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Voter photo ID law

Posted Monday, February 18, 2013, at 11:33 AM

If someone is ineligible to vote, but does so in a manner opposite your vote, you have been, in essence, disenfranchised.

That illegal vote canceled your perfectly legal vote. Your rights have been violated. Unfortunately, voter fraud has a long history in Missouri, and this week the Missouri House voted to make certain that your vote will count.

The passage of HJRs 5 and 12, and HBs 48 and 216 help to ensure that only legitimate voters can vote in Missouri. Such measures have been upheld by the U.S. Supreme Court. It is really a matter of insurance; insurance that those who have the right to vote will make decisions about our government.

To secure rights for legitimate voters, several safeguards are included within the rules. The elderly will be exempt from the photo ID requirement. If someone does not drive, Missouri photos IDs are available. Finally, if someone cannot afford a photo ID, public assistance is available.

Some opponents of these measures argue there has been no voter fraud in Missouri. The fact is attempted voter fraud occurs all the time. There have been convictions of such activity as recently as the 2008 general election. These prosecutions occurred in Kansas City and St. Louis. Members of both major parties have recognized the threats. Matt Blunt, as Secretary of State, and Claire McCaskill, as Auditor, cited numerous opportunities for fraud in the 2000 general election. The list is much longer than these few examples: voter fraud is a factual threat to our system.

In my many years of conducting political science courses, I constantly touch upon the legitimacy of a particular government. Legitimacy brings acceptance and stability. It is very important in our representative system that we have confidence our votes count. If we cast our votes and lose, well, that is the will of the people. If we cast our votes and lose to stuffed ballot boxes, we will feel animosity toward the cheaters and the government will suffer a loss of legitimacy. I would like for our government to retain its legitimacy because legitimacy has allowed our Constitution to endure for over 200 years.

In today's world, photo ID is required for nearly every transaction and form of access. We need photo IDs for taking a new job, opening a bank account, boarding a plane, etc. Why is voting an exception?

Unfortunately, some would like to keep open this door of opportunity for fraudulent activity. Such activity only undermines citizen participation and government that is responsive to the people. I believe that participation and responsiveness are worthy goals to preserve.

Each week I will issue a capitol report to keep you informed of activities in Jefferson City. Any concerns or issues you might have are of great interest to me. I look forward to your input and thoughts, so please feel free to contact me at any time if you have questions, concerns, or ideas to improve our state government and the quality of life for all Missourians.

My telephone number is 576-751-2204 or you may contact me be email at dean.dohrman@house.mo.gov.

Thank you for working with me to make Missouri a great place to live and work.


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Puleeeze! Spare us your Republican talking points. Just how many fraudulent votes have been proven in Missouri? How many did you say have been prosecuted? None? A handful?

What is it that you are protecting us from? Could it be some of those forty seven percenters that your boy Mitt Romney got caught blathering about; the ones you folks on the radical right are doing all you can disenfranchise.

Enjoy your two years. The bubble of ignorance is about to burst.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Mon, Feb 18, 2013, at 8:38 PM

Uh well it looks like you left a big hole in the law that makes voter fraud pretty easy.

I guess you probably didn't have time to actually read this law.

After all, anyone who has already made the decision to commit voter fraud obviously would have no problem happily signing your affidavit. They would already be breaking the law...what's one more to someone doing something like that?

Here have a look at it.

Missouri State House Bill numbers 48 and 216

[3.] 4. An individual who appears at a polling place without a form of personal identification [in the form] described in [subsection 1 of] this section and who is otherwise qualified to vote at that polling place may execute an affidavit averring that the voter is the person listed in the precinct register [and that the voter] , does not possess a form of personal identification specified in this section, and is unable to obtain a current and valid form of personal identification because of:

(1) A physical or mental disability or handicap of the voter, if the voter is otherwise competent to vote under Missouri law; [or]

(2) The inability to pay for a birth certificate or other supporting documentation that is necessary to obtain the identification required to vote under this section;

(3) A sincerely held religious belief against the forms of personal identification described in [subsection 1 of] this section; or

[(3)] (4) The voter being born on or before [January 1, 1941] January 1, 1948.

http://www.house.mo.gov/billtracking/bil...

Maybe you are just wasting hard-earned tax dollars on party political games and schemes to disenfranchise Missouri voters while you ignore the real issues Missourians care about?

Where the heck is your jobs program that actually explains the details of how it puts people back to work, how many it puts back to work, and what date they can plan to start?

When are you going to start doing your job there buddy?

