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Prebate to End Poverty?
Posted Friday, July 24, 2009, at 1:13 PM<< Previous | Read comments | Respond | Email link
This second part concentrates on what is called the "FairTax Prebate." The gist of the Prebate is a monthly tax rebate on expenses up to the set poverty line, which ultimately means no one will pay taxes on the essential costs of living. That makes sense to me. The Prebate is a highly progressive step toward easing the burden of poverty in the United States of America.
Some have criticized the Prebate because in its barest form it is basically a redistribution of wealth plan. But it's a little more complicated than that. First of all, every American receives a Prebate, but percentage-wise poorer people receive a larger amount. Here's how the Prebate works (get out the calculator, because there are a lot of numbers in this post): First, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services sets the poverty line. According to Federal Register, Vol. 74, No. 14, January 23, 2009, pp. 4199--4201, the poverty line in 2009 for a single person in the 48-state conglomeration is $10,830 yearly, or about $903 per month. What that means is a single individual could conceivably live with the very stark basics if he/she made $10,830 a year, or $903 a month. The person would end up spending every penny just to live, but that's the ugly truth of poverty. Enter the FairTax. Or more precisely the FairTax Prebate. After HHS sets the poverty line -- in this case we'll use the level for an unmarried person -- said person spends his/her $903 a month on the bare fundamentals of living each month, taxed at the national 23% rate, totaling $208 in taxes; because the bare essentials are not taxed under the FairTax, the U.S. Government sends a Prebate check for $208 to the individual, effectively canceling out the taxes on the purchase of the necessities bought that month and leaving the formerly broke individual with $208 a month, or $2,496 each year, to save or spend as he/she decides is best. Good bye, poverty! Well, not entirely, of course, but it's a huge step in the right direction. (The reason it's called a "Prebate" is because the tax rebate is actually sent one month in advance, based on HHS's calculations. A "pre-monthly rebate." In my examples it sounds like the Prebate check is sent at the end of the month, but that is just to make it easier to understand. The Prebate will actually be sent at the beginning of each month, or else at the end of one month to compensate for the expenses of the following month.) The person in this hypothesis needn't make all his/her purchases for the month in one lump, as HHS has already calculated how much he/she will spend. Barring gross errors on HHS's part, or complete negligence on the part of the person in question, the Prebate will put money directly in the pockets of the American people. Here's where people get confused -- every American citizen receives the Prebate, despite the amount of money he/she makes. At first glance it doesn't sound "fair" that Bill Gates gets the same $208 tax Prebate each month as a homeless man barely hanging on to his job. But look at it a little closer. Would it be fair to give $208 back to an individual who makes $903 per month, but not to an individual who makes $904 per month? Um, I don't think so. $208 is the amount a single American citizen would pay in taxes every month on his/her necessities. Every single American. Or, every single "single" American, as in unmarried, in this instance. Therefore, to be fair, the government would have to give every unmarried American the same tax Prebate. Even Bill Gates purchases food and the like, the bare necessities, but he and other rich people buy so much more on top of that. So under a "fair tax" system, even the rich get taxes back on the bare necessities, but not, of course, on the innumerable luxuries Gates blows money on every month. (Besides, $208 is like 0.000000000000000000000000000000000001% of Gates' income anyway, so it isn't like he'll be jumping up and down because he's getting one over on the rest of us Americans. That's in comparison to the other end of the spectrum, when the impoverished would receive a whopping 23% or more of their income back from the government. Not a bad deal, really.) As another example, let's insert a well-off middle-class individual into the Prebate equation. Let's say an individual who makes $50,000 per year, or about $4,167 per month. Said person will still spend $903 per month on essentials, but on top of that a guesstimated $3,000 in miscellaneous spending, bringing hypothetical monthly expenses to $3,903. Once that is spent, 23% or $898 is sent to the government as taxes. $208 is given back to this unmarried humanoid as a Prebate, which means this person has actually paid $690 in taxes, and only on nonessentials. In other words, the $50,000 per year person gets about 5% of his/her income back in this example. And still keep in mind the 23% of total income an individual at the poverty line will received in Prebate money. What about a family of five (two parents, three kids) living on $40,000 