Arizona tragedy: Is the world responsible for Loughner's actions?

Posted Wednesday, January 12, 2011, at 1:07 PM
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  • You're right on the money, Sarah. The deliberate closing of mental health facilities throughout the U.S. is what's responsible for the recent shooting and many other unprovoked attacks in recent years. It's a terrible problem and it's been out there for years, with no one on either side of the political debate willing to take up the cause. Attacks like these won't stop or even let up a little bit until that issue is addressed.

    -- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Wed, Jan 12, 2011, at 1:08 PM
  • Good article...

    I find a certain irony in the fact that people are trying to blame the right wing rhetoric for this shooting, even with evidence that does not support this claim. BUT if we are to take this arguement then we have to also accept that media outlets and personalities on TV are capable of affecting a young person and influence them into bad and even horrible actions.

    The irony lies in the fact that the people behind the accusations of the right wing rhetoric causing this tragedy will be the first and the loudest to deny that TV shows, Movies, Video Games, or commercials and the lifetyles of actors and sports stars and the behaviors of reality "stars" have any affect on the lives of our young people at all and therefore they refuse to demand the same "free speech stifling" laws and rules and regs that the knee jerk Democrats are putting out while taking advantage of this horrible event.

    We cannot have it both ways, either all sides of political rhetoric affects our young equally, along with all types of media and celebrity shows or NONE of it affects our young

    More to the point, though mental health seems to be one of the first areas that states and federal governments target to make cuts when times are tough....and mentally ill are more likely to be unable to care or provide for their selves than people who are simply living on welfare and other entitlements with no physical disabilities

    -- Posted by mrxray on Wed, Jan 12, 2011, at 7:34 PM
  • Sometimes people are just crazy and do crazy things. It really doesn't need to be anymore complicated than that. Rheteric, tv shows, music or anything people use an excuse is just that, an excuse. What it boils down to is the kid (and all those other people in the shootings) were just plain crazy! 300 million people in this country listen to the same rheteric and tv shows and they don't kill anyone so blaming that stuff if just a way for people to ignore the simple fact that some people are just plain nuts and do nuts things. When they do you stick them in jail & throw away the key or you fry them.

    -- Posted by oldschool17 on Thu, Jan 13, 2011, at 8:22 AM
  • oldschool17, the point is, if the signs of mental illness are addressed & treated, some of these things may be avoided. Our federal & state governments need to step up & acknowledge that cutting funds to mental health may very well be part of the problem. People don't choose mental illness any more than they choose medical illness. Not all, but many people with mental illness can be productive members of society with the correct medications & support services. Unfortunately most of these medications are expensive & support services (in this county anyway) are almost nonexistant.

    While I'm extremely saddened that this happened in Arizona, my hope is that it can serve to open discussions about mental illness. The only thing to be afraid of is the person with a mental illness that isn't being treated.

    -- Posted by tcn on Fri, Jan 14, 2011, at 9:59 AM
  • Ms. Reed, GOOD CALL!

    -- Posted by BigFatGuy on Fri, Jan 14, 2011, at 2:14 PM
  • Good article but it ticks me off when a person or persons can kill in the name of mental health. the man in 1889 killed not because of whiskey or who sold him the gun or gave to him. guns don't kill, man does, whiskey just gave this idiot in 1889 the stupid courage to do what he planned when sober.

    The shooting in Arizona is as the list you gave just plain stupid, young people wasting their life away because someone thought it a good idea. the idiot in arizonia wanted attention, he has got it. No mental health problem just plain stupid. Arizona is treated like old west, where go for Arizona take the ******* out and hang him.

    -- Posted by yank on Fri, Jan 14, 2011, at 4:21 PM
  • It is easy to try to blame the government in regards to mental health problems. But no matter the program or rules or whatever, you STILL have to identify those with the mental problems that require treatment while at the same time not taking away their human rights. It is a tough thing. and much more complicated than simply saying we need more laws or more funding.

    oldschool17: Great way to state what is not obvious to those like the sheriff in Pima county that WANTED it to be some right wing fanatic..

    -- Posted by mrxray on Sat, Jan 15, 2011, at 12:39 AM
  • I've observed a couple of surprising things in all of the discussions about the Tucson shooter. No one has said much about the impact of both illegal and presciption drugs on teens in this country. And no one has mentioned the fact that the shooter obviously had a death wish... was saying goodbye to friends. Two things our community needs to do (without waiting for years for the feds to figure it out), are: 1)Institute required random drug testing in our schools. 2)Provide appropriate services for 'at risk' students. If we can minimize drug use by students while they are still in school, and help troubled students find a place in society by giving them the attention they need we may be able to save lives in the future.

    -- Posted by Colorado cowboy on Sat, Jan 15, 2011, at 11:10 AM
  • the institution of mandatory drug screening in public schools would be a gross intrusion in to the private lives of our population.

    would it work? yes! would it add to the list of civil rights that have been stripped from us over the last 25 years? yes!

    I am on board with the extended services and better care for those of us who need or think the need extra mental health care. but nobody is testing my kids pee at school. not while I can still stand up and read the bill of rights aloud. you know that part about illegal search and seizure?

    maybe saving lives of some doesnt justify definitly violating the civil rights of many. EVER!

    -- Posted by BigFatGuy on Wed, Jan 26, 2011, at 12:11 PM
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