-- Posted by news across on Mon, Feb 18, 2013, at 9:47 PM

The only reason you are in office is due to gerrymandering; this is a far greater evil than your 17 'alleged' fraudulent votes over the past few years.

-- Posted by Interested Too on Tue, Feb 19, 2013, at 11:15 AM

Manufactured talking points at best. You bet, voter fraud has ruined America. It couldn't possibly be all the lying, greed, partisian politics, or lack of intellect that are standards of behavior by our leaders today.

I always love it when I find a neo-con republican who has made a living his entire life from public money.

Pettis county tax assessor, and professor at a publicly funded university.

Get a real job somewhere that actually contributes to the GDP and see what that's like. Try getting a corporate bottom rung job and then climbing the ladder. Then that education in economics might make more sense.

Sorry, off subject, but my thinking is that if you are this fired up about non-existant voter fraud, you are most likely a trickle-down neo-con as well.

Nice Akin sticker....

http://www.google.com/imgres?q=Rep.+Dean...

-- Posted by countryman on Wed, Feb 20, 2013, at 2:20 PM

Mr. Dorhman please tell us you really didnt support Todd Akin?

-- Posted by cheesehead on Thu, Feb 21, 2013, at 1:18 AM

countryman

Thanks for posting that link to the photo of Door Man wearing an Akin sticker.

"...the body has a way of shutting that [rape] whole process down."

AKIN SAID IT, DOOR MAN SUPPORTS IT.

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Feb 23, 2013, at 4:53 AM

He supported Akin because Dorhman, like most politicians, only has 2 loyalties: 1) his political party and 2) his bribers aka large campaign contributors. In this case, he supported Akin because of his party. At least I hope that was the reason and not because he believed the drivel that came from Akin's mouth.

-- Posted by cmasretire on Sat, Feb 23, 2013, at 11:09 AM

Door Man is as bad as the company he keeps.

See Akin for more on this.

In 2014 We the People need to show Door Man to the door.

Door Man's policies are morally bankrupt and will bankrupt our state as well.

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Feb 23, 2013, at 3:43 PM

Oh and please Door Man, show us how cutting government jobs creates jobs.

Show us the math.

Show us the the math that proves the Tax-multiplier is greater than the Federal Spending multiplier and that the Tax Multiplier has enough strength to pull us out of deflationary economy.

Show us the empirical evidence that proves austerity measures (cutting jobs) creates more good paying jobs than it destroys.

Show us how austerity measures increase consumption enough to pull an economy out of a deflationary period.

Show us how austerity policies have pulled an economy out of a deflationary period before.

Show us your empirical evidence that supports your "Neoclassical hypothesis."

I bet you can't do either because Neoclassical as applied to Macro Economics has no mathematical support and no empirical support.

Show us or we will show you to the door in 2014 Door Man.

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Feb 23, 2013, at 4:58 PM

"It seems safe to say that what we have here is a case in which rival theories made different predictions, the predictions of one theory proved completely wrong while those of the other were totally vindicated -- but in which adherents of the failed theory, for political and ideological reasons, refuse to accept the facts."

Dr. Paul Krugman, Economist, Nobel Laureate

"Austerity Europe"

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/02...

-- Posted by news across on Sat, Feb 23, 2013, at 5:09 PM

How about JOBS Doorman instead of voter Id laws?

-- Posted by cheesehead on Mon, Feb 25, 2013, at 1:04 AM

:..., voter fraud has a long history in Missouri, and this week the Missouri", Says Rep. Dohrman.

He can not site one (1) instance of voter fraud. Nor can his mentor, Rep. Stanley Cox.

Missouri requires ID in order to vote. A photo ID is only one of many forms of acceptable ID in Missouri.

Keep in mine, Resolution HJR 5 and HJR 12 must be voted on. "VOTE NO" to the resolutions. Without the Resolutions, the Bills are mute.

-- Posted by CWilli on Mon, Feb 25, 2013, at 12:21 PM

The only voter fraud I can remember is a few years ago when a Republican legislator knowingly voted in the wrong precinct for several years. Of course, this was never prosecuted. For all their sanctimonious prattle, the Republicans cannot show voter fraud is a problem, nor will they admit that the real reason for pushing this agenda is to disenfranchise the poor and elderly who they know won't likely vote Republican. So much for a Christian-based party.

-- Posted by cmasretire on Mon, Feb 25, 2013, at 1:43 PM

What about the poll worker in Ohio or Pennsylvania (or some such place) who openly admitted to voting several times during the 2012 November election? Not only for herself - but others? Do any of you think this is an isolated case? If so - I might have to rethink my admiration of you all ...

