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Illegal Immigration

Posted Monday, July 27, 2009, at 9:56 PM

What did Hoover, Truman, and Eisenhower have in common?

Ask any person who is out of work or working for poverty wages how they feel about illegal immigrants working in the United States and you won't be able to print some of the answers.

The problem with illegal immigration is not new. The problem had to be addressed by President Hoover, President Truman and President Eisenhower.

Back during The Great Depression, President Herbert Hoover ordered the deportation of ALL illegal aliens in order to make jobs available to American citizens that desperately needed work.

Harry Truman deported over two million Illegal's after WWII to create jobs for returning veterans.

And then again in 1954, President Dwight Eisenhower deported 13 million Mexican Nationals! The program was called 'Operation Wetback'. It was done so WWII and Korean Veterans would have a better chance at jobs. It took 2 Years, but they deported them!

Now...My question is,,,if they could deport the illegal's immigrants back then - why can't they deport illegal immigrants today and make more room form American Citizens to be able to secure employment. Major corporations lobby to keep the illegal immigrant labor force so they can hold down labor cost and so they can exploit both the immigrants and the American labor force. Big business today looks at production labor as an expense and as such something to be eliminated. With twelve cents an hour labor available in China, why should they keep America workers and not exploit that market all in the search for more profits?

It doesn't matter if the President is a Democrat ( Truman ) or a Republican ( Eisenhower). All that matters is if the President has the guts to serve the American taxpaying citizen there could be some actions to protect American jobs.

For further information I will refer you to this website.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0706/p09s0...

I'm John Q. What do you think?


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"All that matters is if the President has the guts to serve the American taxpaying citizen there could be some actions to protect American jobs."

Jobs?... we don't need no steenkin jobs..

I remember our new 8th grade teacher telling us forty some years ago that the economy would transition to a new system where we would not be working 40 and 50 hour weeks anymore.. I didn't understand how that was going to work out but by golly he was right about Americans not having 9 to 5 jobs 40 years down the road.. The problem is he spun it as utopian when it actually turns out to just be a race to the bottom. We have been deindustrialized.. I didn't buy into his utopian spin back then and regretfully, I was right.

People should remember, it was the first black president Bill Clinton that sold our jobs out to Wall Street with the NAFTA Treaty. He picked up where George Bush had failed. NAFTA was a republican legislation and democrats, the working man's party, were against it. Good ol' boy Clinton came along and got the job done for Wall Street.. Clinton told congress, "the store is open" boys, pork all around! Wall Street used your tax dollars to deindustrialize your country.

At least one sold out cheap.. who was that Chicago democrat that sold out for a picture with the prez? He later went to jail for taking advantage of an underage page leaving a vacancy for other upcoming Chicago politicians.. it never ends..

-- Posted by Third Child on Mon, Jul 27, 2009, at 11:24 PM

NanaDot,I remember that speech by Eisenhower. In his farewell address he warned his successor and the people about the consequences of allowing that to happen.

Whenever there is real trouble anywhere the world you can always count on the MCIC and their lobbyists and paid for elected representatives to push American towards war and profits.

-- Posted by John Q. on Mon, Jul 27, 2009, at 11:25 PM

**** corporatists! I pretty much agree with what Nana Dot says.

Yours too Third Child, but please for once why don't you stop personalizing the issue, putting the blame on this individual or that one. Don't you know that it is a heck of a lot bigger than any one individual?

The real problem is the complacency of the American people. As the Pogo poster said back in my salad days, "We have met the enemy, and it is us".

We malign the French in our doltishness, largely because they were lucid enough to see that the Iraq War was at best a pig in a poke, a can of worms,or a can of something else too scatological to describe on this blog. We laughed, and called them cowards. How stupid of us.

The clarity of their thinking exceeds ours. They at least know what the issues are, and which are worth fighting for. If what has been done to the American worker, had been done to the French worker they would have shut down Paris in a heart beat, and brought the nation to its knees.

We get crapped on time, and time again by the corporatists. We meekly say o.k. and parrot the things they have taught us to say, such things as "in essence good health care equals socialism so we don't want it. We would rather have bad health care,and assure that a few capitalist pigs get rich." No, we don't say it in exactly those words, but that is what is meant by the words put in our mouths. Then we express thanks for the ever smaller cracker that we are given.

John Q. I am a bit troubled by your mass deportation of twelve million, which if the truth were known may amount to fifteen million or more. It is sort of like pouring water in a sieve to carry it. I guess the good thing is that it would sure create a lot of jobs to just round them up, hold them, and then carry them across the border, leaving them back on their launching pad. To keep them from springing right back like a yo yo on a string there would need to be a bunch of border watchers, so of course, more jobs. That might work for a while, but it is unproductive labor over the long haul, which makes it fatally flawed.