a year, or $3,334 a month? Money would probably be somewhat tight, considering HHS calculates a family of five must bring in at least $25,790 a year, or $2,150 per month, to live at bare minimum. Let's say this family spends about $3,100 each month, $713 of which is taxes, and leaving $234. Then, along comes the Prebate, which for this family is $494.50. The family now has $728.50 in spending money each month, or $8,742 per year. They have effectively paid $218.50 in taxes, and received $5,932 or 14.83% of total income back in Prebate money. All said and done, this process is quite simple and it is fair. Now, some might wonder, "If we're giving back taxes for buying things like bread, milk, etc., why don't we just not tax the bread, milk, etc., in the first place?" A logical question, and there is a logical answer: If you allow certain things to go untaxed, there is nothing really to prevent lobbyists from whispering in politicians' ears that the product they represent should not be taxed, either, and that is something the FairTax prevents. In addition, if bread, milk, etc., were not taxed, a single person could conceivably live on that and spend infinitely over the $903 amount without paying a single cent in taxes. And another thing, if bread, milk, etc., were not taxed because they are necessities, what's to stop an unscrupulous governmental body from proclaiming, say, petroleum, as a "necessity," since most Americans have automobiles that require gas and oil to function. At first it might sound like a good idea, not one American citizen having to pay taxes for gas and oil, but remember the government has to get money somewhere. Ultimately, taxes on other items would go up to compensate, leaving We the People paying the same we were, but lopsidedly giving certain businesses a break and not others. Again, the FairTax plan as it is prevents that from ever happening, and FairTax proponents want to make sure government has no power to show favoritism to any company over another in any way. It keeps it simple. And simplicity is something I think we desperately need in American politics these days. The FairTax is simple enough a person could spend a couple of hours looking into his/her total expenses (once the FairTax is implemented) and calculate exactly how much is taxes to the government. It's visible, transparent, and unalterable by politicians -- only by We the People -- all in all a "fair" tax system. There is but one catch to the Prebate system (you may be thinking, "I knew it!"), and that is the fact every humanoid or humanoid-type family will have to register to receive the Prebate. It'll be a simple task, and one of the only requirements is United States citizenship. It might sound discriminatory against all the "undocumented workers," but this is an American tax system and if people want to benefit from America they ought to become American citizens. In fact, it encourages citizenship. Under the current income tax system, there is almost more benefit for non-citizens working in the U.S. to stay non-citizens and not report their income to try to avoid taxes. Under the FairTax, specifically the Prebate, there will be more incentive to become an American citizen and receive the Prebate than to try and avoid taxes, which will be increasingly difficult under the FairTax. Prebate registration is simply meant as an assurance the U.S. Government is not paying back tax money to people who do not meet the requirements to deserve it. And to end off, I will note that the Prebate is essentially a replacement of current tax refunds as well. There will be no "tax deductions" like we currently have, and I can defiantly see some people being opposed to that. But, if you do the math, it is likely the Prebate, coupled with the full FairTax plan, will put additional money in most everybody's pockets. And I can guarantee it will tremendously help lower income and impoverished families and individuals. Comments Showing comments in chronological order [Show most recent comments first] |
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Even on an income of $50,000, an estimated $3,000 on "miscellaneous" spending per month is quite a stretch. What do you consider to be in that category?
Easing the burden of poverty, but not eliminating it. Why not worry more about social change that means something more than a different tax? Just a thought...
What do you have against Bill Gates? What "innumerable luxuries" has he "blown his money on" this month? These seem like inappropriate, distracting and personal statements that don't fit an otherwise well-constructed article.
Also, regarding the ability of an individual to conceivably live off of milk and bread only and never pay the tax if they were un-taxed items: why is this important? The FairTax seems to want to regard personal, free choices of purchases as an opportunity to tax an individual; we would be 'punished' for buying luxuries. Why (emphasis on why) would it be wrong to tax a person who sacrifices the freedom of choice to avoid a tax? Doesn't that imply some kind of requirement to pay a tax to society - as in everyone is responsible for paying except the indigent?