-- Posted by gentle ben on Tue, Feb 26, 2013, at 8:55 AM

GB your anecdotal statement lends credence to the view that it is an isolated voter fraud incident, which for that matter as far as I know may be a typical e mail type lie that is continuosly spread by those on the far right. You have passed on something that you have not supported with any evidence. I will leave it to you to consider what category of communication in which it belongs.

The Republican National Lawyers Association who had a vested interest in establishing as high an incidence rate of voter fraud as they possibly could did a study, and found hardly any. Their dogged pursuit continues. Obviously they have not found much, or you can bet we would be hearing about it. I imagine that if one went to their website today, one would find a relative handful of cases over which they lamely wave a victory flag.

It is pathetic that they have spent so much money and so much time fishing for suckers, and the only catch they have made is the red herring that they brought with them. Though the rotten stench of it worsens they continue to wave it in the air. The rational response to that is to hold your nose, and declare "that stinks" every time they bring it out of their bait bucket. ;)

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Feb 26, 2013, at 6:08 PM

GB you can get up to speed on voter fraud at this link. The RNLA study undercuts Republican efforts to promote the myth that voter fraud by impersonation of others is a significant problem. http://www.alternet.org/story/153435/rep...

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Feb 27, 2013, at 12:00 AM

Saw the report - with the lady in question answering the reporter - on several network news outlets - not FOX.news - which I do not follow. Just a question ... glad to get so many answers ... I guess she was lying about herself and her own actions.

Who knows?

Probably just the main stream media trying to stir up trouble ... Ya Think?

-- Posted by gentle ben on Wed, Feb 27, 2013, at 9:25 AM

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013...

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/341...

-- Posted by gentle ben on Wed, Feb 27, 2013, at 10:17 AM

Also saw it on abc evening news and nbc evening news - but can't find the story on their web sites.

Sorry.

Again ... it doesn't matter. Whoever the "puppeteers" want in the White House (and other leadership positions) will be there. You can see that playing out at the Vatican.

(Sorry newsacross - unless the puppet masters choose you - you're not gonna make it. I would have loved that - maybe I could have gotten a gig remodeling the Pope Mobile - you know - make it look more like the front end of an attack helicopter.)

-- Posted by gentle ben on Wed, Feb 27, 2013, at 10:29 AM

Nearly one hundred and twenty seven million votes cast, and voter fraud alarmists can't stop talking about one woman who claims to have voted multiple times, and a handful of others who may have done the same. Is that rational grounds to change our election laws? Are there not real problems that should be the focus of legislation in our do nothing legislative branch, and those of the several states? Either such folks have lost their minds, or are engaging in a more nefarious purpose.

Why would anyone be wasting resources on this, calling it a problem? Good grief!

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Wed, Feb 27, 2013, at 10:32 AM

I didn't say we need to change laws ... I just spoke to the idea that there is no voter fraud in America ... One woman does not a conspiracy make ... However, I am sure many of the votes on both sides of the election came from unlawful or fraudulent sources.

Dems or Reps - doesn't matter.

Marionettes dance to the whims of their masters as long as the strings are securely in place.

-- Posted by gentle ben on Wed, Feb 27, 2013, at 11:02 AM

Nana -

Do I know you???

You sound like several folks I may be acquainted with.

I agree with you about the pols - not just the reps - taking public money, etc.

-- Posted by gentle ben on Wed, Feb 27, 2013, at 1:21 PM

Thank you Dean for working on this issue! Producing an I.D. is such a simple thing--we show it to drive, to write a check, to get government benefits, to register to run for office, to purchase a firearm, to buy an alcoholic drink at a restaurant and we're not infringing on anyone's right to do those things....the difference is when you vote without producing I.D. there's a very real chance someone who isn't legally illegible cast a vote will do so and water down mine and everyone else who follows the rules------The only reason to oppose voter I.D. is to allow fraudulent voting.

-- Posted by Fair enough on Mon, Mar 4, 2013, at 8:58 PM

And pigs fly. Fair enough?

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Mar 5, 2013, at 12:01 AM


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Rep. Dean Dohrman, a Republican, represents Johnson, Pettis, and Saline counties (District 51). He was elected to his first two-year term in November 2012. In addition to his legislative duties, Rep. Dohrman is an online professor. Rep. Dohrman is a member of Warrensburg and Sedalia Area Chamber of Commerce, and Sedalia Lions Club. He attends Wesley United Methodist Church. A graduate of LaMonte High, Rep. Dohrman earned his PhD from the University of Missouri-Kansas City in 2004. Born in Warrensburg, Rep. Dohrman currently lives in LaMonte.
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