The better way to cause a mass exit of illegals is to nail those that hire them hard, I mean really hard, huge fines, and detention for executives of the companies that hire them. They would be gone or starved to death in six months.

Regretably nothing is going to be done, because the corporatists don't want it done, and we don't have the savvy, and guts to make them do it.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Jul 28, 2009, at 1:03 AM

My personal view on this subject is this. If I were in charge of a big corp. why not bring the illeagals up here to work. This is gonna **** alot of people off but the hard cold truth of the matter is most not all but most people of 10yrs.old to 25 or 30 NOT ACTUAL STATISTICS just my personal observations don't want to work, and I mean really work. they think the world owes them somthing for nothing. Iwas raised by my grand parents(deceased 20 and 24yrs. ago),they brought me up with the attitude that if a man is willing to pay you 5.00 an hour you give him 10.00 an hour worth the work. we just don't have those ethics any more and that's sad if you ask me. Most eveyone wants somthin for nothin.

-- Posted by midniterebel on Tue, Jul 28, 2009, at 7:02 AM

Amen midniterebel! I am 32 but I was raised in the same manor and I too have noticed the terrible work ethics of our American Citizens, I too would like to see the illegals deported but I would also like to see the American Citizens take advantage of the job openings! All the different programs that have been created to help those that are disabled, unemployed, or running on hard luck have come back to bite us on the a$$, there are a ton of lazy people out there who have managed to figure out a way to work the system so they can sit at home on the dollar that us ,the working class work so hard for, it angers me every time I'm in Wal-Mart and someone in front of me in the checkout lane with their food stamp card is covered in jewelry, just had their nails done while wearing the latest and greatest clothing from the local "Stage" while purchasing steaks for their supper and I am standing behind them with a shirt off of the clearance rack for one of my kids. My husband and I work hard for what we have, we don't need the high dollar clothes, etc., but it still makes me angry to see someone else living so high on the hog off my hard work.

-- Posted by MBGAL on Tue, Jul 28, 2009, at 10:14 AM

OKR, You should practice what you preach. You wrote:

"please for once why don't you stop personalizing the issue, putting the blame on this individual or that one."

Bill Clinton committed economic treason when he rammed NAFTA down our throats. Ross Perot was right.

"We malign the French in our doltishness, largely because they were lucid enough to see that the Iraq War was at best a pig in a poke, a can of worms,or a can of something else too scatological to describe on this blog. We laughed, and called them cowards. How stupid of us."

Thank you for finally admitting it.

You write:

"The real problem is the complacency of the American people."

Then you write:

"Regretably nothing is going to be done, because the corporatists don't want it done, and we don't have the savvy, and guts to make them do it."

This is slave mentality.. you have already given up. What's more, you are spreading the infection. Instead of waving the white flag to the cut throats that are destroying this country why don't you write and speak truth to power instead?

-- Posted by Third Child on Tue, Jul 28, 2009, at 11:25 AM

Third Child there you go again..."finally admit that the war was a mistake." I will match my pre Iraq war comments, and actions against yours any day. You speak from ignorance so often, and hatefully that frankly you just turn everyone off. Get a grip.

And all that attack after I commented favorably in response to your posting! You are thankfully one of a kind.

Now, I'll have nothing else to say to you. I will not participate in your specialty on these blogs which is to isolate one commenter on a particular blog topic, and disrespectfully berate them, and their opinions. Is your goal to obsfucate discussion with your side rants.

I respect, and honor your right to post on these blogs. That doesn't stop me from wishing that you would take your churlishness, and just go away.

Good bye again.

-- Posted by Oklahoma Reader on Tue, Jul 28, 2009, at 12:44 PM

Quitter..

-- Posted by Third Child on Tue, Jul 28, 2009, at 2:29 PM

I have been much kinder than many people here, including Okie Reader. I won't go to the trouble to search back to show you old proof but the exchange in this thread alone shows that Okie's comments are much more junkyard doggy than mine. I believe you should document specific transgressions before making arguments of "enough" or censure of anyone..

-- Posted by Third Child on Tue, Jul 28, 2009, at 3:25 PM

The offensively named "Operation Wetback" had considerably fewer victims than you suggest, according to this information from pbs.org:

http://www.pbs.org/kpbs/theborder/histor...

-- Posted by Kathy Fairchild on Wed, Jul 29, 2009, at 6:37 AM

NanaDot, on your food for thought link-some of that data seems to be slightly tilted. The one item that says that of immigrant households only 1% of them receive federal aid compared to 5% of American households. If you compare statistics 1% of twenty million is greater than 5% of over two hundred million in that category (I think). There is ten times the number of American households than there are illegal immigrants.