Here's a couple questions:
Would there still be a social security tax?
Will the higher cost of living in different areas remain unaddressed?
Will you concede that there is no way of proving a price drop due to tax law changes? (usually tax breaks are used by companies to gain extra profit for reinvestment into the company i.e. expansion plans).
kevinozkal, first, I have absolutely nothing against Bill Gates (in fact, I think he's great: his company gave me the Xbox 360!). But the fact is, according to Forbes.com, Gates is the richest man alive. Have you read about the "innumerable luxuries" implemented just into his house? I do not begrudge him that, because his money is his money to spend as he wishes.
But looking at it from the perspective of a person who has to spend quite near every penny just to survive, it would seem like he does spend a lot on unnecessary stuff. Some people would have a problem with giving the richest man alive a Prebate meant to help out the impoverished, so I merely point out he probably won't even notice it.
And I think you misunderstand the part about whether or not to tax necessities at all. The FairTax researchers decided it would be better to tax all products evenly, as opposed to not taxing "necessities" and seemingly punishing those who do purchase "luxuries." The way it is designed, anything you purchase will be taxed evenly and therefore no one will be "punished" for anything they buy, luxury or not. You said, "The FairTax seems to want to regard personal, free choices of purchases as an opportunity to tax an individual; we would be 'punished' for buying luxuries." This is the very opposite of the actual FairTax and is what the FairTax seeks to avoid.
Then you say, "Doesn't that imply some kind of requirement to pay a tax to society - as in everyone is responsible for paying except the indigent?"
I do believe if a person lives in America he/she should have to pay his/her ever-elusive "fair share." The FairTax effectively reorganizes the tax system so that the tax on whatever a person spends is his/her "fair share," not how hard a person works, which tax bracket he/she is in, etc., etc.
Most of the indigent will actually pay taxes eventually because, as I said, Prebate money can be "save(d) or spen(t) as he/she decides is best." But no matter when it is spent, the purchases will be taxed as usual, with no Prebate to compensate.
As to Social Security tax: Social Security will remain intact, but there will not be a Social Security tax because the money for Social Security will be collected as part of the in the 23% sales tax.
Now, is there really any way to address the higher and lower costs of living in different areas? In comparison to the amount of money spent, there is no difference in taxes: the federal tax rate will be 23% everywhere, despite what the cost of living is. Basically the same as federal minimum wage, actually.
And yes, I will concede there is no way to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt there will be a price drop. But, reversely, there is actually no way you can prove there will not be a price drop, either. We will have to see how the market works it all out; a market that will, by the way, be much more a "free market" than we have now.
To your thought about social change, I agree with Benjamin Franklin: "I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. ... The more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer."
This is why I personally would replace the welfare system with the benefits of the Prebate, which is directed at every American, not just those who qualify as impoverished. Just think about that for a minute or two.
Ah, Bill Gates, how fun to poke at! Yes, the 360 is a blessing.
How will the market be any freer than it is now?
Replacing the welfare system with the Prebates associated with the FairTax does not, in my mind, come to any meaningful conclusion. Instead of focusing funds on those who need it, we will instead distribute freely? That seems counter-productive. Also, the Prebate now seems like a way of telling everyone, "Okay, you going to pay this, here's some back beforehand." How is that not like robbing Peter to pay Paul?
I understand the intent of the FairTax, and do not disagree that it is a noble cause, and you make a lot of good points. But, I don't find most of the points to be 1)valid or 2)valuable.
But, right at the moment, it comes down to your explanation of a fair share. What is it specifically that makes how much a person spends a logical approach to taxation? Try to explain solely on the merits of the FairTax alone without any comparison to current or past tax systems. Fairness should be absolute and not by comparison.
I also look forward to future posts of what you feel is wrong with the welfare system - I have a hunch we may be of the same mind.
