Shepherd's Heart

We Hold These Truths ...

Posted Wednesday, July 3, 2013, at 3:22 PM
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  • So, what you are saying is, the recent descicion by the Supreme Court about same sex marriage is a good thing. Good for you, not may religious people are that open minded.

    -- Posted by Armour-of-God on Thu, Jul 4, 2013, at 7:33 AM
  • Please don't misread what I was saying ...

    Those who have read this column for any length of time know where I stand on such issues.

    My point was this - the framers and signers said one thing (supposedly based on scripture) and then went out and acted differently to expand the nation. ... Their actions do not appear to be based on the teachings of Jesus. ... I believe the teachings of Christ should be the basis for what we believe and how we act - but I also know it is IMPOSSIBLE to legislate morality.

    Again - don't read my take on the search for liberty and the subsequent expansion of our nation as acceptance or support of any decisions being made in today's legal and/or political world.

    -- Posted by shep on Mon, Jul 8, 2013, at 9:37 AM
  • In no way is Jesus mentioned in the Declaration of Independence, of the Constitution. Therefore, why WOULD they act according to any teachings of his. They mention a Creator, and a God, but not of any specific religion.

    -- Posted by Armour-of-God on Tue, Jul 9, 2013, at 10:14 AM
  • meant "OR" the Constitution

    -- Posted by Armour-of-God on Tue, Jul 9, 2013, at 10:14 AM
  • You're right - no mention of Jesus ...

    But heavy emphasis on "The Creator" ...

    I'm guessing they must have had some sort of moral compass - but apparently it didn't reflect the teachings of Christ.

    Still, I believe of you study the lives of folks like Webster, Franklin and the like - you will find they considered themselves to be Christians ... Either way - I was not condoning ANY of recent court decisions.

    -- Posted by shep on Tue, Jul 9, 2013, at 11:31 AM
  • It is my understanding that a goodly portion of those folks putting things together were Deists.

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Jul 9, 2013, at 12:33 PM
  • Jefferson was a Diest...who wrote his own bible, yes, with Jesus in it, but as a MAN, not a demi-god, or a god made man...just a man. Jefferson took out all of the supernatural from his version of the bible. Franklin may have at times claimed to be christian, but he lived a life about as far outside christianity as possible.....not real familiar with Webster. The point is, they lived their lives according to what was acceptable at that time and in that place, just as most people do now. Heck, thats all anyone EVER does, at least the majority of people. What is a concrete rule of right and wrong here/now will not always be so, just as what was right or wrong then/there doesn't always apply today

    -- Posted by Armour-of-God on Tue, Jul 9, 2013, at 2:30 PM
  • What is the working definition of a deist? Surely it would imply belief in a diety, I would assume, which would then point toward some sort of moral code.

    And I think they were trying to build a government based on that moral code - and simply failed to accomplish the task because said moral code did not match their self-assumed "destiny."

    I submit that "they" - whoever and whatever "they" were - strayed from any moral code soon after they wrote the document.

    Is that clear as mud?

    By the way - how ya doin OKR?

    -- Posted by shep on Tue, Jul 9, 2013, at 2:33 PM
  • Doing well Shep, and I hope the same for you. :)

    -- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Jul 10, 2013, at 12:51 AM
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