I'm hungry, gotta go.

-- Posted by John Q. on Wed, Jul 29, 2009, at 8:57 PM

"I will match my pre Iraq war comments, and actions against yours any day."

I sincerely doubt this claim, Okie, but then I don't agree with much of anything you wrote in that message. You attack me and accuse me of attacking you! Nice use of emotional 'trigger' words though. Nana Dot seems to have taken the bait.. I hope others are more discerning in their analysis.

-- Posted by Third Child on Thu, Jul 30, 2009, at 10:23 AM

There was a time when the food industry had strong unions and high enough wages so workers were a part of the middle class. When the unions were weakened and wages were forced lower by competition, especially from union busting non union manufacturers, the middle class folks were unwilling to work for the lower wages. Thus began the massive influx of undocumented workers hungry to work to provide for their families. The food industry had little choice but to hire those that would accept the new wages, and got a bonus besides because the new workers had a work ethic that was keeping a full work force at work every day.

-- Posted by izaak on Fri, Jul 31, 2009, at 1:24 PM

NanaDot you should really come to work with me one nite to see all the people that are using the system to stay high or drunk istead of trying to be productive to socity. I really don't know what kind of dream world you live in and I really don't to sound disrespectful but you need to wake up and see the real world. Please don't bother with any kind of statistics because as a joke goes I heard one time 96% of statistics are made up on the spot. All I know is what I see on a daily basis. One person I know 21yrs. old went to job corps for an education, all he does is litteraly get high and drunk every night,because his words it's more fun f@#k work that's what the welfare system is for, or how bout the 27yr. old mother of 3 getting ready to have another one all by seperate fathers so she can get more child support. These are the attitudes people have nowdays they are just to lazy to work. Just for referance my grandfather was 62 when he died in sept of 92,my grandmother was 65 when she left this screwed up world in 87, I really don't see how that is relative to how I was brought up or the people now days. I really don't know who place the blame on parents or goverment. Parents are afrid to disapline their childern for fear the goverment will put the parents in jail, so now we have a scoity of spoiled little dopers and drunks that feel they should have eveything hand to them. the corperations exploit that by bring up the illeagal ailens to work for less. So no I have not been as you say brainwashed you my friend need to open your eyes to the reality that is right in front of you face and point the finger where it needs to be pointed. I love my country but our goverment needs a good ol fasion ennema.

-- Posted by midniterebel on Sun, Aug 2, 2009, at 7:27 AM

Third Child. Your perception of NAFTA is a bit off base. NAFTA was a creation of the H. W. Bush administration. When Clinton came into office he inherited NAFTA and a Republican controlled House and Senate. Clinton tried to find the good things in NAFTA because it was apparent that he didn't have the votes in Congress to stop an override of a presidential veto. Had the Republican controlled Congress been forced to override his desired veto it probably would have crippled his administration for the next four years. As it was when Clinton left office we had a balanced budget and over a trillion dollars in surplus. Thanks to W my great grandchildren will still be shouldering the load.

-- Posted by John Q. on Mon, Aug 17, 2009, at 8:09 PM

Let's not forget the word "projected" in talking about the Clinton budget surplus. It's not like we had a trillion dollars locked away in Fort Knox that is now gone. Any time you still owe money, you don't have a surplus.

-- Posted by Hombre on Mon, Aug 24, 2009, at 12:24 PM

All of you talk as if you care but it seems you don't care enough to do anything positive. Do you write your state and federal senator and representative on a regular bases, so much that they know who you are? Do you tell them that they are employed by us at our pleasure instead of the other way around? Do you get involved in your local politics? By the way can you name your Federal and State congressmen? That might be the first thing to ask so you will know who you are going to write to. I do write to my congressmen regularly and I let them have it about the things they do and the double talk they send back to me. You do know that they are really afraid of us. We do have the power but we have never "learned" how to use it. Maybe it is time to make some real changes in who represents US and how they perform. The US Congress is so interested in protecting their own interests that we could catch them unaware, send them packing and then they would have to be just plain old ordinary people like us. Again I say - they are sent to Washington and Jefferson City to represent US and we should remind them of that every day with and e-mail or a postal letter. So pick up you pens and fire up you computer and get those letters and e-mails going and stop crying in your beer/wine about what is happening and be part of the solution.

I think the "Tea Party" might have some people in Washington worried already. It has been interesting to watch. I really haven't made up my mind about them yet.

-- Posted by walkingblind on Fri, Apr 16, 2010, at 9:39 PM


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