If you are going to trash Bill Gates for "innumerable luxuries," you might more fairly balance your comments by listing charitable giving as one of his accomplishments, in addition to giving you the Xbox (and isn't that a luxury you really don't need?). He has given millions upon millions of dollars to fund programs devoted to stamping out AIDS, malaria and polio, among other things. It's not a small amount and apparently is not driven by a need to shelter his income from taxation. In this regard, he is light-years ahead of many of his fellow billionaires, including Warren Buffett.
http://www.aliveandwell.org/html/the_big...
"The most recent data available showed that hundreds of Gates Foundation investments -- totaling at least $8.7 billion, or 41 percent of its assets, not including U.S. and foreign government securities -- have been in companies that countered the foundation's charitable goals or socially concerned philosophy.
This is "the dirty secret" of many large philanthropies, said Paul Hawken, an expert on socially beneficial investing who directs the Natural Capital Institute, an investment-research group. "Foundations donate to groups trying to heal the future," Hawken said in an interview, "but with their investments, they steal from the future."
Bill Gates, is so gifted that he was allowed to steal pattents from other programers in order to create microsoft. His father was head of Planned Parenthood. http://www.blackgenocide.org/sanger.html
Kathy, I definitely consider my Xbox 360 a luxury, and one I would have no problem paying tax on. And I'm not saying Bill Gates is a bad guy in any respect, I don't know the man. There is no "trashing" going on here, at least not intentionally. And, yes, he probably is a much more charitable person than a lot of people give him credit. That's not the issue. The issue is that some people might not see it as being fair that highly rich people, with Bill Gates as merely an example, would receive the same Prebate as an impoverish individual. My point was to say percentage-wise poorer people would be helped by the Prebate much more than richer people, personal matters aside.
kevinozkal, you said, "Also, the Prebate now seems like a way of telling everyone, 'Okay, you going to pay this, here's some back beforehand.' How is that not like robbing Peter to pay Paul?"
First of all, many tax refunds work basically the same way, as I understand it. Only the money is sent to you afterward instead of before. Kind of like telling everyone, "Okay, you're going to pay this, then we'll give you some back." I don't see how switching it around does anything.
And how is it different from robbing Peter to pay Paul? (Here I go again with the examples!) Let's say Peter is wealthier than Paul, and that because of his extra money he also spends more. Call it "luxury" spending if you want, but the fact remains. Let's also say Peter and Paul are both single, for the ease of this example. Because Pete spends more than Paul, more tax money is collected from him than from Paul. The amounts are equal in terms of percentages of spending (both at 23%, remember). Then they both receive a Prebate check for an equal amount of money based on HHS's calculation of the poverty line for a single person. Percentage-wise, Paul got more out of the Prebate than Peter. (I know it's a bit confusing that we switch from 'equal percentages and unequal money' to 'unequal percentages and equal money,' but bear with me.)
At first glance, it seems like Pete was "punished" for spending more than Paul. And maybe no matter what I say some people will still see it that way. But the Prebate was designed to aid the middle and lower classes, those with larger families, etc., who will, according to some, be hit harder by a sales tax. The fact is, Peter doesn't need the Prebate as much as Paul, but to be fair (a word that can have a rather liquid interpretation) both men were given the same amount of money as a Prebate. But, as it was intended, the man who needed it more received more relative aid than the man who already had some extra money. In essence, funds are comparatively focused to those who need them and not so much to those who don't.
I hope my points are valid enough.
It is very, very difficult to pinpoint how a "fair share" should be calculated. And I don't have space to answer all your questions in one post, but I will put my view in writing, eventually. I'm not trying to avoid the question by any means, but I have the bad habit of writing really long responses.
TC: Gates, Sr., was on the board of Planned Parenthood, not the head of it. If you're going to post, could you at least get your facts straight? We'd all be ever so grateful.
Duly noted, Jacob.
I'm looking more forward to how fairness is arrived at than the numbers themselves. The former amendment allowing slaves to be counted as 3/5ths of a person are proof enought that numbers never relate what is right versus wrong.