an overstocked pond begging for more morsels of whatever is being thrown out there. Big fish in a little pond, you don't know of the world around you.

    If you want to talk 9/11, Old S, find something specific on the scientific site http://www.ae911truth.org/ to argue about. That's all you want to do is argue. Bring up something from the site, accurately, and discuss why you can't believe it, for example. Don't make up your own delusional scenarios to debunk as strawmen. You said yourself, 'it would be odd' that the buildings fell that fast. Well they did fall that fast so stick with that until it clicks in your mind what that means. Big hint: we are being lied to. Now let your mind go with that.

    -- Posted by JBlck on Tue, Oct 17, 2017, at 6:45 PM
  • I'm genuinely enjoy this conversation JB. I've never actually had someone to chat with about 9/11 and it's incredibly fascinating. Please do not take what I'm saying as simply arguing, I've seen many documentaries on both sides of this argument and both sides are compelling.

    Forgive my ignorance on complex science, but that's why I'm asking questions. I'm trying to understand and dig. I see many articles & videos claiming to debunk the free fall theory of the towers. It's clear in any video that huge chunks of the building are falling faster to the ground than the building itself. But those pieces are in mid air with zero resistance below them. Even if interior columns had been destroyed, the building still came down from top to bottom. Wasn't like implosions I've seen where bottom is blown out and top comes down in the hole. So since it came down from top to bottom it still had to smash through the floors, even if the heavy resistance had been taken away. So the "debunking" theories using debris is pointless. Am I right on that analysis JB?

    -- Posted by oldschool17 on Wed, Oct 18, 2017, at 11:31 AM
  • JBlck,

    You conspiracy fantasy nuts are amusing until you harass the parents of the Sandy Hook massacre. That is beyond sick. Have you noticed that nobody seems to take your side on any of your mostly snarky comments? I am not uninformed because I don't read the National Inquirer. Treatment is available for your anger management issues but I don't know about your paranoia. BTW, our government is not smart enough to pull off the cover ups you envision. There are many misguided forums available where your fantasies could be shared with others. You don't seem to be converting anyone on this one. Keep trying though. Fantasies can be entertaining.

    -- Posted by desert Rat on Wed, Oct 18, 2017, at 12:11 PM
  • I won't connect JB to people who harass Sandy Hook parents. Haven't even seen him agree with them that it was a hoax.

    I don't read the National Inquirer either, but that doesn't mean conpsiracies aren't interesting. Yes there are some nut job theories that are just easily debunked in 5 seconds. Sandy Hook, fake moon landing & fake holocaust come to mind the best. There are others that there seems to be plenty of evidence to dispute, but same time it's not 100% black and white. JFK assassination, FDR & Pearl Harbor are couple examples of that. There are some that honestly could be 50/50 either way. Was Booth part of a confederate conspiracy to kill Lincoln?

    I personally find conspiracies interesting not because I fully believe them, but because I'm open to all sides. If you think the stated facts are incorrect, I'm all for hearing how they are different. If they hold up than I have no problem questioning things. I'm a sports nut too, conspiracy's are all over sports just like in regular world so it's fun.

    -- Posted by oldschool17 on Wed, Oct 18, 2017, at 1:35 PM
  • OS,

    Speaking of sports, when Eli gets seven more TD passes, the Manning outfit will have 1000 TD passes. Peyton had 539, Eli will have 336 and Archie had 125.

    -- Posted by desert Rat on Wed, Oct 18, 2017, at 2:14 PM
  • That's a lot of touchdowns for one family.

    -- Posted by oldschool17 on Wed, Oct 18, 2017, at 2:49 PM
  • -- Posted by desert Rat on Mon, Oct 23, 2017, at 12:12 PM
  • JBlck

    The cartoon simply represents my opinion and the opinion of the vast majority of Las Vegans. You can read the local Las Vegas newspapers for yourself online anytime. Good luck with that paranoia thing.

    -- Posted by desert Rat on Mon, Oct 23, 2017, at 9:42 PM
  • The cartoon represents your way of (non)thinking. I did a quick search on google/youtube and they are censoring all queries of this information. On a search engine all I could find were the stories in the first few days after the shooting. Now nothing. That seems odd to me. No help from you other than your claim that you speak for the "vast majority of Las Vegans". You speak for them but all you have is a vacuous cartoon opinion that says you are afraid to have an opinion. Why did you even start this thread if you have nothing of substance to add to it?

    -- Posted by JBlck on Wed, Oct 25, 2017, at 6:53 PM
  • Both Las Vegas newspapers have had massacre articles every day since the shooting. I didn't start this thread to bring up conspiracy fantasies.

    -- Posted by desert Rat on Thu, Oct 26, 2017, at 7:37 PM
  • I will follow rr3yv0 and Imabeliver logic...

    Las Vegas shooting--Lie. Fake News--truth. It didn't happen and its all Fake News. Next time you see a photo of Stephen Paddock, you better stand and put a hand across your heart. Its 'merican honor to die for what you believe to be right

    Or, give me proof that it was not the government and approved or paid by the NRA. For all we know, the people were actors--paid to play dead. Also, Bump Stocks are being bought and sold again from vendors across the country, the main hub being in Texas. Buy yours today!

    -- Posted by Abovethelaw on Thu, Nov 2, 2017, at 10:23 AM

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